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This thread is for the discussion of transgenderism / trans ideology from a gender critical and radical feminist perspective. It was originally created by Admin as an amalgamation of the TERF and Transgender threads.
Gender critical and radical feminism define
gender as sociological (feminine/masculine) and
sex as biological (female/male).
Woman is defined as an adult human female. Radical feminists seek to abolish gender as it is used by patriarchy to oppress women socially, reproductively, and financially. They strive to preserve women's spaces (such as restrooms, locker rooms, and health care providers) and areas of artistic and intellectual expression separate from men.
Trans ideology posits that one's gender is self-determined based on one's feelings and defines
woman as the characteristics and behaviors traditionally ascribed to females by society. Increasingly, transactivists are conflating gender and sex and asserting that a person can self-identify both gender and sex.
Gender critical feminists strive to maintain the distinction between gender and sex. The conflation of gender and sex erases the biological reality of women, eliminates women-only spaces, and disestablishes women as a protected class. Existing laws and legislation currently being passed around the world allowing for self-identification on legal documents do not differentiate between gender and sex.
The acronym TERF (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminism) is used primarily by transactivists and their allies to denigrate radical feminists and other women who express gender critical ideas. Transactivists portray TERFs as violent oppressors by virtue of their ideas alone.
Posts of related news and web articles are welcome. Posts of photos, videos, and blogs of transactivists for the purposes of discussion and critique are welcome. Please refrain from derailing, infighting, and ad hominem attacks. This thread is not intended for the general discussion of feminism, sexuality, misogyny, or misandry.
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No. 387276
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I look through before and after pictures of trans women and although there are definitely some ugly guys who transition,there are also some very good looking ones
Contrpoints is a good example
No. 387350
All right ladies, get ready for a masterfuckery of a shitshow I just read. The original text is in Finnish so I'm doing my best to translate and summarize the whole mess. This happened in Åbo Akademi, a Swedish-speaking university in Turku, Finland.
>An African Feminist organization, Sahwira Africa International, is demanding Åbo Akademi, particularly its gender research facility, to give up its racist practices>Dr. Faith Mkwesha, the representative of Sahwira is claiming that the leader of the facility, Salla Tuori has been preferring her white subordinates over others>Mkwesha tells that during the Christmas Party held for the facility, the international researches were asked to introduce themselves to the students. When Mkwesha did just that, a trans person present in the room demanded to know which English-language pronoun she uses to refer to herself as the Finnish language only has one 3rd person pronoun ("Hän") and it's used to refer to both genders.>Soon the whole group was demanding her to tell them her pronouns and Mkwesha saw the whole situation as humiliating, because the white doctorate student introduced before her wasn't asked to tell their pronouns. She let the group know that she was a post-colonialist feminist and didn't want to recognize her pronouns in a language that was forcefully brought to her country. >The group didn't accept her explanation, and they let her know that she was being transphobic. Around a week later her colleagues confronted her in a public space and berated her for being offensive and not showing solidarity towards trans people because she refused to tell them her pronouns earlier. >Mkwesha wrote an e-mail to her colleagues asking them to stop behaving so unprofessionally towards her. This only fueled the fire as she received 16 aggressive replies back, which she described as homonationalistic (roughly described as white countries expecting nations with lower development rate to have the same culture and ideas as them).>Mkwesha let her colleagues know that she felt this flood of e-mails was a racist attack towards her, and one of the recipients was shocked to tears upon hearing this claim. Mkwesha says that one white woman crying was enough to steal the attention away from the racism black women experience in the facility. TL;DR: A black African woman refuses to introduce herself with English pronouns due to issues with colonialism, gets told that she's being
transphobic. The original text is here if fellow Finnfags want to look into it more or translate additional bits I didn't go over.
https://www.reddit.com/r/FinnishGenderCritical/comments/azhb7h/%C3%A5an_sukupuolentutkimuksen_laitoksella_konfliktia/ It's crazy how racism was the worst sin you could ever commit just a few years ago, but now the absolute most heinous thing you could ever happen to do is to hurt a troon's feewings.
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It’s Pride Month in Wellington and as a part of that Out Wellington Inc. hosts a fair called Out in the Park.
We had our place at the fair confirmed in early February so we’ve been planning on attending for some time. We were excited to go along and show that it’s okay to be a lesbian and proud, but instead we’ve been banned because our kaupapa is not “inclusive” enough.
Festival directors Drew Hadwen and Karen Harris emailed us seemingly out of the blue rescinding our stall and invoice. They said that because they “welcome all people, groups and organisations who want to join with us to celebrate the amazing diversity and creativity in our LGBTIQ+ community” they can not have our lesbian feminist stall or “presence” at Out Wellington Inc. organised events.
https://lesbian-rights-nz.org/2019/03/14/getting-the-l-out-of-the-park/ No. 387415
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Wyley Simpson and his fiancé Stephen Gaeth were surprised to discover last year that Wyley was pregnant, as he had transitioned several years before and was taking testosterone. Due to his hormone therapy, his menstrual cycle had stopped – which led Simpson and Gaeth to believe that he couldn’t conceive.
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/03/07/transgender-man-gives-birth-baby/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6776865/Wyley-Simpson-transgender-man-gives-birth-baby-boy.html No. 387535
>>387415>>387482>>387488I do wonder how babies born from TIF's will turn out
The cxcess Testosterone from the hormones their mothers were taking before and even during their pregnancy will have dramatics effect on them
No. 387582
>>387482Have you guys read about the case of Mary Lynn Witherspoon? The son of an ex boyfriend became obsessed with her, stalked her for 20 years and eventually raped and murdered her. The son trooned out in prison and wants the state to pay for his SRS.
There's a quote that really struck my attention:
"If I had not been such an emotional basketcase I would have pled 'not guilty' and taken my chances with a jury trial," she wrote. "If I had been able to dress the way that I would have felt more confident, I would have been dressed in a cream-colored Chanel skirt-suit with a pair of 4½-inch spike heel Jimmy Choos and make-up."
Like this man literally became so obsessed with Mary that he raped and killed her but now he wants to basically become her. The whole thing is fucking nuts.
No. 387583
>>387582more details from when he killed Mary:
"Brown stalked Witherspoon for years, finally breaking into her home in 2003 to steal a pair of her underwear. Upon his release from prison later that year, he bound, raped, and strangled Witherspoon, resulting in her death. When he was arrested, he was found wearing a pair of Witherspoon’s slacks and underwear, and had purchased a pair of foam breasts and “women’s clothing” using Witherspoon’s credit card. He had also changed the address on his driver’s license to her residence. Although Brown pled guilty, he now claims he did so “under duress during an emotionally difficult time…likened to PMS.”"
https://genderidentitywatch.com/2016/04/21/edmonds-tennent-brown-iv-usa/Wtf is wrong with troons
No. 387595
>>387496The “pregnant man” from 2008 was the first time I questioned the whole trans thing. I was like, “WTF? If this person really considered themself male, the last thing they would ever want to do is be pregnant, give birth, and lactate, all indisputable female biological functions.” Back then, trans was very rare. I only knew two trans people and they were both chill. One was a TIM OG transsexual ultra-effeminate gay man who would never have dreamed of encroaching on women’s spaces or doing the whole “Suck my dick or you’re an evil transphobe and I’ll sic the whole trans Voltron (Voltrans?) on you to make your life a living hell!” thing to anyone, man or woman. The other was a TIF (back when only the butchest of butches, the ones who were often mistaken for men even way before transitioning, were transitioning) and was also mellow. I didn’t really regard either of them as their “chosen gender,” but they were harmless enough and I didn’t mind humoring them about pronouns. But these days the whole trans thing has metastasized into what we’re talking about in these threads, so…
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>>387656It horrifies me to no end how people defend something like Queen Lactacia/Nemis Quinn Mélançon-Golde, the 10 year old drag queen performing at sex clubs, by claiming that the people who think what he's doing is sexualized are the real perverts. Excuse me? If it was a 10 year old girl in similar clothing doing the same thing everyone would be undeniably saying it's a child being groomed for pedophiles. But when it's a ~progressive queer thing uwu~? Well that just makes it brave and amazing!
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Has anyone heard about what just happened in Canada? Vancouver’s oldest women’s shelter and the only shelter that exclusively serves female clients recently had annual funding from the city severed due to an ambush at city hall led by everyone’s favourite swamp-dwelling NDP Vice President.
https://www.thestar.com/vancouver/2019/03/14/vancouver-rape-relief-would-rather-lose-city-funding-than-include-trans-people.htmlBasically Oger and his cronies stormed city hall and signed up to petition for the funding to be cut. Vancouver Rape Relief has almost no time to defend themselves and were only able to send 1 rep to the meeting while Oger had a handful. It was brutal.
You can watch the whole shit show here
https://vancouver.ca/your-government/city-council-meetings-and-decisions.aspxSelect “watch meetings online”, go to March 13 and move the time stamp to 11:43:00
No. 387730
>>387727All because they wouldn’t let an entitled narcissistic man in a skirt volunteer in direct contact with rape
victims.
>vancouver-rape-relief-would-rather-lose-city-funding-than-include-trans-people.htmlMore like “trans people would rather spend a decade working to destroy a women’s shelter than volunteer at a different one” but okay
No. 387734
>>387730They'd rather invade a space for women who are rape
victims than invest in a shelter for trans women. It goes to show how much they don't actually give a fuck about "helping trans women" but instead continue to take away our spaces for their own misogynistic ego. Thia whole thing pisses me off
Watch more people hit peak trans
No. 387738
>>387734This guy wasn’t even looking for shelter himself, he wanted to be put in direct contact with rape
victims as a volunteer. Shelters screen anyone volunteering for such a position. IIRC he was offered a different volunteering position that wouldn’t put him in direct contact with vulnerable women and he refused. There were other shelters in the area who would let him volunteer in the position he wanted and he refused those too. Instead he chose to embark on a decade-long legal battle with VRR to drag them through the mud and drain their funds. Because that’s what people do when they genuinely want to help, right?
Transphobia or not, the fact that he doesn’t respect other people’s boundaries, can’t take no for an answer and is clearly incredibly vindictive are proof that VRR absolutely made the right call in not letting him have contact with vulnerable women. The fact that the media is trying to spin this as “rape shelter excluding trans people” is disgusting. They’re excluding a narcissistic piece of shit who enjoys hurting women. All his actions are proving them right.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06y51dp/episodes/downloadsThis podcast series on being Non-binary by desperately fame-hungry 'drag queen' Glamrou is pretty fucking hilarious to hate-listen to.
BBC!
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>>387695From what I've seen from a couple episodes of RPDR (the extent of my drag knowledge so don't yell at me please), drag is inherently sexual and a lot of it revolves around sex, glorification of drugs and alcohol, and other adult themes that aren't appropriate for kids to see, let alone participate in. Like on RPDR there are tons of jokes about sex. Am I misjudging entirely?
No. 387768
>>387765You're not misjudging. Drag might be a performance art, but it's generally a sexual adult one.
However, they usually do toned down shows when it comes to shows for teens/YA. I personally don't think drag should be done in front of kids younger than 14-15
No. 387773
>>3877385 bucks says the only reason these fuckers wanted trans to be able to apply as volunteers was as some sick form of validation for their "womanhood", not genuine need to help rape
victims. There are a billion positions in the world where gender doesn't matter, but these assholes wanted to infiltrate a shelter for
abused women, most likely women
abused by men. It's just a fucking power trip for them.
>>387741>>387765Also most people agree that child beauty pageants are sexualizing kids and find the dolled up 6 year olds uncanny, even though the girls are "just having fun". Those contests are even banned in France for harming the development of a child. Why would this be any different?
No. 387893
Looks like this thread got momentarily taken down hmmm
Anyway just wanted to post this:
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From CahpoTrapHouse
they often joke about turning "Fascists" into sissy bimbo's and having them raped
No. 388052
>>388050I don't care about the sissy fetish on its own but they always relate it to women. Like "i'm so dumb and vapid just like a woman haha!" or "I'm submissive and love sucking dick… like women do!"
Fuck off. Don't drag us into this. Sissy is a 100% male thing, women have nothing to do with it.
No. 388054
>>388052Sissy fetish isn't just male, it's THE most male thing. To get off on being emasculated you have to be a man.
I know plenty of women who get off on being dominant and calling the shots. I know lots of women who enjoy being "alpha" and muscular and strong. Don't know a single woman who gets turned on by being emasculated the way sissies do. That's a male thing. Ironically even though they think sissification makes them feminine, it's the malest thing of all.
No. 388055
>>388054It really just goes to show how misogynistic they are to their core.
The most humiliating, degrading, powerless thing they can come up with relates back to a twisted notion of femininity. The whole concept that a woman (especially one that fits into the notions of performative femininity) is nothing but a weak, stupid version of a man that exists only for sex.
It's just grotesque and disgusting. I feel like to many TiMs, "becoming a woman" actually just means relinquishing any real responsibilities in life and being a pretty hole to fuck.
No. 388071
>>388050>Oh god shush alreadycan we start saying this to them whenever they start demanding even more insane shit from us? talk to them how they talk to women lol
honestly, why do they pervert literally everything about women and womanhood, down to sleepovers, periods and hairstyles like pigtails? they don't know a single thing about actual womanhood and never will, not truly. i'd love to know why they make it all a sex/fetish thing. it's degrading and puts a gross filter over my own childhood.
No. 388104
>>387695
>the 10 year old drag queen performing at sex clubsAt actual sex clubs or do you mean gay nightclubs? Also you might be confusing him with Desmond who was filmed performing to songs by No Doubt and Hole.
KF has threads on both of them.
No. 388106
>>388080Your best avenue might be to find a local gc/radfem group and ask them, since many radfems are lesbians too. You could also join that gc reddit sub for real lesbians (I forgot which it was, most lesbian subs are full of men apparently) and see if anyone there lives in your area and knows about irl meetups and lesbian-friendly bars.
I hope you find something, anon. I’m straight but from what I can tell via LGB friends and family members, our local LGB scene has been invaded by TRAs too. The more “normie” people might not be up on the latest gender rethoric and make fun of tumblr sparklegenders but they’re still virulently anti-TERF and would rather excommunicate a lesbian than offend a straight man in a skirt. My friend’s boyfriend always seemed pretty sensible and down to earth but last time I was over at their place he suddenly started ranting about TERFs out of nowhere, equating them to white supremacists and saying they deserve to get beaten up like nazis do. It really took me aback but fortunately it’s relatively easy for me to avoid him.
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So I guess correctly identifying someone’s gender in your head is a thought crime
No. 388177
>>388172Calling someone certain pronouns the entire time you've known them, which could be years or decades and then suddenly having to change it is exactly comparable to instances where there's no established habit and you have no trouble re-categorizing. Gooooot it.
I really wonder if people like t his have any life outside of thinking up harebrained examples of oppression to write a twitter-essay on for their echo chamber to nod at.
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A spa I visited in the past had private optional clothing bathing areas for designated genders. I'm assuming clothing will remain optional with this unisex bathing area they've created. Yuck.
No. 388211
>>388189Gross, I swear to good troons and fakebois ruin so many things.
I recently went to a spa and it was such a delightful experience seeing everyone lay down and unwind.
Then, towards the end of my stay things started to feel tense once this group of fakebois came in one of the saunas. They sat in the middle of the floor looking like fools. It was obvious they were trying so hard to be unique and "meditate correctly" in front of everyone. I'm also pretty sure there was a troon in the jacuzzi tub as well when I first got there.
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sigh…
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they did it.
they removed funding from a rape crisis centre
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this troon won't stop lying and sperging out
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No. 388266
>>388172>What's up with all these cis bastards not indoctrinating themselves to believe in pseudoscience and an ideology not rooted on reality?!?!?!lmfao
>>388237Imagine hating women so much you want to cut funding from the oldest volunteering rape crisis centre in the country because they didn't allow your hairy ass in a dress to enter a space for
women abused by men. These people are purebred narcs, taking away female spaces is nothing more than a personal power trip for them.
>>388241>thathappened.jpg No. 388309
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Azealia Banks talking about being sexually harassed by TiMs she thought of as her friends.
With how much AB is willing to say about people, including gay men, I've noticed she never touches on trans-women in any sort of negative way. I wonder if she's hitting peak trans, but keeps it quiet so she doesn't get completely blacklisted from the industry once and for all.
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>>388310It already happened multiple times. She was harassed by her own fans for trying to discuss being sexually harassed and wanting a space for cis women.
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>>388309This has happened six times in her experience. Just think how often it happens in literally every other "inclusive, trans-friendly" space and all the women are told to shut up or accept it, or else they're
transphobic.
No. 388317
>>388309That's so sad. She says she will pay for a TIM's hormones, nails, rent, surgery but they repay her by sexually harassing her.
Stop supporting these parasitic fuckboys Banks!
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>>388318She's trying so hard to explain herself and even repeatedly calls them her "sisters" to make peace, but her TRA fans are not having it.
It's psychotic how much these people hate women.
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>>388321They won't, but with the aggression she faced just for daring to talk about this, she's definitely having her internal wake up call on TiMs and TRAs. IMO, all that matters is that more and more women open their eyes to how fucked up this all is.
No. 388326
>>388318>TiM starts talking about his "beautiful boobs" while a cis woman is ranting about being sexually harassed by themThat's some hardcore NPD talking there my dude
>>388319>C-CIS WOMEN DO IT TOO!!!Yeah I'm really scared of a 5ft6 cis woman slapping my ass compared to a 6ft man in a dress with a functional penis and twice the body mass I have. Jesus fucking christ.
No. 388328
>>388326That's the thing that really gets me. They
always play into the predatory lesbian trope. Always. "Forget that I'm a man, lesbians are the real creeps!"
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>>388327Sorry, no. I only saw all this on her Twitter after the whole thing seemed to die off.
I wish Tweets were still visible when quoted.
>I love my trans sistersThese aren't your sisters, AB. These are weird, sad men.
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>>388330Nvm, decided to look at the troon's Twitter page and found this.
https://twitter.com/try2unlockit/status/1107870543385026560He made some more shitty, dismissive comments, posted a message he sent Kim Petras to get him to not collab with her (honestly? good riddance lmao), and blocked anyone who called him out.
No. 388341
Thoughts? This shit keeps being liked by some people on my TF.
https://twitter.com/InkKatana/status/1107288462586200066 Can any biology-related person confirm ?
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>>388341https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testis-determining_factorThe stuff about XY not necessarily meaning male is true. It sort of irks me when gender-critical people claim that sex is definitively based on being XX or XY, because that's so easily refuted by this.
Using your chromosomes as a sex marker is still very much of the time
valid. Additionally, when the testis forming gene is present in XX individuals, that individual is going to be pretty much entirely male, and same for XY individuals in which it is absent.
No. 388347
>>388341One last point but that person brought up intersex conditions but intersex conditions are sex specific. Only men can have klinesfelters and only women can have Turner's syndrome.
This is the same tired argument that biology don't real because disorders and anomalies exist
No. 388354
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No. 388359
>>388346>I still simply cannot understand how trans issues became such a big deal that you can't say literally anything negative about it without being silenced. Because it's lead by men (albeit, mentally ill men pretending to be women). The ironic part of the trans community is that if it weren't for male privilege, it wouldn't have reached the heights it did.
A pack of sick, delusional men still have more power than women in any given society. Let that sink in.
No. 388364
>>388354>so I snap a photo of the employee without their consentstay classy
>>388359Exactly this, Bruce jenner is a classic example. 90 percent of the shit he got away with because he's still a man. he's a man pretending to be a woman, but he's a man.
No. 388427
>>388424>We already know cis men will never accept them as womenWe know that, but a lot of them don't realize this. They think they can bully men into it, the way they've bullied women into pretending to accept them.
So far it's worked for them. But if you read any troon community or forum you will see that once it's time to try and get a date or a relationship from men, suddenly they start hitting roadblocks and it kills them inside.
No. 388429
>>388393Quite the opposite. Reclassifying it as a physiological condition guarantees health plan coverage of medical treatment.
Gender incongruence has already been reclassified by the WHO for the ICD-11.
Gender incongruence, meanwhile, has also been moved out of mental disorders in the ICD, into sexual health conditions. The rationale being that while evidence is now clear that it is not a mental disorder, and indeed classifying it in this can cause enormous stigma for people who are transgender, there remain significant health care needs that can best be met if the condition is coded under the ICD.http://www.who.int/health-topics/international-classification-of-diseases No. 388438
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We have rapists and child abusers in this world getting off easy but let's involve police when misgendering occurs!
Twitter thread here:
https://mobile.twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1107779340723515392 No. 388440
>>388438This is the third time Susie Green has reported someone to the police for "
transphobic comments"
Start charging Green with wasting police time.
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finnish tervens… when you see it…
he did talk about moving in with his boyfriend on fb and had mentioned before that he has a finnish bf… does this mean…
No. 388507
>>388494That's exactly what I've done imo
I was a huge fan of Zendaya, but the moment she uploaded "protect trans kids" on her accnts i knew I had to let go of supporting her. (It's not like it mattered. She's fucking rich).
Now, I'm hearing that Zendaya's new show is gonna be starring a TIM named Hunter Schafer who's been transitioning since he was in 9th grade.
Imagine that, the entertainment industry going back to its roots by having males play female roles once more.
