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21 year old "family friendly pet mom" Youtuber, her 32 year old junkie boyfriend Jonny Craig, and her creepy controlling mother.
Previous thread: >>>/snow/679386
The basics:> Taylor is a notorious animal hoarder known for collecting 40+ rare and exotic pets and manhandling/mistreating them for the sake of her Youtube channel which has over 1 million subscribers. Several pets have died in her care, many more have fallen ill due to her neglect or disappeared after "rehoming" them. Fails to give proper enclosures for many of her pets, including overstuffing fish tanks, keeping her kittens locked in the bathroom, and her mouse and hedgehog in the closet.> Jonny Craig is the frontman of the band Slaves and is most well-known for being an outspoken abusive junkie. He has been in and out of rehab centers for a decade now and has been kicked out of multiple bands and off of tours for his behavior. He is usually homeless when he does not have a girlfriend to leech off of.> Several of Jonny's ex-girlfriends have come out with stories of Jonny's physical and sexual abuse, including rape at knife-point. His ex Chelsea confided this in Taylor when she and Jonny first started dating, in which Taylor's response was to laugh with Jonny and make a public spectacle of it.> Taylor loves to throw pity parties for herself and dodge around the real issues when faced with criticism about her husbandry, hoarding, and hypocrisy. She can never keep her stories straight and will tell outright lies only to contradict them hours later. Her fans are sycophants who only encourage her.
Facebook (private:) https://www.facebook.com/Taylor.Nicole.Dean
List of all Taylor's pets:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QNUksDcQk_cqLTkTFTiPjP2pCGBQgORyCesIIqvZ2Zs/edit?pli=1
> Uses her plethora of illness to excuse not posting, yet she’s somehow able to care for 30+ animals everyday, stating that when she is too unwell to tend to her animals she pays "people" ~$600 to take care of them for her, as if that's somehow better > Finally got the cheese tattoo, looks terrible (not surprising)> Got the new monitor cage, lies about its size repeatedly, still too small for the monitor and provided next to no substrate, hides, inadequate lighting, and climbing area for the monitor.> Kovu died at 3 ½, Taylor claims it was a result of bad breeding and she expected him to die way earlier. He likely died of heat exhaustion in the wake of the heat wave that struck Texas when he was living in a tank, after months of neglect in a closet> Jonny went on tour in Brazil, was drinking the whole time, holding open alcohol> Decided to put all of her snakes into breeder racks> Still hasn't bothered getting a proper set up for the mantis shrimp> Posted a link to a podcast not realizing that it didn’t paint her in a positive light (link to the podcast and summary of the podcast with time stamps is in #15 thread)> Lying constantly about the sizes of her enclosures, sometimes within minutes of each other> Finally got a slightly bigger enclosure for the monitor (though not the size he needs) that she hasn't bothered to actually fill in properly, nor set up the lights for it properly> Pacman frog is very unhealthy, legs splayed out, eyes blown out, bones and muscle deteriorating> After months of neglecting to treat her bearded dragon for what started with a small tail injury and possibly losing just the tip of its tail, the tail became necrotic and about half of the tail had to be amputated.> Actually showed up to Petfest, but in a sports bra, tank pants, and a lace cardigan> Still claiming that she isn't impulse buying her animals, and totes supports "adopt don't shop", despite buying a $7500 chimera ball python and buying another snake at Petfest> Misidentifies the species of the snake that she just bought on twitter, despite claiming that it's one she's totes wanted forever> Maui might be a female, she has apparently never bothered checking or getting him a general check up at a vet> Stated that she'll "consult" an expert on how to sex him but didn't say she'd actually get him sexed BY an expert> Orchid mantis is a male as was speculated on a previous thread> Claiming that she is "quarantining" the two new snakes, but the chimera has been out all over the apartment for pictures (the "quarantine" tank is a tank in front of their loud ass tv where they were caught smoking pot around the satanics)> Claims she is also quarantining the other new snake "Duck" in the bathroom, despite showing pictures of their bathroom with no tank in sight and no photos of wherever it actually is. > Photos of the new un-quarantined snakes all over their comforter where other reptiles and cats hang all over> Jonny posted her nudes on ig and made comments about "slamming" her in bed
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She's such a shitty, hypocritical bitch. It's okay for her junkie rapist bf to skate by in life hurting people with no consequences or accountability and then use the excuse of "addiction is a disease." It's okay for her lying, victim blaming, lazy, hoarding ass to skate by in life with no consequences for the animals and people she hurts and then use her "chronic illnesses" as excuses. But god forbid people with mental illness talk about being victims. This is so clearly aimed at the exes. It's just gross. Every mistake she makes is someone else's fault or because of her health problems. She is the epitome of "skating through life making themselves look like a victim."
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from Emma's twitter.
Yeah, she's a cunt. Like how she compared addiction to DEMENTIA of all things.
You can recover from addiction. You can't recover from dementia. She's a shitty excuse for a human being who will use whatever reason she can find to justify herself and her crappy life choices.
So of course she's going to slam people with mental illness for "skating through life" and "using it as a crutch" even though this is EXACTLY what she does.
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Right on fucking cue. It's pathetic how predictable she is.
This is also an awful lot of tweeting (fully coherent with no typos) for someone who was just diagnosed with a double ear infection and the flu. Who does she think she's fooling?
Your point is valid, but my problem with what she is doing is this: she's purposely conflating separate things in order to manipulate her stans (especially those that don't follow her across platforms) and make herself into a victim when she isn't one. Some people criticize her animal husbandry which is warranted, some go after her looks (some more viciously than others). But people are not
suggesting that her poor choices in clothes, tattoo artists, hair styling, and lip injections affect her animal care which is what she's claiming.
Her fans have been asking questions about the nudes on two of her instagram posts all day. We've been posting about them most of the day. Her sudden need for "sex positivity" is in direct response to that; it's damage control and manipulative. And pathetically predictable.
She's missing the point though. It's not that she's sex positive, or a "sex positive female", like she calls herself. It's not even the fact underage kids will see that shit and masturbate to it as if they couldn't just go on PornHub.
It's the fact that someone who supposedly loves you is showing intimate pictures of you with no regard for how they can be used in the future and probably without your consent. Pictures like that are sent to someone because you trust them enough -not- to do exactly what he's done.
And look at his wording, too. He's not even referring to her as a person. He's showing her off as an object. "Enjoy my amazing gf's body" is just… really creepy. It's dehumanizing, but she has such shit self-esteem she probably feels like she's on cloud 9 because he's showing her off. It would've been an entirely different tune if she was the one who uploaded the picture on her own.
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Oh fuck off and learn how to sage.
It's trashy af.
Taylor's 'I told him to' reads like BS covering Jonny's disgusting ass. His objectification of her was gross too…
Making a prediction now: when her and Jonny go south, she'll point to this as one of the things he 'forced' her to do, and talk about how she had to cover for him.
"You say her fans have been asking “all day”, but I saw only two comments ask with less than 10 likes on them."
Maybe learn to read? Because I clearly said they were commenting on her instagram
posts (of egg and salem), and I've posted more than two comments from those posts, none of which were positive. And you're making the same strawman argument as her…no one is claiming her trashy body affects her animal care. Like I said, "it's damage control and manipulative. And pathetically predictable.">>679565
I agree 100%. It's creepy as fuck.
Stop samefagging everywhere. You can fuck off because you came here to stan and nothing else.
This is a gossip board… that means folks get to talk about everything Taylor… including how trashy she is. With the delay between her response and the instagram images I think it's 100% likely she didn't know until after and then Jonnyboy persuaded or otherwise manipulated her into leaving them up on his insta.
She's not going to fucking report them because she's in too deep with Jonny. kek. That's the point.
"Response to Taylor Nicole Dean's Hedgehogs Hate Swimming Video."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjWj-Qg7Uz0
Taylor's stans have been brigading videos of people who actually KNOW what they're doing based on hedgehog "facts" she's given.
Bad enough that her pet care is below par, but she actively misinforms her viewers which leads them to harass people who responsibly care for their animals.
Sorry I wasn't glued to ig and didn't see the comment she made less than an hour ago. I'll make sure to keep refreshing her comments every 5 minutes just so I don't let you down uwu~~~
Anyway, back to the point so you get it. She can be sexual, show cleavage and wear nothing but a thong if she so desires, that's not the problem. I don't give a shit about "think of the children" because they can find sexually explicit content anywhere else.
The point is that when you send someone a nude or an intimate picture, there's an agreement that you don't post that shit. She said she gave it her ok just now? Awesome. That still doesn't negate the way he's showing her off is not as a person but as an object and it's creepy as shit.
And finally, stop bitching about what people should and shouldn't talk about in a thread about anything related to her. This happened at least 4 times before with her bra size. I personally don't give a shit and find it annoying when people talk about it but guess what bitch I scroll down, you should do the same and post what YOU wanna talk about instead of bitching and moaning about how no one is doing what you want to do.
You're a newfag who didn't know how to sage. You're here to stan…
Things we know about Jonny: 1. He's a serial abuser 2. He's a rapist 3. He's manipulative.
Him posting her nudes is a bright red flag. Her only commenting later and saying it was because she wanted to show off her body is another red flag.
She has a pool outside, she could have easily taken some nice pictures in a bikini if she wanted to show off her figure; not some grainyass picture of her topless with her nipples out kek.
Maybe you've never been in or seen an abuser… I don't feel sorry for Taylor any more… but this all screams manipulation.
Good, fuck off as I suggested earlier. No one needs or wants your goodbye notes.
I love the stans in the comments of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjz0A_HsbYU
All of them are just reciting what Taylor said without any research on their own. Sad.
"Actually, a hedgehog swimming is dangerous, and is probably borderline abuse. If water gets in their ears it can cause a very serious infection. Hedgehogs generally don't like swimming, and most of the time think they're swimming because if they don't, they'll drown.
Basically, it's terrifying for them. And can cause future problems."
"(According to research) THIS IS NOT CUTE!!! THE. HEDGEHOGS. HATE. SWIMMING. THEY'RE DROWNING!!!!! AND FUN FACT IF THE WATER GETS IN THEIR EARS, IT WILL MOST LIKELY LEAD TO A SEVERE EAR INFECTION! ♡ bare with me :/ im just trying to spread a message to NOT have your hedgehogs in water. (unless your bathing them, and in that case the water should be very shallow) ♡ Thank you so much and please spread this message. ♡♡♡ - Sophie"
"Watch Taylor Nicole Dean"
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>I could be a nudist and still take care of my animals
If by take care of you mean just keep alive then okay, but how is that relevant to her claiming to be a family friendly youtuber? Wtf it's like she just danced around that part on purpose
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gross. also, “i did it, not you”. ok?
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Someone call peta, Mother Nature is being cruel to this poor hedgehog.
(No idea if the fact it’s a European hedgehog would make any difference)
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I wonder how disgusted Matt Dean would feel about this?
Also makes me wonder if Tay and Jonny are into the whole creepy DDLG kink. At the very least I’m positive there’s some icky baby talk going on.
It’s way past the point of me feeling sorry for Taylor, she’s cemented herself to Jonny and his trashiness like glue. She uses him as a shield for the behaviors she wants to exhibit herself but can’t bc of her fandom.
What Taylor doesn’t seem to get is she would have had way way more success in life being Bindi instead of Kylie. There’s a million Kylie wanna-bes in the world and none of them will hit Kylie’s status bc Kylie simply lucked out by having a big sis that was famous ultimately due to a sex tape.
While Bindi had a leg up bc of her famous dad, she chooses to do respectable admirable things with animals and conservation.
Taylor chose sex appeal over respect which is just disappointing to me bc if she took herself and her “career” seriously she could have made some cool connections and a real career with longevity working with animals.
Technically I guess you could go to the ER for an ear infection, but usually that's the kind of thing you just go to a regular doctor for, or maybe an urgent care clinic if you don't have a regular doctor or need one after hours. It is usual to have discharge instructions that include info like that from an ear infection, though.
I'm just speculating, but I really feel like she went to the emergency room for something else, found out she also had an ear infection, and told everyone that was why. Maybe she ODed on something?
Does she think this makes her look good? It literally proves she was lying about having a double ear infection and the flu. >>679763
There is something seriously lacking in her care of Sabor if she gets bit literally every time she interacts with him.>>679684
I'm the opposite of jealous. They are vile. Also…"it's all mine" instead of "you're all mine." Gross.
>>679567>I showed him that photo cause I liked my body
It totally wasn't
in a sexual context! If you don't give a fuck then why lie? What a compulsive liar. She wonders why nobody ever believes anything she says. The girl that cried wolf.>>679611
Instead, how about you teach your young audience that they don't need
to show their body to get attention? You know, Taylor, like how you gained your following in the first place??>>679684
It seriously doesn't seem like he asked her before posting it. Keep on being gross, Jonny. You'll never change.
