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21 year old "family friendly pet mom" Youtuber, her 32 year old junkie boyfriend Jonny Craig, and her creepy controlling mother.
Previous thread: >>>/pt/597713
The basics:> Taylor is a notorious animal hoarder known for collecting 40+ rare and exotic pets and manhandling/mistreating them for the sake of her Youtube channel which has over 1 million subscribers. Several pets have died in her care, many more have fallen ill due to her neglect or disappeared after "rehoming" them. Fails to give proper enclosures for many of her pets, including overstuffing fish tanks, keeping her kittens locked in the bathroom, and her mouse and hedgehog in the closet.> Jonny Craig is the frontman of the band Slaves and is most well-known for being an outspoken abusive junkie. He has been in and out of rehab centers for a decade now and has been kicked out of multiple bands and off of tours for his behavior. He is usually homeless when he does not have a girlfriend to leech off of.> Several of Jonny's ex-girlfriends have come out with stories of Jonny's physical and sexual abuse, including rape at knife-point. His ex Chelsea confided this in Taylor when she and Jonny first started dating, in which Taylor's response was to laugh with Jonny and make a public spectacle of it.> Taylor loves to throw pity parties for herself and dodge around the real issues when faced with criticism about her husbandry, hoarding, and hypocrisy. She can never keep her stories straight and will tell outright lies only to contradict them hours later. Her fans are sycophants who only encourage her.
Facebook (private:) https://www.facebook.com/Taylor.Nicole.Dean
List of all Taylor's pets:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QNUksDcQk_cqLTkTFTiPjP2pCGBQgORyCesIIqvZ2Zs/edit?pli=1
> Still never made an apology video for slandering South Texas Dragons> Admits to live feeding, and knocking rodents out with blunt force instead of a CO2 chamber (as recently as mid Nov, also leaving a live feeder alone with her snake for 20 mins, only checking on it once)> Mushu has been shown without much gill feathering left recently shown much more clearly with facial scarring, even less feathering and stressed posturing> Attempted to purchase two new crocodile skinks on the down low before a smaller pettuber ratted on the cover-up of the deaths> Claiming that she's one of the few pettubers that is actually up front with the accident and the issues they have, despite trying to continuous hide the deaths of her mantis shrimp, lionfish, skinks, pacman frog etc for weeks-months after they happened> More enclosures being shown with completely empty water dishes> Cheese died suddenly, convenietly when she released new merch featuring him, has been pushing her merch harder than usual> She has alluded to a ‘friend’ that has a cowfish twice the size of cheese that she may replace Cheese with (if she hasn’t already)> Gave Cheese a “viking funeral” then sent him for autopsy> Animals purchased in the last ~ month: Texas Rat Snake, Halloween Crab, 3 Rats, 2 Crocodile Skinks, Sinaloan Milksnake, Scorpion, Ghost Mantis> Recent Known Deaths: Orchid Mantis, Mantis Shrimp, Pacman Frog, Crocodile Skinks, Zazu, Cheese
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Thank you anon!
Idk anything about Jonny's family, but seems the two of them didn't do Thanksgiving with Mama Dean
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How sad is your life that the only thing you're thankful for in the world is a rapist junkie who has a restraining order against him and a child he doesn't see or mention?
Christ this girl needs to get her priorities straight
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he did but it doesn’t even make sense, they don’t use words most of the time? what?
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People with prader-willis syndrome are unable to feel satiated from eating and constantly feel the sensation of hunger. They will eat until they are sick and carry on eating ad infinitum. You cannot have the amount of food required for thanksgiving in the house safely.
People rag on Jen but she's looking after a kid who has a syndrome that essentially makes him act like a drug addict times one thousand. Imagine living with someone who is unable to satisfy one of the most basic and pressing human needs and also having to control this person. She is genuinely one of the most sane carers I've ever seen. Having a kid with a disability as severe as Tanners absolutely ruins your life.
Plus, he's essentially going to eventually be a big adult sized toddler in some ways. Locks on all food are a must, or else he will eat himself literally to death. I'm pretty sure Jen herself said sometimes she worries about him eventually getting big/strong enough to pull the locks off of their fridge and stuff. Jen definitely has her issues, but I do feel for her in this situation. I couldn't imagine having to constantly need to stress about my son and watching what he's eating 24/7. And she needs to do this for the rest of his life.
On the note of thanksgiving, I'm pretty sure they don't celebrate it because it's pretty much a food based celebration and that's just too much for Tanner, and I'm sure they try to not…glorify big feasts? And mainstream thanksgiving does exactly that.
Sage has been removed from pt so don't worry.
You can send me a message on Youtube (I'm the TND is a hoarder video person) and I will send you everything I have. I posted imgur links in the last thread (just ctrl f search for imgur), but I compiled more stuff since then about her snake care mostly.
There's no saging on the big boy threads, everything is milk now.
Kinda serious note I was the one working on the huge info dumb of informationhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1IjJYdkBluMwczxqkvd_p1189FSY4MHZeLlfPoEY_GpM/edit
it's still a huge work in process (had to take a break cause wow the anger) but there are a few older topics on there not a lot of people have covered in much detail.
If any other anon has links to stuff not on here yet please hit me up and I'll add it.
I'll do my best, I'd like to write up timeline stories for things like star and the rape stuff if I can figure out that timeline.
I feel like a lot of stans are going to try and pull 'she loves all her pets' again if their sudden deaths are pointed out.
What I recommend is including (if possible) comments from experts regarding lifespans for both captive breed and wild caught. It'll be extra effort but if they can't link it back to here they have no argument.
In terms of favoritism that's a bit easier, just look for a bunch of animals people don't know or remember i.e. the Target mandarin she posted once to Instagram.
Another example is her snowflake eel and bluedot jawfish incident, her longfin clownfish, the blue angelfish that bit cheese, the killifish and I'd say even Larry. He might have died around the same time as zazu but she didn't have him nearly as long so that was no excuse to hide it for as long as she did.
This is a really good idea. If her stans are shown by comparison how things should be done compared to the way Taylor does things, they won't have many good excuses to get her out of that. They couldn't be like "But Taylor looks after her pets amazing!!" because there will be literal side by side evidence that she doesn't.
Clint's Reptiles is brilliant for many different species of reptiles. He has actual degrees and knows what he's talking about. He has a lot of knowledge and knows how to share it, the complete opposite of Taylor.
Alex at GoHerping is good. He's even admitted and fixed some of his mistakes made when he was younger (his ball python care video is a good example). Also has a good video of how to tame down a huge snake (boa) through proper handling.
Leopard Gecko is great for leo's and cresties. She's friendly and informative and is great with her lizards when handling them, so there will be lots of great videos of proper handling techniques from her.
That's all i can think of off the top of my head, but maybe some other people will add some.
This thread also compiles all the evidence of her subpar animal care and all the animals that have died in her care. You wanna bring up something that was discussed for like four comments and ignore the real issues we talk about?
‘Buy a life’
Jonny, you hate your life and yourself, and we all know it. You abuse women because it's the only time you feel like a big man. But, really, you're just a scared little boy who lashes out when he's afraid or doesn't get what he wants.
You're so emotionally stunted that the only time you can halfway-communicate is through music. That's the only acceptable way a "macho" dude like yourself can do that without being called weak. Otherwise, you're numbing your problems with drugs. Millions have tried and failed with that before. It's not going to work. It's just going to kill you and/or others.
Probably one or both of your parents were shit to you, or you saw them be shit to each other. That sucks, but it doesn't give you license to grow up and be shit yourself. Your woes are no bigger than many other people's, so you don't get to be an asshole simply because you've never sorted out your own feelings.
You're slowly killing yourself and leaving a trail of hurt women (oh, and a child) in your wake. That's what's really weak. You could do something about it. You could. Probably need to hire a fucking therapist, though, and not one of these online ones who can't see your body language and will tell you what you want to hear.
Everyone here can see right through you, Jonny. Probably makes you uncomfortable. Try not to abuse anyone or drug yourself into a stupor over it.
I agree with >>603221
there should be a video that shows comparisons between shitty care from Taylor and a person who actually knows wth they're doing when it comes to animal care so her stans can't just say, "OH SHE CARES FOR HER ANIMALS THE RIGHT WAY! YOURE JUST A HATER!!!"
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look how DIGUSTING their bathtub is…. and jonny’s face still scabbed. so sober
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Amazing, how long ago did that happen, I mustve missed it at least a thread ago>>603401
I bet they dont even smoke outside, staining the wall killing the security payment on the apartment.
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Aw you beat me to it, although someone on twitter doesn’t seem to happy.
One thing i did notice in your video is about the UTH and RHP thing. Under tank heaters (heat mats) are regularly used within snake keeping and as long as they're being used with a good reliable thermostat and set up correctly so the snake isn't lying directly on the mat then they usually won't cause issues. In Taylors case, the issue is that she uses shit equipment to monitor the temps or her heat mats rather than the actual heat mats themselves, unless the heat mats are shit quality too but i don't know what brand she's using.