No. 388517
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Is it true that Keanu is dating (or engaged?! as some sites are saying) to this troon? If so, wtf Keanu
No. 388546
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>>388517I hope not, or else his standards are abysmal
No. 388632
>>388517Wtf I hate Keanu now
Pls don’t be true
No. 388635
>>388424>Is this "winning" for them? Is this what they want?Yes. They hate women. Taking over our voices, spaces and whatever their grubby hands can grab is exactly what they want. They know they're in no life-threatening dangers because even the trannies getting killed are black prostitutes and not white IT professionals, their endgame is to completely have women crawl at their feet.
>>388488Celebrities are always ready to go with any mainstream ideology to keep their career afloat. I doubt they actually believe in the shit they support unless they have a family member who's into it. At this point in time it would be the ultimate career suicide to speak out against trannies, I'm surprised Graham Linehan hasn't been detained for "hate speech".
Sort of related but maybe last year or so I was watching a TV panel show popular in my country, and at some point one of the hosts started screeching about troons and how self-identification laws should be installed right the fuck now. It came totally out of nowhere and it was so fucking obviously done as a publicity stunt. Completely made me cringe, especially after it received massive applause from the audience.
It was a Finnish program called "Hyvät ja Huonot uutiset" and the person who did this was Niina Lahtinen iirc. No. 388644
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>>388546This guy is on Sense8, a show Netflix tried to cram down my throat for weeks upon weeks. When I finally gave it a chance it was so tryhard, like they let a tumblr wokenes checklist dictate the creation of all the characters and their storylines. There were gay male main characters but of course the only lesbians (with the exception of the meanie terves harassing an innocent transbian at pride unprovoked ofc) were this TIM and his “lesbian” girlfriend. I looked up the creators and of course it was the Wachowski “sisters”.
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… if you say so… lol
No. 388781
>>388707They always hop into female spaces and start spouting how they're actually better than cis women. Then when women don't want them there they cry about the lack of support and ask where the sisterhood is.
We're expected to bend over backwards to accomodate them and send them endless compliments but they will come for us and insult us in ANY situation.
He is literally just attending a job interview. There was no need for the dig. He could have said "When you have an interview at Kate Spade and you're matching the mannequin." But no, lets' just drag some women down since they don't really matter.
No. 388787
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"I haven't swam with a vagina before! Does water like go up the hole by itself?"
Summary of the latest episode.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/i-am-jazz.52472/post-4453105 No. 388799
>>388787i actually feel so bad for him. hes still a child and yet he/his parents have completely mutilated his genitals and destroyed any chance of him ever having a normal life.
not to mention that even after all this he still looks so painfully bulky and male.
No. 388808
>>388802Don't they ask for your real ID or any other proof before giving you a scholarship?
Btw yes, I've actually thought of claiming to be a troon in order to open a gofundme and get some TRA money. Of course I'd donate half of it to some women-only charity, was thinking of Vancouver Rape Relief actually
No. 388809
>>388808There are a few that do it on twitter / tumblr for asspats and betabux and troons get secretly angry about not passing as well as who they think is a MTF (kek). Radfems could start doing this to avoid being banned on twitter and all they have to say is that they're post-op and don't show old pics because it
triggers their disphoria. Twitter and reddit is a hug box so if anyone calls you out they immediately get shamed.
No. 388815
>>388808I really wouldn't advise doing that just to start a kickstarter for your own profit unless you're prepared to own up to the lie oneday and accept whatever social (or even legal) consequences come with it. Also any GC points you have will be undermined by it until you eventually come out with the truth.
But if it's your ticket to a free education or something like that, then hell yeah, get it girl. They can't prove that you're not trans and you can always 'detransition' after
No. 388818
>>388815How would anon have to own up to the lie and have social and legal consequences? No one would be able to know who she really is and prove that she's not trans, and as far as I know gofundme doesn't share your real info… I've always seen a lot of scammers on that website, no one was doxxed.
Just make a twitter/whatever account, insert yourself into TRA circles, fish for attention, start ebegging for a bit and if it's successful, stick around for a bit more to say how "happy" you are and then disappear into thin air claiming you're leaving social media to enjoy your new life, focus on your job or whatever (or delete your account)
No. 388836
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A transgender woman threatened to stab a 10-year-old girl’s mother during a terrifying sexual assault in the female toilets of a Morrison’s supermarket.
Katie Dolatowski, 18, admitted grabbing the youngster by her face and forcing her into the cubicle before demanding she take her trousers off at the store in Fife, Scotland, on 4 March. She carried out a similar attack just weeks earlier, on 8 February, when another young girl using the toilet at an Asda store in Halbeath spotted Dolatowski using a mobile phone to spy on her over the partition wall.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/16/transgender-woman-18-sexually-assaulted-girl-10-morrisons-toilet-8914577https://www.theblaze.com/news/mother-blasts-sentence-transgender-attacked-daughterhttps://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/transgender-paedophile-hid-internet-searches-dxz772k9zhttps://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/832849/warning-as-transgender-sex-offender-placed-in-womens-hostel/ No. 388841
>>388818Exactly. If I decide to start saying that I'm a trans woman who passes beautifully, who's going to tell me that I'm not? The insanity is such that everything is self-id anyhow. Everyone in this thread is clearly a troon and we should all get free healthcare for our terribly interesting, self-lubing, self-cleaning, no-hairball-forming vaginas. We even have the strange ability to carry children in some mysterious pocket in our bellies, produce healthy food from our breasts, who knows what else we can do! Obviously, there needs to be more study into this extremely unique and clearly superior form of trans woman.
>>388788My mom couldn't take a bath for six weeks after her hysterectomy. More proof that these butchers don't care about the bodies of these kids.
No. 388854
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Way to feed into the societal expectations of beauty that real women work hard enough to disregard. Didn't we just have a hashtag last month celebrating noses of all sizes? Anyway, I get frustrated enough with all these dudes who manage to be given piles of money for various unrequired surgeries, but to specifically point out his nose? It doesn't even look that big , jfc
No. 388946
>>388836>It's just a bathroom, claiming that this would happen is bigotry!!! CIS WOMEN DO IT TOOOOOOOIf this isn't kafkaesque horror, I don't know what is.
>>388854People commit suicide over severe BDD all the time, why are you qualified to get free surgery instead of therapy the minute you claim you're trans?
No. 389012
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They really love doing that "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU TERF" shit huh. No matter how politely and respectfully someone brings up their point, they'll just start reeeing and blocking if someone doesn't agree with them.
No. 389049
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>>389025Wait since when has Kalvin been detrans? Still going strong with the trans shit on twitter at least.
No. 389069
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Was going down the article rabbit hole and stumbled on this one about low emotional intelligence. Seems like a lot of trans people fit the signs of low EQ.
No. 389189
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Took me a second to decipher what the fuck they were saying
No. 389198
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This is what desperately jealous sour grapes look like.
No. 389199
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>>389198Another troon's even more desperately jealous reply.
No. 389205
>>389126It’s disingenuous as hell. When they do want SRS it’s vitally important and saves billions of trans lives a week and should be fully covered by insurance or the state with zero waiting time or gatekeeping, but if they don’t want SRS then it’s forced sterilisation and practically genocide. Somehow both are true at the same time. They want everything they ask for handed to them instantly for free with compliments or else their human rights are being violated.
Japan’s system is how it used to be in most countries that acknowledged transsexuals at all. “Female” penises are a very 21th century concept.
No. 389211
>>389198>>389199You can never take the man out of the tranny. The violent rhetoric they spew reveals exactly what sex they are.
Who body shames like this when they don't get what they want? I think it's guys. Yeah. Pretty sure it's guys. I for one am very, very happy that Anastasia here will never, ever pass on his defective genes. Good show, my man, good show.
No. 389214
>>389198>>389199Did some handmaidens/libfems respond?
I'm imagining something along the lines of "oh, uh…that's not ver-very n-nice of you, you're totally female and I support you though, hahaha…" and "omg yeah we ciswomen drools transgirls rules, yass queen you go girl, am I cool by the way?"
No. 389221
>>389198>>389199Fucking christ what an ugly beast. That profile and the comments from other trooncels are what you'd expect from a typical misogynist. Hating women, hating vaginas, hating reproduction, hating women who have kids, periods and other bio things women experience. They say this shit and wonder why nobody wants them around
It's so fucking hilarious how they cling to men being into trannies are their ace card against women. When it's been shown how alot of men are first to shut troons down and push for this tranny agenda to end.
No. 389237
>>389198i think any straight man alive would pick a "worthless vagina" (regardless of look/smell/taste/everything else that's supposedly "disgusting") over the dirty stanky asshole of another man. and if you're a troon, you obviously want one of those "worthless vaginas" too… but go off, kek.
the bitterness and hatred of women is real.
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>>389198>>389199>>389225The amount of troon delusion never ceases to bewilder and amaze me.
No. 389310
>>389308Hey, drag is better than mainstream cartoon troons. At least drag queens are (mostly) gay guys who accept that they're male.
Obviously drag is… not the greatest, but I'd rather that than awesome trans gals
No. 389316
>>389311I have mixed feelings about it. And the intentions seem to be different from drag artist to drag artist.
Honestly the thing that bothers me the most is them referring to woman/femininity as fish. Feels like such gross slang imo. But I cant say im surprised since a lot of gay men are quite misogynistic
No. 389343
>>389311I don’t really have a strong opinion on drag. I don’t personally find it enjoyable but if it’s just guys having fun dressing up and making personas then whatever, I just don’t like when they purposely try to make a mockery of women.
>>389316What exactly do they mean by referring to women as fish? If it’s implying what I think it is…ugh
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Is it just me or do the "soft gay boys uwu" make up 90% of the TIF community ?
No. 389525
https://thespinoff.co.nz/parenting/04-07-2018/im-pregnant-and-im-going-to-be-a-dad/>Because I used a sperm donor and the first question everybody has asked, before their disbelief, has been “cool, who’s the dad?” Insert side-eyes emoji here.>"Hey, I have some news! I’m pregnant!”>"Oh cool! Who’s the dad?”>“Me, I’m the dad.”>“Haha no, you know what I mean, the real dad.”>“…..me. I’m the real dad.”>In other words, my pregnancy has become another excuse for the people around me to deny my gender exists in the same breath as they preach acceptance and allyship. Which, frankly, sucks, and I shouldn’t need to say it but it is the total opposite of allyship. No. 389550
>>389546I'd feel really sorry for a girl raised by a TiF. Imagine if your mom had so much internalized misogyny that she identified as a man. Wouldn't be great for the kids self-image and imagine how
triggered the TiF mom/"dad" would be when their kid enter puberty.
No. 389565
>>389559Yes? It's well known in these threads that there are crazy moms who encourage their kids to be trans, like Jazz's mother.
Imagine all that craziness combined with your mom getting her tits chopped off and calling herself Aiden. Fuck I feel so sorry for those kids, whichever type of TRA parent they get.
No. 389566
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>>389563Thanks anon, I got a brain aneurysm from this shit.
>Rough translation: Mother (the "enbie" troon) is in such a bad place mentally that she has to be committed, the kid's father refuses to take care of the kid's dentist visit because he's hungover and his place has been trashed by a weekend of binge drinking What a stable environment for the kid
No. 389573
>>389568Google
Kimmo Lust. Another deeply traumatized ex-sex worker woman who got caught in the nonbinary thing and has three kids. That Menniäinen person was far more spastic though, the other one is more of a tragic case than something to laugh at.
No. 389639
>>389525>I’ve desperately wanted to have a child since I was tiny, and I’ve known it was my calling that long too.yuck. it is not any woman's "calling" to birth a child.
>I’m finally at a point in my life where it’s actually a sensible move to get on with it – my degree should be complete at the end of next year,still in undergrad and getting pregnant on purpose. how sensible.
From her bio at the bottom:
>Scout Barbour-Evans is a takatāpui and transmasculine boy living in Dunedin.Why do all these people describe themselves as "boys" and "girls"??
Question for any kiwis who might be reading: Is the use of so many maori words and phrases an everyday thing in NZ or is it an overcompensating SJW thing?
>>389559I see posts like this here every so often and they always bother me. It seems like it's the same anon every time. Is there any actual indication that Angelina Jolie's daughters are twans or are you just
triggered by little girls who are tomboys and have short hair?
No. 389673
>>389670Kind of a sexist and shallow thing of me to say, but Shiloh would have grown up to be a very beautiful woman. Such a waste. Everyone is probably thinking after she transitions she'll look just like Brad but in reality she'll end up a tranny version of her uncle James Haven.
It weirds me out because she resembles my niece and I can't imagine giving a child hormones.
She'll end up topping herself or becoming another hollywood freakshow.
No. 389705
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Fakeboi got assblasted at the gay male flag made to piss off trannies because of m-muh inclusivity. News at 11. Someone said this was a troll flag created in 4chan to cause LGBT drama but I have no idea, it's still hilarious.
No. 389742
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Troons claim we terves "reduce women to their vaginas" and then go and write things like this.
>I need pussy in my life
>Dicks are the genitals I'm forced to be with
No. 389745
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Hating terfs? Bitch, that's so 2018. All radical feminists should die now.
No. 389748
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>>389742Turns out OP is a pedophile, too.
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>>389742>>389748This is the same creepy troon who tweeted things like this, and who admitted to stealing women’s clothes and ejaculating into them.
No. 389757
>>389742>”I want to have the immense validation of a cis lesbian telling me “I know your past, but it doesn’t change the fact that I still like you”,”>a cis lesbian“I know your past” how is it in the past if your dick is still there? There’s so much irony in this passage. A person with a penis wants to be seen and treated like a cis lesbian, but is not willing to fuck other people with penises who call themselves women, because it’s not validating enough. Almost as if even MtFs see being a transwoman with a penis as different than being an actual born woman… but still want to be the exception to this rule
>”I want the immense validation”Disgusting fetish. Prioritizing getting off on being seen as a woman during sex above all else. We love a contradictory kween, kek to the next dimension
>”I’m not saying this in a scumbag objectifying way”Rewriting reality, your mental health is showing
>”I’m fucking pissed they don’t recognize me as a lesbian, they see me as lesser”You won’t fuck someone with a dick, you see them as lesser
>Getting off with vibratorsJacking off to or being aroused by the idea of pretending you’re a chick is a fetish, not a gender identity
>”I’m not even looking to top!!”This is literally such male thinking, your penis is showing
No. 389764
>>389761Agreed.
Men really think their opinions are so important, like we're sitting here desperate for their approval. If only we had a man's perspective in a thread specifically for how much we hate men imposing their perspective on women!!
No. 389766
>>389756Rules are easily broken when you're a phoneposter thankfully.
>>389761Its frustrating seeing the same opinions all the time, its good to talk with people on both sides of an issue.
No. 389785
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Not like the other girls!
>Diverse, liberal
This girl thinks being a special snowflake makes her basically non-white.
There's a lot going on in this post KEK
No. 389902
>>389742If you want pussy then why don't you….
Stop being a TiM ..hopefully you haven't had any surgeries..
Be a straight male..
and date straight women??
No. 389916
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The top tweet somehow ended up on my timeline and at first I thought it was a parody by a misogynistic man. Then when I realized it was a fugly troon it all made sense.
>b-but they're not feshists!!1!
No. 389918
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Pic dropped.
No. 389920
>>389918Can you link the article, it seems like click bait. Kodak is disgusting though and has been sexually harrassing her. I remember awhile back he said that he doesn't like dark skin women because they are too tough and light skin women are "easier to break down," so it doesn't surprise me that he's rapey as hell. Sad that woman can't even be who they are without being harrassed for being "masculine," which I guess is somewhat of a gender critical topic.
https://www.miaminewtimes.com/music/kodak-blacks-comments-about-young-ma-show-he-doesnt-understand-consent-11122749You can watch her response in this video where she calls herself female.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BvKBvWcHMic/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet No. 389957
>>389952Unfortunately, even that wouldn't make men leave her alone. I remember the caps of a FtM on Grindr, she received a bunch of creepy messages from dudes who wanted to "fucked her in the pussy". On Grindr.
Moral of the story, nothing ever disgusts men. They even fuck TIMs.
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I thought this article might belong here, since they do mention that the previous creator was
transphobic.
Why can't "lesbians" (read: bisexuals who date TiMs) leave lesbians and their things alone?
Also the "new flag" is ugly as fuck.
https://medium.com/@lydiandragon/a-lesbian-flag-for-everyone-cef397b89459 No. 390011
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>>390005OP here. I found it pretty much the same way. I was looking for the lesbian flag and I ran into pic related on the image results. Maybe on the second or third line.
I thought it was some homophobic article. Turns out I was right.
No. 390021
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Ran into a Troon in the wilds of Facebook. The girl who posted shared some tumblr screenshot of a text story where a guy believed that all women had their period during the full moon.
Saw this troons comment and saw they were in a “gay” relationship. And honestly? Im just here to bitch.
No. 390047
>>390021The full moon thing is hilarious but how is it "cis-normative"? I swear troons always flip out when anyone mentions that women menstruate and always start mentioning themselves despite that the obvious major group it doesn't apply to is post-menopausal women. But we never see post-menopausal women or women with other medical conditions that make them not menstruate start selfishly whining over women who speak about menstruation as a female issue. Speaking about the female menstrual cycle never gets called anti-elite-athlete, eating-disorder-phobic, ageist, etc., just
transphobic.
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>>390047That’s why I posted it here lol. I just rolled my eyes - oh how sad for you a scrote didn’t oppress you congrats.
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They're delusional all of them
No. 390066
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Fucking delusional
No. 390091
>>389785>huge community of transwomenso, straight white men then? one time i tried to get involved with a dnd group that said they were mostly women but i go in there and me and the "nb femme" are the only females in the room. it's almost like they don't know how actual women in these nerd spaces get treated… also imagine unironically lacking enough personal agency and self respect to demand other people play along with your LARP. haha
oof.
No. 390097
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Why do they even try and spread the myth that a neovagina is more pleasurable?
No. 390130
>>390097Of course trans vaginas are better: they have teeth! What man doesn't like teethy vag?
Seriously though, they aren't. I'm not a specialist but from what I read it's far from "AL THE POSITIONS YOU CAN IMAGINE!!!"
Is penetration even pleasurable for a trans women? They don't have clitoris or real vagina, so why would it even feel god?
No. 390142
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This is the text.
No. 390147
>>390141They're men. They should know better than anyone that you can't shame men into doing anything they don't want to do (including getting into a gay relationship, but calling it something else), lmao.
They can't browbeat their own kind like they browbeat women.
No. 390150
>>390097.. Straight trans women and their retarded incels vs trans "lesbians" go
Idk which is worse. They both hate us. One wants to just eliminate all women and replace us. Another wants the same but also are entitled to us as sex partners
No. 390157
>>390142Oh I am laffin
"Glad I can see how you truly are"
You mean.. like a massive liar?
No. 390178
>>390097he's got to be a virgin to spout this nonsense. if he'd actually been with a woman, he'd know for sure that what he's pushing is garbage. it's laughable to know that they truly, 100% believe a literal gaping wound is no different, if not better, than real female genitalia. it's an insulting imitation at best, and as much the same as a child's shitty drawing of the sun is to the actual sun.
i've never seen a fellow man help them with their cope before though, how nice of them to come together once again to shit all over women and put us down for existing. /s
of course doofus incels like this would think that other men can do womanhood better, because mutual bitterness and hatred. the fact he doesn't realize that the vagina is a muscle that can accommodate different sizes without getting all loose and floppy is the funniest part.
No. 390201
>>390097I just want to add
Since he's probably a chaser aka tranny fetishist, I would guess he's not "a fan of vaginas" at all. He's helping trannies cope so he can cope with the fact that he's gay. I'd bet money the dude who said that knows his way around dicks and assholes more than vaginas and is in denial about the reality of that.
No. 390210
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Guys it gets better/worse
I didn't even realize that screenshot wasn't the full image. I just expanded it
No. 390214
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>>390210just googled neovagina and wow its mostly just studies about the disgusting reality of getting one
>Ultimately, studies reported on 1,684 patients with an overall complication rate of 32.5% and a reoperation rate of 21.7% for non-esthetic reasons. The most common complication was stenosis of the neo-meatus (14.4%). Wound infection was associated with an increased risk of all tissue-healing complications. So even when you get one you can grow hair in it, you will likely have to get back under the knife, foecal bacteria is highly likely to be found in it.
but like he said it's just better because it's just designed
No. 390217
>>390210"It gets wet like a vagina"????
No, it fucking does not. Penile skin does not have the ability to secrete mucus nor does male arousal occur the same way female arousal does. If anything that "wetness" is probably a mixture of sweat and urine. Fucking gross lmao
No. 390223
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>>390210"They make it perfect"
They suuuuuuurrrrreee do.
(NSFL)
No. 390225
>>390223Omfg I’m gonna cry TiMs are mostly shit but I still feel so bad for the ones who get surgery
Also the skin even still looks like a ballsadk and why is there 2 holes? D:
No. 390229
>>390227Is it to create a "clit" for them? You know the other day, I forgot where I heard some refer to their still intact penis as a clit?
Can anyone answer the 2nd hole question?
No. 390258
>>390141>>390142Ew, cotton ceiling creeps are literally the fucking worst. What is so hard to understand that some people don't like certain genitals? Most sane people would agree that if you don't have the right parts, you're out of the dating pool. Find someone that loves you (chasers lol) instead of guilt tripping people into dating you.
