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This thread is for the discussion of transgenderism / trans ideology from a gender critical and radical feminist perspective. It was originally created by Admin as an amalgamation of the TERF and Transgender threads.
Gender critical and radical feminism define gender as sociological (feminine/masculine) and sex as biological (female/male). Woman is defined as an adult human female. Radical feminists seek to abolish gender as it is used by patriarchy to oppress women socially, reproductively, and financially. They strive to preserve women's spaces (such as restrooms, locker rooms, and health care providers) and areas of artistic and intellectual expression separate from men.
Trans ideology posits that one's gender is self-determined based on one's feelings and defines woman as the characteristics and behaviors traditionally ascribed to females by society. Increasingly, transactivists are conflating gender and sex and asserting that a person can self-identify both gender and sex.
Gender critical feminists strive to maintain the distinction between gender and sex. The conflation of gender and sex erases the biological reality of women, eliminates women-only spaces, and disestablishes women as a protected class. Existing laws and legislation currently being passed around the world allowing for self-identification on legal documents do not differentiate between gender and sex.
The acronym TERF (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminism) is used primarily by transactivists and their allies to denigrate radical feminists and other women who express gender critical ideas. Transactivists portray TERFs as violent oppressors by virtue of their ideas alone.
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minor nitpick to the title image… https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/a_priori
anyone else have trans family members? my sister is on t now. it's been an incredible insight as to how people are just desperately in need of an identity. she's posting about how t makes her go to the gym and eat protein bars.
my mom went along with calling her they during her "nb" phase but she won't call her he. "There's always something new with her", she says. "I just can't let that word [he] past my lips, try as I might."
Radical feminism doesn't exclude trans men, also this >>448809
I hate the op image can we remake the thread while it's still empty
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But TERFS are the violent ones apparently…
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And follows the exact gender binary they supposedly want to get rid of. This is truly some twisted shit from the '50s.
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The jealousy never ceases to amaze me.
yes and yes I think so too. You can tell Contra relies on all the old Baeddel discourse points to form his arguments which his clueless viewers attribute to being unique and new to him.
There was a lot of crossover with the Baeddels and SomethingAwful. And a lot of crossover between SomethingAwful and Silicon Valley. And a lot of crossover between troons and the military and intelligence services…
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The era of the Baeddels is over but that's because all TRAs spew the same bullshit as they do.
I went and looked at this creature's tumblr and it has NPD, BPD, schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. https://personalmoshiakh.tumblr.com/brain
Imagine being this pressed about something so inconsequential, my god.
Cutting your hair is an old east Asian symbol for moving on from the past and starting a new beginning. When a girl's hair is cut in film, that's usually what it means.
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Related. I fucking hate seeing tw
, esp. transbians, talk in this horrible porny slobbering way about boobs. I see it more and more from the lefty nerd contingent and I guess they see it as transgressive to be open about their ~messy desires~ but god 1. you're horny boring straight boys who will never be the busty goth domme you want to be, in large part because those are fictional characters created by men, for men, and 2. like all dude-centric porn culture, it feels fucking suffocating to be around as a woman.
I don't think so, and here's why:
It's their own retarded fault, and they deserve this. Many of them are narcissistic, pornsick incels who deserve to get a taste of their own medicine. Woman have it easy, huh? Let's see how you like it living as not just a "woman" but an ugly one to boot. They learn first hand the number of standards we're expected to meet.
Also, troonism has basically created a way for us to identify pornsick psychos on sight. It's like they're waving a big sign that says, "I'm gross, please avoid me!"
I used to feel sorry for them too but now I'm here.
If they genuinely wanted to be women, they'd be happy being an ugly one. They want to be real life porn caricatures and it makes me laugh so hard when the realization dawns on them they will never even pass, let alone be attractive women. Usually at that point they've fucked their bodies up too much to just go back to living as men, so they end up in this doughy, balding, sweaty, knee-sock wearing mess. Top kek.
Men have 0 sympathy for women that fuck up their bodies and faces by chasing this impossible version of a woman, why have any for trannys?
There's always comments on these videos talking about how the tranny is better looking than any woman they've ever seen irl. Where are these men living lmao.
Anyway yeah, SEXuality. Crazy these straight men aren't up for sucking dick but I guess they have to now because they were fooled for 5 minutes over facetime by a tranny with a forced vocal fry and 40lbs of makeup and extensions.
I really hope they keep doing this shit. Trying to force straight men to fuck them is gonna be their downfall. Also the first guy he called was 17 so a literal CHILD and he kept on the call begging to be in his music video, but the 17 year old is the bigot for not hooking up with this adult male lol.
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I can't understand what these types of genderists on tumblr are talking about half the time. They don't type in a readable way and shroud their points in so much impenetrable language that people outside of their ecosystem can't understand. Most of their posts seem to just be seething at "cafabs" and lesbians but covered under what they think is intellectual language.
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This just happened to Vancouver Rape Relief
this is why oger and his entire tranny posey deserves the gallows
they’ve been acting like violent thugs against these women and specifically this shelter for years to soothe the burn inflicted upon their own selfish narcissistic egos by a women’s group that dared to tell them no
the whole lot of trannies who’ve ~mysteriously~ pushed out any and all women’s voices in Canada in favor of tranny sentiment all should burn in hell for the liberal frozen hell on earth they’re creating up in the great white north
Yes! They are a coherent class! They’re called women!
Seriously. It's one crisis centre, ONE, that politely said no. That's it. That's all. Every other shelter in Vancouver welcomes them.
And in response they've spent years sending violent threats and campaigning for defunding despite the fact it will disproportionately harm vulnerable Native American and immigrant women escaping abuse.
This is not normal. This is not sane.
Anyone seen this my strange addiction episode? It's absolutely disgusting.
>Riley>addicted to being an adult baby>also a trans woman>"It's totally not a fetish guys, I'm living the childhood I never had!">comes out to her sjw-looking friend>said friend looks like she's hitting peak trans right then and therehttps://staydiapered.wordpress.com/https://twitter.com/rileybbq
quelle surprise. i mean i don't feel bad for scrotes because they literally do nothing about transbians trying to fucking murder us and stefonknee pissing in public (they only care when it's this crap and >>449276
which is honestly of tertiary concern to me, and ofc they use this shit to bash lesbians as 'perverts'). but this fake-bf shit seems common and these scrotes seem to use it as social climbing and getting money/favors. i bet laverne's bf is fake too.>>449357
utterly fucking disgusting
That makes me sick, but I'm not surprised.
Just watch. People are going to call anything or anyone even vaguely feminist or supportive of actual women "TERF". They'll try and roll back everything that's been worked for, claiming we don't deserve shit because we have "cis privilege", and are therefore basically the same as men.
All this TRA shit is just a loophole misogynists (both 30+ year old boomers with crossdressing kinks and maladjusted, hentai-addicted cumbrained incels) have discovered, and liberal feminists have fallen for it.
"Feminism" is going to be dirty and unpopular again, only this time they'll give it a new, derogatory name.
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People are shitting on Mia Khalifa for saying this too
this straight girl is so happy to call herself a faggot, jesus christ
fujos are fucked in the head, jumping at the chance to label themselves slurs
So you think these people should be forced to live out as nerdy white guys, so that a innocent woman could mistake for a shy/sweet guy that could be a good boyfriend
Nah let them troon out, the sooner the better
So their problem is supposed to be my problem?
I’m saying literally as a woman that was always attracted to pretty/not traditionally masculine men and who has several troon attractant features, I literally live in fear I will accidentally date and get emotionally attached to a AGP
Is Vancouver a black hole or can something be finally done about the tras already?! Jesus christ, and they still demand to be in our spaces. I've read that many trannies are laughing about it and for owning the terves uwu. Hope more places start to just shut them out. Enough is enough.>>449423
Same. It's sad that people are shitting on her for breaking their illusions of porn stars being sex objects 24/7 loving abusing their bodies. It brings back the hard reality to their faces that most women don't like what they're doing.
But leave it to pornsick men and misogynistic tras to call for a witch hunt.
A lot of Chinese and Korean Canadian women were labelled TERFs too because they set an anti-prostitution organisation since they’re often victims
of sex trafficking and apparently TRAs got angry because their existence implies cis women are more oppressed than them or something
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So this is what Rick from Degrassi is up to nowadays. Sad.>>449385
I was surprised to see this on my timeline but I'm glad she's speaking out about her time in the industry. I wish her the best.
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Classic Baeddel nonsense.
Lundy Bancroft a confirmed TERF
Mia Khalifa a confirmed SWERF
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They don’t want care, they want access to the vulnerable women inside. IIRC the TIM whose rejection spearheaded all this was a would-be volunteer, not someone in need of help.>>449447
There was also a British (?) woman academic whose office door was covered in urine after she questioned some TRA talking point. They’re like rabid animals.
God bless this woman. >>449508
I'm willing to bet that this is a joke/parody headline and most likely photoshopped.>>449509
While reading this I was only thinking "This is 100% written by a man" and color me surprised when I read to the end and the author was indeed male. TL;DR version: He's blaming ~feminists~ for eradicating gender stereotypes and thus opening the flood gates to trannies because of course transgenderism would happen once you allowed people to be GNC!! He only briefly addresses female socialization with a dismissive take:
>When the paradox is noted, it is explained away as the result of “female socialization”: women are socialized to be kind to men, and therefore they prioritize ostensibly vulnerable males—transwomen—over their own needs. This explanation might have some validity for ordinary women. But it cannot be plausibly applied to ambitious and successful politicians and their counterparts in charities, public services, and universities. It is also hard to reconcile with the fact that young people with a university degree are the most likely demographic to embrace transgenderism; young women with degrees are also most likely to call themselves feminists.
It can't be plausibly applied how? Once you're indoctrinated from birth to place everyone else's needs over your own and taught to be the "bigger person" by bending a knee and selling your own gender out, it's hard to shake it off no matter what authoritative position you hold. And as for politicians, they can be bought and lobbied into agreement. The biggest people funding the trans movement are millionaire white men, how the hell is this guy not addressing that and only placing the blame on reeee feminists? How is he not seeing the amount of male AGPs demanding their way into female spaces through violence or threats of violence? Does he really think that women hold so much power (what a joke) that they're capable of pushing the trans movement so aggressively? Hell libfems pee their pants in fear when you imply that men don't belong in feminism and how sex work should be banned for exploiting women, how is their attitude not the result of female socialization and its need to prioritize yourself at the bottom?
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It's funny how this specific scenario would never happen in real life because of the troon.
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"Neovaginas look just like the real thing! If you wouldn't fuck one you're just a transphobe!"
(Don't click if you're squeamish. I spoilered the pic for a reason.)
How is this person even able to apply anything to their raw open meat?
The fact they're able to consider this ok enough to post this to reddit for a second opinion makes me feel like they don't have full mental capacity. That butcher is profiting from legal abuse of the mentally ill.
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There's a special place in hell for surgeons who perform this shit. They're literally taking advantage of mentally ill people's delusions for profit and mutilating them.
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Just… why. Why would someone do this to their body? What doctor would agree to this shit? Absolutely horrific.
Even if this healed correctly it would still be pitiable. That mound of flesh which I'm assuming is supposed to be clit looks ridiculous.
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And this was his final judgment.
To think, doctors who do this shit are seen as having done "the right thing" to "help" mental illness. We're
the bad ones for seeing something wrong with this picture.
Oh Jesus fuck I opened this right as I was making lasagna, put me right off my dinner plans
I feel incredibly ill thinking of the troon who I once shared an apartment with, especially as they moved in right after their surgery and used to be very comfortable whining at me about how painful dilating and injecting their hormones was (I was sympathetic in those days, because ~girlz supporting girlz~ lol). Like, no shit it hurts. How does anyone sign up for this willingly?
>>449600>And I am sure, Testosterone will help me feel finally confident
Idk if it's a language barrier. I don't think so, they seem Icelandic and they have really great English skills. But this is so, so sad.
She's struggling with SOMETHING. Isn't identity issues common with identical twins?
Also I forgot halfway through that this was a trans video, because it just seemed like the gay coming out videos people used to make.
They say that because of the censorship. They hardly are ever exposed to this shit despite being very very very
common. The stats even say that after surgery troons kill themselves at higher rates due to these severe complications and that they assume their surgery will be a perfect success story
I went through OP's history to find the surgeon.
Dr Ellie Zara Ley, who works under Dr Toby Meltzer at his clinic. He's a well-known surgeon in the world of GRS.
In other words, this wasn't some back alley hack job by a no-name. This was by a globally recognized, well-known surgeon who many troons go to. This is not a one-off.
At this point, I think they are into communism because it's a convenient rebellion point. I've also chalked it up to them liking communism falling into the same category as them liking cat ears and chokers: They're groomed in an online echo chamber that adopted and glamorized it.
