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No. 460616

This thread is for the discussion of transgenderism / trans ideology from a gender critical and radical feminist perspective. It was originally created by Admin as an amalgamation of the TERF and Transgender threads.

Gender critical and radical feminism define gender as sociological (feminine/masculine) and sex as biological (female/male). Woman is defined as an adult human female. Radical feminists seek to abolish gender as it is used by patriarchy to oppress women socially, reproductively, and financially. They strive to preserve women's spaces (such as restrooms, locker rooms, and health care providers) and areas of artistic and intellectual expression separate from men.

Trans ideology posits that one's gender is self-determined based on one's feelings and defines woman as the characteristics and behaviors traditionally ascribed to females by society. Increasingly, transactivists are conflating gender and sex and asserting that a person can self-identify both gender and sex.

Gender critical feminists strive to maintain the distinction between gender and sex. The conflation of gender and sex erases the biological reality of women, eliminates women-only spaces, and disestablishes women as a protected class. Existing laws and legislation currently being passed around the world allowing for self-identification on legal documents do not differentiate between gender and sex.

The acronym TERF (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminism) is used primarily by transactivists and their allies to denigrate radical feminists and other women who express gender critical ideas. Transactivists portray TERFs as violent oppressors by virtue of their ideas alone.

Posts of related news and web articles are welcome. Posts of photos, videos, and blogs of transactivists for the purposes of discussion and critique are welcome. Please refrain from derailing, infighting, and ad hominem attacks. This thread is not intended for the general discussion of feminism, sexuality, misogyny, or misandry.

Radical Feminism thread >>>/ot/373459

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http://www.4thwavefeminists.com (404)

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Pique Resilience Project

Documenting violent crimes committed by transgender individuals
This Never Happens

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Elly Arrow
Magdalen Berns
Cathy Brennan / Ally Missandry
Dr. RadFem
KORADFEM Radical feminism in Korea
Tanith Lloyd
Julia Long
Meghan Murphy
Posie Parker
A Woman's Place

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Feminist Struggle
Nina Paley / Mimi and Eunice
Red Katherinee
Sandy Draws Badly
The Snowflake Books
The Untameable Shrews
Woman Adult Human Female

Previous threads
>>>/ot/221232 01
>>>/ot/231926 02
>>>/ot/248302 03
>>>/ot/267773 04
>>>/ot/281458 05
>>>/ot/296475 06
>>>/ot/312419 07
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>>>/ot/429238 18
>>>/ot/441471 19
>>>/ot/448777 20
>>454392 21

"TERF" thread >>>/g/67378
"Transpassing" thread >>>/ot/214811
"Trans women" thread >>>/ot/203215
"Crazy trans lesbians?" thread >>>/ot/116018
"I hate the way this website treats Trans* issues" thread >>>/ot/113748

No. 460621


Did you miss Admin's announcement? We are no longer allowed to have a GC-only thread.

I am the usual OP and had the updated OP for #22 ready when she made her announcement. I asked in the last thread if the OP needs to be rewritten to be Feminism General.

No. 460626

What? When did that happen?

No. 460628

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I wanted to get input from other anons about rewriting the OP, but the thread filled up with a debate on sex work instead.

No. 460630

Sooo, we are radfem now? I mean, radfems sure are GC but GC is not necessary radfem, this seems like it is forcing a particular point of view on us.

No. 460634


That was my exact point in >>>/meta/11245.

No. 460636

I don't even know who that is. Why would it be funny?

No. 460637


And OP pic is not funny nor appropriate for whatever the fuck this thread is about now.

No. 460639


Yesterday an anon was posting Braco pics in every /ot/ thread and created a Braco thread with the same pic.

No. 460641

There's a big difference since RF thread gets into way more academic discussion while GC focuses on laughing/cringing/screaming at troons.

No. 460642

This is actually so retarded why? This will just create derails. And this bitch really said “problematic” lmao this is libfem conspiracy!!

No. 460643


According to Admin it all goes here now, so I need to rewrite the OP.

