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Holly Brown is an artist YouTuber who specializes in hypocrisy, terrible anatomy and most importantly starting projects she can never finish.
Youtube (Vlog Channel): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgeEynuhGskPjgNR5DjbZmw/feed
Her Website: https://www.hollycbrown.com/
Her Store: http://hollybrown.storenvy.com/#_=_
The CalArts Rant she is known for:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvnD-9XOs5k
>22-year-old freelancer artist who does youtube, lives with her mom (aunt), and runs an online store>She hates her brother and constantly sperges about him whenever she gets a chance. Was known to keep bashing him on a live stream once (way after he went away)>Takes on too many projects at once, then complains about it afterwards>Constantly bitches on twitter>Is a big hypocrite, the type to give advice and then do the total opposite>Thinks she is a professional hardworking artist when in reality she is a stay at home slob who can never finish anything>Shits on other artists>Always talks about how she doesn't have money and how ""poor"" she is but is constantly seen (and broadcast on Twitter/social media) buying unnecessary items>When she buys said items, she brags about how great they are, then is known to disregard them (usually sell them) about a week or so after using them>Always talks about trying to earn money from various art projects, but it never works>Cant take criticism to save her life, she will usually respond with something passive or aggressive or blame it on her style.>Is a complete FUJO, but yet complains about Fujoshis, a total hypocrite>Hates women and just wants to draw "teh gays">Has no friends and is cooped up inside her house. Her room is very filthy.>Cant spell or write for shit. Has terrible grammar anything she writes is confusing. (Also goes and shits on people for not knowing how to spell)>Has a terrible personality in general>Wasted 83 artists' time by attempting to put together a BNHA zine, and constantly complaining about the work she created herself instead of answering e-mails
Previously:>San Japan prep quickly goes awry due to poor time managment>Holly makes it to San Japan with less stock than intended, but still takes over most of her shared booth>Displays her poorly drawn porn front and center and only censors her display copy with stickers, complains on twitter about being told to take it down>Makes no money compared to her expenses pre-con>"Idk guys, I might not do as many cons now, too much drama">Decides to make more terrible "gay shit" instead, this time about sex slaves (it's not rape, my dudes)>Finally posts an apology about her poor managment on the zine, but still decides to keep printing them at home instead of using a printing service>Lets her ass hang all the way out in a livestream with TwistedDisaster where she tackles fun, family-friendly topics such as religion and rape for her teen audience (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMZohx1MLIU)
>Projects List: Hamilton Animatic, Clever Kitchen, Convention Stuff, Paranormal Plague, Purgatory (redrawing/inking), BNHA themed zine
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Hoggly is very active on twitter right now, this is one of the newer posts. Oh, and she said there was going to be "a lot of flashbacks" in PP, so it looks like she might actually do the cutting thing soon (if she gets to chapter two.) This is going to be painful.
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i know we talk a lot about her art devolving but wow, this is the perfect example and at top-speed turnaround. it's like she went out of her comfort zone just a little on the right side, then redid everything to be 'safer' but actually more wooden and harder to read. the difference in the girl sitting in the middle panel (the most zoomed out one where you can see her legs) is the most telling, look at how much stiffer and more sterile her pose becomes. hershey's face in the last panel goes from a clear (albeit unnecessarily dramatic) expression to him making the same face i am trying to understand why she changed all this shit for the worse.
also that stupid hair flap in last row 2nd panel looks like its supposed to be an anime glare at first, jfc
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imagine not having thought after years of art that you don't need to draw all the individual bricks
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Hes looming over the rape victim
They both look like shit, especially the last panel. What the hell kind of awkward angle is that? Save the Dutch angles for fight scenes, not casual conversations in diners wtf
I guess the colored one is slightly better, despite the constipated expressions. The hands in the b&w one are worse, and the textures on the chairs are busy and distracting. The dude's hair in the left one looks more like a dead bird than hair.
The b&w is seriously the new one? I thought it was the old one jfc
how is this a male… even leaving aside the collarbone that is where cleavage should be…
You can't just draw a female neck with no adams apple and put a fucking choker pretending it's hiding it
They both look like a couple of basement dwelling cat ladies, and Holly's got some strong crazy eyes going on. Would it kill ya to put on some makeup before going on camera?>>686431
He's a KAWAII yaoi uke boi anon, duh. A can only be a +
if he's been boiled down to a flat-chested girl with a penis.
I thought this was a before+after, not after+before.
The only things I prefer are Hersh's face (not hair) in the 1st and final panels. Ash's hair squiggle at increased size looks like a giant sperm. That, Hersh's hair, and the stiff legs in the zoomed out shot all made me think it was the "before.">>686411
I actually don't hate this but I agree with what anons have pointed out about it, too. Maybe it's just that this is the least-hideous picture I've seen of Reese (probably in large part due to the lack of coloring and the bridge).
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The weird lumpy ass and unusual amount of hair squiggles are nice touches.
Hershel looks worse than ever, I didn't think I'd ever want the chins back but here we are. >>686288
If she wants the comic to be b/w then it's better to redo imo, the previous lines wouldn't have matched.
poor ash with those huge hands that look like john arbuckle's hands.
She also doesn't make sense in 3d - unless she only has one boob
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Tbh I like this style more, anatomy aside, it looks more “refined” (in lack of a better word” and lively.
No your right anon. Hollys previous depictions of Princess always had her grimicing or looking like she is about to sneeze all the time.
I still cant get over Ash's ass though! Like it deadass looks triangular. Holly managed to fuck up the most easiest pose ever!
I can completely forgive Holly's lack of anatomy and perspective if she did more lively drawings like this.
They look like they have a hint of personality.
This doesn’t really match up at all, I love manga that can pull off that serious/realistic style and can use tones like this and pull off the look, Holly just can his looks horrible together>>686492
Well Holly is working on her anatomy but it’s still horrible, and still wonky as fuck. Like her style has changed to a more cartoony look but her lines got worse, hips, arms and hands don’t work like that and wtf is with their hair?
I wouldn’t be surprised if she traced the poses then tried to work on them to make it less obvious because this is a big leap in anatomy for her
Yeah her usual anatomy mistakes are there these poses are just more dynamic. The inking is okay too (well not in every area but still)
She still has the ball joint affect with all her limbs she can blame on those stupid pose dolls. And her proportions as usual, Princess's arms don't match in length.
I said “I wouldn’t be surprised if she traced this pose” because he anatomy is way better then when she freehanda and we all know that.
She traced this off of one of her DesignDoll models or took a picture of one of her balljointed figures for sure, because princess’s anatomy is pretty much normal Holly while what’s her fast is vastly different (while still being shit like how?)
Not actually saying her anatomy is good, it’s not. Just “good” for her
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it's super easy to see the difference in styles and exaggeration in different mangaka and the styles they learn/use over time.
the ones who do comedy/slice of life tend to do the wonky/cartoony look, more serious and horror based manga tend to have the realistic look.
Holly can't do either well
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ot but, I honestly love how detailed some manga can get when it comes to full page and two page panels(one punch man chapter 94)
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I truly hate the hair floppie things
Holly already fucking lacks the ability to draw human traits thats would be indicative of race to the point where her redesign of a black woman just looks like an indian girl, but the worst part is the level of ignorance really matches up with something akin to old shitty mangas. Nothing about Hollys characters have poc in the them besides screentones and occasionally drawing even worse exagerated cartoony faces in a desperate attempt at drawing somebody of color for the sake of inclusivity.
I mean jesus even the hair alone is such a big fuck up, like what black woman have you seen holly that has naturally straight long hair they can just braid into a tail and let it all flop in the wind?(what if its a weave or a wig!!!?? Are gonna be shitty unrealistic cop outs) What woman do you see in overalls lookings like she just hit jr High but is in special Ed for being alittle too
nice and vapid which turns out to just autism.
Its just really disgusting to see her glorify & misconstrue mangas and mangakas all for the sake of what? A shitty artstyle with a shitty excuse, the weeb artists who arent into older mangas already struggle w drawing different races cause their precious top tier mangas barely have any and when they do oh boy its so off the mark or just understated you really only go by "well they're alittle darker in skin tone".
Holly really has it difficult to bring out that Brown in her name kek
gotta laugh though at how a wish to simply draw comics now requires the skills of a bomb disposal expert.
Draw the lips normal size>poc erasure
Draw lips accurate big>racist jim crow
Don't draw any ni\\other races>poc erasure white supremacy
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God damn it, Keith.
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also this idk about the feet looks kind of weird but idk
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What the fuck is that face? Kinda looks like a furry.
Besides extreme sjw's I dont see anyone on this board or otherwise have that attitude at all and during her Hamilton phase nobody went around screeching jim crow and segeregation era art?
But whatever makes you happy I guess
not from us, from the mainstream. >Hamilton
Did she draw big lips? I didn't see that. I was talking about
if someone wanted to be widely read.
Holly wouldn't get called out if she drew Princess as an ape because only about 30 people probably look at her art. Her youtube tutorials have gradually accumulated a lot of views but if you look at her twitter for example she gets like 2 likes on her 'here's a new peice' tweets
Exaggerated and stylized stuff only looks good if there is a clear understanding of anatomy. >>687183
I like how she completely gave up on making princess look black and just gave her wavy-ish hair.
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you can look at her Hamilton pics here.
it's pretty clear Holly is just shit when it comes to character design because she doesn't even put in the work t make the characters appealing or coherent, just "what she thinks they look like"
So she got rid of damiens terrible hair only to give it to simon?>>687310
Her faces remind me of plank from ed edd n eddy
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West African girl with natural hair. And hey look at that she looks like Princess.
She shouldn't use diagonal grids just for the sake of it, it looks stupid and confusing.
But hey, she knows about comics.
i still can't believe she did this honestly.
the way the panels are spaced out in the new one is really unappealing and the lack of color/screentone mixed with the lack of background makes it look really bland…
and what's up with the hair? she should've just stuck to the original or at the very least have a director help her.
also i didn't even notice she even included princess' redesign.
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Is this for pp?? She's planning on doing the backgrounds THIS detailed?
Wow Reese looks so flat and wooden, guess it's safe to say her Ash drawings are flukes or traced over dolls.
And I hope to god she doesn't do this with her backgrounds, you can tell how wonky and weird her perspectives are, everything is on a big lean again, and if she tries >>686411
again it's going to make her characters look out of place in the world she's trying to draw them in.
Maybe she should just stick to simple plain bg's? she sucks at making them detailed or interesting.
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"pushing a half-ton truck into a garage was hard for me lol im pathetic"
hate yourself a little less, holly.
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How long until she starts doing this?
i'm not sure you guys caught on - she's playing around making silly stuff with brushes because she JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT BRUSHES YESTERDAY. I mean, she knew about them but didn't seem to think of how you could use them. see >>686334
she says it like it's a new idea to her
Just because it's genetically possible to have loose waves and be black doesn't negate the fact that she was clearly just too lazy to draw a hair texture that's not well within her comfort zone. No one said her clothes had anything to do with her race either. >>687960
None of these heads should take more than 1-2 minutes to draw, why?
