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Most well known for her cal-arts rant, where she bitches about how hard it is to get in while claiming to have gotten in. Also known for giving shitty advice to impressionable beginners.https://www.youtube.com/user/hollyistotallycoolhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgeEynuhGskPjgNR5DjbZmwhttps://www.instagram.com/h.c.brown/https://twitter.com/HCBrownart
Mirror of aforementioned Cal-Arts rant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvnD-9XOs5k
>21 year old "freelancer" (lives at home with her mother and runs an online shop selling ugly art)>Salty Youtube fujoshi artist that claims that her art is superior because she went to art school>Constantly preaches that art takes hard work, claims to always practice and study but her art hasn't improved in over two years>Whines about being a starving artist with no money, yet has enough money to buy a new Mac computer and a Cintiq tablet within the same week, then sold said cintiq because she got sponsored for her shitty shitty art>When faced with genuine criticism, she replies with "it's my style hurrr get over it!!">Whines about nobody buying from her online store, but when people do, she whines about having to package and ship off her items >Pandering to the Musicals crowd to get more Youtube $$$>Claims to be the only non tumblrina artist and is a textbook tumblr fujo>Generally insufferable and shitty person
In the previous thread:>Animating without knowing the fucking basics and continuously shitting on well established pros (Disney, Pixar, Egoraptor, Butch Hartman)>Holly contradicts her own shitty art opinions by not following through with them>Starts her own MHA/BNHA zine after being rejected from an FMA zine with over 100 contributors. Profits being split 100 ways.>Constantly making new projects when she hasn't even finished one of them yet>Makes fun of styles that have more life than anything she's very produced>Plans to table at SanJapan this fall (farmers, report back)
Ikr? All of the styles she showcased were better than her own, and I think that's super telling about how she views her own work. Honestly, the fact that she also thinks her style is comparable to the likes of FMA and NGE shows that there's some sort of delusion or blindness going on that can't be healthy for her artwork.
I think Holly needs to do one of those art vacations where you just don't draw for a while, like a week or month or so, in order to get a fresh look at how hideous her work has become over the years.
holly is literally the first person i think of when i read Bad Tumblr Art lmao
to her credit, she does mention it and her opinions are quite agreeable imo, but once again due to her prescription retard vision goggles she fails to emulate the styles she's shit talking to an acceptable level anyway.
SO as usual her hypocrisy is meme-tier as she's fuckin.. sitting there tweeting about how hard she works and how much of a professional she is and these tumblr autists (who a lot of the time are minors or hobbyists) have linework/composition/character design 50x better than hers. Would honestly be a decent video if she didn't try to draw examples and just did that self aware shit she do and rip on her own art
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Pretty sure she will bend the rules and fail the challenge. It’s going to be rich, she has no idea what this thing really is. I wish I could open her a new butthole about this.
BTW I’m kinda disappointed in the op pic, I wanted the bingo. Also I think she’s 22 now. let’s bring it up here too, please, it’s to precious to let it die.
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she do be doing dat
Should have made the thread then with your own pic. everyone was flooding the last thread with nonsense and not making a whole new thread, so it was either hurry and make this thread or have the last thread locked without a new one.>>580174
she was bitching about "hourly" comics, which is when the artists draw what they did for that hour. 24 hour comics is when you draw 24 pages of comics in 24 hours. which is crazy for Holly. she has the work ethic but clearly not the speed to make it happen
Please. She doesn’t have ethic, she just pretends to be devoted to what she does. The reason she dropped the 100days OF making comic is because she couldn’t stick to a schedule or just slow down to one/two hours of work per day.
I’m pretty sure she takes so long to draw pages because, in addition to her being slow as fuck, she probably took infinite amount of breaks to fuck around.
There’s no way she could make it but I admit I’d love to see her try and fail miserably.
Also I’m the anon who contested the op pic. That bingo pic wasn’t mine and I don’t know how to create/manage thread so I’m glad you did it, but it wasn’t meant to be an insult to you or your AESTHETICS (imagine that read in holly’s Voice). We’re cool, dude :)
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You right. Also, side note, I love how in the description of her ~*professional*~ website it has all those godawful file names she didn’t bother to change. Such a great online presence BRown.
You see, it's not even that she deals with controversial topics. It's just her attitude and her incapability of not being rude/offensive while talking about others.
If she really wanted to work in the industry she should have avoided shitting on everybody who ever lived, and attacking/CORRECTING professionals.
She can delete everything she wants, but what will ultimately fuck up her chances of being hired is how sloppy she is, how she refuses to go back to fundaments and her non existent social skills.
Industry work is mostly networking, the rest is being able to communicate and cooperate. She doesn't have any of these "skills". I mean, they could be easily achieved, but she doesn't want to because she's too attached to her bitchy internet persona.
Guess what: nobody wants to work with an angry, frustrated, lacking self awareness brat.
And it's not like she's being controversial in a spontaneous way. She always does researches on what pisses people off so that she can make a video out of it. She ALWAYS tweets about "this will receive so many hate comments, lol" and stuff like that.
thing is: if you KNOW it's going to be a shitshow, just don't do it. I can understand not being able to shut up for a couple issues, but digging in the dirt just for views and then expected to be taken seriously as a professional is another thing.
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Nice job trying to copy khantaya's bakugou, Holly BRown.
Nah, the arms and hands don't work, but I do think she traced certain elements, which is why it looks ten times as lifeless. I guess she figured Khan doesn't have quite the following she does, and the picture is old enough that she could just ape it for herself. If she ends up finishing it, I hope she gets called on her shit.
And if she ends up not finishing it/deleting the post, she'd be just as guilty because it's here now.
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I thought it was fitting that tweet deleter was a suggested follow on Holly's tweeter
Wow, that sucks. Personally I'd rather watch paint dry than look at her work. She has zero passion or feeling in all of her pieces, there's no substance in anything that she does.
You can say what you want about people with those types of styles, at least most of them actually love and put meaning into what they do. Holly is a boring, bitter bitch with no personality and it shows into every fucking thing she does
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Sorry it bothers you so much that I kind of
like her art style for some of her older male characters. Never said she has any passion or substance, or that people of other styles don't have love or meaning in their work. I don't like Holly or what she does other than cringing. Jesus, anon.
I don't really like her art, just some characters. I don't care about anything else with her art other than anons pointing out flaws. Not upset that anon disagreed, just surprised at the reaction like I was WKing Holly or something.>>582006
Now that I re-read it I don't really know either. Guess I had it on my mind and just felt like posting it.
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And yet you both just participated by contributing absolutely nothing.
In other news, Holly is a ~*comedy*~ ~*queen*~
You're on a hate forum, what do you expect? Also OP said they saged so what is you problem anyways?>>582216
People just listen to her dumb videos because they don't want to blind themselves with her awful art.
You might want to watch that talk again anon. We're talking about concept art a totally different thing Holly's attempting. 'Concept' art that's really what it is, their job description is more about creating ideas and concepts, but its got to be fast and bloody efficient so they use photo-bashing because it would take fucking months to digitally paint that many designs. Mind you, concept art is usually used for video game designs, concepts for films and also storyboarding. You might think its shitty but concept artists play a big role in the industry, I wouldn't knock it, and it's fucking HARD to get into. As for illustration and animation, they're also two different fields and there's still a lot of traditional illustration. Animation is going more 3D but this is nothing new.
Clearly they do this for efficiency and got into the job from their skills however Holly doesn't know her fundamentals at all and she isn't trying to be a 'concept artist'. What even is she.
saged for ot blogpost
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what holly's doing is nothing like photobashing. photobashing is like pic related - ugly as sin, but it gets the job done, and can be passed on later in the line to be refined and turned into models/finalised """concept""" art (really just promo art), etc.
obviously different styles of games have different styles of concepting - the more cartoony the more likely the figures will be drawn mostly from scratch.
saged for sperging about concept art.
You clearly don't know much about concept art if you're comparing that style of production of artwork to holly.
He's just giving a brief of what goes on and doesn't go too into depth of just how much skill is truly needed to create believable concepts,
and it doesn't mean your art is shitty for using references of other art or tracing over 3d rendered models that they've created so that the drawn concept is even more believable
Please don't compare holly's shit to a legitamatr style of art that she doesn't even draw in. She does comics not concept work epically not at a professional level
Sageing for bitchy-ness but fuck, concept art isn't lazy for using the tools accessible to them so that they can convey an idea so that production can take place
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I gotta disagree, I think these shortcuts are lazy in any field and ultimately make artists that don't understand fundamentals, but the discussion is pretty important imo Always good to hear other artists thoughts : )
You gotta know the rules to be able to break the rules. First, you get good. Then you get faster, all that jazz.
Holly never got good, she skipped out on that part entirely and opted for speed.
Being an individual working on a project, it would behoove you to know the foundations like the back of your hand, and take the time to do things right, even if it means doing it slower.
But if you're in a studio environment, it pays to know the fundamentals, and then be able to work as effectively and efficiently as possible so that you can hand the work you did off to the next person who needs to add or refine it. there's nothing lazy about quickness, when you know your fundamentals well first
. If a studio is hiring people that don't at least have that, then they probably aren't putting out good work, if any.
Holly is someone who takes a cursory glance at something and says to herself "tch, I can do that. I can do that better
and I can do it faster
" and her end result always ends up looking sloppy because she fails to realize she can't have it both ways. yet she wants to pass it off as "work ethic" when she can't even give the basics the time of day.
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She updated the mermay video on twitter and i still have no idea whats going on. She's not going to get hired as a story board artist if she can't construct a narrative without using words.
I’m H.C. BRown I think mermay is lame and artists I should not do it, so I’m going to do it and teach you, but I’m not doing mermay no it just so happens that I want to draw mermaids there is a different guy.
I really hate her.
How convenient it is that, despite representing the same pose and angle of the flesh version, the skeleton one is seen flat from the back instead of 3/4?
Learn your fucking anatomy, Holly.
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Only comment that seems to make any sense
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I don’t think anybody is asking for this, you just want to do them. To get money cause everybody is doing mermay but BRown is unique so this is not for the money but cause someone ask her.
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Well Holly, maybe they’re just being honest. Like you do.
for fuck's sake anons, it's a funny broken English email that says "we want to do an exploitation" >picking on people who speak English as a second language
let's not become worse than the cows yeah?
Anon, what I meant is that Holly is constantly saying that she’s blunt and people are pussy if they’re offended the way she speaks, but she feels “offended” by a blunt email, even if it’s pretty clear the bluntness comes from not knowing the language.
She’s also really into shitting on other people’s typos and grammar saying people can’t write and assuming everybody is a native.
I would never make fun of the email or that broken English, you totally misunderetood.
English stuff refers to the other anon's post.
>but she feels “offended”
no she doesn't. She was making a joke. People fall into such low expectations of cows etc. that when the cow ever does something lighthearted it flies right by them
The joke is that the email uses the word exploitation, which is second language interference where in that language it means profit or something, but by happenstance in English it means we're trying to exploit you, hence the humor. Nothing in her post is making fun of grammar or writing skills or anything just stop
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So she's in her final year and this is what she's doing? like, I understand sometimes upperclassmen take basic classes late, but damn this is seriously some 101 shit. The only reason she is taking these classes is because her aunt/mom expects her to.
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Isn't Hershel Hispanic? She complains about everything, if you don't like characters like that don't read them.
I doubt a writer is gonna change their characters because BRown and her shitty attitude said to.
literally what is she talking about? nobody writes characters talking like that anymore, except maybe japanese creators but that's a whole another can of worms- and quentin tarantino as a fcking joke and nobody has taken him seriously in like 10 years.
she wants to make it appear she knows better, when her own mexican character so far seems to be the exact mexican gardener stereotype and she constantly keeps talking about how he's hot and buff. ew. love how this is clearly 100% coming from a place of wanting to appear better and smarter than other people instead of being worried about hispanic people getting stereotyped in media.
