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(and her boyfriend Jonny Craig, if they last that long)
- 20 year old animal youtuber with 1m subscribers
- is currently dating a 31 year old abuser, rapist, and addict
- has health issues so doesn't have a normal job (EDS, celiac disease, chronic pain, depression and anxiety)
- hoards animals, now has around ~26
- frequently advocates "adopt don't shop" but has spent thousands on exotic and designer pets
- didn't notice for weeks that her fish jumped out of it's tank and it died
- almost killed her axolotl by not feeding or noticing it had a fungus for 6 weeks
- hedgehog died, swore she'd never get another one, got two more anyway
- blames a lot of her pets health issues on where she got them, not her own negligence
- has a service dog, but left her behind when she moved out
- supports bad animal practices
- manhandles animals for "cute" photos and videos
info about her boyfriend, Jonny Craig:
- formally in bands dance gavin dance and emarosa. now has his own band slaves. recently lost label due to accusations
- is a known abuser, rapist and heroin addict
- tried to shoot up his ex girlfriend with heroin while laughing as she cried
- held a knife to another exes neck and raped her
- cheats on every single one of his girlfriends and calls them crazy when they speak out against him
- has been in rehab and hospital beds many times but continues to relapse
- is usually homeless and broke and leeches of his girlfriends, moving in with them quickly and using their money
- much older scandal, but he scammed hundreds of fans by selling macbooks and never sending them out. keeping the money to buy drugs
- has been in jail at least once
-taylor's kitten died (but she was in perfect health!) and the other looks sick (but the vet says he's doing wonderful!)
-her and jonny went to a reptile expo and picked up two new snakes (that's she hasn't quarantined), a crab, and a bearded dragon for jonny. what a haul, right?
-decided her kitten needed a friend, so she amazingly managed to find a purebred ragdoll kitten that's 5 1/2 weeks old at Petco! even though Petco would never allow kittens to be adopted that young same day, not to mention ragdoll's are very rare to find in shelters. more likely she bought it off craigslist. adopt don't shop tho
-chelsea, jonny's ex, released texts and DM's between her and taylor. taylor admits to doing coke and smoking heroin, that jonny threatened to flush her cat, and makes it clear she's afraid of jonny and is waiting for the right opportunity to leave. taylor insists they're fake (except the DM's) and somehow her parents and chelsea faked texts. okay. also a friend of hers (will, i think?) released texts as well but she's yet to comment on those. oh and she's NOT doing drugs!!!
-her dad confirms she's doing drugs
-her mom and 3 of jonny's exes did live streams talking about the situation
-on the brink of eviction for her apartment full of pets and concern from people calling in.
*claims to have health issues.
Cow belongs with her fellow munchies over in OTT Spoonies/Munchies. It's very obvious she doesn't have EDS if you know what to look for. Benign hypermobility (maybe), and celiac (maaaybe) I can just about believe, but she's milking them for all they're worth.
A real CRPS team would cry with laughter if they wasted half an hour assessing this girl.
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I just remembered this. Did she ever finish her giveaway???? Did this ever actually happen?
I doubt the celiac. I am new to her but from what I see here she is very suspicious for many reasons (even beyond her claimed illnesses).
Celiac is manageable if you eat a gluten-free diet (which nowadays is not all that hard to do). Her IG doesn't show any food. However, the 1 youtube video I saw had them cooking a Blue Apron meal (and yes I know it was an advertisement) - the Blue Apron option they were making was a pasta dish with breadcrumbs. Blue Apron doesn't offer gluten-free options. And in general, people with celiac try to avoid cooking anything with gluten in their homes (even if its something they don't plan to eat) because of the risk of cross contamination.
On the chance that she does actually have celiac disease I don't think she is doing what she needs to do to avoid complications. Its totally manageable and really not a big deal if you follow the proper precautions.
Yeah, but part of her fucked up narrative is that she's sooper fragile - that's why she can't work or anything - but she directly contradicts that in every way. It connects with the pets and the animal abuse, the constant attention seeking. EDS is the new Lyme disease. She is abusive af and it's driven by the same emotionally vampiric nature that makes her need to present herself as ill and seek pity, martyr herself, etc. I'm astonished that some people on the board are convinced by her. She is a classic, classic case - just watch her talk about her brother. She's someone who learnt that illness means being the centre of attention, that specialness and drama are The Best. Hence why she thinks she needs a channel at all!
Attacking fakes isn't attacking normal people with invisible illnesses, who get on with life and manage as best they can. Cows like Taylor are the exact opposite. It's really troubling that she uses small vulnerable animals to sate her need for attention (temporarily). I think she is one of the highest risk munchies I've come across when it comes to future munchausens by proxy. Hope she doesn't get pregnant.
Um I just provided evidence that her claimed celiac disease is likely not a reality. I will put the link to the video (the Blue Apron meal being made in her kitchen is around the 6:20 mark). You can see the bread and pasta when they are cooking.
If you have Celiac you don't eat gluten simple as that. If you are going to just ignore your health and damage your intestines that is your choice but then don't bother listing celiac as one of your many illnesses
And her munchieness does tie in to her animal mistreatment. She claims that she is so sick that she couldn't even attend public school. Yet she is able to manage the care of a ton of animals - that takes a lot of time and energy for someone who claims they were too sick to go to school. And if she can't even manage to follow the recommended diet for her own illness how the hell is she supposed to manage and coordinate the diets of so many other animals.
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I was recently attacked by Taylor’s cult on twitter for saying her snake suffered when she brought it to a party and Taylor replied saying she had it out for all of 5 minutes. However in THIS video she says “It [her snake] was around my neck for 3 hours at a party” someone DM’d me a clip of the link but it won’t let me save it nor can i find the original video.
kek, you are beyond dumb. You've already been told multiple times that she displays munchie behaviors and has a munchie background. All these behaviors and people with similar backgrounds are surveyed in the munchie threads. You clearly know nothing about FD, FI, MBP or MBI or you'd see the line of waving red flags Taylor is flying. She doesn't get discussed in the munchie threads because we have even milkier cows and she has her own thread, but no one who believes she is a munch ever told you she personally was talked about. Get it together, dude. Fact is, she does have these problems and they inform how horribly she's acting
Of course I'm more worried about the animals too! But this is part of why
she does it, fgs.
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Yeah, but the REASONS WHY lie in her fucked psyche, and her willingness to harm and abuse the vulnerable for attention. Technically she can't have munchausen's by proxy as the diagnosis doesn't apply to animals being harmed, but surely you can see the parallel? The fact that she is a glaring munch herself AND treats animals so cruelly is more evidence of what a catastrophic fuckwad she is and how much she needs to be stopped.
It's not about "stop discussing the animals and talk about her EDS", it's about, "her specific lies and emotional problems explain but don't excuse why she is doing such fucked up shit, and provide even more compelling reasons to stop her".
Um I am pretty sure that Taylor and everything that surrounds her is point of this thread - this includes her animals, her sketchy bf, and her illnesses (real or not). The validity of her illnesses might not be the main point but the fact is that for someone who claims to have so many illnesses (whether she actually does or doesn't) is definitely a factor in why she shouldn't have so many animals. No one person should have that many animals in an apartment - much less someone who claims to have a compromised health system.
Also this site is supposed to be a place to discuss other people not to start a crusade. If you want to do something about her abuse of animals than go find a petition site to join.
"refusing to share"
Top kek, I have given multiple examples. Sorry you're too stupid or lazy to read them. Wtf is your problem? You've been directed to resources by more than one anon multiple times. Have you even watch Taylor talk about her family? Have you searched siblings on the munchie threads?
I'm assuming the ASPCA is of no use either?>>450482
Just type her name into Pipl and see what comes up?
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from taylor's twitter
Kek and fuck you. No. We can talk about her being a munchie if we want to.
Also to the person who said being a munchie isn't a crime - technically low level munchieing isnt, but it swiftly crosses over into criminal territory. And obviously MBP is a crime; malingering also isn't technically a crime but has crimes associated with it (like fraud).
As usual, not her fault.
I mean you're splitting hairs that I already split in my original post. I said it wasn't "technically" a crime and it can lead to being a crime. Idk if you just need to be right or what, but I'm officially excusing myself from this munchausen nonsense.
Have fun with the goose chase. ~
A witch hunt? - the people who keep complaining about the munchie discussion are the ones who want to report her. The people who have mentioned the munchie possibility (nobody has said its a definite) just want to discuss her (the thread title is her name - not Save Taylor's Animal Campaign).
No instead you are just going to whine about people discussing that she is a munchie because we aren't only discussing her treatment of animals. We can do both.
The person isn't saying she is a munchie because she has a sibling with an illness. They are saying that the munchie thread has shown that munchies often adopt that behavior because of sibling illnesses. It is also likely that the same psychology behind that is similar to the reason why she needs to take in so many animals. She hasn't shown up in the munchie thread because its not the most interesting/relevant thing about her and now that she has her own thread there is not reason to split her between the two)
Also - learn to sage
Haha, your comments are fun because they reveal an essentially shallow mind. If you would actually read up on some of the topics under discussion, you could hold your own better. I don't think you realise how simplistically your replies come across. Something as complex as Munchausen's of course cannot be boiled down to "just" having a disabled sib. But for someone like you who doesn't understand it, that's a reasonable starting point. Many of the most florid internet Munchausen's cases have origins with similar disruptions and/or traumas; this bears out famous pathological cases in published literature too. I could go on but I doubt you want a real discussion. The point is, there are many many many good reasons to think Taylor falls somewhere on this spectrum and that these problems directly
relate to her maladaptive behaviour. I'm unsure why you're struggling so much to grasp that.(Please put your thesaurus away)
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So much fucking milk and you guys are going on and on about her being a munchie or not?
Stop the infighting, there is just as much reasons to believe she has EDS as there is that she doesn't.
I do want a real discussion, that's exactly what I've been posting about. this and >>450515
are the first munchie accusations that actually go into the reasons why you're making these claims and show a logical argument. my "shallow mind" came from the fact that your reply only said "have you even watched Taylor talk about her siblings" with no logical connectives as to how that's relevant to the argument. If you want to talk about munchausens without providing any contexts, if you want people to already have all the background then go to the spoonie thread. If you want to bring it up here, put together something logically connected that doesn't require the context of a vaguely related 1000 page thread.
Ah sorry from my end too! Hard to pick up on the tone, with everyone getting so touchy about the Munchhausen thing. You're totally chill, hahaha - and I agree clearly!!
It's just getting kinda heated in here. People gettin' rude. Kinda a shame. This thread's been a really nice place to chill and hang out.
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Her Lil fans should see this
And has already threatened with harming one of her
So, let me get this straight.
Taylor didn't go to school for most of her life growing up, so because of this she lacked actual physically social interaction with people, devoting herself to social media.
This would explain why she has such a fucked judgement of character when it comes to other people and even herself.
>It's derailing credibility here and is legitimately harmful compared to the rest of the claims that are generally looking out for Taylor's health
jesus christ i hate the newfaggery in this threads, get out no one cares. this bitch is a snowflake and the point of having Anon discussions is that we can discuss anything we want about her. you don't get to say what we can discuss or not.
This woman is an absolute scumbag and anons are not here for her "health", we are here to discuss her shenanigans. You people crybabies complaining because we call her ugly/liar need to get a grip or get out.
That's so fucked…
Man and now her 20+ animals are going to fucking pay for it because of her decisions, not fair.
Look at her boyfriend, anon, they are probably desperate. She is not listening to any reasoning and is probably also avoiding contact, the internet is probably their only chance for her to come out without any damage. >>450490
Why would she lie about where she got that kitte though? She had no problems with showing receipts about how well the female and male strays she got where, why she would have showing the adoption papers? Also, about those receipts, why did she just blocked and ignored everyone that pointed out that those papers were refering to Nemo and not the girl?
right? it would be so easy for her to show a simple adoption paper from petco. just one receipt from the day she adopted him showing that she was even inside the store.
she's deleted her tweet of the screencaps with the craigslist seller talking to her about the responses they got to the ad because of her. I know she said she was deleting drama but like gosh, it is so shady, why won't she just show us the paper like she did to prove her cats were healthy (when they werent)
They have admitted multiple times that online was the only way she would respond to them. She's so ingrained into social media that it worked.
Ultimately, her parents know her shenanigans more than we or her white knights do, so if they saw fit to do this it was for a reason. Some anon who knows the family posted in the last thread and said that this was not a new thing and that it happened in the past.
