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Last time on the the "How Is This Still A Thing???" Edition…
>Projared acts openly annoyed with people sending him sexual messages despite being a proven sexpest and condoning homoerotic fanart of him
>Heidi dunks on jared and holly by continuing to thrive
>In light of many allegations against pro players in the gaming scene, people are beginning to call out Jared soliciting nudes from fans
>Holly's fans continue to white knight and she rewards their loyalty by letting them double date on the beach, once again proving Holly and Jared do not respect innate power dynamics in fan/creator relationships.
>Milk has been relatively dry (a dipshit claiming to be sending nudes to projared is not milk, post proof or gtfo) until PennyArcade posts a vampire campaign featuring Holly as one of the player characters. Fans of the show were quick to point out that Holly was visibly distracted and uninterested in participating, playing with her phone and audibly laughing at inappropriate times. Holly at first acknowledged their critiques, but quickly turned it into a personal attack against her and openly named lolcow. Her hardest working white knights flooded the comments section to mewl in her defense. Anyone who is against Holly is officially an agent from lolcow. Congrats guys, we're famous!
>After the youtube shitshow, Holly decided to go to twitter to apologize to her fanbase for calling someone "unfixable" and asked them to tell her if she does anything wrong so she can correct it. Just kidding! When confronted by fans with her pattern of shitty behavior and fans pointing out the fact she refused to even name the person she was apologizing to, she doubles down saying that the "person" (Heidi) is her abuser and she will never apologize to her abooser. She then asks her critics to just leave her alone because she didn't do anything wrong uwu. Her army of simps descended like flies to shit while she posted the next day like nothing had happened.
>Heidi revealed during the twitter debacle that Holly had her blocked the entire time, but a little later Holly unblocked her, reblocked her, and then unblocked her again. Muh mental health amiright?
Quick Synopsis of PigdeonGate:
>Jared "the Wormdick" Knabenbauer was a semi prominent personality on the gaming side of youtube. He was involved in many communities such as NormalBoots, Game Grumps and Dice Camera Action as a member of the D&D campaign "Waffle Crew". >In May 2019 he released a tweet saying he and his wife were separating and to give them space…except he hadn't told his wife and had her blocked the entire time.>His then wife Heidi O'Ferrall proceeded to reveal to the public he had been gaslighting and abusing her for years, and in the twist no one saw coming, was cheating on her with his DCA co-star, previous cosplay juggernaut Holly Conrad.>It was revealed through internet sleuthing she had also been cheating on her husband Ross O'Donovan of Game Grumps fame before their divorce. Although it was at first amicable, the joint tweet discussing their separation has since been deleted and Ross refuses to hardly utter her name. >Holly checked herself into a mental hospital from being cancelled too hard>Fans came out of the woodwork revealing Jared to be a sexpest who had been soliciting nudes for years, some of which were underage.>Holly came back to throw herself to the wolves by trying to equate her suffering at being cancelled as to Etikas suicide (didn't work, she got dragged harder). Jared went into hiding to try to salvage his image. >Jared released a video, "You've Been Lied To", to youtube detailing the "true events" and successfully manipulated his way back into his fans good graces. >Heidi spoke her truth on a regular basis and stuck to her guns, and Holly tried to mental gymnastics her way into everyone loving her again.>Jared and Holly moved in together and continue to this day to baww about Heidi being an evil witch and being cancelled including releasing a shirt saying ~CANCELLED~
For More On Holly Conrad's Dubious Past:>A History of Holly: >>838840 (Source: PULL)
Links to the Clowns Involved in this Circus:
>Holly Conrad/Commander Holly:https://www.instagram.com/commanderholly/https://twitter.com/HollyConradhttps://www.youtube.com/user/CommanderHolly
Do Not Bother Ross O’Donovan>Game Grump and animator
You May Support and Subscribe at: >Ross O'Donovan/RubberNinja:https://twitter.com/RubberNinjahttps://www.youtube.com/user/RubberNinjahttps://www.instagram.com/rubberninja/
Image Credit: >>1008641
Thread Credit: >>1008543
Previous Threads (The ProJared Saga Begins):
Reminder from Mods:>Subjects have to be 16+ to be discussed on lolcow. Do not include Holly's 15 year old friend’s face or social media posts here. >This is also a reminder that cowtipping is also against the rules, do not contact the girl or her parents because of her relation to Holly.>Keep whiteknight posting to when they actually spill milk.
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Heidi liked that tweet about Anna and Nate from the last thread
Also, apparently DnD Presents is on indefinite hiatus, the players will do a different campaign with new characters but with a new DM instead of Chris Perkins
Wonder if it has anything to do with the drama or if its just because of the pandemic
Chris Perkins' home internet is shit and can't handle streaming.
Can you imagine getting real death and rape threats over a game? Jared couldn't keep it in his pants with anyone so no matter who he ended up with, his relationship was and is never going to be the best. Hoelly was the easiest that he could get and he wanted roleplay in and out of the game.
It's funny when you think about it, cause it was stinky, loud, emo witch and generic as fuck adventurer who both had the personalities of obnoxious cardboard. It wasn't even worth entertaining the thought of an in-game relationship. What's the point? You can buy white bread that would have had more flavor than "Striath" did. Everything that has happened to the parties involved happened over that two stereotypical, bland fictional characters and the bland people behind them.
There's a DCA wikia you can peruse and get mostly what you need from it. From what I gathered before, Jared's character is your typical Rouge who grew up on the streets, committed minor crimes, then suddenly became an adventure who will do ANYTHING for his friends because friendship and honor.
Holly's character is a demon who's parents sold her to a higher demon so she's constantly screaming about being scared or for some reason attempting to make pies because quirky.
Most of Perkins DMing comes from having to incorporate the canon DnD expansions he wrote into DCA as way to advertise the news books. So a big thing that was being brewed up in the new books was a demon war between two families. So let's make Jared and Holly's characters somehow related to those opposing factions, and if they ever got together, it would cause some sorta demon apocalypse. So the drama is the "oh they have feelings but canr admit it AND even if they do they cause a chain reaction of apocalyptic events."
There's also some horse shit about the other guy player being part diety or some shit. Honestly, when I read the synopsis of their characters I couldn't believe how popular their show was. Everyone had the most boring nothing backstory and all of it was being carried by Perkins immensely good DMing. It's like a quarterback trying to cover for a team of amateurs, they can only get so far.
>>1008943>Holly's character is a demon who's parents sold her to a higher demon
bringing her childhood trauma into the game, kek.
(also sage plz)
Yep, that's what I meant. Those two backstories are so cliche and cringy. Jared's roleplaying consisted of, "I glide across the room like a Swiffer and pull out a dagger" and Strix's is, "wHo WaNTs MeAT pIEs?! My pet is having sex?! What's sex?!? Literally screeching every time she spoke.
I really never understood the point of having her character use magic when she has the intelligence of a peanut.
Both Jared and Holly are those kind of players, who always just play a thinly veiled fantasy world version of themself.
Something that always ends up annoying as fuck for anyone at the table.
From what I read Diath's bloodline was angelic in some way?
Yeah, sure, okay.
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Just as I expected from the NormalBoots lot. Just performative lip-service.
Well, what? Not that much has changed aside from a corporate mandated blacklisting of Jared from D&D.
People officially involved with the brand still stan Holly and give her platforms and appear to just be waiting for the right time to drop her back in their spotlight.
Wow, so they can be be your angle and
yuor devil, how creative.>>1009025
You can take the man out of the gamer culture, but you can't take the gamer culture out of the man.
Their social media manager was tweeting cottagecore at her the day after.
They were never 'on her side' to begin with. They just waited until it was 'safe' to openly support Jared again.
Hell, they probably knew he'd come up with a way to wriggle out of trouble anyway.
Even then his defense for potentially receiving underage nudes was to say he asked if they were 18+ and that IDs can be faked. Like bars, clubs, porn sites haven't been using IDs to prove age since forever.
The reality is that Jared could have been making fart noises with his armpits for the entire video and groups like Normal boots or Treesicle still would have bent over backwards to praise him for "clearing" himself.
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Source of the Emmy has been revealed:
>"Went to Party, Got Crabs"
She sure did.
You're right, but her Twitter bio literally says "won an Emmy once"
Shes deliberately misleading people who dont know any better
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Inb4 @McTravDad ends up in Holly's likes/follows
Also, how the fuck can that dude say "You're BOTH doing your best to better yourselves"? What the fuck is pedodick doing to better himself? He and Hoelly both still bring up the drama and how they are somehow the victims
every chance they get. That's not someone trying to do better
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Heidi lays down some hard truths
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In case anyone’s interested, Holly’s “store” has a tumblr and it’s mostly just the same shit from her instagram with witchy elements and “how to banish the meanie thoughts” shit mixed in
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A participation certificate for a garbage show no one remembers that looked like this. "won an emmy for costuming" kek. ok Holly.
This is a blog post by someone who gives out mental health advice to teenagers.
Let that sink in.
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mentioned she stood by her words when the stands came around asking if she wanted to apologize after his 'truth' video dropped, tou can find a cap in one of the past threads.
> still friends with PBG
Is she? I didn't follow jeff so I payed less attention to his friendship with pur, but she stopped listing pbg in her side bar long before the drama happened and doesn't follow him on twitter (tho he still follows her). Not sure when she stopped following him on twitter but a cursory search shows that the last time she directly tweeted at him was oct 2019.
Gamer bros being fake and shallow? STOP THE PRESSES
I'm sad that she put her trust and respect in these people and it backfired, but gamer guys do not give a shit about women lol, just their bros.
UGH. My eyes are going to roll out of my head.
Holly you are not Strix and you don't actually have magic.
Slightly OT but what I find extremely disappointing on the part of Jirard was that he made a whole speech on Twitter about being disapproving of YouTubers and the like who take advantage of fans just like Jared did and even donated to a charity combating that, only to go ahead and still support Jared.
There's only being there for your bros and then there's shit like that that truly shows you don't give a damn about those kind of issues. I truly thought Jirard was better than that, but now I'm just disgusted.
She'd have to try and pretend the whole past year didn't happen in order to do that, just like when she changed her interests after the past other scandals that she's been a part of.
Too bad Holly is so far in the pity-me zone that she'd never fail to bring it back up just so that fans could keep kissing her ass.
Honestly it's just a guy think. A lot of dudes (NoTAllMeN) could not care less if their bros cheat or abuse their wives/girlfriends. Hell, if anything they help each other cover it up
My guess is Jirard was disgusted by the pedo stuff, but once Jared proved he only accidentally jerked of to minors because he was too lazy to ID people then Jirard was okay with everything else, either because he didnt care or because he had Holly and Jared telling him their little "Heidi is a monster" story
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Found this excellent meme on Twitter
So basically she sketched a clothing design that they used in the show? It's like giving a baker some eggs, then saying you won the blue ribbon for their cake. I don't think it's wrong for her to be proud of contributing, but to shorten it in her bio to "won an Emmy" is disingenuous. Does anyone know exactly what Holly designed, or what about the episode really stood out in costume design? It doesn't look all that spectacular from the screencap.>>1009199
To be fair, it's a reblog, but the point still stands. No amount of burning candles will keep Holly from obsessively namesearching herself on Twitter.
this comment made me think
its going to be so sad (for hoe) when she cant find another great emotional turmoil event to start and pedodick leaves her
she will always just remember how exciting and fun it was to pry a pretty girls husband of many years away from him through roleplaying and manipulation, itll be her greatest move shes accomplished and will probably ever accomplish since she doesnt pick up any fucking hobbies or interest aside from birbs
imagine being permanently stuck on this sort of once a life adrenaline event
New episode with Holly, not sure if this a direct continuation from last video but who knows if her behaviour is better.
Taking bets now what happens
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I see she's playing another thinly veiled version of herself.
He can't leave.
Miss Moneybags is his meal ticket right now. He's still suffering from the drama in terms of income, and Heidi's getting that sweet, fully deserved alimony.
reading these replies makes it so much sadder that Holly reads these threads. Ole Labia Lids having truth spit at her while either seething silently with Jared in the house or over-divulging to him (or her birds if he's not listening)
baffling how un self aware she is when anons here can probably tell her more about herself than her "therapist" who doesn't chide her for reading here.
it's past schadenfreude and back to pathetic. I almost feel more empathy for someone like Shayna at this point, because holly should know better
Something tells me that Hoelly is real good at spinning a tale to her therapist just like she does to anyone else, and the moral of the story is ALWAYS "I'm the victim
, everyone else is unfairly harsh to me and is trying to gaslight me, 24/7". Any mental health professional worth their weight would shut that shit down if they found out a patient was going onto hate boards as a form of self harm, so at this point, either the counselor has tried (to no avail) or they just don't know about it in the first place.
I found it kind of weird, like I know it's hard to tell with who they're looking, but she seems as if she fully pivots to look at him.
Or am I just imagining this?
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Probably. The whole first 5 minutes avoiding looking at anyone talking, playing with her hair, and just facing Patrick.
I dont know which of her streaming habits frustrates me more, her hunching or her constant chewing on her hands/fingers/hair
It hurts my back watching her
It's because she spent years being Strix whose whole thing was being weird and quirky and ugly in the cute sexy anime way. Remember from a million threads ago when people compared fan art of Strix and Diath to the real thing? That was fucking hilarious
Maybe it's just because for DCA they were all playing remotely from their own houses while for this show it seems like they're on a set. Maybe she feels less confident when she is in the room with people and also when she knows everyone there plus everyone watching knows all the fucked up shit she has been up to
Is this new dnd show recorded all at once or every week? Are these all old recordings they are airing or is each episode recorded right before release?
Her camera presence is really awful and the posture is killer, but at least she's trying in this one and it isn't nearly as bad as the last. She just honestly sucks at her job and needs to find something else to do, but if she's going to force it on herself at least it's better like this without using her phone. >>1009625>Skills: manipulation
Bet that feels good for her to see, lmao.
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Funny how (and by funny I mean predictable) that this is the first time Propedo has ever retweeted Holly's business after we were just talking about it here.
Same anon. At one point she was playing with her hair using it as a moustache then sucking on it. My 4 year old niece does that. I get we all have habits, I twirl my hair too, but not when I'm at work.
Honestly I wanted to get into DnD as a total noob I watched some of this and smiled through some DCA, and fuck me it's boring. Is this actually a good representation of DnD?
Honestly, she's probably just screeched at him to pay attention.
I dunno why, but everytime I always imagine she sounds like this clip
It is, but D&D is a bit more fun when you're actually participating in the game yourself. But yeah, hearing about someone's OC or their D&D campaign is one of the most painfully boring social experiences you'll ever have to sit and smile politely through. Almost as bad as being forced to watch a million youtube videos you have no interest in back to back. So to be honest I don't totally understand the appeal of watching D&D unless they cut out a majority of the downtime. >>1009821
He will occasionally like things from her store or brand, but you can tell he tries really hard not to like any posts that are actually by Holly. If he likes a post about the store it's usually from the other girl Kayla and not from Holly herself.
I doubt they make much money at all from their shop. The dice might sell a little better than the ugly clothes, but they probably make very little profit and judging by the engagement it's not really reaching a lot of people.
I'm curious to see the actual quality of those dice without them being heavily filtered. They look really sloppily filled and uneven around the metal frame.
They also missed the dice making train by like a year.
the only dice people who are making good money are those making artisan pieces and sets like Yaniir. These dice are boring and dont even seem brand relevant. Maybe if they got someone to make little bird feet or feather inlays, something relevant but I feel like you could buy these dice but nicer at any company that makes table top gaming dice.
The only reason he's promoting the dice is because he used them as a prize during his stream last night. And even then he never directly addressed Holly by name or anything.
