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Last time on the "It's been 84 years…" Edition….
> Trash Witch Coven, move over! Holly rebranded her company to "We Crowing Hens", once again changing everything based on her latest fixation. A section of the website mentions 'Courses' that she's apparently going to offer in the future; Educators everywhere wept.
> Holly still attempts to brand herself as "Forest Witch" until people draw similarities in her attempting to turn into Heidi; She backtracks within just a few hours.
> SadOldMagician, one of Holly's biggest supporters and husband of another supporter GeraldoGuacamole, took to tumblr in an attempt to defend Holly - but really just came off looking like a huge simp. Since the three regularly go on nature hikes, we can only assume it's a matter of time before Holly moves in to wreck another marriage.
> Holly posts a picture of her chickens in front of Jared's wall of NES games, once again trying to publicly stake her claim and make clear that they're still together (spoiler alert: no one cares)
> ProJared brings up a bottle of wine from a retreat that he was "saving for a better day", claiming that Heidi allegedly stole it, despite the fact that it was marital property and therefor part hers as well.
> Adam Koebel decides to temporarily quit streaming, but not before writing lengthy post about how hard this has been ON HIM with next to no consideration for anyone else. Internet loses their shit - but fear not, Holly was right there to tell him "Never stop making art!".
> Another day, another "Woe is me, I have a bad brain" pitiful picture from ProJared via Instagram. Said post coincides with what WOULD have been his anniversary with Heidi and with Heidi signing the last document in their divorce.
> Heidi is focusing primarily on her business while both Jared and Holly seemingly struggle to do anything that doesn't circle back to them being victims of Cancel Culture(tm)
> Ope, it turns out Jared learned nothing as he is now streaming a sex-based game on his twitch that he now KNOWS is viewed by minors. He is also sent nudes by a fan and rather than saying "Please don't do this", he just mentions that that's not what his BUSINESS email is for (y'know, after screenshotting it)
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Previous Threads (The ProJared Saga Begins):
Character Descriptions and Stats:
Jared "the Wormdick" Knabenbauer>Known for having a gaming youtube channel where he reviewed games>Formed "Waffle crew", the D&D group that would soon turn out to be a dumpster fire>All hell broke lose when his ex-wife revealed he has been manipulating, abusing and cheating on her>Soon after, other victims of his started leaking chat logs and nudes>Turns out he was soliciting underage porn >Went into hiding>Throughout DCA, his D&D character, Diath, was having an on-going romance with Strix, his co-player Holly Conrad's character>Turns out they were also involved IRL, cheating on their spouses>Holly is currently whiteknighting him on twitter, while he is trying to manipulate his side-pieces from the shadows>One of his side-pieces fell for it and now is changing her initial statement, trying to get on his good side (even though he ghosted her before)>Heidi accuses Jared of threatening legal action if she speaks up. Unfortunately Heidi casts “Absorb Elements” just like she did for his initial divorce statement. Jared takes an extra 1d6 damage on her next melee attack.
Charisma: send noOds
Holly "Manic Pixie Butterface" Conrad (current power-level):>Got into D&D, started thinking she's literally Strix - her character>Cheated on Ross with Jared the Wormdick while trying to manipulate both Jared and his wife>Once Heidi (Jared's wife) revealed her as a side hoe, she locked down everything and checked into the tumblr hospital>After getting back on the net, she started autistically defending herself and Jared, claiming she never cheated and Heidi is literally Hitler>Professional victim, her NPD can be seen from space>Emotionally abused Ross, claimed she never felt love until she met Jared>Claims to have not cheated on her ex-husband despite his refusal to make one comment about the situation in her defense>Can't stand even tiny criticism about herself, reads her lolcow thread though>Compared Etika’s suicide, a popular black YouTuber, to her own suicidal ideation by showcasing they both received clown emojis as “bullying.” >Suffers backlash from the black community, Etika’s fans and Twitter>After being called out for taking advantage of a person’s suicide, Holly infamously deflects criticism by tweeting, “I’m sorry. I’m mentally ill.”
Luck: ran out
Charisma: clown emoji
Holly Conrad’s Previous Stats:>Holly is a “talented cosplayer/craftsman/special effects artist and well respected in the community”, even appearing on Syfy's "Heroes of Cosplay">Was one of the main focuses of the 2011 Documentary "Comic-Con Episode IV: A Fan's Hope" (directed by Morgan Spurlock)>Originally gained notoriety for her Commander Shepard/FemShep cosplay>Married to Ross O'Donovan, beloved animator and member of the GG Family, from 2012 to 2018>When it came to Arin/Suzy vs Ross/Holly most people preferred Ross and Holly, because they felt less fake and Holly was famous separate of Ross, not riding her husband's coattails like Suzy.>Was best buds with Jared's wife Heidi, another talented and respected cosplayer/craftsman>Apparent tragic backstory = quirky anxiety uwu. I don't really know the whole backstory on this one, not sure if it really matters. >But was apparently close to her grandfather and inherited his house(?) in Washington(?) when he passed away which was in theory part of the reason she and Ross amicably split. Jared and Heidi just also happened to live in Washington.>Other speculated factors included Holly being asexual (lmao), the toxic GG fan-community, "having codependency issues", and wanting to leave LA while Ross wanted to stay>Publicly their divorce was mutual, amicable, and came as somewhat of a shock….OR WAS IT?>Basically all this drama is so juicy because Holly "quirky manic pixie dream bird gurl, asexual anxiety, luvs animals so obviously wouldn't hurt anyone uwu" Conrad was the surprise plot twist villain we never saw coming
For More On Holly Conrad:>A History of Holly: >>838840 (Source: PULL)
Charisma: Not Suzy
Heidi of the House O'Ferrall, Hell Hath No Fury, Giver of Zero Fucks, Destroyer of Careers>Non-lewd cosplayer, talented craftsman and elf >Produces tutorials and shows her work in progress pretty in depth>Has a degree in Theatre/Costume Design>"She had sex with my husband", top 10 anime deaths of all time>Married to Jared Pedodick Knobslob>Was in a poly relationship with Jared>Claims Holly was the reason it didn’t work out >Outed Jared’s infidelity and set twitter ablaze>Working on her current divorce and perhaps a defamation against Holly Conrad for trying to claim she had BPD and that psychologists have deemed her “unfixable” >Has started to become more vocal on that drama since Holly’s Etika sperg>Claims emotional abuse by Jared and gas lighting, and also seems to insinuate her enjoyment of sex has decreased>Blocks overtly sexual cosplays because of the ProJared controversy >Currently living alone in a new home and trying to start up her business and craft in a way to support herself>Accuses Holly of being vindictive enough to have done everything in her power to end her marriage and happiness
Dan Pirro from the Honorable House Pigeon>Dedicated white knight of Jared and Holly’s that created a campaign to prove #heidingthetruth>In direct contact with Holly Conrad Flying Monkeyhttps://twitter.com/SweetestRads
Jessica Slater from the Honorable House Pigeon >Holly stan and dedicated “sister” https://twitter.com/CupcakeValkyrie >Runs a clearly objective truth blog on tumblr while putting down Heidi on twitterhttps://jaredhollyheiditruth.tumblr.com
Participation Trophies go to the following for their dedication:>Denica >BorkScorpion, RainbowTressym, TigerNightmare, UnicornHoodlum and others>May or may not be sockpuppet accounts>Tier 3 WKs, to be mostly ignored>Autism awareness is sometimes being aware of who to avoid
>Holly Conrad/Commander Holly:https://www.instagram.com/commanderholly/https://twitter.com/HollyConradhttps://www.youtube.com/user/CommanderHolly
The Expanded Universe:
Previous GG Threads:**>Jon vs Dan speculations, are the Suzy nudes real or fake, blah blah blah, old news. Seriously, don't ask to be spoonfed this old dried up milk. Go read about it on your own. >There is a whole subreddit dedicated to GG Rule 34 where they sexualize the girlfriends/wives as well as the grumps called r/polygrumps. Suzy once long ago tweeted in support of polygrumps, but it seems like an especially toxic corner of their already toxic fanbase. I doubt she would confirm that support today.>GG sells a merch line called Game Gyaru "based on Arin and Danny, reimagined as female characters inspired by the anime series Dirty Pair, named Arina and Daniella respectively". It's a blatant tracing of the characters from "Dirty Pair" that they did not initially acknowledge.>GG release body pillows of Dan and Arin. They sell out very quickly. It's gross: >>792883>Guess what Jon's an even worse blatantly sexist/racist person than we ever could have imagined>Katie/Suzy/deviantART
Suzy "the Goose" Berhow:>Has a history of scamming fans by buying cheap jewelry from China and the likes and reselling it to fans with an absurd markup as her jewelry line or as one anon put it: "creating a really expensive jewelry line that involved very little effort on her part". Arin has to come to her defense when people find out.>Previous threads over the years were mostly about Suzy's "thyroid-related" weight gain and absurd styling choices, scamming, and how she's a ~rEaL gAmEr GuRl~ >No one seems to really have complaints about her current styling choices since she lost weight and the skunk stripe and adopted a more natural look (it's much closer to her twin sister Jean's)>Suzy was a "model" when younger, and will still constantly repost the same pictures from her past over and over again, in case anyone forgot>There sometimes seemed to be some unspoken tension between Suzy and Holly. Suzy seemed to give off the vibe of being uncomfortable not being the only cool gamer gurl in the GG group, especially when up against a girl that seemed to prefer and respect.>Seems plausible that she prefers being the female center of attention given the theory that JonTron's swift and dramatic departure from GG was due in part to some beef between Suzy and Jon's girlfriend at the time. IIRC this is still all just speculation. (Jon's too big of a topic, read that one on your own for the full backstory)>A/N: I would be kind of surprised if she showed any support for Holly at all, but maybe that's just me
Katie (Most recent GG drama unrelated to PigeonGate 2019 ):>Suzy claims she and Arin have been together since 2002. Arin's mysterious deviantART ex Katie shows up from an apparent cryogenic sleep after 10+ years and throws an insane hissy-fit about how Arin was pursuing HER during that time and she turned HIM down. >Thinks Suzy poisoned Arin against being her BEST FRIEND despite the fact that she was married, disappeared from the internet, lived across the country, and was definitely leading Arin on for some time. Arin seems to have bought her some gifts in this time.
>Minor cow Katie, rejected Arin way back when and regrets it now that he's famous:https://twitter.com/dropsofviolet
About Dice, Camera, Action:>DCA is/was a popular D&D livestream DM'd by Chris Perkins (WoTC story designer)>It's cast consisted of Holly Conrad, Jared Knabenbauer, Nathan Sharp and Anna Prosser >All of them turned out to be cheaters, hooking up with each other and breaking marriages/engagements
>Wafflecrew/Dice, Camera, Action:http://yt.vu/a1ZbgywIF6Yhttps://twitter.com/livewafflecrewhttps://twitter.com/NateWantsToBtlhttps://twitter.com/AnnaProsser
Filed Under “Other”:
Do Not Bother Ross O’Donovan>Game Grump and animator
You May Support and Subscribe at: >Ross O'Donovan/RubberNinja:https://twitter.com/RubberNinjahttps://www.youtube.com/user/RubberNinjahttps://www.instagram.com/rubberninja/
Reminder from Mods:>Subjects have to be 16+ to be discussed on lolcow. Do not include Holly's 15 year old friend’s face or social media posts here. >This is also a reminder that cowtipping is also against the rules, do not contact the girl or her parents because of her relation to Holly.>Keep whiteknight posting to when they actually spill milk.
Holly and Jared have been the prime focus of this thread for over a year with almost no grumps milk, and if the Grumps do produce in the future it probably won't be related to these two chucklefucks. I agree that it's past time for them to be separated. Either their own thread as a couple or a DnD cows thread to include people like Koebel etc that were also heavily discussed in the past thread.
Some anon has jumped the gun on like three threads in a row with no wait for discussion, and the recent summaries are full of nitpicking. Also "Ope" makes you sound like a midwestern mom OP
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I like his new trend of being annoyed by people sending him sexual messages… as if he didnt encourage this behavior for YEARS to the point of literally fucking fans.
But yeah, Jared, you are so sexualized and harrassed uwu
honestly this new trend feels like another form of manipulation. he's pretending to be annoyed and is doing it publicly so he can have something to lean on when he does find new fans to fuck and swap nudes with.
a normal person would just block and delete. this is him leaving a trail to protect himself going forward when he feels comfortable enough to go back to being a sexpest.
manipulative people like jared just love calling attention to things for seemingly no reason, just so they can control the narrative that follows. he's not doing this for stupid, unaware reasons.
i don't think this guy is a master manipulator or anything but he definitely knows how to make himself seem pitiable in order to get his way. heidi even pointed this out and it's why she still defends him when people call him a predator.
Also, if he didn't want to risk getting sexual/lewd messages, why the fuck would he answer a question about his underwear of choice? Dude did this to himself and is once again trying to be a victim
of circumstances out of his control. Get fucking real, PedoWorm. If I were more cynical, I'd think this was Hoelly or BlueJay sending him these so as to give him the chance to be the victim
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So sick of the "His whore exwife made up the false accusations to ruin his career"
Heidi didnt come forward about being a minor he sexted
Heidi didnt come forward about being a fangirl he fucked at a con
All Heidi did was tell her truth about her emotional abuse and experience with cheating
There is so much fake news about the situation, Jared is so fucking lucky about that
it's good to see how Jono phrased the ProJared stuff as how he got nudes from his fans, some of who were underage.
because even though he didn't actively seek out nudes from underage fans he still sought nudes from fans and got nudes from underaged fans who lied about their age. all of that IS true. people like to forget or intentionally obfuscate the controversy by saying Jared proved his innocence when the only thing he proved was that he got nudes from fans who lied about being of age.
ProJared is only innocent in the fact that he wasn't actively seeking child porn. he just accidentally acquired it and jerked off to it because teenagers lie and he didn't really care to think about the potential consequences of soliciting nudes from fans.
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a bit old, but i got a chuckle out of this. I know a lot of people dismiss jp's shady dealings as him being a business first and foremost, but it doesn't really match kobel's lefty soft boi persona to cross a picket line like that. also I've been curious what the fallout with steven was about, and I think this is the best explanation we're going to get
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I noticed this, too. Jared is liking tweets about people apologizing to him, and Holly is liking tweets just about cancel culture.
Neither acknowledges the elephant in the room, which makes it seem as if they have no intention of ever facing that reality.
I am glad that most people older than 20 who aren't incels can see beyond their manipulation tactics. I keep hoping it's just the vocal minority of angry trolls and young impressionable men who make it seem otherwise.