I wish they would share these stories, if they're still here.
I'm not buying her illnesses myself but her cooking a meal for a sponsor isn't really evidence. Also, her having those items in her kitchen doesn't really either.. I have plenty of shit in my kitchen I've never touched and would never eat.
TL;DR: Don't sperg out that people are asking more evidence than that. That's really just circumstantial evidence, not undeniable proof.
lmao what kinda dramatic ass feel sorry for me uwu
post. the real creatures suffering are your dying pets, not you. this isn't your pity party
Whatever bitch. Don't rent an apartment when you make your living off literally hoarding animals.
I'd be so pissed if I lived in a luxury apartment complex and someone next door was keeping 26 random pets and a drug addict in their place.
I imagine the stench of the apartment leaked outside so it would not be surprising if neighbors complained.
On top of that the police coming several times probably also disturbed them.
Why has this thread in particular attracted so much samefag cancer “xD” and “poor wittle cow” cow-tipping personal army
bullshit. Is this just a winter break thing? Serious janitorial attention is needed.>>450615
Hey man, spoiler that shit and do it. He threatened to leak a 16 year old’s nudes that he asked for, right? Taste of his own medicine.
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There you go, spoiler is on cause you know..
Also, I deleted the last one like a second ago cause I forgot to spoil it. Sorry about that!!
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You are so fucking right. Fuck this guy. have another
ugh, this whole situation is so sad. I honestly used to relate to Taylor (or her facade) – I left school due to physical and mental illness, after years of bullying due to my rampant assburgers. I get how animals can be a wonderful, healing thing for people with said issues.
As for managing animal care with illnesses, yeah, it may take 2-4 hours a day to do all the work, but you can rest between tasks and you have a good bit of flexibility. For instance, a snake or fish isn't gonna die or freak if it's feeding is a couple hours late.
Honestly, I feel like people are focusing on her claimed physical issues too much – it's the mental ones that are getting in the way of proper pet care and generally ruining her life. I have no doubt someone will managed EDS and celiac could care for those pets but not cope with the rigid schedule and demands of most jobs. Not that this really applies, since we know she worked at Petco…
Oh, and the JC shit. As a recovering junkie, NO ADDICT WHO IS DRINKING LESS THAN A MONTH OUT OF REHAB IS ANYTHING NEAR SOBER. JC IS NOT FUCKING SOBER. Her condoning this shit publicly REALLY pisses me off. Kids will see this shit and think junkies can drink and smoke MJ as long as they say they're sober. People will see his bullshit and think all recovered addicts are still shit humans, never to be trusted.
I haven't seen people focusing on how fucked JC's claims of sobriety and Taylor's acceptance thereof are. To me it's one of the biggest issues. She's so fucking willfully stupid.
basicall tl;dr -
1. EDS/celiac isn't the problem re: pet care. its her mental health thats the problem.
2. y'all need to realize 30 fish and reptiles can be infinitely more manageable than 30 dogs or cats.
3. 1 and 2 dont matter because she's CHOOSING to fuck JC, and CHOOSING to keep buying animals when her life is in an incredibly unstable state. If you get new animals while going through HALF of what she is rn, you're an idiot or insane or both.
4. JC IS NOT FUCKING SOBER. He clearly has no intentions of BEING sober. He's probably using heroin again already, but if not, he will soon. He is NOT deserving of even cautious optimism, let alone her apparent complete trust, as he is clearly making no real effort to change. #TWISTEDTEA AMIRITE GUISE???
Taylor literally twetted a screenshot of a post, most of the newfags came after that.
Shit like this >>450630
though just spreads the ''hate-site'' narrative and I'm just tired of it. It's not even funny in Taylor's case.
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so she didn't quarantine the kittens
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I’m sorry, is this suddenly not a “hate-site,” if the qualifier for that is reposting nudes? Someone better let the cam whores thread know.
The nudes are literally watermarked from a different site. Don’t be retarded anon.
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yeah the size difference is concerning and she's just brushing it off. also her voice sounds hoarse at the end of the video but thats probably from crying because of everything that went down tonight (instead of drugs or anything like that).
ugh those kittens are so cute I just want them to be safe
>>450645>I haven't seen people focusing on how fucked JC's claims of sobriety and Taylor's acceptance thereof are. To me it's one of the biggest issues. She's so fucking willfully stupid.
I feel like it's because people are starting to get a hold of what's happening. His exes have been warning her since the very beginning but the white knights outnumbered them by far.
Like, the first month after they got together no one would call her out on twitter for the most part. Her followers always said the same shit, "they're happy so it doesn't matter what anyone says", "it's in his past", "everyone makes mistakes he's recovering", etc.
Not to mention that HIS fans are probably even more toxic that hers.
His exes have mentioned that one of the reasons he doesn't get called out as often as he should is because of his little army of fans who defend his every move. >>450663
The kitten is also fuller weight-wise.
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does this kinda read weird or forced to anybody else? it's like she saw some of yall doubting her diseases and interacted with a post about it to force the point.
I meant that it only reinforces the narrative, mainly in cases like this where it's not even relevant. It just makes it easier for them to cry wolf and I'm a bit tired of those same excuses, I'm probably just fed up because of the Raven thread, sorry.>>450656
Didn't an anon last thread say that some parasites/sickness are really hard to identify in kittens?
Taylor, I hope you are not going to the same shitty vet that said the female kitten was fine.
Jesus Christ, sage your fucking autist novella.
Speculating about the validity of her claimed illnesses is perfectly valid, especially given her OTT lying and attention-seeking behavior. It’s not detracting from what you so verbously deem as the “real” issues. If you disagree then mind your own and let the people who care to discuss it do so. It’s the million unsaged replies like yours that say “leave her invisible illnesses alone guise!!!!” that are derailing this thread.
However, your point about the drinking is valid. It’s troubling to me because like obviously being a junkie is bad, but the way his exes and several other sources over the years from concerts describe things, he’s a hellion when he’s drunk. There’s plenty accounts of his aggression when he’s drunk and may or may not be using, so the fact that he like… brags about being #twisty on Twisted Tea (also what the fuck? Are you a college freshman? Did Taylor buy you 30 Twisted Teas so you could get like half of a buzz?) or getting carried out of PF Chang’s by mall security because he’s too drunk and it’s all fine and well is just… I mean he really is shameless. A hallmark of a changed individual is recognizing all of your pitfalls as a human being and being so drunk you don’t remember stabbing holes in the walls and trashing your girlfriend’s room is definitely a pitfall! Definitely a reason to stop drinking, especially if you love someone and genuinely don’t want to harm them physically or otherwise.
Honestly, that’s more shady to me than anything. Of everything in this thread that she could and should address, this is the only thing she picks? Not the fact that she’s lying about where the cats came from, or that she’s lying about the DMs to Chelsea and her stories aren’t adding up, or that she’s lying about her and Jonny being clean, or that she’s defending her rapist boyfriend, or that she kills her pets…
No she’s picking this one, because she gets pity points from her followers (“they’re picking on poor disabled me :(“) and she seems like a champion for the cause of the disabled, and honestly it’s the one thing we can’t prove. We found her apartment and its pet policy, we found the craigslist ad she got the ragdoll from, we found out Petco won’t adopt out 5 week old kittens, we’ve screenshotted all her deleted tweets so her lies are more obvious, but the illnesses? All we can do about that is speculate.
Tons of diseases are difficult or impossible to detect in kittens so young. Specifically FeLV and FIV. It's one of the reasons it's so unwise to house kittens from different litters together; you don't know what they could have and/or spread to each other.
Feline coronavirus is also a concern, because when cats with coronavirus become stressed it can mutate into Feline Infectious peritonitis (FIP), which is pretty much 100% fatal and completely incurable (unless you count some of the newest, experimental treatments that saved 7 out of 20 cats with wet type FIP, but this is still in the testing phase so I don't count it tbh cause it's not available to normal people). I honestly wouldn;t be surprised if Nemo has the effusive type of FIP. He's not a very playful or energetic kitten, signs of FIP. But then again I think every sick kitten has FIP because of my own traumatic experience with an FIP kitten.
Couldn't agree more.
Newfags, shut the fuck up about how you think "muh EDS" should be off limits. It's moralfagging, it's bullshit, you're wrong. We are going to talk about it. Taylor is a lying munchie and the evidence is all over the place, but you're lazy cunts who won't look anything up for yourselves. Quit your reeeein'.
LOL I fucking hate the whole "the vet said it's fine!!!" BS. I doubt the vet said that, and even if they did, VETS AREN'T RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME. Vets can be stupid idiots and give pet owners shitty advice. They can make shitty decisions. This is the biggest reason it's important to do your own research as a pet parent. Fucking hell, vets will recommend that cat owners declaw their cats, which is a practice that's outlawed in many places because it's considered cruel. Vets aren't the end all be all of pet knowledge.
If her vet actually said that, she needs to find a new vet, because the vet sucks.
When my cat was sick, I was so terrified it was FIP. It made me physically sick with worry, because I love him so much and the thought of something being incurable, 100% fatal, hazardous to other cats, and the harbinger of his eventual painful death was just nightmarish to me.
She goes on and on about how she’s such an animal lover, but like. Losing a pet is heartbreaking. If I had a kitten who died in my care, I would not go and buy another equally vulnerable kitten to replace it after my negligence killed the first. I would probably want to fucking off myself, but first I would acknowledge the fact that it was my fault that an innocent living being died and I would relinquish the care of the remaining cat to someone more competent than I. The fact that she never even considered it might be her fault the kitten died and that she may be risking the life of Nemo who she “loves” so much and now she’s risking this new kitten’s life really just speaks to what an uncaring person she is. They’re living things, Taylor. They feel and they suffer. You don’t get to gamble with an animal’s life thinking “well maybe this time I’ll get it right.” That’s not something a real animal lover would do.
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LMAO and Jonny has already cheated on Taylor. Shocker!!
It’s also an account dedicated solely to calling JC out.
Color me skeptical. I’m going through his insta trying to figure out when he wasn’t with Taylor in November.
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From Caribou account
Craig said in the video:
"Fucking cunt,I dare you to scratch me in the face"
Kek, I'm guessing you're at minimum an OTT spoonie yourself, then. Pathetic exaggerations like saying we hate chronically ill people are why it's impossible to take you newfags seriously.
Also to "make a thread in munchies" anon - learn how the board works, dumbass.
No one has even said it's impossible she has an EDS diagnosis! Plenty of munchie cows manipulate their way into that. So her parents might even be telling what they think is the truth.
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Time to open the ol' Jonny vault.
To start off, he posted an underage nude photo of Kiki on Twitter (not going to post her photo obviously)
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Kiki responded with this tweet (2010, she was underage for sure)
Okay, so Taylor was in LA with Jonny November 3 - 10. They claim that Jonny snuck away from Taylor while she was there to go to this party. Key players mentioned are an Allison and an Angelo, whose house the party was supposedly at. I’m having a hard time finding either of them on social media.
Featured in the snaps is a very distinctive looking blue-haired girl with a million holes in her face.
Any of the people bitching about the munchie shit want to not be fucking lazy and put in the hours to ID these girls? Looking at you, >>450711
i’m not trying to white knight taylor, i’m just sick of some of the stuff being said here about hEDS, mostly just misinformation coming from people who have done a couple of google searches & think they know everything.
i’ve got hEDS, i was diagnosed when i was 7, nothing she’s said about her EDS has been inconsistent with hEDS.
keloid scarring, for example, is not a part of hEDS.
stop speculating about her diseases, keep it to the munchie thread, there’s a whole bunch of other shit to talk about, like the fact she’s being evicted lmao.
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I was going through his friend Lil Aaron’s twitter looking for the blue-haired girl and saw this and laughed. He thirst-tweets Pumpy, Layla, and Leda. All cows are connected.
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Just going to leave these here…
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This is why we don't think you have EDS you fuckin idiot Taylor. That scarring already discounts one of the minor diagnostic requirements, and here you said you don't have hypermobility you have joint pain. From the stuff you've said and the way you present yourself you don't fit the damn requirements. Joint pain can be psychological as well as being one of many disorders and you display none of the legit physical symptoms of EDS.
Fuckin kek, swelling isn't even a core symptom of EDS. This munchie can't even lie convincingly to those of us who know anything about the condition!
Fake it better, Taylor, if you're gonna fake it.
