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This can probably go into >>186179
But to answer your question. Science shows trans people are delusional, that there's no way for the brain to realize something -should- be there that you weren't born with( the dysphoria is a mental issue, and 'gender' as in society is a learned behavior. Of course they just parrot what they see in the media.
>>203215>Trans women admitting they have a mental disorder that needs to be treated, that know that, even with the most successful surgeries, can't still be women but feel comfortable presenting that way
>Trans women screaming they're real women, that they want to be women only because they don't "feel" masculine (read as = don't like their gender roles), that they need special spaces, that say that their penis is "a woman penis", that transition only to look like your basic bitch because they just like the aesthetic and lifestyle, that act stereotypically like women (screaming, squealing, "slaaaaayyyy" etc) and standing up for women problems (such menstruating, childbirth)
In the ocean with a brick they go
Exactly. They often say shit like "As a child I always loved dolls, pink, dresses" etc etc
I'm a proud to be woman, I despise pink and I love blue, I love having stereotypically masculine interests (technology/science) and I hate skirts and dresses, not because they're too "woman like" but because I don't feel comfortable with them.
In my house, me and my bf do both chores (we cook, clean etc), does that make me a trans male? Just because I don't like being forced on a gender role?
My exact way of thinking.
Especially I know this ""trans girl"" (more like autoginephiliac) that failed so much at being a male that now lives as a female.
A stereotypical female.
Buys make up (which terribly clashes with his face) and feminine clothes who fit terribly because you know, he doesn't have boobs or hips and walks with pumps and stuff.
Not saying that those are exclusive of a woman' but imagine waking up one day realizing you're living a lie.
If I was trans, I would rather die that having a fake penis to "blow" or mutilate off my healthy body.
It can be mean and edgy, but sometimes I'm kinda glad they get surgery and then realize it was all wrong.
Cure yourself with therapy for accepting your body, don't mutilate it, you'll never be a real woman, no matter how hard you try or your feelings are hurt.
There are two types of trans - the tumblr and the "sane". Tumblr trans deserves no respect whatsoever, they deserve a smack to the face.
Trans people with actual dysphoria… I'm not sure. I respect them as people and wish them the best, but it's still a mental disturbance. They can be assholes if they're into social justice, and their stereotyping of women is harmful as hell, but I don't exactly hate them. I just think their existence is problematic
It also makes me mad and unfeminine women are being pressured into transitioning/convinced they're trans. Whatever happened to feminism?>>203263>sometimes I'm kinda glad they get surgery and then realize it was all wrong.
edgy as fuck but I feel the same. It feels right, in the sense of "a correct/expected outcome to a situation". Not morally good, I don't think it's a good thing for anyone to suffer like that, but it shows that they still have some sense in them.
Ya, I respect them as a person, not as a _trans_ person.
It's still a mental disorder.
I still respect schizophrenic people, but I don't tell them to give in into their illness and stab themselves like their voice in their head says them to do.
Trans is a mental disorder that needs to be cured, not excused.
They used to have my concern/sympathy, until they all but took over feminism and now you basically aren't allow to speak unless you have a boi pucci. Which is ridiculous, given that women make up 1/2 of the population, and trans people make up such a small minority.
Bring up one single even slightly controversial issue, and you're automatically labelled a TERF.
I also hate how they spread false stats to make themselves look oppressed. Cis women for example are just as likely to be murdered as MTFs. The stats are almost the same.
MTFs also have the same sexual offence rate of cis men, which is why I don't think they should be allowed into women's bathrooms. There have been lots of cases of cis girls and women being raped or assaulted in the female toilets, by men in drag.
It's a mental illness. I don't think I've ever met a trans person who acted 'sane'. I feel bad for the fact they will face a lifetime of painful surgery. self mutilation, depression, dysphoria and ridicule. But they are so misogynistic and envious of cis women, my sympathy has mostly dried up, really. They can still be nice people, but there's always seems to be an undercurrent of resentment and woman-hating anger on their part.
What do you think of men?*
But really I only see them as delusional fetishists
The guys and girls who like them are the same
I don't get why most feminists are so accepting of them either, same with drag queens. They're practically making fun of women 24/7 and drag queens do as their job, it's cringey and gross
I'm pretty sick of them tbh. I've never met a trans man I didn't like but trans women are such caricatures of women that it's insulting. I hate how intersectional feminism has become the norm and feminists are lumped in with lgbt and blm issues. I've been called a terf and swerf plenty of times but idgaf. Feminism, by definition, is about women. What trans women and black people go through can overlap, sure, but they're still seperate issues and I wish people would leave then that way.
I hear all of this talk that they're "breaking gender norms". How the fuck is perfectly adhering to a gender stereotype in any way challenging it? I'd understand if they were men who dressed like women but they genuinely believe that they're women with all this "female brain" pseudo science. I'm sorry, but your brain isn't wired from birth to want stick on nails or blue eyelids or 6 inch heels. Why has no trans women ever quietly transitioned into a woman who wears suit pants or sweaters? Why are they always covered head to toe in fetish items like pigtails, mini skirts, stocking and basically anything you'd see on a hooker/porn star? I've no problem with people transitioning but maybe do some research and stop relying on porn?
They always carry their misogynistic beliefs over with them no matter how hard they try to insist they were born girls. They always feel so entitled to women's only spaces even though I don't see trans men doing the same. It makes me uncomfortable but ofc a m2f trans person's feelings should always take priority over mine because they were once male and that makes them centre of the universe. I see a lot of hate towards "cis" women which wouldn't happen of it was genuine and not a fetish for them, they'd want to befriend us if they genuinely felt they were one of us. They always stick to themselves in little hug boxes where they can tell each other that they pass well as women because God forbid a one of the people they're trying to impersonate actually gives them some advice or a little tip.