I don’t think he did actually get her consent because if he did she would’ve posted that instead of them “laughing” about it. I am pretty sure he has a past of posting pictures of his exes like that without their consent too(from what I read in threads about him), I think he posted trying to rub in everyone’s faces that he’s fucking her when in reality no one wants to fuck Taylor Nicole Dean.
Also, Think she posted that text in general trying to be the cute suducting female that calls her man daddy when in reality she sounded weird af and clearly doesn’t know how to really use it. Wondering if that’s his kink and she is using it to please him and isn’t even into it like that
I disagree, she obviously cares about how people see her and I doubt she actually gave him consent to post the picture. She's just backing him up because that's what she's used to do by now. I doubt it went unnoticed. >>679904>nobody wants to fuck Taylor Nicole Dean
What? Don't be delusional, anon, a lot of people would kill to have a body like hers. The one that's actually repulsive here is Jonny.
Honestly, her being with Jonny makes even less sense now that I've seen those pictures.
Taylor, seriously, WTF? I know you are stubborn but you can do so much better. Absolutely no one deserves to be with someone that treats them like that.
Eh, one could argue it's all about angles. We've seen her in candids and she doesn't have pronounced hips or an ass, and she actually has kind of a beer gut. Lying on your back and bending your legs might give off the illusion that you have a flat stomach and an ass/hips. It's pretty much standard nude angle.
However, I do agree with the rest of what's been said. He's showing her off as his property or as an object. And honestly I don't buy the idea that she gave her consent. She probably got convinced and is obviously freaked out because it didn't go as planned. If you want to show your body weight loss progress, you post a picture that actually shows it. That picture was not taken to show that; it was a nude. And the way he refers to her isn't to motivate her, but for others to "enjoy her body". I mean honestly if you want to be an Insta Baddie just own it. Don't go around giving your half assed sob stories about how you're allowed to be sexy.
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Is it just me, or does it look like she put foundation in her nostrils in this newest video? Maybe covering up some rawness?
I think it's probably more likely that she probably makes too much income to qualify for health insurance and for whatever reason was booted from or doesn't use her parent's insurance. Urgent care is really her only option if she wants to be seen by somebody and just pay out the pocket costs for the privilege.
She's probably too dumb and useless to go through the trouble of shopping for an insurance rate and paying the premium rates which is surprising considering for someone with "severe" health issues, it'd make more sense for her financially to just get herself insured and have her medical expenses covered that way…but I am assuming she doesn't maybe because she can't afford that with her lavish lifestyle? Maybe she thinks it's cheaper in the long run to just play with fire and hope she doesn't get seriously ill enough for hospitalization.
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>makes too much income to qualify for health insurance
That's not a thing.
She should be seeing a PCP regularly to manage her chronic illnesses if they are stabilised and specialists if they are not.
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Keking at this part
Much animal expert
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I knew her hair was in rough shape but I didn't know it was this bad. No wonder she kept the top of her head out of the frame in most of the video.
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Her toothpaste tube cap is still off, kek
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God, every excuse of hers is just deflecting and misdirection. She's not wrong that critiques about her appearance are kind of unwarranted, but this is the internet kek. Maybe if she had an ounce of self esteem it wouldn't be such an issue for her. That, and if she wasn't too egotistical and dense to take constructive criticism about her pathetic excuse for animal husbandry. She's not special for being bothered by random trolls like literally every other Youtuber, and she certainly doesn't deserve to be praised for animal hoarding just because she chooses to play the victim about it. Isn't she a little old to always be pouting and never learning from her mistakes like this? She must be even more self-absorbed than we thought if she really sees herself as completely innocent in this false narrative she's spun for herself.
Either way, her tweet is fucking hypocritical because she actually is hurting herself and others. She bullied abuse victims and now calls their serial, violent rapist "daddy". Neglecting her pets due to her own ignorance and pride also comes to mind. So she's lying straight through her teeth as usual. Lol and at first I thought she was talking about her drug addiction when I read "if I inject", which definitely is the type of self destruction she's not open to getting called out on like she claims.
The whole argument about how it doesn't matter how she spends her free time is total bullshit too. I can't believe she's so dumb she didn't even realize that hypothetically being too high, lazy, or busy traveling to take care of her pets is relevant. Ofc her ability to look after her animals is impacted by things we critique, like her unstable personal life and abusive boyfriend. When will she get off her high horse, and get it through her thick skull that she is absolutely clueless when it comes to proper animal care?
Being an arrogant airhead and attention whore is just the absolute worst combination.
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Not to mention that what she does outside of her YouTube channel DOES matter, even if she wants to pretend it doesn't.
You can't just apply different personas depending on the platform you're in. Your social media outside of youtube become an extension for you to expand your channel. But it's almost as if it was never about the animals and all about herself. And like, not even when she's criticized about her animal care does she ever listen anyway. She always goes on these rants when it's very obvious it fucking gets to her. But as usual, she misses the point of the criticism that's going her way to make it look like she's the victim when she's just stupid.
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Ha, the manipulation and fighting begins.
It's Taylor's mom vs her boyfriend again.
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Clints Reptiles commented on Taylors new video saying the snake might not even be a chimera, and might just be a somatic mutation. Clint is actually good with his reptiles. He does his research, his care is 100 times better than Taylors and he actually has correct knowledge of what he's talking about. So the thing might not even be as "rare" as she's claiming it is. It is obviously a one of a kind snake but she massively overpaid for him if that is the case, and before she keeps spreading misinformation she might want to get him genetically tested.
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Sure Jane, they all just see you almost getting a nip slip in your last video.
You all deserved to be flagged, channels who actually help animals in need lose their ad revenue along time ago so yeah cry bitches. You don't deserve be paid to be a bunch of hoarders
I agree, Clint is awesome. He's such a great addition to the reptile community and i really hope Taylors mindless stans don't start attacking him coming out with shit like "she knows what she's talking about stop hating!!1!!11!!".
I can't see Taylor actually doing genetic testing on the snake though because she doesn't want to be proven wrong about the chimerism and doesn't want to make herself look like a fool for spending $7.5k on a snake that isn't what she claims, and actually has just a pretty simple somatic mutation.
"I told him to post it" LOL sure Jan. If you had any sense of caring about your brand/business, you would have common sense to know that is a highly inappropriate picture to post. I'm all for feeling good about yourself and looking sexy, but that's just not the kind of image you share with the world. On the internet, once it's posted, it's there forever. She actually says she took it to track that she's in shape?? Uhhh if you wanted to do that you could just post a picture of yourself in a sports bra and shorts? Not a thong and tits out? lmao Jonny 100% posted it without asking and she once again is just covering up for him. I agree with anons that when they split up, she will use this as a poor me moment that she was manipulated. Incoming "storytime: my abusive ex released my nudes????" in the future when they inevitably break up.>>679757>>680167
Psssst Tay… it's not natural if you have to fry it, put loads of chemicals into it and curl it lol. Yuck her hair looks so disgusting, she's got more balding spots than I thought… idk why she didn't just let it go natural for a good year or 2. Don't know why she doesn't just begin letting it heal now instead of planning on dying it blue and frying it all over again before finally going natural.
Also kek her lips still looking horrid as usual
Wow… for once I agree with something Jen said. Jonny makes everything about him, it's part of his abusive cycle. Hence why he calls Taylor "it" when saying "it's all mine". He posted the picture without her consent because he wants to parade her like she's his trophy. I really think he gets off on the idea that people are jealous of his life, when literally NO ONE is. He "owns" Taylor, honestly it must be shitty to not be able to be your own person, and live your life just to please your deadbeat partner… but that's Taylor's choice.>>679684
Yep everyone's jealous of you "daddy" omggg he's so gross I can't. He seriously thrives off wanting people to be jealous of him, I almost
feel bad because of how pathetic their relationship dynamic is.>>680473>>680474
I'm sure Jonny's already going hard with the manipulation and fighting for sure, probably trying to turn Taylor against her mom and convincing her she is "slut shaming" her. That's definitely how abusers isolate their victims from their families. I feel like the only reason Taylor ever sees her mom as is is because it looks good for social media.
From what I recall things regarding snakes auto get flagged because of feeding videos. It has nothing to do with hate groups.
YouTube has it's own issues regarding censorship. Just like anything about pregnancy for some reason gets demonetized.
Snaketemper isn't going to bring in Taylor a lot of money because it's about snakes. That's an entire month of demonetized videos.
I know a fair amount about ball python genetics and you're pretty much correct. You can see that the wild type patterning is still partly there on the lighter side of the snake, and the pattern has been partly "turned off" on that side so it's missing the brown pigment and patterning in some areas. The split down the middle is common with somatic mutations, not just in this snake but also in other animals like horses, dogs, etc..
I had originally thought it might be somatic mutation just from the looks of it, but was unsure. So after Clint mentioned it i'm almost certain that the snake is somatic, not chimeric. And i'm aware that Clint said he's not certain whether it's a breedable mutation, but if it's anything like somatic mutations in horses then it's not breedable.
Slow down guys, she's probably lurking here and you're probably losing her with this actual biology talk. You're gonna have to dumb it down a little.>>680668
I believe you Chelsea, he used to be better looking and his music and voice was a lot more appealing back in the day. He is literally falling apart now, plus all of the allegations against him. The real question is why would Taylor go after him. There are other band guys to choose from.>>680723
This. Youtube can't please everybody
, it's a safer decision for them to just age restrict it. Youtube is not an adult site to begin with, so their age restrictions are going to be a lot more strict. If their underage fans really wanted to learn about animals, watch a goddamn documentary, read a book, go the zoo, or watch animal planet.
Oh she definitely is going insane over this.
She waited hours to finally address the issue after people pressed her about it. You can tell she didn't like this because she conveniently kept tweeting about how she's allowed to have a body and feel sexy.
Whenever something happens that affects her she goes on rants where she makes it look like she's being motivational to others but it's actually more of a self-reassurance thing. If she truly felt the way she did, she would've explicitly stated "My boyfriend posted a nude of mine with my permission and there's nothing wrong with that", or she would've posted it herself. Instead, on top of tweeting like crazy about it without really addressing it because she knows he fucked up, she gave a long ass essay on ig about how it was about her feeling bad about her body and here comes her knight in shining armor to make her feel better about it by showing a very obvious nude to thousands of strangers on the internet and making her look like a possession, because Daddy knows best lmao.
By they I mean the creators getting flagged.
There's no big conspiracy about vegans or haters. It's just YouTubes new policies. They don't always make sense. Even cat videos get demonetized.
You're not "educational" channels. You're entertainment channels with a focus on pets.
Animals eating food isn't some amazing educational video lol>>680855
This is incredibly ironic, as usual she wants it both ways. She needs her fanbase of children because they give her views, but she also wants to be the instathot with a "daddy" lmao
Specially since most of them always include a "they usually have to eat this or this, but today I'm giving them this cause I forgot to buy more food"
I hate how they keep praising Taylor, if her fanbase had more brain cells they would realize she just vomit the first website she found. She never did or will do a research on any animal, ever.
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>>680902>Specially since most of them always include a "they usually have to eat this or this, but today I'm giving them this cause I forgot to buy more food"
Every.Single.Time. It's pathetic.
its not really pat of heir natural behaviour, kinda like putting a guinea pig or hamster in water, it will swim but why would you? generally they get stressed out on slippery surfaces (thats why we recommend a towel in the sink if bathing is necessary). best case scenario the animal doesnt get stressed.
A curled up hedgie is signaling it wants to be left alone and it feels threatened, putting it in water on its back like seen in some vids linked here is cruel to put it mildly. i dont get why people put curled up hedgies on thei backs at all, this makes them feel more threatened.
as for the european hedgie swimming this is most likely because it got stuck in a flood. ive been around wild hedgies the last 25 years and ive never seen one swim if it wasnt absolutely necessary. BUT im not a biologist, work in the animal field though.
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the fact he can never talk about his life without it being in a bragging tone speaks volumes on his lack of genuine self confidence
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The real reason flew home from break was to borrow Taylor's credit card.
We can prepare for the death toll to rise during this move. I'd imagine that some of the pets she has are relatively fragile especially with the health conditions that they have after living in her care.>>681198
maybe she's being asked to move out by the building manager due to breeding roaches in her apartment. lol
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Does this mean another new animal?
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Oh nononono. Not rats, please!
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Then buy online. It's really not hard, unless you're lazy.
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She's really laying the groundwork for excuses when she neglects it to death.