It still blows my mind that people like Anna and Holly use their positions/clout to essentially silence victims
just to insulate their abusive
social circles, only to turn around and act like they're against abuse.
In some ways, Anna is more disgusting than Holly. Tweeting at someone calling her out, then adding that this person is not responding, so "anyone reading this, keep in mind that my side is more nuanced than what she said."
All the OP wanted was Anna to acknowledge that she's failed in the past. No wonder she and Holly match so well — never take responsibility, only double down on being a victim
of "more to the story."
Which definitely explains Holly & Jared's behaviour right now, according to:>>997289
Holly probably thought her cosplay-superhero story would get everyone off her case, but tbh, all it did was remind me that she was a better person back than.
They want to be the only victims
in the room because it makes them feel special.
Considering Holly's internalized misogyny, my money's on no.
Then again, Anna isn't blonde (and therefore EVIL), so who knows!
Holly always reminds me of the quote "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".
If you're a good person who does good things for a bad cause, then the end result is still bad overall.
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Damn, the replies to this are fucking golden
>"In addition, if you tried to make amends doesn’t mean someone has to trust or forgive you.">"These are the repercussions of your actions
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If only Anna's former co-workers could actally learn
from their 'mistakes'…
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Glad other people are seeing the patterns here too.
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…Protecting someone from the consequences of their actions is doing a big disservice to them in the long run.
I think Holly is fucking delusional when it comes to Jared. She is so dickmatized that she doesnt see anything he did as wrong. that and she probably only knows about it from what he has explained to her, I doubt she saw the whole operation, especially in its prime. it's not like Jared was like "hey look at this hot fangirl I'm about to bang", I'm sure the way he put it to Holly was "yes I receive nudes but its only for body positivity uwu, besides, we are Striath, we are different"
Holly just seems too jealous to be totally on board with him sexting and fucking fans. Maybe I'm wrong because she obvs knew about it but if she loses her mind being jealous of Jared's literal wife I dont see her liking his fan fucking behavior
Then again she is still good buddies with Scarlet Moth who admitted to sexting and sending nudes to Jared, so who knows. Does seem funny that he has reached out and sent nudes to SO many of Heidi and Holly's friends. Must always be in the back of her mind when he interacts with other female creators/cosplayers. I hope it kills Holly inside knowing that Jared was talking to literally dozens of attractive women while she was sitting at home crying about his marriage every night
It's not just Jared she's delusional with, it's anyone she likes.
Adam Koebel's abuse was very easy for ANYONE to see, it happened on a livestream and was archived on YouTube.
She still wouldn't take him to task.
Her friends can do no wrong.
It's funny because in the end, Holly was a good human shield. She was loud and drew much of the attention away and seems to have been affected by the fall out a lot less over all. Though, I suppose she wasn't the one trading nudes with fans in the end. Wonder how long Jared will stick around with her now that the divorce is actually final.>>997581>I hope it kills Holly inside knowing that Jared was talking to literally dozens of attractive women while she was sitting at home crying about his marriage every night
Bu…but she won, anon! She overcame all those awful, abusive
, beautiful women who were just using him! Diath, I mean Jared, Is finally her's! What a prize! kek
iirc jenny nicholson pointed this exact thing out WAY back when jared released his bullshit "statement". i have no idea why it went ignored but perhaps that should be quote tweeted to every moron who can't stop screaming about how jared was only viewing CP by accident>>997288
this is so scummy it's borderline beautiful. i've said this before and i'll say it again: this whole """community""" of DnD performers who get their heads blown up and start considering themselves celebrities above minor inconveniences such as accountability, the whole ass community, is cancer and should be tossed out lol
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Looks like ProPedo's stans are already on the offensive - one created a countertumblr to TrashWitchCoven, attacking Heidi while trying to defend ProPedo and Hoelly.
I mean i dont like anna either but was she supposed to wear black and cover her head for seven years to mourn her ex husband? Shes still a self employed woman who needs to sell her merch..
On a side note, did her ex-husband started dating the ex-fiancee of the guy anna cheated with or i allucinated that? Not that it matters, just, what a fuckfest if its true lol
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I’ll just leave this here
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Also known to be pathetically thirsty before he finally bagged his current wife and is being accused by kaitlyn of abuse and grooming. He confirmed that he was boundary crossing, controlling, and used her as an emotional crutch but wrote off the parts about pressuring her via not letting her bf come around and 'grooming' her. Kaitlyn's own behavior is it's own post, just wanted to cover the JP info.>>997719
He's trying to retroactively justify his sex pest actions by normalizing sexual content in his feed now despite the fact that his primary outward facing persona was always much more family friendly.
Holly's gotta make sure Jared knows his place at all times, huh?
Ding ding ding
I thought about posting about them here yesterday but I think we should all agree to just ignore them. They even made a long dramatic post about how soon they would get attention and that they were so scared of lolcow finding them. All I'm favor of never giving them the attention they so desperately want?
Also, that username… yikes. "I'm all for Jared fucking fans because body positivity but women are whores and what do whores use? Only fans!" Clearly that dude needs to grow up and stop posting lolcow screenshots
Genuinely confused about what he's complaining about. He's mad Dr Disrespect has stans? That people are commenting and trying to figure out what happened? That some other youtubers are supporting him or even just talking about it?
I know that he's just a miserable person who constantly complains, but what even is he trying to say?
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>"clout chasers leeching in the replies"
You mean like this
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Ah, the "Etika's suicide is just like the clown emojis I'm getting." saga.
So long ago now.
Considering she's being welcome back to the D&D with the #dndblockparty that's being organized by a lot of people officially involved with the D&D brand, she's still got clout to go around sadly.
Everyone on that side forgave her instantly.
In terms of non-Critical Role D&D streams, 150 is a lot.
Shit like "D&D Communitea" and "DMsGuild Design Dash" are lucky if they get fifty.
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Nah 150 is still shit. Look at the Highrollers stream right now on the yogscast they have 6K+ right now. There are a lot of dnd streams with thousands of viewers
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Regardless of all the other shit Holly and Jared did, I hate how they hurt Ross. I still see comments like this and it's so gross that people rub it in his face that Holly left him for Jared. Leave the guy alone!
Wait, were Jared and Holly making fun of Ross? What the hell? >>997879
The worst part is that Holly and all of their central group of stans are probably actually victims
of Jared, too.
They're all nice people who are being manipulated by their compassion. Holly is someone with a clear savior complex who seems to feel emotions way too much sometimes.
Doesn't change the fact that they're also hurting other people by trying to silence any conversation about Jared's behavior in the past.
>>998125> Wait, were Jared and Holly making fun of Ross? What the hell?
Probably a mix of 1.) fear that him being vested in drama might mean him being comfortable with getting into drama himself and possibly speaking up and 2.) wanting to subtly undermine him in case he does come forward he'll already be a little discredited.
not saying that ross is into drama, but i think if holly and jared were smart they would fear him a bit since he can easily debunk their whole web of lies, and they tend to react to people they can't control very poorly and illogically.
Well thank god Ross upgraded to a well adjusted high value woman that treats him well and with respect instead of some embarrassing pick me.
It'd be a shame if he actually took that jab to heart.
Pretty ironic that the guy who had all the financial power in his last relationship and used it to manipulate his partner is now in the opposite position.
I hope he enjoys Holly holding him hostage by the purse strings AND all the dirt she'll screech across the internet if he ever tries to leave.
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But he still openly associates with the equally toxic
/talentless storytime animators.
Ross is a great guy and talented animator, it's a shame he spent months on his latest cartoon could barely get 300k views but STAs can shit out their "animations" almost constantly (mind you Jaiden/James hire animators now, so it's not even their work!) and break well over a million views easily.
How come JaidenAnimations is considered toxic
? I don't mean to defend her just curious to what happened.
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>>998285>But he still openly associates with […] talentless storytime animators>he spent months on his latest cartoon could barely get 300k views but STAs can shit out their "animations" almost constantly (mind you Jaiden/James hire animators now, so it's not even their work!)
So the guy who busts his ass to make his art high quality is also the one who enjoys the company of the ones who laze around and put no effort in. and you're mad because…? If he wants to hang out with people who don't try as hard as him, who gives a shit.
I'm interested in those toxicity receipts though. Assuming you're not pic related, that is.
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>>998263>No wonder Jared seems so dead inside kek
Good thing Holly saved him from that sooper dooper abusive
relationship! Look at how much he's thriving by her side! wow.
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The place has a basement, that wasn't shown off in the tour.
Entirely possible Holly just wasn't using it, and Jared set up down there.
Where he belongs, with the rats.
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What the fuck is wrong with Geraldo
also nonbinary woman is the perfect label for those cis chicks who didnt enjoy playing with dolls and hate pink and in their minds this means they have gender dysphoria lmao.
why am i not suprised she was already a she/they
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Jesus, Jared is more of a pussy than the fucking cat is.
Gasp, Aries abused Jared too!
I'm honestly just really glad jared didnt try to keep Aries. I know he was Heidi's cat before she ever got with Jared but I wouldn't put it past him to claim that Heidi was too unstable to take care of him
I stg if i had a "fan" like this I'd be investing in a handy dandy restraining order
She does this on both Jared's and Holly's crap, it would be borderline psychotic if it weren't so pathetic lol
Inb4 Jared gets all "I never like that furball anyway!" & attempts a photo-op with Mojo.
Speaking of, I wonder how Holly's cat & birds respond to his presence, if they actually do
Yep. One of his biggest arguments to their unreliability as "victims
" was that they were creating lots of GG fan content, along with commissions. He considered it a sign of them being mentally unwell and thus couldn't be trusted.
I don't think saying "this is beautiful" about a fanart image of oneself is queerbaiting simply because it includes his "persona" or himself kissing a fictional male character. Jared isn't pretending to be sexually attracted to anyone who presents as male or another gender identity.
I hate Jared as much as the next person, but unless there is evidence that isn't complimenting fanart for fan points, I don't think queerbaiting is something that is applicable to him.
1) he's a real person and therefore cannot "queerbait" anyone into believing he can decide on a whim to bang dudes for representation
2) he could be bi/pan. In my heart od hearts i want to believe the rumor of him coming too son in a threesome with two other guys lol
Yeah ofc they can, but queerbait what? That in the season finale of the projared show he's going to make out with austin cograve aka pbgamer?
He's a real person, not fiction
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More of the annoying bad brain day dialect… please I'm begging them just speak normally and not all uwu
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Apparently bad brain days mean searching your own name
Andnot because of thoughts of self-harm or suicide….
But because she needed to hide from the mean internet.
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Oh, fuck off, Hoelly. You belonged just fine until you defended your sex pets of a boy toy that may or may not be a pedo. Not surprised to see her #1 stan right there, ready with the asspats
You guys know the Hi Namesearcher account is just a meme and doesn't magically know when people search their name on twitter right? It's just a bot that picks a name at random from their list and inserts it into one of their prewritten tweets. If you look back at its timestamps you can see it tweets at the same times every day, like most bots.
There's no way to find out what other users search on twitter. People get outed as namesearchers (or searching some other phrase) based on interacting with tweets they likely wouldn't have seen otherwise, or other incriminating behavior.
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In Holly's likes
She really does have a hard on for people rightfully getting cancelled, huh? Not at all surprised that she feels bad for Shane, tbh I'm just surprised she hasnt openly come out in support of him since she loves trash men with pedophilic tendencies
It's funny because TRS latched onto Holly HARD specifically because of his own hang-ups with cancel culture.
In other words, one of the targets of his shitty drama channel masquerading as a mental health channel clapped back at him and he couldn't handle the backlash.
Really? Hadeel is IN the inner circle, she's in the Friday Ravenloft game on the official WOTC channel, which is produced by the D&D social media manager. She's about as "in" with the community as one can get without being officially involved in game or adventure design.
Freakin' drama queens…
Honestly I think Holly just sees the word "cancelled" and stops there, I dont think she reads into anything besides the fact that she found a fellow victim
Still so funny that she tries to make herself out to be the big "cancelled victim
" of the drama when Jared AND Heidi had it wayyyyyyy worse than she did. Yeah she got lots of shit but it was nothing compared to what the other two got and still get. I bet it annoys jared hearing her whine about it
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Didnt she say she wasnt Asexual like she thought she was because Jared awoken feelings that she, an adult married woman, had never felt before?
actually the demi flag not the asexual flag>>999576
please give up holly, you make this scene worse
that's the thing, i don't think she's lying on anything she's saying, she wholeheartedly believes all of this shit, when you spend so much time on the internet you start to.
Oh, sometimes i think women are kind of hot? must be bi.
The honeymoon phase passed VERY quickly with my ex and i had no intention of having sex with him, and in the midst of this boredome rpg-sex with my male married friend made me wet? well, i'm falling in love with my friend so i must be demi.
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Who do you think Jared was thinking of when he liked this tweet?
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The whole thread explains quite a lot, tbh.
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Jared seems to sexually identify as polyamorous. "I didnt cheat on my wife, but I did tell her that I refused to close our relationship because I decided that my identity is being polyamorous"
Like someone said last thread, Jared's biggest advantage is all the fake news about how their poly relationship worked. His fans think that she opened it just to bang a bunch of black dudes but didn't want him doing the same thing. In reality she gave it a shot and decided it wasnt for her, she shouldn't be antagonized for changing her mind. People are allowed to revoke consent
Also like Heidi said he didnt ask for a divorce until months after she wanted to close the relationship. He didnt say "if we can not have an open relationship then I will have to end this because that is what I want" instead he lied to her for months about having agreed to closing it and guilted her for requesting him do so while he had multiple physical affairs and a serious emotional one
Also I'm sorry but with how much of a jealous pick me Holly is there is NO WAY that she will be okay with polyamory. I know that the "anonymous source" scarlet moth told the petition owner months ago that Holly and Ross had an open relationship (they also said that that their marriage was abusive
for HOLLY, think about that) but there is no fucking way. She claims to be demisexual yet is in a relationship with a sex addict who identifies sexually as polyamorous. I'm sure their relationship will end sooooo great
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There it is; the reason she went public with all of this.
You called someone an asshole for giving a legitimate criticism, albeit in a shitty way. So yes, that equates to "Heidi is beyond criticism".
She could have made this take without implying that people who identify as "poly" are in the wrong.
Deleted the post b/c it's just some rando attempting to argue semantics with Heidi.
Have you seen anyone say that criticisms of those people are unwarranted here? No? Then you know I agree with that.
But nice whataboutism, trying to avoid admitting it was a bad take, I see. You know, that whole "beyond criticism" thing I mentioned before, it really seems like you're trying to justify that.