There's a campaign in my country for abortion rights (it's banned here in all cases and punishable by a prison sentance so it's very important) and ofc trans women had to stick their noses into that. Now we can't make any signs that show wombs or other female reproductive parts, we can't write the words and we can't chant about them because ~some women don't have those parts~ okay then WHY ARE THEY AT MARCHES FOR REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS? If you go to one, expect that there will be signs depicting the body parts we're fighting to own control of for ourselves and if you can't control your testosterone then stay at home. Seriously how can they claim to be women who care about reproductive rights when they don't want women to have ownership of their own body parts? Join a pro life group if you want to censor paintings of vaginas and tell women how to live their lives, cunts.
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I think "traps" have taken over the idea of transwomen. I think transwomen genuinely want to be left alone and not be harassed. They genuinely ARE women but understand the differences between them and biological women.
What I constitute as a trap are men crossdressing because they fetishize/cater to those who fetishize transwomen or are are lowkey misogynists who think they're better than biological women. They refuse bottom surgery and insist that transphobia is the only reason straight men/lesbian women/etc. don't want to date/fuck them. Traps encourage the idea that transwomen want to "trick" or rape people by surprising them with a dick, increasing aggression against transwomen. They shove themselves into female spaces, screeching about womanhood, speaking as if they have any authority on female biological functions.
I joined a Facebook group for women and girls who are sponsored by Google to go to a female-focused tech conference and this person was in it…what the actual fuck, I'm infuriated. Their profile picture and posts should've gotten them disqualified, but beyond that they get to parade around with young girls when they are obviously a mentally unstable male. I feel very unsafe and I'm afraid of speaking out about it. If you are not passing, you should not be considered for women's scholarships.
You also can't live your entire life as a man, then decide you are a woman and expect me to relate to you in any way at all
Yeah but how do you "feel" like the opposite gender?
What's a "man feeling"? What's a "woman feeling"?
Can you explain it without using gender roles or stereotypes? (Ex. Liking pink, glitter etc etc)
Because if you can't, it's not different from a person that claims to be fucking Hitler because "they feel that waY"
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i'm "cis" female and I don't feel like a woman mentally or spiritually at all, yet i'm pretty comfortable calling myself female and a woman. The experiences that make me feel more "woman" all have to do with either my female body or the way society interacts with me and vice versa. External experiences. They may influence some of my mind but absolutely not all of it. My entire being and mind are neutral and not static, like I'd assume a healthy human mind should be.
Trans rhetoric is the opposite. They claim the external experiences don't make the gender but the person is
the gender. Maybe some people really do feel that way in their soul, but honestly I think that attitude is how a lot of sexism starts in the first place. Mistaking the body and external experiences for the very person, to the core.
It seems that srs and hormone therapy are the only treatments that have been developed for this mental condition when they're actually pretty shit. I have no problem with someone who wants to present as whatever gender, masculine or feminine. But I think it would be to everyone's benefit if that didn't include radically changing your biology, and trans people were instead treated to accept their body and change it in healthy ways (diet and excercise, for example) and then when they felt comfortable with themselves as people, cosmetic things like FFS could be considered, because then it's just an aesthetic thing. I just think it's stupid to treat a mental incongruity with physical surgery. Where's the logic in that?
and I also think people that haven't existed as a female presenting person through their formative years should have some respect for those who have when it comes to reproductive rights and pay gap inequality. I have no problem with you learning about femininity and assimilating. But sit the fuck down and realise you can never understand. Only sympathise.
Find me a transgirl in sport clothes or without pumps
Or in general, with neutral clothing and without make up.
It doesn't matter that "without make up they don't pass" because then you're claiming that women are real women only if they wear make up.
one of the things that always bugs me the most is, everytime a trans girl talks about when/how they realized they were trans it's always "I like playing with my mothers makeup, liked playing with dolls, didn't like playing with the other boys" etc
like ok.. growing up I liked skateboarding and dirtbikes, am I a man now?
so yea and basically everything about trans is based off of gender stereotypes
I can accept transgender women as people, and I try to use their name and female pronouns, but honestly I don't consider most transgender women real women. I have sympathy for and try to be considerate to transwomen with gender dysphoria, but I still think they're men with a mental condition rather than truly being women. I hope in the future we can get an actual treatment for mental gender dysphoria, rather than telling men to lop their dicks off.
Most of the transwomen I've met online have really blatant tells. So many of them are obsessed with trap, dickgirl, and futanari porn, lots of them are conveniently trans lesbins as well.
Honestly though, if a transwoman can pass well, in both appearance and mannerism I'll pretty much accept her as female. If I can't distinguish her from a cis woman, she might as well be a cis woman in my eyes.
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Its been completely negative.
Honest to god, the only two I saw around my university were extremely clockable. Both extremely tall, one lanky with a horse face and the other like a plumber.
I remember sitting in a female restroom stall, doing my business, and I hear someone noisily enter the room, like a wild boar had just stumbled in, not exaggerating. I kinda froze because it was so jarring. It was the plumber looking tranny.
The stall next to me becomes occupied and I see their feet. Their hairy, callused, size 12 feet, complete with sausage shaped toes. They were wearing dirty shoes like pic related and later on when I walked out, I saw them wearing a knee length gypsy style skirt, with THOSE SANDALS. But while they were pissing next to me, I hear all sorts of guttural grunting and heavy breathing, I SWEAR TO GOD. They were so loud.
