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Can we talk about Ray-Ray?
>Blanchard coined the term "autogynephilia" to describe trans women with an erotic desire "to be women," and hypothesized that all gender dysphoria experienced by this group is of two types: "homosexual" gender dysphoria and "non-homosexual" gender dysphoria. Blanchard defined the former as being present in transsexuals attracted to men, while he defined the latter as being present in transsexuals attracted to the idea of themselves as women. Within the transgender community the idea has been criticized. Blanchard's findings and research have been rejected by the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH), the largest association of medical professionals who provides care for transsexual people, as lacking empirical evidence.
Thoughts on him and his typology?
This is bullshit. What's the purpose on a board with a primarily female userbase to usher all "gender critical" discussion to one post? Are the mods trannies?
I would like to continue discussing the topics in the TERF thread without having to scroll through endless images from the transpassing thread. And the discussions in the trans women thread appear to be mostly are blogposts.
I am probably going to drop out of the thread altogether.
>>221286>What's the purpose on a board with a primarily female userbase to usher all "gender critical" discussion to one post?
This. Also wouldn't threads be more active if the moderation was less intense? I get the purpose in /pt/ and /snow/ because it's annoying to scroll through shit posting but /ot/ and /g/ are for discussion and idk about you guys but when I come to these boards, I expect to be reading a lot. I don't think a conversation flows very well if you're being limited to one very specific topic.>>221288
Thirding this, assuming there isn't already one.
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In the last few years many speedrunners have come out as trans. Not sure if people are familiar with it but there's a charity stream on twitch right now that runs for a week called AGDQ, and the amount of transgender runners and commentators is pretty high.
It's definitely a personality type, people who can obsessively speed run games for hours on end day after day
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Someone's theory about autogynephilia in speedrunners
It always amazed me how many have some kind of profession related to computers.
Another thing that struck me after watching Mindhunter and reading about different serial killers, is how many if them engaged in crossdressing in some way or stole women's clothing before their crimes escalated to killing and/or raping women, including saving their body parts.
Got me to thinking about how fetishes are natural but some people take it too far, to the point of obsession. I straight up read have read many comments on 4chan lgbt where they say they didn't develop a hatred for their gender or get dysphoria until they learned about trans issues online or found out what traps are. I saw an article about trans children and the parents said their kid became obsessed with it after finding out about it on Tumblr.
It terrified me how few studies investigate the issue in a long term way, particularly in children. How many of them either haven't come to terms with their sexuality or their body, or how many have other issues like depression or have undergone something traumatic. When I saw this clip, I cant see it as anything other than disturbing.
MtFs that wear tons of makeup and act like a caricature of femininity and think that makes them a real woman.
because gender is learned behavior. i said in a previous thread, but the real stickler that debunks trans is that gender is something you're socialized into. people who fit into stereotypes are fine with themselves because they are conditioned into thinking that gender socialization makes them female. that's why females(women) who have less stereotypical womanly traits think they are wrong or supposed to be men, society conditions people into it. that same society also pushes the idea that yes, not following strict gender stereotypes indeed means something is wrong with you. most people who have dysphoria only do so because of gender/sex association.
the most damning part is that gender stereotypes often differ between cultures, like how in japan being cute and demure and not sexual is desired, in the USA being a ditzy sexually attractive 'grown up' woman is. in fact, the west often criticizes japan's gender stereotypes for infantalization. even physically desirable traits different. in western culture, women who have smaller breasts, less curves often feel manly, even though smaller breasts and a thin, boxier (more ana) body type is desired in places like korea.
when i was younger i thought i was trans because i wanted to be dominant in bed, was aggressive and am tall. i ended up wishing i had a penis and hating my own female body because being dominant is a male behavior. i became a tomboy, started using strap-ons, even with male partners. it was only once i realized that how people wanted me to be had nothing to do with who i was that it stopped. now i am just me, not a tomboy anymore and realizing it's okay to like cutesy things and want to domme men (and women).
i honestly feel like transition is the worst of the worst thing. it just reinforces stereotypes, verifies insecurities and justifies the rigid gender socialization we have. "don't act manly or womanly enough, you have to change it cause it doesn't fit our rhetoric, fill the status quo and get back in line", but it's being done under the guise of progression, liberation and healing. it's a mirror of forced-transition of homosexuals in countries where homosexuality is outlawed. "can't be homosexual, just switch your gender/sex so you can "become" straight", it's sick.
I was so sad for that child when I saw another video of a consultation and the doctor is talking about orgasms and Jazz admitted they never had one, never masturbated, and never "experienced sexual sensation." This is a 17 year old who has never been aroused, never kissed before, and is probably impotent.
I just feel like it's sad that everything in their life is centered on this one thing and I wonder if it's worth it. Jazz has suffered severe depression already and they haven't explicitly stated it (from the limited clips I've seen) but they may be on anti depressants as well. I'm just wondering what part of the "transition" has cured anything. Already so damaged and at such a young age.
My experience was similar to yours.
I was gender confused during my "tween" years and believed that because I liked boy stuff and it seemed like boys had more fun, that I wanted to be a boy. I didn't realize that it was okay for girls to like all these things too. I rejected my "female" side. I went so far as dressing male and at one point even asked my family to call me Mike (they just lol'd and said no and that was the end of that).
Now I've grown up, realized that women and men can both like whatever they want, I've accepted my more feminine traits, and I'm happy with my body. I just really needed someone to sit down and talk to me about these issues.
If I had grown in todays culture, I'd have been accepted as trans, put on hormone blockers/test and potentially messed up my body physically for years to come. While I think that some people transition and it's legitimately what they want, it wasn't the case for me, and I think it probably isn't the case for a lot of people out there. I think a lot of people just need to sit down and really talk about their issues at their roots.
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About the killer thing; nowadays making a movie like this might no longer be possible…
I posted this in the TERF thread before it was merged here.
Transactivists on Twitter successfully lobbied/bullied the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation into cancelling the broadcast of this documentary examining transgender kids.https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2017/12/13/watch-here-the-transgender-kids-documentary-banned-tonight-from-the-cbc/amp/>>221359
Different causes of children desiring to be the opposite sex aside from gender dysphoria are discussed.
similar experience, and really stoked the initial female poster was free to Domme her partners.
i have an older brother and i grew up not understanding gender because i just assumed how he was treated was how i either was t be treated, or would be treated as i got older. i had crushes on boys and girls but was convinced i was a lesbian (didn't know the term nor care about the necessity for one at that age), and was a complete tomboy. i remember having been told not to use the boys bathroom after following my brother, and not to be as "brave because I was not a boy, let the boys do that" and I never knew what being a girl even was until I kept getting told no.
Maybe kids just understand gender is performance, and no one fits the stereotype. Angst over it is normal, but if I had someone online telling me how much happier I would have been as a boy, it would have fucked up my whole life. When you're that young you should be developing your personality, not your gender rigidity.
I still am a closeted lesbian that sleeps with men out of self harm because i dated low-key abusive dudes so i could hang out with their other male friends as a group. it's really fucked up and i wish a fuckload more acceptance was being taught instead of just "switching teams".
and i don't get people's obsession with trannies being misogynistic assholes and the dumb women that support them. it's so hateful and all it does is objectify and humiliate women to the point of being caricatures equated to trash.
Is anyone here from a different culture, and feels especially alienated by trans rhetoric because of it?
My family is from a pretty shit part of Latin America, where like….yeah, femininity and womanhood=prettiness, but really, there's just not enough healthcare and money and education to separate things like forced pregnancy and molestation from the experience of womanhood. Not that that can really be done in the US either, but like….when you have easier access to abortion and school as women, I feel like it's easier for men to be like "oh tee hee, I'm a girl!" because it's not as bound up in the brutal, body-centric shit.
My secret opinion as an Oppressed latina W Oh Cee is that all this gender stuff is the fantasy of men who can afford it. Back where I'm from, there's no way to pretend that being a woman isn't about some degree of suffering. These fucking….wannabe anime princesses who two years ago were straight white gamer boys have absolutely nothing in common with my experience of womanhood. And I feel like I'm fucking suffocating because there's nowhere I'm allowed to talk about this.
This type of shit is why I get absolutely enraged when transwomen say shit like "I'm more of a woman because I had to work for it." Like, fuck you no. That is some seriously fucked up, dismissive, ignorant shit right there. It is even in areas where women have reproductive rights and education, but in a place like where you live it's even more disgusting.>>221417
This movie is actually loathed in the trans community, which is absolutely ridiculous seeing as he's inspired by a real serial killer.
>>221415>If I had grown in todays culture, I'd have been accepted as trans, put on hormone blockers/test and potentially messed up my body physically for years to come. While I think that some people transition and it's legitimately what they want, it wasn't the case for me, and I think it probably isn't the case for a lot of people out there. I think a lot of people just need to sit down and really talk about their issues at their roots.
There's countless people who have been cured of their gender dysmorphia or who consider their lives ruined by their transition, but the media never tells their stories because it's considered offensive. There's articles on this phenomenon and how much of a role censorship plays in furthering the trans agenda. Half of people who get sex reassignment surgery end up strongly regretting it, but you only hear about the "success" stories.
I can't remember her name, but there's this one particularly tragic story of a ftm in Belgium who was euthanized because after her surgery she felt like a monster.
I can relate to this as well. When I was growing up I was tall, deep-voiced, with masculine facial features and masculine interests. Most of my friends were guys and I felt happy cutting my hair short, wearing no makeup and guys' clothes, and being called "dude," "man," "one of the guys" etc. But when I was growing up I'd never heard any of this stuff about gender identity or transgenderism, which I am really thankful for. Because I was never given the idea as a kid that wanting to act/appear like a guy = you can't be a woman and having a female body is wrong for you, it just didn't occur to me to hate my female body. Sure sometimes I'd entertain the thought of what it'd be like to be born male, but I was just allowed to be whoever I wanted to be, regardless of my genitalia or secondary sex characteristics. Because in reality those things don't change your life or your personality. I can only imagine though what a hellhole of self-hatred and confusion I would have fallen into though if I were born a few years later during the heyday of gender identity politics. Almost definitely I would have ended up hating my female identity and feeling compelled to change myself to fit what these gender-essentialist rhetoric says I "should be." It's so damaging to people especially kids growing up today and trying to figure themselves out.
Gonna try to find this. Holy shit.
Every single FTM is in something similar to the "sunken place"
I find them very sad to watch at first then when I see how disrespectful they are to female I just laugh at them
Those MTF are never going to help FTM get dicks lol.
The documentary >>221488
includes a woman who detransitioned who speaks out against encouraging youth to transition.
I've pretty much given up on blacktivism at this point. They make great points about shitty white men, but they throw them away when that white man puts on a dress. Not to mention how hard they work for black men, yet those black men still fucking hate them. Their self-hatred is too deeply rooted for me to fuck with them. I'll tolerate "white feminists" over men anyday.
Ironic as fuck that their men are the ones killing trannies the most too lol
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the iconic DreamWorks face?
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Was anyone else let down by an immense lack of actual female speedrunners at AGDQ this year? I kept the stream going as background noise at some parts, but whenever I'd hear a "she" I'd look over and it'd be some mentally ill guy who makes no effort whatsoever to pass, or stereotypes how a woman looks down to a caricature.
There's been rumor that ProtoMagicalGirl (the guy who almost ruined SGDQ 2017 with his trans shenanigans) is the reason why the Twitch chat is in sub-only mode this year and you get banned from chat for just accidentally misgendering a trans woman on screen, referencing gender at all or using the "wrong" emotes.
While there were a handful of very good runs this year, I dunno if I'll tune in for SGDQ 2018 due to the event becoming more and more about just getting exposure for autogynephiles in dresses and handing out asspats rather than the actual runs themselves.
Pic related is the "women" that were sitting on the couch fir the Metroid Prime 3 run
I was frustrated by this too. I'm also in the indie dev and esports scene, and it's so fucking frustrating. There are so few women, and then you hear "she" and you get so pumped, and….yeah. Then you're disappointed.
I worry that it's going to mean there will be absolutely no movement on like….the pipeline issues here. The only women involved are people who've spent their lives as straight gamer dudes. They were fine being into these things their whole life. Now they fulfill the girl quota, and in the meantime, actual young women continue to be left out and shat on if they get into this stuff at all. Not to even get into the more nitty gritty stuff, like these industries having no concept of like, maternity leave for their employees….
If you're watching this stream why don't you try to join in and dominate it as you'd be the only real woman there
Seriously i see so many things that girls have interests in but trans women just fill them up quickly without a doubt. If you really tried you can probably be the change we need to see
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I think there's some level of clique-ness going on with preference for trans runners making it in. Especially because protomagicalgirl seems to be one of the main organisers.
True, true. Im just saying if you really loved that game and wanted to live the pro gamer~ life you'd be making history in many of these games. Didn't overwatch just get their first woman pro player? >>223300
Damn. That's a shame. Well men support men at the end of the day. I support you anon if you want to be about that life. And I feel like it's really disturbing they don't have a trans category they just decide they want to dominate women's sports whenever they feel like it.
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Over 99% of speedrunners are male. This is primarily due to lack of female cognitive ability to play video games.
Every other reason is secondary.
Women that can play competitive video games on the same level as men are extremely rare.
Personally I fucking lmao whenever some transgender dude enters all-female leagues and dominates them.>>223302>Well men support men at the end of the day.
You must have men confused with women. Men are highly competitive and constantly want to assert themselves higher in the pecking order.
Women are the ones who work like a cartel, collectively trying to increase the economic value of their vaginas, demanding higher and higher costs from men in exchange for access to their vaginas, and shaming any woman that gives away vagina access for too cheap, because it makes the cartel look bad.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
I mean it goes both ways I suppose
I didn't know that about competitive gaming. Gonna check that out. Thank you for the knowledge
I would speedrun if I could, but it's also a matter of time I don't have to actually practice speedrunning, as I'm nearly a full time student. And I just don't know if I would be able to play the same game all day and have little to no other hobbies in my life.
It's not like I haven't been apart of a competitive scene before. I frequented local SSB4 tourneys in the city I lived in and placed decently each time. I was one of the only female participants, and guys there were initially skeptical of my abilities until I started winning consistently.
To get rid of the stigma that "lol gurls aren't good at games" I think that women being present and skilled at the games they play needs to be normalized. Not just women being there for the sake of filling a diversity quota and tokenism, but there to be exceptional at the games they play. There will be many obstacles to overcome that aren't fair, such as an increased risk of potential sexual harrassment, having to work twice as hard as your average male speedrunner to be seen as being his equal and the skepticism and doubt of your own abilities by dumb, sweaty neckbeards. But if skilled women speedrunners were to be normalized, then I believe such a stigma would cease to exist and it would make other women and girls more comfortable to pursue that same goal.
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Would anyone like to discuss pregnant "men" and transactivists raising their children gender- and sex-neutral, such as the Canadian trans couple who refused to name their child's sex on its birth certificate?http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5255385/Pregnant-transgender-man-disgusted-body.html
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Another "gay male" couple who have a biological child together:
I didn't ever dream of having, or wanting to have, a biological child. One, I didn't think it would be possible, and two, it took a long time for me to be strong enough in my identity as a man to be able to do that.
Most trans men don’t have the relationships with their body that would allow them to engage in something that still feels so rooted in femininity. It's something that their mothers did, their sisters did.
I hope that some of that is social, that it isn't an inherent part of being transgender … I hope the negative stigma around it lessens. People won't say, "Well, you're not really a man then." http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4747200/Transgender-man-gives-birth-son.html
no. no general "radfem" imageboard full of these bincel* who actually believe lesbians are out there forcing them to leave their husbands and murder their children, a lesbian terf imageboard.
(*the reason bis get called incels is because they whine and cry biphobia when lesbians say they don't wanna fuck them, and at the same time act as if we've about to force them leave their boyfriends.
at least when straight women have their "evil lesbians want to turn me into lesbians!" psychoses they do not try to force lesbians to fuck them at the same time like bisexuals)(derailing)
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Tag urself fam
What the fuck is wrong with being a tomboy these days?
I don't want to make a sweeping generalization but most who claim to be enbies or any Transgender Lite, tend to be 15 year old girls who like having short hair, wear pants and play video games.
That would make you a tomboy or gender non-conforming kid, damn it!
Either that or those who mistakenly believe they are enbies usually confuse NORMAL BODILY ISSUES that all men and women can be forced to conform as.
Just because you don't like some things about being female, that does not mean you must become male now.
Why are they making a social movement about personality traits that make you, YOU? Why are these people piggy backing on LGBT rights for the "lost rights" because people think your sub-culture is bizarre?
We're sending the wrong message here that if you aren't a feminine woman or a masculine man, then you must be trans.
All it does is reinforce rigid stereotypes we have tried breaking down for years!
It's a bad message to say that a dad can hate his feminine son for crying but he can take pride that his son, now a daughter can cry harder!
Okay so this looks like whoever made it thinks there are """genders""" more feminine than female and """genders""" more masculine than male? Just, why? Did they mention what these fake genders are called or is it just like "we don't need words, shitlord uwu"?
Honestly this is just a spectrum of gender expression, not new "genders". Why are these people so obsessed with labeling everything and forcing everyone into categories? Tomboys aren't any less female than girly-girls just because they choose a different way to live and express themselves. But I guess it isn't spechul uwu enough since it doesn't give you oppression points.
