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In the last episode, our protagonists ProJared (formerly of Normal Boots) and Holly Conrad (ex-wife on Game Grumps' Ross O'Donovan) were thrown into the midst of a media shitstorm after ProJared's poorly thought out divorce announcement prompted his soon-to-be ex-wife Heidi to expose his affair with Holly. Twitter immediately responded with their own experiences with Jared being a creepy perv. Highlights include:
- Jared creating several NSFW Tumblr accounts to post his lewds and submissions from his fans, including several underage girls. Heidi initially agreed as long as he didn't post his dick, which he did anyway without her knowledge. After closing the NSFW Tumblrs, he created a NSFW snapchat and continued the same shit.
- Jared soliciting more sexual images from said underage fans.
- Jared using his NSFW Tumblr and Snapchat to talk to girls and convince them to sleep with him at cons.
- Holly and Jared being seen making out at a con
- Holly divorcing her husband back in September and very shortly after moving to Seattle where Jared lives
- Peanut Butter Gamer making a fool of himself by telling people not to trust Heidi's statements until they know the whole truth, then apologizing for running his mouth before he knew the whole truth
- ProJared losing over 100k subscribers on Youtube in the span of a day and dropping back under one million subs, as well as getting de-verified on Twitter
- PBG dropping back under two million subs on Youtube after his tweets supporting Jared
Previous thread: >>>/snow/785476
The Let's Player formerly known as Egoraptor:https://www.youtube.com/user/egoraptorhttps://twitter.com/egoraptorhttps://www.instagram.com/egoraptor/
Reading through the caps of the reddit thread where OP recounts their experience of sleeping with Jared and fucking> PeenJared
killed me. I hope that's what he actually calls it, it's embarrassing how bad he is at dirty talk.
It's sad how much more into him she seems than he is into her. I really hope she finds happiness after this is all over.
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this didn't age well
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seems conspiracy grumps were noticing things way before the announcement
(context of the thread was about projared's videos being taken down from game grumps channel)
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Reposting Holly's tweet referring to the drama before she privated her account.
Seeing her acting like Heidi's good friend only to say "hyperbolic statement of someone you don't know" makes me so sick.
>~i've never hurt anyone in my entire life, i only want happiness for everyone uwu~
get dunked on you narc bitch
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pardon the clumsy screenshot but this is the tweet
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So there is speculation on whether Heidi and Proskelly were in an open relationship at some point.
Could this have been what started his relationship with Holly? Do you think they might use this to defend their actions like
>Heidi knew we were fucking and was okay with it until I divorced her over twitter!
Also how much did Heidi know about the exchanging nudes with fans and having sex with them?
I'm not trying to attack Heidi btw, I don't know anything about her and want to give her the benefit of doubt, just want to know other anons tinfoils.
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I KNEW that somewhere on reddit holly's tumblr posts were discussed. I have the links but I can't see the content, of course. Although I do remember holly's tumblr has been AWOL for much, much longer than the past couple of days. Because I wanted to go back and find the very posts discussed in the thread. And I came up with an account that looked like it was taken over by spam or by a bot.
I wondered why she had given up on her tumblr. I thought maybe she just wanted to drop it. This was before the divorce, by the way. It was just an empty wasteland of a blog.
If anyone knows of a way to see those posts, feel free to try
This is the main reason why I find so much humor in Holly getting exposed
was never a fan and always thought people gave her a pass and white knighted her for the same things they'd shit on Suzy for
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>>804589> Jared just always wants any hole he hasn't tapped yet.
Reading the reddit caps it definitely seems like he's a guy who likes the chase more than the girl.
I can't remember the name, but I watched a movie once where in one part of the story a girl goes out with a rich older man and he buys her dinner first and it's nice, but on the second date he doesn't want to hang out or talk at all and just wants to bang, she gets upset and he ends up raping her. That's what I thought of when Jared told his fan "There's no need for formalities this time."
So, why all the immediate backlash and unsubscribing from the fans?
Don't get me wrong. I think it's a good thing, but usually, I see trash heaps in communities like this going on about "innocent until proven guilty", "She's probably not innocent either", "All of this is ALLEGED, she could be lying guys", "We don't know what problems they had in their relationship", "No proof, fuck off" all the time. Why the almost unanimous agreement that he's trash? I'm not naive enough to think society, especially online society, is just that decent, so what gives?
Holly was equally as toxic
and they fueled each other's egos and convinced each other that they were both clever, smart, and powerful enough to manipulate people and get away with it.
Shitposting here but antphrodite explains the Jared situation: https://twitter.com/antphrodite/status/1123652948536561665
The fact that dickpics he sent to his fans were posted immediately. There was irrefutable proof pretty much from the get go. These kinds of situations are usually a he said she said kind of thing.
Even if he didn't cheat with holly he still cheated on her.
So ProJared's reddit posts are pretty interesting. While I understand him and Holly characters were rping some romance and maybe he was posting as his character, you'll notice he would often compliment fanart of Holly's character with "SO CUTE!" or "GORGEOUS" or "SHE'S HOT!".
Idc if this was all part of their dnd shit or w/e, I say it's crossing the line a bit. Haven't looked into much yet, just wanted to share. Sorry if this was already posted about.
I get it, sis, I get it. We're all sick and tired of witch hunts. Especially those of us that watched #kickvic play out.(Which coincidentally also involved many washed up has beens).
But then there are some reasons why this particular case is different. for starters neither Jared, nor Holly have denied any part of it, and silence always reads as an admission of guilt - at least in the public eye. That so many can also produce corroborating evidence up to and including dick pics leaves less room for reasonable doubt than our new girl Heidi has room for either's bullshit.
They were very close friends, Heidi considered her one of her best friends at some point. Not only have they gone on many trips together, they've worked on projects together, streamed together, shot videos together (holly deleted the ones on her channe but you can see some on Heidi and Jared's respective channels), played DnD together (off camera), hung out all the time together, and when Heidi's house flooded Holly was the first one she called and Holly and Ross immediate took Heidi and Jared in.
The fact that Holly is trying to blow her off as a nobody while also saying "uwu you guys know me I'm an innocent bean" is INSANE. I can't understand how people still have sympathy for her.
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>holly and jared at the beach
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spam filter being uncooperative
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please website let me post I swear it's not flooding
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it works when you ask nicely
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It seems fake to me, doesn't fit the theme of the playlist.
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With all this going on do you folks think Holly and Jared are gonna show their fug mugs at the upcoming D&D event? Or are they gonna hole up and hide away from all this?
shark eyes and fake smile.
i would die if someone i loved looked at me like this.
you can see her heart break a little.
Are you saying this because Mica has milk or just because you want to see Mica?
I hope Holly shows up and gets the cold shoulder from everyone, fans and hosts alike.
Fuck, man. Now that you mention it it's heartbreaking.
She clearly smiles with her entire face and eyes, while he looks fucking souless and dead.
And to recover she immediately turns her entire head away.
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All but the last link have archives. The first one you linked is a generic post about anxiety.
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The second link has a long post that I only skimmed. It has a part in it talking about how her dad's girlfriend called Holly's wedding a sham during the ceremony/reception, which is rather interesting in light of recent events.
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And the third link is about how she feels being in Ross's shadow.
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Was reading about Holly's character and saw this lol
What about those tweets from Heidi back in February saying she had been dealing with something bad for almost 2 years?
Just because they went public doesn't mean this hasn't been happening privately for a while now.
Ross went inactive for a long time from 2015-fall of 2018 and I think they filed for a divorce at least 2 years ago. I think they might have been trying to save the marriage and then Heidi found out about the affair with her husband.
Heidi said somewhere they had been going to therapy. I think this is a whole 3 year deal.
>Holly is fucked up because of her family, Ross probably got short with her over something and probably raised his voice>Holly victimized herself and ran to Jared for comfort>He used her for sex>He manipulated her and kept her as a thrill fuck.
>>804700>he manipulated her
the only thing I doubt here or at least don't want to push because this seems like it'll be Holly's way to get sympathy.
I bet she's going to cry mental illness like she always does and use the fact that Jared now has a known history of using his power to get nudes of fans and claim he did something similar to her.
What is different is while fans are vulnerable because they idolize their 'youtube idol', Holly was in his friend group and basically internet community/business relations and I'd argue they're on the same "e-celeb" status (not very popular but, known by enough. which is why it's such a big deal. if Holly was some rando girl, this be less talked about).
I think the dnd shit was a big part in this, like they both got way into their character's romances and the fanart they started wanting to get with each other, I doubt it was just him manipulating her.
I'm not trying to defend him, I just don't see her as that innocent in all of this.
I wish Heidi would release more info about the texts on that phone. Whatever she found, was enough for her to put out that scathing tweet about Holly's nudes. If she felt Holly was more of a victim
I have doubts she would have gone that far.
The whole thing about Holly thinking Jared and Heidi had an open relationship and Heidi was fine with them fucking sounds like BS too. Holly sounds like she was emotionally involved for one thing. More than just fun sex on the side.
Also, she had enough self preservation to not give out any public indication that her and Jared were fucking. Which means they were actively keeping a secret from Heidi. For over a year.
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If anything, Holly was pursuing Jared. Jared is just a deplorable dude who will stick his dick in anything that moves.
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I find it so cringy when people make DnD characters that are basically themselves.
Anyways Holly and Jared commented on a fan art of their DND characters fucking about how much they love it. This was in 2017https://www.reddit.com/r/DiceCameraAction/comments/7ks17w/nsfw_diath_x_strix_commission_above_the_bakery/?sort=top
he definitely was preying on her. She's super insecure and has the mentality of a hormonal 16 year old. She went to HIM for validation.
She was fine with having sex and cheating, or she would've played the victim
then. I figure the evidence Heidi and Ross was found was irrefutable and showed undeniable consent on both sides.
Holly is not as bad as Jared, she only wanted a fling, but she was still wrong, and she really fucked up.
"this gives me ideas"
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this truly is sending me.
Holly stans get out. They're both abusive
shits. If it was just insecurity maybe apologize to your ex best friend, or at least don't discredit her and suppress her. Maybe don't participate in the year long (or maybe longer) smear campaign to slowly isolate her and turn people against her behind her back. Maybe ask your loving husband for a bit of support instead of slandering Heidi so you can suck Jared's dick.
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>>804738>has the mentality of a hormonal 16 year old
but is also asexual? Got it.
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holy shit lmao first shuwu and then this, what a day!
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Sorry for the shit quality, but here's what I could find of their "friendship".
>>804738>Holly only wanted a fling
what are you talking about? Heidi stated that Holly's texts are basically all her begging Jared to leave Heidi because she's abusive
and that Holly was a better partner. She was in it for the long haul, not just a "fling." She literally betrayed her best friend because she was hungry for Jared's dick, she's just as bad as him.
I swear this is so odd. Jared literally looks like he enjoys himself around her but not Heidi, as posted up above of the gif of both of them.
It wasn’t until today that I even bothered to look at the GG thread but damn, this has been a Wild ride.
Anon, has she posted anything on her insta yet after all this went down?
