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Last time on "The One Where Gamers Have No Game" Edition…
> Holly Conrad decides that ‘being mean to others to make yourself feel better is not okay’……unless you’re apparently fucking their husband and then it’s acceptable and excused under the umbrella of “I’m sorry, I’m mentally ill”
> She also admitted to knowing of her lolcow thread, stating that she’s only on here because she’s “a woman accused of cheating on the internet, because it’s apparently 1645”
> Katie/Kati threw a fit that neither Heidi nor Holly were openly supporting her or liking her posts, saying that this means they weren’t feminists or supportive of abuse/bullying victims.
>PJ2 stans come in by the drove, deadset on defending their Incel King and his “Not-Like-Other-Girls” Queen
> Ross continued to be the only one who might escape all of this unscathed - has moved on with a new girlfriend, is back to animating, and seems to be really happy.
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Thread Credit: >>930970
Previous Threads (The ProJared Saga Begins):
Character Descriptions and Stats:
Jared "the Wormdick" Knabenbauer>Known for having a gaming youtube channel where he reviewed games>Formed "Waffle crew", the D&D group that would soon turn out to be a dumpster fire>All hell broke lose when his ex-wife revealed he has been manipulating, abusing and cheating on her>Soon after, other victims of his started leaking chat logs and nudes>Turns out he was soliciting underage porn >Went into hiding>Throughout DCA, his D&D character, Diath, was having an on-going romance with Strix, his co-player Holly Conrad's character>Turns out they were also involved IRL, cheating on their spouses>Holly is currently whiteknighting him on twitter, while he is trying to manipulate his side-pieces from the shadows>One of his side-pieces fell for it and now is changing her initial statement, trying to get on his good side (even though he ghosted her before)>Heidi accuses Jared of threatening legal action if she speaks up. Unfortunately Heidi casts “Absorb Elements” just like she did for his initial divorce statement. Jared takes an extra 1d6 damage on her next melee attack.
Charisma: send noOds
Holly "Manic Pixie Butterface" Conrad (current power-level):>Got into D&D, started thinking she's literally Strix - her character>Cheated on Ross with Jared the Wormdick while trying to manipulate both Jared and his wife>Once Heidi (Jared's wife) revealed her as a side hoe, she locked down everything and checked into the tumblr hospital>After getting back on the net, she started autistically defending herself and Jared, claiming she never cheated and Heidi is literally Hitler>Professional victim, her NPD can be seen from space>Emotionally abused Ross, claimed she never felt love until she met Jared>Claims to have not cheated on her ex-husband despite his refusal to make one comment about the situation in her defense>Can't stand even tiny criticism about herself, reads her lolcow thread though>Compared Etika’s suicide, a popular black YouTuber, to her own suicidal ideation by showcasing they both received clown emojis as “bullying.” >Suffers backlash from the black community, Etika’s fans and Twitter>After being called out for taking advantage of a person’s suicide, Holly infamously deflects criticism by tweeting, “I’m sorry. I’m mentally ill.”
Luck: ran out
Charisma: clown emoji
Holly Conrad’s Previous Stats:>Holly is a “talented cosplayer/craftsman/special effects artist and well respected in the community”, even appearing on Syfy's "Heroes of Cosplay">Was one of the main focuses of the 2011 Documentary "Comic-Con Episode IV: A Fan's Hope" (directed by Morgan Spurlock)>Originally gained notoriety for her Commander Shepard/FemShep cosplay>Married to Ross O'Donovan, beloved animator and member of the GG Family, from 2012 to 2018>When it came to Arin/Suzy vs Ross/Holly most people preferred Ross and Holly, because they felt less fake and Holly was famous separate of Ross, not riding her husband's coattails like Suzy.>Was best buds with Jared's wife Heidi, another talented and respected cosplayer/craftsman>Apparent tragic backstory = quirky anxiety uwu. I don't really know the whole backstory on this one, not sure if it really matters. >But was apparently close to her grandfather and inherited his house(?) in Washington(?) when he passed away which was in theory part of the reason she and Ross amicably split. Jared and Heidi just also happened to live in Washington.>Other speculated factors included Holly being asexual (lmao), the toxic GG fan-community, "having codependency issues", and wanting to leave LA while Ross wanted to stay>Publicly their divorce was mutual, amicable, and came as somewhat of a shock….OR WAS IT?>Basically all this drama is so juicy because Holly "quirky manic pixie dream bird gurl, asexual anxiety, luvs animals so obviously wouldn't hurt anyone uwu" Conrad was the surprise plot twist villain we never saw coming
For More On Holly Conrad:>A History of Holly: >>838840 (Source: PULL)
Charisma: Not Suzy
Heidi of the House O'Ferrall, Hell Hath No Fury, Giver of Zero Fucks, Destroyer of Careers>Non-lewd cosplayer, talented craftsman and elf >Produces tutorials and shows her work in progress pretty in depth>Has a degree in Theatre/Costume Design>"She had sex with my husband", top 10 anime deaths of all time>Married to Jared Pedodick Knobslob>Was in a poly relationship with Jared>Claims Holly was the reason it didn’t work out >Outed Jared’s infidelity and set twitter ablaze>Working on her current divorce and perhaps a defamation against Holly Conrad for trying to claim she had BPD and that psychologists have deemed her “unfixable” >Has started to become more vocal on that drama since Holly’s Etika sperg>Claims emotional abuse by Jared and gas lighting, and also seems to insinuate her enjoyment of sex has decreased>Blocks overtly sexual cosplays because of the ProJared controversy >Currently living alone in a new home and trying to start up her business and craft in a way to support herself>Accuses Holly of being vindictive enough to have done everything in her power to end her marriage and happiness
Dan Pirro from the Honorable House Pigeon>Dedicated white knight of Jared and Holly’s that created a campaign to prove #heidingthetruth>In direct contact with Holly Conrad Flying Monkeyhttps://twitter.com/SweetestRads
Jessica Slater from the Honorable House Pigeon >Holly stan and dedicated “sister” https://twitter.com/CupcakeValkyrie >Runs a clearly objective truth blog on tumblr while putting down Heidi on twitterhttps://jaredhollyheiditruth.tumblr.com
Participation Trophies go to the following for their dedication:>Denica >BorkScorpion, RainbowTressym, TigerNightmare, UnicornHoodlum and others>May or may not be sockpuppet accounts>Tier 3 WKs, to be mostly ignored>Autism awareness is sometimes being aware of who to avoid
>Holly Conrad/Commander Holly:https://www.instagram.com/commanderholly/https://twitter.com/HollyConradhttps://www.youtube.com/user/CommanderHolly
The Expanded Universe:
Previous GG Threads:**>Jon vs Dan speculations, are the Suzy nudes real or fake, blah blah blah, old news. Seriously, don't ask to be spoonfed this old dried up milk. Go read about it on your own. >There is a whole subreddit dedicated to GG Rule 34 where they sexualize the girlfriends/wives as well as the grumps called r/polygrumps. Suzy once long ago tweeted in support of polygrumps, but it seems like an especially toxic corner of their already toxic fanbase. I doubt she would confirm that support today.>GG sells a merch line called Game Gyaru "based on Arin and Danny, reimagined as female characters inspired by the anime series Dirty Pair, named Arina and Daniella respectively". It's a blatant tracing of the characters from "Dirty Pair" that they did not initially acknowledge.>GG release body pillows of Dan and Arin. They sell out very quickly. It's gross: >>792883>Guess what Jon's an even worse blatantly sexist/racist person than we ever could have imagined>Katie/Suzy/deviantART
Suzy "the Goose" Berhow:>Has a history of scamming fans by buying cheap jewelry from China and the likes and reselling it to fans with an absurd markup as her jewelry line or as one anon put it: "creating a really expensive jewelry line that involved very little effort on her part". Arin has to come to her defense when people find out.>Previous threads over the years were mostly about Suzy's "thyroid-related" weight gain and absurd styling choices, scamming, and how she's a ~rEaL gAmEr GuRl~ >No one seems to really have complaints about her current styling choices since she lost weight and the skunk stripe and adopted a more natural look (it's much closer to her twin sister Jean's)>Suzy was a "model" when younger, and will still constantly repost the same pictures from her past over and over again, in case anyone forgot>There sometimes seemed to be some unspoken tension between Suzy and Holly. Suzy seemed to give off the vibe of being uncomfortable not being the only cool gamer gurl in the GG group, especially when up against a girl that seemed to prefer and respect.>Seems plausible that she prefers being the female center of attention given the theory that JonTron's swift and dramatic departure from GG was due in part to some beef between Suzy and Jon's girlfriend at the time. IIRC this is still all just speculation. (Jon's too big of a topic, read that one on your own for the full backstory)>A/N: I would be kind of surprised if she showed any support for Holly at all, but maybe that's just me
Katie (Most recent GG drama unrelated to PigeonGate 2019 ):>Suzy claims she and Arin have been together since 2002. Arin's mysterious deviantART ex Katie shows up from an apparent cryogenic sleep after 10+ years and throws an insane hissy-fit about how Arin was pursuing HER during that time and she turned HIM down. >Thinks Suzy poisoned Arin against being her BEST FRIEND despite the fact that she was married, disappeared from the internet, lived across the country, and was definitely leading Arin on for some time. Arin seems to have bought her some gifts in this time.
