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Last time on the Curse of O’Ferrall Campaign:>Heidi takes no prisoners: >>840582>Holly’s wks have been discussed last thread until Heidi’s mic drops; nothing of interest except hilarious hypocrisy. See previous thread for inceldom >Heidi unlocks new achievement when tweeting @Projared with a viral video of a kid dressed up as an influencer apologizing and suggesting he could use some inspiration from it>Heidi claims that “they” have been telling her behind the scenes that they could say anything they want about her and it would be in her best interest to keep quiet along with legal threats from Jared>Holly retweets a YouTube video entitled “The Tragedy of @ProJared: Uncovering the Truth” >Heidi is unblocked by Holly for some reason>Heidi rages on Holly’s tweet of the Youtube link; refers to messages sent to Jared regarding her constant harassment of Jared and suicide baiting in an attempt to end his marriage with Heidi>Calls out Holly for being “obsessively hateful” >Quotes Holly’s text to Jared, “why hasn’t this relationship ended yet” >Idle Champions replaces Diath (Jared's DCA Character) with a new character “Xander". Evelyn (Anna Prosser's DCA Character) remains. >Jared’s five wks would like to take legal action against Idle Champions for internets theft>Ross & Holly's Divorce will be final 7/22: >>840621>Radio silence from Jared continues as of 5/17Pigeonshit and Wormdick: A Love Story >Popular Youtuber Jared Knabenbauer announces his divorce to semi-well known cosplayed Heidi O’Ferrall>Heidi responds by saying Jared had blocked her and announced the divorce on his own, speaks of him having multiple affairs, the main one being with her former friend and co-star of Jared’s D&D group, Holly Conrad>Holly Conrad was also previously married (pending divorce) to Ross O’Donovan, popular Game Grump >Multiple fans of Projared show an alarming amount of sexts and nudes that were exchanged between them and Jared>It was revealed Jared ran around seven porn blogs in the guise of “Body Positivity” >Jared had at least three minors allege that they had exchanged nude photos and sexts with Jared>One minor released an apology Jared had sent to them admitting his guilt>Said minor’s information is suspected to have been given to Jared by Holly>Minors have since disappeared from the internet due to the full force of drama and legal recourse this revelation has propagated>After an internal investigation, Jared is fired from Normal Boots>Holly has accused Heidi of abusing Jared throughout their marriage>Heidi has accused Jared of abusing her throughout their marriage >Heidi had come out that her relationship had been open, but Jared continued to cheat after she closed the marriage. One of the reasons the marriage was closed was none other than Holly Conrad and her exclusive emotional feelings for Jared >Holly has tweeted vitriol about Heidi and minors involved with “THEY’RE LYING. I’M SORRY” Previous Threads (The ProJared Saga Begins):
9: >>836081Character Descriptions and Stats:
Jared "the Wormdick" Knabenbauer>Known for having a gaming youtube channel where he reviewed games>Formed "Waffle crew", the D&D group that would soon turn out to be a dumpster fire>All hell broke lose when his ex-wife revealed he has been manipulating, abusing and cheating on her>Soon after, other victims of his started leaking chat logs and nudes>Turns out he was soliciting underage porn >Went into hiding>Throughout DCA, his D&D character, Diath, was having an on-going romance with Strix, his co-player Holly Conrad's character>Turns out they were also involved IRL, cheating on their spouses>Holly is currently whiteknighting him on twitter, while he is trying to manipulate his side-pieces from the shadows>One of his side-pieces fell for it and now is changing her initial statement, trying to get on his good side (even though he ghosted her before)>Heidi accuses Jared of threatening legal action if she speaks up. Unfortunately Heidi casts “Absorb Elements” just like she did for his initial divorce statement. Jared takes an extra 1d6 damage on her next melee attack.
Charisma: send noOds
Holly "Manic Pixie Butterface" Conrad (current power-level):>Got into D&D, started thinking she's literally Strix - her character>Cheated on Ross with Jared the Wormdick while trying to manipulate both Jared and his wife>Once Heidi (Jared's wife) revealed her as a side hoe, she locked down everything and checked into the tumblr hospital>After getting back on the net, she started autistically defending herself and Jared, claiming she never cheated and Heidi is literally Hitler>Professional victim, her NPD can be seen from space>Emotionally abused Ross, claimed she never felt love until she met Jared>Claims to have not cheated on her ex-husband despite his refusal to make one comment about the situation in her defense>Can't stand even tiny criticism about herself, reads her lolcow thread though>Compared Etika’s suicide, a popular black YouTuber, to her own suicidal ideation by showcasing they both received clown emojis as “bullying.” >Suffers backlash from the black community, Etika’s fans and Twitter>After being called out for taking advantage of a person’s suicide, Holly infamously deflects criticism by tweeting, “I’m sorry. I’m mentally ill.”
Luck: ran out
Charisma: clown emoji
Holly Conrad’s Previous Stats: >Holly is a “talented cosplayer/craftsman/special effects artist and well respected in the community”, even appearing on Syfy's "Heroes of Cosplay">Was one of the main focuses of the 2011 Documentary "Comic-Con Episode IV: A Fan's Hope" (directed by Morgan Spurlock)>Originally gained notoriety for her Commander Shepard/FemShep cosplay>Married to Ross O'Donovan, beloved animator and member of the GG Family, from 2012 to 2018>When it came to Arin/Suzy vs Ross/Holly most people preferred Ross and Holly, because they felt less fake and Holly was famous separate of Ross, not riding her husband's coattails like Suzy.>Was best buds with Jared's wife Heidi, another talented and respected cosplayer/craftsman>Apparent tragic backstory = quirky anxiety uwu. I don't really know the whole backstory on this one, not sure if it really matters. >But was apparently close to her grandfather and inherited his house(?) in Washington(?) when he passed away which was in theory part of the reason she and Ross amicably split. Jared and Heidi just also happened to live in Washington.>Other speculated factors included Holly being asexual (lmao), the toxic GG fan-community, "having codependency issues", and wanting to leave LA while Ross wanted to stay>Publicly their divorce was mutual, amicable, and came as somewhat of a shock….OR WAS IT?>Basically all this drama is so juicy because Holly "quirky manic pixie dream bird gurl, asexual anxiety, luvs animals so obviously wouldn't hurt anyone uwu" Conrad was the surprise plot twist villain we never saw comingFor More On Holly Conrad:>A History of Holly: >>838840 (Source: PULL)
Charisma: Not Suzy
Heidi of the House O'Ferrall, Hell Hath No Fury, Giver of Zero Fucks, Destroyer of Careers>Non-lewd cosplayer, talented craftsman and elf >Produces tutorials and shows her work in progress pretty in depth>Has a degree in Theatre/Costume Design>"She had sex with my husband", top 10 anime deaths of all time>Married to Jared Pedodick Knobslob>Was in a poly relationship with Jared>Claims Holly was the reason it didn’t work out >Outed Jared’s infidelity and set twitter ablaze>Working on her current divorce and perhaps a defamation against Holly Conrad for trying to claim she had BPD and that psychologists have deemed her “unfixable” >Has started to become more vocal on that drama since Holly’s Etika sperg>Claims emotional abuse by Jared and gas lighting, and also seems to insinuate her enjoyment of sex has decreased>Blocks overtly sexual cosplays because of the ProJared controversy >Currently living alone in a new home and trying to start up her business and craft in a way to support herself>Accuses Holly of being vindictive enough to have done everything in her power to end her marriage and happiness
Charisma: Zinfandel NPCs:
Dan Pirro from the Honorable House Pigeon>Dedicated white knight of Jared and Holly’s that created a campaign to prove #heidingthetruth>In direct contact with Holly Conrad Flying Monkeyhttps://twitter.com/SweetestRads
Jessica Slater from the Honorable House Pigeon >Holly stan and dedicated “sister” https://twitter.com/CupcakeValkyrie >Runs a clearly objective truth blog on tumblr while putting down Heidi on twitterhttps://jaredhollyheiditruth.tumblr.com
Participation Trophies go to the following for their dedication:>Denica >BorkScorpion, RainbowTressym, TigerNightmare, UnicornHoodlum and others>May or may not be sockpuppet accounts>Tier 3 WKs, to be mostly ignored>Autism awareness is sometimes being aware of who to avoid
>Holly Conrad/Commander Holly:https://www.instagram.com/commanderholly/https://twitter.com/HollyConradhttps://www.youtube.com/user/CommanderHolly
>Normal Boots:https://twitter.com/NormalBootshttps://www.youtube.com/normalbootshttps://www.instagram.com/normalbootsofficial/The Expanded Universe:Game Grumps
Previous GG Threads:>Jon vs Dan speculations, are the Suzy nudes real or fake, blah blah blah, old news. Seriously, don't ask to be spoonfed this old dried up milk. Go read about it on your own. >There is a whole subreddit dedicated to GG Rule 34 where they sexualize the girlfriends/wives as well as the grumps called r/polygrumps. Suzy once long ago tweeted in support of polygrumps, but it seems like an especially toxic corner of their already toxic fanbase. I doubt she would confirm that support today.>GG sells a merch line called Game Gyaru "based on Arin and Danny, reimagined as female characters inspired by the anime series Dirty Pair, named Arina and Daniella respectively". It's a blatant tracing of the characters from "Dirty Pair" that they did not initially acknowledge.>GG release body pillows of Dan and Arin. They sell out very quickly. It's gross: >>792883>Guess what Jon's an even worse blatantly sexist/racist person than we ever could have imagined>Katie/Suzy/deviantART
Suzy "the Goose" Berhow:>Has a history of scamming fans by buying cheap jewelry from China and the likes and reselling it to fans with an absurd markup as her jewelry line or as one anon put it: "creating a really expensive jewelry line that involved very little effort on her part". Arin has to come to her defense when people find out.>Previous threads over the years were mostly about Suzy's "thyroid-related" weight gain and absurd styling choices, scamming, and how she's a ~rEaL gAmEr GuRl~ >No one seems to really have complaints about her current styling choices since she lost weight and the skunk stripe and adopted a more natural look (it's much closer to her twin sister Jean's)>Suzy was a "model" when younger, and will still constantly repost the same pictures from her past over and over again, in case anyone forgot>There sometimes seemed to be some unspoken tension between Suzy and Holly. Suzy seemed to give off the vibe of being uncomfortable not being the only cool gamer gurl in the GG group, especially when up against a girl that seemed to prefer and respect.>Seems plausible that she prefers being the female center of attention given the theory that JonTron's swift and dramatic departure from GG was due in part to some beef between Suzy and Jon's girlfriend at the time. IIRC this is still all just speculation. (Jon's too big of a topic, read that one on your own for the full backstory)>A/N: I would be kind of surprised if she showed any support for Holly at all, but maybe that's just me
Katie (Most recent GG drama unrelated to PigeonGate 2019 ):>Suzy claims she and Arin have been together since 2002. Arin's mysterious deviantART ex Katie shows up from an apparent cryogenic sleep after 10+ years and throws an insane hissy-fit about how Arin was pursuing HER during that time and she turned HIM down. >Thinks Suzy poisoned Arin against being her BEST FRIEND despite the fact that she was married, disappeared from the internet, lived across the country, and was definitely leading Arin on for some time. Arin seems to have bought her some gifts in this time.
>Minor cow Katie, rejected Arin way back when and regrets it now that he's famous:https://twitter.com/dropsofvioletAbout Dice, Camera, Action:>DCA is/was a popular D&D livestream DM'd by Chris Perkins (WoTC story designer)>It's cast consisted of Holly Conrad, Jared Knabenbauer, Nathan Sharp and Anna Prosser >All of them turned out to be cheaters, hooking up with each other and breaking marriages/engagements
>Wafflecrew/Dice, Camera, Action:http://yt.vu/a1ZbgywIF6Yhttps://twitter.com/livewafflecrewhttps://twitter.com/NateWantsToBtlhttps://twitter.com/AnnaProsserFiled Under “Other”:
Ross O’DonovanDo Not Bother Ross O’Donovan>Game Grump and animator
You May Support and Subscribe at: >Ross O'Donovan/RubberNinja:https://twitter.com/RubberNinjahttps://www.youtube.com/user/RubberNinjahttps://www.instagram.com/rubberninja/Reminder from Mods regarding Holly's young friend:>Subjects have to be 16+ to be discussed on lolcow. Do not include her face or social media posts here. >This is also a reminder that cowtipping is also against the rules, do not contact the girl or her parents because of her relation to Holly.
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Moving this v important image over from the previous thread.
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crossposting from PULL
I mean… Did you all see
how he followed her submissively in that video?
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>some interesting writing and art
He'll just say he's poly and Holly with grimace through her tears and pretend to be ok with it while suicide-baiting on the inside.
Are they even an official couple?
It'll just be more of her "WOE IS ME" shit, like the piece she allegedly did after Keemstar did his first bit on her and PedoDick's drama.>>841457
On the inside? When has Hoe-lly ever NOT publicly mentioned her suicide baiting so as to garner sympathy from even more people?
For someone who is reportedly so "pro mental illness awareness", she sure does lack the awareness in not triggering
everyone else with her suicidal talk.
Hoe-lly's #1 mental health tip: It's totally okay to continue to drum up sympathy for a situation that is entirely of your own making.
It's okay - You're mentally ill.
Mental Health Tip #2: If someone wont let you have sex with their husband, they are abusive
and mentally unfixable.
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It's like she actually think she's living out a real life episode of Charmed or something.
When is she going to grow up?
Also, big fan of the "I drew some art about keeping boundaries!"
You….you mean like the boundaries you and PedoDick continuously violated with Heidi that you then labelled her as abusive for having?
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Is she for real?
Well, Hoe-lly IS about as awful a person as sixpenceee, so it makes sense.
Neither one of them is great at owning up when they fuck up and instead choose to double down on the stupidity.
>unogirl wants to be his cumrag again
Of course she does - Why else would she suddenly flip the script and be on his side again after he reaches out exactly ONCE?
>when Holly's acting like the side ho from Fatal Attraction
Bold of you to assume that PedoDick is waiting for that and won't fuck anything with a pulse when the urge hits him.
>She will only like/reply to pictures of women if they're Ramona Flowers alt types
Haven't you ever wondered why 2-3 of her closest friends/roommates all look nearly identical to Hoe-lly, right down to the weirdly short black and green hair?
She's so insecure about her looks that she can't even stand to be friends who someone who MIGHT fit the mold of "pretty"
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you can feel holly's insecurity oozing out of every picture of two of them together
Mental Health Tip #5: If someone seems upset with, just constantly tell them it's because of how pretty they are. Others may say it sounds passive-aggressive, but that's just because they're abusive
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Remind me again how ANYONE would be willing to ruin their life for the lizard-looking douche that is Jared?
Also, notice in both this picture and the one posted above that Anna has her hand casually on Holly's back, while Holly is treating Anna like a leper or something.