No. 460645

This is certainly an extra issue. So I can't post GC opinions if they are not radfem here? Do I have to agree with radfem to laugh at troons now?

No. 460646

>Feminism General
But there's dozens of different branches of feminism? Are we going to have lipstick feminism in the same thread as ecofeminism and radical feminism? That's gonna be a mess.

No. 460648

It's not even feminism general, which would be bad enough (not that I have an issue with feminism, just its forced inclusion in GC), but radfem in particular. It creates the concept of radfem and GC being linked and even one and the same, that is ludicrous!

No. 460649

Dumbass question, but why ARENT we allowed to discuss politics in /ot? I get that it can cause arguments, but isn’t that kinda just life? Even when just laughing at trannies anons often argue with each other

No. 460651

>being linked
They are linked though. GC originated from radical feminism.

No. 460652

Gender critical as a philosophy sure, I was talking about gender critical the general, which is very much its own thing. I liked our little culture here. I also liked the rad fem general, mixing them up will ruin them both.

No. 460653

There should just be a politics general, it would solve everything and if anons wanted to talk about politics they could go there.

No. 460655

Imagine if we had libfems screaming about everyone being transphobic in the thread

No. 460656

Admin's reason for locking the RF thread:


>It attracts too much political infighting on the board overall.

>I took the advice of your own moderators for those threads so this isn't my sole decision.

A thread that was created six months ago at the request of anons who attended the town hall and which has been so slow most anons probably didn't even know it existed is somehow responsible for attracting infighting all over the board.

No. 460659

>Radical feminism is political
Ya don't say?

No. 460664

There was radical feminist discussion and sympathising with radfems on this site long before that thread was created. A lot of women weren't even really involved in feminist activism, I think they were just getting sick of troons or mainstream feminism.

No. 460667

It’s allowed to have Kpop Crit, Kpop Gen and a damn Kpop dump thread. But can’t have separate threads for distinct political
discussions on grounds of being “problematic”. They are literally blaming political infighting on existence of political threads, instead of you know, simply that the user base itself has brains and opinions with which they use to agree or disagree with one another. Is this the ~radfem solution~ Admin been brewing up??
Lolcow truly wants to be a spineless nonoffending hive mind that women spaces are allowed to be.

No. 460669

I'm so frustrated and need to vent. My local lesbian club just closed.

I joined it about three years ago, and it was a great weekly club where local lesbians (and some bi women) got together and watched movies or went to cooking classes or just hit the nearest bar and had a drink. Great way to meet new friends, and I loved finding so many local gay women.

About a year ago a TiM joined. It was just one TiM and he was on HRT and made some attempt to pass, so although it wasn't ideal I kept going, because other than him the club was still fun. Then he brought a friend, another TiM. And then more friends. And it got to the point the club was 50% men in dresses.

They started talking over the actual women in the club, saying they didn't want to watch movies or go to particular clubs, and accusing the club leaders of transphobia when they weren't allowed to basically demand what we did each week. They always wanted to do spa visits (and since we usually pay our own way for things like that it was expensive) or do make-overs on each other like we were all suddenly 12 and having a sleepover. A bunch of women in the club don't even wear make-up.

More and more real women started to just drift away and stop attending, and I started doing the same. I'm still on the club newsletter though, but I haven't been to a meeting like 4 months. Just got the news the club is officially ending because of "lack of participation." In other words, TiMs infested it and killed it.

Why can't lesbians have anything?

No. 460676

All lesbian events are infested with troons. Even gynecology has to be inclusive of troons now.

No. 460677


As did I. I've been active in this thread since the beginning and value the community we have created. I come here to share and commiserate with anons who are on the same page about GC, not endlessly debate sex work and other topics.


Apparently now this thread is supposed to serve as a containment thread for all feminist discussion and debate because talking about feminism is icky or something.

No. 460684

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Have any obgyns had any troons come visit them yet? What would go on? Even if he did have his penis cut off and replaced by a hunk of tissue poorly sculpted into whatever labia he obsessed over most in his porn addled brain, what the fuck does the gynecologist have to even do with that? I imagine a nurse can address wound care. Do they just sit quietly?