I kind of love how her example of bad dialogue is “what’s up, ese?”
that’s some basic ass casual shit that some dude on the street would say, but maybe that’s just me basing it off my surroundings vs. hers
Hershel. The one with black/purple hair?
What’s interesting to me is that she bitches about people writing Hispanic characters that way but her Hispanic character is bland and forgettable cause she can’t give him any personality.
He was white at the very beginning. Guess changing names wasn’t an option.
Big crooked noses can happen in every ethnicity, though.
Her "muscly" purple haired OC is Hispanic, as well as the one with fish scales, green hair, black skin.
Yeah Holly can complain that making Hispanic characters too stereotypical is "problematic
", but making them not even remotely resemble their native peoples is just as bad imo. Like if I made a black emo and gave him a jewish name and told people he was Chinese it's just confusing and stupid.>>584776
Both Hershel and that green haired abomination were white in the beginning. Pretty sure Holly just changed them to random grab-bag skin colors and nationalities because she wanted social justice points/money.
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She always has to shit on art styles different from hers. She’s drawing what looks like a typical cutesy anime girl so of course she’s gonna turn her nose at moe styles (which yeah they’re usually bad but the point is to add as minimal features for maximum cute effect). Kyoani does this all the time and are masters at drawing cute girls, but even then they add shadows to frontal views so the noses have more depth. Holly’s art can never be cute it’s just beyond fucking ugly and irreparable.
whats up with her ears tho ??????
they look so weird ??
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No one asked for this
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What did Miku even do to deserve this, leave her alone ffs
The fact that this is actually ten times better than her own style is really telling.
We've found the reasons other than anatomy why her art is so horrible, the way she draws noses and horribly same face eyes.
This is honestly incredibly bizarre.
Is she using that image as evidence of artists redesigning Miku???
Hey Holly, newsflash: Those aren't redesigns–those are different AUs/styles based on what song she's in.
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Not even mentioning the horrendous works on the limbs here, but God. Look at these eyes. Can't she for once try and draw a well balanced face, or is that too hard for a "professional" artist like her? Also as I'm writing this I just realized she even forgot to draw an eyebrow. Miku deserves better…
the more I look at her legs, the more confused I get because they don't seem to attach properly to the rest of her body at all? to say nothing of those escaping arms, holy shit. also the paw hand, lol. even her feet are detaching or drawn at the wrong angle, like the closest foot.. what is happening there?
and maybe this is nitpicky but it bothers me how thin the ends of her pigtails are and how much detail Holly put into the hair there… but then you get to her head and it's basically just a few fat spikes on top of her head with no movement or depth. it looks like a starfish died there omg
thanks Holly, I hate it
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kek saw this on my twitter feed and instantly thought of holly's video, I wonder if this person is talking about her?
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come on. It's espresso with crema. It looks fine to me
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She just posted a bunch of shit onto her IG, shoutout to this masterpiece in particular for lookin like hot garbage. Holly, for gods sake, learn to not muddy your darn colors so much!!! You say you’re good at colors and yet this is the shit you spew out?
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So many fricken idks. >>587052
That guy doesn't even look like he's in that space. It's like she pasted it on top of the box
Holly, it's called growing a pair and standing up for your own desires for once. "Oh, boohoo, someone said I should do something I don't wanna do, how can I cope???"
Maybe, I dunno, have proper conviction and personal motive to do comics and non-realism art? Considering that all you do is bitch and moan about how making color comics or grey-shading is too 'time consuming', it makes you look like you fucking hate art in general. If it's what you want to do, you wouldn't be throwing your vision and artistic integrity out of the window just to save a few seconds or to deny that your art looks like hot garbage, and actually get better.
Grow a spine or stop doing art if you can't, pick one.
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Did she really need another pose book considering she doesn't know how to use references?
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Such flat cups and the items on the table look like they're floating in space.
as much as she doesnt wanna hear it, this is so much more pleasing to the eye than her usual shit. it's not good, but it's not visually offensive. taking away her ability to pisswash everything improves her coloring, if even slightly.
it's such a refreshing break from her usual broken-doll figures, but it's also way less fun to make fun of. would she kill her hate audience if she became too boring to talk shit about?
Seconding this. Esp after her Tumblr Art Styles video, it seems that whenever she draws in a style that’s not her regular one it looks a lot better. Not great, but if she stuck to one of these alternate styles and really studied I feel like she’d get further in her art and come up w/ more pleasing shit.
But, you know, this is Holly BRown we’re talking about so I doubt she’d actually take this advice if she still lurks here and all
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what's on this book? i cant tell if its the cover… or what
but i agree with you. it still has her obvious touch, but it's just mediocre, not offensive. it's not good, it's just not bad enough to notice if it was all she did.
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i think it's pic related but i could be wrong.
You got that right. Perspective is something Holly needs to start getting right, right now. It's not something she needs to gradually work on. It's a fundamental problem in the way she approaches her artwork. Her whole perspective on art is fucked and so, her technical perspective is fucked. It's a trap that a lot of artists fall into. They go to an art class and learn that you're supposed to paint what you SEE, not what you THINK you see, and so they outline and trace and copy objects from all kinds of angles to build up their "visual library" of symbol-drawing, and end up making work that is just a collage of shit they have seen somewhere else before; a nice brick pattern from here, a wavy hair flip from here, and some anime eye stylisation from here…
They train themselves to break DOWN, analyze, simplify what they see into shadow shapes, color blocks, without really understanding how to build it UP, from the ground up. Making art doesn't always have to be a collage of shit you've seen before! You don't always need to find the exact pose doll, the right reference book, if you have the skill to draw shapes and forms instead of symbols. Making art involves IMAGNIATION. Don't just draw what you see, or what you think you see, draw what you KNOW and draw that thing in a way that expresses how you FEEL about it. Break it down into shapes, understand WHY you're drawing it at the angle you're drawing it at. Try another angle. Does it make it FEEL different? Try another. Add details, erase them away. Build up like a sculptor and then chip away like a woodcutter. The medium of drawing is so free and without boundaries that it's amazing to see how many limitations Holly seems to put on herself.
Oh silly anon, she's not a fine artist she's a professional animator , clearly what you shared doesn't apply to the skilled artist Holly BRown since she's on a whole other medium of choice
No but seriously she really does need to learn the fundamental understandings of how art is created and i would suggest a start woukd be to draw from 3 dimensional life rather than flat pictures of objects and such.
The average person has two eyes that are looking at different angles from one another, a much more realistic perspective is going to reflect that fact as opposed from drawing off of photographs without knowing where to change certain perspectives to look more realistic and not flattened
that would be a good suggestion for anyone but Holly. Have you seen her skull drawings? And the ones she did for the mini moped and bike models she bought? They were atrocious.
I don't know how she manages to always mess stuff like that up, I always thought it was just because it was a flat image, but apparently not.
Wow that’s fucking rad that another YTber would be so blatant about their feelings on Holly. I actually like Kitsune Zakuro, their content is very basic and fandom pandery, but at least they can draw unlike some…
Saged for being kinda ot
The only things I disagree on is her being good at backgrounds and inking. Her background are too wonky and out of perspective. She over details and that makes her perspective mistakes even more obvious. And the ink? She’s either only doing no thickness OR (in the past) she just randomly inked everything with the same huge brush pen and it was a total mess.
That girl was way too nice to holly, imo.
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a bit off topic and i don't know if someone else has mentioned this already but does holly have some mild form of dyslexia? i know it might be a stretch but whenever she makes a long post on twitter her words feel disjointed. not to mention the numerous spelling mistakes and the repetition of "like" and "idk". does she have a condition or does her awful speech patterns just rub off on her writing and she doesn't reread what shes about to post before clicking send?
Holly doesn't look over her own artwork
before she posts it, I don't know why you think she would for something like a tweet (or even the damn text in her comics, which is ten times worse than any tweet she's made).
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Unfortunately for her, Google image search isn't too nice with her either - some pics that pop up lead directly to lolcow; also this apparent rant video circled in pic related that pops up after 2 seconds of scrolling lmao (but it's mostly just her worst drawings & boring video thumbnails)
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So she's gonna waste another couple of years in grad school BS-ing homework?
I just want to add that kickstarter can be used to support you to take the time off to do the work. That's what a lot of video game kickstarters tend to be. And things like anthologies will pay artists. If you're open about taking a cut and pay yourself for time, it's not as shit as it sounds.
That said none of her money actually goes into her Kickstarter since she does create space runs.
i'm in a bitchy mood and this just fucking pissed me off
it's because work and especially animation takes fucking time holly, which is why you can't have 70 projects at once, which is why if you ever want to do any thing decent in your life you have to spend time on it. ffs
one time in an aaron blaise live stream he said to animate 1 minute of footage it takes him about a month. it reminded me of how she wildly overestimates her skill and the amount of actual legit effort it takes to do good work
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Don't know if this is still relevant but I found this image on pinterest and it looked oddly familiar (sorry if this was already posted)
She should toss her “look at the reference for ten seconds and then close it” in the garbage.
She has no problem tracing but referencing something properly is totally unacceptable? Fucking look, understand, copy and learn.
That’s honestly crap from start to finish. They’re both ugly and Faye in particular is a rag doll.
She obviously wants to keep studying because she knows nobody will ever hire her for her skills, and she can keep other two years faking she’s not working because she’s a student.
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I hope that she gets to teach middle schoolers/high schoolers.>"Today class we are doing the sketchbook slam challenge"
Miss, my drawings are getting worst and worst drawing 20 pages a day, and failing my other classes doing your homework!>"No you are progressing well if it looks your characters look bad just draw backgrounds to compensate."
Students will find her shitty yaoi porn online and call her a fat, fujo faggot.She is basically setting herself up for another edgy kid to make a video on how evil their art teacher is
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Meaning, time to make more shitty art videos
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What is that scarecrow body
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April’s videos, including a gag video.
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May’s videos so far.
She does about a video a week. So how is she going to scale that back? A video each fortnight? A month?
And her videos are making more than her clever kitchen bs. How much has she spent on that vs YouTube?
OT I am actually curious about how much youtube is actually taking out and why? That's actually concerning
on topic, is… is Holly writing shitty rape porn?
There's money in porn but not the kind of shit holly wants to make. You either do fetish/OC commissions, popular fanart, or a web comic with mass appeal.
Drawing porn also requires a very deep understanding of anatomy and character interaction. You need to know a lot about the human body in 3d space before you can draw anything sexy besides symbol-drawn pinups.
We've already seen holly's terrible paper-doll with ptsd porn. There are already amazing yaoi artists who are way more appealing than her. There's no way she can compete with them and get enough money to support herself.
Holly if you want to get porn money, improve your technical skill and accept that you won't get rich off your ugly OCs.
you’re “friends” with renowned pedophole shadman? y i k e s >>590919
the way holly tried to monetize EVERYTHING really makes me wonder if she’s an artist for the love of art or just sees it as a means to an end. not to mention making good money as an artist involves a lot of doing the exact opposite you want under a client’s direction. and she hates doing anything she doesn’t want it her schoolwork is any indication.
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Flipping some burgers would probably do her good, honestly.
I'd have more respect for someone who worked in a fast food chain to get by while making art they loved on the side than I'd have for this trash trying to wringe money out of drawing wonky porn.
She’s ALWAYS shat on mc Donald’s jobs and joked about how she would kill herself instead of working there.
Talk about “needing” money. She was way too lucky to find a “fanbase” at such a low level.