You are whiteknighting and also blogging so shut the fuck up. You can safely assume at least some of us discussing her munchie antics have the conditions she claims, but we don't feel the need to blog about it like you (pathetically) do. You clearly don't have a thorough knowledge of hEDS if you find her convincing. And it's the norm to discuss a cow's OTT spoonie/munchie actions in their
thread, hence Jaq, Kelly etc, the munchie thread is for people who don't have their own. Get a clue, newfag.
>>450686>>A hallmark of a changed individual is recognizing all of your pitfalls as a human being
Sorry anon, I think I worded myself poorly. I'm not saying she's not a munchie. She most likely is. I'm just saying that saying "if she really had all these illnesses, she couldn't care for her pets" isn't necessarily valid. Not that she isn't a munchie, not that she isn't bad at husbandry, just that even if she had what she says at the severity she says, she could still probably keep up if she wasn't fucking insane. But she is fucking insane.
As to the autist novella part, I cop to that completely. I've been holding this shit in for a LONG time.
And yeah. Any junkie's claims of caring can only be judged accurately with their dedication to sobriety and clean time taken into account. And Johnny has ZERO of either.
Surely someone with experience in anxiety/depression wouldn't be laughing about having anxiety attacks like gurl.
I think honestly people need to calm down with all this munchie bs, she's a liar so whatever she says there's a grain of salt to go with it.
If she had EDS which was severe enough to stop her from working / going to school. She could not take care of /all/ of those animals (not animals full stop, one pet and no one would bring it up).
As it stands, if she has it, it barely affects her.
It seems like a few people are new and I'm sick of reading "learn to sage" and "newfag" over and over. I am guessing a lot of people found the thread due to Taylor's tweets last night, and that's great, welcome. Here's some help: https://lolcow.farm/info
Nothing wrong with speculation on the munchies front, though I personally feel like there's more interesting shit to talk about. I think if she had munchausen's by proxy we would've seen more evidence of it in how she treats her animals - more death defying "I saved them" videos. So far we only have the axolotl one, and it sounds like that was from neglect which isn't really a munchausen's by proxy hallmark. People with it tend to cause intentional harm.
But hey - if she does have munchausen's by proxy, it'll be interesting to see what she does when Jonny inevitably starts ODing and ending up in the hospital all the time.
Depends what you mean by 'I saved them' videos.
We have the 'rescued' (possibly bought off craigslist) kitten Nemo.
We have another 'adopted' kitten.
We have 80 turtles she bought but 'rescued'.
We have Gus her mouse that she 'rescued'.
We have the green tree python that she failed to rescue.
We have the previously mentioned axolotl video.
We have 'rescued' hedgehog's left and right…
Pretty sure some of her fish she claimed to be 'rescues' too.
This is legit like the only rude person I have seen on this thread so far.
Need to chill or go somewhere else.
no, they’re just internet infamous. Leda is LedaMonsterBunny, she used to be popular on youtube for her style and looks. more based on twitter now i think, she’s dated a few youtubers also.
Kiki is kiki kannibal, which a quick trip down google will educate you on. she has a thread here, too.
sage for no contribution.
Actually I was mistaken, I thought LedaBearX was HaiLedaBear. They’re both brightly colored scene girls named Leda, except the former is actually a cam whore, and that’s who he was thirst-tweeting. I don’t want anyone to think LedaMonsterBunny is camming now.
But Layla is _toopoor and Pumpy is a pretty notorious camwhore. Both are kind of the figureheads of their respective general threads here.
Sage for OT non-con as well.
Wait people here don't know about Kiki from her golden years?
I wish her old Stickam videos were still up she was such a piece of shit and probably still is lol.
Back to Taylor… I normally don't get so irritated with cows to the point of saying anything publically, but I responded agreeing with a Twitter acount that was questioning her about the new kitten. I was not harsh with my wording at all but of course IMMEDATELY her army responded.
I just stopped replying because they're a lost cause.
Fine. I don’t think saying “learn to read” to someone clearly new to the board is so the rudest thing ever said here, but I concede. My apologies, novella anon.
You write the word ‘sage’ in the email field so it doesn’t bump the board with posts that don’t provide milk. Welcome to the farm.
Haha, it's ok. I'm not new to chans (actually habboraid oldfag), I just wasn't aware that sageing was used that way here. It's actually genius.
Also, I greentexted that bit about JC ironically, since I was copping to my own mistakes in my reply and I thought it was funny.
Anon you're not alone. I started following her last year when she wasn't even remotely youtube famous and she seemed like a down to earth, genuine girl. She also looked pretty cool.
I was pretty much scared for her not long ago because of the Jonny situation, but the moment I saw Jonny's tweet about how they were both laughing about the texts Chelsea sent her, she lost me. Then I started to see the plethora of issues with how she cares for her animals like keeping them in the closet. Who gives a shit if it's your dream apartment, if you claim your animals are your children you fucking look for a place where they don't have to be crammed into places like the fucking closet.
Overall what killed it for me is how willing she was to dismiss and block everyone who wasn't kissing her ass about Jonny, including his exes.
She was still blaming them for the info leak ffs. Worst part is that she is using her white knights to keep covering her ass. "She's a grown adult" my fucking ass.
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timeline for kitten "adoption".
accidentally uploaded as .png instead of .jpg last time so deleting and posting the smaller file.
"This is a folder with a bunch of empty dividers in it."
and a single almost completely blank cleaning sheet
Yeah nails are the issue though as they have the potential to trap bacteria, fungal spores and dirt under them, between the natural nail and the acrylic. Which then can turn into nail infection if nails get wet (washing hands after cleaning cages) as it's an ideal place for bacteria and fungus to grow, warm and wet.
Sage for going off topic.
She wouldn't need a medical alert bracelet for celiac (not sure about any of the other conditions she lists).
The point of a medical alert bracelet is to notify others of a medical condition in the event of a medical emergency in which the wearer is unable to provide that information. Exposure to gluten typically results in gastrointestinal issues not anaphylaxis so a medical alert bracelet doesn't do much good for an adult in this case.
It is interesting that she would take the steps to have the employees at Chipotle change their gloves but would allow pasta and bread to be prepared at home. Its still a possibility that she has celiac - after all that video was sponsored so the money made could have been a motivator and she could have just taken extra care cleaning the counters and pots. I just would have thought that she would pick a meal with less gluten.
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They do make them, I had a GF coworker who wore one. Although you are correct in that I can’t imagine a situation where they wouldn’t be able to communicate their illness. I don’t think you can shit yourself unconscious, but maybe severe dehydration could cause confusion and an inability to communicate? Who knows.
But yes, I agree with you. The only non-GF item at Chipotle is their tortillas, and not every employee handles them. If I remember correctly the person who handles the tortillas doesn’t handle the lettuce or cheese, but I’m not sure if that’s actually company policy. I’m more of a burrito bowl girl myself anyway.
Anon, this is really good!
But shouldn't you include the statement she made about the craigslist seller that was debunked by the other anon? Plus the comparison pic here>>450465
If you can't I'll try to do it when I get home. It's great regardless!
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I got your point, it isn't munchausen's by proxy but it's something way to similar, she doesn't need to make them sick or neglect them if they are already in bad shape.
For me it stop being "good" of her part when she bought that sick python that obviously gonna die, and when it did she just got a refund and bought another. She doesn't even grief for her pets.
Probably it is silly to grief for a animal you just got and die in a week, but you already name it and got it an enclosure. (Even when she doesn't even do that cause she is way to impulsive and buy animals like gifts)
She reminds me of those little girls whom pets die, she makes a rant mostly because now she doesn't have her new toy and her parents buy her a new one so she just shut the fuck up.
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I just can't with her emo poems
If that was my mother I would run away with the first yonki I see too.
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chelsea's mom posted this on twitter and taylor's mom liked it
Anon, that was clearly not the point of the post. They were probably responding to this>>450915
If she was so sensitive she had to make them change gloves why would she work there at all?
It's all pretty boring tbh>>451077
I don't understand, is this Chelsea's mom? Why the hell would she love someone who abused her daughter?
I haven't been a part of the munchie discussion because I don't feel like it's my place to comment, but I just want to say:
Munchhausen's by Proxy is when you make it seem like someone /else/, someone who depends on you (child, elderly adult, person with disabilities) is sick when they really aren't. The "by proxy" means that it's not /you/ who is pretending to be sick, but you're forcing a pretend/perceived sickness onto another person.
If Taylor has Munchhausen's, it is just called Munchhausen's syndrome. Not by proxy. She is not claiming that someone else is sick.
sage for correcting anons who think they know everything about munchhausen's but can't even use the right diagnostic term for the syndrome
oh my god you're still going on and on about this anon? no, you don't get to say what the thread discusses and what it doesn't. shut up. you've been triggered
for like 24 hours no one cares and the discussion won't stop because your feelings are hurt.
i hope the mods warn all you PULL faggots to stop shitting the discussion. nothing is off limits, the thread is about everything regarding TND.
It was brought up here in reference to Munchausen's By Internet which involves people feigning illnesses online. I think some people confused that with Munchausen's By Proxy.
And I don't think anyone here is claiming that Taylor definitely has MBI more just speculating that its a possibility. (And for the anon with the chronic illness that is outraged that people dare question Taylor's chronic illness - it is possible for a person to have a chronic illness and still be a munchie)
I actually got quite sad when i learned her kitten died. I didn't know any of this back then, but even days after i kept thinking about how sad it was. If she's such an animal lover I would expect her actions
to demonstrate more sensitivity towards the loss of the animal in her possession, regardless of whether she had it for a long time (like one of her hedgehogs who died yet again and she promised she wouldn't buy another one, but sometime later…), or for a short time (the python). I always assumed she grieved in private, but now I'm not so sure about that.
someone tweet this at her
sage bc no contribution
I see, thank you.>>451147
Yeah, new account's posts aren't even very visible. You have to really work with that account before it's usable.
To the people arguing about her illnesses, did you miss in the last thread when she took that from here and turned herself into a victim bawwing about how we are doubting her ~invisible illnesses~? So that she can come across as more credible than here? This is the reason why this is so annoying. Her tweets are just a constant battle to win her audience over with her lies and you're helping her. Also why everyone is asking for actual proof and not just speculation about this.>>450716
Link to this video: https://twitter.com/caribou__cloud/status/943987188441628672
Totally someone you want near your "children".
I deleted my post because I misread the linked thread, but the latter part still stands.
>The mods have abandoned this godless thread, apparently. Someone asked for a containment in meta like five days ago to no avail. It needs more of a quarantine than the proana/E-who-must-not-be-named thread did.
It’s not a technical term. The janitors and farmhands haven’t touched on the spam or infighting or samefagging in days. This thread has the cancer and it needs to be cut out.
sage but omg>hymilation
I guess that's what happens when you cross raw humiliation with a Himalayan cat.
She already convinces herself that. It’s why she’s with a rapist, abusive junkie and has alienated herself from her family for the ~experience~ of dating him. I think everyone who has a similar angle should consider how your logic honestly works against you here. Apart from her illnesses entirely, there’s plenty of other things she’s delusional about. We say, “here’s proof and inconsistencies in your story that suggest you were responsible for the neglect and death of your animals,” and she says, “NOPE! The vet says they’re all perfectly fine and their deathS are a mystery and I’m a perfect savior angel and NOT an animal hoarder so you don’t know what you’re talking about <3 hahaha here’s my seven new snakes!!!” She honestly doesn’t believe that she’s neglecting her animals when she 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt thinks that she’s doing a great job. Therefore, our credibility is already lost on her. We’re already just hating ass bitches for that alone.
That’s why this whole “help Taylor!!!!!’” thing is so OTT and akin to that Joyce youtuber everyone thought was kidnapped, “blink twice if you’re being held captive by ISIS!!!” She’s a grown woman who made her own decisions. She decided to be an animal hoarder and date an abuser and laugh at his rape victims. It’s also perfectly plausible that she decided to stretch the truth about her illnesses, because she’s a liar. I don’t know why it’s lost on anti-munchie spergs why those things are not mutually exclusive.
you think she’s feeling completely confident and secure in her pet mom record and ability to take care of animals? She’s a child, no way she’s that convinced. I’m sure she feels bad about it and that’s why she doubles down.
The point I was making is that a lot of people genuinely would like to see her dump this dude, kick him out of her house, and stop hoarding animals. They’re here for a totally different reason than people who want to discuss her munchieness. A bunch of people want to DO something. Really doubt there’s anyrhing anyone from the interwebs can do, but the more you attack someone the more they defend (especially if you’re right).
