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No. 463553

You know the drill. Keep the spergouts to a minimum, please.

No. 463558

Gender critical and radical feminism define gender as sociological (feminine/masculine) and sex as biological (female/male). Woman is defined as an adult human female. Radical feminists seek to abolish gender as it is used by patriarchy to oppress women socially, reproductively, and financially. They strive to preserve women's spaces (such as restrooms, locker rooms, and health care providers) and areas of artistic and intellectual expression separate from men.

Trans ideology posits that one's gender is self-determined based on one's feelings and defines woman as the characteristics and behaviors traditionally ascribed to females by society. Increasingly, transactivists are conflating gender and sex and asserting that a person can self-identify both gender and sex.

Gender critical feminists strive to maintain the distinction between gender and sex. The conflation of gender and sex erases the biological reality of women, eliminates women-only spaces, and disestablishes women as a protected class. Existing laws and legislation currently being passed around the world allowing for self-identification on legal documents do not differentiate between gender and sex.

The acronym TERF (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminism) is used primarily by transactivists and their allies to denigrate radical feminists and other women who express gender critical ideas. Transactivists portray TERFs as violent oppressors by virtue of their ideas alone.

Posts of related news and web articles are welcome. Posts of photos, videos, and blogs of transactivists for the purposes of discussion and critique are welcome. Please refrain from derailing, infighting, and ad hominem attacks. This thread is not intended for the general discussion of feminism, sexuality, misogyny, or misandry.

Radical Feminism thread >>>/ot/373459

Resources
https://bannedbytrans.wordpress.com
https://www.fairplayforwomen.com | https://twitter.com/fairplaywomen
https://www.femaleerasure.com
http://www.feministcurrent.com | https://twitter.com/feministcurrent
https://feministstruggle.org
http://www.gendercriticalactioncenter.org | https://twitter.com/gendercritical_
http://www.gendercriticalactioncenter.com
https://www.genderidentitywatch.com
https://www.gendertrending.com
http://www.gettheloutuk.com | https://getthelout.wordpress.com/blog
https://www.lesbian-rights-nz.org/shame-receipts
https://www.mayday4women.com
http://www.peaktrans.org
https://radfem.writeas.com
https://resistersunited.org | https://twitter.com/resistersu
https://www.sexandgenderintro.com
https://www.standingforwomen.com
http://www.terfisaslur.com
https://theterfexhibit.com (404) | https://www.facebook.com/TheTerfExhibit/
https://www.transgenderreality.com
https://wlrnmedia.wordpress.com
https://womenarehuman.com
https://womanmeanssomething.com
https://www.womansplaceuk.org | https://twitter.com/womans_place_uk
https://www.womensdeclaration.com
http://womensliberationfront.org
https://www.xxamazons.org
http://www.4thwavefeminists.com (404)

Blogs, Writers
https://culturallyboundgender.wordpress.com
http://gendercritical.blogspot.com
https://gendertrender.wordpress.com (suspended) | https://www.gendertrending.com
https://janeclarejones.com
https://lilymaynard.wordpress.com (suspended) | http://www.lilymaynard.com
https://thewitchofwentworth.tumblr.com
https://trannosphere.tumblr.com

Inauthentic Selves: The modern LGBTQ+ Movement Is Run By Philanthropic Astroturf And Based On Junk Science
https://medium.com/@sue.donym1984/inauthentic-selves-the-modern-lgbtq-movement-is-run-by-philanthropic-astroturf-and-based-on-junk-d08eb6aa1a4b

Forums
http://www.genderhammer.com

reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/FinnishGenderCritical
https://www.reddit.com/r/Gender_Critical
https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical
https://www.reddit.com/r/GCdebatesQT
https://www.reddit.com/r/gc_woc
https://www.reddit.com/r/LGBDropTheT

Detransitioning
https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans
https://www.peaktrans.org/detransitioning
http://sexchangeregret.com
https://www.transgendertrend.com/detransition
Pique Resilience Project
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmGEMjyAwk6R1lTmG_JjLUA
https://www.piqueresproject.com

Documenting violent crimes committed by transgender individuals
This Never Happens
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1722756661380462
https://www.reddit.com/r/thisneverhappens
https://www.peaktrans.org/crime
http://www.transcrimeuk.com

Parents and clinicians concerned about transgender youth
https://www.4thwavenow.com | https://twitter.com/4th_WaveNow
http://www.gdworkinggroup.org
https://www.gendercriticalresources.com/Support/index.php
https://www.kelseycoalition.org
https://www.parentsofrogdkids.com
http://thejungsoul.com/guidance-for-parents-of-teens-with-rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria
https://www.transgenderreality.com/about
https://www.transgendertrend.com | https://twitter.com/transgendertrd

YouTube Channels
Venice Allan
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdOAL2_mpBKEW4YO4YAPNIA/featured | http://wwwdrradfem.org
Elly Arrow
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWlLdZ24IfDIPxth02Nt8Xg
BabyradfemTV
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHH8wS-Kd1wUvlvrrCmMMPQ
Magdalen Berns
https://www.youtube.com/c/MagdalenBerns
Cathy Brennan / Ally Missandry
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcOhi9MQDYOhodqxi81BZkA
Dr. RadFem
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdOAL2_mpBKEW4YO4YAPNIA
KORADFEM Radical feminism in Korea
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKfFGy1tlhww6jaKtOkCe2w
https://twitter.com/boroja8902
Tanith Lloyd
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsHSFSO9tAbpKb8YE2lz7FQ
Julia Long
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXTBdgGyMFXMnM3g-tUPnIA
Meghan Murphy
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq-04S1vzWPy3G8omi0wVvA
https://meghanmurphylawsuit.com
Peachyoghurt
https://www.youtube.com/user/Perzikyoghurt
Posie Parker
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCB7daUkou5C7zJvbBvgU8eA
https://www.theposieparker.com
A Woman's Place
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzFqsUqDzyXEQMJVy42NwUw

Agitprop, Art, Comics, Memes
Feminist Heretic
https://www.facebook.com/feministheretic
https://feministheretic.wordpress.com
Feminist Struggle
https://feministstruggle.org/2019/05/18/dont-disappear-the-l-campaign
Nina Paley / Mimi and Eunice
http://mimiandeunice.com/category/jenndra-identitty
Red Katherinee
http://vk.com/momokotyan
https://www.instagram.com/red.katherinee
https://twitter.com/rredpeach
ReSisters
https://twitter.com/ResistersUK
Sandy Draws Badly
https://twitter.com/sandydrawsbadly
The Snowflake Books
http://www.lilymaynard.com/the-snowflake-books
The Untameable Shrews
https://www.theuntameableshrews.com
https://www.instagram.com/untameableshrews
VioletDioxazine
https://violetdioxazine.tumblr.com
Woman Adult Human Female
https://www.standingforwomen.com

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No. 463585

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Tired of seeing this logic that TIMs use that they weren't or aren't misogynists and actually just have "internalized misogyny" in order to absolve themselves from their shitty behaviour. Can't believe there are people who honestly think this is sound logic.

No. 463586

Why did the gr thread get locked?

No. 463603

>>463585
they don't know what female socialization is. a lot of males, troons or not, seriously don't see the differences on how the sexes are raised.

No. 463606

>>463585
He was never viewed as female, deliberately raised and conditioned as female, held to the same standards as females, or even part of a majority female friend group. There is absolutely no female socialization for creeps like this. This fucker just masturbated from afar.

No. 463607

>>463585
So his argument is there is only one singular gender-neutral "socialization in our culture" yet just listed a bunch of things he did due to male socialization. TRAs make less and less sense all the time in their attempts to silence any usage of language that points out the obvious which is that if MTFs weren't male then they wouldn't be trans.

No. 463611

>>463585
How did he go through socialization as a girl? Does he even know what that means, or is he trying to change definitions to suit him? No one ever alienated him as they would a girl or treated him as one, and he literally admits that, but tries to twist it into "I was being misogynistic but I truly just hated myself so that means I was a victim of misogyny uwu".
It's almost as if the only way he can recognize the egregiousness of something is if he makes it into some narcissistic "me me me" shit. You are not the victim, dude. You didn't internalize shit because it was never aimed at you.

No. 463681

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNHbm7GBHwg
watching this, i always am amazed that men claim women are so catty and dramatic as if men aren't just as petty. these nerds are all aggressively posturing and yelling at each other over video games. give me a break.

No. 463701

>>463585
I know a troon like this. I started saying I was socialized AFAB around him instead. Some of the libfems on my Twitter list started saying it too thinking I was trying to be inclusive and trans-friendly. I can tell it absolutely makes the troon want to explode but he pushes the AFAB=/=female shit so hard that he can't without destroying his own argument.

No. 463704

I need some advice related to what someone said in the last thread about taking their bf’s virginity. I’ve been w the same dude for nine years and was the first person he slept with. He always assures me he doesn’t feel like he’s missing out on anything by not having slept w others, but I feel like my brain has been so conditioned by stupid societal expectations for men to sleep around that I feel bad that I’m the only one he’s been with. How the fuck do I get over this?

No. 463710

>>463473
Doesn’t pass and puts on a really annoying fake caricature voice and wont leave his hideous fake ass hair the fuck alone. Tries really hard with over the top mannerisms that no real woman uses. Despite what other people say I think he’s AGP

Is also retarded douchebro

(Reposted bc autocorrect is an ass)

No. 463725

>>463704
>The only one he's been with

Women are not a dish in a restaurant to try. You are two people in a relationship. You don't owe the other person anything other than what you want to give them.

If he has an issue with his sexual history he can do something about that himself. It's not your issue to worry about.
It sounds like he is really happy with you and genuinely doesn't want anyone else. That's amazing in 2019 imo. You're lucky.

No. 463736

Hey so is there gonna be a new MH thread or is that here now? All this merging and nuking got the situation muddy as hell

No. 463739

>>463736
it seems like it is a man hate thread as well, but gender crit is already dominating the conversation

No. 463741

>>463739
Tims are men, so it's like the same thing anyway.

No. 463763

The women that cape for gay men are the actual fucking worst.

No. 463822

>>463739
>>463741
It's super depressing to see that merging 3 threads, 2 of which are huge, conversation slowed down to this. I guess they wanted to silence women's discontent and it worked. Hopefully anons are just taking a break after all the sperging.

No. 463825

>>463763
I honestly have a special kind of hate for gay male misogyny. The ugliness of men jumps out in so many ways. They have their own unique ways of objectifying women, stealing from women, and being openly hateful and disrespectful about women for laughs or to project some kind of "bitchy" attitude, with a side of I can't be bothered to treat anyone who isn't a man I want to fuck like a decent human being. I'm a lesbian myself so there's no homophobia intended. You can barely meet women in most lgbtq spaces because they're all dominated by men who act like you have no business being in THEIR bar or whatever.

No. 463827

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Has anyone noticed how in discussions regarding gender equality, men always have this sort of tunnel vision where they just ignore every other possible issue and go right to sperging about who asks and pays for dates (or some other similar bullshit like whining about Tinder)? Women are thinking about things like freedom, independence, financial security, safety, health, jobs, sexual violence and harassment, meanwhile for these people the most important topic to discuss is which gender is asking the other out. Relationships are important and loneliness sucks but have some self-awareness (probably not possible for them). Just reeks of privilege and like they have zero other issues in life that they think this is the #1 issue.

No. 463829

>>463827
They're mad they have to pay for like 3-5 dates before being able to woo us into having sex.

just a random number, dont nitpick that shit.

No. 463839

I feel guilty for finding drag offensive. It just looks like sexist stereotypes and the slang about vaginas just sounds fucking hateful. Even radfems go to bat for drag and I don't understand it. I don't see the satire in drag at all. Am I missing something?

No. 463858

>>463839
I don't think I've seen too many radfems defend drag personally

No. 463861

>>463827
Equality begins to feel like oppression when what you’re used to is privilege

This sums up men whining about gender equality to a tee, I can’t think of a single male specific issue they have that wasn’t created by themselves, like your example that men are expected to pay for dates; nevermind the fact that that stems from men having forbidden women from earning enough to have disposable income, no no this is DEFINITELY the fault of women and our greed!

No. 463870

>>463825
And, of course, they're willing to play the "I'm an oppressed group too" card if you call them out on it.

No. 463871

>>463839
There are def radfem critiques for it if you do some digging. I guess I abstractly respect it as part of gay history and important to a lot of gay men but it was really good for me to accept that I will only ever feel uncomfortable around drag as a woman. And that's at its best, because at its worst it's just paying for the privilege of watching a man shit all over you for laughs.

It's frustrating because I'd love a similar kind of performance-based, satirical space for women.

No. 463872

>>463839
I used to love drag, as I'm sure a lot of people here did. But over time, I guess I became more aware of what fucked up caricatures of women it is. Worse than that is the way they talk. Terms like "fishy" for the drag queens who look more feminine, and calling each other bitch.

No. 463875

>>463839
All my life I didn't get how the fuck it's considered PC, it's making fun of how gay men are effeminate, how women dress and the idea of a man trying to be a woman, it should offend literally everyone.

No. 463882

>>463871
Drag kings exist, anon.

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No. 463909

>>463596
I'm so sick of them getting classified as women whenever they commit sex crimes. Thanks for driving our statistics up, assholes.

No. 463912

>>463896
troon privilege strikes again.

when you read the article it basically says the judge found an inconsistency in the evidence so chose to let the pedo rapist off all together.

what was that inconsistency?

the victim said the three men raped her in a particular order. the victim's mother (who was pimping her out) then said "no sweetie, they raped you in THIS order."

she didn't deny that the gangrape occurred, just the fucking order it happened in. that was enough to get the troon off scott-free. there is no hope for women.

No. 463914

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Men make all the demands yet offer little to nothing (sorry no transcript available)

No. 463920

>>463909
ugh I never thought of it that way

No. 463921

>>463914
>Age 44
>Looking for women aged between 21 and 55

Oh how magnanimous of him to accept women ten years older when he'll go to 23 years younger.

No. 463922

>>463921
Lol its not even 44 its 49 so its 6 years not 10. A lot of guys on okcupid are like this, got a 65yr old message me who wouldnt go past women 36+.

No. 463923

>>463882
Yes and if you watch any documentry on them you'll know that they're routinely pushed out of spaces and not allowed to compete because "drag kings aren't a real thing" to many drag queens. It's basically a case of they can dish it but can't take it.

>>463912
Men will always protect each other. Learning this has saved me so much hassle. NEVER trust a man to take your side over another man.

>>463914
lmao at him taking the long way round to say "no black women". Absolutely pathetic.

No. 463925

>>463923
He also excludes middle eastern women which is his own background, judging by his name. So pathetic, at least we can all take comfort in the fact a loser like that will literally never, ever get what he wants. Or any women really.

No. 463927

>>463923

i'm not even black but when i see a man basically say "no black women" like that i write him off as a small-minded moron. nothing is less attractive than a man who can't think beyond what playboy and axe commercials told him he should find attractive.

No. 463929

Me too. When a guy says that, it reminds me all too much of my dad berating me for having darker skin than my mum.

No. 463930

It's kinda surreal to see the Coomer meme spread. All of sudden men are making fun of other men who can't stop thinking about porn.

No. 463931

>>463930
i was just saying this to my partner yesterday, cumbrian and coomer caught on wayyy too quickly on 4chan which annoys me primarily b/c you KNOW men are using it just to feel superior over one another when they are BOTH still twisting their pathetic noodles to porn on the regular. i hate seeing a man use "cumbrian" because its like … bro youre the cumbrain too

No. 463935

>>463839
What I don't get is why troons haven't turned their witch hunts against drag yet. It has to be that their egos are too big to see any comparison between them, or that admitting to feeling attacked by it would be admitting they recognize that they too are just hideous men parading around in women's clothing.
>>463912
Libfems would laugh in your face if you suggested this was possible. There doesn't appear to be any kind of uproar over this outcome either. Its like people have just gave up on hoping the courts to do their jobs.
>>463927
>can't think beyond what playboy and axe commercials told him he should find attractive
You've got to be a special kind of stupid to believe this. If that was how attraction worked then all women would be lesbian, or bi, by now.

No. 463937

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The craft reboot announced its leads, which include a tranny. Not that I give a shit about a reboot, but I loved this movie and it is a cult movie for girls. But now we have a man in it to be ~~inclusive~~.

Anyway I clocked him within a second, despite how well he's meant to pass. Can you, anons?

https://deadline.com/2019/09/gideon-adlon-lovie-simone-zoey-luna-cailee-spaeny-the-craft-blumhouse-sony-1202737052/

No. 463938

>>463935

anon don't be dense. of course attraction is influenced by media and culture. Why do you think we've gone from no butts being considered "sexy" to Kim Kardashian in a decade.

No. 463939

>>463935
>You've got to be a special kind of stupid to believe this. If that was how attraction worked then all women would be lesbian, or bi, by now.

Women are nowhere near as retarded as men, it's much harder to meme women into some dumb fetish than it is to do it to a man.

No. 463940

>>463935
>If that was how attraction worked then all women would be lesbian, or bi, by now.
But that's sexual orientation… something completely separate and incomparable to superficial, socially influenced beauty standards that are absolutely a real and significant influence on taste. Men are so easily memed into particular fetishes and preferences it's crazy, especially on the internet thanks to porn and communities filled with shills and political agendas.

No. 463941

>>463940
Plus compulsory heterosexuality IS a thing that many lesbians have spoken about struggling with the pressure of. Why would women all be lesbian thanks to commercials? Those commercials aren't targeted at us. Media and culture tells women we should be attracted to men, and you can visibly see the effect of that pressure on many women.

No. 463942

>>463941
True. It's also true that constant exposure to hypersexualized women does have a massive effect on us, and even what we're attracted to, but it's more in the sense of self objectification. So many women clearly feel arousal from being desired, rather than desiring someone else.

No. 463944

>>463942

Based Margaret Atwood said it so well:

>“Male fantasies, male fantasies, is everything run by male fantasies? Up on a pedestal or down on your knees, it's all a male fantasy: that you're strong enough to take what they dish out, or else too weak to do anything about it. Even pretending you aren't catering to male fantasies is a male fantasy: pretending you're unseen, pretending you have a life of your own, that you can wash your feet and comb your hair unconscious of the ever-present watcher peering through the keyhole, peering through the keyhole in your own head, if nowhere else. You are a woman with a man inside watching a woman. You are your own voyeur.”

No. 463945

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good news/conspiracy (?)
incels.co might be a honeypot by the american government. pic related is the admin of .co and he has recently been doxxed. not going to share his personal info or whatever here because it's against the rules but basically he's an IT graduate working in the us navy. incels.co does not allow you to register if you're using a proxy or vpn, they take your actual location when you sign up. they are also good at avoiding illegal problems. there is some info showing that they are on watchlists. because of these stuff incels have started to believe that the site might be a honeypot to keep future elliot rodgers in check. what do you think?

No. 463946

>>463940
>>463938
>Men aren't attracted to me because the TV hasn't told them I'm attractive
Its an entitled incel level cope.
>Women aren't attracted to me because the TV hasn't told them I'm attractive
Nobody has a responsibility to be attracted to you, me, or anybody else.

No. 463947

>>463946
if you think men aren't retarded enough to base their opinions of women on porn and television then you clearly haven't spent much time around them.

No. 463949

>>463938
>anon don't be dense. of course attraction is influenced by media and culture. Why do you think we've gone from no butts being considered "sexy" to Kim Kardashian in a decade.
Men have never considered flat butts sexy. In the past the traditional media had the monopoly of what bodytype would get the spotlight and they picked super thin model-like women, but now with social media everything is more decentralized and men can thirst over what they really like. A hourglass figure.

No. 463951

>>463930
>>463930
The thing is that they use the cumbrain meme as an insult and to feel superior because they find it shameful to have an addiction as a male, they don't dig deeper about the issues of pornography and how the industry destroy women emotionally and physically.

No. 463952

>>463945
> incels.co does not allow you to register if you're using a proxy or vpn

That is impossible to achieve, at best you can have a blacklist of known VPNs.

No. 463955

>>463952
go to the registration page of incels.co on proxy or vpn, there is a 5 second count at the down of the page that detects proxies and vpns. you cant click to submit your account without showing them your real ip, which is a good reason to stay the fuck away from their website.

No. 463958

>>463945
dumb since 2 million people work for the US military and most of them are young men which is the same demographic as message board admins, wouldnt surprise me if the FBI just legally squeezed him and got access to the server though which I think happened on 4chan in the 00s after all the cp on /b/

No. 463966

>>463964
Only ancom pest, authoritarian leaning leftist don't tolerate pornography but you don't see them sperging too much about it… I think, I'm fucked up in the head by the horseshoe theory

No. 463969

>>463946
anon that is literally not what is being said there. You have to be doing this on purpose. Tbh calling a woman ugly because she points out the media influences what's considered attractive is scrote level behavior. Stop it.

No. 463971

>>463930
Ironically the Cooomer guy has accepted his fate and worships the pornstars. Scrotes cope by thinking that as long as they have contempt for the industry and the women in it they have some kind of illusory power over it and it doesn't affect them while continuing to jerk off and consume.

The Coomer spread rapidly because instinctively men know that's their fate without the mental defenses.

No. 463975

>>463946
kek yes anyone who points out magazines and shit change whats mainstream sexy in society is ugly great analysis friend

No. 463979

>>463945
isn't one of the incels.co mods a self admitted rapist and drug dealer? why would they make him a part of staff if the website is just an fbi honeypot? maybe this black admin is really an actual lonely military it guy and that's why he created the website.

No. 463983

>>463946
Not a part of this discussion, but it's so funny to me seeing the intelligent discussion going on here:
>>463941
>>463942
>>463944
And then read this low-effort "Hurr u same as incels" bait post.

No. 463985

>>463979
if you're talking about knajjd, he isn't a drug dealer but a drug addict. he has said that he penetrated a girl who was passed out drunk but i suspect that it's a lie because he was proven to lie about other shit that he hasn't done to look edgy and there are contradictions in the way he tells stories about his past.
he also allegedly has a shit ton of money so people also suspect they made him a mod because he can financially support the site.

No. 463992

>>463927
You are close to racebaiting, but anyway, race preferences are way deeper than axe commercials.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 463993

>>463937
It's the blonde, isn't it?

No. 463994

>>463992
>you are close to racebaiting
>racebaits

No. 463995

>>463994
>Claiming attractiong to something this deep is not really media affected is race baiting
What?

No. 463996

>>463992
The person racebaiting here is you, and you're not even good at it. Stop caping for racist men and go.

No. 463998

>>463994
seriously. imagine going out of your way to take up not just for scrotes, but racist ones.
>inb4 it's the same loser who tried to defend wanting to fuck the NZ church shooter in /g/

No. 464000

>>463996
>>463998
>Say nothing about men, only about the media not really being a factor to some of the most basic sexual selection in people
>Get accused of defending racist men
I guess reading comprehension is hard.(I guess staying on topic is hard)

No. 464001

>>463985
…i dont know, anon. he literally has multiple posts where he's openly pro necrophilia and pedophilia. even if he was doing it to be edgy he's been around for years, what troll has that dedication? wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if he is donating to incels.co though

No. 464002

>>463996
nta, but you can't with a straight face tell me that its racist to not be attracted to another race. Attraction isn't a choice.

No. 464004

>>464000
see the multiple replies to the other person upthread who made your exact same argument, and stop trying. racebait season ended like two weeks ago, everyone is tired of it

No. 464007

>>464002
NTA, but attraction, while not a choice, can and is affected to a degree by culture. The important part here, to a adegree and culture. Media is NOT the only culture and that is what I was disagreeing with.

>>464004
I made no point about races, only about how attraction of basic things, including races, is related to media, learn to read.

No. 464011

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>someone correctly points out that scrotes are idiotic and easily influenced when it comes to attraction
>"some others" mysteriously crawl in out of nowhere to disagree with this, ostensibly attempting to shift the thread to inevitable infighing and racebait while denying doing just that
don't fall for it, anons. low-level Y chromosoid tactics abound.
anyway, reddit never fails to offer male bullshittery.

No. 464012

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>>463935
>What I don't get is why troons haven't turned their witch hunts against drag yet
I know its not the same but I think it was last years? or the year before "celeb" big brother uk "year of the woman" and they had a transwoman (india) and a rupauls drag race contestant courtney act. Well the transwoman india, not only started shit with the women in the house claiming they were all being prejudice towards him (they wern't, they were bending over backwards to make him feel included) but he really went in for courtney claiming he had a "phobia" of drag because it damages and insults transpeople.

But viewers of the show pointed out that the real problem he had with courtney was that he passed better as a woman then he did-as andrew, another contestant who is straight, or at least claims to be, said he would date courtney in a heartbeat. India got real mad when courtney did andrew up in drag, and it was real sad to see despite india being an ass to courtney he still defended india and went to great lengths to explain the whole trans thing to other housemates. Unsurprising the public got sick of india and voted courtney winner of big brother.

India really tried to start a witch hunt against courtney act but guess what, the public didnt fall for it. The whole thing kickstarted a huge conversation here saying transpeople who act this way about drag are pathetic which was amusing.

No. 464014

>>464013
i didn't say anything, 0/10.

No. 464018

>>463923
It is kinda fucking stupid to demand AA influenced terms and beauty standards like big booties but reject black women. I dont understand why American guys dislike black girls so much in spite of every other race

No. 464020

>>464018
Colorism is everywhere in the world.

No. 464021

>>464018
As a Europoor, American whites are some of the least racist people I have ever met.

No. 464022

>>464021
Which part of Europe?
>>464020

Thats deeper than colorism because Black americans and other black new worlders have some of the highest phenotypical diversity and skintone ranges out of most black people in the world

No. 464024

>>464022
Albania here, although I have traveled all over Europe for studies and work. Western Euros act more tolerant, but they are pretty much the same as Easterners and Southerners. Americans on the other hand are a lot more tolerant.

No. 464026

>>464024
Why do you think theyre more tolerate, but then also how does that relate back to dating or sexual preferences? Where were the Americans from?

No. 464027

>>464026
They weren't from a particular part, I met them as exhange students when I was studying in the UK, they weren't stereotypical southern rebel types or anything, just regular people.

I was talking about dating preferences, but I also noticed that their general attitudes on these subjects were more tolerant. I think they are more tolerant in regards to dating because for most Euros, dating and having a family with someone of a different race, especially Blacks, is something you will be harshly judged for. In the South and East people will outright call you out for it and not have relations with you, obviously this happens a ton more with women than men. Western Euros will act like everything is fine, but they will simply stop engaging with you, it's still social suicide on most circles, outside of progressive circles. Americans are not like that, for them it's not something that makes someone an outsider as much as Euros are.

No. 464034

>>464026
NTA, but I notice a lot of NA people assume Europe is a lot more tolerant without considering our speech laws. People get arrested over here just for posting wrong thought online. These laws haven't changed opinions they've just stopped people from publicly saying how they feel about subjects that could get them in trouble.
>>464027
>Western Euros will act like everything is fine, but they will simply stop engaging with you
Its these kind of unspoken dynamics that fly under the radar. Have no doubts that the EU would also legislate against this small freedom of association if they could.

No. 464037

>>464034
I didnt mention anything about Europe in my original post and also I dont believe Europeans are any more tolerant or accepting than Americans. I also dont believe and have seen with my own two eyes that being more respectful to other races doesnt mean you wanna fuck them or find them attractive more at least for men

>>464027
South Europeans are certainly more explicitly racist than white American people, still seen more BWWM coupling over there than I did and do in the USA though

No. 464040

>>464037
>I also dont believe and have seen with my own two eyes that being more respectful to other races doesnt mean you wanna fuck them or find them attractive more at least for men
The reverse is true, men have no issues dating women they actually despise and have no respect for. They're also willing to fetishise the women of a group they generally look down on, like men who mock East-Asian men but want a 10/10 idol gf.

No. 464050

>>464040
Thats what i meant but i probably worded it wrong

No. 464055

>>464034
>they've just stopped people from publicly saying how they feel about subjects that could get them in trouble.

Yeah, pretty much, remember that mother who was arrested in front of her children for saying trannies are no women? This is waht the UK, Germany and several other countries are like.

>Have no doubts that the EU would also legislate against this small freedom of association if they could.


Oh, I don't, they are legit diong social coniditioning and social egineering, what the people want is irrelavant to them.

>>464037
>still seen more BWWM coupling over there than I did and do in the USA though

Ehhhh, men will fuck anything, even if they consider it lesser. Euros, generally, dont hate blacks like the Americans who do, but they view them as others and what very little to do with them in general. Doesn't mean horny men won't fuck them.

No. 464081

>>464002
you cannot decide who you are attracted to but if you say "im not attracted to black guys" its you who have removed them from your dating pool, not your actual attraction to an individual, which deserves to be evaluated on a case by case basis. race has nothing to do with it because i can show you black guys who dont "look" black, asian guys who dont "look" asian, etc.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 464101

>>464055
I dont mean they like them more, I already agree that they have higher racial pride even though American racial dynamics is more complex and still more intense imo in my opinion. However its not weird that Americans who share the same culture and background reject another just for being black meanwhile I see racist South europeans with black girlfrinds? Doesnt that just mean the more tolerante americans still have mroe problems with this lol

No. 464102

>>464081
I have a white american friend who says that but is attracted to prince and dated a half hispanic half black guy, lol. Tbf i never see white american guys even like the other black girls though when they say this shit and if they do its so weak compared to their female counterparts

No. 464103

>>464102
men are usually worse when they voice these preferences, and they'll still objectify the woman while they do it. at least for women i understand how men from ~outside~ races can seem like a danger b/c all men pose a potential danger to women.
at the same time my three closest friends are mixed race of either white and black or Hispanic and black, and all 3 of them have only ever dated the most mediocre of white men back to back to back and openly say theyre not attracted to X race men

No. 464113


No. 464135

Saw a story on a forum about a cartel chick cutting off the heads of her victims and having sex with them, and bathing in their blood. Of course cumbrains are lusting over her and swooning after how hot she is and they wish she raped them, lmao. Remember Casey Anthony?

Men bitch when women lust over serial killers like Ted bundy or Richard ramirez but it seems truly the only unhinged do this, meanwhile any ole men are the ones giving criminally insane passes for making their pee pee hard.

No. 464152

>>464135
Reminds me of all that yandere stabbing girl shit.
Hit me up with the forum link so I can have a good cringe.

No. 464176

>>463914
Meh this isn't as bad as men who expect porn star bodied timid girls who do nothing but read and cook but also haven't had any sexual or romantic interaction with men other than them while expecting the women to make magic money appear, but standards for men have become so insanely low

No. 464177

>>464152
I don't know about the forum, but I think these are the women being referenced: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9954708/el-chapo-kim-k-female-assassins-mexico-drugs/ if anyone's interested

No. 464185

>>464177
The redhead does look adorable.

No. 464193

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Why?

No. 464194

>>464177
If they were normal women who worked for a charity or something men would be screaming about how they're ugly brown girls who hit the wall, but because they're murderers men will fawn over them


It's sad how men will nitpick lingerie models and porn star, who's entire job revolves around men and women finding them attractive, but drool over normal looking women who are either criminals, dead, or underage

No. 464197

>>463912
That's how most "lying about rape" cases are, like the case mentioned in the other thread where they claimed "she admitted she lied on recording", turns out the only thing she said was that she didn't like her rapist and wanted him expelled from school

Always look more into "woman lies about rape" cases, they'll grasp on to any detail possible to scream liar, makes you really think about the number of false rape accusations, not to mention no one cares if women get falsely accused of lying and falsely punished, but everyone is ready to coddle men who have been accused of rape despite one being more mentally damaging

No. 464206

>>464193
isnt this CP ? how is it allowed ?

