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21 year old "family friendly pet mom" Youtuber, her 32 year old junkie boyfriend Jonny Craig, and her creepy controlling mother.
Previous thread: >>>/pt/630917
The basics:> Taylor is a notorious animal hoarder known for collecting 40+ rare and exotic pets and manhandling/mistreating them for the sake of her Youtube channel which has over 1 million subscribers. Several pets have died in her care, many more have fallen ill due to her neglect or disappeared after "rehoming" them. Fails to give proper enclosures for many of her pets, including overstuffing fish tanks, keeping her kittens locked in the bathroom, and her mouse and hedgehog in the closet.> Jonny Craig is the frontman of the band Slaves and is most well-known for being an outspoken abusive junkie. He has been in and out of rehab centers for a decade now and has been kicked out of multiple bands and off of tours for his behavior. He is usually homeless when he does not have a girlfriend to leech off of.> Several of Jonny's ex-girlfriends have come out with stories of Jonny's physical and sexual abuse, including rape at knife-point. His ex Chelsea confided this in Taylor when she and Jonny first started dating, in which Taylor's response was to laugh with Jonny and make a public spectacle of it.> Taylor loves to throw pity parties for herself and dodge around the real issues when faced with criticism about her husbandry, hoarding, and hypocrisy. She can never keep her stories straight and will tell outright lies only to contradict them hours later. Her fans are sycophants who only encourage her.
Facebook (private:) https://www.facebook.com/Taylor.Nicole.Dean
List of all Taylor's pets:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QNUksDcQk_cqLTkTFTiPjP2pCGBQgORyCesIIqvZ2Zs/edit?pli=1
Stats of Taylor’s pets and history:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e8bakM4GHa2J1y4qwYsB-T0jSpN5uWCI_q0dv-odij4/htmlview#
New Milk:> Has returned from over a month long hiatus (for now)> Versatile Reptiles, Breezexotixs, and whatever (video anon) are verified with Tripcodes> Still never made an apology video for slandering South Texas Dragons> Admits to live feeding, and knocking rodents out with blunt force instead of a CO2 chamber (as recently as mid Nov, also leaving a live feeder alone with her snake for 20 mins, only checking on it once)> Mushu has been shown without much gill feathering left recently shown much more clearly with facial scarring, even less feathering and stressed posturing> Attempted to purchase two new crocodile skinks on the down low before a smaller pettuber ratted on the cover-up of the deaths> Claiming that she's one of the few pettubers that is actually up front with the accident and the issues they have, despite trying to continuous hide the deaths of her mantis shrimp, lionfish, skinks, pacman frog etc for weeks-months after they happened> More enclosures being shown with completely empty water dishes> Cheese died suddenly, convenietly when she released new merch featuring him, has been pushing her merch harder than usual> She has alluded to a ‘friend’ that has a cowfish twice the size of cheese that she may replace Cheese with (if she hasn’t already)> Gave Cheese a “viking funeral” then sent him for autopsy (put him on a boat during a monetized video)> Videos calling out her care have stated to take over searches for her> In combination with the call-out videos on YT, after she posted the video of Cheese’s “funeral” TND began to hemmorage subscribers> Other pettubers began making (monetized) videos to defend TND and claiming that they were worried that “the bullying against Taylor” might ‘make her’ self harm> Other pettubers begin distancing themselves from TND> TND shuts off comments on the videos and instagram posts around cheese amid mass criticism > Has been bouncing deactivations on her twitter and instagram during the controversy around Cheese> Admitted to heroin and coke use, admitted to not being clean for the last two months, confirmed Jonny isn’t clean either> Accused Breezeotics of sexual misconduct> Jonny was booted from Slaves> TND claims that both her and Jonny are now in an out-patient rehab program> Claims that all of the drama two months ago caused her relapse> Recent Known Deaths: Orchid Mantis, Mantis Shrimp, Pacman Frog, Crocodile Skinks, Zazu, Cheese
Unconfirmed Milk:> Ursula (Halloween Crab) died of a mismolt, was possibly replaced with another female crab.> Electrical malfunction story was fabricated. Croc Skinks died of dehydration due to her not giving them enough water during a heatwave. Pacman frog died of malnutrition due to only being fed mice. > Gucci escaped from their enclosure and was missing for 2 months. Taylor bought Parada as a replacement. Gucci was found in Gus’ enclosure after eating him. Taylor claimed Gus died of old age. > Kronos speculated to have died, he was shown consistantly lethargic and dehydrated, made no appearance in the google ad for Betsy, despite being “partially her pet”
All Previous Threads:
General Pettuber Thread:>>>/snow/730730
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Ohhhhh my god this girl just will not stop yacking up lie after lie
SHE. USED. WITH. BREE.
WTF, why is she trying to lie???
I agree her family needs to step in.. opiate addiction is life and death, especially with all the fentanyl around.
They prob don't know much about addiction. I hope they section her if it's legal in texas.
Until she can stop with the excuses, stop lying about animal deaths/replacements and endangering their lives, stop dragging people's names through the mud, and own up to the fact that she was WRONG and possibly even apologize (forgive me, I'm probably expecting too much from her. Taylor, APOLOGIZE? unheard of), I highly doubt she'll be receiving much sympathy from people here.
If she can't do that, she seems 100% like an actual narcissist and narcissists are not deserving sympathy, sorry.
I agree she needs help. She may not be the perfect person, but that's beside the point. She is only, what, 22? She is injection heroin, probably fentanyl, into her body. The most dangerous time for an addict to use opiates is when they're on and off trying to get clean, as their tolerance goes down and the use too much not realizing it's went down. The manipulative behavior is seen in EVERY addict.. they are essentially blinded to their own behavior by their disease. Many people here clearly aren't familiar with addiction.
I agree it's awful to witness. I hope her family steps in.>>630977
Actually, by the time people shoot up, they're usually heavy into their disease. Hers probably started with either percocets or sniffing heroin. Or even a line of coke. Shit, maybe even with alcohol. Then, it takes over from there, and her choices are increasingly not hers. And I'm sure Jonny was NO HELP in getting her to stop. In fact, I'm sure he was active in getting her to use and to continue to use.
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She was a manipulative PoS before the drugs though.
She abused her animals before the drugs… before JC.
She's been on a downward spiral for a while.
are you rewired soul?
she honestly kind of has my sympathy at this point, but she's definitely not without fault here. she lies even when she is clean. or when she claims to have been clean. she might just have a personality disorder judging by the amount of lying and manipulation she engages in. she def needs help
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Thank you. Sadly only people who have worked or lived with addicts and DV victims get it.
It's easy to judge before you understand.
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This pettuber commented this on The Rewired Soul's video. IDK if she is friends with TND or not
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No I'm not a man. I just watched the Dory fish video when I was considering buying a Dory fish for my kids and realised it was a bad idea! So she isn't all bad. I had never heard of lolcow until I saw the twitter stuff today, and was so shocked to read this level of hatred.
I wanted to write so that if you do read this Taylor you realise not everyone hates you. This is a small and apparently very angry bit of the internet. You have no idea what's going on in these peoples home lives to make them this upset at a stranger. And they don't really know what's going on with yours. It is never too late. Help is there and the feeling of this small (and I imagine very young) minority don't reflect those of people you would be seeking help from.
Texas Domestic Violence hotline number is 18007873224
National Suicide Prevention 18002738255
Please get help or anyone else who is struggling please seek help experienced people will not judge you they will listen and try and help x
'me and you against the world, babe'
he is predictable dogshit and she's a dumbass.
If you are new here, you need to read up. She's no innocent angel being led astray by JC. She's an animal abuser. People dislike her for good reason.
She is no role model to the thousands of little kids that watch her.
She should be cancelled.
You clearly do not know the half of what she's done, so don't come here pretending you do.
how do we even know this is at a clinic? this could obviously be at a tattoo shop, the back of a restaurant, at the mall. or it's just me just believing her anymore about anything.>>630982
Taylor NEEDS to get off social media because everytime she types, it's all lies and hypocrisy.
Her parents need to step in instead of going on twitter and enabling her addiction. being 21 years old isn't an excuse about how a parent can't be there because you're an "adult". My mother would knock down my doors like an FBI agent and drag me home if ever she founds out i'm doing drugs with my boyfriend.. no matter what age i am. You would be the worse person ever if you wanted to take your own mother to court just because she's forcing you to be sober and fix your life right.
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I'm gonna tell myself that this is Papa Dean or the mastermind family member behind his twitter account
What? Taylor, making a somewhat reasonable decision?
Is today opposite day, or has she finally gotten the fucking message that she has too many pets?
How dare you? Who are you?! Reality is the woman on my books who tried to leave her abusive partner 2 months ago and he strangled her to death. They had a 6 year old child. Amazingly all the people who blamed her had their tail between their legs at her funeral talking about how they had tried to help. The most dangerous place for a woman in the US is in her own home with her own partner. That's reality.
I absolutely don't believe I can help Taylor. But you can by stop writing horrible things on the internet about what a PoS she is and how saggy her breasts look!!
Seriously try harder. No one gives a flying fuck about her saggy tits.
A bit riled up? I've didn't know bullying on this level existed.
Why aren't you going after a chicken battery farm? Or a dog shelter that puts most of their dogs to sleep?
