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21 year old "family friendly pet mom" Youtuber, her 32 year old junkie boyfriend Jonny Craig, and her creepy controlling mother.
Previous thread: >>>/snow/648850
The basics:> Taylor is a notorious animal hoarder known for collecting 40+ rare and exotic pets and manhandling/mistreating them for the sake of her Youtube channel which has over 1 million subscribers. Several pets have died in her care, many more have fallen ill due to her neglect or disappeared after "rehoming" them. Fails to give proper enclosures for many of her pets, including overstuffing fish tanks, keeping her kittens locked in the bathroom, and her mouse and hedgehog in the closet.> Jonny Craig is the frontman of the band Slaves and is most well-known for being an outspoken abusive junkie. He has been in and out of rehab centers for a decade now and has been kicked out of multiple bands and off of tours for his behavior. He is usually homeless when he does not have a girlfriend to leech off of.> Several of Jonny's ex-girlfriends have come out with stories of Jonny's physical and sexual abuse, including rape at knife-point. His ex Chelsea confided this in Taylor when she and Jonny first started dating, in which Taylor's response was to laugh with Jonny and make a public spectacle of it.> Taylor loves to throw pity parties for herself and dodge around the real issues when faced with criticism about her husbandry, hoarding, and hypocrisy. She can never keep her stories straight and will tell outright lies only to contradict them hours later. Her fans are sycophants who only encourage her.
Facebook (private:) https://www.facebook.com/Taylor.Nicole.Dean
List of all Taylor's pets:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QNUksDcQk_cqLTkTFTiPjP2pCGBQgORyCesIIqvZ2Zs/edit?pli=1
> Jonny recently bought himself a milk snake and bought Taylor an orchid mantis> Jokes about dead pets (hardly new at this point)> They both continue impulse buying animals despite owning over 30> Posted photos clearly showing off a number of suspect bruises on her arm> Proof (kind of) came out on Twitter that Taylor smokes heroin with Jonny> Posts picture of abandoned service dog looking overweight and with an unhealthy coat> Uses her plethora of illness to excuse not posting, yet she’s somehow able to care for 30+ animals everyday> Suddenly starts ranting about being vegan and saving the planet despite not even being vegetarian herself> Finally got the cheese tattoo, looks terrible (not surprising)> Got the new monitor sage, lies about its size repeatedly, still too small for the monitor and provided next to no substrate, hides, inadequate lighting, and climbing area for the monitor.> Kovu died at 3 ½, Taylor claims it was a result of bad breeding and she expected him to die way earlier. He likely died of heat exhaustion in the wake of the heat wave that struck Texas when he was living in a tank, after months of neglect in a closet> Jonny went on tour in Brazil, was drinking the whole time, holding open alcohol> Started claiming that a breeder was going to give her a $7500 snake for free just for telling him who she was, then claimed it was only $50 for shipping, it’s still not clear if she’ll end up with the snake > Decided to put all of her snakes into breeder racks> Never bothered getting a proper set up for the mantis shrimp> Posted a link to a podcast not realizing that it didn’t paint her in a positive light (link to the podcast and summary of the podcast with time stamps is in previous thread)> Pacman frog is very unhealthy, legs splayed out, eyes blown out, bones and muscle deteriorating> After months of neglecting to treat her bearded dragon for what started with a small tail injury and possibly losing just the tip of its tail, the tail became necrotic and about half of the tail had to be amputated.> TLDR of said podcast: In reference to TND’s no showing at Playlist, Mama Dean says that part of the reason that she came to Playlist was because she thought something would happen. It was confirmed that TND didn’t stay at the Marriott, was instead in some house/apartment with JC, and a SWAT team shows up and question Mama Dean about JC when Taylor is still missing. TND arranges the lobby meet and greet and shows up half naked and eyes glazed over. She was supposed to go back to where her and JC are staying but that he just texted her saying he’s at a bar, so she can’t even get back into the apartment. Interviewer lets TND stay in her hotel room to wait and TND sits on the couch and stares at the wall for 45 minutes until she leaves to go back to JC.
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Does he always have this much white/speckle-y stuff around his face?
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Mushu doesn't look great in pic I'm attaching but definitely doesn't have that long white streak on his face. Definitely looks like a scar or fungus.
He’s so annoying. Are his friends exactly like this? Cuz that’s just sad. He’s trying to boast about everything yet he wont live past 50>>648928
Poor thing. I bet TND going to try to “fix” it first before sending him to a vet too
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Sounds like she just wanted to interview Taylor as a fan of her videos. Jonny really fucked things up for her (life), it's plain to people who have never heard of them. Heres a screenshot from the replyall Twitter.
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I feel like Taylor won't care about her roughneck when he's this big and not really "cute" anymore. They definitely aren't as cute as adults as they are as babies, so I feel he'll be shoved into that inadequate enclosure for the rest of his very possibly short life
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You need to sage if you're not adding new milk.
And this is mushu a while ago, he definitely has some white markings but it's nowhere near as extreme as the white in her story
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Jennifer retweeted podcast interviewer praise lol
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One of her female hedgehogs. She conveniently showed pics of a new enclosure with "great ventilation" the day Kovu died (possibly from the heat in the closet). Just doesn't seem like it's 6x3.
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Apparently she’s going to the same guy who did her deformed crocodile tattoo.
So basically she's going to rip off someone else's nice tattoo and get a shitty knock-off like she did with the crocodile.
Not to mention a full sleeve takes weeks of work and thousands (?) of $.
She showed an example of the style she wants. It's dainty single needle linework. It will look terrible!
Don't forget Johnny outed that they threw away money on two new phones (broke his literally at the store supposedly lmfao)
He constantly outs their ridic spending on useless shit and Taylor recently broke her third (second?) camera not to long ago and replaced it etc
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Lots of empty cages that I’m imagining she’s going to fill soon. Also looks like the 6ft cage she moved her hedgehog into is the bottom one of these cages. Weird considering her reasoning behind putting them in the closet to begin with was so the reptiles couldn’t smell them (although we already know that was a BS excuse).
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Her vet (Town and Country) only has one vet and he’s not an exotic vet. Just more lies.
Why would she lie about this? I just imagine her in bed eating Cheetos, getting Cheeto past on the screen of her new phone as she comes up with these stories.
"How do I make myself look like a good pet mom so people will stop calling out my shit care? Oh, got it! I'm taking my bearded dragon to the vet at 9PM! Only a good pet mom would do something so inconvenient! God… I hope that noise just now was Jonny drowning in the shower."
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Blaming the breeders for her not knowing Twisty is male.
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Blaming the breeder for Twisty's tail rot.
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Claiming only she could have noticed the rot and helped Twisty, despite neglecting him for 8 months.
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(sorry these screenshots are sloppy, I have a lot to go through from her instagram)
Her she's blaming the vet for telling her to use essential oils on Twisty's tail. When she's called out she claims she meant mineral oil but then still claims the idea for essential oils came from the vet. Which is it? Always blaming someone else.
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She's getting called out on instagram for lying about her vets in re: to Twisty's tail and the monitor.
We've known all along that she's been going to the Town & Country vet for months (maybe even years).
But she claims she was taking Twisty to a different vet who didn't want to amputate because the anesthesia would "kill him." Then she brings him to this great new vet who does the "correct treatment." Except this "new" vet is the Town & Country vet she always uses and is also the vet who just knows the monitor is CBB.
She doesn't want to take any responsibility for allowing Twisty to get so bad so she actually makes up an incompetent vet to blame and pretends her old vet is fucking brand new while simultaneously trying to pretend they've been telling her for months Kronos is captive bred.
…and her fucking stans actually believe this shit.
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Does Taylor not understand that different artists do different style tattoos? Not only is the porno tattoo artist that did her crocodile subpar at tattooing, his style is nothing like the picture she linked. I feel like she wants a dainty, pretty sleeve and is going to end up with something chunky and really out of proportion. Ahh well, it's her own fault for going to a 'model' for her tattoos instead of researching decent tattoo artists.
Sorry for off topic but y'all will love milk anyway.
Joce is pretty milky herself. Keeps selfposting and saying she "Found someone" asking question from Taylor when it's clear its she herself humblebragging and her Instagram. She also changed Insta name multiple times after getting caught, including most recently today, it seems. Also few threads ago she was confronted about the selfposting which she denied but then again her Instagram magically disappeared.. Who knows, maybe our very own vet extraordinaire will find herself in a thread of her own some day.
Also based on what can be found on Tumblr she is pretty snowflakey and changed her name/url and blocked people when someone criticized a tattoo of hers.(off topic)
I don't care how petty Chelsea is, I'm here for it. It's hilarious. She deserves to be dragged now and more people should be
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I saw this comment on Taylor’s community post about pet fest. Even though Taylor’s fans are ignorant for supporting her, I hope Taylor actually shows to everything she’s supposed to for the sake of people like this who are spending money to come see her.
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This is hilarious to me because it's one more example of how uneducated she is. Newsflash, Taylor, Lush is anti-conservation, anti-zoo, and pro-PETA. Lush's treatment of the Little Fireface Project was terrible, especially considering that organization does actual work for conservation of the slow loris. No, Lush would rather give money to PETA and Free the Oregon Zoo Elephants, a bunch of rabid animal rights activists who don't care about animals at all.
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How can an apartment as nice as hers have such a filthy bathtub? How does she not notice literal dark dirt in the pics she posts
While i think bathing in a dirty bathtub is gross, i feel the bigger concern is how in the back of all her pics/videos there's clothes & various trash thrown around. But i guess she doesn't care what conditions her roaming pets live in. She should at least
keep the animal room shut.