Don't worry, Holly - You can't catch the pretty anymore than Anna could catch whatever it is you have.
That's what I thought, too. He looks completely exhausted. Not physically, per se. He looks drained (yeah, I understand that attending a con can be crazy, but this seems kinda different).
I'd almost feel bad for him if he didn't have so much stacked against him.
Holly isn't a witch: she's a goddamn emotional vampire.
The only person's emotional well-being that matters is her own. We can clearly see that in her previous exploits.
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I’ve never watched an episode of DCA and I don’t know if I can bear to but is Strix as obnoxious as Holly portrays her to be in every single pic I’ve seen of her cosplaying this character? From character descriptions and fanart I assumed Strix to be more of a ‘dark’ character or at least more unsociable and withdrawn, but Holly makes her look like the annoying fuzzy animal sidekick in a kids’ movie.
Meanwhile Jared looks like a cross between an earthworm and a Babblong. Fascinating how they both chose to abuse and then ditch their much more attractive and likeable partners for each other.
You know how they say that abused kids tend to grow up and find equally abusive
That's how Jared and Holly have found each other when their first marriages crashed and burned - They're both equally abusive
and awful , while Heidi and Ross are sweethearts.
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Ross is a perfect cute nerd husbando.(we have seen this image enough, thank you)
That's what I'm saying - Ross is the epitome of a Really Chill Dude™ and Heidi is pretty chill herself.
Jared and Holly are terrible people, judging by everything they've done (and how they continue to react, at least on Holly's end). It makes sense that Holly and Jared would look at their good partners and be bored, but would look at their equally awful counterpart and be into it.
what awkward photos. Jared's 1000-miles-stare and Great Value adventurer
costume (thanks, anon) standing either stiffly in the background or lost in the front and probably another plane of existence entirely and sporting a soulless smile, Holly's autistic expression only having eyes for him in the first, blending into the background and looking like a blind granny demoness on drugs (the lantern is nice though) and Anna is a noble show-woman from Vegas with a scruffy, plastic bleach-blonde wig and too heavy make-up either third-wheeling them or being awkwardly sandwiched between them.
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it keeps happening
the hell of it is, even her normal unsmiling face is miles better than whatever this autistic shit is
i'd tell holly to love herself but what's the point? she hates everyone else too much
Holy shit anon he is literally a Babblong>>841484
Didn't Holly hate Jessica at one point too? Jessica seems to be the more conventionally attractive out of her friends, everyone else looks very homely. Holy shit… she's exactly like other cow narcs like Nemu, always befriending ugly people to make herself feel better and the prettier ones she'll talk smack about behind their backs, but then act like they're BFFs.
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Never 5get that Anna Prosser was Miss Oregon too, lmao. Considering her reaction to the blonde shepard being more popular than the black haired one was >this is just like highschool!!! the popular blonde girl wins!!! waaaah
because she thought the one with black hair looked like her, I can't even BEGIN to imagine the whining and insecurity she was having behind the scenes. Wonder if that played into it at all? Like Jared sitting next to both of them and still paying any attention at all to Holly is probably all he needed to do?
Also how mad is she that Anna turned out to be a cheating homewrecker as well and seems to have had little to no consequence vs Holly. I bet she's fuming>This is just like highschool!!! The popular pretty girl wins!!! and I get bullied!!! waaaah
and doesn't think her horrible attitude comes into play at all.
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It's 1000% this.
Have we ever seen Anna and Jared together without Holly? I don't think she lets them be alone at all.>>841615
You realize the mods of the Discord/Reddit lurk here, right?
Also there is a new post on PJ2 filled with incel logic and digging up LJ posts of Heidi from high school. The op even talks about how he trusts no women.
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Holly submitted the most unflattering Strix picture of herself to an article where she knew she'd be featured with more attractive cosplayers, like Chloe Dykstra. Spoilered because no one will want to look at it more than once.
It's obvious she compensates for her insecurities by making her DCA self-insert ugly. Then criticisms of her looks in Strix cosplay become praise for doing such a good job playing "Let's Pretend I'm an Ugly Trash Witch (When Really I'm Cute UwU). If she's not in cosplay, then she compensates with the ridiculous "I'm too quirky to smile and look straight at the camera" faces.
Love especially the>you are shitting up the thread. Either give the milk or shut up flying monkey.
post isn’t saged. Poetic cinema.
This is even too kind because her character is either
1. Cowering in fear
2. Screaming in fear
3. Yelling about making pies
4. Being gross aka trash witch
I thought you were talking about Holly but then I went back and saw that you said Strix. Strix really is nothing but a self-insert. Girl doesn't have a creative bone in her body.>>841574
She looks like an embarrassing grandma chaperoning her daughter to prom.>>841653
It is pretty autistic to announce that you're baiting in a place where the people you're baiting will see.
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Huh. Seems she's attempted to exploit emotionally vulnerable people for her own gain before. Fancy that.
Maybe that's why she claimed to only ever be attracted to Jared and not her own husband. It's because Jared probably gave in (or led her to believe he gave in) to her every whim and went along with whatever she wanted to do. She likes having power over people weaker than her, because she herself is so phenomenally mentally and emotionally fragile.
It seems like anyone who corrects her, challenges her, or calls her out on her own shortcomings or misdeeds gets demonized in her own mind.
Besides, if Jared was being so "abused" in his relationship with Heidi, you try to help them out and get them to a better place. You do NOT have sex with a confused & emotionally vulnerable person trying to leave a relationship. Unless you're a fuckin' monster.
Think about it: she essentially is continuously admitting that she took advantage of an abuse victim
But don't you know? You must free
a man sexually in order to rescue him from his bitch of a wife! uwu
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The discord is very boring, just a bunch of wk's sucking Holly and Jareds dick. They did recently ban the clown emoji though.
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Odd how barren the discord apparently is when you see WKs saying shit like this like it's definitely going to happen…
I'd like to know what kinda shit they have on Heidi that proves that she's 100% the perpetrator in this situation, since they act like they're so
sure that what they have on her is absolutely going to bury
Unless of course this is all just another
way to gaslight Heidi into having a public breakdown; notice how they're keeping tabs on her s, since they know how 'mean' she looks when she's upset.
We're watching a bunch of grown-ass people torment a broken & traumatized woman here. I hope that Holly & Jared realize that.
And they'll have to live with that for the rest of their life knowing that they did this to, not just her, but several others. They can try their hardest to convince themselves that they didn't, but they know
Holly didnt exactly keep quiet, Holly's fake uwu mental health persona cracked and showed her true abusive
self who clearly is not mentally stable with control issues and not respecting boundaries. Holly likes to blame Heidi for all her problems, no Holly you made yourself look bad. If she was smart she would of had went to a PR firm in the beginning to handle her mess but probably wouldn't allow that because of her control issues plus she probably thinks she could manipulate people like she always done in the past.
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How does Propedo's face legit look like the moon emoji?
Also, holly is always pulling such retarded faces. those two lying, cheating uggos belong together
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The moon doesn't have a nose like Jared's. Holly thinks by degrading her appearance it means she is homely therefore innocent, when there are plenty of people who are just ugly inside and out.
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So I know this is technically mostly a Holly thread and sorta DCA, I feel this somewhat fits. If not, sorry. Geoff (Anna Prosser's ex) has died suddenly.
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Anna's Instagram post regarding Geoff
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This seems to have deeply affected Christina
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jfc, this is just so, so sad.
>"We didn't get our happy endings"
Fuck. That solidifies this >>841912
dear god, this is terrible. i can imagine this poor woman's grief, i hope her other friends are there for her>>841924
dan has a fucking problem. he's on holly's twitter day in and day out literally telling people he'd "be in line for pissing on their corpse" while hoping she fucks him some happy day. he's starting to look like a fucking sociopath.
oh - my bad anon! they're all beginning to merge into one malevolent entity with how they all sound literally the fucking same
it's up on holly's "pigeon shat on me" tweet
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Cristina seems to have been friends with him or close with him since before all of this drama went down and prior to the divorces. No one was divorced yet as of Feb of this year, right?
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And another from Feb 14th
I actually feel WORSE for Cristina now because it seems like their friendship was genuine and not just a product of a cheating spouse support group.
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Wow, these guys have no tact huh?
Well they learn it from the best
Has holly posted? I’m waiting for her to make this all about her
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With how unfiltered and quick-to-tweet Cristina is when she's in the heat of the moment… I find it somewhat telling that she isn't going after Anna for tweeting about this (like we would expect to see with Holly/Heidi). It makes me wonder if maybe Anna hadn't been cheating on her husband; but Nate had unrequited feelings that Cristina found out about or something.
I'd expect Cristina to have gone on a tirade against Anna about her tweets regarding Geoff given how visibly upset Cristina is at his passing.
"Explosive" isn't the right word. "Unfiltered" is more what I would say. I've followed her for a long time (before any of this ever came to light) and I've seen TONS of times where she'll go into these "stream of consciousness" tweets about one issue or another; which usually ends in her deleting a lot afterwards. It isn't exclusive to just drama or negative things, either. She just NEVER seems to hesitate tweeting out EXACTLY what she is thinking at any point in time.
Though, another thing that I'm kind of noticing is the similar phrasing between Anna's statement >>841976
and the statement on Geoff's page >>841881
- It almost feels like Anna might have written it. I wonder if they were actually still somewhat close or at least cordial.
She was still his wife, right? I don’t think the divorce would have been final yet. It wouldn’t surprise me that she’d know ahead of people.
That said, her statements felt… scripted? Idk it may just be in comparison to Cristina’s but hers sounded like.. obligatory. I hope I’m not projecting?
you're not alone in thinking her statement seems perfunctory. that said, it's not really fair to judge only based on this, because she seems a larger/more public personality than the other DCA numbskulls, and far far more adept at PR. sure the statement seems calculated but being a public personality usually means you put out statements more like this and less like "i was proteeecting a friiieenndd uwuu"
i mean, i totally understand cristina's grief, and it's a terrible, terrible thing to see her publicly break down like this, but had she had someone managing her public image i doubt that's the kind of tweets she would be sending out
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More obvious things that show that Strix is a self-insert and Holly is self-absorbed.>>842005
It feels lifeless (no shitty pun intended) and unfeeling but we can’t imagine what Anna may be possibly going through. She may be devastated, she might not care. It probably was written by a PR agent.
I agree with this. She's nice, but she definitely tweets everything she feels.
What I want to know, is if this will prompt jared into coming out of hiding and tweeting. This was his coworker's husband after all.
I'm wondering that too. Even Ross had something to say, and I don't think he had as clear of a connection to him as Jared or Holly. (Unless behind the scenes.)
Sickening, but if Jared wants to break his silence, this would be the perfect opportunity for him because it'd be somewhat of a shield from the hate.
Whether genuine or his own gain, I wouldn't be surprised to hear from Jared on this.
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Damn seeing how upset she is really hurts. I had no idea they were so close…
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Ross even responded to Anna's post.
The only people who have yet to issue a statement (that I assume knew Geoff in a similar capacity) are Jared, Holly, and Nate. Though Jared hasn't tweeted in over a month and Nate rarely uses Twitter. Really REALLY shocked we haven't heard from Holly yet though. Maybe she has more spite towards Anna (and Heidi supporters like Cristina) than she lets on.
at this point, her twitter is an incessant cycle of 1. generating drama and 2. trying her hardest to distance herself from said drama. even an absolute moron would learn after 2 months of the same drill kek
it's shitty as fuck to not pay condolences for the death of someone you knew just
to avoid backlash, but it's all she's got at the moment so i'm like 90% sure she'll cling to it
but hey if she proves me wrong, more milk for us, yes?
She's obviously a very skilled manipulator. She's been practicing since childhood, and clearly hasn't learned (through therapy and personal growth) that it's not okay to treat other people like shit just out of personal insecurity.>>841930
Geoff wasn't a woman, though. incels don't care about tearing down other men. only the women who have "wronged" them by embracing their own sexual autonomy and rejecting their creepy advances.>>842059>my valentine
ouch. I don't know anything about him, but this one really hit. I feel so bad.
I imagine it'll be more like "Geoff, it's a really rough day today and I could really use your support, but you're gone now and I'm all alone"
Y'know, find a way to work in the divorce and somehow turn Geoff's death into something affecting her and only her (even if the two spoke mere words to each other over the years, she'll make it seem like he was OH SO IMPORTANT to her)
I wouldn't say "hilarious", but it would definitely be par for the course with her antics.
Nevertheless, as cheesy as it sounds, my thoughts are with those who actually KNEW Geoff because, from the sounds of it, he was actually a pretty great guy and will be missed.
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How is it off topic? DCA’s a part of the thread, and obviously Holly and Jared were wrapped up in all the cheating.>>842090>>842095
I totally get where you’re coming from, but at the same time there are elements of this thread that are a complete anomaly for this website. Like, this place hates everyone, but to see everyone so vehemently rally around and support Heidi is….dare I say, heartwarming? Comforting? Same with this situation, rallying around and supporting those who cared about this person who seemed to have been much loved and certainly didn’t deserve what he had to go through. The fact that farmers see and are moved by two people connecting over a traumatic situation is again…a heartwarming anomaly. I don’t think I’ve ever seen this site so protective of people,
and ready to pounce at those who try to disrupt the necessary healing (and now mourning) process.I don’t think we should try and limit that empathetic vibe. Anyways, pic related (this thread, currently)
I didn't see it but it's not like I was constantly refreshing Heidi's tweets. I first checked Geoff's twitter when this >>841879
posted here and just later saw one tweet from Heidi that's still there.
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>me being alive is enough, uwu
If holly has an IQ of at least 1, she’ll keep her “woe is me” mouth shut today.
Unfortunately, after seeing how she handled Etika’s Death (and she didn’t even know him), I don’t have a lot of hope for that
They were together for 13 years and she cheated on him months before his sudden death. That's gotta be affecting her emotionally.
He was streaming Friday night and didn't let on that anything was wrong, so it seems unlikely he was hospitalized. Did he ever talk about health issues? This whole thing is weird, fuck.
Yeah, I do. His family was religious and he had a strong dedication to keeping up appearances. Even when he was deeply suffering internally.
Maybe it's an illness like they said. But without details, it sounds like a cover story. 33-year-olds don't suddenly drop dead very often and it always seemed like Geoff was a healthy guy.
can i ask why? this moralfagging is a bit much
i don't see what's wrong with wondering how a healthy and active thirty-something is suddenly very dead
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and of course
Nayrt but I agree with >>842182
to an extent, not judging anyone but it just feels disrespectful personally to speculate about it. His family likely have their reasons to keep it at "sudden illness". I don't want to pry further.
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the trash bitch has been online.
It's fine to wonder - It's another to publicly speculate when they've been dead for less than 24 hours. Give the family and friends some time to grieve without running off with "Well, was it suicide?? DID THEY OFF THEMSELVES???"
