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Holly BRown is a bad artist, YouTuber, webcomic author, and fujoshi popular with edgy children for her "no bullshit" attitude despite not accepting any criticism.
She believes she's known for two webcomics:
Purgatory, her oldest and worst comic, about two gay teens in a cult with lots of rape: https://tapas.io/series/Purgatory
Paranormal Plague, whose most-drawn character hasn't been introduced, with rape DLC: https://tapas.io/series/Paranormalplague
She also wrote Chroma Prince, a Patreon-only NSFW yaoi comic about alien sex slaves. She only did 4 pages before shutting down her Patreon.
She's actually most known for ranting about the CalArts admissions process being unfair even though she was DEFINITELY accepted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB90iDxOcIg
WEBSITE (currently deleted): https://www.hollycbrown.com/
(LASER BUSINESS): https://www.instagram.com/razorlasercustoms/
(FOOT FETISH): https://www.instagram.com/feetfootstomping/
TWITTER (privated): https://twitter.com/HCBrownart
TUMBLR (currently deleted): http://bullshitshitpostmainaccount.tumblr.com/
In the last thread:
>Went silent for a while after San Japan, only posting new shitty redraws of Purgatory on her Tapas and the occasional Instagram post/story>Returned to Twitter, but her Tweets are locked and she put in her bio that she will block anyone who tries to follow her>Posted on IG how she is “busy” with work and packing Kickstarter rewards, even though no one has posted online about getting their items and Holly constantly lies about how much she works to get sympathy points.>Hinted at making new merch for her store, and later revealed that she’s making shitty mugs that no one asked for>Finished Purgatory, which had the most shitty climax and the most abrupt ending (but she still hasn’t sent out rewards)>Returned in a big way by posting two live streams where she cried about how her life is shit and threw a giant pity party for herself. Her stupid followers gave her asspats (and even suggested she go into sex work) during said live stream, and they also harassed a commenter who asked about $70 worth of merch from her Etsy that they ordered a year ago. Holly eventually acknowledged the customer by telling them to just open a dispute and she’d refund them. She has since put these streams on private.>Claimed that she’s working 3 jobs: The Disney Store, a coffee shop, and a Ford factory, though she is probably lying about the latter two and is only working at the Disney Store.>Got her Etsy shops suspended, and opened a new store on Shopify instead of trying to reopen her Etsy. She now has to pay $30 a month to keep her shop open.>Began uploading pages for the Purgatory Epilogue on her Tapas, even though it was a Kickstarter Exclusive>Made the new Purgatory books available on Amazon, even though she has yet to send out all the Kickstarter rewards, giving her backers a huge slap in the face.>Did a live stream on IG where she sat in her car of her work’s parking lot, complaining about having to work, mentioned how she’s purposefully doing s shit job to get herself fired, and talked about how she’s applying for a graphic design job. She ultimately didn’t get the position. She also confirmed on this live stream that she sold her laser after San Japan.>Went on a commission livestream where she rambled about how Inktober is a waste of time and supplies, how white people don’t like black fills, and about how much “Etsy sucks”>Made a video for the first time in forever, where she talks about making designs for pencil cases and makes a crappy design with art supplies and a rando cat.>Made a video about how to format comics in KDP, even though the process would be much easier if she wasn’t too stubborn to use Clip Studio Paint>Quit one of her jobs and announced she was going to make mental health tip videos on Skillshare in another attempt to get-rich-quick. She backpedaled after her fans told her it wasn’t a good idea, but she continued to ask her followers what kind of lessons they would be interested in for her Skillshare.>Made an announcement on her Kickstarter that if she doesn’t finish packing all the rewards by the end of November, she’s just going to refund the orders she didn’t get to. Her dumbass followers then commented that she doesn’t have to refund them and to just take their money as donations.>Uploaded Sketch Rambles Episode 2, where she talks about watching financial guru videos and how she has a Professor Venomous fetish with some hints of daddy kink. She also showed off her sweatshirt sleeves that were encrusted with snot and tears from her last streams.>Finally showed her books for Purgatory, but the cover matches up with the ones on Amazon instead of the ones on Kickstarter. It is likely that she had Amazon print the books, then she bought the Amazon copies to send to her backers.>Posted stories about her excitement that MCR is back together and is gonna go on tour, complaining about how she’s too poor to go, but then shows off buying the Shane Dawson x Jeffree Star palette.>Announced that she’s doing ANOTHER (the third) redraw for Paranormal Plague and she’s relaunching the comic in January 2020.>Finished uploading all the Purgatory pages on her Tapas, officially ending the comic. She then announced that she is now gonna focus on Paranormal Plague for the next 5 years, estimating that it’ll be about 15-20 volumes.>Posted on her story a comment that criticized her for focusing on making new merch and redrawing Paranormal Plague instead of focusing on sending out Kickstarter rewards that have been delayed for 8 months. Holly responded super passive aggressively and complained about how she needs a life outside of just sending out awards.
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…somebody knows what she means by that?
OP pic is perfect. >>888494
lmao welp. I guess I'm not surprised.
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FFS HOLLY, STOP WASTING TIME/MONEY ON MAKING MERCH NO ONE WANTS!
It’s not even Halloween season anymore! It’s like she can’t function if she isn’t making pointless crap. Can you imagine what she could accomplish if she spent as much time working actual jobs as she does trying to peddle her OC shit?
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Why is she selling this for free?? Especially considering how much she bitches about being poor as fuck
Someone in the last thread said she was diagnosed recently, but I'm not sure when.
She does alternate between wanting to do lots of projects and buy new things, and then feeling suicidal and like everyone hates her
It's now 10 USD. Either she noticed, someone told her, or she still lurks.>>888557
Her behavior is pretty much in line with bipolar, along with her sudden uptick and promising to get her life together. Bipolar can easily ruin your life if you don't keep it in check, she should get on a treatment plan ASAP.
I mean, even if you get diagnosed properly, no one can force you to continue taking your meds and get your prescription refilled, and like the other anon said you really need therapy to learn how to manage yourself.>>888638
She talks about it for quite a while, specifics start around 10:15. Some stuff I found noteworthy:
>Got diagnosed with bipolar I, but doesn't really understand the difference between I and II yet. >"idk I thought bipolar meant you were just super productive and then you wanna die">"for me mania just feels like just feeling very confident, I can't really tell if I'm really happy or manic">Mentions being worried she'll become "boring and shitty" from being on mood stabilizers>Chalks quitting her job up to her mania even though she was already diagnosed and now thinks it was stupid, she just couldn't stop herself.
I kinda buy her bender, dudes on Tinder hardly care that much as long as you're alive, have a vag and are willing to put out, and she's probably desperate for validation.
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She’s still planning to do it
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I’m sure she thought this was a cute idea but she technically can’t sell food right? I’m not entirely sure on how that works, even if it’s the powdered packaged stuff. But who would want food that sat for god only knows how long in her pigsty of a room?
>>888967>if she’s on the right meds, right dosage>implying Holly would proactively work with a psychiatrist to find the right meds over a long period of time>implying Holly wouldn't just go off her meds as soon as she thinks ~it's not working~ instead of trying alternatives
Unlike other anons I can kind of see a pattern of her getting hyper-focused on a new project (her animation, purgatory, the laser cutter, the printing press etc), then failing at it, becoming depressed, dropping it, vowing to change and repeating it. Mania isn't always the same, could also be a misdiagnosis but getting a diagnosis does not in any way mean you're going to get better, you have to make a sustained effort which Holly is historically bad at.
I have bipolar but its in extreme cases. I have to work and I have to deal with it stop excusing her behaviour some of you are morons really.(blog)
She has a giant fragile ego and as long as she's not punished for her idiocy she will never figure out how to be responsible. At the end of the day her family still supports her and gives her a roof over her own head, so she can still pretend she's better than everyone else until the rug is pulled out from under her.
Also I'm sure she's tried to scheme up how she could use her mental illness to get disability but figured out quickly that it's almost impossible for people who ACTUALLY need it to get disability, let alone a lazy brat intent on fucking up her life.
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New Insta story
while fucking up the road and windows. Yikes.
it's actually three point since the verticals aren't parallel, which is very suspicious since holly has never even once pulled off one-point perspective.
i mean all you have to fucking do is select which lines on a grid you want to keep as edges but usually she fucks that up so maybe this is just the first time she used a grid and where she moused it around to happens to be 3 point
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Holly finally making constructive use of her time and money???
the pass she's talking about is actually a membership if im not mistaken lmao. it doesn't mean she gets a free pass, it only means (if she were to pay it) she gets a discount on classes, life drawing sessions and workshops.
So she would have to pay 50$, and
then pay 10$ instead of 15$ in each session. So yeah im pretty sure she misunderstood.
There are people there to help the models and call time and stuff, but that's about it. I know the place I go allows some time at the end for students to critique each other but there's no teachers.>>889661
I just looked and I think you're right. With a membership it looks like you can submit art to their private galleries etc so maybe she'd be interested in that? But she should just save her money. Either way at least it'd be getting out of the house, improving her art and giving her the opportunity to socialize with people who share her hobby. She definitely needs some structure in her life.
This is a good idea for her. She'd really have to keep her mind open cuz from my experience, quite a few people underestimate the value of life drawing. And, drawing next to better artists in these types of sessions can definitely hurt your ego big time so idk how Holly will handle it.
I really hope she sticks to this but I guess we'll see.
Lol, my bad, I'm really not used to seeing anything slightly advanced from her.>>889607
Knowing from experience that you need to have at least some basic idea on how to study life models, I'm pretty sure she will fail hard, if she doesn't get any from of instruction on site. While I think she might've had similar classes in her college (could be wrong), I doubt she would bother applying techniques she deemed unnecessary an not befit of her "style".
