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Last time on the "Yep, same shit as always…" Edition…
>Jared returned Heidi's games, but instead of dropping them off he decided to splurge to mail them (so much for not having money anymore)>Jared was really salty about it on stream afterwards, whining about having had to "spend money to be left alone".>Jared continued the tragedy of his horrible, horrible fashion choices. So many horrendous looks.>Jared used the excuse of "an instagram glitch" to whine about the drama some more.>Jared and Holly got trolled hard with concerns about "wife".>Heidi did witch-themed crafts for Halloween on her store, simps declared "SHE COPIED HOLLY", who owns every patent and copyright on witches ever.>Jared fished for sympathy again talking about how he feels no one likes him.>Holly fished for sympathy asking why people still follow her, complaining about lost followers and lost subscribers.>Holly also published mean DMs for more sympathy-fishing (why even have them open when you're controversial??)>Simps kept on simping, simps kept "But heeeeeeidiiii"ing, world went 'round>SadOldMagician opened his yapper a bit too wide and started saying Ross was just as bad as Heidi. Oop.
Quick Synopsis of PigeonGate:
>Jared "the Wormdick" Knabenbauer was a semi prominent personality on the gaming side of youtube. He was involved in many communities such as NormalBoots, Game Grumps and Dice Camera Action as a member of the D&D campaign "Waffle Crew". >In May 2019 he released a tweet saying he and his wife were separating and to give them space…except he hadn't told his wife and had her blocked the entire time.>His then wife Heidi O'Ferrall proceeded to reveal to the public he had been gaslighting and abusing her for years, and in the twist no one saw coming, was cheating on her with his DCA co-star, previous cosplay juggernaut Holly Conrad.>It was revealed through internet sleuthing she had also been cheating on her husband Ross O'Donovan of Game Grumps fame before their divorce. Although it was at first amicable, the joint tweet discussing their separation has since been deleted and Ross refuses to hardly utter her name. >Holly checked herself into a mental hospital from being cancelled too hard>Fans came out of the woodwork revealing Jared to be a sexpest who had been soliciting nudes for years, some of which were underage.>Holly came back to throw herself to the wolves by trying to equate her suffering at being cancelled as to Etikas suicide (didn't work, she got dragged harder). Jared went into hiding to try to salvage his image. >Jared released a video, "You've Been Lied To", to youtube detailing the "true events" and successfully manipulated his way back into his fans good graces. >Heidi spoke her truth on a regular basis and stuck to her guns, and Holly tried to mental gymnastics her way into everyone loving her again.>Jared and Holly moved in together and continue to this day to baww about Heidi being an evil witch and being cancelled including releasing a shirt saying ~CANCELLED~
For More On Holly Conrad's Dubious Past:>A History of Holly: >>838840 (Source: PULL)
Links to the Clowns Involved in this Circus:
>Holly Conrad/Commander Holly:https://www.instagram.com/commanderholly/https://twitter.com/HollyConradhttps://www.youtube.com/user/CommanderHolly
Do Not Bother Ross O’Donovan>Game Grump and animator
You May Support and Subscribe at: >Ross O'Donovan/RubberNinja:https://twitter.com/RubberNinjahttps://www.youtube.com/user/RubberNinjahttps://www.instagram.com/rubberninja/
Image Credit: >>1038655
Previous Threads (The ProJared Saga Begins):
Reminder from Mods:>Subjects have to be 16+ to be discussed on lolcow. Do not include Holly's 15 year old friend’s face or social media posts here. >This is also a reminder that cowtipping is also against the rules, do not contact the girl or her parents because of her relation to Holly.>Keep whiteknight posting to when they actually spill milk.
I know, I am ashamed of my goof up.
For the thread's sake, and next thread starter, remember to grab this!>>1040699
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I mean, doesn’t IG do the same as FB, showing you more of what you’d like to see based on what you’ve looked at? Maybe he needs to stop being horny on main, lol.
I noticed that as well. He really seems to have a thing for redheads that look similar to Heidi, doesn’t he?>>1079315
Yeah, it’s amazing to me that so many people still do watch his videos. I don’t want to be watching content from a sexpest.
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Still looks like a narcissistic sexpest to me.(nitpick)
That haircut is absolutely horrendous, it's showing way too much skin on the right side, like there's a serious indent there and his hair just is gone. The eyebrow muscles look outlined like some cartoon character, and his goatee is more like a donut or a coffee ring staining his face than facial hair. He looks umkempt with the fuzzy hair all over the right side of his neck, like a rotting fruit, and his skin has this yellowish sheen to it that makes him look jaudiced.
>"I worked with my stylist to give it more volume"
yeah, good luck with that haircut when you're balding, Jared
(and why did he tag this shit "seattle")
I think it’s the opposite. If he wanted to wash his hands if his oversexed image he could simply not bring these subjects up, but he can’t help himself. He wants to talk about nudes and porn and sexy cosplayers but he knows that he can’t do so as openly as before without getting backlash, so he does it in a roundabout way.>hehe guys don’t send nudes to my business account hehe
Most YTers/streamers/influencers don’t talk about nudes at all, especially if they have even a hint of an underage audience. They avoid the topic as much as possible and the decent ones probably just block and ignore sexual DMs. Jared on the other hand really likes talking to his audience about being horny and getting nudes and it’s probably killing him that he can’t be as blatant about it as before.
Agreed. He continuously makes reference to his fans being horny and offhand comments about sliding into DMs that make it sound like he's missing his SinJared days. They could easily read as an invitation to some people. It's like a druggie joking about doing a hit of something out of nowhere… unless, ya know, you want to wink wink.
He's claimed issues with sexual addiction in the past so he could be getting back into his old groove. Or, at the very least, not saying no to nudes. Him divorced, who would care that much unless minors were involved (besides Hoelly)? He has to have learned to be careful about age.
Speculation of course. He could be genuinely joking but old habits die hard. like >>1079319
let's pretend recommendeds are totally random. Seriously, why bring attention to it?
Just as an aside:>He continuously makes reference to his fans being horny
Literally everyone who is on Twitch and Twitter says this, it's currently memeculture so surprisingly it's not that deep. Really, watch any streamer who plays games that aren't fortnite and shit and you'll hear "horny" 'horny jail' etc, especially by chat depending on game content (for example Yakuza currently is a hot topic.)>>1079319
I tried this with a new account, fresh connection and different device even through a VPN, and it shows me what's "hot/viral" and most are women and dogs/dumb viral shit pushing "reels" or whatever. I searched up neither and have no followers/following on that account.
I had a friend share a post of something off their timeline, a cosplayer, and clicked on it, didn't interact with it (other than view) and bam..e-thots everywhere after refreshing the page. So if he's EVER looked at Heidi's stuff in the past the algorithm already tied this kinda stuff to him, simply because "cosplay" and "aesthetics" these days tend to be this kind of stuff. So it doesn't 100% mean he specifically searched it up, it could be residual shit. If you use Twitter or FB you should know it can immediately toss things at you that you never even looked at before simply because you came across it at one point in time and that's only if Ads slip through.>>1079807
Depending on thread though, people find it nitpicky/annoying and not really milk when you have to twist something that isn't negative into a negative.
"we're just here to laugh at them"
>post that laughs at Heidi
"But she's a queen and awesome, not to be laughed at! Her clothes that look like a child's pajamas are honestly really cool looking and perfect"
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The shorter hair brings way more attention to his fucked up hair line. Why did he think this looks good?
Look at how he dresses.
He's just naturally tacky.
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Idk if this was posted. "I have never shared anything they didn't want shared"
It's still pretty weird sadold jokes about Ross being the abusive
one. Didn't Ross in the past say that he was drawn to controlling women?
so he’s admitted that he had the ok from hoelly and wormdick to start shitting on ross and saying him and an “unfixable abuser” deserve eachother despite him saying he didn’t want to be dragged into the shitstorm from the very beginning. so kind of them uwu
also it’s funny he’s so scared of the backlash he’ll get from stans on twitter that he can only say this shit on tumblr. they’re playing a dangerous game trying to start a smear campaign on ross knowing how many people adore him
It has to do with the way he was raised by his mother. This happens a lot to people who have fucked up relationships with a parent. Lets not call victims
weak for being manipulated.
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Again treating a friend better than his own gf for their birthday lmao.
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Yep. Guess we can't accuse the guy of not having a type.
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He could never afford to bang her though since I doubt he can afford the flight to Australia to show his dick in person, and I doubt she'll want the embarrassment of flying to Seattle to give him a pity fuck.