It was pretty funny seeing her send heart emojis and try to get his attention in the chat ever 2 minutes while he talked to Scarlet Moth
He probably misses having a partner who respects his personal space and work and who doesnt feel the need to monitor his streams
IF they are living together, that's fucking weird for her to be in the next room over watching his stream and talking to him in chat, like she can't handle 2 hours of her life without being his center of attention
God I could not handle that constant over your shoulder presence. Imagine living with that? It's like my partner demanding my attention whenever I stream work
People NEED their space and boundaries for work/social. She's like an incessant leech who sucks the joy from everything around her.
He has to promote the brand because, again, he is dependant on Miss Moneybags.>>1009966
And yet he's stuck with her.
Fully deserved, for both of them.
Heidi mentioned in her stream that when she found Jared's old phone and messages with Holly that Holly would get angry when Jared went a couple hours without replying. She would be all like "Heidi must be being REALLY bad to you for you not to message me back right now"
Now she doesnt have an evil spouse to blame it on, so she is probably losing it. She never expected Jared to turn the neglect/ignore/stonewall tactic she encouraged him to use on Heidi against her
Which stream did she say that in? I'm curious.
Also I don't think it'll be long before Holly starts to make Jared cut ties with all of his female friends, at least the pretty ones that make her feel insecure
Last year after Jared's video came out she did a long stream telling her entire side of what happened
It's on her YouTube channel if you're curious, defiently sheds more light on how fucking batshit insane Holly is
Holy shit, for the first time I actually just sat down and watched the whole stream. It's really eye opening to how absolutely fucked the whole situation was, and I have no idea how some people can't sympathize more with Heidi after watching it. You can see how much it tears her up to talk about it. I don't think I would have been able to been half as strong as she seems to be if my husband hurt me that way.
It also leads me to assume the Holly probably pulls some shit with Jared. She probably gets extremely agitated when he doesn't reply to her texts as fast as she'd like, and I'm 100% certain the reason she pops into his streams all the time is to make sure he's not flirting or even talking to girls. Holly is controlling.
Exactly. Holly should have seen this coming that he’d treat her the same way he treated Heidi.
On another note, $60 for a set of dice? No thanks. At least, not for those dice.
…And to think people like Rewired Soul only watched it to mock it.
Youtuber that fancies themself a 'Mental Health Guru' to no one's
I really do sympathize with Heidi of a survivor of really bad abuse by an alcoholic family member. Abusers are so good at turning the narrative around and twisting it with careful wording in such away that it makes the victim
look like a screaming abuser themselves, even if throughout the duration of their abuse they were quiet and blamed themself. The difference here is that Heidi had two abusers. Nobody ever says this but Holly was one of Heidi's abusers
. Holly helped turn the narrative to make Heidi seem unstable, she manipulated Jared into believing Heidi was controlling and benevolent, and Heidi had no idea.
I know first hand, as do many people, that abusers are so good
at simultaneously manipulating everyone around them to believe their victim
is simply unstable, vindictive and attention-seeking.(no1curr Dr. Phil )
Probably because being sympathized irl gives her a different high than just reading the asspats. I also bet she ups her visits when Jared or her friends ignore her, so while she's blowing up Jared's phone with:>WhY WoNT yOu LoVE MEEEEE"
The crocodile tears and victim
mask come out leaving the therapist to give her the "love" and validation everyone forgot to give her that day.(inTeGrAtE)
Look at how well silence is working with Ross - people STILL hound him, and Jared/Hoelly took the opportunity to use his silence as explicit approval. At least this way Heidi gets to make clear that SexPest and Homewrecker aren't just innocent victims
of 'cancel culture'.
ross also has an actual platform to protect him. holly made up shit about him being abusive
in private because she knows she doesn't have the power to flip the narrative so drastically on him like with heidi. she's not above turning people against him, she just knows she can't because of his fanbase so coerced him into the 'mutual' breakup'.
Yep, this is exactly it. It was all about Striath for them. When they realized that instead of being seen as uwu so romantic they were seen as cheating, abusive
losers after their actions came out they had to shoot the messenger of their own bad behavior. How dare
anyone come between their ship of equally boring, uninspired, self insert characters.
I never thought about it until now but I wonder if one of the reasons Heidi spoke out in the first place was that she wanted to get ahead of Holly's narrative.
I'm sure a few months down the line Jared or Holly would have made some big dramatic post about his abuse and how hard it was for them both or something and just completely throw Heidi under the bus. For all she knew, if she stayed quiet during the divorce then Holly could have just thrown out her smear campaign any time she wanted. In a way Hollly and Jared both were holding that over her head, "say anything and we will tell our huge fanbase this lie about you being abusive
" yet they say shes the blackmailer
Some questions for yall:
1. How long do you think Holly and Jared would have waited to announce their love uwu if there had been no drama?
2. Do you think they would have gotten backlash if they had announced it if there had been no drama? Would people have figured the cheating out?
3. Do you think they would even still be together it there had been no drama?
you're going to have to dig into the past threads for all the info because I'm on mobile at the moment and it's a pain plut a lot of stuff got deleted so it only exists in the form of screen caps in past threads. Mainly it was dan pirro and scarletmoth who were the source of that (both were stans turned friends of holly, and both were in direct contact with holly at the time).
they walked a lot of stuff back and deleted a ton after holly asked them to, but both claimed to have receipts in the form of screencaps of chats with holly that they were choosing to not release because holly asked them not to. here is a set of screencaps of sm talking to dp about it and saying the marriage with ross was not healthy for holly and toxic
for holly at times: https://imgur.com/a/NHly8CO
knowing holly she sold that narrative to anyone she talked to privately, not just t rando stans on the internet.
God those messages are so fucked up
I forgot that Holly tried to tell her fans that the only thing Ross was mad at Jared for was "giving in" when Heidi asked him to stop fucking Holly. Jesus fucking christ how delusional!
Also, friendly reminder that Moth and Jared exchanged plenty of nudes, think of that next time he is ignoring you in the stream chat and talking to Moth, Hoelly
With her "I'm so sorry you're going through this. I'm there if you need me" tweet coupled with Jared's own bullshit divorce statement, Holly would've probably done little except vaguetweet about it.
The narrative she wanted was way more about how being Jared's post-divorce support led to "IRL Striath".
Just tinhatting, but all that sounds more like Holly wanted an open relationship because she was cheating on Ross, and because the flame died out in the marriage Ross agreed to it. Otherwise he wouldn't have been massively depressed after the divorce.
Also I know I don't know these people, but Holly herself has mentioned many times on how Ross was a center of support during her mental problems and even let her keep her millions of birds in the yard. Don't know how it went from that to "Ross is abusive
" but it seems hella sis.
I mean, in Holly's messages to Heidi in early 2018 she told Heidi that she hadn't even told Ross about her and Jared's sexting(oops I mean striath rp) and their walk, she said that Ross had approved her hooking up with ladies but she had never talked to him about hooking up with other men
I think all the things she told Moth are just straight up bullshit, and that she reached out to DP to not post those messages because she knew alot of the stuff she told moth were lies to make her look better
You expect me to believe she it from "Ross doesnt even know me and Jared have a thing and sext/commission porn together" to "Ross knows and is okay and is soooo mad at Jared for respecting his wife revoking consent"
I have no doubt that the toxicity Holly encountered was trivial shit like how she began to cry for the fish in a sushi restaurant and Ross' friends laughed at her about it. The birdatarian who isn't even vegan having a mental breakdown in a sushi restaurant is beyond absurd though.
I'm sure Ross was mentally broken, depressed, living on Arin and Suzy's couch after the separation because Heidi wouldn't just give Jared to Holly though! That's what he was truly upset about. A
I have no doubt Ross was pissed at Heidi for the situation but I think it's because Holly lied to him about what was going on. Holly probably was acting insane and suicidal after Heidi revoked consent and Ross had to deal with the brunt of it. All he heard was "I'm being screamed at and threatened" and "Jared's being horribly abused!!" and he just took his wife's word for it and went into protective husband mode. Since Holly is such a massive abusive
manipulator she somehow twisted his support for her into him supporting that Holly run off with Jared.
I just dont know how Holly could have twisted it into her being the victim
when she was doing that stuff with Jared without Ross's consent to her fucking around with men
My guess is she left out the months and months of her and Jared sexually roleplaying, commissioning porn, and planning to fuck in costume and instead just said "Jared totally out of nowhere expressed his feelings for me on this walk and then Heidi yelled at me :("
KEK Oh man that's news to me, I need to look that one up for sure
Is literally everything she does posturing this narrative that she's a soft uwu forest witch who causes no harm to nature?
Yeah, that’s the vibe I’m getting from the whole situation too.
So proud of Heidi for being so strong and getting the truth out there, that can’t have been easy when it was two vs. one.
Samefag, but I also noticed Jared deleted all of his old pictures with Heidi as well. >>1008363
was just posted in the last thread so this must have happened recently. How much do you want to bet Holly forced Jared to delete all his all photos with Heidi since it's proof he wasn't completely miserable with her back in 2018 like they claim? Also since he looks slightly less dead inside with Heidi than he does with Holly…it probably triggers
The thing is, I never saw Ross interact directly with ThatScarletMoth, just Holly.
All this is telling me is that Ross was upset because Holly was upset.
Holly was probably going on & on about Jared & Heidi, asking "Isn't that fucked up?!?" frequently.
As for Ross "giving Jared his blessing"… seems like he was just doing the same thing Heidi was; trying to 'fix' their marriage by letting the other bone whoever they want.
Thanks for the recap! Appreciated.
Clearly moth was fed half truths and because shes friends with holly, wholeheartedly believed her. Maybe heidi is lying about something too, but not on the extent of what comes off of these screencaps. Honestly, everyone except heidi is so childish, acting like horny 21 year old who stomp their feet if they dont get what they want. I remember holly saying as a gotcha against heidi thay she wouldnt let jared go because she didnt believe in divorce!! And in her stream she's like, yeah, we're married, it should mean something. If you're planning on just upping and leaving for the next girl once you're tired of your current gf, why marrying her at all?
Re: ross, i wonder if things went to shit with him for similar reasons to heidi's, he maybe was convinced that it was a fuckbuddy situation and when it turned out to be the Great Love of our Generation, that's when he opposed to it thus being also branded as an abuser
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since dan pirro came up again i thought i'd share this blast from the past tweet that aged like milk
That's another thing that gets me too.
For someone who was so 'benevolent' & "was completely fine with it" you'd think Holly would keep up those good times with such an open-minded husband, ex or not…
…But NOPE! She's just gonna wipe all evidence of his existence from her Instagram.
It's almost like she doesn't want anyone to notice she was still
with Ross in 2018…
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I mean, this one was from after
'the walk' they had in February 7, 2018
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This is so insane. They say that when an abusive
person tells you why they think they're being abused, they're actually telling what they're doing to you. I've never seen it in action so clearly, though. Also, it's strange that Dan Pirro decided to 'investigate' but his motives are so clear in every interaction that he has. He's not unbiased at all, and all of his secondary sources stem from only one primary source - Holly. And we've all seen that Holly's narrative is emotional and narcissistic at best. This is just bad reporting and investigating. Why doesn't he include both sides of the story if he's so intent on finding the 'truth'? It's like the parable of a bunch of blind men feeling different part of an elephant and trying to describe the animal. He's one of those people and he can't get the full picture until he looks at other perspectives, which I'm guessing he'll never do.
For example, "He was not allowed to have a life outside of her" could easily
be disproved just by looking at the fact that he did, in fact, have a life outside of her. He went to cons without her, made videos and streamed without her, participated in games without her, etc. There is so much evidence that he had his own life and almost nothing to support the other perspective. And if he talked to Heidi herself then he'd realize that was true. But he went into this already viewing the situation through his own opinion of what happened, and that's why he will never see the truth clearly for what it is.
Also, the attached picture is from an old reddit thread and now I'm wondering if this person is the same person who was talking to Dan Pirro back then. >>1010301
I think it's that it aged like milk because Holly is the only one who's exhibited this behavior. And the crowd of people who do believe this is thinning every time she has another outburst. >>1010306
I know this is supposed to be cute, but that language makes me so uncomfortable. Showing off your wife as a hot anime babe that you get to 'own' so that you can put down groups of people who aren't married is just so gross. It's clear he just views her as a way to boost his own image to the public.
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I wonder if Ross actually
knows this person like they claim though…
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Heeeeere we go…
>"and your mentality that you won't be satisfied until Jared and Holly admit that they're completely at fault, surely you can see why they would want to avoid you."
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Gotta shame her back into silence amirite?
Also, beautiful that the WK over there conveniently forgets it was holly to reignite this drama, to distract, of all things, from the fact she was on her phone on a dnd game. If holly at least be a bit mature about all of this she wouldnt touch the drama, heidi would go on living her life (safe for the occasional "wow last year sure was hell, im glad i survived, go me!", Which, you know, fair), and THE DRAMA would die out. But of course, it's all heidis fault
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Found this on their page. Do they not understand that Heidi is "person A" and Jared and Holly are supposed to be "person B" except they refused to engage in a mature and reasonable way?
If they have zero followers, then their tweets are not gonna show up in the mentions of a much larger Twitter account. Unless you name search yourself, you won't see every mention on Twitter because it auto filters this stuff out. They are pretty much screaming into the void.
Either way, bad takes from anonymous alt accounts aren't really milk.
> I don't really think Jared was picking Holly over Heidi. I think he was picking DCA over Heidi.
God that's so FUCKING true. And now DCA is gone and he is stuck with manic abusive
pixie girl Holly instead of his tsundre witch waifu Strix
That's why to Holly and Jared Heidi saying that she would come forward about what they did to her and possibly get DCA canceled was the worst most abusive
threat she could ever threaten
And you could tell that the whole tone in Holly's response to Heidi coming forward was (unpleasantly) surprised
She thought that Heidi would stay quiet.
At this point, it's pretty damn clear that she spent that week off to gather just the right info to make her & Jared into the perfect victims
Hoelly's a shitty person, but to be fair, she hasn't readded the "cancelled" or "boundaries" shirts to her merch store (yet; I wouldn't put it past her, lest she get to claim she's the victim
of cancel culture again)
Let's be honest the cancelled design was awful
She needs to stop the whole "mushrooms are my personality!" Thing
It goes back to when Heidi had to be the one to put her foot down and tell Jared she wouldn't take him back. kek
Heidi was his trophy cosplayer "anime waifu" to parade around and show off. Holly was Strix, and now that she isn't he barely acknowledges her. It's like what anons have said in regards to him sticking with her for the time being to save face. It's best for him right now, but there's no future in Hored. I'm sure the milk will flow when the time comes since Holly is such a loose cannon.
Agreed, except Holly is so full of protection she probably doesn't see it this way. The timeline matches exactly with her breaking boundaries, but she's so myopically self-focused she can probably only see it as referring to her own boundaries.
Because she constantly feels like a victim
of everything she does to other people.
Holly is narcissistic enough to make the shirt based on her experience with boundaries, maybe with her "abusive
" relationship with Ross
I honestly think she made the shirt about her own experience and was too self centered and delusional to even think about Heidi, I mean we all know that Holly has no respect for Heidi's boundries, why dedicate a shirt she didnt even design to her?
I always assumed the shirt was about Heidi disrespecting Jared's "boundaries" by trying to set parameters within their relationship. After all, as his wife and the other primary person in their poly relationship, she should've respected his decisions to dick their mutual friends behind her back and after her consent was explicitly revoked.
Because that's how polyamory works.
It's so funny because Holly didnt even do the art for that shirt, Holly 2.0 um I mean Kayla did. I just wonder how that pitch went
"Hey can you make a design of like an angry bird holding a knife saying boundries? My boyfriends wife said it the other day and I think it would be a good buzzword for us"
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At least I have had some of my comments deleted. This is giving me some serious low tier god vibes. From my account.