I would see it as what gym membership is for some people - she will get the pass and never go afterwards, 'cause she already feels more productive.
Normally I would agree but it says on the website that payment is due every January so it is a fixed payment period.
In that case she would be better of just paying the $15 per session this year and see if she wants to keep it up before paying out for a membership and yes the membership just gives you a discount on the sessions. It's not an all you can eat type of deal.
>though that’s not saying that more exposure isn’t necessary or a bad thing
Couldn’t fix my previous post
That would imply she even still has her job. 10 bucks she quit the Disney store already and those other 2 jobs never existed.
Although there's a big difference interacting with customers who are just there to buy shit and interacting with people who share your interests. I don't think Holly should be spending and picking up a bunch of projects before the kickstarter is done, but spending 15 bucks a month to practice and talk to like minded people isn't a bad thing.
Seems like she and TD are friends out of necessity more than any other genuine reason. The only time we see her pop up here is when they stream together (which hasn't been in a while) or going to SanJapan together…
Speaking of SanJapan if they sign up and get picked again we'll no for sure their "lotto" system is fucked.
i agree that TD seems to befriend holly just for benefits like in san japan,
also, sorry for going back to the bipolar topic, but i recall her saying something around the lines of:
i was diagnosed with bipolar disorder but idk what's the difference between BP1 and BP2,
that makes it clear that it was a self diagnosis, a doctor would specify, i will tell you holly,
bp1 has extreme mania and bp2 has hypomania, which is the main difference at least. but i don't see any those of mania symptoms in her, she's never energetic and excited and jumping around and making jokes, she's always in the same mood of boring edgy suicide jokes and giving up on projects so fast, i agree tho that her depression is legit, het s.h scars are serious and i hope she gets help
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OMG that thumbnail. She STILL can't keep her character's eyes from being all lopsided. Her avatar looks like it has cockeye.
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samefag, just wanted to post the thumbnail image to further illustrate my point. I included an image of her old art in the original post.
Also, is it just me, or does her avatar look super squished? I can't tell if it's just an illusion from the lines in the background or if she fucked up so hard that she managed to make her character look like a hotdog.
I'll give her the benefit of the doubt on the diagnosis there - sometimes doctors won't tell you, or they'll tell you but not make it official.
AKA, it's possible she was just diagnosed with a bad doctor.
But equally it's not out of character for her to be self diagnosing.
She's still reeling on missing out on that money.
If she wasn't in such a rush to the next money making scheme, she wouldn't be in this position. And yet again, here she is. I'd be miffed if I lost out over a stupid mistake, anybody would be.
But even if she could access that money, she wouldn't be able to keep it for more than a day, so maybe it's just as well stuck in skillshare limbo than falling into her grimy hands to spend on dumb shit.
And I'm sure this is just what's accumulated over time. If she'd have access to and checked on her skillshare account for the income she was making, it would've been pissed away a long time ago. But she wasn't accruing money from it fast enough so she dropped it like a hot potato assuming it wasn't going to turn a profit fast enough.
So it's fine that her money is stuck in purgatory
12 min video telling people to not misspell their mail in payout forms like its not obvious lmao
at least shes self aware about not paying any attention to detail in her comics.
>low key blames skillshare for her fuckup. says its her fault but ends the video saying that HR sucks
>"i feel like comics in general are ignored online(???) because they take so much of work and a lot of people dont care about things that take work so they just dont do it"
>"honestly there's a lot of videos online of people who dont make comics.. giving tips about comics? and im like boy you dont make comics, if you dont make comics how are you supposed to tell people how to make comics, like, no"
yet, you wanted to make a mental illness coping class even when you dont know jack shit about mental illness.
holly literally cant go a single video without talking shit about other people.
>tells people to make different emails to get free months on skillshare so she can get 10 dollars everytime.
>says shes working 3 jobs still
saged bc samefag but I have skillshare so I checked her class on skillshare. here's the gist of it:
its 33 minutes total, format is just the same as her videos. voice over speedpainting
>introduction is her talking about having drawn and published +400 pages, how she makes a lot of comics and how she makes backgrounds faster
>first video is on patterns and tiles. its actually the same footage from her last video with a voice over of holly explaining how to use the transform tool in photoshop(lol), says you can dl her patterns and use them. Doesnt explain exactly how to make patterns, more like "hey you can copy paste this so you dont have to draw it twice"
>"why draw if you dont have to" and says that you may not want to use patterns for establishing shots because its for "boring backgrounds that are just so characters arent floating in a white space" all in all, it's holly not understanding how perspective works. the video cuts mid word which is just.. very on brand with the whole lazy vibe she has going in this class
>second video starts mid word because she literally just recorded for half an hour and cut the videos. its about nature backgrounds. "think of objects as basic shapes" very basic stuff. says to use brushes to make leaves, etc.
>last video is about buildings. the buildings she drew the other day are in fact in a 2 point perspective but she managed to fuck it up.Talks abotu being careful where lines are going as she incorrectly places lines
>"I just dont understand why you would potentially ruin a drawing with bad perspective when you have tools available to make it so its in perspective." oh the irony
>again. very basic stuff. how to make straight lines in photoshop (holding shift), explains different types of buildings, put more detail to buildings closer to the camera, add texture so buildings look lived on, etc
all in all, its a very simple class. theres a lot of her saying "dont do x" as she does it, and compared to other skillshares classes, its very unedited (a lot of "like.." and "umm", its very obvious it's one take. No live demo either, which im used to from other classes, so idk if this would actually be helpful to anybody new to comics.
It's insightful into Holly's mentality of quantity over quality, I think she believes she'll get 1700 for every class she makes, without taking into account her YT channel is not nearly as popular as it was back when she made her first class.
sry if i got any typos, eng is my second language
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Speaking of jobs…1/2
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What job could this be? Not the disney store obviously.
Some sort of warehouse?
Also, shouldn't you be wearing gloves at a job that involves box cutters/metal wires like that?
Yeah the box cutter isn't unbelievable, it's more how she's phrasing it/choosing to show it off. "idk i'm being injured at work lol don't think i'm cutting again or anything, pain is better than being annoying idk lol"
Again: Massive tinfoil
I Used to get scars from when I worked in food service from burns and the like all the time. (Yay for painful hot oil burns) she acts like one wittle boo boo is a reason to quit. She’s the laziest person I’ve ever fucking seen.
I literally had worse "scars" from papercuts in freakin' high school. I guess she so seldomly leaves her room, she doesn't even know what kind of daily cuts you get just from touching stuff.
"Sliced hands" and "injury" - just wow.
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Depending on where you live it's not required to have certification and clinics will train you up.
Also how many jobs is she going to try and claim she has??? She first said she quit one of her three jobs, then said she still had 3, now she's going for another interview?
the fucking foot again. holly, there are only 2 fans who seem to love your feet, so you might as well just msg them and ask if they wanna pay for pics, lmao. aka keith and that other guy who was really nasty.
i don’t believe her saying she’s both applied for and left this many jobs in so short a time/the past couple of months. maybe 1 or 2 were true, but it feels like she’s mentioned at least 10 places by now. wouldn’t it take a little bit of time for her to get past training, depending on the place? no one w/ 3 or even 2 jobs could post as much as she’s been doing either. it’s a blatant lie to garner sympathy from her braindead fans and cause those criticizing her or asking for their missing orders/money to feel bad, bc poor old holly’s working 3 jobs rn u guys!!! that’s why her bank account’s in the negatives!!
Projects, jobs she's had, claimed to have or applied for this year alone:
Laser business (now defunct)
Commissions (refunded most of them)
Amazon warehouse (fired for being late after a few days)
Graphic designer (quit after 1 week)
Graphic designer again (didn't pass interview)
Job with boxcutter/wires (maybe? could be from previously mentioned jobs)
Anything else I'm missing?
Yes and yes.
iirc she was also using uber to deliver stuff rather than driving people
From the email she showed in her story, it's because the class was just a super basic information you could get anywhere, like "hold shift to get straight lines.". This anon >>890452
even said that her class was just like one of her usual YouTube videos spliced into parts to make individual "classes." She's also just doing a voiceover with a speedpainting in the background, no live demo of her drawing backgrounds in real time.
Honestly, I don't think it'd be hard for her to review Skillshare's guidelines and just beef up her ideas a little more to add some educational value. But of course she thinks it's some whole conspiracy to fuck her over and she's most likely not gonna try again and move on to her next ridiculous scheme.
thats not even a fair comparison??? what do bullshit tablet reviews have to do with you making a lazy class and getting rejected lmao
gotta love how she blames skillshare for not paying her when she comes back 3 YEARS LATER asking for payment because of a mistake she made
This is literally the most stupid and useless posts she ever made. I actually can't believe she posted them like this, she sounds like a 13 year old teenager who hates their teachers 'cause "they expect me to do homework, but I really don't like it, it's too hard, waaah!"
So, let me get this straight:
- she gets sent a ton of tablets FOR FREE over the years and she ACTUALLY RESOLD THEM, not to mention made revenue with review videos, yet has the audacity to say "they paid her pennies for good reviews". As a reminder, she also fucked up the shipment of some tablets back in the day, butI'm SURE it's somehow the companies fault in her eyes.
- Skillshare gives you a platform to gain money relatively easily, as long as you are somewhat competent and adhere to some rather simple and self-explanatory guidelines - she fucks up her spelling, realizes it THREE YEARS LATER and blames them for having used the adress SHE spelled wrongly. But, because Holly has such a big and generous heart, she "gives them another chance" and releases a tutorial that is so lackluster and has less substance than any free YT tutorial you could find in seconds that probably some good soul reported it and it got taken down, 'cause they realized she can't be arsed to put any work into anything.
