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No. 930972

Last time on "The One Where Gamers Have No Game" Edition…

> Holly Conrad decides that ‘being mean to others to make yourself feel better is not okay’……unless you’re apparently fucking their husband and then it’s acceptable and excused under the umbrella of “I’m sorry, I’m mentally ill”

> She also admitted to knowing of her lolcow thread, stating that she’s only on here because she’s “a woman accused of cheating on the internet, because it’s apparently 1645”

> Katie/Kati threw a fit that neither Heidi nor Holly were openly supporting her or liking her posts, saying that this means they weren’t feminists or supportive of abuse/bullying victims.

>PJ2 stans come in by the drove, deadset on defending their Incel King and his “Not-Like-Other-Girls” Queen

> Ross continued to be the only one who might escape all of this unscathed - has moved on with a new girlfriend, is back to animating, and seems to be really happy.

Image Credit: >> 929671
Thread Credit: >>930970

Previous Threads (The ProJared Saga Begins):
1: >>785476
2: >>804540
3: >>808888
4: >>812124
5: >>816967
6: >>820703
7: >>826388
8: >>829410
9: >>836081
10: >>841369
11: >>852741
12. >>861615
13. >>866222
14. >>881371
15. >>897566
16. >>914132

Character Descriptions and Stats:

Jared "the Wormdick" Knabenbauer
>Known for having a gaming youtube channel where he reviewed games
>Formed "Waffle crew", the D&D group that would soon turn out to be a dumpster fire
>All hell broke lose when his ex-wife revealed he has been manipulating, abusing and cheating on her
>Soon after, other victims of his started leaking chat logs and nudes
>Turns out he was soliciting underage porn
>Went into hiding
>Throughout DCA, his D&D character, Diath, was having an on-going romance with Strix, his co-player Holly Conrad's character
>Turns out they were also involved IRL, cheating on their spouses
>Holly is currently whiteknighting him on twitter, while he is trying to manipulate his side-pieces from the shadows
>One of his side-pieces fell for it and now is changing her initial statement, trying to get on his good side (even though he ghosted her before)
>Heidi accuses Jared of threatening legal action if she speaks up. Unfortunately Heidi casts “Absorb Elements” just like she did for his initial divorce statement. Jared takes an extra 1d6 damage on her next melee attack.

Strength: 5
Dexterity: 5
Intellect: 15
Stamina: 10
Luck: none
Charisma: send noOds

Holly "Manic Pixie Butterface" Conrad (current power-level):
>Got into D&D, started thinking she's literally Strix - her character
>Cheated on Ross with Jared the Wormdick while trying to manipulate both Jared and his wife
>Once Heidi (Jared's wife) revealed her as a side hoe, she locked down everything and checked into the tumblr hospital
>After getting back on the net, she started autistically defending herself and Jared, claiming she never cheated and Heidi is literally Hitler
>Professional victim, her NPD can be seen from space
>Emotionally abused Ross, claimed she never felt love until she met Jared
>Claims to have not cheated on her ex-husband despite his refusal to make one comment about the situation in her defense
>Can't stand even tiny criticism about herself, reads her lolcow thread though
>Compared Etika’s suicide, a popular black YouTuber, to her own suicidal ideation by showcasing they both received clown emojis as “bullying.”
>Suffers backlash from the black community, Etika’s fans and Twitter
>After being called out for taking advantage of a person’s suicide, Holly infamously deflects criticism by tweeting, “I’m sorry. I’m mentally ill.”

Strength: uwu
Dexterity: uwu
Intellect: 4
Stamina: 100
Luck: ran out
Charisma: clown emoji

Holly Conrad’s Previous Stats:
>Holly is a “talented cosplayer/craftsman/special effects artist and well respected in the community”, even appearing on Syfy's "Heroes of Cosplay"
>Was one of the main focuses of the 2011 Documentary "Comic-Con Episode IV: A Fan's Hope" (directed by Morgan Spurlock)
>Originally gained notoriety for her Commander Shepard/FemShep cosplay
>Married to Ross O'Donovan, beloved animator and member of the GG Family, from 2012 to 2018
>When it came to Arin/Suzy vs Ross/Holly most people preferred Ross and Holly, because they felt less fake and Holly was famous separate of Ross, not riding her husband's coattails like Suzy.
>Was best buds with Jared's wife Heidi, another talented and respected cosplayer/craftsman
>Apparent tragic backstory = quirky anxiety uwu. I don't really know the whole backstory on this one, not sure if it really matters.
>But was apparently close to her grandfather and inherited his house(?) in Washington(?) when he passed away which was in theory part of the reason she and Ross amicably split. Jared and Heidi just also happened to live in Washington.
>Other speculated factors included Holly being asexual (lmao), the toxic GG fan-community, "having codependency issues", and wanting to leave LA while Ross wanted to stay
>Publicly their divorce was mutual, amicable, and came as somewhat of a shock….OR WAS IT?
>Basically all this drama is so juicy because Holly "quirky manic pixie dream bird gurl, asexual anxiety, luvs animals so obviously wouldn't hurt anyone uwu" Conrad was the surprise plot twist villain we never saw coming

For More On Holly Conrad:
>A History of Holly: >>838840 (Source: PULL)

Strength: uwu
Dexterity: 20
Intellect: 17
Stamina: 22
Luck: 100
Charisma: Not Suzy

Heidi of the House O'Ferrall, Hell Hath No Fury, Giver of Zero Fucks, Destroyer of Careers
>Non-lewd cosplayer, talented craftsman and elf
>Produces tutorials and shows her work in progress pretty in depth
>Has a degree in Theatre/Costume Design
>"She had sex with my husband", top 10 anime deaths of all time
>Married to Jared Pedodick Knobslob
>Was in a poly relationship with Jared
>Claims Holly was the reason it didn’t work out
>Outed Jared’s infidelity and set twitter ablaze
>Working on her current divorce and perhaps a defamation against Holly Conrad for trying to claim she had BPD and that psychologists have deemed her “unfixable”
>Has started to become more vocal on that drama since Holly’s Etika sperg
>Claims emotional abuse by Jared and gas lighting, and also seems to insinuate her enjoyment of sex has decreased
>Blocks overtly sexual cosplays because of the ProJared controversy
>Currently living alone in a new home and trying to start up her business and craft in a way to support herself
>Accuses Holly of being vindictive enough to have done everything in her power to end her marriage and happiness

Strength: 90
Dexterity: 71
Intellect: 82
Stamina: 64
Luck: 20
Charisma: Zinfandel

Dan Pirro from the Honorable House Pigeon
>Dedicated white knight of Jared and Holly’s that created a campaign to prove #heidingthetruth
>In direct contact with Holly Conrad Flying Monkey

Jessica Slater from the Honorable House Pigeon
>Holly stan and dedicated “sister”
>Runs a clearly objective truth blog on tumblr while putting down Heidi on twitter

Participation Trophies go to the following for their dedication:
>BorkScorpion, RainbowTressym, TigerNightmare, UnicornHoodlum and others
>May or may not be sockpuppet accounts
>Tier 3 WKs, to be mostly ignored
>Autism awareness is sometimes being aware of who to avoid

>Jared Knabenbauer/ProJared:


>Heidi O'Ferrall/AtelierHeidi:


>Holly Conrad/Commander Holly:


>Normal Boots:


The Expanded Universe:

**Game Grumps
Previous GG Threads:**
>Jon vs Dan speculations, are the Suzy nudes real or fake, blah blah blah, old news. Seriously, don't ask to be spoonfed this old dried up milk. Go read about it on your own.
>There is a whole subreddit dedicated to GG Rule 34 where they sexualize the girlfriends/wives as well as the grumps called r/polygrumps. Suzy once long ago tweeted in support of polygrumps, but it seems like an especially toxic corner of their already toxic fanbase. I doubt she would confirm that support today.
>GG sells a merch line called Game Gyaru "based on Arin and Danny, reimagined as female characters inspired by the anime series Dirty Pair, named Arina and Daniella respectively". It's a blatant tracing of the characters from "Dirty Pair" that they did not initially acknowledge.
>GG release body pillows of Dan and Arin. They sell out very quickly. It's gross: >>792883
>Guess what Jon's an even worse blatantly sexist/racist person than we ever could have imagined

Suzy "the Goose" Berhow:
>Has a history of scamming fans by buying cheap jewelry from China and the likes and reselling it to fans with an absurd markup as her jewelry line or as one anon put it: "creating a really expensive jewelry line that involved very little effort on her part". Arin has to come to her defense when people find out.
>Previous threads over the years were mostly about Suzy's "thyroid-related" weight gain and absurd styling choices, scamming, and how she's a ~rEaL gAmEr GuRl~
>No one seems to really have complaints about her current styling choices since she lost weight and the skunk stripe and adopted a more natural look (it's much closer to her twin sister Jean's)
>Suzy was a "model" when younger, and will still constantly repost the same pictures from her past over and over again, in case anyone forgot
>There sometimes seemed to be some unspoken tension between Suzy and Holly. Suzy seemed to give off the vibe of being uncomfortable not being the only cool gamer gurl in the GG group, especially when up against a girl that seemed to prefer and respect.
>Seems plausible that she prefers being the female center of attention given the theory that JonTron's swift and dramatic departure from GG was due in part to some beef between Suzy and Jon's girlfriend at the time. IIRC this is still all just speculation. (Jon's too big of a topic, read that one on your own for the full backstory)
>A/N: I would be kind of surprised if she showed any support for Holly at all, but maybe that's just me

Katie (Most recent GG drama unrelated to PigeonGate 2019 ):
>Suzy claims she and Arin have been together since 2002. Arin's mysterious deviantART ex Katie shows up from an apparent cryogenic sleep after 10+ years and throws an insane hissy-fit about how Arin was pursuing HER during that time and she turned HIM down.
>Thinks Suzy poisoned Arin against being her BEST FRIEND despite the fact that she was married, disappeared from the internet, lived across the country, and was definitely leading Arin on for some time. Arin seems to have bought her some gifts in this time.

Game Grumps:

>Suzy Berhow/Mortemer:


>Arin Hanson/Egoraptor:


>Dan Avidan:


>Minor cow Katie, rejected Arin way back when and regrets it now that he's famous:


About Dice, Camera, Action:
>DCA is/was a popular D&D livestream DM'd by Chris Perkins (WoTC story designer)
>It's cast consisted of Holly Conrad, Jared Knabenbauer, Nathan Sharp and Anna Prosser
>All of them turned out to be cheaters, hooking up with each other and breaking marriages/engagements

>Wafflecrew/Dice, Camera, Action:


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Ross O’Donovan
Do Not Bother Ross O’Donovan
>Game Grump and animator
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Reminder from Mods:
>Subjects have to be 16+ to be discussed on lolcow. Do not include Holly's 15 year old friend’s face or social media posts here.
>This is also a reminder that cowtipping is also against the rules, do not contact the girl or her parents because of her relation to Holly.
>Keep whiteknight posting to when they actually spill milk.

No. 930974


>"in stead of actually talking about what information supports Heidi's side."

Because we don't indulge sealioning trolls around here. The evidence has been in the previous 15 threads - If you want to be willfully ignorant and only see the evidence that supports your bullshit theories, that's on you.

No. 930979

Huh, yet you haven't addressed the other inconsistencies, just hand waved them as "people are bad at remembering"

so… to quote you

>If you want to be willfully ignorant and only see the evidence that supports your bullshit theories, that's on you.

No. 930980

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creepshow made another video about crazy katie. laughing because I had no idea that she compared ross to trump for ignoring her requests to clear the air over a friendship that ended over 10 years ago. also apparently someone who worked a venue for the game grumps as security sent a message to creepshow saying that the grumps went out of their way to tell them (security personnel) of a possible stalker showing up, and showed a picture of katie

No. 930983


>"You haven't addressed the other inconsistencies"

Because they don't need addressing. Everyone involved has moved on with the exception of your incel king's new sidepiece.


Eh, I wouldn't put it past Katie - but I'd also take the word of anonymous sources with a grain of salt.

No. 930984

I mean, either way, it wasn't as clear-cut as she "broke up with Ross first" and "never cheated on him".

And that was just one example of an inconsistency off the top of my head.

If you want to talk inconsistencies, Holly is the queen of inconsistencies.

She is constantly telling people one thing and then turning around and saying another.

She promises to donate to charity, then claims she was "bullied" into agreeing.

She tells Heidi she's going to write her a letter, then never sends said letter.

She tells Heidi "that's the truth, you're not the bad guy. You are the person who was hurt by all this," apologizes for very specific things in her texts with Heidi, and then says on twitter that she "wasn't even sure what she was apologizing for" and continues to claim that Heidi was abusive.

She claims she's moving on and wants to be left alone, but then goes and seeks out comments about herself and reads her lolcow thread.

I could go on for a long time.

The reason I believe Heidi more than Holly, is because Heidi's story sounds more like a real telling of events.

Holly's story uses words like "SCREAMED" and "enraged" and "fit of rage" and "howled". She sounds unhinged when she talks about the situation. She doesn't share any receipts nor her own personal feelings about what happened. She just paints Heidi as this cartoon villain that she had to 'save' Jared from, and then complains about being bullied by the internet. She doesn't sound like she's describing real human interactions.

Heidi just posted her side of the story, complete with receipts and detailed descriptions of her feelings and thought processes. She comes across as hurt, but still trying to be fair and move on. Her responses feel very 'human'.

Sure, the truth is probably somewhere between both of their stories. But Heidi just seems more believable.

No. 930985


This. I could never put my finger on why it sounded so fake - but it is absolutely very much like Hoelly is trying to make Heidi sound worse, so she writes this grand fictional tale where Heidi is the villain and Hoelly the Hero is just trying to rescue poor, mistreated Jared.

I mean, no one wants to be the villain in their own stories, but Hoelly takes it to an entirely new level to avoid any hint of her being the bad guy.

No. 930988


It doesn't help that she is not a very good writer at all. Even in her old Strix fanfics (canonfics? Playerfics?)

No. 930991

Don't forget:

- Commenting on Jared's original divorce announcement as if she was just a supportive friend that had no direct involvement with it at all
- Claiming to have been in a mental health ward with no contact with the outside world after the initial blowback, and then admitting that she actually was following everything when it became obvious that her story and timeline didn't match up
- Claiming everything she was accused of was a lie, then repeatedly walking back that statement over and over and over as more evidence was revealed about her actual actions and interactions with Jared and Heidi, e.g. "we never slept together!" to "we never slept together until well after they broke up!" to "we might have slept together, but in Jared's mind they were broken up!" etc.

No. 930993


Not just commenting, but pulling the "Sorry you're going through this" line, as if she hadn't spent the better part of six months at least trying to convince Jared that Heidi was abusive.

If someone finally left their abuser, why would you be "sorry you're going through this"? Wouldn't you be glad they finally left?

