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This is a series of threads about fakebois and trans-identified females (TIFs).
"Fakebois" are girls who pretend to be boys, either by becoming trannies or larping biological males through the screen (classic move). Fakebois usually style and present themselves as androgynous or feminine-looking boys, or wearing girls' clothing and make-up while insisting on being addressed with he/him (or occasionally they/them) pronouns and take great offense at being gendered as female.
These threads are also now a catch-all for any minor TIF cows without threads of their own. Even "serious" troons, (like Kalvin Garrah and Ellen Page) are fair game, as are horrific troon surgeries and pregnancies. Just remember to spoiler that shit.
**TIFs, no one cares if you think you're ~more legit~ than the cows posted here.** Additionally, occasional discussion of fujoshis is fine, but don't sperg and infight about it.
Notable FtM-related subreddits:
https://www.reddit.com/r/FtM/https://www.reddit.com/r/FtM_irl/https://www.reddit.com/r/gaytransguyshttps://www.reddit.com/r/FTM_SELFIES/https://www.reddit.com/r/FTMfemininity/Old threads by order of recency:
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>>1897258Sad thing is that don't only love to claim Mulan is a FTM icon (when she never wanted to be a man in first place), they looooove to use Li Shang's interest in Mulan's "male" mode as "he is bisexual, hello??? Trans ally!!!", except Li Shang was about to kill Mulan and not because she wasn't a man, but because she is a woman in disguise, ignoring how Ancient China was quite misogynist.
Xiran is also guilty on that one, saying the "lolol emperors or higher rank loved men more than women" except they loved teens and women were "only for having kids", like in Ancient Greece.
I swear these "queer icons" love to ignore certain stuff in ancient civilization for their own gain.
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Much to unpack here.
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Just, why?
No. 1897554
>>1897541Honestly, I don't understand why some nonas are so surprised when women and girls who perform femininity attempt transition. It can be really hard putting in all that effort trying to look more like an inhuman doll and seeing other women look the same way or even "better" than you, but never seeing how much time, money, or stress they spend on it. It makes it seem like other women are effortlessly like that, and you're the only one who has to worry about "being ugly," which pretty much translates to "being a living human being who has things like body hair, skin texture, and the ability to feel pain or discomfort." Because of this, girls like this often get the sense that they've only been "performing" being a woman/girl in a way other girls aren't, and not even doing a very good job of it. They don't realize that it's just as forced and inauthentic when other people look like that, and that femininity is in of itself unnatural and borderline unattainable for everyone.
Personally, I don't find it much more surprising when this sort attempts transition than I do when girls who deliberately try to be completely "masculine" attempt transition, because both groups are blatantly trying to escape being the person they actually are through strict adherence to one gender role or the other, likely hoping it will protect them from at least some of the abuse they suffer as a result of misogyny.
No. 1897557
>>1897325I don't get how they can call that loophole "progressive" without looking the sad reality. Are they THAT desesperate to show "LgBt PEoplE ExisTED FRoM CenTUriES???"?.
>>1897461MTE Is like "you want to be recognized as man but only in the good way? I have some bad news".
>>1897460>>1897503I always thought Shang was happier to find an amazing fighter like Ping for his army than thinking "damn right, I'm bi now!", so that's why he was angry at the fact Ping was Mulan, because the skilled fighter that beat his arse most of the time was a woman! How weak he was to be beaten by a woman??.
So I never saw the "bi icon".
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>TIF poetry
No. 1897571
>>1897216And its sad that'd usually only happen in a fantasy, but instead of questioning that, these nlogs would rather go "well they won't hurt ME anyway cos I'm so special."
>>1897292If they really wanna stick to the mulan is trans thing, why don't they talk about how when she was "outed" they called her a treacherous snake and left her on a mountain to die. Such allies!
>>1897535And tbh if that's all it was I'd support her, but sadly the gender cult wants to rot the brain of even a slightly gnc leaning woman.
No. 1897595
>>1897570I think I'll start actually taking them up on their
trigger warnings and using them as an excuse to get out of having to experience their nonsense. Do you think she would have been offended if anyone had stood up and left?
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>>1897533Literally lilly-singh-player-her-dad-in-a-youtube-sketch quality facial hair
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A buffet of some milky TiF twitter threads for your perusal. The replies, RTs, and QRTs are full to bursting. This system of everyone engaging with each others posts is obviously the main thing keeping the delusion alive, cause if they're not like/respond/RTing each other they're announcing that their OF is now discounted. Happy hunting and gathering, nonas.
>TRANS TITTY APPRECIATION THREAD!!>DROP UR CHEST + UR PRONOUNS>rt so others can participate!!https://x.com/sevviesweets/status/1700841106907292128
>transmasc sex workers! quote retweet with a few of your favorite photos/videos!https://x.com/ttemptation/status/1659076681364111361
>queer swer / nsfw thread !! You know what to dohttps://x.com/sock696/status/1699861948282597601
>TBOYS!!! quote this with a slutty pic of yourselfhttps://x.com/charliepear45/status/1700254463884427444
>Rounds for the queer baddies out therehttps://x.com/ivylustful/status/1701007781804061057 No. 1897672
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>>1897639Nonna I love you but also hate you for exposing me to these Twitter threads…I've not even made it through the first one yet and it's a goldmine
No. 1897690
>>1897672>loli gendersounds like more of a TIM thing but extremely self-infantilising TIFs who grew up on the web could identify as that too
nvm i think it's a TIM, a TIF would actually try to diet to become the "loli" because women do have self-awareness, even the ones that troon out. they still have high ED rates
No. 1897813
>>1897761Don't waste your breath, I've been called a doomer in these threads for saying that 2050 is the earliest I can see modern trans shit truly start to die out. I get that no one sane wants to see the damage it will do if it
does last that long, but I can't see it going away nearly as suddenly as a lot of Nonas clearly hope it will. There's too much money and power behind it, since it's currently the hell-baby of several of the most profitable industries in the modern world (makeup, fast fashion, mass media, cosmetic surgery, social media, and porn, at the very least).
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>>1897813>I've been called a doomer in these threads for saying that 2050 is the earliest I can see modern trans shit truly start to die out. Say what you want, but "trans care" providers are already pulling back as more and more detrans people are speaking out and suing them for their gross malpractice and medical abuse. Washington University Transgender Center CHOSE to not provide this care for minors anymore even though they could, if they genuinely thought it helped troons and that detrans people are less than 1%, why would they be worried?
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they're "reclaiming" gendie now kek
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Yet another self-harmer:
https://archive.ph/txzNU No. 1898027
>>1897995I wish there was like a huge compilation of all of the flags that has ever existed, a collage of only the random ass flags they all have created, I would post it anywhere there are members of the cult and make all of them all identify the flags as a permanently online test.
Also, I swear I’ve seen that color scheme before, did they use all of the color schemes that have ever existed already? I hate how I just know that these flags were surely made by amateur graphic designers.
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>>1897995>"I'm not even mad lol call me whatever it doesn't matter because I totally don't care at all lmao"Do you have any other problem-solving skills you learned from Sally Face, Tiffany?
No. 1898144
>>1897813>>1898020AYRT. I do think the legal and medical landscape will readjust as seen in
>>1897975 but the "general public" genuinely dgaf. The people that gawk in horror today are the same that will gawk in horror 30 years from now. Journalists, lawyers, pediatricians who lean gender critical, or a bunch of nonnies like us. But, say, the accountant that does the TIF's taxes, or the hairstylist that does her hair, they don't care about her botched chest. It's a question of how sensitive you are to this kind of shit, and most people aren't at all. Some people say that troonery will be one day seen on par with lobotomies. But troonery was invented before lobomoties and is still around kek I see grandparents watch as their grandkids are transed before puberty. Some people genuinely believe that some little boys are better off as "girls" (and viceversa), and some people simply don't care what happens to other people. I mean, I don't care either, I just find troons annoying
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Ah, the crème de la crème.
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>>1893052reminded me of this gem.
No. 1898731
>>1898708I have short hair and I am a lesbian the times I've been called a tif or nonbinary is unreal its more harder for butchs too. its gotten so tiresome to date real
women too since most that I meet are either non binary(which I've dated some although the gendie shit was too much) or moids. The best thing you can do is to filter them out and find the few normal ones. They bark its more liberating but its gotten harder being a woman who like Women without declaring your self either male or non binary
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This is so utterly pathetic that its not even funny, like you can tell this one is a fujotroon.