She’s probably doing a lot of this out of spite. Just not wanting to admit her bad decisions or seem like she lets people tell her what to do. Jonny’s a shit but he probably gives her plenty of validation. eh it’s sad all around
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I absolutely do. Part of that is because she is so impressionable, and right now in droves people are flocking to her twitter with pictures of their pets saying they say she’s doing “such a good job!!!” because it gets them retweets. She’s sitting in her echo chamber, because like you said, Jonny validates the shit out of her (after all, it keeps him off the street and getting top from someone who doesn’t mind that he’s using AGAIN) and so do her fans. She doesn’t listen to anyone else: Chelsea, Amanda, her parents, or us. Yet most of all, I refuse to give any heed to supposed self-doubt because she keeps. Buying. More. Pets. At a certain point it’s time to wake up and smell the filthy axolotyl tank.
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Holy shit her stans are unbearable
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living it up on taylor's youtube bux
i’m starting to think that taylor has always been an insufferable bitch IRL, how else would you be able to put up with this kind of personality? no matter where he goes or what he does everyone knows every detail of it because he’s sloppy and a braggart for all the wrong reasons, she must be similar if she’s willing to put up with this and defend it 24/7.
at first i had sympathy but it’s all gone now. can’t wait to watch her viewerbase completely turn on her. it’s only a matter of time anyway, she can only block so many people.
Because she was never going to get evicted, she’s just a liar who likes to make things up for sympathy because she’s always the victim. She made it sound like hundreds of people called her leasing office. I can’t imagine more than one or two people actually did. She just read here that people were thinking of doing it and thought she’d beat us to the punch by saying we already got her evicted.
This cow’s lying is starting to seem pathological, to be honest. It’s just so easy for her.
He’s so fucking trashy. Dude. No one cares about you flashing cash that isn’t even yours. You’re in your fucking 30s and had the talent to actually make something with your life and you blew literally all of it on dope.
Like wow, a 12,000 dollar mattress your child girlfriend bought with money she earned from actually nurturing some semblance of a career. I can’t believe she’s letting your homeless toothless nasty ass sleep on it. Can’t wait until he tries to sell it for smack like he did with the MacBook scam. #Blessed tho, fam.
good god every single time this gets me really irrationally angry.
also this is honestly pathetic. homegirl thought we were jealous of her shit nah man. at least i'm not the one who has to support a junkie a decade older than me lmao.
They never really got any confirmation on it. She vagued about it to get sympathy. In that regard she's a lot like her mom.
Basically what she was doing was "Well since you guys want me EVICTED I am gonna look for something else before I actually am qq even though this was my *~dream apartment~* ;_;"
She got the brownie points, milked the shit out of her fans giving her positive vibes, then deleted all of that shit in an attempt to look like she's moved past it but not really.
Right now I think they'll most likely lay low, until people forget about this. Especially Jonny. Right now whether or not people support them, all eyes are on him, so yeah he'll be really fucking stupid to put a hand on her.>>451455>she must be similar if she’s willing to put up with this and defend it 24/7.
oh dude she is. She has boasted about material shit like the Cartier bracelet and the iPhone X on twitter.
We seem to have an influx of new users in this thread.
Please learn to sage (by putting the word sage in the email field) and read up on the rules.https://lolcow.farm/ruleshttps://lolcow.farm/info
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gotta make sure to mention it's GLUTEN FREE guys. since anons were arguing about her celiac disease and the blue apron kit. hi tay
wow. if she's spending 12k on a BED already, when her e-fame is less than a year old and totally unproven, her youtube bux aren't gonna last long…>>451463
lol, that's the thing. even TAYLOR won't be able to get her money back on purchases like that because furniture has no resale value.
if she's spending that on a fucking bed, imagine what she's compulsively spending on clothes and other random shit to fill the void when there's no reptile expo.
also, just to point out, she's honestly totally representative of the WORST of the exotic pet trade. a lot of her practices are luxurius compared to what some people have convinced themselves is acceptable husbandry, esp with snakes. some of the earliest controversy with her was how she did a collab with Brian Barczyk of BHB Reptiles. He has a literal fucking snake mill with thousands of snakes in plastic tubs their bodies take up half of coiled. He breeds thousands of ~cool morphs~, some of which have known genetic problems, and sells sick snakes.
And yet, many people in the hobby consider him totally great. Like Taylor. The amount of "I want this pretty snake, so I'll delude myself into believing it's happiest in a shoebox" (they really try to argue this) in the reptile hobby is astounding and fucking disgusting.
Pretty sure that was me lmao.
It was to prove a point that they shouldn’t be in the dark because that alone is cruel af imo. I actually expected to get blocked by her but it seems like she hasn’t.
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do you guys really think they got a 12k bed? wouldnt they be posting pictures of it flaunting it?
she posted this earlier and i dont know if its their bedroom but everything looks a mess.. that seems like a mattress on the floor not a fancy bed
I reckon she spends money with no thought at all. All the pets she buys, when she bought 80 turtles like it was nothing. Her hair is always redone, her nails always filled in, always in the trendy clothes.
I mean fair enough its your money, but you should be more sensible when you have alk these pets to care for. What if the addpocalypse of youtube effected her, she still has so many mouths to feed and home, now a junkies habbit to help pay for
This is why it's always important for YouTubers to invest as much as they can into property or some other shit.
This money isn't going to last forever and while I'm sure her parents would willingly support her well into her adulthood animals can cost a ton of money. She is going to end up back with her parents at the end of all this and Jonny will have taken all her money.
Makes it so weird to think that she is reading all of this and is like 'this is fine' with no concern for her animals or lifestyle. What a mess of a person tbh.
if she's still reading this, which she probably is or will, i bet she's getting all defensive in her head like you do when you're 20 and have no idea what you're doing but can't even admit it to yourself. when she's 25 or 30 she'll probably look back and cringe so fucking hard at this situation.
i speak from experience, as i think many of her critics do. certainly JC's exes. we all do dumbass shit in our teens and early 20s, with varying degrees of severity. the problem is, the dumbass shit she's doing could REALLY have some SEVERE lasting consequences for both her and her animals. i think this is why it's so upsetting for many – she's like what would happen if you listened to that dumb rebellious voice in your head when you were a kid, and did every little thing it told you.
sadly, esp with how prevalent drugs are nowadays, lots of people who don't curb young rebelliousness don't survive long enough to look back and cringe.
I agree. I don’t really know the dynamics of her living situation with her parents and what she paid there, but this is her first time on her own, right? Jonny is paying NOTHING, she’s got $3000 rent, buying $12,000 beds, Cartier bracelets, iPhones, plane tickets, footing hotel bills, etc. So she goes from her parents’ house potentially not paying for anything but her pets and their care, expos, etc. to this kind of spending in a month. Yeah. She’s going to bleed herself dry in no time, especially when she keeps doing shit to lose followers.
If the drug use gets worse, there will be a noticeable effect on the animals. The #1 thing that will fuck up her youtube career is clear, near-inarguable evidence that she’s mistreating one or more animals. But the #2 thing is not making videos, for obvious reasons. And if the animals look bad, she’ll have a hard time making videos.. unless she just wants to vlog about her boyfran and all the expensive shit she got.
So on top of burning through money like it’s nothing, which she was doing before the $12k mattress, she can’t keep up that income if what we think is going on is going on. If it gets to that point, she probably will choose to go back to her parents. Not like the junkie has anything to offer right?
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this doesnt really look like a 12k bed. idk why he'd lie about that, seems so silly
Do you honestly expect her to change the way she cares for her pets when, for one person who calls her out, even if it's nicely, 5 people will flock to that person like vultures because they're attacking their idol?
I've seen people saying shit like that as well and there's ALWAYS someone who's like "WELL DO YOU KNOW HER? NO. SHE KNOWS WHAT SHE'S DOING REEEE".
Those people are her anchor to keep doing all the shit she does, Jonny included.
She is a classic case of a nouveau riche like many other dumb teen youtubers out there.
I don't doubt their bed is 12k, it's probably just overpriced. Next she will be wearing vetements LE shit. Funny that once she made Fun of Jake Paul lol.
Snake racks are standard and depending on the species of snake much less stressful than see through, open, large tanks. Never heard a anyone but peta crazies complain about it - because they anthropomorphise the fuck out of animals and just assume they want what humans want.
Cold-blooded animals are all about energy conservation. Moving around is stressful for them and they only do it if they have to. They do prefer to live in smaller enclosures, it's less stressful for them. Not every animal wants or needs what humans want or need even if it seems like something you couldn't live without like open space or light.
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It's the pattern he always follows just like >>451836
He always moves in with the girl he's after.
He always gets an animal right after.
He always pretends everything is fine and how he's blessed and clean.
But behind closed doors he's a piece of shit. When they break up he'll try to take the kittens with him or straight up abandon them.
For someone who claims animals are her passion, she sure as fuck overlooks the 6 or so pets he has left behind.
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Racks aren't inherently bad. His racks aren't properly sized and have other issues. And yes, energy conservation. Obviously they don't need what mammals do. But if you've ever observed reptiles in the wild you would realize not all are fossorial or ambush predators and to house all reptiles like they are is…ehhh. A large opaque tub with hides and cover is a much better enclosure for a ball python. Microclimates don't exist in Brian's racks.>>451810
Yes, Jay sucks too. LOTS of people in the reptile trade have poor or bare minimum husbandry.
My point is, Taylor literally does not care, as long as the dude is famous.
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HAHAHAHA. All the bajillions of comments on her recent vids are fake profiles…
And don't y'all love the GUYS WE'RE SO HAPPY SO HAPPY FORREAL I PROMISE WE ARE BOTH SO HAPPY? And they just keep reading and replying…
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He's so confident in the money from those "like 8 CD's" that he blocked me for this. This account is 3 years old.
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mind you, if he didn't care so much him and Tay would be ignoring this whole drama. Instead they're just fuelling it constantly.
They're both in it for the money at this point i think
Right? The dude is an idiot, he can't write anything coeherent.>>451851
I haven't heard his songs but they are either stupidly simplistic or he uses a ghost write.
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He doesn’t actually believe this. He’s just saying it to gaslight the shit out of Taylor. He’s been faced with harsh, public criticism for the past decade. It’s gotten him kicked out of bands and pulled off of tours numerous times. Like, when literal quorums are held to decide if you deserve to still be at Warped Tour and the general public decides no because you’re THAT much of a piece of shit who sexually assaulted one of your workers.
Him saying “babe it’s just your parents making up lies” leads to “so you’re not allowed to see them anymore/if you cared about us you wouldn’t see them anymore” and he gets his way. Total isolation and delusion for her.
Samefag, but the more I think about this, the more it bothers me. Jesse Lacey of Brand New’s career is effectively over because of the allegations of sexual harassment against him - as it should be. JC has been doing this shit for a DECADE, using his fame to find vulnerable (UNDERAGE) women to leech off of while he uses and abuses them. I feel as if the Me Too movement just missed him entirely because he’s publicly been a piece of fucking garbage for ten years. You can’t shame this man out of his career because he has no shame. He’s fine with the fact that he’s a rapist and a pedophile. Apparently his label is too.
I can’t anymore. Not your personal army, I know, but who wants to join me in contacting his label/Sony and get this fucker sacked? I can’t stand the fact that he still has a career. I mean it is Sony and they still employ Ke$ha’s rapist, but I think putting appropriate pressure on them to acknowledge the kind of person they’re signing paychecks for is the least we can do.
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who called it? taylor's buying him teeth lmfao
I assumed it was a typo when he said 12k - there aren't a lot of mattresses out there that cost 12k (even ones that are adjustable and have massage features like he mentioned are still usually under 3000.
If you are sleeping on a 12k mattress you are likely not renting an apartment.
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Lmao anon, very good
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they're so petty
most good animal youtubers obviously, visibly put their yt money back into their hobby in a big way. taylor could have bought a fucking property to use as an exotics rescue. or at least she could have given her existing animals major upgrades, like giving cheese a properly sized aquarium. just the fact she moved into an apartment (rather than a house) proves this was a slapdash shitshow.
at a time a sane person interested in a career with longjevity would be doing this stuff, she can't even get her apartment unpacked or make videos… to me thats the most compelling evidence of drug use.
it really pisses me off to imagine what the good animal youtubers could do with taylor type money.
