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HollyBRown is a bad artist, YouTuber, webcomic author, and fujoshi popular with edgy children for her "no bullshit" attitude despite not accepting any criticism.
She beleives she's known for her three webcomics:
Purgatory, her oldest and worst comic, about two gay teens in a cult with lots of rape: https://tapas.io/series/Purgatory
Paranormal Plague, whose most-drawn character hasn't been introduced, with rape DLC: https://tapas.io/series/Paranormalplague
Chroma Prince, her newest Patreon-only NSFW yaoi comic about alien sex slaves, not updated in a month at currently four pages: https://www.patreon.com/hollybrown
She's actually most known for ranting about the CalArts admissions process being unfair even though she was DEFINITELY accepted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB90iDxOcIg
TWITTER (currently deleted): https://twitter.com/HCBrownart
>Got caught tracing an anime screencap for a painting she intended to sell>Locked her Twitter and scrubbed her social media>Reappeared with a video saying it was just a placeholder for composition, contradicted herself constantly>Dug herself deeper in the comments and is now sharing her views on rape (they're bad)
>Organized a for-profit BnHA zine with over 60 different artists to sell at SanJapan>Complained they didn't meet her abrupt deadline then dragged her feet for weeks>Didn't label any submissions so artists were unidentifiable>Committed to printing them at home, realized that was hard, so closed the zine shop without alerting any of the artists>Sent each artist $20 to blow it over. Some artists got another $20. Some people who pulled out of the zine still received the hush twenty>Accidentally leaked names/addresses/phone numbers of almost every artist in an unlisted but accessible YT video>Took too long to fulfill zine orders, downplayed the zine on all her social media to dissuade anyone from ordering more>Still refused to get the zine printed professionally or even send out a PDF copy>Meanwhile her own webcomic rape yaoi doujinshi was printed professionally in time for SanJapan>Had plenty copies of the BnHA zine herself for SanJapan>Zine artists are now posting photos of the copies they finally received and they have misaligned, poorly cut, and upside-down pages>has still failed to apologize>deleted her twitter and pretended her instagram got reported and remade because she got called out>over 50k in debt>Created new channel
>>757177>it comes and goes in phases with me
well at least she recognizes how completely inconsistent she is about whatever flavor of the month medium she's pretending to be master of.
also how did she forget what product she bought and used???
She's complaining that sumi-e paints don't layer and get opaque…
Does she just buy shit that looks cool without the barest bit of research? No need to answer the question for me, I know the answer is yes.
OP put down Holly’s old Instagram.
Her new one : https://instagram.com/hcbrownart
companies love making money off people who are too retarded to realize you can mix paint and make any colour you could possibly want
what's sad is someone who is a "professional artist" and went to school for x amount of years actually bought into it
OT but afaik for watercolours you're not actually supposed to mix more than a couple colours together because it changes the pigment/opacity/makes them muddy. So like, some colours you really should buy specific ones you're gonna use a lot. Although these ones are just colours mixed with brown/black so idk how much that would matter to get these colours?
It's also really funny to me that she bought these as watercolours but they're actually a different medium entirely and then gets mad that they don't work the same as watercolours kek
she should've scrapped the whole video because nothing she said was valid. she was using Sumi ink as watercolour, calling it watercolour, thought it was an entirely different brand and then shit talking it the whole time. this video was literally useless to anyone. she could've at least annotated it because not everyone is going to read the comments where she corrected herself.
she's like 3 videos into this channel and fucking up bad.
the video is still worthless though because even though they're labeled watercolor, they're not traditional watercolors or meant to be used in that way. she used them wrong and then told her impressionable tween audience they're shit because she didn't do any research. all while calling them the wrong fucking thing in the first place.
if you're going to attempt to educate your audience on a product at least do the most basic research. or try to get the name right at all…
I dont think you understand what >>757626
anon is trying to say, like the reason she didnt do any research was because she thought they were just normal water colour paints and not something thats supposed to be used entirely different. Maybe it's different when buying art suppies online, but typically most people when buying a new art product dont look up the brand because they're just interested in trying something new.
She thought it was watercolour because it said it was watercolour. It turns out it wasn't, but that doesn't mean she's completely at fault for using them wrong since she didn't think they would be any different.
However I do agree that it was dumb since she makes "eductaional" videos about the product shes using without doing any research. Like if you know you're trying a new product and are talking about it to the masses then the least you can do is search up the brand to learn more about it
ntayrt, but you know what that is fair. I didn't realise they were labelled watercolors. It's an understandable mistake to buy them thinking they're watercolors, but definitely made her look ignorant as fuck shitting on them so much tho.
You'd think for someone who is trying to not buy any art supplies at all, she'd at least look up the ONE product she's letting herself buy to make sure it's actually good and not a waste of her purchase.
Honestly Holly should look at reviews before she buys anything like most adults. Because buying anything off eBay, Aliexpress or Amazon means the title is going to have “2018/19 Best Watercolors Professional set 6-24 colors” after the brandname.
Most people I know (me and my friends anyway) go off user reviews and not item names and descriptions since most Chinese Wholesalers don’t put much time or effort into properly detailing said items
That said I can understand the mistake, but Holly has what? At least 5 different sets of paints and watercolor paints so it’s not like she needed them, and she’s shit with using watercolors anyway so it’s not like she can give an accurate review or tutorial with the product so…
Just Holly BRown doing what she does best, wasting her student loan and fans money and shit she doesn’t need, again
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She just copy pasted the face on a fat body idk if that’s how “childify” a character works
Oh my god, is she literally complaining about evil sjw's ans people censoring her characters
again? That didn't last long, she made a weird insta story about how she's going to follow her heart and fuck the haters as well (don't know if it's still up though), good grief.
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mc eschering it already on the first fucking drawing. maybe i'm biased because i did tech drawing in (middle) school, but her solid object draws are so laughable because they really look like a kid playing with the mind-blow of how in 3D, the line at the bottom of the cup isn't a straight line but ~a semicircle
If she's been drawing digitally for a long time it shouldn't be an issue. A lot of artists transitioning from traditional art to digital struggle with the smooth surface at first and might have wobbly lines, but they remedy it by putting a sheet of paper over the tablet until they get used to it.
If she did have this issue she would notice though, you can tell that you're uncomfortable with the smoothness and aren't achieving the lines you're usually getting on paper. I think Holly's problem is more that she just doesn't practice her lines (or anything) and doesn't think about lineweight.
It's mostly to do with drawing from the shoulder, and not the texture of the surface. Most non-artists can be pretty bad at drawing smooth lines or curves because they approach drawing like writing where the wrist leads your pencil/pen.
But like >>759334
said, Holly probably doesn't practice or see what's wrong. She uses undo a lot for the other lines (nothing wrong with that, imo) but not that one, which is why I lean to the latter.
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These cups are horrible I take back my compliments about her object art being cute
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There’s more but it’s all pretty much the same
Weird wobbly lines, super lean and everything looks so… chunky?
I don’t know how to describe it but it all looks weird
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oh nooo she even did it after all. she just tries to muss over the bottoms with some extra scratches because she just cannot get why it doesn't look good.
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holds a cup like that? how can she not see how strange it looks?
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she straight up says she has no idea what the point is >i was not sure where i wanted to go with the d50 series. i wasn't sure what exactly i wanted to get or wanted to achieve out of the things i wanted to draw >the subject of the draw50 videos came up and he was explaining to me like hey why don't you try to make each object you draw have its own personality. […] and so the video kind of turned in to how can i make these weird ass cups
so… because she's constantly running away and not running to anywhere, she just flailed onto the dumbest idea a video concept that would allow her to do her comfort doodles, not concerned about its coherence. She started doing it, realised it's meaningless and got bummed out but was telling this to some person and they condescended to her "What if this [other concept] was what you intended?" ("these shoes are in the off position!") and she latched on to that. yeah yeah p-product design.. th-that's what draw50 is
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Everything is wrong in this picture what is going on?? I know this bitch dont go outside but she has to know what a human looks like ?? right ??
Where’s his jawline? It would help if she actually knew how to draw a real skull and put that into her drawings, the ear, chin and eyes would line up better and this the mouth and nose wouldn’t always be sliding off the face
She’s horrible at this she really is, I just want her to actually practice and not pump out shit all the time
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Sage for doublepost but I answered my own question
This is why she doesn’t get better
Holly if it looks like shot you need to scrap it and redo it all, slower and neater the second time until you get it to look nice
Her instagram is like her twitter and YouTube combined she says and posts the dumbest shit I swear
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And she makes it very obvious she lurks
We’ve been saying this for months now
Ya I laughed at that >every artist has this, maybe not on this finger but when you draw a lot you end up with callouses >like when you draw a lot your fingers bleed
Kek no holly, you draw/write properly with your wrist and arm you don’t damage your hands that severely. I’ve never had my hands bleed even after drawing for hours on end, I ended up pushing my cuticles back and yes they got sore, but never bled, they bleed if you play guitar or sew, not drawing or painting kek
A lot of proper webcomic artists will draw 1 or 2 pages a week, usually the former, so that they have time to make it both look good and function within the story they want to tell.
Those are the people that get approached to get their comics published, because it's already polished from the start.
That's honestly the reason I have no sympathy for her actually.
I know there are a good handful of anons her that sympathize and pity her, and wish she'd do better for herself, I wish the same but when she absolutely refuses at every turn to change herself for the better and make her own situation better, then bitches and complains about it, I just can't feel sorry for her and will continue to laugh at her until she does. It's more infuriatingly funny to me then redundant.
Holly is going to be 28, still a kissless virgin only more bitter and hateful, her art will still be shit and she will have nothing with her life besides sit on her ass and shit up the internet with her shitty art and opinions, and it'll be then when she realizes its her own fault shes like that, and maybe she should have taken the crit and changed before burning every bridge.
I hold my pencil in a similar way to Holly (pencil leaning agains the fourth fingers instead of middle), and I've found that actually way more artists draw holding the pencil like that than you would think. I think it has to do with the wrist and elbow movement needed to write.
Either way it's not great and I have RSI now and really bad callouses on my finger and the inside of my thumb because I studied an essay based degree and boy the number of essays you write will KILL you. But the callous is a nice soft padding. A pillow for your pencil.
SUPER OT, but gunna be honest never saw any other artist hold a pencil like Holly. My little bro and a few other dudes I know hold their pencils/pens like that and they have horrible writing, like they dont have proper wrist and arm control. It just seems so odd to me because holding a pen on my ring finger makes me want to use my fingers to flow not my wrist and thats what I see with Holly. She flows with her fingers and hand, not her wrist and arm.
I guess it's not really a position thing and more a control thing but it just looks and feels odd, not saying its wrong or anything just seems like you have to practice control and flow more then someone who uses their middle finger.
thats the difference I guess, Holly doesnt know how to properly flow or gesture her wrist given her position and never learned to work with and around it.