They haven't read any books on communism, and actually don't support it beyond justifying their panhandling for hormones with Marxist ideas (that's not how it works).
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That's an "excellent approximation" indeed
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oh god, you really can pinpoint the exact second his friend hits peak trans. she has a few seconds of>what the fuck what the fuck what the fuck what the fuck what the fuck
and then her face just falls. ugh. poor girl.
I spoke with one of em. And to me its prob that echo chamber and glamorizing shit and what seems the best for them.
Like to them capitalism is like the devil and actually following real communism is good. They said something like following actual communism, not like russia shit.
Idk, prob a mix of glamorizing, not wanting to work so much and be responsible and thinking a place under communism will be best for gay people and they can do all the delusional shit they think.
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the passage in question. spoiled for obvious reasons.
Speaking completely honestly, I've seen neovaginas that look fine for what they are, but I've never seen one that looks like a real vagina. It simply isn't possible with current surgical techniques. It will always be too high up on the pelvis, the clitoral hood will always look either strange or being missing entirely, and the fourchette is always missing too because it cannot be created by any current surgeons.
That's simple fact.
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exactly. here is one of the top posts of all time on reddit's manmadepussy subreddit, which is specifically for posting "attractive" neovaginas, usually pornstar ones.
this is as good as it gets, the best of the best.
it still doesn't look real.
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These pictures make me always scream inside my head oh my god why
I see what you mean. There's something just visually slightly "off", and if you're as used to looking at biologically made "pussy" as most pornsick males are it leaps out at you immediately.
I also now really want to see that collage of screenshots of an /r9k/ thread where the robot posted a picture of his gf's vag and didn't realise he was fucking a troon (and getting laughed at by robots, which is the ultimate insult after injury.)
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Caught these sexual pics on the wall for the split second that they actually showed it. The right "sexy little girl/how 'Riley' sees himself" pic is disgusting.
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ok, this is epic
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Drag is men making fun of women but the misogyny is "queered" so it's considered "woke". >>449893
It's easy to reduce women down to cliches but hard to do the same for men as they are seen as human beings with a full range of experiences - they are considered the norm so you can't really stereotype them. It's like how it's so hard to racially stereotype white people.
You raise a good point about drag kings still being incredibly niche acts while drag queens are making bank, but these days I feel like drag as an industry is more referencing drag itself and gay men's subculture than it is referencing women. I don't look at drag queens and see anything even remotely "women" about it in a way: the drag [queen] industry I think could exist entirely without women and still look the same. It just never seemed "for" me or really anything to do with me, but more as a way for GNC men to relate to each other. I'm not sure I even find the fact that they're dressing up as a bunch of female signifiers that insulting: drag queens don't look or act like women, they look and act like drag queens.
I do know what you mean about gay men's capacity for blatant misogyny though. Maybe my analysis needs a bit more thought.
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Its like a troony Craig from Degrassi
it's really ironic some times, because I was watching a kat blaque video a long ass time ago and he was saying how gay men can be more misogynistic than straight men (which is true, don't get me wrong) and that a lot of gay men seem to think that they know how to be a better woman than women do, and that's why he couldn't watch will & grace because so many of the jokes seemed misogynistic.
it was like the pot calling the kettle blaque.
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Speaking of Sissy its pure kek that he posts the same bullshit hypnosis videos as /r/mtf
Sit him down and tell him all of your complaints.
If he refuses to accept it, continue saying all that you need to say and cut him loose. Don't outright say "I'm dumping you" (that's too difficult IMO, and I imagine that's why you haven't broken up with him already), just "Well, if you can't understand me, then this isn't going to work, so maybe…".
It'll cut him. He'll either go silent and you can walk, he'll throw a tantrum and make it that much easier to walk, or he'll make excuses, waffle around, and finally actually promise to change (but tbh, if he's really a narcissist, he won't change anyway. It's just fun when they're apologizing and trying to get on your good side for once).
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Just saw this on Spinster. I'm disgusted but not surprised.
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What does this even mean? There's a specific appearance and age you have if you're a feminist, and you're also straight? What do they mean by "PLEASE DON'T TELL US SHE'S A TERF"? Are they worried that people are going to say that, or that this fictional being with no opinions or personality might
be one since in 2019, feminism = automatic TERFdom?
It's almost like this is just so retarded I can't even process it, let alone be offended.
Also, note that they made the "trans" version basically look exactly the same, but with a tattoo, the "feminist" dial turned all the way down, and more makeup, lmao.
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a personal troon. I have a hard time believing the legitimacy of this? He’s really gone off the rails since deciding to transition, dragging his long time girlfriend with him. It’s really sad honestly
converse are pretty forgiving in terms of size. I've had three different sized pairs (uk5,6 and 7 -I'm a tk maxx shopper
) in the past few years that all fit fine. They're easy to stretch out if they're a size too small and don't feel like clown shoes if they're a size too big.
So normal girls should be 160cm and trannies get to be a bit taller at 170cm.
Men sure love to feel like they're the biggest…
I am so disgusted by this.
>Feminism is said to be about women’s rights, isn’t it?⠀
⠀>I guess it should protect all women then, including those pixelated only on the screens.⠀
⠀>Being a woman, I want to feel this sisterhood and care. I’m saying no to hatred and anger just because of the fact I was created not to someone’s liking.⠀https://www.instagram.com/p/B0IshUYnEm4/
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Yeah, he just placed one foot further than the other>>450160
That's not how bones work, keep dreaming tranny.
I've seen that too. Everyone cheering on a man for declaring that biology doesn't make a woman a woman. Reads very clearly that to them, 'woman' is a feeling that should be always accompanied by stereotypical feminine things like jewelry and dresses. And their fight to be there really only consisted of yelling at uncomfortable women, calling them bigots.
What's ironic is that poc especially black women don't put up with men especially black men trying to be women.>>450216
Every. Single. Time kek. You could always tell by their writing and descriptions about their misogyny/male supremacy fetishes that they were 100% male. They were either in their 30s or 40s, hated feminism and anything that involved women in nonsexual situations like fight for rights, white and living out in bumbfuck nowhere.
It was a while ago but I remember an expose by buzzfeed (I know it's buzzfeed but it was a pretty good deep dive) into just how many men were larping online as women, specifically ultra conservative alt right anti feminism women. Despite shitting on anything related to women, men wanted to convince women that there were women who agreed with them. It was wild
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It’s funny to see how hated trans activism is among non-white immigrants even though the former pretend to “speak on behalf of PoC”
It's not that it magically makes your bones shrink. It's that you lose bone density, which makes your feet a little smaller.
Testosterone effects your body in a similar way to aging because it involves the drastic lowering of estrogen. As you get older, your feet grow, it's very common for women to experience this. Being on testosterone is essentially like going through premature menopause in a lot of ways and rapidly recreates some effects of aging, such as foot growth.
It is not a good thing, it is yet another side effect of your body responding horribly to hormones that have no business being there.
I fucking hate this on every level you pointed out. Also, like, this is a Ryan Murphy show, and we're just not going to talk about how fucking gross his track record with female characters is. I even LIKE a lot of his stuff but he spends years doing the same old misogynist (but it's okay I'm a sassy gay guy, I can say things like women are stupid and dumb and disgusting and shallow) shit, then he makes "serious" stuff and puts his same old misogynist shit in the mouths of oommggg trans woc ommggg and suddenly it's daring.
I hate how (everywhere, but especially in lefty queer places) women=mundane in people's minds. Teen girls are stupid screeching fangirls, moms are this poor woman, boring and stupid and not even in good clothes, and then you get old and you're worthless. I hate how alienated I feel because of this attitude in LGBT spaces. I hate having to be the "boring/spoiled/stupid/clueless" springboard for some male's identity because he's decided on woke MRA talking points. Like how is the black trans woman character here not basically saying "stupid roastie with your pussy pass, you'll never know real pain."
Honestly, I can respect huge parts of it, but this shit is the reason I straight up don't go to places dominated by gay men anymore. I am so tired of feeling like a dress up doll at best, and a fucking urinal at worst.
All of this and shy yume thing is so incredibly cynical, I'm honestly shook
Also,>put the safety of porn producers at risk
cry me a River
>>450277>puts the performers safety at risk
Like… How porn does?
Love that they came for NoFap that still is growing too. Just looking at that sub and you see people talking about porn like the drug it is. These porn producers must feel threatened that those guys really don't want to be addicted anymore.
Wondering if we'll start to see the divide of women rejecting porn and mtfs troons pro porn grow thicker.
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>>450223>If you criticize anything about a CGI representation of a woman designed by men, then you're not a feminist. Feminists should defend the non-choices of representations of women that are designed by men.
>if you hate that this CGI representation exists, then you hate the type of women that she represents (bisexuals, Eurasians, etc.)
So it's the porn industry using a fictional woman as a sockpuppet and acting like criticism of the fact that she was predictably made bisexual is criticism of bisexuals.
We are seing a site that profits from the sexual exploitation of women protecting their business.
If feminism was understood to be for women, and women were understood to be adult human females, women as a class could talk about our sex-based oppression.
But when anyone can be a woman, regardless of sex, we can't analyze trends of which group of people is getting strangled in xHamster videos by which other group or which group of people is being pressured into anal sex by which other group, after the other group watches porn and develops an interest in rough anal sex.
So to prevent us from having the language to describe sex-based oppression, they want to redefine 'woman' to mean anything and nothing, so we can't talk about issues affecting women because we can't define women. So they REEEE against terfs. It's truly evil.
And now they're making a sockpuppet that will try to muddy the waters and act like greentext is true.
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why is it horrible? if these degenerate freaks are so retarded, sexist and deluded that they think being a woman is opposite of being human and they'll suddenly transform into sexy big titty anime girls who fuck other girls they deserve to waste their money and feel horrible about their ruined bodies later. nasty mind, nasty outside, that's all they deserve.
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I knew this, but seeing it typed out and broken down just pissed me off even more. Of course, some libfems will unironically defend this, because they lack critical thinking skills.
This was supposed to be the age of progress and advancement of the human race. What happened?
Just what is this world? Can we even stop it at this point, or are we just meant to watch this horrible machine run itself into the ground?
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>>450324>So to prevent us from having the language to describe sex-based oppression, they want to redefine 'woman' to mean anything and nothing, so we can't talk about issues affecting women because we can't define women. So they REEEE against terfs. It's truly evil.
Absolutely. It's so scary and insidious. Feminism is always enemy #1 to men.
>>450358>“terf” kinda sounds like a fantasy creature, especially when people say “terves”.
kek I make that association too, maybe because 'terven' sounds like 'elven'
As much as I'll tell anyone that terf is a slur, a silencing tactic and not even technically accurate I still think of myself as one tbh, it doesn't bother me on a personal level and I'm happy to be what they hate. It's not like radical feminists excluding (male) trannies is anything but reasonable so I'll cop the label.
Anon if you’re still here, do you have a good support system in place? Someone to help you through this and give you a place to crash if necessary?
Extracting yourself from an abusive
relationship with a TIM may be even harder than getting away from a ‘normal’ abusive
boyfriend, because he may have already built the narrative that he’s the real victim
in this situation and you’re the abuser. When regular men try to pull this people are more likely to see through it but with TIMs you never know. I hope you have people in your life who have your back and haven’t swallowed his bullshit. It’s much easier if you’re not alone.>>450355
I think plenty of them know that women are afraid of them and like it. If they wanted women to think well of them they wouldn’t be so quick to threaten our lives and livelihoods whenever we step out of line. They enjoy ruling through fear.
I agree, I think many of them are a bit gender critical and may even have views that would be considered "radical feminist" but perform cognitive dissonance to keep their friends happy. The way that trans activism works is actually very similar to how cults operate which is why people can get stuck in it for years even if they know deep down that it doesn't make sense. >>450357
Nearly all matfems I've met are shit. They borrow from the same Marxist canon as radfems but matfems sit in the ivory tower all day writing their post-structuralist deconstructions of sex in their attempts to be "trans inclusive".
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Better start updating those business cards, ladies!