No. 464210

Remind me to never open reddit again. They had a thread on the front page of r/science about martial satisfaction and sexual activity and a study showed how women's interest and satisfaction dropped, all responses were like
>Is it actually this bad to get married?
>I'll admit I get self-confidence issues when my sex drive is way higher than the woman I'm with. I really liked the idea of waking up to someone you love in the morning, but is it possible the negatives outweigh the positives? This stuff terrifies me.
>I can tell you that sexual compatibility is a huge point of contention in all of my relationships. I realize now after years of marriage (I am now divorced) that sex is important to keep a relationship alive. I had a low libido partner and we eventually turned into roommates with kids.
>Now this was just my situation there are people out there that are willing to work with you to come to a compromise. If they are not it’s time to move on because it is unlikely they are going to change.

Women should run from these trash heaps asap

No. 464219

>>464135
women like "crazy men" because they feel like they can help them, or soothe whatever pain they're feeling that makes them dangerous.

men like "crazy girls" only in reference to sex. they think they'll do wild sex acts that a normal girl wouldn't do. that's it.

No. 464252

>>464081
Stop trying to police who others are allowed to feel unattracted to. Its none of your business who rejects who, or for what reasons.

No. 464271

>>464252
im sorry youre scared to challenge and engage with your own racial biases, nothing more nothing less(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 464273

>>464271
Holy shit I thought this was the pink pill/ radfem thread, not uwu tumblr if u don’t like black cock ur a racially biased bigot!!!

Let women decide who they want to be attracted to, tumblr scrote

No. 464280

>>464210
What's so bad about those? Sex is a big deal in relationships, those responses seem civil enough.

No. 464286

>>464252
Im not sexually attracted to the majority of white men even attractive ones despite being 40 european by rapebaby blood I didnt ask for

No. 464291

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>im sorry youre scared to challenge and engage with your own racial biases, nothing more nothing less

No. 464300

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No. 464301

>>464177
s*xhavers are mentally ill

No. 464302

>>464300
Every discomfort a woman feels, any misogynistic behavior that a woman has been subjected to, they turn it into a costume to parade it around.

No. 464303

>>464300
fucking hell, this boils my broccoli. Like, let women say how they feel. Look at the girls who get big breasts at 14 or 15 and feel really embarrassed or want reductions for them. it's a pain in the back! (literally)

trannies and tras are garbage

No. 464305

>>464300
How about "Mentally ill men stop telling women they want big boobs because of their sissy fetish challenge"

No. 464306

>>464012
I remember this shit. it was some really weird pot calling kettle black situation even though Courtney seemed somewhat genuine. That 'dudebro' who said he had feelings for courtney is a gay nigga tho

No. 464308

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No. 464317

>>464308

No cis woman wanted her periods or her oversize boobs, both these things cause long-term discomfort, pain, interfere with your daily life, cost you money

>validate my femininity tho


Reminds me of the lolcow who would start conversations with strange women and children about their periods, like this is a bonding experience for us. They have no idea. If they wanted to recreate the experience, just do a blood donation and then immediately go back to work without telling anyone you did it

No. 464326

>>464280
Read the context. The issue is that they were focusing on their own happiness in the case their wives interest drops, but not questioning why that happens. A lot of women lose interest in sex with their husband after household activities and child care are pushed onto them in addition to their job, but that isn't mentioned by anyone.

No. 464338

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I'm not sure if any of you know/care about this stupid video game youtuber ProJared, but I really need a sanity check here since essentially another powerful man just got away with more creepy fucking sexual grooming and everyone is acting like he's a poor victim.

Basically this guy has a predominantly young fanbase, and he had a tumblr where he solicited nudes from fans. A couple teenage boys come out and claim he abused them, which ProJared seemingly debunks in a separate video by presenting chatlogs etc. - this causes many causes many people to think they were wrong for calling out his behavior. The problem is that he admits to soliciting nudes but because he asks "yo, you 18+?" that makes it ok, as if these kids wouldn't just say yes to please him. And he frames it all as being "sex positive" when really he's just getting himself off to exploiting a power imbalance of fans vs. e-celeb.

People seem to be taking this as "MeToo going too far" and "cancel culture hysteria" and other nonsense. But he essentially downplayed the predatory role he plays in creating a space for fans desperate for approval to send him nudes. And people buy that bullshit and will now flock back to him as if nothing happened. It just pisses me off how easy it is for him to manipulate people but acting like a vulnerable victim.

No. 464341

>>464338

It is not illegal to ask nudes from people over 18.

No. 464344

>>464338
Men in particular are so quick to take his side because they’re so triggered and paranoid over #Metoo that they really think “uhh, I don’t remember this person” and “it’s not anyone’s business if I cheated on my wife” is a legitimate defense by a married public figure who used his platform and power to exploit fans who very obviously could have been minors. A lot of the same loser WKs will go on about how women are whores but when a male is a degenerate they flock to his defense.

No. 464345

>>464326
I cannot even count the number of times I've seen wives/mothers literally say she lost attraction to their husband because she has to take care of him like another child. Who could blame her? And men expect all of us to be baby making machines but never consider for a moment how a child might affect our physical comfort and confidence during sex. Just pop a human being out and get right back into it, ignoring possible tears/trauma down there, weight gain, stretch marks, breast feeding, etc. It must be so stressful to get pressured into sex when you're still coping with changes to your body.

>>464338
We have an entire 13 threads about him, full of people who completely agree with you and hate him. You can get hours worth of a sanity check reading them.

No. 464422

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Kek. There we have it.

No. 464425

>>464422
Being nonbinary is now considered trans and nonbinary people are always harping on like "I never felt right wearing a dress but now that I changed my name to Aiden and have a pixie cut I can wear dresses and makeup too and still feel androgynous… nonbinary pride!"

No. 464435

I have an annoying friend who is the "pick me" type. She swears that men aren't dangerous and you shouldn't feel in danger walking around at night. She does stupid shit like go out by herself. Now she is traveling alone backpacking like an autist. I secretly hope she gets raped so I can rub it in her face how I was right.

No. 464444

>>463839
Every radfem writer I know hates drag. Who is defending it?

No. 464448

>>464193
There are already birthing videos on Youtube mostly uploaded for educational or documentation purposes. It's gross how childbirth is something that is turning people on.

No. 464468

>>464435
>I secretly hope she gets raped so I can rub it in her face how I was right

what the actual fuck, anon? this is beyond fucked

No. 464470

>>464435
>Now she is traveling alone backpacking like an autistic
Backpacking solo is not that uncommon and does not characterize autistic behavior. You sound kind of jealous of your friend.

No. 464472

>>464135
Do you have the forum thread link, by any chance?

No. 464473

>>464338
>teenage boys
Pretty sure they were both girls. One just called herself Charlie.

No. 464480

>>464435
Fuckin scrotes. “I hope she gets raped and I can rub it in her face”?
You think she deserves it for not wanting your cock, or just because she’s being a happy woman in general?

No. 464483

>>464435
>secretly hope she gets raped so I can rub it in her face how I was right
I hope this is a troll, because otherwise you are truly one of the worst friends ever. Do your friend a favor and stop being her friend, you jealous and self-righteous gremlin.

No. 464490

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Married guy who may or may not have kids talking about how he liked to crossdress when younger. Should he transition because of how he wishes he was female sometimes even though he's in his 30s and married? Not one comment, as usual, saying no. In fact, they're all saying he needs to just get accepted by everyone for it for "being his authentic self". I know it's dumb but stuff like this is something I legitimately worry about. Getting married and then eventually finding out your husband wants to troon out. What a fucking nightmare. And how self-absorbed are these people?

No. 464497

Quick Question: has the term Pink Pill always meant pro-women/man
-hate or have we just reclaimed it? because I've seen pink pill used to mean being a traditional woman, and I've even seen some troons use the term.

No. 464505

>>464497
I suggested it among other titles a few months ago when "man hate" was considered too much. Another anon picked it when she made the thread and it stuck.

It's not a mainstream term and I've seen it used in different contexts so I don't think it needs any reclaiming from others.

No. 464509

>>463937
It's the most plastic looking one, of course. I already didn't care about this remake, but this is just gross. Women can't have anything anymore. The original The Craft was a flawed movie, but was still really important to so many girl growing up in the 90's. Fuck this shit.

No. 464510

I'm still partial to radpill

No. 464513

>>464300
>>464308
>anime avatars, trans flag avatars and She-Ra avatars

Of course.

No. 464533

>>463929
That's fucking terrible, nonnie.

No. 464537

>>464037
A girl I went to school with, became more 'woke' a couple of years back (veering on SJW territory), check her facebook a couple of days ago and she's married to an Italian man. Kinda shocked me, not gonna lie, but I guess he must be OK.

No. 464557

>>464483
I'm not jealous. If women who break rank are never punished, how is our movement ever going to succeed? If anything she bought it on herself.

>>464480
You lack critical thinking. Why would a guy get mad about a pick me girl? If anything they want something different.

>>464470
Traveling alone isn't normal. You sound autistic.

>>464468
Why? If you knew her you would wish this too. I showed her this thread and she laughed.

No. 464564

>>464557
How many threads you gonna post your “this girl deserves to be raped for enjoying herself and not obeying meeeeeee” tantrum in?

No. 464568

>>464557
How many threads you gonna post your “this girl deserves to be raped for enjoying herself and not obeying meeeeeee” tantrum in?

No. 464572

>>464564
I must have not made myself clear. Why do you think she is some innocent angel? She really is a vile human being who deserves it

>Is a "pick me" type who is best friends with a tranny

>Said that people worry too much about incels
>Repeatedly said that women lie about or exaggerate being raped
>Said the woman assaulted by Azis Asnari was lying
>Told me she was sexually assaulted. Later told me she forgave the guy and preferred that he didn't go to jail.
>Said there were a lot of things worse than sexual assault

She is a scab who covers for sexual assaulters. As you can see, she clearly deserves it.(autism)

No. 464574

>>464572
Idgi when did any strand of feminism encompass just a-logging about other women? Someone needs to read a book

No. 464576

>>464574
That person types just like the scrote from a couple of weeks back who claimed to be a "masculine woman", said women are "naturally made to be submissive to men", no matter how bad they are, and that radfems should just give up and create their own society.
I don't know if it's the same guy, but I have no doubt in my mind that it's a scrote and/or tranny trying to "show these dumb pink-piller cunts the error of their man-hating ways by LARPing as them in the worst, most extreme way possible" or "make radfems look bad to the whole site so admin finally bans them lol hahaa :3" by shitting up multiple threads with this stupidity.
Either way, only a mentally challenged scrote or a pick-me would ever think any woman deserves rape.

No. 464579

>>464574
Goblins larping because some women aren’t miserable baby-factories tied to the stove.
Either role play as what they think feminists say or just boring old ‘women should be property because magical dick logic’ trolling.

No. 464584

>>464435

kek women who backpack alone hear this constantly. I know I did earlier this year. "hurr you'll be raped you're dumb". Absolutely fuck people like you that think women should stay at home scared out of fear of male violence. You can be smart about this shit.

>>464572

Just because she's stupid as fuck doesn't mean she deserves to be raped you complete tool. There's no way you're not a scrote or a tranny jealous of your friend and the attention she gets.

No. 464585

>>464572
Its not about being an innocent angel or not. I don't wish rape on any woman, even the women I hate, even the actually even women. It's not feminist in any way to wish rape upon a woman.

No. 464586

You guys are unreal. Do you think that these kinds of idiot like my friend are going to change their mind magically? What do you think we should do about stupid girls like her?

>>464574
Wtf is a logging you sperg(read the rules sperg)

No. 464587

>>464584
You said she is stupid as fuck. Does that sound like someone who can backpack responsibly? There’s other ways of traveling that aren’t backpacking solo you autist.

There’s no way anyone would be jealous of the attention she gets. She is not very attractive and has a terrible personality as you can tell so not many people want to put up with that shit. Even her tranny friend friendZoned her. Yes she is that unattractive kek

No. 464589

>>464587
You sound like a bitter and unstable man who got rejected tbh with the way you keep going on about her, a normal person doesn’t write like this

No. 464590

>>464589
How convenient. Anyone that you disagree with must be a man. Then tell me what’s the best way to handle scabs like my friend? Or do you think she should be allowed to be smug and delusional for the rest of her life?(autism)

No. 464593

>>464590
ntayrt but if you resent her that much, why the fuck do you still interact with her, you absolute retard? who fucking CARES how delusional and smug she is if she's not in your life any more

drop that rope and stop festering over it, and do something more worthwhile with your time. like, fuck, grab some label paper and a sharpie an go make stickers that say women don't have penises and slap them on bus stops, telegraph poles, and the walls of public bathrooms if you wanna do something cool and radfem/gender critical. channel that vitriol into something that's productive and conducive to changing peoples' minds if you're that mad she has incorrect ideas, you fucking pepega

No. 464596

>>464590
Is this really the hill you’re going to die on? Wishing rape on someone who is supposedly your friend? Damn, with friends like you who the fuck needs enemies.

No. 464604

>>464586
>>464590

See, here's how I KNOW you're a man. Women don't think like this. We don't want to "do" anything about stupid/smug/delusional women. We don't want to rape them or hit them or see them hurt. The worst we'll do is bitch about them. Men are so broken they can't even grasp the concept that just because you don't like someone it doesn't mean they deserve some violent fucking fate wished upon them.

>>464587
SHE wants to backpack so SHE should do that if SHE wants stop worrying about HER choices and how she spends HER time and money.

No. 464605

>>464587
She's definitely more attractive than you because you sperged hard at this.

No. 464619

>hates woman for not being paranoid of men
>goes on about how you wish she gets raped
>conveniently throws in there about how she's unattractive
>
>
>
>why do people think I'm a man?

No. 464643

>>464435
You sound almost just like my fundamentalist Muslim father. Don't forget to wish that she'd get her nose cut off!

Statistically it literally is much safer to be a woman walking in public than a man. Women face the worst violence from men in their own communities, not strangers. Solo female backpacking is going to be safe in most countries and regions.(Cool story bro)

No. 464650

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>>464643
>Solo female backpacking is going to be safe in most countries and regions.

No. 464655

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hoo boy

No. 464657

>>464655
And this is why I trust no male's words.

No. 464663

>>464650
I guess it depends what you mean by "safe". Without risk? Definitely not, it's very risky and you should alwats be on guard. If you mean statistical likelyhood of coming to harm, then yeah it's pretty safe, most female solo backpackers come out of their experience completely fine.

No. 464679

Curious but what was for you all the moment you realized that the whole trans agenda made no sense?

No. 464681

>>464679

Since i knew there was such a thing. I already thought the LGBT agenda made no sense.

No. 464683

>>464679
Sarah Nyberg's pedo scandal. Chat history of him talking about how he wanted to molest his baby sister came out, and the left instantly jumped to say he was just joking and he didn't mean any of it. I read the chats, and it was very obvious that it was not all joking, that a lot of it was him discussing it completely seriously.

As I watched everyone on the left cape for him and nobody point out the obvious I began to realize I saw this a lot with MTFs, that they'd display obvious predator traits that would get them ostracized if they were trans, and I started searching to see if anyone else felt the same way I did. I found GC forums. Everything fell into place like a jigsaw puzzle.

No. 464687

>>464679
Seeing troons moan about how women are privileged for being women and face no violence, and how women talking about periods need to STFU because it "triggers" them.

No. 464691

>>464679
nick nyberg being a gross pedo and hiding behind his status as a trans woman, it's just who i am uwu shit was a big deal for me.

the great canadian pronoun debate also opened my eyes to some shit. jordan peterson is a joke, but the things he said about forcing people to use language stuck with me. why was this shit being written into law? how on earth can you self-identify as a woman and why should anyone care? it's just hyper narcissistic, hyper incel logic and entitlement. respect is earned. i've never met a trans person who deserved my respect. they're nasty, self absorbed, hateful people, ime.

at the same time i started reading gendertrender and that site sealed things. what's sick and sad is that women let them get away with it by kissing their asses and not telling them to fuck off. just like with rape, women on the whole need to get over it and learn how to speak up and defend themselves, in the moment. fuck socialization and the other bullshit. tranny shit is just another kind of rape, gaslighting on a mass scale. none of them pass, none of them are women.

the only trans people i accept are those who openly state that they have no claim to be women or men. they are their own thing, which is trans. if you want to be that, be it. that isn't woman or man, though. it's trans. they have zero right to women's bodies or spaces. but they're going to try and take it all.

No. 464696

>>464691
Actually most transwomen hide behind that to excuse their stalky, pervy, abusive or rapey behaviour. There are quite a few trans lolcows
like this: laurelai bailey, laura kate dale, jessica yaniv, morgane oger, contrapoints to name a few.

No. 464705

>>464679
Before I became interested in radical feminism, I was a huge libfem handmaiden. I was pro trans before it was cool back when people were rallying together for same sex marriage. I used pronouns, called myself cis, jumped through hoops for their acceptance.

One day I was on a liberal subreddit and kept hearing about r/GenderCritical. The rest is history. I hated it and gawked, but eventually I started to take their claims and arguments to heart, and I became a radical feminist.

No. 464712

>>464679
i always felt it was too fake and retarded to be real. i couldn't possibly entertain the idea, even as a young teen, which is why people actually believing this is baffling to me. it's incredibly dumb and is medically counterintuitive. even if it were real, the 'treatment' makes no sense. obviously the entire 'condition' is completely contrived in order to give deviants an excuse and to 'fix' gays. if men wanted to medically legitimize the idea of lizard people, they could do it. that's how much power they have if they've been able to successfully brainwash society into believing something this dumb

No. 464718

>>464604
Plenty of all women wish death threats and other sorts of threats on people. Saying that we radfems are angels is really laughable. You're grasping at straws.

I'm not really worried about her backpacking anon. You're missing the point too.

>>464605
You think someone friendzoned by a tranny could be attractive? What does a woman's attractiveness have to do with her worth anything? Even if she was more attractive, it doesn't matter because she's a scab. You sound like a scrote.

>>464643
Proof? Plenty of women get raped backpacking.(calm down)

No. 464728

>>464679
Trans "women" I knew and did tons to support IRL revealing themselves to actually be misogynistic sissy fetishists. I started thinking to myself, I supported them in putting on makeup and dresses and saving for surgery, but in the end they knew nothing of what it's like to be a woman and said disgusting things that women would never say. They revealed their motives to be sexual fetishism. That led me to wondering what is the "right" way to feel like a woman if you weren't born as one anyway? How is wanting to cut your dick up and have it inverted and sewn into a hole the same as being a woman? Then I saw someone link to or mention a peak trans reddit thread and the TRA logic all fell apart for me.

No. 464740

>>464728 etc.
Seems like a lot of people here are linking their anti-trans sentiments to specific trans people they’ve met/known. You dislike or have had a shit experience with a trans person and that informs how you feel about all trans people, even the people you’ve never met or know exist. I’m wondering, is that how you base your feelings on other social classes? Do you like all the women you’ve met? Black people? Children? Lesbians? There’s got to be more to being a radical feminist than hating on a small minority group right?

No. 464743

>>464740
I mean, I've met unpleasant women, unpleasant black people, unpleasant gay people, etc. But every single trans person I've encountered, online and off, has been nasty in the exact same narcissistic, self-absorbed, creepy way. Every single one. There hasn't even been one exception.

No. 464744

>>464743
That’s a real shame. I’ve definitely met or known some trans people who really suck but I’ve also met and know some really rad trans people. Do you like all the radfems you come across?

No. 464746

>>464744
>Do you like all the radfems you come across?

Most, but not all. I've met some radfems I thought were annoying or kinda dumb. However the radfems I've met who I didn't like were all obnoxious in their own way, whereas the trans people were all obnoxious in exactly the same way.

No. 464748

>>464744
NTA but I don't think political beliefs and a life-altering mental disorder are comparable. In my experience, the TiMs I've interacted with were unpleasant not because of their politics at all, but because they were obsessed with sexualising every woman they talked to, all while being extremely bitter about women receiving any positive attention. Maybe there are some troons who manage to be stable and not let their mental issues taint the way they treat women, but I haven't met one.

No. 464750

>>464740
I haven't hated every trans person I've met. Like probably for every 5 I've met only 1 or 2 have been huge assholes. Some have been incredibly awful like rapists or abusers but at a similar rate to the men in my life. I'm also not isolated from them at all and happen to live in an area with a lot so I've been extremely close to trans people in school, as roommates or at work. (just for background i'm not the norm in my country I just wanted to offer perspective on actually being around them irl)

Online Is different but also most "chill" trans people online won't broadcast it so it's hard to know if they are on average "worse" than any other group. I made my decision to associate as little as possible based on politics and it's more similar as to how I prefer to hang out with people who aren't very religious. I can't predict someone being a bad person based on a random trait about themselves but I know if someone subscribes to a way of thinking I just can't support or pretend to believe in.

It's not that I hate them it's just me and an extremely conservative christian have very little in common in terms of core beliefs and their ideology directly conflicts with mine and I don't need to be friends with them. same goes for trans people. to maybe mis-quote a fallen hero "they worship a god i do not believe in"

No. 464758

>>464679
The biggest one was probably when they went after Chimamanda Ngozie Adichie for saying the experiences of transwomen are not the same as the experiences of women. Such a non-controversial statement, and yet they treated her like shit.

No. 464780

>>463553
>>464740

I didn’t meet a trans person until this year, but have been GC since 2015. I peaked around the time of the whole Bruce Jenner identifying as a woman thing.
At first I thought it was men trying to express femininity, women wear pants, men wanted to wear dresses. Then Jenner won woman of the year, and here I am sitting thinking, of all the great women out there who deserve recognition, some guy changes his name, starts dressing femininely, and thinks the hardest part about being a woman is choosing what to wear. He confirmed to me then that his idea of what made him a woman was all stereotypes.
Then came the demand to compete with women in sport and the taking of opportunities of real women put in place to get rid of a disparity created by historical sexism. Woman weren’t always allowed to vote when men could, women couldn’t always go to school when men could, women couldn’t always own property when men could. Women would pretend to be men to be independent and not forced to conform to society’s desires of them (a society often run by men who desired of them only what they found useful, sex, kids, everything to do with their biology).
Let’s also not forget the obvious conversion therapy aspect of it (God says Adam and Eve, if my daughter calls herself Adam I can still accept them while maintaining my religious beliefs), that often detransitioners mention their transition was spurred by sexual abuse (he targeted me because he is sexually aroused by women, I’m no longer a woman so I won’t be his victim again) or sexism (believing stereotypes perpetuated by men are real when society is largely run by men in most industries).
Now men want to pretend they understand what it means to be a woman. They don’t. They only see it as stereotypes. Not everyone is changed by personal experiences, some just see it all for what it is, sexism for the woke era.

No. 464784

>>464679
I started feeling frustrated with my own womanhood and slowly but surely started to resent MTFs for their idea of what womanhood is, knowing they could never actually know what it’s like. I found gender critical on here and then started doing my own reading… I went from a trans ally to super gender critical very quickly, I’m still guilty of using preferred pronouns though. I don’t want to be “called out” by my entire friend group lmao.

No. 464790

>>464681
Sorry, but what do you mean by that? The LGB “agenda” makes sense in that they just want basic rights afforded to straight people.

No. 464794

>>464740
I wonder how you think me questioning the logic inherent to transgenderism as a result of seeing it shattered is the same as deciding that all black people or lesbians are of bad character. Notice I concluded nothing of the general character of transgenders as a whole, only a flaw in the inherent logic in it that I only first noticed because of the behaviors of certain people, but you projected general "hatred" onto it. I don't hate transgenders. I question the logic behind "identifying as" a sex that you are not.

No. 464801

>>464679
Pretty much as soon as I found out about transgenderism. Because for me, even though I've always related more to white people I know I will never be white. Not with medical procedures or name changes or a new ID card or even if everyone around me pretends that I'm white. The idea of changing your body to fit your brain has always sounded absolutely retarded to me. I thought the Rachel Dolezal thing would convince people but nope. Sometimes I wonder if minorities started identifying as white, white liberals would start to see how pathetic gender ID really is.

No. 464802

>>464801
>if minorities started identifying as white

No. 464807

>>464794
Come on now that’s a bit disingenuous, it’s kind of clear that many of the anons here aren’t just voicing that they think being transgender is illogical. A lot of anons are saying things along the lines of “all trans people are obnoxious, bad people” / “all trans people are the same”. If you’re gonna be hateful in the service of a cause you think is just then at least own up to it.

Blogging but: I think all fascists are scum, hate them, have nothing good to say about them and even if one was a saint in other ways I wouldn’t give a fuck. In many ways I hate them to keep the fuel going for a cause that I think is just. I get the feeling that maybe that’s what goes on with the trans antagonism from radfems too, some of the things being said just aren’t rational or logical or whatever… just trying to figure it out. I’m a feminist, and not a libfem but I just really can’t get my head around what makes anti-trans radfems, who seem to put so much energy into fighting a social class that is really a statistical anomaly, tick.

No. 464812

>>464807
Why are you caping so hard for nasty ass TiMs in this thread? Are you AGP? Or just an ignorant handmaiden?

No. 464813

>>464807
Why should women go case by case and decide who’s acceptably treating being a woman as a fetish and who’s gone too far?

The fact that they view a woman’s existence as a sexually gratifying experience they must have is reason enough to dismiss them all. Feminism does not need to make space or concessions for men, even if those men adopt performative femininity.

No. 464814

>>464812
Lol I thought it had been too long before someone called me a handmaiden. I’m not caping for anyone. I just saw the radfem thread ticking along and thought I might ask some questions. I’m not trying to change anyone’s minds, what’s the point?

No. 464815

>>464807
>>464740
>I’m wondering, is that how you base your feelings on other social classes? Do you like all the women you’ve met? Black people? Children? Lesbians?
Hi, can you not equate being trans or a TRA to being a certain race or sexuality? We're not weapons or tools to be used in your fight. The "trans experience" will never be tantamount to the experience of an entire racial group or a sexual minority.
Take that "A trans woman is a woman the same way a black woman is a woman" and "Lesbians, esp butches are barely considered valid women anyway, they should understand trans women's struggle!!" far, far away. Thanks.
The same goes for children, honestly. Kind of a ridiculous comparison.

No. 464817

>>464807
> fighting a social class that is really a statistical anomaly
A statistical anomaly that rapes women in female prisons, takes up spots in female sports, encourages young kids with mental illnesses to take life-altering drugs… Do you really not see how some people might feel strongly about that? Good for you if you don't, everyone can fight whatever fight they want, but don't pretend that having an issue with this stems from some irrational hatred of trans people.

No. 464826

>>464817
I really think that anon is just convinced that 99% of trans people are fine, and that all the rapists, misognynistic incels and perverts who think being a woman is one big kink are a huge, exaggerated minority.
They need to check out r/thisneverhappens and take a look at the shit trans people say about cis women on /lgbt/ unfiltered (they unironically believe in female privilege). Such a tiny population on planet earth, but so many horrible cases and disgusting opinions abound.
For me, personally, though, I have no problem with trans people as individuals, at least until they prove to be shitty people. This isn't about individuals all being bad. It's about what the political lobbying means for us.
Like you said, what I don't accept is them insisting they are the exact same as women, claiming we are "privileged", enforcing strict gender roles for personal validation purposes, demanding access to places where women will be vulnerable just because it validates their dysphoria (opening us all up to sexual harassment, rape, assault, etc), demanding we call ourselves "vagina-havers" or "bleeders" because any equation of womanhood to being female is a potential trigger, taking accolades and spots that should be reserved for actual women (like in sports, political positions - especially in Thailand, jobs, etc or even titles like "women in tech" or "woman of the year"), and calling homosexual people "transphobic" for not converting to bisexuality for their sake.
TRA lobbying is a direct threat to all women's rights, on top of often also being steeped in homophobia. The ethics of drugging and "transing" children is another struggle altogether. I don't understand how anyone can not see that if they're actually paying attention. Many people aren't (I admittedly wasn't, and I got suckered into the "trans women are women" handmaiden shit since I was like 14), which wouldn't be so bad if they weren't immediately jumping to defend all this shit without knowing anything about it just because it's what's trendy and socially accepted at the moment.
The alternative is that they do see it, and either just don't give a shit about women, or outright hate us and want to punish us (and I've seen this exact rhetoric on /lgbt/ before - "punishing" women and "giving us a taste of our own medicine" for being feminists in the first place). It's twisted.

No. 464836

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Could any of you sincerely love a man?

No. 464841

>>464836
One day these dumbasses will figure out sexbots are just a modern version of the worlds oldest profession and will change exactly nothing about society or gender relations. They really possess no critical thinking skills when it comes to revenge fantasies about women who don't want them anyway, huh?

No. 464855

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>>464836
>>464836
this is just sad. or expected troonery, either way, pathetic

No. 464862

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>>464807

I've never even heard of a sane tranny. Every single one I've known irl pushed boundaries and wore me down. Every one I've see online is batshit. The ones that do the talks on my campus are off their rockers, running around and saying trans rights are the new civil rights movement, and that the way trans people are treated is akin to how black people used to be treated in America during segregation.

I'm sure there are sane ones, but they're living extremely quiet lives. They need to start speaking up if they want to save themselves. And no I don't feel bad about that. Women are having to speak up even if they don't want to to save their spaces etc.

Also, you absolutely are a libfem if you can't understand, from a radfem perspective, why someone would dismiss all trans people. They are literally walking depictions of the stereotypical woman. Even the quiet ones are enforcing streotypes that have been used to oppress women as a means to make their fee-fees feel better. This is gender critical 101 which is the basis of second wave feminism aka radical feminism. Read a fucking book or watch a Magdeline Burns video instead of QQing on here about why we're so mean to the menz.

No. 464865

>>464836
>women in desperation
Desperation for what? The kind of man who would use a sex bot to replace an actual human being obviously isn't one any woman would want in her life to begin with. They either had no hope to begin with, or they weren't searching for a real relationship, just a walking sex toy, so I don't get it.
Why are these people so delusional? Their entire problem is that women don't want them, right? In that case, what makes them think that if they stick their dicks in metal, we'll come running? It makes no sense. By that logic, the existence of fleshlights and dating sims would've cured them of their inceldom by now because all us dumb roasties would've gotten jealous of their waifus and plastic trinkets.
They need to take their expensive fuckbots, stop assaulting and raping us, and keep our names out of their mouths. Then we can all have peace.

No. 464868

>>464836
How are sexbots any different from fleshlights, realdolls or any other male sex toys? If getting their dicks milked regularly was really all they needed to be content, why won't they just get some Fuck Me Silly silicone ass and stop whining?

No. 464886

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>>464836
Give me a break. Most men struggle to see women as human beings. It's either sex object, their property (or both) or totally invisible or useless. I think a male being capable of love for an actual woman is probably completely out of the question. Loved based on looks or some retarded character or projection they come up with that doesn't resemble how humans act, maybe. They literally say "I'll love women when they go back to acting like women", which means they'll "love" us when we become their slaves again, totally obedient and lacking any freedom to escape their abusive practices. How can you honestly claim you love someone you see so beneath you?

I've seen so many posts from these retards who were in genuine life-altering shock once they realized that women were human individuals as well. They learn this from a very, very young age, meanwhile women living in a male-dominated world with male-dominated spaces and media have to learn to empathize with men in order to navigate it and succeed. Must be so depressing for men living in such a world where half the population isn't sentient to you. What the hell's going on in there?

