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Holly Brown is an artist YouTuber who specializes in hypocrisy, terrible anatomy and most importantly starting projects she can never finish.
Youtube (Vlog Channel): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgeEynuhGskPjgNR5DjbZmw/feed
Her Website: https://www.hollycbrown.com/
Her Store: http://hollybrown.storenvy.com/#_=_
The CalArts Rant she is known for:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvnD-9XOs5k
>22-year-old freelancer artist who does youtube, lives with her mom (aunt), and runs an online store>She hates her brother and constantly sperges about him whenever she gets a chance. Was known to keep bashing him on a live stream once (way after he went away)>Takes on too many projects at once, then complains about it afterwards>Constantly bitches on twitter>Is a big hypocrite, the type to give advice and then do the total opposite>Thinks she is a professional hardworking artist when in reality she is a stay at home slob who can never finish anything>Shits on other artists>Always talks about how she doesn't have money and how ""poor"" she is but is constantly seen (and broadcast on Twitter/social media) buying unnecessary items>When she buys said items, she brags about how great they are, then is known to disregard them (usually sell them) about a week or so after using them>Always talks about trying to earn money from various art projects, but it never works>Cant take criticism to save her life, she will usually respond with something passive or aggressive or blame it on her style.>Is a complete FUJO, but yet complains about Fujoshis, a total hypocrite>Hates women and just wants to draw "teh gays">Has no friends and is cooped up inside her house. Her room is very filthy.>Cant spell or write for shit. Has terrible grammar anything she writes is confusing. (Also goes and shits on people for not knowing how to spell)>Has a terrible personality in general
In The Previous Thread:>Normal Usual holly shit: Can't manage money, selling and buying things on a whim, cleaning up her room little by little>Finally got a gym membership and is getting out the house. Is trying to cook but fucks things up and can't follow recipes.>Creates a "hot yaoi smex doujin" (gay porn comic) but it has terrible anatomy and is generally repulsive. The said comic features her characters, Reese and Hershel. Reese kidnaps Hershel and rapes him. (To Note: She always complains about Fujos putting rape and heteronormative characters in their stories…yet does the exact same thing herself). The comic is named, "Seize" It can be found here: http://hollybrown.storenvy.com/products/23942157-seize-nsfw-mini-comic >Also creates a BNHA (Boku No Hero Academia/My Hero Academia) Zine. She starts off by saying she hired 100 artist- but the number is seen to fluctuate (80,60 etc) when Brown describes it. The Zine is called "True Colors" because of the horrendous color pallet she forced everyone to use. The Zine Can be found here: https://tictail.com/truecolorsmha/true-colors-zine-mha >First off, she is late for the deadlines with her own art for the zine, she will not release the PDF to the participating artist, says she will make many copies but currently just has supplies for around 50 copies, Her art pieces look shitty (as normal) but at least the other artist are good>She is fucking the artist over because they are young and don't know any better>Constantly gets angry whenever someone asks questions about the zine and its progress> """Redisning""" some of her characters but they pretty much still look the same, ended up whitewashing Princess (her black girl oc) and claims she is more cuter>Her brother returns and is living with her again (at her aunts)>Went on a Keto diet for about a day, then quits>Going to have our comics printed professionally while she prints the zines her self>Wants to create another zine of her art pieces only>Keeps wining about the artists she screwed over getting mad at her ignoring their emails and not updating them about her progress on the zine books>She refuses to send the PDF of the zine to any of the other artists that contributed so that they would have to order from her or make their own copies to sell at cons
>Is gonna go to SanJapan Convention, but still is lagging due to putting too much on her plate
>Projects List: Hamilton Animatic, Clever Kitchen, Convention Stuff, Paranormal Plague, Purgatory (redrawing/inking), BNHA themed zine
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Still a wip. It really bothers me that the skirt is rendered so realistic if the rest wont be
Realistic? It looks like badly blended paint streaks. and Pearl is still Literally Green. I'm sure that even after she puts the background layer back on, she won't look any less green.
And since this is going to be a print, that green is going to stand out so much more on paper.
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Why does she try to draw FMA or any anime? She’s horrible at it just replicate the style Holly that doesn’t even look like Greed
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My first reaction to this picture was….
Return of the CHIN.
Though I think this might be an older piece she plans to redraw??>>668163
It isn't the other people who are the problem, Holly, involving yourself in groups isn't inherently bad. It's the way you went about it.
It would have been better/easier if you communicated more and if you hadn't insisted on being at the helm a big project thinking you could minimize interaction with others as much as humanly possible. And then get away with it. Now you're regretting you got caught and stuck with the work.
Deal with it.
i’m honestly shocked and actually slightly proud that she admitted it was her fault and that the person wasn’t just a “hater”. the fact that it’s a group project does not mean that it was bound to fail though. i think she does finally realize how awful she is at taking on leader responsibilities and managing/talking to many people. maybe she’ll do better in the future?? (i know it’s like a 1 in a million event, but i wanna give her a chance.)
Also, who else thinks that if she had been a part of a large group zine before this, that it would have been handled a little bit better? She hasn’t been a part of any other zines, right? sorry, but who in the world thinks they can manage a huge project like this without ever having been a part of something similar?
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the legs aren't actually that short but it's still terrible
None of the anatomy is fine. It's just not as
bad as it looks tilted.
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Also in the first reply to the person who pointed out some stuff, holly had to bash other zines to make her feel better. Its not going to be the same if these zines she made are shitty to.. But we will have to wait to verify that when they ship out or if she sells some at sanjapan.
She's completely flush with the wall and it looks like she's stepping out of it as a result. Especially with those tangenting lines.
None of what she draws has a flow or direction to it, it's just irrelevant detail, wonky perspective and bad proportions.
And puke colors when she wants to get saucy lmao.
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Hey guys I made a HC pride flag!! Its for anyone who loves dying and being dead, everyone whose a degenerate who draws what they want :) . Dont worry about the bad circle its just my style idk LOL.
This is great anon!
Although, the only thing i woukd recommend is skewing/warping the cat at a 40° angle and adding a giant chin to it. ;)
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Lmao, she's gotten her google search mixed up with another Holly Brown, who's an author. Looks like a google identity battle. Who is the real Holly Brown? "IDK!"
>>668715>An American comic artist who likes to sketch
I can't believe she wrote that about herself whew
She should just go by H.C. Brown, or Holly C., it looks pretty bad.
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Holly posted this comment on Amberlynn Reid's newest video, I love it when cows collide.
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Having a different art style does not automatically equal good art. No one cares if someone's fanart has a different style than a show or whatever. It only becomes problematic
when the fanart (or the person's art in general) is littered with mistakes. I'm not really sure what you're trying to argue here anon.
IT'S MUH STYLE REE UR ALL JUS STUUPID REE
Kay Holly maybe learn to make arms and legs the same length first then we can discuss your "style"
Big AL and Holly are kinda crazily similar, so this was bound to happen. They both lie to their fans constantly about trying to 'do better' (for AL, its weight loss, for Holly, it's doing projects), they both collect copious amounts of shit they'll never use, and they both complain about 'haydurs' even tho they could learn how to be better if they listened to them. Not to mention their stupid southern valley girl speak they do """ironically""", 'yass gurl, slayyy'.
It's hilarious that Holly seems to be attacking AL, like a cat attacking its reflection in the mirror.
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the title is still off center ??
it's really bothering me ….
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Is it even possible to print 150 books this size in two days?
Part of me wonders if she didn't actually just have them printed somewhere and shipped to her.
Not that it matters. I hope everyone gets their stuff and she never works with others again.
also, has she still not put up the zine again? so she hasn't had orders on it for days, yet she's still playing catch-up. and it'll most likely get worse when she puts it up again (unless it being unavailable for a period has deterred ppl from buying it, which may have been her goal)
also, i found the zine tumblr and let's just say she hasn't updated that one in a while
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One thing is for sure… she definitely made the ones she photographed. Look at the consistency of the cuts at the top.
That is some strong BRown craftsmanship.
I'm still so peeved by how bad the logo looks. She couldn't even put in the effort to make the text slanted, like with the original logo. It takes literally 10 seconds to do but no
, Holly just has to make everything she produces look like total garbage.
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anyone know wtf this is about? is it the marker case she got from the store when they were getting rid of it?
She would probably be better off not redoing old pages at all. A lot of the comics I read do have significant art shift between the first few pages and the final pages. It's just unrealistic expecting the art in your comic to not evolve as you get better at art.
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The worst thing about it is that she did have the time and effort to put up her own store.
Listen, Holly's art is ugly but you would have to be blind to think the first few pages of Purgatory looked better than the newer pages. Sure, I would agree the art in the original one-shot of Purgatory was much more creative than the current expanded comic but it still looked wonky as hell.
Speaking of the original one-shot of Purgatory, does anybody have screenshots of it from Holly's earlier videos? I feel like a lot of the newer anons keep parroting how Holly's earlier stuff was 'so great' because they actually have no idea of how bad her early stuff actually looked.
Not quite "so great" but more that she had a creative style and was passionate towards her comic.
her old work was like roadkill, but her current work is that roadkill rotting in the sun.
Holly showed signs of evolving and changing and learning different styles of art and seemed like she could be pretty varied as an artist but the last two years she’s stagnated and gotten worse.
Her old styles showed character and growth, her new stuff shows just how much she doesn’t care about her own art, it’s like instead of telling herself that she’ll use these few years of school to learn/practice the things they try to teach to grow as an artist and instead said “OHHH IF I TELL PEOPLE I WAS IN ART SCHOOL THEY WILL THINK IM PRO”
I really want to know what the fuck happened to her, like does she seriously only draw because she thinks it’ll make her money?
Here's my analysis.
I think because she doesn't really respect anyone's opinion but her own when it comes to art critique, the only way she has to measure her art's worth is with how much money she can make with it.
She looks like she has both a superiority and inferiority complex; she looks down on others because they're not "good enough" but then she realises herself that she has big issues and because she doesn't know how to fix them she goes back to shitting on others, which doesn't help her improve and only isolates her more. It's a vicious circle.
There's a learning curve for artists and very regularly we encounter walls. Most try to break down that wall, albeit often with a few very bad attempts until they figure out what really blocks them the most, but in Holly's case, because she doesn't want to have to face a wall, she just. turns around, so she doesn't have to deal with that shit.
>does she seriously only draw because she thinks it’ll make her money?