>Minor cow Katie, rejected Arin way back when and regrets it now that he's famous:https://twitter.com/dropsofviolet
About Dice, Camera, Action:>DCA is/was a popular D&D livestream DM'd by Chris Perkins (WoTC story designer)>It's cast consisted of Holly Conrad, Jared Knabenbauer, Nathan Sharp and Anna Prosser >All of them turned out to be cheaters, hooking up with each other and breaking marriages/engagements
>Wafflecrew/Dice, Camera, Action:http://yt.vu/a1ZbgywIF6Yhttps://twitter.com/livewafflecrewhttps://twitter.com/NateWantsToBtlhttps://twitter.com/AnnaProsser
Filed Under “Other”:
Do Not Bother Ross O’Donovan>Game Grump and animator
You May Support and Subscribe at: >Ross O'Donovan/RubberNinja:https://twitter.com/RubberNinjahttps://www.youtube.com/user/RubberNinjahttps://www.instagram.com/rubberninja/
Reminder from Mods:>Subjects have to be 16+ to be discussed on lolcow. Do not include Holly's 15 year old friend’s face or social media posts here. >This is also a reminder that cowtipping is also against the rules, do not contact the girl or her parents because of her relation to Holly.>Keep whiteknight posting to when they actually spill milk.
Huh, yet you haven't addressed the other inconsistencies, just hand waved them as "people are bad at remembering"
so… to quote you
>If you want to be willfully ignorant and only see the evidence that supports your bullshit theories, that's on you.
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creepshow made another video about crazy katie. laughing because I had no idea that she compared ross to trump for ignoring her requests to clear the air over a friendship that ended over 10 years ago. also apparently someone who worked a venue for the game grumps as security sent a message to creepshow saying that the grumps went out of their way to tell them (security personnel) of a possible stalker showing up, and showed a picture of katie
>"You haven't addressed the other inconsistencies"
Because they don't need addressing. Everyone involved has moved on with the exception of your incel king's new sidepiece. >>930980
Eh, I wouldn't put it past Katie - but I'd also take the word of anonymous sources with a grain of salt.
I mean, either way, it wasn't as clear-cut as she "broke up with Ross first" and "never cheated on him".
And that was just one example of an inconsistency off the top of my head.
If you want to talk inconsistencies, Holly is the queen of inconsistencies.
She is constantly telling people one thing and then turning around and saying another.
She promises to donate to charity, then claims she was "bullied" into agreeing.
She tells Heidi she's going to write her a letter, then never sends said letter.
She tells Heidi "that's the truth, you're not the bad guy. You are the person who was hurt by all this," apologizes for very specific things in her texts with Heidi, and then says on twitter that she "wasn't even sure what she was apologizing for" and continues to claim that Heidi was abusive
She claims she's moving on and wants to be left alone, but then goes and seeks out comments about herself and reads her lolcow thread.
I could go on for a long time.
The reason I believe Heidi more than Holly, is because Heidi's story sounds more like a real telling of events.
Holly's story uses words like "SCREAMED" and "enraged" and "fit of rage" and "howled". She sounds unhinged when she talks about the situation. She doesn't share any receipts nor her own personal feelings about what happened. She just paints Heidi as this cartoon villain that she had to 'save' Jared from, and then complains about being bullied by the internet. She doesn't sound like she's describing real human interactions.
Heidi just posted her side of the story, complete with receipts and detailed descriptions of her feelings and thought processes. She comes across as hurt, but still trying to be fair and move on. Her responses feel very 'human'.
Sure, the truth is probably somewhere between both of their stories. But Heidi just seems more believable.
This. I could never put my finger on why it sounded so fake - but it is absolutely very much like Hoelly is trying to make Heidi sound worse, so she writes this grand fictional tale where Heidi is the villain and Hoelly the Hero is just trying to rescue poor, mistreated Jared.
I mean, no one wants to be the villain in their own stories, but Hoelly takes it to an entirely new level to avoid any hint of her being the bad guy.
- Commenting on Jared's original divorce announcement as if she was just a supportive friend that had no direct involvement with it at all
- Claiming to have been in a mental health ward with no contact with the outside world after the initial blowback, and then admitting that she actually was following everything when it became obvious that her story and timeline didn't match up
- Claiming everything she was accused of was a lie, then repeatedly walking back that statement over and over and over as more evidence was revealed about her actual actions and interactions with Jared and Heidi, e.g. "we never slept together!" to "we never slept together until well after they broke up!" to "we might have slept together, but in Jared's mind they were broken up!" etc.
Not just commenting, but pulling the "Sorry you're going through this" line, as if she hadn't spent the better part of six months at least trying to convince Jared that Heidi was abusive
If someone finally left their abuser, why would you be "sorry you're going through this"? Wouldn't you be glad they finally left?
And the following it while in the mental health hospital: I call bullshit. No one who is admitted for suicidal ideations is going to be allowed to follow drama from the outside that is just going to aggravate those feelings.
That's the part that fucking gets me.
If you KNOW your friend is abused by his spouse, regardless of other feelings, you don't get them out of it so you can have him for yourself!
They are hurt and vulnerable and you give support, you don't spread your legs going "finally time to lay pipe!"
If you fall in love with said "friend" and then realize they are abused this isn't all that unheard of.>>930983>Because they don't need addressing
Yep, certainly not to you they don't. But I'm not picking up what you're setting down and no amount of "I'm right and you can't convince me I'm not" is going to give me what I'm looking for: Your actual thoughts on the actual evidence so I can consider a different perspective. So far it boils down to "We believe Heidi because we don't trust Holly"
That's not evidence based conclusion. That's feelings based. No matter how much you claim the evidence backs it up, it doesn't. There's too much open to interpretation. There's too much gray area. There's too much that's relies on the given word of either party.
You base your conclusion that Hoelly is a hoe on:
- Heidi claiming they cheated
- Heidi claiming she and Jared were still trying to work things out
- Texts between Heidi and Holly discussing the implications of the fact that Holly had more than just sexual feelings for Jared.
- Holly trying to placate Heidi.
- A belief that Ross wasn't properly informed, without anything affirming or denying that belief.
Those aren't indicative of either story, because both stories tell the same story beats from a different perspective.
You keep trying to paint me as a blind stan who won't accept that Holly and Jared can do no wrong.
That's just plain incorrect. I just don't see how EITHER party's narrative can be supported, and as a result I don't think that it's correct to lay blame at either person's feet.
Both sides are inconsistent. Both sides provided backup for certain claims and not others. Both sides can only be trusted so much. You just don't ever admit that here.
Here you have anons saying a potentially crazy abusive
person has a "chill and cool" stream and she only talks about the drama a little bit, so she's obviously the good person here, right?
Stans would say shit like that.
>"so I can consider a different perspective"
I may not have elaborated on each incident of what you view to be "inconsistencies", but others have and you're STILL choosing to scream that Heidi could've been abusive
too and that we're all being unfair to Holly. You're sealioning…and not even doing so well.
>"You base your conclusion that Hoelly is a hoe on…"
I base it on the fact that, regardless of WHEN the affair started, she's STILL TO DATE banging a married man. She STILL moved from California to Washington to be with him (She can claim it's to be around trees all she wants; There are trees literally EVERYWHERE, yet she picks the state where her fuckbuddy and his wife lived?)
>"A belief that Ross wasn't properly informed, without anything affirming or denying that belief"
There's texts from Holly to Heidi that say "After Anna's party, I'm going to tell Ross everything". That implies that, at the VERY least, she was engaging in conversations of a romantic nature with someone that was NOT her husband. She also said that she knew Ross was okay with her sleeping with another woman, but had NO idea if he'd be down with her fucking other men.
>"You just don't ever admit that here"
There are plenty of people in this thread and the last 16 threads who've said that everyone is to fault here, but okay, pj2 stan.
Really anon? How many times now have you derailed the thread to go off about Heidi, while posting no new Heidi milk? No one is saying Heidi is a "good person". You're jumping to that conclusion because you're mad no one here is posting about Heidi.
We post about Holly because she is funnier. She is a cow in her own right and produces constant milk that is now unrelated to her past drama with Heidi. People were having fun laughing at Holly. That's it. The fact people laugh at Holly does not mean they support Heidi. I don't post about Heidi because lately she hasn't done anything funny. If you have Heidi milk, post it so we can laugh at it. Otherwise, shut up with this tired bullshit that no one wants to read
>>931031>but others have
Oh really, when did they break up according to Heidi.
How about this one I didn't bring up:
why did the fan who slept with Jared say Heidi lied to her?
>That implies that, at the VERY least, she was engaging in conversations of a romantic nature with someone that was NOT her husband.
Yes, this was the day after they were supposed to fuck and talked about their feelings in stead anon. She can't take a fucking day to figure out how to discuss this lifechanging realization with her husband?
>There are plenty of people in this thread and the last 16 threads who've said that everyone is to fault here, but okay, pj2 stan.
This right here is how I know you're full of shit. I'm not talking to people from the previous threads who say everyone sucks. I'm talking to the Heidi stans still around because they want to dunk on Holly. Otherwise there would be a whole lot less of "Heidi is cool" being said in here.
