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This thread is for the discussion of gender critical thinking and general trans criticism. It was originally created by Admin as an amalgamation of the TERF and Transgender threads.
Previous threads >>>/ot/221232>>>/ot/231926>>>/ot/248302
TERF thread >>>/g/67378
Transpassing thread >>>/ot/214811
Trans women thread >>>/ot/203215
Gender critical and radical feminism define gender
as sociological (feminine/masculine) and sex
as biological (female/male). Woman
is defined as an adult human female. Radical feminists seek to abolish gender as it is used by patriarchy to oppress women socially, reproductively, and financially. They strive to preserve women's spaces (such as restrooms, locker rooms, and health care providers) and areas of artistic and intellectual expression separate from men.
Transgenderism posits that one's gender is self-determined based on one's feelings and defines woman
as the characteristics and behaviors traditionally ascribed to females by society. Increasingly, transactivists are conflating gender and sex and asserting that a person can self-identify both gender and sex.
Gender critical feminists strive to maintain the distinction between gender and sex. The conflation of gender and sex erases the biological reality of women, eliminates women-only spaces, and disestablishes women as a protected class. Legislation currently being passed in western countries allowing for self-identification on legal documents does not differentiate between gender and sex.
The acronym TERF (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminism) is used primarily by transactivists and their allies to denigrate radical feminists and other women who express gender critical ideas. Transactivists portray TERFs as violent oppressors by virtue of their ideas alone.
Posts of related news and web articles are welcome. Posts of photos, videos, and blogs of transactivists for the purposes of discussion and critique are welcome. Please refrain from derailing, infighting, and ad hominem attacks. This thread is not intended for the general discussion of sexuality, misogyny, and misandry.
Documenting violent crimes committed by transgender individuals
This Never Happenshttps://www.facebook.com/groups/1722756661380462http://transcrimeuk.com
Parents and clinicians concerned about transgender youthhttps://4thwavenow.comhttps://transgenderreality.com/abouthttps://www.transgendertrend.com
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Maximum kek at everyone in these threads. All this insane bullshit is the logical extension of the LGBBQ crap you've been pushing for decades, handwaving the concerns as "le ebil nadzees with slippery slope fallacy". Now that the results are staring you in the face you suddenly don't like it. It's especially funny to see you still trying to rationalise yourselves as the victim somehow, like it's a crazy conspiracy against women generally or lesbians specifically, rather than just continued "progress" along the jewish path of social destruction.
You caused this. This is your own doing. Where will the next step take us? I'm excited to find out.
Don't call it a grave. It's the future you chose.(lel)
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TBH im not sure Troons parrot literal Nazi talking points much.
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OP pic is still a legend. Apparently a troon was trying to doxx this hero and nobody would give away her name. Glorious.
Anyone else keeping up with dr Stock and the backlash she received… along with unexpected support from fellow academics? Made my week.>>267922
Yeah, this. Do not engage.
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Also, did you see this idiot? He got into a private women's group on facebook and started posting all their info on Twitter, with pictures of their kids included. Sick fucker.
Anyone seen this? kek>>267929
This dude is an incredible piece of shit… He literally doxxed women and their CHILDREN for not sucking up to his shitty desillusions.
The comments are cancer:>I educate in a really large progressive group, and recently had a real awakening about my gendered language with regard to abortion (which is being talked about more than usual lately because of SCOTUS). I've been working really hard to un-gender my language when I am educating and talking about abortion, for exactly the reasons you state.
>terf cislesbians owe most of their rights from the trans community I'm disgusted that terfs exclude trans women they have their rights because of THE MARSHA P. JOHNSON WHO IS A TRANS WOMAN
That totally sounds like "Those stupid womenz should be more grateful that us men grant them rights"…
Marsha probably had more sense than these idiots.
>gendered language with regard to abortion
Women (female adults) have abortions. Men (male adults) don't have abortions because they can't get pregnant.
Male and female is not some kind of ideology, it's a fact of life. Just like someone who bleaches their hair will never be a "natural blonde", men who cosplay as women will never be a "real woman".
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The reaction to ariana's new video is just…unreal. One of the few times snowflake/triggered seems appropriate
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But wait! Theres more…
i was in the celebricows thread hating on her but i may have to rethink my opinion on the video based on the triggering
. i hope she doesn't issue an apology for not having giant dicks as set pieces in her video
>>268180>because trans woman=woman and god gives life/women give life
WTF?! Trans women don’t give life! You can’t conceive. You don’t sacrifice your body and health growing a child in your WOMB. After steady hormones, your balls are pretty much useless and you can’t even impregnate a woman anyway. These sick fucks watch too much hentai and think dick-chick impregnation is a real thing.
I’m so done with Western, female-hating “Feminism”. Notice how none of these assholes suggest God could be a transman? Always male-centric.
My brain, help. Is these Twitter people's dream world one where all references to biological women are erased because it's offensive? There's only men, trans women (men) and Those Nasty Terfs
Highly concentrated insanity.
Did these retards lose their minds like this Janelle Monae’s PYNK video? I don’t exactly care for Ariana but a woman can’t even sing about her vagina in a positive way without trannies somehow making it about themselves and their feelings.
Ariana better not apologise for this tbh
>>268187>trans women are women too
Whenever people say this I refuse to take them seriously and immediately see them as liars. In the back of your mind you know for a fact that this statement is false in every way.
>the line ''pussy power'' doesn't sound trans-inclusive
good. It shouldn't be.
>there were no trans women in the video
No men in a video literally about women
This is the state of feminism in 2018, everyone. Jesus, these people are so hateable.
Yeah that ain't gonna work and is a horrible waste of funding.>>268214
How do they even know there are no transwomen in the video? I thought most transwomen pass flawlessly and we pass dozens of them in the streets every day without noticing. Sounds pretty transphobic tbqh yikes
Another article comprised of two paragraphs of text. Since he cannot generate the ovaries and eggs we are born with, will have to do IVF, and will also need daily injections of hormones and then at some point a caesarean…
most trans women can't be bothered dilating their new organs never mind all that so uptake would be minimal.
The sweden womb transfer they refer to in the article was done on a woman
I can't comprehend a genetically male body successfully creating placenta, cushioning tissue and feeding the baby, at most it could keep an infertile womb alive as a hollow organ but the gestation growth process seems impossible.
They did, until janelle came out and said the pink baeball bats were meant to represent transwomen. Then they lost their shit over that because apparently thats transphobic too.
You cant win with these idiots.
This Pink News site sees to be tranny media…
Anyways, one commenter who wrote something actually reasonable (and wasn't deleted by them lol) explained why it isn't possible very well>It's not simply a matter of transplanting the uterus, men also lack the necessary support systems (blood vessels to link to the uterus, the ligaments to hold it in place, hormones needed for pregnancy, a vagina and cervix, the pelvic space and so on). Research would need to be done on solving all these issues before the idea of a uterus transplant for men is even floated as potential research.
As a response somebody wrote this>Forensic osteologist found there to be more than 10% overlap of the pelvis between normal males and normal females and that includes the pubic bone, subpubic angle and greater sciatic notch,Hormones at adolesence will cause a classically female pelvis
for MTFs for the 90% who do not have overlap of the pelvis with normal females. The musculature and vascular supply is easy. I say 7 years and injecting donor blood cells can eliminate the need for immunosuppresants although these meds have not been a problem for normal females and likely not for transwomen.
So if you we inject them with hormones at a young enough age everything will be alright…?
Some of the gay ones might, and I'm sure there are extreme fetishists out there who consider this the next step in their fantasy. But I agree that most of them have no genuine interest in being pregnant and only "want" this so that they have something else to lord over women while declaring us to be expendable.>>268252
Ugh I didn't even think of that. Like hell am I going to let my womb rot in some delusional man's abdominal cavity.
Living donors… uterus transplants can only be done with living donors.
As far as transplanting a uterus into a male; it could never happen, they don't even have the space or blood supply to support such an organ. Even with females, it's highly problematic
; women have to be given anti rejection drugs throughout their pregnancy (unknown effect on the foetus), it is removed after pregnancy, they can not carry to full term, they are severely reduced (bedridden), and all pregnancies have to be done via C-section and it has a high complication rate + risk not only for the 'mother' but for the baby too.
Tbh it's pretty unethical as a woman to have a uterus transplant…
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Heres a joke for you guys in 3 parts
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AAANNNDDDDD the punchline
Their extreme face-editing makes them look like one of those robots with flat-plane faces displayed on a screen. >>268278
The woman he reported resembles his most favorite person in the world which adds another level of wtf
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This is some real “female masking” shit.
that actually brought to mind how stupid it is that people thing troons don't have a fetish, there's already tons
of weird shit like that that men get of to. animegao, women masking, sissy, it just shows how insane these autogyn deniers are.
People who don’t know how deep the trans rabbithole goes often refuse to believe that anyone would go that far for a fetish, but then when I show them this kind of shit they look at me like I’m
the creep for knowing about these things. It’s really frustrating. It kind of makes me wish for more media-hungry Stefonknee types bringing this shit to light by themselves.
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who is he trying to fool?! top kek
troons gonna troon
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Going through /r/transpassing it seems they’re all older men obsessed with age. Asking users to guess how old they are in each post. It’s so painfully obvious they want to be young hip teenage girls and not the creepy out of touch old males they are.
Obvious paraphelia is obvious.
It's an indication of how much they shape their perception of womanhood by cultural expectations of what the patriarchy expects us to look like. Airbrushed, sexualised, always young, always fuckable - a superficial, materialistic pornsick male view of woman.
The irony is that they have absolutely no way of ever reaching that ideal. If they have enough money to chuck at surgery, they might end up with a sad plastic version of it that convinces no one.
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I've thought about a lot of things when really abhorrent things are posted ITT, but I always take comfort in the fact that your typical normie will never accept these people as actual men and women. They will always be an other to the general populace. It doesn't matter how much plastic surgery they get done, how good they are at imitating the opposite sex, or any other factor that makes them think they can ignore their biological reality. Humans are innately so good at recognizing when something is 'off' about an individual which is why the uncanny valley is a thing.
Not only that, but the insane, vocal ones are going to turn off anyone who is outside of the LGBT space. How do you think your average dudebro or blue collar worker is going to react to "girl dicks" or screeching about the cotton ceiling? Even if these entitled men/women get the policies they demand, they will be no more accepted than they are now, and they will only be further ostracized into their safe spaces as people feel infringed upon and push back.
I think once society finally realizes transitioning children so young is the worst idea ever, we'll start seeing things turn around on them. Part of me was hoping Jazz instigated this, though as he already got his SRS, seems unlikely now.
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Ah, yes, the milestones of womanhood: buying clothes, doing makeup and shaving your legs.
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How come troons like Jazz Jennings and Kim Petras still look off despite starting HRT very young?
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I think he believes normal people wish to live in cyberpunk worlds but when they're confronted with someone who is actually cringy enough to take on that aesthetic, they lash out? People like anime, still doesn't mean that people who dress and speak like anime people aren't an embarrassement to our species.
Or he believes that being trans in itself is cyberpunk because they change their bodies to such an extent? I somehow don't believe that cyborgs in cyberpunk a) are anything like troons and b) don't REEE about how they're 100% robots and machines "born" robots should be called cis robot.
But just trying to wrap my head about what this mentally ill person is trying to say is really painful.
Tfw these people are only saying this to look like a “good person”
Trans “women” are literally the new gay best friend
The difference, of course, being that people in cyberpunk settings and cyborgs actually look cool. Trannies just look like pigs in lipstick.
Then again, cyberpunk often has themes of corporate overlords controlling everything and how people are slaves to corporations and shit. Trannies are certainly slaves to fashion, cosmetics, hormones, plastic surgery, and all that. Maybe trannies are cyberpunk. Just not in the way this tool thinks.
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trancel describing his changes on estrogen
low hanging fruit, but i got triggered
he said he started hormones at 13 and them someone asked him his height.
i don't know what that has to do with bone fusing tbh guys a loon
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>>269016>I became dumb because of estrogen
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>>269016>I'm cognitively not as smart as men are.
yeah but remember transgenderism isn't AT ALL based on misogyny.
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>>269071>mfw low iq shim thinks his retardation is because he's """female""" and not because shimdom is correlated with autism which correlates with low iq which is why he lacks the capacity to pinpoint the reason why he has low iq in the first place
It's because he started hormones at an early age, what he got is a defective male brain that's insufficiently developed due to lack of natal testosterone exposure.
But of course, make it look like women are dumber because of estrogen…so typically male.