Also this is such a cope. Men are the ones who go on shootings and public attacks when they can't get a girlfriend and make entire cope communities like incels and MGTOW (the latter of which is complete failure that can't even go their own way, unlike Female/Lesbian Separatism which actually worked out with their Womyn's Lands and such). They could watch porn, VR, use fleshlights or dolls, or go to prostitutes (I definitely don't want them having to endure the company of these freaks, but that's reality right now unfortunately), which they all claim totally satisfies them, but at the end of the day what they still cry about is the lack of love and connection. I think muh sex bots is just reinventing the wheel. They create entire religions and institutions like marriage to control us. Males join ISIS because they are promised wives. Incels literally call for revocation of all our freedoms and changing the entire structure of society just because they completely fail to get any one of us. Widowers die soon after their wife dies, but not the reverse. After a divorce, males are more likely to remarry and women are more like to remain single. Married men are the happiest and married women are the most miserable. I honestly doubt that many women would care if abusive assholes fuck off to their new pieces of plastic and metal, I'm sure a lot of them would be fine by themselves and with their friends.

No. 464902

>>464740
I know a decent trans person, but that doesn't make trans ideology any less illogical than it actually is. If I met a nice flat-earther, that wouldn't convince me that the earth is flat. Same applies to people who believe they can change biological sex.

>I'm wondering, is that how you base your feelings on other social classes? Do you like all the women you’ve met? Black people? Children? Lesbians?

Comparing transgenderism to other social groups is a weak analogy because their identities are predicated on certain beliefs about biology and gender that not everyone agrees with. Black people don't call others bigoted for not accepting them as white - a deliberate falsehood. They only ask to not be unlawfully discriminated against. Gays and lesbians never said straight people have to fuck them as a major point in their civil rights movement. The transmovement throws the LG under the bus with the cotton ceiling rhetoric though, and labels anyone a bigot who doesn't 100% agree with their Orwellian garbage. At this point, you're better off comparing transgenderism to religious groups because that is what it most closely resembles. Do they have a right to believe in what they want? Absolutely. Do they have a right to force their beliefs on others? Nope.

No. 464933

Video of a detransitioned transwomen talking about autogynophilia, and how it effected his life and trying to warn other misguided young men. So, they don't go through what he went through.

I appreciate how raw that must be.

https://youtu.be/z6LI_l-hmQs

No. 464937

Can men actually be raped by women? When men post about how they're super scared of being raped by a woman it seems like a fetish to me.

No. 464938

>>464937
Lol, same. People ittt have gone over the fact that men over exaggerate when it comes to assault and are far more likely to make non-issues into big deals. I highly doubt any man is sincerely scared of being assaulted or raped by a woman, because they know they are usually much stronger than us, as they love telling us.

No. 464940

>>464937
i believe that it can happen but reported cases of rape show that it's extremely unlikely to happen. if anything, men are way more likely to get raped by other men.

No. 464949

>>463955
It it literally impossible to detect if a connection is being proxied if proxy works correctly. You are either using a transparent proxy or one whose IP is on a public list.

No. 464951

>>464937

Some mothers are awful and abusive and there's definitely a ton of cases of women that have participated in pedo abuse. But it is unlikely a grown man would ever be raped by an adult woman, a man walking alone at night has to fear another man harming him 99% of the times. Not just rape but muggings, stabbings, getting shot, all violent crimes against men tend to be perpetrated by other men.

No. 464953

>>464937
There have been cases like that russian shop-owner who imprisoned a thief and raped him but ultimately I think it's very different from male-on-female rape. Female rape is more betraying the males sensibilities and them being afraid to say no because of some perceived notion that they'll be ridiculed/ostracized or even hit with a rape allegation for turning down a woman if that makes any sense

Also this video is kind of an eye-opener but I know that most guys probably don't share his sentiments on it

No. 464958

>>464933
Made some good points. I was diagnosed with gender identity disorder at 24 and then high functioning autism at 30. Obvs autogynephilia wasn't a part of my short-lived ftm phase but there are links between autism and gender confusion. The amount of 'genderqueer' autistic women out there is nuts

How come pysch teams are quicker at picking up on 'gender feelings' then they are at noticing autism in women?

No. 464961

>>464958
These days only one of the two requires lifelong medication and potential surgeries.

No. 464966

>>464951
>a man walking alone at night has to fear another man harming him 99% of the times

I mean this isn't true he's almost certain not to be raped but statistically the victims of violent crime are also overwhelmingly young men, not just the perpetrators.

No. 464985

>>464961
They misdiagnose women with personality disorders and medicate those instead. Then they claim autism is -so subtle- in girls and that explains the late diagnosis rates

Maybe we are failing girls if they make it well into adulthood unaware of their autism while boys are getting diagnosed in childhood and supported from a young age

No. 464988

>>464966

thats exactly what i said, he should be worried of being harmed by another man.

No. 464989

>>464988
yes sorry anon, rolled a 1 for reading comprehension

No. 464990

>>464985
And then autistic women get diagnosed in adulthood and still get no support. Sorry for the blogpost but I was assessed by a male psychiatrist and even though he did give me a diagnosis, he kept downplaying the effects of previously undiagnosed autism on my life and didn't refer me to any of the services I was entitled to. It seems like autistic women are considered to be completely functional and undeserving of assistance unless they're outright suicidal.

Meanwhile the men I know who have autism were diagnosed as children, got specific suppport in school, benefits, etc. Men will claim mental disorders aren't taken seriously in men when it's young girls who are accused of being overly emotional or faking it for attention.

No. 464991

>>464990
In my experience, mental illness in adults goes almost entirely unsupported. Eating disorders in women, autism diagnosis for adult men, YMMV but in adulthood everyone I know has the same experience for mental health: medication, and information about 3rd sector volunteer organisations which provide non-specialist 'counselling'.

Not denying that approaches to autism are gendered, just want to point out that an adult anyone diagnosed with mental anything is basically ignored unless they're a danger to others.

No. 465007

>>464937
It can happen if the man gets drugged up. Also with pedophile women. I suppose coercion as well.

No. 465011

>>464991
Autism isn't a mental illness, it's a developmental disorder that can be diagnosed at toddler age

You don't ever expect to raise an autistic child and not even know about it til they are fully grown, adults getting poor help for mental illness is one thing, these are kids going year after year without a diagnosis

No. 465017

>>464990
Textbook cases in girls are overlooked as they just prescribe anxiety/depression meds when social issues or isolation become a problem

Babied aspergers males are an issue too though, the kind that stay eternal children living with their mothers and using it as an excuse to never achieve anything. I don't know which is worse, neglecting girls to the point where 40 year old women are getting diagnosed or men being so babied that their 'high functioning' autism becomes low functioning over time

No. 465037

>>465011
>these are kids going year after year without a diagnosis

I actually think over diagnosis and over medication is a problem with kids. Shrinks are giving drugs to children like fucking candy, every other kid is diagnosed ADHD or Asspie and both are pretty vague conditions very easy to diagnose if you really want to

No. 465060

>>465037
Girl what?

If you view autism as a 'vague condition' you must be thinking of the internet insult version of autism

No. 465063

>>465060

Autism is not that vague, assperger absolutely can be. Is not that hard for introverted kids to get that diagnosis.

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>>465017
If she's 40 years old she was born in 1979. Far less likely for anyone that age to have been identified as autistic in childhood.

Not that anyone is owed anything for having been born autistic, but there you go.

No. 465066

>>465037
>>465063
ADHD does get over-diagnosed, but as >>465060 said
autism is not nearly as vague as you think. There are specific categories of symptoms that one must absolutely have to be autistic, even if tumblr would have us believe all you need is to be "quirky" and introverted. Asperger's is also considered to be part of the autistic spectrum now, and requires symptoms in the same categories as autism generally does.

In my experience the assessment takes a while and the questions are too specific to be able to "fake" autism. Maybe parents could bullshit assessments for their kids, but most people have such a bad understanding of what autism actually consists in that they'd probably fuck it up.
There are also specific developmental milestones, delays and over-sensitivities that are easy to notice in children, but in girls they often get dismissed as the kid being spoiled and attention-hungry.

No. 465070

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Young South Korean men are angry at conscription, low employment opportunity and the state of the job market, low wages, and high housing prices. Somehow, in the country that ranks 115th out of 145 countries tested for gender equality (and 125th of 145 for the gender pay gap), all of this is actually the fault of women, feminism and #MeToo. One blogger says a study showed that approximately 25.9% of South Korean men in their 20s would be categorized as “off the charts misogynistic”, with possibly up to 60% being “strongly misogynistic”. Men in their 30s don’t display near the same levels of misogyny. They also suggest this hostility among younger men was encouraged by the government (https://mobile.twitter.com/AskAKorean/status/1175839091205840898).

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/21/asia/korea-angry-young-men-intl-hnk/index.html

No. 465075

>>464679
kinda late but i had it when the women's march happened and there was so much criticism towards the pink pussy hats. "not everyone has a vagina!" like fuck off. and it wasn't even from one TIM it was a fucking barrage of hot takes. that alongside the pushback to chimamanda like >>464758 said. it really opened my eyes.

i feel so bad for lesbians, i really do.
hit up the stickied post on GenderCritical. you'll see a bunch of stories like this

No. 465078

>>465063
Aspergers is autism, it's all classed as ASD now

The assessment for it is surprisingly thorough and I can't imagine anyone even bullshitting their way into a diagnosis if they tried, the superficial link between introversion and autism is all just internet-memes for autism lols

You're over simplifying it because you don't know much about it

No. 465088

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in between his pedophilia and asian fetishism, i wish trevor brown would die. why do men get famous for garbage like this?

No. 465092

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What are you guys' thoughts on the whole Heartbeat RPG/Nikoteenie debacle?

No. 465095

>>465092
game looks boring and trite so i don't care

No. 465096

>>465092
They'll dig up any reason to go after lesbian women.

There's a game called Ladykiller in Love where a lesbian gets raped by a man and enjoys it. It was barely criticized at all. Why? Because the developer is a troon and has tranny privilege. Can you imagine if a lesbian created a game where a troon gets raped back to being a normal guy? They'd never stop screaming about it.

No. 465097

>>465092
literally who tho

No. 465100

>>465070
Of course many men there harbor illogical hatred for women because they have built up a huge industry around it. Half of men in that country have used prostitutes and 26% do so within a given year. Any john is guaranteed to be an extreme misogynist.

No. 465117

>>464937
My husband was raped in his sleep by a woman, clearly fucked him up like now he can't sleep without the door locked or barricaded if we're in a hotel. Most normie men seem to think it can't happen to them.

I've also talked to loads of men who's first sexual experience was being molested by an older woman, it seems very common in the African American community.

No. 465129

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Saw someone share this website on a different site, hadn't seen it shared here. Apparently, as of sometime this year, this "online clinic" opened for "trans teens and adults". No mental assessment is required, you just pay for them to bring hormones to your door. Don't see it specified anywhere that kids can't do this, either. How could this ever go wrong… https://trueuclinic.com

No. 465143

>>465129
With "informed consent" clinics like this you sign away all your legal rights should you experience bad side effects from the HRT. I don't think most troons realize this.

No. 465145

>>465088
Going by his art and the art he did of real girls,
He must see Asian women as european children which is typical for a lot of asian fetishists.

Also, what's with online artists – like why is there such a trend with them being only fixated on one subject and getting such praise for it? This is why I don't take the online art community seriously or the "artists" at all. Seems like they are marginally talented and need to appeal to other outcasts to get some amount of praise. I also don't remember artists of the past being fixated on only one subject matter, and if they did they were hell of a lot good at it and basically MASTERED it. Can't say the same thing for these pedophiles and fetishists.

No. 465149

>>465070
>>464836
>2030 women in desperation
Pretty sure we'd be so politically divided at that time it'd be clash of conservative men vs liberal men fighting for dominance.

>>464865
what they really want is for women to chase them and want them. And those men really want to reject women. They want power and for women to be desperate for them. It's why when you read that thread, there were some men c mlp I ming that male sex doll's don't provide for women so women will need men still. You know, for the important shit like paying for dinner kek. They really hate women making their own money and living beyond their control.

>>465070
The older generation and their own government fueled their misogyny and promoted it. Their elders fucked up over so what do the young men do? Blame wome.for everything. I've read that alot of women are hated for not having enough kids, or when they do, they can't just JP back to work so they're stuck at the sidelines in a catch 22. Fuck.

No. 465153

>>465149
>what they really want is for women to chase them and want them.

This is it exactly. The common factor in EVERY sexbot fantasy is "And women will be so angry and desperate!"

They're never focused on what kind of cool things sexbots might be able to do, or how you could customize a sexbot, or how many sexbots you might be able to get. It's always about women's reactions. That alone is why just like porn, fleshlights and Real Dolls didn't stop men obsessing over women, sexbots won't either.

No. 465193

What's up with the names the nb/trans ppl choose for themselves? Everyone I've come across have taken names like Caden, Kayla, Remi, Remus (yes, after the HP-character). Mind you, this is even weirder here as I'm not in a country with english as the state language. Seems like such a narcissistic notion too, choosing your own name, something you think sounds CoOl or QuIrKy.

No. 465201

>>465145
he only does art shows in japan where pedophilia is tolerated in public art spaces so that says a lot

No. 465208

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TIMs and incels are synonyms

No. 465219

>>465208
>stop dating the 20% of decent men, you dumb, privileged femoid! give shitty, inferior men a chance >:(
>btw most men are genuinely good people. trust me, i'm one of the-i mean spent decades with them
You can't make this shit up. I wish I could find this thread, I really want to see how many upvotes that has and read the comments.

No. 465227

>>465092
I'm not really into this type of game, but I just bought it to support the creator during this mess.
I kind of despise that they're trying to cancel an actual female game dev (and a lesbian one at that, for obvious reasons) for the things her girlfriend did (not even her), and that they're doing this just because said girlfriend isn't drinking the kool-aid that men with dysphoria are women just because it's the freshest "woke" thing.

No. 465232

>>465088
Pretty sure the first person I ever saw mention this guy was a TiM, which is unsurprising. His art is ugly anyway.

No. 465239

File: 1569287413774.jpg (75.74 KB, 680x607, heartbeat.jpg)

The developer's girlfriend of indie game Heartbeat was speaking her mind earlier and now people are review bombing the game lol

No. 465240

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>>465239
also in the video comments

No. 465253

My experience with a MtF:
>met her at work where she was a volunteer. She was older than me, nearly mid twenties, and a regular here
>a chronic volunteer because nowhere else would take her
>got kicked out of Starbucks for looking at her phone too much, she defended herself and couldn't see what was wrong with checking the 'growth' of her 'sponsorships' for her youtube channel (her dream goal really was being a famous youtuber)
>said channel is her webcam quality vlogs, totally unedited, mostly rambling about makeup and being trans and she's terrible at both
>channel predictably only had 40 or so subs and the comments sounded like chasers.
>we worked with minors here so obviously there have to be boundaries. Most of these kids are specifically rough, bottom of the barrel dropout types. Somehow this bitch comes in every day always wearing miniskirts, crop tops, midriff showing pieces, high heels, ott with the hair. Idk why no dress code was imposed on her even if it was only volunteering.
>she was supposed to help me in my role but all she really did was chat to the students and inserted herself in "as one of them". She also thought she was intelligent for knowing how to do 10th grade English/Math* but the only reason she knows this material is because she came here herself to be a student. Our age range is 16-18 so even at the furthest end, at 23 that means she spent 5 years hanging around here, refusing to move on because this place clearly lets her get to live her popular highschool girl fantasy for as long as my boss keeps the door open.
>got catty with one of the lads and it almost escalated dangerously because she, classy as always, bragged about a knife in her handbag. I noped the fuck out of there and told my boss, later I overheard the tranny say it was for self defence, fucking LOL. Even if it wasn't illegal to carry one anyway, it's downright inappropriate and stupid to take one into a classroom environment where threatening to knife you is common greeting to these kids because they learnt it from their parents :^)
>very much enjoys the attention from trashy male teenage boys in general
>We're supposed to have regular LGBT awareness presentations and we're too underfunded/understaffed to get anyone to do it properly, so my boss always gets her to do it. She instead uses this time to talk about her sobstory as a sad bullied gay boi who is now a 'chick with a dick' and I could tell both times when I was there that she liked entertaining them with the shock value about penile inversion surgeries. Zero information that's actually useful to anyone who is LGBT.

tl;dr met a walking tranny stereotype and it's as vapid as you can imagine. Her transitioning is funded for by the taxpayer and she enjoys the latest crap and buying wigs on Wish, but she WORKS HARD AT BEING A WOMAN!! /s
My boss was probably soft on her for being a former kid at this place, but she's also an older lesbian so idk if there's some solidarity mindset going on. Sorry it's blogpost but with the new rules idk where else this would go.

No. 465255

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Took this from the pheebs thread because it's trans related. Old pheebs is trying to get support to write to a transman in prison after he was arrested for robbing a 90 year old woman at knife point for drugs. She's supporting them cuz 'muh trans.' and fuck the poor 90 year old victim, am i right??

No. 465257

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>>465255
The trans 'victim'

No. 465258

>>465253
ugh, gay men are tr00ning out more and more now a days. I wonder what's gonna happen when the dating pool becomes even slimmer than ever for fags

No. 465259

>>465239
Love her for saying this. Love it. It's all true and trannies are furious, i'm sure. But where is she wrong? Lesbians don't like dick. It's the ONE rule of being a lesbian. Nothing more.

No. 465260

File: 1569292507041.gif (1.03 MB, 160x160, jenlaughspittake.gif)

>>465239
>You can surgically mold your penis into the Eiffel Tower. You won't become France

shit, i love her

No. 465261

>>465257
>Periods of change are especially hard for Taylor and his mental health
Holy shit why should anyone care when she violently traumatized an innocent old woman in her home. That poor woman will feel unsafe and terrified for the rest of her life and I’m supposed to feel bad for the genderspecial facing the consequences in prison?

No. 465262

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sjw/everything goes lefty thinking really ruining where i live….

No. 465264

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>>465259
exactly she isn't wrong. and all the transbians are fuming on all platforms. check the @ in pic attached. Same person in the bottom comment here >>465240 which was the first comment to be made about the ebil terves

No. 465267

>>465262
Canada is going to implode in a matter of years. This is fucking ridiculous

No. 465269

>>465262
How is this okay?? this is public safety. they need to release the sex of predators and people committing crimes to keep people safe. wtf canada

No. 465271

>>465262
Jesus Christ. This is gonna end in disaster.

No. 465273

>>465269
A crime was committed by someone in someplace at sometime, this has been the news at 9

No. 465275

>>465262
Watch them immediately roll back this policy when it's time to report about transphobic hate crimes against stunning and brave trans gals.

No. 465276

LMAO any of you seen Nikita Dragun's new makeup palette? The cover is a plastic blowup doll looking version of his face and the shade names are "T girl", "silicone", etc. And everyone will go "yaaaaas kweeeeen" and not see this as a fetishized view of femininity.

No. 465292

>>465239
This gives me fuel to be openly TERF on social media

No. 465306

Recently started browsing these threads and I've never considered myself a radfem or anything, but after having been involved in so many gaming discords and 4chan communities I'm starting to hate most mtfs. Especially the ones I meet online. Ftms are not nearly as entitled, cruel or heartless like most mtfs are. Is this a biological thing?

No. 465307

>>465306
>Is this a biological thing?
Yes, it's called being biologically male and all the entitlement and perversion that come with it.

No. 465317

Just found out my union's nightclub toilets, will be "gender-netural". That just seems like a really bad idea. Reading further, it's confusing if it's just like that in general as a venue space, because it says it will switch back to being gender specific. I'll find out, when I go.

No. 465328

A (very traditionally feminine other than short hair) NB girl just joined my work place and it is hilarous seeing all the woke types trying to use the correct pronouns. Every single time anyone talks about her it's "I like her, seems n- wait-sorry- THEM I like THEM!" and "yeah she's already got… no THEY! they've already got it, god sorry!" and correcting each other about "misgendering" even though that's not even the right term by woke standards.

No. 465342

>>465306
this was my experience too. i was cool with trans stuff until i actually met some mtfs and realized how shitty they are.

No. 465359

What world do we live in where men spam cp and degenerate porn on a women's website just to piss them off.

A woman would never.

No. 465375

>>465239
I have always wondered how do troons think blind people's sexuality works if everyone's just supposed to be only attracted to what people look like (thus lesbians should be attracted to men who look like women) instead of also being attracted to how people's bodies feel like

do blind straight gay etc people exist in troon rhetoric

No. 465378

>>464557
Huh, women are not allowed to travel alone?

This is the worst example that the society teaches to women to be afraid so they can control us.

I have travelled by myself since I was 18. My last trip was to Middle-East country and I was suprised that many my friend thought it was considered as a ’bold’ move. I’m experienced traveller so I don’t need to be cautious. Of course I’m aware and don’t act foolish but I have never felt really afraid when traveling alone.

I have experienced ten times more strange people being helpful and kind than creeps. Last trip there was one unpleasant conversation (i just walked away) and dozens of people genuinely caring for me.

No. 465402

>>465378

>My last trip was to Middle-East country and I was suprised that many my friend thought it was considered as a ’bold’ move.


They should've just used "stupid" instead.

Traveling within a culture you understand is one thing, being a single Westerner woman in bumfuckistan is another.

>I’m experienced traveller


What does that even mean in the context of the modern world??? Are you adept at sniffing animal droppings to determine their age and at reading the stars? You skin rabbits inna woods fam?

How is your experience in packing your bags and handling paperwork going to help you if someone decides that your garb or demeanor puts you outside of societal norms and drags you off? In the Middle East it isn't just lul randumb psychos and frustrated tards you have to worry about.

I sure hope you're boasting about your all inclusive hotel stay where there's a wrangler near by and not actual single person backpacking.

No. 465410

>>465317
This is an unpopular opinion here but unisex toilets in 18+ venues are no big deal and it's not the hill that gender criticism should die on. Many clubs I go to have had "toilets with urinals" and "toilets with no urinals" now for years and it's not the end of the world. You're sharing the sinks and mirror, not your cubicle or a shower, it's no different than having to queue in line with men at a supermarket.

I'm not saying that predators would never find a way to take advantage of unisex toilets but just that the same predators wouldn't be stopped by a little sign to begin with.

No. 465428

>>465410
>I'm not saying that predators would never find a way to take advantage of unisex toilets but just that the same predators wouldn't be stopped by a little sign to begin with.

This is pretty shortsighted, anon. A lot of predators don't premeditate their plans, they go spur of the moment based on access and plausible deniability.

Let's say a guy corners me in a toilet and assaults me. The only witness is someone (or a camera) outside who saw us both leave. Obviously there are no cameras in the toilet itself.

If the toilets are sorted by sex then I have a very obvious strength to my argument: The man wasn't meant to be in that toilet in the first place.

If the toilets are gender-neutral then it becomes he said/she said. Congrats, you just gave men a secluded, security-less place to assault women with plausible deniability.

No. 465432

>>465378
I'm sorry but why would you ever go to a country famous for killing women on the spot because sharia laws? it's the most anti women place in the world. i imagine you could go to japan or south korea with little issues as a woman, but why the middle east? Sorry, but i dont get it.

No. 465435

>>465410
I like being separated because the last place a woman needs a man in her toilet is when she is slightly tipsy or drunk. women dont have safe spaces anymore thanks to tumblrinas and i'm sick of it.

at least most clubs i've been to have one room/one stall, so it's safer for women in general.

No. 465441

>>465239
I bought the game and it genuinely seems cute and fun. So thanks for the recommend!

No. 465443

>>465402
It means common sense. Keep your belongings near you and don't look too lost.

>>465432
>why would you ever go to a country famous for killing women on the spot because sharia laws

I visited at Israel/Palestine. It's not like a whole Middle East is under strict sharia law. There is many different sides of Middle East. But that's not the point.
I'm not going to start debating about arabic culture.

I was only referencing my last trip because I wanted to point out that I have positive experiences as a young woman traveling single.

No. 465456

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>>465443

> It means common sense. Keep your belongings near you and don't look too lost.


I'm sure you'd blend into the background in Northern Sudan or w/e. Like well traveled lvl 999 ninja in 200$ shoes.

>I wuz in the Middle East

>Actually it was just the New Yorkers' police state

>But that's not the point.

I'm not going to start debating about arabic culture.

That IS the point. What do you think people were thinking about? The differences in Earth's magnetic field???

> I was only referencing my last trip because I wanted to point out that I have positive experiences as a young woman traveling single.


In a militarized police state, sure.

No. 465498

>>465441
Also buying it! I love supporting female creators, even more so when it'll piss the troon army off.

No. 465503

>>465117
Sorry about your husband anon, that sounds terrible. I think most people know men can also experience sexual violence, it's just rarer. In the end of the day it's not a competition, people who have been hurt should be helped, that's all there is to it.

No. 465504

>>465262
What the fuck is wrong with Canada?

No. 465505

>>465306
It's a result of male socialization in a lot of families and parts of society. Couple that with mental illness and porn sickness and you get a buffet of fucked up.

No. 465506

>>465410
Pretty much my opinion, I don't know what the deal is with all these people having an issue with unisex toilets, they are pretty common where I live and they are not an issue? It's not like you don't have cubicles. My country does not really like urinals though, so that's a big reason, obviously would not like to see random penises.

No. 465507

Does anyone notice internet scrotes bombard girls with compliments (if they aren't literal sex workers or neckbeard panderers) if they perceive said girls personality as 'chill' and 'calm'? Seriously click on any Youtube video where a calm girl who talks in a low, chill voice doing any activity and you see likely the same misogynistic TRA/MRA/incel trolls saying how beautiful she is just for existing, even if that girls' look (which tends to be the case) is pretty much on the average side. God forbid if a woman shows any personality other than that though.

Also, what's funny it shows how scrotes are so chained to women, they insist that we get desperate and angry without them but they go on full blown simp mode as long as one either has or is playing the role of a delicate flower with a nurturing motherly or daughterly (yuck) vibe.

No. 465509

>>465456
I don't care about Middle Eastern cultures at all, but like are you the same person who recommended Japan and South Korea? Japan has big issues with pedophilia and South Korea has extremely high and oppressive beauty standards for the women to conform to. Both are pretty misogynist albeit one more violent (depending on the region, tho) by far than the other. However Middle Eastern and North African architecture and landscape is simply more delightful and appealing than Japanese and South Korean architecture and landscape in my opinion.

No. 465510

>>465508
NTA but
>How dare you suggest me far safer alternatives?

No. 465511

>>465510
I'm not that anon and we don't even have the same typing style,

but South Korea and Japan are on two different spheres than the Middle East, also obviously leaning with the weaboo/koreaboo theme imageboards have I honestly couldn't care less about.

There ARE safer places in the Middle East and North Africa sphere, where anon doesn't have to worry about their head being chopped off or whatever, or facing racial fetishisation whatever was the point of the other anon.

Also we all know by 'Western' woman this person means white and highly likely is not concerned with African/Asian/Latino/multiracial/ect women visiting these countries because they don't even cross their mind in their tunnel vision when they piss their pants about the idea of a lone Western woman traveling the Middle East.

No. 465513

>>465509

>but like are you the same person who recommended Japan and South Korea?


No, didn't read this thread.

>Japan has big issues with pedophilia


Not really relevant for adults backpacking alone. Also are there even solid stats or is it all reaching?

>and South Korea has extremely high and oppressive beauty standards for the women to conform to


Thats one hardcore 1st world problem.

>However Middle Eastern and North African architecture


Kitschy ornamentation and match boxes with onions on top. None of that wards off assault, time to grow up.

No. 465516

>>465511
>Also we all know by 'Western' woman this person means white and highly likely is not concerned with African/Asian/Latino/multiracial/ect women visiting these countries because they don't even cross their mind in their tunnel vision when they piss their pants about the idea of a lone Western woman traveling the Middle East.

Well, it's these women that the men in those areas fetishize, I think it's reasonable to warn them against it.

No. 465518

>>465513
So are you gonna pretend Japan doesn't? The legal age of consent for years was 13, but I guess it was just false reality.

So extreme conformist beauty standards doesn't matter for women? Lol okay. I guess shit only matters if it's physically threatening or violent, which is very non Western of you to think like that btw.

"Time to grow up" yet all you did was sound like you were preaching to people and lowkey mocking them for their backpacking choices, rather than having any real kind of concern or power to your words smh!


>>465516
Thats what you think, they don't only fetishize white women as what white western women like to tell themselves and pretend is the reality because they simply don't care about other races and project their feminism is inclusive, the sexual abuse of African and Asian maids in the UAE and KSA is very high, and frankly a lot of the Middle East has history with African female slaves becoming mongrelized through interracial raping and sex slavery over the centuries which effected perception of that race. The truth is more so I can't take it seriously when a Western woman who thinks only white people can be Westerners despite America having a multiracial segment for years says this shit.

No. 465519

>>465518
*for centuries

No. 465522

>>465509

Japan and Korea are far safer for lone female travelers though. They both have issues with sex trafficking of South East Asian and European women, but it's extremely rare it's a traveling woman, it's more often women living in poverty who are smuggled across the border.

The Middle East is a big place so it's nonsensical to generalize, but there are parts of it that are extremely ill-advised for a solo Western woman to travel to. Saudi Arabia is the obvious one, but most people would also warn you against Iran and Sudan. Israel is fine, you're unlikely to have any particular issues there. Lebanon is also probably fine provided you take the usual safety precautions you have to take as a woman anywhere else.

No. 465525

>>465518
What do those things about Japan and Korea have anything to do with adult chick traveling alone?

No. 465526

>>465525
Nothing. It's just a crazy bitch

No. 465528

>>465522

But someone who wants to travel to the Middle East likely does not want to go to a place very geographically and culturally different like S. Korea or Japan, or at least are not going to get that hole filled with those countries. Yes it's true the Middle East can't be generalized and some places are safe which makes this pretty dumb, to begin with imo.

>>465525
And what does beheading and getting raped have to do with countries like Israel/Palestine?

>>465526
Oooh very feminist of you. You must be the same person who wished rape on your friend for wanting to backpack alone, right?

No. 465529

>>465518
I see your point about non white women and their history with that area, but
>I can't take it seriously when a Western woman who thinks only white people can be Westerners despite America having a multiracial segment for years says this shit.

Westerner does not simply mean living in the West, it also means being ethinically European. African Americans are not Westerners, they live in the west.

No. 465530

>>465528
Are you seriously trying to argue that overly strict beauty standards are as potentially damaging to female tourists as rape and murder? I'd rather have my appearance judged and not be raped, thanks.

No. 465531

>>465529
Okay, so what are African Americans then, Easterners? They have as much history with North America as White Americans do so this really doesn't make sense.

No. 465533

>>465530
No, but the person obviously contested it like it was a safe utopia in response to that person traveling Israel/Palestine which are relatively safe for women places in the Middle East compared to another like Iraq (outside of Kurdistan) or KSA.

Besides, being a woman is more than being physically threatened and violated, there's more sociological and emotional/psychological factors to that, however in typical lolcow fashion you're going to run away with something so you can pretend you won an online argument.

No. 465535

>>465531
Well, they are a racial minority living in the West. The group Westerners is as much cultural as ethnic. They have the cultural component, but not the racial one. I am not trying to insult anyone btw, just saying how I think most people view the term Westerner.

No. 465536

>>465535
I don't think it's an insult for clearing things up, thank you.

No. 465537

>>465511

>Also we all know by 'Western' woman this person means white and highly likely is not concerned with African/Asian/Latino/multiracial/ect women visiting these countries because they don't even cross their mind in their tunnel vision when they piss their pants about the idea of a lone Western woman traveling the Middle East.


I mean what I say, you are both blatantly Western and divorced from reality. I wouldn't expect a non-East Asian or an African woman to be as clueless as you.