Yeah, you're really convincing me you feel Heidi is/was shitty too
You simply just don't get it, and that's why people keep telling you to fuck off. Besides the fact that there are literally dozens and dozens of threads of evidence you can go back through and draw a conclusion off of (which is what we've already done), the idea of getting "an evidence based conclusion" in a personal dispute is ridiculous on its face. Your conclusion about the situation will depend entirely on your personal feelings on the subject and your moral standpoint, because the "evidence" we have access to is inherently extremely limited and inherently biased. Whether or not you choose to believe a specific set of information, again, depends on your personal feelings and moral standpoint. Everyone here sides with Heidi over Holly for different reasons, but the most "objective" reason is that she hasn't displayed nearly the same level of negative behavior and has made far more efforts to be transparent and honest. There's plenty of other reasons that have already been brought up, but if you don't see it that way, that's on you, and nothing anyone is going to say will convince you otherwise no matter how many times you claim it will.
In short, fuck off.
>>931042>the idea of getting "an evidence based conclusion" in a personal dispute is ridiculous on its face
For the slow:
THIS IS WHAT THIS THREAD HAS DONE. AND IT IS WHY I AM CONDEMNING IT.
I'm here to talk about what the thread is about, and just because you refuse to talk about the shit Heidi has been up to: RE - crying on stream about how she's so alone, refusing to go somewhere because "it might rain" IN SEATTLE. Saying "I'm done talking about this 6 months ago but still engaging with the occasional troll. If you're going to claim to only be interested in milk, you're doing an awful lot of brushing some of it aside.
If you want proof just look at the stupid stats you've given to the people involved. Nothing negative at all said about Heidi. Fucking really? Not even a "has anger issues"?
In short; no u, I'm doing what this board is intended for.
edited for mistakes made.
This thread was pretty stale until the WK’s and sealions started coming here to argue.
Sorry autismo, no one is particularly interested in ragging on a girl whose worst crimes are completely mundane (not wanting to walk in the rain is milk? are you retarded?), especially not when there's far more interesting and deserving targets at hand.
It'd be a lot better if you'd just admit to being a Holly stan and then right quickly fuck off.
Yes it's true.
Heidi broke up with her black boyfriend in February 2018 when they cancelled polyamory due to Holly.
I'd laugh my ass off if it was actually Holly getting stoned and defending herself on lolcow.
But it's probably Denica or someone who wastes their time. I've been saying we should just not interact with them at all.
The ONLY reason people are still dunking on Holly is because she keeps fanning the flames around her instead of putting them out and moving on with her life.
Also, if you want a 'proof' based analysis of what happened, here's something:
By Holly's own admission, she has these traits:
1) reacts poorly to anything she perceives as 'aggressive' or 'bullying' due to past abuse
2) codependency issues where she tries to solve other people's problems and take care of them
3) problems with attraction to others where she can only ever be attracted to someone she's really good friends with
4) A lack of empathy for others from years of abuse
5) A lack of experience in relationships
Heidi is blunt with her feelings, needs a lot of communication, and was entirely financially dependent on Jared. I think that was part of what pushed her to hold onto the marriage as long as she did.
This leads me to believe that this happened:
1) Heidi noticed that Jared and Holly were basically acting like a couple already, so she asked them to talk their feelings out.
2) Holly, because of above mentioned reasons, thought she was more in love with Jared than she was with Ross. Heidi felt uncomfortable with this and tried to shut it down.
3) When asked to, Jared broke up with Holly, and Holly didn't take it very well. Heidi and Holly had a phone call where Heidi yelled at her, and Holly (for reasons mentioned above) started to believe Jared was a victim
of abuse and sent articles to Jared.
4) Holly's inability to feel anything for most people plus her lack of empathy due to abuse plus her codependency issues led her to attaching VERY strongly to Jared and becoming obsessed with 'helping' him escape into her arms.
5) Jared at first denied the articles, but eventually he realized that playing into that narrative would keep Heidi and Holly away from one another so they couldn't compare notes and pick up on his lies.
6) Jared wanted to have both Heidi and Holly at once, but Holly was putting pressure on him to leave Heidi. This led to him asking for a breakup the first time in October.
7) Heidi didn't want to lose her marriage for reasons stated above, so she fought to keep it. Jared, being a coward, agreed to work through their issues and try to make things work rather than just breaking up then.
8) Holly, still believing Jared was being abused, didn't understand why he hadn't left Heidi yet. Jared told her it was because Heidi was 'abusive
' in order to hide that it was really just his cowardice at fault. Heidi, believing that they were still working on their marriage, continued to ask him to enforce boundaries with Holly.
9) Heidi finally found out about Holly and confronted Jared. Jared realized that the ruse was up and, rather than face his own mistakes, decided to break up with Heidi.
Jared's actions are TEXTBOOK cheating spouse actions.
Things that cheaters do:
1) blame their spouse for their cheating
2) depict their partner as 'abusive
' to friends and any new partners
3) tell two different parties different stories
4) Keep people separated from one another so they can't compare notes
5) Come up with excuses for why they "can't" leave their spouse while promising that the other person in their true soulmate
6) Put another person on hold until they leave their marriage (which I don't think he would have ever done if Heidi didn't find those sexts)
Jared did ALL of those things. You can literally google any relationship where someone was cheated on, and you'll see at least one or two of those behaviors. Cheaters all act from the same playbook, that's why people can see his behavior for what it is. It's incredibly transparent.
I can provide screenshots and evidence to back up all of the premises this was built on.
Denica fits the ~facts & stats! angle she keeps pushing.
They are all stupid fucks though, imagine walking into a vegan restaurant and being like "why are you serving vegan!!" and complaining at them instead of just not going there, kek
Like it's very clear how this board views things, they gain NOTHING by debating with us, they won't change our mind, it's fucking pointless. Just get out of here and go find your own little circlejerk place to stan holly and jared, jesus christ
holly can show some self restraint and not visit here if it hurts her feefees so much. If it hurts her maybe it's because the truth stings. Her wk's won't get any brownie points for defending her honor either
Heidi missing her friends/family that she became isolated from over the course of her marriage to PedoDick isn't milk, Anon.
Milk would be the sudden reveal that she's actually a man or that she was really Hoelly all along.>>931088
I know this is news to you since you apparently never venture out of your Mom's basement, but married couples? They fight sometimes, especially when one is running around behind their partner's back with a mutual friend.>>931090
I wouldn't be surprised. >>931099
Denica or DanDan "The Man" Pirro. Cupcake is too fucking stupid to string a complete sentence together.
>>931097>A lack of empathy for others from years of abuse
I will agree with some of what's said here, though I'm curious about this one. Missing this info. (specifically the lack of empathy)
Where I have trouble following:
1)>blame their spouse for their cheating
I guess I'm missing or interpreting receipts differently
2)>Keep people separated from one another so they can't compare notes
The separation was imposed by Heidi, I haven't seen any indications of Jared telling Holly to stop talking to Heidi. Might be missing something here too.
Now here's what I've seen that you're leaving out that makes me question the story given:
1) Heidi shared a conversation with her therapist in which she is combative with her therapist because the therapist was taking Jared's side.
2) Jared showed a text where the same therapist was worried Heidi would make a false suicide threat. No idea why she(the therapist) would disclose this, though.
3) The threats, the statements that Heidi made that she's "dangerous"
4) Jared's change in demeanor on his streams during late 2018 (not sure when it started exactly)
5) Heidi asking Jared to sleep in a separate room some time after February 2018 (supported by the "Aeries chose me" tweet)
6) Heidi talking about leaving Jared crying in several of her receipts
7) Jared doing his best to not talk shit about Heidi (you can say he lets Holly do it for him I guess)
8) PBG and Furst initially coming out that Heidi appeared abusive
10) Not once in her retelling did Heidi say "we discussed this and decided…" it was always "I told him we had to…" I.E. "I told him he had to cut off all communication with Holly"
11) I still have yet to understand what Jared did that was abusive
, gaslighting, etc.
12) Sometimes two people can experience the same thing and walk away thinking something different happened. I assume that's the case here. Bad communication and high emotions lead to both parties feeling the other was doing them dirty. Jared felt Heidi wasn't being reasonable, and started losing his give a fuck. Heidi felt Jared was ignoring her pain and got more angry.
As for the pointless attempts at guessing my identity. Nobody has it correct, not that I would confirm it if you did guess correctly, but so far many swings and many misses.
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See attachment → Holly said she turned her empathy off.
"The separation was imposed by Heidi, I haven't seen any indications of Jared telling Holly to stop talking to Heidi. Might be missing something here too."
The separation wasn’t really imposed by anyone. Heidi asked for some space from Holly, but Holly was the one who stopped talking to her altogether and unfollowed her on twitter.
There are texts where Heidi tells Jared “I’m about to contact her myself” which sounds to me like Jared was trying to control the information flowing between them.
This is what I mean by separation. I think Jared was manipulating both of them so that they didn’t want
to talk to one another.
For example, he showed Heidi the texts where Holly accuses her of being abusive
(which he didn’t have to do). It’s also implied by Holly that he was simultaneously telling her he thought Heidi was abusive
. Imho he was playing into both of their fears and insecurities to keep them pitted against one another.
"Jared showed a text where the same therapist was worried Heidi would make a false suicide threat. No idea why she(the therapist) would disclose this, though."
Did you also see the text thread where the same therapist says that Jared took that screenshot out of context and doing that was "super shitty"?