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Helpful Links not listed in OP:>Correct insta for Arin: https://www.instagram.com/egofaptor/>NinjaSexParty insta: https://www.instagram.com/ninjasexparty/>Ross O'Donovan insta: https://www.instagram.com/rubberninja/>Heidi's Website (where she has pics of all of her and Jared's cosplays: http://www.atelierheidi.com/>Arin's Ex Katie's twitter: https://twitter.com/dropsofviolet
Otherwise good new drama summary OP. I know you just copied and pasted the OP links from the last one, but I think it probably needed to be double-checked/cleaned up since there's so many more players now (too many unnecessary links for some people, not enough/incorrect for others. It's also weird to list Arin, the spearhead of GG, as "The Let's Player formerly known as Egoraptor" when you've used real names for everyone else….and he's still known as Egoraptor. Just a weird disruption of the info). Since it's still a continuation of previous GG threads, it might also be helpful to include some previous context for stuff that might pop up again (people were already asking to be spoonfed easily accessible info in the last thread):
Suzy "the Goose" Berhow:>Has a history of scamming fans by buying cheap jewelry from China and the likes and reselling it to fans with an absurd markup as her jewelry line or as one anon put it: "creating a really expensive jewelry line that involved very little effort on her part". Arin has to come to her defense when people find out.>Previous threads over the years were mostly about Suzy's "thyroid-related" weight gain and absurd styling choices, scamming, and how she's a ~rEaL gAmEr GuRl~ >No one seems to really have complaints about her current styling choices since she lost weight and the skunk stripe and adopted a more natural look (it's much closer to her twin sister Jean's)>Suzy was a "model" when younger, and will still constantly repost the same pictures from her past over and over again, in case anyone forgot>There sometimes seemed to be some unspoken tension between Suzy and Holly. Suzy seemed to give off the vibe of being uncomfortable not being the only cool gamer gurl in the GG group, especially when up against a girl that seemed to prefer and respect.>Seems plausible that she prefers being the female center of attention given the theory that JonTron's swift and dramatic departure from GG was due in part to some beef between Suzy and Jon's girlfriend at the time. IIRC this is still all just speculation. (Jon's too big of a topic, read that one on your own for the full backstory)>A/N: I would be kind of surprised if she showed any support for Holly at all, but maybe that's just me
Holly "Manic Pixie Nightmare Girl" Conrad (Backstory/Pre-Divorce):>Holly is a talented cosplayer/craftsman/special effects artist and well respected in the community, even appearing on Syfy's "Heroes of Cosplay">Was one of the main focuses of the 2011 Documentary "Comic-Con Episode IV: A Fan's Hope" (directed by Morgan Spurlock)>Originally gained notoriety for her Commander Shepard/FemShep cosplay>Married to Ross O'Donovan, beloved animator and member of the GG Family, from 2012 to 2018>When it came to Arin/Suzy vs Ross/Holly most people preferred Ross and Holly, because they felt less fake and Holly was famous separate of Ross, not riding her husband's coattails like Suzy.>Was best buds with Jared's wife Heidi, another talented and respected cosplayer/craftsman>Apparent tragic backstory = quirky anxiety uwu. I don't really know the whole backstory on this one, not sure if it really matters. >But was apparently close to ger grandfather and inherited his house(?) in Washington(?) when he passed away which was in theory part of the reason she and Ross amicably split. Jared and Heidi just also happened to live in Washington.>Other speculated factors included Holly being asexual (lmao), the toxic GG fan-community, "having codependency issues", and wanting to leave LA while Ross wanted to stay>Publicly their divorce was mutual, amicable, and came as somewhat of a shock….OR WAS IT?>Basically all this drama is so juicy because Holly "quirky manic pixie dream bird gurl, asexual anxiety, luvs animals so obviously wouldn't hurt anyone uwu" Conrad was the surprise plot twist villain we never saw coming
Heidi of the House O'Ferrall, Hell Hath No Fury, Giver of Zero Fucks, Destroyer of Careers>I've followed Heidi for years for cosplay stuff, so I can only speak from that perspective but I don't think there's really much else to say about her>I think some people in the cosplay community found her kind of cocky, but she didn't seem to really rock the boat too much>She's a much more detail oriented and talented craftsman than your average costhot. Produces tutorials and shows her work in progress pretty in depth (not as common with cosplayers these days, so I think she's appreciated for that)>IIRC she has a degree in Theatre/Costume Design, so if she's cocky her work quality at least backs it up>Personally I followed her for a long time for cosplay stuff without ever even knowing who she was married to or who ProJared was. Can't speak for others, though I'm sure it didn't hurt her popularity>"She had sex with my husband", top 10 anime deaths of all time
Jared "Pigeondick" Knabenbauer>I've actually never really known or cared about ProJared or NormalBoots before this, I just wanted to call him a Pigeondick.>Maybe someone more informed can give a backstory, though again I'm not sure if it really matters>big yikes >>804556
Previous GG Threads:>Jon vs Dan speculations, are the Suzy nudes real or fake, blah blah blah, old news. Seriously, don't ask to be spoonfed this old dried up milk. Go read about it on your own. >There is a whole subreddit dedicated to GG Rule 34 where they sexualize the girlfriends/wives as well as the grumps called r/polygrumps. Suzy once long ago tweeted in support of polygrumps, but it seems like an especially toxic corner of their already toxic fanbase. I doubt she would confirm that support today.>GG sells a merch line called Game Gyaru "based on Arin and Danny, reimagined as female characters inspired by the anime series Dirty Pair, named Arina and Daniella respectively". It's a blatant tracing of the characters from "Dirty Pair" that they did not initially acknowledge. (Pic related: Top is GG, Bottom is Dirty Pair)>GG release body pillows of Dan and Arin. They sell out very quickly. It's gross: >>792883>Guess what Jon's an even worse blatantly sexist/racist person than we ever could have imagined>Katie/Suzy/deviantART
Katie (Most recent GG drama unrelated to PigeonGate 2019 ):>Suzy claims she and Arin have been together since 2002. Arin's mysterious deviantART ex Katie shows up from an apparent cryogenic sleep after 10+ years and throws an insane hissy-fit about how Arin was pursuing HER during that time and she turned HIM down. >Thinks Suzy poisoned Arin against being BEST FRIEND her despite the fact that she was married, disappeared from the internet, lived across the country, and was definitely leading Arin on for some time. Arin seems to have bought her some gifts in this time.>Claims any of this is important at all because she was Arin's inspiration for a character "a woman being beaten and raped but wanting Egoraptor to be her knight in shining armor even though she's an ex-assassin">Now obsessed with Arin/Suzy/GG, obsessed with the notion that Suzy is somehow copying her every move and personality trait (again, despite the fact that she just now reemerged and Suzy was probably ~13 when all of this started)>Consensus: Arin was a dumb teenage boy who was probably involved with both of them, the situation makes Suzy look incredibly sane. Also it's been 17 years who gives a shit. (Guess what: Katie does)>Obviously overshadowed by current milk, but I just feel like we haven't seen the last of Katie. Probably in like 5 years she'll catch up on the current drama and have a real hot take.
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Wow just wow.
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Fucked up trying to post this so hopefully it works now but I found it amusing.
To be fair he used to be very loving towards Heidi until the last year-ish or so (not sure on the timeline, I didn't take detailed notes on it because I didn't know this was all going to blow up!) But he used to look happy in pics with her and mentioned her and praised her all the time as well as complimented promoted her work. He also made it very obvious he was married (ex, linking her in all his bios) and all his fans knew about her, it's nothing like it was recently. As sad as it all is, I do believe that it was a happy marriage for many years before Jared and Holly decided to take a steamy dump on it.>>804788
Bless your heart.>>804790
Is this the signature Smeg "Dreamworks Eyes"? Makes me gag.
The most ambitious crossover of the century.
Thankfully Heidi seems smarter than to take that bait "especially with that "I know those guys" clout drop. At least I hope she is, because if not she'd be walking away from one abuser right into the arms of the next.
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>i doubt thi`ll actually be seen
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>>804802>I know a few people>I'm here to talk if you ever want to
omg she's so thirsty for attention
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looking back at tagged photos it's so obvious that something was going on.
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>omg she's so thirsty for attention
Imagine if it comes out that Jared send dick picks to KT too.
A lot of girls settle for nerds because of "shared interests" and because they think they're funny. Hasn't your friend ever gotten a crush on an ugly ass dude and shown you a picture like, "Isn't he cute??". The standards for men are low, these people are like a High School anime club and they're dating/fucking eachother because they're birds of a feather.
Holly is a grown ass adult and can make proper decisions, she knows right from wrong and if she felt empathy for Heidi at all she could have said no at any point. They fucked because they wanted to, it's really that deep.
Holly and Jared are both in their 30s, with a 1 year age difference. I feel like she's being infantilized as this helpless little creature despite her whole "Your wife is so mean, come be with me instead I'll treat you nice! Look, here's my tits!"
They're both gross. Jared seems like a sex addict, which I'm sure any ugly weirdo would be if they were able to be. He's taking the lead for creepiest abuser, though.
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The replies are so brutal it's amazing.
Jared is yet another nice guy ™ and male feminist that puts the cake.
Then they wonder how girls don`t go for the shy nerd type who go out of their way to Whiteknight, they are overcompensating for being manipulative assholes and will eventually Rise Up.
Holly is yet another argument against the manic pixie girl type. This story is really about the dawn of 00s nerd archetypes.Evn KT is like the sad afterstory of the KH, nightmare before christmas faux goth girls that never grew up.
Is like when the hippie era ending with the Manson murders, like the facade comes crashing down and its a grotesque and compelling spectacle. Normies must feel vindicated for looking through the bs all along.
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Of course it happens with normies too, like whenever a bible thumper conservative is found with hookers and blow, is fucking beautiful. The best milk.
I am refering to the irony of building a subculture and a persona around moral standards that ends up backfiring. You might as well not bother with the fake identity politics and pc shit to begin with.
Slightly OT. I noticed a lot of people are comparing Pidgeongate to what started Gamergate, except the sexes are reversed. I am well aware Zoe's a fucking cow and even had her own thread in /pt/, but I think it's hilarious seeing people who are anti-GG hop on this and not trying to be the virtue signalers they are.
Holly's always had an unlikable personality to me. She definitely felt more fake than Suzy, I can't point out exactly why. I just had a gut feeling.>>804735>so many little details
God bless you, DSP.
My bad for the phrasing.
I was using it more in the sense that he was on a greedy power trip that escalated the more he had access to people, rather than saying he had an uncontrollable problem. I think he’s a wheedling, manipulative vampire like Nick Robinson.
This. Can we keep from infantilising her? She could've told a shrink about her urge to homewreck but she didn't and she dedicated a lot of will and time to wrecking this marriage. Mentally ill people have agency. She is as much a pos as he is.
If the roles were reversed, nobody would cut a male homewrecker slack for his mental illness and rightfully so
True. Sage for blog, but I used to feel really attracted to men in relationships. Going to therapy really helps and there is no excuse for homewrecking imo.
That said, Projared is 1000% more sleazy and guilty.
don't shit where you eat.
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Now every time I see these photo, I can only see Jared
>>804859>This story is really about the dawn of 00s nerd archetypes.
Damn, that's insightful.>>804861
All groups of people are full of shit like this, but it is truly spectacular when a group that prides itself on being above 'normie' shit and so much more complex/deep/unique/intelligent/morally righteous is revealed to be no different than anybody else, and if anything worse. In the case of nerd culture it's always fun to watch a bunch of emotionally-stunted, vapid imbeciles reap the consequences of refusing to grow up. Hopefully the community continues to hold them accountable; it seems like this might be unlikely in the case of Holly, a 30-something adult woman who seems to be getting a pass from many people because of her ~uwu mental illness uwu~>>804874>You might as well not bother with the fake identity politics and pc shit to begin with.
The moral posturing helps them prey on women and girls. The average woman would not trust a meme-spouting /pol/ addict, but she might trust a woke feminist.
He did actually have one.
Also I guess this week is killing youtubers and their careers cause James charles is also now being fired upon this week just keeps on giving
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>>804793>I was focused on the PeenJared drama
So you're a newfag who doesn't understand how any of this works, but felt the need to make a sloppy thread about the new shiny drama that you didn't even bother proof-reading? And you can't even sage your post?>I'll make the the new Game Grumps thread!>But instead of Game Grumps in the Game Grumps thread, I'll make it about Jared>Hmm…well there's been 9 previous Game Grumps threads, but Jared's penis is the only thing that really matters now
People in the last thread even specifically said to keep it a Game Grumps General thread, not a Jared/Normal Boots thread and you did the exact opposite of that.
Actually he didn't even have to avoid Holly, if he was just more respectful about how he released his divorce statement this might have all been avoided for him. Heidi already arranged to move out and agreed to the divorce. She had been tweeting back in February about how she had gone through some rough shit (she didn't say what but it's clear now that it was Jared and Holly's abuse) for a year but was trying to move on and focus on herself. She specified she wasn't going to talk about specifics in public as she didn't feel it was anyone's business. That is until Jared decide to publicly perpetuate his abuse of her by handling the divorce "statement" in a terrible way. He preemptively blocked Heidi and all of her friends, waited until he was out of town so she couldn't even try to talk to him privately if she wanted to, and released a bullshit statement that sounded like it spoke for both of them when she never gave her consent and he didn't even warn her, and it forced the "this is an amicable split and we're still friends!" narrative on her that was obviously false. This was the last straw for Heidi and it is what caused her to go public (and subsequently many of his victims
He basically looked at Holly and Ross's divorce statement and said to himself "Hmm, how can I get all the ass pats they did but also abuse Heidi as much as possible all in one move?" Had he just been decent about one fucking tweet he'd still have a career right now.
But hey he probably ran it by Holly first at least, right? I'm sure she totally gave, like, a lot good feedback. He probably was with her when he posted too, for emotional support and so she could be there first to respond wink, wink
. It was toootally worth it I'm sure.I may be getting a little too into this because I had an ex just like Jared but never got the satisfaction of getting my revenge so I'm living vicariously through Heidi. Bless this woman for how she handled everything, once he crossed the line she went scorch to earth and didn't flinch once this entire time.
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the comments of any posts with holly and Jared on IG are flooded with this
Thats good, these people exploited cheap, low effort , low quality content and made youtube benefit spam machines rather than creators. The rise of lets players meant downfall for animators and content creators who actually put effort but can´t upload 5 times a day.
I don´t much care for them
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Dang, ya'll are good. I've been following the GG threads for years now and never paid her much mind. I was just too blinded by the Goose to notice I guess. When I found out she and Ross were split I was so bummed that the last GG thread was locked and dead, it seemed so surprising to me. That or she tricked me with her dumb Kermit voice.
(I was just looking for a silly kermit gif but you know what, this one feels right. This is essentially what Holly and Jared called their fucking anyways.)
It's really amazing. I'm so glad Heidi just fucking laid it all out there, tagged them and all, and let the floodgates open with no remorse. Not only does she get the catharsis of her abusive
ex getting dragged through the mud but her one tweet allowed other victims
to come up and tell their stories. Honestly this milk has given me hope for humans because now one more egotistical fuck ugly male has lost all his power and can't hurt his victims
anymore. I hope all of the 'open secret' abusers start shaking in their boots because women have made it clear that we will not take it anymore.
It seems he only came onto fans and left other youtubers alone (probably didn't want to risk his victims
having a platform). The only reason he got with Holly was because she was so aggressive about perusing him.
i hadnt heard that holly was supposedly “asexual” so i did some digging, sorry for the copy & paste, i’m on my phone
Sorry if this is like, rude or not okay, or you’ve already answered this (if so ignore/tell me!!! I’m sorry!!!) but what’s your sexuality?? I’ve noticed you’ve been reblogging a lot of pride stuff lately and I’m just curious!
It’s not rude! I actually have been thinking a lot about this recently and I’ve been meaning to post something about it, so this sort of prompted me to do it.