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Lmao yeah sure, Tay. I doubt most of the stuff she uses is cruelty free, I had a quick Google of the Designline silver shampoo in the background and couldn't find any confirmation that is was cruelty free, other than a tiny sentence on the website saying they don't test products on animals, nothing about ingredients, if they sell to China, if they're affiliated with or pay another company to test ingredients on their behalf etc etc, all pretty basic things if you're looking for cruelty free products. I honestly wouldn't judge someone for not using 100% cruelty free products, but don't try and act like you do and are also vegan lmao, what is with all the constant lying and proving she's a massive hypocrite time and time again. Just don't lie ffs.
But totally not a hoader
In all her stories there is clothes and trash everywhere
Jonny and Taylor sit in their asses all day but cant even pick up that?
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Here's the tweet itself
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Taylor is going hardcore with those drug addict tweets.
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I hope for the fans' sakes that this doesn't become TanaCon 2.0.
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Did this get posted already?
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Why I have the feeling that problem of unselled/selled tickets will be a problem?
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Seriously what hairdresser is still willing to bleach this disaster.
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Does anyone know what happened with this?
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This is so ridiculous lmfao Didn’t she say something similar years ago about how she knew so much about the animals on a tour at Disney that they “hired her” there too, and then she never mentioned it again?
It doesn’t take a genius to know that a shitty fish tank in a doctor’s office probably never had a “professional” involved from the start lol let alone someone they would simply fire just like that. She lies a lot, she needs constant validation, to be told she’s doing a good job or she’s so smart and better than others etc. It’s sad as shit lol
also, I highly doubt there is separate person in company just working with fish tanks.
I work in office and we all have brought plants here and take care of them together. There is no "plant acquirer and caretaker" profession in the company.
Also, if her claim was true I would not be seemingly proud of getting someone fired.
Taylor reminds me of those Tumblr girls who pulling stories out of their ass. And then everyone clapped.
Coincidentally around the time she has been sperging about addiction being a disease so this read to me like>If you get your partner addicted too, it will be "our" problem! Not just mine!
Or>If you find a partner that also already has addiction problems, it can be our problem together!
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Lol Chelsea here. I find it hilarious that jonny is a relationship expert when this is how he actually feels
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I know this is emzotic so that’s a whole nother can of worms but lol @taylors mother completely missing the whole point about understanding consent. Also isn’t her stepson like 30?
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wow the resemblance is uncanny kek
she has completely ruined her hair, it looks like it probably breaks when she even touches it! She needs to chill on the bleach, she looked better with dark hair anyways. Her skin though… She's only 21 and her skin looks like that, oof. Why is she just wrecking her appearance?
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Also included the shitty comment + reply Jesus Christ
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This is awful but I made an attempt
Taylor logic: why bother owning up to your shit when you know you can get away with lying and block anyone who sees through it so you can keep up the "I'm a good pet owner, I know everything, I'm always right and if anything happens to my pets its the breeders/vets fault" persona? She knows she's full of shit but she doesn't care.
She knows her stans will defend her no matter what so she just pulls shit out of her ass and they eat it up. Her lies don't even need to be consistent because they're retarded enough to believe anything she says. She can literally stab her cats on camera then say "they were terminally ill and suffering but the vet wouldn't euthanize them so I did it myself" and they'll still believe her and praise her for being a good pet owner.
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Did he get dropped on his head as a child?
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She is so manipulative and self-centered. Nobody is claiming addiction isn't a terrible disease, but most decent people believe in being held accountable for the shit you do (like rape). Being an addict isn't a valid excuse. Go be a fucking addict with your scum bag boyfriend but maybe don't lie and pretend he's sober when there's photos to prove otherwise and then act like you're being "bullied" by people. The only mental disorder she has is pathological lying.
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I'm not arguing with you…
I'm 50! Have a great day!
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She can't let it go lol
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Here's the thing. People feel bad for addicts who are miserable, want to change and realize how their actions negatively affect their life and the lives of those around them. It certainly doesn't remove responsibility from mistakes they make or crimes they commit.
No one feels bad for you or your shit stain boyfriend, Taylor.
She's already painting themselves as victims so she has to take zero accountability (JC too) when things go sour. "It's a mental illness, I can't help it!"
Depression and anorexia aren't terminal diseases you thick cow. No, you can't "just think differently" and cure them, but the expectation is that people with these issues at least seek help and TRY to treat their illnesses.
And that includes addiction. Only idiots think addicts just "shouldn't do drugs", most people think you should GET THE HELP YOU NEED to get off them.
Taylor's fucking rich, there's no excuse for her to not seek therapy for both of them, she has access to resources that most people can only wish for. She could even shill it for "awareness" (read: money and asspats) on her stupid fucking mental health channel
But no, she's too fucking lazy to do anything like that - that sounds too much like work! And getting immediate asspats injected straight into the vein on twitter for virtue signalling and being "so brave uwu" is so much easier.
I honestly think all this addiction talk isn't just for her pet rapist's benefit. I think she's clumsily trying to preempt the backlash she'll get when her rampant cocaine habit comes to light.
What pisses me off is that she compared addiction to dementia too.
So fucking disrespectful.
She only talks about going to school the way other malingerers like her do, “I was totally an honor student but -insert relatively benign chronic illness- made me drop out!!! It’s not my fault! I’m still brilliant! I could go to school and I would be the best biologist ever but because of my ~illness~ I’ll never have to prove that to anyone!”
I don’t think she actually wants to have Jonny’s demon spawn, but it’s obvious they’ve talked about it. Considering he’s going to die at some point in the next year, that’s probably going to take precedence. Good luck taking classes with 40 animals, a toddler, a dead baby daddy, and a coke addiction Tay.
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What kind of person retweets this cringey ass shit about themselves
seriously. I just listened to that "reply all" podcast episode about her last night and I was cracking up about how this lazy bitch was complaining about having to take care of her pets. it was right after she said Jonny never leaves the house. she said something like "I can never just relax at home, the only place I can chill alone is in my bath. Jonny's always there and I always have so many pets to clean, feed and take care of so I never get to just sit and think. it's overwhelming"
like really bitch? I give her a pass abput the Jonny comment, that'd piss me off too having a bf who's constantly up under me in the house. but the pets? you brought these poor animals to live in your trash infested, smelly, dirty apartment. and now you complain you never get to relax because of them? fuck you
thank you. tbh I don't think she's an addict. I totally think she's done coke before but I don't even know if I believe her when she told Chelsea she smoked heroin w/ JC. I think she's trying to come off like she lives a rough lifestyle and has been through so much at a young age uwu.
I also think she is weirdly threatened by Chelsea and JC's relationship even though JC treated her like crap. she said to Chelsea in one of the newer screenshots "was it always so bad with Jonny? you at least had it good in the beginning right? with me and him I had it bad from the start!" it sounds sick but I think she wants to compete with Chelsea.
also, I think she's laying the "addict" thing on thick (without just outright saying it, publicly at least) bc Chelsea told her JC always wanted a girlfriend who uses with him, more than anything. Taylor told Chelsea she used to be a cocaine addict. I don't believe that.
like I said, I'm sure she's done it before and I'm sure she does it now sometimes and possibly dabbling in opiates due to Jonny (not sure about the opiates tho) but I don't think she's ever been an addict or had a true problem…yet at least. I think since getting with JC she thinks addiction is cool and edgy and wanted to "relate" to him by talking up her past experience with cocaine
not saying she won't end up turning into a junkie BUT I think at the moment she is exaggerating her "addictive personality"
samefag but also, I feel another aspect of it is that the 3 exes had almost identical relationships with JC (though Chels' was the longest). none used drugs/were addicts, the same cycle happened with each of them, he used them for shelter and money, etc.
and obviously Taylor's relationship is going down the same road, she's on track to become the 4th ex with the same old story of being fucked over by JC.
I think exaggerating her cocaine use and possibly using heroin with Jonny was one of the ways Taylor felt she could be different. like "I understand him. I'm an addict too. none of his exes get it and that's why they didn't work out. I totally understand what it's like, I did coke a few times in high school!"
also, despite the fact that Mama Dean is naive and ridiculous, the way she is up Taylor's ass, I'm sure she would have noticed Taylor being a "cocaine addict" while she was living under her roof
Hahahah omg don't.
I'm actually laughing about the thought of her on the first day of her degree and realising that most of it is nothing to do with animals and dropping out after 2 days because of "muh illnesses".
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And the animals are alone again so she can chase JC on tour
She has pretty much admitted to being an addict without actually saying it. She was explaining how she has an addictive personality and has grown up around addicts. Why say that if you aren't saying that is the reason she is/was addicted.
I'm over her saying it's hereditary too. Both my parents did drugs and I grew up around lots of other people that did them but I have never touched a drug in my life.
Exactly. She is missing the point that it takes responsibility and a brain to recognize that "hey, my family has had problems with addictions and I have seen firsthand what it can do to a person, maybe I should not try drugs
?" Nobody is forcing anybody to do drugs.. unless it's your piece of shit boyfriend forcing it onto someone, huh Tay.
Yep. Watching my brother with drug induced schizophrenia made sure I never wanted to go though that.
Also if she knows she has an addictive personality why is she hanging around addicts then? How is that not obviously a stupid idea?
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The way they talk to one another is bizarre and childish.
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She's criticizing her local aquarium (the one from her mom's vlog?). Such a hypocrite.
Fair point. lol.
"wow my egg. wow." He's a real poet for sure.
Her 'I'm an egg' is the equivalent of 'rawr xd i'm so random holds up spork' that 13-year old's thought was quirky.