She seems to like the 'idea' of being an artist, who makes a living off of her own stuff, but when it comes to actually doing it, she doesn't seem to necessarily enjoy it, so she's always bitching about it in some way or other.It feels like she's not being honest with herself.
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1. Resse is fucking awfull he is not complete at all and she only likes him because hes her male self insert uwu
2. Boo hoo I have only two friends :( I dont feel l-like I belong im so fucked up :( feel bad for me
Theres more on her instagram
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Jesus her insta stories are fucking depressing today
Gonna dump them all because she talks about some stuff like the zine
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>>670466>I’m not good at talking to people
Yeah has nothing to do with you realizing you bit more than you could chew and didn’t want to do it anymore
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She’s so fuckin full of herself I can’t get over it
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Last one I’m posting because this highlights why she can’t take criticism at all, because her head is so far up her ass and her skin is so thin that even the most mundane and easy going critique will be seen as “harsh, mean and unneeded bullying”
She’s got other stop posted like who she takes inspiration from and art tips even tho she really shouldn’t be giving anyone tips for art
I mean most friends that I know that make art tend to do it as a hobby and that’s why they like it so much, it’s something to enjoy not something to torture themselves over
How can she not be to the point that she wants to give up and just enjoy her life instead of punishing herself, she’s just going to end up hating it in another year or so
The thing is, I don’t think holly can enjoy much in life outside of the narcissistic supply she receives from social media. She’s gotta do some deep digging and feel fire out how to be happy an present in the moment, that’s for sure. She’s constantly living in the future, with another project or goal around the corner, and once that’s finished, she thinks she will finally
attain the result she craves. She always says art is a constant struggle but she hasn’t really experienced that yet. She’s still an art baby but in my opinion that’s okay and everyone takes a different amount of time to get past these mental blocks. It’s just been a hell of a funny ride and I hope she keeps going, in whatever direction she chooses. /blogpost
In all honesty I feel for Holly, I mean I don’t think we should go easy on her or anything but I can very much empathize with her struggles since I went through much the same and really all I’d like to see is her get some help and a few irl friends and learn to live life before she’s a super bitter 30 year old with no joy in anything.
It’d be great to see her grow as an artist and see if she can actually make good pieces one day but I’d rather see her get mental help then monetary gain.
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Newest Purgatory page
would be 100% better without his stupid glasses
also is this baby its cold outside scene the lead-in to the molestation bit or has that already happened
Oh god wtf if that already happened I wanna see her god awful depiction of a serious topic because god knows that has to be something special.
Also Simons face in that bottom panel looks so god awful
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I think this is the priest guy who molested him, yeah, but that character and Simon's dad look identical besides the Hitler stache so it's hard to tell.
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So I just found this on her tapastic. She has a comic series where she is supposed to draw a comic guide to comics but instead she just takes other people's work and gets tipped for it apparently. Idk but I'm pretty sure this isn't allowed? I'm not too familiar with Tapastic but I know if you post fan comics you're not allowed to turn the tipping on.
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Don't have long converstations.
All this fucking money on all these fucking software programs out her ass but can't uae spellcheck once?
She honestly gets me angry at this point, what kinda mildly retarded special needs adult is she?
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Wally Wood is the guy who made those panels.
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Who would want this as a sticker tho??
oh lol. I was sure>Holly/Wally>Brown/Wood.
Sorry for that then holly
The one time she should
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Seriously, why are they so far apart? Why is the table a third of the image? I feel like with the logo it'll look stupid either way but it seems so easily improveable.
That's Simon and Damien!?
I thought it was fanart for some anime.
Honestly doesn’t change the character much given his horrible hair, but is very much prefer if Holly would keep doing THESE glasses for the love of god, it looks normal>>671564>>671607
Holy shit I thought the same thing, how do you fuck that up so bad? Can she not trace? It’s not that hard to practice a few kanji until it looks right Holly
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Or you can just get a calligraphy brush in your drawing software to make it look like an average Jap wrote it. You can also just copy and paste the text in photoshop to the desired font that accepts moonspeak
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What a dumbass
If she complains one more fucking time about making the true color zine,when as we can see she should have had them printed by a compnay.
But no hollys own zine with her own work can be put through a compnay but not the group project?????
That has 80 people SHE chose to be in it
And that SHE chose to hand make?????
She's wants to pretend that she's the intelligent art type, but really she has no clue on how to do anything in a productive way.
>>671919>make it look like an average Jap wrote it.
Why would it look like that even, when it's a logo? Tracing a font to make it look more "organic" is pretty common and not a bad thing especially if you have no fucking clue about stroke order or how to write properly like Holly. >>671942
What was the fucking point of buying a printing press if she stops using it when she has more than 5 orders? It'll never pay for itself.
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Appearantly one of her PP characters is bi now? Which one is she talking about?
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Someone posted this in the old thread yesterday. don't think they saw we made a new one. but some tasty milk.
I honestly cannot wait for someone to make a call-out post for her on tumblr. She doesn't have as many fans there and there's also a strong anti-fujo current going on there, so it's perfect to get her labelled as "problematic
" and use that to call her out on her other bullshit (scam, detestable attitude, shit art, etc.)
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I mean holly said so herself that most artists aren’t like super popular.
wow what a cunt
I really hope these artists don't waste their time and energy in any other project related to holly ever again
“they’re not popular artists like MOI!”
how does she make everything sound so cunty. sometimes i think i’m being too harsh or reading too into it, but then i remember that time she commented on a rant vid about herself and said something like “you’re welcome for the views btw”, along with being just a general whiney bitch.
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Thoughts? I dont think its necessarily terrible but its a rush job
I'm … pleasantly surprised by this? None of the usual oversized chins or stupid hair flaps, it looks like she tried to genuinely look at the original and use it as actual reference, and not just get a vague idea of what the characters look like. The poses are still pretty stiff and Lust's boobs look weird, but aside from that, the composition is okay and the colours are nice.
I guess the constructive criticism finally got to her, huh. Welp, I guess all there is to do is wait and see if it's a thing she's gonna keep doing or if she's going to regress as soon as she finishes this!
That is not so bad, what a pleasing surprise. Not perfect but much better than her usual art.
Let's just hope she's not going to add stupid lines on Greed's arms.
I was just about to say "wow no arm lines!!"
She's super bad at describing where she wants the direction of the piece to go, what does she mean by "this blue tone?" Is she referring to Greed's hair? not sure about that tbh.
Greed still has hair flap though.
I mean, the thread is called Holly IDK Brown for a reason lol, so it's not just you. I agree with that theory. >>672858
Definitely not terrible, but the composition looks bad.
Wait what about this is good to you anons?
And can we confirm Holly’s color settings on her monitor are fucked? Cuz there’s no blue in this, just pink and purple
Yet she doesn't do any fixing even after printing, she would notice they are fucked up in prints if that would be the case.
All the poses look stiff and boring, there is no interaction between any of the characters, the guy with the eye patch has a tumblr block nose and no back of the head. Also I don't know why his hand was placed there, is he saluting or just adjusting his eye patch like it's a pair of glasses? And that terrible gradient… It's not as bad as her other work, but still bad.
Yeah, i guess she means cool toned but her dumbass said blue.
Thing is I do agree with the anons that are saying her monitors colors are problably fucked. …or either her eyesight in general.
On my previous laptop something about the magenta/red scale was a bit fucked up. I would espically notice it when I either used other computers monitors or in my phone (if looking at the same picture.)
I also was aware when I was trying to color something pinkish/hot pink HUE and it would just look like regular red no matter how far up the red-magenta slider i went. Then once i got on my phone to see the drawing, i could see the pink that was suppose to be there.
Thing is, it wasnt that extreme of a difference in range.
Holly may have her moniters colors so fucked up where nothing looks as she intends it to be. It could explain why everything either looks too muddy/unsaturated/too saturated/piss yellow filtered/yikes in general.
Again there is also the chance since she has super bad dyslexia, she may have color blindness too.
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Her monitor's adjustments may be messed up, but that doesn't take into account her coloring in traditional media, which is just as muddy and bad.>>673104
Saying she wants to do it and actually getting around to it are two different things. There's a ton of resources out there, not knowing where to look really isn't an excuse.
Oh look she’s been lurking and taking criticism good job girl
The bodies look pretty damn good for Holly, same with the faces (my poor wrath) mind you hats where this stops, it might be the best piece and best fanart she’s done in the last two years but it’s still not great innof itself, but at least she can tell who the characters are!
The composition, the colouring hurts and I hate that blue she could have done a different shade of red or maybe a reddish purple to keep with the colour theme the blue looks so weird and washed out it doesn’t sit well with he rest, the characters are all smushed together in weird ways like it’s supposed to look like one of those manga spreads where it shows off all the characters but all the heads and bodies are the same size and floating together instead
So instead of investing money in the smart way and getting yourself some the thesaurus‘, maybe buying a grammar program and actually teaching yourself proper grammar over time you waste money into iPads and book presses you’ll never use
Okay Holly, at least fucking PAY THE PERSON you hire to proof read your unintelligible writing
Exactly, it blends in with the red but not to make a reddish purple but a gross grey blue
seriously did you read the tweet? >>672858
I did and i thought the point is she made one guys face 'blue' (though it's purple) as a test and she's thinking about making the whole thing that color - so it's not meant to blend in.
But the rest of our discussion is about why she said blue when it's not blue (so is her monitor fucked) and you're also saying it's blue -but you mean blue 'added to red' (purple). Maybe she meant that too.
Well it’s like she dropped the opacity on a really pale blue and ran it over the red and it didn’t make a proper purple but a washed out grey pink/blue? Like if it had a noticeable purple tone to it i think it’d mix better than this because it looks really muddy and grey
Or maybe I’m crazy colourblind and not seeing the right shades I dunno
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the hair is purple the skin is pale pink-purple. this is color picker of the skin
>>673104>Two words with different meanings are indistinguishable to me
I know she's not the only one but it won't ever make sense to me. >>673476
It looks bluish because it's next to a warm tone,I don't think she ever meant it's straight-up blue. Some people just don't have great color perception.
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Heres the rest of the skethbook page. Turns out i was following her and i didnt even know it lmfaoo. The way she draws clothes and folds bothers me so much. There's no rhyme or reason for it.
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the way she draws cheeks too lumpy always bugs me. Her faces always look swollen and dopey.
And they have like no foreheads.
Hilarious how she drew dark circles under Holly's eyes. Yeah this isn't cute.
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Sounds about right
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I think a former cutter talking about going back is definitely not a small thing, stress or not.