"Wasted my time I stfg"
Yeah, Holly, not only you, believe me.
She's like seriously short circuiting right now, positive reviews of tablets you were sent for free has nothing to do with making skillshare classes that don't suck????>>891028>>891029
What a depressing list. Most if not all of these are failures and there's probably even more we don't know about. How can she look back on this year and think it was productive and not a giant red flag of how unstable she is?
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who is she talking about? her followers never criticize her ever.
Skillshare (already giving up)
Purgatory Kickstarter (lol)
Laser business (now defunct, laser sold)
Foot fetish Instagram (quickly aborted after 2 posts)
Commissions (sporadic; refunds more than she actually completes)
Clever Kitchen animation/comic (re-purposed from school project; posted about like once on IG and never brought up again >>773191
Paranormal Plague relaunch (third time's a charm!)
2 unnamed day jobs (referred to in this thread >>757175
, couldn't find exact details, probably a lie)
Amazon fulfillment center (fired for being late after a few days)
Graphic designer (quit after a few days due to "panic attacks")
Uber/Lyft driver (quit?)
San Japan table (didn't break even)
Disney store (possibly quit?)
Coffee shop (may not have existed)
Ford factory (also may not have existed)
Graphic designer again (didn't pass interview)
Dental tech (interview)
Job with boxcutter/wires (maybe? could be from previously mentioned jobs)
She what? Oh, hell. She really has no idea how sponsorships work. She's bad-mouthed every goddamn company that's decided to slum it and make her an offer. She shit-talks her fans and customers, too.
She'll do anything to earn a quick buck, except be polite or advertiser-friendly for ten minutes.
But that’s the thing anon, conventional jobs trigger
her anxiety! Her depression! The mere thought of working a 9-5 made her want to die! How could you possibly suggest she act like an adult and work for a living?!?!?!?!? /s
I guess it's hard to face these facts, when the people she interacts most with (her retarded ass-kissers) are teenagers themselves. It's enough to look through a few comment sections on instagram and YouTube, none of them seem to work actual jobs themselves, so they validate her in her spoiled behaviour and bad personality.
Not even tinfoiling, it's pretty plain to see.
I definately wouldn't say freelancing is an option for her at this point. Sh pretty much destroyed her internet presence and it's easy to find out about her past blunders just by googling - if she still wants to do art, she should really start as some "nameless" person at a company or similar. It would also give her a lot more structure.
Not to mention, she just isn't good enough to be hired as a freelancer - the comissions are for her fans because they are the only ones who seem to care more for her, than the actual product.
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Just saw this and wtf, if you have to take a photo of your hand at least clean under your nails… and put some moisturizer on ew
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Screen printing ink, apparently.
In her vlogs you could regularly see cotton swabs on the floor and such.
She'd also walk around barefoot
Have you even read the past few comments? She keeps on expecting money for free, does as little work as possible while acting like a teenager and still keeps delaying Kickstarter books that were supposed to go out in MAI
Also, sage your shit
i keep asking myself this question.
well at least when she stops scamming people?
like with the current situation of the ks and dishonesty about spending that money, her condescending tone to everyone including her costumers and commissioners, and being a bad influence in general.
idk if that last post about her advertising cups with her dirty nails is nitpicking because, holly, there is no way in hell I'd buy that just because of your dirty hand.
but well, she's not even trying, just out of spite.
also sage your posts please, that would keep the thread lowkey dead meanwhile at least.
I think every update was posted in the previous threads, so dig around
Chroma Prince was such a waste of time, she never got to sex all we ever saw was one sad butt
Opening pages: >>>/snow/686056
(control+f "patreon" to find them easily)
Next they're on thread 14 >>>/snow/720739
(scroll down from the top, you'll see them)
What was her breaking point?
-The tracing controversy?
-Art YouTubers calling her out?
so, probably tracing - I think that was the point where she deleted everything?
I doubt she cared enough about the zine to take any measures
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Instagram story update
She makes it plainly clear she lurks here because none of her asslicking fans dare to criticize her. She rarely has anyone speak up to her in comments on YouTube because they get shouted down by her idiot followers. Hey Holly, since you’re obviously bothered by the comments here, why not take any of the legit advice we’ve offered on multiple occasions to better yourself and maybe you wouldn’t be in this hole you’ve dug for yourself. But that would mean canceling the constant pity parties you thrive on.
Nice Amazon books btw. How convenient they should arrive after you posted it up for sale there.
Honestly I do like Holly's art and videos, but it gets ruined by her stubbornness. She keeps trying to push out money making schemes, won't practice art fundamentals, and has other problems she refuses to fix.
Maybe I'm just soft
pretty sure she’s never actually cleaned her room when she said she would, unless her idea of “cleaning” is throwing away 1 thing and maybe moving some stuff around so that she can navigate around all the junk a bit easier. not like, y’know, hoarding less in the first place or being more organized, then moving on to actual
anyone else remember her workspace tour where she had some semblance of organization w/ her products in baskets and such, but then she’d turn the camera and you’d see all the shit covering her bed, desk, floor and the random stuff she never used, like an easel and a drawing horse just hanging out in the middle of the room? like wtf. she has a spacious bedroom, but it’s poorly utilized. it’s hard to listen to her complain about having her own space to do work while Proko was making amazing tutorials even when his studio was his closet sized bedroom back in the day.
Wait, she STILL hasn't sent them???
Holy heck, Holly, you sure take your time - checking the Kickstarter, quite a few people have taken their pledges back. Another few are contemplating if maybe THEIR books have been sent already, since they were even in the same state (Texas, methinks?). Either way, the mess continues.
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what's with all the shopping carts on her bookmark bar
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I’ll post some caps of the pages in a sec since I’m on mobile but I just want to point out that she has Paranormal Plague listed as a “comedy”… The only kind of comedy Holly is capable of making is the unintentional kind. Like the entirety of Purgatory as a comic.
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Drawing more lines on the arms doesn’t give him muscle definition Holly…
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Return of the paw hands.
She basically draws over her old pages because she thinks her “style” has evolved and can’t seem to understand that redrawing a page means rethinking pacing and composition. It’s not like her pages were particularly planned or worked fine to begin with so a proper redraw would have been nice and a good exercise for her.
Too bad she’s so convinced she’s good at what she does.
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It's been 2 years and she still hasn't looked at a reference long enough to figure out how to actually draw a buff dude.
it can be done like that, its supposed to help with flow but even then she places speech bubbles on the same side of two consecutive panels like in >>893516
so clearly that isnt working out for her lmao. But I dont get how she can see that the text is not in the middle of the bubbles and be ok with it
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Her backers are idiots if they believe her when she said she’s been shipping orders for a while despite JUST NOW getting these epilogue books…
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Holly has all the books on Amazon. Pretty clear indicator that she hasn’t done jack shit up until now. I want to know how she was able to afford to print them while being “so poor”.
Friendly reminder that the epilogue was supposed to be a Kickstarter exclusive.
Her fans are totally retarded.
lol seeing Simon's face on the cover, it's like he just remembered he left the stove on
It's so goofy
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>>893979>When you paid to have all these books earlier and get an exclusive book but see them all put up on amazon before you get your copy, which is a year and a half late.
Btw the quality of the covers on there is fried. Nice.
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Apparently there's a service by Amazon called "Kindle Direct Publishing" that allows you to order author copies for dirt cheap and also get ROYALTIES from your "print on demand" books too, or so I've seen during my quick google research.
I sure hope there is some physical proof of it being printed BY Amazon within the book, because let me tell you it would be so hilarious for backers to find a nice surprise in their overpriced kickstarter copies.
Yeah, you can order them and only pay for the print price. They take a cut from the sales on amazon, 10% iirc, and they also charge the cost of printing.
I dont think they have a 'published by amazon' or anything, the only tell is if the ISBN(the barcode) is the free one amazon gives you, but I believe holly bought her own.
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Maybe she's trying to knock out packaging every single order and shipping them out Monday? Kudos if she actually pulls it off, except it was supposed to be done 6 months ago.>>894006
She did say a few months ago that she was using their printing service for the kickstarter. But she also tried to blame them as to why the printing was delayed (pic related from several threads ago).
Wait, what? So she says the delay is because amazon sent the books all at once?
That.. doesn't make sense. Amazon doesn't get delayed for months. Not to mention, I can't believe she ordered them without asking for proofs first.
Why did she use the money from the KS to buy a printer then? the fuck
>>894157>doesn't make sense.
Because she was lying. It's pretty much confirmed that she didn't send shit to the printer until October, which is when book 1 popped up on Amazon.
>Why did she use the money from the KS to buy a printer then?
If you mean the laser, she bought it because a) she wanted it and b) because she made one of the stretch rewards a wood charm despite not actually physically owning the printer at the time. But mostly because she wanted it. Yet another extremely expensive impulse buy that she got rid of literally 3 months later, per her usual cycle of wasting money.
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Yeah she's definitely going to try and pack all 200 orders tomorrow.
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I'm sorry but this image physically hurt me to look at.
She's so stiff and one of her shoulders is too high. It makes her look like she's got her neck falling forward or some shit.
Ugh she's like a straight line, no normal human stands this way.
Way to go Holly, in all these years you haven't improved even a minuscule amount.
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Giving us a full shot of her storage- I mean bedroom
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Holy Hand Grenades really creeps me out
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She has a whole box of coke in her room?
