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Most well known for her cal-arts rant, where she bitches about how hard it is to get in while claiming to have gotten in. Also known for giving shitty advice to impressionable beginners.https://www.youtube.com/user/hollyistotallycoolhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgeEynuhGskPjgNR5DjbZmwhttps://www.instagram.com/h.c.brown/https://twitter.com/HCBrownart
Mirror of aforementioned Cal-Arts rant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvnD-9XOs5k
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>21 year old "freelancer" (lives at home with her mother and runs an online shop selling ugly art)>Salty Youtube fujoshi artist that claims that her art is superior because she went to art school>Constantly preaches that art takes hard work, claims to always practice and study but her art hasn't improved in over two years>Whines about being a starving artist with no money, yet has enough money to buy a new Mac computer and a Cintiq tablet within the same week, then sold said cintiq because she got sponsored for her shitty shitty art>When faced with genuine criticism, she replies with "it's my style hurrr get over it!!">Whines about nobody buying from her online store, but when people do, she whines about having to package and ship off her items >Pandering to the Musicals crowd to get more Youtube $$$>Claims to be the only non tumblrina artist and is a textbook tumblr fujo>Generally insufferable and shitty person
In the previous thread:>Holly backtracks on her animation goals and starts the 100 days of making comics challenge>Her lack of tact massively backfires on her as people get pissed about her constantly shitting on everyone>Holly BALEETS most of her videos and posts two rants about how she's "Done with the drama" and "won't say anything again ever">Opens commissions to make money instead>Deletes those videos too and decides to just go back her regular video and abandon any critical thinking altogether
Is Holly literally autistic, or have the years of being a shut-in just eroded her social skills? Will she ever stop deleting negative comments? Let's find out.
Previous thread: >>>/snow/480758
>>498020>decides to just go back her regular video
Fucked up the OP I guess, I'm sorry anons.
Exactly, which is why they go looking for people like Holly to validate the way that they feel.
The only thing is they're going to have to unlearn a LOT of shitty habits and behaviors.
The best anyone can do at this point is set a better example and lead by that.
I watch people like Proko, Whyt Manga, WLOP, and JNAME 제넴.
Honestly, at this point, I don't think Holly will ever outgrow this "I'm a 'professional', therefore everything I say is gospel" mentality, especially if she never takes critiques seriously and sees anything that isn't praise as "hate."
Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think she's finished any project she's started, so the fact she claims to be professional is even more laughable. Yeah, professionals will have some projects that never really take off, but has she actually finished one thing she's started?
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A comment she liked on her recent video. Of course. At least someone else had some sense there. Good lord.
Also the only comment besides this I saw her respond to was someone joking about "con artist" shit and her saying "edgyyy" like of course she doesn't acknowledge the asskissers. I won't be surprised if she deletes that subcomment pictured.>>498169
OT but Terri aint shit, either. And she's always coming off as a tryhard. She's been all over Holly's twitter comments and youtube comments trying to get more views from the residual drama. All she draws is ducks and mice with puckered lips.
I hope Holly gets more and more critique the more shit she slings around without thinking. Actions have consequences.
Yeah? They're deviantart says male. Still sounds young for a girl too though.
I'll say what whatever pronoun you want though idgaf.
yeah, there's more shit to rag on holly for besides perceived "cissexism". they do have a follow-up video also that exactly no one cares about.
also they refer to themselves being "holly's age" in the video. i'd have given them some leeway otherwise, but they're just as embarrassing (if not worse… that art, yikes).
Oh damn, yeah that's the other reason I thought they were younger. It's one thing to be that bad in your 20's, but they're selling it and have a bunch of "support me" links.
Although I have a feeling they might be lying about their age to see or sell nsfw art.
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Sure, have some new Holly art.
Is it just me or is her anatomy actually getting worse?
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All Terri draws is furries lmao
I'm truly baffled at the way her fans think
oh god, what did Metalocalypse to deserve this? Holly stop right now.
IDK but I can see that she would make a RYM fanart and it will be totally hilarious
Lol this is what I've been saying, Terri is just a tryhard with furries with puckered pouty lips, they all. look the same. She kisses up to Holly and it's so pathetic.
She's giving terrible advice about critique too, so it's no wonder her and Holly's art are samey and bad. Neither of them take the critique that probably tells them to study the basics.
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A sort of critique of the first five pages of Paranormal Plague
>>498452>I watched a Japanese cartoon like this once!
Wow Holly, so clever and original… totally not an overused dead joke.
How can anyone like this writing and style? It's so bad and inconsistent.
I read some comments that say they love her style and art and it's their favorite but… how?
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Look at what Holly is doing to these children's mindsets
Listen, if my 9 year old whatever came up to me asking me what porn is I would probably laugh and remind myself to tease them about it when they were older.
On the other hand, if my 9 year old whatever knew what porn was enough to make art of it I would have bigger problems than them watching Holly Brown.
Lol, you've obviously never been on Furaffinity. People most definitely will over pay for poorly drawn porn.
And they don't have any trouble selling it really. Paypal is pretty efficient, as long as you aren't putting anything in the invoice that would allude to it being smut.
I didn't even realize the inconsistencies, lmao. She really doesn't seem to improve her storytelling skills at all.>>498166>If you make money you win, no need to improve hurr xD
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I wanted to watch the CalArts rant video and it appears to be dead….
She comes up every once in a while forums like these>>>/ot/212557
Still there isn't much valid milk besides her destroying a tablet, baiting tumblerettes a bit, and sometimes being a downright mean to get her point across. I can see why some dislike her.
Other than that she's been accused of being a far right trump supporter, which (while irrelevant) isn't even true. She's a refugee!
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From her "there's millions of art jobs" video.
>"You know what'd really make you money? Making smut that panders to trans and lgbt ppl! That's where all the cash is."
While it'd be very milk-worthy, that's a terrible idea.
It's bad enough that Holly is a shitty fujo-art goblin. She better not touch this topic with a 30 ft pole. She wouldn't be able to handle it. It's bad too because you know she's thinking about it, because she 'hearted' the comment. what a garbagewoman.
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I think she might be glorifying conventions a little too much, participating in artist alleys is 100% hard work and pressure not to mention there's a shitton of competition.
I mean, it's one thing to actually get into the artist alley at conventions and a completely different thing to sell at one.
No con with an AA jury would want her wonky art, and even if she did get in I highly doubt her stuff would sell very well.
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Over 1 hour fucking long…
Also that guitar perspective is just too odd looking. She could've dug a bit deeper to find a similar position…
To answer your question anon, no, there are plenty of people in the art industry who also draw smut. Of course it's separate from the rest of their work, but it's never been a dealbreaker.
The problem here is her handling subjects with all the finesse of a bull in a fine china shop, while trying to profit off people who fetishize the groups of people this commenter is suggesting she makes comics of.
Holly takes a super long time drawing these characters. Her work flow and drawing technique is irksome.
Also Metalocalypse is over. Not coming back. It’s so unsurprisingly cringy for Holly to be one of those fans of a show that’s never coming back.
"Old" fujo culture is still around, just don't go on tumblr. Although I wish it would just fucking die already>>499159>I want to be a con-artist
Someone with no tact and no contacts should never attempt that sort of story, and it's far from "a niche market untapped by anyone". Not that Holly would know, since she doesn't actually read any comics.
>>499225https://youtu.be/DuiKduf658A?t=32m9s>>Have you ever looked at someone and go yeah, you smell like dick.
You mean you?
Also the comment about having a sensitive nose due to growing up surrounded by cat piss… you'd think someone like that wouldn't let their room look like a shitpile
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Bless Holly's fan who makes her OC's look more bearable
I wonder if she needs glasses… or really loves jay Leno.
Look up a book Figure Drawing by Micheal Hampton, if you are having anatomy trouble. He breaks it down well. Sage for OT
if you're gonna sage, then actually do it.
For those who don't know how, it's literally just writing the word "sage" in the email slot.
>>500207>97 subs>166 views
Solid points though, I think a lot of small creators are trying to get views by cashing in on the drama now, but it's nice that people are speaking up.
Not a self-post. It popped up in my recommended while watching the Connie Daidone video. Probably because I've been searching to see if anyone else made a video on Holly.
I agree with a lot of the points brought up in the video though.
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If I see another straight tube leg, broken ankle, underside of a crudely drawn shoe ever again I'm going to fucking scream
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Uh, I think I've been drawing seriously for five years? I won't say my age, but here's a god awful drawing affected by holly's wrath
Oh man. We had a whole discussion about her feet in the first thread after she posted her enamel pins >>297481
. I remember that she reblogged this picture >>298233
two days /before/ releasing the designs and I tweeted it to her and she replied something along the lines of "haha yeah, I'll fix it for the next one". Her reply doesn't exist anymore since she purged her twitter a while back. >>500289>>500305
I'm happy that YouTube wasn't that big when I was in high school, I think you can get influenced pretty easily.
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My own holly inspired art from the time
I compleatly ignored her color theory videos, which I wonder was a good thing or not. Abused my brush pens and almost bought that one from Japan she recommend
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Damian's hair looks just like this clit vibrator.
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lmao it does>>500363
this is actually pretty cute even with the larger chin
Omg this is adorable anon despite the chin like >>500376
said. Though now I'm curious - did you ever grow out of the big chins or…?
My fucking sides>>500491
I agree, I don't think the big chins are the issue, she just doesn't integrate them into her faces well.
She cuts half the skull off and doesn’t allow for the the curve of the neck. Tube people. The figures look like they’ve been sucked up a tube.
Actually, she doesn’t really draw natural curves at all. Which is probably why her drawings look so stiff.
I haven’t been drawing much lately, so probably not. I’m taking proper art classes soon, though
Thought that makes me think about holly again. She really needs to grow out of the no critique unless it’s complements phase. If she lurks here, she’s insanely subborn.
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…I accidentally posted before adding a picture and sageing
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Now that you mention it, I can see it. Honestly, mars makes some pretty questionable anatomy choices too but it's not offensive to the eyes for me, I guess the fact that Holly's comic is also so poorly written and she has such a terrible personality really makes everything even less enjoyable.>>500704>"Calm down ya SJW"
what a sick burn, really got em
I think Holly's diehard fans are lost causes, if they can't listen to a calm and reasoned argument about their "QUEEN", then they won't make it out of chin hell anytime soon.
