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Last time on the "How is this still a thing??" Edition…
>Penny Arcade started shadowbanning comments that spoke critically of Holly on their Vampire game
>Jared walked back his "nobody likes cancel culture" attitude when Leafy got banned, because he's a shitty hypocrite like that
>Jared bitched about "internet bullies" in a video game review about fucking marbles
>Holly claimed to take a Twitter break, but that just meant she was using the WeCrowingHens account more
>Jared turned 35, spent his day begging for money on Twitch and posing with chickens for Holly.
>Holly herself puts a zillion times more effort into her public birthday wishes to Jared than he has for her.
>Turns out Jared is still holding some of Heidi's property hostage and ignoring lawyers, prompting her to call him out on Twitter. Jared simp SadOldMagician tried to WK, got ratio'd.
>After a few weeks of Holly dolling herself up for selfies and adding Strix back to her Twitter bio, it came to light the garbage people at Penny Arcade are bringing her back for their Acquisitions Inc at the official D&D event DnDCelebration2020, which is happening this weekend.
Quick Synopsis of PigdeonGate:
>Jared "the Wormdick" Knabenbauer was a semi prominent personality on the gaming side of youtube. He was involved in many communities such as NormalBoots, Game Grumps and Dice Camera Action as a member of the D&D campaign "Waffle Crew". >In May 2019 he released a tweet saying he and his wife were separating and to give them space…except he hadn't told his wife and had her blocked the entire time.>His then wife Heidi O'Ferrall proceeded to reveal to the public he had been gaslighting and abusing her for years, and in the twist no one saw coming, was cheating on her with his DCA co-star, previous cosplay juggernaut Holly Conrad.>It was revealed through internet sleuthing she had also been cheating on her husband Ross O'Donovan of Game Grumps fame before their divorce. Although it was at first amicable, the joint tweet discussing their separation has since been deleted and Ross refuses to hardly utter her name. >Holly checked herself into a mental hospital from being cancelled too hard>Fans came out of the woodwork revealing Jared to be a sexpest who had been soliciting nudes for years, some of which were underage.>Holly came back to throw herself to the wolves by trying to equate her suffering at being cancelled as to Etikas suicide (didn't work, she got dragged harder). Jared went into hiding to try to salvage his image. >Jared released a video, "You've Been Lied To", to youtube detailing the "true events" and successfully manipulated his way back into his fans good graces. >Heidi spoke her truth on a regular basis and stuck to her guns, and Holly tried to mental gymnastics her way into everyone loving her again.>Jared and Holly moved in together and continue to this day to baww about Heidi being an evil witch and being cancelled including releasing a shirt saying ~CANCELLED~
For More On Holly Conrad's Dubious Past:>A History of Holly: >>838840 (Source: PULL)
Links to the Clowns Involved in this Circus:
>Holly Conrad/Commander Holly:https://www.instagram.com/commanderholly/https://twitter.com/HollyConradhttps://www.youtube.com/user/CommanderHolly
Do Not Bother Ross O’Donovan>Game Grump and animator
You May Support and Subscribe at: >Ross O'Donovan/RubberNinja:https://twitter.com/RubberNinjahttps://www.youtube.com/user/RubberNinjahttps://www.instagram.com/rubberninja/
Image Credit: >>1038655
Previous Threads (The ProJared Saga Begins):
Reminder from Mods:>Subjects have to be 16+ to be discussed on lolcow. Do not include Holly's 15 year old friend’s face or social media posts here. >This is also a reminder that cowtipping is also against the rules, do not contact the girl or her parents because of her relation to Holly.>Keep whiteknight posting to when they actually spill milk.
Great job OP
…except…pigeon doesn't have a D in it.
Blame the last OP, I just ctrlC-ctrlV'd the synopsis and links.>>1041170
Here's hoping there's enough she hasn't blocked yet, and the criticism isn't drowned out by the praise, that she reacts to it.
I only feel bad for Xavier Woods.
Krahulik and Holkins are colossal-grade tools and I really hope Jeremy Crawford gets paid handsomely for his DMing duties.
Never seen a bigger pair of obnoxious players with cringe merpaderpahyerp humor in my life.
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This is what gets Jared’s dick hard? Everyone has their kinks but… yeesh.
i thought she was making a generic irritating soy face but then i looked at the eyebrows.
i know she's obsessed with strix but what the fuck is this level of mania jesus
What gets me is that you know she took all these new Strix photos in her yard with Jared
Good thing he has so much practice with photography, you know, something he always did for his wife even while being "abused"
It's a shame they couldn't do a Diath photoshoot, too lmao
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Looks like Heidi finally got her stuff back
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>"I was literally gonna let him keep these solely out of good will"
He was probably hoping for that too.
"I'll send your stuff too"
In one stream Jared was asked if he was planning on getting back into photography, to which he replied that it was never a hobby of his, but an "obligation." Oh how the turn tables>>1041692
That's the only thing I'm curious about - since she's using a developed character, will Diath still be part of her influence and backstory? It feels like a very tight rope to be walking unless, like others have suggested, ProPeePee will be added as an additional player (or special guest) down the line. Otherwise, his mention would just be Holly reminding the audience of her boycotted boytoy who's no longer allowed to sit with the cool kids. Seems disrespectful, but creating a new character for her preconditioned audience to fall in luv with would take effort and a step out of trash witch's safe space dumpster.
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good for her. I can hear the teeth gnashing from here as Jared angrily packed these up in a box and hoely screeched in the background about how her “abuser(tm)” is still in their lives ruining her good news
That's such bullshit, Jared was far from the only photographer Heidi ever worked with and clearly he did and still does like taking pictures. What a stupid throwaway petty thing to say, "obligation"
Maybe that's what he used to tell Holly when she would flip out over his and Heidi's photoshoots when they were still married lmao
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Sounds like either one was trying to make the other say 'uncle', or one or both of them just have shitty lawyers.
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her savagery knows no bounds. how much mud slinging do we think happened behind the scenes between them and their lawyers? I wonder if they were hotheads who yelled at each other during mediated meetings?
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>"my divorce cost me 12 thousand dollars "
But I thought only the man gets 'divorce-raped'!
sage for obvious reasons
I remember on kiwifarms (sorry lol) back when they were more on Heidi's side, they joked about how Jared was gonna be a broke SOB and would he even go do a real world job. He could, most people don't know who he is but dudes like him would never get a real world job. Sorry out of the loop here, what did he do for money after the blow up of Heidi's tweets? Was it bird lady who financially took care of him? what a pube.
But couldn't you turn that same argument around on her? Why should he return her stuff when she hasn't returned his? It kind of goes both ways
I think they both had petty motivations; he wanted the games for his game wall and maybe just because he was ashamed to admit so much of his collection wasn't his and she wanted to keep the tokens of affection his mistress gave him while he was actively cheating.
Of course I'm more sympathetic to Heidi, but I think using the "why should she do it if he didnt" is an little silly when it goes both ways
Y'all think she is sending back the Diath costume?
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Heidi has really good taste in games! Glad she got her stuff back. >>1041738
I love her
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She had more!!!
Guess Jared just wasn't as "Pro" as he always claimed to be.
Yeah, at first it was like, 2 boxes of games, now 3 more
boxes have arrived - some even containing entire consoles
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He has his own apparently…
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Reposting from previous thread: proof of Jared being "obligated" to do photo shoots
"Close sources", who Jared himself, screechin' Holly, or SadOldTwit?
You're otherwise either bad at: a) linear time or b) reading comprehension.
He didn't respond to lawyers. She wanted to avoid using the mail and just having a 3rd-party exchange of property through lawyers.
She didn't "find out we are having a divorce" from his tweet (which was May 9, not 19), her tweet says:>In recently learned that my husband @ProJared has been fucking @HollyConrad behind my back for months. I have no idea what announcement he just made because he blocked me.https://twitter.com/AtelierHeidi/status/1126339321152204801
She offered to let him keep them if he kept things civil. He opted instead to block her and put out a blatantly false statement.
Show me where the story got rewritten.
if she takes your idea of tossing in some replacement wine, i REALLY hope she makes it a white zinfandel lmfao>>1042013>show me where the story got rewritten
it got rewritten every time poojared or hoelly threw a bitch fit in front of their """friends""" to the extent that they felt obligated to come defend the manchild on a fucking forum, anon
every time i see someone say "move on heidi it's been months", i remember these posts on lolcow that are still somehow trying to flip the narrative and make heidi into a dick-taking whore harpy who murdered seven children
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Watched a little bit of his stream last night and he was a total piss baby. Giving Heidi back her personal belongings really took the smirk off his face.
Who wants to take bets on an incoming bad brain post on his socials.
He has literally thousands of her belongings, wouldn't respond to lawyers to make an exchange through neutral third parties and sent everything unannounced to be left on her doorstep only after she publicly outed that he was ignoring her.
How the fuck are you still twisting she was the bad guy here?
She was very likely holding onto stuff so they could be exchanged simultaneously so no party was disadvantaged: he took that away from her by sending it unannounced yesterday
When has she ever acted as anything other than a strong woman who was scorned? Get off her dick already. She "had to" send people to @ him to get him to do it? What the fuck is her lawyer doing? Sitting on their thumb? You want things done don't rely on email.
She just wanted to sell the shit anyway.
It amazes me that she can continue to act like a cow and have a public meltdown monthly and you all still think she's just some uwu hurt girl who just tried her best. She's got you all hook like and sinker.
Just because Holly is a cow too doesn't mean Heidi isn't.
What matters is if you're just selling it anyway why the fuck is it such a big deal that it's delayed?
He's dragging his feet and not communicating about it? Big deal, at least you don't have to interact with him. That man you supposedly are afraid of.
He sent it in stead of a drop off to your lawyer? At least you didn't have to pay your lawyer $500 to hold a package for 30 minutes.
I'm so fucking tired of you supposed farmers giving this bitch a pass. She earned maybe a year of leeway for the shit she went through. You can't use that excuse forever.
Calling a spade a spade. They can all be cows anon. No matter how shitty the worm and rotten apple are, that doesn't make Heidi free from criticism.
Maybe you need a refresher that this isn't a Heidi Stan forum. She was given a pass, but those don't last forever.
Heidi might have said in the past that she was afraid of upsetting Jared or something, but I don't remember Heidi ever saying she was 'afraid' of Jared…
…But Holly did say she was "afraid" of Heidi.
So now both he & Holly have whined about wanting to be 'left alone'.
Why couldn't they do this shit last year again?
I get that they were both reeling from "the Drama", but you'd think that would give them a better incentive to just mail Heidi her stuff back so that they can finally wash their hands of her.
That's what gets me, why did they have to go through legal channels to do this in the first place?
This is probably one of those people that tell her to "Get over it" on twitter…
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Yeah, that makes sense…
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You could tell he was biting his tongue a lot of the time.
The main rants I heard were the whole rent wasn't where his money was going.
Also his whine that he can't really make the pet project videos he wants to do. He needs to make videos that people really want to watch and make a profit from them.
I've been popping into his streams to see how much he really seems to be hating it right now.
I got gifted a sub from a fan and noticed that sadoldtwatface gifted 100 subs to random people. I wonder how many of his die hard minions gifted subs? I'm never going to give cash to him so I wonder how many people will drop off in October.
>>1042178>She's supposedly afraid of them, anon.
Where the fuck are you getting this from? Holly is the one who constantly talked about being afraid of "big bad abusive
Heidi", I can't think of a single time Heidi has ever said anything close to the same. Did you get confused and read the wrong name every time it was mentioned? Even if she was actually afraid of them, how would her behavior here be milky in the first place? "OMG she said she was afraid of them but then she talked a bunch about her feelings publicly!!!! so milky!!!!!". Is talking about your feelings publicly automatically worth ridicule to you? What are you, a 12 year old boy?
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Mostly it's her characterizing it as "fighting for her life" that makes me draw that conclusion.
Personally I find her blowing up about incredibly unimportant video games that would go to small claims court as if its an affront that it came slowly and was delivered not his she wanted. Especially after she's expressed an intent to move past it several times. Thus it's milk.
Add on to that she's not gone a single month without talking about them? And this thread is full of brown nosed apologists?
Top level comedy for me.
Oh man, one comment where you misinterpret the meaning of a single part of a sentence out of context and then equate "fighting" with "fear" totally makes your accusations true and doesn't just make you look like an illiterate retard. So weird how you also consistently minimizing the significance of things that would bother Heidi and express minor negativity towards Holly but refuse to acknowledge any wrongdoing on the side of Jared. Totally
doesn't make you look like a Jared fanboy at all! No no, you definitely fit right in here, chud.
Heidi is barely a blip and easy to ignore compared to Jared and Holly who are better known in the video game/cosplay/DnD circle.
This level of pettiness is normal for both sides of a divorced couple and is eyeroll worthy on both sides. You see it all the time.
The reason why anons here tend to let things with Heidi slide is of the three is because her milk is 1% milk compared to the whole milk Jared and Holly provide.
Are you ESL? You never return something first if the other party proved to be irresponsible time and time again. You either return at the same time in person or use a third party (mutual friend, lawyer, family, etc.)
He's not gonna sleep with you.