I remember an article about this one tranny that was getting tired of straight boys curving her, and she mentioned an idea of a law called "Give a a girl a chance" so that you'd have to go on a date with a trans girl at least once before dumping them. Literally state enforced tranny chasing.
No. 390261
>>390258"Being with me doesn't change your sexuality lol"
Yeah I mean my butthole is just like a pussy! And that dick and balls between my legs are feminine so if you play with them that's totally straight too LOL. In fact, it's not even a dick at all it's a clit. If I fuck you in the ass with my feminine penis/clit it doesn't make you gay/bi. I mean, some straight couples use strap-ons right? Same thing. Nothing here but a straight man and a straight woman LOL.
Oh you say you don't want to? Wow. What a
transphobic, woman-hating bigot you are.
No. 390276
>>390210Lmao this fucken incel.
You know who actually makes vaginas perfect? Fucking nature. Women are born with perfect (functional, healthy) vaginas 90% of the time. What does this asshole consider "perfect" anyway? It's like saying someone has "perfect" ears or "perfect" knees.
He sounds like he's trying to sell a car. Dude, this is a human being's body part. If transitioning is "personal" and "not a fetish", then why should what their partners think sexually matter this much? Let's go down the line on all this crap. First, the nerve endings are not even remotely the same: a neoclit is just a chunk of glans, whereas an actual clitoris is the same amount of nerve endings as a WHOLE PENIS compressed into a tiny membrane. Second, it doesn't get wet "like a vagina", it gets wet like colon tissue because that's what SRS surgeons use. The normal cells in the vaginal wall respond to estrogen to lubricate, which allows the vagina to vary its lubrication based on the situation (ovulation, sex, menstruation, birth, etc)- colon tissue just lubricates at the same rate all the time, and the liquid smells gross. "Sizing up and down" isn't true at all. Once a neovag shrinks, it can't go back- it can only be maintained at whatever size it shrinks (read: heals) down to. The whole point of different positions is to stimulate the anterior and posterior fornices- which men don't have. They just have a prostate (that usually is weakened by the HRT).
The period thing isn't factually incorrect, but the way he describes it as a "hassle" for him, the male partner, is really misogynistic. Oh boo hoo, your fear of blood prevents you from fucking a woman for five days. Meanwhile, she has to put with bloating, nausea, cramps, ruined clothes, and a whole host of other things. Fuck you, it's not a hassle for you, it's a hassle for her.
No. 390278
>>390223What quack did this surgery? Is that hole in his neo-fupa supposed to be a clitoris? That's… not even remotely where a clitoris is supposed to be. The clitoris is under the clitoral hood, which forms the vulva with the labia minora. For most women, the labia majora completely obscure the clitoral hood. The clitoris isn't just a random bump above the labia majora, the fuck. If it's supposed to be the urethera, then it's SUPER wrong. On normal women, the urethra is
below the clitoris, above the vaginal opening.
Here's a thought: maybe your surgeon should be someone who's
seen a normal human vagina before?!?! What madman "doctor" looked at this mess and said, "yep, that looks like a vagina"?
>>390263Cool, so legalized rape.
No. 390283
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how male. tfw people don't entertain your delusions and have sex with you so you have to kill them
No. 390288
>>390284I don't know what their dating life is like now and I'm not going back to their youtube channel to check, but I have a feeling now that they've had the SRS they will go into stealth mode and not tell straight men at all. Then we'll have another story like the one posted in a previous thread where the guy can tell while fucking them for the first time, or hopefully earlier for their sake just seeing it or touching it for the first time but yet they're still the
victim.
No. 390290
>>390284Yep, and those are just the rudimentary problems with dating TiMs.
The high incidence of cluster B personality disorders in troons makes them extremely
toxic partners for people with anxiety disorders, depression, or histories of abuse.
Troons often don't want kids regardless of whether or not they're still fertile, which is a problem for people who want kids. Adopted kids aren't often viable either. The whole NPD thing makes most troons unfit for parenting.
No. 390296
>>390210>size up, size down to fit the partnerProof these guys think we are just blow up dolls
A cis woman's vag uh…also does that? Because it's a muscle? It can even fit a baby out of it, or struggle to fit a tiny tampon…like a human mouth. It varies. Nope, women just have one fixed size in all circumstances, this guy is right
No. 390301
>>390142Putting myself in the guy's position in this situation, I'm a girl. I like dick ;D. The thought of eating out a woman out grosses me out, never even tried. I want a real dick vs any strap-on or god forbid one of those corndog looking FtM dicks.
I find a "straight male" I like on a dating site and agree to meet for lunch. We spend time talking, make time in my schedule to meet them it goes well then look forward to meeting them again.
Oh by the way, I didn't tell you this but I'm transgender FtM. I have a vagina. Bitch you just led me on, duped me, and wasted my time and no I won't go out with you again. But you call me the asshole? JFC these people….
It hurts a lot and has led to a lot of rejections but I have a STD (herpes). When I disclose depends on the situation because I can still make out and do things with a guy and not pass it. But I would never make someone go out of their way to meet me THEN tell them. That's just herpes but a different sex than what you say you are? That's just fucked up.
(;D) No. 390354
>>390333what about a gay male who is in a relationship with a TIF
would he be really in your opinion
No. 390375
https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/03/10/i-was-americas-first-non-binary-person-it-was-all-a-sham/Maybe there's hope for them after all.
tl;dr:
>pornsick TiM with mental illness resulting from childhood trauma calls in and demands hormones "or else I'll get them off the internet">he gets the hormones and an easy ride, documentation changes, etc with almost no one questioning him>he fires the one therapist who tried to get him to stop and called her a "gatekeeper", while the rest of the trans community agreed with him>3 years into transitioning, the fantasy ends, he realizes he can't "become" a female, and that biological sex is immutable>to escape it, he starts to call himself "non-binary" under the delusion of "bringing the third sex back to America" >everyone buys it, doctors agree to validate him, and he gets another easy ride, birth certificate changed to read "unknown" instead of male, etc >he gets mass support from LGBT groups throughout all this, until he speaks out against gender-confused children being mutilated and sterilized to "transition", and transgender people in the military>they all completely mute, freeze out and ignore him as a "conservative pariah">he swallows some hard truths, and by January 2019, reclaims his male birth sex, saying "Two fake gender identities couldn’t hide the truth of my biological reality." No. 390380
>>390333They care more about their fetish of being seen as a true woman and banging
totally straight dudes more than homophobia
And vice versa
No. 390580
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#justgirlythings
No. 390680
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The women were asked to leave after being told they were not welcome at the ‘inclusive’ event at consultancy firm Accenture’s head office in London.
The group, which included a journalist, a Labour Party activist and a woman who asked not to be identified for fear of reprisals, refused, telling organisers they had obtained tickets and had not interacted with anyone else in the room. A message was sent to ticket holders telling them it was open to 'everyone of all ages'
Tickets to the event were freely available to the public, with organisers Helena Pradip and Oliver Holmes of the Pride in Accenture diversity network sending a message to ticket holders which said: 'Please be reminded that this event is centred around inclusion, open to everyone of all ages.'
At the event, however, Ms Pradip told the women: “My panel does not feel comfortable with you here”.
The panel included Susie Green, head of transgender children's charity Mermaids. Hours before the event, Surrey Police released a statement saying they were no longer pursuing a case against Caroline Farrow, a Catholic mother of five after Miss Green had complained about tweets she claimed were
abusive including the misgendering of her transgender child.
Mermaids encourages the reporting of online communication considered to be ‘malicious and nasty’ as hate incidents. There was no indication from organisers Miss Green was responsible for the complaint.
Devout Catholic Caroline Farrow was accused of 'misgendering' by Mermaids CEO Susie Green. Police have since dropped their investigation.t
Other members of the panel included a transgender former police officer and the chief executive of Gendered Intelligence which offers support to the trans community and consultancy on inclusivity.
One of the officers who attended Accenture’s offices told the women: “Our legal framework here is to prevent a breach of the police and that’s what you guys are going to do. We’ve been told you’re being disruptive and you need to leave the premises or we will be forced to remove you.”
Dr Long, a researcher from London, objected to the officer’s use of “guys”, saying: “Did you know that’s a hate crime nowadays to misgender someone?”
Dr Long, 54, described the police response as a “complete disgrace” adding: “We were just sitting there having a quiet chat at an open event and were asked to leave with no-one able to tell us what we’d actually done wrong.”
Dr Long was involved in a protest at last year's Pride march by lesbians claiming their rights are being eradicated by demands from trans activists. In January, she challenged a prominent transgender activist in Washington who is campaigning to increase trans rights through Congress.
She added: “Almost every meeting women have tried to hold over the past year to discuss the impact on their rights of transgender demands has been met with protest and disturbance with police offering little to no assistance to ensure women’s safety. And yet within half an hour of receiving a complaint about a trans event seven police officers were dispatched because the presence of four women was considered a threat.”
Commander Jane Gyford of the City of London Police said: “Police were called by security guards of a private property on Fenchurch Street at 18.26 on Thursday 21 March 2019. The security guards reported a group of four people who were causing antisocial behaviour and refusing to leave the property. Officers attended to assist the security guards and ensure there was no breach of the peace.”
A spokesperson for Accenture said: “Our request was based on security concerns expressed to us by participants at last night’s events. Although an unfortunate situation, we made a polite request that several individuals leave the gathering. Upon their refusal, we sought assistance.”
The women are understood to be considering legal action against the police and Accenture.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/22/seven-police-officers-sent-remove-four-women-inclusive-talk/amp/ No. 390692
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Thread: A selection of images of a book distributed to all Grade 7 classrooms in Nova Scotia, Canada.
These students are 11-12 years old.
Transphobia: deal with it and become a gender transcender by j wallace skelton (2016)
https://twitter.com/turnthetide2018/status/1109089766082052097 No. 390703
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Rules for DSD/intersex athletes must not dictate transgender policy – here’s why
https://fairplayforwomen.com/dsd_sport/ No. 390708
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Declaration on Women's Sex-Based Rights
On the re-affirmation of women’s sex-based rights, including women’s rights to physical and reproductive integrity, and the elimination of all forms of discrimination against women and girls that result from the replacement of the category of sex with that of ‘gender identity’, and from ‘surrogate’ motherhood and related practices.
https://www.womensdeclaration.com No. 390724
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Getting upset over everything must be exhausting
No. 390727
this video is in the sidebar of this
>>390683 posie parker upload, along with a buch of other right wing conservative shit. I hate these people so much. I hate that our views intersect on this one thing (even if it's for different reasons) and that some people in our movement work with them. It's so frustrating.
No. 390739
>>390730This, and of course the correct answer has to be "don't worry honey it's totally straight, you're not one of those
lesbians". Funny how they say that it's not just
transphobic but also homophobic to call a girl in a lesbian relationship a lesbian, as if the word lesbian in itself is an insult.
No. 390808
>>390680Is there a website that keeps track of all that crazy TRA shit going on in GB?
TRAs there are happy to call the police about misgendering/radfems simply existing but will show up at women's events and harass them. There is been A LOT of that stuff happening so I wonder if there was some collected resource on it.
No. 390819
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old but still relevant
No. 390832
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>>390819you know what I may some flak for this but I will defend the 3rd dude(Dressing up as a Nazi) obviously beating up your partner is unacceptable but if my bf were to suggest doing this fantasy and role play I would be open to it especially if he got a proper uniform
No. 390833
>>390823I don't think the post was referring to SJWs, it just said "tumblr" and there's a big fetish community on Tumblr.
I have seen SJWs defending dd/lg kink though, which is as fucked as those kinks mentioned.
No. 390846
>>390837true I'm not German
I'm also a mixed POC and my bf is also a mixed POC but he's white passing and looks like a white guy with brown hair,green eyes and a strong jaw
No. 390848
>>390832>>390846Are you the same anon who shat up the radfem thread previously with your boyfriend-posting?
No one is asking you to "demurely kowtow and apologize for sleeping with the enemy", just….shut the fuck up. No one wants to hear about your boyfriend. No one cares if you're a ""mixed PoC"". No one asked about your fetishes. Degeneracy passes will not be handed out.
It's not socially acceptable, you know this. And honestly, it shouldn't be, which is why it never will be. Just keep that shit to yourself, or in a thread where it's actually the topic of discussion.
>inb4 "no, stop silencing other women! this is feminist because it's my choice uwu" No. 390856
>>390704>only males would be in glee at tearing down shleters for vulnerable women.Glad to read the outrage and disgust at this. More people realize what they're doing, more pushback. I'll be donating to the rape relief center soon.
>>390736B-but anon humans being a sexually dimorphic species is bad uwu and
triggering!
No. 390877
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Yoinked from r/gc:
>Paraphilic Sexual Interests and Sexually Coercive Behavior: A Population-Based Twin Studyhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26754158/>Recently I came across an interesting Finnish study that looked at self-reported behaviours of people with paraphilias. What they found is that transvestic fetishism - almost universal among non-homosexual TIMs - due to its correlation with various other paraphilias is associated with increased rates of all kinds of undesirable behaviors. For example, the self-reported rate of sexually coercive behavior was 18.5% for men, 3.6% for women, and whooping 28.3% for those with transvestic fetishism (the vast majority of whom are men). Voyeurism: 18.2% for men, 6.3% for women, 39.8% for those with transvestic fetishism. Those are the guys who are obsessed with women's toilets and changing rooms. Exhibitionism: 4.3% for men, 0.6% for women, 12.4% for those with transvestic fetishism. Sadism: 2.7% for men, 2.3% for women, 11.5% for those with transvestic fetishism. Looking at this, you would actually be considerably safer in a changing room with a regular man than with a TIM. As they conclude: "paraphilic behavior among young adults in the general population increases sexual offending risk." No. 390879
>>390877This is definitely r/itsafetish material.
We should all share this the next time a TRA or TiM insists TiMs pose no risks to women in public bathrooms, changing rooms, etc.
No. 390883
>>390877>Voyeurism: 18.2% for men, 6.3% for women, 39.8% for those with transvestic fetishism. Those are the guys who are obsessed with women's toilets and changing roomsWho is surprised? We could already tell.
It's good to have a stat to show to others though. Although TIMs and their allies would argue that uwu pure transgirls are different from transvestites.
No. 390974
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this troon I follow is transitioning but he’s been begging online for his woke facelift with that fucking haircut… what a mess
No. 391030
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>>390995afaik no but who can tell if he posts shit like this. here’s one of his more obnoxious begging posts.
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>>391030sorry, last one but here’s his sad tranny cone tits
No. 391044
>>388424"I have to ask. At the end of all this "TERF" screaming, what have TiMs gained from attacking and subjugating us? Where are the fruits of their labor and tirade? We women aren't the ones in control of society. Men are still killing, raping and invalidating them, not us. We were never the main threat, but they still focus on us the hardest. Why??"
There are studies (which I do have on hand, sorry) but these studies do explain that TIF are actually much less likely to be murdered than normal white men. They know this, they know that other men are not a threat to them. The only ones getting murdered are those in prostitution (who probably do not disclose to their clients that they're trans).
So yeah, from a trans perspective, the only people who are a threat to them are lesbians who won't have sex with them, and other women who refuse to go along with their delusion. Their biggest issue is getting women to have pillow fights with them and borrow lipstick.
No. 391050
>>391044We're a threat to their ideology, not a physical threat. The thing is that we aren't actually bigots, who are easy to discredit and can be used to garner sympathy. We're women, feminists, often lesbian and generally very supportive of gay rights and gnc people. Troons hide their predatory, fetishistic nature under a guise of being an oppressed minority and use SJW-fueled peer pressure to get their way, they rely on SJW support. But we actually have the ability to change their minds (unlike conservatives, the alt right etc), there are a lot of people who buy into transactivist lies but hit peak trans because of terfs having reasonable arguments. We also make people who are already questioning things more confident in speaking up. I don't have high hopes for us being able to suppress their lies because they are men and have rich, powerful backing, but still, there's a reason terfs scare them to the point of violence and aggressive silencing.
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lol
No. 391064
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Okay, I won't post more but I thought it was funny how so many of these troons lack self-awareness. Sometimes I go through the #girlslikeus and just have some laugh.
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Some girl I went to high school with spends her days in the house of a rich troon and dyes her hair like him constantly, they have the same haircut and dress the same.
Wtf she was a lesbian when I knew her
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No. 391080
>>391064I absolutely see a fucking man, Kristin. Bolt ons and a slutty dress doesn't make you a woman.
>>391066I deadass read this as "going vomiting" and felt the same. It looks like the combination of all the all the parody troon images the internet has put out. The fishnet stockings, the cheap ass aliexpress $5 cosplay skirt, the nerdy t-shirt and stringy pink hair. It's all there.
>>391071So which other niche group gets this much fucking validation and support? Like 0,001% of the population is diagnosed as trannies yet they get much more exposure than gay people, women, racial minorities, disabled people or any other demographic that was dealt the B class citizen cards. It honestly feels like it's fucking tranny celebration week all year long now.
No. 391082
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Have some laughs.
No. 391087
>>391071Is this real? It seems absurd to put a trans flag next to the US flag, as if it represents the whole country
This is like those "brand mimics meme and fails" type posts
>you love trans people right>so…how about this No. 391088
>>391082It's more concerning that their dog would be afraid of one of it's owners at all? Like pets usually make exceptions for their owners even if they hate other humans
What did you do to fluffy?
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>>391047They don't appear to develop beyond stage IV on the Tanner scale which is generally 1 to 2 years after menarche.
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And the number of threads on Reddit about tuberous trans tits is as endless as the tweaking of estrogen and progesterone levels in an attempt to achieve the perfect breasts.
Jazz' case appears to be fairly severe.
No. 391098
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Should Mack Beggs(TIF) be allowed to wrestle with boys in your opinion
she has been trying to compete in the male competitions for a while now but as of now barred from competing in the men's division, so even though she Identities as a Transman she wrestles in the girls division and dominates it thanks to the testosterone she's taking
but she's still adamant about wanting to wrestle with males
No. 391108
>>391071Oh for fuck’s sake.
>>391098She’s doping so in my opinion she shouldn’t be allowed to compete at all. Should’ve thought about that before going on hormones.
Though personally I don’t really care if she wants to wrestle men of her own volition, since unlike with TIMs in the women’s division she’s unlikely to irreperably harm her male opponents. The person most likely to get hurt is herself.
No. 391112
>>391080What actually makes it so trans issues have such a disproportionate amount of air time?
Is it just the case that trannies are the most extremely-online demographic?
I hate how often a person gets absolutely dogpiled on various online leftists spaces for making the slightest critique of trangenderism. It makes me exhasperated knowing that navelgazing around these issues will only help to further alienate any working class people /global south proletariate from engaging with socialist political parties.
No. 391114
>>391108>The person most likely to get hurt is herself.I bet she will be hurt
wrestling all those muscly young men being and having them pin her
No. 391117
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Why do I even go on /cgl/ anymore? Poor trans people, needing to pretend to have dysphoria to actually get treatment for dysphoria UnU
>>391112My theory is that they have so much power because their loudest members are the people who’ve always had the most power; straight white middle-upper class men. There also a lot of money behind the movement for pharmaceutical companies which makes it much easier to lobby politicians.
No. 391119
>>391071It blows my mind how much the West is focusing on troons and only them, even though they're now the most privileged ""minority"". You literally get more hate for being slightly twansphobic than you'd get for being openly racist, misogynistic or homophobic.
That's why the rates of people trooning out are absolutely exploding, any woman-hating incel is jumping on the bandwagon for this get out of jail free card.
No. 391123
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I'm quite new to tinder dating. Do you think is this cotton ceiling? I do not want to date trans and I rejected this person this is the message I get.
What should I say back?
No. 391127
>>391123Trying to reason with troons is like trying to play chess with a pigeon, anon. It will shit all over the board then strut around like it's won.
When troons bother me on Tinder or anywhere else I just say "Thanks but you're not my type! Good luck out there though!" and then ignore them. They can't accuse me of being a terven witch for that, even though we both know the real reason they're not my type.
No. 391129
>>391123Keep engagement minimal.
"You don't need to justify anything to me, of course. I wish you all the best, have a great evening."
Then block.
No. 391136
>>391127Or even better, on tinder you can just unmatch them, they won't be able to dm you again and accuse you of anything - even though I'm sure most people are able to clock them on sight and just swipe left in advance.
>>391123Don't say anything and unmatch.
No. 391137
>>391123This. Anything further that you say may be used against you. Just politely wish them to have a good day because nothing good will come out of this.
It's same with men on dating apps tbh, even though I try to as politely let them know that I'm not interested, they will still bother in hope that I might change my mind.
>>391136lel, I saw on r/transgender trannies complaining about tinder and getting banned or something. And they have the audacity to complain after not disclosing they're trans in bio but they get clocked anyway and surprised that others could tell.
No. 391145
>>391123Most people don't know I'm gender critical, so I avoid interacting with troons as much as I can. When they do approach me, I keep my rejections nice and vague but firm, the same way I would for a man I suspect will get violent if I provoke it.
Like already mentioned, saying 'You're not my type' is good. If they ask 'But how am I not your type?' just shrug and say 'I dunno, can't put my finger on it, you're just not I guess.' If they keep pushing you can say 'Why are you being so pushy? I said no, OK?'