No. 1898757
>>1898745So if you're by your own definition "fem brained" then where is the belief that you're male coming from? It's not your fem-brain kek. They've gotten so far off track with what the original trans movement claimed to be "My whole life I felt like the opposite gender with my whole soul and I just want to live my truth!!!" that they don't realize how ridiculously dumb they sound trying to describe why their
totes trans guyz.
No. 1898808
>>1898708In the place I live being trans isn't well known and there are many women with short hair or men with long hair. All the TIFs I've seen I can count in one finger and they all had unusually dyed hair and/or piercings.
>>1898745This is sad. Imagine if this was rephrased as "I'm ugly, I need to change my appearance so other people will accept me" or something similar. I bet people would have a different reaction to the post then. Just be yourself, who cares if some random person sees you as a woman? Giving up your personality is depressing
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This woman sent full-body female nudes to a (probably gay) man expecting that they'd actually see her clit as a penis and be impressed (also the entire comment thread is just lesbians saying they'd want to suck her clit and don't know what that guy was thinking). Literally what is the difference between her and any other woman who had a double masectomy? She doesn't even have a treasure trail worth of hair on her body
and her hips and thighs look nicehttps://www.reddit.com/r/FtMPorn/comments/16j19a6/a_guy_said_ew_when_i_sent_him_these_pics_after/https://web.archive.org/save/https://www.reddit.com/r/FtMPorn/comments/16j19a6/a_guy_said_ew_when_i_sent_him_these_pics_after/ No. 1898865
>>1898144It's going to slow down because it's social contagion and now that old people are trooning out it's not as cool as it used to be. Cool liberal politicians are quietly cutting back the support they show for the gendies, workplaces are slowly finding ways around troon discrimination, medical transitioning for minors is now frowned upon. I agree that it's been around for years and will be around for many more, but the untouchableness that trannies have now is already starting to fade. Society as a whole won't be brought to tears by a 20 year old TIF with the face and voice of a geriatric frog, but society will move on from this phase and the permanently disfigured troons will fade into the background. Younger zoomers see gender as a fashion so there's already a world of difference between a child going through a they/them phase following a haircut and a disfigured post-op millennial who trooned out in 2016 sobbing about how being a genderless male lesbian is hard.
Imo what would REALLY stop this shit is getting rid of Tiktok and Instagram and cutting out any similar shit before it gets popular. Girls are made to feel that being a man is the only alternative to not wanting to be a blow up doll, kids grow up getting bombarded with softcore porn and think it's reality instead of fishing for views and likes, and they spend all their time online navel gazing so trooning out is the closest they come to having an actual personality. But that won't happen, so the best we can hope for is that trooning out becomes too cringe to be an option.
No. 1898884
>>1897813>>1897975There are still people who believe the earth is flat, despite all the scientific evidence to the contrary. There are still people who believe the earth is 6,000 years old, and that God created it in 6 days. There will always be some people who believe in stupid shit, including transgenderism.
The only difference is that now the Catholic Church doesn’t have the political power to put people like Galileo in jail for stating scientific facts, and for the most part Christians have moved on from demanding that Creationism be taught in public schools (they’ve moved on to protesting drag queen story hours kek).
As long as biological differences between men and women remain (so for the rest of eternity) there will always be some mentally ill people who want to be, or attempt to become, the opposite sex. But the transgender movement will lose steam and political support, especially as more detransitioners sue their doctors and insurance agencies. It’s sad that the protests of women and autistic/gay people hurt by this cult won’t be enough to convince anyone, but unfortunately money is the only thing that people listen to.
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probably super late to this but i can't believe the actress of abby from santa clarita diet got top surgery because she's a they/them. i just started yellowjackets and was excited to see her again, then i made the mistake of googling her. i'm guessing she falls into the selfhating lesbian category since she says she's gay.
No. 1899534
>>1899401iirc they do go into it once their hysterectomy/atrophy takes place and also get it quite early in life if they were ever on blockers (i have it in my head that they get it by their 20s if they took blockers as kids which nobody tells them and lets them think their future is that of an adult male).
Actually for what it's worth, it seems things like ablation and all other uterus fuckery they've started as "cures" for bad periods can spontaneously put you through menopause. Docs will claim otherwise but I know enough older women gaslight about this (then tested and proven right about being in menopause decades too young) to know it happens. I wouldn't be surprised if the regular hormones
trigger it too (before atrophy) but the tifs don't realise they're in it cause they want their periods gone and are usually so mentally ill they can't see the side effects of menopause vs other shit nor are capable of recognizing the general state of their body to realise either.
No. 1899660
>>1899650Sincerely hope all these "I'm living my best life, fuck anyone trying to stop me harming myself!" videos haunt her when she realises what a fucking idiot she's been. She speedran trooning out in, what, a year? Then went private thinking "surely the nice quacks who take my trust fund money would
never lie to me about my totes legit GID diagnosis". I'd feel bad for her, but honestly she's so annoying I just can't, kek.
No. 1899664
>>1897813I think 2050 is pushing it a bit but I agree with you about industry involvement. It's not going to die that easily due to sunk cost fallacy. Businesses and public figures put a lot of money into their cool inclusive larp and if tomorrow everyone suddenly figured out the horrors behind transgenderism, there is not many ways they could bounce back after building their good image on their "explicit support towards the performing of dangerous experiments on children".
But all in all this is a meme war among meme wars and we can only wait so much time until a strong ideological opponent rises, and with it more businesses and public figures willing to support them as well. The problem is, it's probably the anti-feminist, trad movement that will remain the main opposition to trans shit, while the name "feminism" will be permanently stained by troon nonsense and no one will want to touch it with a ten foot pole for the next decade.
>>1898745The gnc fancy man fetish is so obvious here kek.
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Girls who write I LOVE BOYS IM SO GAY GAY GAY GAY coping so hard that theyre completely straight
No. 1899758
>>1899749I always laugh when I see fakebois act surprised that they're seen as girls.
They look like girls/women with short hair and baggy clothes and They can't even act like actual boys , they talk about bugs and yaoi and while some men like bugs and some gay men like yaoi ,the way they talk about these things or basically about anything, makes it obvious that they haven't actually spent time around actual guys.
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These two don't even look they they've " transitioned ". Don't even look like twinks kek
No. 1899883
>>1899779I mean…They DO look like they have pronouns in their bio so there's that. Also I don't know who she is but the girl on the left is kinda cute actually, definitely would've made my high school self go nuts.
>>1899780It's great you made it out. I don't really know how detransition works but I wish you luck with the rest (?) of your recovery.
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converting from one mental illness to another
No. 1899910
>>1899891>tif with muslim male name, it was the name of prophet mo's relative or something>"islamophobic diasporoid"Hmm. I mean I hated my Islamic upbringing too
and when Muslims and their white liberal defenders call me islamophobe I do not care, however I wonder if her being a tif is tied to that upbringing because of how women are genuinely seen as second class sex objects in that
shitty ass religion
Kept having to repost because I'm stupid
No. 1899915
>>1898745At this point, what even is being trans?
Is someone who is undergoing medical transition? No, because there isn't only medical transition. Someone with gender dysphoria? No because you don't need dysphoria. Someone with body dysphoria? No because you can also love your body. Someone who feels like the other gender? No because trans isn't a feeling. Someone who wears wacky fashion/breaks gender roles? No because you can wear anything!!
Then what the fuck is being trans??
No. 1899928
>>1899866I was never quite in the gender cult since I saw things from a transmedicalist perspective, but now I think they're just different types of delusion. The thing that really peaked me was looking up the effects of exogenous testosterone on non-trans men and women. It was completely different from how the effects of T are reported in a trans context, just really stark with clear warnings about the health consequences. I saw there had been millions of lawsuits from men who took T and women who took it at a much lower dose than I did. I thought I had done really thorough research before committing to medical transition, but I made the incredibly stupid mistake of only looking at the data for trans people, which seriously downplays the negative long-term side effects. It's a medical movement run on hardcore denial and wishful thinking. The more you try to change the appearance of your sex, the greater the cost to your health.
>>1899883Thank you for the kind wishes! I think I've physically recovered for the most part but I'd still like to get bloodwork and a physical check-up when I have health insurance again, just to make sure everything is ok. Coming out as a detransitioner was painful and changing my documents back took a long time. Now I really just need to work on building back my social relationships slowly and awkwardly.