That shit ain't cool and is borderline Holly wk territory of insensitive.>>842191
She needs to leave her mouth shut. This isn't the time to make herself be the center of attention if she ever has hope of having a career or friends in the industry again.
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>Nobody should bother her on Twitter
Nah, they're all too busy harassing Heidi for expressing sorrow. One of the first comments I saw was this one
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Fuck me running, she's actually doing it.
She's actually doing the "woe is me" shit while her friends are mourning the death of another friend.
Holly has hit new levels of scumbaggery and is possibly the worst person I've seen in a very long time.
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Plus apologies don't mean shit when you continue to do stupid shit without thinking and then think that as long as you apologize later, it's all okay.
You have to learn to not be such a dumbass later, and it's clear that Holly hasn't learned that lesson and clearly doesn't even have a shred of sympathy for what anyone else is going through besides herself.
Give it time, the day isn't over yet.
Someone with as little self awareness as she is will definitely run a little long at the mouth eventually
Do we have a bingo card of her excuses she loves to use?
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Do you even know what you're apologizing about, Holly? You said it yourself that apologizing just to placate "is not sincere or kind." Of course people aren't going to believe you if you don't actually take responsibility for the apology.
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Look at that, we all have several bingos.
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>Well, I asked them to stop once - that applies forever, right?
Fuck off, Holly. Not today, genius.
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yo can we stop tipping?
just because farmers weren't impressed with the discord announcement doesn't mean you go running off to holly to try and shake her.
she did say she was only sorry about her timing
when she jumped on Etika's death. not that she shouldn't have said anything at all. So she's probably just going to wait a few days to a week before making it about her. she doesn't see anything wrong with that, just the ~timing~
Holly may just be spending the time to triple check what she’s going to tweet won’t be too awful sounding
Normally I’d be fine with that but if you have to spend this much time to express condolences…
Right? It takes all of two seconds to type "So sorry to hear of Geoff's passing. He will be greatly missed, my thoughts are with his friends and family"
Who has to take 7-14 hours to think of that??
Since when has Holly ever done as someone else asked? I mean, Heidi asked her to not fuck her husband and look how that one worked out.
Holly does whatever the fuck she wants and then expects everyone else to clean up the destruction she leaves behind.
OMFG you summerfags this is the reason you don't cowtip. making people like dan, jessica, denica look better than you - i hope you're proud!>do not prod the cattle>observe from a distance>harvest milk>profit
it's not that hard lol
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The zabb account doesn't exist anymore, but people are still going. I understand people want answers but Holly isn't going to respond to anything honestly anyways.
not to mention this kind of legitimizes her wolf-cries of "harassment!"
this helps no one and it's kind of a rather scummy thing to do, just making fake accounts day in and out to bombard someone who doesn't address you while you're instead forced to apologize to her watchdogs.
i know this is lolcow but still kek
some farmers feel the need to defend heidi and prove holly wrong. i get it.
however, that is not what lolcow is for. the site, let alone this thread, is not the heidi defense squad. heidi is a grown ass woman who can defend herself. holly is a grown ass woman who can defend herself. we are all just spectators enjoying the bumpy ride.
Oh I agree, she most likely said it just for the sake of going "See? I told them not to do it, so it's NOT my fault! uwu"
…But if these WKs even care
about making Holly & Jared look good, then they'd stop harassing people & acting like they're officially
speaking on her behalf. Aside from it looking embarrassing as hell, it makes Holly look like she's only pretending
to be 'over it' when she's actually instructing them in-private (Which Jared's apparently been doing given the Unogirl-shitshow)
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C'mon now, you remember the cardinal get-out-of-jail free card, Anon
I think it's because Holly told Ross, Heidi is an abusive
person without including to tell Ross that she also wants to fuck Jared and dump him. Ross saw how Holly was affected severely by Heidi's "abuse" of a Holly's dear friend so of course Ross wasn't going to like Heidi. I know Ross hates Holly's mother because Holly told him how her mom abused her so I can see Ross hating Heidi too from Holly's smear campaigns.
Ross is trying to avoid drama. If he began to follow Heidi after all of this it'd put unnecessary attention on him.
The fact that he spoke out about it, thanked people for support, and asked for his privacy without even mentioning Holly or saying she didn't cheat on him is the more telling part. He could have easily said "Holly and I were already separated at this point" but he didn't because it isn't true.
Fuck off to your fakeboi thread with that garbage. No one wants it here. This sort of conjecture is more boring than following Holly’s WKs.
Besides, if Heidi pitied anyone, it was Jared. Nulyu is at least attractive.
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>"Not the time"
…Later that same day
This is heart breaking that I find another on of my favourite sc2 caster dead from this forum. Holy shit.
I fucking hope Anna kills herself. The shit she put Geoff through, and he was too nice of a guy to say anything out in public of her cheating. This is bs that she gets away with it and he is literally dead(calm down)
Woah woah, let's not go wishing death on others like that
>The shit she put Geoff through
Care to elaborate?
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It's time to go outside, anon.
Geoff was incredibly sick and was hospitalised not that long ago for an infection. He missed out on casting a few tournaments and only 2 weeks ago he had to cancel another to the Netherlands.
I guess the surgery didn’t work. I’ll try and find his post about it on Twitter. He also stated it on his stream and also to Rotti who was one of Geoff’s closet mates.
And I hope Anna suffers with her guilt. Though, she seem utterly heartless anyway.
I still have a tinfoil going that WKs changed tactics and trying to stir shit here by spamming ott "theories" about what Holly might spew next and posts like >>842525
. Along with the discord baiting. It's been kind of ridiculous since the start of this thread.
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>I hope Anna suffers with her guilt
Calm it down, edgelord. We get it - Anna is a terrible womenz in your book, but jfc, you wished her to kill herself and now hope she suffers.
Get the fuck over yourself, jesus.
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Holly's not going to say shit about her divorce. First of all, in her mind the day they announced the split on Twitter is the day it was final because that maintains her mental narrative of "I never cheated on Ross".
Secondly, today was the earliest it could be final, but it's still unresolved. After she mailed Ross the divorce papers in March, he never did anything. So she submitted a form on July 12th to prove the divorce is uncontested, but it was rejected. She must have missed something else she needed to file, or filled it out wrong. Neither of them are using a lawyer, and apparently Ross's participation in this process has been "Want to divorce me? You go do that. Not my problem!" since he never filed himself, and never signed and returned the paperwork from March.
Nah, Holly just talks about killing herself, not anyone else.
Note: I hate Holly with just about every fiber of my being and I still wouldn't wish on her what Anon wished on Anna.
This is also why I don't understand the narrative that Holly's side has of "Jared wanted to file for divorce but Heidi wouldn't give it to him!"
Like, you don't have to get your partner to "give" you a divorce. If you want to be divorced, you go down to the courthouse and file the fucking paperwork - it's just that easy. If Jared wanted to be gone, he could have been gone ages ago.
"But…but…Heidi threatened to ruin him so he had to do it this way!"
Well clearly this way didn't work out too well for him either, did it?
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In Holly's recent likes on Twitter.
Oh, it's not like Jared was her LEGAL HUSBAND or anything. Not like there are LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS one can have for cheating on their spouse.
Yet she still doesn't understand why so many of us don't support her. It's not 'controlling' or 'abusive' to treat your husband like your husband, and create boundaries about what you do and don't accept in a relationship (especially about cheating). Bitch, what the fuck
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shit, dude. thanks for breaking this legalese down.
makes it really
seem like Ross was NOT on board with the divorce, and when Holly sent him the papers, he didn't want to deal with it. she forced it on him because of her need to be with her one and only ProBoner. if it was truly an amicable break, why wouldn't he just sign and send them? seems more and more that she cheated (even though we kinda been knew) and he just fucked off out of her life to let her scramble together whatever scraps were left after she ruined everything.
Enough with posting WK shit when it's not milky. We know Holly hinges on every dumbass tweet her moron fans make. I swear if I have to see Denica's full on autism stare one more time for no reason imma snap.>>842585
So what's the benefit of Ross refusing to sign the paperwork? If he has a serious gf it doesn't seem like he is hoping for reconciliation. Is he just making it hard for her because she sucks? lmao.
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Visa/Greencard stuff maybe? To which I say…..by all means, get SOMETHING worthwhile out of Holly, even if it's just a lil extra time to sort that all out. Not sure how any of that works.
From what I've heard, Ross took the whole divorce really rough (Sleeping on other's couches, being sad/depressed/mopey) while Holly was hopping on that PedoDick within a mere few weeks.
It really tells you which person gave a fuck about the marriage and which never did
To add onto that, she was trying to ruin PedoDick's marriage in the process. "Why isn't this marriage over yet? I'll kill myself if you don't end it!"
Marriage means absolutely nothing to trash bitch.
I already think Jared is a fucking idiot, but he will truly be the biggest idiot of all time if he doesn't drop her like a sack of a heavy bricks.
As sad as it is, the world will eventually forget about the underage inappropriate pictures (or at least move on from it) and he'll stand a chance of rebuilding his career. If he keeps Holly Hindsight around, though, she's just going to continue lighting fire to the kindling of a career that he lays down.
She's a cancer to anyone who hopes to be a respected member of the community.
>"People keep trying to take away Jared's choice & voice in the matter As if he was her pet or property."
> Liked by Holly
Well, Holly has definitely
treating Jared like that recently with all this speaking FOR him & organizing shit to make damn sure
he stays by her side…
Did you see how submissive he looked in that video with Holly? It looked like she had him on a leash ffs.
Funny how I keep seeing them ironically cite "Do as I say, not as I do!" when it comes to Heidi
no. he's got a permanent resident card (green card) that isn't affected by his marriage, I don't think. hasn't he been living here for longer than he's known Holly?
an anon in past threads said the only reason he hasn't become a fully-fledged citizen is because he'd have to give up his Aussie/Irish citizenship as a result.
He already is a dual citizen, of Australia and Ireland. I don't think a triple-citizenship is a thing. So if he wanted to become an American citizen, he would've had to give up one/both of his other citizenships.>>842668
I would imagine a lot of guilt tripping and woe-is-me-ing from her. But Ross could just come back with "bitch, you made your bed, now lie in it." it's her fault she's in this mess and has no one to blame but herself.
The funny thing is, Jared doesn't care about Holly nearly
as much as she thinks he does.
Yeah, but I mean, doesn't the guberment investigate that stuff pretty thoroughly? Like, with marriages involving citizenships don't you like have to PROVE you're in a real committed relationship with the person even if you're married? Like you have to provide wedding pics (i.e. an actual wedding, not just a courthouse quickie) and they interview friends/family who know you both that can vouch for the validity? Literally all they'd have to do is accidentally google her name to find more than enough proof that their relationship was real, which is partially why their split was later revealed to be so scandalous.
They got married in 2012, this post >>842625
is from ~2015. Meaning even after being married for 3 years, he was still jumping through the immigration hoops.>>842655
I get that Holly's a nightmare, but his is a pretty ignorant point of view tbh. Now is the worst time is recent history to have your status questioned in any way. Total tinfoil, but if anything this to me reads as extremely heartless and ignorant of her to not consider the danger she may be putting him in, especially as someone she claims to still care about. In my head I'm picturing Ross being like>well, the woman I chose to pledge my lifelong love to may have betrayed me, humiliated me, psychologically abused me and broken my heart….but AT LEAST she would never force me into a compromising position that could directly result in me being thrown in a literal cage by ICE or forced to leave behind the life I've spent years building with the possibility of not being allowed back. No one would be that cruel.>what's this? a letter for me?
and holly being like>I need this divorce asap because it's really hard on ME to have to keep feeling guilty all the time :((( >ur abusing me by forcing me to face the consequences of my actions>self-care is freeing urself from the marriage you destroyed, so you don't have to feel guilty while you continue to fuck your friend's husband uwu
(again, all wild speculation)
What if you don't have money for an "actual" wedding because one of you isn't allowed to work in the States due to your visa limitations?
From experience I can say that immigration doesn't care unless you look fishy. If you live together, look like you love each other and all that they're probably not going to look further into it past casual questions about your situation.
No one's going after Ross, calm down. It's just interesting that he's refusing to cooperate with the divorce proceedings despite being done with the relationship.
I agree it's probably not an immigration thing, he's already got PR and was living/working in the US prior to marrying her. He probably just doesn't give a shit. Either that or maybe she's making unreasonable demands? I don't know how divorce in California works, is it no fault like Washington?
Him dragging his feet doesn't feed in to Holly's bullshit "He was totes okay with me fucking pedodick!" story.
Maybe this is Ross' way of "sticking it to the man" so to speak - and good on him, if that's the case.
I imagine this is just the most passive way of payback he can deal for years of an abusive
marriage that ended with her cheating on him. And it definitely indicates that their separation was not as amicable as Holly tried to paint it as being.
Bingo. He's just going along with her because she's desperate enough to fuck his pigeon ass.
Everything is on Holly's terms. She wants all the control. We've seen the video of them in Vegas. Who was leading? Holly. We've seen her poorly twist narratives left and right.
question - is there any way holly can claim ignorance about the "proof of service" wait period clause? because otherwise it looks like she's showing undue haste
to get divorced lmfao
i wonder what's lit a fire under her ass! i mean, if they're separated already, they're in different states, what is a mere 2 more months?
If people were willing to run it, then I could write a quick a dirty script to help compare his tweets. It would only be worth the effort to me if multiple people were willing to run it for both Jared and Holly though.
Code would be unobfuscated so that people could double check it for security, obvs. You'd need to keep a browser tab open and let it run in the background, it would be constantly scrolling to get older tweets so if you use a potato to browse the internet it could slow you down after a while. I think if you just let it run to archive back to sometime between 2015-2017, that probably covers all the potentially milky things, but if someone was really dedicated they could search back to when they first joined twitter.
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Old milk but I saw this on Tumblr & thought this anon was ridiculous.
The way that everyone is attacking the accusers is absurd. "Well, the minor lied!" Yeah, that's what minors do. They're kind of assholes about it - but Holly giving their contact information back to Jared so that he could again reach out to them? That crossed the line into predatory behavior.
PedoDick is going to have a real hard time claiming the "I didn't know they were minors! They lied about their age to purposely trap me!" defense when he was eventually told they were minors and still chose to reach out to them for a second time.
I think Jared honestly thought saying "18+ only please" and asking them ONCE about their age was sufficient, which it just wasn't. He could have asked for something like a picture of their id with non-relevant information (like address, name, etc.) blacked out, so he could just see the photo and date of birth. Or, he could just have NOT solicited nudes from ANYONE and just used the widely available, free, non-pedophilia porn like everyone else.>>842949
There was at least two, but both have since deleted their blogs which the WKs take as proof that they were lying (when it was probably because of the constant harassment)
>both have since deleted their blogs which the WKs take as proof that they were lying (when it was probably because of the constant harassment)
Also bear in mind that one might be taking Jared to court over it & was informed by their lawyer not to speak publicly about it anymore.