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And she's selling them on gumroad. ($0 starting price, but still)
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Nah hollys just lazy and wasting more time making brushes than actually learning how to draw hands and her own characters.
I would get it if she had done this wayyy before but now it's kinda stupid .
She's not going to progress with PP it'll end up like purgatory if its not going to make money for her.
okay, this may be a stupid question, but i don't art. what, exactly, is the point of these brushes?
i mean, i kind of understand it when it's like a rough outline, but the hand ones seem to me like copy&paste sort of stuff? it feels like it would only stop you from improving and growing, as an artist. like, instead of taking the time and effort to draw a hand, you pick a brush you (or worse, someone else) made and tada, done. sort of like, the difference between drawing something one time and then copying it twenty times, and actually drawing something twenty times.
cutting corners. Holly could use some practice and these brushes look god awful, so you're right in that regard, but…
a guy took 13 years to finish a comic because he didn't cut corners. this is what would happen if you drew all of the chain links in a chain fence by hand instead of just using a brush. it's a matter of efficiency, really.
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Ok i tried to grab a decent screenshot from the video showing the hand brushes. Ome of the problems is that they look like shit. The anatomy is wack. So even if she's using these as a short cut its going to look wonky in the final
yes, that makes sense. i've used ps in the past, and i know about brushes to get textures and help create backgrounds. to me it's a huge difference, between repetition in backgrounds which aren't the focus of the scene, and the characters themselves, so it confused me.>>688099
using them as 'cheats' or templates makes sense, but the hand ones seemed rather detailed for that purpose, i thought. i guess that's what i was 'concerned' about, that people would use them when they'd be much better off (in the long term) in actually investing time and effort into their work
thanks for explaining guys
no problem, anon.
I think doing that for backgrounds is essential, but characters… just seems wrong to me.
I'd say you pretty much got it. I can see some uses for instance for character designs, especially if you have to pump out a ton of variations, but having hand poses or base faces for comics isn't really sensible.>>688099
A chain or foilage brush doesn't really compare to this though, imo.
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I found hollys reference
okay, as someone who wears glasses, it is beyond me how she could look at this and think that Reese's glasses would stay in place in this scenario?? like his glasses would have to have really long legs to still go behind his ears when his whole goddamn hand is under them jfc
>>'my business is so lucrative that knowing how much money i make, it's never guaranteed'
wait, what? i wouldn't call that lucrative, but okay.
why is there a part of this that has her looking at apple stuff?
>>pinned comment on her video: My comic will be updated later tonight so just bookmark the page for Rn, busy with plumbers rn and cant post yet.
okay, i know i'm old, but like, almost ten years ago, when i started writing a blog, one of the first things on 'how to have a successful blog' advice pieces as to HAVE CONTENT BEFORE POINTING PEOPLE TO IT or sharing the link. like jfc. 'lol this isn't ready yet but go click the link anyway'
>>'this is like, your last chance to buy it, because i don't think anyone's interested in [the zine]'
and who's fault is that, huh? who fucked up promoting the zine? who didn't get orders sent in a timely fashion? who absolutely sucks when it comes to communication? I WONDER WHO THAT IS
No she’s hoping everyone will forget again and she can rip off the artists because AGAIN most of them are children and all because Holly responded back with a “sorry my dudes here I’ll send you a copy and 20$ idk don’t hate me” or somethong Dumb like that
Zine artists, you should be on her ass, she should be near tears at this point trying to make shit up to you
'I was swamped with the zine for basically a whole month'
Okay Holly, let's just ignore the fact you put the zine on the back burner to work on your rape comic.
And you had that printed with a company opposed to printing them yourselves, but you can't be assed to do that with the zine.
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Seriously does she not remember all the blogs showing off her gross nasty salads to everyone?
Yeah Holly, you poor sick thing, working yourself so hard all the time you’re just going to drop dead from it all one day~
Just be sure to pay the zine artists properly before you do Kay?
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Now her fans are going to start doing this shit.
Like its ok for backgrounds but something feels off for using it for things like hands etc
Like you have to understand how to draw these things to get better.
This is what people talk about when it comes to "cheating " using digital art.
To clear up you can use the stamp tool for things like backgrounds or screen tones.
But when you start to make them for human features that by now holly should know how to draw fast I would hope then you cross a line.
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Yo, OT, I'm sorry anon, but your phone font sucks ass.
someone please get this lazy ass bitch off her pedestal jfc. Drawing poses should be second nature to her by now if she's been doing comics for this long.
You tend to develop your own fucking shorthand for people, but honestly, this is a big indicator that Holly doesn't study from anatomy or life at all, if she's going the stamp route.
She's actively trying to avoid redundancy by making redundant brushes.
It's like she'll do anything to avoid putting effort into drawing, at all costs. It'd be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
Honestly I wouldn't praise her for anything, especially 'Coming into her style" she's starting to prove she hasn't even been working on her own style, she's been trying to find as many ways as possible to make fast shitty art to churn into money and her showing off her shitty new stamps is proof enough for me and plenty of other anons.
I've had suspicion for a long time she's been a tracer, she let us know she thought tracing over bases was alright and good for practice >>519239
the collage anon let us know that yes she did trace some of her anatomy work it would have been easy for her to do so, and it's pretty obvious she traced these hand stamps. And I can't say she white washed princess, the other two and ambiguous as well even tho they also started different, Holly is shit when it comes to character design, fuck look at all of her characters in Purgatory, every one of them looked stupid and thats all we could complain for the longest time.
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ohhh my god I did not think about this.>>688067
These look like really shitty tracings.>>688544
Ok glad someone else noticed it.>>688580
Yeah if her hand tracings are that shitty there are probably other things she's traced (at least partially) that may have gone under our radar.
>>688981>I am increasing surprised that other comic artists havent made lazy brushes
Because trying to draw around pre-established drawings with a predetermined angle and style is genuinely more troublesome and time consuming than creating your own guidelines by hand. There's a reason why most artists (outside of concept artists with extreme deadlines and output that's expected to be disposable) don't even bother with non-textural brushes.
Like is she gonna be drawing twenty water bottles to match twenty variations in perspective? It's faster to invest her time in learning construction or making mockups in SketchUp.
This wouldn't piss me off as much if she wasn't relaying this to her young audience and making them think that this is a more practical way of working than just learning basic technical drawing.
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wait so is she doing inktober now ?
she already said she's doing inktober because she's doing 'kinktober" at the same time
what i find more egregious is that only last year she was shitting on everyone and their grandmothers for doing inktober and explain why she thought the idea was stupid, now she LIKES INKTOBER?
wow this cunt is as bad as shuwu when it comes to the backpeddling and trying to stay relevant shit, the only reason she made the Seize comic was because she thought "porn sells lol" and I can imagine she's not making the bank she thought she would from her horribly drawn porn.
Uhh, what are "black fills"?
Does it mean when people fill in the shadows with just black ink or?? Sorry guys Im a painter not a inker so i have no idea.
… or is this a made up retarded thing by Holly???
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RE: tracing or heavily referencing art/stock photos (as opposed to 3D models and other things she is likely legally allowed to, even if its shit)
There's also a few other things she's heavily reffed or traced but I either can't find a source, or its less egregious. I think she references other twitter & comic artists sometimes but because she scrubs her twitter timeline and I don't want to read every single comic holly's ever mentioned for matches, it's more difficult to confirm.
she's literally admitted to tracing/using bases, it was posted in a past thread, she really doesnt try to hide it which is weird seeing all the other shit she back peddles on.
I dont understand how anyone who follows her doesn't see or suspect most of her shit is traced.
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New PP pages are up. It's clear she spent a lot of time on them, what a hardworking queen.
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Cool hand lumps
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Their waists. Holy hell.
Is Hershy twisting at the waist? The folds (and lack thereof) on his pants make it look like that's his butt. God everything here looks so disjointed.
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the only thing about reese that is discernibly male anatomy is the torso shape…. oh and princess has the same one
That’s not the same face as >>686517
Holly, facial expressions don’t change your bone structure, and maybe you should have adapted her acting to her new and improved uwu special kid version.
what are these necks? what the fuck is this inking? her lines are more stiff and messier then usual, like holy shit this makes me miss dorito-chins, at least the stupid hair flips are there
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She's inching closer to full yaoi hands syndrome.
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another holly proclamation/project
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guys i'm spooped - i went to squash it 10% to see if it looked better or weird…. and i could just keep going until it was less than half its height and.. it still didn't look weird
50% shown here compare to >>689363
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pairs well with this one lol
Puppet animation is not cheating but a lot of the time it makes the animation look cheap, especially when it is used by beginners.
Having a pose/expression bank is also not cheating but a lot of the time it makes a comic look cheap and lazy.
You can tell she used her head brush stamp thing on this one. Stiff af and that neck
kek so bad
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I guess she's never going to draw a background herself again now.>>689557
Actually, yeah. A lot of webcomics use 3D models as a base though, I don't see filtered stock photos as often. Even in manga, using photos as a base is quite common, although it's usually ones they take themselves.
Only time when using 3D models or filtered photos for web comics is inherently wrong is when you use models/photos that don't belong to you without permission from their creator.
Glad Holly is learning to use short cuts. Wonder if she's still against using the paint bucket to fill in flats still…
I really wish she'd learn to draw clothing on naked bodies because everytime she tries to draw clothing folds it makes it look like they are wearing fucking parachutes, and the anatomy and perspective is so weird in this one, her just throwing a random background tone makes it so much more obvious how stiff and out of place they are to the BG
holy shit can she just stop for a week and actually LEARN something?>>689544
and apparently Herchel can get WORSE wow, all my complaints before but amped up to 100 and wtf with the neck again? Holly have you ever seen another human being before? Ever?
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I'm having a pants meltdown>>689527
The millions of pants shadows
looking like Lamé fabric, not fucking slacks. If she should trace ANYTHING it's legs so they stop being bizarrely streaky sausages>>689544
how's he got the gray sweatpants dickprint (or nuts print in his case lol) in JEANS>>689533
Second. It absolutely does not work for exactly this reason. Getting praise for things you haven't done makes you addicted to praise without effort. Then the effort just seems unnecessary and frustrating. It leads to straight-up art theft to feed the addiction, so to speak.
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Whaaat? You mean the carp you had in an unfiltered 5 gallon tank died??
Did her fish even have a name? "I'm sort of okay with it" "You were nice to look at and feed"
I know a goldfish isn't like a dog or anything but she's such a fuckin robot sometimes.
They also need water, but unfortunately Holly was just too busy to fill the fucking tank
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Is she looking at EB games "Copy that" memes for reference now? But seriously, she's gotta be using the Herschel head stamps already. It looks like she just drew the torso and plopped in a head without thinking about how the neck sits in the shoulder girdle and how wide shoulders actually are.>>689557
What she's posted so far with the filtered backgrounds is tacky so far, personally, since they're non-detailed illustrations with no deadline. It's a tactical tool in comics, animation, or manga, when you're having to pump out a bunch of sequential drawings on as quick as a weekly basis. But from what I've seen, a lot of webcomic artists are working in really small teams (if there's even more than one person), try to make assets themselves, and work to make the backgrounds and illustration mesh.
