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This thread is for the discussion of transgenderism / trans ideology from a gender critical and radical feminist perspective. It was originally created by Admin as an amalgamation of the TERF and Transgender threads.
Gender critical and radical feminism define gender
as sociological (feminine/masculine) and sex
as biological (female/male). Woman
is defined as an adult human female. Radical feminists seek to abolish gender as it is used by patriarchy to oppress women socially, reproductively, and financially. They strive to preserve women's spaces (such as restrooms, locker rooms, and health care providers) and areas of artistic and intellectual expression separate from men.
Trans ideology posits that one's gender is self-determined based on one's feelings and defines woman
as the characteristics and behaviors traditionally ascribed to females by society. Increasingly, transactivists are conflating gender and sex and asserting that a person can self-identify both gender and sex.
Gender critical feminists strive to maintain the distinction between gender and sex. The conflation of gender and sex erases the biological reality of women, eliminates women-only spaces, and disestablishes women as a protected class. Legislation currently being passed around the world allowing for self-identification on legal documents does not differentiate between gender and sex.
The acronym TERF (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminism) is used primarily by transactivists and their allies to denigrate radical feminists and other women who express gender critical ideas. Transactivists portray TERFs as violent oppressors by virtue of their ideas alone.
Posts of related news and web articles are welcome. Posts of photos, videos, and blogs of transactivists for the purposes of discussion and critique are welcome. Please refrain from derailing, infighting, and ad hominem attacks. This thread is not intended for the general discussion of sexuality, misogyny, and misandry.
Documenting violent crimes committed by transgender individuals
This Never Happenshttps://www.facebook.com/groups/1722756661380462http://transcrimeuk.com
Parents and clinicians concerned about transgender youthhttps://4thwavenow.comhttps://transgenderreality.com/abouthttps://www.transgendertrend.com
Cathy Brennan / Ally Missandryhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcOhi9MQDYOhodqxi81BZkA
TERF thread >>>/g/67378
Transpassing thread >>>/ot/214811
Trans women thread >>>/ot/203215
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The illustration in the OP was created by redkatherinee. She received hundreds of death threats after posting this piece satirizing trans activists' depiction of radical feminists.https://www.twitter.com/redkatherinee/status/956929658171346944
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Actually she received thousands
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also this happened
Dont expect tras to understand satire. Any critical comment or thought about them is LITERALLY KILLING THEM AND ITS RAPE BUT WORSE
They took it as her wanting to boil them alive in those comments when its was just a metaphore for how they see themselves as the victims of evil murdering terfs. And they unironically victimized themselves
You cant even bring up therapy as much. Its always >think youre trans?>get on hrt and get srs>no money? gofundme
Do you think these newer generations are going to be as sjw and liberal as this one? Im wondering how long the pushing of trans onto the public will last
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I never posted in this thread but… lol
God I fucking hate Twitter.
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I forgot to add this piece of shit tweet got 21k likes
A mod just redirected the conspiracy loon from the Transinvestigation thread back here. They were ousted (also banned?) from Gender Critical a couple of threads back.>>>/ot/312161
It was in thread #3 >>>/ot/249498
And they were banned >>>/ot/249947
And redtexted for ban evasion >>>/ot/250146
they really aren't, but ok.>>312490
really? i thought there were like, no male mods anymore? i'm surprised if there really is an AGP mod. normally they can't restrain their narcissistic rage in the face of 'terf'dom.
i think one of the mods is just a fucking idiot.
also, no, i disagree, many posters in the thread get heavy invested and then will argue with bait and get tilted super easy. they need to calm down a bit and spend less time in the thread.
Nah B. It's just like >>312485
says. Nothing about being a woman = privilege. Women are still denied jobs they are qualified for over hiring a man. Women are still told they need to be less emotional when they are expressing a point.
Women are still considered 'used goods' in some countries when they are raped.
Men are trash
TERF/ RADFEM= PEDOPHILES
fucking degenerates. They might as well say the average moderate American woman is a pedophile
Wtf they used her actual hair color, which means this was supposed to be her, not her character. Troons are fucking psychos.>>312498
Are you talking about Funk Brothers? I don't think he's a mod, or an AGP. He's just a sissy (similar to AGP, but without the skinwalking).>>312504
Yeah, she was 15 or 16 when she drew the original image.>>312515>>312556
Yeah, them reporting her is actually the reason she deleted her blog, because they knew where she lived and she was scared for her life.
That's fucked up what they did to her. But y'know, SHES LITERALLY KILLING TRANS PEOPLE WITH HER ART REEEEEE CIS WOMEN KILL TRANS PEOPLE EVERY DAY
God I hope she's alright. Leave it to troons to do shit like this over a comic.
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From personal experience and from what I researched on childhood development, a 2 year old is absolutely not capable of a) a thought that complex or b) forming a sentence that sophisticated. Point blank. And we know Jazz isnt super advanced intellectually.
At 24 months old children can form 2 word sentences. Pic related are the kind of questions 36 month olds can ask. (I use months because from month to month, development changes).
Jazz asking that at 2 or close to 3 is impossible and a damn lie. At 6? Maybe. But not 2 or 3. If the mom will lie about that, how trustworthy is she?
lol. And the characteristic foul smell that is documented in medical papers.>>312618
I also hope she's all right. Russians tend to be very cold and practical, and they probably think lesbians are better, a lot better than troons. If she's still in a bad situation, I hope someone from an LGB friendly country marries her or something.
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Private Eye (respected British satirical newspaper) made fun of Lily Madigan.
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Looking through the comments for fun and see this literal retardation
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I love Redkatherinee's art.
While a lot of tumblr users are just dumb I'm thinking some at least are pretending her art isn't satire so they have an excuse to hate and threaten her for being a vocal (through her art) lesbian radfem.
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There are still death threats and posts about throwing her into acid up on tumblr, yet "reasonable" tumblr users pretend that radfems are just as bad and should make Red apologize for her art. WTAF
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An artist draws "trans people boiling alive!!!" but it's more cartoonish rather than an actual depiction of violence, no blood and no gore.
Troons instead redraw it with actual blood and gore. Disappointed but very not surprised.
So we learned that a woman stating biology should "kill herself" or be violently killed with her intestines left hanging out, cool. What happens to men who state biology, may I ask? Because it's almost as if these lunatics think that the only people "antagonizing" trannies are women. I've never seen any of them calling out men… When it's actually men who kill them.
Hmmm how has he not gotten his a$$ kicked by some concerned boyfriend or parent?
Like I dont get it they say they're in such grave danger all the time but they're really not
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The anguish is real.
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This piece is gory, but still clearly satirical.
I think I found my Halloween costume.
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Sofia is her OC, so their depictions of violence against Sofia are personal.
what the fuck? especially that second one, thats so messed up. someone actually drew a depiction of this womans mutilated dead body because she drew a cartoon comic that goes against their beliefs.
can someone explain what pedophiles have to do with radfems and terfs??? did someone overdose on their daily hormone pills kek
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>can someone explain what pedophiles have to do with radfems and terfs?
Don't forget Nazis!
A few more were posted on KF.https://kiwifarms.is/threads/sjw-art-and-extremes.8410/page-444
i never understood the "let me pee in peace" sentiment troons always have. i know for a fact that me and many other women are uncomfortable knowing that some male is in a space where we are vulnerable, but apparently we dont get the right to go to the bathroom that was fucking made for us in the first place in peace. im willing to bet that the number of women uncomfortable with the idea of trannies in the female toilets greatly outnumbers the actual number of trannies, and that many people are lying about it so they dont get branded a transphobe. ive had some very liberal friends admit in private that they were uncomfortable with this as well.
have you guys ever noticed that whenever they make a transgender/gender neutral toilet they usually end up converting the womens?
They try very hard to connect terfs with any group unanimously hated by society. Particularly if it's a group that has a high overlap with troons, which pedophiles do.
They've tried to connect terfs to incels too. In fact they started a few months after radfems started pointing out that TRA rhetoric sounds a lot like incel rhetoric.
Basically it's projection.
It's ridiculous since troons are the ones who are at disturbingly high numbers into fascism and pedophilia; meanwhile radical feminists are obviously against such things.
But if you link the term terf together with nazis etc enough times it works on dumb tumblr kids who just ape whatever their dashboard says.
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I've never cared for Emma Watson but she's as obnoxious as JK Rowling.https://twitter.com/EmmaWatson/status/1052846691575980033
Yeah, I know. She can't act for shit.
But all the virtue signalling is making my blood boil.
I've just watched this video on YT with Kellie-Jay and hate how biased it is. Trannies always put themselves as victims and completely twist what you've said and wanted to say. Mostly though, it's the other women that tolerate this and shame radfems that I utterly despise. I can't believe feminists decades ago fought tooth and nail for voting and other rights and these women now are putting it to use like that. And the media is clearly on their side. It's just making me feel hopeless.
>>312896> her Beauty&the Beast and her "m-muh feminist icon"
barf, she was terrible in that movie. The movie itself was a disaster and I couldn't watch it for longer than half an hour.>>312897
wtf, I love JKR now.
They're so condescending to her. I'm not sure what I've expected.
Wow really? There was the pubkic outcry? lol>>312892
I kind if doubt that after all her>anti trump! >save the refugees! >yes dumbledore was gay and poc!
>>312923>anti trump is sjw pandering
sure thing buddy
I kinda hope she retcons one of the hp characters as trans, or the stupid fantastic beats franchise gets a trans character. It would be so milky
If you have to mention it publicly at least 10 times every day, then yes it is.
She's not american and there are far worse leaders out there, so why does she "care" about him so much? Hm, could it be because of her retared american fans…?
because her retarded american fans are the only ones that actually care about her kek she doesnt really get to choose whether to pander to them or not she has to>>312956
im from the uk and most normies who go on about him only care about him so that they can prove how "superior" we are.
This video made my head hurt. All this fucking pseudo-intelligent blabber. This dude got help from Riley J. Penis and Hontrapoints for the video, of course. I'm so tired of pro-trans videos from lefttube.
There's a really good comment, though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCxqdhZkxCo&lc=UgyZWV5d1-FkoeYPu4F4AaABAg
Probably too tl;dr for most people, but I just love seeing smart gender-critical women in leftist spaces. Even got quite a few thumbs up and people agreeing with her. I hope more leftists will start to be more critical of transgenderism soon.
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Also, look at this little weebfurryshit lmao. Judging from his other comments and profile, I unfortunately don't think this kid is trolling.
>do you really think that cloaking your transphobia in feminism will save you from the fists of gender neutral trans wrath? think again you clown. transphobia will never be tolerated
It's insane how careful you have to be when you find out some trans person online is not who they make themselves out to seem. I have majority trans activist friends and I remember once warning then about a certain user a couple of them follow and they all got suspicious of me. I had one DM me asking if I was transphobic for speaking negatively about this person. Like for real? Not even a week later another friend of mine who happens to be trans warns the same friends about the same user and they all reacted promptly and announced how they unfollowed them and praised them for speaking up.
It's so fucking frustrating.
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I just noticed this comic on the sidebar of /r/GenderCynical (the anti-GC subreddit)
I don't see how this makes radfems look bad? Oh no, mom doesn't want her minor to take estrogen! How irresponsible and evil!
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anyone else sick of having female friends come out as nonbinary? maybe that’s my cue to meet new people but i just want fucking girls to be friends with, not girls who decided they’re not women anymore because they have short hair and feel uncomfortable with performative femininity. i hate having to bite my tongue because i like them as individuals and don’t want to shit on them for their obvious confusion and self loathing. it’s always people who have had some personal trauma related to being a woman, too. it’s depressing.
Yesss! I sure am. I have been friends with this cosplayer for about 8 years now and see her all the time at cons. At the last big con we met up at, she was like 'i'm finally so happy. i came out as gender fluid and it makes sense cuz i hate wearing dresses, even though i'm a girl.'
These people are retarded. The entire gender fluid and non binary trend is just as fucking stupid as the trans thing, even though less harmless to say the least.
Curious what others thoughts are on surrogacy as I haven't seen it discussed before but it is something that is becoming more popular with gay male couples and transgenders.
In the article linked below a gay couple filmed their surrogate in labour without her permission for a TV show and while she was screaming in pain made comments about how she should have waxed and that she had a huge vagina. https://variety.com/2018/biz/news/flipping-out-bravo-trent-1202844060/
It comes off to me rather exploitative and they just saw her as a means to an end.
Yes I hate it. It sucks to see other women try to distance themselves from their bodies. I did the whole nonbinary thing for a year and I know it's because I felt pressured to by other trenders. I still have one of my closer internet friends still caught up into it. She surrounds herself with other people who are so deep into labeling themselves and defining their labels with stereotypes. I saw one of her friends making tweets like "omg I'm becoming more comfortable with being bisexual by listening to MCR" like I cannot relate to any of the "omg I'm soooo bi" shit she spews out.
Anyways, I recently noticed my friend added "she/they/he" to her social media pages and I know for a fact something is pressuring her. I feel like any time a friend of mine starts to reveal how they're giving into these trends I feel less close to them.>>313159
It's tough anon, thank you. I calmed down for a few months to avoid any more drama, but it's hard not to continue.
I have legit trans friends (truscum 4evah I guess), but as soon as they veer into activism talk or try to joke about people who are not down with TRA, I tune out, make an excuse, and leave. There is a late transitioner with a history of engaging in sexual harassment in my wider circle, and I make it very clear s/he's not a friend.
We as women are programmed to care take everyone in our vicinity, but trannies and genderspecials aren't puppies, they're grown ass adults with mental problems, and we don't have the qualifications for dealing with their shit just because we're the "caring" sex. Their issues are their issues, don't allow them to burden you with them. You wouldn't trust yourself to caretake someone with schizophrenia or cancer either. They need to take their suffering asses to a professional, and not expect feminists to heal all their feefees. If they try to unload all their problems on you, drop the rope.
It's honestly unnatural imo. I would rather see a het or lesbian couple raise a child than two men. There's something really not.. right about it.
I may be biased cuz i was raised by my mother and grandma, but still.
Tumblr used to be a place where you could talk openly about stuff and didn't have a SJW brigade in each corner waiting to jump some poor fandomfag who said "problematic
" stuff once in 2010. Nowadays the good days are long gone, but it's still relatively niche and i guess she drew stuff aimed at tumblr tervens to have fun, but it's really hard when they collectively decide to dogpile on someone like that.