Keep being "defiant and brave" and pretend to be a comic book superhero coming into a whole country that will chew you up, I'm not going to pour over posts to change your minds. Arabs assault male construction workers in Europe for working shirtless in the heat but you with your zero knowledge of custom and local morality are safe in Yemen strolling down the street in rich gaudy people clothes, okay sure.

>>465518

>So are you gonna pretend Japan doesn't?


lol Come on, I can't really prove a negative. Australians are notorious wombat sodomizers, prove me wrong.

I see a lot of people lately accusing Japs of cooking statistics. Is there evidence or is it just rage against a civilization of obscene perverts that somehow maintain order?

>>465528

>But someone who wants to travel to the Middle East likely does not want to go to a place very geographically and culturally different like S. Korea or Japan, or at least are not going to get that hole


Getting your hole filled is something I'm trying to avoid right now. Listen, there's a hierarchy of goals. Not getting raped in half or lynched on the dl should be way up there. If you want to go somewhere you can hire a solid agency or go in a group.

>Yes it's true the Middle East can't be generalized and some places are safe which makes this pretty dumb, to begin with imo.


Sure. Peculiar places like Israel (colonial state) or Dubai (investor chasing trade hub) where both government forces and hired thugs keep the "local attractions" at bay. None of the back alleys and heartlands of the normal countries are safe. Tourists are herded in those places and for a good reason.

>>465529

I actually also meant Afro-Americans. You think there's a cultural rift between whites and blacks in US, its funny, blacks are just urban rednecks.

A loud, unveiled woman with foreign features, in colorful clothing revealing her calves/shoulders/whatever, strolling down a Middle Eastern street is rolling dice with Darwin.

No. 465538

>>464679
Since the beginning. You cannot be born into the wrong body. it isn't an opinion it's science AND biology. there's no way to feel like a woman, or be a woman. you either are born a woman (with XX) or not. The end of story. Also, i realized men always want to be in control and this is just another way to trap and control women. I feel really angry towards women who are TRAs especially.

No. 465539

>>465096
>lesbian is raped and enjoys it

disgusting. this is a straight man's fetish. a porn addict. I hate tr00ns so much

No. 465540

>>465537
>You think there's a cultural rift between whites and blacks in US, its funny, blacks are just urban rednecks
I don't anon, you can see my posts above, I was objecting to the term Western used, since there is also an ethnic component in it.

No. 465542

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/25/travel/solo-female-travel.html

>“We have evidence that shows that women face risks that men don’t face in public spaces, at home, wherever they may be,” said Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka, executive director of UN Women, an organization that promotes female equality. Increasingly, “wherever they may be” includes alone in foreign countries. But she said that violence against female tourists was a thread in the broader fabric of violence against women around the world. And violent episodes are just as likely to occur, experts note, in rich Western nations such as France, Italy and Germany as in the developing world.


>“The root cause of this kind of violence against women in communities and in public and private spaces has a lot of do with the underlying gender stereotypes, social norms, entitlement and patriarchy,” Ms. Mlambo-Ngcuka said.


Tbh it isn't safe anywhere for women.

No. 465543

>>465540

West is a(n incorrect identification of a) civilization, numbnuts. There's a bunch of you thats probably banana Asians/etc. who think they're super "ethnic" and uncritically pro-whatever you're from but your mentality is completely Western. Your ethnic identity alone makes you about as non-Western as any label that you think is super important in your narrow cultural context.

There's a yawning chasm between all of your shit and another civilization. Some people live in legit diasporas, I very much doubt its any of the people in this thread though.

No. 465544

>>465537

>I mean what I say, you are both blatantly Western and divorced from reality. I wouldn't expect a non-East Asian or an African woman to be as clueless as you. >

Keep being "defiant and brave" and pretend to be a comic book superhero coming into a whole country that will chew you up, I'm not going to pour over posts to change your minds. Arabs assault male construction workers in Europe for working shirtless in the heat but you with your zero knowledge of custom and local morality are safe in Yemen strolling down the street in rich gaudy people clothes, okay sure.

Most of your comment is projecting, you don't want to have a discussion, you want to attack so you're making up a narrative and saying bullshit I didn't say yet you're convinced because how dare I be a woman and have a different opinion than you.

I never said MENA was "safe" for women or whatever that strange shit you're making up to again, go on keep on making the opposing side of your argument look cartoonish in comparison because you're stuck in the "NPC"-esque black and white tandem of imageboard discussions instead of actually reading my words and seeing what I actually think and say. But yeah.. memes :DDD


>lol Come on, I can't really prove a negative. Australians are notorious wombat sodomizers, prove me wrong.

>I see a lot of people lately accusing Japs of cooking statistics. Is there evidence or is it just rage against a civilization of obscene perverts that somehow maintain order?

I also didn't accuse anything of "cooking statistics", and you're also being intellectually dishonest with that statement about the Australians and you know it. You are not being sincere in what you're saying so how can I share that energy with you?

>Sure. Peculiar places like Israel (colonial state) or Dubai (investor chasing trade hub) where both government forces and hired thugs keep the "local attractions" at bay. None of the back alleys and heartlands of the normal countries are safe. Tourists are herded in those places and for a good reason.


Sounds like that's a you problem. If those places are colonial state and investor chasing trade hub let a woman enjoy those places anyway if it's not gonna get her killed. Nobody pretended otherwise than other places in Middle East are dangerous and risky as hell.

>I actually also meant Afro-Americans. You think there's a cultural rift between whites and blacks in US, its funny, blacks are just urban rednecks. A loud, unveiled woman with foreign features, in colorful clothing revealing her calves/shoulders/whatever, strolling down a Middle Eastern street is rolling dice with Darwin.


The fact I got antsy about the Western part would prove to you that I don't see a major cultural rift between white and black americans, lol, considering most people who DO say western are referring to something in particular.

No. 465545

>>465542
>And violent episodes are just as likely to occur, experts note, in rich Western nations such as France, Italy and Germany as in the developing world.
Complete bullshit, violence rates are massively different from country to country.

>>465543
Not sure what you are trying to say here, you do realise the Western civilization was created by Europeans yes? It's the reason it has an ethnic component to begin with, same as Easterners.

No. 465555

>>465544

>Sounds like that's a you problem. If those places are colonial state and investor chasing trade hub let a woman enjoy those places anyway if it's not gonna get her killed. Nobody pretended otherwise than other places in Middle East are dangerous and risky as hell.


After all that noise you essentially agree. Middle East is dangerous as fuck, thats settled. Visit the police state to your heart's content, just don't say visiting "Middle East" alone is something you ought to be doing or I'll dare to disagree.

>I also didn't accuse anything of "cooking statistics", and you're also being intellectually dishonest with that statement about the Australians and you know it. You are not being sincere in what you're saying so how can I share that energy with you?


You talk like a crazy crystal wielding hippie lady. Next thing its gonna be about "your truths"? No, I seriously can't refer to anything about Japan being dangerous to children or whatever. Never heard about it except people w/o receipts suggesting Japan is hiding evidence. I think a lot of people are disturbed by their very lax law and that alone could be the source of the conviction. Nothing I observe about that numerically large society suggests mass rape or anything of the like.

>considering most people who DO say western are referring to something in particular.


I see it used by people referring several continents' worth of countries.

>>465545

>Not sure what you are trying to say here, you do realise the Western civilization was created by Europeans yes?


A Westerner will behave in the same universalistic colonial-style liberal way regardless of race: they will assume everyone is just a more backwards version of themselves and they'll inevitably fallow the same tracks, towards "the right side of history" - thats the point-relevant bit I'm trying to stress. That makes people blind and deaf.

There are different value structures and ideas that build up a civilization. In Islam you're for example not fully responsible for your actions. If someone "tempts" you they're at least partly to blame, individual action is more like a small wave in the communal pond between people floating in it than being emitted by a single actor and will is a fickle concept.

European Christianity when it was weak and dependent on Roman popular opinion absorbed a lot of pagan ideas like stoicism (everyone is responsible for their thoughts etc.) into it's theology so it turned out differently in that regard.

Islam initially was even bolder about transmitting old ideas (it took over more urban centers, with less migratory waves smashing into them, also Western Rome was administratively fucked by Byzantium's demands) but in the end Mu'tazila school got squashed in reaction to its teachings in combination with despotic rule (also Islamic scripture seems inherently more anti-causality, but I'm not learned in it so thats a 2nd hand opinion).

These are huge historical shifts that direct billions of people into different, pervasive modes of reasoning.

No. 465556

>>465544

>Sounds like that's a you problem. If those places are colonial state and investor chasing trade hub let a woman enjoy those places anyway if it's not gonna get her killed. Nobody pretended otherwise than other places in Middle East are dangerous and risky as hell.


After all that noise you essentially agree. Middle East is dangerous as fuck, thats settled. Visit the police state to your heart's content, just don't say visiting "Middle East" alone is something you ought to be doing or I'll dare to disagree.

>I also didn't accuse anything of "cooking statistics", and you're also being intellectually dishonest with that statement about the Australians and you know it. You are not being sincere in what you're saying so how can I share that energy with you?


You talk like a crazy crystal wielding hippie lady. Next thing its gonna be about "your truths"? No, I seriously can't refer to anything about Japan being dangerous to children or whatever. Never heard about it except people w/o receipts suggesting Japan is hiding evidence. I think a lot of people are disturbed by their very lax law and that alone could be the source of the conviction. Nothing I observe about that numerically large society suggests mass rape or anything of the like.

>considering most people who DO say western are referring to something in particular.


I see it used by people referring several continents' worth of countries.

>>465545

>Not sure what you are trying to say here, you do realise the Western civilization was created by Europeans yes?


A Westerner will behave in the same universalistic colonial-style liberal way regardless of race: they will assume everyone is just a more backwards version of themselves and they'll inevitably fallow the same tracks, towards "the right side of history" - thats the point-relevant bit I'm trying to stress. That makes people blind and deaf.

There are different value structures and ideas that build up a civilization. In Islam you're for example not fully responsible for your actions. If someone "tempts" you they're at least partly to blame, individual action is more like a small wave in the communal pond between people floating in it than being emitted by a single actor and will is a fickle concept.

European Christianity when it was weak and dependent on Roman popular opinion absorbed a lot of pagan ideas like stoicism (everyone is responsible for their thoughts etc.) into it's theology so it turned out differently in that regard.

Islam initially was even bolder about transmitting old ideas (it took over more urban centers, with less migratory waves smashing into them, also Western Rome was administratively fucked by Byzantium's demands) but in the end Mu'tazila school got squashed in reaction to its teachings in combination with despotic rule (also Islamic scripture seems inherently more anti-causality, but I'm not learned in it so thats a 2nd hand opinion).

These are huge historical shifts that direct billions of people into different, pervasive modes of reasoning.

No. 465564

>>465555
>A Westerner will behave in the same universalistic colonial-style liberal way regardless of race: they will assume everyone is just a more backwards version of themselves and they'll inevitably fallow the same tracks, towards "the right side of history"

Ah, I see, yes, that is quite true for most of the people with a Western culture, you are quite right. Also I agree with the rest of your post, thanks for contributing,

No. 465567

>>465555
>After all that noise you essentially agree. Middle East is dangerous as fuck, thats settled. Visit the police state to your heart's content, just don't say visiting "Middle East" alone is something you ought to be doing or I'll dare to disagree.


There was no "noise", smartass. I made that clear in my first post off the jump, if you didn't see that it's cause of your brain fungus. I also was not the original poster that anons originally tacked on.. so yet again, it's a negative for you. Me re-iterating for you to understand meant you had to read it a third time to get it.

>You talk like a crazy crystal wielding hippie lady. Next thing its gonna be about "your truths"? No, I seriously can't refer to anything about Japan being dangerous to children or whatever. Never heard about it except people w/o receipts suggesting Japan is hiding evidence. I think a lot of people are disturbed by their very lax law and that alone could be the source of the conviction. Nothing I observe about that numerically large society suggests mass rape or anything of the like.


For someone who's so confident to call a group "urban rednecks" you sure don't catch some of their dialect and colloquialisms at all, lol. I guess if I use a little more abstract language, or else, it means I'm a Crazy New Ager or whatever other projection you wanna make up.

No. 465574

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>>465566

>There was no "noise", smartass


You make a lot of initial noise in your former post w/o saying anything concrete.

>For someone who's so confident to call a group "urban rednecks"


Ya'll the same. lul

>you sure don't catch some of their dialect and colloquialisms at all, lol.


Oh gee, I guess I'll have to brush up on twitter valley girled ebonics right after you learn my whole 7+1 case language. Welcome to the world.

>I guess if I use a little more abstract language, or else, it means I'm a Crazy New Ager or whatever other projection you wanna make up.


I think ameri-black Internet idea bag is influenced by bunch of bad nu-sophist concepts that come from/with New Age and the general post-objectivity sentiment and and you don't even notice because it comes wrapped in a napkin from a soul food joint so it must be from within the community. Already dropped the "my truth" bit, didn't I?

Yo want me to racialise that bit about hippie lady for your reading pleasure? Hell, I can do that, you'll be pretty incensed by the end though.

No. 465575

>>465410
The best way to deal with this bullshit is to just have individual single bathrooms, with doors that lock and tell you if it's occupied. That's how the Alamo Drafthouse in my area does it.

No. 465578

>>465574
>You make a lot of initial noise in your former post w/o saying anything concrete.

Most of your post was sperg tier level of projecting and attacking points I didn't make i.e strawmanning, so which one is worse really?

>Oh gee, I guess I'll have to brush up on twitter valley girled ebonics right after you learn my whole 7+1 case language. Welcome to the world.


Yes, we can tell your only experiences with people and society is from the internet.



>I think ameri-black Internet idea bag is influenced by bunch of bad nu-sophist concepts that come from/with New Age and the general post-objectivity sentiment and and you don't even notice because it comes wrapped in a napkin from a soul food joint so it must be from within the community. Already dropped the "my truth" bit, didn't I?


But many of those colloquialism you say are "new age" were there before the internet, for reasons I'm not going to explain to you since that's frankly irrelevant and going to derail the conversation to a place this thread doesn't need. Do you really think you know everything because you spent all your time behind a screen?

>Yo want me to racialise that bit about hippie lady for your reading pleasure? Hell, I can do that, you'll be pretty incensed by the end though.



ebin xP

No. 465582

>>465578

>Yes, we can tell your only experiences with people and society is from the internet.

>we

You and the rest of the Bureau of Peer Pressure?

>But many of those colloquialism you say are "new age" were there before the internet


Well, the hippie movement and all that is also pretty old. Initial New Age height in US is 19th century, right? You're a small part of the American cultural circle.

>Do you really think you know everything because you spent all your time behind a screen?


Yes, I'm a fat, cheeto encrusted revenge of the nerds cliché waiting all my trash wading, pocket eating, screen viewing life to be called out by you specifically. Obviously. Your eagle eyes do not fail you. :^)

>ebin xP


smdh @ that ignant comment

No. 465587

>>465582
>You and the rest of the Bureau of Peer Pressure?
Nah just lurkers who wanna read Gender Crit/Pinkpill shit instead of you sperging at imaginary targets

>Well, the hippie movement and all that is also pretty old. Initial New Age height in US is 19th century, right? You're a small part of the American cultural circle.


Still not quite right, more related to various practices of African spirituality + off color branches of Christianity than Aleister Crowley / theosphist strain of New Ageism.

>Yes, I'm a fat, cheeto encrusted revenge of the nerds cliché waiting all my trash wading, pocket eating, screen viewing life to be called out by you specifically. Obviously. Your eagle eyes do not fail you. :^)



You're definitely some kind of autist though.

>smdh @ that ignant comment


gotem! XD
Plz wrap this up already.

No. 465595

>>465587

>Still not quite right, more related to various practices of African spirituality + off color branches of Christianity than Aleister Crowley / theosphist strain of New Ageism.


doubt.exe Its a nice narrative to have, but Occam's razor. Might as well claim ancient Black Hebrew influences.

>You're definitely some kind of autist though.


Learn my native language, I bet I'll sound way less awkward 12 years from now when you do, ya dummy. I tailor my output to your me-tarzan-u-Jane anglo babble anyway, appreciate it at least a little bit.

>Plz wrap this up already.


Hmm? I'm enjoying myself, sounds like a You problem.

No. 465598

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>>465595

Wait, so you're not American yet you're trying to say you know more about a culture than someone who's actually of this culture? Hmmm, so why is this level of entitlement only acceptable when non-Americans do it to Americans?


>Learn my native language, I bet I'll sound way less awkward 12 years from now when you do, ya dummy. I tailor my output to your me-tarzan-u-Jane anglo babble anyway, appreciate it at least a little bit.



Nah.. I'm not calling you autistic because you simply sound "awkward", lmao

No. 465600

>>465598

>Wait, so you're not American


Whoahhh, must be the 1st post you read through.

>Hmmm, so why is this level of entitlement only acceptable when non-Americans do it to Americans?


Cuz Mericans r dumm

Actually because tall tales about distant connections between your truth gurl and African animism require tangible evidence. Also I do some comparative culture studies on my spare time, so I know a bunch of obscure historical shit. tl;dr I r smort, you'z dumm.

I'd love to prod you some more, you stuffy ol bag but I just recalled this thread has a subject so yeah, bye. hugs n kisses

No. 465605

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>>465600
>Cuz Mericans r dumm

>Actually because tall tales about distant connections between your truth gurl and African animism require tangible evidence. Also I do some comparative culture studies on my spare time, so I know a bunch of obscure historical shit. tl;dr I r smort, you'z dumm.


As I said, you're autistic.

>I'd love to prod you some more, you stuffy ol bag but I just recalled this thread has a subject so yeah, bye. hugs n kisses



You're a dime a dozen internet sperg to me but glad you found me interesting enough. Stay on topic next time!

No. 465606

>>465605

Nay, the last word shall be mine, scoundrel

Borborygm

No. 465607

>>465606
You unironically remind me of an autistic Serbian male sperg I used to be in contact with tbh.

No. 465608

Maybe both of you should be nuked for autism because you’re both screeching barely comprehensible irrelevant shit because you’re emotionally invested in an internet argument. Every time a couple of autistic men get loose in here they do this shit.

No. 465610

>>465607

>leeching attention off of some rando autists from across the world


ooooh, somebody's desperate. Also that bit about being interesting. Thats a lot of flattery to aim at yourself. lel

>>465608

She didn't respect the borborygm, that was a bow to tie it up. But bih too thirsty for replies. I'm closing the tab, promise

No. 465613

>>465608
Ngl, I was autistic for entertaining them but it's obvious they're a scrote especially how they not so subtly added the leeching attention line for knowing a guy.

I'll stop.

No. 465620

>>465613
>>465610

You boys have both said that multiple times.
We know you aren’t going anywhere until you convince yourself you won by posting longer word salad dribble than the other guy. Hell, one of you is almost definitely the corrective rape guy from the other day who’s mad his friend is backpacking and not begging for his approval.

No. 465636

>>465264
What i hate is that when women voice their opinion against troons there is a horde of troons and their TRA whiteknights advocating for them to cut the poor woman's head, yet when a man does the same thing men can't help but to take up for their fellow man, and also other women but that's beside the point, and say "LOL U ARE ANGRY", basically drowning out a little bit of the rabid troons that attack the guy. Women don't even get that privilege, not even from those conservative guys and gals who think being a tranny is a mental illness. It fucking sucks.

No. 465639

>>465632
Called it.
Two more autistic posts justifying your autism to yourself and you’ll get there.

No. 465686

I think it's pretty funny how incels like to remind other men of how worthless they are as a gender.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/d8r3df/do_you_think_nature_will_be_kind_to_us_at_some/?st=k0yrxwv2&sh=21f1cd03

No. 465729

my friend of many years who trooned out is going further and further down the agp rabbit hole, now he's reached the "i have female orgasms now" stage. i can't stand him and his bimbofication larp.

No. 465738

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>>463558

GC OP anon here. I'll post the updated OP in the next thread. Thanks for reposting.

I had hoped to honor Magdalen by using this pic for the next GC OP.

I'm not bitter. And that's dust in my eye.

https://www.picdeer.co/user/arakoh_koradfem

No. 465740

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No. 465742

>>465729
Why wouldn’t you want your friend to have more intense orgasms? Do you think that it’s just roleplaying and can’t be actually your friend’s genuine experience? What’s wrong with your friend referring to the better type of orgasm as “female orgasms”?

No. 465748

>>465746
Both TiMs and TiFs have sissyfication/bimbofication/forced impregnation fetishes, it seems. At least in TiFs it shows that they do imagine themselves as women even in their fantasies but misogyny pushes them to pretend they're men. TiMs are just gross autogynephiles.

No. 465752

it never ceases to amaze me how fucking pissy guys get when anyone criticizes porn

woman: i think porn is bad. it appears to have addictive qualities and causes men to become dependent on increasingly violent and detached stimuli to get off. also it involves the trafficking and coercion of young women and girls and drug abuse, rape, STDs, and violence are rampant within the industry.

man: what the FUCK!?? it is my GOD GIVEN RIGHT to watch a woman get gang banged and bukkaked by 10 men while strung out on benzos. and NO i am NOT addicted to it i ONLY have to watch it EVERY DAY or i feel intensely agitated. and porn does NOT give me unrealistic expectations of women. seriously all i want is a perpetually underage looking virgin that fucks like a porn star and has absolutely no body hair or visible labia or pores or cellulite and orgasms 50 times in a row when i shove my unlubed dick in her ass

irredeemable cumbrains, the lot of them.

No. 465756

>friend keeps talking about trans topics to me and sending me opinion pieces written by trans people
>clearly fishing for some kind of reaction but I don't know what kind
Is she trying to see if I'm a fellow terve or is she trying to reveal me as a heretic

No. 465798

>>465742
What the hell are you talking about? NTA but the issue she has is that obviously men can not have female orgasms? You do realise we have different genitals right? Mutilating your penis and testicles and turning them inside out does not give you female genitals, it just makes your male ones really really fucked up. It's impossible for a man to have a female orgasm, unless you mean a prostatic one, which sure is the kind that is similar to a female one, but you don't need to mutilate yourself to achieve that.

No. 465802

>>465742
>>465798

What's with the weirdos (obviously males) in this thread after the merge happened? See it more on the site in general too..

No. 465803

>>465752
lmao so true

No. 465812

>>465802
i honestly hate this merge. I feel like the man hate got drowned out by transgender topics. I just miss the old thread. sage for blogposting lol

No. 465822

>>465812
Trannies are men.

No. 465824

>>465822

But Ftm trannies are not men

No. 465825

>>465824
Sure, but they want to be one, which makes them pretty fucked up as well.

No. 465830

I remember a year or so after my mom passed away, i had come home from school and as soon as I stepped foot inside my dad comes up to me and says "i want to show you something" kind of in an excited way so i was like "okay." Tell me why this man took me into the bathroom, lifted up the toilet seat and showed me a toilet that had bloody tissues in it. I was pissed because a. why the fuck was he excited to show me this and b. i fucking hate looking at blood especially if its not mine. So before i could even react he tells me to to tell my sister to clean up after herself its disgusting and gross. he didnt even flush the toilet I eventually had to. I want to let you know that my sister was around 14 or 15 at this time so she was still trying to handle her period and she probably just forgot to flush the toilet which happens to everyone!! But the fact that he saw it left it there and decided the best way to teach her a lesson was to shame her by leaving it there. Meanwhile he can take dumps all day long and leave skid marks in the toilet but thats no big deal. It upsets me still even though this happened years ago because instead of teaching her or whatever he shamed her! I think he even took a pic and sent it to her. Ugh i really hate men!!

No. 465836

>>465824
TBF even though criticism of FTMs does come up I think the GC and anti-TRA discussion was mostly against MTFs and at least somewhat more sympathetic to FTMs. A lot of radfems say they feel for the struggles of FTMs and aren't actually TERFs for that reason, since all females are welcome in their activism. That said I completely agree the merge does mess with the ability of anons to productively discuss the specific things they wanted to especially since it's not like we all browsed all of the threads that got merged.

No. 465837

>>465830
>Tell me why this man took me into the bathroom
Because your mom made a terrible choice in spouse?

No. 465840

>>465742
Kys retard scrotch your baiting is weak

No. 465841

>>465837
she did but she is also dead so what is your point? Tons of women unfortunately marry aint shit men and then are trapped in that relationship. I only brought up that she passed to show that we no longer had a maternal figure in our life which my young naive self assumed that that meant my father would step up to the plate. But he didnt.

No. 465842

>>465830
Your dad sounds like an asshole, I hate it when men shame women for their natural functions such as periods but expect us to be obsessed with their cumbraining.

Speaking of cumbrain, it's like a woman can't do anything without being extremely sexualized, I was watching a youtube video of a woman eating food and taking a large bite of it and here come the cumbrains. Jfc, porn ruined a generation.

>>465841
Anon is obviously a scrote, just like that anon yesterday too. Ignore that idiot.

No. 465843

>>465812
I also feel like moderation has fucked up because there's no (begone scrote) redtext anymore but plenty enough for "blogposting" or whoever the mods have an obvious hateboner for, and also the fact there's obvious scrotes running amok on lolcow and on this thread starting shit with posters and they're not getting the swift ban like they're supposed to.

No. 465844

>>465830
what a sad story, anon. your dad acted like a total bully about something girls already feel ashamed and embarrassed about. that's seriously the type of shit that drives young girls to troon out to escape male ridicule. i hope your sis is okay now.

No. 465846

>>465841
Anon, I asnwered in that way, because my point it's our responsibility to protect our children. The most important decision that we make regarding that is the men we choose to have them with.

>>465842
>You're a scrot
ad hominem, try again

No. 465848

>>465846
BEGONE SCROT
but seriously you sound dumb. Obviously in a perfect world women would be marrying and having babies with only the best of the best. But sadly we live in reality and the reality is that most women who marry and have kids with men do so because they are led to believe that the person they chose to be with IS that perfect suitor. But you will never know how a man will truly act when you add marriage and kids to the situation hell, most women dont know how they will be like when they add marriage and kids to a relationship. Its a gamble that unfortunately a lot of women lose. Its much easier said then done to "choose the perfect man to protect our children." Hopefully if/when you do it yourself your man is incredible eyeroll

No. 465856

>>465830
My dad did a similar thing. I left blood stains on the sheets because I'm a heavy bleeder and no matter how much I try (putting towels and paper tissues underneath) the spill would still happen occasionally.

I remember dealing with these terrible cramps, barely being able to sit up straight and having him lecture me about these blood stains which looking back were just a few drops. He made a much bigger mess with coffee and breakfast on his sheets. It was so humiliating that he did that in front of my brothers.

And yeah, my father would also leave huge skid marks in the toilet and bunch of other nasty surprises but whatever.

sorry for the blogpost, your post just brought back memories

No. 465858

>>465848
Well anon, you are right about most of the things you said, but the fact is that I was answering that anon about why her father subjected her to that treatment. I don't really consider fatherhood an instict like motherhood, it's something men must learn, which is why I put the entirety of protecting a child on the woman. It might be unfair due to how few men are actually of a decent quality, but that doesn't mean we are not in fact the ones responsible for it.

No. 465859

>>465856
Also, I'm really sorry about your situation. I hope your sister's doing well and that was hopefully the worst your father said/did to both of you.

No. 465860

>>465858
nta but you said it was because her mom made a terrible decision and that anon said that most of the time it's not possible to know until marriage and kids get added to the relationship.

And if you had any women as friends, you would've witnessed that too.

In fact, what made me sure in my choice of not pursuing any romantic relationship with men was that I've seen so many friends getting royally screwed by their husbands after marriage or long time being together. Men despite claiming that women are manipulators and liars, are extremely good at those two in the long run. I've seen the good guys with stellar reputation, nice job, no criminal records etc. turn into abusive monsters.

There's no doubt that some women make terrible dating choices where red flags couldn't be more obvious but to put the entire onus on women for not being psychic is ridiculous.

No. 465862

>>465856
>>465859
Im the anon who posted it. Omg im so sorry this happened to you too. I dont get why men dont understand that periods are fucking traumatizing and disgusting to the women having them especially if the women are teenagers/children ESPECIALLYx2 if the woman in question is your child. It blows my mind. Unfortunately it wasnt the worst thing he put us through but we are both better we are living in our first apartment together! And he is a bum somewhere. So silver linings i guess lol. >>465860 thank you anon for getting it you articulated what i wanted to get across so well!!

No. 465864

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Seriously wtf is wrong with men.

No. 465865

>>465860
I mean, I agree that the great guy can turn into a monster thing happens, but I think you are way overrepresenting it. At least in my anecdotal opinion, there are always red flags that women ignore. Also, I did say I put the onus on women because there is no point putting it into men, since they are not connected to our children like we are. Motherhood is a deep biological instinct, fatherhood is not.

>>465861

No worries anon, disagreeing is part of life. I don't view your position as offensive or anything, just a different logical conclusion.(Do not respond to bait.)

No. 465867

>>465864
Not that I like that media plant kid or consider her as anything but a mouth piece, but yeah, obviously this guy is dumb as rocks. The fact of the matter is that underaged prostitution is rightly illegal and taking the memorized mantras of an autistic 16 year old seriously is stupid. Guess which one is worse.

No. 465869

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The fucking REACH. They literally have nothing real to get her for so now they are making up shit about her being anti-semetic, glad some are not falling for it though.

No. 465871

>>465869
>Pointing out a Jew or Jewish organization does terrible things
>Muh Holocaust
I blame the Germans for this.

No. 465875

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>>465869

>corporations bad, banker bad, corruption bad

>lobby bad
>religion and nepotism bad
> muh elite 1% bad
>Except when the heads of those corporations , financial institutions and lobbys are jewish, come on guys, thats antisemitic, shut it down , they have our best interest in mind

the left is really something

No. 465877

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"Mattel’s first promotional spot for the $29.99 product features a series of kids who go by various pronouns—him, her, them, xem—"

"An 8-year-old who considers himself gender fluid and whose favorite color is black one week, pink the next…"

https://time.com/5684822/mattel-gender-neutral-doll/


"World’s first gender-neutral doll" my ass. Almost all children dolls are gender neutral, as they don't have genitalia, especially older dolls that don't even have secondary characteristics like breasts the way Barbies do. Think of Raggedy Ann. I cut my Barbies hair short and used homemade clothes so I could have boy dolls, because I found Ken and GI Joe's plastic paint for hair ugly, and liked to have the option to style it. Why do kids need a special doll made for every little niche aspect of their personalities? That's what an imagination is for. If I didn't like something about a doll, I painted it, made new clothes for it,etc. I'm not against unique or formless dolls, but making them genderspecial just for politics ruins it. Poor kids.

No. 465878

Is anyone else starting to feel like SWERFs are just made-up boogeymen? I've never met a feminist who rails against sex workers, just the sex trade itself, because of the harm it does to women and girls (and the overall commodification of the female body).
I've never seen a single feminist say "Sex workers aren't allowed in my feminism" or "Women who have had their bodies sold are invalid".
Why are they conflating the women with the prostitution itself, as if it's what they're born to do and all they are or something? Isn't that dishonest, and kind of dehumanizing?
TERFs are actually real (and they're also correct on a fundamental level, no matter how much it triggers TRAs and trannies), but "SWERF" just seems like some bullshit they tacked on to look as if they care about feminism or women in general (they don't).

No. 465879

>>465869
Classic TRAs not having any idea what fascism is. I particularly love them misusing the term against a Jew clarifying what is and isn't antiSemitism. Their response to any thoughtful, nuanced dialogue or any dissenting opinion at all is "SILENCE, fascist!"

No. 465881

>>465878
"SWERFs" are actually the ones who do the most to try to help and protect sex workers. It's absolutely a term made up and enforced by people who want to avoid stopping the issues of sex trafficking, abuse and human rights violations in porn and other sex industries.