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Really?'Cause personally I've only ran into lesbians treating straight and bi women like shit, then crying lesbophopia when someone calls them out on being assholes. They might be opressed irl, but cause of this they have holy cow status in radfem community. For example, they pull shit like not allowing straight/bi women to have a space to discuss issues related to being in relationship with men (excluding lesbians from your female safe space is lesbophobic!!! reeeEEEEE) or they give unwanted advice ("just give up on romance altogether and focus on female friendships!" while hugging their gf).
Plenty of cool lesbians in the world, but radfem lesbian has a 50/50 chance of being awful.
There are so many people out there trying to divide us as women.
Firstly, people who create fighting over our sexuality. All these debates over what "lesbian", "bisexual" or "pansexual" mean and who fucks who is so pointless. You know what all three have in common? They're all women who date/fuck other women. Getting into the specifics is so pointless because they mean something different to everyone and everyone has their own sexual preferences. Nobody can speak for an entire group and it's fucking stupid to.
Next, the definition of what it means to be a woman. If you were born a woman and with female features, you're a woman. How you dress is irrelevant. If you're trans, you're posing as a stereotype of woman and while I totally appreciate that trans women can experience some of the same problems we face (like catcalling, for example) and I believe everyone should be able to do w.e they want in life, they should never be allowed to dominate a conversation about feminism. Feminism and trans rights are two separate things. The only reason trans people started putting pressure on feminists to accept them and talk about trans issues is because there was no way they were going to get that support from men or MRAs.
All of this gender shit lately is so annoying. The thing is, most of the people partaking in it (or at least in my experience) are women. Which is really sad because it means that women are adopting all of this "asexual, genderfluid, non-binary" shit to escape gender roles and toxic masculinity. It's further dividing us. Trans men don't want to partake in feminist circles because they see feminists as "terfs" (or w.e argument was constructed to cause fighting between us) even though most of what feminists campaign for (abortion, contraception, healthcare etc.) benefits them too. Men partaking in it get to claim that they're an oppressed group now which is such fucking bullshit. I mean can you imagine how the last wave of feminists would react to this shit?
Another big problem is all the conversation over race. Regardless of the colour of your skin or your culture, we're all women. We can talk about our experiences and where we come from without shutting down others from talking because they're "privileged". Women from all walks of life have a shitty time. It's like saying a rich person can't have depression because they're "privileged" and we should cut them off from speaking because there are people of different races/classes/cultures who also have depression and they're more important to talk about lmao. Depression doesn't discriminate, gender inequality doesn't discriminate. Emma Watson recently going on about her "white privilege" irritates me ngl.
So yeah, when you feel compelled to argue with another woman about sexuality or race or gender, stop yourself and remember that we're both women. We all come from different backgrounds and have different experiences but we all have one thing in common. Let's try to become more of a unit again, instead of splitting off into groups and infighting because that's what men want.
Jesus, what's up with that horrible mismatched everything and old running shoes coupled with white socks? He looks like he stole clothes from his grandmother, pearls and everything, but her slightly elevated heels were too uncomfortable for him.
Plus, I can see the horrible diet reflected in his skin and face. He looks like a 60 year old guy instead of a young man.
Nowadays when it comes to the LGBT climate, it's mainly only the T part that has gone batshit insane over the years.
It's mainly them who are causing this insane internal conflict.
The main thing I worry about is that young girls are taking hormones that permanently deform their bodies because this culture teaches them that being a straight "cis" girl is wrong.
And years later down the line they will completely regret the transition.
Same with men. Everyone tries to contribute everything as being signs of trans.
They try to socialize most people in those circles that there is something wrong with heterosexual women when heterosexual women have been Tumblr's biggest users for years. And like you said, invalidate everything they say because they are white.
The saddest thing is, it's women themselves who are trans identifying that tear down other women!
Not to mention men who are trans identifying who are complicit too!
In short, it's basically misogyny and internalized misogyny with a progressive hat.
>>224092>"it's mainly only the T part that has gone batshit insane over the years. It's mainly them who are causing this insane internal conflict.">conveniently forgets that everything after T, most of T, and the ones supporting T are Bisexuals>>223975
Lol fuck 90% of this post, this shit is why I'm not a radfem.
inb4 "it's da ebul bi-hating heterophobic monster from the terf thread!!"
Anon, I don't consider anyone else beyond T part of the LGBT alphabet soup.
Should you really be pinning everything on bisexuals? Or should I have added that tumblr lesbians and bisexuals also tend to be part of the shitfits?
You should, "q*eers" are often just as autistic as Ts.
>Should you really be pinning everything on bisexuals?
Yeah, they are
the ones who originally shit up the community after all. They "I am feel uncomfortable when we are not about me?"-d so hard that it's just BT at this point.
>should I have added that tumblr lesbians and bisexuals also tend to be part of the shitfits?
But anon, 99% of tumblr lesbians are bis larping as lesbians because the word sounds cooler :^)
can we stop with this meme? it's gotten really old…bi people are not causing any problems, they just make people like you butthurt.
also i noticed that everyone who gets butthurt about bi girls is just jelly they can't be lesbian for a while and go het to make mommy happy. haha.
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This is one an example of the very real and harmful problems which result from conflating gender and biological sex or allowing designations of gender to replace those of biological sex in medical documentation.
The NHS has had to create and distribute a pamphlet as part of an outreach campaign to ensure trans people receive necessary health screenings "because individuals are not invited for screening because of the gender they are registered as with their GP. For example, individuals registered as male may not be called for female specific cervical and breast screening, even though they might benefit from it."https://phescreening.blog.gov.uk/2017/07/04/new-leaflet-aims-to-improve-accessibility-to-screening-for-transgender-people/
>>224101>bi people are not causing any problems, they just make people like you butthurt.
Right, let's ignore history and pretend like you guys dindu nuffin because #notallbis!
>also i noticed that everyone who gets butthurt about bi girls is just jelly they can't be lesbian for a while and go het to make mommy happy. haha.
AHAHAHA is that what you guys tell yourselves? "Those mean ol' lesbians are just jelly!! They wish they could suck dick as good me!!" This is why I (and many other lezbeans) would honestly rather die a lonely virgin than date a bi girl.
>young girls are taking hormones that permanently deform their bodies because this culture teaches them that being a straight "cis" girl is wrong.
Shouldn't this be, "this culture teaches them that being a butch lesbian is wrong"?
It's the butch lesbian identity which is being erased by transactivism. See any number of detransitioned women's experiences as references.
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I am an old.
Back in my day, lesbians were comfortable being butch or femme, heterosexual girls and women were comfortable being tomboys, many people across all sexualities played with androgyny, and unisex and cross-gender clothing was both high fashion and marketed to the masses [pic related from Seventeen Magazine, September 1984].
Someone get these enby genderfluid transbian and fakeboi snowflakes off my lawn.
Can't the transactivists see what a disservice they are doing to themselves when they deny their biology when it comes to the health?
The conflation of sex and gender in legislation and documentation (birth certificates, government ID cards, health ID cards, census) is detrimental to everyone on both an individual level and on a societal level.
Why are so many governments in the western world pandering to the trans lobby? They and their allies do not comprise a particularly large voting base.
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anyone else here agree with a lot of what TERFs say but don't consider themselves radfem or even feminist at all? if that makes sense lmao
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Wearing the pink pussy hat at the upcoming Women's March is discouraged for reasons of inclusion.
I despair liberal feminism.https://www.freep.com/story/news/2018/01/10/pink-pussyhats-feminists-hats-womens-march/1013630001/
i can't believe their entitlement. imagine if amputees acted this way about their situations. i know it's just because mtt are so envious of real women and want to wear our skin they get ~~triggered
~~ by literal reality. they just cannot accept reality at all. don't we teach others to accept reality? why not trans people?
>the reality that they are not going to be the sex they way>the reality that SRS is mutilation>the reality that they can and should learn to be comfortable with their own sex and that they can choose to be gender non-conforming
but instead they get fed lies, their delusions get promoted, their egos stroked and their wallets drained by hack doctors. and now they are our problem because they cannot handle any kind of rejection.
fuck this earth.
yea, not being feminist doesn't mean you can't agree with them. if anything this whole trans issue has given me more of a desire to become feminist, or atleast feminist aligned. i am egalitarian by nature so not against women's rights by any means, just more wanting society to change positively for everyone. i still acknowledge concepts like toxic masculinity and honestly i used to be kind of neutral on the trans camp (even though mutilation and stuff bothers me) but i am totally against it now after seeing stuff that's actually taking hold, and some real life experiences…
i don't really dislike men, just how they become due to upbringing, and i don't dislike trans people either, but i feel like they are subconsciously trying to push their sexist agenda from the inside.
So we shouldn't be proud of our genitalia. Lovely. You know what that sounds a lot like? Something that came from the people they're supposedly protesting against. Ironic, isn't it?
This plus the fact that people get triggered
over womb and ovary imagery at abortion rights protests irritates me. PEOPLE WHO GET ABORTIONS HAVE WOMBS HOLY SHIT WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE MARCHING FOR.
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Not exactly trans, but I felt this was too "controversial" to dump off into the bad makeup thread since it would inevitably spark political discussion.
I hate this men with beards and makeup shit all over Instagram. https://www.buzzfeed.com/lindseymetrus/these-men-are-absolutely-killing-this-whole-makeup-thing?utm_term=.cbXKkx5dbo#.mfJ1324POd
Why are we expected to kiss their asses for beating their faces while when we do this shit we get comments like
>why do you have that shit all over your face>do you wear this because you're insecure
Nobody expects a fucking man to have colored lips or long lashes or rosy cheeks, so what purpose does it serve for these men to be doing this? Don't even get me started on how many times somebody tries to bring up ancient Egyptian men wearing makeup or men during rococo France.
>>224235>Nobody expects a fucking man to have colored lips or long lashes or rosy cheeks, so what purpose does it serve for these men to be doing this?
Maybe it's a hobby/something they enjoy doing?
Go back to the 1950's.
i get saying fuck you to gender roles, but just wear makeup that looks good on you. wearing women's s makeup and trying to look like a girl is fucking stupid.
That was exactly my point. Not sure why the other two are salty. Tranny or fag influx?>>224239
I'd love to because then we'd have less of you diseased fuckers running around. :^)
>>224252>doesn't do it to look like a woman
i guess i missed the memo that thick long lashes and bright red lips are in for men.
>presents as masculine
don't you people usually say something like 'hur dur women can have beards too' or something?
One of many detransitioning videos to come.
I don't feel bad for him. Am I supposed to? Just another horny man who decided being a woman is a sexually charged feminime performance act.
It's because people only care about real men. Fuck females, all that matters is that no one hurts Adam's feelings when he chooses to put on matte blue lipstick, a party city wig, and some illfitted clothes from the girls clothing section of walmart and call himself Brittany. >>224182
Again, the government is humoring them because they're men and men always have to get their way.
But men naturally have thicker, longer lashes…
Dress anon, is that you again?
Actually, if you just search for it in youtube, there are quite many of them already
Unfortuatly just not hitting it as big as the 'opposite' vids
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My biggest issue is whenever companies feel progressive, they decide to give a male a woman’s spot in a campaign.
They never decide to just make a new line of completely unisex clothing using men and woman to show how’d they look on different bodies.
They just think “lol let’s put a man in a skirt and make him the face of the new woman’s line”
They would NEVER put a woman in a male campaign unless she’s a sex object because once again woman always have to be progressive and bend backwards to accommodate men.
They did it recently with a fucking drag queen on the Bettie Page underwear line, because oh no getting an ACTUAL woman for a lingerie isn’t progressive enough, let’s get some broad chested gay man.
I see it fitting Bettie Page brand. Back then her BDSM modeling was really transgressive, so I can see why they would put a transwoman or a guy (not sure of his identity) in lingerie.
I agree that making a session with both male and female models would be tons better.
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This was posted to a subreddit about lucid dreaming, and it got upvoted a lot…
He could FEEL his vagina, guys.
Full thread: https://np.reddit.com/r/LucidDreaming/comments/7poxut/as_a_trans_girl_lucid_dreaming_can_help_me_feel/
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>Jazz was put on puberty blockers when he was 4
>he has a micropenis that's 2.5 inches because of this
>he can't do a standard sex reassignment surgery because of the small size, the doctor would have to use part of his colon (and also stated for the first few months his neovagina would have a septic smell)
>to do this, Jazz has to lose 30 pounds
>after this, Jazz has begun extreme binge eating, including driving to take out places in secret with his recently acquired license
>also, he's expressing a sexual interest in other girls despite allegedly being into boys before
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>his mom who started all this shit and put her child on reality tv is discussing how will Jazz take the d with her friends
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>>224265>Makeup should be for everyone not just women.
My issue is is that they do makeup for a female-figured face and don't seem to bother doing it to suit their male-figured face. It's like the horde of non-Asian girls who do makeup meant for Asian faces so they can fit the j-fashion styles. It typically looks off.
A man in mascara, eyeliner, and masculine-centric contour would be hot imo. But this guy looks dumb as shit in full feminine-styled makeup, shadow, wings, and brows. The average male (including gays) don't know a thing about fashion or style in the first place and, in my experience, refuse to ever learn.
>>224489>refuse to ever learn
Oh, but anon remember? They're the ones teaching us! You even see /pol/tards crowing about how men are so superior even in female areas such as fashion (dominated by gay designers) and cosmetics. How men are so amazing that they even make BETTER WOMEN. >>224494
Yeah but god forbid, right? We've got stans itt who need to defend their shopping buddy because fags are an accessory to women whether they'd like to admit it or not.
Idk they can stay terrible at it? Let them look stupid it's not a problem to me and actually really hilarious lmao. >>224496
Because unlike transwomen, most transmen have empathy and first-hand experience of what women go through. Transwomen often were not socialized with women as their equals and they don’t give a shit about us unless we pander or submit to them. We’re viewed as competition or conquests.
Funny how straight men are the ones who actually threaten, abuse, rape and murder transwomen but these “girls” reserve their hatred for ciswomen who they physically and socially overpower. They’ll suck the dick of the man who would just as easily brutalize them and throw their body in a dumpster, but they feel threatened by biological women discussing reproductive health and rights that do not concern them.
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WTF. These people are seriously disturbed.
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Stop shilling for this man, handmaiden.
Are you fucking retarded? I wasn't SHILLING for somebody because I mentioned that others can't seem to tell the difference. I'm this >>224496
fucking anon. Jesus.
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Eh, some of them do. Otherwise why would there be so many straight men out there butthurt about the fact that they were trapped by a transwoman?
>>224644>Otherwise why would there be so many straight men out there butthurt about the fact that they were trapped by a transwoman?
Deadass, a lot of straight men are basically retarded. That's why I said someone drunk or male
would buy it.
>>221359>Another thing that struck me after watching Mindhunter and reading about different serial killers, is how many if them engaged in crossdressing in some way or stole women's clothing before their crimes escalated to killing and/or raping women, including saving their body parts.
Ed Gein especially stands out to me.
He suffered a complex relationship with his abusive mother who forbade him from making friends, but when she died he became obsessed with being close to her. He wanted to ‘become’ her, and therefore wanted to be a woman. He was on the verge of wanting some form of ‘corrective’ surgery, but in the end settled with snatching women’s corpses from the local graveyard, as well as murdering two women, in order to wear their skin so he could ‘become’ a woman and be close to her again. He created masks and gloves as well as a necklace of tongues (and one of clitorises I think?) among other things, but also furniture/home “””decor””” like making a bowl out of a skull and dressing chairs in human skin. Kinda curious about how trans activists would talk about that one…
it's in the drag thread, but i'll give my opinion.
drag is said to 'play' with gender roles, but it simply takes a man doing and extreme stereotype of women. that's not the same thing.
playing with gender roles doesn't simply mean flipping from one extreme to another. plus it's the same as how mtt act as if wearing women's clothing, acting like what they think a woman is and mussing up their genitals makes them a woman. drag queens think that by portraying a stereotype of femininity, they are infact portaying women.
also the drag community is still men and they still have more privilege than women. drag is meant to jokingly mock female stereotypes, but men aren't the group that should be doing that, because they don't experience the damage it does first hand. maybe it's not offensive, but it's certainly in bad taste.
another argument i hear is that they're doing it for themselves, but they're not, transvestites do.
Drag queens say that their performances satirize what is expected of women in western society. Is this genuinely their motivation or are they being disingenuous? If it is intended as satire, what does it achieve?
In contrast, drag king performance works as satire because it mocks patriarchy.
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It was a belt made of labia, I think. He'd kept it in a shoebox, salted it, and spray painted it silver to try to get them to keep and not go bad. Considering they were from corpses I have no idea how they'd remotely begin to stay fresh. His mom, should be noted, was also exceptionally religious and taught him that all women were whores. Consequently his victim Bernice Worden was almost identical to his mom in age, build, hair color, etc. He went after older women almost exclusively.
Ed is interesting to me. He was considered a very calm and unassuming patient once he was in the institution, but I recall reading something written by one of his day nurses (who fit his type) that she wanted to be transferred away from him as he was continually eyeing her and grinning. Which is creepy. Photos of his kitchen, taken when he was finally arrested were the inspiration for the house in the Texas Chain Saw Massacre.
Meanwhile, mommy's room was kept perfect and pristine, like a shrine.
