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No. 408612

This thread is for the discussion of transgenderism / trans ideology from a gender critical and radical feminist perspective. It was originally created by Admin as an amalgamation of the TERF and Transgender threads.

Gender critical and radical feminism define gender as sociological (feminine/masculine) and sex as biological (female/male). Woman is defined as an adult human female. Radical feminists seek to abolish gender as it is used by patriarchy to oppress women socially, reproductively, and financially. They strive to preserve women's spaces (such as restrooms, locker rooms, and health care providers) and areas of artistic and intellectual expression separate from men.

Trans ideology posits that one's gender is self-determined based on one's feelings and defines woman as the characteristics and behaviors traditionally ascribed to females by society. Increasingly, transactivists are conflating gender and sex and asserting that a person can self-identify both gender and sex.

Gender critical feminists strive to maintain the distinction between gender and sex. The conflation of gender and sex erases the biological reality of women, eliminates women-only spaces, and disestablishes women as a protected class. Existing laws and legislation currently being passed around the world allowing for self-identification on legal documents do not differentiate between gender and sex.

The acronym TERF (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminism) is used primarily by transactivists and their allies to denigrate radical feminists and other women who express gender critical ideas. Transactivists portray TERFs as violent oppressors by virtue of their ideas alone.

Posts of related news and web articles are welcome. Posts of photos, videos, and blogs of transactivists for the purposes of discussion and critique are welcome. Please refrain from derailing, infighting, and ad hominem attacks. This thread is not intended for the general discussion of feminism, sexuality, misogyny, or misandry.

Radical Feminism thread >>>/ot/373459

https://www.fairplayforwomen.com | https://twitter.com/fairplaywomen
http://www.feministcurrent.com | https://twitter.com/feministcurrent
http://www.gendercriticalactioncenter.org | https://twitter.com/gendercritical_
http://www.gettheloutuk.com | https://getthelout.wordpress.com/blog/
https://resistersunited.org | https://twitter.com/resistersu
https://www.womansplaceuk.org | https://twitter.com/womans_place_uk
http://www.4thwavefeminists.com (404)

Blogs, Writers
https://gendertrender.wordpress.com (suspended) | https://www.gendertrending.com
https://lilymaynard.wordpress.com (suspended) | http://www.lilymaynard.com

Inauthentic Selves: The modern LGBTQ+ Movement Is Run By Philanthropic Astroturf And Based On Junk Science



Documenting violent crimes committed by transgender individuals
This Never Happens

Parents and clinicians concerned about transgender youth
https://www.4thwavenow.com | https://twitter.com/4th_WaveNow
https://www.transgendertrend.com | https://twitter.com/transgendertrd

YouTube Channels
Venice Allan
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdOAL2_mpBKEW4YO4YAPNIA/featured | http://wwwdrradfem.org
Elly Arrow
Magdalen Berns
Cathy Brennan / Ally Missandry
Dr. RadFem
KORADFEM Radical feminism in Korea
Tanith Lloyd
Julia Long
Meghan Murphy
Pique Resilience Project
Posie Parker
A Woman's Place

Agitprop, Art, Comics, Memes
Feminist Heretic
Nina Paley / Mimi and Eunice
Red Katherinee
Sandy Draws Badly
The Snowflake Books
The Untameable Shrews
Woman Adult Human Female

Previous threads
"TERF" thread >>>/g/67378
"Transpassing" thread >>>/ot/214811
"Trans women" thread >>>/ot/203215
"Crazy trans lesbians?" thread >>>/ot/116018
"I hate the way this website treats Trans* issues" thread >>>/ot/113748

No. 408613

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No. 408615

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No. 408636

i know this will never happen but i wish dating apps had a "no trans" option. ofc these guys would continue to mark themselves as female instead of trans but i'm sick of looking for women, seeing so many ugly agps, and trying to weed out which of the slightly more passing ones might be actual women.

i refuse to date anyone with a penis due to trauma. i shouldn't be forced to look through this mess.

No. 408673

I am pretty sure I peak trans'ed last night. A guy with obvious mental issues on a Discord server I'm on recently declared himself female–and this was after an ftm and mtf talked to her during one of her bouts of depression. Now she keeps posting r/egg_irl memes and its so annoying. It's just a constant stream of "i want to be a cute uwu girl" and stuff. She's whining that her parents are making her wait for hormones and I couldn't be happier. I feel like she just wants to escape that boring male life to become something from an anime. Including bullshit stuff about swishing skirts and dressing up in a way that's definitely not fetishistic.

There arent a lot of openly cis women on this server and ~transphobia~ is an issue so I've only been able to voice and crystallize my concerns to another online friend who helped me understand what I've been thinking.

No. 408675

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This is Kendrick Castillo hr died in a brave, selfless act, to spare the lives of his classmates.
He should be remembered rather then those 2 retards


No. 408679

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i hate this shit so much. let us females be angry about something without bringing your fakeboy bullshit into it. no one is fucking talking about you, we're talking about ACTUAL MEN WHO HAVE BEEN MEN SINCE BIRTH WITH MALE REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS.

No. 408689

non amerifags, what is the gender critical movement like in your country? especially curious about western europe & scandinavia.

is there a decent amount of gender critical resources online in your language?

No. 408691

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Meanwhile the person who wrote that isn’t even a TIF. The name “May” and username tipped me off so I checked. It’s a man, a “non-binary trans femme.” Another male silencing women speaking on male oppression of females. Oh, and he loves anime lesbians. His other tweets include saying that trans women are the first to be disproportionately harmed by lack of bodily autonomy—yeah, not females denied abortions.

No. 408698

Super talented transgurls, hormones change biology uwu
Idek how this is really happening

No. 408699

Latina here, as a radfem itself we are pretty small but most of the population is uuh "transphobic"? i mean idk how to put it but you do get beaten up and even killed for being trans, kinda wish they could exist in peace but not get to american-ish about it, like cool your mentally ill, now dont police women and we're ok

No. 408706

I feel especially bad for high school athletes because of how important sports can be for college. Good performances in your sport can be the difference between getting a full ride to a good school or being shit out of luck and having to pay thousands of dollars for college. But the feelings of men are always the most important thing! These troons are sooo brave for doing the bare minimum to get cheap easy wins over girls who don't stand a chance against male biology.

I'm really concerned about TiMs in contact sports. Sorry to blogpost but I play beer league ice hockey, there's no hitting/checking since it's coed and just casual games for fun, and it's fucking insane seeing the huge difference between men and women. Even short, schlubby guys who aren't super fit have an obvious advantage and could easily destroy me if they wanted to. The biggest thing isn't just the strength difference, but also the fact that men are naturally more aggressive and risk seeking. Whereas the female players tend to be more cautious and nimble, the men will crash through like a bull in a china shop without any spatial awareness. Any big spills or accidental contact that I've seen during a game has always been caused by a male player being too reckless.
Checking actually isn't allowed at any level in competitive women's hockey, but do you really think an aggressive, competitive male would play nice and not cause any trouble? Stupid athletes in almost every sport will always take cheap shots at each other in the heat of the game, no matter how strict the rules are. But normally those players are roughly equal size and strength. What happens when it's a male vs a female?

This shit really pisses me off. But I hope it helps more people hit peak trans.

No. 408715

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Is there a snarky term for lesbians like the author of this article who betray what it means to be a lesbian and participate in their own erasure?

I was looking into the history of the slogan "The Future is Female" when this article popped up.

Can Lesbian Identity Survive the Gender Revolution?

My expectations of a gender critical affirmative read, based on the title, were thrown into doubt when I saw that it was posted on Buzzfeed. Sure enough, after presenting some worthwhile historical info it devolved into twisted logic rationalizing trans inclusion, screeching about TERFs, and insulting Alix Dobkin and the original message [pic related].

Hell, maybe even the tides will turn and lesbians could start seeming cool. But the word “lesbian” has carried such a deeply uncool connotation for so long — sometimes for terrible reasons (ugly, old-fashioned, essentialist stereotypes) and sometimes for extremely legitimate ones (a history of transmisogyny) — that’s it’s worth considering if making the term cool is something we should really want at all.

Could the "cis privilege" guilt be any thicker?

Of course, there’s nothing more inherently radical about lesbianism than any other queer identity, especially since it has some deeply oppressive roots.

An historically marginalized sexual orientation? Oppressive? Do you hear yourself?

Maybe the future really can be female. It all depends on how we choose to define it.

What a traitorous trash fire of an article.



>bring back lesbian dating apps

Bring back lesbian spaces, period. The article cited the loss of lesbian spaces as a threat to lesbian cultural identity. But instead of recreating these spaces, becoming more inclusive is what the lesbian community needs!

No. 408721

Gender critical movement in Spain is non existing, suddenly all people are now pro-queer gender theory and can't tolerate feminist spaces that talks about women issues related to our genitals because it's "transphobia"!! And if you say terms like FtM/MtF or TiM/TiF you aren't a feminist according to them. They will attack you in social media if you don't agree their queer theory to the 100% instead of trying to understand what are "terfs" claiming for us women, so that's basically why there's no gender critical movement here

Their whiny actitude is what's sickening me, I don't care that much for other people identities if they're happy that way and respect other people's spaces

No. 408733

it's a shame poland is a shithole country

No. 408734

Someone told this person that if you can get pregnant and have a child you're biologically a woman and the very intelligent response was
>shut up

In theast thread plenty of anons expressed how the loudest pro tras are often quietly radical and gc but fear being harassed. I see that so much it hurts. Online everyone has to be extreme sjw pro trans everything but irl, people are quite gc and don't subscribe to most of the talking points tras bring up

No. 408737

(deleted my reply but i'm the same anon who posted about poland and i was kinda scared because i'm first time poster but long time lurker)
it's shame that our hospitals are underfunded, most people have lower living standard and i don't have equal rights both as woman an a lesbian but i don't have to worry about TRAs calling me a terf because i won't suck a totally femine dick

also i did some quick research on polish feminist sites and some of them endorse troons but not as in the west, they still put females over that bullshit. but i'm glad that catholic right and church bash that shit and troons are only sought after by tranny chasers

No. 408738


Episode of forensic files where a troon and a chaser kill his ex wife.