I see them outside shortly after, their shoes being the obvious identifier. They were standing in the crowd watching some university event. No makeup, unstyled pink hair, and thick rimmed glasses. Their presentation was a goddamned mess and they fooled NO ONE. It was a damn 50 year old man trying to dress like his interpretation of what a 20 something college woman dressed like. And of course he was loud as fuck, guffawing like the middle aged MAN he is.
I have never seen a person stand out so much in my life. He had the subtlety of a brick.
And of course, people like Riley Dennis expect lesbian and bisexual women to fuck people like that.
I feel like through the whole acceptance of transexual people there are just that big bunch of crazy people that are not actually transsexual but thriving from the attention, speshul status and confrontation/rebellion they get from it.
Then there are probably a bunch too, that are actually at loss about their identity, sexual identity included.
Like I personally feel Laverne Cox is a tremendously genuine and authentic example of a transexual woman. Personally I think I can feel how comfortable she feels in her skin being a woman and that it doesnt matter if she gets attention, ass-pats or what not from it, it's just who she is.
I have not the same perception about other transexual people.
And seeing youtube (where all the attention whores go) and the rise of "I regret transitioning" or about generally "detransitioning" I feel confirmed in my perception. I dont know what it is with these people, but I think it is really sad, because they pull the reputation of actuall transexual people down.
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My opinion on the matter has changed a lot. I used to defend them almost blindly, but I guess I started changing my vision when I met a trans girl that was completely batshit insane. Like, patological liar, narc, stroic, the whole package. She would lie about touring in Paris as a musicist, steal videos and pics of prettier/more successful women and claim it was her, she insults everyone under the false pretense that "shes joking", and even tried to make a friend of mine forcefully kiss her while she kept putting her hands under his shirt when he struggled to keep them off. Awful stuff, really. But if you dared to say any shit about her, she would claim transphobia and threat to sue. The worst part is that a lot of people that are "new" to her drama actually thinks she's a super renowed phD (she claims to be so), and the first trans woman to be so (even if it was true, she would have achieved such positions as a male still, so..?) And my hate for her probably sparkled my change of heart, since I started noticing a lot of trans people were just like her.
The other trans chick I know is actually way more chill and doesn't perpetuate the gender roles as much, but she thinks she's super enlightned (she once said she learned a way to count to infinite or measure all the numbers, stuff like that, and said something like "you probably won't understand and think I am crazy though", she also claims to speak a fuck ton of languages and to play thousands instruments) and also… she said she realised she was a trans girl while watching Yuri. Yeaaah. Nothing sketchy about that. But I take this girl over the first one at any time, really.
There are also some annoying ~non-binary~ people at my uni, one of them was actually a super weeb, his actual name was like George (not real name of course) but he introduced himself with his "artistic name" (his own words), which was a weeb Japanese Name. He was actually made fun of a lot at the time, but now he claims to be non-binary and changed his weeb male name to a female one and gets pissy if you don't call him by that and says "you are not respecting his trans identity".
I remember my boyfriend asking something like "If society actually abolishes gender and gender roles, are really going to be trans folk around? Without the idea of gender? And sexuality being solely based on what body parts you find attractive?" Not quoting, but it was something amongst those lines. I could never actually answer it at the time, but yeah. Trans folk cling to an idea of gender. If gender doesn't exist, trans doesn't either.
As everyone else said, I still respect them as people and will use their preferred pronouns or whatever, but yeah. I don't buy it.
Sorry for this being super big.
I've met people trying to explain it like "You can't explain it! You just FEEL it! N-now shut up transphobe!".
tbqh I used to defend the trans issues to death. I was never a full on SJW or a intersectional feminist but I held trans issues close to my heart and firmly believed that brains can be "wired" to the wrong gender. I remember the first time I started doubting the whole idea was when I got stuck in an argument concerning the issue. Someone said that there's no medical proof of transgenderism being biology-based. I was hellbent on proving this person wrong and tried to look for sources that transgenderism was real because you could "have the opposite gender's brain" and didn't find anything. Instead I found studies debunking that.
But ultimately it was the transwomen who made me realize that it's a mental illness and not a biological condition. They were so goddamn demanding and aggressive just like the men they were born as. And I'm not alone, plenty of people realized what a scam the whole movement is after the women's march transphobia accusations.
Don't kiss some surgery-filled ass, love yourself.
yeah i think a lot of "terfs" are ex-trans supporters who got fed up. transactivists are never satisfied or grateful and just take and take with more and more invasive demands from women who just were compassionate enough to try to work with them. >>203396
I'm willing to use preferred names and pronouns too, even after "peak trans" because to me these don't explicitly imply female. Lots of kinds of people and things can be referred by names and gendered pronouns, but I'd like the word woman to remain "adult human female" so I draw the line there and of course the word female. >>203387
Very succinct way to wrap this concept up. I think a lot of us feel this way.
>>203505>I just want to see one example of a tranny who isn't a misogynistic dick in some way or another.
I try to make a distinction between internet feminists, and normal feminists. I think you should try to do the same with trannies because I've met plenty of them who didnt have a single streak of misogyny, and this comes from the pov of someone who also considers them mentally ill.
I've actually met a few of them in my life and it's only on the internet that I see shit like trying to call actual women "uterus bearers" or other sorts of nonsense. Or if someone does, they're not even trannies to begin with. Just people trying to virtue signal. >>203519>I'd like the word woman to remain "adult human female" so I draw the line there and of course the word female.
I've gotten many of those sorts of internet activists to admit they use terms like "cis" to make them feel more normal. Because let's be real here, you don't need to label what's normal.
