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Most well known for her cal-arts rant, where she bitches about how hard it is to get in while claiming to have gotten in.https://www.youtube.com/user/hollyistotallycoolhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgeEynuhGskPjgNR5DjbZmwhttps://www.instagram.com/h.c.brown/https://twitter.com/HCBrownart
Mirror of aforementioned Cal-Arts rant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvnD-9XOs5k
>21 year old "freelancer" (lives at home with her mother and runs an online shop selling ugly art)>Salty Youtube fujoshi artist that claims that her art is superior because she went to art school>Constantly preaches that art takes hard work, claims to always practice and study but her art hasn't improved in over two years>Whines about being a starving artist with no money, yet has enough money to buy a new Mac computer and a Cintiq tablet within the same week, then sold said cintiq because she got sponsored for her shitty shitty art>When faced with genuine criticism, she replies with "it's my style hurrr get over it!!">Whines about nobody buying from her online store, but when people do, she whines about having to package and ship off her items >Pandering to the Musicals crowd to get more Youtube $$$>Claims to be the only non tumblrina artist and is a textbook tumblr fujo>Generally insufferable and shitty person
Last thread, Holly entered Jazza's animation challenge and complained some more. She made a wonky animation tutorial and announced she was going to be focusing more on animation and illustration instead of comics.
She plans on making her own 4 minute animated short film in full color despite not knowing how to properly animate.
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does anyone else think that carrying a big sketchbook around is cringe? holly is the worst offender so far in this new thing im seeing where sketching and JUST sketching for literal hours is becoming the new big online art thing. its mostly with people of her attitude though, where these artists are so desperate to improve that they think its okay to sketch, doodle and "practice" for fuck hours (mostly cartoonish anatomy), only to lead to nowhere and they've done nothing interesting. i can't count how many times i've seen someone like holly with a big eyesore sketchbook, bragging about how much she's gonna improve, only to have nothing to show for it in the end. she needs to crawl out of this obsessive need to practice and sketch, stop taking advice from cartoonists and deviantart tutorials, and instead learn "tricks" and tips on how renowned artists make their shit look gud. learn to work smarter not harder, holly.
I don't think there's really anything wrong with carrying a sketchbook anywhere. It's always good to practice drawing. Sketching is how you improve. Well provided that that's actually the intention and not just to show off in a "oh hey look everyone, look at me sketchbook= ~*artist*~!"
But with Holly's case, even if she show off her big ass sketchbook around and her art still look like potato abominations, then it'll be more proof how much of a big joke and mediocrity she is. I do hope she posts all her sketches in that sketchbook so I can laugh and cringe some more.
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Wait..how does liquify affect the values…?
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Those tabs are a cute idea
Holly is just like Baylee where they think finishing a 600 page sketchbook is such a great accomplishment but in reality they haven't improved at all.
I hope their subscribers can at least realize this so they don't end up stagnating like them and the rest of the mediocre artist crew.
And to clear some questions from the first thread, it looks like Holly and Donnie are still friends somewhat
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What's going on with his pants
Idk man I think sketching a lot does mean more improvement I just think Holly is Inept
I'd rather YouTube artists that draw like shit at least draw heaps and make 100k rather then draw one mediocre piece a month and earn 100k
Jesus does she even do preliminary sketches ? Just because you aren't using line art doesn't mean you don't do the first sketch…
Or is she just that bad
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So she originally started comics because she didn't want to animate a story and now she's dropping comics to animate a story
I remember in one of her older vlogs she was going off about how comics were harder than animation and about how easy animation is
whose willing to bet now she will start talking about how animating is harder than comics.
Seems like the hardest most professional medium is always the one she's using
Everything about this character is off especially his eyes, arms and shorts
I wish Holly would bother to pick up a book or something on animation so it wont turn out too badly
There are stuff that bother me in a stylistic kind of way, like his nose getting more and more upward to the point of looking uncomfortable, and his arms with no wrists.
But there are stuff that piss me off because it's just plain wrong, like the way he's holding that wooden pan thing. Any artist can pick up from a model or take a picture of someone posing, just to get the gist of it right. Who holds stuff like this ? Plus it looks like it's made of wood and if it's those cutting board, it's too heavy to be held lightly by the lighter end like a feather or a pen.
The thing that baffles me about Holly is that she'll go through sketching all the way to coloring but refuses to fix her errors or look up references because ??? It takes time ??? It's bothersome ?
She'd rather mass produce something ugly rather than take 20 minutes to check up some animation basics to get started.
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not exactly fresh milk but again, wtf is it with all of this? anatomy, pose, the darn shoes, what the fuck is this mess?
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I thought pic related was interesting, Holly claims that her style is somewhat influenced by anime but I agree with the other person that it doesn't really look anime besides her crazy hairstyles.
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Realism she says. Here's an update on these two
I wonder if Hamletmachine even saw that image
I can't imagine how she reacted to seeing her character being butchered with a giant chin
>>429105>she’s quite the cow herself
Is she? don't know too much other than she's just another fujo
I'm glad she didn't acknowledged it at least
If you look at her old art she focused a lot harder at studies and life drawing. This was when she was at the art high school and when she went to an IRL college. There's a lot of wonk to her older work but the kind you expect from learning and experimentation.
Watching her sketchbook tour playlist is a great way to see her decline. It's fascinating. Like once she moves into the thick black lines you can see the nose dive in quality. In the course of two years she 'discovers her style' and then never draws anything with the slightest bit of potential from that point onward.
Art-wise, Writing-wise or both?
I remember the last time I read the first chapter of Starfighter, and boy do I hate it. And I wonder why a lot of people eat her works.
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I swear really want to slap Holly for making him wear those godawful 'glasses'.>>428774>realism is easier
Did she ever make some serious realism studies? The only decent study (though its not realism-tier) I remember from her are the candy study (the one where she used gouache).>>429347>Porn
I already know that. Still bummed that a lot of people (even some of the mutual artists I follow) still support it. I was also shocked when I found out that she even made a game of it.
Also, I'm somewhat inclined to believe that this is a self-post.
Hopefully not too ot but, she has a channel so that's where I found her. I draw like a kid so not me.
That particular drawing reminded me of Holly's style and I thought it'd be interesting to talk about regarding style and anatomy.
I just thought about how Holly preaches learning and doing studies, developing anatomy and such but doesn't actually have that hot of a grasp of how limbs work. She values developing style over anatomy.
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Holly's real source of inspiration for her characters.
I hate these glasses so much, fuck>>429341
She has above average art and draws gay sex, that's all you need to make it as a webcomic artist.
Saged for personal opinion and kind of othttps://www.tapatalk.com/groups/badwebcomicswikiforum/purgatory-t899.html
I found this thread in the badwebcomics forum because I thought she might've had a page, but it's so surreal seeing so many people complimenting her attitude and thinking she's a good person for being "honest"
I…dont think it's honesty as much as it is that she has no filter and is a huge hypocrite.
If you are talking about star fighter, they started that comic a long time ago. It was your basic yaoi story, but in space. Seme rapes uke, they fall in love. It worked well for them.
As for Holly they had the same idea. And it worked brilliantly. However she has no resolve and is trying to make merch for a comic that barely has one chapter… and re drew the one chapter even though they didn't improve over the last year. A normal person would keep drawing the comic, even if the styles change a lil.
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I'll never understand why Holly gives her characters really weird hairstyles
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Man, this a looot of OT. At least some of you should sage it. Just fucking take it to… I don't know, a board called OT? Summer never ends, I swear.>>429738
Tunnel vision. It happens to everyone, however, people usually have methods of measuring to maintain the proportions, and well, most artists look at their works more than once before posting it online. Clearly something Holly's incapable of.
>>429626>not going outside and meeting people and talking with them
Hey I may be like that but at least I can draw and write better than Holly. Sure I may not socialize a lot but at least I make an effort in improving my art/writing skills by consuming books, podcasts and pdfs. Speaking of which, I doubt Holly does more realism studies, you know, to be more and more familiar with how anatomy works.
sage if too ot
>>429842>Hey I may be like that but at least I can draw and write better than Holly. Sure I may not socialize a lot but at least I make an effort in improving my art/writing skills by consuming books, podcasts and pdfs.
Good, but this is not a place for your own personal life. Please refrain from making these types of posts.>>429777>>>/ot/210748
This is the thread for that kind of off-topic question.
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Holly's style is ugly as hell and could be easily improved if she could just take some crit and fix some blatant mistakes like her facial proportions and hairstyles
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Damien's original hair
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Why am I so confused. Can she even English? Am I the only one who had a hard time reading this?
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This is actually pretty nice?
Bums me out that she's regressed throughout the years, her Highschool stuff was promising
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thoughts? Also, there are MUCH cheaper alternatives than an iPad that's for beginners.
Holly needs to fuck off lmao. I just bought a tablet to draw while I'm travelling and it's borderline useless without the tandem of a computer for serious work, most people already have a computer so it's much cheaper to just buy a pen tablet for 100 bucks (250 if you want a fancy Intuos), rather than spending a grand on a digital doodle book. Maybe if you already have an iPad pro then it's worth to just buy the Apple pencil to go with it, but otherwise it's just throwing money down the drain.
sage for salt but her advice is always so shitty and there are so many young artist following her, ffs.
And you know she's absolutely a fujo because, instead of saying what any writer would say, "Cool, I'm free to put in more character development or expand on this plot!" she says "let's make it more 'gay'", whatever the fuck that means.
She doesn't give a fuck about her gay characters, not their hobbies, not their family, not the things they are passionate about, just that THEY'RE GAY GUYS LOOK HOW GAY THEY ARE. She is 100% a homophobe.