No. 408747

This is random maybe but yesterday I suddenly realized that I've never seen Drag Kings be (overtly) sexual (not that you see a lot about them in popculture anyway). But Drag Queens and their culture is really sexualized…
So weird! /s

No. 408750

I kind of hate that there banner is Revolutionary Girl Utena….

No. 408753

It’s because of the way men view women vs women view men

women view men as humans and channel masculinity in a way that is appealing but powerful without revealing too much and maintaining the idea that they are real people

men (especially gay men) view women as hysterical catty sex objects that have no purpose but to be sexy and churn out babies

it’s literally women embodying masculine humanity vs men reducing women to objects

No. 408776

I'm from Ireland. The only other gc feminists I know are people who post on social media anonymously from burner accounts. There's no organised movement here.
I posted about this in the last thread but the feminist movement here is extremely libfem. there is a lot of overcompensation in an effort to be the wokest of them all, because we were rather conservative by anglosphere and western european standards until recently.

No. 408784

from r/GC by John Mulaney
>“I have lots of drag queens around and I like to study them—and I mean, more of your high-end type of drag queens, not like your tenderloin drag queens. Who, I'm sorry, aren't even fucking trying. Like a lot of them just have a mop on their head and a skirt and are like, "I'm a gal!" You're not a gal. You're not a gal.
>Really fancy drag queens are funny though, 'cause like a lot of drag queens, it's like they're under the impression that they're like, a celebrity. It's like they all have this attitude of like, "Don't you know who I am? I'm Strawberry Alarm Clock." It's like, "No, I'm sorry. I didn't recognize you. It's just I don't hang out in the one bar where you get free drinks."
>I wanna say this though, I think it's fine if someone wants to be a drag queen, that's great, if you wanna like, express your inner woman. But why, with so many drag queens, is it always the same type of woman? Like, why is it always like, a big and brassy woman? With like, a beehive hairdo and alligator skin shoes? It's like, what is your notion of a woman based on? A housewife in a Far Side cartoon? Why is that what you think femininity is?
>And then, some of these drag queens, they'll go out on the street, and they'll bully me. They will. They'll be like, "Oh-hoh, look at him and his little shirt." It's like, why are you mean? Why is that part of it for you? And it's not little, it's a medium. Small is little. You went through all the trouble to put on a nice dress, and now you're gonna be rude and bossy to people? It's like, do you know what your version of a lady is a lot like? A guy. You could've stayed a guy if you were gonna be an asshole about it.”

No. 408788

I just saw a troon I know using the male filter on Snapchat being in extreme denial of himself still being male. He was going off about men's rights and gamer's rights in 40 seconds of Snapchat footage. He looked no different with the filter on.

No. 408794

I have yet to see someone trans speak about or even mention Kendrick and not focus on the how the shooter is trans themselves. Can't they just get their head out of their butts for one second and recognize that he lost his life through a selfless act.

My condolences for the Castillo family as they are going through their loss…

No. 408795

How would you feel If someone you loved died in a brave act protecting innocent people
yes you would obviously be devastated but also proud in some way

No. 408817

Recently was thinking that abolishing the gender binary destroys a lot of ambiguity inherent in the sexes and gives people harmful labels that stereotypes themselves and makes people see others as stereotypes.By making every deviation its own gender, plain old male and female is left with nothing but complete heteronormativity. You're an androgynous, feminine man? Well maybe you're a demigirl instead of a real male man, because some aspects of your personality don't fit the male stereotype. Only full male stereotypes are male. Oh, you're a girl who prefers to dress masculine? Well, then you're not a "full girl", you must be queer in some way.

Instead of all flavours of men and women collectively creating an idea of what men and women is, and by that allowing ambiguity because so many different people and personalities fall under the same term, you destroy it through the nonsense differentiation and create a wrong way for people to look at the world, ie people will ask themselves, "what kind of gender are you?" and try to put you into a certain category, rather than not sorry about the differences and accepting them as they are simple as male and female, regardless of what doesn't fit the norm.

No. 408832

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So It seems like Tatsuya Ishida os finally tackling Trans Stuff in Sinfest

No. 408833

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No. 408871


Wow. I kinda wondered if he ever would but wouldn't have blamed him if he didn't. I'm fascinated by Tatsuya Ishida – Sinfest was one of the best of those early webcomics, so totally at home in that gamer dude lols world and….who could have guessed it'd become this? I'd love to know more about him and why he made such a sharp change when he decided to take Sinfest political.

Tbh when he started to talk a lot about feminism I kinda expected him to come out as a trans woman at some point. I can't remember another time I've seen a dude care THIS much about feminism without making it about him.

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Kek, these people actually think sane men will troon out because of a simple Snapchat filter

No. 408881

Also worth nothing is that he's in his early to mid 50's

No. 408884

>I can't remember another time I've seen a dude care THIS much about feminism without making it about him.
The Only other male I can think of is Derrick Jensen

No. 408887

Really? I always thought he'd be in his 30s or something

No. 408897

he started sinfest in jan 17 2000

No. 408901

Jesus christ I'm left speechless. I've spent so many years thinking that he went full pandering but I'm amazed he actually made this.

To be honest I've been suspecting for a while that Tatsuya is actually a woman. Has anyone ever met him or seen him irl? Nobody knows anything about him and he surfaced around the time when women weren't that many in numbers in the online web comic artist scene and a lot of women took male pencil names in the 90's. It might be a reach but would explain a ton.

No. 408938

Why should they even transition because they look like a stereotypical female? These people always go against their ideals. Male person into long haired person = automatically female and now they’re trans!!

No. 409001

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Holy denial Batman

No. 409017


This isn't a crazy idea, but I do think he did some work in the comics industry back in the day so unfortunately I think he's probably just a dude. But that honestly still fascinates me – I thought he was pandering, maybe for pussy even, at first, but like……..dude has done this for years now, and has to know he'd be making more money if he'd stayed doing Ha Ha Slick is Horny comics. And he's still so private. I can't think of a single other male artist who's done something comparable.

No. 409033

I vaugely remember some drama last year about him banning libfems and TRAs from his message boards for hating on him for being a "swerf".

No. 409054

are the top ones supposed to be trannies because no trannies have these figures. very generous portrayal of mtts

No. 409055

"Don't speak out of hand about my experiences!!"

Proceeds to speak out of hand out of others' experiences.

Love it.

No. 409058

Think the artistic point the author was getting across is that people are treating gender and gendered behaviors like something you can get out of a bottle, when all you can really get is the fantasy of it.

No. 409075

Those aren't mtfs they're females. I think the whole point is to hammer in the fact that TRAs actually support strict gender roles. Females must take lady pills to remain feminine and dainty. Males must take man pills to remain masculine and aggressive. If you don't fit those to categories you're obviously in the wrong, but at the end of the day it's pharmaceuticals who win.

No. 409082

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Anyone starting to suspect Ishida's a farmer?

No. 409085

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Like…how does a man get this way, and why are so many other men just trash? He actually seems to have some degree of hope. I don't know how to feel about this.

No. 409086

I heard on /co/ that he has a radfem girlfriend or wife

No. 409087

That just makes me wonder. How do you get a guy you're dating to understand and accept radical feminist/GC talking points? Can they be trained or something?

No. 409090

so jealous i dont have a based af husband or bf like this. i hope he's legit in his personal life as well.

No. 409092

The thing is we have absolutely no Idea what Tats personal life is like hell we don't even know when he was born
All we know is that he's a Japanese American man in his early to mid 50's and he might have a son

No. 409120

Absolute preach. I can't understand why people can't just act and live as they want, allowing ambiguity and differences, without having to completely deny their original gender. Now you cant be a feminine boy or a masc girl, apparently for these idiots the only way to even possess those "gendered" qualities is that deep down you actually aren't a woman or a man. It's the most retarded and harmful shit i have ever heard yet they sell it as something "feminist" and "totally not sexist" thing to say to people, especially children, which are the most damaged in this situation.

This happened because they started to confuse gender with personality, instead of seeing gender as a simple and basic part of your identity.

No. 409149

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No. 409160

This must be a lie.. they just want to pee in peace!!! That little girl probably harassed that poor trans in the stall and ~she~ had no other choice /s

No. 409169

GC isn't difficult. A lot of men are already GC, they just don't know there's an actual term for it. Radfem is a much harder sell because most men don't fully understand what radical feminism means. Some of them aren't even aware that there are different types of feminism and they dismiss it all as unjustified man hate.

No. 409175

Just throw them in prison and never let them out. Absolute garbage. Fuck I'm so mad, that girl will be affected for life and yet there will undoubtly be people who try to discredit her. Fuck these sick bastards and the people defending this.

No. 409176

What does eggs mean exactly?

No. 409178

someone who is deemed to be a transsexual in denial - they just need convincing that they are the wrong gender so they can "hatch" into the "right" body, as they don't know that they are trans yet. notable examples include narcissa/cosmo who trooned out after being cucked by his ex. the egg_irl subreddit is a good lurk for the thought patterns of people who use this terminology.

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No. 409186

Apparently it's just what you call a guy with feminine interests (or girl with masc) before they are convinced by the community to troon out. Because clearly, if a man likes feminine things, has depression and struggles with his body HE MUST BE A TRANNY AND DOESN'T KNOW IT YET!

No. 409190

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>top post of all time on egg_irl
I guess I’m a big buff black man in my heart then because of the time I customized my Fallout character that way.
I’ve noticed tons of troons saying their evidence for “always being a girl inside” is playing as female characters in games sometimes or thinking some female character was cool. But every girl I know grew up mostly playing as male characters, loving lots of male characters and imagining being them because they’re cool, and thinking nothing more of it.

No. 409191

sad to see the cancer of american liberalism spreading globally, especially 'woke' feminism

No. 409193

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Behold the chapocel

No. 409194

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wow that reddit is so fucking creepy

No. 409197

I've always found John Mulaney funny but man, I'm glad to know he's actually got some form of a brain in his head.

