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Holly BRown is a bad artist, YouTuber, webcomic author, and fujoshi popular with edgy children for her "no bullshit" attitude despite not accepting any criticism.
She believes she's known for two webcomics:
Purgatory, her oldest and worst comic, about two gay teens in a cult with lots of rape: https://tapas.io/series/Purgatory
Paranormal Plague, whose most-drawn character hasn't been introduced, with rape DLC: https://tapas.io/series/Paranormalplague
She also wrote Chroma Prince, a Patreon-only NSFW yaoi comic about alien sex slaves. She only did 4 pages before shutting down her Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/hollybrown
She's actually most known for ranting about the CalArts admissions process being unfair even though she was DEFINITELY accepted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB90iDxOcIg
WEBSITE (currently deleted): https://www.hollycbrown.com/
TWITTER (currently deleted): https://twitter.com/HCBrownart
TUMBLR (currently deleted): http://bullshitshitpostmainaccount.tumblr.com/
In the last thread:>Got her laser and started making ugly, useless crap such as cat clocks, wooden sketchbooks, wooden charms of her OCs, acrylic stands of her OCs, wooden watercolor palettes, etc.>Updated Purgatory several times and the quality continued to get shittier and shittier>Shaved off all of her hair because she was tired of taking care of it and decided to wear wigs instead. She has destroyed several wigs at this point.>Got a new car>Has delayed her Kickstarter project for printing Purgatory, which was promised to be ready by June. She keeps blaming Amazon as the reason why the books are late.>Got a job at Amazon, and was immediately fired.>Her sister and young niece moved back in to her mom's (aunt's) house, which is where Holly also lives.>Openly complained about her sister to her followers>Lost a lot of her money due to medical expenses and begged for commissions on Instagram stories and YouTube livestreams>Announced that she's planning on moving out of her mom's house into an apartment in October. As a result she's going to sell her laser after having it for about 2 months. >Got a 9-5 job related to graphic design, but quit after 2 days because of "depression" and "panic attacks." She also complained about having to use Corel Draw instead of Adobe Illustrator at work, and whined about being payed $12 per hour.>Asked about how to become a prostitute on a (now unlisted) livestream and said she considered being a camgirl but she's "ugly and her boobs are bad">Is now gonna do "freelance">Going to open her 3rd Patreon in an attempt to support herself>Said on a livestream how she picked up an X-acto knife and contemplated cutting herself again.
whoa tuned in and she's already immediately talking about how she's overqualified for all the jobs she applies for and that she's great at stocking groceries.
>"I'm surprised I'm not known as the complainer one"
She really is… It's just really tragic, honestly, to see how she's spiralling. She seems to truly believe that she's overqualified for all these minimum wage part time jobs. She even says how she'll show up to work, after getting fired from Amazon and quitting a graphic design job super quickly. Clearly she's not got a good track record.
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Fucking disgusting. She’s one of the few people I’ve seen that actually resemble the sole of a foot, just thinking about her camming makes me want to vomit.
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I love how this popped up on my tl while all this is happening kek
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I got you fam. 1/3
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Jesus fucking Christ Holly. She would do literally anything to make a buck as long as it takes little to no effort whatsoever.
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Here's the overview on her Patreon:
>I've tried making a consistent living through art for years, doing multiple things, failing multiple times. So I wanted to create this patreon to simplify my goals and to show people exclusive content.
I mean… good for her for being honest about her fuck-ups I guess? But it'll also scare away a lot of potential patrons if she tells them up front that she has a history of fucking up constantly.
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Also she spelled tier as "teir"
Jesus Christ, her patreon is such a trainwreck, it's all about how SHE'LL be stable and happy and fulfilled. Patreon isn't a cash cow to satisfy your needs, it's not about what YOU get out of it Holly, it's about what you can offer to those who support you. It's so obvious this is another half assed thing, there's no structure whatsoever in her tiers, for 10 dollars she'll mail you a random sketch?? When she reaches 550 a month sh'll have her car payments covered?? I don't care about this as a possible buyer,it makes people feel like they have an obligation to support you because you're struggling and patreon isn't about that, if people are going to pay a monthly fee, they better well get their money's worth, not pay you out of pity so you don't have to work a job like everyone else.
How will she keep up with her rewards if she wants to sell the laser printer?>>843364
Also throws out any chance to get experience in her field
If this isn't shooting herself in the foot (no pun intended) I don't know what is.
If this comes up when a prospective employer googles her, I imagine she's going to have a much harder time finding a job.
I'm personally betting on someone's weird requests/ comments freaking her out. As much as she likes to pretend that she's super kinky and that nothing fazes her, she's a fucking virgin prude, we all saw her oh-so-kinky-bdsm trust trust
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Anyone find it odd that the main couple in purgatory looks like brothers Gerard and Mikey Way from My Chemical Romance?
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It’s not really hard to look up the account and see for yourself, anon. One of the comments left on the most recent photo during the stream.
It's honestly really sad. There was a point after the tracing fiasco where she went dark that I thought she was really pulling her shit together. She's worse than ever now. I want to enjoy the milk but it feels bad after I was kind of rooting for her. >>843639
The comments from holy_hand_grenades are also from her number one thirstposter from the chat.
agreed. I feel like holly is slipping. her mental health has been deteriorating for some time now, and watching it all happen has gotten more and more depressing. I genuinely hope she gets her shit together and starts actively trying to better herself, but it's not looking good.
she should get a part time job. even holly can manage ~20 hours a week, I'm sure.
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Here's a screenshot of her showing it off to her followers during the stream
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Been following the HB saga for a while and had no idea that she would start doing foot porn.
Seriously, Holly is reaching historical lolcow status.
this, it's so obvious once you get familiar with her lies >bfa 99% complete but - on further assessment, it's not a good use of funds
is her narrative that you shouldn't buy, any more than you'd buy>got into calarts but - on further assessment, it's not a good use of funds
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It all comes around. At the beginning of the HB saga Holly was making sketch books and selling them. In terms of Holly making money with her skills this was pretty successful. Now she’s back at it and I don’t understand how Holly thinks anyone would want to buy this. I don’t doubt that some of them will sell but it’s just so hard to see Holly waste so much time and money.
That layout is so horrid.
Will she fix it? most likely not, the only way this works as a "test" is to see how many folks will be willing to empty their pockets for her subpar notebooks.
The color is not too bad though, I'll give her that.
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New Patreon Overview:
>I have been having a lot of people tell me that I should try patreon again, I've tried before and it didn't work out as well as I had hoped because I had put too much expectation on it and I've never really made one just for my YouTube channel, just my comics. So I decided comics are something I do on my own, but since most my audience is YouTube it does make more sense to make this for my channel. I will post a bunch of stuff on here, sketches, doodles, ( a private discord) and early access videos, and when you're a patron you can be apart of polls to decide future videos and challenges.
For a while I've kinda avoided doing things in fear people will be mad at me or think I'm a sellout, but patreon is completely optional and a service I want to provide for people who like me and want to support me, not a requirement. The support will make it possible for me to function and also produce a lot of art, content and products, and hopefully financially and mentally stable in the future. Thanks so much for being a patron, I will post as frequently as possible, and link any time I'm going live on youtube.
She mentioned the foot fetish account on her latest stream, she was surprised/mad that it only got 2 likes and said that she wasn’t going to use it again. I think this is a new record of how long it took for her to abandon yet another get rich quick scheme again.
She should really just stop with the schemes because this one is the most embarrassing. And I really don’t want to know how she could go lower after this.
Really minor nitpick but it really triggers
me how the food have no actual theme, usually with food-themed stuff you'd get a set of Japanese food, a set of fast food, a set of cakes, but she just throws Japanese stuff with pizza with fries and it just looks so lazy.
it was most likely something like a printing place or a content farm, pretty much anyone who can use photoshop can get a job in those places.
the graphic design industry doesn't have very high standards
I'm curious if she's tried any MLMs yet- and if not, how long it will be before she tries one.
Seems like she'd be the "ideal" candidate for one- she's looking for a get-rich-quick scheme from working on her own terms, from home and using the internet/social media.
She's already shown she's willing to toss a lot of money into new business ventures too.
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Why is punching a hole in papers seems so Stressful to her?
merch's production or dealing with weird people in con is more stressful than this
Too much effort. Don't you know how incredibly stressful it is to pull levers and move small stacks of paper from the hole puncher to a table. I feel exhausted just typing about it. /s
In all seriousness, anything that requires being responsible is too much for her. She needs some professional counseling because eventually, her family are going to start demanding she pull her own weight around the house. As she currently is, that might legitimately cause her to have a mental breakdown. She isn't prepared for the real world the way she is.
I hope she's actually joking about becoming a hooker and not half joking. The bit that would worry her most is getting arrested, nothing else. Really?
I want to assume it was just talking shit but after the foot fetish stuff I don't know what to believe. She seems to be on a bit of a self destructive path right now.