Honestly, the WKs fixation on the minors is low-key terrifying. What if it happened to an underage relative of theirs? Would they
be so demanding & dismissive towards them?
Oddly enough, Jared's apology to one of them not only confirms
that he had received nudes from them, but wouldn't him (or Holly) going around on this 'apology tour' count as witness tampering
of some sort?
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"see I'm a good person!!!" while the comment was unwarranted so was her response days after the fact
THat line of the thought (the "If I didn't save them, who would???") is one frequently used by adopted/foster parents that eventually abuse the shit out of their 'children'.
Trust me, Homewrecker, there are plenty of avian sanctuaries around that could tend to the birds. Plus, they're pigeons that are frequently in the wild anyway (not like they're giant parrots that are not native to the area), so I'm sure they'd be fine.
Please note: I'm not advocating they be taken away - but who is tending to them during her repeated mental hospital stays or trips to Vegas with PedoDick? Birds get stressed pretty easily with any change in environment
This! She unblocked Heidi so she could see that she posted that bullshit video, Heidi gave her the most epic of smackdowns, and now Holly is desperate for someone to coddle her and reassure her of her victim
status when - once again - it was HER that stirred the pot back up in the fucking first place.
Reality check: You're not being a bad bitch by calling out the "haters", Holly. All you're doing is proving us all right - that you're really a cowardly little girl who can't fight a fucking battle on her own without a horde of flying monkeys ready to attack those who dare oppose her.
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As if she isn't the one that constantly stirs it back up. To date, outside of her hospitalization early on, she has only remained silent on the issue for a grand total of 9 consecutive days.
Yep - You don't know if someone has blocked you until you go to their page or attempt to comment/retweet one of their posts.
The only way she could know is if she goes to numerous different comments, can't share/comment, and then goes to their blog and checks them out.
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She's actually going into the likes on someone else's post/comments and then examining their blogs to find out if they like her or not.
Out of all of the pathetic, attention seeking behavior that Holly has exhibited thus far, this has to be nearly the top of the list.
On the bright side, Jared is now stuck with this psycho. He wanted to be a victim
of abuse by a psycho so badly and now he really is.
I wouldn't wish abuse on anybody (been there, done that) - but I do think that Jared needs a reality check in the worst of ways if he thought that Heidi was truly abusive
If you think your wife saying "no, don't fuck someone else" is abusive
, get ready for "I'll kill myself if you don't do XYZ and IT WILL BE ALL YOUR FAULT!!!!!!"
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I hate to compare, but at least Heidi appreciates
the people who go out of their way to reassure her that things will work out for her. >>843020>>843065
Holly on the other hand has an entire horde of stans & WKs ready to defend her every move whenever possible, yet she still
seeks out hate. I guess just supporting her isn't enough. It's a shame they don't see how much she takes them for granted.
>at least Heidi appreciates the people who go out of their way to reassure her
Not even that - She acknowledges the GOOD, ignores (mostly) the bad. Holly is doing the polar opposite in that she only ever really acknowledges the bad, not the legions of good. It comes off as incredibly ungrateful.
>It's a shame they don't see how much she takes them for granted.
That's the thing - most of them, outside of being misguided by Holly's BS seem to be pretty decent people who honestly think they're doing good in trying to be supportive and positive. Holly is abusing that kindness like nobody I've ever seen before and it's going to CRUSH these people when she (or Heidi or Jared or Ross) inevitably fucks up and lets the truth slip
Also keeping track of how many people have you blocked or not totally
doesn't make you look insecure at all! /s
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Heidi's current likes: "Sometimes people call you bad to feel better about themselves"
Holly's current likes: "CANCEL CULTURE BAD" + video about how "we're all human", "people make mistakes", etc.
“Cancel culture is bad unless I want to use it cause I have mental illness and my birds and did I mention my mom?”
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The funny thing is, the person who made that video elaborates on why she made it; Try not to 'cancel' people for "small things" or "something they did 30 years ago"
This isn't true, you can have citizenship in two different countries. He can get US citizenship and doesn't have to discard his Canadian citizenship.
You just couldn't then use your Canadian passport to enter/leave the country etc.
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wow i thought you were kidding but it's real. christ, i hope her mental health tip is "go to an actual fucking therapist" instead of listening to her brainless ~mental health trash bird witch~ posturing.
i know Holly's got some truly awful WKs, but i just feel bad for her fans that aren't insane. i feel bad for her younger fans when they eventually realize that she's a piss poor role model.
How can you be a mental health advocate but stick the advice behind a $30 price tag?
"I won't encourage you until you pay me. Until then, suffer well."
I'm fine when the person charging is someone who is licensed or trained. I am not fine when it's someone who claimed another person (who might not even be mentally ill) was unfixable and did serious armchair diagnosing - oh, and openly threatens to commit suicide whenever things aren't going her way.
That's a Jim Jones level mistake waiting to happen.
Hopefully none of them drink the koolaid
this bitch is insane. i have no more hopes for an epic meltdown from her – she does this calculated hate campaign thing targeting herself
as soon as she sees the attention pan away from her even for a second. this is so deliberate and so incredibly bitchy i can't even kek
she is all kinds of stable – just a ghastly, ghastly person.>>843035
also can i just say about the pigeons - i'm glad that they're getting a comfortable happy life, but of all the bird causes she could have nominated herself to, why the fuck pigeons? pigeons are just as fine left to themselves, the biggest danger they face is probably crows. so her "defence" or her alibi of being a good person, rather, is that she cares for pests that will survive literally anywhere? (i say pests because so many buildings where i live have desperately adopted measures to keep out wild pigeons it's got so bad)
far be it from me to deny anyone advocating for the cause they feel the most, but this… weaksauce holly, doesn't magically make you an angel
>i have no more hopes for an epic meltdown from her
I think it'll just be lots of mini-meltdowns, unless Jared/Heidi/Ross drop a bombshell of information (with proof) that she just can't explain away with "HEIDI WAS ABUSIVE
There's general avian rescues, and I'm sure somewhere there's someone who specializes in rehabbing pigeons, but as another anon said pigeons typically do quite well when left to their own devices. Even if the ones Holly rescued hadn't been rescued in time to get medical care (which is sad, don't get me wrong), it's not as if the entire species would go extinct or something. She's not single handedly saving Pigeons all over the world.
The hobby itself is fine - Acting as if she is the only person in the world who could possibly tend to a sick/injured bird is not.
She's placing WAY TOO MUCH self importance on herself.
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Hey Holly Homewrecker, people aren't mean to you just to feed into cancel culture and it's not because you're mentally ill.
It's because you're a fucking idiot who treats other people like shit, uses them to get what you want and then discard them off to the side without so much as a thought for their thoughts/feelings, and do the very things (like cancel culture and armchair diagnosing) that you would rip someone else apart for doing.
TL;DR: People hate you for being a two-faced idiot.
Eh, only Holly I know offline was a very bookmouse-ish type of person who read Miss Manner's books for fun.
I think it's just the internet Holly's.
Holly:>Stigmatizing mental health is bad! Heal, don’t hurt!
Also Holly:>Heidi has BPD and is unfixable! Multiple therapists told me so.
Holly: She's unfixable
Everyone else in the history of forever: Well, if that isn't the pot calling the kettle unfixable, Ms. repeated-mental-hospital-admissions
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"So many adorable pigeons to meet"
Fam, they're fucking pigeons, please calm your fucking jets. That's like saying "So many adorable sewer rats to meet!" - They're JUST about as common in most places
Then again, sewer rats might be right up your alley - You're both just as dirty…
1. sage non-milk please, this thread is dead until holly starts shit again. let it lie
2. i don't know if we want every update on holly's life, and her twitter is currently public. this clogs the thread
(sorry for minimodding but this is shamefully thirsty)
(or is this a self-post? has holly gone too far?)
worth noting is that if this is her first public event appearance after the SHTF moment, it's in october
she is really, really hedging her bets isn't she kek
>i don't know if we want every update on holly's life
Considering this is a thread about Holly and what she'd doing, I felt it appropriate to discuss something she's doing here.>>843390
It's because that's a "OnE oF a KiNd lOvE!!#!1"
They're pretty common here in the US too, depending on where you live (They seem to be way more common in metropolitan areas like NYC, Chicago, and probably the PNW where Holly lives)
Like, great, you're helping an injured animal - I'm not knocking that. I'm knocking the fact that you've made it your entire personality and are acting like you're some sort of diety or some shit for doing something that anyone with spare time and cash for frequent vet visits could do.
They're pretty much pests in the US too. I'd put them on par with seagulls.>>843398>acting like you're some sort of diety
Exactly this. She only does it because she wants saint credit. With saint credit, people will ignore your wrongdoings because "she could never do such a thing!" Proof of this is when she said, "You guys know me, don't believe some stranger on the internet." Funny how she contradicts herself in that same line as she does every other time she's trying to make someone look bad to make herself look good. Thankfully the majority aren't as naive and retarded as she seems to think.
Very contradictory like the whole "If Heidi was abused, why'd she come back?" followed immediately by "It takes 7 times for an abused person to leave their abuser" bullshit.
It's like she has short term memory less or something and can't remember what she says from one second to the next, so she just blatantly contradicts EVERYTHING.
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I would have more sympathy for Holly if she wasn't constantly liking shit like this, once again painting herself as the victim of cyberbullying.
Like, bitch if you don't like what people are saying, block them and move on instead of continuing to wallow in your victimhood.
You made your bed with pedodick, now fucking lay in it.
I don't know how friendly she was to Geoff, if he was in the DCA victims
' club. Or maybe after Etika she's decided to not interact with anything concerning his death.
Holly lives in Seattle, where you can’t throw a rock without hitting at least five pigeons.
Most of the birds around here have some disease that causes them to lose toes too, so Little Miss Bird Mum should ideally be too busy “saving” them all to pout on the internet.
>this tinfoil hattery about motivations is pretty obnoxious
Do you just not understand the point of lolcow or…?
Holly very clearly does things that either makes her (A) look so good she gets pure praise or (B) look so bad that everyone rushes to her defense.
It's not that awful for those of us who've followed her bullshit to say "Hey, this feels off"(hi [cow])
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She has no personality and uses being a “bird lady” as a placeholder for that void.
To top that off, pigeons are commonly disliked birds so it probably just goes with her “trash witch” aesthetic because they’re not like those OTHER birds.
it could also be birds don’t really talk back and releasing the ones that don’t get along with holly is as simple as letting it fly away
Of course I could be wrong about this and maintenance for birds can be challenging as well
Not to mention that Pigeons are, as many other posters mentioned, commonly called "rats with wings" or are associated with dirty, trash kind of things.
Holly couldn't be pulling the "I'm not like other girls!" card any harder if she actually tried.>>843506
That's what I've been saying all morning - It's great that Holly's helping an injured/sick animal, but it's not something that elevates her to a god-like status. It's just something that decent people do sometimes, not something to do for recognition>>843508
50 is borderline hoarding, depending on how large of an area she is keeping the birds in.
>wanting to be paid for encouragement/mental health tips all because she has experienced mental health issues.
That line of thinking of hers is going to get someone hurt.
The projection is so strong
that anything they predict Heidi will do might
just be Holly's next course of action.
Sorry I deleted because I checked out that it's to help her pigeons. I mean, I'd like to nitpick her attitude that she's such a humanitarian, but that's been done to death. I mean, whatever, she can help a buncha birds that are so dumb they manage to get run over constantly in my town because they don't move out of the way. I mean helping any animal is nice I guess.
But you're right about how they ridicule things Heidi might do while Holly actively does it. If Holly was a saint she'd use her own money since, as anons said, they're fine living on their own (unless being run over). >>843534
Ironically, Heidi had posted how she needed to start a business and work since she can't just hang around on twitter and get paid. Meanwhile, trash witch was whining about outing the "TRUTH" killed her finances.
Sorry…typing like a tard today.
Also - I'm kinda excited to see what Heidi will start. I'm into her aesthetic and forest girl stuff. I hope she does more craft stuff to sell online.
Trash birds for a trash witch.
[I hope I'm not late]
this is genuinely getting ridiculous lmfao
>heidi is making and selling clothes>heidi is making and selling crafts>heidi is trying her level best to manage a solo life
meanwhile>holly is whining about not being able to stream>holly is whining about possibly going back to being a barista>holly is facing the terror of a normal self-accountable pedestrian life
so naturally that means:>heidi is desperate for money and will beg soon>holly is the personification of respectable self-sufficiency
it blows my fucking mind anon
She'll do well if she starts selling those little houses. They were really cute.>>843552
I can almost bet you that this is the reason why she chose pigeons.
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Area 51 is a big thing right now, so it's possible this is nothing - but knowing Holly's affinity for "show me them aliens", it's a pretty funny coincidence.
Pretty sure she gave her pigeons "pigeon pants" when they were indoors (they looked like cloth diapers) to prevent pigeon crap from going everywhere.
I think most of her pigeons have been kept outside in an aviary, which at least could be hosed down.
I don't think her cockatiel had pants though, but I'm not sure if it's because their poop is more manageable or that they just wouldn't tolerate the pants.
totally agreed. it's so weird. if you're choosing to keep animals, let them live the way closest to their natural lifestyle maybe? it's not quite on the level of feeding cats "vegan meal substitutes" but still weird enough that i'm questioning holly's animal care sentiments now
i do think that when she first moved to seattle, she made a huge deal about finally having a sufficiently large coop for her birds. like maybe if you had a more manageable number of critters you wouldn't have had to run a poultry-farm-level operation?>>843763
a lot of anons have estimated she has around 50 birds, we've already left "not that big of a deal" far behind lol
how do we know this, by the way? has holly ever mentioned this, or is this just an educated guess
The thing is, they're an invasive species. Unless she's saving super fancy pigeons, she's just supporting a devastating impact on the ecosystem.
Which I guess sums up her personality if you think about it.
Honestly, no bird expert here, but they look like regular ass pigeons, IMO.
Not knocking her for helping an injured/sick animal (to a degree, that's actually pretty cool of her), but when you get into 50+ birds, you have to realize that the 'too much' gene is taking over. There's just no way that she can possibly keep an eye on each bird individually to track their progress, health, etc. Shelters and avian rescues struggle with that many and there's numerous people whereas it's just Holly
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Granted, this was in 2016. Who knows how many she has now.
It's from this: https://ca.audubon.org/news/meet-youtubes-resident-bird-nerd
Gotta love it when Holly "UWU I CANT STAND TO BE AROUND ANYONE PRETTIER THAN ME" Conrad starts saying it's shallow to not like pigeons.