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From when I'm logged out or in a different account.
When are people gonna fucking realize that having a cult-like fanbase that dogpiles anyone
who criticizes them is a bad
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Does she have no self awareness?
Strangely enough, I've rarely
seen anyone come here to defend her, whereas on other threads you have wk's popping in from time to time to sperg. Why would she being us up when the thread gets slow? Does she like the negative attention?
He knows that if he does a DnD show without Holly she will go nuclear
He also knows it will he hard to find other creators who would want to, especially hot women which is what he would want so he could make a new self insert casanova
No, she doesn't - Otherwise, she'd realize that everything she claims makes Heidi "abusive
" describes herself to a T.
Narcs like any attention, especially negative, if it allows them to paint themselves as a victim
. Hoelly's admitted to reading comments/threads as a form of self harm, so this doubly allows her to be "uwu poor and mistreated victim
of cancel culture", despite the fact that if she'd just keep her fucking mouth shut, we'd leave her alone.
What gets me is that it's not just her that visits here, plenty of her friends/stans such as sadoldmagician read this thread, too, which is just fucking weird. I cant imagine going out of my way to read a bunch of horrible stuff about someone (awful) I care about. How is that healthy?
Doesnt seem right for someone who identifies as a mental health advocate (dont worry I didnt say guru no need to get triggered
, Clownrad) to advertise reading this thread as a self harming tool so much that now her fans are doing it
It is kind of romanticizing seeking out constant negative things that cause one pain, is it not?
Its like, is having a majority of the internet on their side not enough? The general public views Jared and Holly as poor victims
of cancel culture uwu and Heidi as the true cheater who also made up pedo accusations (seriously, it's crazy how many people think Heidi made up EVERYTHING)
Someone in a previous thread pointed out how Jared's comeback was mostly due to false information about what went down in the relationship/with the pedo and nudes stuff and that anon was 10000% right
God forbid theres one small place on the internet where people actually looked at both sides and came to their own conclusions
we're talking about someone who thinks "abuse" is telling her "no" without coddling and pampering.
I'm sure what she went through in her childhood fucked her up royally, and that's not an easy thing to live with, but at the same time someone simply disagreeing with you and being harsh about it is not abuse
Holly straight up weaponizes accusing people of being abusive
and its disgusting
Like, for Heidi she built this huge narrative about her being a crazy abusive
wife literally because she changed her mind and told Jared not to fuck Holly. She then proceeded to use that abuse accusation to slander Heidi to every mutual friend they had and slowly cut her out of her own cosplay/gaming community, and then again she used that accusation publicly to punish Heidi for speaking the truth when Jared announced their divorce. She holds this threat over peoples head because she knows she has leverage as a woman who is known to have a bad childhood/past and to be a positive mental health advocate and who has (had) tons of clout
Imagine if she would have thrown out Heidi being abusive
before Heidi ever got a chance to respond/address the divorce or whatever. The internet would have 1000% believed her and Jared, especially since their story appeals to woke people who are all about "men can be victims
, too" not that they can't, I just think that they knew that people would WANT to stand behind a Male abuse survivor. The only reason Heidi ever had the advantage was because she spoke first after having Holly holding the threat of "exposing her" over her head for over a year
Tinfoil but maybe one of the (many) reasons Ross didnt speak out is because he didnt want Holly to say that HE was abusive
, which she was already doing behind the scenes according to scarletmoth.
But anon, he is the world's #1 Hared shipper!!! He even visited Seattle to comfort Jared over how hard it was to sneak around behind Heidi's back with his own exwife, how much more of a bro could he be! The only time he ever got mad at Jared was when he listened to his wife when she revoked consent to him banging the trash ditch, and even then he forgave him because he was a victim
of abuse uwu
Obviously that's all sarcasm but that's legitimately what his supporters think of Ross/what happened
Don't forget, she was YELLED at. Everyone knows that when you disrespect someone's boundaries, romance their husband, and then they do a big YELL at you for all you put them through you are the true victim
uwu >>1011429>trash ditch
I laughed anon, thank you.
big bad dragonborn heidi doing a fus ro dah at holly has got to be the most hilarious way she's tried to paint someone as abusive
, honestly. I'm tinfoiling that holly actually genuinely believes yelling by itself is abusive
because she had a fucked up childhood, one of her parental figures probably yelled a lot and she associates loud voices = bad. As a kid when you're a victim
of your circumstance and can't take care of yourself that's one thing, and holly wasn't in a relationship with heidi so that she is constantly abused and yelled at, either. You disrespect someone's boundaries, you push yourself into their life in a way they aren't OK with, you manipulate them, and then they yell at you. And they are the bad guy… how?
When Holly talks about Heidi she makes it sound like Heidi abused her more than Jared. She talks about Heidi like she is so scared of her and as if she is a threat to her life
Holly: I was there! I witnessed the screaming and vile abuse!
Heidi: me and Hollly stopped speaking and havent seen each other since spring 2018
It wasn't to distract, it was just a result.
Comments on the VtM video were similar to ones on lolcow (because people can't reach the same conclusions independently I guess) and people on lolcow also often bring up the "unfixable" tweet so…. She had to bring all her defenses at once.
It's pretty funny how lolcow gets under her jaundiced skin.
I looked at the new VtM episode and there's only one comment against her (so far).
I bet if Holly and her wks had just kept their mouths shut on youtube, the series would go on unbothered. If she was getting shit on in the comments for every single video, she could pull the victim
card and have a little more success. Instead, she lost her shit and turned more people against her because of the bad reception to ONE video, and the first one at that. Gotta love it.
That's just it - She has no middle ground, it's either all calm and serene or it's intensity in ten cities levels of bad. Instead of responding to comments on VtM calmly and rationally, she went for the thermonuclear "I'm the victim
and you're all gaslighting me and MAKING FUN OF MY MENTAL ILLNESS!!!" plan.
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>"Share with consenting adults all you want, but opening it up for anyone to follow and then being shocked to learn minors were there? That isn't a mistake. That is by design. It is a way to hold power and then claim ignorance when caught."
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>"Going by his IMDB page, he was part of AT LEAST three different ‘shows’ that would have been something that minors would have watched (including one about minecraft, one about pokemon…"
Inb4 some IMDB devs get an e-mail/call from Holly or a DCA stan to "shut it all down"…
Do we have any archives or screenshots of the actual nudes blog(s)?
I'm just curious to how it was run/oraganized
Did he actually post the nudes people sent in or did he just use the blog to tell people to send them
I'm curious about this too
People always talk about all of the nudes and conversations he was having but I've really only ever seen 3 convos and the 1 nude that everybody knew about that 2as floating around. It'd be great if we could archive all of the conversations.
I wish I had screen caps but I followed him during the shift of his Tumblr to nudes.
He posted nudes people consented to having posted. It was all very juvenile thirst from Jared and the fans. Sometimes went more intimate like Jared talking about jerking off to things.
The big thing is, from what I remember, he rarely Reblogged things that didn't tag him. He only wanted submissions and asks. Not to just share random porn
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I don't have pictures of the nudes blog, but a while back I went through the wayback machine and looked at his old public tumblr and the whole thing was just full of things like this attached image. I am really curious about his actual nude blog, too.
"But he N E V E R
I've seriously wondered whether or not he's still encouraging this stuff now, except on his twitter and instagram because he doesn't have his tumblr anymore. I'd like
to think he'd be against recieving being solicitation and nudes in his dm's but I also think he may still be accepting them, seeing as that kind of behavior doesn't just stop cold turkey when you get called out for it.
I was only wondering because I know that, as >>1011890
pointed out, he got pissy when somebody sent him nudes, even if they were to his business email. You'd think he'd rejoice and be happy about getting them, regardless of where they were sent.
the reason this works in holly's favor though is because i doubt anyone else on the show is obsessive or narcissistic enough to lurk the early comments as hard as her, they probably only started attention after holly blew up and drew out a bunch of responses pointing out everything she did wrong. Sure they were right
but from the perspective of people on the show it was all good until holly told them to look and suddenly she was getting brigaded for shit from the past she 'apologized' for.
Like if you follow along she's clearly in the wrong, but not everyone does and its' too much work to piece it all together retrospectively while holly is screaming in their ear about being the victim
. this is how she has wild outbursts and still gets work at this point. It's a classic narc crazy making technique. I think she'll have diminishing returns on this tactic, but not fast enough.
Honestly, I don't even know if I would've called that "pissy"
I think he was trying to be funny – in fact, I laughed at the idea of people sending nudes to someone's business email, and the dry response of "this isn't what my business email is for" got a chuckle out of me, though it does certainly lend itself to an idea that there's another email it IS for
But then I remembered it was Jared and felt like the whole thing is in poor taste
I'm sure he thought it was excellent dry humor, but he's also a complete moron
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The tone of it was also copying Heidi kek
Plus, if you spend literal years telling fans that it is okay to send you nudes because you are ~~ sex positive ~~ then you dont get to whine about getting them sent to you
If it was a hot egirl you know for sure he would have followed through instead of posting it on insta for victim
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Jared's fans truly are disgusting. They victim blame minors and make excuses abhorrent behavior that even Holly didn't defend. And of course sad magician liked this.
Whoever posted this is a fucking idiot. Jared is a "funnyman" reviewer. Like the Nostalgia Critic, who also has a young fanbase despite having spent most of his online career reviewing "nostalgic" movies.
It's almost like the content reviewed in these things is more a basis to deliver comedy instead of a genuine review like you'd see Roger Ebert deliver.
And his output was never exclusively retro. He did genuine coverage of E3, serious reviews of new games, Top Best And Worst Games Of This Year, and "funnyman" reviews of contemporary content like the Two Worlds games and Ride To Hell: Retribution.
Not to mention grumps, like it or not he was heavily featured there (which I'm sure he wanted since ya know how big their channel is) and like it or not a majority of their fans are minors. Guesting on grumps for sure led to thousands of people discovering him (myself included), no doubt many of them were minors
Idk what his fans are trying to pull here, it is just straight up incorrect to say that a majority of people subscribed to a funny man video game reviewer and let's player were adults
What's really disturbing about this is all of the people referencing Jared reblogging asagao academy fanart, meaning that a good chunk of his active audience at that time were people who played asagao academy. Which, if I recall correctly, skewed very
young demographically. >>1012325
Also, I'm so tired of the whole 'his audience is obviously meant to be older people because he plays old
games" logic. I know plenty of gen z kids who are into old video games because their older siblings think they're cool, or because they get into gaming in general and find those games referenced a lot. Being interested in old games isn't exclusive to 18+ year olds. Especially when the games Jared plays are still massively popular even decades after they were released.
If he was playing really obscure windows 95 games, maybe I'd give that argument more weight. But things like FFVII? Come on, that is a huge part of gaming culture's history. If anything, kids seem more like the target audience there, since everyone in the older generations have already played the games themselves if they were interested. Makes sense that young kids would want to watch his videos for summaries of games they didn't grow up with and probably don't have the patience to sit through.
Even then, going by the graphs the WKs love to repost, his fanbase is still mainly in the 18-24 age range…
Which is still too young for most of Jared's retro reviews, which consists of Nintendo and Super Nintendo games no older than 1996.
There's really no way to adequately defend this. Whether he meant to deliberately or not, he still received nudes from minors and instead of at least FAKING shame in his actions, ProPedo doubled down while shifting the blame onto those who lied about their ages rather than the fact that a 30+ year old man didn't see what he was doing as wrong, abusive
, and manipulative. Even in his faux apology, he said "I see that people think it's wrong, but I still don't think it was manipulative" or something to that effect.
I think people also forget that while his main channel MIGHT have been focused more on reviews and stuff MAYBE kids wouldn't like
He also had a basic let's play channel where he played horror games, kids love watching those, party games with his pals and new games that just released. Everything that people under 18 would enjoy. He couldn't stick to old obscure games because that doesn't make money.
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Were not blind Jared fans. Bends over backwards and proceeds to defend actions even Holly and Jared won't struggle to defend anymore.
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You're right, why would his fans defend the nude blog when even Holly admitted it was wrong? I mean its because they are stupid but let's pretend they have rational thinking, wouldn't they agree with their goddess trash ditch?
ALSO friendly reminder to everyone that Jared closed the nude blog in DECEMBER 2018, the same time Tumblr banned NSFW which was literally his reason for closing it. We all know Holly and him began their emotional affair in Feburary 2018 and physical affair in October 2018, Holly KNEW about the blog and was okay with it, or atleast didnt do anything to stop it. One of the things Heidi found on Jared's old phone was his messages with Clownrad about the nudes/blog
Hoelly posted this tweet like we were all gonna believe she actually felt that way when she has shown no regret for supporting it or any explanation as to why it was wrong like Heidi has. Heidi addressed that she knew and supported it, apologized for it, and made it clear why it was wrong. Hoelly vaguely mentioned it ONCE at the start of her very first "Heidi is abusive
and evil look at her private sexts and FB posts!" thread and never again brought it up
Let's just keep this screenshot on deck for when he inevitably gets caught fanfucking again
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Replying myself just to show Jared's behavior up until NSFW tumblrs very end
Contrary to how he/his fans present the nudes stuff, it wasnt way back in his past. It was less than 6 months before the drama. This was December 2018
"The odds that a minor would do that"
Bitch, even Jared confirmed he exchanged nudes with Charlie.
I would also argue that only a minor would jump through hoops (FYI there weren't any) because it's a YouTuber they idolize and crush on
Whereas an adult would just go to the other thousands of porn blogs to get their rocks off.
In the end it was fucked that Jared didn't use tinder like a normal fucking person to get nudes. Because he wanted the power dynamic of "my adoring fans are sending me nudes"
It's honestly not a big leap at all if you think about it
Be a minor> find Jared's channel > like his stuff, check his socials > see he has a tumblr, follow his tumblr > his main tumblr advertises nude blog
Teenagers love tumblr and lets players, it's stupid to pretend that it's a huge leap for teenage fans to find his blog
And even if you say only adults would watch his classic game videos, he still had a let's play channel, a month dedicated to DnD and a very popular DnD show, and DnD is a hobby for all ages
Stop reaching, jared stans. Even he admitted it was wrong and that minors found it, why are yall in denial
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They're also leaving out a big draw for young people, which was asagao academy. >>881316
Also, an old post from someone who talked about it a bit on twitter.
DING DING DING
Also, love the fan strategy of saying "well tumblr is weird and nobody uses it" like yeah its weird because it's a ton of teenagers into nerdy niche shit, like hmm idk let's players
Honestly at this point I think people who support Jared will support him regardless of what they read or are shown. They don't want to change their minds.
I had a guy friend who was like that when the drama hit. I showed him all the shit that contradicted Jared's "apology" but he didn't want to hear it. That's the basic temperament of all the people on his side now. Most of whom are men or pick mes
"I never saw that stuff!"
"I did! He did it all the time!"
"Well that doesn't count because the site is all that kind of trash anyway."
Was like that with my ex, he acted as if Jared’s apology video cancelled out all the accusations and proof and magically made him 100% innocent
Dudes will always support other dudes
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Oops - This post from Jared's tumblr, circa September 2018, aged like spoiled milk, considering this would've roughly been the time when Holly and Ross were separating officially and she had probably just started officially banging Jared.
Holly in Feb 2018: expresses she wants to be with jared and only Jared and vise versa, alarming Heidi causing her to revoke consent
Holly in Oct/Sept 2018: officially divorcees Ross, moved to Seattle for Jared, offically starts fucking him at cons
Jared in Feb 2018: I want to fuck any and every woman I can
Jared in Oct/Sept 2018: I want to fuck any and every woman I can
I'm sorry but the disconnect between the two in their relationship is hilarious
Holly clearly cared(cares) SO MUCH more, theres no way she is okay with him still sleeping around unless she j100% buys his "I'm simply am polyamorous" sexual identity he tried to sell to Heidi
The ultimate woke couple, a pansexual/demisexual/asexual and a bicurious polyamorous dude. Why are a lot of their defenders the MRA incel crowd again?