At this point I'm starting to get more annoyed with her fans than Holly herself because they are acting so clueless without even bothering to consider out look up the legitimacy behind the arguments used against Holly. Like there have been so many people saying stuff like "Missed the drama so I don't even know what happened but I support you holly, no matter what! <3"
It annoys me so much that all Holly herself let her viewers understand from the situation is that people were throwing extreme and ridiculous accusations at her and that people are just overly sensitive and "got triggered
" and that's all there is to know. Then her fans took that and are now under the impression that that's the main issue. Even though it's not. I wish someone could make them realise that there are plenty of people who have pointed out holly's faults and addressed their points in a very well constructed and polite way, yet holly constantly silences and ignores them and doesn't even mention them when she talks about "the hate she gets daily" and that's why her fans are so ignorant.
Like so much for being "honest" with her viewers while she herself keeps silencing and covering up her shit constantly.
It's seriously driving me mad that instead of giving her viewers the full picture and then allowing them to choose which side they are on, she paints a picture of a victim. Like she did nothing wrong. And I can't tell whether she actually thinks she hasn't done anything wrong or if she's just trying to come of that way to cover her ass.
I dunno. Just pisses me off that everyone who speaks against her is called a "hater" yet apparently Holly can do no wrong. And I know it's not that big of a surprise since teenagers are impressionable but that's exactly why I worry that soon there will be a bunch of mini hollies following her example and ruining their own reputations too because they think it's acceptable to say anything they want and how ever they want.
That. That exactly. That's what's the most infuriating! People just patting her ass without no knowledge OR objectivity on the matters.
She tends to do this most of the times though, she takes things personally like the jake parker issue, or the storyboarding drama.
She constantly make things appear way worse than what they look like and then almost never admits being at fault. Yet people blindly nod at everything she says and are ready to justify her behaviours because she's honest and blunt, and she expresses her opinions.
People need to realize that there's more to life than being a "hater" and that one can express opinions or go against somebody even if they are not "hating" on them.
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Too bad that Holly, unlike that artist, can't draw any expressions except pic related.
Imo the quality of your content attracts the appropriate demographic. Someone who's stubborn, childish and self-righteous will attract immature people who lack critical thinking skills or are very impressionable/young.
She didn't even show any screenshots or document anything that happened beyond "call-out culture!! People got triggered
!!", I don't understand how you can defend someone based on literally no information whatsoever. >>500741
B-but anon, that face shows that you're ~edgy~ and not like those boring, vanilla artists on YouTube! ("Disney")
You gotta do expression studies and practice exaggeration, making it up will make you hit your limits very quickly.
Kind of like that caricature class that Holly is bullshitting herself through because she "doesn't like caricature"
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redrawn and still looks ugly af. When will she get rid of that extreme anime hair
"Don't Procrastinate your homework"
What is grammar? What is choosing a case setting?
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i tried as best as screen write on my phone would let me. his stupid fucking cartoon fish mouth hair drives me nuts.
holy shit you actually made it make sense for once. I always wondered just what in all hell she was trying to do, if it was just long sides like your pic or if it was supposed to be a sculpted or something.
Even Simon's hair doesn't make any sense now with those gross looking tentacles in the back. Somebody teach Holly how to draw without big blocky shapes for once and teach her about flow.
My fuckin sides, that's way better than fuckin' Flying Buttresses
I have some news for you… It's guy
I think this whole weird hair thing was a part of Holly intending Damian to be confusing in case publishers won't print a gay comic, so she could always say it's a girl in a het relationship or whatever.
This hair pisses me off so much, it's ugly. There are better ways to make a character androgynous, even the plain long hair would've been a better choice.
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I just don't understand how Holly ever thought that hair looked good. I'm imaging it on someone in real life and it's just
Not only your bags, but your entire head of hair sticks up at two points, then you smooth the remaining out over your ears and curl it at your neck. Also your hairline looks like it has gills.
If I could I would make a 3d model of his head just to see how fucking retarded his hair would be in space.
I wonder if all the stuff she hates is stuff she used to like ore secretly likes.
She rags a lot on Naruto/Yugioh and the art for it. Pretty sure she was a rabid fangirl for each series.
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But there are so many unique hairstyles you can come up with that don't look like a fucking clit vibrator >>500369
I see unique anime hairstyles ALL THE TIME from newer shows. And they look good.
It's not even original… like, "Simon" is ripped from gurren lagann down to his stupid fucking glasses (which really don't fit the character or the universe or even look good on his face). A shy repressed gay kid in a medieval cult… yeah let's give him robot fighting shades except make the shape even worse by drawing them like even THEY have a long chin. Not to mention they are in the same shape and place as his awful triangle dough bangs, just making ugly tangents all over his face, god I could go on about his retarded glasses forever.
I am convinced holly has the worst fucking aesthetics in the world, and the only reason she's semi-decent at color theory is because she copies color pallets from tumblr and also adds color wash overlays on everything she does digitally.
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Can you cut yourself out of your own life?
She said recently "that's the joke of my channel, I bash animal even though my art is obviously anime inspired "
Does anyone find it funny though? It just seems like just hung the lampshade so she wouldn't be criticized for it anymore.
Mars is better with cartooning, that's why their drawings are more pleasing even with an "ugly style".
Holly would very much benefit from a cartooning course.
I'm not sure if she has ever ranted about cartooning or if she deems herself a master of it already, but it would help her with the stiffness in her drawings.
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I really wanted to attempt to keep her style-ish while combining with parts of what's popular amoung Tumblr web comic and make sense of whatever the tom fuck her porportions are and here's what I've got. After ten minutes drawing on my phone. I hate her design it's hard to work with the glasses are just like a superhero mask
as politely as possible: DON'T DO THIS. it caused derailing and arguments in past threads.
tl;dr: your art is not any better than hers, you look like an egotistical dumbass for thinking it might be, and people are gonna just tear you to shreds. if your art was decent, you're risking career suicide by posting on a known hate site.
can we start having this as a rule included at the top? jfc
I know there was a discussion like this last thread, but can I just say, I think Holly can benefit from an art school? Maybe one that has more merit to its name?
And the only reason why I bring that up again is because there are so many things she wants to do but she has no idea how to do it.
>she WANTS unique characters with definable features and shapes
>she WANTS to do well made comics with good stories
>she WANTS to do industry worthy storyboards
>BUT she has no idea how to do character design, paneling, flow, narration, composition, framing, and she constantly breaks the 180 rule
Look, a lot of artist can learn all these things by just putting time and effort into learning this. But if you can't do this shit on your own, Holly, maybe you need someone to physically sit you down, teach you, and make you take assignments in which HAVE to get critiqued on so you can finally learn and understand.
counterpoint: you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. if she isn't willing to accept that she needs improvement in those areas and goes to seek it genuinely of her own motivation, all she'll do is make more videos bitching about the classes/teachers/etc.
slight blogpost, but i'm a totally self-taught hobby artist who does a lot of character design and thumbnailing, at honestly around her talent level. the internet has a PLETHORA of material to teach you how to draw anything you could possibly want to. it's not that the information isn't available or there's nothing to teach it to her, she just won't take it. >>501588
i can totally see the temptation! and it's a good practice to do redraws imo, just don't post it here. remember at at the core, this is a hate site full of bitchy harpies and you don't want your OC posted here.
You are right, the internet is so full of helpful tips from amazing artists that her excuses for not improving are redundant. Her own stubbornness is holding her back.
Funny story(slight OT)! Professors usually have connections in the industry they are teaching in. She is shooting herself in the foot every time she bitches about her teachers/classes or her homework. She even has made it public knowledge that her assignments are beneath her. Now would you want someone like that working in your studio or doing a freelance job for you?
It's like the people who post a bunch of hate about their job on Facebook and don't understand why they get fired the next day.
She is cautionary tale anons.
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What you said reminds me of this comment I saw on a rant video done on Holly. Like how can you be so blind as to not see that's exactly what the person you idolize is doing?
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oh god…she's creating more merch….this time it's pencil pouches
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Does she even know what's aesthetic and what's not
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Holly acting like she's so special for doing the challenge while doing a bit of art homework. You know most people doing this challenge also have jobs.
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Not sure if this has been posted before but I was surprised to see this under a Jordan Peterson video earlier and cringed so hard.
Oh Jesus she's such a fucking clueless turd. How does she think she understands the mentality of other women when she literally never leaves her house, interacts with anybody other than her 12 year internet fans and has no friends?
Not stating anything new obviously but she is clearly a deeply unhappy, miserable person who can't look inwards for the reasons why, so it has to be everyone else. Or women, it seems. Don't see her making any dumb sweeping statements about men.
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>>502045>I don't want kids because it's my choice :)>but everyone else who doesn't want kids is being programmed to
This is common with Holly, whenever she does something "wrong" it's ok, but when anyone else does the same as her, they're the one with the problem.
This is extremely disappointing because Twist3dDisast3r seems like honestly a nice person and yet is friends with Holly.
The art level difference is also just frustrating to watch.
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Holly just can't draw anything in perspective, or forshorten anything. Every pose she draws looks like a paper doll with pivoting joints. The only thing she ever tries to draw in perspective are feet, which ends up looking like broken triangles on a stick>>500271
That Metalocalypse sketch she drew said this dude's empty hand was "forshortened". It's not, it's just rotated.
Read her last sentence "Most girls say they don't want kids because their feminist ideology"
Holly not wanting kids = her choice, she is special and different
Other women not wanting kids = lying to themselves and indoctrinated by feminism
In the stream, Michie left, and Holly just said "And in this stream, you see Holly Brown actually DOES talk to people and HAS friends. Except not really."
It seems kind of rude and mean to say. as if she's using michie just to prove she has a life.
"Except not really" what the fuck? That's really rude.
I'm a fan of Michie, and I was surprised yet not surprised when I saw the stream pop up with Holly in it. They're similar but Michie is an actual mature adult. Was pretty sure she'd have rethought her friendship with Holly when she had her fit the other week.
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I actually felt bad during the stream, because she was putting an honest effort into drawing and understanding Holly's characters and Holly was just making a joke of hers.
Michie handled it gracefully though (if it bothered her at all) but I know Holly has mentioned thinking that other people's characters are shitty to her, and I just felt like that mentality really showed itself tonight. Her commentary, her inability to take it serious or put any effort into her half was just really sad.
I hope that Michie earned herself a few new followers at least.
How can Holly be proud of her OCs compared to others when hers are some of the ugliest I've ever seen.
It's not even that they are drawn crudely, it's also that they're just ugly outright.
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OT but Holly's art looks like Gakuen Handsome. Pic related.
