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Last time on the Curse of O’Ferrall Campaign:
>Etika’s suicide trends on twitter and Holly uses it as a chance to plug her tragic bullying while barely mentioning Etika’s personal struggles >Admits she didn’t really know Etika and it was a clown emoji that showed how relevant he was to her suffering >Suffers severe backlash for the heartless concern she has toward Etika’s very different situation>Angers the black community for using a black man’s mental health struggles to gain sympathy for her white, trust fund self >Holly reveals she suffers PTSD from clown emojis >Heidi starts to appear publicly at cons as a guest >Holly responds to criticism by saying “I’m mentally ill” >Locks down her twitter while still painting Heidi as evil and then preaching the world should be kind>clown emoji
>Jared continues to have no social media presence
>GG’s garage sale gimmick doesn’t work out
>DCA still dead in the water
About DCA:>DCA is/was a popular D&D livestream DM'd by Chris Perkins (WoTC story designer)>It's cast consisted of Holly Conrad, Jared Knabenbauer, Nathan Sharp and Anna Prosser >All of them turned out to be cheaters, hooking up with each other and breaking marriages/engagements
Jared "the Wormdick" Knabenbauer>Known for having a gaming youtube channel where he reviewed games>Formed "Waffle crew", the D&D group that would soon turn out to be a dumpster fire>All hell broke lose when his ex-wife revealed he has been manipulating, abusing and cheating on her>Soon after, other victims of his started leaking chat logs and nudes>Turns out he was soliciting underage porn >Went into hiding>Throughout DCA, his D&D character, Diath, was having an on-going romance with Strix, his co-player Holly Conrad's character>Turns out they were also involved IRL, cheating on their spouses>Holly is currently whiteknighting him on twitter, while he is trying to manipulate his side-pieces from the shadows>One of his side-pieces fell for it and now is changing her initial statement, trying to get on his good side (even though he ghosted her before)
Holly "Manic Pixie Butterface" Conrad (updated from last thread; see old milk for past history):>Got into D&D, started thinking she's literally Strix - her character>Cheated on Ross with Jared the Wormdick while trying to manipulate both Jared and his wife>Once Heidi (Jared's wife) revealed her as a side hoe, she locked down everything and checked into the tumblr hospital>After getting back on the net, she started autistically defending herself and Jared, claiming she never cheated and Heidi is literally Hitler>Professional victim, her NPD can be seen from space>Emotionally abused Ross, claimed she never felt love until she met Jared>Can't stand even tiny criticism about herself, reads her lolcow thread though
Anna Prosser and Nathan Sharp>Remaining members of the waffle crew>Their D&D characters also had an on-going romance>Meanwhile Anna was married to Geoff Robinson>Nathan was engaged to a well-known voice actress Cristina Vee>Nathan's engagement got suddenly called off at the same time as Anna stated she is divorcing>Cristina Vee tweeted (and deleted) few tweets that revealed that Nathan was cheating on her with Anna and also became instantly friendly with Heidi after she tweeted about Jared's infidelity. >All in all, these people who are in their 30s decided to ruin their marriages/engagement because of a D&D game romance
Previous thread >>>/snow/826388
>Holly Conrad/Commander Holly:https://www.instagram.com/commanderholly/https://twitter.com/HollyConradhttps://www.youtube.com/user/CommanderHolly
The usual suspects:
>Minor cow Katie, rejected Arin way back when and regrets it now that he's famous:https://twitter.com/dropsofviolet
Summary of the old milk (cheese?), courtesy of anon:
Suzy "the Goose" Berhow:>Has a history of scamming fans by buying cheap jewelry from China and the likes and reselling it to fans with an absurd markup as her jewelry line or as one anon put it: "creating a really expensive jewelry line that involved very little effort on her part". Arin has to come to her defense when people find out.>Previous threads over the years were mostly about Suzy's "thyroid-related" weight gain and absurd styling choices, scamming, and how she's a ~rEaL gAmEr GuRl~ >No one seems to really have complaints about her current styling choices since she lost weight and the skunk stripe and adopted a more natural look (it's much closer to her twin sister Jean's)>Suzy was a "model" when younger, and will still constantly repost the same pictures from her past over and over again, in case anyone forgot>There sometimes seemed to be some unspoken tension between Suzy and Holly. Suzy seemed to give off the vibe of being uncomfortable not being the only cool gamer gurl in the GG group, especially when up against a girl that seemed to prefer and respect.>Seems plausible that she prefers being the female center of attention given the theory that JonTron's swift and dramatic departure from GG was due in part to some beef between Suzy and Jon's girlfriend at the time. IIRC this is still all just speculation. (Jon's too big of a topic, read that one on your own for the full backstory)>A/N: I would be kind of surprised if she showed any support for Holly at all, but maybe that's just me
Holly "Manic Pixie Nightmare Girl" Conrad (Backstory/Pre-Divorce):>Holly is a talented cosplayer/craftsman/special effects artist and well respected in the community, even appearing on Syfy's "Heroes of Cosplay">Was one of the main focuses of the 2011 Documentary "Comic-Con Episode IV: A Fan's Hope" (directed by Morgan Spurlock)>Originally gained notoriety for her Commander Shepard/FemShep cosplay>Married to Ross O'Donovan, beloved animator and member of the GG Family, from 2012 to 2018>When it came to Arin/Suzy vs Ross/Holly most people preferred Ross and Holly, because they felt less fake and Holly was famous separate of Ross, not riding her husband's coattails like Suzy.>Was best buds with Jared's wife Heidi, another talented and respected cosplayer/craftsman>Apparent tragic backstory = quirky anxiety uwu. I don't really know the whole backstory on this one, not sure if it really matters. >But was apparently close to ger grandfather and inherited his house(?) in Washington(?) when he passed away which was in theory part of the reason she and Ross amicably split. Jared and Heidi just also happened to live in Washington.>Other speculated factors included Holly being asexual (lmao), the toxic GG fan-community, "having codependency issues", and wanting to leave LA while Ross wanted to stay>Publicly their divorce was mutual, amicable, and came as somewhat of a shock….OR WAS IT?>Basically all this drama is so juicy because Holly "quirky manic pixie dream bird gurl, asexual anxiety, luvs animals so obviously wouldn't hurt anyone uwu" Conrad was the surprise plot twist villain we never saw coming
Heidi of the House O'Ferrall, Hell Hath No Fury, Giver of Zero Fucks, Destroyer of Careers>I've followed Heidi for years for cosplay stuff, so I can only speak from that perspective but I don't think there's really much else to say about her>I think some people in the cosplay community found her kind of cocky, but she didn't seem to really rock the boat too much>She's a much more detail oriented and talented craftsman than your average costhot. Produces tutorials and shows her work in progress pretty in depth (not as common with cosplayers these days, so I think she's appreciated for that)>IIRC she has a degree in Theatre/Costume Design, so if she's cocky her work quality at least backs it up>Personally I followed her for a long time for cosplay stuff without ever even knowing who she was married to or who ProJared was. Can't speak for others, though I'm sure it didn't hurt her popularity>"She had sex with my husband", top 10 anime deaths of all time
Jared "Pigeondick" Knabenbauer>I've actually never really known or cared about ProJared or NormalBoots before this, I just wanted to call him a Pigeondick.>Maybe someone more informed can give a backstory, though again I'm not sure if it really matters>big yikes >>804556
Previous GG Threads:>Jon vs Dan speculations, are the Suzy nudes real or fake, blah blah blah, old news. Seriously, don't ask to be spoonfed this old dried up milk. Go read about it on your own. >There is a whole subreddit dedicated to GG Rule 34 where they sexualize the girlfriends/wives as well as the grumps called r/polygrumps. Suzy once long ago tweeted in support of polygrumps, but it seems like an especially toxic corner of their already toxic fanbase. I doubt she would confirm that support today.>GG sells a merch line called Game Gyaru "based on Arin and Danny, reimagined as female characters inspired by the anime series Dirty Pair, named Arina and Daniella respectively". It's a blatant tracing of the characters from "Dirty Pair" that they did not initially acknowledge.>GG release body pillows of Dan and Arin. They sell out very quickly. It's gross: >>792883>Guess what Jon's an even worse blatantly sexist/racist person than we ever could have imagined>Katie/Suzy/deviantART
Katie (Most recent GG drama unrelated to PigeonGate 2019 ):>Suzy claims she and Arin have been together since 2002. Arin's mysterious deviantART ex Katie shows up from an apparent cryogenic sleep after 10+ years and throws an insane hissy-fit about how Arin was pursuing HER during that time and she turned HIM down. >Thinks Suzy poisoned Arin against being BEST FRIEND her despite the fact that she was married, disappeared from the internet, lived across the country, and was definitely leading Arin on for some time. Arin seems to have bought her some gifts in this time.>Claims any of this is important at all because she was Arin's inspiration for a character "a woman being beaten and raped but wanting Egoraptor to be her knight in shining armor even though she's an ex-assassin">Now obsessed with Arin/Suzy/GG, obsessed with the notion that Suzy is somehow copying her every move and personality trait (again, despite the fact that she just now reemerged and Suzy was probably ~13 when all of this started)>Consensus: Arin was a dumb teenage boy who was probably involved with both of them, the situation makes Suzy look incredibly sane. Also it's been 17 years who gives a shit. (Guess what: Katie does)>Obviously overshadowed by current milk, but I just feel like we haven't seen the last of Katie. Probably in like 5 years she'll catch up on the current drama and have a real hot take.
I hope it's okay. I thought anons worked hard enough in the character descriptions I should just lump it all together. I ordered them from worst (pedo) to most boring (GG's fart jokes).
>OP image still kills me.
I can't believe anon even photoshopped the shirt blue. Jared's smug face kills me every time.
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G'bless you anon for turning this back to a general thread. Last thread was honestly such a headache.
Speaking of, can anyone tell me what the final say was on Jared and AKon? Was he actually there and did he actually get kicked out? Lurking gets kind of confusing when all the caps posted are from Holly/Holly stans denying everything (even if it is to point out how ridiculous and insane they're being).
Also not sure if this has been pointed out before, but I went to Heidi's website (as linked on the AKon website) and this thumbnail and vlog are still front and center on her homepage. Yikes.
Most likely Holly and the stans are correct. Only two random posts mentioned it, one with only 2 followers and the other with a "dead" phone that couldn't take a picture. No mention otherwise and no confirmation from Heidi who seemed to have a nice, stress free time there.
It could have been some real cream, but I guess it's nice that Heidi could be 100% away from that predator.
Well…I wonder why she kept it…It's probably the most used footage that drama blogs used when the story broke. Maybe Heidi hasn't even touched her website since she's dealing with the divorce and her business? If I were her, I'd delete that.
Yup, this. The poly thing has no real relevance because what happened that Heidi is calling cheating happened after they agreed to be monogamous again; after Jared was telling her they're monogamous and telling her he wasn't doing anything with Holly. When those texts came about that he was indeed still doing things with Holly was when Heidi felt he was cheating; she allowed him to fuck uno girl so it's not as if only she was getting something during poly time even if you do believe she had more than long distance ftm thing.
I was willing to believe maybe thinking Heidi is a snake was just a matter of opinion/perspective difference - or that I had missed some juicy details. But after reading the discussion against Heidi I'm just convinced that those anons couldn't be assed to read the actual drama.
>>829698>>829684>>829680>'I met snakes and she's one of them'>changed the conditions of her relationship when poly brought on severe problems in a troubled marriage>saw bad behaviour by her ex husband under a new light when his awfulness couldn't be redeemed anymore despite all efforts and corrected her idealised view of him>not manipulative and slick, more of an emotional brute with understandable outbursts of passion
This ain't what a snake is
People changing their goddamn mind does not make a snake
People make decisions that they regret
all the time. Doesn't mean they can never go back on anything ever.
told Jared that she didn't want Polyamory anymore, broke up with the long-distance person to show that she really
meant it. He either wasn't listening, or lied to her & told her that he'd do the same.
I'm thinking Heidi has been quietly putting up with Jared's behavior for quite a while, but the moment she started to say "No" and/or actually put her foot down, that
was when Jared suddenly started complaining that she 'made him anxious'.
Yup, this is the crowd who does not get consent at all, wholesale. They don't get how being pressured into something changes things (and worrying that your husband is about to check out of your marriage and is unwilling to fix things while he's chasing other people is pressure
), and that if you consent to X with someone, it isn't a season pass for them to go wild in perpetuity.
I guess we ought to be glad no one's fucking them, at least, no reason to worry about them not understanding withdrawal or denial of consent there…
I also find it real interesting that Heidi is put to fault for "reacting emotionally" like that's unreasonable in her circumstances lol
She may not be perfect, but let's be real, she didn't fuck up his car or throw his shit out on to the front lawn and sell his dog just to vent her emotions. Holly, meanwhile… now there's an irrational, over-emotional, unthinking basic-ass bitch for ya.
>She may not be perfect, but let's be real, she didn't fuck up his car or throw his shit out on to the front lawn and sell his dog just to vent her emotions.
"B-bUt ShE STOLE
HiS gOlD pLaY bUtToN!!1!"
Anon, I really don't think Holly is concerned about a healthy relationship, considering she has admitted to reading through the negative posts on twitter as a form of self harm.
Any sense of "healthy" went out the window months ago
This, sadly. All Holly cares about is getting her way and being right. She's completely infatuated with him for god knows why and she can't be reasoned with.>>829770
B-but anon, he had feelings for her! Of course they're together!!
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I've seen a bunch of comments on twitter in the last week from people saying as soon as Holly blocked them, so did Jared. I don't think he's done with her yet.
I stopped feeling sad for her "being so fucked up" when she thought it was okay to turn around victimize Heidi using the same line of thought ("She's got BPD - She's unfixable! She's crazy!")>>829778
That's definitely Holly's M.O. - A lot of people shared their experiences with abuse and Holly would pop up to call them out when she wasn't even mentioned in the thread by name.
I felt like this until she said her thing about how "multiple therapists have said Heidi is unfixable."
It was disgusting and harmful. Either Holly was lying, Jared was lying to Holly, or the multiple therapists she was talking about are not credible because no therapist would ever say that about a patient (to the patient, to family, to anyone.) and therefore their opinion on Heidi can't be trusted.
And her apology for it basically amounted to "I personally don't think anyone is unfixable" which was not clearing up that the statement was hateful vindictive ableist bullshit in the first place.
And then the Etika stuff was just the gross icing on the rotten cake.
