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I'm sorry you went through this shit, I hope you get better. >Tons of people act like they care about prostitutes online but I feel that they just say this stuff in order to seem "woke"
It must be infuriating when you read stuff like "educate yourself!" or "talk to sex-workers!".
I’m an escort.
It's not glamorous as people online make it seems, unless, as it was said before, you’re privileged enough to only get top clients.
I’m afraid most of the time when I’m going to meet a new client, it’s a risky job for numerous reasons and I don’t enjoy it.
I’ve found some nice, really nice and good people, but they’re the absolutely minority. There’s a lot of gross and unpleasant people, requests for all kinds of really bizarre, disturbing and disgusting fetiches, people asking discounts, people just asking nudes to masturbate, this part is really annoying, revenues are very unstable too.
This not the kind of thing I want to do for long.
BUT IN THE OTHER HAND
I’m grateful for being psychologically and physically able to do it, otherwise I’d be on the streets. I want to change my life one day and I don’t like this job but I’ll be grateful to it forever.
>>91089>Did you start with stripping and then escalate or did you do a bit of everything out of order? How did you feel the first time you started sex work that made you decide it was a life you wanted? And which one did you enjoy the most/less? I'm curious.
First independent sex work on Craigslist then sugar then internet stuff then escort then sugar then stripper then escort.
Usually I liked to just have on sd to help me out with bills. The stripping time was when I had a boyfriend. That was the most demeaning of any of the work. It attracts the worst men. Really changed my perspective on a lot of things. However, it was the most fun. I was never popular or hung out at parties. So it had that sort of fun party, center of attention thing sometimes. I did it for 3 years only but miss that and some of the girls.
I can compartmentalize, so I really feel no emotions from the sex or whatnot. It’s just biology. I think men are lesser for having this weakness and compulsion to get off.
It’s not a life I wanted or expected but it what it is. Like I said it’s a quick means to an end. Part of me is lazy. Life is too short. I didn’t want to work in a factory anymore or cvs. I didn’t want to date crumb bums from my neighborhood. Now I have a degree. Still need to figure out next steps. >>91091>What was most profitable? Any techniques or tactics you deliberately chose to maximize profits when working? How were your social skills then vs. now?
The most profitable is definitely escorting. Get in get out. I live in a well off city so it’s easy to get about $1k/hr. escorting.
I was always a bad hustler, however I always had a reliable following because of that. I like to think it balanced itself out. I would say always be honest with people. You never know if they’re testing you. Think before you speak and dont speak too much. Smiling is probably the most important thing ever. Most men want to see a smiling happy girl.
My social skills are vastly improved. Pretty much all do to the stripping I would say. I can speak confidently to anyone one on one without getting nervous anymore. I can go on a stage, smile fake bs like a politician. I would say above all else this has been the best unexpected result of all this sex nonsense.
Sorry for formatting, I’m on phone in bed.
Thank you for posting this:>When I see all these randoms acting like camming is somehow equal to prostitution I get seriously fucking mad. It's insulting.
I was beginning to think I was crazy for getting annoyed at the blurred lines from cam girls, Twitch girls, and various other things. Thanks for being honest about your experience.
Exact same thought process I had when I found the secret foot fetish section of eBay ("well worn" are the keywords). Men sexualize our feet, hands, hair, every body part. Our voices, clothes. Maybe it's an attitude thing but I think selling old shoes, or wearing low cut clothing on Twitch is a world away from "selling sex".
There's also another disturbing thought process if anyone ever feels like getting into a really gritty argument: If a kid is selling lemonade or scout's cookies, and unknowingly sells them to a paedophile, did they just make money from their "sex appeal"? Obviously not, outside of penetration it's all about perspective. And these blurred lines also discount the hard work of actual irl sex workers like the girls who have already responded to this thread.
“Stripper” does seem to carry the trashiest stigma imo. I think strippers are the most poorly treated as well.
Don’t worry though. Even if people found out, it will just let you know who your real friends are. And no one is without their own skeletons.
>>91205>secret foot fetish section of eBay ("well worn" are the keywords)
I would like to know more about this. I’d love to get into selling my used things for side money. How much would you charge for e.g. a pair of socks? What’s your profit off that?
I briefly cammed, and I totally hated it, but the money was great. At first I enjoyed the ability to set my own schedule, but like >>91195
said, I found myself super depressed after getting offline, which made it more and more difficult to force myself to go online, especially as a regular set schedule. I was going to school at the time, so it was nice to make money without having to leave my house, but I started shirking schoolwork too as I grew more depressed. Eventually I quit both school and
camming and basically became a NEET. I’m okay now though; I have a normal vanilla job and I’m working on my degree again.
Sometimes I’m tempted to go back to it, because I’ve made in a single night camming what I earn in a whole week at my vanilla job, but then I remember how soul-sucking the whole thing felt. Plus I still haven’t shaken the paranoia that someone’s going to recognize or even out me, even though I was super careful with my identity then.
I did a bit of research on it. There must be fetish sites you can also sell from, which may be a better location, but for eBay it seems to be
-have pretty feet and ankles
-Show yourself wearing the shoes (showing feet and ankles and leg if you can)
-emphasize that they are well worn and unwashed (lol)
-claim to wash them before dispatch to abide by eBay policy
You will of course get messages from the Buyers which you need to humor, and the popular account I found she wrote in her bio that she loves shoes and thinks they're sexy (or something to that effect) so, empathizing with the buyer. Shoe sizes seem to be preferably medium size and not the smaller sizes.
not sure how much profit you can get but as long as you seem to be cute/have cute legs and feet and are enthusiastic I think you could get sales. I'm not very good at being sexy in messages which is why I discounted it. Stockings/hosiery sell too (from people pretending to be air hostesses) but I didn't look at socks. I'd try and use a PO box too for obvious reasons.
I disagree, I wasn't selling sex.
But yes that is the image we get, and honestly a lot of strippers do more than strip I'll give you that. The image isn't entirely without merit.>>91340
It is I guess. You get naked and grind on people for money. For me, it was a rush and a self-esteem boost, and I could get just as fucked up as I wanted doing it.
The thing is, it was all just fantasy. It's what we sold, and in my case it really WAS fantasy. I've never even slept with a man, though that's probably because I'm gay. It was like a double life, living the party girl lifestyle but earning (lots of) money doing it. >>91308
It's associated with a lot of bad things for sure. A few people do know now and support me so I'm less worried than before, thank you anon.
I'd say the market is a bit over saturated right now, don't expect to make bank. The girls who are successful truly do put in a lot of time into it. It's like camming, you can't just just show up and look cute and expect money to come pouring in. Not when everyone and their mom is doing it.
If you have something unique about you or your feet, that can help a lot. E.g. being in the military, trans, even a fucking fungal infection, whatever…
You have to have a lot of patience and discernment - time wasters are like 90% of the messages you will get.
No, it's not weird that it didn't make you confident. I don't know where the idea of shit like this boosting self esteem even comes from. It didn't help your confidence and it made you feel shitty because no matter how much you say the clients weren't terrible. You know instinctively that these are shitty men who no woman should trust. Men who feel okay buying sex in any capacity from women who have no choice and have fallen on hard times have no morals. You can't feel good when misogynists who would never admit to being misogynists buy sex in any form since they consider women for sale. You're not for sale so you felt like shit.
My friend is doing sex work now. She's also in a foreign country. She suffered some serious setbacks that made her do this. She has no one to support her and her family is shit. Things are looking a little up and she could end this in a few months. She loathes every man she deals with. She knows they're trash since they're okay with coming to her. They wouldn't care if she was literally trafficked. Men are mostly trash and sex work isn't empowering.
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off topic but you should probably look it up, Kerr was with a financier, but never took any photos with him, and was gifted millions in jewelry, that she had to return since he was part of a federal investigation.
If that story hadn't got out, no one would've known she was seeing him on the down low.
Think High Class pussycat dolls for reference.
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the rich and famous are just like the regular people, just put a few more zeroes on the end.
you've yet to provide any real evidence other than that one
person was possibly involved in that. i don't give a shit about VS but your claim makes you seem like a conspiracy theory crazed incel.
>a-all of these VS model stacies are actually just paid prostitutes!!!
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You sound incredibly ignorant about Hollywood and modeling. Sleeping the way to the top is completely normal for a lot of women and is expected unless you know exactly the right people. Victoria's Secret and PCD absolutely have prostitution.>>91945
PCD in particular was so bad, that former member claims her manager was a Hollywood madam and the "den mother from hell", making one of the girls in a sister music group commit suicide. They were rented out all the time and given only 500 a week for both singing hit songs and selling their bodies to rich moguls.
>>92486>lol you could've gotten 500 on tumblr
You're showing your age, you fucking child. PCD predates tumblr and when this was going on, it was before the pathetic sugar baby patreon social media culture.
Also, you're dumb enough to think that once these girls got into a secret prostitution ring with Hollywood elites, they had the ability to just magically walk away and talk about it openly. That's the way to end up dead and one of the girls from the sister group did end up dead. Do you realize part of the "madam" manager's abuse was threatening them? They had to sleep with who they told them to, were worked relentlessly with practicing and performing, and could've been sued under contract. $500 was ironically the only thing they got out of it.>I'm calling bullshit!!1!
Then look up the fucking testimony instead of people having to spoon feed you.