Which makes it worse, since they're a buncha grown adults dogpiling on a teenager. Why in the fuck would any of these people who sent her 10,000 messages with death and rape threats or drew gore of her think this is okay if they're an "all-loving" movement? All-loving till someone disagrees so battery, murder and rape are a-ok? kek
One that's not really a friend, more like a mutual associate "came out" as NB. Looks just like your regular young woman, albeit with a shock hair color. I got the feeling that she caved in under peer pressure as so many people around her are trans/nb and she felt like being cis isn't good enough like anon here >>313273
>it’s always people who have had some personal trauma related to being a woman, too. it’s depressing.
This. >>313254>“If I was a surrogate, and I had known there was going to be an audience, I probably would have waxed,” Lewis said on the broadcast. “And that was the shocking part for Gage. I don’t think Gage had ever seen a vagina, let alone one that big.”
Jesus fucking christ these assholes. Disgusting.
The best part is the ad they're protesting against is pro-women and not anti-trans.
Fuck surrogacy. I'm so glad it's completely banned where I live. The annoying thing is that our big LGBT organisation wants non-commercial surrogacy to be legalised. What about women's rights? I really don't think there's a way for surrogacy to be not exploitative.
And I doubt men usually don't understand what pregnancy does to the body and the risks.
surrogacy is inherently dangerous to the surrogate mother with a shitton of risks and side effects, only to have the child you carried for 9 months taken away. how is this shit not illegal everywhere?
and even when its voluntary, someone is still exploiting someone elses body to have a child. if you cant have a child, dont have a fucking child.https://surrogate.com/surrogates/pregnancy-and-health/emotional-and-medical-risks-of-surrogacy/
usually when youre pregnant you get a baby at the end instead of having to give it to someone else and having no legal rights to see the child you birthed. its easy to say before you actually go through with it that you can do it, but pregnancy hormones and maternal instincts happen and many surrogates end up getting attached to the child.
read the multiple accounts written by surrogates who regret doing it. especially with close friends and family, something like this can completely destroy a relationship.
>>313394>How is it explorative if a mentally competent woman gives her informed consent
Because women aged 18-30 (or whatever the typical age for surrogacy is) are often very vulnerable and need to be protected from couples desperate for children looking to exploit them. No one has the right to biological children.
Also, no one is pushing an agenda. Finding surrogacy morally wrong is a very common stance in a lot of Western countries.
Hence informed consent. Read the accounts of it going well in addition to the negatives.
You’re acting like these women didn’t know they would get to keep the baby or something.
I've seen it for real in a bar once. Men and All, private toilets, so basically men could use both in a hurry but women had to wait more.
It's kind of silly but it's a stupid design imo.
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"trans" is just mental illness
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It really is. That's why they commit a shocking amount of sexual assault, they actually are worse than cis men. There's fewer of them, fortunately, but they're utter sociopaths.
Remember those two "gay" (pedo) guys who got a Russian surrogate because they wanted a baby sex slave to farm out? Lolcow farm remembers: https://www.smh.com.au/national/couple-offered-son-to-paedophiles-20130630-2p5eg.html
>''Being a father was an honour and a privilege that amounted to the best six years of my life,'' the American-born Newton, 42, told the court.
>The abuse began just days after his birth. Over six years the couple travelled the world, offering him up for sex with at least eight men, recording the abuse and uploading the footage to an international syndicate known as the Boy Lovers Network.
They started to molest that baby days after he was born. I don't know why we can't be like China and take these monsters down with a quick neckshot in spite of providing them with a comfy room for the next forty years.
The staff responsible for the publication they were protesting against were not working today, that's hilarious. Trannies are such narcissists they never check anything for accuracy. >>313370
There are some men I would trust, but none of them are trannies. Too many autopedophiles amongst them, and they dress like little kids because that's the age they are attracted to. Where are the parents of the couple of grandparents that let Stefonknee play with their granddaughter btw?
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you'd think but most TIMs are like this
Theyre both getting max sentences thank god. I just cant completely ban surrgacy in my mind. If you cant carry but someone you trust and love offers to help and you include her in your family (as much as she chooses to be), that wouldnt be too bad? Its just commercial surrgacy that makes me uneasy and can understand why its banned in alot of countries.>>313444
Trump does not care about trannies whatsoever. All he does is trigger
them but that doesnt last and they continue to invade and infest our spaces like >>313463
pointed out. Pence does but he also hates how women arent quiet incubators for men. So idk
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This is the advert that Metro published, which made the troons throw smoke bombs at the Metro hq and blocked people from leaving the building.
YIKES. The first one gets a sexual kick out of dominating and invading female spaces and the second one has OCD which makes him hyperfixated on his gender. What sort of a quack doctor would let these people transition?>>313483
I'm speechless, these people are basically terrorists and a danger to society. Fuck their "human rights".
He is so gross
I’ve been going to the same gym for like 5 years and have literally never seen a woman parade around naked taking selfies, at most it’s a gaggle of middle aged women getting dressed while discussing their vacations or some shit
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Gotta blame women somehow while wanting to be one>>313500
Its cause of the feelings over facts mentality. The most masucline man can feel like a woman and self id. Because all feelings are valid and proper therapy is transphobic
Let's hope the journalists at Metro write about it. I haven't seen anything in other newspapers.>>313500
It's allowed because people don't really know about self-id and what it means, unless their are indoctrinated by troons which a lot of "woke" people are. Troons are trying to smear women speaking out as anti-trans bigots and silence debate because if the average person learn what self-id is then they will be against it.
There's a lot of them in the fandom I'm in. They're decent enough people to chat with, sometimes even good people to chat with. But yeah, so many of them are "nonbinary" or use male pronouns (and you just know if someone is telling you what pronoun to use, in reality, they are usually the opposite). I respect the pronoun thing to avoid unnecessary drama, but it doesn't change the fact that I still think a lot of them are young women with internalized misogyny and are likely closeted lesbians, or bisexuals at least. I'm also in my 30's, and i'm not gonna say I have all the experience in the world, but I've been around long enough, I've had to deal with my own issues. A lot of these young girls are facing the problems almost all of us face - the struggle of being a woman in a society that still loathes women. So, they claim they are men or nonbinary.
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May I ask how you stopped being racist? I went from libfem to radfem to alt right to nothing now. I have no ideology. But I can't seem to shake the whole race realism thing off, and I can't stand how much GC coddles black feminist women (and gay men for that matter). The whole Womanism created feminism thing just screams WE WUZ KANGZ to me. You get comments in GC all the time encouraging this like "when black women are free, everyone is free. Center black women in feminism." That was a comment in GC and there's many like it.
I'm not centering anyone but women, girls and myself. This thread btw https://reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/8nz3he/black_feminist_fed_up_with_intersection/
Inb4 I'm racist comments. Pic related, revisionist history. Rosie was a white woman.
Personally for me, what does it is looking at the straight facts and statistics about how black people, particularly black women, vote.
Black women have been doing their bit, voting for the most female-positive laws and candidates. I admire the conviction and the willingness to get shit done for women.
You're mostly in the right track, anon.>I can't stand how much GC coddles black feminist women
It's the low-hanging fruit in the oppression olympics and I'm sorry to say but most people currently engaged in any sort of activism is guilty of trying to compete (to varying degrees, and for a variety of reasons. I believe libs do it in earnest and GC do it as a rhetoric tool because most people agree with the libs, but I digress) and black is the group who has most recently and predominantly been enslaved and discriminated against, so they're the oppressedest. Black men can still be criticized for being men, but black women are the ultimate gold medalists, so their words are
worth a lot more than anyone else's in the current debate.
Also this >>313574
And all of this is just to reiterate my point: most activists are either dumb, cringe, overemotional or all of them at once (or will
have some other characteristic that will make you hate them and everything they say). You just have to distance the group from the ideas, consider the ideas by themselves, then either adopt them (the ideas) or abandon them. You don't need to join the group, just occasionally work with it for ends you both have in common.
Again, consider the ideas, not the group. If you stick around the group you're bound to spend too long in the echo chamber, get no challenging information, and adopt their racist meme ideas.
I've been getting into "realism" (in this 'race realism' sense) regarding everything, from race to sex to genes etc, I think it's good to examine reality instead of denying it… which is what most lefties currently do and believe, that people are blank slates filled in by socialization and if only we had equality, everyone would be equally as intelligent, as affluent, as likely to get into sports or compsci etc etc as one another.
Which is… simply not true. A lot of things are hardwired into us, but that doesn't necessarily mean they have to stay that way (cue transhumanism). And that doesn't necessarily mean anyone is inferior or superior, inferiority is a value judgment and values are in no way objective (see: moral nihilism). Nothing says that whatever results we might find from this 'realism' need to be interpreted under our own current values.
I'm not sure what point I'm trying to make anymore, just trying to give you some guideposts lel, but you're probably right to be somewhat racist in the sense that most black people will do what you already know they'll do, just try not to let your feelings get in the way of your thinking too much.
>Rosie was a white woman.
Nobody even knows who she is anymore, that image has become cultural symbol. If someone's saying she was black that's revisionism but just changing the symbol to represent current ideology is not.
I don't really understand your post. How does GC "coddle black feminist women"? Aren't they part of women and girls who you claim to center?
The Rosie image is a girlpower meme at this point but was originally placed in a factory to encourage female workers to work harder. It's not of any specific woman.https://allthatsinteresting.com/rosie-the-riveter
Not her, but I'd recommend getting into Marxism, seriously. It's scientific and rational unlike the conspiracy theories of the alt-right. Understand history, capitalism and everything that led us up to this point. You'll be suprised how accurate the Communist Manifesto is even today, 150 years after its publication (while e.g. Mein Kampf is just the crazy rambling of a racist old man). And not everyone on the left is into identity politics, most people I know think the obsession on minorities and trans people is rather ridiculous and regressive. And while there's definitely some chauvinism on the left, socialist movements have always been in favor of the liberation of women and there's a lot of great female Marxists (Rosa Luxemburg, Angela Davis) too.
On the race realism issue, I think it's fine and even important to recognize that some cultures are different to others and we aren't all 'equal'. But it's also important to understand that most people aren't inherently bad - they're a product of their enviroment. That doesn't make certain stuff okay, of course, but it's not something rooted in nature. And there were/are people all over the world of all ethnic backgrounds trying to make a positive change.
so.. they want hrt and srs, for it to all be paid for by everyone else, dont want mental evaluations from professionals, use their mental illness against other people as a shield from criticism but dont want it to be treated..
..how do you fix this?
Yes they are. Which is why this quote is ridiculous "when black women are free, everyone is free. Center black women in feminism."
They coddle them because they tend to say things like:
>"Feminism should work to secure the rights of all women, but many white feminists have failed to invest real effort on behalf of women of color. I do not blame women of color for their disappointment and resentment, although I think it's also worth noting that many remarkable women of color have identified as feminists and been involved in feminism."https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/7ru3to/question_for_white_women_how_do_you_feel_about/dszvmvv
Like how is that comment not coddling and belittling towards black feminists? It's basically saying "Um white feminists you're fighting for women's rights but you're not doing advocacy for black issues, you need to help black feminists more. Also, black feminists are sooo brilliant YAY cuz they participate!" Fuck that, I signed up to help all women, if black women aren't helped enough then so be it. I'm not going to center any racial group over the other. Advocacy for all women and girls should be enough
Anyone can fill out the consultation, not just people from the UK. You have until Monday, so please say no to sex self-ID.
Does anyone do gender-crit/radfem on IG? @adulthumanfemale
WHO thinks reclassifying gender incongruence as a sexual health condition is the fix.
I don't understand why this change hasn't received more coverage in GC media.Gender incongruence, meanwhile, has also been moved out of mental disorders in the ICD, into sexual health conditions. The rationale being that while evidence is now clear that it is not a mental disorder, and indeed classifying it in this can cause enormous stigma for people who are transgender, there remain significant health care needs that can best be met if the condition is coded under the ICD.http://www.who.int/health-topics/international-classification-of-diseases
Thank you, I'll look into Marxism. I know of Marxism Anarchism and that may be it.
Also, I don't resent black feminist women anymore. It's just to either we need to baby them and give them special, extra help OR they are brilliant feminists who do valuable work for the feminist movement. It can't be both. I mean I suppose it can, but your definition of brilliant and valuable is probably much different than mine.
You don't need to treat people like humans to breed them.
Also, slavery built the foundation of American wealth, which is why slaves were often expensive and there was an entire war fought over keeping them. The issue is that while slave masters were given reparations, and people like Benedict Cumberdatch still benefit from the wealth generated from owning slaves, the actual slaves and their own families remained in the underclass, and still do today (deliberately, at that).
>>313647>You don't need to treat people like humans to breed them.
People? You mean women?
>Also, slavery built the foundation of American wealth, which is why slaves were often expensive and there was an entire war fought over keeping them. The issue is that while slave masters were given reparations, and people like Benedict Cumberdatch still benefit from the wealth generated from owning slaves, the actual slaves and their own families remained in the underclass, and still do today (deliberately, at that).
Ok, I'll consider that and get back to you
Props to Metro for not giving into insane virtue signalling.>>313499
Agree. She only frequents expensively places where she never has to deal with the gutter trash that are perverse TiMs. >>313500
Dumb as rocks plus people always give sociopathic men "the benefit of the doubt", and TiMs are even more sociopathic than your regular violent man.>>313604
Sort of agree, this whole trans bullshit thing definitely has a capitalist/corporate push behind it because these lunatics will need to be on big phrama produced hormones forever, for the rest of their lives, and that's a lot of money at steak.
Remember when scene kids existed and all called themselves Sarah suicide or Natalie narcotic?
Sadly businesses won't consider that, because in their mind these things don't happen and when they do women just shut up and take it. (Until they don't.) >>313804
Ah okay, thank you anon!
What an interesting read. Everyone go read this woman who went undercover at the Pro-GRA conference. Some parts which are pretty lolworthy
>He said the TRAs need to build allies in mainstream women and children’s organisations so it looks like they care about them.