As much as I hate live feeding, this rat would be better off if she just fed it to one of her snakes. Her saying that she will get it a friend once it's older and knows if it will live is cruel. Baby rats need to be around other baby rats as it's crucial for their social development, and having this rat alone for any period of time is cruel. Return it and get what you actually ordered, but please do not keep the poor thing.
Rat's need more than to just be shoved in a mediocre cage in your wardrobe, they need to be let out of the cage for free roaming time for AT LEAST an hour every day, how will she do that on top of all her other animals and with her cats? >>681694
it's true that it probably will die young, if it doesn't die from megacolon at a young age, being a feeder and being bred for food and not for other things like longevity, temperament and health, it's going to have terrible genetics and probably die a lot younger than a rat from a good breeder. It's not that there was a 'reason' that it was sold as a feeder, all feeders are sold with bad genetics and health thats just the way it is so I don't know where shes going with this. She's only going to encourage all her young stupid fans to go out and 'rescue' all these rats from feeder bins which only gives money to the industry, and they're going to have unhealthy rats that they just shove in a shit cage.
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If that rat dies, it will be 100% her fault.
Megacolon is obvious and progressive. That rat is too young to be taken from it's mother, doesn't look like it even carries high white, and will most likely die because it isn't with it's mother and she's not mature enough to find someone who is capable of fostering it.
It will be exactly like the kitten.
At that age, separated from their mother it's really risky. I don't have high hopes…
By keeping it she's being cruel.
By implying there's something wrong with it, she's trying to absolve herself of guilt… but the truth is most feeders can be sickly later in life but do just fine for most of their lives, particularly when they're young. There's also no clear signs of high white in the rat.
Honestly, I'm disgusted with her… I didn't think she could sink much lower.
Gus' old cage is so unsuitable it would be a joke.
Kovu's isn't big enough even ignoring bar spacing issues.
A glass tank is animal abuse. No rat should be kept in a glass tank.
Is she going to go out and buy a critter nation? All the fleece and hammocks and toys to go with it? Because that's what she needs to do if she's serious about keeping rats. Let alone the time she now needs to set aside every single day 1-2 hours at a /minimum/.
Why are we all talking about how she should rehome a rat she bought as a feeder? She should feed it to her snake and move on. >>681713
this anon makes a good point that she's encouraging her young and easily influenced fans to go buy badly breed animals to "rescue" them.
Because people shouldn't be feeding live animals that are intelligent enough to show compassion and empathy. It's illegal to feed them live in many countries where more humane animal laws are in place.
She's decided it's going to be a pet… fine… then it needs to go to a rescue so it doesn't suffer a slow and painful death from starvation and neglect.
This is a separate issue from her encouraging others to buy 'feeders' as pets. Which, as it supports the industry, is equally frustrating.
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The beginning groundwork for why she's probably not going to quarantine the new rat, even though every.new.pet needs to be quarantined. Especially since it's a feeder, not breed for longevity or health.
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Someone struck a nerve!
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By her own logic, if she feels shitty and that means her editing/work would be shitty then that means if she feels shitty her animal care would also be shitty. But what is logic?
Yeah I had to delete it after I got dozens of people telling me to kill myself or some variation of sassy teen lingo within seconds. Wasn’t worth the headache to leave up.
Really nice fan base you have there Taylor.
Honestly the whole thing has me livid. Rats are so intelligent that they posses cognitive thoughts. The idea of that poor baby sitting in a closet alone with no company or love breaks my heart.
Rodents are amazing pets to keep and so full of love, my eldest mouse lived to be almost 4.
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she has an addictive personality, drugs, animals tattoos, she can't stop.
I bet she hasn't even stopped to think about what type of cage shes going to get when they're big enough to go in a proper cage, where shes going to squeeze it into her apartment and what she's going to fill it with.
Right now shes just winging it and her stupid fans are eating it up, i bet that baby is just shoved in a bin cage or the box it came with, cold, hungry and alone while she tries to save her ass on social media…
I'm calling it now, shes going to house it in something small and 'temporary' and probably the size of her hedgehogs enclosures while they're young and promise that she will get a better cage for them as soon as they move into this mansion they're supposedly buying, and then her fans will forget she even has them in a couple of months just like they did with the hedgehogs
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What a bitch. Literally no one has ever said chronically ill people can't have or take care of pets. But she's not taking any steps whatsoever to actually manage her "EDS" and she's admitted to forgetting her meds for up to three days at a time. She can't take care of herself, there is no way she can take care of all her animals without taking shortcuts, especially with important things like proper quarantine.
I love how she deleted these tweets, too. >>681869 >>681864
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Uh huh. Sure. So she has an assistant 3x a week to help take care of her, in addition to the people that come multiple times a week for the animals that she pays hundreds of dollars. Yup.
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I love how the standard of care she sets for herself is Better Than Death (tm). Her pets are so lucky.
So let me get this straight, from the things she's said:
She has three different people coming in three times a week to help her with various tasks. iirc one works at an aquarium and the other is a reptile "expert", plus her assistant. This would mean her assistant takes care of cleaning the house (which is always filthy) and probably the rodents.
This would mean that Taylor doesn't do shit and would explain why her reptiles are always biting her.
And this just contradicts her more. Either she can do all of this despite her illnesses, or she has 3 people coming to her place 3 times a week to help her because she fucking can't do shit. It cannot be both.
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Where is all of this magical space she has to quarantine 3 impulse bought rats when she has to "quarantine" Duck in the bathroom of all places?
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She's says that like she has a reasonable amount of pets. She has way more than even the healthiest person could possible care for.
This rat thing makes me so fucking angry. She's so self absorbed and obsessed with being a "savior" and a "pet mom" that she's willing to essentially torture something just to make her look good. I'm sure she'll use "the cage is custom and on the way soon uwu" excuse for months with this rat. And i'm sure instead of getting the companions from an actual rescue, which there are so many in shelters(but I highly doubt any would adopt out to this hoarder) she'll just buy more feeders.
sorry for rage post but god this annoys me on a new level.
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How can she say with a straight face to impressionable fans that this rat, which has never been to the vet or had any testing, can't be contagious? Even if the rat is healthy she's showing a complete disregard for her established pets health.
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She is so fucking painfully dense. Quarantine isn't just to protect the health of the new rats, it's to protect the hoard of animals she already has. JFC. Who am I kidding, how can I expect her to comprehend cross contamination and pathogens when she can't even cap her toothpaste?
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I was looking through the threads and this caught my attention. Taylor is a heartless cunt, if she were on the receiving end we wouldn’t hear the end of it. I swear she lacks any empathy whatsoever.
It's not just dangerous for the rats but also the cats. My girls have tried to bite my dogs nose if she comes too close to the bars.
Now she's saying that she wants to get the other 2 rats from the same litter as Goose is, if I am reading this correctly. So she will have 3 three week old baby rats that have shit genetics because they're all feeders.
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Yet she also had one of her female hedgehogs and still has her two crested geckos in the closet.
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She was never right to model and the bunch of stupid ass tattoos she has fucked her up, unless she becomes an alt girl. Youtube is getting harder to profit from, and her core audience is eventually going to grow out of her content. It's happening to Grav3yardgirl and she's a considerably bigger channel than Taylor.
Plus, there's always going to be someone younger and better that people will follow. Just look at Antonio Garza. He's like 17 or something and amassed 1 million followers in like 3-4 months. Right now all of these people are basking in the glory because Pettube is a relatively new concept, but wait until someone way more personable comes along.
so shes planning on weaning them all herself? because that worked so well with the kitten lmao
Also can someone please ask her if she and Jonny intend to carry on smoking weed around the rats in the living room and giving them a URI? also how does she intend to ensure the cats won't bother the rats through the bars
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What is with her always having animals in her bed? And I'm sure the baby rat loves smelling the predators that have been crawling all over those blankets.
That poor rat, just ugh. Today was peak Taylor for me. She’s as sick as any trash hoarder out there. She’s always right, always has an excuse, always has room for more animals that, logistically, she cannot. possibly. care. for.
There’s no way that this move will go smoothly, that she won’t lose some animals due to the stress of it, that she can stop impulse buying animals for four weeks, let alone months and months, that she’ll escape Jonny unscathed.
It’s mean, but I can’t wait for her to end up alone in a giant McMansion she can’t afford. I’d rather see her animals rehomed but the sad fact is that most of them will die. What a trash fire her life is, can she even try to get it together.
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Cause that's totally safe
"I'm gonna keep pictures of her to myself"posts a picture
Also, y'all are missing the point of the nudes. I fully believe Jonny has posted Chelsea & his other exes' nudes without permission, but I also believe in this instance, Taylor approved/told him to post it. It's absolutely in her attention whore, instathot nature to want that out there and have people viewing and commenting on it. Does it correlate with her animal care sucking? No, I don't think anyone is arguing that like she's saying they are. It IS trashy af though. Normal couples, especially ones with a large following of children, keep that shit to themselves.
1. I can’t believe all these wannabe Taylor’s like Emma, Tyler, pickles, all actually support this bitch. Don’t call her out for her BS like ‘why the fuck are you getting MORE pets’
2. When she was talking about egg (the mantid, right?) she said he doesn’t have long and she’s looking into getting more, once he dies. Sure he’s an invert but it shows how cold she is, and how these are just objects. All it is is a new obsession of hers. Animals, tattoos, hair changes, stupid clothes - in surprised she hasn’t started piercing her face.
She may call people on this forum sad, but I would not trade my life with hers, she’s a complete mess.
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The future of Taylor
If she doesn't get a Critter Nation, then she's straight up fucking garbage.
I live on the other side of the world and had to import one because they don't sell them here. If I can do it, then Taylor has ZERO excuse.
I'm already fucking livid that she's keeping this rat. The poor thing is going to die a slow death because of it's genes, and it was meant to be culled. She's a selfish, disgusting person. There is NO way she can provide the time needed to properly care for rats.
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Clean shaven. Is it safe to assume it's face picking time
It's funny, Morgan and Taylor kind of always reminded me of one another. They're pretty self absorbed and can't take any criticism whatsoever. It's mostly just the ridiculously botched lips, tho.
After all, Morgan actually cares about animals. She's vegan, buys cruelty free products, and doesn't own more pets than she can properly manage caring for.
his face is just vile to look at. how anyone finds him even remotely attractive is beyond me.
this is an accurate description.
It's just a friend guiseeeee, he doesn't cheat >>682112
Real question. What's up with the down syndrome eye shape?
If Chelsea is around I wanna know what shaving signifies for him? Like why does he have to shave when he gets high? Is it because of the skin picking?
Either way, shaving doesn't do him any favors. He ages horribly when he shaves lmao.
It's okay because she's wanted a rat for years!! /s
She's literally no different than anyone with access to Google when you think about it.
I can't wait to see what shit show of a set-up she puts those poor creatures in. If she gets a Critter Nation like she claims she will, I wonder what substrate she will use? CN have very shallow pans, so unless she gets some custom made there will be substrate all over the floor. I guarantee any rats in her care will end up with resp issues and she'll blame the breeder.
The cage will be bare minimum and it will show because CN's are quite big.
There's no problem with it, but you need to have an absorbant layer underneath and take the fleece out to wash it every 2 to 3 days because the cage will get filthy and stink.
Which Taylor won't do, let's be real. Her apartment is going to smell so bad, I really don't think she knows how bad even just a few rats smell if you don't clean their cage daily.
This is correct. Using fleece is only bad if you use it on it's own. It needs an absorbent layer underneath to soak up the urine, as the fleece is only supposed to wick it away. Changing every 2-3 days is mandatory otherwise ammonia will start to build-up.
However, this is Taylor so their cage is going to stink. They really do need their cage spot-cleaned every day. I spot-clean morning/evening, it only takes like a minute but she's so lazy so she won't do it.
And just think about all the other mischief rats get into. Chewing things they are not meant to chew, kicking out all their poop from their litter box, escaping from their cage/play area and running around the apartment (seriously, if one of them escapes she will never see them again. Either her cats will kill them or they get lost in her mess/behind cages/tanks), biting the shit out of your hands if they are unsocialized and scared, I could go on.
I understand why she always takes in the weak and young mammals. That way they either bond closely with her because she's their surrogate mother, they die early which she can blame on genetics or illnesses, or they are untame which she can also just blame on their "bad upbringing". It's really only positives for an attention seeking bitch like her.
I didn't like her before but showing how she just doesn't learn, even after killing a kitten under the exact same circumstances, just takes the cake.
she cant even do her own dirty laundry i doubt she will keep on top of it for the rats >>682310
fleece also is no fun for rats, they can't dig in it and express natural foraging behaviors. This can be provided through other things but i doubt she will give them it
Rats get especially destructive when bored too. She'll also have to treat them for mites and it's very obvious when they have them as they get red sores.