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''No, BEFORE she met Jonny''
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Sage in email not subject>>452316
Her intro and outro were 'new'. All 30 seconds of it, but her face was visible.
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are they even open on christmas? or is she just not getting enough attention and asspats so she has to make up more shit?
probably down to a T lmfao
Does she not realise animal control type of people wont take the pets as long as they have shelter and food and there isnt video evidence of her beating them.
I called on a neighbour who left her dogs outside all through a horrible wet winter and they did nothing because tjey had access to shelter (broken kids trampoline) and availble food and water bowls. Ridiculous
Or if she has more animals than can be justified in her living situation. There's a difference between having 30 pets because you converted part of your house into a shelter and having 30 pets because you keep buying random animals for your apartment.
There's no evidence she's had any kind of visitations except wellness checks, and she didn't talk about those in detail, either. Is Jonny just telling everyone at the door to fuck off?>>452443
Very nice catch. What I hear is "This one I actually bought-… er, got five weeks ago, and I got at" right at the end of the video. She obviously meant "days" and mixed it up because the kittens are both around five weeks old. Her freudian slip, however…
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lookin' good on jonny's instagram
The pets are her "job" now. Her videos where they're manhandled and stressed out for entertainment bring in the money.
Sadly her fans now see this as her "job" as in "of course she's taking care of the kitten properly, it's literally her job".
I know Kiki from the "golden years" of scene modelling (oh my god her awful parents)…. I think it was the LiveJournal group GetOffMySpace that brought her and her shitty raccoon hair and eyeliner to my attention. ~so edgy~
Sage for non-con, thought some would enjoy the flashback.
That's weird. Usually allergies on medical IDs are for medications so if you're unconscious a medic will know not to give you NSAIDs, or penicillin etc.
She could legit have a medical ID for EDS (assuming she has it), because it means any moving and handling has to be done very carefully.
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Okay but how has this picture her mom posted not ended up on this thread
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maybe a YouTube playlist? I’m not sure but it doesn’t look like us even in the darker colored themes
You can technically get a medical ID for anything. Food allergies on ID bracelets are much more common in young kids who are not yet able to know how to avoid the allergens (know to ask if the food contains the allergen or know which foods to just avoid) without adult assistance. It would be pretty uncommon for an adult to have one - if they had other conditions and room on the tag/bracelet they might add it.
Generally, the existence or lack of existence of a medical id is not a good indicator of whether or not someone does or doesn't have an illness/disability.
For everyone’s reading pleasure, here’s the city of San Antonio’s approach to what is animal cruelty.http://www.sanantonio.gov/Animal-Care/Animal-Health-Welfare/Stop-Cruelty-Reporting
(Sorry for not screenshotting but it’s long.)
Basically as long as her pets’ needs for appropriate shelter, food, and veterinary care are met, she’s in the clear. There doesn’t seem to be a statute on hoarding.
That being said, it’s a government office and they definitely weren’t open on Christmas Day or Christmas Eve, so she’s talking out of her ass.
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Tired of Taylor stans talking about how she truly
isnt a bad person, because muh 'issues'. Its utter bullshit, she is sleeping with a rapist
how can that not be made anymore clear. She willfully ignored people who Jonny has hurt, then texted them to vent about his behaviour pleading for empathy from the exes in private, while publicly Jonny is shitting down their throats and she
is posting about how she is just living a great life with her magical rocker bf in the ~dream apartment~
Stop defending garbage and sage goes in the email field.
(she's also killed a bunch or her animals and other shitty traits but this is p high up)
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Besides bringing lots of attention, fame tends to make you rich. Which is something she seems to have always been desperate for. If you do a "money" search on her tweets, she mentions it a lot. Here's a few gems:
yeah as others have pointed out, because the rescue system is already so overburdened, the standards of animal care services type places are basically the bare minimum of care for an animal to stay alive and not be in obvious pain and suffering.
taylor knows this, i'm sure. she knows a clearance from acs means nothing. as you said, she's just trying to pull another "these people are crazy, everything is fine".
and i'm sure she also knows that if you have the knowledge and money and time to take better care of your pets, and you don't (because you're busy or lazy or just think they seem ok), THATS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
another thing – has everyone noticed how as time went on, her videos became less substantial, and more "look at my new _____!"? honestly, i feel like animal haul videos have no real place on youtube. all it does is make people (especially kids) who don't know what they're doing want the cute animal, without giving them any idea of what responsibility is involved. their popularity also promotes channels making more for the views.
Don't be a cunt. I'm not a "stan" if I'm here and my post WAS saged, god forbid I forgot which field it went in so I wrote it in both. I tried? I don't spend all of my Christmas day refreshing this page. Taylor is clearly problematic
but you just seem bitter and frankly kind of jealous to get that heated over my rather neutral response. If you don't want her dead, get off the thread? Fuck off, you ruin the credibility of any strong arguments on this thread that could actually be used to make a difference. Love yourself, boo
What sort of signs are we talking?
We barely ever really see her without make up so its hard to judge if any skin issues are related
mostly meth and to a lesser degree coke, but heroin can make you itchy and get started picking that way. some people definitely do pick their skin on heroin.>>452739
to me, a recovering heroin addict, the biggest sign is her inability to do fucking anything. if she can't unpack OR make videos, the fuck is she doing? likely napping and nodding off all day with JC.
i think the iffy skin is a reach, we see one zit. tons of people have zits, tons of people pick on them without the help of drugs, and tons of druggies don't. it's a huge reach.
samefagging, sorry, but >>452741
is absolutely right about the "sick" thing. a junkie is always "sick" – either too high to do anything but roll around in bed, or too far into withdrawal to do anything but roll around in bed.>>452741
is there a pic or vid with obvious pinning? i'm not sure her normal vids count because i know she uses ringlights etc which make normal folks pinned.
Did she post them on facebook on some thing? Thats wild if she did.
Or was tumblr around back then?
Cant imagine posting my own nudes at 16
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Her first twitter selfie. At 16 her lips were fine as this, why did she want them done?
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How much do you guys want to bet that the poor hedgehog didn't actually get a bath after Taylor took these pictures?
It should have never gotten that dirty to begin with!
And hedgehogs can easily become overweight.
Sage for former hedgie owner.
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been following jonny for a while and was recently pointed to this thread. this man is an actual maniac and will have taylor ruined before this time next year.
i started searching taylor's past tweets with queries relevant to her recent drama, she seems like a self fufilling prophecy with all the projection im seeing.
ive been blocked by jonny on twitter for calling him out in the past after seeing his "haha rape" or "i hope you get raped" tweets. he will always reply to you and block you as to get the last word in and keep his circle jerking fans wet. jc fans are worse than taylor's as they actually think he can get better tho it has been known that he is a washed up dick head since their 2nd album in 2008. also if you just read some of the lyrics it's clear he doesnt really like women.
honestly hoping he just dies when he ODs next time because he will continue to ruin lives so long as he keeps getting signed to labels and has a host to leech off of.
one other thing that's pretty funny and idk if it's been talked about in the thread. he tried to get on the tv show the voice but was denied due to his past
i wouldnt say he exactly spells it out but calling women whores or similar things is pretty common on a lot of songs on downtown battle mountain 1. if you want some really cringey shit listen to the audio clip at the end of blue dream.
idk i havent listened to them in years because they aren't good. lyrics are more questionable when he's in the band from what ive noticed, ive heard that their new vocalist says some questionable shit too. be warned though all of their lyrics might make you die of cringe.
if you want to look into it yourself he was on downtown battle mountain 1 and 2
True Colors, Slaves' newest single, talks about one of his exes, might be two; Liz and Chelsea.
I refuse to listen to his garbage but you could always check out the lyrics. Chelsea's mom swears that some of those are actual texts Chelsea sent him.
If is true she suffer from depression then it was really stupid from her to leave Kida behind (if it was really a service dog which a doubt)
Someone ask how often she bath her hedgehog (even her fans realize how dirty it was) and she said the dirt was just of one day when she left it alone and she try not to bath her that often because it skin will get dry.
I feel bad because the chances that the poor hedgehog is living in it's own piss and crap for days in it's enclosure are very high.
Yeah I've doubted her depression more than once myself, especially with the whole Kida thing (as well as the suicide joke)
Just wanted to toss that in there as a possibility
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bish look like cruela de vil
Even her mum said that the place was a mess with substrate all over the floor, no?
That alone is bad.
I doubt she'd also notice that one of her geckos died if it cam to that. Their habitats are fairly dense (which is good) but I'm pretty sure she only drops the food in rather than checking if they're well etc.
As someone who has depression, (and I may just be speaking for myself), I have made many, many jokes about myself dying. But I have never, NEVER, made a suicide joke about one of my pets. It's normal to make them about yourself when depressed, but not about things you supposedly love.
And yeah now that she's got the pity points from Kida, she didn't need her any longer so she "traded" her in for her snakes.. honestly that's probably better for Kida. Taylor's brother probably gives more attention to Kida than Taylor ever did.
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wow it’s fucking really that bad
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She said she was going to study marine biology earlier this year.
About 2 years ago, she said she wanted to do acting. Around 5 years ago, she said she wanted to study Criminal Justice, be an actress, a photographer, a singer, and to "do something" with animals.
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she deleted the first tweet mentioning drama
Substrate is pretty hard not to get on thr floor when you are getting animals out so that shouldnt really be looked down on. We dont know how often them clean it after.
Mandhandling is uncalled for though like leave them the fuck alone. Dobt stress them just for an aesthetic photo
Normally you clean it up after you are done. So, unless she was in the middle of cleaning their cages… eh.
Also her mum even commented on the filth last time and the fact that she probably doesn't even have a hoover.
In a way I don't think this is just a normal mess one would make.
Yeah, she should remove the carpet specially if she wants her cats and hedgehog to be around (if the cats don't know how to go to the bathroom it will be a nightmare cleaning that mess)
Besides what is doing JC? I mean as long as we know Taylor is paying everything at least he could help cleaning a little bit since he doesn't do shit. (Neither do Taylor but u know what I mean)
There does at least appear to be a vacuum of some kind in that second picture. >>454060>>454285
If she is renting an apartment she likely doesn't have the option to remove the carpet - but its not like she didn't know she was going to have the animals before she moved in so she should have thought out where they would be kept beforehand or tried to find a place without carpeting since I assume that keeping the living space clean is almost a full time job when you own a small zoo
>>453964>She said she was going to study marine biology earlier this year.
Actual biologyfag here, and lmao at her ignorance of what marine biology actually entails. IMO it's one of the most boring field of biology if you like animals you can actually see and touch. 99% of marine biology is all about micro-organisms - plankton, diatoms etc.
She's just ignorant and thinks it involves cut charismatic animals. It's not and it doesn't.
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Literally have spent 5 hours going through this thread. Used to watch her videos from time to time because I had a genuine interest in learning about non-mammal pet care. Always thought she was looking for attention especially after the ‘Cheese’ voice thing. Tbh never followed her anywhere else because YouTubers don’t really seem to have a lot of substance. Then I saw comments about JC on the first kitten vid. Then I got on her social media and noticed how she handles criticism and it really rubs me the wrong way. Kinda makes me sick to think she’s supposed to be a ‘role model’ for people and she treats people who offer her advice or call her out on her mistakes like crap.
It’s really a shame she could’ve been so much more.
Sage for expressing an opinion about the situation (not sure I’m new)
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so was this just for the likes ??
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I used to follow Taylor but I always thought something about her was off. I found her when I was starting to get into fish keeping and I'm glad I didn't follow her advice. This is not how stocking works. It doesn't matter how big the fish is, they need the bare minimum from the start. I have a fish I kept in a tank too small for him for a few months and felt absolutely guilty to the point of making myself sick. Idk how she doesn't feel bad. And if Zazu really is stinging him she should have rehomed them or atleast given cheese a temp tank. Knowing her though she'd probably never take him out. Poor Cheese. If you can barely take care of fresh water animals you shouldn't even think of taking on salt water.
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not to be psycho but i'm glad he's in pain and i hope it hurts for a looooong time
sage (i hope i did it right) for nothing new
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Would dentists even agree to fix teeth that are practically going to be ruined even further?