>Apparently small acts like helping to campaign about period poverty or retweeting the local branch of Women’s Aid will make a difference and result in some reciprocation. They want to make it look like they care about Women's issues so they don’t appear threatening
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OK its a little tl:dr but the basic gist is on a rather terrible comments section over at the mary sue they are arguing about trans and this one transwoman is arguing they are biologically trans (the first few comments) i cant-like can someone put this into laymans terms for me?
The article link if anyone is interestedhttps://www.themarysue.com/philip-pullman-trans-argument-tweet/
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This is awesome.
His whining aside, his blatant lies and retconning are unbelievable.
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Engaging in our right to gather and discuss has a cost!
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The event has been moved.
honestly how triggered
do these people get lol
if someone made a wifi hotspot called "women are men" or "men are women" i'd probably have a quick laugh and forget about it but 'oh nooo' this is abusive because it has the word trans in it!
would it be considered inclusive if they made the wifi name "men are transwomen"?
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Self-Iding totally won't be abused say the troons.
Do you really think men in wigs will storm women's bathrooms, lol you're so paranoid?
I'm afraid of looking for a job after I finish my STEM degree because getting a job is really tough if you're a woman. I can totally see companies hiring TiMs to make it seem like they're diverse and have "women" on their team when everyone knows they're men.
I just want off this planet.
I'd like to set it up myself, not for petty reasons but I'd like a genuine place where any non afab would be banned on sight without being labelled misandryst/transphobic so we could have women topics without fear.
Another thing I really wanted to set up was a afab lesbian dating site also using the non gendered crap as an excuse because I know I'd really need it. Dating is hard and I don't even live in a SJW paradise yet lots of trannies have infested bars, organisations, and events. It's a nightmare.
Not sure how I feel about this. On one hand, I'm like "oh hey, something good to come out of this administration, who would have thought" on the other hand I actually want ftms in my spaces even less than mtfs.
Out of curiosity, what is everyone's take on ftms? It seems we barely ever discuss them, but my experience with them has actually been far worse than mtfs. It seems the bulk of them suffer from overwhelming internalized misogyny and toxic masculinity envy.
>>313967> The Trump administration is considering narrowly defining gender as a biological, immutable condition determined by genitalia at birth
Can't believe that I love Trump.
It sucks that you have to side with someone who probably views women as nothing more than baby factories but on the other hand, I just really hate trannies.>>313978
I hate TiFs. As you mentioned, it's intense misogyny multiplied, and they've betrayed their own sex.
You can dress in an androgynous way and have predominately male interests without cutting off your tits and changing pronouns. What a way to challenge gender roles.
And they seem to overcompensate lack of being male in being violent and aggressive. I can't sympathise with them at all.
wtf I love trump now
also love that totally unbiased, totally not sensationalist headline.
I feel like we need more discussion about FtM here too. There are a few case of transgenderism that I'll let pass but most of the FtMs now are kind of annoying, or just sad cases. It seems like lately we've got too many transgender people, both MtF/FtM being clearly mentally ill or not well-adjusted people trying to find and easy way out. It's a big issue on its own.>>313979
You underestimated 'smol gay bois' presence in places like Grindr. They can get super obnoxious and do yell at gay guys for not fucking with them or other stupid reasons. Although many of them are just shitless scared to actually go an extra mile to ruin actual gay men lives and will just scream on their tumblr and get panic attacks
. Or resorting to bully 'terfs' instead.
There are also overcompensating masculinity all previous poss saids.
>>313982>>313980>I love Trump>has sexually assaulted multiple women>has appointed a rapist to a position that gives him power over our rights>has straight up said he wants to jail women for having abortions>wants to cut funding to women's health
But you know, as long as he hates the troons he's clearly on our side and deserving of support.
In all seriousness, though, please tell me you guys don't seriously like Trump now that he's doing this. Your hatred of trannies can't seriously trump (no pun intended) all this other shit. I would gladly share space with a tranny if it meant I got to keep my rights not to be an incubator have blatant misogynists and rapists in charge of laws that effect women.
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this might "roll back trans rights" or whatever, but isn't this also the opposite of what we want? this will just strengthen gender roles – it reinforces the walls of the "act like a woman" and "act like a man" boxes.
>biological, immutable condition determined by genitalia at birth
that's just called sex! fuck me are you anons absolutely incapable of critical thought?
sorta unrelated but i joined a similar kind of group on facebook, but it was definitely meant for women. i remember a year and a half ago when troons started getting more mainstream recognition i waited for the moment some trans activist would felt like being inclusive and inviting one in. i haven't checked the feed in a while and i'm sort of hesitant to, the last time i looked there was nonstop virtue signaling.
tbh an AFAB issues place would be pretty neat, but i feel like the FtMs will just try talking about taking hormones and ebil terfs whenever someone tries to suggest a safer alternative
>>313995>biological, immutable condition determined by genitalia at birth
its just quoting the article…
To all of you, don't start shitting up a sane thread on here with trump sperging.
No one takes ftms seriously, they're not a sex pest to gays, they're just a curiosity and a laughing stock. TiMs otoh are often huge and have the same or higher violent crime rates as other males. Ftms hyped on test can still be dangerous though. If they won't leave you alone, call the police. Some fat tumblr softboi was just arrested in Thailand for defacing one of their ancient walls.>>313967>>313980>>313982
I made this comment >>313444
, and Papa Trump came through a lot sooner than I thought, lmao. Hilary just gave some damning evidence about Bill not abusing his position with Monica, it's less than two years before the next elections, and the dems still don't have a viable candidate. They still won't take Bernie because he doesn't kowtow to their corporate interests. Better the devil you know, I guess. We can make an underground railroad for abortions and plan B, while letting Trump and Pence take care of the troon menace before their eight years run out.
We know the Trump administration is bad news for women, but at least they're open about it. I fucking hate the left with their >99.97% of women are actual women>but we can't discuss a single fucking thing about women>without giving all of our attention to that 0.03% of really loud and entitled (wo)men >who will not stop being a fucking nuisance >and if an actual woman dares to disagree with anything they say>they threaten to violently sexually assault us with their dicks>like the insane male sociopaths they are.
because it's equating gender with sex, when gender's a bullshit concept in the first place, used to enforce those dumb rules about girls and liking pink and boys and having short hair and being into cars.
sex is a biological immutable condition determined by genitalia, gender is just a patriarchal tool to oppress.
Gender roles should be challenged but it's easier to challenge them when you don't have trannies enforcing all the gender stereotypes to claim whatever they're trying to mimic.
Gender critical means that you're critical of the gender roles that are imposed on you which is the result of your sex, not your imaginary gender.
The large majority of people have never had a gender studies class and do not understand the difference. In some languages, it's the same word and the terms are used completely interchangeable in many others. As it is now, because sex isn't legally defined, troons can change not just their names and gender, but their actual sex on their birth certificates, which is a scientifically completely wrong, a problem for those that are the children of these abominations because suddenly they've been fathered by no one (in Canada Morgane Oger is screeching about how he is his kids' "biological mother", those poor kids, kids have a right to know where they came from, and that right trumps tranny delusions), and it's also often a way of hiding their criminal history, including their sex offender registration. >>314008
Is it at work or at university? She's a menace.>>314007https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/mom-im-in-trouble-grande-prairie-woman-faces-decade-in-thai-prison/ar-BBOCcZ4?ocid=spartanntp
Sorry to hear that anon. Keep on distancing yourself.>He was a little mentally off before his transition, but after her started T he became absolutely insane
No wonder, adding an unnatural amount hormones isn't something the body is meant to handle. T makes you aggressive so it's gonna fuck those women up. This is dangerous!
>>313978>toxic masculinity envy
3 years ago I would've disagreed with you, they used to be mostly sad but they've become much nastier. I'm starting to think they don't have the guts to be aggressive unless they're LARPing as uncaring seme. I can be sympathetic to their issues with feminity or female sexual characteristics, but I'm not going to give them a pass for being assholes or downright abusers.>>314008
Sorry you had to deal with that, anon. Hopefully someone gets this situation under control before it's too late.
I pretend. My social circle is full of troons and handmaidens so if I was honest about how I feel I'd get death threats.
But I've spoken privately to other women I know and when nobody else is around we seem to agree.
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snowflake FTM trannies and SJWs are what is wrong with the world
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They love preaching in their hormone voices about how their surgically altered bodies are more attractive and how their mutilated infection dick hole wounds are better than real vaginas. I'm tired of hearing these mentally disabled men claim that they make better women than actual women.
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The main pro-BDSM sperger on another thread, who was also homophobic, turned out to be a TIM.
Why do they even browse this site? Can't they fuck off?
It's not like people here will indulge their sick fetishes.
I loved how he triumphantly said TERF like he thought that was some big gotcha that was gonna win the argument and make everyone do the performative
>What's a TERF>OMG I never knew about that wow>TERFs are evil!>TERFs are worse than Nazis!>I love troons, where are my medals?
You know why, it's a female space…
I'm just glad the average lolcow poster doesn't tolerate them.
I was one of three people accused to being a troon in that thread. The other person accused didn't bring up trannies at all and I didn't bring up kink at all. I didn't even say anything protrans, I just asked someone if they were a TERF based on the fact they said LGB and not LGBT. Then I pointed out the irony she was getting self-righteous to the point of telling other anon to die on behalf of the LBG community when they were excluding trans people because, whether we like it or not, our position against trans people is not the general consensus of the community. The third person called a groom wasn't even part of the conversation and made a completely unrelated post about how they were worried about the children of people who regularly browse here.
And now this anon is coming here complaining about the "tranny" in the thread, when it was three separate people accused of being a tranny, none of which even said anything pro-trans.
The autism is next level and I am genuinely impressed.
I was the fourth anon accused for being a troon for disagreeing with something unrelated
Sometimes I worry about anons here
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did the troon really just come into the gender critical thread and write an essay
three? how did you figure out it was three? there's no usernames attached to these posts…
no radfem would ask "TERF?" after seeing the acronym LGB, try harder
Unless kink anon and the anon who said they feared for the kids of users here were the same anon, there was three. And then there's this anon apparently >>314187
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We owe Gigi one, he's capable of making so many women reach peak trans all at once. He's doing radfems a great service.
Oh my god, you guys are just being ridiculous. I post in these threads regularly. I'm (>>314099 and >>314008
). Can we put an end to this now before this thread gets derailed too?
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i regret visiting this video
Kek, the delusion and wishful thinking…wow
It sounds like a robot who hasn't even transitioned yet, because if he did he'd know how pathetic and disgusting fake vaginas actually are
Oh nice hi yay Im famous :) Im the pro-bdsm anon.
Are you the troll who said the thing about the y chromosome? Because it's a pretty ridiculous ad hominem to throw at someone when you have nothing better to say.
I am a female and I only took part in the bdsm discussion. Later clarified that I dont tend to get involved in trans issues as you have to walk on eggshells usually talking about that topic.
It's a discussion that sparked from someone else and I didn't take part in it. I dunno how that affects your math.
You can keep ranting about my posts I suppose. You're entitled to your opinion. But just wanted to clear that up to give you more accurate information and help you sperg more!
Sometimes I feel bad about not accepting trans people, but then I read shit like this. This is some high tier mental illness right here.>>314195
I didn't watch the video because this shit legit enrages me, but one of the comments references him saying his situation is worse than miscarrying and I actually wish severely horrible things upon him if that's the case.
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Hey, he's right. A "natal" can carry a life, max 8 fetuses at once, while their designer vajayjays can carry over a million lives at once (including mold)… kek
comments regarding them in womens events always end up being>this shit is wrong>men are better at women at everything and women should just give up lol
Its bad enough that women who are active in athletics get so much shit for being weaker than men. Now men want to take away achievements too
I hate this. Let women work out and compete in peace. fuck
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>Women comes in third(I think)
>Calls her a loser
holy shit I hate this.
Because men are the ones oppressing women. White women (usually) are not the ones oppressing black women. I'll pay attention when it's a specific issue of white women being shitty to black women but until then they can fight for themselves. Same for other races, you can't act like a jerk and complain about how people shouldn't 'tone police' then expect them not to dislike you and turn their backs on you.
The day black women stop holding "early feminists didn't care about black women!" over white women's head is the day I'll give a fuck about their particular struggle.
One really gross part is he's comparing it to when black athletes couldn't compete against whites and saying she's no better than whites who wanted sports segregated. As if bigotry is the only reason for a woman to complain about competing against a troon and there's no inherent major physical advantage they have.
How do non-transpeople not see what's so overwhelmingly wrong with this???
Whenever I point that out to someone I like to follow it with a suggestion that a person could be trans-species. When I'm inevitably called ridiculous I say "that's how people sound when they say you can ignore biology because all that matters is identity!".
I spoke to a TIF the other day who seemed to genuinely believe that she was a threat to women in changing rooms etc because she was now a man. Like you can just opt into a male body and male socialisation and become a rapist! Trans people really give bad impressions of gender…
Not a black radfem, but she basically points out the hypocrisy of the race/gender thing.https://twitter.com/renee_jg/status/1044325015808659456
Also, I used to follow a couple of black radfems who would call troons out on their shit, but it seems like they've been deleted by Twitter. Here's one that's still active.https://twitter.com/RadfemBlack
mine was unfortunately dating a man who trooned out a year into our relationship
leaving him was the best choice i made in a long time.
I didn't expect to see his face on the internet after I left, but null from Kiwifarms actually posted a pic of him hanging out with the site famous troon Buffalo Bill at the beach
Trans belong in lgb as much as asexuals do, which is to say not at all.
Transgender isn’t a sexuality, it’s an identity issue. Why should they be lumped in with lgb people as if lgb is the place where we dump degenerates?
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pic related is an official still from the movie. they kind of portray it like a joke, one of the "funny" lines is literally "you didn't have to chris brown the bitch" and they refer to her as "real fish" smh
Learn to read, dolt. I have established my anti-trans position several times. All I have said is that the LGB community as a whole is in support of transpeople because that is simply a fucking fact. Our views do not represent the majority of LGB people whether we like it or not.
This was put to rest hours ago and you brought it back to argue against a point that wasn't ever even being made.
>>314401>All I have said is that the LGB community as a whole is in support of transpeople
I find this really, really hard to believe tbh. I know the T is pretty much officially added, but it's not like the community as a whole got to vote on it and come to a consensus or anything. Obviously vocal tumblrites support troons and troons themselves loudly and invasively promote themselves as part of the community, but surely deep down most gay people don't think they're the same. Any sane lesbian must hate them, at the very least.