>Ross was in therapy and super depressed for MONTHS after the divorce
I saw many Jared+Holly stans telling people that Ross "seemed happy after the divorce", & then I remember exactly this
& I fucking see red, because they're trying to rewrite & sugarcoat everything for those less familiar.
They really weaponized his "leave me out of this".
Also, it's Hored not Jolly.
I still think there was some truth to the insinuation they were an open couple and he would fuck around, esp if she was using the excuse of being asexual to never have sex w him.
Then again it would be an heidi situation, poly doesnt mean "i do the fuck i want and you have to be ok w it" and holly still breached his trust by dumping his ass for a turd with googly eyes glued on top lol
Yeah but in the texts between Holly and Heidi she literally told Heidi that Ross was okay with her hooking up with women but not men, and that was AFTER her and Jared's infamous walk and she called Heidi abusive
for revoking consent
Especially because it wasnt "I'll tell him" it was "I'll tell him after we are all at our mutual friends party next week" I feel like she just wanted more time to sext rp with Jared before Ross potentially cut it out
Maybe Holly told Moth that Ross was abusive
for the same reasons Heidi was; he said no
Also does anyone know the date of those messages/the walk/when shit went down? I wonder if the DCA episode following it was awkward or weird between those two. Also when are we gonna get a DCA Hored cringe compilation lmao
Obviously tinfoil, but here's a theory about how the events might fit together:
- Holly and Jared confess their feelings Feb 2018 during their "walk"
- according to Heidi's stream, Holly and Jared immediately begin explicitly sexting before Ross is even aware that Holly wants to be poly
- Heidi gets mad, revokes consent for this reason
- Holly calls Heidi abusive
for getting mad and raising her voice. Jared is pissed by this accusation and tells Heidi
- Holly slithers in with the "I thought you would hate me because you're sooo nice and pretty" apology. Holly promises to tell Ross what's going on, after an upcoming party
- Instead of saying, "I love Jared but not you" to Ross, she instead tells him that Jared is being abused by Heidi and she's soooooo worried and they need to get involved
- Ross is then manipulated into visiting and supporting Jared because he thinks this is an abuse issue and not just them setting him up to be chucked. Allegedly tells Jared about Holly's history of abusing him but "it's better now" so he just wants to support a friend who is supposedly going through the same experience
- Jared, having how heard from two "concerned friends", tells Heidi that Ross is on his side and that they are all just concerned about her abusing him
- Heidi begins feeling confused and isolated as Holy successfully triangulates the issue and begins adding more minions to the "save Jared from Heidi" campaign.
Most of this info was given in Heidi's tell-all stream, but the real tinfoil is Ross' missing perspective. This is just an idea about what might have happened to justify Ross supposedly "supporting and visiting Jared" early in the drama, but later completely withdrawing and supporting no other players.
This timeline is innacurate.
>- according to Heidi's stream, Holly and Jared immediately begin explicitly sexting before Ross is even aware that Holly wants to be poly>- Heidi gets mad, revokes consent for this reason
Heidi revoked consent the day after the walk and said it was related to them not answering their phones that night. It had nothing to do with Ross being informed from what Heidi said in the text that day telling Jared he wasn't allowed to go after Holly.
Disagres, watch Heidi's stream again>>1001089
Yes, and she mentioned in the stream that the costume sexting happened between the walk and before Ross was informed, which was the final straw (or maybe one of them)
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This is what she talked about the next day, and all of their stories line up saying that she asked to end the poly arrangement that day.
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>"your twisted false memories"
Well, that's a new one.
The messages in this screenshot actually line up with Holly's accusations of abuse, according to the video at 46:00. The abuse accusation was a direct result of the convo where Heidi revoked consent and yelled at Holly (38:10). All these events happened back to back so it's easy to confuse the order.
Explanation of the walk starts at 37:00. She goes on to mention that they didn't even know if Holly and Ross had an open marriage until that point.
48:30 she starts mentioning Holly's marriage
"Another disclaimer – I have no idea what his experience was like, I can't speak for him… all I know was that I watched Holly taking advantage of a situation that had not been cleared with all parties"
51:00 "I said no before he had an opportunity to say yes"
51:37 - she mentions the reason she yelled at them was because they were explicitly talking about banging in costume before Holly had a convo with Ross about opening their marriage. "If you'll do it to another person in this situation then you'll do it to me. And that is the point where I pulled the plug"
55:15 "so it's actually this day that she accused me of abuse"
It's a complex situation to explain and she gets ahead of herself at points and has to clarify or go back in the explanation timeline. Just watch it though.
Shes also the "anon" source that went to the petition owner last summer before Jared's video came out. She claimed to be a former twitch mod of his who had sent nudes and sexted him before despite being asexual and said that Holly's claims of Heidi's abuse were accurate, that Ross had know about and supported Hared, and that Holly and Ross's marriage was abusive
for Holly at times. She shared personal texts between herself and Holly with the petition owner to post but Holly reached out to him herself to ask him not to share them
funny, considering Ross doesn't follow Moth (or unfollowed her?) I have no doubt Holly told Moth all that though, considering she thinks everybody who doesn't asspat her blindly is abusive
She's also another abuser enabler like Holly, she basically cancelled her RPG game when she announced delays due to "technical difficulties" that turned out to be one player quitting because another player had let an abuser go scot-free elsewhere.
Birds of a feather.
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Context: Recently, many 'top players' in the competitive gaming scene were accused & confirmed to have been grooming and/or having sex with underage fans/players
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…And I'm glad someone actually pointed out how familiar these recent incidents are with this whole thing.
With how things are going today, Heidi probably didn't even need to say anything in hindsight.
Although she'd probably snap from Jared's stans begging
her to defend him despite being divorced from him.
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This person voices a similar concern:
>"I'll never forgive gamer fandoms for having no moral backbone"
It's also a good reminder that 'mob mentality' works both ways.
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Louder for the people in the back!
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>>1001579>Jared is just lucky that his scandal was at a time where no other influencers were facing those consequences
If/when that that happens, all Heidi needs to say is "Oh, now
you want me to speak up?"
& literally nothing else.
Assuming it was about Ben? the editor making sexual jokes about Jacob Sartorious or whatever and implying he had his nudes
Jacob being a minor
He bounces off of arin well, but for sure his appeal is the "big brother" vibe, reassuring and sweet. You often forget he's a 40 y/o, he really sounds and acts like a goofy dude pushing 30.
I dont particularly like his singing either, he may have perfect pitch but when he hits those notes he becomes so nasaly i cant stand it.
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Holly “Be kind and positive!” Cumrag, everyone
Did he go into hiding because of pressure from outsiders? I feel like a lot of people take that as some kind of admission of guilt, even though to my mind it obviously isn't.
Also, did he ever contact anyone else who was affected by Jared besides Charlie? If so, do they have any plans to come forward with more information in the future?
I hate that Jared used your brother as a scapegoat to make his case. I'd love to see him get some justice, but I don't know how to support him.
So on top of not having proof of being his brother, you dont have proof he actually swapped nudes with jared after disclosing he was underage?
Tbh the most unbelievable part of chai swapping nudes is that he looks not at all like what jared likes lol. No offence but he looks like a chubby little boy and so far theres no indication that was what jared's into. That's the major reason why i do believe that if chai wasnt straight up lying, was either exaggerating or delusional.
I'm not the brother. I'm someone asking the brother questions. Sorry if that was confusing. I have no idea if his brother has any info about the nudes, that's why I was curious.
And I don't think we can tell based on how the person looks. Heidi and Holly are two very different people, for example. It could also have been a power dynamic thing more than just a desire for nudes of a specific type.
Remember, Jared seems to have a fetish for vulnerability.
A disabled kid with self-esteem/body-image issues would seem like a perfect target for someone like him.
Exactly this. It's about power, not attraction.
Reminds me of Shane Dawson constantly making edgy remarks and asking fans to twerk for him etc. It's not realistic that he's individually whacking it to every single person. It's about the power he feels that he can make them do something embarrassing.
Where do you get the "fetish" for vulnerability? From the reliable proof we have he surely likes to be the one in control and be adored, so he bangs fans, but none of the girls that spoke up and released infos said anything about him specifically singling them out because they were in a frail state of mind.
I don't like Jared, he abused his power and i am 100% sure he'd do it again if it wasnt for the scandal, but so far he doesnt look like a full on predator.
Dan, on the other hand……. That i could believe
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OT, but relevant
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Thanks for reminding me of this savage burn.
True, youre right.
Still dont believe chai was telling the truth, with the amount of underage fans the guy had i find it weird that only a couple (not even girls) came forward with no substantial proof.
Didnt one claim to maybe have misremembered and ooops my bad guys?
Chai and Charlie are trans/NB so physically they were female when they submitted the stuff.
There was also the account on Reddit but that's the one I actually doubt.
Yeah but anon, gaslighting isn't aboose if Holly or her whiteknights do it! The only aboose comes from Heidi and her scary yells after being gaslighted
>"FUCK JARED" until he reached out to them and then magically it was "He's misunderstood, you guys"
You can not
convince me that Jared simply 'reaching out' caused that one to flip so quickly.
No, not Unogirl.
There was another account, ProJBurnerAccount, that claimed to be underage and that Jared knew that fact.
That one is a less believable than other accounts because of how many perversr revelations Jared supposedly told them compared to anything anyone else came forward with.
It's the source of the "standing naked in front of his window" and "prematurely ejaculated during a threesome with two men" claims.
Didn't they just post & dip though?
I don't remember seeing anything else from them afterwards.
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Never forget that Holly admitted that she only started saying Heidi was abusive
after Heidi yelled at her on the phone for fucking PedoWorm. Heidi was abusive
for being angry, but Hoelly was just the poor mistreated saint.
Yup, they posted and claimed all this stuff and then never again. Even their receipts were dubious.
At least Charlie had some screenshots even if they did lie about their age.
Point is he shouldn’t have been asking for nudes from fans of any age which would have stopped him from receiving underage ones.
It’s especially gross that he used the body positivity guise to weed out the fans he thought were attractive so he could message them further for sexting/con meet ups vs telling the “ugly” fans good job and then ghosting them.
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Jeez, tell me something I didn't
already know, Heidi!
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There's been a lot of controversy going around involving popular Youtubers/Gamers/etc predating on their fans and/or abusing people lately.
I think that people should take a second look at this whole situation & what Jared has done to improve himself one year later (besides insisting that he's the victim
"I bought you a car, Heidi. You can't be upset with me. It's like a rule or something."
For fricks sake, you buy shit for the ones you care for out of the goodness of your heart, not to use to prove some point when you fuck up. I feel like 95% of his fans have never been in a stable and loving relationship if they think this is a good excuse to not be mad.
ben is an adult man in his 20s or 30s who sent harassing messages to a kid to send nudes. and then his gut reaction when people found out about it was to get mad and block people pointing it out instead of reflecting on it and being like "yeah okay i can see why that wasn't the best move."
joke or not, the whole thing is fucking weird. i'm past the point of giving randos the benefit of a doubt. there are better editors out there that also don't send creepy messages to minors for "fun." i'm failing to see how telling a kid to share nudes is humorous but then again i'd be hard-pressed to find a time in which i could consider anything ben has done as "funny."
It’s clear to me that it was meant as a joke, since it was tweeted publicly, and repeatedly. It’s certainly not appropriate and isn’t funny, but it was meant as a joke, and the intent is what really matters in this situation.
That said, the more important issue in my mind is what it says about everyone involved. Why does Ben think it’s okay to joke like that? Why does Arin think it’s okay to keep him on as editor?
I think people trying to cancel GG over this are ridiculous, but in my opinion Arin should fire Ben. It’s really not a good look at this point. Like you said, there are many people who could edit, and Ben isn’t even that good.
I’m sure Arin doesn’t want to cave to pressure, but at this point he really should for the sake of his brand. Even if the controversy is unnecessary, it’s bad for business.
I just don’t understand. GG is a Company. Ben is not their friend. Just send him on his way.
huh, maybe it's because i LOATHED supermega's style of editing and all of their fuckups, but i really enjoy ben's, it's non intrusive and most of the time a fun easter egg to find (well, ok, mostly it's dick jokes but you know, GG aint high art).
The true king was og Barry, hope he's doing ok.
>> I just don’t understand. GG is a Company. Ben is not their friend. Just send him on his way.
it's the same reason why it was Arin apologizing for GG, instead of the corporate GG account: GG's appeal is the "two big brothers playing games with you", right, sure they scream and cuss a lot but they're also "sweet" and positive and they are the bestest friends! Everyone at GG is a friend! I bet that if GG were to fire Ben, people would make it an absolute nightmare for Arin and maybe giving a second chance to an edgelord is better than the headache that would entile
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I think arin is a bit soft-hearted and felt like it would be unkind to fire someone whose mom just died. I don't agree with that decision but it sounds like Arin. It's only a matter of time before other creepy stuff Ben has done/said comes to light and he gets let go. Like he posted creepy tweets to/about a minor for 4 years! That means he started when jacob was 13. Who in their right mind thinks that's ok? And funny at that? At best he just looks like he is weirdly obsessed with a teenage boy. There has to be other edgelord attempts at humor floating around.
Amazing that a guy with "penis" in his twitter handle is a dick lol
Damn what an edgelord. Who is this jacob sartorius guy? Why does he keep trolling him?
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>"When you give someone the power to do what they've always wanted to do, then you see exactly what they've always wanted to do."
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Friendly reminder that people really should re-think the whole "Projared is innocent!" thing…
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I'd like to say that the only people who support/believe Jared are completely uneducated on what actually happened and only picked up bits and pieces from the memes, but unfortunately plenty of his fans know everything and just dont care
Also, did anyone else see Holly's new insta post? Thoughts?
"I'm the victim
! Poor me! Mean comics were drawn about me which is worse than abuse and gaslighting. Also don't forget that I had to see clown emojis. I am always the real victim
, poor me."
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Best reply I've seen to that post so far
I also love that she mentions the people on the internet who claim to be "kind and tolerant" when that is literally her entire schtick - "#BeKind unless I want to fuck your husband and then you're an abusive
, mentally ill, unfixable cunt"
I hate that women are judged by their appearance, not their content, but that is the way of society and media, Holly. You chose a career that involves being visible, and yeah, people are going to evaluate you based on your appearance. >>1003582
Definitely the best response. Holly can look like a sack of potatoes or a supermodel; it's her actions that make her disgusting.
After, of course
"Oh, you felt ugly after your husband left you for me and made you feel like shit for a year+? Well what about ME"
Imagine being with someone this fucking negative. I'm beginning to think she's an emotional vampire. >>1003646
That's some passive aggressive skill right there. Holly is a one upper. Comes with the "pick me" types.