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There were people gifting subs in the 100s this was my second time getting a freebie
SadOld and a few of the usual suspects seem to gift often
All of you are too busy sperging that you didn't even read the full sentence.
"Fighting for my life to be taken seriously"
has a whole different meaning to "Fighting for my life"
She's replying to Alex from Beard Bros who seems to fully support her, which makes it really weird that Jirard was so quick to gift subs to Jared after his apology video and delete his comment that basically shit on Jared.
Jirard either really has no backbone or Jared threatened to sue, but at least Alex is willing to show where his morals lie
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>>1042290>Heidi mentioned something about how she took private nudes of herself and they're freaking out trying to find them
it was deleted super quickly too. I didn't get to see the first part.
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this is so funny lmao
there's a few people in the world whose whole day goes south if lolcow anons refuse to buy into their Heidi The Evil Whore narrative.
imagine being this desperate to see this one woman say uncle. these anons come in here and literally plead others to accept heidi has at some point in her life done SOME small wrong and therefore is a ginormous cow of evil and terror. are you taking it personally when she says she's been deeply hurt by this scumbag and his manly sidewhore? are you going to tear your hair out if she overshares on twitter? is it that painful to read one sad woman's tweets when she's just doing her best to cope? what the literal fuck
For real, not the anon you're replying too, but shut the fuck up already. If you were arsed to read the dozen past threads, you'd see that there's been numerous times when anons frequenting this thread have made a point to say when Heidi was doing something wrong or manipulative, and the majority of other anons have agreed with them, and many times Holly has been rightfully defended when it comes to Jared's gross behavior. You just can't stand the fact that people aren't eating Holly's ass and giving her asspats for crying "muh mental illness!" on twitter whenever she's called out for her manipulative behavior. At least, unlike Holly, Heidi has admitted her faults numerous time and owned up to her part in the fiasco, while understandably speaking out about the abuse she's recieved just for continuing to fucking be online.
If you hate this thread so much, the anons here, and the majority opinion held, hide the thread or fuck off somewhere else. If you want a thread where you can screech about how much of an evil, vindictive whore Heidi is and be surrounded by a hugbox of people wishing her harm, go to kiwifarms, better yet, the comment sections under Jared's tweets.
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Has anyone read Holly's campaign?
Saw this in response to her announcement post and it got me curious; is that the moral? You cant help everyone uwu, sometimes the people you try to help are the really abusers all along!!!!
That sounds like the most on brand Holly bullshit possible
sageing bc not directly relevant but I am not surprised Alex would support her. Of all the beard bros/normalboots people, Alex is the blunt, honest one and the one person I could see cutting through everyone's bs. Brett maybe, but I feel like Brett tries to find the middle ground in things so he'd probably not have a clear picture unless he knew them both very well. Alex's only flaw is that he is opinionated as fuck and sometimes is factually wrong about something but keeps insisting he's right until he gets called out, but he seems able to consistently trim the sides of any issue and get right to the heart of it and he will not give a shit if one of his friends disagrees with him on something
Jirard disappoints me with his behavior even now but I honestly do think Jirard is not malicious, just dumb. He hates confrontation and picking sides, and Jared was a close friend of his more directly than Heidi. As far as Jirard is concerned, it was the pedo allegations that got him kicked off normalboots, not the divorce and the drama that followed, so as soon as Jared "cleared his name" of the accusations, he extended an olive branch to Jared to let bygones be bygones
I think in the YT circles, not the fans, the divorce was just personal drama but the pedo allegations were the bigger issue. They both coincided but they were essentially separate problems and youtuber peers treated it that way too. Of course there is a narrative thread that connects them when you take a step back and look at the bigger picture, but messy relationships get forgotten eventually, they were less likely to forgive the allegations
Jared and Cryaotic are flips of the same coin; sex obsessed creeps who cheated on their longterm partners, crossed multiple boundaries, wanted to stick their dick into anything they could, and Jared streams on Twitch casually while Cryaotic recently got banned
read that as "Lendadick" at first glance.
also it's free, but "GIVE US YOUR BILLING INFO ANYWAY LOL"
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oh geez, she wrote the foreword for the humblewood campaign setting (and "additional contributions").
>Humblewood is a campaign setting for 5e in which you get to play as Birdfolk and other woodland creatures.
"It's there". I'm sure, you couldn't possibly be misrepresenting it. I looked, can't find it and without further information as to at the very least WHERE it was said I'm not going to find it.
Now, you could provide that information and I'll do you the huge favor of providing context for everyone else. Otherwise I'll just assume you're lying because I can't find it anywhere.
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So she’s doing this again? She didn’t learn her lesson last time? Holly is the last person anyone should be taking any sort of mental health tips or advice from.
that's not a comment, that's just distancing yourself from a controversial person. Arin himself told he doesnt hold a grudge against did you know gaming for never having him back when whenever he showed up he would bring with him the sperging rage of jon's fans.
No people at game grumps, especially not ross, ever said anything at all about jared and holly scandal, they're smarter than that.
the subtext of that move IS a comment, though. Like yes, in some things Arin can be surprisingly reasonable and chill about, but they removed the vids before any big scandal erupted, which left some fans wondering what's up. They didn't comment a single thing not on their brand twitters, not on their personal twitters, when Jared and Holly got in hot waters.
Ross' silence speaks volumes but it's understandable given he was directly part of the initial equation. The overwhelming silence from ALL of them speaks even louder. Arin has no issue speaking his mind about issues or topics. Suzy would like a post or tweet that would vaguely support one "side".
Arin has shown repeatedly that he is fiercely loyal to people he considers close to him, seeing as he keeps hiring friends as coworkers and then not having the balls to fire them when they do a bad job (remember that editor Kevin?), Arin and Suzy got firsthand a glimpse at Ross' true feelings about all this while it was actually happening, since he was crashing on their couch a lot. Even if Holly or Jared felt justified, they saw their best friend immobilized and drunk by grief and sadness and that can really paint a picture for you as opposed to Holly's "you should believe me, I'm good" tirades
oh i'm sure they had an opinion, but i dunno, i guess no action to me doesnt equate to the same twitter threads that people would write about jared, the worst one being two people accusing him of trading nudes when they were underage.
what did kevin do? i never follow any drama (Well, apart from this one) and i was even surprised about ben unsavoury tweets. All i can remember about kevin was him being rather unfunny, did he "joke" about swapping nudes with a minor too?
I am on the fence on this. I feel part of the twitter thread is justification for her possibly having hurt others behind the scenes, but as an abuse survivor myself it feels nice to see someone share their own experiences.
And honestly - going through emotional abuse leaves your mind shattered, and sometimes you just need to get the thoughts out somewhere, ANYWHERE, so I totally get why she is doing it as well.
Maybe she already did?
Thing is, shit like this is just gonna go over people's heads. It's all about blaming it on everyone but yourself these days!>>1043160
Unfortunately Hored stans are just going to complain about her 'playing the victim
' more, so I hope she isn't thinking that she has to appeal to them whenever she writes stuff like this.
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To be fair, it's more helpful & insightful than Holly's empty platitudes…
You’re annoying. >>1043165
It is definitely much more helpful than anything I’ve seen come from Holly, for sure.
Heidi has long said that telling her side of the story is a healing process for her. >>1043154
This is more about her taking accountability for herself than anything. >>1043155
Maybe this is why tards can't understand why this forum is mostly on Heidi's side or at least don't consider her a cow.
Holly: Etika was killed by clown emojis like meeeeeeee. Cancel culture is bad. I WON'T APOLOGIZE. I DID NOTHING WRONG. SORRY I'M MENTALLY ILL.
Heidi: I've messed up sometimes. I've had boundaries violated and now I have to make sure I'm not doing the same. I'm trying not to hurt people, but I may have.
Holly is nefarious in the things she does. She uses her vulnerability as a shield. Heidi is upfront and blunt. She can be petty, but not any more petty than Jared. Jared and Holly have campaigned actively against all the allegations, why Heidi just tweeted shit. Heidi DID NOT START any of the pedo allegations, so only said that Jared was fucking Holly behind her back and cheating. Then we got into this poly garbage we can't agree on. There's always a few consistent things I get offended by:
Holly using a black man's death for ass pats.
Jared jacking off to fans nudes and abusing his power.
Heidi? Making our Jared's cheating was worse than it was. She allowed some of it and some of it wasn't allowed.
If she's so upfront and blunt, anon. What did she do, who was affected, and when did it happen?
She's just better at being vague and making a word sandwich that seems like it means something without actually saying anything.
"I recently overreacted with a friend, that's what made me realize I had a problem" or something along those lines is a perfect example of how to actually admit fault.
It answers all three of those questions while still being vague.
For the life of me I cannot read these tweets by Heidi and say what might have prompted her to talk about it today. Was she reflecting on her marriage? Did she do something recently?
"If I'm gonna tweet about abuse recovery that needs to include ways I'm checking myself."
The who is less important than the what in this case, of course. She doesn't have to necessarily include who it affected if she doesn't want to, but specifics of what she did are
important to checking herself. "I hurt others" isn't a what. If you can't at least admit how you them you aren't checking yourself. Admitting who you hurt is just an additional step that helps people change negative behaviors.
You have to be able to detail exactly what went wrong to fix any problem. Your mechanic only being able to tell you "the engine doesn't run" doesn't do anything compared to "the starter is shot"
Then that is owed to the people she hurt. Not to the Twitter public. Talking about the process of checking oneself on her own Twitter is not an invitation for people to demand specifics? She doesn’t need to confess her sins to strangers it doesn’t affect.
We complain about Jared and Holly not acknowledging their wrongs because they make it clear, regularly, that they don’t think they’ve done anything wrong.
Also, Heidi said she didn’t think Jared was a pedophile in her stream. Holly has never admitted she lied about Heidi being abusive
. What Jared and Holly have done to Heidi, they did publicly and invite strangers in their fan base to abuse her. If they are to apologize, it would need a public element.
And how do you know she isn't making amends for something public? You don't.
And again, to quote her: "If I'm gonna tweet about abuse recovery that needs to include ways I'm checking myself"… "That's my responsibility"
In what ways is she checking herself, again? This just reads to me as a bunch of waffling about how she's not really at fault and none of what she actually did.
You're just being purposely obtuse because you have a vendetta against Heidi and the anons in this thread that like her. Self-reflection doesn't have to be triggered
by anything new, some people can actually analyse their behaviours and who they've become just because…they want to become a better person, especially after they've been the victim
of gaslighting and such.
That's why Heidi mentioned she's "checking herself". She doesn't want to become so defensive after what she's been through that she hurts others. That's the difference between Holly and Heidi imo: Holly thinks she's justified in hurting others because she's been hurt herself, whereas Heidi doesn't want to repeat the cycle of abuse.
ntayrt, you are correct, not only can jared and holly be flawed, heidi can also be flawed, but to sit and bitch about her expressing herself on social media is just reaching for reasons to be bitter and it comes off completely wrong
shes in pain. shes had to sit and be in a shitty marriage where she wasnt allowed to talk to friends, go to events, or be more than a trophy cool gamergirl wife for jared. she got to watch the person she loved go fuck other girls using a twisted form of consent she never agreed to.
after being alienated for such a long time, without having a voice to say anything, im sure it feels good to be able to publicly say how she feels and thats all shes really even doing here. but youve twisted it into some huge argument with enabler anon that shes being petty and lying and shit. nobody here is sympathetic towards your cause.
also to add: if she tried to solve the property debate through lawyers, it can be brought up against him in the divorce case that he didn't reply to her or her legal channels and randomly sent it on his own after stalking her social media. he is not in the right and his pettiness will get him in legal trouble, more so than heidi ever will.
Kevin didn't really "do" anything drama worthy, he was just a godawful, shit for skills editor. Consistently made mistakes, didn't edit out empty footage, didn't have a personality in the videos (Barry used to "talk" via text and it had some personality in there), and he was even sloppier in Suzy's channel. There was one video where like in the middle of its duration he just left out a black screen and the sound of Suzy opening a bottle of soda and gulping it down.
Yet Kevin stayed over a year and eventually left, as I recall, he wasn't let off or anything. Everyone who works around Arin in some way is a friend from before that he's helping out
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War flashbacks to all the totally inaccurate sexy Diath fanart
Holly coming to terms with it would imply that she acknowledges some kind of fault - and she doesn't. To her, she and PedoDick are the victims
and everyone else are the attackers against them, including those he got nudes from or fucked at various cons.
>>1043477>She's holding on to her shitty past
She literally JUST got some of her possessions back within the last few days. This is not only "her past", its also her present.
Sucks things aren't moving along to your personal timeframe, anon. Really can't imagine how frustrating this must be for you, when your parasocial relationships don't manage to stick to your schedule.
The issue is, oversharing is a trauma response. She’s stuck in her own cycle right now and she’ll be circling like this forever until she is able to recognize it as a symptom.
Other people may feel they can empathize with her story, it’s what a lot of people go through (sadly), but she needs to overcome this. If she had a proper therapist or even a diary/journal it’d be much healthier than this.
who the hell dictates when a stranger is supposed to just "move on" from their divorce and the trauma due to an abusive
relationship. are you a qualified therapist, anon? no? lol then take a fucking seat. watching holly's "mental health mondays" doesn't make you an expert, sorry you had to find out this way.
and this is your personal problem because?>>1043485
whenever i see him post literally any picture of his face, i recall heidi's tweets about him being genuinely fucking delusional and miring himself in lies lmao
to be the only explanation behind such confidence
>>1043598>The issue is, oversharing is a trauma response
So all the cows featured here are traumatized? Maybe they are, but they're still cows.