It's just difficult to be openly opposed in this climate so we can't really know who genuinely accepts them or not.
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This tweet is such a big lie. The only time they are uwu discriminated are when gay/lesbian rejects a trannie. And do they actually expect people to take their cult seriously. I would have understood if they act normally, w/o attacking anyone and anything while playing victim card all the time. Come on.
I wonder what it will take for people to realize it's fucking bullshit. Next troons will want to olympics to be opened up for them. What's gonna stop countries who give no shit like Russia or China to send out trans athletes under the cover of getting back more medals ?
"Oh but there will be extensive testing to make sure they're really trans" But what about athletes in bumfuck countries who are gonna realize they can throw away their life as a male if that can afford them a shot at feeding their family ?
And I bet with more self ID bullshit, it's then gonna deemed transphobic to request that (trans) women athletes go through SRS or hormones.
All that's gonna be achieved is women being pushed out of sport all together once again. Tolerance is gonna give a plateform to the never opressed again and who's gonna have to bend over backward ? Oh wow what a shocker, it's women again !!
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Lush is going full Tr00n now
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They did some troon shit a while back too, that I can't remember. I've never bought from them, and from the looks of it, never will.
Also, that quote about being "strong, resilient, and used to retaining our dignity" is amusing. With the way they threaten suicide, endlessly bring up suicide statistics, and act hysterical in public. Yeah, real strong, resilient, and dignified there.
Using the term "AFAB" is capitulating to gender ideology. A person is not assigned a sex.>>313980
Why would you hate women who are only embracing being trans as a response to being oppressed by patriarchy?>>314377>>314479
When T was added, its community was very small and the majority had been living as gays and lesbians.
Originally T truly meant trans in both the community and medically, not the umbrella of infinite spectrum of special genders it is now. Transsexuality and Gender Identity Disorder were added to the DSM III in 1980. In subsequent decades the terms for diagnosis and treatment were changed to reduce stigma, which brings us to the current year which sees WHO removing gender incongruence from mental disorders. The DSM discussion groups have been discussing reclassification as well. 6 isn't due for a while. Worst case, it will include new diagnostic criteria for children and adolescents validating their medical transition. Best case, the backlash will continue to build, and it will maintain problems with gender identity as a disorder.
The author of the article confusingly used sex
interchangeably in the first paragraph. And in the context of the article, gender
refers to gender identity. All of the direct quotes from the DHHS memo use the term sex
as exclusive to gender identity.“Sex means a person’s status as male or female based on immutable biological traits identifiable by or before birth,” the department proposed in the memo, which was drafted and has been circulating since last spring. “The sex listed on a person’s birth certificate, as originally issued, shall constitute definitive proof of a person’s sex unless rebutted by reliable genetic evidence.”
In the context of legislation, the term sex
was always understood to be defined as biological sex, and men
strictly referred to the sexes. They didn't need to be explicitly defined. By the time Obama was elected, transgender ideology had taken hold, assisted by PC culture, lobbying to redefine and expand what those words mean legally.
The memo also cites protections of sexual orientation as an overreach.
Is DHHS seeking to dismantle those protections as well?In their memo, health and human services officials wrote that “courts and plaintiffs are racing to get decisions” ahead of any rule-making, because of the lack of a stand-alone definition.“Courts and the previous administration took advantage of this circumstance to include gender identity and sexual orientation in a multitude of agencies, and under a multitude of laws,” the memo states. Doing so “led to confusion and negative policy consequences in health care, education and other federal contexts.”
Protections of sexual orientation and gender identity are not necessarily contingent on the definition of sex
For example, the EEOC interprets protections against discrimination on the basis of sex to include sexual orientation and gender identity. It considers discrimination against both to be "sex discrimination based on non-conformance with gender norms and stereotypes".
Codifying the definition of sex as "a person’s status as male or female based on immutable biological traits" would not negate or nullify the EEOC's reasoning.https://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/newsroom/wysk/enforcement_protections_lgbt_workers.cfmEEOC interprets and enforces Title VII's prohibition of sex discrimination as forbidding any employment discrimination based on gender identity or sexual orientation.While Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 does not explicitly include sexual orientation or gender identity in its list of protected bases, the Commission, consistent with Supreme Court case law holding that employment actions motivated by gender stereotyping are unlawful sex discrimination and other court decisions, interprets the statute's sex discrimination provision as prohibiting discrimination against employees on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.
Worth noting, the EEOC's interpretation has not prevented cases alleging discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation from being defeated in the courts, and SCOTUS has thus far declined to hear a case.
>>314484>troons calling anyone or anything "extremist"
Now this is ironic.
Trump, hurry up and do the thing.
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I'm laughing hysterically at their "shareable" galaxy screenshotted version. Is it really that serious she's gotta add an ~aesthetic~ to it? KEK
Because if someone's words (or lack of words) is violence then it's justified to respond with actual real violence.
Or in other words, when women saying or not saying something is violent you're allowed to punch them in the face. We know how much they like hitting women.
True. I suddenly remembered this
“Men often react to women’s words—speaking and writing—as if they were acts of violence; sometimes men react to women’s words with violence. So we lower our voices. Women whisper. Women apologize. Women shut up. Women trivialize what we know. Women shrink. Women pull back. Most women have experienced enough dominance from men—control, violence, insult, contempt—that no threat seems empty.”
― Andrea Dworkin
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Here is a venn diagram.
Humans are a sexually dimorphic species. Anyone who claims otherwise is an idiot. We are not anti science here. However just because there are differences between the sexes, doesn't mean women are lesser or should be treated lesser.
Men have denser bones, more muscle fibres, less nerves and fat under their skin. Men have larger lungs and broader heads and a higher centre of gravity. Speaking of course in general. So yes, in physical sports, particularly contact sports, males have an advantage over females except in their centre of gravity. This is why we have male and female categories in sports. Now that isn't to say there aren't women out there that are stronger than 'most' men. They exist, however they are rare. Their existence proves the rule.
>>314848>Because I know a lot of feminists say that women are as physically capable as menBecause I know a lot of feminists say that women are as physically capable as men
Sorry but where? I don't know any woman who denies the physical differences, in fact most feminists point it out frequently to justify why we're at so much risk from men, why we're afraid of them, and why they have so much power historically.
The gap in strength between us is massive. It's not like, the best female athlete is as good as the 10th best male athlete or something. They're as good as the 1000th best male athlete. I don't feel even the slightest bit bad about that, we can give birth and although that has screwed us over in many ways it's still a form of significant power to compensate for our lack of strength. It's good sportsmanship to separate men and women, and it doesn't diminish the efforts and successes of female athletes. Plus, I do sports that involve flexibility and being graceful so we sure as fuck have an advantage over men with those things.
Look out for my edge, but men are
expendable in my eyes
Men start wars. Men encourage wars and violence. They are historically known to use violence to take things by force.
I feel no real sympathy.
I am more moderate in my view about men, and I do feel bad about them. Some men can be good, some are just entitled little shit.
I'd rather look at it case by case.
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Thought you ladies would get as good of a laugh out of this post from r/transpassing as I did.
I feel empathy for them too despite not being from a military family.
But hearing about rape in the army, rape victims during wartime does make me angry. I know it's #notallmen but rape during war isn't just rape but often involves torture and prolonged gang rape and bloody murder (not that it doesn't happen outside of war just that it's more large scale and systematic).
Though, during my law studies, it was interesting to learn about lots of man on man rape cases that went on during wars, sometimes even within allied groups. But that's something women can't do anything about if it's a taboo and men are unwilling to talk about it.
I mean, war is something that's been happening from the dawn of mankind, and when it does happen, having men willing to defend your country and die for it isn't a bad thing in which case their sacrifices are enormous. It boils down to men starting wars but I wonder if we had matriarchy if things would have been that different…
>I mean, war is something that's been happening from the dawn of mankind, and when it does happen, having men willing to defend your country and die for it isn't a bad thing
Ever think that war might only be happening because it's men in power throwing their dicks around?
Even when women have been forced to act in war it's usually with a huge force of the patriarchy behind them.
I honestly believe the world would be a more peaceful place had woman been the historically dominant sex.
But if you're trans but not the sex you were born as, then what are you transitioning to? rofl
You are born into the sex you are born into and nothing will change that, hon.
I am slightly GC-leaning who also frequent fakeboi thread. But that's more of a cow showcase than discussion. (And it keeps getting invaded by trucum, sadly)
Almost forgetting that eugenics used to be 'left wing' back then.
Samefagging, sorry anon, I realise you did wonder if. Still just pisses me off.
Women have historically no where near the backing of violence that men have.
From what we know alone, history would have been more peaceful with women in charge.
I agree. We need to have a mass genocide of men tbh, so women can be the greater sex by number/percentage.
Look at shitholes like India , China and South Korea where there are much more men than women. Now look at the numbers of violence against women by said men.
the same men who will fuck women, get them pregnant, but pray for a male son. they will abort female embryos and then complain there are not enough women. Men need to be wiped from this planet by a large number.
Honestly we just need to stop making men… stop raising boys… only have girls. 1 man can easily provide 1000s of offspring. And while biologically you wouldn't want to create a bottle neck, the population could easily get by with 1/8th of the men that exist today on the planet.
Pipe dream though… >>314917
Hardly if we have to deal with them claiming to be women in the meantime. Eroding our legal rights.
Not if i have to deal with those freaks invading women's spaces and trying to focus on their rights and not real women's rights, like pro choice and victim blaming.
Transwomen are worse than regular men somehow. All men are the same, really.
This. The mentallily of rape is purely a man thing and when i hear about the horror stories of gangrape, i cannot even imagine a group of women being okay with dominating and torturing a man the same way a man will do to a woman.
the fact that group/gangrape is so common in the military, esp back in the day is horrifying. It is purely a male invention. Look at the stories of Comfort Women that Japan wont even fucking acknowledge happened.
The more we call out this kind of behavior and correct it , the better it will be for women who have suffered.
I'm with the other anons that we need to stop having male children altogether.
I truly hate Game of thrones, because it's a very badly written story, but I'll never forget the episode that made me want to stop watching.
Basically, Daenerys and Drogo (sp?) went to a village and started burning it down and raiding it. Drogo gave his men permission to gather all the women and rape them before killing them and i remember Daenerys 'saved' a woman who said 'what was the point? i was raped three times before you got to me.'
and that hurt me.. like a lot. To think a lot of men thought nothing of that hurt me. They always just murder men right away, but rape women before murdering them and that kind of fear doesnt exist in men. At all.
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None. There are probably mtfs who will claim its true because theyre still pornsick men. Its always men trying to convince themselves and other women this is true. Violence is sexualized >>314815
George Orwell calls it.. will women be required to wear bags on our heads to stop triggering
transwomen of our existence
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I think it's just going to be sad, tbh. It's a small enough segment of the population to go….not unnoticed, but underdiscussed, but big enough that we're here, noticing it as a trend. I think there will be a weird generation in geek and fandom spaces of FtMs in a few decades who end up inbetween, and hopefully there are able to find some peace. I don't know what that'll look like–the detransitioned women who accept being butch lesbians are crazy admirable and doing the closest thing to that rn, but they're coming at it from such a different place. I don't know what "girl who likes makeup and dick but contorted herself into thinking she was anything but, lest she be a boring sad cis girl" will become. But society teaches women to be sad in silence, so….they're probably mostly go unnoticed. If there's any backlash coming, it'll be all about the poor sad MtFs who didn't know what they were doing, boo hoo hoo, because men's feelings are most important, always.
We do acknowledge biological differences, we're not blind to reality unlike trans activists.
Observing our difference in strength is the same as observing how different our organs are. However I'll always petition for women up to the task to be included in activities they can participate in (Like being able to be a firefighter if they do possess the physical strength)
I think for example Trans men shouldn't be able to participate in women events because the hormone gives them an edge. If anything there could be trans events or mixed events without letting them into women's sports.
Something I've noticed with some trans people are that FtM usually stop calling themselves trans after they transition. Hormones, top surgery, done. I am a man and will refer to myself as such.
But MtF almost always continue to call themselves trans after they start hormones and get top surgery, even bottom surgery. It's just bizarre that they don't stop.
In my mind, it was always that transition was the goal. Moving from one to the other was the desired stopping point, there was no more need to call yourself trans after you had done it. At least that's what people around me did. But men continually add "trans" to their title, as if transitioning wasn't the goal at all. It was just the act of being, like they're still just playing dress-up.
I've noticed tons of these people here will never fully transition or drop trans from the act. It's just adding more fuel to the fire that they don't even want to transition and just live best of three worlds, men, women, and special snowflake.
sports competitions and fights push the differences between peoples physical capabilities to the absolute limits. that's kind of the point. many professions and hobbies however, do not. it's important to notice the difference and not paint it all with the same brush. patriarchy and stereotyping dictates that because women are on average are weaker than men, they shouldn't even bother with jobs or activities that require significant physical strength, even if many individual women are indeed strong enough for the job, and even if they're not trying to directly compete against men pound for pound.
's example, it's not inappropriate for men and women to be firefighters together, as long as they can both physically lift a person and rescue them. the woman may or may not be weaker than her male coworkers but it doesn't matter as long as she's strong enough for what her job requires her to do.
competition between the sexes is entirely different because men's physical and chemical advantages would become immediately relevant.
it's like if you're 5'7", it would be stupid for you to be banned from playing basketball, but it would also be stupid for you to play against a team comprised entirely of people over 6'.
Saying "any woman can do literally anything that any man can do" and "no woman can do anything that men are good at" are both delusional.
that's a good point. they're the ones always claiming that they're real women and there's no difference between them and biological woman, so why don't they lead by example and just claim to be a regular woman? if they pass so well and they believe that there's no legitimate way to tell the difference between the sexes, that means no one will even think to correct them, right? i think subconsciously they realize that there are 2 possible outcomes if they do that
1) they pass, and now instead of being special and oppressed and unique, the world just sees them as an average, probably ugly woman. no one compliments their terrible makeup because the standards for women are higher. men and women treat them worse and make them feel small and stupid, and not in a fun kinky way. hell, they might even get a taste of their own medicine and get called a typical cis straight girl with cishet privilege lmao. and that's all in the highly unlikely scenario that everyone mistakes them for a real woman.
the other scenario is
2) they don't tell anyone they're trans but people can tell anyway, and make it obvious, completely shattering their hopeful delusion that the only difference between them and a "cis" woman is the identity marker.