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Anyone ever sell on ManyVids? I look at people like Legendarylootz, and it seems like she's been pretty successful on Reddit and has now moved to ManyVids, and she never shows her face. Think it could be a viable way to go? Reddit seems too confusing for me.
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You're probably thinking of Backpage. >>91078>>90994>>90997
Is there another way to escort now without the use of Craigslist or Backpage? How do you find clients or stay safe?
I sell on MV. I'm not a top model or anything but I make a lot of sales (ie. multiple sales per day). The traffic is fantastic but MV takes 40% of your earnings right off the bat, which is the norm for clipsites. Selling through Reddit I guess you'd make full commission, but it's nice selling through MV because you don't have to do as much work - they promote you and provide the traffic.
I don't know how legendarylootz is so popular either…her body is nice, but not THAT nice compared to like MissAlice_94 for instance (super jealous - her body is perfect!)
MV is definitely the best clipsite, IMO, if you're going that way - and I say that from experience because I personally sell on practically all of them (gotta diversify!) and I make like 4 times as much on MV than any others.
Good info anon, thanks!>>93901
Cool, no one cares, sage this kind of shit.
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This is a bit of a vent, but I'm an escort and I feel that this "career" is slowly driving me insane. Some of my clients (mostly white guys) are very agreeable and I enjoy their company a lot, and actually sometimes miss them.
But there's so many bookings where I have to see men who make my skin crawl, to the point where I feel repulsed for hours and hours after work. I'm cringing right now thinking about this experience I had today. The job is very lucrative and I need the money, but I'm considering going back to downing tonnes of cheap gin before I start a shift next time so I don't have to remember.
That's not how I read it>most of her clients are white guys>Some are nice>Some are creepy
Not a sexworker but from customer service the two guys who creeped me out for hours afterwards and every time I saw them (how they acted, moved, what they said, stalker behavior) were very tall old white men. I don't think white men are exempt from being creepy.
I started on mygirlfund a week ago. So far I like it! I just want extra money. Now I'm considering manyvids and pantydeal. I like the websites that allow you to block areas, it makes me feel a lot safer and so people who might know me won't find me (you can never be too sure who uses these sites). Pantydeal it seems like you can't block areas, just make your profile to friends only or members only or whatever. Not sure about manyvids.
MGF does take out 45%, then you level up after making 2,000 and they take less and less with each level up. However, I think it's fair because it's so easy to get customers on it. And there's a rating system so you already know who is a good customer, and the possibility of being banned makes everyone not dangerous or creepy. My first week and everyone has been completely nice. I think it's a good alternative to, say, tumblr, or something where you have to find your own audience, though I don't have any experience doing that on there. With my other job and full time school I made about $200 (not counting what they take out). Just some nice extra money, and if I consider my job now making $10/hr, that's more than a work day (not even counting taxes being taken out).
I'm considering wearing a mask or something for websites that aren't MGF though. I'm not sure. I just feel a lot more secure on there since it's members only who can see/talk to you and you block places.
Here's some helpful info from a professional internet hoe:
- ManyVids DOES allow geo-blocking and pays out 60%
- Clips4sale DOES allow geo-blocking and pays out 60%
- iWantClips DOES allow geo-blocking and pays out 60%
- AmateurPorn DOESN'T allow geo-blocking and pays out 75%
- Modelhub DOES allow geo-blocking and pays out 65%
Of course it's better to show your face ngl, but if you absolutely can't then I reccomend playing it up and making it your thing. "Anonymous" is a category on these sites, and you can work the fetish with a bit of creativity!>>96731
Every site requires ID and will deny altered pics, so unfortunately you can't blur your name. At best you can submit a passport (no address) rather than ID.
They won't share your real info with anyone. I felt weird at first, too, submitting my real name and identifying info, but I figure at most some IT people see it and I'm cool with that.>>96791
Nope, there's no way to block people from seeing your name on PayPal. They're super strict and notoriously anti-SW, so avoid at all costs!
I've used circle, venmo, and google pay, but none of them are technically SW-friendly… if you do use them, keep all talk of what the payment is actually for offsite!
Tbh I'm still looking for a reliable payment platform. I haven't had problems with any that I've used, but I've heard it's usually only a matter of time… especially with paypal.
I've heard good things about cashapp, though!
**If any farmers have questions about non-camming internet-SW, drop 'em here and I'll answer to the best of my experience!
Oh that's risky. If there are some security breaches with those sites, your information will be leaked and everyone will know. Even big companies have had issues in the past. And those are small sites in comparison and you know they try to save money in every department.
In the end you are NEVER anonymous because you gave them your ID and they can do whatever they want with it.
I'm intrested in trying non sexual escorting, but I don't know how to start? Do you guys reccomend any agenies or just solo? >>96894
Bit offtopic, but do you know if there is anything besides camming to do on the web? Wondering if there is such a things as rental-internet girlfriends
Yes! You can absolutely be an internet-gf for money: many guys don't just want nudes but a meaningful, personal connection and if you can provide that for them, they will pay you.
You can start on a site like SextPanther which is a pay-per-message platform. You set your prices, they give you a fake phone number and then you just text with dudes. You can send pics and short videos, plus offer calling services (phone sex) if you're cool with that. It's actually pretty awesome!
However, it sounds like what you need is an online Sugar Daddy. They are very hard to find, but they do exist! My advice is don't sign up for a site (SA, sugardaddie, etc.) but instead work your social media. Create a twitter and IG for that purpose (you don't have to post your face, but include some cute, teasing pics to show you're real). Post about needing a "hero" or some shit like that, and utilize the findom/sugarbaby tags (#paypig, #sugardaddy, #humanatm, #finsub, #walletrinse, etc.). Then DM, DM, DM! You're going to have to make a genuine connection with someone, so it helps if you're a strong writer. It'll take some time and work, but you can totally catch a whale that way.
for the first thing, post on IG/tumblr to gain following then offer paid. start patreon later if at all.
for panties/shoes, just bag/box them up before you go to to the post office. put no return address or a fake one (usually just a pretend PO box) and if you need to say the contents, say it's used clothing. a lot of post office workers will usually make small talk about ebay or poshmark lmao.
Sorry, new mgf anon here again with an update and men have almost spent collectively a total of $1000 on me. I'll get 55% of that. Once I hit it I'm cashing out for the first time.
I haven't listed any prices on my profile, I feel like once they ask about it they're already somewhat invested. I just put a little bit of (normal stuff) about me on my profile. My interests, pets, what I'm going to school for. Plus I've been doing some custom stuff too! You can agree to do whatever you're comfortable with.
I don't know about the 1099 thing, does anyone else? Also, I'm using the skrill payment to cash out, not the mailed check.
I agree with the face thing, also. But I feel secure on this site, all of my interactions have still been nice and I'm still very happy with the site. I keep comparing it to how much I'd make a work (which is $10/hr) and it's funny.
Does anyone know how much your percentage you get to cash out with increases with each level up on mgf?
I just wanted to add, as far as prices for content, keep experimenting with upping what you're asking for and see if they will go for it. I didn't know how much to ask for at first. In my opinion, what the featured girls are asking for from what I see are SUPER cheap. Guys will pay more than that. And worst case, they'll try to bargain with you, which I usually still say yes to, because it's still money that adds up rather than getting nothing. Play that game and ask for more than you think it's worth, then either 1. they'll go for it or 2. they'll ask for what you thought it was worth in the first place. See what you're comfortable with getting paid for for the work you're doing/what you think your content is worth.
Also secrets for you anons but some of you obviously already know this:
I use SNOW, meitu, makeup plus, and I bought an app called clearvideo that makes your skin look perfect and all glowy in videos. You can adjust everything about your videos, crop them, etc. Guys don't know any better.
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Can any escort anons give advice on how they do it safely (since places like Backpage have shut down) and their rates?
just go on tumblr.
tbh it sounds like anon was 16-17 only a few years ago.
I have some tips on safe sugaring.
Know who they are:
>pay for a background check, they are cheap
>make sure to get the guy to send you a picture of his ID so you know his real name DOB and any other info
>make him get STD tests and ask for dated copies
>don't let him drive you home, take uber, if he does drive you home eventually and you're still worried, ask him to drop you off at a close by shop and go home from there after he's left
Know what/who you can handle:
I use what's your price because this allows me to scope the guy out on a paid dinner date.
>make sure if going on a paid date, he pays you first thing, or during the dinner and walk out if he refuses
>if he is creepy, pushy or makes you uncomfortable in any way ghost him, there will be others, the money is not worth it
>never let him take control, make these kinds of men know that this is your game
>if you decide to sleep with him, only do it at a hotel (not a motel) and go to a high end one, that way if anything bad starts to happen, a commotion will get you help more easily, and nicer hotels require more from the guests, even if it cuts into your pay it will be safer.
Be careful regardless:
>don't get too comfortable around him even if you think you know him, who knows, don't trust him so easily
>sugaring isn't limited to old beta men anymore like it used to be, be cautious even with men you've known across years
>protect yourself with birth control, condoms etc.
>protect your identity and life
>money is never worth being in danger
Most of the guys I've been with were short (I'm 5'10) beta older men who seemed generally harmless. If I ever got with someone who turned out to be harmful (for instance a creepy guy who gave me a huge list of "sex rules" including telling me I couldn't have any sweat on me or smell like sweat, ever) I would ghost and block everywhere immediately.