I'd give her a pass for this because it could just be a joke, but considering Simon and Damien are just hollow shells that make out sometimes, well.
I also hope her "fucked up shit" isn't more teen boys being sexually assaulted because who even wants to see that?
And I'm sure it also has to do with trying to be rebellious against their parents or whoever. I bet that most of these fujos think that drawing gay anime boys in secret and posting how much the luv the gayz on tumblr will spite their conservative fathers (which, ironically, is the plot of her comic, Purgatory).
It's like the tumblr version of adolescents doing drugs and stealing from a gas station to piss off their parents.
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I find this ironic
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What is this zombie hand
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Please don't turn into like Baylee
>>432437>cause why not
Because you COULD be using the time you're wasting on a crafting channel to
I don't know
Get better as an artist?
The rendering is pretty decent, though it needs fixing.>>432481>It's pretty ridiculous to assume someone who clearly enjoys gay characters is homophobe.
Did you even read the second message you replied, anon? Ship what you want but if you only care about your gay ships for the sake of shipping them to the point that you DON'T GIVE A FUCK about their character development in the story then clearly you are a filthy homophobic fujo.
I swear fujos ruin everything.
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Oh geez. She's actually going through this. At least she's more productive than Baylee, but then again could've used that time to improve….
That's not what homophobia is. Fetishization is still bad, but genuine homophobes aren't usually interested in or comfortable with seeing two dudes fucking.
Straight dudes who jerk it to lesbian porn usually are homophobic against gay dudes, but the reason they get off of to ""lesbians"" regardless is more related to dehumanizing the women in porn than actual homophobia.
sage for tangent
What kind of people are you hanging out with?>>432846
I thought she is gay herself? I tried to find proof but forgot that she purged her Twitter and now I'm not entirely sure anymore.
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Regarding Purgatory, apparently she "hates" it now.
Also, does anyone know how to access her
hollycbrown tumblr blog? Everytime I try, it just redirects me to hollycbrown.com which is apparently expired, the only reason why I was even able to see this post is because I still had been following her.
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That's sad. Most artists work on their comic for well
over a year, pic related is cosmicspectrum's first comic, the pages were posted one year apart as well. It's nice to have a uniform product in a book but if you can't let your work grow with you to the point where you hate it, then you probably just didn't put enough time and care into planning it.
apollo-pop is a lesbian comic artist that makes content exclusively about gay sex. it confuses the hell out of me, but apparently it can happen.
sage for ot
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Turns out Holly will be making a "storytime" video… I can't wait. The chances are slim, but I'm really hoping for a knockoff of domics…
I've always thought lesbians or '''bisexual''' girls who were really into yaoi were just plain ol' fujos who wanted to actually
be in a relationship similar to the ones they read in yaoi mangas or they actually projected themselves into the story and saw themselves as a character or something and because that character was gay, they'd have to be gay too because they're soooOOooo similar to that one cool bishie or whatever.
Or something like that.>>433458
Not the anon that you were replying to but omfg anon I've spent all this time actually typing up the post numbers with the two '>'s and everything and being horrified over accidentally typing in the wrong post number and everything lmao bless you.
>sage for utter bs
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Oh shit, she's actually making an art book? By all means, it's way better than her comics, but I'm not sure who would really buy her compiled "MUH STYLE" drawings
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Devilman has its shining moments, like during fights or transformation sequences, but I'm afraid Holly chose the wrong things to borrow from Go Nagai.
Does he have two left hands?
Why is his thumb on the outside like that
what happened to his wrist
omfg this is atrocious
The composition in Devilman's panels work because it's close up only on the face and isn't cropped at any joints. Holly cut the panel off right at whatever-the-fuck his-name-is's backwards wrists. And that random black block…
Didn't she "criticize" the artwork of Devilman in a video?
Fuck, I didn't even realize his hand was backwards until just now.
Holly, come on.
Ooooor maybe she's just lazy and not only was she too arrogant to reference, but she didn't bother putting in the effort to draw that weird-ass hand properly. Did it not register to her that she was drawing that hand that bad
? I mean I'm just a hobbyist and most of the time I catch my mistakes after I've properly drawn something but I tend to notice something's off right away if I fuck up something real bad. Surely a 'real' artist like Holly would be at least somewhat better at this?
I'm not trying to say Holly doesn't put her time into drawing and has a decent work ethic, but I think her problem here is that she doesn't give a singular fuck about what she's drawing and just draws to be able to say she drew and "lOok how HARD i drAW!!".
She puts no effort into single sketches (not bothering to sketch out with pencil underneath her pen sketches, not bothering to correct backward hands, her reluctance to properly reference things, etc.) and does not care about the quality of her art, which keeps her from improving. And I think that's why she works so hard – when you put little to no effort into each drawing, it's easy to doodle for 8+ hours a day and it's even easier to delude yourself into thinking that you've worked hard. Art is just
getting her thoughts down on paper for her, and for a professional artist who's working in a highly competitive market to appeal to a bunch of other people who are NOT her, that's not all that matters, but I don't think she truly realizes that.
I'm sure if she gave a singular shit about what she was putting down on paper, her art would skyrocket.
>Not a professional artist so if I got anything wrong, please forgive me haha
samefagging to say >>434267
press your hands against your cheeks in that fashion and see where your thumb is. It will be near your ear, not your mouth.
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It definitely is way too short to be a pinkie but the way I'm interpreting it is her dumb ass tried drawing it as if it was a side view rather than straight onto the palm, but she cant draw hands from the side so it just looks wrong
Whatever though we can all agree that its fucking awful
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Her animations always go by too fast
>>435255>Before anything, she needs to learn basic anatomy.
uh i mean not necessarily, there are plenty of animation meme channels run by literal 14 yr olds who do it better than Holly a 21 yr old, and its not b/c they have fantastic anatomyies
They just understand how things actually move and timing leagues better,
Holly- Other than all her humans looking like stiff puppets, her timing is so hard to look at and it takes away the beauty of frame by frame animation
I think part of the reason why her animations look so fast is b/c she probably animates at 24 frames a second (b/c she prefers quantity over quality) and hasn't learned to animate on 2's yet either
I agree that this statement is a priority if her animations r going to become tolerable any time soon>Holly really needs to study timing and movement
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Typical edge-lord Holly “animates” a cartoon gay boy snorting coke. Don’t know why she redrew the background over and over again. And I’m not sure what Holly is trying to achieve in animating cartoon people doing drugs. She’s already regretting Purgatory for the nsfw content. For someone like Holly who wants to profit as a comerical artist she’s really narrowing he audiences.
Again, her timing is shit. I would have no idea what the fuck was going on if she didn't state that he was "snorting coke", it just looked like he was bowing down in front of a mirror.
>She’s already regretting Purgatory for the nsfw content
I actually thought the nsfw content was one of the few things she still liked about it, considering she announced that she wants to make the next part as "fucked up" and "gay" as possible.
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i have no idea what show she's been tweeting abt for the last hour but she really shouldn't be giving other artists critique on long faces when, y'know…
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About the background: Holly be like "I know I do shit but I do it anyway"… Why?
"Hahaha I totally knew that" while awkwardly pulling at her collar, sweating profusely while her eyes shift nervously back and forth.
whoops, sorry anon–the saging just kind of happens automatically now since i'm so used to using it. >>435998
she seems to see pervy things in this show on her own but makes it out to be the artist's fault…
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Sometimes I want to feel bad for her but then I remember her attitude towards… well, everything.
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What's wrong with his eyes lul
Wow that was…really hard to understand. I had to reread the tweet multiple times to figure out what she wanted to say. She's in college??? Man. She needs to take some English lessons.
Let me try to decipher it:
"The fact that both Jefferson's and Lafayette's faces are the same makes me so mad whenever I draw them lol"
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And this is one of the reasons why she won't improve..she just doesn't give a shithttps://twitter.com/HCBrownart/status/937320945857060865
I just gotta day that these threads on Holly have been my favorites. The constructive criticism and passion of the people posting in these threads are really inspiring to me. >>437087
Damn, this animation looks ugly as fuck.
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I don't know why, but pic related was the first thing I thought of when I saw that tongue.
Sage because I don't know if it's ot, but does anybody know what happened to her Game Grumps animation? I haven't seen much mention of it.
This is a really dumb thing to be upset about but for it to be an even number again she just needs to lose or gain a sub. Does she really know what even numbers are? https://mobile.twitter.com/HCBrownart/status/937331609472290816
(Link to tweet since I'm on mobile)
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Does she not understand what thumbnails are. They're quick sketches to get an idea of composition and such before diving into the details she's adding in now. This is her fault for all the extra work lol
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Here you are anon.
And yes I agree, she just wants 200k – nothing to do with being an even number.
You're not…supposed to do the thumbnails detailed??? Thumbnails are supposed to be very tiny doodles of what you want to see happen, save the finished detailing for the frames.
Is she taking a storyboarding class? Because if not then she really needs one.
Storyboards and thumbnails are supposed to be messy because there is ALWAYS a chance parts are going to be completely cut – these are so that they dont have to spend time and energy on basically blueprints that only the actual creator is gonna see.
Holly, PLEASE LEARN ABOUT ANIMATION.
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She's putting this into her portfolio…oh jfc
Hell no she can think that putting fanart in a portfolio is acceptable. It's ridiculous, unless your portfolio means your DeviantArt page.
Also, calling your work bad, while sharing it on all the socials feels like begging for attention.