Last year around this time I came out as pansexual. I thought because I didn’t see any difference between gender attraction wise, that I identified as that. Recently I’ve had to do a lot of self-reflection on my sexuality and I read this book: https://www.amazon.com/Invisible-Orientation-Introduction-Asexuality-Generation/dp/1634502434/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1522824422&sr=8-1&keywords=asexual+book
It’s a book about being asexual and I realized that that describes me MUCH better than pansexual alone. Especially being Grey-asexual/demisexual. I still don’t see any difference in gender, but when I read this book it was literally like everything I’ve ever felt made sense. Growing up I never had crushes, I only felt anxious when people pressured me into needing a partner. My first kiss was absolutely terrible because I felt like it was something I HAD
to do. I had no connection to this person and felt nothing except anxiety. I felt wrong, and broken, and like I never understood what others were experiencing when they talked about sex. I remember my first boyfriend even asking if I liked
physical touch because I didn’t understand so intensely. I didn’t talk about sex with friends because I didn’t understand it and it just wasn’t interesting to me.
Now this doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy physical sex as an act or romantic relationships, I’m in one. I have felt very occasional sexual desire, but not linked to any physical look. What I experience is VERY much so not often and very much only in response to an emotional connection with the other person or situation. Sometimes it’s confusing or brief or incredibly intense and then gone. But I don’t walk around the world and think “oh that random stranger is hot and I feel something for them” that just doesn’t happen to me, ever.
My whole life I’ve been told I was wrong, a prude, etc. But finally, at 31, I’ve started to understand my sexuality and that I’m not broken and that I’m ok.
I was so confused growing up, and felt so isolated and strange. I’m making this post so you know that you’re ok if you grow up and feel confused like I did. You’re not wrong, and you’re good no matter what at whatever age or place in your life you’re at. Don’t let anyone tell you what you experience is invalid. <3 https://sparkkeyper.tumblr.com/post/172594433392/sorry-if-this-is-like-rude-or-not-okay-or-youve
why she gotta make everything so fuckin dramatic. I too am like, "demisexual" and it's really not that deep. I just feel more attracted to someone when I have an emotional connection with them, yikes. If you didn't like someone back then, you just didn't. Clearly she liked something in Ross enough to marry him I guess, but the way she talks is like other people are hormonal sex beasts that ogle at everyone and think about fucking them. She alluded to an abusive
person in one of her posts and I have a feeling it's that same ex.
Big woop Hooly, so you didn't like your abusive
ex so much. You aren't broken, you are more normal than you think. A late bloomer who values emotional connections, bitch you ain't special
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I was kinda curious if Volpin liked any tweets in this whole fiasco as I know he is friends with Heidi on some level but also is a male feminist that had an affair while gas lighting his wife and "jokingly" brought one of his multiple mistresses onto panels as the "Volpin Props Community Manager". Found this little exchange from just a couple of weeks ago that made me giggle. People are delusional for ever thinking Holly was a good source of mental health advice. Mental Heath Mondays were so gross, glad she'll never be able to do them again, good riddance!
Isn't everyone more attracted to people that they have emotional connections to? All of that could be easily understood and summarized with "bisexual with low sex drive".
Anywho, all of that is why I'm not yet fully convinced that she really wanted the PeenJared, per se. That and there were probably hundreds of nerdy horndogs sliding into her DMs that she could have fucked instead. Nah, what she wanted (IMHO)was someone close and safe that could her love her paternally, and thought trading sex to an already married pedo was the way to go about it. Not excusing her behavior, just armchair psychologizing it.
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this person should have bought a lottery ticket, damn
everyone called OP crazy/far fetched in the comments (they weren't important so I didn't include them)
No, he went through high school in an Australian Grammar(boarding) school, and only expanded his horizons elsewhere slightly before Arin set him up with the Grumps. That's why his early Gamer Tonight vids were able to be featured on a low effort Australian Video Game review show.
He was also only able to first shake hands with Holly as a fan because he flattered her in saying he moved all the way from Down Under just to meet her.
Like, I know he still looks 12ish, but he's actually much older.
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I did a little digging and he's a dual Irish/Australian citizen. In 2015 he mentioned doing some "final immigration stuff" paperwork, and says he is a permanent resident green card holder. not sure if his marriage would aid in securing permanent resident status (I'm not educated about immigration stuff like that) but I've attached a relevant tweet
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"Everyone makes mistakes uwu"
I just started reading this for fun, dont know these people besides lurking the suzy thread occassionally, how the fuck is holly seemingly completly fine with all of this
What the fuck is up with the ugliest dudes getting a little clout and becoming street whores?? And cheating on their legit caring and way too forgiving wives that love them for what is holly, a fraggle rock gremlin troll?
If he already was a permanent resident with a green card, then he wouldn't need to marry someone to stay in the country. Non-Citizens will marry when they need to get the actual green card. Their spouse is essentially a sponsor.
Being a dual citizen from 2 different countries can validate this. If he were to become naturalized in the US, he'd forfeit both of his Australian and Irish citizenships to become a US citizen.
The only thing that would help her significantly now besides time is giving a real explanation of what happened, if she really thought him and Heidi were already separated, etc. The internet is going to keep going buckwild over this and leaving her fanbase in droves otherwise because she is making herself look guilty by stomping her feet and then running away.
Of course it's an emotionally charged situation so she's freaking out but fans of her, Jared, and Heidi are all going to want a real explanation if she has one. Ultimately Jared is way more responsible for what happened as the married man but given how Heidi said Holly manipulated him into wanting to leave Heidi for Holly (which admittedly is a little dubious given that Jared was already a piece of shit cheater who didn't need much motivation to neglect his wife), Holly needs to give a real answer other than outright denial since there is already proof they did have an affair so total denial like "you can't just believe her!" doesn't work here at all.
Damn don't insult Fraggle Rock like that anon. She looks like your stereotypical Tumblr SJW at most. A cunt inside and out is all Holly ever will be.
She went from this innocent pigeon D&D playing witch geek girl with a solid fanbase who really cared about her, especially when it involved her thoughts on mental health, to absolute narcissistic back pedalling damage control piece of shit in a matter of a few days. What an amazing downfall.
Fuck she was sooo jealous of Ross, of course people like him and GG more then you.
Anything else anon? How did people react to her? Did anyone say anything about how she was acting?
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I am putting my tinfoild hat on and kind of waiting for this to end with Heidi being implicated in some milky stuff as well. They all seem to come from the same barrell and there is something fishy about the whole thing, the GG obviously know some shit, these guys might as well have been running a sex network and all fucking each other. Everyone´s trying so hard to save face and keep their PR that we are likely not getting the whole picture, even from Heidi.
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imagine being in your 30's and still trying to define yourself with identities that only a teenager would need to figure out who they are. how embarrassing, talk about a failure to launch.>>805027>I too am like, "demisexual" and it's really not that deep. I just feel more attracted to someone when I have an emotional connection with them, yikes.
…so you're a normal person? Why do you need a fucking label to describe being sexually attracted to someone when you're romantically attracted to them?>>805038
They use 'quirkiness' and mental illness to absolve themselves of responsibility for the mistakes that they make, despite the fact that everybody has idiosyncrasies and despite the fact that mental illness (and childhood abuse) are experienced by a huge proportion of the population in America and other Western countries. They portray themselves as fragile to give themselves and others the illusion that they have depth and in order to manipulate the people around them.
As a general rule of thumb you should never trust somebody who brings up their health condition(s) incessantly outside of communities centered around those conditions. It tends to mean that being sick or damaged is a huge part of their identity and it'll bleed into how they think and act in a very negative way. Of course there are exceptions like severely disabling or terminal illness, but otherwise it's a good idea to approach with a high degree of caution.>>805052
tbf, what option does she have? She's going to get shit on regardless of whether or not she takes a break from social media; may as well lie low and let some of the heat die down.>>805118
Whatever baggage Heidi has can't be remotely as bad as her husband's given how forthcoming she was about the dirty details. She obviously isn't worried about retaliation
I personally find the fact Heidi was "OK" with him swapping nudes with random girls on the internet to be highly suspicious, she also goes in on Holly more
than Jared in her announcement (the bitta slut shaming about her nudes) and the clearly untrue statement about his big penis.
The GIF posted upthread - you can see he has literally zero real emotion about her but she's still sitting contented. I think she was totally smitten with this weasel and chose to overlook absolutely everything - was probably even going to stay together with him had he not decided to divorce. Her idea of a "rough patch" is a little rougher than most.
So it's likely there is some dirt on her in terms of how she condoned the nude swapping, her awareness of the ages of the people involved (everyone knows Tumblr is full of teenagers) and what exactly was said between Jared and Holly in the texts. Her posting this all on Twitter was a stategic power move but it was fuelled by the fact she still cares about/loves him and was ensuring the "new" relationship with Jared and Holly was not going to start off smoothly.
>>805148>goes in on Holly more than Jared in her announcement
i have no idea what you're talking about when she had like tens of posts detailing what a cold, gaslighting bastard jared has been to her, and maybe 2 posts about how holly wrecked the relationship.>everyone knows Tumblr is full of teenagers
i think it's fair to give anyone a pass for believing that their husband won't ask minors to send him nudes. that combined with the fact that he was lying to the fans about heidi's involvement, and lying to heidi about the nature of the pics he sent/received, makes me kinda not agree with you about dirt on heidi.
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i can't stop laughing
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KT tries to insert herself into recent events, and remains genuinely crazy
>>805041> is a total brat at parties
kek, not surprising at all.>>805078
Kinda wonder if Ross was too successful for her and that was a factor in her getting "comfy" with Jared. Jared technically was bigger than her still, but not to the extent that GG was, and his fan base wasn't nearly as fanatical and outspoken.
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> …so you're a normal person? Why do you need a fucking label to describe being sexually attracted to someone when you're romantically attracted to them?
how did you manage to skip the fact I used quotation marks on purpose, and my entire post was about saying that it's actually normal and she's just being overly dramatic as if the rest of the world are hypersexualized thrust motors who only want to dick or get dicked?
If you weren't being specific to me then the label exists because sometimes you can see a person over ahead and be like "hmm they look good" and you become interested to flirt or start up a conversation, etc, or how someone might sleep with a stranger because ~sexual chemistry. For demisexuals it means they kinda blank out the world completely but having that emotional connection with someone allows them to "see" that person in that context. I dunno anon, I didn't make the term, I was just a confused youth who was also a late bloomer like Holly, but I'm a grownass woman now and I don't give a shit about what people think of me
It's ironic that the "demisexual" who doesn't really "get" sex and attraction is the cheating one, and with Phineas. You'd expect Ross to cheat because he wasn't getting fulfilled in the romantic/sexual department.(no1curr)
I'd sage if you're planning on spouting inaccurate bs. If the very concept of discussing something is "making the site tumblr" then you better get off the damn internet then, because you have tunnel vision. I'd also look into reading comprehension classes so you can understand what I've said for two posts now.
I explained what it is based on other peoples' descriptions and feelings on the matter. From the very start I said she isn't a special snowflake and she's more normal than she thinks. I'm sorry the word demisexual triggers
you, should look into that btw.
How bout you stop making shit up and whining about shit you don't understand
Do that challenge nonny
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Holly's subreddit turned against her.https://www.reddit.com/r/CommanderHolly/
I really hope she doesn't come whining to Ross and make him her personal tissue.
Who is this kissing Holly’s obese ass all the time? Since the Suzy days too, why would anyone be a fan of Hoggy?
Has she ever been caught self posting?
Some people are just too easily tricked by the "uwu soft manic pixie girl" facade. They think she's cute (not my opinion, it's theirs), and in their eyes a cute girl who is a mental health advocate can do no wrong, because "uwu back off guys she has anxiety!" They feel like admitting she fucked up is stigmatizing ALL mental health problems, because holly primed them to think that way.
They can't accept that sometimes people are both mentally ill and just plain old bad people at the same time, and that doesn't have to mean that all mental ill people are bad. I'm sure Jared has something wrong in his head, it doesn't give him a pass though, and Holly sure as hell doesn't get one either because her streams "uwu helped my anxiety one time during finals".
Also I'm sure at least a few of them are just bad people who are vicarious defending themselves and whatever horrible things they did in their personal life by defending Holly.
I personally think people used to white knight Holly as a means to "prove" they're not sexist for hating Suzy. Like a "SEE I DON'T HATE WOMEN BECAUSE HOLLY IS GREAT"
I never got it because you could accuse Holly of the same shit Suzy was always accused of and made fun of for.
Suzy was always ragged on for being ugly and having an annoying, then turn around and say how cute and hilarious Holly's potato looking goblin ass was. Suzy's goth obsession was cringey, but Holly wanting to fuck birds was endearing. Suzy was a feminazi bitch for talking about sexism once, where Holly literally said that calling her mom is sexist and no one cared.
The only difference between Suzy and Holly then was that Suzy's reputation was in the shitter and Holly was clean. My, how the tables have turned
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Since this is an imageboard, I'll post the actual caps of her convos with Jared.
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This is the first instance I've seen of GG interacting with the situation (outside of Ross saying "please leave me alone"). I wonder if Ross asked all the GameGrumps at the start of the situation not to comment because it involved Holly/might have involved him being cheated on. Maybe Ross and Holly made a private agreement to not talk negatively about each other and that extended to the rest of GG? I didn't think Ross had a role beyond getting played by Holly, but now reading other people's theories is making me wonder.
This makes me think
>Katie praised for being better than Suzy>Turns out Katie is a crazy narc bitch that can't move on
>Holly praised for being better than Suzy>Turns out Holly is a insufferable narc bitch, cheater and a homewrecker
At the end Suzy is gonna end up being a saint of game grumps.