Well, if anyone's going to know something about being shallow, I guess it's her…
>actual animals out there that need our help and that are being killed off, like pit bulls
"Pit bulls are killed (wrongly) for being aggressive - my poor little uwu trash birds are unfairly discriminated against! It's so shallow!"
>she genuinely thinks she’s caring for a bird that has been cast aside because there are other more cute and popular birds
Pigeons have been cast aside because they're an invasive species that is not even remotely close to being at risk of extinction. Go to NYC for 20 minutes, they're fucking everywhere.
Most people would rather worry about shit that matters - environment, war, poverty, hunger, homelessness. Take care of the big shit first, worry about the little shit later.
Holly the Bird Mom is over here, focused on saving pigeons.
oh don't forget that if it's a cause that can actually make a fucking difference – for example, that indonesian foundation that recently for whatever reason picked her as an ambassador – her "support and activism" is limited to pathetic retweets. she wouldn't even write a single word from her side and she's a fucking ambassador. it's a small organization, they get barely 20-50 likes on their posts, and the ones holly has retweeted have received around 100-200 likes.
it's fucking pathetic that she can harp on day and night about>pigeons are misunderstood!>rats are our friends!>look at my borbs! who would care for them if not me their literal mother???? i'm going bankrupt caring for them!! not my fault i have fifty of them!!
and as soon as it comes to something that counts as legit action, she clams up. holly conrad is not a good person.
samefag but i'm dying anon
"pit bulls are ABUSIVE
because they screamed on the phone – i mean they BARKED at me! the horror!!"
This. If she's that fucking concerned about the bird issues in Indonesia, her ass would be on a plane, ready to fly out there and get hands on to REALLY help, as well as making her own posts to draw attention to the issue.
There's talk and then there's action - Holly is all talk.
Tangentally related but the funny thing about Holly being so asspained about pretty girls is the fact that she doesn't HAVE to be ugly. If she didn't style herself like a fucking autist and didn't make stupid faces every time a camera is pointed her way she would look fine. She could even get her lazy eye fixed with some surgery or therapy. It's not like she's fat or disfigured, she makes herself ugly by choice. It's like she hasn't grown out of being an ugly duckling in high school and instead of acting like an adult she chose to make it her entire identity so she could play the victim
about it forever. Her insecurities are literally self-made.
Worst part is sure she could have had this little quirk that would have been endearing if it was genuine. She uses those birds like fucking accessories , as a badge to say “yeah but I save birds!!! I can’t be bad.” Like how shallow
isn’t it to use living creatures as a means to look better as a person? I dislike pigeons but even I find that to be shitty.
Best part is that Heidi also has a quirk like her forest girl aesthetic and all that so no wonder Holly is that hateful towards her. Not only is Heidi prettier than her but she also has interest and talents that are unique and make her seem interesting so suddenly Holly’s birds aren’t the main attraction so Holly can’t compete with her anymore. Getting pedojared is her biggest accomplishment to “sticking it to the pretty popular girls”.
Yeah, she gets to know she ruined her career over fucking someone's husband who also exchanged nudes with minors
Take THAT pretty girls!
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Seriously, Holly could make herself look pretty by changing a few things. She already tried to make herself out to be a pretty nerd girl by wearing clothes that show her belly. Just the way she poses her body in her selfies you can tell she's trying REALLY hard to look pretty.
The thing is, she literally can put in the effort to look how she wants to. She's already got the body type she wants, she just needs to change her hairstyle, learn to do her makeup differently, and wear more clothes that accentuate her curves. She acts like she needs to be a whole other person, it's literally not that hard.
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I used to think she did her shitty hair herself, but I saw on IG that she does actually have a stylist….>>843817
Yeah I agree her clothes definitely aren't the problem, she dresses like an edgy nerd girl, which is fine. But the hair, eyebrows and makeup are what kill her appearance. ESPECIALLY her brows.
I went looking on google to see if she does have any pics where her makeup/hair are less shit and found this. Holy FUCK the strabimus in full force. I don't get why she doesn't get this fixed; most of the time glasses or therapy does the trick. It's not like she couldn't afford the surgery, either. Not like it's affected her ability to be Popular Online or attract men, but she's so insecure about her appearance it seems like a relatively simple fix.
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Samefag but I think she looks quite cute here, the hair helps.
In the end it doesn’t matter how she looks or changes her appearance.
We all know she’s ugly on the inside and that she’s never going to make an effort to change that.
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They wouldn't be too hard to fix either
I honestly don't think she can handle that many pigeons, especially after the Jared situation because she spends most of her time online looking for her and Jared's names on Twitter to pick fights.>>843846
It seems like the crazier she got, the less effort she put in her appearance. Lots of her old photos were really pretty but it seems to have taken a sharp nosedive somewhere in 2018.>>843836
Her eyes could sense her crazy a mile away and clearly tried to find an exit. Too bad they couldn't work together.
Well, she certainly can't say she spends her time doing streams - There's been ONE in at least a month and even then, she had someone helping moderate/run the whole thing. I get she isn't on DCA anymore, but one would think she could find SOMETHING D&D related to do.>>843846
That's just it. Holly could be the sexiest creature to ever walk the planet Earth - but she's shown just how ugly her personality is, which will outweigh physical looks every single time.>>843836>>843842
See here, she's actually really pretty, even with the lazy eye. The problem is she makes the godawful "uwu im so goofy" face in every single picture and then wonders why everyone asks if she's mentally challenged or something.
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So, two of Holly's most recent liked posts are about some show called "Tuca & Bertie" - Color me behind the times, had no idea what it was about so googled and found this explination on tumblr
> It’s a show made by an incredible woman ABOUT women, dealing with things such as sexual harassment and misogyny in a mature, real way.
There is a certain level of irony in Holly being upset over losing a show that discusses sexual harassment while still being madly in love with ProPedo who has sexually harassed women on numerous occasions (like the whole looking up nude photos of someone and then openly showing them off to other dudes directly in front of the woman)
(Saged for no new milk - just ironic)
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i'm not sure i see what the other anons mean by calling holly "really pretty/really cute", she is average at best. let's not ignore the super heavy filtering and posing that goes into most of her selfies, all her non-front-cam pictures show clearly how blunt and round her features are.
pic related – what is this lmao
she just mostly knows her angles and is clever about tilting her face/filtering herself to hell.
however, i agree with >>843846
, she could look like a 9/10 supermodel and i would still hate her guts because of how absolutely, irredeemably awful she is
>>843836>But the hair, eyebrows and makeup are what kill her appearance. ESPECIALLY her brows.
I think the worst of it all is the unavoidable crazy coming from her eyes.
Can't fix that.
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One of the things I don't understand about Holly's "abuse" from her mother is that she's very wishy washy. In a lot of articles, she seems to enjoy time with her mom, but on social media she often spouts verbal and sexual abuse. You'd think that birds would trigger the hell out of her since it reminds her of past-times with her mother and how easily she screams abuse with a raise of a voice.
I found one article where Holly said:
>"My Mom has had MS since I was born,” Conrad explains, “so she can’t walk and hasn’t been able to walk for my whole lifetime"
And an instagram post of hers where she says
>My actual mother suffered from mental illness and MS, she stopped walking when I was 3 years old
Apparently, Holly's been a fucking liar for a while now - when the little lies (like about her mom never walking one minute and walking until she was 3 the next) worked, she just progressed to major ones.
Maybe she has two moms? Adopted/Auntie type and bio mom? Might explain the strange word choice of "actual mom."
Also sounds like she's confusing the stories between two different women.
It’s common with people who have parents with degenerative diseases that mess with mind and personality, like dementia and alzheimers, to say they “lost their real parent years ago” to a disease.
I’m not too familiar with MS but that’s probably what she meant.
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This is off-topic, (not Holly related) but has anyone else been following Arin’s new public fascination with drinking? He had a very holier-than-thou attitude towards drinking/drugs a few years ago, and now that’s out the window. He’s been streaming drunk and tweeted this recently.
I think he just had no interest prior to this, I have friends who didn't start drinking until they were late 20's/early 30's bc they aren't as uptight.
Plus with Ross being more of a presence (along with the other young workers) and them liking to drink, he might feel a slight pressure? Since Dan doesn't drink either he didn't have much of a reason to try before.
She says "actual mom" about her bio mom and in that article speaks of her grandma who was more of a mother figure to her growing up - but in the examples used above, she's talking about her bio mother both times.>>844108
That would seem feasible, but Holly will praise her mom has being supportive every time and then in the next article, talking about how she was a caretaker not a daughter and that it was all abusive
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Out of 55 replies, there was only one iffy comment - so Homewrecker must be back to blocking anyone who dares say something she doesn't like
Well apparently her mom crashed her wedding and upset both her and Ross so either she had other shit going on or was indeed an alcoholic. I don't remember the details. >>844198
Or just some mascara and someone who knows how to wax her brows. She's had these sperm comma brows since forever. Do they actually grow like this or has she managed to not improve drawing them on in like a decade.
Don't really doubt the mental illness part, as that can run in families or even the MS - but when one minute, it's "She's never walked!" and the next it's "She walked until I was 3" - or "She was super abusive
" to "She was super supportive"?
The severity of the illnesses is definitely in question.
It's her flying monkey club, Holly is still angry at Heidi and wants to destroy Heidi without looking bad. But like another anon said people who are toxic
themselves probably can relate to Holly more therefore take her side therefore it might not be her, but I wouldn't doubt it is Holly.
it was a really retarded discussion on the morality of outing someone's nudes online.
one genius started talking about how "celebrities have it so much worse than literal nobodies if their nudes get leaked" and the other genius, who also goes by u/wiklr on reddit, started a rant on how that is absolutely wrong and misguided, and wanted "facts and citations on this? any names?"
the first dude started exclusively responding with "why are you so hostile dude what's wrong with you"
>goes on for a solid while>everyone else is facepalming and asking for a timeout>the wiklr person, a moderator of the discord AND incidentally the projared2 subreddit, refuses to take the personal tiff onto DMs>everyone is cringing>wiklr ends with "I wasn't being hostile, I'm sorry if you took it that way"
i don't want to post caps because there is nothing to be gained from it except an elevated blood pressure
doubt the wiklr person is a sock. she has a fairly long presence on reddit (since 2015) and her posts show interests and language that differ widely from holly's.
just a loon lmao
Nah, I'm gonna have to disagree. I looked into u/wiklr too a while back when I saw the subreddit and it seems like a pretty reasonable Alt if anything. I don't think it's TOO far off from Holly, but whatever.
Saged because who cares about that shit.
agreed, actually. not to mention that if the mods are dedicated and lurking here (both of which let's face it yeah), they can try to pinpoint which members log on after a vaguepost is made here and identify those as lolcow anons. might be useful to keep in mind for the next time we want to tear our hair out over the stupid things that go on over there?>>844229
just looking out for fellow anons but the world is your oyster if you'd rather i didn't
This! I would like more milk without being involved with in their flying monkey club but most talks about the discord have been pretty unmilky and just manure.
saged because it is shitty(lolcow.farm/info)
That was not her mom, it was her dad's wife (different person). Apparently her dad got remarried after she was an adult and I don't think she has a relationship with this woman.
She described her dad as "dumb, really dumb" from doing so many drugs or something.
Agreed. We aren't supposed to be talking about them anyway unless it's milky and anon was just wasting our time.>>844262
I think she strongly resents him for leaving and that's why he's "really dumb". She used to praise him in articles too up until he vanished with no goodbye.
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saging for no milk, but this is hilarious
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I can't tell if the trolls are getting better or her fans are just that oblivious.
"the abyss will also gaze into thee" kek>>844337
omg, i'm so happy she's taking requests! i hope she covers "how to gaslight someone until they explode and then call them unstable/BPD", but if not, she can at least try "refusing to take responsibility to avert your eyes from your own monstrous actions"!
"How to gaslight 101: Making Yourself the victim
in EVERY situation"
"how to sincerely apologize and take responsibility for your own harmful actions"
or better yet, "How to stop being toxic
to those around you because of your mental illness"
Holly could never teach that class.
After all, "she's sorry, she's mentally ill"
"How to pretend you are feminist but still passionately hate women who are more attractive than you."
"How to make it seem you are into social justice while having a personal incel army."
"How to be asexual and then desperately beg a pedophile to date you."
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some of these sound like they really could either be a dig or an honest suggestion
lmao people do not
like her anymore
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Found DanDan the Man in the discord he claims to not be a part of
Hey Holly: talk about how people who are abused can come to inflict similar abuse onto others! Especially onto those close to them!
Pain that isn't overcome is transferred.
Sage for non-milk, goddammit.>>844384
What discord is that?
That swordofHeidi is a parody account of a supposed Heidi fan. I guess they need to manufacture hate to keep making Holly to look like a victim
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>not specifically about my situation
I'm fucking cackling. Holly's made like 20 tweets that have ruined many things.
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Learning to take a hard "No, don't fuck my husband" would've been an even more useful one.
she's not so subtly trying to make this mental health monday stream into a "woe is me" pity party for herself.
It's not even a widely applicable topic for most people. A lot of people deal with mental health problems and want to learn good coping skills, things of that nature.
But the topic of large internet hate mobs is such a niche topic. Unless you're a big social media influencer with a huge following, but most of her audience is just regular people with smaller followings.
the pj2 subreddit's discord>>844433
"I'm not going to deal with the drama stuff - except I'm going to TOTALLY indirectly bring up the drama stuff"
Jesus Christ, Holly - just say you're going to do an "UWU IM A VICTIM
" mental health stream and move the fuck on.>>844436
You. are not. a mental. health. professional.
I don't give a fuck if it's a stream or not - You're still selling "mental health tips" on your patreon and that's disgusting and fucking dangerous.>>844448
"NOT ABOUT MY SITUATION"
Bitch, considering your 'situation' is purely twitter shaming, it's REAL hard to believe this.
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Holly's liked post
We get it - You want to hop on Jared's PedoDick. You could tolerate everyone else if you really had to, I guess.
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Oh, the fucking irony…
Seeing how she glosses over things always reminds me of the 'narcs prayer' or whatever they call it:
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, it is not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did.
You deserved it.
Every bit of this. Holly knocks her Bio Mom for the narc like tendencies, but jesus if she didn't grow up to be identical. Everything is always Heidi's fault and what is actually Holly's fault is just everyone overreacting or she didn't mean it (because she's mentally ill)
If you look up narcissistic, there ought to be just a huge picture of Holly's goofy ass face listed.
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This is really what gets me.
She believes that just because her INTENTIONS were good (in her own mind), then the hurt feelings and fallout caused by it are irrelevant, because she "didn't mean it like that" or "didn't intend to hurt feelings" or whatever.
Unfortunately for her, good intentions alone are not enough to make our actions moral or excusable.