If you don't care about everything simultaneously, you can't care about anything.
Lmao literally no one here has ever said that Taylor has saggy tits. You must have confused this thread with Momo's.
The only common remarks on her appearance are the ones about how the gallons of silicone she's injected into her lips make her mouth look like a baboon's ass.
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idk maybe cause she’s even said Atta is light sensitive, but Taylor put her under some bright lights with flowers for aesthetics
The drama will continue long after this idiot is gone, anon, I promise.
This CleanSlate place sounds like a really quick fix. Also sounds like a chain for recovery, pretty ghoulish, but I guess everybody follows the money.
I mean, Jonny is dead as fuck. I sincerely hope that the wonderful, not-money-chasing counselors at CleanSlate told TND it's in her best interests to get tested for every std under the sun, and hep on top of that. His liver failure is because of hep, yes?
You know they shared needles, it's too romantic to Taylor's tard brain not to.
read the rules please. common courtesy when starting to post on a new site/community.>>631068
you on the other hand will have to understand that we're talking about a public figure who has willingly put details of her life out there for everyone to see. the moment she stops this is the moment we have literally nothing to talk about. these threads almost dying when she disappeared from twitter for 1.5 months is a testament to that. here's to hoping she disappears for a few months again and comes back with her life turned around for the better.
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Looks like they are or were at the CleanSlate in San Antonio, definitely. Same chairs and floor tile. Jonny is going to go on sub, watch. No way he's getting clean. Taylor will relapse every single time he gets high.
more pics at https://www.cleanslatecenters.com/san-antonio-texas
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Another view, same chairs. So depressing, they have a kid corner.
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confirmation taylor has been reading lolcow, because there’s no other way she could know bree said she didn’t have the screencaps
I've read the rules and I'm not white knighting. I'm giving clear reasons for defending her.
Why should you be cruel to people simply because they're in the public eye? I refuse to believe if she came back in 3 months having dumped her bf and bought some bigger cages doing a full all my pets tour showing they're fine you would just be like OK it's all good?
You would just say she's lying and they're all replacement animals.
Yeah but fam, we both know she never gonna be clean and is going to kill all her animals slowly.
Just saw the vid of Ghost, jesus that's an obese cat. Poor thing.
I dont believe for one second they're on their way to recovery. They're only doing this for show because everyone is counting on them and to show off to her stans. I'm pretty sure we'll never hear from this EVER again starting next week.
The way they're so "dedicated" to staying home aka doing drugs until they pass out, they would actually need sign up at a rehab facility, where they are separated from each other and the internet, and stay there until they don't even remember what drugs feels like. Pretty sure, Taylor doesn't want to do that when the internet is where she gets her money and "love" from her stans. and jonny… well he just wants money, shoes, sex, and drugs.
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Tyler tryna act like he's not complicit. Yeah ok
Just saying, I'm not 631085.. different person, though I don't disagree with some of what that person says. But I am one who is aware of the dangers of opiate use and think that she needs help.>>631088
I agree. She needs inpatient. And jonny needs long-term inpatient treatment. That'd be a great way for her to get rid of him for a while too so she can start to come to her senses. They need to get away from each other for a bit (hopefully for good). He acts like they're in it together, but that's so unhealthy. They both need their own treatment, separate from each other.>>631094
I agree they don't sound like they're ready for or committed to treatment. Jonny especially.. he's been at this a while and knows what he needs to do. Yet he's sitting there acting like it's him and Taylor against the world. Dude is so fucked in the head
Gus was about 1.5 years old when he died. He was not an old mouse. I have a 3.1 year old mouse right now that's healthy and fighting fit.
Him being eaten is too bizarre to lie about tbh. I wasn't sure I believed at first but either way he died before his time.
Her other animals are sick… I'd be surprised if Mushu lasts much longer tbh.
I know how to look after snakes, and they look OK. The ball python is a bit overweight yes but she is dealing with it. Much better than burnt and skinny. They are clearly getting enough heat and food, and they must have clean enclosures or they wouldn't eat (the BP at least).
You are absolutely right it is awful if that happened to the skinks. IF it happened. Where is the evidence? Why would she tell anyone from the Pettube community if that happened for them to leak it? It doesn't make sense.
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Mental health nurse, herpetologist. Check this guy out. kek
Her snakes are morbidly obese, if you knew anything about snakes you'd know how bad this is for them. They have had decades of their lives shaved off in the condition they're in.
Taylor also admitted in screenshots frying her animals to death. She tried to buy replacements.
You're too much anon. Stop shouting your mouth off and go back to Fortnite or wherever 12 year olds hang out these days.
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I dont think so. Seems like a gift from someone
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Fans think Taylor cares about them. Here's a past fan who has heard otherwise therefore confirming when I have said she speaks poorly of fans often.
Don't you have to be using consistently for a long
time for it to stop being an enjoyable high and start just being the new normal, like, several months to a year at least? Not just two months. I don't buy it. Either she's lying about how long she was using or she's lying about her ability to care for her animals (or both.) Please correct me if I'm wrong, I've never been addicted to opiates, but I have had this experience with weed. Not sure if it's the same, I would think it would take even longer for heroin to stop getting you high (though you would still be addicted to the feeling of it) and start just being "normal".
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I've been keeping pet snakes for 25 years, I currently have four. That doesn't make me a herpetologist.
Are you a herpetologist? Where is the evidence that a young snake being obese at one point, before losing the weight, will knock decades off its lifespan?
Absolutely what she says happened to her skinks/frog is dreadful and must have been awful for the animals. But an electrical mistake. She didn't mean to cause them harm. I check on my snakes in the morning, go to work for 9/10 hours, then come home and spend time with them in the evening. Does that make me an abuser too? Are you with your snakes all day every day? Don't you go to work? Can only unemployed people have snakes? How do they afford the vet fees?
Her snakes are /still/ obese and getting fatter.
She didn't check on her animals (if her story is to be believed which is it not after the other pettubers came forward), after an electrical fault for 10+ hours and allowed them to boil to death. Her frog was clearly deformed from MBD before he died.
Your trolling is boring, this is all evidenced in past threads, read up and wise up. You're clearly a bored 12 year old stan.
And how do you know Bree's telling the truth? Those texts looked like she was lying.
She said she wanted to be a villian. Why would Taylor tell her about it in the first place?(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
I don’t believe a word Taylor says, but if this is true.. the rest of them are just as complicit in it. Remaining silent when your “friend” is being made to feel uncomfortable is not ok.
But I also don’t buy it. That story on behalf of Taylor has changed multiple times.
Taking account the group’s interactions with Bree, Jayce, and even Emzotic, it’s pretty clear that whatever Taylor says goes, regardless of it being the truth or not.
And it’s also pretty clear none of them are friends. They just follow whatever narrative she’s presenting, and it’s for personal benefit. Look how quick they all were to jump to her defense, going as far as making a video about cyberbullying, only to conveniently distance themselves from the drama ~to focus on themselves~. They’re a joke. With friends like that, who needs enemies?
>>631145>Where is the evidence that a young snake being obese at one point, before losing the weight, will knock decades off its lifespan?
because this is how ectothermic animals work. If you feed them to excess whilst keeping them at high temperatures they metabolise at an excess rate, which shortens their lifespan. Conversely an underfed, under-heated reptiles will live for longer. These are the basic facts of metabolism in ectotherms and how things like brumination and hibernation work.
> But an electrical mistake.
The electrical "mistake" she describes is not possible and she should have had both timer plugs and surge protectors as additional failsafes. Even if we believe her stupid story it still shows her care is unacceptable.
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"Kronos…. huh, the name sounds familiar.." looks at enclosure where a skeleton of a dead roughneck monitor is laying
"Idk who that is but sure I'll make a video on him!"
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Necklace was a gift, not urn or ash jewelry
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I’m not a bearded dragon expert but does twisty look skinny?
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Do you think she's going to continue to get sponsorship's now this is all out? I honestly don't think she's going to recover from this.
Pic related lol.
You were literally just saying they'll both get high off of it, and now you're saying "thank you for letting her know she will get high off of it".. not very sharp huh?
And I bet her tolerance is pretty high up there- she has the money to get a lot of it. So I really doubt subs would get her high.
The problem with Taylor is she wants a quick fix.
one of the "solutions" below is bullshit.
If I told a Junkie getting sober was gonna be hard, take time in a facility, be extremely painful and involve changing your lifestyle, habits and friends she'd tell me to fuck off.
If I told that junkie this magic shot will fix everything in ten days and cost $2000.
Which one of them do you think she'd choose?
Some doctors don't want you to get better just paying for crap that doesnt work. I've experienced this first hand.
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No, I'm serious. I've been on buprenorphine for 5 years. I think it would be a better idea for them to get on sub strips, or AT LEAST the probuphine implant than these shots. The only reason they're taking the Vivitrol shot is because they don't trust themselves, obviously. I'm betting my left tit that Johnny is going to try to break through the threshold to get high, and OD. Or he's going to IV something when their next month comes up and OD that way, either way I don't see him not ODing. Sub/bupe seems a hell of a lot safer. >>631223
Huh. Why would chewing it get you high? I know shooting it up gets you high but that's because of the bioavailability, right?
