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Last time on the "It's been 84 years…" Edition….
> Trash Witch Coven, move over! Holly rebranded her company to "We Crowing Hens", once again changing everything based on her latest fixation. A section of the website mentions 'Courses' that she's apparently going to offer in the future; Educators everywhere wept.
> Holly still attempts to brand herself as "Forest Witch" until people draw similarities in her attempting to turn into Heidi; She backtracks within just a few hours.
> SadOldMagician, one of Holly's biggest supporters and husband of another supporter GeraldoGuacamole, took to tumblr in an attempt to defend Holly - but really just came off looking like a huge simp. Since the three regularly go on nature hikes, we can only assume it's a matter of time before Holly moves in to wreck another marriage.
> Holly posts a picture of her chickens in front of Jared's wall of NES games, once again trying to publicly stake her claim and make clear that they're still together (spoiler alert: no one cares)
> ProJared brings up a bottle of wine from a retreat that he was "saving for a better day", claiming that Heidi allegedly stole it, despite the fact that it was marital property and therefor part hers as well.
> Adam Koebel decides to temporarily quit streaming, but not before writing lengthy post about how hard this has been ON HIM with next to no consideration for anyone else. Internet loses their shit - but fear not, Holly was right there to tell him "Never stop making art!".
> Another day, another "Woe is me, I have a bad brain" pitiful picture from ProJared via Instagram. Said post coincides with what WOULD have been his anniversary with Heidi and with Heidi signing the last document in their divorce.
> Heidi is focusing primarily on her business while both Jared and Holly seemingly struggle to do anything that doesn't circle back to them being victims of Cancel Culture(tm)
> Ope, it turns out Jared learned nothing as he is now streaming a sex-based game on his twitch that he now KNOWS is viewed by minors. He is also sent nudes by a fan and rather than saying "Please don't do this", he just mentions that that's not what his BUSINESS email is for (y'know, after screenshotting it)
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Previous Threads (The ProJared Saga Begins):
Character Descriptions and Stats:
Jared "the Wormdick" Knabenbauer>Known for having a gaming youtube channel where he reviewed games>Formed "Waffle crew", the D&D group that would soon turn out to be a dumpster fire>All hell broke lose when his ex-wife revealed he has been manipulating, abusing and cheating on her>Soon after, other victims of his started leaking chat logs and nudes>Turns out he was soliciting underage porn >Went into hiding>Throughout DCA, his D&D character, Diath, was having an on-going romance with Strix, his co-player Holly Conrad's character>Turns out they were also involved IRL, cheating on their spouses>Holly is currently whiteknighting him on twitter, while he is trying to manipulate his side-pieces from the shadows>One of his side-pieces fell for it and now is changing her initial statement, trying to get on his good side (even though he ghosted her before)>Heidi accuses Jared of threatening legal action if she speaks up. Unfortunately Heidi casts “Absorb Elements” just like she did for his initial divorce statement. Jared takes an extra 1d6 damage on her next melee attack.
Charisma: send noOds
Holly "Manic Pixie Butterface" Conrad (current power-level):>Got into D&D, started thinking she's literally Strix - her character>Cheated on Ross with Jared the Wormdick while trying to manipulate both Jared and his wife>Once Heidi (Jared's wife) revealed her as a side hoe, she locked down everything and checked into the tumblr hospital>After getting back on the net, she started autistically defending herself and Jared, claiming she never cheated and Heidi is literally Hitler>Professional victim, her NPD can be seen from space>Emotionally abused Ross, claimed she never felt love until she met Jared>Claims to have not cheated on her ex-husband despite his refusal to make one comment about the situation in her defense>Can't stand even tiny criticism about herself, reads her lolcow thread though>Compared Etika’s suicide, a popular black YouTuber, to her own suicidal ideation by showcasing they both received clown emojis as “bullying.” >Suffers backlash from the black community, Etika’s fans and Twitter>After being called out for taking advantage of a person’s suicide, Holly infamously deflects criticism by tweeting, “I’m sorry. I’m mentally ill.”
Luck: ran out
Charisma: clown emoji
Holly Conrad’s Previous Stats:>Holly is a “talented cosplayer/craftsman/special effects artist and well respected in the community”, even appearing on Syfy's "Heroes of Cosplay">Was one of the main focuses of the 2011 Documentary "Comic-Con Episode IV: A Fan's Hope" (directed by Morgan Spurlock)>Originally gained notoriety for her Commander Shepard/FemShep cosplay>Married to Ross O'Donovan, beloved animator and member of the GG Family, from 2012 to 2018>When it came to Arin/Suzy vs Ross/Holly most people preferred Ross and Holly, because they felt less fake and Holly was famous separate of Ross, not riding her husband's coattails like Suzy.>Was best buds with Jared's wife Heidi, another talented and respected cosplayer/craftsman>Apparent tragic backstory = quirky anxiety uwu. I don't really know the whole backstory on this one, not sure if it really matters. >But was apparently close to her grandfather and inherited his house(?) in Washington(?) when he passed away which was in theory part of the reason she and Ross amicably split. Jared and Heidi just also happened to live in Washington.>Other speculated factors included Holly being asexual (lmao), the toxic GG fan-community, "having codependency issues", and wanting to leave LA while Ross wanted to stay>Publicly their divorce was mutual, amicable, and came as somewhat of a shock….OR WAS IT?>Basically all this drama is so juicy because Holly "quirky manic pixie dream bird gurl, asexual anxiety, luvs animals so obviously wouldn't hurt anyone uwu" Conrad was the surprise plot twist villain we never saw coming
For More On Holly Conrad:>A History of Holly: >>838840 (Source: PULL)
Charisma: Not Suzy