I agree, though I don't have a problem with Michie as a person, she is mediocre at art. You can draw under sketches and plot your figures out as much as you want and it won't make your drawing any better if you're uninformed and don't understand the form you're drawing in the first place. She just mimics bad tutorial techniques and calls it a day.
Everything she does is wonky, but… I guess this isn't about Michie.
I still feel bad for her in that live stream. Holly is not someone I would want to do an art trade with, even if she was a better artist. But she should have known better too, if she has really watched Holly at all…
I completely agree about the quality of TwistedDisaster's art, she's mediocre at best and how she gets so many commissions is entirely beyond me. Some of her other shit is pretty cringy too (that "yes artists can scam other artists" video was so asinine), and her shading/coloring makes me viscerally upset. Just because she's better than Holly doesn't mean she should be lauded.
She definitely should have known better. Even if the stream was planned before Holly's little tantrum (doubtful), I would have severed ties with someone with such a fundamental lack of professionalism. But enjoy the views I guess, Michie…
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I decided to make fanart.
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Last one, no more.
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Anon this is amazing.
I think the hypocrisy with Holly is what angers a lot of people.
Being open and accepting of critiques is a huge way to improve as an artist. You don't have to use everything people tell you but not being a complete asshole will definitely allow you to go farther than her.
Her ego will be her downfall.
Just try not to allow confidence to become arrogance and you should be ok original anon.
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Those giant hands and lopsided face. Would people even purchase this with the exception of the oddball of her fans
I feel like she's trying to do some kind of perspective on the hands here, but it obviously isn't working, especially with the hand resting on the opposite arm.>>503104
Notice she put that damn V shape a-la-Damien in his bangs as well.>>502781
Agreed with all the responses you got, but: take risks with art, try new things, don't put yourself in a rut, experiment!! Another thing that Holly proves is that repetition/consistency does not guarantee nor equate improvement.>>502752
THE HAND. Oh my god. I'm dead.
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Yes, Holly. You can obviously tell especially by the hair
>>503318>being on model looks better then her Original art
Holy shit I keked TOO hard!
maybe she should practice manga style to get rid of that art lean
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I flipped the image. It's deliciously bad. His forehead is gonna topple over.>>502722
She (Michie) gets commissions because she's on FA raking in closed species adopt money. And I can tell you the only reason she's popular now is because a drama bs video of her's blew up. Leeching off holly's a strategy of her's at best. Holly will prolly be a topic of one of her videos soon enough if it gets too bad.
this is fucking gold, my fucking sides, the fucking tiles>>503084
i dont see how she expects to compete in the fanart market with people infinitely more talented and creative than her but ok
pretty much. screen tablets also tend to get warm/hot in use so it protects from that and stops you getting sweat all over your screen.
we all know they look stupid, but it's an unavoidable stupid.
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>"too on model">this bitch is so fucking delusional she thinks she's on par with hiromu arakawa
HEARTY KEK LADS
Whyyyyy does she always jam the eyes together right on either side of the nose
It looks so awful and it's such an amateur mistake
Copying Baylee Jae on the convention thing aye?
Also she needs to quit having the camera mic so close to her mouth
Why can't her or Baylee just be consistent with these challenges. Holly acts so high and might about these challenges but she's never as capable as she says she is.
I'll be honest I was liking having the making comics as back ground noise for drawing, rage fuels me that and it's hard to find people talking about webcomics on youtube. Finding the other 100 days people too vloggy.
But seriously compare what she's saying now to what she said in the first video. Such a hypocrite.
poor cat doesn't deserve all that abuse at the beginning ffs. if you put a plant on a level a cat can get to easily THEY WILL EAT IT
cats are dumb, we have to work around them, not give them flak for being cats
I think she meant more along the lines of, “Is this too generically ’animu’ and therefore not recognizibly my art cuz fan art hurr.”
Little does she know her art sticks out for more than her shitty style of giant hair and fucked up leans. Yeah don’t worry, we def know it’s you Holls.
>>504147>poor cat doesn't deserve all that abuse at the beginning ffs.
What abuse? She slightly shouts at her cat and then swears at it a bit but… that's hardly abuse when it's an animal. She got its attention to stop eating the plant.
Unless the abuse is having the plant on a level the cat can get to, then yeah that's pretty negligent though not directly abusive.
Holly has a lot to criticize, but she seemed like a fairly normal cat owner there.
I don't have time atm to watch the rest of the video beyond the point she stops showing her cat, but I had to check.>>504142
Watched the part with the cat and I gotta say - I wouldn't call that abusive or even negligent. Her plants didn't look to be ground level, the cat climbed up on the shelf. Anyone who's ever owned a cat knows they can and will perch on any surface no matter how small, so I can't give her flak for that. As long as she doesn't have like lilies or plants that are specifically poisonous to cats i dont find it to be that big of a deal. Isn't her workspace her bedroom? My cat knows how to open my bedroom door so I can see it potentially being difficult to keep her cats out. (Obviously she needs to keep toxic stuff put up)
Basically seems like a petty thing to pick on. Saged for cat talk.
I'm the anon who wrote the cat post
Oversight on my part, I didn't mean real animal abuse, like hurting etc. She's just being so rude to her cat for something that is essentially her enabling the cat.
Sorry 'bout that
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Good role model. Def does not have children as demographic
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Again with the foot sticking out like that…and that horse is so wack. It's like a lump of flour sack with legs poking out
Honestly I think this horse is one of the most expressive things she's drawn, as far as "dynamic character posing" and gesture goes.
It's still very stiff, that's the sad part. The human riding it looks terrible though.
Maybe Holly draws animals better because she hasn't learned to symbol draw them for long enough yet like she learned for people.
That dude's profile looks eerily similar to the horse.
This is all assuming
she'll get a spot in artist alley. Has she even secured one yet?
Why is Holly so bad with money? I don't get it. She's about to drop 45 dollars on a fucking cardboard box, and everything else she wants for her convention is 50-100, even the damn card holder is like 30 bucks, plastic sleeves for 30 bucks.
And 105 for a table skirt? I just…
She spends so much money on shit she probably won't even use. She has so much expensive equipment in her room that she never uses, trashes, or both.>>506437
Oh, I didn't even notice. lol.
If she didn't pile junk on her desk maybe she could actually use it easily?
Yeah, she spends mad cash on so many things I wish I could buy, but never uses them or treats them so poorly they become unusable.
She just threw away a bunch of expensive printer ink because she handled her CISS improperly and broke it, then just threw away all the ink inside. I am just baffled how she wastes so much. And all the ink was spilling in the trash over what looked to be a Japanese artbook, something I wouldn't throw away.
Didn't she grow up extremely poor? Shouldn't that teach you to treat everything you own with dignity? Especially expensive stuff?
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Holly is literally going to spend 50 dollars on a cardboard box and some file folders.
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I really wish people would stop implying that any of these other run of the mill youtube artists are "slightly better" or more informed than Holly. If you hate Holly so much that you can't even be objective about this, that's a problem.
All of them are bad.
I don't know how these artists sell anything, frankly.
A little OT probably, sorry.
But yeah, more on topic, Holly is probably going to be bitching about how bad this con experience was, and how much merch she has left over in the end.
Baylee is probably on equal level to Holly. Actually, Holly may be more technically skilled as she ventures out to draw things other than cute bug-eyed girls standing in a neutral position. I think when people say "better", they mean "more appealing to the general public".
Holly probably has one of the least appealing style of the youtube famous girl artists, because she doesn't draw cute things people would buy, she draws giant-chinned men.
Yeah that's what I meant. I never meant that Baylee has better technical skills or anything like that. Just that it's not appealing to look at to the naked eye like Holly's.>>506572
Who's the artist for the first one? I've never seen a fan art so stylized that you can't really tell who they are…It's so…unflattering to look at…
Yep, that's her. Twistedisaster or whatever. I heard her talking on a recent stream about her experience with Holly. She's a total Holly fan girl and was really worried about making Holly not like her.
(The video is the Holly stream that was talked about early. Figured to post it here if anyone wants to torture themselves. I'll try and get a timestamp of the other stream I mentioned.)
Well she's certainly got the right username because holy shit that art. Why's she so concerned about Holly of all people liking her, unless she's trying to rake in the views and subscribers. She's way better off than Holly is with the way she treats ppl. I wouldn't want to be associated with Holly at all unless I was really that desperate for views/subs.>>506642
No, she can't draw boys.
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A lil OT, but I was reading this Artist Alley 101 thing and this part made me remind me of Holly kek.
Watched most of the video.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm like 85% sure she said in one of her vlog videos (that she took off) after San Japan that she was going to do 11 x 17 prints, and that she thought her prints didn't sell well because they were a big size. The dude next to her was selling prints that were smaller and they were selling like hotcakes, apparently. If that's the case…it sounds like she's not learning from her previous con experience.
Also, as someone that practically lives at Artist Alley, you really don't need all that stuff for it, especially if it's at an anime convention. You really only need that stuff if you're in the main exhibit hall, or if you're in a place like a business expo.
she's absolutely not learning from past experience. she's printing them at 13x19 now because "that's what her printer prints at" does she not know that you can adjust the size of paper your printer prints? Also, she thinks the 13x19 prints will sell well because "nobody else sells that size".
Doesn't holly understand that people, esp the kids and teens that go to these conventions have limited wall space and cash? they want to buy lots of smaller prints to fill their wall, not one big print (esp if the art on it looks like deformed goblins)
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This stupid kid. You could literally make one or find others for cheaper!!
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Absolute bitch, someone was trying to save her money and she adds that smart ass question mark. Sorry people don't understand why you're wasting your money when it's not necessary at all???
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Here comes more ugly merch..
Eh I think there's a different standard for women. They have maternal instincts and whatnot. I can genuinely believe a girl would have maternal love towards a fictional character where a man probably doesn't.
I think Holly talking like a doting mom to anime people isn't really cow material. So many girls do it.
I'm not saying she's not nasty. But Shadman is way more gross. I don't believe he has any "motherly" instincts at all, whereas Holly probably has some.
But did she not say that she doesn’t want children as she is not programmed to like other girls?