>>203520>I try to make a distinction between internet feminists, and normal feminists. I think you should try to do the same with trannies because I've met plenty of them who didnt have a single streak of misogyny, and this comes from the pov of someone who also considers them mentally ill.
I agree, there are plenty where I still may not agree or relate to their on their views on gender, but they're nice and un-misogynistic enough to have a civil discussion with and be friends. Generalizing any group is a stupid habit, even if they really really test your patience.
I wouldn't mind the word cis if it was mostly limited to trans forums and other trans circles to be basically a technical way of saying non-trans, but fuck the people who expect women to use it for themselves all the time, like a fucking scarlet letter that implies you're a pwiviweged filthy born woman who should be grateful for her superior female social status!
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>>203522>I wouldn't mind the word cis if it was mostly limited to trans forums and other trans circles to be basically a technical way of saying non-trans, but fuck the people who expect women to use it for themselves all the time, like a fucking scarlet letter that implies you're a pwiviweged filthy born woman who should be grateful for her superior female social status!
Sure but that latter point is basically why it came about. You said it yourself, there's an appropriate term in the form of "non trans". But being trans is inherently abnormal, it's like saying "not not normal". So instead you try to force the normal people to define themselves, in an attempt to normalize it.
It's all very transparent, but you get in trouble if you call it out.
Yes, it actually is, however when she was invited to a conference, people were asking her for her credentials and diplomas and shit and she started crying transphobia and a lot of people believed her, boycotting the event. She really has some blind white knights for some reason. It wasn't a big enough boycott, though, the event is still running annualy AFAIK.
She also keeps changing her name to run away from these accusations. I've talked a bit about her on /int/, really, if she was american or british she would probably be a big cow on this site, because she's crazy and milky as shit.
I'm a stealth transman and I feel guilty saying this (because I'm also trans) but a majority of transwomen make me uncomfortable. Obviously I don't mean every transwoman ever because I can only speak for those I've met directly, but I'm 5/5 for bad in-person interaction and those are some troubling odds.
For me it has a lot to do with how they treat me when they believe I'm cis and how they treat cis women behind their backs. There's this overwhelming aura of petty fakeness and entitlement that explodes the second a cis woman walks out of the room. I know how catty girls can be to each other but this is completely different. There's a lot of hate and spite just because some people are born cis and these transwomen weren't. I've defended cis women only to be told "UGH but she has no idea how good she has it!" There is also a lot of blatant sexism ("do you really think SHE knows how to fix this?" well yes, she does have a degree in the field…) and brushing off whenever a cis woman has a valid complaint ("be grateful your cramps are so bad you're passing out! I'd LOVE to have periods! omg our cycles must be syncing because I'm a being such a bitch right now!"). Every transwoman I've spoken to in person has also hit on me while claiming to be a lesbian, but when I say I'm attracted to men they love to tell me about their girl cock. It's hard to treat them like women because they don't interact like women, nor do they interact with me the way I interacted with men when I presented as a woman. They interact like men who are basing their interpretation of women off of sitcoms, porn stars, or anime waifus, and they treat me how other men treat me. It gives me these uncanny valley vibes. Trying to discuss trans issues feels like a minefield because anything I say can and often will be taken offensively. I've even been scolded for not using cis or trans words to differentiate, when I thought they wanted to be thought of as regular women. The second we got a gender-neutral bathroom at work, it became all about "what else can we change to accommodate the two trans women in this massive business with 5,000 other workers who have managed to exist just fine for x# of years?" Honestly I tried to be supportive in the beginning but now I just feel wary.
Also, this next bit is unrelated to transwomen but is in regards to an earlier question about how one explains why they "feel" one gender or another. Tbh I don't (or rather my brain doesn't) feel like a man OR a woman. I just feel like me and I've always known my body is female. I've just always wanted to look like a man, grow a beard, have a deep voice, and build muscle. I'm content with the balding, the bad smells, and the body hair in strange places because I never wanted to be a living anime boy, I just want to be a more masculine version of me. There's more to it than that, of course, but at it's core I was just incredibly unhappy with having a woman's face and body. I can't really explain why I want to see a masculine man when I look in the mirror, just like I can't explain why a certain color is my favorite or why I like certain foods. It's just that way for me and going against it made me incredibly depressed. Being trans a mental illness for sure and transitioning is a serious step that doesn't help everybody but it has definitely helped me.
Thanks for typing that out. That was interesting and affirming to hear but also gave insight into an area i don't have much experience with.
also your description about what wanting to be a certain gender means to you is like the first one i've read (and it's rare that people will even explain it) that really makes sense and is understandable. i even relate to it in a way because i'm not saying this is the same thing but i also don't feel like a man or woman but i happen to not mind having a female body more often than it seriously bothers me. from what you wrote it's not too hard to imagine having the femaleness bother me more often than not and also preferring to have a man's presence. maybe that's mental illness too but the real mental illness i think is the delusion that you are that biological sex and acting entitled.
>>203573>something different or unsettling as unnatural or 'a mental disorder'
Trans is literally a mental disorder by definition, though. And labeling mental disorders are inherently negative or something to be ashamed of does people with mental health issues a disservice.
As a Crazy Person I can't help but cringe when people who claim to be inclusive and tolerant say that calling transsexualism a disorder is bad. In their own lingo, it's ableist and ~problematic
unironically these "lesbian" trans women have a fetish for being seen as women. its called autogynephilia. and apparently trans women have high rates of co morbid npd and bpd, so when they don't get catered to, they explode in narcissitic rage. they get the narcissitic supply of having power over what people say, and they get to be treated as delicate victims and given attention.
this is why talking with a trans woman who is attracted to actual women is so weird.