She’s just running from her problems instead of solving the root cause. Nothing we haven’t seen before. If by some miracle she’s able to move out I wonder how long it’ll take before she’s served her eviction notice. I guess it depends on how nice/sympathetic her landlord is. >>844088
I doubt she’d be able to dive into that not only because her concerns are horribly skewed but more so because human interaction makes her so uncomfortable and for all her talk she couldn’t handle the sexual comments. She might think she’ll feel safer behind a screen hence the cam girl talk but she’s way too thin skinned.
Tbh I thought the colour was the worst thing about it, since its food related maybe a soft cream colour since there's sushi, milk, and onigiri so the colour would work if its closer to white
Like why would you want a bright purple pizza, that is the most in appetizing colour for pizza and fries and fucking milk
Whats wrong with hollys eyes
Also the foods aren't even fully related
The fries and pizza would work well with pop and burgers
The sushi would go well with other Japanese foods and drinks and if she wanted she could do a third one for movie snacks like popcorn soda and candy bars
Like she could have actually made cohesive themed sketch books that would have actually been cute had she thought things out ad took the time to make things match and make sense
Sorry for the rant it just annoys me so much seeing all her mistakes when a solution with an outcome of many products would be really simple
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Holly got a new green wig. And she's once again bitching about shit. 1/2
That's the upgrade, 2.0 bitch!
… I kinda want to see if she'll go as far as to get an actual tan to resemble her precious wanton degenerate.
Vitamin D could do her some good
She can’t style a wig worth a damn can she? Then again she couldn’t/wouldn’t do as much with her own hair so I shouldn’t expect as much. But if she thinks she looks bad in dark colors but wants “fun” colors then just try lighter colors? >>844549>litterally
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they're clip ins, they came free with her wig order apparently. >>844609
I think she looks kind of cute here but it's only a matter of time before that wig becomes a matted mess like her old one. I don't even know how she manages to ruin them so quick.
i think she unconsciously wants the patreon and several of her latest ventures to fail, so she can be forced to give up the car etc. she doesn't want to actively give it up so she is putting in already-sabotaged effort saying 'you never know, someone might
drop a million dollars on my footsite/patreon if i make one' but knowing …not really
Because for no reason she spazzed out and shaved her head for no reason… Whether you're a health nurse or not, thats not something normal people do when you watch how she went about doing it and how manic she acted
Plus she seems to be very unstable when talking about how she wantd to harm herself and keeps talking about dying which is not what normal people think about on a regular basis
It seems most patrons are in the 5 dollar tier, so I doubt she has to do much with it. Also noticed keith is a pledger.
I feel like lately her mom has become more frustrated with her and is putting pressure on her to get a job and now Holly must face reality that her art won't really get her far.
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…maybe it's just me, but could she present herself in a more unappealing way?
It wasn't for no reason exactly. She tried to dye her hair dark green like Reese's and it turned out horribly. So she shaved it off, which tbh wasn't the worse decision. It was super damaged.>>844787
You're either new to HB or bad at your job.
Yeah thats true that she had a reason to shave it, but she still did it in a very sporadic way that definently makes the viewer watching it think shes unstable
Shes definently distressed at the moment so anything could set off a break down, hopefully she'll be able to get some help before she she ends up doing something detrimental to her safety
Like I know she's done alot of shitty things but watching her spiral into such manic states is pretty concerning
She's talking about cutting again.
She cut her hair for no good reason, said she doesn't regret it and then two days later starts spending money on wigs.
Complains that she has no money and then makes sudden hugely expensive purchases that she's obsessed about for a while and then loses interest.
Apparently has panic attacks working a normal 9-5. Not just doesn't enjoy it like many don't but actually wanting to do anything to get away from there including self harm.
Says that the only thing that worries her about sex work is getting arrested. Not her health or safety. She said she literally does not care about that.
Some of this could be explained by poor judgement or just her being over dramatic and making excuses but when you put it all together it doesn't exactly paint a healthy picture.
If you're not in the middle of an active psychotic break you're "not that unstable" I guess.
Her history with self-harm and desire to continue it is more than enough to be alarming, even if you ignore how far she's fallen in the last year. She is incredibly self-destructive. She might not be at the point where she should go inpatient (unless she does self-harm again) but that doesn't mean she's well.
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Holly the last thing you should be doing is mention doing zine work since most people know you as the person who made the train wreck bnha zine.
I think she mostly means self published zines, since she mentioned she never wanted to do a collaboration
like that again.
Which is probably a good idea with the way she mismanaged every step of the way. Meanwhile her personal comic got the professional printing treatment. I'll never forget that and the way she treated those artists.
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Shes just oversharing,"i wanna kill myself hahajk"," should have gone full out prostitute hahajk", being quIrkY
, saying her usual catchphrase "i'm such a bitch lol" and ye old self deprecation.
Her stream is also flashing and she doesnt seem to know because quality control.
I can't listen to her more than 2 minutes because its an adult who sounds like a 13yr old peak edge and she truly doesnt change. The giggles she does are autistic.
Am I the only one who thinks she's being fucking immature about this? Like, I get being frustrated when expensive stuff breaks but if it's genuinely the company's fault and she's still under warranty, just tell them fix/replace it and get over with it. Don't shit all over them in front of your audience before they even responded. Unless she actually knows it was her mistake and is trying to do damage control now.
Also, bitching about how much you hate doing fanart when you plan to sell it at a con seems kind of counterproductive? Why woud anyone want to buy something from an artist who admits that she halfassed the whole thing as a last resort
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Ha, she just said that she loves drawing hands.
Considering this is the hand she drew just now I can't even…
Like, I'm not sure what finger is supposed to be what, or what they're supposed to be fucking doing rn
I mean, it is just a sketch, but it's just soo bad…
why the fuck does she has to do everything in the most snobby way possible.
will we ever see the day holly humbles herself???
holly, theres nothing wrong with doing fanart. stop acting like it's beneath you
>I lost all my artistic integrity wahhhhhhhh
stfu, Holly. You never had any to begin with
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The beginning of her new channel>"I'm going to change, be more positive, and mature"
Today>repeats the same stupid shit like years prior with still as large ego refusing any fault, and thinks doing something like getting a job or making fanart is for peasants
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Hey, Keith is back.
All of this is coming off like she doesn't have friends/a support network that she can healthily vent to. So instead, she directly vents to her audience/target market on social media.
Not a smart move, it makes her look unprofessional and desperate. She's attaching negative emotions to her products and brand by being reactionary. Which no doubt is going to put people off buying her stuff.
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>>845428>like she doesn't have friends/a support network So instead, she directly vents to her audience/target market on social media.
she said this is exactly the case. and she said therapists tell you not to do it and that she will anyway because .. i can't remember, i think because she didn't have any other way to cope
Remember she's also aware that all of her base are there to hear her voice and not her art so, if it's bad for art sales she may on some level not care
I thought the reason that most people did fan art was just because they enjoyed it? I mean yeah, people who make simple charms of every main character from a show or something similar probably didn't LOVE doing it, but there are a lot of prints and such where the artist genuinely enjoyed putting their spin on the characters. You don't usually see people making fan art for characters they know nothing about or don't care about lmao.
Plus, holly HAS made fan art in the past that she seemed to at least like making and that wasn't for sale. At least, I vaguely remember that she's done sketches of various characters from shows and a couple crappy pieces just for fun.
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Bryan Loren sounds like he lurks in the forums.
Yeah she responded to him quite a bit. He said that she doesn't put in enough effort. She disagreed,
saying she DOES put in effort, just not in the way Bryan wants (whatever that means), and that she's doing everything her way and doing what she thinks works. She also admits that it takes her forever to learn, she'll make the same mistake a million times, and if someone continues to give her criticism she'll just see that as a challenge and will keep making the same mistakes out of stubbornness.
She also says she'd rather make art that speaks to her instead of making art that's "perfect"
it doesn't get any more millenial than 50k worth of college debt but keep telling yourself you're so much better than everyone, holly.>>845470>doesn't whine
all she DOES is whine! this entire stream has been whining about her stupid fucking printer, her last stream was whining about money and depression. she never fucking stops.
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Wait, what? Holly ranted fairly recently about how people on here are sad and hateful because we don't have friends, and she doesn't need to vent on forums because (unlike people criticising her) she has friends, but okay then… She's a mess
This is kind of old but what the fuck - https://youtu.be/iS13L7nVjuQ?t=9330
"people think I'm black because a lot of white girls do not have opinions"
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TD is the worst example to follow she’s a joke she spends so much time complaining about how hard her life is and all her mental illness meanwhile her entire adult life she’s freeloaded barely worked and claims she can’t work because [insert mental illness here] so she couch surfed until she met her now husband who’s job pays for her rent, but somehow going to AX every year was top priority.
As for the laser breaking being suspicious, I actually thought so too but not for getting money back, it’s an excuse to not fill her Etsy orders until after San Japan. Maybe she can’t afford materials so she’s prioritizing San Japan merch. This gives her the perfect excuse to hold orders until after the con. Plus she still has to make keychains for her Kickstarter backers.