There's a huge double standard on this site where people are on two sides: "it's a trauma response let's ignore it uwu" or "idc they're still cringe, let the milk flow". I've seen people being a-logged for less in other threads. But I know you will say "they're different people".
Let me explain this to you so you can maybe grow your critical thinking
>So all the cows featured here are traumatized?
No. Just because two people are coughing doesnt mean they both have Covid.
You seem to want to nitpick people's specific actions and behaviors as a sure sign of something not proven. We KNOW Heidi went through a publicly messy divorce where the mistress with more than twice her followers called her an 'unfixable unstable abuser' which would obviously be traumatizing. If she wants to publicly vent about what she's feeling you can like it or not but that doesnt make it 'milk'
Holly on the other hand we know has a track record of lying and specifically damaging herself for attention (See: Heroes of cosplay where she made a costume out of material she was supposedly 'super allergic to') and trying to build herself off of other people's misfortunes (see: making etika's death about herself) It's BECAAUSE Holly is a bad person who had people fooled why the heat wont die down because even though it hasnt died down she's still trying to act like a 'uwu good girl mental health bird guru magician'
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That reminded me of the dating sim Asagao Academy that featured him as the super sexy confident rich family character that all the girls swooned over. Couldn't recall the name and found an old tweet that aged like kiviak lmao
Just look at any Diath fanart. Literally it is always some hot anime dude and Jared is like "OMG it's me:))))"
Same with Strix
I'm pretty sure a dozen threads ago people pointed out the inaccurate fanart and edited it to look the the actual Hored and it was hilarious
Even the anime filter couldn't hide his droopy eyes, long face, and bumpy beak nose. It did manage to give him a chin tho. kek
I can't believe this Heidi shit is still going on days later. Heidi has cow potential, but with time passing, she's running out of new milk to provide in this situation. She got the last of her shit from Jared, great. Do we really need to go in depth about trauma response and is she or isn't she a cow for the 50th time? I'm sure the jared/holly wks that occasionally wander into the thread are loving it at least.
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I can't stand her art style, but this seems like a really reasonable price for a pin, imo.
Also, what's up with her spooky Saturday? Did it get cancelled this week?
wow, finally one thing priced reasonably after the $100 cardigan fiasco, she's my hero /s
Her streaming schedule has been hit or miss since she came back several months ago. Any time she's "having a bad brain day" or thinks she's about to catch flack for something she sperged out about on twitter, she cancels that week's stream (there has been one occasion when it was cancelled for Kayla, but mostly cancelled on Hoelly's behest)
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This man really thinks this is a serve, huh?
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Why am I getting Spider-Man vibes
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Because he is 100% dorky-looking Peter Parker who thinks he's hot shit.
He still dresses and struts like Emo Parker.
And Willem Dafoe isn't nearly as creepy as he is.
'you dont know her past'
Are we talking about Holly 'scammed a cancer survivor, was proven to be a shitty liar on national television, cheated on her husband/was someone else's mistress, constantly gives people dogshit mental health advice to young impressionable fans just for a quick buck, made someone who she had no relation to's suicide about herself' Conrad?
Holly gets shat on and no one takes her 'uwu I'm mentally ill' excuses because she claims to get therapy and portrays herself as a mental health advocate but then spouts shit like 'Heidi is mentally ill so she's unfixable' so by Holly's logic she herself is also unfixable. I dont know what's so hard to understand about that.
can the anti-heidifags just stop already? whether you're jared/holly fans or just plain hate heidi, its not really milk or a considerable contribution to come in and screech about how she isnt a survivor per your standards.
its not even interesting to read anymore
every. single. time. someone makes a case against heidi they lack both the knowledge and the context of the situation to properly rag on her and make shitty points as to why the entire PROJARD/HOLLY CONRAD THREAD should be about HEIDI (who is NOT IN THE TITLE, and therefore ISNT A COW TO BE DISCUSSED beyond whats relevant to projard/holly drama) and how shes the mean whore who fucked 74 black dudes and sold jareds pwecious wine meaning she could NEVER be abused!
and like >>1046924
might have some more trauma or shit she doesnt tell the public but its not a reason to be a raging cunt for her entire professional career as a dnd/cosplayer influencer, dude. its not a reason to fucking homewreck an entire failing marriage.
i dont even understand why jared/holly fans think that heidi is more responsible for the divorce than jared or holly. if jared and holly loved eachother sooo sooo soooooo much jared would have properly gotten divorced and given heidi proper closure or something more than the twitter drama shit. like not in any point or in any context are those two so traumatized that they could not have even done THAT from the very beginning.
honestly also can anons just stop trying to dogpile the new "FUCK HEIDI LMAO" posts that filter through? they aren't thread relevant, just report for infighting b8/offtopic and move on. who fucking cares
Why I don't understand is why is Holly the Homewrecker not grateful? She got her ostrich man hybrid thanks to Heidi starting the divorce process. Why didnt she call her a malicious manipulator when Jared and Heidi were still married?
Why lash out now that she got was she got wanted? Surely true love won in the end?
Because Heidi ruined their clean wholesome narrative.
It was going to be Jared with an amicable but still hard divorce, Holly's "I'm so sorry you're going through this. I'm here if you need me." reply tweet, this was all going to lead in to a "I was there for him in tough times and now IRL Striath is a thing" and all the DCA stans would applause and WOTC would promote them as a flagship couple and then Heidi went and ruined that con.
That, and you often see people saying "Cheating is never
okay unless if the cheater was being abused!"
It's like an exception to the rule.
You must be new…
misses a single chance to talk about her past; her abusive
mother & alcoholic father, etc.
I think some people also forget how intense their and their fans' non-stop harping on Heidi when the drama was at it's height last year, it was pretty unsettling to watch imo.
Especially how Jared sneakily released his "you were lied to" video the exact same weekend Heidi went to her first con in forever, which led to her having to go home early because people harassed her following that video.
Or how intense their slander was behind the scenes. They spent the months leading up to the divorce/drama telling mutual friends and colleagues that Heidi was aggressive and abusive
. Not only did she have to deal with Jared telling her she was abusing him and gaslighting her about his affair, but she had to have so many people randomly just ghost/drop her because of whatever Holly whispered in their ears.
Holly led a literal smear campaign behind the scenes and then acted like Heidi was a monster for making it public
All the while Holly was pretending to be her best friend to her face. This is the kind of scheming you expect to happen in movies, not irl. I don't understand how Holly can't look back on all of this and not see what she did was bullying.
A friend of mine that was also following these threads commented that it was almost as if they were pushing her to one day harm herself or even worse. It's very over the top to think of it like that now, but how it was back then it almost
felt plausible since some of the attacks was a bit too well-timed with other instances and almost felt calculated.
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Holly's fatal flaw is that she genuinely thinks she's a good person only because she suffered. "Bullying builds character" and all that jazz. She is exactly one of those mentally ill people who don't realize they are seeping their toxicity out onto people around them because they are too preoccupied with their trauma to see how it affects everyone else
It's really easy to fall into that trap; you grow up in an environment that seemingly abuses you for no particular reason, no responsibility of yours, which means you're a good person in a bad situation. I'm sure when Holly was a child she was different. But she grew into this person who finds it easier to blame the world whenever something bad happens instead of looking inward in case the blame resides in herself, too. And she will rationalize herself as the heroine, the good person, the aware person, because it's easier to pave the road to hell with your "good intentions" than it is to see what you're actually doing, which is damaging and toxic and abusive.
Anything she does is prefaced with "I'm a good person, so" and thinks that magically all her actions are justified and all fallout from them is just the punishment that good people get for being good. I will bet she really feels like she's the Elphaba "no good deed goes unpunished" in this equation, someone who can see above the smoke and mirrors (she was apparently the only one who saw Jared was in an "abusive situation", after all, I don't think anyone actually spoke ill of Heidi before Holly developed feelings, how coincidental that the abuse narrative was born when Holly's sexuality did as well) and knows clearly what needs to be done.
And she believes that merely admitting she was "abusive in the past" gives her credentials to speak on it as though she's actually changed in any meaningful way. She's so brave for admitting a weak moment in her "good person" career!
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These gave me a chuckle
>Holly led a literal smear campaign behind the scenes and then acted like Heidi was a monster for making it public
>I don't understand how Holly can't look back on all of this and not see what she did was bullying.
Personally, I think she knows
what she did, she's just been scrambling to distract herself from all of it.
That's on par with a dude hitting you with his car, saying "I hit someone with a car", and then proceeding to run people over again in the future. Hoelly's admitting that she was abusive
in the past doesn't mean shit if she's still being abusive
in the present.
im kind of mad at the women who sent him nudes because I feel like they're directly responsible for me having to look at these pictures.
I used to think he must be self aware about how unattractive he is but maybe his ego really was inflated from all the thirsty nerd girls.
There's no correlation with that, unless you say that about literally anyone who post them being themselves in pics, I've seen numerous people dressed way worse "strutting" and I doubt they got nudes lol.
Jared's always been kinda like this, people are just paying more attention now outside of his occasionally posted video back in the day.
He probably suffers from what I call "the late bloomer fuckboy syndrome", typical nerd that didn't get a lot of attention from women when they were younger becomes famous on the internet, and suddenly women are thirsting after him so he takes the opportunity fuck around while he is still somewhat relevant.
It's a pretty common pattern with a lot of nerdy streamers/yters (especially ones that first seemed down to earth).
Man, not only is he ugly as fuck, but he's dressed like a douche autistic.
I think the handkerchief neck thing is him letting Holly dress him. Or maybe it's his mask? I'm just laughing at his attempt or Holly's to use fashion tips and not look in the mirror instead. He's doing a monochrome look, a french tuck, casual t shirt with a loose but structured jacket. The jeans are also an attempt at being a little fashionista. You can throw tons of tips together, but sometimes you're fashion blind. This would look retard on another man, but Jared's looks are what make it extra hilarious.
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Our sexy fashionista
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It's the skinny arms for me
I wish I had a quarter of the confidence that mediocre YouTube gamers have
I'll say this about Hored: they truly are a looksmatch
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Nah I’m good those clothes are a turn off
I love how, in both pics, he is trying to pose to make his shoulders look broader. Like if you can't look bigger through layers or light colors maybe you should trying gaining some weight and then hit the gym.
Or just accept that he's built like a 13 year old since around the same age of the female fans he tries hooking up with.
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Jared: guys my ex ruined my life and income I am so broke please dono and sub :,(
Also Jared: spends $70 on the world's ugliest pants
There are some nice pants on there but of course he picked out their worst option lmao
More proof that Him and Holly are totally fine financially, they just bitch because they aren't AS rich as before and cant live the same super bougie youtube lifestyle
When your gf has thicker arms than you
Queue that picture of her flexing and screaming at the camera
It's an ad. He got paid to wear them.
At least read shit first.
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Don’t get me wrong I’d ride him into battle if he didn’t have a shitty personality
Whoever is dressing him needs to get their eyesight checked
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Imagine this being your claim to fame sadoldmagician. Being friends with a mediocre video game reviewer who's most well known for destroying his career by soliciting nudes.
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I saw this as a reply to SadOldSimp’s post about the YT Play Button, things that make you go hmm.
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For some reason I'm craving attention and validation, thanks Instagram!
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This was my favorite sadoldreply, from someone asking what he thought of some anon telling heidiofans to kill himself. Sadold just vomits up a garbled pile of words that basically says "I know more than you haters ever will so you better shut it".
Oh, I’m sure that’s what happened Jared. eyeroll
And misinformed? I’m pretty sure I wasn’t misinformed over the fact that you used your internet fame to solicit nudes from your fans. He really does sound like Holly now.
I like that it's been so long that he had to say "a little over a year"
He knows a year ago today everyone was on his side and championing him as the cancel culture king, so he had to say a little over to get the sympathy
It's hard for me to believe this glitch happened convenient enough to be over a year instead of just a year
He is so pathetic
…You're an idiot if you believe that. It's why Snapchat eventually changed their storage method, because people could pull up shit from 2+ years ago.
Yes, DMs are infact, saved. I've had this happen with someone who blocked me and people I blocked their DMs normally disappear, but over a year later, they suddenly appeared again. It's "soft deleted" for you but stored on their servers.
Do you not understand why people are bitching about privacy laws and data collection these days?
idk why anons arent pointing out how pathetic it is for jared to bring it up, you know the big bad awful hate he received a "little over a year ago", regardless of whether or not it was saved and resent
like who cares ur feelings were hurt? its like shayna. i dont think your video game autist incel fans give a shit, jared
"No one knows Jared like I do!!!!"
Look out Holly, I think SadOld might be moving in on your man…
This depends, since he likely had interaction with a lot of the people who later talked shit etc when it all went down.
The "message request" section is only for people who don't follow you/you don't follow, especially if your page is private, which his is not.
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Yeah right. Remind me how she got that one person to remove videos on her again? Was it the "muh mental health card"?