No. 409200

No. 409202

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I get that the current threat to women’s reproductive rights in the US is a major existential threat to women, but has anyone considered the REAL issue at play here? That abortion rhetoric invalidates trans guys’ feefees?

No. 409204

>"Queer" in username
>Diverting attention away from extremely serious threats to millions of women's lives to make it about genderspecial terminology
Of course.

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No. 409220

How does this, in any way, promote violence, threaten, or harass. Twitter has a huge problem and I wish there was something better to replace it.

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No. 409242

i'm wondering why troons love communism so much when they fuel capitalism with buying their "titty skittles" and throwing money at big pharma

No. 409245

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Because they think one day they'll get titty skittles for free thanks to glorious communism.
Oh and they totally won't be working at a factory getting peanuts for it like the rest of the working class. Oh no, they'll be privileged party officials, sitting in their cushy offices and making others search for wrongthink.

No. 409258

ugly incel lol

the shooter probably did him a favor ngl

No. 409263

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A trans nobody named "UguuGames" or "Jalae Lain Casaus" advocates for the production and consumption of child porn, and released a rant on twitter discussing it and defending it and believing that it is "preventive."


No. 409269

these men deserve chemical castration at best and a firing squad at worst. there's no redeeming or rehabilitating sex based offenders and their existence infringes upon and violates the rights of others, especially children, and has the potential to create more abusers. the left really needs to abandon male deviants

No. 409273

Wtf, if you are from the US you should report him to the police or something anon.

No. 409275


His account was suspended.

No. 409282

What a fucking idiot, he literally admits in writing to watching child porn. Disgusting. Luckily someone made a thread about it on Twitter encouraging people to report him, and it's gained quite a bit of attention.


I know of someone who got caught with CP and this guy is going to have the Secret Service bust into his house any day now. It's no joke for a good reason.

No. 409284

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> "I don't condone the touching of minors by adults"
Yep, because CP is made by children themselves with no adult interference whatsoever.

>no "desire"

That's BS, he literally said that he watched CP and the only ones that he "liked" were "1 or 2 girls doing it for fun."

He violated TOS on twitter and made a new account @JaeleNistra.

No. 409291

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Here's another source detailing his BS, with archive link in case it gets ethered to protect this "awesome trans gal" from abuse and harassment:
Part of me is pleasantly surprised his account was suspended, considering the internet has shown where they stand with shit like >>409219 and Jonathan Yaniv.
>maybe a puppy rape video spares another puppy
I want to fucking vomit. This "person" and others like him deserve the rope.

No. 409294

Fuck this stupid "No contact" pedophile trend going on. It's come out time and time again that these "no contact" MAP groups are full of perverts fantasizing about a child. Delusional trannies and pedophilia go hand in hand.

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No. 409310

c'mon dude, plenty of parents kiss their kids on the lips.

No. 409314


>>409310 Yeah, this is reaching.

No. 409321

nta but that's gross tho

No. 409324

sure it's gross but it's not sexual, lol

No. 409326

Look at their skin tones. Clearly not his parent.

No. 409327

They're gay. I imagine they adopted. I don't want to argue about this but adoption is a very real thing that happens

No. 409333

This honestly reads like a right-wing attempt to fear-monger. A little questionable but still a reach.

Holy fuck. I recognize of the the people in those photos. They're an online acquaintance from Discord. Used to talk to them when they solely identified as a depressed cis dude. After a few months of not being in-contact, I come back to see that they now identify as trans with a female variation of their originally male name. Kinda freaky to stumble across them here.

No. 409343

Frame fatale is on, farmers. Make sure to absolutely not notice the obvious tranny voices. And no cam, to boot! Easy to hide your adam's apple and stubble.

No. 409346


Glad to see chapo dudes continue to not actually know jack shit about leftist thought because understanding something so fundamental to marxist thought as "women as a class" would interfere with their basement dwelling failson boners

No. 409349

Adopting kids to kiss them on the lips still sounds suspicious.

No. 409354

Go clutch your pearls else where anon.

No. 409356


here is a fascinating reddit thread about a guy deeply regretting getting SRS. it is heartbreaking to hear, but i wish voices like these were actually heard in the trans community.

No. 409357

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No. 409358


No. 409374

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He still uses female pronouns and follows tranny logic, so fuck him. I'm glad he got butchered. Hopefully he suicides in the near future.

No. 409382

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>content of the video is different from the acts themselves

Rope would be too kind.

No. 409394

I'm confused, did he really expect women on GC to refer to him as a woman? …does he even know what GC is?

No. 409402

These replies were actually under his AMA post, but still, this is how he really feels.

No. 409416

Right???? How can they be so dumb? And it's so weird because otherwise intelligent people fall for this and it's actually the biggest tell for them being a secret dumbass not worth speaking to. I'm almost glad they fall for it.

No. 409420

>ChapoTrapHouse users

No. 409422

Not literally that subreddit, but there are some Chapo aligned people and sources who are otherwise intelligent seeming, yes

No. 409425

intelligent seeming not actually intelligent

No. 409442

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Kids can be born gay. It happens? I think it's common for people to realize that they're gay around puberty (10-13). Obviously coming out is another situation.

There are cultures where kisses on the lips (typically with moms?) are normal. It's kind of weird with dads though ngl? But again. Cultural differences. The people in the picture might not be American, so who knows. The kid in particular might have been adopted from somewhere else.

Anon, we trash trannies here, not gay people. Gay people aren't barging into women's locker rooms with their dicks out- that would be trannies (aka dress-wearing incels who creep on lesbians). In fact, trannies who used to be gay men are usually the LEAST obnoxious of the lot (though they're still toxic in their own way).

Most of us here are trying to DEFEND gay people and lesbians FROM trannies, in fact, since gay kids are the ones getting transed and lesbian women are the ones being creeped on.

No. 409457

I have zero sympathy for these nutjobs. If you're crazy enough to believe you can mutilate your dick into a fully functioning vagina in a world where we can't even grow replacement internal organs deserves to be miserable. Even this douchebag is just posting to look for a mommy to pat his head and kiss his owies instead of actually coming to face the fact that he's a man with an obsession and owning up for his mistakes.

No. 409464

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shapiro is dumb but when he gets it he Gets it

No. 409476

any society with a hierarchy will always place troons on the bottom because they are born losers, so their only hope is to establish a classless society

too bad they'll literally all probably die in any sort of revolution, fuck they off themselves at 40% during peace time and have mental breakdowns over wrong pronouns but they think they'll be able to fight the entire global order and win

No. 409479

Thats the thing chapocels and anarchists always fail to understand "If" society breaks down it will be the people with military experience and training that will end up taking power not the sheltered city communists and according to a statistic the vast majority of US service men are politically center right

No. 409491

NTA but I think the issue is that the banner only mentions trans kids and not gay/bi kids.

No. 409500

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Women can't even have motherhood anymore.

Everything is about men playing dressup.

I'm just so tired.

No. 409501

Don't cut yourself on that edge

No. 409502

Cause everyone knows the true deserving mothers are men. Fucking gross

No. 409504

That post set my scrote detector off since only men are so concerned with unattractive men having it hard and project that onto women as a sad way to express self-hatred.

No. 409516

UK anon here. GC movement is gathering momentum now because the police keep doing ridiculous things to law-abiding members of the public. A woman with a Fair Play For Women poster in her window was visited by police and forced to take it down, a man was warned by police for liking a "twansphobic" limerick on Twitter… More and more famous people are coming out as GC, too. I have hope that it will make a difference on the ground, though, as I'm currently scared to send my daughter to school in case she's indoctrinated into the gender cult.

No. 409523

What other minority has had this kind of protection from the police? I mean I think it's stupid to say that trannies aren't oppressed at all that's just not true, but them acting like they're the most oppressed minority out there is just insane when you think about how they're coddled and protected compared to other minorities

No. 409524

By they aren’t oppressed, being bullied for acting like a fool is not at all the same as systematic oppression.

No. 409525

This is some dystopian shit right here. Are trans activists relatives of some high ranking government officials or something? How do they manage to even pull this shit off when the police barely look into marital battery or child grooming cases?

No. 409526

I'm also pretty sure it's a scrote.

No. 409529

A audio interview (This American Life) with Griffin Hansbury, who started life as a butch lesbian woman, but began taking massive testosterone and now lives as a "man". It’s just 17 minutes long, and quite "interesting" in a way. You won’t find any real science here but it remains an interesting glimpse on the mindset of TIFs
The most striking change was she described having this incredible boost in her sexual desire. Where as before she would fantasise and embark on constructing a long inner verbal narrative around the women she would find attractive, she now simply objectifies, and lusts after their beauty. Everything she now touches turns to sex. She describes how she can now see that even cars can be sexy - their artful forms. She described herself as previously being very much a butch feminist but has now even been called a misogynist because of her newly found desires, and behaviours. She now identifies as a “post-feminist”, and describes her inner battle between what she was told to think as a feminist, and her now newly found powerful lust.
She claims that she even found a new interest in science after taking testosterone - that she finally understands it for the first time.
She now finds she cannot have a good cry anymore, that she can’t befriend women with the same closeness as her prior self.


This American Life: Testosterone - scroll right down the page to find “ACT 2”, and play it from there.

No. 409536

This guy is dumb as fuck. How does he think CP is made in the first place? Children have to be harmed for it to be produced. It's like saying you love to eat steak but don't want cows to die for it.

No. 409543

Yes. It's so hard for them to understand this. A bunch of college kids (and some middle aged fetishists) who think they're tough and revolutionary forgetting about how society works… Can't participate in a revolution if you're posting on Reddit about how much it hurts your feefees when your mommy calls you a "he"

No. 409544

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Oh fuck off

No. 409545

I really can't even understand this mindset they have,like they do really believe they can survive in anyway society collapses

No. 409546

There are a few young TRAs in UK politics like child rape enabler 'Aimee' Challenor (Greens/Liberal Democrats) and overall class act Liam 'Lily' Madigan (Labour) but I don't think any of them are really in influential positions. Personally I think the push comes from influential lgbT organisations like Stonewall and Mermaids which have a lot of money to spend on propaganda. Stonewall in particular provides "training" to teachers and police officers on how to best coddle trans-identifying people and use their authority to harass anyone who doesn't agree with the latest trans narrative.