The best guy I was with took me out on dates and gave me $200+ plus gifts just for dates, and usually $1k for very short sex. He was repsectful and never did anything I didn't like, just teased and asked if he could, and was fine being denied. 4 years into it he took us to Universal Studios, which was about 2hr plane ride away, and I was fine with it. Got drunk, did karaoke, it was nice, but I only went cause it was 4 years, and he was pretty genuine. We did "couples" stuff too like going shopping for a spaghetti bowl for his sister, chilling with his older friends etc. It was actually pleasant! But he got arrested cause he was in the mob.
Worst guy is the one above, who had a creepy list of sex rules. He was a super pushy ugly indian guy. He lied about what he'd pay me and I left with $300 of his money after making him rent a fancy hotel.
Chaturbate doesn't have a paid messaging service. Arousr is legit - all sites are going to take a hefty cut, but keep in mind the benefit is that they provide you with traffic.
I'd recommend SextPanther, but you need to have a bit of a fanbase built already to really succeed.
There's also MyGirlFund, which I've never used personally, but I've heard good things about. You just make a profile and then guys message you and you can charge them per message.
If you're down for voice chatting (phone sex - it's still a thing), you could check out NiteFlirt
Sorry for the double post, meant to mention that the best way to market yourself and build a following (and remember, you don't need a huge following to be successful - 90% of your income will come from 2 or 3 people) is through Twitter and Snapchat.
Post lots of selfies and updates about your day, and INTERACT with others - seriously, the best way to gain quality followers is by commenting on others' posts. Follow tons of girls in your same niche and make friends with them. When guys see their favorite girls interacting with you, they'll be more likely to check you out - I'm not saying poach other girls' fans, but you know… people can like more than one person.
Snapchat's pretty similar to Twitter as far as marketing goes - again, post tons of pics of yourself and whatever cool things you're doing. You can use these platforms to create a "brand" for yourself. If you create an interesting enough brand, the followers will come.
I have been a successful sensual masseuse and escort/prostitute for 2 years now, since I was 19.
I need to leave. Something has changed and I need out and I realise this is the point where women either leave or are broken by the industry. It has stopped being fun for me because I woke up and realised it wasn’t fun it only was familiar for me to give people what they want from me. Every single woman I know in this industry has been sexually abused at some point. My 30 yr old still working madam is in denial about her “treated” childhood ptsd & a lifetime of selling her body. Every older madam in the business has warped perspectives on men. None of them are married or have kids, which in my madams case is something she desperately wants. Everyone is obsessed with plastic surgery and men - how to make them pay you, love you, marry you, and for both cis and lesbians I know in the industry, obsessed with hating them. My job is glamorous sometimes, but it’s a hollow existence being a body people project things on. This isn’t a healthy way to live. Validation becomes the thing that feeds you when you’re empty - compliments, MONEY, how good you can perform a sex act makes you feel like you’re in control and you’re empowered. The longer you stay the more you slip into more dangerous shit - sex with one or two clients, then unprotected sex, blowjobs, clients who have me considering anal, clients that will pay me $200 just for me to sit there clothed while they masturbate saying how much they hate me. You are an outlet and a vent for men. Married men will confide in you and tell you you’ve changed their life and they mean it, but they’ll never actually change their lives to fit you in it, even when you both feel like you’ve fallen for each other. Some men you think are sad but respectful but give them a chance and they’ll violate your boundaries and you start to trust nobody. I began to see why other escorts seem to have trouble in their personal lives when I never saw how before. You view sex as currency and your body as a commodity and something to trade - for attention and love. You get annoyed when real life men don’t want sex from you as you’ve valued yourself on that and don’t know what to offer, but the men who just want sex from you hurt you or you only date other damaged and emotionally unavailable men. The men who are okay with your work are actually not or they’re sexual deviants or both. In my case, I had little to none real life sexual experience before I got into the industry and still don’t. Real life men feel emasculated and intimidated by how you use your sexuality as control. You have to fragment your brain to accept that some things are transactional, and to force yourself to work when someone touching you makes your skin craw. Only a true narcissist or psychopath could be happy being an escort forever and there’s plenty of those women out here.
I honestly can’t wait for my body to be my own again and to be able to control who touches me. If you want to talk about any of this my discord is vienna#5035
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Jesus fuck anon
Idk if it means shit but I’ll pray for you.
I hope it gets better
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So start a discussion here? No ones stopping you. It can be both things.
>readily available advice
what are we supposed to do? google "how to be a prostitute"?
Do any of you lie about your age? Curious if I should say I'm 23 instead of 27. I think I could get away with it.>>98375
There's lots of advice on reddit on the sugarlifestyleforum sub.
Yes, I say I'm 9 years younger than I am - gotta work that teen niche! It's the age everyone guesses I am anyway…I just don't correct them.
You can say you're whatever age you want (over 18, of course) - make a persona, or don't. Just do whatever you feel comfortable with.
Been pointed towards this thread by an anon and well, even though it's not as spectacular or even interesting here's my share of experiences:
I got into the whole sex work stuff about 5 years ago. Started off fairly innocent by selling shoes and socks to guys pretending to be girls on sites like vinted etc.
Later through a forum found out that I'm also very much into posing nude and recording myself doing sexy stuff and found out I'm really into fetish/bdsm myself. So through that I also started selling nudes.
I didn't make a noteworthy amount of money of either of those but it never was more than a hobby anyways.
About a year ago I lost my job and had to find a way to get by. A friend told me about selling panties so I got into that. Besides panties I also sell socks, shoes, videos, pics, bodily fluids and basically everything people request. The guys on the platform I'm using usually are really kind and so are the other girls. It's a nice community and I'm glad I found them. It's really not enough money to live off, though, so I also started escort. Fortunately I'm still privileged enough to have middle class men as clients and since I work for an agency I usually don't have to worry too much and I always give myself the right to just deny a client or their requests.
As for the sex stuff… I don't mind it too much tbh. Never really got much out of penetrative sex anyway so it's not much different from sex with partners, apart from the missing emotional bond, which makes it easier though.
I was happy enough to find a cash pig a few months ago but so far I didn't milk him too much.
Overall I make decent money but everyone who thinks it's less work than an actual job can suck my ass. Even though I don't mind the sex stuff, 3hrs of doing escort has me just as exhausted as working an 8hr day at my old job. If not more. So I can't even begin to imagine how hard it must be for anyone that actually struggles with having sex with strangers and has to do it anyway just to get by.
US anons, I need advice on taxes? If this is the right place, idk, I thought I'd try. I might hit up a reddit, but I'll have to search around cause I'm not really into/familiar with reddit.
I'm filling out the W-9 for manyvids now. I still haven't submitted videos yet, though. But what am I supposed to do for mygirlfund? I googled and found (this info was for cam girls though) I would put self employed and put "web model" then I just record how much I make on there and make payments or whatever? I have another "normal" part time job, too.
I need help adulting.>>99132
There's literally no reason to be a cunt
No, no, no, don't do that - that's fraud.>>99139
Anon, that W-9 you're filling out now will allow you to be sent a 1099 when tax season comes around. A 1099 is basically just a form verifying your earnings for the year - you report the amount off your 1099, similar to any vanilla job.
Granted, I am not a tax expert - accountant anons, please feel free to correct me, but I think that's more or less accurate??
yeah and so is not claiming all your tips as a waitress but everyone does it.
anon doesn't have to claim unless she makes $400+ during the year.
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>>98878>Besides panties I also sell socks, shoes, videos, pics, bodily fluids and basically everything people request.
What platform did you use for this anon? I haven't seen much discussion on here about selling "bodily fluids" how did that all work?
These are a few of the sites I've found helpful:
^granted those are mostly camming/clip selling-centric, there's a lot of great info that translates into any type of sw (ie. promo & marketing, etc.)
I know I've used other good sites, too… I'll see if I can find them again.
It's a German website so idk if that really helps.
>how did that all work?
The platform already offers the option to sell panties that are stained with urine, feces, period blood, spit or cum, or stuff like pads and tampons. And at some point I had people start requesting e.g. to send them several loads of cum that has been inside of me together with a slip of mine. Sometimes they want me to tell them what to do with it, sometimes they tell me the story they think about themselves.
>>99512> working for yourself for $400 an hour.
You're still working for Mr Goldstein. Now you're just getting fucked by him a literal sense, and you'll still have to work for him when you're too old and unattractive to get paid for sex.
Honestly I don't care what you specifically do, but encouraging other girls to get into sex work by acting like real jobs are for suckers is so fucking irresponsible. Stop prioritizing glorifying your own lifestyle and defending your own choices over other women's safety. You know damn well it's not a safe, secure job that is easy on one's mental or physical health. If a woman has other choices, like working for 'patricorp global', they should take it. Sex work is too risky to be anything but a last resort.
this. its not even comparable to a shitty office job. as someone who's done both (sex work for sheer survival) the office job is a million times better. especially when you only end up doing 3-4 hours of actual work per day, and fucking around the rest of the day.
the "freedom" of sexwork is not freedom.
I like how you took 'sex work' and boiled it all down to prostitution in a place where it's illegal.
There's mountains of sex work that does not involve getting into stranger's cars or setting foot in their houses.>>99525>You know damn well it's not a safe, secure job that is easy on one's mental or physical health.