Heres the thing, Holly, he doesnt call himself Polysexual. He calls himself Polyamorous. He isnt just sexually attracted to other women, as you yourself should know sense he began a full on relationship with you while he was married. Just remember that when he starts more than fucking his fans/twitch ladies
Jared is the typical ‘male feminist’ who pretends to care about women to get praise and intimate access, but is just as misogynistic as MRAs in the end. If he cares at all he only cares about the optics. Holly probably doesn’t see them as MRAs but as people who “see through that manipulative bitch, Heidi” and will only regret the association when they turn against her, but she’ll probably manage to blame that on Heidi or some other woman too.>>1012393>>1012413
Yeah his supporters don’t actually think there’s anything wrong with getting nudes/sex from fans so evidence of his actions won’t change anything. If they can’t deny it they’ll just blame the minors or go “well everyone
was doing it!”, then circle back to denial because at some level they do know it looks bad. Looks
being the keyword here.
His supporters always being obtuse on-purpose, is beyond
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i feel like not even the weird photoshop anon of the first few threads could conjure something as terrible and disturbing as this lmao
omg this is the perfect image to blast off on when we need a pic for the next thread
and here I was think this weasel-faced clammy-ass motherfucker could not possibly get more unattractive
Tfw you fall in love with a fictional character, make terrible decisions that leads to the character being lost, and then are stuck with the cringey lady that role played her instead
Youd look like that too if you lost your wife and DnD career just to fuck Hoelly Clownrad and "accidentally" jerk off to teenagers
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It's good to see that Heidi changed her view on creator + fan interactions. Even if she only approved/encouraged it to keep Jared happy.
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From SadOldMagician's tumblr blog
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From someone named Autumnsideofsummer on tumblr who reblogs everything from some anti-Heidi blog
>"If Heidi attempted to set boundaries at that point, the fans would have been none the wiser unless one of them went public about it….like Heidi did last year."
This one kills me. So basically they're saying that if Heidi had kept her big fat mouth shut then DCA fans wouldn't go after her.
Funnily enough, what they're saying here is true, but probably not in the way they want it to be.
I would be so embarrassed/fed up with having a "friend" who couldn't stop reporting to the internet about how I'm doing "behind the scenes" for meager scraps of clout.
SadOld believes he's the special one who Got Picked when in reality he's clearly their last resort for friendship. It would be sad if it wasn't so funny.
Right, like reading that all I could think was "what a weird fucking thing to post about your personal friends?"
It seems like he thinks he is now an internet personality himself just by virtue of being such a Jared stan, its fucking weird
>SadOld believes he's the special one who Got Picked when in reality he's clearly their last resort for friendship.
Isn't that why Holly thinks she & Jared are 'meant to be'?
She was Jared's 'last resort' for an in-game romance after Anna initially turned him down. So when he picked her, it made her feel 'special'. That's fucking sad man…
Want to know how Holly & Jared are doing? Just ask SadOldMagician! He's spent DAYS with Holly & Jared!
You know who also did? Heidi.
Hell, she spent years
with him, before DCA even! Imagine that…
I wonder if Hared knows about all this insider info SadPatheticMagician shares about them on tumblr for clout
Maybe Holly will find out from this thread how weirdly fake her friends are. Your closest friends shouldn't be your paparazzi
'still attacked on nearly every post they make'
Okay, so thats just a literal lie. They 'get attacked' when they bring it up themselves and nearly never outside of that. People who still clown on them just make their own posts about it without replying or interacting with them lmao. Imagine being that sensitive when you've been an online persona for years.
>>1013512>"They are afraid everything new they start will be taken away from them"
Ah, so is the excuse they're going with for Holly's huge sperg after people pointed out her going on her phone? She just thought those meanies expecting her to do her job were going to take her new show from her? >>1013532>>1013548
What grifters lmao. Also it's funny that they bring up Holly having a dedicated hate crowd when all her most vocal stans are just a hate crowd who use their main and alt accounts to harass Heidi on her posts. At least Holly usually has to mention the drama to get something other than stan asspats as replies, these guys are on Heidi like flies on shit if she posts her cat.
Imagine the absolute wonders
that an initial "I fucked up, & I'm sorry." could've done for them…
I don't know why this is so difficult for people to accept.
His YouTube focused on video games, he was featured in a high school-themed dating sim, and he was on a Nickelodeon show. At the end of the day, he made content for kids. Soliciting nudes from his fans, knowing the kind of content he made, was bound to get him nudes from underaged fans.
Their fanbase + bunch of incels try their hardest to make kids 100% responsible for sending nudes.
"Jared wrote 18+ only on his blog" is what they think of an ultimate defense.
Kids, who are easily influenced by their internet idols, are fully to blame. Or their parents, whatever. But certainly not Jared. How could this bing bing wahoo youtuber, featured on nickelodeon, ever predict that kids would want to receive his "body positivity" messages?
Jared is a victim
of those darned kids I tell you!
It's cause their fanbase is either delusional hardcore DCA fans who think these two are Strix and Diath irl and can do no wrong, or random MRAs who latched onto Jared after the Vic drama because they see those two as one in the same. The new "fans" they gained from the drama will always blame the fans who sent nudes because having victims
to hate and blame is the entire reason they have identified themselves with Jared and become his fans.
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I swear, if "Because I could be wrong" is the reason Jared & Holly keep almost admitting fault, then backpedaling & doubling down…
That could very well be it. At this point, they've essentially made careers out of being the professional victims
- If they admitted they were wrong on this one, they'd take an even bigger hit than the initial scandal caused, especially since the internet is now rife with proof of their continued and ongoing lies and smear campaign.
I think they have genuinely convinced themselves that Heidi was an insane abusive
evil woman to justify their actions. They genuinely believe it because they dont want to feel bad for their actions, which is why whenever Heidi acted reasonable or loving towards Jared they thought it was crazy batshit manipulation. She acted against their insane fantasy of her being evil
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I'm sorry, what violent abuse are you experiencing at the hands of Evil Heidi, Jared? Did she eat the special egg you were saving for your first anniversary of getting away with infidelity and sexual assault? Did she say no to something again? Did she -gasp- enforce personal boundaries?
Does he somehow not realize that that fits him to a T? He was content to emotionally abuse and manipulate Heidi in private, but when she spoke up, he escalated to publicly slandering her and defaming her (aka becoming more violent and erratic). I'm waiting for the inevitable breakup with Holly so that he can say that this entire time, Heidi was totally fine and not abusive
and that it was the Evil Abusive
Homewrecker who made him say and do these things.
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also, this could be nothing, but does anyone else find it creepy that he's so into someone that looks like an almost carbon copy of his allegedly abusive ex wife? It's a toss up if he likes more of this girls posts or firagafox - though, to be fair, he has liked a grand total of TWO of hoelly's posts in the last month, so she might be moving up on the "important to jared" totem pole.
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also, Jared apparently only has a problem with a history of proven shittiness with underaged fans when it's someone else - with him, the blame is purely on the minor's shoulders.
Yeah, like when he forced Heidi to not go to twitch con towards the end of the relationship. That is textbook abusive
I've noticed this but thought it was just a weird coincidence. All the people he likes on twitter are white girls with long, red hair or pretty black girls. No one that looks like Holly, coincidentally.>>1014624
I feel like he's got to be trying to be 'fake' woke to throw people off his scent. If he can say "yeah, I'm actually against these things" then it makes people confused because "you wouldn't be against abusing minors if you abused minors yourself". Abuser defense mechanisms are all designed to confuse other people about their real intentions. It's too bad his actions speak pretty well for him in this case.
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Now borkscorpion and SadOld are BOTH on tumblr, trying to do further damage control for ProDick and Hoelly. Why are they so determined that EVERYONE has to agree with them and love those two jackasses?
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When Jared's brother inadvertently tells him to STFU and move the fuck on, instead of bringing up the drama all the time
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This woman is trying to be like one of the most popualar pokemon go youtubers ZoeTwoDots who is known for wearing a cringeworthy ribbon on her hair. Why.
Though by the way her hair looks she really tries hard to look like an anime girl which is embarrasing as hell. Girl, get a new haircut.
This is the part that really bugs me.
Someone is showing support towards Heidi? Turn this fucking car around! We gotta hit 'em with some HARD 'TRUTHS'!
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Some people just don't really interact with their family much over the internet, & from the looks of it, it seems like Jared has completely different interests & values than rest of his family. Also, some twins are close while other twins aren't.
However, I do
remember this one exchange…
Holly will default to the eternal side chick classic of, "his bitch wife broke him!!! he's emotionally damaged because of her!!! how dare she poison this well of manly love for me!!!"
It will never ever ever be because Jared is trash and selfish as fuck, it will have to be Heidi's fault somehow that Jared has got bored of Holly ages ago. He just can't trust enough to form attachments now!
Now that I think about it, SadOldMagician definitely
comes off as a clout-chaser, especially when his tumblr header says "Ask the Mod of
along with bragging about casually hanging out with Holly & naming what show he & Jared watch "together". He's getting a bit of a power-high being so close to Holly & Jared. Might want to watch out for that one…
I genuinely dont think Holly will let him end their relationship
If he thinks Heidi calmly telling him that she is having suicidal thoughts and wants to admit herself into a hospital is abuse wait until he tells Holly he wants to leave. We already know that she was threatening self harm when he didnt leave his wife soon enough for her liking, and we know she "used" to be abusive
, there is NO WAY he is leaving her without her threatening him every possible way
Also thinking about how Heidi admitted herself into that hospital makes me sad. Just imagine, you've been neglected and gaslit so much into thinking that you're an abusive
monster that you check yourself into a hospital knowing full well that the whole time you're gone Hoelly Clownrad will be sleeping in your house with your husband. Heartbreaking
The part that upsets me is that he later took every one of these small, vulnerable moments she shared with him and weaponized them just so that he could still seem like a good person in the public eye. The only consolation in this whole mess is that both Heidi and Ross were saved from abusive
relationships they probably wouldn't have left otherwise.
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OOF that view count. Especially compared the Vampire game 6 months ago, which was pulling in 20-30k an episode.
What's amazing is that we get to see a side-by-side of people who went to inpatient
Heidi who did it silently and didn't mention it until someone else brought it up years later in an attempt to hurt her
And Hoelly who announced going, showed off her "therapy art" and her bracelet for likes. Then weaponized it later to avoid criticism
Holy sucks but her emotions are still real. She probably did want to off herself over getting exposed at her moment of "triumph" when she thought she'd won. She overreacts to everything and creates her own reality and fears, so that period was probably really intense for her. It's not fake, it's delusional.
She still sucks and did wave the visit around publicly for pity points though. It's "evidence" in her victim
narrative of what a hard time she's having. That, and tweeting her dosage of meds like it was a big deal.
That's just it though, Anon. When she wields her emotions as weapons (a la "If you send me clown emojis, it will make me kill myself and it will be all your fault!" or "Heidi shouting at me to not fuck her husband really scared me, that's why I slandered her to anyone who would listen!"), she makes it incredibly difficult to believe that she'd magically find herself feeling suicidal when getting Jared away from heidi was always the end goal.
Like other anon said, you can compare and contrast what's legit or not: Heidi, felt suicidal, checked herself in, only told her husband and not her thousands of twitter follwers. Holly, claims to have felt suicidal, told legitimately everyone, checked herself in, continued to get updates about the world she was trying to avoid, spent the better part of a month showing off her therapy art and hospital bracelet like a psych admission was something to brag about.
It was enevitable for her to have those feelings, tbh. A ticking time bomb. The reason she was so scared of Heidi was because she was scared that Heidi would come out and say what happened. Heidi calling them out was what made her a threat to Holly, not her "abuse"
It's not unheard of for abusers to kill themselves once their victims
have come forward, and I believe that Holly is Heidi's abuser (well,
one of two) .
I dont doubt that Holly had those feelings, especially when she had thrown them around willy nilly during her marriage with Ross and in the messages Heidi found on Jared's old phone. Clearly she has struggled with mental health and suicidal thoughts in the past
My problem with it is that instead of taking the time in the hospital to reflect and come to terms with what happened and why she felt so guilty (seriously, she always talks about guilt but refuses to admit she did anything wrong? Like, sis, clearly you know deep down) but instead she used the time to receive drama info, paint keemstar fanart, and plan out her ultimate comeback tweets about how Heidi was evil the whole time!!!!
chaseface, here's the main twitter thread: https://twitter.com/_ShaneGill_/status/1281477664402894848>>1014920
shane posted a tweet stating that the other hosts didn't know before hand (just administration) but once the news hit they as a group decided to kick him out once the news hit (cap is in a previous thread, i don't care to dig for it at the moment), but I'd totally believe that they changed their tune and started saying he left to cover for him now that he's 'safe' to again. they're all fake woke bros
my bad about remembering wrong abt jared leaving, but you're right, it was a pr move and nothing more, they still care and associate with the guy on the dl
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I seriously doubt she spent more than a day in that hospital, despite her claims.
Socialblade can still track your shit while you're on lockdown.
Holly deleted over 50 tweets during the period she claimed she was hospitalized, except for a single day out of the lot.https://imgur.com/a/Sa7QVfe
It's really telling that she immediately went into "cover my ass" mode and deleted things. Clearly aware of past tweets that made her look bad.
If you go to a hospital's emergency room for a mental health crisis, sometimes they do not hold you overnight. It's possible that she was admitted (on her own or by order of a therapist if she's admitted to self-harming thoughts) held for a few hours, evaluated and sent home. Did she actually say that she was held in a mental health facility for any period of time?
Imgur link at >>1015497
has screenshots of her claiming on May 20th that the reason she didn't speak out sooner was because she'd checked herself in at the hospital on the 9th.
Dubious people claim they visited her every day she was there, also adding t the claim that she'd been there for days.
Her Twitter activity clearly shows otherwise, unless the people at the facility suck at keeping people off of the internet.
I mean I could imagine her giving jared or another friend her Twitter login and saying "please go through my tweets and delete anything people would find suspicious"
Also, if your friend is calling you every day while you're in a mental health hospital just to inform you updates on the drama you admitted yourself because of then your friend is an awful friend. Even if Holly begged for info, they should have known better
God, her whole initial comeback statement is awful. The whole "i was in a mental health hospital" guilt trip opening, the keemstar famart, posting Heidi's irrelevant sexts, pretty much outing Heidi's ex even though jared never had an issue with their relationship, saying its hard for victims
to leave their abuser then saying that if Heidi was really abused she would have left, so on so on. Its crazy how those tweets made such an impact on the drama, they are such a weak defense. I dont know how she built up so much goodwill
the screen shot is literally right there next to the links, and posting the links triggers
an archive.is archive which is useful in addition to screen shots.
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It's true, and the sooner Holly realizes it, the better.
"I'm an abuser who has learned and is doing better!"
She already said that about 2 years ago.
Thing is, the line doesn't end at 'doing better', you have to make an effort to continue
to do better.
She is WAY the fuck off the mark if she thinks 'doing better' means gaslighting the everloving fuck out of your fuck buddy's wife (now exwife) until she's suicidal and then publicly calling her abusive
to anyone who still believes her bullshit.
