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Timeline of Raven and Josh's Animals

See >>>/pt/608901 to read Raven's quotes about the dogs listed here.

Josh started a Facebook group for local stray dogs and is a member of several others.
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07/17 Marmalade is fatally hit by a truck when she follows Logan into the street. He had taken her to live with him at his mom's house after he and Raven separated.
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10/17 A stray dog that had taken up residence on Josh's mom's property is fatally shot by a neighbor with an arrow.
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11/17 Josh moves Chubby and Big Boy, both black dogs, to the first shack. They were originally strays that wandered onto Josh's mom's property while he lived there. They are not allowed inside the shack and are unrestrained on the property. A stray white dog, accompanied by other stray dogs, visits frequently for food. Raven wants to keep the white dog because it looks like a wolf.
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11/17 Raven talks about how much Josh's dogs like her and her feelings about dogs. "I've said it before, I don't like dogs. Various things over the course of my life have made me not like dogs. I used to like dogs. I've tried having dogs. My little Skellie, I loved him so much. The Leonbergers were all right. They weren't my dogs, though, they were my exes. I've had dogs in the past that I've loved to death. And then we had the little fucking bitch that attacked my Marmalade, and she just kind of turned me against dogs. That, and then the neighbor's dog just was always barking and barking and barking and barking and barking and barking and barking. I don't like barking. I'm like, fuck dogs. But Josh had five fucking dogs. Then there was the one that got shot with an arrow and died. And he's still really upset about that. But he brought two of them here, and they like me."
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11/17 A week later she complains, "I haven't got much sleep for the past three days. One of Josh's dogs is just outside just barking and barking non-fucking-stop."
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12/17 Chubby and Big Boy disappear, but Raven does not disclose this until January 13th. "Josh's dogs vanished. They wandered off maybe three weeks ago. I don't know where they went. He's been going crazy looking for them. First the big black one left, and we don't know where he went. He walked all up and down the road. He looked in the ditches, he drove all over the area, he went to all the neighbors. Nobody knows where he is. And the little one was here and then I petted him, sat down with him, and then he just up and wandered off, too, like that same day. Right after I petted him he just took off, and he hasn't been back, either. So nobody knows where they went or what happened." Later in the video she spends time with the white dog and another stray.
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12/17 Josh is pictured holding an unidentified small dog that appears to be elderly and blind.
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01/18 Josh gives Raven a 5 month old male Ragdoll kitten named Cashmere, or Cas for short, for New Years.
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01/18 Three days later Raven inquires about a tortie kitten on a cat rescue Facebook page.
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01/18 On the same day they adopt Meg, a female tabby kitten that was found stuck in a tree, as a playmate for Cas.
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I posted a timeline of Raven's animals in New Zealand.
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A few days later she posts a video about Marmalade.
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01/18 Raven gives Josh a 7 month old female mixed Chihuahua puppy as a surprise "because he's been so sad about his dogs running away". He names her Astrid / Azzy. This is their third pet acquisition in 17 days. Three days later she makes a post voicing their concerns that Azzy displays signs of having been abused.
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??/18 Azzy "is stolen" when Raven leaves her unattended in the yard, but she does not disclose this until 03/18.
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02/18 Cas and Meg (now identified as male) are rehomed together. Raven asks for $50 for Cas. Azzy is not mentioned. Raven gives conflicting reasons having to do with both their old and new landlords.
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03/18 They adopt an unnamed Golden Retriever Black Lab cross from the same woman from whom they adopted Meg. They return the dog a few days later when his family change their minds.
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Raven posts a video defending her checkered history.
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I updated the timeline of Raven's animals in New Zealand.
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Transcript of her video about rehoming Mr. Marshmallow and buying Loki and Dante in New Zealand.
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03/18 They adopt Doja, an 11 year old blind and deaf male Pit Bull, from a dog rescue. Raven sets up a Facebook page about him. She and Autumn, who runs the dog rescue, solicit donations for his medical care.
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??/18 They find Stormy, an abandoned newborn orange male kitten, under the second shack.
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04/18 Doja is rehomed with Connie, the woman from the rescue who had previously fostered him, but Raven does not disclose this until 10/18. She says that Doja ate Stormy while she was napping, leaving behind only tiny fragments of bone and teeth.
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05/18 They adopt Ember (Marmalade 2), Jelly, and Miss Pretty, sister calico and tortie kittens. They had arranged to adopt them before they got Doja but agreed to wait until they were 12 weeks old to take them which was after Doja had been rehomed.
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??/18 They buy Loki, a 2 year old male white Siberian Husky with white eyes for $235.
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08/18 They buy Cocoa Pebbles, a 5 week old female Shi Chi (Shih tzu Chihuahua cross) puppy, for $330.
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11/18 They sell Pebbles for $200 because she was attacking Loki.
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11/18 Ember is killed by the neighbors' dog when all three cats escape after people working on their shack left the door open, but her body bears not a single mark.
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11/18 They find Pumpkin Pie, a 1 month old female orange kitten, under a bush at a grocery store.
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11/18 They adopt Zero, a 2 month old female calico kitten, as a companion for Pumpkin.
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11/18 They return Pumpkin to her family after seeing their lost cat fliers at the grocery store.
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11/18 They are planning to adopt two 3 month old unrelated orange and tortie kittens.
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11/30/18 They acquire Lucipurr, a 6 to 7 week old white medium hair kitten after the woman holding the two kittens did not call them back.
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12/16/18 They adopt Bowie, a 1 1/2 year old Husky Eskimo Spitz German Shepherd mix that was abused by its previous owner's son.
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01/19/19 She creates a Facebook account for Lucipurr and listed his family members. Jelly, one of the three sister cats, is conspicuously absent and does not appear in any photos.

01/19/19 They acquire Jessabelle, a 4 month old medium hair calico.
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02/02/19 They adopt Lucipurr's pregnant mother and rename her Lili. She is 1 1/2 years old. This will be her third litter.
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02/15/19 They take Bowie, Lucipurr, Miss Pretty, Zero, and Jessabelle to a spay and neuter clinic in Spartanburg. Miss Pretty got pregnant when she and her sisters escaped in November and miscarried.
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02/17/19 Lili gives birth to six orange kittens, three female and three male.
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03/15/19 Lili makes her last appearance in Raven's videos and photos. A month later Raven posted a video of preparing a large bowl of formula milk for the kittens as part of their morning routine.
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04/19/19 She posts a second video of sexing the kittens. She says they will be spayed and neutered at around ten weeks of age before they go to their new homes. They are named Cuppycake, Fruit Stripe, Pennywise, Jucifur, Chuckie, and Catthew. She describes Catthew as "the one that had hurt Lili".
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All about cat pregnancy, labor, and after birth

15,027 subscribers

Published on May 17, 2019

All the questions I get asked, answered in one place:

How to tell if your cat is pregnant?
How to tell when they're in labor?
How to feel the babies in her stomach safely?
What to do during birthing?
Is it ok to touch the kittens?
How to sex a kitten?
Can you bathe a kitten?
When to change the nest to a bigger one?
When should you rehome them?

Bonus: How to cut their claws

Cat in labor: https://youtu.be/S4ydJVobM7M
Cat birth: https://youtu.be/KoXkLBWmASs

Being in Facebook jail http://archive.is/SO2FK was probably related to whatever drama she has going on [pic related].

She now lists Jamesville, NC as her location on one profile
http://archive.is/6NnFI

Josh's new employment http://archive.is/hGX7J

And was Facebook jail the reason here, too?

>>662956

Somehow he has three different noses.

She captured him in fine form fidgeting with his ear…

…and scratching his head.

The tattoos on her knee look like just scraped it after tripping over her platforms.

She should've taken her classic Raven-lying-on-the-ground pic at the end of the shoot…

…so she wouldn't have pine needles tangled in her wig in others.

Those sloppy laces tho.

Hopefully we've seen the last of the blue and rainbow wigs.

Another new profile pic. It's only nudity when she says it is.

Further enlightening the haters on agoraphobia.

She quit her job at the tattoo shop when Josh got more hours.

Her new extra profile was only a day old and she was already beating them off with a stick http://archive.is/AVyde

>>662970
I mean… what she‘s saying is true though… ?

>>662980

It's more the fact that she is compelled to defend herself if anyone says anything in the least bit to the contrary.

>>662959
Josh’s proportions make him look really weird here, like a strange deformed midget wood gnome.

>>662966
Those Herman Munster feet in those shoes…

>>662955
Why is she filing a report on herself?

>>662981
The ring on her thumb is cutting off her circulation. Her fingers are clearly too fat for it.

>>662985
I was thinking that too. His proportions make him look a hobbit and a human hobo got drunk, had sex, and he was the result of that mistake. His fashion sense is on par with Onision's, which says a lot. Maybe it's from being in the vicinity of a narc.

>>662985

He looks just as stiff and wooden as the tree he is leaning against.

How much did she shoop or filter his face? I don't use those apps so I'm no good at judging.

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[transcript]

Hi, guys! Uh, I'm gonna attempt to make this video that I have wanted to make for a while ever since um…God, I think it dates way back to when Marmalade had her kittens, and then again I thought about it after Lili had her kittens, and I just haven't really seemed to find…have found the time or the, I don't know, the urge to sit here and get dressed and, like, want to make a video. But I've had so many repetitive questions that I thought it would be a good time to kind of write down the common questions that I've gotten from people and make them in one video. So this is just a quickish, hopefully, video on kittens, cats, cat care, different points, different things people wonder about, mostly about pregnancy.

Okay, so first of all I get asked a lot how to tell if your cat is pregnant. If you have let your cat outside and she's in heat, most likely she's pregnant. The first sign is if their nipples are pink and swollen. It takes awhile before they start to show. By the time a cat starts showing they're probably around two weeks to a month from giving birth. So basically once they show they're pretty close. Once you can feel the babies kicking almost as a rule they're gonna give birth two weeks later. So um, the first thing to look for, monitor the nipples. Once the nipple start turning pink then you look for their bellies to start growing, and then you look for them to start losing the hair around their nipples, and then you start looking for or feeling the babies moving. That way you can kind of estimate about how long it'll be.

Now, how to feel the babies. You have to be very gentle. Hopefully your cat trusts you enough that you can rub her tummy. If you can rub her tummy the best thing to do is just have her lay on you. Don't force her. Don't grab her. Don't make her stay still so that you can touch her stomach. Wait until she's asleep or laying calmly or laying on your lap which is even better. Gently place your hand like this underneath her. Let her lay…you know, because you can see the bulges on the sides of her tummy. By the time you can see those bulges you should be able to feel the babies. You should be able to see them through her skin or her fur if she's got short hair or you'll see the fur rippling if she's got long hair. But if you place your hand like this and she nests her tummy into your hand, you just lay like this, leave you had open and loose, and you can feel the little kicks. Otherwise place your hand very gently on top of her. Don't squeeze. Don't push down.

Don't try to get in there and feel to see how many babies she might have. If you want to know that, go to a vet. They can scan, do an ultrasound, or feel, and they can tell you what they think. It's alright to guess, but do not try to probe in there and figure how many babies she might have. If you're smart…or if you're very, very good, not smart…if you're very, very good sometimes you can tell just by looking. You can kind of estimate how many might be on each side because there's, like, two channels where the babies are, they're lined up like this, and the babies will come like this, so sometimes you can kind of judge. But again, without an ultrasound it's not a hundred percent. It's just a fun little game you can play with yourself to guess how many babies you might have.

Now, how to tell if they're in labor. Cats are different. They…just like humans they show different signs when they go into labor. Marmalade, she let me know one hundred percent. She, she didn't pay any attention to the nesting boxes that I had placed around the house. That is one thing both cats have had in common. They don't care about the nesting boxes. They know what they want, they know where they want to be, they know what they want to do. It's a good to still have them. A nesting box is just a box or crate or drawer or cabinet where you have blankets, it's dark, it's out of the way, it's private, and somewhere that they can give birth and feel safe and raise the babies and feel safe away from, you know, the traffic of the home or a lot of noise and commotion. So you want to have somewhere just quiet and safe and secure. The more safe and secure it is the less chance she will pick up the babies and keep trying to move them and finding somewhere that she feels safe and secure. So um, your cat might not use them, they might use them, but it's always a good idea to have them. And have more than one, don't just have one box and expect them to use it. You have them set up usually in places they like to go or places they kind of sniff around a lot.

Marmalade didn't pay any attention. Uh, she woke me up. It was early in the morning and she came to me and she was crying and screaming and she kept leading me. She was guiding me. It was my first experience with a cat doing that to me so I was like, what's the matter? What do you want? What's the matter? And I just got up and I followed her and she'd just stop and turn around and look at me and meow and cry, walk off a little bit, turn and make sure I was following her, then she went straight into the box. She knew she wanted the box at that point. She went under the table. The reason I put it under the dining room table is because that's where she would always sleep. She loved being under the dining room table so I put the box there. I had a couple of other spots but she, she didn't care. She wanted to go to the place that was familiar for her so she went to that part under the table and she gave birth there.

Lili, she was a cat that we took in. And um, her owner had no where to go, and when she found a place to go they said absolutely no cats. She had nowhere. Her friends told her to just throw the cat on the side of the road or something. We said nope, we will take her. So we took her in and um, she gave birth two weeks later. She…I had nesting places set up all over. I had one over here, one over here, one in the bathroom, everywhere. She didn't want any of those places. There was no signs of labor.