And the following it while in the mental health hospital: I call bullshit. No one who is admitted for suicidal ideations is going to be allowed to follow drama from the outside that is just going to aggravate those feelings.

No. 930995

According to Holly, one of her friends was feeding her the information during visits while she was in, but if that were true then that mental health hospital is about as helpful to patients as Holly's mental health streams, which is to say, not at all.

No. 931003


All Katie has to do is contact CreepShow and tell her she is self harming and this video will be down in no time!

No. 931007

She claimed to have had no net access and yet for all but ONE of the days she was hospitalized, she was deleting tweets left and right.

No. 931015

That's the part that fucking gets me.
If you KNOW your friend is abused by his spouse, regardless of other feelings, you don't get them out of it so you can have him for yourself!
They are hurt and vulnerable and you give support, you don't spread your legs going "finally time to lay pipe!"

No. 931023

If you fall in love with said "friend" and then realize they are abused this isn't all that unheard of.

>Because they don't need addressing
Yep, certainly not to you they don't. But I'm not picking up what you're setting down and no amount of "I'm right and you can't convince me I'm not" is going to give me what I'm looking for: Your actual thoughts on the actual evidence so I can consider a different perspective. So far it boils down to "We believe Heidi because we don't trust Holly"

That's not evidence based conclusion. That's feelings based. No matter how much you claim the evidence backs it up, it doesn't. There's too much open to interpretation. There's too much gray area. There's too much that's relies on the given word of either party.

You base your conclusion that Hoelly is a hoe on:

- Heidi claiming they cheated
- Heidi claiming she and Jared were still trying to work things out
- Texts between Heidi and Holly discussing the implications of the fact that Holly had more than just sexual feelings for Jared.
- Holly trying to placate Heidi.
- A belief that Ross wasn't properly informed, without anything affirming or denying that belief.

Those aren't indicative of either story, because both stories tell the same story beats from a different perspective.

You keep trying to paint me as a blind stan who won't accept that Holly and Jared can do no wrong.

That's just plain incorrect. I just don't see how EITHER party's narrative can be supported, and as a result I don't think that it's correct to lay blame at either person's feet.

Both sides are inconsistent. Both sides provided backup for certain claims and not others. Both sides can only be trusted so much. You just don't ever admit that here.

Here you have anons saying a potentially crazy abusive person has a "chill and cool" stream and she only talks about the drama a little bit, so she's obviously the good person here, right?

Stans would say shit like that.

No. 931031


>"so I can consider a different perspective"

I may not have elaborated on each incident of what you view to be "inconsistencies", but others have and you're STILL choosing to scream that Heidi could've been abusive too and that we're all being unfair to Holly. You're sealioning…and not even doing so well.

>"You base your conclusion that Hoelly is a hoe on…"

I base it on the fact that, regardless of WHEN the affair started, she's STILL TO DATE banging a married man. She STILL moved from California to Washington to be with him (She can claim it's to be around trees all she wants; There are trees literally EVERYWHERE, yet she picks the state where her fuckbuddy and his wife lived?)

>"A belief that Ross wasn't properly informed, without anything affirming or denying that belief"

There's texts from Holly to Heidi that say "After Anna's party, I'm going to tell Ross everything". That implies that, at the VERY least, she was engaging in conversations of a romantic nature with someone that was NOT her husband. She also said that she knew Ross was okay with her sleeping with another woman, but had NO idea if he'd be down with her fucking other men.

>"You just don't ever admit that here"

There are plenty of people in this thread and the last 16 threads who've said that everyone is to fault here, but okay, pj2 stan.

No. 931034

Really anon? How many times now have you derailed the thread to go off about Heidi, while posting no new Heidi milk? No one is saying Heidi is a "good person". You're jumping to that conclusion because you're mad no one here is posting about Heidi.

We post about Holly because she is funnier. She is a cow in her own right and produces constant milk that is now unrelated to her past drama with Heidi. People were having fun laughing at Holly. That's it. The fact people laugh at Holly does not mean they support Heidi. I don't post about Heidi because lately she hasn't done anything funny. If you have Heidi milk, post it so we can laugh at it. Otherwise, shut up with this tired bullshit that no one wants to read

No. 931035

>but others have
Oh really, when did they break up according to Heidi.

How about this one I didn't bring up:
why did the fan who slept with Jared say Heidi lied to her?

>That implies that, at the VERY least, she was engaging in conversations of a romantic nature with someone that was NOT her husband.

Yes, this was the day after they were supposed to fuck and talked about their feelings in stead anon. She can't take a fucking day to figure out how to discuss this lifechanging realization with her husband?

>There are plenty of people in this thread and the last 16 threads who've said that everyone is to fault here, but okay, pj2 stan.

This right here is how I know you're full of shit. I'm not talking to people from the previous threads who say everyone sucks. I'm talking to the Heidi stans still around because they want to dunk on Holly. Otherwise there would be a whole lot less of "Heidi is cool" being said in here.

Yeah, you're really convincing me you feel Heidi is/was shitty too

No. 931042

You simply just don't get it, and that's why people keep telling you to fuck off. Besides the fact that there are literally dozens and dozens of threads of evidence you can go back through and draw a conclusion off of (which is what we've already done), the idea of getting "an evidence based conclusion" in a personal dispute is ridiculous on its face. Your conclusion about the situation will depend entirely on your personal feelings on the subject and your moral standpoint, because the "evidence" we have access to is inherently extremely limited and inherently biased. Whether or not you choose to believe a specific set of information, again, depends on your personal feelings and moral standpoint. Everyone here sides with Heidi over Holly for different reasons, but the most "objective" reason is that she hasn't displayed nearly the same level of negative behavior and has made far more efforts to be transparent and honest. There's plenty of other reasons that have already been brought up, but if you don't see it that way, that's on you, and nothing anyone is going to say will convince you otherwise no matter how many times you claim it will.

In short, fuck off.

No. 931056


Literally when has that happened on her streams? Do you even watch? You sure seem mad that we're not saying negative things about Heidi. IF you don't like the vibe of the board, kindly fuck off.

No. 931057

>the idea of getting "an evidence based conclusion" in a personal dispute is ridiculous on its face

For the slow:


I'm here to talk about what the thread is about, and just because you refuse to talk about the shit Heidi has been up to: RE - crying on stream about how she's so alone, refusing to go somewhere because "it might rain" IN SEATTLE. Saying "I'm done talking about this 6 months ago but still engaging with the occasional troll. If you're going to claim to only be interested in milk, you're doing an awful lot of brushing some of it aside.

If you want proof just look at the stupid stats you've given to the people involved. Nothing negative at all said about Heidi. Fucking really? Not even a "has anger issues"?

In short; no u, I'm doing what this board is intended for.

edited for mistakes made.

No. 931058


excuse me but why the fuck do you actually care about this board? you just don't take a goddamn hint.

Nobody cares what you think about the board or how it "should" be. Don't like it, then get out

No. 931065


This thread was pretty stale until the WK’s and sealions started coming here to argue.

No. 931067

Sorry autismo, no one is particularly interested in ragging on a girl whose worst crimes are completely mundane (not wanting to walk in the rain is milk? are you retarded?), especially not when there's far more interesting and deserving targets at hand.

It'd be a lot better if you'd just admit to being a Holly stan and then right quickly fuck off.

No. 931080

So not wanting to walk in the rain is the top tier milk you've been raging at everyone for not reporting on FOR TWO FUCKING THREADS. Christ, at the very least you're finally being funny. What other milk have we missed? Maybe she was annoyed at a traffic jam? Did she have to wait in a long line and it made her sad? Keep us updated on this I'm really on the edge of my seat here

No. 931081

Yes it's true.
Heidi broke up with her black boyfriend in February 2018 when they cancelled polyamory due to Holly.

No. 931082

Not liking the rain, not having friends or family, feeling isolated. Basically hating everything about Seattle but refusing to go back to Houston and wishing "they would just move away" is pretty milky to me. But what do I know.

No. 931083

>Fucking really? Not even a "has anger issues"?
Yeah, weird how she was angry at being cheated on by her spouse. Seriously though, it's not comparable to the milk that comes from Holly's breakdowns which is just why it doesn't come up as much.

No. 931086


Nothing. You know nothing.

No. 931088

She was also apparently yelling at her spouse in public places often enough that one of his coworkers saw it.

No. 931090

This person shows up at the same time every few days spouting the same shit and people keep trying to talk any sense into them. It's very obvious what they're trying to do. I'm actually beginning to think it is Holly herself.

No. 931091


I'd laugh my ass off if it was actually Holly getting stoned and defending herself on lolcow.

But it's probably Denica or someone who wastes their time. I've been saying we should just not interact with them at all.

No. 931095

Well we know she comes here for a fact and it'd be naive to think she has never posted her seeing as she goes out of her way to find and respond to haters on Twitter. This may not be her but I wouldn't be shocked.

No. 931097

The ONLY reason people are still dunking on Holly is because she keeps fanning the flames around her instead of putting them out and moving on with her life.

Also, if you want a 'proof' based analysis of what happened, here's something:

By Holly's own admission, she has these traits:

1) reacts poorly to anything she perceives as 'aggressive' or 'bullying' due to past abuse

2) codependency issues where she tries to solve other people's problems and take care of them

3) problems with attraction to others where she can only ever be attracted to someone she's really good friends with

4) A lack of empathy for others from years of abuse

5) A lack of experience in relationships

Heidi is blunt with her feelings, needs a lot of communication, and was entirely financially dependent on Jared. I think that was part of what pushed her to hold onto the marriage as long as she did.

This leads me to believe that this happened:

1) Heidi noticed that Jared and Holly were basically acting like a couple already, so she asked them to talk their feelings out.

2) Holly, because of above mentioned reasons, thought she was more in love with Jared than she was with Ross. Heidi felt uncomfortable with this and tried to shut it down.

3) When asked to, Jared broke up with Holly, and Holly didn't take it very well. Heidi and Holly had a phone call where Heidi yelled at her, and Holly (for reasons mentioned above) started to believe Jared was a victim of abuse and sent articles to Jared.

4) Holly's inability to feel anything for most people plus her lack of empathy due to abuse plus her codependency issues led her to attaching VERY strongly to Jared and becoming obsessed with 'helping' him escape into her arms.

5) Jared at first denied the articles, but eventually he realized that playing into that narrative would keep Heidi and Holly away from one another so they couldn't compare notes and pick up on his lies.

6) Jared wanted to have both Heidi and Holly at once, but Holly was putting pressure on him to leave Heidi. This led to him asking for a breakup the first time in October.

7) Heidi didn't want to lose her marriage for reasons stated above, so she fought to keep it. Jared, being a coward, agreed to work through their issues and try to make things work rather than just breaking up then.

8) Holly, still believing Jared was being abused, didn't understand why he hadn't left Heidi yet. Jared told her it was because Heidi was 'abusive' in order to hide that it was really just his cowardice at fault. Heidi, believing that they were still working on their marriage, continued to ask him to enforce boundaries with Holly.

9) Heidi finally found out about Holly and confronted Jared. Jared realized that the ruse was up and, rather than face his own mistakes, decided to break up with Heidi.

Jared's actions are TEXTBOOK cheating spouse actions.

Things that cheaters do:

1) blame their spouse for their cheating

2) depict their partner as 'abusive' to friends and any new partners

3) tell two different parties different stories

4) Keep people separated from one another so they can't compare notes

5) Come up with excuses for why they "can't" leave their spouse while promising that the other person in their true soulmate

6) Put another person on hold until they leave their marriage (which I don't think he would have ever done if Heidi didn't find those sexts)

Jared did ALL of those things. You can literally google any relationship where someone was cheated on, and you'll see at least one or two of those behaviors. Cheaters all act from the same playbook, that's why people can see his behavior for what it is. It's incredibly transparent.

I can provide screenshots and evidence to back up all of the premises this was built on.

No. 931099

Also, yeah, from the way the posts are written, it sounds like Denica. I know I just posted a big response, but agreed that it's probably better to ignore them.

No. 931103


Denica fits the ~facts & stats! angle she keeps pushing.

They are all stupid fucks though, imagine walking into a vegan restaurant and being like "why are you serving vegan!!" and complaining at them instead of just not going there, kek

Like it's very clear how this board views things, they gain NOTHING by debating with us, they won't change our mind, it's fucking pointless. Just get out of here and go find your own little circlejerk place to stan holly and jared, jesus christ

holly can show some self restraint and not visit here if it hurts her feefees so much. If it hurts her maybe it's because the truth stings. Her wk's won't get any brownie points for defending her honor either

No. 931106


Heidi missing her friends/family that she became isolated from over the course of her marriage to PedoDick isn't milk, Anon.

Milk would be the sudden reveal that she's actually a man or that she was really Hoelly all along.


I know this is news to you since you apparently never venture out of your Mom's basement, but married couples? They fight sometimes, especially when one is running around behind their partner's back with a mutual friend.


I wouldn't be surprised.


Denica or DanDan "The Man" Pirro. Cupcake is too fucking stupid to string a complete sentence together.

No. 931124

>A lack of empathy for others from years of abuse

I will agree with some of what's said here, though I'm curious about this one. Missing this info. (specifically the lack of empathy)

Where I have trouble following:
>blame their spouse for their cheating

I guess I'm missing or interpreting receipts differently

>Keep people separated from one another so they can't compare notes

The separation was imposed by Heidi, I haven't seen any indications of Jared telling Holly to stop talking to Heidi. Might be missing something here too.

Now here's what I've seen that you're leaving out that makes me question the story given:

1) Heidi shared a conversation with her therapist in which she is combative with her therapist because the therapist was taking Jared's side.

2) Jared showed a text where the same therapist was worried Heidi would make a false suicide threat. No idea why she(the therapist) would disclose this, though.

3) The threats, the statements that Heidi made that she's "dangerous"

4) Jared's change in demeanor on his streams during late 2018 (not sure when it started exactly)

5) Heidi asking Jared to sleep in a separate room some time after February 2018 (supported by the "Aeries chose me" tweet)

6) Heidi talking about leaving Jared crying in several of her receipts

7) Jared doing his best to not talk shit about Heidi (you can say he lets Holly do it for him I guess)

8) PBG and Furst initially coming out that Heidi appeared abusive

10) Not once in her retelling did Heidi say "we discussed this and decided…" it was always "I told him we had to…" I.E. "I told him he had to cut off all communication with Holly"

11) I still have yet to understand what Jared did that was abusive, gaslighting, etc.

12) Sometimes two people can experience the same thing and walk away thinking something different happened. I assume that's the case here. Bad communication and high emotions lead to both parties feeling the other was doing them dirty. Jared felt Heidi wasn't being reasonable, and started losing his give a fuck. Heidi felt Jared was ignoring her pain and got more angry.

As for the pointless attempts at guessing my identity. Nobody has it correct, not that I would confirm it if you did guess correctly, but so far many swings and many misses.