I cant believe the gay movement got hijacked by het males with a sissification and futanari fetish. read this, it all adds up.http://annelawrence.com/autogynephilia.html
>>203841>I wonder what changed over that decade.
All the fucking discourse and guilt-tripping about trans women being real females and lesbians.
There was always the issue of men/straights meddling with lesbian bars, but now you can't just have a big butch bouncer kick them out without getting shut down, and the straight men who showed up did know at the end of the day they're fucking men so they're not gonna score even if they jokingly try. Trans women are generally more detrimental to lesbian bars than party-crashing dudebros or fag hags who cry at gay clubs because unlike those people, they will assert until the very end that they not only fully belong there, but that they're entitled to sexual consideration from all the lesbians.
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Here is my professional infographic about why transwomen are doing much more damage to the integrity of gay clubs than the previous suspects.
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this thing messaged me on okcupid lmao
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instantly reminded me of this
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anyone see what happened in london? bunch of TAs protested a 'what is gender?' event and a woman got attacked. of course the TAs say they are fighting violence with violence because misgendering is violence! punch a terf is pretty much synonymous with punch a nazi now and it's scary
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>>204515>punch a terf is pretty much synonymous with punch a nazi now and it's scary
I've been saying this would happen for ages.
Antifas don't actually have a fucking clue what a nazi is to begin with. First they started thinking Trump supporter=nazi, and now the manlet jew Shapiro is apparently one too even though Trumps devout supporters kind of hate him. It's only logical they'd move onto TERFs. Regardless of if you think it's ethical to assault someone for their beliefs, these people are so disconnected from reality they cannot tell what is what.
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A little ot but the other day I heard someone call these "terf bangs". Lmfao since when have they been called that? I've always associated them with sjw/tumblr types along with the "problematic glasses".
I love how sjws are so fucking ugly that their own people reject them. Dying.
Calling these people "nazis" is actually weakening the word. There are genuine neo-nazis out there today who believe in nazi views such as eugenics and that there are superior races and I've genuinely met people who think everyone in their country who isn't white should be put to death because the white race is supposedly "at risk". Weird how they won't target actual neo-nazis who genuinely do want them dead.
Nazis had some fucking sick beliefs that resulted in the deaths of millions of innocents. Someone giving their opinion isn't the same as putting anyone who isn't blonde to death ffs. That pisses me off. It's also an insult to the survivors of the Holocaust who are still alive today to compare being misgendered to being treated as subhuman.
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If you look closely, there's a guy with a gun and he actually threatens the trans activist women that are with them, this is fucking sad and sick.
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Proof they were with the trans
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oh my god that image is so funny
ps for ppl that try, the only link that works is the one ending in /a/IK4rn
jesus fuck thank you so much for linking this.
i have never been so grateful to be a biological woman, gonna' appreciate my own body more now.
I'm so torn on how I feel about the legality of SRS.
On one hand, I'm very uncomfortable with dictating people's choices about their bodies. I think "they might regret it" is a terrible argument to not allow people to do something. However, I feel like SRS is on a whole other level. I see it as catering to someone's delusions and mental illness to an extent that is very harmful to them. How is this different than a doctor removing all the fat in an anorexic's body until she's the skeletal frame she desires?
I've read a few stories about trans people killing themselves as a direct product of the surgery. One transman said he had become a monster and it didn't make him feel better, only worse.
These people aren't getting functional genitals. They're getting Frankensteinesque flesh jumbles that vaguely look like them and are riddled with complications.
What I've always said, there's no surgical artistry that will give you a functional vagina, only a cicatrised axe wound between your legs.
Also, it makes me wonder and cringe and how fucking dirty it must be
Like, a vagina has self-cleaning tissue and secretions that keeps you from getting humidity infections and get rid of discharge.
For what I've seen, when they make a penis into a vagina they use the skin of the penis as a makeshift vaginal canal, skin that sweats, gets humid and smells when you don't clean it, not specialized biological made tissue.
Do they even consider that before going to the butcher's table?
yeah even going through the most traumatic experience in their life they still can't resist insulting biological females.
Their views on natural female anatomy reminds me so much of how gay men view women.
so, some get surgery down there and the realize that it's not the "real thing" and stop the penetrating, which let everything grown together or what?? I don't even dare to google that but what's the point of going through such pointless and harmful procedure if don't want to take care of it anyway??
this entire thread to this topic is just bizarre tbh: https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/6b5g7v/why_does_it_seem_that_a_lot_of_trans_ladies_have/
>cutting the death flesh
>>204836>yeah even going through the most traumatic experience in their life they still can't resist insulting biological females.
which is why i always wonder why they want to become something they have such disgust and disdain for.
but it's nice to learn that literally everyone hates women, not just cis men. Feels so great, living in this world.
What do you guys think of this article?https://medium.com/@juliaserano/debunking-trans-women-are-not-women-arguments-85fd5ab0e19c
Kinda long but I'm always fascinated to get the other sides perspective. I think they make a couple of valid points but it still seems like a "not all men" argument, of course in this case it's a "not all trans women" one
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>>203215>I've heard of trans ladies hating and treating naturally born women terribly
I used to be sympathetic about transwomen, before I spoke to some and started reading blog posts/articles written by them, and what you have put here is true. Quite a lot seem to be self obsessed sociopaths
>Just cause you act hella bitchy doesn't make you "more of a woman".