Pure and utter cringe.
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Or just use your usual 'i ate gLoOoOoTeN' or 'muh eds' or 'i passed out!!!!' or 'muh depression'.
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What's wrong with her forehead?
Agreed. In 5 years from now her current fans won’t be tweens. And any possibility of her getting a large amount of new fans is unlikely, who wants to watch a shut in who just constantly makes excuses about not uploading? Honestly at this rate she’s not gonna be shit in 5 years because she’s so bent on just staying in bed all day.
In that podcast done on her, she already admitted Jonny follows her around 24/7 and they just do nothing all day.
Her cringey high school “I am egg lol” “what a weird dog (skink)” personality wont last long. She is just full of cringe and the same stuff over and over, it will get old. She has don’t nothing with all the opportunity she’s had thus far.
When the day comes she can’t afford to take care of her animals anymore I pray that they get taken and rehomed to have a better life. I hope to god they don’t keep dying off, the poor things…
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Her new video just popped up on her tattoos… did someone confirm that hooktube still gives her views+ad revenue, or is it still best to view through there? If hooktube still gives views, might as well just still use YT with ad block.
Not gonna lie, I way prefer her personality in this video, is this what she's like when she's not with JC?
Altho, it's clear that this was filmed yesterday or today, why does it usually take her so long to edit? lmao.
This is so nitpicky but it always makes me cringe when she talks about how much of an inspiration Steve Irwin was and how he inspired her to work with animals and wants to make the world better… yet can't even put in the effort to go to school and get a good degree and actually become educated on current issues in zoology/ecology/biology/environmental sciences. Does she actually think of her little boxes of animals as a sanctuary or something? If anything she promotes people buying from shops, buying baby turtles at the side of the road, buying wild caught animals, keeping animals inside their whole lives (other than dragging them around on a leash once) etc. Idk why it just really rubs me the wrong way, like this was not what Steve Irwin was trying to encourage people to do when he taught them about animals.
I always cringe when she brings up Steve Erwin and how much he inspired her, when in reality all the shit she does are things he never would have condoned. This is not what he wanted people to do when he educated people about animals.
I think she always does this because she wants the “oh my god it was so hard for me to lose Steve he meant so much to me uwu”. Like seriously shut the fuck up, imagine what his family went through losing him. His daughter really lives up to his name and does right with animals and education, and Taylor is a wannabe Bindi and wants to be revered as some animal expert.
It's obvious she's jealous of Bindi, I mean, who wouldn't be, she has an incredible life. Yeah her grandparents and parents paved the way for her, but she still went (or goes to?) school and she works so incredibly hard.
Taylor expects someone to just hand her a job at a zoo and to be congratulated for teaching kids about snakes for 10 minutes a week.
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she is literally balding. This photo makes my scalp hurt looking at it. What has she done to herself? There’s so much breakage and receded hairline, I can’t believe she posted. If I did this to my hair and it was falling out, I would be heartbroken and mortified. does she not notice or just not care?
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'Bare face' 2015 Taylor looks like a whole other different bitch from coke whore 2018 taylor, it's a shame, what a squander of youth and beauty.
I think it’s a shame bc it’s part of the whole “Instagram culture”
Girls that have naturally gorgeous looks like Tay used to, trade them in to look like every typical insta famous beauty guru with the block-looking brows and puffy lips.
Taylor’s insecurities caused her to trade in her uniqueness for a commonality any girl with access to sephora and some dipbrow, lip injects and bleach can get.
If you’re lurking Taylor, you genuinely looked pretty with the dark hair, softer brows and at the very least less
bloated lips. You can get back to all that! Ditch the bleach and dipbrow! Go with gimme brow by benefit (it’s faster, lighter and easier to apply anyways!) and give the fillers a rest. You looked way younger, softer and more yourself that way. Plus it’s all less work for you.
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Old school pic of taylor (came from her ex Will's online photography page but i think it's since been deleted), she's gorgeous and radiant here. Really depressing comparing the photos.
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Does roll have multiple meanings or is this really more self exposing?
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Her tattoos are going to turn into an artsy pet cemetery.
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Who says this shit about themselves? Do both what? Lie in bed and also a wear a leotard? Wow skills.
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How much do you reckon this new video will feature her new hair? So she's had no videos filmed this whole time lmao.
Seems like whenever she changed her hair all her illnesses disappear and she can film and edit videos in a day wow. Magic bleach.
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$135 for that?? Damn, priorities right??
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How the fuck did that shitty croc take 6 hours??? He must be a very slow worker. I wonder why she isn't going to a better artist? It doesn't seem like he tattoos full-time
Just speculation but never seen TND wear Dolls Kill but she magically starts wearing them soon after they announce they’re looking for models to “be a doll”
Wonder if she’s trying to go down that route
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'they're'? Is she not sure it's female anymore?
> dresses like this
Totes family-friendly guise!
On another note, more of her 'rawr xd so random holds up spork' sperging. It's embarrassing at this point. Also, doesn't she run her mouth off about 'being vegan'? Why is she talking about eggs?
“When did I say rape was justifiable?”
Um, maybe when you started dating a rapist and laughing at his victims. That’s when.
She always does this… promises she has new videos ready to be released within the week, then no new videos come for 2 weeks, and they all were filmed within a few days ago. When her hair is died and her nails are done, she magically has no illnesses and can handle filming videos left and right.
That’s a pretty sad life for a YouTuber, to only feel like you look decent when you go get it professionally done. If you can’t get ready at home without looking fried out and awful… Jesus. She really doesn’t take care of herself.
Oh my god I did and it’s so fucking funny like really defeats trying to look sexy. Chelsea posted a boomerang in one and looked fucking hot- no undies. (Shout out Chelsea)
I also can’t with this pigtail braids oh my god so awful
I’ve been using https://www.proxysite.com
Just have to get the link to the original video and paste it. And once you have one video you can search for others
Her apartment is disgusting, of course she doesn't make her bed.
She doesn't have someone clean her apartment, it's hilarious she even suggests that. Because then it implies that her and JC make ALL THAT MESS we see in the background within days… like really?
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She should stop pretending like she gives a shit about issues like this when she’s dating a rapist that constantly degrades women on social media.
Tay always wants it both ways. She wants to empower women, yet dates a rapist. She wants to promote veganism, without even being vegetarian. She wants to be family friendly, while posting provocative photos. She wants her and JC to be sober, even though she and he definitely aren't. She wants people to adopt and not shop, even though she herself spends thousands on designer snakes.
She's a huge hypocrite and so two-faced that I don't believe she really gives a shit about anything at all.
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It's just for show. She cares more about looking like she's a good person and acting like she's ~so inspirational~ and above everyone instead of putting in the effort to actually be a good person. But who needs morals when you're getting laid, right Taylor?>>653143
lol is this how she's trying to defend her rapist boyfriend? Can't say I'm surprised, she basically admitted she doesn't care that he raped anyone because he didn't rape her.
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Jonny made dozens of songs literally about his ex's who are still hurting, he made a whole career off of it and continues to succeed in it. But you probably didn't stop to think about that Taylor
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Taytay was being bitter and shit over Millie Bobbie Brown and Jacob Sartorious. Basically making jabs at them, then going "I changed it so sensitive people- I mean millet- I mean Millie Bobbie Brown won't get upset" and retweeted someone asking why "grownass men and women are being protective of two kids who they have never met, are way more famous than tem, and don't give a crap about what others think"
Keep in mind these two kids are like 13-15 years old, it's not their fault they're in the spotlight and that their cringy moments are broadcasted for the world to see.
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She's not even really profiting off the situation. She was being paid a sponsorship to talk about mental health regardless of if she mentioned it or not. If she made a video called "STORYTIME ABOUT HOW I INSULTED TAYLOR NICOLE DEAN ONLINE" yeah ok, but that's not the case.
What Em did was shitty, but stop playing the fucking victim Taylor it's getting pretty tiresome when you have to make everything about you. You and your manchild have ridiculed people online many times, so just shut the fuck up.
Taylor has to make everything about herself. I don't like Em either, but she shouldn't have to manage her life or videos over what Taylor might feel.
She tells everyone to give JC a second chance, but not Em? When we can all agree that what Em did barely even compares to what JC put his exes through. But that's not our place lol
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"She's a great liar. She's going to have a reason for everything." Kind of like you?
How is she going to preach about how bad bullying is when that cretin she's dating is constantly calling people ugly and worthless for calling him out on his shit and she enables it? She's so fucking pathetic and desperate for attention.
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Chelsea deleted, prob because Taylor's fans are psychotic.
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She gets rightfully called out for supporting a rapist and being a bully then tweets shit like this.
Is this their attempt at being romantic and deep? Geez, no wonder he has to buy his lyrics.
Also I've never seen a couple showing PDA this hard.
I just started following Chelsea and LMFAOOO Taylor is trying so hard to look like Jonny’s exs. Total manipulation from JC.
Chelsea, you look beautiful and healthy as ever. Don’t let any man bring you down.
Taylor, get your shit together. JC is basically running your life inside and out. Good luck getting out the longer you stay in that
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Gifts won't bring back all the extra tail that had to be amputated due to negligence. It looks like he ended up in one of the small cages from customcages.com, none of which to my knowledge are large enough for a bearded dragon, and his front claws look weird.
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wtf.. tell me why I just saw this on my explore page. sage cause not new milk but I thought it was funny
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Omg anon I had the same post in my explore page. I checked the comments and saw Jonny himself defending her lol.