No. 931127


I think this is a pretty spot on timeline, anon. I just feel like it downplays the effect that DCA had on this all. If you watch Heidi's stream you can hear how fucking weird Holly and Jared were about it. Insanely, insanely obsessed, to the point where I wonder if Holly saw Heidi as an obstacle to "Striath being endgame"

No. 931146

Holly went around telling all of her and Jared's mutual friends that Heidi was abusive and even held an intervention for Jared. Anything PBG says is not really relevant to me because Holly poisoned the well.

No. 931150

Again, we see through you. In here no one would give a fuck about this rumored without evidence boyfriend being black. Stop making inane shit up, you sound like a /pol/ male.

No. 931151

That's clear sarcasm about a previous idiotic statement made in the threads, and I'm the supposed "sealion"

No. 931174

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See attachment → Holly said she turned her empathy off.

"The separation was imposed by Heidi, I haven't seen any indications of Jared telling Holly to stop talking to Heidi. Might be missing something here too."

The separation wasn’t really imposed by anyone. Heidi asked for some space from Holly, but Holly was the one who stopped talking to her altogether and unfollowed her on twitter.

There are texts where Heidi tells Jared “I’m about to contact her myself” which sounds to me like Jared was trying to control the information flowing between them.

This is what I mean by separation. I think Jared was manipulating both of them so that they didn’t want to talk to one another.

For example, he showed Heidi the texts where Holly accuses her of being abusive (which he didn’t have to do). It’s also implied by Holly that he was simultaneously telling her he thought Heidi was abusive. Imho he was playing into both of their fears and insecurities to keep them pitted against one another.

"Jared showed a text where the same therapist was worried Heidi would make a false suicide threat. No idea why she(the therapist) would disclose this, though."

Did you also see the text thread where the same therapist says that Jared took that screenshot out of context and doing that was "super shitty"?

No. 931175

Its very interesting that Holly's whiteknights ignore that Holly deleted tweets during the time that Heidi claims she was texting Jared "why isn't this relationship over already?" She even threatened suicide openly on Twitter and yet Jared somehow gave the therapist the idea that Heidi was the one threatening suicide for attention.

No. 931176

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Gaslighting is a form of abuse, and it's where the abuser lies to you and denies your version of reality whenever you bring it up.

Jared was lying about multiple things by his OWN admission.

One example was that he told Heidi he had shut down his porn blog when he was still using it.

He also told her he "couldn't remember" the last time he lied to her about anything while lying to her, he told her he wasn't seeing Holly on the side when he was, etc.


No. 931177

Yes, this. Holly was openly talking about wanting to "disappear" multiple times.

No. 931178

Empathy off? Does she think shes a vampire from tvd?

No. 931180

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Wanted to show the tweets in question where Holly admits that Heidi and Jared were still in a relationship in December and she is clearly frustrated about it. She scrubbed a bunch from that period.

No. 931184

Without knowing the timeline of these supposed lies, it's difficult to ascertain that they are.

That being said, is this your conclusion to how Jared was gaslighting her, or is it what she said was his gaslighting.

That's two different beasts.

Of course knowing the flow of events it can be speculated how he might have. What I want to know is what Heidi considers to be his gaslighting.

As with many things, I may have missed something. But I've seen her claim gaslighting many, many times, without actually detailing what he was pushing her to believe that was false/went against her memories.

No. 931186

It's even wilder when you realize she's not just talking about depression… she's talking about wanting to give up on helping Jared.

"My emotional self harm flavor today is absolutely unwanted, unlovable, a burden, and should just disappear."


"Also if you cry on a plane for an hour about things you can't control while a bunch of shitty kids sing All Star about 20 times in the seats in front of you you also have my sympathy" - Nov 20

"I don't know how long to keep trying before I just disappear."


"How do you help a friend in an abusive relationship? How do you not go insane watching it?"
– Dec 12

"I'm really working hard on my depression, and I don't think that's what this is, I think I'm just genuinely sad"


"My new medicine is working really well, and I feel much less depressed and hopeless, but every morning I've woken up sobbing because of a sad situation I can't fix." - Jan 10

No. 931192

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He was lying about so many things. Telling Heidi that she was paranoid for suspecting him. Telling her that he had shut down his porn blog, that he wasn't leaving her for Holly, that he couldn't remember lying to her.

He also wouldn't let her go to twitch con even though she had her own panel set up already, and threatened to break up with her if she did.


If that doesn't look like abuse to you, I don't know what to tell you.

No. 931193

"Helping Jared" meaning "pressure him endlessly to leave a marriage he isn't sure he wants to leave".

Isn't the story now that he isn't cooperating with the divorce proceedings? You'd think a guy who has been fucking around and crying abuse since 2018 would go ahead and end it already. It's almost like all his excuses about Heidi forcing him to stay (as opposed to asking for a chance to try and make the marriage work) are complete bullshit made up to placate Holly. Since she was drunk, acting a fool on Twitter and harassing him through text all the time.

What really has changed? He's still married, she's still inebriated and acting a fool on Twitter but she can't claim Heidi is the problem this time. She was just pissy in 2019 because she moved states and left her husband in a flash while Jared was still sleeping in bed with his wife and wearing his ring lol.

No. 931194


Weird how Jared decides he's done with Heidi in October and that his marriage is a farce, and yet Holly is lamenting over how sad and unlovable she is. It's almost like… he was lying about the state of his relationship with Heidi and was manipulating two different women at the same time to fuck them both.

No. 931199

Omg people keep going back and forth about Jared & Heidi went they seperated last year!
Clearly both of them have blame and aren't totally innocent. Discovering the truth won't change it.

So can we get more milk on
Arin+Suzy,Jack+Gab,Dan+Ash,Holly+Jared (Current events please), that'd be much preffered.

No. 931207

No joke.

Jared is clearly a gaslighting scumbag loser who took advantage of his small taste of internet fame to hook up with and collect nudes from various fans, often behind his spouse's back. Holly is the eternal uwu victim, special snowflake, misunderstood wannabe witch girl who uses her mental illness as a "get out of jail free" card. Heidi? She's not perfect, I don't think any anon here has said she is either, some have even called her on being a bit of a pick me "cool" gf/wife while she was with Jared, as well as on some of her other choices and behaviors. People do make mistakes, and yes, people can change and move on. Heidi is lowest on the cringe outcome of the whole fiasco which is why the focus falls back onto the shitshow that still is Holly and Jared. Heidi might be a little bit of a flake, but outside the Jared saga, she's not milky. The Jared and Holly stans just need to give it up already.

Some updates on the GG gang would be interesting if anyone has anything. I remember the days when Suzy reigned supreme in the GG threads and people thought Holly seemed "sweet". kek.

No. 931209


Five months later, she'd be admitting herself to a psych hospital to avoid the immediate ramifications from people discovering the affair. Maybe a month after THAT, she'd be talking about how she uses negatiave comments to self harm. A few months after THAT, she'd be back to giving mental health tips.

HollyStan Anon, tell me how there's nothing fucked up about someone who's mental health is THAT rocky giving other people mental health tips.

No. 931214


AYRT. I guess I was right about not needing to infight, because your post is 100% in agreement with mine. I poke fun at >>930227 for saying that guys don't cuddle with their girlfriends in public. You say

>there's nothing wrong with a girl clinging onto her man, something you see any time of the week with couples not afraid of PDA

These things are literally the same. No idea how to respond to the part about "hating" Holly, because I have no idea what it's in reference to. Sorry to be "quirky" (by not making fun of women who show affection? we have the same opinion kek) and "stupid." Can't we be uwu friends and not instinctively lash out at each other? Like I'm not miffed & don't blame you for lashing out, tensions have been high in the last several threads. But what if we had a thread in which pj2anons went completely ignored and we just laughed at cows?

No. 931217

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Meanwhile, Holly's still complaining…

No. 931227

>I feel bad this is how you're spending your free time.
She says as she spends her free time responding to various shitposters and trolls. The lack of awareness really is astounding in this one.

No. 931228

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>We post about Holly because she is funnier. She is a cow in her own right and produces constant milk that is now unrelated to her past drama with Heidi. People were having fun laughing at Holly. That's it. The fact people laugh at Holly does not mean they support Heidi. I don't post about Heidi because lately she hasn't done anything funny. If you have Heidi milk, post it so we can laugh at it. Otherwise, shut up with this tired bullshit that no one wants to read

Really, truly, and precisely this. Thank you, anon. Holly is fun to gawk and laugh at and it ain't that deep.

No. 931236

This. I'm surprised that people keep falling for this same shit bickering cycle for so many threads. Pretty much since last May.

I have no doubt in my mind that Holly has been posting though. The way she searches for drama and fights with people who don't like her makes it highly likely that she defends herself here.

No. 931238


Hoelly, you STILL have your "cancelled" and "boundaries" shirts for sale as an attempt to profit off of said drama, not to mention you liking those tweets comparing Johnny Depp/Amber Heard to PedoDick's bullshit.

How the fuck do you consider that "past drama" when you are STILL bitching about it yourself months later??

No. 931240

> She ate so much that her fat deposits became a sweater

Top kek anon, I'd vote next thread pic if we hadn't just started one. Though with the amount of people who want to endlessly debate spoiled milk and sealion when it's clear they haven't read the previous 16 threads, a new thread might happen sooner than we think.

No. 931259

my fucking lord, these threads. when did things turn so wonderfully golden?!

>holly stoning herself into a coma before screaming on twitch about lolcow

>holly putting out the sorry results of (paid, i hope) photoshoot upon photoshoot on her twitter like it's a job
>denica skimping on her thesis work to come here and demand facts from a drama board
>this one retarded anon refusing to quit about heidi's bLaCk BoYfRiEnD though
>>931228 THIS fucking picture

my sides have achieved orbit lmfao

No. 931324

Kinda weird that one of Clownrad's main sources of income is Twitch yet shes constantly cancelling her streams or conducting them high off her mind

No. 931326

Since DnD Presents (Chris Perkins, Anna Prosser, and Nate Sharp's new DnD show post-DCA) now offically starts at the end of this month, what are the odds that Holly shows up in the live twitch chat?

No. 931337


Why wouldn't she? She was supportive of the announcement of the show (unlike pissy Jared) and it is clear that both Anna and Chris are publicly and privately supportive and still friends with her.

No. 931342

Very high cause she needs to kiss a lot of ass to get her job back.

No. 931347

I'm just not sold on this. What day was this text sent? Who was it sent to?

Given her propensity for telling half the story and never detailing dates why are you so convinced she can be trusted to be representing things honestly. This text chain wasn't released until August. Why was it held back? Why then was it released?

I don't trust anyone in this drama to be fairly representing things when they can't be confirmed against a secondary source. One of those secondary sources is a timeline.

It changes the implications whether these things were said in 2019 or 2018

No. 931349

This. She mentioned on stream recently she wanted to get her job back. Good luck with that Holly

No. 931352

we called it back when dca's cancellation was made official: she wants to keep from burning that bridge for future opportunities. too bad her retard sexpest boyfriend didnt just burn his bridgr, he nuked it from orbit.

or maybe shes already looking to move on to another dnd relationship since her own got cancelled lmaoo. watch out jared, now that you are no longer diath your time is limited.

No. 931353

When she announced her streaming schedule at the beginning of the year, it was pretty clear she wasn't ready to handle it. I think she's only streamed twice since her last MHM on the 27th, over two weeks ago. She's quit her schedule in less than a month and is using the art show as an excuse not to work. Remember when Holly was streaming almost every day during DCA while working on side projects? But now she's saying an "art show" is too much? She's not ready for full time streaming but doesn't want to admit it

No. 931354


I believe we as a group are no longer entertaining wks at face value, so instead, may I say that your interpretation of the phrase "secondary source" is chef's kiss

No. 931364


Oh Hoelly, it's nice to see that your post-art-show high lasted for all five minutes and you're back at blatantly ignoring evidence that doesn't suit your narrative.


Especially with her now openly admitted to getting high af right before her stream. If she can't even be sober long enough to do a one hour stream, she's going to be hard pressed to be invited to any official, large-scale DND events.


That's probably exactly it. She was really into Ross while she could still milk the FemShep!Garrus relationship - but when she lost that stupid contest, she fizzled out on that and moved on to DND. Now that DCA/DND is fizzling, it will be no time at all before she's found her next thing.

No. 931381


How the hell does she plan on doing that lol

No. 931383


well, she wasn't canned because of a relationship with a colleague, this isn't really in the scope of what Wizards can control or request from employee. Jared was scrubbed from everywhere because of the interactions with fans, but Holly had nothing to do with that (and she actually said pretty early on that was improper). I'm guessing DCA getting canned does feel like getting fired, but if she is still liked by Chris Perkins and it seems also Jeremy Crawford (the new DM of the big Acq.Inc. games) and Greg Tito (recently tweeted at her), what reason would be there to not hire her for a new project?

No. 931385


I would lol if Holly somehow managed to worm her way back into DCA or related projects while Jared is left there to fume at not being included and he gets grumpy about it

No. 931392

It's hilarious the new show is everyone but Jared and Holly. It couldn't be more blatant that they aren't wanted. I'd love to see Holly keep kissing ass trying to get on a new show, although she doesn't seem to have much of a plan besides tweeting at people in the community to make herself still look relevant

No. 931400


Here's the real question: if she is offered a role and Jared isnt, will she take it? Or is she idiotic enough to "stand with him"

Minor secondary question: is Jared enough of an asshole to resent her/take it out on her if she does get an offer and he doesn't?

No. 931401


WOTC might not want to bring her back just because of how the chat would react and all the hate they would have to filter

No. 931402


Yes, she would absolutely take a role for herself instead of "standing with Jared".

Yes, he would absolutely resent her for it.

No. 931403

Three questions:
Are there two obvious stand ins that sounds like an offbrand version? Like Strux and Biath?
Or were they killed off screen and now no one mentions then after a brief euology?
Oreven better, they just disappeared an no one even acknowledged that they were ever a part of the game?

No. 931404


>"What reason would be there to not hire her for a new project?"

Her continued attachment to the controversial, potential pedophile, PedoDick - for one. For another, she is incredibly problematic with her random outbursts/meltdowns on twitter. From a PR standpoint, Hoelly is a nightmare that they'd be wise to avoid.


Even if invited back, I don't think Hoelly would go without Jared.


I thought Anna and Nate both created new characters for the new show, but I could be wrong. The only ones unable to just move on and start over are PedoDick and Cumrag.

No. 931405

>what reason would be there to not hire her for a new project?

The idiot is still having meltdowns on twitter and openly admitted multiple times to seeking out drama (like lurking and probably posting on here). WotC isn't going to hire someone or let them back when they're still being a toxic cunt firmly implanted into Jared's birdhole.

Also this. They wouldn't have let her go if they had no reason to.

> is Jared enough of an asshole to resent her/take it out on her if she does get an offer and he doesn't?