When Holly's own actual drawing only makes half of the illustration, it just reminds me of my elementary DeviantArt days of drawing characters into wallpapers I found on Google through MS Paint or something. Her stock backgrounds aren't even adding anything–no context, no story, no point.
okay but this pic really does look like a snapshot from a terrible character creator game, bland background and all. nothing about this has any originality or personal flair to it whatsoever.
the fish thing is fucking awful tho. i thought she would handle stuff about deaths better after ppl judged her for how she spoke about her late dad, (which, granted, a fish’s death is a very different situation obviously) but she’s really past the point of listening to other ppl’s criticisms and advice. “lol holly’s so blunt about not giving a shit about a pet’a death and suffering! i love her heartlessness-i mean, honesty!” cue her stans defending her bc who cares about a fish right? let’s ignore that time she talked about wanting her dog (the chihuahua, i think) to die already bc she didn’t like taking care of it. she thinks she can say whatever she wants now and just delete it whenever a couple of ppl clap back at her with no consequences bc there will be others who praise her for being an unrepentant asshole.
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can some one tell me what the spider/ant looking thing on the top right of his head is meant to be- it's the first time I noticed it and I'm scared
I agree with this. I know that people tend to keep what projects they're doing close to their vest because they don't want to overpromise and end up under delivering, which is what Holly does a lot.
She's probably addicted to the high she gets from telling everyone projects and ideas she has floating around in her brain that she may or may not get to depending on her mood. She's too much of a flighty busy body and every one of her fans eat it up every time.
She's one of those "idea" people but isnt the executive/follow through type. So instead of keeping ideas in her head to let them form, she just word vomits first chance she gets to try and stay relevant.
I’m with you on this one anon, Holly’s anatomy was literal shit only a month ago and we all know she didn’t take the time to sit down and practice anything to get better at it, instead she showed us she’s been busy making brushes of her characters so she doesn’t have to draw them fully anymore.
And if I remember she uses designdoll too, she showed us she’s traced over those dolls to make a few Ash drawings and the anatomy was fairly similar, well done and way nicer but very stiff and out of place, like a doll that had been put together like most of these are
Would explain why she doesn’t see those giraffe necks and think “something is fucking off with those”
Sage for Holly traces everything tinfoil
It’s kinda sad that out of the 80 or so artists, none of them are really holding her accountable or calling her out. At least not severely enough that she changes her tune. So far it’s been, what? Sternly worded emails?
I can’t imagine working my ass off on getting a zine submission in only for the mod to turn around and shit on us while sabotaging the zine any chance they get. I really do hope people bring it up publicly and call her out. Otherwise, she’s just going to keep doing it.
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The grammar is triggering
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She didn't even put their names in order in the zine, right? Did she even put them in there at all? Otherwise WHAT exposure? She hardly did any advertising on the zine tumblr.>>690476
Good info, definitely going to try and use this to get something done. In a week or two would any sort of call out or artist beware be any sort of relevant?
lel the fucked up clips make it seem like a found-footage horror
like it's going to cut to snot cry Holl-dog >there-the zine artists…they're here… they want to be paid… I think there's one in the house… EEEEEEK!
I distinctly remember her having some kind of assistant for helping to manage the zine, they were mentioned/answered an ask on the tumblr but that was the last we heard from them and it just seemed like a solo operation from then on. Wonder what happened to them.
She's obviously trying to cover it all up like none of it ever happened, and if 80 other artists are just going to sit back and think that's okay, then that's their problem. But it won't be long before she tries to pull some other shit, only hopefully next time it won't involve other/younger artists; that was where she fucked up and why it was such a big deal; it wasn't just her shooting herself in the foot this time- she roped other people into her bullshit.
She just wanted another book to sell at SanJapan and she got what she wanted and it was pretty much 'fuck you' immediately after it was all said and done. She thought she was going to profit but she didn't, and she'd probably rather neither SanJapan nor the Zine be mentioned to her ever again because it >took so much time away from me making my comics!
Cry me a fucking river, Holls.
Nothing she does is genuine or for the benefit of anyone else but her. It's always Holly First, everyone else be damned.
Her lack of updates and communication and overall conduct had nothing to do with 'working with other artists'.
But it's never Holly's Fault, though. /s.
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Lol, the bingo board from the last thread would be useful
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what the fuaaaaaaargh! AARGH!
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The arm omfg
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Holly you have a instantly recognizable style and very unique comprehension of anatomy, and in the worst way possible
That is your teademark, wear it with pride my dear you earned it well this year
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why do these look so radically different? tiny chin vs. giant dorito man chin.
Why the fuck the camera and tv are old but then they have modern phones?! They can record everything with their phones and there is no need for that shitty old camera.
And damn, those girls are sliding off from that couch. Holly, people have butts you know.
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I know these are supposed to be motion lines but it looks like princess has toilet paper stuck to her
I don’t think Holly leaves her home long enough to study and remember what fast food places look like, let alone diners or restaurants>>690920
Why does she keep insisting on making her motion lines pure white? It looks horrible, most people have a hard time figuring out they are motion lines, and most motion lines are just LINES or only have a very transparent white overlapping
Christ people still see those old pages of purgatory where Simon gets molested and runs away and people think he’s suddenly wearing a cape it’s so weird
lol they're trapped forever, or they crawl out under, OR that one leg you can see IS the only one and only he's trapped.>>690937
she could look on the internet considering she rips off all her backgrounds why doesn't she just trace a diner table.
the idea of someone running away from being molested and suddenly wearing a cape fits the tone of her stories tbh
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like idk so cunty to be mad at someone just cause theyre ok with sexual assault? like why are you calling me hitler fam
to be fair anon, I know a place that has a normal table in the middle between the couches or w/e. but that table looks like it's intentionally there to trap people.>>690952
omfg holly why do you keep digging a deeper grave for yourself..
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hopefully these will post in order , i thought i would check the H.C brown tag on twitter to see what's up and saw this .
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She needs to learn to put the text first and draw the bubbles around it since she clearly can't estimate it. The lettering is astonishngly bad.
Also kek @ that clearly traced iPhone, the screenshot is completely slanted too. I genuinely don't understand what she's trying to accomplish with her art, it's the least possible amount of effort and keeps getting worse and lazier.
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She did the meet the Artist meme
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"people who have shrill voices"
i'm genuinely confused by how she constantly mixes capitals and lowercase
>>691197>Dislikes: lazy people
t o p k e k
You can't make this shit up.
oh look, she’s wearing the same jacket as reese who is totally not a self insert gaizzzz. also, “dislikes cleaning”, wow, who’d a thunk it?
did she ever have to take a college english class? i know she mentioned having trouble writing essays and discussions in an art history class a long time ago, before she started consistently purging her social media accounts. she’ll never do it bc she’s lazy and will find a proofreader/someone else to do it for her, but it would benefit her a lot to go over grammar rules and practice proper english. reading books and other stuff that’s not random internet posts, doing a couple of handwriting exercises, etc. no hate; i assume she’s learned words more through listening than from reading from her spelling mistakes, and she can obviously speak more clearly than she can write.
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Apparently Holly is going for the backtracking approach. How does she think this is going to work? We've heard their unedited conversation, it wasn't about daddy kinks. This is the worst thing she could possibly do, good fucking luck.
Yeah except that’s not how any of that came off, her and Twisted fat disaster where both very clearly talking about rape and being stupid about noncon-kinks and rape and acting like the two are the fucking same
She a dumbass girl who’s never had sex, been in a real relationship, fuck she doesn’t even date or fuck now and we all know she doesn’t reaserch so no Holly, you where talking about rape like it was no big deal and people should just act differently if you don’t wanna be raped
This isn’t backpedaling at all
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From tumblr.. just more of her same shit really
No one of any gender wants to be in a relationship with someone so miserable, Holly. Most people grew out of this "tee hee not like other girls and men are so much better" thing in junior high.
Why can't she put the energy and practice of always having some slick/negative/whiny shit to say and apply it to her fucking art? Go outside. Paint a rainbow. Get out of your rotten swamp of a head for once bitch, damn.
Wow that was the most straight answe I’ve ever heard
Way to keep that gay card there Holly, you totally sound attracted to women and not faking your bi like most straight women who like to use it as an excuse or turn on degenerate men like onision
Just shit up already your not fucking bi Holly, have you ever made out with another girl to really know? Slept with another girl?
You don’t have to “try” to understand if you are gay or bi, anon.
She’s obviously not bi, and to me she’s a virgin. It’s obvious everything she says about sex is parroted from somewhere else. She even said that penis size changes depending on what you eat, so…
the amount of internalized misogyny and self-hatred Holly has for herself is ridiculous lmao she's definitely a femcel
I would say for Holly to take a break and clear her mind but this bitch really dumb as fuck and honestly thinks she'll get anywhere with that attitude.
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Instagram was merciless. I'm sure most of these are supposed to be compliments but man do they sound backhanded
>>691347>penis sizes change by what you eat
I hope she meant HOW MUCH you eat because yeah a dude packing in the weight will see his dick disappear under the fupa they get
You don’t eat a steak and grow an inch Holly do you think dicks are made of fucking magic? this some futanari shit right here
oh she best reply to this and get ass blasted to the moon
I hope she talks herself into a corner with this one I really do
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I dunno if this is directly related to holly or not, but given that she just replied to that tweet, I think the odds are pretty good this is about holly.
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as soon as i read this i thought of holly
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Most times they only do it in shoujo manga because of horoscopes and stuff, it’s normally just a small cutesy thing not something you see in paranormal comics
Also the “merch” is just bullshit fluff since she didn’t make it herself and is just reselling Chinese charms trying to pass it off as “character specific” trinkets, that’s why just just came up with everyone’s bloods types out of no where
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lmao @ whoever replied with this
From the zine shot and the traced hand stamps she selling
No, Holly does not try anymore just spews
Holly is literally the perfect caricature of a teenaged poser
Hops on any trend that’s “edgy”, huge know it all but actually knows nothing on the topic/subject, overbearingly dumb and out of touch, try hard yet super lazy
I feel like Holly's school my have skimped on the sex ed and she she just got all her information from cartoon porn instead. >>691378
People don't complain about Reese being POC and "not an outstanding citizen", they complain about him being a creepy rapist and it being depicted as a cutesy character flaw, but ok.
Telly tho, she’s been pushing out as much mindless and horribly made content she can on these characters (well only Hershel and Reece really) without actually making any of the story or content that they are supposed to be represented in
How are any of her fans supposed to know anything about these characters unless they literally live in her brain? It’s like she’s role playing out their stories in her head without actually making it physical but we all have to be caught up in lore she already knows but doesn’t show
Are we just supposed to think Hershel is a warrior type because he’s the skinny(beef) boy?
It's basically the same as star signs in some parts of Asia like China, Korea and obviously Japan and they're used in similar ways like determining if you'll be compatible with someone.
It's really basic trivia about Japan as well as being mentioned in anime and shit so weebs latch on to it bcos lol so quirky!! Way better than icky star signs!!!
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She hasn't updated the charms at all.
That’s what happens when you order merch before even defining your character design and getting familiar with it.
The motifs are just there because she thought it was cute. She ordered this kinda stuff instead of clear plastic bags because she felt like it was better and more aesthetic.