If Heidi did this none of you would call it for what it is lol.
Trust me anon, if people LEGIT do have mental issues or feeling a certain way (suicidal) they check themselves in, if they have a following they let people know. It's normal.
You can't be admitted without actual issues.
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I guess that IG story worked on some idiot fans. Time will tell if its effective enough to get his paypigs to open their wallets.
"never suicide baited" my ass. If I am a "mental health guru" and legitimately suicidal I am NOT going to post about my desire to die on social media to a platform of presumably fragile individuals who may be triggered
at my pics of hospital bands and implications of me wanting to kill myself. You either know better to keep that shit to yourself because as a "mental health guru" you don't wave around your suicidal tendencies and you take care of it privately because it's SUICIDE, or you just state you need a break off social media, done and dusted
Oh also her tumblr used to be FULL of her woe is me posts whenever someone was mean to her, if you think this behaviour is new to Holly, I have news for you, it's not lol
- scams a cancer patient
- gets into drama with heroes of cosplay
- has a fit on twitter because blonde Shephard won instead of her own
- stole someone's important witchcraft objects from an altar in the forest
- self-admitted to be abusive to her husband and friends
- is shown on video to be grumpy and unsupportive of husband
- has pity-match with Suzy on video about who suffered more in school
- did not act transparent to her husband about her affair with Jared
- would sext and send noodies to Jared while still (legally or not) with his wife
- used etika's actual suicide to complain about the internet
- overcharged for artwork or "mental health tips"
- called Heidi unfixable
- supports other online abusers from the DnD community
- "heidi is abusive" narrative began when holly's sexual feelings for jared began
- dumped his original circle of internet co-creators because his ego was bruised and inflated
- was flirtatious to multiple online female presences whether they wanted to or not
- create multiple nsfw blogs and encouraged fans to send him pics, creating a power imbalance
- blatantly showed favouritism when he liked what he saw and was cold when he didn't
- was lying to his wife and was commissioning nsfw art of his and his dnd coworker's characters
- refused to actually make a choice and kept juggling both at the same time
- chased down other online creators who made videos that went against him
- is shown wearing merch that is publicly mocking his ex wife who he asked to be "treated with respect"
- wanted clear boundaries of their poly relationship
- wanted transparency for their actions
- wanted to preserve her marriage
let's recap: every single supporter of holly's story is directly connected to holly herself. not a single soul from anyone not immediately connected to holly has attested to heidi being abusive. not normalboots, not jirard, not a single soul who orbited around jared more than holly. not once was heidi ever theorized or tinfoiled to be abusive, no milk on her, not even from jared himself. there are no old tweets, no con juicy stories, nothing
the only single common denominator in this shitshow of a situation is holly conrad. Someone who self proclaimed to have been abusive, someone whose ex husband alluded to be abusive, someone who has shown public immaturity, notlikeothergirls-ism, disprespect for other people, inability to listen, and a stunning amount of narcissism. someone who was dropped like a hot potato by the game grumps, by the Polaris people like jesse cox, dodger, by anyone who was in closer proximity to holly that could have known her more. someone who sells mental health tips and yet publicly airs her mental health laundry instead of having the wisdom to know maybe it's not a good idea when your entire audience is built off of supposedly being sensitive
but yes, sadoldmagician, it's heidi that's the true evil in all this. Not at all the people with consistently poor actions in their CV, and bigger audiences. Not at all the people who proclaim out loud to be kind, but will not reign in their toxic fans who attack other people. not at all the people who rewarded their most ass-kissing fans with prime time presence which is power imbalance 101.
Fuck yeah, anon
My favorite bit is that SOM is like "they never did this bad stuff, they told me they didn't so they didnt!"
It's like saying "I know the evidence is there, but that guy told me he did not kill that dude, soooo I believe him"
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This is the request for an apology in Chai/Charlie’s email to the Game Grumps. They sent a similar version of this email to Normal Boots that omitted this request.
Oh no, Hoelly has plenty of issues - but the timing of her admission (immediately, within HOURS, of her fuckboi releasing his divorce statement and her fucked up 'I'm sorry you're going through this' tweet?) screams that she used it as a way to avoid the public backlash heading her way. Every time she says or does something that blows up, she pulls the "I'm sorry, I'm mentally ill" card to avoid getting in trouble.
She might not be faking, but she's sure as hell abusing it as an excuse to be shitty human being with no repercussions.
It's really not that simple or straight to the point lol. She doesn't have to be an actress, if you have a record you GET admission priority and taken seriously.
The 48 hour hold is mainly to look into your record and keep an eye on you just in case, but if random person #8372 says they're suicidal with no record or even medical problems, they can't just say fuck off basically.
The timing I would suspect, but if you have a history of mental illness, there are things called triggers
that, despite who it is, should be taken seriously.
are serious yes.
"Holly Conrad fucked my husband" is not a trigger
And her triggers
, in that case, appeared to be getting forced to face reality that she is the side ho who was fucking a married man behind his wife's back….and the public she chose to make a career in doesn't typically look favorably on homewreckers.
not the same anon, but because I went spelunking in older threads, here's the posts with Jared's DM apology to Chai, where he says that someone close to him notified him about the situation>>808480>>>/snow/808480
and here's further down in the same thread where there's screenshots of messaging Holly about it >>808484>>>/snow/808484
included "normal" links as well just in case
that "someone close to him" being Holly
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Back in his insta hug box and love how the dark circles under his eyes have completely vanished after a fan commented that he’s aged 10 years due to the drama
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sorry but he still fucking looks like the bird from mulan
and of course you'll be greeted with complete silence now that you've managed to produce something resembling actual receipts on the timeline of holly tattling on chai/charlie to jared lmao
like clockwork, every thread. these anons (possibly unemployed and living off the wife's salary while focusing on their "full time work" as a twitch moderator) come in here to point fingers in all directions, just to get thoroughly BTFO'd. it's baffling.>>1049805
sometimes i get the feeling this is the guy who dropped that log on heidi's doorstep
it's sad cause this shitshow is about a year old, and the GG threads were following from the start
we have a year's worth of screenshots, receipts, tweets etc. I think there is very little that isn't archived at this point
just because someone forgot something doesn't mean it didn't exist at some point
just like jared's defense of himself being "oh look they deleted their tumblr" doesn't mean the incriminating evidence didn't exist at some point, in fact it's highly convenient for Jared to have the blog deleted.
Cryaotic should have taken a page from the Jared sexpest handbook lol
>>1052183>It's so he can feign innocence
You hate jared but stop being a dumbass. Unlike Tumblr, if you PURPOSEFULLY view a page tagged at 18+ and you're a minor that is on YOU for sure, just like even on tumblr people LIED about their age.
Jared is no saint but outside of doxxing people he only had to go on their word they were of age because looking at any archived version of his tumblr(s) you can see he said you're free to participate if you're an adult and you'd be lying if you think everyone under 18 looks like a 10 year old.>>1052190
You -literally- have to be 18+ to sub on adult oriented OFs. He's not playing with fire, I guarantee every other creator has underage fans throwing themselves at them or other sus stuff going.
Look at the smash community lately.
anon you did a lot of mental math, but forgot that vetting people for their age is no excuse for being a sleazy piece of shit who took advantage of his fans, had inappropriate interactions with them regardless of age, and along the way, produced some of the worst horrors my eyes have had to witness
i don't even think it's a question of age anymore. if jared's encouraging his (now less than) 1mil fans to be inappropriate, if he's subjecting his hundreds of tumblr followers to extremely NSFW discussions and later pictures, then that's already bad enough even without adding the pedo conversation
>i guarantee every other creator has underage fans throwing themselves at them
in what world does this give PooJared a free pass for ANY of what he did
>>1052217>but forgot that vetting people for their age is no excuse
It's no excuse, but it's like trying to sue 2 adults for having sex in a hotel you run after you find out they did so, despite being consenting adults in a hotel you have to be 18+ to stay at.
>i don't even think it's a question of age anymore.
As sleazy as needledick is, you realistically can't condemn adults consenting to stuff, that's why regardless of status, literally the only thing he could have done would have inevitable doxxed a shit ton of people (especially when things blew up like how it did.)
>in what world does this give PooJared a free pass for ANY of what he did
In the world that people thinks that's what that statement implies, I assume. It's more like saying there's a shit ton of shady shit going on people are finding out about from virtually everyone these days. It's a big reason the smash community blew up recently and why people tried throwing Dan under the bus not too long ago.
So you can't really say someone launching an OF is playing with fire if said "fire" is related to being shady somehow. There's nothing inherently wrong with doing OF.
>It's no excuse, but it's like trying to sue 2 adults for having sex in a hotel you run after you find out they did so, despite being consenting adults in a hotel you have to be 18+ to stay at.
this is the dumbest analogy i think i've ever read, is your comment satire
> why people tried throwing Dan under the bus not too long ago.
no one tried to throw dan under the bus, he lied down in front of the tires
Lets say for the sake of this discussion that Belle Delphine, a girl who has been exploiting sad lonely incels for years now, accepts nudes from one of those fans as part of her OF interaction with them. They're paying her to indulge in their fantasy and she has the option to say no.
Is that still wrong?
Her name is on the OF. She has fans outside of her NSFW content due to her being such a meme. Many of them are likely underaged.
Except people literally post nudes etc and women posting being hairier than most men I've met in the name of body positivity. It's the same as anon said.
Only difference: one is a woman doing it.
Seems to be: "It's fine, but it's projared, so it's not fine."
Basically, people's hatred for him outweighs logic. In the example of belle, she's an even bigger name than jared and equally as shady lol.
It’s amazing how people are presenting their totally valid
and logical arguments to you and you’re swatting them away with “nah, I don’t agree with that because I want to suck Jared’s dick”. If you’re not going to listen to anything anyone who disagrees with you has to say, how about you just stick to the pro-projared subreddit, or the discord, or twitter, there are plenty of places where your obsessive love for him will get the asspats you’re searching for, dude.
Look if Jared wants to open an OF then that's on him, nobody can stop him. At least his nudes will be behind a paywall
There is a HUGE difference between giving out paid-for content to consenting adults, and ASKING for nudes on a very public platform (which is full of young people), with zero legal protection, and having such a big name for yourself
Belle Delphine was a zero before she became big. Jared was already someone
and the very fact he was that someone is what separated him from "uwu sex positive kinky youtuber uwu" to sex creep who asks women for nudes on the internet. Take away his clout, and that's exactly what he was
I don't think you're addressing an argument that was made. I think you're interpreting other anon saying "on paper the Tumblr blog isn't doing anything strictly wrong" as "it was okay for Jared to attach his name to it". Which I don't think is what they're trying to say.
He's sleazy because he attached his name, not because he used tumblr to exchange nudes.
It's totally possible I misunderstood!
I think an element of both is sleazy, but it's only because they are always gonna be tied together. No matter what, he's always gonna be ProJared asking for nudes. The reason they are connected is because if he wasn't Projared, but just a rando, the amount of nudes he'd receive if he made the same requests? Ehhh, quite likely a lot fewer than he got. The reward the nude-givers got would also be a lot less, since if he was just a rando, it'd probably be women who are into exhibitionism, sending nudes to strangers, women who are more likely to do it anyway (whether jared asked or not). But when ProJared, the content creator you're such a fan of asks for nudes, and possibly compliments you or finds you sexy?!!? that's such a confidence boost!
Which is also why it was even ickier when he clearly did not like the nude and would reply like "thank you for your courage in sharing". If you didn't know what replies other nudes got you'd probably think he's being generally kind and uplifting, but knowing that some folk not only got nudes in return, but sexting, and even one night stands?
The whole thing reeked. At least if he was a rando, the likelihood of women getting upset from that situation would be a lot less than it is now.
You would have to go SUPER far back but yes his replies to nudes would absolutely depend
There were some nudes (I'm pretty sure the reply is either screenshot or archived here) where he was very polite and like "thank you for sharing"
And then others he'd reply back and flirt and as we saw from that con girl who banged him at the con hotel, well… he clearly liked HERS enough
no more like he treated people like shit and then people came out and said "yeah he treated me like shit.">>1052337
> Is that still wrong?
actually, yeah. it can most certainly be argued that it's not ethical even in that context.
but you're comparing apples to oranges and i'm not going to sit here and explain the obvious difference between having an official OF account and soliciting nudes on tumblr.
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That anon shouldn't flatter themselves. That shitty blog gets 3 notes on a good day. And the only reason why we know it exists is because they spent most of a year fighting with people on this thread while obsessively combing through hundreds of posts that trigger them.
But yeah sadoldmagician you know so much. What reason they have to lie. Now he's gonna tell me that Ross wasn't abused on cheated on. Cause what reason would Holly and Jared have to lie about that?
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Took like 5 seconds to find.