Oh hell yes, without a doubt.

No. 931406


The new show will be a whole new campaign with new characters. Totally unrelated to DCA

Holly is just holding out for them to let Strix be a guest appearance

No. 931414

I'm fairly certain WOTC in general has a big anti-drama policy.
Mike Mearls has been completely silent on social media since the Zak S thing broke well over a year ago.
So unless she disassociates from the drama completely and stays on her best fucking behavior, sure Greg Tito and Chris Perkins and whothefuckeverelse will still be nice on Twitter but the upper management will put the kibosh on any potential return.

No. 931419


Strix was still acknowledged in the recent Acq. Inc. games with literal standing ovation and cheers from the crowd when the DM mentioned her several times during the game. Ana was playing in that game too and mentioned something about Strix and the others I think.

No. 931424


Never understood the strix love. As someone who literally tuned in every week to DCA, Strix was the WORST.

No. 931437

There were a lot of people who felt the same as you, but got drowned out by the loudest of the DCA fans. You couldn't say anything or else they jumped all over you, so people just stayed quiet

No. 931452

>Holly gets hired again
>starts a new romance with another character
>she leaves Jared to be with whoever plays her new love interest
would be pretty funny.

No. 931468

That's the most likely scenario.

No. 931478

The most likely scenario is WotC refusing to work with her again because she could bring damage to the brand. From a corporate standpoint, there's extreme risk and very little reward for continuing to work with someone with a stigma attached to their name, even if they weren't the primary offender. It's a can of worms, and taking even one step towards bringing back either of them would be stupid when you can just as easily ignore them and their fans and lose relatively nothing in the process.

No. 931480

I meant if she did come back, anon. I don't think WotC would allow it, but Hoelly is good at threatening suicide if things don't go her way. Don't think that WotC would fall for it but she could guilt the current players like Anna into putting in a "good word" for her. It's why she's still licking their assholes.

No. 931487


Not to mention that Nate and Anna did the same shit as Holly and Jared. They both cheated with each other. Not suprising Anna is still friends and sympathetic to Holly

No. 931499


WotC will not bring Strix back without Diath because of the fan response that would get. All the whiny, angry DCA shippers would come out of the woodwork to say, "now you have to bring him back too!" and just cause more problems. The company definitely does not want to cater to those people or entertain the drama. The characters/reputations are too intertwined to just get one back without opening a bigger can of worms.

This also brings up another thing- if Holly were ever to be associated with a Wizards show again, they would probably ask her NOT to roleplay as Strix. Anna and Nate made totally new characters, so it follows that they would want to keep Strix out of it even if Holly were allowed back. It'd be pretty entertaining to see her tantrum over that, OR her attempts at making a second self-insert character that's totallynotStrix.

No. 931500

First she went SciFi, did her science fiction romance with Ross
Then tried to be the gamer girl with Ross and the Grumps.
Medieval fantasy with Jared and WoTC.
I feel next she will try to go ghetto hoodrat and start dating some black guy.

She already smokes weed so the transition won't be hard.

No. 931503

Please tell me you just forgot to /s anon

No. 931512

Anon who keeps bringing up "black bfs/gfs" needs to be banned for terrible bait

No. 931521

It already happens with the Idle Champions game, so imagine that tenfold.

No. 931525

Jared, Holly, and Heidi are all streaming right now. The watch count is:
Jared: 293
Holly: 105
Heidi: 61
Surprised Heidi's numbers are so high. Have to admit tho her crafting streams are prtty cool

No. 931532


It's a shame because Heidi's streams are way more high quality than Jared/Holly. Those two are just so boring and offer uninteresting commentary where Heidi is showing a talent and crafting a cosplay live on camera, plus I find her voice and personality very calming

No. 931583

Seems like Jared lost his giant comeback boost. All the incels have moved on to their next crusade.

No. 931584

This, crafting streams are far more interesting than anything holly or jared could shit out. But the internet likes praising vapid, untalented people, so.

No. 931608

This is somewhat unrelated and kind of armchair psych so take with a grain of salt, but I stumbled on an old KF thread discussing Holly calling Heidi BPD and something that had been bothering me about all of this hit me.

I started reading the characteristics of BPD and realized that they ALL describe Holly to a T. But didn't she accuse Heidi of having BPD herself?

Turns out that projection is another facet of BPD. So what if she was projecting her OWN diagnosis onto Heidi?



Past history of family abuse, low self esteem, emotional self-harm, splitting (for example, turning Heidi into the Evil one and herself into the Good one), suppressing/cutting out the negative parts of herself, projection of her BPD onto others, obsession with Jared, lack of empathy…

The list goes on.

Her view of Heidi as this horrible evil woman while she herself constantly talks about empathy and compassion never really made sense to me.

This kind of makes it all line up, though. (Even the bit about her obsession with Jared.)(armchair)

No. 931610

Honestly anon I thought it was pretty plainly obvious that Holly is very BPD and that everyone else already realized it too, but if you think it's such a revelation, maybe I'm off the mark.

No. 931612

I think it's just because Holly herself and all of the KF people are saying that Heidi is the one with BPD. So I hadn't considered Holly being an option.

No. 931632


>"but Hoelly is good at threatening suicide if things don't go her way"

She is - but that would be the one surefire way to ensure that she NEVER worked with WoTC or DND in any capacity ever again. Big companies don't take kindly to someone threatening them into giving out jobs.


Yeah - at least Anna and Nate were smart enough to keep their mouths shut in the public arena, whereas Hoelly couldn't WAIT to openly brag that Strix/Diath was now real life too.


I would rather watch someone craft and enjoy a hobby than Hoelly get absolutely ripped and not even be remotely focused on anything during a stream. PedoDick can go suck his own dick - If I want to play old games, I'll just go do that and not blow 1-2 hours watching a grown man fail to grow up.

No. 931636

Depending on the game he plays, he still hits over the 400 range including tons of subs. MTG isn't his target audience. As much as you want to shit talk, this is one aspect that has literally nothing to do with who he is as a person but rather the fact..that's just how streaming/youtube life is lol.

Unless you're a big name MTG player, you won't get a ton of views, it's fairly boring to watch in general and he is more known for shit like randomizers or actual video games. Look at his pokemon sw/sh stream, he was easily nearing 2k viewers like most other people who stream it hit high numbers.

We get it, Heidi stan, but not everyone is into crafting/cosplay creation streams. I promise you don't watch streams/videos of things you aren't interested in, so why is it surprising, let alone shocking what she does isn't popular and will pull in hundreds/thousands of viewers? Just look at the twitch directory some time to get an idea of what gets the views on that platform.

No. 931661


>"But not everyone is into crafting/cosplay creation streams"

Good for them. Nobody is bitching about Heidi not having higher numbers or screaming about how it's some big conspiracy - merely people pointing out the difference in numbers. Unlike y'all ProDick/Hoelly stans, we're capable of saying "Hey, there's a difference, that's okay" rather than shouting about how unfair it is and "#EndCancelCulture" or what-the-fuck-ever.

>"Why is it surprising, let alone shocking what she does isn't popular?"

It is popular among the right crowd. Also, some people do streams because they enjoy them, not just to gain the adoration of a bunch of strangers online while simultaneously getting too high to hold it together.

No. 931687


We aren't saying that its suprising that someone with a much smaller following isnt getting the same amount of viewers as two popular creators. We are just pointing out the quality difference between her and the dynamic duo. I'd rather watch a genuinely talented person create something than a woman too stoned to function mumble and chew on herself or an extremely unfunny man who is convinced he's Gods gift to comedy

No. 931688

Heidi was holding her own in views last night too, especially against such well established creators like Jared and Holly who have a long term fanbase. That crazy anon who screams about everyone being a Heidi stan won't let you say anything remotely positive about her without jumping down your throat. I'm by no means a fan of Heidi's and won't be subbing her channel, but even I have to admit that she's talented at what she does. It's impressive she was getting that many views for being so new to the game. I think she'll be successful if she can keep up the momentum and grow a fanbase

No. 931693

Heidi's sound quality is low at best, lighting could use huge improvement, she has hardly any custom emotes, and she could vastly improve her layout.

Her stream is not higher quality, you just like it more.

No. 931697


I like it more. Most of your opinions, boil down to "needs improvement" anyway.

It's almost like likeability has a huge part in streaming anyway /s

No. 931698


Holly Stan: -criticizes Heidi for having subpar sound on a stream-

Same anon, failing to see the irony: OMG y’all will attack Holly for anything!!

No. 931699

Those are the indicators of a stream's quality, like it or hate it. Anybody can create a stream with quality if they dump enough money into it. That doesn't mean the content is quality.

I guarentee you, though, there's a craft streamer out there with every indicator of quality including entertainment and talent who wishes they could get half of what Heidi does.

Creating is a very niche market on twitch

No. 931700

Just passing by this thread, but is OP image some chick with pussy lips pasted over her eyelids…?

No. 931702

Nah anon that's her actual face. She has eyes that look like buttholes

No. 931704

I genuinely hope Holly reads this and freaks out

No. 931705

Nope, she genuinely looks like she was made by Picasso's autistic, drunk cousin.

No. 931718


It's not crazy for someone starting out to not have the highest quality equipment, and it's not like shes rolling in cash to buy better stuff. I doubt Jared let her take all of the good streaming equipment

Also, criticizing Heidi wont make Holly and Jared's streams any better. They can have the highest quality equipment on Twitch and would still put me to sleep.

I get that you want to diminish every complement Heidi gets and all that, but she streams interesting stuff, even if it's something you dont care about.

If Holly starts streaming herself making some cosplay or diath domintrix gear I'm sure you stans will fall over backwards complementing her orginality

No. 931719


Her makeup is so hit or miss. Theres pictures she posts where it looks bomb, but then she does a photo shoot with it like this.

No. 931720

She got a professional photographer to take and edit this pic. Makes you wonder if the photographer secretly hates her

No. 931728

her makeup was never good, she just filters the fuck out of her photos

No. 931732

fucking hell im dying

No. 931749


The only time it looks remotely close to "bomb" is when she's spent god knows how long slapping filters on it. Pasty faced Lydia Deets' wannabes can't pull off some of the looks Hoelly tries.


Nah, that photographer is so up Hoelly's asshole that it isn't funny.

No. 931753


Filters and facetime up the wazoo, so much that candids look like a different person

No. 931757

Question, do you have a pic of her in a full face of makeup? I've only seen her do one look that is orange/brown eyeshadow with no mascara or liner. It makes her look like a corpse which I guess is what she's going for? But I'd like to see what she looks like with regular makeup on

No. 931762

Check back in the threads…
There's screenshots from her livestreams where she's looking jaundiced as fuck.

No. 931770


uh, the quality of a stream depends primarily on content; who gives a fuck about custom emotes if what's being broadcast isn't interesting.

sure, sound and video quality can detract from good content, but great sound and video aren't going to make a steaming pile of shit worth watching.

No. 931781

this. also she's just starting out and had her first custom emotes approved only last week. it makes no sense for anon to be complaining that she doesn't have a ton of emotes like a longterm streamer

No. 931782

Empirical quality is: sound, lighting, custom emotes and alerts. Those things can be compared generally 1:1

Content is by its nature is not empirical. What you like doesn't reflect what others do.

If you're going to claim Heidi's is superior you should compare its relative quality to similar streams and then say that it's comparably higher quality to those than pedo and Hoelly's streams are to their relative niches.

No. 931814

imagine being the kind of autist that gives a shit about custom emotes

No. 931822


anon, i know you think you're in expert in data analysis because you once took a science class in middle school, but there are two kinds of data: qualitative and quantitative. qualitative data can be just as "empirical" as quantitative data.

to argue that the quality of content can only be measured based on quantitative metrics like the number of custom emotes or alerts, video resolution, bitrate, etc, is asinine. imagine conducting a study on quality of life and only measuring the amount of money someone made or counting how many pieces of furniture they had, while refusing to hear subjective perspectives on dimensions of well-being that can't be quantified.

every single one of your posts about heidi could be a candidate for r/iamverysmart

No. 931839


Crazy how the MINUTE someone compliments Heidi or her stream that anon feels the need to speak out. There are plenty of anti-Heidi spaces online, fuck off to there

No. 931895


That anon gave off crazy hoelly vibes - Who else would give a fuck about something as pointless emotes as an indicator of if one's stream is good or not?


>"Every single one of your posts about Heidi could be a candidate for r/iamverysmart"

Says the anon who just wasted their time making a post detailing the difference between qualitative and quantitative data on a lolcow board.

No. 931999


trying to sound smart did you disservice here, anon. "Empirical" really doesn't mean what you think ot means judging by how you use it cause what you wrote at best makes no sense, at worst makes it worse for Heidi

No. 932017

Remember that one time when during the process of gaslighting and manipulating Jared into believing he is abused Holly admitted to being formally abusive to her ex husband, which made her an expert? Good thing she is fixable and capable of change, unlike that evil slut Heidi

No. 932018

Does anyone else remember that Halloween Drunk Drawing Ross did with Supermega where at the end he mentioned drinking to get through his rough divorce? Or how recently he has spoken about the bad place he was in for a few months?

But no guys, he was totally ok with it!! #1 Jolly Shipper! He was completely ok with his wife sexting/rping and having an emotional affair with one of his closest friends for MONTHS and only telling him once said friend's wife called them out and demanded they confront their actions!

No. 932028

Stop defending Heidi, she was sucking dick on the side too you moron.
Ross is however the only truely innocent one in this.

Holly&Heidi are two sides of the same coin honestly

No. 932032

Didnt she literally just have an online emotional thing with a trans boy (so, a girl) while jared was actually irl fucking different people.

No. 932039

That post wasn’t even about Heidi you weirdo.

No. 932047

She's only admitted to her relationship with Jeremy, but she's also talked on Twitter about exploring her feelings for women because of the arrangement.

No. 932048

way to project heidi onto that post when she wasn't even mentioned. honestly, i know "hi cow" is against the rules but sometimes i see posts in here and it screams "holly".

No. 932049

On Holly's stream last night, she brought her chicken and rooster on camera and admits to keeping them in the house (WTF). She says "she's not supposed to have a rooster" and has to keep him inside because he yells in the morning and her neighbors complained (yeah no shit). Holly blames the neighbors for having a "stigma" against roosters and calls them passive agressive for complaining in the form of a letter instead of confronting her in person. She makes it clear that she doesn't give a fuck about her neighbors and is mad she now has to rehome the rooster because of "the law". What a crazy fucking narc, imagine being Holly's neighbor

No. 932051

And she also admitted the chicken pisses all over her bed and pillows

No. 932069


Found it.

>Oct 24, 2018

Date checks out - right after they announced their divorce.

No. 932070

She's so gross. Who the fuck puts a chicken on their bed?