I absolutely 100% guarantee that my job being naked and lewd infront of a camera, and talking dirty into a microphone is safer and more secure than a whole shitload of 'normal' jobs.
Nobody warns their kids about the dangers of working in fields around industrial equipment or harmful chemicals.
Nobody warns their kids that unless they're management, they're disposable fodder who will be laid off the instant the company finances wrinkle some investors' noses.
As for mental health, I've seen way more of my 9-5 friends having breakdowns than I have my T&A friends.
you can't get tenure being a camwhore you idiot.
i guess you wouldn't understand how job security works seeing as you work a job where you bottom out at age 30 (or 200lbs)
>>99544>Nobody warns their kids about the dangers of working in fields around industrial equipment or harmful chemicals.>Nobody warns their kids that unless they're management, they're disposable fodder who will be laid off the instant the company finances wrinkle some investors' noses.
What the hell are you talking about? Most companies have strict health and safety policies to prevent workplace accidents. Anything that involves equipment and chemicals is going to be especially strict. Any adult knows middle management is the first to go when a company is in trouble. Impressionable young girls, however, don't get a realistic perspective of sex work when it's people like you showing off online about how awesome you and your life is. If it works for you, fine, but being defensive to the point you misrepresent reality is potentially harmful to people who think it's fun, easy work.
Your job is not secure. It's a big black hole in your work history, and it's an inherently temporary job. You have no sick pay or leave allowances, you can't get redundancy payments, you can only work while you're still young and attractive, you are at risk of being doxxed or discovered by people you know, you can't put it on a resume because of the stigma, but even if you did - what skills, experience, certifications or connections have you gained? If you have had a great experience with sex work you are LUCKY, not an infallible and accurate perspective on it.
Hey, I make A LOT more than $400 an hour! I also have a hefty savings account, a 401k, and health insurance.
I do all my sw online and NEVER meet clients in person.
There are ways to be smart about it.
Double post, but I'm set up as an actual business which I administer through my website. So my actual job title right now is webmaster.
I've learned marketing and publicity skills, I've learned how to code and run a website, I've learned graphic design and video editing, I've learned how to negotiate with clients (not to mention I've developed excellent interpersonal skills), I've polished my writing skills, and I've learned personal accounting and how to manage a business.
If those aren't skills gained, then I don't know what are..?
And yet here you are, on a sunday, shitposting on a legbeard matching site.
Just because you run a porn tumblr and promote yourself on twitter, doesn't mean your publicity skills and marketing skills are very useful. I really don't see how editing porn clips and making anal closeup compilations can be counted as graphic design either.
Do you really think any employer won't actually google your company and realise you're a self-employed camgirl and not the business guru you claim to be? Negotiating a neckbeard to pay 60 tugboat bucks instead of 57 tugboat bucks for pictures of your dirty feet isn't exactly a useful skill, nor is roleplaying as his grandmother. Saying you've polished your writing skills by talking to neckbeards and writing tumblr captions is the equivalent of a fanfic writer with their CV stating they've self published over 100 short stories - useless.
Get a Grip Girl.
i too am clearly a webmaster because i learned HTML to make shitty custom myspace BGs 10 years ago for all my weeb friends.
seriously tho, what the other anons said. running a tumblr porn blog isn't really a skill, and not a difficult one either. and most of your "marketing and sales" experience amounts to no more than most ebay buyers and sellers can gain.
Thirding a discord!
Cause like yeah there's probably forums and stuff for this subject but it'd be fun/helpful to have a closer group to talk to and help out. And this thread is kind of surprisingly one of the more active ones on /g/ I think? And still keep it kinda
anonymous too like no need to share our usernames and pages for what sites we're on.
Look, I'm not trying to start a fight here. I just wanted to provide another perspective on the topic, and tbh flex a little because I'm proud of my work.
There are a lot of assumptions being made, and I'm not going to address them all because the sw community is small and I don't want to accidentally dox myself.
I dont run a "tumblr porn blog" - it's a regular ol' .com site. I am NOT a camgirl - I've never cammed in my life.
Ok, the 401k was admittedly a stretch - I do have one but it's from the job I worked prior to starting my site. I'm just holding onto it for now until I switch over to a roth-ira.
I browse lolcow when I'm bored and need a good laugh - I usually stick to snow. I dont think any amount of money would make me not want to come here once and a while for the lulz.
I'm sure this post is going to get shat on also, but it's fine. What strangers on the internet think about me has no bearing on me. I just wanted to provide an alternate experience to all the horror stories that were popping up.
Sorry for triggering
so many of you! Believe what you want - I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. Actually it's better for me if you don't believe me, because then it's less likely one of you will try to do the same thing I'm doing and poach my client base.
I'm happy to answer questions!
can you explain to me why you're such a cringy tryhard on an anonymous board
? sex work or not, your claims were really pathetic, hell this reply and confession are pathetic because you don't amount to being a person on this site.
also for someone claiming to be more educated and well rounded from her "job" you certainly did no research before "flexing" blatant lies to us. i still cannot believe thought you could just lie about getting a 401k, even though professional adult entertainers don't get it. and a quick google shows you that even if you were employed through a camsite, the type of employment doesn't even qualify them to offer 401k at all.
Good that you acknowledge it, good luck with stretching your asshole today for a quick buck!
Remember that not all medical insurances cover anal tears!
What's wrong with stretching your asshole for $$? That's a very puritanical mindset. It's just an asshole - everyone has one. It's really no different than an earlobe or an elbow, and I bet you show those for free everyday.
Would you say the same thing about somebody selling foot pics? They're still being used for sexual gratification, but feet aren't considered "private parts" the same way genitals are…is that just as despicable, or do you draw the line at assholes?
I'm really sorry I'm being so bitchy and catty - I do try to stay out of drama, but I'm just having so much fun with this argument! So thank you, truly, for the entertainment.
Lmao you're so embarrassing. It's really obvious how much you hate yourself and your shitty degrading job by how hard you're trying to compensate.
But keep bragging about your ability to get old nasty men to give you coins for showing them your dirty butthole, that's very impressive anon!
aren't you busy being a ""webmaster"" lmao. the point is that sex work is easy shit, it's simply unskilled labor like factory work or construction, only you don't really provide a valuable service like goods, and unskilled laborers generally lack intelligence. basically, anyone proud of their sex work is going to be stupid (and you're proving that point pretty well). in fact, the only thing about you that's entertaining is that you're so unintelligent, stupid enough to lie about 401k, stupid enough to then come back on anon and flex, and yet again stupid enough to reply. sex workers are basically the human version of cigarettes stupid, useless things that only satisfy stupid, useless people.
i really don't understand why anon is acting like it's such a big accomplishment (tho it likely is for her), i learned how to do all the shit she said plus graphic design to fuel my jewelry making hobby. anyone ITT can do what she "learned" hell, 18 year olds do the same shit, it's not special. the only real difference between us and her is that we're smart enough to know that objectifying yourself is bad for society and not worth the bullshit.
also, as for office jobs, i would much rather be yelled at by some idiot complaining about a scratch on his furniture than some idiot bitching about my boobs being too saggy or something. people paying your wages generally don't personally criticize you at regular normal jobs, and they certainly aren't criticizing your body.
>>99727>complaining about a scratch on his furniture than some idiot bitching about my boobs being too saggy
yeah this. what anon said in >>99724
confirms my suspicions that a lot of sex workers who claim to love it have a weird sociopathy towards themselves, like they don't have any of the feelings attached to their bodies that most people do so they can treat it like it's just a bunch of parts for sale.
Attachment to the body is unnatural. Your body is not you, it's just a flesh vessel to carry around your mind and soul for a limited amount of time.
Why are all you girls hanging around and posting on a sw thread if you're anti-sw? This was supposed to be a place for industry discussion, and you've all just sort of hijacked it and turned it into a morality shamefest. Rude as hell.
I fourth a dischord, but let's require some vetting so that only sw are allowed. I'm tired of these bitter, little prudes clogging up the thread.
Please, leave us alone. If you don't agree with sw, fine, but keep your opinions to yourself. Nothing you say will make us think any differently, and it's obvious none of you have any clue what actually goes into making money as a sw.
You think it's all about nudity? No - fetishes are psychological. The majority of my work is writing and roleplaying different scenarios. That's the skill not everyone can do, and it pays dividends.
I take it you've never heard of findom, or even simple online domming, or else you'd know how uninformed you sound. Educate yourselves before you talk shit about a group of strangers you've never met, you know nothing about, and whose field of work you clearly aren't familiar with even the basics of.
Thank you, and have a nice day.
Self-objectifying is not healthy and not being attached to your body is unnatural. For normal people it is a part of their identity, it's always been and is the central essence of humanity and many philosophical discussions (buddhism and namarupa, the mind–body problem, dualism, neoplatonisms emanations of the One, epiphenomenalism etc…).
I'm all for prostitution and I'm fine with it, let's just not pretend running a .com anal dilation site for fetishists requires much else than an internet connection, an access to an asshole and a camera. Again, as stated above - we have all written cringey fanfics when we were 13, let's not pretend writing cringey fanfics to a neckbeard about inflation is highbrow literature.
It does not pay dividends. >dividend is a payment made by a corporation to its shareholders, usually as a distribution of profits.