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Holly's art be like
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I am slightly disturbed by this hand
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This bitch lol
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ahahaha what the fuck man. this bitch has crayfish claws for fingers
The level of Holly’s stupidity is just…
She actually thinks that without doing the MOST BASIC animation exercises she’s be something as complex as whatever the hell shes trying to do here.
Even 13 y/old weebs know that you have to do the bouncing ball, flour sack, brick falling off a shelf exercises. Has she never heard of the phrase “You have to crawl before you run?”
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No please no. She's thinking about making posters…Her shitty drawings blown up in size…I wonder if that's when she'll realize how shitty they are
lol that post it.
Just how long has she been doing digital art? Is she seriously that forgetful to not even remember the most basic of shortcuts? Plus use those tools enough times and you'll pretty much be doing it by muscle memory, unless you're a very slow learner or just dumb.
idk if anyone's mentioned that this fucking pose is impossible. how fucking hard is it to make a pose with your own hand so you know it's possible to do instead of winging it and drawing something that fucked.
ps holly, fingers have more than one joint in them I thought you'd like to know
She did draw 2 joints, they're just fucked up and in the wrong places.
Will Holly ever get her head out of her ass and improve? Will she live off of YT until it goes down and then get a job at MC D's because no one wants to hire her? Place your bets.
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Oh my god. She's turning them into her "style"
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Ohhhh, she wants to talk about proportions???? She needs to look at her shit first and fix things before talking shit about other's art.
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I thought this was her transforming them into her own style at first.
Is she really making a living from her art? Like, are they really some people willing to pay for her shit?http://hollybrown.storenvy.com/products/22513575-sketches-vol-1
She's selling her sketches "compilation" for effing 20$. 20$ for a book full of shitty drawings is hella expensive. Who would buy this, seriously?
This edit is terribly ugly and looks nothing like “classic Disney”…>>439941
That mug is pretty cute but she’s such an ass in this video. Trying way too hard to have a sense of humor but much like Holly’s animation her timing is way off.
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Does she genuinely not know how to spell "lose"
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she didn't foreshorten the leg properly so it just looks like a short leg with a busted ankle
Haha, oh god. That foot looks like its become detached and the only thing holding it onto the body is the sock.
Also the hair looks like a curly turd.
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lmfao the shoes remind me of the shoes that Pat and Mat wore in the cartoon.
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I'm not sure what's going on with his hands…
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From the Baylee Jae video responding to comments
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Did she just figure this out. Idk anyone from my school who used expensive ass cameras to take photos of their artwork. There are scanners at school as well or there's the cam scan app
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This one is just in case she deletes it lol
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Man, sometimes I feel really bad for Holly and before she got huge, I actually wanted to befriend her
but goddamn it's no wonder she doesn't have any friends, she's just a cunt and that's all she is ever going to be
What is she trying to say? I've read this 3 times now and it just doesn't come together. >>441148
Actually agree but maybe don't fucking post it online then. This compulsive need to share every piece of work you make is weird.
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What is that shoulder
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This dead bug in her latest video tho
That’s so gross but I’m not surprised. I’m pretty sure her home is riddled with vermin and most likely smells heavily of cat piss and cat shit. I’m also sure that Holly and her family don’t clean the many litter boxes every day.
Every time Holly post a video of her in her home or room I watch and I cringe.
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Has she ever thought about going outside her house??
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His body looks so disconnected from the background. Like he's floating
I mean, yea that was pretty accurate and I don't want to be THAT guy but – I'm tired of these artist problems videos so much. And saging because this isn't about Holly, the video maker isn't really good at art herself it seems? She looks to be copying a bunch of other styles that have been done to death (eyes and mouth) and I found myself annoyed watching this.
But yea I guess the Hailey part was lol
Isn't this why Holly got those art figures to begin with? Why doesn't she just use them?>>441744
Looks like Holly drew the person first and then tried to fit a background around it. What ever happened to doing thumbnails? This is just poor planning.
Honestly, with Holly it seems like she always takes one step forward and two steps back.
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What is she even saying here.
>>442434>Y'all are so quick to judge.
And so are you
We'd leave her alone if she stopped giving poor advice and being a hypocrite.
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Probably a travel sketchbook.
I've seen some artists in my country do this (others do postcards instead like in pic related), but seriously most of those artist's travel sketches look rushed. I know some people would try doing a loose-watercolor style, but there are only a handful that would pull it off.
I would buy those postcards in pic related if they gave more effort in doing them. Kinda like in James Gurney's sketchbooks.
What does improving oneself have to do with following Holly???
There is literally no correlation.
And fyi, I don't follow any of you- I mean Holly's accounts because I find her work quite amateurish and her grasp on the English language infantile at best.
Not him but the first time I saw Holly's work was around… 2015 when I was lurking through CalArts application sketchbooks. imo her sketchbooks (the Rendr ones) at that time showed some potential. Fast forward to today, well there's little to no improvement in her works. How sad. Even more sad that her attitude is a huge factor at that.>>442434
Anon, as much as the anons here want to roast her for the way she is, I know a few of them would want her to improve so she can save face and not make an embarrassment of herself, but judging from what we've seen she still hasn't improved, both art and personality-wise.
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Hmm she mentioned in the video that she got in a few years ago, so I'm assuming she applied when she got out of highschool which is when her art was the most interesting? So there might be a very slim chance she's telling the truth, but then the way she complains about it and throws around her own sketchbooks, feels very personal so there's a greater chance she wasn't accepted
I want to say that maybe, she got in but couldn't go right out of highshcool so years later she reapplied and got rejected?
kek I honestly don't know, Holly can be real confusing sometimes, I'm just tossing out theories
but I really don't think she got it
She NOW talks about thumbnails.
She lost it when a professional told her that you're supposed to plan and thumbnail everything in order to work in the industry. You know the kind of "fatherly advice" you give people because you've always been there, you failed and you want to share what you learned? Looks like SHE can do that, but professional don't even have to DARE giving advices.
She got all "I can do stuff without thumbnailing, how about that" and got all defensive about how she were treated like shit just because she has her own method and blah. Thumbnails are stupid, I draw as I go, whatever man blah blah blah
Some time later she started trying out thumbnails and then found somebody selling thumbnail books and of course she had to steal the idea because she wanted people to buy her stuff.
Because, you know. She wants to provide "original stuff" and then flat out states to steal ideas.
…btw I am aware that thumbnailing books were a thing before and that are not either Holly's or the other artist's invention.
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His legs are so short compared to his body…
She posted it pretty much everywhere.
She must be really proud of this artichoke.
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The way holly makes her merch is so hideous and sloppy she cant even be bothered to cut the stickers out nice. The edges are jagged and so unaligned. White in the sticker clashes completely with a tan notebook cover. If she went with just the black lineart (stenciled or stamped) into it like an embossing with some details it could maybe pass, but no. Holly proves to be a shit tier craftsman with a big mouth. May your art forever be as messy and cluttered as your room Hollykins.
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Huh…Holly seems to do the opposite lol
She should really give up the "illustrator" bs and just put effort into graphic design. That's the only skill she seems to care about.
It's sad that she doesn't actually care about getting better at drawing. She possibly did at one point, but then she realized she could just make money swindling kiddos on youtube with rants talking herself up like an industry veteran. She seems to think she'll be fine as long as she can keep getting followers to buy her poorly made crap. That's probably a huge reason why she fights back if someone crits her publicly. She doesn't want her fans to expect her to put the work in to improve her quality.
If only she'd smarten up and realize if she actually put that effort into getting good and be less of a shitlord she'd make a lot more money (to pay off all that expensive equipment she doesn't need). Here's hoping she uses that new ipad to read a Bridgeman or Loomis book.
She's so bad at graphic design though. She has no sensibility whatsoever, which a lot of artists usually bring with them. >>443094
I just don't understand how she can say one thing…. and does the other. Does she really not realize that? She sometimes reminds me of Onision.
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So, she's actually serious about going into the industry. This aint gonna end well
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Who would want to buy any of these
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Oh look, it's the hair sheet for her characters. why does she need a note for it?
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I’m sorry but I can’t get over how she drew the hand on this dumb merchant for an oc nobody but herself cares about.
…how do you mess up that badly? Literally all she has to do is look up a reference photo so her hand doesn’t look like shit. Hell she can ever trace it or use those expensive drawing models she bought but she really is the epitome of laziness.
>>443609>use those expensive drawing models
It's funny that I know a lot of artists who have them but don't bother using them as references. At this point I only assume the majority who don't improve tend to brag all of their art materials on their social media to look "pro".
Hell there's even this chick I know irl who barely improves and still bothers selling her merch despite it standing out of the artist crowd for being "that bad" in drawing.
>>443547>my style is not that simple
well look at those gorgeous puppet hands there.
Must be complicated to fuck up even the simplest things.
I would buy the cat pin, personally, if it didn't have that ugly face.
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Who is going to buy a sketchbook full of randomly placed sketches from her? What's the point? There's random studies in there, is this supposed to be inspiring? She doesn't have a unique style and everything looks so basic and flat.
I think Holly enjoys making merch more than she enjoys making the artwork itself. From her vlogs, it seems she's always trying out different avenues for merchandise, like when she was trying to figure out how to make custom shapes sketchbooks, the pencil cases, all the stickers, pins, etc. I think that's kind of cool but of course, she doesn't produce nice enough artwork to make any of the products worth buying. If she enjoys making products more, she should think about becoming a supplier for other artists, like JellieBee (If I'm not mistaken, she was making prints and stickers for other artists)
It just seems she's more excited about making the products rather than working on the content itself, ala Paranormal Plague.