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I thought this as soon as the JK Rowling thing happened. Like, someone as widely admired as her (which is still true despite her kinda weird recent dumbledore-gay type stuff) isn't going to get canceled because you call her a TERF. If anything, people are going to see Rowling's original tweet and probably agree with it because they like her. As it is, Harry Potter obsessed types are some of the loudest non-trans TRA people, so alienating them is a reallly bad move.>>450447
same thing happened to my mom. she said she was fine with trans people in theory, but when it's someone you've known their whole life, you can see how much of a self-centered, identity-obsessed moron they're being. and these people just LOVE to be able to cry on twitter about how their parents don't support their "transition" when all my parents are concerned about is, you know, the lifelong health damage from hormone injections. as for me, when she starts to get an awful pube beard and is stuck with it for life I'll fucking laugh. she's 5 foot 3 at most so she's gonna look like a literal gnome
my breaking moment was when he expect that I won't get mad after he stole one of my bra and talked about it in a weird fetishistic way to his fellow tranny friends (bonus point he pulled on it so strongly he cracked the tulle lining in the process, bitch, everyone know that you shouldn't try and wear something that you know would be too tight for you)>cry on twitter
My brother whines about me contantly for twitter likes pretty funny stuff
for me, i am a horrible transphobe and a reactionary and pretends our childhood didn't exist (we were best friends growing up)
he threatened me, called it a "radical act of self care" and was cheered on by his tranny clique that's the kind of environment he decided to surround him with
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Why are they so rapey
I live far away from him, unfortunatly he's coming back home soon>murderous energy
He became an aggressive and thin skinned individual, escaped home for a bit after my dad asked him to cut his 5cm long nails and I had a violent altercation with him on the subject of his annoying voice, another one on his usage of his phone while eating
Will take precaution next time physically and mentally
Unlikely. There was a tweet circulating where a troon claimed despite having male circumcision he is a real
woman so what happened to him was FGM.
I couldn't even listen to the first two minutes of this privileged asshole.
How many times does this shit have to repeat before they realize having a dick between their legs is a big fucking deal to most straight men?
Why don't they just hunt at gay bars and the like so the message won't be so unclear?
So they joke about the ladyboys and he thinks that her ‘I’m trans’ comments were also jokes so he was shocked to find out she had a dick when he wanted to hook up.
Also she said some drunk girl at the club took photos with her because she thought she was so pretty ? And that it made her feel good having that attention while she’s out with these tinder dudes lmao eye roll
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Well some brave and stunning transwomen pay cosmetic surgeons for elective surgery that inverts their penis which is basically the same as being held down and forcibly mutilated because uh, something something transmisogyny. Anyway men are the real victim
here TERF TERF TERF TERF TERF>>450569
Probably. Some TIFs seem to be actively trying to reach TIM levels of obnoxious assholery, like the ones saying abortion isn’t a women’s issue because “men get pregnant too”.
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I just found pic related.>>450683>biological reality
Or reality in general. They think lesbianism doesn't really exist and Wittig doesn't believe women have vaginas. Matfems have some good theory but their community has been full of trash since the trannies started to take over communist spaces for w/e reason.
Yeah I think it's a mixture of through-and-through sexist pornsick narcs and guys who started out on the OK side, some gay, some effeminate and socially awkward, and got memed into it. Clearly it is like incels where most of them end up becoming hateful, sexist, potentially violent egotists regardless which is atrocious, but I'm also heartbroken to see so many vulnerable young people get roped into it as a "solution" to their homosexuality, gender nonconformity, depression, etc. when it's clear it's not truly helping them and that the results of transitioning are vastly different from what is being shilled to them, with most targets now being minors too.
Ikr. Scrotes don't give a shit when transbians pull this shit everywhere, when Stefonknee plays with children and pisses in corridors, when the Wachowskis are named in polls 'the greatest female directors of all time', when every woman's org is filled with troons who nail rats to doors to intimidate them.
They only care when they might look like a ~faggot~, usually after an extended period of getting involved with the TiM to begin with just like the losers in that video. Not to vindicate TiMs with their 'we're ~hawter~ than natural women' bullshit but I do think a lot of scrotes lowkey DO want something from TiMs, usually something twisted. Especially since the ones attracted to troons often end up trooning out. Also the fact Thailand has had 'ladyboys' for thousands of years in itself is fucking weird and the fact fucking 4chan and 8chan is full of TiMs is freakish>>450687
I feel bad for people like Jazz who were clearly brainwashed by their parents from a very young age into doing this for $$$ or because they didn't want a 'fag' son. I don't feel sorry for the average troon. Most of the time they become hateful and twisted because those feelings were simmering underneath from very early on anyway. I mean look at >>450483
her brother was her best friend and now he shits on her for clout
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I mean It's is a cult. Doesn't mean everyone is a victim
. Plenty of transcult leaders using their power to control others and abuse people. Also plenty of vulnerable/easy to manipulate people sucked in for the wrong reasons. Being honest is super important to prevent people from signing up and if you have any experience in the trans community is helpful to vent your anger without beating around the bush.
I think having some "nicefems" around is useful in that they give them the same information in a way they don't immediately block out due to brainwashing.
those people are usually HSTS, those are the only ones i feel for. the autists are generally terrible. they're high functioning ones, not rainmen. imo, all of these men are men and boys with brains already fully blown with male entitlement and hatred for women. these boys, for the most part, from infancy, are given the gift of male exceptionalism and are encouraged to victimize women and girls in some respect, and to resent women and girls for living life on "easy mode". like incels, these aren't boys and men capable of being reasoned with. they're critically retarded and are social liabilities. until they develop deep vein thrombosis or necrotizing fasciitis, imo, there's no saving almost all of them. they're too deeply entrenched in their fantasy. they do not WANT to recognize or live in reality. every second they're conscious is spent making deliberate efforts, mentally and financially, in believing material reality is not real. the dream runs so deep they're all coalescing to completely contort biological science. and your efforts will just cause more resentment. this is why incels lash out at women that try to empathize with them or help them. the only way to prevent this is to stop or undo male conditioning.
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So TERF really just means lesbian, doesn't it?
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They aren't comparable at all.
I mean the way her brother changed is kind of what I was talking about - seemed perfectly normal when he was younger but got into trans stuff and turned horrible. It just always seems like young guys without a particularly strong identity other than gamer and without particularly strong irl friendships (which happens to a lot of people at one time or another during school) fall in with trans circles online that are always hungry for more people to validate their identities, and they end up ruining their health and irl relationships over the sexual fantasies they've been exposed to. >>450702
I agree entirely, but I think that while a lot of men & boys are raised from birth in a culture of male entitlement, without the aggravating factors of personal feelings of inadequacy and online radicalization, that usually doesn't lead to full-blown incel or troon. and the weird thing is that a lot of incels/troons come from liberal/progressive families that have taught them female empowerment. It's just that now a period of teen/young adult depression and directionlessness can lead to lifelong health consequences and lifelong membership in anti-woman groups.
Porn addiction and escalation is definitely the root cause and TIM stuff is just another offshoot of this as you said. I think if you look at it like drug addiction, where people fall into self-harm and violence toward others, the parallels are strong. It's hard to feel sympathy for someone who kills two people in a liquor store robbery to fuel a heroin habit and obviously that person isn't really deserving of sympathy, but it's still a human tragedy. With both drugs and porn though, it's difficult to prevent access, and as a society we haven't really figured out how to dissuade people during their upbringing, much less later in life when attitudes are fixed.
Did… this person really put "posing as men" in their supportive post?
That's just one step away from "posing as women," implication being we can and should pose as whichever gender gets us the most economic and social benefits at the time
Amazing trans support gurl
I mean none of that is wrong but I also don't want to blame people for being raised in toxic
environments, even if it makes them personally insufferable and dangerous. While they might not be able to be helped, we need to look at how to prevent this toxic
culture from being transmitted to the next generation of male children.
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Troons seem to get the most angry if you make these types of images with anime girls.
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The only questioning response that wasn't deleted (wait for the response…)
Since when do we try to get troons fired and evicted? All we want is for males to stay out of female spaces, and for womanhood not to be viewed as a stereotype, costume, or "feeling". A troon can be midwife- er- midperson if they want to. Just don't be a creepy pervert.
The only time troons' professions are the source of contention here is when they try to compete in women's sports, and in that case, we don't want them to be fired, we want them to switch to the league appropriate to their biological sex.
Also, uteruses are
awesome, and they should be acknowledged as an innate part of womanhood. They're capable of taking two cells and turning them into a little person, something even the latest medical science can't accomplish. When men try to control abortion and contraception, it's not just about regulating uteruses, it's about subjugating women. Our bodies aren't the defining attribute of our experiences, but they play a huge role in womens' lives and that shouldn't be minimized just because it hurts the fee-fees of a tiny fraction of the human population.
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Ehh, I’d rather not have a man in a wig as a gyno or midwife or even a waxer. They exist the way they do because they fetishise womenhood. Why let them in to places where women are vulnerable and exposed?
Half the troons out there would spend the gyno appointment telling the woman that sigmoid colon holes are basically indistinguishable from her normal genitalia or to be grateful about having a cervix that can grow abnormal cells at all.
Lots of women are uncomfortable with normal men being gynocologists, let alone delusional, narcissistic, sex-obsessed men.
Oh fuck I'm wheezing. This just confirms what we all know, trans narratives are inherently conservative.
TRAs, care to explain this shit? Kek
This doesn't surprise me. The south is conservative, so people there have more rigid ideas of gender roles. Therefor, if a someone living there is GNC, they think they must
be the opposite sex.
These are also some of the poorest states in the country, so people there are going to have higher rates of untreated mental illness as a result of limited access to health care.
To add to this, a large portion of heavily religious parents will kick out a gay child, but sigh in relief if said gay child comes back saying “oops actually I’m just the wrong gender, not gay”.
I wish I could dig up the documentary I watched a few years ago where this same situation came up and the parent was talking about how relieved they were that their daughter was actually a “son” and not a lesbian.
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crosspost from the phoebe tickner thread, one of the troons she 'signal boosted' for their surgery fundraiser
being a troon apparently means it's socially acceptable to crowdfund your outrageously cartoonish and sexualised 'dream body'. I'm sure plenty of us can recognise having imperfect or less-than-ideal feminine proportions but e-begging for plastic tits is not something the internet takes kindly, unless you plan on showing them for cash later. In which case, cool, but not something everyone wants to do.
this shit frustrates me endlessly. actual women don't get people fucking falling over themselves to throw money at them for plastic surgery. I'm sure plenty of us have hang-ups about our bodies, some of us might even like to have cosmetic surgery, but har-har, vagina owners, nobody cares & if you want surgery (as an actual woman, not a LARPer) you're a vain, superficial bitch.
sage for pointless reeeeeEEE
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Trans people themselves, especially the men, are more socially conservative too. There are more self-identified “feminist” TIMs than TIMs who actually support women. The TRA response was to call the study flawed and critique the sample size, despite it being many times higher than the n of that study about brain sex.>Meredith G. F. Worthen>A Rainbow Wave? LGBTQ Liberal PoliticalPerspectives During Trump’s Presidency: an Exploration of Sexual,Gender, and Queer Identity Gaps>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13178-019-00393-1
(sorry about the paywall)
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>>450765>Communities with most conservative views also have the highest amount of trannies, more news at 11
Whoda thought! >>450780
I remember seeing a study that conservative parents are more accepting of transsexuality than homosexuality but I'm struggling to remember the name of it. If anyone could provide I'd be extremely thankful.
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Is Blanchard right?
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I agree they believe in some goofy shit, but it's still 100x better than helping an industry that profits off of trafficked women or is responsible for pushing violent fetishes
Yes, although I've definitely noticed the social contagion with males too. All these beta nerds who'd never think to transition (were often reactionary Gamers making fun of anything lgbt) if it wasn't for their discord buddies telling them becoming an anime girl will make their life easy mode.>>450846
A lot of fakebois are fujoshi who think being a gay man will be like their yaoi hentais.
In fact what he needs is a new category called Anime Induced Gender Dysphoria.
Whenever I read through r/mypartneristrans it never fails to enrage me.
More and more posts are from partners posting appreciation post for the troons they're dating.
Some people are completely desperate and burned out, but nevertheless they only get replies like "You've done a good job supporting them so far…your partner is having a really hard time…you need to…".https://www.reddit.com/r/mypartneristrans/comments/co2wff/at_my_wits_ends/
This woman's "wive" has been transitioning since 7 years while the woman was working and taking care of their child. Doing everything, including financing the troons's transition is still not enough… >While it's hard on you emotionally and physically, how much harder do you think it might be for her? You're watching her suffer, but she's the one suffering. You're watching her throw out years of progress, but she's the one feeling like it was all a waste.
In a few years we'll see statistics of people who kill themselves because of trans partners/parents/kids.
The two mindsets often interlink but AGP is an evidently sexual fetish motivation. You can tell the difference since AGPs will scream from the rooftops how they love being a "woman" but the mostly social contingent ones seem almost sad about it. Like this was their other option to throw away their old life rather than suicide. But at least they have a community that accepts them now and an excuse for their problems normies can't question. Often say depressing, but still of course misogynist, things like "I was never good at being a man anyway".
They are usually the orbiters of the more confident AGPs who hang around in their e-wakes, giving them their narcissistic supply. AGPs seem to spread the social contingent on purpose since they know they'll get more betas to follow them about in their friend circle ego boosting them, to spread their political ideology and/or get a sexual kick out of "turning them out". Think of the 4chan discords that set up elaborate shilling plans to meme robots and incels into trannies and the reddit/twitter "egg" culture where they basically psychic drive depressed GNC men into thinking they're trans.