Um, a lot of times about 24 to 48 hours before they go into labor they're supposed to stop eating and drinking. They kind of lose their appetite. The pace around. Sometimes you can see their water break. You can see, like, blood um, back of their hoo-hoo, you know, their hoo-ha. But usually there's pretty obvious signs of them going into labor. You might think, I wonder if they're going to labor? But usually what happens is you're like, how could I have ever wondered because it's so obvious. You know right away that they are going into labor.

Um, Lili really didn't have any of those signs. She ate and drank. She had the same kind of appetite. She didn't pace. She, she didn't do anything. She was always really talkative so she never stops talking. And I went to sleep…this was early in the morning again. I woke up. She had burrowed herself next to me under the blankets. And she had been cuddly anyway because, you know, when cats are pregnant they're usually very snuggly. They're very, very affectionate. And so she…I thought she was just being snuggly. And then I heard her scream and I was like, are you okay? Are you, are you giving birth? And I looked and she had had a kitten next to me. So I had no time to prepare. I definitely wasn't gonna move her.

Once you're in the birthing process you should not pick them up and not move them. The babies are on their way down. And if you grab the cat, stress her out, you could really, really screw things up. So it is best just to leave them even if they are in bed next to you. You can shampoo the bed, you can get a new bed, you can hire someone to clean it. It's not worth the kitten's life or the cat's stress to pick them up and move them. So I sat here. I got a pair of pajama pants to try to put under her. I tried…because I couldn't get up because she was leaning against my body. And if I got up I would've moved everything. I didn't want to startle her. I didn't want to get…have her think she needed to get up and move. So I just sat here and I let her give birth.

Now, it's not just back to back to back. [snaps fingers] They don't just spit out the kittens one right after the other. Usually there's a pause. It gives the cat time to recover in between kittens. She will give birth to one. She will eat the placenta. She gives birth to those separately. First it'll be the kitten and then after that she'll have the after birth. And she will chew off the umbilical cord and eat the after birth. It's not the kitten she's eating, it's after birth, so just don't freak out too much. Usually they will not need your help but it's good to monitor. Sometimes they take awhile to break the sac. Lili didn't break the sac of the second or the third one and the kitten was there gasping and I gently just pinched the sac and let it open. The kitten's face broke free and then she started licking them and cleaning them and everything was fine. We didn't lose a single kitten in that litter nor Marmalade's either.

Um, the kitten birth usually happens pretty easily. They know what to do. They don't need you to step in. But always monitor and be sure. If it's been quite awhile between kittens then you might wanna, you might wanna feel her stomach. You can, you can usually feel gently and know if the babies are still moving down or she's empty. You can tell sometimes by her demeanor if she's done because if she's laying there and she's more relaxed and she goes to sleep and she's just feeding her babies, usually that's a good sign that she's done. But uh, if you see something very startling or that doesn't look right of course follow your instincts and call your vet. But generally the most you might have to do with a very inexperienced or tired mom might be just break the sacs. And all you do is just gently [pinches her fingers] do that over the face. Don't touch the kitten. Don't try to rip it. Don't do anything like that. You just gently snip it. The sac is paper thin and it'll split right away. It's mostly just solidified water and it'll just open. As long as the kitten can breath, that's fine. If the kitten comes out and it's not breathing and the mom is not licking it, get a washcloth and just gently, gently try to wipe them, the mouth and the nose. Push on the chest, you know, very very very gently.

One of my cats in New Zealand that we thought was a boy, actually, at the time…we were told a boy and I don't know why we thought it was a boy the whole time…she got out. She got pregnant. We had no idea she was pregnant almost until the moment she gave birth. And um, first time mom…her and her sister, actually, both got out at the same time and both got pregnant. They had litters ten days apart. One of them the…I don't think the…they didn't break the [almost sneezes] they didn't break the sac and the kitten wasn't breathing. And I had to break the sac and wipe it down. And just, just the act of wiping it like the mom would lick it was enough to stimulate the kitten and it started breathing. And, and both of those litters survived as well.

So onward to after the birthing and everything's fine and the kittens are feeding and you've…if they're in bed with you, pick them up and move them. When is it okay to touch the kittens? A lot of people try to say that if you touch a kitten, the mom will reject it and the kitten will die. That is not true. It is not true at all. The mom will let you know if it is okay to touch her babies or not. If it is not okay she will pick them up and she will move them or she might growl at you or hiss at you. But you will definitely know if it's okay or not. If this is your pet and she trusts you, more than likely you'll be able to handle the kittens. You're supposed to pick them up, weigh them, make sure that they are gaining weight like they're supposed to. You can sex them. You shouldn't, of course, play with them or handle them too much. Don't handle them more than you should, you know, more than you need to while they're young. But you definitely can handle them if you have to because she will not reject them for that.

Um, when they're little, of course, they're going to be most likely, not a hundred percent the time, most likely they're going to be in a nest or somewhere dark and closed oft and safe. For instance, we had…after I moved them from my bed we put them under the sink because in the bathroom it's pretty quiet, it's dark. We, we left a light on for her. We closed one of the cabinet doors, left the other one open, had piles of blankets in there. But once the kitten's hit about three weeks their eyes were open and they started to move around a little more. Between three and four weeks is when they start to wander and explore. We didn't want them to fall out of the cupboard so I then picked them up and I moved them in here. I put them in another container. I it was just a plastic, like, storage container that I flipped on its side, put a blanket over it so it was like, you know [holds up her arm]…well, this doesn't have sleeves on it…but it was like a curtain over the…say this is a container and the curtain was like this so the entryway was dark and hidden. They had blankets in there. And they were where they could come out and explore, follow her around if they wanted to, and not fall out or hurt themselves. So when they hit between three-and-a-half and four weeks or you see them starting to move around and explore it is then safe to move them into a bigger or more populated area.

If a kitten hits eight weeks old without being touched or having human contact, that's where they're considered feral and it'll be very, very hard at that point to start getting them used to human contact. It is best if you have a litter of kittens, once their eyes are open and they spend a little bit more time exploring and getting to know each other, that you handle them as much as possible. Pat them, let them smell you, touch their paws so that they're used to having their paws touched. You can cut the claws. Touch their faces. Touch their stomachs. You get them used to being handled. This is where they're learning. They learn how to cat. They follow what their mother does. How their mother reacts to humans is also how they will react to humans because they see how she is. So it's very, very important to interact with them and let them know that humans are good, humans are safe. Get them used to what they're going to need to know for the rest of their lives.

Um, how to sex a kitten. I have another video showing this. Sexing a kitten, once you know what to look for, is very very very easy. The best times are to sex them when they're newborn or when they're a couple weeks old. In between it gets a little harder but essentially it's the same. With the boy there's a great space in between the butt and the genitals because what you're looking at is [she gestures with her fingers] this is gonna be the butt, the anus, and down here is going to be where they pee from. And around it is gonna be where the balls are going to be. So around here there's gonna be, like, two dimples, two areas where the balls will end up coming out. If there's a big space you have a boy. With a girl it's like an exclamation mark. It's, it's the butt and it's the vaginal opening, so it's essentially like this. So if the holes are very close together it's a girl. If there's a space it's a boy. That…they're very, very simple.

Can you bathe a kitten? Some kittens catch fleas really easily from the mother or if they have access to where another cat has been. You cannot give them flea treatment or any kind of medicine like that under eight weeks old. They're too small. It will poison them. It will greatly, greatly hurt them. You can bathe them, but again you should not bathe them unless you absolutely, absolutely have to you. And even then you should not put a kitten in water until they're at least four weeks old. It's best to get a washcloth to wash them down. If you have to, do it with that. If you have to put them in water they can catch a cold and they can die very, very easily at that age so be sure that you dry them off completely. It's just, it's just very risky for a young kitten for you to get them wet because of how easily they can get sick and they can die. They are so fragile. So if at all possible do not bathe them. Once they get older and bigger you can, you can do that. But you shouldn't do that for a little kitten unless, yeah, like I said, it is completely necessary.

Okay. With the mom, sometimes mothers are not good mothers and they don't take care of their kittens like they should. You should always be aware that the kittens are growing, they're eating, especially if there's a runt. Make sure the runt always has access to a nipple. Make sure they're eating, they're drinking, and defecating. They start peeing and pooing on their own around four weeks. And then they follow her. They look at the mom and they know how to cover it up. They might not cover it at first. They might miss the litter box. But they'll generally get the idea sooner or later.

Now Lili, Lili was a really bad mom. I don't know if she was like this for her other litters because Lucipurr was…he's an amazing kitten. There was no problems with him at all. It doesn't look like he suffered whatsoever, and he was with her until I got him. However with this litter, I don't know what it was. Maybe she's just over having kittens. But she, she was very negligent. She uh, she would attack them. She didn't play with them. She didn't interact with them.

And Cuppycake, the little fluffy one, I remember hearing her screaming and screaming and you could see her straining to go to the toilet. And Lili didn't even look at her. Usually, you know, the mother cat is very in tune with her kittens. She'll hear her kittens crying and she'll go and see what's going on. Lili didn't bother to go look. Uh, if you spend enough time around the kittens you'll know the difference between a hunger cry, a cry for mommy, and a pain cry. If there's a pain cry you need to check it right away. A little kitten can die within 24 hours if something goes wrong. This kitten hadn't gone poo and Lili had not been stimulating her. So I took…you take a warm washcloth and you gently wipe the genitals, the butt, and the…where they pee from, and you always try to mimic what the mom cat do by licking. And as you wipe the front they'll start to pee all over. And as you wipe the back poop will come out. Cause they can't poop and pee on their own. And when I did that to her a log came out that was half as big as her body. And I know that if we hadn't…if I hadn't taken notice or been around or been aware, hearing her cry and done that right away…I had to do it a couple of times for her…she probably wouldn't be here right now. She would have died. There was a lot of poop in there. And they have got to have help to expel that. And sometimes the mom cats just, they just don't do what the mom cats need to do. And so as the human parent you have to be aware of what is going on with the babies at all times.

Um, she uh, she would also…I haven't told anybody about Lili and the kittens yet, so I'm just gonna finish off with this little bit. Uh, they'd play around the fan sometimes. They were about four weeks old. And they wouldn't even be looking at her. They just be playing and doing their own thing because they're just learning to interact with the world around them. And she'd be walking by and she'd go out of the way…out of her way and go over to them and just attack them. And they got so scared. They were too scared to even walk by her. And she'd just hiss and growl and just attack. She was miserable. She was making them miserable. She wouldn't feed them. She wouldn't clean them. She didn't interact with them. She was just…she was being really really really negligent. And they weren't getting anything from her.

And so we had to send her off…we offered her back to the original owner but she didn't want her back. And she couldn't stay around the kittens with what she was doing. They were so scared. They couldn't even…yeah, they couldn't even walk past her. One time she jumped on the bed…she looked up on the bed, saw a kitten up there, jumped up on the bed [pic related] and just started hitting him. Like, she'd knock them across the floor. And she's not playing. She's acting like they are other cats. And the kittens and her were in our room completely isolated from the other cats. The cats were not in here, not allowed around the kittens. And uh, it didn't matter. She just she just did not like them. And I saw how scared they were. She walked by and they'd just curl into little balls with the tails tucked between their legs getting ready for her to beat them up. And if she wasn't feeding them and she wasn't stimulating them and all she was doing was attacking them, then she needed to go. So she went off to a home as an only pet. And as soon as she went there she thrived. They got her spayed. They…she…they sent me pictures of her in their daughter's bed. And she…and they said that she cries and cries for the daughter. She follows her everywhere. And she was more suited to be in an only pet household because she loves people but she hates other animals.

And after we got rid of them…or after we got rid of her we bought kitten replacement milk and I fed that to the kittens and wet food. It's always good when they do start eating food to give them wet food because…they'll eat the dry food which is good for their, their growing teeth, but wet food will help keep everything moist so that they can go to the toilet and not get constipated because again getting backed up is a death sentence for a young kitten. So kitten replacement milk mixed with warm water, and they are big and they are healthy. They're, they are happy kittens. So everything worked out great in the end. You have to use your own judgment and watch and see what's going on and do what is best for those babies because those babies rely on you if their mother fails them.

The last thing on here is when to rehome them. And I'll give you guys a little bonus tip, I guess, but most people should probably know this other one. But when to rehome them. Now, a lot of people online rehome kittens at five, six, and seven weeks old. That makes me so angry. Kittens should not be rehomed. Ideally at twelve weeks. Twelve weeks is when you should rehome them. My kittens are ready to be rehomed now. They're about…I think they're about twelve, twelve weeks old, maybe? What is this, May? February, March, April, May…yeah, they're, they're around twelve weeks old now. I think they just hit twelve weeks today, actually. Twelve weeks old today! So now they're ready to be rehomed. But eight weeks is minimum. Twelve weeks is ideal because even after they're done eating from their mom they still need to learn from her. They learn how to cat from her. They have their siblings. They learn social interaction. They learn everything else they need to learn from their mom during those extra few weeks even if they're not getting sustenance from her. When they play with other cats and the other cats cry they learn how not to bite too hard, how not to play too rough, you know. All those little things that human beings can't teach them. I mean, I guess we could, but it's best for cats to teach other cats. They need to learn that from each other and from their mother. And they can't learn this stuff if you take them away too early.