>>443913>selling a fucking geometric casts study
Holy shit… Why is putting that in there necessary? She shouldn't need filler because she draws a shit ton of her own work.
Like, it's not even justifiable compared to those sculpture studies because at least those can look really impressive to someone with little drawing experience. But a fucking sphere, cone, and cube? Shittly rendered, at that? Is she gonna throw in some upside down contour exercises, too?
I feel like I'm sperging but honestly, the audacity of her to sell that…
It blows my mind how absolutely abhorrent and despicable her attitude is. Especially towards art.
I've come to realize how much she actually dislikes art and making art, because if she actually liked it – she would be drawing fluently, taking critiques (even asking for them) and just genuinely trying to learn.
Holly doesn't want to be an artist, being an artist is a difficult and tedious road. Maybe at one point she did, back when she actually had an interesting style and seemed to love her work (red and black art phase) as well as had a very strong imagination. But now, I'm not sure what happened. Could it be she began to regress into the stubborn attitude because she just can't handle critique? Did someone give her damaging advice? I don't know.
Holly, if you're reading this, please – if you don't like to draw or create anymore, just stop. You don't have to go into every field of art to "prove" you still love it, because you don't. If you like writing stories and creating characters, get an artist who enjoys drawing to do the actual comic art. If you like making merchandise, become a supplier. If you like animating, become an in-betweener.
You don't need to stress out anymore about art and being classified an artist. Just let it go, stop drawing.
Help others instead of trying to deceive them.
She could have made a zine with purgatory sketches, since, you know, that comic actually exists already unlike paranormal plague. >>444010
Nah, I agree with you. It's pretty ballsy to put shapes in there and use that as the "sneak peek" like it's so great.
I do think Holly still likes art, but her approach is so cynical, she only does things she thinks will make her money. Since deciding that comics can't be a career for her she's completely stopped updating. Even all the merch she shits out - it's like she can't justify drawing her characters unless she turns them into stickers for profit or some shit.
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The moment holly proudly showed us the dumpster she lives in is worse than ever
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Did she seriously call Jake Parker's (impressively detailed) work simpler than hers?! Holly's art is the simplest shit and looks like pseudo-cubistic teletubbies. And it appears she's been to a figure drawing session to draw the model all wonky too, instead of studying anatomy like you're supposed to.
My theory is that she twitches and fidgets and can't sit still for 10 seconds straight, that's why even her referenced work is all over the place direction wise. She draws aggressively fast, which isn't really a wonder as she clearly is loaded with passionate rage towards everyone & everything.
>>444425>Holly's art is the simplest shit and looks like pseudo-cubistic teletubbies
You made my day.
As for the quick drawing thing it’s not always a hint of being full of hatred, I know a lot of people who draw really fast and are at peace with the world. It could simply be her not caring enough or thinking she’s so skilled everything she does at first stroke is great
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Hi just lurking here,I was searching for new classes on Skillshare, and guess who I have found! Yes yes! Our savior Holly Brown, Her videos are too fucking short, how the hell are you supose to learn with a vid of 2:08 minutes? she's fucking dumb,I really don't like to insult people but she's really that delusional to think she's a professional comic book artist -_-
i'm new to this thread, but what comic books has she made? i wanna laugh. her skill/style looks like a slightly elevated version of Ash's, especially with the ugly long faces. Also I watched a few videos of hers without knowing she had a thread on here, and jfc, she becomes dislikable in every video by the 4th word she speaks, and has a massive case of dunning kruger.
I love you anon>>444446
I still have about 3 weeks of my skillshare trial left, so I gave it a watch. The 22 panels that always work was kinda interesting because I'd never seen that before, but she basically just read out someone else's work, she didn't even redraw the examples.
The rest is ok, but also pretty unhelpful for a beginner. She also showed a few pages that were just talking heads and shot/reverse shot which she explicitly said would be boring in the intro. Most of her pages don't look like her advice in general.
Also probably too annoyed at the fact that she didn't mention Scott McCloud once, Understanding Comics is like the bible of comic making.
Also watching her draw speech bubbles stresses me out, she said she letters her pages first and then draws the speech bubbles, but the lettering still looks so
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So Holly might be on to something here but she still isn’t under-drawing. Drawing shapes to build form is a great way to cartoon but I don’t think Holly really understands this technique. When she executes a drawing technique I don’t think Holly realizes what that skill is trying to improve. Hence Holly’s inability to explain how to draw using shapes to build form.
This skill does nothing when the artist isn’t thinking of their character in 3D.
THOSE FUCKING CHINS AGAIN
What really stood out to me as the moment I realized Holly didn't actually like art was when she talked about Purgatory and her other art and why she didn't like it, she only talked about how other people
don't like it and how it effects her "image". The second she said the word "image" I knew there was something up.
I think that Holly once really liked art, but because of her depressed attitude (she made a vid on this recently but she also had the cutting marks on her arms since these threads started) she saw that people liked her work and turned instead to other people for justification. She found happiness in drawing characters, as evident by her quality back then, but the second people liked her work THAT became her happiness instead, which is why everything is about sell sell sell and not having pride in her work anymore.
And now the reason she's stopped doing comics and has been making the depression vlogs is because she doesn't even find happiness in drawing/other people at all because people like us point out how flawed and broken it is (which you can see in a lot of her vlogs now with her complaining about people not liking her tutorials or not liking Purgatory, even though she was the one who said she didn't like the comic on her own tumblr after a fan complimented it).
She's spiraling into the hole of looking for praise from other people instead of looking to herself, spending more time chasing different art mediums to find more fans to feed her weak ego instead of proving to HERSELF that she can be good, and I think it's slowly driving her crazy.
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Of course this is what she decides to ask
That's very observant and I agree with your points. I kind of pity her then if what you illustrated is fact. It must suck to only rely on praise to value your self-worth. I see her now curled up in a corner surrounded by the tiniest bit of light holding onto a weakened flame for dear life.
I don't know why she's doing this to herself, it isn't healthy to be this way!! She's still a despicable fujoshi, but I wish her well and hope she gets better mentally.
You know what, before teaching people she should UNDERSTAND a concept. This is something she clearly read somewhere (and it's true, even though thinking in shapes is not for everybody, even professionals can work with exterior lines only. Depends on how your brain reads the masses) and that she for one can't apply properly.
She can't teach how to use shapes because she doesn't KNOW how to use shapes. She pretends to know stuff scribbling some dark areas in a sketch but it only highlights her lack of knowledge.>>444682
It's fun that this is exactly what she says other people do and that pisses her off.
I honestly think there might be something wrong with her because she says something and the minute after says the opposite and both times she's being quite a bitch about both opinions.
Like she said countless times that she's better than so and so, that she's great and blah, she always acts like she's the new messiah of the art; then she's genuinely disappointed because she doesn't understand why people think she has a god complex. Because she knows her stuff sucks.
Even back when it LOOKED like she cared more about art her attitude was pretty much the same.
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She's updated purgatory, apparently she draws it on her iPad now (it shows), and hinted at feeling suicidal over the past few months. Might explain some of her behavior.
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>>444928>I want to see her get help and move past this.
Hmmmm. I thought it was in the past already since she stopped cutting her left arm (well the scars were already light in some of her videos so…).
And I find it weird bc I know a lot of artists (both good and bad skill-wise) who sort of openly tweet about wanting to die. I do too, a lot, though I don't tweet about it and instead do something actually productive.
I do hope she gets professional help, she might get back on track if she does so. My friend once sought professional help, but once she stopped visiting she reverted back to her old suicidal self and started to refuse to take meds. She even gets angry if ppl remind her of that (but then again a lot of ppl don't know how to properly deal with people who have depression).
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What in tarnation is this
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She forgot Jay Leno chins!
For once I can sort of over look the chin because it actually fits to have a super elongated face on a noodle man.
The perspective in the top left is really poorly executed because of the wood grain. She should've just used the perspective transform as a quick shortcut to tell her how warped the grain will be at that angle.
Well, you can stop self-harming but that's only a small part of the solution.
I guess she doesn't have health care, she talked about getting a tooth pulled and an implant that was cheaper than getting it fixed earlier in one of her vlogs. Investing in therapy would probably have done more for her productivity than an iPad.>>445127>>445141
I didn't think twice about it not being a huge cup until I read this, it's way too close to him for it to be anything else.
Besides the clumpy hands I don't hate it thoughm the proportions look more deliberate rather than a result of ineptitude.
She would most likely be doing the same errors as she doesn’t really look at refs.
She made a video about same face syndrome and even her ocs all have the same face and expression despite being of different ethnicities.
Just because she’s stopped self harming on her arm doesn’t mean she’s stopped. & self harming is a symptom not a disease you can stop but the disease is still there. >>445168
she’s paying the iPad off with a monthly payement that probably wouldn’t make a dent in therapy, so she’s trying to buy herself to happiness. It’s not uncommon for people to think objects etc will make them happy. “Once I get_____\ I’ll be happy.” Etc which makes sense with holly she’s always buying something new or Changing projects! Not white knighting for her because honestly her attitude is one of the worst I’ve ever come across & I can’t stand her. But so much of her behaviour Reeks of poor mental health. (I doubt if her mental health improved her attitude would improve with it, I think she’s just a shit person)
I see your point but she’s always buying things really expensive, the iPad might be paid a small amount each month but the rest is just paid right away.
Plus she said she has something like 6k in her bank account. Sure therapy is expensive af but 6k or even just 800 dollars are enough for at least a consult.