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A TIM finally answers the question we’ve all been asking them! Wow, a woman just IS. All our problems are solved! /s
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And what does this womanly woman-y woman look like? Oh….
Women don't wake up every day and "feel" like a woman. We are
women, but we "feel" like a person. That men think that there's some special feeling that goes along with existing in this body is peak male.
This is what tr00ns will never get. You are BORN a woman. That's it. You don't wake up feeling like a woman or doing 'womanly' things. You just are.
I will never sympathize with TiMs and MTFs for this reason. You cannot change into a woman by putting on makeup and a dress. It's not how that works, and frankly, it's insulting as hell.
He hits all the trender talking points: a woman is whoever says they are, bothering gender and biological sex are social constructs, penises are female(and vulva can be male), xx and xy mean nothing and there is no such thing as sex characteristics…oh, and he’s a furry too.
I saw first his account when was fighting with older ”transmedicalist” transsexual MTFs who were being viciously attacked by the trans brigade over not siding with that Rachel Mckinnon ogre. Quite a lot of old school gender dysphoric transsexuals have come out to denounce trans women competing against women in sports, as well as speaking out against GRA reform.
Nothing like fat, bearded, anime-obsessed, 5 different mental illnesses plus unemployed men(gofundme in Twitter bio!) who make no effort to resemble a biological woman terrorizing sane transsexuals who have tried their best to come to terms with their condition and who don’t deny the biological, physiological and societal differences between males and females.
Since they experience/d gender dysphoria they probably aren't 'sane' by our normal understanding of the word but they can certainly be more sensible. From what I've read and experienced first-hand it seems like the 'trans' grouping is itself granular, the divide between those that experience dysphoria over their genitals and those that just 'feel' like the other gender should be the most obvious grouping (moreso than mtf vs ftm). I wouldn't be surprised if the original dysphoric group is now outnumbered by the latter group. I don't personally have issues allying with the first group if both parties advocate the same things. If this TRA/Radfem conflict continues the way it is in the UK I wouldn't be surprised to see splintering within the trans community once they start realizing how disparate their outlooks actually are.>>315144
libfem vs radfem thing
Did you just compare BIOLOGICAL and SOCIETAL differences, as if they are the same thing? Women “not being into engineering” has nothing to do with lady brain and you know it.
Fuck off, teenage robot.
it depends on how it's presented. if someone said something like "statistically women don't gravitate towards engineering as often as men" and had evidence, i certainly wouldn't REEEEE. if they said something like "women who do man things like engineering are brainwashed by feminism and can't actually be good at it because their true nature is to be a stay at home mom only" that would be fucking stupid and also completely fucking different from saying that mens physical and hormonal advantages means they shouldn't fight women in hand to hand combat lmao. again, there's a huge difference between women and men working together in the same field and competing directly against each other in a physical contest. in the former, biological differences don't always matter. in the latter, they matter a whole lot. >>315157
yup. if i'm not in a situation where my sex is relevant, i pretty much "forget" i'm a woman. i just feel completely neutral. the only reason i know i'm a woman is because of my body. if i was a brain in a vat i wouldn't automatically guess that my brain/mind belong to a woman. i guess people like you and i are just genderfuck or voidgender.
I've always agreed that there are essential differences. If I can generalize men based on evopsych or biology or whatever, logically the same should apply for us. It's just that no matter what generalizations I come up with, men still come off as worse because of how violent and lacking in empathy they are. And there are always significant socio cultural factors that influence whatever natural inclinations we might have, and men have much more power to influence things like that.
I could buy that women are less likely to be interested in engineering - maybe men prefer ambitious high earning careers because they want to be 'providers', maybe it's true that men have better spatial perception, I don't know since I haven't really researched it. It doesn't really offend me to imagine we each have different things we excel at in the grand, overaching scheme of things. But it's a trend, not a rule, and doesn't have any relevance to individuals. I 100% reject the idea that women should be discouraged from going into engineering, or that women are incapable or inherently inferior at it, just because they aren't the statistical majority. It's something that can easily change over time, like women getting degrees etc.
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There’s that magic word again: violence!
Transsexual respects women’s concerns= violence!
I’ve seen these unicorn gender fucks accuse transmeds of being transphobic misogynists(exact wording) and saying the transmeds are offering trans people up to executioners because being gender critical is GENOCIDE. Then, the all-loving, totally not crazy rainbow gender tries to dox the transsexual to get them fired and also find pictures of them so they can make fun of their looks.
Transmeds are also extremely retarded, so idk why you're complaining. """GC""" trannies aren't allies, they're what shows up in the dictionary when you look up "cognitive dissonance". Let them fuck eachother up.
>also find pictures of them so they can make fun of their looks.
I don't see what's wrong with this aside from the fact that the dude calling him out has no room to call anyone else ugly. People itt do it all the time.
That's basically the situation that would make anyone hit peak trans. >Women can have penises too! Representing women with vagina imagery is transphobic!
So what is a woman?>Whoever feels like a woman!
And what is a woman? They will try to deflect and not answer, because they know very well what the answer is in their mind. Long hair, skirts and makeup. It's so easy, and yet it just flies over the heads of thousands, the same people who defend transactivism so much.
now that is just paranoia.
troons coming into the bathroom and creeping around is reality, but there's no way they can hide cameras anywhere in the bathroom.
I mean the differences proposed by men are kind of bullshit you know? Not too long ago it was thought of as a fact that women's ladybrain would overheat if they were to go to university, now they make up the majority of graduates. Now men think women can't into STEM, nevermind that you get harassed out of it if you do go. We just need to give it time, changes like these don't happen overnight.
Meanwhile differences proposed by women are "women are human females that produce eggs and have a womb". Do you see the difference?
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i almost feel like this is about me even though i'm sure that's a common occurrence. i fell for the trans/nb meme years ago as a kid and everyone has known me as such for ages but ive finally come to terms with being a lesbian as of a couple months ago
i've talked about such feelings to people before and have tried to officially come out a couple times but pussied out bc i feel like people i like will stop being friends with me
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This got posted on a trans subreddit for pity points, not realising that it makes HIM look like the obnoxious one.
I also don't like how they think in extremes when it comes to gender roles.
It's not just girls like skirts but girls like to cook, clean, pink color, and their ultimate ambition is to have children and take care of their hubby <3
Likewise, with TiFs, men are strong, independent, hate girly things, aggressive, macho, and testerony.
They're trying to enact some Stepford wives dystopia. It's crazy and regressive.
I've noticed that some trannies try to make it seem like it's not that way at all and that it's just their way of expressing their repressed femininity or some other bs like that, but ultimately, it boils down to that.
It must be terrifying to base your whole existence pretending you're something you're never going to be instead of, you know, just accepting diversity, breaking gender stereotypes, and proving people wrong.
that's still part of the problem. i'd believe trannies more if even just one of them wanted to be a female without the need for femininity. not only does it ruin their idea that being a woman is a feeling, but it makes it obvious how much of a pull for attention it all is. it's all just to make them appear how they want to others
if it was just for them, they'd just get a sex change and move on with their lives.
it's just like any other plastic surgery, only it carries more weight.
That's the issue though, isn't it? You don't have to be feminine to be a woman. Women naturally have certain aspects that men don't have because biology, but not all women want to be have longer hair, wear makeup and dresses. etc etc.
There are tons of women out there who are a mix of both femme and masculine. Tr00ns rely too much on extreme gender roles. this is why i dont believe real trannies exist, just people who cant be themselves without squeezing into a gender box. It's annoying as hell.
It's absurd how many people think that putting on makeup from a Barbie play kit or a bow in their hair is what makes a woman. I'm not trying to be that person, but women go through so much shit, as do men but another point, and makeup and skirts are the least of what makes us a woman. We aren't a Mr./Mrs. Potato head, we don't snap pieces on and off to dictate what we are. Boiling women down to "hurdur makeup and heels and pretty things!" just underscores how fucking little they understand gender/sex.
Most of these people scream that dresses aren't just for girls, but the extent of their dressing up to be a ~transwoman~ is putting on a dress and lip gloss. Like yeah nice transparency there, fetishists.
It reminds me of reading something online ages ago were someone was transitioning into a woman and had so many complaints about how men and women were ~so mean uwu~ about how they looked. How they felt unwomanly and gross and it was society's fault that their makeup and hair weren't on par with cishet women's hair and makeup. Like yeah, fucker, welcome to the real world. You're held to a standard of presentability like everyone else.
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This image showed up on my Facebook feed kek
Good point, anon! In the end, biology always wins. You cannot replicate a real woman. You definitely cannot replicate a real vagina. Everything transwoman does is a cheap imitation.
Like you said, even if you put carrots in a can for peas, you will immediately know and taste the difference. No fancy label will ever change that.
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This guy actually advertised his anime screenshots with his GoFundMe KEK I can't believe people actually donated too
All it takes is one single article before voting season…
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Oh look it's the "PCOS means I'm not female" meme.
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The whole thread is just gold, here's a link to the OP tweet. https://twitter.com/JUNIUS_64/status/1054387087233953792
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Another pedophile "woman" caught.
At least the comments are sensible.
But imagine the audacity to not even attach the trans label to this rapist.
We're talking about a man that penetrated a child, I think 7yo.
Here's the tweet: https://twitter.com/HertsPolice/status/1054778490229284864
Also, they're still not sure whether "she" will go to male or female prison.
How many victims need to suffer until the authorities realize that this is madness?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that sound exactly like when mtf enjoy the peaks of being a men even after "transationing", such as being a violent asshole, but then cry when somebody makes fun of them wearing a dress. You can't get both sides. I bet that little boy often is awful to the other kids, if even his father say he's so stereotypically manly, but then they should accept him running around like a fag?
>>315793>But what I do know is Sam is a goddamn fireworks show of a human being and I won’t let that be dulled for a second by this restrictive bullshit that’s been choking boys forever
Oh yeah, gender roles were created by men to keep women in check, but it's the uwu boys who are hurt the most cause they get laughed at for being a nailpolish sperg. ok.
A sane parent wpuld not let their kid embarass himself like that without warning him that children might be assholes about it.
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I keep seeing enbies posting this on my feed. Sex =/= their "gender identity" crap. Humans are not those other animals. Feelings are not the same as physical traits and sexual defects. Gee, who would've thought nature isn't perfect? That nature, gasp, makes mistakes? None of that means your entirely feeling based "gender" is valid. Can we stop distorting and misinterpreting science to support an agenda?
i don't remember if i posted here before but i recently had a change of heart regarding these issues.
before, i wasn't a sjw per se, but i accepted everything without even thinking. i was like "sure who cares!" but it turns out, i do, i should care, and it's important.
i still respect trans people who make effort to integrate into society properly (having surgery, taking medication, respecting people, not yelling about everything, especially respecting women and our spaces) but i've recently become very tired with this constant, non-stop transgender propaganda everywhere. literally everywhere. i'm not from usa, but americans are having a lot of problems regarding planned parenthood, and these feelings of mine started when i saw trans-women (yelling entitled man in disguise) in the comments screaming about how trans women are not included in issues regarding birth control pills.
excuse me? like, what? this isn't your fight? even if it was, why are you yelling at women about it? we don't have to include you in our own business. i shouldn't have to think about your fake pussy every time i talk about my vagina, my period, my ovaries. it took literal years to reach a time where we can even talk about women's issues freely. and it's not even done. we're still fighting on basic issues.
and referring back to what i just wrote, i'm sorry but most trans-women just act like entitled man still. they keep inserting themselves into every single argument. i saw a "non binary pansexual" (basically a hairy ugly neet dude) insert himself into a women's call-out post for a creep near our school, saying that her narrative and her way of talking excluded non-binary people. fuck right off, dude. she had just gotten assaulted and was making sure everyone knew about this creep guy near our school by posting about it on our facebook group.
all in all, i'm sure some anons might say i'm even late to realise all of this, but i'm here. and i'm done. i don't want creepy non-passing dudes pulling out their "lady dicks" in women's restrooms. i don't want to include trans women in women's encouragement/women's career workshops. your fight is different. i'll support your right to exist and live your life as a legal citizen protected by the same rights, but i'm not gonna just welcome you by sacrificing my own fight. fuck off.
i used to watch the youtube step santaji, i was very interested in her journey, but she just turned out to be addicted to plastic surgery and transness is her only feature, she just talks about petty snowflakey trans issues and it's all just that. also, she kept getting surgery after surgery, for a while she was stunning, now she just really looks like a weho gay getting lip fillers every other day. i'm really close to unfollowing.
>>315834>screaming about how trans women are not included in issues regarding birth control pills
What? I can't understand this, why would a MtF take birth control pills? Wouldn't that be harmful and cause undesired effects because of the androgens? Why would anyone risk the health complications when they don't have the same problems as biological women??
I was the same like you, and I still believe adults can modify their bodies however they want and I won't shame them for it, but seeing what's been happening in sports and how some people abuse other people's tolerance made me aware of the issue.
What it boils down to is they have severe mental illness and society is catering to it at a disturbing level. Ffs there's transwomen who will put jelly on pads they wear every month and call it "their period". How more people aren't stopping to question why we're encouraging this shit is beyond me.>>315842
This was how I reached peak trans myself. There are some trans women who are genuine allies toward women and care about our issues, but the movement as a whole is just harmful at this point. There's those who want to simply exist safely, but then there's those who literally want to take over the female world or be catered to to a ridiculous degree.