I don't think anyone is blaming them for keeping their revenue safe. They're calling them out for being hypocrites when theres reason to suspect they knew she had a drug problem. They're also cowards because they wouldnt call her out privately probably when she needed to hear it the most, at risk to their own channels.
Her parents are partly to blame for her shitty attitude. I don't think they're particularly good role models but I don't doubt they love Taylor and will help her if she asks.
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Johnny posted this one
We dont know whats going on behind they scenes, they could have been trying to help her, they also may not have know how bad it got. If they spoke out about her their channels would be dead, and people would label them liars/snitchs and call them awful friends. They are in a shitty position and keep in mind hey are all in their 20s they are still really young and its an impossible situation. They would also risk losing Taylor as a friend, i think they are all genuinely friends.
I have no doubt her parents are shitty or that Tyalor didn’t get the support/attention she needed. I also have no doubt she has an untreated/diagnosed mental illness (not gonna get into that.) but in this situation i think they are doing what they can. Also i think they should lay off twitter but thats up to them.
You know what's really crazy? Any one of the pet tuber crew could make a video calling taylor out for her behavior and for being a drug addict and unable to take care of her animals. they would probably gain a ton of subs from Taylor… directly. they are really blindly loyal, I have no clue why.
If I was Tyler, I'd be editing the video (with receipts) right now.
A good plan for her would be to go to a detox and have jonny get into long-term treatment. I'm sure she could talk to some of his friends to help convince him to go. Then, she will have some time away from him and hopefully come to her senses.
She could have someone watch her animals- a legit caretaker- and she could make them sign a non-disclosure agreement so that they can't talk about any of her animals and it's legally binding. She could even rehome some of her animals after detox and tell people which she rehomed, etc. Literally nobody would be mad.. people would be relieved. And again, she'd get time away from jonny to clear her mind
That sounds great, I would love if she did even one of those things. All of the together would be amazing.
We can all dream I guess.
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Sorry for samefagging, but I found this on her most recent post.
Hahahaha, yeah, we're all super jealous of her 100k debt to the tax man and her junkie boyfriend that got kicked from yet ANOTHER band and her opiate addiction. Riiiight.
Also, Taylor, it's not slander if it's true…
This. It's a joke that he is doing out patient. He almost died
and he still didn't want to get clean. What is out patient going to do??
And if he's not getting clean, she isn't going to be either.
They're just fooling everyone again. It used to be believed that Jonny was the manipulator, because of the reasons we had to believe it. There wasn't as much on Taylor. Now its obvious that it's definitely both of them that manipulate and lie to everyone.
They deserve each other. They're both so shitty. They're the same kind of person.
Comments also help the engagement astronomically. It kicks the YT into the algorithms.
I hope she makes a new video about this situation.
Having a dope habit is expensive… I wouldn't be surprised if they've spent over 30k within the last 6 months.. that's about 2 grams of dope for each per day, and that's if they were getting a rly good price($35/gram).
Past 3 months I wouldn't be surprised if they spent $20k just on dope. Their habits could be a lot worse too. 2 grams a day isn't a huge habit- they could definitely afford more. And in some places, a gram is twice as much as I calculated.
IMO her best course of action is to get a restraining order like his ex did and get him out. He is the instigator in the relationship. Sadly I don't think she's going to. She thinks shes "in love" with him. I dont even think she knows what sobriety means.
Sober = not habitually using
You arn't sober if you quit for a day Taylor.
Her family didn't know until now. Taylor said in >>>/pt/630908
, "It sucks that my family had to find out via the internet".>>631010
>I did the hard part and got crucified for it so I hope this is all worth it
No, he is not committed to getting sober.
Vivitrol is contraindicated for people with liver and kidney damage.
Well according to Jayce, she earns 40k monthly. Rent was on Jonny as a "gift" to her, but that's out of the window now. Rent is between $1200 and $2000. We know that she earns 15k per sponsored video, too, and a shiny debt to the IRS of 100k according to Jayce as well.
I don't think it's 2mil, considering she burns through cash fast, faster than the time she takes to earn it anyway. Otherwise she would've already moved into her "million dollar house" with Jonny to flex. She probably still has a cushion to get her through for another couple of months until she has to make another video.
don't forget the cost of all their toys (a lego set can be $300-$400), $6000 bracelet she broke, $90-200 for a pair of shoes, all the designer clothes they buy that jonny always post about, her $10,000 snake we never heard from again (ALSO WHERE IS HE NOW???), animal food+items, rent, internet, i'm assuming macbook pros, expensive cameras (for her videos she never does), disneyland trips, airplane rides (im assuming business class) and hundreds of dollars worth of expensive drugs. I'm also assuming she has no idea how to file taxes especially when you're self-employed that requires me in depth work with filing and that includes keeping track of where you're spending your money.
lol with this rate, she'll end up at those trailer parks with jonny..crying about how they're getting clean
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Looking at socialblade, she isn’t making those figures these days. She’s earning at best around 15k, compared to that 40k statistic from a few months ago. I know sb isn’t the most accurate, but it doesn’t surprise me at all that her income is plummeting. The YouTube algorithm is very unkind to people who stop making videos. I’m sure they’re being recommended less and less, and she’s probably only getting views and subs from people who search up specific animals and find her old care videos. She’s not going to be able to live off YouTube paychecks for much longer at this rate.
Someone above mentioned the price of the injection, but tbh I don't know. Maybe the prices are listed in CleanSlate's site?>>631332
It's really unwise for her to not have a consistent schedule, and it's even worse that she's pretty much stuck with one type of video (all my pets) if she wants to make cash. For someone who is all about herself, the videos who are actually about herself do not pull in many views.>>631335
Yeah but remember she also has merch and I think she had a paid sponsorship with Dolls Kill on instagram. Some kids probably got her merch for Christmas.
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Seeking pity, I suppose
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From Kim (Chelsea’s friend)
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PT. 5 (done)
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Do you think I would have asked instead of posting the cost if it were listed on their site?
The manufacturer has a savings program. This page also includes a list of side effects and contraindication warnings.https://www.vivitrol.com/co-pay-savings-program
This article discusses problems with the treatment model and its cost in comparison to other medical treatments.https://www.statnews.com/2017/06/29/vivitrol-methadone-opioids/
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I second this. She's just barely came forward with information, and not necessarily was it willingly done. It was because the information was put out to the public.
She will never get clean until she actually wants it.
And to the sounds of it, it doesn't seem like she does.
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She can't even take her own sobriety seriously
Im not see a happy ending for this farmers.
>Taylor continues to seek treatment>Taylor relapses>Taylor continues to seek treatment>Taylor slowly becomes irrelvant and succumbs to an addicts life of mediocrity
>Taylor trys to get clean>Jonny stops her from getting clean>Taylor forced to leave to get clean>Jonny kills animals for abandoning him
Best option would be to get him thrown out but hes made her his bitch. He owns her through her heroin dependence.
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here’s info on the Lindslay girl. I just looked her up
Taylor Dean Texts https://imgur.com/gallery/DHNVIDl
Here's the last form of contact I had with Taylor. I don't know if it's just my Instagram being glitchy or once someone else blocks you, you lose past convos. So when I rapidly ss it when I could I focused mainly on what Taylor said, I can't get the convo back to rescreenshot my parts.
As you can see there was not a single mention of sexual misconduct whatsoever. This was back in December before I ever posted on lolcow, 2 months after the trip has occurred and 1 text from November. She only decided to text me back after I made a tweet about exposing her. I tried to be a reasonable person and a good friend and solve things privately. All that happened was that I got manipulated into thinking it was all my fault once again.
I was never mad at Taylor cause she wouldn't be my friend, I was mad because she was a terrible friend despite my best efforts to care.
She twisted what occurred, telling me that they'd "message me when I got home" all the while she was talking about me and treating me like shit behind my back while I was still there, proven by her own screenshots. She's a master manipulator and I refused to fall for it a third time
is she the one who posted the five part piece as well?
she's chelsea's roommate?
The link doesn't work. Also, I'm not inclined to believe and side with you 100% if you're leaving out your side of the conversation, to me it seems like you would only do that to hide stuff you said to her to cover your own ass. If you want 100% credibility you gotta be 100% honest.
Also not sure why you keep going back and forth about not being able to view the messages, either they're there or they aren't, they're not gonna randomly disappear once you've found them. Screenshot the full conversation if you want us to fully support you, otherwise it looks like you're hiding stuff.
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yah its working now thank you Bree this whole situation really sucks
Taylor Nicole Deans Heroin Addiction Exposed
Published on Jan 25, 2019
This is concerning for obvious reasons.
my Twitter: smallbeansbigd1>>631430>>631432
Okay, i think Taylor needs to fucking quit, she is obviously spiraling and needs help, not to get into internet beef. But Bree gives me a bad vibe. I watched her livestream, and she was smirking at the camera watching the viewers pour in. She said she was taking all of this very seriously, then giggled when saying whether or not she was inappropriate, which made it look completely like she was lying (in my oppinion) She said that everything was going fine, and that none mentioned that she needed to stop or that they were uncomfortable, and then outed that as a lie in her screenshots she just posted. She said the phrase "I'll make sure they get what's coming to them." regarding to people who decided not to be her friend after whatever happened on that trip. She tried to give Taylor tips on lying better in a real smug way on the livefeed. And she said that their friend group was trying to tall Taylor out of an episode and flushed the drugs while Bree told an addict "you can bring drugs if you want" while wanting to do them herself and expecting that that excuses her. And on a personal note, she just sounded like an asshole while telling everyone how great her care, just annoyed me, but still. She comes off just as bad as Taylor to me. Maybe not just as bad, but I think of that many people all ahut you off at the same time, you had to do something kinda fucked up.