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Gaslighting is a form of abuse, and it's where the abuser lies to you and denies your version of reality whenever you bring it up.
Jared was lying about multiple things by his OWN admission.
One example was that he told Heidi he had shut down his porn blog when he was still using it.
He also told her he "couldn't remember" the last time he lied to her about anything while lying to her, he told her he wasn't seeing Holly on the side when he was, etc. https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/1-wpmgaui-jpg.919610/
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Wanted to show the tweets in question where Holly admits that Heidi and Jared were still in a relationship in December and she is clearly frustrated about it. She scrubbed a bunch from that period.
Without knowing the timeline of these supposed lies, it's difficult to ascertain that they are.
That being said, is this your conclusion to how Jared was gaslighting her, or is it what she said was his gaslighting.
That's two different beasts.
Of course knowing the flow of events it can be speculated how he might have. What I want to know is what Heidi considers to be his gaslighting.
As with many things, I may have missed something. But I've seen her claim gaslighting many, many times, without actually detailing what he was pushing her to believe that was false/went against her memories.
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He was lying about so many things. Telling Heidi that she was paranoid for suspecting him. Telling her that he had shut down his porn blog, that he wasn't leaving her for Holly, that he couldn't remember lying to her.
He also wouldn't let her go to twitch con even though she had her own panel set up already, and threatened to break up with her if she did. https://i.imgur.com/sJg30Bb.jpeg
If that doesn't look like abuse to you, I don't know what to tell you.
"Helping Jared" meaning "pressure him endlessly to leave a marriage he isn't sure he wants to leave".
Isn't the story now that he isn't cooperating with the divorce proceedings? You'd think a guy who has been fucking around and crying abuse since 2018 would go ahead and end it already. It's almost like all his excuses about Heidi forcing him to stay (as opposed to asking for a chance to try and make the marriage work) are complete bullshit made up to placate Holly. Since she was drunk, acting a fool on Twitter and harassing him through text all the time.
What really has changed? He's still married, she's still inebriated and acting a fool on Twitter but she can't claim Heidi is the problem this time. She was just pissy in 2019 because she moved states and left her husband in a flash while Jared was still sleeping in bed with his wife and wearing his ring lol.
Jared is clearly a gaslighting scumbag loser who took advantage of his small taste of internet fame to hook up with and collect nudes from various fans, often behind his spouse's back. Holly is the eternal uwu victim
, special snowflake, misunderstood wannabe witch girl who uses her mental illness as a "get out of jail free" card. Heidi? She's not perfect, I don't think any anon here has said she is either, some have even called her on being a bit of a pick me "cool" gf/wife while she was with Jared, as well as on some of her other choices and behaviors. People do make mistakes, and yes, people can change and move on. Heidi is lowest on the cringe outcome of the whole fiasco which is why the focus falls back onto the shitshow that still is Holly and Jared. Heidi might be a little bit of a flake, but outside the Jared saga, she's not milky. The Jared and Holly stans just need to give it up already.>>931199
Some updates on the GG gang would be interesting if anyone has anything. I remember the days when Suzy reigned supreme in the GG threads and people thought Holly seemed "sweet". kek.
Five months later, she'd be admitting herself to a psych hospital to avoid the immediate ramifications from people discovering the affair. Maybe a month after THAT, she'd be talking about how she uses negatiave comments to self harm. A few months after THAT, she'd be back to giving mental health tips.
HollyStan Anon, tell me how there's nothing fucked up about someone who's mental health is THAT rocky giving other people mental health tips.
AYRT. I guess I was right about not needing to infight, because your post is 100% in agreement with mine. I poke fun at >>930227
for saying that guys don't cuddle with their girlfriends in public. You say
>there's nothing wrong with a girl clinging onto her man, something you see any time of the week with couples not afraid of PDA
These things are literally the same. No idea how to respond to the part about "hating" Holly, because I have no idea what it's in reference to. Sorry to be "quirky" (by not making fun of women who show affection? we have the same opinion kek) and "stupid." Can't we be uwu friends and not instinctively lash out at each other? Like I'm not miffed & don't blame you for lashing out, tensions have been high in the last several threads. But what if we had a thread in which pj2anons went completely ignored and we just laughed at cows?
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Meanwhile, Holly's still complaining…
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>>931034>We post about Holly because she is funnier. She is a cow in her own right and produces constant milk that is now unrelated to her past drama with Heidi. People were having fun laughing at Holly. That's it. The fact people laugh at Holly does not mean they support Heidi. I don't post about Heidi because lately she hasn't done anything funny. If you have Heidi milk, post it so we can laugh at it. Otherwise, shut up with this tired bullshit that no one wants to read
Really, truly, and precisely this. Thank you, anon. Holly is fun to gawk and laugh at and it ain't that deep.
This. I'm surprised that people keep falling for this same shit bickering cycle for so many threads. Pretty much since last May.
I have no doubt in my mind that Holly has been posting though. The way she searches for drama and fights with people who don't like her makes it highly likely that she defends herself here.
Hoelly, you STILL have your "cancelled" and "boundaries" shirts for sale as an attempt to profit off of said drama, not to mention you liking those tweets comparing Johnny Depp/Amber Heard to PedoDick's bullshit.
How the fuck do you consider that "past drama" when you are STILL bitching about it yourself months later??
my fucking lord, these threads. when did things turn so wonderfully golden?!
>holly stoning herself into a coma before screaming on twitch about lolcow>holly putting out the sorry results of (paid, i hope) photoshoot upon photoshoot on her twitter like it's a job>denica skimping on her thesis work to come here and demand facts from a drama board>this one retarded anon refusing to quit about heidi's bLaCk BoYfRiEnD though>>931228
THIS fucking picture
my sides have achieved orbit lmfao
I'm just not sold on this. What day was this text sent? Who was it sent to?
Given her propensity for telling half the story and never detailing dates why are you so convinced she can be trusted to be representing things honestly. This text chain wasn't released until August. Why was it held back? Why then was it released?
I don't trust anyone in this drama to be fairly representing things when they can't be confirmed against a secondary source. One of those secondary sources is a timeline.
It changes the implications whether these things were said in 2019 or 2018
we called it back when dca's cancellation was made official: she wants to keep from burning that bridge for future opportunities. too bad her retard sexpest boyfriend didnt just burn his bridgr, he nuked it from orbit.
or maybe shes already looking to move on to another dnd relationship since her own got cancelled lmaoo. watch out jared, now that you are no longer diath your time is limited.
Oh Hoelly, it's nice to see that your post-art-show high lasted for all five minutes and you're back at blatantly ignoring evidence that doesn't suit your narrative.>>931349
Especially with her now openly admitted to getting high af right before her stream. If she can't even be sober long enough to do a one hour stream, she's going to be hard pressed to be invited to any official, large-scale DND events.>>931352
That's probably exactly it. She was really into Ross while she could still milk the FemShep!Garrus relationship - but when she lost that stupid contest, she fizzled out on that and moved on to DND. Now that DCA/DND is fizzling, it will be no time at all before she's found her next thing.
Here's the real question: if she is offered a role and Jared isnt, will she take it? Or is she idiotic enough to "stand with him"
Minor secondary question: is Jared enough of an asshole to resent her/take it out on her if she does get an offer and he doesn't?
Yes, she would absolutely take a role for herself instead of "standing with Jared".
Yes, he would absolutely resent her for it.
Are there two obvious stand ins that sounds like an offbrand version? Like Strux and Biath?
Or were they killed off screen and now no one mentions then after a brief euology?
Oreven better, they just disappeared an no one even acknowledged that they were ever a part of the game?
>"What reason would be there to not hire her for a new project?"
Her continued attachment to the controversial, potential pedophile, PedoDick - for one. For another, she is incredibly problematic
with her random outbursts/meltdowns on twitter. From a PR standpoint, Hoelly is a nightmare that they'd be wise to avoid.>>931385>>931400
Even if invited back, I don't think Hoelly would go without Jared.>>931403
I thought Anna and Nate both created new characters for the new show, but I could be wrong. The only ones unable to just move on and start over are PedoDick and Cumrag.
>>931383>what reason would be there to not hire her for a new project?
The idiot is still having meltdowns on twitter and openly admitted multiple times to seeking out drama (like lurking and probably posting on here). WotC isn't going to hire someone or let them back when they're still being a toxic
cunt firmly implanted into Jared's birdhole.>>931392>>931401
Also this. They wouldn't have let her go if they had no reason to. >>931400> is Jared enough of an asshole to resent her/take it out on her if she does get an offer and he doesn't?
Oh hell yes, without a doubt.
The new show will be a whole new campaign with new characters. Totally unrelated to DCA
Holly is just holding out for them to let Strix be a guest appearance
I'm fairly certain WOTC in general has a big anti-drama policy.
Mike Mearls has been completely silent on social media since the Zak S thing broke well over a year ago.
So unless she disassociates from the drama completely and stays on her best fucking behavior, sure Greg Tito and Chris Perkins and whothefuckeverelse will still be nice on Twitter but the upper management will put the kibosh on any potential return.
WotC will not bring Strix back without Diath because of the fan response that would get. All the whiny, angry DCA shippers would come out of the woodwork to say, "now you have to bring him back too!" and just cause more problems. The company definitely does not want to cater to those people or entertain the drama. The characters/reputations are too intertwined to just get one back without opening a bigger can of worms.