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lol dw that isn't me
i hate shadman- not only for being an edgelord but their work is shoddy af as well; does anyone remember that loli pic with the girl tied up and her hands are backwards lmao. funny he should come up in this thread because he reminds me of a robot incel holly.
Yes, the folks i know use aliases it would be pretty stupid not to tbh. they aren't mega attention whore famous like shad but they are pretty well known in the furry/fetish community. i've learned a lot about anatomy and composition from them. I really respect them as craftspeople
i think people are too scared because most people obviously pity her and think she's retarded so it'd be seen as bullying lol.
I think the only person that would be "qualified" as in, holly wouldn't react like:
>CAN YOU DO BETTER THO??
would be an actually accomplished yt artists and all of them are too professional to start drama
The worst cover imaginable, stiff and absolutely not erotic whatsoever. Porn doujin or whatever usually tease a bit making someone want to open it and look, this is not enticing at all.
Also, a little nitpick but what the fuck kind of kidnapper/rapist uses scissors to cut the tape?
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Ms. BRown running her mouth about things she clearly has no knowledge or understanding of, again. Put down the Jordan Peterson books, Holly, you're starting to sound as much of a raving lunatic as him.
so because some media has stupid or abusive male characters, people can't criticize toxic masculinity? And women can solve toxic masculinity by being nicer to men?
Holy fuck Holly.
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>a good person,
…She'll 'decided for herself', guys.
It actually dovetails nicely into her whole "I don't relate to other women" …thing, she has going on.
While meanwhile, >>591396
Jordan B Peterson has people believing that it's their right to say some pretty bigoted things and not get labelled appropriately for the things they say. In his and his admirers' eyes they are being intellectually honest, and the awful people calling them out on their behaviour should be silent.
The people that Peterson appeals to tend to have some repugnant views by modern standards: singling out Islam as a religion for harsh criticism, belittling women, etc.
I think Peterson gives these people comfort. He gives hope to those who don't appreciate progressive values.(derailing)
Oh that quality book?
Here are the 12 steps if you’re curious
>Stand up straight with your shoulders back>Treat yourself like someone you are responsible for helping>Make friends with people who want the best for you>Compare yourself to who you were yesterday, not to who someone else is today>Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them>Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world>Pursue what is meaningful (not what is expedient)>Tell the truth – or, at least, don't lie>Assume that the person you are listening to might know something you don't>Be precise in your speech>Do not bother children when they are skateboarding>Pet a cat when you encounter one on the street
I wonder if she’s suddenly going to “be precise in your speech” or assume that others might have information worth listening to. The book is a bunk “selfhelp” book. One of the points might as well be “be nice.”
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Holly really is the perfect example of a dumbfuck who consumes shitty right-wing content on the internet made to make money, and think she's vastly intelligent because of it.
Like, she really thinks she has the capacity to read any work of Peterson's and evaluate it on its own merit, when the bitch can't even string a coherent sentence together.
anyway can't wait til this dumb bitch stops running her mouth
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Sha came up with the idea the other day. She only made this cover sketch so far and she’s already putting up preorders?
And wait, you have less than 10 days to preorder this shit that god even knows when it’s going to be delivered? She must REALLY need money, I wonder what expensive crap she’s longing this time.
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this is the summary on the preorder page of her "doujinshi" so im guessing Herschel has a pain/kidnap/rape fetish?
I can understand opening up pre-orders for a work, but typically you need to have the majority of it already
made. that's why there's teaser art or preview pages for most books. Holly just plans on making the books herself and gobbling up the money for it cause she's a pig and a scam artist. I wouldn't even buy this 'just to see' what's in it bc it doesn't even exist past a cover page and synopsis. if she can't finish a proper chapter of her main comic, what in the world would make me wanna buy this with any confidence?
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These pins are so fugly
Enamel packaging just LAZIER. Also I can’t get over the fact that she commissioned the pins before even starting to draw the comic, resulting in characters being a primitive version and buttugly to say the least.
She’s picking the end of the month as a deadline for way too many things… I wonder why she needs cash so quickly.
I'm nitpicky too, I don't want something I bought to say "A gift for you" on it unless I asked for it to be gift wrapped. I bought it, what the hell is it, a gift to myself?
And wouldn't custom printed packaging make sense with her own artwork on it, not some random cat thing?
My theory on why she needs cash is San Japan coming up and forgot about needing plane tickets and a room (I remember in a previous thread she said she was flying which is absolutely nonsensical considering the amount of stuff she's gonna be hauling with her)
Where the hell do I even begin with this hot mess.
First: why call it a doujinshi when it's her own characters? If it were SOMEONE ELSE doing this with her OCs or an ANTHOLOGY of different artists including Holly, then yes, it would make sense to call it that. But primarily, doujinshi is done for pre-existing works. Just call it a fucking comic, Holly, that's what it is.
Second: who the FUCK does she think she is? Is she really putting up preorders TODAY and leaving them open for ONE WEEK? This is just like her soon-to-be-atomic-bomb of a zine for MHA (giving artists an unrealistically short time frame to finish their pieces by the 31st). Also, >>591803
it's common for doujinshi and books in general to have pre-order stages due to how long they take to produce. Japanese sites like Toranoana does this because they're a professional shop who work with artists that know what the hell they're doing.
When you open up pre-orders for something, any self-respecting artist who KNOWS what they're doing leave them open until a) a set stock they already have sells out, or b) has a decent time frame open (1-2, maybe even 3 months is standard for books). Even fucking Moo did this with her awful keychains, so congratulations Holly, one of the stupidest cows on this site is officially smarter than you when it comes to selling pre-orders.
I haven't even gone into the artistic stages with this trite garbage.
>using an unfinished, ugly, LAZY sketch as the front cover for muh aesthetic purposes>the fact that she wants to sell her OCs when it would be more logical and rake in more money if she did a pre-existing series (YOU KNOW LIKE WHAT A DOUJINSHI IS SUPPOSED TO FUCKING BE)>this will most likely never see the light of day bc of all her projects she piles on to herself>no one will buy it because her fanbase is filled with 13 yr old scumbag, edgelord fujoshits like her and it's 18+>32 FUCKING PAGES LONG yet still calls it a "mini comic". Holly. "Mini" means about 10-15 pages in the doujinshi business, not fucking 32. Oh wait, if she made it that short, she would have to charge about $7 instead of $15. Greedy cunt.
Sorry for sperging, but holy FUCK, I hate people like her who talk like she knows everything and then fucks up the easiest shit because of her ignorance.
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Oh yikes. Money not well spent
Are her characters even drawn like this anymore? I don’t trust Holly to draw anything on model. >>592232
I must admit, Holly knows how to wrap up a turd nicely. However it doesn’t cover up the waste of money buying her “products” really is.
imo it's better to just get clear packets and design a nice backing card that complements the theme of the pin.
I mean in the end it doesn't really matter since it mostly gets thrown away but it looks more professional.
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That's not an attack, that's a legit suggestion. scheduled work can ground someone like her with all that time she thinks she's got (and still manages to rush?), and give a more realistic view of what she can accomplish, while having some level of consistency.
but no, 'flipping burgers' and retail are just so beneath her now.
actually I'd have at least a bit more respect for her if she did hold a part time job. at least then she might be
a bit more humble/tolerable.
so fuck her for also shitting on the ways artists need to get by to supplement their living/ passions. what an uppity pig.
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Ffs, stop playing the dead dad card and talking like there’s tons of people judging you. You fucking got ONE comment, grow a pair.
No no no anon those were “investments.” She’s a business woman. /s
She needs to give herself a stern talking to, figure out a proper budget, clean her shithole of a room, and focus on a few profitable ventures. He issue isn’t her dad died, which like yeah I have empathy for. It’s that she has no personal accountability or responsibility and just wants to draw whatever she feels like in that moment. Clever Kitchen is a time sink. Her comic is a time sink. Her “animations” are a time sink. Manually making everything is a time sink. Lesson 101 of fucking life is that time is money. Yet she wastes so much of it doing busy work and shitty childish projects that she puts zero thought into. This nsfw shit is just another example of that. She has no idea if it’s going to make her money. It might even lose her money because fans could be turned off. Like she said, she draws a lot of Nsfw stuff anyway so she’s just trying to keep doing whatever she wants and try to profit off of it.
She needs to cut the shit, trim the fat, and figure out what is actually making her money and only focus on that. She needs to crank out profitable art like a machine. That’s how you get ahead. Not trying fifty different things, spending a fortune on programs and tools, and then failing at it all. Who gives a fuck about being a sell out? Work hard now, do side pieces you’re passionate about, and when you have stability, start being more independent with your choices. She acts like she has all the freedom in the world to do whatever art she wants. Which I mean, sure, if she wants to be a “starving artist.” But then she doesn’t get to bitch about money. She can’t make whatever she feels like in the moment regardless of profitability and then bitch about having no money. She can’t do both.
>>592652>"Clever Kitchen is a time sink."
Clever Kitchen is probably to only thing she should actually be doing right now since she needs to finish it to graduate. If Holly actually wanted a job in the animation industry she should be promoting the shit out of Clever Kitchen and posting updates on the process.
I think the main problem is Holly is unable to plan ahead at all. She has no idea what to with her life so she keeps jumping from one interest to another. The best thing for Holly right now would be sit down and actually think about what she wants to do. If she wants to work on comics for the rest of her life then she should focus on promoting her comics and releasing pages in a timely manner. If she wants to be an animator then she needs to keep us updated on her projects and try to build connections with people in the industry instead of shitting all over them in her videos. Finally, if she just wants to be a youtuber who sells crafts on the side, she needs to stop guilt tripping her audience constantly and work on her PR (ie stop posting about polarized topics on twitter and fighting people who call you out).
Actually, no. She doesn’t need KC “to graduate”, we don’t even know if her school will accept that stuff as a final project. She is in illustration, so KC as an animation is totally off topic and really hard to judge. A simple animation would have been useless, but she jumped on a full 10 minutes of animations only because she wants to prove god knows who that she can make animations.
But it’s not necessary. It would be necessary to build a project that focuses on illustrations. Build that project, put effort into it, learn how to speak about the project.
She could have made a full portfolio for the DEVELOPMENT of KC, complete with real studies and such, and call it a day.
So I agree with the other anon, KC is a sink. Nobody asked for her to create a 10 minutes short, ever.
Is she doing that because she wants to work in animation? Why doesn’t she fucking study fundamentals? A shorter but conscious animation impresses way more than a 10 minute turd. Also if she’s aiming at a studio job she should cut with her attitude, learn to be humble and, like, start networking.
But who in their sane mind would want to work with her?
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Ugh she's passing on her shitty anatomy to the impressionable youth of the internet.
Dare I say it looks better than her actual art
There was a bit of posting awhile of back of artists on here that had been influenced by Holly's art (mainly large chins) but it seems a few people are noticing she's really shit and are moving away from it
i don't think she realizes she's scamming, but i do think she over plays the regular payments normal people have to pay. She's definitely trying hard to make her e-begging seem like "guys i had to resort to porn" or "it's not ebegging because i'm giving you a product" no matter how subpar the product is.
it makes her audience feel bad and when questioned she can pretend to be progressive (even though she's fujo trash and we know she draws that shit anyway she just wants money for it)
>to keep me from flipping burgers
>the lazy horse shit i'm making is worth your money i'm too professional to work in a job like that i had my own business at 23 reeeeeeee
She's in illustration online college… She is also going to an anime convention to sell prints in less than a year.
Why the everloving fuck isn't she making illustrations for her school she can ALSO sell as prints?
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:)(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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She has a sponsor button available for this stream and these are the emojis. She says that's an eggplant.
She is so unbearable, it's hard to even try. Also pot is the devil, a gateway drug dull of gross stuff.