Don't bring up the trans thing at all, they're manipulative and will twist words and move goal posts the moment you do.
No. 391161
>>391123Why do post op troons always feel entitled to someone's sexual attraction and feelings even if they are fundamentally unattracted to them?(pre op troons too)
>>391149Something something, trans women will get literally murdered if they don't pass, something something
No. 391199
>>391145Just wanted to say that this
>just shrug and say 'I dunno, can't put my finger on it, you're just not I guess.'is key. Troons are hyper paranoid about their troonery, so keeping them calm as possible is the best thing you can do. I know someone who had a similar experience and the troon escalated it quickly, though in her case this was a face to face situation at a job.
It's a smart idea to have a set of phrases one can say to them to de-escalate the situation because their first instinct is to go balls to the wall rage due to the narcissistic injury, which is not a pleasant thing to be the focus of.
No. 391206
>>391170What a creep.
Reply with something like "I don't feel we're compatible. Please leave me alone, you're making me feel scared."
Then block.
Hopefully you saying you feel threatened will shock the creep back to reality. If not, you can screenshot the conversation as proof of harassment.
No. 391207
>>391198I tried to say he (see the first pronoun in that post) but I slipped off because I've been talking to tran issues with my trans supporting friends lately.
Pic later if anyone wants
>>391199We basically talk and we decided to meet up tomorrow a few days back. However he came out to me as troon And I just said that's probably my type if we wanted to go further and asked me if it's genital that I was worried. He was blunt with me so I got a bit blunt back then he rammed me with this..
No. 391208
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https://www.comicsands.com/pennsylvania-student-transphobic-federal-complaint-2632370212.html?utm_content=inf_10_3759_2&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=GTAK&tse_id=INF_3ccdf1404f4811e9b433ab68d22425b2
has this article been posted? It’s batshit insane. And George Takei strikes me as a creep for that caption
No. 391209
>>391207Just curious, but was he particularly well-passing? (as in well-shooped, lol)
Of all the troons I've seen on dating apps, not a single one was unclockable enough to fool me into even just swiping right
No. 391211
>>391209I thought he might be troon after he said he likes moshpit (it's fun but as a woman I got pushed down fast) his pics but he could pass as a dumpy looking woman. It's mostly camera angle though
He's kinda 'could be troon but my aunt looked like that too' type. It's mostly the desc that lured me in.
No. 391222
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When you see a post or get an email like [pic related] from a company or organization you like and respect, do you hold your breath as you scan the photo and read the text in anticipation of being let down, and then breathe a sigh of relief when it checks out?
Do you put your money where your feminism is?
No. 391227
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This shit writes itself.
No. 391272
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Stunning
No. 391276
>>391268uhhh, and how exactly do they expect to be able to get a womb transplant? it's one thing giving someone a transplant that has the existing structure to support one that isn't diseased or something, but just giving a dude a working uterus won't be a thing for forever. that's going to be incredibly difficult. damn, tims are so simplistic and stupid. meanwhile, plenty of them hold prestigious well paying positions on account of being fucking dudes. the glass elevator is so fucking real.
we can't even reverse greying or balding yet but dudes expect to be able to have a functioning uterus soon, kek, ok
No. 391291
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Lmao @ "phlight"
No. 391297
>>391227And yet libfems will still defend pornsick men over women.. Astonishing. Wouldn't porn be
the transphobic thing for them. Trannies are literally a fetish in it
>>391276Biology and sexual dimorphism aren't troons friends.
No. 391304
>>391291>phlight>old adage warCan they just stop trying to sound smart?
Aside from that, at least this one is using his fellow (black) trannies as a weapon instead of bringing up black women as a way to liken his struggle to racism.
No. 391322
>>391258Why the fuck would they want to enter a discord with
cis lesbians anyway? Wouldn't that be too uwu invalidating :'(((( for them?
No. 391341
>>391112>>391117I think it's this and the fact that dudes (straight and white extra but really, all dudes) aren't and don't feel threatened by the trans movement. They're not vulnerable the way women are, esp. lesbians, but all women – both in the sense of "letting males into intimate spaces" sense but also, no one's spending as much time trying to convince men that actually, they're not a coherent group, and they have no shared history or movement, and "man" means "whoever identifies as a man" etc. Like, yes, I know trans men pull this a little more now, but lbr, they will never have the force and socialization will always keep them from doing it the way trans women do.
I know so many "good" "lefty" """"feminist"""" men to whom it's like being gay – "well who are they hurting???" and they're already inclined, even if they don't think they are, that women are hysterical lying crybabies and lesbians are cruel heartless bitches. So trans stuff asks nothing of them, and makes them seem like an extra good person if they support it. They stand to lose nothing and gain everything. Women are screwed over, but who's ever given a shit about that.
No. 391348
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Do they ever stop lying
No. 391350
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>>391071Even though I dislike Trump, I totally agree. The left need to get their shit together, badly.
No. 391368
>>391355Im pretty sure she means gender nonbinary female. She just isn't up to current lexicon on this stuff.
"Although I describe myself as transgender (I was donning flamboyant male costumes from early childhood on), I am highly sceptical about the current transgender wave, which I think has been produced by far more complicated psychological and sociological factors than current gender discourse allows."
No. 391381
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Inspirational quotes from tranny hookers.
No. 391408
>>391224A male feminist who shields trannies is a predatory creep? Color me surprised.
Personal rant: A twitter mutual recently came out as nonbinary. She's super feminine, likes traditionally feminine stuff, straight as a nail, specifically said that her "gender presentation doesn't decide her gender" so she's well aware of it too. She's in her mid 20's so she's not exactly a young twerp either. Will this crazy train ever stop moving?
No. 391411
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>>391336They're shouting "terf" like some sort of alarm signal and it's horrifying.
apparently the yelling TIM has assaulted somebody before, noice
No. 391452
>>391423I agree, but if i might add: most geeky no-life gamer women keep it hidden, it's not a trait commonly sought after. For troons though it's another part of the fantasy.
>>391348>physicallykek, never
No. 391462
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i've never rolled my eyes so hard. they put themselves above literally everything.
No. 391471
>>391322Because their NPD brains can't fathom the idea of not being included in something: everything has to be about them, everything. Even if they're not really interested.
If you made a group about people pulling grass off the ground and taking pictures of it as a hobby, and said the group was meant to be trans-free, you'd get a group of trannies out of your door picking a fight to be let in in a heartbeat.
No. 391556
>>391500>endometriosis>too women focusedWhat's next to target? Birthing classes and pregnancy groups too woman focused? Jfc
Tinfoil but who else was or still is suspicious about the whole drag makeup trends. Thick IG brows, full face, thick lashes, Kim K contouring and highlighting etc. It came up around the time tras really started to push themselves forward. But my theory is that it was all planned for women to start looking like made up men aka drag queens so troons would have a shot at not being so easily clocked in public. I'm talking about ones like Nikita Dragun and Eden the Doll. If women start to really push for natural plain beauty, they couldn't pass whatsoever.
No. 391571
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>>391556I'm seeing a lot of girls and young women in my city going back to a much more natural look. Drag brows are disappearing and there's so much less contouring and highlighting going on. It's definitely leaning towards pic related.
No. 391584
>>391462gender dysphoria is deadliest because of suicide rates or what? Also if they're going by suicide rates wouldn't schizophrenia be the 'deadliest'?
(sage bc I could be wrong but I thought schizophrenia had the highest attempts and suicides)
No. 391597
>>391584Around 40% of people with schizophrenia attempt suicide at least once, and the statistic is roughly the same for troons, so you're right, anon.
10% of people with schizophrenia commit suicide.
However despite information on how many troons attempt suicide being both widely available and commonly reported, I can find absolutely no statistics on how many of them succeed. At all.
For context, the mortality rate for anorexia is 20%. This figure includes both deaths from starvation and from suicide. Without suicide factored in, the rate is 10%.
Suicide attempts in anorexia patients, if you don't include the starvation itself, are on average 60%. So basically, the troon is wrong.
No. 391598
What does anyone thinks of this?
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-47706818/online-pornography-age-checks-for-uk-web-usersSeems like a good idea to me, trying to barr people from watching porn.
No. 391604
>>391600interestingly, the self-reported suicide attempt rates in the u.s and canada are 48% and 43% respectively.
in china it's 12%. now, china obviously has a huge stigma around suicide so that could be a factor but these surveys are all completely anonymous.
No. 391605
>>391604 double posting but another revealing statistic: among the 48% attempt rate for the u.s, ftms make up 50%. mtfs make up 30%. the remainder are non-binary, who are usually female.
guess which sex has higher suicide attempt rates in the general population? that's right: females.
No. 391620
>>391556I once had a troon have the audacity to tell me he wanted to petition the government to change the terms:
"midwives" to "midworkers"
"maternity wards" to "birthing wards"
"womens hospitals" to "family hospitals"
No. 391629
>>391627I was thinking the exact same thing. Midworkers would absolutely be the straw to break the camels back.
Then again, that gets said about a lot of things TRAs do.
No. 391638
>>391620i love that they petition so hard to get rid of female centric terms under the guise of it being outdated and non-inclusive, but getting rid of male centric terms is seen as a non-issue or a joke that nobody genuinely cares about, like the gingerbread person shit. it's like how they expect female bathrooms to be gender neutral, but nobody gives a shit about the men's.
i wish they'd just say what they're really feeling: they hate women and are bitter, nothing the handmaidens do for or give to them will ever be enough. they could take out their womb and hand it over on a silver platter and troons would still ask for more.
No. 391669
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>>391627hopefully you'll put paid to the notion of a troon catching your firstborn on the way out the door? they can't 'midwork' if you never hire them.
No. 391670
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HarryTheOwl has run afoul of the UK
thought crime law hate incident policy again.
https://twitter.com/HarryTheOwl/status/1110503943245688832 No. 391712
>>391707If only rape
victims had police trying as hard to catch and prosecute their rapists as they do for trannies getting their feefees hurt on the internet. I hope this bullshit doesn't spread to the US.
No. 391724
>>391423They think social anxiety = femininity points because girls are cute and shy right uwu It's also the root cause for a lot of TiMs because everything that can be considered as some sort of a weakness is seen as feminine, so when you have a quiet, shy man he just MUST be a pussy and a girl.
>>391600Wasn't the suicide rate meme conceived by a study that counted all
self-reported self-harm and self-destructive thoughts as a part of the calculated suicide rate? I remember reading the study and thinking to myself that the TRAs who shill the numbers from this one probably haven't.
No. 391730
>>391725I have an online friend from Yorkshire (same police force as the ones harassing that guy) who was raped by her ex-boyfriend. When she reported it they basically told her they couldn't do much since she hadn't had a rape kit done after it happened.
They can spend all day harassing people for not licking the boots of troons though.
No. 391740
>>391734Once it really hits the mainstream media and normie women will be exposed to the menstruator/womb carrier shit it'll be done for. For now it's mainly lesbians who have to suffer for this shit but it's going to leak over at some point. It's been going way too far way too fast with no scientific merits, it's not going to last. Like
>>391738 mentioned, it's very similar to lobotomy. It was also a money-grubbing medical practice that exploded in popularity and was enforced whenever possible, threatening everyone with the high suicide rates of mental patients who wouldn't go through it. Of course the press was telling everyone how it works 100% and makes the patient a lot happier, when in fact some cases gained brain damage so severe they couldn't perceive the outside work and kept being giddy. And we know how well that trend ended.
No. 391744
>>391741sage for blogging
It's something I lost a friend I had for years over. gay boy TIF (straight girl), not yet medically transitioned but she goes by the philosophy of 'people made mistakes too!', which is nice but she never owns or feel guilty of any bad things she did and it's always someone else fault.
The kind of type that go into keyboard wars and acting smug. But using 'I'm female-bodied' in an argument when it's convenient.
Yes, I hate how that queerlarping people got all attention and face no repurcussion when things stopped being trendy.
No. 391749
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"Trans women age better than cis women!"
Lauren Harries, 41, transitioned as a child.
Harries is the same age as Liv Tyler, January Jones and Sarah Michelle Gellar.
I'll let you come to your own conclusion.
No. 391757
>>391745I don’t think any western country is going to make it legal for them to rape women, regardless of mysogninistic we still are.
My bet is either
A) kids will be taken away from parents that refuse to transition them ‘for their own safety’ (while legitimately abused children continue to be neglected)
B) no one will be willing to fire trannies in fear of being slapped with heavy ‘discrimination’ fines
C) women begin to be phased out of pregnancy. And I don’t mean just the language like it is currently, but the majority of obstetricians, midwives, and sonographers will be replaced by either troons or just straight up men
No. 391758
>>391749Gross, who even says they age better? Lmao
Troons would say you’re cherry picking though
No. 391760
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This is him with his "husband". All troons should date amongst themselves.
No. 391761
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Nightmare fuel…
No. 391767
>>391749I don't know what I can say but his face came across as… very strange, like not really human.
And no, both 'cis' men and women look better at this age
No. 391770
>>391761>>391760So how does Sex-Work
does she a Use a Strapon and fuck him or dose he use his Penis for fuck her
No. 391773
>>391771Same happens to TIFs
a lot of female athletes in Eastern Bloc countries who were doping with testosterone suffered from complications in later life and most of them died when they were in their mid to late 50's
same result is expected to happen for TIF's
No. 391794
>>391776One common thing troons that haven't transitioned yet but neck deep in the ideology say is that they'd rather live a happy life hooked on medications and complications than to have dysphoria. But like you said, they really do look sickly and uncanny. Maybe if they can accept that, but I find it very tragic in a way you see shriveled down drug addicts on the street. Of course aren't they happy taking what they're taking?
It's just sad really, in almost a black comedy way.
No. 391800
>>391749Looks like a distant cousin of Jazz's alien grandma. ACK! ACK!
>>391760>>391761Christ, these pictures are scary. This is straight out some Junji Ito material. Look at his weird deformed body. The way it bends, the lump on his back… dios mio
No. 391836
Socially conscious beauty in 2016
>let's end photoshopping! >no more unrealistic body ideals! >any body can be a beach body! >ethically conscious products! Socially conscious beauty in 2019
> >>391798 literally IMVU! >I felt self conscious about my body so a realised I was a man! >lip injections and pad for the gods hunty! >this youtuber palette comes with a pound of sequins and plastic just as packaging do you know it's quality!Barf
No. 391841
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jk rowling is cringey for other reasons but she's based when it comes to tranny bullshit. so funny people are trying to cancel her for liking this post and comparing trannies in women's prisons to roosters in a henhouse when she's absolutely right. people try to silence gender crit women so hard. so misogynistic
No. 391845
>>391828I feel like homosexual trans ('straight') are generally saner than straight troons, they used to be the majority of transsexual until gendercult boom. May hold homophobic and crazy views but they feel pleasant and have actual social skills.
I'd rather not see them transition though.
.. I wonder why most straight troons (fujoshit included) nowadays look like they have no social skills and act like if real life is like anime and video games?
No. 391846
>>391798This is so low-quality. If you're going to go for CGI when it comes to anything professional, it better be high quality movie-tier or high budget video game shit, not your fucking IMVU character with a broken spine and mammoth hips. Final Fantasy level graphics or better. We're not so nostalgic for old Playstation 2 games that we even like the cheapest, shittiest graphics possible.
Trust trannies to have no aesthetic sense, I guess. And you just know that disproportionate, hideous body is what "Nikita Dragun" wishes he looked like. Only a pornsick AGPer would think that looks anything but grotesque, lmao. It's like he's been so deprived of some much-needed kink-shaming and embarrassment for so long, he thinks it's a good idea to use the avatar he used to have cybersex with neckbeards in MMOs for makeup ads.
No. 391856
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I don't know how much of this is true, but from what I've observed it's true that HSTS tend to pass better than transbians (they still look like troons, but look less gross than transbians). I wonder why
No. 391860
>>391834>>391828From what I've seen a lot of the fujo FTMs are gay only with other FTMs so it's just basically internalized lesbophobia&misogyny and coping. Like everyone knows a ton of fujos are lesbians, but the media mostly shows lesbians as boring butch stereotypes compared to the sassy quirky gay stereotype so young girls would rather turn into gay males like all the cultural icons they have at their reach.
>>391841I wonder how come she's otherwise so ~woke~ with her bullshit all the time but didn't go with the tranny craze?
No. 391869
>>391856I grew up in a place with a lot of HSTS TIM, troonbians were unheard of. I'd say it's partly true and while they can have overdone performative feminity and their kind of annoyingness. You can have an interaction with them like a normal human being and don't get creeped out for some inherent creepiness AGO have.
They tend to take care of their appearance more, that's one big difference when it comes to passing. It's sad they have to transition after all, it's a harmful worldview although a few years back a lot of HSTS generally accept that they were not 'real women'.
I don't know about average IQ point though. Why are lonely agp incels are so obsessed with IQ.
No. 391871
>>391860wouldn't that be bisexual? would an actual lesbian really be into watching two dudes banging?
you have a point and there are fakebois that fit into what you're saying but i think most of these fujos who troon out are autoandrophile and celibate straight girls who consume way too much bl they end up wanting to become an actual bottom gay stereotype. it's like these hentai obsessed weeb incels who think they are going to become a cutesy anime girl after one estrogen shot and putting on a dress.
No. 391876
>>391871>>391860Weirdly, the first fujo TIF I've seen is dead straight, always pinning for a cis guy and loves dick. For some reason she's recently got a 'previously straight' bf and I didn't know how that even work. They met in DnD group and how she told me she never thought people could like her so it's probably desperation on both side.
Lesbian fakebois do exist, but I feel like they're the more popular ones who latched on the trend for attention and not exactly the socially inept type that's closer to the majority of fujo fakeboi population.
No. 391881
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>>391856>>391879They also forgot about one of the most famous AGP TS
No. 391909
>>391882This is just straight-up cope. He
wishes the things he claims were the case, and because he sexualizes everything about actual women, this ridiculous fantasy came naturally to him. It's a form of self-therapy, at this point. "Those evil TERFs totally want to fuck me as much as I want to fuck them!!".
>You little TERF, I bet you wish you could be here, right at my feet, worshipping my body. I bet it’s all you think about as you sit on this website and watch your tr** videos and obsess and get angry and get wet and get sexually frustrated. I bet this video is a godsend to you. I bet you’re gonna watch it, it’s gonna make you come, you’re gonna get your panties all wet, and then you’re gonna go on Twitter and get mad because a woman like me made a lesbian like you come. (laughs) You’re pathetic.The fact that he attributes rage and dislike to sexual frustration just highlights how male he really is. It calls to mind that one screencap of the guy from the "sissy recovery" subreddit going on about how much he hates femdom, hates female porn stars and feels "raped" by them, even though he's the one who obsesses over them. It's nearly always men who have this psychosis where they simultaneously want to kill everything/everyone they want to fuck.
Unironically, this would only ever work on a man. In his bid to "own the TERFs ;)))", he's reminding us all why his kind are so disgusting and abhorrent.
No. 391949
>>391947He usually makes sissy hypno videos for men and other troons.
Because he's a man he doesn't realize that hypno fetish is a 100% male thing, and doesn't work on women. Seriously, I've seen women with all sorts of weird kinks but never ever have I seen a woman with any sort of hypno fetish.
No. 391963
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No. 391968
Sucks that a story like this comes from such a conservative source but I am still grateful the issue is gaining traction.
"The Equality Act sacrifices female safety in restrooms, locker rooms and even domestic-violence shelters."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-transgender-war-on-women-11553640683?mod=e2fb No. 392028
>>391973Of course, a fucking brony.
Why is it illegal to cull these kind of men?
No. 392124
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>>391968>>392104The Transgender War on Women
The Equality Act sacrifices female safety in restrooms, locker rooms and even domestic-violence shelters.
By Abigail Shrier
March 26, 2019 6:51 p.m. ET
It has become rightly fashionable to ridicule the idea of “safe spaces,” places where adults can hide and sulk like children avoiding ideas they find threatening. But women need actual safe spaces—not from intellectual challenge, of course, but from physical threat of harm from men. As a biological matter, most women are physically outmatched by men. Men are stronger and faster than we are, though we’re better able to tolerate pain and tend to live longer.
House Democrats introduced a bill this month that would outlaw safe spaces for women. The Equality Act—so called because, to put it charitably, Democrats excel at branding—purports merely to extend protections of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to people who are gay and transgender. Insofar as it would prohibit landlords from evicting tenants and employers from firing employees based on sexual orientation, it is no doubt long overdue.
But the bill goes further, proposing to prohibit discrimination based on “gender identity.” That claim directly competes with the rights of women and girls. Any biological males who self-identify as females would, under the Equality Act, be legally entitled to enter women’s restrooms, locker rooms and protective facilities such as battered-women’s shelters. This would put women and girls at immediate physical risk.
Because courts typically interpret Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 according to the provisions of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, amending the latter would alter the understanding of the former. Biological boys who identify as girls would gain an instant entitlement to compete on girls’ teams in all 50 states. No more democratic discussion of accommodation, competing interest, sacrifice and fairness. No more debate about whether we should really allow girls’ scholarships and trophies to go to male athletes who were unable to excel on the boys’ teams. No more discussion about whether it’s right to allow, as we have, biological men to pick off championships in women’s and girls’ powerlifting, cycling, wrestling and running. These emergent public discussions would be locked away in a vault of civil rights.