I cant find the screenshot of it but Heidi had a tweet a few months ago that was spot on about Holly's "former" abuse, it said something like "She is allowed to change and be a former abuser while I am unforgivable and incapable of being better" basically saying that Holly is allowed to be an abuse expert because she "used" to be abusive
, but she doesnt allow Heidi that same leeway
she also said something similar during phone gate, see >>1008204
it's spot on and totally in line with holly's narc world view. holly is the special mental health guru that gets to give unsolicited and baseless advice because she so so woke and self aware, but she doesn't see other people as people so she doesn't really believe other people are capable of of the self reflection of character development she is so of course if heidi fucks up once she's ruined forever and will never get better.
holly's delusions of grandeur are so great she literally things other people don't have real feelings or thoughts like she does. jared won't be held accountable or be expected to do any real
work towards being better because he's the beloved boy toy who got taken advantaged of, not a grown man who made bad decisions for selfish reasons, while heidi is the mean pretty girl with no depth or character beyond what holly sees, so she's broken forever and unfixable.
I swear I've seen it said here and on PULL that years ago Holly said that a symptom of her mental illness is that she lacks empathy for others
Idk how she went from that to being a mental health guru super be kind uwu lady
I buy it, honestly. For a non-Heidi example there was Hector Nevarro, who Holly's friend was literally brigading and harassing and all Holly said was "well he has me blocked shrug emoji
" while she still associates with said friend
She has made is VERY clear that bullying is only wrong when it happens to her, that she is the only person allowed to change for the better, that her story is the only one that should be believed, etc.
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You might be referring to this. Someone on the BPD subreddit mentioned that people with BPD will view themselves as empaths because they confuse feeling strong emotions with having empathy. They said BPD partners will become highly emotional about anything they can personally relate to, but if it's outside of their personal experiences then there's zero empathy from them. Pretty much Holly to a T from what I've seen so far
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Sorry for the double post, I couldn't upload more than one image at a time. I also found this posted there, and thought it was pretty fascinating how close it was to Jared and Holly's relationship.
Yeah, it's especially jarring when you see that every other post on her twitter is virtue signalling about how little empathy others have, and how much she hopes they can learn to empathize later in life. It's wild.
Also, I thought to most telling thing about this whole situation is that Holly posted this around the time Ross talked about being emotionally abused: https://twitter.com/HollyConrad/status/1005147295581536256
Suzy and Arin talked about how proud of her they were, and how much they love her in this post. And then, right after the allegations came out, Suzy and Arin both unfollowed Holly. It just doesn't add up with her story of Ross being okay with the situation.
It seems like for a minute Ross, Arin, and Suzy reigned her in and made her realise how shitty she was being… and then she immediately went back to Jared. This was posted in June and her and Ross announced their divorce in September (?) And she claims to have first fucked Jared at the October twitchcon he threatened to divorce Heidi over if she went to.
What the hell happened between June and September to make her go from this tweet to divorcing Ross, dropping the grumps friend group, and following Jared across the country???
Part of me thinks that when she was confronted by Ross her first thought wasnt "oh my God he is right I have been awful", it was "omg! This is what Heidi does to Jared! I can use this!"
That tweet is so fucking fake, UGH
I really do think DCA is to blame for everything. Holly finally had something to do besides be a cosplay diva/grump wife and it consumed her being
I've been trying to figure that out, too. I think her friends confronted her about her behavior, she realized she was going to lose them if she didn't change, then she went to Seattle for waffle crew episodes and ended up becoming even more codependently enmeshed with Jared during that time (probably due to being encouraged by Anna and Nate, being fed more lines about Heidi being abusive
, and the DCA plotline beginning to involve overt romance between their characters).
Here she says happy birthday to Ross: and calls him her husband: https://twitter.com/HollyConrad/status/1008414800299413507
Then she visits Seattle while Ross stays in California to watch the birds: https://twitter.com/RubberNinja/status/1017957258947223553
Then in late August she goes to Seattle for some "career thinking, dream achieving, and Portland seeing" while Ross stays behind and watches the birds again.
She spends all of September liking Strix / Diath fanart on twitter, talking about how she has codependency problems, and crying over a 'situation she can't fix' (AKA Jared's "abusive
And then in September, she and Ross divorce. So I'm guessing she changed for a month or two before going right back to her abusive
behavior from before.
Fuck yeah, why should Heidi let them have their canon Striath cake and eat it too. why the fuck did Heidi owe them her silence?
so many people will say "she should have never brought this to the public"
Why the hell not? Why cant she?
It's not like Jared just cheated, either. He and especially Holly took part in a literal smear campaign against Heidi, first behind the scenes, now in front. Why would she peacefully give up and let them win?
Not to mention that he posted the announcement without her knowing even what it said and blocked her from seeing it. What was she supposed to do? She couldn't even retweet it to be like "this is a mutual statement", did jared just expect her to find out from someone and make a similar statement?
suzy and arin praising or unfollowing holly sounds more like PR than anything else, so i woulnd't look much into it regarding their position in this mess.
But i would think that between the two, at least Arin would aggressively defend ross (not because i think suzy is a bad friend, just that she has a smaller presence and has fewer occasions to make an ass of herself defending him lmao)
Ntayrt but the archive kink doesn’t work for this >>1016442
and I’ve seen it fail for other posts too. Also pretty sure it’s standard here to upload screenshots
That's a good point. I do wonder how much of it is PR. Did they follow her again after things settled down? Also, it seems like even if they were worried about PR, it was always more Jared's mess in the beginning than Holly's. Holly only made a bad name for herself in the months after the allegations came out. >>1016529
Let me take some screenshots really fast and post them. Is it okay if I post a few posts back-to-back? That's mostly what I'm worried about. Also, I'm pretty sure there are screencaps of these things already in the archives, but I understand not wanting to dig through all of that to find them.
It’s all old milk anyway and if it’s already archived/screenshot then I wouldn’t worry about it.
(also sorry for forgetting to sage earlier)
Like how her Twitter says secular witch
Roleplaying a loud annoying witch in a long since cancelled DnD show doesnt make you an actual witch, Clownrad
Didnt DCA not even start until 2017? So this would be before he started fooling around with Hoelly. Maybe he just felt awkward on camera?
Also good on Heidi for not purging all her old content of them like Holly did
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> "It was hard, to see that my misery was caused by me and I was causing others pain."
You still are. >>1016496
>Part of me thinks that when she was confronted by Ross her first thought wasnt "oh my God he is right I have been awful"
Remember, Jared was initially offended
when Holly insulted his then-wife. She was probably taken aback by his reaction, & he probably distanced himself from her after that.
These tweets also come off like a loud performative declaration; "Look! I've changed! I'm not toxic
She wanted everyone
to see this, especially
…So Let's break down some words from Holly's 'defense' later in 2019:
>"The months @ProJared tried to separate from @AtelierHeidi were excruciating."
Holly definitely was taking several
different approaches to convince Jared to leave
> "I worried about him all the time. He was broken and I was powerless, barely able to even talk to him."This
is what she told herself whenever Jared tried to distance himself from her. The man clearly likes having his personal space & the boundary-stomping trash-witch couldn't seem to wrap her head around that.
Their relationship wasn't the best according to both
of them. They were pretty much a boyfriend & girlfriend who wanted to 'make it official' eventually, & then things just got stale & one got tired of the other.
I understand that sometimes people realize too late that they really shouldn't have gotten married, but telling your friends one thing while telling your wife the opposite is just about the dumbest way to go about it.
If you regret getting married, rip off the bandaid & tell your damn spouse about it
. Of course they're not going to accept it at first, spend some actual one-on-one time with them to work on it without
fucking someone on the side.
Tinfoil, but I get the impression that Holly was able to gaslight Ross (and Arin and Suzy by extension) into thinking there was no affair while they were separating, hence the mutual post about their "amicable" split. Then when the whole thing came out publicly, the whole group was probably like "oh shit it was real all along" because they had seen the signs but were manipulated into trusting her anyway. That's when they unfollowed Holly.
Has it been actually confirmed that Ross deleted the tweet that said they were splitting "with love" or whatever? It's understandable that he doesn't want to make a new statement, but deleting the only statement that said things were okay between them is pretty loud and clear. Especially because Holly stans were pointing at it like, "look, here's evidence that they are on good terms and split amicably!" That had to have been super annoying and hard to handle if it was a lie, especially a lie he believed at the time.
Oooooooooof. And that bus video was March 2016 >>1016821
I think they were doing shit behind the scenes way before Diath went full tilt, as well. Like sexually roleplaying, commissioning drawn and written porn, etc. Does anyone remember when Heidi said that jared came home from a DCA trip excitedly telling her how the cast decided to turn Striath from sibling love to romantic love? I remember her mentioning it in her live stream
I also remember her saying that at one point she told Jared that he was getting a little too obsessed with DCA when he was spending all day every day texting in the cast group chat. I wonder if that was one of Holly's reasons for calling her abusive
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no it was definitely this tweet (sorry for poor quality just took a screenshot off google)
I dont even think she really likes nature/the forest. I think she just does those things and posts about it because she wants it to be her new personality/thing since Strix is dead. She seems like she wants to be seen as the kind of person who is like that instead of just actually being a person like that, if that makes sense. And I'm far from the first to point out that it is one of the many things she has copied from Heidi
Maybe I'm just overthinking but idk all her recent forest shit just seems really fake and forced, not at all genuine
INB4 she finally makes her Strix comic/continuation (so, never) and reverts back into the trash witch DnD persona and ditches the forest stuff
Exactly! Why is she trying to emulate the woman she has been slandering for years now and claims to literally fear
Obviously she is still somehow insecure when it comes to Heidi which is nuts since ya know she won Jared, got them to divorce, helped him abuse her, and not to mention that Heidi has made it very clear she would never want Jared back. She is living the pickme fantasy and yet…
Maybe it was because the initial support Heidi got at the beginning of the drama? Seeing all the memes and posts about how much more attractive and talented Heidi is might have seriously effected her or made her worried that Jared would start to agree. But you think the year of a majority support she has gotten would help, she literally turned public opinion for the most part, so why is she still so salty
The real question is if she even is aware of it or is her new wannabe Heidi persona is all subconscious
She wants everyone shipping them like people used to ship Striath. Think how easy it would he to convince yourself you're not a bad person for cheating when you have thousands shipping and adoring you and your married boyfriend. Heidi popped her little fantasy dnd world bubble and now she has to face the facts that their relationship isnt some epic dramatic love story but instead just another toxic
I wonder if in a world where Heidi never spoke out they actually thought that they would be able to announce their relationship without people realizing that it started wayyyy before they were both single
Wasnt there someone who predicted it on rantgrumps months before the drama? And people who saw them canoodling at cons? They were not subtle, both on DCA and off
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This one made me sad. Isn't this the twitch con where Jared and Holly slept together for the first time? Poor Ross. You can tell he really loved Holly and she still left him for someone who won't even recognize her existence on social media.
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Also, one thing I noticed that Heidi was so supportive of Jared every time he was mentioned. No matter how you slice it, I just don't see abusive behavior here.
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Looking back on all of the posts here, it really seems like Holly projected her own issues with her mom onto Heidi and afterwards wasn't able to see beyond the emotional response that elicited in her. The sad thing is they probably could have worked this out if they'd just kept talking, but Jared was somehow able to successful triangulate them before it got to that point.
I thought it was interesting that in Jan 2018, Holly, Jared and Anna were all commenting on fanart anytime someone posted some. By Nov 2018, though, Holly was the only one regularly still looking up fanart. She would also only look up fanart when she simultaneously posted about feeling depressed, which makes it pretty clear she was trying to get Jared to pay attention to her during those times.
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see, it WAS heidi's fault! holly wanted to be a good friend and did what heidi asked of her!
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Last picture: Jared was joking, I'm sure, but I think this actually sums up why DCA got to be so popular and also why it ended up destroying so many relationships.
this is so fucking cringe, he was posing as a veteran method actor over a fucking dnd game, and people were eating that shit up.
Have you tried watching an episode? my mirror neurons were committing suicide after .30 seconds of jared, sorry, DIATH, expressing his emotions for strix. he sounded like he was constipated and he was asking for a laxative
This just sounds…unhealthy. I don't know how exactly, but it just does, mainly on part of the fan who wrote that. Everyone in the situation, fans, Jared, Holly, got so unhealthy into the characters that it was just kind of weird. I'm sure many of us have gotten super in character at times in our D&D games but not to the point where it overtook our lives or people started seeing us strictly as our characters.
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Isnt it strange how he knows exactly what Heidi said and he feels the need to state that he doesnt believe it?
Crazy how the people who tell us we hate stalk Holly literally do the same thing, hmm?
His whole blog is unprofessional cringe. He answers questions as if he is Jared's personal assistant yet he also digs at Heidi and appears to be caught up on all her activities. In one breath he says to move on from the drama and in the next he makes it very clear that he still stalks Heidi's every move
Who knows, maybe Holly's obsessive stalking rubbed off on him
His wife sometimes chastises Heidi on Twitter.
Gotta keep that fear in her.
That image is proof that her whole "I USED to be abusive
but I'm not anymore!" Thing is bullshit
So many of those tweets are suicide bait or mental health guilt clearly aimed at Jared, and that's just what she said publicly on twitter. Heidi has said multiple times that there were messages from Holly on that infamous old phone of his telling him that she would kill herself if he didnt leave Heidi sooner.
It really makes you see those messages Heidi send to Jared about Holly's twitter behavior in a new light.
I just dont know how she managed to convince him that Heidi was the abuser threatening suicide when she was posting this shit. Like, was he going along with it knowing it was BS or was he that witchmatized that he couldn't realise that Hoelly was projecting her own controlling abusive
behavior over him on to Heidi
Both. Jared isn't an innocent victim
who got caught up in the witch puss - At any time, Jared could have came out and said "This is all bullshit, Hoelly is fucking insane and Heidi is telling the truth" to save his own ass. If he can convince the world that Heidi is abusive
, he'd have no problem doing the same with Hoelly since her behavior actually IS abuse. He wouldn't have got Heidi back, but he'd have been a "free agent" to do what he wanted without TrashBitch looking over his shoulder and could maybe even have salvaged his already-fledgling career.
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…And just in case anyone wants to call this photographer a 'simp'. He was friends with all 3 of them.
This is so unprofessional. Most actors praise the art itself and the work the artist put into it but she entirely focuses on the fantasy element. Its clear she is enmeshed in the character and can't separate the fantasy of the relationship from the reality of her and Jared and their situations.
It's also clear that a big part of the thrill of being with Jared was the performative nature of it through the game. Interesting contrast between how enthusiastic and engaged she was with DCA and how detached she is in the new game. Apparently she doesn't enjoy the actual game aspect but rather the ability to completely immerse herself into a fantasy. Work and her personal life weren't separate, she wants them to merge.
Seems very unhealthy and obsessive.
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I appreciate that he points this out, because SO many of the creators who supported Hored felt the need to say that they couldn't believe Heidi because Jared and Holly were always so kind to them
I'm sure Holly is super nice to you as long as you're not with the guy she wants, and I'm sure Jared is nice as long as you dont ever tell him no
The stans who discredit this photographer because they think Heidi manipulated him with her evil mastermind ways are the same stans who cant see that maybe Hored manipulated their public supporters as well
As if the small small time stay at home wife creator with >100k supporters definitely had more power than two large long time respected creators with hundred of thousands of supporters and a massively successful DnD show
Also has anyone ever pointed out that Heidi's influencer supporters are all small time photographers/cosplayers while Hored's are the big time youtubers in their community? Something about that doesnt sit right with me
This is just showing how extremely
determined he is to make up his own version of events with no evidence rather than accept a reasonable explanation from Heidi. Even though he repeated that explanation in his defense. He's like, "yeah I took her story and changed random details and decided that's the truth because I Know Best" even when it's something this minor, random and inconsequential. Why not assume the whole anecdote is a lie instead of writing your own fanfiction?
It would be easier to take him seriously if he showed the smallest amount of logic or moderation. At this point SadOld is looking like a baby narcissist living vicariously off the high he gets from associating with his DCA heroes, trying to prove that makes him important. How embarrassing.