No. 465883

>>465877
>Why do kids need a special doll made for every little niche aspect of their personalities?
You know why. Money and virtue signaling.
Mattel has been really struggling for last few years, Barbie is not selling as well as she used to. That is why they have finally caved in and started selling body varied dolls (which I love, tbh) and now they are doing this shit.

No. 465886

>>465883
>Money
But this just seems like a bad business model, even as an outsider with no toy production experience.

There are only so many people in the world who identify with the trans community, and within them, the appearance and personalities of these people vary widely. I don't look like any of the dolls they've created, and none would appeal to me except maybe the doll in the right in my OP image (they made a lot more than those two) because it's cute.

It costs a lot of money to produce varied dolls; you have to create completely different molds, have a separate assembly line, and then enforce the safety standards of each unique doll. My dad's in the can making business, and he tells me unique "one off" holiday or promo cans just kill his factory because the standards each design is held to, is changed: different formulas for how the paint is created, mixed, applied, dried, etc. Different protection gear the crew has to wear due to chemicals in the paint during mixing (swap paint for plastics in doll production).

No. 465887

>>465886

Haven't a lot of these woke campaigns bombed? lie the razors one and the shoes one, it is also not proving very effective with comic books, they are generating more rejection towards those social justice causes and lower sales. Even liberal people know its gimmicky and don't like shallow pandering.

No. 465889

>>465878
>Is anyone else starting to feel like SWERFs are just made-up boogeymen?
Yes, because the people I have seen labeled this are women who have the audacity to talk about when they were prostituted.
Was particulary heartbreaking to hear a woman who was 5yrs old when she was sold into prostitution be shouted down by apparently pro-"sex work" activists.

Lets be honest, the people who really hate "sex workers" are the men who use them, but these activists will never say it, because they never name the real problem.

No. 465891

>>465887
It's really disappointing, because it could be a good cause if done well. The problem is making something for the sake of making it. A thought out character who happens to be gay, an ethnic or racial minority can be great change of pace.

People relate to a human emotional experience above everything else, if you neglect representing the struggles we all face as people, you lose both your old fan base that fell in love with your thought out characters, and any new viewers who just feel they're being further marginalized by using their historically discriminated statuses as a cardboard prop to sell a product.

No. 465892

>>465887
Whats the shoe one?

No. 465893

>>465869
I've seen some of them claim that Gender Critical is actually a tactic created to recruit women into the Alt Right, and in a few years all of us will be spouting all of their talking points. These people have zero idea of what they are talking about.

No. 465894


No. 465897

>>465894
it says video unavailable can you describe the wokeness?

No. 465899

>>465897
Not TA, but you gotta right click and watch the vid in another tab. That's just how lolcow is. You'll need to refresh the page.

Summary of the ad if you don't though: Stronk independent woman rhyming poem that just turns into regular spewing at the end.

No. 465900

>>465897

you can clik on it and watch it on youtube. The whole video is basically about a "this yas kween who don't need no man because she woke quit her dumb job because aint no one got time for that, travel the world lol" it has 31k dislikes and every single comment is mocking the hell out of it.

No. 465901

>>465893
Apparently there is direct overlap between GC/Radfems and nazis, of course this is based on absolutely nothing and just another attempt for cis males to discredit women. Incidentally the actual "nazi" group are all male…

No. 465903

>>465894
This was kind of lame, but at least the art was nice.
>all the scrotes mad about this in the comment section
They really are the most privileged group, screeching about a commercial that wasn't even mean to them.

No. 465911

>>465910
This is retarded. There are no radical feminist Nazis and Nazism isn’t even synonymous with authoritarianism.(Reminder to not respond to bait, just report it.)

No. 465916

>>465869
I've seen radfems react to a few different trans deaths and suicides and not once have I ever seen a radfem get excited or happy about it the way troons have about Magdalen.

When Chloe Sagal committed suicide the reaction from GC'ers was "What a tragic way to go, this is sad."

When a guy posted to /r/NeovaginaDisasters about how his trans brother took his own life, the reaction from GC'ers was "You've suffered a terrible loss. I'm sorry for you and your brother's suffering."

When Magdalen died of cancer, the reaction from troons was "Good! I hope it was slow and painful."

Monsters.

No. 465919

>>465916
Well, they are men.

No. 465922

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>>465911

Not to mention that there's barely any actual nazis, its mostly twitter Marxists projecting onto any opposition they encounter. Or that National Socialism isn't even growing out of radically opposite ideas to Communism. Both are socialist and require totalitarian control because they go against the incentive model. Its even more stark with fascism which is only 2 intellectuals removed from Leninism, Mussolini was originally a communist.

>>465910


The "same coin" is just being intellectually lazy and the Nazis are by and large imaginary. No, lolbertarians, constitutionalists or ethno nats are not National Socialists. If you don't like Communism don't play into this false analogy.(Reminder to not respond to bait, just report it.)

No. 465927

Every time I read r/relationships I feel absolutely horrified with how many psychotic men there are who will do a 180 at some point in the relationship. It makes me scared to get involved with guys at all.

No. 465929

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>>465927
When /r/relationships isn't sad it can be pretty funny at times

No. 465933

>>465862
What a great happy ending. Good for you two.

No. 465940

>>465889
SWERF is usually used by (typically middle class) 'happy hooker' types who argue that their experiences are not being listened to when radfems characterise all prostitution as horrific. It's usually only used in combination i.e. SWERFs and TERFs because female sex workers don't have the same levels of entitlement and victim complexes and lack of anything better to do with their time than go on DARVO witchhunts that trannies do

Since this is the radfem thread now, here's an opinion. A close friend works as an escort and her POV really does seem to be ignored by most radfem discourse I read. The discourse makes sense but I also interact regularly with a walking counterexample and it's the only radfem point I'm not 100% sold on

No. 465942

TiF reacting to contrapoints. Oh go her voice

No. 465957

>>465864
His bio says he's a libertarian catholic. No wonder he wants to defend fucking kids.

No. 465965

>>465940
They’re listened to as well, the issue still remains that she is involved in an industry that dehumanises and commodifies women, she herself may be happy but by participating in it she just gives it more strength - I can guarantee that all of those young girls that are trafficked then raped day in and day out aren’t happy, or the young girls that now become camwhores because they keep getting sent the message that it’s ‘empowering’ and then disgusting men begin to harass and stalk them aren’t happy. Just because your friend is happy doesn’t mean it isn’t an evil industry, she is but a drop in the bucket.

No. 465967

>>465927
R/amitheasshole is daily filled up with men doing the same shitty and abusive behaviours to their partners, I used to go there to laugh at the absurdity of people but it’s just depressing at this point.

No. 465969

>>465877
>"An 8-year-old who considers himself gender fluid and whose favorite color is black one week, pink the next…"

So, a normal person. Got it.
>>465878
One of the biggest "SWERFs" I follow is a woman who was a prostitute, of the actual street walker variety. She's working class/poor white, has been abused, the full nine. Luckily she's not part of that shit anymore. If anything, former sex workers make some of the strongest anti-prostitution women, because they know how fucking toxic it really is. The only ones I see defending sex work are privileged girls who webcam or have memed themselves into thinking changing some old mans diaper is "sex positive".

No. 465979

>>465869
I know George Soros is a frequent feature in retarded "evil Jews run the world and seek to dilute the Aryan blood" conspiracies, so I can't blame people for having an instinctive reaction, but… he is legitimately incredibly sketchy for reasons that have nothing to do with his ethnoreligious background and people should be allowed to point it out

No. 465980

>>465967
A lot of posts there and on most of reddit are fake outrage bait posts made to look women bad that fall apart once you take 5 minutes to examine the story they give. Redditors are extremely gullible. And most of the time they are encouraging shitty male behaviour in these stories.

No. 465986

>>465812
Agreed. I hate troons too but honestly I interact with a lot more shitty normal men in my life. I think the circle jerking over 1% of the population is boring.

No. 465987

>>465940
one opinion to discredit the rest, I guess that's all it takes.

for every 1 happy camgirl there are at least 100s of faceless victims who had no real choice.

No. 465996

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>>465965
This. You don't deal with the issues around the subject and help those who've had their lives fucked up by centering the testimonies of the rare privileged people who have good experiences.
Even if they have good experiences, the fact that all it takes is one crazy, shitty dude to take you by surprise, and that many SWs literally talk about physical violence from clients, means that this line of work isn't safe for women or to be encouraged.
I'm so tired of the few "privileged" SWs putting themselves above actual rape and human trafficking victims. Like it or not, pretending there's some magical divide means that traffickers can (and will) entrap women or girls easily with false promises of success and empowerment.
If you sell sex and it hasn't turned out badly for you yet, that's your business, but understand that your experience is not the norm. Stop trying to sanitize the image of this field just because you don't want to feel embarrassed about stating what you do. Your reputation and social capital is not more important than human lives. Stigmatization is not the biggest issue.
If you want it to be normalized, try to work with the people who are against trafficking and exploitation to flush out all the abuse (though I feel like that's futile at this point) instead of trying to silence them as "whorephobic".

No. 466000

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So, I use Mastodon because it has lots of cool intelligent people on there, and I follow a couple of trans people.

One person peak transed me yesterday, by RTing a hundred of their own posts within half an hour, filling my feed with their junk about being "mommy" to their "multiple subs."

I thought they were female due to their username and cartoon profile pic, until they posted about some past drama earlier in the day, and I looked them up and it turns out they are a 2/10 man.

I don't want an ugly man to be my ""mommy"" thanks. The concerning thing was they were posting things like "whenever a girl says she's ugly, she's always cute!" which was predatory in its frequency; implication he is not interested in women without low-confidence.

Anyway, I unfollowed this man who spammed my feed and talked about how much they like girls constantly. This is not the same person, just a random person I saw reposted, but note the irony. TERFs don't want to "debate" you, they just want men out of their bathrooms. And the last line about not wanting to talk to people who believe the opposite of a "scientific" truth is beautiful.

No. 466012

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>>466000
I have to laugh whenever they project their science denial onto GCers because they aren't the ones using pseudoscience and shoddy logic to deny biological sex exists to suit their ideology.

No. 466028

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Warning, do not read this if you are about to eat or have just eaten.

No. 466034

>>466000
>cartoon avatar
That shoulda been a give away. There's some user on twitter who's big in lefty circles who only has a cartoon squirrel avatar and claims to be female but also claims to be too worried about privacy to show a pic or even get on voice chat and I'm calling it now they're a troon.

No. 466040

>>465877
Has any real person ever actually used these OC donut steel pronouns like xem and zir? Only times I've seen them in bios it was from troll parody accounts.

No. 466048

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>>465864
Samefag-so I thought he was trolling because he was one of those edgy twitter commedians well no he is trying to be edgy, because hes a catholic against abortion. Also apparently has a trans friend who wants to fuck corpses so that is on the same level as abortion.

I just, dont know anymore. Funny thing is hes getting roasted on his twitter and has said anyone who was pissed off by his pro kiddy sex ring tweet is mad at his "intellectualism". Seriously go check it out if you want a good laugh.

No. 466049

>>466048
so that is on the same level as abortion according to him that should read.

No. 466059

>>466048
>>465864
With men, everything comes down to their dicks, doesn't it?
It's so pathetic.

No. 466133

>>465965
I mean I get that, that for girls who are trafficked or anyone forced into it against their will it has got to be a living hell. But
>she is involved in an industry that dehumanises and commodifies women
is also a personal attack on her, and that's where the SWERF thing comes from - when sex workers feel personally attacked by radfems.

Men think she's a whore, radfems think she's a 'drop in the ocean' and not worth considering. Is it any wonder people like her would be standoffish to radfems?

No. 466134


No. 466137

>>466133
NTA but there's nothing aggressive about stating the truth, that her continuing to support an industry that traffics, drugs and rapes so many women just because it doesn't hurt her personally is selfish and not feminist. Why are people okay with making the same statements about the meat industry, sweat shop workers and the like, but porn is off-limits?

No. 466144

>>466133
As another anon stated, there is nothing aggressive about that statement nor is it a personal attack. If people view it that way then it’s typically because they know on some level that their behaviour is wrong, similarly to how so many men took #metoo as a personal attack - people don’t like being called out on their poor behaviour

And sorry, but yeah, when someone is an extreme minority (which your friend in this scenario is) then they are indeed but a drop in the ocean. Why is it expected of people to say ‘but NOT ALL prostitution is bad!’ purely because of a handful or prostitutes who have not personally experienced what the majority have in the industry?

No. 466145

>>466137
Marriage is also an institution that oppresses women, should we demonise every woman who marries?

Nothing aggressive at all about calling her selfish.

And I'm not even talking about porn, I would support making porn illegal, I think the aspect of recording the violation leaves the victim open to repeated violations up to infinity not to mention the effect it has on men who watch it.

I'm not talking about that though, it's that whenever even the hypothetical idea of a woman accepting payment comes up people basically overrule it and refuse to even discuss or consider it in the abstract. Which funnily enough is exactly the same way men talk about sex workers but with different language.

My feminism is for women which means I support GC positions but I don't exclude on the basis of how they choose to manage their interactions with men.

I don't see how taking money for going on dates with old men makes her so much worse than women who go on dates with young men and pay half, or who marry and share a house.

No. 466146

>>466144
>If people view it that way then it’s typically because they know on some level that their behaviour is wrong

Nobody's ever been able to explain to me why it's so wrong. Just this inbuilt assumption prostitution = immoral which seems to be as basic an assumption as theft and murder but doesn't make sense to me.

No. 466149

>>466146
Several people have already explained that the issue with prostitution is that there will be foreign, mentally ill, drugged or otherwise vulnerable women being pushed into it. There's no way to really control this, even in places where all prostitution is legal you still get sex trafficking, girls being forever indebted to pimps, hooked on drugs so that they keep needing the money, lied to about the nature of a job and raped, etc. Doing nude streams from your bedroom is a lot safer than other forms of sex work, sure, but even then you'll get women being forced into it by the men in their lives or being stalked and harrassed by men who think a woman being a sex-worker entitles them to her time and private life.

Taking part in this, even if it's safe for you, normalises this and it creates more demand for all types of sex work. It's understandable that some women feel that they have no alternatives, and the men who run the porn industry are much more at fault than those women, but there's no way to pass this off as "feminist" or "empowering". Supporting the porn industry is allowing the abuse of women.

No. 466150

>>466145
Why should radfems who want better for women who are trafficked, abused and raped due to prostitution focus on the sex workers that are safe and happy? Your friend is fine, lots of others aren't.

No. 466153

>>466149
Several people have already explained that the issue with marraige is that there will be foreign, mentally ill, drugged or otherwise vulnerable women being pushed into it. There's no way to really control this, even in places where all marraige is legal you still get forced maraiges, girls being forever indebted to their husband's family, isolated from support networks so that they keep needing the money, lied to about the nature of a marraige and raped, etc. Sending nude photos from your bedroom is a lot safer than other forms of sex, sure, but even then you'll get women being forced into it by the men in their lives or being stalked and harrassed by men who think they are entitled to a woman's time and private life.

Taking part in this, even if it's safe for you, normalises this and it creates more demand for all types of marriage. It's understandable that some women feel that they have no alternatives, and the men who run the religious institutions which perform marraiges are much more at fault than those women, but there's no way to pass this off as "feminist" or "empowering". Supporting marraige is allowing the abuse of women.
>>466150
Why should we care about the prejudice and persecution women face? Well in this instance it's also institutional prejudice supported by the law.

No. 466154

>>466153
You're memeing but many radfems would agree with all of this, and believe that marriage only benefits men. So what's your point?

No. 466155

>>466149
To give you an actual reply, like I said I am sold on the case against pornography. I'm talking about the world's oldest profession in its original form.

There's nothing industrial about how she goes about it. No pimp, no agency, screening clients herself. I'm not defending the industry. I'm questioning the criticism of a personal choice.

No. 466156

>>466154
I'm just wondering if you're as critical of women who marry voluntarily as you are of women who voluntarily enter sex work.

Because yes I did rewrite the paragraph to still make perfect sense, because it does, but personally my feminism includes married women and you're not giving me any better reason to exclude sex workers than you are for me to exclude married women.

No. 466161

>>466156
They’re not excluded from feminism, but they’re definitely not the primary focus - why should they be, when just as they themselves assert they are supposedly fine?

No. 466166

>>466161
She's fine with the work, not the stigma that comes with it. But this internet fit is on her behalf not by her - she generally avoids letting anyone else know, because of said stigma.

People are happy to talk about all kinds of sex-based oppression like the way actresses are treated in hollywood or how women are portrayed in media but the moment anyone mentions a voluntary sex worker they're a traitor.

No. 466170

>>466166
I guess because it also boils down this; we are not things that can be bought and sold. Our bodies are not a resource that others are entitled to. Our reproductive systems are not commodities.

No. 466171

>>466170
But you can pay for services like waitressing and nursing and psychotherapy and private tuition, and sex.

Why is sex so different that providing it as a service incurs such scorn and derision? It's not like I don't have a clue, syphilis and monogamous patriarchy both have a lot to do with it but one has been cured by antibiotics and the other we don't support.

No. 466178

>>466171
Because none of those professions require for someone to use your body, let alone intimately. And any profession that requires handling bodily fluids ensures that the person handling them is adequately protected, yet prostitutes are expected to happily guzzle cum by their johns

Also, is consent to sex truly consent when financial coercion is involved? The majority of those who have not been trafficked are in it purely because they desperately need money, and the men they have sex with are not men they would have with otherwise. And even the few that do go into it voluntarily have began to come out now with their stories of how their mental health has suffered and they are traumatised.

Allowing men to continue dehumanising us is in no shape or form empowering. I don’t see how you could argue that a man purchasing a woman to use her like a fleshlight isn’t dehumanising

No. 466179

>>466178
Samefag but the fact that it is primarily men as customers and women as providers also speaks volumes.

No. 466183

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>>466178
>Because none of those professions require for someone to use your body

You're literally a cog in most jobs.

>bodily fluids


Arbitrary distinction. And no, a lot of medical staff will get elbow deep in other peoples' crap. Hazmnat suits will fail, shit pipes will break right in plumbers' faces etc.

>Also, is consent to sex truly consent when financial coercion is involved? The majority of those who have not been trafficked are in it purely because they desperately need money,


As opposed to people who sit in a cubicle for 50+ hours a week for the entertainment value?

>and the men they have sex with are not men they would have with otherwise.


I imagine there aren't many people others would work for in a low seam coal mine w/o financial incentive, wondering if this is the day you become a wet spot under a ton of rocks and yet coal gets mined.

You can make some kind of argument for sacredness of sex but I doubt it will have a very universal appeal.

>I don’t see how you could argue that a man purchasing a woman to use her like a fleshlight isn’t dehumanising


A lot of work is in fact dehumanizing if being used is the essence of it. Nobody cares about your rich inner world when you clean septic tanks, wipe asses at the hospital or clean hotel rooms after some ungodly slobs.

I'm not saying there can't be a strong argument against sex work, but you didn't make it yet.

No. 466185

>>466166
The stigma does not, and should not take precedence over the actual harm it does.
If the stigma is such a problem, maybe work to make the actual thing free of all the issues causing it to be stigmatized in the first place. It does not come from nowhere. Don't demand that we all ignore the trafficking, rape and exploitation just because your friend's having a good time and it annoys her that many feminists (rightfully) hear "prostitution" and think of the most vulnerable people affected, not a privileged woman.
I'd also wager that it's a bit easier to walk away from a marriage than prostitution. A forced marriage, in contrast, would be along the same lines as sex trafficking, and also deserves to be talked about.

No. 466186

>>466178
I forgot to put massage in there, or to emphasize that medical professions often involve handling someone's genitals

>prostitutes are expected to happily guzzle cum by their johns


There are unlicensed street doctors who don't follow adequate safety procedures. Just like there are prostitutes who make it clear in advance that protection is required for all acts.

If it were the bodily fluids you were concerned abut, condoms would allay your concerns. I suspect they don't.

Unfortunately capitalism therefore doing things you otherwise wouldn't for money.

>purchasing a woman to use her like a fleshlight


this really isn't consonant with the secondhand descriptions provided about what her work involves.

In fact it's your language that's dehumanising here.

No. 466188

>>466183
>>466186
NTA, but if it's the same thing as being a doctor, a janitor or an office worker, why aren't we seeing far more men exchanging sexual acts for cash? It should be 50/50 if it's all the same dehumanizing stuff, right?
The next time a man in your life talks about how broke he is, try suggesting sex work to him, watch him get mad and then ask him exactly what the problem is. That should speak volumes.

No. 466189

>>466185
Well the fact also is that shit like the media and other first world crap is an acceptable topic for discussion but the fact that she's a criminal in the eyes of the law is neither here nor there apparently.

Anyway this all started when I responded to a post about why SWERF is a term. I hope OP understands now

No. 466191

>>466189
Except many so-called "SWERFs" are supportive of the Nordic model, which decriminalizes sex workers, but puts legal repercussions on the men who buy.
No one (besides maybe men) is advocating for women to be seen as criminals when more often than not, they're actually being exploited.

No. 466192

>>466188
have you ever met a man? they all insist that if they were girls they'd be camwhoring it up and enjoying female privelige

Personal aversion to having sex for money isn't an argument against the morality of the service provider any more than a personal aversion to shovelling shit is against the morality of a shit shoveller

No. 466193

>>466178
> financial coercion

Using big words to say: it pays. Would I work my job if financial coercion wasn't involved? And by financial coercion I mean same as you, I need money to survive. No, I wouldn't. I also desperately need money.

No. 466195

>>466191
The SWERFs ITT seem to have no patience for women who choose sex work

No. 466196

>>466188
Probably because women can get sex from men for free and there's not that many gay men in the world.

No. 466197

>>466188
>NTA, but if it's the same thing as being a doctor, a janitor or an office worker, why aren't we seeing far more men exchanging sexual acts for cash? It should be 50/50 if it's all the same dehumanizing stuff, right?

If there isn't parity in demand for it there won't be a parity. Straight male addicts often prostitute for gay men (small client pool) because they burn through the money and can't hold strenuous/precision demanding jobs. Otherwise the market isn't there, there is no symmetry in the "sexual market" or whatever you want to call it.

>The next time a man in your life talks about how broke he is, try suggesting sex work to him, watch him get mad


Did you ever try doing that? You sound like you don't socialize with a lot of people.

No. 466198

>>466192
>if they were girls
Why? They, too, have bodies and genitals, and gay men do exist. "Gay for pay" is always an option. Why is the prevailing idea that this is a women's job? If it's all the same and such a sweet deal, why aren't they dominating the field the same way they bum-rushed computer science and then insisted women somehow don't belong in it?
Where does that personal aversion come from, and why?
Also, this isn't about morality. This is about the toll it takes on a person mentally, physically, etc.
I don't know if you meant it this way, but the comparison to shovelling shit is a bit too close to "Well somebody's gotta do it", when the truth is no, nobody has to give someone sex just to earn money. Coochie is not a human right.

No. 466200

>>466196
>there's not that many gay men in the world.
Men will fuck holes in trees if they're desperate enough. Multiply that with porn addicted cumbrains seeking a new thrill whenever possible, men in their 50s who missed out on experimentation in their youth, closeted bisexual men, openly gay men who can and will be repeat customers for convenience, degenerate types who will pay exorbitant amounts of money to watch another man do unspeakable things, and there's a pretty good market for them.

No. 466201

Yes prostitution is a gendered issue. Which is why I thought it should be a feminist one.

And no, nobody has to sell men sex for money, but someone always will.

No. 466203

>>466193
Does your job require you to allow others to masturbate using your body? Does it require you to be at risk of rape, murder, trafficking, pregnancy and STD’s? Does it require you to commodify your reproductive organs?

No. 466204

>>466198

>Why is the prevailing idea that this is a women's job?


??? This isn't about gender roles, its about getting money. Girl, you're detached from reality, hard. Everybody knows there are male prostitutes.

>Where does that personal aversion come from, and why?


I imagine the orientation identity thing would get in the way. Tho I don't see actual evidence suggesting there's less gay and gay-for-pay prostitutes than female prostitutes per available john.

>Also, this isn't about morality. This is about the toll it takes on a person mentally, physically, etc.


Such a throw away comment. Yo have to delineate how it actually differs from other jobs. Otherwise you still have no argument.

>I don't know if you meant it this way, but the comparison to shovelling shit is a bit too close to "Well somebody's gotta do it"


Thats not how demand works in the job market. Nobody NEEDS the top 10 Hollywood actors, but go check their paychecks.

No. 466205

>>466195
How? No one has said "Sex work makes you a bad person and a traitor to all women reeeee", just "There's a reason we don't consider it empowering or feminist in itself".
It's grossly dehumanizing to far more women than it's just "meh" to, and those are just the facts. It's funny that you mentioned "first world", but you seem to want us to approach this topic from the standpoint that there's nothing wrong. No honest, non-hypocritical feminist will ever do that. The damage it's done is just too much.
Like I said before, deal with the problems instead of telling people to stop paying attention to them.

No. 466206

>>466195
If feminists against sex work didn’t have patience for sex workers we wouldn’t have had any discussion ITT

Feminists criticising the sex industry aren’t the issue, the men that see women as nothing more than a resource that can be bought on a whim are the problem.

No. 466208

>>466145
>I don't see how being a literal prostitute is worse than a decent woman.
Anon, please. You are insulting women in this post by equatating us to prostitutes. Claiming that you don't see the difference between prostitution and healthy romantic interactions is a cofession of your own blindness, nothing more.

No. 466209

>>466203

Does your job require you to walk on roofs or get into holes that can collapse you under 100 tons of rock?

We'd be banning jobs all day if we go by that

>Does it require you to be at risk of rape, murder, trafficking, pregnancy and STD’s?


Keeping it in the gray zone or actively hounding prostitutes helps with that?

No. 466210

>>466204
>??? This isn't about gender roles, its about getting money. Girl, you're detached from reality, hard. Everybody knows there are male prostitutes.
How do you miss the point this hard? Holy shit. Think about the question in regards to the "if I were a girl" shit from earlier. You seriously can't be this obtuse, you have to be playing dumb.

>I imagine the orientation identity thing would get in the way. Tho I don't see actual evidence suggesting there's less gay and gay-for-pay prostitutes than female prostitutes per available john.

Lots of female prostitutes aren't attracted to their clients, but they still do it.

>Such a throw away comment. Yo have to delineate how it actually differs from other jobs. Otherwise you still have no argument.

Which is why I'm asking you to think why exactly more people (especially men) would rather be an office drone than sell their holes to some scrote. I know you already know why, and I don't get why you're dedicated to this "They're totally the same" thing, but I'm interested to see how you'll explain it away.

>Thats not how demand works in the job market. Nobody NEEDS the top 10 Hollywood actors, but go check their paychecks.

Do you want us to try and compare the amount of money many prostitutes are estimated to make to Hollywood actors' salaries? Is that really a hill you're ready to die on?

No. 466211

>>466200
>and there's a pretty good market for tchem
If there really were it would've been exploited by now.

No. 466212

>>466206

You have no patience for voluntary sex workers, who are also 'at risk of rape, murder, pregnancy and STD’s'.

It's very easy to say that sex slavery is evil. But that's a discussion of slavery, and the discussion of sex work itself when not slavery is scrupulously avoided.

Voluntary sex workers face increased risks due the criminalisation of their activities. This is institutionalised discrimination but you don't want to hear about it and deflect by insisting that it's slavery.

No. 466213

>>466154
Let's not pretend that claiming marriage is inherently opressive is in any way a reasonable position in the West.

No. 466215

>>466205
>No one has said "Sex work makes you a bad person and a traitor to all women reeeee"

They pretty much did voluntary sex workers are supposedly selfish and don't deserve any attention or sympathy.

No. 466216

>>466209
Punishing the men that exploit these women would.

Since you seem so nonplussed about the issues surrounding prostitution why don’t you go sell your body to men? Or are you above that?

Know what else makes prostitution different from other dangerous professions? The inherent intimacy. Just because you yourself don’t view it as intimate doesn’t mean your body doesn’t, we literally release hormones throughout and after sex to bond with whomever we just fucked.

No. 466217

>>466213
As reasonable as the position that sex work is inherently oppressive IMO

No. 466218

>>466197
Didn't notice this reply, see >>466200
>Did you ever try doing that? You sound like you don't socialize with a lot of people.
This sounds like some weird, bitter projection on your end. Not here for that, deal with your issues alone.

>>466211
How many men have you met who say they're not doing that because no one will buy?

No. 466219

>>466179
What does it speak volumes of? Of course it would be like this, why on earth would women pay for sex in any large numbers? It's men that have difficulty getting women to sleep with them, not the other way around.

No. 466220

>>466211
Pretty sure it’s because men don’t want to spread their cheeks for strangers, anon

No. 466221

>>466216
Working as a mental health nurse can be both intimate and dangerous

No. 466222

>>466215
Who said that? Link me to the post(s). We're on a single thread in an imageboard, you can't gaslight or make up boogeymen here.

No. 466223

>>466188
Because women don't need to pay to get sex? Are you a scrot or something?(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 466224

>>466223
Plenty of men that use prostitutes have partners, what reason do they have to be seeking their services if they also don’t need to buy sex?

No. 466225

>>466222
>>466137

Read the posts above and below. I think there anons here who would have me believe that my friend is a shitty person despite knowing nothing about her beside her job

No. 466226

>>466223
Do you seriously believe gay men won't buy sex, that the only people patronizing female sex workers are incels with no other options for sex, and/or that female sex workers are 99% of the time truly attracted to their male clients?

No. 466227

To all the anons saying that prostitution is no different from other professions, would you honest to god ever let a man you have never met before stick his cock in you for a few hundred?

No. 466228

>>466217
A lot less anon. Quite a few women are trafficked into prostitution in the West, but women are not married by force in it. So not a good comparison.

No. 466229

>>466227
I'll believe it's different but I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why it's wrong

No. 466230

>>466215
Anon, in all this thread you don't get that societies have morals. Prostitution has generally been seen as immoral due to the fact that sex is an intimate act of love between a couple, often in order to create new life and a family. Prostitution destroyes that, which is why it is viewed as immoral, it is not difficult to understand.

No. 466231

>>466215
Anon, in all this thread you don't get that societies have morals. Prostitution has generally been seen as immoral due to the fact that sex is an intimate act of love between a couple, often in order to create new life and a family. Prostitution destroyes that, which is why it is viewed as immoral, it is not difficult to understand.

No. 466232

>>466228
'mail order brides'. The argument seems to go that all women in sex work are trafficked, but they're not, and neither are all women in marriages in the west there because of true love.

No. 466233

>>466220
If there existed high demand it wouldn't matter.

No. 466234

>>466229
How about you instead tell us all the reasons as to why you and your friend believe that her extremely rare experience of the industry is supposedly more important than the thousands of issues within it?

No. 466236

>>466225
The hard truth is that the act of involvement in that is quiet support of exploitation, but if she isn't pimping out other women, and also doesn't try to sanitize the image of sex work or silence any discussion about it being fucked up, no one's going to push her off the boat.
Like, there's a difference between "I personally do sex work to earn money" and "I'm a PROUD FEMINIST SEX WORKER".

No. 466237

>>466234
Not once have I asserted that. But you have literally no time for women who interact with men in ways you don't like, and to me that isn't feminism(Infighting yet again)

No. 466238

>>466224
Having a wife doesn't mean you get sex anon.

>>466226
I didn't say male prostitutes don't exist, they are however a lot less since gay men are a lot less than straight men.

No. 466239

>>466210

>Lots of female prostitutes aren't attracted to their clients, but they still do it.