I usually hate commenting her appearance (since her skills are already shit enough) but the haircut really makes her look like she's over 40 years old - her hair color has a slight grey undertone, that doesn't help>>894559
don't remember where Holly dumped the info that Reese is the vine monster they first encounter but yeah. I can't un-see it.
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The amount of times she keeps saying "I dunno" reminds me of this guy
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She's live on IG for anyone still awake/down under drawing MCR shit. She talked a little bit about her love life:
>has been with "lots of people"
>has been in love with "like 2 people for a week, then they annoyed me"
>"i fall in love with girls more easily if they make me laugh but girls are never into me"
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Some other shit:
>says she doesn't like dating because she has a problem with commitment(lol) but is DTF>still reads gay MCR vampire AUs>was asked if she likes lesbian fanfics; "of course but I have a hard time finding any that aren't gross" >STILL paying 60 a month for photoshop, claims she will be changing her payment today>doesn't want to sleep because she has an interview in the morning (which seems like more of a reason to sleep but ok) also needs to clean her room>finally looked at a reference since her Gerard Way doodles look nothing like him, sperged for 5 minutes about how feminine he looks and how pretty his eyes are uwu>mocks people who complain about plane rides, jealously, in the most obnoxious voice ever, then laughs at herself and says she's "such a bitch"
Tinfoiling, but my guess is she feels more "professional" if she pays for it, since that's pretty much what professionals are supposed to do (nobody bats an eye on students pirating these things, usually)
I might be missing something, but what is she doing now? I mean, yeah, she has PP (which doesn't generate anyincome), a few semi-ugly mugs in her store and a comic for sale which people who are not her fans are probably never going to touch.
My question, how is she earning money now? Didn't she abandon all her jobs now?
Umm anon don't you know she's super duper poor and wants to die every day because she has no money? Way to not be understanding of a struggling artist uwu
Honestly can't wait for Holly to move out and experience the real world but who knows if that'll ever happen.
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She said she has a google hangouts interview for another design job but remote this time and she needs to clean up her room "even more" for it…>>895020
She did. She said most of them are printed through Kindle (KDP) but "some of the older ones" were printed with another company that was too slow so she gave up on it. They all look the same and I don't know what she means, I doubt there are any that weren't printed through Amazon.
She also wasted 50$ on envelopes ordering a size too small without checking and had to repurchase them, so the shipping was delayed even further. She's sending the books separately from the charms because the wooden charms could snap under the weight of the books, so American customers will get two packages and International one with extra stuffing or something.
of course she did, we all know it. Which means the whole kickstarter was a sham, since she could have just uploaded the comic to amazon in the first place for free and let her fans get it directly that way, probably with cheaper/faster shipping too. She just made herself an unnecessary pitstop!
The whole point of kickstarting a print run is to be able to bulk order from a better quality printer for lower per unit price ffs, and not to use amazon's lowest quality possible POD for ripoff print pricess.
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According to her vlog she came out of San Japan -1000$ (not sure if she's exaggerating but hot damn if she isn't) and still said on stream she wants to do another convention, except alone and not sharing a table with Mitchie.
She roasts her comic constantly now that she has her printed copies, both in what I've stomached of the streams and her vlog all while shipping out the comic and having it for sale… for example, she never set a standard size for the font in Purgatory so it will randomly get larger.
She then proceeds to spoil the end of the comic to her vlog viewers so if any of her kickstarter supporters was waiting to read the physical books and watched any of her shit since pledging, tough titty
Oh and she bought some pierce it yourself piercing guns and she wants to do a vlog where she self pierces her ears to "look more like a girl".
lmfao that's gonna go well
of course she can't just have it done professionally like some NORMIE, anon, nope, Holly needs to buy and build her own piercing studio first, jup - seems legit.
Can't wait for the inevitable PP earring merch, we all know she ordered a shitton of earring hooks already and hides them somewhere.
She then said she wouldn't get a piercing at Walmart because that's too ghetto lmfao like her diy isn't.
Refuses to pay a lot of money and go into a tattoo place that "smells like wiener"
"I could be instagram famous if I had no soul. But I do have a soul and I wanna make things I care about"
I would feel bad for her crying on streams if she wasnt such a pretentious asshole
No way she’s gonna be able to do it imo, you’re taking a gun that stabs you, to your ear. She’s gonna need an iron will and a steady hand to not fuck it up. Not including the possibility of infection if she doesn’t properly sterilize the thing and clean her ears often.
I won’t be surprised if we see a piercing livestream sometime in the future tho
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This may be the fastest job turnover yet.
Slight sperg here, sorry.
A piercing gun damages your cartilage, because it “pierced” through impact using a relatively blunt object. A piercing studio will properly pierce your lobe with needles, and that will result in a cleaner hole, placed a lot better and A lot less maintenance.
In some places is even illegal to use piercing guns anymore, and tbh, having tried them both, I would be willing to spend a little more and having my body handled by professionals with minimum damage instead of trying to make a piercing gun work on myself.
Plus, if you really really want to pierce your ears yourself all you need is ice (or some other numbing agent), a needle and a strong will. No need to waste money.
As for san Japan, I can believe she went negative 1000, for the sole fact that she insisted in paying hotel and didn’t have that much stuff to sell.
To think she could have simply cleaned her house and stayed there with her friends…
Piercing guns are generally still used for the soft part of the ear, so technically I don't see anything wrong with guns - bsed on a quick search you get these guns for 10 bucks upwards on Amazon, so she might actually try to get the "cheaper" option here.
Of course, the idea is still moronic and she will most likely hurt herself and complain about the pain (if she never had a pierced ear before), so there's that.
Watch her give herself uneven piercings and then complain on her next livestream. >>895248
Really hope HOlly didn't rope herself into a MLM or something.
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She didn’t realize this was a bullshit scam from that email alone??? Jesus fuck Holly
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God this is so sad yet typical
She kept talking
about this well-paying job with so much hope and excitement only for it to end up a scam
The fact that they would've paid her 30 bucks per hour right from the get-go, while she has no credentials, portfolio AND them being some sort of T-Shirt shop, should've been obvious enough.
I mean, maybe I am wrong - depending on what "equipment" means, it could very well be they just wanted her to buy her own uniform, I think that's pretty standard?
The email is pretty spot-on, tho.
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i'm by no means a germophobe but that mouse is fucking disgusting
how do people look at her room and still decide to buy from her astonishes me, not to mention the snot covered sleeves and her constantly touching her dirty face and then rubbing her greasy fingers all over books that she's sending to her clients
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She…literally sells the books for a dime now. How can her backers not feel like they have been ripped off horribly, when they paid 32 bucks and up for the same books?!
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From her Kickstarter - it seems people are finally catching on that there's some foul play involved.
Hollys last update was in October where she stated she had "sent almost all the orders", so I hope more people will ask questions )it's obvious from her stream that it was her first time packing these books - having envelopes with wrong sizes, first time mentioning separated packaging etc.)
Literally everyone would be better off if they bought their copies on Amazon or, if they want them even cheaper, on her shop.
This is absolute bonkers.
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Buying more pointless cheap shit off Alibaba?>>895815
Anyone who supports Holly at this point dug their own grave. It's never been a secret that she's a scamming, money grubbing piece of shit, she outright admits it in literally every stream she ever does. If her moronic fanbase continues to give her money, that's on them.
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Holly is never going to end the cycle of buying useless shit no one wants and trying to hawk it on whatever storefront she isn’t banned from. I would feel bad if she wasn’t such an insufferable cunt.
I hope her backers wise up soon but that’s asking too much. The fact she’s never shown proof of her packing until NOW proves she’s lied the entire year about having shipped anything out.
Also said this for the idiots who are here who might look into this supplier. My last batch from this company I had a few that were chipped and snapped entirely and one design that was super pixelated even though my file was fine so be careful and do not go with them at all costs.
I don’t think Holly has actually lurked in a good while. I think she glances through but definitely doesn’t look very hard at the thread. She doesn’t care about her reputation anymore at this point.
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Maybe it because of the trademark Holly Brown smug face it has going on
It also reminds me of pic related, never forget
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I think it's a mix between the eyes not looking right and that dumb mouth expression. Makes it look less like a cat and more like something posessed by an evil spirit that will murder you in your sleep
Chinese bootleg Garfield staring at me this intensely is not what I expected from this thread today.
Also I wanna know how many charms she’s ordering are the ocs, derpy cats or something else outdated and ugly.
my fight or flight response every time I see him. He repulses me so much on a visceral level for a character who has had zero development and has never even made an appearance in the comic he's from.
For me it's the mouths, but it's also that creepy downcast stare they always seem to be making eyes at you. Very creepy, crooked eyes.
She's never drawn a cat in her life, but she insist on drawing the rudimentary symbols that roughly make up what she thinks a cat is.
Plus the cat face is just punchable anyway and she's put that dumb face on almost every oc of hers at one point or other.
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I guess it's because she puts this weird anime hybrid face on it, you know? Just like kids drawing warrior cat fanart. Like the separated eyes (not a full circle, it's what I mean) and triangular mouth. It doesn't help that Holly default's anime face is smug, either.
If she's going to symbol draw, she can at least do it in a way that are established to be cute.
Sorry for redrawfag, but those are such simple changes. Enlarge the eyes, make the mouth smaller and less anime triangular, get rid of tsundere tooth. I mean, it still look dopey as fuck, but at least it doesn't look like it's gonna bully me.
Give it up anon, there's no way to fix this eldritch abomination.
Now the cat just looks like it's seeing into the abyss and is slowly dying so you didn't fix much at all.
does she REALLY understand the concept of developing an IP before making tons of merch for it?! I swear to god, 5 new Reese pins lined up and nobody has even met that character yet.