When you read that subreddit and other stories it's creepy how common several things are across basically every story of a woman whose husband trooned out:
Trooning out just after marriage, or during pregnancy/just after kids are born
Running the family into credit card debt to pay for expensive clothes and make-up
Claiming HRT made them want men and either cheating or saying they should be allowed to cheat but the wife must stay faithful
Stealing the names of children or close family members
Stealing the wife's clothes and makeup without permission
Suddenly becoming extremely verbally abusive
and blaming it all on HRT
Neglecting and ignoring the kids
I've seen all of these things happen in these stories over and over. It's like clockwork.
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I'm the usual OP. I was watching the thread when you posted. Threads autosage at 1200 and lock at 1213.>>448819
The OP pic is a recent post by redkatherinee in her new style. Her word choice could be due to nuances in translation?
>>450866>not misogyny in the normal sense
It's still misogyny though and women are fully aware that there are many forms of it.
>comes from narcissism, not systemic patriarchy
The narcissism is caused by patriarchy, Ray.
Honestly, I don't have much respect for sexology as a field because of how male-dominated it is. I don't disagree with Blanchard completely but many of the studies I have seen done on GID by him and his colleagues could do with some more female researchers.
>>450864>Trooning out just after marriage, or during pregnancy/just after kids are born
A lot of men show their abusive
sides after marriage or kids because now they have "trapped" the woman. Some men forcibly impregnate women to make a genetic connection through the child.
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I found a tumblr post with the same thing
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I would be surprised otherwise!
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Troons exempt, I presume.
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Wow, I hope that is a troll post because if it isn't they can fuck right off. Literally sounds like a textbook fakeboi with internalized misogyny. Let women be tomboys and stop telling them they need to be men if they don't want to be girly FFS
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It's not stated in the Guardian article, but the cop cosplayer's a tranny. The Guardian links to a German article that says he's a TiM and did time for sexual assault, which is why he says he can't be a cop, but still wants to "help people", whatever the fuck that means.
Is this sorry ass motherfucker trying to claim that his male circumcision is comparable to a girl getting her clitoris chopped off and labia sewn shut? Imagine these people going up to feminists from central Africa or conservative Arab countries, possibly victims
of extreme sexual violence committed by men, and start telling them how they should stop gendering FGM because not all females have a vagina and their male feelings are hurt. I would pay good money to see what happens.
i somewhat agree with parts of this, but please atleast educate yourself on FGM. there are different levels and while i'm not advocating either, comparing them as a human rights issue is fair for men's causes and doesn't distract from the issue for women.
this "muh female penis" crap however is fucking retarded.
Mate, circumcising is done Mostly for aesthetic and (myth) sanitary reasons. Even in religious context, it’s inconsequential. Most uncut scrotes in fact are mad at their parents for NOT circumcising them. The cut ones are only mad because they masturbated so much their dicks have become useless and they blame it on missing a piece of skin.
FGM is literally torture of little girls because experiencing any kind of pleasure will cause them to grow up to be dirtied harlots. Simply because they are females who are viewed as sinful by default. These girls would be lucky to die right then and there.
A life where you you'll never experience an orgasm, never know what it even feels like, Yet you have to marry a man and see him fucking orgasm all the time..
Versus a little piece of skin being gone, can still orgasm
I think this was Transgender Kids: Who Knows Best?https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x58s24i
I remember it was pulled from broadcast right before it was supposed to air in Canada. One of the talking heads is a tif who is one of the scariest looking people I've ever seen. She reminds me of the bum behind the diner in mullholland drive. her face just gives off this sense of pure dread.>>450847
Interesting that he made it all the way to adulthood and had his claws sunk into some poor woman and her fetus before his disforiyyaaaa became unbearable.
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>>450847>just tried to tuck my true self away>my TRUE self is one that is medically altered>living without artificially changing my natural body is "living a lie"
This reminds me of pic related which raises an interesting point related to TRA/libfem views on hormones and plastic surgery.
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Anyone would want to join a discord server that revolves around radfem issues? I could create one! There was a little bit of talk in either the radfem thread or in the previous gc thread about a discord server but it never went into fruition as far as I know.
>>451036>Your body is not you, it's just a vessel
This is the exact mindset I had at the height of bulimia. I felt no emotion about destroying my body because who cares? It's just a vessel I wield power over, I can do what I want to it.
So fucking unhealthy.
I think I remember someone posting about that. Wasn't she against it because she was the only black woman in the room, and also "coincidentally" the only
person they asked for the pronouns of in a room full of other newcomers?
I didn't know about the colonizer stuff, but the above alone was reason to tell them to piss off IMO.
Don't say Western if you mean only Europe(Anglo and French)/US/Canada. Mexico, Central and South america are together with Iberic Europe also geographically Western.
That's why I can't with Burgers or Burger rhetoric, you complain about liberal feminism and special snow flakes changing the meaning of words for their own benefit but they only do that because that's imbedded in the Anglosaxonic culture to change vocabulary to fit your view of the world.
Gay conversion therapy now comes in a new trans edition!>>450872
redkatherinee introduced me to GC/radfem ideology so she has a special place in my heart
There’s those two privileged old white men, who of course trapped their Japanese wives before trooning out, pushing their politics and using their media connections to bully Japanese women. Linguistics professor Eric “Elin” McCready cried delicate girly tears over being denied at women-only event at bar Gold Finger while tech CEO George “Ana” Arriola volunteered to help him generate bad press against them and accuse the owner of transphobia. The funniest thing is that transmen are welcome to that bar and there are even transmen bartenders there.
Then there was the last Women’s March that was inundated with with foreigners holding TRA slogans. Mostly in fucking English, of course. Who the Hell goes to another country, where they aren’t even a citizen, and push their ideologies like this? Now these assholes are deliberately starting Japanese blogs and trying to promote usage of “TERF” against Japanese feminists and encourage animosity among Japanese trans people when there was never a problem in the first place.
Like you observed, trans Japanese people traditionally did not consider themselves exactly the same as natal women or men. They just wanted basic human rights and respect while they deal with their gender issues and the majority are HSTS, so there is not a huge rift in Japanese LGBT due to them. They would basically be called TruScum or transmedicalist by TRAs and to Japanese, they’re just next level gays. But libfems and anime-obsessed TRAs are trying to ruin everything and are targeting Japanese feminists who typically did not have unusual problems with HSTSs before.
The definition of importing American problems.
How are the Japanese population (LGBT and feminists alike) responding to this?
For when X-Men
is too offensive kek
This. Circumcision needs to be completely separated from conversations about FGM. FGM is 1000x more harmful and important to campaign against.
I honestly think it's fucked up to cut ANY healthy parts off of a child regardless of gender. But to even compare circumcision to FGM is disgusting, sexist, and sheltered. It's peak whataboutism.
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It’s basically conversion therapy because a homosexual man can become a heterosexual woman. Better to be a “straight” tranny than gay. Straight trans people are still gay in my opinion because sexual orientation is based on SEX and not the gender you identify as.
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TiF gets invited to a gay friends party, goes looking for some action, is butthurt that the GAY MEN in attendance talk about dick, won’t flirt with her, and she isn’t invited to their threesome. Crazy right?
For all this "kill/rape terfs and tehms" shit, I'm going to need them to find corresponding examples of so-called "TERFs" or "TEHMs" saying "kill/rape TiMs and TiFs".
If we're really the bad guys here, where are all the radfems and gay men calling for the death and systematic rape of all trannies to match this energy? Why aren't we as disgustingly violent as them? They say our ideology is "violent", but ask them to point to where we ever claim they deserve rape or death, and they fail miserably. That's their
Really makes you think.
More they say this shit and encompass more and more people under their "terf!" attack, more people quietly peak and get fed up with them.
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This person is such a giant embarassing retard that it was hard to pick one tweet to ss and post. He's written for some shitty publications– I've read some of his "articles." His grammar is horrible and the stories read like a giant pile of his obnoxious tweets.
Anyway, pic related really stands out. What he's ostensibly saying is that trannies get a bunch of money now because a bunch of gay people worked really hard in the past, which makes no sense. If that was the case, the money would be going to gay people.
Troons are cash cows for pharma companies. These companies pour money into trans lobbying groups so more
people will troon out and buy their drugs. It's not rocket science. Gay people can't be exploited in the same way, so gay/lesbian-specific charities aren't getting pharma money.
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>>451224>"Mentioned I am a trans guy">"explicity stated i'm not a girl"
I guess she believes that if she says it enough times it'll become true. This whole story is so fucking cringe. These people are totally detached from reality.
This is genuinely the first time I see a TiF reacting the same way as TiMs usually do.
Why o why won't those gay men who made it obvious that they're into dick fuck her? Oh the dysphoria, oh the rage. Grow the fuck up, not everyone has to care about your feelings.
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He also has an autistic obsession with Posie Parker and is constantly trying to start arguments with her. Then five seconds later he whines about Mumsnet "stalking" him.
It's intetesting that he uses and pseudonym and never posts pictures of himself. Even his icon is a poorly drawn anime girl version. Usually narc trannies are eager to post hideous selfies, so I can only imagine how ass-ugly and non-passing this clown is if he isn't posting pictures.
Never showed a picture, never shows up in any video, constantly redraws that same picture. Afaik he is actually quite tall and manly, but larps as being small soft uwu.
Even if you interact with him more privately, the misogyny is palpable. If you aren't an Asian smol loli waifu who is very soft, you are less of a woman than him in his book lol.
Funnily enough I've made the mistake of going into his discord server and once became hollier than thou and snarky towards me for thinking misgendering isn't violenece
People here were weirdly aggressive and of course some safe space for trannies
Funny for someone trying to be le Rational Tranny™
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>>451283>PoC trans women often have it harder in our country than white trans women
They're literally the ones getting killed every week. It's interesting how white trans people constantly bring up these high murder rates to make themselves look more vulnerable (oppression points) but also don't want to give non-white trans people too much attention because they want to focus the discussion on themselves and how they're the biggest victims
. It's very self-serving.
Does Japan have a troon pandemic?
Not even (most) Europe and Latin America have the same situation, only americans have so much social valitation + tools (money) + an industry profiting from mentally ill + a culture of unbridled individualism were you can just go live your impulses on a whim with little consequence.
Mexico is like weeb central, but while Latam otakus are a huge fucking cancer that should be exterminated with violent force it is nothing like in the US, only particular issues of each society get externalized in those kinds of microcosms and subcultures. The left wing colored hair tranny who posts fetish and furrys on twitter is a very distinct american phenomenon. Even an actual tranny from Mexico or Brazil will have a vastly different experience than the college educated gringo one.
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This post is interesting. I've never thought of it that way. I may have not realized because I am not very interested in shipping so the things that always angered me about trans headcanons was when they made strong female characters biologically male (we already have so many fucking males and females are constantly deemed biologically inferior so that shit ain't revolutionary) or when female characters were headcanoned as trans men/non-binary if they were gender non-conforming. I was especially angry when gender played an important part in the plot such as needing to pose as a man so the constant discourse about Mulan being a trans man caused me to peak trans lol.
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Troon doesn't want to get a job but also doesn't want to do any housework.
They seriously think being a woman just means people will hand cash and expensive gifts to you all day long, don't they?
Interesting to note that most PoC troons are HSTS while most white troons are AGP.
I believe that this is because activities and spaces like anime, sissy porn, socialist/communist internet forums, discord, and video game forums where AGP is spread viraly is mostly dominated by white males.
>>451209https://www.reddit.com/r/LGBDropTheT/ >>451212>no women are forcing themselves into gay bars and saying that others should accept them as gay men
apparently it's an issue where tifs are now demanding their way into gay bath houses and other irl gay male spaces.
and also straight women taking up space in gay bars and getting upset the dudes are gay have been a thing since forever. js.
It was somewhere upthread (I think) where actually the majority of troons have always been crossdressers/agps/fetishists. it seems reasonable to me that hsts were more visible before due to their legitimate adjacency to lgb, and agps were rightfully forced more underground because they're disgusting perverts and everyone understood back then that they weren't lgb. as gay/bi men died of aids and lesbian/bi women were raped and hsts were murdered in streets, and all were never given a chance to thrive and were forgotten, these fetishists and crossdressers faded back into "normal" society (or never left it). then i think sexposi/anti kinkshaming stuff emboldened them and was the platform for them to unleash their narcissism to the world.
i think the hentai agp stuff is just a form of ROGD in males.
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Yes this dude is an absolute moron.>why you upset tho?
The person literally says why when she goes on talk about the growing homophobia in the trans movement and how lesbians are being pressured into taking the opposite sex as partners. Of course this idiot isn't going to address that part though, because it would actually be intellectually honest to focus on the main point.
Here's a good one.>your fetishization of womanhood is proof you're a woman!!
No it isn't. Fuck off.