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In an apparent bid to look like less of the obsessive nutjob that we know her to be, Hoelly has apparently taken to liking Jared's post on her "business" twitter rather than on her personal account.
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She's also apparently forgetting that the difference between people pleasing and emotional abuse is labeling your fuckbuddy's wife an "unfixable abuser" with BPD because she wouldn't let you fuck him is emotional abuse, and her letting her husband fuck his coworker while asking only for transparency is people pleasing.
You're still the bad guy here, Hoelly.
>>1017460>Also has anyone ever pointed out that Heidi's influencer supporters are all small time photographers/cosplayers while Hored's are the big time youtubers in their community? Something about that doesnt sit right with me
well, it makes sense, heidi wasn't really a youtuber and never had a twitch presence. she did cosplay and convention things, so its probably more that all the photographers that she worked with separately from jared respect her.
whereas all the youtubers/streamers side with holly because they profit from content theyve done with her and they can continue to use her as a resource, etc.
which by the way is just another demonstration of how fucking ugly holly's character is. she really pulled her through the mud with a demographic that isn't even related to heidis'. heidi was speaking as heidi, the wife of jared, and holly was speaking as youtuber commander holly with millions of jareds followers. just so fucking gross.
Nah, it'll be a toss up of the "If you were abused, you wouldn't go back" followed up by the "It takes abuse victims
on average of 7 times to actually leave their abusers for good" tweets……though the "I'm sorry, I'm mentally ill" takes a close second place.
sage for ot, but i'm pretty sure ross would have moved for holly had this be genuine. it's not like he's trying to get a job at a major studio, he wants to do his own thing, connections in LA matter but it's not like he'd be totally isolated had he left, he still had a lot of close friends and colleagues in the area to help keep him connected
holly gaslit him into thinking it was an impossible choice they had to make. poor guy.
part of her pick me fantasy is the other girl being jealous/miserable, i do believe she's chasing that pure adoration form fans again, but i also feel like she probably still stalks heidi's socials and is a little miserable everytime she sees that heidi's doing better after loosing 120lbs of worm dick and not worse. holly will never be happy despite 'winning' because she's so insufferably insecure>>1017198oof
. other anons were trying to write off how awkward/rough this twitch con was for ross earlier because 'technically' they were separated at this point, but I think any normal person would feel something. even if she didn't abuse him, and emotionally cheat, and manipulate and gaslight him and all his friends for months before hand, it's still damn trashy how soon this was.>>1017206
true, this is not 100% proof, but it's hilarious how heidi can talk like a normal person while holly can't seem to hold it together for more than a month at a time despite her job literally being a social media personality.
Holly is too stupid to realize she can never "win" against Heidi. They don't have any life or career goals in common. Heidi, just recently said she would never be a streamer or media content creator. She only wants to use her talents to create a livable income and enjoy her hobbies.
Holly on the other hand wants to be beloved, win against pretty girls, and be famous. She wants to be an icon or personality or define herself by her likes and interests instead of her likes and interests reflecting who she is. So she's now skin walking Heidi because Heidi naturally has a strong aesthetic related to her hobbies and craft. I think it has less to do with Jared and more to do with an imaginary competition she has with Heidi.
Any time I read Jared stands raging against Heidi I shop at her store. Because in the end, she seems way more dedicated to supporting herself and moving on than Holly the trust fund baby's obsession with being the true victim
The way Heidi curates really cute outfits with her products makes me think anons are right on the money when they say Jared is trying to be fashionable on his own because his wife dressed him to look decent. I mean he's ugly as fuck so Heidi did salvage all that she could.
You're so right, I just went to the crowning Hens website and the only thing they are selling are overpriced unbalanced ugly dnd die and sticker books
Some merch brand you got there, Hoelly.
The whole website is just her little blog where she writes nonsense about the aesthetic she wishes she had
Even if moving had been a real issue they could have done long distance. With Holly supposedly being asexual/demisexual-who’s-never-had-romantic-feelings-before-meeting-
Jared it’s unlikely they were having sex anyway, and in videos Holly was visibly annoyed whenever she had to be around Ross. Obviously we know that it wasn’t about the trees for Holly but I wonder to what extent Ross bought into that lie. Maybe part of him was happy to have an out from the marriage.
>>1017931>Holly is too stupid to realize she can never "win" against Heidi.
That's why she keeps going after her. She's going to always go after her even when Jared abandons her for another woman and starts crying abuse. If anything, she'll probably show more animosity towards Heidi when that happens because her jealousy issues are unchecked and out of control.>>1017935
Holly's website looks like a chaotic mess. There's too much clutter on there and barely anything in the shop. It doesn't really compete with Heidi's website.
I don't see the sticker album but there's this "spooky scout field book" that comes with a sticker if you buy the physical copy….
And what the nine hells is it? All it says is it starts your journey as a "spooky scout". Doesn't tell you anything else about it. And seven dollars for a 14-page booklet? With lots of blank pages, and otherwise full of old, probably unlicensed photographs with slendermans doodled in?
What a scam.
>>1018003>Maybe part of him was happy to have an out from the marriage.
nah, considering he went back and deleted the 'amicable split' tweet, it really feels like he was still eating holly's shit up at the time, but he seems to know better now. good on him.>>1017935>>1017943>>1018014
probably best not to mention heidi's shop here unless it's relevant to new drama. i know heidi doesn't hide it or keep it a secret or anything, but holly obsessively lurks and will somehow twist heidi's shop even being mentioned here as some sort of convoluted attack. holly and her fans are crazy like that.
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jared's thumbnails are really the gifts that keep on giving, huh
Holy shit, Holly really is desperate to be Heidi, right down to the foraging. Except Heidi collects pinecones and things for decorating and crafts, meanwhile Holly just picks up a couple of stones.
She tries so hard it's desperate. Witchcraft is more than collecting a few twigs, Holly. You're embarrassing to us.
Have you seen the puddle of nonsense she uses to define witchcraft?
It's in the blog section of her store.
It's not about whether or not it's real, though the cultural practices rooted in thousands of years of history that certain peoples still practice today are very real to them. (I'm not talking about that stuff Gardener wrote last century to get laid, and the rest is an off-topic religious debate)https://www.wecrowinghens.com/blog/why-we-crowing-hens
I've seen crappy young adult fiction novels with better-expressed "deep beliefs" than this. It's just another costume Holly puts on, like Commander Shepard.
Of course witchcraft isn't real in the sense you think it is.
So no, I wasn't afraid of the moon hex, because it's physically impossible.
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with the video title i couldn’t resist adding holly
Because you have "witches" like Holly screaming, "You know magic! I know magic!". Blame Holly for that.>>1018581
Her face makes it more horrifying. Perfect, anon.
Hahaha this reminds me of the Heroes of Cosplay episode where Holy claimed that she made her first "cosplay" as a little kid by strapping a pillow to her back and calling it a Koopa Trooper.
Okay sure, playing dress up is a completely normal childhood experience and basically everyone does it. But according to Holly, she's a real prodigy who invented cosplay in her living room and means it more authentically than anyone else!!! She did it before you!!!!
I can believe shes been jnto witchcraft since a child bc she's a potterhead, but this.brings in another question: how is she conciling liking a lame franchise from a violent transphobic cunt with her mostly left and queer persona?
I think that's why she pivoted to the spell casting and REAL MAGIC side of it, and well, because you cant profit from an existing franchise, but also now you dont need at all to reckon the whole "jk rowling is problematic
and i need to move on from hp"
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I dislike how Halloween and mushrooms are considered personality traits.
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I thought Holly was taking a Twitter break but nah, she is just using @wecrowinghens as a second account
She has such a hard time separating herself and personal life from her business, weird considering she shares it with Kayla, it's not even her own brand.
Very professional, Holly
Just ignore it, anon. Take it to /ot/. >>1019663
Kayla is like Holly's assistant, except she does all the work. Maybe Holly thinks she's the "face" of their productions. Kek.
wecrowinghens.com is a fucking mess. It's cluttered, no real "mission statement" type introduction, and it links to Holly's vanity projects. I mean Holly should just admit it's her personal website instead of some kind of group or merch store. It has no real philosophic message other than contradicting an attempt at one.
I mean the thing about projects is that you keep them separate. Holly is throwing everything and the kitchen sink so it can stick.
Didn't she also change the name of her YouTube channel to WeCrowingHens? Like, didnt make a new channel of anything, just rebranded her old one to keep the subs
She had a chance with this to make her own brand, she really did. TrashWitchCoven was always gonna be attached to strix and the drama, but she could have made crowinghens her own forestgirlclothing where it is a legitimate business… but no. She fucked it all up. And now that we are talking about it all her fake friends who monitor this thread will tell her we brought it up and she will go nuclear
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Also your underage fans when exchanging nudes with you
Yeah, except he fucked that up too when he said "I feel that what I was doing was not predatory. But it was unhealthy". He still doesn't really recognize what he did as sketchy and wrong.
The irony is that he also said that it was not as bad because "I never offered anyone anything in return, like making them a Twitch mod or early access to a YouTube video or whatever". Hoelly is doing exactly that for her staunchest defenders in SadOld and GeraldoGuac.
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Oh, and lets not forget the fact that the "youve been lied to" video is now unlisted. If he were so deadset on correcting the "lies", why would he then unlist the video again?
i mean, to be fair, it's clear he's doing his best to not be associated with this situation anymore. His streams are full of fans who still support him, true, but there are often trolls trying to get a rise out of him and he keeps on dismissing them without referencing the specifics of the past year.
Do i personally want to have him more accountable for the nude blog? absolutely.
But him delisting his video is not "burying evidence", it's leaving the video up for reference but not having it popping up in people's suggestions or in his content playlist. You can still view it if you have the link to it.
that said, fuck this guy, if anything good came of him being exposed of the slimey dick he is it's that he's stopping pretending to be a fuzzy wuzzy teddy bear who's your parasocial best friend. I hope he keeps on working for a long time cus the alimony doesn't pay itself and Heidi deserves every bit of that
"i feel like Squall's attempt of being Rinoa's shining knight it's like a 13 year old's idea of being a protective partner. like, if i can't be with you i'll kill myself! it's like, what?? that's not ok! like, that's not romantic! stop that, right now!"
i think it's the thousand yard stare after that statement that gets me
The fact that he says that without a hint of
….oh…OH MY GOD" realization is just too much - unless he absolutely DOES know and is just trying to vague Hoelly like Ross did in that VR video from before where he talked about his abusive
ex (that we all know was Holly) without mentioning her name.
Is he seriously delusional enough to think that Heidi calmly telling him that she is having suicidal thoughts and checking herself into a hospital is abusive
but Holly texting him that she will kill herself if he doesn't leave his wife sooner isnt?
Lately he seems to be more irritable and defensive than usual, and not just his usual deflective pissiness when losing a game of Magic the Gathering. My boyfriend throws on his streams for background some nights. Last night he started the stream late and ended it early, citing 'real life' happenings and having to get shit done. Okay. But then (with no one in the chat saying boo besides the dick suckers) he aggressively repeats shit like "if you don't like it too bad we have lives too ffs we're real people" when he bring up the timing of the stream. Like… seriously? Oh and protip ProDick: when you have to say a bit is over, it didn't land.
He definitely ain't loving his job rn. He's not even trying to put on a face for the camera anymore, and when he is in entertainer mode it usually slips away with an emo or little bitch moment. He said himself that he didn't want to be discussing Final Fantasy at 40, and even made an off-handed comment about becoming more disenchanted with Dungeons and Dragons because of the fan base (lol). He's probably seeing that the end of SOMETHING is near. Midlife crisis incoming?
Honestly he's always been that way on Twitch. I don't think he takes criticism, helpful or otherwise, well. I popped into one of his streams back before the drama and he snapped at the chat for telling him what the armor does. He was so condescending and it was hella awkward
Then the chat asked him what was up with him and he's like "I'm not well" in a pissy tone. Then don't stream in a piss-ass mood or ignore the chat?
do you remember when you watched that stream? maybe it was the Drama Year (tm) and he was miserable for that as well.
for once i wouldnt shit on holly: this is entirely sailor mercury's fault. i hope they're happy, honestly. Too bad if he doesnt want to work anymore, that alimony doesnt pay for itself! hope heidi gets all the money she deserves lmao
It's so infuriating, tbh. He is lucky enough to have a successful online platform AND an extremely
dedicated fanbase and yet he goes on stream and complains about his job and how he has to work
How old is he? 31? Yeah, he can fuck off. We cant all have a job about something we are so passionate about, the fact that he is so young yet still complaining about having to work is pathetic. If he doesnt like his job anymore, fine, then he can get a "real" job like the rest of us. He isnt owed an early easy retirement at fucking 30 jfc
CONDESCENDING! THAT'S THE WORD!
His aloof character was played up as a joke (Asagao Academy being a good example) so he would oftentimes get away with being smug. Him live, though, he's really that much higher on his pedestal than the plebs who put food on his plate.
He's one of those guys who says "oh I'm totally open to criticism and improving" until he actually gets it and comes up with either a dismissal of said critic or 101 justifications for whatever he is being criticized for, unless it is from someone who holds higher status than him. He'll tuck his tail between his legs when in the face of actual power (him and the Nintendo rep together was painful). I'll bet blood he's a bigger pussy than a Maine Coon.
Late reply but it was around 2017? Possibly late 2016
So it wasn't really close to anything notable that relates to the Drama IIRC
yeah, also she wasn't editing live streams, IIRC, but long plays where he would converse with her in a way.
I hope she's doing alright.
Have you ever checked his video about pondering what to do with the let's play channel? it's so damn manipulative towards miss editor, lol. It was somewhat right after the HeidiNuke, so it's understandable he was still salty and raw, but his continuining going on about how the let's play channel was fun EXCLUSIVELY thanks to Miss Editor, and now she, UNDERSTANDABLY (please imagine him saying this in the most passive aggressive way possible) wants to distance herself from him really put him in a bad spot because, oh poor him, he really has no idea what to do with the channel..!!
yeah, take a hike, dude.
Don't feel too bad for her. When the scandal originally broke, she posted in r/ProJared outing her identity (she'd previously remained anonymous) so that people could follow and support her… not a single word addressing his victims
or the harm he'd done, just drawing attention to herself and asking for follows.
When he did his comeback livestream, she was right there in the chat supporting him and donating.
If you're talking about the willing fans who slept with him, sent him nudes and then got ghosted, that was pretty shitty, but i wouldn't say they were VICTIMS
(the ones that were of age at least, the ones who were underage and lied about it… it's not completely their fault but man, i'm glad i'm not a kid at the age of the internet).
i mean the only real victim
is just one, and that's Heidi, but i guess that if you're friends with only jared you would end up believing his side of the story re: their marriage.
Still pretty disappointed in miss editor.
I thought he was closer to 30, but 35 is still too young to be bitching about the job you created for yourself and wanting to retire/not work anymore. I think it just shows how privileged he was pre drama that he could have retired (or just do DCA), but now that he has taken a financial hit he has to work harder than before. I understand that he doesnt like the idea of facing 40 and still reviewing video games but… that's the job HE created for himself. Its not like anyone forced his hand, he was always going to turn 40 eventually, drama or not. That's the content he decided to make.