I kinda feel for her, but at the same time she could probably have moved out already if she managed her shit better.>>673688
Didn't realize they were friends, they suit each other.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think Holly is the prettier one.
Excuse me, I have to wash my mouth out with soap.
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Well when looking at the two of them together it’s both shit, just shot for different reasons so neither looks good, they both look like shitty 5 minute doodles
I'm pretty sure they're meant to be 5 min doodles just to let fans know their table numbers?>>673950
I guess we aren't really going to get any new milk until after the convention.
They called them banners, not doodles just to let fans know. Tho I don’t understand why they did but I agree that they are just shitty doodles, all I’m saying>>673950>>673975
We’ve talked shit about Holly’s doodles before don’t know why it has to be different now? If you don’t want to talk about the doodles talk about something else instead of complaining
Or shitty sketch doodles in her books, or some of her unfinished pieces, we nitpick and critique almost everything she makes like seriously calm down, it’s nothing new.
And banner or no, people where just pointing out it was two shitty doodles, that’s all. If you don’t want to comment on the doodle bring something else to talk about is what I’m saying. And I’ve seen plenty of artists who put more time into their table ads then these two have, just saying
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Those lines are really not straight.
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>>674384>it has purplish undertones.
no it doesn't. something is wrong with YOUR screen not holly's
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Did I miss something? When/where has she brought up inktober recently? Last time she was on some snobby bullshit, it was mermay and that 24hr comics thing.
Give it another month and she'll shit talk inktober again like she always does with art challenge events like these. She's got a pattern.
Actually. I'd be surprised if she didn't
shit on inktober.
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its apartments with a giant man sitting on them… It can't be bleachers because imagine having to climb over those walls to get to your seat>>674965>complementary colors
kek probably remember that other assignment that she had about 'furry creatures' where the learning goals were stuff like 'find the appropriate photoshop tool icons'. elementary stuff
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My fuckin sides.>>675169
Now she won't shut up about screentones. She probably saw other artists use it on social media and thought she'd better get in on it too. She's using them and already complaining lol, won't be long now til she drops them. Cool how she's noodling around with everything else but what she actually needs to do.
Holly you don’t just fucking throw tones in and think it looks okay, you have to learn how to use tones and it’s not something you learn overnight
So who wants to bet Holly gives up using tones and goes back to just using black, white and grey again?
Those ankles are broke as hell still>>675317
That’s the problem tho, is she’s going to try using tones for awhile, realize she doesn’t know what the fuck she’s doing with them and instead of watching a few tutorials and trying it out on a few practice comics she’ll give it up again. She doesn’t work at her craft, if it requires real work and not the fluff she calls work then she wants non of it
jfc, how many sheets did she buy?
Also, she has Clip Studio Paint which comes with tons of free tones included, but why use those when you can waste money and time cutting out screentones by hand.
You know what, you're right. In the corner you can see a deviantart URL.
Makes it worse since most of the background "tones" on dA are stolen from other manga or uncredited photogs.
I strongly disagree. There is a huge difference between going to an 'art school' like Art Institutes and going somewhere like Calarts. From what we've seen from Holly's art assignments, I'm willing to bet that RMCAD is closer to Art Institutes level than Calarts.
Also there is no point of paying more than 20k a year to a private art college if I can get the same or comparable education by self study. The only way I could ever justify paying that much for an art college is if the professors, alumni or even the name of the college itself would help be secure a paid art position later on in life. Otherwise it is completely pointless shelling out so much money for a sub-par education.
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Oof. Some of these stickers look awful.
Disagree. Art school in the US costs a lot of money, and going to a reputable school can open a lot of doors for you, but otherwise you may as well just take a part-time job and study at home every day if you don't get the value of great instructors. >>675603
Why is it so
lopsided? It's not even funny bad, just off.
I only just noticed how huge those are holy shit
Where in the everlasting fuck is any one gonna want to put those.
I genuinely hope they do not sell.
Which would be hilariously pathetic, given stickers are one of the easiest products to move.
RMCAD anon here. Seconding this. They're a meh art school, but if you put a lot in you can get a lot out of it.
RMCAD actually has the best illustration degree in Colorado. Their animation program isn't very great, and their fashion program sucks. RMCAD is also cheaper for CO residents than for transplants, and the online program is less than half the cost of the on-ground one.
However, I only go to RMCAD because I have to live in CO for family reasons. Under better circumstances, I would have gone to SCAD or Ringling.
There's one illustration prof in particular who kicks ass, but I'm not naming him here for his sake.>>675554
I say if you have the discipline and the connections, you don't need an art degree. However, some people need a structured environment in which to acquire those things. Networking with other artists is the most valuable thing about art school imo.
No one except for maybe one idiot here said that it was. Just that it maybe makes networking easier, but even then it's not a guaranteed investment.
Even now she's wasting her time with RMCAD. she obviously thinks she's ahead of the cirriculum and thinks little of it (it's not helping with her inflated ego either),
some of the courses she seems to be taking are very basic or fundamental, but she's probably finishing her degree up out of obligation more than anything (I believe she mentioned that in an older vlog).
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RMCAD Anon here again. Okay, sorry for spamming the thread and for namefagging(?)
But it turns out I was in a class with Holly in the semester in that just ended. It was a painting class, and boy howdy, did her work SUCK. Easily some of the worst art on the critique threads. Here's some insider milk.
Turns out, Holly submitted digital art for some of the traditional assignments, which is a form of academic dishonesty at RMCAD (I've seen people get in trouble for it).
Ok, beyond the shittiness of her paintings, can we talk about her grammar? I mean, if she's posting a sentence, then you'd think she could at least Google the proper spelling of words like "existence" and not use text speak like 'idk'. The first thing they teach for online classes is usually about spell checking your submissions and having proper grammar…
I'm shocked that she didn't fail out of the class. The oil painting one is a bit harder to instantly detect, but the top paintings with the cow are so obviously digital.
>>676092>submitting an actual Photoshop filter in for an assignment
I’m shittin’ at the audacity. Also, man, I hope those three at the top left are supposed to be thumbnails, because they (and the cow especially) look like they were done in 15 minutes tops.
These actually bum me out because of how little effort is put into them. Like, she needs to take a break from art and reenergize or something.
Nah, no one cares about an art degree. You might as well be burning the cash you paid to get that piece of paper. At the end of the day, it's what you put in to your own efforts to learn the skills you need. Art is a very independent sort of field, and to be able to work it, you need to demonstrate what you can do, not what degrees you have.
So she can skirt by on shit tier work and get ten art degrees, it wouldn't matter to anyone else except her guardian. It happens so often, people will go into a cheap school for an art degree just to say that they have a degree.
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How convenient that her printer breaks after all those Zine orders.
OF COURSE, she made sure she had all those orders of Seize
out, though, yessiree.
(RMCAD anon again) Well, I didn't even touch on the fact that all of these paintings are supposed to on STRETCHED CANVASES, not pieces of fucking paper.>>676183
I can't get into specifics but I am REALLY not in a position to be reporting other people for student conduct violations, lol.
Also, because she's not local, it would be VERY difficult for Student Affairs to investigate this (they would need to see the paintings in person, which is difficult if she isn't in Colorado).>>676190
My guess would be that the prof. didn't care enough to look into it. "Googling students" isn't in her job description, and this particular prof. teaches only like two classes anyway.>>676178
Seconding this. I always get my stuff printed at Fedex/Kinkos, or at RMCAD (there are some kick ass printers on campus).
Kek, is that fucking Hershel in the drawings on the bottom right?
This stuff is all terrible. It's clear she doesn't give a shit and knows she can get away with it because it's online.
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I get what its like to have shitty family members, trust me, but why is Holly insisting on airing out her dirty laundry?? She could have just tweeted her brother left instead of this mess.
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yikes saw this gem in her comments on that last tweet, all he had was drugs right ?
idk much but I think this was a bit much to comment
I'm watching it right now and she thinks the lack of "bleed" pages is like a big problem of Purgatory. >>676359
what the hell. But I'm not surprised
Ahh yes, because people with nonviolent drug offences need to be so horribly traumatized and punished for something so vile and horrible
Having da weedz- this man deserves the gas chamber for what he’s put poor Holly through uwu
What the actual fuck lmao, not sure if this is an edgelord, some gross fujoshit, or both.
I don't think she's mentioned what kinds of crimes her brother has committed besides being involved with drugs, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't run a drug cartel or a human trafficking ring.
True but from what we know about him it sounds likely he got arrested for drugs.
Also Holly said it was a federal charge and drug trafficking seems like the most likely federal charge he would be charged with (really doubt the dude got taken in for piracy, counterfeiting or treason or violating security laws/interstate commerce laws) Then again Holly might be wrong about the federal charges.
Also wanted to add, if this guy was taken in for federal charges for drug trafficking there he is probably selling something a bit stronger than weed…
I’m so happy to see that Holly takes learning her basics and fundamentals as seriously as she does actually practicing her craft, and by serious I mean not at all and throws to cheat and fluff herself through as much as she can
Sad and pitiful, Holly you are not going to be a freelancer artist for long
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Wait, is this seriously how she's going to be selling the Pearl print? Just….Stark navy bg with ugly mint green and pink?
Can't say I'm surprised, but…It looks mega unfinished. And it's fuckin huge, who'd want that drab thing hanging in their room just cause it's pearl. It's so dour.
WHAT? BUT >>668047
How the hell can she call this finished when she DIDN'T FINISH ANYTHING? Did she get tired of working on it and give up? Don't sell it if that's the case jesus christ Holly
I can see the Cowbot Bebop print doing the worst, the anatomy and placement is so horrible on that one and making is a larger print will only show that off more. The Ghibli stuff and shitty BNHA stuff is the only things that will sell.
I wouldn't say anyone will want her OC stuff, it's not like she mega popular or anything, just infamous around youtube and tumblr.
Actually I wonder if anyone will ask her about the zine at the con? That'd be funny to witness, please conanons get some candid's of Holly's horrible setup if possible.
** meant to quote >>676748
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Yikes, but whoever drew whatever that is on the table, props. It’s the most decent thing I’ve seen within miles of association with Holly.
he low-key looks like a nerdier idubbbz.>>676906
it's because her eyes are so deep set I think.
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ngl I'm excited for this shitshow>>676888
their self portraits are slaton-sister tier laughable at this point holy shit
an anon is tableing? wow! i knew one was gonna pass by but having someone there to give updates (when not full of work of course) is really nice. Good luck anon!