Part of the reason women have been reluctant to object to these incursions into their hard-won rights has to do with embarrassment at acknowledging our biological differences, which some leading feminists have denied for years. But women are biologically different from men, as the chromosomes in every cell of our bodies readily testify. (How absurd that this is necessary to point out.) And one source of many of our physical differences resides in our glands.
Boys undergo a testosterone surge during puberty that is 10 to 40 times what girls experience, conferring lifetime physical advantages: vastly greater muscle mass, bone density, more fast-twitch muscle fiber, larger hearts and lungs—all things that provide absolute and unbridgeable advantage in strength and speed.
As long as women had their own safe spaces, such disadvantages never mattered much. But that may soon change. Not because women and men have changed, but because of the progressive left’s sudden rush to strip girls and women of separate facilities, sacrificing their rights to a group a notch or two higher on the intersectional pecking order. As Kara Dansky, media director of the Women’s Liberation Front, put it to me, the Equality Act would eliminate “women and girls as a coherent legal category worthy of civil-rights protection.” It would do so by redefining the category of “women” to include “women and those who say they are women”—which means women and people who aren’t women at all.
Activists typically counter this argument with the claim that men wouldn’t pose as men-who-believe-they-are-women unless they sincerely believed it. There are too many taboos, and the transgender life is too hard for anyone to want to fake it, they claim. But under the Equality Act, pretending to be transgender would sometimes be rational.
It doesn’t strain the human imagination to picture a male convict renaming himself “Sheila” and heading for the women’s prison. Nor would it surprise anyone if rapists began to “identify” as women—no physical alteration is required to change your gender identity—to gain free access to women’s showers. What pedophile wouldn’t want open access to girls’ bathrooms? And many a biological man with no place to sleep would prefer the quieter, gentler confines of a shelter for battered women to the dodgy enclosure of one for homeless men.
Are there sincere transgender people who ought to be accommodated with appropriate facilities? Of course. But their need, however real, doesn’t justify the immediate transfer of the hard-won rights of women and girls. No comparable sacrifice is asked of boys and men, who are unlikely to feel threatened by a biological woman in the restroom. No top male athletes are likely to lose competitions to biological women competing as men. Only women are made to sacrifice for the sake of this new “equality.” And what women and girls are being coerced to cough up isn’t an unfair privilege but a leveler they require.
The bill is unlikely to become law while Republicans control the Senate or White House. But this isn’t the first time the Democrats have introduced the Equality Act, and it won’t be the last. It’s a proposal worth taking seriously because it provides a glimpse of the left’s willingness to sacrifice women and girls to those wolves in sheep’s clothing—transgender or not—who would take advantage of them.
Ms. Shrier is a writer living in Los Angeles.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-transgender-war-on-women-11553640683 No. 392164
>>392163They're desperate for something, anything scientific to point to. They don't care that there's no real point to be made about human gender identity in regards to other animals changing sex, they just need something to cling onto.
Granted, you could use the "it's natural" argument for everything from rape to shitting in the street, but people still fall for it anyway. That's their main goal, is to make people believe that gender reassignment is more than just wish fulfillment.
No. 392173
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I brought an e-book called the Trauma Cleaner without bothering to read the blurb. I didn't realise it would be a troon's biography/life story. This is how the writer describes the troon. The book is filled with exaggerated descriptions of how gorgeous the troon is..
No. 392176
>>392163>There is not a single direct parallel to transgenderism in the animal kingdom at allThere is such a thing as sexual mimicry, which is rare but does occur in some vertebrate species. It generally functions as a strategy for weaker males to avoid detection by or to pacify more aggressive, dominant males and for them to get access to females for sneaky mating. Sound familiar?
Of course this is totally different from what TIMs are doing when they demand access to women's prisons, shelters, changing rooms, support groups etc. Completely different. In fact, the biologists who describe this behaviour are surely crypto-TERFs trying to slander the brave and stunning.
No. 392187
>>392062His jaw and mannerism are a dead giveaway. They all have this creepy exaggerated way of speaking and moving, like they're trying to be as feminine as possible that in the end it just seems like a parody of women, since real women don't do that. If they behaved like normal people they'd be less obvious.
>>392159It's going to get better, anons. A lot of people are starting to wake up and speak up compared to, idk, 2 years ago. As the trans movement shows its true face and gets bolder, more and more people finally realize the sham. Trannies always shoot themselves in the foot, and you can only manipulate people until you cross a certain line.
No. 392205
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Look at these transphobic videos Youtube keeps on suggesting me… smh
No. 392236
>>392211>>392221I think there are two different types of trannies making these arguments, and both are retarded.
Type A believes in brain-sex (a scientific falsehood) and will defend its existence. They generally claim to believe they were a woman born in a man's body. They will act in stereotypical female ways to try and pantomime what they think women are like.
Type B is absolutely saturated in postmodern ideology and wants to actively destroy most sorts of social structures. Hence why they call themselves "women" while wearing sportswear and rocking a full beard. Why should they have to shave or wear a dress or act feminine when "cis women" don't have to do that to be women? These types don't even pretend to bother with the science bits. Questioning them on why they believe they're a women will result in a nonsense word-soup that probably amounts to "I am a man who pretends not to be a man for woke points online, something something destroying patriarchy, something something I fuck more lesbians than you. Read theory."
Type A and B probably both watch shitty cutesy quasi-pedophilic animes cause they're both cumbrained men. Not sure which is more worthy of disdain, personally I think it's Type B because they are less mentally ill and more just playing a weird manipulative game, but that's just a subjective opinion.
No. 392290
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Here's a bit of good news
No. 392293
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>>392290Sob story on his Instagram.
So much entitlement.
No. 392656
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He deleted the tweet so I stole the screenshot from another site. He thinks he walks into a locker room and we don't immediately balk at the sight of his male body?
No. 392657
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>>392656Who does he think he's fooling?
No. 392666
>>392656This motherfucker is delusional. Just because someone doesn't point at you and yell "THAT'S A MAN, BABY!" like you were in a movie it doesn't mean they didn't clock you.
>>392293You started this game of bullshit twitter reports, other people can play it too. They're just following the rules. Live with it.
No. 392704
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>>392656>>392657>People are generally SHOCKED to learn I'm translmao
No. 392708
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>>392293his account is back. this is the tweet he was suspended over. He replies to the other troon to reiterate that when he says this, he does mean it literally.
No. 392709
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I signed into audible to use my monthly credit and this was the first thing I saw. Why are they showing me this?
No. 392711
>>392709Troons have a retard concept of gender lmao. Literally if you can't handle the sex you were born as, something is mentally wrong with you and you need therapy.
I think a lot of trans people deal with high anxiety and give into it rather than seeking help on how to control it. They think transitioning is the quick fix, when in reality recovering from an anxiety disorder takes years. Their case isn't unique.
Sort of OT, but I'm in a Facebook group for people who are trying to recover from anxiety. There was one woman who recently said she was dealing with intrusive thoughts and the one that started scaring her was the thought she's having bad anxiety is because she's trans. Obviously, it's just an intrusive thought and she's aware because her reaction to it is fear, but I'm wondering since a lot of troons have autism, if that affects their reactions to intrusive thoughts.
No. 392714
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hahahahahahaha
No. 392744
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https://twitter.com/RockCandyGames/status/1109218048270049287?s=19This entire thing is a mess but I noticed something funny. There's two characters in the game who are trans. One is white. The other is desi, which means they were more than likely forced to transition due to desi countries being homophobic. But it's progressive!
No. 392746
>>392714>chinatsu>waifudisgusting, she's in
middle school. and why do these fucks think having the same name means you're close, at all?
No. 392768
>>392744Now it got me think
I find it funny that they say 'inclusive' and diverse, troons and genderspecials non-binary are almost clone of each other in term of personality and their lack of touch in reality. The only thing that diversify them is the label they choose for themselves.
It's almost like astrology at this point of people thinking these labels mean something, but astrology is less dumb because they don't ask for law and media to cater to them.
No. 392791
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My TIF cousin just posted this.
I had recently discovered GC feminism, and wasn't shocked to find out I agree with most of it. But when I had no clue what it was, I basically narrowed done trans ideology to respecting people's pronouns and that the world is changing.
I still call my cousin by her preferred pronouns - when I'm with her or discussing her with other people irl, but I no longer think I can communicate with her with my ideas about transgenderism changing. Not only that but she mutilated her chest, so she's too far gone for me to talk her out of bottom surgery or the harmful effects of continuing Testosterone.
I dunno should I progressively ghost her or just stick around to see if this trend dies out and people have finally got some sense snapped into them.
No. 392796
>>392791unrelated but I hate how Bart Simpson has become deep character for "sad boys" who pretend he's deep
also Sadbois dont even have to be boys i know a "cis" girl who has that exact bart profile pic
No. 392804
There's some stuff on Twitter about how Alexa had a "day of trans" "voice of Trans" which is just a regular male voice, meant to represent a FtM, the "voice of trans" offers to tell its algorithm-approved stereotypical "trans" story like a character in a children's book.
I think people on Twitter are trying to be offended, because while it's shitty and dumb that that exists, commodifying a gender identity is…exactly what women (aka cis females) put up with from the day we are born. We are used to sell products, we are offered as prize and incentive for men to achieve, or behave, or incentive to earn a lot of money and thus be supplied with "babes" or trophy wives. Our bodies and personalities are used to sell products, but also to deride, laugh at, mock, control. We are stereotyped, assumptions are made about us, and apparently only when Alexa, the female robotic servant, had a "trans" voice did MtF become horrified at the concept of being a commodified servant, able to be controlled and derided by cis people without any means of defence. We'll just ignore the fact ALL of these robot servants coincidentally are coded female, Alexa, Siri and so on.
Trans related corporate shit like that is just equality for them, but the response is of horror and confusion.
Being commodified is part of the deal, part of being female, and it's interesting that only when corporations started to try and profit from trans identities did this concept occur to MtF, despite their "female" brains surely reaching that conclusion well before now.
No. 392809
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>>392714>ashley >madisonuhh
No. 392855
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Those crazy eyes…
No. 392860
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>>392855What the fuck is it with troons and psychopathic eyes?
No. 392898
>>392895The tim isn't even trying to pass. He's literally a man wearing a pink shirt.
And the girl isn't either. She's talking about how she's GNC but look at her.
No. 392917
>>392895Unpopular opinion but I didn't hate this.
I went into this ready to ree about clothing stereotypes and gender norms, but honestly this video was pretty sweet. It's always nice to see any couple examine their feelings toward each other (even if it's in front of a camera so there's a little posturing and signal virtuing). Even seeing the nonbinary one saying that they feel like a mother or misgendering their partner was refreshing and miles different from the cutthroat state of intersectional politics which you usually see on twitter etc.
But then I'm on the softer side of GC, I really don't mind people just living their own personal lives in a nonstandard way, my GC concerns lie elsewhere.
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>>392917I really don't care how they want to live their lives either but I still can't stand guys like this. He wants to be objectified like a woman and reclaim faggot? Even his girlfriend knows he's a man. It's ridiculous. There's nothing special about heterosexual relationships. They'd be happier if they just grew up and stopped pretending to be something they're not.
No. 392950
>>392925Exactly. If they had just gone into this acting like a normal heterosexual couple I wouldn't have any issue with it, because that's what they are.
But as soon as the man said he called his girlfriend his boyfriend, it got stupid and just went downhill from there.
No. 392976
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So why did everyone rightfully flip their shit over Rachel Dolezal claiming to know the black experience yet it's okay for troons to claim to know the female experience?
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No. 393029
>>392995It wasn’t labeled and is at the front so I took it as a ‘you all belong under this flag~’ sentiment
Unpopular opinion but the gay flag is obnoxious, of course they have the loudest one that overpowers everything else visually and is also considered to be all encompassing
No. 393034
>>393029I mean there's actual history behind the use of the rainbow colors (the current one isn't even the original one) and it's above and beyond more
valid than any special snowflake flag.
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ignore if this has been brought up before, but i saw this article/blog post on reddit.
https://deadwildroses.com/2018/11/15/i-was-called-a-terf-brave-women-who-dare-speak-their-minds/women sharing reasons why they've been called terfs. pic attached caught my eye because i've said something similar before around my "woke" friends
No. 393054
>>393044Addresses some of the major GC talking points with a bit of lucidity at times, but mostly strawmans, concludes (despite claiming to have nuanced views) that GC is only hateful transphobia and nothing more based on a few examples of people being nasty that could be set next to a counter example of a TRA being equally nasty with equally little effort.
Notably does not address at all the subject of trans being given access to women's sports, shelters, safe spaces, crisis centers, healthcare, etc.
No. 393067
>>393044I am so tired of their bizarre male socialization argument. No, transwomen do not "internalize" misogynistic beliefs they grew up hearing about women. No, transwomen being bullied for being feminine does not mean that they do not benefit from male privilege or do not experience male socialization. By that logic an effeminate gay man understands female socialization and experiences misogyny. That obviously makes no sense, so why should it for transwomen? Not every experience of male socialization is enjoyable. And being ridiculed for and discouraged from being feminine is definitely a male experience. So many of the harmful stereotypes and beliefs about women stem from our bodies, so how could transwomen possibly internalize a reality they are incapable of experiencing?
The main reason I experienced so much distress at being a girl when I experienced misogyny for the first time was because of how inescapable and completely out of my control it was. I didn't understand how someone could think so lowly of me simply because of the sex I was born as. Growing up hearing the way men think about women absolutely did not make transwomen project those beliefs onto themselves. That is evident in the blatant difference between behavior that we see in transwomen and "cis" women. I'm sure Contra would roll his eyes at me saying that, but it's fucking true.
He also framed questions like "What do you mean you
feel like a woman?" and "What is a woman?" as disingenuous gotchas that TERFs don't actually care about the answer to. Sure, if I were to ask that now, I wouldn't expect a thought provoking answer. But back when I was a libfem, it was something I genuinely didn't understand. Why can't he just answer that? How did he
know he was a woman. Sure he's expressed discomfort at typical male sex characteristics, but how does that transform you into a woman? The whole concept literally just doesn't make sense. And it's not because I'm not smart enough to understand Contra's philosophy jargon. It's just logically inconsistent.
No. 393070
>>393044Lol at contra pointing out how terfs are big meanies cause we can clock tims. But not pointing out that all the abuse women face for even being a suspected GC feminist.
Also I love that he basically hate reads GC,lc and kf LMFAO
No. 393077
>>393072This may seem obvious but how is it they scream about women being defined by more than their sex characteristics and yet they spend thousands of dollars trying to mimic these sex organs, prostitute themselves trying to afford it, or kill themselves if they can't? If womanhood isn't defined by breasts and vaginas and different fat distribution etc, why transition at all? Why not identify as ~women inside~ and not alter the body in an attempt to replicate what we were born with and defined by our whole lives?
Why is is gender dysphoria the only illness where people aren't encouraged to learn coping skills for their mental issues the way people with EDs, body dysmorphia, or PTSD from sexual assaults are? Why aren't rape
victims granted special treatment in public spaces the way trans people are? It's interesting how McKinnon says TERFs aren't a protected class. He's saying women aren't historically denied opportunities and access and respect over the past 2000 years? I guess men like him figure that hormone therapy and dresses in his closet put him in the same category as women who have suffered FGM, died in period hits, were married off as children to old men, denied maternity leave, etc etc etc.
They know they aren't the same as us. They remind me of rapists in that they care tremendously about exerting power over women, "putting them in their place", laughing at their discomfort, and caring only about their own happiness and pleasure at women's expense.
No. 393082
>>393081Let's not forget the absolute horrifying spate of medical malpractice that is childhood HRT and SRS. That is also becoming a banned 'terfs only' topic that only terrible transphobes talka bout. I believe contra probably files that sort of thing under the umbrella of
sneer scarequotes "concerns"
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>>393075>Interesting how the "former" MRAs are all buddy-buddy mocking the trauma of a suicidal woman lamenting how much male violence restricts our movement in the worldThat's when I stopped watching the video. Sylvia Plath's writing has always resonated with me but a shared female experience means nothing to these men. They mock and belittle the trauma that so many women experience because of men. They won't acknowledge male violence or privilege. They can't empathise with women at all.
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Sorry I couldn't resist
No. 393142
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>>393044i looove how nick couldnt help but objectify his "TERF" character/side, too. his material is so lacking in substance and all he does for every fucking video is drop $700 at Marshalls and on eBay for cheap, gaudy shit to throw on and calls it a day
No. 393144
>>391471Can you not use NPD to describe normal people? You're grossly misusing the term when you could've used another one, like self obsessed or absorbed, etc.
Sincerely, from a
victim of someone who's officially diagnosed w/ NPD
No. 393145
>>393142His "TERF" character has devil horns.
But it's totally just being objective, guys!!
No. 393148
>>393144They are using the term correctly. Most Tims literally have NPD but it won't be diagnosed.
>>393145Lmao right? Totally in good faith! I can't believe this retard went to Northwestern. Like obviously he knows what he's doing but if I was supposed to be an example of an academic, I'd be so embarrassed to do that
No. 393158
>>392895IK this post is a little old now, but this quote lmaoo
TiF: "I hate talking about things in this way, but I wanna protect you like a boy."
TiM: "That's awesome. I think that's cool. I'm kind of a sucker for, like, weirdly-internalized, like, patriarchy things, but only in the sense that they make me feel more like a girl. Sometimes I just want to be objectified in the same way cis women would."
later:
Tif: "When you told me that somebody called you a faggot, I wanted to fucking kill them. […] I wanted to beat the shit out of them like your boyfriend but hold you like your mother."
oooooof
and they acknowledge that these stereotypes are harmful, but then dismiss it because it's different wen ur trans!!11
No. 393159
>>393148No it's not. Using NPD on a normal person isn't correct, it's grossly wrong and disrespectful to the
victims of people w/ NPD. It comes off as if it's "normal" when there could be a better word for it that accurately describe it. "NPD" is not one of the them, "narcissistic"? Sure, but not NPD, that's a personality disorders.
No. 393173
>>393165If you were a
victim of someone who has NPD and someone decided to use NPD as an insult to someone, you'd be offended because you know there's a clear difference between someone who has NPD and those who doesn't.
Most of the troons I've seen here doesn't seem Onision-y or come off as someone sinister or "off", if anything they come off as someone who needs therapy for their gender dysphoria that is just a fetish in disguise.
No. 393181
>>393044Contra's verdict on gender critical ideology is basically summed up in this quote:
"if transwomen being feminine is bad, and transwomen being masculine is bad, then there really is no way that transwomen could behave that terfs would accept."
This is a gross misconstruction.
It is bad when transwomen believe that conforming to stereotypes of what "femininity" is what makes them women.
It is bad that transwomen are biologically male and therefore have the sex drive, ill intentions, physical strength, and misogyny found in most males. When transwomen demand access to female spaces and demand to be allowed to participate in female-only sporting events, being biologically male and having been raised male is obviously bad.
No. 393212
>>393210he is just a stupid straight male and an awful sjw youtuber that always goes for the low hanging fruit. i can't even stand a video of his for more than 2 minutes because his forced helium voice makes my ears bleed. you are a predatory misogynistic asshole, stop calling yourself a woman, you are never going to be one, stop calling yourself a feminist when you don't even have an understanding of what a woman is and are ready to attack women who don't fit into your narrative.
by the way i don't know if he does his own makeup and styling but it's really shitty.
No. 393219
>>393215I honestly think they view it as a religious experience.
TRAs might not call it that, but all I've ever seen when it's not horribly circular is that TIMs just "know".
No. 393239
>>393044the absolute mad lad. these people are utterly delusional and it's insane that they get such a strong platform to shit out their angry man feefees. people actually listen to this crap and that's the scary part.
everything they have to say and everything they want is becoming at the expense of women. they can't hit us into submission like they want to and it shows.
No. 393268
>>393044Of course he strawmanned and went for the most low hanging fruit arguments and didn't address the bigger, unrefutable arguments. He's just a dishonest hon, like all the other trannies.
>>393144"Normal" people? 81% of troons have a cluster B personality disorder, it being NPD (in most cases) or BPD. Did you really believe that we were using the NPD/BPD word as a slur in these threads? Lurk more.
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>>393044>I know the TERFs are going to say i'm literally clockable, but everyone else in my life doesn't seem to think so!He… is clockable though. People likely don't point it out because they're scared of the backlash, but they know what he is. I don't know about anyone else but most GC people i know aren't even radfems, they can't even be classified as TERFs. People just like to laugh at trannies in their free time.
Also
>this commentCue those images of TIMs grabbing old tampons/old pads and stuffing it inside their panties
>but there's women who are infertile!!!11Yes, but they were born right the parts in the first place, something that trannies will forever be crying because they don't have it.
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>>393272>Hontra>PassingLaughinggirls.jpg
No. 393371
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A few months ago somebody posted that the actor Liev Schreiber kisses his sons in a strangely intimate way and that he allowed one to wear a for children completely inapporpriate Harley Quinn costume.
Guess what, he's "trans" now.
Angelina Jolie called her own baby a "blob" and admitted to liking her less, because she hasn't "suffered" like any of her adopted children (who were adopted as babies…). One daughter already trooned out a few years ago, now the second biological daughter wants to be a boy as well.
Same for Charlize Theron's and Megan Fox's child.