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Disorganized mind on display. This is the least disturbing photo of his kitchen but look at the trashy detective mags on the floor. These mags were fucked; one to three stories of irl rape and murder with accompanying photos. No skull bowls or shrunken heads on display, still upsetting to look at.
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Dropping a couple of links which may be of interest; one is a new face, the others very old. Both are AGP, bother very dangerous predators. The first is still a teenager who has already been investigated by the FBI for threatening to shoot up his school. Isn't he a pretty princess?http://sandrarose.com/2018/01/men-like-madison-hinton-ryan-terry-danger-real-women/https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2013/04/09/into-the-mind-of-kosilek-graces-daughter-a-book-review/
I rec gendertrender to anyone who's gone peak trans, also 4th wave now. Both sites are excellent.
I've heard them say shit like 'I'm no different than a woman who had to have a total hysterectomy'. Except for, y'know, developing in the womb as female, chromosomes, and being bathed in hormone until said hysterectomy? Like what the fuck are they even on about?
That one especially fucks me off.
Yes!! And they do that with intersex people too.
It's maddening and I wish those groups would call them out for it more but they're too busy dealing with you know, their actual problems. I just hate that the trans community uses them as a "Gotcha!"
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UK anons how do you feel about this?
>trannies shouldn't have to look at upsetting documents
when we all know that trannies love to jerk it in a rage over their triggered
They do shit like this so often… They also like to compare themselves to black women to try and guilt people into sleeping with them (i.e. you not fucking me because i have a dick is literally the same thing as not fucking someone because they're black, you raycist!!). It's racist as fuck, it's like they don't see black women as real women. Black women don't choose
to be black, but these guys do choose to crossdress. It's always white trancels who say it too…
Also bringing up the argument, "there are also hairy cis women, are they also not allowed into your bathrooms?!" I never ever met a real woman, no matter how ugly, fat or tall whom i would have mistaken for a man
Sorry for blogpost, but i'm from a small village in the middle of nowhere in europe and i once encountered a mtf in the bathroom of a restaurant. I'm 5'10 and still, he was a head taller, shoulders like a bodybuilder, male clothing, only 'female' thing was shitty makeup.
I'm young so at least i've seen pics of trans people on the internet, but any older woman would've been terrified…
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AGDQ and SGDQ has been going down the toilet the last 3 years mainly because Protomagicalgirl (a tranny) is running the show. How many male speed runners have transitioned over the last 3-4 years and suddenly the event is 'family friendly' and has a huge 'ZERO TOLERANCE WILL GET YOU BANNED' policy.
it's crazy. I'm a huge gamer and woman who wants to see real ladies playing, but this year we had one woman from Germany speedrunning bloodborne and that was it.
The March happened in D.C recently and tons of trannies were crying about inclusion and too many women marching about their vaginas. i'm so baffled. Isn't that the legit thing we're fighting against? it's like vaginas trigger
trannies and we have to censor ourselves.
Mtf trannies have a lot more in common with trump than they probably think
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What do you girls think of passing mtf's like Emma Ellingsen?
She really passes (including having a female voice) and looks more feminine than most CIS women.
I don't believe she's a cow or snowflake, but curious since a lot of anons say that mtf is always obvious.https://www.youtube.com/5eq8keXo1Ck
That's the thing - trannies are spottable even if they get a ridiculous amount of surgery and take hormones from a young age.
They look like hollywood instagram models / blowup dolls to the nth degree. Not real, "organic" women. None of these stupid cunts are making themselves out to look like Susan B Anthony, are they?
They looked photoshopped, plastic, relying on only the hollywood aesthetic ideals of what a woman would should look like and be. Just a layer of varnish over a shit personality.
They're so impressionable and weak minded it makes me sick.
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Who would want to look like this…?
I think the point that anon was trying to make is that they want to look like their shallow ideas of what women should look like instead of real women.>>225219
Idk dude, it's not hard to tell he's a tranny either (especially in unshooped pics). Jazz didn't go through male puberty either, but look at him now lmao.
Doesn't matter that some people are too stupid to tell what his sex is, it still doesn't mean he's a girl.
Can someone repost that screenshot from /lgbt/ saying something like "why do transwomen pass better than lesbians?" with a pic of mags? I think I found the guy who wrote it lol.>>225230
He's only 16, of course he doesn't look like a man yet. I was talking about that Petras guy.
Imo she still looks like a woman because even though she has a big masculine face it's due to being a bit overweight.
Males like >>225230
have just as big of a face despite being skinny. It's all about the skulls. Skull and bones structure.
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Cat ear hats bad, penis signs good, apparently. >>225230
Looks like an adolescent boy who has has taken hormones and covered their face in makeup. >>225242
I literally hit peak trans the first time I browsed /lgbt/
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CIS should only be allowed on lolcow if we are discussing the Star Wars prequels.>>225246
My lack of surprise is almost unbelievable. Transwomen and third wave feminism are both such a cancer.
I'm not even surprised /lgbt/ is filled with trannies tbh. 4chan in general is pretty male dominated. I thought i saw a few lesbian threads years ago, but that's long gone now. >>225206
I think this is sad. he's obviously a gay man, but his parents were okay with him taking hormones from a young age. I honestly feel bad for really young trans people. Like, this shit is a sick phase.
>She really passes (including having a female voice) and looks more feminine than most CIS women.
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More womens march fun. This woman stood out at one of the marches holding this sign. Naturally, it was posted online and is getting all sorts of comments, both on her side and against it. This Twitter has some choice screencaps, including the tired "One of us must have stole her man", "fuck TERFs", and threats of actual violence. There's also a link to the Facebook page with the original post and the comments.https://twitter.com/MeghanEMurphy/status/955227606688792577
Nothing brings people to your side like threatening them and calling them names!
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Racist tranny from the Buzzfeed video upthread makes typical intersectional feminism posts bitching about women daring to talk about their bodies in a movement by and for women. He also appropriates and completely misuses Times Up, a movement against sexual harassment, in the process.
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Better question is, why do homely bulldykes still look more obviously female than trannies after 25 surgeries and 10 pounds of instathot makeup? I'd be salty too tbqh.>>225230
Nice male hairline at age 13. What trannies fail to understand is that they age like men. Even based Andreja Pejic is starting to look more and more brickfaced despite her god tier trap genetics and non-existent balls.
Tfw bio female and my hairline is worse than that
Pick a better nitpick, anon. ):
My hairline is way back like that, too. Some bio women just have really high foreheads.>>225276
Same. You'd think people would be waking up to clickbait bullshit reporting by now, but nope.
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Posted from that Twitter exchange.
If you do not biological males dictate matters they have never and will never experience (and have sexual ownership over you), you are literally a Nazi.
These women-haters are so frightening. They don’t want equality. They want dominance.
The national newspaper of Norway published an article about a man that wants to be a woman. This individual is clearly not sane. Here's a summary of the things written in the article
>Cut off his own balls himself in his bathroom. Flushed them down the toilet.>Later on tried to cut off his penis but only wounded himself, was sent to hospital. The same day he was released he was admitted again, after managing to cut off his penis. He also flushed it down the toilet.>He doesnt have an vagina nor a penis. He only has his urethra sticking out, which he has also tried to cut off.>Has spent half a million Norwegian krones on plastic surgery, which includes four nose jobs. This money comes from welfare.>Has suffered from orthorexia and bulimia.>Has OCD, which includes him having to look at the washing machine the whole time he's washing his clothes "in case something goes wrong". Also won't let anyone be alone in his apartment, not even his boyfriend.>Has been married three times.
This is the article for all of you who can read Norwegian.https://www.nrk.no/trondelag/xl/holdt-ikke-lenger-ut-a-vaere-mann-_-skar-av-seg-penis-og-testikler-1.13824841>>225230
He only resembles a woman because he started hormone blockers and he had fillers at 15 lol.
And they wonder why we don't want to share a bathroom with them! Lol!
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The google translated english version is just about readable, for non norwegian speakers. What a mess.
Side note on lesbians not being attracted to trannies: This picture is a good example of how their bodies and actual women's bodies differ. Someone who looks like pic related just reads as drag queen to me, even with the pectoral bolt ons. The waist/rib cage/shoulders/neck are everything I'm not attracted to.
The makeup and tits can never disguise the fact that this is a male body. That belongs to a mess of a human being who clearly can't manage life, why should anyone feel pressured to fuck someone like that?
I feel like tranny logic is super close to incel logic.
>>225372>I feel like tranny logic is super close to incel logic.
you'd be right cause it's the same logic
>weh why won't lesbians fuck my dick?
putting a fucking bow in their hair doesn't change the argument.
Like, certain incels figured out that the only they can get close to women again is by pretending to be a fake woman. "They hate me so I'll shave and put makeup on and high heeeeeels because laydee brain and then they'll talk to me!"
It's so desperate. The logic of the cotton ceiling is one hundred percent incel logic.
This is one of the comments in the Facebook comments section of the news article. This was in response to someone saying they hope the man in the article gets the help he needs.
"Women with vaginas can go to hell, trans people have been WAY more oppressed than biological women. Trans women have been women their whole life and they have to fight to be women."
doesn't matter if it offends them, since they aren't women and he's straight it's only natural he wouldn't want to do anything with an MTT.
why do trans folx think they're opressed because people who aren't even interested in their sex won't fuck them? they really are incels.
lmao now TERFs are Nazis
also this person sounds a bit aggressive- a very male trait
>>225390>trans people have been WAY more oppressed than biological women
Biological women are sold off to perverts as children and are used as baby incubators and little more else. Biological women have their vaginas mutilated by men, simply because they have vaginas. Biological women are sometimes abandoned as babies, or have parents who very blatantly favor their sons.
But yeah, transwomen are more oppressed. Okay. These people are so fucking selfish, they can't see beyond their mentally ill noses. All of the abuse they get, biological women get even worse.>>225305
The word nazi has lost all meaning and impact. Just like the words racist and privileged, it means "person I don't like".
One thing I was laughing about from India's stint in the house was that people kept misgendering 'her'. And bear in mind these were all people who didn't know 'her' pre-transition, yet they still kept slipping up and saying 'him'.
It must hurt deep down to know that no matter how much surgery and make-up you have you will never really
be seen as a woman, you'll always be a man playing dress-up.
Sounds like you were bad at picking friends. I'm not sure what would have been appealing about them before. First with the mass transitioning thing but also with them not respecting your beliefs. Also sounds like you need a new group of friends.
I'm not a thread regular and I'll probably be crucified for saying this here, but I think you can have friends transition and not have them go crazy. My friend transitioned, and I thought they were going to hate me for my beliefs and cut themselves off. But because they are an open minded person, we can still be best friends even though they know I don't really believe in the whole trans thing. In fact we became better friends after they transitioned (due to other circumstances in their life that bought them in closer physical proximity with me).
Now I believe if both parties really value their friendship then they will put their differences aside. It really is possible. Otherwise it just wasn't meant to be.
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So some guy’s 6-year-old girl came out to him as trans (??) and he’s dressing her up like a boy, already changed her name and plans to have her take puberty blockers and hormones.
He goes to post it on r/FTM asking the mentally ill how they wish their parents had enabled their mental illness as kids. And then writes this:
>This is a good callout; what I actually have a hard time containing is my excitement. I absolutely love LGBT diversity and I'm so excited this has become part of his life. But like I said, I don't want to bias him with my social justice overcompensation. I was raised in a super conservative religious home and did a 180 from all that, and I can be a little ham-fisted in my zeal at times. I like the fact that this is all so normal for him; he's never known a world where LGBT stuff isn't mentioned in the same breath as "some people have blue eyes, some people have brown, some people have white skin, some people have black skin" etc etc. He'll learn about intersectionality and the struggles of the world some day, but not at age 6 :)
So the Dad just happens to love
the LGBT community? This sounds like the weebs on Gaia who used to say they were going to force their sons to be gay because they love their yaoiz.https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/comments/7s6s7y/my_6yearold_child_just_came_out_as_trans_help_me/?st=jcqr333s&sh=728b393f
I found it posted on /lgbt/ in the “FTM General” where someone said its “corny but uplifting”. Pic relate is a FTT’s response to someone criticizing the article. Figures.
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Reminds me of pic related: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5185209/An-entire-family-four-transgender.html
This is fucked. These kids are being sterilized and having their bodies fucked up for life because of their shitty parents and miserly doctors. Makes me wonder if people are going to start debating whether or not a child can consent to things like sex or marriage again… That might be reaching, but considering how many TRAs and other liberals are now okay with "MAPs" (literal pedophiles) and Islam, I wouldn't be surprised.
lmao, as if this is what the struggling NHS is wasting fucking money on. We've spent millions on Gender Identity Clinics and now we're chasing after self-entitled trannys begging them not to die of cervical/breast cancer.
Fuck them, let them miss the irregular cells, if it's more important to be called "he/him" than it is to actually be alive. jfc
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Just thought i would post this, may give some of you a chuckle
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Its funny they come out with shit like this yet when you ask them to define a woman they cant and just continue to say "anyone who identifies as one".
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Out of curiosity, what is lolcow's opinion of Miranda Yardley? Or transwomen TERFs in general?
Is it possible for a tranny to not be problematic?
Yes and no.
They specifically use the word 'evolved' to make themselves seem enlightened or better than cis women.
Then, they go on to talk about how they can understand men better than cis women, which is a subtle way of implying that they not only make better women but better feminists.
That's so scary. Kids at 6 have no clue what gender or gender identity is!! wtf. I played with x-men and g.i joes and was a huge tomboy, but i'm still 100% love that i'm a woman. It's sick to put an actual CHILD on hormones and blockers, basically ruining their bodies before puberty.
This is horrendous.
I've lost my older group of friends as well because they even though they weren't black, they got obsessed with BLM and trans rights and it scared me. I'm openly gay (a woman/lesbian) but it was scary how if i didn't agree with pushing the trans agenda, i wasn't supporting trans people. I've been called an alt-right nazi before even though i consider myself very centric and left leaning. It's sad that there is a hive mentality going around when it comes to not 100% supporting trans people and wanting children to transition/etc.
Just get better friends, anon
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Alright so we have a cousin who claims to be lesbian and trans. We are skeptical. She has so little sense of identity she latches onto whatever external label she can. We would be fine with her being les or trans if we thought it was authentic. You know how Kanadajin was first obsessed with Japan and then converted to Islam? My cousin is that type of personality. She came out the day after my sister came out and came out as trans after following activists Insta. We think this is being bolstered by some toxic friends who are using her for her money, she got an insurance payout and is very loose and generous with the cash. She is renting out an apartment for them, of course they want to keep her around. They convinced her to turn her backs on her family, who are obviously devastated. She said they weren't supportive but of course they were skeptical . . . she never behaved or expressed discomfort with her gender or sexuality.
She is still however, on friendly terms with me. I'm one of the only people from her old life she still likes. I wouldn't care if she really was lesbian or trans (though I doubt it) but I'm wondering if its still possible to save her from these vipers who have convinced her to abandon her family, pay their rent and to drop school/work (she is living off this insurance money). I'm thinking once her payout runs out they will drop her, hopefully. She is SUPER suggestible, SUPER conformist and apparently easily manipulated. Her personality isn't changing but maybe she can fall in with a different crowd for her to conform to. Any ideas? I'm wondering if I can get her into a Unitarian church oror Mormonism or Vegetarianism or something.
Sorry if this seems off topic but I think it demonstrates how this gender discourse can be detrimental to certain types of personalities. If she hadn't started following LGBT activists we doubt she would be in this position.
After two years dealing with my own sorry ass, quitting my upper management job, drinking too much, dealing with a couple of mental health issues I finally started school again for the first time in ten years last fall. I failed. I had a panic attack at school and couldn't get my ass to go back all last semester. I was so afraid. If I go back, will it happen again? It took six months but I had my first class again today. No panic attack, and I actually understood the subject and got a high grade on a test we had. I'm about to turn 28 and I finally see a light in the end of the tunnel. I might actually be able to quit my meds this summer, and if I manage to do that, and graduate, Me and my man might finally ready to have a baby. I'm so grateful I don't have a personality disorder or anything close, but it's been a long and tedious fight. I'm so ready to grow up. I hope ya'll are doing ok, and that you keep positive. I'll do my best, I hope you can too.
Woman isn't a feeling. Come back when you learn to question what men say instead of accepting it at face value.>>225325
He got elective rhinoplasty cause he was paying the plastic surgeon lol. I'm terven but I'd probably call a tranny a woman for a couple hours for $10,000.>>225588
Most of them are heterosexual and autogynephiles. Being feminine gets them off. Cause they think it makes them a woman.
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My issue with transwomen is how, most of the time they sexualise being a woman and I am increasingly find them sexualising being a little girl and being bitter about not being a teenage girl because they think its like some fantasy porno when most teenage girls experiences are awful.
Then they have the gall to be disgusted for being called agp.
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because it's a fetish, mtfs sexualize every single thing about woman/girlhood.
article was called "first time breastfeeding my daughter"
>>225845>That smeared gross lip colour
He's basing his entire values on what makes someone 'femme' on superficial stuff like instagram makeup and tweenie fashion accessories, but he can't even be bothered to learn how to do those things right.
This shit is so disgusting and harmful to everyone. When can the gender critical revolution finally start?
This article is so fucking creepy. Some quotes:
>There's a weird but surprisingly common notion that trans women's breasts aren't "real." When I told people about my plan to breastfeed, the most common reaction from both laypeople and medical professionals was "Wait, you can do that?"