This also brings up another thing- if Holly were ever to be associated with a Wizards show again, they would probably ask her NOT to roleplay as Strix. Anna and Nate made totally new characters, so it follows that they would want to keep Strix out of it even if Holly were allowed back. It'd be pretty entertaining to see her tantrum over that, OR her attempts at making a second self-insert character that's totallynotStrix.
First she went SciFi, did her science fiction romance with Ross
Then tried to be the gamer girl with Ross and the Grumps.
Medieval fantasy with Jared and WoTC.
I feel next she will try to go ghetto hoodrat and start dating some black guy.
She already smokes weed so the transition won't be hard.
This is somewhat unrelated and kind of armchair psych so take with a grain of salt, but I stumbled on an old KF thread discussing Holly calling Heidi BPD and something that had been bothering me about all of this hit me.
I started reading the characteristics of BPD and realized that they ALL describe Holly to a T. But didn't she accuse Heidi of having BPD herself?
Turns out that projection is another facet of BPD. So what if she was projecting her OWN diagnosis onto Heidi? https://sharischreiber.com/borderline-perfect/https://www.healthline.com/health/obsessive-love-disorder#outlook
Past history of family abuse, low self esteem, emotional self-harm, splitting (for example, turning Heidi into the Evil one and herself into the Good one), suppressing/cutting out the negative parts of herself, projection of her BPD onto others, obsession with Jared, lack of empathy…
The list goes on.
Her view of Heidi as this horrible evil woman while she herself constantly talks about empathy and compassion never really made sense to me.
This kind of makes it all line up, though. (Even the bit about her obsession with Jared.)(armchair)
>"but Hoelly is good at threatening suicide if things don't go her way"
She is - but that would be the one surefire way to ensure that she NEVER worked with WoTC or DND in any capacity ever again. Big companies don't take kindly to someone threatening them into giving out jobs.>>931487
Yeah - at least Anna and Nate were smart enough to keep their mouths shut in the public arena, whereas Hoelly couldn't WAIT to openly brag that Strix/Diath was now real life too.>>931532
I would rather watch someone craft and enjoy a hobby than Hoelly get absolutely ripped and not even be remotely focused on anything during a stream. PedoDick can go suck his own dick - If I want to play old games, I'll just go do that and not blow 1-2 hours watching a grown man fail to grow up.
Depending on the game he plays, he still hits over the 400 range including tons of subs. MTG isn't his target audience. As much as you want to shit talk, this is one aspect that has literally nothing to do with who he is as a person but rather the fact..that's just how streaming/youtube life is lol.
Unless you're a big name MTG player, you won't get a ton of views, it's fairly boring to watch in general and he is more known for shit like randomizers or actual video games. Look at his pokemon sw/sh stream, he was easily nearing 2k viewers like most other people who stream it hit high numbers.>>931584
We get it, Heidi stan, but not everyone is into crafting/cosplay creation streams. I promise you don't watch streams/videos of things you aren't interested in, so why is it surprising, let alone shocking what she does isn't popular and will pull in hundreds/thousands of viewers? Just look at the twitch directory some time to get an idea of what gets the views on that platform.
>"But not everyone is into crafting/cosplay creation streams"
Good for them. Nobody is bitching about Heidi not having higher numbers or screaming about how it's some big conspiracy - merely people pointing out the difference in numbers. Unlike y'all ProDick/Hoelly stans, we're capable of saying "Hey, there's a difference, that's okay" rather than shouting about how unfair it is and "#EndCancelCulture" or what-the-fuck-ever.
>"Why is it surprising, let alone shocking what she does isn't popular?"
It is popular among the right crowd. Also, some people do streams because they enjoy them, not just to gain the adoration of a bunch of strangers online while simultaneously getting too high to hold it together.
Heidi's sound quality is low at best, lighting could use huge improvement, she has hardly any custom emotes, and she could vastly improve her layout.
Her stream is not higher quality, you just like it more.
I like it more. Most of your opinions, boil down to "needs improvement" anyway.
It's almost like likeability has a huge part in streaming anyway /s
Holly Stan: -criticizes Heidi for having subpar sound on a stream-
Same anon, failing to see the irony: OMG y’all will attack Holly for anything!!
Those are the indicators of a stream's quality, like it or hate it. Anybody can create a stream with quality if they dump enough money into it. That doesn't mean the content is quality.
I guarentee you, though, there's a craft streamer out there with every indicator of quality including entertainment and talent who wishes they could get half of what Heidi does.
Creating is a very niche market on twitch
It's not crazy for someone starting out to not have the highest quality equipment, and it's not like shes rolling in cash to buy better stuff. I doubt Jared let her take all of the good streaming equipment
Also, criticizing Heidi wont make Holly and Jared's streams any better. They can have the highest quality equipment on Twitch and would still put me to sleep.
I get that you want to diminish every complement Heidi gets and all that, but she streams interesting stuff, even if it's something you dont care about.
If Holly starts streaming herself making some cosplay or diath domintrix gear I'm sure you stans will fall over backwards complementing her orginality
The only time it looks remotely close to "bomb" is when she's spent god knows how long slapping filters on it. Pasty faced Lydia Deets' wannabes can't pull off some of the looks Hoelly tries.>>931720
Nah, that photographer is so up Hoelly's asshole that it isn't funny.
Check back in the threads…
There's screenshots from her livestreams where she's looking jaundiced as fuck.
uh, the quality of a stream depends primarily on content; who gives a fuck about custom emotes if what's being broadcast isn't interesting.
sure, sound and video quality can detract from good content, but great sound and video aren't going to make a steaming pile of shit worth watching.
Empirical quality is: sound, lighting, custom emotes and alerts. Those things can be compared generally 1:1
Content is by its nature is not empirical. What you like doesn't reflect what others do.
If you're going to claim Heidi's is superior you should compare its relative quality to similar streams and then say that it's comparably higher quality to those than pedo and Hoelly's streams are to their relative niches.
anon, i know you think you're in expert in data analysis because you once took a science class in middle school, but there are two kinds of data: qualitative and quantitative. qualitative data can be just as "empirical" as quantitative data.
to argue that the quality of content can only be measured based on quantitative metrics like the number of custom emotes or alerts, video resolution, bitrate, etc, is asinine. imagine conducting a study on quality of life and only measuring the amount of money someone made or counting how many pieces of furniture they had, while refusing to hear subjective perspectives on dimensions of well-being that can't be quantified.
every single one of your posts about heidi could be a candidate for r/iamverysmart
That anon gave off crazy hoelly vibes - Who else would give a fuck about something as pointless emotes as an indicator of if one's stream is good or not?>>931822
>"Every single one of your posts about Heidi could be a candidate for r/iamverysmart"
Says the anon who just wasted their time making a post detailing the difference between qualitative and quantitative data on a lolcow board.
Stop defending Heidi, she was sucking dick on the side too you moron.
Ross is however the only truely innocent one in this.
Holly&Heidi are two sides of the same coin honestly
>Oct 24, 2018
Date checks out - right after they announced their divorce.
She's so gross. Who the fuck puts a chicken on their bed?
And Holly is retarded for getting a rooster. WTF did she think? She's such a birb person, but doesn't know a lot of roosters don't just crow in the morning, but in the afternoon and multiple times in the day. They're not like the god damn cartoons. My parents live in an area where people get goats, etc. and the neighbors complained enough to make them give away their rooster. They're a nuisance and even farm people are annoyed by them. She lives in god damn Seattle. People in residential areas like that just want peace and quiet.
>>932049>Holly blames the neighbors for having a "stigma" against roosters
Fucking hell Holly, not everything is a 'stigma' or 'discrimination' or some other dire societal-ill. >>932070>>932078
Yep. Came here to say this.
Roosters crow. They're territorial, it's what they do. That's why most of the people who successfully raise them live on farms, out in the country, or basically on any property with a large expanse of land.
It's like having a big dog that barks all day & night, & guess what? People complain about those too. It's not 'prejudice against the poor birbs uwu' or whatever you say it is.
>calls them passive agressive for complaining in the form of a letter
I mean, we've all seen
the way she responds to criticism online. I don't blame them for not wanting to confront her face-to-face about it.
She'd probably keep asking variations of "Can you please
explain to me how my rooster crowing is bothering you??? uwu" & not stopping until they give in & let her have her way.
I can't get over that she lets chickens roam freely throughout her house. That's a smell that will never come out. Jared is one lucky guy.>>932070
She's claiming it isn't her fault because she didn't know that he was a rooster when she got him. Sounds like bullshit to me, especially when she said everything would have been fine if the neighbors hadn't complained. I think she just did what she wanted with no fucks given like she usually does. ~I had good intentions uwu so I can't be in trouble~
She mentioned it takes over 3 different neighbors to get a complaint letter sent out so I'm sure everyone who lives by her absolutely hates her.
House chickens are a thing, but they sell special diapers designed to fit chickens for exactly the reason you point out. I'm assuming she didn't have her chickens diapered.
also it's not just due to a "stigma" against roosters when they're actively causing problems for the neigbors. If you had a rooster that was somehow silent I'm sure they wouldn't be inclined to complain, but surprise surprise, Holly, when you make bad decisions that affect other people's lives they will get upset about it. Especially when it's a legal issue. Like keeping illegal pets or betraying your best friend's marriage by sleeping with her scumbag husband.