That really doesnt surprise me at all, tbh
also-side note; I havent had callouses on my fingers since I was in my late teens/early 20's, and I changed up my handcare routine now I dont have a single callous and the area on my middle finger is just a little more tough then the other fingers, and it doesnt get sore or hurt after hours of drawing. (throwing a tip out to hopefully help, care for your fingers anons please!)
OT but I also hold my pencil/pen/etc against the first joint of my ring finger. For ages, especially in high school when I drew a LOT, and years afterward, I had a soft type of callous like you describe right on the side of the joint.
Nowadays I don't write on pen/paper nor draw much at all (sadly) and the callous is completely gone. But I never had issues when I had one. Having it bleed is definitely… alarming to say the least. She has to be overexerting herself and doing some sort of rough or jerky hand movements.
I guess to be fair I've always used my arm+wrist innately.
The truth is it shouldn't bleed. I've sat through 6 hour essay exams and the only thing I got was an extra callous on my thumb area (I know it's a bad way to hold the pencil, I've actually been trying to change it because it's not sustainable rip). Unless she has REALLY DRY HANDS because if so please moisturise because that's a bad look.>>760242
also yeah it's a bit weird because you use your fingers sometimes. It takes active effort to… not do that and to use your whole arm, because holding it against your ring finger actually allows for more swooping motions because of the angle of the pen.
Anyway this is super OT, to loop it back to Holly, she shouldn't be bleeding that's just really bad hand care.
I use to write between my index and middle finger throughout elementary and students and teachers would call it out so I started to hold my pencils "correctly" and developed a callous in that same spot.
This properly answers why her sketching is so scratchy since she only only uses her wrist motion which is extremely limited. Even then, how would your hands bleed from that? Im genuinely curious because where would it bleed from?
I thought she would give up livestreaming ?
Guess the old Holly's back
“I think I’m getting ANOTHER silver play button by the end of this year LOL had to make a new channel cause I was acting like a cunt so lmfao”
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She's doing commissions on stream for 20 USD a pop and making a tidy little sum too, her current wait list is over 200 dollars alone.
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Finished first comission
I was also positively surprised, but I have a feeling at least parts of this are traced. I don't believe Holly BRown actually has this level of skill, though I might be wrong.
The knee kind of irks me as odd, but I don't see the foot so I can't really judge it.
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Finished the second one
Personally, i think this one's better
Shit man, good on her for doing commissions. Probably not as stable as most jobs, but it`s better than how she used to beg for money for things she didn't need while sitting on her ass at home doing nothing. At least this way people can watch her livestreams and know exactly what they're getting (not only by seeing the final drawings, but also the amount of effort and time that she puts into them). Though she's charging a cheap-ish price, so that`s not much to complain about really.
The lean is so fucking strong on that list though. I really think she tilts her head at a weird angle when she writes and draws or something.
Hey these are alright! Like she sat down and tried to practice SOME basics before doing this. Still her standard stiffness, blocky weird lines and horrible positioning and lean but it's an improvement.
I'm not hopeful tho, I get the feeling this is going to stop as soon as she started because Holly can't commit to anything, and she's going to give up on trying to be a bit more perfectionist over her work…>>760585
Nah, she tried commissions before and she barely put an effort in when she did, and got pissy about it not even half way through and said she wouldnt be doing commissions again. This is for money and followers because she needs that $$$ and her real body of work will only look like this on the off chance.
why has she suddenly done drawings that are 10x better than her comic art?? the anatomy, the lines…
(except for that grody top lip)
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third and last one
imagine holly doing vore porn, i shudder at the thought>>760643
none of the anons here are saying these are amazing, just better than what she usually puts out. holly has barely improved for the last 3 years so seeing even a little improvement in her skill and attitude is good and hopefully she keeps the momentum.
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can this person fucking not?>>760502>tidy sum
not in the end. she did 3 over like 8 hours and made… $60
I mean she was paid up front, so yes, she has over 200 bucks in her pocket now. She just hasn't done the work yet.
Speaking of, her sketching process is so tedious to watch. She does like 2-3 sketches on top of each other before finally inking and takes forever.
tbh it's better than just rushing it , I've done this especially if its for a client whos paying for the art.
though her inking could be sped up .
Her constantly going over her sketches like that progressively stiffens her art. It's fine to refine a sketch but eventually you have to bite the bullet and line it. >>760507
Her lip looks swollen.
why have multiple sketch layers? it'd be more efficient and easier to fix mistakes on the one sketch layer and work with that, and her lining looks like bad sketching most times anyway, she never cleans up her linework.
yeah, watching her going over her sketches repeatedly and seeing them going from fluid/dynamic to stiff and 2D is depressing.
watching her stream now and i'm surprised she actually closed her commissions for the time being, since she loves to overwork herself and line her pockets.
She tried after someone recommended it to her. She said it was shit. “a waste of $20” since she got it on sale.
She thinks anything new isn’t worth using. Just like them webs that won’t stop using Sai, even though it’s a bad art program, or at least the old pirated version everyone has is bad and outdated as shit.
>>760868>her cat Sam had to be declawed because he's polydactyl??
did she go into why? polys don't NEED to be declawed
mine had an extra claw coming out of his pad we needed to take care of every few years, but most poly's claws are like every other cat's regular claws.
sage for cat claw sperg
A lot of artists use ps tho
Which are the better programs?
PS is flexible for heaps of shit but if your just doing digital art like sketches and nothing else Photoshop is overkill.
Paint tool sai, Medibang, Krita and Mangastudio are fine replacements. PS is like it says more for photo manipulation and photography type stuff though it is possible to do sketches/digital drawing in it its needlessly complex for such a simple purpose.
Really you only want to use PS for certain editing and possibly sketch clean up/vectoring, but for digital drawing it's a cloggy, often RAM heavy program. Like >>760881
listed, there are many other options, Mangastudio/PaintClip Studio are vastly superior options for Holly to be using but it's a learning curve when trying new programs so she probably gave it like a day then gave up because she couldn't use it 'exactly like PS'
Besides if you want to use an Adobe program for digital art you're best off using Flash or whatever they call it now, but Holly hated that and TV paint too because it was 'too hard to use'
And they're not, you just have to take the time to learn to use them. I wonder how many art programs she has sitting on her computer now, never being used.
She tried saying in >>759987
that she has no idea if Clip Paint was compatible with her Cintiq (it is, it's called Google Holly use it) so I'm guessing thats one of her excuses for not switching over, because she'd have to spend time rebinding keys to her tablet and figuring out the shortcut keys etc.
I spent maybe a week fully figuring out Clip Paint Studio and it didnt have to take me that long, I was having fun figuring out everything the program had to offer, but I guess that would cut back on the time she has for the 10,000,000 pages of comics she puts out a day, and she couldn't possibly waste time like that /s
ever wanted to watch Holly eat McDonalds? watch this THRILLING stream~
she does look happier though which is good
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Her room is yet again,(no surprise tbh) Filthy AF
it's not AS cluttered as it used to be, def cluttered and untidy tho
she looks really tired here ngl
ugh I think so too! I tried finding the same mic as her as well( because i like the color) but it seems like its not being made or sold anymore. I just wish she could manage to keep her room clean and coordinate some other stuff to make it look cuter
…. also that open can is just begging for ants! I don't know how she can live, or eat for that matter, in her own filth.
like anybody actually believed that for a second
she needs to actually find other women ATTRACTIVE to be somewhat considered bi.
Nah its much better than Holly's normal stuff since the composition is pretty solid and the scene actually makes sense. Everything else is a bit meh.
I know Holly lurks on here so my advice to her would be to actually try to accurately redraw the screenshot before redrawing it in her own style. That way she can learn the nuances of the scene before choosing which parts she wants to stylize and bring attention to.
>>763063>>763299>>763304>the scene actually makes sense
not really? I had to look up the actual scene from beetlejuice and I didn't even know that was who she was drawing until she said it in the video.
She doesn't add the actual screenshot from what I can see, just says that her redraw will look like shit when compared to the original (paraphrased). Even then, the feel I got from her redraw is that the suit guy is belittling the shrunken head like a head-villain-to-underling-type interaction but that isn't at all how the scene plays out. Maybe it's her dreamworks brows at it again
also>i flip my canvas a lot because my art is wonk
and yet she still has so much lean? HOW?
really? she didn't show the fucking actual screenshot in the video?
anyway.. she gave beetlejuice that horrid dangly style of tie that she only knows how to draw and gives everyone. Is this a Texas style of tie? Even if so it's so ugly. looks like it's just slid down and not on properly and is going to get caught in something
she does have a sketch under that, she just turns them green to hide them because she says she thinks it looks cool to have her lines come from nothing. if you watch her streams you'll see she does actually map out her composition with shapes.
so…she just sucks tbh.
As a fellow ex-holly fan, I also used to relate to a lot of the things she said. But I started to realise that there were so many things she said that were just wrong. TBH I followed her because she had these interesting merch making videos and I thought they were very snazzy, but then she started to lord about the fact she's a different artist and she uses ink and she does studies and uses toned paper, it was pretty iffy.
She has good art. I mean, if you look at that one video about storyboarding, she did a w hole thing with a tiger and a zebra, and a few of those compositions were pretty good! But somehow she never translated that into her normal work which is so frustrating to see.
It's so easy to get caught up in yourself, though, which is what Holly has done. She constantly plays the victim and never thinks before she speaks, which is why somme people love her and most people hate her. There's being blunt and there's just being downright obnoxious.
(weak way to start the thread off again- no, dummy that is why the news shows that. go watch Nightcrawler etc. You can still post the video even if it's got nothing worth commenting on)
More on topic, Holly's just rehersing/resaying the same things she already stated, because she doesn't really internalise it. Also per her ig story she's making no yt money now >your estimated revenue $0.77
Lol, the irony. This is really the best time for her to be working on her comics though. No school, no financially motivated "obligation" to YT (not that she was ever under contract or anything, but now she makes zilch from it), and she's probably only working part-time if she does have a job. She's never going to get the same YT following that she used to after moving to a new account, as if all of the drama didn't affect her past views enough. If she had an actual Patreon schedule, she could be making some cash off of just updating her comics early on there and showing concept stuff.
But nope, gotta be a useless ~aesthetic~ art-tuber! Deleting her first twitter was also a bad idea in terms of getting more readers. Wonder how long it`ll be until she blows up again about how she's so poor and works so hard and spends so much $$$, why aren`t you guys buying my shitty originals.
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New purgatory pages
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these aren't even horrible but the lack of backgrounds makes it look so boring and empty
>set scenes in an ornate cathedral >draw it partially using 3d models maybe 2 or three times and thats it >extremely low effort flat grid for the floor reminiscent of tron
what the fuck? it could be a cinderblock apartment for all the visual information you give us, holly. I know you can't into perspective but jeeze
I’m not gonna lie, part of me is grateful. This whole thing only has one panel of that awful wood texture.