I actually think this idea is ironic as men in general are ar more bitchy but its just not labled as that. At college in our group there was 4 of us girls and one guy, and he was the one who started all the drama, he and his boyfriend referred to themselves as girls when he was being super bitchy, just made my fucking eyes roll.
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what in fucking tarnation that is the most spiteful and predatory shit
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Oh believe me theres more,check out this sick shit
And before anyones like, oh tumblr! I used to be part of the bdsm community and-yeah I know most people there are fucked but its not a coincidence there are a lot of "transwomen" there
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One more for ya, maybe the worst. Dont have nghtmares, seriously that stefonknee freak doesnt seem that unusual now.
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AAAGH. I looked into this and I think it's just a troll harassing TERFS but still damn. I hate how they focus on harming little girls specifically.
apparently these were posted on a transwoman blog-tbh I dont know as I pulled them from another imageboard. However as I said used to be into bdsm and heard stuff along similar lines (which is why i promptly left)
Hey if you're up for a storytime i can deliver, just be warned brain bleach has not been invented yet>>204908
Well maybe because to them little cis boys are human beings they can relate to where as little girls are just doll pieces to be ripped apart and envied. To think I used to support these people! (to be fair not all of them are like this but too many are) look up alok-that idiot said little girls who are abused were asking for it-so many transwomen project their own twisted sexual fantasies onto little girls its disgusting.
>>204965>You know what, I just wouldn't take Tumblrinas as an example of a category of people.
Who said I was? You may wanna read my reply again anon.>There are girls on there that claim to be feminists and do weird posts like that one you posted, but against men.
Boo hoo. I cant imagine its anything worse than whats posted on r/incel or any PUA blog. I have seen more mra's pretending to be feminists on tumblr claiming they want all men dead. Like I said I have met some irl delusional transwomen, why is it when people come across something they feel uncomfortable with they have to write it off as fake? There is a lot of violence in this world and transpeople are not an exception. That being said I have come across two online transwomen who are reasonable and nice, but they have been ostrasized from the community and been labled terfs for their beliefs but there you go.
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So people are not saying that the tranny that got shot "identified as intersex". Intersex is a very specific thing, even if you believe that gender=/=sex, it falls squarely on the biological side of things.
>Intersex people are born with any of several variations in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones, or genitals that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies".
Honestly this is another example of how they're trying to destroy the definition of actual words. The whole gender=/=sex shit only caught on because of that horrible study by John Money, where he tried to force a boy to pretend to be a girl after a botched circumcision, despite his attempts to just live his life as a man.
>Reimer said that Money forced the twins to rehearse sexual acts involving "thrusting movements", with David playing the bottom role. Reimer said that, as a child, he had to get "down on all fours" with his brother, Brian Reimer, "up behind his butt" with "his crotch against" his "buttocks". Reimer said that Money forced David, in another sexual position, to have his "legs spread" with Brian on top. Reimer said that Money also forced the children to take their "clothes off" and engage in "genital inspections". On at "least one occasion", Reimer said that Money took a photograph of the two children doing these activities. Money's rationale for these various treatments was his belief that "childhood 'sexual rehearsal play'" was important for a "healthy adult gender identity".
Transgenderism is a mental illness and the major players behind this bullshit are mentally ill sexual deviants.
>>205111>identified as intersex
Good fucking heavens thats the first time I have heard that. Not sure how you can identify as intersex, you either are or you're arn't. As you say, its a biological reality.
I mean, I now get why people now identify as otherkin and why transgender people freak out about it-to identify with something just sounds like you choose to believe what you want about said group. Its just complete bullshit.
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Yeah, lots of trannies/TAs don't believe in biological sex anymore. People who do are seen as "terf-y."
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okay, i didn't feel like posting here at first, but i guess people were genuinely curious about this
for starters: i'm a trans man. i know that my body is female, but something about that just… doesn't sit right with me. it's very hard to explain - but imagine waking up and looking in the mirror in a body that clearly isn't yours. there's just something off about it - something in the body that doesn't belong to you. that's what "feeling like a male" means to me. it means that i feel uncomfortable in my body and that the way i wish my body was, is a male body. for me, it has nothing to do with gender roles. i mean, i probably wouldn't want to wear a big frilly dress or anything like that, but i don't feel super duper "masculine" either. for me it's about my physical sex and dysphoria associated with it.
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lolol i know its called dysphoria (i have it diagnosed) but that's what being trans REALLY is. i just wanted to explain that since people here seem to think being trans is just "gender stereotype" this "man in dress" that. dysphoria is a real and actual thing and claiming to be trans without it is stupid
people who say they're trans because they "feel like a woman/man" either are genuinely dysphoric and incredibly bad at expressing themselves verbally or are just co-opting a serious condition
idk if i'd call being trans a mental disorder (that makes it seem like a bad thing and makes transness seem that it makes you inherently worse of a person) but i definitely think it should be recognized as a condition that, depending on the person, either therapy or transition is the best way to deal with.
Don't you consider depersonalization and body dysphoria a bad thing tho?
No matter how you sugar coat it, it is what it is.
It makes you feel ill and anxious on your own flesh as if it were an ugly suit you can get rid of, that's really fucking bad.
Transgenderism is an imbalance in your brain that makes you say asinine bullshit and fantasize about how happy you will be with a sausage of your own mangled vulva sewn between your legs.
Thus is a mental disorder and one that ruins you.