Holly's fanbase looks like they're more betrayed over the entire ordeal, while Jared's fans are absolutely livid. Maybe Jared's fans are mainly guys, while Holly's are mostly girls, idk. It's still a huge 180 to immediately go from "quirky birb mom mental health advocate" to #double homewrecking cheater/Jared's enabler"
I think they're whiteknighting her because they really want to give the person they've looked up to for all these years the benefit of the doubt while they reconcile all this shit. I guess the main difference between the subreddits is that Holly's fanbase seems to have been built up as a supportive community for everyone involved, while Jared's wasn't nearly as intimate. Not condoning any of the bullshit Holly pulled, but commenting on what it probably feels like for her fans.
I think the difference in anger is because although Holly is a homewrecking two faces snake. in the end all she did was cheat. which again is bad on its own BUT Jared also coerced teenagers into having sexual interactions with him which is on a whole nother level.
What Jared did doesn't excuse what Holly did but there is just more to it.
Lol, she thinks that's gonna work.
Her tweet is screenshotted everywhere, has been mentioned in thousands internet drama videos.
Discrediting Heidi and calling her "someone random on the internet you guys don't know" isn't gonna work either, especially when you have evidence such as >>805199
where she's obviously pretending to be a good friend to Heidi.
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>>805209>he did know my actual age
If she has a text of this than she better use that as proof because that'll be the most fucked up thing he's done so far. I 100% believe she was 15 it's just scumbags like proskelly will always claim to not have known the age of the teen they were talking to.
I wonder how Holly feels knowing she was trying to win over a pedo? They totally deserve each other.
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>>805209>he also had a threesome with two unknown men where he prematurely ejaculated
I can’t stop laughing
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>>805220>he also used to stand in front of his open window completely naked
Imagine just having an average day, walking out to do errands or some shit and you look up and have your eyes assaulted by ProPerv and hiss 11 year old body and he's flopping that tiny wiener out in front of his open window.
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the person made a report. i so hope he rots in hell.
You're probably right. Considering what Jared is being accused of is downright criminal, sleeping with someone's husband pales in comparison. Even if that someone was a close friend, and even if she tried to act like she doesn't know Heidi.
What she did is still fucking disgusting and I doubt she'll ever totally live it down, but I'm sure some people will be willing to forgive and she can have some sort of career still, thanks to that.
Jared is probably done, though.
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>>805220>make fun of his pubes because it’ll piss him off>premature ejaculation
This is the cow that just keeps on giving
I swear to God, do normal people do roleplay like this? Or is it always
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Even though she can't show his acknowledgement he knew, there's still the tricky issue that she's presently 16. He's in strife.
She'll be in deep shit as well too if she sent any nudes, because that's distribution of child porn, which is far bigger of a charge than Jared will get if they never met or anything.
As much as people want to see Jared go down, the people doing the sending that happened to be underage is in deeper shit.
someone else had asked the same question in the thread and brought up the anecdote of two teens prosecuted for filming themselves in the act.
, according to her he is the guilty party and not her, going by her state laws. i might be wrong though, non-US anon here who doesn't know jack shit about your laws sorry
Yeah it's tricky when its 2 underage teens, because they're both technically breaking the law but both are within the same age frame/same age that they'll get charged based on parent's decision to press charges.
A 16 year and a, say 26 year old? That's automatic charges of statutory rape as well as child porn distribution (from the 16 year old.) "Grooming" carries a charge too but only if they've met up for sex and there's actual physical evidence of it taking place.
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it's a bit hard to believe that this idiot fucked up SO bad that i'm having to say "at least
there's no evidence that he fucked the younger fans"
and feeling relieved at that
i hope we get some news soon on how the report pans out, really
can report him online if they're unable to do so in person to law enforcement https://report.cybertip.org/
Sort of. Unless they lied, Snapchat won't have that data stored similar to KiK, which is why so many people use them.
In the forensics work I've done, you can only pull up so much from the user side of things. So it's very possible, but it depends on how deep things have to get and how much risk is involved with snap inc.
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More choice memes from the subreddit
i have this theory that he was originally the one who seduced holly and made her feel special like all these other girls are saying. i don't think she knew he was soliciting nudes and having sex with other girls.
that's not to excuse her actions, she definitely cheated on her husband with her good friend's husband and if what heidi is saying is true she also had a hand in convincing jared to be with her instead of heidi and turning him against her.
iagree if she's smart she can play this out as being a victim
of jared as well, while still owning up to the shitty thing she did to heidi.
If it's similar to what I went through in high school, she was in a vulnerable place and Jared started giving her compliments, and it escalated from there. He tells her how unhappy he is in his relationship, and she becomes angry at that relationship, thinking she's so much better because of all the attention he's giving her. She tries to break them up because in her head, she's ending his unhappiness and also they can be together, when really, she should've known how much of a tool he is, not engage, and find another guy. When you have low self-esteem, you'll do a lot of shitty stuff.
Even if that's what happened, she's handled it really stupidly. She could've gotten out of this relatively unscathed, but that shitty post cemented her in this shitstorm.
Wah wah wah :’(
stop infantalising her. Shes a grown ass woman in her thirties who wanted to feel better than someone else by fucking their husband, going so far as fucking a “friends” husband. Well jokes on her flabby ass, he was fucking lots of others at the same time, she should get checked for STD’s
She was married and had a husband that cared about her.
Being manipulated over your low self-esteem is bad and it could make Holly appear in a more sympathetic light but she was still in her 30s, adult and in a marriage with a caring husband. Bitch just wanted to feel more special than her game grumps husband.
"You know me, i'm a good person and would never do this - don't believe some rando." + "i'm sorry jared and i'm here for you~" is where she truly revealed her own narcissism.
Also the whole "we are breaking up so Holly can move into the state with trees" was scummy as fuck and now everyone knows what that meant.
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>>805321>said she was stupid and has the mentality of a high schooler>stop infantilizing her!!!
but the most important thing is that she's fat, right anon-chan?>>805323
where in my post did I say she's innocent? I called her stupid, and what she did was super gross.
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Found this post on tumblr, does anyone here know more about the highlighted part?
this art by shad is literally just bait and clinging to twitter trends desperate for relevancy. It's not that deep.>>805317
If Holly was in the public eye with a career at stake, a mental health advocate who serves as a rolemodel and if she was Heidi's GOOD friend who had her trust, she should've had so many moments questioning this affair if there is anything redeemable about her character.
Leaving the question: How do you betray your friend like this over and over and over and turn around to play friendship and not end the affair out of pure emotional exhaustion? and how do you pretend to be a rolemodel and not wonder if you deserve to be seen as such with that skeleton in the closet? how can you kid yourself this won't come out and don't consider that maybe you should do better if only for the sake of your career?
literally, don't project your highschool experience onto her
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that's what one of the people that called him out said on twitter https://twitter.com/swampborzoi/status/1126516324581007360
I assumed that the projared/game grumps videos were put on private because of the cheating scandal but maybe it's because they found out about him talking to minors and knew that it would come out?
>>805317> I did a dumb thing when I was in high school.
Holly is 30 years old. Sure, what you did was a bad move, but Holly doing it at 30 is a different level of stupid and gross. Similarly, I think a 16 year old boy exchanging nudes with 16 year old girls is dumb and a bad idea, but a 30-something dude doing it is a different level of stupid and gross.
Also Holly has shown to be more active in the abuse than you seem to believe, so stop fucking defending her actions and reasoning.
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Holly enabled his pedo abuse? I am so ready to watch her go down with the pedo ship. It's satisfying to see Jared get taken down, but I was low key a little annoyed that Holly would probably get off scotch free in the long run because because her fuck ups paled in comparison to his.>>805380
What parts are wrong? Spell it out.
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Here is another post recalling Holly being a scum
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Not only that but gave the contact info/email of the underage victims
to Jared without their consent.
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Now that she has shut down everything, I've been browsing her fan blogs and there is a lot of gold in there
No, most of it is actually private but I never followed her so I can't access it.
Here is Holly giving an interview for "Asexual Artists"https://asexualartists.tumblr.com/post/169822685132/interview-holly
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so we can confirm Holly was not attracted to ProPerv's 11 year old body and small penis, then what was it (assuming any of her asexuality shit is true)?
I never really believed the asexual thing since Ross semi-admitted he and her did sexy talking online before marrying and she herself made a lot of sexual jokes and implications
This might have just been an excuse to stop fucking Ross when she got tired of him and wanted Jared/someone else.
They also don't plain bother to get around to it if the Youtuber is a big enough name. See for reference Logan and Jake Paul making a circus out of the corpses of suicide victims
, for instance.
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this didn't age well either
Probably because Heidi doesn't look like a cross-eyed hobo granny.>>805427
This. Not to mention PervJared or Holly Homewrecker might have some retarded fans who would try something dumb. It's better to be safe than sorry.
I totally get that but considering how highly illegal this situation became, I hope youtube does the right thing or gets major backlash for not deleting their channels.
Both of these losers need real repercussions for keeping this quiet, what better way than losing everything.
Youtube usually takes down channels if the channel owner is officially sentenced (austin jones, daddyofive) or if it makes a big enough stink. But like >>805447
said if the channels make enough money for youtube they'll let them stay up until the last possible moment. Even with an international media/internet shitfest scandal of a situation it was STILL profitable enough to not delete the video; Only take off his monetization temporarily and kick him off google preferred after he tazed a dead rat on camera.
But projared is not as big or popular as youtube's golden boy, so we'll see. I for one am eagerly awaiting for this pedo to lose his channel.
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I mean, he didn’t specifically say Jared was in the wrong, no. But the way I read it was that he defended what he thought was true, but now he’s seen the actual truth he doesn’t agree with it
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Did anyone else regularly watch Holly's mental health mondays? I used to watch most of her streams and rememebr one last month where she was (actually, not metaphorically) crying through the entire stream and kept repeating that she didn't know what to do because people in her life she cared about "refused to help themselves" and that she wanted to help them and fix them but couldn't.
I had just assumed it was in regards to her fucked up family situation but now I'm tinfoiling it might have been about Jared if she knew about all the pedo shit.. or the sabotaging that Heidi was talking about ("refuse to help themselves" = not leave his wife that Holly was spinning as bad?)
Jirard is so cinical, its almost like he had his pre formated response for a situation like this just lying around his desk in case of a contention being needed.
Makes me remember how he threw Greg under the bus, he is a corporate style sociopath. I actually sort of believe PBG went full retard and jumped the gun because he thought he was defending a friend without fact checking anything, it has that candid sort of feeling to it, but GG and Jirard just went in full PR damage control, completely cold and that also makes me think they have know some seedy shit was going on for a long time.
With how it all developed and how fast he was to suddenly "apologize" even still just a hour before being a condescending dick, I don't believe him. All his fans showering him with "Oh you're so mature! WE FORGIVE YOU" are just so willing to ignore that he's most likely lying just to stay in good terms with his company boot.
He only posted this after his team posted a formal statement.
He's not really sorry at all. He probably still doesn't believe Heidi and only said this to not seem like he's attacking the victim
any longer to save face.
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This was posted by Heidi's friend
>while she was married for at least a year
so she definitely cheated on Ross
I mean they did get an email in April. It isn't like Jirard had heavy contact with Jared anyway, so maybe he was waiting for the investigation to be finished
Of course NormalBoots didn't do shit until Twitter did the investigation for them
jared is the one who requested his videos be removed; they didn't do it randomly or of their own accord
he probably knew something would get out and a storm was coming, but i doubt the grumps knew everything
SAME. From what I can gather the time line and speed at which all the photos/dick pics ect came out pretty quickly tipped it all in Heidi's favor. It roughly works out
> Ross and Holly divorce in Sept 2018 bc Holly wants to move to Seattle, Ross wants to take a job in LA, APPARENTLY> Jared is booted from Normal Boots and his videos are taken down late March/early April>Jared and Heidi start removing each other from their social media (bio's ect)>Jared posts the "statement", Holly replies v quickly>Heidi almost immediately lets everyone know Jared's blocked her, and her friends let her know what the statement says. She refuses to corroborate the statement, and puts the cheating/nudes/ect accusations out there publicly>Immediate response is mixed in the first couple of hours>A couple hours after people start to come forward with stories. Some of her friends corroborate her claims, loads of other people post their own stories, and actual photos start to surface. We're all bombarded with his dick and it's a nightmare. >Tide turns, Jared is now clown central, with his own subreddit leading the charge
Best I can tell (I don't live in the US, idk what time is there) most of this happened really late, and the initial reaction was from a much smaller, concentrated amount of fans/outsiders, who decided Jared could get fucked pretty quickly. By the next morning, the whole drama was pretty much out there, so by the time the greater twitter community (or whoever) got the story, all the details were there and it was pretty easy to see the bullshit for what it was. Add on all the pre-statement details and it seems pretty clear? As opposed to info trickling out over the day this kinda just all got dumped straight up. Holly really didn't help the situation either by immediately trying to turn the tide in her favour with that "she's just an internet personality, I'M your FRIEND" tweets.
What kind of response are you expecting? Jirad consistently handles this kind of drama better than anyone else in their retarded circle. He’s not gonna be an idiot and come out of the gate swinging like PBG. Not airing out all your personal feelings online doesn’t make you a sociopath, it makes you a decent human being lol.