The thing is, if she had actually went to the vet, they could have amputated with local anesthetics. It would be like tail docking a puppy or removing the du claw. I also like how she said “ you’re big enough to go under anesthesia now” as if she can dictate that lol
She also said new vet again but it was her primary vet so it wasn’t all that new to her?
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She looks bald as shit
fuck me I deleted the post I was replying to on accident.
Fuck, sorry, this was in reference to >>654168
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Sage for old milk, but I was talking to my friend about her monitor care and he pointed out how thin Kronos is, his tail, back legs, and neck aren’t filled out at all.
He also talked about how inadequate her feeding is, Kronos shouldn’t be on crickets, instead he should be eating feeders like rats, eggs, chicks, etc. He seems stunted because of this. From what I’ve heard Monitors fill out fast, and how long has she had him? A couple months? He should be growing but he doesn’t seem to be.
On a side note, why does Tay feed her animals crickets that havent been gutloaded? Thats basically the equivalent of eating iceberg lettuce.
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I'm in no way a fan of Emzotic, but seeing what she feeds her bearded dragon (left) vs. what Taylor just showed she feeds hers is interesting. I feel like she really does the bare minimum for her pets
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She was sponsored by a mental health support company right? Like….it's not like she was hocking MeUndies by talking about her mental health or something. Her little "artistic interpretation" was super dumb and cheesy, but there was definitely truth there.
That idea of perfectionism or overworking yourself to keep up appearances is almost never shown as a bad thing, even though it's a seriously harmful thinking pattern. It's always just shown as "I'm just a perfectionist lol!". If she was just full of shit and wanted money she could have just been like "I know what it's like to feel sad, I get stressed out too!!!". Seems like what she showed instead was a very real anxiety disorder.
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Idk if this has already been brought up, and sorry if it has already. But why would JC leave HIS toothpaste at home if he’s on tour for god knows how long??? Are we just supposed to accept he doesn’t brush his teeth. 100% a lie. Sorry Taytay, your nasty habits aren’t gonna slip this time. It’s not that hard to cap a toothpaste even if it was your sick boyfriends.
funny how she blames it all on JC and even calls him an animal. lmao. if she was an actual clean person, she could just clean up after him and had a talk about cleanliness throughout HER apartment. if he's respectful, he would clean up after himself.
She's basically showing that he's the one making a mess and she's just looking at it and saying, "oh well, he's an animal what can i do"
Either way it looks bad. She can take the blame herself, or she can shift it onto JC and indirectly call him an animal.
We've all see what her apartment looks like in the background of her videos and photos. Just crap everywhere thrown into piles. You can just imagine the smell, grime, cobwebs and dust everywhere.
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When she doesn’t stop with the hair dying
She should have done this before she bleached her hair once again. She should have just took an extremely long break from dying, I’d say at least a year, and chop off the unhealthy hair as it grows. With all the money she makes she could have got a really nice wig with the bleached hair look she wants. Even though imo dark hair suits her so much better, Jonny’s just definitely grooming her to do what he wants.
Especially with that bodysuit, I just can’t with that. I’m sure Jonny told her to wear it. She looks awful with it and the underwear sticking out just… defeats the purpose lmao. That boomerang of Chelsea in the black bodysuit is absolutely gorgeous, she looks so healthy and beautiful. That is what a real woman who takes care of herself looks like (shout out Chealsea, we see you and support you girl).
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Sage for old milk, but looking back on Em's posts here after seeing that video is a little alarming. I know a lot of it was her talking shit and defending herself, but she really must have some deep seeded self-hatred to post some of this stuff (not all pictured). Some of it is so specific. The comment about her maybe not being able to have a baby actually makes me really sad. I hope she gets the help she needs, maybe more than just an app.
>inb4 "hi em"
just someone who is familiar with that type of anxiety and self loathing!
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Gotta love the emzotic subtweets from Jen even though they can apply to Jonny and Taylor just as easily. The irony
I don't know if some anond are just talking about how pretty she is or whatever to annoy Taylor when she is reading here but jeez, she is really not that special clothes or looks wise. I feel for her and it's great when she calls out Taylor and Jonny, but all these anons saying everything TND is doing to herself is to look like Chelsea is dumb.
I was a mantis breeder and tbf we do discriminate. If you only buy one it means you're not breeding, so it's not worth sending you a female because you're not going to give back to the community. Sending people who don't breed females makes species go extinct in captivity, and casual people are a good way to get rid of shit stock.
You can count the segments clear as day on that pic, it's undeniably a male.
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Is she…making fun of a literal child?
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But anon! Those were ~~~mistakes uwu
you're just a hater.
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Taylor reminds me of the girl from the Mrs. potato head video by Melanie Martinez. Both used to be beautiful natural brunettes but let their insecurities and a manipulative man turn them into blow up dolls
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A clip of JC falling on stage. Yeah, he’s totally sober Taylor
Here's the link to the video:https://twitter.com/mandaxface/status/1025227999380041728
He fucking grabs that poor guy's face he fell onto at the end what the hell is wrong with him? People need to spread this on Twitter so Taylor's stans see how abusive and fucked up Jonny is.
Eehhh you’re probably pretty young. Jonny was pretty well known 10-12 years ago in the post hardcore scene. He was in pretty popular bands in that genre, even was in s super group type project for that scene.
Taylor on the other hand, to me, was nobody until the twitter drama with her, her parents and Jonny last year.
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Stills seems inadequate to me…
And there's still only about an inch of substrate, so no burrowing is possible. So much for the "cage liners" she was going to get.
She never uses thermometers from what I've seen other than those crappy colour stick on paper ones that are totally useless. She mentioned on instagram that she has a temperature gun, which yeah great, but we all know she's not walking around with that every day checking the temperatures are accurate in all the tanks.
Has she ever once mentioned thermostats/thermometers/hydrometers in any of her "care" videos? I can't think of one but I could be mistaken.
I'm pretty sure anon was saying because they're young they haven't heard of the bands. Dance Gavin Dance and Emarosa are pretty big bands, especially 10-12 years ago.
He's not relevant anymore, but most people have heard of those two bands, especially people who were into hardcore back then.
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Your blowup doll need new ones, Jonny.
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This is all I could really find…
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How predictable. So Tay, he doesn't "hate" you, he just disagrees with your shitty pet care.
She 100% believes she's some pet-owning goddess who is exempt from all criticism.
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"Just check with your hand"
LOL. This bitch is retarded, do you also put your hand in the oven to tell how hot is, instead of reading the temperature? I don't even own reptiles and I know having a thermostat is basic care 101.
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Yeah, I'm happy he's addressing the thermostat issue. It is so incredibly dangerous for her not to have them or even mention the need for them to her followers.>>655951
I disagreed on that point as well. A day/night cycle is beneficial as is full spectrum uvb light.
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This guy's account is a goldmine of call-outs.
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This guy is gold. So her version of people "hating her" is having actual critiques that she doesn't want to listen to. >>655956
This girl is autistic. It's impossible to get and keep the correct temperature without a thermostat. If you don't have reptiles, for reference, I've tried putting my hand on the bottom of a tank with a heating pad without a thermostat connected and I could not keep my hand there. So we can all assume Taylor's reptiles are not at all on the right temperatures.
They're also not expensive at all, they're sold on amazon prime.
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He makes some good points here on her impact on the reptile community at large.
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This is in response to Tate refusing f/t rodents. Taylor's animals could benefit from a more diverse diet. I guess she's never heard of Perfect Prey or Layne Labs.
Goddamn, Bohemiaaah is is stupid cunt. That "hun" instantly spiked my blood pressure. Fucking hate that shit.
Jayce is completely in the right regarding heat mats. I'm very active in the tarantula keeping community. And while heat mats are not used for tarantulas, they are almost always used to keep up temperatures in feeder roach colonies. It's common knowledge to always use a thermostat to regulate a heat mat and prevent them from reaching dangerous temperatures.
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I agree. I've gone through his twitter quite a bit today and I like a lot of the points he's making. He seems to be passionate about animal care and it's hilarious to watch Taylor's stans try to argue with him.
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I wonder if this is in reference to Taylor's croc tattoo?
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Barf. She is so shady and manipulative with how she twists things to get sympathy from her brainwashed fans.
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"at the bar"
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I blocked the number but she posted it on twitter with the full number visible.
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Instead of being the bigger person, she's petty as fuck. She wants people to to attack this "fan" to teach her a lesson.
Youtubers bigger than her deal with way more shit and handle it professionally - ignore comments like this and move on. They don't even bother blocking sometimes, because giving attention tho these comments isn't worth it.
Tay can't help herself. Not only does she reply, but she posts the convo publicly with personal info attached. How sad.
Ok yeah… this person is creepy for doing this, however even if this person is in the wrong, Taylor should be the better person and not show someone’s full phone number?? Plenty of YTers get hate and I’m sure creepy stalkers that find their phone numbers. Block them and move on! Taylor is such a fucking hypocrite “wahh bullies hurt me so much, Em is a bully, everyone bullies me :(“ but takes every opportunity she gets to let her angry mob of 10 year olds bully others. She must feel real powerful.
Honestly Taylor I’m glad you’re miserable and have to constantly change yourself and buy things to try to be happy. You will never be happy with this kind of life. Because YOU are the one who is a bully. You’re disgusting and pathetic, and I’m glad you know it.