Yeah but some forms of birth control (usually recommended for endo I think) contain androgens among other things:
>With increasing age, androgens stimulate hair growth on the face, but can suppress it at the temples and scalp vertex, a condition that has been referred to as the 'androgen paradox'
So basically they could not only get health complications women suffer but also boost their male traits. No clue about how other hormones common in birth control would affect them though.
in the cases where i've seen, they were mostly bothered about not being included in the narrative. it was like op saying "women need birth control pills!" and the trans fucks saying "well, when you say women, do you include trans women?" like i said, reeking of male entitlement.>>315842
my eyes started to open during women's march. i was bothered by the arguments you referred to but paid no mind to it, thinking that it was only a minority. lately i'm just done.>>315846
honestly, when looking at these things from this side, these all read like a fucked up fetish. "acting like" women. yuck.
yeah i used to use female pronouns for trans acquaintances because i thought, "i know he's not a woman but it's just a casual conversation and he seems to care a lot about this. what does it cost me to just use a preferred pronoun?"
well, as it turns out, it costs us a whole fucking a lot. it didn't stop at casual pronouns but went right on over to female reproductive rights, female safety, female sexual boundaries, etc. don't fuck with anyone who has a lot of requests but no will to compromise, no matter how seemingly small their requests are.
if most troons had said something like "hey i know i'm not actually female and won't insist that i am, but i have some personal issues with my sex and i really don't like being called 'he'" then i for one would have been fine with that. but that's not what happened. they got a taste of what it's like to have control over women and they wanted more and more, and they want more still.
Oh god, one of my friends drew a short magical girl comic and a transwoman friend of a friend told her she should make at least one of the four magical girls trans if she "wants to be a good ally". When my friend said she can't force herself to imagine any of them as trans and doesn't see it as exclusionary because trans women are far less than 1/4 of the female population, the tranny told their mutual that he couldn't be friends with her anymore because she keeps transphobic company. I'm really hoping this makes them both hit peaktrans.>>315852
That's so overwhelmingly insane. Do they want them to say "ciswoman" instead?
>>315866>well, as it turns out, it costs us a whole fucking a lot. it didn't stop at casual pronouns but went right on over to female reproductive rights, female safety, female sexual boundaries, etc.
That's how it goes, you give them a finger, they'll soon demand the whole arm. It starts with just "It doesn't cost you anything to use correct pronouns!" and soon it's "Couldn't we just call cis women 'womb carriers'" and coercing lesbians into liking "girldick". >>315873
And here we see an example. They start making ridiculous demands wanting to make literally EVERYTHING women have about their male ass.
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yup. some men out there have a need to control women that's so deep and neurotic that nothing
will ever satisfy it. in cultures where women submit to all patriarchal commands, do the women get treated like perfect princesses or noble upstanding citizens as a reward? hardly! they just get more commands and punishments for more and more trivial things. it reminds me of mommy and daddy from The People Under the Stairs abusing the shit out of Alice even when she was absolutely subservient and quiet. the goalposts get moved again and again. there's no moment after your subservience where these men say "you're finally a good woman. you've done everything i asked. thank you! that's all i wanted." you might as well refuse the very first request because there is no last request.
This. When I was 11 I had a phase where I would only wear boy clothes and tried acting like a boy. To add onto it I was uncomfortable with my body since I had gotten my period a few months before my 11th birthday and I had boobs. I grew out of it real fast once I accepted things. Sometimes I still wear men's clothes, but I am a damn woman.
This is why I am so against children being thrown on blockers and hormones. For most it is a phase that comes from puberty, society's treatment of women, and a variety of other factors.
>>315866>they got a taste of what it's like to have control over women and they wanted more and more, and they want more still.
this is so fucking true. and the more i think about it, it makes me angry. there's so much fucking history behind women just working and trying and giving everything they have just so that the next generations of women could have a better life and now we have women coddling these horrible men still. this is incredibly sad and angering.
sometimes i'm wishful and think that this trans explosion is just a phase and will pass. i cannot imagine a future with these monsters.
It's not a symptom of mental illness, it's being a man with the biology and socialization of a man.
You realize mental illness needs to be diagnosed, right? You cant just slap the label on anyone thinking or doing things you dont like.
They are mentally ill though? I mean, no one in a right state of mind would honestly think they are born in the 'wrong' body. It's a combination of mental illness and not knowing how to deal with gender norms in society. Instead of breaking boundaries, they are converting to a lot of stereotypes.
Imagine of people like Prince and Bowie did that. They would be worthless. They did a lot as male singers and helped open a lot of doors. Instead of doing similar things, trannies want to push back women's rights by decades.
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>>315866>"hey i know i'm not actually female and won't insist that i am, but i have some personal issues with my sex and i really don't like being called 'he'"
If you think about it, being trans is really just a joke. It's "politically correct" to call what's very clearly a man with long hair/a wig on, a skimpy dress, high heels and badly applied makeup a "she"… but everyone knows that he isn't a "she". Even kids can see that. Even SJWs and handmaidens… and they're the most dishonest of them all. I remember a video that was posted here where a bunch of people met some blokes and girls and they had to guess which ones of them have had plastic surgery. There was a tranny, and when the handmaiden on the other side met him you could see it in her eyes that she instantly recognized that person as trans, and she started gushing over him and saying "Oooh this girl is so beautiful" etc, and she was lying through her teeth the whole time.
It's like in the tale "The emperor's new clothes". Everybody can see that the king is naked, but they have to lie to not offend his ego and avoid bad consequences.
Tbh I would hate it to have people constantly lying in my face like that.
No one thinks that transwomen are the same as actual women, not even handmaidens. They might say they believe it, but in the back of their mind you know they don't. It's a collective lie.
I was referring to when anon said>Plus everything you're saying constitutes being severely mentally ill anyways.
The things I was saying were just misogyny and entitlement, standard male traits.>>315905
I just dont buy it for the majority of troons. Some minority of legit dysphoric people exist and yeah that's a mental illness. But a sudden influx of transbians and enbies and whatever is a bandwagon trend and lacks legitimacy. It's having way too much faith in them to assume they a) genuinely think they're women (as opposed to just exercising their power as men to demand we acknowledge them as such) and b) genuinely struggle with gender norms (rather than just liking the idea of being stereotypical hot girly girl while enforcing gender roles in the process). They are men who get off on being a woman or see being a woman as life on easy mode, which is crazy in the colloquial sense but not literally mental illness. Dysphoria isnt even considered a necessity to be trans by trans people.
you should watch it again for halloween anon! watching it as an adult it's not that scary, but it feels like a mashup of different archetypal fears and impulses that people have. like everything is exaggerated and surreal but in a very familiar way. >>315818
even aside from the obvious exploitation of intersex people, the question is "Ok? do you have any of those traits or conditions? if not, why do you believe you aren't the sex you were 'assigned'"? i also like how they snuck in "you could have a male brain and heart!" next to actual medical conditions. or what, did she get a brain and heart transplant from a man?>>315917
they want it all ways. gender doesn't hinge on biology but also biology agrees with us too and there's no difference between us and real women but we're also nothing like you nasty cishets because we're special!>>315974
i think you cleared up what you were saying. many troons are not mentally ill in any way, and are just opportunists, but some mentally ill men wind up being troons.
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A handmaiden I follow posted this to Instagram and it rubbed me the wrong way because a butterfly is genetically a butterfly. A “trans butterfly” would be a caterpillar with paper wings taped to it whilst proclaiming to be a butterfly. Sage for dumb shit. I’m just tired of all the trans hashtags all over social media right now and this was the straw that broke the camels back for me.
>>315930>There was a tranny, and when the handmaiden on the other side met him you could see it in her eyes that she instantly recognized that person as trans, and she started gushing over him and saying "Oooh this girl is so beautiful" etc, and she was lying through her teeth the whole time.
I don't know how people can see that and not realize it's fucking patronizing and ridiculous. It reminds me of people gushing over that progeria kid. It's like the uglier you are the more people are compelled to gush over you because they have to prove themselves that they weren't thinking how butt-ugly and repulsive you look.
It's real life virtue signaling you're not those people who think "Uh that's a man".
Just like "protect trans women at all cost they're precious magical girls uwu", who the fuck would say that about a grown adult woman ? If they truly want to be women then why do they encourage this kind of infantilizing behaviour ?
I'd honestly find it really insulting to be clapped at and awwwwed at whenever I did the bare minimum. Whenever I looked like a bag of trash, nobody ever came to me and went "YOU LOOK AMAZING GIRL DON'T LET ANYBODY TELL YOU OTHERWISE" hell nah I got mocked for it.
I think what a lot of us despise about the trans movement is how men wants to suddenly become women but can't stand the heat, that we had to face since our early childhood. I'm a latina girl, and as such I had fucking hairy armpits and hairs since I was a kid. I got mocked for it, called a tarantula and boys would flip my dress and point and laugh at my legs. But now it's a dude who has to go through that and it's the end of the world ??
I'm also fucking sick of men comparing their trans body to mine. Yeah I'm hairy. I also have to wax my chin and lips regularly cause it's ugly. No it won't ever ever make me the same as a dude with dick and balls. Rather in spite of that, I'm still a woman and proud of it.>>316009
I've seen this before and I was also confused. A caterpillar is a baby butterfly. It would make more sense if the butterfly was a moth saying it's a butterfly and the snail kept calling it 'moth'
I get they were using it as an example because caterpillars change form into a butterfly, but ultimately a caterpillar is just a younger butterfly.
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I've been close friends with a guy that started transitioning recently. The thing is now his sex drive is off the roof. He insists to show me his "Trans Lesbian Cum Puddle" Discord server where other TIMs just drool all over each other, it's disgusting.
He keeps offering to help me with any sexual favors I need. Yeah, no thanks.
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My state is a joke please just burn it down
I'm so sick of these ugly ass men in dresses.>>316035
Maybe stop being 'close friends' with a sexual predator and deviant. come on anon, love yourself
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What the 'reality' image is implied to be showing, based on the title of the other panel, is 'the reality of transphobia'.
The left image treats transphobia as a legit thing, thereby making the image a comparison of how the mentally ill see transphobia vs the reality of transphobia. The image implies that the snail on the right, who is stating facts, is exhibiting transphobia.
Look at the shitty drawing I made in MSpaint. Because of the caption on the left image, it is implied that the right image is a depiction of the reality of Hillary Clinton's Satanic Rituals, not the reality of what Hillary Clinton is like.
The snail in the left image is clearly wrong. The left image therefore also implies that the 'mentally ill' are rather rational in the sense that they realize that insisting something is what it was before, even though it isn't that thing anymore, is irrational. And even though their analogy doesn't work because a man can't become a woman, but a caterpillar can become a butterfly.
You ought to re-title the work 'what the mentally ill think radfems believe' and 'what radfems actually believe' or something.
Love yourself anon and get rid of him on all social media, along with others like him. It's hard, yes, but don't give into him trying to shoving his life down your throat. You'll feel less stressed once you leave. He's probably got other gross things he's hiding too.
But that's your choice, by all means, give us some milk if you decide to keep being close lol
I think it's because it can be used as HRT?
Correct me if I'm wrong but I knew a TiM who took bc as HRT.
The thing we all have in common is that we all get our period - some girls at the age of not even 10. I know that some are fine, but others (including myself) are in a lot of pain every single month. I feel like it robbed me of my childhood. That + growing tits and feeling goddamn uncomfortable in your own body.
The only thing boys need to do, is to start shaving and that usually happens at a lot older age.
I'm really tall and was always bullied because of it. I never truly got to feel 'girly' just because of some shitty guys at school.
Yet nowadays you have guys of easily over 6 ft wearing heels and pink baby doll dresses and demand us not only to accept that, but to compliment them on top of it. It's just not fair.
As everyone else said, nobody here would REE at that, no. I'd even concede that with socialization out of the picture women might perhaps still flock to what we already flock to due to sheer preference resulting from biological factors. The real issue is that while physical differences in a sexually dimorphic species are undeniable, visible to the naked eye and a direct result of nothing but biology itself, psychological and cognitive differences are more subtle, complex, and difficult to assess.
And let's be real, we live in a civilized society based entirely around peace and mutual collaboration. Evo-psycally speaking, women are much more fit for the kind of complex, highly organized we have. Society is
becoming more feminine, but that's because typical female behavior is… exactly the kind of behavior that functioning in such a society requires. The kind of peace and general well-being modernity attempted to bring about and for which we still aim is the kind of system that benefits women and weak men. The only thing males could
still have going for them is the number one virtue in this era of information - cognitive ability. And thorough IQ testing seem to indicate that there's no significant difference.
TL;DR incels, MGTOWs and other weak male collectives should join forces with us to bring Chad down so we can finally have our boring Last (Wo)Men utopia
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This makes me so mad. Why do men always have to talk about their dick, even when they're larping as lesbian women?
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Nah, white men are the worst offenders when it comes to trans shit. Have you ever seen a black male who calls himself trans lesbian? It's always middle-class white dudes, while Latino and black TiMs are mostly homosexual and don't care about erasing women's rights.
Also, I think it's important to point out that the trans right movement is mostly led by literal heterosexual white men that have tricked people into thinking they're an oppressed minority, imho.
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Yours is funnier but here's another gud'un
Nta, but that's just pathetic. You can't accuse anybody those point you don't like of being pol.
The majority of americans are white, therefore you'll come across white trannies more often. But this doesn't mean black or asian trannies don't exist or are "better" in any sense.
Like I stated before, it's american
men that are the main offenders in this case, trannies barely even exist in all the other white countries in the world.
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I mean, 18% of Americans are Latino and 13% are black. But probably more than 90% of trans lesbians I've seen are white, meanwhile most black TiMs I encounter (even on reddit) are homosexual.
Tried to search for some statistics on the relation between ethnicity and transgenderism, but just found this disturbing image. But tbh, I don't really get why someone would be bothered by a post calling out white men specifically unless they're male themselves.
Yes. That is you tenda. Trying to relate everything back to white men. Funny how these posts started peaking when you started posting on Reddit again.
How many times have you threatened to kill yourself now? Lol.
Christ, he's so ugly.
Wtf is wrong with his face?
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Sorry I missed out a word, should have said >Twans advocate speaks gibberish
And true like this really doesnt make sense. I suspect its all made up.
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Ah, yeah, drunk men… notoriously radical feminists…
Also she says in the replies it happened in a very busy city.
You can definitely just go around in the middle if a city, force a woman at knifepoint to get her vagina out, and then go on your way. That happens often.
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Even when I just want to take a break from trannies and learn something new, I still bump into them.
Of course, women (terfs) are the problem, not violent drunk men
Is this person actually a fucking idiot ? This is legit another way to victim blame
because they're not trans, they're mentally ill. Women dont have dicks. Women can have body image issues, but it's always very different than what a tranny has issues with.
they're always men trying to power trip. it's disgusting.