I guess for Holly it’s either a panel that’s too crowded or one that’s completely empty be of backgrounds or people. To me the only panel that looks okay is the large middle panel here >>768974
and that’s if you ignore weird perspective on the people placed in it.
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I thought they were in the Matrix construct. Lol how the three men here >>768964
are pasted into this void from the previous page.
Jesus these are all awful
She really barely made any improvements, perspectives of all the characters are fucked like none of them look like they are in the same place or even touching each other when they are actually touching each other.
All the hands are even more mitten-like then usual, everyone looks constipated, and what in the actual fuck is happening with the two old guys >>768966
walking away? It's like they're walking up a slanted wall with broken ankles.
Weird lines everywhere that look like they're shadow lines and she forgot to fill in said shadows, then she was too lazy to even use the 3D bg's in the panels, all of this is literally a purgatory.
She can kinda draw hair now… a bit. I mean she knows how to make it look less like a lego piece put on their heads, it all still looks like one solid clump.
I'm sorry but this is just sad, she's regressed so much it's obvious she doesn't give a fuck about this anymore. Sorry for the tl;dr but holy shit Holly give a fuck for a while will you? At least for your fans that still read this hot garbage?
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This fucked me up
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I can't remember is the dad meant to be gay or gay.. sympathising? i mean look at this. (which, btw, you can see straight through to holly's own face as the model).
he doesn't seem to put any weight behind his 'no funny business' instruction.
btw the whole interaction seems to shift jarringly in tone
>i'm really worried about him
>now hurrr hurr i hold the keys up high tehee
i admit i don't know the characters
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sorry it's not milk but i clicked her stories and then was like wait what am i watching, who is this i thought i clicked holly brown. so what the fuck it turns out she is cute? she looks.. like a babe? not like a femcel fujo?
You're entitled to your opinion anon but 'babe' isn't the word.
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The art lean is still pretty bad. Holly is still using contour lines instead of drawing through the subject using principles of under drawing. I like seeing Holly push herself and get out of her comfort zone.
It'd probably be beneficial to Holly to isolated studies of the human face and body. I know that this might be something Holly thinks she above doing but it's obvious that she didn't take her anatomy study very seriously.
I find it baffling she can’t stick to a schedule when she is SELF EMPLOYED. She creates her OWN work schedule.
Also the way she draws the plants and then the containers around them on some of them is frustrating along with the scratchy linework of what is supposed to be a final image. For someone who does linework all the time I can hardly believe how bad it looks.
Business related list of stuff in vid:
-throwing out all her old merch
-has a ton of the enamel pins left (it’s a fuckton)
-throwing out all her fanart prints
-selling her cricut machine
-next 2 months purgatory only no paranormal plague at ALL
-“every project I did last year failed”
-not making stuff herself anymore, getting stuff produced with manufacturers
-wants to prepackage merch in plastic (more waste)
-Kickstarter for Purgatory book 2 soon???
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The box of pins. That’s a decent amount of pins leftover. Did she get a quantity of 50 each?
plus don't you have to have good credit ect to even get an apartment or is it different in TXs?
after all the drama shes been in people aren't going to help her out anymore.
its funny that she thinks shell sell a lot of purgatory volume 2 to even make ends meet .its truly hilarious
>>768966>>768965>>768967>Tiles for miles. >The grid. A digital frontier.
At this point she's rushing purgatory out. Everyone is just vaguely in a church or vaguely in a room or kinda in 3D-esque space.
It's astonishing how she thinks that going to attempt a second kickstarter to put this to print is passable.
Like, the first volume from what I seen had its issues and wonky art, but at least it was more visually interesting. Here it looks like she's just given up in almost every aspect. Who's gonna want this by the time she decides to sell it…? She's lost serious momentum after all the bullshit.
It's just depressing at this point and clear as day she wants it done asap so she can run that kickstarter and expect that money she thinks she deserves to come rolling in.
Is nobody going to point out the fact that she put cracks on the fucking windows?! Like, holy hell, that's not how glass works - well, neither does the wall.
Also, that literary masterpiece of "There were cracks we thought were just cracks, but they were bad cracks."
Honestly, everything is so bad I’m barely even phased by it. I mean, there are two whole pages with literally nothing except people talking in a void.>>768975>>768977
At least prior pages had one single panel with some grid space that suppsed to suggest a background, but she couldn’t even do that without quitting near the end.
No one cares about this slow, boring excuse for plot. The art is the bare minimum. She can’t even draw her own backgrounds anymore, wonky though they may be. This is just… sterile. I never thought I’d see such a soulless product in such a creative medium. But here we are.
Me too, Anon.
I miss Holly’s bad art advice and her shitty memes.
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Guess she’s really not going to finish getting her degree huh.
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Damn, I was too slow with the Clever Kitchen post, still: here's some other Instagram stuff.
I’m more astounded that she seemingly increased the length of it?? Didn’t it start as an 8 minute animation? Granted that too is excessive for a single person, but 15??
That aside we all knew this was inevitable.
>I’m going to focus on nothing but Purgatory >What do think of this new project guys?
Can’t wait to see how this turns out.
She said she would screen print the paper (it's thin sheets of wood) but that she doesn't know how and doesn't have "that technology" but I remember her buying screens and other screenprinting stuff for her pencil cases forever ago. She infuriates me.
She also wants to buy a lasercutter down the line which are SO expensive and really not worth it in any case for a single person unless you have a business that is using it full-time. I thought she wanted to stop buying so much technology and just find places that do it for her.
Good fucking lord kill me PLEASE. I sell at conventions and have an online store what the act fuck does she need a laser cutter for????? Most kids and others that buy art related things usually go for either prints or small things like charms or stickers.
I can't imagine why she would need need to use a laser printer in the first place unless she's making things like custom cut wooden charms which is so damn unnecessary when acrylic ones are so much cheaper to make/get made. Once again shes spending unnecessary money and she wonders why she never makes any profit back.
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Really want to spray her with water and tell her “NO!”
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Words cannot explain the stupidity…
Seriously. Just take what you learned from purgatory and implement it into new projects. Fucking paranormal plague needs help with pacing/panels, work on that.
Stop trying to make Fetch happen.
Because it's easier. Redrawing Purgatory will give Holly the illusion of being productive without her having to put in the effort to create completely new content.
Holly needs to put her pencil down for a bit and come up with a solid plan for her future. Realistically speaking her videos are her only real draw. I mean most of her fan base buy her art/commission her because they like her videos. Unfortunately with her new channel and current update schedule I think she is slowly losing the few fans she had left. If I was Holly I would try to focus on rebuilding my YouTube following (with more vlogs, challenges and tutorials) and then try to come up with a project I could sell to my fanbase (Paranormal Plague looks like it could work but commissions would also work just as well). While this is going on I would try to figure out a back up plan, like going back to school to become a teacher, for when my e-fame eventually wore out.
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So it looks like she's actually going to do this, but like… Why? Baffling
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But why though
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Im not following the series religiously but why is the sexual abused kid making out with the adopted brother?
I've noticed this with her. She always seems to find more random shit to slap her art on which, anyone who runs an online store or sells at conventions will tell you is a bad idea.
The golden rule is quality over quantity aka: there's an endless amount of things to turn into sellable items but most people keep it to the basics because while you could sell custom printed shower curtains with your art on it, will it really be cohesive with the rest of your products? I guess I could clap for her trying to be creative and embroidered patches aren't too out of the loop of regular merch but…Eh, I'm kinda starting to notice that with her. It's safer to stick with things like buttons, stickers, enamel pins, etc. I'm just expecting her to come out with some obscure thing like and toliet cover with Reese's face slapped on it.
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I'm pretty sure she doesn't have her own thread yet
Nice, who doesn't want grammatical errors on their patches? or is "Art Supplies" a trademark now?
Apart from that, it's impressive how fucked up the composition of the patch is, she literally throws the visual components everywhere, no coherency whatsoever.
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After all that bullshit toward the end of last year, she is calling this criticism 'vague'. She knows full well what she's making and doesn't care about the tone of the comic because it's all over the place. The rape incident isn't handled well (read: not at all) and the her comments joking about it and implying Simon is to blame for it happening are probably still up.
But then she wants to play it up like it's some deeper narrative, like, no, bitch, follow your dreams. Go hard or go home. Go all in and make your shitty fujo comics like you really want to, like you did with seize. Trust trust, bitch don't be coy lmao.
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Are you fucking kidding me?>Comic's first draft with a decent art style>Redraws it>Version 1.0 Holly on youtube comes out>Wants to do a Kickstarter for the first volume>Redraws it>2019, Holly still hates how it looks>Redraws it
This comic literally is her purgatory
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Perfect example for how lost her fans are by now
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Lord almighty, don't tell me she's planning another Kickstarter while wanting to buy a lasercutter soon?!
Can somebody tell me why everyone in the comments is like "OMG, so proud of u!"? Maybe I just don't see it but redrawing the same comic for the 3rd time does't seems like a accomplishment to me, after dropping out of college and refusing to earn money with her hobby.
(Also, that kickstarter plan is absolute bs, she basically wants money so she can release the same comic again or what?!)
Isn't there a laser cutter ad going around on IG right now? That might be why she won't shut up about it.
And yeah there's nothing to be proud of her for, she hasn't learned anything, and she doesn't really have anything to show for her blowing her money and spinning her wheels for like 4 years.
Holly, I think people want to see you put in more effort into showing a more realistic/less ridiculous version of your scenario. Which wouldn't kill ya, you know, since you seem to think it's important also.
Seems like your only explaination for this character is "Now he likes it up the ass cause like, uh, PTSD or something."
It's really interesting to see what little percentage of her original subscribers followed her to her new channel - and it doesn't seem to rise significantly anymore. With not even 30 000 subs she will barely be able to make a living so no idea why she already purged most of her etsy content (including the comissions).>>775459
"Because I was given free stuff, I managed to be a more successful artist." Fuckin' what. Up to this point I thought she knew she lived through controversies and stuff, but she actually thinks what she has done up until now could be considered SUCCESSFUL?!
Technically she hasn't earned a dime since she spends everything, she also has a 50k debt for an education she didn't complete and still circles back to a project that's technically completed (Purg book 1) but she can't let go off, because creating new content is obviously too much work for her. Successful, yeah right, my ass.
I've never been this baffled before.
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"Idk, I don't like comissions, Idk, they are not my OCs. This shit won't sell, but hey, at least there's something on my store!"
Professional artist right here, ladies n' gents!
you're comparing videos that have been up for years and a few that went viral with videos that have been up for days.
The average for the videos from the last 6 months of her old channel is ~20 000. But hey, I didn't mean to imply it's enough to make 'success' money, I'm just saying her views are holding up
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Out of interest, isn't she vastly underselling her stuff?! From what I can read (and how it's advertised) these are handpainted and she actually sells them for like 13 dollars a piece?!