He would have to be closely following every argument she gets into to be blocking so fast, and tbh he doesn't seem like the type to read all the shitstorm that's been going on.
But then again, who knows, maybe he's watching to make sure holly doesn't say something that incriminates him further (legally speaking)
The unfixable line really did it for me. There’s no way she can walk that back. People aren’t unfixable, Holly, it’s whether they chose to seek help or wallow in their issues (or if help isn’t available to them, like Etika). No one is unfixable, even you. According to Heidi, she has gotten help and counseling, and I feel like she’s gonna rise above this and become an even better person. Meanwhile, Holly, it’s you who chooses to use your mental illnesses for sympathy and a placeholder for actual personality rather than get the help that is so accessible to you, just because you don’t want to face your faults, and you want to keep blaming your illnesses for your shitty actions.
B-But anons, their characters are together so they must be together too!>>829777
I think this too. Holly probably told Jared that she can monitor his twitter so he doesn't have to see the hate. Jared doesn't seem to be the type to go all militant on his Twitter like Holly's crazy ass does.
I was looking through his Twitter the other day and all the articles he's linked or tweets about him from other users are all ”unavailable”.
Part of me wonders if those dead links are being deleted, or if he's just deleting Heidi mentions.
Nah, I think if she does have access to his twitter, then he probably told her she's not allowed to do anything but block people, and she's so dickmatized she'll do anything he says. Her pretending to be Jared on his twitter is a terrible idea anyway, as it could get him in real trouble legally.
He's definitely using her to deflect negative attention, which is why no one is telling her to stop being such a fucking disaster online. My bets are on him biding his time to see which way the public perception sways, and if he gets desperate he will use Holly as a scapegoat - "She fed me all this abuse stuff that I believed to manipulate me!" - as a last ditch effort to get back in people's good graces again.
"as it could get him in real trouble legally"
Dude solicited pictures from fans online with no real way to know if they were being honest about being legal or not. He clearly thinks with his junk and not his brain when it comes to women/getting his.>>829863
My money is on Jared pitching them to maintain some semblance of "Let's save our marriage!" to Heidi and Holly is just assuming it was Heidi being vindictive
lol Holly seems WAY too much of a control freak to let him take over her Twitter. If anything, he's probably just collaborating with her on ways to "prove the haters wrong" and sitting near her as she spergs out.
also him saying shit like "my mother verbally and sexually abused me as a child and that's why I'm so uwu damaged and innocent" is taking impersonation too far. plus the entirety of her taking advantage of poor Etika. that has Holly written all over it.
Unless he's going for double character assassination with his wife AND Holly, but I think he genuinely doesn't care about Holly enough to try to ruin her reputation so completely. It's so much more likely that he's just gonna drop her once the risks of her instability outweigh the convenience of her puss.
If it was the photo of the puppets that was shown two threads ago, then those puppets were hella ugly so my bet is that Jared got rid of them.>>829888
She would have good reason to as well. What kind of doormat wife would ever allow that? Holly seems to think that wives should just let their husbands do whatever the fuck they want while they stay at home and cry about it.
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i think these idiots have taken heidi's "trying to see how much mileage you have" as a personal challenge lol
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so someone's been lurking, check out the shiny new display picture
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her timeline is a marvel of human thought lmfao. jimmies have certainly been rustled
have to wonder why she's deleted 19 tweets in 3 days though.
Also something I don't recall seeing discussed here (and if it has been I apologise for not noticing) but GG were mass deleting Projared content a month before all this went down.
It seems too coincidental to not be related https://reddit.app.link/8zAaGuiWXX
I remember reading that, too. It would be hilarious if true because Holly insists it was definitely stolen. She knows
Heidi stole it. She seent it!
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Here's a cap since this is an image board. I'm pretty sure they did this either after Chai and Charlie contacted them about Jared's misconduct or when Jared discreetly started the process of stepping down from Normal Boots.
you just straight murdered me anon lmfao>>829957
no wonder she's perfectly happy with the internet running on some stupid "honor system no need to prove ur age uwu"
He didn't start seriously drawing them until he and Holly separated.
So I do wonder if he felt guilty about them (read as made to feel guilty by Holly)
Since they're sexualized/"idealized" (big boobs/hips, small waist) I'm sure Holly had a major complex about them. She probably thought she was literally competing with fictional doodles even though Ross seemed pretty supportive and affectionate right up to the end.
Tinfoil but I kind of wonder if Holly became "ace" because she was intimidated sexy. A lot of women think Ross is extremely attractive. Maybe she was more comfortable banging Jared because he's more on par with her in terms of appearance.
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i feel like being/feeling sexy has everything in the world to do with confidence and not as much to do with someone's actual looks, which is why actual hambeasts end up becoming popular instathots and someone with a normal enough body like holly feels they have to hide under fifty layers
i don't really think she was intimidated by 2D images but by god the keks will be had if she was. she definitely comes off as the type who'd throw shade at pretty chicks or stop her husband from talking to other women if they look better than her though lmao, wonder how she got on with DCA with Anna prosser right alongside her in every single video>>829980
any interesting caps?
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nevermind, found some. this bitch is bats
umm, you must be absolutely blind anon if you think someone saying "hey your attention to detail is amazing!" or "let's meet for drinks sometimes" does not
mean they want to fuck the other person into next year.
this is just like holly to have other friendless, socially inept incel females defend her to the point of demonizing simple routine interaction lmao
Is this the 14 year old "friend" Holly was talking about? Lmao this sweet summer child doesn't realize that this only makes Holly look worse for coaching/mentally grooming her underage fans.>>830006
She certainly looks 30 but it's probably a stolen picture, "cassandra" types an awful lot like the men on kf.
I like that this "kid" acts like Heidi is personally acknowledging her at all and that it is all her doing that people are calling her out for being a dumbass.
This whole "I did it to see if the stories were true" reeks of Holly's "I'm doing this for research" line of thought
She only does that to scream at someone and make sure everyone can see her TRUTH
She's like Onision, but a coward. And that says something.
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God I almost forgot what a void of personality Holly is. Also had a real laugh at this>Through the fire and pain and all those who stand in the way, blah blah blah true love wins in the end>Those who stand in the way
No wonder Holly retreated into her safespace, her die hard followers are as devoid of empathy and brain cells as Holly herself. Heidi wasn't just some "meanie" standing in the way of "true love". She was a person who Loved someone and made a commitment to them but was abused and gaslighted for months, if not years. The fans (both the underage and not) were not just "evil" standing in the way, they where exploited and manipulated by a "famous" internet personality whom they placed their trust in.
This references the story of the characters in DCA who fought and bled and eventually found love. Sure there's a parallel, but just because there is one that doesn't mean the original poster intended that.
You can speculate on Holly's interpretation all you want, but it's not like you have anything other than your opinion of her to go off of.
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"Cheating is a part of relationships"
I pity the partners of any Holly WK's at this point if they honestly believe the shit they're spewing.
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I don't honestly know how Holly can't see how she wasn't being manipulative and abusive
herself towards Jared (not that he gets any sympathy from me) for constantly trying to make him think he was being abused.
It's no different than those crazy people who try to convince and coach kids into telling false stories of abuse.
>>829933>goes after someone and calls them insecure and a "thot">"W-Why are people being mean to meeeee?? I'm just 14!!"
"I'm 14" is the new "I'm sorry, I'm mentally ill".
Which, by the way, I doubt. Otherwise, judging by the profile pic, it'd be a very rough 14.
Sage for sheer technical idiocy, but how did you get her tweets all in a row like that?
Don’t get me wrong; I appreciate you grabbing them but I’d like to add them in the dark mode theme because pink on white is a bit much.
God damn, Holly's WKs should be put on some kind of watch-list.
This weirdo, Denica, & Dan "I've consulted with the discord & we've come to the conclusion that Heidi is 100% lying" Pirro seem like the kinda of people who should never be released into public. They're beyond
No worries anon.
I’ll refrain from spamming a dozen images since I can apparently only get one Heidi per ss
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I can’t blame Heidi for exploding after ignoring all these for the last month. I hope she steps away from the internet and takes care of herself when she’s finished saying her piece.
Heidi has BEEN taking care of herself - working on her new place, taking care of Aries, going and planning on going to various conventions. Her talk of this thing has been minimal.
It's been Holly that can't seem to avoid bringing it up once every five minutes.
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>"I don't think it's intentional"
Oh yeah, Heidi is definitely abusive! Just look at how she… says that Holly… probably doesn't intend to cause others pain?…
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>I don’t think it’s intentional.
I do. Holly has already admitted that she seeks this out as her uwu form of self harm.
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At this point, how can ANYONE see Heidi as 'evil & vindictive'?
Look at this shit.
I'm legit furious. How the fuck could anyone defend Holly.
This just sounds like admittance of Holly to abusing Ross (which is believable)
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When "Evil THOT bitch ex-wife" is a million times more relatable than the "Mental Health (uwu) Advocate"
If on browser, you click the time stamp. I assume same for mobile browser.
In app you just click the tweet and it will show the whole chain.
If there's multiple replies it can get kind of confusing and messy, but you get used to it. I use the official app, I dunno how it goes on others.
Yes I hate when people use the suicide/self-harm as a way to show their hurting is more legitimate than somebody elses.
Just because someone doesn't have mental health issues and doesn't just jump straight to "i cant handle this i feel suicidal" doesn't mean their hurt isn't incomparable.
I agree. I deal with anxiety-related mental illness and would never dream of using the "I'm sorry, I'm mentally ill" as a way of getting people off of my back when I fuck up.
I don't know what therapist Holly is going to, but she needs to fire him immediately - No mental health professional worth their weight would ever condone making ones self into a victim
the way she does.
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Honestly, the only way that Holly can redeem herself is to come clean.
Heidi and Ross are making the smart moves - moving on with their lives and projects and not focusing on the shitshow that is Holly at this point.
She keeps saying she doesn't know how to get people to move on, but the solution is simple, Holly: Shut the fuck up about "omg they're so mean to meeeee" and move on. Post about upcoming projects or things you are doing that do NOT revolve around defending an adulterous pedophile who abused his fame the way he did.
Yeah, her apologies don't mean shit when she exhibits the same -dare I say- abusive
patterns time and time again
Step 1: Say something stupid, wrong, or inflammatory
Step 2: Get called out for it
Step 3: Block people calling you out
Step 4: Temporarily lock down your twitter
Step 5: Come back and issue an apology
Step 6: Rinse and Repeat
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Holly never shuts up about the situation, but the very moment Heidi actually addresses it people come right out of the woodwork telling her she's 'obsessed' wtf
The worst part anon is that she defends her shitty statements to death, argues then starts blocking.
Oh and she doesn't come back with an apology. She comes back with excuses and passive aggressiveness.
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>"trying a polyamorous relationship is beyond effed up"
Oh you poor, sheltered, child…
>"you all are effin childish for dragging this to social media"
Couldn't have done it without Jared!
>"so stop complaining already"
This is the first time she's brought it up in about a month, wtf?
I almost ripped that dude a new asshole when I saw his tweet earlier. Like, I'm sorry that Heidi tried to create a healthy poly dynamic and revoked her consent when she realized that Jared was unwilling to respect the very basic ground rules she had set forth.
Also, very sorry that Heidi had to defend herself because your lord and savior, Sir PedoDouche, went and made a public statement and blocked her she should couldn't respond privately. What a bitch /s
Even if Heidi didn't talk about it, she'd still have hordes of people attacking her on Holly's behalf.
If people are okay with Holly bringing it up every .5 seconds, they need to extend the same courtesy to Heidi.
Almost all of her statements about the situation have been like this: fumbling, emotionally-charged ones that make her look worse.
She's really pitched herself off a cliff with this behavior, particularly in siding with Jared, but she could save herself further trouble by just stopping, getting herself off the internet for a long time and letting interest die off. Go become a barista again, focus on getting therapy and not flipping out and "self-harming" through poring over Twitter for negative subtweets.
Of course, the milk is phenomenal as long as she continues digging herself deeper.
Can't post ss right now and this is old, but:https://twitter.com/HollyConrad/status/1144247325050589184
>Just make sure you roast with kindness. No one deserves what I’ve been through. No Heidi, not those defending her, no one.>roast with kindness>no one deserves what I've been through
At this point the victim
complex really is terminal, eh?
Poor, poor little rich white girl has just suffered. so. much.
It's been real rough on her. No one understands how difficult it was to just, like, trip and fall on her friend's husband's worm dick like that. And then lie about it. And then defend him and demonize his wife publically
. And then make a young black man's suicide all about herself. Holly Conrad sure has won the misery olympics and no mistake.
"Prepare yourselves, anons."
Short of an actual, legitimate apology and admission from Holly, nothing she does could surprise us at this point.
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>"They both said she used to be abusive."
Now, Holly calls Heidi 'abusive
' to insinuate that she's horrible unforgivable & "un-fixable". What's the truth, Holly? Does abusive
=fixable? or should someone who was abusive
NEVER be forgiven?>>830160
This just makes Jared look like a douchebag who manipulates others with crocodile tears. He told Holly one thing, while telling Heidi another.
Not really - Holly's fans that hadn't thought to follow her before she went private all went batshit and started harassing Heidi in their bird queen's absence. Heidi snapped after like 3-5 days of continuous hate.
It just happened to coincide with Holly realizing that she was going to get hate regardless of if she was privated or not.
"This just makes Jared look like a douchebag who manipulates others with crocodile tears"
So he and Holly are perfect for each other.
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One of Holly's liked posts
I can smell the irony from here….
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You'd think she'd eventually realize the irony in some of the posts she's been liking
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I saw someone on reddit call her a "Vic accuser", so I looked up what Heidi said that made them so mad, and she doesn't even accuse him of anything personally. Just confirms that he had a sleazy rep going back years.
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Heidi is 110% done with Holly's "BE POSITIVE" bullshit.
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I like this response because it's true.
You know he throws Holly under the bus when given the chance.
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Heidi isn't wrong with that last part. Holly was pushing the idea of "THIS IS ABUSE" on Jared from the jump (again, he isn't getting a free pass from me here).
if you beat someone over the head with something for long enough, they'll eventually snap and say "Fine, fuck it - you're right"
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Dan Dan "The Man" Pirro apparently doesn't understand that constantly telling someone that they are abused when they say they aren't is manipulation.