And radiant heat panels generally aren't used as much as heat mats in snake keeping. They're a really good option for larger tanks or if ambient temps need raising but aren't really used as the snakes hotspot since they have to be attached to the sides/ceiling (preferably cieling so the snakes can't hang off them and burn themselves) of the tank.
So i was getting the impression that you were putting across that her care was bad because she was using UTH's instead or RHP's but it's her thermostats and setup that would be the issue.
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from the comments on her most recent Instagram post
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When so many animals die so fast that even the stans cant keep up lmao
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here they come, hopefully video anon is spared for the most part.
Oh, interesting. I will add a comment explaining that and pin it. Thank you for explaining.>>603482
I don't mind lol, the more people that watch it the better. If it's just tweens rambling in run on sentences then it's hard to take them serious. And people that can actually write well written responses are nice because it's (sometimes) possible to have a conversation with them.
She's flexed some of his 'purchases' before. A bunch of stuff from disneyland, the budwing mantis and Violet was apparently stuff he had bought for her.
Though I don't know the chances of them being her money.
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Going back over the /snow/ threads for the google doc and I found a screenshot of a comment made by Jonny.
$53,000 on a new set of teeth but she can't afford a bigger place? she better hope Jonny pulled this number from his ass because that doesn't look good on her if it's true.
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Sometimes I think Taylor's fans are boring kids who just can't spell and then someone like this comes along.
Neptune is a special kind of stupid that whole comment thread drained what ever will to live I had left.
This one only just commented though so we wont know unless they come back for more.
As I said earlier, I don't mind at all. It's mostly just funny, it's not like they actually know anything about me that would make them able to insult me with stuff that hurts. Telling me I'm british is flattering if anything.
And more comments = more engagement = the video is more likely to get recommended to more people.
Thank you for the concern and positive comments though, anons. I really appreciate it.
This is weirdly helping my confidence issues?? I'm not video anon and I no idea if people can suss out who I am but I kinda realised a lot of these kids now have access to my public accounts so if I go down I might as well attempt a decent call out.
I'm kinda excited to be involved in this to be honest?
Feels like a coup d'etat, huh?
I think it's funny how Taylor MUST know about the video but she hasn't said anything at all. Not even a snarky comment or something about muh depression.
Hell yeah it does.
Knowing her patterns she's going to avoid it for as long as she can manage. Even though she'd want to deny everything, if she tweets about it directly more people will see it and those of her fans with a brain will see that she is not as great as they think she is.
There have been times where I have wanted to take my private twitter off private to make a post about her, but I get conflicted cause my account is private for a completely unrelated reason.
I don't actually have any video editing software or the social skills to provide decent commentary, however I am the one working on the huge evidence doc and if it's one thing people have told me I'm good at it's digging and doing research.
I can make a duplicate of the doc so that it's more neutral and post a link somewhere but my only current public account is my art account and I'd like to keep this off of that.
Not the same person but one thing you could do is search up a product of interest and use either google shopping or any other price comparing websites to shop around.
Another thing is to ask to see if people do price matching, if it means business you might get the same product for a discount.
Also don't worry about double posting, the site shits out sometimes and you get double/triple posts.
I imagine after knowing of the video she is putting it off or making sure theres nothing we can use against in it.
Also sorry if i dont post properly. Long time lurker.
See, I don't want her to fail. I want her to snap out of her fucking stupor, get her head above the water, kick the trash to curb and start taking care of her animals and her finances at last.
We all do stupid shit when we're young, but it just frustrates me to see her piss away so much potential and opportunity.
She's playing with pretend virtual animals while her real ones are sick, not given enough attention, and living in crowded, unsanitary conditions.
Oh, the irony.
Hoarding animals in incredibly small containers
at that, and only taking them out when you feel like it.
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lol guys I did it!
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This woman needs to see a psychiatrist! She’s so dead upstairs….wonder what her IQ is. Pretty damn close to Tanner I’m thinking after scrolling thru her tweets
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You can tell she's told Taylor her entire life that if anyone disagrees with a single thing she does that they're just jealous of her. What a toxic attitude.
It's pretty rich coming from a woman who whores out her disabled son for views on youtube and attention on twitter.
You hoping Tanner will bring in the $$$ because he's too stupid to run off with a heroin junkie?
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I love how she's just boosting video anon's engagement lmaooooo
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Defending rapists now, how nice of Jen
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oh lmaoooooo she thinks I'm someone from Taylors friend circle or something?
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pls pls pls let her say who she thinks I am
imagine the new milk we'll get once she starts to cause fights with that one person who she thinks is you? My glass is ready for this.
The way she comments sounds like Taylor cried to her and Mama Dean is out here trying to defend her daughter on the internet. She just ends up looking like an old lady with a mind of a 13 year old. it's embarrassing Jen!
Is she trying to imply that your accent is fake, or is she doing that stupid thing Americans do where they use quotation marks for emphasis? Either way what a stupid thinly veiled threat.
Jen, we all know you lurk so unless you secretly hate Taylor this is the worst thing you could be doing to help her. Most people here are former fans of hers and you behaving like this is not going to win them back. You are pouring gasoline on the flames. Your behaviour is an embarrassment. >>603671
Love when people throw around legal words they don't properly understand. It's not slander to say you're concerned something may be happening based on the information you do have.>>603674>tea
We drink milk here please integrate.
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Trying to watch some of her videos rn. Honestly they're awful. She mouth-breathes constantly so her jaw is always slack and open and she's kind of terrifying to watch lol.
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Also for someone who supposedly needs to limit food in their house due to their son's condition. She's a fat fuck. No wonder Tanner is already starting to struggle with his weight.
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Yes, it is I, Jen. Kek
yeah it's odd. I mean why target her appearance, she's a crazed mother of two difficult children on a constant twitter rampage. No one is expecting her to be pretty>>603688
because she is
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This… this can't be real, right?
…Lol no wonder Jen wasn't on that reply so quickly. Was probably making a fake account as her fucking husband. We have seen before how uncomfortable he seems to be with the whole involvement in drama thing.
That being said, is she really just gonna re-expose Emzotic lol? What's the point in that? I genuinely feel sorta bad for Em if that happens because she has clearly tried to move on.
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Hey her appearance wouldn't be relevant if I hadn't just discovered her shit show of a channel pimping out her son.
Her being fat is also relevant because Tanner will literally die from overeating which she clearly does lol.>>603692
Maybe to an american? idk she's pretty ugly. The mouthbreathing though is the worst. This thread is for Taylor and her deranged mom. It's all relevant.
>>603691>Anyone who understands how trolls work
Unlike you eh Matt? Trolls do not have personal vendettas or agendas, they will happily lie and spread false information for laughs. Either we're trolls and lying, or we're jealous haters with a personal vendetta. The two are mutually exclusive. You cannot have it both ways. Trolls don't have hurt feelings, they think hurting the feelings of others is funny and their personal beliefs or convictions aren't relevant to that cause.
I hate this >If you're telling the truth then don't be anonymous!!! What are you scared of!?
Look what happened to South Texas Dragons, Taylor's fans swarmed their page and left actually fraudulent, harmful and slanderous reviews based on Taylor's lies, that Taylor later admitted were false but failed to rectify her mistake in any meaningful sense. You can't have this double standard. Hold her accountable and make her apologise for the damage she caused that business and then maybe other people would feel comfortable coming forwards. Until then why would anyone risk coming forwards against someone with an army of idiot twelve year olds willing to ruin their business over a tweet?
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She just can't stay away.
Honestly I listened to Jessica's voice just know and they sort of sound similar? Not the same but I can see where she's coming from lmao>>603710
Was gonna say she has gone very quiet.
The pronunciation is sort of similar is what I'm getting at here
Not saying the person is Jessica by any means, they sound like English is their second language to me but I may be wrong
>>603708>I know a few Americans who can't distinguish the differences in people's voices from other English-speaking countries.
Most Americans I've met are like this, knew people with very obvious French accents who Americans would insist they didn't speak with one. I think maybe they think it's insulting or implies the person doesn't speak English "properly"
Video-anon sounds Dutch or German to me, leaning towards German, absolutely European and definitely ESL. No offence meant by that anonchan you speak excellent English.>>603711
They sound nothing alike. Jessica has a very distinct American accent. Are you hearing impaired?
You can look at the first frame of the video and see where I'm from.
I think what Jen is implying is that I'm changing my accent into something else to not get caught, hence the "" when she says accent.
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She has herself listed as a public figure on Instagram and says her full-time job is YouTube. I'm pretty sure since she puts herself in the public eye like that, slander laws so change. You don't see Miley Cyrus suing everyone who criticizes her now do you?
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That first comment makes her sound like she's a junkie too tbh
Honestly I do think it would have an impact if you did a vid for everyone of her animals. eg.