She says she's not conservative but damn if she doesn't sound like a concerned mom who is trying so hard to be cool.
does she know that birth control can fail. And that people don't only have sex when they want to reproduce. She has the opinions of a sheltered high schooler who hasn't experienced the world yet.>>592875
fujos are nasty
"It's because I have a skill, it's called drawing."
Skill is the last thing I would describe Holly's art with.
I mean sure, if she makes more money drawing porn than working at McDonald's, why not, but I'm sure it's going to crash and burn like every other project she's trying to make money on.
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Anytime Holly talks about starting another goddamn project
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When her fans draw better stuff than her. He actually looks like he has muscles now
Judging by the skill of the fan artist, it looks like it was possibly made by one of Holly's slightly more artistically adept followers who is trying to sponge off some of Holly's e-fame.
For all the anons on here trying to tear apart the piece, it's honestly pretty good. I mean it's no Picasso but I personally would consider commissioning the original artist.
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She retweeted this. We really hit a sore spot, huh.
She immediately just spends all the money she gets from videos and whatever art she makes on whatever shiny new thing catches her interest to make more art that she barely, if ever, makes a profitable return on…
I'd noticed she pretty much has been ramping up the asking for money lately though. And there's nothing wrong with making money off your work, but she's doing everything in such a slapdash way, it all just ends up coming off as a moneygrab without really caring or looking at what she's making. There's no thought or time going into what she makes, and that's sort of disrespectful to her audience that might be the slightest bit interested.
"I'm gonna pump this crap out, they'll buy anything"
is what it feels like.
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This is kind of what I feared most, that and any other super hero she gets her grubby, greasy hands on.
Didn't she constantly shit on the superhero genre? Why the sudden interest now
She only likes these heroes because they're from a manga.
The exact same story and characters could have come from a western superhero comic book artist and she'd pay it zero attention
hey im the creator of that vid and i made it almost a year ago now, and i dont agree with what i said anymore lol.. ive since gone to art uni and actually been educated in good work ethics and good illustrators and i now can confirm that holly BRown is trash, so take that vid with a pinch of salt
sage for ot?
Whats with her fetishizing hispanic men?
She never seems to specify what "hispanic" her characters are.
Are they central,islanders,southern latinos?
i know herschel or whatever is supposed to be Mexican.
is she really fetishizing latino man? i can't tell if she ever had a hardon for other latino men, fictional or otherwise
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Someone called the lame nightwing fanart. She did a sketch dump on twitter and they are all awful
Again with that fucking hair. I swear that's just Herschel in a mask.
Also she can make her characters whatever race she wants, but like, they're all bland as toast anyway. She has an obvious obsession with 'muscles' though since she likes to point out that Herschel has them. a lot. Even though he doesn't.
Homemaker =/= Trophy Wife.
If Holly had the looks she would 100% be happy just sitting there looking pretty if it meant she could continue being a leech. I mean she already basically scams her fans into basically just giving her money so it's not that different.
Also,>"sex is scary"
I really doubt Holly is anti-sex. She just like parroting stupid fundamentalist views like the sheep she is. Of course, like many other fundamentalist's out there, she is definitely a huge hypocrite who would probably jump at the chance to have sex with a guy she finds attractive.
You're right, I should've come at that angle but I was humoring anon. Hell I know I wouldn't eat any meals cooked by Holly, she thinks stale ass rice cakes are better for her than fruit and vegetables as a snack. Stupid much? I hope they realize how much of a scammer she actually is when the zine books are shit and when it takes forever for her fucking rape fantasy book to come out.
Need a big hypocrite stamp to put over her face! She definitely isn't anti-sex, she's anti-abortion for herself so she's scared she's going to get pregnant so she avoids sex I guess. A baby would eat up all the time she spends on her shitty art and she can't have that.
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well she really likes Lance from Voltron Legendary Defenders who's cuban? dont know if both reese and herschel were hispanic before that
but herschel used be white, and I was under the impression reese was black but i guess holly is bad at skin tones
heck i dunno if herschel is dark tan or light yellow, its been kinda inconsistent
Yo you're right, anon. My mistake lmao.
Holly just leeches off of trends for however long she's interested in making money off it. wonder what ever happened to those 500 Hamilton projects she had going. I know she dropped some.
But the only reason people follow her around is because she A) had merch for a popular thing, or said she liked popular thing and drew it
B) 'speaks her mind' and those 'edgy teens' like what she has to say because 'a lotta people don't know' her opinions are actually unpopular
C) hate following her. Which i guess is a lot of this forum.
She'll never be known for much else since she'll die if she gets her head out of her ass, that's her main source of oxygen after all.
yea I think the only reason people are stillw atchign is for those rant type videos.
I mean yea she can have an opinion , but her's is not totally solid all the time ?(( idk if that makes sense )
Like she wants to be edgy but at the same time not totally , idk its a weird paradox for me to see .She'll probably pander to anyone though so there's that.
The other poster didn't mention anything about personality, but developing a character's background (nationality, ethnicity, race) is a part of character development. It doesn't mean they should be defined entirely by their race, which is
bad character writing, as you've pointed it out.
But it's pretty dumb to work in a visual medium and not rely on visual cues like keychains when it comes to showing a character's background. In my area, it's really easy to clock someone's ethnic background just by looking at their car (flag hanging off of rear view mirror, custom license plate, vinyl sticker, etc.).
Like, it would also be another thing if she was purposefully writing Hershel to be "culturally ambiguous" (assimilated immigrant child, transracial adoption, self-hatred, etc.) or coded white, but it seems all of her non-white characters share this trait, so it's just a sign of her poor writing.
that's not what i'm saying, i'm saying that hershey is so bland that sticking a label that says 'mexican' on him would be more establishing of his background than anything she's done to show it>>594590
true, but then don't make a big deal of the character's race>>594665
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ot but this is the same account who commented about how stupid hollys mermaid anatomy video was. sounds like she's on here
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Just found this and lets just say Holly's gonna have a hard time in the future lol
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Found tweet context for anyone curious
Well yeah I don’t think she was talking about holly but it’s good to have a confirmation that this kind of blacklists do exist.
That might be why Holly switched plans from California to Portland?
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no caption necessary kek
Wtf? Step by step tutorial art books are great for captivating young artists who want to pursue drawing and are great for beginners to learn how to study hand eye cordination to properly copy the picture shown to them.
Do professionals and most adults use them? No, but you can't expect to teach someone with little to no experience the fundamentals of drawing a skull and radial shading and not have them feel intimidated.
Sage for ranting but I used step by step how to draw books all the time when I was little because being able to properly draw simple designs and have them turn out like the book made me feel accomplished and ready to try something a little more advanced.
Let the noobs have their fun and if they want to continue pursuing the hobby then they can start learning the proper foundations
same.. and anatomy books that break down the process were so amazingly helpful to me starting out. i still like to flip through my old “how to draw manga” books for inspiration or ideas even though i’m not a weeb anymore.
holly doesn’t have any advice that hasn’t been said a million times before. it’ll just be “draw everyday! draw from life!” etc and she knows that. so she’s gotta clickbait with some inflammatory opinion to make it interesting ofc.
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I use pose books for ideas/inspiration for poses, not to learn from it. Jfc holly. You're teaching kids to learn from pose books??
I mean I've learned a lot from pose books myself because I couldn't afford to go to life figure drawing classes. I used them in tandem with anatomy books to study the human body, but I doubt that's what Holly wants people to learn from them because that's too simple and reasonable.
Her issue is that she focuses too much on a single thing that's not as popular so she seems like the ultimate art aficionado that holds all the mysterious knowledge of the art world in her palm. By finding random obscure things to praise or rant about she's trying to give the illusion of knowing more than other people because they haven't talked about whatever she has, but in reality its just that it doesn't matter at all.
The point of any art resource is to use them with other things and not just by themselves. If all my art training came from pose books I'd be fucked, and the same applies to anything else, you've got to explore all your options if you want to learn and improve hence why Holly hasn't done either.
Learning from observation is great and all but it does help to be able to set up the form underneath, which is something that a lot of tutorial books teach. Not to mention, tutorial books are a lot more friendly for beginner artists. Pose books are fine but I would have just tried to copy what I saw if I were given one of those when I started.>>595624
I want her to make a vid about this honestly. It's probably just going to be some self serving bullshit again
haha bitch. there are plenty of good drawing books that aren't christopher harts how to draw manga out there, the point is you use the information from the book to draw from life not fucking copy the shit out of the book. There are plenty of classics that pros use to this day to brush up on fundies, and what about her beloved disney animation principals book that i doubt she's ever opened? Its such a smug faux pas to write off information just like that.
I know it's a bit of a meme but i don't know many good figure artists that haven't had a good read of loomis etc. once again she's doing the "don't listen to the ass load of people that know what they're talking about, listen to salty old me!"
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hollys back to being friends w Romanian girl
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she mentioned on her ig live that she was "gonna stream w a friend" and @pimikyu (used to be @pyunck) was in the comment section acting all friendly again.
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judging from the style + "her meet the artist" this is in fact the Romanian girl
sidenote:she restarted her yt channel
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is this new ? why is there a fucking sponsor button on hollys channel.
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It’s similar to twitch $5 subscriptions, YT was using it only for gaming channels but now are branching out to other genre YT channels. It’s not automatic, you push the “sponser” button on the left side under the video, a pop up will appear asking if you would like to “support the YT creator” with a donation of $5 a month, automatic monthly charges unless you manually cancel it. It’s supposed to up the compition between what twitch & patron offer, and to make up for creators losing income via Adsense demonetization. The creator chooses the “perks”, mainly a special symbol-thingy next to your YT username in the YT comments section (of that creators videos only) so everyone can see how big of a cuck you are.
Manually-signing up to a $5 patron tier with minamal to none perks.
But I just went to her livestream and couldn’t find it anymore for some reason?
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She’s ranting about obesity and fat people, pretty sure she said “fat fucks”. She said the waste money and that she knows they’re just lazy because she’s a fatty herself. Was talking about the show “my 600 lb life”, said that it’s okay to be like her and just be a little fat, but not that fat or obese, which is ironic, since her BMI says she’s obese, and says it’s all about health, wasting money and time on being fat and food, “just no…no…no”, saying all they do is sit there and just eat all day and nothing else, and just really not liking fatties in general. While people in the chat kept saying “what??!” Or “how can they be so fat!!” “I’m soooo skinny, ugh it’s sooo annoying” “ and others talking about their eating disorders and calling holly out on what she was saying.
>pic related is her weight-appropriate drawing
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She confirmed she draws those lines on the "buff" guy's arm to create muscle definition when questioned about it in her stream. "Or else it will look like a big, fleshy blob."
That's why you study anatomy, Holly.
This guy seriously scares me. Looks like a mummy anorexic tweaker or something. And he is so stiff, like a corpse.
I honestly thought this comic was going to look a lot better. Boy was I fucking wrong. It looks scary… very far from sexy.
I am dreading what they're going to look like naked and fucking.
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The fuck is that? LITERALLY EVERYTHING is wrong and that vagina armpit is nightmare fuel.
Apart from everything mentioned on these threads, I keep having something on my mind about Holly that I can't get.
I'm an artist myself, consider myself pretty mediocre. I'm living on my own, earning enough money for my art. And then I see Holly blatantly wasting money. Apple products, Adobe Photoshop, a bunch of traditional art supplies. If you are a starving artist, you don't need this shit to create art. It's just a waste of money. She keeps whining about being poor starving artist, why won't she start managing her money properly? Dunno, I can live a pretty decent life while being mediocre noname. Mind you, I have issues too and I'm mentally ill coming from abusive household. I never was a "blunt" kind of person and now it seems to me that I am more "blunt" than her, she just tries to mask her issues under the "honesty" label.(blogposting)
His arms… remind me of slabs of cured meat hanging on a rack to dry.