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Yea, because a majority of us are trying to help your bitch ass. Maybe if you would LISTEN to critique you wouldn't NEED six pages of this.
Fuck off, Holly.
Also it's probably confirmed she browses the thread now.
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lemia back on her holly-cock-suckling bullshit again. if their dumbasses can actually get their heads out of their asses, there is actually criticism from people who want holly, and herself to get better. but nahhh, we're all just haters, hating them for no good reason
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Then I guess Jellie Bee and that other artist that came on here to whiteknight are also a convention of Highschool kids who are super angry about the world too, come the fuck on Lemia
Jellie Bee at least had the courage to crit unlike the both of you who dismiss everything said on here as "hate"
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>>446423>i hope they find peace
Someone's feelings got hurt, woops.
No one hates you, it's just fun to shit on people like you.
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Oh kid…This is the wrong type of hate
>>446324>6 pages of criticism
What exactly did she mean by this?
It's doesn't sound like she's talking about this thread since it isn't in page form and we've only had two threads about her
But she did say forum and it wouldn't suprise me since we've been gettting visits from some yt artists>>446485
Sometimes Holly is so dense I can't even feel bad for her anymore
I’m wondering this too - is she on about this forum or another one? Even Baylee doesn’t have six pages so why Holly thinks she has more than her is hilarious. Is she saying it so people pity her?? Oh poor Holly has a six page forum dedicated to how shit she is as a person and an artist. When really it’s only two and it highlights how pathetic she is.
Unless she truly did find another forum - I don’t frequent pull other than Kanadajin3 stuff - does she have a thread there?
Either way, no one hates you for being famous, Holly. Your artwork is ugly because your personality is too. You’re so far up your own ass.
I scanned through the pages and it looks like she was only mentioned once?
6 pages my ass
These people seem so oddly proud of the "hate" they receive. They always make it sound like there are entire forums dedicated to hating on them, when it's just a thread or even a couple posts.
>lolol I'm not bothered though, they're all little kids <3>I'm so above this, it's sooo funny!
There are channels with more subs than Holly and I've never seen them mentioned here, I wonder why?
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Poor art student she says
>buys a new camera
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She thinks the proportions on this is the worst…has she not seen her sketches recently? jfc
Why did she spend the entirety of the video defending that she got into art school? Afaik no one doubted that art schools accepted her, just CalArts.
She tears into her old art so much but I actually like it better. Her subject matters are much more varied and interesting. I wonder if she went through some shit in highschool that just makes her hate her old art when she looks at it, because although most people cringe at stuff from years ago, it seems a bit much.
There have been multitudes of critiques out to help her as well as people concerned for her help.
I am one of those that wish her the best, mostly because I feel sorry for her – she's never gonna be happy and she's never gonna have real friends behind that subscription count when they all wise up.
I find her attitude atrocious and her personality just disgusting, however, she's human above it all and though I dislike her – I wish her the best.
I just wish she would LISTEN for once in her fucking life to people that actually CARE enough to help.
No lie, I loved her old art. I wish she'd make more of them. Also one of the recent gems from her are the gouache candy artwork she posted sometime ago.
She regressed prolly because she was mainly working on her comics. And from there I guess she was trying to work faster (and she ends up fucking up the comic with all the typos, errors and whatnot). Idk why but ever since she wanted to make animations and comics I guess she tried doing a simpler style thus explaining on how she regressed in art. If she does continue on working on her "style" I hope she'd do more observational sketches as well as try drawing different face shapes using ACTUAL people as reference so she won't end up giving the characters she draws Jay Leno chin syndrome. Doing that actually helps a lot of artists in getting better at perspective and in drawing characters and bodies in general.
I think her drawing speed is part of the regression. She's careless and doesn't take any time to fix mistakes.>>447466
I guess she saw an article about it? I also assume people ask about her scars sometimes since they are quite visible.
I think it's good to talk about that stuff, but she always does it in her abrasive way so it might also tank horribly.
Both her PULL and snow threads come up before a lot of her other social media, but I think her twitter and some of her tumblr asks may be bigger turn-offs for employers.
Some of her stuff looks pretty stylish, like that candy study she did. I can see her pulling some gigs for that sort of thing, but most of her tumblr and YT is just doodles and teenage boys canoodling, and apparently she doesn't think you need a proper portfolio.
>>447838>Apparently she doesn't think you need a proper portfolio.
what on earth, but she does tho
Aren't portfolio's are usually meant to be shown to possible employers so they can see what you can do?
It's not a bad thing to have all your good art in one place, why is she so against it?
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I mean even if the employer just searches holly brown comics
I’m pretty sure that’s a slight turn off
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Yes. Pic related.
I don't understand how one can fail setting up a portfolio website, especially since she has her endallgraphics website? Don't know what her thought process is.
Forgot to quote >>447846
like a fool.
>>447890>make a website
Tumblr can easily be used as a portfolio to keep all your art in, it let's you use tags so anyone can easily look for something on your blog and it's free for Christ's sake
Unless using tumblr is frowned upon for portfolio use? I know a couple of artists that use a tumblr blog to keep all their art in and it works out fine for them
Sweetie, this isn't PULL.
This isn't a help site.
This isn't a hugbox.
I wish you guys would at least link the video with the time stamp of where she said that, but anyway Holly is too far up her own ass to take crit from her own audience so I doubt she'll even consider taking crit from us>>448131
Nothing about what that anon said was remotely huboxy
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Look who I found on Sinix's new video…Does she not live in Texas anymore?
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Obviously wasn't drawn by Holly herself but this is the nicest I've ever seen her characters look. It leads me to believe her character with the ugly anime hair can actually look decent
>>447899>Unless using tumblr is frowned upon for portfolio use?
Kind of? Having your own website is not necessary, obviously, but it can potentially add credibility to your portfolio and increase your chances of employment. Having a tumblr blog with custom domain is fine, but having your own site let's you do more with it. Portfolio pages are not that hard to make either and there are tons of cheap hosting choices.>>448220> i dont really see the correlation but i guess?
Weed ban creates a black market for it, hence the smuggling.>>448269
Those glasses still fugly as fuck tho.
Using tumblr as a portfolio site is okay if you want to appeal to people who want you to draw commissions of their pet or oc or things like that, but if you want to have a "serious career" and do illustrations for books, ads, websites and things like that, you are going to get dismissed because it reeks of unprofessionalism, just like deviantart or having a yahoo or hotmail email, no matter how good your stuff is. Having a portfolio of about 10 pieces on a portfolio website and using instagram to post other finished works is an easy and good enough way to go imo, and it's super fucking easy and simple to set up. She's so lazy it hurts>>448272
She's so fucking stupid. Of course being an artist isn't for everyone because, like in other regular jobs, you should have certain qualities to make it, and if she thinks being an artist is being starved and poor and depressed, she clearly doesn't have those qualities and this job is not for her. Jesus christ. How does she think she's going to get jobs if she never socializes? 80% of your job is getting connections and using them to get work! And the beauty of being a freelancer is that you can set your own working times, so if she's "chained to a desk" and still isn't making money, she's doing something very very wrong or she should just admit she's an amateur and not a professional.
using a tumblr for your portfolio isn't a turn off in the least amongst professionals. I've heard from plenty of people in animation, especially TV that explicitly look through tumblr and twitter when looking for people to send tests to and in the school i attend the administration puts emphasis on opening a tumblr to create post your work on.
The majority of people don't care as long as your work is accessible and easy to view be it on tumblr, blogspot, or your own domain.
Really? I guess it's country specific then, and different for, let's say, animators and illustrators, and for what kind of work you want to do and customers to attract. It's better for an animation studio to get a new talent that already has a fanbase so the fans will start watching the show, so that might be why they search for them in tumblr?
Sorry for being an OT fag, but it's really interesting to hear that some industries prefer a tumblr while for others it's a sign of amateurism.
But anyway, holly is a total dumb ass for not having any kind of a portfolio. Maybe she wouldn't be such a poor and struggling "artist" if she actually, you know, tried
Who actually prefers
tumblr? You can get offered a job through your social media, but afaik people ask for a showreel and portfolio when you apply somewhere, making them scroll through your tumblr is just wasting their time imo.
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You all bring up some interesting points, but remember to stay on topic!
I had no idea Holly was planning a second Purgatory book, I thought she was tired of it
Not that anon but is cargocollective a good site for your portfolio? I have an account there but I haven't used set up my portfolio there yet. I'm also thinking of using my artstation account again once I brush up my digital art skills.>>448774>I’ve realised over time that a lot of publications, company’s etc, would rather a mediocre piece of work done by someone with the ability to attract 10k notes, Than someone who creates amazing work but struggles with “notes”,likes,rts!.
Relatability is what sells, my friend. Sometimes fanart too since I learned that this one guy was able to land an art directing job in a big agency despite not graduating art school. His art is mainly digital portraits though, and usually his subject matter are celebrities (which rakes a shitton of likes). I wish he would go farther than that because that guy has potential but his head is far up his own ass thanks to his popularity.>>448778
Didn't Holly mention that her comic was a flop in one of her vlogs? I don't know why she's still pushing it. If she does want to continue that comic, I hope she'll learn from the mistakes she made in the first volume and try to improve on the second.
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She recently updated and parts of the second book are already up, I guess she wants to finish it anyway.
According to her Twitter she found it. No wonder she lost something in her room considering the state it's in.>>448774
While this is true, it's not like Holly does remarkably well on tumblr, her insta and YouTube are her most successful platforms. She could just have a proper portfolio and include those links when she sends it out.