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Goddamn it Holly, why don't you sell the shitty books you already have first
More importantly, why doesn't she finish
the projects she has first. Like. Finish another issue of Purgatory and finish the first issue of Paranormal Plague before you decide to drop 5K on some bullshit you prolly wont use by the time you're done with any of it.
she'll buy it and never touch it, like the rest of her hoard
and then complain about having no money
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Hi my name is holly brown I just keep buying expensive art supplies and shit i don't need because my stupid ass doesn't realize its not the tools that make me better its how i use the tools!maybe if I just keep buying expensive shit I can keep calling myself a professional even though i know very little in every single thing I "think" i know about art
Oh for fuck’s sake.
Seriously? Considering how many books she prints, with 5k she could easily complete two series. It’s not like everybody who self publishes buys MACHINES, print on demand services and real printing places exists for a reason.
You can easily attend a convention with 2/3k in books. You can do It with LESS than that, depending on the conventions you will have virtually no customers for sketchbooks or comics unless it’s a place that’s just that. I e self published comics conventions or stuff like that. And from that 2k you’re going to take expenses off really easily.
She’s buying all that super expensive crap when the only thing you need is a little taste and basic stuff. I would have invested in a banner instead, and it would still have costed less. Like fuck it’s your first convention and you have more stuff than actual publishers. The hell?!
Also fun fact: if you order your prints, they already come in boxes. You create the dividers and use the same box the prints were packaged in. And I can assure you it works perfectly.
When the truth bomb hits!
Being a professional is way more about your attitude and how you handle situations when under pressure.
All of this is very good.
Especially the last line. That's what I see a lot of artists using whenever I buy something from them at artist alley. They either use that or something they've made themselves.
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We all know how this is gonna end. She's complain about making them, breaking the machine somehow, or not properly make them to end up complaining even more while losing profit.
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She keeps making merch for customers that dont really exist yet
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oof. These are such random sketches/paintings
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So where's that lighting coming from?
yeah you gotta leave a bit to the imagination. But if none of it is appealing then. That's a problem. It'd be cool if there was a running theme for each sketchbook (even if it is random comic ideas) or if she shared some
of it and left the rest to sell digitally. She's just shooting herself in the foot because she seems so obsessed
with physical copies of product that won't move lol.
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It's called My Hero Academia, not My Hero University. Of course these fucks are underage in America.
I dunno why, but the art does look less holly-ish to me. Maybe that's just me.
stop being a fucking prissy anon, the characters are teenagers. pretty sure drawing teenagers kissing isn't fucking child porn lmao.
on another note, the style looks less like holly's at a glance, but if you look at it more than 2 seconds you can still notice the horrible anatomy… she draws the characters so 2 dimensionally. that's not how people kiss, holly
Cannot unsee huge chin on Bakugou.
Also, I know they're supposed to be kissing, but the longer I stare at it close-up, the more it looks like Bakugou is sniffing him.
Don't be like that, anon
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I know for a fact Holly reads Long Exposure, so it kinda caught me off guard to see that kiss pic. I have a feeling she heavily referenced this panel. (The LE art style is kinda abrasive at times too, but hollys is worse)
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"skew" is a very helpful tool just sayin'
>>508426>doesn't go to comic conventions because "comic conventions are just 35 year old men"
Wtf? Has she ever been to one? The comic scene
has become younger and at least 40% women (at least in my country, could ofc be different in USA), the average age might be 35 but the age range is like 10-80 in my experience. Professional comic artist my ass.
She just wants to go to anime cons because kids with bad taste go there to waste their money
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LEAVE BNHA ALONE YOU SPITEFUL TALENTLESS BITCH RRRRREEEEEEEEE
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1.Holy shit i cant wait for holly's fan art video I wanna see mare backlash lol
2.Holy shit she actually bought the book press WHAT A WASTE OF MONEY!
3.Now all of a sudden she realizes she can't make money off her actual shitty gay characters and has to make "Fan art" I also thought i heard a crak in there about not being a real artist if you make "fan art"
Regular con-goer here. You're not off the mark. It's similar in the US, at least on the western coast cons. It's said that you go to anime conventions to sell fanmade stuff, and comic conventions to sell original stuff.
Also, unless if it's a huge one or one in a good area (Bay Area cons are good because the attendees usually have disposable income), most anime conventions are attended by teenagers that have little to no money and gawk at prices. This is talking from personal experience. Yes, the attendees at comic conventions might be "older", but they're more willing to give new stuff a chance and they're more likely to have money to blow.
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So Holly confirmed for lurking here?
>>508870>tries to convince people she's not a fujoshi>uses the term BL
We were already pretty sure she lurks here. This is just more confirmation.
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Wait, is this you, anon?
Stop being a pussy the FBI and police literally dont give a fuck about two fictional characters fucking whether they're underage or not. Otherwise you'd have every naruto and anime artist sitting in prison.
back to holly, i doubt she's going to sell much even at animefest. i am texas based but even i dont want to take that risk of rooming with her.
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This is just a nitpick, but it drives me crazy when she says "idk" like a 100 times in a sentence. Do you know or not know, Holly???
>almost 130 likes
god is dead>>509337
>attempted gang rape
In bnha? No, it doesn’t, lol where the fuck did that come from???>>509494
It’s because she’s insecure. She’s unsure of anything that she does so she just tries to barely save face with “um idk um lol :)”.
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How does she even work with all that clutter? I'd Imagine that with all that she'd have to be constantly be moving shit around just to do something.
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my bad, then gangrape scene is from a spin off and not the actual bnha manga, but my point still stands.>>509494
she can't be looking at actual skulls when drawing this. surely they're from memory and no one can be that bad at replicating something they're looking at. the high schoolers in my VPA program could do better skulls than this.
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Honestly, I sell my original comic books and am a convention artist based in Texas and can usually pull a grand, even at anime cons. It all just really matters how well you market yourself and what you sell alongside your books.
I can't say for sure how good of a salesperson Holly is, but she really just seems like the kind of person to sit and draw at her table, expecting people to just stop and buy everything instead of interacting with passersby. Very asocial.
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This exactly. Maybe she should just know her threshold for discipline/work she's willing to do. She's always biting off more than she can chew and throwing money into a bottomless pit. She never finished the sketchbook challenge and now she's copping out on this. And these are like the easiest videos to make. You can shit them out in 20, 30 min, tops. But she's telling us she can't even do it once a week?
>muh but I work so hard
Yeah but you don't work smart
and I think that's what really matters here. I just think she lost interest because now she's losing her shit/obsessing over convention bullshit.
…Don't forget to actually finish you comic issues first, holly.
and make fan art.
and make merchendise.
and figure out the book press.
And get those pencil cases made.
In here she says that 10 hours is a ridiculous amount of time to work on a comic page, but… that doesn't really seem like a ridiculous amount of time to me? I don't know a lot about it, but from a quick 2 minute google that seemed pretty average for people working on webcomics. Does anyone with more knowledge have any input?
One thing I can think of that may be eating her time is that she's working at a ridiculous DPI (don't remember what it was, but it was way above standard for no real good reason) which is causing her to get caught up on details that won't even be legible in the printed size/whatever size people are usually viewing the page on their phones or computers.
That traced hand looks so ridiculous among all the shitty paw hands she draws. It's so obvious.
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I thought she was making one video per week, which gives plenty of time to draw, record, and edit since theres nothing much going on for her.
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I hate this fuckin hair-dangle shit she does. Sorry this is just a peeve of mine.
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quit trying to convince everyone he's a 'swole beef boy', Holly, his muscles aren't even placed right.
She could have just uploaded 5 minutes videos with no audio but she always have to over-complicate things.
It's even more ridiculous because she wants to sell and make her stupid comics (by herself, with a printing press) but she's not willing to devote 30 minutes to draw? The challenge did not require at all to upload long ass videos every day. She's a hypocrite.
And there she goes again bragging about how much she knows about comics when she's ignorant at best
I don't get Holly's big deal with being 'accountable' or whatever her excuse is. That's all she says throughout the video, "Oh, I could stop making the videos but then I wouldn't be accountable!" Then she starts saying she just doesn't want to post on instagram instead because she doesn't want to mess up her 'feed'. That's the opposite of accountable, dude, that's just making up excuses.
Also, it's the goddamn internet and you have 200K followers, nobody gives a shit about being 100% absolutely certain you did something you said. Your audience isn't your mom, and you aren't some big manga studio that has to get a chapter out a week, it's an internet challenge that some person made up. Get off your high fucking horse and just admit that you're lazy and can't prioritize a stupid meme challenge of all things.
By the way, her paneling is awful and amateurish at best. She's not the comic expert she claims to be.
And did she just said the main difference between a comic page and an illustration is the price?
You're right. She's always harping on about 'accountability', she even said it on day 1 of the challenge. She brought up the sketchbook challenge and I don't even remember her finishing it.
And I don't know where why tacked on the rule of "doing comics for 30 minutes for 100 days straight"? She could've batched it and done it in weeks. That's what, 14 weeks? I've seen people do the challenge that way. She could have divvied it up between social media, WIP pictures (because she is always posting consistently over on twitter at least, for what she's working on), and it coulda worked. She could've still been 'accountable'. She made so much shit so difficult.
But honestly I just think she's obsessed with the convention scene right now so she had to drop a few tasks she found less interesting to her. So much for accountability and professionalism.
Lol, nobody works harder than Holly Fucking Brown, you guys. She works so hard she can't possibly complete this challenge… because working on comics is so much harder than illustration. Don't you know that illustrators just shit out illustrations without a lot of hard work? Not like her comic process, noooo…. illustrators never have to thumbnail or reference or anything like that.
Holly Brown works sooo hard you guys, she works so hard, her job is way harder than those rubes who work in the fucking grocery store, lol, all they do is sit around and collect a steady paycheck.
She works so hard that completing a 30 day illustration challenge like inktober is totally beneath her, so obviously dropping out of a 100 day COOOOMIC challenge after 15 days means she works wayyy harder! Like, totally, my dudes!
She works sooo hard because she needs money,yo, so she can't afford to waste time doing stuff that won't make her money, but don't mention the fact she wastes so much money on cardboard boxes and fucking book presses.
Besides, none of you watching these videos even know anything about what she's talking about anyway. None of you are sophisticated enough to understand what goes into making coooomics enough to be worth making them. It's not like she could use the videos to educate people, lol, who do you think she is, an art youtuber? Lol.
Brilliant Deduction my dear anon.
Her ego and lack of commitment to these challenges will bite her in the ass eventually. You can only shit on everyone so much before people stop caring/watching.
There's so much bullshit it's hard even to breathe.
God, I wish she would stop assuming things about the industry and passing it as a FACT.
She OBVIOUSLY doesn't know anything and yet she keeps on acting like this.