Heidi of the House O'Ferrall, Hell Hath No Fury, Giver of Zero Fucks, Destroyer of Careers>Non-lewd cosplayer, talented craftsman and elf >Produces tutorials and shows her work in progress pretty in depth>Has a degree in Theatre/Costume Design>"She had sex with my husband", top 10 anime deaths of all time>Married to Jared Pedodick Knobslob>Was in a poly relationship with Jared>Claims Holly was the reason it didn’t work out >Outed Jared’s infidelity and set twitter ablaze>Working on her current divorce and perhaps a defamation against Holly Conrad for trying to claim she had BPD and that psychologists have deemed her “unfixable” >Has started to become more vocal on that drama since Holly’s Etika sperg>Claims emotional abuse by Jared and gas lighting, and also seems to insinuate her enjoyment of sex has decreased>Blocks overtly sexual cosplays because of the ProJared controversy >Currently living alone in a new home and trying to start up her business and craft in a way to support herself>Accuses Holly of being vindictive enough to have done everything in her power to end her marriage and happiness
Dan Pirro from the Honorable House Pigeon>Dedicated white knight of Jared and Holly’s that created a campaign to prove #heidingthetruth>In direct contact with Holly Conrad Flying Monkeyhttps://twitter.com/SweetestRads
Jessica Slater from the Honorable House Pigeon >Holly stan and dedicated “sister” https://twitter.com/CupcakeValkyrie >Runs a clearly objective truth blog on tumblr while putting down Heidi on twitterhttps://jaredhollyheiditruth.tumblr.com
Participation Trophies go to the following for their dedication:>Denica >BorkScorpion, RainbowTressym, TigerNightmare, UnicornHoodlum and others>May or may not be sockpuppet accounts>Tier 3 WKs, to be mostly ignored>Autism awareness is sometimes being aware of who to avoid
>Holly Conrad/Commander Holly:https://www.instagram.com/commanderholly/https://twitter.com/HollyConradhttps://www.youtube.com/user/CommanderHolly
The Expanded Universe:
Previous GG Threads:**>Jon vs Dan speculations, are the Suzy nudes real or fake, blah blah blah, old news. Seriously, don't ask to be spoonfed this old dried up milk. Go read about it on your own. >There is a whole subreddit dedicated to GG Rule 34 where they sexualize the girlfriends/wives as well as the grumps called r/polygrumps. Suzy once long ago tweeted in support of polygrumps, but it seems like an especially toxic corner of their already toxic fanbase. I doubt she would confirm that support today.>GG sells a merch line called Game Gyaru "based on Arin and Danny, reimagined as female characters inspired by the anime series Dirty Pair, named Arina and Daniella respectively". It's a blatant tracing of the characters from "Dirty Pair" that they did not initially acknowledge.>GG release body pillows of Dan and Arin. They sell out very quickly. It's gross: >>792883>Guess what Jon's an even worse blatantly sexist/racist person than we ever could have imagined>Katie/Suzy/deviantART
Suzy "the Goose" Berhow:>Has a history of scamming fans by buying cheap jewelry from China and the likes and reselling it to fans with an absurd markup as her jewelry line or as one anon put it: "creating a really expensive jewelry line that involved very little effort on her part". Arin has to come to her defense when people find out.>Previous threads over the years were mostly about Suzy's "thyroid-related" weight gain and absurd styling choices, scamming, and how she's a ~rEaL gAmEr GuRl~ >No one seems to really have complaints about her current styling choices since she lost weight and the skunk stripe and adopted a more natural look (it's much closer to her twin sister Jean's)>Suzy was a "model" when younger, and will still constantly repost the same pictures from her past over and over again, in case anyone forgot>There sometimes seemed to be some unspoken tension between Suzy and Holly. Suzy seemed to give off the vibe of being uncomfortable not being the only cool gamer gurl in the GG group, especially when up against a girl that seemed to prefer and respect.>Seems plausible that she prefers being the female center of attention given the theory that JonTron's swift and dramatic departure from GG was due in part to some beef between Suzy and Jon's girlfriend at the time. IIRC this is still all just speculation. (Jon's too big of a topic, read that one on your own for the full backstory)>A/N: I would be kind of surprised if she showed any support for Holly at all, but maybe that's just me
Katie (Most recent GG drama unrelated to PigeonGate 2019 ):>Suzy claims she and Arin have been together since 2002. Arin's mysterious deviantART ex Katie shows up from an apparent cryogenic sleep after 10+ years and throws an insane hissy-fit about how Arin was pursuing HER during that time and she turned HIM down. >Thinks Suzy poisoned Arin against being her BEST FRIEND despite the fact that she was married, disappeared from the internet, lived across the country, and was definitely leading Arin on for some time. Arin seems to have bought her some gifts in this time.
>Minor cow Katie, rejected Arin way back when and regrets it now that he's famous:https://twitter.com/dropsofviolet
About Dice, Camera, Action:>DCA is/was a popular D&D livestream DM'd by Chris Perkins (WoTC story designer)>It's cast consisted of Holly Conrad, Jared Knabenbauer, Nathan Sharp and Anna Prosser >All of them turned out to be cheaters, hooking up with each other and breaking marriages/engagements
>Wafflecrew/Dice, Camera, Action:http://yt.vu/a1ZbgywIF6Yhttps://twitter.com/livewafflecrewhttps://twitter.com/NateWantsToBtlhttps://twitter.com/AnnaProsser
Filed Under “Other”:
Do Not Bother Ross O’Donovan>Game Grump and animator
You May Support and Subscribe at: >Ross O'Donovan/RubberNinja:https://twitter.com/RubberNinjahttps://www.youtube.com/user/RubberNinjahttps://www.instagram.com/rubberninja/
Reminder from Mods:>Subjects have to be 16+ to be discussed on lolcow. Do not include Holly's 15 year old friend’s face or social media posts here. >This is also a reminder that cowtipping is also against the rules, do not contact the girl or her parents because of her relation to Holly.>Keep whiteknight posting to when they actually spill milk.
Holly and Jared have been the prime focus of this thread for over a year with almost no grumps milk, and if the Grumps do produce in the future it probably won't be related to these two chucklefucks. I agree that it's past time for them to be separated. Either their own thread as a couple or a DnD cows thread to include people like Koebel etc that were also heavily discussed in the past thread.
Some anon has jumped the gun on like three threads in a row with no wait for discussion, and the recent summaries are full of nitpicking. Also "Ope" makes you sound like a midwestern mom OP
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I like his new trend of being annoyed by people sending him sexual messages… as if he didnt encourage this behavior for YEARS to the point of literally fucking fans.