Private dentists in the UK are really strict about their schedules since time can be wasted when there are people who actually need the appointment more. Idk… seems like a money hungry dentist here which you can't really blame but… eh.
hey hope this doesn't sound shitty but i think you put sage in the subject and its supposed to be in the email slot.
but yeah i absolutely agree. hes a piece of trash who clings to "we" and "us" because her feelings are irrelevant and it's all about how HE feels
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my cat does this exact thing, we have a lazy susan in the corner cabinet and he loves to go all the way to the back corner and turn the lazy susan around from behind, it's so weird and like dude why don't you like any of the 403 toys I bought for you where you bat at balls in a circular track, you would rather bat at the food on a giant circular track
sage for blogging but like you can't blame her for having a cat that does cat things lol cats are silly little assholes
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I think she knows what she's doing. It's like when she posted screenshots from here. She didn't address all the factual evidence against her but rather cherry picked what would make her look like a victim, and also because she knows she'll look pretty stupid in front of her fans because she doesn't really have a counterargument or justification for the things she does wrong in terms of petcare.
Which is also probably why she deleted those tweets. A lot of people got directed to the site which backfired on her because now they have access to all the shit she's done.>>454620
This is all part of the pattern. He's making it look like it's an "us against them" mentality, and is trying really hard to make it seem like he's not the abusive piece of shit he clearly is by talking about how happy and blessed he is to have someone who can support all his shit habits.
Think of it as some middle schooler who wants to boast about all the supposedly good things happening in his life as a means to overcompensate for all his fuck ups.
You know I actually kind of support the idea of her "forcing" him to do this. He's fucking nasty inside and out, she can't fix what a shit stain of a human being he is, but at least she can make him less awful to look at.
So he's probably missing too many teeth to afford dental implants? It's anywhere from $1k-$4.5k per tooth. I have a friend who got half of his teeth knocked out in a bar fight and now he wears removable partial dentures -
kind of like a retainer with fake teeth on it. Incidentally his breath is constantly terrible.
Also the fact that she is going to spend that kind of money on her boyfriend who is an absolute piece of shit that she's only been dating for like three months is. Wow.
the OP of the post has their blog set to where you can only view it if you have a tumblr blog, so i reblogged it with a throwaway blog and then archived.https://archive.is/PZd2d
Those are really good points (and she didnt even mention the grey cat) and Taylor manage to just reduce everything into the leaf insect, like bitch they are accusing you of other bs and that's the only thing you have to say? >>454915
I think the last time it was showed, was in the last GIVING ALL MY ANIMALS THEIR DINNER
after that who knows what happen to them
She probably took apart the tank, for me is kind of shitty how she can rid of numerous fish but when Jennamarbles mess up everyone is on her ass using Taylor has example of a good owner, in one of her tanks she bought those fishes (i forgot their names) and one of them kill the rest of the males and she didnt see until they were all dead. I have tanks and the moment i see a fish being agressive i put it in another tank the fish who is being agressive (if i am not wrong the kind of fish she bought were well know to not get along with other males, but nobody cared at the moment)
fellow biologyfag. what do you mean plankton and diatoms aren't cute and charismatic? ;-(
Forreal tho, exactly. She expresses exactly zero actual interest in science and in her videos doesn't even take the time to learn to pronounce terminology right. I really can't see her doing lab OR field work.
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This isn’t really important and doesn’t add anything to the topic but what‘s the deal with her and her hands? Everytime she takes a picture with her animals she has to grab them with her hand or display her hand somewhere in the picture. Even with her fish and animals that shouldn’t be grabbed like that (her cats)
Because her YouTube channel isn't about her animals but her (to her at least), this is a great way for her to get compliments about oh so pretty nails despite the fact that they're collecting bacteria and possibly hurting her animals.
The way she is holding that gecko… ugh
It is literally not that hard to keep fake nails clean… I get why medical professionals can't wear them but I think critiquing her for her nails is a bit of a stretch and takes away from the focus of the real issue. By all means everyone is entitled to their opinion but there are a lot of ways to have fake nails and care for animals. I know because I wear them and clean animal enclosures every day. If you're unable to keep them clean then wear gloves for fuck's sake.
What the hell are y'all doing to make your nails nasty and gross? Yes moisture can get underneath and start a fungus, but there's a way to properly maintain fake nails to prevent this.
Sage for not contributing but I'm so tired of hearing people nitpicking her for her nails. She has nice nails and likes to show them off, get over it. Focus on what really matters like her manhandling and mistreating her animals.
Tbh most animal professions won't allow long nails due to the issues of bacteria but mainly the fact that they can injure animals during handling.
It's a nit pick but when youre handling a lot of animals without washing your hands… eh
Same anon as >>455101
I do see the point for injuring animals and you are very correct. It's my personal preference to have shorter rounded tips for this very reason. If she had to quickly grab an animal it would be very difficult not to poke or scratch it. I'm too clumsy to trust myself with sharp claws, but there is a learning curve.
Okay white knight. You recognize why a medical professional shouldn’t wear them, which is categorically because they are unsanitary. You have to be extremely careful when handling reptiles. Not only can they give you salmonella, but there are literally hundreds of parasites and fatal viruses you can spread from reptile to reptile just by handling them - and yes, even if she did wash and disinfect her hands between handling each animal, she won’t be able to truly get them clean. This is why fake/long nails are not allowed in medical settings, which you seem to understand, so I don’t know why you’re too dumb to translate that to this situation.
It’s already been discussed this is her job. Medical professionals don’t have fake nails. Professional/career musicians don’t have fake nails. I think careers are one of the main reasons why anyone would keep their nails a certain way, next to personal preference. Taylor provides a hazard to her animals every time she does her “job,” so no, we’re not just ~so jelly because they look nice.~ Shut the hell up.
Get the stick out of your ass. There's so many nooks and crannies around everyone's nails and cuticles for nasty shit to collect, regardless. By that standard we should just not touch animals without bleaching everything? If you properly apply and maintain fake nails (she appears to spend an insane amount of money on them so I don't see how she's not maintaining them) there is no space for moisture to collect. How is that any different than just having long natural nails, do tell? Show us some evidence.
There's a right way and a wrong way to do things so do your research before you have an aneurism. If she didn't maintain her nails then they would have rotted off by now because I don't think I've ever seen her without enhanced nails. The biggest hazard as mentioned above is the sharp points. >>455150
Also for the love of god stop putting TND in the same category as any type of professional. Her "job" is being a social media personality, not animal care, and she doesn't even do a good job of that. A job requires responsibility and dedication, neither of which she has. Stop putting her up on a pedestal.
Just because she lets her animals live in squalor doesn't mean she doesn't take care of her nails.
In a way what they said is understandable. Some owners choose to wear gloves when interacting with reptiles, even if it's just feeding. I reckon the fact that she doesn't quarantine her animals is also a big issue when it comes to this.
But yes, the fact that they could injure the animals is a far bigger issue.
Well said anon! I was trying to say that in >>455207
but you worded it much better.
Which is why it's not a surprise why a lot of her fans didn't even own or were planning to own any of the animals in any of her videos, and just watched her because she was "funny" and "entertaining".
Also why should anyone who doesn't hate every single breath TND takes and has a slightly different point of view have to be a white knight or a stan?
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I actually laughed out loud when I read this because it just straight out sounds like a big lie.
Also now I’m thinking all those tweets about her getting phone calls from animal control are even bigger lies. How would they have her phone number to call and check in that “everything’s fine carry on”. I doubt they got very many calls about tnd
Bitch they aren't even open.
About the nails thing, she always says taking care of her animals is her job, so take the measure to do so is aswell and that include try to keep safe their environment. So from my point of view is better to not have fake nails, is so weird to see how some of you are making a mini rant because people say they are unsanitary (which is true). Besides cats can be really messy, more if they do not get attached to the other animals and see them has prey, then she will probably have to grab them before they do something stupid and it will get hard because of those nails or she will hurt them at moment.
Yes, the kili fish! Isn't it a bad sign concerning her animal care that some of us are having a hard time remembering all of the animals that died in her care? I keep forgetting about those fish.
I haven't seen the betta sorority since she moved them into an even smaller tank so that she could house the turtles. I don't know much about the species, honestly, but I do believe the general consensus is that the males are known to be aggressive.
I wonder why she didn't just put them in a kiddie pool in the yard. Maybe she thought the dogs would bother them? >>455041
Emzotic's boyfriend got a lot of shit for the way he called her out, but I think I understand what he was trying to say. Taylor really does make a habit of showing off her body and posing with her animals in her videos. The result of that is people who like her and defend her because they think she's so pretty/sexy.
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I may be reading too much into it, but that doesn't look like her writing at ALL. She doesn't really use acronyms nor this style of writing. Usually it's very organized, but this is a mess.
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mandaxface is his ex he abused for years
Beta communities are really controversial in the fish community. Betas are some of the most aggressive fish even the females though they're less aggressive than the males. They tend a nipple biting attack each other the pull out eyes, rip fins, and damage scales. And generally hurt and kill the other Bettas is in the tank. Without that though it's still not good for the fish because it can cause them to get stressed which can make them more likely to get sick with things like it or even caused him to die prematurely. Even the most successful fish owners have issues running a beta tank long-term like that even they have lots of plants for places to hide and a huge tank. Taylor's take us specifically problematic
on top of the beta tank like that because she doesn't have anywhere for them to hide and no cover. Meeting her female betas are more likely to get aggressive and attack each other. Essentially it's bad for the fish and there's no point to it as well as it being something that you could come home one day even though they've been completely fine to find certain fish ripped apart. It's playing with fire essentially so the Fish owner can feel like there are some great accomplishment.
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Talking from my own experince:
A betta community is do-able in a big enough tank. I was able to do 3 males in a custom 275 gallon long tank. There were other fish in there, but I had no issues with the males. It also depends on their personality. Taylor however, has no experience in this topic and never should've done it in the first tank. Sororities are do-able as long as theres plenty of space. And a very limited amount of females. Nowhere, again she riding do her research.
i could never be with a guy that trash talks my own parents
does anyone have any pics of jonnys teeth i googled it but its hard to see he really looks like red neck trailer trash
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not supposed to tip the cow
also did anything interesting happen in amanda’s periscope? she’s just sitting there now
according to her mom, she does say something, but only to Jonny. She thinks she can basically be his mommy and tell him how to act until he’s a reformed individual.
anyone notice how her parents’ twitters have been quieter/less dramatic? maybe they’re feeling reassured after seeing her during christmas?
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>>455101>but I think critiquing her for her nails is a bit of a stretch and takes away from the focus of the real issue. >Focus on what really matters like her manhandling and mistreating her animals.
for the thousandth fucking time, this is not an expose site or a truth forum. There is no greater issue, no "what really matters" we can't hurt our legitimacy because we didn't have any in the first place. This is a site for entertaining milk.
PULLfags need to stop coming here and policing how we do things.
If you want to lead a crusade, go somewhere else. it's not what the site is for and everyone is sick of you clogging it up with your bullshit.
Also read the fucking rules and learn how to reply please? Seriously. Newfags so entitled about being here but wont even take two seconds to learn how to use the site.
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This seems so unlike Taylor's normal way of tweeting and typing on the internet. "is you blind" seems more like something Johnny would say. Lately it seems he's tweeting from her account possibly?
Agreed, I was just about to say this myself.
This has nothing to do with anything but after reading Jonny's tweets I have a VERY hard time believing he is capable of writing lyrics. His grammar and manner of speaking are atrocious
I don't think she knows….
She is choosing names like violet and opal.
See, opal would be fine because opals are very much multicolored. Violet though….
Why does she name animals like a person names plants? Just really over the top names
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I don't think she's a full on drugie like some people seem to be making her out to be.
She probably uses but not to the daily extent Jonny does
Yeah but they’re practically attached at the hip at this point. If Jonny is using daily I can’t super imagine her being like “nah I’m going to sit this one out,” especially with a drug like heroin or even cocaine, which she admitted to doing with him as well.
The way I see it, let’s just assume Jonny doesn’t have any money. Sugar mommy isn’t going to just fund his fucking drug habit, though. So he convinces her she enjoys it or wants to do it or it’s a “fun couples activity” and he gets his fix on her dime.
Sage for complete tin-foiling.
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saw this on tumblr and it’s pretty accurate
Oh no, I can see that happening & think her choice of partner is 100% intentional.
A lot of people think she's a good-hearted person who has gone astray but I believe her true nature's finally coming through. She's a covert manipulator.