Can he make even one reply without dropping in the fact that he knows Jared PERSONALLY so he knows the truth? I mean, Heidi knew him personally too and look how that worked out for her - He threw her ass to the wolves the first chance he got to make himself look like the true victim
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Someone's late to the party…
Also Heidi wasn't the one who made the 'swapping nudes with minors' allegations, but sure.
see all i'm reading is "context doesn't matter, it was two adults and nothing else about the entire circumstance is important"
again, you just don't understand the context of it all>i'll pay you to look at my dick>i'm a horny ass, send me your naked pictures
do you literally not see any difference here
(fwiw i think it is still completely wrong, and i'm baffled you need this spelled out, but this is not the thread for that discussion)>>1052366
go back to the twitch chat bb
do you think him and geraldo RP as jared and holly in bed lmfao
or would it be striath puke
maybe i missed it but i don't see a lot of geraldo publically setting herself on fire for jared or holly, at least not to the point that sadold is.
now sadold and uno girl, those are two simps who would have a grand old time rolepalying as hored in bed, a real simp party.
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What do you mean? Totally content
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LMAO im dyin anon
I find it interesting that Jared had posted on his Twitter that he was co-streaming, but he didn’t even mention that it was with Holly. And now the tweet is gone! I was going to screenshot it but I was too late to do so.
Also, I just recently caught wind of the Ryan Haywood/RT drama and it sounds a lot like a certain sexpest we all know about…
That is such an unflattering shot of Holly.
She looks like a Drag Race contestant when they're told to get into "Quick Drag" for a mini challenge.
Kek. I can't stand Holly's attempt at being charming and interesting and Jared is such a little bitch. >>1053270
Whoa! Nightmare fuel. Holly looks terrible but Jared is on a whole level of hideous. The lighting makes him look balder and like his eyeballs are trying to run away from his head.
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Made me think of a lovely quote from Roald Dahl
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I am so out of the loop, if someone can explain, please…
for a second there I thought that was Kati, Arin's batshit "ex"
I mean, going for that aesthetic it's actually nice since it does have that old-timey look to it.
..oh wait it's holly can't compliment.
>>1053685> they were e-dating for maybe a week
lol even that is putting it generously. arin had a massive crush on her for a couple of years but she strung him along and kept him as an orbiter, they never dated, not even e-dated
just pointing it out because i find it deliciously ironic that he's now rich and famous and she's thirsting after him so hard.
She literally looks bored in the photo? Also old timey look where? Her ugly basic hipster hat or her half assed attempt at some vintage/antique dress?
It's a picture that does her -10 favors and just demonstrates she has no way how to dress herself.
Obvi sage for fashion sperging.
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I went to see what was kt talking about and she definitely lost it.
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KT has also started releasing audio files of herself rambling about different topics. In this one, she is literally giddy that "I'm a Sandman character!" She talks at length about how the artist, Nick Robles, must have been studying her closely to copy her likeness. She considers it a romantic "grand gesture" that he replicated her so perfectly, implying that the artist has feelings for her. She truly believes this.
I guess after not getting enough attention and the artist not acknowledging her, she switched it up to say it's stalking and makes her uneasy. Now she's trying to get attention for being a stalking victim
The tweet for this audio file also includes pic related. I can only guess she made this? It's very obviously copied from Suzy's style, but KT is obsessed with blue butterflies and probably thinks that Suzy somehow copied her. https://www.dropbox.com/s/u7bg393kyv9nhss/liquidhappyweek.m4a?dl=0
I forgot how hilarious KT was! She was the main source of keks in this thread before the Jared drama broke.
Lol at how the only thing in common is hair color.
She says she doesn't know.
She mentions her hair, her moles, her crooked mouth and her nose. She concentrates on how his dialogue is in purple and that's her favorite color even when she was 14! She always writes in purple ink!
The artist didn't even reply to Suzy. Matt Mercer replied to Suzy, and he also knows the artist. So KT believes that Suzy convinced Matt Mercer to convince Nick Robles to create a character based on KT…. for some nefarious reason.
no no, the artist made a tweet in which he mentioned Matt Mercer (who ig gets @'d like 500 times a day but nevermind), WHO HAS maybe once replied to Suzy
so she says she, or rather "we found the connection"
the connection being Suzy who is obviously ruining her life by somehow… encouraging Nick Robles to stalk KT and steal her likeness for a Neil Gaiman book character illustration…
i'm dying welcome back KT i missed ya crazy girl
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She should definitely sue.
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ohhh my god, I forgot how batshit katie is, so glad she's still making the rounds
here's her deciding, without even reading the source material, that her ideas are sooo much better than what the dude who 'stole her likeness' came up with
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and her rendition lmfao
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older tweet but honestly goes to show she's worth keeping up with since there's no brakes on her crazy train
I like the KT milk quite a bit but it honestly doesn't fit in this thread. This is not a GG thread and hasn't been for some time.
Does KT warrant her own thread? Milk would be slow, but she's clearly on her own wavelength and no one is interacting with her. She's completely separate from Jared and Holly though, and having KT posts trickle in every 6 months is just confusing.
GG and KT don't produce enough milk on their own. They did during Suzy's jewelry scam, but she's definitely calmed down. Suzy lost weight so we can't even laugh at her weight gain and we've already discussed old milk. Even if Suzy was as bratty as ever, she's still not bad enough to hold her own as a cow. KT is a damn interesting cow, but she's so much of a nobody it almost cancels out her antics.
Jared and Holly are pretty solid even if the scandal has dried up. We know they'll be some sperging as Holly stops making excuses for Jared after enough time from his divorce passes and she realizes that Jared is just a guy who uses women for sex. We're all on standby to see her get what she deserves. I also like to see Jared's bitterness about losing his career.
So I guess, GG drama, KT on her own and Projared/Holly stuff are all things that aren't really related to each other but we keep it here because it at least keeps the thread active.
Thread topics get separated for readability, not based on how fast the milk is. Currently, there is no way to recap KT's antics unless you want to skim through 20+ threads of unrelated people.
She might not be prolific but she's definitely unique. She's completely unrelated to Hored and posting her here just confuses people. GG were removed from the title + OP several threads ago for a reason. None of it is relevant here.
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I don’t think dying his hair is going to help…
what a beautiful man. i especially like how the whites of his eyes show above
his pupil on the left, and below
on the right>>1054122
isn't he 35 now?
You spoke of Holly and Jared, everything is automatically you trying to defend them unless you're absolutely trashing them.
Don't say negative about heidi though even if a situation warrants it.
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sage bc it's kinda old but i don't think it was brought up yet
kt is tagging etika, using his situation for her own benefit even though it has nothing to do with her, just like holly. our cows are colliding!
I remember finding out that HoC had a lot of drama and buzz about Holly and her friend because of some ancient, ancient threads somewhere discussing the show (as it was being aired). I am almost certain they were referenced in PULL (rip that was a good thread) but I'm sure someone could find them again if they really searched
that and those tweets of her bitching about femshep votes clued me in that she's always been a problematic
person, she just began infantilizing herself in her pastel uwu phase where she wouldn't say bad words and talked like a toddler
I've been trying to find the links back then, I'm pretty sure it was on /cgl
here's the indiegogo campaign for the costume that Holly and Chloe bailed on https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/samara-from-mass-effect-2-cosplay-with-the-real-model#/
and here is an archive of a thread discussing cosplayers in general but they do touch on the show and Holly a bit https://archive.is/20151204194406/https://warosu.org/cgl/thread/S7634464
TL;DR if anyone wants old discussion of HoC they would likely find it there or on tumblr, or by googling hoc/holly and filtering through tons of results, all the posts and ranting are still there I believe
I'm trying to dig around… This is an older one where Holly tries to gaslight people with grievances with the show. I recalled more activity from Holly but Tumblr threads are ridiculous to dig through so this is the link I have rn:https://reeson.tumblr.com/post/90530954344/reeson-lunarprincessyue-aobakuronuma
Also found this re: the Doctor Who debacle, but no names are named:https://heroesofcosplayconfessions.tumblr.com/post/61548039506/jellybabiesandjammiedodgers-via-amy-schley
This "confession" seems to confirm Holly had a strong active hand in it though:https://heroesofcosplayconfessions.tumblr.com/post/61684352337
Just like with Jared, just like with Adam Koebel, Holly sides with the abusers.
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Lmao she's so fucking delusional this is amazing
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Gotta go, but you get the idea.
Didn't they also use a material in one costume that made the person wearing it sick (due to allergy IIRC) because they were in a hurry?
Hoelly has been the pro of cutting corners and still expecting maximum payout since day one.
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With every new 'funnyman-gamer uses his fame to bone fans' controversy, the name "ProJared" is whispered… https://mobile.twitter.com/lexicamille/status/1315091513102282753
That thread is heartbreaking. Did she come out about it last year?
This is why I cant forgive Jared for the blog. It's a creepy abuse of power
She did. I guess it was overlooked because it wasn't UNDERAGED GIRLS ZOMG.https://mobile.twitter.com/lexicamille/status/1126505555881709570
There's an awkward split where 7 and 8 of the thread are both replies to 6, if you feel the story suddenly ends at 7. It's a 17-post thread.
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Anyone notice the similarities between this streamer and Heidi? Hmm…
The doctor who story makes me so fuckin sad and angry at the HoC show and Hoelly for being such a cunt
I remember watching that show when it aired and even the cut and approved version of the show made everyone look like total jackasses and some outright incompetent
Meh, that was a stream announcement. He and most streamers delete those once the stream ends. This is a video for his gameplay channel, so makes sense he would leave it up.
Something about the way he is snuggling up to a small handful of young pretty indie twitch girls makes me very uncomfy. Especially since he sexually identifies as polyamorous. I cant help but see him promote and stream with these women and think "is he gonna hold this over their heads?" Like "hey babe I gave you so many new followers will you send me a pic?"
I get your concern but this is LITERALLY no different than other streamers doing this, which is you follow a lot on twitter you'll see this is beyond common but it's usually the "cute little indie streamers" snuggling up to the bigger names.
>Especially since he sexually identifies as polyamorous; "is he gonna hold this over their heads?"
That's not what being poly means nor is that his goal in this regard. I dislike jared but that's a TAD BIT too obvious to try to pull in the public, especially when you're now constantly being pegged as a predator.
Oh wow, she looks just like
Then again, Heidi did
say that he was into redheads…
Yes, according to anons here, consent means nothing unless its lesbians/enbi giving it to each other, especially adults consenting.
>got her nudes and then threatened to release them to the public or destroyed her life, right?
Hilariously enough, people were defending up, down left and right heidi/holly should sue if their nudes got released but people were GLADLY spreading jareds like the laws don't go both ways.
oh no dude don't get me wrong, it's not like if you're 17 and 364 days you're an untouchable little baby and the second you turn 18 BAM you're a full grown adult and good luck making bad choices!
It's entirely possible he was slimey and she felt gross once she realized she wasn't as special as she thought she was and he completely took advantage of the power dynamic, but… abuse? that's not abuse, right?
eh i don't think her story is as tragic as painted here, but after reading it, i do recognize the power imbalance at play. except it had nothing to do with his fame as a z-lister and more to do with the age difference.
jared is in his 30s and this girl's story screamed "i am a dumb kid." and yeah, sorry, 18 might be legal in terms of the law, but if you get to be 30 and don't look at an 18 year-old and go "oh look, a child," there's something the fuck wrong with you. so for me it just cements the idea that jared is super scummy.
Really? Have other streamers been caught literally with their pants down?? Have they also been caught fucking fans, running multiple porn blogs and manipulating their followers for tit pics?
Jared is a creepy sexpest and has proven that time and time again. Him collabing with someone who looks eerily like his recently ex-wife? Sus as fuck.
When it comes from a place of unequal power (an e-celeb and just a random person) is absolutely abusive
and manipulative. Money says yall were the same people who have no problem going after clinton for fucking monica lewinsky, but now because it's Jared, it's okay?
holy false equivalence, batman. Jared is not the president of the USA lmao, afaik being mildly entertaining on the internet talking about 30 year old videogames is not the same as having the keys to a nuclear arsenal and using your charm as the literal most influential person in the world to get a blowie from a 20 year old intern.
I'm sorry for her and jared was wrong, i'm saying that ABUSE is kind of a strong word for this particular case, especially cus she didnt go through hell because of his interaction with jared, like Lewinski did because of her affair with Clinton.
You want to argue over the term I used, fine. The point is that Jared KNEW he was a relative e-celebrity. He KNEW that fans were more likely to send in nudes if they knew he was behind it (why else would he have slapped 'SinJared' on it? If it was just about body positivity, he could have ran it anonymously).
Also, you claim this person didn't go through hell and I'd agree that what she went through isn't the same as what Lewinski went through - but have you not watched the ravenous attitude of his fanbase? They've straight up sent Heidi death threats, despite her also having a public following. You honestly think they wouldn't do the same to some random who spoke out against their favorite?
oh i 100% agree jared is a piece of shit in that regard, lol. never said otherwise.
and i agree that she must have felt terrible that she couldn't say anything (if she didnt) because of the potential backlash. my point is, i dunno, semantics i guess? it does make me a bit of an asshole lol.
yeah you're right. at the end of the day i don't know either of those people, feeling that awful can't be fun
Shit on a doorstep one time only screams "a drunk/high person went through here"
A message would repeat.
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I'm supposed to feel sorry for this bitch? Because I don't.
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Ayyy Our boy got a shout-out in reference to recent events!
oh shit I thought this was Heidi for a second before lurking more.
Is this another Shoe/Kiwi situation.