There are plenty of examples of good intentions having shitty results and consequences: Prohibition, introducing non-native species to an unfamiliar ecosystem, Zero-tolerance bullying, those ladies who "restored" that historic painting of Jesus, etc.
Holly needs to fukkin realize that her own feelings are not the only thing that matters here, regardless of her intentions.
She planted a shit-tree, and now she's upset that it's dropping shit on her.
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Friendly reminder that Holly's mental health counseling (the $30 tier) could be construed as illegal in the state of Washington since she's not licensed or employed under an agency as an agency affiliated cousenlor
Even if she doesn't view it as "counseling" and instead just as mental health tip, it's honestly the biggest rip off in the history of forever.
$30 for what? To be told "keep your chin up!" with the same generic message that she sends to any other person dumb enough to pay $30?
"Mental health tip"?
>tip - noun>1 : a piece of advice or expert or authoritative information>2 : a piece of advance or confidential information given by one thought to have access to special or inside sources
I think the law applies only if you're claiming to be a professional if you're unlicensed.
However, if she's made claims now or in the past about being a "mental health advocate" and the like, I dunno.. seems like it could very much come back to bite her.
Thirty bucks for an encouraging word, tho? What a bargain! GG, Holly! What a pal!
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There's just so many people in the replies to her tweet with legitimate mental health issues (PTSD, depression, anxiety, etc.) that are substituting some wacko with internet access for a licensed/trained mental health professional.
Personally, Someonee who in the last six months spent time in a mental hospital for suicidal ideation, is the LAST person who should be dolling out any kind of advice, other than where to find the best FroYo.
Her "tips" are going to get someone hurt.
Gaslighting 101: Why the man who received the nudes is ACTUALLY the victim
, and the minor is the one who should be branded a criminal.
You'd think SOMEONE would have the wherewithal to step in and tell Holly what a shitty idea this is and that it WILL wind up coming back to bite her.
I mean..people pay costhots $1-400 for what they can get on pornhub..what's so mindboggling about people wasting money? Lol>>844530
While he's not a 'victim
', it is actually 2 fold, since anyone underage is technically distributing child porn, which is illegal as fuck, so you actually CAN get someone in trouble especially if they don't know.
For those who lack reading comprehension: No I'm not saying Jared didn't know.
ntayrt but i agree. she has so many young and impressionable fans, as do many gaming/DND internet entertainers. she's really objectively not a good role model for mental health.
i think the intention of destigmatizing mental illness by talking about it in public spaces is good, and people should do that whether or not they're licensed as a counselor or whatever. what i hate is that she uses mental health as her entire brand, and implies that she's any kind of authority to help other people >>844436
lmao god what a fucking dismissive reply
i just don't understand when people want their mental illnesses to be their entire personalities. the point is that you're a person with human tendencies (good and bad), just like anyone else, despite your illnesses. i feel like this mental health "advocating" she does is some weird way of her compensating for personal issues she hasn't worked through yet.
sorry if i'm psychoanalyzing too hard lol, but as i've followed this cow it went from being mildly entertained to being actually upset by how she uses her platform
I think it’s…mostly cause holly needs something that makes her special otherwise it upsets her mind goblin on her average she is so as a result she leans towards that whole “mental illnesses” advocate
Like take a look at how upset holly got when female Shepard polling contest result was leaning towards the design that didn’t look like her
lol @ them calling Holly his girlfriend. she fucking wishes.
if they are still seeing each other, you know that shit won't last.>>844534
Someone cleared this up in the last thread or two: if a minor is sending CP to another minor and that second minor/their parents press charges, the first minor can be charged with distribution. If a minor is sending CP to an ADULT, as was the case this time, it's the responsibility of the adult and not the minor.
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>>844475>People keep drawing lines like "Heidi's doing her career thing, but Holly can't?"
Right, what career tho?? Heidi studied sewing, her career is sewing. She's continuing sewing. Holly's career was "be likable enough on the internet that people pay you". Holly can't do her "career thing" anymore because she was fired from that job for being bad at it. Why is that so hard for people to understand? If your job is to drive your own car for Uber, and you crash that car and destroy it beyond repair, you don't then go to Uber and scream>WHY WON'T YOU LET ME WORK!
i hope it does
come back to bite her but it's also on her fans a bit, if they want to pay 30 dollars for a postcard saying "keep your chin up!" just because this bitch will send it, then they can be my guest. it is
scummy though, it's similar to the worm dude asking fans for nude and them obliging happily while feeling like HE was the one doing them a favor. this is just a little more sfw.>>844649
i'm fucking howling anon
Omg Anon dont you know holly is totally a birb mom full time and thats a very hard time consuming job? People should totally pay her randomly for this very hard sacrifice to help the poor helpless birbs!
For real though, why does holly act and talk like she is 16 still?
Also I love that pic too and I third this gotta be the next thread pic
She should just get a career at a coffee shop like she said she’d be happy to have, or work at an active wildlife conservation center. The Seattle Audubon Society is hiring.
Holly would probably benefit from having a job offline and with her experience with and love of birds she could definitely do something along that path.
But she’s too much of a narcissist to even consider a career offline because she won’t be an internet celebrity.
I completely agree. Being a barista is beneath her now that dirty bitch, I mean witch and great value adventurer have a world to save. Making coffees for people or getting her self-inserts's dirt pie tickled in an imaginary world? It's easy to see which one Holly would pick.>>844769
So…still an annoyance pretty much.
If she had 1-2 pigeons, I wouldn't say shit. She has 50 fucking pigeons - That crosses the line from "this is a kookie pet but whatevs" and into the "Whomst the fuck needs that many flying rats??"
Also, feral cats are trapped, neutered, and released most of the time (some are sent to be barn cats); Someone doesn't hoard dozens of them while patting themselves on the back like the Patron Saint of Cats. Hoelly Homewrecker thinks she's some sort of god for keeping entirely too damned many and has made it the only "interesting" thing about her.
Nobody just has 50 feral cats - That's a situation where animal control needs to be called immediately as it is an unsafe environment for THAT many cats (let alone feral ones) to be in one area, neutered/spayed or not.
No one is being unfair to Holly here; We don't care that she has a hobby, we care that (A) she's essentially hoarding animals at this point and (B) she acts like she's one step from sainthood for doing it.
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Holly once again trying to pull the "uwu I moved for the trees" line of thought - when there are literally trees EVERYWHERE (like pretty much the entire state of Montana, for example) and she just HAPPENED to end up within a short car ride of her PedoDick lover??
sage for no milk but this interview is from a year ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTRpeCOEcUU
the comments really didnt age well
Does she let her pigeons out to fly, or are they all cooped up all the time? I only ask because pigeons have amazing internal GPS senses, they remember their roosts and return to the same place as long as they can. that's why they were used as messenger birds until the postal system became faster+more accessible. If she's keeping them locked up all the time, I'd say that's definitely hoarding, but if they're free to come and go, that's pretty okay as long as she keeps the roost clean.
Something tells me she keeps them locked up because "uwu I just love them too much to risk them getting hurt, even though they're wild animals!!! who cares if it makes their lives boring and sad and small? I need to keep them trapped so I don't feel so lonely, no one loves me but my birbs~~~"
That's the thing. She claims to need to be around trees, yet you never see one picture of actually in the vicinity of a tree (and Washington is kind of chock full of them; hard to miss 'em)>>844826
If they're injured or sick, I could understand keeping them "locked up" where she can keep an eye on them and ensure that if they're sick, it doesn't spread - but unless all 50 are somehow sick and injured at the same time, it just wouldn't make sense other than to fit her "uwu I'm saving the birds from big, bad mother nature!" narrative
I’m the anon who brought up feral cats. Just wanted to clarify that my statement was in no way a defense of what Holly is doing with pigeons.
She simply doesn’t have friends or neighbors who care enough about her to confront the hoarding.
It really depends on what kind of pigeons they are. I'm under the impression they're domestic pigeons and were once kept as pets, meaning they aren't wild and should not be allowed to free fly without supervision, and not all pigeons have a homing instinct, either.
Fun fact, most wild pigeon populations you see today are actually just feral domesticated pigeons. They aren't really "wild animals" anymore than a feral cat is. They can handle themselves alright but they were specifically bred for work or companionship at one point until they escaped or were abandoned. They're now considered pests much like feral cats are because they've carved out a niche that was never meant to exist for them.
Sorry for pigeon sperging, but Holly not letting her pigeons free fly isn't abuse if they were bred as pets. The hoarding definitely is, though, and she would need a rather large aviary for all 50 of them to get ample exercise. I don't think we've ever seen the size of her aviary or coop.
Ok this might be going too far down the autism pigeon hole but this is what I found for aviary sizes from here: http://www.pigeonrescue.org/birds/creating-an-aviary/
>An aviary 12′ long by 6′ wide by 6′ tall or more will house about 10 pigeons
Obviously kind of hard to eyeball it from a video, but while looking on youtube for aviaries I did find a video the builder took of Holly's aviary when he built it. If there were indeed 40-50 birds in there, it's probably too small. Here's hoping the one in Washington is bigger.
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Someone pointed out that the amethyst was actually something Jared bought because of the relationship between Diath and Strix
So that and the evil witch comment?
Double zing - Point goes to Heidi
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Keep playing ignorant about your actions as if the internet isn't crawling with screenshots of you playing the victim and weaponizing your mental health.
Her deflecting with questions is getting real
old. She’s like a toddler.
Anon, if you are linking to YouTube, put it in the box labeled YouTube when you submit.
"It's fun to play a disaster of a person." -Holly Conrad aka Strix
Straight from the cow's mouth at 2:17.
If any nonmobile anon feels like it, I'd live for a clip of that.
She's so exhausting. I don't know how Ross put up with her for half a decade without killing himself.>>845033
She literally just looks like a human. I would've never guessed she was a tiefling without knowing beforehand, thought it might be because it's a bad cosplay.
On another site, I heard this technique referred to as sealioning - a type of trolling or harassment which consists of pursuing people with persistent requests for evidence or repeated questions, while maintaining a pretense of civility. It may take the form of "incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate".
That fits Holly's M.O. to a T.>>845041
It's easy to ignore feelings of wanting to kill yourself when you're constantly worried about someone who openly threatens suicide on a regular basis.>>845041
Based on the thumbnail, she looks like a worn out junkie who has had one too many handles of vodka in addition to her daily heroin.
On another site, I heard this technique referred to as sealioning - a type of trolling or harassment which consists of pursuing people with persistent requests for evidence or repeated questions, while maintaining a pretense of civility. It may take the form of "incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate".
That fits Holly's M.O. to a T.>>845041
It's easy to ignore feelings of wanting to kill yourself when you're constantly worried about someone who openly threatens suicide on a regular basis.>>845041
Based on the thumbnail, she looks like a worn out junkie who has had one too many handles of vodka in addition to her daily heroin.
On another site, I heard this technique referred to as sealioning - a type of trolling or harassment which consists of pursuing people with persistent requests for evidence or repeated questions, while maintaining a pretense of civility. It may take the form of "incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate".
That fits Holly's M.O. to a T.>>845041
It's easy to ignore feelings of wanting to kill yourself when you're constantly worried about someone who openly threatens suicide on a regular basis.>>845041
Based on the thumbnail, she looks like a worn out junkie who has had one too many handles of vodka in addition to her daily heroin.
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Apparently Jared the ever eternal pussy is hiding out in another state.
How's that move working out for you, Hoelly?
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I see we're back on a self-rightous "I JUST WANT TO HELP….UNLESS YOUR NAME IS HEIDI AND THEN YOU'RE AN UNFIXABLE WHORE" kick again
No, no - this is her Mental Health Monday
She does mentally ill people the biggest gift of all: Telling them "Go see a therapist" for free!
It's honestly disgusting how she's preying on vulnerable, legitimately mentally ill people to get her warm fuzzy feelings now.
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it's good that she doesn't try to be random peoples' therapists (at least according to her), but it's still so weird to me that going to internet "celebrities" on twitch dot tv for mental health help is normal now. this should not be a normal relationship to have with someone on the internet. holly should know that.
also lol @ Holly trying so hard to justify this mental health monday shit when her own viewers want her to help them with their personal problems:
original tweet: "I want to bring back Mental Health Mondays soon, are there any topics you’d like to see covered?"
pic is a selection of replies. how the fuck could Holly cover a topic like…. postpartum depression? or LGBTQ+/gender identity issues? just….. lol.
She's the bitch that everyone else in group therapy fucking hates because it's all about her, all the time (rather than helping everyone hence the 'group' part)
>thinking she is doing this for others
I still can't understand what exactly it is that she thinks she's doing. If someone wants to see a mental health professional, they will - Someone going on a stream and saying "Hey everyone, go talk to a counselor mmkay?" isn't going to do a thing.
Put up or shut up, Anon.
Evidence or it didn't happen.
Give us some details then. What does this mean in context? What has he been charged with exactly?
It seems kinda early for a trial but idk how these things work. If he's on trial, wouldn't that info be publicly available somewhere?
Blow your cover? Seriously?
Just don’t say anything next time unless you can back it up.
I just did a cursory search for Jared's name in the Washington State Odyssey Portal. The website does not allow screenshots, but there is only one hearing connected to Jared's name: the divorce.
Case Number - 19-3-01109-31
File Date - 05/13/2019
Type - DIN Dissolution of Marriage with No Children
Location - Snohomish
lmao i love it. "source close to holly" like, discord level close? kek>>845253
this so much. it feels more and more like holly's one of those people who do everything for heinously selfish motives and think they're actually, legitimately doing it for the good of the world. this charade of ranting on stream for hours about how everyone should "go to a therapist. next" is just an excuse to A, virtue signal and B, make it all about how hard poor lil trash bitch has it.
the cherry on top is just her absolute lack of not only professional training but also basic human empathy.
I won't believe there's a trial until I see evidence, but what would lying about it accomplish? Jared, Holly, and their white knights all insist that there is no crime and he won't be charged with anything. Why would they lie about it to stir up opposite rumors?
If anything, saying that Jared is going to trial sounds like wishful thinking from someone who wants to see it.
This is a weird way to find out Holly screenshotted my twitter reply lmao
Yeah my words were unwarranted, but it's fun to know that it got to her and that she replied to a tweet made purely out of a spite.
Way to out yourself, Anon - not that hard to track down a tweet lmao
Also, ain't no need to tip that cow. Give it a few days and she'll stay something even more stupid all on her own.
Eh, I'm a neet nobody. If someone wants to dox me/harrass me I'd be glad to waste their time.
Also, wasn't tipping as I was unaware of this thread until today, but I'll remove myself from the drama and just watch now because hatereading Holly's unfiltered twitter and interacting with her fans probably constitutes self harm lmao(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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Holly: I need to be in a place with trees!