Oh, a letter?
Like the weird in character strix smut ones she would send Jared even before they admitted their feelings?
Or the fabled apology letter she wrote to Heidi and never sent?
I guess letters are only acceptable if you're Holly Clownrad
"It isn't her fault"
Nothing is her fault is it? Even if she didn't intend to bring a rooster into her home it is still her fault that HER rooster is now disturbing the neighbors. She is quite literally unable to take responsibility for anything she does.
How many birds does this woman have? + a cat????
I just can not believe it possible for one woman to PROPERLY take care of so many fucking animals. If it was cats or dogs the world would be crying abuse but because they are just birds it flies under the radar.
She cries that its OK because who else would take care of them or pay the vet bills… OK, Boomer, but when you have THAT MANY fucking animals then none of them or a very very few select few are going to get the proper attention they deserve. Youd think if she loves birds so much she would recognize this
Holly's love is always a possessive love.
"I love them so I must have them."
See, I don't because even in ag applications you can specifically buy pullets, which are young hens sexed by the breeder. The pics I recall of her getting them they're not tiny chicks in a brooder, they're big enough to be in her outside coop and imo big enough to have been sexed.
I'm calling bullshit, either she wanted a fancy boy, the breeder lied to her, or she didn't care and got a straight run (where the birds are not sexed). Which, a breeder who knew she'd be in city limits would be being irresponsible not to ask if she wanted pullets. If she got them from an ag store - generally found outside big city limits - the minimum birds you can get is like 4 and they do offer pullets, but if she didn't disclose she's in city limits they might not have known to suggest it.
It's just fucking hilarious. This is what he gave up his wife, cat, and beloved DnD show for. A troll, wanna-be witch who is obsessed with birds to the point where she let's them piss all over her home and BED?!? Not to mention the pity parties, the suicide threats, the narcissism, the mental illness that someone simultaneously takes away her empathy and makes her want to "please everyone and make them happy"
How long until shes aksing to move in with him? The impression i get is that her house is in a much smaller neighborhood than his and has a smaller property. Pretty soon she will be moving into his house, doing her absolute best to clear all evidence of Heidi, construct a huge bird coop, paint everything black and make a shrine to Striath.
lol butthole eyes streaming alone the night before valentine's day, talking about how her neighbors hate her and her chickens piss on her stuff….how does she have fans who listen to this unironically.
i wonder if her or jared will post anything about their healthy, stable and totally normal relationship for valentine's today.
Do you think when Jared ghosts her now a days she still blames Heidi even though they are separated? Or now does she blame the drama? OR is she smart enough to realize he is doing the same thing to her she encouraged him to do to his own wife?
Heidi mentioned in her stream that one of the biggest suprises when reading the affair texts between the two was that Jared was as ghostly and shitty to Holly as he was herself, so we know it wouldn't be new behavior
I genuinely dont know who has it worse, Jared for having Holly or Holly for having Jared. I'm constantly flip flopping
Also he is really, REALLY trying with this Lady Pelvic, huh? It screams of "hey small sexy up and comer I'm a YouTube star I can make you famous baby"
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Confirmed not her own art. She wasn't even the one to credit the original artist
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Spot the difference
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>Do you think when Jared ghosts her now a days she still blames Heidi even though they are separated?
Reminds me of this meme …
That's some mega cringy shit right there.>>932096
Eh, for someone who thinks she's an expert on all things birds (Jared, for example), she should have known better.
I hate that I recognized that dried out cooch
Arin is the same way.
It's why he ditched animating for Let's Plays, why he brought on JonTron for GGrumps, because he needed someone with an actual personality.
Who was then quickly replaced by again, someone with a personality, Danny Sexbang.
Then whiteknighting for the popular but trendy (which will die out within the next year or so) storytime animation community against Sr.Pelo, only for that to backfire and come out with a non-apology statement and sweep it under the rug.
Supposedly she was so groveling and self-deprecating in the letter that the therapist said that it was unhealthy. So instead of over-apologizing, she under-apologized and sent nothing, then got mad that Heidi didn't spontaneously come to HER with forgiveness anyway.
Literally all took place within her own mind.
Her hometown is full of violent crime, so is Los Angeles.
I am sure Jared (probably) gave Heidi the choice of where to move to and she chose to stay in Seattle. It's definitely safer there.
Not to mention the sheer logistics in trying to move 50+ pigeons, 10+ chickens and a cat, especially if she has to try and take them across state lines/on an airline. I mean, I guess it'd be feasible if she dropped them on some already overburdened animal rescue, but then she'd truly have no personality to hang her hat on if she gives up the uwu bird lady persona.>>932527
Safer compared to LA - but I don't think it boils down to safety. Jared was the primary breadwinner and from the sounds of things, tightly controlled finances. First and last months rent, plus at least one rental truck (or even more if you hire movers) makes moving back home cost prohibitive to Heidi right now. >>932530
That might very well have been part of his motivation (though like all good abusers, I'm sure he loved the idea of getting Heidi away from people who might try to rescue her from the shitty relationship). >>932531
Heidi might not have minded moving to LA since there is a larger cosplay scene there - but the move to Seattle was DEFINITELY for Jared to pursue WoTC and/or DCA. Hoelly moved there right when Heidi alleges that the affair really gained traction, so she can pitch the "I moved for DCA too!" line all she wants; the timing is way too coincidental.
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Someone on PULL pointed this out. More proof that she just flagrantly copies other people.
Of course she is. I fully expect more tweets about us and a whiteknight (Holly) to post here soon too.>>932578
She should just go honestly. Giving them that much power over her after all they've done to her is silly.
Butthole eyes can copy whatever she wants, but you know if someone copied her, she would be playing the victim
and reeeeing about it to all her followers
She doesn't want anyone 'profiting off' her, but she can profit off anyone
she wants, because she had a bad childhood or whatever other excuse comes to mind.
That's sort of misinformation. Holly and Creepshow exchanged some public tweets (archived in a previous thread) in which Holly asks to have the videos taken down and Creepshow agrees.
Later, in one of her Rewired Soul videos, Creepshow mentions/shows a private message exchange with Rewired where he
uses "Holly hurting herself" as an example to try to bait and manipulate Creepshow. She seems concerned that the hypothetical example might be real, but it's not confirmed. Here is the video, and the screenshot is visible in the background through most of it.
Not defending Holly because she's publicly admitted to emotionally self-harming by seeking out hate comments. But anyway, here's the source.
Personally, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth that she didn't say. Who knows if she a.) thinks of it as her own personal Thing, b.) doesn't want to be accused of cultural appropriation, c.) made it up, or what. Not about to cowtip over it, but wish I knew. It must be esoteric indeed if it's a manuscript with a seeing hand in the context of European witchcraft (i.e. Holly's "aesthetic.")
Since people have a hair trigger
in this thread: I'm not accusing Euro witchcraft of being an aesthetic, I'm accusing Holly of not being a sincere believer.
Anons are really harping on drawing inspiration from other artists now.
The milk must be very sour.
The image seems like it's based on other depictions of Pieter van der Heyden's Hand of Glory, a 16th Century Flemish print maker.
Searching google for it brings up a lot of similar images to Holly's but it looks like she used that then tossed some more Witchy things on it.
I can see that being an inspiration.
I googled the original leggings from Sovrin and it turns out those were based on Tenome from Japanese 18th century lore. They're some sort of monster with eyes on their hands.
So she definitely didn't come up with her own design. She copied it from Sovrin and added some chicken feet.
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it's straight up copying anon. do you remember when someone made a parody of holly's fugly ass "Cancelled" teeshirt and holly got it reported and taken down asap? do you remember all the times she and wormdick wept on twitter about people "capitalizing and making money out of their suffering"?
not to mention as other anons have pointed out that since this kinda stuff is simply an aesthetic for holly that she can creep in like a skin and molt out of when convenient, it just adds another layer of scum to her behavior. but it's just holly being holly, what else is new, i guess?
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I mean really. Last I checked, art theft was a huge deal. Both independent artisans and huge corporations get a ton of shit when they're caught lifting designs. It's hard to support oneself as an artist, and they deserve to have their IP respected. If that's hard to understand, imagine your coworker getting paid for your hours instead of you.
If she is going to slim her face out and filter into oblivion why doesn't she edit those atrocious brows?
Anyone watch the show she is talking about being on? Wondering if she plays a hobo trash vampire?
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i don't watch it, but i remembered her sharing artwork for the show waayyy back when
i'm going to give you one
guess for which character holly might be playing
that's the whole point. it got taken down because doing this stuff is stealing IP, so clearly this concept is not completely lost on the trash bitch. she's stealing art on purpose and passing it off as "uwu i got inspired and made the exact same thing"
maybe try to measure yourself with the same yardstick as you do the world, holly
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Almost called it. She's a hobo trash werewolf.
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Nah, she's always played as a version of Strix
So Strix AND Diath are both of their childhood self-inserts? Fucking LOL, makes it better that they ruined their show.
Also explains what Heidi said in her tell-all stream that Holly would constantly tell Jared she wish she met him in high school and all that bullshit. Also, looking back, she was basically saying "I wish I met you before Ross" which is pretty fucked up
Is this true? Because if it is, that would make it hilarious considering Holly & Jared's WKs consistently taunted Heidi by calling her a 'spinster' & forever alone & trying to twist the knife by elaborating how she "goes to bed alone at night while Jared & Holly have each other
" & are always gushing about the 'triumph' of irl-Striath.