Yeah, exactly. To my understanding if you try to post porn on Tumblr now, they’ll make it so that your blog isn’t easily viewable.
But anyway, I don’t feel one bit sorry that Jared “never wants to see Tumblr ever again.” That’s his own damn fault.
IIRC from archived posts, he had pretty much abandoned the platform and nuked his accounts right when Tumblr started the "no porn" policies.
Once Tumblr stopped being a source of sexual thrills for him, it no longer had a use.
So of course he wants nothing to do with it anymore.
I dont think that's true because that girl's tweets up thread mentioned that once he deleted sinjared he messaged her on his regular projared account to continue the sexting and such
I think his main account kept going a little bit so he could keep in contact with his favorite sexters
My guess is that his main account was deleted once those emails from chai and Charlie went around but im not sure
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Wtf is wrong with these Jared fans? He did sleep with fans and ghosted them. I forgot her name. And the only time they stayed silent was after Jared privately "contacted" just like those popular videos from smaller Youtubers disappeared after he "contacted" them.
No, Heidi just submitted a post to the blog saying she was okay with it because people kept asking her "hey do you know your husband has a nude blog?" Heidi never sexted or interacted with the people that submitted to the blog.
Jared led her on saying Heidi was into her and stuff because she was gay and he knew he wouldn't get nudes unless he led her on using Heidi.
Jared had sex with fans regularly at cons.
Gavin White doesn't know shit.
Also if it was about body positivy and sharing your body publicly why did he take it privately to DMs? He used the blog to select certain bodies he liked. When the drama broke people said "I didn't know he was sending nudes back and fucking people, I sent my nude he said good job and never spoke to me again"
He literally just used the body positivity as a way to pick and choose which bodies were good enough for him. Does he find you attractive? He will DM you and get sexual. Does he not find you attractive? He will say good job, post your nude, and never speak to you again.
Not to mention the times fans dmed wanting to talk about DnD or FF- THINGS HIS CHANNEL IS ABOUT!- and he would respond "mandatory send nudes"
Dont worry guys it was alllll just a big joke, right?
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This lady is craaaaaazy
Oh godddd my eyes rolled so hard they fell out of my head.
If Twitter is causing so much “uwu ANGUISH” then uh, idk, close your eyes?? Log off? Don’t go on twitter? Jesus Christ, people. Nobody is forcing you to look at fucking social media, lol
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Projared fan art is making a comeback
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I see nothing but the truth there.>>1059279
Ugh. He sure as fuck doesn’t deserve any fanart of him to be made ever again.
Objectively, ProJared is not a handsome or attractive person. His face is very unbalanced and has lopsided features. Heidi is a standard definition of "pretty" – so I don't see the issue here
sages for not adding anything
Help where is the J.A.R.E.D. System meme from a few threads back?
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What obnoxious people. First, the desperation he has to be popular again ain't cute. Second, they really are that meme where they fall off the bike and blame Heidi for it.
Man, look at that desperation for a boost in relevance and revenue.
And yeah, "good reason". Wanted you to be faithful rather than dip your dick in whatever you fancied. Didn't want you having gross RP sex with the frumpy harpy that keeps screeching ABUSE.
Much good reason, very smort.
Holly "the hypocrite" Conrad strikes again
be kind uwu
She is such a reply girl
Her responding to his stuff about Heidi just goes to show how much she inserted herself into their relationship
I wonder if it annoys him that every single time he tweets anything she's in the replies with a generic gif
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Sometimes Twitter provides some cheap giggles
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Bonus #BeKind + some more Mental Health 'Advocacy'
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I expected Mr. Gavin 'AnimeDoom' White to have very little self-awareness, but holy shit…
Also, how the fuck is this dude not suspended yet? He's said way
worse shit than that Matt Lawson dude who actually did
No no, you don't get it anon! JARED left HER! Not the other way around!!!
…At least I think
that's the current narrative…
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I wonder what she said here…
Is there any way to search deleted tweets?
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Literally every other tweet is shit like this
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>"she took advantage of it dating multiple men but he did nothing until SHE insisted on him being with someone else."
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Just keep on making those baseless claims, Gavin!
>"Jared never did anything with his fans"
Dude, one of the fans that he slept with
literally shared convos about it.
Is this bitch actually trying to re-write history here?
It’s funny that they can’t bring themselves do defend him for what he actually did, so instead they make up a more innocent fantasy version of him that they can feel good about defending. They’re inadvertently admitting that his actual
behaviour was shitty and indefensible. I wonder how Jared feels about that.
She even ended up DEFENDING Jared (even though it's quite obvious Jared successfully manipulated her into it)
Then again, I guess He wouldn't want to admit anything
that could even slightly
It's baffling because this
particular dude never @'d Jared ONCE until
the drama broke. Now, if you search ProJared; there he his! If I were Jared, I would be at least a bit
suspicious about that, & I certainly wouldn't be giving them satisfaction by liking their inflammatory tweets calling people 'simps'
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Gavin needs to catch up on the sex pest he’s so vehemently defending; Jared had the games and he sent them back to her. Keep up, Gavin!!
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Uh-oh, someone missed the memo about ProJared's channel-demographics…
Imagine getting triggered
simply by someone saying the word "wife"
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TBH, I'm glad Heidi didn't say anything to make the recent RT/AH scandals about her & her situation, & instead she rt'd a statement about it & offered support to those affected by it.
I still remember Holly & Jared jerking themselves off when someone compared Jared's situation to Johnny Depp's which was beyond insulting to Depp & what he went through.
Yeah, she looks absolutely pathetic here.
Like the annoying henchman who keeps sniveling "Yeah boss! You tell 'em, boss!" only to get swiftly backhanded by said 'boss'.
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I guess this person doesn’t know that Jared fucked fans too.
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Imagine falling for bait this hard…
Also the bottom reply made me lol
OMG that last comment, LOL.
Funny how Gavin White is accusing that poster of harassment when he straight up harasses everyone on Twitter if they speak badly of the sexpest.
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These replies got me ROLLING
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When you turn out to be the only 'simp' in the convo…
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Imagine falling for the bait again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again…
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Yep, he simps for Holly too!
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>"First, there was no sex involved…."
They don't even read their own subreddit.
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Gavin didn't have a 'witty' comeback for this one…
But Anon!… Poor wittle ProJared is the #1 martyr of Cancel Culture
He's got a brand new success-story to sell!
This thread is like 10% pro-Heidi and 90% exhausted with these false equivalences trying to distract from valid
criticism against Jared. You are not slapping us in the face with some shocking gotcha, you are flopping your flaccid dick on the ground while everyone rolls their eyes.
change isn't a "You've been lied to!" video 8-9 months after the fact followed by several months bemoaning the fact that you lost everything because your victims
spoke up instead of remaining silent. What's your point?
*were, they've liked to many red pilled fan tweets since then for that to fly anymore in woke twitter circles.>>1060880
Thank you, Heidi is barely even relevant anymore and the "but muh Heidi, you guys never say enough mean things about muh Heidi" shtick that other anon replies to every post to this thread with is beyond tiresome.
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Well, this person isn’t wrong about that.
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Old but still relevant.
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Guys, did you know that Holly invented witches in 2017 when she made her character Strix? Witches are totally her thing and her thing only, Heidi making witch hats in a completely different style during the Halloween season is clearly her trying to become Holly. Pathetic that she thinks anyone has the right to make witch content before asking Holly for permission
Sounds like someone's been reading the thread and is upset that Holly's terrible attempt at skin walking Heidi is obvious lmao
Sadold knows that Jared isn't desperate enough to let him blow him, right? It's getting really sad to see the pick-me groveling.
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Nah I think they know how stupid it is yet totally still agree
Holly owns spooky stuff, even around Halloween. God forbid Heidi makes Halloween content to sell!!!
By their logic Holly is absolutely copying Suzy, since Holly never showed much interest in horror and spooky stuff until these past few years. Before then it was all Suzy while Holly was more pastel fantasy and birbs obsessed
I know HeidiOFans hatereads this thread every day, hopefully he will realise how stupid this take is, but realistically he will say we are all being mean and are "triggered
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They do realise that Heidi was married to Jared and friends with Holly for a reason, right? She absolutely is gonna have stuff in common with them. Believe it or not your favorite D lister content creators dont own spooky or TTRPG content jesus fucking christ
I guess Heidi is supposed to abandon all her previous interests and also not get any new ones that have anything in common with her ex's GF
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The hats went viral because they are extremely trendy. They don't look anything like Holly's ugly witch but they do look like popular depictions of "soft pastel botanical witches" that are all over the art and fashion world. It's ridiculously popular. Just look at the witch art of vickysigh or others in that vein.
Also, the first one was made in 2018 and worn with a costume. It's clearly developed from previous work and popular influences.
These scrote Holly stans have to be totally oblivious to fashion trends to think Holly created her own look to begin with, but it's even more of a stretch to claim the hats are copying Holly. That's like KT levels of "you stole my identity (blue hair)"
You do realize your “Heidi is the devil, Holly is innocent” act isn’t going to work, just like it didn’t work the other nine thousand times you tried, right? The argument is very much against your idol, and if you would stick your head out of her ass for five minutes you would realize that.
Saged for, well, obvious reasons
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Heidi's been posting about witches tho?
Like, I'm not even a heidi stan, but it took me two mins to find this old post from a past thread. It's October. Of course she's going to be posting "spooky" shit. lmao
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Stop sperging out anons, neither of them 'stole' being "forest witches" from the other, they've both talked about both things for pretty much the entire time they've had twitter. Stop trying to imply they suddenly changed.
Point to me anyone saying that the criticisms against Holly and Jared are wrong.
There's an awful lot of whiteknighting for Heidi in this thread in general, and that's not what /snow/ is for. We're here to laugh at cringey fucking people. Personally I think anyone
who considers themselves a "witch" is full cringe.
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Lol even other Hored supporters think this is a stupid fucking reach.
god forbid someone actively working on recovery can find joy in things that may have previously had negative connotations for them
but it's totally not a red flag that holly admits that twitter is a means of self harm for herself but can't stop setting fires there to the point that even on her 'breaks' she still has to passive aggressively like things on her shared business account
uwu mental health experts, everybody
1) they don't have anything to "recover" from.
2) nothing and no one is stopping them from playing D&D at home. We just don't want them on official platforms, and that's 100% what they've been whingeing about.
the last flakey thing heidi did was post about the games, her celebrating a major commercial holiday by releasing a halloween line is not milky in the slightest, if you're so convinced it is go post on kf about it, they hate women there but even they aren't going to fall for that shit
>Jared or Holly try doing the same
no one cares if they play DnD, people care about them building up their platforms again because they've used their platforms to abuse their power/enable abuse and have shown no real understanding of the problem or remorse. they're welcome to play all the DnD they want in private, no one cares
No, Hoelly deserves to be deplatformed for labelling and marketing herself as some kind of mental health guru despite the fact that she openly struggles with her own issues including suicidal tendencies (that led to her checking in to a mental health facility), and self harm (which she admitted she uses twitter comments as a form of self harm). She also deserves to be deplatformed for things like backing up someone who openly harassed another creator because "They've got me blocked so…shrug emoji
". When someone spoke out against Adam Koebbel, she told him to keep making art - despite the fact that he forced a rape survivor to essentially relive her trauma all over again. She deserves to be deplatformed for passing Jared the contact information for two of his accusers so that he could reach out and traumatize them even further.
Should I continue or are you getting the fucking hint that Saint Hoelly is a piece of shit in her own regard?
Or when she ripped off a cancer survivor. Or when she cheated on a well liked internet personality who involved her in everything he did, even putting some of his career on hold, just to help prop her up only for her to return the favor by cheating on him with another dude just to fulfill her need to feel loved through her self-insert ship fetish.
Or literally anything that she's done over the last ten years.
Lets address some of these arguments for deplatforming, shall we?
- She offers mental health advice, not treatment. Someone who deals with bad mental health is the exact kind of person qualified to give advice. She even gives handy examples of how it's okay if you suck at dealing with your mental health by being awful at dealing with her mental health.
- She didn't know the context and didn't care to look it up, that's what "They have me blocked… shrug emoji
" means. You really give a shit what someone who blocks you has to say?
- Lolcow doesn't believe in rehabilitation. I get it. But Hoelly clearly does. I don't see how that means she shouldn't have a platform.
- How do you know she gave Jared the contact information? That's an assumption. They sent it to at least 5 people Jared knew at the time. Hell you don't know that they didn't ask for it to be passed on to him.
- Is the cancer survivor still upset about this? Or are you just rallying behind something bad that might already have been cleared up in private because it's convenient? Would be awfully hypocritical of you if you didn't at least find out if that's what they wanted before you used their experience to hate on someone.
- Cheating is bad. How is that relevant to her platform?
- How did Ross put his career on hold? I don't remember him ever doing anything but what he wanted to do. How did he prop her up? She stopped cosplay while married to him, it really seems like she gave up what she was doing in favor of him.
So we're left with "she believes his lies" because none of these are reasons to deplatform someone without additional information. She's a cow, she produces some juicy milk with her breakdowns and inability to act like an adult. But I don't see how she deserves to be deplatformed for it.(>complains about heidi whiteknights shitting up the thread >post history full of holly whiteknighting)
She didn't just tell Koebel to never stop making art, she tried to downplay the action and even claim it didn't count as abuse.