But yeah, Jared, you are so sexualized and harrassed uwu
honestly this new trend feels like another form of manipulation. he's pretending to be annoyed and is doing it publicly so he can have something to lean on when he does find new fans to fuck and swap nudes with.
a normal person would just block and delete. this is him leaving a trail to protect himself going forward when he feels comfortable enough to go back to being a sexpest.
manipulative people like jared just love calling attention to things for seemingly no reason, just so they can control the narrative that follows. he's not doing this for stupid, unaware reasons.
i don't think this guy is a master manipulator or anything but he definitely knows how to make himself seem pitiable in order to get his way. heidi even pointed this out and it's why she still defends him when people call him a predator.
Also, if he didn't want to risk getting sexual/lewd messages, why the fuck would he answer a question about his underwear of choice? Dude did this to himself and is once again trying to be a victim
of circumstances out of his control. Get fucking real, PedoWorm. If I were more cynical, I'd think this was Hoelly or BlueJay sending him these so as to give him the chance to be the victim
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So sick of the "His whore exwife made up the false accusations to ruin his career"
Heidi didnt come forward about being a minor he sexted
Heidi didnt come forward about being a fangirl he fucked at a con
All Heidi did was tell her truth about her emotional abuse and experience with cheating
There is so much fake news about the situation, Jared is so fucking lucky about that
it's good to see how Jono phrased the ProJared stuff as how he got nudes from his fans, some of who were underage.
because even though he didn't actively seek out nudes from underage fans he still sought nudes from fans and got nudes from underaged fans who lied about their age. all of that IS true. people like to forget or intentionally obfuscate the controversy by saying Jared proved his innocence when the only thing he proved was that he got nudes from fans who lied about being of age.
ProJared is only innocent in the fact that he wasn't actively seeking child porn. he just accidentally acquired it and jerked off to it because teenagers lie and he didn't really care to think about the potential consequences of soliciting nudes from fans.
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a bit old, but i got a chuckle out of this. I know a lot of people dismiss jp's shady dealings as him being a business first and foremost, but it doesn't really match kobel's lefty soft boi persona to cross a picket line like that. also I've been curious what the fallout with steven was about, and I think this is the best explanation we're going to get
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I noticed this, too. Jared is liking tweets about people apologizing to him, and Holly is liking tweets just about cancel culture.
Neither acknowledges the elephant in the room, which makes it seem as if they have no intention of ever facing that reality.
I am glad that most people older than 20 who aren't incels can see beyond their manipulation tactics. I keep hoping it's just the vocal minority of angry trolls and young impressionable men who make it seem otherwise.
It still blows my mind that people like Anna and Holly use their positions/clout to essentially silence victims
just to insulate their abusive
social circles, only to turn around and act like they're against abuse.
In some ways, Anna is more disgusting than Holly. Tweeting at someone calling her out, then adding that this person is not responding, so "anyone reading this, keep in mind that my side is more nuanced than what she said."
All the OP wanted was Anna to acknowledge that she's failed in the past. No wonder she and Holly match so well — never take responsibility, only double down on being a victim
of "more to the story."
Which definitely explains Holly & Jared's behaviour right now, according to:>>997289
Holly probably thought her cosplay-superhero story would get everyone off her case, but tbh, all it did was remind me that she was a better person back than.
They want to be the only victims
in the room because it makes them feel special.
Considering Holly's internalized misogyny, my money's on no.
Then again, Anna isn't blonde (and therefore EVIL), so who knows!
Holly always reminds me of the quote "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".
If you're a good person who does good things for a bad cause, then the end result is still bad overall.
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Damn, the replies to this are fucking golden
>"In addition, if you tried to make amends doesn’t mean someone has to trust or forgive you.">"These are the repercussions of your actions
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If only Anna's former co-workers could actally learn
from their 'mistakes'…
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Glad other people are seeing the patterns here too.
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…Protecting someone from the consequences of their actions is doing a big disservice to them in the long run.
I think Holly is fucking delusional when it comes to Jared. She is so dickmatized that she doesnt see anything he did as wrong. that and she probably only knows about it from what he has explained to her, I doubt she saw the whole operation, especially in its prime. it's not like Jared was like "hey look at this hot fangirl I'm about to bang", I'm sure the way he put it to Holly was "yes I receive nudes but its only for body positivity uwu, besides, we are Striath, we are different"
Holly just seems too jealous to be totally on board with him sexting and fucking fans. Maybe I'm wrong because she obvs knew about it but if she loses her mind being jealous of Jared's literal wife I dont see her liking his fan fucking behavior
Then again she is still good buddies with Scarlet Moth who admitted to sexting and sending nudes to Jared, so who knows. Does seem funny that he has reached out and sent nudes to SO many of Heidi and Holly's friends. Must always be in the back of her mind when he interacts with other female creators/cosplayers. I hope it kills Holly inside knowing that Jared was talking to literally dozens of attractive women while she was sitting at home crying about his marriage every night
It's not just Jared she's delusional with, it's anyone she likes.
Adam Koebel's abuse was very easy for ANYONE to see, it happened on a livestream and was archived on YouTube.
She still wouldn't take him to task.
Her friends can do no wrong.
It's funny because in the end, Holly was a good human shield. She was loud and drew much of the attention away and seems to have been affected by the fall out a lot less over all. Though, I suppose she wasn't the one trading nudes with fans in the end. Wonder how long Jared will stick around with her now that the divorce is actually final.>>997581>I hope it kills Holly inside knowing that Jared was talking to literally dozens of attractive women while she was sitting at home crying about his marriage every night
Bu…but she won, anon! She overcame all those awful, abusive
, beautiful women who were just using him! Diath, I mean Jared, Is finally her's! What a prize! kek
iirc jenny nicholson pointed this exact thing out WAY back when jared released his bullshit "statement". i have no idea why it went ignored but perhaps that should be quote tweeted to every moron who can't stop screaming about how jared was only viewing CP by accident>>997288
this is so scummy it's borderline beautiful. i've said this before and i'll say it again: this whole """community""" of DnD performers who get their heads blown up and start considering themselves celebrities above minor inconveniences such as accountability, the whole ass community, is cancer and should be tossed out lol
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Looks like ProPedo's stans are already on the offensive - one created a countertumblr to TrashWitchCoven, attacking Heidi while trying to defend ProPedo and Hoelly.