I can post an entire list of white girls with red hair that looks the same, I get what you're trying to say but it's like pretending many asian women don't look alike. It's not that weird.>>1080868
Probably, NONE of us know any of these people's private lives as much as we want to pretend we do. Obviously when drama starts up you don't want to start dragging others into it, why do you think jared's editor bounced and none of us knew who she was until AFTER the fact?
True, a lot of white girls with red hair look the same. But if Heidi was just so abusive
that he and Holly were terrified of her, one would think he wouldn't willingly associate with someone who could be her twin.
Considering SOM claims that he didn't know any of these people personally before the drama broke, it reads as Princess Holly Do-No-Wrong (love the nickname btw) filling him full of whatever makes her look like the victim
and everyone else the bad guy.
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Do yall think he understands that this post could be read just as much about him and Hoelly as it can Heidi? Lolll
"Dont trust how people act and what they say, the could be abusive. Not me tho"
That last line is a LOT. > If you only know someone platonically you might not know them at all.
Coming from Jared? I -
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i was scrolling through jared’s (heavily moderated) comment section from his latest video and spotted this
he’s totally only ever targeted an 18+ audience though guys!
That's heavily anecdotal though. Most of my folks in HS were amazing people I miss every day because we grew apart as we got older.>>1081821
Using more than 2 braincells you'd understand it's referring to approachability and someone you know you can have a convo with.
Maybe this will be easier for you: Have you ever talked to anyone in their 40s+ and see the SEVERE disconnect with today's world? Let alone having to teach them anything?
So it's really not a bad comment or something worth digging into.
i genuinely don't get it, especially because he's never met ross. like i get some people didn't like the "i'm just a troll / gamer gremlin" persona that he leaned into for gg and steam train. but when you catch his twitch streams now, he's super chill and laid back, gives good artist and creative advise while streaming mario maker, vr chat or creative stuff. like ok, you don't like the version he played but unless you know him for real, dude is legit really low key and is squeaky clean drama wise.
oh wait! he has that one story of shitting himself while shopping in china town. i guess that can be his drama.
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Such a class act
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Makes me wonder if she didnt want to be as sexual as Jared pushed her to be. Reminds me of in Heidi's stream when she said that reading their messages made her realise he is just as bad to Holly that he was her. Ignoring messages for days, giving short disinterested responses, etc. Maybe that was his punishment whenever she wasn't falling over herself to pretend to be sexual to please him
Wasn’t she supposedly asexual before all of the DCA stuff anyway? I’m not surprised she’s posted something like this. It seems to me like she can only really think about getting sexually/romantically involved with someone only if it involves her characters. Ross with ME, and now Jared with DCA. Since DCA got cancelled, maybe now the magic is starting to fade. >>1082121
Yep, probably so. He’s just trying to get a reaction. Or he’s putting out a not so subtle message that his DM’s are open, lol.
This might be the start of Holly's "Jared was abusive
to me but only me because I'm special and always fall into abusive
It does line up with the SadOldCuck hinting that Ross wasn't the husbando the majority assume he was, but >>1082239
wouldn't be surprising. Even if she does not accuse ProDick of being abusive
she may be setting herself up to look like the poor victim
who just couldn't say no and should not hold any accountability for the physical relationship between them.
Sagin' for speculatin' but if their relationship comes to an end and they announce it, it will draw a lot of attention and require the Lord's PR team to let it rest. Someone will be blamed for the relationship ending (even if it's advertised as amicable). That can't be Holly. She's so fragile, so vulnerable, such victim
or it could be #notthatdeep lol
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Weird how she says she was just caught in the crossfire. Like let's be real she was full on canceled, Heidi literally @ed her from the start
My theory is that Jared is super douchey about being a victim of the drama and whenever she laments her own cancellation he snaps at her that she has no idea what it really was like to be truly canceled
What i find interesting is that she said false assumptions
, not accusations
My bad anon. The way she said she lost everything makes me think her and Jared are on the rocks and she is regretting a lot. I wouldn't be surprised if this is her planting the seeds of her victim
story for when her and Jared break up like >>1082250
She's not wrong though surprisingly, even here on lolcow people went (and continue to go) off the rails on speculation and spinning anything into a negative. Neither are good people but think about how literally anything they do is seemingly nefarious in intention down to the way they choose to dress is somehow a plot.
The whole "cancel culture" thing does get people caught into it simply by association, look at how people tried to cancel PBG for being friends with Jared and how they tried to throw Jontron into the middle of it despite being ABSOLUTELY unrelated to everything aside at ONE POINT being a part of normalboots/Gamegrumps.>>1082412>but there are steps you can take to ensure that you don't fall into bad relationships
While I know your comment was mostly to dig at holly, it's actually not that easy to "avoid" that kind of situation depending on how deeply rooted it is, as you may easily trust someone who seems "right for you and not abusive
" but they end up the most abusive
person you've ever met.
PBG was "cancelled" because of his tweets against Heidi without knowing the full situation. "If you don't know what's going on and it's not about you, then sit down and shut up" should be common sense but it's not
Jontron's 'involvement' in the drama was people pointing out the hypocrisy of Jared's behaviour, because when Jontron got kicked out Jared was like "begone racist evil!" but when Jared's under the spotlight suddenly he's an uwu victim
and as far as the abusive
relationships, yeah it's not easy if you have not gone to a therapist and have lower emotional intelligence. And I'm not saying that a person is dumb, but not aware of the red flags and the signs that someone is abusive
, beyond what they show you. I am sure Jared is looooooovely to Holly Con-artist, but if she can't see the bouquet of red flags in front of her, as a supposed mental health guru, who has apparently been to therapy and is advertising herself as someone emotionally intelligent, then yeah, it's on her
People get into abusive
relationships because they don't enforce boundaries. That's it. Abusive
people are more likely to trespass your boundaries whereas "normal" people will respect them, but if you reward the assholes by allowing them to be near you then you end up cultivating a vicious cycle of only letting abusers near you. And I don't mean boundaries like Holly's "boundaries" meme. I mean having an understanding of yourself and understanding of human nature so that you can recognize what is abusive
and what isn't.
I'm pretty certain Holly is love bombing Jared because he's a precious hurt little bird to her. She doesn't have the upper hand in this relationship, not by a long shot, but she is coddling and spoonfeeding Jared all her mental health phrases that he loves using lately. Honestly, take any post from Jared, and edit in Holly's profile picture and username, and tell me if you can tell the difference. She makes Jared feel validated, Jared gives Holly some minimum attention. Her relationship with him will always be tainted and they will never be able to forget that.
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Sorry for her birds and all but her dramatics are off the rails. People were threatening to kill her birds and now they're dying and she hasn't had a career in a year because she built said "career" on being likable and fucked it up. But of course she had nothing to do with that
Holly is going through this with her beloved birds and is clearly having another (understandable) breakdown and meanwhile Jared is… replying to sexy cosplayers. Gee, what a good guy.
"I didn't have any say or choice in" yeah I didn't think you personally asked Heidi not to call you out but that doesnt mean she shouldn't have. That's like a rapist whining over going to trial over a case they didnt have any say or choice in partaking in. Like if you're gonna be the other woman you gotta own up to it when you're called out, its hard to get people to feel bad for you when you're always whining that you had to say in being called out. Like yeah I'm sure you didnt want Heidi to find out or tell anyone, but you know what would be a good way of stopping her from doing that? Not fucking her husband and being a pickme
Dont get me wrong, I do feel bad for her and her birds. Its obvious she loves them alot and I hope they all recover, but not every fucking thing that ever happens to her is a result of the drama, and even if she thinks it is she really doesn't have to post her tinfoil theories
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Guys we have to stop pointing out her manipulation, she apologized for being human. Wrap it up, everybody
>>1084204>slept with a married man after the wife said no multiple times
"I didn't have a say in this scandal and I was just caught in the crossfire!!"
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Looks like lolcow is over guys, time to go.
I do feel bad for her birds, I don’t want to see animals suffer. But for her to say that her career got ruined because of a scandal that she didn’t want any part of? She is the other woman, I don’t know when she’s going to ever get it through her head that she was an active part of it all along. Sleep with a married man, and reap the consequences, that’s how that works.
If you dont want to be in a scandal dont do scandalous shit.