Yep, she she had the choice of either paying for her remaining years out of pocket or quitting
Naturally, she quit
That's her problem, she's got no anchor. She's wasted so much time, energy and money (and OTHER people's money) floating from scheme to scheme. She's been in a corner for EVER. >>845656
No one cares.
Yeah. When someone asked if she was trans in the stream she got butthurt and then asked if they meant MTF or FTM. She was ready to make a comment on it but then used her brain for once and shut up.
It's like she doesn't know what being a tomboy is pretty common but that's Holly. She's "not like other girls".
I wouldn't be surprised if she actually did. She's so heavy handed and never takes care of her shit. It's either broken, collecting dust, or both.
She fucked up her normal printer how many times, now?
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Cool story. Any other humblebrags you want to shit up the thread with?
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The messed up bike spokes never fail to make me laugh.
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Did she mysteriously get her Amazon order already?
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I dont really get why she keeps making these. Nobody wants them. She is wasting wood, time and money. Only Purgatory fans would buy those, but they are just a bunch of kids who only like her comic because they don’t understand how bad it is. And im pretty sure they wont buy it. She really has the chance to make something actually relevant with this goddamn laser and make some money but she just delusionally keeps making these
I thought the main appeal of merch like this is to make you as a fan visible to other potential fans.
Doesn't serve much purpose if the comic has a very small following and the characters or style aren't especially memorable in any real way.
The stickers aren't particularly cute in a decorative sense either so it's not like a non-fan would find them appealing.
Surely stickers of food - similar to the designs she's shown before - would be much more popular. But I guess there's a lot more competition for that sort of stuff.
Wait a second, I thought they were just replacing the tube, why does she think the whole thing is getting replaced? Either >>845792
was wrong, something suddenly changed or Holly is misrepresenting/wording things poorly again?
Not only that, but it seems like she's going to stream that solely so that she can point at the stream later when ppl say they haven't gotten their orders yet, as if to say, "see!! I packaged orders for an hr! I did work!!" Probs also because she's lurked here and knows we'll be on her immediately when she fucks this up.
Little late to ask, but that part about the tube on her laser printer exploding sounded…uhh… pretty dangerous? Dunno what kind of shit is in those, assuming it probably has glass that could have exploded into tiny sharp fragments. I hope she cleaned up the mess somewhat and kept her animals away from it.
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I always wonder why does holly have such a big ego as an freelance artist but never work in professional original project (zine doesn't count).
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sage for non milk but holly stop watching this garbage and definitely stop putting it in your art playlists. lmao
Kinda Off Topic
This is Not Holly's InstaStory. This pic from rafagrassetti's q&A Instastory.
Wtf why would you watch this and why would you put it in a public playlist
Hee mental state is definently lacking…
Ppl with eating disorders look at fat ppl videos/pictures to keep themselves from eating.
Im not surprised she’s watching this tbh.
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Never seen the show but apparently the charater is, "Professor Venomous", the father of K.O. from "OK K.O.! Let's Be Heroes"
Well she follows Amberlynn too, I'm not surprised.>>846520
i don't think she's getting a new laser, iirc she just got the tube replacement. They'll probably do it for her so she has to ship it off to them
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She’s being intentionally vague about what’s actually being sent out to get fixed. She makes it sound like she has to send the entire thing. That doesn’t sound right.
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Wow it does look a bit like anon's edit>>845431
Also on the livestream, she said she is not a virgin??Having doubts she had sex if she draws flipped penises and rather does sex work than draw fan art
It's been like 3 days and that wig already starting to look like it's been through the wringer. What the fuck did she do to the fringe?
I also find it hard to believe they are sending her a whole new laser and not just the tube, I wonder if she's being vague so when she goes to sell it later she can act like it's brand new and get more for it (even though it'll still be used …)
Lol I meeting people i.e speaking to men online in other words. I take everything Holly says with a huge grain of salt.
I reckon she probably said to the laser company she has a huge following and landed a replacement because of it. There's no reason why she shouldn't get a replacement tube
Honestly, I agree. I think it fits her… she just needs to learn how to actually style a wig and not just slap it on her head without at least brushing it through.
I wear wigs at least 2-5 times a week and the care for wigs isn't much… you just have to make sure you wash them every few weeks and use things like fabric softener to condition synthetic wigs, or powder to take away the shine.
The quality of her green wig isn't that bad, she just needs to take care of it.
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Well that was fast…
That whole thing seems fishy as fuck.
Even if she's not full of shit and actually managed to destroy her lazer, it means she was shitting all over the company for nothing, considering they not only fixed the issue but actually sent her a brand new laser. Goddamn it Holly, get your fucking shit together
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AAAAAnd again she is making shit nobody is gonna buy, basically wasting time and material. Honestly she could just make cute keychains and shit that are simple and “kawaii” i guess like a cupcake or shit that people would really get hard for. She literally has thing thing she could make anything with but she chooses to make her ocs. Like GIRL you have serious financial problems and you could earn easy money with that thing. I feel like she is trying to fail on purpose
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She seriously needs to stop making OC merch no one will give a shit about. The fact she complains about not having money but blowing resources on this just infuriates me. She’s completely delusional if she thinks these will sell at the con.
I can’t believe there’s a whole stream of holly talking about how bad her mental state is and have her go on about what her unhealthy lifestyle is doing to her, it’s pretty sad that she really thinks that talking to her audience and asking them questions about medications and if meds can ever make her happy again instead of just not wanting to kill herself is appropriate… She says she has friends to talk to, she should talk to them and not make a video to her audience of teens that say edgy shit and might make her feel worse about it.
Also her Tommy Wiseau laugh is very annoying
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god holly please learn how to spell
Love yourself anon.
There are much cuter versions of these without loops that'll snap in the mail before it even gets to your house. And you can read them.
Here's one another anon linked to before https://anony.link/https://www.etsy.com/shop/LadyMaggies?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing_id=689878881
There's def something sketchy with the laser stuff. Wasn't she literally packing away the broken one a couple days ago? When replacing something like that most companies wait til they receive your broken one before sending out the replacement so you don't pull a fast one on them.>>847395
ngl I love purpleheart stuff, but there are ouija board keychains all over etsy that are 10 million times better than Holly's.
College* not "school".
She must have dropped out relatively recently, because I had a class with her only a year ago.>>847426
I go to RMCAD, and that's true. The online program is bad imo, though I admittedly don't have anything to compare it to.
It's a shame, because they in-person program is pretty good. Not sure why it's getting lost in translation.
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Out of all the absolute garbage merch she makes, I actually like this? If I saw it in an AA, I might actually stop and look at it. All the other sketchbook covers are shitty and there's one shown in a video with the same cutout feature but they're just weird cut outs of mouths and shit… it looks fucking stupid and is poorly put together like everything else she makes.
A lot of the artists I follow will even put up polls to ask what fanart they want to see them sell/is the most popular at the moment because that shit sells. I wish Holly would realize that it isn't selling out- it's just business. You need money to pay bills, put a roof over your head, and food in front of you- even if that means selling art of some popular series that you think is absolute trash but people will buy. Hell, I've bought some sort shitty art pieces in an AA just because I loved the series so much- Holly might be able to skate on by with her shit tier art by series popularity alone.
Of course TD is going to say that because
1. She's her friend
and 2. She tabled with her and doesn't want to admit she probably didn't make much either.
Holly herself admitted to putting around $4000 into SanJapan and only making back around $1500 so take everything TD says with a pinch of salt
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Just because it may be interesting - based on Socialblade she earns practically nothing with YouTube at this point. The "real" sum is usually somewhere between the lowest and highest. Not to mention that she hasn't even a quarter of her original following of her first channel back. So YT is definatelay no option for income anymore.
So assuming she gets the highest a month of $160, add the $22 she gets from patreon, she (if she's lucky) makes about $188 a month, lowest is $38. Adding on what she sells on Etsy, kinda hard to estimate but probably around $150-200 a month.
There is no way she is ever gonna be able to afford to move out with that amount of money. A bunch of that will have to go onto her car. Cons clearly don't work for her either. I get she doesn't want to work cause of mental health, but there is no feasible way she can live on that much money.
I work in yotuber relations, so i can provide more of a breakdown. For ever 1k view holly gets, she gets one dollar. If she has multiple ads on a video, like one ever 3 minutes, she get 3 dollars per 1k views. From what I've seen, she just let's YouTube auto place ads, so shes earning one dollar per 1 k view. This doesnt include any revenue her fans can give her during streams, but we usually recommend youtubers dont stream because most people dont watch those. A YouTuber who can get 24 thousand people to watch a video is going to get less then 1k people on the stream, and they most likely won't donate. Streams lose you more money because business' who want to work with you will see your average views per video drop significantly.
With my metric, I've determined that holly made less than 30 dollars last month, give or take. She might have earned a couple dollars streaming, but shes not making any money from YouTube
Yep. She shot herself in the foot moving channels AND deleting her Twitter. Besides her new channel, Instagram is where she is almost exclusively and she's not nearly pulling the numbers she would from before.
I guess it's easier to bullshit people when you have less social media presence.
ntayrt I suppose they're referring to "Twisted Disaster", Holly's friend.