The kittens that go around sucking on fabric, sucking on other kittens, sucking on humans, that's because they're taken from their mother too soon and they, they revert to their kittenhood, you know. They, they look for comfort by kneading and sucking on fabric or cloth or anything that might remind them of their mom. These cats, actually, they don't do that. They don't nuzzle or suck on anything. For awhile they tried that on Lucipurr because not only is he their half-brother but he looks just like their mom. They love him to death. They follow him everywhere. They're like…he, he might as well be their mom or their dad or whatever. But he is their brother. They don't suck on him anymore, but the cuddle up to him. They lay with him. They hug him. He hugs them. They clean each other. So they, they all get along really, really great. But that nuzzling and sucking is really sad to see because it just means that somebody was too impatient and they separated that baby way too soon.

I think that's about all the information I can give you guys on kittens, pregnancy, labor, little helpful tips here and there. Um, the last thing is cutting their claws. This, this little bonus. Cutting their claws. Do not ever declaw your cat. What people…some people are just now learning about is that when people declaw their cats they're not just pulling the claws out or cutting the claws. To declaw a cat they are removing this whole part of the cat's finger. They remove the entire first knuckle of the hands so the claw cannot grow back. This affects their balance. It affects their attitude. It causes them…it's, like, it gives them arthritis. It changes the way that they walk, the way they, they focus their weight on their paws. And they can't scratch their itches anymore. They can't do anything at all anymore. And if they feel threatened they've got no way to protect themselves so they can turn really angry and really, you know, like on guard all the time, really kind of aggressive because you've just taken away their only means of, you know, defending themselves if they felt threatened by something. A lot of people think that they just maybe pull the nail out or do something but they don't. They cut off the entire knuckle off and it's really gruesome and it's really, really cruel.

What I do is I always cut the cats' claws. I trim the claws and I do it every few weeks. And if you do it often enough the cats get used to it and it's not really a big deal. It saves your skin, it saves your furniture. It saves everything and they get to keep their claws. Even the little, little babies who have the sharpest claws, you can cut their claws. All you need to do with the babies is do it when they're asleep. When they're asleep you can touch their paws. You gently squeeze in between here. [she gestures with her fingers] The claw will pop out. And where the claw is, this part is pink and then the claw will be here. And when you cut it it'll split a little bit of the way up see you cut it away from, a little bit away from where you want to end up, if that makes sense. Say if I wanted to cut this part off, I would only cut this because it would split up and get rid of this part if that makes any sense. If you cut too deep that's blood vessels and, and you wind up cutting it and you'll make them bleed and they will feel that and it will hurt. So if you're ever not too sure or you're just getting started, then just that very fine tip at the end, just a tiny, tiny tip, I would just cut that off, blunt that. As they get older and you get more confident you'll know where to stop and how far to cut. And you cut their front, their back, and the little thumbs. Once you do that, it's not really a big deal.

These little babies, I cut them when they're asleep because they are really, really hyper. And that's all good. It's, it's quite funny though because they get used to being able to dig their claws and climb on the furniture. Without their claws they slide all the way down. [clears throat] Sorry. Lucipurr, he's used to it now because I've been cutting his claws since I got him. So I just flip him over. I just hug him against my my body. And um, his back is right here, his front is out, and I just pick up his paws and I just snip snip snip snip and then it's over. I can cut their claws in a couple seconds and it's great. So that's why it's very important when you get a cat to play with their paws. Stroke their paws, touch them, get them used to it. And that way when it comes time to cut their claws you don't have to go to the vet. You can do it yourself.

And I think that's about it. Hopefully this has helped you guys and answered some of the questions that I get quite a bit about how do you know your cats pregnant? And what do you do, what do you do, what do you do, how do you know, what, what does it look for. I do have the other videos on my channel showing it. Uh, showing the two different cats giving birth and the differences between them and how quickly their litters came out. One from a first time mother and one from a mother that was on her third litter. I will link those in the description below. And otherwise if there's anything else you want to know that I haven't answered here, let me know. And if there's enough stuff I'll make a part two. But I think I've covered everything, so I hope that helps. I will see you guys later. Love kittens! [she claps] And take care. [she waves her fingers]

"With the boy there's a great space in between the butt and the genitals because what you're looking at is this is gonna be the butt, the anus, and down here is going to be where they pee from."

"With a girl it's like an exclamation mark. It's, it's the butt and it's the vaginal opening, so it's essentially like this."

"Say if I wanted to cut this part off, I would only cut this because it would split up and get rid of this part if that makes any sense."

"And you cut their front, their back, and the little thumbs."

>>663050

At last we know what happened to Lili. But what did she mean when she said in the last video that Catthew had hurt Lili? And what happened to Jelly?

They were 12 weeks old on May 12th. I wonder if she's rehoming them privately to keep away the haters?

>One of my cats in New Zealand that we thought was a boy, actually, at the time…we were told a boy and I don't know why we thought it was a boy the whole time…she got out. She got pregnant. We had no idea she was pregnant almost until the moment she gave birth.

And she wonders why we doubted her expertise and responsibility.

She still has pics of them up
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ravenskittens

Was Marmalade's pregnancy from an escape or accidentally on purpose?

Her anatomy lessons and claw clipping instructions could have used diagrams or pics. And correct anatomical terms. She always claims to be so educated and well versed.

I expected her to make a point of letting us know that they have been spayed and neutered, including documentation of the vet records like last time.

Very thorough and detailed OP, but I think you missed mentioning that she showed up on LC pretending to be a different cow to stir shit in one of the threads, got btfo by admin, and then seemed mystified as to how she'd been caught despite using a vpn.

>>663050
The tl/dr is Raven is the best cat mom and didn't need another cat mom getting in her way.

>>663108

I was leaving those details for the Admin to post. I suspect that wasn't the only namefagging she was doing.

I wonder how pressured Josh feels to keep growing his hair. She posted two pics like this; the other is blurry. "Now tilt your head down so your hair falls across your face! Do it again!" as he rolls his eyes.

>>662997

I went back to their wedding pics to see if he's wearing the Goodwill shirt in these. His pants in those were also scrunched up, but I figured it was because they were Goodwill pants. Are his legs that out of proportion to his torso, yet he's 6'2" or 6'3"?

Their anniversary is June 10th followed by his birthday a month later. More presents and restaurant videos! How will she outdo herself this year?

>>663050

If they rehome all of the kittens their new total is 4 cats and 2 dogs. If she is rehoming them, shouldn't she be aware of exactly how old they are, not calculating it in the video and being surprised?

>It doesn't look like Lucipurr suffered whatsoever, and he was with her until I got him.

He was 6 to 7 weeks old.

>However with this litter, I don't know what it was. Maybe she's just over having kittens.

This was her third litter at only a year and a half old. Lucipurr is only around 18 weeks older than this litter. Gestation is 58 to 67 days sayeth Google. She got pregnant 2 to 4 weeks after Raven adopted Lucipurr. Yeah, she was over having kittens.

New thread, new profile! With a recycled name. I guess you could just keep stacking x's.

https://www.facebook.com/x.Crimson.Rapture.x

And she just closed Lucipurr's page.

She said Lilli was a bad mother.
Maybe she was stressed out with all these other random cats around in a tiny house! I knew she'd get rid of her eventually but fuck I hate her.

>>663243
Wow. I thought Lucipurr was the cat that was more than a cat Marmalade 2.0.

I'm surprised she doesn't share more about being pregnant. Having a baby at age 50 she could garner so much attention.

>However with this litter, I don't know what it was.

You seemed to know in the March 15th video.

I'm still shocked by the math. Her third litter at only a year and a half old and she got pregnant 2 to 4 weeks after Raven adopted Lucipurr at 6 to 7 weeks. She was a breeding machine for her previous owner. And Gravy, in her all-consuming quest to find the fluffy white cat that was more than a cat that she could name after a goff meme, supported this woman's backyard breeding by getting Lucipurr, likely for money. She has never referred to him as an adoption, whereas when she does adopt or rescue she makes a point of repeatedly announcing it.

>Now, a lot of people online rehome kittens at five, six, and seven weeks old. That makes me so angry.

Then why did you readily take Lucipurr at that age? Certainly not because if you didn't he would be sold to someone else, someone who could not possibly care for him as well as you would. So really, you were rescuing him after all! The money was a ransom. It was your moral duty to buy a fancy kitten from a backyard breeder.

If they did move to Jamesville, North Carolina, their ability to find an even smaller wide spot in the road each time they relocate is impressive.

Martin County
Total Area 1.3 sq mi (3.5 km2)
Land 1.3 sq mi (99.9 km2)
Water 99.9 sq mi (259 km2)
Elevation 39 ft (12 m)
Population (2010) 491
Estimate (2016) 464
Time zone UTC-5 (EST) Summer UTC-4 (EDT)
ZIP code 27846
Area code 252

Likelihood of them having moved shack #3?

This area looks like it's prone to hurricanes and flooding. Good thing Funko Pops Pop Funkos float!

One of Josh's profiles lists his employment as Manufacturing Supervisor at Thermo Fisher Scientific starting in June. The largest facility is 35 miles away in Greenville, NC.

Wikipedia sez, Thermo Fisher Scientific is an American biotechnology product development company…one of the leading companies in the genetic testing and precision laboratory equipment markets.

Manufacturing Supervisor means he'll get to tell people what to do but not important enough for TFS to spring for shack transport.

>>663390
Cap is from Sunday

>>663380

Despite saying she feels ageless, motherhood, by design, will bring forth a more mature Raven. I mean, she just dumped her Hot Topic wish list!

I wonder if her favorite spiked top comes in a nursing bra version.

Compare her face in >>663096 to the OP gif. Pregnancy weight gain? Does it accumulate in a particular way or place?

She might have renamed Lucipurr's page, if that's possible.

>>663398

They rehomed the kittens that fast before they started moving?

Jonesville, SC to Jamesville, NC is 345 miles.

>>663386

And they move further away from Josh's family (and his mom's couch!) each time, too. If she did get on their wrong side, she's the type to withhold the baby from them out of spite.

>>663393
They are also at 309 Delaware St, Greenville, SC 29605, USA

I personally think she's trolling about a move if the shack is the same. trying to get us off her geographic back.

>>663434

She listed Jamesville on her Amazon Baby Registry and on her profile that's for family and close friends. And you know how much she wants those presents!

>>663439
Her "baby". Wasn't that magically visible for a short time or are anons still able to see that wishlist live now?

I found her Craigslist ad for the kittens. I seriously doubted she would use Craigslist cuz the haters.

https://greenville.craigslist.org/pet/d/spartanburg-kittens/6893275155.html

The map points to this neighborhood in Spartanburg, but this is probably the default for Spartanburg.

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.9352,-81.9654,16z

>>663441

>$25 rehoming fee
>no details whatsoever

What happened to getting them spayed and neutered before rehoming them? $25 wouldn't cover that. And usually her ads are long-winded and really sellin' it.

>>663441
I'm gonna take her CL location for rehoming animals over her troll baby post location. I think she chose that NC town because that company has a site there too. Speaking of which, didn't he have a great job at BMW? Why the frequent employer changes?

>>663469

Can the location listed in your Amazon wish list be different from your actual shipping address?

I think you can opt not to have it listed at all. Tho you'd think she wouldn't publish her location if she had the choice.

>>663472
Her amazon baby registry has been set to private and her other two amazon lists in the OP are dead. She could have set the location temporarily when she "accidentally" leaked her pregnancy post so that we'd see it. She's trolling on one of the two listings and why troll on the one rehoming the cats for money?

>>663473

>Her amazon baby registry has been set to private and her other two amazon lists in the OP are dead.

Yeah, that's all notated in the OP. I archived her Baby Registry right before she made it private.

>She could have set the location temporarily

Could she? That's what I'm asking. Does Amazon let you set the location or does it automatically use the shipping address you registered with your account?

>She's trolling on one of the two listings

Why does it have to be one or the other? She just started using her new location before they moved.

>why troll on the one rehoming the cats for money?

Jonesville is in the greater Spartanburg metro area.

She has Jamesville listed on the profile she uses for family and close friends. She has always stayed in touch with her siblings in terms of at least knowing where everyone lived.

>>663474
The kitten rehoming ad is current, isn't it? Are you saying she's moving to NC sometime soon? I'm confused atm.

I'm not kvetching about the op, I'm talking about what we could see when she wanted us to see it, versus what we can't see now.

Given she's probably not pregnant either I'd like to see a shot of the new hovel is all.

She's definitely using some form of app. Her face looks thinner with the rainbow wig photos but in the video with the split wig, her face is bloated as usual.

>>663476
samefag but one reason for my reticence is that thermo fisher is near to both locations so it can't be used as a dealbreaker.

Now that I think about it, her using her new location before they had moved is totally Raven. She changed her last name on some of her profiles to Bradley before they had even met, and she changed her location to Columbia, SC before she got on the plane.

I pretended to set up a baby registry for myself and the first page asks you to select from the shipping addresses on your account. On that page I didn't see an opt out on displaying your location.

The URL includes the due date and location, and the URL for hers has not changed.

>>663476

Yes, the ad is current. Apparently they are in the middle of moving >>663398.

>>663477

Those photos were taken in January >>662956.

>Um, she uh, she would also…I haven't told anybody about Lili and the kittens yet, so I'm just gonna finish off with this little bit. Uh, they'd play around the fan sometimes. They were about four weeks old. And they wouldn't even be looking at her. They just be playing and doing their own thing because they're just learning to interact with the world around them. And she'd be walking by and she'd go out of the way…out of her way and go over to them and just attack them. And they got so scared. They were too scared to even walk by her. And she'd just hiss and growl and just attack. She was miserable. She was making them miserable. She wouldn't feed them. She wouldn't clean them. She didn't interact with them. She was just…she was being really really really negligent. And they weren't getting anything from her.