No. 1899960
>>1899915welcome to peaking kek
nothing they ever said ever made sense and the cognitive dissonance needed to buy into anything trans is immensely big. to believe you are something you are physically not (or indeed to believe you are NOT what you physically are) has always just been mental illness and a delusion. nothing more, nothing less.
No. 1899965
>>1899960Oh no,
nonny, I'm already peaked thanks to my faggot tim ex back in 2017 but thank you for that, it was a rhetorical question and also what I would ask to them. I wish I could copy and paste it to my social media plats but I'm crypto, I'm just waiting for the Big Fading and the massive wave of regret.
No. 1900005
>>1899879Nona, with all due respect
>rottingyou sound like a moid, hope you don't speak about normal menopause like that. But yeah, I have no fucking idea she thinks will happen because I've gone through gynecological cancer and seem to have been in less pain and do you think tifs go to the gyno? hell no and even if they did, what the fuck are they supposed to do when they keep stabbing their lifeboats wondering why it's sinking
No. 1900039
>>1899856Sad thing is, they aren't even ugly, in my opinion. The seem to have pleasant faces, and I can easily imagine both them looking good with better styling. I think it's more diplomatic to say that when women fail to meet absurd beauty standards, they feel like the must be better off as fake men. Pre-transition, TiFs are usually just kind of mousy, plain, or frumpy, but not full-on ugly the way they often are
after trooning out. Big noses, smile lines, thin lips, and so on will never be as ugly as self-hatred and misogyny.
No. 1900068
>>1900005She was describing atrophy as what it is and even put it in parentheses, remain vigilant
nonnie but this one is okay
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>>1899779I was curious if the movies/actors, I’m big into horror but tbh just haven’t kept up with recent movies. especially now that it’s so tranny apologist. Left actress is Morgan Davies in Evil Dead Rise and IIRC she was discussed last thread because she played a character in the live action One Piece. Right actress is Zoe Terakes in Talk to Me and is 23 and already has top surgery.
Also this from her Wikipedia
>In November 2020, Terakes signed a petition criticizing the lack of LGBTQ representation in the Australian production of Hedwig and the Angry Inch and expressing "disappointment" over the casting of actor Hugh Sheridan in the lead role of Hedwig, whom many believe to be a transgender character. They, along with David Campbell, Michaela Banas, and others, shared an open letter on Instagram addressed to the Sydney Festival, explaining why trans representation is vital when telling the story of a trans character. The Australian producers, Showtune Productions, cancelled the show. Sheridan later came out as non-binary in an Instagram post on 26 June 2021, and also bisexual, speaking of the hurt and serious mental health issues that arose from the cyber bullying around this incident.Lmao that they complain about the actor not being trans and then he just comes out as a gendie.
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God.
No. 1900165
>>1900102I completely thought Zoe's character in Talk to Me was just a butch lesbian. Same with Morgan's character in Evil Dead. It's hilarious to think that they're fooling anyone into believing otherwise. But it's also sad as fuck that we could've had awesome butch representation instead of this stupid nonsense.
>Hedwig and the Angry InchIIRC in Hedwig and the Angry Inch, the titular character is pretty much forced to undergo sexual reassignment surgery because his male partner can't risk being seen as gay? I thought a big plot of the musical was his discomfort with being stuck in this now mutilated body. Or maybe they changed it now that being trans is hip and cool?
No. 1900174
>>1900102>"the dialogue around trans people is so fucked at the moment"Well she's right about that, just wrong about what part is fucked up.
The painting didn't capture her dog ear armpits kek
No. 1900181
>>18996642050 is way too far away lol name a recent fashion trend that has lasted for 40 years (2010s is when the trans trend really got going). I think it's harder for Americans/Canadaians to see becuase you guys are SO fucked up and it looks beyond hope but as a euroanon I'm already seeing massive pullbacks in my super woke pro-trans country and I think eventually you guys will follow. You can already see companies changing things up to protect themselves from the upcoming backlash.
If for no other reason it will end because trans is no longer "cool", it's the cringe thing the older generation did while a new trend has entered the market. The trans label itself and the accepted presentation of it has already changed A LOT in just 10 years. It started out without enbys even existing, and a tif was someone who wanted to present as male and that was it.
Now an enby tif can go by he/him, take testosterone just enough to have a frog voice and weak stubble and have her boobs out in dresses and a full face of makeup and she's still seen as a fully
valid trans person.
How this thing will really end is silently, with the people who did the harm sneaking away and pretending it never happened. Leaving the hurt mentally ill people they ruined to fend for themselves without help.
No. 1900188
>>1900181Breast implants, butt augmentation, and lip fillers have existed since the 60s, and gained mass popularity in the 80s. Corsets were commonly worn for hundreds of years. Foot binding also lasted several hundreds of years. Eunuchs were commonly created for hundreds of years. Trends that involve long-term consequences like bodily harm tend to last longer than ones that can be easily forgotten with no losses. You can't exactly leave your scars in the closet or donate them to a thrift store, so people double down so that they don't have to confront the harsh reality of the harm done.
Of course, I can't say you're wrong. I'm just not hopeful, since I know no one with any power will take the responsibility or make the kind of firm stance that would be required to truly kill transgenderism. We may just have to worry about reprises in a similar way that people previously infected with chicken pox have to worry about shingles.
No. 1900192
>>1900179Reasons a tif gets her breasts amputated and mutilated (a tif can be multiple at a time):
>Exhibitionismsee
>>1900173>Escape from trauma/sexism(/homophobia)She incorrectly thinks the trauma/sexism wouldn't have happened to her if she wasn't a girl so she has to remove the thing that "gave her trauma" (typical female behavior to blame herself rather than the person who caused the trauma).
>Autism/sensory issuesBreasts are sensitive and for people with sensory issues they may be lead to incorrectly think the higher level of discomfort in that area is because they're trans and not just a side effect of autistic traits
>Trender Light/Non-conventional bodyOne who does it just because their friends did it, at most they identify as non-binary and go by they/them but make no other effort to transition until their more intense friends do it. They may also have "ugly" breasts (aka not ideal perky perfect porny plastic breasts) and feel inferior about it and this is a way to get rid of the worry that their breasts aren't perfect, even though they don't really have gender dysphoria.
>True TrenderDoes it while admitting they just like how it looks, they've typically got a lot of tattoos, multiple piercings all over, and is generally into body mods. They're fully on the trans train and assertive about it but clearly treats it as a trend but can't see it because the ideology encourages it
>Body dysmorphia("gender dysphoria")/OCDLike the trender light/non-conventional body tif she feels her breasts are inferior/wrong but it's more intense and all consuming for her. It's clearly an unhealthy hyperfixation that consumes her thoughts every day. She's highly likely to either have or have had an eating disorder or other body dysmorphic disorders. For some the trans identity is a cover up to be able to further engage with those other disorders (like getting testosterone to be able to lose more body fat to fuel their eating disorder)
>Trans medicalistThey think if they get surgery to look like a man that means they've either literally or spiritually changed sex - and they ARE a man. Fuelld by mental illness of course
>Child being groomedThe "trans kid" who was either groomed by a parent or trans people on the internet from an early age and had the surgery because "that's what you do when you're trans" and "if I don't, I will end up killing myself"
Let me know if I missed anything
No. 1900196
>>1900188>Breast implants, butt augmentation, and lip fillers have existed since the 60sThat's not the kind of trend I meant, I meant trends like the label of "trans" itself. You don't see the 60-70s hippies walking around everywhere, or more recent goths or emos. No one (well, maybe a handful of weirdos…) is identifying as a big-butter or thicc-lipper and making it their personality and identity the same way they make being trans "not a phase, mom".
But they're still a noteworthy thing to consider, because while butt fillers may have "been around" since the 60s they've not always been trendy. When I was a kid having a big butt was shameful and everyone wanted a small flat butt. Any curves were just you being fat, ugly and undesirable. Then the Kardashian butt trend started and everyone wanted a massive butt all of a sudden, and having a flat butt was unsexy and ugly. Now it's starting to go back a bit and skinny is becoming the trend again. So again that hasn't actually been a trend for that long, it just comes and goes in waves.