Or is your site now listed on an index? SP 500 maybe?
Thank you that you'll stop posting, I deep down hope you're a troll but I'm quite sure you're not based on your claims.
Woah you can write shitty sex roleplay? Now that's a skill most people wish they had.
And being attached to your body is absolutely natural. Healthy people don't give access to their hole to any rando who throw money at them.
Wait, since it pays dividend does this mean your clients are the shareholders since they all own pictures of your asshole.
Does this mean the cum is the dividends???
Sex workers in the thread who met clients irl/had irl sex/worked in a brothel
>Sex work is demoralizing and I don't recommend it, it caused me PTSD
Online-only sexworkers who post/take videos and post text online
>Idk the big deal about sex work! Y'all are prudes!!! It's better than a normal job!!
Everyone is seeing this, right? Online-only sex workers do not speak for irl workers/escorts et al. They are not prudes for saying they hated it. People are allowed to have different opinions. If you find it a fulfilling job, great, but disagreement doesn't mean = prude.
Also it is not necessarily normal to disassociate with your body (DID, anyone?) and it's silly to posit that.
Some anons are truly just fucking dense. There's a difference between getting naked in the safety of your own home (camming), getting naked irl and fondled (stripping), and getting naked and fucked (prostitution).
I've done the first two and it still haunts me today, I can't imagine what the third would've done to me. I can tell you I thought I was perfectly fine at the time when I as working and it wasn't a big deal but it is now. I'm just lucky I didn't go so far to get my body violated, or worse. I was a camgirl and a stripper and I'm still a virgin because sex and men now terrify me.
I'd actually rather differentiate between those that depended on the money and those that do it as a hobby or source of secondary income.
I do offline SW myself, meet with clients etc. but I don't depend on the money. I don't HAVE to do it. If I actually had to meet clients no matter what to pay my bills I would be hell of a lot more miserable.
I do, however, agree with the point that SW in general shouldn't be glorified and be seen as a possible full-time job you can do instead of a regular one.
Depop is pretty good for stripper shoes. For more femdom stuff, look for demonia knockoffs.>>99866
Are you keeping it to tinder only? If not, use a separate phone number, wipe exif data from all pictures you send and do not interact with those who are closer to you. If someone was dedicated enough, they could triangulate based on location and info you've given them
>>100040>"all prostitution is rape"
>woman offering >man accepting offer >"rApE!!!!!"
all prostitution is always inevitably rape
even if the woman enjoys having sex and earning money is just a bonus and she isn't doing it in sheer desperation
it's always rape
Can't you read you fucking moron?
>earning money is just a bonus and she isn't doing it in sheer desperation
There are women that aren't doing it because they have to and it's their only way to get by. They literally do it because they like having sex with many different people and are privileged enough to be somewhat picky about their clients.
It's still sex work. It's still prostitution. It's not rape.
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They are usually guys who will push your limits and try endlessly to date you and get everything for free because it's love!
As an escort (or a sugar baby), if a client tells you he loves you, it's better to cut ties quickly before he either gets pushy or outright starts to stalk you to know the ~real you~.
A client saying I love you is showing he doesn't understand that this is a transaction with firm boundaries.
It was only a few years ago and it was tumble-tier libfems (asked for advice on a sex positive feminism page and got encouraged, older students at my high school encouraged it by telling me how cool it is and how empowered I must be etc). I went to a rich high school for reference full of wealthy white girls who had no idea what prostitution is like (myself included up until that point). When I bring it up in feminist circles now (I go to a very liberal art school) I get told how "but some people CHOOSE to do sex work and it IS empowering" and that I shouldn't "put down sex workers for their choice just because I had a bad experience". Radfems have been an absolute breath of fresh air lol.>>98547
do you live under a rock? sex positivity is all about this shit, constant memes about how empowering it is and how you're so strong and dominant and cool for it.>>99132
dude whats wrong with you. me: talks about how I was groomed into sex work as a teen and repeatedly abused. you: wow I feel so sorry for your parents :/ must be tough having a failure as a daughter
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Wow, you guys really are fucking sluts, aren't you?(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
Forgot to add that I also work a “real” IRL job so no work history gaps like someone mentioned earlier in this thread.
I wouldn’t do all the SW stuff I do as my only job but I do make money doing it than I do my IRL job. I have a few guys who I have on a pay schedule (outside of patreon or private cam shows/sexting) who straight pay me twice a month (300-500 bucks). With these guys I pretty much just send them messages daily (like casual chat) and occasional pictures just for them.
It gets kind of exhausting for me to talk to men 24/7 and constantly take pictures of myself but I can deal with it for now. Being a college student and balancing school/work is rough, so it’s easier for me to work part time IRL but make most of my money without a set schedule. This allows me to go to classes whenever, lots of study time, time volunteer/shadow/etc. it’s liberating time wise.
I’m still in school as well so I don’t plan on doing this forever.
Enjoy your inevitable divorce. >>103661
Cosplay is a nasty hobby.
- in a long-term relationship with the father of my child, plan to get married some day, and he knows every little bit about my past. It's not something I'm ashamed of, just not something I advertise either.
Robots are mentally ill scum. They think of you as a worthless whore whether or not you’re a literal whore. This thread means nothing in that sense.
Although I don’t understand when people think SW are scum/deserve to be shamed (wtf lol).
I mean I understand not liking it, thinking that it’s bad, degrading, not promoting it etc but for a lot of people it’s done as a last resort/necessity. Sure, I hate the glorification of SW but I demonize the sick men who pay for it rather than the workers who try to make ends meet by meeting a demand for a service.
I never would recommend SW to anyone as a job but I can’t blame those who do it. I just hope they get out of it fast.
>>103673>Promotes the commodification of women>Promotes the objectification of women (along with entertainment, porn etc)>Linked to terrible mental health, which it objectively worsens over time the longer you're in it>Linked to massively higher suicide rates>Linked to broken homes>Pornifies general culture over time (porn creep)>Fucks men's minds up for incredibly young ages, raises them on porn to think violence and degradation is a natural part of sex>Means women have to deal with men who were raised by porn and acquiesce or even develop stockholm syndrome towards this >Destroys the self-esteem of young girls by promoting unrealistic body image (bleached assholes etc), thereby helping to make more self-harmers>Symbiotically tied with human trafficking>Preys on vulnerable young women >Promotes pimp-shit rhetoric ("you're not a whore! you're sticking it to the patriarchy by sucking Mr. Shekelberg off under the table!") to justify this>Full of miserable halfwits who try to rope other girls into their misery by claiming every normal job is "also degrading", and comparing something like service employment fucking yourself with 10 inch dildos on cam, or meeting random old men in motels for awful sex. Just look at all the tumblr whores who tried to promote their lifestyle to other girls, providing "guides on how to perform sex work right" etc. ←— This one I particularly fucking hate>Bullshits about money (I've never met a "sex worker" who saved a penny, or had a dependable income after 30, if they exist, they're a tiny minority)
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wow! you just blew my mind with this!
Huh? Are you a fucking idiot?
I never claimed SW is good, that I support it, that it’s good and empowering for women etc. Sex work sucks and If I could make this a world where no one has to ever engage in sex work of any kind I would.
That being said, just because SW is shit doesn’t mean I’m going to step all over the poor women coerced or forced to do SW lol.
I understand what you’re saying but I think educating people on why SW is shit is better than shaming and abusing the people doing it already.
I’d like to take people away from sex work, and a lot people get stuck into it thinking they’re not people anymore or worthy enough to do anything else/can’t do anything else. It doesn’t make sense to alienate SW, how else will they leave their shitty profession.
I wish we could have a country wide program to rehabilitate SW and give them Normal jobs and also help prevent others from starting SW. that’s my ideal.
I think we have similar end opinions but just different ways of enforcing that opinion haha.
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It's actually stupid easy if you put a bit of effort into it
Tbh though that is a fair point: being successful at online sw DOES require excellent internet/research skills…
I say this as the anon who originally posted about ELM…which btw if anyone wants to discuss the topic of promoting oneself as an e-hoe, I'd be so down to trade tips!
nta, but how is this a discussion thread if you're not allowed to ask for more information or questions on SW?
>being successful at online sw DOES require excellent internet/research skills…
What does that have to do with what is probably a non-SW anon asking a question? I do SW and it's literally an industry that exists in the "shadows" by it's very nature. It's not that hard to believe that someone who doesn't know or work in the industry wouldn't automatically know all the terminology or acronyms right away.
I'm NTA nor am I trying to get into SW but why is this literally always the response when someone ask a seasoned SW questions? Like I get it they could just google it sure, but is it really going to kill you to just answer the questions.>>inb4
wHeN i StArTeD i DiDnT hAvE aNyOnE1111!!!
okay that's cool but I bet you wish you had? Is it really going to harm you to help another girl out lmao. Clearly other girls in this thread don't mind.
One thing to keep in mind if you're contemplating getting into camming is that ALL camshows are recorded and reposted on the internet - EVERY SINGLE ONE! Don't be fooled into thinking that because you're a new model you won't draw enough attention to be recorded - there are bots that automatically record every public show (yes, your first show included!) - and we all know that what happens on the internet stays on the internet…
So if you're cool with your nudes being permanently entombed on the internet, like I am, then go for it! You can make a shitload of money. But if you have any hesitation about it or if you intend to pursue a "traditional" career one day, then don't. There's no way to erase the fact that you've cammed once you have - there's no going back.