I dont mean to say that it's wrong to bitch about your job, we all do it, but doing it in front of your fanbase constantly is just fucking weird man, especially when that fanbase constantly donating and supporting you is your main source of income, and a majority of them are working "real" jobs and probably dont want to hear someone who was lucky enough to make it complain about how hard it is to have made it
Jared abused the adoration and willingness of his fans to do anything for him, down to fucking him in what we can only assume to be dumpy hotel rooms near whatever convention center he was at - They were victims
of PedoDick's emotional manipulation. Just because they were of age doesn't make it less shady to tell them whatever they needed to hear to become his latest pump-and-dump.
this anon >>1021677
cara was in jared's comeback stream cheering him on so it sounds like it was just a pr move. weird she's coming up the in conversation when her new game just released.>>1022941
pur only said that he mad a pass at her, not for nudes
i didn't say it was "just" a pass, and i didn't say he was "respectful" i just wanted to correct misinformation because if the info here keeps getting mangled by anons who are too lazy to read that only gives holly and other jared stans justification to dismiss the pile of evidence against jared, including pur's statement.
pur is justified in speaking about her experiences and in cutting jared out. don't twist her words.
I think anon meant that jared didnt ask PUR for nudes, but "just" made a pass on her.
Who knows, maybe his pass on her was asking for nudes lol, we don't know, but that was the misinformation they were trying to dispel; theres no need to create false rumors that would just delegitimize the real shit he did
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>>1023239> Nobody here is twisting PUR's words
Did you read who they were responding to? A poster implied she said he asked for nudes. That is not what she said. Listen to the victims
, it's disrespectful to twist their words like that.
I wonder what the heavy, explicit pass was? Considering his behavior, I wouldn’t put it past him asking her straight out if she wanted to fuck. I’m sorry to hear that pur was another victim
of his advances, and much bravery to her for coming out with it.
this vlog from Jacksepticeye's ex Wiishu has the same energy at 2:20.
Wiishu with a sad expression looking out the window while Jack seems more interested in his phone than her.
Even the thumbnails are similar.(derailing)
Yeah, esp cus it was hilarious how Pat the NES punk and Marzgurl only talked about their bad experience with Jared, like, at least Pur have an example of the crux of the problem with Jrd, that is him being a sexpest.
Pat and Marzgurl were just sitting on these story about Jrd being a selfish and shitty friend and immediately took on the opportunity to finally tell the world why he's lame. Good for them, that must have felt good ahah
why do people here get so upset and cry misogyny when corrected? all they did was offer a correction with no opinion. same thing just happened when someone corrected another anon about pur's statement. 'yall really need to make up an opinion to argue against just to make yourself feel better about being wrong?
her being married doesn't make him look any better, they both seem shady.(derailing)
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>You enter the tavern and see a new miniature that represents Strix's appearance after an Elven tailor and her Dire Lion companion broke Strix's legs.
>A successful perception check allows you to hear a voice squawking "This post is abuse! This post is abuse! And it is very ableist!". It seems to be emanating from the Twitter Plane, but it could just be a Kenku pickpocket messing with you.
Aside from holding a crescent staff, I'm not seeing the Strix ressemblance. No horns, no ragged clothes… and this character is clearly of the Druid class.
Has Holly tried to claim it's based on her or something?
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What a short & sweet way to defend herself.
No needless self-flagellation, no guilt-tripping, or twee catchphrases/hashtags…
Sage this shit, Heidi ass-kissing or her responding to hate comment isn't milk.
But also, I need the name of her therapist. Because the way she has publicly handled everything thrown at her in a reasoned, calm and usually nonconfrontational way is pretty impressive.
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Lmaooo didn't he post his cringey head-in-hands insta post the day their divorce finalized? And didn't Heidi actually file the divorce because he was never willing to? Yeah buddy, I'm sure you're soooooo happy now
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saged because not adding anything
but this could almost be a sub-tweet at holly and her non-advise mental health advise but she does clarify in the replies this tweet is in response to someone trying to dm her about her health.
also, she finally made a personal private twitter. all heidi "milk" about to be totally cleaned up. good for her.
Didn't he post his feelsbadman.jpg instagram post on the day of the divorce, thereabouts?
Sure, Jared. Sure.
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That doesnt seem very "uwu cancel culture bad" of you, Jared.
Also one could argue that Holly is a content creator who spent years bullying his wife
Reading all the hidden replies and knowing he read them too is fucking hilarious. Always good to see others holding him accountable since most of twitter circlejerks his comeback story
It's wild that he felt comfortable making this kind of post. I guess he thinks this is on brand for his new "bullying is bad" campaign, but jeez. He's basically advocating for cancel culture, as long as it's not aimed at him. It's at least consistent with his "punish people I don't like but never me" narrative.
He could have just as easily kept his mouth shut, but no, he just HAD to dunk on a more well-known creator facing consequences. Has leafy every even bullied Jared? Or is Jared just acting like a smug asshole because leafy was "one of the bad ones"?
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I love that some of the popular folks who defended him are now disappointed in him.
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The replies are gold too
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Dunno yet, but there's also this…
What was his stupid quote that Twitter thought was so woke? "Everybody loves cancel culture until they get cancelled" he sure is liking Leafy getting the boot, guess cuz it's not him it's okay
Does anyone know how he reacted to the jontron controversy way back when?
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Still at it
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>>" I feel no pity for "content" creators whose sole existence was bullying other people."
…But it's okay when your fan here does it, right?
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Lol. Nobody is buying your fake woke shit, ProDick
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That just about sums it up.
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And I, oop
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Oh you sweet, summer child…
Jared has always been a part of 'the internet mob'.
You dont get to decide whether or not you cheated on someone, just like you dont get to decide whether or not you hurt someone.
Also your mistress literally tweeted that she hooked up with you in October 2018, 8 months before you announced your divorce. You telling me you "left" your wife but continued to live with her for 8 months, not to mention tell her your willing to work on it and literally go to couples therapy together
He and his fans always say that he tried to leave her, but I dont think saying "maybe we should break up" and then agreeing to try to fix it instead counts as leaving…
Does he not think that sleeping with another woman, constantly texting hwr
*constantly texting her counts as cheating?
Sorry, hit send too soon lmao
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> didn't he half-heartedly murmur something about not sending Heidi any hate in his 'comeback' video and now he's rewarding these kind of tweets with likes lmfao.
His mistress is really getting to him if hes interacting with this shit.
God what is happening it's like him and Holly switched places. Holly is acting relatively normal and posting selfies and whatever and he is dragging up drama and liking shitty anti sjws sentiments like this
Most of Heidi's supporters are women, I really dont know where they get the idea that anyone who believes her is just a simp guy trying to bang her, they must have her confused with Holly
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Tinfoil: Holly is gonna be in the new AcqInc DnD show possibly as Strix and Jared is acting out because he is jealous
I just think she is because she was recently liking posts from last week about the show on her crowing hens account and because she posted like 5 selfies the other day all dolled up, one on her insta story said something like "wonder what I'm all dressed up for?"
Bitxh boy Jared is probably mad that she gets to continue being in the dnd space while he is blacklisted, hell didn't he even say the other week that he is disenchanted with DnD because of the community?
she looks ok because of the blatant filter abuse, but those rat earrings look like she's probably either bringing back strix or a strix knock off.
i wouldnt be surprised if she meets another "diath" type and magically falls in love with him and spout how horrible and evil jared is when she jumps on another person's generic oc's cock.
I might believe some of what she says when she leaves Jared, just because he does seem like a toxic
fucker to be in a relationship with. It was clear he was already manipulating her when he was still with Heidi (withholding affection to control her, ignoring her to keep her jumping through hoops.) I just won't have very much sympathy for her since they fucked up their and their partners' lives to be together.
At this point I can't tell which is abusing the other, honestly. Holly with her constant suicide bait and financial control and martyr complex or Jared with his shitty attitude and neglective tendencies
They both are awful to each other unless they are in a dnd game
Jared: Heidi's mental health, wellbeing, and privacy will always be my highest priorities. I hope we can exit this marriage with style and grace
Heidi: [presents detailed, thorough, transparent accounts of him abusing her]
Jared: lol she sucked anyway
Jared has never presented a clear picture of what supposedly went on, just ever-changing lies grasping for support wherever he can get it. He doesn't even seem to understand it himself. He just says anything he thinks will make him look good, and claims the constant lies are because he's "afraid".
God, the filter abuse is so jarring. Her skin has no texture. Also I never noticed how thin her lips are. Once she's moving on webcam we'll know how bad this actually is.
I don't know why any DnD group would bring her in at this point unless it was a very unknown production. She doesn't have much draw anymore and the comment section is going to have to be heavily moderated. She has the stink of infidelity/propedo on her and it's not going to go away
Can't help but wonder if she has been offered less and less DnD rolls because she is always asking the shows to invite Jared, too
That or Jared gets pissy and ghosts her until she quits and goes back to him saying she won't play without him
Nobody wants to sit in a Zoom call and watch two ugly gross people LARP their love affair and not let anyone else get any gameplay in (unless you're Anna doesnt-support-victims
Prosser, then Striath is your OTP and you will do anything you can to help)
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Wonder what he's doing checking dating apps.
I kind of hope he’ll start dating someone, Holly would have a meltdown because then it means the whole poly-thing is real and she won’t ever have him for herself. Would be really entertaining to see how it would turn out.
Though if this happens I’m going to feel a bit sorry for both parties, Jared doesn’t seem like the kind of person to put in the work required to have more than one partner (or any at all), he’s too narcissistic and would rather have the women to keep the relationships afloat through sheer adoration for him. Men like him wants a harem, not multiple relationships. (blogpost: I was in a poly relationship where the guy didn’t put in any work or respected both partners different needs, he was also a Jared stan that believed he was innocent)
It wouldn't surprise me if Holly has to pretend to be the poly coolgirl, especially so she can try to one-up Heidi because of what >>1028369
mentioned. Imagine her getting ignored in his twitch chat then going to beg for his attention only to get ignored for OKCupid or something.
jared: ahaha these lame ass people with lame ass meme twitter accounts
also jared in the first episode of a new playthorugh at 1:20 references vines meme because it's humour if we both know where a thing comes from.
Holly can't keep quiet about anything and she is AlWAYS victim
. If there was a breakup there would be nonstop posts and meltdowns that would go one of two ways:
Clown emojis killed her relationship and Heidi abused Jared so bad he could never love again.
Jared is abusive
and evil and betrayed and broke her innocent uwu heart.
I'm laughing so hard at the thought of her getting all dolled up and wearing her special Diath necklace for the Strix comeback all while Jared is sitting at home browsing tinder and tumblr for easy poon.>>1028346
Even if she's the ultimate cool girl and being poly is totally fine with her!!! It's still really embarrassing to have your boyfriend tweet about being on dating apps. People don't understand polyamory (and Jared clearly knows this) so most will assume that they did break up or that something is terribly wrong. I can only imagine what the dregs of their "Striath" fans think of this – wasn't this supposed to be the one true love that would save them? That they needed
to be together and anyone standing in their way was automatically bad and wrong?
They weren't able to become the DnD power couple they wanted to be because everyone makes fun of them for being gross. Their dedicated ship fans were some of the only supporters of their relationship, and now they're shitting on that too. Plenty of people who follow one of them think the other is a bad influence, especially Holly fans disliking Jared. No one wants to see them together and they're making sure of it lol.
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He feels superior to meme accounts because he has "real" popularity and followers.
Plenty of people would consider running a huge meme account to be an accomplishment, or at least a kinda neat tidbit about their personality. But Jared, Professional Youtuber, is in the 1% of people who can say, "oh a meme
account? That's nothing…" because he gets that much interest in his personal life. So he had to let everyone know, its not an accomplishment!! Especially not compared to him!
also can I just chime in and say that a GOOD meme account is actually tougher than it looks? To be a successful meme account you have to consistently upload so you're not forgotten and keep up with every latest trend/meme, you have to curate/create memes that people like and are consistently funny so that you are shared/retweeted/liked, but also if you do too much of the same meme in a row you'll bore people, you should have a bit of personality or at least be interesting but if you start posting too much about yourself it'll seem like clout chasing and not just a "faceless" meme account (like oh posting selfies or plugging yourself to your audience? I thought you were a meme account)
Like besides the fact Jared is both not picking up on sense of humor and also becoming a "am I out of touch? no, it's the children who are wrong" trope, he is also losing his relevancy as a niche creator for a genre (retro games) that are losing popularity. Everyone knows by now X or Y game sucks or is great. People don't watch game grumps (like them or hate them) because they want to see obscure retro games or get a review, they want to see people be entertaining.
If you want a good retro games channel, Nitro Rad is to-the-point, explores a lot of actually
less known titles or games you maybe remember vaguely from your childhood, and gives good technical reviews with context about the era. Oh also he hasn't been sending his dick to fans, gaslighting his partner and cheating on her with a milquetoast DnD married player
As much as I love the idea of him on tinder with Hoelly in the room, I think if he was people would have posted Screenshots of his profile by now, especially since he lives in a major city
The fact that he looks down on people who run major social media accounts just shows how old and out of touch he is. I don't know who he is to judge content when he has literally has the most boring twitch stream I've EVER watched, not to mention the months and months long breaks he took from youtube once his affair began. Fucking a clown, gaslighting an elf and LARPing the world's most generic DnD character really took all his time and effort that he couldn't make content, apparently. I even remember checking his youtube during those years to see if he ever uploaded and seeing community posts like "sorry guys I'm having a hard time irl uwu"
I've seen Muta's videos and he is soooo hit or miss, it's frustrating
Sometimes he is so sharp and on the point about a current drama, and he's very tech savvy so he knows his shit, but other times I feel like he gets carried away by emotion, like with the Jared situation
He was the one I expected to see through the bullshit Jared and Holly pulled and he's not been afraid to punch up if he needed to, but I don't know if he had a stroke for "bro solidarity on the internet" or he just didn't actually dive deep into the drama because he gave a lukewarm response to it.
Like sure Treecicle is a small channel and they clammed up immediately at the smallest hint of confrontation and I lost a lot of respect for them, but I thought Muta was smarter than that. He got added to my list of channels whose opinions I should take with a pinch of salt.
It's not even necessarily that if he didn't defend Heidi then he's uwu bad, but you can tell when someone ACTUALLY did research not just on what was tweeted today or yesterday, but months or years ago, because none of this happened in a vacuum. This was a buildup happening over literal years but everyone just saw the explosion cloud and decided from there. If you're not going to get a full picture about the situation, don't make a fucking video on it.
Ngl I love that Indian but "dude bro" was the first impression I got from his takes, not to mention Muta making reference to Jared's Twitch account at the end of a video that iirc wasn't centered around the drama. Muta isn't a journalist or a news reporter, he doesn't have to be unbiased on the topics he covers, but he did seem to really have Jared's back rather than speaking of the drama as an example of cancel culture and it's potential aftermath. >>1028346
And he's having a birthday stream this week. What do you all want to bet he wants for his birthday? Good timing for a reference to dating apps and, ya know, harmlessly checking out profiles
they will never both be happy and stable at once because they are both so driven by drama at this point they don't feel loved unless they're fighting some big bad together, it's more exciting that way. when things get quiet and one is happy an occupied and happy with their own accomplishments it starts to feel stale, so the other needs to drag out heidi's effigy so they can reignite the spark in their relationship again. their relationship is a toxic
seesaw.>>1028124>I don't know why any DnD group would bring her in at this point unless it was a very unknown production.
AqInc is run by Penny Arcade, and Mike and Jerry aren't ones to shy from drama if they feel they are 'right' (and they have the rabid fanbase to back up any decision they make).>>1028534
She's probably fine with it for now because Jared isn't pulling any girls that are threatening to her (aka prettier than her and nerdy). He's not bagging as many hot egirls after the drama, but I'm sure eventually one will come up and Holly will have a melt down.
I'm pretty sure the only way Jared has acted high and mighty about the grumps is when it comes to them not reuploading his guest grump videos after his comeback last year. He is mad that they didn't bend over backwards to suck him off like the rest of the internet.