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Slight OT, but apparently there is an author called H.C. Brown that writes gay BDSM novels among other things, and has actually won awards for it. Holly wishes.
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sage bc ot, but holly's arm
(pic related) look at the scars. sorry holly but i dont think you can "loose" weight through cuts on your arm
>>449830>sage bc ot>didn't sage
put "sage" in the email field, anon.
>i dont think you can "loose" weight through cuts on your arm
Also, that's kinda low. Blame her lifestyle, not her unhealthy coping mechanisms
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what if holly becomes one of those artists who just entirely specialize in porn
and when she draws tumor boobs and, when she's thrown criticism, instead of blaming it on her fucked style" she blames it on kinks. seems like a holly thing
yo, am I the only one weirded out that she drew and publicly shared porn of her self insert character?>>449843
pretty sure these are hershel's hands n dick from the reddish brown skin tone
I have no idea what ethnicity shes actually going for either w/ that skin tone either since his features and build are very white
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the head is behind the penis like a second thought
Dick move man.
Just to add stuff so I am not too OT, I feel like a lot of Holly's art mistakes could be fixed if she actually left her room for once and interacted with people. Like Holly draws like she has never seen an actual human in real life. It looks like she knows the general gist of what a person should look like but that's about it.
oh sorry, i don't actually know which of her characters are the gay ones>>449856
the last name suggests he's Hispanic. how are his features white though? her characters are so stylized and simplistic (no lips, black dot eyes, 2-line noses) that she can claim Hershel is any ethnicity with tan/brown skin.
It's anons like you who give us a bad name.
Just because we don't like Holly's attitude doesn't mean we can scoff at her mental issues – especially if some of us might have scars ourselves.
This post was incredibly petty and unneeded. Plus, it just makes us more sympathetic to her – if we weren't already previously.
I don't wish Holly ill, I dislike her but in the end we're all human - some of us even artists ourselves - and we just want her to listen to reason, and this kinda stuff just cements the fact that she's only this way because she curls herself behind her snarky attitude and crowds of whiteknights when she's very insecure.
We're trying to help more than hate and your comment is really unnecessary.
>>449898>We're trying to help more than hate
kek. not that anon and i'm not defending what they did, but who are you trying to fool? this is a petty, bitchy, nit-picky, gossip board. If you're here because you're trying to help
people, you're in the wrong place. a "let's shit on Holly because she's whiny and draws bad" thread on lolcow.farm isn't going to help her with anything or listen to any reason.
Those are old, you dumb shit. Good on Holly for quitting. >>449862>>449846
I feel like she would have to do a rehaul of all her fundamentals knowledge if she wanted to go into porn and lewd art, unless she wants to care to a niche and lucrative crowd like bimbos in diapers or something. It's hard to draw erotic shit when every character doesn't even feel like they're occupying a 3D space in her work. There's definitely artists who are good at using more abstracted/flatter styles to convey intimacy, but this isn't cutting it.
Honestly, though, considering how often she jumps career or skill trajectories, I wouldn't be surprised if she did try to look into drawing porn.
At least learn how to sage before posting this edgy bullshit. >>449846
She did say she'd draw wonky cartoon porn for a living if she couldn't find a proper job after school.
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Girl needs to learn how to do a walk cycle first
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Oh I actually didn't know his last name was Sanchez. But the reason why I think his features look white is because this character used to be white like this anon > >>449915
said, here's some art from the high sketchbook tour from that era
It just rubs me the wrong way when I think about Holly, a white fugoshit texan girl, foaming at the mouth over her hispanic OC and then giving her black character, Princess, a snobby high maintenance personality and sort of bad mouthing her sometimes
Not saying white people cant draw or write POC but Holly is such a shit writer that I can't help but take a little offense at her attempts>>450061
w/ Princess I can see she gave her different features like the hair n lips, but her hacker character (w/ the long hair and acne) who's apparently POC is definitely the most ambiguous so far
Hispanics can be white-passing, it's not like he's meant to be black. >>450129>different proportions in every frame>that foot placement
Girl no. She desperately needs to pick up that William's book, it's only 30 bucks.
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ehh that's some tumblr shit right there, anon. she can't make a black character be snobby? because she's a white writer so her making PoC characters with negative personality traits is offensive?>>450227>Hispanics can be white-passing
Actually Hispanics can be literally white, not just white-passing.. hispanic is not race, it's an umbrella term for people of all Spanish speaking countries, which can be either white majority (Argentina), indigenous majority (Peru), black majority (Dominican Republic), or mixed-race majority (almost all of them). Here's a picture of Cuban kids, white, mixed-race, and black.
SAGED sorry, sorry for ot.
that's besides the point?
we were talking about how she made her white OC a brown OC, and kept the greek nose
white or white passing hispanics don't get THAT brown
its just a character design nitpick
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Omg the dialogue scenes don't even follow…
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holly seriously needs to work on her fundamentals because she can't exaggerate for shit. How are you supposed to exaggerate what you don't know? Go and do some studies, not to show them off but to actually learn something
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her style already has qualities of "tumblr style" so idk what she means by this. also I hate her attitude of "hahaha guys im totally gonna piss these people off! how funny and edgy!"
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It's like Holly's twitter her own version of this website, except a lot more spelling mistakes and random rages. I honestly thought this was her video lol
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she really needs to work on making the characters she draws look like. you know. what shes drawing?
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i feel like this is holly vision.
poor edit by me
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her face just looks so blank, she seems so bored. it's almost like she has no passion for anything in life anymore, especially anything art-related.
Why can't she just say thanks but has to drop a little self-masturbatory jab in there?
I don't think she does, which would make sense if she's been as depressed as she's been hinting.
How does she not get a headache from editing her shaky vlogs… Also, I have never heard her burp before on camera, so that was fricken disgusting. I feel sick tbh>>451510
Storyboards these days are becoming more and more just animation. So maybe focusing on animating could help her cuz this girl can barely do a walk cycle or tbh anything.
I was so confused as to why a random arm appeared out of nowhere and pressed onto the guy's face.
Holly that's not how mirrors work. Do you want to know the easiest way to see if what you're doing is wrong? Do it yourself irl and FILM it, that may help because the arm is so off it's not even funny.
Sorry for OT but i feel like this must be just a product of different parts of the industry because I actually don't know a single person that uses artstation. I guess it's like a TV animation industry thing that prefers tumblr, but then again that industry is a fucking mess. >>451745
God, the fact that Holly is like 20 and comparing her work to 14 year olds on youtube is honestly pretty pathetic. If you're trying to get a job and be taken seriously, comparing yourself to children that make animatics for fun is not the way to go.
she's always trying to talk about professionalism like she knows something but then pulls weird shit like this.
not the same anon, but artstation is mostly used for game art. all of my game art friends use it to post their illustrations, 3d models and environments, and so on.
but yeah, the animation industry (especially tv animation) does prefer tumblr and twitter. i even got an animation gig because of my art blog. i treat my blog like a portfolio, but it's a little more casual since i post wips on there.
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Why does her characters always make faces like they're in disgust
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her drawings look so much more normal when stretched horizontally/squashed vertically that comparing this edited one to that makes yours look edited>>452292
came here to post this so i had to post this shit instead
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I found Holly over her youtube channel and wasn't interested in her comic, but this thread made me read it and… Holly, what the fuck is that gnome?
I'm all about growth and getting better, but she edited all the early pages for the print version and THAT is supposed to be an improvement?! Who looks at that and thinks "Yep, that's the best I could do, my fans deserve this great piece of art"?
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Have fun trying to sit on these benches
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i dont understand what she's trying to say
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I kinda get what she's saying but she couldn't have said it in any dumber way.
The good female characters are out there, Holly.
Are those even Japanese stationary items??? Because I KNOW I've seen them everywhere in the united states.
They're fucking clips, Holly. You see them everywhere.
lol anybody else remember her saying in a vlog that shes bisexual, but could never see herself dating a girl rl unless she was 10/10
she also mentioned in another vlog how she convinced her mom she wasn't gay b/c she spends all day drawing men
? how can you have so much self awareness but also not ?
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Her body is so twisted and it looks so uncomfortable
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myb she said that once when she was on her heathers stick, yknow the musical version of mean girls
gay for the head heather, the regina george copy
but id sooner believe that pixie locks is actually bisexual than holly is
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Nice try Holly, you're still a fuking Fujoshi. Granted, a lot of female characters are shittily written so I understand the frustration, but the only reason she "relates" to BL is because most of it puts one dude in the "female" role because it's just fetish shit by straight women for straight women and the gays are just more kawaii uwu.>>455930
I remember her saying she was gay on twitter before she purged her tweets the first time. Funny how she draws her self insert thirsting for dick.
Lets be real, Someone just likes "bottom" character stereotypes
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So she has done life drawing, but still can't draw to save her life
it seems like she's just checking off these classes on her own instead of sitting down with a counselor and talking about what classes she needs to take/where she is in her academic career
>a lot of these classes are different names and I'm sure I've done a few more so idk
what does this even mean? Are they concurrently listed? Did they change the course listing after she's taken them?
All things a school counselor would be able to answer
Looks like she hasn't taken Communications + Critical thinking yet kek
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her art is losing that passion she once had and is diminishing to a sloppy, ugly, mediocre style. This style allows her to pump out so much art because it's simple but lacks passion, thought, or skill. Instead of learning how to get better she keeps jumping mediums to fill that void of not being satisfied with her work. i wonder how many more expensive devices or tablets shes gonna get after shes done with the brush pens
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wow…what happened. Not saying these are the best, but it's better than what she's creating right now despite the large ears.