Identity, not attraction. Am I x for doing y? They're still doing it, so the potential its a factor is undecided.

>How do you miss the point this hard? Holy shit. Think about the question in regards to the "if I were a girl" shit from earlier. You seriously can't be this obtuse, you have to be playing dumb.

>Which is why I'm asking you to think why exactly more people (especially men) would rather be an office drone than sell their holes to some scrote.
Because they can work at an office.

A lot of people can't. Most of those go into shit jobs and some of those then opt to take on the stigma and the risk of illegality and lack of regulation and become sex workers. Some don't because they evaluate things differently and the money ins't worth it to them while some are principial and not up against a wall.

There's different demand for different people and the end result is more women as prostitutes. A lot of low end, occasional male prostitutes sell ass for basically nothing, because of that pool of addicts over saturating the tiny niche so the pay is a smaller incentive for males. There's no legions of straight men that spontaneously decide to start fucking other men at the rates they want to fuck women just because, as someone suggested itt.

There is no AHA moment anywhere down that line, where we get to see how men are just too proud or priviliged to prostitute themselves and only patriarchy-compelled women do because all you have is those orangutan arms you're reaching with. Yo have nothing.

>Do you want us to try and compare the amount of money many prostitutes are estimated to make to Hollywood actors' salaries? Is that really a hill you're ready to die on?


Are you stupid or pretending?

No. 466240

>>466233
Lmao you really think there’s a shortage of men that would want to fuck another mans hairy bungus? You’re delusional, look at Ancient Greece and Rome, men fucking each other left and right, or Thai lady boys that have no shortage of patrons. You’re delusional.

The demand is there, but the difference is that men aren’t born in a world that oppresses them.

No. 466241

>>466232
Mail order brides are a tiny percentage of the population of marries women. Also I never agreed with the "all women are trafficked", I said it was immoral because
>>466230

No. 466246

>>466240
The actual difference is that men prefer to become robbers instead actually.

No. 466249

>>466236
The attitudes that have come out ITT or anywhere push people in the same position away from radical feminism, because it either denies their existence, villifies them as collaborators, or wilfully ignores their issues.

And that's why y'all are SWERFs(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 466250

>>466246
Gee whiz, I sure do wonder why the option of harming others is more attractive to the violent sex that happily oppresses the other

No. 466251

>>466240
>Ancient Greece and Rome
Heterosexual sex outside of marriage is shunned
>Thai
Trannies mostly and still less poular choice than women

No. 466252

>>466230
Yeah I missed this. This was the honest answer I was looking for. People hate prostitutes because they see their work as the violation of the monogamous bonds. Patriarchy hangover.

Thanks.

No. 466255

>>466249
Women can’t be expected to solve all issues, sorry that stigma from a profession someone willingly goes into isn’t exactly a top priority. Radical feminism also isn’t the only branch that opposes sex work btw

No. 466256

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This "Umm prostitution is just like getting married or working at McDonald's sweety" shit is so far divorced from reality that it hurts. I refuse to believe anyone actually even thinks that way.
Rather, they probably want it to be true so they don't have to acknowledge anything too fucked up in society, so they just keep repeating it, plugging their ears and screaming "whorephobia", "puritan", "sex negative", "exclusionary", etc in hopes that everyone else will just get tired and LARP along with them to avoid a fight. I went back and forth ITT a few times, but I've already realized someone with such staunch dedication to something so illogical and retarded can't really be reasoned with. It'd just devolve to gaslighting and insults, because even they know they're full of shit.
Seriously. No one can possibly be so delusional to think selling meat is the same thing as being the meat getting sold.

No. 466257

>>466250
I would be happy to answer, as I am a criminologist by trade. Poeple (overwhelmingly men) become criminals (most of the time, exceptions exist) due to what we call relative deprivation. It means that the individual believes society owes him a certain kind of living or a certain good and so he is ok breaking the rules of a society to get it. It's not poverty that causes it, since there are criminals in high earning positions as well, it is a morality of entitlement. You can find it mostly in the lower classes due to social reasons and the morality of the class itself interestingly, but not the economic poverty. A lot of people have no idea and think it's poverty itself.

No. 466258

>>466252
>Yeah I missed this. This was the honest answer I was looking for. People hate prostitutes because they see their work as the violation of the monogamous bonds.
Yes.

>Patriarchy hangover.

No. Monogamy is a hell of a lot better for women than men, don't be silly.

No. 466260

>>466257
I can’t tell if you are arguing for or against me but
>It means that the individual believes society owes him a certain kind of living or a certain good and so he is ok breaking the rules of a society to get it.
just proves my point

No. 466261

>>466256
>anyone
Actually, I take this back, because I know there are plenty of retarded men who would truly think this way. Shit like >>465864 is proof enough of that.
I should have said "any woman", and I do truly hope we've been arguing with women ITT and not trannies who want us to accept their cumbrained ways.

No. 466262

>>466258
literally slutshaming

No. 466263

>>466262
NTA but you realise that by screeching ‘slutshaming!!’ you are still calling women sluts, right?

No. 466264

>>466260
I mean, I wasn't arguing against you, I was just pointing out the inner workings of the minds of criminals. The fact that they are mostly men could be due to several things and a lot have been suggested in Academia. Firstly, lower IQ, since men tend to cluster more than women at the edges of the bell curve. Most criminals are low IQ and low impulse control, which correlates with IQ. Then the social condition of gender roles that pressures men to succeed to be men, which leads to those who fail to succeed to feel like the SHOULD have succeeded and so they must do anything to succeed. Also the more inherent violent nature of men at the end of the empathy curve bell, where very few women exist could explain their violent outboursts.

No. 466266

So far no anon yelling at us how sex work is like other work has come forward saying that they’d happily hop on a cock for cash. Interesting.

No. 466268

>>466262
I don't view people who sleep around and are not monogamous as people that agree with my morality, call it what you want.

No. 466269

>>466237
Fuck off feminism isn't women's feel good club, it is a human rights movement

No. 466270

>>466263
sorry it's just the word for it.

But the naked truth is that even in radfem circles promiscuous women are apparently deemed to be less-than or immoral.

It's sad because I agree on basically everything else you say and find libfems to be retarded.

I liked lolcow because we are unashamedly terfy but were pretty chill about sex work, doesn't seem that way today

No. 466271

>>466229
It isn't about right and wrong, it's about the fact that prostitution (including porn) abjectly harms women. Unpleasant jobs such as sanitation and coal-mining come with regular salaries, benefits, protection, contracts explicitly protecting you from abuse/discrimination, and the ability to unionize - do any of these privileges come with sex work? It's far more likely that porn performers sign contracts barring them from pursuing legal action if they are raped, drugged or abused. Read actual testimonies from johns, pimps, porn producers. They love prostitution/porn specifically because it degrades women, because it is "consensual" abuse that a woman can't say no to. It gives men all the power and women none of the power. This is pretty basic stuff, anon.

But since you care about men so much, it should go without saying that porn destroys marriages, male capacity to enjoy healthy relationships, makes their dicks numb and useless, and makes them learn to hate, objectify, and devalue women. Every serial killer you've ever heard of had an addiction to violent porn. The sex industry also harms plenty of gay men, lesbians, troons, and children. It harms literally everyone, even the consumers, so why support it?

No. 466272

>>466266
They would never, and they know exactly why.

No. 466273

>>466269
Meaning: The goal of feminism is humans rights for women.

Goal of feminism isn't to make every woman feel goody good about themselves and the stuff they do.

No. 466274

>>466270
Most think the same for promiscuous men, it's not something against women.

No. 466275

>>466270
>pretty chill about sex work

Have you seen the front page of /snow? It is camwhores ripping to shreds other camwhores, day in day out. Doesn’t seem chill to me

Promiscuity has nothing to do with feminism, it is entirely an individuals morals - even in libfem circles you’ll find women against it

No. 466277

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrksuCrfQ1k

I used to watch the videos of these guys (Hugo and Jake), mostly just movie reviews. They later became kind of insufferable with their avid troon support and they would mention it constantly in unrelated videos. Turns out one of them is trooning out now, it's why he's getting fatter. He attributes "being trans" to Contrapoints… Even though it's been proven at this point that Contra doesn't even have dysphoria and basically trooned out for YouTube millions. The comments are full of dudes "supporting him" and others saying "I sometimes wish I was a woman… does that mean I'm trans, too?" and people telling them to troon out. Holy fuck I just want to die

No. 466279

>>466266
>>466272
Not even agreeing with her but that is such a male talk.

No. 466280

>>466275

>>>/g/90992

linked thread is about the sanest discussion of sex work I've ever seen anywhere on the internet.

This thread is the same scripted responses you will get on any radfem forum.

No. 466281

>>466279
lmao fucking how anon

No. 466283

>>466280
One thread somehow negates the daily toxicity?

No. 466284

>>466279
Literally how? All of these anons are saying one thing, and then doing the next. They're putting on ridiculous airs and screaming at us for not pretending like they do. What is male about pointing that out?
I don't think anyone here wants themselves or their hypothetical future (or existing) daughter to be a prostitute, but in the same breath, some people ITT are claiming it's cool for everyone else? No, that's nonsense.

No. 466286

>>466266
I used to but to be fair I am pretty fucked in the head.
Ironically my current legal job is more dangerous.

No. 466288

>>466286
Genuinely curious, would you ever do it again? And do you have any regrets over it?

No. 466291

>>466280
All of the responses in that thread are just proving the point that sex work is not just fine and "the same as working an office job, or at least it would be if it weren't for all that darn slut-shaming the patriarchy and swerfs keep perpetuating :/". It's fucked up and damages people pretty badly. That's why it's not feminist.

No. 466294

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>>466291
This is literally the first fucking post, but sure, sex work is just like all other work guys haha

No. 466298

>>466294
If you read more than one post different anons have very different experiences, rather than everyone having the same experience and only one perspective being given.

No. 466299

>>466284

I dunno if you're consciously strawmanning or coddled to the point where you don't truly internalize the fact that people need to eat. Nobody claimed prostitution is their first choice and I don't see how you arrive at the position where sex work has to be affirmed as the best shit ever. I think I have already mentioned 7 or so jobs for comparison to it and they were all bad. But its a living and thats the point.

Would I pick safe'ish legal prostitution over back breaking, dangerous and/or life draining labor that would basically take over my life? Yes, yes I would, dumb ass. There.

I don't because there are more options available. Some people don't have those, some other people can't tolerate minimum wage/pressure and know they personally can get more as a prostitute etc.

No. 466300

>>466283
Actually most of the people talking shit about camgirls/escorts on this site are talking shit about things they are doing besides sex work and anons often push back when someone just wanders into a thread calling someone a whore

No. 466301

>>466298
But the fact remains that women are more often than not harmed by prostitution and come to regret their involvement

You don’t revolve a movement around the 1% that isn’t harmed when 99% are gravely harmed (don’t hold me to these statistics, autists, I’m trying to illustrate how ridiculous focusing on a minority is in such a scenario)

No. 466303

>>466301
censoring discussion of one at-risk group because there also exists another, larger group at more risk is asinine

No. 466304

>>466300
The amount of times I have seen anons laughing at and nitpicking a woman’s ‘goods’ (her genitals, ass, breasts, waist, etc.) in those threads is ridiculous, but sure.

No. 466305

>>466302
Nobody says anyone should have to, but there are some people who choose to and you are throwing them under the bus

No. 466306

>>466299
>people need to eat
That doesn't justify shit. No woman should have to trade in her bodily autonomy for food or survival, ever. It's not feminist or empowering in the least. Get over it and see yourself out, no one wants to hear your pimp-tier "It's the same as any other job lol" bullshit excuses.
There is too much blood on this industry's hands, and no one with more than two functioning brain cells and a smidgen of empathy will ever ignore that.

No. 466307

>>466303
No one has censored discussion. Pointing out that an industry is by and large harmful is not censoring. By all means, bring to the table personal experiences, but don’t try to shift the attention away from women and girls in grave danger when at worst what they face is apparently stigma

No. 466308

>>466299
I'd rather clean up crime scenes for a living, at least that washes off.

No. 466309

>>466305
How? By not centering their tiny percentage over the majority of participants, who are suffering? Give me a break.
No one cares if you're selling ass in peace, it's about women's rights. Accept that you're not the most important snowflake and that something not being a problem to you doesn't mean it's not a problem, period.

No. 466310

>>466306
People, often men, do much more dangerous jobs, trading in their literal lives to eat and feed their families. You have no idea how the world works, you sound extremely privileged and out of touch with the poor people of this planet.
(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 466311

>>466307
Samefag, but not revolving a movement around something is not at all the same as censorship.

No. 466312

>>466307
The attention wasn't on them until someone brought up an example of a voluntary sex worker, now it becomes important that all discussion be about that suddenly.

We are actually all in the wrong for not discussing how to best help the rescue of Yazidi girls still being held by their former Daesh captors

No. 466313

>>466310
>But what about the MEN, you privileged femoid?!
You can't be fucking serious, lmao.

No. 466315

>>466310
Men are also predominantly the ones that feel enough entitlement to have the audacity to purchase another human beings body to masturbate with. What’s your point?

No. 466316

>>466311
Straw man. The discussion of voluntary sex work is impossible if it gets shut down every time by discussion of a larger issue. The result is that the discussion never takes place, which is censoring.

No. 466317

>>466316
Alrighty then - here’s your platform. Tell us about the issues surrounding voluntary sex work.

No. 466318

>>466306
>That doesn't justify shit.

Nobody needs to justify shit to you though. Nobody died and made you queen of anything.

>No woman should have to trade in her bodily autonomy for food or survival, ever.


cue montage of dronelike labor at an assembly line for endless hours and shit pay

>There is too much blood on this industry's hands


And on the hands of neopuritan gendered egomaniacs who trade female lives en masse for feeling holy. Such as yourself.

Difference is "the industry" isn't a person so the potential for change is bigger.(Stop infighting)

No. 466320

>>466313
>Oh no, she mentioned men, what a moron!

>>466315
Of course anon, I am not here to defend men. My point was that plenty of people of both genders give up their bodily autonomy to do terrible jobs that destroy their bodies and souls. For women it is typicaly prostitution for men hard physical labour. My point was that she has no fucking clue what she was talking about and is privileged to have lived a middle class or above lifestyle without ever having to face the shit people ahve to go through to feed themselves and their families.(This is lolcow, not tumblr)

No. 466321

>>466310
No one should have to risk their life just to put food on the table, no one here has advocated for that.

No. 466322

>>466318
>Nobody needs to justify shit to you though.
Then stop sending me your shitty replies. I didn't ask for your opinion, and no one else here did. Go and tell someone who actually values your garbage takes.
>neopuritanism
There it is. Anyone who doesn't deny reality is totally a slut-shaming puritan who's sex-negative and wants us all to be sister-wives or whatever. Having to be drunk and/or high and dissociate just to get through strange men invading your body without having a complete breakdown is totally normal and relatable, ecks-dee.
You're not going to brainwash anyone here, sorry.

No. 466323

>>466317
Stigma - I won't even bother
Safety - if the work were legal it would be possible for people to make their movements known in terms of when they were meeting with clients and it would be more difficult for anyone with violent intent to get away with it. Industry regulation works better than prohibition for preventing the worst excesses of vice.
Criminality - This friend of mine once began talking about how she was going to sign on for unemployment benefits and look for an office job instead, but I couldn't persuade her to fill in the forms where she had to declare her sources of income, and in about a week she had a new old man to pay her bills and insisted she was over it. I'm not so sure.

No. 466324

>>466321
Of course anon, no one should, my point is that plenty do and it's hypocritical of the op I asnwered to act as if it's something strange and allien, when it is the very existence of plenty of poor and destitute people.(Derail)

No. 466325

>>466322
As someone that hasn't been a full fledged prostitute but has done some line of sex work I totally agree with your points, I had to be high most of the time to deal with clientele and it ruined my relationships with men forever. This line of work is bad for women no matter what, you can choose to self-harm but you can't convince people its ok because you have "choice".

No. 466326

>>466320
That does, in fact, make you a moron. Why should I, or anyone else ITT give a shit what men go through when they literally create their own problems in society and happily exploit women on top of it all?
It's nice that you figured out that projecting your own lifestyle onto others in a bid to feel above them works sometimes, but anyone with a brain won't buy it.
I care about women and girls who are exploited by a disgusting trade. Die mad about it, and maybe join an MRA group (and then proceed to do literally nothing for men except bitch about feminists).

No. 466327

>>466324
which is why we have to change the system and advocate for the working class women and men that are pushed into back breaking and undignified jobs that risk their health and lives, sex work still sucks.

No. 466328

>>466323
>>466324
Just caught up with all of this but have to say I agree with you

No. 466331

>>466325
Cheers anon, hope you're doing better now. Keep your chin up, psychological wounds take as much time or more to heal than bodily ones, you can get better!

>>466327
Absolutely anon. Poor people should be treated with dignity and the rest of society needs to finally realize most of them are not poor by choice but by circumstances.

>>466328
I only posted the second post, but thanks anon, it's good to hear that others agree with me.

>>466326
>Why should I, or anyone else ITT give a shit what men go through when they literally create their own problems in society and happily exploit women on top of it all?
Are you a child or just heartless? Men do not create their own problems, men are in the same system as women and have their roles and upbringing decided for them. Men are not your enemy, people who insist on antiquated gender roles are, plenty of which are women.

Your rumblings as a result of even mentioning men, when my point was about the entire class of poor people that inhabits the lowers echelons of our society suggests that there is something wrong with you. I will tell you again, men and women are not enemies, people of different ideologies are.(Stay on topic please)

No. 466332

>>466323
What comes after sex work? I'm curious how a sex worker could live with the memories or have relationships with men? At least radfems surround themselves with other women and are shielded from all that..and they have cats. I feel like a sex workers life is a lonely one.

No. 466334

>>466325
I hope you're doing better now, anon. I'm glad you got out of that shit. It just pisses me off so much when people try to downplay what it does.

No. 466336

>>466331
Unfortunately, 51.9% of the planet is responsible for 82.1% of rape and violent crime in all societies and civilizations. Additionally, men are overrepresented in positions of power worldwide.
It's not "the system", and it's not a 50/50 split, it's just men doing what they please in a society they hold power in.
If you're too cowardly to name the problem, that's on you. Feel free to go somewhere else and make a generalized human rights space. This thread is pink pill and GC, not libfem-ish "We're here for the men too #egalitarianism #notafeminist #notallmen" central.

No. 466337

>>466334
I don't remember myself or any other women (and 2 underage girls btw) being happy. A lot of men specifically enjoy this type of stuff so they can have an opportunity to hurt women, even just by throwing insults at us. At least coal miners have their dignity and soul intact at the end of a long day.

No. 466340

>>466336
>If you're too cowardly to name the problem, that's on you.

Now that we are on the subject of statistics, 13% of the population commits over 50% the crimes in the America. So certain ethnic demographics of men are much, much worse and people should be brave enough to confront that issue too.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 466342

>>466331
>It's good to here you agree with me

As the other anon defending voluntary sex work ITT who was also quoted in post you replied to, I would just like to say men can fuck off and die

No. 466343

>>466340
Then why are white americans more fuckretarded and braindead than their european counterparts too?

No. 466344

>>466340
Also why do you people get triggered when you say "all men are bad" but you are a-ok with "all black men are bad", Are you too afraid to face the fact that your sex needs a lobotomy and castration as soon as they're born? Or maybe even aborted in the womb

No. 466345

>>466340
And now watch yourself get banned and her ignoring the point you're trying to make.(Use the report button instead of shitting up the thread)

No. 466346

>>466344
She's obviously making a point of how stupid what the op said was.(Stop trying to start fights in the thread)

No. 466347

>>466342
I am sorry for your psychological problems anon. Hopefully with time you will heal.(Stop trying to start fights in the thread)

No. 466348

>>466346
It isn't stupid, men are literally responsible for the majority of violent crime as well as being guilty of the worst examples.

No. 466349

>>466347
No they're right and you're wrong

No. 466350

>>466346
whats the point of even coming in here to defend men though, this entire thread is for calling out the bullshit and trauma women are forced to live through because of men. We know 'not all men', I personally know many great men. That doesn't change the ugly reality that enough men are hurting us to be a significant problem.

No. 466351

>>466315
As opposed to men masturbating with another human's body for free?

No. 466352

>>466348
Yes anon, a tiny percentage of them. Her original point was the equivalent of a white supremacist claiming Muslims are responsible for terrorism.

No. 466353

>>466351
consensual sex isn't the same, when you have sex for free you are choosing to have sex for the sake of pure enjoyment

No. 466354

>>466351
tbqh if you are gonna have sex with a man I applaud having the discretion to at least make him pay you

No. 466355

>>466353
If you think selfish enjoyment is the only reason women have unpaid sex with men you are horribly naive

No. 466356

>>466354
>>466354
It's called marriage and a long term commitment.

No. 466357

>>466355
that is the only reason I have sex, I only have sex when I want it and it feels good.

No. 466358

>>466356
Marriage is just an exclusive prostitution contract with added childbearing duties.

I kind of suspect the reason people hate prostitutes is that in times gone by when women were property of their husbands or fathers it allowed women a way to acquire their own wealth and live independently.

No. 466359

>>466358
Women are capable of creating wealth on their own without letting men use them whatever way they want. Imagine having a job you enjoy that makes you feel powerful at the end of the day and then getting to choose who you want to have sex with based on how young/hott they are.

No. 466361

>>466359
They are now.

Also

>letting men use them whatever way they want


Is not quite the reality.

No. 466363

>>466361
what percentage of sex workers do you think have a healthy self-esteem and self-worth? Do you think they're happy? I've known a good number and they were either heavy drug addicts or self-harmed in some way or other.

No. 466364

>>466310
I understand this view, but most of those jobs are something that's actually needed for society to function properly. Construction workers, firefighters, police officers, etc, are all dangerous but necessary occupations. Prostitution isn't necessary. It's a violation of human rights.

You also make it seem like prostitution isn't dangerous. When you are exposed to many possibly violent and shady men multiple times a day chances are high you will run into someone who will take things too far. Look how many prostitutes end up dead.

No. 466366

>>466363
Beside the point. Independent escorts can screen clients and set boundaries. They are are still at risk from clients who might choose to forcefully ignore those boundaries and got past screening, but would be less so if the industry was regulated rather than prohibited.

No. 466367

>>466352
Except it's really not, unless you're the kind of person who's obsessed with caping for men in all instances ever.
There's a reason it feels less safe to be in a room full of only men than women, and it's not a subjective thing or based on ideology/religion and prejudice, it's just the reflection of how men have treated women from the dawn of time. It transcends race and religion, and simply is. Women of all creeds can relate on men being the way they are, so it's not that "tiny" of a percentage.

No. 466369

>>466366
It is the point, the entire point is that its an unhealthy and abusive line of work..wtf?

No. 466371

>>466370
homophobe-chan?

No. 466372

>>466369
You were replying to a post where I contradicted the assertion that taking a client means letting them do whatever they want by veering off into self esteem.

Prostitutes can have boundaries. They can be violated like anyone elses but they can still establish them.

No. 466373

>>466349
Nope

>>466350
I am not defending men anon. I am defending reasonable conversation. The violent men who hurt others are scum of society as far as I'm concerned. Also I do think there is an issue with the overwhelming amount of criminals being men, obviously. My issue is that idiots like the op completely fuck the conversation up.(You are continually derailing the thread and infighting.)

No. 466375

>>466373
It's not "reasonable conversation" to derail a discussion about sex work with "But the men have bad things happen to them too! Poor people rights, not just women! You're privileged!". It's pathetic, immature handmaiden behavior.

No. 466376

>>466375
Exactly

No. 466377

>>466375
my point was that there is a common source for these issues. I didn't derail it I actually explained to her the reality of the world that she was ignorant of.(*fedora tipping intensifies*)

No. 466378

>>466377
You didn't explain anything of value to anyone, you sperged out and tried to change the subject in a very sanctimonious way.
>I didn't derail it I actually explained to her the reality of the world that she was ignorant of.
I (>>466375) am the person you freaked out at, lmao.
You're the only ignorant one here for trying this hard when multiple people pointed out that you were wrong.

No. 466379

>>466372
Prostitutes can have whatever boundaries they want but men can still overpower them at any point. It's still a dangerous line of work that hurts women and shouldn't exist. Most of these women want something better and we should help them get out of the industry by exposing it. Why you support an industry that is fueled only by the most base desires of men and in which the workers are overwhelmingly miserable? I don't get what the point of this conversation even is anymore or what you're defending. If you want to defend sex workers from the point of view that they still deserve respect than I agree, I think some women jump too quickly to judge from a privileged perspective and not understanding that for most its the only way to make significant money in a short amount of time.

No. 466381

>>466379
This is true. There was a documentary about a brothel-the men were told no anal but they would still try it with the prostitutes. some would put up with it despite saying no because otherwise they wouldnt get paid. The one girl who threw the guy out after he tried this didn't get paid despite giving him other "services" because he said he should have to because he wasn't "finished". Really opened my mind to the reality of that shit, those men are fucking disgusting.

No. 466382

>>466337
Reminds me of that FB post of men talking happily about heating up coins just to throw them at strippers and laugh at their pain. I'll never understand how that's considered okay, the world is so fucked.
Hope the other women and girls manage to get out of it, too (if they haven't already).

No. 466383

>>466379
It's the world's oldest profession for a reason, and it will always exist. The danger to women who participate by choice is only increased by criminalisation.

I'll repeat I don't support 'industry', I'm against porn, but my own acquaintance with an independent escort, who chooses whether or not to accept clients and sets boundaries with them forces me to consider her position and she doesn't fit into your narrative.

No. 466387

>>466383
>it doesnt happen to my one friend so it doesnt happen at all and you are lying
ok bro.

No. 466388

>>466383
It's the oldest profession because males are violent, degenerate beasts that will acquire sex in some way, whether it be with a woman he knows or not.

You are a true fool if you think your friends boundaries have never been pushed or threatened.

No. 466389

>>466383
I'm sure not every escort is constantly in a state of misery, but why not aim for something higher? Prostitution is always risky and unhealthy, just like ED or drug addiction can still be managed but is still destructive so is prostitution. I wish your friend had higher aspirations or could at least pile the money up while planning for the future because its going to be a bleak one once she passes a certain age. Hopefully sexbots or whatever can takeover and women can finally be left the fuck alone already.

No. 466390

>>466387
Don't be so fucking dense. How can one discuss the issue of prostitution if you always hinge on the assumption that it's slavery.

Maybe if brothels were properly regulated johns would be prosecuted for trying that shit.

No. 466391

>>466383
Pretty sure farming is the oldest profession.

No. 466392

>>466391
Prostitution is older, there's historical evidence and the behaviour has been observed in other species.

No. 466393

>>466390
>How can one discuss the issue of prostitution if you always hinge on the assumption that it's slavery.
Where did I say that? Im not that other anon you were referring to I was just pointing out how stupid your argument is.

No. 466394

>>466392
>Historial evidence
really? so people were being pimped before people ate? Dubious.

No. 466395

>>466389
point is she has a right to choose. I've had conversations about whether or not she has other aspirations and would encourage her if she did, but it's still her choice and I still think she deserves legitimacy and respect, basically.

No. 466398

>>466395
you also have a right to kill yourself or drink yourself to death or starve yourself, can we agree we should steer people away from doing those things?

No. 466399

>>466394
Anon please

>god made the world and cain toiled the land, we didn't evolve from prehuman ancestors who had no knowledge of farming


Anatomically modern humans were circa 100,000BC, farming was 10,000BC

No. 466401

>>466398
And also drive too fast.

Honestly I've known her for years and there have never been any horror stories and she hasn't become an addict or mentally ill or anything and I just sort of have to acknowledge that maybe it's not the prostitution itself that's damaging.

No. 466402

>>466391
I've heard some way midwifery is the oldest. Either way, the "Prostitution is the oldest profession" quote was made up by Rudyard Kipling for a short story. He also claimed prostitution is "hereditary" in "the East" from mother to daughter.
It has no factual or scientific basis, it was always just scrote nonsense. I roll my eyes whenever someone says it unironically.

No. 466403


No. 466404

>>466399
Thats neither an argument or evidence. People ate before they pimped.

No. 466405

>>466403
But not human, so….

No. 466406

>>466404
Yeah and they ate before they farmed too, good logic anon

No. 466410

>>466409
'Farming is older than prostitution because people ate before they had transactional sex' isn't a coherent argument in the first place

No. 466411

>>466403
>but even animals do it
And? That doesn't make it the first form of exchange/work humans ever partook in.

No. 466412

>>466403
We should be evolving out of what primitive humans did, maybe I'm just a moralfag and my point isn't reaching anyone here when I say that humans but especially women are worth more than this.

No. 466413

>>466406
Yes, and? You still not proved prostituion came before farming. Good logic anon.

No. 466414

>>466411
Find me one human society ever where prostitution never took place

No. 466416

>>466414
>moving the goalposts
Post your evidence that prostitution predates all forms of work ever. You won't, because it's simply not true.

No. 466417

>>466414
hopefully one in the future, where either robots do all the shitty jobs or men and women have learned to clone themselves instead of reproducing

No. 466418

>>466410
It's more sensible than thinking prostitution is older than farming for sure.

No. 466419

>>466410
Neither is "people selling other people for sex is the oldest profession in the world because people have sex so THEREFORE it was being sold before any other trade existed."

No. 466420

>>466416
Inanna was goddess of war and prostitution in ancient Sumer.

I don't care if it's the oldest, it's universal to all human societies in every age

No. 466421

>>466415
Again:

I am against all forms of slavery, sexual or otherwise.

People selling other people's bodies is slave trafficking. Prostitution is people selling their own bodies. The latter does exist however much you'd like it not to.

No. 466422

>>466420
>literally no evidence so just pulls this out of their ass
Finally we have our answer. Great. Now lets get bacn on topic.

No. 466423

>>466420
>I don't care if it's the oldest
Then you had no place getting upset when people pointed out it's not the oldest profession in the world.
Its mere existence doesn't make it justifiable any more than rape, slavery, human sacrifice and murder are justifiable just because all human societies took part in it to at least some degree, so even your new argument fails.

No. 466424

>>466420
well luckily society is slowly but surely changing in a way that is giving women better options in life, the vast majority of sex workers (first world anyway) are now camming or selling pics instead of having sex thank god for that at least.

No. 466425

>>466423
I couldn't care less whether the 'oldest profession' thing is literally true.

What bothers me is the insistence that it's impossible and never happens.

No. 466426

>>466421
>The latter does exist however much you'd like it not to.
Again I didn't deny that? Like the other anon says, stop moving the goalposts.

No. 466427

>>466424
That's mostly just people who are camming and selling pics in addition to people who were selling sex as a service. The latter group didn't go away.

No. 466428

>>466423
this person isn't arguing from the place we are, either because they're male or feel a weird compulsion to back their friend up or something. They can't prove our point wrong because we're arguing from a moral standpoint and they are not. Its two ships passing in the night here.

No. 466429

>>466426
What do you think the goalposts are? What point would you like me to concede?

No. 466430

>>466427
most women don't like fucking lots of random ugly dudes, most would rather sell feet pics from the comfort of their room lol

No. 466431

>>466425
>gets triggered people deny its the oldest profession and goes off on a tangent about it
>is asked to prove this
>"I-i dont care if its the oldest profession"
cool story bro

No. 466432

>>466429
I havent a clue where the goalposts are on account you keep fucking moving them kek.

No. 466433

>>466431
All I was triggered by was how retarded 'people didn't eat before there was farming' was from a logical standpoint

No. 466435

>>466433
And "people sold sex because people fuck and ergo its the oldest profession" isnt retarded?