Taylor Nicole Dean's Dead Kitten
Taylor Nicole Dean's Dead Mantis Shrimp
Taylor Nicole Dean's Dead Crocodile Skinks
Taylor Nicole Dean's Dead Beta's
There's so many…. then going into the failings in her care that caused her to kill them all.
Honestly it sounds like her every Twitter rant ever now
She seriously needs to look into some counselling or something to just help her cope
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Seriously. This feels kind of concerning.
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She actually sounds like she has a paranoid personality disorder.
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Last one, apologies for the screencap spam nonnys that don't care about crazy Jen
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My god, I had somehow missed she got a ghost mantis now. Already covering her ass for when she prematurely kills this one too, classy.
They can live up to a year if kept properly. A mismolt can always happen, but good temp, enclosure and humidity can lower the risk immensely. She already has a video up where it's eating a cricket - this type of mantis prefers flying insects. Feeding crickets to mantids is also an iffy subject because it holds a bit more risk than other, "cleaner" feeder insects. If you keep them in clean enclosures and with fresh food, they should be fine. Do I see her capable of that? No.
Sorry for this mini essay on ghost mantids, but I'm triggered
beyond belief. Can she just stop. getting. more. animals. please. God.
I agree with you, she is her mom and will defend her.
But she is more unhinged than she is a mom. She's in blind rage mode at this point. She is accusing everyone in a comment thread of saying she's neglecting Tanner, when one person joked about it. She is writing an essay about how horrible everyone is for commenting and slandering her children.
People were trying to point out what they were criticizing Taylor for, but she skips over it.
At this point it is willful ignorance and 100% enabling her. If she had dropped it then I think we could just write it off as being mama bear.
I can't keep track of what she's saying. She talks about how it's slander, how she read what they said but they don't respect them because they disagree, but everyone needs to remember that Taylor and Tanner are real people.
But also, fuck everyone else they're pathetic jealous haters who are horrible and want her to fail.>>603806
They watch Taylor so they must be experts. No seriously though I feel like it's when kids get into arguments and they go "well, yeah, I'm actually a lawyer and graduated from Harvard so I can sue you and out you in jail."
So apparently Taylor was supposed to move to la but instead stayed in Texas https://youtu.be/4mrJndKy1tA
Go to 1:06
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“I won’t give this video another view!!”
>clicks on video to write comment
what a fuckin dumbass lmao
>>603737>“I don’t think she has ever blamed a breeder or vet for anything”
what???? She has literally done this SO many times?? Twisty’s tail, hedgehog breeders, twisty’s breeder, the store for Kronos
The way jen types is just so jarring to read, you really can tell just how low her intelligence is, and Taylor’s by proxy.
I feel like getting her own thread or video would send her completely off the rails.
While it would be interesting to see her response, giving what she's saying on anons video she honestly does seem like the kind of video to hunt down and insult/harass as many people as she can.
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Not going to blur out my name cause you all know who I am but, I'm lost for words. I have no words on how I'm meant to react to this…
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The fact that she's correcting grammar and not using it herself is so satisfying.
There's a very high chance she's reading this thread right now so if she is, I don't know, I honestly don't know.
Outside of the animal care I wouldn't want anything to do with Taylor if this is the kind of stuff her mother is saying to people probably not even half her age.
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Here we go with Twitter promoting Taylor's nonsense again. Isn't UV light bad for scorpions btw? I've heard it shortens their lifespan w/ extended exposure but I may be wrong.
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>>603639>moo cow chat
I love this woman.
There's actually not a lot on the subject, scientists are still trying to figure out why Scorpions actually glow under a black light.
However they do avoid UV light, they do adjust their activity levels so that when they're active there's not a lot of UV.
Back when Taylor first moved in with JC and her parents seemed sane but worried they said she wouldn't talk to them in person or privately and social media was the only way they could talk to her. Now I wonder if that was so abnormal for them… they say everything is "normal" now between them and Taylor/Jonny, but then go and do internet drama like this. >>603769
I don't want to accuse Taylor of not caring about her brother, but we haven't seen her money go to anything but things for her (including her animal hoard) and things for Jonny. Idk why they can't work something out with the money they spend on Disney or through insurance or something, though.>>603778
I'm pretty sure the "Canadian girl" is what she's calling video anon after her weird comments about her accent? Idk, I can't follow Jen's thoughts lol.
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People really be thinking you’re Emzotic anon
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Could someone tell me what this nutjob is talking about? I kind of take pride in my good English skills lol And being told by Jen that my English is bad is pretty funny
She's just a rude cunt who can't understand in her pea-sized brain that English isn't everyone's first language. She's literally convinced herself you're either an American pretending to be bad at English to "throw her off" or you're putting on an accent with bad English pretending to be someone else.
She ticks all the boxes for "dumb American". Your English is fine, video anon. Jen probably thinks because you have an accent that your English is bad, it just makes her look immature and racist.
Sadly some people hear an accent and assume the e glish is broken. Maybe she's confused by you calling the animals "he" or "she" instead of "it."
I'll have to watch the video again but I never heard anything like she's saying.
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That’s great Tay but I’d love for you to address the loss of feathering on his gills and the white splotches on his face.
Also I’m laughing at her saying a rumor is going around. I don’t think anyone has really brought that up outside of lolcow.
It's not just you, Jen has been presented various things that would stop her in her tracks but then suddenly either changes topic or never responds.
She doesn't have a game plan, she's just hoping everyone will give up and go home or she'll have her delusion of anon being a 'old jealous friend' or 'jealous pet tuber' be proven.>>603886
I was actually waiting for someone to accuse them of being Em. The problem is Em has a more establish studio and microphones so the videos right off the bat would've had pop filters.
I doubt this is when her washer is turned on when she took this, plus the probe looks like it's near the top of the tank, not the bottom where it would be heated the most.
Also in the next story she says she knows axlotls should have substrate but it was getting dirty and she ran out of new stuff… it's really concerning how often she runs out of substrate and food.
I doubt this is when her washer is turned on when she took this, plus the probe looks like it's near the top of the tank, not the bottom where it would be heated the most.
Also in the next story she says she knows axlotls should have substrate but it was getting dirty and she ran out of new stuff… it's really concerning how often she runs out of substrate and food.
You just pointed this out and I'm sat here actually dumbfounded.
Did she take our criticism on her using the water temperature things way too literally and swapped all her tanks to reptile probes?
Both wrong, a probe thermometer has an attachment that measures the temperature away from the unit that displays it. You can get ones that work underwater, if she has the probe at the bottom of the tank this is reading the temperature there.
It literally says "aquarium" on it guys. Can we please stop nitpicking based on assumptions about things you have no personal knowledge on?>>603928
Water has a different specific heat capacity and conducts heat differently. It's because it's not in water.
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Jen deleted all her videos
Maybe she realised pimping out her children is bad?
Yeah she'll be back, she's just going through her videos for anything unfavourable.
Wonder if Tanner has killed his beta yet?
I feel like she has to be lurking here if she's privated it, maybe she saw the earlier posts about her videos? Lines up far too well to be a coincidence.
Still, seems relatively immature.
I hope it's not cow tipping but I tweeted Em about it just so she knows. She was a psycho for a while but I don't think she deserves the wrath of Jen.
As hilarious as it would be if they made a video that accuses the wrong person, Jen won't do it. She just says that shit for attention and so other people jump on the conspiracy bandwagon.
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Conveniently she is again out of something essential. When was last time the axolotl had sand, though?
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Looks like she privated her Twitter, any anon already following her and know what she’s saying?
I wouldn't say sand is essential tbh. A lot of people keep axolotls with no substrate.
That being said, I'm sort of glad to see her taking some criticism to heart even if it's just for show lmao.>>603962
She realised the talk here drifted away from her and is looking to turn it back on herself lmao.
I said this would happen last night when she was having her YouTube rant.
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Is the water level normal? I don’t have fish but looks pretty low to me. (I drew a line where the water line is). My guess is down 1-1/2” from the top!
the tank looks so freaking boring compared to what you can do with them.>>603968
thanks for clearing that out, I dont know a lot about aquariums or these creatures, and essential was not the best wording. (I am not native speaker). I meant more like something she would like to use, or makes it seems like it should be used, but is not. Once more..
"yes hello police? a European is talking to me"
I'm spewing I didn't see this comment when it happened cause it would've been nice to see how she would've reacted to being called a racist.
God kinda off topic but I actually had the unpleasant experience to deal with someone who thinks if a victim says they deserved the abuse then it is indeed the victims fault it happened.
It's nice to know that even though that person was well into their 20s, fucking 12 year olds are sharing the same thoughts.
and omg guys, if a rapist's gf tells you that they're a better person now, they're not a rapist anymore. /s>>603985
kinda scary to know that our future depends on these people who still think this way. Hopefully 90% of these stans grow a brain with common sense once they hit 20.
shit you right, my eyes glazed right over that, im sorry.