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I'm waiting for Holly's inevitable claims that Heidi's stalking her now since they happened to reblog the same post
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>"she pushed them together in the first place "
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According to Heidi, what this person is saying is accurate. And of course
Dan considers this answer 'unacceptable'
Christ on a cracker, this Dan Pirro dude is a riot. Dude just does not understand boundaries or consent at all, huh
Also he's invested as fuck in getting a "gotcha" out of Heidi. Like it's obsessive and insane at this juncture. Has he run out of handcream in his parents' garage or something?
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Dan, if you want answers, then shut the fuck up & listen. Stop piling your narrative onto them.
>Also he's invested as fuck in getting a "gotcha" out of Heidi.
Yeah, he's more obsessed with theatrics than he is with actually finding 'the truth'
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Holly's WK can't even come up with a coherent argument anymore
Maybe, but I feel like he’s just one of those people who distances themselves when they get upset
I always keep in mind these are nerd/gamer types and probably introverted so when they are quieter or more withdrawn I don't find it odd
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>"cuz the date wasnt hollys idea"
Oh my god, stop acting like Heidi cornered
Holly & told her "You WILL fuck my husband!"
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I'd by lying if I said I didn't immediately think "Oh, look at that - One more happy home that Holly got too close to and pissed off. A sweet innocent male and mean ole' wifey? Hmm…."
Holly Conrad just can not leave other couples alone even if it's her own fucking pigeons lol
Notice how she's described as "so mean" when Holly is literally upsetting a small birb by being too pushy and not keeping a healthy distance kek
Oh, if only she had a shred of self-awareness…
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>"you wont listen unless i agree with you 100%"
No Dan, that's you
. You've built up your own narrative based on the echo chamber of your discord server.
>"iv provided more than enough evidence. "
Guess what? It doesn't matter, because you are NOT one of the people involved in this scandal, no matter how much you insert yourself into it.
You don't WANT to know the facts, because they'll invalidate the little fanfic that you & the rest of Holly's bootlickers concocted.
So keep Sealioning & telling yourself that it's THEM who won't accept any facts.
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All this explains is that Holly threw a massive hissy-fit because Heidi & Jared weren't going to separate as easily are she did with Ross.
>"marriage seems like this sacred thing but it really isnt. its just another relationship the government got involved in. people change and grow apart"
Well that's nice, but not everyone has the same opinion as you do. This might sound crazy
to you Dan, but people have different values, & people view relationships differently.
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Forgot about this creepy harasser that goes by "TigerNightmare"
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Another WK has arrived!
The quotations on "totally objective" were correct to use. For 'totally batshit', well, it's easy to assume that's fact.>>830207
It's possible, but tbh I think Holly burned all her bridges with them the moment she screwed over Ross anyways.
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Dan, just stop already.
Sure, Heidi is the childish obssessed one not creepy ass Holly>>830107
literally stalking Heidi's mentions. >>830235
Lol did Borkscorpion really make another account to defend Holly? Beyond pathetic.
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You know, there is a chance that Holly LIED to Heidi about having Ross's approval/consent…
These people love to scream "What about Ross?" without giving any thought to how Holly might've treated him.
I mean I don't see Holly as ever having kids, and she doesn't need to because she suicide baits to keep people close to her.
She’s ”not like other girls” and so therefore probably has issues with empathizing with other women because of her own victim
complex, I mean it's clear she doesn't even want to associate her own existence as a Human Girl and would rather be a Bog Witch
If anything I see holly treating her own kids the way her mom treated holly
Ugly circle of abuse really
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has this been done yet?
This is the dumbest conclusion yet. Holly and Jared knew one another for years and began rping their relationship to a public audience long before any of this happened. No Heidi did not push them together, it's been alluded at that she was pressured into accepting a possible relationship between the two. Its extra shitty due to the way they likely coerced her acceptance was Holly suicide baiting and Jared calling her "crazy, abusive
" or threatening to break off the relationship altogether if he wasn't allowed to bang other chicks. Actually victim
This is great but it needs more lazy eye.>>830221
I'll make sure to only take caps on mobile from now on lmao
I don’t know, I feel like heidi is discussing it with some maturity involved
Holly not so much
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"There are dozens of us! Dozens!"
I think shes just fed up with feeling the pressure to be the more mature one and accept the harassment shes getting. (As the HIDF spams that dumb tumblr blog on all her posts) all the while Holly can run her mouth non-stop declaring her victim
hood to the whole world when she is merely being criticized. I am a little disappointed in Heidi but i think it's granted. She is just releasing some built up emotions off her chest, not ~*defending her self against the H8z*~ ala Holly. I commend Heidi for abstaining for so long since Holly has a real way of getting under your skin.
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I'm also a little disappointed that Heidi is acknowledging these people, but I'm also understand she's been getting spammed with that "truth blog" and it's only fair if she gets to vent if Holly is allowed to sperg daily.
The more that comes out though, the worse I feel for Ross. The WKs really take his silence as consent in this situation.
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You mean to tell me that Dan "Fact-Check-R" Pirro is this late to the party. They were friends for a good while!
Considering Holly continues to call Heidi abusive
publicly to this day I think it's fair. I wouldn't have been able to keep it pent up. Also considering Holly actually has a history of abusing her spouse it's even more ridiculous.
When you're the victim
of shitty situations and someone else is off running their mouth about you while everyone else is saying "be mature," you get really tired of it. I've been there, I'm surprised she's been able to hold it back for so long as well.
"Be mature" usually means to shut up and let it roll off your back, but it also means you can't ever tell your version of events, the truth you knew, or show evidence of it. You'll just be accused of being attention-seeking. It's infuriating.
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I'm surprised Twitter hasn't picked up on this person yet… They're constantly spamming + harassing Heidi
Ditto. Holly called Jessica "abusive
" for years and claimed to have panic attacks in her presence. That suddenly changed when Jessica came to her aid online.
I didn’t get much of a sense that she was attention seeking or wanted a spotlight, but she certainly wanted to be a victim
. Everyone was “mean” to her. I never got too close to her, because I didn’t want to be the next person she harped about behind their back.
Yes! This is exactly why I called bullshit the moment she said Heidi was abusive
. I don’t know her, but this is so consistent with Holly’s willingness to throw anyone who makes her feel bad under the bus, even “best friends.”
honestly (you don't need to confirm or deny, I'm just tinfoiling) it makes me wonder if Holly ended up alienating Ross from others, due to her actions. When Suzy's jewelry scandal hit the fan and Arin spoke up to defend her, although it's expected cause he's her husband it still seemed kinda weak, like at least recognize where she made a mistake rather than blame all the people online who are rightfully indignant. Whenever Ross defended Holly though, it seemed reasonable. I don't think I ever heard him speak badly of her.
I have guy friends in my life who date that one asshole chick and when they break up, their mates are like "finally man, you got rid of her, she was toxic
bro and she changed you". Like I wonder if by extension of being Holly's husband, he also got negative incidents. It must have been exhausting to constantly do mental gymnastics to be able to emotionally support your wife.
I'd believe it. She snapped on people just for calling her the "gg mom" or some shit.
She also proved that she was manipulative when she tried to manipulate people into voting for the Shepard with the ugly hairstyle even though they all had the same face, it was totally Holly! And she wanted people to vote for "her". When that one lost and the blonde one won, she whined about it in a way that kind of makes it obvious why she keeps going after Heidi. "Girls who are "different" always lose to pretty girls." and when she was talking to Heidi, "I was scared to talk to you because you're so pretty!"
Holly's always pushing her issues onto other people and making them pay for it so she can be the victim
. Even though there's no proof, >>830311
is probably telling the truth.
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I came across this format and instantly reminded me of victim clownass Holly
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Some prime denial from the resident psychos at ProJared2. This is in response to Heidi saying Jared felt manipulated.
If they're gonna talk about support networks, those say a lot, too.
Heidi's support network: Cristina Vee, lots of other cosplayers, her loyal fans, friends, and family.
Holly's support network: A bunch of #istandwithvic retards who don't even care about Holly except as a means to an end to shit on another woman, some incels who want to diddle her, and two middle aged women. And… not Jared.
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So Heidi finally pipes up after a month of being prodded by Holly's stans & WKs, & Twitter's first reaction is…
If anything, she would fake a positive test and then fake a miscarriage. The victim
act doesn’t work as well when you have dependents.
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FINALLY, someoe calls out Holly's WKs for being the creepy stalkers they are!
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Whoa! Look out! We got a badass over here!
"convinced your husband"
Right - Because I'm sure it took an infinite amount of effort to convince Jared to have sex with someone he was admittedly attracted to.
"Ruined his rep"
Spud, he used his 'fame' to solicit pictures from people without bothering to ask for ANY kind of age verification first. Heidi didn't have to ruin his rep - worm dick did it all to himself.
"Heidi ruined his reputation!!!"
If a wife (who, had holly kept her mouth shut, probably could have been written off as a bitten soon-to-be-ex) saying "he cheated" is enough to destroy a man's reputation beyond all repair, that says more about how little people thought of him from the jump.
It's like the WKs are focusing on the cheating thing, when the much bigger issue is Jared receiving underage nudes and then reposting them on a different blog (without permission, as if having the child porn wasn't bad enough)
Jared>runs porn tumblr to distribute and solicit nudes>fucks fans at cons>shows clear, explicit enthusiasm for his extramarital encounters in lengthy sexts>has extended emotional and physical affair with Holly and incorporates it into dnd>ignores Heidi's boundaries every step of the way
Heidi>has long distance platonic 'relationship' with an obvious fakeboi >extramarital encounters probably max out at cosplaying anime couples together
I cannot fathom the delusion in thinking Heidi pushed for poly. In all likelihood, she didn't want it at all and was desperate because it was either get cheated on, dumped, or be a cool girl and open the relationship. Jared is an obvious scummy horndog but she seemed to really love him, and you could tell her heart wasn't in the whole poly thing or she'd have actual side dick.
All of that. Everyone keeps saying "well Heidi had another relationship too!"
Like, yeah - a long distance, mostly emotional, relationship. Jared's side piece moved across statelines to be right there with him at all times and they blatantly ignored the guidelines Heidi put into place from the beginning.
He's right though. I'm so sick of everyone pretending Heidi is completely blameless just because she spoke first.
Hint: All three of them can be in the wrong.
for clarity. i don't know what to tell you anon but there's one clear horny bastard and one clear manipulative bitch in the story. heidi isn't blameless by far, but i really fail to see where/how she's going wrong
anon this is disgusting but i can't stop laughing. can someone oblige and make this with holly's retarded faces in all frames because jesus lmao
pottery af>>830237>"it was 3"
Dan how many accusations of exchanging lewds and sexual text with minors is "too many" for you? For most people its 1. 3 is definitely PLENTY.>>830403
Even if she does that they'll just subtweet about it and then make a new account to stalk and harass her. But it's not at all surprising, the kinds of people who are adamantly defending Holly at every hour of the day and night while simultaneously spamming Heidi with accusations and ad homonyms are deeply invested in this drama because it affirms their hatred and fear of women.
If you think this guy is right then I don't know what to say to you. Even if you believe the polyamory is somehow Heidi's fault, how the hell did she exploit him for money? They were married and we have absolutely no idea how money was handled in their relationship. How did she ruin his rep? He ruined his own rep when allegations came out that he was running porn blogs to solicit pornography from his fans.
No one is blameless in this situation but it's pretty obvious two of these people hold much more.
i really can't agree with this sentiment anon. when people say "be mature" they really mean "shut up and take it", and it might be satisfying to look at and admire someone doing it, but for the person actually going through slanderous accusations for months it's absolute bullshit.
when holly responds to this clusterfuck situation with bullshit "heidi is a vindictive bitch" statements people have been running to pat her ass and give her candy. i feel like it has to have heidi at the end of her fucking rope when she's telling her
side of the story and people are snottily telling her to "not stoop to that level. be mature" like at this point with her side of the story so completely ignored, after herself being ignored by friends and family for over a year, what is she supposed to do? if someone made me shut up one more time i would literally explode
I feel for her because this kind of "shut up and take it you're supposed to be the mature one" is an awful parallel to how Holly/Jared pushed her to "shut up and accept it because you're supposed to be the cool girl/wife". She is a human like everyone else and she even said so in her "don't idolize me" tweet.
Getting back on track can we take a moment to appreciate how Holly couldn't even make it a full week into her "mental health break" until un-privatizing her account.
Of course she could only last a few days. The only thing Holly knows how to do is be a professional victim
. Not enough people have been picking on her lately so she needed to open Twitter back up so she had reason to have another outburst.
>>830449>this kind of "shut up and take it you're supposed to be the mature one" is an awful parallel to how Holly/Jared pushed her to "shut up and accept it because you're supposed to be the cool girl/wife".
This. She basically dittoed that with the tweet talking about how she had to suppress herself in the relationship and only now that she's separated, she's able to explore and express her feelings. Well, only to a point. At least in real life she can, she seems to have the support system and professional help behind her. The internet? Someday maybe.
I know that we want a ~le epic kween to DESTROY Holly using facts and logic~ or whatever, its a very smug feeling on our end, but Heidi is just a person and she's allowed to act like it sometimes.
"a while ago" it's been, what, a little over a month since they officially announced their divorce? Less than a year since they started discussing separation? Nobody "gets over" a marriage that fast, these people are ridiculous.
I know Heidi's a "public figure" but she's still a human being going through a very shitty situation that was brought out into the public by OTHERS who were involved. Nothing about her continued discussion if this issue makes me think any less of her, nor would any rational person call it "attention seeking". She's responding to the accusations that have been consistently made against her for weeks now. Attention seeking would be behavior like oh I dunno, suicide baiting, making a tragedy about herself, bringing up unrelated trauma for sympathy maybe? Sounds like someone we know but her name ain't Heidi
>>830279>it's time to either make a video about the whole case or leave it behind
get out of here Keemstar
But seriously, I think making a video would just result in a whole new wave of harassment. She would most likely be accused of trying to cash in on the situation even if she didn't monetise the video. We've all seen how much Jared's and Holly's (as well as Keemstar's and Pewdiepie's) fans care about facts and they're far too invested in their "gold-digging vindictive ex-wife trying to bleed her poor husband dry and ruin his reputation" narrative. It would be best for Heidi to stick to venting on her personal FB and twitter.
That said, I completely understand how frustrating it must be for her to be expected to constantly turn the other cheek and stay quiet while Holly runs a smear campaign against her. I'm just glad she manages to be so composed and articulate despite everything they've put her through.>>830499>That didn’t happen.>And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.>And if it was, that’s not a big deal.>And if it is, that’s not my fault.>And if it was, I didn’t mean it.>And if I did…>You deserved it.