(also, remember that unless you're bringing new info to the forum you should put "sage" in the email field!)
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I refreshed Purgatory to see if there were any updates, and I got an error screen saying the latest page didn't exist.
Turns out, Holly deleted ALL of her pages and is going to reupload the comic with her redraws.
Here's what she said on the first redraw page:
>Uploading the redrawn pages now cause I realized I'd have to post 70+ pages then delete them again just to post the redraws. 20+ pages a day for a week XOXOXOXOXO
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Here's her new pages. I think she might be uploading them out of order? She begins at a new part of the story and she has a weird chapter break in the middle of the scene. So she has either heavily edited the story or severely fucked up, and I'm thinking the latter
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Dammit wrong screenshot sorry
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She's uploaded up to page 27, but I don't wanna keep spamming the thread with more of Holly's redraws unless someone requests that all her new pages be uploaded here. Otherwise it's all there on her Tapas.
Out of context I feel like I'd have a difficult time discerning whether this should be read left to right or right to left because of how blandly composed the pages are>>848083
I love that in the first panel it seems like she was too lazy to finish drawing the pillow and bookcase behind him. Just doing the bare minimum.
That sidewalk tho…
She doesn’t have any passion for art anymore, that’s why she doesn’t notice. I honestly don’t know why people still support her comics when it’s clear she gave up on them a long time ago and is only pushing these pages out to finish it as fast as possible.
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Get your lies straight Holly I thought the company "Replaced it with a new one"
I'm gonna laugh my ass off if she does a video and the broken laser is sitting in the corner next to her dirty qtips
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Speaking of not being able to spell to save her life
This is on page 15 of the reuploaded Purgatory. Seriously, Holly?
Ngl, that Simon on the bottom right looks really good to me, aside from the tiny detail where the end of his glasses is hiding behind his ear (though i`m 90% certain it's a traced head). Damian looks as awful as usual, but Simon would have a good hairstyle if there wasn't a giant lock of hair randomly hanging over the middle of his face. There are aspects of this that I tolerate more than the original at least.
I can sort of see how these re-draws could be considered "improvements", what with the somewhat cleaner lines and the fact that Damian isn't wearing fucking booty shorts anymore, but like other anons have said, there are still some huge issues that Holly should have fixed before ever considering re-drawing the comic, both with her drawing skills and with the story itself. Not to mention that it was right near the conclusion anyways, wasn't it? That'd be like a mangaka suddenly stopping at the next to last volume of a series and saying, "Oh geez, guys, I know the manga's almost over, but I've decided to re-draw the entire thing now that I've improved my skillz!!"
Not to veer completely off topic, but it isn't the first time I've seen a webcomic artist purge their entire webcomic only to start posting the remake. It's irritating because it can take years to get to a climax or to a plot point, only to have it just… deleted. Agents of the Realm did that, but it's not like the artist improved drastically between the remake and the original, and she did it right after finishing volume 2. So it's just extra faff for no story!
Okay that's a stupid rant. Anyway it's just really dumb to remake and purge a comic to repost it, because then people are forced to read the whole god damned thing against instead of reach the conclusion.
Holly doesn't have an autism diagnosis. This is just a combination of her not interacting with many people and not wanting to put effort into writing anything that isn't a rape scene.
In general Holly's just rushing Purgatory as much as possible. I wonder what she'll do once it's over; redo it again? Or finally draw some PP (and get stuck in a redraw loop on that one, too)?
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something I came across when looking through previous threads. Is it just me or has she REALLY gotten so much worse? She was never anywhere near goo, but the comparison is jarring. Especially the fact that she has gotten so lazy, she barely colors anything now.
It seems like Holly gave way more of a shit back then. Like you said, she colored things back then, she bragged about 'accidentally spending' an entire day on a thumbnail for a video, and did all those challenges. Now all she does is make half-assed merch and comic pages she doesn't bother grey shading or fully completing, both story wise and in the inks.
It doesn't even matter that her art looks slightly better now (at least with Simon and the chins), because she can't be bothered to use that skill at all.
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>Hey dudes- if you backed the purgatory Kickstarter stuff is shipping this week so whatever email you bought stuff with will have a shipping number - sorry about delays I honestly just should’ve set up the Kickstarter to anticipate delays- anyways while working and packing orders this week on the tapastic page I’ve been posting the redraws- took literally 3 hours to delete the 400 pages of the old art and so everyday I’ll be posting 25-40 pages so we can finish this baby - thanks for support, I’m gonna be in full swing on social media’s soon, I know people have been annoyed with lack of content, I have hella ideas now that I’m gonna have more free time soon. Xoxoxoxoxo
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>I wanna post some panels that I like so sorry but I want my feed to actually have my my comic work in it sometimes - considering 99.9 percent of people don’t see my comic work haha
How many times has she restarted this comic? I remember the old one with red actually had an interesting style. Would've been nice to see that style get refined rather than… this.>>848106
I thought they were the nicest looking parts of the page to be honest.
Wait so are the Kickstarter backers getting the old pages or the new pages?
Also I'm glad purgatory seems like it's done now if since she mentioned the Kickstarter rewards. Then again I wouldn't put it past Holly to redo the whole thing in a month or two.
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I still can’t get over this reasoning.
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I know Holly sucks at spelling but what exactly happened here??
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Boy, you said it. Holly uploaded some more pages a few hours ago. This is page 58. Is it just me, or is that cup changing size between panels?
It is. Also dear god, that wooden floor looks atrocious. I know we joked a lot about Holly putting way too much detail into wood but I actually prefer that over whatever kinda botched job she did here.
Also lol "damians safe". I like to imagine a bunch of Damians all bunched up in a room, far from Holly's awful art, writing and spelling. At last, they are finally safe.
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Here's this priceless description on page 49. Wtf is with Holly and drawing every single fucking brick?
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oh shit lmfao
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no wonder its cheaper
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If you're not going to make this into a print for San Japan than what's the fucking point?
Why would you buy this when you could go outside and drag your sketchbook through the grass for the same effect?
The brown in the engraved lines are still visible and clashes with the grass-stain green and it’s gross.
This isn't as bad as some of her other spelling/grammar mistakes, but>effect
the word she is looking for is "affect", effect is the noun.
Plus the lack of apostrophe with "damians safe". These aren't major issues in casual discussion, but here it just looks unprofessional and rushed. Which pretty much describes her "style" nowadays.
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Sage for nothing super milky, but I was curious about who Holly was following on Instagram and the first listing made me gag.
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Last minute print-ordering=shocker! Which also means she's wasted some of her money on that Express option. With how close she cuts things, it wouldn't be surprising to hear her say she's getting the prints the day before San japan or something.
Btw, How late are the kickstarter books now? I doubt any anons ordered one, but I`m curious to hear from the few ppl who'll call her out online for missing orders.
They were supposed to ship out in May(?) so she’s incredibly late. Maybe if she hadn’t bought that damn laser on impulse and wasted time making useless crap with it, she might have finished by now.
I honestly don’t know how her followers/backers keep letting her off the hook for this. None of them hold her accountable when she pulls this shit.
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Pretty funny that her name is still written down as Holly BRown on San Japan's AA website. Even funnier that the link under her name leads to some illustrator named Ho-Seh Esquivel.
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Seems like it got mixed up, this person has her ig linked…
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Man, Holly is gonna get extra stressed when she finds out OK K.O. was cancelled and there’ll be no more Dr.Venomous for her to latch on to lol.>>850512
Holly can’t even be bothered to fix her art before posting it let alone attempt to proofread anything she types.
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After this she posted the micro cat shaving art as a print, micro cats with fast food and then the old Kiki's Delivery Service bakery art.
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Ugh, is it just me, or are the color choices here super bad? I feel like I'm in Hell when I look at this piece.
Also, what's with the werid template for making her prints look like they're taped up to the wall in a half-assed way? It gives off a very unprofessional vibe.
I also recall her wanting to have the first volume of paranormal plague out by this time so that she could have it for San Japan but, I gotta say,
That laser cutter really fucked her up.
It set her back so much and nobody even wants anything she makes. It's kind of sad, but I kinda don't have any sympathy for her. I wonder if she's still going to attempt selling those ugly clunky wooden Copic stands at the con.
That's where she tends to fuck up, she seems to think that her marketing towards other artists is where her audience is at but the reality is, other artists don't really like her, no one respectable anyway. The only people eating up what she's doing are teenagers and teenagers are broke, for the most part. She needs to rearrange her entire strategy but she's terrible at it.
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New Instagram Story
It states for both Uber and Lyft that you have to have been a licensed driver for a full year.
So either she's outright lying again about another job, or she used her mom's license to apply.
Either way it's pretty sketch, considering her recent accident. If that in itself is even real.
Did i read in a thread that she made a video about how to do comic panel layout or am I high
Plz tell me im remembering wrong b/c this all just so.. smackjeeves
Holly is the kind of not like other girls where she majoratively attracts neckbeards but ofcourse shes turned off by that because she expects some Herschel type dude to step down from the heavens, her her laugh about animal torture, sexual assault and these loser women who "clearly
" are "crazy bitches" to which he immedietly falls in love.