This, I get so triggered
when these people talk about "female" or "woman" as some nebulous ~feeling~. And they never seem to be able to describe what the feeling is without using outdated gender roles
I don't "identify" as a woman, I AM a woman because I have a female body, the same way I have brown eyes. Putting coloured contacts in, no matter how well made doesn't change the fact that under that, I still have brown eyes.
It's so sexist and backwards how they conflate gender norms which change with time and culture with innate biology.
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That user's post history is a trip
It's especially funny because blue used to be the "female" colour and me and most of the actual women I know prefer blue clothes/accessories to pink
>>269158>Most people don't seem to actually know what a 'terf is
Trannies certainly know what a terf is and, deep down, understand how reasonable the idealogy is. It's the biggest possible threat to their delusions and brainwashing, because it actually makes sense and has the potential to change a libfem's point of view. They have to attack and discredit it as much as possible to prevent people coming to their senses, and if that means pretending terfs are violent and evil so be it.
Realistically, the genuine threats to their safety and well being are garden variety homophobic straight dudes who beat them up- but that's only a danger to individuals, transactivists as a whole use it to further their cause and convince people how oppressed they are.
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"trans men don't have to be masculine or have a penis to be male! why won't gay men date me!!" (context: OP asked on r/gaybros whether people would date a FTM and the majority of men said they just weren't attracted to FTMs)
so, lo and behold, the same redditor 2 years later…
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(but seriously, fuck trans ideology for making gender non-conforming people think there's something wrong with them. i'm happy for this girl.)
>lots of guys don't have a penis but "identify" as having a penis>"trans* guy" "identifies" as having a vagina>still upvoted by 11 points
Ahahaha, it's usually always trans"women" spouting the most bullshit, nice to see some trans "men" taking over the reigns of extreme mental gymnastics for once. Wow.>>269179
I feel both sorry for and irritated by the teens brought up on tumblr who believe this crap.
I'm a woman with a lot of stereotypically masculine hobbies and personally traits and I've never considered that makes me less of a woman, but I wonder if I could have fallen down this rabbithole as an easily impressionable 14 year old on tumblr in Current Year.
from kiwi thread
A transgender prisoner is accused of sexually assaulting four female inmated at a West Yorkshire prison days after she was jailed.
The first alleged attack is said to have taken place within a week of her arrival at New Hall jail in Wakefield.
She had not yet had gender reassignment surgery when she was jailed in the women’s prison, according to a report in The Sun.
prisons should be divided according to biological sex only.
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my hand slippedi want terf memes
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Yet transwomen say that discrimination is based on gender, not sex
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No you inbred cockmong, they don't. Just like faggot males who get raped in male prisons don't get transferred to women's. 1+1=2.
I know you're a high school drop out, but you're getting there.
Oh god, this is so enraging I can't even.
If you have a penis and sexually assault women in prison then HOW YOU SELF-IDENTIFY IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. Your delusional feelings do not trump women's rights to safety. It's one thing to argue about bathroom use, but this is just FUCKING INSANE. This is undeniably putting the safety of women at risk for the sake of catering to a sex offender's delusion.
Here's a crazy idea… if you're transgender and don't want to be put in a men's prison… don't sexually assault the female inmates.
FOR FUCKS SAKE MEN ARE NOT ALLOWED IN FEMALE PRISONS FOR A REASON AND WHAT THIS GUY DID IS THE FUCKING REASON.
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Yeah, Jones has always been oddlyyyy concerned with trannies being allowed in women’s prison. He’s a real piece of shit.
If you sexually assault inmates, you should not be allowed a second chance at victimizing more women; your male ass needs to be sent to M A L E prison.
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Pic related happened pretty recently.>>268634
I hate how shallow these people are.>>269163>can't make a post about phones without mentioning being a tranny>>269170>It's disgusting to me how people can call themselves feminists yet still blame all the evils in the world on other women while never holding men accountable for anything.
Very male, though.>>269176
Male means XY chromosomes. Biology is not a social construct.>>269201>The latest figures show there were 125 transgender prisoners in England and Wales at the end of March 2017, up from 70 a year earlier.
That's a lot.>>269246
I miss when this was just called being a tomboy.>>269409
Just keep all of them in solitary.
This tranny period thing seriously triggers
me and I don't even have endo or anything.
Hit enter too early but jeez. Anyone can experience cramping, mood swings, fatigue, and what not but that's not the entire point! EVERY GIRL HAS TO FIGURE OUT HER OWN PERIOD. PERIOD! Not to mention that all the other symptoms can never mask the fact that a healthy menstruation involves the fucking bleeding!
I am so fucking sick and tired of trannies whining about being taught shit that most women and girls are left on their own to figure out.
have you guys seen his "why i'm a lesbian" video with his equally carny-tier, trashy, embarrassing girlfriend who calls herself "the dicksuckingest lesbian you've ever seen"? these two are so milky. his gf rubs two popsicles on her tongue and says:
"if god's willing, i will spend the rest of my life with a face full of their flaccid, estrogen-soaked, testosterone-blocked penises, framed by perfectly by their chubby little thighs and round hips, and when i reach up, i will grab their their tits until they squeal, and it will continue to be nothing, NOTHING like my relationships with a man. my name is Heather McNamara, and i'm the most dicksuckingest lesbian you'll ever meet!!!!"
it starts at like 6:24
I can't imagine what'd be like to be in a women's shelter and then some guy with make-up on comes in. >The guy who says "Transpeople are very scared of talking publicly about trans issues"
Obviously they are so scared they have to violently attack actual women. Also he looks like a guy with long hair, because that's what he is.
The anti-TERF men shouting sound just like what they are: Men. Get some fucking voice training.
lmao, this. Cis people (who are not psychotic handmaidens/men) don't need to put their pronouns in their Twitter bios. And the people who put they/them are always born female, no exceptions. >>269879
A ton of male soyboy "journalists" (i.e. bloggers for a gaming site) have their he/him pronouns up there too. I'm disappointed in Mercer though, I thought he'd have enough sense not to fall into this retarded pronoun announcing game.
Could you post links?
I'm trying to get back into keto as well, and would love some tips.
idgaf what guys think, I've been on imageboards for so long that I grew numb on their comments but maybe having a keto friend to share tips would be swell too!
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Does anyone else automatically get this deep-seated, primitive fear when they see an autogynephile? They all have such uncanny valley, mask-like faces and expressions that make them look like homocidal wax statues. I’m not sure if men get this feeling too or it’s just my female brain warning me to get away.
Saged for noncon
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Or you could realize that gender roles are bullshit, and reject the idea of them, and be yourself completely. But that wouldn't tick off internet oppression boxes, would it? I also like the added bonus of e-begging. These people are always like that.
I get this too. I have no problem with effeminate men or men who like fashion or makeup or whatever but AGPs have always made me feel extremely uncomfortable and on edge, even before I knew what they really were. It’s like my brain instantly clocks them as predators, as wolves in sheeps clothing.
I recently ran into a particularly bad one at work. He was over 6’5”, wearing a teeny tiny little black dress that hardly covered his crotch, his hair was a shoulder length rat’s nest, he had bright red lipstick smeared around his mouth and blue eyeshadow up to his eyebrows, and the posture of a Elder Scrolls troll. I felt a chill going down my spine as he lumbered past me. I’m so glad I didn’t have to interact with him because I don’t think I would have been able to look him in the face while calling him “ma’am”.
I also wonder how other men feel about guys like that. My friend circle is pretty liberal so I suspect most of them wouldn’t admit to any kind of negative feelings for fear of being accused of transphobia or homophobia. Can it even be considered homophobia when most of these guys are straight?
I dated a troon months before they hinted they wanted to transition. They started giving off those creeper vibes & a hodgepodge of other things a year later so I cut the relationship & had to keep on the down low any criticisms of them for months since I had lots of trans activist friends at the time.
Last time I checked up on them they literally had photos of them hanging out at the beach with none other than the infamous Buffalo Bill in their swimsuits. I was hysterically laughing since I really dodged a bullet there.
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I know this is a tad embarrassing but I'm really into asmr. Last night I was watching some pms relievement ones and guess what I saw in the comments: "Uhm, guys can get periods too."
They really can't leave us alone. Just picture some old dude watching this for his imaginary period pain…
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Found this while shopping
Yes, mutilating your functional body, being medically dependant for the rest of your life, injecting yourself with synthetic shit and killing yourself in your 30s is totes kawaii ^o^
>>270711>While the category of autogynephile is a construct of the medical establishment,
Ah, yes, the good old "thing I don't like/disagree with is a construct".
>Bill’s disturbing violence is very much representative of bigoted and hateful ideas about trans women advanced in the name of feminism.
Or it's representative of the hate and fetishizing men, including autogynephiles, have towards women.
A list of the serial killers Buffalo Bill was based off of, according to Thomas Harris and Wikipedia:
>Harris based various elements of Gumb's MO on six real-life killers:
>Jerry Brudos, who dressed up in his victims' clothing and kept their shoes.>Edward Gein, who fashioned trophies and keepsakes from the bones and skin of corpses he dug up at cemeteries. He also made a female skin suit and skin masks.>Ted Bundy, who pretended to be injured (using an arm-brace or crutches) as a ploy to ask his victims for help. When they helped him, he incapacitated and killed them, dumping their bodies far away.>Gary M. Heidnik, who kidnapped and tortured six women and held them prisoner as sex slaves.>Edmund Kemper, who, like Gumb, killed his grandparents as a teenager "just to see what it felt like.">Gary Ridgway, the Green River Killer (still unidentified at the time of the novel's writing), who, like Gumb, dumped women's bodies in rivers and inserted foreign objects into their corpses.
I'm not seeing the trans community clamoring to claim Ed Gein as one of their own, that's for sure.
I lol'd>I felt a chill going down my spine as he lumbered past me
I would like to subscribe to your blog anon
I think most people (normies) think it's stupid and don't pay any attention beyond 'lol look at this guy in a dress'. But amongst more socially aware people, I'm guessing a lot more people are suspicious of it than are willing to admit. You'll see them questioning it in the most tactful, inoffensive way possible sometimes, and I'm starting to see more and more people on traditionally ~woke~ websites being assertive about their gender critical perspectives.
It's just really hard because transactivism has become so closely connected with REAL fights against oppression or social issues that speaking against it becomes automatically on par with racism, homophobia or misogyny in people's eyes. It's scary.
I first saw this on tumblr, guess it migrated. I feel petty for being so annoyed with it.
1. Pronouns should be self explanatory if you say you're a woman/man
2. he/him/his <- this shit. Why do you need to tell me the forms of the pronoun, again, it's fucking self explanatory.
Like? What is the reasoning? Is it because they feel 'nonbinary' is embarrassing or too complex to use?
>>270838>Transgender person is aligning their internal gender identity with their appreanace
Nope, they're doing it the other way around. What you just said is just therapy.>Transracialism is denying your ancestry
Because transgender people don't deny what they were born as at all.>Dolezal didn't grow up living life as a black girl
Troons didn't grow up as girls.
She's dismantling her own arguments. What an idiot.
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I love the way transracialism has exposed the stupidity of transgenderism. I take J-Roc from Trailer Park Boys more seriously than I take the average troon.>>270879>loving shit that women can't stand
Yep. Typical male attention whoring and fetishization.
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And there it is. The truth of all of this bullshit. Everyone knows sexism is based in biology and not identity, it's just people have lost the backbone to say so.
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This reminded me of the TRA reaction on tumblr to a piece of redkatherinee's art. If you read the notes on the original post, it's full of reeeing about "LITERALLY BOILING TRANS PEOPLE ALIVE" as if it was some horrific gore, rather than a pretty benign satire of "misgendering trans people is literal violence".
You could say the same thing about this post, because the tone is clearly that of a joke but if I wanted to kick up a fuss I could accuse him of wanting to mutilate women's breasts.
>>270881>shit that women can't stand
Uhm I've never been catcalled and I wish it actually happened from time to time instead of being treated like an asexual child by society.
Apparently I'm less attractive even than a fucking tranny. Having a vagina is completely useless.
Is being objectified the kind of attention you want?
Love yourself, anon.
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>I also do not have any GLBT friends at all since the trans panels I used to speak at have replaced all trans people with "non-binary" people even though they want the total opposite of what us trans people do.
wow i can't imagine what that would feel like, some group that doesn't represent you at all intruding your space, replacing you and taking away your voice :( :(
Troons are so fucking clueless>complain about people fearing they're a potential danger toward women>joke about doing something several dysphoric serial killers have done because god forbid someone acknowledge any downside to the anatomy they fetishize
Also the sweet irony in him complaining about women not appreciating their boobs enough when he hates his male anatomy so much that he's mutilating his body. A ftm could say the exact same thing to him…
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Describe this picture
Well yes I want to be seen as a sexual object, even if the person making the comment doesn't have good intentions. Just being acknowledged as a female potentially sexual being would be nice for once.