And what do you mean he threw Greg under the bus lmao. Greg left the company, offered no explanation, Jirad told his fans Greg left, said it was personal, and left it at that. Then years later Greg decides he doesn’t want his videos still online, demands Jirad delete them, and Jirad tells his audience that Greg is making him do this, and it’s not up to him. If Greg wants to provide anymore of an explanation, the ball is completely in his court. It’s not up to Jirad to defend the guy.
Where did you hear that? Jared said he wouldn't make it, but what about Holly?>>805499
I thought so too. I could have sworn that they dragged their feet about it when they got the email and only did something about it recently.
50 now? Damn. Would have guessed like 12 or something.
If there's a decent sized aviary for them, and they're intentionally being bred for sale/squab that's cool. If(what I'm thinking is more likely now) they're all just crammed into sad cooing shit filled cages she'll need animal welfare agencies called on her ass as well.
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>>805498>Greg left the company
Thats a way of putting it.
Jirard simply got a better deal for his channel , decided to go solo and left greg out, Greg got salty of gerard being an hipocrite with his video explanation and then remain to make profit from his old videos featuring him.
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Here's what the page said when it was most recently archived, neither Jared nor Holly was mentioned by name but they did remove DCA from the list of guest shows
Only part of the last one(it's still up on twitch), and only since the controversy. What's sad is that she talked about techniques that could really help some people, so hopefully someone else will pick up the mantle of something similar once she's purged.
Also of note, I suppose, she mentioned out of seemingly nowhere that personality disorders are a million times harder to solve than regular ol' brain weasels like depression, OCD, etc. You'd have thought nothing of it at the time of recording, but given recent evidence it suggests she's probably on the very high end of sociopathy scale. The kind of person that eskimos would deal with by sitting them on ice floats and pushing them into the sea.
Just after Greg left is when the channel got an overhaul (better graphics, editing, new office, new crew) . It was all part of the plan. So is understandable for Greg to be upset, imagine working for that long as a duo with your best friend, suddenly new money comes in, you get the boot and an extremely condescending video response by Jirard washing his hands of the whole thing to top it off.
The fact that he waited a while to ask for the removal of the old content is not am asshole move on his part, if he did it just after the fact it would have killed the channel but now theres dozens of new videos without him so its really just him not wanting to be asociate with Jirard publicly anymore and not have Jirard make more passive income from that content.
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out of curiosity I was watching some of heidi's youtube videos and guess who I saw…
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you can play along at home to find out just how asexual Strix really
is with these Dice, Camera, Action!
(former) holly fan here. I know no one cares probably but I think you're spot on. myself and my friends who I met through that community don't have a problem writing off jared. he was always just sort of a weird guy who was a little funny but mostly just skeevy. holly on the other hand seemed so wholesome, and her content was very personal and based around things like mental health, her rough past, and to some extent social issues. I think people are having a hard time because there was really zero indication that she would do something even remotely like this. she always seemed like a very honest, down to earth person.
plus, jared was soliciting nudes from fans (some of them minors) and we have absolute proof of that. so he's done.
>>805519>she talked about techniques that could really help some people
Does that really mean anything coming from a 30-something woman who still lets depression and anxiety disorders (i.e. conditions that millions of actual working women have to and do manage) make up a huge part of her identity and cripple her life to an extreme degree? It doesn't sound like her 'techniques' are so helpful if she can't even function on a normal level, let alone stop herself from doing easily-avoidable horrible things that can be prevented with basic decision-making skills. It's kind of fucked that she was considered some sort of authority figure on how to overcome mental illness, even before all this shit was exposed.>>805544
Spot-on>>805572>I don't know how such a lizard man managed to pull something like this
If you have an audience then you can punch well above your weight regardless of how nasty you are
I mean, her mental health tips were pretty simple. it's not like she was telling people what drugs to take. she just gave general advice that any functioning adult should already know, like eating well and going outside or whatever. I don't think anything she did or said was really dangerous in that regard.
in retrospect though, it DOES seem like she was just doing a lot of that to fill a niche and get views. I doubt she cared very much about mental health issues when she was willing to take part in emotionally manipulating one of her best friends. I think her time as a mental health advocate is well and truly over, even if she does come back to the internet eventually.
Honestly just watch Heroes of Cosplay. I used to think it was edited for drama but it seems like Holly’s rude and awful personality is real.
Polite sage, catching up with the thread.
We know what she looks like. We know what she acts like. We know she hasn't killed herself(as of a week ago). Just these facts alone should tell you the techniques she knows do work. Stay tuned to find out if she's still kicking along this next upcoming Monday. If yeah then her mods will have a hell of time in keeping the chat civil.>>805588>In this stream she talks about equality for women and supporting other female creators.
That should have been the tell, I reckon. Actually supporting women that are struggling in the industry will always be badass. Merely proselytizing about it is empty virtue signalling. What trash people do to cover up the stink.
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Holly was always radianting cow vibes
>Called mom of gamegrumps
>Gets intensely butthurt most likely because it goes against her manic pixie dream girl persona
>stop it guys, that's SEXIST!!!1!1!1
I am pretty sure I saw a recent news article that yes they actually do. There is still stored data, but it is more difficult to find. A forensics team has no problem either going through the phone's storage and recovering it, or requesting it from Snapchat's servers.>>805277
According to the minor he did keep it and use it to get hard during live streams. If he saved it to his phone or to his computer for this purpose, it will be found having been there even after having been deleted again.
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From the Twitter of a girl CommanderHolly collabs with on Twitch. She's been sub-tweeting about this since Feb 6th 2019, so this public blowup has been brewing for a while.
Sounds like you've never been on the receiving end of it. It's a whole thing of desexing women once they're a certain age, expecting them to do emotional labour, and putting them firmly in one category socially. Whether that's sexist or nah is up to you, or just plain shitty and stupid.
Digressing from the topic of this thread, though.
I'm laughing at all the replies>So smol!>So pure!
Not anymore kek
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she's credited as the artist and model for most of Holly's crap on etsy: https://www.etsy.com/shop/TrashWitchCoven
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I just wanna say i love you all, anons. Thanks for understanding why any woman would consider the term mom offensive from a fanbase or community. It's really obvious why no woman wants to be called mom unless they're an actual mother. >>805687
Speaking of Holly's clothing stuff. She was just recently claiming to be working on NEW stuff for Spring/summer. I wonder what's gonna happen with that? I wonder if she'll put it on halt? Her last update was right before the scandal
Right?? This whole "mom is a positive affectionate thing" is fine – if you get that it's not ONLY an affectionate thing. It can be, sure, if you're in on the joke, but much like "bitch" more often than not it's not fucking nice to be called that.
It's cute that the people on these boards have never apparently seen sexism first-hand, but that does not mean shit doesn't exist.>>805692
I kind of have been wondering about Holly's game plan through all this. Did she want Weaselboy for her own? Was she chasing the thrill of fucking over her husband and her "friend" while getting Jared's puny peen? Was it an ego trip? Or did she really think she'd get more positive attention for being Wifey II after a Tragic and Unforeseen Breakup?
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Probably a lot of components going on but like someone else said their in-game romance was cheered on by fans. Sort of a chicken and egg situation but I would wager it’s related. With Holly’s move out of the pink flower crown uwu image and fully into the hag/bog witch persona I wonder how much she just thought she was Strix IRL. At the very least she probably thought an eventual public announcement of their relationship after the previous divorce waters were cleared was viable. In Holly’s mind they weren’t just fuck buddies as evidenced by her telling Jared that he’d be so much better with her than Heidi.
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I fixed Jared's self INSERT character.
I felt like ProJared's actions and words were a little contradictory.
Waiting until you're out of state and then blocking Heidi… so much for "style and grace" lol
Its not bs anon.>>805725
Probably easy to self insert into her life since she is more plain and tubby compared to other e-celebs and mentally ill uwu~ So thats why she was considered “cute”
This sudden obsession with calling Holly fat is ridiculous. She is nowhere near fat or even chubby.
Us fatties don't need her lumped in with us.
The point I think is more people tend to block exes because of that, no one said anything about Jared's situation being BS lol.
If you look at Heidi's tweets during this, she said TECHNICALLY they already broke up in February, so you'd have to go back to see exactly when the block happened, so hopefully someone kept track of the time frame.
It's more that it's a stupid and untrue nitpick. You can see her ribs in some pics of hers.
She's a cheater and manipulating hag. There's no need to make her ugly by implying she's a chunker
there was an interview with Holly regarding their dnd shit and she said her and Jared were close friends before it and he got her into doing the Dice Camera Action thing because "he knew I was into dnd like him". I think they were messing around before their characters started being shipped hard but, probably secretly used it as an outlet for their cheating. I don't know enough how most dnd games are played regarding romances but, it sounds like they purposely meant to have their characters have a romance to get off on what they were secretly doing.>>805730
Shut up fatty.
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Real talk I think she needs to keep her mouth shut until investigations are done with Jared. There is no way she can bounce back fully but her career isn't over
Not much she can do after that ~I'm here for you~ tweet anyway.
If she kept her mouth shut completely, people would be so much more sympathetic.
>>805726>especially when you KNOW exes and their friends can AND WILL spread BS about you
But there's no point in that when the information will still get out to other people lmao
Blocking someone because they are your ex is understandable, but blocking someone because they will say something won't stop them from saying something it also won't magically block others from seeing it
you absolute mad lad kek
post caps if you can, i am already howling at the image
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Is this Jared and Holly
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Even now her most recently liked tweet is still some guy wishing projared well.. this was only 2 days ago it was posted so she knew at that point. Snakey.
That’s them alright.
Feeling curious, I listened in to Holly’s last mental health Monday’s stream. Yeesh. It seems more like she’s just ranting on her mental health state than actually being informative about it. 1, she listed off the meds she’s taken in the past and how they didn’t work 2. Hopeful about beginning on Prozac because it should take care of her OCD (she claims to have looping thoughts like anyone with anxiety, just not rituals). Says she hasn’t been diagnosed with it yet. Ok. 3. Talks about how she’s terrified of being perceived as flirting when she’s just being friendly because she’s asexual. She was getting along with someone and someone gave her his number. She went into the car and cried (????). oh woe is me, it’s so hard being asexual. 4. Someone in the chat asked about sex being good for mental health. Doing things that are pleasurable are great for mental health, holly said. Hmm…
That’s when I stopped watching. It’s all so funny under a different light
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She used to whine on social media whenever she'd get slightest criticism and had anxiety because she wasn't liked by literally everyone.
I wonder how she feels now.
I like how the internet's definition of a mental health expert is basically a coward who can't set boundaries but can cry loudly about all their problems that result from not setting boundries. Just tell the dude you're not interested jfc. If he's pushy after that, THEN maybe there's something worth crying over, but being so brittle you need be the victim
in every possibly situation is not admirable or healthy, and no one that deep in mental illness should be running weekly mental health advice streams.>>805755
I agree most of the time it's better off left out of the game because so many nerds are emotionally immature, but I think there are cases of other famous table top players pulling it off well. For example Dodger was dating/engaged while on a show with DJ Wheat who was married with a kid, and their characters had a serious relationship in game but they were never weird about it to the extent that Jared and Holly were, never made weird comments on fan art, or hammed it up to bait the fans, or felt the need to fuck, and even when fans were shipping it hard they kept it classy in game and only let the relationship be as relevant as it needed to be, they didn't let fans or players push their boundaries. They were just adults about it and kept control of the situation.
Yeah, Jessica Merizan, they started a company together (there was some old drama with that too).
Jessica eventually became best friends with Chloe Dykstra after Holly recycled her. Coincidentally Chloe also had a moment in the news not too long ago when she came out against he own abusive
bf (though in the long run nothing happened except Chloe got pushed further out of the geek-sphere). Both Chloe and Jess left cosplay because of "toxic
people". In Chloe's case I think it was her ex, in Jessica's case I think it was Holly. I've been looking at their old stuff because I'm pretty sure there was a stream where they said Jessica was the one with a rough past who had to deal with addicts/negligence in her family as a kid, not Holly, but it seems that the only steams that got archived from that era was their "crabcast" streams, but I recall seeing it in a crafting stream not a crabcast stream, so I guess the evidence is gone.
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Link if you find anything interesting. I've been trying to dig some things too.
Also read this post from Ross… Poor dude knew Holly was cheating.
I think some anons mentioned that the law about this is different in their state? It was mentioned in the last thread.>>805796
They may as well drop her too, though. She's going to get a well-deserved boo when she comes on stage from here on out and she's not blameless in the sticky situation that she and Jared put DCA in.
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Well I really hope she doesn't mean what I think she means and read more into it. Both her and Chloe seemed to vague tweet support for holly talking about how cancel culture is stupid.
That's really sad all things considered since Chloe also some what recently had to deal with her massively controlling/abusive and manipulating ex that she also posted publically about. I'm surprised they aren't on Heidi's side since they've been through something similar.
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Satchell is no longer a part of Normal Boots. He does not want to be associated with them after the whole Jared fiasco.https://twitter.com/SatchellDrakes/status/1127613246687543296
Yeah there are especially twitch streamers just this week one created a patreon just to make money helping others with mental wellness but they have zero medical training
Seriously it's a huge thing
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The comments are full of people crying over how toxic
cancel culture is. You'd think she'd be able to relate given the similarities to her own experiences but it doesn't look like it.
Correct, their particular state it can't be used against them, so while Jared is indeed wrong and getting what he deserves, we literally only are going on Heidi's words regarding Holly. "I have texts/nudes!" but there's no proof of it. Heidi's friend "confirms it" - In normal circumstances people tend to not believe he said she said situations.