Shes the epitome of a legbeard. Wants a disney prince while she has the personality of a literal illwilled swamp witch with not a shred of compassion or intelligence to her for that matter but she has the biggest mouth in the world when it comes to any
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New Instagram Story
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New Instagram Post
BTW there's some spoilers for OK K.O. in Holly's description, so if anyone cares about that just avoid that area of the image.
I thought that was a hair on my phone screen for a sec, eugh. There are also a couple weird lines on the right side of his head that I can't tell whether they're just faint sketch lines or whether they're actually minor scratches on the screen of her drawing tablet.
Oh, and his hand is a literal sphere. There's that too lmao.
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Newest Instagram story. Guess she’s making vaporwave pants. Great way to prepare for San Japan
People are over vaporwave.
Side note but she's always so goddamn late to everything because she's so busy shitting on things when they're popular but then gets mad when they don't make her money when she's 3 years late to the party.
ONE su print, not many. That's the problem, she started so late, she won't fill any niche, only have single pieces which will not draw a crowd - or do you feel compelled to buy a Pearl print which hangs right next to a picture of a foot-shaving in pov?>>851181
I guess she simply refuses to realize the world doesn't owe her money for following her hobby - nobody starts a career by publishing their very first comic. You either work a regular job while honing your skills or you friggin' finish your education and might get a not-so-great-but-not-bad-either job in the field you want. That's how it starts and works. Nobody is born successful, and nobody stays popular if they don't put in the effort.
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It's frustrating that Holly's super close to recognizing that making these pants is a huge waste of time, but she doesn't even care.
Please tell me she's not painting this in the hopes of selling it. I thought she was just doing it for fun since she would be wearing the pants and that would, y'know, make sense.
Aside from how shitty it is, she'd have to buy and paint on a lot of different sized jeans in order to sell many and have a decent sizing chart available on her shop and just. Ugh. Niche isn't necessarily a bad thing when it comes to products, but Holly honestly thinks she can sell stuff that no one in their right mind would ever want. How does she come to these conclusions? I know she's basically copied other people's etsy listings before (the ouija board keychain idea and something else recently), and that she jumps on trends way too late, but still. (Like this painting on pants` pockets thing. It's not new and anyone can find a pic online to copy and do it themselves at home.)
She never interacts with her audience or asks them what they want to see. She used to do it sometimes on Twitter when she had one. But she had way more of an audience then. Now she just throws shit at a wall to see what sticks, which is a monumental waste of time, energy and money, then has the nerve to get mad about it not turning her a profit.
Nobody asked for a laser business. Nobody asked for wonky stickers and ugly Copic stands. No one asked for garish prints. And yet, there she is, peddling shit no one ever asked for. You have to meet your audience half way for what they like and what you like, and then you have to divide it down further into what they'd actually be willing to buy off you VS some other chucklefuck.
But she's too lazy to do any of that.
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Redraw Purgatory Update
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She also forgot to erase the bricks off this portion here… What’s the point of redoing the comic if it’s going to look even sloppier than it did previously?
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watching holly attempt perspective is like looking at one of those optical illusion pictures.
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Just checked san japan website for who's in the artist alley and apparently holly is listed there with a link to a gallery of another artist. Wondering if it was her fault to provide some random link
This anon >>850440
already talked about that, another person has holly linked for theirs so I think it was the fault of the people on the site rather than something holly did to herself
The decorations on the wall are so lopsided and asymmetrical. Even the ones she copy and pasted look awful because they still don't mirror the other side like they should (due to said lopsidedness). A bunch of grandiose (if you can call it that) detail on a shitty cardboard cutout of a wall doesn't change the fact that it still looks like a shitty cardboard cut out, BRown.
At least the crowd of people is better than last time. Is it great? No, but she actually put some detail into them when I think they were just faceless blobs last time (and crowd pics usually don't have a ton of detail anyways, unless it's an illustration like a where's Waldo or something).
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Purgatory Redraw Update
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lmao that giant white spot on the pews in the bottom left of the first panel. The lineart of those pews is astounding. >>851438
What gets me is this 'mystery religion' of hers. It's a bit of a hodge podge of existing religions, which is totally fine–BUT Holly doesn't integrate different religions together and fill in the gaps to create her own so that it's believable. She just takes random elements/imagery of Catholicism, Baptists, Judaism, even fraternity orders (the random fez?), and religious cliches floating around in her brain and mashes them together in the most random ways possible. And with little worldbuilding to explain any of it, it hard to get a feel for it as an established religion.
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Umm so does Damian get a hair cut in purgatory or holly doesn’t know her on characters and just marry Simon with Hitler's son.
It annoys me to no end how Holly will redraw shit to make it look better but also can’t be arsed to put some effort and not copy and paste everything (windows, praying dudes bodies)
Like, if you wanna redraw it then commit to it and take a day to make sure your perspective is right and the details are nice, the lines clean and joined etc…
it’s like she has those grandiose ideas and inflated sense of talent then gets overwhelmed/bored and rush through it
What kind of paint is she using?
Will the paint on these jeans even hold up to machine washing?
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If Holly's redrawing Purgatory entirely… why isn't she redrawing the title card? Also I wonder at
what point she'll stop the redraws and repost the newer pages, or if she's just going to redraw the whole thing.
That's funny she previously only claimed to have dated one girl (after saying she was straight and getting fujo backlash of course.)
She's talking about how arttubers now show their faces and get popular by being pretty who tf is she even talking about
I watch this >>852068
insufferable thing and here are some timestamps:
>3:11 she is not excited to see people at the convention but she will act like it>5:20 wants to make embroider pockets so people can iron them>8:26 can’t be a prostitute or a insta-thot because she got ugly boobs>11:23 Watching art youtubers give her cancer>15:43 “I Don’t fuck fuckboys all the time just when I’m bored”>16:43 apparently a lot of couples on Tinder want her for a threesome >18:30 Bumble is for gays >19:20 thinks if pathetic when youtubers talk about their problems>29:00 A terrible explanation on how muscles/exercise works/rant about lifting weights>41:00 Pants are not for San Japan but her Etsy >42:00 she is shipping her kickstarter now>43:00 Not enough wood for merch she only got enough for hers and TD Sketchbooks (consider san japan a loss) >46:07 “Vaporwave is hella anime”>55:47 the mental health of artist like Van Gogh >1:00:00 gatekeeping >1:08:00 start taking about relationships>1:15:20 she is bi, a lot of woman are into her but because they think she is a butch lesbian, will date anyone, wants to smash some trans man.>1:23:42 “don’t date me if u just want to smash”>1:27:51 “U can get peen anytime, but can u get love and affection… no I can get peen in like 2 clicks”>1:28:58 She just want to fuck her friends, try to avoid it >1:34:51 like girls but they are mean to her, she says she is super gay right out the batch to any female friend, complaints that girls are hard to date , they are annoying , they make her boobs worse (Cause girls know what a boob is supposed to look???) this goes on and on>1:44:15 She want the to smash a hot guy from half price books but he was married >1:53:30 she is doing a jacket next (only have done one pant so far)
Same ano >> 852230
Soo youtube update the stream, and now is the full (2:20:39) thing so all the timestamps are wrong here’s the update …
>4:50 Said that a guy assaulted her, in her uber job and she pull a taser and him, she is doing the pants because she saw some insta artist do it. Thinking of selling them for $60. Is not quitting San Japan cause TD. Thinks thot will like her pants
>14:30 hates meat and is taking more iron
>18:40 her Sister is coming to celebrating her birthday with holly and her mom but holly is poor so no gifts from her.
>23:50 she is not excited to see people at the convention, but she will act like it
>25:25wants to make embroider pockets so people can iron them
>29:09can’t be a prostitute or a insta-thot because she got ugly boobs
>32:00 Watching art youtubers give her cancer
>36:25 “I Don’t fuck fuckboys all the time just when I’m bored”
>37:20 apparently a lot of couples on Tinder want her for a threesome
>39:10 Bumble is for gays
>40:00 thinks if pathetic when youtubers talk about their problems
>45:50 A terrible explanation on how muscles/exercise works/rant about lifting weights
>1:01:30 Pants are not for San Japan but her Etsy
>1:02: 40 she is shipping her kickstarter now
>1:03 :40 Not enough wood for merch she only got enough for hers and TD Sketchbooks (consider san japan a loss)
>1:06:50 “Vaporwave is hella anime”
>1:16:20 the mental health of artist like Van Gogh
>1:30:08 start taking about relationships
>1:38:05 she is bi, a lot of woman are into her but because they think she is a butch lesbian, will date anyone, wants to smash some trans man.