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this actually illustrates the whole scene so vividly and proves there was no need for taylor to cause any drama or spread any lies about bree… They both had misunderstandings caused by anxiety and addiction and they both failed to communicate effectively due to it. I don't know how old you are Bree but that's reminiscent of my own time at Taylor's age so I understand this whole situation much better now.
it's sad it all came to this. a relapse is no one's fault but taylor's and half-blaming bree because "she should have known how badly I want to stay clean!" despite taylor allegedly skyping while drugged out… really, what was bree supposed to expect when taylor herself snuck coke through airport security?
Did you want me to cry? I spent the whole night crying before hand. I was exhausted and cried out. I laughed at the bloody ridiculousness of the whole thing. Though I don't recall "smirking at the viewers pouring in" it likely could have just been my face. The amount of viewers made me nervous, I'm still not comfortable in general showing my face. I never gave Taylor tips at lying I stated she was a shit liar who couldn't keep a straight story. When talking about my animals I was comparing what I did with nothing vs what Taylor could be doing.
I'm nothing like Taylor and I've been nothing but open and people who know me know that. I was removed from the group because of agreeing to the drugs and only the drugs. I've thrown myself under the bus time and time again and admitted it was a shit choice. By all means hate me but for God's sake don't compare me to that snake
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T: hey come with me to this LA thing
T: hey i'm thinking of bringing drugs, want in?
B: sure if you wanna do them
T: ok i'll smuggle them across airport security breaking federal law
B: ok but only if you're comfortable doing that
B: wanna do those drugs?
T: HOW could you ENABLE ME you AWFUL EVIL MANIPULATIVE–
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It's an old picture, she posted like 4 things on instagram whining about how she used
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she seriously will never live up to her word
I will eat my shoe if she posts pictures of Kronos.
(Disclaimer: Footwear will not actually be consumed in the astronomically small event that photographs of Kronos are posted)
It's really sad and pathetic. If she wants to be "pretty" again she needs to work on it. The drugs have ruined her. The lip injections have ruined her - her lips do not look plump and luscious, they look swollen and uncomfortably large.
Reality hasn't truly hit her yet. Taylor needs to check into rehab and get clean, but not before rehoming a majority of her animals so she can focus on her own well being like her mental and physical health.
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tudy (former dope dealer) just posted this on twitter
Now that the other Slaves' members feel the need to speak out, funny how they only feel like talking about drug use. If they've got receipts on that, I'm sure there's stuff on his shitty behavior.
Correct me if I'm wrong though.>>631499
Thanks for hanging around and dealing with some bitter motherfuckers.
right? We have no reason to believe Bree will go straight to posting without her tripcode. If she does, I hope farmhands reveal that, because it would be hella shady and further discredit her.>>631512
your grandpa was wrong and also sexist, all women are not clones of their mothers ya know. there's a whole other set of DNA mixed in there. this comment is so weird and unwarranted
Would anons please post URLs?
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"a lot has changed in the past month"
Oh. So everything was cool before this month?
This reads like PR bullshit. Felt like she had to put out a statement, but still insisted on being as vague as possible. Taylor isn't Voldemort, just say her damn name, geez.
Emilee just made a tweet as well about the situation. Hers is a little bit less cookie cutter than Emma's, where she says that things have been changing a lot behind the scenes in the past month and that she couldn't help Taylor. She also agrees that she doesn't support drug use and that any animal not being properly cared for should be rehomed.
The tweets are pretty vague and don't directly call out or criticize Taylor the way they need to but just thought I'd update
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The first time Taylor mentioned it it was worded "She made advances toward me when I was drunk. She rubbed my body and kept bringing up how she liked to be with females. I vocalized I was uncomfortable and she continued."
I thought people were only telling her to stop talking about drugs. That's what I gathered from the screenshots anyway.
She's only shaping the opinion of people who are naive and inexperienced, and I think that's what she was banking on all this time, and why she could get away with it for so long. It's easy to shape the narrative when no one is willing to say anything against you, and for the longest time her stans and even JC's fans kept saying "well you don't know her so you can't criticize her".
But now that she has not only Jonny's band turning on them, but her little clique, and even friends who personally know them, the whole thing backfired on her. And it's really stupid of her to keep saying the band didn't know how to handle Jonny when Colin has known him for years. In Chelsea's livestream she mentioned Colin has known Jonny for forever, and that although it was hurtful he realized things until now, that the band did indeed take care of Jonny and actively tried to prevent him from doing drugs. She mentioned that the band would not let him have his cellphone and would not let him go to the bathroom alone. They would also visit him at the hospital.
So for Taylor to say Colin and the band didn't know how to work with Jonny must have really hit a nerve.
It really sucks because even though it's been only a year, so many things have happened that have involved animals' innocent lives. Having an addiction and being in an abusive relationship does not mean you get to be an asshole to people who are trying to help you. Mental illness is not an excuse to justify your manipulation and your behavior. This is what people who are trying so hard to be all about giving her sympathy have to understand.
Well, tbh.. mental illness and disease like addiction do bring about certain characteristic behaviors.
I think she has a lot of work to do as a person in general, but I DO believe a lot of the lieing, desperation, and manipulation is her addiction at this point, and also her age and naivete. Her addiction relies on her income, so she will do whatever it takes to try and maintain that and get people off of her back. At this point, she is lieing to HERSELF because she is in denial of a lot of things surrounding her addiction.
She is naive as shit though. I guarantee you when she eventually gets clean, most likely a couple of years down the line, she will look back at these posts of hers and cringe
>>631613>Well, tbh.. mental illness and disease like addiction do bring about certain characteristic behaviors.
Absolutely. I suffer from mental illness and when I have breakdowns I can really say hurtful things out of anxiety. But my point is that at some point you have to own it. Like, yes, it can be considered a symptom, but it doesn't make you any less of an asshole. Jonny is an addict, but he's also an abuser. Taylor is an addict and suffers from mental illness, probably BPD, but she's been an asshole.
Ultimately I really do hope she gets out from this, but she has to own it first.
Her mental illness and addictions can't be used as excuses. Yes, I agree they bring out certain behaviors… but she has to own up to her words and actions. Taylor LOVES to deflect blame so she'll do it for as long as possible.
That being said, she had issues before Jonny regarding her pet care and taking criticism. Her care was bad from the beginning and is going to get worse by the day at this rate. Her attitude as well, sounds like she's always been this way but with parents like the ones she has, I'm not surprised. I've said it before but she's a spoiled little shit.
I agree that she has to take some accountability. Part of the problem is that shes in at least partial denial, which is what addiction does to most, if not all people at first. Her mind is far from clear from using as well. Usually it takes addicts a while, some exposure to real treatment, and clean time (forced or otherwise) for their minds to clear up enough to realize their behavior or to actually want treatment. I see it taking a while for Taylor- she is new to addiction and she is being led deeper into it by jonny. The deeper into their addiction they are and the more they're using, the more erratic their behavior and the further detached from reality they are.
I'm not making excuses for her. I'm just stating some facts. It's very hard to articulate this stuff to anyone who hasn't had addiction problems or witnessed it in anyone close. But it is in fact a mind-altering substance and disease.
I think at that point, had she not gotten with jonny or into addiction, she would have definitely begun to handle things in a very different manner and would have changed up her pet care. She isn't an unintelligent girl… she would have done it for her channel if not for her animals if she was in a clear mind. Once she met jonny it went downhill fast.
They were absolutely using more than just these 2 months. They may have taken small breaks from using, but even in the beginning they were using opiates. There are pics where if you zoom in, their pupils are 100% clearly edited (and very badly) to look bigger. (The old ones where she has brown hair.. it's a pic of the 2 of them with their hands on their cheeks and I think jonny's tongue sticking out). Then, she brought coke with her to petfest. This has been going on a while, and I honestly think she would have handled the criticism and her pet care better had she not gotten into addiction with jonny.
I disagree. Taylor's animal care has always been dodgy. She can't handle any kind of criticism. Maybe she changes her pet care, but I've never been impressed by it from the beginning once I knew better. This is someone who makes videos on how to care for animals and gives the BARE MINIMUM or worse from the beginning. That's not how it works. I think her early aquatic care was pretty good, but her mammal care is absolutely atrocious. I remember seeing the shitty cage she kept poor Gus in and being appalled.
If she changes her pet care, I will applaud her because she has an audience. However she cannot look after the sheer number of animals she has, especially now that she has mammals that require daily care and attention such as her cats and rats mainly, but her hedgies would appreciate it too.
Her care started bad and it's only gotten shittier, especially since she started hoarding snakes and other reptiles.
them being so vague about it is giving off "i dont know if taylor still wants to lie about this" vibes" if someone actually did that shit to your friend (and you were in the room as it was happening) and they (taylor) already posted about it why would you just suddenly be super vague and not support your friend outright? its so weird
I know it may be kind of fucked up to say because it can be difficult to talk about sexual assault but with the audience taylor has she would easily come out on top and just garner sympathy from her stans if it was true
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also this in response to someone one on twitter
If there's evidence then Taylor can post it. But Taylor already knows it's incriminating not against Bree, but herself so I doubt we're going to see anything.