Jared did uwu reply to her being all sweet but idk its like… yall live together and are probably in the same room. Just go comfort her lmao. So performative
If he didn’t post it we would just laugh about how he totally ignores her. Phoney public words of affirmation are holly’s love language so, I’d say he made the right call posting that obviously coordinated shit. Knowing him, he probably drafted It between flirty IG messages with low tier thots. >>1084262
She knows nobody hurt her birds. Shes just Trying to guilt trip anyone who enjoys her histrionics by shouting “ARE YOU HAPPY??!! I bet lolcow LOVES that my birds are dying! It’s as if you all did this with your mean words!” Like, no, that does suck but maybe try not being a hysterical masochist in public for once in your life if you can’t handle the attention.
They were happy flaunting their affair during streams and at conventions and stonewalling Heidi whenever she tried to talk to Jared. They are both just mad they Heidi flipped the power dynamic they had built. They were happy with their fans worshipping them and didn't want pesky Heidi to disturb that. Imagine blocking your own wife from seeing the divorce announcement you are making about your marriage. This, after weeks of Heidi begging him to let her speak about their split since fans kept asking her why they weren't seen together in a while.
Like I said, they are just pissed they couldn't continue to stifle Heidi like they had already been doing. They thought they could since they are e-celebs and she wasn't.
>>1084217>any time i'm vulnerable it's a feast for them
because you never stop woe-is-me-ing holly and checking this place or taking solid advice we give on here. too bad she will never stop because shes a huge narc and a fiend for martyrdom. im starting to think the holly/jared defense force is literally her coming here and being triggered
by what we say since it's been confirmed over and over she reads what we say.
>>1084288>She knows nobody hurt her birds.
Exactly. I can't believe she even made that tweet. The levels she will go to to make herself a victim
even in coincidental unfortunate circumstances is astounding. What's happening to her pets is sad, it's also sad that she feels like she can't focus on that without spiraling into talk of the drama and blaming the internet for it all.
Sounds like it's starting to sink in that she might have felt pressured to sleep with Jared, not absolving her of any blame, but I noticed she isn't talking about how she was "Just trying to help a friend
in need!" or propping 'poor wittle Jared' up as a martyr anymore.
…Maybe after a year with Jared the blinders are finally starting to fall off…
I only feel bad for the birds themselves, and I already felt bad for them before since they’re owned by a pet hoarder. I don’t feel bad for her at all, she’s the one who got them all, it’s easy logic to figure out that lots of animals = lots of medical issues, and that only compounds when you keep them all in an enclosed space. Besides, it’s clear she’s extorting their pain for twitter sympathy points which makes me want to scream. I knew she was bad, but can you imagine whoring out your supposed-loved pet like that? Holly, this is why people don’t like you, not rumors, not “wrong assumptions” or whatever, it’s your ego and victim complex. And I hope she’s reading here so she can read this. It won’t ever sink in, though, of course. If it hasn’t sunk it for over a year, it never will.
Exactly. Heidi knew Holly socially. If I had hung around with me + my husband and a woman and her husband and she then had an affair with my husband, I would absolutely assign more blame than I would to a random girl he met online. I would absolutely put her on blast for that.
Part of that is you can kind of see how someone could compartmentalize their affair when they've never met the girlfriend and she just exists in whatever jared says. But Heidi was a real person to her and she still didn't give a shit.
Even if she TRULY believed Heidi was abusive
the answer to that would be for Jared to leave the house then break up with Heidi at a distance for his own safety.
I'm a casual reader of this thread but the fact every time I come in here she is STILL talking about this on the very platform that she claimed nearly bullied her to suicide is fucking insane.
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kek at jared regraming a monroe bergdorf post, another male that doesn't understand boundaries, especially with children on twitter. Birds of a feather.
>It emerges that the celebrity has a history of asking children in emotional distress to contact them online. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/munroe-bergdorf-the-nspcc-and-the-failure-of-the-media(derailing)
Careful there anon with >>1082124
she might start saying she was manipulated to have sex it Jared thus making it rape.>>1084415
My main issue with holly and her pigeons is that they're all wild animals and she doesn't have the proper licencing to be a rehabilitator. she owns them strictly as pets and keeps them in a small aviary for how many she keeps. Having them all in that small shack will cause more health issues since they can get each other sick.
she truly can’t stand that she can’t control what we say on here. i don’t even think it hurts her feelings, i think it just eats her up inside that she can’t get away with sending her orbiters here to harass people into silence and that we critique her and call her out on her bullshit freely. her “i’m human and mentally ill uwu” shit only works on her echo chamber and she hates that she can’t suicide bait anyone here into shutting up
i feel for her birds though, they’ve always been another way for her to feel in control of something helpless and now that they’re at risk of dying i think the reality is setting in that they’re not as well looked after as she thinks/she can’t afford to help them when they’re sick so she’s trying to place the blame on someone else despite it being her fault for hoarding a bunch of birds in a tiny kennel so that she could larp as her d&d oc
i hope they recover and that holly pulls her head out of her ass, stops blaming lolcow for all her problems and sends them somewhere where they can thrive
The thing I just can't believe is that she really blames "cancel culture" and the drama for her loss of income at this point and still doesn't connect the dots that her massive freakouts on twitter and in YT comments are what make her unemployable. She's doubling down on the thing causing her this problem because she has to tell herself she can't do anything wrong. If she's faced with being wrong, she either doubles down or starts her song and dance of "I'm sorry, will you leave me alone now?" or "my bullies and haters want me to apologize to an abusive
person but I will never say sorry for things I didn't do! I wasn't wrong!"
This doesn't seem like derailing? The fact Jared is following people like these is important. I didn't know who he was.
You guys have been inactive to all other derailing/rule breaking but turn up for this.
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this reminded me of pic related from an older thread. why doesn’t she go back to being a barista if she loved it so much?
like, I have never met a single living soul who actually enjoyed being a barista at a coffee shop. Not a single one. It was a job they could do, it was a subpar salary, and it was customer facing, which is hell on earth and I say this as someone who has been customer support and sales on the floor.
If Holly thinks having usernames on the internet say bad things about her is horrific, wait till she gets screaming customers, abusive
jerks, flirtatious creeps or cranky boomers. To her face. Not behind a screen. Not on "hate forums". Right there, right now, in front of her. Her fragile mental health couldn't take it.
I mean to be fair..Heidi likely said the same thing as she's poly, all she did was go with his bullshit of she can't be with others.>>1084638
Based on how our government refuses to help us? I don't have to imagine it, many of us are in this exact situation lmao.
I don't know what "truth" she's talking about though.
As clueless as she is, this tweet is from last June fresh off the drama. Peep the old profile picture (back when she changed it 3 times a day lmao) >>1084736
Wonder how well those pins would have sold without her guilting people saying the money made from them would go to her poor dying birds
Something about someone who lives with another content creator and has a successful patreon complaining about money and guilting people into buying their ugly pins doesnt sit right with me, especially during lockdown part 2 electric boogaloo
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Oh please. If you didn't want Ross to be attacked you wouldn't have implied that he was abusive. So much for the "Ross is supportive of our relationship" lie. Why people believed Jared when he said that while providing no evidence is still beyond me.
I'm sure Jared and Holly would be offended by this, right guys? Ross totally supported them through it all and is one of Jared's closest bros, right? Can't imagine why SOM wouldn't like a fellow Striath shipper
"Jared and Holly approve of and know what I say on this blog"
He can shut the fuck up. If he didn't want Ross getting shit, he would have kept his mouth shut instead of making sly comments about how awful of a person Ross allegedly is.
>"I kinda hate the punk"
Ross, the soft dude who cried a lot and slept on friend's couches after his wife left him to bang his married ex-friend, is a punk? Okay, sadold. Try to slander harder.
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Imagine being the kind of asshole who literally compares who gets more death threats
"Jared got WAY more!!"
Who gives a fuck?? Also love that he claims he never harassed Heidi, despite the whole bit of him having to apologize to Jared on twitter for replying to Heidi, but okay.
SOM is such a POS. We all know why he doesn’t like Ross, it’s because he absolutely drinks up everything Holly and Pedodick tell him. Holly’s butthurt because Ross still has a thriving career after trying to steer clear of the drama, and hers just keeps on sinking into quicksand. So she pushes the “THEY WERE ABUSIVE
” storyline wherever she can to gain pity points. >>1084990
He sure forgot really quick about the time he went at Heidi over some of Jared’s shit, didn’t he? What a hypocrite. No one should get death threats, but whatever Heidi’s supposed crime was, it wasn’t nearly as bad as Jared using his influence to prey on his fans in order to get spank material from them.