Puberty basically never came along for me and I am permanently a chubby flat chested 12 year old in my 20's and weightloss doesn't even improve the situation. Not even a pedo would want to touch me. Like fuck why do governments and insurance companies fund all the reassignment surgeries for troons, but they wouldn't support me getting surgery and help to look like a real woman. I don't even have tits to 'get out', only a useless fucking vagina nobody ever wants anything to do with. I'd have to put my vagina to a gloryhole if I would want to lose my virginity or pay a male hooker.
said, it's a sexism thing. Fags/trannies/men who love shitting on women will use GLBT instead of LGBT. You see similar shit with racist types too. Hang out on /pol/, and you'll notice white is always capitalized while black isn't. On the flipside, hang out on Tumblr or among other "woke" circles, and it'll be black that is capitalized but not white.
I mean the make up and hair is fine, kind of suits him.
But the sailor moon little japanese school costume sets off my creep alarm. Especially as he is clearly in his mid thirties at the very least.
Behold the female incel.
Weightloss would likely do a /lot/ for you.
Cat calling isn't seeing a woman as 'sexy' it's to assert male dominance. As other posters have mentioned it's often mocking not flirty.
>me getting surgery and help to look like a real woman.
You either are a woman or you're not. Being ugly doesn't disqualify you from womanhood.
I agree, his makeup/hair/face are actaully decent (ESPECIALLY after seeing some of the really repulsive ones on this thread and previous ones).
But that anime sailor fuku shit has to go. It kills everything else.
Indeed, it has nothing to do with the men acknowledging you as sexy. Sure, a lot of women who are sexy and dress in revealing clothes get comments about their nice body, but I've been catcalled while wearing an oversized wintercoat going down to my ankles. All my greasy hair stuck under a cap and my nose red and face all puffy because I had the flu. Guy drove by and cried "nice ass" when one couldn't even see the shape of it beneath the coat.
Not that it would have been a nice ass anyway, but point is the comment had nothing to do with him finding me attractive and all about him being an asshole.
lmao>implying that greasy ESL landscapers trying to tell you in english that you have a nice ass at a stoplight is flattering
Even at BMI 16 I looked chubby so losing weight doesn't help, my body is just THAT unfortunate. I still don't even get my period, apparently my hormones are okay but my body is just not acting like an adult's. I probably can't even use my womb to have kids even if I could find someone to screw me. >>271109
Nope, got told: 'I'd rather fuck a corpse than stick anything inside of you' by the one person I did match with
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It’s almost as if their made up label isn’t real.
Also, when I see mtf claim they have a period I am instantly reminded of that South Park episode where they bleed out of their ass.
Germany/lutheran countries have one of the more strict transsexual laws(like enforced sterilization) so people who actually are distressed about their bodies went through with it but lately the self-identification has spread here from America.>>271067
He's a cross-dresser/queer, not trans.
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what the fuck am i reading
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I don't want to live any more
Can we take a moment to remember that considering this shit a mental illness makes you a bigot in today's society?
Also, note how he has his cup size in his user name. Not fetishization at all.
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US US US ALWAYS ABOUT US IT’S CANON
No one even thought about trannies in 2001 shut your ass up they’re just being nice
I want to say the problem isn't being trans so much as this person has NO CONCEPT of hygiene or the idea that blood is dangerous and spreads disease.
also that font color scheme is from fetlife so idk what you were expecting. sane people on fetlife? c'mon. that and I have yet to see a single actual trans person on fetlife. they are not transitioning to a female role in society, they're just dude who get off on the idea that appearing female is humiliating.
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Some FtM I follow on tumblr asked for honest opinions on whether or not they come across as more masculine/feminine when they speak. I said neither because men and women don't have a set manner of speaking (especially online), and now they're being passive aggressive towards me kek. I'm surprised they haven't blocked me yet.
I'm from a smaller european country and recently visited San Francisco with a few friends. I was thrilled at first to find so many cool comic shops filled with small fanzines until I saw a stand with those medal tag (?) with pronouns on it (Xe, xir, they them).
Honestly when your exposure is only through internet it's jarring at first. I really thought everything I read on here is exagerated and the loud voice of a very very small minority but I guess not ?
I also saw bats and a (fake ?) axe with some flags colors, I guess bi, trans and binary whatever, exposed on the walls. As a lesbian that does not want to touch a dick that made me feel kind of unsafe. It's like everything I read on the internet suddenly turned out to be very real and those people would come after me because I dared not want to suck a dick ?
There was also a larger comic exposed about some anti-TERF violence. Something with a little character tagging a hashtag and another one asking questions (not even in a menacing way mind you). I remember the comic punchline was the first one spraying onto the other one face.
So anyway, my point is I never realized how real that violence against women was until that trip.
And if you're wondering yes there are trans in my country of course, but I never really heard of any violence discourse. It seems like a very american thing.
That's your problem right there. That place has always been a hotbed and the forefront of this type of bullshit. They had a bunch of controversy at their museum recently because they had an exhibition where troons put up a lot of anti-women and anti-TERF stuff. They'll march at pride parades with bats painted like the tranny flag. The UK gets these types of retards too, but I don't think they're as outwardly violent with the bats and shit. Yet.
Also, as a fan of comics, I follow a bunch of publishers, and I saw Oni Press, a big independent comics publisher, recently promoting a comic about "learning gender neutral pronouns". This is what happens when any moron gets published.
That was the Degenderettes at the Public Library.
In the UK you have aggressive protesters in balaclavas blocking women from gathering for the We Need to Talk events and the highly publicised Speakers Corner assault that went to trial.
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This fucking thread and the comments astound me. How can all these people be so narcissistic? As if wearing something "gender neutral" isn't a reasonable request. Especially if he's "planning on being full time by then" it sounds like his sister's wedding could double as his coming-out to some guest if he would show up in a dress.
Also, the people commenting that his sister wouldn't tell "ciswomen" to not wear a dress? Uh, yeah, pretty sure she would be mad if some girl showed up in a white or very flashy dress that would distract people from HER day?
I feel sorry for his sister. Planning a wedding can be very stressful and now she has to deal with her troon brother getting offended over being asked to wear some fucking pants. And it's maddening that he's being massively encouraged by other troons to be such a selfish little shit.
i feel bad for the sister, i wouldnt want a 6ft male freak show in a dress at my wedding either.
this guy should suck it up and ignore his own feelings for the sake of his sister, its 1 day ffs
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Oh gosh, not the children.
Yes that's also what I heard when I talked about it to an american friend there, they just said San Francisco is really open to everyone.
I mean, that was cool to see so many people with an interesting individual style (and I've never seen so many dyed hair in one singly city until then ahah)
One of the people we also met there, a friend of a friend, mentioned in passing their trans brother, so I didn't want to ask or say anything that could be insensitive for american standards. Is it just me or is there more trans in America than everywhere else ? Or is that just normal and reflect their acceptance in society leading to more coming outs ?
Also I noticed when I hear about transmen, they're often pretty young or in their early 20s. When I hear about transwomen, I see creepy looking dudes in their 40s. Just me ?
Talking about this wonderful, talented artist. You can just check her Twitter or ask her in DMs about the situation which she had with trannies (and keeps having ). People kept throwing her thousands hateful messages and still do. Trannies also ended up creating hate-blog for her that contained art of her, being murdered /etcs or just them, trying to miserably redraw her art. it all started with argument between her and OW fandom: they all keep claiming that Junkrat and Widoemaker are trannies!!
Well this thread does have a problem with people wearing dresses if you actually read it(few posts above)
>Anytime I've seen a TiM try to explain how he "feels" like a woman it has always been some shallow, borderline narcissistic crap that doesn't address the reality of being a woman. They'll never understand.
You realize we're all individuals and how someone feels about themselves is very personal, intersectionality has been so vowed into feminism that it's dumb to argue this point.
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Baby/Babies are already gender neutral terms, why the Theybies crap?
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To my shock, this person is getting so much hate from both sides. Guess the handmaidens do have a line thank god.
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This person is definitely a troll and morons are feeding them by responding to their dumb bullshit. If people stopped interacting with them, they'd stop posting altogether.
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Where did it all go so wrong?
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To be fair, stein did SO much drugs.
I like to look into the eyes when I am stoned, like, I think this is what hell is like.
Lmaooo her examples! A toddler ripping berets from her hair=trans
Give me a fucking break
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Sorry for the low hanging fruit
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I went on that subreddit and its pure cancer
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What the fuck does this one even mean?
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The traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns subreddit is crazy. They're all obsessed with girldick and being cat girls and you get shit like this.
No your penis is not an "outie cervix" or a clit.
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The entire subreddit is like one weird LARP except the worst part is that you know that we are supposed to treat them like one of us when they are just living some stupid anime fantasy.
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More "woe is me for not having a period" circlejerk. They act like the reasons we wouldn't want to be a tranny is not having a period… I sure as hell don't want to be a tranny but I would kill to stay a woman and not have my period.
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Instead of actually helping girls and women in need, they rather make period panties specifically for trans men…
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>I can just get rid of it through birth control
No you can't
Do they know that some women hust get their periods and just idk…deal with it? You dont have to be in pain and bloated with sore tits 24/7to be on the rag. Its funny how the only thing they know about true PMS is that overacted shit they see on TV shows like Roseanne where the woman is a raging bitch because of mUh PeRiOd~!!!!!
Some people see some blood after wiping and go “oh” and then just pop a damn tampon in and call it a day. Unless it interferes with something like a stressful trip or a major physical activity, most women who dont suffer from things like endometriosis arent going on and on about ~the killer crampssss~ And ~muh symptoms~~~.
Most women are suffering greatly but will NOT take to social media or even to their friends to complain about how bad it is. A small minority are lucky but either way, we have been trained from a young age not to talk about it. Not sure why deluded tranny >>272260
seems to think that letting everyone else know about your period is necessary.
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reminds me of this hot take (third comment)
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The way they talk about being a ~woman~ is so invalidating to real women, it makes me feel sick. These people are treating our gender like a stereotype and a joke and we have to take them seriously or be skinned alive.
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Disgusting. Using an image of a high school girl just brings the fetishism to new levels.
>>271817>Is it just me or is there more trans in America than everywhere else ? Or is that just normal and reflect their acceptance in society leading to more coming outs ?
American here. I'm not sure what the actual statistics are, but it seems there's more here, anyway. This is partially because of the acceptance towards LGBT stuff, but it's also the current climate, especially among college aged and younger people, leaning more extreme left and social justice-y. That being said, the experience of a city like San Francisco, or the internet, is a bit different from every day American life. In the vast majority of America, people just go through life not thinking about trans shit, or seeing trans shit. And no, I don't just mean in small town America (where I live). Even in large cities, most people just don't consciously think about this stuff, though every sizable city in the US has an "LGBT district", at least. We also just have a massive population in general, and when you hang out in places dominated by American posters, it can warp demographics I think.
>Also I noticed when I hear about transmen, they're often pretty young or in their early 20s. When I hear about transwomen, I see creepy looking dudes in their 40s. Just me ?
Not just you, I see this a lot as well. And that's not to say younger MtF's exist, because they do. But when you go poking around, again, on the internet, you seem to encounter the younger transmen and older transwomen thing. It's common in fandom now for young girls to identify as "nonbinary" or "trans". They do this to avoid being called fujoshi or "gay fetishists". They also do it because of fucked up internalized misogyny. the older transwomen are almost always AGP.
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The more fetishy the post is, the higher it gets upvoted. Says a lot.
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One of them made this meme. Its like they all know theyre being brainwashed into a fetish cult.
Seeing shit like this and the small amount of people who speak up against it, I worry for society.
Most women do have bad cramps, especially the first day or two of our periods. We just suck it up, take a pain pill, and go about our lives. Of course, it's worse for women with endo and other issues, and periods can make some women outright bedridden every month. But even for the most "normal" of women, there's pain, but we just suck it up and go through life.
I like how these period fetishizing troons never talk about how women have a higher rate of being iron deficient due to our periods. Of course, if being anemic suddenly became sexy, they'd start wanting that too.
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This just shows where they get their horrible fashion sense from.>>272310
"Transgirl culture" - More like "we took it from Japanese anime" Where's the "CULTURAL APPROPRIATION" squad?!>>272331
He seems to have decided that this angle for his face works for him, but it really really doesn't.