Yeah, she has a savior complex. She loves "fixing" things. Sick animals, "abandoned" animals, baby animals… JC. She wants to be praised for it which is why she blasts her social media whenever this happens. >>682313
Most people have dig boxes or other foraging activities/toys in their cages so this isn't really a problem, but this is Taylor so we won't see any enrichment besides a wheel, a hammock and some chews from Petco.
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Is this another burn on her leg? Looks like the burns she has on her arms that some anons speculated were from a dab rig. Ironic how when Jonny comes home she suddenly has more burns
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And here she is influencing and encouraging people to basically "rescue" more feeder rats. Shes a fucking idiot oh my god JUST TELL THEM TO GO SUPPORT THEIR LOCAL BREEDERS
She's a moron. Does she not realize that feeder breeders, even the good ones who care about their lines, cull certain rats for a reason? It could be literally anything from shitty temperament to bad genetics. Obviously this isn't for every rat, sometimes it's purely because they were bred to be food.
If you want a pet rat, go and support local breeders who DO breed pet rats for health, genetics and temperament… or better yet, go to AN ACTUAL DAMN RESCUE OR SHELTER AND ADOPT!
Also a pet store? Are you kidding me? Why would she suggest a PET STORE to buy a pet rat? They don't track their lines and typically just breed what's "popular" at the time unless they have a feeder breeder to get supply from, because no good breeder will sell to a store. They usually want to know where their rats are going to keep track of health/lines.
Taylor, you have zero knowledge of what you're talking about. Just stop. She's fucking infuriating.
I don't understand why people think they're "rescuing" feeder rats when they're literally bred to be fed to another animal. They're just taking an animal that was not bred to be a pet so they can make themselves feel better about pretending to rescue something. Exactly what Taylor has done.
There is no doubt in my mind that she didn't accidentally get the rat instead of a mouse. If she was responsible, she would have rehomed the rat to someone who knows how to care for it or fed it to one of her larger snakes, and asked the place she got it from to send her what she actually ordered. Most dumbo rats are adorable.. is she going to keep every single one she orders because it's too cute to be snake food?
Why is she even feeding live rats… even if her snake hasn't eaten for 2 weeks it shouldn't matter unless she's not looking after him properly and he doesn't have the weight on him to miss a few meals. And if she's that worried, then why not assist feed her snake instead of feeding it live prey. I mean you should only assist feed as a last resort, but if she jumps straight to live feeding when her snake doesn't eat for 1 week then why not assist feed instead. And she can't use the excuse of "he was eating live when i got him!!11!!1" because my own snake had been eating live rats from his breeder for 1 year before i got him. First feeding with me he ate a frozen thawed rat because guess what Taylor, if you do your research and prepare properlly then it's really simple to transition your snakes from live to frozen thawed.
Yeah lol I realised I forgot the man child after making the post.
Though that would bring an even bigger question to where the money is coming from cause he would be spending so much of his and her money.
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I dont know who that is but Taylor is fairly young and relationships arent always meant to last.
Hoping hers with Jonny doesnt last more than it should.
Usually toxic ones are the hardest to end.
In one of the previous threads there was a photo of her responding to a criticism of a tattoo, saying she didn't pay for it.
Or, maybe she's getting a discounted rate. It's also very possible that her artist is super cheap
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She got two more rats (in a paper bag) but still hasn't shown the setup or enclosure or anything like that.
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i mean its good for us that she feels the need to document everything AS its happening but like…why not just wait until everything is situated to post about it?
why does she feel the need to be giving play by play updates, its so desperate
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This is pretty much what happens every time someone gives Taylor good advice.
“I will have my assistant come 3 times a day every day while I’m away on my trip!!” will be her response.
She is really so hooked on the high of new things. New hair (which she can’t do now that it’s gross and dead as fuck), new tattoos, new animals. I don’t give a shit about her constantly doing new things to her body - if she refuses to get help for herself and figure out why she can’t be happy without constantly changing herself, that’s her problem. But it’s just awful that she’s so bent on getting new animals every single month (love how she’s on and on about not getting animals for a few months - when she definitely gets at least 1 new addition per month). She’s constantly buying new animals but ALSO takes trips away from said animals and just pays off someone else to take care of them. Just shows how much they are really just accessories to her, and as long as someone is keeping them alive so she can take quirky inta-thot pics with them, it’s all good in her eyes. When will enough be enough for her? Why does she need to keep getting more and more like they are just collectible objects??
Agreed. I breed rats and Goose looks to be around the 3-week mark, these new ones look to be around 4-weeks.
Also… she got them from a pet store, so like an anon said above, how exactly did they "send" her a MOUSE by accident? Also what a great store that they can't even tell their damn feeder rodents apart.
Also a paper bag is not a suitable way to transport a pet? She'll probably say some shit like "they were only in there for 10 minutes!" which is not good enough. You're at a pet store, buy a travel cage for them. If the store supplies that bag for its live feeders, then it's still bad because she's fine transporting them like that. She's just awful.
yep she's setting the scene already, based on previous experiences she's gotta make sure everyone knows this rat is a) a feeder b) separated from its mother too early and of course c) potentially gonna die in a few months. mark my words, she'll be creaming herself when the time comes to reap all the karma from this poor rat's demise.
i can already imagine her stans saying how amazing she is for giving this rat such an amazing life and she tried so hard lol
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Which is it, Taylor? Are they super careful with genetics, or is she high white and discarded for genetic defects and doomed to die? She can't even keep up with the way she wants to spin a narrative of her own making.
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>>682795>And isn't actually kind of advised against to live feed snakes or does that depend on the species?
Yeah, definitely not a good idea unless there are severe extenuating circumstances. Thankfully, it's illegal in some countries. When it comes to ball pythons the vast majority of the time when people are complaining about them being "picky eaters" it's because of piss-poor husbandry. Which is what Taylor's problem is. But rather than spend time and money correcting it, she jumps to live feeding. She claims to be bothered by it but I've yet to see her express any real emotions when her beloved pets die. I have a hard time believing she genuinely cares for feeders.
Here's an example of what a small rat can do to a snake (GRAPHIC image): http://theexoticvet.tumblr.com/post/139494298256/this-is-why-you-shouldnt-feed-live-prey-this-boa
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What a surprise. Not a Critter Nation, one hammock and one bed. Zero enrichment and some flannel(?) fabric just tossed in. What a fucking joke.
The cage itself is a good size, but it's a piss poor set-up. Look at how empty and miserable it looks.
I attached a pic of what it should sorta look like - every inch of the cage should be used to hang stuff for them to climb and play.
she's so thick she prob thinks they only need milk formula - even though mothers usually wean babies around 3.5/4 weeks and they are usually nibbling solids when they open their eyes at around 2 weeks.
but this is concerning. i can't see a water bottle and that looks like a water bowl because there isn't food in it… which is just a bad idea, it's going to be absolutely filthy and they will not be drinking clean water at all. so yeah, where the heck is their food bowl?
None of her fans are gonna question why a pet store is carrying dumbo rats as feeders? Why were there two separate litters of dumbo rats to sell as food for snakes???
Maybe it's just in my area but I've only ever seen fancy rats at pet stores, never dumbo.
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I'm so mad she's keeping this rat. I hope she gets rightfully bit for neglecting and not socializing.
I really hope her starting to get back into small mammals is the beginning of the end for her.
Taylor is so clueless with everything and does not want to learn at all. I don't have any sympathy for her if everything goes down the drain. Youtube money doesn't last forever unless you start investing but i'm sure once she reads "investing" she probably thinks it's investing in new animals and things for her manchild. From seeing how she's trying so hard to move to vlogs, i'm sure her fame will end in a few years.
Definitely, this isn't going to end well.
I'm furious that she's doing this, if she truly loved animals she wouldn't be collecting animals like they're fucking nick nacks.
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Why does she always insist on buying enclosures that won't last?? Doesn't she have other animals that need upgrades?? Yet she's taking on three rats?? What about Kronos and his small enclosure??
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The cage size is fine. The problem is the set-up and it also makes no sense for her to "upgrade" based on the rat's size. They really do not get that much bigger like a snake would that you would need to upgrade - just goes to show her lack of research. You typically upgrade the cage based on the number of rats you have, not because they grow up. I've noticed they don't stop growing until around 9-10 months which for most rats is 1/3 of their lifespan.
What she's really saying is this will be their permanent cage, which is fine, but there is literally nothing IN the cage and that's the problem. She doesn't need to "wait" for these rats to grow up because in a week or two they will want to explore.
I agree with everything here, actually. I have 4 girls in the bottom of a DCN (with 3 boys on top) and I'm looking at getting them their own DCN because they could really benefit from it. Rats are so active, especially the girls and they need so much stimulation and activities to do when inside their cage.
Also I can't explain enough how infuriating it is that she thinks she's "rescuing" these feeders… even though she's live-feeds?! Like we ALL know she just went and got another live feeder, rat or mouse it doesn't matter, to feed to her snake because she has zero patience to feed f/t. I hate that part of the rat community that thinks they are rescuing rats when they buy feeders. All you're doing is putting money into people's pockets and another rodent into a snake.
If she really wanted to rescue, she would GO TO A RESCUE but to be quite honest, I don't think she'd pass their pre-requisites if she showed them this cage I certainly wouldn't want her to foster any kind of animal. She's owned rats for one hot damn minute and already thinks she knows everything despite owners who have years of experience trying to be helpful.
If she posted that pic to any kind of rat forum or community, she would be torn to shreds by people telling her it's not good enough, there's zero enrichment, etc.
I'm no expert on rat cages but having worked with them… there's so little in that cage (especially the top level) to be considered as enrichment. Is there even a way they can make a nest?
The fact that she's considering feeding live is one issue but this, god this is another. I remember the amount of anons that didn't want her to get something like a rat that needs constant enrichment and attention.
when breeding rats, breeders will move the mother rats and babies into a maternity cage, which does not have much height as there is a risk of the babies falling an hurting themselves when they first begin exploring. Goose is at an age where she will begin to explore, and although it's great that she has a big cage for them, she either needs to take the ramp off the bottom to block it off and give them more things to do lower down, or fill it out more with things that can prevent falls if one of the babies were to venture up to the top and accidentally slip at this age. If they were to fall from the very top ledge all the way to the bottom, it could prove fatal, which is why she needs to pad it out with more hammocks and ropes etc, or she should have put them in a smaller cage until they were 6-8 weeks old and big enough to handle more space.
She's also not done a very good job at covering the floor with thin blankets, the floor of the cage is wire which is not a suitable thing for rat to stand on long term.
lmao how fucking poor are they thinking this is something to show off with? If they move into a big house, I give it 4 months until they get in extreme financial trouble and all these animals end up dead from neglect. >>682609>>682622
The holes in her stories are absolutely ridiculous at this point. The tweet in itself doesn't even make sense. >>682803
Annnnnnd I'm so done with this chick. I know we're not supposed to interfere or anything but… Can't the animal protective services be called already on her? I don't mind giving up on all this delicious milk if it ends up saving her like 40 animals now?
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Oh, please. Some people do drugs because of shitty circumstances, some do them because they're mentally ill (maybe because of the shitty circumstances), but, yeah, some people just do them to party, too. Most who use do a little of all of the above. She knows this.
The only important fact is not all users become menaces to society who rob, abuse, and rape people. Who's suffering again? Not Jonny, that's for sure.
The last thing the mentally ill need is a hoarder in denial and her unrepentant alcoholic boyfriend speaking on their behalf.
Party culture glorifies itself and doesn't deserve pity. Addicts won't get help unless they want it.
Good luck if she does lmao. Shibas are a notoriously difficult breed because they demand a lot of attention and are also loud as all hell.
But then again, I don't doubt she'll end up getting a designer dog despite not knowing the breed well. She's done it before so she'll do it again.
This freudian slip though hahahaha.
This only things he had issue with in this entire tweet was making fun of her saying he's metal (which he is correct, he's not in the metal scene) and that he is recovering (which still implies he is still doing drugs, not fully recoverED). I think this says a lot
. So I'm going to go ahead and believe Taylor does do drugs as well and indeed hoards animals and keeps them in subpar conditions.
For sure. Her cats do their own thing and the rest of her animals are in cages, so she can fuck around or sleep all day without caring. A dog demands way more attention than she can actually provide.
Knowing her, she'll probably get a breed that's way above her experience level, like a Shiba or an Akita, or she'll go for something more common yet still demanding like a lab. It'd be cash if she got a teacup. I'd like to see her trying to weasel out of that one.