No. 409581

Trans people are not oppressed. They are protected unlike any other group, and it happened extremely fast. No other movement or group ever achieved this much protection so quickly. Women and black people have fought for hundreds of years against oppression and still are treated like shit personally and systemically. This is due mainly to the fact most trannies are MALE and the healthcare industry/Big Pharma supports it. Notice how trannies in media are always TIMs. Where are all the TIFs in movies, TV, interviews, etc etc etc. They aren't there. There's a few but nobody gives a shit. TIMs are mostly straight males and they have the most power in society, and the greedy American healthcare industry backed their insanity and brainwashed the public in order to line their pockets with more money.

The combination of power, perceived injustice, and big money should never be underestimated.


No. 409584

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Ugh I saw that tweet yesterday but didn’t check the comments to see if anyone else was annoyed. Most of the comments are negative besides the rabid RPDR stans. It’s funny though, if a company were to hire a woman to be in an advertisement celebrating drag queens the RPDR stans would suddenly become triggered. Although there is something especially tone deaf about hiring a man pretending to be a misogynist caricature of a woman for a Mother’s Day ad.

No. 409585


Chapo has really helped me discover the default benefit of the doubt I still tend to extend to men – especially in politics. When men get really into something like Chapo or twitter lefty stuff in general, I'd assume they, yknow, knew anything and weren't just treating it like a new fandom and way to excuse their own bs. But y'know what? It's never that. Men benefit so much from us doing that, from us assuming they're smarter than they are. A year ago I'd look at this and think "but haven't they read Engel's Origin of the Family in which he asserts that basis of understanding Marxism is understanding women's biological realities?" But now I know they haven't, they will use anything to prop their own egos and boners up. Then they tell us WE'RE the ones who are stupid, attention-seeking, emotional, whatever. We teach women to scrutinize themselves relentlessly and men that they're already perfect 100% of the time and that their desires and wants are paramount, always. Trans activism is such a weird Frankenchild of that.

No. 409587

Trans people aren't oppressed. The law allowing them to legally "change sex" was introduced in 2004, the law to protect gender reassignment in 2010 (within the Equality Act). Hate crime laws seem to protect them more than anyone else, and that's saying a lot considering how sensitive the UK police are to racism/Islamophobia. Society being like wtf?? isn't oppression - that has to be systemic in some way.

Because more often than not marital battery and child grooming means prosecuting men for their shitty behaviour. Prosecuting twansphobia usually means silencing and threatening women. (And before anyone starts with the misandry bullshit, why don't the police chase up complaints against stalkers the way they chase up complaints against GC people? What's the common factor here?)

No. 409588

So it‘s okay to joke having sex with you as a clear joke cause it’d be gross? Okay Good, we’re on the same page then. On a serious note, obviously trannies don’t look as airbrushed and flawless as the filters make them believe.

No. 409596

Transgender man(TIF) Identifies As A Dog

No. 409597

No. 409600

Yeah but the rabbit hole has to go deeper. I doubt Mermaids just called the Police department and joined forces, someone has to have connections that go into places here because literally no other movement has ever achieved such an aggressive takeover in a very short time period. I hope someone from the UK would investigate this mess.

No. 409618

Ugly ginger trancels: kill cops uwu dae all law enforcement bad because state violence???? Praise kropotkin

Also ugly ginger trancels: literally assimilating into state violence to persecute people for mistriggerment

No. 409642

Haven't been around here for a while, so I've been reading up on threads. In the last one, someone brought up why it seems like a lot of troons end up being exposed as pedophiles or broadcast it themselves. I have a personal experience with someone like this (saged btw, just in case).

I used to have a friend; he was a guy in his mid-20s that I met somewhere online. We talked for a while, and at some point he told me he had a really "dark secret" he's never told anyone. Turns out he was blackmailing young girls (some as young as 10) for their nude photographs. He was doing this whilst pretending to be a young girl himself. He said that at one point, he had thousands of CP images and was really interested in very young girls, and was absolutely addicted to doing this (to the point where he said he believed some of the young girls might have even killed themselves because of his blackmail). I got him to talk about this more (so I could report it), and he also eventually ended up telling me he was thinking about going to a doctor and getting hormones and coming out as trans. He said he thought he liked looking at young girls probably because he was a girl himself, and it helped him, in some sick way? And that "women aren't looked down for these kinds of things like men are". Anyways, I did report him to the police and last I heard, they did find CP and he has felony charges now.

But my point is, maybe some of these guys want to transition because they also have sick beliefs like these, or think there will be more leniency towards them if they're found out, because they think "women get off easy" or their troon status will save them.

No. 409680

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Anime-identifying males just can’t quell their sex’s natural resort to violence, can they?

No. 409689

I think many of them try to justify it by transitioning. "I was only looking at naked little girls because I never got to be one, officer!"

No. 409758

What a truly brave and stunning soul

No. 409761

I think that would make some sense, lot of troons are incels who think women live the "easy mode" life and want to become girls themselves because of that.

Sadly everyone coddles trannies and their "women have it easier" delusions get validated because they think they're treated like women

No. 409802

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The more comments you read in that post the more gold you discover lol.

No. 409805

You know, I find it interesting how drag queens are more of a thing than drag kings in that they're more notable/have a mainstream presence. Drag queens can get on all of these shows now, get involved with big name brands, and so on but no one really hears about drag kings. Feel like it might have to do with the sexist notions that bio women (even when dressed up as men) can't be funny, creative, and or innovative as bio men (dressed up as women) but think there could be more to it.

No. 409808

It's easier to sell and mock women than men.
Women's appearances, iconography and (male writings about our) personalities have been commodified all over worldwide media for a long time, while the same is not true of men.

No. 409817

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Taken from a thread on GC, and generally people can see this retarded-ass mindset for what it is, but occasionally I'll read from rfs or GC people pointing to pic related type stuff as to why test and men are truly terrible and it's crazy. It's obvious that using any TIF to gauge the negative effects of test are so ridiculous considering how they tend to be the most misogynistic type of woman. Also obv just crazy that, damn, TIFs are truly so deluded by obviously fake bullshit.

No. 409844

just taking testosterone won't turn you into a sociopath

that TiF obviously always wanted to be like that

No. 409849

Well to be fair he is thanking his own mother for supporting him in the video, not pretending he IS a mother.

No. 409854

She mentions that before she was a butch dyke feminist and butch feminist have very stereotypical view on men so once she became a man she became a caricature of what she thought men were like

No. 409860

Sorry for the blogposting but I had a TIF phase when I was younger and was on HRT for 6 months. Some of the things she mentioned happened to me and are pretty universal for TIFs based on what I saw in the communities, like fucked up high sex drive and loss of hability to cry. Now for "now I'm good at science and maths!!!" is pure sexism. I'm an IT student and my performance didn't get any better, in fact, it was harder to do anything because my stress levels were pretty high. I had to exercise to alleviate it or I'd be punching walls.

It makes my blood boil to see TIFs saying testosterone made them more "logical and rational", occasionally there were MRAs looking to talk to TIFs in the forums because it was a proof that LE TESTOSTERONE FUELLED BRAIN was superior.

No. 409864

I don't understand why their isn't a trend of men wanting to fuck TIFs
>they have high sex drives
>unlike TIMs they actually have vaginas

No. 409871

Samefag with the TIF past here, actually it's not that uncommon specially in conventions and similar contexts. Just pretend you buy into the TIF's fantasy that it's gay sex and it's the easiest sex ever. I was going celibate so I didn't run into any of this in my time but I saw it everywhere in communities. Posts about "oh my god bois this cis "gay" guy wants to have sex with me it's so validating we're so gay!!".

I feel sorry for the young ones, though. So many predators taking advantage of young females dying for some ~validating gay sex~.

No. 409875

I think the main reason is that TIFs really want to be seen as male, and most "bi" men aren't actually comfortable with a relationship where they actually have to identify as gay. The strap-ons, pack-in wieners, and more common desire to be on top (compared to TIMs) also makes it a lot harder to see the actual real vagina as "worth it" (not to mention the side effects of HRT on that area if they're actually taking hormones).

The cognitive dissonance with TIMs is just easier for most "bi" or "straight" dudes.

No. 409878

Probably because body hair is the absolute ~worst~ thing that could be on a woman and a TIF would be extra hairy

No. 409882

Which is why most of those men prey on the Pre-T young girls. Once they start getting hairier and manlier the appeal wears off and they go on Reddit to complain about their gay fling not wanting them anymore for some mysterious reason.

No. 409900

or they end up getting married and the Transman starts Identifying as a dog like >>409596

No. 409903

It's either hated because the cis men are having fun using it while troons feel dysphoric over the fact that they can't be cute girls irl. Or troons love it because they can finally be a "cute girl other women are jealous of"!

I bet troons will start using it to try to catfish lesbians. But it's easy to spot since no one looks that airbrushed irl unless they are using a sc filter.

No. 409907

it's not even their own facial features… they're using face swapping like the one girl who skinwalks the arya and rey actresses in /snow/, albeit a bit more toned down.

No. 410000

Someone I know brought up the whole James Charles losing subs thing, and she goes
"no one likes him because he was rude when his friend came out as trans."

and then she proceeded to go "And because he said something racist, or something."

No. 410003

Anyone knows what happened to larpsandtherealgirl? Is it true that she's a janitor here now?

No. 410009

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Totally not a fetish though!

No. 410016

Devil's advocate here, but

>Yep, because CP is made by children themselves with no adult interference whatsoever.