Stick it out on your current account - it takes time to build up a loyal following. Try to be online at the same time everyday AT LEAST 3 days per week (ideally go for 5 - more than that and you'll burn yourself out), and stream for a good 4-5 hours each time. Soon you'll attract regular tippers - keep in mind ~95% of your earnings at any given time are going to be coming from 1-3 people, so it really is a matter of quality over quantity.
What are you using in terms of webcam/lighting? When you broadcast, around what FPS are you hovering? With a basic logitech setup it should be 30 - less than that and there's something eating your bandwidth (which is usually an easy fix, just takes a bit of troubleshooting). When members enter your room, do a lot of them tend to leave immediately? That could also indicate a problem with your streaming quality.
In my experience, the most important element of a good cam setup is lighting - if you haven't already, you should invest ~$50 in a professional photography light. Get the highest wattage you can find - I have a 1350W softbox from Mount Dog that I bought on Amazon and I love it! The first time I streamed with it my room count literally doubled.
I'll think if there are any other tips I can recommend, but hope this at least helps somewhat!
Honestly, none. I'd say you could try sugaring, but idk how or where you'd go about finding an sd without putting yourself out there on the internet.
The #1 law of sw is that it's not a matter of IF you're found out, it's WHEN - make enough $ w/ sw for it to be worth doing, and you WILL be outted. If that is a nonstarter for you, then it's just not a good idea.
Sorry, anon, I don't mean to dash your hopes! Just want any girls who read this and who happen to be thinking about getting into camming/sw to understand that it's a big, permanent decision. If you decide to do it, research as much as possible to understand exactly what you're getting into!
Agreed. Sex work is not and will never ever be empowering.
“Prostitution is not on par with a job, it is one expression of the sexual hierarchy called patriarchy. Does a wife who fears divorce but hates her husband consent when she has sex with him to avoid his anger or abandonment? Surely, we see this question with enough nuance to surpass the anemic legal standard of consent. What would you say to your friend if she told you this? But when the same survival dynamic underwrites prostitution, we immediately jump out of the ring where we struggle against patriarchy and position ourselves alongside liberals by shifting the issue from one of sexual hierarchy to labor-process. The field is abandoned to patriarchy, and feminism is subsumed (again) into workerism.”
Idk…I find my bank account balance pretty empowering!
Feminism is dumb.
Why "versus"? They're not exclusive. Plus, you actually can't make serious $ off looks alone (how could you? There's thousands of hot girls giving it away for free) - you can only make the big bucks by being hot AND interesting (ie. smart). A lot of non-swers assume the former.
I'm sorry you derive your entire self-worth from what men think of you! Hopefully one day you can learn to transcend that.
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>>106241>I'm sorry you derive your entire self-worth from what men think of you! Hopefully one day you can learn to transcend that.
Not getting that women using their bodies for sex is never smart and completely dependant on men's self-worth of them, but okay. I do just fine in a career where i don't degrade myself for money and actually use educational learned skills.
Anon why would you hate on prostituted women themselves?
Hate the industry, not the victims in it.
There's a difference between a young girl forced into prostitution because she has no other option (a lot of girls start underage and are forced into it by family or a pimp finds them) and anons itt, most of whom chose to be prostitutes because they have zero self worth, think that being degraded for cash is empowering, and will never understand that most girls who are prostitutes are not empowered but continuously abused, trafficked, and killed. I have nothing but sympathy for these young girls, and I actually devote a substantial portion of my time outside of school and work to bring attention to human trafficking and help victims.
For every ~empowered feminist sex workers~ anon who thinks being a hooker is empowering there are 5 underage girls who got beaten by their pimp because they didn't sleep with enough men, whose murders go unnoticed because they're invisible in the eyes of the law, who will never get to live a real childhood nor have a healthy and stable future. Any anon here bragging about her bank account is not
a victim, in my opinion they're actually making it worse for the girls who are really victims
Fucking T H I S. I'm an ex-prostitute and I have these fucking conversations with privileged "SWers" constantly. I honestly couldn't give a fuck if all these women had to live on the dole forever, if it meant no one was ever trafficked or coerced ever again. They refuse to accept that normalising the idea that women & girls can be bought for sex - and that it's actually an empowering thing - increases trafficking exponentially, because that would mean doing something else with their life. It's pathetic and I have absolutely no respect for it. When you say that, then the sob story comes out - kicked out at 16, drug problems, poverty…and you're like congratulations, you're actually lying about fucking strangers to survive because you're so desperate to tell yourself that what you're doing is okay. Sperg but this subject is sore for me, and anons like >>106207
can fuck themselves.
I'm so glad you were able to get out. It's incredibly disheartening when I tell someone that I work with an organization who helps get women out of prostitution and they tell me that I'm anti-feminist and hate women - once I was told that I wanted to "erase female identity." In my opinion nothing is more erasing to an identity than basically not existing at all like so many of these girls. There's a reason why so many serial killers took prostitutes as their victims. It's always very sad to see some of the girls come into the center I work at looking to get out but they never fully do because that's all they know, and the relationship with their pimp is the closest thing to love they know. It's so hard to quit once and for all.
If you're interested in helping other girls like yourself get out (or even just providing some sort of support) you should definitely look into volunteering with an anti-trafficking organization or center near you. A lot of the girls would really benefit from hearing from someone who was once in the same place as them. A lot of them are all-female organizations made up of the best and kindest women I've ever met, they would definitely not out you or anything if you're concerned about that!
First off, thank you so much for doing something to bring awareness. Human trafficking and sex trafficking seems to be a subject almost never touched upon. I didnt know it was a thing until after i got out of high school and did my own research because i hated porn so much and needed to know more.
People who WILLINGLY because hookers and strippers are in such a first world mentality, that they cannot fathom a situation where other women are forced into that life style, addicted to drugs and alcohol to escape it mentality. It's so sad and i've watched only two traffically documentaries that have made me cry. It's inhumane. A Lot of those women and children die and their voices are lost because there are so many, especially in Asian and Eastern european countries.
There will never be anything ~~empowering~~ about sex work. It's sex slavery.
It is sad that so many of those women cannot mentality escape and that is reality of sex work and it's codependency. Most women need it for money and most are so messed up mentality that they can't get out even if they wanted.
It becomes so dangerous for them. Anyone telling you that you are anti women/feminist because you want to tell women they need to be more than sex workers is wrong
Human trafficking is, imo, at crisis levels around the world but especially in the US. There is little known about the exact statistical gravity of the situation; the estimates on how many people are trafficked into
the US yearly range from 30k-170k, and this doesn't include citizens trafficked within the US. Most stats are really outdated. The legal definition of trafficking is very vague so the actual number is likely much larger. And the issue is incredibly severe in the Philippines.
Do the children in this video look empowered to you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0yuV0XEz98
ex sw here too.
I'd prefer women to be on welfare for the rest if their lives than ever having to work in this horrific fucking industry
You think corporations care about their workers? They don't give a damn, you are worth as much as your skillset, just like in sex work you are worth as much as your looks.
It's just the same thing, different measuring stick.
But I have always wanted to know, does sex work screw someone up in relationships? Do people just lose interest in sex completely because they now associate it with work?
>>106928>You think corporations care about their workers?
They are legally obligated to 'care' in certain respects, and if they don't, you have employment lawyers to care about you instead.
And yes, a business sees employees as roles and dollar signs (like we see them as pay cheques), but people who employ you are still people. I've been lucky enough to have good managers who certainly care about us, HR and higher ups are never happy about making people redundant. The way management see their staff, or the CEO views his workforce, is completely different to the dehumanizing perspective men have on prostitutes. I'll take neutrality and focus on the bottom line over someone thinking my body is his to buy any day.
people die from anaphylactic shock from tampons and die from food poisoning. And people don't even get paid to do that.
People have jobs as soldiers, and miners and divers where you can die.
I fail to see the point you are trying to make.
>>106937>dying from tampons
Are you fucking seriously trying to compare using a tampon to getting paid to be raped?
>People have jobs as soldiers, and miners and divers where you can die.
And you can die from STIs, being beaten, and from unintended pregnancy. Just because other jobs are bad, doesn’t excuse this one. Of all the jobs you list, prostitution is the least vital.
Again, what other JOB requires you to put something potentially diseased in your body, sometimes painfully so? What other JOB has people putting diseased things inside them FOR MONEY? J-O-B.
>>106942>getting paid to be raped?
>Of all the jobs you list, prostitution is the least vital.
Well get to work stopping it, you've got lots of work to do.
>>106937>anaphylactic shock from tampons and die from food poisoning
fucking kek anon, those are freak accidents.
people die in car crashes so what's the harm in sex work, amirite?
>>106943>getting paid to be raped?>seriously?
Yes. If they wouldn’t consent to sex without money then they are being paid to be raped. Those who are trafficking or pimped don’t want to be in prostitution and they won’t even get the money. That is rape by definition.
>Well get to work stopping it, you've got lots of work to do.
Yes, lots of ignorant people like you to educate.
It comes off like your suggesting that rape is only as bad as anything you'd rather not do, but are willing to do for money. The idea here being that plenty of us can handle fucking someone unappealing without it being any more traumatic than some heavy yard-work.