Regarding the prints, she really talks like she is her own PR Manager, rather than the actual artist - she has no new illustrations, almost nothing of her comic or even sent out those goddamn orders (they are STILL sitting there, on her dirty floor) and yet she has a picture in her head on how her future convention table is going to look like - because of course, priorities, amiright?
…she has planned the actual tablecloth and shows the link
Probably because the ONLY thing we've seen him do is date rape someone. And it's even skeevier when you realize that's Holly's self-insert.>>896185>more cons despite having lost money both times shes tabled >not selling prints even though they're one of the biggest money makers at cons
I have never seen anyone so incapable of learning from their mistakes I fucking swear
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>I’ve learned so much from conventions!
Has only ever done one a year (San Japan) for the past two years. I don’t remember when or what the one before that was either.
I also can’t get over the amount of fucking boxes in her room. If they’re not empty and sitting there, then they’re full of unsent KS backer packages. Her space looks more like a warehouse’s trash compactor area than it does a living space.
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>boxes and boxes of blank mugs/ stacks of other shit seen in the video that will never sell.
>Kickstarter packages in random boxes strewn around the room.
Yea, it’s so clearly obvious she has her priorities in order. /s
The way she rags on that “scam” job made me lose it though. Even if it was a scam, her unearned air of authority on the subject of jobs made me want to punch my screen. I honestly believe she’s made up most of what she said to convince herself that normie jobs are all a scam and that art is her one true calling despite it NEVER working out as she plans. God she’s a fucking idiot.
>>896167>States she had financial trouble, because she HAD to help her family
She literally spent her whole Kickstarter money in about 3 months total, she bought a laser and a shit-ton of materials for it, tons and tons of shit for San Japan, a freakin' CAR
Her subscribers are so brain-dead, it's not even funny anymore
This just shows Holly has no friends and doesn't talk to people at cons.
Prints are money makers, but not if you print them in unnecessarily expensive paper.
Stickers are moneymakers as well. Everyone who has ever tabled knows this. But tables around her are going to HATE her ass if she sells them for cheaper just so people buy them.
Holly has such a huge advantage by not having to pay rent and having such a big space to work in, but it's so fucking nasty and disorganized I'm surprised how she gets anything done.
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The shoes she has strewn all over the place really made me gag when I watched the vid
Lol, and she says she "cleaned a bit"
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Do they not own a vacuum?
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You can't fix something that shitty. This is why 'redraws' of Holly's work are so stupid. If you want to fix Holly's work you need to start from scratch. >>896314
Holly thinks her comic/characters are popular because her followers blindly praise everything she does. Unfortunately the majority of Holly's followers won't actually buy any of Holly's stuff. Also have you seen Holly's fanart? There is having art that 'isn't that great' and then there is the disgusting fanart Holly makes.
art holly has made
of other's IP
That fanart, not fan art of her characters
I genuinely couldn’t tell this was a redraw for a second >>896264
Why is her filthy plate just laying on the floor like that? And this shit looks like it has never been vacuumed. Imagine all the dirt and dust… And she walks around her house in bare feet???>>896257
Are those Q-TIPS just laying around on the floor???????? Jesus, I knew she was dirty but damn when you guys said her room was a biohazard I though you were exaggerating. At first glance her room just looks cluttered, but like… wow. Her room is absolutely disgusting.
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I think the symbol face is fine it's the weird realistic head size/body proportions on everything. It's like she still thinks "semi realism" is an actual art term
Not to mention that cat is impossible to fix; >>896330
said it all>If you want to fix Holly's work you need to start from scratch.
Any orders bigger than 50 usually have defects. If you look close there are sometimes holes in the printing, if you hold them up to the light you'll see them.
One of my designs had specking in it where there were random holes inside the print that made them cosmetically unsellable. My percentage of seconds with Jinlei are almost half including defects to the print, dust and gouges in the epoxy, and breaks where they didn't package them nicely. Small orders come in a bubble mailer and 5 of my keychains were snapped in half, 3 snapped by the hole.
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I edited it without drawing anything whatsoever. It's not perfect by any means, but it showcases what paying attention to proportion and consistency can do.
If she would just be a little more deliberate, reference, and care.
Wow, definitely an improvement and shows that Holly is so close
yet so far from the mark.
That is your opinion, but I find it can be helpful to pick apart why someone's art doesn't work just as it can be helpful to pick apart why someone's art DOES work.
Holly suffers from a lot of things that beginner artists suffer from, but she just never grew out of it.
I agree that you cannot sit here and make her art good, but when the milk is dry I don't see why people can't discuss her artwork if they want to.
Her bad artwork is as relevant as her bad attitude, like it or not.
No one is saying you can’t pick apart the art, it's the redraws and edits that can shit up the thread.
Soon as one anon does it, everyone wants to throw their hat in. It happened in the 2nd or 3rd thread. Say what you want about the art just don’t post your fucking stupid edits.
No one is interested which is why no one posts there. Idk why people are so triggered
when people do redraws plenty of anons like them in their respective cows threads. Redraws are more entertaining than the bullshit tinfoils and infighting that always seem to happen when milk is dry.
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Just letting you all know shes randomly blocking people.
I never even follow requested her but I was in her BNHA Zine. She's either really psychotic or paranoid or some shit
She’s planning on going public again on Twitter and blocking everybody she knows has scammed so she can pretend nothing happened
Spoon touching the carpet.
Remember when she said she couldn’t host people for san japan because HER MOM was a hoarder and her house was filthy, like it wasn’t her fault?
I wonder if she expects her mom to clean for her and that’s why she’s judging…
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new saga incomming ?
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Seems like she's already listing some new stuff (on a side-note, her Purgatory-books have now completely disappeared from her shop)
Yeah make some acrylic pins of your OCs from a comic that hasnt even reached 20 pages yet. Sure, Holly.
And obviously her braindead fans would still buy it.
I'm waiting on her Kickstarter for PP. I can smell it from a mile away.
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Like… I refuse to believe she’s working an actual job right now (let alone 2-3 that she claims) but how else is she affording crap like this and the equipment needed for the sublimation printer? I can imagine as soon as the paycheck clears, she’s buying new shit for the latest scheme she’s thought up.
It fucking blows my mind though that with the rate at which she comes up with these ideas that she always manages to find the ones that NEVER APPEAL TO ANYONE. I know she prides herself as being “original” but literally every single thing she’s tried to push has no mass appeal. Journals are cool, but slapping sloppily drawn cats with other poorly drawn objects in it appeals to who exactly? Besides herself. That bathtub/leg shaving cat print will always be a prime example of her inability to conceptualize anything with appeal to the general public she wants money from so badly.
From all pp related stuff Holly has made here’s a rundown of the characters.
Herschel- awkward flirt with anger issues that heals monsters and gets raped but is okay with it
Ash- Holly’s self insert that does nothing but eat food and makes sarcastic comments
Reese- Holly’s self insert but a guy and a rapist. He shows off his cutting wounds like they’re no big deal and is an edgy whore plant monster
Princess- the bitchy straight man of the group
All that after 2-3 years of development from holls
Lol I love these descriptions
You've given the characters more depth than Holly has
Ash is who she is right now and Reese is who she wants to be, for some reason. kek. Wonder if we are going to see a Holly fakeboi saga where she tries to live out her fujo fantasies?>>898397
This pretty much. She builds all this shit up so much in her head and then either forgets or is too lazy to actually incorporate it into the comic.
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She honestly thinks holding a Black Friday sale will help push her shit OC merch? And for those stupid enough to order from her, they would be lucky to see their package come by February at the earliest if she bothers to ship at all given her track record..
So she's finished shipping out all the backer rewards now right, or…
If she wanted to set up a black Friday sale, she should've prepared at least a week in advance.
I know when most people think black Friday, they don't think, "oh boy, I've been waiting for a sale on Holly's OC merch and sloppy comics, I'd better get in on that!"
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Of course Holly would go out on Black Friday and spend more money on shit she doesn’t need. Plans to use the sublimation printer on the canvas boards to sell her digital art and says it’s “a cheaper way of owning an original”. That’s not how selling original art works, Holly…
And if course the car is as messy as her room.
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Jfc Holly, just stop. No one is going to buy this shit. Go back to fulfilling your Kickstarter.
Just like how shes bought and sold copic markets like 5 separate times in the last 2 years. Is she missing the part of her brain that allows her to learn from her mistakes or what?? Toddlers have a better grasp on that concept than she does.>>899442>wearing shoes in her own fucking bedroom
Does this bitch not know what a vacuum is?
Holly pretty much treats her living space as a warehouse facility since she stores all her shit there with piles of empty boxes. The only difference is that I’ve been to warehouses cleaner than her room.
I would feel bad that she lives the way she does if she weren’t such a rotten cunt.
Not to blog post but, I sell at cons and can tell you the number 1 rookie mistake outside of drawing things that aren't relevant is putting art on a bunch of products just because you can. The con scene has changed since the mid to late 2000's and with services like Aliababa you can get good quality custom printing for just about anything. It might seem cool to put your shit on anything and everything but, congoers will more than likely pass it by.
Not selling prints is stupid because there will always be a market for prints, and not having a cohesive set of practical products is another. She's atleast making improvements by having acrylic charms and not ugly wooden ones. Buttons, Charms, and Pins will always sell well; And while some people have expanded to do things like lanyards, micro fiber towels, washi tape, and more; People still keep it to a minimum. I wouldn't say she shouldn't do something like coasters or sketchooks but, she needs to have restraint and sick to what is popular to put art on. And knowing Holly she'll probably try to stand out and put her shit on a ton of things.