30 dollars per ink is something you can accept only through small commissions or deviantart, and I wonder how she got these prices as she's never had any kind of formation or real job in the industry.
It's not like it's hard, it's not like it's time consuming, it's not like she doesn't have enough disk space (REALLY? You say your flatter should buy an external hdd to solve ram and cpu problems -lol- and YOU don't have an external hdd in which you can store or record videos?!) she just got bored of doing that thing every day. She even kind of stated it. She always says she works on comics daily but I doubt so, otherwise she would be so much further in PP; she works a lot when she feels like it, and since she claimed to work on pages for 12 hours in a row she needs to show 12 hours of footage or something EVERY DAY and that broke her.
She should have stayed humble, not bragging about how if you don't work on a comic page 12 hours per day you're not really making comics and how she works on comics daily anyway. But of course not, she had to rage about the comics because she DIDN'T want to spend that much on them but she kind of shot herself in the foot with the challenge.
Honestly there's so many ways she could have handled this thing from the get go. She just got bored, she wants to watch anime and draw fanarts. Like some other anon said, she right now has another interests and this challenge is having less views than other videos so of course screw that.
BUT STILL. Saying she works MORE than other people is reaching. She does that ALL THE TIME. She just assumes every other job is easier, when in reality she doesn't have real deadlines, she could take things easier as the majority of her incomes are from her shitty youtube videos she craps away. But of course she has to make it look like her webcomic is her main job…? I can't understand that reasoning. She never edits stuff that much and she's not fancy. She just speeds up the video, does a voiceover in one take so that she can be more natural, add a background music and an end card. The longest part is the voiceover and still it takes as long as the video. So…why is she playing the editing card? Minnie Small has really fancy videos and I can see how they take more to create, but Holly is just two clicks away from uploading the video right when she stops recording.>>510421
Comic Artist anon, here. Honestly it depends on a series of factors such as how quick you are at drawing, how complex your style is and how quick you are with perspective and inking.
For professional comics, 10 hours is fairly decent, but probably not enough if you count the colouring and shading in it. 10/15 hours should ideally suffice for proper storyboarding, penciling and inking IF you're quick. Of course there are people even quicker and people that needs to add tons of details and that are slower, the european market is not new to people working even one entire week on a single page, because Belgique and France are really serious about backgrounds and accuracy especially if you're drawing historical comics, so you need to work really big and detailed.
Same goes for coloring, depending on the kind of colouring, the deadlines and the details, it can take from one day to one week. If it's a simpler coloring and you work with a flatter, you can even color four pages in a day, and every page is different of course so you can sometime colour three pages in a day and another day you can only complete one. Of course if you have a tighter deadline or if you don't need that kind of accuracy you just go with whatever the pace is better for you, considering that the time you spare on a page (using tricks and shortcuts that help you becoming faster) can help you looking for other gigs.
For webcomics it's kind of different because there's people that uses it as its own medium, and use interactive panels, or use the scrolling option to create suspance, and if you work on a webcomic with the intent of print in mind it's better to aim at what works in print form instead of webcomic.
And yeah it's basically how you approach to a webcomic. Some can complete five or seven pages a week, other can complete only two, but it's again all depending on details and how fast you are.
The 24hour comics day is totally doable, and that makes you create 24 pages in 24 hours. 1 page per hour. With its limitations.
Holly's work though is so sloppy and inaccurate that all that time is literally wasted. She's slow because she doesn't know what she's doing, and she doesn't even plan her perspectives, everything is wonky and she cuts out what personally gives me the most issues while drawing a page: perspective grids.
Placing stuff in perspective, building rooms and cities, takes the most time for me because everything should be drawn using a scheme, grids, and it's something that can be eyeballed IF somebody cares enough to actually understand or practice a lot before; but she just draws something and calls it a day.
For the level of what she is doing she should take no less than two hours per page including the ink.>>510455
Some comic pages are quicker to realise than some illustrations, but of course you're not holly and you have a brain so you already know that. Sorry for reiterating.>>510436
And EVERYBODY has one. Same hair syndrome, lol.>>510346
She actually finished the sketchbook challenge, but she lied about doing it in time. She said she finished it in time and that she only needed to film the sketchbook tour, but she never shower her latest progresses and she took like what, one week? two? to film the video.
Weird that he has "arm muscle" but no shoulder muscles…
I just also wanna say that I personally hate how Holly writes her characters. They always seem to be either the "grumpy emotional one" or "the sarcastic one" or just some stupid archetype with no other definable trait.
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Anyone going here?
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Why are there asses on the hands?
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Okay. At first glance, the first time, I totally didn’t see the blood between Mabel’s and Dipper’s legs, now she’s thinking on selling this? It’s not funny.
Maybe people who understand the reference, haven’t matured at all in the last 6 years since it was popular and still find it funny?
But again, I don’t know what con would allow her to sell it.
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oh, so she didnt forget about the animatic..Whats with his arms?
Has Holly ever mentioned print prices at cons being too high? I feel like she might have once but I can’t remember. She’s selling her large prints for $10 right?
Traced, anon? If not that then heavily
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this is netter than her usual stuff but its still hella stiff. His eyes are differenr shapes, the buttons she draws always look off, AND HIS ARMS WHY
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lmfao so much for looking like a "buff" dude.
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i see no difference
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I just wanted to do this for fun, pls don't derail thread.
I see the shoulder muscle and elbow aren't in the right perspective, so I fixed it.>>511916
I wanted to draw Hershel with muscles, that's all. I have a few more I won't be posting, along with some other characters. I didn't mean to derail the thread sry i'll never post redlines again, only fanart sometimes maybe.
here we go again
(at least this time the art is pretty good)
I am strangely fascinated with Holly. >>511890https://i.gyazo.com/fce2f891e4ca55027929a0e9bd91a7ff.png
Here are the fixes I made, didn't want to upload and clutter the thread.>>511969
A change in color palette is also necessary imo. He doesn't look like any discernible ethnicity, and it messes with my head.
At this point no one cares.
Holly really needs to work on musculature if she wants to call any of her dudes 'beef' though.
Same Anon as >>511890
He's much improved now, nice work! I agree with >>512155
that I don't mind seeing good redlines/fixes but obviously it can be derailing. Maybe in OT
Holly will never be able to draw like that
calm down it's better than Holly's middle-school guess-drawing but it's still way off.
A separate thread for anons do-over attempts might be fun, if pointless
looks nice. At first glance I could't pick out anything wrong with it. >>512155
redlines are a great way to learn. I wouldn't mind seeing more redlines of her stuff from people who are skilled artistically
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While business cards are fine (although idk if she'll ever hand em out because she never goes outside), why is she buying con things when she hasn't even been accepted yet….
I'd be interested in a redraw/redline thread in /ot/.>>512322
because she has a huge ego. honestly I kind of hope she gets accepted and sees that no one gives a fuck about her shitty ocs from comics she's done all of 10 pages for.
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oh you'll get attention alright! From the shitty art that is
Why she wastes her money like that? What if they didn't accept her at the con?
She's so superficial, all about appearance.
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Something about this seems really wonky
It’s just cluttered and not attractive at all. A different color scheme and stronger/bolder text while cutting down on the amount of it would read better. And this is a business card or a postcard???
She mentioned wanting “bigger” business cards but this is silly. I’ve rarely kept any card this big unless it was someone I really admired or had great art on it.
It would also just be cheaper to do normal business cards than a run of postcards wouldn’t it…? She’s really jumping the gun with this con prep.
holly: meeeeh no one else likes Hamilton, it's so weird to like a musical about the founding fathers
literally everyone likes hamilton. shut up.
Graphic Design Is My Passion. This looks like a high schooler's first try at designing in Photoshop. The text is way too big and hard to read at a distance. Everything is too close together. She doesn't understand negative space at all.
The way Holly's preparing for this con really highlights her priorities. Instead of focusing on making appealing prints, she's buying expensive table skirts to attract people, spinning display stands and offering postcards instead of business cards and larger prints because she thinks "bigger is better", when no, people buy good art, not just cheaply priced art. She reminds me of some con artists who have spent hundreds printing their poorly drawn comics into glossy perfect bound books. I'm still going to spend my money on a staple bound zine from a more skilled artist.
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Come read all 5 pages of my comics my dudes!!!!
Has she given up on purgatory?? She barely talks about it and when she does it always sounds like an obligation. She doesn't seem to like it at all.
She's still working on it, at a snail's pace, because she's clearly stretched herself thin.
…You know, another part of being a professional is knowing your limits, and being honest with yourself on what you truly want to focus in on. Not piling as much work as possible on yourself to make yourself look busier or more 'official'. One completed project is better than 2 half-baked ones.>>512621
Also, the fact that she wants pink and puke on the front and all puke on the back boggles my mind lmao. None of those colors are consistent..
She doesn’t like PP either, she just thinks it will sell more because it’s supposedly funnier and in full colour. Purgatory was a mistake to her and soon she’ll realise that PP Is the same. It baffles me how little taste she has, about color, composition and basic graphic knowledge. I mean, okay not all artists have to know how to do everything because nobody is the same level at everything art related, but… this is seriously embarrassing and she doesn’t make up for it with actual good drawing or story or panelling. It’s a total 360 degree failure.
Also I speak from experience: double sided postcards works fine, if they have a decent illustration and a pleasing backing, but they’re NEVER to be done in place of business cards. You slip the postcards inside of your comics as a free print, so that people can find you. People who actually care for business cards have little to no space to carry around something bigger than literally a card they can put in their wallet.
She still fails to understand that you can look professional with minimalistic stuff if your art is solid and you’re q decent person. Instead she just tries to buy professionalism. Failing at it.
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Is she planning on having this Hamilton art book done by con time? She mentioned it in an earlier tweet but damn, she really goes for quantity over quality, doesn’t she?
>Instead she just tries to buy professionalism.
I guess she figures she'd cast a wider net because she's probably aware of/self conscious of how mediocre her art is. So the more she makes, the more she figures she'll sell. But it's all so very unfocused and it might end very badly for her.
And also no matter how much money she makes, it'll probably be a glass half empty situation, and she'll probably blame every other thing except herself for her shortcomings.
Holy fuck this is such a waste of money and mind numbingly inefficient. She would save so much more money just doing small runs every so often or smaller books or whatever.
She doesn’t even know how any of this will work out, there is a learning curve for this kind of thing she now has to squeeze into con prep for a convention she isn’t even guaranteed a spot at yet.