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Can’t stand the heat, get out of the fucking kitchen.
She was happy being an internet public figure, she decided to fuck her colleague, another public figure, who was MARRIED to yet another, smaller, public figure. She really thought Jared blocking Heidi would make it all go under the rug uh. They’re both ridiculous. I’m glad Heidi didn’t back down one bit.
I’m tired of internet hoes who are trying to achieve some e-celebrity status then whine when people treat them as such.
Obviously people are going to look at your personal life when you career is around putting your life on display.
And where and when did people even threaten anything to her pets? lolcow anons are cunt for sure, but we barely cowtip anyone, let alone would want anything to happen to animals. And is she trying to imply that her birds dying is somehow the fault of … her haters??
Even if I were a hoelly Stan I’d find this leap kinda concerning.
she's not well liked in those circles anymore. she was notoriously difficult to work with when she was on that cosplay show and there was a lot of drama WAY back then with a lot of the other people strongly disliking her. she burnt a lot of bridges with the emmy thing too because she presented it like she did everything and was the driving force/main creative when she wasn't. then she scammed Samara's voice actress and lost credibility as being reliable. Not only that but the entire situation was so shitty on her part that she's looked down upon a lot by that community.
Honestly, I'm not sure if she actually could get a job in the field anymore. I think that's why she leans more on her Wizard's connections. She's had too many scandals in the costuming/prop making community.
Sometimes I wonder if she doesn't focus on the affair thing SO intensely to hide all the other really nasty things she's done like suicide baiting over and over again, scamming a cancer patient, claiming other people's work as her own, claiming other's accomplishments as hers and hers alone, being toxic
and purposely starting drama in the cosplay community by spreading lies to turn people against each other, presenting herself as a mental health expert when she has no actual education or experience to reflect that, and offering really dangerous mental health advice to minor. Definitely seems to work to keep the focus on constantly talking about the affair.
Are you talking about this? https://web.archive.org/web/20190908001838/https://prettyuglylittleliar.net/topic/12725-holly-conradcommanderholly/
If so, to save you time in the future anon, you don’t need the archive link to get to the archive if you have the original link. Just paste the original url into archive.org to find the previous snapshots. If this wasn’t the link you’re looking for, please ignore my dumbass.
thank you, yes! that's it! I had tried to put the link directly once but it didn't work, I'm not great at archiving
the threads at the time were on /cgl/ and there are screenshots in the PULL thread, too
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sage because OT but this is from another cow's thread and I swear to fuck I thought it was holly at first
it’s crazy how in depth this summary is. i had no idea the scammed cancer survivor being mentioned was rana mcanear, or that the jessica girl from the older threads had scammed rana alongside holly and then went MIA the same way she did after getting backlash for trying to smear heidi’s name (alongside holly lmao)
also i know it’s such a nitpick but her bizarre hatred of blonde/redheaded women is so much funnier now knowing that not only did the character she got popular cosplaying get an update with red hair, but that the weirdo she’s obsessed over for god knows how long also has a very obvious preference for redheads
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Oh, I bet it gave Holly ideas all right, but not about the decor
(spoilered because it's nsfw art of striath)
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I had to delete again cause I forgot to spoiler, sorry farmhands.
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I didn't see this posted yet and wanted to add it for archive purposes. We sometimes make fun of Hored for Jared not supporting Holly. Here is a time when he actually did. It's likely in response to the recent emotional posts Holly made since the dates match up. >>1086227
PS one vote for that not to be the thread pic because spoilered thread pics are annoying.
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I won't look at the replies; Money says Hoelly stans like SadOld are just STEAMING and thinking that Ross is stealing nature from her.
I THINK the implication was that Heidi having the information of them cheating was her blackmailing Holly into silence about outting her as an abusive
monster. Like, Heidi was "blackmailing" her into not calling her abusive
publicly by holding the affair over her head. Which is hilarious because like she agreed to do it all discreetly until Jared went and blocked her and posted a statement without her input. But no, in their world she is a comic book supervillain who has an evil plan to expose the poor innocent Striath for their truwu love
Atleast that's the only thing I can think of that he would mean by blackmail
Which makes Holly's "I had no choice" lie all the more hilarious.
Heidi: "I won't talk about your affair and agree to keep the divorce peaceful if you don't spread that lie that I abused Jared"
Holly spreads lie about Heidi being abusive
Heidi exposed affair
Holly is shocked by this betrayal
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This was one of Ross's likes. Knowing how petty Holly is I wouldn't be surprised if this was the reason why she started feeding sadoldmagician the lie that he was abusing her.
Pretty sure holly, heidi and jared liked similar tweets too recently and got shit on for doing so..with the exception of heidi of course.>>1086842
By literal definition she was blackmailed by heidi, there's no ifs or buts about it, if you state you can/will/would release information if someone does xyz, you're blackmailing them into silence/being obedient, period.
Considering holly dug her own grave, no one cares but you cannot deny that's exactly what happened. Otherwise, there could be a lot more going on that none of us know about because we know none of these people personally.>>1086838>in order to get more pity Twitch subs from it.
Looking over his stats, he seem to be getting subs just fine like every other twitch streamer who does virtually nothing to earn them.
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Even kiwi farms, who were pretty forgiving of her up till now, are tired of her "woe is me crap".
>>1087013>"She was blackmailed by Heidi"
Oh get off of it - Someone saying "Don't spread slanderous lies about me being abusive
" isn't blackmail, it's just asking them to be honest for once in their life.
They were doing some real mental gymnastics and emotional abuse towards Heidi and she finally snapped. Admittedly (by heidi herself!), she could've handled things differently - but a person can only take their husband's whore lying about them being abusive
for so long before they start to swing back. Holly swung with lies, Heidi swung with evidence of Hoelly and PedoDick's lies.
I wouldn’t put it past her.>>1087019
Good on KF. Glad to see that others see past Hoelly’s and PedoDick’s BS.
By that logic you could say Holly was blackmailing Heidi by being like "say anything and I will out you for being an evil abuser"
Lets all just agree that there was no blackmail, just three people who knew bad things about the others. Was heidi supposed to just forget the affair so she couldn't be accused of blackmail? There was no blackmail, just a showdown of information.
I know people like to think that Heidi was behind everything including the pedo stuff but all she did was say that Jared cheated on her. It's not her fault other people came out of the woodwork to share their experience with Jared. She was just lucky that everyone else took her lead and outted him
But we know that it was Heidi who told Holly not to speak, not the other way round.
Just accept it was blackmail and stop trying to change the definitions of words.
Fine. Just feels weird calling it blackmail when it's literally someone being like "hey, please dont tell these lies about me to the public. If you do I'll have to tell the truth about what you did to me to defend myself" especially since Holly and Jared had a large platform that Heidi definently did not have. I'm sure she was scared, she lost her marriage, had to pick up everything and move, and had to live with the knowledge that at any time her husbands mistress could tweet her lunacy accusations about Heidi being a monster and send her large fanbase after her.
I guess I'm just having a hard time seeing Holly as the victim
>>1087069>But we know that it was Heidi who told Holly not to speak, not the other way round
No, there is no evidence of this conversation ever taking place. Neither has actually claimed this, either.
"Blackmail" implies that Jared or Holly had a personal secret that was their own business to keep private. Calling this situation "blackmail" assumes that Heidi had no right to talk about her own experience
that was incredibly devastating and life changing to her personally. You're basically making the claim that she OWED Jared and Holly her silence because it only pertained to them, and she was somehow wrong for sharing her own experience. But it wasn't their own private secret that didn't affect her. Holly and Jared were not entitled
to her silence.
Jared and Holly explicitly framed this as "blackmail" because they feel entitled to do and say whatever they want with no consequences or retribution. They're using this word to insist on their victimhood. It's all a part of their campaign to control what info gets out, and how people talk about it. "We were blackmailed" is their mental gymnastics version of, "we should be the only ones allowed to speak".
There’s a difference between retaliation and blackmail. I’ve seen no proof of any “arrangement.” The most we have is Heidi trying to get Jared to talk to her.
In terms of releasing shit, Heidi retaliated to the claim that their split was amicable with the truth, the claim that it wasn’t cheating cuz poly with more context, and so on…
for it to be blackmail, she would have said “you better stop or ill release the n00dz” and this didn’t happen.
That's not how blackmail works. It only has to be a threat of reciprocal action based on non-public information.