Also funny how Holly preaches about how 'mistress' & 'homewrecker' are SO abhorrently sexist, yet her stans love
calling Heidi a bitter spinster, or a 'typical' single cat-lady, etc…
if anything it is exactly the opposite. There is only one other person besides Holly that has been confirmed had sex with Jared while their poly lasted - the uno girl, which Heidi confirmed is a real story. No other fans or women came forward even at the height of the story when Heidi was asking for information for cheating and so on. While we know from Heidi's own admissions that she has had sexual relationships with multiple women and her poly SO. And before you say "IT WAS PLATONIC", go read what the definition of platonic is and then read again what the text between Heidi and Jared said when Heidi was together with her SO at a convention and Jared was not.
We don't even know if the poly was really called off or when. She called off Holly, that's obvious; but she allowed Jared to go have sex with uno girl again in March 2018.
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Blowing off her streaming schedule yet again, what a surprise
1. Will Jared go with her
2. How can she afford to take all this time off
3. Is this a breakdown from seeing the pussyeyes shop lol
Yeah the livestream forest walk thing is something I wouldn't recommend.
Sure Seattle isn't a hotspot for gang violence like their previous residence Los Angeles, but it still has it's fair share of psychos. Like Jared, Hoelly and of course OnionBoy is around the block too.
I'd say she's finally
taking a break from social media, but you know she's gonna stay 'connected' the entire time.
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Jared tweeted this a bit before Holly tweeted that she'd be going camping. Maybe they did go together? Although he says he'll be back wednesday and Holly says she'll be back later in the week.
She's already posting Instagram stories and following new accounts. Cause you sit on your phone and scroll IG when you camp, right? As much as she pretends to be soooo in touch with nature, she only uses it as an aesthetic like everything else.>>933323
I bet Holly dragged him out there by saying she'd pay for the trip. I can't see Jared as someone who enjoys camping. Holly saying "later in the week" also gives her an excuse not to stream for longer, which is what I think this trip was for to begin with
Here is her mindset: well Strix would do and like these things so I do!
You are NOT Strix, Holly. Jared is NOT Diath.
For someone who complains alot about how much the drama impacted her income she sure doesn't want to work. Does she think she just deserve patrons and donations for existing?
Also, I feel bad for the poor son of a bitch who has to watch those birds
Taking care of dozens of birds, cats, and chickens when you know the nearest vet is a MAYBE 10 minute drive and where you could probably uber to the pet supply store is a lot different than being in the middle of the fucking woods, Anon.
>"I think 'camping' is being mistaken here for 'going off the grid'"
Because when 99% of people go camping, they mean in tents where they do outdoor activities - not spend most of their time updating their followers on facebook/twitter via their cell phones.
February 2018 = Confession of their feelings
February 2019 = Jared breaks up with Heidi (while he was dating Holly)
February 2020 = Anniversary
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not that anon but that's definitely a cold sore. girl has herpes
Holy shit you're right anon!
Slander doesn't mean anything on here, anon.>>933477
This is a very decent guess for herp lip Hoelly.
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not a hoelly wk (and agree that slander don’t mean shit here) but it doesn’t look like herpes to me, herpes is usually like pretty well defined blister that you can see from a mile away like op posted.
i have dry skin and also a terrible shameful habbit of picking at the skin on my lips/chewing on my lips (which only ever gets 10x worse during winter and being outdoors) and that’s what that looks like to me. that looks exactly like she ripped off a little piece of skin right there, because that always ends up looking like little specks of red, like pic related
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plus you can see her lips and nose are a bit crusty/flaky even through the filter, so I would bet money that’s what it is
(again not defending her because it’s still a disgusting bad habit. but it’s not an uncommon anxiety uwu response either)
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the usual pics of cold sores are always exaggerated but when going through the stages of healing they look like what holly has. it doesnt help she filters the shit out of her pictures.>>933523
true but it's still funny because holly and society deems it as a scarlet letter of sorts and shames people for it nonetheless. it's even funnier because everybody treats heidi like the homewrecker but she doesnt have herpes kek
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But I thought Holly was a pure innocent asexual birb mom?
Light colored hair suits her much better imo
(But that wouldn't be witchy/Strix like so it's a No Go)
Yeah. Seems like she's trying desperately to 'go goth' but lighter, pastel colors just seem to work way
better for her looks-wise imo.
This whole 'dark artist' look just… doesn't compliment any
of her better features & she just looks like she's sick all the time (in a 'gross' way, not in the 'edgy & deep' way)
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disgusting lip-chan here, nah that still doesn’t look anything like even a healing one. even healing ones have the more oval blistery shape, and they keep that shape all through healing, that’s just a tiny speck and it’s still within her lip line, not spreading to the skin around her lips
dude trust me that’s skin picking, not herp. it still happens on the edges of the lips like that because if you’re pulling on lip skin it will end right at the barrier where your lip and face skin ends (ie picking lips never extends to the face skin) like bottom pic related. that’s why there’s that clear red line of irritation and the bottom edges of her lips as well
probably just from cold weather though, it’s a viscous cycle during winter of >oh no my lips are dry and flaky>pick flakes off>oh no that made it worse and more flaky>pick flakes off>oh no that
again not trying to wk, i’ve just had the issue my whole life and i know it when i see it
Gatekeeping what is and isn't nature. Nice.
There's a coffee shop in West Yellowstone National park. You could get coffee there and carry it a few blocks into the park. Does that mean Yellowstone isn't nature?
Most people in Yellowstone don't spend their quality "time in nature" updating their insta followers.
You might stop and get coffee (I'd encourage it at this time of year, considering how fucking cold it gets in the mountains), but your first instinct probably wouldn't be to take a snapchat selfie for your followers.
Yall that’s clearly not herpes, this is getting beyond tinfoil territory if you’re now accusing heidi and jared (and by extension ross) of having herpes too based on nothing
I mean, it’s entirely possible she does have it considering how common it is but that’s definitely not what that is in that pic and there’s no reason to assume heidi has it at all
stop tinfoiling and get back to the real milk
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do you also do this anon>i KNOW i shouldn't be online but got dang those sweet sweet twitter likes
you can't be anymore obvious with that tumblr speak>>933885
gatekeeping? yellowstone is a tourist destination of course it'll have a coffee place and probably a gift shop, but our uwu speshul garbage witch portrays herself to be in touch with nature that doesnt have gift shops.
it's hypocritical to say you're going camping and ending up at a starbucks. literally the opposite of the whole "camping experience".
Makes sense, he probably would wear his ring around Heidi and tell her he wanted to fix things then go on stream where he knew Holly would be watching and take it off so that his narrative to her that Striath was endgame and that she was infact his true love uWu wouldn't be damaged
Also, were these the same streams he told Unogirl about that he would look at fans' nudes to get hard on camera during? Feel like a lot of people skip over how completely wrong and gross that is
If that "book" is more than one chapter long, and that chapter consists of anything other than "Holly = good, Heidi = bad, haters = unfair", I will be laid out with shock.>>934251
I don't buy that she quit reading. I think anytime the attention around her drops (or her and Jared argue/he ghosts her), she comes looking at lolcow so she can pretend she's still relevant.
the character all the way on the right seems to be played by the lideejaah lady. did you watch this show though, are they any good? i was wondering how good the other characters are, it looks like an interesting setup>>934441
i wonder how a bird who's used to free-roaming indoors is going to adjust to farm life. i know they're not people, but it's gotta have some effect on the poor critter? "uwu i can't shit on the ground, i need a complete bed and pillow set"
nta but you will find it in the first couple of the projared-holly threads. unogirl claimed it in her first reddit post. it had gems like:>jared looked at fan nudes while streaming>jared stood naked in his windows waiting to get spotted>jared ejaculated prematurely in a threesome once
the source is unogirl kek but at that time she was super salty at jared having ghosted her and then being outed as a cheater, so there's little reason to doubt the truth of it
It wasn’t uno girl. It was another anonymous reddit accuser who claimed to be 15 at the time of their interactions with Jared. They also claimed to have reported him to the DOJ but nothing ever came of that. People seem to forget that one, but people also confuse chai and charlie so pjthowaway23(uno girl)vs projburneraccount(the alleged 15 year old) is even more confusing.
All uno girl talked about was sending nudes back and forth and going to a couple cons to hook up with him after which he ghosted her.
I’d link to the posts but with the original projared subreddit being privated it renders both posts inaccessible though I’m sure there’s an archive somewhere.
Regardless if this was something he did it doesn’t surprise me with his constant send nudes “jokes” on tumblr.
samefag - sorry - found the post >>805220
it wasn't unogirl, it was the person who claimed they were 15 year old and had contacted the DOJ regarding jared and then vanished off of reddit. so maybe take it with a grain of salt? it WOULD be funny as fuck though if it wasn't so completely vomit-inducing.
you're right. there's so many anonymous confessions against jared that i get confused, and yet his fanboys are way too quick to dismiss them. i'd say the sheer number of accusations should make one seriously consider the possibility, at the very least.