This is even more QUALITY than her normal work. Jesus I thought she had gotten better but I was wrong, she is regressing.
Somehow holly manages to draw deflated labia for arms and it's still stiff and boring.
Guys I can't wait to see the dicks she draws. I am axcually excited to see this impending train wreck.
And oh god… and the penetration scenes. Imagine a butthole drawn by BRown.
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at 1:28 she shits on moleskine, "DONT BUY MOLESKINE!" but I've seen gorgeous paintings in moleskine and never had a problem with them myself, does she just soak the page in water or what?
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was scrolling through my recommended on tumblr and
she didn't open up a p.o. box to receive letters from admiring fans, she got it hoping that people would give her free shit. and even when she gets something she's never satisfied. that's why she's a god damn pig. lives exactly like one.
how tf can you think leaky, peely plasters on an unhygenic emo cutter sexy? I can't believe i'm judging someone on their self harm etiquette this is hilarious. >>596816
ofc the glass is leaning smh>>597283
there are even shit bombs now, i'm crossing my fingers
She's not on the spectrum, she's just soulless and stupid.
What does she expect people to send her but letters, is it there for companies to just send PR packages? Her fans I'm sure can barely afford her shitty merch, not like they can shell out big bucks to send her expensive gifts she'll only use once and toss in her trash heap of a room.
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Holly thinks this is "some fucking good composition".
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No holly. You dont learn from mindless doodles. You learn from studying things properly, not repeating the same mistakes over and over again because you refuse to correct your shitty anatomy
This is the same person who got triggered
when her audience said that Skinny emo's arms looked too long. 'you need to let that shit go man', wow way to be passive-aggressive. Your art 'career' was a mistake.
It's digital so fix your typos.
the perspective on this is sooo confusing, like the inner circle wheel thing seems more slanted and then the outer and inner stuff is almost straight on??
and yeah i hope she takes Peterson's book to heart and actually cleans her room for once, every time she shows her filthy floor i'm overcome by a sudden desire to clean kek
>>597563>lucky if people don't fall through the floor
I also thought I was looking at the ceiling until I read that line – what the heck am I looking at?
I THINK he's trying to say in general for more than just the ceiling, but maybe she needs more shots to show that OTHER things are in disrepair too
it's pretty obvious that it's the ceiling (probably more so if you've seen the previous pages) and saying that people will fall through the floor while showing the cracked ceiling is a good way to convey that the whole place is dilapidated. You wouldn't show each piece of damage as you list them off unless you were like, ulillillia. Are you the same anon that said>put the speech bubble in the visual focus of the image
i thought it was a roulette table>>598216
pls link dear anon
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Original reply off Mr. Anka’s Post
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Holly’s response. Kris is a real nice guy and was supporting her so I guess he hasn’t checked out her twitter page for the kind of person she is. I feel bad for him, not her (she kinda deserves to be roasted by professional comic artists, so…)
fucking kek what a bitter bitch
Also the deadline for her bnha zine is tomorrow, you think all 105 people have their pieces done?
Did Holly really just fucking say that she doesn't do good work on her art in order to have a higher page production?
Has she even looked at her fucking tapas recently? She doesn't post shit, and when she does it's like 3 pages a month! What the fuck is she talking about???
Mangakas who do work for magazines like Shonen Jump do like 20 pages a week and are stressed to the max because of it, and she's sitting there with her thumb up her ass like "see guys, I do work! My shitty Purgatory comic is just like
Fullmetal Alchemist! We do the same amount of work cuz sometimes the fight scenes don't have backgrounds! LOL!" Jfc…
>>597534>Writing a comic where a human slave twink is raped by elves
She doesn't wanna fess up and call herself a fujoshi, but everything she writes is gross fujo fantasy bullshit.
So that'll just be her demographic and she better not fuckin complain about it. (you know she will tho)
Also ANOTHER PROJECT THO.
OK good luck with that portland move, Holly. And your 15 other partly done projects.
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The redhead's fucking arm tho?? Guys please. Also I agree with >>598495
, the pose is really generic but I guess we can't expect much from Holly's Chosen 100.
At least we can't see the bottom of their feet…?
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Designs for Hollys new yaoi nsfw comic. Because she needs another project. These look so shitty
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As someone whose read plenty of yaoi i have no idea what she means by the "elf" thing
Nah, you can stop right there anon.
Holly is a fucking classic fujo, point blank period. Let's not throw the sexuality discourse into the mix, because that doesn't matter when you're a fetishizing bitch. There's no other justification for that.
Anyway, has she updated at all on that fanzine? Is she gonna inevitably push back the due date? God I can't wait for this and her 9 other projects to flop lmao.
It'll happen, no need to imagine, that is if she gets the balls to move.
God I would hate to be her roommate, I'm not the tidiest individual myself but damn her room is disgusting.
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Looks like Holly's T-shirt design didn't win, meaning now she has to pay full price for the one table.
>>598530>people love that
Why isn’t she drawing what she
loves, instead of for a random made-up market (genuinely never seen that combination enough to be memorable)? It’s so transparent that all she sees is dollar figures. There’s not enough skill for her to make up the lack of heart.
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It was like 3 threads back
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Speaking as a connoisseur of gay elves, this is the most unappealing concept art of an elf I’ve ever fucking seen. Why is he so old and jowely? Why is he dressed like a business entrepreneur in the 1700s? Why is his face so fucking narrow?
If she’s trying to tap into the gay elf market then she should probably look at what elves typically look like instead of drawing some ugly old yaoi dude with pointed ears. If she wants to make a fuckhuge tall elf that isn’t ethereally beautiful then look at the high elves from Elder Scrolls, for instance - they have a sort of alien appearance without being flat out ugly or off putting.
I think Holly’s biggest weakness is character design. She makes flat out unappealing characters yet pushes them for pornographic consumption?
Yeah, I don't think elves are all necessarily beautiful but they shouldn't look like normal dudes with pointy ears. Holly has a terrible sense of aesthetic, all her characters are boring and unnapealibg.
Something tells she only cares about elves because of that dnd podcast with the gay elf, highly doubt she has any interest in fantasy.
Besides if she wanted actual inspiration for gay elves she could look into all the lotr fandom shit since that is pretty much breeding ground for gay elves.
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There are just so many places to draw inspiration for elves that there’s no excuse to draw a human with elf ears. It’s so lazy. I know that Holly is terrified of using references but if she thinks that gay elf consumers are going to be in her ugly little porn comic that is specifically made to pander to people who like elves, she’s in for a rude awakening. Ok, I’m done sperging about elves.
So she must really be hurting for money if she’s gone straight to drawing porn of what she thinks people want to see. It’s actually really pathetic how desperately she’s trying to pander to an audience that doesn’t exist. Why not sell more commissions of what people ACTUALLY want instead of blindingly spinning the wheel and thinking she’s going to strike gold?
i am a huge fujo and this literally repulsed me, wow, it can be done. the size difference thing only works when it doesn't look like a 50 year old rapey uncle and his 13 year old nephew. neither of them is attractive in anyway. >>598535
yes yes yes yes>>598735
oh shit, this was a serious submission to something and not just a print she hoped to sell? fuck>>598751>connoisseur of gay elves
so you wanna drop some imgs in the fujo thread in /ot/ that would be okay
yeah kind of but it could be a rental, it's really beyond nitpicky to start up about something like that. it just turns into people listing off rent where they live and being culture-shocked>>599854
this is the one project i have any faith might actually be finished, to any degree
i'm not trying to be mean to you specifically, but i feel like this convo happens at least once in every single thread on this site. the website zillow will teach you the wonders of cheap american real estate better than anons trying to stay on topic will>>599889
and she's def gonna hand print and hand cut the books and theyre gonna come out a fucking mess
It'd be delicious irony, seeing as she wanted to make everything about this Zine about her
. . .>Oh, I coordinated this Zine>Oh, I organized it.>Oh, I chose the colors.>Oh, I'M putting them together by hand.
like…Actually, anon, that's a good question. If she's making these herself, how is distribution going to work? Is she going to sell them from her own website? Do no other artists…get to distribute? Then that would mean whatever revenue it makes, goes to her
If this gets made, keep an eye on the price of this zine wherever she sells it, guys. Online and at San-Japan.
This is exactly what I was thinking.
100 artists prolly just got scammed. shoulda been smart about it, but then again these are more than likely, Holly's followers, after all.
Just because some of them draw OK doesn't mean they're smart on decisions like
'not going into a zine with a hazy deadline and flimsy-ass rules run by an artist who can't even finish her own projects', but hey.
That's the thing though, anon, she can't do pre-orders
because she can't even be certain she'll complete the damn project
. She doesn't want to be held accountable for what might not happen.>>599919
She has quite a lot more explaining to do and as far as we can tell, no second video has gone up divulging any further details. I wouldn't put this past her…
True, at least she's just a bit dumb and overly ambitious than an outright malicious scammer.
It would really do her good to just listen to someone but everything anyone says is a personal attack. Try and tell her to take a part time job to help with finances and she'll rip your head off, tell her to prioritize and she'll complain to her minions for asspats.
Holly please, don't screw yourself and everyone over, be responsible and admit you need help with the zine if it's to be done.
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Oh lordy. What are those colors
so we not gonna talk about that NSFW Patreon she casually linked under her last vlog video?
She said she plans on just 'using it for dry months' but that's not how Patreon works…? You need to consistently update it with work, not just when you're broke, and decide to trickle in some WIP of your shitty NSFW comic Holly.
Orange highlight with blue shadow, holly, that's not how complimentary colors work dear. Still she says she's got color theory in the bag.
Surprisingly it's not the colors that piss me off the most, it's that stupid ass chin on nightwing. If she gonna draw a profile like that the least she could do is even it out with some volume in the lips.
Even more than that it's the goddamn hair flips. I get it, wispy hair bits are fun to draw, I do it all the time, but those aren't at all wispy or interesting whatsoever, they're just stupid.
She’s opening up preorders for her shitty rape porn comic though? The fact that she didn’t for the zine - where she’s employed one hundred artists
- is actually super fucking sus.
This is some RCDart level regression
Her art my have been bad anatomy wise but atleast it was a hell of alot more stylized to make up for it, kinda gives me the johen Vasquez vibe almost
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Peeked in on her Tumblr and watch out, Holly's going to take on Hollywood!
I haven't seen a Hollywood film in a long time either, if we're talking in theaters probably more than 6 years.
Still though, I highly doubt this is all that uncommon and nothing to really toot your horn about. A lot of people seem generally dissatisfied with the lowest common denominator that is the current film industry plus the ubiquity of arguably better alternatives that you can enjoy from your own home.
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i wonder what excuse is she going to say
I hope the anon who was with us who got in can provide the milk like before…
how many people you wanna bet dropped off? Because I hardly see any
buzz for this zine and I could be wrong.
Oh my god. Holly talking about her "chin phase"at around 28 minutes.
Her fixing her old art us literally just her making the face more narrow. HOLLY YOU DIDN'T FIX THE CHIN YOU JUST MADE THEIR ENTIRE FACE LONG.
You see this on all her art now. Every character looks like their face got put in a vice.
Her old style reminds me of a mix of Jhonen Vasquez and Tim Burton (both styles which personally annoy me). Somewhere between her old stuff and now she became absolutely obsessed with the idea of being a 'self-made professional' that she thought shortcuts and spending money were a good idea to get there. She missed the boat on putting effort into her studies and networking.