I mean i dont like anna either but was she supposed to wear black and cover her head for seven years to mourn her ex husband? Shes still a self employed woman who needs to sell her merch..
On a side note, did her ex-husband started dating the ex-fiancee of the guy anna cheated with or i allucinated that? Not that it matters, just, what a fuckfest if its true lol
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I’ll just leave this here
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Also known to be pathetically thirsty before he finally bagged his current wife and is being accused by kaitlyn of abuse and grooming. He confirmed that he was boundary crossing, controlling, and used her as an emotional crutch but wrote off the parts about pressuring her via not letting her bf come around and 'grooming' her. Kaitlyn's own behavior is it's own post, just wanted to cover the JP info.>>997719
He's trying to retroactively justify his sex pest actions by normalizing sexual content in his feed now despite the fact that his primary outward facing persona was always much more family friendly.
Holly's gotta make sure Jared knows his place at all times, huh?
Ding ding ding
I thought about posting about them here yesterday but I think we should all agree to just ignore them. They even made a long dramatic post about how soon they would get attention and that they were so scared of lolcow finding them. All I'm favor of never giving them the attention they so desperately want?
Also, that username… yikes. "I'm all for Jared fucking fans because body positivity but women are whores and what do whores use? Only fans!" Clearly that dude needs to grow up and stop posting lolcow screenshots
Genuinely confused about what he's complaining about. He's mad Dr Disrespect has stans? That people are commenting and trying to figure out what happened? That some other youtubers are supporting him or even just talking about it?
I know that he's just a miserable person who constantly complains, but what even is he trying to say?
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>"clout chasers leeching in the replies"
You mean like this
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Ah, the "Etika's suicide is just like the clown emojis I'm getting." saga.
So long ago now.
Considering she's being welcome back to the D&D with the #dndblockparty that's being organized by a lot of people officially involved with the D&D brand, she's still got clout to go around sadly.
Everyone on that side forgave her instantly.
In terms of non-Critical Role D&D streams, 150 is a lot.
Shit like "D&D Communitea" and "DMsGuild Design Dash" are lucky if they get fifty.
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Nah 150 is still shit. Look at the Highrollers stream right now on the yogscast they have 6K+ right now. There are a lot of dnd streams with thousands of viewers
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Regardless of all the other shit Holly and Jared did, I hate how they hurt Ross. I still see comments like this and it's so gross that people rub it in his face that Holly left him for Jared. Leave the guy alone!
Wait, were Jared and Holly making fun of Ross? What the hell? >>997879
The worst part is that Holly and all of their central group of stans are probably actually victims
of Jared, too.
They're all nice people who are being manipulated by their compassion. Holly is someone with a clear savior complex who seems to feel emotions way too much sometimes.
Doesn't change the fact that they're also hurting other people by trying to silence any conversation about Jared's behavior in the past.
>>998125> Wait, were Jared and Holly making fun of Ross? What the hell?
Probably a mix of 1.) fear that him being vested in drama might mean him being comfortable with getting into drama himself and possibly speaking up and 2.) wanting to subtly undermine him in case he does come forward he'll already be a little discredited.
not saying that ross is into drama, but i think if holly and jared were smart they would fear him a bit since he can easily debunk their whole web of lies, and they tend to react to people they can't control very poorly and illogically.
Well thank god Ross upgraded to a well adjusted high value woman that treats him well and with respect instead of some embarrassing pick me.
It'd be a shame if he actually took that jab to heart.
Pretty ironic that the guy who had all the financial power in his last relationship and used it to manipulate his partner is now in the opposite position.
I hope he enjoys Holly holding him hostage by the purse strings AND all the dirt she'll screech across the internet if he ever tries to leave.
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But he still openly associates with the equally toxic
/talentless storytime animators.
Ross is a great guy and talented animator, it's a shame he spent months on his latest cartoon could barely get 300k views but STAs can shit out their "animations" almost constantly (mind you Jaiden/James hire animators now, so it's not even their work!) and break well over a million views easily.
How come JaidenAnimations is considered toxic
? I don't mean to defend her just curious to what happened.
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>>998285>But he still openly associates with […] talentless storytime animators>he spent months on his latest cartoon could barely get 300k views but STAs can shit out their "animations" almost constantly (mind you Jaiden/James hire animators now, so it's not even their work!)
So the guy who busts his ass to make his art high quality is also the one who enjoys the company of the ones who laze around and put no effort in. and you're mad because…? If he wants to hang out with people who don't try as hard as him, who gives a shit.
I'm interested in those toxicity receipts though. Assuming you're not pic related, that is.
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>>998263>No wonder Jared seems so dead inside kek
Good thing Holly saved him from that sooper dooper abusive
relationship! Look at how much he's thriving by her side! wow.
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The place has a basement, that wasn't shown off in the tour.
Entirely possible Holly just wasn't using it, and Jared set up down there.
Where he belongs, with the rats.
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What the fuck is wrong with Geraldo
also nonbinary woman is the perfect label for those cis chicks who didnt enjoy playing with dolls and hate pink and in their minds this means they have gender dysphoria lmao.
why am i not suprised she was already a she/they
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Jesus, Jared is more of a pussy than the fucking cat is.
Gasp, Aries abused Jared too!
I'm honestly just really glad jared didnt try to keep Aries. I know he was Heidi's cat before she ever got with Jared but I wouldn't put it past him to claim that Heidi was too unstable to take care of him
I stg if i had a "fan" like this I'd be investing in a handy dandy restraining order
She does this on both Jared's and Holly's crap, it would be borderline psychotic if it weren't so pathetic lol
Inb4 Jared gets all "I never like that furball anyway!" & attempts a photo-op with Mojo.