Didn't Mama Dean work so hard to separate them for the good part of this year? What was the c$h$a$n$g$e of heart?
Since Mama Dean does lurk here I'm going to address to her because it needs to be said.
Look, I get that raising a son with a rare condition is difficult and time consuming. I also understand that you love your daughter and her fame makes you want to protect her and defend her.
However you're not doing right by either of them and it just makes you look bad as a mother. You filming your son and putting him on youtube or talking about inappropriate adult things he has said without knowing what they mean is doing more harm than good and it makes people think you're trying to capitalize on your son to make money/get fame much like your daughter has.
When it comes to your daughter you're not doing well either. She's dating a known drug and alcohol addict that has a questionable past. You have to tweet at your daughter and she rarely responds back. You have to go to events and line up at her meet and greets just to see her! She's not caring for her animals and her personal choices are not healthy but you spend 8+ hours defending her instead of trying to help her when it's clear she's over her head and showing signs of addiction and hoarding.
You're her mother, you're supposed to be the reasonable mature one but right now you're not. Step up, Mama Dean or stick by your words instead of deleting your twitter/youtube when people tell you what you don't want to hear aka the truth.
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Who's gonna take away your phone then, Jen?
And if I did, I did it because of my mental illnesses.
and it really does sum Taylor up perfectly.
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Interesting, if what this person is saying is true. Do we have any hints who this fish expert is? Taylor always makes it sound like it's someone from where she gets her marine supply.
If an aquarium is kept properly and there is ample surface agitation and good water quality axolotls will rarely gulp oxygen from the waters surface. However if they do feel the need to climbing plants, caves and rocks should be provided so that they can get to the surface. Dropping the water level to half provides even less water for them to swim (which they do btw) as well as can mess with overall water quality. Her 20 gallon long would become a filthy 10 gallon at the very most.
-longtime owner of 6 axolotls
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God she’s going fucking nuts.
Don't you know anon? That's half of the dreaded word "lolcow".
Anyway, where is the Cheese funeral video? She's supposedly been working on it since like Tuesday.
Holy shit. This woman needs to be put in an insane asylum. I wouldn't be a single bit surprised if she ended up one of those psycho moms that drowns her kid or something.
"God told me to do it"
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San Antonio Anon here
Since all of Jen’s videos are now private I can’t look it up but in Jen’s Betta video, they show the front of a fish store in San Antonio, I can almost guarantee her “fish expert” assistant works there. I just can’t remember which store it was
Tbh this kind of attitude is annoying.
If you're gonna imply you know things, don't be vague and go for it. Because otherewise you lose credibility.
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Hmmm. No word on autopsy results…she was supposedly “checking” on Friday! What a lark.
Anonoltl here again to clear a couple things up.>>603899
She made a video about how she 'saved' Mushu from the fungus, including a part where she mentions dunking her in iodine, which is abuse and likely caused the splotches.>>603902
The limit is 74F. Ideal is lower. But I agree that this was probably taken late at night when it's cold and with the dishwasher off.>>603904>>603955
She shows her ignorance again. Having an axolotl on a barebottom tank is common. Some don't like it, but it's a common thing and not normally harmful. HOWEVER, in this situation, where yes she is being cooked slowly, you'd want a bottom for insulation to protect her. Or, y'know, just fucking move her to a different area.>>603925
I have it, it's fine.>>603945
Heat guns measure heat at a surface and has difficulty registering on reflective surfaces. I don't think it works for water.>>603969
Water level is okay I guess, little low for my taste. They don't swim up and down a lot, mostly just moving around on the ground or midlevel, so they care more about footprint than depth. >>603974
Tank looks boring, yeah, but honestly that's a pretty common layout. You can't really give them toys or enrichment. Filter, hides, substrate, plants, maybe some driftwood, that's about it.>>604010
Sponge filters are the standard because they don't like currents. I see the CaribSea black sand used pretty commonly and some discussion about it. Some batches seems to be finer than others. Lots of people use it. That doesn't mean I wouldn't much rather see Mushu with a bigger filter and on a superfine sand (or a tile, which Taylor would have seen is another common solution if she had done any research) though>>604070
inb4 Mushu dies, Taylor claims she was just extra susceptible to an infection since Tay had valiantly saved her from fungus once before or some garbage like that, and then she trots off to LA>>604079
Yep, it's a several-month-long process. Regrowing a limb takes about 1.5-2 months. But it's a moot point, Mushu's not going to recover. Taylor did permanent harm to a creature that can regrow its heart and brain.
she said it would be up today last night, so she assumedly
had it done last night. but radio static today, probably because she’s having Muh AnXiety about anon’s video since there’s no way Jen has the self control not to say anything to her. Taylor is 100%, without a fraction of a doubt, in the know about the video now.
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Mama Dean channeling her inner God Warrior.>>604085>cyberbullying is sharing negative content
Isn't she sharing negative and false content by liening us all to Satan?
fucking kek at that gif anon>>604240
B-but if she loses money, she can't feed her animals, anon! /s
I was going to say this, yeah, it's not good. Most likely if you have a filter going strong your cycle will be okay, but there is always a slight risk of causing ammonia/nitrite spikes. Also the real question is why her substrate got SO dirty anyway, I can't imagine why it should. Worst case scenario in decently cared for tanks would be taking the substrate, rinsing it, and putting it back in the tank. Occasionally you may remove substrate for treating diseases that can hang out in the substrate, but unless she knows Mushu has something she won't tell us about idk why she'd replace it. >>604217
If she weren't lying, yeah they could check for organ damage and screen for bacteria/parasites to try to determine cause of death. Then she'd get info, idk about an official paper or email or what, but they could tell her what organs may have been affected and what may have caused that. Most likely an autopsy would identify something mildly unhealthy but say cause of death was indeterminable, which Tay would take to mean "I did nothing wrong ever!"
But that fish was super decomposed by Friday when she supposedly dropped it off… I find it hard to believe she actually got anything done.
Who knows she might produce a 40 minute video on how her care is actually great and her animals are fine.
I mean, after the initial 30 minutes on how she’s been feeling.
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this got retweeted onto my timeline and im impressed with the popularity of this tweet. people really are waking up
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this is from her social blade.
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THE IRONY, of course
Tbh using her logic I could say trump is actually a nice guy or there isn’t any poverty cause by war in the Middle East because all the bad shit I’ve seen about him and that was on the Internet.
And you know everything on the internet is only assumption and not true.
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Just gound a comment on the video about goose saying they worked where she got him…..i have no idea iv iv attached screenshots properly to this comment. Sorry beforehand if nothing comes up
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Woops the first part didnt attach properly. In backwards order sorry guys
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What a genius, so much for Taylor getting Gooses siblings
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guys i think we found taylor 2.0
Look at how weirdly specific this gets :/
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sorry i forgot to make it a spoiler
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She sounds crazy tbh this is probably one of those cases where a "celebrity" talks to someone twice and they think they're best friends.
I found it too but how do you know?>>604340
Taylor posted a pic of 2 baby rats and then deleted it and said "whoops those weren't from the same litter, got his sisters now though!"
It’s amazing to think that they believe getting bigger cages multiple times for the same animal = good care.
Constant moving can cause huge stress, animals may travel for food but they untimely stay in places they’re familiar with because it’s what they know.
If you can find the screen cap of Taylor saying they have to take drug tests together, that’d be good
He has a restraining order against him for threatening to burn down his exes house and overall violence
He was kicked off warped for sexually harassing a girl
I would include screencaps of all his comments calling girls names and saying nasty things about rape you can find. Also, I’d include the official notice of him getting kicked off warped. Then I’d include Taylor saying how he’s changed, with him directly saying bad things about women again after. Then her saying she was ‘going to talk to him about his hurtful words’ and him doing it again.
I’d also include how he can’t have any credit or bank accounts in his name. Then do a flash of everything she’s been buying for him and how he has a history of using girls for a place to stay.
I’d consider starting it with how he was only supposed to visit Taylor for a week but he never left.
All of this stuff is in the earlier threads if that helps make it easier
I have a few links on the google doc with him saying he’ll rape women with face tattoos and wouldn’t step in to help if his ex was being raped.
I need to find them but there’s been heaps of time in the past where he’s been a jackass to Taylor’s fans which I feel will be important.
Fun fact about the MacBook scam, if any little fans want to say it's fake, it was big enough he got called out by other artists.
Even Attila has a song called "Call Out" where he says "Hey kids give me all your fucking money, I've got a hundred MacBooks and I swear I'm not a druggie," which you can even read online that it's 100% calling out Jonny.
Since we all know how they want to say everything is fake, photoshopped and lies.
And many sites covered it, mindequalsblown did a wonderful job covering it, but I just find it hilarious he was publicly called out in a song.
Like dude. You got called out by a party metal band.
Don't forget that Taylor has NEVER said "ok guys let's stop, it's ok to have different opinions". Like, I've been told by 50+ little kids by now that I am noob, dumb, bulshit, to go fuck myself, all kinds of stuff.