No. 466436

>>466433
That wasn't my argument, but ok. You're the last person to speak about logic kek.

No. 466437

>>466435
I cited a study showing that our closest living relatives engage in similar behaviour.

But it literally doesn't matter whether prostitution or farming came first, because they are both present throughout the entirety of recorded history.

Actually no you can literally see that prostitution takes place in contemporary pre-agricultural societies (by the way how do these guys eat without farming!?)

No. 466438

>>466433
The joke is that that anon was still more correct than you are. Just give it up.

No. 466439

>>466435
lots of old professions are going away anyway, especially physical labor. Prostitution will hopefully either be totally replaced by robots or as women gain more and more power, women can have less and less physical contact with their clients while still making the money they want.

No. 466441

>>466437
>by the way how do these guys eat without farming!?
Again, that wasn't my argument, not sure how many times I need to repeat myself given you're too stupid to accept any other point that challenges your own
>I cited a study showing that our closest living relatives engage in similar behaviour.
But they are not human, you did not post proof that prostitution is the oldest profession, chimps are not people, chimps also throw their own shit and eat brains, would you like to explain how that trait didnt take off with humans too?

Im have to stop at the risk of getting banned but seriously, stop accusing everyone else of being dumb when you cant even read their responses properly.

No. 466443

>>466437
>by the way how do these guys eat without farming
One question, do you even know what farming is? Do you think people didn't create communties where they grew food and livestock before selling each other for sex?! Do we need to break it down for you anon?

No. 466446

>>466288
If I ever needed quick money again. I keep thinking of new angles to get back into it but it's not worth the legal/social risks. I regret all the scummy things I did to rip off and abuse vulerable people.

No. 466448

>>466441
What is my point that you're challenging? Literal oldest profession? Point conceded. Don't care, old enough. Move on

No. 466449

>>466443
>selling each other
I'm done

No. 466451

>>466446
no man looking to buy sex is an innocent vulnerable person, come ooon

No. 466452

>>466449
>I'm done
You were done about 10 posts ago when you had no evidence for your bullshit point that you went apeshit at other anons for. C'on mr big brained, thought you were educating the plebs.

No. 466453

Can we all agree that men are shit and women should provide the least amount of labor to them as possible?

No. 466454

>>466448
You should go back to school and learn what oldest profession and even farming means before trying to "argue" and call other people stupid when its clear thats projection on your part.

>>466453
Yes-and I think the whole point to at least make that idiots spergeout semi-relevant so at least it wasnt a waste that things like prostitution being the oldest profession is propaganda to make women believe a lot of shit made up by men is just "the natural order". When you think about it there is no good reason for it to exist.

Also women are responsible for the majority of the worst paid labour in the world so this whole idea men work more or are the hardest done my is even more complete bullshit.

No. 466458

>>466454
I can agree that prostitution is awful but I'm one of the people that think regulation is going to do much more to protect women than an outright ban. It's always going to be an option for those that are desperate (same thing with stripping and other forms of sex work) and shaming them isn't going to help. No, there's no reason for it to exist but it does. There should be resources available for these women. So many have no way out because they don't have help.

I don't agree with a lot of the ~pro sex work~ rhetoric that's being spewed these days but I'm also not going to pretend there aren't women that are perfectly content doing it and only want to leave when they decide to.

I don't think this is a black and white issue like some are making it out to be. It's going to be a lot more difficult than just banning prostitution.

No. 466460

>>466458
You're right, as long as we make real efforts to improve women's options like possibly UBI or doing more to stop sexual abuse early on we can prevent a lot more women from going down that path. In the meantime regulations could help, but there is no way in hell I'd ever support the cumbrained idea that prostitution or sex work is in any way positive.

No. 466462

>>466460

There's a difference between something being positive, and it still being a valid choice even if it's not.

No. 466463

Leave it to men to get mad at women for caring about people, because being heartless yourself isn't enough you're upset people aren't as heartless and evil as you

No. 466464

>>466463
emotional labor exists precisely because men are incapable of caring for anyone or anything

No. 466465

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>>466460
>like possibly UBI

lol

No. 466469

I'd rather starve than fuck gross men who think women's bodies are a product to be bought and sold. It's inherently objectifying, even for high class escorts, no matter what rationalization you try to make for it.

No. 466473

>>466469
But do you acknowledge that it can be done by choice and do you have any respect for those who do so by choice or any concern for the risks they face

No. 466474

>>466469
the only people defending it are the gross men that know their time is up and women are becoming less and less dependent on fucking them, they're panicking.

No. 466476

>>466465
How does it feel to be an incel arguing in favor for prostitution because you're that ugly and repulsive no woman will fuck you for free? I've fucked a ton of hot guys for free, but I've only given lap dances to ugly old dudes, want to know why? Because we're not attracted to you and given the choice, we'd take that money for doing as little as fucking possible for you.

No. 466477

>>466474
There will always be broken women who pander to scrotes, unfortunately. I don't think that's ever going away.

No. 466493

>>466473
I was speaking for myself, obviously. Other people's choices are not within my control.

No. 466500

>>466458
I dont disagree, I disagree with the argument posed that because some people choose it that critisizing any of it or pointing out how some are forced into it makes me a "swerf".

>>466460
This.

No. 466502

>>466500
That was never the argument posed. If you're a swerf it's because you tell voluntary sex workers that their opinions don't matter and the issues they face aren't worth considering.

No. 466523

>>466502
Which I didnt do yet it didn't stop you from sperging out so…shrug

No. 466524

>>466523
Plenty of anons ITT have said so. If you DO think that we should consider the positions of voluntary sex workers and that issues affecting them are worth adressing, and the question of sex work doesn't reduce to human trafficking, then congratulations you aren't a swerf

No. 466525

>>466382
>Reminds me of that FB post of men talking happily about heating up coins just to throw them at strippers and laugh at their pain.
I'm sorry but what
Women flash and open themselves to be as vulnerable as possible while men try their best to be as violent as possible because of it. God that's horrendous and sick. Did anything come of it? Especially since they were retarded enough to post it on Facebook of all places

No. 466528

Feeling masochistic and you want to get super angry ? Just sit back and listen to this .

No. 466531

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>>466524
I'm not talking about other anons though, and thats no excuse for your sperging at me, so can you please give it a rest now?

On a different note, do these morons really think saying "biological essentialism" is really covering up their homophobia?

No. 466545

>>466383
Here’s a country the legalised prostitution: Germany. Know what happened? Violence against prostitutes increased. Human trafficking increased. The use of prostitutes increased and is now a normalised behaviour. Because it was seen as ‘any other work’ women that were applying for welfare were being turned away because they hadn’t ‘tried sex work’ (isn’t it interesting how this was directed at primarily women, how they were expected to give up their bodily autonomy? HM.) but sure anon, legality will fix everything.

No. 466549

>>466545
>Because it was seen as ‘any other work’ women that were applying for welfare were being turned away because they hadn’t ‘tried sex work
God, that's fucking horrifying. State sanctioned rape.

It's obvious that legalization will increase trafficking. Demand will massively increase when men dont have to worry about legal trouble, but supply will stay the same because legality was never a deterrent to women desperate enough to prostitute themselves. And all the middle class, white collar johns looking for their first fun and exciting experience of paying to rape a woman will expect hot, young women for their money. Cant believe anyone would support legalization tbh.

No. 466564

>>466545
>Because prostitution was seen as ‘any other work’ women that were applying for welfare were being turned away because they hadn’t ‘tried sex work’

That hasn't been established to have happened.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hot-jobs/

No. 466580

>>466525
I don't think anything happened to them, sadly. They let their names and photos show, and seemed to genuinely see nothing wrong with it.
It's like they honestly don't see women as human beings.

No. 466584

>oldest profession
I can think of a couple.
Hunter
Fisher
Gatherer
Flintknapper
Midwife
Shaman
Clothspinner
Pottery maker

Only a misogynist would think that the original way of human women supporting themselves would be prostituting themselves to men.

No. 466593

>>464862
Your pic was acted out irl the other day. Women's place UK had a peaceful meeting, TRA protesters went insane.
https://mobile.twitter.com/janeclarejones/status/1176207467526676485

No. 466595

You know what I find ironic? Men are quick to cry abuse over anything unpleasant to them but it's women who are taught to call abuse out as last resort, often ignoring blatantly abusive behaviors because of how much shame women get if they are abused

No. 466596

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Anti rhino-poaching unit in Africa is all female due to significantly lower amounts of corruption compared to when they had males on the team. Scrotes were mad. What happened to "why does gender matter, use the best person for the job". Hmm.

https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/a0vpd6/im_a_former_navy_diver_and_special_operations/

No. 466600

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It always makes me laugh when men jump through hoops to convince themselves it's women who are all hypersexual jealous lunatics obsessed with dick, just the obsession with believing all women are obsessed with dick in general makes me laugh. Ask any straight woman who isn't a pickme 9/10 times she will say dicks are ugly and hate dick pics. As for hypersexuality it's men who kill people and rape women if they can't get their dicks wet. It's men who cry and dump women who don't put out on command. Some men even want to start declaring women who don't fuck them as much as they want as emotionally abusive. They're so fucking insecure about themselves, instead of fixing their problems they rather just convince themselves "but but women do it!!"

No. 466604

>>466596
This is great. Literally
>Men triggered by facts and logic

No. 466607

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Men's victim complex combined with how obsessed they are with making fantasies about how super hot women are totally obsessing over them makes them unbearable

No. 466616

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No. 466618

>>466607
Men say this but than turn around and say all men are "biologically" more attracted to young(read:underaged) girls to justify raping 14-16 year olds. The cognitive dissonance is real.

No. 466624

Men: We should have an unlimited supply of 10 yr old fertile sex slaves to impregnate and behead at the infertile age of 20. Anyone who says otherwise is a feminazi oppressing men and against biology
Also men: why are people so cautious of men being pedophiles? We are totally innocent we swear it's evil women who are the real pedos

No. 466638

For that anon asking ‘why is prostitution bad if it’s their choice, everything would be better if they legalise it!’, here’s a link for you. And I implore others to read. Here’s just a snippet for you so that you can see why allowing men to commodify is just about the most retarded thing to fight for.

>A study by the German ministry for family affairs in 2004[9] demonstrated that 87% of the women in prostitution reported having been exposed to physical violence, 82% to emotional violence, 92% to sexual harassment, 59% to sexual violence. These figures alone make it difficult to compare prostitution to a job like any other. And this research was conducted more than 10 years ago; things have since deteriorated significantly.


>There is a recent medical report from a gynaecologist[8] who is working with prostituted women. The health condition of these women is catastrophic. Within 30 years they often show signs of early-ageing. All women have persistent abdominal pains, gastritis, and frequent infections due to the unhealthy state of living conditions. And of course, all kinds of sexually transmissible diseases. The psychological traumatisation can just about be tolerated with alcohol and pharmaceutical drugs. He reports about a growing demand for pregnant women in prostitution. Those women have to serve 15 to 40 men a day continuously until they give birth. Very often, they abandon their child and go to work as soon as possible. Sometimes 3 days after birthing the child.


>It is the German state, by normalising prostitution and by guaranteeing a total decriminalisation of the sex buyers, that has contributed to an enormous increase in demand. We witness the creation of mega-brothels with the capacity to accommodate around 1000 buyers of sex at once, and even more. “Flat-rate” brothels, where, for 70 Euros you get offered a beer, a sausage, and unlimited women[3]. This economical model of the sexual exploitation of the women has also led to an economical exploitation of those women[4]: they earn 30 Euros for sexual intercourse, while they must pay around 160 Euros for a room and 25,– Euro taxes per day; So they have to serve 6 men before starting earning money. These women are subjected to the rules of a free market of capitalism at its roughest: Their bodies are exploited to the maximum. We observe the kind of inhuman working conditions we thought have been surpassed since the beginning of the 20th century: these women live, eat, and sleep in the same room in which they receive their “clients“. Many among them lead a Nomad life, moving from one city to the next and one brothel to the next to offer the sex buyers “variety“.


Nothing pink pills quite like the reality that men objectify us to the point that they believe we are commodities to be bought from other men.

No. 466660

>>466638
this is extremely grim but thanks for posting, wasn't aware of this at all and I don't even live far from Germany. medieval serfdom-tier, absolutely inhumane and horrible

No. 466668

>>466638
I feel fucking sick reading this, and now I'm even more done than before with the "Umm it's the same as any job stop being so puritan aha" argument. It's actually disgusting.

No. 466675

A woman was raped, shot and set on fire, all because she won a rap battle.

https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/local/crime/article217140785.html

General reminder ladies, that male fragility kills.

No. 466692

>>465942
Well, finally transmen are saying something about lack of rep, but they'll probably be told to shut up, because they have "male privilege".

No. 466700

>>466451
Well I didn't say innocent, but I hurt a lot of people not all of them clients and I'd rather I didn't if only for my own mental health and risking blowback.

No. 466703

>>466183

Do you realize how stupid you sound? I almost think you're a scrot

How much money per hour would you want to mine coal? Versus how much would you need to suck a cock or take it up the ass? One exposes you to life long venereal disease, the other would on a rare occasion have a quick death your family can be proud of

No. 466705

>>466692
There's really no way for a woman to win with TRAs.
>be born a woman
>"you have cis privilege, trans women's struggle is worse and they need more attention"
>be born a woman and transition to male
>"you have male privilege, trans women's struggle is worse and they need more attention"

No. 466708

>>466638
>Women sell themselves
>How can men think we can be bought and sold?
Are you serious? Other than trafficking which is and should remain a crime, that's exactly what prostitutes are.

No. 466709

>>466700
I still fail to see how you can consider men who buy women as someone you have hurt.

No. 466710

>>466703
>A death your family can be proud of
What a disgusting post

No. 466713

>>466708
Crazy how women aren’t out there purchasing men in hordes, it’s almost like we consider them to be human. Wild. You completely missed the point of the post, women wouldn’t be out there selling themselves if men weren’t eagerly lining up to purchase them

No. 466715

>>466713
The reason women don't buy men is because we can get them for free dude, what "consider human" are you talking about?

No. 466717

>>466715
The argument that "women have their pick of men" makes no sense when a majority of men don't shower everyday, don't care about their partner's pleasure during sex and could kill you if you do something they don't like. It's not worth it.

Some women do pay for male escorts because of this, but from what I've seen (correct me if I'm wrong though), it tends to be middle-aged career women paying young men to go on dates and have sex afterwards. There's still an emotional, human component to this.

No. 466718

>>466717
Also, I'm pretty sure the few women who do the things you mentioned are nowhere near as fucking evil as men are about it.
Haven't seen any male escorts talk about their female clients beating the shit out of them and essentially raping them because they paid for it.

No. 466719

>>466717
I mean, sure most men are trash, but that really doesn't cancel the fact that we can largely get a half decent man to have sex with if we want, relationships are different of course. Also i have to disagree with your last paragraph, acting like paying someone to have dinner with you is somehow above just paying for sex is not really honest. Plenty of men use prostitutes for cuddling and shit, it doesn't make them less disgusting.

No. 466721

>>466715
You do realise that roughly half of all men that purchase prostitutes have monogamous partners, right? Or are you trying to tell me that somehow all of those men have dead bedrooms? It’s not about sex, it’s about power - just like rape.

No. 466723

>>466721
Being married doesn't mean you get sex anon, especially after you have children.

No. 466724

>>466723
Lmao are you REALLY trying to tell me that somehow all these men don’t get sex at home? I also didn’t say anything about marriage, I merely mentioned monogamous partners, this includes people that are still in the ‘honeymoon phase’ when sex tends to be abundant.

No. 466725

>>466724
Yes, but i doubt a lot of men in the honeymoon phase visit prostitutes. Also no, i didn't say they don't get sex, I said they MIGHT not get enough sex. The overwhelming amount of Johns are there fir sex not power, stop listening to that paedo Foucault.

No. 466726

>>466718
exactly, there are way fewer disgusting women who will buy consent from prostitutes than men. im also pretty sure there are proportionally more gay male escorts than straight ones too. and you will most likely never hear about multiple female serial killers who target male prostitutes the same way that there are multiple, still active male serial killers that murder, rape and mutilate female prostitutes. the fact is that someone who thinks they can buy consent views the prostitute as lower than human, they see a living breathing person as a subhuman object they can buy, which makes them dangerous.

honestly, i dont give a fuck about johns, they can rot in the gutter and in jail, its a shame that people target prostitutes instead of the disgusting men who buy them. if someone is such a worthless cumbrain that they will consider buying consent or abusing and borderline raping prostitutes over a lack of sex, then they legit deserve spend the rest of their life in prison.

No. 466728

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>>466638
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No. 466730

>>466725
Nevermind the fact that even if these men are supposedly not getting sex with their partner they are still cheating on said partner, which I’m sure the majority of people can agree is immoral. And being able to purchase someone’s body immediately puts you in a position of power, anon

No. 466731

>>466730
I am not sure what your point is anon, I don't like Johns either, I think they are disgusting people and never said otherwise. Also i never said they don't have power, I said that for the overwhelming majority this is not the reason they visit prostitutes, it's the sex.

No. 466732

>>466731
What is supposedly your point, anon? Because you argued that women can easily get sex which is why majority of clients are men, which I argued against by pointing out that plenty of monogamous men also use prostitutes. So what exactly are you trying to argue here?

No. 466734

>>466732
Well, as I said, people being in relationships doesn't mean they have sex. My point is easy to follow if you check the comment chain, it was that the fact women don't buy prostitutes is because we don't have to. Dick is cheap and easy to get, not fantastic dick, but decent one for sure. It is simple supply and demand. Men supply a lot more than we demand, while it's the other way for them.

No. 466735

>>466734
Again, what about all the men in relationships that do get sex?

No. 466737

>>466735
We don't know how many of those are like this anon so we are both guessing here. If I had to guess it would be that they are a small minority of the total Johns an in any case my point of supply and demand still stands. Men who do get a lot of satisfying sex have no reason to solicit a prostitute.

No. 466738

As someone who lives in a country with legalized prostitution, I've heard the following reasons for me hiring prostitutes:
1. The guy is a virgin and he feels like he's not a real man until he has sex. His male friends make fun of him for being an older virgin and women turn him down for the same reason.
2. He's ugly or socially awkward or both and says it's much easier to hire someone. These usually like to go on dates and get a "girlfriend experience", not just sex.
3. He's married and a piece of shit. He fucks prostitutes on the side because of the discretion. It's less drama than cheating with a normal woman.
These are the 3 most common reasons I've heard. Take it as you will.

No. 466741

>>466738
For men*

No. 466742

>>466738
1) I have never heard of a woman turning down a man for being a virgin, is this a thing in your country?

2) These guys are just as pathetic as number 3, women are nowhere near as judgemental as men, they could easily get a girlfriend if they tried.

3) Obviously disgusting.

No. 466743

>>466742
1. Depends on his age. If he's a teenager it's less likely. If he's an adult yes.
2. Yeah some of them have kinda high standards. They could get sex with less attractive women.
3. These are the worst.
On the positive side. Some men are hellbent on not hiring prostitutes even with all the pressure they get.

No. 466745

>>466743
Would you mind telling us what is your country? I can't fathom women here disliking a virgin here, hell I would love one, it would make our bond that much more special.

Good on those men obviously, it's so weird to me however that there is so much pressure to buy prostitutes.

No. 466746

>>466737
You know what, why don’t you just read some of the reasons men give for using prostitutes
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2010/jan/15/why-men-use-prostitutes

No. 466747

>>466593
More info: https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/wpuk-fringe-report?fbclid=IwAR2cUl_7j7HM77Uj4CXJWzR6PX12h8v14i3WMK6zvfwN38Q3YL7mTaQRix4

Looks like more people in the UK at least are waking up to how crazy and misogynist TRAs are.

No. 466748

>>466746
>Men making excuses and the female journalist being fucking sympathetic to their uwu struggles. Not sure what you want me to take out if the article anon, I already know men are largely disgusting and a lot of women are dumb enough to believe their abuse and bad childhood bullshit.

No. 466749

>>466748
>"Look, men pay for women because he can have whatever and whoever he wants. Lots of men go to prostitutes so they can do things to them that real women would not put up with."

Right from the horses mouth. Sure, this is just one John, but he’s probably not wrong. Even if men can get sex in relationships then they will still go to prostitutes so that they can do degrading sex acts, it’s not purely supply and demand.

No. 466751

>>466749
I mean, I am sure this is the case for some, but i still largely think these are a small minority. I dislike most men like most anons but it still makes more sense to me that the average man is more into sex than abusing women.

No. 466752

>>466751
Many men these days are into things like choking, namecalling and demanding anal, so are you sure about that anon? Are you really suggesting men’s violent tendencies don’t seep into their sexual fantasies?

No. 466753

>>466752
Samefag, but in their minds it’s not abuse a lot of the time, just a way to spice up their sex life. Cause, ya know, nothing hotter than being violent with someone who typically can’t fight back.

No. 466754

>>466752
I really don't think that thus is as common as it's often presented anon, although i guess it might be different with younger boys. I actually am into BDSM but femdom, so I am the one on top and in my experience being sexually excited by violence doesn't mean you like that in real life. I hurt my partners in bed but I dont condone real life violence.

No. 466755

>>466753
…one of the most popular sites for that sort of porn is literally called 'facial abuse'. They know exactly what it is, and they enjoy it because they are actively malicious and hateful towards women. They get off on abuse, specifically, because the idea that he can degrade and hurt us is arousing for them.

No. 466756

>>466754
>admits to hurting their partner
>”dont condone real life violence”
Is sex some sort of video game now, lmao okay anon. I’m not gonna bother trying to argue.

No. 466757

>>466755
I stand corrected, even men aren’t trying to deny that them abusing others is what gets their rocks off

No. 466758

>>466755
>>466756
Being into BDSM doesn't make you a bad person. Also to be fair, I am only ok with femdom not maledom. Women getting hurt is painful to watch, men are built better to take pain and abuse, it's only nature, they have stronger bodies.

No. 466763

>>466745
I'd rather not say the country, but I live in a mostly white area. About virginity, past a certain age some women would rather have someone who matches their level of experience, some don't wanna spend time training a beginner or they're just submissive and need a man to lead. Of course not everyone is the same though.
>Good on those men obviously, it's so weird to me however that there is so much pressure to buy prostitutes.
In places where prostitution is legal there's a lot of that. Men are socialized to make use of them. Older men are the biggest buyers and they put pressure on younger men to buy as well. My boyfriend says older men at his workplace even offer to buy prostitutes to younger colleagues who are reluctant to visit them.

No. 466765

>>466763
Ha, still strange to me, but it could be because I dislike promiscuity in general and like being in control. Also uuuugh at offering to buy someone a prostitute, how gross.

No. 466775

>>466763
>older men at his workplace even offer to buy prostitutes to younger colleagues who are reluctant to visit them

A friend of my partner has had men offer to buy him a wife at his workplace before, completely out of the blue in casual conversation

No. 466776

Lesbian posts funny meme to lesbian subreddit about not liking penis. Troons spam the comment section with BUT GIRLDICK

https://www.reddit.com/r/actuallesbians/comments/d9u22d/heteronormativity_be_like/

No. 466778

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>>466776
When did life become an anime

No. 466782

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No. 466786

>>466638
>they have to serve 6 men before starting earning money.
This is legal sex slavery.
If it stays legal they will need to form a labour union which will be a dangerous battle and in turn increase black market sex trafficking because the johns don't even respect the 'work' they demand enough to pay fair wages.

How can we ever hope to fix the problem of prostitution? On the other side of the spectrum FOSTA SESTA has pushed so many US sex workers back onto the street without eliminating the reason that these people needed to sell themselves to begin with, they've lost that layer of safe distance and pimps are closing back in. I still think something like the Nordic model is better than outright criminalizing sex workers, who are just desperately trying to survive, but that system is still flawed too when it gets too lax.
Everything becomes too radicalized too quickly.
It's important to recognize all that these women do to stay alive and support them instead of shaming them for it but when we started calling it empowering it became glamorized, teenage girls are really out here believing it's all about fancy clothes and girl power.

No. 466787

Feminism is going to go nowhere fast. Radical feminism is being flooded with liblites who hate trannies and think that fucking men and birthing sons is a feminist act and think that it’s acceptable to prolong women’s torture under patriarchy for a piece of the d

I’m so depressed about it

No. 466794

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>>466776
>>466624
When will troons start attacking men so we can finally get some push back?

No. 466795

So I just saw a mini art expo about women in brazilian contemporary art and literally 80% of it was transwomen.
Yay.

No. 466796

>>466746
>"I don't get anything out of sex with prostitutes except for a bad feeling,"
>yet many of our ­interviewees told us that they felt ­intense guilt and shame about paying for sex. "I'm not satisfied in my mind" was how one described his feelings after paying for sex. Another told me that he felt "disappointed – what a waste of money", "lonely still" and "guilty about my relationship with my wife". In fact, many of the men were a mass of contradictions. Despite finding their experiences "unfulfilling, empty, terrible", they continued to visit prostitutes.

Awww poor wittwe guys, feeling sad after buying and using another human being like an object, boohoohoo :((((
If the article's intention was to make me feel sorry for these men, it did a terrible fucking job, in fact it had the exact opposite effect. Maybe because of this shit:

>"I don't want them to get any pleasure," he told me. "I am paying for it and it is her job to give me pleasure. If she enjoys it I would feel cheated."

>one interviewee laughed and said, "Kill all the girls."
>Discovering the women were ­trafficked, pimped or otherwise coerced would appear not to be so ­effective. Almost half said they ­believed that most women in prostitution are victims of pimps ("the pimp does the ­psychological raping of the woman," explained one). But they still continued to visit them.
>One man suspected that an African woman he had met was ­trafficked ­because "she was frightened and ­nervous. She told me she had been tricked. I had sex with her and she seemed fine with the sex. She asked me to help her, but I said there was little I could do. She might have been lying to me."
>many believed men would "need" to rape if they could not pay for sex on demand. One told me, "Sometimes you might rape someone: you can go to a prostitute instead." Another put it like this: "A desperate man who wants sex so bad, he needs sex to be relieved. He might rape."
>"Look, men pay for women because he can have whatever and whoever he wants. Lots of men go to prostitutes so they can do things to them that real women would not put up with."
>many others admitted that they thought the women would be feeling "disgusted", "miserable", "dirty" and "scared". Ahmed said he thought the woman might feel "relief that I'm not going to kill her".

But awww we should feel bad for these men for (completely voluntarily) wasting their money and feeling a little ashamed afterwards. And of course no one brought up the possibility that it could be their own conscience making them feel guilty, and they're the only ones responsible for making themselves feel shitty.

>The worse thing here is the guit they feel - maybe this is the real problem. Should be prefectly acceptable for these men to pay for sex i fthey can't get in their relationships without having this destructive guiilt hype foisted upon them


Nooo, it's the SOCIETY'S fault that these men feel guilty about abusing other people!

No. 466797

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No. 466803

>>466794
Not to sound autistic, but that's a good image, anon. Did you make it yourself? Is there anywhere to find more like it?
I wish the "anime girl TERF meme" thing caught on more.

No. 466805

>>466803
Yeah I did. I also made the sailor moon says ones in the gc thread. I didn't know what to do with it so I just dumped it here.

No. 466807

>>466787
you sound unhinged

No. 466808

>>466787
you sound unhinged

No. 466824

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>>466794
Men don't feel threatened by troons, so they just mock their behaviour.

Nitpick: I think they'd dismiss this one as "school days is a male harem power fantasy, I don't like it", using series they actually like is more effective.

No. 466832

>>466824
Weren't the Starlights originally women in the manga?

No. 466834

Something that Marilyn Frye wrote that has always stuck with me:

"To say that straight men are heterosexual is only to say that they engage in sex (fucking) exclusively with (or upon or to) the other sex, i.e., women. All or almost all of that which pertains to love, most straight men reserve exclusively for other men. The people whom they admire, respect, adore, revere, honor, whom they imitate, idolize, and form profound attachments to, whom they are willing to teach and from whom they are willing to learn, and whose respect, admiration, recognition, honor, reverence and love they desire … those are, overwhelmingly, other men. In their relations with women, what passes for respect is kindness, generosity or paternalism; what passes for honor is removal to the pedestal. From women they want devotion, service, and sex.

Heterosexual male culture is homoerotic; it is man-loving."

No. 466839

>>466794
Men hate trannies, but they think women deserve the shit they get from trannies because of feminism. They think feminism enabled trannies and now they have fun seeing trannies poison feminism.

No. 466845

>>466834
That's what pretentious men write in poems and/or incel message boards about. Actual average men consider male friendship a silly diversion, will turn on each other the second it benefits them and fight tooth and nail not to have emotional connection with other men. Which is why you often get the girlfriend as therapist issue since they have literally never talked about their feelings in their life before and it all comes pouring out when they think a woman will accept them since they know another man sure won't.

No. 466849

>>466796
>kill all prostitutes and women
>idc if they're trafficked
>sex should be offered or we might rape
>sometimes I feel bad :(
.. Why the actual fuck are women defending that industry and especially defending the men that keep it going while they say this shit. God that's mortifying.

Remember also you can be the perfect loving wife and mother and guys will still cheat and look for pity for themselves
https://www.reddit.com/r/confession/comments/ahj6h6/i_regularly_cheat_on_my_wife_on_business_trips

No. 466853

Can we get some light hearted scrote mockery going? Here's a tiktok of a creepy man coming out as ~non binary. https://www.tiktok.com/@ryder.darelli_ff/video/6734556921329650949?langCountry=en

>I'm not gay, not there's anything wrong with being gay but i am non binary uwuww

No. 466856

>>466853
same guy,
>let me know if you want help coming out as non binary and i'll make a video for u to send ur friends and family explaining it~
https://www.tiktok.com/@ryder.darelli_ff/video/6739852516344810758?langCountry=en

adults who make lip sync tiktoks are so creepy.

No. 466876

>>466675
this is so fucking awful, I literally have no words. the audacity of the rapists lawyers to insist that their client was "genuinely sorry", how disgusting.

No. 466879

>>466845
>Which is why you often get the girlfriend as therapist issue since they have literally never talked about their feelings in their life before and it all comes pouring out when they think a woman will accept them since they know another man sure won't.
I can't really blame them for that, it's social conditioning, not really their fault. I can't imagine how shitty it must feel.

No. 466880

>>466876
It's a stupid move by the lawyer, but I can't blame him. Lawyers do what they can for their clients.

No. 466882

>>466876
isn't it their job to bullshit in order to defend horrible people? Never understood why anyone would want that job, unless they are shitstains who are in it only for money…

No. 466884

>>466879
It is part of their socialisation, yes, but women have a lot of shitty elements in our socialisation (basing your value on your looks, taking care not to seem "bossy" around men, competing with other women for male attention…) that we reflect on by ourselves and usually overcome as adults. Why can't men do that too? When I talk to grown ass men about their emotional constipation they act as if they've never given it a thought before.

No. 466903

>>466709
Not for selling them sex, for various crimes against them.

No. 466905

Does porn need disclaimers?

Just a quick 15 second where the actors talk about how safe sex works and what they are into and how it's not necessarily what others like?

No. 466907

>>466905
Well first, people in porn aren't hired to do what they are into, they are there to do what they are told. Second, porn companies hate the idea of promoting safe sex so much that even featuring something so basic as a condom is uncommon.