Speaking of, I wonder how Holly's cat & birds respond to his presence, if they actually do
Yep. One of his biggest arguments to their unreliability as "victims
" was that they were creating lots of GG fan content, along with commissions. He considered it a sign of them being mentally unwell and thus couldn't be trusted.
I don't think saying "this is beautiful" about a fanart image of oneself is queerbaiting simply because it includes his "persona" or himself kissing a fictional male character. Jared isn't pretending to be sexually attracted to anyone who presents as male or another gender identity.
I hate Jared as much as the next person, but unless there is evidence that isn't complimenting fanart for fan points, I don't think queerbaiting is something that is applicable to him.
1) he's a real person and therefore cannot "queerbait" anyone into believing he can decide on a whim to bang dudes for representation
2) he could be bi/pan. In my heart od hearts i want to believe the rumor of him coming too son in a threesome with two other guys lol
Yeah ofc they can, but queerbait what? That in the season finale of the projared show he's going to make out with austin cograve aka pbgamer?
He's a real person, not fiction
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More of the annoying bad brain day dialect… please I'm begging them just speak normally and not all uwu
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Apparently bad brain days mean searching your own name
Andnot because of thoughts of self-harm or suicide….
But because she needed to hide from the mean internet.
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Oh, fuck off, Hoelly. You belonged just fine until you defended your sex pets of a boy toy that may or may not be a pedo. Not surprised to see her #1 stan right there, ready with the asspats
You guys know the Hi Namesearcher account is just a meme and doesn't magically know when people search their name on twitter right? It's just a bot that picks a name at random from their list and inserts it into one of their prewritten tweets. If you look back at its timestamps you can see it tweets at the same times every day, like most bots.
There's no way to find out what other users search on twitter. People get outed as namesearchers (or searching some other phrase) based on interacting with tweets they likely wouldn't have seen otherwise, or other incriminating behavior.
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In Holly's likes
She really does have a hard on for people rightfully getting cancelled, huh? Not at all surprised that she feels bad for Shane, tbh I'm just surprised she hasnt openly come out in support of him since she loves trash men with pedophilic tendencies
It's funny because TRS latched onto Holly HARD specifically because of his own hang-ups with cancel culture.
In other words, one of the targets of his shitty drama channel masquerading as a mental health channel clapped back at him and he couldn't handle the backlash.
Really? Hadeel is IN the inner circle, she's in the Friday Ravenloft game on the official WOTC channel, which is produced by the D&D social media manager. She's about as "in" with the community as one can get without being officially involved in game or adventure design.
Freakin' drama queens…
Honestly I think Holly just sees the word "cancelled" and stops there, I dont think she reads into anything besides the fact that she found a fellow victim
Still so funny that she tries to make herself out to be the big "cancelled victim
" of the drama when Jared AND Heidi had it wayyyyyyy worse than she did. Yeah she got lots of shit but it was nothing compared to what the other two got and still get. I bet it annoys jared hearing her whine about it
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Didnt she say she wasnt Asexual like she thought she was because Jared awoken feelings that she, an adult married woman, had never felt before?
actually the demi flag not the asexual flag>>999576
please give up holly, you make this scene worse
that's the thing, i don't think she's lying on anything she's saying, she wholeheartedly believes all of this shit, when you spend so much time on the internet you start to.
Oh, sometimes i think women are kind of hot? must be bi.
The honeymoon phase passed VERY quickly with my ex and i had no intention of having sex with him, and in the midst of this boredome rpg-sex with my male married friend made me wet? well, i'm falling in love with my friend so i must be demi.
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Who do you think Jared was thinking of when he liked this tweet?
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The whole thread explains quite a lot, tbh.
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Jared seems to sexually identify as polyamorous. "I didnt cheat on my wife, but I did tell her that I refused to close our relationship because I decided that my identity is being polyamorous"
Like someone said last thread, Jared's biggest advantage is all the fake news about how their poly relationship worked. His fans think that she opened it just to bang a bunch of black dudes but didn't want him doing the same thing. In reality she gave it a shot and decided it wasnt for her, she shouldn't be antagonized for changing her mind. People are allowed to revoke consent
Also like Heidi said he didnt ask for a divorce until months after she wanted to close the relationship. He didnt say "if we can not have an open relationship then I will have to end this because that is what I want" instead he lied to her for months about having agreed to closing it and guilted her for requesting him do so while he had multiple physical affairs and a serious emotional one
Also I'm sorry but with how much of a jealous pick me Holly is there is NO WAY that she will be okay with polyamory. I know that the "anonymous source" scarlet moth told the petition owner months ago that Holly and Ross had an open relationship (they also said that that their marriage was abusive
for HOLLY, think about that) but there is no fucking way. She claims to be demisexual yet is in a relationship with a sex addict who identifies sexually as polyamorous. I'm sure their relationship will end sooooo great
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There it is; the reason she went public with all of this.
You called someone an asshole for giving a legitimate criticism, albeit in a shitty way. So yes, that equates to "Heidi is beyond criticism".
She could have made this take without implying that people who identify as "poly" are in the wrong.
Deleted the post b/c it's just some rando attempting to argue semantics with Heidi.
Have you seen anyone say that criticisms of those people are unwarranted here? No? Then you know I agree with that.
But nice whataboutism, trying to avoid admitting it was a bad take, I see. You know, that whole "beyond criticism" thing I mentioned before, it really seems like you're trying to justify that.
>Ross was in therapy and super depressed for MONTHS after the divorce
I saw many Jared+Holly stans telling people that Ross "seemed happy after the divorce", & then I remember exactly this
& I fucking see red, because they're trying to rewrite & sugarcoat everything for those less familiar.
They really weaponized his "leave me out of this".
Also, it's Hored not Jolly.
I still think there was some truth to the insinuation they were an open couple and he would fuck around, esp if she was using the excuse of being asexual to never have sex w him.