And Holly is retarded for getting a rooster. WTF did she think? She's such a birb person, but doesn't know a lot of roosters don't just crow in the morning, but in the afternoon and multiple times in the day. They're not like the god damn cartoons. My parents live in an area where people get goats, etc. and the neighbors complained enough to make them give away their rooster. They're a nuisance and even farm people are annoyed by them. She lives in god damn Seattle. People in residential areas like that just want peace and quiet.

No. 932078

Not to blogpost, but I had neighbors over 300 feet away with a rooster that would wake me up at 5AM even with all my windows closed. I can only imagine how bad it is in a neighborhood like Holly's where the houses are 20 feet apart. There's a reason for the fucking law.

No. 932080

>Holly blames the neighbors for having a "stigma" against roosters

Fucking hell Holly, not everything is a 'stigma' or 'discrimination' or some other dire societal-ill.


Yep. Came here to say this.
Roosters crow. They're territorial, it's what they do. That's why most of the people who successfully raise them live on farms, out in the country, or basically on any property with a large expanse of land.
It's like having a big dog that barks all day & night, & guess what? People complain about those too. It's not 'prejudice against the poor birbs uwu' or whatever you say it is.

>calls them passive agressive for complaining in the form of a letter

I mean, we've all seen the way she responds to criticism online. I don't blame them for not wanting to confront her face-to-face about it.
She'd probably keep asking variations of "Can you please explain to me how my rooster crowing is bothering you??? uwu" & not stopping until they give in & let her have her way.

No. 932082

yeah holly no shit you're gonna have to rehome an animal considered livestock when you live in suburbia, I swear this girl gets dumber with every word that comes out of her butthole eye face

No. 932084

I can't get over that she lets chickens roam freely throughout her house. That's a smell that will never come out. Jared is one lucky guy.

She's claiming it isn't her fault because she didn't know that he was a rooster when she got him. Sounds like bullshit to me, especially when she said everything would have been fine if the neighbors hadn't complained. I think she just did what she wanted with no fucks given like she usually does. ~I had good intentions uwu so I can't be in trouble~

She mentioned it takes over 3 different neighbors to get a complaint letter sent out so I'm sure everyone who lives by her absolutely hates her.

No. 932095

House chickens are a thing, but they sell special diapers designed to fit chickens for exactly the reason you point out. I'm assuming she didn't have her chickens diapered.

also it's not just due to a "stigma" against roosters when they're actively causing problems for the neigbors. If you had a rooster that was somehow silent I'm sure they wouldn't be inclined to complain, but surprise surprise, Holly, when you make bad decisions that affect other people's lives they will get upset about it. Especially when it's a legal issue. Like keeping illegal pets or betraying your best friend's marriage by sleeping with her scumbag husband.

No. 932096

>She's claiming it isn't her fault because she didn't know that he was a rooster when she got him.

Yeah, I can buy that. I had a pet chick that turned out to be a rooster as a kid. But you gotta rehome that bird you dumb bitch. Typical Holly where she blames the mistake on her ignorance but refuses to fix it.

No. 932097


diapers are too logical for her. she's letting it piss all over the house

No. 932098


Oh, a letter?

Like the weird in character strix smut ones she would send Jared even before they admitted their feelings?

Or the fabled apology letter she wrote to Heidi and never sent?

I guess letters are only acceptable if you're Holly Clownrad

No. 932118

Letters are passive agressive now? Remember how she was too afraid to confront Heidi and wrote her an awful "artsy" Strix styled letter instead?

No. 932119

Lol her character sent smut letters to Jared's?

No. 932121


During Heidi's stream she talked about it. during the period of time when Jared and Holly were always sexting and rping before "the walk" aka Heidi telling them to confront their feelings she would send him cringy striath letters from Strix

No. 932123

"It isn't her fault"

Nothing is her fault is it? Even if she didn't intend to bring a rooster into her home it is still her fault that HER rooster is now disturbing the neighbors. She is quite literally unable to take responsibility for anything she does.

No. 932132


How many birds does this woman have? + a cat????

I just can not believe it possible for one woman to PROPERLY take care of so many fucking animals. If it was cats or dogs the world would be crying abuse but because they are just birds it flies under the radar.

She cries that its OK because who else would take care of them or pay the vet bills… OK, Boomer, but when you have THAT MANY fucking animals then none of them or a very very few select few are going to get the proper attention they deserve. Youd think if she loves birds so much she would recognize this

No. 932137

Holly's love is always a possessive love.
"I love them so I must have them."

No. 932138


See, I don't because even in ag applications you can specifically buy pullets, which are young hens sexed by the breeder. The pics I recall of her getting them they're not tiny chicks in a brooder, they're big enough to be in her outside coop and imo big enough to have been sexed.

I'm calling bullshit, either she wanted a fancy boy, the breeder lied to her, or she didn't care and got a straight run (where the birds are not sexed). Which, a breeder who knew she'd be in city limits would be being irresponsible not to ask if she wanted pullets. If she got them from an ag store - generally found outside big city limits - the minimum birds you can get is like 4 and they do offer pullets, but if she didn't disclose she's in city limits they might not have known to suggest it.

No. 932140


It's just fucking hilarious. This is what he gave up his wife, cat, and beloved DnD show for. A troll, wanna-be witch who is obsessed with birds to the point where she let's them piss all over her home and BED?!? Not to mention the pity parties, the suicide threats, the narcissism, the mental illness that someone simultaneously takes away her empathy and makes her want to "please everyone and make them happy"

How long until shes aksing to move in with him? The impression i get is that her house is in a much smaller neighborhood than his and has a smaller property. Pretty soon she will be moving into his house, doing her absolute best to clear all evidence of Heidi, construct a huge bird coop, paint everything black and make a shrine to Striath.

No. 932146


It also falls more in line with what other collaborators have said about Jared. He's not really a friend he just associates with people long enough to get his own boost then dips. He got the bump he needed from Ross/The Grumps, so anything after that didn't matter. Even betraying someone who he was supposed to be good friends with is irrelevant to him cause he got that sweet, sweet viewer engagement.

No. 932150


God I cant wait for him to leave Holly like all his other friends he has used. The milk will be delicious. Although I could see him also taking the influencer romance route with her because he knows how much attention it would get them

No. 932151


Honestly I have a feeling that he deeply regrets choosing Holly over Ross

No. 932153


For Heidi's sake I hope they just leave Seattle. Its not like they still have the DnD jobs that they moved there for. Well, that Jared moved for. Holly just did to continue banging and manipulating him

No. 932154


I wonder if Jared really did try to end things with holly. He showed Heidi all the stuff she said about her and moved across the country. I wonder if he tried to leave her and fix his marriage, but she used suicidal threats and manipulating to harass him until he believed he truly was abused and fell for her narrative, not to mention the fact that she stalked him and his wife to ANOTHER STATE to continue her manipulation.

No. 932169


lol butthole eyes streaming alone the night before valentine's day, talking about how her neighbors hate her and her chickens piss on her stuff….how does she have fans who listen to this unironically.

i wonder if her or jared will post anything about their healthy, stable and totally normal relationship for valentine's today.

No. 932175

My money's on "Jared is ghosting her so she'll vaguetweet about how antiquated Valentine's Day is and how it's not 1673 anymore, you guys uwu".

No. 932184


I vote that they both stream like normal, Jared playing something nobody cared about and Holly chewing on herself and mumbling, stoned into oblivion. AKA not spend the day/night together

No. 932185


Now its Valentines and she posted a picture of a star trek character. Is it even her own art or is she just posting someone else's work

No. 932188


What are the odds Jared posts a cringy selfie captioned like a weird fantasy about the reader being with him. "Wishing you a happy valentines, imagine if we were together holding hands right now"

No. 932198


Do you think when Jared ghosts her now a days she still blames Heidi even though they are separated? Or now does she blame the drama? OR is she smart enough to realize he is doing the same thing to her she encouraged him to do to his own wife?

Heidi mentioned in her stream that one of the biggest suprises when reading the affair texts between the two was that Jared was as ghostly and shitty to Holly as he was herself, so we know it wouldn't be new behavior

No. 932199


Holly once again proving that "boundaries" to her is just a catchphrase designed to sell t-shirts

No. 932200

It's not a dragon looking to the right or a mushroom, so no Holly didn't draw it

No. 932201

This is really sad. Jared is retweeting and liking others girls posts and just leaving Holly's valentine on read. Meanwhile, Holly is liking posts about Jameela Jamil's boyfriend publicly standing up for her, which is something Jared never did for her. Jared is maybe the worst consolation prize in this whole mess

No. 932203


Jared talked about Holly and thanked her for helping him in his first twitch stream after the youtube video. PJ2s were all ecstatic over it.

No. 932204

Maybe he's mad he has to sleep on chicken piss bed for Valentine's day

No. 932205


I genuinely dont know who has it worse, Jared for having Holly or Holly for having Jared. I'm constantly flip flopping

Also he is really, REALLY trying with this Lady Pelvic, huh? It screams of "hey small sexy up and comer I'm a YouTube star I can make you famous baby"

No. 932209


Yea but shouting her out in a stream (that she was in the chat of, probably making him feel obligated) is pretty different from how fucking far she stuck her neck out for him and defended him online. The best she has gotten is what, a couple mentions/cameos in streams and a few liked tweets?

No. 932210


How surprising, she is possibly and very likely posting someone else's art without crediting them. Shocking!

No. 932224

File: 1581721399856.jpg (444.13 KB, 1080x1523, 20200214_180327.jpg)


Confirmed not her own art. She wasn't even the one to credit the original artist

No. 932225


It looks like she did buy it, her picture looks like a picture of paper/canvas. But she should still credit the artist IMO

No. 932230

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Spot the difference

No. 932233

holy shit anon you win the thread

No. 932234


Pussyeyes Conrad, who smells like chicken piss and rooster shit: what a catch

No. 932235


This is great. I'm still wondering what the hell that dark line is right under her nose though.

No. 932247

File: 1581723803266.jpg (237.41 KB, 677x921, nn7jo.jpg)


>Do you think when Jared ghosts her now a days she still blames Heidi even though they are separated?

Reminds me of this meme …

No. 932248


>Meanwhile, Holly is liking posts about Jameela Jamil's boyfriend publicly standing up for her, which is something Jared never did for her.

Oh she's definitely trying to give Jared a nudge

No. 932249

That's some mega cringy shit right there.

Eh, for someone who thinks she's an expert on all things birds (Jared, for example), she should have known better.

No. 932250


> Has affair with married man for months

> Blames his lack of interest on his wife

> Finally they break up

> Still ignored

No. 932251

Apparently she has a mustache? Whoever edited this picture is not her friend

No. 932252


Which makes it all the more hilarious that despite how absent he is on Twitter he still retweeted that Pelvic woman's video ON VALENTINE'S DAY

No. 932253


Honestly Heidi's stream is a goldmine of cringe when it comes to Holly and Jared's OBSESSION with DCA and Striath. Literally was the origin of their relationship, which makes it all the tastier that it was cancelled

No. 932255


She looks like such a different person than from the Game Grumps days jesus christ. I dont know what messed up her style more, the drama or fucking Strix

No. 932271


This is actually a cow crossover, because I used Shayna's vagina for the edit.

No. 932352

I hate that I recognized that dried out cooch

No. 932471

Arin is the same way.
It's why he ditched animating for Let's Plays, why he brought on JonTron for GGrumps, because he needed someone with an actual personality.
Who was then quickly replaced by again, someone with a personality, Danny Sexbang.

Then whiteknighting for the popular but trendy (which will die out within the next year or so) storytime animation community against Sr.Pelo, only for that to backfire and come out with a non-apology statement and sweep it under the rug.

No. 932495

Didn't she never even send it?

No. 932498


Nah apparently he therapist said it was a bad idea to send it to Heidi. Granted we do not know all the lies she told her therapist about Heidi or her and Jared's affair

No. 932500


Supposedly she was so groveling and self-deprecating in the letter that the therapist said that it was unhealthy. So instead of over-apologizing, she under-apologized and sent nothing, then got mad that Heidi didn't spontaneously come to HER with forgiveness anyway.

Literally all took place within her own mind.

No. 932512


I'm sure it was all suicide bait, like what she apparently sent to Creepshow

No. 932514


>she under-apologized

B-b-but Anon! She sent Heidi a mug with no note or anything to identify who sent it! It was so vague that the man she was apologizing for having an affair with had to explain to Heidi what it was, proving even more how they were still talking behind her back. That evil slut should have appreciated such a wonderful apology

No. 932518

Sage for no real contribution but wow, Heidi is really pretty and actually makes really cute crafts.
Hilarious that Jared left her for a butthole-eyed, bird-piss smelling hoe that tries to sell scribbles and 'mental health advice'

No. 932521

Holly won't leave Seattle, that's where all her enablers like Bluejay and Kayla live.

No. 932525


Now that I think about it it was pretty fucked up for Jared to move Heidi across the country and away from her friends and then just leave her

No. 932527

Her hometown is full of violent crime, so is Los Angeles.
I am sure Jared (probably) gave Heidi the choice of where to move to and she chose to stay in Seattle. It's definitely safer there.

No. 932528


Isn't Seattle where WoTC is? Or, atleast the other DCA hosts. I figured it was that + their house flooding that caused them to move

No. 932530

WOTC but also apparently most of the NormalBoots crew also resided in the area, which was supposedly Jared's original motivation for the move at the time, getting closer to his NB crew.

No. 932531


So Heidi moved to LA for him then again to Seattle only for his mistress to crazily follow them and for him to leave her and kick her out

No. 932548


Not to mention the sheer logistics in trying to move 50+ pigeons, 10+ chickens and a cat, especially if she has to try and take them across state lines/on an airline. I mean, I guess it'd be feasible if she dropped them on some already overburdened animal rescue, but then she'd truly have no personality to hang her hat on if she gives up the uwu bird lady persona.


Safer compared to LA - but I don't think it boils down to safety. Jared was the primary breadwinner and from the sounds of things, tightly controlled finances. First and last months rent, plus at least one rental truck (or even more if you hire movers) makes moving back home cost prohibitive to Heidi right now.


That might very well have been part of his motivation (though like all good abusers, I'm sure he loved the idea of getting Heidi away from people who might try to rescue her from the shitty relationship).


Heidi might not have minded moving to LA since there is a larger cosplay scene there - but the move to Seattle was DEFINITELY for Jared to pursue WoTC and/or DCA. Hoelly moved there right when Heidi alleges that the affair really gained traction, so she can pitch the "I moved for DCA too!" line all she wants; the timing is way too coincidental.

No. 932550

>Not to mention the sheer logistics in trying to move 50+ pigeons, 10+ chickens and a cat, especially if she has to try and take them across state lines/on an airline.
Miss Moneybags already pulled it off when she shuffled that coop from LA to Seattle.

No. 932551


True enough - I forgot that she had the pigeons prior to moving to seattle. I don't know LA's laws involving the chickens, though.