True, unless you loosen adult interference up to things like internet connection. When I was younger I made CP of myself because I found porn online when I was like 11. I wasn't abused. Actually my upbringing was strict catholic
(maybe this led to it) but from seeing Webcam girls I kinda thought "that's looks kinda fun" in some very bad way. In retrospect I was a stupid kid, but once I started camming on places like omegle on my own (unsurprisingly only a small handful of people tried to stop me) that's when adult involvement happened. I did this until I was like 15 before I realized what I was doing. I never got money from it, and thankfully wasn't stupid enough to give my address out. I almost did when someone told me they'd get me a 3DS though…

Just saying. It was still wrong and I still regretted it but I was initially doing it out of my own preteen vouyerism and there was no adult contact.

No. 410020

I have a really out there theory that Larps is strange aeons on youtube, but probably not.

No. 410021

Strange Aeons decries terfs so no

No. 410022

Is she that trans guy who made the ginger male market failure song

No. 410023

NTA but Kids do stupid things to explore their sexuality. That's something that's pretty usual, especially with, as you said, strict upbringings.

However, the issue here is CP being "made with no adult interference" won't stay that way for long. Kids (pre-teens and teens) will, on the internet, start interacting with adults who encourage it - as you said - and therefore it will have adult interference.

Not to mention no kid is going to end up on CP sites posting their own videos.

No. 410025

She posted a pic of herself she's not lol

No. 410031

A lot of closet radfems do, particularly lesbians since lesbians will get accused of being TERFs if they so much as breathe wrong.

No. 410033

I used to know a guy who boasted about doing this. He'd look in troon dating forums, pick up a TIF, claim he was gay (he was straight) and then use them for sex. He used to laugh about how easy it was and how willing they were to do degrading shit that other women wouldn't do since they were so grateful a "gay" man was with them.

He was a piece of shit to be honest.

No. 410114

Any guy willing to take advantage of mentally ill women is a piece of shit, so duh

No. 410140

Curious for those anons in relationships how do you think your partner would react If you came out as Trans ?

No. 410141

lol why tf are you asking in here? scoot on out.

No. 410157

The thing I’m wondering about these women is why they’re willing to have shit sex for the rest of their lives if they go through with SRS - women don’t have prostates and their clit will be munt beyond repair. What exactly do they have to gain even if they do have totes gay smex?

No. 410164

They’ll have ~validation~

No. 410171

Don't be tired. Chips Ahoy did us all a huge favor. This is a victory. The backlash is huge. Clown World emojis everywhere. I searched youtube for "Chips Ahoy" in the past week and most vids are like the one below (Chips Ahoy part in the middle).

This is when all those who want to laugh at troons, those that want to speak out against trasngenderism and don't want this pushed onto kids, tired of the normalization, tired of trans women are women, this was an opportunity to be heard and not attacked and called a transphobe…etc. 9.3K comments and counting, very few positives. The word degenerate comes up more than stunning and brave.

I know there's a difference between drag queens and troons but judging by the comments on twitter people mostly equate it as the same.

Thank you Chips Ahoy. Thank you for fucking up so bad. As you can clearly see, we don't accept this. It's not right. Stop pushing it.

As for you anon, rejoice. Women are mothers and it's not about them.

No. 410256

Even if trannies weren’t unstable and a risk in women’s toilets I still wouldn’t want them there because they’d piss standing up and inevitably miss

No. 410258

I don’t disregard that a kid will probably masturbate at some point and explore their sexuality. There’s an average age of 11 for when boys start watching porn. I first saw it at 7 and it raised so many questions for me as a girl.

However, I still don’t think a child would do much beyond touching themselves (i.e, touch an ADULT) without some sort of adult coercion. I’m not disregarding kissing friends your own age and whatnot but children are not inclined to touch adults. Children are often not likely to film something to be distributed (key-word here). Chances are, if it’s on the internet, it was probably circulated at one point by an adult. It was also probably like you said, coerced out of a child by some creep either threatening or promising something, taking advantage of a child’s lack of brain development.

Point is, kids cannot consent and anyone who doesn't understand that is absolutely devoid of empathy, which is why it makes sense that it’s so often that these child abusers turn out to be NPD cross dressing fetishists.

No. 410266

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So did anyone else see the story about the 55-year-old police gender advisor who violently assaulted a (female) teenage passenger with a hammer in a parking lot and caused her to be hospitalised with a head injury because the (male) driver parked in a space for disabled people? Thank goodness UK police have people like this to educate them on gender equality.

No. 410270

> What other minority has had this kind of protection from the police?

Muslims. It is illegal to post anti-muslim comments in UK.

No. 410271

I would normally think nothing of a parent kissing their own kid on the mouth,
but with this context and that kid looking like an adopted Brazilian orphan makes me nervous

No. 410277


>pride is for kids too

>pic of adult dramatically kissing child on the lips at Pride march
Uuuhhhhhhh this is not helping homophobes with their pedophilia accusations.

No. 410295

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He's right you know

No. 410305

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Finally found the worst one

No. 410307

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*I stand corrected, as she seems to be female she's just the worst handmaiden

No. 410323

Oh for fuck’s sake. I could understand if she were talking about TIFs (as disingenuous as it is to say "ackchully men can get pregnant too! UwU") but TIMs can never get pregnant and will never need an abortion. Pregnancy means uterus. No uterus, no pregnancy. Pregnancy and any legislation related to it by definition excludes people who cannot get pregnant. That’s nobody’s fault, not even the Romans’.
>trans women are also subject to coercive reproductive laws under the patriarchy
…How? Afaik TIMs aren’t even required to jerk off in a cup before being prescribed hormones or elective genital surgery. Anything they do that affects their reproductive ability is 100% their own choice. The patriarchy isn’t coercing them to do diddly squat, much less forcing them to reproduce against their will.

I posted this video last thread but I’m going to post it again because it’s so fucking prophetic. The only thing they missed is the men turning on Judith for daring to oppress “Loretta” with her very existence.

No. 410327

The amount of trans pandering related to the abortion laws recently is driving me crazy, eg: talking about 'birthers' instead of WOMEN.

No. 410329

>TRAs: "Terves are so horrible for reducing womanhood to biology!"
>Also TRAs: Call women bleeders, birthers, uterus-havers

No. 410332

When is the left and liberal feminism going to stop eating itself.

No. 410343

unironically based

No. 410363

You know these companies are doing this because of what you're doing, right? Like they realized people don't like ads, they tune out to ads, they block ads, they ignore ads, and the only way to be relevant is to adapt. The new strategy is to take political stances and make outlandish ads like this that scratch into the surface of Poe's Law. Whenever you see a company tweet something like this or make an ad like this, just ignore it. The people behind these companies don't even share the values that they're promoting in their ads most likely. They just have marketing research teams they pay to tell them that it's the best stance to take for maximum exposure and they run with it. All this PC climate is doing is empowering corporations to step into our lives when we've fought so hard to deny them entry. Advertisements have and always be about mass social manipulation to get your product into the heads of the consumers. This is new wave advertising and it's working. They want to become part of the discussion, because it means you're giving them attention. It's risky because it can (and has in many cases) backfire and give your brand a bad name. That's why these companies are picking the safer approach of picking a side that's easier to defend if criticized.

No. 410366

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another one

No. 410381

Definitely agree when I look at it like that. I'm sure my videos are floating around the dark web, and I never uploaded those. I did distribute the same videos/pics into chat rooms I was in for multiple (sick) people to download but by that point they were already usind and manipulating me. I wonder how many of them have come out as "trans" since then.

Semi related but there was one person at that period who befriended me pretending to be a girl my age. I was sent various pictures like "does my vagina look weird??? Can you do this and show me if it stretches like this?" turns out it was a guy using pics of someone else… But I can imagine troons doing something similar. "Im another girl, I just wanna see how your vagina looks like because I'm self conscious a out mine!!"

No. 410488

why are they all ginger

No. 410498

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>large tits
>breasts looking like one of pubescent girl

their obsession with wearing bdsm gear and collar in public is so fucking nasty

(found on kiwifarms)

No. 410499

Jeez, you'd figure as an alt guy he'd just dress however and not give a fuck about gender. He'd be fairly attractive in alt fashion, actually. Sad.

No. 410502

I don't this so. His face is really odd-looking.

No. 410508

It’s great that tranny tits just make them loook like they have bad gyno

No. 410557

come on anon, don't do teen girls dirty like that. those look more like flubby man titties than budding breasts!

No. 410577

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Ginger hair is more common in Ireland and the UK.

No. 410578

Ok so it wasn't just me. I think he's a handsome dude and the style suits him. A shame he's mucking it up with hormones.

No. 410593

they look like the moobs you see on fat men. it's funny.

No. 410595

That's because they are those moobs. Men don't have real breast tissue - they just get fat.

No. 410601

heh they really can't escape being men no matter how many drugs they take can they. I wonder how triggered he'd be if someone said that his boobs were actually moobs.

No. 410603

>stop centering conversations about reprouctive rights around genitalia

Fuck right off.

The law affects people with vaginas. People with wombs. People who have the ability to get pregnant. I'm not pandering to people who will literally never be physically affected by the law just because they have feeeeeeelings about it.

No. 410604

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TRAs never make any good criticisms against terves, it's always "terfs are stupid and smelly and should die"

No. 410611

ahahaha where's the pic of that guy that looks like Benjamin Franklin. I guess he's a terf because the troon description definitely doesn't describe him.

No. 410614

doublepost but a compilation of radfems and ugly trannies along with this tweet would be chef's kiss

No. 410617

Why are they always so obsessed with TERFs? I always thought TERFs were terrible based on the rep trannies give them, but once I looked it up, most of the mainstream TERF shit isn't even offensive.

No. 410622

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No. 410797

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Any man that respects women is actually a Trans woman in denial

No. 410800

lmao the second leftmost man on the top isn't a tranny, he's just a guy who has mommy issues and vocally hates women. his current account is IDFshill iirc
It's probably sunk cost fallacy at this point. Imagine having to spend the rest of your life in a butchered body that you have to constantly maintain; you're probably going to try and hold onto whatever you have left.

No. 410803

Aren't something like 70% of TiMs narcissists?
It makes sense that a narcissist would only "respect" a group if they think they deserve to be a part of it, or that they "belong there (on the inside)".