I'm pretty sure it's a combination of this and Holly trying to screw up the divorce proceedings in Jared's favor. Jared was told by his lawyers to shut up about everything. There's probably even an agreement with the court between the two parties to not talk about anything related to the divorce outside of court, which is pretty common. So, whether by provocation from Jared, or loyalty to he boyfriend (or whatever he is to her), Holly is gonna try to get Heidi to say something that's gonna get her in trouble in court.
Right now Heidi has all the cards on that, realistically. Assuming they haven't already come to an agreement on the dissolution, the only thing Holly and her friends are doing is metaphorically screwing Jared.
You're correct in respect to the divorce. Washington is a no fault state and adultery, with evidence thereof, isn't considered. The only time may be even remotely considered is the financial aspect, i.e. if there was a loss of money because of any hotel rooms or gifts bought for the lover during the time of marriage. Which could probably be argued considering what they all do for a living, but I get the feeling Heidi just wants this all over and done with.
However, having an online repository that contains information about potential child porn/sexting allegations and spreading that online to potentially dozens of people is a bit of a shot in the foot. The tumblr tries to make a point that Jared never "knowingly" knew any of the girls were under 18. Yes "knowingly" is part of the law, but you could probably count the number of cases that pleaded ignorance and won aquittal on one hand. It's pretty serious shit and potentially a lot more serious if the feds get involved. Which they will if he ever gets brought up on charges.
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Press x for doubt.
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Did her bio always say it was her "late sister's account", or did she change that after someone pointed out you can't have a Twitter until you're over 13?
Wow. The victim
complexes in these loonies run from the head of the flock Conrad down to these stragglers. What the actual fuck is wrong with them.
Whoa. She JUST changed it. I grabbed the screens a few minutes ago and it didn't say that then.
She might be watching lolcow?
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This was the bio before someone pointed it out. So she’s either lying about her age to gain sympathy or has been lying about her age to get a twitter account.
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At least one of her followers is calling her out on her bullshit.
That’s a girl, but she’s not 14. Let’s move on from that conversation.
It’s obvious that Holly’s fans will jump on to anything to call out Heidi and Jared’s other victims
that they won’t check their hypocrisy or for evidence of the claims against them.
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okay, okay. Sorry about the spurg. Holly stans just baffle me so much that my brain refuses to believe they are real and not bots.
Anyway, found some caps on PULL of Holly admitting being abusive
and self-harm baiting around the time they started cheating.
The only people who get over a marriage that quickly are the people who didn’t care about the marriage in the first place (my cousin is on marriage four, people like that do exist unfortunately)>>830628
I maintain that there’s no way this is really a 14 year old. No 14 year old talks like that>>830723
Yeah I have depression and anxiety too - still haven’t (and wouldn’t) suicide bait those I care about like Holly does.
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Ironic that Heidi is apparently the vindictive one here.
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She also liked this one, Anon - convenient considering that her being insecure in her body is what Heidi mentioned in the initial tweet way back when
She is a big bitch though, and her victim
complex takes up a lot of space, lol.
I mean, I'm all for body positivity and all - but it's ironic that these two tweets were liked one right after another like that.>>830828
I think if she issued a legit apology and never, ever brought up the situation again that she might stand a chance of carving out a career moving forward. But, judging by the way she keeps privating her twitter when the shit gets too hot only to come back and resume posting the same inflammatory content, I really think she's going to keep shooting herself in the metaphorical foot until she destroys what little reputation she had left.
Holly will never get her reputation back. It's all out there now in the open for anyone to easily find. When people look up her name it will be out there. She's going to always be the other woman and the lady who helped Jared reconnect with one of his victims
. She's ruined her career and reputation from the choices she made too so I don't think I could trust an apology from her. I mean we've seen her sad excuses for apologies. They are still all about her.
And yeah the Etika situation was really fucked up on her part for that. Remember, she chose to write that and tweet it. Everything done to her is because she chose it. She didn't have to. Could of walked away, but nope here we are now.
Unfortunately I honestly believe she has friends behind the scenes who will still get her onto some platform after a year or two of this blows by. It's not like it really matters regarding her because she definitely has enough money to live peacefully, I think that's partly why she doesn't have a stupid filter for her social media because she isn't struggling financially, she's a white girl who knows how to play the mental illness victim
card to the point her dumb followers/wks would probably give her donation money willingly, and it seems like she has no drive to actually further her "career" anyways considering all she seems to do is spend all day on twitter defending herself and Jared.
I still have bets she's going to make some shitty documentary about "internet witch hunting" and claim she has LIVED THROUGH IT.
>She's still finding out more stuff as time goes on
This is why people shouldn't discredit her for 'neglecting' parts of the story. When you get out of an abusive
relationship, you are left questioning everything
that happened; what wasn't such a 'big deal' back then might've been a red-flag in hindsight, etc.
Yes Holly was checked out of that relationship for a very long time. If you watch the video someone posted of her and Jared opening some card pack in Summer 2018 you can already hear and see how attached she is to Jared.
She also seemed very dom in their interaction. Not sexual dom lol but just like she wears the pants and calls the shots in a relationship and her way goes.
You could definitely see that a lot in her vlogs with Ross.
Is jared just a push over stuck between two hard headed women? Anyone who watched DCA, was Jared seen a manly man? Or a pussy whippee?
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And the wk’s just keep on being wk
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you know his silent treatment works in his favor when people ask this shit (unless they're biased and pushing their angle). won't work for a large part of the internet who sees it for what it is: avoidance, damage control and cementing his actions.
he is the worst person out of the whole bunch by far.
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how I felt about Holly's return to to the internet on day two after her radio silence at first
Both Ross and Jared are kinda cowardly. The difference is that Jared is selfish and cowardly, Ross is just a placater. Nothing wrong with that, but it catered right to Holly’s personality.
I get the sense that Heidi is also pretty strong-willed, and Jared got used to hiding things from her and getting silently frustrated that he wasn’t “allowed” to do the fucked up things he wanted to because “she wouldn’t let him” and not “that’s a horrendous thing to do in the first place.
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Get a load of this faggot.
As someone who never watched DCA, but was a fan of Jared from YouTube and Twitch streams, I can honestly see him being a bit of a pushover caught between two women who want opposing things from him. He always seemed
like a pretty decent guy, and was definitely not what anyone would call a manly man. That was part of his appeal.
But "pretty decent guy" isn't consistent with a lot of the reported behavior from his porn blogs and from Heidi. Using his status to solicit nudes from fans (including underage ones) and sleeping with UnoGirl then tossing her like a used cumrag is disgusting. As is spending months on a tightrope telling your wife you don't have a side-ho, and the side-ho you're leaving the wife. He can't blame that shit on anyone else.
As Taylor Swift said, "We think we know someone, but the truth is that we only know the version of them they have chosen to show us."
This really pisses me off because when he first came on the scene he seemed insightful even if it was a façade, then he started baiting and diagnosing youtubers for clickbait and was called out on it. I thought after his “apology” he would have changed or at least pretended to. Dude needs to log off, he’s getting an internet high off of the drama community-which I feel like he’s even talked about before without it registering to him.
Is he part of another thread? He reacts so badly to people calling out his behaviour and pretends to be introspective, I’m sure there are big patches of his life he could be putting more time and effort into.
The wks are posting the Tumblr and sperging in the comments of her video. I went to check the ProJared2 Reddit and the self awareness is a sight to behold.
Also why do people keep trying to use the argument that Jared and Holly didn't sleep together until after Holly got separated as evidence they didn't cheat? One, I don't believe they had no physical contact between February and October. Two, it doesn't matter if they didn't. They were emotionally cheating which many people consider even worse than physical.
IMO, it would fit the technical definition - but it would be justified, considering all of the shit that Holly has pulled.
He at least waited until they were seperated and the divorce papers were filed - Holly couldn't stay away from WormDick and announced to numerous people (heidi, jared, and presumably ross) that she was sexually attracted to Jared and had romantic feelings for only him before she and ross had even filed the divorce papers.
Still way skeezier, in my book
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Holly is on Heidi's Twitter blocking people who mention her again.
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I shouldn't be surprised at what I found on tumblr
"Heidi is def abusive - but jared doesn't deserve the hate since no one has proved the whole 'minors sexual images' thing!"
as if anyone has proved that Heidi was abusive
ofc they feel bad for the man. nevermind he is the reason this whole mess started. no one has shown proof Heidi is abusive
either. a text message convo of a fed up wife venting her frustrations to her cheating husband isn't abuse.
Let me guess, this is from the totally neutral & objective
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don't get me started on this person's account anon, she's been creepy for a solid while now.
pic related, i'm sure there were more but i kinda couldn't bear to see any more lmao
Rather than new, im more of a lazyfag lol>>831094
I cant remember honestly. I couldnt open the youtube link then and i missed it, cant find it anymore
>>830950>women willingly slept with that
I seriously do not understand straight women at all. But glad Heidi is finally out. She needs time to heal from this mess.
Jared has been pretty quiet lately since he was escorted out of Akon.
Yeah she thinks she has money troubles, but her financial problems were things like not being able to afford a new computer… so Ross bought one for her (this was back in the day). They still had a maid clean their house.
Meanwhile, money troubles in the real world mean, like, not being able to eat or getting your electricity shut off. Or worse.
posted in the last thread >>829274>>831094
I personally took it as a confirmation that Holly/Jared were acting in bad faith, at the very least.
also she moved from Los Angeles to Seattle, both some of THE most expensive cities in the States. If she actually knew what facing financial strain was like, she wouldn't have tarnished her means of income like this.
Random pet peeve: I've somewhat kept up with Holly's social media for a few years, and I only heard about her inheriting a dead grandfather's house this month. White women talk about their privilege challenge
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Aw shit. Here we go again
i think at this point it's a cycle of not getting enough sales, increasing the prices, people not buying the crap because it's overpriced, rinse, repeat>>831371
oh come oN JFC
holly you were doing so well. what happened? did someone look in your general direction? did heidi exist?!
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>and that’s ok
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Quit talking about it once per day, mayhaps?
"enjoying her life"
Because nothing says "I'm a happy bird mom" quite like blocking anyone who says anything against you or about heidi, looking up negative comments in an effort to self harm, and repeatedly talking about how the whole thing has made you feel suicidal and forced you into a mental hospital at least once.
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>>831379>the initial act is still something you didn't do>all of this started because she slept with her friend's husband>slept with jared in october 2019
She's not backpedaling, she reversed her legs and is now sprinting backwards.
I think it's partially to keep drama off his back and maybe keep tabs? He probably has her muted tbh
SuperMega still follows her too and they're very close to Ross. Again, probably muted.
She probably uses PSTD as the one of the many buzzword she knows without actually having it
Heck I wouldn’t be surprised in the next couple of hours she’ll mention how all of this “stress” from Twitter is giving her PSTD
"I love you so much I'll DIE if I can't be with you! Get rid of your wife, she doesn't love you like I do! If you don't, I'll KILL MYSELF! Can't you see how abusive
she is for wanting you to be faithful to her?"
I wouldn’t doubt she used her own divorce to Ross as a bargaining chip with Jared. “We promised we would both let Strix and Diath’s love be free! I’ve lost everything if you don’t leave your spouse too!”
And can it just be noted for the records that the reason Heidi YELLED at Holly was because Jared showed her texts of Holly saying she was abusive
all the way to when they foursome were living together. And Holly apologized profusely for it.
Yet she used this YELLING incident to: block Holly on twitter months before the bombshell, helped ostracize her from Jareds work and friends, continued to try to convince Jared she was abusive
even after apologizing and saying she was wrong, and than ultimately blasted Heidi as abusive
all over her Twitter to their mutuals.
Like Holly is fuckin nuts bro. All because she got yelled at over the phone? And it made her “feel scared”
Like… I thought they were best friends at one point?
she couldn't use her divorce against him until late January, though, because that's when she filed it. even if she and Ross were separated, she was still keeping him legally tied to her four months later.
has Heidi ever said when her and Pedo's relationship was officially over? I know she found the sexts in April, but if they "gave up" in January, maybe that's why Holly acted then. I also would love to know what months Heidi and Jared were in marriage counseling together, and if it was after October. If it was, one can assume their relationship wasn't over since they were still trying to fix it, and that Holly's "Jared tried to end things in October" would be utter BS.
if Heidi just gave the dates/timelines for these two events (counseling + calling it quits) it would add a lot to the story.
I thought she had PTSD cus of her shitty mom?
Also does anyone think that Ross and Holly might’ve signed an NDA like how Jared supposedly tried to do with Heidi? It would explain why they haven’t mentioned each other pretty much at all.
Another thing how long do you think Holly and Ross have really been separated? I think it says something that he’s dating someone now or rather that he just announced it. They didn’t file for divorce until a few months ago, they’ve separated almost a year ago. When did he find the time to trust someone enough to date them again? My guess is that he and Holly have separated long before they’ve announced it probably because of this or they were already seeing people, Ross with his current girlfriend and Holly with Jared. Thoughts?
I hate Holly too, anon. But I think it’s possible they were both just waiting for both of them to get settled in places before starting the official documents?
I think if they went public in September 2018 that makes things pretty official. This is also around when Jared stopped wearing his wedding ring in public, so it seems like Fall 2018 was when Holly and Jared made some sort of commitment to eachother.
Do any detective anons have pics of Heidi wearing her wedding ring in the the Oct 2018 - May 2019 time line when Jared stopped wearing his publically?
Would be interesting to see if they both stopped wearing while they tried therapy, or if only Jared did to make wetting his dick easier.
The relationship was confirmed dead Feb 2018 when Holly caught feelings for a worm, but who knows how long before that if Holly claims she never felt real feelings before Jared.
They seemed to have one of those “best friend” relationships where they have a good time but sparks never fly.
But even going with the September 2018 separation, I think thats a reasonable amount of time to start going to steady with someone. I also think thats just the type of guy Ross is. Can’t picture him fucking random thots or fans just cause. I don’t think him and his new girl are that serious at this point either, he’s just a stand up guy.
And after Holly… I’m sure ever girl he meets feels more compatible.
You can tell he still feels kinda weird about it too. On his stream yesterday he said "so my g-girlfriend can come and play this too?"
Like he isn't use to calling someone girlfriend or at least being open about it.
Jared stopped wearing his ring after TwitchCon late October. So him trying to end things with Heidi is complete bullshit, as Holly was on his dick at that point.
As for Holly and Ross, from what I came across, it seems that whatever happened that ended it took place in late July/August, since Ross was still being sweet to her before then.