Where is she gonna find the money to move out? I might've lost some development but she doesn't even have the two jobs she claimed to have???
plus, Holly can never focus on one thing and she hops from one project to another with a certain frequency… that's not the mentality of someone that DOESN'T end up a hoarder again, just you wait until her monkey brain starts telling her that she must engage in yet another way of doing things so she can appear way more mature/productive than she really is.
She already went through this, giving away art supplies only to purchase them again; her "sentiment" in this video might be in the right place but she doesn't seem to aware of what makes a hoarder in the first place, you can have a lot of art supplies and still be very organized, you don't need to "get out of your experimental phase" to sort your life out, that'd be boring as hell.
She probably knows they'd be a hard sell if the price was higher, but she's not doing herself OR any other artists a favor by lowballing her prices. It's kind of damned if she did, damned if she didn't. At that price she's selling at a loss, but higher and they wouldn't move. So it's another waste of time and money.
But "I'm only working on purgatory" though.
Idk about you but these art prints are fugly as shit. Why doesn’t she make screens to mass produce these? Making a screen for a print works 10x better than a pencil case, plus if she still has the circuit you could totally just make one using vinyl and a mesh around a canvas frame.
Work smart, not hard, stupid!
I have never understood why she is so vehemently against this. Given her current financial situation of being at least 50k+ in debt with nothing to show for it, moving to a new channel and most of her projects being
money or time sinks that don’t even break even she’ll need to get a job outside of her art projects if she wants to make the talk about moving out a reality. I don’t know why her ego is so massive that she looks down on people “flipping burgers” to pay their bills.
I thought she was enjoying commissions, her streams doing them were pretty enjoyable to watch and she had a big list of people who wanted them. She could've made a lot of money off them if she streamlined her process. Did she even finish her waiting list?
I don't understand why she even wanted an art degree since it was going to be 100% useless and she wasn't even getting the benefit of networking. Does she think graphic designers or commission artists feel emotionally invested in their work, or does she think they bail out when they can't insert their OCs? I can't imagine her with a client in a professional setting. "Idk I just don't feel connected to what you're asking me to do, what if we use my emo cutter girlboi for your logo instead?"
There she goes again, trying to handle other people's money to make wonky custom charms that she'll probably fuck up on then blame the people who gave her the money for her to make their charms.
She honestly won't get to doing this. If she manages to get the cutter she'll probably fuck up on it anyway. She just wants to do it because she thinks her idea is original.
So, I guess no car, or moving out, then?
Like, she becomes so obsessed with the idea of making products but they never come out right.
Every time she gets a crazy idea like this someone should remind her of the fucked up zine fiasco. The position she puts herself in constantly, doesn't lend itself to working well with others so I'm having trouble believing shed do any better here. Laser cutting isn't the same as printing. She's going to waste so much time and money just troubleshooting. Leave the manufacturing to actual manufacturers.
Also laser razor is the dumbest name I've ever heard for this, and the logo she mocked up is fucked.
Get bent, Holls.
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Why? Why why why why why? What goes in Holly’s mind when she does things like this? What possesses a person to want to redo a work that will bring no benefit? The only possible reason is for her ego to be soothed that it looks better, but she hasn’t gotten that much better at art. What kind of mental gymnastics does she do to avoid facing the truth, that there is no reason for her to be doing this?
What goes on in her mind to think wood prints are a good idea? How does this woman think? I just don’t understand.
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Was it ever discussed how she actually released a book with 150 blank pages for 12 dollars?!
(I mean, there's also that 600 pages slam book, but at least you get some more paper with that)
(Same anon as above)
Also, why the hell would people go through her to get their charms done when you can already get wooden charms through Acorn press or Zap creatives? If you invest in something like this you have to go into a niche that no one else is doing. Also with how badly she handled the zine, I doubt any experienced artist would go to her over those distributors out of fear of her fucking something up.
Holly obviously thinks that she’s a goddess, the zine artists were the ones in the wrong and she could never do anything bad!
Holly needs to stop drinking all this dumb bitch juice and focus on her own shit.
She talks and talks and TALKS about all these projects and has no self control. If she gets an apartment I bet you she will be unable to pay her rent a few months after getting a place. That is if she even finds a place that doesn’t need her to make money over a certain threshold or proof of employment??? Her down payment is gonna be like 3k. How is she even going to get a car????
If she was able to focus on just one thing at a time, I think that she could do it too, but she's literally unable.
And she can't/won't get her head out her ass long enough for her to be interested in making stuff for other artists. It's all about her in the long run, and from the start she gets it wrong because she's thinking about how much money she could earn, instead of the services she could be offering. Since she's so self-serving and self absorbed.
She hasn't got her priorities straight. She's trying to get a car and move out, but is concerned about someone 'stealing' her oh-so-original laser cutting manufacture 'idea' that 'no one else is doing'? That's not the talk of an artist, that's talk of someone trying to cash in on a gimmick and she's never honest with herself about that.
There’s literally a TON of acrylic/wood laser cutting places that have good reputation and competitive pricing. Heck, I’d rather buy overpriced Zap Creatives or ink it labs stuff than order with her.
She’ll ignore the orders, do them when she gets enough complaints of it taking too long, and then botch them.
God help whoever actually goes with this, it’ll probably TwistedDisaster and Creepshow.
Am I the only one thinking that it often looks like Holly has never actually learned to draw?
I mean, sure, she made some studies, but watching her doodling her comic pages is like watching a child with a pencil. She has no control of her line, as evident by her scratchy way of laying them down, the way she holds her pencil makes my hand hurt (she only uses her wrist) and there is no thought put into the actual construction of her pictures.
In all seriousness, there is so little soul in her work, it's painful to look at them. I have absolutely no idea how people can call her their queen when there are so many young artists, on tumblr alone, out there who make similar and better content.
I won't even start comparing her to actual professionals, that would be just laughable.
Welp, the Logo is shit. Having studies graphic design for quite some time, seeing the Letters not even aligned properly with the middle (the S should be centered) is such an immediate turn-off.
And what the heck "I hve 30 orders NOW, just missing the 3 grant"
What kinda math is that?! Where does she take these orders from, how does she think her fans would want hundreds upon hundres of wooden charms?! She wants to start a business she has no idea about, oh lord.
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Anyone remeber the good old days when this thing was supposed to be worth 300 dollars? Yeah, me neither.
Thank you, that pretty much sums it up - she hasn't earned it.
Might sound harsh to some, but considering how little thought she puts into everything (I don't even think she works as much as she claims, since she has so little to show and she shows EVERYTHING) and how unwilling she is to adhere to any kind of standard (especially in the industry, but even her personal work is starting to get more lazy) I honestly don't think that anyone is unfair towards her, when saying "you are a bad artist".
She has no drive, no personal motivation apart from money, no desire to listen to people, no interest in any subject apart from the series she's currently watching and her OCs, no morals, no diligence, no discipline, no conscience, basically she has no idea in general of anything outside of her room.
If we would see this as a starting point and she would strive to get better at at least SOME of these things there wouldn't be more than a dozen threads about her, but as things stand she is actually getting worse each day.
Problem is, talent is nothing once you hit adulthood and don't nourish it. There are people born without talent that would far supass her by now, because they actually work hard.
Besides, being born with some talent doesn't make her any less lazy, unoriginal and uncreative - her art might be "unique" but really, so are some stick figures drawn by pre-schoolers. It boiles down to what she does with her life and so far she has basically nothing that could be considered future-proof.
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"I'm selling a bunch of my crap cause I really wanna get that freakin' laser engraver… So… I'm selling my vlog camera and tv pain professional edition. Basically I've realized I cannot own these thing 'cause they just do not make me any income, and I need to have something that makes me income, sooo…"
As much as I like… Want to animate on this, I've realized like, it doesn't make me money therefore it's a hobby, same with vlogging, and for RIGHT NOW I have to focus on getting out of this house soo yeah"
"Also if you want one of these label printers, I'm selling this for like 150, they're surprisingly expensive, these things are just as expensive as my big fucking printer, what the hell?"
That's just…what? Is she seriously thinking that her goddamn laser thingy will make her SO MUCH monies?!
And I loled so hard, she is seriously trying to sell her educational license - that's basically the version you can't even use professionally, only for university. Isn't that the program she collected 2000 fucking dollars for? This version is worth about a quarter of that, holy heck.
Do you want the laser engraver or to fucking move out, which is it, holly, because you cannot do both.
And I wouldn't want any product from her messy, gross, rsggedy room either. Imagine gettin dust and grime and dirt all in that engraver. She won't do proper maintenence on it, she never takes care of her shit
I will never understand why she doesn't just get things made online. It is affordable and would safe her so much time and money.
Even if she gets a lasercutter, there's a lot of trial and error involved and she won't be able to fix or adjust it herself (look how much she struggled with her printer and book binding equipment). She also shouldn't put it in her cramped room because it needs proper ventilation.
I don't remember where exactly she lives, but there might even be a maker space close by? She should have her license by now…
Well, she thinks she will earn money by making stuff for other people, so…
Still have no idea why she thinks there would be a huge demand for engraved charms - certainly not a big enough one to have most of her fans bulk-ordering them like she believes they will.
Didn't she sell out of prints of these at the con? I'm actually kind of surprised one of her fans hasn't bought it tbh.>>776263
I thought Holly was turning over a new leaf and would slowly fade into obscurity but here she is, coming out swinging with her old milky behavior. I'm starting to think she's legitimately ADHD with how she's incapable of focusing on one thing for more than a minute. She's so hyperfixated on this printer, as soon as she gets it she's going to be bored of it.
She seems manic right now yammering on about this bs. She doesn't know how to keep it simple and just focus on doing one thing well because she's constantly chasing money to throw at more dumb shit. She thinks she's thinking because her mind is going a mile a minute. >>776315
She legit tried to make it her business to print all of them herself. If she can't handle that or communicating with others, then she can't handle a business.
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Has anyone uploaded the newest purgatory pages yet? The writing is GOLD
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Damian has turned into a gary stu
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Simon is depressed, like always
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So much angst
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yeah, what does he want to be for Hitler
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something is a bit off here, I can't quite point my finger to it
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Damians tourette syndrome is a new one, doesn't seem like a big deal tho
sounds like some made-up allegations. I wouldn't put it past Holly to be like that, but if you want to bring this kind of milk to the table show some proof - since it seems you can't I call fake>>776718
she draws the wonkiest looking shoulders. the second panel looks alright tho. it'd just a shame how lazy she gets because if she put more effort into it these would look better.
for example, why can't she add some halftones to her drawings? that way there's an idea of value and her pages don't look so flat and white. does she have something against halftones? i feel like she would.
jup, she just doesn't lnow how and where to use them, it seems
The form of the shading is so random (look at the trash bags), it's like she just sees techniques actual professionals use and decides she's a pro now as well - I remember vividly how she told everyone on her ld channel how she would do tutorials for screentones etc.