No. 410844

They hate that there’s a group with a valid reason to exclude them, and that women fundamentally do believe that a “transwoman” will never be a woman in the same way that we are. Feminism will never include men for good reason, so they have to invade our movement and create a bs term like “TERF” when feminism should pertain to women who are oppressed for their biology.

They seriously hate and know that they are not actual women. Hence why they’re constantly brainwashing libfems, and harassing people with “TRANSWOMEN ARE WOMEN.” Newsflash, saying something over and over doesn’t make it any more valid.

This is also why they’re so obsessed with dictating conversations about our reproductive rights, our periods, birth control, etc, because they will never truly have any valid connection to what makes a woman a woman.

No. 410896

I was just reading up a discussion on a big, national normie forum about a transgender male having children and it's like a breath of fresh air seeing people treating it as it is, a mental illness. Even the normies don't get why transgenderism needs to support gender roles and why a feminine man needs to become a woman and vice versa, and it really emphasizes how crazy the whole movement is when the lone TRAs come in to "educate" poor ignorant bigots about muh gender identity. What makes me especially happy is that almost all of them say they think homosexuality is fine and makes sense, but transgenderism is a big load of baloney. It's a shame such a small powerful minority dominates the discourse in the media but also comforting that a big majority considers them insane.

This. They literally don't have the empathetic capacity to care about a demographic they don't belong to. And like any other male feminist their "respect women" bit is essentially "respect women who worship the ground I walk on and accept me as their superior". All others are swerfterfs and deserve to be beaten up, raped and burned on a cross.

No. 410904

No. 410906

>Maju had been suffering a rare congenital vaginal condition called Rokitansky syndrome.

So is Maju actually trans or not?

No. 410913

>if you fight your enemies they win

No. 410922

Really, put Meghan Murphy next to your average Benjamin Franklin tranny. Not even a competition. Trannies are just seething.

Simple, because "terfs" are women. They'll spend their whole days ranting about a group of women for not admitting them to their private party while men are the ones actually murdering them.

No. 410957

So there was a trany in my local swimming pool locker room, he had tiny tubular breast and a very obvious penis, he was wearing a bikini top with a speedo, which I find hilarious because over here we call them "dick hugger". I'm not gonna pretend I was traumatised by the encounter but it was a really weird unpleasant experience.

No. 410973

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pictured: EVIL, UGLY, GROSS, SMELLY, VILE, NASTY TERF vs beautiful, flawless, stunning, brave, gorgeous, peak of femininity trans woman uwu

No. 411015

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seriously…? they only care about gender neutral terms, not the actual issues

No. 411059

So many of their Facebook bios say “cute trans girl” it’s insane

No. 411061

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Holy shit amazing snapshot of AGP lmao

No. 411066

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Saw this on reddit, it's the casting list for some Stonewall documentary/movie

No. 411069

Mayer–Rokitansky–Küster–Hauser syndrome (MRKH)/Müllerian agenesis affects women, so yes, if someone has that they're a biological woman.

No. 411083

Storme was a black female so of course they want to cast a white male. Trans is racist.

No. 411087

Her dad was white and her mom was black, but yeah, are they seriously thinking of casting a white transwoman and paint her black to look like a biracial lesbian??

No. 411095

>>411066 i'm suprised they even mentioned her and didn't transed her into a tranny man, but whitewashing is fucking awful

No. 411112

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>Hollywood’s big players stay quiet on Georgia abortion law
>The muted reaction is in striking contrast to what happened just three years ago when Netflix and Disney threatened to pull productions if a law allowing faith-based refusal of services to LGBTQ persons was passed. Other companies also publicly denounced that proposed law, including AMC, Time Warner, Lionsgate, Sony, NBC Universal and CBS.

These are the same people who immediately flipped out about North Carolina's trans bathroom law. Nice to see, once again, that men in dresses matter more than the lives of women.

Here's the article if you're curious. https://www.apnews.com/06069b29c73248fb88f9edd6752ec1e4

No. 411150

It's not nearly as powerful. Abortion access, to pro-lifers, would not "save lives."

We need to say abortion access saves women because that's really what the argument is about. We're talking about saving women - not just "lives" (a weak word) but women.

No. 411153

Okay, so you can't cast women as men-in-a-dress, but you can cast men-in-a-dress as women. What a great world we live in that isn't biased against women in any way.

No. 411158

That's because trans issues are a perfect virtue signaling device. They're obscure and vague enough to not affect most people. You get to create a pretense of wokeness by challenging nothing. A perfect Hollywood tier non-issue to get behind.

No. 411161

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The Law of Larps proven true yet again.

No. 411185

fuckin wild how the only attributes they ever cite are about looks
almost like it's the only thing they think matters about a woman

No. 411209

While I genuinely believe in GC stuff and it all just makes logical sense, it's so goddamn hard to be GC in the modern era. It's isolating as hell, especially in lib online communities where everyone is all "trans rights!" and disagreeing in the slightest will make you a target. Several of my friend circles even have trannies. I can't even follow who I want to on Twitter because someone will inevitably go "Huurr, anon, did you know that person you followed is a stinky TERF?"

No. 411245

fucking wild how all of them look like a hybrid between ann coulter and a horse

No. 411253

I can't wait until this tr00n kissing ride is over. TERFs are the only logical people making sense anymore.

No. 411291

Same situation, anon. Keeping it stealth is what I've been doing for years. Best advice i can give is to not praise them and just give lip service, not encouraging their delusions and not denying them either doesn't leave much reason for them to call you out.
Hopefully it will end soon… As more detransitioners come forward and the primary audience of children/teens/young adults move onto another alt fashion (trans stuff will get dropped akin to a huge me-too like movement methinks) Because let's face it, the 14 year olds on hormone blockers will eventually grow up and mature. The side effects of hormone blockers and hormones in general, SRS defects, and general emotional impact on this generation is only mounting up. I wonder when's the turning point.

No. 411296

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This just….speaks for itself. They literally admit it when they're in "safe spaces".
But I guess we're just a bunch crazy TERFs, lmao.

No. 411302

>mfw I see people going more "UM EXCUSE ME NOT ALL WOMEN GET PREGNANT PLEASE REFER TO THEM AS ABORTION HAVERS OR BIRTHERS" than being horrified that women's bodily autonomy is in jeopardy and feminism is being taken back for decades
I want to get off this ride.

This. It's still relatively niche enough not to affect a lot of people so it's easy for men especially to campaign for it, because they're essentially protecting their own kind. Defending, say, homosexuality, is a lot more difficult for Straight White Cis Men(tm) because even the biggest heterosexual male feminist is still subconsciously threatened by the thought of being the submissive party to a male. There's a reason why almost every tranny in the spotlight is a straight white male transbian - they pose no threat to men and act at the expense of female rights. It's a win-win deal to them.

No. 411304

>This. It's still relatively niche enough not to affect a lot of people so it's easy for men especially to campaign for it, because they're essentially protecting their own kind. Defending, say, homosexuality, is a lot more difficult for Straight White Cis Men(tm) because even the biggest heterosexual male feminist is still subconsciously threatened by the thought of being the submissive party to a male. There's a reason why almost every tranny in the spotlight is a straight white male transbian - they pose no threat to men and act at the expense of female rights. It's a win-win deal to them.
ok this is getting a bit conspiracy tier in my opinion

No. 411338

It's so frustrating getting police on language as a women fighting for women reproductive rights because I'm not being fucking trans inclusive. I'm sick of everyone having to be explained concepts like they're fucking autistic when they know rightly it means the average women. As a women I'm aware not all women have healthy wombs and not all women get pregnant. Yes of course I'm aware of fucking transgenderism I haven't been living under a rock. How about being an ally for reproductive rights instead of bitching over pedantic rights. No matter what point in history women are treated like second class citizens I'm fucking tired of it. Even sexual pleasure ranks higher than a woman's life. A lot of people really want us to be seen and not heard. Love bring born for the soul purpose of only being useful enough to carry a baby to term. Yet female infanticide what's that! Heaven forbid there is no way people would favour male babies and choose to kill female ones, why they're simply too fucking precious to society!!!

No. 411341

Same here. The cheerleading doesn’t necessarily bother me because I know many of them are just trying to be kind to a group of people they genuinely believe to be vulnerable and oppressed, but what really makes me feel isolated is the extreme hostility to ‘TERF’s. Every time an acquaintance posts about how terves are vile and disgusting and the world would be better off if they all died horribly I have to bite my tongue to keep myself from asking what they think these evil terves actually believe, because many libfems are completely in the dark about this and just parrot what TRAs tell them. But there’s no way to do this (at least, more than once) without outing myself as a ‘TERF-sympathiser’ and being blocked, discredited and ousted from that social circle. In these people’s minds, trying to discuss the gender critical argument in any nuanced way is akin to defending the holocaust. You can’t even say you only read some gc posts to better understand ~the enemy~ because it’s treated like a contagion where any exposure may lead to infection and those who've been infected must be purged. It’s so disheartening to know that many people I get along well with on a surface level would not hesitate to burn me at the stake for my opinions without even taking the time to understand what those opinions are.

Secretly I hope that they themselves unwittingly step out of line sooner or later and get the “burn in hell turf!” treatment from the people they’re caping for, so that maybe they’ll take off their blinders long enough to realise that the women being denounced as evil terves are not, in fact, all horrible puppy-murdering villains. Most of us just think it’s wrong to force dick on lesbians or question if it’s a good idea to expose children to experimental hormone treatments.

No. 411346

You can tell me if this isn't meant to be here but I was sexually assaulted by my 'best friend' who was FtM trans as well as being in a controlling friendship (they wouldn't let me make new friends and talk to me 24/7).
My therapist told me I shouldn't blame them or think they're bad because they were dealing with so much stuff and they were obviously struggling with their identity.
okay? so cause they're confused I have to be their disgusting experiment??? needless to say I dropped that therapist immediately. But yeah, i guess being trans lets them off a lot of shit.