As an example: Heidi blackmailed Jared when she said she would ruin his career by releasing the information that he's a cheating piece of shit. She could have just gone public with it without the warning and it would not be blackmail or any other kind of manipulation. However, giving a threat with a qualification is blackmail.
Is she wrong for doing it? Heck no. Was it still blackmail. Yes, by definition. Does it matter that she did? Not really.
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Well, for once I actually
agree with something said on KF
deserves to come out on top in this particular situation!
He sure does, good for him. Hoelly must be seething. >>1086514
Yes, PedoDick is showing some support here, but it sounds like something anyone would say to any of their friends. I would think there would be more, considering it’s towards his supposed girlfriend.
This is literally just him trying to make her revert to backpedaling the second he noticed her on the cusp of coming to terms with the actual reality of her life. Classic avoidant behaviour where he neglects her for the most part and then when she shows any sign of disillusionment (shes super delusional to have come this far tho) he half asses some lies to feed her so she can scrounge some self pity enough to stay complacent in a shituation.
Classic avoidant anxious relationship which ends in the anxious becoming super bitter and the avoidant dying alone.
Also they were clearly sub-posting each other with that lame ass psuedo intellectual garbage about "we have been hurt, we need to heal" quotables on pastel backgrounds.
Youd think if lolcow and the ~internet~ was such a source of pain these clowns would get a damn diary
Also sorry if i saged wrong im so crap at this
HOlly + jaRED.
It's like Bennifer, Brangelina or Destiel.
Not to mention a HUGE hint: "you didn't do anything wrong"
because if she had… then it's another story. Holly "didn't do anything wrong"… to him
Jared is the one person I truly believe would be able to slap some reality into Holly. She is so deep in her delusion that she is "saving" a man who really, really doesn't need to be saved. He is fine. He is still thirsty, he's still got his platforms, he's still got his fans, and he still gets money, maybe a bit less than before, but enough to live by.
Jared never changed. But Holly is never going to realize that he depends on her to keep it that way. Two toxic
, shitty people found each other and all they have are each other patting on the back saying they are victims
of the world, while they ruined the relationships of those that cared for them.
And Jared will never, ever let her see that she really did choose poorly. Holly gives him buzzwords and mental health mantras to drown out the sliver of conscience he could have had. Jared gives his scraps of validation to a narcissistic, mentally ill woman who scorched the earth for him and nobody will touch her with a ten-foot pole online, all because they played a DnD game together.
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The one thing that continues to shock me is that people are shocked that he hasn't changed. That leafyishere tweet should have been a big hint.
That's just it (and fuck yall for making me agree with kf) - If Jared had just voted in a poll or something, nobody would be saying anything. The fact that he's going out of his way to make sexual jokes, to hit on women and tell them about the thirst? That says he hasn't learned a single thing from what happened and is just waiting for everyone to move on so he can go back to doing it again.
Hoelly went full scorched Earth and for what? A weird wormdick who may or may not be rubbing one out to nudes of minors that he abused his fame to solicit, fucking anything with a pulse that will hold still for five seconds, and condones her bird hording. You literally ruined any semblance of a career because you were….idk too cheap to go buy a good dildo. Jesus christ, that's depressing, Hoelly.
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There was a short Twitter thread where people were discussing cancel culture and someone casually brought up ProJared and this alt came out of nowhere defending him.
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People accused it of being Jared's throwaway but I think it's Galvin White again because this account was created the around the time he became inactive, about a month ago. And he uses the same language Galvin White used from that tweet Jared liked.
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This hasn't gone unnoticed either. As this guy noticed it too. There's another one that of course retweets sadoldmagician.
I don’t think Holly would actually be comfortable with an open relationship but she has painted herself into a corner. Jared has openly stated that he considers polyamory to be part of his sexual identity and they’ve called Heidi abusive
for not being 100% supportive of this, so what is Holly going to do? If she tells Jared that she’s not okay with him waving his dick at other women she’s being just as “abusive
” as Heidi was.
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Advice for Holly, for when she lurks here
I guess polyamory is alot easier to swallow when you're the other woman outside of the relationship. Once he is all yours you gotta be the Heidi, so let's see how it goes when the new Hoelly arrives and starts pushing her boundaries.
It's one thing to be okay with his totally unique LGBTQ+ identity of polyamory, but its another when he is publicly thirsting after hot cosplay/twitch girls, especially when she is going through a crisis with her birds. That's just embarrassing, he is straight up humiliating her but she doesn't care because he is Diath uwu
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I'm confused, wasn't she just begging her fans for money because she couldn't afford her birds? But the next day she's taking in more birds? Has the money situation been solved?
The bird hoarding thing is just indicative of her complete lack of boundaries or priorities.
She literally waddles around parking lots trying to catch random injured pigeons. These are not domesticated animals, they are not pets, and they have nothing to give back to a caretaker or to the world at large. They aren't suited for adopting out or releasing back into the wild. They're the bottom of the food chain, prey animals that would die if nature ran its course. But Holly insists on collecting them to "save" them from the natural cycle of life.
Then they live the rest of their useless lives as a drain on her resources. The pigeons don't even like her, they fear her (she has made jokes about how she's a "big kaiju" who stomps into the coop to clean it, which terrifies them). I'm sure she "cares" about them in the sense that it hurts her bleeding heart to see an injured pigeon hopping around, but there are literally too many to even have names or distinct personalities. Being a "rescuer" is a part of her identity and reputation, but it's debatable of it's actually helpful to anyone. She takes good care of them, but what's the point? So they can live a little longer in captivity? It's more of a feel-good vanity project than it is reasonable… so of course she's completely dedicated to it and prioritizes it over everything else in her life, including getting a job or producing anything.
if only five days ago she was struggling so hard financially and was concerned for her birds’ well-being, then what could have possibly happened between then and now where her birds are all fine again and she suddenly has room for another one?
i’m guessing her emotionally manipulative twitter sperg for pin sales worked and now she can backpedal and act like she wasn’t implying her birds were dying less than a week ago. once a scammer always a scammer
Oh yeah, that definitely sounds like Gavin White to me. Seems like he’s got a few alts to harass anyone who dares to say anything bad about PedoDick. I saw him say something about how he fights so hard for Jared because he had something similar happen to him, and I just roll my eyes. >>1087836
I thought the same thing. She was crying about money so hard, but she’s able to take in another bird that will potentially drain her of more money? Makes me think that her money problems weren’t as bad as she’d been making them out to be. >>1087884
The fan who came out to say that Jared fucked her and left her, supposedly sent screenshots/proof to Heidi. Being as Heidi was going through the divorce process, she was smart enough not to put that out there. So there is stuff that isn’t out there on the internet. Same with the stuff that Heidi pulled from Jared’s old phone.
Birds are not that expensive to keep/care for just like many "Rescue" dog/cats. When did she beg for money though (legit curious since her tweet storms pushes things out so quickly)? I know she mentioned her income was down and things are tight, but I'd sooner believe holly than most "big name personalities" telling you to go their patreon /onlyfans because youtube is paying them $13k instead of $13.5k because a few vids get demonetized.>>1087884
Probably not. Just words we have to believe from Heidi but no one else.
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What were you saying about birds not being expensive?
i’m pretty sure she either still has a case open against them or she’s unable to post them for legal reasons. i remember people nagged heidi to post the private messages a lot when this all started but seemed to forget she was in the middle of a divorce process where she had to provide proof that there was infidelity involved, so she’s probably not gonna be able to share those messages
she did post a shit ton of messages between her, her best friend, holly and also messages she had with her counsellor a few threads back that definitely give a better insight into the situation though
This whole post is wrong. Congrats newfag. >>1087894
She's such an idiot. She deserves all of this.
You’ve obviously never had pets.
And Heidi ended up getting alimony, to the chagrin of Jared’s defenders, so that ought to tell you something.
I’m reluctant to refer to that fan encounter as a good example because after Jared apologized to her and sent her screens, she ended up defending his case.>>1087895
I agree, there are hundreds of messages out there that we will probably never see, which is fine. I was just wondering if anon knew something I didn’t.
Washington law, it's illegal to share someone's texts or conversations like that without the consent of at least one involved member. Holly could share all her cherry-picked garbage because it was between Heidi and Jared, the latter of whom consented, but Heidi obviously wouldn't be able to get consent from either Jared or Holly to release those texts publically.
In a divorce case though, that's fair game.
Her smug faced profile pic is killing me with this text.