I don't care but other people who might be more sensitive could actually get upset or hurt by it, especially because actual fans of hers get attacked too for just questioning her.
Yes definitely do that, I made an overall one of all the critical videos I know of, using my throwaway YT. The more topical playlists out there with good titles, the better.>>604364
The threat to flush the kitten, as recounted by one of his exes? He has a few cat dramas with them I think.
What about that livestream where he was smoking near the geckos and his dealer came over or something, did that have anything useful in it? Caps and summaries are here in threads.
Indeed. And the fact that she silently condones behavior like that not only says a lot about her as a person - as in, she is a proper cunt - but is another prime example of her inability to take criticism, which is at the very core of her terrible husbandry. She allows her stans to attack people en masse because it provides insulation from legitimate criticism, making it easier for her to pretend that she's doing everything right and convince herself that her hoarding is okay.
That, and she's simply a coward. She wants to lash out at people criticizing her, but doesn't want to get her own hands dirty so she just lets her army of gullible children do it for her. She knows she would stand no chance in a one-on-one debate with someone who knows what they're talking about, so she simply allows critical voices to be drowned out by the bleating of her rabid stans instead of engaging in a conversation.
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Another pet YouTuber left a very careful comment on what ever's video.
Great idea, done.>>604398
That microphone throwing thing was just dumb though. He claimed that the venue claimed they were ok with it and I'm not sure if they said anything about it.
So far the only thing I delve into that's way back is the macbook thing, everything else is recent. >>604399
That was Emilee Rose or whatever her name is
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So I'm checking back for stuff on Twisty and I found this.
The scorpion she got was around a year old…
She says she only got the Scorpion recently. However she made sure to state the one she got was a year old.
I just found this on Jonny's instagram and remembered she recently got it and yeah, I'm possibly reaching but this is just to coincidental.
What would be the easiest ways to find information on TND's animals? Tried instagram but most of them have no information, not species not even a name. It's also really hard to search on instagram if I'm not familiar with the particular animal I'm looking for. I'd like to add dates she received them, and possibly dates they were rehomed/deceased>>604212
OK I'll add em, does she talk about them on twitter or something? I don't actually follow TND too closely, her drama runs too fast for me.>>604221
I'll add Sabor, and I'll just get rid of Kiara all together then. Unless TND claims part ownership or something. Don't want to inflate her numbers any more than they already are.
It's very possible this was at the reptile expo where they got Violet and Frank (?) and Ursula and Twisty from.
Not saying that it is, just that the dates line up. They have a habit of posting older photos.
The only way I think is to actually go through her Twitter and YouTube videos, it's a mess and probably a long haul but that's the only way I can think of.
I can offer some assistance tho, Twisty, Violet (originally named Morphine) Ursula and Frank were all bought between the 18th-21st of December at the same reptile expo, I'm not sure which.
Cruella, Sabor #1, Salem, Louis and Daenerys where all bought in the later half of September 2017. I don't know where Cruella came from but the last 4 came from the NARBC Arlington Reptile Expo.
Ada was a 'gift' from a reptile shop, she received her on either the 13th or 14th, maybe 15th of June 2017.
Toast I believe she bought somewhere between the 20th to the 25th of April 2017. His video went up the 26th.
This is all I can think of right now I'll try and get back to you when I find more.
Yeah this was at the expo they got violet and Twisty, you can see the date on the post was December last year.
I just was shocked to see this and not even a year later she ends up getting a scorpion. I found it weirder still the scorpion in question is a year old. I'm not trying to say it's the same one but, meeeeaaaaeh you can understand my surprise yeah?
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Jfc Jen is so fucking obsessed with Taylor
Is she stupid?
I know she’s talking about the video that whatever anon made, but does she really
think that was spreading hate? There’s a difference between spreading awareness and hate. The anon is clearly warning people about Taylor’s care, she’s not trying to drag her name down lmao. Taylor did it to herself when she took bad care of her pets. I’m so upset about this I can hardly word it. Jen is delusional if she really believes the crap she just spewed. Grow up Jen, you’re the mom here, tell you’re daughter to do better rather than defending her.
Did Jen get these posted to her instead of Taylor just giving her some lmao?
Also, did Taylor pay for these designs, or just get a fan to draw her pets and use that?
She's delusional thinking Youtube was always a happy fun filed world of sunshine and kisses.
"the hate that is spreading through every single 'community'"
Hi welcome to youtube, remember to never use your real name as a user cause people WILL track that shit and to pick up your complementary "GO FUCKING KILL YOURSELF FAG" comment from your common friendly 8 year old.
I wondered the same thing.
Younger fans probably wouldn't insist on payment but idk who exactly drew the designs
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This kid was forming semi coherent sentences up until I responded to him. I think I broke it.
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not only does this make my blood boil but now jen is attacking jonny’s abuse victims… she does realize that TAYLOR got HELP from them and then turned around and made fun of them? of course they are angry. anybody would be angry. now knowing that they tried to help her avoid THEIR abuser, they are bad people? toxic relationships and relationships with addicts/abusers is not a joke. who the fuck does jen think she is?
Why does she always drag her son into it? he has NOTHING to do with that topic it's simply about Jonny's exs and abuse.
Also, WHAT THE FUCK? "oh you were raped and you're not happy that an innocent women who might get raped is dating said rapist, smh you're pathetic" Jennifer you have no idea how fucked up that is, I honestly hope you're just saying this to stir the pot because if you honestly believe this you are WELL beyond the right state of mind and you NEED help desperately.
Taylor is your daughter shouldn't you be fucking worried? the man these woman said raped them is dating your daughter and if all you can say is this it's no wonder she never reaches out to you. You probably just go "ooooh lol it's ok that's just the world"
This is a one way ticket to having her isolate you more if shit does hit the fan, you can't go saying you're there for her if you're spewing shit like this.
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Lmao wtf is she saying?
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I searched for taylor's channel on a browser that I never use and anon's video is the 3rd suggested. If you look at the video there are 24k views as of now, yesterday it was around 14k. Great job Jen for going into berzerker mode in the comment section and pushing the video up to the top. lol
I don't have a full understanding on how youtube monetizes videos. I hope anon is making a little money for putting in all this work.
Monetization starts at 1k subs and 4k watch hours, I think. But it's ok, I wouldn't monetize them anyway. Right now I'd get like 5 Euros for it and just annoy people with ads lol
Right now 50% of the views are from searching "Taylor Nicole Dean" according to the analytics. Pretty dope
Oh I'm sorry, I'm already done with it.
Thanks to the lovely evidence compilation docs anon I was way faster than expected.
You can write that in the comments maybe?
I like what you're doing anon, but it would really help if you left the screenshots on the screen for longer, especially when they're followed by a blank screen and there's plenty of time to leave them up.
Also, really can't understand how Jen thinks you have bad English haha. It's actually mind blowing that she associates an accent with bad English. She's so dumb.
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She’s gone full on batshit crazy
Has she taken a break at all since >>603639
? It's been 48 hours now and she's still on a bizarre rampage. I bet Taylor doesn't even notice though, much less comment on it.
OK I will be done updating formulas for a while because I do that on Excel, and every time you upload a new file onto google drive you have to re-share it, as opposed to the automatic updates when you change things within google. Some new things added;
>Added a date obtained (born, bought, rescued etc)>Added 'date status change' (date rehomed/deceased) open to a better name for this section>added a 'cost'; for now only adding things she has said she paid but will later put in marked estimations of other animals because i think that will be neat>added a color morph section to make the above easier when it comes time, and to differentiate all the animals>She stated back in a 2015 video that Kiara is her dog, so for now Kiara is staying>haven't seen her mention anything about Target Mandarin at all, info needed>her betta sorority is a shit show, as with seahorses… I put date acquired on random individuals because I didn't have enough info other than she got some at one time and got more at another time, same with deaths. Better info needed>there's an unknown puffer fish that i can't find any info on, is it possible that puffer is actually Yoshi?>Found info on one Maroon Clownfish, TND talks about one, in singular, but the Doc says two. Possible mistake?>not finding anything on Marine Betta>no known info on the dates Kovu and Piper were acquired, used dates that they were first mentioned>can't find anything on this milksnake named Prada>need more info on new croc skinks!
Last but not least I found a video from back in like 2015 where she mentions some animals she has now but also talks about animals that are not on the google document. Should I add them to the list or is that information negligible?
If I made a mistake or you can fill in some info by all means let me know.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e8bakM4GHa2J1y4qwYsB-T0jSpN5uWCI_q0dv-odij4/edit?usp=sharing
This was a response to me (Senor Ria) where I actually gave her the benefit of the doubt and told her I respect her for having a kid with special needs and still being strong. I also told her I was done with Taylor as someone who was abused. I went through something rlly similar to Jonny's exes bc my ex's gf is a kinda known Youtuber that mocked me and another one of his exes (the man raped + beat us.) Her response is sick, and honestly the whole "as a woman you know better." And "women being mad at the girl their abuser got w after getting away makes no sense" is disgusting because it's almost like she is choosing to forget how her daughter treated those women. It just shows she wants to play it both ways, and not actually have any accountability. This is what gaslighting looks like, kids.