(im asuming only artist can be in the alley while preparing the tables)
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?????? are you talking about Holly? Are you Talking about Michie? What are you even saying in this? This is what they both look like???
general estimates for prints that haven't been sold before is roughly 5-15 prints, and once you have a benchmark you know which ones to re-print next time.
so knowing holly,she's probably got like 50 of each print.
>>676999>holly looks like she weighs 400lbs
Where? The photo is unflattering, but that's it. >>676927
Pretty excited for the mess that's no doubt about to ensue, hope you can get some intel anon.
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Apparently Holly and Alisa Vysochina know each other/are friends? She has over 100k followers on instagram, so this might actually boost Holly's sales.
The cover is gross imo, the hot magenta pink mixed with green/mint, the way the lines are done for the bg it looks like they are laying on a large puddle of puke (even tho i think it's…a cave?)
The boys anatomy was going to be horrible anyway given her track record but she should have put so much more work into this, the coverart is what sells a comic for a lot of readers since it displays the art inside.
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I recognise your meme, and raise you one more
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In her last vlog she showed envelopes and cardboard packings for Seize because she didn't want "12 year olds flipping through a porn zine". And now they're just laying there right in front?
Her table is really overwhelming and they could make the separation between the two of them better.
It looks like Holly brought more stuff with her, so it looks overwhelmingly like only her table. Michie's stuff is mixed in there, interspersed between Holly's stuff and the only way you can tell it's hers is by how dopey the characters look, but the colors are better.
Overall though it looks like a wreck. That hot pink cloth is so garish.
it does. what do you think its from then? just because? its a habit developed as a child that isnt fixed. kids do it initially because of weak hand muscles and if it isnt corrected at some point, then you start seeing people carry it into adulthood.
on another note, i see a LOT more of holly's stuff on that table than mitchies. whats the point of getting a table at a con if you have like 2 prints?
Like a previous anon said, you can get by on a little merch when you're also taking commissions, but that's only really if people even like your work.
Besides, she has a lot of other, easy to buy, smaller things like buttons, stickers and those charms.
Of course her shitty doujin is sitting out in the open where kids can just flip through it. Because, let’s be honest, they both look like they’d be attached to their phones all weekend and won’t notice.
I’ve sold at conventions for a long while now and this setup is an eyesore. Especially the binder clips not properly supporting the prints and letting it fold in like that. The table is a confusing mess as well. If I were there, I’d just keep walking.
If I hadn’t already known she was severely underprepared for this con, the look of the table sure let’s you know.
wanna fuck her over or wanna let this unwind?
same, i get that kids are suposed to be supervized but parents shouldnt have to be over their shoulders whie they look at a comic in a booth that looks childish
also really young kids go to cons so i dont feel its exagerated to say this
Looking at this >>677214
, yeah, I guess Holly actually does have the actual copies wrapped.>>677426
Their booth doesn’t look as empty as I though it would, which is good. But man, those stickers are still so goddamn big. Where the fuck would you put the horse one? S
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Hmmmm Twisted compliments Holly , Holly says nothing. . . What a good friend.
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michie claims it's censored lmaoooo
A kid won't be traumatized for life from one glance at Holly's shitty gay porn, let's not exaggerate.
That said she shouldn't have it out to flick through, stickers over it or not it's still porn.>>677673
Ngl, I respect Monique more than many of the YTAC gang for actually speaking up against Holly (and Spechie).
this may be a bit tin foil hat but I low key think holly purposefully made her prints oversized and brought a shit ton of things so that people only mostly saw her stuff over Michie's smaller prints and merch. Looking at the table you'd have to practically dig to find Michie's stuff. >>677673
Yeah no, I don't believe for a second Monique would just pm her about the situation if she could and leave it at that, Monique is and has always been about grandstanding and calling people out for attention. To make herself look good. And also way to go for possible cow tipping(not that it's a concern, we know Holly reads here, and so does she).
that last part is literally what last anon said about Monique, she can't be trusted. She just wants brownie points where she can get 'em.
She shouldn't have made herself known, if she wanted to have her cake and eat it too, but instead she thought she was being bold by using her actual name.
I don't even know if anything will come of her callout tweet anyway, past SJ staff anon said they don't really give a fuck.
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We all saw this coming.
Holly doesn't care about the rules or whether or not minors will end up leafing through it, she only cares about how much she thinks she can get away with and how much money she can get out of it that's why it's out in the open like that. It's a beacon for fujos.
I've been to many a con and the whole 'censoring it with cats' whatever that means, I've never even seen. Artists are normally smarter about that shit so they don't grt kicked out and lose their earnings.
The cencoring with cats is stickers placed over dongs and sex stuff in the public copy to look at, all the other ones are sealed.
Tho from the sounds of >>677707
she wasnt asking for ID which is con rules, so I think that might be where she's about to get shit on.
That's all I really expected. I mean it's not like the whole booth is covered in porn or anything, just her shitty art, tho I do wonder how she's going to react to all this.
And I wish she would have had a more neutral or anime-themed design for her note/sketch books shes selling, I doubt anyone wants a notbook with Hershal (i think?) on it
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the table today
She probably had like only 3 of those anyway.
But boy howdy I'd love a print of pearl where it's just her staring off into space, dancing with a dark navy bg, that'd look good among all the other vibrant prints on my wall. /s
Almost all her prints have elements that are just dead center, and there's no sense of flow, or interesting composition, she just, smacks a character or theme right in the middle of the paper, and then draws everything around it as an afterthought.
Preeeetty sure that's a girl? That's Morgan (zodiac).
Still the cutest one there though.
Jesus christ Michie and Holly are so unfortunate looking.
Also, does anyone recognize the art on the table? It looks the most like Zodiac's but I haven't seen their traditional stuff before.
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This is definitely going to be a case of "Fuck you, got mine".
Hilarious what happened with Seize, though. Wonder if by now she made table back. Maybe between Michie and her they did.
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Looks like she's been reading here during her downtime, because someone definitely said that a little further up.
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Ft. a creepy reply.
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… I'm going to qoute BRown for a second here>"You bitches have some lowass standards"
Considering how trigger
happy she is with the block button, I’m surprised as well.
I can't believe she thought this would fly. Since she's so into the yaois she would know that all shit in Japan is censored but it's still adult content.
Anon already posted their rules.
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since nothing's happening a bit of ot - i felt compelled today to search for the phrase "fujo face" and i found this claim. what do you think? (holly added by me)
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This shit is worth 20 bucks?
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There are way more bingo squares to check off but I'm most offended by the intensity of this one I can't believe someone paid cash for this
She said it was an example, so someone may not have actually paid for this particular piece. I'm curious just how much money she made off commissions, really, though.
You know when the vlog drops she's gonna mention all her earnings.
Still doesn't make it worth 20$
maybe she should use some actual effort to show it's worth the money.>>678548
this is why I don't understand why we can't pick her art to shit when there is no milk, at least it's somehting.
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ANOTHER FUCKING ZINE?? Isn't she making one for erasermic too? Holly give it the fuck up.
I mean your shitporn was literally the funniest thing i've read AND seen in a good while on this site but hot damn, just take a seat and stop please.
Just make some shitty porn doodles and let us have our keks that way if you are so inclined to entertain us
this seems like a win-win situation for us. she’ll post some more godawful sex shit for a little while, which will be some good kek material, then give up halfway through the challenge as per usual and complain about all of the work she has to do (re: extra work she gave herself and decided to do immediately in lieu of getting her priorities straight).
isn’t this another case where she shits on something or has drama with it and then decides to do it anyways again? i know she had some beef with inktober in the past, like something about digital inking “not counting” or whatever. correct me if i’m wrong pls. it’s been a few threads.
she shit on inktober yes, she shits on most art month challenges, she even complained about Mermay while also joining Mermay by drawing Hershal as a merman.
Holly is a hypocrite to the soul,she shit on doing zines, still wants to do zines but more "HER WAY", she thinks art challenges are shit except when she does it "HER WAY" same face and wonky anatomy always needs to be fixed unless its "HER WAY"
it's funny she doesnt see any of that at all
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"Profit" And she's going to spend it all in a week.
I hope she's not counting the money she made from the BNHA zines into her "profit". She still owes those artists a lot.
Also…500 is a huge gap of money, and it makes me sad that she'd just casually tweet "1000-1500", and just openly boast about it. Most artists don't do that, or they give a vague comment without disclosing the actual number.
Can confirm this statement. An acquaintance of mine that was tabling there made much more than the amount Holly claims she made, and their following is nowhere near what she has.
I will also add that San Japan's location happens to be very good for an anime convention (don't really feel like getting into the logistics of why atm), so she theoretically should have made a lot more profit if she played her cards better.
Assuming she did. That 500 gap is WAY too worrysome. Unless she maybe means that those 500 are not only hers but it's what was raised for the fanzine?
I agree with other anons that she doesn't know what "profit" is and just uses it for the total she raised without considering production costs, general expenses and stuff.
I get the sneaking suspicion that she had not been taking inventory in what she sold
And I agree with previous anons that spewing out a random number to show off your earnings on Twitter is tacky, but she's always showing off how much she makes and how much she spends so that's nothing new.
NTA but given Holly's poor money management and weird reasoning, to me she just picked the wrong word.
Plus she didn't print so much stuff to begin with and I doubt her seize comic sold that much, especially when she was banned from showing it.
She had a few prints, some stickers and a couple of books; and her art is nothing to die for, so I would believe the 1000/1500 being the takings.
She brought only 25 prints, which means even if she sold them all (which she didnt) she'd only make $375. No idea how much other shit she brought or for how much but she would've had to bust fucking ass to get to $1000 in takings, let alone profit. Her con expenses were easily 2k or more - there was a Google doc of her spending in one of the threads including con stuff. I'm positive she's just misusing words as always.
Even if she did somehow manage to make 3 grand total she's going to immediately throw it away on stupid shit she will never use so it'll be like she never profited in the first place.
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spoilered for the size but she was buying stuff for the con BEFORE she was even accepted, and when you look at that list and pair up with a few of these screens it's easy to say Holly made -0$
She's not factoring in everything she's spent money on in this year alone, and I really dont think she keeps a good track of her invoices and finances.