My guess as to why the official divorce took so long was so she could give him false hope and have Ross feel some of the blame, rather than it being about her wanting Jared's dick.
I know it's complete bullshit, but Holly's narrative is that he tried
to end things with Heidi in October of 2018 and she flat-out refused to get a divorce, and that from then on it was a dead relationship from Jared's perspective. that he was unfortunately just stuck in it until Heidi gave up too. So, again this is all according to Holly, "he wasn't cheating" since he had "tried to end it" in October.
I'm asking when it really
ended. I don't believe a word Holly says, because it's either her lying, or her passing on lies that Jared told to her. He may have told
her he tried to end it in October, when in reality he had not tried at all. I'm asking when the counseling happened, because if it happened after October, that means Jared agreed to try to fix a relationship (which he didn't think was dead like Holly claims) that he was not being faithful to. since we know he and Holly started bonking in October at the latest.
if the counseling happened after October that confirms Jared knew he was cheating. by telling Heidi he wanted to fix things and telling Holly he had "tried to end it, but she said no, but he didn't have feelings for her anymore, so it's not really cheating I'm just trapped"
There are pictures of Heidi wearing her wedding ring in January on her Twitter. There is then a picture of Jared wearing his wedding ring while holding their cat in February. There is also accounts of Jared and Heidi doing coupley things together December 2018. It's pretty obvious Jared was telling Heidi and Holly different stories.
No idea when couple counseling started unfortunately.
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Photo taken that day
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Wow, love Holly's new merch!
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When a wk finds a post from May just to say “Heidi deserves to be cheated on because her personality is abusive”
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How the fuck does Denica know who Holly has blocked…..unless it’s Holly on an alt?
(Don’t mind me, just voicing my tinfoil theory)
she's not an alt, she's just a sad 35 year old woman who has no life other than suckling on Holly's toxic
asshole. In fact if you google her full name or even her twitter handle you can find her other accounts, you can find her facebook, heck you can find her actual address
She's just a pathetic lady who has nothing better to do with her time and has devoted every account of hers online to rally behind Holly as though she benefits from it. It's depressing to watch, honestly. She's not married and probably even lives alone, yikes. Get a hobby, girl.
>35 year old woman
at age 35 you'd think she'd learn that idolizing people and projecting onto people isn't healthy
All Holly's whiteknights are pretty creepy
I'm pretty sure all of them see themselves in Holly and/or Jared.
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Someone has made a rather bold claim on CreepShowArt's video…
I'll never understand how everything Jared has done suddenly isn't true and is something Heidi has done instead
Fucked fans/sexted with them: "Heidi has had several bfs during the marriage!!"Abusive
and gaslighting women: "Heidi is abusive
Solicited nudes from fans, including minors: "Heidi did that!"
The fact that he was wearing his ring around Heidi in February just proves he was stringing them both along.
Unrelated but lol at Jared indirectly calling Holly manipulative (according to Heidi), urs probably why he’s staying silent. She wants to control the narrative.
this is the most galaxy brain tier shit i've ever heard anyone say
watch holly pick this up in like a day or two as an argument
"it was HEIDI!11!! who solicited nudes!!!"
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>what did it say about me
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“But….but….but I apologized for making someone else’s suicide about me! You HAVE to forgive me!”
>apologized on the timing
The only problem she sees with her statements is that they were "too soon"???
>If I deserve harassment and you truly believe that
Constantly self-flagellating so that others will rush in with "no you don't deserve it"
>please don't follow me just to hate on me <3
Appeals for "undeserved" kindness, ends with fake affection to stave off further criticism
What a manipulative asshole jfc
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>>831948>I apologized on the timing>literally compared the two of them as the same type of wounded souls
Similar situation here, during milking suzy days she just seemed kinda chill and mature (welp) and comparing Suzy to her (since she was seen as a mature and real nerd/ gamer girl, not fake like Suz) was kinda fun.
I also liked Ross so I was happy for him to be in, what seemed a really nice marriage.
When they announced their divorce because "Holly needs to move to a state with trees" raised my suspicions but I just figured they wanted to keep their real circumstances private.
And then Heidi decided to speak up and Holly's hidden cow shone through, making us drown in milk.
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This just in, posting clowns to Holly is illegal now. Her WKs are amazing.
This guy is always
talking about siccing the cops on trolls and critics of Holly. It's quite sad.
nice to see this asshole has fully moved onto main with his bogus threats. i'd actually love to see him try to call the cops on a tweet.
"officer they sent clowns!!!"
Fun fact: I’ve been doxxed and had law enforcement involved so let me ruin the fun with some facts:
The cops aren’t going to track someone’s IP address just because they said something mean online.
If getting violent death threats wasn’t enough, I HIGHLY doubt that posting clown emojis will be
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I mean…..just shut the fuck up, Holly
WK: I’d like to report online harassment. We need a unit sent out.
Police: What is the nature of your emergency?
WK: They won’t stop posting the clown emoji and she’s mentally ill, officer!
Police: Hahahahaha Nigga just walk away from the screen like Nigga close your eyes
Double downs on the bad timing
>>online bullying is harmful no matter the circumstances
You suuuuuure don’t mind people bullying Heidi though…
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Law enforcement are not going to come after someone for some clown emojis wtf. They have far too much on their plate to worry about something so minor. You know, like the actual minors that Jared sent nudes to and got some from.>>832040
She doesn't say this when it comes to her sending her four clowns to harass Heidi though.>>832048
This is beautiful, anon.
Wonder how Holly will react to it
Would love the milk if she tries to get it taken down for harassment and bullying
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That moment when a WK proves out point - that Holly can’t tell the difference between legit criticism and abuse/harassment
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I wonder what Holly thinks about her new best friend's opinions.
Thirding this. No one was a Holly apologist before this, because there was nothing to apologize for. She just never did anything interesting enough to actually talk about. The only reason she ever really came up was comparing her to Snooz, and the "Holly discourse" was just nitpicking her appearance (like anon said). There wasn't even discussion about her and Ross's relationship really, it was just kind of an unspoken agreement that they were much healthier than Arin and Suzy. When they split I just remember thinking "Huh. Them? I thought for sure it'd be Arin and Suzy
". At that point the last GG thread had been locked for months, but even their breakup wasn't interesting enough for anyone to start a new GG Thread.
So, to answer the original question – it wasn't necessarily a shock that she ended up THIS crazy, I think the initial shock was that she was involved in anything interesting at all. Despite the quirky hair and cooky hobbies she seemed extremely vanilla. The Ross/Holly breakup was such a fizzle, and Jared was clearly trying to make this one a fizzle too. Heidi's first tweet was what packed all the punches.
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I had the exact same reaction to seeing that Heidi retweeted the right opinion video
Honestly glad that Holly is getting such flak from people with a real following - and a ringing silence/absence of support from people who matter on social media and in the industry.
She really, really should have been her own best friend and just shut. the. fuck. up. originally. Seriously. I don't think she realizes what kind of damage she's done to her future prospects. Once you lose the respect of your peers in the creative field and the internet age, you're done. Outsies. No one wants to play with you. (Exceptions like Jake and Logan Paul exist, obviously because their massive following makes Youtube money, but notice how no one wants to be their friend?) Once people in the industry who are actually known for their creativity and quality of work and exposure consider you trash, well, say buh-bye to your career.
She could have prevented it all. Make a sincere, not snide, not passive-aggressive apology, show some honesty, humility and growth. Everyone loves a good redemption arch… but no, this dumb, tragically and hilariously non-self-aware cow just has to keep shitting on her own legs.
Good thing she has granddaddy's money to fall back on, huh? Her "talent" isn't gonna carry her far and she's burnt up her future prospects in the industry.
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WK make my head hurt with the intense amount of loops they’re going through to justify Holly and Jared’s bullshit
I know this isn't super relevant but lmao at the fact that he acknowledges that panic attacks are real but thinks the mental illnesses that cause them and the medication used to treat them is not.
Then he suggests self medicating with alcohol
What a dipshit
But he's cool with our Mental Health queen because he patted her ass
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Based Heidi is so composed and to the point. No embellishing, no dramatics. It kills me to know that so many people see her as a toxic
abuser when she's the victim
Not to suck Heidi's dick, but I'm impressed by how composed she is and straight forward
But maybe that's because Holly has been such a train wreck monster during all this
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Now therightopinion is debating with fish and some other holly wk on his Twitter…
I actually wish he had read that jaredhollyheidi tumblr prior to posting his video so he could’ve shut down that bullshit
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>Not wearing the wedding ring supports the claim that the marriage effectively ended in 2018.
Heidi didn't wear her wedding ring while she was in cosplay, does that mean that while in cosplay she wasn't married? This is such a shitty point to make. Holly and Jared's white knights have obviously never had a meaningful relationship before.
There's proof on her twitter and instagram, >>831559 >>831558
as well as Jared wearing his ring of February of this year >>828685
(which Holly idiotically says it's "an old photo" >>829287
It's probably because Heidi is an adult who seems to be getting genuine help for whatever emotional problems she has following her shitty marriage. The only people buying the psycho Heidi story are KF incels and women who have a "not like other girls" complex.
It's so obvious that Holly has NPD and an abusive
personality that's getting worse, not better. She made this whole situation about her when most of Heidi's initial tweets were about Jared, just like how she made Etika's death all about her. She keeps showing her true narcissistic colors and it shocks me that big names in the DnD community still follow her.
also conveniently missing the fact that Heidi knew about the affair for months and was going to keep it private until Jared tried to put words in her mouth without consulting her, she didn't "just happen to find them some time before".
And Heidi was not made aware of Chai and Charlie's accusations before they went public, Holly was, and she ratted them out to Jared. These Holly WKs pretend they have all the facts but they get every bit so distorted it might as well be fiction.
cue holly "this is simply not true. don't believe a liar believe me"
when heidi presents her story logically and gives exact timelines/details, and holly's whole logic is "just believe me blindly because it's KiNd"
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Sage for no new content, but I'm really liking these posts on tumblr.
Proud of tumblr for once.
This just proves Holly was definitely an active player in Heidi’s gaslighting along with Jared.
This “we have to be nice oowoo don’t bully” bullshit was the same manipulation she was doing with being overly apologetic to Heidi.
God only knows what she was doing to Ross during their marriage behind the scenes.
>Have ya'll not seen her bangs? They tell you everything you should know.
As funny as that is, it's a good point. Another good point made is that WotC would get a fucking extreme amount of backlash if they would ever allow Holly to come back. Victims
of abuse, fans angry about the minor thing and Holly backing Jared, the black community, disappointed fans, you fucking name it, Holly has pissed them all off by not shutting the fuck up. Every time she spoke she made things worse for herself because of the shit she wouldn't stop spewing. She really did burn most of her bridges.
pamela horton i believe, the cosplayer(?) who jared harassed at a con by googling her lewds and sharing them with people sitting with him in her presence
i know holly's providing the bulk of milk here but i can't reiterate how absolutely disgusting this worm of a man is
samefag sorry>Pamela Horton is an American celebrity noted as a YouTuber, model, and former Playboy Playmate. She also got famous as the girlfriend of American comedian, YouTuber, and Smosh member Ian Hecox.
She doesn't want to be part of his social media presence, but on Twitch he said that she might be in the other room sometimes (as he has plans to stream a lot more due to Mario Maker 2)
He said we can call her Giiwii, shes an artist and colourist. If you've seen the picture of Ross with all his monster girls together that he uses whilst starting up on Twitch, she coloured that for him.
She seems nice. She packed hundreds of stickers for him for the garage sale, and when he was stressed on stream recently he said that she started to stroke his hair (the cam was off)
That literally does not matter at all (other than black twitter potentially being pissed at Holly for the whole Etika thing - and Ross' new gf coincidentally being black)
Seriously, though - Ross' new GF's ethnicity does not matter.
Oh I know and like >>832524
said, Holly's been taking all of the hits which is probably Jared's plan. Like TRO said, Jared staying quiet even though he's supposed to be the abused one makes no sense if Holly is the one releasing the "proof" of his abuse. He's letting Holly throw herself under the bus and is the one driving the bus that's running her dumb ass over.
>Jared staying quiet even though he's supposed to be the abused one makes no sense if Holly is the one releasing the "proof" of his abuse.
This is what gets me the most. He's taking full advantage of Holly's savior-complex at the moment, so that when all is said & done, he can rest easy knowing that Holly buried herself, and since Holly has little to no self-respect, she'll gladly throw herself in the line of fire for someone who just barely
gives a shit about her.
TRO was so on point with the language Jared used in his public statements too. I’m glad he called him out on his blanket statements and how his further silence isn’t helping his innocence if he is truly innocent.
Which he isn’t. Name one internet celeb (who isn’t a sex worker obviously) who’s exchanged nudes and had sex with fans that wasn’t scummy.
Barely? I don't think he cares at ALL. First she was easy pussy, then a stepping stone, now a rabid watchdog, nothing more.>>832526
I wonder if that's something he's been coaching her to do behind the scenes or if she came up with that little routine all by herself. Honestly I don't see how she thinks Jared gives 1 iota of a fuck about her. NO ONE who cares about you would let you destroy yourself the way she does on twitter daily. Jared never tried to protect in his statements either, in fact he only mentioned her by name once. Jared's just handing her the rope to hang herself with.
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lmao at all the butthurt WKs that are spamming TRO with their 'truth'
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Just watched TRO's video for the first time & I know one should never look at the comments but… my god, the SALT!
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Was going to add this comment to the salt pic, but then I looked at the username….
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And of course
there's that one user that keeps popping into the popular comments to 'correct the masses'…
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All these bold
claims & no proof whatsoever
…Do we even know who was first to suggest polyamory in the first place?
I always find it weird how they paint Heidi as this genius mastermind who managed to pull this plan to ruin Jared for……what exactly?
Heck Heidi has even pointed out that she was living off his income so for her to kill his career would activity hurt her
>>832564>she was really possessive of Jared and clearly resented Holly being involved with him
Oh no! A wife is not okay with her husband being with another woman who's husband has no idea about what's going on! Say it ain't so!
He sounds like a huge incel. All three of them were idiotic fuckers when it came to the poly relationship and should never try that shit again since they just ended up hurting a lot of people. Heidi is the only one who had enough sense to stop it after she saw that it was becoming a bad idea.
The white knights, fanatics, and incels seem more involved in their marriage than the people actually involved and barely have any evidence to back up their claims.
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>He sounds like a huge incel.