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Gotta love how Jen indirects her own kid but attacks anyone and everyone who does the same
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What a saint lmao. Donated $505 towards a dog's surgery. I wonder if she did this because of past posts about her sharing GFMs, but not donating
Donating is the ultimate damage control for more “famous” people when they do shit wrong or are being called out for something. Yes that’s great for the dog that she helped donate to the surgery, but we all know Taylor does it so she can be revered by her fans (as you can see by the first comment under the post).>>656520
That’s like me saying everytime I open the food cabinets my dog follows me around because it loves me so much. Yes my dog does love me but my dog also knows that she often gets fed when I am in the kitchen. I’m sure if she didn’t hand feed her fish they wouldn’t follow her. They have their own level of intelligence, as all animals do.
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Mama Dean is a real piece of work. First, step son is a lawyer and can’t spell attorney…secondly, she can spot a liar easily because she raised the best liar around, and finally, what the HELL does she know about maturity. She’s the most immature individual I’ve seen in a loooong time!
I agree with this, Mama Dean is a totally nut job. However I don’t think it’s an excuse for Taylor to be the scumbag she is, just because of her mother’s raising. Taylor is a master manipulator and loves using excuses for EVERY little thing in life. Next thing you know, when dirt comes out on her she can’t defend, she will refute attack by blaming it all on her mom. Once you’re an adult you’re responsible for yourself, welcome to the real world. She’s old enough to know right from wrong, and she chooses to be wrong. She can never take blame herself.>>656640
Gross. I’m sure she’s real “safe” with daddy lmao. She loves her animals “so much” but she’s already leaving them all again. I feel so awful for her poor animals. Enjoy the short time you have that Jonny can’t cheat on you since you’ll be watching his every move Tay. He’ll just be right back at it again when you leave, all while he love bombs. But ya know “couple goallsss”!
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Maybe she’s been preemptively calling herself “egg” knowing that she’s going bald after all the shit she’s doing to her scalp.
She kind of looks like a recovering cancer patient here…sad
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Watch as she deletes this two minutes later.
" I'm so ready for him! "
yea…so ready to show him off like a designer handbag, then shove him in the rack, and start obsessing over the next animal to purchase.
Even as someone who has never had snakes, the enclosure just looks so half-assed and lame. No wonder she always has to take pics of her pets being squeezed and scraped by her acrylics, instead of in their shit tanks. The fact that she is totally ignorant to the proper care for virtually every species she has (way too many), and never rectifies her mistakes makes it even more baffling that she can call herself a "pettuber". I know she's the poster child for hypocrisy, but omg is it disappointing to see her not give a fuck about her animals. She goes on and on about how her pets are her "full time job" and she's an "animal educator", and yet their enclosures are beyond inadequate. Moreover, she loves bragging about how much she spends on them, as if that proves she takes care of them, when of course she pays for overpriced stuff that doesn't meet her animals' needs (e.g. her pricey cages that aren't suitable sizes and can't hold proper substrate). She could provide her animals with so much better if she wasn't so selfish with her money and actually invested in her so-called business/brand. Even better, she could stop hoarding ridiculously overpriced designer animals only to abuse them. Adopt don't shop, my ass.
All her enclosures are shit and for no good reason, she has the money and the time to make them amazing but she chooses not to. Tay cares more about the price tag than the animal, and she cares more about the cost of the enclosure than whether or not it's actually suitable.
People with less money and time do better than she does and that's just sad considering pet care is her "job".
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I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up and can't find the video where she explains how she burnt her arm… I think she said she burned it on the top rack in the oven?? But the placement doesn't make sense? She's right handed, but it's on her left arm… And people normally grab things with their wrist up and thumb on top and that couldn't have been the case with the placement. So her story makes no sense with where her burn is.
The past few posts about it being from a pipe or whatever makes sense!! She is such a bad liar.
I agree and I wish Chelsea would chime in on this with her opinion.
I wonder if Jonny ever tried to burn any of his exes while high?
I wonder if she's trying to butter up the seller of the chimera and convince him to sell to her.
As far as we know, the snake is still available. So unless it's a different snake then we'll just have to wait and see.
I bet she is going to pull something shady, like keep pushing the date back until she makes a video that the breeder was being dodgy and pull some sob story.>>657566
this as well
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Hang on…she has burns on both arms!
Exactly. And to make matters worse, she'd rather drop several thousand on a designer animal that fits her aesthetic, than put that money toward a decent setup for that pet or say idk, a rescued animal. If I were her I would be embarrassed to post about putting all these animals in such painfully amateurish setups. It's obviously hoarding and negligence at this point because she literally refuses to take care of them properly.
It's not even just the equipment, she also could be splurging on high quality food and vitamins. Is it really that hard to google her pets' needs? You had one job, Taylor. What a coked up piece of work.
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Like a manchild, he can't handle the truth and every comeback is just 'lol enjoy working'. Some people actually enjoy their jobs or are people we need in this world like doctors, but he's so far up his own ass he thinks everyone works at some minimum wage part-time.
How is Taylor not beyond mortified and embarrassed that he acts like this on social media? Calling women hoes and bitches every chance he gets and belittling everyone who calls him out or disagrees with him. He's like a 12-year old where he thinks he's won an argument by saying "your Mum's a hoe."
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anyone notice the bruises and marks all over her leg in the Cheese tattoo video?
I wish more people would call her out on Jonny’s disgusting manchild personality on social media. Suuuure you had a talk with him on how he treats women. You’re such a dumb fucking liar Taylor.
I know everyone’s wishing him dead but you know what? I hope he lives a long time. Be miserable with him Taylor. You’re going to be exhauuuusted trying to handle him for much longer. Especially when you can’t bring in the money 5 years from now when you look like a full on crack head with 100+ animals. God Jonny is so repulsive, she’s so damn fake for acting like they “looove each other so much uwu”.
Tbh, i don’t see Taylor and JC living the rich and famous life after 10 years especially if they decide to move to California. My friend lives with her family because it’s cheaper and she’s a Dentist. So, even if Taylor is getting 15,000$ each month, she has to feed, take care, and spoil her manchild along with all the designer pets she has trouble with. Beauty doesn’t last forever unless it’s natural, but for her, she ruined it all because she wanted to look like an insta-sexdoll. No work experience, no degree, and drugs once you’re too old for your stans? Good luck. By that time everyone will give up on Tay and JC will just get with another 20 yr old.
Sorry for a bloglike post but damn, she’s slowly abandoning her animals to make videos of her plain self
Hell I'm just speculating that she will spiral downward in the next 5 years, but god in 10 years, she'll be totally irrelevant. Spot on, looks don't last forever (which is what most people followed her for anyways), but in her case she prematurely ruined her young, naturally good looks. She looks like a 40 year old, and she looks like every other botched insta-thot. There's nothing unique about her. She will just be a gross 30 year old shut in who hoards animals to try to be happy, while giving them all crappy care. I also don't see her moving to CA though; some of the animals she has is illegal I believe. And she has admitted already she's a total shut in who rarely leaves her house, so why move to the hustle and bustle of LA for example.>>657981
She really should have gotten a nice quality wig. It looks like she's balding because she continues to fry the shit out of her hair and pulls it back so tightly 24/7. If the roots are that bad, I can only imagine what her ends look like up close - I think that's why she keeps it pulled back all the time. She should have just let the new hair grow back to let it heal. It's very sad seeing what she once looked like compared to now.
I'm assuming the anon is talking about this >>656277
when she fully exposed someone's number publicly on Twitter.
That guy was wrong for texting her like that, but she's disgusting for exposing his full number knowingly so her army could attack them personally. She should have been the better person, but she clearly isn't. And she knows that.
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She's so anxious she'll probably accidentally eat gluten.
Pretty sure that's why she's staying. She knows she has the means and support to leave whenever she wants, but she doesn't. She's in this relationship willingly. She'd rather play up the whole "relationship goals, rockstar girlfriend" thing to brag on social media while attacking and blocking anyone who criticizes them and twisting it so she's the victim rather than do what's best for her. Then when they inevitably break up she'll come out about how abusive she was and milk it for more attention.
I'd have sympathy for her if she didn't know any better but she was warned by 3 of his victims from the start, all with graphic details of what he did to them and a play by play of how her relationship will end up. The shit with Chelsea was very recent, it's not like it was something that happened years ago (not like that would make it excusable). He didn't change and Taylor knew exactly what she was getting herself into from the start. >>658079
It's so weird how much she lies, and over the most insignificant things too. It must be exhausting. There's something seriously wrong with her. I can kind of understand lying to cover her ass when she did something awful to avoid confrontation (even though that's still shitty) but there is absolutely no reason to lie about the rest. It's not like anyone would get mad at her for not getting the snake, what is she getting out of lying so much??
Yeah, I have no sympathy for her at this point. Even knowing he did all that shit would make me repulsed to even be around someone like that, let alone proudly date them and parade our relationship all over social media.
She's 100% going to milk this when it's over, saying how she survived the abuse, how she's a victim, boohoo for her, etc.
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I've contacted the person who texted TND. She claims tons of fans are harassing her. Also made this post on Twitter.
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You don’t need permission to text someone number Taylor jfc(don't use emojis)
Two wrongs don't make a right.
The person who texted her was in the wrong, but Taylor you are so much worse in comparison by exposing her number. Go ahead and expose the text message, but really? You're absolutely fine with people telling her to kill herself?
You call yourself an advocate for mental health and are anti-bullying, but this says otherwise. YOU are a bully, Taylor.
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our animals yet he just exposed himself not helping her take care of them at all? I have to laugh
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amazing, she cleans out their unsuitable cages? what a goddess! let us all praise the girl who decided to hoard 40+ animals.
also, half her night? for 40+ animals? goes to show they get zero care or one-on-one time with her. i spend half my night with my rats alone.