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Who is really going to want this? Honestly. She’s incapable of drawing anything unless it appeals to her and only her.
wtf are these colours??
You can add as many weird and irrelevant objects into your illustration but you have to make one of them the focal point. And, why the big random teal circle?? That's basically the focal point now.
I think she's trying to pain a still life… form her imagination?
Jesus Christ Holly this wouldn't look like hot garbage if you actually put some shit on the table in front of you and painted it. Just get a pink cloth and put a skull and some glassware on it? Also painting it from life would avoid this bizarre crap going on with the light source. I have no idea where the light source is supposed to be. Don't even get me started on the anatomy of that skull, jfc.
Also, shoutout to the underpainting. Oh wait… there isn't a fucking underpainting! Amazing, Holly's been to two different art schools and still doesn't know how to do an underpainting.
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I've never heard of interacted with her before and I'm blocked. Found this place because of it and holy shit this girl is batshit insane.
I wonder if something I made triggered
she said she'll do a page dump of pp in january and wants to do a kickstarter for in in march/april
she also jumped on the illo bandwagon, not sure why all yt artist are getting these considering they are not that great
They fit the frame perfectly for filming. For someone that does sketchbook spreads all the time it makes sense but Holly isn't consistent. Also for someone so poor she sure spends a lot of money on little treats for herself jesus.
Also how can she do a Kickstarter for PP it doesn't even have 20 pages
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Holly can charge what she feels like for commissions but that doesn’t mean people need to give her money for the sloppy messes she puts out. This will go the way of her Jiji painting she had to constantly mark down from $300 to what, $50? Just to get rid of it. I mean, the lettering is atrocious and the painting looks like it came from someone just beginning to learn how to paint. She’s not painting this because she’s inspired, she’s only doing it so she has product for her store.
As for her Kickstarter, they will prevent you from creating another campaign until you’ve fulfilled the previous one. That’s probably why she thinks saying she’ll do it in March/April will give her time. I know it’s wishful thinking but I hope her fans don’t fall for it and don’t give her any more money. It’ll just repeat itself and no one will see their rewards for another year while she fucks off with the money on another get rich quick scheme.
>>900187>The skull's jaw is so weird and lopsided it looks like it came from Herschel
I was thinking the same thing. It's weirdly narrow and long like his.
I might be in the minority when I say I actually do like how Holly paints but this is a bad example…you can tell the last time she looked at an actual skull for a reference was years ago.
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I guess it’s finished? Jfc Holly… all those years in school with a mountain of debt and you still couldn’t be bothered to learn something as simple as composition.
I don’t even know what else to say about this other than it’s extremely sad to look at.
Honestly this could look good. The style itself isn't bad but Holly lacks all the basic skills like anatomy and composition, which makes it all look wonky and not visually pleasing.
If she would stop being stubborn and really sit down and actually practice, she could do pretty ok paintings.
lemme direct you to >>899987
"I don't want to make a mary sue."
Your girls are too bland to be sues Holly. You have gary stus like Reese instead.
sage for nitpicking but shes talking about her cat possibly being pregnant, and the first thing she says is that she can "get rid" of the kittens by putting them up for free on craigslist
she keeps refering to it as "getting rid of them" and its just kinda gross
not to mention giving away a cat for free on craigslist… yikes.
I believe she doesn't like animals in general because right after that she went on saying that she thinks pitbulls shouldn't be breed because "statistically theyre more aggressive than other breeds"
the way she talks about animals is just gross
Okay she's talking about those guillotine executions in France from the 70s… which isn't much better, but I thought you meant like isis beheadings or something
But right after she says she's interested in watching more, like Chinese executions or some shit
Holly never grew out of her edgy teen phase cause either her lifestyle didn’t change or she didn’t change or both. Isolated people can lose touch with their empathy. She hates human interaction and stays in her room all day no wonder she has 0 empathy or compassion for animals/people.
Side eye the shit out of anyone like her, it’s really bad when you can see the asshole attitude on the outside.
I’m personally always amused by how she doesn’t give a single fuck about any other living thing except herself but she loves playing the victim
card when things don’t go her way. Everything is someone else’s fault and she’s completely thankless when it comes to any support she gets. I’m fascinated by some of the mental gymnastics this bitch can do.
I laughed at the part in the stream where she said that doing freelance work was her "dream job". Like 3 months ago she went on a huge rant about how much she hates doing commissions, but now she suddenly wants to be a freelancer? Does she think someone is going to hire her to illustrate a children's book with her gay cutter prostitute rapist self insert or something?
Also the whole bit where she was talking about being fascinated with executions was honestly repulsive and unsettling. Kinda wondering if she is really starting to lose it.
She said in her new painting video on her main channel that she wants to be commissioned album covers lmao
Good luck with that when you have no sample work and are just a shitty comic artist. She can render pretty well with paints, it’s just that her observation and general drawing skills are pretty atrocious
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I will never ever understand Holly's ass licking fans. I was watching the second part of the stream and some tranny is so obsessed with holly that they chose Holly as their new name…
I’ve seen trans men tweet Arin Hanson about naming themselves after him which he’s pretty shitty but he’s really popular so I get it.
Now Holly though? I don’t get it. I still do not understand how she has fans. It’s especially weird to me that she had a kickstarter for purgatory a few years ago now and it got funded. Did her fans that funded that one just abandon her from all the controversy or were they like oh yea, she redid it that’s cool, let’s fund it again now. I cannot honestly believe that she has fans that don’t see a problem with that. I can’t believe she has fans that don’t see problems with any of the shit she’s done.
Sage for the a-log
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Yup, back in 2017 she got 8k for the printing of the old style before trashing those and redoing it. The last update was about people not filling out the backer report so who knows how many people got the book during that go around.
Wait, isn’t against TOS to fund the same thing twice? I mean the new KS isn’t just volume one but still, she’s already funded and printed the first volume. I remember she didn’t even sell all the limited edition covers and ended up selling them on her shop at one point, I believe.
If she was smart, she could have just labeled it for volume 2 + epilogue…
ok so I think you guys are being a little excessive about some things
1) the cat she talks about is a stray that she feeds and built a little house for. She explained that she would want to find homes for possible kittens, since there are dangerous pets/animals living in the neighborhood. I dunno, doesn´t exactly sound bad to me?
2) why is her statement that overbred pets aren´t ethical suddenly problematic
Come on, there is plenty of material to drag her for, you don´t need to reach
I don’t think she’s an actual psycho or is going to kill her pets. Hollys fucking edgy “I wish my pet dog would die already” or “my sisters cat was too drugged to jump out of her cage so she snapped her neck on accident but it’s funny” comments are just not funny and sound psychotic out of context. Truth is she’s lazy and probably doesn’t want to take care of the pets and that jokes like those come out as a result.
I can’t find the post where it’s talking about the stray cat kittens besides the selling them on Craigslist thing or the overbred ethnical pets thing. So I’m not sure what posts you’re talking about anon.
It goes beyond her just being morbid or “unfunny”. There was a point where she kept saying (on stream) that she wished the family’s dog would die because it was annoying her or being an inconvenience. I have no doubt she probably does care for her cat but I personally wouldn’t trust her around any animal with the way she talked /laughed so openly about how funny it was when her sister’s cat snapped it’s neck.
It’s not reaching when anons point out how callous she comes off as in regards to animals.
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>>900699>>900739>1:47:13 for beheading bit
Holy shit she really does link it
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Weren’t these the same packages sitting on her bed for the last couple weeks?
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It's ok if you think it's appealing, but that doesn't change the fact it's incredibly useless - she uses it as a canvas, she's not printing them, so we can safely say it won't make her any money. (which should be her main concern atm)
Maybe it's just me, but Holly REALLY seems like someone who should work in product design - sure, her work would still be below mediocre, but she certainly enjoys experimenting with actual products (canvases, different printing techniques, various mediums for drawing and painting…) a LOT more than actually drawing something - how many ways of creating something has she tried in the past year alone?
She is just not honest with herself, but in reality she is no artist.
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Gerard Way's face is short and round and his nose is just… absolutely not like that. How is it that she draws something like this, looks at it and says "yep looks just like him"
Wait… this drawing >>902856
is supposed to be this dude??? >>903009
They look nothing alike
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The gerard is bad but the frank one is even worse, besides the eye shadow I can’t pick out a single thing she got right.
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She also posted this yesterday, I don't think anyone here grabbed it.
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She’s also posted the finished set too. The mitten hands are unbearable
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Holly is revamping her channel. She made a new banner and wants all her thumbnails to have a brown wood background.
If she's fucking around with this I guess kickstarter is shipped? I can't find anyone mentioning recieving their books
I don't want to derail the thread with art talk so you could also post in the art thread in ot but I'm very curious about what you mean? I'm not an artist and don't really have an eye or understanding of what makes Holly's art so awful except that it just always looks bad and off
to me. What tiny lines would make her art more polished and how?
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Someone notify France, Quasimodo is on the loose.
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there is one person on insta that tagged her in an pic of kickstarter stuff, guess some are out by now
years i've followed her threads now but just got amazed again how much her drawings look like some person's first attempt at drawing a figure. guessing how a hand looks, etc.
I imagine some like reddit thread >ITT we get our mom or dad to draw fanart
you'd get one like the herschel she drew here. except they wouldn't have spent a fucking hour scratching it out
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I’m at a loss with how quickly this woman goes through jobs. I seriously doubt any place would be interested in hiring her after taking one glance at her resume.