And why do anons always show up to rehash unfunny bullshit about Heidi whenever Holly's drama is getting good? I just want to laugh at Holly's crazy ass, I don't care about Heidi
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Kinda looks like she did ask for donations tho?
She did, but its heidi, so we have to ignore things like that.
(Ko-fi is literally a donation platform.)
it’s funny that even in the eyes of the law jared absolutely cheated while he was married to heidi, i don’t doubt for a second that he tried to use the “b-but we were poly!” excuse during the divorce process as well but whatever evidence heidi had in texts, photos etc proved that it was bullshit, she wouldn’t have gotten alimony if he was the innocent party out of the two of them
but his whiteknights would probably rather accuse the legal system of being gaslighting abusers than admit holly and jared are liars >>1087928
i truly believe it’s the same anon over and over again pretending to be unbiased but subtly pulling a “but heidi!!1” after almost every post in this specific thread lmao
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interesting that she’s started publicly throwing jabs at ross not long after her whiteknight got called out here for doing the exact same thing. it seems like she’s been encouraging the narrative that he was abusive behind the scenes like we’ve been speculating
Not to sound too much like a stan, but if her idea of an abusive
partner is someone who took part in her bullshit ego projects like HoC, helped shield her from the drama that followed, put up enough with her narcissistic bullshit to marry her, then helped rebuild her image by getting her involved in his projects, then sign me the hell up for getting abused by Ross.
The fact that he stayed neutral when he could have tried to go scorched earth after she cheated on him with Spoony Jr and didn't tells you everything about the reality of their situation.
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sorry for samefag and bad cropping, but gavin white is still lurking through the projared tag and pestering people, fucking hilarious that he’s calling them nobodies as if he isn’t
nothing says “i’m a somebody” quite like spending every single day butting into conversations amongst random twitter users to bully and harass them on behalf of two people who don’t give a shit about you
he’s also in another thread agreeing with people calling heidi crazy and talking about how he wants a psychologist to review the livestream she did a while back, he’s an absolute loser
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i’ll post it here for the sake of archiving. he admits he knows nothing about “psych stuff” yet happily feeds into the narrative that heidi is some unhinged bipolar abuser
but holly spergs on twitter about how online gossip forums are trying to kill her birds or has a meltdown over clown emojis and it’s radio silence from her stans
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idk who @fruityass21 is, but they're on a roll today!
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I love how this one's getting all riled up & running a whole thread of tweets responding to a tweet from a year
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can tell who was abused & who isn't!"
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…But of course Jared's audience is strictly
(I was wondering why this person had been on Twitter since 2009, yet writes like a tragically naïve 14-year old…
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Hey kid, that was the point
. Congrats for falling for it hook, line, & sinker.
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Hey, mom of 'Crazel', it's time to either take your account back or delete it, because your kid is using it to harass someone!
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Your child's obsession with this man is beyond concerning
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Seriously, this is not
they literally described holly in that first tweet, if this is actually a child they need their internet shut off
worse yet, they’ve used the projared tag multiple times in these rants and yet none of the orbiters who lurk the tag have said anything about it, just fuelled it
as long as they can spin their narrative they’d turn a blind eye to a possible kid becoming unhealthily obsessed with two creeps in their thirties
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Their tweets prior to >>1088057
are about multiple subjects, then once 'Crazel' supposedly took over it's been nothing but Hored vs Heidi crap.
Seriously, cheating-crap aside, the man was exposed for having parasocial relationships with his fans
Sadly, I think their probably a teen, because their tweets seem to fluctuate with intensity.
…And yet I keep seeing teenagers
go after Heidi on Jared or Holly's behalf…
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I don't get why Galvin White locks his main account to create another doing the same thing that got him hated in the first place, harassing strangers who don't like Jared. Well Jared liked one of his tweets so clearly he approves of this toxic behavior.
lmao dude actually went 'private'?
What the fuck did he expect after writing all that inflammatory shit???
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Sure did, just to run to his alt
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This user seems to just be vomiting the shit Jared/Holly stans posted a year ago. Like, they link the "truth blog", a tumblr that hasn't been updated since sept 2019 and not the bullshit blogs of sadoldmagician/heidiofans or something actually recent.
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I think he tried to use "this is my identify now" as an uno reverse when Heidi asked to close the relationship. That way suddenly Heidi was the abuser for making him change who he was and go against his sexual identity
This is also why I guarantee an open relationship was his deal with Holly. He seems too attached to the idea to let it go, and she is too attached to him to deny him any thing he wants.
They sure sound like it, yeeesh. But hey, remember that Jared’s content only draws 18+ viewers, everyone! /s
Whoever that kid is, they’re going to end up getting their account shut down due to harassment.
Holly didnt just ask for donations for her birds like Heidi did. If she did I wouldn't care like I dont care with Heidi, it's normal for people to ask for that. My problem is that she brought up the drama yet again for more sympathy points.
There is a big difference "hey my pet has an expensive vet bill so here is a dono link or a link to my business if you wanna help out" and "MY PETS ARE DYING AND MY LIFE HAS BEEN TERRIBLE SINCE THE DRAMA. PEOPLE THREATENDED THAT THEY WOULD KILL MY BIRDS AND NOW THEY ARE DYING. PLEASE GIVE ME MONEY" especially when less than a week later she is posting about her new bird
Besides, heidi has long since quit the influencer game and is focused on her small business and is living on a single small income, I believe her when she says she needs money for an unexpected bill. I have a hard time believing a moderately successful influencer who has a patreon, store, AND active twitch chat/donos needs help with a vet, especially since she lives with another moderately successful influencer (who is currently lamenting that he couldn't drop hundreds on a new console…)
I've said it before and I'll say it again: whenever Hored are lamenting about their finances it's because they cant live the same bougie lifestyle they used to. They are fine financially, they aren't losing their house or anything anytime soon. But now they cant go out to dinner every night and buy expensive niche witch decor and get expensive coffee at niche indie coffee shops three times a day, boo hoo :(
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This is a 30-something adult man asking for simp-style gifts. I would feel way less negatively if he asked for game suggestions that he hasn't yet shown with a place to submit suggestions but also offered a PO box where people could send him things. This entire trio is just the picture of unprofessional. They're a slideshow of everything not to do as a public figure or business owner.
Also, is he asking for stuff because Holly recently begged and got what she wanted and he saw that and wants it for himself, or is there a bit of financial difficulty in the Hored household?
Saying Jared reminds them of Rose Quartz is hilarious since most of the SU fan base thinks of her as a selfish abuser that seemed to have good intentions but only did what she did to fulfil her own curiosity. >>1088191
This. Holly comes off as those munchies that are always asking for donations for their medical bills and then they show off their haul of expensive rare collectors items. It's even worse since she has the means to have a more viable income but she keeps ruining her own chances by making most of her streams pity parties and doesn't do anything interesting.
I feel a lot of empathy for Heidi so I have a bias towards supporting her trying to work through trauma via twitter but she REALLY needs to find a healthy outlet because the comfort from venting is very fleeting. The people who criticize her here aren’t always wrong to-but unfortunately they have been childish about it and super reactive so they don’t end up making any good points or adding anything valuable.
I’m not gonna pretend like I find Holly likeable but she clearly has this need to feel “wanted” and to “fix” things. Birds, people, probably friends too. She clearly sees herself as a super good person and a helpless victim
when facing consequences. She doesn’t see her actions as anything but good intentions, like other anons said.
Could be the issue with Ross, he didn’t need her even though he loved her. Maybe they were toxic
to each other. My only impression of Ross comes from when he joins Vinny’s streams, so who knows.>>1088191> My problem is that she brought up the drama yet again for more sympathy points.
Even despite the money between both her and Jared if she was pushing for people to buy pins or whatever for a less important reason or just because she enjoys creating that’s respectable. Shame the self-pity has been working in her favour.
Good luck to her birds, regardless.
W E L P
I guess Heidi's games really were mainly props for him.
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there is a difference between just liking sexy cosplayer pictures and replying to one saying they are your thirst follow lmao
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Oh please. If you want the drama to be over cus it happened so long ago then why did you go out of your way to follow a blog made a year after the drama happened? And why do you continue to shit talk Holly and Jared's exes? If you cared that much you wouldn't answer any asks about the drama but you continue to do so because out of all the asks on your blog it's ones about the drama that get the most likes on your empty blog.
Motherf literally started his tumblr blog to get his business up into the drama.