You're right. I hope she does follow through with a DCN because I doubt those rats will even get out daily, let alone for a good amount of time. The cage she has would be fine if
she was a decent keeper and had it set up properly.
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There’s no doubt in my mind she only retweeted this bc she’s like, “Oh look someone who’s also disabled and can own 13 pets. So can I with my 40 thousand pets!”
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you two cunts have nothing, and i repeat NOTHING, to be jealous of.
not your money, not your filthy stinking home, not your addictions, not your fucked up relationship and it's toxic power plays, not your liver disease, not your fugly face, not your lip injections, not your new clothes that you replace your utter lack of personality with, not your puffy, gargantuan, bloated ego, not your mediocre music, nor your hoarding, not your ugly, ugly sense of superiority…. i could go on. NONE of this inspires jealousy. it inspires disgust.
i sincerely hope that fucked up, desiccated piece of old boot leather that you call a liver expires soon jonny, you fucking disgusting rapist. what a complete waste of DNA
I already have a house in California tho
Which is what Taylor has always wanted lol
If you think Em hasn't dedicated her entire existence to reading this thread (and probably others) you'd be mistaken
Just look at how she talks in her anon messages. She thought she could out farm the farmhands kek.
I felt bad for Taylor after that whole situation happened but knowing she excuses and parades her rapist boyfriend around her mostly underaged and impressionable fans is gross and dangerous. Like you guys really stan a relationship where the dude wants to share a private photo of his half naked girlfriend with all his creepy male followers? But they're kids so they believe everything she says meanwhile she should be the one who knows better than to promote that kind of stuff. Neither showing your body off for your boyfriends approval or letting him share it with his friends is body positive.
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You missed this one where she says "if you want one rat , get one-" great work Taylor, promoting people to go out and get ONE rat when they're social animals and should not be purchased alone and kept alone even for a day smh
Oh of course she's going to make a video showing all of her experience with rats lmao
Also acting like most feeder breeders don't keep their rats in tubs… oh girl. Taylor keeps her snakes in tubs, yet it's bad when people with rats do it? I'm in the breeder community and while I don't use tubs, nearly every feeder breeder uses tubs. Pretty much only those who hobby breed go the extra mile and have good set-ups.
Since Taylor has so many snakes, I guarantee she buys from people who use tubs and she has zero idea on what condition those rats are kept in as well. Acting like she gives a shit is just icing on the cake.
What snakes is she even talking about that don't eat frozen?
Also, I really don't know anything about snakes but wouldn't it be more humane to feed them live only when they have been denying frozen for a few weeks? I feel like if she feeds them live every single week they won't ever eat frozen because they won't magically accept frozen food. Again, I'm fairly ignorant about this so I could be wrong.
And she's still being such a dumbass. She could've just gotten other young 6 week old rats instead of 2 more that need to be weaned, but now she is suddenly saying not to do that.
Not that I believe that they really are Gooses littermates, they seem older than her to me.
I'd really like to know what rat groups are talking about her, all that I am in don't even know she exists.
I'm not 100% sure but it may be Maui and Tate that are eating live.
Also the rat groups talking about her are breeder groups. I'll get some screens.
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just a few comments from a facebook group (a very serious one) for breeders.
Just shows how lazy she is. She can't even come up with nice names anymore, at some point she will just resort to numbers to keep track of her hoard.>>683935
I get why they don't, but I really wish they would speak out publicly about this. It annoys me so much that she just keeps getting away with things just because if you criticize her you will get attacked by stans or blocked by her.
By the way, what happened with that Petty Paige girls video? The last thing I heard about that was when Taylor messaged her.
Aren't they pythons? It's not extremely rare for them to go of feed for months and be fine, knowing her she probably didn't bother weighing them to make sure everything was fine before becoming concerned lmao.
Mind you, she was talking about scenting months ago but knowing how dumb she generally is I doubt she went above and beyond to not feed live.
Idubbbz pretty much only targets Youtubers whose channels are already dying or who have a lot of haters already.
The whole "he kills channels" thing is just an illusion.
He also doesn't want to make Content Cops on girls he thinks are cute afaik.
Even if he made a video he probably knows shit all about reptile care and that would lose some credibility because 'hur dur you know nothing about animals!' or whatever.
Essentially, experts within that field need to speak up about her because they're the ones that should know their animals in and out and have established fan bases (if they're YouTubers) that also can try and have a discussion on Taylor's care because there's is no doubt her stans would flood the entire thing quickly and ignore the facts.
I'm also surprised she hasn't tried to breed her snakes yet lmao.
Don't think he kills channels, just exposes them and Taylor needs to be exposed (and Pettube as a whole, really) for their shit care videos
I think it'd just be hilarious to have him do a CC on her, because she would literally have a meltdown lol. She would have zero idea on how to handle it.
What? You mean that actual
people on facebook think she sucks too and it's not
just trolls with fake accounts or anons? PREPOSTEROUS /s It seems more and more people are catching on to her shit. And in this, a good opportunity for people to learn what is best for animals.
I think her getting into rats will be her downfall. People in general are wayyy too naive about reptiles to know what she is doing wrong and when they look unwell. I'm sure she has not even tried to get her snakes into feeding f/t. There are strategies to do it. She's just lazy.
I'm was agreeing with you that it sounded like Em while adding the fact I thought it was believeable she could still be posting here lol but go off
Did Taylor reply to that comment that said her snake wasn't actually a chimera? I'm curious to see how she deflects a professional educating her. Sorry if it was posted and I missed it.
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>>684119>Did Taylor reply to that comment that said her snake wasn't actually a chimera? I'm curious to see how she deflects a professional educating her. Sorry if it was posted and I missed it.
Nope. I just checked the replies under Clint's comment (on her video) and Taylor hasn't even acknowledged it. Of course, why would she when she'd rather get asspats like these?
Taylor's a dumb fuck but what you said is also not even close to being true either. Even intact males will get on (barring hormonal issues that require neutering) in cramped cages.
Tiny cages are cruel for other reasons, but they won't make rats attack one another.
1. Sage pls thx
2. I don’t even know anything about rats, but just reading anons experiences here about rats, that seems really unlikeley that they would attack each other as many are saying they are quite social animals.
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How long have you been keeping rats? I've had pet rats over 20 years. They literally will not attack each other.
Rats are highly sociable animals. If they attacked each other in small spaces they literally wouldn't be as successful as they are in the wild (in cramped conditions the only thing that changes is their mating strategy with multiple males per female as opposed to a male and his cohort of females); and you literally would not be able to put them in small travel or holiday cages.
The only time rats attack each other is when they've been poorly introduced or there are hormonal issues (usually in male rats, and not half as common as people make out them to be). Boxing, playfighting and mounting is natural hierarchy behaviour and the only thing you should regularly see in a cage full of pet rats even if that cage is cramped.
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What about all those other times he was "sober"? Was he like 52% sober? It's all or nothing, asshole.
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How many times can you claim "do as I say and not as I do" before your fans figure out you consistently going against your own advice is poor animal care and hypocrisy.
Genuinely wanna know since this bitch is still going.
And Taylor wouldn't be able to handle beautifully raised young rats from a good breeder let alone the mess three hand reared feeder bin rats so can't wait for the sob story when they die or get uwu given away to a lucky fan - Taylor raised and approved.
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Is this true? When you're transitioning them to frozen you have to knock the mice and rats out? This seems truly horrific. How can she find the dumbo rats so cute and precious yet beat other rats and mice to knock them out?
Coming from a country where it's illegal to feed live and snakes aren't dying from it, I find this pretty horrendous.
So… she talking about pre-killed and she's NOT EVEN DOING IT PROPERLY? The only humane methods accepted is co2 chamber or CD (cervical dislocation).
This is animal abuse. I can't believe her snakes are starving for her to resort taking an animal and smacking it around to the point it loses consciousness, but let's be honest - the amount of force she'd have to use would most certainly injure it to the point of a slow, painful death. I'm absolutely disgusted.
I just realized she has been feeding live since at least June.
How many mice and rats has she smacked around since then??? Jesus, this girl is disgusting.
I agree. I think CD is dangerous and it can go wrong very quickly, was just giving an example.
It's disgusting how people think that this is normal - like I get it, rats need to eat. But I swear Taylor has zero patience and just jumps the gun.
I remember Emzotic saying in a video about her snakes hers went off F/T for months, but she refused to feed live because she didn't want that for her (the snake). Eventually the snake went back to F/T.
With Taylor, I swear she jumps onto live the second her snake rejects F/T because she has zero experience and she has a meltdown.
Seriously? The fact you dislike reptiles puts your opinion at risk since it's obviously biased with 0 thought put in for the other side and what their reasons might be. Some snakes simply do not take live no matter how hard you try. It's no more cruel than the cows and pigs and sheep and other animals that go to slaughter to make your dog and cat food, the only difference is that you don't have to see it and feel bad. And "it's not natural" isn't an argument, MANY THINGS AREN'T NATURAL. They aren't supposed
to have a chance to live, that defeats the entire point of feeding. You aren't running a D&D dungeon. Besides; Captivity isn't natural, your phone isn't natural, their diets most likely aren't natural (not all beginner snakes in captivity primarily feed off of mice in the wild anyways) so why aren't you complaining about all of that constantly? Taylor is a cunt but your arguments are stupid. I swear some of you farmers need to stay off about certain matters unless you've dealt with them and actually understand what happens and why it happens.
There’s a ton of legit experienced snake owners on YouTube that actually rescues snakes that were thrown away because it didn’t want frozen and they took them in and guess what? After months of dedication and care, they’re now eating frozen. But of course, Taylor’s Stan’s prefer instathots than anyone with a degree so here we are
Taylor obviously thinks she’s smarter than anyone else that she doesn’t take the time to study and dedicate her time for her animals. (And no Taylor, just because you sit around at home near your hoard is not actual TLC.) She’s an idiot with a bankruptcy timer on her head.
I meant starve them if they don't lose any significant weight. As other posters have said they can go months without eating. Not like live feeding is legal where I live, anyway.
Taylor has also said she is braining them, though I doubt she is doing it correctly/at all.>>684411
Different anon, but then what about snakes that don't want frozen in countries where live feeding is illegal?
Rats are very tough little animals. Dying from that height is unlikely, but injury is entirely possible.
At the age they are now you have a week or so before they start to climb more (if they're not already doing so). She needs hammocks and ledges in there asap for mental stimulation as much as anything else.
That's basically the main point here really - the two she's supposedly feeding live are ball pythons who are known to not eat and be okay for a long time.
She's jumping the gun because she wants to feed live, she even said it months ago when she started toying with the idea of feeding live.
Dude I kill mice all the time (I work in a research lab, I dissect and euthanize) and the idea of her knocking around mice and harming them makes me sick to my stomach/disgusted. Her snakes were only on hunger strike for like a couple of weeks before she resorted to that shit? She was so trigger
happy with the idea of live feeding. I wonder if secretly it’s for Jonny to get off his animal abuse.
That was the right thing to do. It's not like these two snakes are colubrids with fast metabolisms where missing meals could become a real emergency quite quickly. It's not like they're super rare, unusual WC snakes who simply haven't been able to transition to F/T yet and are losing weight rapidly. They're CBB ball pythons for christ sake. They can miss meals before jumping the fucking gun to feeding live. If she was mature, responsible, and truly wasn't getting off on the spectacle of feeding live or semi-conscious (which is abuse!) rats she'd be doing everything else first. She'd be monitoring their weight to make sure it isn't dropping, take them to the vet, and then actually work hard to fix her terrible enclosure parameters, which I can almost guarantee is the cause of these "food strikes." Bu that takes effort and commitment.>>684360>since the prey doesn't stand a chance
The mouse/rat killing the snake happens a lot more than people may think. Which is why it's unethical from both ends. What she's doing (and how she's doing it) is absolutely horrific to the mice/rats, but it's also 100% putting her ball pythons in danger for no reason.
Case in point–this image of a rat eating a ball python: https://78.media.tumblr.com/064e92e5e5cf7c438274fffa5585a525/tumblr_mzf7fch9qy1r0jlbgo2_1280.jpg
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The new ones look so much bigger than Goose. But they're totes litter mates, guys.
I honestly wanna say she got actual rats meant for being pets rather than two other feeders.
I'm pretty sure she knows the small rat won't make it for long or at all so she's using it as an excuse to get rats that looks pretty or w/e.
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wtf is this bald spot on goose? Or is it her arm moving?