Hard to believe people who kiss Taylor's arse though - the fact they stand by her based off her awful pet care alone makes them not good people.
The only people who know the truth are Taylor and Bree and based on track record, I'm leaning towards Bree's version of events because she has kept her story straight and provided proof she has access to. I dunno, it's hard to fault her for deleting Twitter and not having DMs when this happened months ago, she wasn't involved with lolcow then so it's stupid to assume she deleted to get rid of evidence or whatever (especially when she's the only one who access to it).
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If anons want to revisit what was posted here during the CA trip, it starts with >>>/snow/696507
in thread #19.
[pic related] is from the night in question.
what are you drinking
And the other pet tubers, they're saying it for attention too?
She'd ruin her career for attention? She was getting plenty of attention when she was making videos, this is going to get her less attention lol people are going to stop watching her.
Honestly, I think she just snapped from the stress of Jonny getting kicked out and needed asspats from her stans. She knows that all of Jonnys friends hate her, Jonny is trash and now her Petfest friends also won't associate with her anymore like they did before.
She can tell that her life is spiralling and by making herself look like the victim to anyone that is dumb enough to believe her she feels like she's in the right and truly a victim.
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Why doesn’t he go and help her then.
It’s so easy for all these yourubers to shove all the blame onto us, instead of helping her.
Poor grammar notwithstanding, AYRT was clearly being sarcastic.>>631708>>631709
Well, he did post about having "sad news" before the drama with Bree broke out.
>Colin and the rest of the band
Bros before hos! Jonny abusing women didn't directly affect the band or threaten their livelihood.
They were drunk enough to be amused by lampshade-on-head antics >>631665
See now, she doesn't need anyones pitty or good vibes. She's a fucking manipulative addict. Be it drugs, attention, love, pets, etc. She is an addict. She has 0 willpower and could become addicted to just about anything. She needs to admit she fucked up and is wrong. She should be contacting everyone she treated poorly and apologizing. That's part of a 12 step program. You're enabling her.
Tl;Dr you're not famous enough for her to want to fuck you, best hop on the other side of the issue.
I get where he’s coming from, if you’re not invested in her animal care and only passively following/missing deleted tweets this can look like a nice sweet young girl meets a bad influence and gets sucked into addiction.
That being said, Elijah is also a druggie who has smoked and left drugs out in front of his dogs so fuck his opinion
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I really am starting to believe Bree did do something and instead of coming clean about it, just lied to save face. Maybe she’s embarrassed. I really don’t see why people are still insisting this happened, if it didn’t. There’s nothing for them to gain or help Taylor with. She’s already been outted as a drug user. And it’s not like Bree gave us such juicy milk that they are trying to do damage control. The biggest thing she said was about Gus, and she claims that came from Emma.
It’s hypocritical they are all blacklisting Bree for making unwanted passes at Taylor but somehow think it’s ok to publicly support her dating an actual abuser.
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This made me giggle
Clearly they’ve all known about the drug abuse at least since the petfest trip. It’s only now that it’s all come out that they’re trying to disassociate themselves.
It’s so obvious, hope their fans see through the BS
Can't rehome dead animals.
100% agree with others who think Taylor will says they've been rehomed though. She's done it so many times already.
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My point was that they were drinking liquor, not just partaking in the nose candy, and the effect of alcohol is the antithesis of "clear headed". And this applies to to recall of everyone who was there and drinking, not just Bree.
That said, some people like to use coke to counter the effects of alcohol so that they can "get drunk" all over again (in parentheses because the feeling of sobriety provided by stimulants is an illusion).
We don't know how much they drank.
"We don't know how much they drank."
nope but since the bottle is almost full on the photo with the lampshade, it doesn't seem that the lampshade humour correlated with the vodka. so "they were drunk enough to find the lampshade funny, see the vodka bottle" doesn't make much sense
The Rewired Soul called her Nicole almost the entire time.
hard to take in someone's 2 cents when they can't get her name right. it definitely seemed more like he was pandering for views/content than gives a shit.
He commented that his sister's name is Nicole which may have been why he put that name first.
He doesn't need to know the details in order to speak to addicts and their behavior.
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Looks like your wish came true anon! (P.S. sorry for deleting and reposting so many times I kept fucking up the screen crop my bad)
So he should have scrubbed through 29 threads? Nah.
His channel isn't necessarily about the nuances of people's situation, but pulling out larger themes for the viewers. In this case, all his content needed to focus on was the aspect of addiction, more specifically addict couples. If you want someone to go through the nit and grit, the drama channels are who you're going to have to wait on.
Lol.. he is still doing a video about someone and said their name wrong most of the video. It doesnt matter if his sister's name is nicole.. he should have been familiar enough with the situation to know her name in the video.
You're right that he did speak to addicts behavior well enough, but I'm saying he could have spoken a lot more specifically to taylor and jonnys situation if he did more research.
Wow.. never said he had to scroll through every thread. I simply said there was a lot of info out there that he could've used to get more familiar with the situation and to speak to it more specifically.
I'm not disagreeing with what he said in his vid, but I definitely think he could have done a better video.
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talking about the TND video.
Yes, it's good that people are speaking out, but
If it was my channel and I got the name wrong through the entire video, I'd re-record it. He's using her name and situation for views so he should at least get her name right.
Yes, his couples in recovery point still stands, but cmon. You have to admit that's pretty taylor nicole dean animal enclosure level of bare minimum to get a name right in a video.
For one, I think speaking more on abusive relationships and their toxicity would be great for younger viewers who see them as "couples goals", would help taylor to see more clearly, would expose jonny more, and would be interesting to hear.
Taylor was young and sheltered (she has old vids talking about being homeschooled bc of her illness, missing out on things, not having many friends, etc). Abusive people look for vulnerable people to manipulate. I think she fit that bill for him.
Nobody is saying they weren't happy he made a video. Just that it could have been better and he could have spent more time on it. There's a LOT of mental health content with their relationship and addiction
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Honest question - I know WAY more about Jonny than I do Taylor. I didn't know who she was until she started dating Jonny. I've been following Jonny since he was dating Amanda (2012ish?) and I've seen him turn plenty of good women into terrible people. Obviously Taylor is being horrible now, but what was she like BEFORE she met Jonny? Was she more consistent with videos? Was she a better pet mom? Was she a liar and a manipulator and a martyr? I'm inclined to blame her current behavior almost 100% on Jonny because this is his pattern, and that's kind of what Elijah is saying too. What are y'alls thoughts?
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Havent seen these posted already, sorry if they were
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If Taylor can change so drastically in just one year. I wonder what she'll be like next year. Will her addiction bring her so low that she's almost bald with scars all over her face while Jonny beats her MENTALLY to the point where if she doesn't make this amount of money, he'll leave her with a pile of dead animals?
They're a mess and it's only up to Taylor to change things.. but the way I see it, she's never going to change because of her ego. She probably thinks atm that everyone is wrong but her
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Sorry for the semi blog post but I just tweeted this and got blocked my rainbow hair girl immediately…(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
They probably think, "welp. it's not my business or my channel so let her sink">>631863
I like your tweet anon. If she blocked you for that, it just means that Bree's advances were probably made up so their Stans stay loyal. They're just exaggerating because they want our eyes on this instead of Taylor bringing in hard drugs and alcohol to her underage "friends." EVERYTHING they did is wrong not just the sexual assault that was mixed in. Even Bree was wrong. EVERYONE in that hotel room was wrong. It pisses me off that some people are more focused on this assault.. like dude, there was cocaine and liqueur involved! and not only that, they're all under 21 of age. If a cop had busted in there, they would all be in jail.. including Bree.
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[pic related] I just scrolled through the first thread, and wow. Hindsight and all that. Chelsea foresaw everything.>>631838
Wasn't he her second choice in rock star?
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surely spending all day in bed is where some of these problems started?
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2nd update today. she really appears to be trying to turn the narrative back to poor taylor, grieving her dead fish. i think this is old news to most people and definitely a distraction tactic.
I don't know which is heavier: her eyelids or her upper lip.>>631893
The necropsy results.
This. Cocaine culture is like that. If you have it, you’re going to do it. It’s not weird for Bree to want to do it when she knows it’s there. It’s not weird for Bree to be annoying about it and not realize it if she was drinking. Taylor was pretending to be sober to her friends and painted Bree as a drug fiend, even though cocaine just makes people Like That and I know Taylor knows that since she’s a fucking junkie now lmao.
How embarrassing for everyone in that hotel room to find out Taylor was literally shooting heroin while pretending to be a ~smol victim going to rewapse uwu~
They most likely know that if they mention anything about Jonny, they’ll get blocked by her and probably thrown under the bus.
Just look at how hard she tried to go for Colin. The moment they speak about something she doesn’t like, she’ll run her mouth about them.