Guess super-besties Hored are realizing he's doing them more harm than good and are pressuring him to stop.
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A lot of people don’t want to be talked about or have their lives poked at on LC. Even you are not leaving him out of it, posting about him and then saying he asked not to be involved in the same post.
What I meant was he wasn’t a “project” Holly could take on which wasn’t a dig that he didn’t measure up somehow. She didn’t feel important as “Ross’ wife” or whatever her excuse was for chasing the high of getting attention from an ugly, lanky nerd during a literal game that spilled from fantasy into a fucked-up real life situation. Instead of communicating properly, acting appropriately (or any other mature options one would expect from a thirty-whatever year old woman in a marriage) she decided to cheat, manipulate, lie, omit facts, and the list goes on.
Ross is a grown ass man, I’m sure he can handle being mentioned occasionally especially when SadOld can’t resist implying he knows something bad about “the punk” to prove he isn’t actually just a weird fan with a VIP hiking pass from Hored but TRULY a close friend who is confided in.
>>1088510>"Fuckin why does anyone care anymore"
Maybe because the one you're simping for brings it up every time she faces a negative consequence to her actions. Maybe because, over a year later, you're now trying to slander Ross to make him out to be abusive
when even Hoelly herself had admitted to being abusive
in the past.
"I just want to point out that the people who accused me are E-Begging! - don't you guys think that's pretty sus???"
1 year later
"Hey guys, can you send me some games, pls?"
-Makes Tumblr blog to keep talking about the drama, specifically to talk shit about Hored’s exes.
-Gets mad when people continue to talk about the drama.
Oookay, SadOldSimp. >>1088637
Yeah, this is just gross and pathetic. I don’t care how expensive GameCube games are now, don’t go begging your fans for them.
I don't think it's sad anon, she had good moments with her grandpa, but it explains her bird obsession. It also explains her weird savior complex on animals she clearly can't afford to take care of properly which isn't only harming the birds, but stressing herself out too
Instead of keeping things under control and caring for birds she can budget for and give them space she's just hoarding them and then begging for money. She's 1 person not a bird society, she doesn't have the space nor the money nor the equipment to be a bird rescue
Fixing birds won't fix her problems anon, no need to feel sad about it
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“I don’t know how I keep running into all these tweets that mention ProJared, my Twitter defaults to the search bar.”
Suuuuuure, Gavin White. Trying to pull the Boomer excuse.
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the full version is even funnier, this was in response to the user further up the thread who called him and the other throwaway accounts out for lurking the projared tag. this dude cowers away the minute he gets the same level of aggression directed back at him and tries to desperately backpedal, just like his best friends holly and jared
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People are actually donating games to him? Wow, WTF.
It's just a gross abuse of his e-celeb status (and before the stans come for me, I'd say the same thing about anyone else in a similar financial position as Jared). If you CAN afford the games, look 'em up and buy them your damned self; Don't ask your fans to not only send them to you, but to have to also pay the cost to ship them to you.
THIS right here is why I tend to think more of his collection belonged to Heidi than the stans want to admit, if dude is hardcore begging fans for their free leftovers. Then again, looking at his choice in things like women and games, leftovers just might be what he prefers.
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He has a (presumably) complete version of one of the most expensive DS games. I can understand a collector not wanting to part with something like that but if volume really is the goal he could get like 5 or 6 ds games selling that
sorry for deleting and reposting accidently selected the wrong snip
It really is. Just using his fans as usual, I shouldn’t be surprised by now.
I also believe that it’s pretty likely that Heidi owned more of the collection than what was presented.
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Not only is SadOldSimp modding for ProDick these days, but he's also apparently modding (or holding a higher rank? idk) for Hoelly Conartist too. Apparently him publicly slandering her ex is paying off with Hoelly.
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Heidi indicated that his collection was largely separate from hers.
Scarletmoth is the "anonymous" source that told petitiondan about Ross being the real abusive
one and who talked about how even though she is ace Jared talked her into sending him nudes. Kinda funny that Hoelly still has her clinging on, you'd think she would be intimidated by a more attractive woman who has sent nudes to her boy toy before
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Hored in a nutshell
You forget, Anon, that these are the same people who accused Heidi of initially coming forward for some kind of profit, but saw nothing wrong with Hored selling those bs "cancelled" shirts less than a year later.
"Standards are for thee, not for me" -Hored, probably
He can get fucked for his hypocrisy, but despite some being rare (maybe even holding sentimental value for the person gifting the games) it just seems incredibly the norm. Gamers love sending games to YouTubers, YouTubers in general use their fans for their own gain on the daily.
Am I annoyed he’s getting things he wants so easily? Yeah, it’s irritating.
Is it an abuse of power? Maybe, but it would mean every person who’s fanbase contributes financially or sends gifts because of parasocial relationships could be viewed the same light. If the only reason it’s wrong for him to ask for games is because he’s a disgusting, creepy abuser-I 100% fully support everyone being pissed off about it.>>1089071
Yeah, even despite him outright asking people instead of just getting them every now and then it’s because he said “games they don’t want anymore” which makes the difference here to me. There’s no emotional breakdown before it, and it’s not disgusting or taking advantage of anyone like how he was soliciting sex/nudes.
Other anons are right for saying he should have tried to buy the games himself first because he most-likely has connections he could use along with his own finances available to do so, but putting it out there is always worth a try. The whole “Asking your neighbour for a cup of sugar” thing, if you will.
Now that the divorce is done, can't Heidi finally release those texts/conversations she was alluding to between Whorey and Propeen? Or is there suspicion she signed an nda? If not, finally releasing that proof would be amazing to see.>>1088211
What a privileged fuck.
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lol hi sadoldmagician. This anon is too mad for it to be anyone else.
Holy shit, they really are just props and he almost got away with stealing the only valuable games in his collection from Heidi.
All the games here that stand out to me aside from well known Nintendo or Capcom ones were definitely no more than $10.
I've seen that Bratz gamecube shovelware game for literally $2 at pawn shops in recent years.
I'm unfamiliar with his youtube but I have trouble believing a grown man with a not satirical gaming channel would unironically play "Bratz Diamondz" and put it on display, kek.
Another spergy nitpick of mine is that quite a few of those GameCube games are PAL region only like Darkened Skye, which isn't a bad thing sometimes Europe exclusives are technically rarer but it means there's no way he was able to play them without importing a GameCube from Australia or Europe because it's a regionlocked console.
Darkened Sky is basically only rarer by default due to it's limited release but it's on ebay right now for 35$ so not actually rare or anything worth flexing about.
I don't know if I got good deals or not but I've seen the furry DS game with the chunky box Sola to Robo for 10$ or less second hand at EB games many times, not that exciting just thought it's kind of weird that he probably hasn't played more than 5 minutes of it so he has no clue so mentioning this is a reach but iirc it has lots of uncomfortable loli furry harem scenes with sexual harassment.
People always bitch about "fake gamer gurlsss" but I dunno, man. fake gamer guys seem more common or just as common.
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Sage because off current topic but I found this post on /r/DiceCameraAction that's hilarious in retrospect
They are discussing the idea of Heidi guesting on the show to play Diath's abusive ex lover
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"You're right, anon, she IS batshit crazy and evil!"
He went from saying that he believes Heidi and her friend are some of the main anons in this thread and saying that he regularly tells Holly to stay off here to being addicted himself lmao. He obviously compulsively checks this page as well as has notifications set for HOF since he replies to their posts the minute they go live. Dude is unhealthy obsessed with simping
>>1089360>Holy shit, they really are just props
Hate to show the "little man behind the curtain" but 99% of gamer youtubers/twitch streamers use their collections as props as they are literally just that: a collection, they're not to be played. This is why with AVGN even though he use prop versions for certain stuff he actually breaks out his collection FOR use for his video. He's one of the few of that does and it's not just sitting making the room look full.
>People always bitch about "fake gamer gurlsss" but I dunno, man. fake gamer guys seem more common or just as common.
It's because fake gamer gurls are in your face, plastered everywhere making money pretending to be gamers while obviously only there to jiggle their tits and shill their OF/Patreon more so than actually playing the game properly. "Fake gamer boiz" aren't really a thing in the same context.
Considering how obsessed he is with this thread, HOF thread, etc, sounds like SadOldSimp could stand to take some of his own advice.
“Most of the internet is on our side.” LOL. Maybe he needs to take a swim through Twitter like Gavin White and his alts do, he may want to reconsider that statement.