It's not necessary, it's senseless animal cruelty. She's just a terrible person who can't be bothered to do things correctly. >>684618
Yeah, there are only a few approved methods of humane euthanasia for feeder rodents and I guarantee she's not using any of them. It makes my skin crawl thinking about her house of horrors.
I know I'm a broken record preaching to the choir but I genuinely don't get why her stans are on board with this behavior. What she is doing is wholly unnecessary. If she hates doing it as much as she claims then fix your husbandry. Act like a fucking adult. Do a modicum of research. She actually has people believing this is a necessary evil for the benefit of her snakes.
Her stans don't care because they are all little kids that don't know anything about animals. They most likely think things like this are necessary.
Or just as bad as her at keeping pets.
From what I’ve observed, Taylor’s fan base is mostly little kids, like you said, but then there’s preteen - teens who are just getting into certain animals so they don’t know as much as they think they do, and then adults that either like because omg cute/awesome animals or they think she’s hot and want to fuck her/be her or both.
As much as I hate Taylor, I really don’t think she’s as clueless as she seems. People love animals and they love instathots. She found a way to combine both into something profitable. The only way I see her going anywhere is if someone prettier comes along. That’s it. They don’t even need to have better animal care. They just have to look better than Taylor and be willing to show off just as much skin.
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Someone pointed out to her on Twitter that the rats are visibly different ages and she changed her story from ‘I got her sisters’ to ‘I guessed and did my best!’
Oh look how predictable. Let's put it all on the owner of the shop, once again. Nothing from this tweet jives with what she originally claimed happened.>>682609>>682590
She literally is incapable of telling the truth.
Because no rat breeder worth their salt; would adopt out to her.
Same reason she got Ghost from a Criagslist ad. No adoption agency would ever adopt out to her.
I don't buy for one second that she had a convo with the owner or assistants. If she had, her story wouldn't have changed multiple times.>>682590
She's sure these are Goose's sisters. (Why?)>>682609
Then as she's leaving the store
she asks if they are in fact Goose's litter mates. Wouldn't that be the first question you ask walking into the store, not as you're leaving with your purchase?
And she claims the employee is sure the original two aren't
Goose's litter mates (how could they know?), but the two they're replaced with are
her actual litter mates. Again, how could they know?
>So sadly I asked to swap them for littermates.
Hmm, and lucky for her the new "litter mates" are cuter than the original two.>>684664
Now she's claiming she noticed a size difference from the start, conveniently after we talk about it. And now there are magically three litters at the store instead of two. And they're now kept at the back of the store. If that's true, how did the first mix up happen? She would have gone in and asked them to get two rats from the back from the same litter as the rat they "mistakenly" gave her. But she originally bought them and found out they weren't litter mates on her way out…
She loves to start with claiming absolute certainty about something, and then when intelligent people come along and prove she's an idiot, she'll claim there was ambiguity from the start.
Bruh as much as a hate Taylor, no one on this planet earth is playing catch up with Emzotic. Em probably busts a couple of blood vessels everytime someone mentions TND to her and she was quick to slurp up the sympathy when Taylor didn't want to do an expose video on an almost 30 year old woman who bullied her on the internet while pretending to be all about "positive energy" and "I love all my fellow youtubers". She embarrassed herself and should just go away tbh.
Why does anyone talk about her anyway here? She's so irrelevant, has absolutely no current milk besides sucking youtubers assholes and pretending she wasn't a grown ass woman saying a 19 year old girl probably had aids on here lmao and there's a pertubers thread. This reeks of Em's old self posts tbh.
Looked it up and that article is from 2017.
Maybe more related to the fact Taylor's friend Tyler Rugge keeps roaches.
Double post, but as a breeder myself I wouldn't adopt out to her. She'd have to show proof of her cage being set-up for starters, and we all know she is never prepared. I'd immediately decline her application if she had no cage set-up, or showed the piss poor excuse for one she has now.
Also she'd have to answer a bunch of questions including what other animals she has - if she was honest I wouldn't adopt out to her based purely on the number. No way I'd be convinced she'd give rats the time of day with that many pets. End of story.
I'm not surprised she went with feeder rats because it's easy to get her hands on them, no questions asked, no wait-list, just pay and she has them. Also from her tweets about these rats "being out back" makes it sound like this litter were still with their mother and being nursed. So she's taken babies that still need to be with mom away, yet again. She never learns and she never will.
Hoooooooly hell. What what what what? This is seriously disturbing! I feel legitimately sick and want to go give my girls extra snacks and cuddles.
Honestly, I don't "hate" TND. I just think her care needs so much work and you can't directly give her constructive criticism without backlash from her fans.
But this is straight up evil. How could you seriously take any animal and BEAT IT UNCONSCIOUS? I couldn't do that for a million dollars. Not once.
Feeding live is one thing. It's not my fave, but it's nature and I can understand. But this? No. Nobody does this unless they're fucking insane. You would have to have no soul.
I'm so disturbed.
"Slamming a rat is not abnormal when feeding a snake"
It's fucking cruel. It is abnormal. That's not how you pk snake food.
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Anyone else noticed this? Obviously seen it already but it’s actually good to see a call out post Taylor’s stupid stans haven’t gang raped yet.
Knocking the feeders out isn’t supposed to be a form of euthanasia like many of you seem to think. She can’t just get a CO2 chamber like you guys are saying because pre kill and stunned are different things.
Pre killing is when you feed a snake a rat that was just euthanasized. This could be done with e CO2 chamber.
Stunning is when you feed a live animal, just unconscious.
If a snake won’t accept pre killed, stunning is usually the next option. If done correctly, the rodent should be immediately knocked unconscious. (Not saying Taylor is doing it correctly, just that if it is done correctly it’s immediate)
In many ways stunning the rat is much more humane than feeding it alive and conscious as stunning immediately knocks them out, where as if they’re fed live they feel pain and struggle for the few minutes up until their death. If correctly stunned, they feel nothing.
Stunning is not just “beating a rodent around”. Please do research on the topic before going off about it for hours on end because talking about a topic while knowing nothing about it doesn’t make anyone look very good.
This isn’t to defend Taylor, just trying to clear up what stunning actually is because clearly many people don’t actuallu know.
Also while I understand that live feeding in illegal in the UK, so it can be easy to say “well if snakes here eat frozen why can’t hers” it’s not that simple. In the US it’s simply a fact that some snakes won’t take frozen - usually due to how they’re raised by the breeders.
In the UK, since live feeding is illegal, breeders HAVE to raise their baby snakes on frozen. In the US, that’s not the case. Most breeders will actually feed the baby snakes live right from the get go because it’s easier and cheaper for them. Not saying this is right, I think they should use frozen but that’s just how it is.
When a snake is raised on live, some of them will never switch over. They weren’t raised to recognize frozen prey as food. So while it may be easy to think “oh well snakes in the Uk all eat frozen why can’t taylors” there’s a lot more that goes into it.
Again this is NOT to defend Taylor. I just needed to say all this because it seems that there’s a lot of people out there uneducated on What stunning actually is, and how snakes are raised differently in the US and how there really is some here who will not accept frozen.
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Her room is so disgusting omg
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Sure, the real reason people hate him…
she does this shit because she thinks it makes her look better and of course, because it's material for her videos.
literally everything she does, she has to make a statement about it. so instead of preparing in advance for rats and going to a breeder, she creates hype by suddenly falling in love with a 2-week old feeder rat that she got "sent by accident" and just fell in love with so now she's "saving it" and of course hand-rearing it. oh, but that's not it! she's also so amazing that she went back to the store for her siblings! and she got a cage, but don't worry guys, it's not their permanent cage! even though the one she has right now isn't good for babies at all and is emptier than her soul.
all of it is for attention and she just lies to make it sound more interesting and exciting to build hype with her stans.
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someone is butthurt lol
there's a reason why live feeding is illegal in some countries. go cry somewhere else because someone happened to tell you it was inhumane.
…There is a big difference between an insect and an animal that has the intelligence of a 3 year old child.
Anyway, I feel like for a snake themed month she is uploading very few videos.
I would expect at least one or two a week, could even just be vlogging type videos, yet we have only gotten one so far.
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I always thought people who claimed to love snakes and rodents at the same time were stupid (for obvious reasons). And now we have Taylor, the epitome of a retarded owner lol
Also she has such a shitty sleep schedule
then dont have cats, dogs, carnivorous fish or any animal that relies on meat for substance.
go stick with your rabbits kek
saged for peta anon
back on topic i wonder if she will clean all 14 snake racks? or just do a couple and claim shes too tired for the rest
You don't live feed a cat, what are you saying?
The problem it isn't feeding meat, is live feed and it is absord to love a rat while beating to death anothers.
If you like enough snakes to do so, it's fine but you cant pull out your crap and say you "love" has well rats or mices
It's is stupid outside Taylor's logic.
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There aren’t enough words to describe what a cunt she is
So disregarding the argument about the humane way to knock out rats, there is still literally no reason why
she couldn't have just gotten her snakes from a breeder that feeds them f/t. If she really loved rats as much as she says, that is what she would do.
Even if you don't care about feeding live, it's just more convenient. If she bought from a breeder that was already feeding them f/t and then they stopped eating it, it's her husbandry
that is the problem.>>685231
Does Tyler even get comments like this or is it just mostly her?
No doubt she's feeding live because she wants to, and her snakes missing a couple of meals gives her an excuse that she thinks is good enough.
If the snakes aren't losing weight at a quick rate and if they were a healthy weight to begin with then there's no reason for her to jump straight to feeding live when they miss a few meals.
So either her snakes are so underweight that she can't avoid feeding live or they'll die (unlikely), or there's no actual reason and she just enjoys feeding live for the hell of it.
The majority of snakes will eat frozen, especially if you actually try and fix your mistakes or try and 'make' them eat frozen.
She has two ball pythons who weren't eating (completely normal) and she no doubt jumped the gun. >>685068
So basically a breeder issue? The majority of breeders will not sell snakes unless they feed frozen properly or will tell the owner that they eat live (in which case, Taylor just wanted to feed live and we all know that from her past tweets). Her snakes were clearly eating fine before they stopped.
People are doubting she's stunning rodents because she probably has no fucking clue how to. This chick isn't able to seemingly do anything right, there's little to no chance she actually read up on how to stun humanely.
I'm from UK and do have the general opinion that live feeding is a tad shit, but the simple facts are - this girl does not weigh her snakes regularly or health check them at all, she has no clue if they were losing weight during their hunger strikes or tried to do anything beyond scenting the mice (as she claimed) that would be easier and a potential fix. These are two ball pythons that went off their food which is usually normal.
I think the main difference here is that she is willingly abusing an animal in the same way that she apparently disagrees with.
The comparison doesn't really work either way imo, with snakes you can avoid the whole live feeding/stunning practice (because most frozen food is killed 'humanely') while with cats you're going to have to work with what's available unless you want to formulate a diet that uses butchered animals from small butchers or w/e. Basically, it is far harder to avoid that cycle of abuse.
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Deleted the tweet naming the magazine and replaced it with this
It's always funny how she plans all those things and end up doing one of them or none, with an excuse of why she didn't do the rest lol
"Sorry guise I had a flare up, my pinkie finger touched gluten"
"Sorry this video took so loooong to edit, I had so much footage"
Or radio silence
For her September snake videos she only had made one isn't?
This bitch doesn’t care about animals. She admitted to slamming rats until they were unconscious or injured so severely they can’t move.
All she cares about is attention. That’s it
Someone needs to contact them and tell them she's a rape and abuse apologist, she lives in squalor, mistreats and neglects her animals, had killed many of her animals already, is no where near as knowledgeable as she/her fans think and she constantly spreads misinformation. If they want to interview someone then interview someone with an actual good personality who knows what the hell they're talking about instead of spreading misinformation and lies.
I swear to god if the interview has something to do with the "chimera" snake that almost certainly is not a chimera. She's such a liar, she won't even get him tested to prove it because she's scared of being proved wrong, especially since she spent so much on him.
Go to their website: http://nymag.com/
and use the contact us at the bottom.(cowtipping)
When I say it wasn't? Taylor is know for lie to make situations more important than they are or about things that won't happen
That's what I meant….
>>685959>That way she can't cry victim to a canceled interview
Honestly I think that might be why she deleted the original tweet. I think she hoped nobody would catch it soon enough so she can build hype around it and not get people to contact the magazine.
I think it'd work better if people mentioned the scum she's associated with more than the animals, as much as that sucks. Magazines are more willing to listen if someone has rape allegations against them.
This. While I personally disagree with the way Taylor keeps her animals a lot of it is questionable, at least in the eye of the general public.
Jonny, though? No sane human being would condone that pos. He's the main reason she is even in this site.