No. 932558

Holly just deleted the butthole eyes pic from her Instagram. Once again confirmed for lurking lolcow

No. 932569


Yeah but that was before she killed her career

No. 932572

She's probably still got plenty left in her inheritance to finance a move elsewhere.

No. 932578


Heidi even mentioned in a recent stream (linked upthread/last thread) that she felt like she couldn't attend local events like ren fairs and cons because shes scared she will see them there which is so fucking sad. He moves her away from her friends and support and then makes her feel invalid in her own hobby spaces where he left her

No. 932579

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Someone on PULL pointed this out. More proof that she just flagrantly copies other people.

No. 932582

First the Sovrin post, now this? Imagine how much we aren't catching that she's getting away with stealing

No. 932586


I'm pretty damn sure she stole the mushroom forest walk UwU stuff from Heidi as well. Maybe to make Jared love her more

No. 932596


I'm just waiting for her to start screeching about it being "fair use!!", even though when that one person redesigned her shitty t-shirt, Hoelly immediately had it struck by copyright violation.

No. 932625

Of course she is. I fully expect more tweets about us and a whiteknight (Holly) to post here soon too.

She should just go honestly. Giving them that much power over her after all they've done to her is silly.

No. 932627

Heidi is just fine where she is, she said in a stream recently she’s happy she’s about 30 minutes from her moms house so she can drop off Aries if she needs to leave for a few days for a con or something. If anything hoely and jiblet will be salty because they can’t get to her and their support circle has dwindled down exponentially since shit went down.

No. 932628

Does this dumb bitch think people don't have eyes? She even follows the artist she is clearly copying from.

No. 932630

She gives no fucks because she knows she'll get away with it like she does everything else

No. 932646


It's like she sees other people's art and thinks "oh I like that! I'm going to do exactly that!" Instead of just being inspired and admiring

No. 932650

Butthole eyes can copy whatever she wants, but you know if someone copied her, she would be playing the victim and reeeeing about it to all her followers

No. 932712


She doesn't want anyone 'profiting off' her, but she can profit off anyone she wants, because she had a bad childhood or whatever other excuse comes to mind.

No. 932846

What suicide bait did she send to creep show?

No. 932858

Creepshow revealed in a stream she took down the Holly video because Holly told her it was making her cut herself.

No. 932860


That's sort of misinformation. Holly and Creepshow exchanged some public tweets (archived in a previous thread) in which Holly asks to have the videos taken down and Creepshow agrees.

Later, in one of her Rewired Soul videos, Creepshow mentions/shows a private message exchange with Rewired where he uses "Holly hurting herself" as an example to try to bait and manipulate Creepshow. She seems concerned that the hypothetical example might be real, but it's not confirmed. Here is the video, and the screenshot is visible in the background through most of it.

Not defending Holly because she's publicly admitted to emotionally self-harming by seeking out hate comments. But anyway, here's the source.

No. 932900

Thanks for explaining this anon. I wish Creepshow would have kept her videos about Holly up, but now I understand why she didn't. Can you imagine having to deal with Holly Conrad AND The Rewired Soul?

No. 932922

Does anyone know what the "16th century esoteric manuscript" Holly's evil hand design is supposedly based on? Just curious if it really is copied from that, or if she's just blatantly taking someone else's art.

No. 932925


Personally, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth that she didn't say. Who knows if she a.) thinks of it as her own personal Thing, b.) doesn't want to be accused of cultural appropriation, c.) made it up, or what. Not about to cowtip over it, but wish I knew. It must be esoteric indeed if it's a manuscript with a seeing hand in the context of European witchcraft (i.e. Holly's "aesthetic.")

Since people have a hair trigger in this thread: I'm not accusing Euro witchcraft of being an aesthetic, I'm accusing Holly of not being a sincere believer.

No. 932929

Anons are really harping on drawing inspiration from other artists now.

The milk must be very sour.

No. 932931

It's a little more egregious than just drawing inspiration from another artist. She took an existing design from a commercial product, added a few details to it, and then slapped it on her OWN commercial product. If there really isn't an "esoteric manuscript" then she's making money off of someone else's design.

No. 932932

The image seems like it's based on other depictions of Pieter van der Heyden's Hand of Glory, a 16th Century Flemish print maker.

Searching google for it brings up a lot of similar images to Holly's but it looks like she used that then tossed some more Witchy things on it.

No. 932936

I can see that being an inspiration.

I googled the original leggings from Sovrin and it turns out those were based on Tenome from Japanese 18th century lore. They're some sort of monster with eyes on their hands.

So she definitely didn't come up with her own design. She copied it from Sovrin and added some chicken feet.

No. 932966

File: 1581916703095.jpg (284.69 KB, 680x1483, holly made this.jpg)

>dRaWiNg iNsPiRaTiOn
it's straight up copying anon. do you remember when someone made a parody of holly's fugly ass "Cancelled" teeshirt and holly got it reported and taken down asap? do you remember all the times she and wormdick wept on twitter about people "capitalizing and making money out of their suffering"?
not to mention as other anons have pointed out that since this kinda stuff is simply an aesthetic for holly that she can creep in like a skin and molt out of when convenient, it just adds another layer of scum to her behavior. but it's just holly being holly, what else is new, i guess?

No. 932970

moving on from week old milk though, did anyone catch her spooky saturday stream?

(sorry for samefag)

No. 932975

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I mean really. Last I checked, art theft was a huge deal. Both independent artisans and huge corporations get a ton of shit when they're caught lifting designs. It's hard to support oneself as an artist, and they deserve to have their IP respected. If that's hard to understand, imagine your coworker getting paid for your hours instead of you.

No. 932978

If she is going to slim her face out and filter into oblivion why doesn't she edit those atrocious brows?

Anyone watch the show she is talking about being on? Wondering if she plays a hobo trash vampire?

No. 932982

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i don't watch it, but i remembered her sharing artwork for the show waayyy back when
i'm going to give you one guess for which character holly might be playing

No. 932984

Imagine being a homewrecker just to not be with that person in the end. Goodjob Holly

No. 932986


pretty sure that "parody" shirt got reported and taken down because they hadn't changed any of the art at all, just slapped a different word on it. And the art is the defining thing here.

No. 932988

It would be pretty funny if someone came along and made parody shirts by just slightly modifying her art so she couldn't get upset about it. I think I could probably make that mushroom design on photoshop in a day.

No. 932995

Dude she showed up to her professional photoshoot with those things. She clearly thinks they're perfectly fine.

No. 932997


you got too much free time, anon.

No. 933000

that's the whole point. it got taken down because doing this stuff is stealing IP, so clearly this concept is not completely lost on the trash bitch. she's stealing art on purpose and passing it off as "uwu i got inspired and made the exact same thing"
maybe try to measure yourself with the same yardstick as you do the world, holly

No. 933004

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Kek. >>932978 Almost called it. She's a hobo trash werewolf.

No. 933011


The insecurity oozes off of this. It's like DCA pictures all over again but without her goofy picture pose and strix makeup

No. 933015

>I'm accusing Holly of not being a sincere believer.
She already showed us she just wears their faith as a costume when she stole that Irish grimoire.

No. 933029

Just replace the shrooms with more dong-like shrooms and… I dunno, I guess replacing the eyes with labia-like forms is also topical?

No. 933049

I always assumed she got her eyebrows tattooed on when she was younger. She knows they look like shit but there's nothing she can do. I refuse to believe she's been choosing to draw them like that for the last decade

No. 933071


Is she capable of making a character that isnt just a "trash x" quirky wacky so RaNdOM

No. 933072

It makes me wonder what her Shepard self insert was like when she was into Mass Effect. Is the lolrandum trash creature her permanent go-to coping strategy or is it a more recent phenomenon?

No. 933076


I think its less that she has always made her characters like that and more that she just really misses Strix and wants to recapture that magic (God knows why, Strix dragged DCA down)

No. 933078

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Nah, she's always played as a version of Strix

No. 933079


So Strix AND Diath are both of their childhood self-inserts? Fucking LOL, makes it better that they ruined their show.

Also explains what Heidi said in her tell-all stream that Holly would constantly tell Jared she wish she met him in high school and all that bullshit. Also, looking back, she was basically saying "I wish I met you before Ross" which is pretty fucked up

No. 933107

>"Also, looking back, she was basically saying "I wish I met you before Ross" which is pretty fucked up"

As much as we hate hoelly, no; This literally just means she wishes she met him at that point in her life, Ross or not. It's like you saying you wish you met your love interest/partner at a younger age/when you were more into/just getting into xyz hobby, it has nothing to do with your current/past partner.

No. 933129


Is this true? Because if it is, that would make it hilarious considering Holly & Jared's WKs consistently taunted Heidi by calling her a 'spinster' & forever alone & trying to twist the knife by elaborating how she "goes to bed alone at night while Jared & Holly have each other" & are always gushing about the 'triumph' of irl-Striath.

Also funny how Holly preaches about how 'mistress' & 'homewrecker' are SO abhorrently sexist, yet her stans love calling Heidi a bitter spinster, or a 'typical' single cat-lady, etc…

No. 933150


is this on the reddit? cause even i haven't seen the stans call her spinster. they are too busy yelling about the women she has slept with or in the case of one anon here the black dicks she gets.

No. 933172

Nta but I’ve seen Kiwifarms posters claim that she only called off the poly because she wasn’t getting any action and Jared was. This was in between calling her a whore, of course.

No. 933183


if anything it is exactly the opposite. There is only one other person besides Holly that has been confirmed had sex with Jared while their poly lasted - the uno girl, which Heidi confirmed is a real story. No other fans or women came forward even at the height of the story when Heidi was asking for information for cheating and so on. While we know from Heidi's own admissions that she has had sexual relationships with multiple women and her poly SO. And before you say "IT WAS PLATONIC", go read what the definition of platonic is and then read again what the text between Heidi and Jared said when Heidi was together with her SO at a convention and Jared was not.

We don't even know if the poly was really called off or when. She called off Holly, that's obvious; but she allowed Jared to go have sex with uno girl again in March 2018.

No. 933197

damn even the filters cant fix her haggard face anymore

No. 933212

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Blowing off her streaming schedule yet again, what a surprise

No. 933216

1. Will Jared go with her
2. How can she afford to take all this time off
3. Is this a breakdown from seeing the pussyeyes shop lol

No. 933224

I sincerely hope she isn't trying to run into Heidi or something…

No. 933233

Yeah the livestream forest walk thing is something I wouldn't recommend.
Sure Seattle isn't a hotspot for gang violence like their previous residence Los Angeles, but it still has it's fair share of psychos. Like Jared, Hoelly and of course OnionBoy is around the block too.

No. 933250


>"How can she afford to take all this time off"

Because she's still living off of Grandpappy's inheritance. Something tells me that even during her hay-day, Hoelly wasn't exactly raking in the cash.

No. 933253

what the hell is going on? is she gonna try and off herself?

No. 933255

I'd say she's finally taking a break from social media, but you know she's gonna stay 'connected' the entire time.

No. 933259

Definitely not disconnecting since she says she'll be posting pics to her Instagram.

No. 933303


If going into a mental hospital didn't get her away from social media, I doubt a jaunt through the woods would do the trick.

No. 933316


Pretty sure she knows where Heidi lives, if she wanted to run into her there would be easier ways than walking in the forests around Seattle…

No. 933323

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Jared tweeted this a bit before Holly tweeted that she'd be going camping. Maybe they did go together? Although he says he'll be back wednesday and Holly says she'll be back later in the week.

No. 933338

She's already posting Instagram stories and following new accounts. Cause you sit on your phone and scroll IG when you camp, right? As much as she pretends to be soooo in touch with nature, she only uses it as an aesthetic like everything else.

I bet Holly dragged him out there by saying she'd pay for the trip. I can't see Jared as someone who enjoys camping. Holly saying "later in the week" also gives her an excuse not to stream for longer, which is what I think this trip was for to begin with

No. 933353


One can go camping and still share few photos, dude. In fact, most people do.

No. 933357


not anon but people are bringing up the social media thing because she's been asked many times to disconnect. especially after she said she uses social media for self harm. this is the perfect time for her to work on her mental health like she always talks about but she's not going to do that. she's gonna do nothing to fix her issues and then come back and blame social media for all her problems and failures. nothing wrong with taking a few pics while camping but thats not what people are talking about here

No. 933369

yeah I think it's so much more against the grain of her UWU NATURE WITCH LIFE, THE BIRBS shit that it seems not only ingenuine, but hypocritical of her. she seems to do most things, down to hobbies and aesthetics, for clout. a ramona flowers skinwalker, stinking of bird shit, fucking other people's husbands.

No. 933375


Honestly I think her new "forest hikes and camping and the woods is magic uWU" thing is her trying to emulate Heidi, who has always been a forest dweller. Pretending to be your boyfriends exwife wont make him love you, Hoelly

No. 933376


Here is her mindset: well Strix would do and like these things so I do!

You are NOT Strix, Holly. Jared is NOT Diath.

No. 933379


For someone who complains alot about how much the drama impacted her income she sure doesn't want to work. Does she think she just deserve patrons and donations for existing?

Also, I feel bad for the poor son of a bitch who has to watch those birds

No. 933398


you mean Heidi cosplays forest dwellers.

No. 933424


>"I can't see Jared as someone who enjoys camping"

I can't see either one - Jared OR Holly - being the camping type. There's bugs and dirt, and typically not internet reception to get that constant validation from your stans.

No. 933429

I think she's running out of hobbies and communities to capitalize off of. She's been shunned from cosplay and now DnD, so she's forced to profit off of nature and mushrooms. Which means more poorly drawn mushroom artwork and tshirts. Every space she joins, she focuses on how she can find a way to take and take and take from it until she's forced out

No. 933443


are you projecting a bit, anon? Holly is after all taking care of dozens of birds, cat and chickens. I doubt she is stranger to bugs, dirt or generally nature. And obviously they still have reception if she is uploading IG stories. I think "camping" is being mistaken here for "going off the grid" without that necessarily being the case.

No. 933446

Anon, she lets chickens piss and shit around her house and bed, I don't think bugs and dirt are going to make a difference to that nasty hagraven.

No. 933466


Taking care of dozens of birds, cats, and chickens when you know the nearest vet is a MAYBE 10 minute drive and where you could probably uber to the pet supply store is a lot different than being in the middle of the fucking woods, Anon.

>"I think 'camping' is being mistaken here for 'going off the grid'"

Because when 99% of people go camping, they mean in tents where they do outdoor activities - not spend most of their time updating their followers on facebook/twitter via their cell phones.

No. 933467

Hate to say it but they’re probably just trying to rekindle their walk in the woods love confession energy.