So here's my take on this, if it is true, which I doubt, or at lest in the way Raven is describing through her veil of ignorance and personality disorder.

There are two things going on here. One is that there are tons of cats there probably stressing out the mother cat. And two, which is what probably happened, is that Raven screwed around with the kittens immediately after they were born by her own admission (and probably a lot of other times as well), and made the mother cat neurotic and weird towards her own litter to the point where she rejected it.

And three, and most important, like Anon said upthread, Raven is the best cat mom ever: so, so, so much better than the actual cat mother.

>>663479

>Those photos were taken in January >>662956.

Doubtful. It seems to me there's a lot of greenery even for the south in January. Also they are both wearing light clothing, and I think even someone as exceptional as Raven would be freezing her ass off.

>>663494

>Raven screwed around with the kittens immediately after they were born

Well, she did have to relocate them from her bed. Lili always appeared to be relaxed and content with her kittens in the photos and videos. I think it was a combination of her move just two weeks before into a house full of animals (even if they aren't in the same room) and being worn out from being a breeding machine.

>>663495

They had an unseasonable warm spell of temps in the 60's and hitting 70 during the first week of January, but yeah, there's a lot of green undergrowth.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/spartanburg-sc/29306/january-weather/330682

This is what she looked like just a month ago in her mental health video. She has put a lot on in her face since then.

If her due date is October 10th, she conceived around January 10th (39 weeks) and is almost halfway into her second trimester.

>>663441

She has edited her ad. She removed their date of birth and now says that they are 10 weeks old (they turned 13 weeks old on the 19th) and identical (trying to imply that they are inseparable to get someone to take both of them?).

$25 OBO!

What happened to #responsiblepetownership, Raven?

"A system to help them identify each kitten".. huwuh? So complicated.. put a different colored piece of yarn around each one's neck.

I em genius

>>663548
And don't believe for a second this costs them a penny other than gas money. In a lot of programs offer free neutering/spaying paid for by county/state money as well as donated veterinary services.

>>663550

They didn't even spend money on gas because they didn't get it done. Otherwise she would have mentioned it in her ad and talked about it in her new video for the ass pats.

They took everyone else to Animal Allies Spay & Neuter Clinic in Spartanburg in February.

https://animalalliesclinic.org

>>663544

New lower price! $40 for both!

>>663524

Her tits look less pancake like in >>663548 too. She's def. putting on weight… I just still hope it's not for that reason, and am kind of shocked tbh that she wouldn't milk being pregnant for the attention. It'd be the perfect opportunity to be the world's first geriatric mommy vlogger too.

>>663662
There's no way our favourite senior citizen is up the duff. She's done this dance before. And yeah, she'd be milking the fuck out of it if she somehow was. It's just another scheme to control Twitchy McNosepicker.

From insta, I guess someone made her mad.

>>663665
fake pregnancies are not 'unexpected', Raven.

>>663665
Jesus christ, Gravy. Calm down.
Not everyone wants to know what you do at every single minute of your day.
You always leave enough clues for people find out something you don't want to be public.
You should embrace your "pregnancy" instead of being a bitter cunt on facebook, lmfao

>>663665
Guessing she read here and got big mad that we're all making fun of her fake pregnancy. Neatly sets it up to hide the ~so tragic~ ending when she has to give up the lie.

I'm glad that after announcing about a thousand times that she's done with us / doesn't care anymore, she still has the dignity and self-respect to write essays for us.

Yeah Raven, you're really smart. You build your entire existence around trying to troll some people online. But hey, we totally are the ones who have no lives because we come read here for a few minutes a week. Lmao.

Honey, we don't have to invent a story to everything we do because we're paranoid. All of us mean mean bitches have what you so desperately crave: normal lives. Must suck to see that and know that it'll never work for you because you have the personality of a piece of poop.

Imagine filling your favorite quotes with dedications to the haters.

Imagine landing in Facebook jail so often that you need to make a second back up account.

https://www.facebook.com/xx.Graveflower.xx

>>662955

Why initiate legal proceedings against a "local cunt" if you are moving out of state in two weeks?

>>663593

Urgent! We're moving!

>>663727
Most of that is "Whore" by In This Moment. I like how she left out all the lyrics that include the word "whore". She is clearly desperate to not be seen as one lol. Maybe stop dick-hopping, Raven.

>>663665
As if it didn't take us forever to make a new thread. People here just get off to Raven's shitty life and occasionally hate post because her pets drop off like flies. I mean, Raven, you do know you can't keep up with the more popular cows despite being more vile? That's how boring you are. And we're not dying to know about your fake pregnancy. We ALREADY know. Your friend came in her letting everyone know you manipulate Josh with pregnancies. Go spend your anniversary in bum fuck Red Lobster and keep "eating for two."

Anyways, keep posting in the alt cow thread and asking mods why they don't fall for your vpn hacking skills.

>>662961

Am I the only who thinks that he looks like WWE Tyler Breeze?

More like the druggy guy from Friends. once a meth addict always a meth addict

pregnancy confirmed

>>663895
I can see it but with downs.

>>663938
Good god, spoiler that shit Anon! I about had a heart attack

>>663895
if josh weren't ugly, maybe?

I watched the video that is featured in this thumbnail again for laughs and I noticed that Josh looks really annoyed also in the part where she says 'You are meant to be the good husband, the one that's given me all I ever wanted'
You can see she is trying to compliment him but he takes offence to being compared to ex's.

After watching that after all this time, his regret is even more noticable.

>>663895
No. Josh looks like really bad fan art a low skilled teenager in the 90's drew of Interview With The Vampire complete with totally crazy-wrong bodily proportions.
So basically it's Raven's dream, a cheap tacky ugly knockoff of something people cared about 25 years ago.

Nicked from KF. Did she post this today? The advisory about hair coloring has changed since she had Dorian, and she's in her second trimester anyway. But this gives her the opportunity to talk obliquely about her pregnancy and show the haters that she still has hair.

She deleted her Craigslist post sometime yesterday.

>>664582
and it's still fried as fuck. those ends are C R I S P Y

Can anyone decipher the new edgy engraving on her wrist? And it's definitely new. She won't dye her hair while she's pregnant but she will get a tattoo?

She's given up the stacks of (too tight already) rubber bracelets with her weight gain.

says Misanthrope or Misanthropy, whatever it is, it's in a stupid font.

>>664582
I wonder when she'll magically lose the baby.
If she were really pregnant, I'd pray to god every night that she'll have a miscarriage.
No baby deserves to have that beast as a mother. She already damaged one person for a lifetime.

>>663383

She added his birth date to his page. He was exactly 7 weeks old.

>>663441

Since she had edited it at least once, we don't know if she rehomed all six kittens. She really wanted to keep Cuppycake. They ad does say "the females have a swirly pattern" and not "two of". I don't think she's in any of the pics.

>>662951

>Catthew as "the one that had hurt Lili"

Could this have had something to do with her rejecting them?

>>663548
For someone that hates "sluts and whores" so much it's funny that she's framed and staged this photo of KITTENS (ffs) to include her saggy udders, it's honestly the focus of the photo. Never change Gravy, your self-awareness is truly exceptional. It's not like you couldn't photograph the things literally anywhere else but your freakin' breast lmfao

y’kno when you start watching a series and you’re like “oh god this is shit” but you can’t stop watching because you wanna see how it ends and now you’re at the end and you dk what to do now? I’m there. Goddamn this has been a wild ride. Gravey, you’re a trashy whore but god are you entertaining to laugh at.

Prenatal vitamins and insulin.

Nicked from KF. Do we not have any farmers keeping tabs on her?

totes written by josh

live in trailer, buy world's rarest caddy

>>667436
Gravy come on. At least try not making it so obvious, the cringe is unreal.

>I much happier with my life now
or
>I hate my family and only want to be with you Ravy<3

>Being with you changed my life for the better
or
>I loved how you killed all my dogs, cut off the contact to my family, that I had to move from trailer to trailer, that you still keep on killing all of our animals while you lie straight into my face, force my to keep my hair long, told lies about me and my family and that the haters will always be your number one<3

>our soon to be newest addition
or
>our totally real baby that we're soon going to have

>I love you no matter what happens
or
>I'll never believe anything anyone says about you that's negative

Toootally written by Josh..

>>667437
Always the same story with this woman.
>I'm so edgy and pretty, everywhere I go people stop me to ask for a photo and to tell me how pretty I and my hair is

>we got the car. Everyone stops to look at it and wants to have it

She really needs to feel special with everything she does

>$25K cash
Sure thing Raven. The man came right after you took all of your granny meds, didn't he?

>>667434
I've never been a follower, unfortunately. I always hope for anons to post in this thread.

>>667434
melatonin and vit C can cause complications during pregnancy. You would THINK someone as smart as Gravy would read up on the shit she fakes but nope.

>>667434
Did she always have diabetes?

>>667772
No. Only after she got with Logan and gained all of her weight

new to this cow. question, is she pregnant or not? from reading most of this thread it seems convincing from her posts that she is but the comments on here keep saying things in a way like, "totally real baby" - can anyone explain this?

also, i'm 12 weeks pregnant and i'm surprised she's taking all those supplements! i was told not to even take fish oil anymore! only my prenatal… so… strange!

>>667778
She's taking all those supplements because she's not pregnant. She's in her fucking 40s. She's been known to lie about pregnancies for attention, and then "lose the baby" so she doesn't get caught in her lie by whatever gullible sap is sticking his meat peg inside her.

>>667778
She has had quite a few pregnancies over the years, that have mostly ended gruesomely for dramatic effects in the past, and to have something to hold over her current husbands head so he won't leave her.
She has also, in addition to being over 40, having had a myriad of miscarriages, and ectopic pregnancies, had one of them ending in having one of her ovaries if not both, who knows at this point removed.
IIRC she had an ectopic in her tube and it burst.

Also every time she gets pragananant it always comes hand in hand with a gruesome tale, and depiction of how she miscarried. One time there was even photos of the aborted feetus.
Maybe some brave anon has these if anyone is curious to see.
She also one time miscarried twins, and saved the aborted fetuses in a jar in her freezer. She ended up having to bury them in her yard because people were being so "mean" to her for having them casually in her freezer.

Her latest miscarriage, was in the car accident that was more than a car accident, where she said she was somewhere around 3 weeks pregnant (of course she could tell at that stage, she is the great knower of all things pregnancy-related) or something and then in the accident she lost it.
(Feel free to correct me if I'm not remembering correctly about these events)

>>667676
You'd also think a doctor wouldn't prescribe her meds that could harm her "baby"

>>667925

Melatonin and vitamin C are neither prescription nor meds.

>>667834
>>663665
As if I can't just come here to see how many pets and miscarriages she has.

Onion is my main thread, gravey. Then Taylor dean. Then you. Do some heroin or invite young girld to stay with you and you'll be more interesting.
>>667436
Josh sure sounds a lot like logan.
>>667834
I didn't know she kept fetuses in a jar. Why's she so batshit, yet plays like we're weird?
>>667942
She has to take vitamin c? Eat an orange bitch. Even one of those little ones.

>>668179
The question, in my head, is not why she kept feetuses in a jar, it's how did they get into the jar?

Did she squat over it for hours whilst bleeding?
Did she bleed in a towel and wring it out?
Did she scoop them up from an adult diaper?
Or, did she fish them out of a toilet, into the jar?
I know I'm weird but w/e. I actually want to know, it's hilarious to think about tbh, lmfao.

Also, was the jar see-through?
Could she look at her babbies every time she opened the freezer?
How long did she keep it in there?
And what the fuck did Logan say to this insanity? kek.

Since the topic of Raven's foetus jar has come up again I looked for the images again, but anons in the first thread failed to post or archive them >>>/pt/15174

Go to thread #12 for a rehashing of her miscarriages.

>>>/pt/507808

She posted photos of the embryonic remains on her wedding website iirc. They might be capped in a previous thread.

>>>/pt/467171

>As far as keeping my dead babies in a jar, I was given my babies after my surgeries, my DNC and my ectopic surgery. The doctors did that. They said they always offer the tissue or the baby back to the parents so that you can properly bury your baby. What the fuck is so wrong with that? I got little wax encased blocks with my babies' remains in it to bury. Logan and I had no home of our own. We had nowhere special that we knew our babies would be safe, so therefore we were told just to leave them in the freezer until we knew what to do with them. We had no fucking idea. I'm damn sure you're not gonna throw my babies away. Whether they were alive for long or not, they were still alive, they were in me, they were growing, they were something that could have been. They were children we could have had together. And it was very hard on us to lose those babies for whatever reason. And when we were given their remains, of course we're gonna keep them. We're not gonna just say, oh, this is just the remains of our babies. Pfft, trash. Who the fuck does that? So we were given these two, and they were in a brown bag, sealed in wax, in hospital sterile containers, little little things. And they were left in the freezer until came a time when we had somewhere to bury them. End of story. I don't keep babies in jars, and it's nothing sick or disgusting to be ashamed of. They were my babies for however long they were in my body. And the doctors in New Zealand offer you your returned tissue so that you can bury your babies.

>>668230
Well. Imagining Raven ugly-crying with makeup everywhere, scooping stuff from an adult diaper into a mason jar was a much more hilarious image than just 2 plain old candle looking thing without the wick, in small plastic jars.

>>668230
>She posted photos of the embryonic remains on her wedding website

I'd forgotten about this. She's definitely the queen of the horror cows. And just plain fucking batshit.