She just keeps and keeps beating herself down - what is she "repairing"? Her own laziness, so she finally sends the shit people paid for? (based on new Kickstarter commentary, no, nobody received their books yet)
I'm just flabbergasted on how badly she has lost any connection to reality. Does she really think she has such a shitty life? Yes, I know it's hard when you have depression but GOOD LORD - she still lives under her mum/aunts roof, has obviously no real requirement to get a job that actually makes money, has more art supplies than a Michaels store and Da Vinci himself combined, always has the newest technology, a gym membership, a car, an incredibly patient family, a shitload of pets and even a fanbase, braindead as they may be - everything just OOZES off luxury, everything that's missing she could easily get (like friends).
She is even too lazy to assess her own situation and realize how incredibly lucky she is - blowing 50 grant on a college, and not even finish it? Sure, easy peasy!
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She's trying patreon again. Still can't spell tier
Saging for old milk, but it's so great when a person like this: >>904421
Goes on to say that other people are not intelligent enough to be depressed.
"Why should I support A art YouTuber?"
Fuck an art class, she needs an ENGLISH class! Someone PLEASE teach her how to speak like an actual professional woman.
Her grammar and spelling perturbs me on so many levels.
She definitely did a gym membership before and I think mentioned it in several videos more to show off than to actually better herself. This was actually earlier in the year, so she is probably just doing the obligatory "new year new me" gym membership bs that everyone else does for a month or less then falls off.
-except she does that with literally everything in her life.
This isn't the first time she's made a grammatical error on something important and "official" and it won't be the last. The fact that this is true is what's frustrating about her.
It's an easy fix, just one more letter, and that's why it's irritating.
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No one posted this yet but jfc… Holly, do yourself a favor and fucking stop with the random ass products there’s no demand for. Especially with your sloppy, halfhearted attempts at art on them. No one wants them.
Eh, I don't really think she's gained weight. Not that she really shows her body very much, but her face is just naturally very round with big cheeks so it makes her seem fatter than she really is.>>904667
Holly just sit down and draw Paranormal Plague already.
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Those hands… oof.
Hershel's hand is bigger than his face, and I don't think it's just because of the perspective
And Ash's hand looks like chicken wing…?
Slow down Holly
Gotta make sure the pencil is really
connecting with the paper huh, Holly? The poses are so stiff too. She really is allergic to improving
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the way she just draw hands makes me laugh
I mean she seems to be only posting paranormal plague now that purgatory is done and she seemed to really hate it, so i think its safe to say she'll never touch it again but intsead have pp go through countless reboots since i believe its already on its third.
The first one was in colour, the second one was in black in white but only had about 17 pages, and now we're onto a third one that only has like 3 pages and the drawings look pretty much the same except theres usles context
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Oh no… I get it's kind of a joke picture (maybe?) but by god this hand. Surely she could have looked up a reference for it.
Is the arm supposed to resemble beef jerky or…?
I’m just going to assume Holly is allergic to studying anything that would actually help improve her work.
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You got me there, anon! Hey-o!
Beef jerky boi with the most severe wedgie I’ve ever seen.
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Oh dear god…
I hate how Holly always says "I could do X if I tried/put in the effort." She seriously believes she can do anything, for example in this stream she mentioned how she could be a game artist if she tried. No Holly, you can't.
And also "Technically I could make a good comic." Technically? What does that even mean?>>905106
Haha oh wow I actually burst out laughing irl
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Yeah it actually looks better than usual.
But the fingers aren't gripping the juice box quite right and the shoulder seems too small to connect to the bicep
lol i’m on team Holly is redeemable, so i disagree Holly’s on worst enemy is herself is she applied herself with even her babby audience she might get a tiny gig, like if she wanted to do art for games she would need to focus on more concept art and cleaning out characters in 3D instead of drawing the same old boring shit she draws everyday.
i am rooting for holly but her attitude makes it easy to see where she’s fucking up she refuses to do anything that isn’t pleasant. and in all honesty working a job isn’t that bad, but i’m sure most of us here working to pay for school/passion
projects or whatever actually talk to their co workers about their interests and omg MAKE FRIENDS??? holly wants to pretend art and comics are her life but it just translates into being delusional sinces she’s basically talking to herself and not getting any feedback.
but we all knew this
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Remember when she made that “Anatomy mistakes young artists make” video?
Where is his peepee? She literally broke every statement she made in that video in this very drawing. Like his crotch area looks wack.
Reading through her comments on this video I kanda agree - most of her fans are whyiny teenagers themselves, without having to worry about "adult" things like jobs, rent and keep confusing puberty with depression.
If Holly were to just take a single step outside of her house and talk to someone who isn't part of that horde, her life might change quite drastically.
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So shes drawing her characters using common anime posed and EVEN using references it still looks nothing like the references because she doesnt know how to use references
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The references for comparison
Shes mentioned before in a video that the way to “use references” is to look at it for a minute, then put it away to draw.
Which isn’t how you use references. I would ‘t be surprised if thats what she did here
Ashe's back should be bent more and her chest poking out more to emphasize the pose. Fat Togami ripoff is standing too stiffly; His feet should be a bit further back so his legs are slightly curved. Once again, Reese's spine is too stiff and his head should be lifted more to look at the viewer more directly; His left foot also shouldn't be so firmly planted on the ground. Her main problem with the spines is present on Princess as well, her butt should be sticking out more and she should be leaning more forward. And Hershel's…oh boy where do I start? His torso is facing the wrong way and isn't curved (stiff spine once again), shoulders aren't hunched enough to indicate he's balancing his weight on one foot like the original figure, and his hands look…awkward for some reason I can't put my finger on. I think it might be how his wrists seem too chunky.
Overall, like the rest of her art: Everything looks ridiculously stiff, mainly because she's too scared to push the spine to emphasize the pose. Anime figures usually have exaggeration to push the poses and make them more dynamic and interesting to the eye. If she would have properly referenced them, she would have drawn a line down the spine of each figure on a separate layer to see the line of action and get a feel for the gesture. Like an anon said above; if all she's doing is glancing at them for a second and then putting them away, she's not using references properly because you're supposed to study them as if you were doing a life drawing class.
Sorry for the long sperg but, christ on a crutch she needs to get her shit together.
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He looks like he's wearing a mask. It's so disconnected with the neck
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>>905709>don't you guys ever draw yourself as a dude? I do it all the time
holly confirmed for drawing herself pegging hershey
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Well at least she is realistic about what she'd be like as a dude.
Yeah Holly except his name is Reese lol>>905799
She better be whittling or carving out figurines to match the wooden poses she draws for her OCs.
In some tweet or livestream (can’t remember which) she said she found drag queens to be offensive/sexist or something stupid like that, so I doubt she would ever come out as trans.
Didn’t she say she was bi but literally never speaks about having crushes on the same sex?
"i think drag is degrading to the female form" i remember that from the art scrub video
she also said "people try to convince me i'm trans because i talk about being the opposite sex" and how she's bi but only likes men except when a woman is a 10/10
there was also that bit where she got really upset because people thought she was a lesbian "but i'm so feminine and i love pink i'm not like a icky butch lesbian at all"
she's literally just a homophobic straight girl
One of the most ridiculous things Holly has ever said. Like a 10/10 (whatever that means) woman would even look at Holly with that attitude of hers.
I'm pretty sure she's only said that so people wouldn't accuse her of fetishizing gay dudes in her comics
Let’s be real, Holly is really jealous of women and her self loathing makes her hate them because she’s not pretty like them. She talks about how she’s not like other girls and doesn’t get them and gets along with men better. Then goes and says that she’s feminine and likes girly pink shit and wants to have long hair and good face makeup.
Like she’s not attracted to women, she just finds them more attractive than her. There’s no way she’d date a woman let alone one more attractive than her since she’d be insecure and jealous of how pretty she is compared to herself.
A straight, homophobic femcel at its finest.
Maybe I'm in the minority but I think Holly isn't even that ugly tbh, shes just too lazy/self-hating to put effort into her appearance. There are pics of her with her hair properly straightened where she looks pretty cute. If she learned how to properly care for her hair and how to dress (and washed her nasty snot encrusted clothes once in awhile) she'd look fine.
Gotta laugh that she said at one point she was soooo femme though, with her short hair and wearing exclusively jeans and hoodies she looks more butch than ever. It's obvious that she DOES want to be more feminine but also refuses to take the steps to achieve that look because she hates women so much and doesn't want to "stoop" to their level.
Honestly if her nose was just smaller she'd be very pretty in a typical way, you know what I mean? Sometimes I look at her and she does have attractive features, but her nose is so big and potato-like that it distracts from her the rest of her face.
I'm not even trying to insult her, I justthink her face would look more proportionate. I don't know Holly's stance on plastic surgery though
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She posted one of her commissions and i’m baffled by how weird and ugly it is
Her appearance isn't exactly relevant to her being a cow. But for what it's worth, if she were a nicer person she'd be seen more positively in appearance. Nice people don't tend to get called "potato face" if they're ugly, as a general rule.
She shoots herself in the foot by always being a rude and terrible person, is my point. On ll fronts.
Calling her ugly isn't really constructive at all, and even if she were ugly it still has nothing to do with why she's a bad person. It's a low blow when there's actual valid
shit to criticize her on like her self-righteous attitude and bigotry.
This looks like the most obese lemur on Earth. The ears are too small and the snout is too long and foxlike.
Jfc Holly look at a goddamn photo for once.
This has so many mistakes but I feel like Holly's nonhuman art is slightly
better than her human stuff. If I was Holly I would probably try making adoptables or doing 'your character here' auctions for a quick buck.
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I’m skeptical of course but if it’s true, I don’t know how she keeps scoring art related jobs. She will undoubtedly blow this opportunity as she did with the previous graphic design position when she finds out she’ll have to do work that isn’t solely for herself.