You know it just kills her inside that a vast majority of people agreed that Heidi was way more attractive and Jared was downgrading.
She does have a haggard face but her attitude has made her look 100 times more hideous. Even she is far too physically attractive to be with Jared though. He looks like a fucking monster. They are probably close to equals on the personality spectrum though.
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Holly back on that “I’m so sad, look how depressed I am guys” train
I find it weird that she seems to be saying she was confident with a great self-image until the drama. She's always seemed somewhat insecure (almost everyone is, it's not a bad thing), especially with her upset around the 'prettier' femshep and intentionally choosing to play and portray herself as conventionally ugly characters - e.g. trash witch. It just feels wrong that she's writing this post about her insecurities and essentially saying 'This whole issue has made me hate how I look' as if she didn't have issues with her appearance in the first place.
Maybe I'm being overly critical or reading it wrong but it just feels disingenuous to me. If she'd said that it had made her feel worse, I'd understand wholeheartedly, but to imply it only stems from the drama feels like yet another attempt to make people feel bad for disliking her.
lmao we knew she'd blame Heidi for any of Jared's current issues, but now it's even funnier that she's pinning the blame for HER personal problems as well.
She's been facetuning the shit out of her eye and cheek bags even before she targeted Heidi. Compared to the pics where she smooths out almost everything, she looks like a completely different person.
Tbh I dont doubt she was insecure because I mean look at her. If you watch any of her streams she is always hunched over and nervously chewing on her hands. Plus she was doing DnD shows with very classically gorgeous women like Anna or Erika Ishi
I'm sure she has always been insecure- or atleast since her Ross divorce- but the one thing that kept her going was knowing that Jared picked HER, but now that everyone knows about her fuckery and roasts her it became a lot worse
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Hey Unsolved Mysteries, I've got an idea for your next season!
It's the mystery of how this bitch still has any clout.
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How does he not get that he's Amber Heard in this situation?
The guy wishes
he was Jonny Depp.
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Now they can be together lol
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I hope the folks in the replies also see that he was (predictably) one of the ones who flipped after watching Jared's video.
Must've hit too close to home I guess…
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…And not without taking a swipe at Chai, no less.
Incel MRAs always love this case cause they can rage out at Amber Heard as much as they want to at real victims
and use her as a scapegoat for why other women are lying. He's pandering to his fanbase well. It's been over a year now, so these incels aren't just Jared's new demographic but his demographic. >>1003916
The thing that always gets me about anyone who reacted positively to Jared's video or anything he and Holly have said about the nudes situation since is that it's boggling there are all these grown adults who think the response of a gown man upon finding out that he's accidentally been sexually involved with minors should be anything but to examine how that happened. He needed to apologize for taking advantage of his fans, and talk about ways to change his behavior that he could be held accountable to follow through on. Instead people want to accept the scraps of "lol yeah i got off to the nudes but they said they were 18 checkmate I beat cancel culture."
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A good thread:https://twitter.com/CrimsonReviewer/status/1280719084766801920
>"…Saying “Don’t pick on Heidi” then “It’s all her fault.” He was manipulative and disgusting.
Yeah, pretty much.
Why do all well known youtube predators have that weird "I'm a goldfish with bulbous eyeballs pointing in two directions and dead inside" look?
An anon in another thread pointed out Shane's eyes looking like Onision and now I can't stop noticing it.
Man, it's almost like ending the relationship and not soliciting your fanbase for nudes and not trying to paint the spouse as an abusive
harpy and doing things like a goddamn adult when you're in your 30s means you can avoid a WOTC blacklist and career-ending drama.
She probably would have said no, too. Jared looks like an eldritch horror.>>1004009
Kek, pretty much this.
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Sage for no milk.
Someone is spamming this at Jared and I am screaming.
Lmao at the anon on /ot/ currently exchanging nudes with this bird looking ass dude.>>1004268
Exactly what Jared wants.
"Nothing more to see here! Nope! Nothing to reconsider!"
Just checked, if it's true then that's fucking hilarious!
He sure is a 'changed man'! lmao
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How has no one posted this yet?
I didn't realize GeraldoGuacamole was MtF.
Holly looks like she smeared clay all over her face.
>>1003481>Ben's editing is non intrusive
His thumbnails were so bad GG had to apologize for them bc the reddit was so pissed about how clickbaity they were and so weird you couldn't even tell what series they were. And this wasn't a GG decision since Matt and Ryan confirmed the editors make the thumbnails
tbh he seems like a tryhard edgy guy who thought working with GG would get him a pass on anything. His editing is non intrusive bc he has nothing to contribute humor wise
Thanks, I hate it!
Is anyone else bothered by the fact that being their hardcore stans has earned them double dating privileges? He says he understands why his nude blog was wrong because of the power advantage then turns around and becomes BFFs with his two biggest defenders who literally still tweet at Heidi whenever she mentions her trauma
Is this the most PDA we have ever seen out of Hored?
"Come on fans! Tell me we look cute together!!!"
Jared looks so tired & defeated lmao, you just know
she's wearing the pants in this relationship!
And just as I predicted, it's all her
Jared just sits there & takes it, which is not at all
what he hated about his previous relationship! /s
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Gotta get those clicks elsewhere I guess…
Jared looks completely dead inside. I'm sure it crosses his mind often that just a few short years ago he had a hot cosplay wife and was able to exchanges nudes and fuck younger women. Now he is stuck with a crazy person who probably constantly asks him for validation and reassurance. And he can't leave her because his career is dead and he can't afford to live in Seattle without her.
Truly what he deserves.
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Also lmao at the thirsty fan in the replies
I just checked the instagram post with this same photo. He fucking tags the clothing brands and labels it as #mensfashion. Does he seriously think this is a good look?>>1004979
Which thread is it in?
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Gotta love how his fans keep bringing it up
kek, underrated comment
Absolutely their skin btw, they are aging terribly.
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Look at SadOldMasturbation making the Holly-face!
Speaking of…(see pic)
That's not very 'Kind' of you bud, you should listen to your wife's words:>>992107
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Nvm I found it. Of course
it's from GeraldoGuacamole's Instagram…
Well, she is
a lot easier on the eyes compared to Granny-Conrad.
I can just smell
He can also limit the comments there, whereas on twitter, you really can't stop people from point out your….short comings (short of blocking them, but if you do that, how will you play the victim
I don't think the person on the left is GG. You can find pictures of her that she's posted on her twitter and she looks nothing like that person.
Also man, Jared does not look healthy… It looks like the life force is literally being sucked out of him.
Has he ever genuinely smiled before? I feel like I've never seen that. It's always either a smirk, an angry face, or a goofy picture. I don't think I've ever seen any of his expressions reach his eyes.
I don't think he has since all of this blew up last year. It seems like he barely smiles since he's been with Hoelly and Hoelly has been looking like she's one pearl clutch away from being on her deathbed. But misery loves company and they both deserve to be miserable together after the shit they did.
But they do snort pigeon and bird poop left on their bed on the daily so it could be that too.
Yeah, Holly comes off as very handsy, & Jared often looks uncomfortable.
I'm starting to understand the whole 'boundary issues' thing now…
But it's okay for a woman
to completely disregard a man's
personal space after all! /s
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And then there's here the anon said it was still ongoing for those who didn't see it in the other thread.
As much as I want to believe this there is no proof, not even blurred out messages or anything
I love the idea of him still doing this while he is living in Holly's home, talk about Karma
I mean Holly knew more about the nudes/fan fucking then Heidi did. Heidi even said in her tell-all video that when she found Jared's old phone and all him and Holly's messages that they had discussed it at length
It's so weird to me… clearly shes insanely jealous, but only of Heidi and not all the hot egirls?
it's fair to be skeptical, but i could understand why she wouldn't post blurred out messages if it were true. op seems to want to keep it going and holly obviously lurks here and would cry to jared about it until they cross references the screen shots and texts and outed op
again not saying it's true just possible.>>1005208
i think the dnd fame and fantasy made up for her looks. iirc quite a few of the girls who admitted to sexting him were pretty cute.>>1004989
i wonder if jared thinks of these people as friends at all or if holly initiates all this shit and he just goes along. i know he abuses his fame for nudes from fans, but i can't imagine it's nearly as fun to hang out with creepy super fans he's not looking to fuck. they spend so much time harassing heidi on twitter, I wonder if that's what they talk about to him when they hang out.
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>"Even Jon Ronson who wrote the book on it is removing himself from the mess that anti cancel culture has become. Considering she tried to drag the poor guy into her mess I can’t imagine her being too happy about his recent tweets."
it seems like he doesn't even know how to dress himself without heidi.
heidi mentioned that gifts were a love language for her and because of that she took a lot of clothes she gifted him back and sold them on her store shortly after the separation. they were nice pieces. a bit hipster-y but subdued. stuff an actual adult wouldn't mind wearing. now he looks like a slobby child.
>Jon Ronson who wrote the book on it is removing himself from the mess that anti cancel culture
If you're talking about 'so you've been publicly shamed' it's not really anti cancel culture. Hell, I seem to remember a part where he exposes some guy who was stupid enough to talk to him after he digs up some dirt.
What I got from the book was 'never talk to cops OR journalists'.
Honestly Holly was pretty cute before she Strixed herself. The black hair and witchy aesthetic combined with how much the drama aged her has made her look pretty terrible
Look at pictures of her with her colored hair during Heroes of Cosplay/Game Grumps, she certainly isnt gorgeous but she had a cute pixie girl thing going for sure
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You hit the nail on the head there.
I'm the op from the confessions thread.
I thought I'd only get the obligatory love yourself girl reply.
I honestly didn't think it was that big a deal since I've said it's all consensual.
I'll probably keep sending nudes until I find someone but for now its just a little fun.
Plus I don't want to be harassed by Holly's demented fans
He's taking fashion tips from fellow unrepentant sex pest and fashion victim
Hey nudeanon! Just curious, when did it all start? Were you already exchanging nudes with him before the divorce drama last year, or did that clue you in that he was willing?
I'm wondering if he ever took a break or if it's been pretty much continuous.
Honestly, I cannot speak for anyone else here, but texts with the date should be enough. You could censor your name
I want to know if Jared is actually changing his behavior.
>I don't want to be harassed by Holly's demented fans
I was going to type "You're anonymous, they can't touch you" but then I remembered that Holly doesn't give a shit about boundaries & probably grabs Jared's phone whenever she can…
Even though it would probably be better for Holly - the sooner she finds out Jared is just using her, the better.
>>1005237>Holly doesn't give a shit about boundaries & probably grabs Jared's phone whenever she can…
If that's the case there's no way she doesn't already know about what he and anon are up to.
It would go a long way to even post a screencap showing that you've talked to him at all. Leave out dates/times and your username and show that there has been an interaction, at least. Otherwise this really just sounds like you're trying to troll.
Started before the shit storm.
It was a gradual thing really just chatting then getting flirtier as time went on.
I'll be honest I took the lead and was quite flirty but it wasn't like straight up nudes after just saying hello.
I'm not sure if Hoelly knows and I don't know how many others there are so I'm not outing myself to the wolves.
I'll say this though I don't think he's really getting much at all from his hag I think things may be really boring in the bedroom.
Also I type like this because I'm on a phone with a tiny screen and I'm not wearing my contacts.
So apologies because some asshat was complaining in the confessions thread.
Is this why he's in his best dressed noodle suit asking for people to join his instagram? It's his send nudes smuggle box.
Why ruin this soy milk? We know he's a sex addict so if she's trolling us who cares? Not like he isn't already ruined and likely to still be sharing nudes anyways. >>1005243
What makes you say things are boring in the bedroom?
I've dealt with poly couples that want a third and most of the time they're OK knowing about flirting and sex sessions but they don't want threesomes. That's just from the people I've dealt with.
You'd be surprised the majority of poly relationships that get dull very fast.
Judging from some of things that have been said between us he seems very keen to try and find girls that will be experimental.
Sex pests tend to go in great detail if they've had threesomes and like to compare notes.
I think he has banged a few fans but hasn't had luck finding people to do a group session.
Has he ever talked to you about Heidi and Holly?
Do you know if he actually moved in with Hoelly?
No he never bad mouthed Heidi to me that might be one of the few redeeming traits.>>1005262
Nope I don't go for couples it was an experiment to see if I'd fit in the lifestyle but it wasn't for me. Ended on good terms and it was consensual for all involved. We actually discuss and honor boundaries.
Also are there really people feeling sorry for Hoelly??
I thought lolcow would love the fact that she's getting some bad karma her way.>>1005263
No actually just flirty and curious really.
I'm happy Heidi has removed herself from the shit storm and is thriving. I hope she can overcome the trauma and live her best life.
I sincerely hope that Hoelly's demented fans leave her alone. She made some mistakes but doesn't deserve the abuse.
are you going to offer any hard evidence you actually had contact with him? all these anons desperate for anything they arent even questioning the legitimacy of this.
plus you also sound like a total asshole. flirting and sending nudes with him but blasting holly for it and sending your condolences to heidi?
I garuentee Holly lurks here still but not Jared, so there is no subtle way she can bring it up lmao
Not to mention a lot of her fans lurk here to (Hi Magician!) But something tells me they wouldn't wanna tell her that Jared is possibly cheating
So have you been given any indication that Hoelly is OK with Jared exchanging nudes with you or do you think your relationship with Jared is a secret? I personally don't care, but I think it's a little funny that you congratulate yourself for being an ethical poly but are OK with a little e-cheating just because holly deserves it. (Though she totally does.)
In any case, would love to see a cap of Jared's name in your DMs with everything else censored out. surely you could manage that without pointing to who you are. And let's be real he is probably exchanging nudes with at least 2 or 3 other girls.
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Yup! IIRC Jared fucked her at a con the first time with Heidi knowing and being cool with it, then he kind of stopped talking to her, then he hit her up again WITHOUT Heidi knowing (while he was "with" Holly before the divorce), had rougher sex with her at another con, then ghosted her completely
My question is when he reached out to her again to have her switch sides did he get her to do it with manipulation or with legal threats?
What is so attractive about this man that he has this girl completely dickmatized
The reasons for a lot of the things they're saying are pretty clear, I'd say.
This is an imageboard anon, do you see any actual images that back it up?
Or are you samefagging nudeanon to make your lie more convincing? Hmmm
Is there a reason you don't know how to sage?>>1005288
The Unogirl situation was so pathetic. He literally threw her away and forgot about her existence until he needed her, and she immediately ate it up. I wonder if she'll have a change of heart again when she realizes he only used her to clear his name. Maybe she is still sexting him though.