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I'm feeling really sad about the amazing Magdalen Berns. https://twitter.com/MagdalenBerns/status/1164200997599752192
It's so unfair.
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Yes it’s already happening. Not really engaged in gender criticalness myself, but I searched her name after seeing this thread and I’m shocked.
Someone should remind these little tarts that MEN want them dead because of the genitals between their legs.
Not women, especially not women fighting cancer. What spiteful little shitbags.
Disgusting. I'm just glad that when I search "Magdalen Berns", there's an outpouring of love and support, not trannies like this shitting on her name.
I hope she knows how appreciated and loved she is.
I knew her cancer was extremely morbid but I was really hoping she'd last for another few years. It's what she deserved in the least anyway.
I hate how rapidly her condition declined. She can't even read or reply to comments? She's at death's fucking door yet she was so full of life just last fall. I can tell in some of her videos post cancer diagnosis/treatment that some of her speech and logic faculties declined and it just…fills me with dread that everything about her that was inside her mind will be gone. All too soon. Because of literal brain cancer. How fucking horrifying.
I am russian. I won't say there are many troons. Because those who are out and obvious, tend to get beaten or murdered. Actually, any gnc person, even not a troon is at risk, such as myself, being a butch woman. I get mistaken for a troon sometimes and get my life threatened, but if I am clocked as a dyke it's exactly the same really.
I don't know of any popular troons who stayed in Russia so I can't give you an example.
There are certain communities on 2ch.hk or VK full of agps jacking it to anime traps or themselves in lingerie. The only time I've really seen male troons in the wild though is at anime cons.
TIFs are RAMPANT in certain spaces online and offline. Russian culture and our people are extremely misogynystic and we're raised with so much of it everywhere it's hard to not want to either be a handmaid to males or a male yourself. As I am a fairly known person in our cosplay/coverdance communities, I would say that like 40% percent of the girls I knew now go by male names/pronouns. One of my ex-friends actually fully transitioned, but I believe she had to go to Thailand for surgeries and only then the government officials would confirm her sex.
I am glad it's not that bad as in the other places. But while we have zero "trans rights", we don't have "gay rights" either. Or even protection really. LGB people get murdered and their murders get covered by he media, their killers get reduced sentences. We are not as fucked in the troon department, but we are fucked.
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Phantom vaginas, lmao.
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Not posting the whole Facebook thread because it's long but the story was about a TiM that got pepper-sprayed by a woman in the womens restroom because she thought he was a man.
The whole story felt like someone trolling but, no, the woman was painted like a psycho because - lo and behold - the man identifies as female and it's even on his passport!
Doesn't matter if he looks like a dude because you can't assume what women are supposed to look like.
Every day, I get more and more fed up with this shit. They're purposely twisting words to fit their agenda and you're a gross TERF if you don't agree.
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A lot of people warned about the slippery slope, that 4th wave was a perversion of the feminist cause, we told you you give a hand they'll take an arm and a leg, people still fell for the lgbt trap and the polyamory and postmodern relativist shilling, this is the future you wanted. Good luck taking it all back, that ship sailed and is only going to get worse from here.
Who is 'we'? After all, troons came out of conservative male spaces and their fetish crossdressing magazines. Why are the most conservative websites like 4chan and 8chan full of troons? Why is a place like Russia full of e-troons? Why does shit like Lockheed Martin sponsor troon organizations and conferences?
Maleness itself is the slippery slope
Sure, Its 4chan that influenced western politics with pressure for the last 40 years. don´t look at lgbt agenda pushing for it in its politics and associating lgbt with feminism and shit like "women is not born but it is made" and the shilling of relativism and deconstructing terms and gender norms.
Blame your Gen X sociology teacher.
Not really. Most white troons do this to shit on women of all kinds (especially black women who troons cannot shut the fuck up about period). The only men of color white troons shit on endlessly are HSTS cases of overwhelmingly non-white murdered TiM prostitutes and TiMs killed by male partners that they steal their 'trans genocide and violence' statistics from and apply to themselves
It's not exactly as if troons regard /r/asianmasculinity like they do TERFs
You're the same person who said 12 year olds are "sluts who need to take responsibility" if they get groomed by men, and has been trying to claim homosexuality is a fetish in multiple threads now.
When will you fuck off? Your opinions are bullshit. Go hang out with the incels you love so much on 4chan to whinge about how everything is "degeneracy" and that grown men are innocent babies who dindu nuffin. No one is buying what you're selling, asshole.>inb4 "no it wasn't me"
You have the same retarded typing style every time, but good job on learning how to capitalize.
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Same here! I feel like nowadays I appriciate her art more and how it slowly pushed me closer into learning about what GC really is
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It's like the first wave anti-suffragette art.
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It's hilarious how TRAs are trying to gatekeep positive gender confirmation to trans only
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Guys, a REAL lesbeean!!
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ALB's boyfriend was always an ugly douche and I would have ditched him as soon as he started trooning out but she's a dumbass who decided to get married instead.
Do you know the opinions on any actual Japanese people on this shit? Seems like it's mostly foreigners trying to push it.
I asked before but to no avail. I find this pretty interesting.
When will people realize that there is no such thing as "toxic
masculinity" because masculinity is inherently toxic
? It exists for men to maintain power over women who are forced to perform femininity.
Honestly I feel really bad for her. Like, it's annoying as shit to see her talk all the time now about how GAAAAYYYYYYY she is OMG GIRLSSS omg useless gay etc etc when, if you've followed her, you know she's been with two male people, the second of whom happened to go trans. It's like, jesus, you have no connection to gay culture, you've never been near pussy, you grew up as a super feminine straight girl with boyfriends. It's such a shameless, infuriating co-opting of actual gay experiences, rendering them so much less useful and meaningful for actual gay women. It's literally textbook appropriation: she never had to deal with this shit, but now that's a fun, edgy accessory, it's all hers.
But, like……I can't sustain that anger. She's gotten so fucking suckered. I barely follow her anymore because Niko is such a boring fucking textbook alt-y transbian, neck-deep in dude=centric nerdy shit, never shuts up now about wanting to be a MILF with huge jugs, wants to be Morrigan/goth chicks he was fixated on in middle school, has that weird condescending streak all those channy edgelord-turned-"woke" transbians all have. And I just look at ALB and I think, you're saddled to this person who thinks your life is something he can buy and slice and jack himself off into. It just makes me so fucking sad.
you can't learn a thing you think you know, anon. i'm not about to try to convince someone that femininity and masculinity aren't all awful. also i never said anything about masculinity for men, just that it's not all toxic
, let that sink in.
If you're going to come into a gender critical feminist
thread expect to see feminist
related discourse. The main reason why most people ITT are anti-trans is because the trans movement is misogynistic, homophobic, and attacks sex-based rights. Obviously.
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but it's kind of true. all of the GOOD things about "masculinity" (other than secondary sex characteristics) are just positive traits that can be expected of all people, that all people have, and the idea that men can't have other traits is just holding men back from being well rounded people? like, honorable, reliable, handy, proficient, confident independent, logical, etc are all traits that all people have. people should strive to have traits from both tables, so why does "masculinity" exist at all? "masculinity" means nothing without the toxic
bits and association with chest hair. masculinity, colloquially, is largely just the toxic
bits. there's nothing left of it once you strip it of all the toxic
What are you doing in a gender
critical thread then? Feminist have always critiqued the social construction of gender - how it reduces the humanity of women and gives men power over them. It's only recently that gender critical theory has been so focused on trannies as trans activism has taken over mainstream feminism and clashes with the idea of gender as a social construct as it believes gender is innate.
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relevant to the current trajectory of the thread
It makes me particularly mad when people make canon gay couples half troon.
I saw a trans Northstar headcanon the other day. Northstar, the first gay superhero! Gay people can't even have that anymore. Nevermind, Jean-Paul is actually just a mentally ill straight girl! And people view that sort of erasure and fetizhization as "woke". I've seen people do the same thing to other canon gay Superheros, like Wiccan and Hulkling. It's like they can't fathom the idea of a relationship that doesn't involve one penis and one vagina.
I want these fujoshi to take a look at Grindr sometime and see how focused on cock gay guys are. Men who sleep with TiFs aren't gay– they're straight and bisexual guys who view TiFs as an easy lay. Seriously, there are PUA guides out there about how all a man has to do to fuck a fujo TiF is tell her that he's a gay man and lie about how well she passes.
To expand on this, I also want to touch on bisexual and closeted gay people who had kids with an opposite-sex partner before getting divorced.
When I was growing up, I knew two different families for whom this was the case. In both cases, the moms won majority/sole custody and re-married other women. Also in both cases, the kids really liked their step-mom and accepted their parents' relationship.
The "evil" step-parent trope needs to stop. It's caused by the same obsession with blood relations that causes people to look down on adoptive families. I'm so sick of the paranoia about adopted kids running away to be with their biological parents. That almost never happens. I've heard so many people try to talk me out of adoption with either that or "they'll give you a disabled kid!!1!" (which is fucked up and ableist in addition to being untrue; you have to specifically ask for a special needs child.)
In my experience, it's usually men who are obsessed with having biological children, likely because they're not the ones who have to push it out of their bodies. When I told my brother I wanted to adopt, he harangued me about the negative consequences of me not taking care of a kid after the first six months of its life. He seemed to be implying that the kid would be "tainted" by the people he assumed lost the kid because of reasons like drugs or abuse. He was talking about kids they way someone would talk about used cars. It totally sickened me. Child abuse survivors need love and good homes, too.
yeah i did say in my rant that they'll take an asian girl but nothing else other than white. they even started taking russian 5-year-olds over taking newborn non-white non-asian babies - i used to work in child care in a wealthy white suburb and we had 2 russian adoptees out of ~40 kids one year. those kids were sad - little terrors, for sure, but mostly scared & confused.>>451952
all humans look like me. all humans share my genes. humans shouldn't be competing against other humans in this god damn day and age. the world is too small. we should all be working together to ensure the survival of humanity on Earth. that means educating and making healthy the children that already exist. that's how we keep our genes alive. thinking otherwise is just fundamentally ethnonationalist. sorry.
You're saying that like adoption is easy. It's almost impossible to adopt in my country, either from within or outside the country. There are so many hoops to jump through, and while obviously there should be stringent safeguards in place, unless you're very very rich theres no chance of being able to adopt.
Theres also nothing wrong with women wanting to experience pregnancy for themselves. There are many that do ivf with sonar eggs/sperm. It's not always about the genetics.(Derail)
it's nice that you want to help and I hope you can, but adoption is for the privileged where i'm from, it requires a lot of money time resources and paperwork (which in a way is normal, you wouldn't let anybody get ahold of a foreign child like you get ahold of a can of Pepsi).
a more realistic solution would be better healthcare in third world countries, so that children who were born thrive, and access to contraception, so that people don't follow the strategy of "produce 10 children so that even if five die it's okay", but ik I'm too optimistic for hoping that.
Oh darling, I was frothing at the mouth when I was a tumblr post dedicated to explaining why Feanor was a trans woman.
Yup, Feanor. The firstborn son of Finwe who married fairly young by elvish standards. Who fathered not one or two, but seven children. And not to mention his violent tendencies, domineering character and much much more… He was actually a trans woman waiting to come out… Not just gay characters, not just feminine male characters. Those lunatics go for male straight characters who have explosive male energy and ego.
those fetishists soil everything. Not to mention that one woman who supported the "Feanor was a trans woman" post also reblogged a fanfic where Feanor has female genitalia and has sex with none other then his own half brother. Yeah, because the lot of them are not just filthy fetishists.
*I saw a tumblr post
sorry, I'm angry typing…
I don't disagree with this, but by this logic, would we also class femininity as toxic
for limiting women's capacity in similar ways, telling us that traits everyone should have are somehow men's domain?
Also, only sort of on-topic, but I can't stand that so many people think logic and empathy are somehow opposed to each other. Empathy is a direct tool of logic. Just like any form of logic, it becomes faulty when taken in a wrong turn.
Well yes, the concept of gender is toxic
and it is upheld by a patriarchal system to serve men.
They can spend their money on literally whatever the fuck they want. White women aren't brood mares for taking care of the third world's problems.
This racebaiting rhetoric is retarded anyway considering transracial adoption by white people is 100000x more common in the US than Japan. Hell ALL forms of adoption are. Why doesn't the second wealthiest country in the world bother fucking adopting?
Not involved here, but I don't get why some people always bring up the tiny country of Japan in these discussions, knowing full well their culture and situation isn't the same as the west's and can't really be viewed from the same lens. Like, does most of the Japanese population want children, even of their own, that badly to begin with? Aren't they already lagging behind in reproduction rates, to the point where it's considered a social problem?
If the topic of kids on its own is left on the backburner, why would you expect them to want to go through the process of adoption, transracial or not? It just seems like a dumb argument.