Please don't be a picfag.
ive had anorexia in the past and its really, really not the same>>205398
body dysphoria is a bad thing, but it can be overcome by transitioning for those who want it
what you just said has been said by other trannies 100+ times and worded in every way possible and it all bleeds down to the same ~i look at myself in the mirror and i don't feel like it belongs to me~ bullshit
enjoy feeling mangled beyond recognition afterwards >>204708
all of >>204708
is specific to trans women aka has nothing to do with surgery for ftms
maybe if youre going to argue with trans people at least get your facts straight
and you stop being so fucking delusional, god.
you think is any better for ftm?
someone is going to cut open your crotch close the hole stretch your urethra mangle your clit to stick it at the top of a meat sock to call it a glans and you're gonna hate every waking moment of it because is gonna hurt like hell once all is done.>maybe if youre going to argue with trans people at least get your facts straight
get off your high horse you freak.
no shit it's going to hurt, its surgery
i just wanted to explain being trans because people didn't seem to get it and people are calling me a freak. which is funny because when i talk about sex dysphoria and being trans on tumblr i get called transphobic.
You're definitely not the first or the only one coming to a trans dissing thread to try and "explain" us shit believe me.
Is really pointless, we get it and we still find it insane and unhealthy for one hundred reasons you people can't seem to understand.>B-b-b-but muh experience as a trans-
Nobody cares. You people either get over it at some point or kill yourselves.
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pic related had 300+ upvotes on /r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns
>but it's not a fetish, i swear!
Genuine question, since you're FTM. So in that post the user talks about dilation and all of the maintenance she has to do post-surgery. And forever I'm assuming (?)
For FTMs, is there anything you have to do to maintain the results? Or after you heal do you not have to bother with it anymore?
>>205387>>205392>A girl with a ton of internalized misogyny because there's only "being super feminine" and "being male" options>Not even transitioned>Comes to a transwoman thread just to brag about her awful, soul-eating dysphoria and explaining it like the worst parody of a transtrender with the generic "I just ~feel my body doesn't belong to me~!" bullshit>Picfags on the top of it in a true "DROP EVERYTHING AND LOOK AT ME" fashion
Yeah tell me again how trans people aren't just attention-starved fetishists >>205388
i'm not sure, tbh. i think you do have to do a few follow-up appointments after surgery but i dont think you have to do that dilation stuff>>205436
when the fuck did i claim to be a trans woman? i said i was a trans man and that my body was female, i.e, a body with breasts and a vagina>>205439
i'm mentally ill myself, i'm not saying mental illness makes you worse of a person, but calling being trans a mental illness gives it the same stigma as mental illness has.
Anon, you're on the same level of those people who think they're Napoleon or some shit like that.
Your brain is phisically sick. You don't get a free asspat pass just because you're trans uwu
You need to be cured and your cure and therapy is not a pretend game, it's accepting how you were born as.
You'll never be a man, no matter your feefees (also, please explain how you do feel like a man, without the use of stereotypes such as "I don't feel feminine" etc etc), no matter how many times you'll mutilate your body.
You were born and will die with XX chromosomes.
I hate how trans people get a pass for their mental illness. SRS and HRT is essentially the equivalent of letting a suicidal person kill themselves because it's what they want instead of helping them live happily. Trans people should have the same rehabilitation therapy to live as who they were born as, and no one under 18 or 21 should be able to get therapy of any kind at all because younger age groups have enough issues with figuring themselves out without adding sexual identity into the mix. I used to actually think being trans was legit, but when you see studies and research coming out about how bunk it is, it disgusts me it's being treated as a mental illness with no cure other than invasive mutilation. The people pushing this are sick.
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this is well said and also i get you
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They don't even try anymore.
Some criminals have transitioned to get the right of being in a female prison.
I saw some news about a dude who transitioned to avoid police. Took some months to the police realize he transitioned. And then when he was caught, he was moved to a female prison.
A lot of them want to transition so they have access to female only spaces.
Didn't take female prison into consideration. You have a point there.
I guess I didn't think of that since the prisons are quite safe where I'm from so that wouldn't provide motivation to transition here.
Invading female spaces is a big thing with them for sure. Are there even lesbian communities left without fake women?
Well the psychiatrists are not getting payed for the surgery but I'm sure hormones are a big business for them. Same thing goes for many other psychotropic drugs but that's a different topic.
Makes me sick too that they're pushing this crap on children. It boggles the mind.
/r9k/ will tell you that being a woman is easier because you can just easily find a man to take care of you and anything you need
yeah it works for SOME women but i don't think it works that way for robot tier trannies
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Shit like this is why I dislike trans women and the movement
The irony? The festival allowed trans women in, its how they managed to wreck havoc.
Rather than fighting for their rights or anything positive its more like they want to constantly scream how oppressed they are and destroy what others have built because they are angry. Like it doesnt make sense, unless of course they are narcissists like some have mentioned.
I'll respect their ~pronouns~ but they will never be female, ever.
The fact that they are pushing for children to be given hormones and puberty blockers younger and younger to stop "dysphoria" just tells me that they are ugly man faced and bodied fucks who are are projecting their "what if" Fantasies onto them, because they know they'll never be a ~beautiful passable girl~
that's not feeling like a man lol
What's a man? What's a woman? How do you feel like a man or a woman? Because you can't really explain it without the stereotypes anon talked about. I get the idea of sex dysphoria but what if there were no man? What would you feel then? Do you even know how men feel with their genitals? Do a man know how a woman feels about their genitals? As a woman, what does it feels to have something hanging there? Or do you want to be seen as a man to be treated as one?