No way, anon, he's had "experience with cheaters"
He also doesn't have any uploads, or an about page, big surprise there…
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It's okay, neither are Holly's incel WKs who don't understand how consent works.
Honestly it makes me shudder that one of the main arguments against Heidi is that she consented.. And then took that back once she was uncomfortable. Like women can't do that apparently?
I've even seen some WKs argue that Heidi went Poly, then got frustrated b/c no one wanted her
& when girls wanted Jared, she got 'jealous' or some shit.
Like, either she's a desperate & lonely harpy, or a slick & manipulative succubus?
Every argument people have against Heidi regarding the poly thing just REEKS of manosphere rhetoric. Women are hypergamous whores who just want to cheat and date up and they open relationships so they can fuck Chad and blah blah. They'd fucking love it if she wanted an open relationship to sleep around but couldn't get guys while her husband was living it up, it's a revenge fantasy for them so I'm not surprised they contradict themselves like that.
It's so blatantly obvious that is not the case, and she was trying to appease her manwhore husband despite not being entirely comfortable and only rescinded consent when it really crossed the line.
Similar to the whole "it was EVIL HEIDI's idea to be poly and she FORCED it on poowr uguu babby Jawed", all of a sudden I'm seeing claims like >>832575
saying that Heidi had cheated first before they ever opened their relationship. ??? Did I miss something? Is there anything at all that suggests this, or is it just this one galaxy brain Internet PI spamming it all over youtube comments?
>>832597-Spams JaredHeidiHollyTRUTH-tumblr Page-
It tells u ALL u need to know! uwu
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They've already made a Reddit post "de-bunking" TRO's video. It's like they're allergic to coming up with their own arguments and ideas that they just need a link to spam asap.
It's always the same 6-7 people defending them too. Makes it pretty obvious they are brigading. When you try to engage with them they usually back down or embarrass themselves though which is always fun to read.
Also I remember Denica telling someone they were evading Holly's block and reading her Twitter still, but Denica literally has a post on Reddit analyzing Heidi's latest tweets despite being blocked by her back in May. Desperate and hypocritical I see. You'll never be Strix, girl.
Seriously. I was glancing through TRO's comments last night and I saw the thread here >>832564>Heidi was the one who suggested an open relationship and was the first to start sleeping around
Or in >>832465>What Heidi did, abusing metoo for her own personal gain, was fucked up
I keep seeing weird new takes that come out of left field for me. Its almost amazing to watch the story morph over time. But very scary at the same time.>>832508
I don't think that's what he meant when he said she was a colorist
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So this is definitely that guys Twitter account right? Lunatic.
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Completely unrelated to the current discussion and maybe I'm super late because I just started using IG but I was surprised to see Arin following Jon? I thought they were completely no contact.
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Holly & Jared's WKs are in full-force
tonight after a video that challenges their trash-queen's precious narrative has been unleashed.
This person has no experience with cheaters. If Jared hated the idea of Heidi opening up their marriage he would have left her then. I even get the feeling Jared initially didn't want to leave Heidi for Holly, especially since ghosted several fans he fucked and Jared got away with fucking around while keeping a positive image with having a wife. It's just Jared soon realized he could not longer keep Heidi around once Heidi had proof of his cheating that he then switch to settling for Holly so he won't feel alone. Holly also had been suicide-baiting about Jared not leaving Heidi. Jared was placating Holly by saying he was trying to leave Heidi but since Heidi was abusive
it was hard for him when Jared probably still wanted to keep his wife around. And all the slandering about Heidi being abusive
that Jared and Holly told to their friends probably made people pressure Jared to leave the marriage.
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>>832621>being with Holly
except they still aren't together LOL
and are they just going to ignore the fact he slept with many other people during the poly period….
Yeah, not to mention the WKs go from victim
-blaming TERFs to single, middle-aged women & incels who know jack-shit about marriage, polyamory, or anything
about relationships in particular.
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He sounds like someone who should be put on a watch-list. What a fucking creep.
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Anyone else notice what the character skills for Holly's character says? 😂
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Relevant; Heidi cannot & will not release Holly's nudes & sexts because that's illegal.
Holly already posted a private & dirty convo between Heidi & Jared (That she wasn't present for, I might add)
…Isn't that still illegal?
It would absolutely be illegal for Holly's nudes to be made public as it would count as revenge porn.
It's not illegal (Depending on the state; Some only require the consent of one of the involved parties) for Heidi to post conversations that she was a part of (ex: texts between heidi and jared). It is shady, if not downright illegal, for Holly to post text messages between Jared & Heidi since, for all anyone knows, neither party consented to having those conversations made public.
Exactly. If Jared was all about soliciting nudes from fans and sending others in return, how the fuck is Holly going to scream about it being Heidi's fault?
If Jared was so worried about the universe seeing his obscene worm dick, he probably should have kept it in his pants and not sent pics of it to so many people.
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The salt is real
it's illegal to post messages between two people if you are neither of the people in the messages. if you're sharing other people's
private conversations that you were not a part of and do not have consent from both of them to share, you're breaking the law
…Which is exactly
what Holly did.
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Well look who's back!
I love that they talk of a slander lawsuit, like Holly's claims of Heidi being abusive
and repeatedly abusing Jared are somehow NOT slanderous.
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When the wk's assume that because Jared can't NOT fuck anything with a pulse, that it clearly means that Heidi is doing the same and she has to clarify:
They just want everyone to think that Heidi was SUCH an absolute WHORE that Jared had
to leave her & go for someone more 'loyal' like Holly! uwu
Well, she does
reward their efforts with a follow
Truly amazing that Jared is the one with proof of sexting with fans and even fucking one (twice?) at cons.
Yet somehow HEIDI is the whore, even tho there was proof that she had 1 extra partner during their poly stint. A partner she texted Jared about bc (wild thought) she wanted to include her husband in sex and be open
Yeah, it seemed like Jared was very
involved in Heidi's one other relationship, it['s not like she was being secretive to him about it.
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I wonder if TRO will make a follow-up video since Holly's WKs are trying to spread as much misinfo as possible
Holly could probably give less of a shit about providing a linear story that doesn't contradict itself
Even the insignificant details change to certainty over time>She tried to steal his gold play button!!
Later>She did steal his gold play button!!
It's funny Holly only put out "receipts" that Jared seems to have sent her (I'm guessing during their affair, to confirm Holly's push to claim Heidi was abusive
to her smug satisfaction and Jared's sexual satisfaction it seems) aren't even swaying in any self-defense but rather open with "Don't use these to bully Heidi or Jared" yet the whole time aiming to show Heidi as a bad person.
Despite having an affair behind Heidi's back and cosplaying as well, to the WKs Heidi is the whore and THOT?
Holly thinks she's the one being bullied but only deals with clown emojis and confrontations about her actions, Heidi is being straight-up harassed and has people making Tumblrs calling her a bad person all on hearsay.
>calling her a bad person all on hearsay.
This is what I don't get. And Holly is making shit worse
by claiming that her therapist thinks she's crazy & 'unfixable'? I'm surprised no one points out how fucked up
(& probably illegal) that is…
Also just super great that he's encouraging people to go to alcohol to solve their issues rather than doing the healthy thing in seeing a doctor/psychiatrist/psychologist/counselor.
Because nothing says "I'm legit!" like telling a bunch of people - many of whom are minors - that alcohol is a fix for the problems they're lying about having. /s
I get why he'd feel this way after having Holly's WK squad go after him, as well as going to r/projared2, or whichever one he linked, for "facts."
But, what I wish he did, was delve into the blatant lies Holly made against Heidi, like the classic unfixable lines.
Or comparing Holly and Heidi's various apologies (or non-apologies in some cases)
Or the power imbalances between the 3 of them (Followers, money, their place in the industry, etc)
Or the statements made before this broke (Holly sperging about wanting to kill herself in Dec 2018 because her friend was in an abusive
relationship and wouldn't leave, Heidi saying she knew not many people would believe her but she had to tell her exprience anyway) or the things Holly said at the very beginning ("I'll always be there for you Jared" and "don't believe that internet rando, believe THIS internet rando!")
Or the statements made by relatively well-known women like Pamela Horton or Pushing Up Roses rather than just tumblr teens and throwaways that change their mind on a dime.
The icing would be comparing Ross' abusive
ex story with how Holly acts on twitter but that might be too much of a stretch for TRO to actually bring up in a video.
Fingers crossed if he makes a followup, he won't just focus on the sources given by the freaks ree-ing from this video.
Samefag but also the nugget that is Holly following WKs to reward them for their vitriol should be talked about.
I'd kinda get it if Holly had less followers than Heidi or something, but she doesn't, she has more than twice as many.
Actions speak louder than words.
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Now that the video has had some time to be up (and now that the WKs are done swarming the vid) I think the response is still heavily in favor of heidi. I've been seeing nothing but support for TRO's vid and for heidi in the comment section at the moment. Here are just a few pages of the comment section.
the fact that these are still the most liked comments speaks volumes though. There's even more too. It's some of the same wks too, and you can tell that some of them like this guy >>832561
can't even be seen as credible by their own side.
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this oscar guy is a trip
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>"And since Jared is the white male he is getting all the unfair treatment from all gossipers and feminists"
Ummm, who's gonna tell this guy that ProJared fancied himself as a 'male-feminist'?
>"Damn I wish I was Jared dating you"
How do you know if they're dating, Oscar? Seems like Jared has already thrown her under the bus now that she is no longer useful
I wonder if she's going to try and gather evidence, or what she thinks could be evidence in some kind of retort
It would also be interesting if she was PMing RTO receipts
I don't necessarily think (from the very little I know about RTO) he would hesitate to tell Holly just how illegal it is to share text conversations between Heidi/Jared.
I'm just really hoping that Jared or even that friend/roommate of hers finally told her to shut the fuck up on twitter.
That, or she'll post in a few days about how she was ACTUALLY tweeting from the mental hospital again (I still don't know how she saw/interacted with friends the way she did when she was in the hospital the first time back in May or early June)
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Only the 'Best People' support Holly
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Isn't this Anna's ex-husband? This seems to be sort of a weird response and I'm not really sure what to make of it.
In today's episode of "What a coincidence!":
Geoff posted the seperation/divorce announcement from Anna back in October 2018, roughly when Holly and Jared allegedly started their sexual relationship (or at the very least, the exchanging of sexually explicit messages).
(I know literally nothing of these people prior to jared trending on twitter when this all initially blew up)
i can't stop laughing, oscar saying>you can count on me for anything
is just too close to holly's initial>i'm here if you need me
thirsty bastards lmfao
I maintain that Holly's "I'm here if you need me" was a piss poor attempt at maintaining a public image of just friendship that Heidi promptly nuked RIGHT the fuck out of the water.
Heidi deserves the biggest "atta girl" to date for that initial smackdown.
I know this has been brought up before but god, the fact that Anna's ex and Nathan's ex can often be found in Heidi's comments supporting her speaks volumes. All victims
of the DCA affair club.
I thought a woman just had to open her legs and suddenly dicks would appear tho
WHICH IS IT INCELS
DO WOMEN GET TO FUCK EVERY DICK THEY WANT (they don't) OR THEY'RE UGLY COWS WHO CAN'T FIND SAID DICK?
Skills is what she is.
Powers is what she wishes she could have.
I watch him for the sc2 casts. He was so fucking depressed through it all and said not a single bad word about Anna.
I think both have stayed quite so the shit storm that has happened with Heidi doesn’t happen to them. Geoff is a massive sc2 caster, wouldn’t be surprised if Anna married him for his money just to cheat on him and fuck off with his money
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i recently became a fan of Ross after all this and found out he was also at TwitchCon (where Holly & Jared probably hooked up). the pics on instagram are…depressing, even though the captions are either neutral or upbeat. there's just a series of these and some people picked up on the contradicting vibes from his posts, asking if he's ok. i doubt there's anything new to gleam from this and maybe the two are unrelated, but it feels too out of character compared to the rest of his posts to be mere coincidence considering the timing.
also, i realized that one of Jared's major creep-factors is that he almost never smiles with his eyes, even when he's not intentionally making a weird face.
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Some fresh hypocrisy from the projared2 subreddit. "I can't believe they are taking Heidi at face value!! They don't even know her! They just desperately don't want to be wrong!" I don't understand how people can lack so much self awareness. This could so easily be applied to either side and it's rich coming from an echo chamber like pj2 where they downvote and attack anyone with an opposing opinion.
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She…She does know that she's not ACTUALLY a bird, right?
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Wait…the shit that Holly was spewing for weeks was an attempt to please people???
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Denica has apparently hopped on the "HEIDI WAS ENCOURAGING AND ENDORSING JARED USING HIS FAME TO SOLICIT NUDES FROM FANS!!" bandwagon.
For a college educated person, she's easily the dumbest human I've come across (next to holly and pedodick)
Actually Denica, while Heidi did originally know of and endorse the porn blog, she later told Jared to shut it down because she realized how problematic
it was. She had no idea he was still engaging with fans until she found text messages between Holly and Jared where he was bragging about it. Holly was very aware of his abuse of power and even delivered him the contact info of his victims
Ever since the zoepost, every instance of an internet celebrity's public relationship drama has been transformed into a stupid social media proxy war where men in the manosphere places huge emotional stake on the idea that the man is an innocent victim
/the woman is an evil lying whore. This is what we get to look forward to from now on>>832664>virtue-signallers
what is that even supposed to mean in this context?>>832785
Imagine being caught in an embarrassing public scandal and the only people going to bat for you are visible losers like this
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Not sure if anyone caught these
She's just a random fan that has obsessively led the charge defending Holly beyond all reason. Holly followed her back like all the other WKs, so she acts important now.
She collects names for Holly to block. Probably Jared too
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>but looks like he has to pay big bucks to ever sleep with a woman
that's Harvey Weinstein, the hollywood producer guy and "alleged" serial rapist/"casting couch" enthusiast in that guy's profile picture.
kek since hollys literal first post was you know me guys
these idiots deserve each other
Exactly. I mean, could Heidi have gone about her initial response in a less inflammatory way? I don't know, probably - but this is a woman who was pushed to the edge by a husband who promised her the world and gave her broken promises and infidelity. After that initial burst, she has mostly kept quiet and moved on with her life.
Holly (up until the last few days at least) has repeatedly brought it up, and when things start to die down, she just pokes the embers to get the fire going again. People are forever more inclined to believe the person who is acting calmly and rationally - not the raving lunatic who can't go five minutes without mentioning her suicidal tendencies as a means of garnering sympathy.