Now she just makes long-chin, fugly art for her 80 projects.>>599934>>599930>>598529
is that Herschel, kek
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That elf fucking looks like Armored Skeptic hahaha
aka horrifically ugly. cannot believe she finalized that design wow
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i can't unsee the weird gradient shading in the what's supposed to be fold of fabric as weird shadow between two fucked-up legs. the other one looks like he's wearing an unflattering denim skirt. >>600388
it's so much them that it looks like she just traced the back of roy's coat and that's why it makes no sense and looks like pic related to me
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the anon who said she's just squishing the faces was spot on
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>>599320>blames Texas weather and deer for shitty garden
I live in Texas and my garden looks fine.
Buy deer repellent and water your fucking garden
Also I like how this poor artist wastes her money on Fuji water when they sell pic related(3 liter) for a dollar at Walmart
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Idealizes suicide? Really Holly?
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Scientists have predicted what Holly's art will look like in the future and it's beautiful.
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I should be working but this is more fun
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I agree that she shouldn't have to hide her own scars, but saying this while drawing a character who's all about being a greasy edgelord who cuts himself makes me chuckle.
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these are wonderful, anon, you inspire me
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hush, it's not cluttering the thread. a few threads ago when it was just 'look at her terrible characters in my superior style'! yeah that sucked, but this is hate art. people do the same for the onision/momokun threads, but it's drawings of them; holly's art is more of a point of ridicule than her IRL face, so hate art is of her art.
imo posting just to whine "these posts are cluttering the thread" is the penultimate example of doing just that.
i tried to make >>598529
wide for comedic effect and i think this is actually better
I'm a raging fujo and even I think this looks fucking awful and a boring overused concept, plus her drawing style ruins any attempt at porn trying to be erotic. The way she draws reminds me a lot of Tom Preston/Andrew Dobson and to be fair she's pretty much the female equivalent of him. >>600836
I spit out my drink anon, thanks a lot
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The logo for the zine was bothering me, so I tried to fix it in photoshop. Took five minutes. This isn't my greatest work, but it's still better than Holly's.
Yes, I took the transparent bnha logo from google.
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seriously, all of her recent faces are improved just by stretching them horizontally. the top one looks like the original is the edit.>>601207>i am the fun police, how dare you expect me to scroll past 3 comments in a thread that give someone else positive attention, i must shit it up now
Anon these are visual shitposts, not tryhards trying to get asspats. Logo anon is probably kinda tryhard but it's just a logo, so chill.>>601218
I really don't know why Holly draws faces so long. First it was just long chins, but now the entire face is like a straight line. Maybe it's related to her art lean in that she tilts her canvas too far back and draws what she think looks correct from her viewing angle. Also, she probably thinks longer face=more masculine=more fuckable.
It really bugs me how she draws adam's apples as very defined "U"s on their necks. They just look like flaps.
Lmao the adams apples are fish gills. >>601212
She's making such a big deal out of it like she's a middle schooler "TEE HEE guys oh NOOO look at me I'm making NAUGHTY YAOI ART, but it's just for MONEYYY haha! It's just a short project! omg I can't believe I'mdoing this. I don't normally
And her teen followers are eating it up because they think she's being so 'fringe and edgy'. The majority of artists I know personally and that I follow, who do NSFW art are usually chill. It's bodies. And if she actually did
her studies, it wouldn't be a big deal…She wouldn't be so dramatic about it to try to cover up the fact that she doesn't even have the basics down.
She's so insecure that she always feels the need to put on airs when she talks about drawing a fucking dick and she needs to get over herself but prolly won't.
The twist we weren't expecting, Holly's characters are all secretly fish people>>601237
This, though. It's like someone's drawing their favorite naughty gay characters in the back of a classroom. Holly's what, 22 now?
What I wanna know is why she thinks she can make more money with porn when her audience is mostly underage.
She can't sell to them, and no new fans will come to buy her nsfw content since it just looks bad.
Are you implying that she'd get in even without porn attached to her name? I'd say drawing porn is less of an offense than some of the stunts she's already pulled.
Mainly needlessly insulting other artists and acting like a cocky know-it-all. There have been animators who openly draw NSFW and still get in the industry. I don't know if it's as extreme as car boot gay date rape, lol.
Honestly, nobody I've encountered gives a single fuck if you draw porn. I remember a lot of animators I know didn't care about the whole "Rebecca Sugar Ed Edd n Eddy porn" thing because… well, what artist hasn't drawn weird porn at any point?
The funny part about Holly is that one: she's acting like it's the biggest deal ever to draw porn, and two: it's really really bad.
I feel violated and full of cringe
I legitimately couldn't cringe harder when she played the foot lettuce meme
she has literally 39 subs, i wonder how many holly weeaboos will subscribe her just because her leader says
also wtf with that fucking background sound
That’s a popular fan commentary on YouTube. She’s just regurgitating shit she’s heard, I’m sure, like she does for art.>>601391
Someone please give that more context so it’s not so soul crushing. Please. Like she was saying “things bad owners say about their dogs” or something
Geez what a bitch, why doesn't she put the poor thing down if he so old he's incontinent?
She's absolutely horrible or just constantly putting her foot in her mouth on accident (not likely)
Dobson is a dick but it is obvious he has some knowledge of art.
Holly on the other hand really doesn't seem like she knows what she is doing and just brute forces her way through projects without learning anything.
I'm pretty sure the dog isn't hers/it belongs to her Aunt.>>601448
Holly is definitely just drawing porn because she wants to and not because she sincerely believes she can make a ton of money off it. But hey, maybe I'm wrong, maybe Holly thinks she can become the next Koogi. >>601506
Meh, I'm glad Holly is friends with the romanian girl again, they deserve each other.
No, that was the second friend. Not the Romanian girl.
But I do think Romanian girl is using her so I can agree with that second part.
Wow, the lineart from Holly is so bad. Like there is absolutely no composition and the whole thing looks so wonky.
Not going to lie but the flats from the Romanian girl that Holly posted on her channel looked nice until Holly went in and ruined it with her coloring. Why does Holly have to saturate everything with that ugly piss filter? Someone should post that video too.
The versions I’ve heard are basically implying that for diamond ages PD was underage and the equivalent of a kid, not that the cavemen were new or mentally impaired. Guess Holly got it wrong, or there’s this other version that doesn’t make any sense to me, in some internet commentary.
I hate how she colours and how she brags about knowing about colours. Are you fucking BLIND, BRown?
She wants to get into animation and she’s implying that SU has sexual underage themes…clearly she doesn’t want to get hired. This will pop up with her name - including the comments about the nsfw rape comics she wants to make
Holly what are you doing???
I don't think she really
wants to get into animation. she switched her focus from california to Portland, remember? maybe she figured out that it's going to take WORK to unfuck her online presence and getting hired in animation wasn't happening any time soon.
This is a disaster, she is a disaster, she should never have undertaken something like this and blaming the technology on her not being able to communicate with the artists is lazy. Being the manager of this project means she should be at it full time to make sure everything runs smoothly but no she's so busy with her other quick money schemes she can't handle it.
Holly is an absolute wreck and o can't wait to see this atrocious zine with limited copies.
She said in previous videos that she aims to have this fanzine as an effortless book to bring at the con.
She would probably end up having only this and her first purgatory book, which is hilarious because she wanted to bring
Paranormal plague 1
Plus shit I can’t remember right now.
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First of all, ew. Second why does she say idk so much?? Drives me crazy.
Holly boys crotches are not like that. Also you can’t have the jeans on one side like that without some kind of wrinkle and you don’t pull out your leg so easily to just have one leg completely naked if you’re struggling. You should have pulled out all of the jeans and give him some balls and penis and a proper pelvis.
Wasn’t she against microns? Thought they were crappy and she wanted to build the definitive one.
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… I'm…pretty sure the small line between the mouth and hand is the indication of a bulge. how horrible.
My assumption is that greasekid just ate the entire dick or cut it off. How's he supposed to know how oral sex works? Who would willingly sleep with this character and give him any sort of experience at all?
Irony aside, this is just beyond terrible. I feel sorry for anyone who would find this sexy.
the hershchel dude looks confused and weirded out lmao. i'm pretty sure people don't make that face when they're in a consensual sexual situation.
this is just so unsettling. and the crotch is so incorrect. just. no.
lmao hershel's flips are at maximum capacity here
also does she not pencil sketch before going in with the pen?
Ok phantom dick aside, is his hand teleporting through the other guy’s leg? This whole thing is so visually confusing. Where’s the other pant leg? Where’s his underwear? Where’s the other guys other hand? Where’s his happy trail? His hip bones? Why is the licking guy looking so unsexy? Who is going to fap to this? Who is going to spend money on this??
I have so many questions.
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And what is this hair?? A reverse mullet? Bangs down to his chin which defy gravity?
Okay but is Reese's mouth on Hershey's mons pubis or what??? Not to brag (/s) but I've had sex with a man before and I can't really envision a man enjoying that? Feels like it was drawn by someone who
1. Doesn't know how sex works
2. Doesn't know how sex btwn 2 men works.
Wew ladies, we are in for a treat.
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benefit of the doubt: maybe she purposefully is omitting the dick until the last moment so she can post WIPs like this without them being technically NSFW in her mind. stupid idea because like someone else pointed out, this really looks like lesbian porn from just panel 2, but maybe?
I'm SCREAMING it's so bad it's unreal. why does Hershey have a vagina? where the fuck is acne kid's hand coming from? what are these constipated expressions? has Holly ever seen 2 people interact sexually outside of some shitty Dorito chin doujins? why are the hair flips getting worse?
I have so many damn questions. imagine being this blind to your art.
This is not the lower body of a "beefboy" fully grown man. This is the lower body of a soft young woman.
Have you ever seen a man's belly button that looked like that? Have you ever seen a man's hips connect to a thigh like that? Even skinny men have muscle definitiin. They aren't like women where they become kinda long and soft… you would be able to see their muscles and some vascularity… and did I mention he's as bald as a newborn baby? Yeah Holly… a hunky Latino guy with NO HAIR BELOW THE EYEBROWS…
anon knows that, the navel is too close to the crotch. i can't imagine how you think anon was seeing it
I'm laughing because she captioned it with something about micron pens and i thought she was saying he has a micropenis and it's so small you can't even see it because she used 'tiny lines'
You're not alone. It's interesting how it humanizes her.
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you know whats a little rude tho?
Ignoring asks, emails, and tweets asking about whats going on with the zine???
I only found out i have a week to finish my page and I only found out cause of the tweet about cutting people out of the book and the email that went out this week saying submissions were due??? out of nowhere??? after NOT GETTING AN EMAIL SINCE I WAS ACCEPTED???? like? fuck? its been MONTHS.
USE THE ZINE TUMBLR TO POST DUE DATES JUST IN CASE OF THIS PROBLEM NEXT TIME
I really don't want to after finding out how bad she is and about this drama associated with her. I had never heard of her before this zine and I only applied cause it was BNHA.
She said she will be paying us but how many cents am i actually going to get while she probably lies about how many copies sold and sells it at cons till the BNHA hype is all done? I feel used.
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i mean both arent great but uh
at least these guys have normal sized necks and clothes that look good.
Holly is SO bad at character design. All her characters look so same-y
That fucking anatomy, oh my god.
This is going to be so bad, I'm shaking with excitement
She's comparing her art to this? It's laughable and not anywhere near similar. >>603566
One would hope one the zine is complete artists will come out with pros and cons of being part of it. If not outright obliterate her then at least warn others in the future to proceed with caution when working with Holly.
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SHE IS TRULY DELUSIONAL LOOOOOL
Damn, the guy that is chained up looks like he's smuggling a lit spliff inside his arm pit.
also where are his shoulders
She was basically:
>justifying why she 'has to' make smut for money, using Lucid's patreon and comic as a reference
>shits on people who have to work part time instead of making art by basically implying that she works harder than someone who has a part time job
>literally says her art is comparable to Lucids, and then shows their art vs hers (and it literally was a stark difference)
>discusses her weight loss situation
i forget what else but that's what I can remember, any other anons can add on to it.