And why are we all forgetting the day after Etika died she tried to use the tragedy for one of her pity parties?
nobody here is harassing them and you get banned for cowtipping to prevent harassing the subject of the thread
these stupid niggers like >>1062568
need to stop responding with literal walls of text to retards like yourself. i have a simple sentence to offer you to stop shitposting things like "heidi needing to be criticized" and "ur boolying them off the internet":
heidi isnt the subject of the projared/holly conrad thread.
i know this person is a holly stan but
>Lolcow doesn't believe in rehabilitation. I get it. But Hoelly clearly does
meanwhile holly:> uses her platform to call someone unfixable> likes tweets armchair diagnosing bpd> refuses to apologize directly to that person because they're forever an abuser
at least try reading the last few threads before trolling?
ross is linked too retard want to post him and constantly discuss him
heidis not in the title, shes not in the top of the description, people scrolling by this thread won't see "heidi" it is LITERALLY a projared/holly conrad thread as per states your tab title at the top of your web browser
what facts do you currently obtain that prove every single negative comment regarding your harpy queen is from lolcow?
and anon, most youtubers dont deserve a platform generally, hollys long list of very much recorded and proven hypocrisies and controversies with PROFESSIONAL people (not youtube/twitch!) are reason enough to scorn her for upkeeping a platform
quit shielding her from any form of criticism and trying to insert heidi to deflect lmao
If repeating the same arguments is delusion, this thread is king of delusion given everything on that list has been repeated in thousands of posts for 18 months now.
At least ragging on Heidi is different.
answer my question if youre going to samefag defend holly
what facts do you currently obtain that prove every single negative comment regarding your harpy queen is from lolcow?
First of all, the fact that you seriously believe there's only one person arguing against you is laughable. Which is it, does Holly have a flock of flying monkeys that she'll sick after anyone she doesn't like, or does she have one single fan rushing to her defense?
Second, within minutes of a person on this board saying they think Holly was texting during the game (because she occasionally looked down like everyone else was doing lol) the YouTube comments were flooded with people complaining about that exact assumption. You can't seriously sit there and say everyone watching that video who made that comment thought "looking down" = "texting" organically. If so, then I guess the entire cast was "texting", but they weren't called out for it.
can y'all just shut the fuck up? like idc if there are 1 or 1000 of you; i just wanna decompress with stupid drama and you all keep ruining it because you derail the thread with your incessant whining.
fine i get it we all love heidi, we're all white knights who want to drink her bathwater, heidi heidi heidi heidi. you're right, you all win. happy? now kindly fuck off
I'm going to bet that those Hored stans who come in here periodically to get dunked on, are only Striath fans. They know Holly as Strix, and are only vaguely aware of either Heidi, or Ross, or Holly's long existence on the internet. Holly has been around so much longer than DnD.
I've been on this godforsaken board for years following Suzy's antics, and I've been a GG fan for a long time. I could not in good conscience defend Holly when you have known Ross for so long; it was clear as day he loved her to death and treated her like a goddess. And even in Holly's videos she was cold or uninterested towards him, although at the time we didn't have a full context of the situation, and it just seemed like not indulging in PDA due to respect. Or she'd use him for things, like asking him to appear in HoC, or making him wear a Garrus suit for her, etc. Ironically didn't she say she chose Garrus as the romance option? Not to mention she boomed because she was Ross' wife, even though she hated being called that.
You can't see the sort of emotional pain that man went through post divorce and say that it was totally legitimate and okay, when you have watched Ross for a long time. You can't see Holly's own tweets self-admitting that she's abusive, and Ross on that VR stream talking about abusive partners, and not connect the dots. You can't tell me it's not shady that every big personality endorsing Holly were directly connected to her and Heidi's singular "problematic" instances are when her marriage is compromised and she is getting manipulated and gaslit.
You can't see the long problematic history Holly has left behind her and think that this isn't a pattern. Once or twice over a decade fine, are missteps. But this is consistent with her personality. She latches on to things and makes them her entire personality. She's manipulative, selfish, and will use her own mental illness to blame everyone else.
It's not about fucking witch hats. Despite what the stans will have you believe, the witch hat thing is just a tiny thing when you step back and look back at Holly's problematic past. But it's super convenient for stans to never actually respond to anything about Holly's fast and hyperfocus on anything recent; witch hats, chai receipts, "who told Jared about the minors". "Show me evidence" bitch the evidence are in the threads.
They don't want evidence so they can be convinced. If they did they would open old threads and ctrl+f like any sane person who is curious. They would browse PULL archives. They would find screenshots, all out there in the open. They want evidence to try and play a "gotcha" or because they are bored, and they don't understand that if there are, for instance, 50 lolcow users in this thread, there are thousands of silent readers, and we do not represent the entirety of the internet, for instance with comments about Holly browsing her phone. Which was right there in the video, I may add, and not a guess.
I don't assume anything, but your answer is pretty obvious. "The first thread" was actually a Suzy/GG thread and Jared was only mentioned due to proximity to GG and also because of Holly's "I'll be there for you" tweets. Everything unraveled there, and the first people who were discussing and participating were aware of Holly from before Strix
So you basically confirmed my suspicion, thanks
on this thread white knighting holly would be making you a minority. not only that, you use the same verbiage and arguments nearly every time you do this. you're right, maybe theres like, two other people but posts >>1062737
type exactly the same so in this context i can say its literally just you, one single person posting
i mean do you want me to throw your words into a word doc and ctrl f specific words you use over and over again and paste similarity results? is that the autism you need to just stop bringing up such a stupid fucking argument?
i wish we could see unique IPs visited on each thread too, it would reduce infighting sperg by tons
> "looking down" = "texting"
Uh, yeah? What else would she be doing, picking out belly button lint? If you've ever played a TTRPG you'd know that one of the biggest pissoffs in a game is when a player is distracted by their phone. It's self-centered and rude to the other players who are trying to immerse themselves in the game. There's a difference between looking down at your character sheet or down at the table and staring at your lap. Those comments calling her out were not LC-tier. They were pretty polite and some didn't even know who Holly was by name. Not everyone with a criticism is an obsessive hater, friend, and the stupidest thing she could have done was bring attention to the forums in assuming so.
How did the trash queen herself put it? Oh yeah, "Die mad lol"
If that was your entire take away from that anon's post, it's pretty obvious your just here to "but heidi!" all of holly's bullshit away. kek.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Heidi had/has cow potential, but it's been quickly fading as the situation goes on. She and Jared are divorced, she got the last of her shit. Her occasional ~healing~ post isn't new milk. Her celebrating Halloween isn't milk. Holly/Jared are only still worth watching because of them continuing the charade and their comical cast of twitter/tumblr minions tbh.
JFC I came here because I thought something new has happened but it's the same retards going at each other with the same arguments they have for over a year.
Jared/Holly are in the thread title because they are larger, milkier public figures than Heidi. You don't have to like any of the people involved. I certainly don't, but I love watching the trainwreck.
Criticism of Jared/Holly is sometimes nitpicky, but often because there is something there to criticize. "But WHAT ABOUT HEIDI?!!? She posts on twitter!!!" is not a criticism nor is it milk because it lacks specifics. Most of the people bringing up Heidi lack any screenshot evidence to back up their claims. Jared/Holly milk is always introduced with a heft side of screenshots. (Still waiting on the proof of those dozens of big blek dixxx Heidi had, btw.)
I do wish Heidi would stop sharing her therapy stuff publicly because at this point, the best thing to do is succeed, move on, and live a good life. It's kinda sad that she is sharing that stuff with the world rather than, I don't know, confiding in a friend or family member or her cat or something.
Polyarmory won't save your marriage, showing your dick to strangers is a bad career move, and your reputation will follow you no matter how many times you change your clothing style.
lmao. The internet is large and vast, and you think that all of the valid
criticism on that video only came from here, this one tiny place? Please. Thanks for giving me a good laugh though.
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"But it's just lolcow being mean about Holly on the D&D show".
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At the start of this, KF were pretty much going to bat for Jared/Holly and shitting all over Heidi. Now they're very much on the "They're all fucking insane" train.
I hate to say it but Jareds the most reasonable one in this. Occasionally he'll throw some shade at Heidi but he mostly keeps his mouth shut and I occasionally find myself feeling sympathy for him. Then I remember he's a hypocritical sex pest and it all goes away.
Defending a guy who re traumatized a rape victim
Having a meltdown on Twitter and YouTube over being criticized for being on her phone.
Suicide baiting a small YouTuber to remove videos about her.
Dragging 50 dollars of bird feed outside to feed flying rats.
Refusing to condemn bullying because the guy dared to block her on Twitter.
Wearing nail polish even though she knows her birds hate it and complaining about them bitting her.
But what has Heidi done recently that's super milk worthy?
Cause the only thing I can think of is getting into a slap fight over video games. And still talking about Jared. Like the anon above me showed even KF talks more about Holly at times because of this.
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>>1063091>I hate to say it but Jareds the most reasonable one in this.>Then I remember he's a hypocritical sex pest and it all goes away.
Honestly, I think a lot of anons are just holding out on when things inevitably fall apart between Holly and Jared. They have been pretty dry of milk as of lately, but there is a pandemic at hand. Give it time for events to become a thing again and we'll see how insecure Holly gets and when/if Jared returns to his old sex pest habits.
>>1063106>if Jared returns to his old sex pest habits
Isn't he already sexting with >>1062894
? So he is currently just a Sex Pest Pandemic Edition (tm), he'll be back to his old ways once everyone can move around normally again
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He must be really desperate for money if he's shilling this hard.
Lmao Bitch now I know you didn't read my post. Because if you did you would see that I mentioned those things and they were talked about in earlier threads. Lurk more spastic.
And yes Holly sends people here because out of the three she's the only one that mentions lolcow and her personal friend sadoldmagician talks about here too. Also public opinion isn't in their favor? But thought Jared beat cancel culture?
Here's the rest of my post you ignored.>But what has Heidi done recently that's super milk worthy? >Cause the only thing I can think of is getting into a slap fight over video games. And still talking about Jared.
I know you left out the rest on purpose to drive home "we're all Heidi stans narrative" that or you're so mentally underdeveloped that you can't read.(infighting)
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These anons are mad because it's more interesting to talk about Jared and his followers getting triggered over someone tweeting "wife" at him than Heidi liking and tweeting about her failed marriage and friendship for the 10,000th time.
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Sure you aren't which why you're here on this man's behalf
Jesus from the preview I thought he'd photoshopped big eyes on him but no.
Also that's some cringe titling there, Final Fantasy don't give a flying popsicle about an unrepentant sex pest.
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These views wouldn't be so bad but then I remember that he has 889k subs, yikes. His views have been on a steady decline since his comeback. I don't think he's gonna do DnD stuff anymore cause after the initial comeback those ones have some of the lowest views. What doesn't help is that there are other YouTubers out there he has to compete with like Scott the woz who many people subbed to after he became inactive. Oh well did it to himself by not putting his career first.
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Please excuse my mediocre cropping. Here's Holly's twitch statistics.
Imagine how many inane drama vloggers a Heidi thread could spawn.
The next Creepshow Art munching honey buns, just waiting to upload.
Would just be Gavin, SadOldSimp, Bluejay and Holly whining about another one of Heidi's likes regarding boundaries. Maybe a random projared stan or two and the occasional incel. >>1063337
I can't believe he was ever popular. Being as ugly as he is, I always thought he'd be funnier to compensate. I'll never understand the fame this guy got.
TBF A LOT of people with the same amount or more get similar views aside -the- main set of youtubers or the video is viral lately, they get slightly higher views but no where near what they used to get. A lot of views has been dropping for awhile now. So he's not the only one hit.>>1065456>I can't believe he was ever popular. Being as ugly as he is, I always thought he'd be funnier to compensate. I'll never understand the fame this guy got.
Because his content wasn't bad and he also comes from an era of "reviewers" that were distinguishing themselves from each other.
kek oh my god does anyone else remember jessica merizan coming in here with her weird apostrophes talking about how she had "insider information" and holly did no wrong
ah, the good old days when this milk was fresh as fuck>>1065441
it's going to contain the nutcases but i'm still salty about the KT drama being separated and then milk completely stopping, so idk really
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I found it interesting that both Jared and Holly retweeted this. Maybe the reason that they feel like they have to hide personal stuff is because, I dunno, they both wrecked their marriages? Not exactly a good look for anyone.
Most people hide certain aspects of their life on social media/public view to begin with. I guarantee most youtubers/thots/etc you follow hid a lot of personal information (and continue to do so) to this day especially something that may pinpoint their location if you follow a papertrail. So yes even with them it's not something strange as if you keep up with the latest happenings..there's been quite a lot of issues not ALL stemming from "this guy/girl is a creep and harassed me!"
And no, I'm not defending holly or jared so the usual butthurt crew need not even say it.
If you ask me its pretty strange and ironic the guy who wanted to be so personal with his audience he wanted to see their assholes and jerk off to them is retweeting a comic explaining to all us "normies" why internet creators can't be personal kek.
If Jared didn't want people to pry into his personal life and opinions maybe he shouldn't have tried to pry off the clothes of his teen girl fanbase.