No. 1900198
>>1900181>>1900188I think you're both right, because now trans is a fashion and not whatever it was back when it took off. BBLs are out of fashion, so you don't see many people getting them now, but there are plenty of women walking around with wonky BBLs and nobody bats an eye. Lip and face fillers make your lips go droopy and they migrate, and now there are women walking around with sausage lips hanging down to their chins and uneven cheeks, and again nobody bats an eye. It's going to be the same for women with frog voices and mastectomy scars, they're going to be seen as fashion
victims at best and sad mentally ill weirdos at worst. Body modification has become so commonplace that the many disfigurements troons give themselves will end up fading into the background.
No. 1900215
>>1897595ive done this in uni a few times. One time, we had a guest lecture done by a tim telling us about his research into hetero people of same sex romance in prison (I'm a criminology student). TBH it sounded interesting on paper but it was really an autistic man rambling about how sexuality is fluid and little to do with prison environment. His voice was so grating and the lecture was two hours long when he was like "
TW: RAPE" I was like.. this is my time to book it lmao. The prof was nice and checked in on me, and i was like "yeah.. its too heavy for me today" she was like aw okay take care, she was so sweet but why she chose him to guest was wild.
No. 1900318
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Gee, I wonder why?
No. 1900361
>>1900342Did this woman really think being trans was gonna make her immune from getting sexually assaulted by men?
There are even straight men who get raped by other men.
(sage) No. 1900411
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Some Trans-trenderism from 22 years ago.
No. 1900445
>>1900411>>1900416I'm fairly certain I've seen a radblr user cover everything wrong with Bechdel, from her frequent tranny promoting, to the way she basically dismissed her father's predatory actions and cheating on her mother with "but he was probably a closeted fag, which makes it more defensible" in Fun Home. No one actually cared, though. They just went right back to sharing panels from her shitty comics.
>>1900428Why should women be expected to give regard to a woman who criticized Michfest for being "too much woman energy" and not allowing in TIMs? Bechdel is a retard who is more likely to destroy female-only spaces than promote them.
No. 1900459
>>1900428AYRT, I'm a lesbian and in my experience, both online and off, radfems and rad leaning women can be a lil hero worshippy of Bechdel. Don't get me wrong, when I was a baby butch, I thought it was cool to see someone like me be visible. But she's a navel-gazing libfem, not some important documenter of dykedom, kek. If the tide is turning online like
>>1900445 said, then good, it's about damn time. How anyone can defend her after she's caped for her pedo dad and made her views on female spaces so clear is beyond me.
That is smug ignorance of gay women's history and culture, not calling a shitty cartoonist cringe.
No. 1900475
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>>1900428>>1900445As I already posted in the bad comics thread, the real issue with her and her type of feminists is that they are academics, their feminism is based and dictated by whatever pretentious theories is popular
No. 1900485
>>1900480Academia schmacademia. I'm sick of you pretentious fucks.
>>1900475 hit the nail on the head.
>but i know i'm not talking to actual womenIncredible. You get called a moid for literally anything these days, kek.
No. 1900486
>>1900480Oh, yeah, because male "culture" has done such good things for the world. Even if you only look at its effects on men (the ones it's designed to benefit), it makes them reckless freaks who swing rapidly between narcissism and inferiority complexes. Why should we
want to replicate their style of "culture"?
No. 1900534
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Her subscribers are really creaming themselves about it, picrel. Her voice is also starting to sound froggy.
>let's wait a year shall we
They don't know they have to wait since they all think its a one-and-done kinda deal, which shows in how they talk about it and how they don't know or just don't keep up with caring for their new wounds, and of course bully anyone into silence if they talk about the bad parts even if its a tif saying it.
No. 1900556
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>going on a spooky film binge because its that time of year
>in one of them, there's a tomboy character in an all girls school, of course she's a tif
This is becoming a straight up character trope at this point
No. 1900612
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>>1900556>Sam zelayaNever heard of her but she looks very young, and already a tif? She has old videos of herself on YouTube too but its unclear if she was a tif then
No. 1900630
>>1900485Kek get her ass
>>1900480You think queer studies are real don't you
No. 1900677
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Based Hori, the stereotypical tif bone structure if u look closely.
No. 1900691
>>1900492I feel like I bang this drum a lot, but Bechdel deserves to be the object of ridicule for the cavalier way Fun Home regards the way her father sexually abused his teenage students. If a straight woman wrote a book about how ~misunderstood~ her asshole dad was and she found naked pictures of
female teenage students among his things, she'd be expected to fucking condemn him as the predator he is and raked over the coals if she didn't. But Bechdel frames the whole thing around how discovering his kiddie porn stash meant that she had a ~speshul gay connection~ with her pederast father, totally refusing to address how utterly fucked his behavior was. I don't care that he was gay, or that it was a "different time," soliciting nudes from (and probably molesting) your teenage students is
never excusable. I'm glad that sicko killed himself. You just know that if he ended up in court of possession of child porn or statutory rape, his retarded daughter would be the first to defend him.
No. 1900694
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>>1900428>>1900475I mean, the characters and events from the comic are amalgamations of various people she knew at certain points in her life. with the exception of Moe, who is simply a self-insert. That being said, there are certain events that are both mundane yet expected, which probably did happen to people she knew. For example, there's a bisexual lesbian who marrys a balding, bearded, fat progressive man. Additionally, there are two separate lesbian couples who had hoped for daughters but ended up having sons (as getting pregnant through sperm donation often leads to). Furthermore, one of these lesbian couples' sons later comes out as transgender(which has some unfortunate implications). The comic also explores how these characters react to real-world events happening around them like 9/11, but in a pretentious academic way.
No. 1900730
sage for a bit of blogpost but also some reflection
Lately a friend of mine socially trooned out as a theythem and started to bind, I tried to express my concern with shit like "are you sure you want to give yourself back pain, rib pain and breathing problems just for aesthetics?" and she went "Well nonna you used to bind too!"
I didn't ever bind my body, I wore compression stuff because my piece of shit ex was telling me I was obese, so with compression stuff I knew exactly how much space I took. Yes, I was young and stupid, that's not the point, but the she went
"You were traumatized, but I'm doing this for myself! I'm happy!"
And that's when I realized that either tifs are doing it to cather weird looks and weird attention, like the Ezra bitch who sure as he will still wear feminine dresses despite being disfigured or they're totally nullyfying themselves. When I compressed my body, I wanted to be small and didn't want nobody to notice me (I was thinking shit like that if my bf thought that I was fat, then everyone was thinking that) and they're doing the same exact thing but they deluded themselves into being happy. I wasn't happy and they won't be either.
I still have some empathy, in fact I know that the world isn't kind to women, but I kinda relate to them in some way and I hate that the world is telling them to dissociate themselves from their body because boobs and being female bad. They don't want to be men, they don't want to look like their dads, they don't want to look like women, period. I know this isn't something new but I can see where they are coming from and I can see the psych damage and the difference from treatment. The world tells women they are fat but no surgeon will cut off all fat (except for money hungry butchers), the world tells women that they're women and women are bad but mutilation is tax-paid and encourage. I want this bubble to burst.
No. 1900733
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>>1900612I seriously thought this was an edit of Ariana Grande's old face on some random teenage boy kek
No. 1900742
>>1900480>men don't tear down men in the past who were wrongyeah we fucking know, men protect men even when they know they're wrong and then they throw women under the bus. not news
>there is an understanding in academiaAcademia IS what is largely pushing trans ideology right now though
No. 1900753
>>1900500Go king, mutilate that healthy body! Also the fact she's posting this like it's for people who are scared of surgery and not just narc fuel is hilarious. That whole "things you're afraid of" series is just a way to vlog and get extra asspats for it.
>>1900534Her fans are so sycophantic. It's genuinely freaky how parasocial they are and how much they lie to her because she's a troon. She'd be a few weeks on testosterone and the comments would be like "omg your face shape is so masculine now!" and "wow I thought you were cis" as if heaven and earth moved to give her a Chad like bone structure, kek.
>>1900691Agree with you 100%.
No. 1900774
>>1900764I can see Ezra detransing and then playing it like "it's okay to experiment with your identity!" but don't you dare call it social contagion, poor self image, confusion, grooming, mental illness and misoginy. I can see her still wearing slutty lace suit with scars and going "I can wear anything despite my gender!" but we will never hear her saying the word "regret".
If not this, I can see her spiral down into depression because she swallowed the genderpill and stop posting, pretending that nothing ever happened, to also avoid responsibility on her teen, botched and brainwashed audience.