Then again it would be an heidi situation, poly doesnt mean "i do the fuck i want and you have to be ok w it" and holly still breached his trust by dumping his ass for a turd with googly eyes glued on top lol
Yeah but in the texts between Holly and Heidi she literally told Heidi that Ross was okay with her hooking up with women but not men, and that was AFTER her and Jared's infamous walk and she called Heidi abusive
for revoking consent
Especially because it wasnt "I'll tell him" it was "I'll tell him after we are all at our mutual friends party next week" I feel like she just wanted more time to sext rp with Jared before Ross potentially cut it out
Maybe Holly told Moth that Ross was abusive
for the same reasons Heidi was; he said no
Also does anyone know the date of those messages/the walk/when shit went down? I wonder if the DCA episode following it was awkward or weird between those two. Also when are we gonna get a DCA Hored cringe compilation lmao
Obviously tinfoil, but here's a theory about how the events might fit together:
- Holly and Jared confess their feelings Feb 2018 during their "walk"
- according to Heidi's stream, Holly and Jared immediately begin explicitly sexting before Ross is even aware that Holly wants to be poly
- Heidi gets mad, revokes consent for this reason
- Holly calls Heidi abusive
for getting mad and raising her voice. Jared is pissed by this accusation and tells Heidi
- Holly slithers in with the "I thought you would hate me because you're sooo nice and pretty" apology. Holly promises to tell Ross what's going on, after an upcoming party
- Instead of saying, "I love Jared but not you" to Ross, she instead tells him that Jared is being abused by Heidi and she's soooooo worried and they need to get involved
- Ross is then manipulated into visiting and supporting Jared because he thinks this is an abuse issue and not just them setting him up to be chucked. Allegedly tells Jared about Holly's history of abusing him but "it's better now" so he just wants to support a friend who is supposedly going through the same experience
- Jared, having how heard from two "concerned friends", tells Heidi that Ross is on his side and that they are all just concerned about her abusing him
- Heidi begins feeling confused and isolated as Holy successfully triangulates the issue and begins adding more minions to the "save Jared from Heidi" campaign.
Most of this info was given in Heidi's tell-all stream, but the real tinfoil is Ross' missing perspective. This is just an idea about what might have happened to justify Ross supposedly "supporting and visiting Jared" early in the drama, but later completely withdrawing and supporting no other players.
This timeline is innacurate.
>- according to Heidi's stream, Holly and Jared immediately begin explicitly sexting before Ross is even aware that Holly wants to be poly>- Heidi gets mad, revokes consent for this reason
Heidi revoked consent the day after the walk and said it was related to them not answering their phones that night. It had nothing to do with Ross being informed from what Heidi said in the text that day telling Jared he wasn't allowed to go after Holly.
Disagres, watch Heidi's stream again>>1001089
Yes, and she mentioned in the stream that the costume sexting happened between the walk and before Ross was informed, which was the final straw (or maybe one of them)
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This is what she talked about the next day, and all of their stories line up saying that she asked to end the poly arrangement that day.
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>"your twisted false memories"
Well, that's a new one.
The messages in this screenshot actually line up with Holly's accusations of abuse, according to the video at 46:00. The abuse accusation was a direct result of the convo where Heidi revoked consent and yelled at Holly (38:10). All these events happened back to back so it's easy to confuse the order.
Explanation of the walk starts at 37:00. She goes on to mention that they didn't even know if Holly and Ross had an open marriage until that point.
48:30 she starts mentioning Holly's marriage
"Another disclaimer – I have no idea what his experience was like, I can't speak for him… all I know was that I watched Holly taking advantage of a situation that had not been cleared with all parties"
51:00 "I said no before he had an opportunity to say yes"
51:37 - she mentions the reason she yelled at them was because they were explicitly talking about banging in costume before Holly had a convo with Ross about opening their marriage. "If you'll do it to another person in this situation then you'll do it to me. And that is the point where I pulled the plug"
55:15 "so it's actually this day that she accused me of abuse"
It's a complex situation to explain and she gets ahead of herself at points and has to clarify or go back in the explanation timeline. Just watch it though.
Shes also the "anon" source that went to the petition owner last summer before Jared's video came out. She claimed to be a former twitch mod of his who had sent nudes and sexted him before despite being asexual and said that Holly's claims of Heidi's abuse were accurate, that Ross had know about and supported Hared, and that Holly and Ross's marriage was abusive
for Holly at times. She shared personal texts between herself and Holly with the petition owner to post but Holly reached out to him herself to ask him not to share them
funny, considering Ross doesn't follow Moth (or unfollowed her?) I have no doubt Holly told Moth all that though, considering she thinks everybody who doesn't asspat her blindly is abusive
She's also another abuser enabler like Holly, she basically cancelled her RPG game when she announced delays due to "technical difficulties" that turned out to be one player quitting because another player had let an abuser go scot-free elsewhere.
Birds of a feather.
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Context: Recently, many 'top players' in the competitive gaming scene were accused & confirmed to have been grooming and/or having sex with underage fans/players
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…And I'm glad someone actually pointed out how familiar these recent incidents are with this whole thing.
With how things are going today, Heidi probably didn't even need to say anything in hindsight.
Although she'd probably snap from Jared's stans begging
her to defend him despite being divorced from him.
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This person voices a similar concern:
>"I'll never forgive gamer fandoms for having no moral backbone"
It's also a good reminder that 'mob mentality' works both ways.
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Louder for the people in the back!
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>>1001579>Jared is just lucky that his scandal was at a time where no other influencers were facing those consequences
If/when that that happens, all Heidi needs to say is "Oh, now
you want me to speak up?"
& literally nothing else.
Assuming it was about Ben? the editor making sexual jokes about Jacob Sartorious or whatever and implying he had his nudes
Jacob being a minor
He bounces off of arin well, but for sure his appeal is the "big brother" vibe, reassuring and sweet. You often forget he's a 40 y/o, he really sounds and acts like a goofy dude pushing 30.
I dont particularly like his singing either, he may have perfect pitch but when he hits those notes he becomes so nasaly i cant stand it.
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Holly “Be kind and positive!” Cumrag, everyone
Did he go into hiding because of pressure from outsiders? I feel like a lot of people take that as some kind of admission of guilt, even though to my mind it obviously isn't.