IF nudeanon isnt full of shit, either
A: Holly knows and is okay with it, which completely goes against what she said last year about how she had spoken with him about how it is wrong to have sexual interactions with fans
B: Holly doesn't know and will find out from what nudeanon has said already, it's not like they are talking in code, so why wouldn't they just post evidence? Are they worried that he will ghost them, do they want his skinny dick pics that bad?
I agree this is way too easy to fake. It's amusing knowing Holly used to stalk these boards and may see someone saying Jared is swapping nudes with fans, but even then I don't think she'd care because at the end of the day she just hated Heidi.
Unless Jared got serious with someone else and dumped her or started ghosting her, Holly will still play cool girl for him and his sexting.
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Forget Holly, Jared has a new soulmate in this 'cancelled' gamer who just made a very similar 'comeback' video one year after allegations were made against him
The dumbest part is they could still be. There is literally fuck-all stopping them from gathering up friends and playing in a home game, or even setting up a regular streamed game on either of their channels.
But they're total narcs so it just won't be the same without the official D&D stamp of approval and Chris Perkins DMing and Anna stanning the ship and all the DCA stans worshipping them.
Odds are, what's stopping them is the fact that Jared doesn't have his Diath outfit anymore. Hoelly probably just does the bare minimum cause it's not her real true love while Jared wants to get it over with to not look at her haggard O-face any longer.
I get Jared probably wants to keep their relationship as mysterious long as he can (are they or are they not, he will never tell! coy smile n shit
) but honestly he should just flat out say what they are and get the backlash done and over with.
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Why is Jared dressed like a 12 year old boy from the early 2000's? Like the kid with the dumb little finger skateboards.>>1004987
Gotta try to get your in with Z list internet celebs somehow.>>1005288
Good ol Dennis system at work.
Are you gonna post proof or not
At least learn to sage ffs
Everybody needs to stop giving this anon attention until they post proof. It's so easy to sit behind a computer, hop on an imageboard and pretend you're recieving nudes from Jared to get attention from anons, and if that's what you're doing, get some self respect.
Not Hoelly stan, just sick of people LARPing as Jared's lover for internet points. Proof or gtfo
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This caught my eye on /g/
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Oh look, another fool to report…
I just find it interesting how much these folks change up the narrative…
Imagine if you found out that your partner is chatting with… that
Once again, Jared stans just switch the names up.
Heidi never even slept with another man!
I love it when these people only use the narrative of "B-BUT SEXUAL INTERCOURSE!!"
Yeah, dumbfucks, believe what you want about who was having sext with how many people, Jared was exchanging nudes with multiple people online.
Look hoes back https://youtu.be/DlJhlWfAn-s
Taking bets on which other person in this series does Holly try to ruin the life of!
lmao, she still gets work, but Jared's still blacklisted.
Bet Jared's so glad
he brought her into the D&D scene now…
It came out right before
the Pandemic really took off, so that probably messed with their production somewhat.
The D&D offices have been mostly closed and this was where Perkins was going to set up.
He's a boomer, he can't figure out how to use Zoom and stream all on his own from home.
I do think that he did care for Holly during the affair, because come on he was literally dating her on the side according to Heidi's livestream
HOWEVER I think the think that made him care so much for her was DCA. They were forced to be together atleast once a week for the show so even when he did try to distance from her they still were hanging out for hours every Tuesday, not to mention the frequent trips to cons and events (without Heidi)
Besides that, they were OBSESSED with Strix and Diath, like insanely obsessed. They were roleplaying behind the scenes, writing smut for their characters, commissioning porn, both drawn and written. They also had a huge fanbase shipping Striath
But now with DCA being long dead, I could totally see present Jared not caring for Holly much now that the only thing interesting about her to him is gone
>>1005482>someone who has already been caught running 7 nude blogs and snapchat accounts
Wondering if this is why anon can't show proof. Jared used lots of unrelated usernames on his sideblogs, since, you know, they were a secret. So unless they want to show conversations or pictures, which would immediately out them if Jared sees the leak, they have no way of showing us its really Jared.
But also, anon hasn't used this as an excuse, so this is just my hopeful tinfoil.
I think it has less to do with whether or not Holly approves of polyamory & more to do with Holly coming to terms with the fact that she's not Jared's one-and-only.
Remember, she did
tell Heidi that she wanted Jared & only
Jared. She might be 'cool' with it now, but she won't be when Jared's no longer available for her, because he'll be too busy with another member of his 'harem'.
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Guess which one is Holly's character.Yes, the one that looks like recolored Strix
I feel like that's the only reason why she hasn't
went ahead & dyed it red already.
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More "Stahp Public Shaming" retweets as well
Reminds me of how Heidi "slutshamed" Holly by simply saying that she had sex with her husband and sexted him nudes
But Holly posting private sexual texts that Heidi had sent to her own husband? Not sluthshaming at all, nope, just evidence of how aboosive Heidi was for… also partaking in their open marriage
And then she turned around and said that Heidi releasing all her texts after Jared's video was manipulative and evil
Atleast Heidi was actually part of the conversations she shared
Also the messages Holly shared were not at all incriminating lol literally just Heidi being flirty with her own husband, who had consented to the relationship shes talking about? What a slut. Besides we know how much of a sex pest Jared is, you really think that those messages made him uncomfortable when he was showing all his fan nudes to Heidi and showing her uno girl before he left their hotel room to go fuck her? If Jared DID have a problem with it then hes just a huge fucking hypocrite lmao
My guess is that Holly was so jealous when she saw them that she saw them as way worse than they were
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If she's cool with it then she is a total lying piece of shit
White people all have the same stupid opinions on public shaming. They never get this incensed about racist trolls.
No Holly your shitty BLM pennant doesn't count.
Interesting, considering the former looks exactly
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I feel like this is part of the problem. So many abusive people still do good things like donating money to charities. But doing good things doesn't mean you never have to face the bad things you've done.
He defeated cancel culture! Epic gamer moment
Also isnt Eugenia's tweet in defence of Shane Dawson? I'm sure he and Holly are both very sympathetic towards him right now, knowing their judge of character
I remember when they were being called out for child abuse they'd complain about how "everyone's focusing on the bad parts instead of all the good moments…"
Just more textbook abusive
She looks mad that she isn't playing Strix in something.>>1006172
Even with only 20 comments the Jared WKs immediately come out of the woodwork to defend him.
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Honestly, this seems like such a huge drop from DCA. Holly is by far the biggest "celebrity" on the show with the biggest following. Jasmine, the host, has a small following and the rest might as well be random people off the internet. I suppose beggars can't be choosers though and she's desperate to get back on whatever show will take her?
Still funny in comparison to seeing Anna and Chris getting booked for things like >>987130
that's the face of someone who suddenly misses that gg fame-by-association she used to resent.
she is so unabashedly glued to her phone for this whole appearance too, kek nice comeback>>1006288
it's already been discussed, she's not playing the red headed character she's playing the character on the far right
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this pic basically sums up the whole video. holly stares at her phone the whole time while having no chemistry with the rest of the cast who are actually making an effort to be engaged and pay attention to the people sitting at the table with them.
you can actually hear her phone thunk on the table a few times/her laugh at random times probably because of a wormdick text, here's one instance- https://youtu.be/DlJhlWfAn-s?t=126
i'd hate to play with her if that's how she treats cast mates that aren't famous enough
>>1006288>vampire wine mom
So that stereotype is fine, but being called “GG mom” was so horribly sexist she lashed out at fans over the nickname.>>1006340
I think so. I certainly remember seeing >>1005846
posted months ago.
I hope someone in the comments is brave enough to call her out, that's so rude and she isnt even subtle
Clearly she knows she has more clout than any of them and she knows she can do whatever she wants, you know shed never do that on a Chris Perkins show
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An hour after you posted this, someone on youtube granted your wish. They were kind about it though. Guess it wasn't very subtle
Well it's not DCA and Jared isnt there so why would she even pretend to care?
You'd think she would be grateful for the opportunity granted everything that happened, but clearly she doesnt view this game as good enough for her
I watched 2 seasons of DCA, never was she so distracted by her phone. Yeah, she disgustingly chewed on her hands and fingers, but she atleast paid attention
Don't worry, Holly treats her friends badly too! She can hardly get through any conversation that isn't about her. She's distracted and not listening, just waiting to interject.
It's why she can only be friends with her army of "mini me"s. You have to basically want to be her, and defer to her at all times. She can't be friends with women who confidently have their own thing going.
worse yet when she does decide to tune in she does almost nothing to further the plot, she just screams in jokes about herself. she used to be a barista so when they go to a cafe of course she has to ask for a super fancy italian drink to flex her knowledge. random npc wears a college sweatshirt? she wonders out loud if she can become an art professor there even though her character never mentioned an art background. no one paying attention to her? she randomly put on sunglasses to look OH SO QUIERKY! she said she's a Victorian woman and drew her with her pinky out, sipping tea, yet she basically plays her like strix (randomly yelling out, wandering off to steal snacks, and being too ditzy to know what a credit card was). The only time she tried to use a skill was when she rolled once to snap a barista out of a glamor because she wanted a better latte, and that had no effect on the story. everyone else was carrying her while she was trying to be quirky
bummer i actually like the other cast mates and really want a vtm show to watch as there are far too few and most suck, but it's distracting to have someone who doesn't care at all at the table
But she was a victim
of cancel culture! She's been through so much! We need to help her shine again! /s
Its because all the attention Strix got, she was the star of DCA and fan darling
Now it's the only way Holly knows how to play
Fucking hell, there is a reason
you don't reward obnoxious behavior.
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Is this the only pose she knows?
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Isn't this the girlfriend of Adam Koebel? The one who was kicked off the game she was on because of her association with him. It's so sad if their relationship doesn't work out after all that.
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Don't worry, Holly found a more rude one and responded! Surprised she waited a whole 4 hours after they commented.
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Bluejay is also one of Holly's bffs, guess Holly's gonna have to dump this one too…
she's into 'relationship anarchy' like kobel so it might not be him but damn would it be amazing if it was.
they've been together for quite a while and seem more stable than holly and jared though so I'd be suprised tho>>1006503
lol she should reawatch the timestamp from >>1006301
, she was clearly giggling at an inappropriate time and put her phone down hard enough to make a distinct sound. some of the others are taking notes/drawing, especially the person playing charlotte, but it's really obvious they're moving their arm with a pencil in hand and are still paying attention, not just zoning out for chunks of time.
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Maybe she’s going with wine mom to comfort pedodick over that wine Heidi allegedly “stole”
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Why is she STILL pushing the idea of mental health Monday when it’s literally just an animal crossing stream? Just call yourself a let’s play channel and move on, Hoelly
Interesting that she doesn't just take the note and apologize – it has to be that the person calling her out is mistaken, actually! She's way too kind to do the thing she was obviously doing. It must be that he's not seeing what he's seeing. Don't worry, Holly is here to tell everyone what is really
happening. Don't trust your eyes, trust Holly!
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Someone is getting defensive. And of course, Scarlet Moth is right there to snap back first.
Got a hearty chuckle out of that comment from Holly.
>"Your comment & language was taken directly from lolcow."
Always good to know that she still
reads here obsessively!
The gang's all here!
Really a pathetic lot huh?
That picture she linked is of a pencil drawing. It sure didn't sound like she was setting a pencil down (or even dropping it) in the timestamp >>1006301
I've followed this thread since the drama kicked off last year and it's still baffling to see how Holly lies about the smallest of things.
>it's still baffling to see how Holly lies about the smallest of things.
That'll happen when you receive nothing but praise & then fuck up real bad
Anon, Holly would play victim
regardless of if someone commented on the YT video or not - that's just her M.O. at this point. God forbid she just step up and say "You're right, it was disrespectful, it won't happen again". Nope, she had to do a long, mopey reply about how she was stimming to ease her anxiety so that she could once again pull her "I'm sorry, I'm mentally ill" card.
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Grant Imahara passed away and she makes one (kinda) sweethearted tweet about him and then the next two making his death about herself and her anxiety. Like????? She had me in the first half not gonna lie. She has not learned from the Etika situation at all.
"*Except for Heidi and Ross, who deserved everything they got."
But really, when people die we tend to think of our own mortality. I don't really see the problem with what she said. Unfortunately, I don't think she means a word of it because she is a narc.
Kek, I made that comment here and someone cowtipped like a dumbass. Nice to see that Hoelly still reads here though. She and Harlet Mutt need to take a break from the farms. Constantly looking up every negative thing about her is clearly aging her faster than her lazy eye can drift away.>>1006747
Can this narcissistic granny looking piece of shit stop making other people's deaths about her, ffs. Someone died
Hoelly, it's not about you, it's never been about you, the world does not revolve around you. Be a good mistress and stay in the shadows where you belong.
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So even people who don't know her found it frustrating and BorkScorpion still needed to jump on it because it doesn't MATTER if Hoelly shows professionalism guyz!! I wonder what the other cast think of Holly and Jared's incels personally minimodding the comment section on their show.
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I love that every single comment is hate to Holly, despite the fact that many of them preface their comments with "Not trying to hate, just distracted by the girl who seemed to not be into it". Also, how is it lying when there is literal fucking video evidence of her dicking around with her phone at least 75% of the time? She spent more time "coping with her anxiety" than actually participating.
But, once again, Hoelly gets to play the eternal victim
and anyone who dares say anything against her is just a bully who is lying and abusing her. You'd think she'd get tired of being a perpetual victim
This is why she's never going to get invited to bigger games anymore. She and her retarded ass lickers can't stop being embarrassments. If she can't take critique on her performance that multiple people saw, then she needs a new line of business cause this one isn't for her. She's been doing this for far too long to play the "muh anxiety" card and not telling the minions who she's clearly ranting to in private to chill out because the other members of her team might get caught in the line of fire too (They make it so obvious that she's pissed about the comments when they start commenting around the same time).
She only cares about her victim
status and everyone not tripping over their feet to kiss her granny ass. If she gave a single shit about the other players, she'd muzzle her hounds.
>>1006739>I'm not sure why people feel the need to pile on the Youtube comments about her staring at her phone.
Because maybe not everyone who found it disrespectful or distracting are from here lol. And its not on the viewers to read through every comment to make sure they write a 100% original comment on a video. If people are bugged by it, they're gonna talk about it.
Yeah its shitty that she got an in to talk about Lolcow because of that one comment that took too much inspiration from a post here, and now she gets to bring it up with every other comment criticizing her. But that's not related to the amount of comments that are being posted. >>1006503>"sometimes it helps with my anxiety"
Ah, this explains when, on Family Feud, Steve Harvey takes time when contestants are answering to stim with his squish ball! Its not distracting anymore. Thanks for explaining it!>>1006770
This is so fucking funny >how dare you watch the video that was posted with your eyes>just look away, its that simple
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Is lolcow in the room with you right now, Holly?