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samefag, also funny shit this was mentioned MONTHS ago, like did Holly not pay attention to the rules? I know she lurks this thread she should be taking notes to remember stuff we point out.
i grew up in a not very wealthy family so for example i only buy a new laptop or phone if the other completely broke
seeing all this makes me lowkey mad bc i watch her videos and vlogs and i never saw her using these expensive things more than a couple of times
why does she even need to buy the pro ver of tv paint if shes not even gonna use 4k export? i only saw her doing animatics and thats it. maybe she posts animation on her patreon idk but this is such a waste of money
she could do the same thing downloading a cracked ver of paint tool sai and exporting the frames to windows movie maker or something
she needs to understand that buying expensive shit wont make her better at art
i really despise people who complains that they dont have money but spend so much money on stuff like no shit honey
blogging but My tablet was a cheap Ugee chinese brand and I still had to save the 80$ for it here and there since I'm a bit strapped for cash, and I wouldn't have bought it if my old Bamboo tablet hadn't finally bit the dust after years of use. Holly doesn't buy anything used or tries to plan out her supplies, it's always what she WANTS vs what she NEEDS
Holly doesn't even do animations OR animatics anymore because it was too much work and people kept giving her pointers on how to make her animations nicers and more structured and instead she flipped her shit and gave up, after wasting ALLL that money. Have we heard or seen anything recent about that stupid kitchen animation she went on with for months? Maybe she does small animatics for her patreons but we havent had any posted here since her last one before she gave up animations foreversss
I said takings because no one knows their profit that quickly until there’s a full stock count and tax deductions taken off.
Like another anon said - following doesn’t count for much in the con scene. My following isn’t small, but it’s not as big as hers by even half and I get a few visitors of my work - but even if I had 100k subscribers not all of them would show up? It’s a case of if you’re in the area type thing. Unless you’re a celebrity you’re not going to draw people in to just come and visit you and you alone.
She had no stock, barely any high end priced stock (no prints although idk how much her comics were) and her art is weak in the whole big picture of convention artists. So that’s why I think it’s takings.
you numbnut it's not about being salty or jealous, it's calling her out that she repeats this stupid fucking cycle of "I have no money, I hate it my life is horrible I can't make good art" to "LOL LOOKIT ALL DIS MONEY I MADE IM GREAT I'M THE BEST ARTIST EVER" then blows all the fucking money on stupid shit she never uses again, and goes right back to bitching and moaning she has no money.
I honestly can care less with how much money she make/has, there's nothing wrong with girl making that coin but when she blows all that quick made cash on art programs, book presses, printers on top of printers, super expensive sketchbooks, iPads and the like, then a week later just stops using it and bitches she has no money.
Like you see nothing wrong with that? Who wants to be jealous of that kind of instability man.
Ofc its not anyone problem if you are poor but you do understand that she always go on this shopping spree and then complains that she has no money? She has the mentality that if she has the most expensive art thing she will magically draw better or something
She is half assing her classes just to have a piece of paper that tells the she has a degree and spending thousands of dollars on that. I never hear holly talking something good about the classes on her vlog, she is always complaining
If she really didn't have any money she wouldn't spend all this on useless shit. It would be more smart to get a business degree or something to have a stable income and do art as a side job and help her and her family bc we can see her college classes are not helping at all with her art.
it's not that they want to be holly but if you get angry at her for wasting/mismanaging her money instead of just laughing, it's because of thought "if I
had that money…"
that's so sad… kek
for real if she had put more time into nicer looking, higher quality prints I don't think the size would have mattered too much, but she still should have made them closer to standard size like Michie did. Not to mention the stickers where huge and so was the seize comic.
She somehow made it up in her head that larger size+numerous shit quality products = $$$$$$$$
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And what pray tell was this “petty drama” ??
And funny since she was so hyped up for this con now she does t want to do them anymore because she didn’t do as well as she thought she would, let’s be real here
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Theres alotta shit to be said but lets not be the crazy Anons who think looking traditionally attractive has anything
to do with getting sexually harassed/molested etc
It is honestly putrid to see her just whip out a A MOLESTATION
claim on twitter just so she can sit there and sneer online about how its "dumb shit" that her book got banned. Even though any decent human being knows putting CAT STICKERS on a porn comic is not fucking enough to cover two people doing nothing but fucking and telling
each other they're fucking.
>Holly "My friend got molested nbd but why did they take my porn comic away from the children" BRown
Michie didn't even mention anything about this on her own twitter,Holly took it upon herself to fan flames for drama, and use Michie being molested as a cover for fussing about her NSFW comic.
Some friend she is. it's all about her at the end of the day.
OT but the way Michie says "chwarms" instead of 'charms' is annoying af. (taking a closer look at them they don't look all that great either.)
Let me get this straight:
She wants to make
An erasermic nsfw zine
An inktober sfw zine
Get back on a comic making schedule?
Chop Chop, Holly.
You know what'd be real smart is to actually work on Paranormal Plague, it'd be good for Halloween. But you know,
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Were getting vagued about
Now that sounds just like >>679560
She just needs to admit she just wants to draw smut but won't own up to it.
It's so obvious she isn't invested in Purgatory or Paranormal Plague anymore, she's not really kidding anyone.
But she doesn't want to lose the audience she built up on the SFW side, so she's dragging those comics around like a dead horse corpse to justify her ridiculous workload.
Just be real holly you don't care.
They're looking through a bigger lens than their popularity actually is. The real test really is going to an artist alley because then, a lot of your own merits are put on display for what kind of artist you are and how you present yourself. You can't really gauge that online and you can't filter yourself to just the good parts(though holly is also terrible at this), everything is on display when you do work at an AA.
So both of them were tragically unprepared.
isn't she taking an illustration/traditional mediums class? why is she doing an animation for her final if.. she doesn't do animation for this class?
I thought she only had to do animatics for her highschool
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so now she had fun? can she keep her story straight for a day?
and kek how many more 'ponds' do you have to loose to get there Holly BRown?
But she can help her self image even just a little, it's not that damn hard. She can take all that money she busts into things she doesn't use and use it for a but of self car.
Get her mane taken care of, styled, a proper color that suits her, practice some make up from tutorials from girls with a similar face shape, bit up some better skin care habits.
I mean it's not like the girl has to be gorgeous or anything but she can still look pretty for 'her', she'd just rather waste all her time being miserable and complaining instead of trying to fix even the smallest, she has the resources and the funds (apparently) she can invest a little time on herself if she wanted too, but complaining gets more asspats.
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>>679730>$4220 was roughly spent>Makes $1000-$1500 """"profit"""">"running an art business is hard">"I have an accountant"
Nigga, you are telling me she is -$3200 to -$2720 in debt
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I was kinda impressed with this, why would she willingly produce crap when she could be doing this?
also holly is saying she's having a chrons flare up and vomiting blood due to the stress.
>since when does she have chrons?
>is this trying to derail talk about the zine profits?
>why the fuck would you go on intense diets like keto if you have chrons!??!!
all that and more next week on Holly BRown: Trainwreck saga
Not that anon but those videos don’t play on mobile for me unless I open it in Dropbox. It’s nothing Holly related so you’re not missing anything.
I’m really wondering if she’s planning on doing strictly Texas cons or will branch out of state. My money is her doing a few cons in locally and giving up because it’s “too much work”.
It’s still wonky AF though. Especially the fingers on the female figure.
I do think she’s trying to derail from the zine with this heatlth thing. It’s really a fucked up thing to do.
i kinda believe her, but really holly… stop making new flim flam projects and like, focus on NOT throwing up blood? stick with college, and bed rest. Pretty sure this is a "i'm making myself stressed and unwell to prove how hard the art industry is and how hard I work"
heck I had a crohns scare while doing a bachelor degree (lol, I finally googled the spelling) I didn't even have it, but I was barely able to do ANYTHING. My lecturers were very very understanding. I just will never understand her trying to flex her work ethic. There will always be asians better than you killing themselves holly
Since when does she have chrons? I'm pretty sure that'd be something she would have brought up a few times by now to use as an excuse for something (like right now)
Also you don;t throw up blood from chrons? And if you are throwing up blood from 'stress' you may want to go to a fucking hospital for once and actually get checked out Holly because that sounds like fucking ulcers or stomach cancer have fun either way.
She's only doing this because she realizes she has to spend money and send everyone their cut and shares of the zines, and guess who probably doesn't have the money she was hoping to have for it?
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She seems to understand screentone levels and use more digitally than traditionally, but it's still horrible.
So much shine to the hair, the full angle nose with no distinguishing character or style…
OH YEAH, welcome back doritochin-kun
This is the exact kind of behavior I hate to see artists champion, the whole "suffering artist" bit where artists work themselves ill and wear it like a badge of honor.
That's seriously got to stop and Holly is playing it up like it's the price to pay for being an artist.
sorry for sperg but NO that's the price you pay for being a fucking idiot
and not taking care of yourself and letting yourself rest.
I'm so sick of her bullshit, I swear to gods, the fad dieting, the chrons bullshit, the not sleeping, etc.
She's speaking to a young demographic of artists about all of this shit and thats only going to encourage them into thinking you gotta suffer 24/7 to be a "professional artist"
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just gunna dump the art for everyone
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i don't really know what screentone's appeal or intention is if it's just putting these ugly textures on b/w shit. I really don't like the look, it just looks like what you had to resort to with dot-matrix printers. It makes me nauseous even somehow
[i'm attaching the full size of it where you can see the texture]
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I feel for her honestly, like how fucked up does your self worth have to be to pull the shit she does. Still gotta pay the artists you basically fucking scammed tho, headass>>680465>inking digitally is easy!!
then prove it, this doesn't. what the fuck is that linework. it's like she didn't even resize it so you can see all the messy lil parts
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how does her anatomy and realisim look so chunky and flat? (dropped pic)
This stuff looks ok compared to a lot of her normal stuff but, if I remember correctly, Holly usually doesn't freehand figures like this and instead basically traces it over from the original piece. >>680456
You are correct anon. If you are throwing up bright red blood that suggests a upper GI problem.
Does anyone know how much that zine was selling for? I've googled it, and all I can find is the forums, and the original page promoting the zine. But it doesn't talk about where it will be sold or for how much.
Holly's deleted all her tweets about the zine, too.
do you guys mean crohns? but yeah, if she's puking blood and that stressed out then it's most likely an ulcer. unfortunately i'm past the point of pity for her because she does this all to herself. no one is forcing her to do all these unproductive projects. >>680422>accountant
what a pointless lie, any accountant would be absolutely mortified by her spending habits and trying to reign in her stupidity hard. plus she makes like minimum wage most months so what's the point of even having an accountant??>>680466
wtf with his right leg just….????
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I don't understand people who don't at least drink some water while stressed to the max
As someone who has made themsleves stress until getting extremely sick, water at least takes the edge off.it'll also help her lose weight as well since she wants to so bad.