Or its another scam
Not sure who she's trying to fool anymore.
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holly shit anon, no one cares about your sexuality and you don't shit on women just because you are not attracted to them, I'm not attracted to women either but holly isn't ugly she got some pretty features, just get over it, she's just not taking care of herself, besides it's irrelevant to the thread it's not milk>>906601
on another note, is this band even popular? Holly's problem is that she's so random, she's not sticking to a fandom, like anime/cartoon/whatever else is there, idk ppl would follow her for being a comic artist then she makes merch of an edgy old band i think it would be a turn off to her followers
eh most of her cat drawings are on the same level of shit as her human drawings. the lemur drawing is a bit better, but wtf is going on with the lower body.>>906595
i'm still trying to decipher what's going on in this picture, the dude's face just gives me rapey vibes and that's never a good sign from holly.
The lines between the images on the MCR one are all uneven and it's giving me OCD
Two of the lines are thin in some places and the others are thick. It's uneven wtf why would you do this for something you'd want to sell? Don't you have an ounce of professionalism?
sorry ot but comebacks aren't always successful, especially that it's an old edgy band and her fanbase is young and probably don't know about it, i didn't even see them trending… so yeh not gonna make much of it,
i wouldn't judge a GOOD artist for making merch of them, i wouldn't judge a mediocre artist for making fanart, but making money out of these hardly recognizable drawings… holly please, it's getting boring
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I thought she swore off Skillshare after they didn’t give her the 2k from her blunder?
so the $300 is for the 'class' she made that was taken down? that was making comic backgrounds easy, per >>891088
how can she get 300 for a class that was up for like 1 day?
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Imagine paying money for this.
Also around 5 hours in she talks about her job and jojo. Apparently the job is taking pictures of babies.
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this is almost okay. the gray bricks are fucking ugly and lazy as shit. not worth $40 imo
It pisses me off how she draws the background after
the figure. Like ffs Holly plan our the entire drawing first so your character and background don't look like they're from two different drawings!
Not much milk.
She just said Bernie Sanders isn't actually radical because other countries already have the things he advocates for.
She's doesn't like the Democratic candidates because socialism but doesn't like the Republican candidates either.
She also complained about the tax system screwing over the middle class.
Not much milk.
She just said Bernie Sanders isn't actually radical because other countries already have the things he advocates for.
She's doesn't like the Democratic candidates because socialism but doesn't like the Republican candidates either.
She also complained about the tax system screwing over the middle class.>>907456
Not much milk.
She just said Bernie Sanders isn't actually radical because other countries already have the things he advocates for.
She's doesn't like the Democratic candidates because socialism but doesn't like the Republican candidates either.
She also complained about the tax system screwing over the middle class.>>907456>>907456
Not much milk.
She just said Bernie Sanders isn't actually radical because other countries already have the things he advocates for.
She's doesn't like the Democratic candidates because socialism but doesn't like the Republican candidates either.
She also complained about the tax system screwing over the middle class.>>907456>>907456>>907456
Sorry, I didn't mean to multiple post. My reply wouldn't post so I kept on trying but nothing happened at first then all the attempts suddenly posted all at once.
I don't know why those posts aren't saged. I entered sage in the subject field for all of them.
sage goes in the email field not the subject>>907467
I find it hilarious that Holly is making fun of people on welfare being bad with their money when we all know how terrible and impulsive she is with her money…girl needs a reality check or something
I honestly thought it was a self portrait of her saying she got a welfare check when I first glanced at it.
I wonder if she’s ever tried to get food stamps or any thing along those lines
well Holly does hate women we had a whole discussion on her "i'm not like other girls" attitude
Holly for a chick who scammed a ton of people of their money you're really one to talk about wasting money
She absolutely is I have no idea what triggered
that anon lol.
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It’s amazing how her character designs can go through so many revisions and still not look appealing.
Can't decide if old Reese is better or worse, but the newer Princess design is absolutely a downgrade in every single way.>>907301
I actually like this, but I think it's more because it's completely different from what she normally does vs. it being good.
Holly's stated a few times that old Princess was "way too fat". In her last live stream she expressed that new Princess is skinny and good now.>>907803
I agree- Holly has never been prolific but her old style actually had some fucking flavor lmao. She would be much more ahead right now if she stuck to that style, but hammered on some anatomy+composition skills instead of trading it for cardboard
I like old Herschel too, at least he has SOME personality, unlike today's BeEf bOI>>907863
God, now that you mentioned him, did Holly get her shitty "look at ref pic for 3 minutes and THEN draw" by misinterpreting his "visual library" tips?
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Because she doesn't see characters as individual people with distinct personalities, lives, opinions, goals, desires, and dislikes. She sees them all as interchangeable vehicles to try and move the plot along, by whatever means necessary.
So she ends up having a character say or do something totally ooc for them, just because she needed someone to do or say that thing and that character just happens to be there.
All her characters are tools to get the job done. Just gears in the mechanism, made of symbols and vague ideas of what people are.
If she actually got out of the house and met people and traveled, she'd probably have a much better grip on what a real human is like.
I think Holly said each character represents a mental health issue, and Princess was supposed to have an eating disorder, so she redesigned her to be skinnier>>908355
Me too, I get a more distinct impression from the old Hershel. But Holly also said he looked 'insane and 30 years old' in his original design and she wanted him to look sexier
she looks like she's been up for two days.
Holly you wouldn't be aging like this if you actually took care of you body, your skin, your hair, lived in a clean environment, and didn't force yourself to work 3 times as hard as you need to just because you think it gives the impression you're a "professional".
Her style was always ugly, anon.
It’s honestly pathetic to go this many years drawing as much as she does and only regressing further. Like, can you imagine if she had not fucked around in school doing pointless shit to make her life harder and actually focused? I’m sure now she wouldn’t be shilling shoddily made OC art and scamming on KS.
I think back to that one final project she had where all she had to do was an illustration but decided she was going to do a full on animation that was god only knows how long. And of course she never followed through. That was an indicator of things to come.
I don't think anyone is saying her old art was good, just that it was more interesting than her current art.
It was super wonky but it had enough style that I can understand why it would appeal to some. If she had kept progressing in that style she could have made something good.
As it stands now, her technical ability has improved but not enough to actually be impressive and her style has become blander.
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Still a pigs mess, wonder how her place will look like after she moves in
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can you elaborate what you find problematic
or is it just that people should walk on eggshells around the fact that black people exist? >>908979
bad taste? how
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Looks like some people are getting their books. I don’t know if it’s the bad quality of the photo or what, but those wooden charms and that pencil case look so bad……. so, so bad
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I didn’t bother blocking out the name because chances are Holly has already blocked them since she’s trigger happy with the block button. But this person isn’t being unreasonable and we already know Holly is a passive aggressive cunt towards her supporters.
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The pics in the post of their comment on KS.
and you know you shouldn't fight other anons especially if it's not even milk, at this point it sounds like anons just have personal grudges against her and reach out to milk
which is kinda pathetic>>909494
aaaaaaaaaaaand finally someone is speaking up, still kinda feel it won't do much since holly isn't active on twitter anymore
at this point these type of anons are just baiting for attention, it's the best to just ignore them.>>909494>>909497
it's kinda sad knowing that this will be just brushed under the rug, since most of her fans are completely blind to her tendencies and really think she's been shipping the books. if she really does another ks for pp then i hope her fans realize what bullshit she is on when she is inevitable late with the books again.
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The perspective on those cups. I cant
Lol anon please tell me you're joking this is terrible
I especially love the chopsticks that look about 4 inches long.
If you were to take the top part of the sushi and lined it up with the top of the ramen cups you would get two different plains due to the difference in perspective angles, its like she just refrencing from photos that have different view points and is just mashing the two pictures together
It would look much better if she just used guidlines during the rough stages of planning
Which, mind you, she seems to always talk about how important the thumbnailing stage is for her art even though it never shows
It’s not. What I assume is the nutrition label on the left one is also out of perspective and as >>910485
pointed out there are other issues here besides the ramen cups themselves. Honestly the composition is the least of this drawing’s problems.
take a fucking shot whenever holly draws food in different perspectives, set in a pink void with no composition
it’s just laughable at this point. put it on a bingo sheet
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Is it me or does her characters look uncomfortable and uninteresting? He looks like he’s constipated and she’s just a junk food addict
To be honest I've checked out some of her latest streams and most of her dedicated fans are creepy male orbiters now.
When you have a not-like-other-girls personality (compared to other female art tubers) you're bound to attract edgy men. This is the kind of audience I see her left with in a couple of years. Weird because I doubt they will buy into her cheap yaoi comics if not only to support her.
They already looked awkward enough when they were drawn separately
Then she goes and pasted them onto the same artwork and now it’s twice as bad
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New Instagram post
Shoutout to the sushi roll she copy pasted five times
Also it's super obvious she used the pen tool for the cups and the paintbrush for everything else, and it looks like hot garbage. Is it really that
hard for her to freehand some ovals and mostly straight lines? Just turn the stabilizer up. Plys it gives the drawing character when the lines aren't perfect.
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Look at the hump on her back, really needs to go back to basics instead of thinking that this and that goes their
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What is up with the lines on the arms? Did anyone tell her that lines are not a problem solver to muscles?
I guess depression is different for everyone, and its always possible that episodes are triggered
when she gets too ahead of herself, but I actually know many artists with mental issues who can meet their deadlines, or at the very least communicate, to clients/collaborators, because they are good people who try not to fuck others over.
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I am guessing he’s a block of wood now, just look at that body pose, really needs to study human anatomy more
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The legs look off