Probably both, tbh, maybe she realized how bad she stepped in it, esp. with the Lucid thing. She really has her head that far up her ass that she'd say that.
Reminder that she doesn't care about art, just that she wants money because she thinks NSFW= instant money.
But like, you can make money from a SFW story just as much, but either way it has to be good
and…none of her stories are really any good.
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Whining as always over her own stupidity. She didn't 'just'say she looked up to Lucid's art, she showed outright how arrogant and greedy she was thinking she could make thousands from a porn comic like one of her idols does. An idol who I'm sure takes their work more seriously than Holly actually does.
Of course you're going to get called out when you try to compare your basic bitch smut and lack of anatomy to somebody who knows what the fuck they're doing and actually cares about the medium. And then to say that the only reason Lucid makes more money is because she has 400 pages of comics out…
What did she ever expect would happen? That people would give her asspats and be like "oh yes lord Holly you're so good"? Bragging about something you don't have gets you nowhere.
Everyone is kind of overreacting to Holly on this one.
She did compare her artwork to Lucid's and say she thought their skill level is similar. Obviously we can all disagree with that, but…
We have all probably looked at an artist making decent wages and thought "I could do that too, my art is fairly similar (or better)."
I know I'm guilty of that, and I don't mean anything malicious when I say it. I don't even know if it is true or not, but I say or think it anyway.
So I'm not going to demonize her for that.
Also, I'm still mildly surprised she is financially supporting an artist that isn't herself. She said she gives 15 a month to Lucid. She said she admired her, and liked her work, and all of that.
She even bought some of her merch, which is more than I can say about any artist I've ever thought similar things about.
And she also told everyone to go check her out because she's awesome.
So, she wasn't shitting on Lucid the way she normally shits on people, and I think on this one, people might be overreacting.
Just my opinion though.
Isn't that the reason we're here though, to give her grief and shit on her? I get what you're saying I think it's just kinda lost on this crowd.
I sincerely do hope she can find the thing that works for her and if it ends up being Patreon that's good, but if she doesn't see an instant influx of patrons I think she'll just throw it away like everything else that's not a cash cow. Like Purgatory, the rest of that tweet says she threw it away because it wasn't making her money anymore.
Also, nitpick but the way she say's the books name pisses me off.
I can agree. She's way too quick to dump projects to start new ones. I think she should own up to the fact that she's really just throwing different things at a wall to see what sticks, because she's not really into building a strong foundation for success.
she's basing her success on the supposition that if she does what she thinks makes money, she'll have that instant gratification she's always craving…
Making NSFW comics does not just translate into making $10k, especially if it's not particularly interesting nsfw. ('interesting' and 'good' are separate things. People buy/support shitty nsfw art all the time because it interests them).
Holly does not make interesting work. She's more of an 'ideas' person, and those ideas may interest people, but she lacks the discipline to carry out those ideas and bring them into their fullest potential, because of her addiction to the instant gratification of money. It gets in the way of her taking the time to improve her art, or to make it interesting.
And the worst thing about it is the feedback loop she's in with her followers who give her asspats, she wouldn't consider any other criticisms. followers don't translate into money, necessarily, either…
Sage for long blurb…
I guess that isn't why I'm here. I'm here to watch her get called out for things she deserves to be called out on. Like what you just said about her not seeing an instant influx she'll jut throw it away like everything else.
She will likely do that. History has proven that.
And if all her projects are simply to make money, she will never finish anything, and if you never finish anything you'll never make money so… she's just going to be in a constant loop of disappointment and failure probably!
Exactly, yes some people are harsh I agree, but it's because she's constantly doing this sort of thing and it frustrates everyone.
I'll be honest, as mean as I am about her I want her to succeed somehow, to understand that people who give criticism aren't bashing her. If she'll just take some tips be it for youtube, Patreon or her art she'd improve.
Sadly she's too interested in being right and if she takes that criticism that her fans say she shouldn't because she explains it as bashing her, she'll be a hypocrite, which she already is, but I suppose she doesn't want to have another reason to be one.
she's going on about "if you're worried about making a comic with perfect art, its gonna take 10 years to make where i'll only spend 2 years"
yeah, it'd take 10 years if they were working with YOUR level of skill to make a comic with "perfect art"
actual, talented, skilled professionals can pump out art with 10x better quality at the same pace or even faster than you, so stop trying to justify your mediocre art, BRown
This. I mean the most basic thing she could do is make her character designs interesting, but she fails even on that. All of her characters are basically chins with drab palette swaps and small detail tweaks. Every single one has the same stupid DreamWorks face, with drab colour schemes and hair flips. The only reason people find acne cutter boy interesting because it's a slight departure from her normal character template. His design isn't good by any means, but it's a bit different. Her art isn't eye catching and her characters are very boring and unappealing. She's already failing step one.
Shitty art can be saved by a good story - just look at that webcomic "Not a Villain," it had HORRIBLE art in the beginning. But the story drew people in. Holly isn't a good or consistent storyteller so no one cares about her stuff. Couldn't tell you what Purgatory was about and Paranormal or whatever has like 5 pages that she hyped to death and gave up (but is still trying to cash in on it with these shitty porn comics).
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This is what she did for the zine?
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now if only it would stay consistent across all her projects
The anatomy on the right one is still a bit wonky. Still better than her usual stuff.
I hate the one im the center. Why doesnt she realize that all that pointless detail makes the picture look really busy and distracting?
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Screenshot from the video she posted on twitter. The way she draws clothes and folds frustrates me, wtf is that line going down his right leg?
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I know it's from an old video, but… it gave me nightmares
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Thats so fugly
what kind of boat is this guy driving that he can comfortably stick a ~big beefy man~ in the trunk without having to fold up completely?>>604193
she draws what she thinks she knows instead of what she sees. it's super obvious that all her pose books are more for a quick glance than an actual reference.
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Got something for you guys lol
HWAT THE HELL IS THAT?
Oh my god it's like a friggin wrinkly slim jim!
Ugh, chirst. Everything is NO here, the dick, how it's attached, the pubic hair and goddamn paw hand, c'mon holly, hands can be incredibly erotic when drawn right.
THE TRAGEDY BEGINS
I can't wait to see the actual fucking, this is going to be glorious
at least look at medical ref of penises if you're uncomfortable with looking at photos…and where are his balls lol>>604855
yes! I can't believe she was bitching at her artists and she only finished her zine lineart today wtf
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a few more snippets, can't show much but it's a real hoot. There's a whip.
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Could she have made the character not have fish gills? I get she wants to be more "realistic" with beauty standards by having a guy with acne, but that shits gross when you're doing a porn lol like they don't cast people with gross skin because it's to get you off not have you distracted by the blemishes on their face
why she do this
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anyone got a reupload of this vlog she posted yesterday or did she delete too fast
Oh my god I can’t believe she’s doing it.
In the previous vlog she creamed her pants over saspie’s works because it was insane that her pages were traditional while looking digital, and now she’s saying she has this skill and basically everybody is amazed by it? Fucking who?
Also quick note: this shows how much of an amateur eye Holly has, since saspie is fully capable of working both ways but CHOOSES to use traditional because of the feel it gives to the lines, I mean a clean line work doesn’t equate to digital but in holly’s Mind that’s it.
It bothers me that right after discovering that artist she jumps back on doing traditional and wants to make a video about it like she discovered some huge secret or something. Her inking is so bad, dear god. At least try and learn to do some things properly before wanting to teach others. Is that so hard to understand?
But of course she must have some problems with her eyes or some delusions because she STILL thinks she would get “the same grades” of Lucid if it was about school and she still thinks they are at the same level. I don’t even like lucid but compared to Holly they’re fucking Michelangelo.
And oh wow who would have thought that smooth paper was best for inking? Mmmm yeah you’re totally a genius, go girl.
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New version of sticker sheet from her newest vlog.
>"More ballsy with colors.."
>"Spread out legs to give definition to vag."
>"anatomy makes more sense" for the sliced up and cut in half girl
>"neck of decapitated girl use to be too thick"
Holly really doesn't like women, lmao. Like, in context, all she really cares about is her shitty fujo yaoi obsession and then when she draws women they're almost always either a self insert or depicted like this, all chopped up. I know guro is a thing or w/e but there's something about the things she draws as a whole that says more about her than she thinks.
Or maybe it's just me.
yeah i can agree w/that I mean she has said on multiple occasions that she doesn't really identify with other women.
She sure as shit doesn't do enough deliberate practice drawing either sex, so…
Still shitty art.
She doesn't even so guro right, it's supposed to be 'aesthetic', what she's done isn't even decent gore, it's cringy emo vent art at best.
And really, cat ears? Looks stupid enough without them.
I can't believe she had no idea that smooth was good for ink, has she been using watercolor paper or something? How do you not know what bristol board is when you both used ink for years AND worked at Micheals?
And that same grade thing is stupid, that's like saying "If I were in school with Da Vinci, we would both get similar grades!" Like, bitch, that's the exact same thing as saying you're just as good as them! Are you a moron?
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what do you guys think of this ?
1. Holly i think that your art teacher wasnt bitching but was mad that your studies are so stilized to the point that you are learning nothing lol
2. Being nice in your critiques can be helpfull, just dont sugar coat it
3. LMAO IS SHE STUPID? LOL like… look in a mirror
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so im pretty sure this guy's tweet thread is the one that started it
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Two posts from that thread
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One more, someone linked her artist mistakes video in the thread. This comment was too funny not to post
>>605676>accepting mistakes and being less direct will only mean he is wasting my time
Of course, knowing that you do and will always have something to improve on in art is healthy and vital to learning, but "accepting mistakes" stops people from spiraling and resigning themselves to failure just because they aren't god-tier within five months of drawing. The "my art is fucking garbage"/"I genuinely hate my art" way of thinking is such a plague and stunts so many people's growth. I hate that she's propagating it further to an audience of really young artists.
Holly is so frustrating to watch, cause you can definitely see how she punishes herself with this "failure is unacceptable" attitude (even if it doesn't reflect her output) when it's crippling her actual ability to draw when she refuses to experiment and thinks there's only one path to success or skill.
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How did her art get so bad?? How can she look at her new shit and think it's an improvement, I'm just dumbfounded.
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I thought her style like 3 years ago was okay but now shes a bitter asshole so i just can't stand her. Plus look at some of the necks on these characters
why are they SO LOOOOOOOOOONG?
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seriously this is starting to mess with me, does something about her output squish images?
I'm glad I wasn't the only one seeing it!
She has anime influences. It's not a bad thing, but she seems to…try and hide it? It's why the hair flips look so bad. Anime can make them work. She cannot
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yeah i also liked her older stuff, it had obvious mistakes but atleast it was interesting, i could get over them and enjoy some of her suff.
Also i know that this is a personal opinion but how the fuck is the second one more fuckable? he looks like he goes to the gym but is scared of mouses
and … what a tangent holly kek
There is something horribly wrong with that dick. Oh my lord.>>605925
… That chin beats out the Kaiba memes
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I still can't get over that vagina armpit
The real tragedy here is that she was too lazy/scared to make a discord for the zine, that would've been so fuckin' milky. But she just really wants to be as hands-off as possible. Handling art submissions from 100+ artists to assemble 500 copies of a for-profit zine clearly
isn't a priority to her.
I can’t believe it’s been 7 threads and she hasn’t changed at all.
Most cows at least go through a renewal phase when the hate gets to them or their reputation is shattered, holly just keeps going without change or improvement.