>Having breasts was great, but using them to feed another human being? That was magic. Specifically, it was mom magic. I might have been my daughter's sperm donor, but breastfeeding was how I knew I was going to be a mom. It validated my womanhood as much as any surgery ever could.
> The baby didn't come on schedule, so we induced two days later, followed by a grueling three-day labor that ended in an emergency C-section. By that point, I'd gone from producing an ounce of milk to only a cc or two, and my partner's milk was going to take days to come in. The lactation consultants in the hospital were uninformed and singularly uncooperative. We had to start supplementing with formula. A few weeks later, we both gave up on breastfeeding and switched to formula completely.
>So if our plan was an abject failure, why am I gushing about breastfeeding? Because when they pulled my daughter free of my wife's body, I was the first one to hold her. I took her back to the hospital room and did what any mom would do—I put her on my bare chest and let her find my breast. And that tiny, perfect creature latched onto me, and got what sustenance my body could provide, and was content.https://www.thestranger.com/queer-issue-2017/2017/06/21/25225867/my-first-time-breastfeeding-my-daughter
This is honestly disturbing. And upsetting. I'm glad for the sake of that baby their efforts to breastfeed didn't work.
But this is just upsets me. My experience with breastfeeding was a heartbreaking painful ordeal (which it is for a lot of other mothers). Fuck this LARPing asshole fetishsizing something that's painful and intimate for women.
Also the fact he basically stole that baby from his wife the moment it popped out and then forced it to his hairy manboob to feed makes me gag. What the actual fuck. She did all that work, she should be able to HOLD and bond with that baby because it's HER moment. Not his.
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Why don't these guys just admit they're gay and want to fuck men? it's actually sad.
A) They wouldn't be speshul and get oppression points, especially since most of them are white incels
B) They wouldn't get to take advantage of female spaces and tax payer money
C) They wouldn't be able to reflect any and all of their sexism, racism, pedophilia, rape, bizarre fetishes, and/or other gross shit with "transphobia!!!"
and D) Like >>225649
said, most of them are heterosexual autogynephiles
What do you guys think of this dude?
He has a pretty good attitude and lacks a kind of preachy way that most trans people have but replaces it with a kind of flippancy that can also be hard to stomach.
I do admit that in his video, by ignoring bad eggs in the trans community, he doesn't really paint a good picture of himself. And it would have gone down better accepting that those people exist first.
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I assume you've all seen the pic of the tattooed black dude holding a sign saying "trans women too" at the womens march? Well, Mic, a site as unbiased as Buzzfeed, did a video with him.https://twitter.com/serenajazmine/status/956537207929671680
Someone asked him on his Tumblr if he cares about trans men, and naturally, the issue is sidestepped entirely.
Because he's a fag who would rather live as a woman than deal with his own fucked up homophobia. Of course, he'll play dress up as a woman, but he'll always take the time to trash real women.
I like how he brings up circumcision. "Because women get circumcised, apparently" in a sarcastic voice. You're right, we do. And unlike male circumcision, female genital mutilation has actual real negative effects. I've yet to ever hear a man cry about how he's "lost feeling a bloo bloo bloo" because he's been circumcised.
And the draft? That shit hasn't been used in 45 years, honey. If you're gonna go "it's been illegal to pay men and women differently for 50 years", then I can go "We haven't used the draft in 45 years, and we have no plans on reinstating it." Plus, some women can absolutely get drafted too.
>>226182>All I want is to be accepted by my school for who I am – a girl – and be able to take gym and use the locker room to change clothes like the other girls in my class.
Like this is what I don't get about this debate, the comfort of one person should trump the comfort of hundreds of young girls? You never hear about F2M trans people complaining about this. You know why? Because only men feel angry over there being spaces for only women.
It's like the all-female Wonder Woman screenings or the all-female music festival in Sweden. Who got pissed off about them? Men. M2F trans people can't stand the fact that there's a space for women only and they're not invited. They're only kicking up about this for the same reason men kicked up about WW and the music festival, because they hate women and they want them to feel uncomfortable.
I remember arguing with someone on here about how SRS/HRT/transitioning is a bad treatment for trannies. That should be obvious, but they kept denying it and insisting that therapy never works, transition is the only way to help dysphoria. I finally found this article again:http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
>Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.so now i can finally sleep well and say i won da argrument uwu.
Seems like it only makes things worse, trannies are full of shit both figuratively and literally (https://bmcmicrobiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2180-9-102
tl;dr neo-vaginas smell like shit, are prone to bacterial infection, necrosis, and mold, and some uncontrollably leak bowel mucus). I'd probably kms too if I had to painfully dilate my smelly, inverted penis every night. Don't even get me started on the weird flesh-tubes FTMs get… Someone might've said this before, but they look like water wigglies made from human skin.
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>>226197>"Because women get circumcised, apparently" in a sarcastic voice. You're right, we do.
oh really, you do? i didn't know they routinely circumcised female babies in the usa like they do it to male babies
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Now, it was unexpected. So, he is a Russian then. What do they do to Russian immigrants in Norway so those cut their balls in the bathroom?
>Den transsibirske jerndamen
we never said it was in the USA, FGM is a big thing in africa and the middle east in some places in south asia, and it has worse effect than american male circumcision, not to mention women are more likely to die from it than male circumcision and the fact communities will treat women inhuman is they dont have their clit cut off
while I think both things are wrong, ignoring fgm and insisting it doesn't happen and how its not as bad won't do shit for the anti circumcision clause.
it's not about being right or wrong, it's simply not how you write a serious article.
that part where he quotes dworkin and tries to explain the phenomenon of the popularity of cute anime isn't even that bad, even of overdramatized, but then he switches into blanchard's stuff which legitimacy he doesn't try to question despite blanchard was widely criticized for not covering the whole specter of the cases of gender dysphoria…
not sure what to think about that part about differently pitched baby cries and fetus kicking, the author didn't clearly express what he meant i.e. either male babies have stronger kicks and differently pitched cries by nature or they are only perceived like that, either way it doesn't look any related
It's pretty funny then that when in >>226197
you speak about men being drafted you say that they weren't drafted for 40+ years in the USA, but when you speak about circumcision in the very same post it's suddenly implicitly not the USA, but Africa that matters, because there is no female circumcision in the USA, but it exists in Africa. There is a lot of countries with the active draft too then, you know.
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No shit about Andreja. That's a dude, my dudes.
Valerie Solanas, like Shumalith Firestone, had Paranoid schizophrenia, and shot Andy Warhol.
You want to be female Elliot Rodger? Eat it up.
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This fucking asshole.
Here's a guy who is, you know, a guy, and is wearing makeup contoured for masculine features. I think he looks amazing.
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i mean, if the shoe fits
The hysteria about how people 'present' has always been around, and it always happens in cycles (think Isabelle Eberhardt or Adah Isaacs Menken for turn of the century) but it's the current cycle that's so frustrating, especially if you're a little older and recall people like Boy George, or Annie Lennox, who were genuinely off putting and 'freakish' to normie olds of the time. They were dealing with the religious and the right wing, but most people I knew accepted them and were even excited by the way they chose to present themselves. Here's why. They were beautiful. It was important to them to be beautiful. Now all people do is celebrate ugliness, whether it's that fucking dude upthread who is just a piece of shit, or shitty artists on tumblr with their stretch marks and fat and mastectomy scars and unshaved legs and fuck off lol.
I was an Annie Lennox clone in the late eighties and early nineties and I'm a boring ass vanilla het chick. I'm certain that I would have been transed if you took 1991 me and dropped me into current year. I don't inherently loathe genderqueers. What I do loathe is their emotional ugliness towards other people, their actual physical ugliness, and their insistence that we should, at all times, know and/or give two shits about their sexuality. I don't care about it. I mean that. Most people don't think that your sexuality or your fetishes are the defining characteristic of who you are as a person. Most people think that's kind of tacky, if not flat out mental illness.
The shrieking and stridency of trannies and genderspecials on tumblr is the flip side of the narcissism coin. They can't fathom that you wouldn't think that their sexual identity isn't the most precious aspect of their existence. Gays and lesbians know that their sexual preferences aren't the most important or interesting thing about them. It's just another thing. Troons want it to be the only thing.
Honestly, when I see shit like trannies going in on women who've had cancer, who've had to go through what is essentially castration, because they had ovarian cancer or uterine cancer, being snotty MALE pricks and saying that they're more woman than those people…it's fucked, but those assholes should neck themselves and make the world a better place. Since they kill themselves whether or not they transition, do it now and get out of the way before you do more emotional damage to people.
I'd rather deal with a straight or gay guy trying to fuck with me than some tranny trying to politically power bottom all women into being handmaidens for their crazy. Seriously, fuck off with that.
Identity politics is quickly becoming unacceptable to normies, all because of the insanity of trannies. You can't base a political movement on fetishes. You also shouldn't expect respect for fetishes, and it's confusing that so many people REEE about that in particular. Putting on a woman skinsuit and jerking off to your image in the mirror is not exactly screaming stability.
If you can convince the world that it's awwww right! to sell out for an easy ride you'll sell out for any shitty political ideology that comes along. Like identity politics and trannies and all the other bullshit.
Women are strong. Getting them to live in a state of critically arrested development–sorry but sugaring and daddies are a fucked way to live–is part of controlling them.
Agreed. It's a feminist issue and second wave and radical feminists are critical of exchanges for sex and opposed to legalised prostitution. Gender identity isn't a factor except for in the minds of transactivists who insist that crimes against MtT prostitutes are inherently worse than those against women because MtT always have it worse than women
Whom are you replying to?
Ironically the comment you linked to is in an old robot containment thread.
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you saw the thread on pol too eh kek.
Can they not distinguish between putting on a fucking dress and being a woman? What about butch women who dress like lumberjacks?
I've always thought of being trans as some kind of mental illness. Yes they need help but I'm not sure if what we do now is the right way? Tumblr seems to be cancerous
>>226814>Can they not distinguish between putting on a fucking dress and being a woman? What about butch women who dress like lumberjacks?
According to them butch women are really transmen. For a group who are a about "breaking the gender binary" they are the group which inforce it more than anyone else
>Tumblr seems to be cancerous
For once this isnt from tumblr, this person is a "civil right activist" who was first noticed after being put in charge of an lgbt group and got backlash as everyone thought they were an obvious troll. Heres their websitehttp://www.daniellemuscato.com/
>>226807>that fat tumblrina body>obligatory tattoo sleeve>that 40-year-old unmarried accountant face
Is he trying to be the personification of a midlife crisis?
Also those fucking framed photos of women in bathing suits, he probably thinks he is hot shit and looks like them.
>>226763>new generation of women thinking sex work is cool and empowering
It's fucking sick because we're still living in an era where sex trafficking is a huge problem but "sex positive" feminists deny that's going on because it "affects business". Why do these assholes think that they're more important than people actually being sold into slavery??? It doesn't matter, degenerate men are going to pay to fuck you whether you've been trafficked or not. It enrages me when I see articles about "dispelling the myths of the sex industry!" with no warning to say that it's just one highly-privileged, first world individual's experience.
Same goes for sugar babies. I hate how it's being promoted as a cute hobby. There's a huge power imbalance between a rich, older man with a good reputation and a rando teen girl struggling to pay college fees. All these misleading online sources are encouraging young women to get into something that's really dangerous.
Completely agree. Sex workers -from porn stars to glamour models - are enforcing an industry that is controlled by men and therefore will always benefit them (whether they agree or not). Women would actually be doing more to fuck up the patriarchy by becoming ridiculously private about their sexuality. Imagine if ALL levels of sex work just completely disappeared… >>226814
Being trans IS a mental illness, and recognising that isn’t hateful. If you were this adamant about being a monkey or something you’d be eventually be put in a psychiatric hospital.
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Was scrolling through a random blog when this popped up.
The person answering this is 27 and in a ‘gay’ relationship with another trans guy.
excerpt from someone else's blog, but I thought it described the state of things better than i ever could;
"Women shouldn’t have to prove anything, including a “shared girlhood,” to be able to meet and organize with other female-born persons without being harassed. The fact that liberal feminists are buying into this idea–that without a universally shared experience, it’s illogical and bigoted for a group to be able to define itself and exclude non-members–is a sign of how far feminist analysis has fallen since feminists started “doing” feminism online.
Why has this happened? Because the internet’s the ultimate proving ground that women talk differently when they have to talk around men and be subject to men’s criticisms all the time. The changes that have occurred to feminism since feminism became part of the blogosphere have been the exact kinds of changes you’d expect to see when women are having to do feminism in front of men. The environment that the second wave operated in was, in some ways, shitty for what it excluded, because the fact that feminist monographs, zines, and so forth were being distributed primarily among white, middle class women left a lot of women out. However, men also basically didn’t give a fuck (except when they were reacting with horror to out of context bits of Intercourse), so women in academia were left to talk and debate about feminist issues without constant comment and intrusion from men declaring a need to be heard and dialogued with.
The internet changed all that. Now, everything has to be released male-ready–or else. Positions determined to be too radical are sanded down, and it’s de rigeur for third-wave feminists to angrily declare that they’re not like those other feminists who are mean and nasty to men, the man-haters, the bra-burners, the TERFs, the Andrea Dworkin, whoever’s the boogeyman identified by men in the comments sections and subreddits where women are trying to do feminism today.
So again and again, you see women taking pains not to offend any men with what they write, because we know what happens to women who write on the internet–especially, gracious me, under their own name!–and who don’t toe the party line. Talk about sexism in video games, get rape threats. Talk about feminism and the oppressiveness of gender roles, get rape threats.
That’s the part where men’s comments shape the third wave. Then, there’s this little deal with the devil that no one talks about: if you can keep the perfect balance of angry about issues that make everyone angry while still making sure everyone sees you’re still buying into the basic tenets of patriarchy, you can shout “this is what a feminist looks like!” and get a book deal. You can have a life where you make a living by blogging and talking about feminism, today. There are plenty of people willing to schedule “empowering” visits from feminist women and pay reasonable sums for the privilege. There is, of course, also a catch: you have to make your feminism palatable enough and positive enough that it acquires the air of a TED talk. Feminism becomes tamed from something revolutionary, offering the possibility of systemic change, to something that is merely performative and about individual empowerment and choices.
When feminism is subjected to market forces and incessant male intrusion, it becomes the third wave: happy to decry the patriarchy, as long as it never gets upset about any of the bits where patriarchy makes you spend more money or be more available for sex. Decry not the expense of a wedding or the idea itself, but the whiteness of the dress and its implications, and you too could be a fully book-dealed Internet Feminist(tm) who still gets the New York Times Vows column to cover your wedding and your tasteful, dove-gray wedding dress. Rage against gender roles, but make sure people know that you believe high heels and porn are just fine when they’re expensive and made by people who pay lip service to feminist ideals.
So you just happened to post that image a few hours it was the OP to the gender thread on pol. right right.
Despite pol being trash one interesting point was brought up, why dont these "gender fluid" people fuck each other instead of insisting the rest of us do, and the answer is obvious.
Yeah, that's exactly what happened. I found that pic on tunglr a couple days ago.
Love how /pol/tards can't see the irony of calling trannies out for that considering most of them are fugly incels who think they're entitled to beautiful women too.
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>competes in the female category
>usually places in the top 5 finishers
Competitive eating is not pro sports or the Olympics, but biology matters since men generally have a greater capacity and many contests are segregated by sex. The women who do compete are dedicated and cash prizes are awarded.
This person is well over six feet tall.
Competitive eating is a contest of both capacity and speed. Statistically in competition results men are able to consume more faster which is why competitions are segregated and women eaters prefer to compete against other women.
Fuck I'm like 1 inch too tall.
and my hair is too curly not smooth damn.
bmi is fine whew
Pregnant Dad: Giving Birth As A Transgender Man
Published on Jan 14, 2018
Dorian has been living as a trans man for 3 years. But now he wants a baby. Cameras follow Dorian to see if it will be as simple as he hopes to be a pregnant dad?
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No one should become a "trannie," it doesn't have to do with looks. Fuck off, obvious male with tranny fetish.>>226878
why you callin people dykes, cocksucker? but speaking of being able to tell a tranny from a butch, it's hilarious that greg still doesn't pass next to his butch-y gf. he's one of the better passing ones too lol.
Over the last year I have been watching videos of competitions dating back several years. The largest compendium of stats online are on MLE's website. But MLE does not sanction even the majority of events, and many of the top eaters including this person are not members of MLE (MLE members can only compete in MLE sanctioned events).
The point of my original post is to recognise how the trans agenda is invading women's spaces throughout western culture.
I had precisely the same experience she did in attempting to have my fade trimmed by a barber in the front of a shop. He declined and directed me to the salon in the shop's rear.
My experience happened in 1989 when I was a university freshman.
How far we've come! /s
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Their obsession with imitating our bodies knows no bounds. I'm truly offended at this shit.https://genderanalysis.net/2018/02/a-new-plastic-surgery-technique-for-hip-widening/
>A recently developed plastic surgery technique offers the possibility of cosmetic hip widening using a new approach. While previous methods of hip augmentation focused on the soft tissue and used encapsulated implants or fat transfer, this new method affixes metal implants directly onto the pelvic bone.
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Whatthefuckever. Why aren't there global ethics committees stopping this. Womb transplants are already happening and trannies despise that real females will get "priority" on them.