She’s trying to make herself seem pro and know-it-all, but it’s really telling how amateur this all it. This is ridiculous.
If she doesn't get in it will be the cons fault.
If she gets in but doesn't sell well it will be the attendee's fault for being too cheap.
She will never learn from her mistakes because she will always blame someone/something else for her shortcomings.
I understand wanting to be prepared for a show but she is inflating her overhead too much. Certain purchases are an investment for future shows, (stands, easels, tablecloth, etc) but I think she is putting too much on these events that she is not even accepted to yet.
She may have quite a shock and a bit of dept if she doesn't get in.
So I finished watching the whole video and I’m so dumbfounded. The show she signed up for isn’t until august but she is planning on having FIVE BOOKS, plus stickers and prints, to be available to purchase.
Does she not realize how much time, effort, and money this will all take? Not only to just produce the artwork she hasn’t completed yet (a 47 pg Hamilton book and 120 pgs of PP), but to hand create ENOUGH of the five books to have people buy them?
And was really ticked off about her comment about comic conventions not being the place for her special artwork to be sold at because her shit is too ~*girly*~. Comic show artist alleys are just like anime conventions’. Hell, I would even argue she would have an even easier time selling at a comic book convention because anime convention artist alleys are hardcore and those tables have lots of other things to offer other than mediocre prints and stickers and her original comics.
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There's that 50$ cardboard box. Ive never seen anyone waste this much money. I dont think even Baylee is that dumb to purchase it, or is she..
She must REALLY like this fic to make a video reading it off, and drawing fan art about, and then
try to see if she can sell at a convention. Like, she must think it's real
The first one was god awful, like she shouldn’t even share it. Admittedly the second one was much better and had a clearer vision, but the reason she can never finish this shit is because she wants to show off her “animation skills” when she would probably do a much better job and maybe finish something is she just learned some story boarding shorthand. Like… I know it’s an animatic, but we don’t need the flag animated or shown frame by frame the gun twirling.
She’s constantly trying to run before learning to walk. It’s not professional or endearing, it’s frustrating as all hell because it’s so ass backwards, ugh. She talks about these things to learnedly and passionately, you’d think she’d be serious about actually STUDYING how these things work, but nah she just trying to show everyone how pro and smart she is????
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Why can't she stick to one thing?
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"Graphic design is my passion" – Holly Brown
I hated how she put stipulations on the sketchbook slam. Like you should only draw your OC’s or practice things your bad at only. (She made a video on it shitting on people taking the challenge who drew fanart or simple sketching)
She missed the point of her own fucking challenge, to get into the habit of daily sketching. It shouldn’t matter what you draw as long as you’re drawing. Her fucking arrogance pisses me off.
Ot. But part of me wants to challenge her at at her own stupid challenge just to shut her the fuck up. Ugh sorry.
I think it may have been in the video where she shit on her flatter?
But yes she has. Hypocrite Brown…
She's so unfocused. Lol. She wants to do all this work, and then
be ready for a convention. Ok.
She's deluding herself into thinking she'll be ready with all this stuff by August, and maybe if she pared it down to just a few things, she might, but even judging by her vlog, she doesn't even know how she'll be getting there or where she'll be staying which should've been the first thing (besides knowing she had a spot for sure) she focused on.
if she really gets her priorities straight she might be ready for next year's con season, but this year? Nah. With all the dumb purchases she's making and all the projects she's trying to push out (not because she's passionate about any of it, but because she wants to turn a buck), She'll only just be barely prepared.
Imagine her having a table next to someone else much more skilled and passionate and prepared. They'll outshine her. Especially with her color choices, the only thing that'll stand out about her is her damn tablecloth but it'll be like nothing but puke is on it because she has no color sense.
She'll be lucky to make back her table, the cost of her trip all her idiotic purchases AND taxes if she's gotta pay any.
Any other con artists correct me if i'm wrong on something, here…
Nah, you nailed it on the head. She’s got too much overhead and she keeps stacking on the costs on. This is not well thought through.
I don’t understand why she wouldn’t have asked others artist who frequent table or at least read a few message boards on it if she’s too insecure to ask. But that would be the logical thing to do.
Because she knows everything and what she think is the best. She mentioned flying somewhere if I’m not wrong: how is she planning on carrying all of that equipment with her?
And her table skirt will look like shit really soon because she can’t treat stuff properly. A stained table skirt is something that would ideally make people walk over the booth
Con Artist here, and you pretty much nailed it. Most con artists I know of prep their art a year in advance, and then start a few new ones up to half a year before the con, so they can keep up with the current stuff. Books-wise, some do 1-2, and most have existing works that they throw into a zine along with non-posted material.
Though it's not unrealistic to put out more new books per year, the people that usually do work at a very fast pace, on top of their freelance/webcomic/non-art-related jobs (Reapersun and Lucid come to mind). Holly works at a snail's pace and is thinking too far ahead into the future when she really shouldn't. She also has to make Youtube videos on top of that, and she complains about how long it takes to make them. She needs to pick up the pace when it comes to drawing and focus.
The fact that she's printing them herself is also not ideal. I can understand prints, but books? In the words of another artist I follow, time is money, and the time you spend making/printing books could be done drawing or improving.
And if she's making charms as she said in one of her videos, she pretty much has to have them in before con season if she wants them finished on time, roughly before May where I'm at. Sometimes people get lucky and get theirs in a short time, but on my end and some others I know, it's been a nightmare, so we try to have our charm quota finished before a certain date.
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Dream on, Holly. No way you'd win this amongst a sea of smarter/hard working artists
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Can we just talk about how much of a sociopath she is ?
>"my dads kicking the bucket"
who the fuck talks that way about a parent she must really not give a fuck about them
>"dealing with my mom when she's emotional is alot"
No shit holly the man your mom married to conceive you is fucking dying and you can't be bothered to consul her AT ALL
I she gets kicked out soon
she's such a self absorbed asshole
She's basically turning this to > Poor me, I dont want to deal with all these people, who brought me into this world that I dont care about. They're so annoying blah blah blah
I feel so bad for her parents to have a daughter like this.
Meh. I get this way when people die too, it's like a weird jokey denial phase, or like not wanting to think about it because emotions are complicated–especially since she wasn't raised by her dad and he's been dying slowly for a while now.
I wouldn't have posted something like this, because it comes off very bad. But I'm not surprise given how immature she is and how little she understands PR.
Eh. I don't really think anyone should read into this as her being sociopathic.
I think Holly admitted that her relationship with her actual biological mom and dad was sorta estranged and troubled to a point where her aunt stepped in as her mom. With all that I think it just speaks to Holly being distant from her dad and also too immature to know how to handle grief properly.
TBH sometimes I feel bad for her because some of the information she puts out there about her past makes me think that she needs to go to therapy…
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This might be just me nitpicking, but why does she share so much with the internet.
this is really poor taste. "oh dad'said kicking the bucket, guess I'll take his room"
just. bad form.
She shares it all because she has no filter, and no friends
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jfc she complains a lot
While this is true there have been positive videos where Holly said she hung out with/ spent time with her biological dad. I won't pretend I know what kind of person Holly's dad is but it's pretty disrespectful to act like this even if it was a stranger dying.
Still, I guess kudos to her for not using her dad's death as a way to get pity points from her audience like may other youtube artists would of done.
She's not very good at graphic design. The composition and look is just inconsistent and unappealing. >>513697
People who have a shit relationship with their parents do. It's kinda tassteless to post that verbatim but I get it. We don't know what happened between her and her parents. >>513967>>514013
It's definitely gross to sort out his shit and plan on moving into his room before he's even dead though.
On the con topic though, I'm genuinely speechless that she bought a fucking book press lmao, is she trying to start a publishing company for her own stuff exclusively? It's like she doesn't even consider the labor cost of printing everything herself and making back the initial investment.
Why does she need printed books of her random doodles that are all on her Twitter/IG? Who's going to buy that? Just buy a long-arm stapler for 15 bucks and make a small zine of themed sketches and print them on your fucking wide-format printer that you already own. What's next, is she going to buy a risograph? A silk screen kit? If she likes making books so much she should just get a job in a print shop or something, she seems more passionate about making merch than making art.
Holly is not autistic. She is a cut and dry narcissist who has very little care for anything but herself. Other people are to be used for her benefit and she gets pissed when they need anything from her. Her lack of empathy in this situation reflects poorly on her and shows just how much of a self centered prick she really is.
Please stop with the autism thing. She’s not autistic. She’s a spoiled brat.
Exactly, thank you.
I don’t know who started the whole “Holly’s autistic” thing but it needs to stop. She has none of the signs or mannerisms of someone with autism. This is just a lazy excuse for her shitty personality and bad behaviour.
Also her art would probably be exponentially better if she were autistic. As these individuals will usually have an area in which they excel at. Maths, art, puzzles (building things), etc.
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I also have an autistic brother and Holly reminds me of him in some ways (especially the lack of social and financial skills, impulsiveness, no interest in self-improvement, etc). Basically, imagine Holly but with a special interest in computers and coding.
Not saying that she is autistic but I wouldn't be surprised if she was. But yeah, it wouldn't excuse her shitty behavior.
(And I'll stop there because armchairing is stupid)>>512619
I actually like the concept for this a lot tbh, but the execution is terrible. I made a quick edit but something like image attached would look slightly better and would work for a 3.5x2 business card with rounded corners (sorry, didn't feel like touching the text). Though, I would probably pick a different illustration to feature on the front since it doesn't say much about the comic.>>512621
should be it's own separate card and have all her relevant social media handles on it (along with portfolio).
That would be logical anon.
Plus she may actually have to adult like a normal person.
I've seen the concept before too but I still think it's interesting. It all depends on the execution.
I think if she changed the font and color palette it could probably work (either change the green or the illustration). It would passable enough for someone not to throw away.
No one started it. She took a test with her mom who works with autistic children I believe, and scored really high. She then said that she believes most artists are on the spectrum, which is obviously not true.
Also not all autistics are savants or exeptional in anything.
Yeah if it's not about her, she doesn't give a shit.She's very self-serving, even when she's doing herself a disservice.
And when I look at her work as a whole, it actually sort of bores me. It's bland. So it's hard to imagine her art on merchandise, much less it selling unless the buyer was a fan/had mediocre taste.