Also Holly: -goes to the beach, which she could've done by staying in California, mentions absolutely nothing about trees in numerous months, doesn't go hiking or anything unique to being around trees and nature-
That's my point. For her to claim that she moved for the trees, you'd think she'd be out experiencing that nature more instead of repeatedly going out of her way to avoid it.
Instead, she spammed a bunch of pics like you said which comes off as super unauthentic
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Holly fans when Heidi posts an update/picture of Aries: OMFG why is she deflecting? #fuckheidi
Holly fans when Holly posts a picture of the cat that she hasn't mentioned in months: -cricket noises-
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So, about that whole "spread kindness!" / "Cancel culture is bad!" thing, Hoelly….
Is that Holly's discord?>>845663
anon, few threads ago we said to leave the pets out of this. Is the milk that dry?
No, it's in the PJ2 discord that I have strong tinfoil suspicions Holly is hiding in (and KNOW that some of her biggest, most vocal supporters frequent)>>845681
I'm the anon above - and I didn't say shit about the cat itself. My problem is like that last anon said. Heidi gets shit on for sharing pics of Aries (which she does regularly) but it's okay for Homewrecker to post a picture of her cat (which, honestly, not a great pet for someone who has so many birds since cats and birds are notorious enemies, but it is what it is)
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Apartment therapy just ran a spread on Holly's home and an interview in which she goes over some of the reasons for the move. It's one of the more cringy interviews they have done.>https://www.apartmenttherapy.com/house-tour-craftsman-modern-trash-witch-nar-36589536
>confirms grandpa's house paid for Seattle home>Crashed with a "friend" the first couple of weeks>Strix costume is a centerpiece
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Cringy is right.
A divorce that she wanted so she could hop on a dick that belonged to someone else's husband. It should have said, "Holly Conrad wanted to start over but with someone else's husband, so she divorced hers." Also, the homes for her pigeons are hella small for that many birds. They have almost no room to even fly.
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The absolute state of her eyebrows though>>846006
I like the black house paint but something about the furnishing lacks harmony and I can’t put my finger on why.
If Holly's doing interviews, she might be staying quiet because of incoming traffic. Don't want to look like she lost her mind for two months straight.>>846011
Oh god, she even looks
like she's gone senile. Her beady eyes are too close together while her eyebrows look like they got a divorce. Why in the world are they so far apart?
>something about the furnishing lacks harmony
To me it looks like she just moved in and had finished decorating. It doesn't look lived in. I understand cleaning for the sake of an interview, but everything just seems too clinical. Doesn't she have a cat and a weasel?
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I think you meant to say Mickey not Andy but shit anon I'm dying that is spot on
karma will absolutely take a toll on your face if you try to get back at women for being "too pretty uwu" lmfao
>something about the furnishing lacks harmony
firstly, the dark-toned minimalist palette coupled with bright, ornate occultish motifs all over the place
secondly, the fucking tattered rags hanging all over the place. imagine having the cash to afford a large house and furnishings and then doing this. i'm seething kek
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okay sorry but>>846002
this video is insane lmfao>sweeping steps with a literal witch broom>"theming the whole house off of my DnD chracter (giggle)">wild-eyed playing the uke to serenade alarmed, fleeing pigeons
i hope she legit lives like this everyday, the cringe is unreal lol
>>846002>The Remodeled Craftsman of a Modern Trash Witch
Oh god, she identifies herself in public as a "modern trash witch"? She's how old? This is embarrassing.>>846036>wild-eyed playing the uke to serenade alarmed, fleeing pigeons
I'm dying anon, holy shit.
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She just had to throw in the face too kek
What in the actual fuck is going on with her eyebrows?? I'd like to rescend my compliment from earlier this thread where I said she was pretty. Jesus, that's the shit of nightmares.>>846019
>Don't want to look like she lost her mind for two months straight.
Too bad that that ship has already sailed >>846036
This couldn't make me cringe harder if that was actually her goal…>>846058
Even if she doesn't like her smile and wants to use that as the excuse for her always making that face, why the fuck can't she just grimace like every other functional adult on the goddamned planet?
>>846036>"theming the whole house off of my DnD chracter (giggle)"
Explains some of her freak-out. She lost all of what made Strix an actual character, and not just Holly wearing makeup and contacts.
Then her whole decorating scheme reminds her of what she lost. Kek.
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This sure aged well>BIRB MOM>>846036
That still looks like something out of a portlandia skit
I know it's beating a dead horse at this point but it's interesting to me how the only ”proof” Holly has Heidi was ”abusive
” was a few texts after their affair started behind Heidi’s back, there was no pre-Holly stuff.
Holly is what made Heidi and Jared’s relationship full of toxic
interactions, but Jared’s gaslighting and stonewalling is what made him abusive
. For Holly to continue an abusive
narrative for Heidi is both cruel and unusual, she gets nothing from it at this point. Even the people who believe her are only getting off on the thrill of a discourse adrenaline rush that online fighting gives their otherwise boring lives.>>846072
She looks like Snow White and a Dwarf had a baby and it looks like their dad
I kinda agree.
There was a pic of Holly as a toddler in a previous thread. She really did look like she had a developmental disorder.
If nobody posts it, I'll try to find it after work. No idea which thread.
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She can actually look like a normal human when she's not making one of her stupid face expressions, I'd even say she looks cute here
Anon, are you sure that the "after" picture on the right wasn't taken BEFORE the picture on the left?
I can't see Hoelly taking the time to rip out the walls of the front room/enclosed deck space like that.
Chances are the one on the right is the "Before" - and the one on the left is the "after" and that whoever she bought the house from sunk some money into it to sell it faster/for more money.
>>846142>Sold Oct 8 2018
She sure moved fast after separating from Ross in September.>>846147
This, also why would she have 2 junked cars in her front yard? She only owns a Honda Element iirc.
That's the crazy part, IMO. She and Ross would have had to IMMEDIATELY sell her grandpa's house (which typically takes a couple weeks to even get put on the market with photos, hiring a realtor, etc.), and the IMMEDIATELY find and then buy this new house (which is, again, a lengthier process).
idk, Maybe they made the formal announcement in September, but this reeks of something that Holly had been planning for awhile.
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The pic on the right is of the house next to hers. Street view doesn't go right in front of her house.
let's take bets. is all of the cash money the reason jared was willing to go from flings all the way, to "i'll leave my wife for ya babe"?
A, i wouldn't put gold digging past the creepy bastard after all the other shit he pulled. not to mention, he did say he's moved exclusively to twitch/streaming because it paid better. clearly money is important to this guy
B, all the "jared sent me nudes/fucked me" instances date from before
he and holly got "serious" (typing this out is disgusting me lmao)
it's beginning to convince me
And she complains about "lost income"?
I don't even think it was so much the money; I think he got sick of Homewrecker constantly threatening suicide so he tried to make a clean split - but when you've been fucking someone outside of your marriage who was once your wife's friend, it was doomed to be messy as fuck.
I honestly think ProPedo thought he stood a chance of having his cake (being married to Heidi) and eating it too (fucking Holly).>>846373
That's pretty much what's pissing people off. She complains about her "lowered income" but can afford to sell a $1.2 million house and move to an area that is equally expensive while not having steady, gainful employment in any way while most people in her fanbase are living paycheck-to-paycheck.
This was all possibly filmed just before shit went down in May.
The calander up in her office area is on April.
I have to wonder why apartment therapy decided to put this out now tho?
They always do, anon.
You don't see anyone who's actually poor crying about uwu their mental illness and parading it around like a badge of honour.
I'm pretty curious to see how Holly loses what little bit of sanity she has left when Jared finally does either leave her or comes out publicly and says that they aren't together (and means it)
If she's this pissed when she's technically "winning" him over Heidi, imagine how it'll be when she loses everything - and what kind of bullshit she'll release (unless Jared got her to sign an NDA)>>846406
I don't think anyone's saying she should feel bad about mentally ill - but the way she's weaponizing it and using it as a get-out-of-jail free card is just fucking disgusting and delegitimizes the struggles of those who are TRULY mentally ill.
>as evidence for alimony or something
Hell, her little twitter outbursts gave Heidi a leg up if she chooses to pursue things legally (Holly released texts she wasn't a part of which is #yikes, not to mention the constant libel of calling Heidi mentally ill and abusive
when she has no proof but word of mouth)
>There is no beneficial reason for Jared to be with Holly
There wasn't a reason from Day 1 other than a quick, easy lay and the knowledge of "I'm married and my wife lets me fuck other women". Then Hoelly went and caught feelings and the whole damned thing went up in flames.
>They probably even look cleaner than Garbage Pail Witch.
Less likely to threaten him with suicide or hold private knowledge of any pedophilic acts over his head, at least
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That's what I'm thinking. Even if he lOvEs Holly, she's been responsible for way too much damage to his career at this point (He did 90% of the damage, but her twitter outbursts certainly didn't help him any). He's doing the 'smart' thing by keeping his fucking mouth shut, but she just can't get out of the spotlight for 10 minutes.
I think he knows that at this point, Holly's privvy to too much that could lead to him being prosecuted (especially with the fact of underage nudes and that she gave Chai and Charlie's contact info to Jared), so he's keeping her close to cover his own ass, not because he actually WANTS to be there.>>846445
Because people drew attention to the fact that they were together. Some said that they had seen them together and said something to their partner like "Hey, isn't that projared?" and Holly/Jared immediately booked it out of the restaurant. That sounds to me like they're still trying to play the "we aren't together before Heidi and I are officially divorced!" card.
Eh, it's far too late to pull the "we aren't together before the divorce" card when Holly has already blurted out that they were in October long before he was divorced.
I don't believe that Jared loves Holly, I think he loves the idea of Strix and Diath being together. Jared doesn't seem to be the type to love anyone, he just wants sex and human trophies. I agree with you on the rest of what you said. Holly's responsible for too much damage but until she signs an NDA, he has to begrudgingly keep her around. He should probably put a muzzle on his bitch, though.
Watching his playthrough of Until Dawn and just the way he keeps focusing on the sex aspect indicates what he thinks about so much in his personal life
>He should probably put a muzzle on his bitch, though
Knowing Holly's penchant for emotional outbursts and then blaming them on being mentally ill, I could see her say "Fuck an NDA" and violate it on a regular basis, knowing damned well she can just throw some more of her grandpa's money at the situation. The only problem is that the same ProJared stans currently on her side will turn when she goes after or harms their precious PedoJared.
I'm not going to lie IMO it's more likely that Holly would discard Jared, she clearly had no problem with his seeing other people (So that doesn't matter to her, or maybe she's into it who knows) and since he has free reign there's no relationship to seek with him.
No DCA, no popular lover, all she's getting is backlash. He's thrown his career away for nudes and Holly could still bounce back in a way if she discarded Jared and talked about how she was "manipulated" despite orchestrating it all with him.
She needs validation constantly, she got that online so she didn't need Ross, then she got it with DCA and Jared, if those supplies run dry or low she'll be on to the next one.
She has a few more years until 40, she has the house and her pigeon hobby (She lost her "hot cosplay body" clearly, no matter how you view her weight it's obvious she doesn't have the shape she used to back then-and she's never had the face for it so RIP), if she gets her shit together and dates responsibly she might be able to settle down-but if she continues to suckle off her computer for social coddling she's just gonna age behind a screen with nothing else to show for it.
Maybe she'll start a kickstarter for a quirky indie show like Bee & Puppycat or some shit kek
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>>846760>I'm not going to lie IMO it's more likely that Holly would discard Jared, she clearly had no problem with his seeing other people (So that doesn't matter to her, or maybe she's into it who knows) and since he has free reign there's no relationship to seek with him.
We don't know how, exactly, she feels about him seeing other people, but we do know for a fact she was threatening to kill herself when he wouldn't leave Heidi and is infatuated to the point where she would destroy her image and marriage just to gas him up. This is the guy who she claims made her feel sexual and romantic attraction for the first time - that is an incredibly powerful bond to have, regardless of how retarded she is, and regardless of whether it's one-sided or not. Until he discards her for real, she's not going to stop being up his ass. And 10 bucks if it does come out he's fucking other people, Holly will just pretend she's polyamorous so it's totally fine, even if she's dying inside.
>She lost her "hot cosplay body" clearly, no matter how you view her weight it's obvious she doesn't have the shape she used to back then
What are you talking about? There's nothing wrong with her shape or weight. Her bikini pics were taken a few months ago. She could absolutely cosplay again, but all she cares about is being her self-insert D&D character and clearly has no interest in dressing up as anything else.
Dude, if I had a dollar for every skinnyfat out of shape cosplayer I've seen shoving themselves into thotty outfits I'd be rich. You don't have to be a 10/10 toned athlete to cosplay, especially if you avoid revealing ones. Hell, there are even a lot of outright fat successful cosplayers now.
said it's her own inferiority complex keeping her out of the scene. Has nothing to do with whether her body is "hot" enough.
I'm not saying she can't cosplay and I agree with >>846814
also. I was just agreeing with the earlier anon about Holly getting older. When women get older it is harder to sell as a brand unless she goes to becoming a cooking celebrity or Holly actually going to school for psychology or a specialized bird vet. Maybe I'm ignorant but I don't know any well known older women in the nerdy fandoms that are not actresses and even then most people don't focus on them if they are old, or maybe most fandoms are too young, who knows.
I don't think fandom spaces (specifically D&D spaces) have an age limit - though I do think they got a bigger influx of younger people from Stranger Things bring it back to the forefront.
I do, however, think Holly is in very real danger of becoming the Home Alone pigeon lady with literally nothing else going for her if she isn't careful.
She's only in her early 30s, she's not a decrepit old woman. For example the people on CritRole are all like in their 30s and 40s too and they're like one of the biggest reasons D&D has become so mainstream. This idea that you have to age out of your interests is ridiculous and only retarded teenagers care about "old" people participating in fandom. And as far as cosplay goes, Holly was never even known for having sexy, racy cosplays; her most popular one was Commander Shepard where her body was entirely covered.
The only thing holding Holly back is Holly, 100%. Not her fat distribution or age. She's the one who pigeonholed (lol) herself into having 2 interests, birds and Strix, and she lost the latter due to acting like a fucking moron.
Yes, Holly isn't that old yet I just thought this anon >>846760
was making a tinfoil prediction of Holly's future as Holly eventually will become a 40 year old or older. I don't know how much money she has in the bank or she just has need for public attention in general. I was just agreeing the aspect that it gets harder for a woman to sell her image as she gets older. I was not saying Holly should grow out of her nerdy hobbies and interests as she gets older, but if Holly looking to get money or fame out of it that's a different story. I also agreed to this anon >>846814
already. I'm not a D&D fan so I can't comment on it.
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I was talking more around the Rocket cosplay days, there’s nothing wrong with her body-its just changed because she put on weight. People gain weight when they’re happy, you can tell in videos and she has a flattering chubby body (in an almost classic pin-up kind of way) but it's not something to take personally.