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Will she listen when even her ‘friends’ think she needs someone else to care for her animals? Also, she never did post Kronos yesterday like she said she would.
she has mentioned that she definitely called with proof so many times that it makes me think it was faked somehow. >>631915
but it did add to the conversation
It makes me think emma emilee and rainbow girl thought taylor was sober and bree didn't know the other girls did not know taylor brought coke especially since she had dm'd bree about it outside the group then freaked out when bree asked about it in front of them and tried to blame bree for it and they just took taylors side
if anything bree being messaged outside the group about the coke being brought could be interpreted as taylor trying to see if bree was okay with it to be friends with them like it was something they all did and bree wouldnt rat on them
Bree, ignore every anon that tries to shut you up. It’s relevant info that Taylor was the person most heavily affected by alcohol. I say keep posting when you feel you have something to add. There’s a few anons here that seem to have it out for you and want you to just be quiet and get lost.
I’d rather have too much info from Bree and if you have a problem with her just keep scrolling and ignore her posts if you don’t appreciate the info like some anons do.
(Not saying Bree is perfect or completely innocent in all that went down, but it’s very fishy that so many anons jump on her with every post)
The info she posted seemed more relevant than everything Jayce posted on the pettubers thread tbh.
I'm still a bit eh about the entire situation and think there's more we're not hearing from both sides and if some small info could be vital so.
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Makes a post to the ppl he unfriended who wouldnt even be able to see it bc.. he unfriended them
What a fucking idiot
RuLeS aRe RuLeS
Shut the fuck up, farmhands are the ones who gave them the trip codes.
Bit OT but don't engage with Keith.
tldr; he's the self reclaimed king of all that pertains to onision and in his own words, gregs arch nemesis. He's an old dude who is a bit too involved in onision related things. He has no self awareness and is a cow on his own right.
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Update on the Rep video. Looks like he might be going through all 29 threads.
Jesus fuck, yes please.
I've been thinking this for a while now, especially after the last thread that lasted what, 2 days?
This is probably a sign of her withdrawing anon.>>631897
They really want her fans so she's probably gauging reception and seeing how that statement didn't land. They're running this line about animal care to appeal to the fans, plus it's a potential opportunity for them if they get to "help" with Taylor's animals, since they'll get a part of her fanbase and a good storyline for their channel. They're parasites.>>631970
This. It was about the night that everyone's dissecting, it was fine. There is an anon (or several) trying to drive Bree off from this thread.
Keith's obsessed with young women having sexual relationships so I'm gonna guess the thought of Bree and Taylor snuggling has brought him here.
Who writes like this? "I posted about it the other day so you guys better KNOW I really totally 100% cared about my fish that I turned into a chewtoy in a shitty pond for views!"
She is insane.
I was thinking this too. Sounds like she is checking off her mental check list in this post. "Posted a video of me calling them two days ago so everyone knows I really
am waiting for the results"
Agree. Where anons are suspicious, there usually is something going on. Look at all of things anons have called that have turned out to be true. Nobody would be surprised if someone were trying to whiteknight Taylor and get Bree of the threads (even if it was Taylor herself). It's extremely
suspicious that the pettubers aren't saying much about the matter or refuse to, or play with their words to make their response fit the narrative Taylor gives.
I also don't understand why they're all saying that Taylor didn't SAY it was sexual harassment, but she for sure drove it in that direction. In what world are unwanted advances not sexual harassment? Because they're both girls? Please. Taylor knew what she was doing, it's obvious she's a professional manipulator and liar. She words things so that she can cover her ass later.
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Didn’t want to do anything publically but shamed other YouTuber for their care?
Bunch of clout chasing scumbags.
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Props to Maddie for admitting she was wrong. Hopefully her and the other petubers have learned something from this whole experience. It's good that Taylor's peers are speaking out, hopefully they'll keep the pressure on to rehome some of her animals.
I can't believe Taylors just sitting around watching TV. She's taking absolutely no steps to get better. She's tons of animals just languishing, Why isn't she taming her monitor, why isn't she socializing her rats, why isn't she researching her animals more, why isn't she cleaning their enclosures, why isn't she at a rehab center, why isn't cleaning her apartment, why why why?!?
Even if they had no idea she was shooting heroin, they have talked to her when she's been intoxicated many times. Remember that, by their own words, Taylor told them she wanted to bring coke to Petfest before she even talked to Bree about it, and they had talked her out of it. When you take drugs you generally know who does and doesn't and don't just go offering them to people who have zero interest. You talk to the people who do. They have totally known she's a drug addict of some kind, just maybe not what kind.
In her response video (now deleted) Maddie specifically defended the clip from the Best Fiends sponsorship. Taylor is clearly intoxicated in that clip - it takes some real cognitive dissonance or just being a liar to say that clip is of a sober person; she's trashed. Attached here for anyone new or a trip down memory lane. Starts 0:53.
At this point she has to know that she's coming off a bit creepy? That post is so weirdly written.
Someone should stage another intervention, to get her off the internet. There's something about her behavior rn that's unsettling to watch.
It will likely take legal intervention by her parents, at least with jonny around. Maybe they could do a wellness check when there's paraphernalia around, which would make them catch possession and "being in the presence of a substance knowingly" charges (yes the second one is a charge). The ideal situation is she is ordered into inpatient and goes on probation with drug testing for some time with a plea deal.
I think Taylor would go willingly if someone could fucking get rid of the parasite that is jonny
"I can change him"!!1!11
She made a very naïve mistake. Love conquers all right? Too many unrealistic expectation from all those Disney movies. Real life ain't a movie.
Agreed. Has he even changed at all?
>still an addict>still an abuser>still dying of liver failure>still living off other people
The only change she had on him was getting him kicked out of his band.
If I remember correctly, Chelsea said the thing that helped her get away from Jonny and have him stay away was the restraining order (protective order).
Filing for it while after being ordered to rehab would be ideal so that she doesn't fall into his arms again. Texas even has some allowances for pets to be included in the protective order (though I'm unsure of the specifics)
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Rep video should be out sometime soon
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What is she talking about?
That's the funny thing. I was subscribed to Taylor and thought she was okay, though I had some concerns about her rapidly growing animal collection. But what got me here was seeing pics of her with Jonny and going, "Wtf, he looks like an insane drug addict."
Many stereotypes exist for a reason. There's nothing about Jonny that looks or sounds remotely put together. I don't really blame his exes or girlfriends for falling into the manipulation trap; love and youthful insecurity do funny things to people. But how do any FAMILY members, like Taylor's, buy into it? One look at him, and you should go, "Holy shit, how's he not in jail yet?" He's like a walking, talking Florida Man article.
The 'assistant story constantly changing' album is amazing https://m.imgur.com/a/luLGDEx
, don't know how I missed it. Seems worthy of a permanent place in the OP.
You're not very well integrated here if you think this kind of posting won't raise people's antennae.
Maddie made video defending Taylor so she's involved. The others are involved too, especially with the cover up of the condition of Taylor's animals when they visited but Maddie doesn't get a pass. She would have know all about the deaths and mites and whatever else.
One of the very few things she's actually admitted without getting defensive is that she does buy animals to cope with her lack of friends and low self-esteem.
I think it's in this video where she talks about it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1wwi0xefZw
Bexar County has a pre-trial diversion program.https://www.bexar.org/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=225
>"being in the presence of a substance knowingly"
Not a thing in Texas.https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/docs/HS/htm/HS.481.htm>>632035
An EPO based on what? He hasn't physically abused, threatened, or stalked Taylor.
She seems like she's a lazy person in general. Saltwater tanks are not for the lazy, they require consistent maintenance for the inhabitants. The whole bryopsis problem happen because she was inconsistent on her maintenance and let it get out of control. I imagine she rarely does water changes and I imagine it probably grew due to nutrient imbalance/waste.
Cheese was probably stunted due to poor diet and stress. His death was probably caused by overdosing fluconazole.
Pretrial diversion would be great. Wow.. well actually I'm not surprised it's not a thing in texas. In my state we have something called a Section 35 where family or significant others can get an unwilling addict into a lockdown detox for around a month via the courts. People have been known to even section themselves when they keep leaving detoxes.
Idk much about texas. But nmw, possession charges would suffice, and I've heard of her parents doing a wellness check before. If there were substances present they'd catch a charge, or at least one of them would.. Most likely jonny.
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Pont taken that we don't know what has or has not taken place. But in Texas, threatening to harm, or even actually harming her pets, is not grounds for a Protective Order.
A PO is issued in cases of "family violence" which is defined as "an act by a member of a family or household against another member of the family or household that is intended to result in physical harm, bodily injury, assault, or sexual assault or that is a threat that reasonably places the member in fear of imminent physical harm, bodily injury, assault, or sexual assault".
Regarding pets, "in a protective order, the court may prohibit a party from removing a pet … from the possession or actual or constructive care of a person named in the order".https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/FA/htm/FA.85.htmhttps://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/FA/htm/FA.71.htm>>632136
Here you go! I'll let you pick apart this statute since you seem to be as interested in applicable laws as I.
"… emergency detention, protective custody, or commitment of a person with a chemical dependency"https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/HS/htm/HS.462.htm
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I backread to the first thread over in /snow/ and… wow.
It's so sad that her mom tried to call her out immediately and was very quickly upset about her choice in boyfriend. Wonder where Taylor would be if her mom had gotten through to her.