Idk I think that mother is actually horrible and part of the problem.
You have no way of knowing that man in a dress is a troon. It could have simply been a man who likes dresses. There's nothing wrong at all with a man liking traditionally feminine things and wearing feminine clothing. Gender roles and stereotypes are the backbone of the transmovement and we need to be pushing more for the idea that it's totally acceptable for men to like feminine things without it making them any less male. Loudly proclaiming any guy in a dress is mentally ill and you hope your son doesn't grow up to do that is actually pretty disgusting and plays right into the transmovement's hands. This is the exact kind of shit they WANT to happen. Not to mention it fuels male misogyny because now this poor kid is going to feel like he can't enjoy, relate, or empathize with anything feminine in fear of it meaning he's mentally ill.
The right thing would have been to say "It's a man. Men can wear dresses too. Some think it makes them women, but doesn't. If you ever decide you like girly things, just remember it doesn't actually make you a girl."
Disregarding the fact this is clearly made up, it's amazing how men will blame women for literally anything.
>drunk man harasses your friend>"those fucking feminists"
Also, why did it immediately go from "are you a man or a woman?" to flashing his "vagina"???
I really fucking hope he was arrested. You can see his dick through his skanky panties ffs.
Also, kinda new to these threads so pardon my ignorance, but what does TiM mean?
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Just came across this on my fb feed. Actually no, us women fighting for our reproductive health don't owe these men a goddamn thing.
Also got love the phrasing of "you better do x" Do it or what? You'll threaten us with violence and then claim victimhood?
Of course I’m outraged>Troons
Not the same and stop grouping them together. They always lump this shit because they know Troons can stand on their own without currying to blacks even though black are conservative up the wazoo
this is true, my ex was supportive of the trans movements (let them use the bathroom babe whats wrong with that, theyre not mentally ill they just wanna be in the right body blah blah garbage)
caught him looking at craigslist/backpage/meetup/grindr/etc looking for mtfs to bottom for behind my back
dont trust men but especially dont trust men who support the trans movement because theyre just as pornsick as mtfs
Anon, its because women are expected to mother the entire world, even in our own movement. And TIMs are the biggest babies of all, so of course they scream and cry for attention. >>316313
kek. Female biology is only oppressive when it comes from ciswomen. When Awesome Trans Gals have their "period" then its empowering.
>>316302>I'm a very, VERY kind and patient woman but she should be careful because if I was the ghetto and mean TS most of LS likes to portray us all as, she probably would have been slapped. it's not cool. at. all.
no excuses.> It's sad that some cis women are really threatened…ugh.> Probably because I'm drop dead beautiful.> As a woman, you should have more tact and class but you don't….but what you lack I have in abundance. You'll never catch me behaving toward someone as some of you do toward trans people.
This dude reports a coworker just because she told another man that he's a tranny. Not only did he insinuate that he would hit her, but he keeps shitting on biological women. He also reports anyone that he disagrees with, lol
It's hard to tell anymore whether it's real or just a troll having fun.
What is happening to the uk.>>316302
Im reading through it all and this one stuck to me>only demons get violent when the truth is told about them
Hes upset that not everyone is kissing his ass, encouraging him to punch those evil gossiping cis women and being told tbe truth - that women can tell if someone is trans by looks or voice or how they move.
Does anyone here have coworkers who are trans?
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I'm so livid.
Someone wake me up from this nightmare.
If anyone told me a decade ago that we would be referred to as menstruators, I would have laughed.https://twitter.com/guardian_b2b/status/1055353012426686464
It's sad how this post is a sarcastic joke but it's actually a fact. These people don't give one or two shits about women. They derail every discussion about women's rights to themselves because they see their issues having more weight and importance. You literally never, EVER see TiMs campaigning for women's rights, hell, you never see them even talking about TiF rights. It's all about THEM and their male entitlement. >>316337
Even the original study uses the term "women", not "mestruators". Jesus fucking christ the UK media is far beyond salvation.
Most of thr replies are calling them out. Few are liberal handmaids saying shit like "well some women dont menstrate! Menstrators isnt a bad word~" they are desperately trying to erase the word woman/women arent they?
>@RedQueenRising>"Menstruators", "Bleeders" (lovely), "Uterus havers", "Pregnant people", "Womxn". The bizarre gender terminology make modern Liberals/Progressives sound like '70s serial killers: "Woke Tendy Bundy"
yeah, I loled at that one.
But if you twitter search menstruators, the comments are terrible. So many, "But your gran doesn't menstruate, so not all women menstruate".
Also, "NB and some men menstruate".
Fortunately, you can see that such comments don't get many likes but they're numerous and if we allow this, it can become the new "normal".
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But I am having a blast with the #GuardianSongs on Twitter.> The Menstruator in Red> Fertilizer, I Feel Like a Gestator> She's just a devil menstruator, with evil on her mind> You Make Me Feel Like a Natural Menstruator> More Than a Menstruator
Went to the menstruator tag on Twitter and found this handmaiden. The delusion…https://twitter.com/AmandaApparel/status/1055455862637113345>CW: transphobia/transmisia>Menstruator (a person who menstruates) is an effective, gender neutral term that is INCLUSIVE. >Implying that ONLY (cis) women menstruate erases people who are non-binary, gender non-conforming, trans, etc. >It costs £0 use inclusive language.>In a social and political climate that is currently OBSESSED with enforcing a gender binary, it's imperative that we include marginalised people in our language.>We (cis-women) have GOT to do better. >Fight for your sisters, non just your cis-ters, ya know? [fist emoji]
It's imperative (!) and we GOT to do better! Always a "cis women HAVE to", god forbid some of us don't bend over backwards to men in wigs and play along with their delusions
lol yeah i've had like 5. i'm in a global troon hotspot. is there anything you want to know?
slightly related but my new boss asked me if she/her pronouns are ok for me and i was like lol yeah, she goes "me too. it's just because i'm proud to be a woman yaknow?" took so much to not reply "i just use them because i AM a woman, no matter what way i feel about it" >>316343
the thing that gets me is that LOTS OF BIOLOGICAL WOMEN DON'T MENSTRUATE EITHER, yet somehow they bravely survive the horrible erasure they face when someone makes a statement about the majority of women who do. >>316344
that's the thing. your gran doesn't balk at a playtex ad all "why are they talking to me like i still have a period? ignorant motherfuckers!!!" If using the term women when discussing periods hinged on all women having them, we wouldn't be using it regardless of troons. their stupid argument applies to our side more than theirs.>>316354
it must be so exhausting for people to fight for ideals that have nothing to do with their true opinions or facts,but simply the social fear of being perceived as a horrible person with a bad opinion. i wouldn't be able to sleep at night.
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SOme of the tweets-so fucking tired of men telling women what they should/shouldnt find offensive or put fucking agp assholes in the same brackets as women who have reproducive issues
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WELL WELL WELL how unsur-fucking-prising men still get to be called men according to the guardian.
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Is anyone watching naked attraction right now? There's a non-binary pansexual on and some trans men. One of them doesn't have nipples.https://twitter.com/C4Naked/status/1055573465934258177
holy shit. they couldn't even pretend it's not one sided. and fewer men have actual prostate cancer than women have periods.
i mean, some women have prostates! get over it! i WILL show up to the prostate exam i'm entitled to on the government's dime and idgaf how many cismen get uncomfortable! they can't have a space away from me!!!
the main girl's intro clip is so miserable. why couldn't she just have a tomboy phase while at uni and then go back to dressing in a more feminine way, nooooo, instead she has to change her whole gender identity, ffs
like i understand not feeling comfortable with being regarded to as a woman and rather wishing you could exist outside of societal pressures and judgement specific to being a woman, but like how is claiming you're actually not a woman despite obviously presenting as one helping with any of that?
honestly shit like this just really cements gender stereotypes, it's literally the opposite of useful or raising awareness to a good cause
Exactly. Instead of trying to break the society pressure that all women face, regardless of how you look, they want to throw being a woman away and live as a 'man.'
what they fail to realize is that being a transman, real men wont accept you either. So nothing will really change. We have to change how women are viewed in society from the inside, not trying to pretend the problems dont exist
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New theory; current queer culture is because too many people were called a fag by 11 year old trolls and started to just believe it
Alt-right has always been pro-trans. Whatever supports misogynia is their thing.>>316367
Yep. This is the best example there is. Amidst all this trans fuckery it's WOMEN who are required to give up their spaces, it's WOMEN who are destined to be called "menstruators" and "womb carriers". And nobody sees a problem with this because who ever gives a shit about women. It's depressing. >>316379
Jesus christ those mastectomy results. That's a refund chest right there.
it could be argued that THE essential tenet that makes the alt-right alt to the usual right is biological determinism. Race and the jewish question are the two things but most see the jew issue as downstream of biology also. A "catholic" is a jew if they have Jewish ancestry, a man is a man and a woman is a woman. Women are biologically different to men and suited to different things. >boipucci meme and glorify gay TiMs for being "better than real women". Look at fucking Blaire White. Most alt-right guys are tranny chasers.
this isn't alt-right this is a grouping of alt-light, anti-sjw and /b/ degenerates all of whom an alt right person would like to see in a camp with a pink triangle patch
I love how their basic arguments are always >“it costs $0 to use correct pronouns”>“Don’t call somebody by a word they don’t like, it’s that easy”>“I don’t care if you consider dude a gender neutral term, don’t call trans women dude if they ask you not to”>”if somebody asks you to call them man/woman/they/it/whatever just do it, don’t be an asshole”
But when women ask to be called woman because they find menstruators offensive they freak out and refuse.
It's hilarious seeing alt-right spergs come to Lolcow and try to cozy people up to their hypocritical, retarded, confused "movement".
Most of you people talk about ~*degeneracy*~ being bad, but proudly revel in "trap" porn and all the other shit you claim to be against.
I really hate> “It doesn’t cost you anything to just be considerate!”
because the majority of the time they’re actually demanding that everyone bend over backwards for them, completely change our language, deal with feeling unsafe in our own spaces, put in extra work or travel time, etc. I’ve also seen it a lot in oversensitive tumblr munchie types (“I don’t like how tomatoes taste so I’m going to tell the staff I’m allergic so they have to come up with a special menu and prepare my meals in a separate area with separate implements because it’s just easier for me this way UwU telling the truth makes me anxious UwU it’s their job to be considerate
of me UwU”) but with TIMs it’s risen to a whole new level. They expect everyone (well, women) to play along with their delusions in the guise of common decency while completely disregarding the feelings and wellbeing of the women they’re bullying. “Misgendering” is literal violence and a hate crime because it makes them uncomfortable, but if seeing a dick swinging around the women’s locker rooms of a gym makes women uncomfortable then fuck them and their feelings. Their personal boundaries are sacred while ours must be flexible and subject to change whenever they want us to.
From what I understand, the important difference between gender critical feminists and anti-trans alt-right Jordan Peterson types on the trans issue is that cg feminists want to do away with the concept of gender altogether and just have biological sex, regardless of orientation, interests, fashion choices etc. A man can wear makeup and cry during movies all he wants but nothing changes the fact that he’s a man. The difference between male and female behavior comes from socialization, not whether someone is intrinsically masculine-brained or feminine-brained.
Much of the rest of the world however believes strongly in gender roles. Whether they’re pro-trans or anti-trans depends on whether they believe that gender and sex are linked or not. If you believe they’re linked, like Peterson, then trans people go against nature and are “degenerates”. If you don’t believe they’re linked then that supports the trans narrative that someone can have a gender that doesn’t correspond with their body. Gender critical feminists reject both of these stances because they reject gender altogether.
>>316500>Outside of 4chan
The entire thing started on 4chan, there's no divorcing from them. They also still support trannies who regurgitate their talking points, like Blaire White, en masse.
There is no message or goal to the "alt-right". It's an echo chamber for disgruntled, entitled white men and the teenagers (and handmaidens) they manage to brainwash. They have done nothing for anybody except kill, ruin their own (and others') lives, bring shame to their families, spread hatred, disseminate insane propaganda and refuse to self-improve because actually living life is a Jewish psyop or something.>>316502
Yeah, you're right, anon. These people have proven that they're what I described at best, and a group of unhinged, brainwashed domestic terrorists who advocate killing for a flimsy internet ideology at worst.
This genuinely made me sick to my stomach and I had to look away. NOBODY can say that it's self defense to curb stomp someone, bullied or not. "People like this should die" =/= death threat and 100% does not give the right to almost murder someone.
This is a man. This was attempted murder. This was vicious.
They're starting to sniff at bisexuals now, because bisexuals like both sexes so it's not as validating for them as forcing a lesbian/gay man to be their validation station.
The funny part is if a bisexual says "That's cool, I don't find trans people attractive anyway" they still throw a tantrum.
i can't date trans people cause they're either fucking multilated or insane.
i'd never want to date someone who believes you can fix or even help dysphoria with plastic surgery. your brain simply cannot process those cosmetic changes hormones or no hormones.
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Well I like Shaun quite a bit less now
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the "bigot" he's referring to is Magdalen
>>316735>mam abusing selfid to get access into womens spaces
I mean. Already, there was an incident where man have hurt and raped women, only to call themselves women and recieve hormones and fight to be transfered into a womens prison.>>316488
I think those anons confuses being alt right with being conservative. Ive always thought thaf the altright was just a joke of the right (being rather liberal while pissing on liberals) versus conservatives who are anti trans and not liberal at all.
In the states, Ive also noticed how many impeach trump commercials are there lately. Do people not know if trump actually goes, Pence takes over. And hes definitely not going to listen to "We #WontBeErased" chants. He probably drafted that anti trans memo with Sessions.
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>quoting chuck tingle
I really hope this is a parody.
>>316778>Sex is a spectrum
It's legit science and it's not. These idiots will seriously try to defy biology and logic for their agenda.
>I mean. Already, there was an incident where man have hurt and raped women, only to call themselves women and receive hormones and fight to be transferred into a women's prison.
These men need to die
(Hopefully this is okay to post) I crossplay and cosplay male characters a lot. It is much easier to do shading/contouring as a woman and even fake facial hair. I see theater tropes do it all the time as well. It's easier to make a woman look like a man, but like you said, near impossible to make a man look like a woman.
Apart from our smaller bone structure in general, women are typically softer looking with smaller hands and larger eyes.