I totally get her persona now. She still sees this young, cute alt chick in her mind, but in her mirror she sees Strix the Swamphag.
The cognitive dissonance wreaks hell on her already shitty personality.
Sage for armchair.
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Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but I was just on the PAX website and decided to randomly click on PAX Unplugged. The ONLY performer they have on their website right now is DCA. It's set to take place December 6-8th, so I wonder if that will actually come to pass, kek. (I wonder if any of our stars will be at PAX West, since it's in Seattle)
>She needs validation constantly
It'll be interesting to see if Jared & Holly's (Diath & Strix's) relationship will stand up seeing as they're unlikely to get the same level of support and validation that they once did.
Their relationship is going to have the added stress of a lot of people not fangirling over them together.
Part of what must've made that relationship exciting to them surely was that most DCA fans were living for it in the roleplay.
I assume Holly also received a lot of popular attention for being Ross' other half. It's probably a tough change for her-
to a fucking T anon>>846933
i am never going to understand how some artist goes from this level of skill, to dressing like a heap of rags. the video from twitchcon where she's getting dressed with heidi and jared, i swear i've never seen an uglier cosplay and i've seen some pretty noob-tier fails lmao
this one on the other hand is really legit (if she made the prop herself. did she?)
i guess she just doesn't want to put the effort in if the money keeps flowing in?
LOL it is not walking on eggshells to use words to mean what they actually mean you silly goose
Maybe go eat a sandwich or something, you sound a bit tetchy with that martyred BS>>846971
What this whole fiasco has done is made me really question Holly's skill as a cosplayer - I wasn't a huge stan of hers or anything but I knew who she was and what she'd cossed. And IDK, it's beginning to look like she's not that
talented or creative on her own, and adding that to the oops of "oh I conned a cancer survivor out of money and never delivered the costume" among other things I gotta wonder what her actual skills are like in terms of making stuff.
Now making stuff UP, obviously, she's the queen of THAT kek
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Youtuber SrPelo made a video making fun of low quality animated storytime videos and arin had something to say
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Oney joins the battle!
Arin truly is the dumbest motherfucker who cannot get off his white high horse after discovering tumblr.
Excessive parodies that pretty much only were jokes of preexisting material was his entire fucking "animation" reel, his NG was edgelord central and even GG is him being a manchild who gets upset cause he doesnt know how to actually play games and insults everything about it including his cohost. (Who can suck a dick too but alas)
isn't arin's whole career an unending vomit stream of jokes at others' expense? people are absolutely ripping him on twitter lol
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>>847062>He has outgrown it
But he hasn't, or at least no more than any other Newgrounds personality has. The only difference between Arin circa Newgrounds-era and Arin circa today is that he's not doing animations anymore. His sense of humor is basically unchanged and he still utilizes the same level of joke quality he always has, Starbomb is a perfect example of that.
Not even the point though. The problem isn't whether or not Arin has grown as a person or not, because of course he has. The problem is that Arin is taking a moral high ground that he doesn't have any right to take. He thinks he has the right to poo-poo someone else's creative effort just because other people used to "make fun of him" in the same way, ignoring that the animation itself is hardly mean at all and that some people it mocks actually helped make it. He's making it all about him and using it as a way to shoot down someone else's creative effort. Not to mention that Newgrounds was probably the most supportive of him of any community he's been a part of and that it's the only reason he has a career in the first place (and how soon we forget the army of egoraptor supporters that would accuse every other animator of copying his style).
All this coming from the guy that once posted this at somebody else.
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Here you go anon
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This was the Oney response I was talking about
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He’s sorry, but he’ll keep the videos with his hurtful jokes up and monetized regardless.
(Though the “my intent wasn’t to harm” excuse is sounding awfully Hoelly, and they shouldn’t waste their energy trying to explain the jokes)
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Saying "I was an angry kid boohoo" doesn't own up to shit. These dumb youtubers who want to be ad friendly can't be honest with themselves, just admit you like politically incorrect humor but, as a shitty influencer/e-celeb you can't make money without being PC so you have to put on this "words are mean!" front only when it favors you.
May I remind everyone Arin yelled the n word in an old game grumps episode. Yeah, such a "kid". lol like anyone would believe for a second he lives up to these standards in daily life.
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Veronica (Oneys Gf) on Jaxxy’s post about Pelo’s animation.
I had a feeling the Oney gang had a big falling out with Arin/GG after they chose to start recording at Oney's place as opposed to the Grump office.
And they frequently mentioned packages going "missing" that were addressed to OneyPlays. I think this stuff goes deep than this twitter spat
This is from 14 years ago. It's stupid to bring it up now
It's more appropriate to bring up early GG when he said it, which even then was 5~ years ago
Nobody looks good in this situation. Arin looks like an overreacting, sensitive baby, and everyone responding look like overreacting assholes.
As for the video, it was annoying and unfunny but I wouldn't say it was targeted or hurtful. It was too spastic and bad to be hurtful
The person I responded too talked about an old video. So I just brought up another old video.
Of him doing the same thing the person said he did in another video. I don't see why I can't bring up whatever I want. I'm not asking people to go an burn down his house.
I was just responding to someone with something that was similar.
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Spazkid's response to Arin's "apology". Arin is getting absolutely torn to shreds in the replies, as he should be.
>>847188>Nobody looks good in this situation.
Stop trying to downplay Arin's fuckup
Everyone is right to call out Arin on his fake bullshit
>everyone responding look like overreacting assholes.
Since when is does it make someone an "overreacting asshole" to want someone to have some accountability for the shit they said or did?
Arin did some stupid shit; You don't get to come back years later and say "But I've changed!". No, you fuckin' didn't - You can paint the outside of a decrepit old house all you want to appeal to those on the outside, but on the inside, it's still the same dumpster fire it was before.
I agree. People aren't overreacting for calling out Arin. No one's being unreasonable in just calling him out for his hypocrisy.
Also just because time has past doesn't mean the person has changed. I feel Arin does the same shit, him & his wife. They just hide it better because it'll be called out.
Which would be such a dick move. Ross is the one true victim
in this shitshow. He needs to be left alone.
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There's someone in r/ConspiracyGrumps who kept teasing a lot of personal shit about Arin, Suzy, & Ross for some time:https://www.reddit.com/user/imthedog420/comments/
The newgrounds people have every right to be pissed. I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about this sudden burst of people wanting to cancel Arin because he said racist shit years ago
And the extra cringe are the people calling Arin out over the n-word then saying "watch Oneyplays"
Arin was stupid and reacted emotionally to a video and was a dick to people that very recently lived with him (Oney). He should personally apologize to those he insulted
Oney unapologeticly says racial slurs, supports and is friends with Shadman and if it means anything, is close with JonTron
He's more "problematic
" than Arin ever was but GG and Oneyplays fans don't care
Oh, didn't know that. Well fuck him, but I generally was like fuck everyone involved anyway.
They are all fake
Isn't Spazkid friends with Shad too? I thought I remembered him havig his art on his site too.
They're more trash than Arin, Arin is a manchild sometimes but at least he isn't buddybuddy with a literal pedo who draws porn of IRL kids
Is there any proof to this? Not trying to be dismissive
Just from what I heard and watched, DingDong and Julian couldn't afford LA anymore and hated doing LPs
I thought Arin (and Suzy) DID endorse Shadman. I found this thread on it: https://www.reddit.com/r/rantgrumps/comments/70bvow/game_grumps_and_shadmanshadbase/
(As a warning there is some really gross pedo-defending in the comments.) But apparently they've bought his merch in the past and Suzy was even featured on his site wearing his shirts.
Need serious citation because if true that's rich as hell>>847414
Yeah I think a year ago/less both of them followed Shad. Internet clout is too tasty to pass up sometimes, huh
nta but I've heard that Oney is also a huge asshole to his fans.
Wouldn't be surprised to hear that he'd treat his friends like shit too.
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I don't know specifics, and I don't know if this was ever talked about publically but Arin had comissioned animations from Studio Yotta in the past and was apparently a shitty client to work with, something something not paying on time, etc. Dunno if that is the root of Jaxxy's beef with the grumps but it's definitely part of it.
Added bonus: Jaxxy dunking on Snooze randomly in the midst of all this SrPelo drama
>>847476>cow worthy levels of cringe
If you saw any of the threads prior to Polygate, they were all about dogging Suzy's appearance. Including some Voldemort comparisons
Jaxxy is just lashing out at someone she's probably had bad experiences with since Suzy probably backed Arin on shit if he did have issues with Yotta
Man, who fucking cares.>>847566
Agreed. We've been walking in circles on this shit since the beginning. We get it, scumbag supreme. If you got the proof or not, this is just boring at this point.
Anon, literally another anon just said the "obvious bait is obvious" line a few posts before me.
Like another one also said, this newfag bullshit with forgetting to sage and dropping the bait is getting stale. We've had enough of that in the past threads already. We don't want to make a new one filled with these WK shills.
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Bets on how long before she's diagnosing her pigeons with BPD?
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Dicklr discussing us on the “secret” discord.
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More leaks. Can’t say. PBG is in their though on an alt.
Also, I think Heidi is? She lurks on there.
I like what he said. Does he need to go " i shouldn't have said retardniggerfart" for you guys to be satisfied? As for not deleting the videos, he has a lot of fucking videos and who the fuck knows which ones are ones where he says 5 seconds of bad shit in a 30 min video in a 60 part series. Deleting some
videos will only open a can of worms where people dig to find these moments and harass him to delete those too. Too much trouble.
I don't like Arin, didn't even like his animations when I was a kid, but I'm kinda impressed he's able to word an apology tactfully.>>847180
I'd love to find out more about this. Sounds juicy.>>847353>>847359
NG babies are insufferable retards that act like the edgy children personae that got them famous literally a decade ago. Hate them all.>supports shadman
My god, BYE oney.
afaik, no. it's all a bunch of the same shit holly's WKs usually post and i've been in there for a LONG time. i'd be surprised if they knew shit we haven't already heard before.
not to mention i've got a hunch that they're also grabbing shit from us first.
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Short answer: Not really. A little sample.
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Surprisingly spot on. We got the victim
blaming again. Typical.
what the fuck, which one of y'all insane PJ2 dickweeds forgot your meds?>>847618>>847623
there is NOTHING of value on the discord. can we stop these useless caps and applauding it like it's some herculean sewer-trudging?
That’s not pbg, retard. They were still going on about how mad it made them when he was “cornered” into apologizing to Heidi. They think he threw Jared under the bus because he wanted to stop losing subscribers. They even tinfoil saying that Jared selflessly advised pbg into doing that to save his career and public image. He’s such a gentleman!
Seriously there’s nobody important there. It’s just the same boring discussion happening about the same old shit
You sound like literally every Holly stan. How's it feel knowing you backed someone who has - to date - failed to acknowledge how wrong his actions are? (Jared, I mean)>>847566
Eh, they never stopped being relevant to the pro jared squad. They get attacked by the stans on a regular basis.>>847587
Not to mention their own reputations, since a lot of Jared's "buddies" spoke out in his defense before the evidence of his being so fucking creepy started to come out by the truck load.>>847590
Nope. He's too much of a fucking coward - He'll let Homewrecker spin it again and again until he moves on to the next ignorant dumbass who forgot that vibrators were a thing and that they didn't have to settle for PedoDick.>>847592
>understand this on a deeper level lol
What? Do you piss everywhere but the toilet when you're upset too, Holly?
Shit, she can't even make a post about her fucking cat without it winding back around to her.>>847593
Wiklr is a fucking idiot who attacked a member of that same discord by pulling a Holly "I'm sorry that you took it that way, I wasn't being condescending even though I totes was">>847597
You just join it, no special requirements needed
Just a lot of accusing Heidi of being the anti-christ or comparing her to Hitler, while simultaneously praising Jared for keeping strong during these rough times >>847623
Been in that discord for awhile, honestly it's nothing milk worthy.
So… No caps? I applaud you for not sageing but Lord give us actual milk.>>847601
Anon, other people have pointed out both Arin and Suzy were also fans of Shadman, owned merch from him and all that, until recently when their SJW fans started cracking down on them and they decided to go the SJW route as well. They literally haven't changed in private, just on social media they're working extra hard to be public do-gooders.
The picture of snoozy is from this album of private tweets: https://imgur.com/gallery/8hpppot
"I wish I had the will power to get an eating disorder." Did snooze tweet this shit?
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Now this is some fucking MILK anon. And they're so recent, too lmao.
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Also confirmed this is Suzy. She's asking her friends to report this berhow_suzy account for impersonation.
that thread looks like someone posted Suzy's picture for no reason, and then they started dunking on her.
i have some major issues with suzy & her business practices. in particular her etsy store. but this seems a lot like bullying - she hasn't inserted herself at all in the current drama, and these people are dragging her in to make fun of her face.
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Could it be Holly?
I love the casual "Just hire a caregiver!", as if that's something that everyone can afford financially.
Not all of us get to live off of our Grandpa's money while doing absolutely nothing with our lives except banging married men, Holly.
but if you google the username it has a tumblr account that's random in some non-english speaking posts, with some anime weeb stuff that doesn't seem like suzy's jive, and the twitter account is now protected
I have a feeling this was a fake to make it seem like Suzy's account, idk
definitely! and gab too, there is a lot of plausible signs that it's her. But it's also a very specific username (especially the numbers, do they have any significance or are they random?) that I can't see two irrelevant people have just out of coincidence.
I wish the twitter wasn't protected, oh well
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another indication it might be suzy, if you try to find their tweets they show up as unavailable but you can find where others reply to them
gab wants to show them around someday, eh?
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another tweet by gab that was originally to that account
she often called snooze "babe", hmmm
also matches up with the date of holly's advice of how to care for someone/"get a caregiver" here >>847764
this is 25 may, that was 24.
So now the question is:
Who’s NiaShaw and how did she get access to those tweets
Everyone and their brother seems to lurk here. Who cares?
Maybe if they didn't do anything worth hiding or being ashamed of, there would be no reason to lurk.
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>"What will happen to us?"
Well, Homewrecker (and all around shitty person), I can say that "what will happen to you" is that your career is effectively in tatters because you never learned to keep your mouth shut. You praised the art of moving on, but continue to like tweets like this - moving on publicly, but generally hiding how you're still a shit heep of a person.
In what world is he not a predator anymore?
He still used his fame to get nudes from fans and didn't even try to filter out minors
He's still a scumbag and predator, just because he's silent and PJ2 says he's okay doesn't mean he's off the hook
he already wanted to stay quiet about the divorce and with all of the pedo shit going around, frankly being so silent about it is the best thing he could do especially if there are lawyers and whatnot involved. what a legal nightmare if he was yelling about it like holly is still doing.
btw you can delete and repost with sage within 30 minutes. no need for a separate post pointing it out