Lol so she still reads this thread. She’s probably getting so defensive because she could see that Jared is likely swapping nudes behind her back. Nudeanon might have made that up their scenario for attention, but I don’t doubt that it’s something he is actually doing.
Her career and reputation are ruined from defending/fucking pedoworm for nothing.
I hope they drop her from the campaign because her behavior both on stream and in the comment section are so wildly unprofessional between herself and her flying monkeys.
You know Holly, some people just won't like you, & there's nothing you can do to change their mind. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you can move on.
This whole "I know why you're here!" crap just makes you look paranoid & using your newly-renamed brand to get into arguments is not only unprofessional, but now you're dragging unwilling participants like Kayla into it.
there's a shitton
she could do to make people like her and change their mind, but that would mean owning up to her mistakes and not being a victim
player abuse enabler fuck. why would you even use the "some people will just never like you" argument on lolcow, especially on hoelly?
I might be screaming this into the void, but just on the slight chance that Holly is monitoring this thread:
Holly, I once really enjoyed your content. I’m not big into gaming, but I was an avid watcher of DCA and your arts and crafts streams. They were chill and you had vast knowledge of fantasy and medieval themes, which spiced up watching you sew cosplays.
I think it is REALLY NOT OKAY that you are trying to be some sort of mental health guru. You don’t have any actual scientific knowledge on mental health issues. If you want to be an advocate use your influence to get people to seek actual professional health. You went to university for gods sake, you should know the value of actual science! People shouldn’t get help from influencers, they should get help from actual doctors. I think it is potentially really bad for children how you trying to paint yourself as this authority on mental health.
Also I think it’s bad how you are trying to be this mental health advocate while simultaneously keeping up this whole which shtick. I get it’s about feminism. I get it’s a neat look. But it makes you look like one of those nutcases who’s trying to sell you healing crystals to heal cancer. It’s an unprofessional look for a self proclaimed mental health advocate.
I frequent this site to keep up on the actions of influencers, because there are some really bad eggs out there. And during this whole drama you said some bad things and acted really stupid.
But deep down I was always ready to give you a second chance, once the drama calmed down.
But I have now come to the ultimate conclusion, that you are the one, who will never let the drama calm down…
You should have just taken the criticism, but instead you reminded everyone on youtube of the past drama.(no one cares)
That's what I was thinking. How embarrassing to the other players and the host channel who posted this to have her freaking out defensive in the comments
Holly, dont you think its possible that if people here noticed you on your phone then genuine fans of the content you're in also did? You're not doing yourself any favors by acting paranoid and thinking every negative comment ever about you is sent by a lolcow secret agent
And if you WERE drawing then just shut the fuck up. Stop replying the same thing to every comment. Why are you even in the comments? Just move on and make it obvious in the next recording that you are attentive and drawing, sit up straight, and chill the fuck out
people cowtipping are drying up the milk, she was clearly texting but there's no point in harping on the drawing thing because there are a lot of legitimate reasons someone might keep their hands busy with drawing or notes during a game and you're all just giving her crazy fans more ammo to claim she's being bullied for being mentally ill and not for being an awful person.
Also since she lurks here she should review the timestamp >>1006301
posted, it is only one of multiple instances of blatantly typing, also it takes place before jasmine describing the coffee shop to them. jasmine is asking them if they want to describe the coffee shop themselves or if she should describe it herself. No one else was laughing, they were all listening to the questions jasmine was asking. it was rude and out of place.
love how she already knows all the details from the lolcow thread specifically without anyone directly bringing it up, despite there being many better known gossip forums out there. no mental health guru would tell you it's okay to obsessively lurk in places like this, especially not in your own thread
choose kindness, holly
So much desperation in this message. Holly the best thing you could have done was suck up the mentions in the comment section and not reply to any of them. Instead, you are damaging the reputation of your own brand, allowing people to dig up dirt on your previous drama, and also show a weakness in your character.
You are a 34-year-old woman. Close the laptop and step away from the internet. Also, get some therapy because you need it
Been playing D&D and other tabletop games for years, having someone getting continually getting distracted by their phone and not paying attention ruins it for everyone and might get you kicked out of the group if you don't shape up.
Looking at your phone is not a part of the roleplaying experience.
Well I'm sure glad you are all here to speak on behalf of the castmates who were playing with her and didn't care what she was doing.
If there was a problem they would have talked about it. This was up for months on PAs patreon but you guys super sleuthed something people that were there hadn't even noticed!
>This was up for months on PAs patreon
You actually think that the people here would want to pay
to watch that?
I imagine if she was on her phone like you claim, they would have talked to her about it.
You are assuming you know what happened and using that assumption to criticize. You could have asked a cast member other than her, but no, let's just run with a theory based off of sounds we can hear, despite the crew not even looking at her, despite the sounds of pen scratching on paper when she looks down, despite her saying what she was doing. We know better.
I'm sure she had a great time during that session & I'm not gonna say anything on behalf of her co-stars.
My issue is with how she's handling the comments. If she knows
that the other players were fine with it, take comfort in that. No need to get all defensive about it.
>>1006881> they would have talked to her about it.
Yes, because talking to holly "sorry I'm mentally ill" conrad always goes well and won't come back to bite you in the ass when she feels spiteful enough.
honestly holly pointing people to this thread was a good move on her part, this thread is going to be completely derailed by the influx of randos on both sides
This thread was on the rails before?>>1006890
Yes, a whole few seconds in an hour long video is proof she was on her phone the whole time because you can hear an unknown object clicking.
I actually went through the effort of skimming through that video, and that timestamp is the first time she seems "distracted", the next time is 19 minutes later.
I'm sure you also skimmed through the actual video though and didn't just take anon's word for it before saying she's "clearly distracted by her phone" though, right?
>>1006881>imagine if she was on her phone like you claim, they would have talked to her about it.
It's literally ON VIDEO with hundreds of views, it isn't a claim and even other viewers commented on it. Holly and her stans can keep gaslighting though, I guess. That's literally all she's doing by claiming people are liars for saying what can be seen with their own eyes. Guess she can't let her abusive
behaviour get rusty!
>>1006835>now you're dragging unwilling participants like Kayla into it.
And the people who she was playing the game with. That's all she ever does is bring innocent people down with her because she's a miserable cunt who wants others to suffer with her.
Her paranoia that "you're from lolcow! You're all from lolcow!" because multiple people saw her doing something disrespectful is going to make her look worse than she already does. I'm looking forward to the saga where Jared uses Hoelly's extreme paranoia against her and cries abuse so he can finally be free of her like he did with Heidi. Carry on with the paranoia Hoelly, you're doing great.
If it's literally on video you can show that it was a phone and not a pen, then. Again, I skimmed this video personally and while it's clear she doesn't make eye contact a lot and frequently looks down, it is far from clear that she's distracted by a phone.
She never had to ask for something to be repeated that I saw, she interjected regularly, and she looked up relevant information from her character sheet.
The fact that anyone who dares to criticize her then gets dogpiled by her ever-vigilant defense-squad isn't a good look either.
First of all, you already know they're biased, because they're her bffs - automatically invalidating anything they have to say, and secondly, it gives you the impression that she's the type that you have to walk on eggshells around, because everyone's rushing up to either do damage-control, or to make sure you don't cross her.
So if a fan is giving their money or ad revenue to D&D players to watch professionals perform, it's expected that the players will be distracted, unengaged, and have a hair trigger
temper to any critique about how they did? That's supposed to be the norm? Cause if that's the case it's weird Holly is the only one doing that
As established nobody here paid for the service. If you did and you feel you have been cheated out of your money go ahead and lodge a complaint. But like with many things, Lolcow presumes to speak for others because they don't like a person.
You don't like her performance? The show is already done, criticisms won't change the episodes that were already shot. Don't like her response to your criticisms? Don't watch the show. It's not like you were going to watch it before.
> Lolcow presumes to speak for others because they don't like a person.
Lolcow isn't an entity anon, it's an image board. Literally anyone
can post here, just like you're doing right now.
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Okay, but why were you even here, SadOldMagician?
Why didn't you just go cheer Holly up or help her take her mind off of it?
Why are you adding to the negativity?
It would be pretty upsetting to find out that Holly doesn't even check here anymore, but her so-called 'best friends' keep telling her about this thread & what people have been posting about her…
Newsflash: Gossip forums exist, & sometimes, they're not very nice.
I didn't pay for it anon, it's that SHE'S getting paid for it but acting this way. If Holly's behavior is as normal for a pro D&D player as anon was saying, it makes no sense why she would be the only one doing it.
>The show is already done, criticisms won't change the episodes that were already shot.
Wow someone should tell Jared to stop streaming then, cause nothing he has to say about a game will change anything that's been developed. All media critique is obsolete now, people should just stop being critical of anything they watch and just look away and never say shit if they don't like something, right?
Some of us have different opinions, anon.
Personally I could care less about what Holly was doing in the video, but I still think that her & her close fans/friends behavior in the comments sets a toxic
precedent for the D&D/TTRPG community.
i promise you this woman is not seeing a mental health professional, and if she is, she's lying to her therapist about what she's doing. the fact that she's still continuing to read lolcow and exercise these acts of self-harm and leap to validate herself is proof of that. a therapist would have been working with her from day 1 to stop that shit and providing her with exercises on how to do just that.
all she's doing is reading self-help books and allowing her friends to enabler her. her friends suck just as much as she does because all of them keep sticking their nose in the drama instead of helping her redirect her energies to something more constructive.
her comments show someone who is mentally unhinged. she will not do the work to better herself. she just reads self-help books and applies the advice based on her mood while her shitty friends stand by and enable her.>>1006845
it's pointless. she does not and will not care. i have a parent with narc tendencies and holly reminds me of her. the blatant refusal to self-reflect, accept criticism, or take ownership of her mistakes and instead make excuses and deflect blame are classic traits.
the problem is that holly believes she is qualified to provide a space for and guide people suffering with mental illness. she does not care about the potential harm it might cause because it does not affect her; it's slacktivism meant to elevate her own ego and make her feel important and like she's "contributing" to society or making the world better while being all talk and no action.
if she actually cared about her fans and her viewership, she would stop conducting mental health streams and put forth the effort to receive a proper education and certification in counseling. but she won't do that, because it's not about other people, it's about her.
i tried the same thing you did before and it just made me realize how selfish a person she is. what she is doing is dangerous. these people deserve better. but instead of taking the criticism at face value and exercising even the bare minimum of empathy for her viewers, she just covers her ears and goes "lalala" because any criticism, no matter how well-intended or valid
, is "hate" to her.
That anon never claimed that you were them, but great way to draw attention to yourself. No one cares who you are.>>1006924
This. It's less what she did in the video now and more of how she and her asslickers responded to it. Hoelly keeps whining about mob mentality but keeps on doing it.
This does raise the question of why so many people in Holly's inner circle are here. Does she ask them to come here? Or do they just come here on their own out of curiosity? >>1006926
She reminds me more of a BPD friend than my narcissistic mom, but they have similar tendencies. I think that's why her language sets off so many alarm bells in my head. I've heard the same types of arguments before.
>Does she ask them to come here? Or do they just come here on their own out of curiosity?
That's what I'm wondering.
It would be really shitty of them to keep reporting to Holly about what people are saying about her here if she is actually trying to avoid this shit. >>1006940
>her whiteknights will most likely get banned (and posts possibly exposed)
Boy would I love
to know how often her flying monkeys post & exactly what
they post here. Might even open Holly's eyes on how toxic
they really are…
Imagine how much less of a mess this would have been if Holly reached out to the person who uploaded this video to delete and get rid of comments like that if the language reminds her of what she reads on lolcow.
She’s just drawing attention to this site and also making the comment section to that video more embarrassing than it needs to be. If she wants to continue to make money off playing DnD she needs to be smarter than this. Sure people on lolcow would criticize her deleting comments but people unaware of this site would be none the wiser.
imagine how much less of a mess it would have been if holly just ignored it and went on with her life.
instead she's made it clear she's obsessively reading and engaging with "hate" comments on here and
on youtube, as well as involving her friends (or the other way around). yeah that sounds normal.
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I'll make sure to "Be Kind" next time I send a picture to Jared(comes to /ot/ to brag about her exceptional tastes )
was correct, I misunderstood what that comment in the original image was saying. My bad.
Can you please stop behaving like trading nudes with a man who has jacked off to minors is something to be proud of?
I personally believe you may not be lying but we don't care anymore, your act is getting stale.
Learn to post in this thread without drawing attention to yourself and talking about your personal sex life like the rest of us.
Are you…seriously bragging that you still talk to Jared? Here? On this thread? The literal bottom of the list of people who would even care or find that impressive ??? Dude, no one cares.
Like we know he still has people he talks to in his inner circle and obviously they watch this thread too, so it's no surprise you're here. No one is gonna beg you for details when you clearly aren't providing any. There's no carrot dangling satisfaction you can get here, it's so bizarre you still claim this shit is all
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Holly is currently going on a rant on Twitter again. What's wrong with saying Heidi's name though, Holly? And it wasn't just that you called her unfixable, it's that you started and continue to wage some kind of idiotic smear campaign on her with your pals on discord while at the same time to try to skinwalk as her.
Holly, hun, stay the fuck off this forum
That whole thread is just direct responses to things we critizice her for… that have nothing to do with the drama. Except the unfixable comment, theres no "apologizing" for everything she did to both Jared and Heidi
It's like every time this thread slows down or has bad milk she brings us up again to boo hoo on Twitter
King of hard to accept any of the apologies shes giving when they aren't genuine
Saying "tell me what I did wrong so I can apologize" is like saying "I don't think I've done anything wrong so tell me what you think I did bad so I can give a hollow apology"
man, this is just sad….I get that she's desperate for lolcow to leave her alone but the problem is it doesn't matter if she apologizes at this point. (Plus, we all know she will double down as soon as she gets over this outburst and go right back to insisting she is blameless.) this kind of self-defacing public groveling is difficult to watch. Its pathetic AND ineffective. Girl needs to respect herself, even if nobody else does.
At the end of the day, nobody is entitled to a platform or career online and she needs to accept that if she is chooses to be a milky public figure people will continue to prod her. Even creeps like Nick Robinson can thrive after a scandal by ignoring negativity and chugging along. It cant be that hard.
She's probably throwing a hissy fit about the comments on the new PennyArcade video.