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>reading these new pages
She actually only gets money through YouTube (because of ads), Etsy, Amazon (barely) and - if she graces her fans with updates - Patreon.
Makes it quite obvious why she now resorts to selling her stuff, her following on YT has decreased tremendously and she can't be arsed to do anything for Etsy.
Currently she plans to get money through Kickstarter in order to finance her personal wishes, which is shady as hell - I hope her fans are not THAT far gone.
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Remember this guy? Yeah, me neither
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These motion lines don't look right
I mean, it's been a while since I read through the first volume, but the characters are so damn inconsistent. It's so obvious she just wanted to make a "romantic" scene without any good reason (heck, i don't even know where they are supposed to be at - is that the church?!)>>777051
At least for once she wrote what she probably thinks when doing each and every page of her comics - "haha, so GAY!"
Ok what kinda name is 'Meriar' supposed to be?
As if Attarah wasn't enough
for the lolz>>775771
At around 16:25 Holly says how "the arms look horrible lol, I'll fix them later">>777052
final product ("fixed")
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She already stopped using the halftones in Simon's suit. Guess that was too much work lmfao
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how can someone, who has supposedly studied art for years, at this point still be THIS bad at perspective?! I mean, look at this floor! This is not how it works, god damn it
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speaking of which - still don't know what that is
lol, according to Holly he's her fave character
Oh, and Kickstarter is happening in march. Can't wait for it
Just checked their products - considering she wants to make a "business" out of it she should technically go for the priciest version (6 grant, ouch) since they have better cooling and are actually made for constant usage.
After looking through some laser cutters in general I'm sure you are right, any other cutters I could find are faaaar below 3000, so there's that (and of course Holly has to get the best model right away, since she's already a pro and everything)
My thing is when is she gonna figure out that buying new things won't make her productive.
Common' Holly, we already went through a Cintiq, an iPad,TV Studio Paint, a book press??, A giant copic marker collection, and a bunch of other shit I can't even remember. Each one you have bought and resold on a whim.
What makes you think this new laser cutter is gonna be any different.
The only thing she's been good at so far is reselling her junk.
I'd say that'd be a pretty lucrative gig, but she almost always sinks her money into something expensive then resells it at a loss like 6 months to a year later.
I don't think it's good idea to start diagnosing people over the internet but it does make you wonder if there is something going on there with all the impulsive decisions. Plus she gets too bogged down in pointless busy work that makes no sense from an earning point of view. She's obsessed with this notion of how hard she is working should be enough.
She needs to start looking up business related books and videos and learn how to budget at the same time before she blows any profit on fancy machines and leaves herself with nothing to live on.
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Holy's sister looks like her but hotter
christ can you imagine if she just put on alittle fucking makeup?
That’s not even it. It’s her consistently taking pictures at bad angles and her weird expressions that makes her look strange. On her own she’s an average chick, not a troll but certainly no one I’d look twice at.
Her garbage personality ruins any potential she could have. That’s the real problem.
She says she doesn't like zap creative, of fucking course.
First it's "their quality has gotten down" (wat), then they are just too expensive - just order shit from China, yeah holly, tell that to your costumer base, shoot yourself in the foot.
Well, she can't kickstart her laser, since that's not what Kickstarter is here for funding projects, inventions…), that would need a gofundme.
But after everything she said so far, she will probably use the money for the laser instead of the book, so there's that. Either way she fucks herself now with her impatience - as if she wouldn't be more stressed out once the Kickstarter has launched. She NEEDS to deliver then.
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wooo, new pages
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love the "slop!", don't even know hat its supposed to mean
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she still uses the most unnatural hand poses for everything
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old milk, but I had to laugh so hard at that foot
>>778422>she needs to deliver them
i dunno aren't there a lot of kickstarters that just never deliver. from what i'm seeing i can imagine her telling herself that because of that there's totally like, wiggle room.
What even is the premise of the book kickstarter? buying paper to print it?
Pretty sure thats where we are headed. Pretty sure whoever the fuck this kid is,is being homophobic because
he is gay.
And that would be hella predictable, not unpredictable
Scrolling through posts about Holly on Tumblr, YouTube and deviantArt, it seems most of her fans still think that "she is so inspirational, since she is so passionate about her hobby" and honestly, I think that this echo chamber is her biggest problem currently - whily trying to milk money out of everything, she still thinks that she can treat art like a hobby most of the time and only do the things she likes about it. This is probably why she despises comissions, doesn't listen to her instructors at college and did an animation and has absolutely no discipline.
You can't call yourself a professional if all you ever do is making Kickstarters (and barely earning a dime), have no more than 2 cheap items on your online store and draw your OCs for months and months just for yourself. That's ok if you're a teenager earning their first bit of pocket money and taking their first steps in that direction, but not if you're basically finished your education (or dropped out) and have absolutely nothing to do the whole day. Doesn't matter if she pumps out 20 pages a day, a free-to-read comic is no source of income or even advertisement, the way she does it.
I predict that by the end of next summer she will either have to change something drastically, have a "regular" job or have her most depressed phase yet. As long as she can't take the art industry seriously for what it is (no matter if it's comics, illustration, design or something else) and doesn't adhere to its rules, she won't be successful and she knows it deep down.
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wtf is this ?
she literally took this from a picture she scanned in and didnt even reline it! all she did was turn up the black and white and contrast ! you can even see eracer marks where she tried to add highlights !
this is fucking lazy!
>im saying that like its news
watching this is an exercise in frustration lmao hearing her talk shit about doing commission work because she doesn't "enjoy it" is so idiotic. does she really do think people do art commissions for the fucking /enjoyment/ of it??
sure, some commissions can be fun, especially if you're already well-established and can pick and choose what you draw, but the majority of commission work is fairly boring and that's normal. it's work. people do it for the money/experience and because a job drawing is 'better' than a regular job.
the fact that she thinks spending your days cutting out hundreds of wood panels is more enjoyable than drawing says a lot about her as an artist tbh
she also think people asking her to use her dumb fucking laser thing is going to make her money!
Also I love how she is throwing away her pins and prints! MAYBE THEY DIDNT SELL CUZ NOONE KNOWS YOUR CHARACTERS AND YOU PICK THE OLDEST SHITTY ANIME TO MAKE FAN ART OF! DRAW WHAT ANIME IS "IN" and "NOW" AND "TRENDING" AND YOULL MAKE MONEY!ITS NOT THAT HARD!
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page 6 of the second volume, def one of the most awkward ones
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God damn it Keith.
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This is just riddled with grammatical errors
She won't though. She'll keep pushing back the ship dates forever and ever like all scammy kickstarters do. She's probably looked at how other kickstarters have just never delivered in years and thought that's how she was going to do it.
She's incredibly stupid and shortsighted, I have no idea how she manages to keep shooting herself in the foot. >>778531
Seriously, commission work can feel soul killing sometimes, but it really is good practice and good money if you're popular and capable of working quick. Holly's just mad because she has to draw characters that aren't her gay animu boys. She has zero discipline. I don't know what she expected to do with her art degree because if you don't have the discipline to do client work then you're stuck teaching.
are we surprised nope
its holly for ya .
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this guy is so salty, it's beautiful
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who tf is this creeper in the chat lmao
I keep trying to pin down what category she falls in when it comes to online artists but, she fails at everyone.
She's not like Sinix or Johannes Helgeson where she's in the industry with a steady job and knows advanced art techniques and gives helpful advice. She's not like Baylee where even if her art isn't the best she can go to conventions on the regular and actually make a profit because she has no idea what to spend money on and how to budget. She's not like Doxy, Sakimi, or Slugbox where she draws any kind of mass audience appealing porn and gives up all dignity to keep herself afloat with Patreon. She's not Jazza,Draw wiff waffles, kasey golden, lavender towne, lemia,emily artful, etc. where regardless of art quality they have a following because of their personalities they can make ad revenue because she shut down her main channel and now it's going to be hard for her to get monetization again.
She's just in this weird limbo now where at one point she might have fit in the category with jazza, lemia, etc. if she didn't always get into drama and abandon her old channel. Now it looks like she's trying to go the Jellie Bee route and be a manufacturer and artist without an idea of what he actual hell she's doing. I can't wait for her to try this and inevitably fail because she can't stick to one thing and try to grow it slowly and not rage quit when she doesn't see profit/results right away.
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so damien is now just her poorly-drawn MCR fanart, right? simon's glasses got better but his hair got so much worse>>778426
i really can't believe she had the audacity to publish this, why didn't she just reframe this so she didnt have to draw that foot instead of swinging and fucking missing? it also distracts from the ridiculous angry brows his dumb bangs give him from the thumbnail
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Just looked at her kickstarter and she really just spoils the ending of the comic on the damn cover huh
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This is the launch party guys…
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The stupidity of these people giving her money I s2g. If this keeps up, how much do you want to bet she’ll get her precious laser cutter.
I hope these people are prepared to either never receive their rewards or get shoddily made books she slaps together at home.
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Is this supposed to be Damien on the right? Is this how she’s redrawing him in the older pages? It barely looks anything like him IMO. If it’s not then damn the same face syndrome is even worse than I thought.
Also damn, so much so fast for that Kickstarter, I almost feel sorry for her fans. Almost.
with the tasteless heavy puke on pastel color choices.
I hope that either
A) her Kickstarter comes to a grinding halt and fails after this first boost of money, or,
B) it succeeds and she magically gets her damn laser cutter, then suddenly
"oops sorry my dudes this comic sure is taking longer than expected. You'll have to wait for my current obsession with the laser cutter to be over first, grandmas, fuck you, got mine."
Always thinking up ways to scheme and scam folk. Such a self serving, disingenuous bitch and anyone who supports her is a sucker.
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Seriously… I can’t believe how stupid this is. It’s nearly funded in a day.
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The project is basically entirely funded and it's only been a few hours
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aaaand it's done!
Ahh, ok. I thought I read something involving Baylee giving Holly the cold shoulder about something. I already knew about the Holly side of it, which is kind of hilarious in a petty way.
/Sage for my autism
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May cannot come soon enough.
Tunfoil; Holly probably thinks that she can nab the money, buy the laser cutter and then use the money she thinks she's going to make with the laser cutter, to order the print run of the Kickstarter and have the orders out by May.
Which is pretty disingenuous, but not surprising considering how untrustworthy she is with other people's money. Money she didn't ever earn.>>778763
I agree, she's just been riding off her popularity, but I think if she doesn't drum up interest she'll dry up into a husk soon after the laser cutter/Kickstarter drama.
Or it'll propel her into more followers who will stan her. Either way she's a train wreck who just wants as much money for as little possible effort.
Personally I think she's hoodwinked people for long enough. The buck has to stop somewhere, even if she is milky. But I guess you never know.
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This guy is such a weird fucker
God damn it Keith.