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I would love to see a cover of Animorphs but with Holly turning into a clown.
holy shit, I just researched wtf animorphs are and looking at the images… this has me really worried.
this looks like gateway sick furry deviantart fetish shit. omg the artwork, I just can't…
sage for non contributing sperging
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I honestly love the fact that outside of the whole twitter shittery going on with Holly, Jared is being forever remembered as the duded that groomed underage teenagers, wrecked his marriage and just being a piece of human shit.It's not the first time I'm seeing him being mentioned whenever pedophiles are being discussed. Lovin' it.
Holy fuck I know I'm super late to this but this trainwreck moves faster than a human can follow, I thought at first that Holly was just a dumbass who couldn't keep her legs together or cover her trail properly but this bitch is full of vitriol and narcissism. I'm so not surprised that Ross wants nothing to do with this and has emphasized how much better his life is now. Holly literally went suicide-baiting with muh clown emoji spam trying to make Etika's tragic death all about her and now she's acting like it was just an "unfortunate timing"? What the hell? How did she think she'd get away with this? >>832597
To add insult to the injury the "It was Heidi's idea" meme came from one vague statement Jared put out implying that Heidi was the one who suggested it, and in the end it was implied in the bigger picture that Heidi wanted to save the marriage and came up with trying polyamory out so Jared would be free to wave his dick around as he didn't want to remain faithful. The biggest evidence is that Heidi didn't take advantage of the situation at all, the "long-distance boyfriend" people keep bringing up was a fakeboi tranny she did couple cosplays with and by 99.99% certainty shared nothing physical with. It's in no way similar to the relationships Jared had and the constant spreading of nudes to his fans.
Sage for rant, but I was about to say, you realize that transmen have sex right? So do lesians. I’ve been annoyed at the claim that it obviously wasn’t the physical at all since we found out her ex was trans. Heidi made a point to say “mostly” emotional support for a reason.
I just don’t want to see people jumping on the slut bandwagon if more evidence comes out that they did bang. It wouldn’t matter. The point is that it was one relationship, Heidi took steps to involve and inform Jared, and she called it off when she expected monogamy. They could’ve fucked 50 times and it still wouldn’t have been as debaucherous and creepy as Jared.
I'm gonna be real with you.
Most people who think of sexuality in heteronormative ways are going to think fucking a transman is anything like fucking a bioman.
Because the transman doesn't have a cock and he can't cum inside a girl. So, because transmen can't do this a lot of people just don't count it as the same as a bioguy doing the same.
It's sad, but that's how it is.
sage for OT
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Heidi rt'd this. Might not really be anything but I can't help feel like it's shots fired at Holly since she kept sperging "bE kInD" anytime someone called her out on her bullshit
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The lack of self awareness is astounding. It’s like they’ve forgotten Holly’s “Don’t believe her, she’s just an internet stranger. Believe me!” Moment from a few weeks ago
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I swear to god, it’s like they’re all describing Holly and not Heidi
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I'm howling, this is great
Heidi better watch out. Holly's blood is gonna be on her hands!!!
Meanwhile Holly continues to directly assassinate Heidi's character by calling her an abuser because she yelled at Holly.
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Things like this give me hope that not everyone is buying into Holly's woe-is-me "I'm sorry, I'm mentally ill" bullshit.
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Both of these are enough confirmation to show that almost all of the exes that were cheated on (Geoff, Heidi, Cristina) have actively joined forces and have spoken. They all follow each other, and Ross even follows Cristina and Geoff. (he doesn’t follow Heidi tho).
Image shows geoff follows Heidi
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It's like she sees Heidi posting pictures of Aries and thinks that she'll try and take a page out of her book - just stop, Holly.
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But then she'll go and like posts like this, still proclaiming her innocence and acting like her hurt career is seriously financially affecting her (even though she's living off of her grandpa's money now and probably trying to get some sort of spousal support from Ross…)
Holly, probably: "But I'm
the one that was hurt!"
He probably can't follow Heidi without Holly freaking the fuck out on him. Their divorce is final in a little under two weeks, I wonder if he'll unfollow Holly and follow Heidi then, because we know whose side he is really
on here. If it were Holly's at all,
he would have said something
to defend her, however small and unimportant in the scheme of the situation, or told her to shut up and log off. Anything from Ross in support of Holly would be a big boost to her side of the story. But he's silent anyway. WONDER WHY
Even if it was sexual, that was still when both Heidi and Jared were open to a poly relationship. The minute Heidi realized her boundaries could not be respected, she revoked consent, asked for monogamy, and called things off with her LDR partner.
The fact that Holly and Jared continued after Heidi revoked her consent to open the marriage to a poly relationship is the problem (and the whole "jared showed his dick to a bunch of people and has nudes of minors" thing)
>calling Heidi supporters TERFs.
…Despite most of Holly/Jared supporters stating that 2 of the minors that Jared took advantage of shouldn't be believed because they're trans.
Also, last time I checked, it was Holly who had the 'TERF-bangs'
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Here Denica, let me refresh your memory
Not to mention calling someone a cheater isn't a career-ruiner in well… any profession, really?
I know we've said it again and again: but these retard's lone brain cell must be getting cold, because they don't have two to rub together.
ayrt, I definitely think Jared and Holly are worse, just don't understand why everyone is adamant that Heidi never boned her cosplayer beau. She was fully within her right to have a sexual relationship at the time so acknowledging it doesn't make her look bad/worse in any way.
Just annoys me a little that people think because he's Ftm and they were long distance that means they were 100% chaste.
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Holy shit what a scumbag.
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Wow I can't believe Heidi single-handedly destroyed DnD forever!
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Actions speak louder than words, Jared.
i hate everything about this
i'm one of the anons who tried to discuss chai being mentally unstable and therefore unreliable in some aspects but quickly understood it didn't have anything to do with their story being true or false.
this on the other hand is just plain and simple harassment. who knew holly the mental advocate would have fans who slander others for being mentally ill and thus untrustworthy/murderous! oh wait…
Remember, this is also Jessica - Holly's best friend >>833560
How fun that she's trying to drag Suzy into this as well
It's so weird to me that people are dragging the underage people through the mud and citing their mental stability as one of the reasons they are lying. Considering Holly checked herself into a mental hospital and uses her being mentally ill as an excuse to say terrible things shouldn't they be questioning whether she is telling the truth in this situation too?
Tbh, I don't know if Jared knowingly got pictures from underage fans. I kind of doubt he would purposely do that but I also know that I shouldn't really doubt it too much because we have absolutely no idea who Jared is as a person. Every personal story I read about him makes him seem like a lecherous scum though…so who knows. However, I know Jared was stupid enough to open himself up to the possibility of receiving underage porn. By running that Tumblr and Snapchat he was sending and receiving tons of nudes to people of all ages, and certainly more than a couple were below 18. So I feel no sympathy for him whatsoever. Even if he got pictures from minors without realizing he deserves his career ruined because he used his "celebrity" to solicit pictures from fans and never once cared about the ramifications until it was too late. He is 33. He should know better. Boohoo.
>"I don't know if Jared knowingly got pictures from underage fans. I kind of doubt he would purposely do that"
He may not have directly said "Hey minors, send me pics" - but when you take approx. zero steps to verify someone's age, you recognize that you're running the very real risk of that happening. Not to mention, if I remember right, one of the people TOLD Jared that they were minors and he continued talking to them.
> "He deserves his career ruined"
It's not even about his career, tbh. This goes way beyond that and into the dangerous zone of "should he be prosecuted or not?".
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>one of the people TOLD Jared that they were minors and he continued talking to them.
He even sent an 'apology' to that one underage person for damage-control purposes.
(Old milk but relevant)
I like that he repeatedly references HIS mental health during this, making sure to point out how mentally ill he was (who does that sound like to y'all?)
Being "mentally unwell" does NOT justify the conversations that Jared had with this person, or any of the other fans who have since come forward with their stories.
I completely agree with all points. I wasn't trying to downplay anything when I said I didn't know if he knowingly got pictures. Actually I completely forgot he was warned and then continued to engage with fans any way. Just disgusting.>>833581
I really think Holly wrote or at least coached him through this and all his public statements. Some of his word choices and excuses just wreak of Holly. I still can't believe he had the nerve to contact one of his victims
directly, incriminating himself even further.
>"I also want to make sure that you're okay. And that I'm sorry."
Probably the same thing he said to unogirl as well>>833585
>I really think Holly wrote or at least coached him through this and all his public statements.
Definitely. Holly seems to think an apology will excuse any
I'd gaurantee his defense in court is going to be "mah mental health", which is a real kick in the teeth to anyone actually suffering from mental health issues. Not that it will work, but it's really fuckin scummy. Hopefully this message gets brought up and he gets slapped with obstruction too.
He's more than likely under investigation at this moment. If Heidi was smart she'll lawyer up and cooperate with it as much as possible.
> "I really think Holly wrote or at least coached him"
Agreed. The whole "I'm sorry, I was mentally unwell" thing is almost word-for-word what Holly said after the whole Etika thing.>>833590
It's going to be a real tough road if he plans on using the "I'm sorry, I was mentally ill" excuse in front of a judge for justification as to why he solicited nudes and then published them without getting permission from the people (as far as I know; I suppose some gave the okay, I don't know)
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Plot twist: Heidi is Ace Attorney (I'm kidding y'all; This was on her liked posts)
sorry for being stupid, but does he get investigated on the CP allegations or get prosecuted for it only
if the minors/their guardians press charges? or do the DAs/Feds have full control of the situation as long as they have reason to believe he might possess nudes of minors?
Homeland Security usually does things cloak and dagger with these kinds of investigations. They'll more than likely get any info from his ISPs and services he used to communicate (Facebook, Twitter, etc.) They can do all that without notifying anyone involved, including potential victims
. There's some similarities with what Jared is accused of and what former YouTube celeb, current federal prison celeb Austin Jones was ultimately charges with. Although Austin admitted to what he did and got a plea out of it, he's still gonna be doing ten years and the feds were able to dig up his internet convos all the way back to 2016. The people involved don't have to press charges, it's the act of "producing" that becomes a crime.
not buying it. even if she tries to push that image now, no one will believe her seeing how batshit insane she was willing to appear just for the D.
also i think this thread needs more saging, there's not much milk atm and it keeps getting bumped for no reason
They actually closed comments last year after the Hells Belles game (which also featured Holly)
People were mad because the cast stated their pronouns whilst introducing themselves.
>get prosecuted for it only if the minors/their guardians press charges
When it involves minors, no one has to press charges - the government (be it the FBI or local police) steps in and says "This shit? That ain't it, Chief" and prosecutes accordingly. >>833626
That implies that Holly has a conscience - which I highly doubt>>833645
It depends on the prison, but getting married might not mean shit. Washington state still allows conjugal visits, but if Jared's crime falls under federal jurisdiction, they're shit out of luck - federal prisons don't allow that.
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Exactly, Holly. That's what we've been telling you to do from the beginning.
if he goes to prison/is going to prison I wonder if that supports the tinfoil that holly has access to his accounts
if he is under investigation tho wouldn't he be banned from using social media during that time? legit question cause I'm not sure
LOL yup. They'd rightfully laugh him out of the room.
"I diddled kids and now I'm like, really sad about it! I'm sorry I'm mentally iiiiiilllllll"
only get to decide to press charges or not for civil matters, CP is a crime so it's out of their hands and up to the justice system. They may still decide to let him off easy though.
I'll be shocked if they throw the book at him like that since first time offender white guys get off the hook all the time, but it'd be nice to see him get at least some consequences for being an abusive
hypersexual retard. even if it's just 1 year of prison and some community service.>>833645
lol he's not going to marry Holly on his life. No doubt he'd do one of those prisoner pen pal things and tell people he's some millionaire gamer man and brain-dead thots who are far less annoying and needy than Holly will fall in his lap.
Unless his lawyer can get some serious mitigating factors and well as lowered charges, he'll be forced to register as a sex offender even if it's community service. Kek. He kind of is with his abuse of power. Hopefully Holly can tell the prosecutor to heal and not hurt. Major defense.
But there's tons of serious sex offense cases that haven't been prosecuted so we can always dream. Regardless, I hope Jared shits his pants at the idea. You too Holly, we know you read here. It doesn't matter if "THEY'RE LYING" because all responsibility falls on the adult involved. 100%. Think about it, bird brain.
I would take this with a grain of salt. Just because someone claims that they know someone, they’re anonymous. There’s no way to prove this unless they ask a mod to confirm their identity or they post screenshots of their conversation with said “friend” or they make it obvious on who they are like Jessica has.
tl;dr: I doubt this is true.
Not taking anon's word for it, but we might be looking at a grain of truth. It's noteworthy that Holly's behavior DID suddenly change overnight, as those who claim to be involved IRL have gone suspiciously quiet too.
Jared might not be under official investigation (HE might not even know if he is this soon) but it's highly likely they were WARNED by a lawyer to stop talking about it. They ran their mouths for so long, while any competent attorney would have tried to keep them quiet regardless. Maybe the advice is finally taking hold.
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It might have been content that was made before this whole shitshow went down that just isn't feasible to replace
Either way, like the other Anon said, if it comes out that Jared IS guilty in all of this (like most of us know he is) and that Holly has been defending him this entire time? Anyone who is still associating with her will drop her like a sack of heavy bricks.
It's one thing to associate with an adulterer; It's another thing to associate with someone who openly sympathized with a potential pedophile…
The only "rule" about not speaking on ongoing litigation would be if a gag order was issued (a sort of legal "knock it off and shut the fuck up" order).
I find it HIGHLY suspicious that Holly goes from never shutting the fuck up about how awful and abusive
Heidi is to not so much as a peep in days. SOMEONE locked that shit down - be it a lawyer or the authorities.
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It’s an older photo too.
Is she seeking validation or
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Or she's just trying (in vain) to be Heidi even more than she already wishes she was
No it doesn't. You can see it pretty clearly.>>833979
While I do believe that Holly is trying to skinwalk Heidi, I think she's just fishing for compliments this time around.
She wants someone to tell her how she's prettier
This is flattering for HER. The eyebrows look almost normal and that color of red suits everyone. It's also filtered to fuck. Makes her a solid 5/10. The shitty hair cut is shitty, but looks like a 13 year old cut it instead of a 7. >>833986
Before the poly thing came out, everyone was raging hard on Jared because of how much more attractive Heidi is than Holly. That must have stung…
Here's the difference: Heidi's level of "pretty" comes from her personality, from her ability to say "Look, I fucked up and made bad decision; I'm learning and growing. I apologize.". Sure, appearance wise, she's a good looking woman - but you could be on Heidi Klum's level and still be the ugliest person in the world if you have a shit personality.