Sorry if this is considered blogging but holy fucking hell
Her satanic's names are Hades, Mara, and Lillith.
I love the doc. Maybe add a date last seen column?
original google doc anon,
Tay originally had 1 maroon, and then got another to have a pair, but quickly rehomed the new one because it was aggressive or something like that..
marine betta was mentioned in a tweet
Prada is also referred to as "Gucci 2," it's a snake tay got for jonny bc he really bonded with gucci or some bullshit
she mentioned in a tween that the betta sorority got "rehomed" to a friend
puffer fish was part of another list i created mine from, so it very well might be a duplicate
as a parent you're SUPPOSED to disagree with your kids when they are doing problematic
shit. I have no issue calling my kids out when they're being shitty people and it makes us closer. Like, that's the definition of being a parent, guiding your kids to being the best humans they can possibly be in life. Ugh
Thanks for the info, anon! I do think that would be a good idea; I'd like to fit that in with date status change. That way there will be a record if something hasn't shown up in 6 months.I might make it so that the column will keep checking the date, and after x amount of months the cell can turn orange. But right now the sheet is a bit of an utter mess.>>604603
Holy shit having so many Animal #2's is making this harder than it should. Prada will stay, with just some very limited info till I can find more. I'll keep puffer fish but I added a note that it may be a dupe. Thanks for the info!
No Jen, you wanna know what's actually evil? Saying that rape and abuse allegations that can be proven because there's a criminal record are "social media manipulation". You can go fuck yourself.
She actually made me close the tab when I was reading her comments on anon's video. How dare you say it's "manipulation" when several people besides Jonny's exes came forward about his abusive behavior?
He got arrested while your daughter was touring with him, you piece of shit.
But you and your daughter make it look like whatever valid criticism that comes your way is because Taylor is successful, or a girl, and we're all just haters who wish got subscribers. This coming from the same woman who decided to hop onto the YouTuber bandwagon to try to make it as a vlogger by using her daughter's name. I rarely like to abscribe to maliciousness what could easily be explained by stupidity, but in this case this woman is malicious and incredibly dense.
Well she did delete all her social media, so there's no way of knowing what she's up to now.
Amanda has shared as much as she could about him. Liz has been the only one who hasn't said anything besides the Persicope where she talks about Jonny, but I'm sure she must have shit on him.
I don’t have access to the video for the morph because I’m on my way to work right now but Bindis species is a Northen Blue tongue Lizard (or skink)
As for her seahorses Misty and Nova were Kuda and her remaining 3 were erectus. Also I found out her target Mandarin was housed with the seahorses as a clean up crew, so it’s safe to say he was rehomed along with the seahorses.
Both his and Taylor’s Instagram is silent, Taylor’s last post was 2 days ago, Jonny 3.
I’m not sure on their twitters though.
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i'M pReTtYyY sMaRt
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Because they're still really young. A lot of them still have a naive perception of the world and think it's all rainbows and sunshine where there's always room for learning uwu.
But when they're actually presented facts and valid arguments they take it as a personal attack when not really. To understand that this is not the case, you need actual perspective that you get with experience and (usually) age. I'm inclined to cut them some slack sometimes.
Sadly aside from the cats I can’t provide any insight to her animal care cause I haven’t owned anything she has (though as an Aussie I’ve been super into the idea of either a blue tongue or water dragon for a few years now)
Unless she pulls a bird out of her arse I’m stuck using google and anons that I can quickly find that own what animals she does OTL
Omg, this is awesome, thank you!
Please make this the next thread picture!
Hey guys Senor Ria here. Does anyone know if Goose has been neutered yet? I can't find anything online.
Also does anyone have any more service dog/kia screenshots? I
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I don't think this has been posted, if it has, sorry. But how in the world does she think it's sane to be making jokes like this about her fish that was soOooOOOooo important.
they just use her for views and tay knows it but doesn't care to do anything about it
also I worry about her right now. all her posts about how much she loves jonny, he makes her do them. she wanted to leave a long time ago but is trapped now.
She's definitely pandering to her fans. They have a running joke Cheese was a God. So Cheese deserves to be cremated and all her other pets deserved to be baked alive or just forgotten about.
She loves all her pets though.
Which one of you posted this lolhttps://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/a0qynl/pettube_is_a_spiraling_mess_of_insanity/
That subreddit isn't particularly big but I'm glad awareness of her shittiness is spreading
I mean, it's so obvious that she's miserable and that Johnny is a piece of shit to her. Like, how intimate and romantic can you get with a man who has the maturity level of a twelve year old? And especially with his presumed abusive behavior towards her?
But at the same time, I do struggle sympathizing because she KNEW what kind of nasty person Johnny was. She knew his past, she knew what he'd done. He's a public figure so all his shit is out for people to find in a single google search. And then she had the audacity to reach out to his abuse victims for help and subsequently mock them later.
She could always pull a Brian whatever his name is. When critiques of him hit a breaking point he made a video about cyberbullying complete with crocodile tears, but then he promised to re-evaulate the things he does. Probably was an empty promise, but I like to think he might actually improve his reptile care.
I feel bad for Taylor, but I feel much worse for her animals. They never entered co-habiting with JC on purpose "for the experience," Taylor did.
I guess we know it's harder for her to leave her relationship with Jonny now that we know she's also probably escaping her crazy home life so moving home might not be good for her either, but she still has so many resources she could use to get out. With her funds she could move into a reasonable house and not tell JC or her family where exactly it is, or she could just change the locks on her apartment if it's safe for her to do that. If she got rid of him and actually made efforts to fix her pet care, maybe got herself some professional therapy, she could probably get some of her YT following back. Idk if she'd be smart enough to invest her resources or get any education or a real job from there, but it would be a start.
"For the experience," is that not the most privileged, sheltered thing you've ever heard?
"He's a rapist, drug addict abuser."
"Yeah but like, I want the experience."
There's more to experience than that Tay, but okay.
I remember being 15 and wanting to fix a bad boy too.
Those poor animals didn't ask to be collected and neglected by them.
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What a special creature this one is..
If it was me and i was video anon….id say "yup cant wait to hear from"
Would probably shut her up for abit. Thats just me though.
There is no getting through to this one
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this is probably one of the worst, most frustrating things i've ever read
The hardcore stans aren't even attempting the defence on her own videos.
I kind of feel bad for her, she was just trying to do a thing that makes her happy. But at the same time she let it get way to out of hand and tried to hide the fact she possibly knew what she was doing was wrong behind countless woe is me stories and all those pretty exotics.
I can't say from experience, but yeah IV usage would make it a lot more potent, and I'm sure that smoking it/ snorting it would make it much more mild.
But the thing is, it's not like tv where they shoot up and instantly pass out. No one would use if it just made them sleep and not high.
My state is literally in a ridiculous crisis right now, and trust me these people are out and about and very capable.
That little girl is so stupid.
It's important to note that not all heroin comes in the same dosage, you can avoid an addiction if you take a very very small dose and then never look back at it, but it can leave someone down and out if their body isn't used to it.
However this is a double edge sword, you'll either manage to avoid an addiction or you'll want to do it again, and again, and again, and again. Each time you do it the more tolerant your body will become and the more extreme the side effects become.
Injections cause both super high and drowsiness depending on the time from when it was done. Directly afterward a users emotions can go all over the place, either super and weirdly happy, easily angered or just out of it, this effect can last for hours even a day or two if their dosage is high.
Drowsiness takes affect if their body is starting to grow accustomed to the amount being taken or they've gone a while without a hit. And when they get super tired, they get super fucking tired. Users can pass out for hours at a time. Most often or not nothing can wake them up even if you hit them.
I'm not sure when the real withdrawals start, but around a day and a half they can start going weird but any longer, jesus christ they can get desperate for a hit. They will get angry, upset and even physical over nothing or if someone stands between them and their hit.
Of course, the more they're injecting the more extreme the withdrawal symptoms become.
My father did heroin and ended up being arrested for robbery because he was desperate for a hit…
Sorry that happened to you, anon. Thank you for the information, it's gonna come in handy when dealing with her stans.
Do we think that Taylor still uses heroin? Her disappearing for hours because she was "sleeping" sounds like she is but I can't really imagine it Idk
Who knows - but she's living with someone who uses and is subject to his mood swings and erratic behaviour, so all bets are off on what their life is like in that apartment.
They also take kratom which also leads to nodding off.
Im sorry that happened, I wish I could say more but I'm left speechless about a lot of things like that. But for sure, different highs for different people, different usage, different batch, etc but in the case of Jonny being an active user at the time I don't think he would be in withdrawal, but definitely on a come down.