>if this was something he did it doesn’t surprise me
it doesn't seem far-fetched to me either, all of his actions are basically the same predatory tendencies manifesting in different shapes. i remember two girls posting about how he sent them nudes after
they refused wanting any, clearly this is not a boundary this man respects
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Labia Lids is using other people's mental health posts to complain about her week long anxiety. I'm surprised the twitter free, projared anniversary camping trip wasn't relaxing. Imagine her anxiety if she had normal stress like working a full time job
Have panic attacks - and it is debilitating, but Hoelly using it as a "You can't be mean to me - I have anxiety!" bit drives me up the fucking wall.
You don't have anxiety, you dumb sow - What you're feeling is GUILT, not anxiety.
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Oh she’s definitely still reading lolcow. “Waaa waaa my appeawance and my labia eyelids”
Kinda like calling someone "abusive
" or "unfixable" to justify your sociopathic ass moving across the country to fuck their husband.
How tf you gonna destroy a marriage, try to justify it by calling the wife "unfixable" then tell others to be kind.
Lmao quit projecting your faults onto other people, Holly. Maybe ask yourself why you're getting talked about this way instead of saying "uwu im mentally ill so nothing is ever my fault pwease don't hold me accountable #bekind"
From one mentally ill person to another, own up to your bullshit.
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She's still going
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this is bullying you guys
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I wouldn't call it public shaming per se. Just a brat trying to signal how innocent and victimized she is by an internet troll. Like, sure, trolls can be destructive, but throwing so much attention at someone like this changes nothing. He's not out for a conversation, Holly. Ignore him or you know, block out that shit.
"Why are you doing this to me?" just emphasizes how pathetic you are and how you never take responsibility for your own actions.
She started ranting on twitter at fucking 9am. She really needs a job, any job, that keeps her busy and off the internet.
Ugh he would support her
Her whole "be kind" thing is really reminiscent of Onision's "be human". "You can't criticize my toxic
behaviors because it's bullying, BE KIND!" Holly, you are a grown woman, you can literally just log out of twitter.
Speaking of, I wonder what she
thinks about Onision & his situation?
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Apparently she started following whoever runs that 'procancelled' blog on Tumblr…
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…Holly followed them on Twitter, I mean.
You would think that 'being out in nature' would make Holly feel better, but nope. I wonder what happened on her & Jared's little camping trip that's causing her to 'self-harm search'…
That could also be the case. Maybe she originally planned to go camping with him & he turned her down.
Maybe he's attempting a social media-blackout to avoid interacting with her?
It's my current theory, yes. She was meant to go, something happened (if he came) or something happened and he didn't go. She takes this cute cafe selfie because of course gotta look cute for ProBird, took some plant pics and called it quits earlier than suspected.
It would explain her apparent week-long anxiety… girl you are going on a camping trip, tf are you anxious about? it's literally the chance to separate yourself from social media and breathe in some fresh air and take in some nature.
It would explain her repeated pattern of answering to everyone who is sassy to her online, sealioning every tweet instead of just leaving it be. Because she keeps doing this to herself, and she admitted she does this as a form of self harm
It would explain why she suddenly followed an account on twitter that apparently hasn't mentioned them since the beginning of February. She did this more than once in the beginning.
Okay, so she's been on/off following/unfollowing this person since yesterday according to this post…https://procancelled.tumblr.com/post/190949758893/wait-no-she-just-very-quickly-unfollowed-me-again
This must be why Holly chose Jared. He's too much of a coward to tell her to stop
doing shit like this.
There were pictures of Holly taken by another person that she posted on her Instagram stories. She could have taken a friend on the trip, but I believe Jared went with her.
If I had to guess, I think she's lashing out because she was feeling depressed before the trip and expected that her time camping with Jared would magically fix all her mental issues. She was looking to feel like she did when they went on their first walk together and confessed their feelings.
But surprise, they're not Diath and Strix anymore. They're two regular people going camping. She's mad that all the special feelings she felt for Jared when their relationship was a secret is gone. She and Jared have a "normal" relationship now and it's not going to fix her problems. She's still depressed and sad and she's probably bitter she can't post pictures of Jared and her together.
Instead of looking at her own actions and choices, she blames the bullies for tainting her relationship. If only everyone would stop holding her accountable, maybe she could be happy again. It's not Holly's fault that she's unhappy, it's the people on tumblr or lolcow or twitter.
thank you anon! I had unfollowed her ages ago so I didn't see the stories. I guess he probably did go with her then, but something still happened that ruined her mood.
Yeah, not only do they not have a special relationship, it's barely normal. She is so protective of her ~personal life, as evident by those latest tweets, so I bet she's hypersensitive about it and it's hitting her where it hurts
I am also tinfoiling that her #bekind tweets are also subtweeting at jared, maybe he said or did something shitty so she's all uwu be kind, jared, look at how all my followers like and support that thought, you should too! etc
Like she would blatantly subtweet about his goddamn marriage and how much it depressed her and she'd get drunk over it. I would be so mortified if I was Jared and she starts emoposting online about my own marriage. I wouldn't put it past her to be passo aggresso to him too.
Or that her followers & WKs always go on to shit all over Heidi literally any
time someone so much as hints
to the past drama?
I think for a small point of time Jared truly was interested in Holly , or atleast Strix. Heidi said during her tellall stream that they were sexting, rping, and commissioning smut/porn of their DCA characters for MONTHS before they took their infamous walk
My guess is that Jared did have feelings for her, but once she started becoming OBSESSED with him (saying she only wanted to be with him and him with her, for example) he started to lose them. Then she was spamming him abuse articles and doing her best to make him hate his wife and divorced Ross to follow him across the country and he checked out, still stringing her along for easy sex and nudes but not reciprocating her intense feelings
yeah I mean if he ONLY sexted/slept with Holly I could maybe admit it could have been genuine feelings handled terribly but he was actively pursuing sexual content with fans, with holly, and of their RPing. While being married, too. Like he had his cake and ate it. His wife was saying ok to poly as long as she consented (the right way to do it), she was ok with the tumblr as long as it was consenting adults, and his channel was rising and he was roleplaying his highschool character on a very popular show with friends. Living the dream honestly. Until Holly wanted a bigger slice of that cake, and when Heidi said "this makes me uncomfortable", passive aggressively poisoned the lake over months and months until the whole thing crumbled, because she thought she was "saving him"
like honestly the chai/charlie drama is separate from this situation and would have had its own trajectory regardless of the drama that occurred. It only gained notoriety because of the dramatic crescendo from the NSFW snaps, Holly going apeshit, etc. On its own it probably would have faded to relative obscurity.
>>935050>Holly thinks we hate her
I mean, I do. She seems like a genuinely shitty person who tries to cope with it by masking herself behind disingenuous outreach projects, rather than acknowledge and actually work on her own flaws and insecurities.
I hold no sympathy for unrepentant abusers, especially ones that lash out at anyone that tries to hold them accountable.
Yep, nothing says #bekind like slandering someone's wife for months because you want to sleep with the husband, esp when you say you are said wife's friend too, then gaslight her, publicly armchair diagnose her while deeming her 'unfixable' to boot, and then commit adultery in your own marriage while being a mistress in another.
Yep, #bekind yall.>>933939>>933918>>933770>>933575>>933574
Sure are a lot of random defensive posts about herpaholly ITT. Hit a nerve?
It will never not be the most ridiculous to see her preach "Be Kind!" but knowing that it only applies to HER.>>934816
Second mentally ill person chiming in to tell Hoelly to shut the fuck up. When she called someone an "Unfixable Abuser" publicly while telling said person in private that it was all a mistake, she lost the right to ree about "Be kind!!!!">>934821
>"Bullying is for the weak!"
Says the bitch that literally called someone an "unfixable abuser" that came forward just to profit before waiting a whole three months to do the exact same shit herself.>>934847
Oh god, she's back on the "This is sexist to call me a mistress adulterous whore!" train.>>934855
Bingo. She HAS to know by now that her fans will aggressively attack anyone who speaks out against her, so calling that dude out specifically is just starting the hate mob.
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Looks like she got him to apologize… well, sort of.
Pretty much this. She keeps doing this and it flies right over her head that what she's doing is harassing a person right back by trying to find out more about them in order to use what she finds as ammo against them. She's a bully, will always be a bully and needs to shut the fuck up about others being bullies.
Eat shit and be kind, Hoelly.
more like, "You go first, Holly."
That is a painfully accurate comparison. >>934847
It's always sad when people co-opt feminism for something barely-related they've been criticized for. When it comes to sexism on Twitter (not to mention sexism in general) she is so far off from being a typical victim
. Etika vibes. Does she not understand how much victim
-blaming, doxing, rape threats, etc. some women get?
Which would be valid
if just joining a cause so you could point and say “look! I’m so charitable, guys!” - but if it’s a cause you truly believe in, it shouldn’t matter if it’s popular or not.
Because she was bringing it on herself, Anon. Rape Threats aren't acceptable, but you ignore them (or report them to the authorities if you honestly feel at risk) - You don't post them all over your twitter in a bid to gain sympathy.
>"She's a terrible person so it doesn't count"
You'll forgive me for not being upset over people slut-shaming Hoelly for being a ……well, a slut that was fucking a married man despite the man's wife explicitly saying "Hey, fuck other people - just not that one person"
Sex between consenting adults = great
Sex between a woman and a man behind the man's wife's back = Whore-like, slutty