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because that won't be a big mess for sure
holly, please, just stop.
speculating, but mayyyyybeeeeeee people are getting upset because the only way we know that herschel is hispanic is bc you have said so??
there is no difference between him and a white character, other than 'word of holly'
No one said to make her thicc, am I missing something? Why are her drones so gullible, Holly says "someone said x", and they just go "Oh yeah, must be true! Those meanies!!"
Holly, please read the posts here properly since you clearly lurk, one can absolutely write a character that's neither white nor a hollow poc sterotype, but you're not doing it. They're just poorly thought out.
>>691347>penis sizes change by what you eat
Source on her saying this.
She can't be this retarded
But she does this shit ALL the time though. Either she reads here and then whines about it like someone went into her DMs personally, and takes it out of context,
or she'll pull a complaint out of her ass just so people will coddle her. I'm sure she gets hate, and all, but she brings up a lot of it on twitter/tumblr just so her fans will screech on about how right she is and how wrong her 'naysayers' are
She then talks about "the taste" (and does a voice like she's implying she has some experience) but the way she kicked in while talking about sizes is unsettling.
This is the "just fight back more" stream btw.
pretty much this! holly proved she lurked, she let it slip with that sanjapan tweet when she said >at the con - "I thought you were fatter" lol thanks
or something similar when you know no one outside this site actually says shit like that about her, no one sending her anon hate like that or walking up to her and being that autistic in person (and recognize her, shes not big)she saw it here because everyone who was new and hadn't seen her old vlog where she showed off her weight loss results and thought she was fat, because she has a fat potato head. and people pat her poor emotional but tuff gurl butt over it.
It's why her art has taken a drastic and weird turn style wise ive noticed, it's like she took all the critique we gave to heart but in a negative way, now she has to make cheat brushes and push out that old holier than thou attitude she used to have so she can get over the fact her art is shit and she refuses to learn the proper way to make her art better.
I also suspect she's posted here a few times too, trying to derail from certain subjects (her earnings at sanjapan and the zine)because again after certain topics get brought up she's suddenly on twitter with an explanation and it's a poor half assed one like she has to pull it out quick to stave off the fires, like the whole princess thing. we where the one and still are the ones complaining over the ambiguity of her POC characters and its only because she doesn't know how to design or write a character, white or colored. Princess looks like a indian/american girl, herchal looks asian to me, reece still looks and acts like a moody teenaged girl and is very obviously Holly's self insert, she's pretty much admitting she didn't want to be a girl, she wanted to be born a smol skinni boi to have the buttsexies wif da boof bois
like none of those characters are designed and fleshed out but ohh noo the meanies say princess isn't black enough, waaah meanie ol' haters making fun of my perfect character designs that have no problems at all
saged for tinfoilrantblog, Holly needs a good fucking smack to wake up from her fucking fantasy
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>>691897>stereotypes would make him in a gang or stupid
How can someone be as thin skinned as Holly and still say stuff like this not realizing how painful hearing that sort of thing could be for some people.
The problem with a lot of creators I work with (blog, but I am an indie-comic gurl) is that they have huge problems with objectivity, they don't see themselves as people, they have no sense of self, and the internet (they think) gives them control of a "persona" >hey, you can't judge someone just from the internet! You don't know me!
The problem with this in this case isn't so much the retarded tumblr bullshit of "YOU CAN'T WRITE POC CHECK UR PRIVILEGE" because some of the best stuff about minorities has been made by majorities (duh, the numbers/easier to get further in creative industries) and those rules are written by teenagers who never go outside and who also have problems with objectivity. The problem is that she isn't aware of why she MADE him Mexican. It can't be for SJW points, can it? She hates SJWs, she wouldn't do it just to un-white her cast, would she? No? Then she's going for the exotic, sexy Latino stereotype. Her characters ARE portrayed as stupid and with her edgy writing it wouldn't make sense for them NOT to end up in edgy, bishie gangs. What she means is "My poc aren't gross cholos they're smexy bishies" making them noble savages. Basically all of her defensiveness about creating POC = "I invented non-threatening poc who would want to be my friend." All of the characters would be her friends. That is a very comforting way to write. It's not even ignorance it's just teenaged aspergers. She's scared.
What does blood even have to do with her story overall? She's so bad at themes. I get mental illness as a theme, I get the paranormal elements, and hell, if there's going to be horror in it, I get that too. But we're not far in enough for her to work this kind of product into her 'themes' that would be cohesive, she's just doing it because 'mangaka do it' and it's Japanese so it's 'hella kawaii, people will buy that, riiiight
nice cowtipping dude>>691403>I'm packing them
what does she mean? does she already have the charms and is preparing to sell them? or is it simply her saying 'i didn't make them, i'm only repackaging them'?
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Can you at least get some plot relevance in the story before introducing more…
Holly, you need to make the fucking comic first to be doing this kind of shit
no one knows or cares who these characters are or what they will mean to your story, all you're going to do i ruin the plot (if you even HAVE one) for everyone who wants to read it, because you know she's going to give 100000 backstories for all these useless characters
she's only doing this because she wants people to tell her how awesome all her character designs are because we keep shitting on the ones she has now
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Oh god no
She’s making more FMA art and it’s still horrible
Doritochins and skinny boi all over this
The zine, the money spending, the tracing, the art class tracing, her attitude
You have a lot to choose from and it’s be best for you to just comb through the threads and make your own summary
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thats how you know her tastes are shit
she goes for the soyboys and not the real masculine one kek original anime greed will always be best looking greed imo
Her sexuality flip flop to justify her fetish
Her claim that slavery wasn't so bad cuz the slaver were jus poor and scared (aw poor slave owners)
Her claim that rape isn't rape if the person isn't fighting back enough (and her completely bs cover up on twitter after being called out)
Fishing for compliments and engagement, I see.
…? That has nothing to do with what I said
Because I said soyboi? You know what that means right it doesn’t literally mean you drink soy milk anon…
Because that’s what Holly does, she overinflated her work load per usual got over whelmed and can’t keep up with it, now it has her jaded and she doesn’t want to do it anymore but still wants to reap the benefits like she actually is still making the content, even if she spends 5 months bitching about it before hand because she can’t live one day not being a hypocrite, fuck she kept saying if comics didn’t work out she’s just make porn like it was a fallback and wasn’t a job you had to work at
Then she makes her own porn, doesn’t shut the fuck up about it like she’s a damn genius for makin fujo yaoi, and realizes it’s way more work then she thought and everyone pretty much laughed at it and didn’t even buy it, how lon till she’s just making elf rape pictures because she’s too fucked to be bothered to make the actual comic and that’s the next best thing
Wash, rinse and repeat with her.
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Keith is my favourite character
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Oh she's talking about herself
What. The. Fuck. Is she seriously guilt tripping people that spoke up about her zine shit/rape comments and making herself the victim again? Shitting on rape victims without consequences is not a basic human right, Holly. "You're criticising me, not because of what I've done, you're just JEALOUS of my popularity uwu!!"
This is low, even for her.
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Wow she’s a farmer, she just got this from thread, but whatever at least someone if calling her on her shit just should have made it less obvious
Also, um, notice how Holly is pulling all this shit again like she’s been lurking because we have been shitting hard on her and her personality the last few days
I think it’s all getting to her and she’s trying to cover her ass as best she can
it's pretty clear the tweeter is a farmer though because they use farmer rhetoric >you have stated on multiple occasions
I messed up, I meant to reply to >>692434
also im not the anon who said they were going to make a video calm down
Sage for off topic
This chick is so much more professional and efficient than holly is. She has her own studio (away from her home) and she has her own website and actually has customers. Just look at how clean and how she actually sets out to do a task and finishes it unlike hollyhttps://youtu.be/8_o0iAjHDUc
Off topic but I recently found this girl too and she honestly inspires me
What it's like to have your life organized be proficient lmao
FFS, just draw the comic.>>692360>"I won't stop being a complete asshole on a public platform, no matter what you say!!"
Your call, but don't complain when people continue to give you shit for it. >>692445
You can point your finger at any random artist that makes these "studio vlogs" and they'll probably be more professional and efficient than Holly. Don't have any problem with this girl, but the bar is quite low.
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She's justifying why she didn't outsource printing for the zine.
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pretty much this, the calarts rant was the video that literally made her "infamous" to the youtube and tumblr art scene, and the only people who found it endearing or "inspiring" are the same people who blow smoke up her ass now;edgy teenagers that cant afford to buy her overpriced shitty art
but thats a big reason why she had a thread made, her absolute shit attitude that she continues to show since that video
poor holly couldnt afford to print all those zines by herself because she was too dumb to pool the money first or let all the other zine artists have their own pdf copies to do themselves
because she wanted all the money boooo hoooooo
go choke on a real dick for once holly, we see through that bullshit
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I can only see well know like really well known artist charge a 100$ for sketchbooks, like Kim jungle GI (I didn't spell it right it right but you know what I mean)
Not something full of shitty doodles.
Maybe she can scan them then throw them out. But thinking your audience would buy it is something else yikes
This is what an echo chamber does to someone.
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wow the mental backflips she must be doing this week to fucking say the shit she's been spewing
so can she practice what she tries to preach for once or nah? gonna stay a hypocrite? yah? thats what i thought>>692626>>692616
holly you really are an idiot if you think anyone wants to buy your horribly made, anatomy-wonked fucked sketchbook for 100$, like you really think anyone likes your art enought o buy 100$ worth of shitty sketches they can see you upload for free?
You are delusional, maybe if it was a 200+ page fully colored glossed page artbook, yeah i can see it then because i've bought books like that
with amazing art
something you lack as a ' professional artist'
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Wait, is she talking about the yt comment? The one that only contains one FNAF video?
is it about this? >>692626
what is this about?
It's about >>692616
(I think, but that would make no sense)
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The niche art channel in question.
i would have thought she's talking about this >>692402
person's art channel
Oh, that would make a lot more sense! Since when is her channel "a very niche art channel" though? >I dont exactly attract challenge people you know?
What does that even mean? God damn
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an anon further up mentioned that both reese and hershel are hispanic. i didn't know that reese was until then, either, but he def is.>>692690>>GAY AF
holly, please, for the love of anime, stop. just, stop.
They're both hispanic and named after candy, apparently (Hershey and Reese's). Black Latinos exist, but still.>>692690
Since he has band-aids on he's probably an active cutter, and you know she'll find the worst way possible to write about that subject in her comic, if she ever gets to that.
I know there's black latinos, point is Holly very much portrayed him and princess as her "black american" characters and not having any latino mixed in but apparently Holly's been roleplaying in her head again and just dropping hints here and there (as anons are telling me) like her characters are in a fucking ARG or something>>692722
yeah and she just pulled the "blood type" stuff out of her ass yesterday too, now all of a sudden >anyone else love those character bios in manga??? SOO LOVE THEM SOOO KEWL
when we had already mentioned the stupid blood type stuff is really only a thing for cutesy manga or asian horoscopes only yesterday (hi holly, feel like shit yet?) and probably have literally nothing to do with her story if she ever actually works on it instead of 1000 character profiles she's going to have no need for (because she needs MORE PROJECTS TO WORK ON)
you only really make those things AFTER for your readers to keep track of whos who in the story and to remember important details, the artist should just have a ref sheet not manga profile pages
so whats everyones bet on princess's last name? horribly racist or predictably bland?