Who knows, maybe him and Danny shared tips and tricks on banging fangirls then ghosting them
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they actually were privating/deleting videos with jared way before the drama broke, which is why other anons were speculating that arin did so because of how hurt ross was by the whole ordeal, rather than as a pr move. reddit doesn't show the exact date, but if you skim the comments you can tell it's before the drama broke, and based off my own memory (so take this with a grain of salt) I first saw this reddit thread at least a couple of months before jared tweeted about the divorce
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You can see the exact date things are posted, anon. That post was made May 1, and very likely they took them down because of the email.
I think it's a combination of what he did to Ross and what >>1029161
said about the emails. I doubt it was all because of Ross because then you'd think they would remove the Holly stuff, too, which is all still up now IIRC.
The timing is what makes me think it's not related to Ross.
She'd already moved to get dicked down in Seattle for like 8 months.
Yeah Ross seemed okay with letting them get away with it, which makes me think if its because he loved Holly so much that he would do whatever would make her happy, not to mention he knew it would be drama and he didn't want to be part of it
And before some Jared stan screeches at me saying Ross was okay with it because he supported Hored and shipped them so hard!!!!!!, look at any content featuring Ross in the months after their separation and tell me that he is a happy guy who gladly handed his wife over to his married friend. Yeah, no, he was miserable.
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Jared's new Insta post for all our talented photoshop anons
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Did he really not check his spelling before writing this sign? I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.
I went on his twitch really quick to look at his numbers and this was the thumbnail for the recent clip
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god he looks like fucking yubaba from spirited away in that screenshot, how unfortunate
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He has the same creepy stare as the guy on the left here.
Also why couldn't he have just made a normal post instead of writing on cardboard and misspelling birthday?
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Jared's new fanbase having a normal one. Didn't he like one of this guy's tweets too?
Still surprised this person isn't banned yet, considering all the vile shit they've said…
Starting to wonder if it's a sockpuppet account of one of the '#BeKind' crew…
Jared's seem especially sad lately, though… between the
evening bumps and begging people to go to his instagram.
Yeah I was a fan before the drama and he would stream with relative consistency and his ProJared Plays had regular uploads.
That being said, having neglected hid main channel because he was riding high on DCA (while Holly rode him) probably hurt his wallet when he had to rely on his main channel again.
Replacing normal fans with broke-ass incels is probably hurting his bottom line too.
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And they say romance is dead
A big stupid cock.
And a rooster.
No. I just meant that it's not his fault that his face looks like Daryl the dip packer in this photo rather than his usual creep-faced self. There's ugly people in okay photos and then there are ugly people in ugly photos. This is the latter.
An ugly person can still be in a well-lit, well-composed photo looking relatively clean and sane. The photographer chose terrible lighting and caught an unflattering expression where the subject isn't even looking at the camera/is squinting elsewhere and has the mouth half-open. Really, the photo should have been retaken and this one deleted unless this is truly the best he could do that day. (So why share it at all?) The subject happens to look funky to begin with, and in this case he also neglected to shave.
I suppose my point was that, of all the photos Holly could have shared of her prize worm dick, she chose THIS one. Why not take the time to get a photo of him with the chickens that is at least a little bit more flattering? I'd expect Holly to depict him better.>>1030089
Got my point
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There it is
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The filters are working hard on this one.
Also, Holly looks trans here. If I knew nothing of the situation and you showed me this photo and told me it was a dual-schmeckle relationship, I'd believe you.
All posted by Holly.
What did Jared post for Holly's birthday again?
>and begging people to go to his instagram.
I can see why though. You can delete other user's comments on Instagram.
And on Insta they can achieve their little fantasy-echo chamber where everyone can be happy/feel bad for them!>>1030159
He did that. Just "happy birthday @hollyconrad".
Even ex-DM Chris Perkins put more fucking effort.
Im surprised he let her post today's insta story at all. He must be feeling generous today.
I get the feeling that she's ready and wanting to fully commit to being public/an influencer couple and he is the one that is holding her back not wanting the drama
Poor lady, imagine your boyfriend wanting to spend his whole birthday on twitch begging instead of with you
Wonder how many times she will insert herself before the stream is over
I mean..you can liteerally see why it wouldn't be something casually thrown around. And no, heidi simps, I don't care for or support Jared but if I were in his or her shoes I wouldn't throw around "HEY HERES MY AMAZING GIRLFRIEND/BOYFRIEND I CHEATED ON MY WIFE/HUSBAND WITH, WE'RE IN A GREAT RELATIONSHIP" every chance I get.
So to her credit, 9 times out of 10 women tend to be far more "posty" about gushy shit than men, situations aside, it's a social norm. I guarantee if you compare all the women and men in your life, you'll see more stuff like this from the chicks side than you would the men.
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You know, Heidi's input always seems to lend better context to everything Jared & Holly say…
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idk Heidi at least tried. He’s not attractive, but he’s not…. as ugly.
Because he was proud of Heidi.
He's not proud of Holly.
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Thank you for the inspiration
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In case anyone else needs the matchup.
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I doubt this is a sock account cause we've seen first hand how obsessed Jared fans are. Remember when one of them used go out of their way to come here and argue with us back to tumblr. Good times. Anyway this incel name searches Jared to the point where he'll respond to tweets with zero likes and retweets. He also combs through Holly and Jared's tweets too.
Imagine how traumatic it must be that the only photo you come out not looking like a damp sock was taken by your supposedly abusive
harpy wife. Truly tragic.
Do straight men, non-model straight men, actually do well on an only fans? I'm pretty sure women can get average to below average dick pics for free.
Well, he broke the lewds before newds rule before he even started.
Clip? I'm curious to hear him explain this in his own words.
An Only Fans account actually makes a lot of sense for Jared, since it's a platform where creators can sell their sexual content appropriately. He has an exhibitionist kink that makes him wanna show his dick to everyone for praise. And it doesn't matter what his sexuality is, as long as someone is interested in paying. Seems like a good match, regardless of the fact that no one in this thread will be interested.
no need to shop, that's a sad enough pic as is>>1029666
not big on following streamers myself so just curious, how bad is 686 views for a mid day weekend stream? from someone who knows nothing it still sounds like enough to make a living off of (though not in seattle lol).
lol where was this? he really knows how to clean up his act and not publicly behave like a sex pest>>1030263
do we actually know that heidi got half of everything? because if so, god bless>>1030552
same thing can be said about girls on onlyfans, most of the simps pay not because porn is hard to find but because of a personal fixation or perceived intimacy/friendship. jared has his fair share of delusional simps that fit that description
After advanced searching their tweets, it looks like they never tweeted to/at Jared at all
before things went public:https://twitter.com/search?q=(from%3Aanimedoom)%20until%3A2019-05-08%20since%3A2014-01-01&src=typed_query&f=live
That's kinda suspicious for someone who name searches him now in order to 'correct' anyone who has a less-than favorable opinion of Jared…
No way, they have too many tweets that are unrelated to Holly's obsessive skin walking interests and the account was started in 2014. Holly couldn't keep that up without revealing herself in the middle of break down.
If anything it just shows how disturbed the new fan base they've attracted is. No doubt they're all men who want to take advantage of others and play the victim
(or pick-mes that want to cater to those men), so they self identify with Jared and want to defend his right to act sleazy to the death. It's not about Jared himself, it's about what he represents.
He even reblogged a twitch girls stream lmao
Who the fuck is he to like a bitter stan tweet about Heidi having Simps when he is obsessed with a handful of smaller streamer ladies
Let's just hope he isn't preying on them and telling them he will "help" them with his bigger audience for something in return
lets be real, they're together because of quarantine and physically cannot go see other people/strangers to bang. If America had their shit together they would've had another cheating scandal by now.>>1030963
anon I think you forgot to mention they were BLACK because Holly/Jared stans are really focused on BLACK guys for some reason. Goes to show how big of incels they are, so intimidated by big BLACK guys.
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Saw this tweet which I assume was a reaction to Holly popping in during the birthday stream.
It would be FUCKING HILARIOUS to me if their relationship dynamic turned into Holly being the more famous popular one who overshadows Jared and he grows bitter over it. Him having to feature her more and more to get viewers and attention would send me. Total payback for the resentment she held over Ross for simply being more popular>>1031207
Jared? For sureeeee
Holly? No way in hell
Homegirl is OBSESSED with Jared, like insanely obsessed. There's no way in hell she is interested in anyone else, especially now that he is all hers(if you don't count the twitch streamers he no doubt DMs every night). Besides, she identifies as "Demisexual", which basically means that she is only sexually attracted to people who she has strong emotional attachments to. I cant imagine her forming any other strong intimate connections these past couple years, not when her whole life has revolved around slandering Heidi and roleplaying her affair
But does Jared enjoy
playing co-op games?
At least consider if the streamer has any preferences before telling them what they should do in their streams.
Shit like this makes me think he's being pressured to accomodate her or something…
Yeah, she hasn't sported green in her bangs in a long-ass time.
This was the Area 51 trip for sure.
"hey husband and friend, I'm not comfortable with you two fucking and being weird about it anymore"
Yeah, Jared and Heidi's home suffered water damage.
Heidi has gone on record as saying she used to consider Holly one of her closest friends.
Heidi was with Jared before he made it somewhat big in geek spaces, and during his prime.
Holly gets the leftovers.
Jared is never going to bounce back to his old internet success because he’s not enough of a personality or someone special or talented enough to rake in new fans except the incels who started following him post-drama. I think Holly blows all this smoke up his ass because deep down she knows he’s never going to be as successful as he used to be, that he’s bitter about how much he’s struggling, and is trying to soothe his wounded male ego.
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Fuuuuuuuck she has 'strix uwu' back in her bio so she really still does have a career. Also lol at the overly filtered profile pic that shes plastered on all her socials.
Definitely hilarious if Holly gets her career back as Jared wastes away. You know he's going to be so bitter if she's able to come back. Not like I've watched DCA, but from all the anon summaries it looks like despite how obnoxious Holly's character was, her desperation to be quirky paid off so it's at least unique enough to be marketable. Sarcastic rogue is a dime a dozen.
Holly has been an absolute toxic
cunt in this. But just because she showed her ass to twitter doesn't mean Jared isn't the true piece of shit in all of this.
I'm sure Heidi is relieved that Holly is going back to her trash witch persona and not trying to be a forest "witch" anymore.
She posted that new picture on Instagram, too. Its filtered to shit, looks like a wig, and barely looks like her
That Strix addition to her bio is just more evidence that Strix is in that new acq inq game
I mean the assholes at Penny Arcade never made it a secret they wanted her back.
Hell they probably would want Jared back but WOTC blacklisted him.
I hate when people invest their all and obsess over just one of their DnD characters
Sis needs to move on, she could make a new interesting witchy character but instead she is hung up on literally the most annoying character I've ever witnessed
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Why is Kayla running her personal twitter? That's a little strange. >>1030271
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Did she say on stream that Kayla is running her account? That's fucking hilarious, like I get that the point is to stop her from blowing up on there… but she is still using Twitter, just on her professional brand account. Seems like a disaster waiting to happen
ALSO, I jumped around in her stream to see the filter and hollllly shit that is egregious, she looks so fuzzy and blurry and the eyelashes… lord. If she has that hard of a time with insecurities she should just stream without face cam… or find a better filter. She looks like Tati Westbrook with it lmao
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dnd wiki says she did but when you go to follow the proof link it’s broken because they took information from her old website. I give her the benefit of the doubt she did complete her degree and just got it in something really stupid and pointless outside of fantasy role play since she’s obviously not a part of academia.
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Sage for old milk, but someone pointed out something interesting about Holly's faux-apology on twitter.
>"She constantly self-flagellates on Twitter, begs for forgiveness, begs for people to move on & leave her alone, yet won't extend this potential to change to Heidi."
I'm assuming that just because Heidi's responses differ from her own, she doesn't recognize them as 'genuine'.
Yet she didn't really show any interest in it online until DCA. I wish I had a rich grandpa who would pay for my bullshit degree based on whatever my current hyper fixation is at the moment
Isn't her study abroad when she stole that book from a random shack in the woods she broke into?
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Gonna doubt its validity given the claims it's also a degree in sorcery.https://fancons.com/guests/bio/5004/holly-conrad
I lol'd at the drag her fake medievalist ass, I love it. But an undergraduate degree, especially one in sorcery, doesn't make you a Medievalist. It's a pre-requisite for graduate degree level programs which would be necessary to complete said training. That is unless she went to one of the few, but prestigious, schools that offer specialized Medival programs and can be difficult to get into. Sadly for Holly, the school she went to does not qualify as one of those. Her degree looks like it is more likely she got a degree in history with, at best, a concentration in Medieval studies. I think you're 100% right she did it for the 'witch aesthetic'or as I call it, 'illiterate goblin aesthetic'. Regardless, just wants to brag about something she knows nothing about. A 'Medieval' degree/concentration that does not require Latin is no degree/concentration at all. TLDR; her shitty degree means nothing, you need an MA and or PHD to be considered a Medievalist in the current academic climate. Sage for obvious sperg.
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How ironic she’s chosen to idolize Baba Yaga, considering this is the origins of the name ‘Yaga’
(Sage for no milk)
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Got gifted a sub from one of Jareds minions. Great to see that even after all this time people still jump in to his stream to antagonize them.
Where is it from? "yagat'" means "to scream", "to make noise" in Russian.
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I guess in the origins they should have said it comes from proto-slavic, not old Russian, it would be more accurate
I mean I doubt she'd go for Jerry Holkins ("fat vulture") or Pat Rothfuss (living Dwarf) but Mike Krahulik has just the right lack of chin and complete bug-eyes to be Holly's type.
But like >>1033566
says, there's no investment there like there was with Striath.
I haven’t thought about PA in a decade so I had to look the guy up to refresh my memory, and an ex-friend of his apparently had this to say:>Mike's reaction when he's criticized for this kind of behavior is always to comment on how he hates bullying, and how he sees himself as fighting back against a bunch of internet bullies
They’re a match made in heaven.
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From the same article, "why I'm never going back to Penny Arcade Expo"
This is the face of Holly's new D&D group. She'll fit right in.
Side note, this group of old men (Acquisitions Incorporated) has been playing together for years and has a lot of clout among old D&D nerds. Kinda doubt that Holly was invited to be a full time cast member. She's done guest appearances with them before.
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From Jared's twitter
He's acting like the reason people have criticized their responses is because people are bullies, and not because their responses (and I'm lumping Holly into this) have been batshit insane.
>>1033858>The victim's reaction to an act of aggression can be used as retrospective justification for the original act of aggression itself
You mean like you call Heidi abusive
for saying "No more poly!" (the reaction to an act of 'aggression', being Jared lying to her) and using that abuse as justification to continue fucking Holly behind her back? Also, just a huge fan of the part where it says the victim
's response can be represented as the problem….y'know, like them saying Heidi going public was the problem rather than them doing this shit in the first place.
If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is.
Jared is such a raging hypocrite, I’m glad that every single day his Twitter followers keep dropping in numbers. He really needs to read the OP’s reply to that tweet because it’s pretty much calling him out, lol. Always the fucking victim
and he can’t seem to realize that he was the one being abusive
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holly finally posting jared on her story
Heidi was seeing other men as well.
Just because she's a victim
doesn't mean she's innocent.
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It was bugging me why she looked so familiar for so long until it hit me kek >>1034258>Innocent
Even if Heidi was carried room to room by hundreds of cocks, who cares
also, exactly re: heidi. A lot of people go after jared because of the cheating thing, which was shitty, but at the end of the day that was their business, i can't deny that it was a lot of fun to have that level of scandal in an otherwise messy romantic drama free zone (the drama in the gaming space tend to be……. either racism or straight up rape).
Heidi may have cheated, may have not, but honestly who cares. Was she the one swapping nudes with fans, one of which turned out to be underage? nope, that was jared.