Honestly, putting aside the fact that she acts like a prick on social media I feel bad for her. She lives in a dump of a bedroom, always talks about how fat/unkempt she looks in her vlogs, and does a shitton of mediocre art that she talks big about, but doesn't seem to actually like either.
Also how fucked is your approach to your education if you don't know which classes you've taken? At least write that shit down somewhere.
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Either she's deleting or something is going on
Nah my money's on her having some old uploads from someone else, and she wants to be super special by uploading them. Probably a way to buy time and still keep her upload schedule consistent while she works to scrape decent video content out of her bog ditch of terrible art.
Also, no, Holly, it's not. If the person deleted, they didn't want their work on the internet and you, as the morally-conscious person you apparently are, should respect that or whatever. (Or at least pretend to respect others in order to save your brand.)
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LOL, but where's the difference from now and her past artwork? There hasn't been much improvement. Oh my god, this is hilarious
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This method is obviously not working for her
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What the hell are these for..? I hope it's not another sticker sheet
>>460464>"People who claim that you actually have to process what you're drawing to improve are just over-analyzing things"
Does she not know how to use her brain? There's definitely a difference between an analytical and more intuitive approach to drawing, but if you have drawn something more than a thousand times and it still looks wonky then maybe your approach is flawed.
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When Holly is still an asshole towards people who give her free stuff.
At least try it before
you make fun of it lmao
>Shows the stock photo because "lol it doesn't fucking matter" and it's too large for her greenscreen>"Companies just won't stop sending me things u guise lol idk why">"This video was so hard to film because it's briiight">Says the product name wrong numerous times>Talks about going back to inking. "What is there to be bad at? It's inking.">Explains what a lightbox is in a really convoluted way>"Is it good? Iunno. It's ok.">Recommends another product>Gives some general advice on buying a lightbox>Conclusion "It's alright, not the best."
She's so unprofessional, Jesus Christ almighty.
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The chins almost gone, but that hair. All the hair she draws look like noodles!
It is a shame that companies send her good products that I’m sure many grateful artists would love to have.
Gotta make that cash I guess
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What a hypocrite lol. She bashes others for sticking a lot of stuff on their front covers and she does the same
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Lol, like her "Anatomy mistakes young artists make" video?
Her lack of self-awareness is astounding, or maybe she just hates herself so much that she can't help but bash anyone who does the exact same shit she does.
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Her complete lack of self awareness, is so bizarre
Also those sketchbook covers are painful to look at, she has some shit taste
>I dig that hank hill one tho
it's so painfully obvious in things like this and those horrible super-close benches in that purgatory panel that she doesn't think in 3d whatsoever. she's totally stuck making flat representations of complex shapes she can't understand. she barely understands perspective enough to attempt depth, look at where the two front-facing dudes' bodies join, how do those limbs stack?
it's just honestly impressive that she's been doing art for so long and hasn't hit this realization even by pure chance. it's just natural artistic development. it's nothing new to stay she's stunted but just… damn, the effort is truly nonexistent.
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The second one is the one with no floof btw…I honestly see no difference except that the first one is more scratchy looking
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>I feel like my art has gotten better
The body proportions and how they're attached makes no sense at all… It just looks so uncomfortable to look at
The top guy kinda looks like every bone in his body is broken. The top half looks like someone's back with their arms behind them, the legs kinda look like arms but at bizarre lengths. Is he supposed to be sitting on the guy's chest or crotch?
Also the table is at the wrong angle. Vanishing point, look it up, we learned it at 15.
>>463330>better>broken leg>probken arms>broken neck on bottom guy>dislocated shoulders>missing right legs on both of them
Are you…are you sure, Holly? Are you positive? Cause I'm not sure. >>463341
That's the thing though, Holly has some formal education, has taken figure drawing classes etc, for all intents and purposes she should
have a solid foundation. She should at least be decent.
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This makes me feel so uncomfortable for some reason
the whole thing is awkward
like, the guy on top could be kneeling on his arm instead of around it, because it doesn't seem like there's a lot of restraint going on there otherwise
yeah he's got one hand on the guys shoulder, but that's it??
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This comment was on Lemia's new video. Another example of her lacking self awareness.
I seriously disagree with her last point, just because someone doesn't spoon-feed you how to fix your mistakes doesn't mean they're not there or worth working on.>>463703
Rape is cute and funny when it's gay, duh.
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Honestly, I love to talk about Holly's shitty character designs and attitude but her caption makes me worry for her. She seems to be losing grip on her life more and more as her art keeps deteriorating.
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Such detached chin. Am I the only one who thinks he looks hecka creepy
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literally the Am Denny guy
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If she does she never mentions them, she comments more on other artists' videos lately but she doesn't seem to be actually friends with many of them.
I do think she's very isolated, she never even seems to go outside. That's pure poison if you have a MI.
In other news, Holly thinks fine artists are lazy because quantity > quality.
Holy shit, her attitude. She literally sounds like a 12 year going> I can make more drawings faster than you can, haha!
gag. Her mentality is so out of it. Has she ever considered the size of those paintings? I've seen fine arts people paint on canvas' bigger than them, like wtf.
i might be too harsh by saying this but. cry me a fucking river. sorry holly but shitting out half-assed work isn't being a "hard worker" and you jumping from one thing to another without ever really properly learning the ropes is only your fault. stop avoiding what literally everyone is saying about your art, sit down, and study
for gods sake. don't brush it off saying "it's MUH STYLE", then maybe you'll learn something. until i see her actually taking critiques and focusing on her problems, i won't feel bad for her. >>463688
anatomy is so fucked it's uncanny valley at this point. jesus holly calm down and edit for once.
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Still looks and makes more sense than her last drawing with those limpy noodles
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Why does this sound familiar. I wonder…
Lmao even I sit like that sometimes. It's fucking comfy.
Also Devilman Crybaby is super fucking stylized and better than her idea of anatomy.
I hope she spergs about this take on Devilman more bc her expecting this to be as tame as the old one is amazing.
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Funny how she retweets this and never actually does it for herself
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I really dont understand this girl. She's able to draw like this and does it a lot, but her no referenced drawings are all shitty. Literally not learning anything from these assignments because she's rushing to finish everything. What she at school for
They both look like traced exercises for blue studies. Even her “pencil” is different from how she basically puts lines on paper. Also the first image look like a printed copy to which she scribbled on major outlines and values she then traced on the second pic. I don’t know, they are evidently both pencil works, you can see it by how the graphite shines on the first picture, look at the neck.
Saged for nitpicking
Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was traced or not, so I didn't say anything. I hope the teacher notices that she traced (if she's not supposed to)because god, she's so lazy.
You're supposed to be learning, Holly!!
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No, why. She doesn't even take her own advice. Fucking hypocrite, I tell you.
Honestly therapy or getting better mentally won't even help if there's nothing in your life to make it worth getting better for. It's a deep hole, and ime not one worth getting out of.
I wish she'd stayed at an on campus school too. Even without friends, it's still leagues better than isolation was. At least you have your teachers and classmates to see regularly.
Her versions not paying attention to how the shadows actually work and she's just copying whats darker/lighter without thinking why. Theres no subtlety. Shes ignoring how core shadows and cast shadows work and you can see this most comparing the cheek and side the nose on the original and her copy. If she didnt just trace actually studying would be valuable to learn how to treat shadow. Look up core shadow to learn more for your own art.
+her mark making is super sloppy and ignores the actual form of the object. The pencil marks should depict the turning of the forms in space. She just scribbles to get it over with.
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I feel bad for her OCs….
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Look at the planes of the face - the chin stands out to me in particular, and the nose as well. It shows a lack of understanding of the form. It's the same issue as always with her just drawing as quickly as possible without thinking about what she's doing.
Haven't been paying attention to this thread much recently but the recent stuff she posted under her animation dump was depressing. I know this has been brought up before but I'm pretty sure she has ADHD, Aspergers, or another spectrum disorder. It's pretty obvious she has learning difficulties either way because its hard for us to even comprehend what's going on in her head sometimes.
I've recently been referred to a specialist about it myself, and it's spooky the similarities I share with her. Her impulsive buying, her impulsive videos based whatever she's seen most recently, her periods of hyper focus followed by boredom and project switching.
It may be possible that this is the reason she can't study for shit. Like she sits down to try something and is actually physically incapable of making her brain do it.
Sorry if this is too much white knighty, but spectrum disorders can really fuck you up. I have a million coping mechs and am high functioning, but here I am spearing on lolcow instead of doing my art. It can take me hours to convince my brain to work, and it so frusterating.
Anyways, since Holly does read here, go get tested. You aren't going to figure out anything if your brain is fucked and you aren't aware of it.
Okay, good to know all the research on ADHD and spectrum disorders. All those brain scans must be fake. Glad to have someone set the record straight. Let me just will away my dyslexia too while I'm at it. But maybe you're to lazy to do the research.
Sage for ot I'll chill off further derailing.
Yeah, I'm not saying it's for sure the reason. But she's always looking for shortcuts instead of putting in effort. I just feel like if you're so stressed about not being able to pick a project that you're joking about suicide…like maybe its time to consider your laziness isn't something you can overcome alone.
Fuck her ego though, the fact she's up her own ass about her skills drives me crazy. Her recent video reminded me of why I can't stand her.
Fuck off anon, not even here to wk Holly but there are numerous disorders that can impact your brain and make you unable to focus no matter what.
I don't know if she's on the spectrum but Holly's lack of focus and her impulse buying could also be a result of her depression, depression fucks with your brain way more than people seem to know. It seems like she's trying to find whatever is easiest and least stressful but there's no such thing, everything art-related requires hard work.