Personally I don't doubt in the slightest that sex work can be one of the absolute worst choices for even a short term temp job depending on the individual and their circumstances but the way I'm seeing this being presented is that if you're willing to sell your body you're not allowed to be happy with yourself.
>>106946>It comes off like your suggesting that rape is only as bad as anything you'd rather not do, but are willing to do for money. The idea here being that plenty of us can handle fucking someone unappealing without it being any more traumatic than some heavy yard-work.
Not my intention. And it’s more than unappealing. Life threatening, potential for injury, etc.
>Personally I don't doubt in the slightest that sex work can be one of the absolute worst choices for even a short term temp job depending on the individual and their circumstances but the way I'm seeing this being presented is that if you're willing to sell your body you're not allowed to be happy with yourself.
Not allowed? No. But the vast majority of people in prositution are trafficked or pimped. It’s not a stretch to say they are unhappy. Don’t believe everything to read on sex worker sites, interviews, or twitter. It’s advertising. People like Liara Roux in the first pic will have you think it’s all fun and joy. From experience, I can tell you it’s definitely not.
yes and womens eyes are being raped when they accept a date from an ugly guy to get a free meal.
Or when the girls go for a night out and have to put up with creepers to sponge free drinks off of, thats rape too.
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Idk if this is the right place to ask. If not, my bad.
Is Tigerlily Taylor aka Taylor White an escort? She's always travelling and I've been curious for a while. I've been following her but there's no indication besides all the travel.
I know this comment is months old but i hope you or any anon who has used manyvids can please give me a heads up on this.
I'm trying to see how much profit girls of my body type make on mv. I thought that for any video the shown number of views=buys but then i saw a girl that mentioned having "tons of views but no sales". But i don't understand what she means.
Do views=buys or does the website inflate the numbers by including rewatch/previews?
Views do NOT equal buys - nobody can see how many buys a vid has except the model.
Views only denote how many times people have clicked on a vid and watched its preview.
In a way, views have nothing to do with buys, HOWEVER, more views=higher MV score/MV rank=more traffic to your page, which usually results in more sales.
So if a model says that her vid has tons of views but no buys, that means lots of people click on the vid, watch the preview, and then don't decide to buy it, which could indicate that either the preview isn't very good (ie. Not converting to sales) or else the vid itself just isn't very good since nobody's buying it.
If you have any other questions, I am happy to provide advice! I check this thread regularly.
$1000 for a weekend is WAY too cheap, especially if you're not an escort! Don't ever consider meeting anyone for less than five digits, and even then I'd still highly caution against it.
Do you know this guy's legal name/address/occupation/family? Have you ran a background check on him? Do you have the money in your account BEFORE the meetup? If the answer to any of those questions is no, DON'T DO IT ANON!!
You can make plenty off the internet without meeting up with random guys - be smart and safe!
i got into top 100 kink earners recently, its never happened to me before but is definitely exciting. congrats!
onlyfans is pretty much only useful if you're promoting it other places like twitter or on a camsite, if you livestream as well.
long ass vent coming in, don't wanna post it in the general vent thread because so many people will hate it since it has to do with sex work
>be me, using MyGirlFund
>guy approaches, runs me through his "interview" to be his "submissive"
>we decide he'll start paying me $600 a month come mid-May to maintain a landing strip, let him pick my profile picture, and for me to pretend not to be using birth control
>He will also pay me for pics/vids/private cam shows come mid-May (when I'm done with school)
>he continues to chat me every day to "build a rapport" (fine, whatever) while not contributing anything to my fund
>be me, and not want to hold hours-long conversations with some guy every day for no money, but do it anyway because it'll be worth it in May
tonight he asked me if I would dye my hair for him for $200. I told him I could do it this weekend, and he was super happy. then I asked that he pay me half up front, since I'll be buying the dye and spending hours of time and effort to dye my long-ass hair. He gets butthurt, "I thought you trusted me, we've been building a rapport, don't act like you're more important than I am, it's my time and effort too"
I said yeah I like you, but I'm not about to alter my public appearance for several months on the "promise" of $200, when you've never sent me any money before, so I have no proof that you ever will. You don't seem like that kind of guy, but again, I have NO history to go on that I can trust you other than your "word." I have to protect myself, it would be a shitty business that does the work without receiving any money beforehand just because they have talked to the client 5 times and they "seem nice." usually I wouldn't do it unless I got everything up front, but I like you so I asked for only half as a compromise
he starts saying "now I know why you never live chat me first, you don't care about having a friendly relationship, you see this as more of a business, my sincerest apologies for misunderstanding"
I'm like "Bruh if I only wanted "friendship", I would be on a site where money wasn't involved. But I'm here. And I never live chat anyone first because I'm on my phone and don't check to see who's online. and I'm always going to prioritize talking to people who are offering me money. That's the nature of this site"
he gets pissed, says "point taken. look for me come mid-May" (I won't)
I say "feel free to reach out any time you want to chat :)" (actually don't though, I'm fine with not talking to you until you're paying me)
he immediately blocks me
hoping he never unblocks me lol. seems like way more trouble than he was worth. asking me to dye my hair and keep it dyed for a month before I would see a single penny for it. Like, it'll stay dyed for MONTHS without me having to redo it. you can pay me as soon as it happens. I'm amazed he thought a down payment was me "feeling far more important than him" like no, that's literally just me not knowing you and having nothing to go on and needing a little insurance. He was pissed he was "in the same category as every other guy." like bitch until I'm receiving regular contributions from you, YOU ARE LIKE EVERY OTHER GUY. you ain't pay me shit, I ain't do shit. good riddance
right? I feel a little foolish, but he has a 5-star rating and seemed genuinely excited to pay for content (I'm not making any new stuff rn so that's why he hasn't bought customs yet), so I assumed he would be good for that at the very least. But he's not going to be getting anything from me now.
If he live chats me in May asking to start our planned "arrangement", I'm debating telling him I mentioned his ideas (control over profile pic, pubic hairstyle, hair color, etc.) to someone else, they loved them, and insisted on paying me up front for the privilege to decide. petty, but if he thinks I'm gonna have any interest in doing stuff for him for a whole fuxkin month before I see a penny for it, I'm gonna throw it back in his stupid face. him pitching a fit over such a reasonable request has shown me that he really isn't
as trustworthy as he claims to be.
So I'm a patreon thot that shoots lewd lingerie sets and shit. I'm surprised how well it pays (2k USD minimum a month) for no nudes/no porn shit. Blows my mind for I'm not complaining.
I also speak to a few beta supporters closely, some of them daily (which is annoying because although a few a lovely, my higher paying ones are sometimes super entitled, whiny babies).
They usually send me an "allowance" monthly or weekly. This nets me around 300-800 a month from each one of them. Some of them are truly insufferable so I can understand why they need to pay a girl to speak to them but it's emotional exhausting.
I have a "real" job and also study at uni, and I've been saving most of the money I make (although a lot does go out to living expenses because I live alone)
I'd say in a "normal" month I make at least 2-3K minimum and spend around 1K on living expenses (I don't eat out EVER, cook the cheapest shit of all time, and I don't buy clothes or anything not counting new underwear or stupid thot outfits I have to "invest" in)
In 5 months I went from having under 100 dollars (shit living situation in legit poverty, alcoholic shit parents so I just left them because they were going to ruin my life If I stayed) to having 4K in my checking and 0 credit card debt or anything (I do have a credit card which I use to track expenses, totally recommend using it only if you can pay off 100% and this way you can see how much you spend).
Looking to move out of my shit place soon into a slightly better one in around a year (more so out of necessity, lease will be over then, wish I could stay in this shit hole to save money honestly).
If you're smart with your money, know how to budget, and can deal with the cancer that men are you can really make some decent money and not have to do any straight up sex things (unless you want to, your call).
I did try to do straight nude things without showing my face or normal locations I have never shown anywhere before and I did get a bunch of random money sent to me by men online and gifts, but I found it to be too much work for me to juggle e thot patreon, talking to betas daily, school full time, and working a "real" demanding full time job.
I can answer anybodies questions or whatever if you are wondering something.
It sucks ass tbh. It used to be a LOT better a few years ago. They take 45% of your earnings for the first $2000, and you have to "level up" to make 80% at most (after earning like 50k at least I would say. The final level takes $13k to reach from the level before it) and the guys pay at least 1.20 (at most 1.80) for one credit that sends you $1, which MGF takes their cut from. So they feel super entitled since they're paying more than they're sending to you, even though you're only making like half of what they paid originally.
I'm only on it because I have some good regulars who send me a fair amount of money and it's not worth it to leave yet. But honestly find a different website if you can. The interface is SHIT, it crashes all the time for everyone, they never fix the problems, the men are super entitled and expect you to chat with them for free forever while they jerk off to your profile pictures… just a sad place to start out nowadays. I've been on the site for like three years on and off.
Posts that are all just questions about stuff you can look up online are going to be ignored, nobody wants to spoonfeed an outsider, especially when it cuts into their market and might also lead to another girl getting way over her head in sex work because she thought it would be easy.
Talk about what you're already doing and then people might want to reply to you
I'm in a similar situation as the one you started from and damn, I'd do the same. I don't want to do nudes either, so if it worked for you that's great.
How did you start? Were you already a cosplayer? How did you get patrons?