Unrelated, but have any of you bothered to listen to her commission livestreams? Let's just say that she still has a problem with oversharing, and she's apparently trying online dating. So much for "having to quit livestreaming because people are mean :(("
If she uses the money for anything other than the printing she is losing all crediblity and shows how completely uninterested she is in her projects.
Kickstarter is no gofundme, the money is ONLY for funding certain projects. If she wants some cash so bad she should either get a job (because uploading ugly comics on Tapas is no job) or get it into her thick skull that even good artists cater to their audience by doing loads of comissions and regularily update their Patreon. I will be spitting mad if she magically has a laser cutter by the end of Mai.
what? The money is not hers to use how she sees fit, it's for. The. Project. Period.
As if moving out should be her priority, she nevery leaves her room anyways, has no regular income and is probably too lazy to look after a whole home of her own (just look at her room, it's a hot mess and we all know it).
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have i got the wrong end of the stick or is she scamming already by saying in the kickstarter rewards "a skectch inside the cover of the book" which someone would take to mean a hand drawn sketch on the inside cover, and she's actually printing out fucking digital graphics and coloring in the background (or, ruining them by using a kids marker going over itself) and is going to stick that in? would you be satisfied with this shit if you thought you were getting an artists sketch?
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funny, it's like a only 87 people who want this- it seems like few people and yet that's enough. though it would be
32+65*40=$3806 if someone wasn't throwing in an extra 700.
4457/87=an average of 51 fucking dollars who are these people
She knew to ask for that much betting on the extra money to buy her dumb shit she's obsessed with right now. And she still has 25 days left.
I wanna know where all that extra money is going to go. After KS and print run money. I'm secretly hoping she makes more stretch goals, or gets to that wooden charm one she's harping on about and I hope she's the one who makes them lmao,i wasnt sure if I missed whether she was going to make them or have them made. I just want her to overpromise and severely underdeliver like always.
not a kids marker, it's a cheapo Micheal's brand alchohol marker, it's just drying out so the ink doesn't blend correctly.
Still looks like shit.
I don't care how she does them (I'm pretty sure they are handdrawn, clean lines or not) but hell, those are some lame-ass uninspired sketches. Simon and Pumba are literally just awkwardly standing there with facial expressions like they just farted and hope the reader doesn't notice. But at least it fits the new covers.
There is so little love in anything she does, it honestly hurts watching her do her "art" sometimes.
She just doesn't wanna bother to wait for the books to come to do sketches on the inside cover so she's just shitting those cheap ass sketches out now, uninspired as they are, she can mentally check it off her list of "work" she's done.
Like, if she really cared she'd at least use better materials but she obviously wants it all over with. This is is embarrassing to watch.
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She wants a less versatile more expensive machine to do a job that a machine she already has, can do.
I don't even know what kind of cricut she has, but she could easily just upgrade to the maker and make tons of shit, wooden stuff and vinyl stickers included. And it'd still be way less and at least if something broke (because she'll rush and use it wrong and it WILL break) she'd be able to get it fixed more easily
All that fuss about a laser cutter and this is the shit she wants to make. "saving" for a laser cutter my ass. Just tell the truth and say that KS money is going towards it.
The design is so complex and clunky. She didn't even bother to try to make her characters cute, easy to cut designs.
And correct me if I'm wrong but aren't wooden charms less popular anyway because they're more prone to snapping in half? These are ugly and they're going to be flimsy.
Coming from someone who sells at conventions I can tell you that wooden charms are a lot less popular not only because like you said, they're weak. But, people like acrylic charms because they're colored. This idea will work well for simple geometric patterns or things like flower and plant designs because the wood aesthetic fits nicely with them but, with characters people prefer something with color which is why acrylic charms, enamel pins, buttons, etc. are much more popular. So if someone were to order these wooden charms from her, they would probably sell them at a con once and realize they don't sell well and never sell them again.
I can only see those artists that almost exclusively draw plants and flowers like Jenny Journals being even remotely able to pull this wooden aesthetic off. Not to mention (and not to sound like a bitch insulting pre-teens) but, people that buy charms at conventions are mostly pre-teens to early teens that aren't gonna be into that wood look and are gonna opt for something colorful. Hell I'm in my 20's and even I don't like the wood look.
She really needs to sit back and think about how high of demand there's gonna be for these wooden turds. (Hint: Barely any)
Thanks for the reply, I figured this was the case since I don't see a whole lot of people selling wooden charms.
Buying a machine to produce things is a long-term investment, but Holly doesn't seem to understand what that means. She just wants to eat the whole cake and not have to worry about consequences until she hits a snag.
The moment something doesn't work out for her, she starts bitching about how it's broken or it's somehow the machine's fault. She's going to be backed up on orders and those same people are gonna be stanning her because 'guys look how much she's suffering and working so hard she's only one person'
One person is capable of making a lot of dumbass choices. And she always chooses the most difficult way to box herself in to weave her little sob story after. No sympathy for her, or her ugly little charms.
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here you go - she is doing them on the computer.
It's unnecessary to calculate her earnings in any way, shape or form, she won't get much either way. She drew the whole comic for free. The Kickstarter money will be used for printing and later on, the laser cutter. She won't sell many books outside of the Kickstarter and her hype regarding the cutter will die down within the next few month, at the very latest once she realizes there is no demand for wooden charms.
Either way, she will be broke again pretty soon.
Yeah, money runs through her fingers like sand, after this she's probably gonna try to get her gears turning on what next compulsive money making scheme she can attempt to pull off next. We all know that cutter is going to collect dust after this campaign.
She can't seem to make up her mind on whether she wants to be a manufacturer or an artist. She's not patient enough to be decent at either.
Jesus Christ and that’s the minimum 4 hours, it’d probably take longer due to how inefficient she is, or maybe not because of how low quality it is. Both possibilities suck. 1510 hours, at 40 a week that’s 37 weeks. And we all know she doesn’t put in 40 hours a week. 37 weeks! A whole year (at least) of her life! Not just for the $5,000 she’d earn, but also for the time spent. Who would do this to themselves? It’d be far more profitable to print what she has, and then start a new and better comic based off what she learned from here. Who would devote this many years of their lives to a half baked idea from high school? Your first isn’t your best. Im interested to see how long it takes for her to actually redraw this whole thing. My $50/sketch calculation was way off.
Why is she redrawing this? Her ego? Or her over attachment to the idea?
Watching her finances stresses me the fuck out. >canceling the Kickstarter 2 weeks early >”I’d be on the same schedule anyway for the comic”
Then why cancel it early?! Just let it run it’s course so more people can discover it?!>buying 2 pads of Bristol which are expensive af
JUST CUT IT and drawing inside the cover would’ve saved you so much!>buying Artist’s loft markets on impulse that are low quality and “may not last as long” because she can’t wait to order copics to make sketches that are not even due until the entire books 1 and 2 are finished and published. >goes to Ross for bras, comes back with bras + 2 crop tops + jeans + jacket
$60 is still a lot considering if that $5,000 is paying for a portion of your living expenses
The worst of all may be:>”I ordered these woods for the laser cutter but they’re too textured so I think I’m going to have to buy a belt sander”
Also>jewelry box of things for the laser cutter >earring hooks
OH NO NO NO.
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she also had a ig story considering buying hamilton tickets>>780843
i love how she uses her own face as a reference thinking it won't be noticeable
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But why tho
I honestly have no idea why her followers aren't turned off by her excessive and wasteful spending, it honestly makes me sick to think about how she's wasting so much god damn money on useless shit
I don't think that's a tinfoil, I think that's just facts.
She's got a spending addiction. And she'll get her fix from the next bunch of people to be suckered in by her next money making scheme while she skirts by doing the bare minimum.
no offense but u dumb, lol, she was pretending to start anew, why would she advertise>>781040
are you fucking KIDDING me, this is fucking ridiculous, she should just take it and run, if(when) she fucks this up it will be truly spectacular
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"BIIIITCH loook! We got the second stretch goal! OH my god, I don't even know what to DO anymore, bitch what else!? What other stretch goals?"
She has zero incentive to learn. She lives with her mom so she doesn't have any real consequences for wasting money - she still has a roof over her head at the end of the day even if her wallet is empty. She can splurge and resell to her hearts content because she has 0 bills to worry about.
I have to laugh that she thinks she's going to be able to move out anytime soon - not just because she has no stable income, but because she has 0 sense of responsibility. She has so much growing up to do.
She's pretty delusional in that she thinks she's done all the growing up she could possibly do and thinks she knows better.
I just want to see how long she thinks she can scam people.
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Jesus christ, hope she got permission to air her sisters dirty laundry, it's good that she wants to help, but still… Just seems a little disrespectful. It's probably petty, but that cat clock necklace design looks like the worst thing ever to me.
I have the limited edition kickstarter version of the first volume. She was still using brush pens when she made it. By the end of the book, the lines are thinner because she switched to digital.
There are also more backgrounds in the beginning, but she got lazy and relied more on white voids, which is a shame. Her comic would be more tolerable visually if she continued to make backgrounds, but nope, just shitty potato heads, gaping mouths, and broken feet/ankles.
Also, Simon looks completely different by the end–less like a kid and more like a big chin uwu yaoi boy. And Damien started off being like two feet tall and looking like a tubby toddler. It's jarring how different they look, and this is all before the jump forward in time to when Simon grows his hair out. If this were a series of volumes spanning over years, like say Berserk, I could understand the change in style, but for it to change so drastically in one book , it's Not Good™.
It's very odd (and such a waste of time) that she's planning on redrawing the first volume when people already own physical copies of it. Now, I basically have an obsolete copy. She should just finish Purgatory vol. 2 and be done with it.
I should also add, though I only remember a little bit, that I think she did redo the beginning of vol. 1 already, so this would technically be her 3rd time redoing it, not including the original version of Purgatory (the one she disses even though general consensus agrees it was way better than what she's making now.)
I do cons too and I'm slamming my head against the table. First of all we know how well SanJapan went the fist time for her so if she gets accepted this year I'm eager to see how much money she looses this time. Secondly, Why the hell do you specifically want a heart shaped mould for your button maker? I got my 1 1/14 inch one off Ebay with 1000 button parts included for only $120. She's trying so hard to be that artist with the best equipment and she's just shitting money out.
Say what you want about Baylee Jae but, atleast she's not dumb enough to do frivolous spending like this. She bought her Cricuit cutter on a whim but, unlike Holly she knew she frequents conventions enough to have it pay for itself in no time. She still uses the same round button maker she always has. She hasn't bought a fucking laser cutter, or book binder, or some other thing you could easily outsource.
Holly might have her online store but, she doesn't do the work load needed to get the things she's wanting to buy ie. Convetions etc. Even alot of people that go to conventions don't make their own product. I can get it if she wants to be a manufacturer but, shes diving way to deep to start out with.
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on scale of poor-fucked
how financially fucked is Holly
She's going to do worse this year if she gets into San-Japan, considering she said she wasn't going to be producing fan art, or at least, not as much fan art.