Those "Hollywood has a pact with the devil and is actually just a gigantic pedo ring"-theories seem more and more plausible. Coupled with propaganda shows like Jazz and shit like the police calling you for liking a terfy tweet…
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No. 393434
>>393422Because it's not like the parents of these children are going around saying they're trans and convincing them to be trans, as far as you or I know. Your son wanting to wear a dress =/= them being transgender, ffs. Kids go through phases and these kids' phases are highly publicized.
You're acting like they have their kids on hormone replace treatment or something. The idea that boys liking girl things and girls liking boy things has partially led to this whole "my son likes barbies, he must be trans!" craze. In reality these kids probably just want to wear a costume or a dress or are going through a phase where they want to be called by a different name and the parents put up with it because kids are a pain in the ass to begin with.
Kids have phases and they grow out of them. I'm sure you went through some ridiculous phase when you were younger and eventually grew out of it. One summer my little brother insisted on wearing a skirt every day and it didn't turn him into a tranny. He grew out of it once school started back. Yeah, parents who let their children have hormone replacement and shit like that are disgusting (like Jazz), but none of these situations seem like that.
No. 393447
>>393372this makes me ill. no child should be dressed in something that skimpy, kissing their father like that, or be described as
shockingly attractivebig pedo vibes. fucking christ.
No. 393460
>>393415After Momo and el Ayuwoki, this is the new creature that will appear in the corner of your room at 4 am
>>393434Are you STILL going on with that argument, anon? We told you one thousand times that yes, Angelina Jolie is putting her daughter on hormones. It's been discussed, linked and proved at least three times in the most recent threads - not to mention, it can be googled in a sec. You've got to be trolling
No. 393464
>>393405Sadly not shocking at all. Look at the lack of commentary on this in a gc thread on a board that is supposedly dominated by women.
Kinda interesting, huh.
No. 393487
>>393464What are you talking about? This thread has regularly discussed issues like the cotton ceiling
>>393468Is that odo?
No. 393535
>>393525Actual lol, at what point did he see them as women? Before or after he had to maneouvre or get off their penises during sex?
I probably wouldn't stay with my partner because I would rather date someone with a full heterosexual history but that's just me.
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Curious what you guys think of this.
This TiF just got a surgical beard transplant. Had no idea this sort of thing even existed. It just looks so bad to me, like they didn't even bother with her neck??
Apparently she never passed as a man even with being on T for years. Do you think this would help?
No. 393764
>>393525Break up. Especially, since you used the word
trannies, if it was multiple troons. One would give me some pause, but several would be a no-brainer.
But even one seems like something that, AT BEST, would permanently damage how you see and feel about him. Rightfully.
>>393705Calm down, only one of the anons you replied to was confused.
Doesn't stop it from looking like shit and something that is fucked up to do to yourself or someone else.
No. 393862
>>393666My dad decided to have a hair transplant, it was ugly as shit at first and he had to change his bandages and clean up the mess for a few weeks. After a while, most of it went away anyway so he had to do it a second time (and he wasn't completely bald, just thinning hair like a lot of old men)
Anyway, just to explain why it's prob gonna look like crap and most of it will fall off anyway. Plus each strand looks pretty spaced out and anyone who's been in close proximity with a real beard knows that it's usually super dense. While I guess it works out to fluff up your thinning hair naturally, I bet it's gonna look dumb as hell for beard with no other hair around it.
No. 393887
>>393856Celebrated I feel like straight people are demonized! Heteronormativity is frowned upon.
Look at magazines from the 1950's. Do you see many other types of people other than white people in the advertisements? And now how almost virtually every ad today(tv or print) out there with several people or more is ethnically diverse? Companies want to be inclusive and the last thing they want to be accused of is "whitewashing".
Is anyone starting to notice these days who is ending up in more ads? Hmmm? How about the Dove ad with the two mommies, one of them transgender? Or the troon? maybe it was a woman? who threw a fit about the VS show (but good on VS they said no). Soon the next thing that companies will have to worry about is "straightwashing" or "ciswashing". That if their ad doesn't include the LGBT in some way it will be railed against.
Just to be clear I don't have any issues with racial diversity. Just pointing out that it changed over time and it was a positive change.But must the LGBT also be included in everything now too?
Sorry if I offended any lesbians/bi's on here but I'm responding to a post where one says she is tired of the scene herself so I thought it might be safe.
No. 393957
>>393910I feel the same. People from these kind of gender circles often look at me weird when i'm not screaming about my sexuality 24/7. The most 'coherent' response anybody has ever given me as to why is that they fought hard to be accepted and that's why they feel the need to do it. Or, "YOU KILLED ALL THE NICE GAYS!!" Which, you know, is fucking stupid.
>>393887No worries anon. I'm worried about this too. But to be honest i don't get the whole representation thing in general, how soft do you have to be to look at an ad and not see yourself and immediately start screaming? Seriously. I say this as someone who is rarely represented, and frankly doesn't care. Most ~minoritees~ have more shit to worry about than if the new cartoon network show has their sexuality.
No. 393973
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This came up on my timeline jfc
No. 394004
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Pretty sure this was started because trans are trying to make woman = makeup and over the top femininity ?
No. 394026
>>394018It's like that dumb lie some troon told about being told to take their pants down and "prove" they have a vagina at knifepoint. By a stranger on the street. Randomly.
And they never explained how they got out of it, considering they are pre-op.
No. 394049
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I wonder if this is the same farmhand who "accidentally" temporarily deleted this thread and put it on autosage?
No. 394054
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This makes me irrationally angry.
No. 394070
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>>394054Trannies manipulate reality to fit their schemes. It's delusion
No. 394081
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>>394054>Imagine if LGBT orgs focused on trans issues all the time!Meanwhile, back in reality…
No. 394172
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From ontd: "I swear, if people try to make kim petras happen, I'm going to a break a plate. She looks like Mr Burns in a wig." KEK
No. 394178
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>>394172that forehead goes on for miles holy hell
No. 394204
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>>394136I think they're plenty visible!
>mfw I used to volunteer for the Human Rights CampaignI haven't changed. Liberalism has.
No. 394256
>>393973Oh, they WISH they could.
>>394018Definitely. A no-breasted/small-breasted woman still looks like a woman. There are so many fashion blogs and communities dedicated to post double mastectomy fashion and not a single woman resembles a man. As soon as I saw this person claimed it happened to
multiple friends, I knew they were lying. If a woman is wearing normal clothes, how are you supposed to notice their exact breast size in the first place? What’s with the trans obsession with breasts being the only marker of womanhood?
No. 394258
>>394054Surely this is an April Fools joke, right? Nobody can be this blind, right??
>>394256>What’s with the trans obsession with breasts being the only marker of womanhood?Aside from the obvious sexual aspect, you can buy them. Just like long hair, makeup and fashion. The hardest thing about being a woman is figuring out what to wear. That’s why they freak out whenever anyone tries to define womanhood by our biology and experiences that men cannot just purchase for themselves.
No. 394264
>>394256Exactly. If you even read back our threads, I don't think any of us ever said "look! They are flat chested! That means they are a man!" We remark on the chin, hairline, Adam's apple, hands, feet, muscle mass, brow, voice, narrow hips, rectangle body, damn near everything BUT breasts.
No. 394270
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>>393666transgender ideology is terrible for women and it really stressed me out how it's taking hold in mainstream society, but I also like looking at pics of weird shit like birth defects. So I kinda like seeing troons fuck up their bodies if I pretend it's divorced from politics.
No. 394273
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No. 394282
>>394273True. It’s also about changing rooms, domestic violence and rape shelters, prisons, sports and every other thing women have had to fight for but men have always had as a default. They don’t just want to pee, they want to abolish our ability to be safe from them when out in public. Just like how segregation was used to discourage black people from being involved in public life.
Or was that not the point he was trying to make?
No. 394298
>>394273Remember when people tried to make "Asian Lives Matter" and "Native American Lives Matter" happen and the black community (rightly) said stop it, stop comparing your struggles to ours, stop co-opting our activism and come up with something of your own?
Funny how troons constantly steal and co-opt phrases and slogan and causes from everyone, including the black rights community, and nobody says anything. Troon privilege is real.
No. 394333
>>394313I don't get it either, I can't think of any time that anybody got violent with someone in a toilet over gender. I have seen loads of gay guys come into toilets with their girl friends so they could gossip and do their makeup together, or drunk girls use mens toilets to avoid waiting and it has caused arguments, there was never violence.
I'm Euro though, so maybe things are different in America where everyone carries a gun or whatever, so much of TRA here just seems to be parroting USA specific stuff anyway.
No. 394339
>>393991I wish the trans movement was full of actual brave strong TIMs that shouted abuse at catcallers, and made sure that nobody was being sexually assaulted in their local areas at night, lending the strength of their bodies to support those smaller than them.
Why can't that be the reality? Instead of punching geriatric lesbians in LGBT marches or making tweets about the cotton ceiling?
Does anyone think the trans movement with split visibly, like how we have libfems and radfems? I doubt the older trans people who just got on with things can feel like they have anything in common with the current violent incels in rainbow anime wigs
No. 394374
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I already posted this on the Male Hate Thread but its related to GC without being too man hating
The Drama between this Idiot and ChapoTrapHouse TRA's
No. 394544
>>394460At least the dude dating the TIF knows he's retarded
the ChapoTrapHouse Troon thinks he's been justified telling the mentally ill suicidal man to kill himself because he's a "Transphobe"
No. 394559
>>394552same
I feel it should be used but very scarcely but it gets used around so much in radfem circles that its lost its meaning
No. 394567
>>394549>>394549>>394552>>394558>>394559Take this miserable fucking language policing to the radfem thread. I swear this fucking board has gotten a flood of dumbasses who only come here to be concerned over petty and meaningless things such as word choices and combined with the sudden "I actually think gender dysphoria is real because I know chill trannies who are not fake" replies in various threads and the "d-don't talk about children you creeps!!" autism makes me want to ask which tumblr blog lead you here. Handmaiden is a woman who throws her own gender under the bus to serve men and trannies, it's a perfectly descriptive and
valid term and in this thread used in its original context.
No. 394592
>>394567I'm not saying it shouldn't be used I'm saying it gets used so much it losses its meaning
Like using "Nazi" as an Insult
No. 394614
>>394607If it makes you feel any better, that article is about St. Petersburg in Florida, not Russia. I agree with
>>394609 though, I'd be interested to hear how troons are handled in Russia.
No. 394679
>>394640It’s more projection. The people who
don’t want to interfere with kids’ bodies are “creeps”, just like lesbians who don’t want to suck dick are “fetishists” and women who try to have an honest conversation are “violent”. TRAs tell you a lot about themselves once you’ve figured out how to listen.
No. 394705
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…so women cant reference periods ever otherwise they're a terf?
No. 394724
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>>394609I'm not that anon, but I was born in russia and moved when I was child. I'd like to hear russia native anon opinon too, but what I noticed is that as long as someone in entertainment goes thru the motions of pretending to be straight no one seems to care how out of norms their behavior and presentation is. Some obvious gays-in-denial that I can think of off the top of my head are Phillip Kirkorov, Shura, Sergey Zverev and Gogen Solntsev. Some of them have even dragged their ass on dating shows looking for a girlfriend, generally beards tend to be older woman tho. Pic related got himself a long term older lady beard and then made her get plastic surgery to look better.
No. 394727
>>394705can women even mention female things without hurting uwu transgals' disphoric feelings? i wish i've known troons like these irl so that i could
trigger them by talking about normal human things like periods, pregnancy and shit. it's amusing.
No. 394747
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This thread is hilarious.
http://boards.4channel.org/lgbt/thread/12188693#p12190158>some anons talk about the risks of SRS>triggered tranny calls everyone a "triggered incel who should take psych meds and spends all day shitposting about trannies", says all the evidence against SRS is fake, compares getting SRS to removing a tumor, calls "retarded troll" the anon who replies that it's a wrong comparison, says fakeginas and real vaginas are absolutely the sameThis is further evidence that they're literally nuts
No. 394760
>>394054they're always so adamant that there's no difference, it's insanity. i'd bet this troon has the same amount of experience with a real vagina as any other incel: none. you can't change your sex, i don't know why that fact won't go into their thick skulls. a neovag is still a dick, just chopped up and turned inside out. it doesn't magically change.
anybody who says shit like this (talking about how a neovag can get an infection like any other vagina is hilarious. do real ones get necrosis and die? have shit particles all up in them? hair? do they look like a creepy, oozing mess? do they need dialators to keep it from healing over?) has zero up-close experience with real ones and has no room to talk.
bit rich mentioning psych meds when they he sounds like a complete basketcase himself.
No. 394767
>>394727 The shura I meant was this singer who peaked in the late 90s.
he had a public girlfriend for a short time, but IDK anon Im not buying it lol.
No. 394769
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>>394747This dude's plain insane, he most likely believes he's really smart and totally btfo'd the anon who pointed out his SRS=tumor removal false equivalence
No. 394783
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No. 394847
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>>394840>Micro results showed necrotic cancer pieces in polymicrobial abcess soupWhat the fuck
No. 394849
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>>394846I clicked the article and honestly couldn't read past the first sentence where he mentioned a 9 year old hispanic girl who is U.S. citizen being detained for 30 hours, I knew it was going to be a shit show after that…
No. 394856
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>>394840jesus fucking christ
No. 394863
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Is it possible to tell Sexes apart just by Smell ?
No. 394866
>>394865I just admire him from afar
he makes some good points at times but also weird rants that make no sense
>I have been punched in the nose and in the head and more times then i can count and maybe thats effected my sense of smell
>I do plan on dying in about 5 years but don't have a specific plan on how I'll do it maybe acquire a firearm or maybe i'll just jump
>I don't know about other men but I have always felt I had "defective" genes or "monster" genes No. 394904
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What a well earned accomplishment I'm entirely sure.
No. 394908
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>>393666Update for anyone curious.
No. 394917
>>394747reminds me of when my old friends stayed with a troon while traveling and he got so
triggered from seeing one of them in a bra/underwear that he stopped talking to them and sulked like a child the rest of the trip
No. 394937
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Buck Angel's Instagram post of an atrophy of a trans man from being on hrt.
No. 394948
>>394946>>394937>>394840This is the kind of shit that made me hit peak trans. A lot of trans people are mentally ill/vulnerable people who are being taken advantage of and being used as guinea pigs.
Not only does the trans ideology threaten women and girls, it mutilates those who don't align with gender the 'right way'. All while also giving a 'minority' pin to all the wolves in sheeps clothing.
No. 394979
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its a fetish
No. 395002
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>>394904Fucking gender studies lmao. Imagine going to Harvard to get a degree in gender studies.
It also really bothers me that he's defending his acceptance because of his ~advocacy~. Malala Yousafzai is a girl who did real advocacy for real women and had to deal with a way lot worse shit than coddled Jazz ever has. And she got into Oxford, and nobody had to question it, because she clearly deserved it.
>>394985Can't find the article but apparently Jazz's brother came out in defense of Jazz and said he was top in his class out of 113 people and his GPA is a weighted 5.4 (I'm assuming out of 6). No offense to any Florida anons but I don't really take in that high regard considering how a lot of the school systems down there are… not great. And a 5.4/6 converts to a 3.6 unweighted which isn't bad but it is absolutely not Harvard material.
No. 395010
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Why are they so cringe?
No. 395012
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BARF
No. 395013
>>395002Plus, Malala's activism STARTED with being attacked for attempting to pursue education while female.
Like, education was tied to her public activism right from the start, giving even more reason for her to go to a prestigious college.
What has Jazz done regarding education? Nothing
No. 395020
>>395012> dick hungry lesbians> dick hungry> lesbians??? i think this person is missing a few braincells.
also, speaking about kids as being "dick hungry" and "cock monsters" is disgusting, but i'm not surprised. these people are degenerates who regularly say suspicious and noncy shit about little girls fr. either that or they want to wear their skin.
why is your nasty dick even out for them to see in the first place? i'm sure they don't just 'sense' a troon in the stall next to them and crawl under to have a look at their shrivelled estrogen dick. i've never seen a single vagina out in the women's bathrooms, accidental or otherwise. why is this an issue now men are involved?
No. 395021
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/04/707685268/violence-against-women-act-gets-tangled-up-in-gun-rights-debateSo a bill designed to protect women from violent abusers is probably going to be rejected today in part because Democrats tried to tack transgender rights onto it. In particular, they wanted to expand access to trannies in women's shelters and other vulnerable women's spaces. So women lose either way.
I'm left leaning moderate but this shit is going to alienate me and people like me. I'm so frustrated that now women have to carry the burden of transgender rights whether we like it or not. We have our own battles to wage, let trannies work out their own bullshit like women have for centuries.
No. 395022
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>>394747He believes that at some point the wound heals… let that sink in. Dude's in for a big surprise (and premature death)
Also
>"Saying something I don't like means you just want to fuck me!">"Trans is not a mental disorder!">all that projectingUnironically Onision-tier NPD speech
No. 395029
>>395013>Plus, Malala's activism STARTED with being attacked for attempting to pursue education while female.She was actually already an activist before her attack and had received death threats from Talibans. The attack was an assassination attempt where Malala was directly targeted.
She's a hundred times braver than any TRA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malala_Yousafzai#Early_activism No. 395037
>>395012>52 likes on that postI want to vomit. And they wonder why we don't want them in bathrooms, locker rooms or really anywhere near children or women?
This post might as well have been him screaming "I AM A NONCE WHO WILL RAPE YOUR KIDS AND THEN
VICTIM BLAME THEM UWU" into a megaphone on a busy street, and idiot passer-bys clapping for #transrights.
No. 395054
>>394845Change that to economic migrant and he got himself an accurate comparison of a trans.
Majority of them are able bodied males? Check.
Pretending to be someone they’re not? Check.
Coming from more fortunate, privileged background? Check.
Demanding spaces meant for other groups of people? Check.
Making scandals when people say they are falsely representing disadvantaged group? Check.
Demanding donations for their pretend status of
victim? Check.
Pretending to desperately want to escape confinement of who they are, but still acting their old, violent ways they have been brought up with? Check, check, check.
No. 395079
>>394609>>394614I'm sorry, I thought that they meant Russia in article aswell till i clicked on it. My bad! And anon from
>>394724 it absolutely right. The only kind of sexuality that is accepted around our media/etc are lesbians, and only in fiction LOL. if someone finds out that some star etc is a lesbian, they start screaming that she needs a man etc. And like i said before, the only troons that u can meet are basically creepy sissy fetishists (that are 30+ years old), NEETs who have watched a ton of (usually yandere) anime and are all about uwu shoujo ai!! Nyaa! owo thigh highs + trap hype, and of course, our good old fujos. I am glad that FtM fujos are more common than the worst type of trannies, MtF.If you tell people that you are bisexual or gay, they would either shrug it off, saying that homosexuality does not exist (if you are a girl) or will throw you creep status and will try to distance from u or talk shit about u (both). In Russia, females n males are forced into gender roles/etc since the very (and through) early childhood. All about patriarchy here/etc, but honestly ,its so much better than watching creeps in dresses calling their dicks female n being _transbians_ like in uk or usa.
No. 395086
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I love straw man arguments. Obviously abolishing gender involves abolishing sex segregated spaces and allowing men who "feel" like women (read: men who feel more comfortable in the stereotypes assigned to women- something we actually do want to abolish) to invade female sex segregated spaces.
What fucking dumbasses.
No. 395098
>>395092I don't doubt the relationship will fail. Your SiL is obviously straight (with the "everyone is a little gay" sort of thing) and compensating for it by dating a woman who dresses like a man. Being straight in SJW circles is a death sentence.
I would just give it time.
No. 395115
>>395086radfem: we are going to abolish gender
troon: oh so we won't use gendered pronouns anymore?
radfem: i mean, that could be one outcome. however what we are more concerned with is the pervasive social idea that certain behaviours and personality traits are inherently female, like submissiveness, quietness, and being less intelligent. we also don't think that women should be forced into prescriptive femininity, and punished via social shaming or loss of income for choosing not to conform to gendered beauty norms. but sure, i guess pronouns could go too.
troon: TERF
No. 395128
>>395098>>395114Do you ever think though that hiding these feelings is what is letting all of the craziness spread? My SiL has never heard the word no before in her life. Her parents protected and coddled their precious baby from anything that might upset her. If my SO disagrees with her, she shuts down and can't continue the subject due to "anxiety," even if she brought up the subject in the first place. I think a lot of SJWs stay in their little cult because the others are so vicious and jump on them for wrongthink. If the people who actually cared about them brought up the mental gymnastics and insanity that is so obvious to us, might it not make a bigger difference?
I don't hate my SiL, she cares about people and has a really good heart. She is very sheltered and that often frustrates me. I think my inlaws did her a terrible disservice by not treating her as a capable human growing up, and she is paying for it now as an adult. She clearly isn't happy: she's gained a lot of weight in the last few months. The tranny she's dating is morbidly obese and appears so uncomfortable with herself it makes me cringe. I think I'm more sad than anything. No one said anything about her last bf being trash, and she stayed with him for too long and got more fucked up as a result. I want her to be happy and staying with someone who hates herself so much she rejects her own sex is not going to do that.
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>>395092>herIt likely won't last long.