Funny that you say adopting makes you a brood mare, when using surrogates is ACTUALLY LITERALLY using someone as a brood mare. Did you like, think about that one for longer than a fucking second?
People can spend their money how they want but they're still disgustingly self-centered for doing it.
Also just because Japan is racist as fuck, that means white people aren't racist? What?
Speaking of which, not every country has the same adoption laws so in some countries you can't adopt. My aunt adopted my cousin a long time ago abroad in our country of origin and it was fast, but since she barely did any research on how this worked she only learned a few months ago that adoption is impossible and she's legally just my cousin's foster parent.
I've been told that in some Asian countries it gets weird like that too but I don't remember which ones and how. Then you also have some African countries where kids are temporarily put in orphanages because one parent died and the other has to work and will bring back the kids once they have a more stable income and living conditions. The parents suddenly learn that some rich Americans who pretended to temporarily adopt the kids actually decided they're adopting them permanently behind the parent's back and basically kidnapping them.
So, adoption isn't part of what they're into as a society/culture, period, but you're still trying to compare them to a society/culture that's far more open to the idea in general, as if they're the exact same? Aren't there any more fitting examples you could come up with at all? Why the fixation on Japan? Why is it always "But when the Japanese do it, no one says anything!!"? Japan is not an extension of the west in any way. Is this just a result of the internet turning people into weebs who don't/won't bother to research world societies as a whole?
I really, really don't see your point.
What are you even talking about? Who said the first thing? This entire post boils down to "Someone somewhere said something that contradicts what these other people in this other place are saying. Therefore, both groups of people are actually in complete agreement (in fact, they're the same group), they are just contradicting themselves! Logic FAIL!".
Different people may have different opinions, and will voice them. Is this concept new to you?
>>452169>I am white
I can't imagine having so much self loathing. I hope you never have children.>This is because of racism, pure and simple.
Being able to attach a buzzword to a complicated and innate phenomenon doesn't simplify it. It isn't the responsibility of any race to clean up the mess of another.
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Because the first person was acting as if white Americans AREN'T open to adoption you fucking dolt. And I am saying, compared to whom? Do Asian-Americans adopt equivalent to their population rate, despite being on average wealthier? No. They do not.
The 'muh exxxotical p0c kultshurr' rants about a country that is a Westernized exploitation economy, is an extension of the West and acts exactly like one, including having a genocidal empire, does not work on me.
Not that anon, but maybe people will think you're less inane if you actually explain the workings of what you've classed as a "complicated and innate phenomenon" instead of making strawmen, getting emotionally-charged, insulting people and generally downgrading the overall maturity of a discussion whenever you see the dreaded "r-word". Anon wasn't even using it as a buzzword (it just made you buzz). There was a clear line of logic in its use and and explanation on where it fits into the conversation at hand. If you don't or can't accept ther points, come up with a better explanation and introduce that to everyone.
Approach a subject with maturity, rationality and actual education on what's being talked about instead of sperging out because anyone mentioning that racism is or might be an aspect is an immediate trigger
for you. If you can't do that, you should just stick to echo chambers like 4chan or Twitter where "have sex" is an acceptable response to anything you disagree with. As it stands, you've contributed nothing at all. >It isn't the responsibility of any race to clean up the mess of another.
This is another thing nobody said, and you know that, but you're still gleefully accusing them of saying it. It's like you're not even talking to real people anymore. You just make up all these imaginary enemies in your head and start to go after literally anyone who vaguely reminds you of them.
So white people are slightly less racist than Japanese people, who are kind of well-known for being extremely xenophobic even towards Koreans, let alone people of other races? That's a great point you've raised.
Japan's refusal to adopt or accept immigrants is going to crash their economy due to a lack of young workers in pretty short order, so yeah, it's a bad thing. What were you trying to say again?
Its so bizarre how other white people will regard white people who have self criticism to others of their race as self loathing even if they dont display conspiciously insecurity and self hate to their features, heritage, ect. I remember when it used to be a good thing to point out the cause and effect of racial dynamics to other humans but now its considered being a cuck and other bullshit inane terms people invented.
I dont even see the most pro black black people calling other black people for calling out the ills of their community, they have to display extreme self loathing and hatred to themselves for that to happen. So bizarre.
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You are completely deranged you know. My dad is a gynaecologist and I have met plenty of his colleagues, both male and female and the thought that he is less capable or "creepy" at his job than the ladies in his profession is disgusting. You are posting on a gender critical thread, this doesn't just mean hating troons, it means being critical of gender in general. I hope you are underaged, otherwise this stupidity is a show of some serious issues.
That's not what they said. They spoke negatively of things like surrogacy taking precedent over just adopting children who need a home, and of racism during adoption itself. You then decided "What about Japan" was a smart argument, as if Japan is the same as the west socially/culturally, that nobody ever criticizes Japan, or that the world should aspire to take on all of Japan's habits (including the downsides, like population collapse). All of these things are false. The rest of your post is essentially>Japan is totally an extension of the west, they even act like it! Just believe me, btw they have also killed people. Also this graph I haven't bothered to source or explain the factors of!
I don't think you're even knowledgeable enough to have this conversation, to be honest. You just jumped at the mention of "white" and now you're all over the place. Not even you know what you're really saying.
They have the right to be with the rabid and evilness white americans display on a daily basis, as well as other non black immigrants
black americans being racist is a myth and just said so people can feel better about their sins, many black americans LOVE non black people and wish for them to infilirate their entertainment industry and social circles and worship the ground they live on. Meanwhile for white americans they are either the extremely liberal type only really comfortable with asian immigrants, maybe hispanics, vaguely uncomfortable with blacks, or the super racialist or vaguely racialist proud over their race and anti immigration and critical of non white culture. This isnt 2002 anymore.
Many women don't want male gynecologists because men have proven to be creepy, as a result of gender socialization. Ignoring the problem and pretending it doesn't happen just because we know the cause helps literally no one except perverts.
Acknowledge that it's a result of gender, work to resolve the issue, and then
maybe we'll be more open to male gynos. Again, ignoring it does nothing to resolve the issue.
I have heard way too many personal stories from other women of male gynecologists disrespecting patients' privacy, making perverted, inappropriate comments, making "deals" on who gets to work on which patient amongst themselves, and other abhorrent behaviors. It's just not worth it when female gynos exist, sorry.
Imagine thinking LSA, thecoli, or Black twitter are representative of the black population in the US. Most of the people on those sites are reactionaries, half of them are trolls, meanwhile 4chan and reddit and other shit holes on the internet actually reflect on the wa community irl. I have never met a black person irl or online who have LSA, thecoli, black twitter tier views in personal conversation unless if they were actually from those websites.
Thats the thing with you people, you always want to talk about how other groups act and try to read into their mind when you dont know your ass from your foot. Get off your high horse.
I agree with you anon, thank you for this post.>>450983
Also a serious issue, circumcision has been linked to several mental conditions and especially autism. >>450989>>451006>>451012>>451076
You are extremely wrong and ignorant. In the real world and not your feminist theories, genital mutilation of children is unnaceptable and any more discourse is useful for theoretical purposes and practical ones. In practice, the issue of mutilation of any kind, including genital one in children should be abolished by law on the grounds of the human right of bodily autonomy and that's that. The only reason I do not go on and move into personal attacks is because I am not into getting banned. All I am going to say is that you sicken me with your sociopathy and inability to empathize.
Both ignorant but >>451203
almost had it right.>I honestly think it's fucked up to cut ANY healthy parts off of a child regardless of gender.
This is where you should have stopped to have a coherent argument outside of a theoretical debate. Of course they are fucking different on intent, effect and a ton of other things. When it has to do with the real world though, this is irrelevant. All it matters in the discourse of the real world and the legality of the issue is the human right of bodily autonomy, in which both are mutilation of children for religious or cultural reasons, which should be fucking abolished. So you might want to look into a mirror before starting throwing around accusations.
Address what? Your inability to understand that people care more for people they share blood with? Your jealousy towards people who can afford fertility treatments? Your lack of understanding that a lot of people have a biological urge to procreate?>Humans have a responsibility to other humans. We are not divided by our race, as much as you seem to think that we are. Educating and elevating the condition of all humans is crucial to the future survival of humanity.
Is this your Miss World speach? You should add something about World Peace and ending poverty. I've never seen such pretentious and empty spiel. Hilarious that you would call anything, or anyone inane before shitting out that drivel.>>452190
Its none of your business what reasons someone chooses to not adopt. So what if a family decide to decides they're only going to adopt a child of the same race as them. They aren't stopping other races from doing the same. The constant attempts at thought policing by people getting high off huffing their own farts, is infuriating. Humans are tribal. We always have been and always will be. >This is another thing nobody said
Its what you're arguing for. >>452195
We've heard your spiel a thousand times before. We're bored of it. You see yourself as some sort of Jesus figure. We get it.>>452205
This level of delusion is unreal.
You sound like a scrot. Are you seriously suggesting that circumcision might cause autism?
Circumcision and FGM are both wrong and should be illegal, but FGM is a thousand times worse. I stand by those statements. Go cry in a pillow if it bothers you that much.
You can pretend and lie to yourself that what im saying is delusion to make yourself feel better about the reality of the world but its not changing anything. Does it offend you that most regular people see your kind as sociopathic and lacking regular functions a human being should have?
You also sound very angry and your words are predictable. Its so cute how you people are always the biggest NPCs.
I am not both of these posts, only the second. I never said it's not worse, I said the fact that it is worse is IRRELEVANT because abolishing one is abolishing the other in any civilized Country. They fuck with the same Human Right, bodily autonomy, the fact that one does so worse is, guess what, irrelevant in the discourse for changing it, only in the discourse examining it. I said NOTHING that contradicts that FGM is worse, I criticized the stance that a lot of anons have that they are separate issues, because they simply aren't. They are the same issue in different degree, legally speaking, which is the important thing to get it outlawed. Also, what kind of Western country even allows FGM?
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>You're just jealous! [in this case, we are all just jealous that we "can't afford fertility treatments"]
This is the #1 scrote argument. With the insane lack of critical thinking, emotional immaturity, apparent anger and /pol/-tard shit ("muh tribalism"), I think we can all guess what's going on now.
Don't feed it.
The focus on ir babies and exotic babies proves to me something its not as bad as they say it is
I agree Americans as a collective are fucking retarded and racist though
Cute anecdotal evidence anon, I have heard the exact opposite. >>452201
I don't care what Americans say, pepe is cute.
How is it projection or insecurity when tons of women have had horrible experiences with male gynos specifically
, not just gynos in general?
Stop gaslighting, and start solving the problem of male gynos abusing their power and generally being shitty instead of yelling at people for noticing it and acting accordingly.
You're either retarded, or trolling by pretending to be.>>452230>uwu sis, us girls are too soft and pure to not see the World through sparkly rose lenses>>452234>Anybody who doesn't go along with my moral busy bodying is a /pol/-tard scrote
Simple minds. Simple solutions.
if you care more about people of your own race, you are an ethnonationalist and a racist. that's literally the definition. if you want to proudly call yourself a racist, you can go ahead, but you don't want to do that. You want to say "I'm not a racist, but…"
just because you can't empathize with other races doesn't mean the rest of us can't. Talking about spiels - "Humanity will always be tribal" is pretty fucking spiely, plus it means you don't have to do anything different or think about the way you live & act & feel. How convenient for you.
Who's fighting? The fact that many women see what goes on with their own two eyes and prefer to go to female gynos because of it (who make up 85% of the profession in the US alone, anyway) is an attack, somehow? Seethe. The fact that you think women preferring a certain kind of doctor is the same as men thinking all women should be treated as cattle just shows how delusional you are.
The anon who mentioned that this has nothing to do with GC is right, so I'll just drop it here. You can keep throwing a tantrum about it if you want, maybe cry to your dad about it, but no one here cares.
No, it started with racial sperging about white women who use IVF and acting as if they don't transracially adopt, as if that has anything to do with this thread in general or that IVF is some white woman exclusive thing. Even insulting women using it talking about their 'menopausal bodies' when IVF is not necessarily restricted to women who are nearing menopause by any means. How feminist!
Then it proceeded to even escalate into one person comparing those who use IVF to troons. I mean really, this thread says uterine or womb transplants are sacred in relation to troons trying to get their hands on them, but then you shit on women who use IVF and call them selfish and using others as brood mares? Really?
I pointed out that Asians are in some ways even worse than whites in this regard in not shouldering the responsibility 'for the world' people are talking about by not adopting, not even mono-racially (regardless of whether it's Japan or the US). In fact Asian-Americans proportionately do IVF more too.
Then you gave a bunch of spergy bullshit about how they don't adopt because its diffurrunt for cultural reasons (yeah you can use that logic with virtually anything) and then suggested its okay because Japanese people don't even want their own kids (as if… that doesn't apply to white people or Arabs or anyone else with declining birthrates too…?). You've just constantly evaded my arguments using a shitty form of relativism and then tried to paint me as some type of retard or racist.