No. 460685

>Apparently now this thread is supposed to serve as a containment thread for all feminist discussion and debate because talking about feminism is icky or something.
Greetings from /leftypol/

If it makes you feel any better the wind has been taken out of the trans sails too, I'd imagine that some democratic party strategist has realised that the identity politics coalition strategy is a losing one against trump

No. 460686

I remember a post on /pol/ (yes I know) about one who had a troon come with "cervical cancer". It apparently had gotten cancer in the part of its genitals that were grounded into the meat that made the inside of its vagina. He did what he could, but there was so much necrosis and sepsis, that his whole team basically gave up and the troon died.

No. 460689

maybe we should colonize c.c

No. 460690

>Apparently now this thread is supposed to serve as a containment thread for all feminist discussion and debate because talking about feminism is icky or something
I didn't say that but enjoy strawmanning.

Have an issue with me sugar coating things and calling it "problematic"? Well, insufferable is a more fitting word. If you have an issue with it go to /meta/. Pink-pill is still around and the radfem thread was really about how much of a radfem nobody is.

Oh and have fun with the conspiracies while you're at it!

No. 460693

I believe it! What levels of delusion.

I read here it was infested with transes.

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No. 460695


You did say RF discussion belongs in this thread which makes this thread the RF thread, does it not? And the motivation behind this decision is eliminating political infighting elsewhere on the board, correct?

No. 460697

> Please post in gender critical instead for the time being.

This is not a permanent solution to cutting down politics.

No. 460698

With all due respect, radical feminsm and gender critical are not the same thing. Please reconsider, it will completely change the culture and expectations here.

No. 460699

so? there's probably more people that post in these threads than the whole site, it's pretty dead now

No. 460701

the OP of these threads seems to think so. they need a clear cut. i don't give a shit about any radfem politics, i just am not a science denier.

No. 460703

Yes this is about the letter going out from NHS or something to remind them of their pap tests. Dispicable. I remember there were tweets from troons laughing about it.
That's what I mean, this is bananas.

No. 460706

What these retards don't understand is they still have a prostate and are not called for that check up, but they still laugh about being treated as real women uwu. When they get cancer that could have easily been prevented they won't be so happy.

No. 460707

I even agree with rad fem on a lot of things and don't like this merge. I want different places to post about gender roles being bullshit and another one to laugh at troons.

No. 460708


This. Look at what happened to the end of the last thread. Anons don't come to the GC thread to debate sex work and child labor.



>This thread is not intended for the general discussion of feminism, sexuality, misogyny, or misandry.

No. 460709

sorry, that's what i meant, that the OP thinks so too. my bad.

No. 460712


NP, anon!

No. 460715


If this decision stands even temporarily, the OP needs to be edited to reflect that.

And Braco needs to BTFO.

No. 460716

>This. Look at what happened to the end of the last thread. Anons don't come to the GC thread to debate sex work and child labor.
You know /leftypol/'s gender and race thread could do with some mature hands
Right now it's incels and trans having a shitfight about who's the bigger victim

No. 460717

god these threads (pink pill and radfem) are cancerous.

just fuck off somewhere else. I can't even go on /ot/ without someone sperging about how they hate men.

No. 460720

>Implying there is anything whatsoever wrong with that

No. 460721

i agree, i'm really sick of these spergs. you can't even have a conversation anymore about anything.

No. 460722

no one cares how much you hate men, but still seek the validation of men everywhere Sarah

No. 460726

Men the class and men the individual are different things. Not that men the individuals are not typically terrible and need to prove themselves not being trash before I decide to devote any amount of time or effort on them. I do the opposite of seeking validation from them, they do from me.

No. 460727

go back to reddit faggot

No. 460729

>go back to reddit faggot
>Realizing who your oppresors are is reddit
cute, did you come from Kotakuinaction?

No. 460730

men are not a class you idiot.

No. 460734

not everyone who disagrees with you is a nazi you apple titted cum smear

No. 460736


Try C.C. Your type is more comfortable there.