The only reason it's being believed is because it sparked the movement against Jared with others coming out ACTUALLY showing proof of at least that side of the story (snapchat/tumblr sexting.)
But as of right now, it's only people trying to piece together "huh..now that you think about it jared and holly does seem awfully chummy!"
And before some dumbass claims I'm defending anyone, no, it's not defense, I'm speaking as a third party to the whole situation because the only other implication is Holly "going dark" which is indeed damning.
I find it stupid when people compare this shit to actual toxic
cancel culture where the cancelling is "they looked in the direction of someone I don't like" rather then being a literal cheating pedo like with this. Go cancel the latter with all you can.
The way people are bashing Holly looks are really toxic
tbh. It's not about looks and even if it was cheating by itself is wrong and looks should not be something that make it better or worse.
By legal team I mean their personal lawyers not law enforcement, dingus. They didn't even go to the cops or suggest that the victim
go to the cops (because this shit was way above their pay grade), so no time was spent on a real "investigation", just on damage control.
I do agree, even though Holly does look fucking hideous. Her looks shouldn't be the focus, what should be is that she slept with her friend
's husband. Not once, not twice, but many times over a long period of time. She also actively tried to split them up if we go by what Heidi says. The point is, Holly knew it was fucking wrong but would act chummy with Heidi as if she wasn't fucking Heidi's husband. It also raises suspicions that because of the time when the affair started and her divorce happened, she could have been cheating on Ross. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a "Let's leave our spouses and be together" situation.
On top of that, she didn't even offer an apology to Heidi. The bitch went to Jared and offered her vaginal support if he needed anything, then called Heidi, his wife and her friend, a rando on the internet. She used "you guys know me" as if Heidi wasn't anyone important, because Holly's the important one and you should believe her
. At least that's what the general public should believe in Holly's eyes. That's what makes Holly really fucked up.
if you are dumb enough to think that internal company investigations are the same as legal investigations then holly wants to tell you about her "legal investigations" that involved giving victims
' personal information to jared.
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How hipocritical of this types, cancel culture sucks now does it? when is some rando conservative who made a joke 10 years ago then its fucking amazing how much social justice has achieved, but when its me and my buddies? noooooooo
That's sick. It's really no different than randos pretending to speak on authority for physical medical conditions.>>805891
Wasn't there some sort of controversy surrounding the veracity of her accusations? That's a good theory though. iirc people didn't seem to take her accusations nearly as seriously as these, and her accusations were much worse (though from what I remember she didn't have the proof that Heidi and the teens did)>>805934
I think what's happened here is that people who aren't involved in nerd culture are hearing about it and astounded by the fact that:
1. An ugly guy has managed to get so much sexual attention
2. He cheated with a woman who looks much worse than his actual wife does in photos
Prior to all this, people who liked Jared had some wild idea that Heidi was horrible or lame compared to him and often called her man-face
It's just the common thing for the bad side to be called ugly for one reason or another
>>805946> Wasn't there some sort of controversy surrounding the veracity of her accusations?
Yeah, she got some initial support and companies pulled away from her ex for a hot second, but the tides turned within the day and things went back to normal and she got even less work for speaking up. To be honest, without the other victims
coming forward, I expect the same thing would have happened to Heidi, but it really was a perfect storm that brought this all together.>>805906>>805906
I know she called out Chris Hardwick, but is there another instance you all are referring to? See above, but from what I recall she didn't benefit from the situation at all in the long run. I haven't kept tabs on her since but seeing as her banner pic on twitter is still that stupid diminuendo movie from forever ago it seems like she hasn't done anything of substance since then, so it seems like if anything that the call out killed her career.
I haven't seen gg in ages but from what I remember suzy does all the budgeting/scheduling/managing their collective ADHD
everyone thinks she's a buzzkill but really she's just the entire team's mom
I mean, literally nothing wrong with that. The BIGGEST THING is to not fuck your FRIEND'S HUSBAND.
SOMEONE WHO HAS THE GENERAL SAME GROUP OF FRIENDS.
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Everyone would bypass someone`s shortcomings if they like a person and she has a nice personality, but once a person proves to be an asshole petty critiques are back on the menu.
If you called Holly fat before all this then people would have jumped you, today she is just an asshole. I have a friend who has never heard of Holly but she is a chubby kind of manic pixie asexual girl who likes nerd stuff, she has done no harm to nobody so i can understand how reading some of the comments can be upsetting for people who share those traits but one has to look at the big pictura
It sounds like that one bit from Bob's Burgers where the dude "has PTSD" from being in an acapella group.>>805961
Iirc she just does PR mostly. She did a lot of the fan involved stuff back in the day. I don't really know what she does now since Ali and some other girl seem to do that now. They have a whole office with people doing that kind of stuff now.
>>806028>I don't really know what she does now
Coasting and squeezing that extra dough from the brand pushing her chinese merch and stuff like that.
I don`t even criticize her for it. She can just dress up and play scene girl forever while the checks come in, no one in GG is doing any effort, they can literally troll everyone with shitty merch and bad content and fans will buy into it and send more money their way.
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i remember thinking how "nerd" tryhard their wedding was. If i remember correctly she based Ross's outfit for the wedding on the tenth doctor from doctor who
Yeah it sounds like there's a lot of middle schoolers here haha
Age has nothing to do with it, babies. Shitty people are shitty people regardless of their age.
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sageing cause it's not new information but I found a screenshot going in slightly more detail about the crabcat/VA drama
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going to cgl and looking up "crabcat" yields discourse about the events and jessica/holly at a more relevant timeframe (as opposed to now where it's all old news)
this is just one post out of numerous, so there were definitely people very salty at holly even back then, but I'm assuming that most people who stanned her these years during the uwu cute girl phase didn't know her from crabcat, but rather as Ross' wife
>>806076>her crying over people not picking the femshep that looks like her
Why would anyone want a cross-eyed Femshep with terf bangs?
It sounds like Holly just masked her cunt side after Ross.
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(again not necessarily new but that holly was crying/complaining online for a long time along with anons saying her costume was commissioned by someone else)
never watched HoC so I don't know the specifics tbh but lots of anons saying she didn't even make her costume
The audience might be a big factor in that case too. Jared's fans were probably teens whose arsenal of insults mostly revolve around attractiveness. In viewing threads outside of the streaming community, most of the comments about how they all look are along the lines of 'how did this absolute dweeb manage to lure in teens' and 'wow he really downgraded'. Sort of like how as a kid you'd sneak episodes of Jerry Springer on days off and wonder how any of the subjects could get laid so often and by so many people.>>805953>Yeah, she got some initial support and companies pulled away from her ex for a hot second, but the tides turned within the day and things went back to normal and she got even less work for speaking up.
From what I remember in a non-gaming community primarily full of males, people were initially willing to believe her but skeptical, and as soon as Hardwick released a response the opinion turned completely in Hardwick's favor.
I wonder what makes Heidi more sympathetic than Chloe. imo it could be the strong cheating factor, which is something that the average person has strong feelings about, whereas Chloe's story involved mostly emotional abuse that the average person can't identify with. I also wonder if her disapproval of the backlash against Jared and Holly is the result of the backlash that she got; it would definitely be the most understanding reason behind her stupid reaction.>>806059
You're not; it's really fucking embarrassing and hopefully this isn't the new normal.>>806068>Age has nothing to do with it, babies. Shitty people are shitty people regardless of their age.
Shitty people usually express their shittiness in different ways as they grow older and pass different milestones. Though maybe Jared and Holly are keeping up with the bleeding-edge methods of being shitty
LOL okay r/iamverysmart. If you say so.
Stupid is as stupid does and age does nothing to change that. Same goes for shitty.
LOL okay r/iamverysmart. If you say so.
Stupid is as stupid does and age does nothing to change that. Same goes for shitty.
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>>805872>i never really knew jared
i somehow doubt that.https://www.instagram.com/p/BgIZG67AAYp/
honestly it's begun to look really sketchy to me how eager some of the NB folk have been to drop jared. it's like they know things can
get potentially much worse than they already are? tinfoiling here but i'm not sure the other guys are as free of blame as they'd want us to believe. this is going to make my freaking year if jared returns to twitter and starts exposing all of his former friends for the same crap lmao
I mean first jontron, then jared. PGB and the manager also tried it when they implied that it was Heidi the abusive
one in the relationship (and they only apologized when the NB pr team announced that Jared had been fired)
The whole group seems tainted, jirard was very smart when he started with the charity
I remember all of this stuff. Holly was always insufferable. It's honestly hilarious how she revamped her image with the whole GG association. Back around that time no one really liked Holly. People thought she was annoying from the ME stuff and most people didn't like her through HoC stuff.
It's honestly wild how she revamped her image, managed to create a small fanbase only to completely destroy it.
I always wondered what happened to the other Crabcat person.
thanks for these anon.
With all this coming out you'd think other people would speak up about her terrible behavior in the past now they won't be teared to shreds for her uwu im a anxious smol bean image she was trying to portray all these years.
There are two separate legal issues being discussed: the divorce and the underage sexting.
Washington is a no fault divorce state. Heidi's evidence of Jared cheating with Holly is irrelevant.
Yep, I'm the third poster you tagged. The one I was referring to was this >>805764
As you said, Washington is a no fault divorce state so Heidi doesn't have to hide the text messages since they won't matter anyway.
to say he didn’t really know Jared. You can work with someone or even have mutual friends with them, but not ever hang out with them on a personal level. I don’t think taking a selfie at a hotel, for what I’m guessing was for them being a guest at a con, really counts as like “knowing” him but that’s just how I see it
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uh oh another jared nude leaked, view at your own risk :((((
Are these all samefag or are there really that many newfags who don't know how to sage?
Can we get extra moderation maybe? It's hard to report and move on at this volume of no sage/armchair/blogposting/newfag
on the flipside, I've never seen it as a "desexing" thing, it's either a respect thing (like cosplay mom) or a seuxal thing (the recent "mommy" kink meme going on w horny guys) This is coming from someone who gets called a "mom". Some people like it and some don't. >>805698
uh, no. Plenty of women without children like and embrace the title of a "mom" either for fetish or other reasons
literally same. I even tried bringing up her shady past in previous suzy threads but was quickly shut down. I'm glad to see the goblin get torn to shreds over the internet and people see who she truly is.
I see her being "asexual" as giving an excuse for most guys to leave her alone, and when shes interested in someone (dming ross first if I remember correctly, fucking jared) she'll throw it out the window
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Congrats Jared, 200k subs just this week!
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Anyone else has this problem? I'm unable to click on Jared's tweets. Retweet/comment/like counter doesn't show up either.
Did he disable comments and retweets?
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it's working fine for me
kek, money isn't going to matter in jail.>>806094> I wonder what makes Heidi more sympathetic than Chloe.
I think it's that part about Jared being a pedo. I like Heidi more and feel she handled things a little better, but public figures regularly get forgiven for spousal abuse and cheating. The general public doesn't care about nitpicking that kind of stuff nearly as much as this site does. Pedos though? No one wants to touch a pedo. In fact people want to not-support a pedo so bad that they'll vocally stan Heidi even if they were telling her things should have been "kept private" at the start. I'm really glad things worked out for Heidi, but I don't think it was totally her own doing.
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She was a snake, even then, plus getting into a relationship with Ross (they had met shortly before this) gave her a ton a positive PR for no reason. People on CGL were seriously saying that Jessica was toxic
and Holly just got in too deep trying because her friend was greedy. There were serious mental gymnastics to protect Holly.
If she didn't meet Ross she wouldn't have the career she has now. Not only did he protect her from criticism when she fucked up just by being associated with her (and she fucked up a lot), but he also introduced her to all her current friends and thereby indirectly gave her all her current opportunities. He also probably financially supported her more than she likes to admit. Back then cosplay was different, she certainly didn't make enough money for the life she lived, and coincidentally she got her huge garage workshop with a lot of fancy equipment when they moved in together. People used to like nitpicking Heidi for being stuck up but I appreciate how she was at least honest about how Jared supported her as a cosplayer.>>806194
More proof they don't really care about Heidi: @Cheratomo at twitter, the asagao academy writer and wife of Todd the editor, supported Jared at the start and labeled Heidi as "drama". Now that she's been outed as Miss Editor (to be honest I thought this was an open secret since she did editing work for soem of Jared friends too?) she's getting a ton of support messages about bouncing back from the situation and thriving and moving on. But she didn't suffer at all throughout this, she even liked tweets suppressing the victim
, they just want to praise anyone who is NOT the pedo in this situation even if they fucked up.
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Comments on all her videos are disabled. She needs to just put out an apology already.
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So, I’m going to call it.
I think Jessica and Chloe might be defending Holly because it’s quite possible that Jared manipulated Holly into thinking that Heidi was a terrible person. Maybe he feigned “abuse” in order for Holly to sympathize with him, and maybe that’s why she went along with the affair ultimately.
If that happened, it’s a pretty flawed excuse and still stupid, but I can for some reason imagine that happening, knowing Jared’s character.
Also, I wonder if Holly even knew about the extent of his fucked up behavior. Heidi knew about the Snapchat shit with his fans, but I don’t think she knew that he was fucking them at conventions, or that he was sexting minors.
Now that the world knows, I wonder if Holly will still stay with him. I’d imagine she’d run for the hills, knowing all of this creepy shit.
I'm sure that's what Holly would want you to believe, but seeing the language she uses to defend her self and speak about metal illness, it really reads like she's an active manipulator too. Also two of the underage victims
specified that they had contacted Holly and that they suspect Holly gave their contact information to Jared, so it's likely she knew some of the shit he was up to besides cheating even if she didn't know every detail.