No. 411358

I'm sorry you went through that, I'm glad you dropped your therapist. I hope you're healing well and you have the help you need. It's disgusting that being trans is a get out of jail free card, sure it's a mental illness, but that doesn't remove the harm they've caused others.

No. 411363

>not encouraging their delusions and not denying them either doesn't leave much reason for them to call you out
Sometimes it does. When I used Tumblr sometimes I used to get some anonymous questions asking me why I shared pro-lesbian stuff but never shared anything pro-trans or even just mentioning trans people.

Lmao, that tripfag troon. He most likely looks like the Benjamin Franklin tranny himself.

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No. 411413

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>Thirty-one-year-old Bailey Coffman is a transgender woman from New York. She says that "my gender is not a costume."

zero self-awareness…o i am laffin


No. 411416

Lmao how rich of them to cry ~transface~ over a snapchat filter when they're AGP womanface larpers themselves

No. 411418

Jason Bateman is speaking out and refusing to work in Georgia if the heartbeat law doesn't get thrown out. Some new show he's doing for HBO and Ozark (which is on Netflix) are filming in Georgia and he is refusing to film due to the law. At least someone is saying something.


No. 411456

Eagerly awaiting the wokeness reaching the level that drag queens are considered transphobic.

No. 411475

Literally this abortion debate is what made me fully become gender critical. I grew up on tumblr during what was kind of the peak of protecting trans people, and while I’ve got a FTM friend irl I literally want to bash my head against the wall seeing people on the internet screech about how TRANS MEN EXIST when someone says “men shouldn’t make abortion laws”, or “you’re a terf if you think this is just a problem for women” like this petty fucking infighting is more of any issue than actual life threatening thing for women in this political administration? I feel like it’s always the non-binary kids on the internet too who just want attention on twitter, the one trans guy I know never tries to stick his neck in issues he knows aren’t his own cause he’s got his own life to worry about. Tldr: the twitter queers are literally ruining leftist politics for me

No. 411478

In some circles they already are, exactly because of the reason listed in that article and because drag queens supposedly make a mockery of TiMs by being satirical and over the top.

Back in 2016 there was an article about how problematic it was to have “cis” men like Jaden Smith as the face of women’s fashion because
>The danger for trans women is that if wearing what are traditionally women’s clothes becomes the norm for men too, then trans women will no longer be able to rely on these props to help them display a female gender identity - and for many, that could be a serious problem.

No. 411480

> trans women will no longer be able to rely on these props to help them display a female gender identity

How can anyone write this sentence without realizing how fucking sexist it is?

No. 411486

lmfao horse faced shims admitting that they are indistinguishable from cis men in women's clothing


No. 411520

I expected this article to be about how trans people are being empowered with apps that help ~present themselves as their true gender~ (AKA catfishing is fine so long as ur twans). But this article is gross too. Last thing i want to happen to me is getting catfished by a TiM or TiF and seeing in person that they look nothing like their facetuned fantasy. It's already bad enough with non troons already.

No. 411576

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Based grandma, by the way he is 20 and she has to drive him to work because he doesn’t have a license

No. 411579

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Very violent always. Not a single birth name with human profile picture combo among them, ever.

No. 411583

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Would you let a man fit you for bras at Victoria’s Secret? Fuck, can women’s intimates stores NOT hire men please?

No. 411586

If only more troons would be open to hear how they have nothing in common with a woman. You'd expect of someone who was always a woman in their soul to know what rules women live by socially. What kind of pressures we succumb to, how we are expect to behave, how we communicate. No amount of repressing can erase this kind of socialization. If you were always a woman trapped in a man's body since birth you'd have picked those things up even if your shell is that of a man.

No. 411592

So, this is a hypothetical: What do you say/do if you have a son who claims he's transgender and that he's "actually a girl", or a daughter who claims vice-versa?
How do you explain to them that they can't be the opposite sex, and that they most likely have the wrong idea about what "a boy or girl" even is?
Because when I read about TiMs' parents, it seems like a lot of them straight-up ignore or shut them down (like >>411576), but they don't drop the bullshit. They grow into adults who attack their families, calling them "abusive" for not putting them on HRT in their childhood. How can that be prevented?

No. 411602

I honestly don’t know. I will always remember my mom saying when I was a kid, “you like me now, then you won’t like me for a while, then you’ll like me again” and she was so right. But I’m mentally sound and not an aggressive male. Is it really that all parents can do is just “wait it out” and hope their TiM kids grow out of the phase?
I feel so sorry for their parents. What a nightmare of a parenting situation.

No. 411604

I'm an ex-TIF. Trust me, there's not much you can do in this case. Let them be if they're adults. Convince them to get into therapy. Not a "gender therapist", real therapy to tackle traumas and uncomfortable stuff from their past. It all depends on how much they buy TRA ideology and their degree of self awareness about themselves.

No. 411605


I don't know if it can be prevented. Either they come out of it and realize their parents were right, or they realize their parents were right and dig their heels in deeper, calling them abusive as you said.

No. 411607

I'm honestly curious as to how you can raise your child to not be like this. I would guess that never bringing transgenderism up around them and telling them that it's fine for girls to like boy stuff / vice verse and it doesn't make them a boy. I feel like in most cases it's either the ultra liberal parent trying to force it on the child or an attempt at rebelling from ultra conservative parents. IMO the best way to try and prevent it would be to keep your kids involved with as much IRL stuff as possible and limit internet use (not by restricting it, but encouraging other activities). Get them interested in some sport and make sure they have a solid group of friends that they can rely on.

It's definitely important to not restrict your kid and say "this is not allowed" but also not to encourage it. Allow them to be who they want to be but instill in them that they should love the skin they're in. I feel like a lot of transgenderism comes from severe insecurity and lack of confidence. This is coming from the perspective of raising a young child, though. Not sure what to do if they suddenly start on it later in life… sorry for the long and convoluted rant!

No. 411612

To be honest most of this shit is cult behavior. Modern trans people act and think in the ways presented in these threads because they're apart of a toxic online community that serves as a surrogate family that, well, "eggs" each other on.

The goal is to raise your child to be happy with themselves and be able to form healthy friendships and relationships so they're not susceptible to falling into dysfunctional groups of insecure people who enable and take advantage of each other. Of course life gets in the way of having a perfect happy family so just not letting them spend all day on the internet unmonitored is probably the safest bet. Stops them getting their minds fried by porn too.

No. 411630

ik this is an old video but at least this troon is self-aware enough to have an honest interview with his daughter and let her talk about how his trooning out fucked her life up. it's so crazy to me that men are selfish enough to choose a goddamn fetish over their families.

No. 411704

Has anyone here organized a GC/Radfem discord?

If not and someone is part of another discord, is it any good? I'm trying to join some and curious as to what they're like

No. 411715

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so, have we studied the affects on newborn children who have been born to a FtM?

No. 411717

I would tell them no. My country thankfully doesn't have any laws about how "not supporting a child's identity is abusive" so I could just cut them off from the internet and take them to the therapist. I had a lot of crazy ventures as a teen and my mom was always stern about not playing into my delusions, the kid will eventually get tired of pushing it despite kicking and screaming at first. For most trans teens it's that their parents gave an inch and they took a mile, just humoring their LARPing identity by switching to gender neutral pronouns or using their new name is enough to have the rock rolling. If you treat it as a stupid idea and don't give them an ounce of validation, they will grow out of it at some point.

Parents are often so terrified of the "trans suicide rate" spooks that they tend to forget about how teens have always experimented with their identity with extreme measures. If your kid was dressing up as a hardcore goth and wanted you to call them Raven you would just roll your eyes and not think much of it, but for some reasons parents are indoctrinated to crawl on their knees when their Jessica gets a haircut and becomes Ayden.

No. 411718

>I’m actually being treated like the sex that I keep reeing that I am, is there anything I can do about this??? uwu

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No. 411733

On one hand this is hilariously ironic and on the other it shows you the problem with TRAs wanting to ignore sex and medical facts for their comfort and expecting everyone else to do the same.

No. 411734

Cue the Gofundme where he whines that he has to get out of this ~~abusive home~~ that made him so ~suicidal~

No. 411735

I would be very disgusted if I see a man working in a women's intimate store, especially if he's in the fitting room

No. 411749

why you want to troon out when you want children? this should trigger her "dysphoria"

in kiwifarms tranny news thread is an article about a TiF who didn't knew about being pregnant and kid was a stillbirth, without prenatal , because physician treated her as male instead of female. Hormones could play role in it too, the generation of children born to trannies probably will have health problems. We don't have studies about effects of HRT on pregnancy (or using TiMs sperm), because there is almost non-existing study population. But in 10 years or more maybe someone will finally do a proper, unbiased and not funded by big pharma study and people will look back at troon craze with a big, big shame

No. 411753

I doubt TIM's sperm has any substantial difference then any other human male
children born from TIFs will turn out similar to children born Eastern bloc female athletes

No. 411763

If something like obesity can significantly impact sperm quality I don’t see why hormonal imbalances wouldn’t

No. 411766


Blurred lines: A pregnant man’s tragedy tests gender notions

May 15, 2019

When the man arrived at the hospital with severe abdominal pains, a nurse didn’t consider it an emergency, noting that he was obese and had stopped taking blood pressure medicines. In reality, he was pregnant — a transgender man in labor that was about to end in a stillbirth.

The tragic case, described in Wednesday’s New England Journal of Medicine, points to larger issues about assigning labels or making assumptions in a society increasingly confronting gender variations in sports , entertainment and government . In medicine, there’s a similar danger of missing diseases such as sickle cell and cystic fibrosis that largely affect specific racial groups, the authors write.

“The point is not what’s happened to this particular individual but this is an example of what happens to transgender people interacting with the health care system,” said the lead author, Dr. Daphna Stroumsa of the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor.

“He was rightly classified as a man” in the medical records and appears masculine, Stroumsa said. “But that classification threw us off from considering his actual medical needs.”

Stroumsa would not say where or when the case occurred, and the patient was not identified.

Transgender men, who are considered female at birth but who identify as male, may or may not be using masculinizing hormones or have had surgical alterations, such as womb removal.