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It's not that hard if you have a grasp of color theory, but I guess if you pick butt-ugly eyesore color palettes for your characters, then it becomes harder to pull off. Also…difference in skin tone really shouldn't matter when it comes to "color harmony", again, so long as you have a grasp of how light behaves on certain surfaces and how that affects their color. I'm gonna stop myself here otherwise I'm gonna go into a huge color theory rant.
idk, I see "color harmony" in this tweet and look at her work and something tells me she might be thinking of…something other than color theory.
This is actually true though. It's important to have a good color pallet for each individual character but you also have to make sure they look good in a group.
The thing is, you're supposed to plan this BEFORE you start drawing your comic. You;ll save yourself a lot of trouble and a lot of consistency editing in the future.
Roughly a year ago, I used to like Holly's videos and thought about buying her comic, but then I saw the state of her room and her cats everywhere, and decided against it. I'm deathly allergic to cats and seeing them prowl everywhere in her vlogs gave me so much anxiety.>>512636
Late to the party, but she does not know how to use Adobe Premiere. There are easier ways to speed it past the limit, if she'd just do her research. Also, that resolution is unnecessary. No wonder she takes so long making her videos.
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So…is Holly not aware that her home address was exposed on her vlog
That is very careless of her. I think she’s done it before though… and then complained when she started to receive awful mail.
I think she does this shit on purpose honestly.
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oh jeez…She's gonna waste so much money when its supposed to be the opposite
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Thats a sociopath like I said before
PPl are disagreed are fucking retarded
Her dads dying and she's calling dibs on his shit , talking about how she cant deal with her mom being emotional while HER FATHER DIES,and constantly talks about how she hope/"knows" she getting into conventions she's applying for.
You guys are right shes no autistic
She's a fucking sociopath Plane and Simple
Hence the total disregard for the safety of her family when displaying private information.
100% agree anon.
y'all are saying sociopath, but honestly i think NPD fits her to a tee
> exhibit a grandiose sense of self-importance, need for excessive admiration, and lack of empathy. They may display a sense of entitlement, believe they are exceptionally unique and can only be understood by or associated with an elite few, and/or be preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, beauty, intellect, or ideal love. Nonetheless, the appearance of superiority and arrogance actually masks the thin-skinned sensitivity to rejection, criticism, or defeat. Their arrogant attitudes, behaviors, and interpersonal exchanges primarily serve to enhance and maintain self-esteem. Limited empathic responses are characteristic of these individuals and the motive behind any seemingly altruistic behavior is to enhance self-esteem.
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Ew..who would pay to look at these forever
No, you don't
what a waste of time and materials.
That stuff COULD be her way of coping. It sounds shitty, but in my experience, family get weird when someone is dying. They don't always act reasonably.
It's easy to assume Holly is being a soulless jackass but I really don't think that's the case. She's socially awkward and dealing with death.
I see we have some psychiatrists in this thread, so glad you could join us.
No but really, the armchairing needs to stop. The autism too, we can speculate but ultimately there's no way to knnow.
Does anyone else find it weird that she only uses male pronouns to address her audience?
idk, I've noticed it in a couple of other videos and just find it really odd…
God this is insufferable. She's so obnoxious all the time, but her reviews are particularly terrible because she doesn't know how to use the tools she's reviewing
. She just keeps hoarding supplies and misinforming people with half-formed opinions on things she literally cannot use.
>reviewing brush pens>"Yeah these aren't great markers, they're more like brush pens."
That kind of waterbrush is soluble when is just placed on paper or on a plastic surface. By the way, crappy review, did it need 30 minutes?
And why is she so proud of that profile, it’s ugly and misses all of the cranium.
Sophira Lou just did a review of their products last week and it was a hell of a lot better than this garbage.
I know Holly watches and comments on Sophira's videos. She always sounds so condescending in them too. Like no one fucking asked you Holly fuck the hell off.
I think this may have been one up video to the one SL did… It is a pretty damn big coincidence that the two of them are doing a review of the same products in such a short amount of time… Just saying
Not to wk but she explicitly said that the paper isn't good for watercolor and that the pens aren't like watercolor.
Imo this is slighly better than her god awful huion lightbox review, but I still don't get why companies send her stuff. Guess they don't care as long as they get eyes on their products.
i'm late but i really wanna put in my two cents about this.
as much as i dislike holly i completely understand this reaction. when my parent passed i was in a state where i was so overwhelmed that i was numb and confused, i didn't really react "properly", my family was concerned for me because i was acting like i wasn't phased by it, i was extremely stone faced, i was even talking to my friend on skype and said "i think my parent just died" after getting a call from family then went about everything that night like it was normal, their death eventually hit me a few months later. while the whole "moving into my dad's mancave thing" is absolutely inappropriate and borderline heartless, i think everyone is looking too into everything else in this particular tweet. i don't think holly's annoyed about dealing with her mom, i think she's overwhelmed, it's hard to deal with a mourning parent when you're their child, must be especially weird since her parents aren't together. also it's twitter, she's not going to do some dumb cry typing shit. even i tweeted about my parent's death. i see her tweet as a "heads up i'm gonna be dealing with some shit right now" she definitely used poor choice in words "kicking the bucket" doesn't seem genuine but that doesn't necessarily mean she doesn't give a shit, i think it says more about how little thought she puts into the shit she says which has always been an issue with her. i don't agree with the whole "sociopath" or "autistic" shit everyone's saying about her but she's definitely a narcissist.
i'm not really a fan of holly after i've been lurking her threads for almost a month now but in this scenario i want to give her some slack unless she tries to use her father's death to her advantage like manipulate people into giving her more money because of it or some shit.
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Even if she gets in, there's no way she'll make this money back. I'd be genuinely impressed if she broke even.
She may be going for a premium both or on the vendor floor (not artist alley) to garuntee a slot. idk
It will also depend on the show. Some are a lot more than others
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Again, theres no need to post every little thought/feeling she has….sorry if this is nitpicking a bit
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Hate to tell you this but after 13 years of witnessing con autism I've seen artists that would draw "smexy chibis" with rosa art markers make money back both at Akon and Afest
That's true what I saw they were really, really bad 2008 deviantart tier trash BUT they were cheap. $5 cheap for commissions and laminated keychains.
Last time I went Akon, the artists there were super bitchy about this one artist selling her prints super cheap, so I can only imagine Holly also getting called out by artists at Afest for being super Jewy with horrible art.
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yeah, we only ever use art from three years ago kek
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I mean, certainly doesn't look like she knew what she was doing
What's the deal with this new "anti-critique" idea that critics need to give you some sort of answer on how to fix your art? In the few years of college art of taken, the point of crits wasn't to hold your fucking hand and tell you what to do, it was to tell you something doesn't work and that it needs to be better.
You tell an artist they have same face syndrome, they go figure out how to change it themselves bc it's they're goddamn art style not yours. You tell somebody their colors look like vomit, they look up color theory, not ask you to color pluck it for them. First it was "don't like it don't look", now it's "don't like it then photoshop it yourself"
Lol this isn't new. It's literally what you're taught in art school as good critique. You generally point out the issue and offer suggestions, such as "the composition is too centered, I think it would look more balanced if x was more to the right." If you don't know how to fix it, you provide specific details. Same face syndrome example: "all your characters look similar. The noses are all the same shape, so varying the shape of the nose is a good place to start."
Literally, that's what good critique is. Telling someone their art is bad and same facey and to fix it isn't good critique, no matter what you tell yourself.
Yes to this. It shouldn't matter the level of skill someone has if something looks off in an image it probably is.
Too many of the mediocre creators have way too much ego, Holly being number 1 on the list. They all need a hard reality check.
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I can't wait for her printer to break again cuz of her own mistake
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Goddamn, I always hated the way she holds pencils, pens, etc. It's like looking at a 10 year old who's coloring in their coloring book. This is the result to the unnecessary chicken scratch lines
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I was about to say that this looked pretty decent until I saw those hands, weird right arm, and hella short legs on the guy who is closer to us
Also, did you guys notice, that both their bodies are tangenting very
badly? Midoriya is literally growing out of Bakugo's torso lmao. Draw through, Holly!
They're just licking each other's wounds lmao. rebeccca has fugly art with same face/nose, no matter what video you end up watching whether it's from a yr ago or today.
Holly shouldn't even start, her art's fugly too so it makes sense they'd both be crybabies over it.
How is it planned obsolesence if you're too dumb to remover the cover off the cartridge and break the chip? Does she even know what that means? >>516852>people never complain about same face on concept artists or fine artists
Even if that were true, how does it change the fact that you have sameface art and should work on it lmo
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Oh shit she's already done it. There's gonna be piles of unsold products in her room covered in cat hair in the near future
tbh I might if I knew the artist and loved the material, I love concept books and such
but jfc one look at the scooter guy's leg and foot and I would be putting the book back down. I don't want garbage on my shelf.
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Do we know more about what she means by that?
I think she meant seeing "family's" (SIC) that AREN'T broken and crazy and realizing that that's "normal people"
She just can't type/write for shit
I could be reaching but it seems like Holly is the type to do shit just for attention. Maybe her family put too much pressure on her or wasn’t around enough due to obligations or something but it seems like she just wants people to pay attention to her good or bad.
Something always seems un-genuine about
her. Probably just her personality pisses me off. Again reaching.
Please holly, tell us everything about your child abuses. Because usually people don't just shit this kind of infos online for attention.
Maybe she really had horrible things going on, but seeing how she over exaggerate every little thing I doubt she was abused as a kid.
Ok so this is all the stuff I know because me and my friend had a brief fascination with her and she had NO FILTER on her now deleted vlogs.
In those vlogs she admitted the reason why her aunt was her mom and her biological parents werent around was because they were both drug addicts(its also the reason why her dad is dying). And apparently her early childhood got so out of control that her aunt stepped in.
Alsooo in those same vlogs her relationship with both her immediate and extended family seemed strained as a lot of the times it seemed very angry and shouty. Even her siblings didnt really seem to have it together because she seemed to talk about her brother being a "fuck up" constantly and her adult sister seemed to be asking Holly for money quite a lot.
I suppose she COULD be lying about ALL of that in her vlogs. But at the same time remember that she also has "no filter." Which is why those vlogs even existed at all.
Tbh I thought the whole "mental illness/autism" discussion that people were having earlier was really stupid. But at the same time all her very obvious problems (her social issues, impulsive behavior, no filter talk, warped sense of reality) could just be from a fucked up childhood/home. But who knows if its even true at all.
Thanks for the info, anon!
In my opinion, I think you're right about the family issue being why she's messed up, because her spending too much money or complaining about people publicly is normal people stuff (fuck, just look at this board for the latter).