Some stupid law/circumstantial questions here:
-Do we actually know whether or not Jonny has made any threats towards Taylor? (I feel like that isn't something they'd make known online)
-In a household where both parties are using (and therefore, technically shouldn't be able to consent), how do sexual assault laws apply?
-If a person (Jonny) already has restraining order(s) held against him, wouldn't a judge feel compelled to err on the side of caution?
TND needs to ask herself
"Is the satisfaction of drugs worth all the hate, lost friendships, money, social standing, career, pets lives"?
She wants to get clean thats obvious. I feel like her going to these clincs is done from a place of legitamite concern for herself. Shes gonna try her way first, cleanslate, shots and whatever. I don't think it will work tho. It's going to be geting clean vs cutting jonny out. She's not gonna get clean if Jonny is still there. Jonny's just gonna keep using.
I used to think they were afraid of her because she's the one with the money, but given the recent drama, I'm more inclined to believe they'll take the chance to throw her under the bus and spill the beans the moment they see a chance, because they're social climbers.
But they're not going to be that obvious. They'll isolate her and make their own clique, which seems to be already happening.
>> Do we actually know whether or not Jonny has made any threats towards Taylor?
Other than threatening to flush Nemo down the toilet? I don't remember any others off the top of my head, but there's been a lot of drama, so . . .
>> In a household where both parties are using (and therefore, technically shouldn't be able to consent), how do sexual assault laws apply?
That's a very grey area. If both parties are intoxicated when they have sex and accusations of rape come up, most of the time courts look at the circumstances of the case. Was the accused sober enough to be aware that the alleged victim was too intoxicated to consent?
>> If a person (Jonny) already has restraining order(s) held against him, wouldn't a judge feel compelled to err on the side of caution?
It might be looked at, but it's not going to be a compelling reason to give Taylor a restraining order. That's going to be based on what he's done to make her feel unsafe, not that he simply made other people feel unsafe.
IF they were truly friends they'd tell her the hard truth. Friends should tell you the truth regardless of whether or not she wants to hear it. They don't have to be an asshole about it like we are. They just need to be real with her and demonstrate their concern.
If they don't do it publicly they should at least privately. Maby public is too much to ask.
I don't think Taylors even in a place where she wants to get a restraining order. She thinks her relationship is just fine from how I understand it.
If she reaaaally wanted him gone all she would have to do is call the cops and have them take Jonny out of her apartment. She could say she feels like "he's gonna hurt her and he has abused others in the past". Cops pull up records. Show up at Apt. Hes taken away.
We know that Jonny is at the very least, emotionally abusive. Taylor said something about it on her texts to Chelsea. In regards to physical abuse, it's hard to know.
He's pretty much isolated her from everybody, not to mention that his bandmates have been complicit in his abuse and treatment to women in general, not only his exes.
There's plenty of accounts of people who worked with the band and who witnessed his abusive behavior being shrugged off as a "boys will be boys" type of thing. There's even accounts of fans who were treated like shit by Jonny, yet nobody did shit.
This is why, as much as Colin and the others are showing receipts contradicting Taylor, they're still pieces of shit who kept silent about everything Jonny has done. This attitude is exactly why Jonny keeps getting platforms with no repercussions whatsoever.
For Taylor to get any sort of legal action, she has to actually take steps to remove him from her life. But considering she's right in the midst of an abusive relationship, with addiction on top of it, it might take a while for her to break up with him. It might take several attempts before she leaves him for good.
Taylor told me that Jonny once told to go sleep in a lake after a fight. I don't remember the extensive story but I can never forget such a threat. He has definitely been verbally abusive, punched a hole in the wall at a time.
Sorry if this is not worthy of a post but just thought it contributed
Yeah, dunno who the fuck are the weirdos who keep trying to get rid of our milk sources. >>631989
She's still on Twitter attacking anyone who doesn't stan and worship Taylor. She just took it down so it doesn't absolutely blow up in her face.>>631999
It's a form of physical intimidation used to control the victim. "You can't do anything without my permission and knowledge!" It's typical possession and absolute control.
I'm wondering if the Rapist is on any medications for his liver and kidneys. How the fuck is he not dead yet? Like I get some people are resilient, but he's REALLY living up to the phrase "evil never dies.">>632077
It's hard for people who are not victims to understand, but looks are super easy to ignore when you're being manipulated and the abuser is relatively financially and socially successful (in a band, friends, connections, etc.). The amount of care and subtle manipulation eventually just warps your thinking, and you overlook all their flaws. That's the simple TL;DR of it.Take into account that he gives Taylor attention, which all narcissists like her live off of, and her Messiah complex, she won't willingly leave him until he does something to shatter the delusions and manipulation.
Her parents are shitty and Jenn is 100% a narc like her daughter, and both parents overlook anything that paints Taylor as bad in any way. They'll ignore anything bad about Jonny so long as it supports their narrative of Taylor (and by proxy, Jonny) being perfect in every way.>>632157
Still in a shitty spot. Maybe not a drug abuser, but Taylor and her mom are both narcissists incapable of normalcy.
Considering the hold Jonny has on her, I have to wonder if he's used physical/sexual violence against her as a form of control. Considering his past with women, I reeeeally don't think Taylor would be some special case that he would just never physically abuse. I hope she never has to experience that. I really hope she escapes/dumps him soon.
Keep in mind that laws vary by state. Even the definition of consent
varies. In Texas, explicit consent is not required. A person who gets intoxicated of their own volition is considered able to consent unless he/she is unconscious or physically unable to resist. A person cannot ordinarily claim, "The drugs made me do it!" as a defense.
>In a household where both parties are using (and therefore, technically shouldn't be able to consent), how do sexual assault laws apply?
means assent in fact, whether express or apparent."https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/docs/PE/htm/PE.1.htm
A sexual assault is considered to occur without the consent of the other person if "the actor has intentionally impaired the other person’s power to appraise or control the other person’s conduct by administering any substance without the other person’s knowledge" or "the other person has not consented and the actor knows the other person is unconscious or physically unable to resist".https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PE/htm/PE.22.htm
"Voluntary intoxication does not constitute a defense to the commission of crime."https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PE/htm/PE.8.htm
>If a person (Jonny) already has restraining order(s) held against him, wouldn't a judge feel compelled to err on the side of caution?
Only if those prior Protective Orders were granted to Taylor.
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The asslicking comments on this post are fucking disgusting. There are so many it’s ridiculous. Her fans are fucking retarded.
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From Happy Tails IG pt1
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>That applies if one party gets the other party intoxicated then sexually assaults them.
No. I included two provisos in that sentence; I apologize if my wording was confusing.(b) A sexual assault under Subsection (a)(1) is without the consent of the other person if:(3) the other person has not consented and the actor knows the other person is unconscious or physically unable to resist;(4) the actor knows that as a result of mental disease or defect the other person is at the time of the sexual assault incapable either of appraising the nature of the act or of resisting it;(5) the other person has not consented and the actor knows the other person is unaware that the sexual assault is occurring;(6) the actor has intentionally impaired the other person's power to appraise or control the other person's conduct by administering any substance without the other person's knowledge;
The statute makes no provision for a person being too intoxicated to consent, and consent is broadly defined ("assent in fact, whether express or apparent").
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A lot of abusers actually go for women who they see as above them and try to knock them down. Especially if the woman has things they can use like money or social value. They'll take advantage of a weak spot (like Chelsea's job not working out and having no where to go) in life, not always just weak people. They woo the shit out of their victim for a few weeks and then slowly start the mental games until the person is a shell, like we've seen with Taylor's dead eyes.
Narcissism and addiction (esp alcoholism) also often go hand in hand so you blame the addiction for the terrible person that they are. You think it's the addictions fault that they're terrible, not that they're a terrible person who happens to be an addict, so of course you can help them!>>632057
Narcissists are experts at "triangulation" which pits their victim against someone else. If he was using Amanda and Chelsea against each other to make them mad/jealous for years, there's probably a million scars.
Some people are into that look, I guess.
I saw him play a couple of times and he would make these grand speeches about being sober and grateful on stage. And honestly, the shows were more bros than women.
Historically why have women thrown themselves in droves at unattractive abusive musicians? Could it possibly be the music
Prior to the current drama I had never listened to him nor read his lyrics outside of what has been posted here. A couple of nights ago I checked out a half dozen or so songs. His lyrics make loving a "recovering" addict goals for women with personalities like Taylor's. And women absolutely swoon over his voice in the comments of his videos.
She was definitely using in the beginning, around that time. Her texts and vids/pics confirm it.
I do think that they— or at least /she/— stopped using opiates for a bit. There was a point, maybe around last summer, where she gained some weight, which many do when they get clean before they typically lose it again.
I agree that it does seem like she is still siding with jonny and prob just thinks people "don't understand them". She seems to be buying into his "us against the world" shit, even tho he has been on the addiction ride for 10 years and knows exactly what he needs to do and knows that the people pushing inpatient are right.
How absolutely naive for a reasonably intelligent girl.
Anyone can contribute to the thread. Even if they know TND. Bree even agreed to do it anonso you could stop bitching. If people are going to mention her name she has every right to use her trip code to add to the conversation. Stop chasing her away just because you don’t like her.
Bree post whatever the fuck you want until a farmhand says other wise.
I also questioned how they were going to get sober if you are recommended to not be in a relationship (for at least a year right?) and in that case Jonny and her were fucked from the start because he wasn’t clean that long if at all. I personally don’t think they can do it as long as they’re together esp. Taylor.