I typed down Jones like so many times and went "naaaah she can't be THAT fucking stupid"
she's going to be that fucking stupid tho, i feel it, it's going to be something like those i just fucking feel it
guys, what if… her name is white? bc get it, she's black haha so edgy
seriously though, how about washington? or jefferson?
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1. God damn it, Keith.
2. They did fuck though? Is this another "Holly is a virgin"-moment? There needs to be a compilation of those.
Hershel fucked Reece, scaleboy only 'sucked him off' and 'played with him' before getting a good few 'trusts' from the boofboy
honestly it's not surprising no one would remember it's not like the comic was hot or sexy or memorable (besides the art), it was very bland and ugly
no she's saying he didnt read the porn because Hershel is the one who does the "fucking"
Reece just initiates all of it by drugging him and being a rapist
hey man, if my boy isnt drugging me and tying me up to take advantage of me without proper consent or guidelines or rules set out first
i dont fucking want it, and no i wont fight back im a reeeaaalll girl and i looove it~ uwu
People who don't understand consent shouldn't have parters, therapy would be way safer, not that that's going to happen anytime soon.
This is really idiotic question, but how do you get to her tumblr asks? It's probably obvious, but I still don't get it.
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are you asking how to see them? or how to ask her something? If you want to just see them you just scroll through her blog, you'll see them
if its to ask her pic related heres her tumblr you may not be on the right one - http://hollycbrown.tumblr.com/
theres one she uses as a domain to show off art (but hasnt updated in a while) then this one, her 'personal' one
dont worry anon it wont take you long, she always says something stupid it doesnt matter what the platform is
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samefag but case and point
like Holly… you dont understand why people would think this? are you really that oblivious?
Ah, makes sense! Sorry for making you teach me tumblr, lol.
Sage for TwistedDisaster, but she made a con video, don't know if Holly is mentioned in it though.
I seriously doubt anyone did. Less than 24 hours and all but one sold? It's just not realistic.
It's more likely that shame got through her thick skull and she pulled them willingly.
Devil's Candy uses 3d models but Tsulala just uses them as a base/perspective reference and adds the details herself by hand. The PunPun mangaka uses photos but edits them to his tastes in post as well.
It's normal but I feel there should be care taken to make it more polished.
Maybe I am. But, even though her fans are stupid and naive and have no taste at all, most of them don't have $100-$200 to throw at any random purchase, much less a shitty sketchbook made by a barely popular Youtube artist. Even less of them would make that decision within hours of being told about the listings.
Anyway, as >>692950
said, we'll find out for sure eventually. Given how quickly she ran her mouth about making money at SanJapan, it won't be long before she brags about raking in a chunk of cash from ratty old sketchbooks.
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This was mentioned briefly before, but using another question she got, why is she already spoiling a Princess ED arc? Is it supposed to build hype, or what?>>693040
Michie: "I didn't think it was right that there were people with art quality that wasn't that good. What I mean by that: they had streaky prints, uhm they didn't spend a lot of time on their art. They kind of slapped it together. Like it just didn't look very good. I didn't see any of that this year."
…… Really Michie? You didn't? You didn't see anyone like that this year? Possibly sitting right next to you??
Maybe when you looked in the mirror every morning?
When you were setting up the booth, possibly?
Oh, okay. Good, I'm glad you didn't see anything like that this year. I was concerned.
oh no… Holly's beginning to think she's Kim Jung Gi…
even his books aren't priced at 200
Not sure why you'd come to the conclusion she'd have latinx relatives, just because she had a file of the comic titled in Spanish…??
But god, is she so outta touch with who her audience is and what they might want. Most of them are just teens who wanna hear her shoot her edgy mouth off and her art is like a weird byproduct she seems to think has value and is marketable. Congrats, Holly, you got a bunch of broke kids to believe that at least. HOPEFULLY by the time they're able to earn their own money they'll have grown out of her bullshit and will spend it more wisely but I'm not really holding my breath.
I'm just going to assume she unlisted her books from the shop cause she know that shit won't sell. People've got bills to pay, lmao.
Plus she said it herself. Her room is a shithole. I dunno about anyone else but I wouldn't want anything
from a shithole. Especially not from a room like hers, have y'all SEEN her fuckin floor?
And then she has the nerve to present and handle her grubby-ass books with her grubby-ass hands. No thanks. Not interested in a "piece of Holly BRown history"
And people are in the comments saying "OMG you should charge MORE!"
I wish she would charge more for those so that she could look even more ridiculous.
I might be wrong but I remember that last time she sold her sketchbooks they were around 20$ each, but guess she “made it” now that she writes about how to be successful, so of course she can charge 100/200 for shitty doodles.
Half of the books weren’t even finished, she rips them apart so it’s even less pages than a regular sketchbook. Such a bargain!
why is she like this lately? is it because she went to a con and made minimal profit? because 1k is fuck all for most con artists, she isnt popular, fuck spechies been more talked about and had more made about her, and all mostly because she's dating a commentator
holly you only have what? 240k followers on youtube? who do you think you are fucking Jaden animations or something? you dont even have the twitter followers to back up that popularity if you want to sell anything you have to advertise it on your youtube (hey ever gonna do a zine video for that channel btw?)why would anyone want to buy a sketchbook, not even a fully finished artbook, just one of her doodlebooks, for 200$? she needs to reel that ego back
Her priorities are fucked, but of course, holly first, so she's gonna push all this shit she wants to sell. She'll make ten videos about all the ratty bullshit she's trying to peddle before she makes one
announcement for the zine. Cause more orders means more work for her(and more money out her pocket what a dumbass).
Who knows if that storenvy link for the zine is still available, more likely than not she's trying to bury all talk of the zine by trying to distract people with her boring af paranormal plague comic and uninspired characters, fujo rape comics, sketchbooks and merch she's trying to sell them.
'eh the zine won't sell well. I'll make sure of that nobody is big enough to push sales like I can, BUT LOOK AT MY NEW STUFF I'M MAKING, this is kawaii, right? Please don't be mean to me let me make The Gay Shit(tm) in peace with no criticism or judgment. "
Sage for sperg
>>693303>But god, is she so outta touch with who her audience is and what they might want.
Yessssssssssss. When edgy people say "I make art for me and no one else!" they're usually expressing confidence in the face of criticism. She applies the concept literally as if that's a legitimate method of creation. No, if you're going to sell a story you do have to consider that people are going to read it; not just give you money because you made(or say you are making)it. If she got published and sold in stores her stuff wouldn't sell. I'm not insulting her art style/skill, her comic would get such bad reviews for a lack of story.
Then again if she did sell in stores she'd probably try to staple all the pages together herself and then blame the bookstores.
If she ends up with a successful career and becomes wealthy without changing EVERYTHING about what she does I'm gonna an hero because so many people are trying so much harder, making better work and being overlooked. (Not me, I sound so butthurt lol)
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I've lost hope for her audience now.
Holly room is a shit show, it needs to be cleaned. If I was her i would be ashamed of showing it to anyone let alone the Internet and to show this is where my products come from is even worse.
not trying to be a white knight but at least she's cleaning her shit up for real this time instead of bullshitting it
knowing holly though i'm wondering how long it'll actually stay clean?
Stomach ulcers are a thing, especially if you drink pop all day long Holly how dumb are you?
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It would be nice if she used reference to draw Princess's body too.
Random thought, Reese should have been the one named Hershel aka "her shell"
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puttin them brushes to work i see
the anatomy is horrible and they dont even look like they are in the same area
NTA but I’m sorry it just looked like you were saying coke is the same as water.
Aspartame and sugar are both bad for you if you abuse them, and Holly totally is. She stated multiple times that she finds water gross, so she only drinks soda, cofeee (w cream and sugar) and tea (w sugar). That can’t be healthy.
What's the point of drinking diet soda when you're just going to a
load up on sugar and calories in everything else you drink. Most people use diet soda to "cheat" (although diet soda is linked to higher rates of obesity and beetus anyway).
Amazing how much better she'd feel if she cut out the soda.>>693695
Cokerep-chan pls go, no one cares if asparatame is technically safe when it's completely irrelevant to the thread. The point is drinking only diet coke is objectively bad for you and we know that Holly's diet is complete garbage and is the reason she feels sick all the time.
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3 Hours per page? No wonder they’re crap.
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God, she is just all up ON Joysan's videos because she's started book binding and now BRown's trying to give advice, like jesus fuck off holly, you could've put all that shit in one comment, stop trying to suck dick by making multiple comments on a video. Have a seat, you don't even know how to align a book properly.
Like, Idk why but it bugs me sometimes when I'm watching JoySan's vids and you can hear her listening to Holly's videos in some clips and I'm like but why tho … I don't get it…Is it just morbid curiosity or a genuine admiration for this hack?
Seriously. I watch other artists to get AWAY from Holly's shit.
It's like you can't fuckin escape her. She really knows how to stink up a comments section.
She's trying to get that engagement, suck up to the better artist in question, AND drive people to her channel.
she ain't slick.
herschel "heals" paranormals in the newest page by vaguely gesturing in their direction kek
and i know the comics just started but like his healer powers came outta nowhere
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i'm 50:50 on whether it's part of herschel's healing a lobster claw man that his own hand becomes a lobster claw or whether it's art jank
She's forever breaking the 180 rule holy shit, they're all over the place in every other panel. And where tf is the rest of ashley's body in that 3rd panel?
Cutting characters off at odd places like the neck and ankles like she does creates weird placement in any given space and half the time we're not getting any backgrounds so as far as we're concerned they're floating body parts.
And to think she brags on and on about her background skills.
Ohh no no no anon
the FMA ripoff is her Elf rape comic, have you seen the uniforms? it's the complete copy of the alchemist uniform from FMA and im amazed no one has seen that yet
and now that i'm trying to find a pic of them (because I know she has sketches up) i cant find them, did she take them all down after people started calling her out for the rape shit?
I've speculated this before but I'm calling it again, the vine creature Herschel was fighting is Reese.>>694060
He's pretty much probably going to be this 'savior from mental illness' stand in since the monsters are supposed to be allegorical to those things which, if we're guessing correctly…
hoo boy. This gon be good. cause these are sensitive topics to many people and they better not let this shit fly.
I feel like she'll fuck it up either way.
Nope, not recently at least. It would definitely benefit her, but at the end of the day Holly just doesn't seem very interested in other people/analytical thinking, and people like that rarely make good storytellers. If she had studied the things she should have, there is no way she would have this many issues with pacing and plot structure.>>694073
Didn't she already spoil that part? I could've sworn she let something slip a while ago, might just be a popular lolcow theory though. Is it bad to look forward to the Reese flashbacks in some sick way? Just imagining her trying to illustrate self harm feels unreal.
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this reads so passive-aggressive to me and i love it.
It's a step up from the sexual abuse stuff, and it makes sense to write about what you know, but there is no way it's going to be tasteful. Just imagine self harm in the style of Simon's abuse scene where he is suddenly wearing a cape, ugh.