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Sage because kind of unrelated to Taylor, but I just wanted to post this because it goes to show that no matter who you are and how much knowledge you have about animals, there will always be idiots (“fans”) commenting back like this. Image related are replies on JANE GOODALL commenting on a chimp’s living conditions on therealtarzann’s instagram post. Reads exactly like when experienced reptile keepers critique Taylor’s husbandry.
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Why is there so much shit on the floor…
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I'm gonna go ahead and call BS because this would be the FIRST thing you would mention when doxxing a number, not an afterthought 20 minutes later. She is backpeddling hard. I hate how anyone with a big enough following can be such a bully yet claim to be the victim all the time and their rabid fans eat it up like a fat kid eats a cupcake.>>658345
Her logic is quite literally 'be mean to me and you will get death threats and wish you were dead', that should show them! How's that mental health channel going, tay?
so someone wanna explain why taylor has been "donating" to others to help their pets lately??
didnt she donate to someone the other day too?https://www.gofundme.com/profile/taylor-dean-9ghku
only one thats coming up is to this cat earlier today
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Seriously Jenn. Go get a life and learn reality. And Taylor retweeted it no less!!!
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.. I know she thinks this is a big defense of hers, but.. It actually makes her look worse. You can't even take care of your animals yourself so you have to hire help? That's not normal. You are now running a zoo. Which she also sees as some badge of honor. I mean if love to adopt all the stray cats I see but if comes down to what I can personally handle. If I died tomorrow god forbid they'd have to be able to be easily rehomed.. You never know what could happen.
I know I'm beating a dead horse but she's so stupid and irresponsible it's insane. I HATE that way she talks down to people on her Twitter. I would bet money she'd never say that shit in person. She also only says this shit because she'll have 20+ stans validating her.
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Kinda relevant lol Taylor you literally can’t take care of your pets and have to pay for someone else to do so. I guess you’re hoarding by your fellow pettubbers standards
Her cats need to be fed on a daily basis.
Not sure about her hedgehogs, but pretty sure some fresh food for them would be nice.
All good, she has a lot of low-maint animals that don't need daily attention… yet she stills need to hire someone to look after them, apparently.
Just goes to show she's way in over head.
What a fucking piece of shit. Obviously bullying is only bad unless Taylor's doing it, right?>>658413
He's too fucking retarded to do anything, we all know Taylor's the one taking care of "his" pets. He admitted he doesn't do shit, he doesn't even bother helping her. What a keeper!
So instead of helping her with THEIR animals so she finish sooner he just lay in bed waiting until 4 am kek.
She really doesn't get embarrassed when he say things like that?
She's constantly too high to care for them herself. Funny how she's perfectly fine getting huge tattoos and piercings but filling a water bowl is suddenly unbearable? Her illness sure is convenient.>>658407
She talks sooooo much shit online but is too nervous and scared to even say hi to a fan in person. If you even looked at her funny irl she'd probably have an anxiety attack. She's the definition of a keyboard warrior.>>658426
That retard can't even type a coherent sentence
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Just wanna say I totally agree with the sentiment that declawing your cats is cruel, but this statement shows her childish mentality. 'I've had cats for almost a year and that has NEVER happened so if it's happening to you it's because you're less of an expert than I am!!'. Firstly, she's had cats for less than 9 months. My cats never scratched furniture when they were younger, but they loved wooden bannisters and bed frames when they got older (and this is from cats who had 3 scratchers and went outside). The anti-scratch stuff did nothing, and we just let them do it after a while because there was no stopping them lmao. Anyway, the point is I just find it hilarious when she thinks she knows everything about animals when she's had them for 5 minutes.
She doesn't even know how to hold a cat properly, so go figure.
Also cats do scratch up furniture, even with appropriate equipment. The trick is teaching them not to. But of course she doesn't mention this or give info what to do if you're having trouble getting your cat to use a scratching post. Great education, Tay! Keep up the great work!
Also yes, declawing cats is cruel and wrong so she's right about that at least. Unfortunately she's talking about people who literally won't take the time to train their animal, so this post is essentially useless.
My cats knew not to scratch furniture when we were around, but as soon as we weren't home or in another room it was fair game hahah. Honestly I think they got a thrill out of it, like a kid doing something they know they're not supposed to. Cats will be cats, we loved them too much to really care about some scratched wood anyway.
You're right in what you're saying though, her post is literally reaching no one that cares. She's one of these people who thinks she's doing good by posting on twitter.
Agreed. It's disingenuous to suggest that cats don't claw at furniture. They inevitably do and will. Even a well behaved and trained cat will do so because it's perfectly natural. Her exaggerations and lies are going to do more harm than good by encouraging misinformed people to bring cats home, only to abandon them as soon as the cat starts exhibiting natural behaviors.
You shouldn't declaw cats because it is comparable to amputating fingers, and is associated with a number of problems for the animal. You shouldn't declaw your cats because you're supposed to care more about your cat than your stupid furniture. But by Taylor's logic you actually should declaw your cats if they do scratch at furniture or you, which is just plain idiotic and wrong.
Also, I'm pretty sure she's assuaged commenters' questions about marks on her body with "don't worry guiise, it's just cat scratches" multiple times. I don't really remember exactly, am I wrong? It could be reptile bites I'm thinking of.
Regardless, I can't stand her arrogance on the matter. We all know the real reason she didn't declaw her cats is because she's too lazy to take them to the vet frequently. It's mostly just annoying how she made the whole thing about her and her allegedly perfect pet care, as usual. She neglected a kitten until it eventually died, but of course she's an expert. If the blatant lies she's spewing were true it could actually be a cause for concern that her cats aren't displaying such a basic feline behavior, and might be indicative of major stress or health issues. I shouldn't be surprised she's too dumb to realize that if she doesn't even know how to hold a cat properly ffs.
the only reason this misogynistic pos doesn't think his gf abuses animals is bc the abuse he's familiar with is violently assaulting and raping women at knifepoint. oh, and flushing innocent kittens down the toilet. taytay treats her animals like shit, but her man-child somehow manages to make her look good by comparison.>>658338
well said, anon.
We aren't defending the person, we're calling Taylor out for being a hypocritical piece of shit by exposing the number so her fans will go harass them.
Do they deserve it? Probably. Was it the right thing to do? No. Not in any way was it right.
It’s ok though guise she’s probably spending $600 a day while she’s away on tour with Jonny. Look how much she spends on her animals she’s so caring!! uwu
Honestly I do hate that she equates money to care, my guess is this is how it was in her household. She grew up a spoiled brat I’m sure who got everything she wanted because her parents didn’t want to be actual parents. She probably holds resentment for her brother taking away a lot of attention from her due to his disability. But as long as moneys around and she gets what she wants that makes everything better. So she has to act like the more money she spends on her animals, the more she must care. What happens when she’s accumulated over 60+ animals and the money runs out somehow? What happens when she can’t provide for that many of them?
She's always been this way since her highschool years, she's just learned how to somewhat hide what she doesn't want people to see but it always gets out there eventually.
And even with all of the evidence stacked up of her animal neglect and hoarding, faking illnesses, drug abuse, bullying, and mocking of rape and abuse victims, some people still support and defend her because anyone that doesn't like her or what she does is a "hater".
Always been what way? A spoiled brat child that treats animals like toys? Yes.
She used to drag her animals around at school and leave them in her backpack all day. She bought a dog and then abandoned it like 24 hours later because she didn't want to take care of it.
When her parents spent money fixing up their house instead of buying her a MacBook she freaked out and threw a fit.
She also told Chelsea in her texts she's been addicted to coke for a while, at least before she started dating Jonny.
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What a scumbag.
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when you're such a shitty person, you're confused when people give you the benefit of the doubt.
taylor really knows how to pick them
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I mean.. shouldn’t you be obsessed with your pets already? Even before they give you interent attention?
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This is so fucking cringey and staged. Took all of her lizards out for a photo op with her ducking ripped tights and stockings for attention and then threw them back in their inadequate enclosures. She’s so fucking transparent but her stans eat it all up.
She likes bragging in general so of course she wouldn't pass up the opportunity to rub how much money she has in people's faces. And her retarded manchild likes to look down on anyone who isn't rich even though he's leeching off his girlfriends money.>>658704
I think she mentioned she hires her friend
who just had a baby, so in addition to a newborn, she has to look after all Taylor's pets even though she doesn't know shit about them.>>659106
God I'd be so embarrassed if I ever saw my partner talking to people like that. But then again she's just as awful to people so I'm not surprised she doesn't care how he acts.>>659153
Shut up Jonny you don't even take care of him>>659167
Did Taylor not give her manchild his allowance this week?
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Sage for repost, but did anyone else notice that Taylor said “and find my number on a hate forum”
Soooo I guess we’ve just confirmed Taylor reads all this
I actually would have given her some credit if she had said 'I asked the breeder if he could hold onto him for a little longer so he arrived after all my trips and I could be at home with him'… Why do you need a breeder to tell you it's wrong to buy a pet and then fuck off for a week, have you not had enough people tell you this already? My god she's a fucking idiot.
Also, I'm not speculating that her shrimp is dead or anything, but I just find it so bizarre how she can say shit like 'I've wanted one of these for YEARS!!!' and then literally not post anything about it after 2 days. I'd be fascinated by such an amazing creature. I guess it didn't get her as much attention as she hoped.
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The breeders of Twisty saw her amputation video and are decently upset that they weren’t contacted if Taylor truly thought something was wrong when Twisty was adopted
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She also posted the wrong breeder in the video. They spotted their business card in the clips of twisty at the expo. It was their table
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This…isn't true. I witness my snakes drinking regularly. Is she trying to say that snakes don't drink from water dishes often? Saying that is as bad as saying bearded dragons don't need water dishes and they can get all of their water from soaking in the sink.