Why am I not surprised that she doesn't feed her hedgies the correct food.
Can't wait to see what bullshit pet-store seed mix she puts those poor rats on.
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The tweet TND was referring to
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none of this exaggerated at all, though? all of these are simple facts that you can find without going to any gossip sites, most of which taylor has either revealed herself or posted on her social media - like the 2-week old kitten dying because she has zero experience or knowledge with cats, the wild-caught animals she buys, the rats and the shitty cage. like is she dumb or does she just forget she actually posts her life online for the world to see?
she just looooves to point the blame to "a hate forum" whenever she gets called out. it's her go-to excuse now to deflect any kind of criticism.
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This is coming from someone who blocks everything insight just to keep her echo chamber safe
You aren't any better, Taylor.
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I think they meant that still nursing rats (and their mothers) should be in bin cages while it is unsafe for the babies to climb around.
As it is now they might climb up that ramp Taylor has in their cage and snap their necks.
Wtf her underwear is so tight it literally looks like this isnt her side and hip, but between her thighs and her actually pussy (in underwear)
It actually took me like 5 times of watching and reading the comments to realize it wasnt in between her legs
Critter Nation's are great for rats, but for babies under 4-5 weeks, not so much. Ideally they should be in a flat-bottom tub with wire that doesn't have much height so that when they do go out an explore, they can do so safely without risk of getting their paws trapped, falling, etc.
We've all seen the cage she has those rats in. There is NOTHING cushioning them if they climb up the side of the cage and happen to fall. No hammocks, rope, bed or baskets. That's why the cage she has now is atrociously bad and they would be much safer in a bin cage or similar.
Obviously this will be obsolete in a few weeks, but even then her cage set-up is miserable looking and she needed to start filling it up with stuff yesterday.
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We see you
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I was just thinking the same thing. Girl, let your vagina breathe! She is asking for a yeast infection.
But honestly between the filth in her apartment and Johnny, I’m not surprised she doesn’t care about personal hygiene.
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Did she just say she doesn't have 30 animals?
If I'm remembering right, that's 34 animals, excluding inverts and fish…
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Sorry if I'm doing this wrong, never posted here before but why would she take a picture before finishing, doesn't make much sense to me
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"I don't need an assistant I just got one because i can"
Even if it isn't normal, an assistant is the person who takes care of the stuff you cannot do due to time constraints thanks to your job or your day to day errands. Taylor has absolutely nothing to do all day, this is why she keeps getting animals.
She can do whatever she wants with her money, but at least she should be honest with herself and her fanbase because she makes it look like she can handle all of her animals on her own when she's not even their regular caretaker.
… and a ptartrige in a pear tree!
But seriously she doesn’t even know how many animals she has.
didn't this moron at one point say her "job" was looking after her animals? yet she doesn't even do that lol. this is so fucking ironic. she's got so many animals that someone needs to look after them WHILE SHE SLEEPS. does she not realize that that's not normal?
why would you even own an animal if you just pay someone else to look after it, that defeats the entire purpose of having one.
Move back in with her parents and go back to PetCo. She has no back-up plan and with her history smeared all over the Internet, no reputable animal industry is going to hire her. She has zero qualifications or education regarding animal care because despite what she may think, doing Youtube entertainment videos isn't a degree.
JC will bleed her dry unless he dies first and with her work ethnic, I can't see how her channel is going to sustain her. Looking at her videos, she doesn't get a lot of views in relation to her sub count except on her 'all my pets' videos.
I sense a meltdown coming. She's getting really shitty with defending herself again because she can't keep up with her lies. >>686848
This might be out of order but someone can feel free to make a timeline but if I'm remembering correctly…
At first she only needed her one pregnant friend to watch her animals while she was away. Then it turned into multiple "assistants" at one point for while she was away. Now it's back to one assistant who apparently helps all
This is a trend that happens with everything she talks about. It changes every time its mentioned.
Keep your shit straight, girl. Literally every time she brings a new animal home or even mentions anything there is at least one lie in there somewhere then she always just digs the hole deeper and deeper.
Also had to scroll back up to quote >>686469
because it especially pissed me off.
She doesn't fucking understand it makes her a rape apologist in itself just because she chooses to date him
. Who would ever date a known rapist and abuser unless you don't believe the girls who are accusing him? She is also forgetting that not only were they raped, they were fucking mentally and emotionally abused throughout the whole thing. And then she makes it all about herself as usual because muh struggle with abuse
. Literally go fuck yourself
"she'll just sometimes help me with my pets"
but didn't she say some tweets ago that she has three assistants for every week to come and help her with her pets?
Because she's still in this phase where she thinks she's so special she can talk it out and it will all be fixed. The way she talks about Jonny's rape allegation is always along the lines of "mistakes". Same for his drug abuse.
She believes he can be saved and is a good person who's just misunderstood. But she fails to realize this is exactly what his three former exes went through.
I don't think she believes he is a good person at all.
It's very telling that she never includes him in any videos, photos and barely any tweets. I mean, they have been together since late last year, right? Anyone proud of their significant other would have included them in a video somehow to show them off once they knew it's a serious relationship.
She knows that he's a shit human and the backlash she would get if she showed him on her youtube channel.
She's just too proud to admit that she made a mistake when she started dating him so she's stuck with him.
that's not smoking
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This and with the new rats? Tbh sounds like it could be hanta or seoul virus kek
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Twisty’s breeder posted this on Facebook
Lmao fancy rats? Don't be retarded anon these are "feeder" rats.
Plus with the filth her apartment is all it takes is one wild rat/mouse to go inside her place and shit and pee on the floor and it will contaminate her own rats regardless of their previous health.
Awks… tho from memory Twisty's tail looked a bit awkward in angle, so I guess it's time to go hunt for those pictures.
Anyway, in the case that the tail was fine - what sort of vet would actually amputate without noticing that there seems to be nothing wrong?>>687422
Not the same anon but I sort of doubt the two other rats are feeder rats tbh
Exotic Nutrition is more or less a garbage brand. Happy Tails loves to peddle it as well. I really wish Taylor took research and husbandry more seriously. This is a really interesting nutrition post that has links to actual research articles: http://hedgehogsofasgard.com/post/164150669251/hedgehog-nutrition>>686466
What the fuck is she on about? That doesn't look like a screen shot from here or any other forum. Regardless, where are the lies? I'm not seeing opinions just a bunch of facts.>>686469
Oh, sweetie. How dense can you be? You don't have to say vile shit to the exes to be a rape/abuse apologist. Dating, supporting, and fucking a known rapist is more than enough. >>686470
Yes, let's make it all about you, as usual. And if this is true…why the fuck date a rapist?>>686481
"naturally an asshole" is that what were calling defensiveness due to neglect, now? "Not in a good mood." Perhaps because they're nocturnal animals dragged out during the day for photo shoots?>>686708
I definitely have carpet and hanging baskets in my bathroom. She couldn't even commit to a 30 day quarantine.>>686731>>686735>>686848
It's time to create a timeline of her "assistant" lies. Jesus, she's 100% said in the past that she has people specifically to care for her animals, including when she's too sick. >>686833
She can't help but lie about literally everything at this point. >>687027
Does anyone remember when exactly the "assistant" lies started cropping up/ the approximate thread #? These lies are actually pathological and extreme at this point (and worth creating a timeline for) and yet her stans eat it up.>>687411
Wow, she battled a "double ear infection" and the "flu" with no outward symptoms and now, weirdly, has a sinus issue and "pink eye." Sure, Jan. >>687437
"God, I could have sworn I'd killed enough to get below 30 in my collection!"
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This is fucking hilarious. She legitimately doesn't know the difference between having an autoimmune disorder and being immunocompromised. Having celiac (or Hashimoto's like me) does not make you more susceptible to infections like colds, the flu, or pink eye, etc. Jesus, she's actually claiming to have a "non-existent" immune system. Honey, autoimmunity literally means your immune system is so overactive it's attacking your own tissues. Being immunocompromised (under active or close to non-existent immune system) would certainly make you susceptible to germs and infections but unless she has cancer/getting chemo, has HIV, or is on immunosuppressants for an organ transplant, then she's not immunocompromised. Get real, Taylor. And if you actually take antibotics every time you're sick, you're an idiot.
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Pretty sure I found her eBay. Thought selling the Webkinz account was bullshit, but there was only one listing that sold for over $200 and had 30+ animals recently, and the seller is from Austin, TX. Def her. Description’s from another item she’s selling. Smoke free, LMAO.
They are technically both, 'fancy' rats just refers to domesticated rats. Feeder isn't a type, just basically saying 'this was bred to be food'. Most people just call them rats, but pet stores like to mislabel shit so they mark prices up.
I do think the other rats Taylor got are feeders, because they also look too young to be away from their mother. Most good breeder's only adopt out after 6-weeks, sometimes 8-weeks to ensure rats have been socialized properly with other rats and a bunch of other stuff. The rats Taylor got for sure aren't from the same litter as Goose, they are from an older litter but a litter that would still benefit from being with their mother or socializing with other adult rats so they know "how to rat".
Either way, she got them from a shitty breeder.
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it's like she never knew small rodents grew so fast. LOL>>687520
i'm not shocked at all how she's sick all the time. i mean, look at her filthy- probably germ and mold infected- apartment. and i think she thinks that having an immune disorder causes you to be sick all the time, but not too sick that you can still travel around and tweet consistently especially when you're covering for your man child
does she even post the other two rats? it's like she doesn't give a shit about them because they aren't "special" and she only had to get them because otherwise she'd be crucified for keeping goose alone (and rightfully so).
so taylor, are you planning on adjusting their cage now? 3-week mark is when babies start getting more confident with exploring and we all know the other two you have are already older. i'm betting the cage looks just as miserable and empty as when she first showed it. "photos don't indicate the level of care i do" my ass. show picture proof because her words don't mean shit. i still have no idea why she bought that cage to begin with and claimed she's going to "upgrade" them to a critter nation. they can go into a critter nation at like 5-6 weeks so why bother getting them a unsuitable cage like the one she has now for only a few weeks? the cage size is not the problem, more so the fact it's unsuitable for rat pups - especially so because it's barren. just feels weird she didn't just get the critter nation straight away, she can certainly afford it… unless she's broke?
Some fish tend to develope a more aggressive nature when they fully matured or can become aggressive for an over stock tank.
It's not rocket science if you know how your fish gonna behave the rest of its life span.
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You can say whatever you want from Taylor's fanbase but they are supportive af
They even get retarded tattoos just like hers so she isn't alone.
What’s her excuse for this one?
“Oh those fish are known to be aggressive, so I shoved them in my tank anyway and nothing ever happened before now and I watched them carefully and as soon as something happened I took them out because I am so good with my pets guys. I know Cheese getting stressed could kill my whole tank but I put a potentially stressful fish in with him because I know what I’m doing but like you guys don’t do this, ok? By the way, I’m sorry I havent added a new snake video. My EDS flared up and also I caught a cold and pneumonia at the same time.”
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first thing i thought of tbh
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And what exactly is she going to do with the girls?
Neutering or spaying would be the easiest solution (and good for the risk of mammary tumours in the females); not buying /more/ rats…
She planning on getting two double critter nations? Where's she going to put them both?
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While I agree with you, she said she was going to neuter the males.
I'll believe that when it actually happens. Also she said "might" so knowing Taylor's time schedule, these rats will be dead before then. Neutering and spaying is super beneficial for rats. With males it can help with hormonal aggression, sometimes completely eliminating it and with females it greatly reduces their chances of tumors if done early enough, though results vary of course.
Honestly she's better off spaying the females because they have better health benefits. Honestly I'm just rolling my fucking eyes at the fact that the rats weren't sexed properly, I had a feeling this would happen and it would be an excuse to get even more rats. Wonder if she'll try and get something a bit fancier, though I'm still convinced she won't be able to make it onto any good breeder's wait list. She'll probably just go get another feeder rat.
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God I hope not. I love Shane, but he tends to show the subject of his series in a sympathetic light, and he’s too easily swayed. As is, people with legit concern about Taylor’s care are painted as jealous haters. I feel like A Shane series would make things even worse and only grow her following of 12 year old stans.
…So hire an editor?
It's honestly such a dumb excuse when you have people working with the same and worse health conditions than her.
The people complaining are her consumers so yes… they can be annoyed and what have you not because they may as well be paying for her lifestyle and pets lmao
Someone asked about getting an editor and her excuse was her videos would not be the same cause "she takes her time to put her own style"~
Aka. Edit all the bad angles, stupid shit she says/does,etc.
Shane is the stupidest person I have ever seen, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up working with Taylor, he already defended Tana.