Can we talk about how her tablet review was the worst thing ever? The amount of "um"s were wild.
This is terrible advice. Joy even said she wanted to print them away from home because it takes too long to print and bind one book, which is what a reasonable person would conclude, and what Holly should have done with the BNHA zines.
AFAIK they are/used to be friends? They made a collab video together quite a while back where they sent each other stuff.>>693944
I see she's trying to save time by just making terrible talking heads panels now.
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At least people are calling her out?
I thoughts that what we wanted?
I don't get some people on her
"Make a call out post "
Someone makes one
"DoNt MaKe A CaLlOuT PoSt guyzz "(iNtEgrAtion)
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Also I found this scrolling and it's kind of old but apprently Purgatory is set in the 50s. I never noticed it to be honest
No, not every popular artist has a /snow/ or Kiwifarms thread. Sakimichan only has a thread on prettyuglylittleliars, and it's just nitpicking about anatomy.
Hamletmachine only has an ED, but nothing on her ED talks about her behavior- it's just buttmad neckbeards overanalyzing her gay porn comic.
Baylee has a thread because she, like Holly, is lazy and her art is terrible.
I love that Holly is trying to deflect criticism by implying that popular artists are all lolcows. No honey, it's just the ones with fucktarded behavior.
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This whole page looks so bad, jfc.
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Wow, Reese is truly damaged and three-dimensional, and absolutely not a mary sue.
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Not really sure what she means by later than usual. She hasn't had a consistent upload schedule that I know of
she's experimenting with panels at least, but they looks horrible since she's trying to give her art a more manga look and she just can't pull it off, it looks likes shitty american knock-off 'anime' that nobody likes
If she's not going to learn proper lining, anatomy basics and paneling she could at least put some time and effort (for once) into emulating another manga-ka's style so her shit looks okay for once
whatever health problems holly talks about at this point its because she brought it on herself, or it's an excuse to get attention off of her like when she came home from con and had to deal with the zine, suddenly she "puking up blood idk" from "stress"
the girl doesn't know how to take care of herself, and i get the feeling that everytime she was told HOW to take care of herself she lost her shit and told everyone to go fuck themselves she knows what she's doing etc. so i can't feel bad for her at all, it's funny shes been sick so often really
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Oh yes another fantastic room tour
Is she going to vacuum before she shows it off this time?
Also I’ve seen artists with “cluttered” studios she really didn’t have to get rid of everything just organize it and her fucking life for a moment, Keep Ontop of it until it becomes habit… she’s like a spoiled child, she’s going to take three weeks to clean up a room and give the supplies to charity which I doubt she’ll actually do she’s just gonna throw all of this in a spare room somewhere
Anon, her sub count is big enough for companies to send her tablets to review. This might be the only thing she’s genuine about.
It’s a shame because she doesn’t use pressure and only works in bw so every tablet it’s the same to her.
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lol seriously, the hair actually looks pretty decent and the rest is nothing special, but maybe it just looks different compared to the rest of her same face characters bc of the mustache and thick af eyebrows?
also i am so fucking tired of her deleting 90% of what she does now. no one else has to do that, holly, bc they own up to the shit they say/do or ignore ppl’s reactions. i check here maybe once a week and half the vids and tweets mentioned are already deleted; why bother making and posting content only to scrub it a few days later?
pictures, some tweets, she unlists vlogs and streams like a mad woman because people on here and her comments (which are probably people from here) are always calling her out on them and she can't handle the backlash or fight it
she's taken down all the sketch designs she had up of the elves pre-announcement of what they where going to be for and they are all gone.
She got caught and thought maybe if she took it all down people would forget while she repurposes them for some other sleazy bullshit comic she wants to make.I can't honestly remember if she mentioned anything about the comics after that stream. not even her erasermic thing she wanted to do.
Her deleting shit is so cowardly, and kind of pointless considering we tend to catch everything she says here.
Hope you zine artists enjoy your 20$ shopping spree on eBay!
seriously tho you guys should have chewed her ass out instead of letting her bitch and moan like the spoiled child she is, i just hope no one ever works with her again
my guess is that anon is one of those artists
Funny how Holly was only recently bitching about the starving artist mentality but is giving fellow artists chump change
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Great, and when Holly is done with that, maybe Holly could try not speaking about Holly in third person/stop deflecting?
Hardly elite, I see people with 10k subs getting sent tablets to review. >>694431
Disagree, the cintiq is nicer and I don't understand why she got rid of hers for the Huion, but less good =/= bad.>>694730
Kek, did she post a breakdown of that number? I feel like she's definitely ripping people off and probably sold more.
there's nothing anyone can do. we told the few zine artists that came here looking for help exactly what to do; start a discord, get orginized and stay on her ass everyday until shit gets fixed, they didn't do it, from the looks of it they just gave up after we didn't do anything for them and just waited for their pitiful holly-shekels. doesn't help that most of them where teenagers and probably never worked in a group project like that either so they had no idea what they where getting into especially since it's holly.
all we can hope now is this is a lesson for many people, tho i can say i really wanted to see her ass get virtue signaled right off her platforms for this
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Yes you fucking idiot.
I'm super bad a math and can't find a few numbers so I'll post what I can here: there's 83 artists the zine was $14. IDK what percentage of the proceeds they got or how many zines sold but i gave Holly the benefit of the doubt and said about 30percent of the profits get split among the artists so roughly $4 per zine gets split between 83 artists which is roughly .05. So Five Cents per Artist per Zine.
Which means to get to $20 per artist she'd have to have sold about 407ish comics. If the number was closer to 600 it would be $30. For some reason 600 is stuck in my head bu basically: this was a non profitable fanzine for everyone but Holly.
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She appears to be acknowledging her previous method of 'knowing everything already I went to an art high school so I don't need reference or study' was making her art stagnate and regress. Only time will tell if this self awareness will help.
Then again now she just traces everything so…someone should tell her that's not how you use reference kek
Looks like someone just watched Minnie smalls' video about how she stays organized.
God its so obvious how much of a lemming she is after watching other artists she swears she's so different and special.
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This feels like the right time to unveil my collage of desperation. (no, Mew never responded) Holly trying to interact with other youtube artists always cracks me up.
Jesus Holly how needy and weird can you be? They never reply to you so they obviously don’t care about you, she acts 16 and it’s really annoying she needs to grow up>>694998
So she’s taking the step in the right direction, mind you she should probably stop using cheat brushes, tracing and actually practice and work at her basics until she can see a real improvement
How long until she gives this up and just goes back to tracing refs and using those as brushes because learning is hard~
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New Purgatory pages.>>695216
No problem, they weren't very hard to find! Yeah, she started doing a similar intro phrase at some point, I think it was "hey sluts"?
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Why would a creature being 'healed' be so disturbing to a character? Her face looks like the blonde said something totally weird or repulsive. Wouldn't she be more curious or fascinated? Emoting to Holly always looks like anger or frustration.
Also the blonde looks like if you moved that bang she would be missing a chunk of her face. Look up some pictures of Veronica Lake on how to draw a peek-a-boo.
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Her jacked up muscles and the ken doll 3D model anatomy is always so entertaining.
Also that description doesn't mention him as a slave how much you wanna bet she's rewriting the narrative?
it seriously looks like the head + neck are another one of her ~lazy brushes~ that she just slapped onto a body without taking any of the anatomy into consideration.
is his expression supposed to be inviting or sexy? because it isn't, he looks like he's being held at gunpoint.
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I sure am glad holly is sharing her oats
>>695386>tfw even the most degenerate porn artists I've come across do master studies or understand how abstract is the most distilled version of 2D design
How can she vacillate between "I actually don't know anything and need to fix that" >>694998
to "fundamentals are beneath me" within the same day? She takes a step toward self-awareness then like ten steps back.>>695394
Hm, this post definitely sounds like she's doing the whole "monsters are the manifestation of someone's mental health" thing you guys have speculated, largely because she goes as far as to namedrop Myproana, which sounds like she's doing some '''research''' for Princess. I can't wait for her takes on mental illness!
>>695427>comes across as homophobic
It's because she is
and no amount of her trying to justify it by saying "i'm bi" is going to give her any 'gay cred'.
RMCAD Anon again. Sorry about the namefagging, but I gotta fact check her here.>>695386
She's saying that Profs. and students at RMCAD have shit on her manga-esque style. That's nonsense- literally the only time I've seen anime-influenced art criticized here is in life-drawing classes. Otherwise, people here don't mind manga- I've literally seen people study manga artists for sequential illustration classes.
People are also pretty accepting of gay art- just not the exploitative kind Holly makes. Same goes for NSFW art. I literally saw a paper-mache sculpture made out of pictures of cocks at a gallery here once.
Profs here also generally don't "force" people to like things. I've disagreed with professors on pieces before, and they're usually respectful of my opinion. They honestly prefer for somebody to hate artworks than for them to not engage with it at all.>>695387
She posted a different version of this for a Digital Illustration class I had with her months ago. Why she's only posting something this old now is beyond me.
The hands look like shit, as usual.>>695332
Her attempts to define the arm muscles here just make the arms look like wrinkly Slim Jims. The neck is too thin and the lines on the torso make no sense.
It seems like she drew this to "prove" to us that her anatomy doesn't suck. Even though it still obviously does kek
Definitively! It's going to be such a mess. Thank you anon, you're mvp <3>>695473
Loool, of course she would say that, that way her failures depend on her special animu gay style, and not the wonk.
Some of them did, actually. Holly just knows nothing when it comes to art history.
Iolaus and St. Sebastian are two characters commonly seen in homosensual art from classical antiquity and the Rennaisance respectively. Many artists and poets have interpreted the relationship between Achilles and Patroklus from the Iliad as romantic.
Michelangelo is widely believed to have been gay- his work also occasionally had homoerotic undertones. Donatello's David is also regarded by art historians as having strong homoerotic undertones.
Henry Scott Tuke and JC Leyendecker are examples of modern "masters" known for homosensual art.
But these are generally things actual gay people are likely to appreciate, not fujoshi like Holly.
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This shit is starting to drive me nuts. She's on every channel even slightly art related. Like, everywhere, it's inescapable. Why is she even trying to get in with the rant community? No-one really finds the respectable except other ranters and beginner teenage artists
Ugh, she probably just says that because that's what every other dork who sells prints at cons says.
She's probably never even done a study of his art. Maybe if he was actually an inlfuence to her, her drawings wouldn't be such garbage.
Honestly, her calling Leyendecker an influence is like Nickelback listing Beethoven as an influence.
im convinced the only reason she even looks in his direction is bc he's gay. otherwise, she'd just disregard him as pointless bc he doesn't draw the gay animus
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From her Twitter, the caption for this was, 'fav Simon I've drawn in a while' and I'm like wheeze laughing. His shoulder is just too good
The people interpreting the art as gay are historians who make a living out of studying art and art movements, dumbass. I guarantee you they take the values of the time period into account.
What, you think same-gender relationships didn't exist until Stonewall? That gay/bisexual people just materialized out of the ether in the 50 years ago? Get a clue.
What views? That gay people exist!? That's not a view, you tard.