Same. I was considering responding to that last "What about Japan and just the Asians
" spergpost or the "reee humans are tribal and your just jealous of IVF" anon because I hate nonsense, but I think I'll just pop out of this thread and come back when it's gotten back on topic.
Too many scrotes online right now.
Gay men using women's bodies for surrogacy, rather than adopting, is relevant to the thread but it kind of got away from me so I'll stop. >>452268
Choosing IVF and surrogacy over adoption increases the burden on developing countries' support systems which leads to more people growing up in poverty, and slows modernization of health care systems, which disproportionately affects women. Not to mention the girls left to grow up in orphanages where they're at risk of trafficking and abuse. Just because other people or countries don't adopt doesn't mean you shouldn't. When you choose to have your own kid instead of adopting, you are literally saying "I condemn a woman to grow up in poverty because I value my genes more than their life." It's not something anyone wants to hear, and it doesn't mean you're a bad person if you have/had your own kid, it's just another selfish act (albeit a big one) out of many which we all do every day. That doesn't mean it's right.
I swear I'm done with the subject now.
This is an image board. If you want a PC safe space there's plenty of other options out there.>>452286
Are you yourself planning to adopt?
To be clear, because I feel like you will misread this, I mean that I am being selfish by not adopting even though I don't plan to have kids of my own.
done now I promise
I 100% agree with you (that child abuse survivors deserve and need loving, good homes), but you have to be really careful when adopting if you can't afford THE best of THE best. So many horror stories of adoption agencies covering up past histories of abuse/histories of abusive
behavior to new families, then when they bring the child home, that child goes on and abuses other kids in the home/at school. It's especially bad with foreign adoption, with Russia and China being especially shady about the kids' past histories to expedite the adoption process. A couple is currently suing a chinese adoption agency because they weren't told the boy they adopted was being prostituted and sexually abused since a young age (also the kid was 15/16 and they were told he was 12), the trauma of which led him to rape and abuse the younger boys in the home. the reality is adoption is a horrible mixed bag, I wish these kids could find the help and homes they deserve, but I also completely understand why people are put off by it.
Likewise, so many people are lax about bringing in strange adults around their kids and expect these people to immediately assume step parent mode. Or don't properly acclimate their kids to the new person because they're too self centered.
neither of the "tropes" of evil step-parent or batshit adopted child were borne from simple bloodline obsessions…
If that's YOUR definition of racist then it does apply to me, but I find it impossible to care about such a toothless smear attempt. There is nothing wrong with in-group bias which is exactly why you don't use that term. Its a self explanatory term with a solid unchanging definition for a natural instinct which is present from birth. Instead you use the fluid ever changing "racist" because it can mean anything from wanting to have your own children, to wanting wipe out anybody whose hair is a different colour. People like you have made it meaningless, and that's the last I'll say on the matter.
How about those creepy predators mutilating themselves so they can get away with being creepy and predatory eh?
yeah adoption can be a mixed bag, but your own genetic child can also turn out to be an abusive
sociopath. it's just that people don't ever think that their own kid could turn out weird. So yeah, it is kind of that people think their genes are better.
It happens all the time that an older sibling abuses a younger sibling, so why is it relevant that he was adopted, other than to provide a neat explanation? Pretty much the same kind of argument as "illegal immigrant crimes" tbh.
Still funny how all the "horror stories" you usually hear are about russia and china, because white people are always trying to adopt white or asian kids no matter how sketchy the agency. >>452313
so you're arguing we should just accept our in-group bias and not think about it? We should just give in to whatever instincts feel right? Ok. So I guess
troons should just do whatever their instincts tell them feels good?
No, of course they shouldn't because it's predatory and harmful to women. People can have instincts & biases and those gut feelings can have negative consequences. The existence of bias doesn't mean that the bias is right or correct or valuable, and I really can't believe that's the line of argument you went with. You still aren't really making any kind of point, but thanks for admitting you're a racist.
that's three strikes for me on staying on topic so I'm closing this thread
Moralfagging and PC is not the same thing. Why is that idiots like you conflate the two?
Also keep ignoring how moralfagging protected your dumbass to begin with LOL. I can tell youre a retard who was born and raised on the internet and completely detached from reality.
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Was Magdalen Berns even a radical feminist ?
If you watch her videos she always mentions feminism.
god, what is wrong with being a gnc woman/butch, why the fuck does it always have to go down the queer route? young ma has some pRoBlEmAtIc
aspects about her (the whole directing porn for pornhub like) but at least she is a normal lesbian and isn't pulling that shit, i seriously don't know any other "butch" female celebs of like current times, it's all genderqueer bs
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How can they get so close yet still be so far
Yes, femininity is toxic
too. This is a gender critical thread so I expected people to at least know something as obvious as this.
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This is you anon.
A "real feminist" wouldn't encourage women to have toxic
, self-destructive traits like submissiveness in accordance with traditional femininity. That's part of the reason why tranny shit has gotten so popular in mainstream feminism in the first place.
The outcome of rejecting feminine stereotypes and gender roles is not "acting like a man." Men do not have a monopoly on confidence and self-determination.
I wish you lowkey tradfags would gtfo out of this thread.
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The trans appropriation of intersex identity is disgusting
I never rejected the term and don't recall any other lesbian doing so either (and I live in NYC). How is homosexual a bad word? There is no confusion when you say it. As opposed to the word 'queer' which I do have a problem with and is still a slur but suddenly the cool thing to say because saying you're a lesbian, gay, or homosexual will get you label as tRaNsPhoBIc/TERF/TEHM.
The word has a history of being pathologized and considered a mental illnesshttps://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/fashion/gays-lesbians-the-term-homosexual.htmlhttps://www.glaad.org/reference/offensive
It originated as a neutral word invented by a gay man, however.
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>>452508>The word has a history of being pathologized and considered a mental illness
Because it is. >>452485
real feminist take here: Its actually about "being masculine because its the best"… sure, right, then you are the crazy one when you say you don't feel represented by dyke male clones who hate anything female.
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Jfc at the amount of delusion and self-hatred. Sure am glad we let these people into the LGB movement and profit from their activism.
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"Hey anon, i know you are straight, but you know, you can't be a real feminist unless you eat pussy, don't you know? should i lend you my book? stop being so patriarcal and shit, its all a spectrum, what even gender, so what are you doing tonight?"
>W-w-what?! you are telling ME that i am homophobic because as a lesbian i don't like trannies and i don't want tranny dick ?! REEEEEEE
This is hilarious to me, lesbians get what they deserve, lbgt people played themselves so hard with their fairytales. And for me they are all the same thing an i care about neither.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
Just Googled it.
Everything about that character absolutely screams "bait for AGP cumbrains". It'd fit right in as an OP image for a "Characters from childhood media that made you want to be a girl (but also have sex with them)" thread on /lgbt/. Gross.
If they were, there wouldn't be a rift between the two, dumbass.
Also gay people aren't all cluster-b crazies like trannies.
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>>452415>Lesbian porn, for lesbians, featuring exclusively lesbians>Assuming lesbian porn is for lesbians
The women (read: porn actors) in lesbian porn aren't lesbians, and most lesbians don't enjoy the sort of male-gaze-y crap you find on pornhub and hentai sites.
People often ask why lesbians read shounen ai. Well, here's the deal: it's written by
women, with male characters written like
women. Plus, reading it doesn't make us feel like we're being reduced to objects or stereotypes. It's almost impenetrable to straight men.
Odds are, if a straight guy can enjoy it, it's probably not for
lesbians. Women are just as sexual as men, but our outlook on sex is completely
different. We're all about context and build-up, whereas men are just dopamine junkies who need instant gratification.
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Trans rights activists get worse every day
Dildos aren't attached to mentally ill, narcissistic males. Plus they can vibrate. There's your answer.
We've seen time and time again that trannies are emotional vampires who make everything about themselves and have no regard for their partner's feelings. As the old saying goes:
"don't stick your dick in crazy.">>452568
TRAs are shooting themselves in the foot by alienating black people like this. It's delightful to watch.
I literally just said it. It's written by women, for women, with male characters written like women. Men in shoujo manga and yaoi don't act like irl men- they act like an idealized version of men.
A lot of BL and shoujo have really slow build-ups to things like kisses and sex, if sex is included at all.
Compare this to bara, which is gay manga directed at actual gay men. It's usually just porn with no plot or raunchy comedy.
Probably because they assume people who go by "bisexual" and not extra-woke "pansexual" aren't interested in them. This isn't true, but I think it's what they think.
Also, dating a monosexual person interested in the gender they're larping as is more "validating". As we all know, dating someone solely because they validate your delusions is an excellent, totally healthy choice and not at all narcissistic behavior.
Because heterosexual people have more power in society and are more numerous. Straight men in particular rejecting trannies get a lot of support and it’s why they have the excuse to kill trannies who attempt to “trick” them.
I don’t know how to feel about post-op trans people who have sex with people without revealing their trans status until after the deed. Is this not rape by deception?
I think it is in the UKhttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/trans-people-could-face-rape-charges-if-they-don-t-declare-sexual-history-warns-trans-activist-a7076546.html?amp
>“Surely a racist could complain to a judge that he felt used after realising that the woman he slept with had previously had a black partner, or the homophobe object when discovering that his girlfriend had ‘experimented’ with other women at Uni.”
God, trannies always make the shittiest comparisons.
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I consider it rape
>>452598>Gays are easier for trannies to guilt and attack because they are more vulnerable than straight people
I've noticed this problem especially with the currently LGB crowd. They're soft as fuck and will believe anything if it means not appearing pRoBleMatiC
to their buddies on social media. American society's feral obsession with being 'woke' and 'inclusive' at the same time is completely batshit.
This is the impression I got reading Trans Men on Grindr. Though many of the guys were "ignorant", most of them were trying
to be accepting and understanding, and were typically just curious.
Women and gay people are too nice for their own good, and they let these narc trannies walk all over them. People who belong to historically marginalized groups tend to give ground to other people who they think are similarly "opressed".>>452606
This is what pisses me off about fakebois who whine about how gay men act on Grindr. Men are fucking perverts regardless of their sexuality. People don't go to Grindr to find soft gay uwu picnic dates, they go to Grindr to fuck or talk about fucking. It's just as retarded to go on Tinder with the same expectation.
Same of the trannies on Trans Men on Grindr respond to messages with "I have a boyfriend" or "I'm married". What the fuck are you doing on Grindr then? It's called Grind
r Not Friend-r.
Bisexuals adore transgenderism but that love is unrequited. If you're a transbian and a self-id "lesbian" is in a relationship with you, that's so much more ~gender-affirming~ than some lowly dime a dozen bi woman.
Same reason homosexual TiMs only want straight men and hate having other homosexual/bisexual men as partners.
So, biology is 'TERF rhetoric'?
Hmm. So, I guess all biologists are TERFs, or is that only the women?
Hey, leave rats out of this. Rats are really smart and make good pets.
A broken clock is right twice a day. Trannies having good taste in pets doesn't mean they're not still nuts.
>>450712>without a particularly strong identity other than gamer and without particularly strong irl friendships
You described my brother perfectly, and i though the signs weren't there>validate their identities
He created a thread asking people to call him a girl because he "needed validation" because "mom's being shitty" (he also called her a terf because she cried when he came out) pretty desperate stuff>ruining their health
Exactly, he complains about sore nipple and think his manboob are growing when in fact they are filling with water due to the progesterone he's taking, which lead me to believe he wasn't properly informed about th risks (I love planned parenthood)>and irl relationships
use my parents like a cashpoint and is too much of a coward admit he wants me gone, ruined all his potential irl friendships and is stuck with a clique of polyamourous transbians
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I'm straight, don´t give a shit about lesbianism or trannies just the same, don't dress like a man and i'm not a commie.
I am literally Satan.(cool story bro)
do you even read shoujo? it is also a genre written by women, for women. the male characters in them are just yaoi boys who pursue weepy girls instead of weepy ukes.
sexual shoujo is just japanese bodice rippers. they're pretty much the same, just het and not gay.
From what it looks like, it's the same tradthot who started a shitstorm because they think any teen or preteen girl who gets groomed by incels is actually a slut who isn't really
a CSA victim
, that being homosexual is a kink (which fits into the hatred for lesbians), and that adult men are mentally children and shouldn't fully be held responsible for their actions. They're from Latin America.
The cringy reaction images and implication that we're all "commies" makes me feel like it's either a huge pick-me/handmaiden who has yet to grow out of /r9k/ brainwashing, or some self-hating tranny who thinks he has a place on a women's board, while simultaneously resenting all women and girls.
I recognize their posts every time, because not only are they very clearly ESL, they used to very liberally use "´" instead of apostrophes. They've more or less fixed this, but sometimes they still screw up (like in >>452767
, notice the "´" in "don´t give a shit about lesbianism"). In any case, you can recognize them by their disjointed typing style and the same nonsensical opinions, every time.