Like you said they can be energetic, jittery, paranoid, or tired and as they come down they can get violent, agressive, or sleepy.
I think people, especially younger people just have what they get from tv and movies, someone with whatever they can find wrapped around their arm, shooting up and immediately passing out. Sad when that becomes a defense as to why someone couldn't rape someone.
I wouldn't say heroin, it's not something you can go on off on. Though I do believe she's used it in the past.
Medication can cause drowsiness, if she's taking anti-depressants it's possible to miss a few days and become super dizzy and sleep longer and deeper.
Something else to take into consideration is weed. Jonny does smoke weed and since she's in the US I imagine it's stupidly easy to get a hold of and cheap at that, I wouldn't put it past her to be trying and doing that whenever she can.
Also she's kind of a sissy pushover so tbh weed can probably be enough to knock her out especially if she smokes it or inhales it from Jonny after taking medication.
Though, wow my family is just drugs sjkhad, my mum tried slowing down before eventually going cold turkey and during the slowing down time she found that her body was no longer used to it and she was getting higher much quicker than what she used to.
I have no idea what Kratom is about though so anon above is probably better for information on that.
Considering how much 'trust' Taylor has in him, I would imagine it would be super easy for him to lie and get money for a hit. So yeah I don't think he will start showing any real signs of a withdrawal unless Taylor puts her foot down or the police get involved.
Want to also mention I worked with a man who, although has been clean of heroin for 6 years, still struggles to this day of side effects and the dent to his depression it did.
So if any stan says that Jonny went to rehab and is now clean, it's bullshit. You can't go to rehab once for it and given how much of a user he is he would be in the very high dosage range and one trip to rehab and a social group will do NOTHING to stop his addiction.
Yes it happened, but I have no idea where you could find the screenshots. I think in the end the ex got the cat back though
I'm really excited to see HOW Taylor is going to come back from this. Acting like nothing happened won't work since it's so many people that realized she sucks. Addressing it would also not work because she would either have to lie or admit she can't care for her pets.
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Woa how the tides have turned on her Cheese video. The comment section on it is crazy how many people are calling her out. There are so many especially calling her out on the comment "Zazu was just a fish" and a few days later after saying that, she makes this video. It's no surprise she's in hiding right now seeing the effect the nonny video had! I'm so happy and I genuinely hope this will push her into doing better. And admitting for once rather than make excuses.
Wonder if this has made her try and break up with Johnny and shit escalated?
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Nearly all top comments are calling her out.
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LMAO there's some grade A shade in those comments!
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lmao holy shit
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This is the 6th comment from top comments, and hopefully that'll bring many many more views to the video exposing her
I wonder now that her channel is actually suffering from it, if she is gonna now actually try break up with Johnny since its gonna threaten her Insta toth lifestyle
Bullshit. Taylor is boohooing throughout that video and not squeezing out one single tear. Enabling a manipulative fuckwit with ass pats ain't the thing either.
RUTHLESS is getting more and more animals like they're some Happy Meal toys and sticking them in small, bare enclosures. RUTHLESS is failing basic pet care because you're too strung out to care for them. RUTHLESS is frying your animals alive because you can't give a fuck about anything beyond yourself and pacifying your junkie boyfriend.
Grow up and stop mollycoddling eejits.
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We got em boys, video anon is officially the top video result when you search Taylor Nicole Dean on YouTube
Will take this into consideration when I get closer to the final product. Might put it on another sheet, too.
Yeah, or her favourite, sending her fans to attack the person.
I honestly won't be surprised if this is what is gonna push her to try and break up with Johnny, which will kick him off because "he came home for her when cheese died".
To think this entire thing could have been avoided had she just not been such a lying asshole, and be able to take some critisism and work with it. Wild.
But what do we know, since we are just HaTeRs
Yeah. I still have hope she'll snap out of it, take a good look at her life and choices, and get her shit together. It won't be easy (she has barely no job experience and no education to speak of), but I sincerely hope she'll turn to more productive things.
It's unlikely, but hey, it might happen. I hope it does, for her sake and her animals' too.
There's a small chance she was going to but saw people commenting on how he died and realised that if she uploaded it she'd be in huge shit.
No doubt we'll get a crying video.
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Oh, here is the screenshot of Johnny his tweet reply from 8 hours ago that other nonny mentioned
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Oof. There are many many more like this, a lot of them linking the video!
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This is a bit OT, I was trying to look in Taylor’s friends’ likes and such, see if anyone is acknowledging what’s happening even if they aren’t tweeting about it. Found out I’m blocked from LoeyBug even though I’ve never interacted with her, just used to call Taylor out on twitter (probably only a hand full of times, though). Wonder if any other anons have also been blocked by this cow?
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The dudes name just makes this comment 100x funnier.
Oh is that who she is? That actually makes a lot of sense now :/
I'm extremely into the paranormal side of youtube and her videos have popped up every now and again and I gotta say, compared to some of the people i'm subbed to, they kinda suck.
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I hope she can get help and I'm glad we finally got through to her stans and I hope she can change for the better but also I'm dying at this tweet
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Lol this playlist was one of the top 10 results when you search her name on YouTube. No hiding all your shit you tried to sweep under the rug now, Tay Tay.
unironically all she would have to do is just make more content showing she actually does take care of her animals, it would be a win-win for her, a more active channel with more videos, and show everyone she's taking care of her pets
but that's not going to happen, she doesnt care about anything but money
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Fuck that's spot on for her.
>using all her money for herself>pretending to care about animals for money>neglecting animals in her care>staging videos/pictures for sensationalism>hiding deceased pets from the public>favoring certain species over others when it comes to level of care/attention provided>tries to portray herself as humane despite proof to the contrary she slips up and admits (aka physically knocking mice unconscious)
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Don't forget that the whole story about Taylor 'cooking' her pacman frog & croc skinks is still dubious at best, as Jessica recieved texts that the frog supposedly died from malnutrition & that she was replacing her skinks (who might've died before then).
Which means that Taylor might've fabricated the story about the power surge/outage that lead to her somehow going back to sleep for 10+ hours & then waking up to discover them 'cooked' to death.
She probably thought it would be convenient to make it seem like they all died around the same time in the same 'freak accident', even though this story STILL made her look bad, if not worse than if she had just told people what really happened.
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Good intentions don’t mean good actions taylor you animal murdering piece of shit
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Fucking delusional cow.
Guess the theory they were on a drug binge doesn't seem so crazy with her response.
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Fucking cunt with her typical arrogant and snarky replies
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You can literally see she is getting her narcissistic fill from her blind fans and her anger going down from their praise. Gross.
And perhaps it would be a good idea to point out the pattern that occurs almost every time:
1.She goes quiet
2. She begins actively attacking people
3. She makes sarcastic jokes about the criticism, i.e. "oh I'm such an animal abuser lmao"
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She's gonna have to admit to all this negativity sooner or later so it will be interesting to see what happens.
If she does rehome some of them I hope she doesn't just throw them to other petubers or animal shelters.
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has this been done?
And vet visits are stressful to all animals, and she has so many that are especially susceptible to stress-related illnesses. Every 4 months would be such an unnecessary risk.
Again she's trying to make herself look good with her lies, but unwittingly makes her look like a complete idiot.
Throwing herself a pity party
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree
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Taylor and her predictable "quirky" trying to "joke" about the situation
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not every hoarder has to be a messy ass place. My mom's a hoarder but she keeps things organized and it doesn't seem like she is a hoarder until she shows you all the clothes she's been collecting since I was born. Here's a photo of a place that hoarded a bunch of reptiles in tubs. Didn't her stans say she's not a hoarder because they all live in tubs
Yeah. Especially since the majority of her animals are reptiles and not many of her fans own them or have experience with them.
I wonder if we could also ask some people on reddit on how they feel about Taylor's enclosures/animal health by just giving a few images/videos to them and not mentioning the fact that they may be unwell.
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Totally agree. What a ridiculous claim. She must have at least 40 non-aquatic species, right? To take them all to the vets every 4 months for no reason is such a waste of time and money, and unnecessarily stressful to her animals. If she ever did that she'd be taking 4-5 at a time if not more, and there is no way she wouldn't take photos of all the carriers and be like "just a normal check up at the vets lol". What total bullshit.
It's honestly crazy how much she overcompensates with her lying. They're not even realistic. It's embarrassing.
>>605129>found a special spot to share them
No, you found a place to flaunt them. You buy designer pets, the 'trendy' animal of the month, etc and then you ditch them when something new comes along.>>605150
Except you don't stick your baby in a crib on top of a furnace. You don't shut your kids up in a dark closet for days at a time. You don't leave your kids without food, water, or basic human interaction without CPS knocking on your door.>>605171>would never watch any animal slowly suffer and die
Except we can all name at least three animals in your care right now doing that and the first one lives on your dishwasher.