>>662950

She has renamed a couple of her and Josh's profiles again, and her new account has been deactivated.

Raven, haven't you tired of this game yet?

https://www.facebook.com/Vv.Graveflower.vV
https://www.facebook.com/x.Crimson.Rapture.x ^
https://www.facebook.com/x.Misanthrope.x
https://www.facebook.com/xx.Graveflower.xx *
https://www.facebook.com/I.will.feed.your.obsessions

https://www.facebook.com/Joshua.Bradley.80sicks
https://www.facebook.com/Josh.Bradley.80sixx
https://www.facebook.com/Joshua.Bradley.80sixx *

>>669100
her fb socks are like growing a garden to her, she tends to them often

>>669106

These aren't sock accounts. These all use her and Josh's real names.

I want to know how she has gotten away with having multiple accounts for so many years in violation of the TOS.

>>669107
I used the term too loosely I know, let's call them 'accounts she operates'.

>>669113

I added a sock account section to the OP since she used two more during the last thread.

AFAIK Admin is still planning to out her self-posts.

>>667437

So how did they afford a collectible CTS-V Wagon? Granted I know nothing about trade-ins (they traded in their Explorer).

https://www.sportscarmarket.com/profile/2014-cadillac-cts-v-wagon

It's two years, for the most lovey love that ever loved!

damn it’s sad how boring she is now, welp the milk was fun while it lasted. I’m out.

>>669293
anon wait, we have a grisly late-pregancy miscarriage story still to come. but yeah that's about it unless admin decides to unmask her posts like they have suggested they will.

>>669304

And another plaque added to >>668230. Do you think it's already hanging in a hallowed spot on the living room wall?

>>669131

Why macarons? Is she implying she's having cravings?

This new old pic of Josh popped up recently.

Does he look young enough for you, Raven?

https://www.mylife.com/josh-bradley/e46278672695328

>>669334
She's probably never eaten a macaron. I notice she reposts the most mundane mum level shit on facebook. Same goes for her thubnail choices on videos. Always like stock image/clipart type shit.
Hence the macarons picture with typical basic bitch caption about love.

>>668230
This kind of shit weirds me out.
I understand being like a first time mother and having a stillborn and maybe having a small funeral or ceremony or even keeping like one photo hidden away or some shit but not only has she had numerous miscarriages supposedly, but she has a living breathing kid. Dorian. Whether she hates him now or not is whatever. She has a kid. She acts like this is a struggle to have another child. Perhaps that is your ancient as fuck body telling you you shouldn't reproduce Gravey. Holy shit.
As much as I'd want to be a supportive partner, I'd probably get skeeved out if my other half was posting about our miscarriages and baby drama all over social media and I'd probably put my foot down with a polite nah if they asked to keep the foetus. That shit isn't healthy. A photo or lock of hair…sure. A whole foetus is fucking weird and unhealthy.
And you just KNOW she parades that shit around and mentions it in videos for sympathy points.

If you watch one of the early videos where she is conversing with Josh, she keeps saying he doesn't care if she can't have kids and he agrees but keeps saying but we can always try. He says it a couple times. I'll try and find the video. I pity the child if they do have one. She'll quickly realise it's not something she can rehome like she does animals. Not only that I could see her getting jealous if it's a female. And despite Josh being a dropkick, I don't think he'd be too happy with his first and only kid being spoken to by Raven the way she does to Dorian.

At her age I'd seriously be worried about Down's Syndrome. She would not deal with that well. A bigger part of me thinks she'd do the right thing and abort.
The other part of me thinks she'd become an internet mommy and milk the special points for sympathy.

>>669342

It's not like Logan had a mind of his own to put his foot down for.

Since we're on the topic of pregnancy, here's Raven's entry into the recent public abortion discussion. Considering her due date is a month after her 44th birthday, surely she's considered the increased risks of genetic and congenital disorders. What's her opinion on abortion in cases of grave disability? I'm imagining her cooly referring to such an infant as "so damaged" like she did the black kitten in Marmalade's litter.

https://www.facebook.com/x.Misanthrope.x/posts/1037354556455056

She has made a bunch of her old videos public again, so now's a chance to catch up.

>>669343

It's whichever leaked video that corresponds with >>>/pt/404236

At 9:30 Josh says, "If you can't give me kids, that doesn't bother me" but that if she did get pregnant "that would be pretty amazing."

Raven spends the next ten minutes recounting her reproductive history in all its gory detail, taking the opportunity to criticise Logan for his reaction to her miscarriage.

>>669348
Fucking LOL

>Because I didn't abort, there's a young man out there alive!

Yeah a confused and most likely traumatized young man alone in a country without his mother (his only family member) forced to live with his ex stepfather/classmate who is now fucking his wife because he didn't have any healthy friendships because his egotistical monster of a mother didn't allow him to.

Yup. Pat yourself on the back Gravey. No offence to Dorian, I hope the lad is doing better, but if I were in his shoes, I'd rather be one of Gravey's jar fetuses than live a life under her.
She deserts her pets when they don't listen like dolls and she deserts her children when they won't follow her to America for fresh penis.

Mother of the year Gravey.

>>669348
>That's a LIFE that you want to snuff out.

Okay, so Raven is one of those people that think a zygote's life is more important than a woman's bodily sovereignty. I can understand that point of view…

>What about the potential fathers?
>She didn't create that baby on her own and yet men have almost no say in that situation. Sometimes the man wants the baby

Oh, so the man should have sovereignty over the woman's body… That's pretty awful, but maybe she's just got a really fucked up sense of empathy because she can't imagine not wanting to be pregnant-

>I am not against abortion if the woman was raped.
>I don't like it, but if she got pregnant through no fault of her own then she did nothing wrong
>Abortion as birth control is where I personally draw the line

And there's the actual truth. Raven thinks pregnancy and childbirth should be punishments for women daring to have sex. It's not about the life of the itty bitty cutesy wutesy zygote/fetus, and it's not about the man's feefees. It's about Raven hating women and wanting them to suffer.

>I also agree with abortion if there is going to be a birth defect or the mother's life will be in danger.
>Abortion has been proven to cause pain to the fetus [yada yada]

Most abortions happen before the zygote/fetus is even vaguely sentient, most aren't surgical, and birth defects/danger to the mother's life are usually discovered after the fetus has started developing sentience, soooo Raven thinks all abortions are the terrible evil procedures that occur later in the pregnancy, but also she supports the reason behind most of those late-term abortions…

Not that any of this matters, because it's all mental gymnastics she's using to pretend she has reasons for being pro-life beyond her hatred of women, especially "slutty" women (and in Raven's mind, birth control never fails, good women never have slips of judgment, and only sluts and rape victims (that are also maybe sluts pretending to have been raped) get pregnant when they don't want to).

>If you can't take the time to read my entire argument, you have no business giving your opinion. I don't want a discussion, I just wanted to add my 2 cents.

Raven's opinion deserves to be heard, but no one else's does (unless they agree with her, of course)!

This thread's milk always leaves such a terrible taste in my mouth.

>>669353
You brought up some very good points.
It's not the first time either that Raven has acted like a handmaiden. She seems to waver towards right wing idealogies and there's nothing wrong with choosing a political party. The only thing that makes it weird is that she has so many contradictions.

It's so weird that she tries to be the 'voice of reason' and hates all this 'new wave of feminazis' yet her entire internet history is demonizing the men she has dated.
Literally every man she's supposedly met has raped her or abused her so I don't know why she feels the need to try and defend them in this post especially given the reason Dorian's father deserted her after finding out she was pregnant. She makes no sense.

>>669348

Correction, her 43rd birthday.

>>669343

I suspect that her quest to have another child is largely driven by her desire for a do-over, a new chance at perfect motherhood. The same has driven her to the altar five times in pursuit of The One™

Having a second child is also about subconsciously getting control from her mother who she said took Dorian from her. I suspect it was more like her mom had to step in because she wasn't handling things.

Related old video.

Dorian's birth story (by request)
Published on Oct 23, 2016

Another old video, another 2 cents!

Breastfeeding in public
Published on Jan 29, 2016

This is my 2 cents. Guaranteed to offend purely because of my stance on the matter. Constant barrages of tits and in-your-face bullying on the matter have prompted me to speak out. Pardon me for the way I looked in this video- I was very unwell and blabbed on as I do, so I ended up cutting 15 minutes from this video and reordering it a little to try to stay on topic. I apologize in advance for the anger that I know is sure to come my way, though I will not tolerate further abuse on the subject. There's more than enough warning so if you choose to watch, knowing it will piss you off, then that's on you.

>>669364
How did I ever miss this gem of a video?

>Likens breast feeding to shitting and pissing
>sexualises pregnant women in general saying big swollen pregnant titties will be promptly recorded in public and shared on porn sites.

Also for someone who hates porn she seems to know a lot about pregnant fetishes on porn sites lol

Are any of the video archive anons around to save any videos that aren't already archived?

>>669364
Something I've noticed about Raven in her rants is that the only reason she shits on women or anything is because they get attention. She's allowed to post pictures with her tits out but anyone else? They must want attention! Speaking up about public breastfeeding on social media or posting a pregnant picture? You must be an attention seeking skank!
Nevermind she shares her own whole goddamn medical history on the internet. Raven likes anything if it involves herself.
Onion is the same. Screeches about haters and privacy but posts literally every detail of his life.

Going out anywhere with her would be a nightmare. Any pretty girl within 10 ft purely EXISTING would make her fly into a rage.
When those young cute south park girls won the halloween contest let alone appeared in front of her, I bet Josh never heard the end of it.

>>669363
She shits on her mother the whole time in this video.
What's the bet she was a brat the entire time and her mother was just trying to keep her in line?
I bet the part about her mother lying and saying it was her child was fabricated. Her mother probably just tried to help her and she couldn't deal with someone telling her what to do. Also who the fuck stays with a guy who tells you not to bathe your kid because it looks like your ex? Like I understand not having anywhere to go, but when her parents took her back, she just bitched and moaned the whole time.
The whole time she sounds so entitled. Like your parents aren't horrible for feeling disappointed or trying to tell you it's a big responsibility.
It's like she expected to be waited on hand and foot after falling pregnant, she wanted the fun parts like clothes shopping and toys. All the fun parts she claims to be count as 'being a mother'

Also she's so inconsistent in her story.
She describes herself as this lost confused teenage girl who was all alone through the pregnancy uwu but then halfway through screeches about being an adult that should be allowed to do what she wants and handle her own kid.

She has no concept of her parent's feelings or why they act the way they did. She just accuses them of being evil baby killers/stealers and wants to know why they weren't jumping for joy that their kid is pregnant and now they have to pay for everything.
She is soooo entitled jesus christ.

She complains that noone came to visit her but then shits all over this one girl who was supposedly her friend and was jumping up and down on the bed to hurt her.
Everything is tailored to her be such a goddamn victim.
It's actually pathetic.

This one is particularly rich in light of her recently ridiculing Logan for wearing a skirt and make-up.

And her take on feminism and societal gender norms is…something.

Hate for hate's sake (men in women's clothing)

Published on May 26, 2016

While I'm on a video making roll, I've had this video idea to make for quite some time now, and it's been sitting on my little notepad of video ideas to make…video ideas…ideas of videos to make. And so I'm just going to make it now. And this topic is men in women's clothing. [angry sigh] Where do I begin. Let me get off my foot because I can't feel my leg. Ugh! My tailbone hurts so much. Oh, anyway, um…

Okay, a lot of people…a lot of guys feel like they are not allowed to wear women's clothing. Society frowns upon men in dresses, men in corsets, men in make up, things like that for the most part. And I just think that it's fucking ridiculous. And it's, it's a shame, really, how the world has changed so much that there are such set gender-allowed fashions or lifestyles, and we still haven't moved on from that.

If you look back through the ages, in reality pretty much everything that men aren't allowed to wear now, they originally were the ones that those styles were made for. High heels, corsets, wigs, makeup, you know. Um, pretty sure skirts, dresses, uh, things like that. And women are the ones who came along and adopted them. And, in reality, I also read somewhere that the color blue was originally for females and pink was for men. And somehow as time has passed it switched around to where pink was for female babies and blue was for males. And now it's, like, taboo for a guy to wear pink and it's, like, oh, you know, it seems okay for chicks to wear blue. But it's like taboo taboo taboo for guys to do anything. And I just think it's a load of crap because this was all originally for guys to start with. And now it's like they're the ones that are looked down on and hassled if they dare to wear a dress or they dare to wear high heels.

And it's like, I just wish people would really get over themselves and just let people look the way they want to look. It doesn't hurt anybody. I think it's really cool if a guy has the balls to wear whatever the fuck he wants to wear. If a guy wants to wear a skirt…skirts are so much more comfortable than pants are. And I'm sure if you have balls and a dick dangling down, the line of the pants sitting on your nutsack must be a hell of a lot more uncomfortable than wearing, like, a long flowy skirt or something, or even a short skirt if you have nice legs. I mean, guys should be allowed to do that.

Like, chicks are all about women's lib and, oh I don't have to shave if I don't want to, I can have
hairy armpits, I can have this and that. But you're not really hearing any speak out about men and their ability to dress how they want to dress and do what they want to do. Men usually get the short end of the stick and they don't, they don't really have a voice as much as women do.

I shared a post a couple weeks ago, um, from this mena…menism? Menimism? Page or whatever. It's like feminism but for men. And I agree with a lot of what they say there. I got into this huge argument with some idiot because they're like, you know that this is just a piss take, right? And I'm like, I don't know if it's a piss take, I don't know who the actors are, what they really feel about what's being printed on their faces. It's what is actually said on their pictures that I agreed with.