Also, did he ever contact anyone else who was affected by Jared besides Charlie? If so, do they have any plans to come forward with more information in the future?
I hate that Jared used your brother as a scapegoat to make his case. I'd love to see him get some justice, but I don't know how to support him.
So on top of not having proof of being his brother, you dont have proof he actually swapped nudes with jared after disclosing he was underage?
Tbh the most unbelievable part of chai swapping nudes is that he looks not at all like what jared likes lol. No offence but he looks like a chubby little boy and so far theres no indication that was what jared's into. That's the major reason why i do believe that if chai wasnt straight up lying, was either exaggerating or delusional.
I'm not the brother. I'm someone asking the brother questions. Sorry if that was confusing. I have no idea if his brother has any info about the nudes, that's why I was curious.
And I don't think we can tell based on how the person looks. Heidi and Holly are two very different people, for example. It could also have been a power dynamic thing more than just a desire for nudes of a specific type.
Remember, Jared seems to have a fetish for vulnerability.
A disabled kid with self-esteem/body-image issues would seem like a perfect target for someone like him.
Exactly this. It's about power, not attraction.
Reminds me of Shane Dawson constantly making edgy remarks and asking fans to twerk for him etc. It's not realistic that he's individually whacking it to every single person. It's about the power he feels that he can make them do something embarrassing.
Where do you get the "fetish" for vulnerability? From the reliable proof we have he surely likes to be the one in control and be adored, so he bangs fans, but none of the girls that spoke up and released infos said anything about him specifically singling them out because they were in a frail state of mind.
I don't like Jared, he abused his power and i am 100% sure he'd do it again if it wasnt for the scandal, but so far he doesnt look like a full on predator.
Dan, on the other hand……. That i could believe
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OT, but relevant
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Thanks for reminding me of this savage burn.
True, youre right.
Still dont believe chai was telling the truth, with the amount of underage fans the guy had i find it weird that only a couple (not even girls) came forward with no substantial proof.
Didnt one claim to maybe have misremembered and ooops my bad guys?
Chai and Charlie are trans/NB so physically they were female when they submitted the stuff.
There was also the account on Reddit but that's the one I actually doubt.
Yeah but anon, gaslighting isn't aboose if Holly or her whiteknights do it! The only aboose comes from Heidi and her scary yells after being gaslighted
>"FUCK JARED" until he reached out to them and then magically it was "He's misunderstood, you guys"
You can not
convince me that Jared simply 'reaching out' caused that one to flip so quickly.
No, not Unogirl.
There was another account, ProJBurnerAccount, that claimed to be underage and that Jared knew that fact.
That one is a less believable than other accounts because of how many perversr revelations Jared supposedly told them compared to anything anyone else came forward with.
It's the source of the "standing naked in front of his window" and "prematurely ejaculated during a threesome with two men" claims.
Didn't they just post & dip though?
I don't remember seeing anything else from them afterwards.
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Never forget that Holly admitted that she only started saying Heidi was abusive
after Heidi yelled at her on the phone for fucking PedoWorm. Heidi was abusive
for being angry, but Hoelly was just the poor mistreated saint.
Yup, they posted and claimed all this stuff and then never again. Even their receipts were dubious.
At least Charlie had some screenshots even if they did lie about their age.
Point is he shouldn’t have been asking for nudes from fans of any age which would have stopped him from receiving underage ones.
It’s especially gross that he used the body positivity guise to weed out the fans he thought were attractive so he could message them further for sexting/con meet ups vs telling the “ugly” fans good job and then ghosting them.
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Jeez, tell me something I didn't
already know, Heidi!
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There's been a lot of controversy going around involving popular Youtubers/Gamers/etc predating on their fans and/or abusing people lately.
I think that people should take a second look at this whole situation & what Jared has done to improve himself one year later (besides insisting that he's the victim
"I bought you a car, Heidi. You can't be upset with me. It's like a rule or something."
For fricks sake, you buy shit for the ones you care for out of the goodness of your heart, not to use to prove some point when you fuck up. I feel like 95% of his fans have never been in a stable and loving relationship if they think this is a good excuse to not be mad.
ben is an adult man in his 20s or 30s who sent harassing messages to a kid to send nudes. and then his gut reaction when people found out about it was to get mad and block people pointing it out instead of reflecting on it and being like "yeah okay i can see why that wasn't the best move."
joke or not, the whole thing is fucking weird. i'm past the point of giving randos the benefit of a doubt. there are better editors out there that also don't send creepy messages to minors for "fun." i'm failing to see how telling a kid to share nudes is humorous but then again i'd be hard-pressed to find a time in which i could consider anything ben has done as "funny."
It’s clear to me that it was meant as a joke, since it was tweeted publicly, and repeatedly. It’s certainly not appropriate and isn’t funny, but it was meant as a joke, and the intent is what really matters in this situation.
That said, the more important issue in my mind is what it says about everyone involved. Why does Ben think it’s okay to joke like that? Why does Arin think it’s okay to keep him on as editor?
I think people trying to cancel GG over this are ridiculous, but in my opinion Arin should fire Ben. It’s really not a good look at this point. Like you said, there are many people who could edit, and Ben isn’t even that good.
I’m sure Arin doesn’t want to cave to pressure, but at this point he really should for the sake of his brand. Even if the controversy is unnecessary, it’s bad for business.
I just don’t understand. GG is a Company. Ben is not their friend. Just send him on his way.
huh, maybe it's because i LOATHED supermega's style of editing and all of their fuckups, but i really enjoy ben's, it's non intrusive and most of the time a fun easter egg to find (well, ok, mostly it's dick jokes but you know, GG aint high art).
The true king was og Barry, hope he's doing ok.