>1:44:17 “don’t date me if u just want to smash”
>1:48:25 “U can get peen anytime, but can u get love and affection… no I can get peen in like 2 clicks”
>1:49:50 She just want to fuck her friends, try to avoid it
>1:55:35 like girls but they are mean to her, she says she is super gay right out the batch to any female friend, complaints that girls are hard to date , they are annoying , they make her boobs worse (Cause girls know what a boob is supposed to look like???) this goes on and on
>2:04:52 She want to smash a hot guy from half price books but he was married
>2:13:50 she is doing a jacket next (only have done one pant so far)
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Here's the listing for the Vaporwave pants on Holly's Etsy. It says the pockets are painted with acrylic. I guess that means it won't wash out, but I think it would have been better to use fabric paint since from my experience using a lot of acrylic paint on fabric makes the painted area super stiff.
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>>852068>@1:37:25>"date me, coward"
Got a feeling it was Keith
I didn't say there was anything wrong with that, although I can see how what I said could be misunderstood. Apparel isn't an easy thing to push as an artist unless you plan on going to a print shop for it. Even then, keeping track of stuff like details, colors and different sizes are all factors. This seems like a one-off "let's see if this works" thing rather than something planned, like a lot of the bullshit she makes. She wastes a lot of time trying so hard to think outside the box that she doesn't consider what remaining audience she has left, and what they might want to see let alone buy.
But secondhand pants with a sloppy painting on the pockets? That's not it.
But even so, I wouldn't even be surprised if they sold/she lies about selling them.
I think she might've
had a better shot at this if she chose to paint the pockets on pocket tees. Not saying anyone in her audience or even random con goers would like it anymore than the pants, but if I was a random con goer who liked that shit, I'd be a lot more open to buying a baggy shirt than baggy pants. At least you can style baggy shirts.
But of course she didn't think of that and just wanted to waste con prep time using old thrifted pants she had.
Honestly, she probably would have had a better chance making money if she just made iron on patches.
If she just took care of her printer from last year then she could have easily printed digital designs onto fabric and cut them out either by hand or using her cricut that she sold for no reason
People buy patches all the time, its alot easier to find an already fitting/comfortable clothing piece that the customer already has and ironing on a little design onto it then it is for someone to just buy a pair of over priced pants that will only fit a percentage of her audience who even consider to buy her art
Holly please, just make patches and stickers where you could make some of your money back rather than trying to do weird stuff that might not even end up selling
Idk if this is worth discussing or not, but what do y’all think about Holly being an enneagram type 1? (Strong sense dictating what’s right and wrong)
Here’s the description: https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-1
I wonder if she's painting the jeans as stock to sell, or as examples so that people could potentially order from her.
Selling this type of thing seems like it'd be very difficult. You have to strike lucky with your audience and hope that both the style and size suits is what they're looking for.
I also personally wouldn't want to sink $60 on something I can't even be sure fits well or is comfortable (and I don't know how Etsy's refund policy works).
Patches seem a lot more versatile. Even painting to-order seems like it'd be a better investment of her time.
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Holly its not the muscle placment that mainly shows the gender of the body but also the bone structure on top of muscle and fat placement
Guys have tapered waist where typically the shoulders are wider and tapers down in a triangle with their hips being the smallest
Women have the hips usually just as wide as the shoulders or slightly smaller or slightly wider where the waist tapers inwards creating the feminin shape
If she wants to make Reese have a more masculine body shape without taking away from him thin figure all she has to do is make his shoulders a lityle wider amd his hips a little more tapered in
She doesnt have to change his face shape, she doesnt need to do add muscles, she just needs to chnage the bone structure
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It's just a typo. Still funny though.
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She is even lazy for searching a good reference. If she want to draw Reese more masculine , put effort for the reference. Stop relying on your body holly. Do she even know site like a Pinterest or Behance exist??Or just Google "skinny guy" if you lazy enough.
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Can she write or…? >>853119
I highly doubt two people can lift gallows like this. >>853121
Why are the seats suddenly so close one to another? She didn't even bother drawing heads, it seems she got tired at the first range. Also, a dark haired man is hang while on >>853115
the selected "memembers" are a woman, a grandma and a bald man.
Holy shit, this remake is a trainwreck, she's not even trying…
I was under the impression from >>851712
that the seats were arranged radially around the center, but are they actually supposed to be straight on, like in >>853117
Her perspective is such a mess
This is why I have no problems with people tracing 3D renders for their backgrounds. If you know you can't wrap your head around the rules of perspective or have no time, then use the fucking tools available and save my eyes.>>853112>>853121>>853124
With so many panels lacking a background, it makes it even more jarring when there finally is one. And that last panel? It looks like it should be two, but I think it's supposed to be an inside/outside view of the porch, but nothing lines up right?
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Holly must have heard you, Anon. She updated the title card with the redrawn art style
Because she run out of ideas. Its easier to redraw and get away with it with her fans which some are dumb as rocks.
It must suck to know if I was Holly I was making bank a few years ago and now she's come down to this. Now she's trying everything to reclaim her glory, its almost embarrassing.
I would say she traded bad for equally bad but somewhat different. Both styles are hideous, lack any form oh cohesion or skill. The former one had more charm but no clue on what she wanted, the new one is as barren as possible.
The title card is the worst so far, it's like she has absolutely no idea what picture could be appealing here - the one she has chosen is so painfully uninteresting and definately dowsn't draw you in.
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"As the cathedral maintenance and local church chord member"
Lord Jesus, that grammar
Holly 3 days ago: I'm gonna sell painted jeans, guise!
Holly now: Disregard that, I'm just gonna throw them away, lol>"But it was fun, I guess"
i thought she was gonna sell the laser, so why are patches for "later" now?>>853617
i dont think she's ever claimed the books were shipped before, but she did claim that she sent them to the printer on a bunch of different occasions (the printer of course being the reason they're late for Mysterious Reasons).
Maybe someday she'll learn that ruining her life just to spite strangers on the internet isn't actually worth it.
Also we all know she's going to sell that laser eventually, it's just a matter of when. If she wants to shoot herself in the foot by waiting until she's even more desperate and broke it's just more milk for the haterz.
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She’d have some idea about what a penis looks like
Or what sex SOUNDS like
Or just understand human interaction even the slightest bit
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i wish i hadn't clicked on that. it's so ugly. I'm 100% shes a virgin
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her characters feel the same about the comic as we do, kek.
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This panel in particular highlights her skill and attention to detail. Just wow.
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This is how a 3 year old draws hands.
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Once again Holly spent money on shit she doesn't need. Also, the arrangement of these stickers makes me wanna vomit.
Milk's gotta be dry if buying some stickers is ~scandalous~
Also pretty sure she just set them out for a picture, not stuck them all on her tablet in that arrangement.
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Still the best page imo
Ok, I was gonna reply saying that they're just cheap little stickers and don't amount to the cost of her wigs so who cares/not milk, but I came to the conclusion, as someone who's never seen the appeal of stickers, that she is wasting money on that tat.
Like, >"Should I be saving money?">"No, I should be buying haha le funny meme stickers and weeb garbage to further trash up my room and electronics!!"
I'm having war flashbacks to her covering her cintiq (I think?) with stickers (and then she sold it like that iirc). She just needs to stay away from stickers omg
(I still think her buying stickers isn't milk, but my distaste for stickers prevails. Sage for my retardation)
it doesn't matter if you have 1 million subscribers if only 20k people watch the videos. people do not look at their subbed channels and youtube does not put videos from your subs in the recommended vids.
if you have 20k views per video, you have ~100k actual subs who occasionally watch. which is the same across her two channels. 900k other people having your icon in some list who will never even see one of your thumbnails again, doesn't do shit
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Mega Genie again
Doubt anyone has her first porn comic
Ntayrt, I also don’t think buying stickers is oh so horrifying, but those large custom ones are a lil expensive (like $3-4 a pop on redbubble, probably more at that tea shop) and so buying 13 or more stickers suddenly becomes more ridiculous than you’d think. (around $55-65 at least)
Shaming poor and struggling ppl for buying an occasional “luxury”/item that’s not absolutely necessary is a shitty thing to do, no doubt, but Holly does this every other day and then complains about her finances while being a NEET, so I feel no shame in judging her spending habits, as if any of us ever have on these threads lol.
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Crap like this is where 3D software can come in handy. The entire staircase looks like it has no support on it's outer edge so it's about to collapse.
Hell, spend more than ten seconds looking at it and you'll notice that the spiral going off panel doesn't line up with the curvature of the whole staircase.
Matter of fact, she could've just chosen a better composition that would've better displayed the spiral staircase like this.
“At least if I make things before I die I will have made a difference” (fixed the structure as much as I could) THIS is the key to Holly’s outlook on life. Except I think she won’t admit to herself it looks more like :
“At least if I make things before I die people will THINK I made a difference”
making art doesn’t make you interesting or a good person by default holly.
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Wtf anon, you just turned her quote from "cup half full" to "cup half empty"
Everyone has something that pushes them to keep going whether its realistic or not, i agree with the other anon that nitpicking and trying to correct her moral beliefs and outlook on life makes no fucking sense
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“Everyone has something that pushes them to keep going whether its realistic or not,”
I guess that’s true anon. I just tried to point out how for holly that -something- is her narcissism and “at least I’m doing more than you” attitude.