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What's funny to me is that she genuinely thinks this kind of shit makes her look good. If she worked really hard for that money MAYBE she'd be a bit more humble. It's actually sad because there's other youtubers who make much more than her for much harder work and try to hide it because they don't feel they deserve it. Then here's Taylor who truly believes she works hard enough to earn all that money that she blows and screams about from the rooftops.
She's donating money now to get herself some good karma bc she knows she's a piece of shit lol. Notice the sudden influx of it being public donations. No way in hell is she making private donations, she's always gonna make sure people know.
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She's a walking self-contradiction. I guess by her logic if her snakes are drinking water frequently that means they're not getting enough food, or are injured, trapped, or dehydrated.
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And seeing a grown ass woman say "sippy sip" that many times was cringe as fuck.
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I got this photo from the day taylor and jonny got twisty, and still don't think anything's wrong with the tail here?
But I dont know anything about reptiles or reptile injuries..
You posted it yourself when you just had to prove to the haters
that you took your kitten to the vet YOU DUMBASS. You literally doxed yourself and proved to everyone that Chelsea's texts are real.
With all the money she makes she should really go see a therapist because her pathological lying isn't normal. But then if she gets help she'll have to face her bullshit and work towards becoming a better person and it's just so much easier to keep playing the victim and avoiding accountability. She preaches about good mental health but puts in absolutely no effort into getting help because she wants to keep using her mental illness as an excuse. It's too convenient for her to fix it.>>659968
Yeah, in other words it's her fault and she's blaming the breeder for her negligence again. And I love how the breeder called her out on lying.
She didn't contact the breeder? What is wrong with her? Any reputable breeder worth their salt 100% wants you to contact them about health issues or care, especially if you just got them? They will either offer advice and/or see if they were at fault or take back the animal.
Of course, if it isn't a reputable breeder… WHY is she supporting breeders like this and giving them their business? It just adds to the problem as at the end of the day, they made a sale and they get the money.
She's so dumb it hurts as she can't even purchase animals correctly, which she seems so intent to do over adopting.
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Also, did her first green tree python die? Oh, but right.. that wasn't her fault.
She's an idiot… most reptiles are hardy… they're going to take years to die. How long has she been keeping snakes? Her geckos? Her monitor?
I'll eat my words when they all live full lifespans, but we all know that isn't going to happen.
I'm almost certain she'll end up rehoming the monitor at some point.
She can say it's tame and all right now because it's small, but when (mostly if), it gets to its expected size, that shit's either going to kill one of her cats, or cause real damage to her and/or Jonny.
Reposting this video that was shown in an earlier thread:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmn4GGQaVuc
It's all for attention. If you notice, she's been escalating in the type of animals she gets. Some of those reptiles are cool, but she's not skilled enough to take care of them properly, like the satanic geckos.
She cares more about the buying process and showcasing them for ig likes than the actual commitment they represent. It's all for validation and because she wants to be perceived as an animal expert and tamer who can handle any animal regardless of her level of skill and expertise.
Her train of thought with the monitor is probably "look how cool I look with my tattoos and my lizard on a leash walking down the street. I'm so unique and alternative. Such an Egg uwu".
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I like how polite he is, he really seems to care about reptile care. I just hope he doesn't fall for her manipulative bullshit. She will never change or take his advice.
Oh I don't doubt this is the reason, her stupidity and desperation for attention just seems to override any logical decisions.
She really hasn't sat down and thought about how long these animals live, where she will be in 10+ years and if she has the time, money and resources to continue to care for them.
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If you're concerned about it dying why are you holding it? It should be in a humid container to help it hydrate. She's like those people who take selfies with endangered dolphins out of water until they die.
Lmao is it even possible to be a munchie and have munchie by proxy at the same time??>>660016
I also like how woke and adamant he is on the subject of Jonny. Not giving abusers the time of day is the right decision. They don't deserve any second chances, especially nasty ass Jonny.>>659691
I am also clueless on snakes, but as far as I'm aware basically the only animal that doesn't drink any water would be koalas. Even then, there are exceptions. It's irresponsible of her to suggest that snakes don't need water all that much, just because hers are always dehydrated af. And yet she seems to be under the impression that she'd be able to last a day in the zoological field?? What a stupid, narcissistic liar.
Maybe to Brian since she totally doesnt like him now cause he is so mean to animals and she is such a good pet egg mom uwu
It is really amazing how the pet community is more shady between them than the beauty community lol
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I noticed that Tay claims in her ig that she was going to take Kovu for check ups every couple months to ensure he says healthy. Last February she says he was only 1 year and 9 months. Yet he just died of "old age"??
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Born 2/5/15 but 1 year 9 months years old in February 2017?
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What could she possibly teach us about hedgehogs other than how to kill them?
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"My friend" bitch, who?
It makes me mad too. We don't have snakes in my country, so I won't be able to own one and Tay has access to all these amazing animals, access to the money/time to look after them and she does… well, barely anything to help them thrive.
She buys the most expensive animal and then shoves it into barely adequate enclosures and uses them as props for her insta.
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This would be a decent picture without her gross peeling finger in it.
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Those lights aren't diffuse enough to heat his whole body evenly. This is a burn waiting to happen.
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God, don't encourage her.
Has her new snake even arrived yet?? While shes talking about more
Wonder what ‘hate forum’ they’re claiming said that.
I love how she chooses to acknowledge only the absolutely ridiculous claims but ignores all the genuine concerns people call her out for
why is he encouraging her to get banded skinks oh my god
I adore these guys I put so much research into them, going out of my way to speak to people from their country and translate Chinese breeder's comments on them. they're wonderful but there are NO captive born ones in the US or UK. the only successful breeders so far seem to be in asia. if she gets one it will be 100% wild caught (I do not CARE what lies she makes up to say "it's captive born!!!") and will either die early (they are very prone to stress and refuse to eat until they starve or die because no importer knows their age when bringing them into captivity).
she will encourage young, stupid kids to buy these amazing skinks who do not deserve that attention until there's staple captive bred groups. I'll chew her damn ear off if she gets one and I'm NOT scared to do that on my public social media.
I'm surprised after Jonny said he'd out right assault him.
Jayce and Taylor should date and do "all my pets 5000+" videos together.
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Awesome. I really hope something comes from this.
I would respect Taylor so much if she could ever own up to one of her many lies. But that's highly unlikely to ever happen.
Show no mercy, Joe.
It's actually a pretty simple explanation for why Taylor fucks her face and up with cosmetic treatments.
She has a fear of being alone so she needs to get as much attention as possible in order to always have somebody to interact with.
Combine that with her boyfriend always obsessing over his ex-girlfriends and you have a perfect recipe for insecurity.
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I personally find it a bit suspicious that she purposely picked out the one with the “nubbiest” tail, and then a few months later it becomes an actual nub from the necrosis being left until it had to be amputated way further back than originally needed.
"they just had a few beardie babies"
In the amputation video didn't she say they had hundreds of babies in one container?
And she's claiming here not to know the morph but I could have sworn she's said it was a "super red" or some shit in the past.
Lastly, she wants us to believe that a breeder can't identify the morph of their animals?
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Which is it Taylor? Either the breeder was selling him as a "flame red" or they didn't know the morph. Were there only a few or hundreds of them? God how can her fans not see through her?
She really is a pathological liar.
I feel like she tried to spin the 'I saved an injured bearded dragon' narrative, but for some reason it seemed logical for her to also add even more to the sob story; 'they were all malnourished and 100s stuffed in a tiny box!', but it just makes her look even more irresponsible by buying from and funding a shitty breeder.
Tell me again Taylor how you support adopt don't shop? Because so far I mainly see pet shop buys, ridiculously expensive breeder buys, and many shitty breeder buys, according to your stories?
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Wonder if mama dean is going go to hold Taylor’s hand so that she doesn’t have an anxiety attack and have a case of gluten intolerance/EDS or whatever other illness she can come up with spur of the moment?
I can't get over how badly photo shopped that poster is lol
Should have just commissioned someone to make cute cartoon versions of everyone and an actual… you know, poster instead of this crop and paste mess.
If they can't take proper care of their animals they won't take proper care of a poster, anon.
I can just imagine that whatever animals they decide to bring are going to be stressed as fuck during petfest.
Oh, I know. The poster is just so cheap and tacky, so I imagine that's exactly what PetFest will be like. Great advertising, 10/10.
Ugh, are they bringing animals? That's so bad. No matter how you look at it, bringing your pet somewhere unfamiliar where there's lots of people is a recipe for stress.
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Sorry first time posting so I hope I'm doing this shit right but why does Taylor suddenly have an employee from a reptile store and an aquarium expert caring for her hoard when from everything she's said before it was just her friend who just had a child. Love seeing the lies evolve.
I wish the anons that made the recent Lainey videos would make some of Taylor, too. I can't remember if it was the one of the same anons that made the one that got to the top of the search results for Laineybot, but it'd be hilarious if there was one that got to the top for Taylor.>>660580
This happens every fucking time. I hope this time it isn't a joke. The chimera breeder better hope she does nothing wrong with his snake otherwise he is getting blamed, too.
Because she doesn't have an assistant, unless she means her friend who had a baby a while back lmao
Apparently this "assistant" also cleans her apartment? Given the squalor we see her live in, they clearly aren't doing a very good job.
Yeah her assistant is Betsy.
Apparently Betsy was the one looking after her animals but she's been saying it's actually three people for a while now.