Also Heidi stated that although at the start on tumble she had asked to see all exchanged but jared started hiding them, so she didn't know everything. She even specifies that the snapchat was made in secret and she didn't learn until later.
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found this while looking through Heidi's blog, it's sad to look back on it now
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I'm not sure how long exactly but this is from Heidi's announcement after the flood, they had their new house ready so they were pretty far along in the moving process at that pointhttps://atelierheidi.tumblr.com/post/165127830150/hey-guys-i-have-bad-news-to-share-today-my
That is a lot of ifs and buts and maybes to extend sympathy for someone who knowingly fucked her friend's husband – and had an affair with him! And then tried to gaslit and rugsweep that same "friend" publicly.
I don't care a jot if she's "uwu flawed human uwu", that is a major conga line of big fuck ups that most people manage to somehow avoid through not. being. utter. assholes. Stop whiteknighting her.
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I'm gonna call it. You're a white-knight.
If your good friend fucked your partner behind your back and feigned friendship towards you, it wouldn't matter if the ~poor wittle bean~ had been manipulated or whatever and that's a huge if like>>806323
And ignorance is not an excuse.
Jessica and Chloe are idiots.
I'm living for the dragging of Jared and Holly and all the funny memes and posts itt.
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Looked through some recent tweets, incase anyone gets a cute idea of trying to defend Holly, Whiteknight Holly or assume Jared just "manipulated" her.
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Huh, not sure if this is OT but I didn't know Holly's grandpa was a real deal animator. The Trivia section links to Holly's imdb (since she was on TV/in that documentary) so I assume that's him? Not sure if this was the grandpa she was so close to, but since it says he died in 2011 I would guess so.
Also his old twitter is still up where he follows Ross and Holly (kind of a bummer)
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Nvm I take it back, it's actually a HUGE bummer. His blog is still up with entries only months before he died, basically talking about how proud he was of Holly. >In my book of memoirs, "Flyin’ Chunks and Other Things to Duck", I wrote the Afterword about Holly and her future.>Holly and her future
While that could make sense, it does not clear up the fact that Holly was pretending to be friends with Heidi during the entire time she was having relations with him. It takes a special kind of messed up person to do that.
Believing him/trying to 'save' him is one thing, but a normal person would have either distanced themselves from the abusive
spouse or tried to encourage the victim
to seek out help instead of getting personally involved to a point where they are pushing for a new relationship to escape an old abusive
one. That alone is very manipulative and enabling. (And think about it, if the genders were reversed it would be instantly abhorrent to most.) Keeping up a friendship with Holly at the same time comes across as almost being a sociopath, so for someone who tries to be a mental health advocate, well…
She had very clear intentions which can be seen by both her actions and also how she responded on twitter. There isn't really any way for her to spin things at this point.
That seems pretty believable to me.
From released chatlogs (of other Jared's victims
), he was mostly creeping for nudes and sex. He wouldn't mention his wife other than lie that they are in an open relationship.
Holly on the other hand, from what was seen, seems very insecure and is probably jealous as hell of other women. Heidi is a cosplayer and costume maker like her, but also way more talented not to mention more attractive looks wise.
I believe Holly started crushing on Jared during their DnD campaign and when they started their affair, she also got a high of stealing Heidi's husband. It fed her insecurities and false sense of superiority. That's why she wasn't just content with being a side bitch, she wanted to become a main bitch too.
It's not hard to believe she was obsessed with shittalking Heidi while trying to "win".
I hope they keep defending her and some of Holly's white knights try to address Heidi. That'll probably prompt Heidi to drop some chat logs of what a vile person Holly was about her. And I'm posting this as someone who found Holly slightly endearing/slightly annoying. I remember just recently someone posted a video of that mystery taco deal with Taco Bell and Ross was ADORABLE while Holly seemed to play the annoyed GF role and I started to wondering if Holly was as likable as it seemed in the GG threads here.
I do love that this sage brings to light the stupid manic panic pixie mental health fairy motif. People with mental health problems struggle and don't uwu on the internet for clout.
Youre either blindly in love with her, or her herself.
Seriously though, how is everything she has done NOT manipulative and knowingly shitty?
Tinfoil but we know she posts and browses on cosplay boards herself, and cgl i think, she def knows this place, and who wouldnt lurk and post in a thread about themselves?
Shes probably too retarded to be morw low key and thats why its obvious
How about wrap your head around this fact: while Holly was fucking around with Jared behind Ross and Heidi's back for at least a year, she was also aware of his tumblr. Imagine willingly messing around with a married man who was also sharing nudes with his fans. You have to be a crazy retarded bitch to want someone like that. So the idea that she was possibly helping him prey on fans is not farfetched at all. Plus, explain why those fans who are already victims
of Jared would want to drag Holly in on it just for fun?
This isn't a criminal case. We don't need proof beyond a reasonable doubt. This isn't a civil case where we need preponderance of evidence. This is a case of public opinion. And we've got enough circumstantial evidence, along with victims
who say it's what they believe with other statements by Heidi who does have proof/evidence of Holly's character. Until we see solid proof that Holly is somewhat redeeming in any of this we can believe what we want. Sorry that's not enough for you, but I think it's previous likely she leaked that shit to Jared and I believe Heidi vs. Hideaway Holly. I swear a lot of whiners are crying about "RUINED CAREERS" based off of allegations, but it's really ruined careers based off of the public's decision not to give subpar shit heads attention and money.
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going through old threads knowing what we know now is very bittersweet
It doesn't help either that Chris Hardwick married the heiress of the Hearst family.
As in, William Randolph Hearst and Hearst Communications, which owns a ton of major publications and broadcasting channels. It's no surprise this was swept under the rug, and it would be a crazy uphill battle for Chloe to be taken seriously for any mainstream work in the future
That, and it doesn't help Chloe that she is unlikeable in a generic wet cardboard, blonde mean girl kind of way - or that she has no noticeable talent or personality to market, really.
It's easy to rugsweep someone who's a bit of a lolcow nobody in her own right, and then the Hearst Communications stuff… well.
Add the cherry on top of the shit sundae - Holly was suppose to be a close friend of Heidi's. That makes her garbage.
Then again I'm not 100% sure that Heidi wasn't aware of something going on between them. I can imagine it starting out as uwu flirting, and because Heidi was the cool girl who looked at boobs with her boyfriend/husbando I don't think the idea of a FWB thing between Holly and PedoJarad is far out there. I've seen it in relationships with people who are a little less mature and trying to find their way sexually. The whole "open relationship" sounds fine until the fling with a friend turns into a full blown affair.
Then again again, Holly could have used the asexual card to divert attention away from the fact that she was fucking Heidi's husband. Who knows?
sage for speculation
You nailed it with Chloe having no personality or talent of her own
It’s a bit weird when she introduces her…and then goes with “my dad invented the lightsaber”
I don't think being catty/bratty about cosplay is really equal or deserving to being cheated on and abusive
/gaslit for a year
If anything, maybe this will humble her and she'll be more of a positive force in the community? Or not. We'll see
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You mean this? It's her opinion on a technique, she's not wrong, wasn't rude about it, and mentioned multiple viable alternatives. It also has absolutely nothing to do with getting cheated on. If she was being wronged as a cosplayer, you'd still be nitpicky with this, but these two things have nothing in common, so you sound like you're just trying to find reasons to put her down because of her "history" of having higher standards than the average "cosplay should be fun" weeb.
>>806351>degree in Medieval studies
Wow, a worthless degree that's unironically a meme on the same level as underwater basket weaving.
I can't wait until I can go to Seattle and see Holly work at a Starbucks after her career ends up dying!
She may even have been 'ok with it' because Jared made it a condition of their relationship. See how there's no context to that at all?
You're being really transparent.
"I don't have much pity for a girl who was abused for over a year then cheated on with her best friend…. she once was maybe mean, I have no proof of that claim and heard it maybe from someone who heard it maybe from someone who says that maybe he saw her maybe. "
"But take what you want from my post about my opinion and stay pressed i guess"
I'm a day late on this but Chloe's abusive
bf was Chris Hardwick, btw. in case anyone liked him for some reason
OT but after reading about Hardwick and all his crazy shit I couldn't stomach even seeing him on TV anymore
Another example of male feminist, nerd boy who's just a garbage snake in disguise.
whoops, turns out it already came up>>806596
yeah he fuckin sucks
Also, if she really was innocent on multiple counts she really should've at least addressed something publicly. Staying quiet about being a home wrecker is one thing, but not publicly stating that she refuses to associate with a pido is pretty telling. She could've easily gone public about being done with him once that stuff came out, but by being silent it basically shows not only is she enabling the situation but also comes across as very suspicious.
She probably wants to stay in a relationship with him.
Ross was streaming though. He binged out on McDonalds and drew a Kawaii Monster Girl. Nobody said the H word so good cheer all around.>>806611
That's what I'm only hoping for. It's not the smartest bet.
"Local woman found dead in home. Her corpse eaten by 50 pigeons."
That would be the smartest bet.
The smartest bet would be to not sleep with a married man but holly is beyond that now
Ha I like your headline, would be fitting if she was found in a pigeon costume too
yea I'm inclined to think some anons are sensitive to criticism on techniques. She wasn't being elitist in this post and I looked through some old posts and didn't see anything too bratty or diva like. People are allowed to have their opinions about shit and disagree/agree with things, that doesn't make them elitist.
And honestly even if there WAS a bratty post, it doesn't mean it was okay for her to deal with bullshit from holly/projared and his antics for a fucking YEAR +.
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meanwhile holly was liking sexual fanart of her dnd character and jareds
oh shit dude, I have a connection to him (someone in his team) so I'm gonna ask them about this. idk if they'd talk shit on their boss but, he knows the ins and outs enough to give us a heads up when Hardwick's shows get cancelled lmao
sage cause this should probs be in celebricows, if I find any milk I'll divulge in that thread.
re: Heidi's degree: if I didn't have to work to live paycheck to paycheck I'd do a useless degree and live my hobby too. seems like a huge nitpick no offense.
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Ross drew what her character was supposed to be (at least in the beginning).
Holly liked and praised fanart where her self-insert was a kawaii witch girl and Jared's was her bishounen boyfriend.
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Fanart really does make these two far more attractive than they "officially" are. Gosh, as someone who dabbles in tabletop I'd kill to have so much art for any one of my characters, and for Jared & Holly it doubles as art of their affair.
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>>806694>half-assed hyperbolic statement about a single tweet taken out of context
feels a bit like some newfag stans found their way here, were sent or it's Holly herself, Keeks and Dasha style. or just farmers who are critical of everyone>>806726>>806730
it's just so believable that they got off to all this fanart emotionally and physically and to the thrill of the affair hidden in plain sight barf
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there is just so much fanart…
She deleted her "I'm here for you." tweet so that's basically the same thing, stop being so hard on her, don't you know she has anxiety? uwu>>806606
This. Also, considering Holly claims her parents had addictions and MS to deal with, even if her Grandpa was frugal and saved up or got money form other ventures to pass on, it was probably already spent.
I never watched any of their stuff so forgive me if these are dumb questions, but why is there so much fanart of their D&D characters together? Don't these artists think it's a bit weird to draw pornographic art of obvious self-inserts, especially when they're married to different people? Did Heidi play D&D? Why didn't they draw shippy art of her character with Jared's? Am I just overthinking it and they're just supposed to be dumb roleplaying characters?
I wonder how these artists feel about their fanart now.
I also recall seeing that it was the Seattle house (and not the LA house) she inherited on twitter. Def feel like that was a factor in Jared planning to move there with Heidi.>>806621
It's not even like she pointed anyone out or used example photos. And she explained a better alternative technique. People are just butt hurt that they are shit tier cosplayers. Do these people also hate the cosplayers that always give PSAs on weathering and how un-weathered props look bad?>>806658
Ooof, this hurts to see.
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The medieval studies degree people were talking about was Holly's degree, Heidi has one in theatre costumes and prop production.Not saying it's a top tier degree, but it's more useful, and considering her career goals it suits them well.>>806694
Just because someone fucked up worse means that all her fuck ups are forgiven even though she participated in the abuse of oen of her best friends and also betrayed the trust of underage victims
Why is there so much lewd art of this pairing specifically? I don't follow DCA but I follow other RP shows with RP couples and haven't seen as much lewd art as when I searched this pair. They must have really stoked the flames and encouraged fans.
Considering that Jared said this was his DnD character for like 15 years before DCA even started I hope it's ruined for him. Holly too, though I'm not sure how long she played with Strix or if that was an original character for DCA.>>806783
Is that from Ross' wedding? Rough.
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I love pur but I find it suspicious that she said they were never friends. At one point Jared (along with PBG) were in her sidebar of channel. I recall that she removed PBG at one point but kept jared (she had coincidentally commented about feeling jealous of more successful friends shortly after). Now she has removed the list of channels altogether.
I'd be a little more respectful if this one didn't spend her younger years drooling all over Spoony One's dick. Like, he made a pass at you and he's a married man and you're just now reflecting on that being a skeevy thing to do because it's out in the open?
Sage for ot
Chloe cheated on Chris Hardwick with Sam Witwer, Chris has receipts via text messaging. She’s a cheater just like Holly.