And it was things along those lines, you know, like men aren't allowed to be stay-at-home dads. It's the women that are allowed to. You know, if a man doesn't pay for dinner he's looked down on. Or if a man doesn't do this and he's the one looked down on, you know. Why do women get to get away with all this and men don't? It's a really, really unfair world still. And women are coming out in leaps and bounds wanting things to change for them so that they have equal rights. But men aren't actually getting the same rights as women because men are still forced into this, you're guy, you have to get up, you have to go to work, you have to take care of the family. You have to look a certain way, you have to act a certain way.

You, you know, you have a hard time getting custody of your children if the…even if the mom is an unfit mom, because moms usually win all the custody battles. It's rare that the dad gets full custody of a child. And if a dad wants to not work and just stay at home, he's really looked down on. And it's just I think it's just really ridiculous and it's really unfair, and my heart goes out to a lot of these men that feel trapped by society's ideas of what a male is supposed to be, especially when they're the ones that a lot of these things were started for.

If you look at nature it's the male animals that are the flashy, colorful ones. It's the females that are the boring, drab creatures, you know. Like the male peacock versus the female peacock. Uh, I know there's other animals out there but, you know, like the lion with his big mane. And, I mean, the males are the flashy ones and males are the ones who look spectacular. Except with humans. With humans it's the females with all the makeup. And it's females with all this and all that. But the males are called "gay" or, you know, "you little faggot" and all that if they try to do stuff that originally was for them.

And I don't know. I just wanted to give my two cents on that and mention how unfair I think it is. And um, I keep hoping for the world to change and be more accepting. But, I mean, like, tattoos are rampant now. I mean, there are so many people with tattoos. But you still see all these posts about how ugly tattoos are and how people don't accept people with body art.

And it just seems in a way, for every step forward we take we take two steps backwards. And when we find one thing to accept about ourselves or other people we find five more that we complain about. And it's just like, why does it have to be that way, you know? Why can't we just accept each other for who we are and not have to bitch and complain? Why is your hair like that? Why is your makeup like that? Oh, you like to contour, you like to do this and that? Why? What's the point? Maybe cuz I like it, you know. I personally don't contour but I know a lot of women rely on it to change the shape of their face. And men are like, why do you contour? This…I don't like girls with makeup. You know, you shouldn't…I like the natural look. And girls are like, well I do it because I want to do it. And guys have a problem with that.

Or, you know, guys get away with being fat and hairy and still getting, like, good-looking girls. And usually chicks, if they're fat and hairy, they can't get a good looking guy unless they're chubby chasers and have some kind of fat fetish. Um, there are double standards all over, and I don't really think it's going to change.

I'm not trying to change anything. I'm just giving my two cents here. I just really wish people would be more accepting. I never go to anybody and say that I hate the way they look and they don't have a right to look the way that they look just because it's not something I agree with. But people feel, no, I see no problem with coming to me and saying, oh I don't like the way you look, why do you look like that? And it's like, what am I doing that bothers you so much? What in my life directly affects you? I don't get as much hate now as I used to, but the hate is still there for me and people like me.

And it's just, like, when, when will we be past this? When will people grow and learn to love each other instead of always just throwing hate for hate's sake, you know? Um, not in my lifetime, that's for sure. I mean, I don't know if it'll happen anytime, really. I mean, we're…it seems like we're hardwired to be assholes. And that's the sad truth of it.

>>669131

The way he parrots her tho. Brainwashing or simply little brain?

And no anniversary video? Tattoos? Jewelry?

Raven matrimonial trivia: She and Josh got married on the anniversary of the day they got together, just as she and Logan did.

Josh and Logan wore equally ill-fitting pants, too. Anon was right earlier about Josh's proportions.

Lucipurr's page has returned renamed.

[pic related] is the first time she's assumed the voice of the pet in question. "Lucipurr" "talking" about his mean, neglectful mommy sounds awfully familiar.

https://www.facebook.com/Purrfect.Lucipurr

>>669402

So. Much. Hoard. Their dresser looks like the rows of plushie prizes at a carnival.

Are those tattoo design stencils peaking out from that notebook?

So half of that was cover story/explanation for the disappearance of the kittens' mother. Totally bizarre, but this is Raven so I guess it's just typical.

And so then she is apparently trying to style herself now as doing pet "rescues".. which comes off as another attempt to explain why animals that she refers to as HER pets appear and disappear with such rapidity.

>>669402

Hold on! Where did the fluffy gray kitten come from?!

>>669402
I’m so glad we managed to archive Raven LARPing as her cat to further enforce the delusion that those kittens only needed one Mom: RAVEN.

You're supposed to avoid cat litter boxes and cat shit while pregnant due to the risk of toxoplasmosis. Hard to imagine that is very easy to do in their tiny little shack filled with the number of cats they have.

>>669402
This is cringey as fuck even for Raven.

I managed to find three more Myspace accounts which would not be surprising nor eventful except for the fact that she has updated one with the name Bradley and is using her new profile pic. Who updates their Myspace in current year?

https://myspace.com/x.starblood.x

>>669402

My name is Lucipurr. I was born in October and given away too young.
I live with a deadbeat hick and some crazy old goth lady and a bunch of random animals.

The goth lady is mostly nice to me but gets angry easily so a lot of pets get taken back or 'lost'.
They take okayish care of these other animals but eventually get irritated and get rid of them.
I've seen a lot of kitties come and go and I miss each one that goes away. I never make friends for long so I try to comfort the other animals that often appear.
When they get ditched, I'm ready for the new batch of strangers I will meet. I am lucky I get special treatment, because the goth lady freaks out if any of the other animals try to sit alone or god forbid go sit on the hick's lap.

Lucky I get along with the random larger dogs that have come through here because she's probably have them sent to the pound asap and I feel kinda bad about how many other animals come through here.
I have heard the horror stories of some pets before myself so me and another permanent resident (for now) Bowie, have learnt to play the game, be compliant and hopefully we don't get shipped off somewhere.

At the moment I'm hanging out with my younger siblings a lot.
Things have been tough for them since the goth lady gave away our mother. She was pretty stressed out living in this new tiny shack and was lashing out at the goth lady for constantly handling my brothers and sisters all the time. She got mad that she kept picking them up and showing their genitals to the camera. She plays with that camera a lot. Anyway she got rid of my mother and started feeding my brothers and sisters some weird milk.
Luckily my brothers and sisters are too young to know any better so they follow me around. I've taken on a father role and it's definitely gonna sting when she starts to sell my siblings for her next fix of slim jims or a skeleton candle or some shit.

Follow this page to document our horrors and for god's sake, someone please call animal control on this crazy bitch! crying cat emoji

Edited your Lucipurr fan fiction free of charge Gravey.

>>669436

[a moment of silence for Grumpy Cat who grumped her last grump on May 14th]

Raven hasn't posted pics of any of the cats unrelated to Lucipurr since [pic related] on April 6th (Miss Pretty, Zero, Jessabelle). The gray kitten >>669406 appeared on May 15th.

>>669446
Wow good spotting. I never noticed the random grey kitten.

May 18th. I know the soil there is red clay, but surely you can get Loki cleaner than that.

>>669450
At least he has the excuse of running around outside. Lucipurr also looks yellow and indoor white cats shouldn't look yellow unless they are really old or their litterbox is not being changed regularly so their fur stains to a cream or yellowish hue.
We know Gravey makes them all use the one tray.

>>669451

Lucipurr was not white after all. He began developing pale ginger flame points and rings on his tail by New Years. His coloration turned out much like his mom's. The fact that Lili did not have hodge podge litters points to her first owner backyard breeding (not to mention back to back litters).

>>669446

Now that I've scrolled through the pics, that is the only pic of the other cats on the page now. She has deleted all of their pics and videos. She made such a production of posting their spay and neuter records and pics of their incisions to nyah the haters, only to wipe it all weeks later kek

If she did it because she wants the page to be about just Lucipurr (and apparently Lucipurr and the dogs) and not because she got rid of the other cats, how fucking cold to cut them out while boasting they're such a hApPy FaMiLy. They don't even matter enough to be listed by name now, either.

Bowie, blink the blue eye three times if you need to be rescued!

But see, as the world's most knowledgeable and responsible pet owner, she is running a pet rescue now! This means that it makes perfect sense when her pets disappear with no explanation!

>>669458
She only kept Bowie because of his eyes. I've noticed with dogs she only likes them if they have something unique about them.
Pure white (loki)
Different coloured eyes (bowie)
Doja (was a pitbull so she probably liked the 'image' of having such a dog. Either that or it was Josh's idea)
I'm under the impression that Pebbles was Josh's idea to get her into dogs but she hated her anyway and Azzy was supposedly Josh's present but she found it annoying because itf was too timid.

Unless they are a dog she can photograph for quirk points orf is easy to control, she wouldn't look twice at them.

>>669469

She had a small dog named Skellie that she "loved so much" when she was with abusive Ryan. Pebbles was another attempt to fill that niche. They already had Loki. When they had Josh's dogs and the strays visiting Raven was genuinely enthusiastic only about the white dog.

This has got to be an old photo, as it was seen on some old "modeling" website, but it's too good not to post becuz guffaw. What is even supposed to be the goal of this photo? Is "tits out backed by an average sedan" a popular modeling pose?

>>669484

This was taken by Ryan. That's his car.

See you got rid of more animals, gravey. That or you're trying to trick us like you always do.

Can't wait for the miscarriage story in gruesome detail.
>>669436
Top kek

>>669402

>My name is _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

What is the no doubt edgy character set Raven used?

He looks terrified in this pic.

And someone has been hitting the big bottle o' nighttime cold meds.

>Some were even trying to nurse and he just started licking them.

>The kittens that go around sucking on fabric, sucking on other kittens, sucking on humans, that's because they're taken from their mother too soon and they, they revert to their kittenhood, you know. They look for comfort by kneading and sucking on fabric or cloth or anything that might remind them of their mom. These cats, actually, they don't do that. They don't nuzzle or suck on anything. For awhile they tried that on Lucipurr because not only is he their half-brother but he looks just like their mom. They love him to death. They follow him everywhere. They're like…he, he might as well be their mom or their dad or whatever. But he is their brother. They don't suck on him anymore, but the cuddle up to him.

They don't do it except for when they did. If it's so problematic behaviorally, then why allow it at all? And take and post pics? Seeing them crawling on him in search of milk is unnerving if not creepy.

>>667400

She posted pics of kitten Lucipurr at her breast as if she was attempting to nurse him. Ugh.

I think this was her attempt to prank us on April Fools into thinking she had adopted another kitten for her tricolor hoard.

>>669402
LOL
She's always naming herself first and acts like she's an animal expert, lmao
How she's shitting all over the mom cat is hilarious. She's acting like a stepmom who thinks she's the actual mom cause she (thinks) she treats her stepkids better, but with a cat as the actual mom.

I wouldn't be surprised if Gravey got rid of all of the other cats.. What better excuse to keep all the kittens

>>669680
I find it very irritating that she acts like such an expert.
Just because you stupidly don't spay your cats and have watched a few litters being popped out, doesn't make you some authority on cats. It makes you a careless backyard breeder. I mean owning lots of cats/dogs over the years can teach you a few things but that doesn't make you a vet or wildlife expert. She's such a dildo.

She faking her pregnancy she is not pregnant at all and she has not moved, her and Josh still live in jonesville,SC ,she is nothing but a liar and a two faced backstabbing cow,saying she got all these problems when she the only one that has caused them herself,she is a animal abuser only gets rid of pets when she needs money and don't want them at all, look at the horde of cats she has now,already someone has a video up calling her a animal abuser

>>670014
Can you point us to the video?
You've given us a summary of things we already know or thing are true about Raven, so if you want to pour it out more in detail feel free.
When you next comment, don't write anything int the name or subject fields at all, just leave them empty.

>>670019
So you don't actually know her in person? Sorry anon, I had thought maybe you were her current real-life local facebook enemy.

We all know how fucked up she is with animals, we document a lot of them coming and going here. It's sad as fuck what she does to them.

Here's how to post: https://lolcow.farm/info

>>670023

Raven is going to blow her fucking top. Hope this girl is prepared to be bitched about by Raven for the next 20 years.

Oh, Ravey's going to shit nickels at this video.. good stuff.

>>670023
The girl seems high as fuck to me but she makes some good points. Basically all the stuff that's been said.

Someone want to make a spreadsheet of the animals? Like they did with that Nicole girl.

>>670080

See >>662951

Content Police: Raven Bradley (pt 2)

Miss Anthropy
89 subscribers
Published on Jun 14, 2019

I'm on my phone and the video got cut short. Here's my conclusion

>>670251
I love a good police hat.
One downvote on the first video, we know who visited you and left that of course.

Felt like your second video shed a bit more light on things. Sounds as if there is something of a history between you and Craven. Have you ever met her IRL, or were these photos of you she posted and mocked something she found online?

She is the hottest of garbage and I appreciated your frankness in your second video especially.

..and would like to hear more regarding your statement about how she was lying about living/moving back from NZ and where she is at here.

Saggy titted swamp hag. This video is gold

>>670300
I remember this. Raven posted messaged some info to someone and they revealed it to lolcow so Raven made fun of that person on one of her videos while Josh laughed like a retarded banjo player. I think it was taken down for bullying and Raven raged about how she's not allowed to post on youtube about others while lolcow exists. You know, ignoring the fact that they're COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WEBSITES.