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imagine having to pee and as you open the door of the women's restroom you see this guy turning his head in your direction and smiling at you like this
We'll either it validates the dysphoria and this harks back to actual 15 years ago when they first started wanting to look like that or…well that's it. They got an idea in their head and got stuck with it. The more fixed that idea was the more out of place they'll look, as noted here >>272366
Women existing on the planet have a constantly changing view of themselves and womanhood which presumably mtf who dress for the wrong decade don't have.
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>>272403>TERF gets called out>B-but I have a vagina! That means I can take a cock like a REAL woman!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA there's a reason why we're the new face of feminism sweetie.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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this. he's already creeping me out, I just want him to leave. but if we give him more attention, he never will.
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>tfw the vast majority of normal, straight men would rather fuck an ugly "cis" girl than a tranny (AKA a man) and be gay
>tfw lesbians would rather fuck with masculine dykes than touch your male body
>hurr durr we are the superior wamens xDDD
The delusion is real.
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>let's include everybody (even men!) but white women
Guess we don't count as "all women".
I thought it's been proven by now that Asians make the most out of all races?
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What the fuck kind of cycle is that where you just go from being assertive to being more creative and how do I get my hormones to do that?>>272497
Fat and poor white women are okay, though. Just don‘t be a fit and succesful white woman, if you want these people to like you.
>>272345>imagine having to pee and as you open the door of the women's restroom you see this guy turning his head in your direction and smiling at you like this
Out of curiosity, what do anons who see these things in the bathroom/changing room do? Is there a way to make them feel uncomfortable/unwelcome without risking our safety? I know men are generally clueless to their surroundings and feel entitled so it's unlikely to bother them if you stare but I feel like they're so obsessed with "passing" that maybe doing something to remind them that they don't will encourage them to stop crawling into our spaces as often.
What would you do? Stare? Gasp? Dramatically walk out and wait for them to leave?
well it is just a toilet. You're cancer if you go to the toilet to do something other than your private business, you're the reason why women are forced to use mens toilets in bars.
using terms like cis- and trans- just makes the convo more easily understandable not a political statement
I'd seriously feel safer just going in the men's room.>>272349
Well, they all seem to fetishize teenage girls, so I think they dress however teenage girls dressed when they were that age.>>272359
I suppose that is a problem. >>272449
I think Clue lets you share your cycle with other people. I hope no poor kids are being exposed to troons in any tracking apps.>>272500>What the fuck kind of cycle is that where you just go from being assertive to being more creative and how do I get my hormones to do that?
I notice a minor variation that's nowhere near as useful as what these people are pretending to have. They exaggerate everything.>>272519
Troons can be dangerous if aggressive. It would depend on how badly I need to go and how many other women are there.
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The hips always give it away. This bitch passes until you see the full body. Yes, this is the one who recently tricked two women into sex then raped them with a foreign object. Media covered it as "person without penis".
Both females and males have Bartholin's glands
How come terfs are always so clueless of anatomy
this. i don't even want women to hear me peeing.
also everyone arguing about wetness vs precum is an idiot. precum comes from a different gland and serves and entirely different purpose, which is to clear the urethra of pee to make sure the sperm doesn't die. female wetness doesn't come from the urethra and instead is to lubricate the vagina for sex. it doesn't matter if they are made of the same exact molecules, they serve a different purpose, thus are not the same. diamonds and coal aren't the same, eh?
What the fuck kind of cycle is that where you just go from being assertive to being more creative and how do I get my hormones to do that?
A fake one, made up by a misogynistic man with a fetish that believes that 100% of women's feelings and actions are fueled by their gurrrrrrrrl hormones, and that men's aren't!
I wish these men that have a menstruation fetish would at least do some basic research on what periods are, how they affect women and what symptoms women actually get. Hearing them talk about their "periods" sounds like what you'd hear if you asked a 12 year old boy what periods are. They can't even do some research for their LARP?
Precum: Pre-ejaculate contains some chemicals associated with semen, such as acid phosphatase.Pre-ejaculate neutralizes residual acidity in the urethra caused by urine, creating a more favorable environment for the passage of sperm. The vagina is normally acidic, so the deposit of pre-ejaculate before the emission of semen may change the vaginal environment to promote sperm survival. Pre-ejaculate also acts as a lubricant during sexual activity, and plays a role in semen coagulation.
Vaginal lubrication: Plasma from vaginal walls due to vascular engorgement is considered to be the chief lubrication source, and the Bartholin's glands, located slightly below and to the left and right of the introitus (vaginal opening), also secrete mucus to augment vaginal-wall secretions. Near ovulation, cervical mucus provides additional lubrication. Vaginal fluid is slightly acidic.
Literally copied from wikipedia.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/92gkt4/mtf_lesbian_having_hard_time_finding_someone/>Mtf Lesbian Having Hard Time Finding Someone>Here's some pics: https://imgur.com/a/jOpemS6#izz4c8x>I've tried Her and OKC, going to lgbt gatherings, bars, talking to girls, got numbers, tried asking them out, sometimes even managed to go out with them but they always disappear. I'm losing hope. What am I doing wrong? What should I do?
"hi i'm very obviously male and somehow no lesbian woman seems to be attracted to me what am i doing wrong????"
<someone suggests that dating other "transwomen" may be easier>I get attached easily and know that wouldn't work because down the line having biologically related kids is important to me so AFABs are kind of the only viable long term option for me and I don't want to hurt other trans girls by getting into a relationship that can't last.
how entitled is this guy holy fuck
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Still has a penis and I guess with him saying that he wants biological offspring, he's not going to get surgery anytime soon.
I also don't know about what standards lesbians have, but even if they had extremely low ones, he probably wouldn't fit in.
These guys basically just want to be futanari and don't realise that most women are not interested in that at all (it's a porn trope aimed at men) and that futanari are interesting in the first place because they are women with dicks, not men with breasts. This shit works for Asian men if they look very feminine to begin with, but most white guys just aren't cute in that way.
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lmao this guyhttps://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestyleforum/comments/8y311s/is_he_scamming_me/>signs up on sugardaddy site and gets nearly scammedhttps://www.reddit.com/r/MadeOfStyrofoam/comments/8x7agd/need_to_get_hospitalised_to_shake_up_ignorant/>proclaims he wants to hurt himself to emotionally manipulate parentshttps://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/8whots/is_this_a_period_mtf/>thinks he has a period after being 2 months on estrogenhttps://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/8woakt/mtf_panicking/e26ji4v/?context=8&depth=9>"I love my period and hope it doesn't go away till the appropriate age even though it's annoying af. I should be having periods cause I'm a woman so ya it's ok."
this guy definitely has some issues but he sounds so narcissistic it's hard to feel sympathy
>Why do all these other trans women I've read about experience the same symptoms monthly?! Just cause they're delusional?!!!!
>>273061> biological factors don't make you a woman your feefees do
They're delusional but they don't deserve pity. I feel that they're reinforcing every negative stereotype about us, for example, women are bitchy when they have periods, women love pink XD or women can't stop thinking about makeup and shoes uWu>>273066
orly? What is their period? A stomach ache? A constipation?
There's one at my work, about 6'4 and very much non-passing, not that it really matters to me. Programmer of course. Anyways, it's a pretty small bathroom, just two stalls but I've run into them and just continue on what I'm doing. Not really a small talk kind of person with anyone.
I was a little shocked at first .. but obviously I have to remain cordial with a person I work with everyday. I really love my job and have no desire to stir that pot, but tbh I am a little resentful being put in that position along with all my other female coworkers.
I don't care if trannies got a 10k surgery to make their penis look "like" a vagina. It's still a penis and has nothing to with actual female genitalia.
>they think they are men
I always thought the concept of "gender dysphoria" was so fucking funny. Like, you're triggered
because think you're not a woman? That's because you aren't you dumbass. Accept the truth and leave us women alone.
I've gone into men's toilets when I was younger and drunk, so we can continue the conversation in there. Not using the facilities but standing in there. Guys like it, they'll probably be delighted
(I realized it was not a great plan after doing it twice)
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So I have a feeling this one is going to kill himself.
When it happend to me at school
>Ran to bathroom for emergency piss>See obvious male in ladies room>Keep in mind this is a bathroom that doesn't get a lot of traffic
Still ran away and never looked back. You never know with men so and I refused to be another statistic.
Also,>school recently has gender friendly bathroom>these bathrooms used to have high traffic>of course only the female bathrooms get labelled>after these bathrooms are labelled traffic has substantially decreased to the point that women go out of their way to use less convenient bathroom locations (ie. going to the 2nd/3rd floor bathroom instead of the one in the lobby b/c they don't have these labels)
Thank god I'm a biology major so I don't have to deal with this in the science buildings.
Adding to this after reading >>273160
, I have never encountered a man who seemed to be in any way happy to see me there. They mostly look puzzled and/or outraged. Seems like men also value their single sex spaces… (there
was outrage when the #manfriday women went into a men's only swimming pool too)
Not the anon you're replying to but im loving the mental image that """"lesbian"""" trannies are just 14yr old boys who got so consumed by the fake f/f porn out there that they mutilate themselves.
My vaginal fucking walls kek
>>273328>watching so much porn that you want to become the woman
also, that last guy:>take dick all the time, but women are the Real Sluts
The absolute state of porn-addicted men.
I'll say the same about those fujoshit autoandrophiles. This is ridiculous.
I recently learned that at least in my country, it’s much harder for people with diagnosed mental illness or personality disorders to medically transition, because doctors naturally want to first work out whether a person’s issues stem from those causes instead and if they can be treated without causing irreversible changes to the body. But this means that BPD and other personality disordered people keep quiet about it, refusing to be diagnosed or receive therapy/treatment, because getting HRT and plastic surgery fully funded by insurance is more important to them.
This explains why every TiM I’ve ever met acted like an unhinged cluster B off their meds. They most likely were.
Yeah, and often troons will act like that's some grave injustice and *~transphobic~* if someone won't immediately prescribe them HRT medication. https://www.reddit.com/r/TransDIY/
is really sickening. They'll even give advice where to illegally buy and use drugs to minors.
damn i didn't know alice cooper had trooned out.>>272349
even though he's wearing old fashioned midwestern mom clothes he still just had to wrestle that fucking tattoo choker onto his thick man neck. >>273124
Hi fellow potatofag
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It bugs me how many troons (especially TiMs) now are "Marxist-Leninists". Like, can you please go back to anarchism or neoliberalism? Also, they often REALLY adore Mao and Stalin. I mean, what the fuck, Stalin actually was quite reactionary when it comes to women's liberation. But those guys probably care more about funny gulag memes than about abortion rights. I feel like for many of these troons, communism is more of a lifestyle and another thing they can add to their twitter bio, and they haven't even read any socialist literature besides maybe the basics. Also, they fetishize violence a lot, which is not a good look for the communist movement. Communists should just behave like regular, nice people and not threaten anyone who isn't as leftist as they are. They should be patient, understanding and explain their views. But they probably don't even care about the movement, just about themselves and their image. I'm glad that where I live (ex-communist country) most ML communists are mostly normal, intelligent people.
(I'm a Marxist-Leninist communist myself but I don't base my identity around it nor do I view Stalin in such an uncritical way.)
pic related: https://www.reddit.com/r/FULLCOMMUNISM/comments/5mn36a/millennial_transgender_woman_starter_pack/
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despite being supposed MLists they conveniently ignore how engels and mao made it pretty clear they were evil TERFS that spouted TERF rhetoric
"Under capitalism, the female half of the human race suffers under a double yoke. The working woman and peasant woman are oppressed by capital; but in addition to that, even in the most democratic of bourgeois republics, they are, firstly, in an inferior position because the law denies them equality with men, and secondly, and this is most important, they are "in domestic slavery," they are "domestic slaves," crushed by the most petty, most menial, most arduous, and most stultifying work of the kitchen, and by isolated domestic, family economy in general.">>273380
it really isn't at all the same. not saying everything stalin did was ok, but that's a dumb comparison
Why would TiMs care about women’s reproductive rights? They can’t get pregnant, and even acknowledging the existence of the female reproductive system triggers
their “dysphoria” and is therefore an evil TERF thing to do.
Are you talking about me? Because I don‘t think before any serious revolutionary situation arises, you have to be violent (obviously against fascists, but not against your average Trump fan). No normal person would consider to be communist if every leftist was a violent troon. Propaganda and agitation is important at this phase.>>273380
I don‘t think you can compare anything to the horrors of the holocaust, but yeah I think it‘s annoying that those American people who uncritically love Stalin don‘t know anyone who actually lived under his regime and label anyone people who don‘t view them as good as they do revisionists. These people often have valid opinions too and it‘s important to be (self-)critical.