Please refrain to Chloe’s Kiwifarms for now on, this is a GG thread https://kiwifarms.net/threads/chloe-dykstra-spills-all-on-chris-hardwick.44396/
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Not going to discuss that situation in depth, but considering that Chloe and Jess had been vauge tweeting about Heidi's statement I think it's fair to say:
HOLY SHIT what a stupid hypocrite, no wonder they're jealous. I had no idea this happened, but it's fucking comical. The best part is that in both cases had the abusive
person (Chloe/Jared) just not said anything, their victims
would have not responded and shit would have all gone in their favor. I know some of the underage fans said they were getting ready to come forward, but considering they'd be waiting over a year and they had already come forward to NormalBoots and several creators including Holly and had no real action to show for it, I could see them either deciding to not go through with it (due to lack of support) or getting buried/suppressed when they did. Bless Heidi for starting this, not only is there justice but we're also getting the best memes I've seen in a while.
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For anyone left who wants to believe that Heidi is doing this just to be spiteful. The proof of NB trying to get rid of him earlier than her announcements is in the threads.
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April 4th was a month before this debacle. While they didn't post it until the 9th, they had obviously already made plans to drop him for inappropriate things.
Their word is totally trust worthy considering that they had evidence of soliciting minors for over a month and didn't go to the cops.
kek the announcement of them dropping jared that happened when the drama was in full swing does not count as proof that they were taking any real action to drop him beforehand. This was also after one of the underage victims
posted the emails between themselves and NBs to boot (no pun intended).
press [x] to doubt
It really shouldn't have taken a month
Thing is anon, if they're affiliated with any monetization platforms, Jared would have had to finish up his month REGARDLESS because of contract obligations.
So the timing LITERALLY could be a coincidence.
If this is true, then why was Furst, NB's manager, defending Jared to the death on twitter? Am I supposed to believe that their manager does not monitor their business account and was not made aware of the allegations???
She inherited the house in Glendale from her grandparents. It has his art all over the inside.
When she first moved to Seattle she spent a long time looking for a place to live so she definintely did not already have an inherited house there.
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I don't think Holly was a shut-in, she frequently traveled and did stuff. Her depression isn't so crippling that she can't function (or wasn't before the backlash, anyway). I guess her best friend's husband's dick gave her the strength to persevere.
You're a dumb ass and that is still not proof. NormalBoots was barely active and in it's current iteration isn't a monetization platform or CDN of any form. I know it was in it's past iterations, but for the last few years it has just been a group of friends boosting each other's videos. There were no contracts to deal with, no one even uses the normal boots logo in their videos anymore, again because there are no contacts. As of the last few years, it was just a site made by friends to link each other and boost each other, and to occasionally collab under the name for a video or dating sim of whatever they felt like. If you go to their current site all the old content is gone, it's basically just exists to list the personal youtube channels of the members. They fucked up, and your "proof" is shit. They still should have went to the cops and not managed it internally.
Seriously, why are you shitting up the thread with "uwu Heidi is evil and NormalBoots is innocent" garbage? Are you Holly?
Double posting but I wanted to add that I like how your argument was "Well they said they were going to remove him eventually…" and totally glazed over the whole bit about not reporting the soliciting of minors. They had evidence from a victim
, not just an accusation. Removing him without reporting him is still fucked up and meant that they only cared about their image and not about victims
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projared smash stage
Amazing, truly amazing. Jared can never live this down at this point
Also I've just been watching RubberNinja's streams recently and man I just truly realized that Holly is such a fool. Like I know everyone puts on a persona to show people in public, but man Ross is genuinely adorable, funny, and an alright dude. And Holly gave that up for PedoJared's dick?? Ross was too good for her.
I take comfort seeing that every other part of the internet I’ve everyone expresses sympathy to Ross
It’s nice to see that he is liked that much
>>806998> weak ass proof
anon people already saw this, they don't doubt that normal boots spoke up, they just think that what they said when they spoke up was stupid. kinda like you.>>807022
lol who said shit about a contract? are you really making shit up because you can't stand to see your youtube idols get dragged?>>807135
he posted it to his tumblr/insta, it was just a "funny" pic at the time while he made a lot of "jokes" about asking for nudes on tumblr but it's gross/hilarous now that people realize he actually was seriously soliciting nudes
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This isn't proof. Also looks like they can't even keep their story straight among themselves, in the statement they said Jaques presumably concluded his investigation and made some moves to remove Jared (doesn't really make sense he'd say no one to anyone else at that point but okay) but then told Shane the "investigation" is on going which contradicts that. Shane even clearly states that the info going public forced them to make a statement. Also, again, why does this Jaques asshat think he can run a "private investigation"? Does he think he's magnum PI? Is he a 1337 hax0r that can get the forensic data from Jared's devices? I can't fathom how he thought it was more appropriate to run a "private investigation" rather than go to the cops. I can understand if the others weren truly unaware but even then they really need to take a good hard look at how dysfunctional their organizational structure is if Jaques could get away with that for over a month with no oversight, and NormalBoots deserves to be held accountable for that.>>807022
April 4th to May 9th is more than a month, and that's a pretty shitty theory anyways. When was the last time NormalBoots was monetized? They don't even host videos anymore.
Oh god. There are some golden moments.>OH… is that… Holly?>It looks just like me!>Wait, Holly, what are you doing with my friends? Is there something I should know?>And that other girl looks like Heidi!
Though, my personal fav had to be when Ross said>Jared get the fuck away from my wife, I'll kill you.
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>>807181>asking someone to prove that they're right is being spoonfed>watering down their "proof" with insults
I've always thought style and grace was a nod to DK 64 and Lanky Kong's lack thereof.
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From ProJared's SocialBlade Profile https://socialblade.com/youtube/channel/UC2e0bNZ6CzT-Xvr070VaGsw
The sub losses have trickled down considerably from the last few days because of other drama going around, but damn going from 1mil to 815K in the span of a week is just impressive.
Plus, fat lot of good money will do for him in prison
If the posts about him being reported to the authorities are true.
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Twitter is still going wild. Griffith, I'm so sorry…
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Steal muh OC uwu
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your level of laziness is absurd, even for lolcow.>>807001>>807009>>807119>>807120>>807142
they're all direct responses to you, you're willfully being ignorant. as I said in my last post, just read the responses to you (although it was already discussed higher up before you reposted the normal boots statement if you bothered to read the thread.)
Are you retarded? What does googling have anything to do with it, its something pretty much all nintendo gamers know, even if it was recorded a month ago with no connection to projared they still probably said it as a reference to donkey Kong.
I agree that it probably has nothing to do with Jared but the googling point makes absolutely no fucking sense
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Sage for off topic question, but stuff is coming out about RelaxAlax, is there a good, not-dead thread to discuss it in? The only sorta recent one I saw was Youtubers General but that seemed a bit broad.
I got the NB picture from the previous thread, you fucking donkey. Please cry more.
If Jacque was the only one to know, it would be idiotic to publically come out with anything further. It's called damage control. He was quietly dismissed from NB and his stuff with Grumps taken down per his request.
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Looks like Holly's been booted and there's no sign of DCA anywhere anymore on the upcoming events at the Descent event anymore.
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>>807473>there's no viable future for jared and holly to be together
I'm pessimistic, and I believe that they almost engineered a scenario where they could viably be together.
I think they were trying to remove Heidi from the equation entirely, since she's the only one who could have possibly spoken up. Ross doesn't seem like the type to speak up about these things, and as a "company" the Game Grumps' MO towards any controversy is to stay completely silent about it (we still don't know the full details of Jon's departure, or why it's so taboo to mention him at all). If Jared had managed to successfully gaslight her/discredit her via his NormalBoots pals like we saw shortly after he first tweeted his statement, Heidi would've either blamed everything on herself or would never be taken seriously by anyone. I honestly fear Jared and Holly were dangerously close to getting away with it.
>wait it out a few months
Holly's response to Jared was likely laying the groundwork for this sort of that. If their plan worked, I suspect we'd have gradually seen more social media posts about them hanging out together, and their DnD characters would get even more flirty. Give it the better part of a year after the divorce had been finalized (to see if they really still want to go official or if they were just getting off on infidelity), then they could make their relationship public and actually have a lot of support. With the Grumps likely staying silent and Heidi's words falling on uncaring ears if she wasn't too broken to speak up.
>in the very best case for them they'd have to deal with all their friends uncomfortably giving the side eye, knowing holly is dating her friend's ex husband
Jared successfully gaslighting Heidi means that he gets to keep his friend group, Holly gets painted as the woman who "healed" Jared's broken heart after Heidi "abused" him, and DCA fans/Jared & Holly's followers go wild that the two are actually a thing. They'd probably get married a year or so after they first announce they're "dating," to even more applause. Those two would've successfully destroyed two marriages just so they could be with each other. It scares me to think just how close they were to pulling this off; if Heidi hadn't gotten hold of Jared's old phone and seen all the sexts or if Jared hadn't tried to do this all via goddamn Twitter, then maybe he really could have broken her.
This doesn't take into account whether or not Jared could've survived all the child pornography shit, since that coming to light so early on really helped swing public opinion to Heidi's side. If NormalBoots really was conducting an investigation like they claimed, or if even one allegation started trending on twitter like the divorce did, then Jared's other victims
would've spoken up. But if he managed to keep sweeping each individual under the rug, then they might not have banded together and come public about their experiences. Jared obviously didn't consider his victims
speaking up, so even if he did manage to weather the divorce then he and Holly could've still been brought to justice.
I think so too. If Jared’s one-sided statement and blocking spree hadn’t pissed off Heidi enough to speak out and trigger
the flood of victim
testimonials, they would have been able to keep the affair quiet and slowly prime their audience for a narrative in which Heidi was the abusive
ex-wife and Holly the sweet bean mental health guruwuwuwu swooped in to help him heal and oh gosh wouldn’t you know, they ended up falling in love just like in their fans’ headcanons! A shipper’s dream come true! And good on Jared for replacing his haughty cosplay elitist crazy ex with everyone’s favorite relatable birbmom! #couplegoals
His arrogance is what sunk him. He overestimated how much he’d isolated and discredited Heidi and didn’t expect her to stand up for herself. He also never expected his other victims
to come forward about his predatory behavior or that they’d be believed. After all, they’re just random attention-seeking nobodies and he’s a ~Famous YouTuber~. These types always think they’re untouchable and it’s so satisfying to see them be proven wrong.
This, out of all these three involved parties I knew Heidi the best because I'm a cosplayer. I never liked her (still don't despite feeling sorry for what happened to her) because she was lowkey too catty and uppity for my taste, but she was by no means an awful human being that deserved what was coming. Being slightly rude and smug isn't lolcow worthy or deserving of anything else than maybe the mute button on Twitter, she wasn't doing anything outright DAMAGING to the community. In retrospect I've been thinking if her shitty life situation had something to do with her behavior but you never know.
And even if she had a bad attitude, it has nothing to do with what Jared and Holly did to her. Maybe if she was a total bitch and actually abused Jared it would be a notable factor but just dropping stale cosplay salt on Twitter isn't deserving of being cheated on for months and having a predatory lying sack of shit for a husband.
i dunno who this person is but judging by the youtube channel being the first result upon googling, i would post in youtubers general, the few times i've popped in there it hasn't been a particularly fast thread anyway.
if there's enough milk maybe it would be worth making a "gaming community" thread or something in future idk
>>807495>If Jared had managed to successfully gaslight her/discredit her via his NormalBoots pals like we saw shortly after he first tweeted his statement, Heidi would've either blamed everything on herself or would never be taken seriously by anyone. I honestly fear Jared and Holly were dangerously close to getting away with it.
Yeah, the whole thing of trying to get Heidi to sign a motherfucking NDA on the whole situation absolutely reeks
of this. That's not the actions of someone with your best interests at heart, or aiming at common courtesy. I hope Heidi has a good divorce lawyer and takes Weasel Boy to the fucking cleaners.
The receipts are here: https://imgur.com/a/9CjaFQP
but I can't find the story itself anymore
Yeah, the way PBG tried to shut her down in a joking way and not even seriously reeks of a man who has either been brainwashed into thinking Heidi was a horrible crone or someone who is used to shitting on her himself.
Even if he HAD been fed lies about how horrible Heidi was, it's pretty telling that he immediately went to discredit with a stupid ass joke and not with an earnest "I don't believe this."
Would not be surprised if stuff comes up with PBG next. Not a doubt in my mind.
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oh god just that entire screenshot thread
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I wonder if Heidi knew he wanted a vasectomy? If she did, she probably didn't realize his real reasons for wanting it. Even worse if he wanted to get it behind her back.
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this nude he sent might actually be the least sexy thing i've ever seen in my life
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This one is even worse
alledgedly not >>803758
peen warning but obvious tricks
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also, his comment. The parts of him talking about emotional abuse and "threatening suicide" is honestly pretty telling.
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Yeah when Ross started getting into talking about finding controlling personalities similar to what you grew up with and being too chill to stand up for himself, warning of the constant put-down,and the emotional abuse it made me think of Holly and how she normally acted around Ross. At times they were happy I can remember, but then I've seen small moments where it seemed like Holly would just bully Ross for no reason and I wouldn't be surprised if she did emotionally abuse him.
I shouldn't laugh because they are discussing serious topics but I am howling at winnie the pooh talking at Jeice, just the silliness of it, sageing for zero contribution>>807863
is LA really so terrible for the birds? If she brought her birds to like, Antarctica or something then yeah her birds wouldn't survive there and would be better elsewhere. But surely there is local wildlife in LA naturally present, and she primarily had rescue birds as opposed to her own pets. So why couldn't the birds survive where they grew up?
Not American so I don't know the intricacies of LA but I assumed if birds lived there anyway then the birds she had were fine where they are. She kept them safe, well fed and taken care of.