>>670023
>>670251
These are painful to get through. No new information and so long and boring.

>>670310
Play them at 2x speed and she almost talks at a normal rate.

Don't do drugs, kids.

>>670023

Holy crap, lay off the Xanax next time.

>>670251
>>670023
Thanks for posting these. I didn't really think anyone would find them
>>670300
Never met her irl. She just took pictures off my fb of me goofing off with friends. You know something raven doesn't have.
>>670310
>>670311
>>670313
Sorry, I was really high. I smoke weed for anxiety and to help combat alcohol cravings.

>>669484

And yet, she shits on women for daring to breastfeed their child in public.

>>669364

>>669363

I've managed to save up the pictures from that video

>>670344

Are those skulls on her dress. I can't really tell.

>>670344

Raven doesn't think there's any difference between what she looks like as a teen to what she looks like now. Yeah right, and by that logic, Michael Jackson before his death looked exactly like he did in the early 80s.

>>670251
>>670023
since i've been following this thread i recognized this chick, this is Stephanie Gardini and the things she is mentioning happened in thread 8 in videos that are deleted as of now, but we have transcripts

>>464495
>>463264

>>670348

I guess in this picture, she sort of looks like she does today. Bring different is that her skin is several shades darker, but I'm not saying anything new.

>>670351

also >>468236 and >>468357

and you can see her at video embedded at @22:36

>>670257

I'm not Miss Anthropy. Why are you making that assumption?

>>670315
>Sorry, I was really high.
You should delete the video's and save yourself from the embarrassment&cringe for when you're sober. Holy fuck!

Who cares is she was high?
Bagging on raven ftw

Apparently the one friend she did have she doesn't no more

Lacks context.. who is this message from/to?

Well apparently it's from the girl that was a YouTube follower and became friends with Gravey, this friend of hers lives in sc, I guess this is how Gravey treats her friends

>>670449
Julianna?

Yes that would be her

>>670438

The falling out between Raven and Julieann is old news.

Where Gravey lives in jonesville,sc

>>670543
I wonder if that rusted old camper is her “extra” room for the hoard. Lol, what a fantasticly appropriate dump for gravy to live in.

Live in tin can, drive incredibly rare Cadillac? Hmm.. not too fucking likely.

I do not know who the hell is posting stuff about me or where they got there information from or how they got it even at all, I hate this site with a passion seems like all you people can do is sit back and talk shit a out people and there lives. You all need to grow up and move on with your lives instead of doing this to someone no one knows nothing about, what makes your life so perfect to say anything about anyone?

>>670553
Who the hell are you? Not sperg-y enough to be raven.

>>670553
Library friend, is that you?

>>670553

Compare the syntax to that of Julieann's posts on KF.

>>670543

Proof?

>>670553

Don't post stuff on the internet if you don't want it to be made public. Simple.

wonder if they are responsible enough to have a fenced area out back of their tin shack to contain their dogs, or if they just let them wander like your typical trash-o-matic trailer dwelling irresponsible pet owners do.

>>670643
I’ll bet ya their lawn is like a jungle too, flea and tick infested 3 foot high weeds. A perfectly white trash property. I mean they put down sticky carpet in the shack. Nothing is more white trash than buying your flooring at Walmart.

oh naw, they sell that peel n' stick carpet and tile shit at Family Dollar.. Walmart is going a little highbrow.

>>670543
pretty much as expected if this is really the ol casa de raven

>>670543
I wonder what it would take to haul that piece of tin from “Jacksonville” to NC? Wow gravy, lie better. Even if it were true no safe, respectable business would take that thing down the road. The wheels are probably rusted right off. Such an appropriate shack for the hag.

I kinda love it. It's exactly what would have been expected.

Sage your speculation about the shack.

>>670632

If >>670553 is referring to >>670438, that was private not public.

She and her love of superlativesmust be having the most difficult time coming to terms with what her life really is now. Oh, the lulz

>>670352
>>670347
>>670346
>>670251
If she didn't try to edit herself white/actually got sun/ditched the shit goff makeup, she would have just turned out an ordinary thai looking girl. Maybe even kind of pretty if she didn't chunk out.
Her nose looks less potatoey when she's darker. Her head went full moon when she got older and fatter.
All of that aside, her personality was probably still just as bad.

It always trips me out seeing old photos of cows before the drama because it gives you another side to them.
Like in two of those photos she seems kind of happy but the way she describes her childhood is like torture. Like everything is miserable and shit, the WHOLE time.
I know photos only tell so much but yeah it's weird she chooses to air some of the shit she has.

Content Police: Raven Bradley (pt 1)

Miss Anthropy
91 subscribers
Published on Jun 15, 2019

More on everyone's favorite haggard goth bitch

>>670251

She posted part 1 after part 2.

>>671338
The link doesn't work for me.
She must've taken it down cause she's afraid of being outed as the hoarding, pet killing pedophile she is.

>>671739
Link works for me. What I want to know is how old that photo is – many titty scratcher tattoos missing

>>671739

Where on the page is she described as the hoarding, pet killing pedophile she is? It doesn't list any info about her life after she moved to New Zealand.

Looks like Raven and one of her sock accounts are visiting that girl's page.

>>672259

>Joined 2006

Years before any of Raven's accounts.

Raven & "Friends": A dramatic reading

Miss Anthropy
92 subscribers
Published on Jun 21, 2019

>>672259
Her library friends crack me up. Couldn't be more obvious, gets shitty when people point it out … keeps going because who the fuck else is going to do it lmao

>>672273

So Raven set up a sock puppet account two years before she set up her own?

>>672348
Raven has a whole lot of sock puppet accounts and alt accounts going back years. She deactivates and renames them. The dates for that other account are not conclusive either way.

>>672374

The joined date cannot be changed.

MistressAliceD has accounts on other platforms dating back 10+ years, and her writing style is consistent (notably using excessive hyphens and spaces before periods).

>>672448
Raven has bragged about how good she is at changing up writing styles in the past. Could be a Raven library friend, could be some random Raven orbiter. Either way gives us a laugh.

>>672264
Hahaha. This girl is brilliant with these videos.

i'm kinda diggin' on this ms anthropy and her vids. she knows just how to piss ravey off.. i mean, look at those comments. i also like her IDGAF attitude- "yeah, i talk slow, that's because i'm high as fuck all the time, fuck off."

Sorry for so many tard attachments.. i'm a noob with this stuff, but these insta comments were too ridiculous not to share. it's a study in raven talking to herself.

>>672531

>10+ year old accounts
>three kids
>favorite videos mostly videos for kids and corresponding to when she had her kids

Occam's Razor, anon.

>>672557
Whoa is this an exchange between 12 year olds. Pathetic.

kinda. it's pretty obviously raven talking back and forth to herself, half the time under josh's profile. pretty pathetic and sad.

I looked up MistressAliceD and found a few profiles with that name . Found two UK profiles with it and 3 from the states(newfaggotry)

Congrats you looked up accounts and found that there’s gaps in the years. Do you want a brownie button?

>>673191
>>673159
Two days since the last actual contribution post. Took you long enough to find the hate site. Good job! Want a brownie button?

Gravy changed her IG name yet again.

>>673277

Of course she did, because Stephanie goes by Miss Anthropy on Youtube.

>>669100

Facebook accounts update.

https://www.facebook.com/covetously.shadowed
https://www.facebook.com/Vv.Graveflower.vV ^
https://www.facebook.com/x.Crimson.Rapture.x ^
https://www.facebook.com/x.Misanthrope.x *
https://www.facebook.com/xx.Graveflower.xx *
https://www.facebook.com/I.will.feed.your.obsessions ^

https://www.facebook.com/groups/a.sick.function.to.pry ^ (537771703382628)
https://www.facebook.com/Purrfect.Lucipurr * | Lucipurr@kittymail.com
https://www.facebook.com/Lucipurr.Bradley *
https://www.facebook.com/groups/a.morbid.fascination.with.death ^

https://www.facebook.com/Bradley.80six
https://www.facebook.com/Joshua.Bradley.80sicks
https://www.facebook.com/Josh.Bradley.80sixx ^
https://www.facebook.com/Joshua.Bradley.80sixx *

>>673277
This is the most adorable name change yet - another homage to us and her usual claim that everyone is just jealous of her garbage fire life. Stay mad, gran.

>>673685
Oh, I'm sure this time it's really real. Not like all those other times where she said the exact same thing. How convenient, what with the fake pregnancy and all.
Calling it now, she'll make a comeback because she needs the support after a miscarriage and 'a bunch of other stuff' that she'll never reference again. "So many people were contacting me and begging me to come back!"

>>673679
>>673685
jfc she looks enormous, thats the biggest ive seen her since her surgery, guess she is using the fake pregnancy as an excuse to binge eat all the slimjims left in planet earth

I swear she is a one trick pony. Constantly repeating herself yearly with the same boring monologue.
Ohhh, I won’t post anything about my baby (because like talking m&m’s, it doesn’t exist)
And the reason her “besties” end up here, is because she feeds them bs lies continually, and they catch on to her bs. And after helping her or coming to her rescue, they see they have been thrown under the bus in order for her to be the victim. A constant cycle with her. Thus why she has no friends anymore. She burns her bridges and then is the poor hag who’s been wronged.
Her leaving the interwebz is Christmas, comes around yearly like clockwork when she can’t handle the heat that’s been brought up. I’m just looking forward to the Birth, that was never a birth fiasco. If it’s true, I feel for the kid, but with that barren wasteland of a womb, I really wouldn’t doubt that she just came across a 15 y/o homeless trailer park junkie who got knocked up and would take a nice 1k for their next fix and trade off a kid. I guess we shall see towards the end of the year!

How dramatic, Raven announcing she is leaving the interwebs for what, the twelfth time? May the sock puppet account proliferation begin!

Didn't Raven say she was leaving the internet for good around this time last year..

Yep. And on about 3 or 4 prior occasions as well.

>>673852
She's just leaving so people forget about her totally real pregnancy.
Last time she left was when she got called out for scamming people with her fundraiser to attend her moms funeral in El Paso, to which she never went.

>>673679
She screeches about My ex friends go on the hate sites, my own son, Josh's brother went on there.
She mentions this around 12.40.

Gravey just confirmed that the troll on here pretending to be Josh's brother was actually him.

I bet the entire family hate her. We already know his mother and brother do.

>>673679

Where's transcript anon?

>>674400
If that was actually Josh's brother I wonder why he never came back? What a shame to miss out on that milk.

She's leaving right around the time she should start showing her "pregnancy." This will be hilarious.

>>674486
Josh probably talked him out of posting more shit.
I also think she's lying about having moved places.
She's put a velvet backdrop up.

she's just posted a "goodbye forever, watch my youtube video for more details" video on insta. sryyy, don't know how to post it here.

her comment with it:

"Excuse the stupid watermark, I was in a hurry and the log in wasn't working.
I had deactivated this account but accidentally auto logged in, so I have to wait one more week to deactivate again."

the new insta bye-bye vid has the exact same red filter as a pic she posted on june 6 that had a snowglobe effect on it. also the exact same makeup and outfit.

ss of thumbnail from june 6 snowglobe pic

ss of thumbnail from 'goodbye forever' insta vid, posted 2 days ago

>>674956
Can someone post some details or a quick summary. This long winded bitch. She did the "goodbye forever" when she stole money for her mother's funeral trip and now she's doing it because she's faked her pregnancy. Set your watch to this shit.

>>674400
I can't find it in the past threads, does anyone know which thread has Josh's brother's posts on there?

>>674452
>>674969

I downloaded the transcript but haven't had time to edit it. From skimming it she doesn't say anything she hasn't said before.

>>674400

She has said this about Joel before iirc. She goes into more detail about her falling out with Ash.

>>675159

>>>/pt/608941.

Consider: raven starts this latest video talking about how she got rid of "most of her stuff" except for "books, collectibles and clothes".

Any guesses on how many of their animals this "stuff" they got rid of includes? Mmmmhmm..

>>675172
She’s talking about Juliann, Not Ash
But she mentioned her

>>675172

Recently something about the formatting has changed to insert carriage returns every 8 to 10 words which are not removed by any srt or html stripping website or app I have tried, adding a lot of time to the editing process.

>>675447
Have you tried something like BBEdit, where you can do complex search and replace commands on text? Not sure if you're on desktop but it's free.

>>673679

Swan song

15,176 subscribers
Published on Jun 28, 2019

In this final video, I address everything that came to mind that I know of that's been said about me and my life: keeping my babies in jars, pregnancy rumors, moving, my exes, and animals. It's VERY long, but there was a lot to say and I wanted it all in one place. I'm sure, as always, that I've missed a whole bunch, but there's not enough time to talk about EVERY accusation. I feel this is more than enough, and more than I should ever have had to do.

Needless to say, if you see anything online about me saying that I'm dead (these people have made a memorial page for me in the past, pretending that I committed suicide, and when my friends spoke out about it, they posted as me to pretend that I was just testing people) DO NOT BELIEVE IT! Don't believe anything that you see online unless it's verifiably me or Josh. By this, I mean a voice recording, video, or picture holding the date. Yes, that extreme. You have no idea what these people are capable of and I won't be here to defend myself.

I cannot give out the baby registry or any other wishlist to protect our new location. All I can do is leave my PayPal account up, I'm sorry. This is NOT an expectation. This is for the people who have been asking for the link.