They typically stop posting when called out, or (poorly) try to deny it and then disappear after maybe two more posts.
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This is an old news story, but I'm not going to be surprised if these incidences start to increase as TiMs are given more access to women's spaces.>"I'm not a pervert or anything, I just wanted to know what it feels like to be a real girl uwu"
Still wanna donate your bodies to science???
Could we fucking stop with the "evil bisluts lusting after troons reeee" narrative? I get that bisexuals are probably the only people to feel attraction towards trannies but most of them want their lovers with intact genitals and without severe mental health issues. >>452865
This happens EVERYWHERE now and it's fucking bizarre. Like any niche community possible, someone suddenly starts screeching about killing all TERFs. To make matters even more bonkers it even happens in groups known for politically incorrect humor (including homophobia, sexism, racism etc). Like they could be making fun of women and minorities one second and then suddenly start freaking out over how trans people are suffering and it's not cool to invalidate their identity. It just proves that it's a privileged white male thing.
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NTA but like she said:>Plus, reading it doesn't make us feel like we're being reduced to objects or stereotypes. It's almost impenetrable to straight men.
I only like shoujo that's about two girls sharing experiences either romantically or in a platonic way because the heterosexual relationships (at least in my opinion) in shoujo are often really, honestly awful. Either straight out abusive
or boring wish fulfillment with minimal substance or conflict that would give it more depth. >>452567>Odds are, if a straight guy can enjoy it, it's probably not for lesbians.
Very much this. I probably wouldn't like boys' love manga as much as I do if the author wasn't a woman and if the community wasn't 99% female. It's a genre that doesn't talk down to women and lets them experience romantic stories without having to deal with stupid female love tropes and men HATE it. Which is a big reason as to why a lot of girls feel comfortable reading it. They know it's something men can't take away from them.
Related to the subject, I saw this making rounds the other day and it (and the replies to it) made me want to choke myself. Allow me to decipher: >Could the self-hating women larping as men stop using "woman" as an insult when disagreeing with other self-hating women larping as men??? Calling someone a woman is the worst insult of them all!!!
These "gay trans men" are often fakebois carrying a fucking aircraft carrier level weight of internalized misogyny/homophobia (as a lot of them are bi/lesbian in denial) and they're on a holy crusade to stop "cis women fetishizing M/M relationships". So they're calling everyone they don't like "fujoshis", a Japanese word which translates to "rotten woman", a term that started as a slur thrown around by men and reclaimed as a title by women with an interest in this genre. But being the troglodytes they are, they're using it as an insult to refer to someone they see as one of these "cis women fetishizing M/M relationships", completely misappropriating the term. Ergo, it's "misgendering" to them but to anyone with at least one foot grounded in reality, it's simply using "woman" as an insult.
In the replies to this tweet someone actually got a goddamn clue and said >we really need to talk about misogyny in trans mascs
And only got the reply that completely dismisses the issue>Or just like, trans mascs gleefully revoking each other’s “man card” whenever they get in a fight
Imagine hating being female this much. I want off this demented hellride before it hits the wall or the cars go flying off the rails.
Who even calls trannys "best of both worlds"?
I've seen a similar post by a tranny saying how it's transphobic to call them a trap (nobody did btw), literally nobody calls trannys traps because 99% of the time they look like the gender they were born as, the only people calling trannys traps are trannys themselves.
>>452513>then you are the crazy one when you say you don't feel represented by dyke male clones
I prefer those "dykes" over some femenine princesses who will let trannies walk over us and ruin everything (which already happened). There's a reason why males choosed masculinity and gave us feminity, feminity is most of the time objetively useless as a personality trait and anon is right. Also>Feminist women>Hating everything female
The grand irony of that screencap is that arguing about anime yaoi ships, getting catty over them and making passive-aggressive "Twitter PSAs" about the whole thing is such a stereotypically "feminine" thing to do.
A scrote would never type out any of that shit, not even the effeminate gay "yas queen" types on the platform.
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Saw this on my YT feed.
More and more, this Yaniv shit and the idiots still defending him are making people who otherwise supported TRA talking points smell the bullshit and notice the insanity. It's great.
Troons absolutely do not give a single fuck about any of this stuff at all. The fact Blaire White is the only one doing so tells you all you need to know.
I knew this to be the case when I saw them widely reblog some thing to get some white troon out of prison who raped his infant son on video camera and molested a bunch of girls. Apparently some troons on somethingawful wanted to send him cards and flowers too, but I didn't see that myself. Their excuse on tumblr was 'it's different when a vulnerable mentally ill trans girl does it, who is also at the mercy of transphobia in prison'. They and Jezebel also did this with Synthia China Blast who rolled up a dead little black girl into a carpet and set fire to it, among other possibilities (Laverne specifically defended him)https://jezebel.com/i-am-isolated-in-a-cell-23-to-24-hours-a-day-an-interv-1740119213
When I saw Kat Blaque spin the Yaniv situation into yet another excuse for narcissism and deflection it didn't shock me one iota
Tradthot-chan loves to keep repeating the same autistic statements all over the board no matter how many times they get told how dumb it all is kek.
There are resources in this very thread with actual information on how TRA became so influential and it isn't because of gay people, lesbians the least so.
Christ. I didn't know all this. As if I couldn't hit peak trans any harder, now I know these people can literally rape and kill and get away with it because "poor trans-women are oppressed you cis privileged terf cunts".
How can they be so obsessed with being women, but also hate us so much?
>>452940>I’m home now. I’m 18 years old. About four and a half months later my boyfriend beeps me. I call and I’m ordered to report to 971 Westchester Avenue. I know that apartment. A Latin Queen lives there. When I get to the apartment (4A) there’s blood everywhere. I help clean up a crime scene and I help get rid of a box. What and/or who is inside I don’t know, and to be honest. at that very moment in time, I didn’t care. Those are my friends. They are my protectors. They needed my help.>No [forensic] evidence. No murder weapon. No fingerprints. No eyewitnesses [to the crime]. No human connection other than being called to this house and now three years later I’m convicted of killing this child. This girl I never even saw alive. I never heard her voice. Never seen her eyes shine with life. I am guilty for not being a SNITCH! See, if I SNITCHED I would be home.
Lmao…This man wants us to feel bad for him and believe he didn't kill and rape this little girl. And he also wants us to respect and feel bad for him for not naming the person who did
do it, after admitting to helping to cover up her death.
Disgusting piece of garbage.>Cathy Brennan is not a feminist. I am a feminist. I am against women being harmed. I am against women being raped. I am against men degrading women or using them as sexual objects. Cathy Brennan gives all real feminists a bad name.
This is the worst fucking part. Holy shit.
I hate TRAs. I hate libfems. I hate Jezebel. I hate that there are people in society willing to defend these kinds of monsters.
Alsohttps://womenarehuman.com/vicious-child-rapist-murderer-demands-sex-change-freedom-synthia-china-blast/>Amused, Blast and co-defendant Franco laughed, smirked and grinned in court throughout the trial, upsetting the victim’s mother.>"I met my friend, lover and infamous husband…the NYC Zodiac Serial Killer. My sweet serial killer is a lady’s man now. Only if I was [sic] a real woman I could bring about little future serial killers to terrorize NYC like my husband did. How [New Yorkers] would of [sic] loathed the Zodiac Children."
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>>452883>I probably wouldn't like boys' love manga as much as I do if the author wasn't a woman and if the community wasn't 99% female.>It's a genre that doesn't talk down to women and lets them experience romantic stories without having to deal with stupid female love tropes and men HATE it. Which is a big reason as to why a lot of girls feel comfortable reading it.
Could be good without the fujo sperging. I and many other women have been harassed for not liking yaoi by a supposedly "woman-friendly" community. Just say you like gay erotica and go, this shit about a women's porn community is so cringe to read.
Either way, OP is fucking stupid. Misogyny is rampant among TiFs, and more often than not these same people that go out and scream into the void about how much they hate fetishizers act just as annoying as them. TiMs complaining about lesbian fetishization, TiFs about fujoshis, etc. They're all the same to me. You're running a damn gendered minstrel show, I'm not obligated to take you seriously. They look fucking stupid, considering the behavior of the fetishizers they criticize are often the same things they do. But you're not allowed to say it, oh no. Porn is part of their identity, Porn is how they discovered themselves, and that's valid
you fucking bigot. Even if they're annoying about it and rub their fetish in your face every 5 seconds. Don't call them fetishizers.
Have some cotton ceiling.
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Kek reminds me of this
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This came up on my tf and I just-
I know that ftms/non binarys nuts have that rep of wanting to be cute twink animu boiz but seeing it out there in the open is so bizarre.
It's honestly sad since the artist just looks like a short, run-of-the-mill lesbian but describes themselves as a "mid-transition trans masc non-binary".
This really depends on the fujoshi I think. You could totally make the case that straight fujos have internalized misogyny. But I genuinely believe that lesbian fujos just enjoy BL because it's written with female sensibilities.
It's tricky to make blanket statements about a group of people whose only common quality is the genre of manga they read.
Why are we brow-beating other women for their harmless sexual interests? It's not like real people are being exploited in yaoi the way they are in IRL lesbian porn. It honestly just sounds like a lot of anti-fujos here are just parroting the crap dudebros online have been saying since the 90s.
How about we save our moral outrage for things that actually have a significant negative impact on real people? Unless someone is trooning out because of BL, it's a non-issue.
Why don't these troons just want to look like opposite sex versions of themselves? Seems like they always want to literally
become the anime character they wank to.
I honestly think that autism and/or NPD has caused these people to confuse attraction with aspiration/envy. An autistic teenage girl wanting to be her husbando Link is pretty damn similar to a TiM skinwalking his high school crush.
Also, what kind of retarded snowflakey name is "Lake"? Did she literally just pick it because it sounds like Link? Why can't these people pick normal names like Brandon or Kyle?
no. agp involves an erotic target location error. women self objectifying because of their conditioning is not the same. they don't experience that target location error. troons have no real interest in the other person, just in their role, that's why it's so easy for them to go gay, bc the affirmation turns them on, not the other person. being aroused because you're dressed up in the anticipation of sex, in associating it with having sex, foreplay, with a person you're attracted to, and the person you're attracted to making love to you and pleasing them, is different. they're still the primary focus IF women are typically turned on by getting dressed up, not your explicit role as a sexy blonde submissive dicktaker. that's not the same thing.
It’s me and I think (one?) other anon discussing post-Blanchardian ideas. >>453077
Yeah that’s what Lawrence believes.
Yeah no, OP anon outright said she enjoys girls comics that portray relationships female characters have but go off I guess. I don't get why any time someone brings up the BL community someone has to have a spergfit over how ~they~ as a woman hate BL, ~all~ fujos are fakeboi trannies and hate everything female despite a lot of them being lesbian/bi, hardcore feminists and often just as interested in woman/woman relationships in media. Just ignore the posts if your only experience is with the 15 year old My Hero Academia/Voltron fandom or cringe compilations.
Somewhat ironically, the (often male-driven) "fujos are disgusting fetishizers who hate their gender" discourse is exactly WHY so many girls started trooning out, they want to be ~Real Gay Men~ so they don't have to be judged for enjoying something that's so harmless. I've seen a lot of anonymous people saying they started presenting as a transman to avoid being called out, imagine seeing the "if you're a woman who likes gay fiction, you're an awful human being" narrative thrown at your face every day. If you're impressionable enough, you'd probably get the "But I'm not bad, I actually respect gay relationships, maybe I'm a man after all" idea at some point. Just look at how the fucks in OP post are using the word "woman" as an insult, they're terrified of being seen as one of these "disgusting fetishizers" so they just push their trans jig further.
Yeah they sure do hate being a woman, but unlike AGPs I doubt they actually hate women
. No matter how you look at it, being a woman is actual hell so why wouldn't they? Everything you do is shamed and policed, any undeserved feature you have is attributed to your gender. It's like someone who's disabled, they hate being that way but don't hate other people for being disabled because they know it's not their fault. I'm sorry for going off the rails about this but I just feel it's important to understand what sort of place these girls are coming from instead of just condensing it into a simplified "they hate women so I hate them" take. It's a lot more complex than that and in the end does more damage than good like I already explained.
are you retarded?
you know testosterone affects the body in an entirely different way than estrogen; e.g. you can add masculine features permanently but not reduce them, which is why troon athletes have an advantage against women even though they've got """"female hormones""""
Samefagging here but I am so sick of troons acting like people not fucking them is peak oppression. Sex is NOT a right so it’s why I hate how people think the disabled deserve “sex rights” where the government pays for prostitutes to fuck them.
I think they call a lot of people “transphobic” now because they just want to pressure them into sex. If they are so desperate they could just sleep with each other?