(sorry for mostly off-topic)
Nothing is comparable to holocaust indeed but what Stalin and Hitler did is comparable. Please read:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/giving-historys-greatest-mass-murderer-his-due/
Both are disgusting mass murderers and I don't fcking care if they contributed something good while killing millions of people. Everybody who worships Stalin is no better than those people who worship Hitler.
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Not defending Hitler or anything, but Genghis Khan killed 40 millions (11% of the world's population at that time). And bombs and the likes didn't exist, meaning people were killed by sword or burned etc. Plus he was a mass rapist.
And people love him.
Most simply only know about the war crimes of the Germans, but not about the things that e.g. the Russians or Japanese did.
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I think this belongs here, open at own risk
Oh my fucking god I want to personally execute this disgusting excuse of a person.
Who the fuck would he even make that for? Who would honestly find this attractive? I can't think of a single person outside of himself.
This reminds me of another (kind of terfy) Engels' quote:
"It is a curious fact that with every great revolutionary movement the question of “free love” comes in to the foreground. With one set of people as a revolutionary progress, as a shaking off of old traditional fetters, no longer necessary; with others as a welcome doctrine, comfortably covering all sorts of free and easy practices between man and woman."
(Source and further reading: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/subject/religion/book-revelations.htm
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Are there more blogs about trannies on dating sites? This is great, lol.
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Is he wrong tho lmao
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Oh my God… I’m so sorry that lesbian anons have to deal with this deceptive, manipulative bullshit!
I’m just a vanilla straight, married woman, but the way lesbian and gender non-conforming women are treated just makes my blood boil. I can’t believe it has gotten this bad.
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Sorry for the spam but here's a joke in two parts:
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and the guy who posted this ''meme'' kek
obviously a lot of them just live in their fantasy world where the archetypal girl is a rainbow barbie anime girl hybrid, but some of them do realize what they wear would be considered childish for their age, but their excuse is "i never got to wear the girly things i wanted to in childhood :,( so now is my first chance!!! y-you privileged cis girls don't know how hard it is!"
1) my mom forbade me from wearing really girly clothes and playing with dolls that i wanted too,and i'm an actual girl, but i don't feel some deep ache to wear hot pink limited too clothes as an adult. of all the childhood hangups you can have this one is pretty easy to get over…
2) why not just buy the shit and play dressup at home, then have some reasonably age appropriate shit for when you go out. your inner child needs this closure 24/7? maybe it's time to stop spoiling the little brat kek.
Hitler was committing atrocities because he hated Jews. Nazis manufactured antisemitic conspiracies to justify the repression. Obviously you can't say for sure if Hitler believed that Jews truly wanted to take over the world or are greedy by nature but I think today's neo-Nazis often know that the shit they spew is not based in rational facts.
And do you think killing people of "races" they claim to be inferior is something people do because the believe it's for the greater good? I think racists are aware that genocide is a very bad thing that you can barely justify. That's why neo-Nazis talk about "white genocide" and act like they're the victims that just have to defend themselves. Or that *~sharia law~* will be enacted everywhere in Europe in a few years unless we get rid of the evil Muslims.
On the other hand, Marxism-Leninism is based on a rational analysis of capitalism and imperialism. What Marx and Lenin said a decade ago still hold true and is even relevant today. "Das Kapital" is not about conspiracies or race ideology but it's a book that is usually well-respected in academia even 150 years after it's publication. I don't really have strong views on Stalin but yes, he probably did believe he was doing the right thing. And he did transform Russia from a semi-feudal monarchy to a world superpower (in contrast to Hitler getting Germany bombed and divided). That doesn't make other things right but unlike fascists, communists don't want to do harm and we're very willing to learn from the past and be self-critical. We want the liberation of all people. Fascists and capitalists want to oppress people for their own gain.
(sorry for off-topic won't reply on this further)
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This trans woman from lesbiansoftinder is marvellous
Also had no idea how many 100% straight cis males tick the "female" box in order to appear to lesbians
ThEy DonT Want You GEnius
(holy fuck this dude is 30 and acts like this)https://twitter.com/j_remy_green
of course he has a leftist twitter and a shitty medium accounthttp://www.friedfrank.com/index.cfm?pageID=42&itemID=1877
he actually has a job lmao
maybe people in nyc are already used and desensitized to this shit
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this is so sad alexa play despacito
This is how you know he's a weeb. Typical hentai pose, ahegao plus double peace sign. Also that's a really unattractive penis.>>273557
I wonder what the guys are trying to achieve by appearing to lesbians?>I'm not interested in dick, only attracted to other women, but this guy is just too good to pass up
Is something that isn't going to happen and bi women will see you if you put your gender correctly. Is it the old "I could turn her straight"?
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Why do you have this image anon
Why does this level if degeneracy have to exist
Wait, the hormones and surgery are covered by insurance? Where I‘m from, wen have to pay for all their womenly needs (birth control, tampons/pads, PMS meds) themselves and these fucks get their delusions sponsored?!
No wonder some doctors jump on the easy money delivered by these sad idiots, though…
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Why do so many giant, ugly white men think they look anything like a thin, femme Asian boy? Especially compared to a biological woman? The weirdest thing is that if they ever went to Japan, where their favorite traps and crossdressing anime characters were created, they would be far more ridiculed than in the West. Nobody would praise their “bravery” or lavish compliments on them. The passing, pretty guys and transsexuals are praised but the ugly ones are treated like clowns, even on national tv.
You notice how their delusion not only crosses over the realities of sexual biology, but race? They are all so obsessed with Japanese anime and the beauty aesthetics of that culture. For so many of them, their idealized version of themselves is a tiny Japanese girl/boy, not merely a more feminized version of themselves. Same thing with a lot of ftm/non-binary females trying to be cute, Asian Yaoi boys. They don’t want to be natural looking men of their own race, or even the same age.>>273655
Does anyone have any data on the increase of hrt prescriptions and endocrinologist consultations? I once read waiting lists for ftm patients UK have skyrocketed something like 200%(?)and there are more and more informed consent facilities just prescribing hormone treatments without the necessary wait times. The pharmaceutical companies must be salivating over the increase of lifelong customers.
how do they stand to post pictures of their ugly fat man bodies and pathetic moobs next to pictures of big tittied anime girls/traps?
I'd be more disgusted but their cognitive dissonance is confusing.
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This entire account is so cursed
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"montana woman charged with raping a minor"
You know whats coming…
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Speaking of which, check out this dose of hyprocrisy..
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i'm going to puke, it is exposing itself in public…
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Do these people actually get replies?
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They fetishize underage girls.>>273843>Brown has not been arrested.>>273946
>So Ive been reading up on this lately, mostly because 5 years post op and my vagina still seems to be in a permanent state of bacterial vaginosis>[…] In fact, most transwomen tested had a bacterial culture that was very similar to cis women with bacterial vaginosis.
>This might not be generally applicable but I borrowed some from my (cis) spouse and it seemed to work really well – I'm now about half a year post-op and my nether regions smell pleasantly sweet, like a ripe fruit.>my nether regions smell pleasantly sweet, like a ripe fruit
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Another weeb, too! Catgirls and Pokémon!
This. He looked like such a bf material and then he decided to turn himself into a disgusting freak.
I wish there were some telltale signs of guys that are more likely to go down this path.
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How delusional must this guy be to think he looks anything like a woman in this picture?
>>274323>I wish there were some telltale signs of guys that are more likely to go down this path.
Porn addiction and likes shitty moeblob anime/catgirls/traps et. The former will ensure he will look up porn of the latter, if he has a penchant for seeking and joining forums/chatrooms/imageboards, he will eventually fap and meme himself into troondom.
It's probably even worse now, since it seems like troons are now preying on dudes to young their troon harems.
What the other anon said and also submissive gay dudes with internalized homophobia (probably grew up in a conservative household, e.g. Blaire White), old men in midlife crisis (probably starts by crossdressing with his wife‘s clothes first, e.g. Caitlyn Jenner) and (mostly white) men in leftist circles (especially queer feminist/idpol) who want to seem more oppressed & be able to hate on women (e.g. Contrapoints or Riley Dennis)
The latter two types most likely watch too much porn. Gamers are also more likely to be trans imo (could be because gamers are more likely to be weebs, tho)
I can't imagine how those women feel that were married to a guy for a long time and then suddenly he decides to transition.
The woman is then put in an uncomfortable situation where if she rejects him and decides to separate, she's seen as a heartless transphobic, not to mention the shock.
It's the James Charles influence. Sister etc. Also does anyone else understand James Charles obsession with straight boys?>>274365
It's a boy in highschool. I feel a bit creepy being subscribed but he makes me laugh.
This person still calls himself Antonio everywhere, so I don't think he's a troon. Plus he makes his voice deeper for effect, and that's not something a "but I'm a girl!!!" idiot would do because they'd be to triggered
I find it funny and sad that in every 'before/after'trans selfies the only difference that they all have is blurry editing in some beauty apps. For example:https://mobile.twitter.com/FinalBossFemme/status/1022929496020738048
And he calls this look 'gothic'one LMAO. A gross furry who is definitely not sexualizing shit.
Anyways, what's the deal with ginger men? Why do I often keep seeing trannieswho are/were ginger by default? As for me, a ginger cisfemale it kinda scares me LOL
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Who wants to be a boring ginger man when you could be a hawt redhead vixen?>>274596
Most people aren't doubting it. They're just parroting TRA talking points because they don't want to get piled on by the dickgirl brigades.
The guy wasnt a troon tho
And I want to add that Im open about hating trannys and nobody cares here in germany
Also when Germany changed the law to allowing a genderneutral entry in birth certificates for intersex people (a good thing imo)
>listen to discussion round on public radio about it >guests are all troons celebrating this progress although it is completely unrelated to their situation >bf comes along and listens>"hey, I know that guy, he's this totally annoying tranny from Stuttgart">kek
Thanks for sharing!
I really like how at first it was all about >your gender doesn‘t define who you are!>boys can like pink, too!
And then they interview some mtf who‘s like>I want to be succesful as a woman! (Works as a playboy model)>I want to look like a woman so I got plastik surgery! (looks like some blow-up doll)>I always wanted to be a woman! I had long hair even as a child!
Like, I‘m all for you do you, but please stop bringing us back to the middle ages while claiming to be progressive.
It’s crazy how many trannies that porn and anime/hentai has made.
Porn is a legitimate problem and rots your brain but everyone denies it because it’s easy and they all love it too
And the amount of trannies that are autistic and into anime that think they can become a cute girl can not be a coincidence
ironically enough there's a new anime this season about anime dudes getting sex changes to become idols.
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for real, can you imagine how much shit an actual woman would cop for that, especially from the MAKEUP IS EMPOWERING TRANS WOMEN ARE GODDESSES libfem crowd?
I checked out his socials and youtube and don't see anything where he admits to being a boy. The voice thing is funny but not conclusive that he isn't a TiM. A lot of the comments on his instagram are all "yaaassss queen" and shit, and then handmaidens "correcting pronouns" and stuff even when people are being polite in what they're saying.
It doesn't seem like an act but I only watched that one video and read various comments and tweets. Care to share what makes you think it is an act? The video and voice deepening were amusing but the trans handmaidens are making me cringe a ton. Just curious if it is sincere or subversive (since I love subversive things but… not trannies).
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Why are so many trannies pedos/obsessed with loli? This big nosed troon in particular dresses up like a uwu smug anime school girl in all of his nudes. Plenty of his troon followers are the same too.
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Tha-tha-tha-that's a man, folks!
. He's a boy in highschool. He talks about being in highschool. His name is Antonio. He's had Q+As in which he has deliberately not answered the question because I guess he's just going to focus on getting through his highschool experience.
You'll also need to remember that people in comment sections will just start mirroring what others comment and people will police pronouns because it's the cool thing to do even though Antonio has not discussed it.
Maybe we should try something:>Be a woman>Start identifying as a female-presenting transman>Join the freemasons>Identify as a woman again while staying a freemason
Of course it would never work because no matter how much a woman insists she's really a man inside, actual men will tell her to fuck off. It's only women who have to be inclusive of biological men.>>275172
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Oh you don't know? Nowadays you can be nonbinary while still being a man or a woman, like how Rebecca Sugar (the creator of Steven Universe) is nonbinary AND a woman! Don't ask how it works, it just does!
They dilute even their own labels into just fancy words with no meaning. Sexualities and genders are just cute, glittery little building blocks that you can pick and build your identity from, and rebuilding it every once in a while or adding new, even sparklier blocks just makes it more interesting!
I've made an LC-spin off discord before, maybe I'll give it a shot.