I guess my point is not to dismiss those disorders so much as to say you can easily be that ineffective without
disorders. Just bad habits. But now that you mention it, depression would be the most obvious suspect
I'd def say that her depression is part of it. I just know she did a test a while back for autism and scored really high for the possibility (a test her mom got her to try because she works with special needs kids). Holly went on to say that she thinks its because every artist is on the spectrum.
Buuuut none of my art friends got even close to her score. That and watching her doing school assignments (math and history) just makes me think she should (at the very least) see someone about it.
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I think it's great that she's part of something and hopefully she interacts with them. But going onto the art side it just looks so bad compared with other people's…Aesthetically wise.. I really hope she doesn't shit talk about those people.
that does look better
the mouths still make no sense
It's not a fucking
midori brand cover it's a regular traveler's notebook NOT made by "traveler's company". God she's misinforming people she doesn't even know wth she's talking about and all the kiddies are going to shell out for no reason just b/c she's got one.
She's such a product junkie, it's disgusting. they're probably going to be sat in a corner in less than three months collecting dust because she decided she didn't like it.
Howsabout actually fucking working on your art, Holly. You don't need fucking leather to do that.
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>>464489>the characters looked like they were older teens
They looked like Ghibli kids in the OVA.
For the same reasoning she shouldn’t be capable of drawing boys. Because you know? She’s a girl.
But she’s equally horrible at drawing both sexes, so…
same anon and her videos are so peaceful to watch too
sage for ot
This is the original post (I realize now this was kind of unnecessary at this point but at least I'm learning?):>>467767
I really like her art too, but I haven't seen Holly in the comments before… Is she usually like this?
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Some of the perspective on these bowls make no sense…
her salad triggers
me so badly.
raw fish needs to be treated properly, and even though vinegar is an ingredient in the process, i seriously doubt she did anything correctly.
raw fish needs to be treated properly, and even though vinegar is an ingredient in the process, i seriously doubt she did anything correctly.
not to defend her but no it does not. it just needs to be fresh or flash frozen. there's no treating it. any sushi you get can make you sick.
actually, yes. fish, especially "fresh" fish does need to be treated properly in order to be eaten raw. It's supposed to be salted and then left in vinegar so that the worms and parasites in the fish meat come out.
sage for fish
samefag, read this you fucking retard.http://www.seriouseats.com/2017/05/how-to-prepare-raw-fish-at-home-sushi-sashimi-food-safety.html
also, you freeze the fish to kill any parasites, vinegar and salt wouldn't cause bacteria to come out just die. you're fucking insane, reaching this hard to hate on holly.
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NTA, but do you mean to tell me that you believe all sushi fish is salted and vinegared beforehand?
Proper fish preparation is supposed to happen before anyone eats sashimi, but it's rare nowadays because people like cutting corners or they don't learn the proper methods.
Although chicken sashimi is a growing fad, it hasn't been proven safe to eat at all. Just because people like putting shit into their bodies doesn't make it safe.
ITT i learned anons like eating trash because they don't know better
did you read your own article?>people couldn't eat raw fish without salt and vinegar until 150 years ago>stopped doing that because of refrigeration after ww2>salted vinegared fish is literally called something else>Seafood suitable for sushi can be prepared in three ways:
·sprinkled with salt and/or allowed to sit in vinegar for a while
·cooked by simmering or grilling.
god you should kill yourself out of the thread.
That's only if the fish is fresh enough which, knowing Holly, it isn't.
but have fun hosting worms
But you said >>467874
that fresh fish needs to be treated properly.
The article you linked actually takes away from your points.
you're a moron.
i assumed that anon in >>467856
meant "fresh" as in "grocery fresh" and not fresh in the sense that fifteen minutes ago it was still swimming in the ocean
holy shit just because you guys don't mind eating sushihouse sashimi and getting worms doesn't mean everyone's ok with it but whatever>>468039
as i'm not carrying out my revenge in a van, i do think you meant vendetta(infighting)
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WTF, base colors took 6 hours?? Holy crap, she's so slow
It's hard to tell because she just draws them without any context, but like, they're all she draws, and people just recognize that they're her characters, but when it comes to who they actually are and their motivations, it's lost on folks.
Plus a lot of her characters look similar and sometimes I'm not sure if they're from Purgatory or not.
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Wtf is this dinner set up?
Why is there fish slapped next to the ham? Do people actually do that?
Where did these niggas get steak and fried chicken from when the way the set up is drawn looks like tgeres no more food past that bottle of wine? What the fuck????
That aside i actually agree with her, food is the only thing shes good at drawing.
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How do you even draw something so unappealing while even trying
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I can't even tell where he's looking. Looks dead like how Baylee draws her characters
“am I like everyone on tumblr now?”
God what a miserable bitter bitch lmfao
That's some fucked up anatomy, she seems to be putting less and less effort into these.
Needs red noses to be full tumblr, though.
FFS Holly, you don't need a flatter. Just do better inks and you can use the wand tool and fill bucket and it'll take a fraction of that time.>>469263
How does this dude even work, he's supposed to be black but is that supposed to be his real hair? He just looks like some generic white dude that she decided to color brown.
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If she's aware of the those long ass chins, then why keep em????
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NGL, the thinner lines do make it easier on the eyes.
Too bad the perspective and anatomy are still fucked.
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I can see the resemblance in some of them..it's just that Holly can't execute it well enough without making it confusing.
You can see the solid foundation in these expressions, Holly just draws a horse face and slaps on some features.>>469589
I wish an artfag farmer would kek, I wonder what she's like to work with. I bet most of the E-Mails she's got are from her 15-year-old fans who just want to get noticed.
I think this is actually a really sensible challenge for once, 30 minutes a day is a feasible amount of time to work on a comic.
But holy shit, that thing she complained about spending 6 hours on was her warm-up? What a waste of energy. Just go a colored sketch of the dude and get on with it.
>>470069>Makes a skillshare course about paneling and flow>"I'm actually horrible at paneling and always reference Manga"
Now if that's not a vote of confidence for Skillshare, then I don't know.
I really question Holly's abilities at this point, how do you draw literally hundreds of comic pages but you still can't put together a simple panel layout? All her effort seems to just go into the void.
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More like he's worried about when he's gonna escape from Holly's hands.
That's WAY less than minimum wage, and at that point, you might as WELL be doing it yourself if you can't afford it. And I suspect she CAN afford it…
But $8? No. No self-respecting artist who knows their worth would ever take up an offer to flat a page for $8-$12 per page. I don't even price any of my own work that low.
The secret is to first get Better
at it, Holly. then
you get FASTER
Do. The Work.
But she herself said that it took her six hours
to do the flats. A professional flatter should/might be able to do it in 30-90 minutes pp, but then she should just hire one rather than enlist one of her fans.
I think Holly mentioned in a fairly recent vlog that she doesn't use the paint bucket tool because of the custom brush she uses to do her inks/lines (she said it didn't work or something). But, even if that's true and she isn't just being a snob, then why tf would she just not get a better brush? Her lines aren't even worth texturing now that they're so thin, it's just a waste of time…>>470194
And that was just the flats for one (albeit large) panel. Imagine having like several landscapes or tons of little objects on one page.
Not to mention how sloppy Holly's lineart is in general, it would drive me up the wall to have to figure out what's what with how she draws people holding objects.
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Off topic but there's algorithms that are like smart paint bucket. Not what you'd hand up as a professional but good enough for Holly's shit. About 30 clicks and 2 minutes gets you this far. Lol the algorithm struggled with the brown thing's face because it's trained on anime images - it goes against everything it knows to make such a stupid skin/hair color combo so it was really fighting against the cues.
>>470134>$8 per page
She's a "professional" artist, right? She should totally know better! Why would a "struggling artist" offer such a shitty fucking deal? It's not like it would even be so amazing and wonderful to work for her either. She does know that artists are often WAY underpaid and we should fight the stigma that we just doodle for shit and giggles and don't need to be paid because drawing is so easy, right? I hope nobody thinks that's a fair pay for anything and agree to do things for practically free. Holy shit I'm mad. Even $8/h would be shit pay!
What's really sad to me isn't just that Holly is underpaying fellow artists "because she saw that's how much they get paid on Google!! uwu"
But the fact that all of her followers, 200K+ little kids and young artists, are now going to do it the same way now that their idol Holly did it. Honestly, she should know better to just say random shit to her audience considering I think she knows they're impressionable. She's breeding her own little pit of greedy little kids who think the world owes them just because they picked up a pencil.
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Oh god, his shoulder just looks like its been cut off and pushed forward
its not horrible at first glance. If I wanted to be nit picky I'd point how the feet look wonky, Simon is holding the pot so weird it looks like he's about to drop it, Damien's shoulders look very dislocated, and theres little to no line weight
at least Damien doesn't look like a 12 yr old girl anymore
It looks better than a lot of her other stuff, even with wonky anatomy.
Day 3 - she found some poor sod to do her flatting for peanuts, and complains about people ruining her E-Mail with applications even though she literally asked for applications like 48 hours ago.
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(im kinda new so i post this over the first one since i think you can´t post two images, sorry if its a prob)
yeah… this person is right, i had the same problem and was really depressed and the solution was not pursuing art school, i know it sounds like giving up but people need other stuff aside from art and if she doesnt stop and at least gets a new hobbie (because come on…you can still art in your free time or something) she will crash really bad and its sad
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Please tell me these are from a long time ago because what a disaster