>> I just don’t understand. GG is a Company. Ben is not their friend. Just send him on his way.
it's the same reason why it was Arin apologizing for GG, instead of the corporate GG account: GG's appeal is the "two big brothers playing games with you", right, sure they scream and cuss a lot but they're also "sweet" and positive and they are the bestest friends! Everyone at GG is a friend! I bet that if GG were to fire Ben, people would make it an absolute nightmare for Arin and maybe giving a second chance to an edgelord is better than the headache that would entile
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I think arin is a bit soft-hearted and felt like it would be unkind to fire someone whose mom just died. I don't agree with that decision but it sounds like Arin. It's only a matter of time before other creepy stuff Ben has done/said comes to light and he gets let go. Like he posted creepy tweets to/about a minor for 4 years! That means he started when jacob was 13. Who in their right mind thinks that's ok? And funny at that? At best he just looks like he is weirdly obsessed with a teenage boy. There has to be other edgelord attempts at humor floating around.
Amazing that a guy with "penis" in his twitter handle is a dick lol
Damn what an edgelord. Who is this jacob sartorius guy? Why does he keep trolling him?
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>"When you give someone the power to do what they've always wanted to do, then you see exactly what they've always wanted to do."
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Friendly reminder that people really should re-think the whole "Projared is innocent!" thing…
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I'd like to say that the only people who support/believe Jared are completely uneducated on what actually happened and only picked up bits and pieces from the memes, but unfortunately plenty of his fans know everything and just dont care
Also, did anyone else see Holly's new insta post? Thoughts?
"I'm the victim
! Poor me! Mean comics were drawn about me which is worse than abuse and gaslighting. Also don't forget that I had to see clown emojis. I am always the real victim
, poor me."
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Best reply I've seen to that post so far
I also love that she mentions the people on the internet who claim to be "kind and tolerant" when that is literally her entire schtick - "#BeKind unless I want to fuck your husband and then you're an abusive
, mentally ill, unfixable cunt"
I hate that women are judged by their appearance, not their content, but that is the way of society and media, Holly. You chose a career that involves being visible, and yeah, people are going to evaluate you based on your appearance. >>1003582
Definitely the best response. Holly can look like a sack of potatoes or a supermodel; it's her actions that make her disgusting.
After, of course
"Oh, you felt ugly after your husband left you for me and made you feel like shit for a year+? Well what about ME"
Imagine being with someone this fucking negative. I'm beginning to think she's an emotional vampire. >>1003646
That's some passive aggressive skill right there. Holly is a one upper. Comes with the "pick me" types.
You know it just kills her inside that a vast majority of people agreed that Heidi was way more attractive and Jared was downgrading.
She does have a haggard face but her attitude has made her look 100 times more hideous. Even she is far too physically attractive to be with Jared though. He looks like a fucking monster. They are probably close to equals on the personality spectrum though.
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Holly back on that “I’m so sad, look how depressed I am guys” train
I find it weird that she seems to be saying she was confident with a great self-image until the drama. She's always seemed somewhat insecure (almost everyone is, it's not a bad thing), especially with her upset around the 'prettier' femshep and intentionally choosing to play and portray herself as conventionally ugly characters - e.g. trash witch. It just feels wrong that she's writing this post about her insecurities and essentially saying 'This whole issue has made me hate how I look' as if she didn't have issues with her appearance in the first place.
Maybe I'm being overly critical or reading it wrong but it just feels disingenuous to me. If she'd said that it had made her feel worse, I'd understand wholeheartedly, but to imply it only stems from the drama feels like yet another attempt to make people feel bad for disliking her.
lmao we knew she'd blame Heidi for any of Jared's current issues, but now it's even funnier that she's pinning the blame for HER personal problems as well.
She's been facetuning the shit out of her eye and cheek bags even before she targeted Heidi. Compared to the pics where she smooths out almost everything, she looks like a completely different person.
Tbh I dont doubt she was insecure because I mean look at her. If you watch any of her streams she is always hunched over and nervously chewing on her hands. Plus she was doing DnD shows with very classically gorgeous women like Anna or Erika Ishi
I'm sure she has always been insecure- or atleast since her Ross divorce- but the one thing that kept her going was knowing that Jared picked HER, but now that everyone knows about her fuckery and roasts her it became a lot worse
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Hey Unsolved Mysteries, I've got an idea for your next season!
It's the mystery of how this bitch still has any clout.
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How does he not get that he's Amber Heard in this situation?
The guy wishes
he was Jonny Depp.
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Now they can be together lol
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I hope the folks in the replies also see that he was (predictably) one of the ones who flipped after watching Jared's video.
Must've hit too close to home I guess…
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…And not without taking a swipe at Chai, no less.
Incel MRAs always love this case cause they can rage out at Amber Heard as much as they want to at real victims
and use her as a scapegoat for why other women are lying. He's pandering to his fanbase well. It's been over a year now, so these incels aren't just Jared's new demographic but his demographic. >>1003916
The thing that always gets me about anyone who reacted positively to Jared's video or anything he and Holly have said about the nudes situation since is that it's boggling there are all these grown adults who think the response of a gown man upon finding out that he's accidentally been sexually involved with minors should be anything but to examine how that happened. He needed to apologize for taking advantage of his fans, and talk about ways to change his behavior that he could be held accountable to follow through on. Instead people want to accept the scraps of "lol yeah i got off to the nudes but they said they were 18 checkmate I beat cancel culture."
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A good thread:https://twitter.com/CrimsonReviewer/status/1280719084766801920
>"…Saying “Don’t pick on Heidi” then “It’s all her fault.” He was manipulative and disgusting.
Yeah, pretty much.
Why do all well known youtube predators have that weird "I'm a goldfish with bulbous eyeballs pointing in two directions and dead inside" look?
An anon in another thread pointed out Shane's eyes looking like Onision and now I can't stop noticing it.
Man, it's almost like ending the relationship and not soliciting your fanbase for nudes and not trying to paint the spouse as an abusive
harpy and doing things like a goddamn adult when you're in your 30s means you can avoid a WOTC blacklist and career-ending drama.
She probably would have said no, too. Jared looks like an eldritch horror.>>1004009
Kek, pretty much this.
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Sage for no milk.
Someone is spamming this at Jared and I am screaming.
Lmao at the anon on /ot/ currently exchanging nudes with this bird looking ass dude.>>1004268
Exactly what Jared wants.
"Nothing more to see here! Nope! Nothing to reconsider!"
Just checked, if it's true then that's fucking hilarious!
He sure is a 'changed man'! lmao