Holly, how about you start by directly addressing the entire scandal as a whole, apologizing for it, and then directly address how you, in the simplest of terms, cheated on Ross physically and emotionally? The reason you're irredeemable isn't because if petty drama or even the things Heidi said, it's bevause when you throw fits like this and ask people to tell you what you did wrong so you can apologize, you proceed to deny everything that everyone tells you and then blame it on cancel culture.
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I find it hilarious that Hoelly is still dwelling on lolcow and what we say when less than a month ago, she shared this post of things they talked about on Mental Health Monday - the one cut off on the pic she shared says “stop dwelling on past mistakes”
This is why these threads are still alive and active, even though it's been more than a year since divorcegate happened.
Heidi hardly mentions it other than tweeting about her healing process every few months or so.
Jared doesn't mention it either other than retweeting some passive aggressive shit about cancel culture.
But you Holly, every time these threads start dying down, you provide direct fuel to the flame.
Here is a free mental health tip for you: website blocker apps/browser extensions exist and are popular to use.
The thing about apologies Holly is that even if you genuinely meant it, people don't have to accept it or forgive you.
God this just reminds me of Heidi saying she got apologies from Holly via thoughtless gifts and a handwritten card. Girl go to an actual therapist.
God, she is so passive aggressive and manipulative. It's not an apology if you're guilt tripping people for daring to question you in the first place and don't even know what you did wrong.
The childish, whiny way she talks is such a contrast to Heidi, who always speaks clearly and with confidence in her perspective.
What good things? She's the one bringing up the drama all the time. She and Jared are the ones who never move on. And has
she really learned to be better since then? We can't know she hasn't, but… she's still repeating her same old behaviors in these very tweets.
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Isn't this kind of a gaslighty way to talk about gaslighting?
it absolutely is. 'i have only EVER done this! i would NEVER do that! …but if i have let me know even though if you attempt to do so i'll make you out to be abusive
, make myself look like the poor traumatised mentally ill victim
, and block you immediately.'
she fucking KNOWS she's said these things, otherwise she wouldn't have added that little 'tell me if i have though!'. plus, she literally mentions 'forums' that call her out for doing those things, and we all know lolcow is included. we also know that there are god knows how many implicating screenshots in all of threads. she's manipulative and full of absolute shit.
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if holly could control her freak-outs and had said nothing this time, she wouldn't be dealing with Heidi's post rn. Let me tell you, I don't envy Jared today. Bet he's hiding in his streamer cave while holly throws fits.>>1007103
fucking this. She can't even apologize without shrieking and defacing herself. If she DOES admit to doing something wrong she presents herself as so pitiable and lacking in agency that it is impossible to feel like she accepts any responsibility at all. Can you imagine Ross facing years of this shit? Every apology for emotional abuse was probably incoherent begging and crying before her manic tears dried up and she did it again.
Nice to see that Holly reblocked Heidi
Heidi has a VERY good point. She is the one Holly should apologize to, not her audience. You shouldn't say "hey audience, sorry I publicly misdiagnosed someone" you should say "hey someone, sorry I publiciy misdiagnosed you"
One of my favourite things about Heidi is that she is so good at wording things like this, she is so efficient at deconstructing Holly's nonsense
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>"You're just upset that saying it made you look bad.">>1007150
And yeah, I agree. Apologize to the person you fucking hurt douchebag. Your loyal fans aren't going to give a shit. (see pic) They already hate Heidi & are going to continue carrying on your legacy of torturing her.
>>1007152>Why doesn't she admit that her and Jared did carry on an emotional affair and both cheat on their spouses?
tbh it all comes back to this, her absolute refusal to admit wrongdoing because she values dick over doing the right thing.
It's funny because she could have easily spun the situation into something sympathetic and pinned most of the blame on Jared for lying to her about Heidi being abusive
, pitting them against each other, etc. A lot of people would consider it wrong to blame the mistress over the cheating husband, and would have forgiven her. But she's the big villain in this drama because of her ongoing stupidity and constant fuck ups, and it's clear you'd have to pry the wormdick out of her cold, dead, cancelled hands. Jared is still worse to me because I loathe cheaters, but he's boring to talk about because he doesn't embarrass himself like she does.
irrelevant, but you know the hatred is real when you have them muted AND blocked, kek>>1007150
heidi really is wonderful at stating facts and not falling into the trap of feeling like she has to justify or explain herself. then again, she probably knows how to do it so well because of her sex pest ex husband
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Pretty much these words exactly. This is just performative shit & btw, BorkScorpion sealioning in the replies is not helping your case, Holly.
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I’d still bet it was holly posting on his insta, because the “I’m having a bad brain day” bit is word for word identical to a post holly made just 10 days later. Either she thought she’d tap that same sympathy well or she put the wording in his head in the first place
That's the other thing I find weird about this whole thing. Heidi is fighting tooth and nail to defend Jared, and meanwhile, he's sitting in his little man cave, ignoring her pleas for the bullying to end, screeching about mean internet forums, and vague tweeting about Heidi. He won't even come to the aid of the woman he destroyed his marriage for. The woman, mind you, that he left his beautiful, grade A cosplayer wife for. Deep down he doesn't truly give a shit about Heidi. He just won't leave her now because he's dug himself into too deep of a hole and would look like a pigshit if he left Holly. He'll probably tell her he loves her, he there for her, and them after she goes to sleep go jerk it to some slutty egirl porn.
And besides, I can't help but feel like Holly knows some true dirt about him, and he secretly feels that if he left her, she would go into a twitter rage and expose him.
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When people blatantly forget that there’s evidence of Holly agreeing that Heidi had BPD, and demand evidence that she did so and that she called Heidi unfixable.
Inb4 bork shrieks "Likes don't count!"
The fact that Holly even humored
this line of thinking is fucking dangerous.
Aww yeah! Someone on twitter brought the receipts! https://imgur.com/a/ZG9XPks
It's also a fresh reminder of the vile & cruel shit that Holly said about Heidi to her massive
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You called it, Anon. Apparently liking a tweet means nothing now, but Hoelly will readily block ANYONE who likes tweets Heidi has made.
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I forgot the irony of her saying "people can only fix themselves if they see their flaws."
But she's a modern Mother Theresa, so she doesn't have to worry about that.
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Update: liking The tweet isn’t endorsing it apparently.
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Okay, Bork is just grasping at straws now…
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Holly seriously needs to tell her WKs to stop saying dumb shit like this, because this is NOT making things any better for her.
Did….did this simp really just compare Holly, who cheated emotionally and physically on her husband and used someone's percieved mental unwell against them, to Mother Theresa, a nun who devoted her entire life to caring for the sick and impoverished?
I can't with Holly's whiteknight anymore. Holly, go get yourself some simps who aren't idiots, please. Before you know it they'll be comparing Jared being called out for cheating and abuse to Jesus being crucified.
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She… she knows that painting someone as an abuser just paints a big old target on someone, right?
Also, I hope Bork spills the fucking beans, because they keep claiming shit like
>"You sincerely don't know shit about what actually happened."
Oh really? Tell us Bork. What really happened? What do you know that we don't? What super-secret insider-info do you have that really solidified your decision on why Heidi is the one & only abuser in this situation?
I'm loving this. Heidi asking for an apology and then getting blocked just proves that Hoelly doesn't really want to let go. She had another freak out and caused all this trouble for herself and Jared after saying, "I just want to move on" but absolutely refuses to move on. She was just getting her foot back into the D&D door and now slammed her foot in it kek. She's doing so amazing at ruining her own future, it's great to see her self-destruct. It's really no wonder Jared ignores the shit out of her if she acts like this over a little bit of criticism.>>1007212
For the sake of saving your brain cells, ignore what her retarded fans say because their heads are planted so far up Cumrag's asshole that the earwax and shit in their ears will keep them from ever hearing a thing.>>1007216
I hope she keeps doing it so she can continue producing milk. Her meltdowns are hilarious. I wonder if Jared just whispering "Heidi" sends her into a rage.
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Holly is not
you & your mother.
Heidi is not
your mother's abuser.
This just proves that you're going off of your emotions & that you fail to recognize the nuance of this situation.
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When do you think she’ll finally tell Bork to back off and that theyre just making it worse?
I know right?
The only people making this shit worse are Holly's fans who refuse to admit that their 'Mental-Health Queen' can be wrong sometimes…
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If Holly was 'terrified' of Heidi then why did she have NO problem telling everyone & their mother that Heidi was an abuser?
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Now her stans have moved on to gaslighting people with BPD who dared to respond.
Call off your fucking dogs, Holly. This is not looking good for you.
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Ope, now it’s because Holly was going off of her understanding of the relationship between Jared and Heidi, not having spoken to the docs like she claimed
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These texts that Heidi sent to Jared, which he then shared with Holly and she posted.
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You know,the sad thing is that if Jared & Holly had just admitted to the cheating, I think less people would hate them now. It would've been much easier to forgive them if they just sat down & said "I fucked up."
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Bonus Holly & Jared's "Be Kind" squad weaponizing it against Heidi
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>"Right now you're shitting on every person who's had to leave an abusive partner, feeling like they wanted to die because they'd been conditioned to NEED them."
You mean like how Heidi had been conditioned to NEED Jared because he had financial control in their marriage?
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>" It seems a bit hypocritical for anyone to hold her to such a ridiculous standard to begin with."
Ah yes, the ridiculous standard that is the "Mental Health Advocate"
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Aaand THIS is why Holly cannot move on from this. Years & years of coddling.
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Bork stop posting this logical fallacy crap when you've already revealed that you feel the way you do because of your own personal mommy-issues.
The difference between Holly and Heidi is that when Heidi posts about the drama the responses are flooded with people shutting on her constantly, and while yes she has a couple defenders, shes pretty much on her own at home sitting alone
Holly has Jared as well as a whole army of stans that name search her everyday to defend anything anyone says about her ever. Constant, vigilant, OBSESSIVE stans, constantly up her ass,constantly telling her she is a goddess and never did anything wrong
Right guys, she hurt the BPD community by comparing them to such an evil fugly slut like Heidi! That's why she is apologizing to them and not the person she falsely accused of having it and being an unfixable abuser
Let me get this straight. False accusations against your boyfriend? Bad! Horrible! Eeeeevil! False accusations about your boyfriends ex? Valid
, honest mistake
She was fine with it up until Bork was told he wasn’t helping Holly move on by defending her on every post even vaguely against her and then bam, blocked.
So much for “tell me what I did wrong!”, eh Hoelly?
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>"Heidi just used the opportunity to publicly attack her and levy more accusations without evidence"
Wrong again, Bork. Holly unblocked Heidi to post a link to one of those "The Truth About ProJared" videos. She didn't even @ Heidi or post anything directed to her. It was was very indirect & underhanded of her.
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Yeah, Bork is really
fucking this up for Holly. Her stans in general are giving her a very toxic
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Okay, I lol'ed
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Of course, she’d like the asspats and none of the ones actually mentioning anything being her own fault. We’re all just big bullies, huh Hoelly? Man, it must really suck to have people saying totally mean things about You just because they don’t like you.
If only you knew of someone you’d dine that to…
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She replied to something
I never thought it was an intentional dig at Heidi
What I DID think is how hypocritical it is for Holly to make a shirt with that design. As if she has or had serious issues with people breaking her boundaries in the past, and if she did have an issue with it then I'd expect her to be more empathetic to the person's boundaries she was actively breaking, even when that person told her with clear and direct language that that is what she was doing.
I'd be fun to theorize that she made it about Jared still fucking fans and sexting them even that when they were an "offical" couple during the affair, aka when they were double dating Anna and Nate, but I dont think its about Jared, I think she knows it's a mental health buzzword and wanted to take advantage of it
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Next thread image?
I always kinda assumed that "boundaries" was a favorite buzzword from her therapy sessions, because she's so terrible at grasping boundaries that it makes sense the therapist would want to focus on it. But to Holly, she's the champion of boundaries because she talked about it in therapy!!!
And yeah, she's way too dumb to see the irony/the fact that it clearly applies to her stomping all over Heidi's boundaries, even if that wasn't the intention behind the shirt. And even if it came out before the "drama", wasn't it still after the actual event where she apologized for overstepping boundaries?
Tabbed back in just to see if this had been posted yet lol.
Seeing Bork wk nonstop is so embarrassing. The name fits as Holly's little attack dog though.
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Are you fucking kidding me.
Then don't say you're sorry for saying something about someone you consider an abuser! You narcissistic clown. You cannot be sorry you said something unless you feel it was wrong to say it about that person and apologize to them.
She's the most hypocritical POS. The fact that people fly to her defense is maddening and embarrassing.
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What a fucking piece of work this woman is.
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Is this bitch fucking for real? She's
the one who's full attack dog right now with a pack of bitches attacking people too. She doesn't want to move on and she's still
speaking poorly to Heidi after literally fake apologizing for calling her unfixable. "I won't apologize to an abuser even though I already did." she's so fucking stupid narcissist. You deserve the grief, Hoelly Cumrag.>>1007311
Now everyone is from the farms, you dumb cow.
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The fuck? Has she gone completely unhinged? First of all, does she expect Heidi to murder her in broad daylight or something after sending her an apology over… the internet or phone? And second, how does "her being an abuser" absolve Holly of the very clear things she did wrong? Despite her (invalid) opinion, she should still apologize to Heidi for her own wrongdoings. Her actions are mutually exclusive of her interpreted opinion.
The mental gymnastics with this one. I can't.>>1007311
Then shut the fuck up your "wanting to do better" and "be brought to task when you screw up." People will leave you alone when you either own up to your shit or keep ignoring all criticism and move on. Holy shit.>>1007325
She didn't attack you. You opened your big mouth on Twitter, asking for pats on the ass for saying something harmful, and the person you were speaking about called you out. Stop starting shit and claiming you're the victim
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>"Just paint me as a monster."
She's doing it again…
This is something that's always irked me about her responses. Instead of being specific about what Heidi actually did, she just vaguely insinuates she's abusive
and says things about her yelling which isn't abusive
behavior on its own. It seems like she knows her experiences won't hold up to scrutiny so she just leaves the abuse up to people's imaginations instead. Maybe if she laid it out for people then they'd be more sympathetic towards her. This just comes across as someone being vague because they're lying.
She really is completely unhinged.>>1007330
Okay Gabbie Hanna.
Heidi actually tells us
what Holly did.
Holly just says that Heidi "SCREAMED" at her once or twice with little to no other details.
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Exactly. Her request that people take her to task when she screws up was just a call-out to her comfort squad to validate that she's never done anything wrong, as well as give her the chance to discover who actually will critique her so she can remove them. She wants her community to be completely insular, like the abusive
piece of trash she is.