No. 395139
>>395128>Do you ever think though that hiding these feelings is what is letting all of the craziness spread?honestly, she's going to run into someone who will try to put some sense into her, but she won't realize it until months, maybe years later. that person could be you, or it could be another family member. possibly closer to her.
i had an aunt that basically told me my troon ex was just a confused gay man and he's going to end up dating another man. she was right. didn't realize it until months later. i got over my sjw phase a year after breaking up with my ex. did i hate my aunt for telling me that during that sjw phase? no.
i think i know how your SiL could be doing mentally right now, so i dunno, maybe ease it onto her in a more private setting. she most likely won't tell her boyfriend about what you told her.
No. 395153
>>394904Ivy leagues doing this isn't surprising. But it's so tiring. We're still in the middle of that college bribery scandals too.
>>395070TRAs and troons truly want kids to be sexualized and exposed to their fetish early. Only makes me hit peak trans more going after kids. Calling them derogatory names like that sounds so pedophilic jfc
>>395021I do want women to be 2a if their country allows it. The more protected we are, I think the better. But to lump women with trans rights like that just goes to show you that neither political side is really pro women. Anons in other threads like the MH one pointed out that. Liberals will protect tras quicker and demonize women for being terfs whenever we're concerned about our safety and spaces. Conservatives don't care about women besides being victorian era wombs - seen but never heard. Idk what's the solution than to protect yourself however you can. And to donate to places that are being attacked by tras like rape relief centers
No. 395196
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Listen I can tolerate the gender as a spectrum bullshit but sex? What?
No. 395200
>>395196Ugh. They're really trying to normalize actual, literal, unhealthy abnormalities while calling women who are definitely not intersex intersex just because they want to be accepted.
Polycystic ovarian syndrome doesn't make someone intersex. Most trans identified people are not intersex either. They constantly use intersex people as a backboard for their shit but they have nothing to do with each other.
No. 395257
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>I’m not saying that we have to abolish the system of gender completely, but it’s fundamental that we stop categorizing and socializing children according to their biology
>Attempts to change his biology to conform to gender stereotypes
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>>395257But don't worry your pretty little heads, ladies, because troonery is love!
No. 395271
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/r9k/ discord that wants to enforce hrt on children and infect water treatment plants with hormones. Despicable fucks. I feel sorry for anyone with a young son who may stumble into this shit.
No. 395307
>>395251Do you mean this Swedish documentary about female trans regretters and how girls are pressured into transition by health care "professionals"?
https://www.svtplay.se/video/21717158/uppdrag-granskning/uppdrag-granskning-sasong-20-avsnitt-12I am so happy SVT dared to bring up this issue.
One of the interviewed girls is anonymous because she is afraid of the trans community's reaction. They're a fucking mafia.
No. 395310
>>395308>>395309Those who have seen the documentary will probably be unimpressed by mentally ill tantrums though.
Damn, it was good. Really brought home how unscientific transition is and how the doctors are playing with young women's lives.
No. 395320
>>387355Likely because black culture is itself extremely misogynistic and homophobic.
If anyone is going to call out a troon to their face, it will almost certainly be a black person.
Not trying to defend troons, just saying that it makes sense that they would clash so often with blacks.
No. 395322
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>1. Aren't they the loudest when it came to separating men from women?
>2. This is not itㅡㅡ
>3. Shameless
>4. Trangender people should compete against transgender people
>5. I'm sure that this is gonna be the future of Olympics, although I don't want it to happen
>6. They shouldn't allow this to be honest
>7. For sports, they should really discriminate based on physical abilities…
>8. No but their bodies are still those of mens'ㅋ
>9. The physical abilities are inherently different
>10. Are they joking? Their physical abilities are still the same as men
ttps://pann-choa.blogspot.com/2019/04/theqoo-trigger-controversial-topic-in.html?m=1
even korean ppl get it why is it so hard for westerners? too many libtards i guess
No. 395329
>>395307You realize how truly malicious TRA's intentions are when they actively shut up detransitioners. The Pique Resilience girls have also been called "terfs" literally just for sharing their story. God forbid someone reveals that transitioning is not all sunshine and puppy dogs and decides to get therapy, instead of cancer inducing hormones and horrifying surgeries.
It's like they actively want other people to suffer. Misery loves company, I guess.
>>395322People who have it worse can't be fooled by dumb rhetoric. If you notice, the places that are more affected by misogyny have the smallest amount of libfems: Korea, China, South America, Africa… there are a lot of radfems there. Why? Because the human embodiment of a libfem is a 1st world bored college student who lives a cushy, privileged life and can afford to use feminism as a prop, just a "quirky" line to add on their Tinder bio. They're not actually interested in feminist discussions or researches, they just spew whatever they hear on social media without critical thought.
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>>395317kek this man's twitter is full of cis-hate and he is callig himself a 'transbian'
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>>395338Hahaha , Sweden is transbian hell
No. 395347
>>394970>>395329>God forbid someone reveals that transitioning is not all sunshine and puppy dogs and decides to get therapy, instead of cancer inducing hormones and horrifying surgeries.TRAs will only have themselves to blame when they start suffering from cancer, sepsis and other predicable consequences of HRT and SRS, but I'm sure that once the major pushback starts they'll still play the
victim and hitch their wagons to the activism of the actual
victims who were lied to and transed as children. I'm sure many of them will get away with it, too.
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No. 395353
>>395338Why do so many troons have their ugly mouths open in their photos?
Is this some manga/animate shit they're mimicking?
They look so punchable.
No. 395373
>>395350>has remained a mentally ill misogynist all his life>admits that he drove away all the people who were still friends with him with his retarded, shitty actions>is now a less ugly, still hateful misogynist who attacks women while wanting to be oneWhat are we supposed to take away from this? Should we be feeling bad for this narcissist? Does he think this story makes him sound like the
victim?
No. 395431
>>395350>Women are fucking retarded. I hate them all so much.So either this genius hates himself or doesn't view himself as a woman.
Why are we letting violently misogynistic incels in our spaces again?
Also, women were flirting with you? Sure, Jan. It's called being kind out of pity you sped.
No. 395453
>>395345>W-WHY CAN'T YOU INTERVIEW PEOPLE WHO ARE HAPPY WITH THEIR TRANSITION YOU NEED SOME PERSPECTIVEJesus christ they're like 99% of the tranny voices heard, you're just assblasted someone who doesn't coddle to your ideology gets to say something
>>395350What a pathetic piece of shit. How dare he parade around as a "lesbian" and then literally say "Women are fucking retarded, disgusting fucking cunts I hate them all so much"? Why does this asshole want to be a woman again?
No. 395462
>>395373Angry incel hates that women are happier and safer with other women around. It's been proven that we trust each other more yet he hates that? Idk he sounds retarded and bitter. Wish more of these posts went viral to show how troons aren't peacefully living their lives. It's all just bitterness and misogyny that's fueling tras
>>395453 >why does he want to be a womanIt's a fetish. He doesn't want to be a normal woman, he probably wants to be a sex doll. Never forget that one guy who was trans but stopped when he was faced with misogyny and couldn't handle it. Wish I can find that post. It was posted on one of these threads
No. 395470
>>395329>>395360It's always fun to see the disparity of thought between countries, and of course people scrambling to rub their american-centric views all over a different country.
>N-No! It isn't a competition! There are transgender people in X country too!Is the usual rethoric thrown. I think some of these people need a little free trip to south america or the middle east, maybe then they'll recognize just how lax their lives are in a cushy first world country.
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>>395309My favorite reaction so far, very articulate
>This is terf rhetoric 101 lmfaodgjfgmjkgmfkgm idiots No. 395628
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/tttt/ offers interesting chances to peek in an AGP's mind.
Pictured: a giant "NO U" projection from a delulu troon.
No. 395633
>>395628idk, could narcissism in troons explain… everything?
to not kiss the ass of TRAs is to be undiagnosed autistic now? not sitting back and cheering them on while they shit out lies and misinformation is to have some sort of mental disorder? don't think so.
we relate to people just fine, just not people who try to force their ridiculous beliefs on us, while in the same breath threatening violence, fetishizing us and demanding our resources. why should anybody have empathy for people so selfish and entitled and delusional? they don't give a single shit about "cis" women, as evident by trying to close shelters and whatnot. they don't care about our feelings or experiences, so why should we care about them?
No. 395700
>>395693it’s pure projection. they’re co-opting radfem’s
valid observations based on reality and are portraying women stating the obvious as delusional/autistic so they can devalue our opinions and silence our voices.
just like all men do.
the maleness and misogyny of TRAs is so blatant.
No. 395728
>>395700Why can't libfems realize
this misogyny too? For how they see it in benign shit like man spreading, they can't notice it in tras when they're openly telling women to shut up about real biology and defunding rape relief centers.
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Not surprised. I don’t even hate drag, but who seriously thought this was a good idea?
No. 396033
>>395781This has to be a fucking joke.
How many regular children's story time readers are also sexual criminals?
Why the fuck is the percentage of men who abuse children/commit sexual crimes so high in the trans community?
No. 396068
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I swear to God they know how ridiculous they look
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check: disgusting tongue out selfie, "girl", obsession with altgirls
No. 396085
>>396082All women can relate to taking off bras after a long day. But now men have to shoehorn their fucked up fantasies and call it
just one of the girls right ladies uwu they clock themselves faster than we do
No. 396091
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>>395730god, i said in another thread around the time umbrella academy started on netflix that he looks like he's started going by Geraldine and taken up speedrunning. I'm glad it's not just me.
No. 396119
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>Why should I feel like a fetishist for being turned on by the idea of dressing and acting as a girl? It's normal! I'm not an AGP I swear!
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No. 396161
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>>396160Definitely not a fetish…
No. 396197
>>396161This is next level insane.
It's one thing to look at a hypersexualized
real woman, but it's a whole nother ballpark to say you want to look like the anime girls you cried yourself to sleep fapping to when you still "identified" as an incel
No. 396214
>>396171I appreciate the points made in this video, but it is infuriating that just because a male says this stuff, it's taken more seriously.
Everything he's said has been said by many, many women before, only it has been labeled as hate and "literal violence".
I know he makes a cheeky mention of this in the video, but the point still stands.
Nothing women say will ever be taken seriously if we continue being "nice".
No. 396234
>>396215Men do seem to often have a bizarre kind of facial blindness. I've been able to clock many TIMs immediately and men have been shocked. I don't know if it's a biological or social thing, but women seem to be way better at noticing subtle differences and things that seem
off.
Not that there's anything subtle about Nyk's ability to pass. He doesn't. I'll admit his hair or makeup can look pretty sometimes, but he is still very obviously male.
No. 396253
>>396249Anon he probably only deals with sloppy camgirls lol
god i know dudes like this who honestly think they've become a 'gamer girl'.
No. 396281
>>396249Then you're imposing the standard actual women are supposed to do, I know the importance of grooming but I feel like this is getting a bit petty.
Or else this one looked just like someone I know who trooned out, very nerdy and quiet. Then goes on about "omg i have boobs and emotions" after taking HRT… It's all fetish and incel fantasy
No. 396294
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>>396078looks like paul dano
No. 396302
>>396223hey don't Insult my baby boy like that
he may not be that smart but he's a nice guy
No. 396306
>>396280Yeah men are pretty blind like that. It's obvious that women are the more visually oriented sex.
>>396299Not even the gc threads are safe from husbandoism huh, kek
No. 396324
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>>396306This
>>396321. Also, Leon ages and his appearance changes - there are so many flavours of Leon! A Leon for us all.
Thank god for fictional men free from garbage beliefs.
No. 396328
>>396324hoy shit anon, the gif loaded slow for me so when he suddenly turned to look at me I fucking cackled
>>396322reminds me of all the controversy over the use of the word 'bleeders' because trans people were getting
triggered by sanitary products referring to their customers as women. It honestly makes me think it would be easier to be a faceless company that just doesn't interact with their customers.
No. 396330
>>396326But anon, taking the pill gives our bodies more estrogen, which is appropriating twans women's struggles with transmisogyny (which is totally more important than boring old real misogyny!)
The only way to not be TERFs is clearly for us to go back to olden times where we stay at home making babies, churning butter from scratch, and isolating ourselves completely from society during our periods.
No. 396331
>>396189imbed videos in the space below 'choose file'
>>396196Remember anything else about this doctor? That sounds interesting.
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>>396234>>396280>>396306My father in law apparently didn't clock pic related as a man until dialogue made it abundantly clear the character was trans and my husband admitted that while he suspected it, he wasn't immediately sure.
I think a lot of the time people are just being polite (or scared) when they pretend TIMs pass, but some men are legitimately fucking blind. All they see is lipstick and long hair.
No. 396336
>>396331It was Ray Blanchard (researcher who studied the HSTS/AGP dichotomy) tweeting an article from a troon discussing how anime had a huge influence on his gender identity.
https://medium.com/@socjuswiz/masculinity-anime-and-gender-dysphoria-8d682abcec54Caused massive butthurt among the anime avatar trannies on twitter from being so blatantly accurate.
No. 396338
>>396337in regards to articles posted like
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/calls-to-end-transgender-experiment-on-children-k792rfj7d"The only NHS gender clinic for children is risking a “live experiment” by sending hundreds for life-changing medical intervention without sufficient evidence of its long-term effects, experts have warned.
The Times has spoken to five clinicians who resigned from the service because of concerns over the treatment of vulnerable children who come to the clinic presenting as transgender.
They believe that some gay children struggling with their sexuality are being wrongly diagnosed as “transgender” by the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) clinic.
All five former staff were responsible for deciding which trans-identifying youngsters should be given hormone blockers to halt their sexual development. The vast majority of those who begin blockers go on to irreversible cross-sex hormones once they reach 16.
The NHS specialists warned that vulnerable children and teenagers had been sent down the path towards transition before experts had time to assess the causes of their gender confusion.
An Oxford professor has also raised concerns about the safety of drug therapies used by the clinic, saying the treatments were “supported by low-quality evidence, or in many cases no evidence at all”.
The number of young people referred to the clinic in north London has soared. In 2010 there were 94 referrals. By last year there were 2,519. The youngest was aged three. The five clinicians are among at least 18 clinical staff who have resigned over the past three years.
In an internal review, seen by The Times, the GIDS admitted it needed to improve its referral system and the way it obtained and recorded informed consent before young people were sent for life-changing medical intervention.
“I felt for the last two years what kept me in the job was the sense there was a huge number of children in danger. I was there to protect children from being damaged,” one clinician said.
“This experimental treatment is being done on not only children, but very vulnerable children,” another said.
All five said they believed that transgender charities such as Mermaids were having a “harmful” effect by allegedly promoting transition as a cure-all solution for confused adolescents. The charities deny the allegation.
The clinicians said they were often under pressure to refer young people for life-altering treatment, even though they did not always believe it was in the individual’s best clinical interests.
The clinic said it used licensed precocious puberty drugs whose long-term effects were known and insisted that its service was safe and that, “in the growing evidence internationally on the outcomes . . . there is little reported evidence of harm”. “We always place a young person’s wellbeing at the centre of our work,” it said.
The specialists expressed concern that many children decided they wanted to change gender after suffering homophobic bullying. Yet these young people were still referred down the route of hormone treatment, they claimed, without clinicians always exploring the possibility they may simply be gay. One clinician said that she feared the use of hormone therapy for such children could result in a scandal.
The GIDS denies the claims, saying it offers a “safe” service that recognises and respects the complexity of its cases.
Under the clinic’s rules, a young person who has already started puberty may be referred for hormone blockers. These are physically reversible, insofar as the body will continue to develop if they are discontinued, but the long-term effect on brain development is unknown. Irreversible cross-sex hormones can be prescribed from 16.
Carl Heneghan, director of the Centre of Evidence-based Medicine at the University of Oxford, said: “Given paucity of evidence, the off-label use of drugs [for outcomes not covered by the medicine’s licence] in gender dysphoria treatment largely means an unregulated live experiment on children.”
The service insisted that its internal review “did not identify any immediate issues in relation to patient safety or failings in the overall approach taken by the service”.
The GIDS said that time and care was taken at every stage to ensure that individuals grasped the potential consequences of their choices. It said that its staff had no preconceptions as to the appropriate treatment and that discussions around sexuality “now form a more explicit part of our approach to assessment and exploration”.
Addressing concerns over the scarcity of evidence, it added: “It is only in recent years that the number of young people attending specialist services worldwide has dramatically increased. Prior to this the numbers have been small and it has therefore been difficult to collect sufficient evidence to fully evaluate treatment pathways. We and other specialist services worldwide are actively engaged in research to better understand the characteristics and needs of young people attending specialist services.”
The Department of Health said that “the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust is subject to inspections, monitoring and regulation”.
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Surejan.gif
No. 396358
>>396355I saw that on the front page of reddit, made my blood boil but of course everyone was eating it up as so cute and wholesome uwu
Am I the only one who thinks this comes off as extremely noble savage-esque? "Look at this ignorant brown girl from a Muslim country with her cute broken English being so accepting, what's YOUR excuse evil whities?"
No. 396362
>>396359Quite, I felt enlightened after reading his books. He managed to put some of my thoughts into words and not only that, he verifies most of it with data and facts.
I know this is kinda off topic, but do you have similar authors to recommend?
No. 396363
>>396362Maybe
Christopher Lasch's books "The Culture of Narcissism" and "The True and Only Heaven" are kind of in the same vein. He's an erudite contrarian American social critic like moldbug. In the second book he draws from Carlyle who was one of moldbugs biggest influences.
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>Makes untrue statement that makes no sense
>"If you argued with me on the basis of biology or reality you proved me right, checkmate terves"
No. 396495
>>396444TRA "debate" is based on projecting.
>don't want to believe secular science, choose to believe new meme ideologies over the internet instead>"Y'all are UNEDUCATED! Educate yourselves!">trans people are proven to have multiple mental disorders, including cluster B personality disorders>"Y'all are mentally ill sociopaths! How dare you disagreeing with a trans person? Don't you know you drive them to suicide?">trans people are proven to be violent as fuck>"Terfs are assaulting poor trans people on the street and killing them!">lots of trans people are proven to have autism>"Terfs are autistic, that's why they can't understand gender!">no one wants to fuck trans people>"Terfs can't get laid lololol"etc. etc.
No. 396626
>>396076In the case of the first one, he did not provide his legal name, just his drag name.
Drag Storytime originated in San Fiasco because of course it did.
No. 396666
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Thoughts on The Man who would be queen by J. Michael Bailey
TRA's seem to hate it
No. 396669
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This proud to be single mum is transing one of her twin boys.
>I just hope and pray that all you parents WILL talk about this with your child. Teach them, there are biological differences between men and women, and wanting to wear opposite gendered clothing does not mean you are the opposite sex.FTFY
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/5-year-old-gender-dysphoria-14212474A five-year-old who cries every night about her body was left heartbroken when she was told she wouldn't be able to 'grow a baby in her belly.'
Lanu-Skylar, born biologically male, began showing an interest in wearing dresses when she was just two and a half and now her mum is raising her as a girl.
Mum Talitha Kriebel, 29, didn't think much of it when Lanu-Skylar wanted to wear dresses in the garden.
But a year ago she began to show signs of gender dysphoria - a condition where a person experiences discomfort or stress due to a mismatch between their biological sex and gender identity.
No. 396673
>>396669Jesus Christ
why do these Idiots do this
I don't like Troons who Invaded women spaces but this are children being forced on hormones and the TRA Ideology
No. 396674
>>396666His most recent tweet is an article about Tavistock.
https://www.twitter.com/profjmbFrom Wikipedia:
Bailey's book The Man Who Would Be Queen: The Science of Gender Bending and Transsexualism was published in 2003. In it, Bailey reviewed evidence that male homosexuality is innate, a result of heredity and prenatal environment. He also reviewed the theory of Ray Blanchard that there are two unrelated forms of transsexualism, one that is an extreme type of homosexuality and one that is an expression of a paraphilia known as autogynephilia. Written in a popular science style, the book summarized research supporting Bailey's opinions.
The book generated considerable controversy. The most detailed investigation into that controversy was reported by Alice Dreger, a bioethicist and historian, known for her activism in support of intersex rights. Dreger included additional details in Galileo’s Middle Finger, an analysis of modern clashes between scientists and activists whose beliefs are challenged by them. In her documented account of the Bailey case, she concluded that a small group of self-styled activists tried to bury a politically challenging scientific theory by attacking Bailey. "These critics, rather than restrict themselves to the argument over the ideas, had charged Bailey with a whole host of serious crimes," but that "what they claimed about Bailey simply wasn't true."
No. 396688
>>396669God imagine coming home from school crying because the other kids bullied you and you just want your mom to comfort you. Then you go to hug her and she grabs out her iPhone, pushes her face close to yours, and does a duck lip-frowny face pose, when a huge flash goes off in your face while your crying. Your disoriented from the camera flash, still crying, and your mom just turns around ignoring you so she can quickly upload it with an embarrassing t.m.i. caption about the bullying, that you didn’t even get the chance to tell your mom about, where she makes up a bunch of bullshit for millions of people to see. She just sits there smiling and getting excited from all the “likes” rolling in and you’re still there crying and now your moms just used you for views and ditched you, making you even more upset.
Poor kid shite
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>>396669Yet she also posted this. How has her brain not ruptured from the cognitive dissonance?