If you wanted to go on a bender and do awful things but still come out of it smelling like a rose, Jonny Craig = ideal scapegoat. That's why she's ignoring all evidence & warnings from past victims. She WANTS this trashy, self-indulgent giveNOfucks lifestyle. Her mom even said she wants to get away from the family friendly image she had. She's smart enough to know doing a 180 switch all on her own would destroy her rep. With Jonny in the picture she has a built-in excuse once she decides the "bad-girl" phase is over. She gets to blame everything on the rapist druggy asshole who "tricked" her into doing bad things. I mean she's already adopting his "hahaha" mannerisms on Twitter. I wouldn't be surprised if it was her way of leaving a trail of evidence to prove later on that he "changed" her. I don't think she does much without planning it. Whenever she lies she's careful with her word choice. She keeps things vague so she has a lot of wiggle room to say "That's not what I meant!"
My only concession is seeing her mother's behavior on Twitter & knowing how emotionally draining her brother's disability is, it would be hard for anyone to grow up sane in that household.
If it were just her I'd have way more sympathy, but her shitty choices are directly impacting the quality of life of all her animals & she just keeps getting more of them.
tl;dr Jonny Craig's a great scapegoat for someone who wants to do bad things & feign innocence later.
Danny made a now deleted video in which he dressed like a girl and made fun of Taylor, Tyler Rugge, and Youtubers like them who only show off their pets and do things like put their pets on their bodies instead of making actually educational videos. People jumped all over Danny, saying that he was being misogynistic and slut shaming Taylor. Then they went after Em and how she takes care of her animals because she is dating Danny. People to to this day still say that they lost respect for her because they think that Danny is a gross, evil person for that video and they don't see how she can be in love with him. Personally, I get the point that he was trying to make. Taylor does show off her body as much as she can in her videos, including framing the camera so that you can see cleavage, and now all the instagram pictures she takes making sure you can see her nails and tattoos. His delivery was poor, but I can't say that he was completely wrong. Before I get called a misogynist, I'm all for flaunting it if you're sexy and you got it, but if the focus of your videos is supposed to be your animals, it IS a little interesting how out of the way Taylor goes to show her body.
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Hi, person who knew her from high school social media here. I wouldn’t say she was sheltered. I think she has always just been the “rebellious” type. Here’s an example of her always being in trouble with her parents. She seems to always want/find trouble.
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Also looks like Jonny Craig made her 16yo fantasy come true
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Yeah I missed it too
But I found two or three things about Emzotic, she seem to be at first supporting her bf's before the video was uploaded and when shit go down after it was on YouTube she made this post about how she doesn't dictated what her bf does and they are two separated people, and how she does support Taylor and Tyler
I still kind of like Emzotic but it was really low from her tweeting things like " I love people who tells the truth" before the video was up and after she start losing subscribers, suddenly she doesn't dictated what he does.
Maybe if her bf adressed in a better way the subject Taylor's fanbase would probably be significantly more affected.
Emzotic has a Q&A video with Taylor in the thumbnail but it was too boring to watch so idk what she said about Taylor.
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Slight irrelevance but this was a jack ass thing to say
Sage for off topic
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Here’s when she first wanted an axolotol and a lot of people were discouraging her from it bc of their experiences but she still wanted one. Didn’t end up actually getting one for years later but she calls herself an animal hoarder here
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I wonder whatever happened to this dog
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I wonder when she’s actually gonna get up and move to LA because she’s been saying she’s going to for almost 5 years now.
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She always takes her animals everywhere.
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He still looks so sick…
That poor baby needs actual nutrition before he dies.
He still looks so sick…
That poor baby needs actual nutrition before he dies.
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Can’t find a story on this besides the fact that a boyfriend supposedly faked his death? I’ll post the next screenshot which explains a bit more
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Whoops ACTUAL part 2
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old texts from jonny to amanda
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Now that lolcow is back, back to the Facebook screenshots
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Next part of that conversation
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She’s been using her animals as a way to get attention since she got Nala and gained friends at school BECAUSE of her animals.
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She’s pulled the same “free animal at petco” card before it seems like
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But apparently her free hedgehog at nights so she went and bought one, the same breeder that she’s gotten all her hedgehogs from if I’m not mistaken
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Some scene pictures as a conclusion but what i can infer from her Facebook was she is EXTREMELY lonely. She had no friends and turned to boys and animals to cope. She thrives off of attention completely. No attention and she loses it
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Some people can’t live without drama
Let's put aside her bs of "adopt don't buy"
She is a fucking criminal and her friend has well
Traspasing exotic animals and selling them is a fucking crime, specially since salamanders are in danger of extinction, like those eggs her retard friend kill, could have help to increase the amount of axolotls
Has a fellow "beaner" anyone who trade eggs of any animal deserved to die in jail, at least in Mexico we are trying our hardest to prevent that of happening. Those are the same ones who all most extinguished sea turtles.
I used to think her mom was kind of overbearing with all the stuff she was doing to try to get Taylor back to her senses, but after seeing these screenshots I honestly and fully side with her.
I suppose her parents did have to use online platforms as a last resort because they know that otherwise this girl wouldn't listen. And because they also know it's the only way she'll react.
I feel sorry for her mom to be quite honest.
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There’s also this picture from a few months down the line where you can see she has a laptop next to her new puppy. Its not like she “needed” a MacBook in the first place
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link to emzotic's bf's callout? i love those two and desperately wanna see it.>>455736
yeah the anons calling animal services are fucking idiots. taylors care is leagues better than the shit they deal with. the issue with her is that she fucking knows better and has the money but still has and promotes iffy husbandry.>>456696
what experiences? i thought axolotls did well in captivity given the right temps etc.
I've read every post on this and the older thread but I haven't said anything. Just silently agreed with most of what's here and been thoroughly entertained. But now there are dogs involved and I feel I must speak.
As someone who has researched dogs for fun since middle school and became a dog groomer and did that for three years despite having unknowingly developed a dog allergy, the fact that she flaunted a teacup chihuahua is despicable to me. Anyone who promotes the practice of breeding for "teacups" (which AREN'T EVEN A REAL THING GOD STOP) is a terrible person. These dogs suffer needlessly and the breeders jack their price up because dumb people just think "Oh it's so tiny! Take all my money, plz!" It's a gross practice, and IMO any breeder who breeds for small size, especially in toy breeds (which is honestly what all teacups are) is not a good, reputable breeder.
Breeders should be breeding for health and temperament as #1 priorities. If you're purposefully breeding for teacups, you're NOT breeding for health. Point blank.
That's not to say that reputable breeders don't get small/runt/teacup-sized puppies. Because that's gonna happen. But it shouldn't be your goal and there are too many breeders TRYING to get these problematic sizes. It's gross to promote, and that dog probably cost a good amount of money and suffered/is suffering a lot.
Also, I looked up the color pattern of that very first hedgehog she got. Didn't do much research, but colors in species fascinate me, so I looked up hedgehog colors. salt and pepper is apparently very rare. It was the only color/pattern that the website I looked at did not have a picture of. Rare colors usually = money. She loves to brag about having expensive things. That's all most of this is. And I thought it started with the designer snakes, but no.
Sage for no new milk. I think I did it right.
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That doesn't makes sense. Why would they settle possible future complaints by looking at past photos lmfao
She might as well say "Teehee I linked them my instagram and told them to check out the pics if they ever get a complaint" a picture isn't a proper way of assessing shit
I'm pretty sure they take pictures as proof that they haven't missed any neglect before if a bigger problem arises. Saving their own ass as employees basically.
Otherwise they can just say that they have been there and no problems were seen unless more concerning calls come in.
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Okay but did anyone actually read this transcript???
“This is a response to the voicemail YOU left”
“Technically with us you can do anything you want/need”
“But uh like you guys said”
“We can go ahead and do the inspection and get it over with”
To me it sounds like SHE called acs and asked for them to do an inspection to get everyone off her back and to get that “you’re doing fine nothing wrong here” pat on the back. I doubt they would really take the time to call someone or do an inspection for petty “calls.” It sounds like she’s been harassing animal services herself instead of anons calling like she’s so claimed.
Yeah there's definitely always the CYA aspect of having pictures on file. You're right. And honestly, the fact that they took pictures is possibly a sign that it's something worth them keeping their eyes on. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some people that they just don't bother opening a case file for, until they get multiple calls…and then there needs to be pictures.
Maybe I'm spitballing. Regardless, I'm sure they are taking pictures primarily for the CYA purpose.
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Are her pupils even there by this point?
I guess she means iron infusions? Low ferritin levels =\= anemia necessarily, and low ferritin is super common in celiacs.
So I guess that corroroborates the celiacs thing? Honestly though, if she didn’t insist “take me to a doctor there’s something wrong with me TOO,” (assuming her brother with Prader-Willi was pretty young around this time,) I feel like her parents might have been wondering “why is my daughter a lazy unmotivated histrionic compulsive lying impulsive rule-breaking low empathy little twat,” and started taking her to doctors to try to explain that. I mean PWS is really rare and most people don’t know about it, so for her parents to find out the horrible ramifications of that, I imagine that suddenly being immersed in medical scenery they might ask, “maybe something is wrong with Taylor too.” All these screenshots really show what an absolute terror she was.
Sage for active imagination and pure speculation.
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I think it's just light in her eyes
if you take a close look you can see the corners of her actual pupil
so don't think she's pinned.
Would explain why we saw a bunch of pictures and animals out of their cages and what looks like parts of hoover?
They probably tidied the place up so it didn't look like shit if they were to come with no announcement.
Lurkingfag so forgive me if I'm saging incorrectly.
I work in an animal welfare investigations unit and can confirm that this is a thing we do. We often attend addresses where we get repeated calls, take photos and keep them on file. We will re-attend occasionally if we get a new concern or more details but we often just record calls as 'for information only'. It takes a lot for us to deem an animal in distress, it's a legal thing - if things are kept clean, are going to the vet, etc then our hands are generally tied. We can issue corrections (ie: clean this cage, get new bedding, etc) but it's extremely difficult to legally deem an animal in distress and seize it. Which is probably why ACS has their hands tied and can't do a whole lot.
Sage (hopefully) for blogging and not contributing - was hoping to provide some insight.
I wouldn't be surprised if she made the whole thing up and had her phone record a fake message/conversation. It could explain the use of "you" - its harder to keep a conversation straight when you are pretending to be the person talking to you.
I don't think as many people are calling as she claims. The majority of her followers are on youtube and all the drama isn't really present there - or even on her IG (if there is it seems to get deleted). I think its more likely animal control is being called than her apartment but I think she is also just trying to stir up drama and make herself out to be the victim. After all, it is highly unlikely that the animals would be taken from her - even if they aren't getting the best care in the world. People who treat their animals much worse often get to keep them or are at least given the opportunity to remedy the situation before the animals are removed.
Sorry if this is a bit OT, but can't you generally do something if you find evidence someone is hoarding animals, like Taylor in this case.
You might not find crystal clear evidence of abuse, but I find it hard to believe someone can look at all her pets and think it's okay to let them live like that.
If they're being provided for, seeing a vet when needed, etc then there's not much we can do. We went to one house that had approx 50 birds and many other animals but everyone was well cared for and had appropriate set ups so there was nothing we could do (other than go back to the office and discuss who the fuck wants that many pets). It's a frustrating job because you also have to provide the owners with chances to fix the situation, if anything ja found to be wrong. ACS probably think her and her boyfriend are insane/ weird/ obnoxious but can't do much. They'll likely keep her on file and wait to see if anyone reports anything new/ more detailed and re-attend. They have to be careful not to harass her with many visits as then they can get in trouble.
Tldr: it's a lot of toeing the line bullshit but they'll at least have her and the calls on record in case more allegations come up
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new vid. can't watch right now so someone let us know if there's anything milky
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Did anyone else notice how tired she sounded in that video she just posted? And correct me if i’m wrong but her right eye also looked slightly bruised.
Could just be her eye makeup gone wrong but it looks kinda weird
That’s the bearded dragon enclosure. Jonny posted a picture of it on instagram the other day. Still not optimal whatsoever but better than it being for the crab.