They literally have love sonnets that Michelangelo wrote to another dude. Some of these guys are on fucking record as being taken to court for sodomy.
I'm going to historically revise your ass with my boot. Now stop derailing.
>>695517>because i thought how cool it'd be to a man>except i love who i am
Okay Holly, if you say so.
I don't want to derail your conversation with Hollyesque anon about historical gayness (especially since we all know that gayness is strictly romantic, sex doesn't count), but does anyone remember the video where Holly talks about getting hit on by women, and thinking it was weird because she was so feminine with pink hair, not butch at all etc?
Holly thinks lipstick lesbians don't real apparently, then gets weirded out when women flirt with her.
But she's totally bi amirite guys?
i think every bi girl in this thread has met a girl like holly ''te-he-hee im bi but just for really hor girls // girls hitting on me is weird ugh // but i dont look like a butch??'' and just… sight
istg holly, the LGBTQ+ community would be better if you just left gay men alone and stopped trying to get tumblr points by saying girls can be cute
I love how easy it is to see she traces, she gives it away far too easily. I could forgive her if she was making a guide skeleton with a pose ref. because she was having issues with it but she tried to make this super defined, muscular twink body over a traced ref and just plopped one of her creepy deformed heads ontop, the style of the head and body dont even mix, she tries to hard to be realistic anime while being cartoon anime while also trying to trace it all
holly, just give up art and take a small business degree already it's literally what you want to do, you dont want to make art you want to run a business>>695517
holly understand trans-people as well as she understand gay people, not at all!
Dissapointed but not suprised.
And I wonder why my atanomy from my art is a little off.
Huion. They seem to send their tablets to basically anyone, so I'm not surprised Holly gets multiple. I've also seen Ugee and XP, but less often. >>695488
They did though. Holly could learn a lot about "the gay shit" and homoreotic art if she tried.
THE FACE!! >>695607
inb4 "sappho wasn't lesbian it's historical revisionism!!"
Ugee isn't terrible, i have their m708 and it works good enough without breaking the bank, not many pressure settings tho, but huion sends holly a new tablet like every month so it's nothing new>>695714
pretty much this. she pulls the bi card so people will shut up when they point out all she does is fetishise gay men, and her fans will buy into it because they think like her on the matter "the gay shit is good shut up sjw">>695576
does she even know how to draw anymore? wtf is with simons mouth lately?
she doesn't its really obvious
i'm the anon that said she should get a business degree because fuck she should, it's all she thinks about is making money.
there's probably a thousand other jobs or fields she could get into and make money and hate her life less but that would mean not sitting at home all day on her ass bitching on twitter and youtube
and we all know thats a big part of why she cant leave her house, or work on her art
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this is slightly ot but her necks havent improved which isn't that surprising but yeah
sage next time okay?
and of course it hasnt, she traces everything you arent gonna get better if you just trace everything
It doesnt matter what degree she gets, what she really needs to work on is her people skills.
Who's going to want to do any kind of business with a dumbass bitch who doesn't know how to work with or talk to people…?
She made it abundantly clear she doesn't want to work with or play nice with others when she
a) shit on the animation industry before promptly giving up on animation.
b) shit on her colorist for paranormal plague in the very beginning of its creation (colored pages which she promptly threw away in favor of b/w)
c) shit on the zine artists that she
chose and dropped the ball on all fronts.
Business degree doesn't mean shit if you can't and won't be willing… to do business
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Pfft she sure is proud of that awful drawing of Simon, isn't she?
His weird Kamina glasses are really stupid and they make him impossible to take seriously. Why the fuck couldn't he have had oval or square glasses?
Is she a former Homestuck or something?
>>696002>"I make OCs and Comics because I hate children" >"Some people say they don't have maternal instics but they're lying to themselves, it's totally true for me though"
W h e w.
Kek, and she said "sup sluts" again after anon pointed out that she got it from MewTripled >>695218
I'm all for making OCs, but it's really a crutch for her, she just sloppily draws the same five people over and over again.
>>696002>i was made to be a storyteller!!!>i have a fucking comic that's basically about a cult religion, and you know… That's pretty niche!
It's super basic, and it isn't handled in an interesting way, so no.>>696026
The way she talks about herself vs. other women is so weird. Holly's motivations are always pure, unlike those other sjw bitches uwu
SHE WROTE FANFIC!! oh g.d i want to read that shit so badly. i mean, i would probably need to rip my eyeballs out after, but i want to experience the hilarity of holly 'can't properly plot and do pacing' brown's fic
and yes, holly, shipping real people is creepy, whether you send it to people or not doesn't change the fact that THESE ARE ACTUAL FUCKING PEOPLE JFC!!
(i'm the anon who wondered why she didn't just write her stories when it didn't seem like she particularly enjoys drawing it, btw)
>>one of the reasons i like making characters: I FUCKING HATE CHILDREN!
how much of an absolute asshole do you have to be, holly. you do realize that the majority of your audience is kids, right?
as someone who probably won't have children myself, there's a difference between 'i don't want to raise a kid' and 'kids are so fucking annoying and disgusting and I HATE THEM!!'
i had my suspicions that the vast majority of fiction she’s read has only been bad yowie lemon~ fanfics, and now i’m 99% sure that’s the case. kek seize read just like a godawful bondage fanfic written by a 12 yr old, and the horribly drawn anatomy (aside from being a holly staple) made it obvious that she’s never watched gay porn or understands how it works (between two ppl w/ penises in this case). i’m sure that some mcr fanfic written by master storyteller H. c. BRoWn is somewhere out there. (i’m assuming it’s mcr fanfic since someone mentioned her writing about real life ppl and she seems like she would have been into that edgy teen band fanfic shit.)
why in the world would you tell your audience that you hate children. no one wants to hear someone say that, especially when they have kids of their own that they love. it makes them wary of letting their children be around you. just bc you don’t want kids and don’t want to deal with any, doesn’t mean you have to automatically fucking despise every child out there, HoLlY. she has no empathy for anyone else. the irony is how much she acts like a womanchild.
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dafuq is with the buildings…
also no shadows Holli. it aint hard
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>>696073>all these wonky ass buildings
Is it really so hard for her to use a fucking grid?
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She made this comment on her video. And no Holly, it's because you're all sperg children with no actual creativity beyond that of a Sims character creator. Also the Deviantart rant community? Very few of them draw their own OCs. Most of those sprites are commissions. But don't worry they're suuper creative and qualities to rant about people who can actual draw, just like you!
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Btw, her dig at artists who do "pretty girls" with flowers? This is her comment on sakuems videos. Literally everyone knows she's talking about baylee/sakuems/other popular youtubers. She's not like other girls! She draws men lmfao
why are the windows/doors)whatever the fuck on the left so crooked??>>696118
honestly it's so funny to me that she spams other youtubers for attention and never gets noticed because she's such a wretched piece of shit that no one wants to associate with her.
kek Sakuems is one of the founders of the YTAC that Holly shit on because she wasn't a part of it. It was the zodiac theme vid where she was essentially saying "Fine i don't wanna join ur dumb team anyway, Astrology is dumb af anyway and if you believe it you're a dumbass sorry lol" >proceeds to draw her zodiac sign and overwork the piece to death.
She just burns bridges everywhere she goes, then has the nerve to try to give advice to people that she hasn't even tried properly herself.
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i think she's linked some mcr fanfiction she's read on one of her sketch dumpshttps://archiveofourown.org/works/231221https://archiveofourown.org/works/155168https://archiveofourown.org/works/207941
just to give you a taste on what kind of stuff she reads (and possibly bases her comics off of)
>>696125>Miyazaki like that kinky shit
Somebody stop her immediately. >>696135
Didn't she also read this some gross gravity falls fanfiction on an off-channel she was going to dedicate to reading off dumb fanfics? And then was going to make a print of a moment in said
Gold, thank you anon! What the hell is wrong with his arms in the top right? How is this supposed to work? Nothing in this comic looks connected, it's like everyone is floating in a wonky, white space hell oh god.>>696132
I'll bet ten bucks that he will be a stipper that sells sex on the side.
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everything about these are horrible omgthe lady looks like an old man in drag and i would have thought so if i didn't know that was a woman before hand, and what is her obsession with making these weird lumpy cat mouths? it looks fucking retarded, every face looks constipated and pissed off they can't take a proper shit, and the slave shop is called pretty boys? REALLLY HOLLY? WAT
also proof she traces over fucking screen tone of all things because the brink where being traced and she gave up halfway
jesus you couldnt even use the screen tone right
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God between this and >>696076
I'm so thirsty for this fucking milk? Everything Holly attempts is a fujoshit trainwreck.
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>idk no spoilers
WHAT DO YOU MEAN NO SPOILERS? Oh god…
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yo holly, why u sexualizing japanese armor..if u even looked for 5 seconds, u would find out why ashitaka wears something like that, (its not sex appeal reason in case you were wondering holly uhg gross)
Honestly, Holly sees sex in fucking everything
and it's super disgusting feeling. It's obvious she has some fucking issues she needs to address, not spread around on youtube and twitter like a big old stain for everyone to see. If she ever gets over this phase of her life, she'll have years and years of absolute gross and childish behavior publicly and permanently stuck to her like shit. I would feel sorry but she puts this on herself by ignoring literally everyone trying to tell her to stop.
Says the person bringing up irrelevant derailing that happened like 800 posts upthread lmao
You sure you're
not the one making Holly look smart?
she's a hypersexual virginal retard who has idealized shitty yaoi animes so much that she will never be able to get laid because no one is as perfect as skinny gay bois and boys and girls have nothing in common anyway uwuuuu
I firmly believe she is nothing but an overgrown fujo who should've stopped behaving like this in high school.
Anon I think you misunderstood what I meant. I wasn't accusing >>696379
of literally being one of the people in the argument, I was trying to say that their behavior is dumber than the anon they're attacking.
Like, anon's making Holly look smart by restarting old arguments, thereby making them a hypocrite.
Wtf Anon I've been agreeing with you the whole time! I was calling them out in >>696409
, not defending them.
Jesus Christ, reading comprehension.
Yeah Miyazaki is very careful to avoid sexual undertones in his films. All of the love is very innocent and romantic. Even kisses between couples are rare.
The most sexual thing to happen in a Ghibli film is in Princess Mononoke when the women of Iron Town are stated to be former prostitutes, or maybe in Howl's Moving Castle when Howl's towel falls off.
It's the antithesis of pandery shit like Queen's Blade and Free.
Yes anon I was responding to the wrong post my bad.
Anyway let's all just please move on from this confusion derail argument now.
How much yall wanna bet that the monsters they meet with ppl having illnesses are based on the 7 deadly sins bullshit. Like, tinfoiling here, but with princess' eating disorder and reese's "day" job as an escort would it be any surprise shed make certain illnesses anagolous to sins? It's not too far off considering she won't shut up about fma.
Or maybe I'm just reading into it, since that's a terrible way to handle it/holly isn't good enough to write that kind of thing.