No. 1900859
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>>1900779Honestly, that part was unintentionally hilarious because the character Sparrow was shown to be more man-hating than other characters. So, it was shocking when she started dating (and would later marry) a man. The other characters speculated that she must have been with either some super-macho dude or a super pretty guy. However, it turns out she was seeing a chubby, balding, bearded "progressive" man who is secure about his masculinity. It was comedy gold cause this probably did happen to someone she knew.
There's another character sydney, who is a woman studies professor, very obsessed with feminist theory, and calling out "cis-white-male patriarchy". However, she's bankrolled by her dad, with whom she has a very good relationship. She doesn't care about the fact that he married one of his students who is the same age as her. Again, that's unintentionally hilarious.
No. 1900916
>>1900842>"you sound legitimately schizophrenic" while insisting it's only TIMs doing the "bisexual lesbian" schtickKEK, don't play dumb. Plenty of women are calling themselves that nowadays. It's not a condemnation of
all bisexuals to say that some of them are language diluting, pomo assholes. Unclench your cheeks.
No. 1900960
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some TIF comics are just plain sad. left is how she actually is and right is how she wishes she could be
No. 1900974
>>1900960Why can't she work? Even child abuse survivors are expected to work. Why is bougie McDonalds-fat not required to work? I also don't know why her tits would magically hurt unless they were rotting off from diabetes.
TIFs need help but a front-sausage graft isn't going to fix what's wrong with them. Even after trooning out they'd still be autistic unhealthy losers.
No. 1901015
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I can honestly see Ezra ending up similar to mxmorphling/CallMeLaddie, detransitioning and claiming to be nonbinary despite clearly living as a hyperfeminine woman as to not lose all her followers. These type of detransitioners piss me off the most because you can obviously tell they regret the hormones and surgeries but double-down on the gender shit because claiming to be a pronoun freak is more respectable for them than a woman.
No. 1901062
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If anyone follows @ofangie in the art side of instagram. Literally the same tale over and over again.
No. 1901164
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Redditor having IVF and doesn't want a daughter, she admits it's because she doesn't want to bright a daughter into this world because of female oppression. I never want kids, I wouldn't want a son or daughter, especially for the same reasons. But she gets delusional in thinking that her daughter could just identity out of being female and everything would be fine.
>I am lucky enough to have some mtf trans friends. So hopefully a female child would, statistically speaking, feel differently and actually like being female, and if not, hopefully they could do something about it and not have a life of misery like I did.
>I also recognize that the child could always change their own sex, but I am not concerned about that because if they felt that freedom in a way that would be living my dream so of course I wouldn't be against that - it would be a beautiful example of how much the world has changed, even if it is still imperfect.
She shouldn't even have children with this mindset, and if she's the one who's going to be pregnant it will be the biggest reminder of her sex. I can sympathize with the trauma we all have from being born female, but I can feel the hatred for women oozing off her post.
No. 1901172
>>1901171the first comment in
>>1901166 gaslights her into oblivion:
>thinking that birthing a moid is bringing another oppressor = sillyit's likely a mtf commenter though, so obviously, like every common moid, he wants her to breed and defends it. or a tradthot
No. 1901218
>>1901212It's probably best they have a boy tbh. I'd really pity any girl growing up with such a misogynistic,
victim blame-y parent.
No. 1901258
>>1900960What makes her believe that as a man she wouldn't have autism?
This image only shows that troons are people without self-esteem who over-idealize life as the opposite sex, not because they have real dysphoria problems.
No. 1901286
>>1901258I mean, she does feel dysphoria, as in she is dissatisfied with her life and feels uneasiness about it. But can it be fixed? Of course it can, she can just go to a doctor, get her hormones checked so she can get some medication for her fatness, eat actual food instead of fast food and candy, workout and find other autistic people to hangout with.
I just hate how trannies try to turn a term used to feeling dissatisfied and uneasy into something that’s somehow very serious and totally important to treat immediately.
No. 1901398
>>1901351Like
>>1901114 said, it's upsetting because of how she would draw women. But from what I've seen from multiple posts of hers, she seems to just hate that she "bimbo-fied" herself and now wants to be a man. Using the 4chan "foid" to describe herself. A woman cannot be non-feminine, not smart, not funny, gross or weird, because all of these things are "man" apparently to her.
No. 1901399
>>1901378I'd wager she just invented a problem so she could post something online again. "yeah yeah this is totes a life hack, no no, I promise I'm not a narcissist". The fact she mentioned the bloat from the medicine seems like her old ED mentality is still there tbh. I hadn't even noticed because, well, she has fucking socks in her post-op binder. But she just
had to slip that in there to let her fans know she's not an icky fatty. Anyway, infection arc coming soon?
No. 1901573
>>1901351seems like the 2nd girl is her right before puberty, she was happy before puberty hit her and she started to get feminine and not childlike which obviously brought unwanted sexualisation
many such cases!
No. 1901580
>>1901562>>1901561have irl friends, they aren't autistically into the same shit i am, and that wasn't an "nlog". it was more like being excited to encounter another woman except they reveal themselves to be a tranny. this is a common complaint in the thread so
>>1901562 calm down tiffany.
No. 1901657
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>>1900192Not mention also the "NLOG/Tomboy" is so '00.
No. 1901683
>>1901657Does CM stand for cis men??
So women are bitches by default because they're transphobic, but she babies transphobic men because they're only transphobic due to
toxic masculinity (which is exclusively women's fault apparently)?
Is there context missing here? Because this feels comically misogynistic for pastel tumblr comic standards
and she's agender so she's not even a trutrans. Is she just being really confusing over whether she's using "bitches" in a gendered/gender neutral way or…?
The way she draws herself/her self insert seems like she wants to do a "mean half-contraria edgelord that says things like they are with no sugar coating" LARP, so the only explanation I can think for this is that she twisted her brain so hard trying to be "edgy but in a TRA way" that she flipped herself into hating and blaming everything on women.
No. 1901702
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No. 1901707
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>>1901702this is what she looks like btw
No. 1901742
>>1901212It’s reddit, of course not. Quite a few people even suggesting she transition or see a gender specialist who will only indoctrinate her more. Lots of people thinking they’ve got a good gotcha point asking her what she would do if her kid is a MTF or nonbinary, when it’s clear she hates femaleness so a troon son or an aiden daughter would be a win for her. Also with IVF you can choose the sex unless it’s banned in your country.
>>1901378Those can’t possibly be fucking dirty socks right, she’s this stupid and nasty wtf.
No. 1901773
>>1901573saged for blogposty which is very common actually i remember when my breast grew the attention i got was way worse i was even catcalled on the street once i was 14 after which i started to bind my chest as so it wouldnt show,then wearing baggy shirts surprise surprise i was still harassed i was very close to the tif route too ,i think often times this is just the wrong way to deal with sexual trauma women face on a daily basis or them being lesbians and not accepting it, desexualizing yourself wont make the moids go away and defining femininity as
girl wear skirt and makeup is redundant
(blog) No. 1901815
>>1901580>"not an nlog">calls the anon a TIF with literally zero evidenceA hit dog will holler.
>>1901717I'm so sick of hearing this shit. Like yeah, being a lesbian - particularly a GNC one -
is an experience of being othered, no doubt about it. But how is this helping? The response to being told you're not a "real" woman is not to say "you know what? I'm not". God, I wanna a-log so bad.
No. 1901827
>>1901042tif ""logic"" and misogyny at its finest.
>if only i was a male, i could be independent and ignore other males!!tifs will sooner chop body parts than try to get their shit together. it's not even body dysmorphia or trauma here, just some excuse not to hold a job and live on their own like a shit ton of women are doing in the west. bc of course they never come from countries where women are actually forced to rely on a moid.
No. 1901888
>>1901683See
>>1901692 Is not a self-insert of the author, but a mock of all the TIFs that think like that.
No. 1901893
>>1901692>>1901888Oh thanks for clarifiying nonnas. I fell for it haha
I was finding it strange because that level of transparent woman blaming vs man coddling is something you'd probably only actually find in the trutrans MRA that larps as a 4channer on purpose to pass better type of TIF, not on the enby pastel creative type.
No. 1901900
>>1901707Ah yes, what a very butch pose.
Seems she's on T but shaved her face. Imagine the shock you'd get if you overlooked the septum ring and took her home.