Holly, you are not being "painted as a monster".
You are becoming
Seek help. Real
help. Not just blind affirmations from your loyal fans. You need to fucking rebuild yourself
>>1007337>actual screenshots of her tweets confirming she did all of these things exist.
Pepperidge Farm remembers.>>1007332
This is a great point. She posts things with a lot of room for people to read between the lines and fill in the blanks on their own by using buzzwords.
Heidi explains specific intricacies, actions, and conversations about the situation and encounters, while Holly just yells "SHE'S AN ABUSER I'M ABUSED HE'S ABUSED I’M AFRAID FOR MY LIFE I KNOW ALL THESE THINGS IT'S DEFINITELY ABUSE."
I can't wrap my head around if she is actually this much of an idiot, or is so fucked in the head that she imagined this fantasy situation so hard she now can't see past it. She constantly contradicts herself to boot.
It's clear she can't keep up with her own lies. Or guilt.
Ding ding ding
The reason we believe Heid is that she has given us more information. Fuck, she gave us a whole 2 hour breakdown of the whole thing
You, Holly, showed us random text message and make vagur statements about how Heidi makes you feel unfuckingsafe
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All Holly accomplished tonight was proving Heidi right.
It's just… remarkable how she came in all "I want to apologize to everyone & I mean EVERYONE I've ever hurt!" & ended it all with "That person is an abuser. I will not be taking any more questions at this time."
That's like, some reverse character-development right there.
She ruined TWO marriages. Her own and Jared and Heidi's.
It's just getting so tiresome of her calling Heidi absuive when we know she was abusive
to Ross during their marriage. Holly cant help but project her own problems on someone else. It's insane honestly
And "leave me alooooone bohoo." YOU MADE THE THREAD ON TWITTER! People commented on that YouTube video and you could have just left a video with less than 5k views on it. It's not like people went into her twitter to harass her.
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Everyone's allowed to lash out except Heidi.
Twitter literally has the option to limit replies. If she didn't want people calling her out in her thread, she could've just done that.
Surprise, surprise: Holly's just doing this for attention.
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Let's see how Jared is handling this harrowing night…
Ross always seemed to go far out of his way for Holly. He helped her out during HoC, their wedding was Mass Effect themed around her self-insert, and he'd even go after people who wronged her.
Which kinda begs the question : Where's Jared at? Too busy sexting one of his fuck buddies?
And the YT comments were about her looking at her phone during DND lmao, it had absolutely nothing to do with Heidi or any of this drama. If she didn't sperg out about lolcow and demand people tell her what she did wrong on twitter, she wouldn't have to rehash any of this.
She just can't help herself, she must spend a lot of time reading this thread and seething to react so strongly to something so minor. Lolcow isn't that big or influential of a site, her responses are disproportionately mad.
Not gonna lie, I kek'd at reading "Top Ten Dicks in Gaming" in a very professional YouTube e-mail.
Also, it's striking and hilarious to me that Jared isn't addressing what's going on with Holly and her "bullies" at all. He doesn't give a shit about her. Good job, Holly, I'm sure becoming a public spectacle was totally worth cheating on your husband and getting a man who couldn't give two shit about what your going through.
In all honesty it seems that his silence regarding what Holly is going through right now indicates he still gives a smidgeon of a shit about Heidi, if only to spite Holly.
That's what's amazing. This whole thing started because a handful of people in the comments of a YouTube video were negative about her distant behavior during a game of Vampire.
And it cavalcaded into this.
Holly is her own worst enemy.
I didn't even care what Holly was doing during the video, I just found her responses to criticism so weirdly defensive.
She behaved just like she did tonight; starting out all "I'm sorry, I'll try to do better uwu~" only to switch suddenly within an hour or two all "You are just a mad troll who's out to get me!"
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Honestly, it all just seems like Jared went from one enabler to another…
I can't help but feel like that's why Holly does this shit, to keep the heat off of him.
Too bad she seems to be destroying herself
in the process.
And yet Jared isn't even willing to defend her, stick up for her, or show any affection towards her. Sometimes I wonder if she regrets not being with Ross (someone who did all of those things for her) but then I remember it's Holly and she probably thinks Ross is abusive
If Heidi was abusive
why doesn't Jared speak up and give the details about it then.
Yeah, especially now that the divorce is completed. I wonder if Heidi managed to get a stipulation made where he's not allowed to publicly call her abusive
or harass her on social media.
Or Jared's being his usual cowardly, pathetic self.
I feel it's more likely Jared just doesn't give it shit. He's probably in denial about the fact that fucking Holly Conrad isn't what he thought it would be. He probably assumed his dick would be wet 24/7, and they'd be known as irl Diath with the internet falling at their feet about how cool it was, when in reality, he's known as the guy who exchanges nudes with fans, and Holly is known as the unstable woman who cheated on Ross freakin' O'Donovan with ProJared and can't stop obsessing over his beautiful ex-wife that everyone loves.
How much you wanna bet Jared still jerks it to old pictures of Heidi?
She does think Ross is abusive
. She made Scarlet tell Dan Pirro about how difficult their marriage was on Holly.
She has yet to try and refute the fact that she was actually abusive
in her own marriage. She denies so much yet she won't even address herself being an abuser. I think it's most likely because it's true and if she denies it she knows people like Suzy and Arin will get involved since they have seen her be abusive
first hand. Also Holly confided in Jared that she abused Ross, so if she convincingly lies about it in public she knows Jared will see her as a liar.
So Holly, how come you are allowed to abuse your husband and then publicly slander someone else as an abuser? Only you are allowed to repent for your sins and shed the label of abuser? Growth and redemption are reserved only for people you like? It's disgusting.
I wonder if Holly tried hard to find a way and send a lolsuit to this entire site.>>1007350
I agree with this anon. Even during Game Grumps days, Holly would sperg on Twitter if someone threw a minor criticism at her. I think she's obsessed with being "universally loved" , can't stand that her facade has cracked and people can see what she really is about.
Agreed on next thread image, and also contender for a banner.>>1007315
What Holly says: I'm sorry I said a wrong thing.
What Holly means: I'm sorry I got in trouble for saying a wrong thing (P.S. I don't actually think I was wrong but please stop being mad at me about it, I just want a life with no consequences or accountability.)>>1007330
The shirt may have been out before the drama became public in May 2019, but the boundaries conversation with Heidi was in February 2018. I bet that shirt was an intentional dig at Heidi long before anyone outside of the situation could know what it referred to, so of course she would keep promoting it afterwards.
It's funny because she used to be loved on lolcow before the scandal, and she herself probably doesn't know that. Back when the thread was just about Suzy, it used to be that you couldn't say a negative thing about Holly without being shut down. Even if one said something along the lines of "I find her mildly annoying" they'd be met with a barrage of posts about how she was a super sweet bird mom and she was so much better than Suzy.
Oh, how times have changed. To think that during all that she was abusing Ross, the sweetest, gentlest guy in all of this, breaks my heart.
I do not recall seeing this shirt until well after the cheating and nudes news swept the internet, but okay, Holly, keep telling your version of events.
And even if this shirt came out before the drama, the optics of the release should have made her pull the shirt or at the very least, not have a boundary-crossing, fan-fucker model it for her.
When Ross was doing Stardew Valley streams on Twitch (around July 2018) him and Holly did a small mental health talk (I think while they were waiting for Arin/Matt) and they both talked about how Holly had been abusive
in their relationship. He admitted that she was not a good person at times (especially early on in the relationship) and she agreed with him. I'm pissed there isn't a VOD of this stream, because it'd be great to share, especially when people are trying to claim Ross was abusive
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The Boundaries shirt did come before the drama, the Canceled shirt came after.
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Leave it to Holly to say "I, my, me" a total of 13 times in only 11 sentences while addressing someone else's untimely passing. It's obnoxious the absolute lack of self awareness.>>1006773>>1006786>>1006851
She needs a PR agent or a new therapist, can't believe she's actually commenting like this from her business account. Not a great look for her first appearance since DCA and the projared debacle.>>1007232>>1007240>>1007248>>1007253>>1007285>>1007292>>1007315>>1007347
Love how she drummed up all this drama from a few comments on a YT video that had absolutely nothing to do with any of this. Went from "I'm not distracted by my phone I was drawing!" to "lolcow is bullying me, you are all from lolcow!" to "I'm sorry I said Heidi was an unfixable abuser, but she is!" In less than a day? What an eventful 24 hours for Holly, no wonder it's been a "bad brain day" for her.
The "Cancelled" shirt is way more egregious. Jared has showed absolutely no remorse for his actions. They tried to pretend Heidi was benefiting off of the scandal despite her not streaming or running her shop at all during the height of it. Meanwhile, Jared delivers a half assed explanation video, immediately goes back to streaming, and models in a t-shirt Holly is selling to profit off of him exploiting his fans.
At least there is some solace in that fact that Holly probably makes next to nothing from her failed clothing company, and she probably sold a half dozen of those hideous Cancelled shirts.
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Sorry, I should have specified that it didn't come out after the drama was made public (like some people are trying to claim.) However, it definitely was a jab/reference to what Heidi said in her text to Holly. Especially when you look at the dates that these texts were happening and realize that they were around February 8th and the design was released February 16th. There's absolutely no way Holly can claim that it wasn't related to Heidi.
I mean even if it’s true that she’s genuinely scared and uncomfortable by Heidi it’s kinda like what did you expect? You’re the mistress and you were the one talking mad shit about her to her husband like I’m sorry but even with everything out of context why should you as the mistress expect the wronged wife to offer you an “uwu soft space uwu I’m here for you!!” type of attitude? Holly is so manipulative and self centered she genuinely can’t see that in some situations other peoples emotions (both good and bad ones) go before hers. Like if you don’t want to be scared of other people… don’t fuck their spouses. Heidi doesn’t owe you safety, Holly, in fact she doesn’t owe you shit but you owe her a massive apology even if not for the fuckery on twitter and the shit talking but at least for adding to the pain of an already hurtful marriage that Heidi had to deal with. You being sad about “I can’t have the married man I want because of his super abusive
whore wife that won’t let us have be free from boundaries and doesn’t let me cheat on my own husband” is not only pathetic but also really telling of how spoiled and delusional you are.
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Holly really is living by pic related lol
They dont even live in the same state, like wtf is Heidi gonna do?!
Yell at her on phone again?
Holly will just claim that she's gonna sick her evil fans on her, but it's not like Heidi has a bigger fanbase or like, a dedicated discord sever of simps always ready to pounce at the meer mention of Holly or Jared anything
no, because the people who run the show (and likely the people on the show) have already be fed holly's narrative the she's the victim
, and likely they've been fed that for months.
this is PA not WotC, their pr and hr departments work very differently. if people get mad at pa mike and jerry will just double down out of spite.>>1007486
this, i know she keeps bringing up the drama but it's clear she doesn't actually want to hear the truth, even when she's confronted with her own behavior in screencaps. she brings up the drama because she knows that it will bring out her white knights to comfort her everytime she feels low because of some minor fucking youtube comments. that's why she only spent time liking comments that called her perfect and told her to ignore the haters after literally asking to be told what she did wrong, it was the validation she was seeking all along.>>1007428
honestly curious what is going through ross's mind when this happens. i really think that what keeps him from speaking up is that he still has a soft spot for her and not because he just wants to move on, he hasn't shyed from calling others out on twitter.
Re: ross, could be that deep down he still cares for her. Could be that he knows that if he even farts in the general direction of any holly drama he will be dragged down into it and his internet presence would be a miserable one.
Could he theres also a nugget of truth when some anon suggested he wasn't all that innocent himself, and doesn't want to enrage the internet sleuths. Personally i think that his time with holly must have been so miserable he really REALLY doesn't want to even think about her anymore
I can believe that. Just very recently, he talked about his trip to New Zealand, the one he clearly to when he was still married to Holly, and tried his absolute damnedest to not mention her by name. And he brings up how suffered emotional abuse in his past relationships, which I can definitely assume one of the being with good old Holly.
Not to mention the several months of therapy after the divorce and the now deleted tweet of the both of them still being friends. If Ross still thought Holly was a good person and friend, he would have stood up for her like he's done before.
damn, i missed the part where he deleted that tweet. did he talk about his trip on stream or twitter?
staying away is definitely the best bet, i respect that decision, but it's funny to think how holly must fear ross now for how easily he can debunk her lies.
i honestly think she lacks the self reflection needed to realize she was EVER in any fault.
I'm 100% sure she thinks Heidi was abusive
and I would bet money that if Ross ever raised any objections to her True Love with Jared, in her mind he was abusive
Probably it's the opposite, if Ross were to speak out against Holly she would unleash a smear campaign like one you'd never seen lol. My guess would be "i was asexual at the time and he knew so technically every time we had sex he raped me" lol
If she did go nuclear against him I really think it'll just turn back on her, Ross is really really well liked even on forums like this. He's smart for not even mentioning her name again but that alone speaks volumes to how abusive
she must've been.
Yeah, for all the talk about growing and learning it just seems to be lip service. Her behavior, at least online, never seems to change or develop. She doesn't appear to be good at reflecting on her mistakes enough to learn anything meaningful from them because she always comes to the conclusion she's a victim
. But I still don't think she would make an accusation that extreme, plus her and Jared's fans give off strong vibes of not believing that sort of thing from a woman anyway. A lot of them latched onto Jared right after Vic Mignogna, after all.
I honestly think if Holly attempted to do a smear campaign against Ross that it would dramatically backfire against her. You think Holly supporters are crazy white knights, lovelies can be even worse, and there are way more of them.
I think there is a small part of Ross that does still care for Holly (not love, but fondness/nostalgia), and he doesn't care for drama. Plus, I don't doubt that Holly would threaten to kill herself if he said anything bad about her.
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Shes absolutely right
How many Holly stans say "Heidi is abusive
because one time I/someone I know was abused so I know for a fact everything ever about abuse"
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Their walk was in February 2018, right? And they had been sexting as Diath and Strix for months before that, the constant sexting and RP is what led to Heidi telling Jared to giving it a shot in the first place
So about 2 and a half years now
At this point, Holly seems literally hysterical. I think she has convinced herself that all the shit she said about Heidi is true as a coping mechanism for all the fucked up shit she did. At this point she 1000% believes Heidi is abusive
to not only Jared but herself and that Heidi is a legitimate danger and threat to her own life
She would rather believe that than just face the truth of her actions
She needs to check back into a mental health clinic if she is this disillusioned from what is happening/has happened
>"She knows that when she says "abuser" it reminds people of their own experiences with abuse, making them automatically more sympathetic to her without knowing any actual information."
I mean, look at what Bork says here:>>1007225