The 32-year-old patient told the nurse he was transgender when he arrived at the emergency room and his electronic medical record listed him as male. He hadn’t had a period in several years and had been taking testosterone, a hormone that has masculinizing effects and can decrease ovulation and menstruation. But he quit taking the hormone and blood pressure medication after he lost insurance.

A home pregnancy test was positive and he said he had “peed himself” — a possible sign of ruptured membranes and labor. A nurse ordered a pregnancy test but considered him stable and his problems non-urgent.

Several hours later, a doctor evaluated him and the hospital test confirmed pregnancy. An ultrasound showed unclear signs of fetal heart activity, and an exam revealed that part of the umbilical cord had slipped into the birth canal. Doctors prepared to do an emergency cesarean delivery, but in the operating room no fetal heartbeat was heard. Moments later, the man delivered a stillborn baby.

A woman showing up with similar symptoms “would almost surely have been triaged and evaluated more urgently for pregnancy-related problems,” the authors wrote.

“It’s a very upsetting incident, it’s a tragic outcome,” said Dr. Tamara Wexler, a hormone specialist at NYU Langone Medical Center.

“Medical training should include exposure to transgender patients” so health workers are better able to meet their needs, Wexler said. “A lot of doctors who are practicing didn’t have that in their training” but can still learn from such patients now.

Nic Rider, a transgender health specialist and psychologist at the University of Minnesota, said training isn’t enough.

“There are implicit biases that need to be addressed,” Rider said.

Health records may use male/female templates for gender but “it doesn’t mean that we just throw out critical thinking or think about how humans are diverse,” Rider said.

The case is horrifying but “not terribly surprising,” said Gillian Branstetter, a spokeswoman for an advocacy group, the National Center for Transgender Equality in Washington.

Transgender people often run into problems getting gender-specific health care such as cervical cancer screening, birth control and prostate cancer screenings.

More needs to be done to improve medical awareness and recognition of diversity because “the consequences can be so dire, as this case shows,” Branstetter said.


No. 411767

This story is a big example of why people shouldn't be classified male or female based on feelings on official documents. No one's gonna see this shit, just put "transgender man" or "transgender woman". ffs

No. 411773


>“He was rightly classified as a man” in the medical records and appears masculine, Stroumsa said. “But that classification threw us off from considering his actual medical needs.”

How can somebody possibly have been "rightly classified" if that classification led to a serious medical issue and a lack of appropriate treatment?

The whole point of distinguishing between male and female in a hospital environment is so that their specific biological needs can be considered.

If people accepted that sex is biological and that men and women don't have to conform to traditional gender roles to "belong" to that sex, stuff like this wouldn't happen.

Changing your listed sex isn't helpful. It's the same as telling doctors you don't have a pre-existing medical condition even though you do. It just makes things harder.

This isn't wokeness, it's the same pink-for-girls-blue-for-boys bullshit that society has always spewed.

No. 411783

Epigenetics causes certain genes to be expressed more then others but the genes still remain the same
a estrogen taking TIMs sperm may have certain genes that would be expressed more then others the genes would still be male

No. 411788

That girl seemed on the edge of tears the whole video. That’s so sad.

No. 411794

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I know it's not a big deal but it's really annoying when artists/designers etc are clearly pandering to these people.
What was wrong with the original (bottom) design? I've been seeing a lot lately even in what I thought were not on the overtly-sjw train.

(side note: tbh it's already the most unnecessary t-shirt design by being so specific. And it would make me think the person wearing it really has no depth to virtue-signal so hard.)

No. 411800

samefag never-mind the brackets since the proceeds go to a charity
Didn't read the full caption

No. 411801

Making a classic stupid NPC slogan even stupider.

No. 411802

Wow you can really tell how horrible and painful this has been for her. Even now you can see it breaks her heart and SHE had to make the "adult" decision and choose to start covering up her feelings for the sake of peace in the family despite being a child who is still negatively affected by her dad's choices. She admits all her anger over it is still there. At least he still is involved in the lives of his seven children though, unlike tons of these guys who troon out and then abandon their families, but it's also then terrible for the women who married them having to lose the person they fell in love with either way but in this case while still living with them.

No. 411808

what a stupid bitch. ' I DIDNT REALIZE MEN ONLY GET 2 WEEKS. WHAAA' shut the fuck up.

No. 411809

How do FTM even get pregnant? i thought T would fuck them up…? doesnt that affect the baby? also, who is having vaginal sex if they're supposedly men?

No. 411812

>pregnancy shouldnt be gendered

>well it's gendered because ONLY WOMEN get pregnant


Wow, this is …sad

No. 411813

trans people infect the medical system and i always, always feel bad for the nurses and doctors dealing with their bullshit. You are either male or female biological. Men and women face different health issues (ovarian cancer vs prostate cancer) fucking idiots

No. 411814

FTM can get pregnant only if their ovaries haven't atrophied enough AKA she still has her period. If she doesn't still have her period, it's more of a fluke pregnancy and it's probably because she was having unprotected sex under the assumption she couldn't get pregnant.

Either way, I think they're recommended that you stop taking T while pregnant.

No. 411815

Wouldnt that go against their 'dysphoria' ? If they are supposedly men, they shouldnt want vaginal sex and only anal sex.

No. 411816

excuse me sweety but its "front hole" sex not vaginal sex

No. 411818

There’s always a chance from getting pregnant from anal if they cum inside, if you’re wet and a little spills out then there’s nothing stopping them from travelling

No. 411842

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I felt pretty sad reading this, too. These people don’t understand that they can’t identify out of their biology, and that they’re already part of the conversation. It’s so sad and backwards. Splitting hairs over the use of the word “women” is the DUMBEST waste of energy while we are faced with crises like this.

No. 411848

They’re the ones who decided to opt out of womanhood in the first place, though. I hope that, as awful as this situation is, it will at least peak trans a lot of people and TiFs most of all. Turns out the terves were right and you can’t identify out of sex-based oppression!

No. 411851

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Still can't believe someone would do this to themselves.

No. 411863

This bullshit right here. If these idiots willingly chose to 'become men' and abandon their womanhood, they dont deserve anything. Real women need help right now with these awful anti abortion laws. and wtf does non binary have anything to do with anything?

If you are a woman and able to get pregnant, and cannot legally get an abortion, that is all the matters. Why are these people making this harder?

No. 411865

oh please, they chose their stance

No. 411869

that is just fucking heart breaking.

No. 411875

I glanced at the thumbnail… Are those neo vaginas or worse? Feeling sick just looking at it

No. 411881

yes, and the person is saying that the have become depress after the surgery

No. 411883

>it's always dirty, smells like shit
>it smells like normal female genitalia
If you think vagina smells like shit compared to dick, why would you want one?

No. 411895

This is why despite all the BS I can't get that angry at the trans community. It's like that story from ancient Rome where a captured solider destroyed his own hand in a fire to show an enemy king how dedicated he was and the king let him go since "you do more harm to yourself than me". Can't even be mad at someone who fucks themselves up on their own accord far worse than whatever you want.

No. 411928

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I think he might need more than that. Fuck.

No. 411929

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which one of you sent him this kek

No. 411939

It really does make me feel better to think about the fact that they're all killing themselves that much quicker with hormones and surgeries, tbqh.

No. 411954

It just baffles me how TRAs have managed to thought police such a huge number of people. Take the abortion debate for example, so many women will bend over backwards to include gender special men in their protest of their reproductive rights being fucked with, meanwhile if anyone cries "all lives matter!" or "where is my straight pride parade??" they're laughed at and ridiculed. It's obvious even the most libfem handmaiden is able to see the ridiculousness men spew sometimes, but when will they see the trans shit is just more pointless man vomit?

No. 411963

The way some women are willing to bend over backwards for these assholes honestly makes me hate them more than the trannies themselves ; women’s reproductive rights and bodily autonomy are being taken away but all they care about is whether or not some men are upset

No. 411992

4thwavenow posted link to album with collected over 700 tweets from TRAs with threats.



In my country they could face from 3 to 5 years of jail, just for saying they "will kill a terf"

No. 412010

Jesus christ, the absolute maleness of it all. What could be more stereotypical than violent hatred of feminists?

No. 412011

I’ve seen so many of these and tweets like them before, but every time I scroll through them I’m just fucking abhorred. Wanting to maim and kill women = feminism, according to these males? And other women support it. It’s bananas.

No. 412043

I used to work at a similar store and we would get actual men applying all the time.
(Not troons, probably just due to how few of them there were in our area, but we did have them as customers occasionally.)
These men would not only just apply, but come in store or call us as a follow-up. My manager would have to word her rejection in a million different ways without outright saying it (legally we can't discriminate based on gender) and they would never get it. How delusional do you have to be?

No. 412055

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Make it even more inclusive and say cis men and trans women shouldn't be making laws about cis women and trans men's bodies, but they don't wanna hear that part

No. 412068

Yes, wonderful, "pregnant bodies" doesn't objectify and demean women at all, just like the crazy side of the abortion-ban supporters…wonderful, great

We are just bodies who are pregnant! Truly inspirational.

No. 412070

When whoever was unfortunate enough to birth this person was pregnant she was a pregnant body

>Hey mom, remember when you were a pregnant body? What was that like?

Literally makes women sound like dead meat on a slab. Horrible language. Shoot whoever wrote that into the sun.

No. 412097

Pregnant body doesn’t roll off the tongue quite as well as incubator does, don’t know why they even bother pretending at this point to see us as anything but

No. 412110

I sure love how third wave liberal feminism has completely thrown women's rights out the window in favor of objectification, sexism, and regressive ladybrain stereotyping. God forbid we speak about sex-based oppression–it might upset the males in dresses who will kill themselves if we don't say their penises are girldicks.

No. 412178

The comments.
>mtfs are entitled to what females get, right? just like how FtMs are entitled to get what men get.
>Wanna know why? Because mtfs (such as myself) are women, and FtMs are men. Women get what women get. Men get what men get ;D
Women get maternity leave for having a child. In their wombs. Which you don't have.

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