If there is more interest, anyway.
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the transpassing thread kek
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r/womensbadanatomy is becoming an absolute shitshow.
>there are biologically more than two genders!
>neovaginas and vaginas are the same!
>what about women with hysterectomies?
>you're reducing women to their genitals!
>TERF trash get out REEEEEEEEE
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There was a Trans Pride parade the other day here, this is what they put out on the street
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This one hurts to read. A death sentence when someone's not getting treatment for a serious physical or mental illness.
It's NOT when you're not allowed to cut your tits off and pretend to be a man.
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i really fucking hate these ugly-ass dudes who use cosplay to live out their "kawaii anime girl" delusions. um, newsflash: putting on a nubra doesn't mean you have tits.
I’ve heard it argued that trans doesn't mean “across” anymore but “above”, so really trans people are “above gender” unlike us unenlightened binary cissies.>>275260
She’s basically a woman with short hair who doesn’t always wear makeup.
This pissed me off too. Why should they be put before people who are terminally ill or in chronic pain?? If you wanted it that bad, go private and pay for it but the problem is they want it free and paid for by the government.
There are children LITERALLY dying and they believe some cosmetic surgery is equal to their treatment.
It's hilarious seeing the users on this sub caught in the middle between accurate biology and nice libfemmy sentiments.
Fun thread :https://www.reddit.com/r/badwomensanatomy/comments/93rbmg/a_reminder_transphobia_is_not_acceptable_in_this/
So far they're stuck on the "TERFs are evil get out REEEEE" refrain, but maybe seeing more and more transwomen post and overtake the sub will bring some libfems to peak trans.
The health system is in a mess as it is, how are they supposed to magic up the extra resources for this?
How self-centered do you have to be to rate cosmetic surgery as "life-saving"? Jesus christ.
I always wonder how many people I know are secretly critical of the trans stuff. I pretend to be an ally and know some trans people, but I find myself drifting away from them because all they can talk about is how oppressed they are and how their lives are so difficult and "baww cis people!". I could never admit to being on the fence about the whole thing because it would probably drive away my whole social circle (even the non trans ones), and could even get me fired.
They consider it “life-saving” because supposedly many trans teenagers commit suicide when they’re not able to transition. These suicide rates don’t go down much post-transition but no wait it’s definitely TERF doctors and wait times that murder trans people! Nothing to do with mental illness, nope, all the health system’s fault.
I’m in a similar situation where most of my friends are very left-leaning and transphobia is considered just as bad, if not worse than homophobia and racism. Most people I know will openly criticise obvious transtrenders and 50 gender nonsense but they’re always quick to add that of course they’re totally supportive of real
Some of the guys make fun of crazy tumblr feminism but lump radical/gender critical feminism in there too, as if they’re the same thing. Apparently saying that men can’t menstruate is now on the same level as calling yourself a wombyn and selling canvases smeared with menstrual blood.
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Troon ebegs for a new bike. Claims he only has $3 in his bank account and wants $500. Seems to forget his other funding page which shows he actually has $780 in his bank.
If transportation is an emergency then he should use the money he already has, or has he already spent the surgery funds on something trivial?
If I had enough free time I’d love to make a page shaming these beggars.
do you get the gofundme donations directly even without reaching the goal?
sage for internet illiterate
Thanks for clarifying. I looked into it a bit more and among the many many handmaidens in comment sections, there were a few reasonable/civil people saying the same thing you are.
To be clear, I never doubted him being in highschool (though I would have originally guessed him to be in his early 20s).>>275256
WHAT THE FUCK.
That argument about the clitoris (idk what fully mapped means but everyone knew what clits were before 2004) is so dumb for so many reasons holy shit.>>275280
This looks like a terrifying parody but I know it's likely not. Just everything about this photo seems to SCREAM "I'm a dude" - adam's apple jutting out, muscular arms, super broad shoulders accentuated by (what I hope is) a terrible camera angle, literally no hips…
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>My friends and I at Pride last month. My beautiful friend offered to carry my NO PLACE FOR TERFS sign cause she's really tall in her platform boots (she said she wanted to give my words a platform. She's got puns for days)
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Watch “menstruator” become the new derogatory term for women alongside “uterus-haver” and the rest. Of course they don’t give a fuck about throwing FtMs who still menstruate under the bus.>>275768
It’s the autogynesmile(tm).
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Couldn't stomach that tbh.
Imagine you go to a psychologist and THIS is what you get
dat male pattern baldness
i'm glad they've all decided bangs are a TERF thing effectively eliminating the easiest way to hide it kek
>>275321>>275321>The health system is in a mess as it is>They consider it “life-saving” because supposedly many trans teenagers commit suicide when they’re not able to transition.
Like there are many mentally ill people in the country and plenty of people commit suicide or more often than that, engage in dangerous behaviour (drink and drugs are very common), why should they be put above them? Just because they want cosmetic surgery. I'm sure people who want boob jobs or rhinoplasty would love to get it for free too.
I think it's difficult to find people in this country that are centrists. If you're "transphobic" the only people who agree with you are old biddies who are also very conservative (pro-life, homophobic, racist). If you're a feminist, you can't openly discuss anything that isn't outside of the tumblr "intersectional" feminism or you're branded as a terf/swerf and promptly ejected from the community. Feminism is even considered a dirty word among both sides and I've never heard anyone proudly said they are one without the usual "oh yeah well I like the ideas of feminism but they're too loud and whingey so I won't call myself one" or "well I consider myself an 'equalist/humanist' because feminists want to be above men" bullshit.
I love to meet some Irish radfems ngl.
Men who like feet. Men with personality disorders. Weebs. Men with any weird fetishes. >>274332
Everything mentioned here.>>275271
That's a shame. I used to occasionally like that sub.
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2 1/2 years of estrogen lmaoooooooo
also this is why bangs aren't a great option for troons >>275781
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>Do y'all think I would still pass as male if I shaved?
>I'm 3 years on T, by the way.
if i'd see her on the street i would think she has a very bad case of pcos and that's it's brave of her that she's isn't bothering to shave her facial hair
just why would you do this to yourself voluntarily
Interesting comments by a MTF's spouse covering the reality of SRS and post-transition years:https://www.reddit.com/r/badwomensanatomy/comments/93rbmg/a_reminder_transphobia_is_not_acceptable_in_this/e3h8y9w/?st=JKD3NAOF&sh=eb641b00
>dilation and sanitation of the neovagina is impractical, time-consumming and painful>MTFs idolizing SRS are talking out of their asses because they haven't gotten it done, or only did recently>the euphoria of transitionning eventually wears off>transition is rooted in navel-gazing>>275827
Her eyes look incredibly feminine for some reason, the beard brings them out even more. That's unfortunate.
Sorry, I can‘t watch this all the way through. They are just too boring and unlikeable imo.
But>doctors used to call mtf trans man, because it was only about their biological reality>but now it’s called trans woman because it‘s about the gender identity, not the body.
I love when they admit that they are appropriating gender to stereotypes.
Also this whole *~*feeling like a gender*~* just makes them sound like religious fanatics.>>275765
Just like they delude themselves into thinking they‘re another gender they‘re deluding themselves into thinking they‘re beautiful.
Even the other people in this image look like they're laughing or staring thinking "wtf" at him. The two on the left and the person standing directly to the right.>>275766
Trans women only thinking of themselves and not even supporting trans men with this one, what a mess. >>275812>With more make up he could pass for a ugly older woman who just looks like a man alot
It's funny because this is the best case scenario for the 10% who can maybe pass at all. They all think they're going to become some sex bombshell or kawaii anime schoolgirl and this is their best hope.
Those are some pretty insightful posts, thanks for sharing.>Some of her MtF friends convinced her it was no big deal but they have the kinds of jobs where you can lay in bed and program all day
lol of course they do. Honestly I think that the majority of trans people have too much time on their hands, don’t leave the house enough and spend way too much time on the internet.
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I stumbled upon this and thought WTF… than I read 'trans girl' and it all made sense
Ditto, can't believe this is on the independent and not some garbage joke site
Like really??? You really gonna complain about a man wearing women's clothes at the SAME time as promoting a man wearing women's clothes and calling himself trans? There are no fuckin rules, it's just clothes. These fuckers would've made a hate campaign about David Bowie and the countless effeminate male pop stars of the 80s. They can fuck all the way off
There's a link to the "other side of the argument" where the headline declares Jaden as non binary
Still not the other side of the argument, fam. Luckily most people in the comments had sense. It's unfortunate that those same people (2 years ago) would now probably say it was transphobic to wear women's clothes and not be trans. Today's left wing politics is a garbage heap
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My sperg theory still stands that making a genuine smile tends to elongate your chin area and widen your face, not enough to make an actual woman suddenly look manly, but enough that troons might notice that they look even less passing when they smile. So they try to smile with just their lips and not any of their mouth muscles, creating a weird smirk or otherwise unnatural little smile.
Is a woman going to model the men’s line or are they just taking the job of a female model and handing it to a dude to seen progressive?
We’re not even allowed to work in roles society forces us into. Can’t succeed if you’re not beautiful and now it doesn’t matter anymore because we’ll just give a man your job anyway.
Take it to the man hate thread.
A "cis" man wearing actual women's wear is progressive. Normalizing non-perverted cross dressing is a necessary step to reducing the trans plague.
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this. anything that pushes straight men away from automatically associating their feminine side with being trans/gay/a humiliation kink is good for us
Plus you could argue that it's already socially acceptable, especially in fashion, for women to wear menswear, so the equivalent to jaden's ad would be like….a woman wearing an awkward boxy suit tailored to a man's measurement just for the sake of mirroring the original campaign. out of all the instances where a female equivalent is needed, this just isn't one of them. it's not worth prioritizing and it's definitely not worth getting all hopeless about.
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JW Anderson already made a genderbending line for men back in 2013 and it didn't endanger female models. It's going to be just fine.>>276019
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Glad you guys liked it!
Also pic related, guess dogs are TERFS now kek
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Ah, I saw that on tumblr today, that's simply great kek
Here's another one.
To be honest, I wonder how do I fully red-pill myself.
Because I can recognize that I am biologically a female, but mentally I still perform some shitty gymnastics that land me into "agender" territory.
As I've been brought up, I was certainly a female-identifying lesbian, but I was made to shame my own orientation so for a while I used to think that I was a trans-man because I was a gender-nonconforming tomboy. After that when I realised I want nothing to do with ,males, I started identifying as agender, because it felt the most right. I felt like gender is fake bullshit and I didn't want to conform to it at all.
But the question is, how do I, a radical feminist by all definitions, confirm to myself that I am fully female and embrace me femaleness instead of the shitty enby rhetoric tumblr taught me to follow?
You don't have to "embrace" your femaleness. You just are female, no matter how 'feminine' you act and dress. Your gender doesn't define you.
Maybe you have some internalized misogyny? Do you feel ashamed of being female or feel you're "not like the other girls"? What makes you want to identify as agender?
I certainly have been feeling internalized mysogyny. As a teen I've been brought up with the idea that females are shallow and insignificant and that only males can achieve meaning and success which contributed a lot toward me identifying as a trans-man.
Nowadays I feel that women are frankly wonderful, but I still feel alienated somewhat by the culture because I've never felt any strong ties to being female and to be frank I still largely dislike my genitals even if I recognize tham as my own. I guess patriarchal brainwashing is not easy to get rid of.
I think before anything you should work on coming to terms with your genitals. Once you're 100% comfortable in your skin the gender identity (or lack thereof) stuff becomes largely irrelevant, imo.
I guess I'm kind of agender. I mean, I recognize my female body with all that comes with it, but it's not something I think about a whole lot. I check 'Female' off on forms and then just do whatever I like. The whole thing about gender roles is that they're performative. And the whole thing about performance is that you really don't have to perform if you don't want to.
How do you get over the mental block of feeling incapable of doing something for "men", despite it being impossible to tell if you're capable because you can't manage to get yourself to try at all?
It might sound like a personal issue, but I know for sure that the reason I don't try to do so many things I'm interested in is because I'm traumatized from being so harshly judged for minor mistakes made in a beginner phase, always letting me know that I'm not allowed to make mistakes and learn from them if I am a woman. I don't want to try anymore.
>>276121>Despite all that ofcourse I would do it all again. It's pass or die.
What a wonderful message. Torture yourself with all this dangerous, painful and completely unnecessary cosmetic surgery or die
Even if it seems minor, it's a trauma that affects how you live your life. I personally do a lot of CBT exercises on even the smallest problems in my life. >>276165
Yeah, honestly this. I don't trust anyone's opinions until they've shown me through their actions that it's coming from a genuine place. It might sound bitter or jaded or whatever, but I'd rather be pleasantly surprised that a person is goodhearted than disappointed when they turn out to be a dick.