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That's becoming less true as of latehttp://thefederalist.com/2018/01/30/americans-comfort-levels-lgbt-people-dropped-last-year/#.WnCoAkCeccc.twitter
I support dropping the T now more than ever. LGB people don't need to be associated with those freaks, it's really fucking us over.
Speaking of skinsuit aka female masking can someone watch and let me know if this Vice episode is as unsettling as this fucking horror video right here: https://youtu.be/2bmvgNFl1vw
^I watched that at night and got nightmares lol. Idk why I do this to myself.
Lol, only a man, only a man
who the fuck else does this shit it's ridiculous
Oh it is. I'll link it again here since it didn't embed properly. Warning though this is disturbing. Should libfems still be encouraging fetishes when they get bizarre like this? >>227032
Good point. No woman out there creates man suits. The closest I've seen are those dicks that drag king wear. But they're crochet.
Why do they wanna be us so bad?
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I was talking about why it has become "sort of" acceptable, kinda like being gay was 15-20 years ago, but you do have an interesting point. Why do people who push all this garbage think I could be a toddler or a furry, but me being a transnigger is suddenly off limits?>>227026>That's becoming less true as of late
Good, but it's still utter bullshit.
Feeling attraction towards this or that is totally fine (with some reservations about acting on it, kids etc.), but the fact that "identifying about anything other than what you actually are" isn't just a big prank is absolutely mind boggling.
The more you look at what happened and what's happening and think about it, the more some grand conspiracy seems realistic. It doesn't necessarily have to be DA JOOS, but there's definitely SOMETHING going on.
Lol DAE estrogen makes you wanna cuddle?https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/6zkgft/estrogen_making_me_cuddlehttps://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/7c7dus/urge_to_cuddle_alot_while_on_estrogen
>I mean, last year I totally admitted to myself I was really into guys, but there was always that reluctance, even a bit of self imposed transphobia and homophobia.
>After over two months of being on hrt, I'm watching Captain America and then Winter Soldier and I noticed I'm fangirling and crushing sooooo hard on Chris Evans lol! It feels so wonderful and lovely now!https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/4xey0l/umm_wow_hormones_are_magic
I find this hilarious holy shit.
>>227040>Why do they wanna be us so bad?
in these cases they're not actually trying to be women are they? They've moved beyond even the most exaggerated caricature of a woman and want to be an emotionless pieces of plastic.
You must go through some seriously fucked up shit for this to be how you get your rocks off and that guy is insanely brave for showing all of that on tv.
It's a man's portrayal of a woman. How his interpretation of a female wound up as a plastic bimbo says all you need to know about a man's misogyny.
They can get hip implants, shave down their jaws, invent a way to make themselves shorter…alter every single part of their body but for what purpose??? Is it not better that we teach people to be comfortable in the bodies they have?
Fat people lose weight or get lipo all the time and it doesn't make them instantly happy. Why? Because they hate themselves and making progress doesn't change that fact. When someone is anorexic, we don't tell them that their problems will be solved once they reach their goal weight, we work on helping them with their mental illness. Why
is transgenderism treated differently???
They will just say
>"Well HRT and SRS and social transitioning make me feel better and live a normal life."
When you bring up their suicide rates they say that's only because they're not accepted by society.
It's really impossible to win.
sage for ot but I know lots of people who were extremely happy after surgery
not trying to start anything tho js
>>227109>Boohoo transwomen have it so much harder.
Mentally ill people generally don't have an easy life.
These people decide to transition despite the risk, women don't decide to be born women.
was Greg always this crossed or did one too many eyelid surgeries fuck him up?
he looks like a drag queen. tbh, there are queens who pass far better than he does and they're not even actively trying to live as women. he used to have a cute twinky face but all these surgeries have totally fucked his looks. I dunno how blair, who was also a twinky gay guy before transitioning, manages to pass so much better but all Greg's surgeons have done is make him look manlier.
Those lips are fucking weird and not attractive to me. But the rest looks okay.>>226745
They should just fuck each other. Problem solved.
>>227109>white cis feminism
If only such a thing existed, I'd join in a second.
As for Rose, I have some mixed feelings about her. She once worked with a convicted pedo and when asked about it, sidestepped the question. At the same time, people make mistakes and do dumb shit, and she seems to believe what she preaches now. Seeing her shit all over that tranny brings me joy.
>>227123>As for Rose, I have some mixed feelings about her. She once worked with a convicted pedo and when asked about it, sidestepped the question.
But so have the majority of celebrities involved in the whole #MeToo deal, let's not forget about that. Not necessarily pedos, but that hollywood is full of abusers has been known for a long time.
There's also the issue that many of them weren't raped, but instead AGREED to a role in a movie (etc) in exchange for sexual favours, and then (some after decades) changed their mind and accused him of harassment and rape. Which begs the question: shouldn't the actresses with some integrity, those that didn't have sex with Weinstein (etc), be the ones most angered by this whole deal? Shouldn't they have accused him a long time ago? Shouldn't they be angry at the actresses who took the easy shortcut and call THEM out? Why don't we hear about those?
I see two possible answers to this: either they have been perfectly suppressed on a massive scale (which seems exceedingly unlikely), or there hasn't been a single one (or maybe a number small enough to be ignored) that had some integrity. If the latter case is true, and those actresses are basically glorified prostitutes, why are they being put on a pedestal as champions of feminism?
Against my previous question, some people would argue that a woman can morally do what she wants with her body, including actual prostitution and "prostitution" to get movie roles, but at that point it's not rape or harassment anymore, is it?
(There have been some accusations of outright rape, I'm not talking about those here.)
This is a fresh topic of discussion but it would be too difficult to follow given how we have no way of proving if actors willingly chose to prostitute themselves because if you are at threat of losing your career unless you comply to your boss' sexual demands, then you're in a compromised position. We know coercion under threat isn't 100% the same as consent.
It would be a different case if there was an official and publicly visible route for consensually trading sexual services for PR/agency/managerial support, because then you really could argue that 'they know that they're getting into', however that's just not the case here. If powerful people want to go on receiving sexual services in exchange for their favours whilst keeping it unofficial, then they have to just deal with the fact they can't prove that it was all consensual. Even if the advancement comes from the person with the lower position, the person in the higher position still needs to accept the risk of blame for that because they know that it's still exploitative situation where they have the upper hand.
As for people that argue that sex work is fine for women to do, they also rely on the condition that it is done in a fair way, which is not the case when turning down the offer can literally ruin your career and or lead to (as we have seen in some Weinstein cases) threats of bodily harm.
If an actor 'called out' other actors for not having the same level of "integrity" as you call it, it would be PR suicide. The playing field is not level for everyone, some people are financially able or bodily confident enough to walk away from a sleazy creep or "free ride", others aren't the same.
Furthermore, actors aren't being put on a "pedestal" for accepting consensual sex work like you say, they're being commended for coming forward to speak about exploitation by powerful people at risk of their career. Maybe it has snowballed enough that you can't see the risks that come with going public, but if only one woman had come forward a year ago then there would have been no way that anyone would have listened and it would have just ruined her life.
For an actor to speak out against anyone that traded sex for roles (even if consensual) would look like a huge victim-blaming dick. You kind of seem like one yourself, though.
Also, this is the wrong thread for this
>>227130>This is a fresh topic of discussion but it would be too difficult to follow given how we have no way of proving if actors willingly chose to prostitute themselves
It's common knowledge that Hollywood is full of pedos and abusers, and it has been for a long time.>because if you are at threat of losing your career unless you comply to your boss' sexual demands, then you're in a compromised position. We know coercion under threat isn't 100% the same as consent.
Weinstein said "that there were never any acts of retaliation against any women for refusing [my] advances", and as far as I know none of the people that initially accused him have contested the above.>It would be a different case if there was an official and publicly visible route for consensually trading sexual services for PR/agency/managerial support, because then you really could argue that 'they know that they're getting into', however that's just not the case here.
There isn't any official proof of it, of course, but you can say that they knew what they were getting into (that, or they were incredibly oblivious as to what was going on around them), since this whole deal is common knowledge.>If powerful people want to go on receiving sexual services in exchange for their favours whilst keeping it unofficial, then they have to just deal with the fact they can't prove that it was all consensual.
So the solution to that is to assume that it wasn't, and disregarding the circumstances that would indicate it likely was?>As for people that argue that sex work is fine for women to do, they also rely on the condition that it is done in a fair way, which is not the case when turning down the offer can literally ruin your career and or lead to (as we have seen in some Weinstein cases) threats of bodily harm.
I'm not sure refusing would have entailed ruining your career or bodily harm, see above.>If an actor 'called out' other actors for not having the same level of "integrity" as you call it, it would be PR suicide.
Ok, maybe not before the allegations against Weinstein became public, that's not what I meant. But why not now? Why is nobody talking about them now?>they're being commended for coming forward to speak about exploitation by powerful people at risk of their career
Given the current political climate, I don't think they were risking their careers . A single rape accusation will lead to (even somewhat powerful) people getting fired. Maybe if just one woman had accused Weinstein he'd have shut her down, but even just a few accusations would have had a big effect.>For an actor to speak out against anyone that traded sex for roles (even if consensual) would look like a huge victim-blaming dick.
Why? If it's consensual, how is there a victim?>You kind of seem like one yourself, though.
And how am I victim blaming? How is saying "I don't think (most of) these people are really victims" the same as saying "it's their own fault they got harassed"?
Of course, duh.
"Woman-ness" is defined solely but what's inside their head, that's why they all get surgeries that (they think) will make them look like women. Duh.
They need that surgery to cure their dysphoria or else they will kill themselves. >>227141
This sadly is all they need to say.
Imagine being so pathetic like Contrapoints you identify as a marginalized oppressed sex class. He's such a loser.
but there's not proof it works. in fact there was a lot of proof that it doesn't work at all.
the brain can't register most of the changes, especially the cosmetic ones.
also, there biggest thing is that their argument is that their brains are female, but their brain never registers any kind of hormone imbalance like it would if a female had high testosterone. only after the hormone replacement does that occur.
trans surgery is a scam. forced hormone imbalances and mutilating cosmetic surgery don't socialize you as a woman and they don't make the brain think the body is different.
>>227136> Weinstein said "that there were never any acts of retaliation against any women for refusing [my] advances", and as far as I know none of the people that initially accused him have contested the above.
I mean, believe it or don’t but one quick google brings up a death threat.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42344533
Even if you believe that neither he nor any Hollywood director etc in the scandal has ever threatened any of the victims with violence, it’d be far-out to say that he has never threatened someone’s career with their power in exchange for sex. Pretty much every news channel covering the Weinstein scandal has acknowledged how his sway could make or break a career and how verbally he made this clear to women.
I don’t know why you’re so incredulous about it, most folk know that entitled people can turn vengeful if you reject them, so it can’t be that hard for you to imagine how your boss might not like you after you reject their advances even if they don’t threaten you outright. Heck, I can’t even tell my boss that I’m not interested in hearing about his kids without it coming back to bite my ass.
>There isn't any official proof [actors accepting sex as part of the entertainment industry] of it, of course, but you can say that they knew what they were getting into (that, or they were incredibly oblivious as to what was going on around them), since this whole deal is common knowledge.
As I’ve explained, it being ‘common knowledge’ isn’t enough to excuse something as consensual or that expectations should stay the same.
It’s 2018, if bosses want their dicks sucked by the desperate talent without being sued for it then they just have to make it a publicly legally required part of the job application that everyone doing that job has to suck their dick equally and will be paid accordingly. (Even then, there will always be ethical problems because sexwork has divided opinions since forever, but this isn’t the thread for that)
Nobody should be singled out and forced to engage in sex work as part of a non-sexwork career purely because someone higher up than them felt like it on that day. If someone comes on to the boss first, the boss should be sensible enough to reject the person like it is expected in any other career field, because the boss is in that position of power and has responsibility to act accordingly.
> So the solution to that is to assume that it wasn't [consensual], and disregarding the circumstances that would indicate it likely was?
If sex can’t be legal consensual because you’re exploiting someone (yes, even if they seem eager to be exploited) then just don’t sleep with them. It’s just that simple.
>Ok, maybe not before the allegations against Weinstein became public, that's not what I meant. But why not now? Why is nobody talking about them now?
Because even if there were people that feel this particular way as you believe, after only this short period of a few months, it would STILL be a PR suicide and STILL imply you were a victim blaming dick?
>Given the current political climate, I don't think [women who come forward about rape]they were risking their careers . A single rape accusation will lead to (even somewhat powerful) people getting fired. Maybe if just one woman had accused Weinstein he'd have shut her down, but even just a few accusations would have had a big effect.
You’re entitled to your opinion. Here’s mine: Women coming forward alone against men were shut down for years, and then suddenly at a time when people were ready to listen, the tide finally turned and so many others came forward against this particular man and others.
Coming forward without any collaboration and saying a powerful person abuses people does risk your career, especially when you only have the strength of your conviction.
A single rape accusation doesn’t automatically topple any man, or Trump wouldn’t be potus.
>Why? [would an actor speaking out against anyone that traded sex for roles (even if consensual) would look like a huge victim-blaming dick] If it's consensual, how is there a victim?
As explained, these situations can’t be seen as ethically non-exploitative because of the power balances even if an individual appears to consent (e.g. coercion is not consent), and also it’s wrong to be angry at a victim just because you yourself were less of a victim.
If you’re asking about why nobody is saying “I’m annoyed people consensually sleep their way into jobs when I worked hard for mine” then I can’t answer that. Maybe because other people accept that actors would rather have an ethical industry where they can be judged on their abilities, than point fingers at those who were used by the current exploitative leaders of a corrupted industry?
>And how am I victim blaming? How is saying "I don't think (most of) these people are really victims" the same as saying "it's their own fault they got harassed"?
Why don’t you tell me the difference yourself?
I don’t think you really know what you’re talking about with all of this honestly, you seem to be lacking in empathy for some pretty basic stuff that happens to women every day. Have you never been sexually harassed before and felt endangered by it?
exactly. because cosmetic surgery doesn't fix self image, which is their issue. dysphoria is just a symptom of disordered self image. the same behaviors exist in cases of anorexia where the patient has distorted body image, viewing themselves as fat and gross despite their extreme low weight. it doesn't satisfy the disordered mind.
also many people become more dysphoric because of it, since they aren't prepared enough for the grieving period one undergoes when they lose a body part. amputees get therapy to help their grieving processes, because they are very difficult. even men who get circumcised voluntarily or otherwise go through a grieving process over such a small area. women who get breast reduction also have issues afterwards, despite it being something they want. it's insane to imagine that just because trans people have disordered self image and dypshoria their brain won't go through the grieving process.
don't forget all those instances of cosmetic surgery addiction. it's a slippery slope.
just the idea that we're using a 'treatment' pioneered in the 50s to 'fix' intersex babies is disgusting.
Is that what it's about? Empathy? Some women said X, so I should agree with it out of empathy?
The topic at hand is also very, very far from what happens to "normal" women every day.
If one of your coworkers has sex with your boss and gets promoted, and then years later claims the boss sexually harassed her, would you feel empathy towards her? Or would you be angry at her for getting an easy promotion, while you worked your ass off?
nta but neither. i'd think that either
1. my boss is a sleezeball who pushed her into it
2. the coworker is a sleezeball who offered sex
but most of the time it's 1. because contrary to popular belief, women are people who don't want to get off easy in the work world. if they did, they wouldn't be working and would just become housewives.
>>227152>who pushed her into it
But she still accepted, didn't she? And isn't she being a huge hypocrite and diminishing "real" harassment by making those claims later on?>because contrary to popular belief, women are people who don't want to get off easy in the work world. if they did, they wouldn't be working and would just become housewives
Unless your partner makes a whole lot of money, being a housewife isn't really viable anymore though.
okay how about this>give into advances by boss
inb4 'you can't fire her for that!'
many places allow you to fire someone for no reason and get away with it, especially smaller companies.
i really don't get your argument. this isn't about two adults getting drunk and then being upset by a mistake.
this is her boss, who is in a position of power over her, abusing that position for his own gain, and also illegally offering her compensation.
why don't you get that? this isn't about the 'weakening of women' this is about giving victims strength.
sure, many women would say fuck off and leave, but it's ridiculous to think everyone is strong enough to do so, especially when we are taught otherwise. plus, especially in this instance not everyone can afford to say no.
This is a topic for another thread, but I'll indulge you on this one anyway, since it's so fucking easy to Google, you're just being willfully obtuse.
Harvey Weinstein blocked Ashley Judd and Mira Sorvino from getting roles. Peter Jackson confirms this, when he considered them both for LOTR, but Weinstein got in his way.https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/sexual-misconduct/peter-jackson-seems-confirm-harvey-weinstein-blacklisted-mira-sorvino-ashley-n830166
harvey Weinstein used ex-Mossad agents to suppress accusers from going public.https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/nov/07/harvey-weinstein-hired-ex-mossad-agents-to-suppress-abuse-allegations-new-yorker-report-claims
Apologies for samefagging, but this was in response to this.
>Weinstein said "that there were never any acts of retaliation against any women for refusing [my] advances", and as far as I know none of the people that initially accused him have contested the above.
It may not be outright violent retaliation, but it is certainly blackmail, and intimidation.
So rose mcgowan got hecked by a transwoman at her book speaking, she was shaken and upset, and most of the twitter commentors are totes cunts.