It's kinda shocking how her studies in the bottom half of the page look really good for once, and then you look up to her "original drawings" and it's…. still like that
. From their poses it's painfully obvious she's trying to make them look sexy/appealing but the stilted posing and inaccurate anatomy give the exact opposing feeling.
Like, what the hell is going on with Momo's hips? They look detached from her torso. And on the right, in addition to the usual shitty mitten-hands, the green Momo's jacket makes absolutely no sense. Also, god, I just noticed the weird thigh gap she has, it looks like her tibia is broken.
As for Kirishima, he suffers from a classic case of Holly BRown™ girafe neck, but in a different way than usual: instead of the head being too far from the shoulders, now it's the neck going way too deep into the torso, which makes his pecs abnormally low. Also, for someone obsessed with dorito shaped things, Holly sure doesn't know how to draw the basic dorito-like buff dude body type, her "buff" dudes just look like square lumps with random lines drawn on them. Another day passes and Holly still doesn't know how to use references.
At this point I'm almost convinced she has never seen an actual live human being before, and the person representing her at conventions isn't her, but some robot or double. It's the only rational explanation for her being this fucking bad.
OT But I kninda understand the drinking coffee when stress, it actually DOES help. I have severe anxiety and when I have massive attacks sitting down and breathing over a hot coffee does fucking wonders, but I have unfortunately picked up drinking a shit ton more coffee and it does affect your sleeping/energy levels a lot.
POINT IS - Water and doctors visit, maybe try a high protein, low sodium, lots of veggie diet, like normal fucking people when shit like this happens help too. Cut the Keto shit and go on a real day by day diet and stick to it. And actually visit a doctor for once, like for real Holly, go to a doctor and start fixing ALLLLL your shit.
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Another zine artist here, and I'm fucking pissed. I mean really fucking pissed. And i am totally down for us setting up a zine artist discord so us artists feel less lost and alone about this whole thing cause that's exactly what ive been feeling these past few months.
I literally went from defending this bitch to ready to virtually deck her ass into next week and ive been trying. to be so nice. But i feel like I'm about to explode. Con's over and aint shit in my inbox. Idk how much I'm getting paid, idk what the hell happened to the store cause we haven't gotten an email from her since july. I feel like I just threw my 5 dollars into the void. I'm so fucking pissed.
I wasnt even a huge fan of her, i just happened to be subscribed to her when she announced the zine and i was like "cool i love mha!" jesussssss
I dont regret doing the zine cause i love the piece that i submitted and im DEFINITELY gonna be selling it as a print, not even gonna change the colors cause i love the palette.
I just dont understand why she had to do EVERYTHING herself. She shouldve had a team of two or three people helping her, one person for artist communication, one person for better cover design and promotion on the barren wasteland thats the truecolorszine tumblr, and she can be her own little factory and make 100+ books by hand if she wanted. Im just. So tired.
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How does it help any now? No one knows for certain if Holly is or is not going to do anything about the zine since she’s radio silent on the matter, it’s not contingency is people literally have no clue about the future of the zine until Holly says something
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Holly using her pet as an excuse to never leave her house
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Bullshit Holly has already said why she doesn’t visit doctors, she’s expressed many times why she doesn’t like doctors and it’s a stupid reason but now she visits them and she had her X-rays and blood work all done and come back in a few hours? Did she do this last week because she never mentioned anything about it then, and we all know she would.
And also, again crohns doesn’t make you throw up blood, ulcers and stomach cancers do, but not crohns, something that has to do everything with your bowels and not your stomach
Does she acid reflux and think those two are somehow the same? Go actually visit a doctor Holly, they know what they are talking about you don’t
I don’t get why she’s so against a discord group. She acts like the artists will go wild and post random shit in there constantly or get into fights or something. That, and she sits at her computer all day for her job and school anyways. I don’t think it’s too difficult to leave discord open and check in twice a day, maybe set up some rules if need be.
Oh wait, but then she’d have absolutely no excuse for her lack of communication and couldn’t keep doing the “the email must have been sent to the wrong address/got lost??/messed up!!” shtick.
I feel so bad for the zine artists. I mean, you don’t expect a semi-popular YouTube artist (or any artist hopefully) to put together a huge zine and then scam everyone. Especially with how quickly Holly deletes so much of her past milk and how it’s only brought up in these threads. If I hadn’t seen these threads before she announced it, I would’ve been interested in participating. Also, some people are going to say that she hasn’t scammed the artists yet, but lesbi real, she’ll be taking the bulk of the money for shit reasons and if she somehow gets called out on it, she’ll say it was a mistake and still keep the cash, giving ppl more dumb excuses as to why. She’s not smart, but that doesn’t excuse the mismanagement of other people’s work and money.
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I wonder if a bunch of tumblr asks came in about the zine after people have been asking ?
so how she has to save her ass idk
shes not that smart.
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the artist in the zine who kiss her ass ,are the most annoying .
>>680926>I don’t get why she’s so against a discord group.
Because she's laaaazy, and doesn't want whatever she says in the group to be used against her/end up here. She said so herself, that she doesn't like interaction, either. Don't know why in the ungodly fuck she'd make a massive zine if she knows this about herself but oh well.>>680934
She probably read here recently.
>one thing I didn't mention–
well no, that's not the 'one' thing you didn't mention. Would've been nice for the artists to know what materials/quality you're attempting
to make the zine with.
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>so transparent about everything all the time.
Quit sucking her dick, Bex, jesus christ
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As an artist myself, I’m literally on my last straw with Holly. I have about 6k+ followers on tumblr and am VERY tempted to call this stupid bitch out. I’m only waiting on exactly HOW much the artists are making back from this to see just how much she fucked them over.
To all the participants in the zine in this thread: use that anger and make that fucking discord.
Well someone is lurking, funny how the artists in here posting about how pissed they are and want to start taking action now Holly is suddenly talking about the zine like she hasn’t been ignoring it
Zine artists please stay on her ass this time. Don’t give one flying shit as to how “stressed out” she is message her three times everyday until you get what she promised, make her absolutely HATE that she ever attempted to do this
It happened immediately after we started talking about it here, too. So you know she's definitely lurking.
Bet you if we'd have stayed quiet she'd still be keeping on with her other bullshit zines. I hope she becomes so swamped with MHA zine shit that she practically won't be able to do anything else until it's done with. So yes, I agree, stay on her ass,she's opened up orders for it again, she put this on herself, hold her responsible for once.
really OT but I suspect she's posted a few times to derail when she got home too, because she was too busy tending to her booth and twitter to really pay as much attention to the thread as she probably does
her posting this >>678156
is pretty damning evidence she lurks and was trying to lurk during the con, I highly doubt anyone said that too her at the con, come on now.
Well that's great, but what about everyone else? It's shitty you guys have to go through this but if you all just give up halfway through because you're sick of it she's just going to walk away from this like nothing has happened.
Someone should make a discord and everyone needs to be on her ass until you guys get the copies and money in hand, then blast her ass into space so everyone knows to watch out for her in the future.
Rest assured, I don't think she'll be making any big group projects after this, but I do think people need to think twice before buying anything from out of her grimy-ass house anyway.
But ffs, I know some of you are tired, but don't say you're mad and say you're gonna do shit about it, but then not see it through. that's kind of a holly move.
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what did we say, she made fuck all, didn't have anything to pay for the artists even though she should have had that money made and set aside for the others already and now that the con didn't go as well as she hoped she has to figure a way to please everyone and walk away with something
too bad Holly you dug this grave, I hope you have 0 left after this stupid move, you really need to learn how to grow up
Like for real this is the part thats fucking with me so hard, I'd be fucking lost out of my mind pissed if someone took time from me like that, make me use my life and energy on a drawing I probably put more effort and energy than she did into her's, be dicked around for months then have her turn around and go "idk lol hurs ur 20$ gaiz idk srry i made u mad lol idk"
Like fuck her, and fuck this whole situation, she needs to be properly paying you for time spent and lost and making up with product she promised. How badly do you think she'd be freaking out if this was the other way around?
Imagine someone dicking her around for months for artwork she gave them and then they turn around and go "lol 20$ bai" she'd be having the biggest shitfit of the ages.
Don't stress yourself over a lolcow thread anon, the onus really isn't on you to organize and dedicate your time any further than you did. Thanks for the milk you did bring, though. Youaren't obligated to a bunch of strangers and you kind of already put enough work into dealing with a bad communicator.
If anyone has the link to the video, though feel free to share it.
It’s not really directed towards you as the only person, but to all of you guys that worked on it as a whole, sorry if it seemed like we where shitting on you, it’s just the only people who ever call out Holly on her shit is ya in the threads, her antics Are pretty much ignored by her fan base and some st praised because they look up to her so they will excuse pretty much anything.
There’s lots of stuff you all can do individualy or as a group, that’s why we keep suggesting the discord for you guys because it will help you all keep everything concise and in one place like us here.
But when it comes down to it, it’s all up to you guys if you want to do it, all we can do is sperge out over it
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>>681032>we're getting about 20 bucks each
I hope it all works out for you anon, and all the other artists.
-"Didn't have merch for San Japan, because I was swamped by the zine lol"
-Worked primarily on Seize instead of zine or merch.
-Promoted Seize more than Zine.
-Knew about San Japan months in advance.
Wow artists, it's all your fault. Nice going, guys.
>>680877>profits are not something the focus should be
This is her planting the seed of low profit so she can get away with paying you all $20 aka fucking tuppence (assuming she even pays that). Also remember to subtract $5 from that total if you bought a zine from her at production price.>>681040
anon is so right. You're all just going to get a small fraction of her con profits while she pockets the money for all future sales of the zine and when people ask about getting another cut from ongoing sales she'll say she paid you all out of pocket initially bcos the zine made no moneyzzzz gaiz she's just trying to make back what she sacrificed to give you all your $20
Sorry, super late, but I wanted to answer this question because I think the answer valuable information.
The classes she took this summer that I know of (Digital Illustration and Landscape Painting) are classes people typically take as sophomores; they're not specification courses, but they're also not prerequisites for anything, so they're the kind of classes you can take whenever.
What I can say is that if she was "just finishing up" her degree, she would already be working on portfolio reviews and specifications (in her case sequential classes, of which I think there for three or four). So the classes she's taking are basically early intermediate classes; they're some of the first non-foundations illustration majors usually take, along with Perspective and Mastering the Pencil.