Still i wonder why she didn’t show the crab
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can't tell if I'm just looking too much into this or whether her pupils actually do look small here
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You are looking into this too much. I'm including a screenshot from a video made a year ago and her pupils look the same. Her pupils dont even look abnormally small in her new vid
I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Ball pythons are commonly found in termite mounds, under dirt, under rocks, and under sticks, and are very terrestrial, hence they need belly heat which is why heat pads are a good choice. Any lights can dry out the air and cause low humidity issues. I use eco earth with all of mine, it holds humidity without molding and is a not a concern for compaction during feeding. Also, ball pythons being stressed out in large enclosures isn't really a thing, you can get a large enclosure and properly furnish it (lots of hiding spots, plants, sticks, just stuff to make the snake feel secure) and shouldn't have any problems. I do agree that her enclosures should at least be blacked out, and they are a little bare. And they definitely should not be in the same room as her old snakes
Sage for not really adding to the topic (I hope properly)
Are you kidding? Once they grow into cats, theres no way she's gonna keep them..
"MY CAT TRIED TO EAT MY SNAKE????(Why I got rid of my cats)"
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there are no good breeders even using the term teacup. as others have stated, breeding for small size is very bad.>>457309
wow. that's pretty extreme,hard to chalk up to just lighting…>>457346
her lips are really obviously just (bad) makeup.>>457599
u really think a kicking junkie would record a video? lol. although raspy voice can be caused my smoking/snorting/nodding out so hard you barely breathe for hours.>>457647
ugh. this and the one about the little dog she gave up after 2 days because it wasn't potty trained… are you fucking kidding me??? this bitch doesn't give a fuck about animals. she isn't even trying.
She's more concerned with making sure everyone knows how rare and exclusive the morph she got is than acclimating and quarantining them properly. All my wuts.
She's acts like she's so put out because people are concerned about her animals. I don't get why it's such a surprise. She has a history of abandoning pets once they stop making good thumbnails. Nevermind the fact that she lied outright about adopting that last kitten. She bought it off Craigslist. More than that, she wasn't even willing to wait an extra two weeks so it could be properly weened. Of course people are going to worry about those animals. It's crystal clear that the only thing Taylor cares about is Taylor.
(I'm sorry this reply is for a post from 15 hours ago)
PetSmart anon here:
She does have a fair point though when talking about PetCo like that. The ones here, in STL at least, are HORRIBLE. They literally do not know what they are talking about despite having a requirement for fish specialist of 2 years of freshwater experience and 2 years of salt water experience. But that is very fishy that she waited until the second YouTube check to quit. With that video though, she's sold her soul to YouTube and the internet. If the internet thing doesn't work out in the long run, she'll have an extremely hard time trying to get another job at PetCo, or PetSmart, or any other place for that matter.
Having worked at three different PetSmarts and two different PetCos, let me end all of this back and forth-ness by saying that each individual store is VERY different. There are good Petcos/Petsmarts with knowledgeable employees who take good care of the store animals and do a good job, etc, etc. There are bad petcos/petsmarts with less-than-helpful staff, sad-looking tanks, etc, etc.
It really depends on the individual store. If someone is familiar with the petco she is downtalking, maybe they can confirm/deny the people there. Then again, maybe the store has gotten better/worse since she left.
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new video up. ill let more educated people talk about the health of her animals but the major thing i noticed was… her right eye looks super dark compares to her right. not swollen which is good. but straght up it looks like its bruised and covered with makeup.
also i cant even with her lips. she has a lisp because of them and theyre so big they can barely move… reminds me of botoxed eyebrows
STL PetSmart anon again
No new milk, but you are completely right. At our store we are having issues keeping the substrate from drying out and dropping humidity because we HAVE to use heat lamps. The enclosures are too small to use heat pads. Our store At least, keeps our reptiles from being too overly crowded while they stay with us. We NEVER put new reptiles in with the ones on the floor. We have 5 tanks, 10-25 gallon long tanks set up for new animals. We only ever use eco earth for our snakes, crested geckos, anoles, and chameleons. The leopard geckos and bearded dragons all get carpeting to prevent impaction.
Sage for general info and back up a person.
I think I did that right?
I actually think it's a good idea for now. Keeps them away from the new snakes, they're incredibly small and I don't think any of her snakes are big enough, or eating 3 large rats every week, but if the odd chance one is, then I'd be a bit worried of them getting out. Also, keeping them in there keeps them away from new people, who may have a disease on them, or any other danger. They're 5.5 weeks old, they don't need a lot of space. Also if she air conditions the entire apartment, she can close the vents in there, and if she has heat lamps and heat pads on, it'll help keep the entire room warm for them. My boyfriend had to do that when he rescued a cat while he still had one. His new cat had worms (why the shelter didn't catch that, idk) so she had to be isolated and they wanted to quarenteen her for a bit. The vet actually recommended keeping her in the bathroom.
Do I think this is the reason Taylor is doing it? No. I don't even think they're in the bathroom considering her posts and such. She do3snt seem too worried about that stuff
Sorry! I reread what I posted and I forgot to add that part it. I completely agree. Each store is different. Our PetCo's here have the caves for their reptiles up against the glass and their chameleons have hardly any vegetation for them to hide in. I asked someone about is and they said corporate has to approve of any new additions to the enclosure. However in general, from what I've seen working at 2 separate PetSmarts, there's always a few bad seeds who don't care about the animals. We have a sexist regional manager who has been known to hire people from outside of PetSmart as the store manager. But yet we still do a lot for them. It just turns into us teaching the new store manager about things like that.
I said has sexist because PetSmart tends to be a female majority store. We have very qualified females working there for years who have NEVER moved up to that position yet.
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Agreed. I’m a little triggered
because she didn’t quarantine. Not a salt water fish expert, but can’t adding new fish crash your reef/colony if you’re not careful? I’ve always heard reef tanks are like keeping discus(sp?) in the fresh water hobby.
But then again Joey Mullen (King of DIY) added three new Asian Arowanas to his 2000gal without quarantine. So am I missing something?
Is the pressure of turning over/presenting new animals to their audiences getting to animal YouTubers and their husbandry quality?
(Sage for curiosity and being new to the saltwater hobby. Maybe a little off topic. Idk.)
afaik Joey didn't quarantine because he's tight with the people at the store and he visits it all the time. He said all three arowana had been there for months and effective gone through quarantine while there. He also said arowana don't commonly have probs with parasites because of their scales.
Pretty sure Taylor did it because unloading the new fish into a quarantine tank would have been too "boring" and she didn't want to wait. Seems like a theme with her.
Follow up from before.
Wanted to clarify that I’m not hating on Joey. Typically love what he does as a hobbyist and I understand his logic behind adding those fish to his tank. He was the closest example to compare with that I had off the top of my head.(don’t follow a ton of aquarium hobbyists beyond him, Jenny, and Corey.)
I guess as someone who has kept animals all my life albeit mostly mammals. I’ve been taught to quarantine no matter what because even if the animals you bring in are okay you never know what your enclosures might already carry whether you know it or not. While your current pets might not have it, new animals might not be as resistant to it and can cause healthy animals to contract illness.
I think Jenny does a great job of this by not cross contaminating between her new fish room tanks and her indoor tanks which she believes might also harbor the same virus/bacteria/parasite that killed all her goldfish +her discus (possibly).
Not holding anyone to a specific standard by any means. This is something TND clearly doesn’t prescribe to or bother with when it comes to adding/collecting new pets.
Hedgehog fag here.
I think the boy hedgehog(kovu?) was the one in the room with the snakes. Generally you don't really want to keep boy hedgehogs and girl hedgehogs in the same area because their scents can trigger
each other to go into heat and cause all sorts of medical problems. One of her hedgehogs before died because she didn't keep her boy hedgehog far away enough from her girl hedgehog and she went into heat and got a uterus infection and died or something. (At least she learned her lesson from killing the first one)
joey did that because he has a relationship with the store they were from and they had essentially been quarantined while they were there, at the store. they were all in individual tanks.
and yeah, not quarantining anything new to a reef is pretty damn risky. however, considering the source, they're pretty low risk.
also, drip acclimating vs just floating is controversial. if the fish have been in the bag for a while, drip acclimating can be iffy because the built up ammonia becomes more toxic when the bag water is exposed to air, so it can be best to get the fish into nontoxic water ASAP without exposing the bagwater to air.
but in salt sometimes it is necessary. but also, clown fish aren't considered particularly fragile. did taylor consider all this? eh, probably not.>>457786
how is it derailing to talk about the husbandry of a pet vlogger? i'm willing to bet most of the people following this are animal people.
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Lmao is she trying to make this into a sexist thing while supporting a rapist?
Plus, that snake guy who is buddy buddy with her is hated by the whole community, fuck off Taylor.
There are ways to do drip acclimation w/out exposing the water to the air, Joey/King of DIY has a video on how to do it, as a matter of fact lol
Either way, she is taking some pretty big risks with these clowns, especially with a new morph, meaning thy could be a lot more delicate than anyone really knows yet.
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I believe the "snake guy" mentioned is Brian Barczyk. He has notoriously poor care an has sent out numerous animals infested with mites or sick with respiratory infections. Anyone who has been keeping reptiles for more than a few years considers him a shitstain on the community.
Taylor preaching animal care and then collabing with him is shitty for obvious reasons. She very likely only collabed with him and Jay from Prehistoric Pets (who is just as bad) because they have large reptile audiences she could tap into. They are all just disgusting people. Tyler Rugge's care for his reptiles is pretty shit too.
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To be fair, his avian care is pretty standard, other than impulse buying an African Grey… that was pretty bad. At least he seems to take care of it now.
I know he had some controversy over some of his fish habitats/supposedly rushing things, but I can't be bothered to watch his videos bc I really don't want to.
(I don't know a whole lot about reptile care, I'm more of a fish & bird person, so I can't comment on his herps.)
I watched one video where he said Sun Conures were quiet, and I was like “oh he’s an idiot”
Also I just generally hate his face/voice
And really, naming a Sun Conure Mango? How original
Someone else mentioned that it's not a huge problem right now while the kittens are small, though if one was to fall ill the crucial first hours she may not notice. In my opinion, it's going to get worse when they grow up because cats require several stations to feed/water and sleep. That's gonna take a ton of space - my new cat has taken up all of my fairly large room with toys and places to sleep alone.
There is no way she can keep the apartment or one of the cats. Even having just one cat will be a struggle in such a small space. Also, if she can't train a small puppy who will be litter training the cats/cleaning up when accidents arise due to their litter boxes being too dirty/in the wrong place for their liking?
I think all the snakes will be fine however her tanks, the reptiles, the mice and the hedgehogs will have a hard time if they (the cats) don't learn they aren't food or living toys.
And everybody know how much they love to hunt
Having even two cats in the size of her apartment would be more than fine IF she didn’t have all the other animals. I live in a large city and worked with several local cat rescues, and her place would be suitable for them — if she didn’t have all the other animals.
As she does, I don’t know how she’ll keep the cats in the rooms with the enclosures when she’s gone without expecting some mischief in an apartment. As someone above said, keeping kittens in one room is actually recommended (bathrooms are usually suggested) at such a young age, but once they grow bigger they’ll need the full run of the apartment. It’ll be ridiculously tricky with how many animals she has.
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when it goes over 1k posts. an automatic notification lets you know when the thread's reaching post limit. also remember to sage (put in email field) when you're not contributing anything new
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I imagine knowing the person has a history of abuse would be a trigger
I'm sure that includes the tiny dog she decided to rehome because potty training interfered with her social schedule.
It's pathetic how she immediately deflects criticism by talking about health or emotional problems. She always has an excuse ready to explain away her terrible actions.
I also call bullshit on the PTSD from an abusive relationship because she sought out Jonny fucking Craig. He is the last person someone trying to recover from an abusive relationship would choose to be with. He dehumanizes others on the reg & throws out rape threats like they're nothing.
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yeah they were. jonny was super adamant about it on twitter but its like he didnt even talk to taylor about it, people were tweeting her and she was like "what??? no im not leaving my cats."
i find it telling that he was just making plans and not telling her when they could really negatively affect her animals.
Omg anon you’re right. And he was adamant about it too. And lil miss Tay of course made people seem crazy for asking her about it when JC was tweeting all about it. Like girl, you see your bf’s tweets just like the rest of us, don’t play fucking dumb.
I really wish someone would call them out about that on twitter
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"Hmm… Now which of my animals will match my outfit and make a good social media post?"
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kek no fake nails for once
Its definitely Taylors hand - Jonnys hands have tattoos on them (and are a lot bigger). Her nails were off in the cat picture recently >>456014
I don't really think they are removed because she has read the criticism here (although I think she does see it) but you could see them growing out more in recent pictures so my guess is they need to be redone - she may be waiting a little bit longer to get a few non-fake nail pictures to appease the critics)