No. 1901921
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Bpd chan fucks gay manwhore but is offended when he turns out to be a gay manwhore
No. 1901923
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>>1901921Also some trans hypocrisy spotted in the wild
No. 1901934
>>1901921'Rumors cis men know jack about vaginas'
Not gunna say that men in general are very knowledgable, but since we're talking about a GAY man….
No. 1901940
>>1901935I don't necessarily think the dudes bisexual.
Well , he could be but either way , if he's gay or bisexual , than it's possible the guy was trying to convince himself that he was into fakebois as a way of saying " I genuinely see you as a guy , so you can't call me transphobic " something like that basically
…or the fakeboi just has a really repulsive looking body overall and he's just specifically into her body since he apparently is messaging multiple fakebois.
No. 1901963
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They're so fucking sensitive. I've seen so many TIFs who start crying and sitting their pants if the eldery woman at the clothes store calls them "she". And there are ones who can't even stand someone else having their name? Weak. No man would act like this.
No. 1901980
>>1901963please don't tell me she got
triggered by hotel room service
No. 1902063
>>1901921>this bi male on grindr didn't know my anatomy at all, kept criticising my body and asking weird questions, and let me give head though he had a UTI. Why did this happen?????Sigh. Also,
>I have a habit of going on grindr when my self esteem is even lower than it clearly already isSo there's gonna be plenty more encounters where that came from. Pray you get out of it with nothing more than a curable STD bc that's the best case scenario there.
No. 1902086
>>1902050that's daft. gender "identity" is not real. butch and femme are lesbian subcultures with their own codes, not gender roles.
the tifs just want to say it's a gender so they can divorce the term from homosexuality and appropriate it. classic pomo "words mean what i want them to mean" kweer tactic.
>>1901923only fucking afab people? sounds like a "genital preference", which as we all know is twansphobic. someone's gonna get slapped with the
terf label kek
No. 1902393
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What the fuck
No. 1902452
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>>1902393It just keeps getting worse and worse.
No. 1902500
>>1902050>>1902108>>1902168Nonas you're braver than I am. I was thinking the same thing, but I didn't want to risk sparking infighting that involved both downlow gender-lovers
and classic homophobes. The concept of "inherent masculinity/femininity" is fundamentally genderist, as is precise/strict larping of gender roles and aesthetics.
No. 1902527
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>>1902415She wants to be an anime boy
No. 1902602
>>1902419you are
actually a piece of shit human being. congrats.
No. 1902663
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No. 1902719
>>1902718Nonnie she had her boobs out
However, I really doubt this happened in the first place, sounds like prime transfiction
No. 1902754
>>1901921>Bpd chan fucks bisexual manwhore but is offended when he turns out to be a bisexual manwhoreFtfy.
Also the fact that he's going after multiple TiFs at once makes me wonder if he's just a straight opportunist posing as a gay man. I mean, straight men don't understand jack shit about vaginas, either, so it's not like it's a stretch.
No. 1902821
>>1902810That’s honestly not dysphoria tho? If it was dysphoria she wouldn’t have even thought of going to gay bathhouses and being topless around men because she would’ve felt “discomfort and uneasiness” instead of calmly talking with random men about boobs, the average woman feels more dysphoria by shaving her legs, vulva and armpits 24/7 than the majority of tifs who are just either exhibitionists or
victims of abuse and/or harassment that self-harm as a way to take control over a situation.
No. 1903001
>>1902980NTA but same. If I had a brother and this was his teacher, I'd want that degenerate fired ASAP. I don't care if it makes me "
actually a piece of shit human being" like TIFchan
>>1902602 said. It's just common sense that trannies shouldn't be in schools for a variety of reasons. They're perverts, they're mentally unstable, they cannot and will not stay neutral when teaching anything related to politics or human biology, if a child comes to them with a problem they cannot be trusted to give sound advice, etc etc etc.
No. 1903011
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This personal cow of mine recently got the word "faggot" tramp stamped on herself despite being female and only fucking males as seen in her NSFL Twitter. Picrel.
She also has a video of her using a urinal where she doesn't even bother wiping her pissy pussy before pulling her pants back up, but I'll spare your eyes from that.
No. 1903050
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>>1903011At least is legible, not like this monstrosity.
No. 1903236
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Checks all the boxes
No. 1903317
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Tif wishes to be the brave little gay boy who gets to publicly come out in a big spectacular manner and shatter gender stereotypes. Unfortunately, she is a feminine heterosexual woman.
No. 1903324
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The drag race tif appeared on my feed and she's looking rough, does she have filler in her jaw? And kek at her small arms next to the male's orangutan ones
>>1903305A man would nut inside a pringles can with the crumbs still inside
No. 1903363
>>1903358I think its a matter of identity as well, most middle class youth don't have an identity or sub-group to these days, so it’s no surprise that some of them, especially younger ones, seek solace in alternate forms of identity. These "personas: offer them the chance to rise as oppressed heroes or embrace the role of the
victim, essentially "reclaiming" their rightful place in the narrative of their lives.
No. 1903461
>>1903337There's an article about how yaoi is making young women turn into tifs and most of the comments are saying "is such a lie! This was written by a
TERF! No sane woman would think an unrealistic gay sex means they're men in a woman's body!"
But Aiden, there are TONS of young woman acting like NLOG because "yaoi made her realize she wasn't a girl after all". The kettle calling the pot.
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>>1903317>>1903382>Arden…As in Elizabeth? THE Red Door herself? Arden is trying to pass as a gay man with a ladies perfume name?
No. 1903626
>>1903600But that’s the issue, nonna! Being straight is too okay, it’s boring, there’s nothing forbidden about being a straight woman dating a straight man.
Not even age gaps are seen as something as scandalous as it could’ve been seen as when she was a teenager, she would need to date a geriatric dying moid for people to whisper and point at her, because even if she dated a man 10 years older than her, everyone would just think “ah, she just likes them older”.
No. 1903629
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I haven't seen anything about this particular tif on lolcow, but she's such a… specimen. I remember her from tumblr from a few years back. She used to run a stim blog, suddenly pooned out, and started doing "gay" (lole) porn. She hasn't posted anything on the latest iteration of her stim blog since late 2021 and has since fully dedicated her life to the coom, doing the usual PH, onlyfans, reddit, and twitter porn run. If you look up her username, you'll see a handful of her older pictures, but mostly porn.
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>>1903274I think because some of them have never seen any of their male relatives and think "I'll look like them too!". Not mention also all the tifs use filters to look better even if they'll age badly.
No. 1903663
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I've been going through Mastodon for milk and while most of the users there belong more on the e-begging thread this one is genuinely depressing. I feel so bad for her, poor girl.
No. 1903735
>>1903709You're being way too generous with the 10 years, it takes so much less time than that for the T to do its damage. It's depressing how quickly the irreversible effects set in. Plus she's obviously in a bad place mentally, nobody moves in with their creep boyfriend to do porn at 18 because they're happy with their life, so chances are she'll be doing even worse shit soon. I genuinely feel so fucking bad for these women, they get groomed into doing all sorts of depraved shit online by their pedo boyfriends and convince themselves it's OK because they're heckin
valid themby bois now. I wonder how much of the Tif suicide rate is because they've invested so much into trooning out (and ruined their lives in other ways, like doing porn online) that when they snap out of it they're too depressed to move on and decide to end it all.
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>>1903324Kek Remember when Gigi was just a gay man? I completely forgot he trooned out too. So unfortunate.
No. 1903813
>>1903553If you are not very careful
Your possessions will possess you
TV taught me how to feel
Now real life has no appeal
It has no appeal, it has no appeal
It has no appeal, it has no appeal
It has no appeal
(autism) No. 1903820
>>1903813I know exactly what I want and who I want to be
I know exactly why I walk and talk like a machine
I'm now becoming my own self-fulfilled prophecy
Oh! Oh, no! Oh, no! Oh, no, oh!
No. 1903847
>>1903770Anon, you are misinformed.
TIFs stop taking testosterone during pregnancy. Most of them also aren't on it when they get pregnant and they have to plan the pregnancy and they usually have to stop taking it to conceive. The majority of the time it makes them infertile especially after a few months on it.
Some TIFs only take testosterone initially to virilize their bodies and then they quit and let their female reproductive hormones kick back in again. Some take it on and off.
You can't control someone else's fertility/whether or not they get pregnant. How would you stop a whole group of people from naturally reproducing without becoming a mad tyrant whether you agree with their life choices or not?