No. 933477

February 2018 = Confession of their feelings
February 2019 = Jared breaks up with Heidi (while he was dating Holly)
February 2020 = Anniversary

No. 933488

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Camping selfie

No. 933495


Looks like it was taken outside a Starbucks

No. 933498


God even filters can’t help her face

No. 933500


See? This is what I mean. Most people that go camping don't stop off for a morning Starbucks with their ultra "look at my scarf! LOL I LOVE camping!" selfies.

No. 933511

unsurprising that she got herps from propeenhead

No. 933514


As disgusting as I think Hoelly is, it might be toeing that line of "blatant slander" if you start spreading shit of her having herpes.

No. 933521

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not that anon but that's definitely a cold sore. girl has herpes

No. 933523

65% of Americans have HSV-1 anon, this is not an unusual thing.

No. 933525

At least her hair and eyebrows look better.

No. 933528

never seen her with a herp lip before so you're probably right

No. 933550


Holy shit you're right anon!

It is their anniversary.

No. 933556

Slander doesn't mean anything on here, anon.

This is a very decent guess for herp lip Hoelly.

No. 933574

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not a hoelly wk (and agree that slander don’t mean shit here) but it doesn’t look like herpes to me, herpes is usually like pretty well defined blister that you can see from a mile away like op posted.

i have dry skin and also a terrible shameful habbit of picking at the skin on my lips/chewing on my lips (which only ever gets 10x worse during winter and being outdoors) and that’s what that looks like to me. that looks exactly like she ripped off a little piece of skin right there, because that always ends up looking like little specks of red, like pic related

No. 933575

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plus you can see her lips and nose are a bit crusty/flaky even through the filter, so I would bet money that’s what it is

(again not defending her because it’s still a disgusting bad habit. but it’s not an uncommon anxiety uwu response either)

No. 933597

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the usual pics of cold sores are always exaggerated but when going through the stages of healing they look like what holly has. it doesnt help she filters the shit out of her pictures.

true but it's still funny because holly and society deems it as a scarlet letter of sorts and shames people for it nonetheless. it's even funnier because everybody treats heidi like the homewrecker but she doesnt have herpes kek

No. 933692

Can’t wait for holly to see this and watch her baww on twitter about the internet saying she has the herpaderp

No. 933705

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But I thought Holly was a pure innocent asexual birb mom?

No. 933713

Looking at a lot of her older facebook posts (2009 & onward), she posted about getting drunk a LOT.

No. 933714


Light colored hair suits her much better imo

(But that wouldn't be witchy/Strix like so it's a No Go)

No. 933725


why is asexual implying innocent? she was married ffs and also with people that partied a lot. Also in 2009 she was mid 20s and probably still in university, why wouldn't she party and get drunk? LOL

No. 933729

Not to mention that having cold sores implies literally nothing. It's not the same as genital herpes and you can get it from just like drinking from the same cup as someone who gets them and other completely innocent shit like that. Having hsv 1 is incredibly common and it's not milky at all.

No. 933737


Yeah. Seems like she's trying desperately to 'go goth' but lighter, pastel colors just seem to work way better for her looks-wise imo.

This whole 'dark artist' look just… doesn't compliment any of her better features & she just looks like she's sick all the time (in a 'gross' way, not in the 'edgy & deep' way)

No. 933770

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disgusting lip-chan here, nah that still doesn’t look anything like even a healing one. even healing ones have the more oval blistery shape, and they keep that shape all through healing, that’s just a tiny speck and it’s still within her lip line, not spreading to the skin around her lips

dude trust me that’s skin picking, not herp. it still happens on the edges of the lips like that because if you’re pulling on lip skin it will end right at the barrier where your lip and face skin ends (ie picking lips never extends to the face skin) like bottom pic related. that’s why there’s that clear red line of irritation and the bottom edges of her lips as well

probably just from cold weather though, it’s a viscous cycle during winter of
>oh no my lips are dry and flaky
>pick flakes off
>oh no that made it worse and more flaky
>pick flakes off
>oh no that

again not trying to wk, i’ve just had the issue my whole life and i know it when i see it

No. 933772

>where your lip and face skin ends
where your lip skin ends and face skin begins* is what i meant, sry

No. 933780


When did she start dying her hair dark? I'm pretty sure she still had light hair early DCA

No. 933843

She slept with Jared. Enough said.

No. 933851


well does that mean Heidi has herpes too?

No. 933860

Possibly, but Holly wks definitely have her herp from sucking her asshole every thread.

No. 933882

She tweeted an hour ago "Finally Home after a nice camping trip" but she literally went to Starbucks during it so how much of a nature retreat was it truly?

Jared also began streaming an hour ago after being away a few days. That plus pictures on Holly's insta story of her that she couldn't have taken herself has me convinced that they went together. Anniversary trip seems likely

No. 933885

Gatekeeping what is and isn't nature. Nice.

There's a coffee shop in West Yellowstone National park. You could get coffee there and carry it a few blocks into the park. Does that mean Yellowstone isn't nature?

No. 933887


Most people in Yellowstone don't spend their quality "time in nature" updating their insta followers.

You might stop and get coffee (I'd encourage it at this time of year, considering how fucking cold it gets in the mountains), but your first instinct probably wouldn't be to take a snapchat selfie for your followers.

No. 933891

Since you asked anon, when I go on a trip I will often spend the end of the day, my down time, uploading photos I took that day and chatting with folx. Most natural places don't have much to do after dark.(nobody cares)

No. 933918

Yall that’s clearly not herpes, this is getting beyond tinfoil territory if you’re now accusing heidi and jared (and by extension ross) of having herpes too based on nothing

I mean, it’s entirely possible she does have it considering how common it is but that’s definitely not what that is in that pic and there’s no reason to assume heidi has it at all

stop tinfoiling and get back to the real milk

No. 933931


Nevermind that she's more likely to catch the bubonic plague with how unsanitary she is with her birds, especially the pigeons. If she did have herpes, it's honestly the least of her problems.

No. 933939

I'm starting to think that the reason why Holly's lips look so bad is probably because her birds may be pecking at her lips. I mean this is the same woman that snuggling chickens even though there a high chance of catching diseases, so I wouldn't put it passed her that she'll try "kissing" her birds only to have them peck at her.

No. 933997

I really hate the "Jared took his ring off during streams, so they were separated" logic Holly uses. If wearing a ring is an indication that someone's in a relationship, then Holly and Ross 'separated' way back in late 2016. Both of them stopped wearing their wedding rings in 2017. She was with Ross for another year+ while not wearing a ring, so is she going to tell us they were actually divorced all that time they were still married and living together?

No. 934001

It's different when Holly does it, anon. That's been a recurring theme all through this drama.

No. 934007

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do you also do this anon
>i KNOW i shouldn't be online but got dang those sweet sweet twitter likes

No. 934013

you can't be anymore obvious with that tumblr speak

gatekeeping? yellowstone is a tourist destination of course it'll have a coffee place and probably a gift shop, but our uwu speshul garbage witch portrays herself to be in touch with nature that doesnt have gift shops.
it's hypocritical to say you're going camping and ending up at a starbucks. literally the opposite of the whole "camping experience".

No. 934033

Why doesn't she wear makeup? She really doesn't try at all

No. 934034


I can't really fault her for not wearing makeup - but when she purposefully chooses a style that makes her look frumpy 90% of the time and then pulls the "Society favors the pretty girls!" card? Like, fam, you did this to yourself.

No. 934059

if she would stop shaving the first third of her eyebrows and filling them in with sharpie, she would look fine. she goes out of her way to look homely as fuck.

No. 934077

What a dumb nitpick. She has many flaws but not wearing makeup ain't one of them.

No. 934078


sis, you've let patriarchy brainwash you. LOL

No. 934089

When she does wear makeup she ends up looking like an unsupervised little kid who got into the orange fingerpaint so going barefaced is probably the better option here.

No. 934091


He probably took off his ring during streams because he knew Holly would be crazily stalking them

No. 934094


Makes sense, he probably would wear his ring around Heidi and tell her he wanted to fix things then go on stream where he knew Holly would be watching and take it off so that his narrative to her that Striath was endgame and that she was infact his true love uWu wouldn't be damaged

Also, were these the same streams he told Unogirl about that he would look at fans' nudes to get hard on camera during? Feel like a lot of people skip over how completely wrong and gross that is

No. 934096

From what I saw of the Femshep contest, it was just a very generic brunette Shepard with a larger nose than the rest. She was annoyed tha the 'popular blonde' one won, but to be fair her character was the most boring of the group.

No. 934109

There's no reason for her to need to wear makeup, nobody has to. But she should at least wash her hair after playing around in pigeon shit all day. She looks like she never washes in that pic.

No. 934201

They all looked the same. Holly self inserted into the edgier bad hair FemShep she was her.

No. 934204

She said on a stream that she doesn’t wear a lot of makeup because she isn’t good at it and doesn’t really like wearing too much of it. Also, that she stopped reading lolcow because of the eyebrow comments but who knows if that’s really true.

No. 934206

I thought she played the gangrel too but apparently it’s the character all the way on the right of this pic (I think a tremere?). Sorry I’m a VTM nerd but yeah.

No. 934209

So out of all the things written here it’s the eyebrow comments that’s got to her the most? Seriously?

No. 934237

Right? And this was on one of her Alchemy Story streams (I’d link and timestamp but there’s so many commercials on each stream and I can’t sit through that shit again) so it’s about a month-ish ago. Also every stream she repeats the same things over and over again-about Trump being a bully, hating bullies, being attacked online, oh and someday she might write a book about her experience with the “haters.”

No. 934241

There's no milk whatsoever in her not wearing much makeup. It's her face and her choice. It is slightly unusual for a former professional cosplayer to not be comfortable with it though. It's a big part of the job. Like a chemist not knowing the periodic table. Really the only funny/sad part is her even giving a damn if we approve of her or not.

No. 934251

Oh I absolutely agree, I just thought it was worth noting that she supposedly quit reading hate forums just because of specific talks of her makeup and brows.

No. 934253


If that "book" is more than one chapter long, and that chapter consists of anything other than "Holly = good, Heidi = bad, haters = unfair", I will be laid out with shock.


I don't buy that she quit reading. I think anytime the attention around her drops (or her and Jared argue/he ghosts her), she comes looking at lolcow so she can pretend she's still relevant.

No. 934269

She's claimed to quit reading dozens of times before but never does. She deleted the butthole eyes photo from her Instagram right after the photoshop was posted, so she's still currently lurking

No. 934299

ladies why are we calling it "butthole eyes" when it CLEARLY should be Labia Lashes

No. 934441

Was the farm Holly tweeted about visiting today where she went to drop off her rooster? I hope so, for her neighbors' sakes

No. 934443


Labia Lids

No. 934490

Good ol' Hoelly "Labia lids" Conrad and Jared "Wormdick" Knobenbauer. It's perfect anon.

No. 934509


>streams he told Unogirl about that he would look at fans' nudes to get hard on camera during?

>Feel like a lot of people skip over how completely wrong and gross that is

Same anon.

No. 934512

the character all the way on the right seems to be played by the lideejaah lady. did you watch this show though, are they any good? i was wondering how good the other characters are, it looks like an interesting setup

i wonder how a bird who's used to free-roaming indoors is going to adjust to farm life. i know they're not people, but it's gotta have some effect on the poor critter? "uwu i can't shit on the ground, i need a complete bed and pillow set"

No. 934584


If you're talking about the Rooster, it will probably be fine since Hoelly didn't really own it long enough for it to get too accustomed to being a house pet. I just think she was fucking stupid for getting a rooster in the first place, especially since someone who has a history of owning farm animals in city limits is going to be well aware of what the laws are (which means she'd have KNOWN that it was illegal to own the rooster in a residential area)

No. 934642


B-b-but statistics! Only people 18+ watch his streams, guys, who cares if he is getting off being hard and sexting fans during them uwu

No. 934643


He did WHAT? any sources?? That's fucked up

No. 934662

nta but you will find it in the first couple of the projared-holly threads. unogirl claimed it in her first reddit post. it had gems like:
>jared looked at fan nudes while streaming
>jared stood naked in his windows waiting to get spotted
>jared ejaculated prematurely in a threesome once

the source is unogirl kek but at that time she was super salty at jared having ghosted her and then being outed as a cheater, so there's little reason to doubt the truth of it

No. 934664


It wasn’t uno girl. It was another anonymous reddit accuser who claimed to be 15 at the time of their interactions with Jared. They also claimed to have reported him to the DOJ but nothing ever came of that. People seem to forget that one, but people also confuse chai and charlie so pjthowaway23(uno girl)vs projburneraccount(the alleged 15 year old) is even more confusing.
All uno girl talked about was sending nudes back and forth and going to a couple cons to hook up with him after which he ghosted her.
I’d link to the posts but with the original projared subreddit being privated it renders both posts inaccessible though I’m sure there’s an archive somewhere.

Regardless if this was something he did it doesn’t surprise me with his constant send nudes “jokes” on tumblr.

No. 934665

samefag - sorry - found the post >>805220
it wasn't unogirl, it was the person who claimed they were 15 year old and had contacted the DOJ regarding jared and then vanished off of reddit. so maybe take it with a grain of salt? it WOULD be funny as fuck though if it wasn't so completely vomit-inducing.

No. 934668

you're right. there's so many anonymous confessions against jared that i get confused, and yet his fanboys are way too quick to dismiss them. i'd say the sheer number of accusations should make one seriously consider the possibility, at the very least.

>if this was something he did it doesn’t surprise me

it doesn't seem far-fetched to me either, all of his actions are basically the same predatory tendencies manifesting in different shapes. i remember two girls posting about how he sent them nudes after they refused wanting any, clearly this is not a boundary this man respects

No. 934672

same girls said they were catfishing him though so likely just more attention whoring

No. 934674

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Labia Lids is using other people's mental health posts to complain about her week long anxiety. I'm surprised the twitter free, projared anniversary camping trip wasn't relaxing. Imagine her anxiety if she had normal stress like working a full time job

No. 934682


I hate this kind of one-upmanship. "you're having a bad day well I'm having a bad WEEK"

No. 934704


Have panic attacks - and it is debilitating, but Hoelly using it as a "You can't be mean to me - I have anxiety!" bit drives me up the fucking wall.

You don't have anxiety, you dumb sow - What you're feeling is GUILT, not anxiety.

No. 934795

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Oh she’s definitely still reading lolcow. “Waaa waaa my appeawance and my labia eyelids”

No. 934799


Kinda like calling someone "abusive" or "unfixable" to justify your sociopathic ass moving across the country to fuck their husband.

No. 934813

Maybe dwelling on your lolcow page is unhealty? I've never seen a cow reeeee about haters and bullies like she does

No. 934816

How tf you gonna destroy a marriage, try to justify it by calling the wife "unfixable" then tell others to be kind.
Lmao quit projecting your faults onto other people, Holly. Maybe ask yourself why you're getting talked about this way instead of saying "uwu im mentally ill so nothing is ever my fault pwease don't hold me accountable #bekind"
From one mentally ill person to another, own up to your bullshit.