Saying she's mentally ill doesn't give her any responsibility (besides getting treatment). Holly is just being dumb.
Even if it sucks coming from a shitty home you don't have to be shitty yourself, so I hope she doesn't take that route to say we have no right to complain.
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Does she ever re-read whatever she tweets…
The answer is "none", Holly, you're definitely
not qualified to be giving out printing information.
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>My videos are not towards children!!!
>90% are under 18
Also what "muscle"???
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But Holly can't even make good art…This will truly be a challenge
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Both still bad
that jaw though.
And what is with her and her eye bleeding color choices? It's either bright neon or ugly throw up. It's never in between.
I have no idea but I think the ugly green one wants to fuck holly's OC husbando.
Pretty sure her self insert character is going to get him in the end, but as a fujo she can't resist the "smexy bl" shit.
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What does this even mean?
I'm not sure if I'm stupid for not making sense of it or if it's Holly being shitty at talking again.
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Er…can't she stop tweeting for every fricken thing.
you need to get your eyes checked
That anon was agreeing with you.>>519926
I would have never thought of this, but this makes the most sense.>>520187
Wow she's abhorrent.
Didn't see the period after 'this'.
reese was probably that vine thingy (or an extension of it) that Herschel was fighting in the first few pages of the comic. I would not be surprised at all given the lame "I've seen this in a hentai before" joke.
…I sincerely hope I'm right and I spoiled it.
But hey, molestation is funny when it's yaoi, amirite guys /s
Honestly I hate this. Fujos are so annoying! Really undermines legitimate and healthy m/m relationship rep. Fucking annoying when they are like her too, on a fucking high horse but just as bad as other fujo.
Holly’s character really do feel like flat, 2-dimentional versions of 90s anime character archetypes.
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Christ she got in, now I have to go.
Calm down child, no way she'll be making 3k+ profit.
If she days she does that'll be a lie.
Guess that makes it fair for anyone, you can get in even if you've got shit art and gross greasy boys like Holly Brown!>>520906
Overall it has to do with fairness I suppose. Someone's page might crash due to the heavy load if it's first come first serve or they cant' take off the time to sit in front of a computer to book a table. A judging panel would take too long but would make for a better quality AA.
San Japan has a tendency to sell out in 2-5 minutes, so to make it more fair, this was their first year implementing the lottery sign-ups.
I got lucky enough. I'm looking forward to seeing what she's got, but hoping she won't be a table neighbor. With the way she keeps her room, I can't imagine how she'll keep her con table organized
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Looks pretty ok…but where is the light source? It's confusing me
The shading makes them look like they're all mass at the bottom with a flat top, too, like they're marshmallows or something.
This person made a boob drawing tutorial, jfc
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the angle of the hands is wrong, it looks like the wrists are snapped (or the reference pic was something like gif related)
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that hair blendin in with his skin
it looks like she's standing in piss.>>521795
And still, bad tangent line, as Midoriya is literally growing out of bakugo's torso, and there isn't any second leg to speak of or sense of balance. she'd have better luck cropping it at this point.
That’s what happens when you don’t understand foreshortening, you contort the body into weird poses in order to avoid it as much as possible.
As for the other anons who said she traced the hands, I really doubt that. There are so many mistakes and I know Holly knows how to trace better than that looking back at the skulls she traced for her comic a while back.
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She really goes to great lengths to keep that eye covered, but not for any of the other characters. I kind of feel like there might be some sort things f “reveal” later on with it. Like maybe she’s got some sort of monster eye.
But maybe that’s giving Holly too much credit
Yes, the shoulder is off. So it the back and neck, she looks like a hunch back.
The extended leg is too long and out of proportion.
The bent leg, like the other anon mentioned, is off at the knee but also the ankle and foot perspective are slightly off.
The hand doesn't make sense for the pose.
The hair looks like a helmet/plastic because apparently, she doesn't understand gravity or how it works.
Which also explain why the pose feels like it is floating there is no sense of gravitational force.
Also, it looks like she has three boobs.
Did I miss anything?
I can't really complain too much about the covered eye thing. Even if there is no big reveal like >>521980
suggested I feel like it's not that big of a deal since this character is the only one that has it and since it just feels like an intentional part of the character design.
that's one square ass>>521883
her upper body looks too wide (esp shoulders), unless it's her trying to do the ~foreshortening~
The easiest way to spot tracing is to look for enhanced level of line detail, and understanding of perspective that wasn't there before. The foreshortening in the cupped hands is drawn perfectly, while the foreshortening in her arms is messed up. Since we know Holly openly traces why wouldn't she here. The shoes look traced in the other drawing because the perspective is accurately drawn and and very detailed, while the pants and shirt and head don't have that same level of line detail.
I'm not against tracing "morally", it can be a good learning tool, but it makes your drawings look juvenile when you trace photos for some parts of your drawing. I can't believe she pushes this way of drawing onto her young audience who probably draw worse than her.
Pretty sure many thought she misused a reference which made the arm/hand posing all wonky. This isn't decent.
If she had traced the hands (as she has before as >>522021
stated), the hands would look better. But the perspective on the reference photo vs what she drew isn't the same, hence people also pointing out why the arms are weird and the pose is stiff and unnatural.>>521883
kek it feels like she unintentionally foreshortened the wrong leg. Back leg is scary long especially since our eyes want to naturally see foreshortening.
Also her boobs take up a hell of a lot of space there and she looks like a hunchback.
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Anyone besides me found this hecka cringey?
jfc, she sounds like a 16 yr old boy going "hehe anime tiddies xD"
Isn't she like 23 or something
So she traced >>521883
and it still ended up looking weird…how?!
>>522927>using a shitty pose app >calling yourself a professional
Why does she keep going backwards lmao? I did this shit in Poser 4 in 2008 and even then it was considered lazy and dumb, just her moving the body parts around makes it painfully clear that the rig is trash and the muscles aren't even accurate because someone just roughly modeled it. Just do your fucking studies Holly, you can't draw someone lying down? Fuck. I was the anon who posted >>522010
, gonna eat my words I guess.
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I mean, she is half right I guess. But she is not an industry professional, she is not rotoscoping an animation or in any sort of serious deadline crunch or honestly doing anything particularly difficult to say shit like “time is money, gotta cut corners”
Learning proper form and drawing from life would also strengthen your skills and reduce time taken on a piece inst as of tracing a shitty, cheap rig from a phone app… these are not meant to be used for tracing, just for blocking and figuring out a decent look at perspective/foreshortening. It’s up to the artist to make changes and improve upon it for their benefit.
I guess Holly can do whatever she wants but fuck, she runs a YouTube channel boasting about being a pro and offering tips and she endorses doing cheap shortcuts like this? It's not something I would fucking share with the world, and it just seems like a crutch she’s really leaning into lately.
This is the same person that was against every form of REFERENCE. It’s like she discovered it’s easier to trace and got that route. No she doesn’t need to save time and yes tracing can be useful and a learning tool if done properly. But she’s doing it wrong, for the wrong reasons and telling people it’s OKAY to do so. People who are perfectly capable of drawing won’t really follow her advices because they’re crappy so she’s talking to -again- young people making feel then entitled to trace the crap out of poorly shaped mannequins.
She’s getting so sad it’s not even funny anymore.
She's what 21-22 at most? So you're telling me that she's been a professional since she was 11-12?!
I get she is making an odd comparison but NEW FLASH Holly! Actual professionals know how to fucking draw! And when using reference will put the pose through an artists eye! Disney animators would always filter the rotoscoping really capturing the essence of the pose, gesture of the movement. Not make a shitty tracing job and then whine about not having time. FFS!
>>522927>The legs are too long!uses transform tool to shrink them
This is supposed to be how an artist works? The legs still look long, but now they look out of perspective and disproportionate.
She should have removed length from the calves and thighs, and used her own knowledge of anatomy to make them look correct. Instead she just uses the laziest possible method.
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Why is she so hard on herself
This reminds me of the inktober controversy she went through with using digital art to 'ink'. As a digital artist myself, I don't want to agree with people against it, but holy shit does Holly make every single argument they have true.
Using the transform tool to shrink instead of actually fix? Using the morph/liquify tool to fix everything while not fixing lineweight/redrawing afterwards? Using overlay layers instead of actually knowing color theory? Check check check.
Jesus Christ, if any professional traditional artist saw all the shit she does of course they would think digital artists are scum.
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I mean, people are not using drugs to 'fix' themselves. It's great that Holly tries to work on herself but I really hope she gets help from a professional at one point.
She never really updated us with her weight loss and everything, but you know, your mental state is often reflected by your surroundings and I've never seen her room even remotely clean. This is not supposed to be armchair-ing btw.
Holly seems to have a tendency to repress every single emotion until it explodes all over social media and her work. If she's not doing that then she seems to harshly beat herself up for having emotions.
TBH that prolonged shit is what makes you end up hurting yourself all over again and/or worse, killing yourself.
Get some fucking help, Holly.
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here we go again
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Do we know if HC even reads comics? I feel like she’d learn a shit ton just from observing other artists’ work.
For example, Terry Moore is a pretty prolific artist with a few awards. She could learn a lot just from him.
go dammit holly, do you even know that there are chemical aspects to depresssion? like of course not everyone needs meds but someone with mayor depression should be prescripted (in most of the case), and like >>523610
said, they are just a medium to an end. Like, just brain literally isnt making some of the shit it needs to and theres an unbalance
also meds are or should be monitorized by a psychatrist and a psychologist so you dont end up with dependency(i know this doesnt always happend but she sould use..idk, those 3K in a booth!? and get some good a+ help)
ffs holly please go to therapy
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More like she just made the lines thinner…
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There's basically nothing happening in the first one, why would she need a third? She should just fix her pacing.
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She spent so much money on supplies to be able to print books and can't afford a proper paper cutter so she wants to hand cut all of her books.
And she couldn't spend an hour building a box and spent $60 on it because it's not worth her time, kek.
Lmao! She's spending all this time and money on learning curves that she's not really making any progress on the actual production of art, is she…
You guys think she'll be prepared for SanJapan?
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This is probably the most relatable thing I've ever heard her say. Saged for slightly ot
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how much do you guys bet she'll say dumb shit to try and justify/deny her fujo status like "i don't relate to girls, i relate so much to guys cuz girls suuck and are so high maintenance"
holly, sweetie, we all know you're a fujo. you don't need to make a whole video about it bc it'll just make it worse kek