No. 460737

how many more threads does admin have to merge before you see that manhate/radfems are what isn't desirable here.

No. 460739

You should go to C.C.

No. 460740

I wonder if they even notice?? Like are they too stupid to notice that actual women just go away and they're left with each other?

No. 460742

if everyone other than the radfem/pinkpillers including admin should "go to c.c" don't you think that something is amiss?

No. 460743

Yes they are moron though I agree I just wanna laugh at troons here and not read people's idiotic fights over radfem theory get a fucking tumblr blogs if you want to do that

No. 460744

Don't respond to the scrot bait, anons. You can tell it's our usual scrot because he still hasn't learned how to sage. Just report and move on, he gets off on you guys insulting him.

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No. 460747

I get it half of you are probably ex-aidens and cg libfems and you learned how to interact with people through tumblr's fucked up political space but could you autists please, please learn away from the libfem identity and purity politics? I'm probably the biggest manhater here, I had to stop avoid pink pill threads because they made me rage too hard, but here's the thing: Sometimes you can shut the fuck up about it! You can have other interests and talk about something else than politics and drag it into everything. Sometimes you just wanna laugh at troons and have some light gender conversation about it without bunch of spergs fucking up the thread about in fighting abut prostitution

Go back to tumblr

No. 460748


Tinfoil, but the timing of the last thread being overrun by a debate about SW right after the RF thread was closed and now this thread devolving into infighting is awfully convenient.

No. 460749

I'm so confused. Was PP thread nuked too?

Can RadFem and PP thread be combined and leave gc so the conservatives aren't triggered?

No. 460750

we can't have any light conversation on /ot/ anymore. everyone is too hateful now. even the dramu boards, which are about making fun of people aren't this fucking salty all the time. and it seems everyone's opinions are so polarized and you get called a handmaiden/scrote or radfem/manhater for having any opinion that's not extreme. i think that imageboards are poison for some people, especially people who likely have little going on in their lives. and those people are poisoning the rest of the site.

No. 460753

>not caring about radfem shit means you're conservative

please, anon.

No. 460756

Well whatever.
Do you not see the point?

No. 460761

Let's get back on topic, I want to laugh at troons.

Has anyone else noticed how many of them are beggars or grifters? I get lots of GoFundMes retweeted on to my Twitter timeline and I've started to play a little game where I click on the bio of the person who linked their GoFundMe. It's always a troon, 10/10 times. And usually the GoFundMe page itself starts with the same spiel "I'm a poor mentally ill transgender demisexual disabled octopuskin uwu…"

No. 460762


GC is not RF, and RF is not PP.

And the PP thread is still open.

No. 460763


But arguing over feminism is on topic now, anon.

No. 460765

Someone pls post an ugly tranny for me to laugh at, cackling at their delusions and widows peaks is what brings me joy

I’d fall under radfem but I really don’t want heavy shit clogging up the thread that always guaranteed a laugh, why are these two being mixed - I don’t know about you anons but surely discussing the disgusting and violent behaviours of men and radfem go more hand in hand than being horrified at inverted cocks, why wasn’t radfem put in pink pill

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here you go anon

No. 460767

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just dumping some classics to calm everyone down.

No. 460768

Sorting Reddit's Transpassing sub by controversial is my favorite source of prime tranny cringe.

No. 460769

Why the fuck was the board locked to begin with it was barely even active, theres been like 50 posts in the last 2 weeks how is it so 'problematic' lmao.

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No. 460771

I think it might be their misogynistic belief of women getting things free in life, so because they’re ‘cute girls’ now they’re entitled to handouts

I knew a troon who always demanded that his meals be paid for and he got the return customer stamps during the weekly restaurant get together, fucking awful - the worst part was that people went along with it! Even when he admitted that the reason he couldn’t afford it because he bought himself lingerie or some other fetish shit!

No. 460772

After serious consideration, the Admin and mod team have decided to move GC threads to the Pink Pill. Discussion of gender issues will go there from now on.


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