No. 934819


she's the most fucking bojack horseman person I've met, except a fictional cartoon horse has more character and redeeming qualities than she has, honestly

I need you to tell me that I'm a good person. I know that I can be selfish and narcissistic and self-destructive, but underneath all that, deep down, I'm a good person, and I need you to tell me that I'm good. Twitter? Tell me, please, Twitter. Tell me that I'm good.

No. 934821

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She's still going

No. 934833

eat shit holly, lol

No. 934834

real power comes from manning up and admitting fault but what would you know, hoelly

No. 934842

Fuck's sake, she's so disingenuous she might as well replace that hashtag with #bebest.

No. 934844

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this is bullying you guys

No. 934845

Pathetic. It's like reading the blog of a 15 year old trying desperately to mimic viral twitter posts, except she's not 15, she's 33. This is some fuckin high-intensity cringe.

No. 934847

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No. 934852

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No. 934855

"let me publicly shame anyone who says anything bad about me on my large platform and send my fans after them" Holly you are the bully

No. 934861

I wouldn't call it public shaming per se. Just a brat trying to signal how innocent and victimized she is by an internet troll. Like, sure, trolls can be destructive, but throwing so much attention at someone like this changes nothing. He's not out for a conversation, Holly. Ignore him or you know, block out that shit.

"Why are you doing this to me?" just emphasizes how pathetic you are and how you never take responsibility for your own actions.

No. 934871


Like dude I just stalked your Twitter and I dont understand how you dont love me uwu

No. 934872

She started ranting on twitter at fucking 9am. She really needs a job, any job, that keeps her busy and off the internet.


Ugh he would support her

No. 934879


She's been living off her grandfather's wealth her entire life. Getting even a part time job to keep busy is beneath her, in her eyes.

No. 934887


Every time I read stuff like this from Holly, I can only be so much happier to see Ross thriving without her and living with a girl that actually loves him.

No. 934895

Fuck's sake, STOP ENGAGING with these people Holly!
You can't 'win over' everyone just because you've shamed a couple people into retracting their previous statements about you.

No. 934896

Jared is stuck with this person until the appropriate amount of time has passed and he can slither away without looking like the bad guy. Seems like the absolute best revenge for Heidi and Ross.

No. 934897

Her whole "be kind" thing is really reminiscent of Onision's "be human". "You can't criticize my toxic or abusive behaviors because it's bullying, BE KIND!" Holly, you are a grown woman, you can literally just log out of twitter.

No. 934912


Speaking of, I wonder what she thinks about Onision & his situation?

No. 934913


I'm sure she thinks he is evil and wrong, completely unable to draw the similarities between her situation and his own.

No. 934932

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Apparently she started following whoever runs that 'procancelled' blog on Tumblr…

No. 934936

I'm starting to wonder if she was alone at the camping trip, at least from the selfie she took, that's no pic taken by someone else, seeing as she's staring at the phone's screen and not the lens itself

maybe she went alone during anniversary days or something happened which is making her act out again? this has happened all over again in the past, holly turns into a sealion and starts following randos who obviously criticize her actions

No. 934937

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…Holly followed them on Twitter, I mean.
You would think that 'being out in nature' would make Holly feel better, but nope. I wonder what happened on her & Jared's little camping trip that's causing her to 'self-harm search'…

No. 934940


That could also be the case. Maybe she originally planned to go camping with him & he turned her down.
Maybe he's attempting a social media-blackout to avoid interacting with her?

No. 934943


It's my current theory, yes. She was meant to go, something happened (if he came) or something happened and he didn't go. She takes this cute cafe selfie because of course gotta look cute for ProBird, took some plant pics and called it quits earlier than suspected.

It would explain her apparent week-long anxiety… girl you are going on a camping trip, tf are you anxious about? it's literally the chance to separate yourself from social media and breathe in some fresh air and take in some nature.

It would explain her repeated pattern of answering to everyone who is sassy to her online, sealioning every tweet instead of just leaving it be. Because she keeps doing this to herself, and she admitted she does this as a form of self harm

It would explain why she suddenly followed an account on twitter that apparently hasn't mentioned them since the beginning of February. She did this more than once in the beginning.

No. 934945


Okay, so she's been on/off following/unfollowing this person since yesterday according to this post…


This must be why Holly chose Jared. He's too much of a coward to tell her to stop doing shit like this.

No. 934948


There were pictures of Holly taken by another person that she posted on her Instagram stories. She could have taken a friend on the trip, but I believe Jared went with her.

If I had to guess, I think she's lashing out because she was feeling depressed before the trip and expected that her time camping with Jared would magically fix all her mental issues. She was looking to feel like she did when they went on their first walk together and confessed their feelings.

But surprise, they're not Diath and Strix anymore. They're two regular people going camping. She's mad that all the special feelings she felt for Jared when their relationship was a secret is gone. She and Jared have a "normal" relationship now and it's not going to fix her problems. She's still depressed and sad and she's probably bitter she can't post pictures of Jared and her together.

Instead of looking at her own actions and choices, she blames the bullies for tainting her relationship. If only everyone would stop holding her accountable, maybe she could be happy again. It's not Holly's fault that she's unhappy, it's the people on tumblr or lolcow or twitter.

No. 934951


thank you anon! I had unfollowed her ages ago so I didn't see the stories. I guess he probably did go with her then, but something still happened that ruined her mood.

Yeah, not only do they not have a special relationship, it's barely normal. She is so protective of her ~personal life, as evident by those latest tweets, so I bet she's hypersensitive about it and it's hitting her where it hurts

I am also tinfoiling that her #bekind tweets are also subtweeting at jared, maybe he said or did something shitty so she's all uwu be kind, jared, look at how all my followers like and support that thought, you should too! etc

Like she would blatantly subtweet about his goddamn marriage and how much it depressed her and she'd get drunk over it. I would be so mortified if I was Jared and she starts emoposting online about my own marriage. I wouldn't put it past her to be passo aggresso to him too.

No. 934956

She keeps going on and on about sexism. In her mind, disliking/calling her out = sexism. She does realize a majority of us calling her out and disturbed by her behavior are female, right?

No. 934957

Or that her followers & WKs always go on to shit all over Heidi literally any time someone so much as hints to the past drama?

No. 934968


I don't even think she is super protective of her personal life. I think at this point she just has no choice because Jared doesn't want to engage with her publicly on social media. She would happily go back and forth with Ross on Twitter. Before this whole debacle she would @ Jared and have fun convos with him for all the world to see as well. She most likely got off on the attention of publicly showing off her relationships. Now Jared isn't interested in playing ball and showing her off so she is acting like she is protective and wants privacy.

No. 934970

They're probably already bored of each other, but are too afraid to admit it.

No. 934979

Jared most likely had no intention of having a real relationship with Holly anyway. He had/has a sex/porn addiction and saw her as means of getting something he wanted. He probably did want out of his marriage after finding out he no longer was allowed to sleep with and exchange photos with other people though. I don't think he left Heidi for Holly. I think he just wanted to fuck around and found someone who would let him when his mean, evil wife wouldn't. His hope was that he could slink out of his marriage painlessly and continue to use his fanbase for porn and possibly sex without anyone ever finding out. Once the cat was out of the bag and Holly publicly caped for him for months he was kind of trapped with her (but no free porn from his fans) lest he look even worse than he already does.

No. 934982


I think for a small point of time Jared truly was interested in Holly , or atleast Strix. Heidi said during her tellall stream that they were sexting, rping, and commissioning smut/porn of their DCA characters for MONTHS before they took their infamous walk

My guess is that Jared did have feelings for her, but once she started becoming OBSESSED with him (saying she only wanted to be with him and him with her, for example) he started to lose them. Then she was spamming him abuse articles and doing her best to make him hate his wife and divorced Ross to follow him across the country and he checked out, still stringing her along for easy sex and nudes but not reciprocating her intense feelings

No. 934989

Holly wasn't really unique in that case. He was exchanging porn and suggestive messages with plenty of people during that time. He had the most immediate and consistent access to her though. I'm sure he had interest in her as far as he wanted to have sex with her but who knows if he had any feelings of romance or just purely lust for her.

No. 934990

I don't know if he ever had "feelings" for her besides feeling horny. I think it was just a sex thing for him from the beginning. He was sexting and doing porn commissions with Holly because she was dumb enough to let him do it. Now he's stuck with her and I'm sure she can sense that things are different between them and that's what's making her even more miserable these days. Happy people in stable relationships don't post long, angry twitter rants at 9am.

No. 934993


yeah I mean if he ONLY sexted/slept with Holly I could maybe admit it could have been genuine feelings handled terribly but he was actively pursuing sexual content with fans, with holly, and of their RPing. While being married, too. Like he had his cake and ate it. His wife was saying ok to poly as long as she consented (the right way to do it), she was ok with the tumblr as long as it was consenting adults, and his channel was rising and he was roleplaying his highschool character on a very popular show with friends. Living the dream honestly. Until Holly wanted a bigger slice of that cake, and when Heidi said "this makes me uncomfortable", passive aggressively poisoned the lake over months and months until the whole thing crumbled, because she thought she was "saving him"

like honestly the chai/charlie drama is separate from this situation and would have had its own trajectory regardless of the drama that occurred. It only gained notoriety because of the dramatic crescendo from the NSFW snaps, Holly going apeshit, etc. On its own it probably would have faded to relative obscurity.

No. 934999


I think his "feelings" were really just a way to shield himself from sticking it to a woman who is married his supposed friend. "We fell in love, sorry." sounds a lot better than "I just wanted to fuck your wife/screw around on mine."

No. 935005

I like how barely a week ago, Holly was giving people shit for looking at her likes & then she gets into this guy's business like she's slick or something…

No. 935011

Truly the queen of double standards. Also she has a huge superiority complex and I think she gets off on lecturing/talking down to others about why they're bad and she's good

No. 935048

No. 935050

Holly thinks we hate her, but personally I just feel bad for her. I think she has some sort of mental issue, she deals with codependency and feels like she has to 'save' people around her, and I think she's going to be really hurt when Jared finally takes off the mask and she sees that all of her sacrifices for him (and her being a 'better' SO than Heidi) won't be enough to keep him loyal to her. She'll read these posts, tell herself that "people make mistakes and can change" and that their bond is "different" and "special".

And yes, people CAN change… but that kind of change takes YEARS of hard work and a desire to be brutally honest with the people around you.

She needs to realize that you can't date people for who they MIGHT be. You have to date them for who they are now. And right now, Jared is not a person capable of being in the kind of relationship she'll want from him.

Also, it's been almost a year since the PJ scandal blew up and she's now the ONLY one involved still referencing it on the reg. Not that I want to tell anyone how long they should take to move on, but people would forget about it if she would just stop engaging her trolls

No. 935059

Honestly I 100% agree with you anon, its more sad at this point. Jared, the very source of the scandal, doesn't engage with trolls; Heidi seems so far to do pretty well with not engaging with them either. The whole replying and going on rants about bullying and being mean is literally just Holly, as if she has some moral high ground that she needs to prove. And the circumstances around the entire incident make it so theres always going to be divisive opinions on who was right and wrong, and she thinks she can somehow win over every single person with this uwu shit and as someone who's been in the internet world for so long you'd think she'd have learned how fucking stupid that is.

No. 935067

>Holly thinks we hate her
I mean, I do. She seems like a genuinely shitty person who tries to cope with it by masking herself behind disingenuous outreach projects, rather than acknowledge and actually work on her own flaws and insecurities.

I hold no sympathy for unrepentant abusers, especially ones that lash out at anyone that tries to hold them accountable.

No. 935100


Yep, nothing says #bekind like slandering someone's wife for months because you want to sleep with the husband, esp when you say you are said wife's friend too, then gaslight her, publicly armchair diagnose her while deeming her 'unfixable' to boot, and then commit adultery in your own marriage while being a mistress in another.

Yep, #bekind yall.


Sure are a lot of random defensive posts about herpaholly ITT. Hit a nerve?

No. 935109


It will never not be the most ridiculous to see her preach "Be Kind!" but knowing that it only applies to HER.


Second mentally ill person chiming in to tell Hoelly to shut the fuck up. When she called someone an "Unfixable Abuser" publicly while telling said person in private that it was all a mistake, she lost the right to ree about "Be kind!!!!"


>"Bullying is for the weak!"

Says the bitch that literally called someone an "unfixable abuser" that came forward just to profit before waiting a whole three months to do the exact same shit herself.


Oh god, she's back on the "This is sexist to call me a mistress adulterous whore!" train.


Bingo. She HAS to know by now that her fans will aggressively attack anyone who speaks out against her, so calling that dude out specifically is just starting the hate mob.

No. 935116

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Looks like she got him to apologize… well, sort of.

No. 935118

Pretty much this. She keeps doing this and it flies right over her head that what she's doing is harassing a person right back by trying to find out more about them in order to use what she finds as ammo against them. She's a bully, will always be a bully and needs to shut the fuck up about others being bullies.

Eat shit and be kind, Hoelly.

No. 935120


more like, "You go first, Holly."

No. 935126


That is a painfully accurate comparison.


It's always sad when people co-opt feminism for something barely-related they've been criticized for. When it comes to sexism on Twitter (not to mention sexism in general) she is so far off from being a typical victim. Etika vibes. Does she not understand how much victim-blaming, doxing, rape threats, etc. some women get?

No. 935134

#bekind …unless everyone else is doing it. Then it's too trendy for Holly. Fuck that Australian wildlife, right?

No. 935145


I still can't believe that was her logic. Like, somehow her promoting disaster relief for her ex-husband's homeland was going to be JUST TOO MUCH, even though the entire fucking place was on fire (and now they're overwhelmed with flooding issues so there's that).

No. 935253


she gets them too, anon. she shared few exactly during Etika's debacle, but people were too outraged to pay attention to those and then she deleted the whole deal. The DMs she's been getting include all of these but you know, she's terrible person so it doesn't count.

No. 935254


when you promote something just because it is the hot issue right this moment it is a bit pointless and it is more about people seeing you that you joined in this rather than actually spreading more awareness.

No. 935268


Which would be valid if just joining a cause so you could point and say “look! I’m so charitable, guys!” - but if it’s a cause you truly believe in, it shouldn’t matter if it’s popular or not.

No. 935280


Because she was bringing it on herself, Anon. Rape Threats aren't acceptable, but you ignore them (or report them to the authorities if you honestly feel at risk) - You don't post them all over your twitter in a bid to gain sympathy.

>"She's a terrible person so it doesn't count"

You'll forgive me for not being upset over people slut-shaming Hoelly for being a ……well, a slut that was fucking a married man despite the man's wife explicitly saying "Hey, fuck other people - just not that one person"

Sex between consenting adults = great

Sex between a woman and a man behind the man's wife's back = Whore-like, slutty

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