The girl who defended me from my bitch bully in high school frequently comes into my home, goes on hikes with me (though no mistress), and hangs out with me frequently, but I'm sure you'll say that's not the same. It's not that weird to strike up friendships with people who have your back.
It would be much more suspicious as "rewarding the biggest defenders" to me if they didn't do a lot of shit together, to be honest.(blogging)
does your friend spend sizeable amounts of their free time searching for comments made about you and involve themselves in your personal conversations in order to protect you? do they have a blog dedicated to discussing the details of your personal life with strangers?
every time y'all come into defend these people you make it clear that none of you have a healthy concept of relationships or how the world works in general. jared and holly's relationship with their fans is truly fucking bizarre to any person who functions in society; if i were famous and had the same fan dedicate their personal time to defend my honor without fail i wouldn't be flattered, i'd be low-key scared because that's some obsessed stalker shit right there.
these people are weirdos who need constructive hobbies, not e-celebs facilitating their lack of healthy boundaries.
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Looks like someone is begging for sympathy again…
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so Jared is basically the puppet that Holly the ventriloquist uses at this point, huh?
Talk about a pity post. There was no reason for this other than to get asspats.
If seasonal depression is something you deal with maybe living in a location that is called "the rainy city" is a bad idea.
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Yep. Leave Seattle, Jared.
Trash witch can come with if she wants, after all, she uprooted everything & everyone around her just to be with you! uwu
At the time everyone thought "I need to be near nature" was low-key bs but Holly had enough good standing in the online community that it was brushed off as "it's not our business, respect their privacy"
I don't have the link anymore but there was even one, and just one guy, on reddit who was like "idk she seems uncomfortably close to projared could they be having and affair?" and he was downvoted to hell with everyone spearing out about how he has a WIFE and he would NEVER.
That dude was a modern day Cassandra.
There can be more than one reason to move. Dick and
trees, just all sorts of turgid cylinders.
I’ve been married for many years and moved several times, and I call BS on Holly and her supporters. It’d be different if say, you had to move somewhere completely out of your comfort zone, I could see that causing stress on a marriage. (Moving internationally, having to pick up a new language, brand new friends or support circle, etc.) But wanting to move somewhere else just because you want to, and ignoring job security, money etc, in the place that you’re currently at? That’s just being a selfish, spoiled brat, and if it really did ruin a marriage it was probably deserved.
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I love this "Ross and Heidi are abusive
" narrative they keep trying to push. So much for respecting Ross's wishes eh Jared and Sadoldmagician?
Woahhhhhhhhhh. What the fuck? This is the first time besides scarletmoth's anonymous source info that I've seen someone legitimately close to Hared say something negative about Ross. That's crazy, what ridiculous bullshit do Holly and Jared tell people about him?
I dont know why I'm that surprised, labeling someone as abusive
to make themselves look better is literally their go to.
I just thought they all knew better than to say some shit about Ross
Am I the only one shocked about this? Lol. I wish it was enough to make the rabid lovelies attack, that would be some fun
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Even heidiofans noticed how trolly that was, but sadolddipshit took the bait anyway lol
I feel like SOM crossed the line with this one. He went from having a tumblr to defend his discord from claims of them sexually harassing Heidi to constantly bragging about his friendship with Hared and literally exposing them for talking the same shit about Ross that they do Heidi. They cant publicly slander him like Heidi since he has more clout, but that doesnt stop them from being the fucking sleezes they are.
What is it that ScarletaMoth anonymously told the petition guy? "Holly was never abusive
, in fact the relationship was abusive
for her at times"
In Hared's eyes pointing a finger at their spouse and screeching "aboose" is a get out of jail free card for carrying out their affair to their friends.
Wonder how Hared would feel knowing SOM lowkey outed them on his precious AskAJaredSimpAnything tumblr blog- not to mention that this is of course yet another reply to HeidiOFans. At this point SOM is their own personal reply girl
I wouldn't be surprised it they think Giwi is aboosive by association lmao.
Agreed. HOF has been getting some weird ass stan asks lately and replies maturely pointing out the flaws.
Meanwhile you often have SOM in the replies in support of the anon. Like this example, or when he replied to the original post about Heidi Heidi copying Holly by making hats.
Pretty sad when youre Hored's close personal friend yet you're less mature than a blog dedicated to bitching about Heidi
How long till he deletes his tumblr and makes another apology to Jared/his precious discord/reddit? Or will he double down? Taking votes now
This man is getting wayyy too invested in milking Heidi
Holly is an ex.
Ex's shit talk.
It's literally not that deep.>>1069783
This, most people who MAY OR MAY NOT BE INVOLVED will immediately try to distance themselves, look at what happened with Danny, he's hurt literally no one and people went digging around to throw him under the bus for something, so Ross keeping up the "i'm an innocent lil bean and so mature" he could be hiding the most of anyone.
We'll never know.
Aries is well looked after he has an issue that was making him lose weight and Heidi was worried but he's put weight on and doing well that girl adores her cat so I call bullshit on animal abuse accusations.
I can't wait till Sad Old Simp seriously puts their foot in it and is banished from Horeds fanclub.
It's because unless it's Jared or Holly, you're not allowed to talk bad or doubt anyone. Since you know, they personally know them too.
Hell you can talk NEUTRALLY and be pegged a "stan" of holly and/or jared.
>>1069811>Holly is an ex. Ex's shit talk.
I don't know. If you have a civil, mutual break up and your ex is kind enough not to air out how much of a garbage person you are/were, you probably shouldn't be shit-talking to the point that it gets out to the general public.>>1069823
We really don't know if he does, but him removing himself from all the drama of it only to have it leak that Holly and/or Jared have been bad mouthing him to sadold and having sadold's dumbass insinuate he ~knows~ more than everyone else isn't really a good look. Not that it's ever stopped them before. kek
Some friend huh?
This man is all but digging a grave for them.
Even if they want to believe turd sandwich that Heidi was aboosive by saying Hoelly couldn't fuck her husband, Where the hell is the "Ross was abusive
" narrative coming from, especially if you believe Jared's lie that Ross supported everything??
>>1070032>Any breakup is going to have some negative feelings, even mutual ones, else why would they be splitting?
I don't know, anon. Ross can be annoying, but Holly played up being asexual during their relationship, married him anyway, then turned around and hopped on Jared's wonky wormdick while still very married to Ross. Those living in glass houses and all that.
At the very least I hope Holly and Jared learn not to trust creeps like SOM, but you know the other old saying, birds of a feather. kek.
I can't imagine that, the man's opening line was "my beautiful wife, Holly" whenever he spoke of her, he lived with her massive bird coop and even had to keep his cat separate because of all her birds, fuck he barely knew her and put on a Garrus suit to help her
he did more for Holly in their time together than Jared has ever done for her and Jared is supposedly her "one" who she dropped everyone and everything for
There's a difference between not beimg fond of someone and saying all he deserves is that vindictive spiteful fiendish lyimg jezebel Heidi, though.
SOM is implying they are on the same level.
Being a "pedo" implies you PURPOSFULLY AND SPECIFICALLY seek out underage people and attracted only to minors. There's no way to vet ages without doxing someone. His wife wasn't underage, the person he slept with wasn't underage nor is Holly underage.
Just because a few assholes who were decided to send child porn essentially (which is on THEM not jared) doesn't mean he's a pedophile. He's a creep, that much NO ONE is arguing.
No one in this topic is defending him or "forgetting", you can chill.>>1070146
I think the point that anon was making was since we know NONE of these people personally we can't entirely write people off since every day it seems we found out more and more shady stuff about people that get "written off as completely innocent" when some even did similar ("keep me out of this.") E.G This current situation with Nairo and the Smash Community.
Even if Ross WAS abusive
(which isn't likely considering Hoelly would have no problem screaming it from the rooftops if it made her look better), it legitimately does not matter. They were divorced (at least the proceedings had started) and living in separate states by the time the affair officially started. She can't claim fear of someone who (A) had no control over her money or assets and (B) lived hundreds of miles away in another state when she did the shady acts.
Asking your fans for nudes is gross and exploitative in the first place, and asking for nudes when you know full well that a lot of your fanbase is underage is shady as hell.
There is so much actual porn out there that nobody needs to ask their fans for nudes.
I understand, I just dont think it's fair to say their affair hadn't started when they had done everything but actually fuck/touch each other. Imo sexting, sexually roleplaying in messages, and commissioning written and drawn porn is cheating, even if they were "in character"
Emotional affair is the perfect way to put it >>1070465
I'm getting this from a combo of Heidi's livestream and the texts she shared between her and Holly. In the messages Holly literally puts off telling Ross when Heidi mentions it because she had to "survive" someone's birthday party with him first and says that he is okay with her hooking up with girls but wasn't sure about guys. Im not just pulling this out of my ass, this is all old information
I'm not sure I can take someone earnestly parroting the "commissioning written and drawn porn" thing. That claim came from them commenting on a single post, that someone said was proof they commissioned it… And the comments were "I like this".
The livestream is 2 hours so I can't remember everything, guess I forgot where she said they specifically talked about hooking up in costume while Hoelly was still married to Ross, I'll have to skim back through it at some point.
there was an anon saying that ross wasn't all innocent in all of the shitshow, that he had his own "skeleton in the closet", so to speak.
I have my whole theory about how they had an open marriage in which he fucked around but no string attached, and she didn't because at the time she "identified as asexual", so when she suddenly fell in love with Jared because she was wanted to fuck him, Ross was like "uhmmmm but we said no serious relationships?" and suddenly he's an abusive
piece of shit who doesn't let her leave her romantic dreams of fucking a cheating worm.
I hope i'm wrong because it would be just the same story as Jared and Heidi, basically, and that would make for a very boring narrative.
Where are you getting that they had an open marriage/poly? Ross had said at some point that he was okay with Hoelly experimenting with women, which comes off more as a dude trying to be supportive of his possibly bisexual (or demisexual with bi tendencies) wife, and not as a guy who is like "lol yeah, go fuck other people to your heart's content!". Even THAT is debatable since it came from Holly's mouth, who had every reason in the world to lie about her then-husband being chill with her fucking other people.
Why are we bringing Ross back into this anyway? He's asked repeatedly to be left out of it, hasn't mentioned it at all himself. SadOld desperately trying to drag everyone else down into the mud doesn't make Ross milk worthy.
>>1070957>He's asked repeatedly to be left out of it, hasn't mentioned it at all himself.
That's why it was brought up as an off comment, since while it's not 100% likely, but why so adamant to be left out of something that technically also involves you? Maybe he IS hiding something, none of us know him personally to say if he is or isn't.
It's pretty easy to see why that comment would be made, anon. You'd easily believe holly has something to hide if she suddenly says to leave her alone, or jared, or even Danny/Arin, but Ross is off limits?
That's usually how the biggest perpetrators get off and away with things for as long as they do. Again, not saying he IS shady, just pretty easy for someone to bring to question why he hastily wanted to be kept out of it given who all is involved.
>>1040699>why so adamant to be left out of something that technically also involves you?
Because you're DONE? Because your ex is as batshit fucking crazy as Holly is? Because it's much, much better to move the fuck on than to devote any more time to an energy vampire of her caliber?
Keep digging if you want, by all means, but Ross just is not that milky.
>>1070991>Why so adamant to be left out of something that technically also involves you?
Because your batshit crazy ex is hellbent on making herself some kind of innocent victim
to the detriment of literally everyone around her? Holly CLEARLY has no problem turning everyone that says 'no' to her into some kind of mental torturing abuser. Maybe Ross thought that being done with everything would spare him her wrath.
chill, i was just answering to another anon asking what ross had to do with it and wanted to share my "headcanon" so to speak. I know it's lame to treat these people as characters but i mean, no one knows them. How do YOU know they weren't poly, and he wasn't fucking around? have you read how thirsty girls have been for him on this forum alone? if your wife lets you fuck around on the account of her being in denial about just not giving a shit about your marriage and going about it being aSeXuAl, wouldnt you bang thirsty fangirls, no strings attached?
i mean i wouldnt, but i'm also incredibly vanilla; but if your headcanon for ross is that he's a sweet monogamous soft boi, mine is that people, especially men, with the slightest littlest bit of power immediately resolve to try and get off somehow lol.
i mean, yeah, even IF (and it's a 100pt arial bold IF) everything went as holly said, that heidi wanted jared back for the money and opposed their relationship and was abusive
to both holly and jared, dude still got cucked over for a guy who looks like a worm with a tupee.
I mean, imagine if he even agreed to this at first for Holly's sake, I can't imagine that decision was taken gadly: it reeks of desperation and trying to put some patches on their marriage.
Like… your wife leaves you, sells the house you both lived together to go and chase her One True Love, the One Man That Made Her Feel Love and Lust for The Very First Time in Her Life…. damn, dude that hurts. how can you be happy for her?
you spend the first chunk of your divorced time as a depressed alchoolic on your friends' couch and then you NEED to start hating the other party; forgiveness comes much, much later.
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Does he really think he’s the epitome of male fashion or something like that? We all know Heidi dressed him, now this looks like Holly’s had to take over for that.
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If we're calling out people looking like they fell into the bargain bin