If she did do that it would be so blatantly ripped from FMA. >>696441
There is going to be some completely bullshit reason he HAS to be an escort because some debt or family member with medical problems or some secret 'Reese is secretly so good and pure and self sacrificing uwu' reason for him to be an escort. Oh and throw in some black mail from secret evil character. These are all yaoi badfic staples for escort aus. They're complete garbage and in every fandom.
Also I checked out those MCR fics she recc'd, they are terribly written and just scream Wattpad tier teen wank fest.
>>696014>Is she a former Homestuck or something?
Wait… stairs? I still can't unsee sidewalk. Holy shit.
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You're not entirely wrong wrong, but "I can see a butt so it must be sexual" is also not a reasonable conclusion.
But what do I know, this scene is clearly just Miyazaki (sub)conciously pandering to pedos.
sage for irrelevant discussion
the only anime holly knows to get any kind of inspiration (rip-off) is fucking FMA, she treats it like the most godly anime ever created.
Again notice the uniforms in the elf rape comic? its the alchimest uniforms, all holly knows is cheating, tracing, and lying.>>696441
Really tho? The guy would be able to do very damn good for himself so i swear to god if it turns out he was "sold or trapped into sex work" like her most fav thing ever to fall back on it seems i will lose my mind, she really needs to take a literature class because she can't keep falling back onto these creepy damn tropes all the time
also stop derailing with the usless miyazaki shit anons, seriously
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Yeah, looked at the uniforms too, nice ripoffs from FMA. Inspiration is fine but she probably hasn't research army structure and ranks at all and I'm betting the stars on that "lady" elf in the comic have no meaning, just copied off of her precious FMA. But hey, why put actual effort into worldbuilding when you can just lift off of successful artists?
Holly BRown? Research? Are you high anon? Why would someone so intelligent and skilled need to do research
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idk dont worry yall she fixed it lol
Either that, or he's being pimped out by the beefy mafia bois to pay for a debt.
I guess it can't be helped for her to write outside of her own experiences since she never goes anywhere, but if she wants to tackle things like religious cults, prostitution and the military, she really needs to do some research.
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Anon, he looks just as stupid and Dorito chinned as usual
I think you might need glasses
Like it doesn’t even matter Holly most of your subs are going to leave a like just because you posted a video not because they actually LIKED it or found it useful/entertaining, it’s what stans do
Holly, the ultimate BRown-noser should know that first hand
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If she's a former Homestuck, does that mean she lifted elements of this character design? (Pic related)
What the fuck, the art in Homestuck is awful, why would someone think it's a good idea to copy it?>>696619
Homegirl be lurking lol
She loves anime yet pulled the anime glasses from Homestuck rather than the anime that inspired that particular Homestuck character. She’s a weeb that only knows one anime.
And that being said if she actually watched Gurren Lagan I know she would weeb out about Kamina and make disgusting art of him.
I think the character in >>696752
is an intentional reference to Kamina.
He's also gay, which make him an ideal target for Holly.
"Look, mom! The numbers on my computer mean the 12 year olds think I'm cool!"
"Does this mean you'll start paying rent?"
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Predictions? Mine would be Damian walking in on Hitler raping Simon tbh.
….i literally cringed at this. Please tell me she is going to put some sauce, or soup or fucking SOMETHING with those god foresaken noodles. That shit looks drier than her art. Jfc.
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Yaoi boy rape is the only flavor she needs
if hes supposed to be ginger then where are all his freckles? has she never seen a ginger before?
(sorry for going kind of off topic)
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I guess this is her attempt at a "break the cutie"-moment, overall I'd say it's the least worst thing she's done in a while, still p bad though.
Not all gingers have freckles all over, but I get what you mean.
Also what is she going to do when her fanbase outgrows her? She appeals to all the edgy highschoolers now, but whats going to happen when they outgrow/loose interest in this shit? She just going to be a fujo into her thirties and forties?
Other edgy high schoolers will just find her. It's a revolving door fanbase.
It'd be sad but also hilarious if she kept with the fujo shit into her mid-20s to 30s though.
Or her hitting her 20th lolcow thread. Whichever comes first.
NGL this made me laugh a little bit, and dude on right doesn't look horribly drawn but Simon looks like he's floating on the bed in the rest of the pages lol. Why can't she make her characters interact with the setting? Shouldn't the bed have a dip in it?>>697067>She just going to be a fujo into her thirties and forties?
Ack, probably. Those types still exist, even some that are in their 50s.
There's not even visual cues that this is an unhealthy relationship or that Simon's being coerced. The rapist looks like a sympathetic single dad or something, too, with his posing and the expressions and all that.
If I didn't know the context, I would 100% believe this is meant to be a vanilla ero-comic with an age gap or Pretty Woman scenario.
Hitler and Simon did seem a little more… Human in this one, that might just be because there is actually things happening though. Overall, this is such an odd scene, especially with the "cute pillow Simon"-picture she was so proud of previously, what sort of mood is that supposed to set? Definitely tinfoiling a bit here, but I'm sort of worried that she will use these pages as armour if she ever gets more shit for bashing rape victims. "Look! Stockholm syndrome!! Wow, this scene is so complex, I totally understand the effects of sexual abuse now, it's meant to be emotional, therefore I don't have a rape fetish!" etc, like that time she showed a page of Seize to prove that she isn't like OTHER fujos.
Has Simon's shoulders always been so weird and tiny, or is this a thing with the striped polo? It really creeps me out.
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the shoulders used to be too big so she fixed it by making them too small.
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Not sure if this scene is supposed to be dramatic or comedic, but it's hilarious either way. Why did he kiss him? Why is this happening? What is she trying to write?
She's trying to write a breaking point for Simon where his attitude towards the rapist changes out of some self-destructiveness/despair/desensitization thing. My issue is that this meltdown has his molester as the sympathetic figure who is showing emotions the reader would empathise with (being worried for Simon or just plain confused).
If you want to write your twink as so fucked up he's seeking some sort of emotional support in his molester, that's fine (though it would have required foreshadowing), but you need to establish a lot more distance towards this so I don't feel like you want me to like the moustache guy. Just drawing the rapist as a lot more unattractive would already create this distance (but then she couldn't fap to the rape I guess).
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Bless you anon this made me laugh so fucking hard
I mean people didn't wear toothbrush moustaches in the fifties, either. Because, y'know. Hitler.
Also, Simon does not look like a kid from the fifties. The shaggy hair and turtleneck read as seventies or present day to me.
Did Holly not do any research on her time period?
i wish someone she would listen to would tell her that it's okay to abandon your teenage projects
like, holly is how old now? 22? and she's been "plotting"/"writing"/drawing purgatory since high school, right? it's no wonder she's still acting like this when she keeps constantly going back into the headspace of the depressed teen who conjured up that story, jfc
my first story i wrote at 17 was cringey bullshit, too. i never finished it, i can't even go over it to "fix it" bc it's just that bad. that's not a bad thing in general, but you gotta understand that the stuff you produce at 16/17/18 will probably not be the greatest ever, and realizing that and either making an effort to fix the crap, or scrapping the thing/letting it go unfinished is an option
unless, of course, she wants to keep making cringey stuff like this and would rather not grow at all. which, tbh, is probably the case, since at least the cringerape stuff gets her coin from her edgelord teenie fans.
Hit the nail on the head. Not only did Holly completely handwave any explanation for how or why Simon would get involved with his own rapist, just like how she handwaved any explanation for how or why Simon and Damien got into a relationship because she couldn't be bothered and just wanted to skip to the "good bits" (rape,) she's now making the fucking rapist the most three-dimensional character in the entire story.
The other reason this update is so bad is because it suggests Simon could ever feasibly hold the power in this "relationship." She's showing Atarah as being vulnerable, and Simon as taking charge of the situation and laying down rules, and suggesting that Atarah actually cares about Simon's wellbeing. Holly, Atari raped a minor and then groomed him into a secret relationship, and even before that, he held a position of power over him as a religious/community figure with great influence over Simon's and his dad's lives. To imply that Simon would have any power or leverage in this situation, or that Atarah would be concerned for the mental health of a kid he raped and then manipulated into a relationship, is reprehensible and proof that Holly should never be allowed within 1000 feet of a rape plot.
But catch Holly deflecting all criticism with something like "Wow I can't believe people are saying I'm not allowed to have sympathetic villains! And that there's only one right way to write about rape survivors! Wow!" She's trying to write something fucked up, and she is, but for the completely wrong reasons, so I bet she tries to dismiss critics with "It's SUPPOSED to be bad!"
Holly seriously doesn't get why her obsession with rape is inappropriate. It's like she thinks that this is just a normal thing that the majority of her audience would be into, instead of coming from way the fuck out of left field and being jarring to a lot of her young followers. She's shoving it into all her stories because she gets off on it and it's so revealing and gross.>>697351
Obviously it's an alternate reality but it's set in the alternate reality's equivalent of the 50s, Holly has said it herself. It's like how Fullmetal Alchemist is set in an alternate reality but it's still clearly that universe's equivalent of the 1930s/40s, because Holly tries to badly copy FMA in everything she makes.
Yeah, I get that this is supposed to be a breaking point for Simon's character, but their relationship has no build-up so there's no impact, and rapist just seems confused and concerned. If anything, the rapist shows more character development because he seems to realise that this kid is really fucked up now.
She has no idea how to build tension or write a character arc. >>697354
The thing is, it's not like the core idea of the story is unsalvagable, so she wouldn't have to drop it altogether. It's not like anything she tackled now would be any better (see: Paranormal Plague and the Chroma Prince thing), because Holly seems to just not care about the integrity of the story, she just draws whatever she read in a manga once and thought was kinda cool.
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>>me reading this purgatory update
What is she even doing with this comic anymore. She's written herself into a corner a long, long time ago. She should just give it up and free up some space to make paranormal plague. Just pull the plug, Holly, this one's on life support that you can't really afford anymore. Put the comic out of its misery.
>>697427>Holly literally skipped that because drawing/writing that out would have been WAY too complex for her to get it right.
I dont even think thats the reason
she skipped all the serious, real character developing story because she wanted to get to what she calls the "gay shit" because it's her kink, twinks getting raped is her fucking thing because shes a degenerate fujo that thought Killing Stalking was how real kink works in gay relationships
I understand being annoyed with misinformation, but how is saying the character looks like Hitler an assumption? Seems more like an observation.
Invoking Hitler visually is some harsh ass imagery, but it seems like Holly wants not-Hitler to be a sympathetic character. Like why give the guy such an evil visual connotation if making him cartoonishly evil isn't the objective?
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Quick question, wasn't he lying down in the "was my mom a whore" panel? He's standing up in the very next page with no panels showing him do that. How does she think that this is good?? Not to mention the complete lack of background, like they're floating in the void>>697351
Who the fuck cares when it's supposed to be set when it's shit no matter what?
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LMAAAOOOO I decided to check out the rest few recent (previous) pages and check this panel out, broken ankles in full swing when his legs are supposed to be hanging off the bedframe. Also, extra shoutout to his collarbones and boobs (?) showing through his shirt on >>697483
Just how tight is that sweater??
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new chroma page, also nitpick maybe but she said it was daily and she already missed yesterday…. smh
Please make this a meme>>697573
I actually like the elf lady's design. She'd look cute if someone other than Holly drew her