LOL this is all so very Taylor.
Has a car… but has no license.
Worked at a Petsmart… for a few weeks as a cashier.
Has a BF she lives with… who's Jonny Craig.
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A look at the change in her subscribers within the past 4 hours. Top row is her Twitter. Bottom row is her YouTube channel.
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Here is a couple. I took them off her Instagram. I didn't want to make four posts, so I hope they're readable. All the dates are there so they should be easy enough to find if you want them individually.
Kida was the reason I stopped following Taylor. The only animals she had that I had experience with was hedgehogs. Her care wasn't great but was better compared to other care I've seen. But then she got Kida. I applied for a service dog around the same time she got her. I couldn't believe that a trainer would work with an older dog with abuse issues. She never said the name of the organization so I highly doubt that it's a reputable one.
I find it ironic that Taylor said Kirara was a family dog but she bonded with her mom, so she was happy to have a dog all of her own. Then about a year later she said she bonded more with her brother and he needed a service dog more so that's why she left her behind. Since then I haven't seen Mama Dean post anything about furthering Kida's training or even helping Tanner.
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not sure if she has a car cause of this tweet i found on his twitter awhile back. wouldn’t they just use their own car for that many groceries?
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But sober and wants to stay clean.
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So she could dish it, but couldnt take it?
They already suck, she only gets 250k views on average.
It's interesting that many people say that they stopped watching her because they felt like something was off, I usually thought that people lost interest because of her horrid uploading schedule.
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Idk if this has been mentioned yet but Jen changed her youtube name to Gone Forever, what kind of melodramatic bullshit
Of topic but this reminds me of what I used to do as a kid.
When I was little and wanted attention from my friends for whatever reason after they upset me (kids love sympathy) I’d change my profile picture and username to “quitting” in hopes that they’d message me and feel bad. They would and it’s kinda cringey thinking back lol.
Jen literally has the mind of a twelve year old yikes.
Well yes. At the beginning her videos were actually cool, and she seemed awkward yet grounded. But then again she was still living with her parents, so even if Jen's batshit, Taylor looked like she got her shit together.
But after she moved to that apartment with Jonny, everything went to shit. Her channel is only good for "all my pets" videos, and that's it. She's not like Brave Wilderness or even Emzotic (as batshit as she also is), because she doesn't KNOW animals. She wanted to "branch out" into Twitch or a second channel, but lacks the charisma other vloggers have. Tana Mongoose is trash yet she's entertaining. Taylor isn't because the only thing that makes her watchable are her animals. If you watch the videos where it's only her barely get views. She was bragging that she was gonna reach 2mil by the end of the year… but she's plateau'd.
Subscribers are fickle, and after a while her "all my pets" videos will also stop generating the revenue they do now.
She thinks that most of us are haterz who're jealous, when actually we used to be subscribers who liked her.
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Just found this on Twitter. But yeah, Taylor totally doesn't show signs of hoarding.
Show, don't tell.
She can't because more of them died. We haven't seen some of her pets in months.
Imo all the animals that were on Emmas "lost" sd card are either dead or sick
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this show up for anyone else who watched what ever’s video? good to see the algorithm really has picked up on these
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She's losing subs in the 100s now
Should we start taking bets on what her newest animal will be?
My guess is a spider of some sort since she was talking about a Cobalt Blue or some other species of blue tarantula a while ago. That, or she will replace Cheese with another cowfish in an attempt to keep the meme of her talking fish alive.
Yeah won't be surprised if she is gonna get a P. Metallica (or cobalt blue since the viral video labelled it as such)
Definitely think she is gonna get hella tarantulas very soon because they're cheap in maintenance and also low maintenance. Plus she can pull a hundred excuses out of her ass when they die. Despite female T's having a long life span between 15 to 25 years. And I think that's because she has taken notice of Exotic Lair his fast channel growth. Her roaches video reminded me a lot of him though his was far more educational
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Y’all remember the years of shit 90% of youtubers get? No? Guess this dude doesn’t either.
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Viking Funeral tonight, folks!
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lmao people STILL think Emzotic made the video!
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The rat she saved, excuse me? These kids are wild
Perhaps we should just spam the video with
"It's a fish dude. Fish die all the time"(cowtipping)
kek, next thread photo nomination>>605525
Verbally shitted on TND hundreds of times (literally) on earlier threads; calling her ugly/generally shitting on her appearance, shitting on her pet care. Also Em was being a general psycho cunt even going as far as to shade HERSELF… Shit was mad
I thought it was gonna be >>604756
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It’s our fave 15 year old “animal educator”! Ig retweeting and liking a bunch of tweets about animal care is what he considers being an “animal educator”. You can see where Taylor’s influenced him!
Was outed by lolcow mods after posting in the general pettubers thread identifying herself. She made several posts about Taylor where she acted super vicious about her appearance, mostly.
Which is kinda funny because I remember other people actually calling her out about that and saying it wasn't cool to shit so much on her appearance, before they knew it was her. For all the shit we get, we've actually been far more considerate at times than people who actually know her.
Emzotics comments can be found here btw https://lolcow.farm/emzotic.html>>605531
I'm just reading some of them back and my God, she is actually fucking off the deep end. How're you not only gonna talk about yourself in third person but actually shit on your own
husbandry and appearance. I hope she gets mental help as she obviously is fucked in the head
Taylor needs a permit for her snakes if I'm reading this correctly…
Any owner, caretaker, or other person who keeps any non-poisonous snake over three (3) feet and/or fifteen (15) pounds, in addition to complying with all federal and state laws, regulations, and permit regulations affecting such snake, shall: …
Then there are a few requirements to be met in addition to a permit.
And animal control hasn't done anything about her?
Kid, you'll look back on this shit, and hopefully cringe.
I believe in you, son.
Yeppers. Back when she first got together with Jonny, I was one of the people who left concerned YouTube comments in her video because she was so obviously off her gourd and not coherent (as well as bunking with fucking Jonny) – and the volley of whining and bullshit that her little fans engaged in the comment section was beyond belief.
I don't get what sort of idiocy people are teaching their kids these days that they think a rapist junkie is in any way considered boyfriend material or someone you'd like to see with someone you care for. Blows my fucking mind. Lack of life experiences is one thing (these are little kids after all) but there's edgy and then there's WRONG.
Oh so a jen 2.0 deal happening i take it.
On another note whens the cheese vid going up i dont want to miss the comments section on that
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Here comes the oh so righteous petube clan with their defense. It's ironic she doesnt agree with supporting toxic behavior yet supports Taylor's?
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I mean Taylor clearly doesn't think respectfully correcting mistakes is OK since she blocks anyone who tries but go off.
Also, being called out on your lies can be hurtful but is not inherently disrespectful
Sorry it’s a bit late, this thread moves fast. Kratom on its own will not cause the nods and to be honest I’ve taken it mixed with other substances and I still didn’t nod. I’m going to take a guess that if Taylor is really “sleeping” this much then there could be something else helping her along. Kratom however is fantastic to take while coming off h. As long as you are dedicated and willing to deal with some discomfort at least. It helps take the edge off in the early days of wd and then as needed for anxiety and pain later on. It can be a lifesaver.
If you nod out on h while the needle is still in then you could be in big trouble. The only time this happened to me in 7 years of use was when I had an od. This used to not be the norm but it’s becoming more common as fent is now everywhere and could be in any dose. It’s a crapshoot lately.>>604927
this person is an idiot that probably has never left their parents basement. Everything they have said is wrong and being this naive they probably won’t survive until voting age.>>604931 Junkies do all sorts of different things while using. Clean, drive, cook, murder, rape.
TND and JC stans really aren’t even old enough to think for themselves.
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She acts like taylor doesn't immediately block anyone who questions her care.. how many times have ppl tried to be respectful about it and Taylor still didn't give a shit
Tarantula keeper her
I hope she gets a pokie and gets bitten by it. These aren't Ts for inexperienced keepers. Theyre venom is no something to fuck with.
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From a biologist who stans taylor.
Sorry if posting incorrectly, LONG time lurker. First time cobtributing.
Ha NONE of her wild-caught pets are rescues.
The only pets that are "rescues" are Nemo and MAYBE Star (though Star is doubtful).
Feels free to screen shot my post to use as a reply to this person.
- zazu was wild caught and was a gift from a family member.
- her Kudas were wild caught and all were bought from the same store.
- her moon crabs were possibly wild caught, the person who sold them to her don’t even know where they come from.
- Kronos and all her satanics are wild caught, she got them all through Reptile Pets Direct who confirmed the wild caught status.
- cheese was wild caught, she traded her snowflake eel for him at the same store she got said eel from.
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Any comments from rat anons on the new rat cage?
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The kind of licensing that comes from her ample education and work experience with animals, naturally.
Nada. Zip. Zilch.
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Might be worth while to thumbs this up, she’ll either delete it or respond to it either way she can’t keep getting away with shit anymore.