In the end gender is bullshit, it's just the way to say "Men should behave like this" and "Women should behave like that".
cause it's fucking sick. genital altering is disgusting on it's own, but it's so much worse it's done to alter one sex's genitals to seem like the other's.
the way people treat sexual organs is disgusting to me. circumcise, douche, shave, don't smell bad, foreskins are gross, long labia are slutty. it's fucked up.
and yet these mental special snowflakes get pat on the head for their gross puss filled holes and oversized clits. fuck off.
To piggyback onto this, I'm a guy who enjoys video games, baseball, football, beer, and engineering.
I also love female fashion. I'm gay and not at all into cross dressing, so it's not a sexual thing. Having a few interests that fit the opposite gender is normal. You don't need to chop off your dick and scream it to the world to bake cookies. Trans is a mental illness that goes much deeper than not liking your gender.
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Another misogynistic youtuber is "full-time transing" now, whatever that means. First he was a crossdresser, after that "genderqueer" or something, and now he's taking hormones and 100% sure he's trans because of it. He rants about "TERFs" a lot and thinks a vagina is a hole for sex: https://youtu.be/-SeCD8tJUhU?t=19m23s
Even if you did wear women's clothing, it just wouldn't matter. There are so many heterosexual guys who just enjoy to put on a dress now and then maybe grow out their hair too. This needs to be an ok thing to do. Sure, it would make you a fetishist or a feminine guy but it doesn't make you a woman.
Feminine men and masculine women need to be an ok thing and a concept people can live with.
Yeah, of course I'm not gonna listen to your pleas to buy you the new iPhone.
Go to your room.
Upon some thought, the troll is right to bait me on that last sentence. It was not what I meant to convey. I conveyed my frustration rather then my point.
The last sentence should have been >DO YOU NOT REALIZE YOUR COLLECTIVE POWER
The previous words I wrote in all caps still stand. I am still frustrated.>>206329
Huh? I did read. What are you implying I missed
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I was only half trolling… I meant the not taking us seriously part. We're doing as hard as we can so chill out, wise up, and/or fuck off, grandpa.
>>206334>We're doing as hard as we can
I believe ya, but you're doing the wrong thing as hard as you can is what I'm saying.
There are worthy goals you are neglecting, that you are wilfully blind to.
I'm too old to be a revolutionary. What's your excuse?
>>206308>Another misogynistic youtuber
Wait, the only time I heard of Contra Points was when he made that stupid video about Free Speech/Censorship. I feel like I missed something very major.
>As a get-laid strategy, transitioning is about the worst thing you could possibly do.
While accurate, I'm pretty sure most trannies are oblivious to this fact and think they'll all become pretty girls.
My excuse? How about my fucking job for one? Lots of us millennials are poor. I can't just drop everything to try and Tony Montana my way up into an extremely closed-minded system until I demolish it from the inside out and become what you consider to be a ~revolushunlaree~, and the majority of my peers can't either.
Are you a troll or are you just stupid?
Only you can change the system so it doesn't make people like you poor. Nobody else can do it for you. Fact.
If you don't do it, your children will be even poorer than you. Prediction.
I'm very smart, thanks for asking.
Also> the majority of my peers can't either.
Are you bloody kidding me. Do you know how many of you are out there, in the same circumstances, and connected by the umbilical cord of the Internet?
"Look at us powerless millions" is what you're saying.
Just… just.. just please at least recognize your power and then throw it away if you want.
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"Female" fashion is one million times more interesting and beautiful than "male" fashion is. Most of the time it is a kink thing, but there's nothing inherently creepy about a guy wanting to wear a nice dress or something.
most standard women's clothing looks bad on men cause it's not meant for broad bodytypes. i think it -could- work if they made feminine clothing for men.
but man, come on, rigid gender roles have existed for thousands of years, we're not going to suddenly dispel them.
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What about frilly French court fashion from the 1600s? Way more interesting, colourful, beautiful etc. than what we have now. I was reading an article the other day, about how men's fashion essentially became muted and boring during the Regency era, and hasn't recovered since.
I have no issue with that, just as I'd have no issue with someone making skirts for men. Honestly, though, it seems even more difficult for men to break their gender roles than women, since so few of them care, and the people who care are MRA idiots who aren't fighting for the right things. Women can wear pant and suits and ties and whatever the fuck, but men can't wear skirts without getting insulted by other men (and dumb women), and that's a problem. A lot of men's issues, (male femininity not being acceptable, male rape not being addressed, child circumcision being legal, spousal abuse against males) are all mostly dismissed by other men. All of those things and many others, can be addressed in a way that contributes to feminism. And a lot of this stuff probably contributes to the fetishization of being female.
>>206465>What about frilly French court fashion from the 1600s?
Maybe it's because of the circles I run in but I get the sense that colorful and flamboyant clothing is losing some of its stigma because of people like the Landsknecht. Hard to attack the masculinity of a guy that ran around with a giant sword and fucked shit up.>>206470>Women can wear pant and suits and ties and whatever the fuck, but men can't wear skirts without getting insulted by other men
Probably in part because pants are generally perceived as more gender neutral. Good luck doing hard labor in a dress, but I don't really see any advantages to a dress aside from liking how it looks.
>All of those things and many others, can be addressed in a way that contributes to feminism.
Doesnt help the message is all over the place. Some women say feminism seeks to help remedy male problems, others say it's only for female problems and men need to fuck off. The average person just doesn't want to deal with that shit.
>>206481>I don't really see any advantages to a dress aside from liking how it looks.
I personally see no downside other than "someone might see your underwear".
I don't really get why men would prefer pants over skirts, unlike women they have a dick in there. Shouldn't a skirt be more comfortable, since it doesn't smother or constrict the D?
I bet some men have small dicks because of too tight underwear and pants unf