I wonder if that's her plan. Just wait til san-japan rolls around every year to get a shot at a table so she can have an excuse to spend more money, because that's all this really is.
After last year's thing with her fugly fujo-smut on full display, I hope that they remember her and deny her a spot this time around. If they somehow let her table again, I wonder if she'll be dragging Michie with her again.
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It's this one: >>>/snow/550611
(fairly close to the top)
If she's not doing fanart she might as well kiss any income goodbye. The main income you get from conventions is selling art through fanart. If she's doing generic things like a cat and dog, succulents, witch, etc. and putting them on stickers you can also make money from those but, if she's just planning on slapping her Oc's faces on something NO ONE is going to buy that shit. I know she wants to rebel against the norm and make money off shit that she creates but, you would have to have such a huge following that you could put anything out there and people would buy it.
She's just going to have to bite the bullet and sell fanart if she wants to see an actual profit.
THANK YOU anon! The real deal is even more hilarious than the description sounded.
Also I think long-haired Damien (?) looks a bit better in her updated style. None of that weird hairspray wig defying gravity bullshit. Still looks very anime bit has some weight to it. He looks more sympathetic on the first sketch, left to right. The rest looks bland and lifeless.
Fixes simons hair.
Gives Damien a mullet.
I seem to recall a video in which she talks about the importance of character sheets (she was drawing a character sheet for Hershel in the video, I remember that much). This seems to be a case of her, once again, not practicing what she preaches, 'cause she sure as hell isn't trying to stay on model now.
Imagine initially seeing these current sketches of Damien and Simon, and then checking out her comic for the first time to find that they look completely different. It's like a vague form of false advertising (eh, but she plans on redrawing the old shit so whatever).
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Has anyone read the new purgatory pages? I didn't see them posted yet https://tapas.io/episode/1338356
The storytelling gets even lazier as Holly rushes to end this comic once and for all. She could have made the drawings more dramatic or moving but of course not.
Attarah's/Hitler's son is not fazed at all by Simon and Damian being gay? She's trying to make us believe this religious cult is so homophobic but not a single character shown has behaved like being gay is a sin or been uncomfortable or surprised by Simon and Damian's relationship.>>782020
She's coping with stress by looking at more shit she wants to buy (furniture for her future art room now), she's in no position to help others.
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Apart from the lazy art, this is definately NOT how you use screentones - they look positively atrocious
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The flow of her panels has reached a new level of shit - can't relate to a single emotion of any character and at this point I don't even know if you read her stuff from left to right or the other way around
I'm so confused. Why would Attarah throw his son out ? Why would no one in this small community where everyone knows (and judges) one another take notice ? Why is he cool with them being gay and ready to just pack up and leave when he seemed super indoctrinated ?
She wants to wrap this up as quickly as she can but she's drawing things out instead. She could have had a montage of their preparations to leave in just a few pages, then have something go wrong when they escape (Attarah trying to stop them, most likely, so that Simon can resolve his bullshit Stockholm Syndrome by having to fight him to protect his dad and Damien) then have her epilogue. It'd be abrupt but better than introducing new developments that make no sense.
"I've been kicked out for unexplained reasons."
Yeah, Holly, you continue on making tutorial videos about story writing and such…
could you imagine
"Holly the baby needs food why are you buying industrial art supplies!?"
Holly:"ME NEED ART SUPPLY , NEED TO DRAW GAY ART!FINISH COMIC NOONE READ!"
50k debt isn't that bad here in general for school, but… you usually get, y'know, a degree or employable skills out of it.
Has she mentioned if she had public or private loans before?
My fuckin sides.
But in all seriousness though, I highly doubt she's going to be providing for her sister and niece. In fact I think it'll be the other way around, because she has no stable income. She probably has to pay for one or two things and is just exaggerating about how she's paying for everything.
Yeah except I call bs on that. She’s repeatedly changed version throughout the years, contradicting versions.
She only pays for her food, then she pays for everybody’s groceries, then she pays bills and food, then she pays rent bill and food, one time she stated to pay for the whole house. Best bet is she offers to help with some expenses, but I doubt it since she’s ALWAYS spending money on useless stuff. And honestly I don’t think that the same mother who accepts the jobless brother every time asking nothing expects holly to pay the full rent. Come on.
She’s always lying. Like when she said “well YouTube isn’t my job anyway”, so WHAT is? Is she making believe people she’s a professional comic artist? Where does she think the sweet kickstarter money comes from? It’s not for her ability as comic artist but from her YouTube career as a joke and entertainer.
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Found the book one amazon listing when I went to read the comic and this review really does speak for itself.
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Even if you love Holly’s YouTube stuff this is obviously a problem
who in their right mind picky swears like that my GOD.
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Why is she planning so many AUs for PP if the comic itself is barely 10 pages long…
And good try establishing Hershel as a ladies man AFTER releasing some gay af doujinshi about him, sigh
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This one, looks like a former haydur. I'm probably just being mean, but she definitely gives off some obsessive vibes.
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New Purgatory pages are up, fam!
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Welcome to the present time, going through the threads is definitely a ride.
Recent IG update(s), is the tape to aid with some carpal tunnel realness or? Genuinely confused.
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birds of a bad art feather flock together.. and talk about envelopes
sage for boring
the hand and the leg at the back beg to differ…
not to mention the fact that it's painfully obvious she draws flowers without any kind of reference. It's not her shittiest work, but still veeery far from professional level, "style" or not.
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Is it natural for a shirt to do this?
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LASER CUTTER MORE IMPORTANT,
mUST MAKE MERCH.
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Did she… put in BRown on purpose???
Jesus. How could she laugh at that? If she really loves her own cats as she claims she'd feel some goddamn empathy for her sister.
She really cares only for herself. It's like when her father died and she was so cavalier about it. The only emotion she expressed over that was anger at having to pay for his funeral. I get that they weren't close but any non-sociopath would express that in an appropriate way…
>'dark edgy versions of characters'
No one gives a shit about edgy versions of your OCs for your barely existent comic, Holls.
>still harping on waste, wasting money on paper tape for her 'laser business' that hasn't taken off yet because "it'll be cool!"
>my wrist hurts! But I'mma keep drawing.
Stop drawing, get a proper wrist brace and fucking let your wrist heal.
stop fucking showcasing how 'hard you work' and glorifying your pain.
They probably have a pre-applicant list that they can easily pull names from. I can't remember if it was a lottery system though or what. But if Michie is going to come, too, then that means they probably have a spot carved out for them from the previous year.
So if it is a lottery, then no, they don't have any curation/jury or standards.
Which is a shame, because someone much better could've had those spots instead.
Oh well. I kinda wanted her to not get a spot but now I can't wait for the inevitable milk. splurging and then not making a profit pattern.
not going to recoup the cost of that laser cutter going to san japan assuming michie is coming, and holly end up footing the bill on at least a part of michie's travel cost like last time, and assuming she won't be making any fan art like she said.
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According to their site, it is a lottery system.
I love how she thinks her sister being “court married” isn’t a real marriage because they didn’t have a reception. Like… is she for real? Get out of the house for once Holly jfc
I’m still disturbed how funny she thinks it is that the cat died. Yikes.
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But the exact same
typo from last year, though?
I mean it's holly we're talking about so that may not be a surprise. But maybe, just MAYBE someone in charge of the list of artists has lurked here… Who knows how in the hell that happened.
But it's also very possible she had a chance to reapply during the con, some cons do that. And the spelling is just what they have on file now.
The entirety of lolcow would be dead of we all took rounds in taking a shot whenever Holly writes "idk" in her descriptions.
Hershey as always looking stiff as fuck, ash standing boringly with a confusing reflection under her, and the cherry of the cake, character we never see in the official goddamn comic since Holly hasn't introduced him yet in a story that's developing at a snail's pace.
Like, is there something new on PP or is she really directing all of her efforts to finish Purgatory? Last time I saw PP on this thread, it was about Hershey being upset that ash was only using him for money.
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Some new pages
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Those hands, ugh
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Their expressions are all over the place, too
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And something about the panelling here really puts me off
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Its been said in previous threads but she's trying to emulate Leyendeckers distinct sharp clothing folds, she's cited him as art inspiration, but she just doesn't know where to place shit.
Pair that with some janky ass anatomy, shading, gesture etc. and you got geometric objects affixed to clothing fabric.
Shit just don't compute.
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Uhhh?? So apperently this guy is suppose to inspire Hershel. It makes a lot of sense why Hershel doesn’t look Hispanic despite Holly stating often that he is. Shame she did this guy injustice.
I don't think it's the kind of "laughing so she doesn't cry" or "dealing with grief by laughing about it", the way she told that story totally sounds like she just found it funny that the cat killed itself.
I do feel really bad for her pets now… fish she didn't care for, dog she wants to die already, two cats she feeds with "human food" cause YOLO… geez
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She did the art meme thing thats has been going around insta. She didn’t even take a good screenshot hence why there’s the double send message text.
She thinks highly of herself considering her skills…
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Like come on. This is not good inking. And this is coming from someone who is horrible at inking too, but its just not her strong suit.
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Some adorable highlights here
>@2:56:20 - her cousin would throw beanbags at cats and then jump on the beanbag to the point of eyes popping out
>@2:58:20 - She has the feeling to squeeze cats to death
>@3:03:37 - Her friend's autistic sister microwave a cat
>@3:06:48 - Gets a kid in elementary school to drink cum out of a used condom that they found on the side of the street (not related to cats but still fucked up)
She just surrounds herself with fucking hillbillies doing fucked up stuff to animals
Yuck! Glad I stopped at the dead cat and didn't go on watching… how ANYONE could EVER think that it's a good idea to tell such fucked up stories on a stream the internet will never forget it beyond me.
This is going way beyond the "I will tell this so the kids think I'm cool" kinda private stories, too, her fans must be delusional to like this crap.
I dislike how she turns her character's hair into different kind of ugly
Also learn to use a gelly roll to correct your mistakes Holly
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Words cannot explain how unappealing this is to me.
Saged for old milk, but I just had to share some timestamps of Holly being peak not like other girls
and also an expert on men because it's both sad and hilarious:https://youtu.be/hkWZA4n1Nwc?t=6015https://youtu.be/hkWZA4n1Nwc?t=5825
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So… the caption makes it all worse. Holly stop being such a fatass jfc
God, what a heifer. What's wild is that she seems aware that her atrocious personality is the reason that she can't get along with other women, yet chooses to go for the "I'm not like other girls, they're all vapid bitches" narrative anyway.
I can't get over the fact that she calls herself bisexual when she does nothing but worship men and talk about how much she hates drawing women, can't relate to female characters, and doesn't like other women in general.
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Well, on the plus side: "They're all about getting dick, and I don't relate to that" is stupid enough to be iconic.