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Lily Maynard is rebuilding her site after it was suspended by Wordpress last month.
http://lilymaynard.comhttps://mobile.twitter.com/LilyLilyMaynard No. 396712
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/it-feels-like-conversion-therapy-for-gay-children-say-clinicians-pvsckdvq2Text of the article copied from
https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/bapamg/the_times_it_feels_like_conversion_therapy_for/It feels like conversion therapy for gay children, say clinicians
Ex-NHS staff fear that homophobia is driving a surge in ‘transgender’ young people
Lucy Bannerman
April 8 2019, 12:01am, The Times
Inside the clinic rooms of the Tavistock, the private heartache of a new generation of “transgender” youngsters is being laid bare. There used to be about 50 referrals a year, mainly males with a history of gender issues.
Now there are thousands of young females reporting a sudden gender crisis for the first time. Many are convinced that transition — and the powerful drugs that make it happen — will be the solution to their problems.
Until now the specialists struggling to keep up with caseloads have stayed silent, but alarm over the number of adolescents being prescribed body-altering drugs, has prompted five former clinicians to speak out for the first time.
All five have resigned from the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) in the past three years as a matter of conscience.
“This experimental treatment is being done not only on children, but very vulnerable children, who have experienced mental health difficulties, abuse, family trauma, but sometimes those [other factors] just get whitewashed,” one female clinician said. “If someone was suggesting plastic surgery or any other permanent change we’d be saying, hang on a minute.”
The clinicians have warned that complex histories and adolescent confusion over possible homosexuality are being ignored in the rush to accept and celebrate every young person’s new transgender identity.
Clinical psychologists carry out each initial assessment at the Tavistock. They are the gatekeepers who decide whether to refer transgender youngsters to the endocrine clinic for the next stage of treatment. Therapists once had months to work through underlying issues before making decisions on medical intervention, but the clinicians claim that young people are now routinely referred for hormone therapy after as few as three hour-long sessions.
They believe that physically healthy children are being medicated in response to pressure from transgender lobby groups and parental anxieties.
So many potentially gay children were being sent down the pathway to change gender, two of the clinicians said there was a dark joke among staff that “there would be no gay people left”.
“It feels like conversion therapy for gay children,” one male clinician said. “I frequently had cases where people started identifying as trans after months of horrendous bullying for being gay,” he told The Times.
“Young lesbians considered at the bottom of the heap suddenly found they were really popular when they said they were trans.”
Another female clinician said: “We heard a lot of homophobia which we felt nobody was challenging. A lot of the girls would come in and say, ‘I’m not a lesbian. I fell in love with my best girl friend but then I went online and realised I’m not a lesbian, I’m a boy. Phew.’”
The specialists expressed concern at how little confusion over sexuality was explored when a young person requested treatment to change their body.
“I would ask who they wanted to have relationships with, but I was told by senior management that gender is completely separate to sex,” a third female clinician said. “I couldn’t get on board with that, because it isn’t. Some people were transitioning their gender to match their sexuality.”
The service said it was “a welcoming place for people from all sections of the LGBT community”, adding that it had made exploration of sexuality a “more explicit” part of the assessment in response to staff concerns.
Nevertheless, the clinician said that her unease grew after meeting an adult woman whose transition to become a man involved having a double mastectomy. She had since changed her mind.
“What can we do? We can’t reverse that. Do we suggest fake breasts?” she said. “We have such a duty of care to these confused young adolescents, but I think we are failing them.”
The clinic rejected the claims. “We always place a young person’s wellbeing at the centre of our work,” it said. “GIDS staff are engaged daily in thinking about the serious ethical dimensions of our practice. The diversity and complexity of individual cases will always be respected.”
Several clinicians suspected that some of the “transgender” adolescents were reacting to homophobia at home.
“For some families, it was easier to say, this is a medical problem, ‘here’s my child, please fix them!’ than dealing with a young, gay kid,” the third female clinician said. At the service’s “family days”, a parent was allegedly heard saying that they did not want their child to have gay friends because they “didn’t want them mixed up in that hedonistic lifestyle”. “It is converting people into heterosexuals,” one of the clinicians said. “We had so many families who would talk about not wanting their daughters to be lesbian.” Young people “repeatedly” confided their own “disgust” that they may be gay, according to the clinician.
In other cases, she felt young people had concluded they were trans because they didn’t fit traditional gender roles.
“Children’s bodies are being damaged in order to treat societal issues,” she warned. She recalled a case of a 13-year-old child “whose parents were really pressurising us for puberty blockers”. When the clinician refused to refer him, she claims one of the parents, a lawyer, wrote threatening legal letters to the service. The child was eventually referred for blockers.
She would have nightmares about her years at the Tavistock. “I would talk about it as an ‘atrocity’. I know that sounds quite strong, but it felt as if we were part of something that people would look back on in the future, and ask, what were we thinking? In the future I think there will be lots and lots of de-transitioners who feel their bodies were mutilated as young people and who will ask, why did you let me do this? It is very disturbing.”
Studies show that the vast majority of youngsters who begin puberty blockers go on to have irreversible hormone treatment at 16. Some go on to have gender reassignment surgery as adults.
All five clinicians expressed concern over how little young people and their families were being told about the impact of hormone treatment on fertility and sexual function as adults. One claimed young people were unable to give “informed consent” because it was regarded as taboo to discuss the impact of medical intervention on later sexual function in such a young cohort.
The clinic said there were no “taboo” subjects in its work, and that it did not “recognise this allegation as reflecting what happens in the service”. It rejected allegations of conversion therapy and insisted that youngsters were being properly advised on the risks of and about what is unknown about medical intervention. Time and care was taken at every stage to ensure that individuals grasped the potential consequences of their choices, it said, adding that the service had become “increasingly aware” of the need to discuss the impact of treatment on future sexual function.
The GIDS’s own internal review identified procedures around consent as an area of concern. It has recommended that written consent should be obtained before referral for blockers.
Another clinician described how youngsters entered his room enthusing about Alex Bertie, a transgender YouTuber, and My Life: I Am Leo, a documentary about a transgender teen broadcast in a teatime slot on CBBC.
“These are very simplified stories about how easy it would be to transition into being trans. . . that transition is a solution to feeling shit. That is very appealing to lots of teenagers,” the first male clinician said. I felt for the last two years what kept me in the job was the sense there was a huge number of children in danger and I was there to protect them from the service, from the inside.”
One female clinician estimates that she referred about 50 young people for puberty blockers. She now believes she referred too many. Their outcomes remain unclear. “When you start them on puberty blockers, you’re putting them on a pathway that could lead to sexual dysfunction problems and, for the younger kids, will definitely make them infertile. In what other specialism would physical intervention that leads to permanent change to the body be the first line of treatment for a vulnerable child? Activists will tell you it’s unethical not to intervene. But we know that not everyone with gender dysphoria will go on to identify as trans for the rest of their lives.”
One case has haunted her. “All the pushing was coming from the father to put the kid on puberty blockers. Thinking back on it now, I fear that the father was a paedophile and the child was being abused.” There is no suggestion the service knowingly ignored the case, and the outcome is unknown.
The clinic, which is run by the Tavistock and Portman Foundation Trust and whose director is Polly Carmichael, says it is tracking the progress of 44 young people who began puberty blockers in 2011, and that all available evidence is discussed with families. “This is a rapidly developing field and psychosocial and medical professionals are working hard to ensure that we respond to emerging evidence in an appropriate and considered way,” a spokesman said. The growing body of international evidence showed that “thus far, there is little reported evidence of harm,” he added.
“The service undertakes careful assessments over time and continues to see young people whether or not they attend the endocrine clinic following this assessment,” the spokesman said.
The clinic said it was aware of concerns and tensions between different perspectives raised by staff and “clinicians have a duty of care to raise safeguarding concerns”, adding that there were “safe spaces” and structures in place for staff to discuss anything that worried them. It would not comment on specific cases but stressed that a young person’s motivations and choices were discussed at each step.
What began in 1989 as a specialist clinic for gender issues is now under intense scrutiny. A report by David Bell, a former governor at the trust, revealed ethical concerns over “woefully inadequate care”. Staff were furious with the GIDS executive’s response to the report, which stated that its own review found no safeguarding concerns.
The whole service should have been halted when the number of “transgender” cases first exploded, one of the clinicians said. “That’s the point we should have stopped because we didn’t know what we were doing. Are we a service for kids with gender dysphoria, a medical disorder? Or are we a service for ‘transgender kids’?”
A GIDS spokesman said: “We are aware of tensions between different perspectives. These differences are inevitable in such complex work.”
One clinician said it was understandable if her former employer was defensive, saying: “If they are getting it wrong, you have to ask, are they making kids infertile by mistake? Because if they are to truly acknowledge [our concerns], then they will have to ask themselves, what the f
* have we done to thousands of children?”
Gires, GI and Mermaids all denied they viewed transition as a cure-all or that they exerted any undue pressure. Susie Green of Mermaids said the charity “does not encourage parents to demand any particular treatment.” Gendered Intelligence said the allegations against it were “unfounded”. Bernard Reed, founder of Gires, said: “In medical literature . . . failure to provide timely treatment is described as ‘psychological torture’. As far as we are aware, GIDS has adequate safeguards against irreversible treatments being given inappropriately.”
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/families-exploited-by-gender-lobby-groups-pushing-for-treatment-5fddvml8rText of the article copied from
https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/baqmgt/more_from_the_times_this_one_targeting_mermaids/Families ‘exploited by gender lobby groups pushing for treatment’
Lucy Bannerman
April 8 2019, 12:01am, The Times
Transgender lobby groups are encouraging vulnerable young people and their families to push for medical intervention regardless of whether specialists agree it is the best course of action, according to clinicians who have resigned in protest from the NHS’s leading gender identity clinic.
Mermaids, the most prominent transgender pressure group, insists it does not “favour”, “lobby” or “push” for young people who identify as transgender to pursue medical intervention.
Two other organisations, Gendered Intelligence, and the Gender Identity Research and Education Society (Gires) say they do not automatically support physical intervention.
However, frontline clinicians who assessed the thousands of young people coming to the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) for help, said they felt families were “systematically” demanding to be referred for life-changing hormone treatment on the advice of campaigners.
“Mermaids are always saying this is a matter of life and death. ‘Would you rather an alive boy or a dead girl?’ That Mermaids narrative is everywhere [within the service],” one former clinician claimed. “Mermaids sell themselves as a support group,” said another. “They are not. They are lobbyists. During sessions they would sit in the waiting room outside.” She accused Mermaids of exploiting parental anxiety to promote their own agenda — claims denied by Mermaids.
The GIDS’s own internal review acknowledged the rise in the number of families “presenting with their minds apparently made up”.
The same clinician said: “The reality is that if you say the right
trigger words, get Mermaids on your side, by 11 you’ll be on hormone blockers and by 16 you’ll be on hormones. That’s not ethical.”
The GIDS said it was independent and committed to providing an environment where staff were protected from pressures. Mermaids insisted that it “does not tell people what to say or do” and “provides information and resources only”. In its successful submission for a £500,000 grant Mermaids told the National Lottery that its focus was “not medical treatment”.
This claim was dismissed by a third former clinician. “Mermaids, Gires, Gendered Intelligence. . . they all act as if it were their service,” the clinician said. “They are able to call up executive members and influence them.” Another clinician said the GIDS received complaints that “you could tell were written by Mermaids because they are all the same”.
Mermaids admits that it supports families through the complaints process. Susie Green, the chief executive, said: “A system where complaints are denied or ignored would be highly unethical and goes against basic NHS principles. If Mermaids did not communicate with the clinic then it would face legitimate criticism.” She said the charity “does not encourage parents to demand any particular treatment”.
Jay Stewart, chief executive of Gendered Intelligence said the allegations were “unfounded”. “We recognise that medical intervention is not right for all young people,” he said. Bernard Reed, founder of Gires, said: “In medical literature. . . failure to provide timely treatment is described as ‘psychological torture’. As far as we are aware, GIDS has adequate safeguards against irreversible treatments being given inappropriately.”
The GIDS said: “The trust engages with a number of support groups, with a wide range of different positions. These groups include Mermaids and Gendered Intelligence but also those with quite opposite views. The trust always seeks to be independent and focus on the needs of individual children.”
No. 396716
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/doubts-over-evidence-for-using-drugs-on-the-young-2vk26hrvxApril 8 2019, 12:01am, The Times
Doubts over evidence for using drugs on the young
Professor Carl Heneghan
You would think, when it comes to children, the testing and evaluation of medicines would be robust — ensuring the utmost safety. Well, you’d be wrong. The mess we have gotten ourselves into with the treatment of gender dysphoria in children and adolescents highlights all that is concerning with the present use and evaluation of powerful medicines in this age group.
Most evidence for drug use is based on information in adults; evidence in children is scarce, and the majority of drugs in use are frequently supported by low-quality evidence about their use beyond the usual age for puberty, or in many cases no evidence at all.
Drugs in children, therefore, often require off-label use, meaning their use is outside of what the drug was approved for and detailed in the Summary of Product Characteristics, including using a drug to avoid, not just delay, puberty and following it with cross-sex hormone treatment.
As an example, in transgender females, oestrogen therapy alone is often insufficient to produce the desired feminising effects. Spironolactone, commonly used in the treatment of heart failure, is used off label owing to its oestrogenic effects. It blocks testosterone, and the oestrogen-like effects cause menstrual disturbances, breast enlargement and breast tenderness in females, and gynaecomastia (swelling of the breast tissue in boys or men) and impotence in males, often leading to its discontinuation.
The GIDS does not use spironolactone, but it has been used to treat adolescents with gender dysphoria in the US. All clinics use different drugs and different doses and that in itself is concerning.
Children are not small adults; their changing body composition requires careful dosing; their physiology creates unique challenges that increase risks, and off-label use may lead to serious and life-threatening consequences. In my view, given the paucity of evidence, the off-label use of drugs that occurs in gender dysphoria largely means an unregulated live experiment on children.
Treatments for gender dysphoria in children and adolescents include suppressing puberty and the use of gender-affirming hormones before decisions about gender-affirming surgery. The collection and evaluation of evidence, particularly when it comes to ensuring their safety, should therefore be a priority. It is not.
The available evidence comes from small studies, is retrospective rather than prospective, and has lost considerable numbers of children in the follow-up. Studies also lack control groups (making it difficult to tell anything about the intended effects), there are no randomised trials and the presence of subjective outcomes along with the lack of blinding mean all together the current evidence does not support informed decision-making. The dearth of evidence in gender dysphoria doesn’t surprise me. What does surprise me is that we have devolved responsibility for making life-changing decisions to one clinic, to a few doctors, with no national guidelines in place. And that we have accepted that individuals facing distressing life-changing situations are ill informed.
The Department of Health told the BBC’s Panorama programme that it was “committed to ensuring thorough accountability and oversight. . . and will review any arrangements when appropriate”. Its response is pitiful — “review any arrangements when appropriate”, what does that mean?
The BBC investigation I participated in highlights the considerable uncertainties that require addressing to inform safe care for gender dysphoria. If in doubt, ask for the evidence.
Carl Heneghan is a professor of evidence-based medicine at the University of Oxford
GIDS response
GIDS has explained it uses licensed precocious puberty drugs whose long-term effects are known. It said “There is growing evidence internationally on the outcomes of pubertal suppression and sex hormones in adolescents with gender dysphoria. Thus far there is little reported evidence of harm” It added that it “responds to emerging evidence in an appropriate and considered way.” and is carrying out its own research and uses “the preliminary data from this work to inform clinical care”. It added that the service is safe and an independent review “did not identify any immediate issues in relation to patient safety or failings in the overall approach taken by the service.
No. 396717
>>396709I was going to say this also. I don't know anyone who flushes tampons, and have always been told to NOT flush them since it's risking toilet clogging.
I'm convinced those comments must be from men. At least I sincerely hope so.
Also if this was true, why would women's restrooms need sanitary bins at all?
I'd consider it being a troll but the persistence and insistence that it's "proof" of the story being fake leads me to believe it isn't.
Anyway that thread was a depressing ride. reddit must attract a lot of trannies and handmaidens.
No. 396726
>>396724The text of this article was posted in
>>396338Replies where?
No. 396743
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>>396737I deleted it because I was going to add to it, forgot to save the image, and the joke wasn't worth finding/editing the image again.
But speaking of Jonathan Jessica Yaniv, he just filed two new suits on April 4th. This time with the BC Supreme Court, not a Human Rights Tribunal.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/jonathan-yaniv-jessica-yaniv-trustednerd-trustednerd-com-jy-knows-it-jy-british-columbia.49790/page-169#post-4547762 No. 396744
>>396743Oh good, I guess I'm a little paranoid regarding censorship when it comes to this particular creep.
Is he going by "X" now?
No. 396847
>>396826She's probably never really thought about it. Many people do not want to be seen as a bigot, unwittingly sacrificing their own rights in the process. Is she / does she consider herself to be a feminist?
Because T has always been included with LGB, many people who are supportive of gay rights accept the TRA rhetoric without question.
No. 396878
Experiment on kids’: Cross-sex hormone therapy age down to 8 in US govt-funded study, doctor finds
Cross-sex hormones may now be given to US children as young as eight in a government-supported research program, despite the risks these drugs can pose, a doctor skeptical of transitioning gender-dysphoric kids has discovered.
“Imagine giving eight-year-old girls testosterone,” Dr. Michael Laidlaw told a Heritage Foundation panel. “They are in third or fourth grade. This is unbelievable. But this is going on.” Laidlaw, an endocrinologist, discovered via a Freedom of Information Act request that the minimum age for administration of cross-sex hormones had been lowered from 13 to 8 in a large five-year study being conducted at the Children’s Hospital Los Angeles.
This whole thing is an experiment on children.
Laidlaw blamed the National Institutes of Health (NIH) for “allowing unethical research to be conducted on children and adolescents,” as Dr. Johanna Olson-Kennedy, who runs the Los Angeles study, received a $5.7 million grant from the NIH.
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https://www.rt.com/usa/455696-kids-given-hormones-transgender-panel/ No. 396879
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TW: plebbit
https://np.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/bb05wn/aita_for_asking_my_roommate_to_stay_with_her/a bunch of the replies saying that op is a clearly a troll with an "anti-trans" agenda, as if troons don't say this shit frequently
No. 396887
>>396692Even if this WAS a fake post the people only bitching about m-muh misgendering are being ridiculous. The "you don't have to tell
HER to get help, she isn't insane!!" one made me want to die, you mean drinking tampon tea to become a woman isn't fucking bonkers?
>>396879Hooooly shit the amount of NPD at work here is fucking unfathomable. I'd say this is a troll post if I didn't know these fucks actually pull stunts like this.
No. 396888
>>396879This is definitely real. You can tell by the selfish, whiny tone and clear narcissism. No one but someone who's a troon or deep, deep in their circles can duplicate such a thing so effortlessly. From personal experience, this is exactly how they behave when they're in one of their moods.
I even checked the OP's post history, and from the way they behave after the fact, there's no way this isn't a troon.
No. 396891
>>396887>>396886>>396884Speaking of which: any suggestions on how to handle "they're just the loudest ones - they're not representative of their population! the loudest, most obnoxious ones will always be the most visible!!!" people?
For like a year now I've been feeding my bf news and vids and examples of narcissism but he still refuses to accept that it isn't just a few bad apples that end up getting more media coverage or something because they're so notably bad
No. 396911
>>396878Non-sensationalist source:
http://grantome.com/grant/NIH/R01-HD082554-01A1>The study will include two groups of gender dysphoric youth: one in the earliest stages of pubertal development to assess the impact of puberty suppression, and one in later stages of pubertal development to assess the impact of cross-sex hormones for gender transition.>Specifically, in the earlier pubertal cohort (Tanner stages 2-3; n=80) the study will evaluate the impact on mental health, psychological well-being, physiologic parameters and bone health as well as document safety of GnRH agonists administered for puberty suppression.>In the later pubertal cohort (Tanner stages 4-5; n=200) the study will evaluate the impact on mental health, psychological well-being, and metabolic/physiologic parameters, as well as document the safety of cross-sex hormones administered for gender transition.The study doesn't aim to lower age of cross-sex hormones to 8, but to only administer GnRH agonists (to delay puberty) to Tanner stages 2-3 (usually age 9+) patients. Administration of cross-sex hormones is intended only for Tanner 4-5 patients (usually age 12+).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanner_scaleGnRH agonists are not cross-sex hormones.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonadotropin-releasing_hormone_agonistAssociated publications:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5604229/>Fertility Preservation for Transgender Adolescentshttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5549539/>Multidisciplinary Care for Gender-Diverse Youth: A Narrative Review and Unique Model of Gender-Affirming Care>parental participation is required for youth under the age of 18>For youth and families interested in initiating GnRHa or gender-affirming hormones, the initial visit includes a discussion of GDC protocol and, when indicated, our clinical practice of considering gender-affirming hormones for youth who are cognitively and emotionally prepared around the age of 14. This practice varies from the Endocrine Society recommendation to wait until around age 16 for hormone treatment.Request for records, still in progress:
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/california-52/the-impact-of-early-medical-treatment-in-transgender-youth-nih-70203/ No. 396916
>>396911Thanks, anon! I couldn't find an alternate journalistic source and debated posting it at all, but Michael Laidlaw himself seems to check out.
I came across the article when I fell down the Tavistock rabbit hole.