No. 466911

>>466907
This
The porn industry is twisted, they don't care to mention that you can't stick your dick in a random girls ass without warning and expect no shit, they don't mention that not all women squirt and the porn squirters are either peeing after drinking tons of water or squeezed water into their pussies and squirted it out, they don't mention that the violence in porn is underplayed but overacted, hence why many men think choking = choke her like you're trying to murder her or biting = bite like you're trying to rip skin off, they don't know that most women aren't going to orgasm within 3 seconds of fucking or that most women don't moan and scream every second they're being ate out

Porn really fucked up expectations for sex, not that sex has ever been really female friendly considering the boring jackhammering without foreplay in the 1800s but dammit at least men were satisfied and women could just sit there, nowadays women are expected to have a porn star body, squirt and orgasm on command, be into anal and always anal prepared (which can take days) always shaved and have no bumps or burn, etc and men still won't be satisfied

No. 466926

>>466794
They won't because troons are cowards when it comes to actual men.

No. 466933

>>466775
>A friend of my partner has had men offer to buy him a wife at his workplace before, completely out of the blue in casual conversation
Like some mail order bride sort of deal?

No. 466934

>>466884
Well, I have been saying this for years and I know it's unpopular here, but we have had feminism. Our struggles and issues were (rightly) heard and we can reach out for support. Men really don't have it, MRAs are antifeminist jackasses who don't do shit for men. Men need a masculinism of some sort, the poor bastards really don't have any way to deal with their issues in an organized and not individual manner.

No. 466939

>>466905
porn needs to be completely removed from society. if its not representative of real sex it only serves to destroy the way we think about sexuality. it's a negative to society and any normal person could simply jerk off to their imagination.

No. 466940

>>466911
i agree with this its so fucked up. because of porn most men cannot get off to regular sex anymore. it's pretty incredible how the average person can defend this when every year, the incidences of young men with porn-induced"erectile dysfunction" in sex w/ real women is increasing.

the one thing that exists to propagate society, the easiest thing to do, basically what humans are made for… is literally becoming harder because of porn. its fucked.

No. 466944

>>466940
Eh I'd say let them. It would be kind of funny for the human race to die out because males broke their own dicks with shitty porn and masturbation

No. 466946

>>466944
>males broke their own dicks with shitty porn and masturbation
They would never, ever acknowledge that. They already blame women for not being hot enough and pressure us to do whatever they see in porn, it's only gonna get worse.

No. 466952

>>466946
yeah but they blame women for everything, even the economy failing. They even think it's women's fault they're lazy and can't go to school and get good grades

No. 466953

>>466933
Yeah, because that guy himself bought a Vietnamese bride and apparently sputters the stereotypical nonsense;
- they’re more feminine
- don’t talk back
- more beautiful
- know how to be a good wife
- don’t complain
- aren’t feminazis

You know the drill, and then out of the blue just offers his coworkers to get them wives next time he’s on a business trip. With all the shit that men do on business trips I am now triggered by that word

No. 466954

>>466832
Yeah, as someone who read the manga first, I've always seen the Starlights as women dressing as men to better find Kakyuu, and Usagi/Seiya as a gay female relationship, which like……idk, Takeuchi is a big takarazuka fan, I think it's the most supported reading

No. 466955

>>466953
is he from the us

No. 466957

>>466953
sounds insecure and knows he's a shitty guy, I just feel bad that Vietnamese women are being forced to marry a clearly abusive and shitty dude

No. 466959

>>466934
Genuinely, anon, look into the history of masculinism. There's a good chapter in Susan Faludi's Backlash on the 1980s version. It's not pretty, most of it is MRA or MRA lite. I get your viewpoint, but honestly, the key to understanding the situation, and specifically why men don't "have feminism" is because patriarchy benefits them. It's not a system that fell out of the sky one day, it was specifically built for specific purposes, and men gain from it. I get where you're coming from but when you actually start looking into it, men aren't actually as punished for seeming emotional/feminine/w/e as you might think–there are many periods in history and moments in different cultures where things have been less rigid. There have been times and places where men fucking men was manly, where men wore makeup and showed emotion, where they did everything they "can't" today–and they were still on top. And to be honest, really think about how often men doing things you pity them for "not being able to"……is accepted and celebrated. The great works of literature and film and now TV are fucking full of Man Cries, is Weak, Holy Shit How Deep. I mean, jesus, one of the most famous scenes of The Iliad is Manliest Man Achilles being absolutely emotionally broken and succumbing to weakness and it's THE male hero epic. Even in the job market, men taking on "female" jobs like nursing get promotions and raises way fucking more. It's nowhere near as hard to be a man doing female things either in career or personal life as you might think, especially if he's straight.

I recommend reading up on Lundy Bancroft, both because his work is fascinating and because he went into his career intending to build the kind of "masculinism" you describe and he found that it can't exist, that abusive men often gain support and credibility by portraying themselves in "non-masculine" ways, and that the only thing he could really do the make men "healthier" and anywhere near their emotions was to accept that men do not suffer at all the way women do – that it ISN'T a "patriarchy hurts everyone" thing.

No. 466961

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>>466934
anon this is from the most liberal mens right movement on reddit. Men don't need MRA's
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/d1vjyk/ethical_consumption_of_pornography/eztj332/

No. 466963

>>466961
Millions of women out there willingly posting their nudes to the internet for free, millions of women out there willing to fuck for free, and it's still not enough for men and they have to creepily Photoshop women's faces on nudes. Nothing is good enough for men and they're too stupid and uncreative to use their imagination

No. 466968

>>466959
I don't know anon, I don't think you have the right idea. I am quite familiar with Bancroft actually, we did him in Uni, especially his work on abusers and we actually agreed that his views were tainted by dealing with the worse of men, which he generalised to the population at large.

I might be too emotional though, I am usually not that nice to men, especially here, but I read this article earlier today and it really broke my heart. https://jezebel.com/stories-about-my-brother-1835651181

I think you are viewing things too generally and not in a nuanced light.

>>466961
I don't go to reddit, but from what I saw in the thread you linked most were pretty reasonable? A low score post is to be expected I think, this is the internet.

No. 466970

>>466968
There must either be a dozen of you or you are that SAME anon who keeps insisting on throwing out the apologetics for scrotes on this thread

No. 466971

>>466970
Haven't posted here in days.

No. 466972

>>466968
>https://jezebel.com/stories-about-my-brother-1835651181
Sorry but what the actual fuck is sympathetic about a cliche redpilled manlet currycel who clearly based his entire belief system on what the internet told him to feel?
> And I learned that he had written an anonymous essay about our family published in a Men’s Rights anthology, in which he lamented over a society that values the “emotional pain” of women over the burden men have to provide for them. He complained that women were inferior in logical ability, and that women in abusive relationships are not held accountable for their decision to stay, while pressures upon men are overlooked and ignored.
>After his death, my dad shared an email with me in which Yush had cited the deeply misogynistic Red Pill constitution—a manifesto that claims “Feminism is nothing more than a female supremacy movement posing as one of humanist egalitarianism”—as relevant commentary on psychology and sociology.

No. 466973

>>466972
What the hell is a currycel? Sounds like a derogatory word for an Indian.
I felt really bad for how he grew to literally die from attempting cosmetic surgery for something so stupid and meaningless as height, as well as his devolution to these beliefs. I don't know anon, as I mentioned above, I am actually not that sympathetic, I mostly come here to vent. But the pictures of them as children and then older together really hurt, I hate the Internet and the fucking redpillers for brainwashing these vulnerable kids to their hateful and destructive ideologies

No. 466975

>>466972
Well now he's dead so lmao

No. 466976


No. 466978

>>466973
"x"cel is basically "whats stopping me from getting laid"cel. if they think it's their race (currycel/ricecel/blackcel), mental issues (mentalcel, autistcel).

No. 466979

>>466978
I am really getting behind on the lingo, guess I am getting old.

>>466975
>>466976
That's fucked up and you know it.

No. 466980

>>466978
I went on the incel wiki to figure out what 'cel' meant and I found this video

No. 466981

>>466980
So is that a wristlet or a thinlet?

No. 466989

>>466972
Although she probably might not know, I wish she went more into the Red Pill and MRA stuff. Hard to feel sorry when a well-liked, rich, and successful misogynist dies. If the surgery succeeded, what would he be saying about his sister and women in general now? I find it kind of hard to feel sympathy for these types of people (well, the ones past their teen years I guess) who get sucked into these online misogynist or Nazi ideologies calling for dehumanization and removal of people's rights just because they felt lonely or were upset with society's expectations (which everyone has imposed upon them). There are so many other outcasts and lonely people who try to deal with it in different ways than that. It just shows a lack of empathy and critical thinking right from the get go.

No. 466991

>>466955
Nope, Australia. Honestly this country is disgustingly misogynistic.

No. 466993

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Imagine calling yourself a "pro life feminist" when women being oppressed because they give birth is one of the most basic feminist points.

No. 466995

>>463909

this man is digusting and terrifying
poor kid

No. 466997

>>466968
lmao this 5'7" manlet already had girlfriends in the past, he was already rich and he STILL wasn't happy.
I bet he felt he was entitled to a hot blonde with a tiny waist and D cups.

No. 466999

>>466972
Wew. I'm supposed to feel bad for this guy? Let this have been a woman who wrote about how men are inferior in any way, and men in every venue would be calling her an ugly whore who deserved to die and jerking off to the idea of her corpse. I can tell from his outlook that he'd either be a part of that throng, or befriend/encourage them with no qualms.
It's a no from me. Fuck that guy. I love how we're the illogical ones, but he decided it was a smart idea to get leg-lengthening surgery because of one too many manlet memes.

>Our estrangement happened suddenly, but in retrospect, it was not entirely unexpected. As children, we were united by our otherness in a world of white, clinging to the culture of ancestors we’d never known. Back then, my family appeared an impenetrable unit. But as I became a woman, one who clumsily began to question and prod and probe the double standards I saw, my outspokenness cracked our solid fortress. In 2010, after I disagreed with a statement he’d made, my dad smashed a chair to pieces in front of me, screaming while verbally berating me, and threw me out of the house. In a separate incident in 2012, he smashed a plate over my head, which left a tender welt the size of my fist the week that I turned 26. What I saw as clear-cut cases of domestic violence, Yush viewed as a multi-faceted, complicated dynamic in which I was always the instigator. By refusing to fall in line, I was the problem.


He victim-blamed her for their father physically abusing her. No, no, and no.

No. 467000

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No. 467002

Do any of you guys actually have brothers?
>>466999
They were obviously like the best of friends before they grew up and society's pressures got to him. It makes sense she could forgive him.

No. 467004

>>467002
I'm not arguing with her forgiving him (she has her reasons), I'm against the notion that women as a whole should feel anything but contempt for this individual. He is not a victim of anything but himself.
She should've kept this story in her journal or private FB post where it belongs.
Once again, fuck that guy. I'm supposed to feel sorry for that bitch? I don't.

No. 467005

>>467004
Yeah who the fuck cares about some autistic manlet? He thought life was a math problem he could solve. Those aspies have zero emotional intelligence.

No. 467008

>>467005
Autism/Asperger's is no excuse, honestly. I've met tons of aspies that weren't shitty like him.
He was just not a good person, point blank.

No. 467022

>>466997
The article said he had multiple girlfriends, yet despite this I've already seen people crying about hypergamy and feminism being evil. What the author thinks is the main problem was that he felt like he was not living up to the American ideal of manhood and he was not given as much respect as his white peers. If that's true, then if people want this to change then this is a problem that needs to be fixed at a societal level, which includes men also reflecting and changing their behaviour. How were the guys at work treating him?

>Yush told me he was pushed out of the company he helped build with men he had thought of as brothers; the betrayal deepened a belief that he was not taken seriously, or treated with the same level of respect as other male entrepreneurs, despite his profound technical knowledge and general brilliance.


But somehow this is actually feminism's fault. I bet these guys crying about this story would resist any movements that could help and would be the first to scream about feminazi, soyboy, SJW, marxism, etc.

Either way I don't really care if some misogynist who victim-blamed his own abused sister died because he did something retarded.

No. 467024

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Hilarious how terfs (i.e. women who don't think putting on lipstick is what makes you a woman) are the worst people in the world but TRAs never even mention men who say things like this.

No. 467025

>>466973
>What the hell is a currycel? Sounds like a derogatory word for an Indian.
That's what Indian incels actually call themselves on their own communities. I wasn't using it to be racist towards him, just point out what an inceloid sheep he must be.

>I hate the Internet and the fucking redpillers for brainwashing these vulnerable kids to their hateful and destructive ideologies

The problem is that men are SO EASILY radicalized by hateful ideologies. They latch onto it so quickly and with so little hesitance that hatred and entitlement must fit incredibly naturally into their psyche. When women are brainwashed by the internet they tend to, for example, exhibit excessive sympathy for trannies, work even harder to appease and suck up to men, desperately try to change their appearance to fit in with trends and meet beauty standards. Not become neonazi women hating school shooters. Women get brainwashed too, but it's almost never hateful to anyone but themselves. Men externalize their hatred to such a degree that I can't blame the internet, it's just the way they work.

No. 467028

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but I’m totally not fetishing misogynistic stereotypes!

No. 467051

>>466999
>In 2010, after I disagreed with a statement he’d made, my dad smashed a chair to pieces in front of me, screaming while verbally berating me, and threw me out of the house. In a separate incident in 2012, he smashed a plate over my head, which left a tender welt the size of my fist the week that I turned 26. What I saw as clear-cut cases of domestic violence, Yush viewed as a multi-faceted, complicated dynamic in which I was always the instigator. By refusing to fall in line, I was the problem.

So he saw his sibling be physically abused and STILL considered himself the *~actual victim~*.
His sister is supposed to just accept being abused, but when his "FEEWINGS UWU" aren't accomodated then the logical conclusion is that society worships women and treats men like dirt? Very logical, yup!

No. 467081

>>467025
>Men externalize their hatred to such a degree that I can't blame the internet, it's just the way they work.

That's an interesting observation actually. What do you think is the cause?

No. 467100

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Men think they aren't collective-oriented, manipulative or childish. Every chance they get, they externalise blame on whoever is not part of their collective, they seek out communities that they run back to everytime they see something they don't like, they are moulded by the society they claim to hate, yet somehow believe they are above.

Now that we live in a society where it isn't necessary for a man to provide, they seek out make-believe escapism and childish past-times, like their bibeo games and animus, to the point where their lives are consumed by it. All they live for at that point is autistic cartoons.

If you were such a man, how would you cope with your de-evolution? Externalise the blame.

No. 467104

>>466968
https://www.reddit.com/r/Braincels/comments/dafhjk/the_jezebelcom_feminist_and_her_dead_manlet/
Incels reaction to the story. As predictable they went after his sister and her relationship.

No. 467118

>>467025
With the types of things men write in these online spaces though, past a certain point it's not brainwashing or radicalization but just being hateful because they want to and they can. They write some of the most horrific and hateful things with such glee and laughter (see /r/braincels for some examples) that I just can't completely put the blame on indoctrination targeting young insecure men, I think at no point should it go that far and it can only happen from their own free will. People especially the media need to hold these men personally responsible for their actions and stop crying about radicalization, "online pipelines" or the youtube algorithm or whatever. These people know what they are doing. And if all it really took was to find some forum or some youtube videos with false information and faulty logic to turn them into a full-blown male supremacist or Nazi , they probably didn't have that much respect for these other groups of people in the first place, therefore I don't feel bad for them. Or if men really do lack critical thinking and are just that susceptible to internet brainwashing to the point where they commit multiple mass shootings because of memes and infographics they saw on imageboards or reddit, maybe they shouldn't be allowed online.

No. 467129

>>467118
>men really do lack critical thinking and are just that susceptible to internet brainwashing to the point where they commit multiple mass shootings because of memes and infographics they saw on imageboards or reddit, maybe they shouldn't be allowed online.

This. I'd pose the question next time I see some bullshit online.

No. 467132

>>467104
They literally can't function unless they're attacking women. They can't even say a simple "RIP" for their fellow incel, it always has to be some tantrum about how it's a woman's fault, even one that actually cared about him. And of course they just ignore the fact that he had multiple girlfriends to fixate on his sister having a boyfriend they're convinced is too good for her or something. They're fucking pathetic.

No. 467140

>>467100

>Dat madonna-whore complex

No. 467143

>>466972
he sounded like retard. he was a goodlooking kid that wasn't an incel, became rich, went to
top unis, that 'made it', yet still found a way to victimize himself over delusional shit and demonize his sister, who was experiencing physical abuse. these retards never actually go after any of their actual oppressors, like racists or unfettered capitalism. his sister is WAY too fucking kind. i would just thank jesus his stupidass passed before his whiny bullshit turned him into a spree killer

No. 467144

>>467100
>subservient to men
>smile on any man's face

This is where they are wrong, women were NOT taught to be subservient as men as a whole and make them "smile" other than their potential future mates. IIRC wasn't this a recent development like in the 19th-20th centuries in Western society?

No. 467147

>>467100
>Had to have tons of female oriented mental asylums because of the mental damage it caused to women
>It worked!!! I swear!!! Back then it was rainbows and unicorns now wimninz are evil!!!!


Nothing men hate more than a taste of their own medicine

No. 467150

>>467100
What a snobhead. He probably abuses his girlfriend.

No. 467152

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Always choose a female doctor ladies

No. 467153

>>467144
That's not really a thing in Europe, a lot of people think this idea has origins in America's employee etiquette culture, where smiling at your customers is more enforced.

No. 467161

>>467152
funny how incels say never choose a female doctor

No. 467180

scrotes in relationships trying to justify how much porn they break their dicks to always makes me sad for their girlfriends. they can get what they want from someone who actually cares about them, but they choose to spend their time and energy becoming addicted to curated images of whatever weird fetish they've trained themselves to only cum to. sad!

No. 467215

>>466778
I actually recognize one of the users in the screenshot since I used to interact with him. He basically fit so many online TiM stereotypes:

>white

>also diagnosed with various mental disorders
>super radical left tranarchist
>keeps talking about how "gay" they are and identifies as a lesbian (even though he's dating another TiM)
>has a kawaii uwu piccrew profile pic that looks nothing like like him irl
>unironically talks about being a catgirl even though he hasn't watch an anime series in his entire life

I feel bad in that they came from a broken home and might have started identifying as trans to cope. However he literally makes everything about him being trans. For example, you could be talking abut something like the weather and he'll suddenly talk about how he can't wear shorts in hot summer weather because of dysphoria. Pretty much 75% this identity revolves around being trans and an oppressed minority–and how much it affects him personally.

No. 467220

i know i'm supposed to somehow fix my internalized misogyny, but i haven't really been able to do that since i learned about radical feminism? i don't want to feel like i need an incentive to do it, but women haven't been nice to me irl… ever and being in gc/forums or here doesn't help because of the infighting. i'm not stupid enough to blame women for all my problems, and i would never blame a victim. what can i do to further humanize women without feeling like it's a chore and i'm forcing myself? sage for possible ot

No. 467223

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/death-of-my-sons-i-loved-our-children-more-than-life-itself-he-saw-them-as-possessions-1.3454422?mode=amp
prolly got posted before but here's your daily dose of man hate fuel

>Like many parents, Claire Throssell carries her sons’ sports gear in the back of her car. Paul’s running trainers and Jack’s PE kit sit in the boot – but they have been there for a long time. For three and a half years, in fact – ever since the two boys were murdered by their father.


>“It took just 15 minutes for my life to end and my existence to begin,” she says as she recalls the events of October 22nd, 2014


>On that day, Darren Sykes, to whom she was married for 16 years, committed the most atrocious of crimes. In a pre-planned act, he lured 12-year-old Jack and nine-year-old Paul up to the attic of the family home with the promise of a new train set.But Sykes, along with Jack and Paul, only came out of the house in the arms of firefighters – who themselves were left severely traumatised by the scene they faced. Sykes had used five canisters of petrol, bought two days earlier, to turn the three-bedroom house into a blazing inferno. Although, it emerged later, Jack fought to save his younger brother, neither boy stood a chance. “What haunts me the most is that, as their mum, I wasn’t there for my sons when they needed me the most,” says Claire, (45), who works as a teaching assistant in Penistone, South Yorkshire.


>She was first wooed by Sykes, a carpet fitter, in 1995. “He sent me a single red rose every day for a fortnight until I finally agreed to go on a date. I was too young and naive to realise this was indicative of an obsessive and controlling personality that would dominate me for years.”


>Claire questioned how a father could do this to his children. She says, “In most domestic childhood murder cases, the father is the perpetrator. The attackers see the children as something they created and therefore have a right to take away.”

No. 467247

So all the trannies are freaking out and whining about not being included because Lana Del Rey said in an interview she makes her art to connect to women, and of course how can she say that when she knows she's got a huge LGBTQIABC fanbase?? Here's my question, if they considered themselves so determinedly that they are women (and sometimes even biological at that) why did they have to throw a hissy fit. Are they not being included in the term "women" because that's what they think they are?

No. 467251

>>467220
Human interaction is complex, at the end of the day, everyone is an individual who is shaped by their environment. You will meet both terrible men and women, as they are predisposed to certain behaviors due to how they grew up, and any underlying condition they may have such as narcissism or sociopathy. What we can tell you as radical feminists, is that men are more historically favored, and due to that, our culture reflects a tendency to "baby" men in social regards. It's why you hear phrases like "boys will be boys," why men act entitled when a woman rejects them, and sometimes, quite literally, they get away with murder. Men are more likely to be predisposed to severe mental disorders, like sociopathy or psychopathy, and violent tendencies in general, due to their innate biology: how testosterone affects the body. You are less likely to be manipulated in a way that will put your life in danger around women. Much of women's shitty behavior can be traced back to a male source if you think long enough about it, such as competing with each other. Women often put each other down, act like "pick mes," so that a man will "protect" them or at least treat them as equals (in theory, see: "not like the other girls"), because, again, men are more likely to be violent if you are not in good favor.

No. 467260

>>467247
sorry to bother, but can I have a link to the interview? I cannot find it.
Trannies are hilarious, shouldn't they feel included since ~trans women are women uwu~?

No. 467272

>>467260
Sure anon, here's the video of the interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3ezfOlDajM

I found it on thread on her forum
http://lanaboards.com/index.php?/topic/11018-lana-and-the-lgbtq-issue/

There's slightly more gay guys complaining about her """"erasing"""" them but you get trannies whining as well. Like you said, since they so desperately view themselves as women, why would they be offended. Lmao they just want something to complain about them because god knows they need the attention

No. 467286

>>467251
That's A bit ableist anon

No. 467289

>>466794
there is no equivalent of a "terf" for straight men despite them being responsible for 99% of violence against trannies. straight men are the ones who bully hsts troons in high school, they are always the ones who beat up troons for being troons, they are mostly the ones being openly twansphobic. do you see the same screeching towards them as they do with terfs? of course not.

No. 467297

>>467251
Very fantastic write up anon.
I wholly agree.

No. 467299

So what's the consensus here about TIMs and TIFs who were "Tarnsed" as children or even when they were Infants like Jazz Jennings, Kim Petras or the recent case of that 3 year old boy who was diagnosed with gender dysphoria because he liked playing with dinsey dolls over trucks

They are not women but they're not normal biological men in most ways either

No. 467300

>>467251
Men are more likely to suffer from mental conditions, but we have no idea if the cause is social or biological. You are sprouting pseudoscience.

No. 467301

>>467286
Lmao what

No. 467304

>>467299
A man in estrogen is still a man with a weaker body and dead sex drive.

No. 467306

>>467299
Still men, same as all other men that were abused as children

No. 467308

>>467299
they are still boys whose bodies didn't develop through male puberty.

No. 467310

>>467309
You could call them fucked up men I guess? For me men are adult human males, so trannies satisfy the definition.

No. 467342

>>467286
Sociopathy and Psychopathy are fucking dangerous. Even the most well meaning individuals with these conditions will lack some sort of basic empathy and will at mildest, suck at social interaction due to lack of consideration, or at worst, put your body in a dumpster. I have an uncle with sociopathy who killed his dogs by bashing their skulls in with a shovel. Watch an episode of homicide hunter, Kenda points out a huge number of violent offenders have some degree of sociopathy, and all the rapists on te show had a want to "punish women." Although I never explicitly stated people with these conditions were bad, I'll just come out and say it: Yes. they. are. I lived with one that beat the shit out of my mother and I. I'm sick of being gaslit into have to socialize with these individuals. I'm "ablist" I don't give a fuck.

>>467300
>we have no idea if the cause is social or biological
That's retarded anon. Rape has been a way for men to reproduce for eons, it's why women walk together to the bathroom, why many women orgasm during violent sex, even if she doesn't like it, because the vagina still lubricates to protect itself. There are studies on this. Women have been brutally beaten and raped for a millenia, and still are outside of most western nations. You don't see us lashing out like morons (when we should). This is why radfem needs to be separate.

No. 467344

>>467342
>if you stimulate someones genitals they'll get aroused, therefor rape is the main way humans reproduce
Literally the same pseudoscience redpillers go on about.

No. 467345

>>467342
anon, the it is natural excuse us exactly what red pillers use to justify the terrible they want to do. Stop giving them ammunition. The overwhelming amount of men are not like that, it's obvious that its not natural.

No. 467352

what's up with the tranny and incel belief that ~~even women are repulsed by vaginas~~? is it just sour grapes? jealousy? a coping mechanism?
in the case of retardcels, if you're a straight male and you think like this why did you form an identity over not getting pussy? if you truly hate them why do you care? autism?

No. 467355

>>467352
It's almost a kink in itself to degrade vaginas by insisting they are ugly or talking about how they are 'destroyed' when tbh vaginas are resilient and half of the sweet spots are hidden out of sight

I know a few of my straight female friends don't like the appearance of dick but it's the function that matters to them

No. 467369

Boomer men who get mad at teenage girls wearing crop tops because it bothers them but will have full fledged screaming fights with their wife and kids in public…

No. 467374

>>467369
It's all about control isn't it

Wanting to make the rules within your family unit and also wanting to dictate what random women wear

"if I ruled the world"

No. 467377


No. 467380

>>467377
Surprisingly more mature than I expected if this is a true story. Double standards are definitely there there, imagine if a girlfriend found her boyfriend in old harem videos, she would get told to get over it and the man would be marked as a king

No. 467402

>>467377
What is with men thinking that other mens penises somehow taint a woman forever?

I've had group sex twice and as a lesbian it's a non issue and nobody thinks I'm lesser or questions my morals or whether I'm 'dating material' because of it

I saw a whole lot of 'I wouldn't date her' in the comments

No. 467410

>>467402
Never thought I would see the day where anons would defend a woman who willingly had a gangback with a bunch of FrarBros

No. 467411

>>467377
This is just repackaged
>weeeeeh my gf had other penises inside her!
This is why women cannot be honest about their past sexual relationships, because even one or two penises was a couple too many. These retards think they're in a dick competition with anyone a woman has ever dated or fucked.
Notice how they never worry about if her former romantic partners ever treated her better. Like how often they took her out to fancy dinners. Or did chores for her.
They NEVER compare themselves financially or domestically to what other men did. No, it's always the penis shit. Because they're selfishly insecure.

No. 467413

>>467411
Tbf he knew already she had previous sexual partners and seemed to be fine that,he was just upset by the gangbang

No. 467415

>>467413
He's upset that she took the dicks at once instead of spacing it out between three or four relationships.
I'm telling you anon, it's all about the dick competition. That's why he sniffed out her fetlife to watch, because he wanted to size up.

No. 467416

>>467402
honestly, i've talked to my lesbian and gay friends about this. in same sex relationships no one gives a fuck about shit like how many partners you've had. it's exclusively a straight male insecurity

No. 467417

>>467410
Lesbian partners don't write me off as a person purely for having a history of group sex

Men are pissed that they can't control a womans sexual past

No. 467419

>>467416
I don't get how it's so easy to dehumanise your partner when you're dating the opposite sex but it sure leads to some of the comments guys made under that post, her whole value is lost just for having that sexual experience before meeting him

As you keep scrolling guys describe how seeing this vid will have given him PTSD and choosing a life with her will mean a lifetime of flashbacks.. guys it's not that deep. Look at your own porn histories lol

No. 467421

>>467415
I don't give a shit about OP and his insecurities I'm just concerned that y'all are defending a woman having a literal gangbang on a Pink Pill/radfem thread

No. 467423

>>467421
Is there such a thing as defending someone elses sex life? The thing with sex is it's personal and your own choice

No. 467425

>>467423
is fucking kids also personal and your own choice?

No. 467429

>>467425
Explain how raping children and having consensual sex with more than one person is the same. Quickly.

No. 467430

>>467425
how is that comparable?

No. 467432

>>467415
He spoke about them being athletic, few people picked up on that being an important detail.. can imagine he has their measurements in his head

>>467429
I'm the anon they replied to and I'm not even going to argue with stupid

No. 467433

>>467432
it's probably just a scrot. it's very scrotlike to compare pedophilia and women having group sex.

No. 467434

>>467430
It's not, if they need to get ridiculous like this they are really poor at debating a point

No. 467439

Obviously raping a child is much more irremandable then a woman having consensual group sex but still willingly having group sex is something no one should ever be proud of

I can't believe I have to say this having a gangbang isn't a feminist act

No. 467440

>>467439
Literally no one is defending a gangbang as feminist.

No. 467446

>>467425
>>467429
>>467430
Nigga you said sex is personal choice so by your logic anything "sexual" can't be judged. Re-word your damn sentence if it's a problem

I'm not gonna defend a woman getting gangbanged tf what is defense worthy about that? What does a woman get out of that?

No. 467448

>>467377
It's deleted. Anyone has a link to the original post?

No. 467449

>>467439
Nobody ever said it was a feminist act and the sudden mention of pedo sex was also completely off topic, can we stop reaching now

No. 467451

>>467446
You're tagging the wrong anons in your replies anon

No. 467456

>>467448
I don't have link but it was that they've been together a year, living together 3 months. She was open about the gang bang and told him. They'd both slept around plenty in past. He found her fetlife page and then found one of the fratguys. He found a vid of the gang bang with 3 guys on his profile. Some posters pointed out that to access vids on fetlife you need to pay a subscription fee. He's disturbed by watching the vid and wants to know whether to finish things. She does not know he went snooping or found the vid. He had the vid removed from fetlife after contacting staff

No. 467459

>>467289
Yeah, I don’t understand why online TiMs are so aggressively outspoken about their hatred for TERFs when radical feminists make up a minority of women and TERFs even less so. Newsflash troons: biological “straight” men are the ones passing lesgislation against you and assaulting you 99% of the time! Some random TERF online criticizing you for playing into sexist stereotypes doesn’t mean she’s literally committing violence against you.

They hate TERFs for being the biological women they can’t be, but they’re less likely to call out men for actually hurting them because they crave “straight” male validation > all.

No. 467469

>>467456
The points that stood out to me were that she was upfront about her past but then he went secretive when he snooped to find the profiles and then the vid

Then he had the vid removed and said he suspected she didn't know she was being filmed? But he also didn't tell her first so he reported it himself without her knowledge and he still hasn't told her, his only concern is himself and how HE feels about seeing the vid

No. 467472

>>467448
https://www.removeddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/dan4g5/i_29m_found_a_gangbang_vid_of_my_gf_33f_and/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

>I'll try to keep this brief. Dating for 1 year, moved in together about 3 months ago. 2 months ago we had a talk that started with exes in our lives, and long story short, I asked her what her history of group sex was. She told me she had a gangbang a couple months before we met with some strangers (frat boys) from fetlife. I think I played it cool at the time, and I wasn't exactly surprised since I knew we both have rich sexual histories, but it still bothered me.


>I went detective and got on fetlife, found her page, and found one of the guys who was involved. He had two videos of her getting gangbanged on his page. I don't think she knew she was being recorded - I contacted the website and had them take it down.


>But I saw the videos. Three athletic, extreme