Holly's level of "ugly" comes from having a shit personality that revolves solely around twisting every situation to be about her, from thinking "I'm sorry, I'm mentally ill" is a valid
apology and not just another excuse.
It really seems like someone else is controlling her account. Choosing an old pic with no comment? Only posting generic animal tweets? Could very well be a 3rd party controlling the account.
Is she making personal responses to people or commenting on random tweets on her feed? If not, I'm not buying that she's actually using Twitter for real at all.
She responded to someone earlier who asked about her return to a previous project, and a few vague tweets here and there.
Let someone else run the account. Absence from twitter won’t suddenly make her a good, caring person.
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I don't mean to sperg about Heidi, but it's also quite clear that her craftsmanship is definitely better than Holly's.
Holly was definitely jealous of Heidi being both conventionally pretty AND talented when it comes to costuming & making props.
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The original tweet account was banned (probably due to Holly's WK reporting them for saying something bad about their queen) but apparently someone was pissed enough that they were going to open a dispute on a purchase
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Good to know that her apparent insecurity over her appearance dates back to at least 2011 - Can't blame Heidi for making you insecure when you've always been that way, Holly
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Fiery red hair, eh?
That had to have pissed her off, making a character look so closely like her abuser….I mean her rival…..I mean her lover's wife.
>"I gave a refund!"
There it is again! Holly thinks that apologies & refunds will fix anything
These were posted in the first or second thread. Holly's jealousy towards pretty women is always a good way to get her true colors to come out because she acts like a whiny dog foaming at the mouth whenever a pretty girl one ups her. The Shepard that she thought was her didn't even look like her, it was such a stupid pity party.>>834018
She only replies to people when things are going to get worse for her rather than her customers.
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For those saying Holly probably isn't running her own Twitter right now, she's still being passive aggressive as usual.
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You mean like when you were so "kind" to Heidi by labeling her as an unfixable abuser?
Also, please note the way she's only replying to the hate comments and not even acknowledging the one's kissing her ass.
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This just in: Mentally Ill Rich White Girls are now a minority.
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And we're back on the "WHY DO YOU HATE ME? WHY ARE YOU BEING SO MEAN??" train.
That lasted just a couple days, but honestly longer than I expected her to hold out from playing the victim.
that's an unreasonably angry response for someone actually calling someone else out for being angry lmao
i guess she's been holding it in for too long and just had to burst out with her usual circus routine. good going, holly, just stop blaming others for the awful things you're doing to yourself
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'does it make the world a better place'. she is SO condenscending
To that I'd say: Yes Holly. It does
make me feel better to see cheaters get their 'just-desserts'.
>Does it make the world a better place to say these things to me?
I don't know, Holly - Does it make the world a better place to fuck someone else's husband then paint their reasonably angry responses as abusive
while simultaneously mocking them for having a mental illness and calling them unfixable?
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Why not? You blocked someone for complimenting Heidi on the color of a cosplay dress, but you won't block someone who is saying things that are causing you anxiety and mental duress?
So, we're back on the "look at bad comments to self harm" shit again, are we Holly?
"i'm not going to block you because then how will i claim harassment
and muh mental healz
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If you were going to get help and be happy, Holly, you would. You wouldn't cycle through and repeatedly stir the pot when it's been 2-3 days since the last round of hate.
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That was the world's fastest turn around from "Why are you so angry? Why do you hate me so much?" to "I don't really care if they say those things"
Either she's finally
realized the gravity of her words, or she's found something
She probably thought that nobody would bring Ross up since he asked to be left out of it - but it's real hard to sit back quietly and get called an abusive
when there is a multitude of evidence pointing in the opposite direction.
i hate that all she's doing is omitting the "but" from her apology which is what she got railed for. this is still her same old shenanigans, she's basically saying "i'm sorry i called her unfixable but
that was an emotional reaction", she just can't help but justify her shitty actions
I just want to know what the point of this all is. Like, why bother responding to the hate tweets (and only the hate tweets) just so she can continue painting herself as the woefully mistreated victim
who couldn't POSSIBLY be as bad as her own words/actions have made her out to be? That person she responded to was right - Out of the 118 comments (the vast majority kind and sweet), she cherry picked the worst ones to respond to, as if summoning forth her WK.
If that's all you're going to do on twitter holly, PLEASE just deactivate your account and bitch to the 1-2 remaining real life friends that you have.
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Did Holly's delete all of her streams recently?
Funny how people are starting to suspect she was abusive
to Ross, she starts to mass delete everything.
Except she can't delete shit like the vr video where Ross talks about googling "signs of an abusive
relationship" or all of the videos that people saved before she could delete the streams.
This is the internet, Holly. Once you put something out there, it's out there forever.
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Such professionalism, much kindness - Wow.
She deleted most of them after the controversy came out. In fact, I think it was during the period she was supposedly inpatient. It was pointed out a few threads ago.
She either deleted them to either hide what a massive hypocrite she is or to hide instances of her talking about Jared - her "friend in an abusive
relationship," which no doubt came up during one of her streams.
What bothers me about this is that, yes, an emotional outburst, saying something bad, is what Heidi did when pushed to the edge. But she said that stuff privately. She may have been emotional on twitter since then, but she doesn’t routinely cross the line publicly because she’s “emotional” and incite harassment.
To any WKs or Holly, Heidi’s initial tweet mentioning her was a pointed way of saying “look Holly, I have proof that you were lying now” and calling her out for using her body image issues to constantly flip the conversation against Heidi when she tried handling it privately. Those issues aren’t Heidi’s fault. They’re Holly’s problem.
Oh, I want NB to die because of it too.
I feel like Heidi only drew attention to it via her lawyer.
Cool, an apology not directed to the person you called “unfixable”.
That’s not an apology.
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If you can't understand why Holly is shit for taking a random person's suicide and making it about her when the situations differ societally, racially and contextually, then I have no hope for you anon
also sage your shit
She was wrong, and frankly insensitive, in her post because she did not know Etika. Holly even admits this near the end of her posting. She based her understanding of what he was going through on clown emojis.
She made no effort to get to know Etika before he died, and no effort to contact people who were close to him to find out what he was going through. She used his suicide and a base assumption to complain about what she was going through. That's vile.(newfaggotry)
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Anyway… here’s Holly begging for praise again, without the subtlety.
Wow it looks like shit.
Like wtf is up with that things arms and fingers?
I don't want to knock someone for doing art - but jesus, does she have to include her "uwu therapy because I'm mentally ill" shit in just about every single post she ever makes?
We get it, you're fucked in the head - Move on and try getting a personality beyond your mental illness.
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Then share it and shut the fuck up about it, Holly. If it's not you trying to get praise or approval from your WK's, why would you put "This isn't about praise" on the post? Just share the goddamned sketch and say nothing (or you feel you must, say "This is something I drew")
The bitch is still lurking lol
She thrives off of the hate and negative criticism.
>She thrives off of the hate and negative criticism
I don't think it's so much that the hate inspires her or anything - She's admitted that she uses hate comments as a form of self-harm. It's like she is purposefully making herself out to be this "uwu smol bean innocent bird mom makin art" so that her WK rush to her side and so that when even just one person says "if this isn't seeking praise, why say that?" she can pull the "IM JUST TRYING TO MAKE ART - WHY DO YOU HATE ME?? DOES BEING MEAN TO ME SOLVE ANYTHING??? JUST TELL ME WHAT I CAN DO TO MAKE THIS STOP AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHY IM JUST SPEAKING THE TRUTH AGAINST THE ABUSIVE
Even if she didn't accompany this with "I know I'm not good and I don't deserve any praise I just like ~sharing~" (what is the point of sharing if not to get attention/feedback?) the image itself is so self-pitying. Armchair, but it looks like a self-portrait. Shitty uneven haircut, "ugly" face, horns that everyone else sees - but a pure white heart, arrows of betrayal "stabbed in the back"… Taken with the quote "why is there no sound when I play so hard…" it's seems like it's about people not believing her.
I also can't stand how ingenuine her kindness sounds. "Maybe it can inspire you to do art too! Oh btw I did this while I was in therapy" It seems like she never says something nice or supports someone else without it coming back to her somehow. It comes across as really fake.
this is some babadook/where the wild things are shit, mixed with pon and zi
what sends me is that her older dragon art that was super scribbly and such was really cool, but she has to cast necromancy on 2000s emo art instead
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Her other piece of art
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Is dca/wafflecrew dead? Her description changed
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So on pj2 reddit crazy petition guy Dan is posting screenshots between him and an anonymous source (aka could just be a troll) who says Holly didn't cheat on Ross. Now he is going to spread hearsay on Twitter that has no way in being verified in the name of trying to prove Holly's innocent. Supposedly they claim Ross was furious at Heidi for not letting Jared and Holly see each other. I don't get why he is even dragging this shit into the public when there is no way to verify it and also Ross specifically said to leave him out of it. I know we speculate here but considering Dan spams and argues with people on Twitter all day and comments on Holly and Ross' shit it's just…not a good look.
He's claiming that Ross got ANGRY at Jared for not fucking his wife???
i'm willing to bet my left kidney the other account is Denica.
also according to these complete morons:>ross gives holly and jared his blessings>heidi says no, don't fuck each other>ross… gets mad she isn't letting him be cucked?
this is some absolute retarded shit even for their standards
idk if I can post the entire imgur, but the post is up on the pj2 reddit. It is absolutely absurd. Also this is all ALLEGEDLY from Holly's PoV so it's not even proof if this person is even real, which I actually doubt. This person doesn't know Heidi at all but backs up the fact that Heidi is abusive
and stayed with her bf after she asked Jared to be monogamous. How would this person know at all? They are just regurgitating shit that Holly has already said publicly with the extra caveat that Ross was furious Jared was not allowed to cuck him.
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thanks for leading me down this crazy rabbit hole, anonhttps://www.change.org/p/holly-conrad-we-believe-in-commander-holly-and-projared/u/24805896
there's some absolutely INSANE accusations here in the imgur album, i'll post the most damning ones but the whole album is just.. i have no wordshttps://imgur.com/a/NHly8CO
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it's hilarious how everyone who wants to appear real
in this shitstorm has the qualifier of "jared sent me nudes and thus you must believe me"
"his" house aka THEIR marital home
Tbh, this really makes Dan look terrible. Not only is he not respecting Ross' privacy, which Ross specifically asked for, but he is putting out completely unsubstantiated claims that can NEVER been seen as fact because Ross will never speak on this. He should have just left it alone.
i think the biggest problem i have with this is that all the comments on heidi's behavior and relationship look like unverifiable, biased gossip - something they have in common with most r/projared2 posts. the intense focus on all of 2 talking point also
doesn't make it look any less suspicious
dragging ross in these obvious crazy lies is just the cherry on top of this shit cake.
You think one person there would tell him this is a bad idea. If anything, the lack of real concrete evidence plus the fact that he is dragging an unwilling party into this will just upset Ross fans more.
Also there is another post there talking about Pamela Horton's allegations. Yet another post where they try to absolve Jared of any wrongdoing and saying Pamela only heard about Jared's inappropriate behavior second hand, and had no way of knowing what Jared really did with her pictures. Oh, you mean like Holly's second hand information about Jared and Heidi's marriage? See, it works both ways. We are supposed to take Holly's second hand accounts as fact while shutting down Pamela Horton. Why? Simply because they paint Jared in a negative light. Someone even tries to say she only spoke out to get a boost in followers. It's pretty fucking disgusting.
Only two people fit the description off the anonymous source: LadyPelvic and PeachyAenne. I'm not sure if both of them were mods for Jared, can anyone confirm?
Jared follows very few people on Twitter and his DMs are only open to people he follows. Not very hard to deduce from there.
This "sweetestrad"/Dan Pirrot guy should really quit while he's ahead. Literally none
of this is his business, but he keeps pushing & ""investigating"" (aka harassing Heidi & anyone who agrees with her) And it's more than clear that he doesn't know shit about things like divorce or how investigations actually work
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64 screenshots? Jesus. Screenshot is from commanderholly subreddit
Yeah, that's the one thing that gets me everytime.
"My wife is being so
mean & abusive
towards me right now, so think I'll send some dick pics to strangers online"
I don't think he was abused by Heidi. I think he was just tired of being married, but didn't want to tell her because having a wife boosted his 'professional' image, he wanted to have his cake & eat it too.
It's just gonna be 64 screenshots of Holly freaking the fuck out because someone yelled at her. They wanna drum up how 'ZOMG ABUSIVE
!!!!1!' Heidi was, because no one's done that yet this week…
so they've dropped their pretense of "if anyone
(we mean heidi) posts screenshots of someone's conversations it's illegal and they can be screwed in court/literal prison for it!!!!" while dropping this insane number of sixty fucking four screenshots, it seems. something makes me severely doubt these screenshots coming out at all. this whole situation screams fake>>834693
"he was falling into a deep depression… and other chicks' vaginas"
Jesus Christ, Holly needs to tell Dan Pirrot to stop doing this shit, because it will
only incriminate her even more
>"Supposedly they claim Ross was furious at Heidi for not letting Jared and Holly see each other"
Right - because who WOULDN'T want their wife to fuck their alleged best friend's husband while both parties were still married to other people?>>834679
>"They sent me screenshots of the convos, I'll link those in the next"
Fam, that's straight up doxxing and illegal. A+ on asking people to be kind, Holly Stans.
If this person sent him 64 screenshots of a conversation between her and Holly, Holly will KNOW who did it. That means Holly is allowing this person to air out this crap…therefore dragging this out even further. This is going to make Holly look worse as well. Are these people fucking idiots?
I welcome it because Holly will further be vilified for the absolute trash she is, but damn. Not very smart.
It’s obvious that whoever Dan is talking to is just writing their own fan fiction about Heidi and Jared’s divorce.
I’m sorry the idiots keep bringing him up but at least his page is private.
They'll just claim that Holly and Ross' divorce was amicable - so amicable that Holly immediately moved to the same city where her wormdick fuck buddy lived with his actual wife, where they coincidentally got involved like a month after the divorce.
Yep - Nothing says "I'm mourning the loss of a relationship I actually gave a fuck about" quite like immediately confessing my love for someone else's husband, eh Holly?
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>[theyre credible] because i recognize the per