As for additional milk, there's not much I can provide. I had another class (digital illustration) with her, but it was long enough ago that the class forums for it are gone. I do recall one of her pieces getting blasted in critiques for having too many distracting wood textures and for being poorly composed.
I wont be able to supply more milk until next summer, because that's the only time I take online classes.
But that would mean you guys make money and she doesn’t get to make and manage all of it and decide how much you guys are really worth
Come on anon, gatta think the Holly way
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100% OT: I now know why I thought she was fat: Because she films so close up I never saw her neck, which is skinny. The width of her face was deceiving. But it too may not even be that wide in person, without the short focal length bulging it out. If it is wide then she could put her hair forward and reduce that effect. Even in the facecam vlogs she looks pretty when she smiles so.. i dunno, maybe she looks pretty normal/good in person
>>681160>and I NEED, well.. I don't need I want a better printer because I like larger prints
jesus what a child. It's like she never has to adult one day of her life>says her family is white trash and psychotic
It's like she thinks she better than them or something>I'm trying to clean my room get my life together
at least you're trying that much>I'll put the artist on screen (for the seriously amazing Hamilton artist)
never puts the artist on screen, nice Holly, you put like none of them on screen>So someone called the constaff and told them about my NSFW display and they told me I couldn't show it at all, even though it was censored.
CORRECT HOLLY! Because it was stated in the rules that you were to keep all 18+ NSFW content away from minors and have a sign or card that read "Ask me for my 18+ content"
It's not that fucking hard to follow the rules. It was your own damn fault so don't get upset or call it drama when you should have seen this coming a mile away you dumbass
So Holly is a spoiled child who never uses her brain, why am I not surprised.
she's an early intermediate artist at best, anyway. but it's funny that she's insisting she's about to finish when she's clearly not even close.>>681299
she's not fat, but she has really unfortunate features. her face is literally potato shaped, her eyes are too close together, and overally she just has really fleshy features that age her. not her fault she looks that way but her diet/eating habits, "stress" and the fact she refuses to take care of herself makes her look worse. >>681160
holy fuck the yellow undereyes. she looks so sickly.
>>681164>>says she knows she is behind and is sorry
bitch, sorry ain't worth nothing. you didn't send out copies to the artists so that they could have sold the zine by themselves. you cheated them out of money you wanted to claim for yourself. at this point, there's no way that anyone can give you the benefit of the doubt re: this. btw, laughing as you say how truly Truly TRULY sorry you are isn't helping.
(also her attempt at making people feel bad about her covering the fees is so transparent, it's ridiculous)
Sure Holly, educate people on how to raise kids, since you’re apparently an expert in this field too.
Honestly though it’s not like people are doing something bad in pointing out something that’s against the RULES you agreed with when you booked your booth.
It’s not parents being petty, it’s what the CONVENTION asked to do, because guess what? Apparently they’re slightly more practical than you and they know well that grabbing your kids’ hands 4 days nonstop in a place that’s designed to be safe for them (hence the fucking rule) it’s not doable.
Kids are curious, they run around and you can’t blame them for liking anime. Most conventions here don’t even charge tickets for kids up to 10 years; if they wanted the con to be more “mature”, they’d have a ticket or straight up not allow that kind of audience.
But sure, Holly, you know better; you shit on basic ass rules that are common sense and suddenly you’re a victim.
A kid that’s a big fan of yugi oh, Totoro, Ojamajo Doremi or whatever they like has any right to visit a convention that’s listed as ALL AGES.
I mean sure, there’s a sticker on the thing, but it’s still there and it’s open for everybody to see. I’m pretty sure everybody and their mom picked at “non age appropriate” content out of curiosity despite the disclaimers, so don’t act dumb like “it’s their fault they can’t read”. Damn, one can even be distracted and open it, not noticing the sticker.
Follow the frikkin rules, holly.
On another topic I am really infuriated at how she talked about the molestation because it sounded like she just found it funny. I know people can act awkward when they don’t feel comfortable talking about something but… that smiling, dismissing and the choice of words made her look like really bad.
She sounded really happy though, like she seriously enjoyed her time and I am so happy for this.
that's not what i'm saying. not releasing the amount of money she has already made at san japan is just extremely fishy to me, and the more time passes between sj and the next time she updates the artists with sales figures, the more likely it is something gets 'lost'
with her track record, i find it extremely fishy that she is going to only use part of the total sales to calculate what the artists are going to receive.
think of it this way: you have a partner and the two of you make jewelry, they make the designs, you craft them and sell them. when your partner wants to know about the money, you tell them you're going to give them their share of the proceeds of the online store and even send them the receipts for that, yet you don't mention the amount you have made selling at last week's craft fair at all. still sound fair and legit?
what, it's a perfectly valid reason
living that hermit life
She's making shitty fucking tutorials again? Great, not we can laugh at her fail the basics of everything and try to teach that to others.
Why isn't she announcing the zine on her main channel tho? Why isn't she advertising it on her tumblr, insta and twitter like crazy right now? Like iI know it's because she's already backed up too much but if she didn't want to do this anymore she needs to give up the rights to the project, hand over all the files to someone more reliable and let them find a bookpress and release it. She's fucked this up so hard so many times it's crazy she's still trying to get away with it.
She shouldn't be making any money off this shit after everything is said and done.
She can't do things the easy way, she has to do it HER WAY and make it look as shitty as possible the entire time. Holy doesn't need masks or overlays, shes a PROFESSIONAL
But OT for me I don't understand people who make sketches irl then use that as the line work to color on PC, like why not redo the lines? Doesn't that give you another nicer chance to redo and fix more mistakes you might have missed? Make it look more fluid and flowing? Lines like that stick out so sorely, like most of Holly's work
but you only have to fix your mistakes when you're an amateur!! clearly holly is so professional, she's not making any whatsoever!! they're not mIsTaKeS, that's just HER STYLE!!
(yes, please, tutorials from an artist who less than a day ago asked for ps advice on twitter that i, someone who doesn't even use ps to draw, could have answered)
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So on the left, holly clearly took the time to layer all these sketches in an appealing way, and then on the next page she just said fuck it, lets leave 50% of the page blank..?? I'm so confused with this girl honestly. It's like she has the ability to make something that looks good but not the taste to know when it looks good.
None of this looks good, one page is a clusterfuck of shitty sketches that should be left in your class sketchbook for the teacher to critic and grade (Holly gets 5%, 5% was for effort as in she drew something)The second page has two drawing you might see in an artbook but the anatomy and perspective is so off they look ready to float off the page, and blank white space for them to float in.
Holly doesn't know what aesthetic or placement is does she? I'd flip through this book and laugh that someone was dumb enough to sell this to the public.
Holly won't give it up because she needs another excuse to call herself 'busy'…
I wonder if she'd be the kind of person to go behind people's backs and take the zine to a professional printer without saying anything, just so she can have people out of her hair. I certainly wouldn't put it past her,
she's such a control freak…
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Every time I see her do any kind of layout
Friend, you might want to reconsider. Having lines on a transparent background is pretty common and it speeds up flatting time. Plus, you can change the colour of the line easily, and achieve softer effects using lighter colours for stuff that needs to be fluffier or give depths changing the colour of the backgrounds applying aerial perspective.
What absolutely drives me insane is how amateurish is at doing simple things. She has no idea of which shortcuts to use and is over complicating simple processes like clipping.
Still shitty she did it in the first place, she should have dealt with the zine first and whatever she had leftover (if any) she could have used for the con, she fucked this up completely.
Shouldn't she have had all the orders that weren't fulfilled in a list already? Shouldn't she have had that list BACK when she first got the orders and kept note of who was sent their and who wasn't? She's asking for the artists to email her their orders AGAIN? Holly what the fuck are you doing?
Dude I ordered 10. I even emailed her asking if I could pay extra to get them before my August conventions. I understand if there is a queue but I hoped I’d MAYBE have some to sell at Otakon and the cons I have this month since I haven’t heard anything from her and her emails keep getting “lost”
I’m kinda over this zine entirely and if I don’t get anything by the end of this month and no responses I will flip shit. She’s irresponsible and I’m sick of stupid kids who have no organizational skills running zines.
Holy has stated she's 'bi' but wouldn't date a girl unless she was a 10 (y'know out of her leuge and impossible)
Holly likes pretty girls just like everyone else does ffs, she's a shitty fetishistic fujo who likes 'straight' guys getting 'raped gay' because that's the fucking thing with these girls, it's so weird.
Okay, this is a train wreck just like every other Holly BRown vid. she's talking about color theory but it's so clear she doesn't understand her basics, even though she thinks shes a pro kek
can we get a DL for this once it's wrapped up please?
she has no idea how screentone works or why artists use it
dumbass… read some damn tutorials at least
samefagging but jesus fucking christ pretty sure she just lowered the opacity of her screentone to "make it lighter"
She owns Clip Studio Paint though??? If she played with the screentones ONCE she'd know that's not how they work? This is honestly embarassing
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she can't even plagiarise anime elves properly. This artist makes this kind of structure in the ear so holly turns it into some kind of painful looking malformation
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i can't cap the worst examples because it's lost in her stream but you'll see sooner or later ears she's doing look like the ear has two gauges in it
that…looks weird. is she filling them in like shadows so that she doesn’t have to draw the details on the ears or something?
holly’s entitled to her opinions, i suppose, but that doesn’t mean we can’t call her out for how fucking stupid she sounds. not to be that person, but her uneducated southern white roots really show when she tries to discuss anything about culture. i come from white trash too, but i don’t pretend that slave owners were in any way justified in what they did. i think that would be obvious to anyone who had even the most rudimentary glossing over of the history of black slavery. but whatever, if it doesn’t affect Holly, then it doesn’t matter, right? just like how she doesn’t want to be anywhere near lgbt protests or even live in a state where there’s a strong leaning towards a different political party than the one she aligns herself with.
I’ve JUST started watching it and she’s already saying crap to excuse her poor writing skills.
Holly, you NEED to be able to summarise your comic, being complicated and all the details don’t matter. You need to be able to tell people what’s happening, if you can’t do this it’s because provably you only have a vague idea, some scenes you want to draw and you know you want x characters. That’s not a story.
At least she's not only fetishizing gay, but lesbian relationships too. Equal opportunity \s.>>682103
Michelle and Holly have really similar voices, it's weird.