Men always look like gorillas to me, which is why it's easy for women to cosplay the bishonen type guys from anime and videogames.
TRAs with titles on twitter sound less credible to me. Considering how most universities pander to them. Not to mention, this whole sex on a spectrum is said to include multiple species as examples. We read them all the time>sex is on a spectrum! Look at this animal! Or that animal!
Not humans. And we are only talking about humans. Nobody gives a fuck if a frog changed from male to female. We care when men do trying to convince us that they belong in our spaces.
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I'm not sure how much we've had on this topic but is women pretending to be intersex an actual thing?
This girl has a TIM partner and claims to herself be intersex.https://twitter.com/DoryKitty1997https://twitter.com/DoryKitty1997/status/1052995341006594048
The thing is she doesn't seem to know anything about geneticshttps://twitter.com/DoryKitty1997/status/1052799083658788864
And makes weird claimshttps://twitter.com/DoryKitty1997/status/1055563371049877506https://twitter.com/DoryKitty1997/status/1055053874040586240
IDK what do you think? Does this make any kind of sense?
Also this a second example, even weirderhttps://kiwifarms.net/threads/nostalgia-chick-lindsay-ellis-thedudette.23666/page-162#post-3902029
Claimed to be AMAB intersex with a 'contralto'
voice, but identifies as a cis lesbian who constantly posts 'lesbian strong' memes
That reminds me of this video, it seems real convenient that an intersex woman was on-hand.
I don’t believe her claims for a moment. This whole movement is people trying to be different and unique.
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This person is whack as shit. What baffles me the most is that they're not only completely blind to their hypocricy, they also openly embrace it.
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>>317359>Trans women who are identical to born women
So… none of them?
i mean, it just shows how serious they take their life in general. it's all entertainment to them and they want everything to cater to their delusions.
meanwhile every person out there who has a sense of reality and professionalism knows how silly this looks.
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The time where a trans activist said they prioritize insects over women
Troons want to replace women, not become them. They hate us so much because of their natural maleness, yet the womb/vagina envy twists their minds into making them think they can not only be
women, but as
women, shit on biological (read: real) women in the same ways men shit on/threaten real women and it's not only okay, but that they're being brave just by existing. Troons are failed men who couldn't man properly so they think they can put on a dress and eyeshadow and literally redefine women/womanhood, while at the same times silencing, excluding and erasing actual women. It's like some fucked up conspiracy theory.
Exactly. They hate us because they think they're superior (probably literally only because of their size&aggression) but at the same time they know no man can ever do anything as amazing as creating life. It must be like a fucked up cycle they're always spinnimg around, I hate them, but I want to BE them, but they're stupid and emotional and weak BUT I wish I could carry a baby so bad uwu
Men think size and aggression are indicators of superiority, but in reality they're not at all. Aghression is only ever destructive to social groups and the only way aghression benefits men is to either out-angry other men (for dominance) or to intimidate women. Without their size and rage they're literally glorified apes who can't figure out their own feelings or logic without help, so they hang onto those two traits as if they mean something and let them definre their manliness. Absolute retard logic. Men only "want" us if they can own us and be perceived as above/superior to us in at least some small way. Every man has some form of inferiority complex to women so they invented the patriarchy and erased women from history, stole our ideas and pushed us into what they lime to call call "our place" in society because they know they could never feel satified on equal ground as us, all because we
carry and have babies and nothing else compares to that.
All the hate women get from men, the patriarchy, all the bullshit they do to make us think we're weak and feel weak and stupid and uncomfortable is all because they feel inferior to us
and it eats them alive subconscioisly from the time they first realize it.
is big and oafish though. because of his manly proportions.
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From what I've seen of Laci, she's been pretty understanding and open to discussion with GC feminists throughout the gender debate. I haven't seen it, but I just found out that she had a stream with Meghan Murphy a few months ago that might be worth watching. Ironic that Shuwu tends to kiss her ass.
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Get a load of this male socialization
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Taylor Swift is 5'9" and she sure as heck doesn't have manly proportions next to Ellen here or a massive head. She looks like a woman
Trannies showing their male violent side as usual. It's amazing how they never address the fact that tranners get killed by men but they focus all their violence on women just because they use words to express concern over their own rights.
That's a massive dude but I'm quite tall (5'9") and broad shouldered myself and before this trans pandemic I didn't care. I have short friends that often "complain" how smol they are, and I was never bothered by that. In fact, I do think they're smol and qt. Now, I became self-conscious about my height and bone structure. I'm working on losing more weight to the point of starving myself, and I desperately want to have a dainty figure. I know that despite my bone structure, it's clear that I'm a biological female, regardless, I just hate the fact that someone might consider my body non-passing or mannish and even consider a tranny to be more feminine than me. I never wore skirts or dresses but now I'm browsing through stores for some. I know it's downright stupid, it's more of a vent, I guess.
I had a TIM say this shit to me before. He literally said "you don't know what it's like to have to fear for your life walking down the street at night". Keep in mind he's well aware I'm a sexual assault survivor.
Also, around here it's even more offensive to hear this shit because trannies are so coddled. The worst stories my trans friends have are always shit like "the girl on the drive through intercom misgendered me!" and they act so fucking victimized by it. I honestly want to just scream at them to read the story of Brendon Teena then try to tell me their lives are so hard.
So when an aggressive hulk like that kills a woman, how wonderful to know they'll call him Cathy and not name it for what it is, male on female violence.
Love that he's encouraging weak minded women to attack other women women too. Nothing worse than not doing what a man tells you to do.
>>317705> he and someone else say that no women gets killed for just being women
Do they even know about femicide stats across the world?
Female newborns being killed in India and China just for being female, not to mention in central and south american countries where women are being killed randomly just for being a woman and outside. Like, no other reason than that? Plus, it's something that's happening on large scale, enough to classify it as femicide as opposed to lower rates but still notable in other countries.
Their ignorance truly sickens me. I can't feel any compassion towards trannies and their supporters.
It's not ignorance, it's denial and appropriation. They want to bump women down to second class, while the troons get to be spoiled and pampered by men the way they think women are now
, play dress up and then cry about not getting their way. They have no fear of being raped because thave penises and man strength/size. They can take E until they grow tits but they will neger be real womwn and will never truly experience womanhood. They want to steal our identities, wear it like a cheap dress and then wallow in all the coddling they get for being male while they cry about how no human ever has faced as much pain and fear as a troon being misgendered, or a troon not being 5"0 and Asian, or a troon not being catcalled by rich guys in supercars.
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I love this
Oh yeah it does. Men commodify and consume every part of women they possibly can, yet women have no desire to do the same. Girls as young as 13 get told to cover thwir shoulders, legs and backs at school because the male teacher and students can't focus on anything else, yet men and boys sag their pants to show off their sweaty asscrack or walk around shirtless and nobody cares. You can buy shirtless magazines at any 7-11 yet it's illegal for women to go out with exposed nipples, because women owning their bodies&sexuality without giving a man pleasure or money is a slight against them and a show of power that offends thwm to their core.
Every problem in modern society is based around men and their inability- or maybe it's an unwillingness to drop their fucking egos, stop chasing orgasm after orgasm and stop treating everything like a "me vs. him/her/them".
They get more angry at women because a) they envy us for being female and b) they see us as the gatekeepers to their "womanhood". Us telling then they're not one of us reaffirms what they know deep in their hearts.>>317724
I thought she was 5'11. Which just proves the point even more so.
They’ve already physically attacked a UK newspaper office for running ads for both sides of the GRA debate and the fucked up thing is that I can hardly find anything about it. They literally attacked a newspaper
and I can’t find any news reports about it. Google is only giving me results for TiMs being victims. It’s fucking creepy.
>>317831>>317841>want to make women disappear for a world with only cismen and mtfs
Honestlu, that Gigi gorgeous "im more of a woman that biowomen but i want to have a baby uwu" video is enough to see it too. Its horrid to think that these mentally ill men want to hurt women that much but at the same time, theyre such a small part of the population. And most of them are just in it cause its trendy.
The next trend will be probably transracial or transanimal or something.
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I told a sissy to remove a photo of my friend on pinterest because she was uncomfortable with it being used in that context and this is the response I got. Why are men so entitled to women that using us sexually without our consent is considered an acceptable way to express gender and asking not to be violated is intolerant? Sissies using photos of Lolitas without our consent made me reach peak trans but I feel like I can't discuss this with my comm because they all follow the same ideology and I don't want to be ostracized. I am sick of Pinterest sissies trying to appropriate our expression of femininity without sexuality for the sake of getting off (Btw his Pinterest username is merrymaid579)
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This really grosses me out. Not the first time I've seen one of these people create spaces solely for pictures of kids to self-insert and/or sexualize, too. Why do so many not even draw the line at pictures of children??
good fucking lord. lmao. when did TIMs become so mainstream?
anyone who tries to say someone passes or not needs to watch a video of them first. it’s so fucking easy to clock a man because his mannerisms are either just that of an effeminate gay male or uncanny valley mimicry of a woman.
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tfw men see girlhood as a sunshine and roses fairy tale to fetishize rather than a complicated and often traumatic experience
I checked the board out of morbid curiosity and yeah, no. I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt that maybe
he just liked the photos and they made him feel nostalgic for a childhood he never had, but then I saw the vintage underwear ads that used photos of very young girls in bras and I knew what was up.
Piece of shit belongs on a watchlist. These freaks never fail to disappoint. Every day, I grow more and more transphobic.
This, I watched the video and I laughed at "women aren't visual uwu"
Yes, that explains my old porn addiction.
I think women are just socialized to be ashamed of sexual feelings, thus the thing we're raised to accept is men being attracted to us. We're trained to find men acting upon us as inherently attractive on its own and shame at wanting men or having standards.
For raw female sexuality, look to socially rejected fujoshi who don't have to save face since people already see them as gross. That shit is pretty visual.
fujoshits are only rejected in the west anon. they're fine in japan, and actually a huge boost to japan's commerce.
i do agree with you tho, it's just another one of those "male and female brains are different!" ploys.
Never ever let men claim that part of you. As women, we are different in many ways, many good ways. I truly believe men are jealous because they are hairy and violent creatures. Women are more thinking and logical than men. Not to mention, our fashion is awesome. We don't have to do anything to be a woman except be born a woman.
Be proud of that, anon. Men will never claim that space. We just have to fight against them, as we always have.
Despite being str8 I can't watch a lot of het porn because the males/sex acts are usually visually unappealing.>>318173
I've had that experience like twice in my life. It's scary to me and not really super pleasurable. Might just be me, though. For me it's similar to times when you get too high/drunk but all you want to be is sober so you can regain control of your body.
Yeah, same. I never truly hated my body (having small boobs helps) but I hated being treated like a girl, so I’d wear boys clothes and cut my hair very short and be delighted when people mistook me for a boy. I’m straight, but most of my interests were considered masculine. I’m also autistic and spent way too much time on the internet so if it were more of a thing back then I’m sure it wouldn’t have been hard to convince me I was trans.>>318211
I’m absolutely sure that the overwhelming majority of these people wouldn’t be trans or even “genderqueer” if they didn’t spend so much time on the internet.
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They continue to be more and more repugnant
I hope youre doing alright anon. And Im sorry, I hope your dad gets thrown away into the trash where he belongs. How can anyone say that their child deserves to be raped as a lesson? Thats below animals and scum.
And to think that trannis believe all girls are magical princesses playing with ribbons and dolls growing up is pure delusion.
I'm not a lolita but a lot of my friends are and I observe from the sidelines and godspeed to you guys with the sissies. The original lolita fashion was created for girls to express ultra-femininity that was frowned upon and especially hated by men, which only made the fashion more popular with girls. And now there are sissy men getting their rocks off on it and screaming bigot when they're told to fuck off with their fetishizing. It's disgusting. >>318144>For raw female sexuality, look to socially rejected fujoshi who don't have to save face since people already see them as gross. That shit is pretty visual.
I was just thinking about this. The "women aren't visual/women don't watch porn" meme is meant to signal that we aren't supposed to like sexual stuff because we're expected to stay pure and virginal. The treatment of fujoshis is a pretty good example, even the translated name "rotten girl" came from the fact that men on 2ch felt that these girls are ruined for consuming sexual material. Nobody gives a shit about men reblogging big tiddy pseudo-lesbian pandering because it's the status quo but a woman enjoying two beautiful men meant for the female gaze? Inexcusable! Either get back to the light romance novels with implied sex scenes or only enjoy watching porn your boyfriend likes!
No one sees TIMs as real women, except for other TIMs (maybe, since we've seen how troons can be hostile towards other troons and will ridicule them for "not passing enough" or stuff like that). Everybody is lying, but in the back of their mind even the most fervent SJWs can clock a troon right away.
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People on Twitter piled on Sarah Ditum today because she noticed how ridiculous Travis Alabanza is. He's claiming to have "lots of PTSD" now because he wasn't allowed in the female changing rooms at TopShop. Why do people continue to support narcissists like him?
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They're actually killing lesbians now
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Yeah I wouldn't want this thing anywhere near girls, either.
Disgusting. I have no idea how old this guy is since his wikipedia doesn't list it, but there's no way he's below 18 let alone 15.
Disgusting, creepy pedophile.
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I wonder if they will claim Rivers isn't really
trans even though HE has been a trans activist for over 2 decades. You'd think a murderer this notable would make more headlines or trend…https://www.c-span.org/person/?danarivers
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I THINK LESBIANS SUCK
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This pic just lets you know how trendy it is to accept troons. It's sort of frustrating to see less than 1/4th of the reactions on this photo are the laughing face.
I don't even believe they actually think they're concerned about their "safety" anyway, it's all about invading female spaces and having power over them. >>318369>(Really interesting, the same timeline also saw an increase in awareness of the negative health consequences of HRT and hormonal birth control - leaving pharma companies with expensive labs and production facilities with reduced market for their hormone products. What to do? How to sell hormones?)
This really makes a hell of a lot of sense and confirmed a lot of my suspicions. Thank you for the insight anon. I already knew that trans organizations have a load of money running through them but I hadn't drawn the connection between these things. >>318385>inb4 "h-h-he's not really trans! TRUE TRANS people are made of flowers and sunshine uwu" while still supporting TiMs who make violent threats towards women