No. 1903857
>>1903663>uwu i want to get rid of my female features >wait no not that oneliek you get to pick and choose which organs are affected. fucking retard
>>1903847maybe altering medical guidelines to make sure hrt is treated as potential teratogenic and not prescribed if there's a risk of pregnancy, like they do for accutane. but then again they'd just screech about being denied access to life saving medication uwu
No. 1903873
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I really don't get these people at all:
https://archive.ph/6Gtwu No. 1903918
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Always so proud of their pathetic pube beards kek
>>1903718>I honestly think there are more bisexual men than gay men just because homosexuality seems to be so rare, but what do I know, scrote sexuality is an anomalyActually more men identify as gay than men who identify as bi, and women who identify as gay. More women identify as bi than women who identify as gay, and men who identify as bi. I'm referring to studies and surveys that occurred before the queer bullshit took over. I have no idea what the numbers are now. Heard like 40% of youth in some cases identify as not straight when that number had consistently been around 5% for both sexes across all age groups until the queer nonsense took over.
No. 1903927
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sage for slight blog but relevant.
i haven’t been to this thread in a minute so forgive me if it’s been discussed, but has anyone seen the new sex education season? TIFs and TIMs everywhere. literally the ‘popular’ couple at the school is a disgusting frog voiced TIF, and her ‘girlfriend’ is a weird little twink TIM. i didn’t watch the first episode (my roommate did and told me about it) but apparently there was a ‘trans joy’ sex scene. horrifying. (thankfully my roommate is secretly gender crit too so we’ve been gossiping about the troons we see on campus and are equally grossed out about it). picrel, it’s of the couple
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>>1899451violetdioxazine on tumblr, she made lots of funny comics but unfortunately left the platform
No. 1903930
>>1903626I've definitely seen girls say they're transitioning because they didn't want to be an evil straight woman (but a man is less evil? Lol).
Had someone block me on Twitter for saying I don't hate straight people too. Incredible.
No. 1903971
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This makes me laugh.
There's an obvious difference between a girl simply using a shortened version of her name and a young girl saying she's actually not a girl and that she wants to go by he/him or they/them , that she wants to be put on hormones and eventually get surgery , etc.
As much as these people don't want to acknowledge it , parents have the right to know about these situations and the right to keep their kid from transitioning on any lvl
No. 1903980
>>1903927"popular couple" lmao what a joke
i can't wait until this era is over and people start critiquing all this cringe content as the dark age it is
No. 1904023
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why are tifs always like this and yes she is dating a man and gleams about how they’re totally gay for each other
No. 1904025
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terrifying
No. 1904027
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>>1904023of course her bio is predictable and embarrassing
No. 1904032
>>1904025Holy shit this made me shiver, actual mutilation and the skin layers look stapled together, why won't her family/friends say fucking something, it looks horrible…
I bet she would regret it so fucking much, we should use these pics and plaster them on signs. TIFs believe they're gonna walk out with cutesy, half moon looking scars when in reality they look like horror movie butcher
victims. Doing this to deal with mild psychological distress and internalized misogyny is just so fucking hateful towards her….
No. 1904041
>>1903971Sage for OT but Claire Willett is horrible, she's the epitome of the Gen X / older Millennial who rejected her conservative upbringing and is now really into being an "ally aunt." Many such cases, but I feel like this doesn't get talked about enough. There are a lot of fortysomethings who are really invested in being "supportive" of younger "queer" kids, not even in a groomer way, but just because they grew up as outsiders in conservative communities and feel like they're paying it forward by being an "ally." They shut their eyes to seeing the modern social contagion for what it is and tell themselves it's exactly the same as when 1980s evangelicals were persecuting the one gay boy in their high school, who was nice to them because they were a fat theater kid.
Also, newspaper receipts for the "trans homecoming queen in 1992" or it didn't happen
No. 1904086
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My gf sent me this one she found in the wild. The must struggle moustache I've ever seen kek
No. 1904115
>>1904086The other day my pharmacist with a legendary PCOS pube stache went "EXCUSE ME." when this nb-looking zoomer w her mom were at the counter. idk what was said before that, but the kid (young adult) started crying and left w her mom w their bag.
I know she's not on T bc I go in their every two weeks and bc the nature of my meds, we joke about our periods and she's always been v empathetic. So in my head canon she was asked her pronouns lmfao
She looks so different to me now, her PCOS mustache is like a wispy little Iranian lady's unibrow haha. Mad radfem energy.
No. 1904121
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>>1904025The moment I saw this video I had to get to this thread asap. This is fucking disgusting. I can't believe she really chose to mutilate herself. It seems like her scars are doing that weird thing where some of them get that weird triangle jutting out the side. There is no way she's happy with this. I feel she knows deep down inside that shes following a trend that will pass in a few years for some stupid temporary internet fame.
No. 1904151
>>1904121It's called a dog ear. The surgeons do such a horrendously sloppy job that they just leave that among other horrible mistakes in. The tif teet yeeting community treats them as this cutesy little transmasc quirk when it's literally them being fucking butchered and having loose flaps of skin, busted sutures, numb deformed nipples, and leftover chunks of flesh jutting out. And this is being done to girls as young as twelve.
>>1904041I notice the trend with these older progressives is that unsurprisingly they are quite sheltered, often well-off, straight, white, etc. They enjoy the rush they get from being seen as a protective ally mama bear. It's not pedophilia but it's creepy as fuck nonetheless. They don't actually care about "trans kids" or "queer kids" because if they did they'd actually look into this shit. They only care about virtue signaling and that sweet sweet validation. This can apply to men too, but that just makes it creepier. It's often the case that straight people and especially straight men get praised a lot more for "allyship" than any woman or minority because naturally gendies believe they are entitled to the support of minorities and especially women, whereas they believe men deserve rewards for cooperating. How very progressive of them.
No. 1904157
>>1904115I have PCOS and I'd bet good money the zoomer thought she was a troon and probably said some cringe shit about "muh visible kweer elders!!!". I'm not as offended any more when people assume I'm male or a TIF; but if it's a tranny talking to me, I will make sure that I react with visible disgust so they know how I feel about them, kek.
>>1904121Cannot do a single thing without posting it online. When the asspats stop and her audience gets bored, she's gonna have one hell of a depressive episode, realising that she covered herself in stupid tattoos and butchered her healthy body for "content".
>>1904150I thought her results wouldn't be this botched as, given the short wait time, she must've went private. Bleak.
No. 1904179
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>>1904025>>1904121she has to know deep down she done goofed
No. 1904377
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>>1904027YWNBAC: You Will Never Be Alice Cooper.
No. 1904391
>>1904377You’re the best nona. Love this!
None of these faggots could ever.
No. 1904399
>>1903927Yeah, cringe and disgusting. Even the nonbinary binder arc in S3 was cringe and disgusting, but troon suicide baiting to get top surgery funded by the school? What the fuck. So manipulative and horrible.
And the "popular couple" and troon euphoria sex eww.
No. 1904401
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Not a TIF, but many TIFs were "God I wish that were me" or "good for him".
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it's neither, actually. it's just a big clit.
No. 1904458
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>>1904121The replies are so sad
No. 1904465
>>1904462like imagine you're building a car (female) and a wheelbarrow (male). You start by bringing out 4 tires - so it's not a car nor a wheelbarrow yet because all you have are tires. Then there's a point where you either put the tires on a car-frame using all 4 tires, or on a wheelbarrow-frame using 1 tire. Having 3 extra tires left doesn't mean the wheelbarrow "started off as a car".
this is a dumb fucking analogy lmao can't be bothered to explain it better
No. 1904571
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>>1904516Total Drama Island
No. 1904573
>>1904571I doubt this is it, but it would be
really funny if it was.
No. 1904588
>>1904547>Ezra, Levithose just want to be soft non threatening jewish boiz.
>Gabrielthe damage that supernatural/the entire superwholock did…
No. 1904649
>>1904547I saw a TIF on tumblr use Levi as her name and said that it was short for "Leviathan", kek. That's something you'd name your DA tier donut steal OC, not yourself.
>>1904588>those just want to be soft non threatening jewish boiz.This. A lot of them pretend to be converts too, but judging by their complete lack of knowledge about scripture, holidays, and culture I think the majority of them are lying about it (jewfishing? kek). They probably didn't go any further than googling the nearest synagogue, buying a gay or trans flag kippah from etsy and a Magen David necklace that looks like it came out of a cereal box.