I guess we should all stick to the same backward penis comments lest we hit too close to home for some anons.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't need to export a 4K resolution video for YouTube, right? Doesn't the platform only go up to 1080p? Why would she waste so much time exporting a super high-res video if YouTube doesn't even allow it?
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Sorry to tell you >>855790
Anon, but Holly is begging for commissions again to help cover the costs of San Japan.
i wonder if she'll stream it again
still can't spell besically
Well shit, no surprise there, then.
At this point, all I want from her is to just spell "basically" right, my expectations are very low for her.
She's probably trying to scrounge up money for last minute shit like transportation. Probably trying to help TwistedDisaster since she's dragging along again too.
Nobody wants to see her shitty art in 4K, at this point the jokes write themselves, she isn't even trying.
Thanks for info, Anons. I just wasn't super sure since I've never seen those resolutions available on YouTube before.
Sorry if I came off nitpicky, but it seems pretty silly to me that Holly is wasting so much time exporting to 4K when 1080p is perfectly fine. It's like her working at 600 dpi for some goddamn reason.
Watching the way she sketches is irritating. Her strokes are so short and quick, it’s the way little kids draw when they’re beginning to learn how to properly hold a pencil. Please Holly do some drawabox exercises.
She also doesn’t look/pay attention enough to what she draws. That plant pot sketch looks nothing like the actual reference. A lot of her art would be 10x better if she just CARED about what she’s drawing
Apparently according to >>856461
that's just a pencil case she made for herself. She hasn't even put it on her fucking Etsy. Why would she waste time with this shit, especially with San Japan being just around the corner?
Youtube allows for 4k videos but it should be noted that the vast majority of people don't have screens that show 4k lol
You need a fairly recent AND high-end television or computer to see 4k. Anything else just doesn't have the pixel amount so there's really…. no point.
“how to make money with a foot fetish account”
“how to not draw backwards dicks”
“mcr yaoi lemonz xDD”
Holly's season one Michael. Let's see if theres in character growth lol.>>856461
Omfg there's a part around 27 min. where she starts talking about needing to get better at perspective and then describes the people who do perspective the 'analytical way' (which I'm guessing means using..perspective grids??) Einstein types. Like it's genius level difficult.
Holly you gave up on studying perspective five seconds into trying and you know it.
Does Holly think she can make a living constantly begging for shit all the time?
Holly's so inefficient and lazy how is she going to deal with shit when she's too old to pull of this desperate and pathetic doomer-failure-adult?
Holly still complains being desperate for work but i wouldn't be surprised if she's been blacklisted in the art industry by now.>>857045>>857045
I just got back to the drama llama so I'm tryna catch up.
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Here's the Tweet about Holly being blacklisted
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New Instagram story.
Holly’s being “funny” and “relatable” again.
I find this hard to believe if only because Holly has never been terribly relevant so why would a bunch of studios notice a small-time artist like her?
Also, I'm curious what will happen if/when Holly does move out (since she admitted she does the opposite of what the haterz say just to spite them, even if it's a terrible decision that actively hurts her), will she really buckle down with a job or consistent work to avoid eviction or will she just desperately attempt a bunch of quick money schemes, fail, and get evicted after 2 months?
Not much, more likely than not. A lot of big art you tubers are not much more than background noise or someone interesting to subscribe to, unless they're already working professionals.
Holly ticks none of those boxes. She's not even as big a YouTuber as she used to be. She shot herself in the foot, burned her bridges and then expected to be able to turn around and cross that chasm as if she had a chance anymore.
It's not really surprising she's still even entertaining the thought when she can't just sit and work. She has to run her mouth.
At this point she should just Mae a video talking about her comic ideas because she's never going to get them done.
lmao holly what?? no one thinks their ocs are ugly lol. she is so agonizingly self-aware sometimes >>856973
Well how much would such a service cost?.
Plus what was the brand of the laser, someone should email the company and let them know she's committed fraud.(don't encourage cowtipping)
2) too "risky"?? We know she's said this several threads back. Or at least I swear I've seen her insinuate that she doesn't think Mexican or Hispanic artists are good. It's not some big secret that she's an idiot racist. You aren't risking anything saying shit people already know.
I think you meant >>856464
but Holly really doesn't get what prostitution is if she thinks it's a way to avoid anxiety.
Then again at 22:45 in that stream she talks about how being bisexual fits a healer character.
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She hasn’t shipped everything out yet. I honestly doubt she’s shipped anything at this point. (From her recent IG post)
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Some Etsy reviews 1/2
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Looks like she just leaves her customers hanging instead of talking to them like a normal human being.
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That is exactly how Holly writes. Anime tropes that have the dialogue of bad translation (not just grammar wise but clunky dialogue that doesn't work the way it would in Japanese). >>857876
Bibical? Does this totally not Christian religion have Holy Bibble?
The only way I can see Holly becoming a better person is if she gets her ass up and off the internet. She searches for too much validation here to become an adult and have some self reflection/responsibility. She hides behind her screen, deleting everything at the slightest hint of conflict, and can't even be assed to respond to people paying her for her stuff. If she went outside, got a real job in a physical location, made some irl friends, got a boyfriend, and socialized with people in real life in general, I think she would see that all her issues are from her own isolation.
As for her art, idk man, but I think her shitty work ethic and skills are stemming at least somewhat from her shitty attitude, so if that changed maybe the art would get better? It's hard to say. Honestly, I think it's more likely for her to drop art entirely than her becoming some sort of great artist. She always seems to hate making it
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Holly should probably remove the college tidbit on her Etsy bio because people think it’s because of her “studying hard” and “working tirelessly” that items are shipping late or not at all. Besides the caps another anon posted of the reviews on her shop, I dug through them and there’s a LOT of people mentioning extremely late orders, her being non responsive or just not shipping them at all. If Holly wasn’t such a money grubbing gremlin, I’d suggest she just close the shop indefinitely or until she can get her shit together… which will be never at the rate she’s going.
is…is it just me or did none of those pages have any spelling or grammar mistakes? i thought for sure she would mess up on certain words, but i don’t think there were any. wow.>>857950
see, that’s the thing. holly has little patience for things that aren’t immediately fun. we’ve gone over this again and again, and it’s getting sad by this point. she supposedly has a driver’s license and she’s tried out a couple of jobs, but she hasn’t stuck w/ them for more than a couple weeks. most people give a job a month at the very least, enough time to see if you can adjust to the routine and the workplace, and then put in your notice if it’s not working out. she’s def one of those ppl who would benefit more from doing art as a hobby rather than a job, but she also doesn’t really have any passions besides drawing, and she equates fulfillment only with passion and not hard work. (as in, some ppl may not LOVE their job, but can still feel good after a day of working hard, especially if they’re helping other ppl. not so for holly.)
Yeah the IIV stuck out to me immediately. At first I thought… ok maybe she just made the "I" thick for some reason but it looks dumb, but then I realized there already was a book with "IV" in the background.
And you are correct that roman numerals are only preceded like that if it's a difference of one. So it should be III.
This is wholly different from her weirdass misspellings. She had to draw that so it was deliberate. What I wonder is why the hell she'd USE roman numerals when she is unaware of how to write FOUR in them.
Naturally she didn't do some very basic research just to make sure.>>858014
Agree. Also it's worth emphasizing that being late is far more understandable than being unresponsive (mainly in addition to lateness as she should be more aware of the situation and pending orders). Maybe she's stressed and is trying to put it out of her mind entirely, avoiding it. In which case she really needs to close, just for starters on the long list of things she should do for her own benefit
I genuinely felt uncomfortable reading those pages for the reasons you said. Damien's flirting isn't even alluring.
Yeah, I'm not sure how she managed to take a halfway decent premise and totally gut it. I guess it's the shitty pacing and the bare bones "plot".>>857820>>857821
Why does she do this to herself? She whines about how broke she is but doesn't even do the bare minimum to make an income. It's not difficult to pack a couple of boxes and take them to the post office.
Peep those skull archways. It's one obviously-traced skull copy+pasted twenty times into a stack, then the stack is copy+pasted and mirrored. The cherry on top is the one shitty looking skull in the pile that she obviously hand drew kek. Then she pastes that same stack like five times in the next panel, and the way she skewed it makes it look like skull wallpaper instead of actual pillars made of skulls.
Holly, if you feel so rushed that you're tracing and copy+pasting, stop dicking around with the lazer cutter and focus on the damn comic! Don't half-ass two things– whole-ass one thing.
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I think she used pic related or something similar as a reference/inspiration, so yeah, they're meant to be stacked.
If you're curious, this is the crypt of the Santa Maria della Concezione dei Cappuccini, a Catholic church in Rome. Spoopy.
What is going on in the 2nd panel? Is that a tree or what.
Went back to look at the skulls and yeah, the shitty Holly-drawn skull does stick out. Also these just look like gaps that a bunch of skulls are falling out of lmao.>>857876
2nd panel is so lazy. Nothing on the walls, and I don't want to try to make sense of the columns' alignments.
Top floor is hella skewed if you compare the curves of the floors and their stairs. Kinda hurts my head if I try to make visual sense of it.