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I agree. She lies about the smallest most insignificant things. EX:>>660777
In this post she says SHE chose Twisty for Jonny and in this Instagram post I've attached she claims Jonny chose him. Which is it Taylor?? Why lie about stuff? Is it that hard to keep up with the truth? Lmao. Also it was posted June 5th. I like how Twisty's tail was purposely unphotographed…
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Don't know if this has ever been posted about so I'm not saging but after a couple minutes of going through Jonny's Instagram I found a video from when they first got Twisty.The video was very sped up. I'm assuming this was done to prevent people from noticing Jonny picking him up by his tail… More evidence to back up that it was Jonny's fault the beardie's tail had to be amputated. Possibly injured it from picking him up by the tail and resulted in necrosis.
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ALSO (this is the clearest point I can pause it that shows as much tail as possible) as you can see his tail looked pretty normal in this video. (posted around when they first got Twisty)
Goddamnit. Every time I think that I can't hate this piece of shit any more than I already do, more evidence of him being a scumbag shows up.
Fucker needs to do the world a favor and just OD already.
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I'm glad to see that this won't go under the radar like the last handful of breeders she's blamed.
I've also got it. Saved it as soon as I seen the bullshit. (same anon from >>660960
I don’t think she’ll be able to if they’re getting their attorneys involved. Taylor will have to remove everything and post a public apology if she doesn’t want to get into legal trouble.
I am looking forward to seeing her stans will react and how they’ll spin it so it’s the breeders fault.
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Found this. Is this safe?
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Is he…actually falling for her bullshit? He also posted on Instagram that she seems nice and that he's been talking to her lately….
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No wonder her hedgehogs die young. She thinks they're toys.
Dunners (twistys type of morph) usually have a darker tail due to the pattern being more compressed in a small area, it gives the illusion that it’s darker
It does look like the tail is in shed which usually does happen because it’s harder for them to get off but chances are it was stuck shed and Taylor never tended to it and killed off the end of the tail
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Here’s a picture posted by the breeder that shows what a dunner tail in half shed looks like, this is from a juvenile dragon so the pattern is bigger so not as dark
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I was really impressed with him when I went through his twitter for Taylor callouts, but this answer is straight out of Tay's playbook. No, there's no such thing as a cage that's "too big" for an animal. There are cages which aren't properly set up with the necessary hiding spaces and coverage for a sense of security, but no cage is ever inherently "too big." The cage they're talking about is the one that she impulse bought. >>660366
And if modified for more substrate she could make a really nice bioactive enclosure for some sort of bug or other really small animal. But he's encouraging her to put a snake or skink in it. Also note he went straight into "the open spaces stress them out!!" when the person above never mentioned the cage having open spaces. If you go back far enough in his twitter you can see that he wanted the attention of big youtubers. I guess now he's got it :/
Well, any respect I had for him is gone. There is NO such thing as "too large". Yes, open spaces can stress some animals out and that's why you decorate the enclosure properly and provide lots of burrows, hideouts and other things to replicate their natural habitat or to provide enrichment.
What a fucking moron.
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Because uber drivers wouldn't have enough for a ball python enclosure??? They're not that
Compulsive liar. She needs therapy.
Going to have to disagree with you guys here.
My experience is with tarantulas, so it may not be relevant to other animals. But Jayce is specifically talking about scorpions here, so I feel that it's applicable.
The general rule of thumb for the height of a terrestrial tarantula's enclosure is 1.5x the leg span of the tarantula. More than that and they are at risk of hurting themselves if they climb too high and fall. Yes, you could fill a giant enclosure with a ton of substrate to get to be within the height restriction, but it's not practical.
Also, you need the animal to be able to locate it's prey. Tarantulas don't move much. So in a large enclosure, it's very easy for a prey item to avoid being eaten. Then the prey item can die without being eaten and cause all sorts of problems.
A common misconception is that the best enclosure is one that is as similar to a wild environment as possible. Animals die a lot in the wild.
Going to add my thoughts. As someone who's kept mantises; as nymphs it's important to keep their enclosure small to help them find food. Too big and they can literally starve to death.
However I do think it's a mistake to suggest as that guy did that these animals would be too stressed in a large enclosure.
They really wouldn't be.
The main challenge comes from getting their food reliably to them (when animals are older/larger they can be fed directly larger prey so this isn't as much of an issue then), keeping the enclosure clean, keeping the enclosure at a good temperature and humidity throughout and finally of course making sure it's safe for them (as with large spiders like tarantulas, making sure they can't injure/kill themselves from a fall).
With insects you have to take into account that their need for mental stimulation in the form of their environment, is fairly low. I make my mantis enclosures large and pretty for when they're adults… I grow live plants and decorate with all sorts of stuff. But that environment is mainly for /me/. So I have something nice to look at in addition to my pet. I imagine other people out there that make large enclosures do so for a similar reason.
So… basically I still think he's wrong; animals wouldn't be stressed out in a larger cage; but a larger cage isn't /necessary/, and it is more work.
I appreciate your perspective but I think you and Jayce (and Taylor) are making the same mistake. You're taking a conversation about the size
of an enclosure and turning it into a conversation about enclosures which are improperly set-up. In the scorpion example it was brought up there was no such thing as an enclosure which is too big for animals (true). He countered with saying that all the open space would stress them out, but that's a derailment because literally no one is suggesting a wide open or improperly
set-up enclosure. In your tarantula example you do the same thing. You're not talking about the size
of an enclosure you're talking about an improperly set-up one. Wanting animals to have the biggest enclosure possible doesn't mean we're advocating putting them in improper
set-ups (a terrestrial tarantula in a enclosure that's too high, an arboreal in a cage that's too low, a fossorial in a cage with no substrate). It can be huge and
address their habitat needs. As for feeding no one is saying drop a bunch of food in a huge enclosure and walk away. Tarantulas can be fed off tongs so you know they're eating. As for your last sentence that's another strawman argument. This conversation is about the size of an enclosure not about subjecting our captive pets to all the risks and vulnerabilities of living in the wild. Having a large enclosure isn't the same as introducing predators into their enclosure or purposely making their cage dangerous or making it hard for them to eat. There's no such thing as an enclosure that's "too big", there are however pet owners who want to justify why their enclosures are so abysmally small on the basis that going bigger will "stress them out" or is "impractical."
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When people lie a lot, they will slip up from time to time and the truth comes out.
idk what you guys expected. this guy doesnt seem overly mentally stable. one of the first tweets when i checked his profile was him wanting to off himself. i can see how he's easily manipulated when taylor starts talking about her supposed anxiety and depression.
and he seemed way too obsessed with taylor anyways.
Mantis anon here.
Honestly the easiest way is to keep a juvenile in a small enclosure and then upgrade to a much larger one once they're eating bigger prey items and you can ensure they get fed. Multiple food left in an enclosure can also be a bad thing, food dying going mouldy / ganging up on your pet.
Specifically with mantises, you're feeding fruit fly, so it'd be a pain to have to tweezer feed each one and is next to impossible at certain sizes.
As in my first post though, when they're adults or large enough to feed decent size prey to; there's no reason why a large enclosure wouldn't work. It would just be more effort to maintain.
You'd have to get something like a room dedicated to one spider/scorpion/mantis before it became dangerous / unable to feed / locate your pet etc.
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For sober people, they spend a lot of time in bars and announcing they are in bars
From reading all of that I would say that technically there is no such thing as an enclosure that's "too big," BUT only for someone who is experienced enough with the specific animal/insect/etc to accommodate and work around the cons of a large enclosure.
Being that this is about Taylor, I would then have to agree that there is such thing as a too big enclosure, since we all know she won't accommodate adequately for whatever she chooses to put in the enclosure. She won't have multiple feeding spots, or super deep substrate, or a ton of foliage to hide in, etc. She'll have the bare minimum.
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We’ll try again!
Looks like Tay Tay made it to Ohio and is having a party good time with her clinger ons…sorry to say she looks a mess!
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Here’s a much better one! Best I’ve seen her face look in a long time! And who on earth wears a touque in the summer! It’s not cold enough for those yet (thank god!)!!!
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Why is Taylor looking at the alcohol menu if she's sober? (Taken from Emma's insta)
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Ughh. Now it's 100% confirmed deleted or not. I can't believe he got caught in her web of bullshit, you'd think he'd step away from the thought of becoming friends with this fried and lying druggie-supporting chick
He's mentioned that he tries to watch himself because of the dopamine hits. He said he didn't want to become like Taylor or Brian where they stress their animals and do dumb shit for attention and fame and subs.
So much for that. Jayce is cancelled. He's on the path at least
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Taylor has said before that she needs fast food workers to change gloves and Jonny can't drink beer with gluten then kiss her because she's so sensitive… but Chipotle actively warns against those with gluten-allergies eating their chips
I used to have so much respect for Jayce. There's a difference between saying that she needs advice and giving her advice and trying to help her, and pretty much enabling the exact thing he used to judge her for. And encouraging more animals when he says she needs to work on her care.
He most definitely is cancelled.
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This family is so cringe.
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She's been posting a bunch of old photos.
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Her tweets are a fucking disaster.
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Who is the chick beside Tyler? Kinda looks like a younger, normal Taylor. Notice Taylor is doing “the Jonny” and sticking out her tongue? Have some class!
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Sad part is that she did go get all her dead hair chopped off a couple weeks ago. Then she continued to fuck with it, and it’s pretty much fried to the scalp at this point.
Ironically, the more she tries to make it look decent (dying/curling/extensions), the worst it’ll end up looking in the long run.