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Another victim of "I hate being perceived as woman and being a tomboy is not enough, so cutting my tits will help me out".
No. 1904864
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On an Instagram reel about how siouxsie sioux's goth femininity rejects pregnancy or some shit and that somehow relates to the goth subculture having a "love affair with trans femmes" (tims), and of course tifs are in the comments like "omg something slightly gnc? I totally relate cos my retarded ass I think gnc means not a woman!" Sick of gendies trying to twist anything slightly interesting or out of the norm into pushing their regressive shit that they swear is progressive. Also kek @ tifs having to insert themselves into something claiming to celebrate tims cos tifs barely get the same kind of attention.
No. 1904894
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clicked on this video that was recommended to me on youtube and within the first 30 seconds this guy starts referring to this girl as his "boyfriend" and at first i assumed he was joking until he did it a second time 30 seconds later, then i looked up her twitter and sure enough, this woman is considered a grown man by the "trans men are men" crowd.
tragic.
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>>1904957ayrt here, when i saw him my first thought was that he looks like the bastard son of the two main guys from mr meaty. he also sounds retarded.
No. 1905245
>>1904839i bet they identified as EdGy or not like other girls. there are already so many women who like horror so it makes sense they'd like it too but many horror movie fandoms are small, "
problematic" or they're full of normies, they stick to stuff that has more representation (aka more TIFs) or looks more visually appealing. so that's why they like cartoons and stuff
>>1905010don't let some random TIF stop you from doing or liking shit
>>1904972KEK
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And the comments say they have dysphoria about their handwriting
No. 1905291
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This is the top post on their reddit now. This is exactly what i would imagine true and honest men talking about. She doesn't even count herself as one in the title.
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>>1905248wow i guess all the men who wrote in cursive for the past few centuries were secretly mtf troons.
fucking gendie brainrot
No. 1905446
>>1905357LMFAO
next logical step from TIF Hamilton kinnies
No. 1905490
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Trying to find milk in the "mlm" and "t4t" tags on Tumblr, but it's hard to wade through all the nauseating pictures. It's just a deluge of pimply, hairy hamplanets advertising their "sex work" with horrifically unsexy selfies. I have no idea how someone can look at this shit and arrive at the conclusion that these women are mentally stable enough to undergo major cosmetic surgery.
And anyone who points out that actually, penis-having gay men don't use the toothpaste flag, "mlm" or "achillean," is 100% right. Obviously Tumblr is a very female-dominant site to begin with, but every single blog I moused over was a TiF or enby. All of the posts were very girly and infantile, too, generally things like "uwu i want a boyfriend who will pet my hair," and "omg boys are so soft, i wuv boys." It's so clear that these women transition at least in part because they want to express these very teenage-girl-y attitudes towards "BOIZ!!1!" and feel ashamed to unless it's re-contextualized in a way that makes it progressive or counter-cultural.
No. 1905557
>>1905514I guess that explains why I see so many of them with the name Vince or Vincent. I should have known they’re trying to skinwalk musicians, I just thought they picked it because it sounded like a unique but soft artsy boy name. Occasionally when I run into true crimer columbiner type accounts it’s always a he/it 15yo who goes by Dylan. They really just pick the most wildly unfitting names from their special interests kek, Letterboxd put out an interview of this sperg today who’s watched Saw over 200 times and supposedly legally changed her name to one of the characters name.
https://letterboxd.com/journal/watched-to-death-saw-obsessive-rewatcher-horror/#Not that milky of an article but reactions on social media were just calling her weird kek and her deep trans related take on Saw was that Lawrence Gordon wears blue and suits because he needs to validate his gender.
No. 1905583
>>1905544kek
Don’t play dumb. Testosterone artificially introduced to a female body shortens the woman’s life span.
No. 1905643
>>1905588Nta but
>Baby…
Also, estrogen causes heart issues and some cancers in men. It also seems to similarly inflict men with osteo as it does with women and T. Both women and men have E and T naturally produced in them, but throwing off a natural and the standard hormonal balance in the body causes a lot of fucked up issues.
No. 1905645
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This is beyond depressing, TIF/Poly crossover
No. 1905649
>>1904894does she really not realize that guy is just pretending to think she's a man so he can get laid, tragic. literally all he has to do is call her his boyfriend and go "yes babe your tits are so manly, you're so
valid"
No. 1905650
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>>1905649Yeah, it's a common thing. KF fags recently even has a big thread where some of the male users admitted to doing it themselves for an easy lay.
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here's another bizarre phalloplasty picture from reddit. this tif kept saying she had 2 dicks in the comments. i looked at the photos and didn't get it at all, but then i realized that's her clit under the limp flesh noodle.
doesn't sound like it was worth it. she feels light strokes and touches apparently. no mention of sexual feelings. it all seems so pointless.
No. 1905677
>>1905645Checking OP's account is bleak. In chronological order:
>"Came out as trans" two years ago, at age 21 after apparently struggling with "dysphoria" for three years>All but admits that graduating from high school acted as a catalyst for mental health issues and an identity crisis>By then she was already a self-proclaimed "daily toker">Immediately wanted to bind her chest>Started taking T injections about a year ago, so her medicalization was fast-tracked>Claims she's more anxious about using said injections each time she uses them>The shots also hurt more each time>She's been skipping shots because they make her faint, but she still wants to continue taking them>Seemingly blames personal ineptitude for her problems with the shots>Started balding on 6 months of T>Became defensive and insisted that she "isn't an idiot" and "did her research" when someone told her balding is a common side effect of T>Basically "I knew about it but I didn't think it would happen to me">Claims that she hasn't done research into topical T a couple months later, despite this>Her doctor's instructions on how to use the injections contradicted with what redditors and Google search results said>Presumably she changed how she took T according to how random strangers on the internet told her to do it>Three months after this, she develops rashes that her doctor casually dismisses as eczema>Apparently got a new type of T shot and didn't bother reading the instructions this time around>Mental health is rapidly declining, and she's aware of it>Wrote a post about "needing top surgery ASAP" immediately after making a post about how her mental health is in the gutter>Proposed to her gf(?) of four years, and two weeks later, fiancée starts "working" as a sugar baby, despite OP's clear discomfort with this>Fiancée claims that it's "just work" and that OP is the "only one for (her)", but polyamory was apparently brought up as a possibility earlier in their relationship>Attributes her anguish over her fiancée cheating on her and prostituting herself to her dysphoria and nothing else>Keeps repeating "my emotions are getting in the way" when talking about her relationship to her fiancée>Claims she's been using alcohol to cope, questions if she's an alcoholicI'm sure she would insist that it's just a coincidence that her "dysphoria" and mental health issues kicked in after a year of being in a relationship with her current partner, who seems determined to sleep with people other than her.
No. 1905682
>>1905655what are terms for men who prey on tifs? Bearded lady enthusiasts?
while these guys are of course gross the girls had it coming with their dumb asses thinking real gay men wants to fuck their bussy. this is what fetishizing gay men gets you. Even worse when the girls proudly calls all their past boyfriends gay for having had sex with a "man"
also got me thinking, tims call themselves t-girls but i've never seen tifs call themselves e-boys lol i know it's already a term but you'd expect them to make some kind of variation of it
No. 1905720
>>1903663it's difficult to feel bad for someone who didn't research all of this thoroughly before deciding to go on fucking hormones. also, there are so many options to prevent pregnancy if you're not living in a third world country. that's on you and the dumbass dude who knocked you up.
>>1904025they always look so filthy, crusty and harboring infections. why are surgeons allowed to do this btw? why the medieval-type cutting when we have less invasive procedures for breast removal? not that i condone any of this but.. ?
>>1904516kek it's just another one of those "pretty" male names that they use. noah, ezra, aiden, damien, ambrose, kai, oliver, ash… you never see a trans guy named steve.
No. 1905753
>>1905640That's why most of the time when people says "men write about their fav pairings/mlm stories too", you know that they mean TIFs. I can count with my fingers how many gay men are into Fandom stuff and even then, they're more quiet than TIFs.
>>1905720You would even think they would have used the male version of their name or middle name, but probably that counts in the "deadname" shit.
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Lmao found this reddit post..it's a trip to read
No. 1905790
>>1905663It has hair.
It has fucking hair.
No. 1905984
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>>1905883>>1905891And with tattoos you can remove them with laser or covering that shit. How do you bring your boobs back when you removed almost all the muscles that surrender them? Implants? Good luck on that.