Alright. For posterity and the sake of receipts, here are download links for these streams before they get pulled from being unlisted/archived.https://mega.nz/#!OfxmGCKT!GRPImx5KUUU4wJmIelqGYcKRXKSiZX993lAnc48SSJMhttps://mega.nz/#!PWx0VIbK!Oa8uGx_bvO6QbsgJOefhVz5FC73_Hqkgul_2_J1_L0k
If no-one else does I'll probably scrub through them to provide some time-stamps for notable dumb shit, e.g. her comments on slavery, zine bitching and moaning.
I think she's just become bolder about being herself online, which would be a good thing if who she is wasn't terrible.
Also people change, sometimes for the worse.
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In case someone missed. She spelled beginner wrong.
not sure if sage or not.
Her new porn comic is about a man being enslaved by another man and then raped by him but it isn't really rape
gaiz cuz the slaver is totes gonna make the slave want
how… i mean, HOW can someone be so absolutely unaware of the bullshit they are spewing. even at her age, it's just absolutely astonishing, her lack of selfawareness>>682274
i would try and help but i watched like the first 15min of one of them and i just, i can't take the levels of stupid running rampant in this.
Like I understand dark themes like rape and slavery depending on the world and the character it can build a lot but when it’s every. Fucking. Thing. She. Makes.
It’s like she doesn’t understand why rape, molestation and slavery are serious topics and need to be treated seriously, if she just wants to make fucking fetish porn she needs to get fucking educated real fast because BDSM and kink doesn’t = rape comics till the end of time
making assumptions here, but i think holly's definition of "rape" is rather narrow, as well, therefore she doesn't see the problems in her stuff. aside from purgatory, where (i assume) it was meant to be disgusting, she has this idea that there's nothing wrong with coercing and manipulating a person into sex, when clearly, there is.
again, i am making assumptions here. but judging from her general attitude to "sjw shit", i wouldn't put it past her to not see the issue with a huge imbalance of power in a romantic relationship.
I don't think that's such a leap to reason. I'd even reason that it's probably a fetish of hers, but she doesn't explore that in her art in a constructive way.
Not here to armchair, but these are recurring themes in her projects. Even Clever Kitchen had aspects of it in just the way she designed the main kid…
I think she needs to be honest with herself about Paranormal Plague, because it's going at a snail's pace, nobody knows what it's about still, but oh, we sure do know what the sex lives of Herschel and Reese are like, so obviously we know where her priorities are.
That’s the thing, I don’t think Holly has ever been in a relationship before let alone a sexual one. I almost honk she’s too afraid to watch normal porn and just stick to cartoon porn so she can more easily insert herself into the scenario seeing as she obviously doesn’t know what sex looks like, sounds like (trust trust) or feels like.
She really needs to go out and get a fuck buddy and a few friends to get all that pent up anger and sexual aggression
This is true. It helps with natural dialogue and expressions too. You gotta socialize to an extent if it isn't coming to you innately.
Also. I can't wait for her shitty writing in the slavery comic that explains the slavery as part of the elves culture. I have a feeling it'll be at least a little milky
It’s like she doesn’t understand why rape, molestation and slavery are serious topics and need to be treated seriously, if she just wants to make fucking fetish porn she needs to get fucking educated real fast because BDSM and kink doesn’t = rape comics till the end of time
I think it would honestly be less dumb if she owned up to what she was doing and just said, "these comics are about rape, rape is my fetish," instead of this retarded beating around the bush.
Holly doesn't make comics about BDSM, or even gay porn. It's a fantasy generally detached from reality and I see this attitude with a lot of Fujos that being a creepy rapist is somehow cute/romantic/acceptable. I don't think she actually sees it as rape because none of her gay characters are fleshed out human beings.
I think making NSFW comics is a bad move for her because the only reason she can get away with it is because BL standards are below the surface of the earth, and most of her fans are 15 (physically or mentally).
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Anyone else think it's tacky she sells tablets she gets for free instead of doing giveaways like must artists?
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Is it weird that I don't believe her
Can i say that I love how Holly cant seem to find simple solutions to her problem. Like why the fuck would you want to deal with storeenvy when you have the zine to deal with. If I were her ass i would dedicate a few days to getting out all those orders and deal with all the zine stuff related so people could get off my ass.
Honestly she is problably making something up to buy time and excuses for everyone. So i agree with you anon on that one
Don't worry, I don't believe her either.
I was considering buying that elf rape comic when it comes out just to see how bad it is and to share, but after seeing how she's been handling people's private information (uploading it to a doc for a lot of people to see, letting addresses slip uncensored in videos, etc) I wouldn't trust her to keep any personal info safe.
she’s probably telling the truth, but i’d also like to stress the fact that she is incapable of saving money at all, much less putting some aside for emergencies every once in a while. yeah, it fucking sucks, but we know she isn’t paying for all of it by herself.
nitpicking a lil here; it wouldn’t sound so weird if it wasn’t for the fact that she begs for money all the time. lots of ppl have shit happen out of nowhere and thus have sales on their online shops in hopes of getting some more traffic immediately. they also mention the reason why, and even if it’s done for sympathy points, it’s alright bc it’s not like they do that all the fucking time (unlike holly) and complain about getting orders. i’ve never heard an artist complain about packaging stuff that ppl have bought from them before Holly. She shits on fast food and other minimum wage jobs, yet she also whines about having an online store. well, what the fuck do you want to do to make money, BRown? Your art skills aren’t even close to being good enough to make rape comics/fujo porn for a living.
Heh, wonder what she wants this
Not gonna lie, seeing her spin her wheels and flounder about makes for good amusement. The con was an absolute flop and I highly doubt she's making as many sales on her shop. I wonder how long it'll be before she phases the Zine out of circulation…
I'll be sitting back watching all the dumb shit she's bound to purchase in the meantime.
Everyone is speculating on whether Holly has a rape fetish or not, but she definitely does. When killing/stalking (an unabashed rape fetish yaoi) was popular she was blogging about it CONSTANTLY and heavily identified with finding bdsm/noncon appealing. This was around the time when she inserted the rape scene into Purgatory, too, and the way she spoke about it in vlogs/live streams before it was published (now deleted/unlisted) made it clear that she was getting off on it. Her justification for why she included it in the comic kept changing as people realized it was kind of fucked up. Anyway. Holly was very public about getting off to killing/stalking and to rape/noncon in general and as much as she tries to scrub her image clear now, it's obvious that all the rape in her stories is completely intentional and for her own arousal.
All said, I don't think Holly identifies as someone who likes "real rape" and would probably defend herself against those accusations even though the stuff she writes is undeniably rape. I think she believes that her stuff is not "real rape" because she always justifies it by having the characters actually like it or give dubious consent after the fact or fall in love so it's all okay. Or make up stupid fucking elf slave universes to justify rape. The end result is the same, she's a shitty fujo with a rape fetish who wants to have her cake and eat it too.
like the porn is one thing but it's disgusting that she can't not let her fetishes seep into her sfw works and that's why people call her a fujo
sage for blogposting but at this point it's pretty much beyond debate imho
Not to mention the fujo crowd seems to be very large so she definitely has a market, unfortunately. It doesn't matter how shitty her characters, stories or art is, really. What matters are the archetypes and hitting all those same notes that make up those same stories that she can get away with peddling to the same crowd.
The only hope is that maybe a chunk of her current crowd will be alienated and turned off from the themes that are becoming more and more pervasive.
And that she'll just lean entirely into the NSFW bullshit and leave YouTube because she can't post dicks there. She's been doing the "whoops can't show that cause it's got dicks in it" shtick more often and I guess that's just gonna be her little gimmick from here on out.
It all makes for good milk I suppose but personally speaking, I just want her to stop altogether,or get called out on. But whatever, dumpster fire is cool too. For when you're bored.
True, I just associate it more with Fujos because most people grow out of it past their teens, but in BL it never seems to go away. >>682722
I don't actually think she's lying, but the tweet is still guilting people.>Ugh I want to die, please buy my stuff so I don't!
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Wow lookit dem pecks bby
For real I’m starting to think she traces all of her bodies for “anatomy studies” because they are so stiff, unnatural and blocky.
Bodies don’t look or form or connect in any of these ways
It's entirely possible she also does this for assignments, since online life drawing classes (which are horrible regardless of the school because life drawing is supposed to be done in person) at RMCAD use videos of the models. So if Holly wanted to she could easily pause the video and trace it.
Although the above image probably wasn't traced because it's on canvas, which is hard to trace onto.
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Do you have an example of her older better studies? My memory sucks but I coulda sworn theyve all been shit.>>683294
I agree with that tbh
Oh look Holly is telling people what to do again because she doesn’t understand why someone would buy something and have it not be the same reasons as her
Can she shut the fuck up already, it annoys me so much when she pulls this hollier than thou bullshit
"Hollier" than thou bullshit.
I laughed. I don't know if you did that on purpose, but yes.
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>>683348>the sad artschool shit doesnt appeal to me
Just post your influence map and go, oh my fucking god. She really can't express herself without having to tear something else down in the same breath, how can you be this
that was my exact thought!! i can see how she tries to emulate some of the others in stuff like her landscape paintings and “studies”, but her wonky style is so prominent that it outshines any good influences.
it’s pretty great how she makes fun of the art in manga like Yu Gi Oh and in some anime, yet it’s influenced her so much that she has to make everything look “graphic”/like it’s out of a comic. (a bad comic, that is)
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It's so funny to me that she lists City Hunter as an inspiration when she just sticks to this wonky ass anime style while the good parts of it lean more towards realism.
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She was streaming Gravitation which is apparently ratchet?
her stupidity is fabulous. she'll say anything to explain her shitty art lmfaoooo
also which stream??
She does. There was also a moment in the stream where she tried to explain what makes someone gay, and saying it has to do with romantic interest and sexual interest doesn't make you gay. It was bizarre. She really does sound like she parrots the opinions of those around her without any actual knowledge whether it be social or scientific.>>683855
It was her last stream, the elf slave comic one. Normally I don't sit through her full streams but my controller had died so I just sort of sat there and suffered through it all lol
Which is funny, because she claims she is bi.
But in the stream she was talking about Kim Possible, and how that show shaped her sexuality as an adult. She never once mentioned women, but she did say Ron Stoppable was her thing, and she is super attracted to nerdy men now.
I never hear her talk about women in the way she talks about men. Maybe I've missed it, but I doubt it.
haha holy shit i love seeing her put real local businesses in her comics but butchering the names, i guess to """avoid copyright infringement"""
First Adult Megaplex, which became "ADUT MEGAXX"
Now Salsalitos has become "Salsalitios."
are there any more? i love this shit
sage for blogpost