It’s like we’re documenting a spiral of what art school does to autism
I know that chick has some kind of odd sexuality thing going on (fujoshit yet might be gay or something?) but I can hardly imagine a worse person doing a porn comic because there's no way in hell she understands what makes something erotic. She thinks sexual content=erotic. I know it's a 'doujin' and the only porn she's ever seen has probably been doujins, but she obviously has no clue on how to make something sexy
. I'm not an artist or a fujoshit but a dude suckin a dick in itself isn't sexy, maybe use facial expressions and body language to convey one characters desire for another, overwhelming lust, especially on the tied up guy, his conflict, not wanting to like it but confused that he is, frightened of his own response and desire, sweating, writhing, anything. Instead hey're so stiff it looks almost painful.
She's like the least sexy person on the planet, probably thinks 'they're dudes banging so it's hot right?'
I think you're spot on, anon, she doesn't seem to have the capability, writing or art wise, for porn.
With what we've seen of her writing in stuff like Purgatory, she has little to no ability to show emotion in her characters beyond annoyance or aggravation, even during really tense scenes (like when Simon got attacked by the teacher, he looked mildly upset and that was it, or when Simon's dad found out Simon was gay, it was very nonchalant). Not to mention, her art is so stiff in general that I couldn't imagine her trying to do something as complicated as using microexpressions or actual body language without text, which I always thought was the largest part of the actual 'porn' part of doujins (since text keeps the reader from looking at the actual wank material).
There's no way this WON'T be a train wreck.
I feel that she thinks showing uncensored dicks means her doujin is like 100 times better for some reason. Like dude, sure jp and kr porn is censored, but they still manage to make there sex scenes look like… sex scenes. From the panels I've seen, Holly dear, it looks like you don't know what looks arousing and just straight up gross.
saged for ranting
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>>606972>you don't know what looks arousing and just straight up gross
Seriously, look at this >>604885
it is fucking grotesque. It actually looks like it's meant
to repulse the reader.
I'm somehow anticipating this train wreck and really terrified at the same time.
I have the same issue. I know if I started drawing comics, they'd end up the same or worse as holly's. The thing is, you have to mess up in order to improve. If you never make and learn from mistakes, you never improve.
This is where holly struggles. She claims to be a professional yet does not learn. She makes beginner mistakes with a poor attitude to boot. As long as you are willing to make mistakes and take criticism, you probably won't end up like holly
saged for ot
She seems to like Holly, admires her, actually be her friend somehow, who the fuck knows why but I know for sure that'll be one godawful looking table.
I've always got a morbid fascination with how hideous art gets so popular.
Her art is hideous, it's going to be a clusterfuck.
I sure as shit can't watch this vlog though because she keeps slapping everything and shaking her hand and waving the camera frantically and it's givin me motion sickness.
She's not as bad as holly, but her being friends with her says a lot.
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She does LGBT+ art for her tumblr friends. Isn’t Holly borderline alt right and anti-snowflakes?
I don't think Holly is legit borderline alt-right, she just likes to have the edgiest and controversial opinions so she's super special.
I think it's partial sympathy, Holly has near 0 legit good friends. Also, this disaster person could be latching on for a bit of fame. She doesn't have much milk herself save for her art being ugly.
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This is one of the zine participants. It's the only one so far that I think looks fuckin' good. Shame they will hardly get paid tho.
Wow! that's actually really nice, I'm eager to see the rest of the participants
It really is a shame for them to get deal with Holly tho, zines are supposed to be fun
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yeah I'm surprised how good they made the colors look too ^. I've tried to look for more zine uploads, using the hashtag truecolorszine only six/seven results came up. Do you think they're all on tumblr or insta? You would think they'd be more. This artist did yaoi
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I kinda like these.
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^ zine participant, as well as this one. Will it actually help with exposure, I kinda doubt it.
Not to be rude but all these submissions look mad generic. I mean I guess they are better than Holly's stuff but that's a really low bar to pass. >>607423
I'm kind of happy they are all different sizes. That means Holly is going to actually have to put in some work before she can screw everyone over and steal the profits.
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Another zine partcipant.
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MICHIE IS THE WORST. Let me break it down for you—
-Wants 10,000 dollars from strangers to fund her and Cody's wedding that they just can never seem to save up for.
So sad, but lets see what we see in this vlog in particular:
-Buys an airplane ticket to go to San Japan so she can sit next to good ol' Holly BRown (and probably sell nothing)
-Buys new "work glasses" (computer glasses?) because an eye doctor told her she has CVS (not the store)
-Needs to go shopping
-Preordered the Vampyir game or whatever (I dont have money for games, so I don't know what anything is) (PS, not good for that eye strain boo)
-Bought a few watercolor sketch books
-Bought an art book she HAS ALWAYS WANTED (IT WAS ON SALE GUYS, but please send me 10k for my wedding we deserve boohoo)
- Cody owns some vintage cars, one 77. He races. Why not sell one of your vintage cars so that you can pay for your own wedding? HM.
But at least their family is finally chipping in to help the wedding now that "they've seen completely random people care enough to donate".
But the gofundme will still be going until July, in case you guys want to chip in towards that 10k she needs for her wedding!!
UGH, point is, her and Holly are perfect friends.
Wow I had no idea Mitchie was like this. 10k for a wedding??? And you expect ppl just to give it to you??
She says she spends up to 4-12 hours working each day… doing what tho.
They do seem very alike tbh.
Yeah I think you're right anon can't get to the pdf rip.
She doesn't seem as bad as Holly. I mean other than the e-begging for wedding expenses none of these things seem particularly bad? Also, if she is doing commissions for the wedding money or something like that then none of these things are actually bad.
San Japan is a reasonable work expense since I'm assuming art is her main source of income.
Work glasses also seem like a reasonable work expense if she really does need to protect her eyes.
Shopping and the Vampyir game are meh but I mean its not wrong to buy a few nice things for yourself. Same with the art book and sketch books.
Honestly as long as she isn't guilt tripping viewers into paying for her wedding I don't see how this girl is a cow. >>607431
San Japan is 8/31-9/2
You obviously don't follow Michie enough if you think these things.
But she doesn't do commissions to fund the wedding, that is just to fund their regular expenses, and I doubt it's funding much, given how she farts around a lot, and they're living with her parents because they can't financially survive on their own right now. EVEN THOUGH Cody works.
Secondly I doubt San Japan is going to net her enough to make it worth the cost of going, and not working on her regular commissions.
Thirdly, a lot of people can't afford to just get work glasses. But she can afford to do that, while still begging for money.
Fourthly the Vampyir game was probably close to 80 bucks or something, that very well should have gone into a savings for a wedding you made a video CRYING AND SOBBING about, because it means SO much to you and you and your fiance just keep getting knocked down. Especially if you have the nerve to ask for 10k for a wedding.
Like just go get married at the court house, sorry.
And she absolutely does guilt trip, shit on people, and do other questionable things.
So really, in my book, she is definitely a cow.
She has even shit on people for NOT HAVING SAVINGS. And how shitty you are for that. Even one of her friends, she shit on.
While turning around and not having savings herself. And cry begging in a video that was kind of guilty.
I guess we're just going to disagree about this though!
PS: This is only what we know she has bought and spent through a few days of vlogging, but theres probably tons more.
And I've known a lot of poor people and none of them own their own vintage cars lol. And if I wanted to get married and have a 10k wedding SO BAD I'd be ready to sell a car before I asked people to fund it for me.
Anon, are you sure his car is an Aston Martin one 77?
The production run began in 2010 and the final car was delivered in August 2012.
Out of the 77 cars built, only nine are right-hand drive. With a broad palette of paint and trim colours, no two One-77s are alike, though options were limited to special metals for the switchgear: gold (£40,000), dark chrome (£30,000) or ruthenium (£15,000).
The original list price was £1.05 million plus local taxes, but this rose to £1.15m in 2011, which for a UK buyer meant £1.38m once the VAT was added. http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/aston-martin/one-77
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zine participant, wtf
It's all good anon, but you're right tho vintage cars go for a lot
Huh didn't really know all this about Michie, does she have her own board?>>607461
I think that's part of the original character design.
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That's just how he looks. His design is pretty goofy.
450dpi so not too outrageous.
We still don't know how pay works. That's half the reason my work isn't exactly inspired. It was a 30 minute piece because doing the math, I could only imagine $150 in a best case scenario.
It's probably best to put this info in the general youtube artist page. She's sadly not terribly milky to justify one of her own but she certainly has her downfalls, more than I realized.
She's definitely got a bigger ego than most when it comes to art. Check out her and her friend's commission and social media tips vids, in either one or both they're drooling over Holly saying she can do certain things because she's popular, it's definitely an issue now that I think about it.
God I can't stand her art….It's SO dopey. She seems to get brought up on Holly threads every so often, but I don't think she's milky enough to warrant her own thread. I've talked to her a few times and she's not really as insufferable as Holly is. Though, I can see why she'd be friends with her.
The only reason she's popular is because she runs with better artists/more popular ppl over on FA and DA.
Also, just to stay on topic about the Zine, I'm not sure if it'd make a difference if sharing the pieces or not would be right, because it isn't like the artists will be making any money off it anyhow. They should do what the participating anon here does and just retouch their art with actual good colors and sell it as a print separate from the zine. I really hope Holly gets shit for this mess she made, all just because she was jealous and mad she didn't get into an FMA zine.
TwistedDisaster's art is dopey looking but its leagues better than Holly's average stuff. I'm just sitting here waiting with popcorn for her to eventually turn on Holly and post a stupid rant video on Holly.
In fact I'm just waiting for the shit to hit the ceiling with the zine. There is surprisingly not a lot of rants about Holly outside of this forum.
God, I totally forgot this is all because she didn't get into a zine. She also thinks this is a great way to make money.
Get ready for some autism because I just did a rough breakdown of time based on her book printing video.
Printing (16 - 42 hours) - 25-45 pages/minute is standard for a laser printer in colour. 2-5 minutes/book.
2. Trim edge (2 hours) - At assumed double speed this took her 6 seconds. So 12 seconds/book.
3. Cut glue strips - (2 hours) - Not shown so assume 12 seconds/book
4. Laminate covers - (3.5 hours) It takes 10 seconds for each cover to go in at double speed but she also does two covers at once. Plus 15 to pouch the covers and then cut them free.
5. Fold covers and attach glue strips (2 hours) - Not filmed and grant her 15 seconds
6. Bind books (8.5 hours) Her binding machine take 1 minute to bind
7. Cool - (6 hours 15 minutes) She holds the book for 35 seconds the smooths it for 10 seconds.
8. Trim - (6 hours) Same as the first edge but three times.
That is 24.5 - 50.5 hours of passive tasks to manage and about 22 hours of active tasks.
Next, let’s assume that she’s selling the books at a similar price to her Sketches Book, so $25. If all 500 books get sold that’s a grand total of $12,500 which is then divided 106 ways, $117/artist.
Minimum wage where she lives is $7.25. If she worked 22-72.5 hours at minimum wage she would have earned $159 - $526.
This is Holly’s get rich quick scheme. And I didn’t even factor in cost of material, or the fact that she hasn't made back any start-up costs.
This is the worst 'get rich quick' scheme to come up with though. There's nothing 'quick' about it.She's looking for low effort though, but even then, her doing all the manual binding (assuming she won't be doing it a different way) and formatting is anything but that.
this also doesn't take into account misprints and fuck ups, margins for errors that she'll more than likely be making, and I genuinely feel bad for the artists work being put in her greedy incapable hands.
Hot damn this is making me even more excited for the outcome. She can't just let it evaporate in the hopes people forget like Clever Kitchen since this trash fire has over a hundred other people involved.
Is there an official/estimated release date for the zine?