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the passion of their defense is laughable when you take a step back
"the two people with a problematic
history spanning a decade are possibly problematic
yet again? No, it's the ex-spouses who haven't had a single instance of drama who are wrong!"
>>1089436>calling someone batshit crazy and evil>signing off with concern about OPs mental health
So…uh you're "batshit crazy" if they don't like you but uwu mental health if they do. It doesn't work that way, empathy and sympathy for mental health is not a case by case basis.
Or…they are just calling Hedi crazy because that is their excuse for treating her like shit, when anyone who read her Tweets or saw her streams could tell how kind and sane she is? Yeah, it's the second one. Her only mistake was being too lenient with his pedo "body posi" nude accounts and "open" relationship garbage when he's just a sex pest.
Yeah but a collection that includes a fucking Bratz game and games that are region-locked for different countries makes is glaringly obvious they are just decorations, rather than games that even hold personal value or significance.
At this point he could just buy empty cases and print the covers off since they're only
Yeppp. People like Gavin White have also been pushing the narrative of Heidi being some crazed, unhinged person, so I’m not surprised that others have been choosing to do the same. It’s gross the lengths they go to in order to defend a sex pest.>>1089604
Right? It’s absolutely an abuse of power or whatever he has, efame or influence I suppose. The answer is yes.
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SOM: Move on from the drama! IT WAS A YEAR AGO!
Also SOM: -see screenshot-
Is it possible to get a notification when a blog you follow on tumblr posts anything? This dude is up HOF's ass within MINUTES of them making a post
Everyone is emotionally unstable at different points at their lives anon. I didn’t know that claiming that someone is probably not hysterical or batshit crazy is now considered WKing. eyeroll
SOM and Gavin White and whoever else trying to push that narrative ought to be careful, that’s stepping into slander/libel lawsuit territory.
Yeah you can set notifications on the tumblr app for when certain accounts post. SadOldSimp absolutely has them set for HOF.
He said he recently got a job working from home, I wonder how much of his work time is spent monitoring the drama
But Heidi yelled
at Holly on the phone! Being angry once means you're batshit crazy
but being mentally ill every day of your life means you're uhm…
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He was on Nickelodeon so he knows he has an underage audience. That and when people wouldn't send him nudes he would try to pressure them.
don’t forget her using a man’s suicide to rant about her own experience of getting spammed with clown emojis, or when her fellow dca member’s ex husband passed away and instead of paying respects, started manically replying to people criticising her and liking tweets about how “just being alive is enough uwu”
but heidi is super unstable and scary for yelling at holly once while telling her to stop trying to fuck her husband
Remember when Adam Koebel turned out to be a gross creeper too and she tried to gaslight the victims
and downplay the shit he pulled because cancelbaduwu and "it wasn't that bad I was aboosed for real"?
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Take your own advice SOM
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Is he just living in an alternate timeline where there isn't almost 1 and a half years of him bitching and whining about Heidi?
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we're not the only ones who noticed the two faced shit of SOM these days.
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TWC/HollyComrade pointed out how hypocritical SadOld is, got this shit in return where he continues to not see the irony.
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Imagine thinking other people should be more responsible for Hoelly cumrag’s mental health than she is.
Dont yall understand that you aren't allowed to critique people (unless they're Heidi)?!?!?!
Am I supposed to believe SOM didnt send this anon? Because I dont lmao, has his writing style all over it, as do alot of the submissions on HOF. Like it or not SOM you're the biggest dramatube fan here
HOF has at least two other named followers besides SOM. I'm sure they're somewhere in the list of people asking him questions. There's also the occasional obvious troll asks, but even SOM isn't good enough to get trolled.
Speaking of, at least HOF went on record saying that Jared's nude blog was a stupid idea. SOM won't even say that much. I think that's why HOF gets more people paying attention to his blog, he's the more sensible of the Hored stans.
Really? That's why they're so invested? Because they're literally self inserting themselves into internet drama?
If only it was just the cheating people would be way over this by now…but the predatory behavior, manipulation of fans, baiting low self esteemed girls with "body positivity" blogs so he could hand pick his harem, those parts were the actually milky parts.
Don't get me wrong cheating still sucks, but it's not the scarlet letter they think it is.
I think the issue some are having with this argument is you can't 100% correlate that no matter if you like or hate jared. Markiplier's loudest fans are female (underaged ones at that) but no one goes around saying he ONLY has underaged female fans because that would be dumb, so using that logic you'd say Mark only has under 18 female fans and him selling his "tasteful nude calendar" is peddling to underaged girls which should get him in a shit ton of trouble. "But markiplier is wholesome and not blah blah blah", doesn't change laws my friend.
So at the end of the day we should really drop what his fan base is/isn't because that's literally the weakest argument that can be applied to SO many youtubers/twitchers/tiktokers etc that do risque shit on the daily.>>1091277>Really? That's why they're so invested? Because they're literally self inserting themselves into internet drama?
While I can see the first point you made, (also not the anon you replied to), and I am also definitely not the target demographic either for a nude calendar or markiplier, I feel like the difference between those two creators is the insidious intent. Mark is not making videos for an underage audience, and he is within his rights to make a tastefully nude calendar for sale in his shop, but he's very clear about it: it's nudity, and it's for sale officially and not through a donation or some shady means.
Whereas I really don't like when creators are open and encouraging to ask or even accept nudes from their fans. Mark is willingly printing and selling the nudes in a way he is consenting to and there is a legal "on the table" monetary gain for him. The tumblr/snapchat nudes were consented to, sure, but there was no officiality to it, there was no receipt, no "proof", there was nothing to make this feel legitimate and safe. There is also no way to verify age short of the fans sending pics of their IDs or official documentation. While there isn't for the calendar either, you can at least have a paper trail of the transaction.
There is also Jared's direct transaction: compliments and flirting. Compliments and flirting when he liked how you look, a generic feel-good word when you were just "okay". That goes beyond an email confirmation saying "thank you for your purchase!" Mark is not right there looking at every person who bought his calendar and judging them on their appearance. If you were lucky enough you may even get banged, like unogirl. And even if you take screenshots, "oh they can be faked!" You can't even delete or hide your blog anymore because you'll be accused of lying. Which doesn't prove anything, because the blog not being there doesn't mean there wasn't evidence in the first place. It's like saying "well there's no body here, so there clearly wasn't a murder"
It's miles apart in how these situations are handled.
are you smoking crack?
you can’t compare a grown man selling lewd photos of himself above the table to a man soliciting nudes from fans off of a tumblr blog. the power dynamic is completely different in those scenarios: one is providing a product while the other expects others to be the product. I don’t even like markiplier (or any gaming YouTuber for that matter) but he didn’t publish the calendar with the expectation that his fans would reciprocate with their own nudes like Jared did with his blogs.
Oh wow, they sure are. And who would choose to cheat on their SO with a basement dweller like SOM? Yikes. >>1091348
Yeah, I do have a little more respect for HOF than the average Hored because they do admit that Hoelly and Pedodick did some things wrong.>>1091153
We all know that this is SOM sending an ask to HOF, it’s pretty easy to tell. If he really wants to be a good friend to Hoelly, then he needs to encourage her not to seek out this shit. Not attempt to censor people what they say on their own blog, or insert himself into drama only to create more drama.
you quoted the wrong reply anon, I am the post saying that you can't compare them because they are obviously different. Next time look closer at who you're quoting
I literally said everything you just mentioned lol
This is different. One is someone selling their lewds transparently and the other was soliciting nudes under the guise of “body posi” and then reciprocating. Come back when markiplier starts soliciting the people that purchased his calendar for their nudes.
And I’ll just say, markiplier is a fucking dumbass for doing a lewd calendar wtf is he thinking? Just reminds me of the women who have a platform and decide they’d get more money by starting an onlyfans. He’s fortunate enough to be a guy, he doesn’t have to sell his body!
Yeah, and don’t forget that PJ was not only expecting nudes as reciprocation, he was also pressuring people for nudes by sending them his own risqué pics first. Ugh. >>1089659
If someone wants to sell their nudes or risqué pics that’s one thing, but it’s a whole different and predatory thing when you’re sending risqué pics in hopes of getting nudes in return.
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We're all onto you, SOM.
Thanks for the clarification, anon. I should have known that HOF wouldn’t have been so scathingly truthful about SOM, lmao.>>1091710
Yep, definitely sounds like SOM. His crusade to wipe the internet clean of any negativity towards Hored just isn’t going to work.