Thats it, im done with this trans bs. https://twitter.com/PopCrave/status/959218557946155008
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Yeah, the shitheads are working overtime on this one. This shit has over 3,000 retweets and over 12,000 likes. Fuck this asshole and fuck everyone who retweeted/liked this shit. Rose had every right to shut that dude down.
Also, there's stuff coming out that the dude in a dress was a sex offender.https://twitter.com/unbreakablepenn/status/959528933728366593
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Rose McGowan's been an icon of mine from Jawbreaker to Planet Terror; she slapped Bruce Jenner the fuck DOWN for his ignorant ass "joke" in 2016, and I have a lot of respect for her voicing her beliefs so passionately.
Sad to hear that heckling pig is being ass-patted and praised, even worse if he's a fucking SEX OFFENDER. Christ.
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Interview with the tranny. The Twitter I saw this posted on was talking about how "beautiful" the tranny is. Yeah, right.https://archive.fo/Hu6Sm
>Watching them turn against me was triggering
Jesus, I'm not sure even /pol/ could make this shit up.
In prior decades, cropping one's hair and dressing androgynously used to elicit suspicions of being a lesbian, but at least we were still recognised as women.
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I am cooking up a thought I'd like to get some feedback on.
These Trans mtf come from abusive mindsets, some having even abused women in the past; that is, they are entitled and do not accept women as their equals, but as inferior beings.
Whenever there is something labelled as "for women", their background of entitlement tells them it's for them, because that's the role they want to adopt now.
But if it's about women's reproductive health - about abortions, periods and the price of the related paraphernalia for period handling, uterus, womb, ovaries and contraception methods, rape babies - they are at that moment confronted by reality with the idea that they are not women.
At this point, and to borrow someone else's illustration, they see their dirty face in the mirror,and then proceed to clean the mirror, rather than their face.
They start changing the definition of woman, claiming women's reproduction isn't important or that it's boring, that they are better than born women, that born women are CIS scum, that we are bad if we don't let them have sex with us anyway, that TERFs should die, yadayada just because they are defending their delusion from being contested by reality; their entitlement means that they have a right to everyone's compliance and confirmation of their delusion, or else; and them seeing us as inferior beings means they don't care if we are harmed in the process of them getting what they want.
But we definitely need to consider this mindset as far more dangerous than we do at large at the moment; because the moment our pill is no longer important, that abortion clinics start to shut, women's shelters and prisons have rapey former men on them just because they claim to be women now, all the ways in which we have organized ourselves throughout the ages to diminish the harm that men do to us will be at danger, and we'll have nowhere to run to for help, because help for born women will no longer exist.
You know this self-serving twat is demanding that the Barnes & Noble and THE AUDIENCE WHO SUPPORTED HER give her an apology because she feels they "didn't do anything," right?
Why are you posting such a poor, self-absorbed slacktivist?
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Yeah, the Children of God cult is so fucked up. River Phoenix was in it too, I think.
Just saw this cross my Tumblr dash. This is the tranny at Rose's event. I like how they say rad fems and TERFs are out to advance themselves and don't care about "the coloreds and the poors", yet rad fems are the ones criticizing pornography and pro-sex worker culture, things that hurt poor and poc women the most.
It's the lib fems who are the upper-middle class whites who preach all about sex positive sex work and can't see beyond their nose.
>How a psychotherapist who has backed transgender rights for years was plunged into a Kafkaesque nightmare after asking if young people changing sex might later regret ithttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4979498/amp/James-Caspian-attacked-transgender-children-comments.html
I learned a new term today.
ROGD, Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria, used to describe a child or adolescent suddenly deciding that they are transgender.https://www.parentsofrogdkids.com/#
Damn I don't even care for her as a celeb much but everything she said here is on point. Too bad she's the one who's gonna get called mentally unstable for not appeasing a man in a dress with delusions of "feminine" grandeur. Also her haicut looks great, she pulls the short hair off well.
Abyway is it just me or is there a new trans* complex of "look, we transwomen are hot enough to be abused too"? Ofc i don't think anyone should face abuse ever but sometimes it's brought up online in discussions in such a sleazy manner, does anyone else feel that?
>>227241>Abyway is it just me or is there a new trans* complex of "look, we transwomen are hot enough to be abused too"? Ofc i don't think anyone should face abuse ever but sometimes it's brought up online in discussions in such a sleazy manner, does anyone else feel that
Yeah, I've seen some of them say that being sexually harassed/abused is a "cis privilege". I also saw people say Harvey Weinstein harassing only white women was "white privilege" on the part of the women. Of course, we later found out he did, in fact, harass black women too.
It's a fucked up world when being sexually harassed is seen as some sort of privilege.
They do argue that they should be "hot" enough to get abused. In this video, the fat one says he likes getting catcalled because it validates him and makes him feel like he passes better. And the other one basically says he likes it when people assume he's a "model" or a "hooker."
Gotta say, the comments are pretty hopeful. It feels like and more people reach peak trans every day.
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They’re full of shit. So funny they whine about “white cis feminism” when they are a white recipient of male privilege, even after transition.
^This study is from 2015. Well, look at that! While trying to downplay sexual assault and violence against cis-women, even their own organizations show that biological FEMALES are sexually assaulted the most, no matter their gender expression. Females are never fucking privileged over a whiny, aggressive white transwoman. Wow, it’s almost like males will target you most for your biological sex rather than care about your pronouns. But why do transwomen constantly neglect transmen?
When it comes to murder, in every study, it’s predominantly non-White transwomen (in prostitution and poverty) that are killed at a higher rate compared to the general population. In conclusion, pink-haired Tumblr anime girl White transwomen are privileged fuckers who are NOT murdered or assaulted at a higher rate than ciswomen or the female sex in general. The only statistic where white transwomen rank highly is suicide, which has nothing to do with lesbians refusing their wiener.
The white transwomen at the forefront of transactivism constantly appropriate the struggles of poor blacks and non-white trans prostitutes to exaggerate their own oppression. The craziest thing is that white trans are often racist as fuck and don’t care about the reality of homophobia in the black community or the environment that leads someone into prostituting themselves for a place to sleep. Instead, they glamourize prostitution, porn and exploitative institutions in a disturbing attempt to validate their femininity.
>>227252> non-White transwomen (in prostitution and poverty) are killed at a higher rate compared to the general population > pink-haired Tumblr anime girl White transwomen are privileged fuckers who are NOT murdered or assaulted at a higher rate
Do they seriously not understand this or want the "I'm so speshul and endangered" points?
Those young and stupid fuckers like stef sanjati seem to totally get aroused by being "at higher risk of being murdered on a date uwu"
I really start to hate all of those fuckers. I think this thread helped me reach peak-trans!
>>227241>Too bad she's the one who's gonna get called mentally unstable for not appeasing a man in a dress with delusions of "feminine" grandeur.
Nah. She's going to be called mentally unhinged because people don't want her raging ball of bitterness borne of questionable virtue and Hollywood superficiality as their front for a movement that requires more than one emotional volume that isn't just unbridled anger.
She's going to be called crazy because instead of recognizing that she WILL be challenged by people at these types of events, she narcissistically blames her own followers and Barnes and Noble for not doing an immediate Trumpesque security takedown of the offender. And they MUST apologize even though it's not their fault at all.
I still can't believe you guys think Rose is fighting for anyone besides herself. She's a broken woman who needs a diagnostic and not a microphone. But people clap on because the truth is everyone loves to see a trainwreck. Two things can be true at the same time. She's horrible and so is the tranny predator.
Someone save feminism jfc.
>>227189>They saw it as more "proof" that men made better women than women. If only they'd completely fuck off and fuck trannies and leave us alone already.
I wish. But they’d never let us in peace and live it down that trannies are better and that biowomen are obsolete. It’s annoying white noise.
Seriously though, why is it so terribly triggered
if to start a conversation about getting actual mental help?
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His tumblr likes should convince you more: http://deercr0ssing.tumblr.comTW
: it and it's likes are full of scat, piss, futa, sissification, violent degredation, and potential cp. The fact that he's not only a sex offender, but he's into this shit makes his bitching about trannies being in men's prisons sound very suspect…
Pic related is from his ask FM btw. Love how the man screeching about cis white feminism is a racist.
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Heckler Tranny on why he can’t possibly be a sex offender: he’s just too submissive!!!
…I hit peak trans a while back but if I hadn’t, this might’ve been it for me. Revolting.
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I posted this in thw wrong thread but heres more on him
In totally not shocking news-the transwoman who screamed at rose mcgowan is a pedo.
I guess thats why they were upset rose is not protesting for transwomen to go to female prisons, hes worried he may end up in one soon.
the fuck are you talking about? most of them don't hate ~literally all men~, it's just that most
men are bad and they don't feel the need to waste their time screaming "BUT #NOTALLMEN!!"
Right now, they want it so that children are given hormone blockers if they show signs of being trans. But I have a feeling that in that in the future, they'll demand that ALL children be put on hormone blockers in case they want to be trans or change their mind about what gender they are.
If that happens, it will have huge negative effects. What happens if kids decide they don't want to be either gender or take the hormones? They won't develop secondary sex characteristics. It'll be a pedophilia heaven.
It's more terrifying than that, anon. People who don't go through puberty have brains which have never undergone the specific hormonal bath necessary for them to mature–it's not just that they're not getting test or est, there's a lot of other stuff that's lacking. Long term results on kids given GnRH agonists for precocious puberty and then allowed to mature normally aren't good at all. What else happens with drugs like Lupron, for long term? We don't have that data. We don't know.
There aren't a lot of endocrinologists talking about this right now, but there are a ton of them who've bitten their nails to the quick. The future for the kids on puberty blockers–which I'm seeing now with kids who decide that they're enby.–is to stay on them indefinitely. They start them at ten and they're still on them at seventeen.
How does a brain develop as we know it does if you prevent it from normal maturation? What might some of those risks be? Food for thought, but there's just too much fucked up shit taking place.
I've barely met any MTTs in my life and yet I still have 2 stories of them committing sexual assault.
The first was a phone video which my little cousin sent to his mom and I ended up seeing it via my mother. My cousin was traveling with his friend, and for context, at the time they were both 18 and both very short and thin. They looked really small and baby-faced because they both had major medical issues that stunted their growth. They were walking down the street in the city in the daytime and passed by a restaurant, and at one table was sitting a MTT. This guy looked to be at least in his late 30's just from what I could see in the potato quality video, and he was wearing a short skirt and giant heels. Apparently he had been calling out to them saying things like "Hey boys, come get a load of a real woman, I just got my new parts" and my cousin stopped to film, naively just thinking it was so ridiculous it was funny. His friend said something like "Gross, you're not a woman, you're a man" and the MTT exploded in rage, screaming at them that he was ALL woman, and pulled up his skirt to reveal that he had no underwear on, showing my cousin and his friend his newly-formed flesh wound.
The other instance was a guy at my own high school. Just one of those many awkward, nerdy, gangly and ugly guys. However this guy would routinely sneak up behind one particular girl in the lunch room and grope her boobs while she tried to fight him off. We always tried to tell him off, since it was clear she didn't want it, and she had a long-term boyfriend as well. But he would always laugh it off with "Oh she just is pretending she hates it because that's what girls do, they always do it like that in anime." I had no clue what to do, being younger than them and in my early teens, I was just in shock and had no idea if it was the sort of thing for staff to get involved or not, and just left it to that girl to report the issue or not. I do regret not reporting him to the school.
Fast forward a number of years and he is now a self-proclaimed trans woman and advocate of intersectional feminism, social justice and women's rights, and routinely blogs about how cis men who assault women are trash and should be wiped off the planet.
I've been following rad fem and rad fem leaning people more and more on Twitter. the ones I communicate with on this topic seem to agree that screeching about "white feminism" and shitting on white women is getting old. I've had quite a few non-white women agree with me as well.
I'm glad people are getting sick of this shit. I'm glad people are starting to get sick of the trans activist screaming over women at our own events shit too.
Trans shit never should have been a part of it anyway, since it's not about sexuality. Asexuality makes a hell of a lot more sense, but asexuality is still treated as some sort of fake special snowflake thing by most people.
Trans issues should also be separate from feminism, or at they should acknowledge the obvious: that the experiences of trans women are not the same as those of bio women. But they'll never do that, and they won't start their own movement. They'll just piggyback onto ours and try to shut us out.
As a WOC I agree and I too, am sick of morons bringing up "white feminism" to bash things which have nothing to do with it.
Yes there are vaild critisisms of "white feminism" but now i see it, more than often used by anyone to try an excuse them going after women they disagree with. Whats more infuriating is tranwomen expect us to be their fucking handmaidens and get super hostile when
radfem WOC tell them to shut the fuck up. I am gald other WOC are waking up and not putting up with this shit either anymore.
Which is hilarious, seeing as asexuality is about as common as being trans (over the general population) and a whole lot less problematic
I’ve seen quite a few people say they’re willing to accept “trans women” but as a category separate from “women”. I think that would be the best scenario, because you’re right that they have completely different experiences from each other as groups.
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In water is wet news…
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>>227442>I always see them use black women in their argument about how they too, are valid women.
Indeed, not only are they overtly racist they expect black women to back them up. What pisses them off is that there is a big community of WOC radfems which call out their "radfem is evil white feminism" asses
Also as a south Asian, im sick of the argument of "transwomen exist in south Asian cultures" and then used their ignorance of ours. no they dont.
I usually roll my eyes at cutural appropriation arguments but this actually is a great example of it-taking a complete misunderstanding of a cuture not you own to try and make yourself valid. It was this shit that turned me radfem, especially as these transwomen don't actually give a shit about what south asian or indeed east Asians go through, a lot of them fetishise Asians and Asian cultures, going so far as to do the weeaboo thing of giving themselves Asian names.
I'd say asexual numbers are higher than trans numbers by quite a bit in reality, it's just asexuality is still a relatively new concept, at least compared to LGB or trans stuff. And it's certainly not as mainstream. Over time, you'll see more people "coming out" if you will as asexual I think.>>227451
Yeah I follow a black rad fem on Twitter, and I noticed there's a lot more woc radfems than they like to think. And, as a lily white woman, I'm more chill with those women than I am lib fems, woc or white. Woc radfems see through the divide bullshit of intersectionality. Trans people and lib fems like to bring up black women as their little racist "gotcha!" to try and trap people. But that shit doesn't work, and people are seeing through their bullshit.
Lib fems, trannies, and their enablers shit on white women for existing, and try to silence us, then they use woc for their fucked up little racist pawns in their arguments. And both whites and woc are beginning to wake up and realize we're getting played. And we're not having that shit anymore.
Gotta love that image too. "Transracial doesn't exist because i say so, but you can wear womanface and it's totally legitimate". People talking about transracial stuff and laughing at it is what first started making me really critical of trans stuff. Saying you feel like another race is wrong, but somehow feeling like a woman is okay?
I agree, but I would never not read it as "Lesbian Gay Basketball Association">>227440
He posted that hours after andi was outed as a pervert too. Love that rapist pedophile solodarity uwu ♡
Hey hey hey it's not legitimate rape or molestation if only cis-scum was being molested, those victims were probably highly transphobic and THEY should be locked up!!!1
I wish there would be a transracial movement just that people can see how fucked up all of this is
>>227437>Whats more infuriating is tranwomen expect us to be their fucking handmaidens and get super hostile when
radfem WOC tell them to shut the fuck up. I am gald other WOC are waking up and not putting up with this shit either anymore.
I've definitely seen my fair share of trans males drop all pretenses and start using racial slurs and the likes when WOC refuse to play along with their game. It's disgusting.
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Someone found a screencap of Andi Dier on some sex/hookup site. Click the image at your own risk, it involves his… er, manhood, such as it is.
"Ever since I was young, I craved to be feminine, submissive, and as much a sissy as possible. To become a human sex doll."
Perfectly sums these troons up.
How can anyone who reads this say that it's not simply a fetish!? They make me so angry
Can somebody enlighten me what's going on in this picture?? I can not figure out what that is supposed to be?
Looks like a chastity cage on his junk. It's submissive/sissification shit.
Making light of rape, classy! https://archive.fo/3qLz1
It's a cock cage. It's a sissification/forced chastity fetish thing.
Did anyone notice how quick the kiwi thread about him got lockedt btw? Looks like the tranny mod got triggerdt
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Yeah, that's weird considering so many other threads just go on and on forever. What does one even have to do to get a thread locked on there? All I can figure is, like you said, a tranny mod got triggered
Just saw this on my Shitter. Women have no right to public spaces. But naturally, trans women have a right to all of the spaces women already inhabit.
better look up what feminists do
> be 60, have twins with 30yr old> women as decoration is empowering!
lauda is shit
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>list a bunch of non-human examples as if that proves anything
We're humans, not flatworms or slime mold. How is this relevant? I mean even our good friends dogs will fuck their close relatives, does that make incest OK? These cases are totally irrelevant to humans.
>Oh did you mean humans?
Yes, that'd be good.
>lists a bunch of rare conditions
Somehow this makes dudes with XY chromosomes that chop their dicks of women! Sure convinced me!
Animals that change sex or disguise themselves do it to procreate. They're animals, that's they're goal in life. They do all sort of fucked up shit too. Fucking their siblings, eating their young out of necessity, just being rapey in general. They're animals, they don't have the thought capacity we do.