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their house is always messy or cluttered
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This is the current update on the Rep video. Next update should be the link to video.
I think he posted in here earlier. It seems like he realized he needed to do more research than usual, so I'm assuming he did.
I think his video will touch more on the dynamics or history of their relationship than RewiredSoul's did.
You know I'm not 100% sure on this. We're not supposed to armchair diagnose cows or their families for the record, but she reminds me far more of what happens to parents with severely disabled children. Before anyone comes at me I know it's not Tanners fault, but nonetheless he will be an absolute nightmare to live with and suck any joy from her life.
Taylor more likely behaves the way she does because of lack of attention from her parents growing up, and a resignation to the fact that once they're dead she will have to become Tanner's primary caregiver. One day she will be 100% responsible for him, and all of her freedom will be taken away, hence >I want the experience
one day she will have no freedom and no choice.
source: my brother was for a time speculated to have PWS. Her family dynamic is something I have personally experienced and seen a dozens of times in other families.
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Anyone post this yet? If so, I didn't see it. http://archive.is/tPgo4
An old 2013 intvw with jonny. At around 6:15 he says:>>"I know girls like the back of my hand man. Crazy girls, straight girls, gay girls, I know them all dude, I know everything about girls… I feel like I've always had the connection with girls— It's just something I was born with."
..Says a lot to his mindset towards women.
So many people in the US are addicts now.. there's much less of a stigma with it, especially if she puts it behind her now and this turns out to be just something that happened while she was in her early 20s.
But yeah, I don't doubt people will lose trust for a while.
“Addiction isn’t a game or something to joke about”
Maybe should’ve told that to Taylor when she was joking about it on Twitter. I’m tired of these holier than thou responses on twitter that leave out the fact that her addiction led to the premature deaths of several animals. If she took care of her animals well and was on drugs, no one would give a shit. It’s the fact that her addiction fits into the pattern of neglect and careless mistakes that people are angry about.
Never said anything about sympathy, whatsoever, so I don't really know how you got that from the post you cited. And someone receiving sympathy vs someone being an example of what not to do are not "inverse".. they're totally different things.
The person I was responding to was talking about the stigma associated with addiction, which was what I was speaking to.
Ah Tori, one of Taylor's personal 'defense squad'. I remember her being so rude & sarcastic towards Jessica during the frog & skinks' death debacle, then being rude towards LeopardGecko when she voiced how uncomfortable Cheese's funeral video made her.
She also bitched at Emi @Emi_ology) for voicing her opinion on the frog+skinks' deaths. imo, she was worse than the other Pettubers b/c she would outright ridicule people for voicing their concerns.
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Anyone see this yet? A lot of people from the original DGD Swanposting group are asking to be added and then trolling until they get booted(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
>> The statute makes no provision for a person being too intoxicated to consent, and consent is broadly defined
Yes it's broadly enough defined that a prosecutor can argue that a person was too drunk to knowingly give consent to sex. You don't just look at statutes when it comes to defining what is allowed under the law or not. You must also look at a case law and see what is precedent. The U.S. is a country of common law and common law is made in the courts, not the legislature.
But for the sake of an debate on lolcow, I'm not going to comb through Texas rape case opinions to find out what the district courts' stances are on it. Taylor is not going to have Jonny charged with rape because she, him or both of them were having sex while intoxicated. She still believes she loves him.
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Final update until video
I have sympathy for addicts that are struggling to get their life together. But that's not what Taylor is doing.
People on Twitter keep saying she needs support. What are we supposed to be supportive of? Her still using? Her not being admitted to a program because she's still using? Her choice to remain with her abusive junkie boyfriend that encourages her to relapse? Her decision to keep her animals despite them all slowly dying?
People are enabling her and buying into her manipulative bullshit. If you want her to keep using and killing animals then go for it.
People also need to remember she was still hoarding animals with no experience while still living at home, before Jonny entered the picture. All the dead seahorses, dead hedgehogs, overstocked tanks, ect.
Just like Jonny is a shitty person who happens to be an addict, Taylor was still a shitty pet hoarder at her core, without drugs.
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Why is Amanda throwing shade at how Chelsea is choosing to handle things? That’s super annoying to me bc Chelsea feels understandably vindicated and Amanda just comes off petty. Sad bc I liked the three exes being united against Jonny in spreading awareness of his past.
Amanda has stated that is not about Chelsea. As much as I like Chelsea, this is kind of bs.
Chelsea says 50,000 things and is an icon
Amanda says 1 single thing and Chelsea makes it about her
Liz and Amanda are both victims of JC as well.
On Topic: For those who are more familiar with animal care, can you 'rank' her animals from easiest to take care of to hardest? I would like to know which of her animals are in the most critical shape and which woulds should be rehomed immediately.
Can't contribute much but I know the last time we saw Mushu, she was in terrible condition. I think Bree also said that she was pretty much beyond damaged. I'm sure another anon can be more specific, but honestly if she isn't dead already she needs to be rehomed.
A part of me hopes the world took pity on her and let her pass away in the most peaceful manner possible. But from the looks of it, she's certainly in terrible shape.
If she killed a damn mini dinosaur people literally cannot deny her shit is trash. He needed a bigger enclosure & she kept treating him like a dog.
I won’t surprised if Mushu is dead because countless things were pointed out and she just did not give a fuck. Even kept her on top of the dishwasher like the steam doesn’t come out and rise upwards in from of the tank.
It's difficult to even remember all of them. As far as rehoming:
Mushu, Kronos aside. The rats are another time intensive pets that would probably be a good candidate. Her Satanics, maybe? All the pets that don't seem to make an appearance on her instagram.
Though I'm curious what the situation/protocol would be with her roaches and other bug creatures…if they're hanging in there.
I always hated the way she justified keeping Kronos that because she had the money and really wanted to keep him that she should keep him even though it went against her philosophy
I hope by some miracle he is still alive
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she didn't show a shot of just the enclosure without her being in front of it for the ENTIRE video, so this is he best i could do. I remember anons saying it was too dark and cold and there should be way more substrate, since they do like to dig
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Funny people finally (just looking at the comments) think about her as being a hoarder
now that they find out she's been on drugs. Drugs or not, she wasn't taking care of them and it was obvious. Nobody gave a shit. We only know now for sure that the reason wasn't her invisible illnesses but her drug use.>>632488
I don't think the enclosure is even relevant anymore now that he would probably be bigger and need a bigger enclosure like she promised she was doing once she got a house. And the time she said she was getting one had passed. It will never happen.
It's a joke to get a big lizard like that when you have such a small living space, no backyard, and three cats.
This is honestly why my sympathy for her went down the more I saw her doing shit. A lot of people who are talking abouf supporting her and giving her sympathy are fairly new to what’s been going on. It makes sense that if you’ve just been exposed to all the drama in the past few days, your initial reaction will be that of “she needs support and sympathy”.
But the thing is that if you’ve been aware of what’s been going on for the past year, your perspective will change. It’s not like she started a relationship without knowing about him as well as his past. She got to see how abusive he was even BEFORE they lived together. She thought she was the exception to a rule that has been happening for over a decade.
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holy smokes, thanks for the spectacular milk
Nta but it's called an opinion. He does have a fucking annoying voice. So what?>>632494
I agree with you. She knew what she was getting into right from the start. The only ones who need sympathy in this situation are the animals.
he picks apart her apology video and uses all the info we've compiled here to debunk each of her statements in the video.
1. killing and replacing animals- goes through the spreadsheet and the "power outage claims"
2. talks about the weird/unemotional way she talks about her animals
3. goes through the story of nemo and his sister and the vet paperwork
4. shows the craigslist postings of ghost
5. the south texas dragons controversy and no apology video
6. he shows that it's quite possible she faked the "apology email" she says she sent to them with a google contact form. (i don't think we ever picked that one up on here?)
7. the monitor
8. her being against "wild caught" animals
9. smoking in the apartment
10. her saying she doesnt impulse buy and then admitting to impulse buying in the same video
11. her admitting to bringing in animals too quickly because it was the only thing that made her happy
12. Jonny's getting kicked out for drug use, taylor trying to blame Colin and the leaked DMs
He linked lolcow in the description as a source, so be prepared…
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Mama Dean is watching Tyler…
I think he was smart to pick apart her "explanation" video and to avoid a lot of the other craziness, like her family, but I wish he'd included Cheese's fucked up funeral and all her callous "jokes."
To me, the jokes have been one of the most alarming aspects of Taylor's care and personality, especially since she's had shocking deaths in her care. Oh, haha, I'm killing animals. Haha, I'm on drugs. Haha, I'm abusing/neglecting my animals.
Considering she makes all those thoughtless jokes, Cheese's "funeral" looks less like a strange but acceptable form of grieving than a crass stunt for views made by a drug addict.
Drama channels often help change the narrative of a situation and spread information to people who didn't know the extent of an issue.
By making videos with proof about Taylor, Repzilla is helping people become more aware about what's been going on, and that might help the animals. Taylor might be forced to rehome her pets if people push for it enough.
jen got real quiet after tyler said she lied. haha
ohhhhh now he's crying. he's at least pretty real about it in comparison to all the other youtubers