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Lmfao imagine hanging out on a website bashing man and talkin about how women are superior to men while you have no skills and have to suck dicks for money.
It ain't gonna suck itself better get back to work(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
How? I don't think the same anons who are against the sex industry are working in it lmao. Maybe one or two, but far from all.
I've also seen conflict itt between radfem anons and sw in anons passing. Many anons in /ot/ even call the mh thread a containment thread for us, anons aren't all the same.
The only things we all have in common on this site are bitterness and vaginas.
Ok so I had a decent Instagram account already (built up to over 6K but under 12K naturally without any shoutouts or giveaways)
I decided to release “lewd” sets of some basic generic cute but sexy shit. Priced reasonably but not too cheap at first (around $25 price range)
At first I took photos myself with my iPhone, a cheap box lighting set I got online, a tripod-san/selfie stick, and a little clicker that allows me to take photos. It wasn’t anything high quality at first.
When I built up enough money and had more patrons I went and found a photographer to shoot me (who shoots me for free since he knows I’m not super rich or whatever, I know him personally now and he is a great guy, not a creep just a total professional overall. Make sure you find someone reputable with a good reputation and references if you want a photographer.
Don’t settle for a creep even if it’s for free.
he takes a lot of shots for me in high quality and fast (we shoot like over 400 photos at a time in like 2 hours max). It really helps having a professional because although I can shoot myself it is just much harder to.
Eventually I bought my own camera (refurbished/on sale) and I have my SO shoot me sometimes as well.
I do cosplay, but I never went from cosplayer to thot. I only really cosplayed for my own fun/at conventions but I do lewd sets based on cosplays. Not many people truly care about seeing great cosplays lewded unless you are incredible. You can chose a character you like and expand on a fantasy version of this character for example.
I think it is important to follow trends. You don’t have to do it all the time but it does help. Find/know what animes/games that are popular at the time and hurry up and put something together. At the very least if you have access to amazon and prime you can find a matching wig/some pieces for your “idea” very fast and for not too much money.
You can also try Etsy if you want higher quality add ons/props or want to straight buy a high quality cosplay but don’t stress about this.
I like taobao to mass purchase 5-10 outfits at a time for dollars (although the total haul with shipping usually costs me around 200 dollars, but this is for MONTHS of shit). The only downfall is shipping time is usually weeks at the very least.
You can be creative and not super canon if it’s not possible for you to do so. try to keep it interesting and offer different pictures for each tier. Post polls and interactive things for your patreon audience so they feel more likely to stay.
The most important thing in my opinion for leading a character is to have a nice wig/ hair/makeup , and to look clean. This is all fairly easy of course. If your makeup skills are not good/your skin is not perfect, then this is what photoshop is for. Don’t mass blur things out. It takes time but just remove blemish by blemish while keeping most of your skin texture if possible. If you cannot get contacts for the cosplay you can edit it in but keep it looking subtle/natural if possible.
Make your own characters too if you want! I have such a fun time doing this. It sells well too. Just make sure it’s animu like and it will probably sell once you have built up an audience
I posted earlier about having social media and networking with other girls. Usually girls are really kind and welcoming to anyone new, don’t feel scared to approach but don’t try to leech obviously. Comment on other models photos, make real connections with them and not some spam shit. They might notice you eventually and follow back and make sure to continue to build this relationship. It will help a LOT.
Try to shoot all of your photos for the month as early as possible so you can advertise. You MUST advertise a LOT or you will fail. Post daily if possible. Twitter is great, Instagram is also good but they might ban you (even if you don’t post anything dirty and just lingerie, which is annoying because I have seen straight up nudity or porn on there but whatever). If you use Instagram do not solely rely on this, due to possible removal.
I suggest selling a Snapchat as well as an incentive. I post a few times a week and post basic sexy photos. These are exclusive to Snapchats. Do not allow screenshots if you do not want your pictures shared. Scare people that purchase photos by having a legal disclaimer or something that says you can track downloads if they share. I can actually track each download because I use special links for each photoset I sell. If it is downloaded more than once or twice I can tell. Don’t be afraid to remove anyone you think will share or will share. I have never had anyone ever share my photos. I have seen requests for my photos on 4chan or other sites many times but no one has ever delivered. Have a DMCA takedown ready at all times for sites where you can get stuff removed from if you see it. Thankfully I have never had to use mine but I’m ready to do so.
Some random shit, sorry if it’s all scrambled but I’m on mobile and formatting sucks.
>ignore scrot posts
But anyways, I hate most men but I have no problem with the normal ones (few of them are ever normal).
Not only that, but I would say many SW I know personally (including me if you consider lewd shit SW) have actual things going on in our lives in comparison to the incels that try to harass us.
The funniest ones are the ones that tell me to “pay my taxes” when they don’t even know when the tax year begins/ends and don’t even know how to even do basic shit like their own taxes. I have paid thousands in taxes yearly and I laugh knowing that what I pay is more than their total income anyways.
They consume SW content and then bitch about it simulataniously. It seems like having a penis also makes it harder to have consistent blood flow to your brain.
How did you get screwed over? Did you give out freebies or something?>>112104
t. buttmad scrot>>112676
t. whiteknight cockwipe
Since it’s legal, the industry is HUGE. Every city center has a dedicated red light street (where small children walk in the day), and there are tens of thousands of sex businesses. So nobody really has to “force” any girls into the industry, and they cannot sign any contract unless they make sure that girls are consenting to give their “manager” a phone call as soon as they feel like they’re in danger. Technically, penetration is prohibited, so you can kick your client out if he tries too hard to force a penetration, although many girls just accept extra charge to do it. Most brothels and escort agencies have dormitories too where you pay around 20USD a day to stay in, which gets subtracted from your daily pay. For escorts, you can set your own shifts, as in you’re free to work 20 days a month for a long period of time, or just work 1 day and quit it if you decide the job isn’t for you by the end of the day. I think because it’s such a big industry, the treatment of girls is quite decent. That’s a part of the reason why I made the decision to sign a job as an escort even though I make much less than when I was doing it privately. >>115401
The pay is shit tbh. As I wrote above, penetration is technically a no-no, so I’d only get paid around 8000 yen (80USD) an hour. Most of my work time gets wasted on being “delivered” from client to next client, so let’s say I work 6 hours a day, I’d only end up making around 400USD which is not much. A different story if you privately accept extra charge from your client for consenting to penetration though, you’d typically ask for 50-100USD for it. So if you let them fuck you, I’d say around 100USD is what I’d make.
Even then, I’d say I’m on the “better” side in terms of pay. I work for a “high-class” escort agency (in a not so big city though) and I never get a break between each customer, so no time is wasted on waiting for a client that would otherwise have been spent making money servicing one. However that is not the case for most girls.
I’ll probably be switching to a job in Soapland, which is a type of a brothel where penetration is allowed (legally grey). If I work for a brothel, I’d be wasting much less time on transportation, and penetration is allowed so I’d make the double amount of what I currently make working as an escort (asking for extra charge for penetration can be bothersome as fuck). That way, I’d make much more money per hour. It’ll have to be in a different city though.
When I was doing the whoring thing privately, I’d get “sugar daddies” off of an app, and ask for around 500 USD for a fuck which is quite huge, but trying to search them around was a hassle and there wasn’t really any limit on time so I just quit it. There have been multiple offers for “monthly contracts” where I’d go on a date and fuck them 3 to 4 times a month for 2000 USD a month, but I have autism and I’m not the type of person who can “go on dates” and keep them in touch over text messages so I had to decline such good offers.
damn this is interesting. can you tell us more about Soapland? do you know anyone personally who works there?
I remember the sheer amount of love hotels in the cities I went to and was startled at how big the industry seemed. also yeah do you frequent the love hotels much generally?
(random dumb question: do they force you to do karaoke with them and shit? and order the outfits/seifuku etc.? just curious)
>>117288>I was a stripper for a year but just couldn’t handle the abusive customers anymore and men trying to sexually assault me
I'm sorry anon, this work will be the same, maybe worse. Prostitution is never going to be safe.
Don't you have any other options?
>>117846>hide a friend in the closet
wtf, do not do this. go to a hotel
. i cannot stress how important it is to go to a fucking hotel. even if you have to pay a little, go to a hotel, not a motel, a hotel. have him pay and have him leave first.
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Who said Taylor White (tigerlilytaylor) comes from money? In her vlog she "goes home" and it def doesn't look swanky at all. I'm just super curious. I'm lowkey obsessed with her she's so cute.
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That seems REALLY small considering how fucking popular she is
A lot of sex industries don't let the people (women) who are the only reason it exists actually profit from it
Hell, I'm positive that only 0.05% of the people ITT have seen her videos, yet at least 30% of us can recognize her and what she does/did for a living
I want to be mad at women like Kim Kardashian just for being paid to be popular, but hell, more women should be doing that
I'm not saying she was exploited any worse than anyone else, but I mean they dressed her up as a racist fuck doll–she's probably still in the top 10 porn stars around the world, but she made $12,000 total (while the people who filmed her are probably still making money using her image)
That's beyond the point because it's still her face/body that's on camera
And how is she going to go back in and capitalize on anything if there are no specific industry captains that allow the women who star in their films a significant cut of the money they make or at least a specific percentage?
The system is broken, so telling someone to make money within the system is just an answer that doesn't work