A dude putting on a dress or turning his dick into a wound isn't out of need to procreate. The whole "b-but animals do it too!" argument has always been dishonest. Humans are a lot more complex than that.
They're making "potato chips for women" as if women can't deal with greasy fingers.
And the CEO who came up with this idea is a woman.
What a bizarre timeline we're in.
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We really are moving towards a world where trans is right and cis is wrong. Genitals don't denote gender, apparently. guess I'm just in denial! I must be an ftm, even though that's so rare compared to mtf…
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For anyone who hasn't hit peak trans yet, this might be it for you.http://boards.4chan.org/lgbt/thread/9520274
Btw, a "hon" is 4chan-speak for a tranny who looks like a man. They're implying this very feminine-looking girl looks like a man, because they hate women so much for having what they want that they have to attack their looks.
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>>227539>they hate women so much for having what they want that they have to attack their looks.
sound familiar lolcow?(shit bait)
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Are you joking or are you retarded? It's extremely easy to tell a male from a real girl, just because of how severely men hypersexualize everything about lesbianism.
I've noticed that men and women talk differently online in some contexts. If it's a discussion, women will precede their statements with "I think…", and men will often just make the statement and assume rightness until proven wrong. It's all in the expectation of the other person to shoulder the burden of proof.
Which is very similar to what happens offline, come to think of it.
I swear this is the plot to every fucking yuri ever. And this is what weeb translesbians base their perception on. >>227648
And the thing is that the human brain hasn't developed to its full adulthood until 25 and recent studies are saying that nowadays the age is even higher, around 30. 18-year olds are so young they have barely made it through puberty and I think ANYONE at age 30 regrets decisions they made when they were a dumb 18-year old. You simply have no life experience at that point or a well-formed identity. You probably still live at your parents' place for chrissakes. You're still in high school. How can you ever know what your true social identity is when you don't even know life outside of the school grounds?
All these parents supporting their kids' transgenderism are just terrifying. You're seriously saying that your son "knew" that he was a girl at age 2? If your son were to say that he's a magical pony, would you buy into that delusion? Most of these parents keep on feeding their kids' make-believe fantasy because they don't have the spine to figure out what's really wrong. The link between autism/OCD and transgenderism has been proven. It could be just a kid's defense mechanism to anything that traumatized them.
OR it could be that your kid is gay. A lot of gender non-conforming children turn out to be gay later in life. I've legitimately seen parents being WORRIED of their kid being gay but a lot more accepting when presented the idea of their kid being transgender. And unlike being trans, being gay has been proven scientifically to be written in your genes and even if you disagree with that statement, at least it doesn't require body mutilation or artificial hormone replacement.
The case with Jazz Jennings is the worst of all though, his mother has stated him being suicidal and depressed yet she STILL chooses to push him to the limelight, appear on TV, write children's books and do whatever while openly talking about his genitals. Jesus.
I've been taking a lot of personality tests lately, mostly the heritable traits tests that employers use. They can be bullshit, but they can also be interesting in what they tell you about yourself. I'm very low in agreeableness. That pretty much means what it sounds like. I can be polite, but if I think you're talking shit, I'll say so.
I wonder how many women and girls in this thread are similarly low in this trait? I'm curious to know if our lack of agreeability is partly why some of us are so loudly and particularly disgusted by trannies? I know that as long as a tranny is living quietly, I could give two fucks about them, but the second they start to get loud and annoying with their 'muh rights muh feelz' I find it incredibly difficult to keep my own mouth shut, let alone enable them in their delusion. Outside the site, I'm wondering if radfems and dykes fall along the same lines in terms of being low in agreeability.
It's important for women to realize that they do have the right to speak up about this, that they should absolutely expect that men ~not be allowed access to every single part of us, even when they play pretendbian.
I think most if not all women, deep down, know trannies aren't real. We know they're freaks. Too many of us don't speak up, though, because we're afraid to lose family or friends or support. I'll yell for the rest, being disagreeable, but I hope more women know that it's okay to talk about this. Because what we're saying is true. It's objectively the truth, no matter how hard trannies try to obscure that with bullshit about animals changing sex or intersex people, neither of which have anything to do with lopping off your dick for funsies and pretty pretty princess parts.
It's a fairly cunning strategy on the part of the trannies, though. Take what is best in women–friendliness, agreeableness, compassion, empathy–and use it against us. First by acting sad and harmless and friendless, then by slowly twisting the thumbscrews, getting more and more sadistic while still counting on that first initial response on the part of most women to let them slide until they've come round to denying us our own space, our sexuality, our breathing room.
I still don't care about trannies, because they're little more than a carny sideshow, but now, they've become dangerous to us. They're showing their true colors. Now isn't a good time to be quiet anymore. Together, we can and should call for a much needed dose of reality.
I feel hopeful about the future. I'm not afraid of these incels.
The results of a new study examining physical and mental health disparities between transgender youth and their peers were published today.
Media reporting on the study has been over-simplified (or slanted depending on the agenda of the outlet reporting). Most outlets are presenting the data as evidence that more teens identify as transgender than previously thought when in fact the study includes students who identify as "gender nonconforming." The study defines "gender nonconforming" as describing "individuals whose gender expression does not follow stereotypical conventions of masculinity and femininity and who may or may not identify as transgender."
The study asked participants “Do you consider yourself transgender, genderqueer, genderfluid, or unsure about your gender identity?" The students who answered "yes" were grouped together. The study then asked those students, on a scale from masculine to feminine, how their gender was perceived by others.
“Health and Care Utilization of Transgender/Gender Nonconforming Youth: A Population-Based Study” (Rider GN, et al. Pediatrics. Feb. 5, 2018)http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2018/02/01/peds.2017-1683
I had a friend who was gay, and years and years back he told me that he had "found out" that he actually wanted to be a woman and had started getting laser hair removal. No idea how that turned out, as I can't find him online anymore.
Well, at least gay men don't attack women I guess?!
So, what he is saying is: "You p-probably have lots of s-sex and that m-makes you losers!!" Sick burn. He knows he will never join the ranks of those losers.>>225372>I feel like tranny logic is super close to incel logic.
Given that ranting incels are much less popular, I think it's a good idea to point out this similarity whenever trans issues come up.
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>>227790>>227793>writes for Bitch and makes videos for The Mary Sue
God, 99% of modern feminist media is such trash. I'm surprised this creature doesn't work for the equally garbage Bust and Jezebel too.
Also, "This is what I was wearing when he told me I was a man.". You are one. You have a massive apeman brow, a masculine face, and a huge adams apple. Even the most "masculine" of biological women are still more feminine than you on your best day.>>227794
I saw that shit on Twitter a week or two ago. I felt like my brain was gonna collapse in on itself from the sheer stupid delusion of it all.
Wait, this wierdo makes videos for the mary sue? I didnt know that. They have posted quite a few artices saying girls who write sherlock slash fanfiction are cultural appropriating disgusting cis scum but they support this freak who gets off to loli porn?
cis priviledge my ass kek>>227802
Calling out or sperging out? We all know shoe is not known for her intelligence.
>>227793>No matter how well we pass for cis, no matter how many sacrifices we make, no matter how much time we spend obsessing over our presentation–it will never, ever be enough. We will never be granted the right to be respected inherently, on sight.
Hello and welcome to being a woman. I thought that's what you wanted so much to be.
He looks like a man in drag.
What I learned: Women are better about just being between the genders, which I honestly don't mind too much. As long as no one screams at me for misgendering them, or tries to make the opposite gender conform to them, idc.
There's also exactly 3 people who I guess are MTF who actually pass and they are all POC. White men usually just don't have nice faces for women. I mean, the fat guy with the rat's nest on his head looks like that one comedian from SNL ffs.
Yeah, that Tumblr article that was posted said they were doing a video for the Mary Sue and wanted to look "as close to a cis woman as possible". You might want to consider full facial and body reconstruction then, dude.
That doesn't shock me about The Mary Sue at all. They are epitome of intersectional Tumblr feminism. The Mary Sue, just like Tumblr and social justice Twitter, loves to shit on "cis women" (usually with "white" shoved in there too, naturally) for indulging in slash. Meanwhile, they're cool with whatever "trans" or "nonbinary" freak doing whatever.
looking through what is posted in this thread, and the spread of the terf-spergery to other threads, I don't think a personality trait is the driving force.
I mean, you're chimping out over a bunch of tumblr genderspecials and making it sound like race war 2.0 (while advising 'a dose of reality', which is … something)
this isn't a board for proud people who are winning at life. it's a gathering place for bitter, neurotic bitches to gossip about people they hate. and over the past year or so, it has been steadily devolving thanks to a handful of radfems who won't shut the fuck up about it, no matter how ot it is.
how old is he anyway? only from the trans community you see kids obsessing about how their private parts look
I use to hate my nipples like crazy as a teen but didn't cry and beg my mom for surgery for them because of my dysphoria, why? because I was a fucking teenager, if everything works right and the only reason why you wanna get it is because you don't like how it looks wait til your 18 not beg mommy and daddy for bucks so you can show boys your "pretty' pus and claim it's muh dysphoria
>>227855>you're chimping out over a bunch of tumblr genderspecials and making it sound like race war 2.0
Sorry, but if they're gaining political power, access to women's bathrooms, and a voice in feminism, that's far from just a few Tumblr special snowflakes. I can't speak for other anons, but I'm pretty well adjusted and only come here for /ot/ and /g/ because I like anonymous places. Haven't been to the actual gossip boards in forever. I think >>227710
has a point.
Same here. I go to /snow/ or /pt/ sometimes, but I usually don't stay there long. It's full of too many bitter bitches picking apart other womens looks and calling that milk for me. If you have to resort to talking about a cows acne then they might not be a cow.
/g/ and /ot/ are decent though, and there one of the few places where I can speak anonymously and candidly. This is also one of the few places where you can discuss feminism that isn't intersectional sex worker positive libfem crap.
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Here’s a fun before&after timeline of HONtrapoints.
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>>227894>He actually looked decent as a guy
Indeed. But his personality is shit so I can't exactly say I'm disappointed.
The transactivists have successfully lobbied in several countries for self ID legislation which conflates sex and gender and eliminates women-only spaces.
Women-only spaces are a guaranteed right as stipulated by the United Nations.
It honestly frightens me to think that by the time my niece is a teenager, there might not be women only spaces. Like, that shit legit terrifies me to think I'd have to share bathrooms and gym lockers with hairy tranny men pretending to be women. It's awful.
I can't even believe there was a fuss during the women's marches because Biological women are actually fighting for their reproductive rights and this offends weak tranny men.
I don't have the same contempt for Jazz as I do for other troons. Jazz is incredibly naive and misguided, but it's not like he decided to do this on his own. His parents put him on puberty blockers when he was FOUR years old. It's a sad case study and I would wager that none of his opinions on gender and sexuality are his own. I really feel for the kid, it's incredibly fucked up that his own parents sterilized him, stunted his development, and put it all on television just to get rich and gain progressive brownie points.
inb4 whiteknight, I legitimately feel bad for any children who are subjected to this harmful, unsubstantiated, guinea pig experimentation by the people who are supposed to protect and guide them.
It's a really, really scary thought that this documentary was banned. It wasn't hateful at all, it was very well made, it let the both parties talk and it didn't take any sides but instead presented a question they had to answer. Just because some trannies were triggered
on social media about how it's 100% not aggressively supporting their delirium they pulled it at the last minute. Imagine this fucking happening in a western, modern society that's supposed to be based on the freedom of speech.
It really does showcase how fucking nuts these parents are though and how the doctors pushing the trans ideology are only thinking about their own benefit. It's like watching a religious cult. That transman activist was extraordinarily unsettling too, I completely agree.
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I'm only at 1:12 and I feel like my brain is already melting.
"I am a transgender man, please refer to me as he and him and use gender neutral terms for pregnancy, such as pregnant people instead of pregnant women."
You know this wouldn't come as a shock to me if this person had been transitioning and actually looked/sounded like a man, but that is so obviously just a girl with a girly voice and long girly hair to top it off. Same goes for her trans "husband". Yet they are insisting they are 100% just like every other man and need to be referred to as such or else you're a bigot.
And of course they are fucking cosplayers.
I completely agree. You really can't blame him for his upbringing, his parents want attention on his expense and they're the ones who couldn't deal with the possibility of him being gay or gender-nonconforming and instead started telling him that he's a girl. The really interesting thing about this documentary >>227992
is the quote from one of the psychologists they interviewed:>I've heard some parents say after their child has transitioned: "Well at least they're not gay". Because the child has transitioned to the other gender and therefore in terms of their sexual attraction it'll be heterosexual. So an interesting issue is to what extent religious or cultural factors that are anti-gay are part of the mix.
As a bisexual woman who was very gender non-conforming as a child and wanted to be a boy, this is haunting to me. This documentary should be spread as much as possible. I've seen so many lesbian women and gay men being pulled to the transgender ideology because it's easier for you yourself and your family to accept you being a heterosexual transperson than a gay cisperson.
Yeah I downloaded that doc off of Vimeo, just in case someone gets it taken down. I found the doc very well balanced. It presented multiple stories with different perspectives on transgenderism. A girl who thought she was trans, only to find out she was just a tomboy with internalized misogyny, someone who transitioned and is fine with it, someone who transitioned and regretted it, etc.
The worst things about the modern trans lobby is how they shit on biological women and take over our spaces, and how they stifle any other views on transitioning, including the views of people who did it and regretted it. I feel like people here would hate them much less if they learned that.
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On transpassing it's actually impossible to tell who is "legit" and who is taking the piss. How do they tell? Or do they just have to assume everyone is serious? Normally I would have assumed facial hair equals trolling but large numbers of them apparently have no problem showing their face despite having a serious beard shadow or even chest hair.
This documentary filmed in 2004 examines transvestitism and gender from the point of view of an unapologetic self-described tranny. He delves into many facets of gender and gender expression in the context of clothing as an expression of emotion: motivations for cross-dressing including autogynephilia; comparing cross-dressing with his other interest motorbiking (he speaks with other bikers about expressions of masculinity); the history of transvestitism in Britain including a look at how clothing was gendered during the 18th and 19th centuries (although the ways in which clothing subjugated women was barely hinted at); talking with young people at a rave about gender expression and marveling at their fluidity but wondering if trannies will be erased by the dissolution of the "gender divide." He concludes that everyone would be better off sampling from across the spectrum.
The topics and conversations are thought provoking, but I wonder if they were edited to omit contrary views or views from a feminist or gender critical perspective. Many of his views are controversial, some ignorant at best and misogynistic at worst. At least during the wedding dress segment when he says that putting on a dress allows him to "act out" the women respond, "Maybe we don't need to act out."
He finds transsexuality problematic in its extremeness and says that MtT approach their gender issues in a very male way, defining "male" with stereotypical character traits. He wonders if a man really needs to chop off his penis to feel like a woman and if making such a big deal over the differences between men and women is really just old-fashioned and sexist.
The discussions and opinions presented are informed by the time period, the documentary having been filmed nearly 15 years ago, before the current wave of transgender activism and when modes of gender expression were more compartmentalised.
The video description:
He’s a 43-year-old happily married man and devoted father. He’s also the transvestite potter from Essex who won the prestigious British art award, the Turner prize. In the fine art world, Grayson Perry has two unique selling points. One is his expressive pottery and the other is Claire. His transvestite alter ego is a regular feature throughout his work.
How has Grayson Perry managed to reconcile his compulsion to wear women’s clothes with his roles as an artist, husband and father? Ultimately, Why Men Wear Frocks is about the difficulty of being a man.
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Riley posted a vlog about how comfortable he is in his now "feminine" transitioned body but fails to realize he still looks like an underweight horsefaced twink.
Are you the same tranny from >>227855
who wants to believe trannies are regular people and model citizens and we are crazy spergy terfs? Honey, trannies are so loud and disgusting even normies who couldn't care less about politics are repulsed by them.
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yeah, because they and their batshit lgbT mainstream orgs unapologetically threaten to assault us/kill us, claim we're nazis/just as bad as nazis and violence against us is warranted, and have fucking literally assaulted women for not participating in their fantasies. ofc we'd be more reserved. just like being confronted with a man trying to get in your pants, you have to bite your tongue so you they don't assault you.
This. We need to get on this with meme magic.
>Trannies are incels larping as thots
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Is it true that FTT are actually sane but misguided and just need guidance from other women?
I still browse /lgbt/ on 4chan just for the shock value because I find the MTT insanity kind of intersting. But I found a thread just now that was posted by a FTT and was in awe that they seemed to be rational about feminism. They referred to radfems as “angry man-hating lesbians” which could be considered offensive by some people I guess but still posted about how transwomen have no right to take over women’s movements or invade women’s spaces.
I really feel for FTT. Does anyone else feel the same way?
>>228248>that overly long disclaimer at the beginning
If you have to ramble that much about how "this isn't about all cis women" (in a video titled I Hate Cis Women no less) then maybe, just maybe, you're rambling about a shitty topic and you have shitty opinions. >>228255
Most of them have internalized misogyny and massive yaoi fetishes. That one actually seems halfway sane, but most of the ones I see online, especially the younger ones, are just as fucking obnoxious as MTT. They have the same constant victim complexes and the same need to bitch about "cis" people. And I don't see them standing up to MTT shitting on biological women.
you sound like a tumblrina who's triggered
by facts tbh
>>228111>I also feel like people ranting endlessly ITT would be a lot more reserved if they were to confront a tranny irl.