Simons moms design is the worst one, she doesn’t even look like a woman and more like Simon in drag and that’s fuckin hilarious since her death is one of the main plot points in this thing. Holly can draw women that are feminine enough to look like women and didn’t take the redraws as an opportunity to fix simons mom. Did she think we wouldn’t be able to see the family resemblance without copy/pasting the exact same face?
She made Damien’s mom look like a woman related to him just fine, but couldn’t do that with Simon too?
nayrt but I seriously hope you’re trolling.
If not you’re just as ignorant as holly.
As for Sasha’s design, of course she had to be Simon in a drag, holly thinks he’s feminine enough to make that anime trick work. And I mean sure girl with masculine traits exists but that’s not what she was going for AND both the hairstyle and clothes are particularly ugly. Just like in her business, she doesn’t THINK about what’s best, she always cares about what she thinks is good based on her limited view of the world. She thinks it’s hilarious that they’re identical and that’s it, you do not even adapt the similarities, just slap the same face on two characters and call it a day. Why? Because that’s the only way she wants to play this thing.
Wow, I had no idea her art was this bad
. Also her character design. I can definitely see some improvement now, even though her art is still ugly.
Anon the best improvement here is her using a brick texture and not drawing every single one in herself.
Too bad she can’t be assed to draw backgrounds in all the frames despite the shortcut.
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Her lack of backgrounds is so off-putting. I honestly way prefer the old version. Yeah the anatomy is shit, but it's just as shit in the new one.
At least the old page has a bit of heart and real love put into it. Sounds silly, but it's so clear when you a creator actually cares for their work and when they're just making shit for the sake of making it.
Her lack of backgrounds is so off-putting. I honestly way prefer the old version. Yeah the anatomy is shit, but it's just as shit in the new one.
At least the old page has a bit of heart and real love put into it. Sounds silly, but it's so clear when you a creator actually cares for their work and when they're just making shit for the sake of making it.
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In relation to >>859768
Art anons who sell at cons, do you find art of OCs (like some of Holly's stuff) sells well enough to profit off of, or is it mainly just fanart that sells?
If you're in a convention that allows fanart, the fanart sells well for sure. In England, the big conventions have a section which is only for indie comics, i.e. original work. Because of that, the likelihood of people buying original comics is higher. But that's because they judge based on the art and how much they want it rather than on their fave being drawn.
that being said… we all know fanart sells. Most people only just about make table on original work, but it's less about making huge profits and more about exposure and reaching a larger audience in conventions if you want to sell originals.
In my experience they sell well at comic cons, which started with indie comics in mind and originals are encouraged and valued more to this day. Anime conventions began in Japan, with fan art being what was mostly sold. Companies in Japan are okay with this as they see it as free advisement as long as it is art and not mass produced merchandise. In America most congoers go expecting fan art to celebrate fandom which is likely why they are at the con in the first place vs comic cons which are to celebrate comics themselves.
That being said I have sold at both and Holly isn't going to make much money. I've actually had the thought that she should consider trying a comic Con but she's pretty mediocre so idk if she'd make much more without her teen fan base.
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It's true that Holly doesn't have to like video games but the games industry is pretty profitable for artist. If Holly had stronger skills in graphic design and knew a game engine, she could find a UI job. It's just sad to see an artist with some potential not have a dependant income at her age.
She's so desperate for income I wouldn't be surprised if Holly reconsidered a job in the games industry. I mean Holly lives in Texas. There's like 3 game companies there.
Yeah, no, it's pretty hard to get your first job in the industry (speaking from experience), especially without a University-based internship to get you off to an acceptable start and Holly is too lazy to even work for friggin Amazon or as a clerk, so of course she shouldn't even consider video games. Her technical skills are sub-par for UI (she can't even center her own "company" logo, for fucks), let's not even get started with Concept Art.
Working for a game studio is extremely different from working as a freelancer at home, competition is hard as hell and you have to be at the top of your game OR have some experience under your belt to even get you in there. She wouldn't even pass a mandatory art test for any studio (usually you get a very straight-forward but time-consuming task and about 48 hours to make the best of it).
While it may be a profitable solution I'm sure she couldn't even be bothered to write enough applications or make an acceptable resumée.
Anon, I understand that might be your experience but in generalities, the game's industry isn't as toxic
as you make it seem. I've been in and around indie studios, mobile, and even triple A and the teams that are assembled there aren't as competitive as you say since they have to work together as a team to finish the product.
Thus, it wouldn't be a good environment for Holly since she has a problem with "Melvins".
I agree that Holly's resume and website aren't what is required by a studio to get hired but I've met some studio team members with what less than desirable skills. Usually wanna be hybrids. I'm just saying that someone might see something in a artist that resonates with their project. You'd be surprised.
Ntayrt but the other anon is right aboutthe video game industry, its not toxic
like you seem to think it is, but it is veey fast and hard driven which i doubt holly would ever be able to do
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Her table from her IG story.
I fucking called it on the cutting board lol! Also, TD’s art is as terrible as ever.
I honestly don’t know why she was freaking out so much over having to make product when she knew she was going to have half a table to fill. It’s not like she needed a lot but she complains about doing the bare minimum for anything. I also have the feeling she won’t interact with attendees and just hide behind the table again.
not if you're playing rakdos or red in general (black-red, as she seems to be playing) source: am regular rakdos player. With the right strategy you can just throw down cards and destroy your opponent quicker than they can rebuild it. blue takes far more strategy.
sage for mtg sperg
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One of her commissions.
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Don't forget this commission
As someone who does sketches at conventions, you can use your phone to look up references… Jesus Christ was she doing this from memory or something? The hands and torso bother me so much.
She must not be selling squat to be focusing on commissions for a change. And lol at the $50 Jiji piece. It went down from how much? $300+?
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New Instagram Story. Can't really tell if it's another commission or a personal drawing.
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Follow up to this >>861181
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Here’s a better picture of the booth at San Japan with Holly also in the picture. Found it on TD’s Twitter. You can see some things a bit better and even the commission info. I also notice the original pink kiki painting is now gone. It either got sold (doubt) or she took it down.
I hadn’t seen much of TD’s art until now, but holy shit, she actually makes Holly’s only look half-bad in comparison. What are proportions and shading???
i have no doubt that most of holly’s earnings will be from comms. I could see her taking 1 or 2 normally, but as many as she has been? that’s got to be bc she’s not selling anywhere close to what she was hoping.
also, unfortunately I could see someone stupidly buying the $50 Kiki piece what with it being an “original” and framed. it is funny considering how cheap her comms are in comparison tho, and how she’s on an hr time limit for them. is that included inking and shading, bc if so that def explains the “quality”, oof
Hmm… I wonder if this >>861493
was a personal piece, considering the commission info says she'll only do drawings of one character. Or does that sign mean that it's 20 dollars per character?
honey no. also the cutting boards are gone, so she either actually sold them or hid them in embarrassment. >>861734
knowing how ambiguous/shitty holly is with her wording in literally everything, who knows.
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Another commission drawing.>>861823
The emptiness of the tip jar really adds to the sad aesthetic of their booth though, it's a nice touch.
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Here's this commission that's now finished.
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Look, I get what she was going for, she wanted to stand out, be special, be memorable, "that girl with the wooden business cards, never seen THAT before, man" but Christ, is the execution of that plan a complete bust on all accounts, you hit the nail on the head with the fucking shape, they don't even look like business cards
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sooo…holly had tons of extra wood to burn after realizing her laser cutter business was making jackshit, and somehow thought that THIS was a good idea? i mean they are a good shape for coasters so someone be more inclined to use one (and thus have holly’s info there for future use or for other ppl to see) except for the fact that they don’t have any art on them. it’s just holly’s shitty profile pic. who would want to display that?
onto another issue, I’ve never commissioned someone at a con, what are the usual prices for a 1 character sketch? (whether it’s a bust or full body whatever) bc i can’t wrap my head around why anyone would pay holly $20 for a piece like that when there’s got to be at least 1 other artist at the con who could do a much better sketch for around the same price (and that kaminari isn’t full body). it’s not like holly’s inking or shading skills are anything to boast about.
The proportion seems fucked up with his head >>862009
The Pose is so stiff ( where the line of action)>>862153
I think she give up for drawing the figure in the box.The boy directly see it (look at his eyeballs).She draw it facing to the arm of the boy.
I don't like her making fun of the commissioner, she seems doesn't appreciate and take the job seriously.No wonder many studio blacklist her.
I think its just a joke based on the character someone asked her to draw, no one really likes Mineta and he's always being called out by the fandom.
I think its kind of ironic that Holly is trying to be 'above' it though
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2-3 jobs? For what, a week? With the rate that she acquires and quits jobs she's going to wind up burning bridges with every employer in her area.
She can't even apologize for good>I'm sorry I'm so disappointing y'all
kek, I'm curious on wether or not she'll "disclose" her earnings from the con
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Sage since this is nothing super milky, but I noticed that the story of her shitting on that one commission is gone, even though she posted it alongside the Hershel drawing so it should still be up. I wonder if people called her out on it so she took it down to avoid more criticism.