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Searching on Google things isn't education you cow
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So many layers because you can't keep your lies straight. I'm rolling that she can't comprehend why the breeders are upset with her, she told so many lies from saying "there were hundreds" of dragons at the expo and then saying the tail was broken - no matter how you look at it, she painted the breeders as neglectful.
Taylor, you're dumb.
Right? Yet again she can't keep up with her own lies. You can't go around saying the animals were malnourished and cramped (ie neglected) and expect the breeder to not react. It's straight up slander. She's such an idiot. She didn't even know what breeder she got it from.
'there's so many layers'… Yeah, most of them being your lies.
As usual she wanted to try and seem knowledgeable on genetics.
It was implied that Goose had megacolon, but if this was the case it would likely already be obvious as he wouldn't be passing feces. Very sad she's keeping him alive he does indeed have megacolon - he's going to suffer.
Only Taylor is allowed to slander people and be immature online, anyone else that does it is unprofessional!
Also wasn't the breeder talking about it in a CLOSED Facebook group? That's hardly "public". Pretty sure he tried to contact Taylor and told her to take down shit from her social media and she ignored it. Now she's upset because the breeder basically said "fuck it, she isn't listening" and is being more outspoken about this matter. Taylor was more than happy to talk about it, yet they can't tell their side of the story? Scared of being caught in your lies, Taylor? Also why is she surprised they are talking about her in facebook groups. No matter what she wants to believe, breeders usually form a community in their local areas and do warn others about unpleasant customers and experiences. That's not unprofessional, it's spreading awareness of shitty owners and people.
Her entitlement is mind-boggling.
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Just found this but the tweet she was replying to is gone, so yes she has mentioned them.
..But she did exactly that. She said that the breeder was selling a ton of these animals and she did the vigilante thing and supported him because Twisty looked sick. >>689222
He's handling it publicly because she is. Go to any review site where negative reviews are left (especially those that include live animals) - breeders will try to get to the bottom of the review or discredit it because it's a bad name for them. These people are running a business but are also looking after animals… so yes reviews bashing them like she has done are serious and breeders have all the right to respectfully call her out when she doesn't make any contact with them.
I cannot wait till she fucks up so bad a breeder call her out for all her shit and her stans will have no effect on anything because chances are, the people following breeders know way fucking more than some 12 year old kids.
Wouldn't surprise me if the breeder is not that good anyway.
When you label a morph something it isn't - you either don't know your shit or you're targeting an audience that doesn't know their shit.
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A fan of hers comment on one of the tweets already deleted
" Why is he implying Twisty isn't one of his animals, then from who is it? How is possible he doesn't know which animals he sells"
She keeps pushing the narrative that Twisty is from South Texas Dragons. Whom they have a fb page where you can leave a review, if STD was indeed the seller, why she never reach out to them first or leave a comment?
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looks like she's ready for a long night of hooking lmao
jokes aside, she has zero style. what even is this?
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Why are Taylor's fans so stupid? "Better luck next time"? When someone says "hey I didn't breed that bearded dragon stop saying I did", don't be stupid and sassy. You just look like an idiot.
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Mushu’s tank. Does anyone see a chiller? It can’t still not have one…right?
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At first I was joking, but looking at her twitter, they also use the same kind of apostrophe which seems unusual + Jen is active atm. I actually wouldn't be surprised if she was posting here and that is pretty sad
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Her fans are seriously giving the guy who didn't even breed the damn thing bad reviews
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Where she was claiming it was in a container with hundreds of other babies.
I feel so bad for Joe/South Texas Dragons. To have a 21 year old, drugged out dimwit try to ruin your business reputation because she's too proud to admit she has no clue
who she got Twisty from, is sickening. Not only that but she's allowing her flying monkeys to attack him as well. How can this many people fail so epically to follow a simple timeline of events or see through her blatant lies?
Joe politely reached out to her back in JULY, along with the actual breeder. It's fucking September and she wants to play dumb about who the breeder is? To say nothing about all her fluctuating lies about the sex, morph, amount of beardies, the conditions they were in at the expo.
She is downright malicious at this point. She's inciting her minions to further slander innocent people. How are there no consequences?>>689254
It's MESSY because lying is hard and she sucks at it.>>689404
These cages are so small and over priced. And none of them hold substrate for burrowing.>>689507
Her mouth looks more fucked every time we see her.>>689534
This is awful. Her stans are mindless drones at this point.>>689520
Look in #17 near the top. There's a bunch of screenshots from tumblr from the breeder.
Okay so looking back at this is extremely interesting, it seems like she was sure there was something wrong with the beardie even though it was definitely his coloring, because of what the breeder gave proof of (Twisty's dad's tail). SHe might have wanted
there to be something wrong so she can look like a savior.
Would it be surprising to anyone if Taylor has some kind of munchausen by proxy thing going on with her animals? This is kind of what this situation look like…
This would also explain why the first vet suggested she not do anything.
There was nothing wrong with Twisty as evidenced by the breeder and anons. (tails can be dark and slightly bent)
Is the case cracked?
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Far left is image she posted today on twitter of her satanic leaf tail gecko trio. The other two images are from May/thread #12. In today's image I don't see a gecko with a wavy tail, nor do I see one with red eyes and white speckles.
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The longer you look at it the worse it gets
Jesus fucking Christ. This is so disgusting.
I'm messy af but I would NEVER put any kind of trash or random shit on my animals enclosures, does she not have any respect for them at all?
I don't want to know what her life looks like if she thinks this is ok to show online.
Also, that cage is still completely barren. All I can see is ONE coconut hide in there.
And now Goose has to live on his own after all because she's too dumb to sex a rat.
It's super easy to sex a white bellied rat because you can clearly see their nips too.
I have so many questions about this. Where is she housing the other rats while they’re separate ? Is she not concerned about the rats pulling shit in that they shouldn’t? And what are those yellow pill things aren’t they Jonny’s? God forbid they get ahold of those.
And honestly it looks like goose is at the top to hide away from the cats
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I think this is about tay tay
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Fans seem to be leaving bad reviews on Google too
I just watched her old axolotl video back and she has a fan on top of the tank to cool the water lmao and states that she wants to avoid buying a chiller at all costs
Also kek when she actually used to make useful videos
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Let’s see how Taylor spins this apology video
Anonolotl here again. Those fans only reduce water temp by maaaaybe five degrees. I can't believe she has this poor creature stewing in Texas heat plus being above a dishwasher. There is no way Mushu isn't way warmer than she should be, even if Taylor has the AC on in the house constantly. To keep the water under 70, she'd have to have the AC set to about 65 or less.
Also, if Mushu is warm, she needs to be fed more than normal. No wonder she's eating a whole huge earthworm every day, even as an adult. Mine is about the same size and eats probably two thirds of one of those about every other day. Still pisses me off that she doesn't cut up the worm, though. Feeding huge worms all in one bit like that can cause it to basically "go down the wrong pipe" and come out the hole behind the gills, which obviously stresses the animal out a ton. I had it happen once because I was dumb and didn't think. It's a bad time and the animal is clearly uncomfortable and trying to make it stop.
Yep, being too warm definitely would have sped up the fungus growth. That was really an inexcusable thing for me. Sometimes, sure, it's hard to see fungus on the lighter colored ones AT FIRST. But with Mushu being melanistic and how bad it got, she should have seen it right away when it was STARTING to grow. Checking their gills is something that should be done regularly anyway. It's generally a good indicator of their health and stress levels.
Earthworms regularly are fine. Usually owners try to mix things up a bit and offer other things like bloodworms or pellets in addition, but they'd be fine with just earthworms. Can't really see the shape of Mushu's face from those pics so if you have more, please post and I'll check it out.
God I just went back and rewatched the video where she "cures" Mushu's infection and I didn't remember this but WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING PUTTING IODINE IN THE SALT BATH. Iodine is what is used by awful fuckers who try to induce metamorphosis, which is abuse and cruel in my opinion. Absolutely SHOULD NOT be using iodine. She also advises against fridging and says it like it's crazy that people recommend that, but fridging and then doing a salt bath is a fairly common regiment.
I'm still not convinced she knows what cycling a tank is, but why would she not be able to move the cycled filter media from the biocube to the new tank and have it be cycled nearly instantly? And save her fish from the stress of being moved back and forth from wherever her "friend" to babysit them is?
Also love how the question was about the mantis shrimp not the rest of the tank, and she didn't actually mention the mantis shrimp in the answer, lol A+ reading comprehension, Tay.
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Thanks for the info, anon. I went back to look for Mushu pictures and it's sad to see, imo. I'd be interested to know if these are normal changes during axolotl growth or if they're signs of health decline.
#1: Jan 2016. Mushu is still quite young. Her skin, mouth, etc looks pretty good to me.
#2: not sure when taken but has white spots and the side of her mouth looks kind of weird.
#3: Post fungal infection. Her mouth/lips look nothing like her baby pics. Really skinny.
#4: Her face looks like it's covered in scars or fungus.
#5: Pic from earlier. Her top lip is kind of like a beak, still covered in white spots.
Also, in #2-5 her eyes have a…crustiness? to them.
#1 looks like a fairly normal young axol. She came in fine condition.
#2 I had to go get nose-to-nose with my boy to check. He's very excited now because he thinks he's about to get a second meal. While mine does have a bit of a lip and that's normal, Mushu has some really pronounced jowls. I googled and while 99% of responses are "see a vet", in more extreme cases, it seems to be believed to be a sign of a bacterial infection. So poor Mushu may have been swelling up and holding fluid in her face because of that. Which, if you look at all that garbage in her gills and that weird hazy white patch on her side, you can see the fungus clearly. Also, the way she's holding her gills would have been a red flag for me. See how they stick right up and out in #1 but in #2 they're limp and bent?
#3 Definitely looks underweight here. You can tell when an axolotl has a full tummy when their body is the same width as their head. You'll also see that in all her post-infection shots, her gills are shorter than they were before. That means it got really, really bad. But her mouth here looks a lot closer to what I'd say is normal. That bump is still there, but it at least decreased quite a bit and looks less like a pocket of fluid.
#4-5 Yeah, I've wondered about the yellow spots on her face too. From what I've found, it's likely to be some sort of scarring. The interesting part to me is that it doesn't seem to be present until the infection set in, which makes me think it was initially caused by that. Developing new marks as they age/grow isn't unheard of (I went from a mostly-clean leucistic to a VERY 'dirty' one with a little raccoon mask of freckles) but the timing makes me wonder. You can see some yellow speckling in the infection pictures, then more pronounced in #3 after she's cured, and then the spots seem to be growing as she grows. That tells me that those were infected spots, then when she healed back up, they healed the "wrong color" and now they're permanent discoloration. I shudder to think that might be related to her using Iodine. I mean, that's just an assumption, but iodine is yellow and if it got into the new, vulnerable flesh…
The rough-looking,, metallic ring on his eyes is fairly normal. Called iridophores. Sometimes they're in the eyes, sometimes they're in patches or in the gills. If you look at a fish's eyes, they do the same thing sometimes. As far as I know, this isn't a sign of anything bad.
The delay in the response here was because I felt a need to go to a water change for my baby boy after looking at Mushu. No joke.
Aka it won't be an apology, just a shitty way of defending her actions because she "was confused" and "didn't know".
If we get a sincere apology, then sure, case closed but it'll just be a length process of her defending her actions in multiple ways.
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You know what? I used to laugh all of Taylor's antics away to a certain degree. Bad pet keeper? Yes. Hoarder? Absolutely. Abusive as a result of bad care - but not "really" on purpose? Totally.
But this? This is downright sickening. I hope Goose manages to get to those pills and saves himself from worse long-term abuse.
+ why the fuck can't she just look at her animals through their cage windows. Swinging these three around on a branch with literally nothing to save them if they fall or get spooked and jumped. Genuine animal abuser for views.
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The one with the wavy tail is Mara, seen in >>690107
and the middle and right photo here >>689713
and the photo I've attached is also of Mara.
Not trying to wk but this isn't hard to find out. The waves are clearly just more noticeable from the sides.
It's honestly amazing seeing people talk about something they know/have researched because Taylor would in no way know any of this. Most keepers - especially when it comes to reptiles/fish it seems - will be reading up on their species pretty consonantly just so their animals live well, they will probably google any odd behaviour or ask other keepers about it. She doesn't do any of it.
Remember when she laughed about Cheese always 'begging' for food at the surface of the water and someone replied that it's technically a bad behaviour or whatever? She seemed to have laughed it off rather than being 'oh wow that's amazing' which is what I feel would be a normal response, even from someone who may not keep/be interested in fish.
We talk about the lack of interest she has about her animals a lot but god damn…
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