It's not easy being a woman in this world. In this world, men are the default humans. They are perceived as persons. Meanwhile, women are perceived as women. When a woman becomes successful in academia for example, she's usually still being objectified and judged on the basis of her gender. It sucks but society isn't going to change immediately and it's just something we have to come to terms with right now. Identifying as agender/non-female won't change how you're perceived by other people. By being (proud) gender non-conforming women, we can set a good example for other women and future generations, imo.>>276159
Yeah, I can relate. I sometimes feel like I'm a representative of all women, especially when doing something typically "manly" and if I fail, it will make all women look bad and just reinforce the stereotypes that we're weak or stupid. I think a lot of women struggle with stuff like this. Please don't let it discourage you. Do whatever you want to do and avoid/call out people who treat you differently because you're female.
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>pass or die
By his own admission in the comments he ALREADY passed, but went through the surgeries anyway.
>I passed pretty much all of the time but was extremely insecure about myself. I not only want to pass, I want to be ridiculously attractive.>>276108
The thread I was specifically referring to was larger, and considerably funnier.
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I’m not sure how to feel about nipple positions being gendered, but wouldn’t it make sense for “feminine” nipples to be lower and to the side for breast feeding?
Though I probably shouldn’t be questioning the logic of someone who willingly had their nipples removed.
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>>276208> tfw going through the subreddit and think most of the ftm/nb tomboys look really cute.
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To be fair, she had her nipples removed due to a high breast cancer risk.
Agree with you that the nipple placement thing is dumb.
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unfortunate face shape
but tbh I would have thought she (yeah, it feel weird saying he) was just a slightly unfortunate looking normal girl
Yeah. It's a shame really.
I wish I could contact the girl in pic I posted and ask her out, provided she's single and into girls too.
For some reason my heart melts when I saw her. She looks like the chillest person to be with.
> tfw no tall dutch gf to cuddle with
I really didn't expect this.
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I was surprised to find out this youtuber is trans
i'm very uncomfortable with the way people are so happy to sexualize these young boys and for them to sexualize themselves. he's very young, iirc, like, 13. he was posting youtube vids with very provocatively styled makeup from like 12, i believe. it's horrible enough that it happens all of the time to all girls, but it happening to young boys as well, is just so gross. these libs are insane to be ok with this.
it literally does feel like all of the backers of this shit are under the covers pedos.
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yes, here's the first vid i saw of this kid from like over a year ago. how are people okay with this? he's obviously styled to appear nude and wet/sweaty. so disgusting. these parents are just awful.
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The Michigan Supreme Court recently ruled in favor of appeal by a woman who originally sued Planet Fitness for not properly disclosing in their contract that males who self-identify as women were allowed in locker rooms. https://thinkprogress.org/michigan-court-anti-transgender-planet-fitness-ruling-11d48ac24db8/
Of course, I jumped to comments section and what do you know? Screeches of TERF, “scientific” links to articles about “lady brain” and trans women threatening and insulting every GC woman that dares to defy them.
I wonder what kind of feminine, better-at-being-a-woman-than-a-biological-woman innocent flower could have posted an image such as this?
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Oh, here ~SHE~ is!
That was predictable, wasn’t it?
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"This is the moment I realize…fuck I pass. No shave in 2 days, raggedy looking with no makeup from being in the middle of a road trip…Jesus I’m a girl!"
Pic related was posted 18 days ago. This man thinks he looks like a woman. Can you imagine this guy with beard stubble and no makeup, probably towering over the other women with his broad shoulders and lack of hips, talking in his weird troon squeaky voice, thinks he passes as a woman? lmaooo
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Good post from a bisexual woman with a MTF spouse, the entire comment thread is worth a read.
OP:>I'm currently writing this while sitting in my own fucking excrement, leaking in large amounts out of my vagina.
Mod, in reply to a now-deleted comment:>don't make comments that encourage people not to get SRS.
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Have you seen the gallery of someone's botched SRS posted in the comments?
Click at your own risk!
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Another one. I actually feel sorry for this person.
>>276492>>276492> I flew home the next day and by the end of my flight my depends was soaked with liquid shit. I verified when I got home that it was indeed coming from my vagina.
Thats because it's not a vagina. Imagine sitting next to this person on a flight.
>I'm currently writing this while sitting in my own fucking excrement, leaking in large amounts out of my vagina. I SERIOUSLY DOUBT that this will go away, because of the amount of feces coming out. It really is a lot.
This is so disgusting I cant even laugh, I just feel sick
>>Cutting off an penis can’t be too far behind.
It isn't. You anons should look up nullo/smoothie culture if you aren't already aware of its existence. Literally men removing their genitals (and sometimes nipples).>>276492
What's even sadder is that some MTFs claim living with botched surgeries is still a better alternative than having a penis.
Reading through that is so much fun lol
Typical Americans: their 1st thought isn't "how to fix this" but "sue the shit out of her!!!"
Advicing him to go to a normal gyno; just imagine you're trained to deal with vaginas and then suddenly a dude with shit leaking out of wound between his legs shows up and demands your help.
But the worst thing is: why the fuck does insurance pay for shit like this?!>Don't accept anything less than one of your top 3 doctors. Fight your insurance company to cover it.
Some people lose their everything because of horrible accidents and their insurances hardly pay anything.
Sorry for blog, but my grandmother died from breast cancer, an aunt had it as well, so my mother had her chest removed since she was tested and the chance that she gets it as well was 1 out of 3. It took her and her doctor a long time to get the okay from our insurance and then she was only assigned a shitty doctor that caused her lots of complicatons. Nevertheless, sueing him would be completely impossible; but trannies demand (and are given) literally everthing.
>If the trolls are getting under your skin, consider browsing this tumblr complimenting cats
Is this satire?
Anyone know what all that fibrous wormy looking stuff is?
I guess I never understood the neo-vagina thing like who would want to fuck that? Even one that's done "properly" can't feel right. It's so desperate and sad..
It just looks like pus to me. Can any medfags confirm if it is pus and if this is like, necrotizing fasciitis or something, because it looks so fucked. (the 'labia' and 'clit' skin is so fucking thick. they look like especially meaty slices of rotten baked ham.)
I dont know how this shit is so normalized when the wound created is so large and in such a moist, vulnerable area. I checked the rate of surgical site infection a while back for mtf bottom bullshit and iirc, it was something like 21%, in comparison to the avg surgical site infection rate, which i believe is like 2%. Iirc literally like 50% of troons were expected to develop a surgical site infection, and like 87% of ftms developed infections.
People are going to start dying in droves from this shit
If i stroke my 4chinnychinchins Im sure I could think of a certain mainstream board thats deffo gotten the ball rolling on romantizising traps and the culture of being "better than a roastie"
Its the same as alot of FTM being fujoshit cosplayers who are so engaged in a 'speshul' culture they go off the deep end not realizing their 'norm' is becoming more and more skewed with time.
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Fuck. SRS should be illegal.
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a five-year-old girl tells a man he isn't "supposed to be a boy" presumably because he is wearing a ponytail/has long hair
this is so heartwarming alexa play wake me up inside
>>276620>>276639>they're being played>They’re being lied to.
Literally by whom??
You act as if they didn't want this themselves and didn't get the public to spend thousands upon thousands on them.
If some dumb bimbo decides that she's gonna get G cup implants or a nose so small it nearly falls off nobody is going to feel sorry for her either.
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Out of all reddit trannies, this one scares the fuck out of me the most. I feel like after taking this picture he beat a woman up because she looked at him the wrong way. It's scary that guys like him are now allowed into spaces that are supposed to be women-only, ugh. Also I love when trannies start by posting selfies in the crossdressing subreddit and then at some point switch to the trans hugbox subs. it's not a fetish guise!!!!
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They really are obsessed with age, aren't they…
I've looked at transpassing on Reddit. It's where the man who >>276652
has linked posts his gigantic arms sticking out of dresses and tries to get reassurance that he looks like a woman. But anyway, it's insane. I'm scrolling, scrolling, scrolling and it's almost all mtfs.
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yes this is exactly what young women look like lmaohttps://www.reddit.com/r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns/comments/94vgwe/when_your_doctor_says_the_condition_is_normally/>Why is she pulling down her panties :👀>To pull her dick out, obviously. :D The caption translates to "Time for your injection." >:D This is what happens when you let non-op fujoshi post memes.
i wonder what doctors who support trannies would think if they discovered the internet profiles of their ~poor suffering~ trans patientshttps://www.reddit.com/r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns/comments/8zrro2/i_covered_my_desk_at_work_with_crossdressing/https://www.reddit.com/r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns/comments/8zrimv/when_youre_too_excited_that_youre_developing/
reminder: this is a grown ass man in his mid 30shttps://www.reddit.com/r/transpassing/comments/8vohcx/10_years_hrt_and_yes_i_only_take_selfies_with/e1p6t4c/
10 years of hrt and he still doesn't pass and is wearing school girl uniforms ew
fuck i'm so disgusted that people like him actually exist and aren't even shunned by society
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all i see is tim heidecker
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that anime he likes is actually quite trans phobic lol
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this has probably been done but I felt the need
Yup. In TRA newspeak, biological reality = death threats so according to them she started threatening them first, and retaliating in kind by threatening to murder her is therefore perfectly logical. No “TERF” has ever assaulted a trans person but trans people are supposedly prone to self harm, for which TERFs are apparently to blame. It’s honestly Salem Witch Trial logic.
I could maybe kind of understand if they were this aggressively opposed to homophobic men (y’know, those people that actually do harm trans people) but no, all the focus is on women who’d never lay a hand on them. At parades for every trans person carrying a anti-homophobe sign there are >5 anti-TERF signs accompanied by people carrying baseball bats. It’s extremely disproportional. Can you imagine if a lesbian radfem brought a baseball bat to a pride parade for self defence? She’d probably be arrested. But it’s okay for trans-identifying men, because they
’re the ones who need to defend themselves. Right…
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A beautiful polyamorous girls only quad.
I'm probably not as terfy as most people here but these are great example for the ones that seem to make effort to pass and look pretty, Blaire White too. (Even if his/her viewpoint is a bit.. uh)
Then there are balding, extremely 'nerdy', anime obsessed troons that looks like stereotypical basement dweller trying to crossdress. There's definitely something wrong going on with these type other than gender issues.
I don't want to blame nerdy hobbies as I used to be in fandoms but looking back there's a huge concentration of weirdos in these scenes.
..why the hell they're so obsessed with labels too? Going to tumblr of these troons you'll see the list of their gender and sexual identities, and a long list of mental illnesses.>>276816
The label like genderfluid is a big obnoxiousness marker, it's not really about being a specific gender as being 'look how speshul i am'.
This made me sad and I pity the person. But I was just weirder out when I read
>the worst part was whenever I got aroused, I would swell up around the urethra, and it would puff out>I wasn't going to sit around for a year with a broken vagina, losing more depth, unable to have sex with anyone, getting piss everywhere in the bathroom.
How did he even get aroused at a time like this? If someone butchered me like that I would probably fail to get aroused ever again, not only that, my whole life would have turned into one prolonged panic attack and I would seriously just kms. How is he even thinking about sex???
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"I know I don’t pass or anything but I absolutely love how I look and feel in this pic"
literally just a picture of some obese man
bonus: his first reddit posts were on bimbofication/sissy hypno subreddits but then he stopped and started posting on trans subs
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i wanna diehttps://texasanimenerd.tumblr.com/post/151675616941/wtf>Why is it so hard to find good hentai with trans women in it, that is NOT degrading or tagged with shit like sssy, shemle, or trap??? Like seriously, what the fuck?>#tw:slurs #girlslikeus
but of course he has no problem with terms like slut etc AND is not just a pornsick weirdo but a sjw/tra ughhttps://texasanimenerd.tumblr.com/post/155485566661/hypnotists>Why are hypnotists so hard to find? I just want to be hypnotized into a complete slut, why is it so hard to find an erotic hypnotist? And why is it so hard to find one who will work with Transgender people?
can someone please ban porn
An obese man with a floral skirt
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this image screams "I showed you my dick pls respond"
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where do I begin
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>I want people to know is that it's normal to want a vagina and to get one, but there’s also a problematic stereotype that trans women aren’t “real” women until we have surgery, and we are. I’ve always been a real woman.