I mean, of course they would be more reserved, because many trans males will not hesitate to use violence against women who won't indulge them in their delusions and calmly let them into their bathrooms/shelters/prisons/vaginas/etc. It's not uncommon for trans males to say things like "kill all terfs", encourage people to attack "terfs", and celebrate when it happens.
It's easy to not care about "tranny shenanigans" when it doesn't affect your life, but a lot of radfems are lesbians who are being told by trans people, as well as """"allies"""" in the lgbt community, that if they don't agree to dating and having sex with trans males then they are transphobic (see the cotton ceiling).
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This is fucking terrifying and i'm a gay women who wants a child, but i'm still a woman! I don't pretend to be a man, transition and then suddenly do the most female thing EVER: Get pregnant to give birth.
if this idiot was triggered
by being a woman, why would they want to be pregnant? If this doesn't explain why trans people are mentally ill and need serious medical help, i don't know what will… I honestly feel so bad for that child.
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It's extremely thick makeup combined with the unfamiliar sight of it being applied to a male face that gives off the uncanny valley vibe.
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Subtle is certainly the word.
Looks more like he put on 10 pounds rather than any kind of feminisation. I wonder how much money he’s wasted?
Gregory ("Gigi") takes his 'menses LARPing' very seriously! At 5:36 in the video, he says: "I have some tampons… obviously."
This shit pisses me off in the worst way, Anon.
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Samefagging to include a screencap, oops.
Wasn't this the person who was talking about how much she loves her neo-vagina and having sex with it 4 years ago? Now in this late 2017 video she's talking about how she doesn't really use it because dilating is too much work and she prefers taking it up the ass during sex and wants her dick back and regrets the whole thing. Imagine how many people she encouraged to get their penis inverted by talking about what an amazing choice it was.
The original neovagina video where she talks about how good sex feels with it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IZD_Nw7D0w
As a sidenote I think the "youtube vlogger tranny" is a thing in itself, they're always overly valley girl-ish feminine and basically just stereotypical sassy gay people in drag.
>>228512> she, her
Anon pls, you don't have to humor him here
What is also always pissing me off is their voice. The insist on how genuinely female they sound but it's always just a Monty Python bit
>>228517>welcome to being the woman you so badly wanted to be you dumb fuck
I mean, real women can not shower for months, even years and still not harbor mold, necrosis, maggots, and/or shit bacteria inside their vaginas. #justtrannythings>>228513>"don't use she/her!">proceeds to use they/them
that's literally worse. if you're uncomfortable calling him a man because ~muh gender roles~, just call him a woman. we don't need to get into snowflake pronouns.
There seem to be trans males who actually want people to believe that they have become females. Not just women, but biologically female, which is insane.
I read an article just a while ago about a convicted child molester who is trying to get the prison to give him tampons, among other things. Claims he's a hermaphrodite.http://metro.co.uk/2018/02/05/transgender-pedophile-blasts-prison-officials-refusing-give-tampons-7288513/
>A transgender pedophile has blasted officials at her local prison for denying her access to tampons.
>Toni Fly, 49, has hit out at Cass County Jail in Fargo, for denying her access to hormone treatments, ‘feminine hygiene products’ – believed to be tampons – and women’s underwear.
>Fly, convicted of abusing a girl since she was at elementary school and fathering a child with her, also wants moved to a women’s prison.
>Fly, whose birth name is William Anthony , also referred to herself as ‘transgender’ ‘intersex’ and ‘hermaphrodite’ in the missive – claiming to have both male and female sex organs.
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>just photoshop my shit up
Here we see how various other fetishes are comorbid with autogynephilia
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Another ultra creepy shop from transpassing.
>>228531>Fly, convicted of abusing a girl since she was at elementary school and fathering a child with her, also wants moved to a women’s prison.>abusing a girl since she was at elementary school>fathering a child with her>wants to be moved to a women's prison
Fucking disgusting. I hope they don't accommodate his request.
And also that his cellmates give him the "child predator treatment"
drunk mens words are sober mens thoughts
trannies tend to be horrible ass people, you would hope it would just be the MTFs who are the racist misogynists but nope, FTM tend to be misogynist to, like the tranny MRA who screams about feminism and acts like people defining rape way too extreme is a widespread belief
They use that argument pretty often: "If you don't let us in your bathrooms, then what about tall, fat, hairy, etc (and usually black) women?!"
I'm very tall myself and still never in my life anybody ever thought i was a boy, that just won't happen; but that's just your delusional tranny everyone
Something that I find really strange and creepy is how trans activists focus on kids, from what I've seen online. I'm not American but I almost only hear about stories from the US or Canada and there are stories of minors who are pressured to transition because they're not stereotypically girly/manly or are most likely not straight. But they're given puberty blockers and hormone treatments like it's nothing, or at least that's the impression I get from what I've read.
Who first thought this was a good idea to do that? Hormone treatments of all kind have fucked up side effects. For example I was diagnosed with a growth hormone deficiency as a child and even though it was really obvious something was wrong with me, it took me more than a year to obtain the diagnosis and the treatment, and it was a bit of an emergency at this point. Meanwhile, transitioning isn't an emergency or a need in a way, since the body is working just fine in that aspect most of the time and all that, and I heard therapy could work well for dysphoria, yet people can get their hormone treatment really fast like it's nothing. Why does transitioning seem to be treated as more special, to the point of making exceptions for children? I hope it's just an impression I have by reading stupid things on the internet. I feel like this post is really incoherent, I don't know how to express what I mean here, sorry about that>>228600
I don't get that argument, they really don't take biology into account which is really fucking weird since it's not even abstract or anything. If I were you I would have avoided him right after hearing that, he's just a racist and a misogynist.
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Activists tell parents that their child is in danger of suicide, thus dysphoria is an emergency.
Homophophic parents can make their children straight by transing them.
Only now are the long term risks and adverse effects of puberty blockers being seen and being discussed in the media. The transactivists will try to suppress discussion, as they have the CBC documentary, but hopefully society will reach peak trans before more children are irreparably damaged.
Sorry but I find this to be fucking hilarious tbh.
On one side I feel for him, he's young and stupid and this fucking echo chamber pressured him into chopping his dong off when he could just be a feminine gay guy.
On the other hand I despise his agenda and I secretly hope that more trannies chop their dicks off and spend the rest of their miserable lives regretting this horrible decision.
nta but >is their voice>are their voices
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Why do they constantly lie and pretend their bodies are no different from women?
the OP said 'their voice' it should be their voices
ffs. it's not confusion.
It will never open back up. I don’t know who this person is but his stupidity is mind blowing. Maybe he should have mentioned that fact that he hated his fake vagina a long time ago since he hasn’t used it in three years instead of propagating his misery loves company shit and I’m sure there were a fair few tards influenced by its decision?
I’m sure this was surgery that was done on taxpayer money.
I want to know why this video was not age restricted but the one titled "pads and periods" is
Is Youtube moderated by a 11 year old boy or
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I don't understand how people can't see these people have a fetish
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It's just like a real vagina!
This is a TERF/gendercritical thread.
Do you have any counter-arguments?
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>looks at his profile picture
>he thinks women are jealous of him
The delusion is too real
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>keke I get to enjoy all the fun stuff about being a girl like wearing pink and mini skirts! I don't have to deal with icky periods and babies! I Italy relate to women ;)
I noticed that most trannys cry about how they "feel like women" but are disgusted by all the basics functions of women(periods, child birth etc).
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What's everyone's thoughts on phalloplasty?
gross, looks like it could cause a lot of problems if not highly maintained
if it was seriously about muh gender dysphoria they could just get a strap on instead of permanently fucking up their genitals
ew, the wrinkles, and the fucked up end of the opening.>>228842
this is what enrages me. medicaid now will cover some of their bullshit. medicaid in ny is covering children on hormones, while people with debilitating conditions will be left out in the cold. this is so disgustingly selfish.
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What the inside of a neo vagina looks like
That needed to have 5 more spoilers and 8 trigger warnings
, I feel physically ill. Why is the mucus yellow? What is even going on in pic B? It looks like it has fucking teeth, I hate it.
That Julie Vu man once said > I don't have hair in my vagina, sometimes there's hair growing inside the vagina
wow, imagine hair and teeth in there! It's just like the real thing!!!!11
Which procedure is this, ie. penile inversion or colovaginoplasty?
Did anyone watch Grey's Anatomy last week? The hospital was running a surgical innovation contest. The plastic surgeon's proposed project was creating spray-on skin. His mother, a board member, pressured him into switching to developing an improved vaginoplasty procedure conceived by a MtT surgeon. He argued that his project would benefit millions while vaginoplasty benefits very few. The fact that women would also benefit from improved techniques is brought up, but I can't remember by which character. Ultimately he chooses to work on the vaginoplasty proposal.
Of course improving vaginoplasty techniques was not plot worthy on television nor important in the real world until more men began demanding the surgery than women needing the surgery.
Coincidentally, last week's episode of The Good Doctor featured a MtT teenager. He was found to have a testicular tumor, torsion, and osteopenia. The osteopenia meant that he needed to stop taking androgen blockers. He wanted to have both testicles removed since the one with the tumor needed to be removed and he planned to have them both removed in a few years anyway. His parents supported him and argued with his grandmother who was the gender critical voice of reason. Ultimately the parents decided to "do only what is medically necessary" (only the tumorous testicle was removed).
The protagonist is a resident surgeon with autism. In trying to understand transgenderism he asks the patient what it feels like to be a girl. The patient merely responds, "I want to feel like myself."
When the patient asks, "Other than biologically, how do you know you're supposed to be a boy?"
"Your question doesn't make sense. I'm not supposed to be anything. I am a boy, biologically. That's it."
I remember back in the 90's when Howard Stern had that tv show, he had a transwoman on one time, and naturally, wanted to see the manmade pussy. After the tranny showed it, Howard commented that he' seen boats he'd rather fuck.
One of those strange times where Howard was a voice of reason.>>228843>>228844
Classic mental illness on display. They think everyone around them talks about them constantly.
If the skin is taken from their thigh does that mean they get a hairy dick?
What’s the inner tissue made from?
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>transwomen are not looking at nude cis women in changing rooms!
FTM bottom surgery, specifically phalloplasty, is more complex and takes much longer to complete and heal from than MTF surgery since you have less to work with. The do it in multiple phases, with several grafting sites, many months apart. First you get that weird meat tube(the process is horrific) as the base. After it heals up, they go on to glans shaping(cutting, fat grafting and/or implant), testicular implants and cosmetic finishing touches. There’s another, more simple process called Metoidioplasty where they just cut free the testosterone-enlarged clitoris and shape around it, adding penile and testicular implants. The result is a micropenis, but it retains full sensation and actually looks more (comparatively) like a natural male genitalia. But it i so small and can rarely be used for penetrative sex.
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And again, tallness doesn't equate to manliness…
Either you're trying to bait with the whole 'whites are the ugliest' or if you genuinely think so, the main reason is simply that most trannies we discuss here are american, so the chance is high that they're white; if we were fo focuss on another country i'm sure you'd also encounter a lot of fucked up black or asian ones.
And like the poster over you pointed out; asian people, female and male, have very high amounts of estrogen, black people very high testosterone, so maybe whites are the race there women just look too feminine and men too masculine to pass as one another
it’s the horse faces and fucked up noses our men usually have i think. agree with the anon that said whites have a stronger sexual dimorphism than other races.
i noticed in school that girls and boys had really similar faces before puberty but suddenly all the white boys started growing these noses and jaws and browbones whereas girls didn’t change all that much.
White men have the least self awareness, I guess it's because they get coddled the most by society. Like black MTTS pass even worse, but somehow they still manage to be less repulsive in pretty much every department.>>229022
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Black men are ususally the tallest though
And are you all seriously defending 'poc' trannies now…?
Don't make them feel any more confident and entitled than they already are
Most trannies worldwide are white, and I was talking about the first part of that anon's post.
Indian men also have less self awareness, i.e. that guy in your pic and the "open bob show vagene" meme. I'm not defending any of them, I'm just saying some dress better than others on average.
don't forget, in those countries that jail you for homosexuality, trans is not your
identity, it's forced on you so you're not gay
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lol this moron
hand him a noose
Here's my theory: it's because being a tranny is so frowned upon in black/latino/asian (except Thai, I guess) cultures that they only transition when they are desperate and miserable enough to risk societal shame, violence, and usually a life of sex work. The intense shame from all sides (I'm assuming) leads them to try much harder to pass.
On the flip side, white western men are basically encouraged to crossdress and celebrated, lavished upon when they even slightly experiment with gender presentation, so they don't have to give a fuck about trying at all. Actually, they don't even have to do ANYTHING to be accepted and fully validated as """women,""" just look at fucking Danielle Muscato.
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Hey guys, ftm here. I tried tweeting at Magdalen asking her if she'd touch up more on ftm stuff in her videos but she told me off saying I obviously haven't watched enough of them because she apparently made a bunch talking about us. Admittedly, I haven't watched all of them, mostly just skimmed titles for ones I found interesting and for the most part I've just been following her tweets. But now that Senpai has finally noticed me and made me look like an idiot I want to crawl in a hole and die.
Do you think she'll ever take me seriously again?
>>229082>implying trannies are more opressed than gays>implying that being trans is a real thing
But if anything that's proving my point that whites are coddled more. Trans activism revolves around them even though they're objectively the ones who need it the least.>>229170
No. Get back in your hole, loser.
That had literally nothing to do with being gender critical. And like >>229186
said, don't know why you felt the need to announce to everyone that you're a TIF. Stop derailing, no one cares.
I am though. I was born with a crippling mental illness that I can’t get a proper cure for because SJWs shut down anyone who tries. If I could take a magic pill that would make me feel comfortable being a butch lesbian I would, but sadly I’m forced to transition because there’s no other way out. No doctor or therapist will help me.
Sorry I brought my gender up, I guess.
also, just tell you therapist you don't want
to be a guy, you just don't like being a girl.
I’ve tried, believe me, with multiple therapists and a psychiatrist. They’re all trained to tell you to just transition to “become the guy you are”.>>229201
Frankenpeens are disgusting. I would never do that to myself.
Therapists trying to force transition is ??? Not helpful.
I don't really get what's "wrong" with being a butch lesbian, do you live in a village or somewhere super small-minded? A change of scenery may help you to ground your self-image. Nobody will bat an eyelid in the city at a butch lesbian, it's a super common thing.
Agreed with other anons, don't hurt your body+poison w testosterone etc when it's not even what you want
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This is from Jazz's past life regression with a hypnotherapist. I feel bad for him, I really do think his parents made him transition just so they could pretend he wasn't gay.
THIS. Fucking no excuse, sorry. Gender dysphoria is also a symptom of depression and anxiety. Both of which females suffer from and are treated for more far more aggressively than men. FTT anon is a masc dyke who got caught up in some shit and the test is wrecking their body. Find a gc therapist and talk to them. They need help, but not the way they’re getting it.
Please love yourself anon.
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I haven't watched the episode, but apparently Vice News did a report on #MeToo. Hilarious, considering they have their own allegations to contend with. Perhaps they should interview themselves.
Anyway, looks like they interviews a MTT. I'm glad women out there are telling him like it is.
Yeah, it’s a weird mashup of the best (worst?) in cow behavior. Fucked up munchie moms getting a free pass to the spotlight along with woke asspats from morons cheering them on as they watch the munchie’s socially sanctioned destruction of their children. If it were just happening to tumblr trenders, it might be funny. Unfortunately there are three years old out there, being coached, having their lives ruined without even knowing what’s happening or why. Sterility, loneliness, early death.
As it is, it’s just sick.
One thing that is true is that Jazz seems to be, for lack of a better word, frigid. He’s never gone through puberty and lacks in sexual feeling completely. He’s been told by his doctors that he needs to be able to have orgasms before the surgery takes place, or he’ll never have them. Jazz thinks it’s gross and doesn’t want to mess around with it.
These kids are going to be all shades of fucked up and there will be many, many lawsuits when they realize they were used as guinea pigs.
Yep. Sterile, anorgasmic adults created by moms and doctors participating in group crazy.
Remember that one fucked up endocrinologist said he was ‘salivating’ to bring to the states? Like he gives a damn about these kids, he cares about the size of his bank account. Tranny kids are going to grow up to be lonely freaks, completely fucked and the people who did it to them can burn.
The hostile replies from some other anons is so uncalled for. Sorry for that. I believe you and I understand why you feel the way you do but please PLEASE do not mess with chemicals or surgery to deal with the pressure from fetishists who don’t care about you as a person. Those people really don’t care. It’s a massive scheme for doctors to make money, anti-homosexuals to punish children and for mentally ill people to bring others down because they hate themselves so much.
Anon, how old are you? Is there any chance that you can move away to a less extreme place? I haven’t lived in the U.S. for several years but I keep hearing about how lesbian bars and Lesbian and Gay centers are no longer safe a refuge for questioning or confused people. Even therapists these days are more sketchy.
There’s is absolutely nothing wrong with being a masculine or butch woman. I’m a straight, stereotypically “girly” woman but I am so scared for gender non-conforming and lesbian woman. I had a period of my life in my teens where I was so depressed and uncomfortable with my body that I often wondered if I would be better off living as boy, rejecting those parts of me made me insecure instead of challenging gender expectations. I even started flirting with Anti-Feminist ideas because