Does she have some kind of secret formula for drawing ugly cats? I don't understand how they can look so terrible all the time.
"They're all about getting dick, and I don't relate to that"
Don't worry Holly, we figured out after seeing the anatomy in Seize that you don't "get" dick even conceptually.>>785259
Yep. Holly saying things like that and then turning around and lecturing other artists about the fundamentals requires a lack of self-awareness that is almost inspiring.
>>785286>"when you advertise something for comics, I thought it would really do something special"
I don't know why I find this so funny. I mean I get it, you expect art supplies to magically make you good, but a lot of the time it's you and your own abilities. I used cheap ass brushes to ink with fountain pen ink, and honestly it works pretty well.
Though I will vouch for that damn black ink. Tonnes of my favourite comic artists use it (Daniel Warren Johnson, for one) and it really is some good ass ink. But yeah seriously it's really frustrating when she flip flops between like 'i'm full digital now!' and 'I'm all traditional now!!' like binch you don't have to pick either or jesus christ.
so many of her videos show how much of a try-hard she is - from her tutorials to her supply tests, she tries to sound so knowledgable, while drawing with mediocre skills, no idea on how most things work (line-weight is a thing, Holly) and, of course, never without bashing either her fans, her pets or herself. There is nothing positive or educational about her, the only reason she has a huge (young) following is because her fans KNOW they can surpass her eventually, shich is what draws them to her in the first place. It's all one big lump of negative feelings, really.
I sometimes wonder if Holly is dyslexic. She makes an inordinate number of misspellings/mispronunciations, like calling the Cocoiro pen "Cococoricho" in this video. Purgatory has a ton of obvious typos as well, which I just attributed to her general sloppiness. >>785411
she's such an idiot and impulsive af, holy crap
when she mentioned that the cocoiro ink wasn't waterproof, i went 'hm, that's weird, usually jetpens is good about giving you that sort of product info' and lo and behold, they do!
>>This is one felt tip brush pen refill for the Kuretake Zig Letter Pen Cocoiro pen bodies listed under Compatible Products. The ink is water-based and water-soluble.
if only holly knew how to read, this is a mistake that could have been avoided, how sad /sarcasm
as a matter of fact, jetpens has a function where you can compare pens by color, cost, if they're waterproof,etc. She just didn't look hard enough and decided to just throw money around.
She can't keep throwing her money at the 'I can't draw' problem. now she's got 5-6 more pens that'll just sit there as unused clutter in her room.
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Hah is this new? Wonder who got this banner made?
Umm hate to break it to you anon… But unless you or holly are like 5 feet tall or under what you said doesnt make any sense… If you're not losing weight working out and eating less than 1300 cals then you're not counting right because that is too low for weight training and muscle growth which would just make you lose weight.
Even if she's not doing anything all day she's still burning more than 1000 cals, thats why you check your bmr. Even someone who's 4ft 5 and 70 pounds still has a bmr of about 1100 calories a day, so unless you're an anachan I don't see why you would think she would gain weight doing nothing and eating over 1000 cals since she's much taller and weighs more than that
she really has no idea how to get better and thinks newer and and more expensive supplies will do the trick for her. Her art has completely stagnated (at least it didn't get notably better within the last few years DESPITE her drawing all day) and she bought and bought and bought, anything from pens to tablets.
Holls….it doesn't work that way, just realize it.
That copic on solid black is just a hot mess. And how does someone go to art high school, art college, and make art full time without owning more than one gray marker?
Also that psycho babble about the paper scaling was hilarious, but her incompetence scares me sometimes
With as much as she likes bitching about things and laughing at other people to random strangers on the internet she doesn't know, she'd be right at home here. Ironic.
Sorry Farmers, how can you live with yourselves knowing that Holly Brown thinks you're a bunch of friendless twelve-year-olds?
Lol, Holly talks at least as much shit as anyone here. She's only mad because she's the subject.
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New Icon, how do we feel?
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It’s this one actually* my bad
We're all actually thirteen
so fuck you Holly /s
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i made it sometime back when the whole bnha zine was still going on, it was added to the site a while ago
huh, i made the original edit. i still have that fucking font on my computer lmao I love y'all
I'm glad the holly thread is finally updating as she couldn't resist more scammin' and hiding from the concept of vanishing points
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New to this thread, I mostly post in OT, but anyone looked at the new Purgatory pages? It's supposed to be Simon's big reveal and it's about as good as the rest of her shit.
Here's one of my favorite parts, aside from the tonal whiplash
Everything in this comic exists for maximum "poor woobie uwu" effect. This last crop of pages really drives it home. This character goes from being a drunken cult-raised dirtbag to a sensitive, supportive shoulder (uwu) for Simon to cry on (uwu) within a matter of pages. Because who needs characterization, right?
Holly really squandered the cult setting by making the supporting characters too tolerant and accepting of Simon and Damian. If Simon's father had disowned after discovering his son's relationship, that would create tension and conflict. If Hitler's son had reacted in denial or anger to this revelation, that would be interesting. Purgatory just limps along with no tension and no point.
I really wish she would take chances with her writing. There's no reason for this situation to work out how it does.
Hitler's son would probably be in disbelief, not immediately going "you've got to tell your boyfriend right away"
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I have a vague understanding of what this comic is about (I only occasional skim through whatever was posted here and quit reading the thread around the bnha zine dramu)… Is the white haired one so angsty? Is he the one that was raped or was it his boyfriend? Or were they both raped?? I thought that guy who's being nice to him was supposed to be the bully who hates le gays or just them. 'Hitler' or whoever the fuck the atta-something is, aside from kicking his son outta the house (why did he do that?) what exactly did he do that his son hates him? Why is the cult bad? Is this like some doomsday cult that sacrifices babies or forces everyone to 'disconnect' ala scientology, or what? What the fuck does these people believe in aside from hating homos? And wtf is up with the white haired guys mom? sage for autistic questions about holly's fujo comic.
The white haired kid is the one being raped by the Hitler guy. The dude he tells in the pages just posted is Hitler guys' son, not to be confused with same face black haired kid love interest Damien. We're supposed to believe that this is a society so deeply entrenched in religious dogma that they sacrifice people and are forced to worship. The religion is never expanded upon other than being hinted as vaguely judeo christain so I guess that's why gays can't exist or they are sacrificed? Anyway the entire thing is so poorly written that nothing happens for 100 pages including any sort of world building. Just the two kids talking and being sad. They are suddenly together with no actual content involving them getting together just they start kissing inexclibly and are secret boyfriends. Meanwhile the presumebly straight priest that looks like Hitler starts raping Simon uke boy puss because he looks just like his mother.
All and all very basic shitty straight fujo writing. Sinful uwu soft boi is raped and is ashamed of his sin. Vaguely has feelings for Hitler? Who knows.
Honestly betting on Hitler's son being gay but "clueless"
holy fuck… this is some bargain bin writing right here. I'll do you one better and bet either a shitty love triangle forms between damien and hitler guy's son, then he finds another love interest or after he's filled his useful kindly fucks off from the story
>story about cult>is so detached from the story, you could remove it all together and literally nothing would change.
I don't understand why she couldn't have just spent 5 minutes reading about someone's experience living inside of a cult and then copy-pasted it with her oc's, all while renaming everything with shit she either got from a baby naming site or random fantasy name generator.
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I'm sorry but this page gives off loss.jpg vibes. It just feels like the same energy.
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I saw that page from the front page and was confused for exactly this reason
Holly your characters are doing that thing where they look EXACTLY THE SAME again
you can't have people POOFING in and out of existence jfc one frame he's above them and the literal next frame he's in front of them
>comic artists don't make a lot of comic videos and people who don't make comics, make comic videos. I don't understand that logic.
Probably because a lot of comic creators don't have time to make rambling videos as often as you do, holls. Many have other jobs and lives.
>my point is, people who do make comics don't use microns, and it makes me feel like I'm a fake comic artist for not using annoying scratchy dip pens.
Like. I know she's being facetious here, but on a certain level that's how she feels when she buys all that junk she thinks will make her better; she itemized her art.
I really hate those fucking cats btw. They look like fucking loaves. It's the same pose over and over again and they're in the stupidest places. At least with kasey's ants there's a reason they'd be there or it's like a little world she makes. Holly just plops them in there.
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Technically not all from that page, and with about zero effort put it, but:
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That's insulting Tim Buckley, at least the guy took in criticism and improved on his art.
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All I ask of Holly is to draw Hershel actually beefy just once. Just fucking google "strong man", ya dingus.
Or just change Hershel's design to look like OneyNG's Beef Boy. I would be fine with that. I would prefer it, really.
fujos want their gay OC to look like a 19 year old who just discovered the gym
Oh wait no I meant straight man (who will end up being bi but only attracted to women like self-insert Holly character)
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are the hands 2x the normal size because there's lots of detail in hands and it's hard to draw small? if you do digital art you can zoom in right? even just get the fuckin warp and squosh em down afterward. i feel like intimidated by those clubs. that rockclimber sausage finger guy has nothing on these crushers
I think that says "keds" not kids.
I'm honestly surprised she put "drama" under her dislikes, I was under the impression she thrived on it.
The hands actually are the right size but everything else is off so the hands look awkward.
Also, despite owning like a 100 cats, Holly has no idea how to draw one. Like how hard would it be for her to to just do some figure studies of her cats?
Hah, I know it's a hard read because it's a fuckin square and it could be anything but that's her screen tablet I'm fairly sure.
She's not as good at drawing items as she thinks she is, but she is better at that, than drawing organic, living beings.
Because she draws her Characters like they were items. So they all look stiff.
Yeah it does say Keds which is a brand (keds.com). I know of it from when I was super little and my family would get me these probably due to the price and how kids' feet keep growing.
Real blast-from-the-past reading that name there. Haven't heard it in at least 20 years afaik.
But yeah the font/size in that pic makes it a bit hard to read.
Also the drawing really looks like the self-insert girl from PP.
But yeah the "drawing clothing folds and hair" thing as well as "hates fake bitches" are blissfully self-unaware.
Holly isn't really that fat tbh. In a stream she said she's a size 8. She's also relatively tall. It's just her face and the way she constantly talks about how fat she is that gives everyone the impression that she's enormous but she's not.>>787866
Because she's perpetually unhappy with her art and thinks switching and swearing by certain mediums every couple of months will magically make her a better artist.
>>787796>likes: diet coke>dislikes: depression
Fun fact people, the artificial sweeteners used in diet coke (and other diet soda in general) have been proven to severely impair one's ability to produce and metabolize serotonin and can cause depression because of it.
Holly drinks unholy quantities of diet coke and other soda every day. Gee, I sure wonder how that may affect her.
Holly socially isolates herself, is surrounded by a toxic
family dynamic, and has unresolved issues that she alludes to but never fixes.
Honestly, even if artificial sweeteners where a consispiracy level depressant, Holly being depressed because of all this other shit in her lif makes complete sense.