>For example, I had a lot of trouble finding pictures of post-surgery vaginas — they’re not really put out there because they can be considered sexual pictures. I only think I saw, maybe, one picture, so I didn't really know what I was going to get. The only place that I ever consistently saw a trans girl’s vagina was in porn. And the ones I saw in porn were … pretty bad. They sometimes looked plastic. Mine doesn't.
>I have kind of chilled out at this point and don’t worry about my vagina constantly. Now, almost a year and a half later, my vagina looks like every other person's vagina, but with two faint scars on either side where the incisions were that are still healing. You can't really tell it’s any different from a cisgender person’s vagina. When I don't shave, you couldn't tell at all. I've shown a few of my trans girlfriends, and a few of my cis girlfriends, either pictures or in person, for science, and they've all been pretty shook.
>And I feel safer. Now, I have the same problems that cis girls have, like, "Oh my gosh, I've got to shave more" — not, "Is someone going to tell I'm trans and then literally murder me?” My friend got punched in the face once on a date after a guy found out she was trans. There's so much violence against trans women and I didn't want to be another statistic.
>I don't identify myself as trans on my dating app profiles because it just brings out the creeps, or turns a lot of people away, and I would like people to see me as the woman I am. Before my surgery, I did say I was trans in my profiles, because it was a safety thing — I didn’t want anyone to be surprised and turn violent — but then I’d be fetishized a lot. In a lot of ways, it starts with trans porn, which is very objectifying and misogynistic. It's not, like, “sexy trans girls stripping.” It’s more like, “she-male tranny slut gets anal fucked.”
>My recovery is going well. I still have to dilate about once a week. But I feel whole, and while I have issues with my body like most women — sometimes I wish my waist were skinnier or my hips were wider — they're nowhere near as bad as they used to be. It's just a whole new world, to quote Aladdin. My vagina is my favorite part of my body.https://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/a19670405/transgender-gender-confirmation-bottom-surgery/
i'm really curious right now, does having a good doctor can make their pseudo vaginas look better and more realistic? how do they even have sex with that thing? fucking lol at 'mine is just like a woman's when it's all covered in hair' duh, of course you can't see anything. and a fucking tranny complaining about fetishism had me cackling, their whole lives revolve around it.
Christ anon, I thought this was you for a second. Blogposting usually means it's your personal shit.
Even fully "transitioned" he looks like a dude. The constant obsession over the pseudo-vag just screams autogynophile to me. I don't think having a good doctor would even help really. They're taking skint that naturally produces hair and is not self-lubricating. No matter what, it's going to be frankenpussy.>>277039
No, you're not overreacting. The only time I've ever shown my pussy to a friend has been because A) I was super drunk and B) I was getting lasik to get rid of my bikini line so I wanted to show off the progress. I would never take pics of it and send it along.
>>277022> can make their pseudo vaginas look better and more realistic
yeah, depending on the surgeon, some look pretty decent imo, especially compared to how shitty the tranny phalloplasties turn out
tbh i'm super fascinated by these surgeries. like, these people often spend over $20k to have their genitals irreversibly mutilated?? despite all the risks and horror stories, and having to do that dilation thing forever???
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This one was also on Reddit, has anyone else noticed the ones that "pass" end up looking like sex dolls? Blaire White is one example, this tranny is another one.
So many people on here act like bob passes too, but he just looks like a drag queen to me. I've never understood it.
Come on, it's not like some guys actually have naturally feminine features (especially when still young) and can look pretty convincing with appropriate makeup and clothing. >>274365
are good examples (although the former might not even be trans-identified)
Honestly I think it's always funny when young, rather decent-looking people post in trans subreddit because you can tell that some trannies get really jealous (since for them the most important part of being a woman is being attractive and fuckable, of course). I've read posts of young TIMs who say they don't feel welcome in their local tranny group because it's all troons in their 40s or 50s that are really bitter because they look way better than they do.
Also>objectified in porn
Yeah, like…women are??? Not a fan of this person
You have never seen a man be misogynistic?
Men act catty when their masculinity is challenged by a woman and male trannies act catty when their 'femininity' (lol) is challenged by a woman. It's as easy as that.
>>277020>"bawww, why aren't real women not licking my asshole and agreeing with literally everything I do and say? fucking terfs!!">>277022>My friend got punched in the face once on a date after a guy found out she was trans.
This dude is surprised that his friend got punched by his date because he was acting like a potential rapist by deceiving his date, what an idiot.
>I don't identify myself as trans on my dating app profiles because it just brings out the creeps, or turns a lot of people away,
So this guy is so clever that he thinks he should hide the fact that he's trans to potential dates despite the risk of being in danger once he's found out, rather than state the fact that he's trans beforehand so he can only get dates who are genuinely into him. Even though he knows it's dangerous since he knows his friend got punched in face for that. He has to be doing this on purpose.
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Some people tried telling him that women can also have it hard (but of course not as hard as tranz womenz!) and this is what he says:>I do wonder if my dysphoria might be because of my subconscious belief that women have it way easier socially. I may be able to talk myself into not believing that on a conscious level, but intuitively I strongly believe it to be true, and nothing will convince me otherwise.>I'd honestly love to be bullied or have someone be passive aggressive to me. That would at least mean that I exist in the same universe as other people.>I really don't care about being respected or seen as competent. I just want to stop being lonely. I honestly fucking hate the kind of respect I get as a man. As a man I'm respected because of skills I have, and that's it. >Maybe it's sexist or whatever but I've spent 25 years observing how men and women are treated. I genuinely think people care more about women. To the extent that men are ever respected, they're respected as tools rather than as real people. I don't want that. I just hate the role that men perform in society, it disgusts me. >I also don't know of any women who are as socially isolated as I am.
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Why do they always assume that if they'd been born women they would've been popular stacies? Because that's the only kind of woman who gets hundreds of likes posting stupid shit on social media. And people don't orbit those women out of the kindness of their hearts, it's because they're hoping to fuck them or boost their social status. He's so damn clueless.
From his history lmao>Masculinity is a bullshit concept that feminists invented to attack males. Men are accused of “toxic masculinity” for things that wouldn’t be questioned if someone in a female body did them. It’s just more propaganda to make us hate ourselves.
Read some fucking history books jfc.
This guy's out here seriously believing that there are no NEET recluse friendless women. Wow.
There may be some truth to it being less likely, but I'd attribute that to women being raised with expectations for social skill development. We're primed to make social situations easier for ourselves and others. And men just want to talk to us more because they want to solicit sex lmao.
Of course someone who admittedly has nothing else to offer would be fine with being objectified and never having their skills taken seriously. Why bother trying to empathize with women who actually desire being "respected because of skills I have, and that's it." Many of us want just that.
I can see where he's coming from, but that doesn't mean womanhood is objectively better for all women. Or even most.
And–surprise, surprise–to get out of being "invisible" you have to work on your social skills and yourself. This goes for ugly women as it does for ugly men. I spent a good chunk of my young life shy and invisible (and, no, guys don't like it if you're fugly on top of it) but I worked on myself and can manage social situations now. It takes time but it has to be done. jfc.
That also explains why he says shit like that>>I also don't know of any women who are as socially isolated as I am.
He's like a baby, if HE can't see these women then they don't actually exist.
He seems like he knows he has a problem and where it comes from though, I'll give him that. Maybe he won't fuck up his body and reputation by actually transitioning.
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“Non binary woman”
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Why is it that girls pass better than guys? Will it change if they're older? Or do I just think so because I perceive them as not as creppy as mtf?
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Some funny stuff when you select "interested in women" on tinder.
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"Flood detected" pffft
>>277190>you can shorten it however you like
i'm sure calling them Al would trigger
I would have spent that cash on that big ass jaw and losing some weight. Trannys always waste money on the dumbest shit lol
Also he sounds super entitled.
Reading through his comments, he literally memed himself into a gender identity crisis because he has absolutely nothing going on in his life and started obsessing about gender. Was 100% fine with himself until he "found out" about transition. Wow.
Why do these dudes hate finding an actual hobby?
Also >writes software
I have gotten the impression that in some programmer spaces they really only respect people who live that stuff 24/7 and many try to live up to that obsessive standard. Maybe some of those people wake up one day and find themselves totally unfulfilled with zero sense of self outside of tech stuff and go nuts.
>>277022> Now, I have the same problems that cis girls have, like, "Oh my gosh, I've got to shave more"
Ah yes. The essential cis girl problem. Not "can I walk home alone after dark without getting raped and/or killed". Holy shit this just goes on to prove that you CAN'T "feel" like the other gender. These freaks have no idea about the nuances of having grown up as a girl and experiencing life as a girl. All they have is a superficial fantasy of being a pampered princess with make up and pajama parties.
>In a lot of ways, it starts with trans porn, which is very objectifying and misogynistic. It's not, like, “sexy trans girls stripping.” It’s more like, “she-male tranny slut gets anal fucked.”
Oh you mean just like ALL STRAIGHT PORN FEATURING CIS WOMEN right?
I work as a programmer and while most of us are normal, sane people, for some reason a lot of troons happen to work with tech. I've met some through my weeb hobbies, not professional environment, and they seem to be just waifufags who took it way too far after having no luck with real girls. They're mostly socially isolated freelancer programmers who can't function with group environments which a lot of software projects are, so that's the reason I don't meet them through work. When they're surrounding themselves with their fantasy life and not meeting real people and they hang around a certain scene (other
hardcore escapist males with no contact with girls), it's only natural that they'd start believing all sorts of crap about being able to become a real ~animu girl~. That's why their idea of being a girl is dyeing your hair with shock colors and wearing thigh highs.
but if they don't feel
like they have aids, do they really have it?
a community of mostly straight white men saying they're at risk of genocide lmao
also, browsing nazi subreddits counts as self harm to this guy? "this makes me mildy uncomfortable, this must be violence" - someone who has never faced any discrimination, probably
tbh, i do feel a little bit bad for this guy if he is genuinely afraid, libfems love to scaremonger and act like [well-off western country] will soon become a second nazi germany (despite the situation and material conditions today in western countries being vastly different to those in the weimar republic)
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found this mildy interesting paper on the treatment of trans-identified people in nazi germany: http://sci-hub
spoiler: no one got killed for being trans although nazis were worried that they might be homosexual
They think that if they can get enough people to "clock" cis women they'll prove that "not even cis women pass!" and use that as evidence that TW
are totally the same as us lol
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found on tumblr, context coming up
>>277540>bathrooms should be based on biology
REEE I'LL THREATENED WITH VIOLENCE>ok you can have your own bathroom
REE YOU DON'T THINK TRANS PEOPLE ARE LEGIT PEOPLE>ok, we'll make gender neutral one-room bathrooms
BUT then i don't get to be seen as a real woman!!! everyone will no i'm trans!!>jfc just use the fucking bathroom, no one cares
I CARE YOU CIS ABELIST SHITLORD
I get what you're saying. I was definitely thinking of isolated, I guess freelance, programmers in my original post. Guys who aren't "great enough" to have all of their horrible social skills excused because they're not that one "genius savant" dude who can come up with amazing solutions to whatever problems the group has. Idk how to say it, but maybe you get it.
I don't run in professional groups, but I have found that at least fakes, hobbyists, and children believe they're always that
guy. I was speculating if that belief fucks them over in the long run and causes them to panic and eventually scramble to find a way to make up for it (i.e. turning to their mysoginistic views of gender and blaming pretty stacies for their social popularity)
>>277596>"i'm a cisgender woman and you look more like a woman than me"
I hear this a lot and I never understand what the point of these comments is. It’s always said in reference to men who have undergone a lot of cosmetic surgery and/or photo editing. Of course someone who’s done everything humanly possible to look like a Bratz doll will look more like a Bratz doll than a natural woman, yet they act like it’s some kind of achievement. Anyone could get those procedures done to look like that, but only TiMs are praised for it. If an ugly woman got that much surgery she’d be criticized and mocked.
I see this a lot with my friends with regards to meitu abuse. A man can angle and filter himself beyond recognition and it’s “omg so cute slay queen you’re prettier than we are” but if a woman does the exact same thing she’s called a cringey tryhard.
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reeeeeee why won't lesbians fuck me
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My heart breaks now.
I hope he gets raped to death in jail.
What a monster, I hope he rots in prison. I hope his cellmates treat him like a bitch.
>before penetrating her
So he has a dick? How the fuck is he considered a woman then? Fucking lib retards.
but guys, men would never
simply pretend to be women to gain access to them in bathrooms!
Holy shit… I honestly think they looked 100x better before surgery. They had a naturally fairly round face which is actually fairly feminine. Their profile looked balanced too…
After they just looked… botched… like their chin was massive and their face so out of balance. I thought they were shaving down their chin and their forehead? Like wtf.