Paypal: Starblood@live.com (oh's, not zeroes)

Life is all about evolution. What looks like a mistake to others has been a milestone in my life. Even if people have betrayed me, even if my heart was broken, even if people misunderstood or judged me, I have learned from these incidents. We are human and we make mistakes, but learning from them is what makes the difference.

[transcript part 1]

Hey, guys. This is a very bittersweet video. And as you might guess if you follow me on social media, this is, again, another goodbye. I keep hoping for it to be the last one, but this time I really do think it is. I have a lot of things to address in this video, a lot a lot a lot. And this is actually the third time that I've made the video. I had made it and I edited it, got it ready to be uploaded, and before I released it things happened and I found out some other stuff, things changed, and that video wasn't really complete anymore. That's not the final video I kind of want to have out there. I want to be able to address everything, so that's what I'm gonna do. This video is going to be very long because of this. I have a little list here and I'm going to try my best to touch base on everything.

First of all, we have moved. We have been so tired and so burnt out. We've moved not too far, a couple hours away ish. And it's been packing and packing and moving, and I am so worn out. The video that I made was almost a month ago, so it's been over a month by now. But I can't do a lot at once. I get really tired, really worn out. I don't want to over stress myself.

I don't know where to put everything, what to do with everything. I just, I just have too much stuff. I've gotten rid of so much stuff. We took a whole bunch of shit to Goodwill and the clothing drops and threw out a whole bunch of other stuff. Really all I've got left are like my collectibles and my books and some clothes. But I got rid of most my stuff and it's still not enough. I just I can't really think. I can't really focus. I don't know where things are gonna go, what to do, so I'm just kind of taking it easy and a little bit by a little bit. It's not like anybody comes over here so it doesn't really matter if the house isn't complete or whatever. But if I look worn out that's why. I'm, I'm just beat.

So aside from that, if you stalk me or if you follow me on social media you would have seen probably very few posts here and there between me and Josh talking about expecting, expecting. And for those of you who are wondering if we are indeed expecting a baby, the answer to your question is yes, we are. And I will get into more of that later. [smiles and laughs]

I just wanted to say that I had a profile set up for close friends and family only, and some stuff there slipped out. And yes, I don't care what you think, if you think I did it on purpose or not. It slipped out because the thing is is with all the moving I've been on my phone. I suck, I suck on my phone. I type fairly fast on my laptop. I do everything on the laptop, on the computer. On my phone I'm really, really slow. I don't like the way things are set up. Things are supposed to be all…all things are supposed to be Android friendly or mobile friendly, but a lot of stuff actually isn't. It's not set up the same. And I don't use stories, and I had tried using stories and I thought that my stories would be friends only and it wasn't. Somebody else who followed me wrote me and let me know that my stories were actually popping up as public so I didn't even…I, to this day, have no idea where to go to change that. I know the stories disappear but I'm sure they're still in my profile somewhere. I just shut down the whole, that whole account.

I had a wish list…or a baby registry on Amazon and that got out. I quickly deleted that one and made a new one, and I personally PMed that to the people that had asked for it that I know and trust because it has my location on it instead of having it listed because it seemed like everything I try to do from my phone from that profile, it wasn't working out the way it was supposed to, and shit was getting out that I didn't want to get out. And I thought that since it was a new profile that nobody really was added to, it would be private and secret and if things got out it was okay. But obviously I have people watching every move I make, and so even that profile was not safe, so that got out.

There's huge debates over whether I'm lying or not which I will also get into. I have this…I don't know if I mentioned it because I've restarted this video a couple times, but I have a little list here that I'm trying to touch base on a couple of things. So I…this video's gonna go a lot into the hate sites because the hate sites are behind my reason for this video.

I had been getting a lot of screenshots from someone who is a really close friend of mine, and now I don't go to the hate sites on my own. If I see something from the sites it's because this one particular friend, and a couple of others, but mostly this one, was sending me screenshots saying, oh my god look at this oh my god look at that oh my god they know this oh my god they know that. And she said she was doing it to look out for me, to protect me, to warn me, etc, etc. And it turned out she's been posting on the hate sites, lying about it, of course, because you know that's what the pussies do, and sending me videos that were made about me and screenshots to get a firsthand response from me and hurt me. She wanted to be able to view my pain up close.

And this is somebody that I've known for over nine years who I thought was like a sister to me, really, really close to me. And I had started not trusting her because of the person that she's with. She got me involved in their relationship, coming to me bitching, complaining, telling me all kinds of bad stuff about him. I tried to be a good friend. I offered her advice. I offered her place to stay. I, I tried to be there for her. And instead she, she didn't listen to anything I said which is fine, that's her choice. But she let him see all of our messages and then he threatened to go to the hate sites cuz that's what they do. And I said, well as long as you're with him I don't trust him because he said this about me, he said that, you know, he really should be mad at you if anything because you brought me into your personal relationship. I was just trying to help, and all I know is what you've told me. If any of my information's wrong it's because this is stuff that you've told me. But he still always had a thing out for me. And he would go to my fan page and he would go to my profiles and he'd comment here and there and follow me and try to add me. And I'm like, dude, fuck off, I don't want anything to do with you, just go away, get out of my life, you know. And so I blocked him everywhere that I could.

She started kind of changing and acting weird. I don't think she was always untrustworthy. I think it came semi recently. But I really didn't like…like, we had a falling out because I told her, I finally told her what I thought about everything and she didn't like it. And we kind of lost our friendship a bit and then we made up. I was like, look, you know, we've been friends way too long to let this get in the way, we need to, we need to fix this, you know. I don't have many friends myself and I'm not really one to just throw away a friendship, you know, especially over something stupid. I mean, it's not stupid but it is stupid, you know. And I just really wanted us to be friends again. So we started talking but I kind of held back. I didn't trust her because I didn't know if anything I said was going to him or what was going on. And then she showed me some screenshots between them that kind of exposed her as having had lied about a lot of the stuff in the relationship. And I was like, well I don't actually know this person I'm dealing with. How do I know that anything she says is real or isn't? I mean, I need to know if I can trust this person.

So one day I asked her to do a voice call. And she called me up and I talked to her for about an hour. And I told her every single thing that the hate sites would really, really want to know. I lied my ass off about so much stuff because it was information that was different than what they had. And I knew if she was part of that or part of anything that I couldn't trust, it would get out, and it did. And I knew right then and there that I couldn't trust her. I had PMed her a message and then I deactivated that profile. She had blocked me. I woke up one morning and I was blocked everywhere and I was like…I had come to message her, see how she was doing because her eye was sore or something, and I saw that I was blocked. And I was like, again? What the fuck did I do this time, you know? Every time I turn around I'm blocked. I'm kind of…I'm really, really sick of this. I don't need this shit in my life right now. I just I don't.

So I went to a profile, my old old one, my old gaming one, and I wrote to her on that. I told her exactly what I feel about her, that I'm sick of her shit, don't ever fucking message me again, I'm not, I'm not dealing with this. And then I blocked her. That PM showed up on the hate site. Because she had come to me and said that there were videos out about me and she sent me screenshots but some stuff was missing, and so at that time I did go to the hate site and I did go and I looked. I scrolled up a little bit and I saw the screenshot from her that she conveniently left out sitting there from within her private messages. And I saw her also posting anonymously, pretending to be somebody else, saying, well actually Raven's lying and this and this and this and this and this. And it was every single thing that I had just told her. And I was like, man.

And it kind of…I'm not gonna lie. It really hurt. It really crushed me because that's not the first or the second or the third or even the fourth person that I thought I trusted that's shown up on the hate sites. It just seems like when somebody sees something they don't like or their own lives are going bad they jump onto the hate sites to join in the fight against me. And I'm just so sick of seeing people that I once knew or loved or trusted on those sites joining in with all the lies and the slander and the bullshit against me when these people know that it's not true. And once upon a time they were fighting the fight against it with me. And then they get a hair up their ass and next thing I know they're on there and it's like…

It was one girl that I had known since Myspace days who was such a good friend of mine, so I thought. We had a huge falling-out because she was being fed lies about me. We made up. I thought she was, she was such a good friend of mine. And out of nowhere she pops up on the hate sites and she starts using anything I've ever said, twists it, turns it into lies, and started just slandering me on there and using every single thing to her advantage to make herself look better or to get sympathy or acceptance.

Then this one.

My own son went on there. Josh's brother went on there. And it's like, there's so many more that I know of that just go on there, and I'm just done. I'm done with it. I'm done being betrayed and seeing people that I trusted just show up ready to throw me under the bus just to have acceptance from anonymous people who don't care about you. They only care about the information that you give them or the lies that you spew. And once somebody new comes along they move on to that person. You're nothing to them. They'll kiss your ass and suck up to you as long as they think they can get information from you. And as soon as they suck you dry they spit you out and that's it. You're nothing to them, and you you've hurt somebody and ruined a friendship over, over nothing, you know. I would have been a true friend to these people. I was a true friend to these people. And it wasn't good enough. And they had issues with me for I don't even, I don't even know what these people's issues with me are or have been…if that makes sense. Baby brain. It's just it's just something that's just old. I just wanted to say that anyway.

So uh, I've also seen, when I went to go check on her story, I saw some screenshots on there saying that, oh if I was pregnant for real they'd pray every single day that my baby dies because I'm so horrible, I don't deserve to be a mother, I don't deserve anything, I don't deserve a baby, a baby would rather be dead than to have me as a mother, it's better for a baby to be dead than to have me as a mother which is stupid and cruel, and that I can't get pregnant, I've lied about everything yada yada yada. And so that's what I want to touch base on quickly. I just deleted part of my list and I wasn't even done. I'm telling you I can't really think at the moment.

So to go back to the accusations or debates or whatnot, in 2013 I had an ectopic pregnancy. My right tube was removed and my left tube was left. The first doctor that came in told me that my left side was so blocked I would never get pregnant again, it was virtually useless, and my right tube, of course, was gone. That day I mourned. I cried and I cried. I got online, I signed up for surrogacy groups, I tried to find out about adoption, I tried everything to guarantee I would have a baby in my life. And I made videos from my hospital room. I made videos saying I hate God, I hate life, I hate everything and everybody. I was so torn apart and full of anger and just sorrow. It was just pure agony is what I was going through at the time.

Another doctor came in before I was discharged and I asked him about what the first doctor said because the first doctor never came back. And this doctor told me that he didn't know why the first doctor told me that because that's actually not true. I don't have a right tube but I do have my left tube. He says there is absolutely no reason that I cannot get pregnant because my left tube is fine and it will just take over the duties of my right tube. And it would make getting pregnant a bit harder but not impossible.

And after that I've gotten pregnant a couple of times. It hasn't been much, but I haven't been pregnant many times in my life. It's been a few and I've lost the babies, of course, every single time. I've had two ectopics and I've had multiple miscarriages and one live birth. And my rate of getting pregnant was cut down exponentially, but I still did get pregnant a couple of times with Logan and with Josh.

People that have previously been close to me knew that I was pregnant with Josh and tried to turn it around into that I faked it online to keep him. I don't need to lie about a pregnancy to keep Josh. I don't need to lie about anything to keep Josh. Josh is not going anywhere. He actually really loves me and he really cares about me. He doesn't care if we were to ever have a baby or not. He's happy with me. While we both had wanted a family, it wasn't a deal-breaker for us if we could never have a family. So that's a load of shit.

The same person also said that I lied about all my injuries in the accident and all I had was this slight case of whiplash which is bullshit because I had uploaded all the medical records, you know, as proof. And then, of course as always, everything is always turned around. This is also why I'm not posting scans and, you know, my body and doctors notices and things like that because I don't need to prove myself anymore. I'm not trying to prove myself to stay online. I'm not trying to prove myself to people who are gonna tear everything apart. There's so many people out there already saying that my baby is gonna be deformed or have Down Syndrome or look like a monkey or be ugly or retarded, and I'm not gonna put my baby under that kind of criticism for what, because it happened to be born to me?

Um, I might not have made all the right choices with my son, and I chalk that down to the fact that I didn't want kids. I was on birth control. I wasn't prepared and I was only 17 years old. This is way before the Internet. I couldn't look anything up. My parents didn't help me. My mom didn't help me. I had nobody to turn to. I had to just wing it. I don't come from a close-knit family, a family where we ever said I love you or were traditional or were supportive or where we even really looked like we cared about each other. And so I didn't know what to do. I had to learn the hard way over years and years of growing and learning myself. And I, I did my best. And my main goal was always to give my son that kind of life I didn't have and to try to spare him from the kind of life that I did have. I wanted him to have everything that was denied to me growing up, whether it be something as simple as having friends spend the night, going out with your friends, having the freedom to be yourself, have a parent that understood, you know.

I tried, and of course I made mistakes. But I'm determined to fix all that this time.

I was by no means the worst mother in the world, and I know that there are people out there that think that I am. I have this on my list as well. You know, the whole thing saying that I'm such a bad mother and I don't deserve kids and poor Dorian to grow up with someone like me, so damaged and all that. I, I am genuinely flabbergasted as to why people think that I am honestly such a bad mother. I mean, did I ever leave him outside in the cold, turn my back on him when he needed me the most, deny, you know, deny him friends or a life or beat him for eating the wrong thing, tell him that he was worthless, he would never amount to anything, show him no support in anything he ever did in life? No, wait, that was my childhood. That was how I grew up. And people expected me to be the world's best mother to know instantly boom boom boom boom boom [snaps fingers] what to do and how to raise a child. And you know what? That knowledge doesn't come naturally to anybody.

And the worst thing that I have done with him aside from being a helicopter parent, you know…I, I did log into his accounts and check on his lies and the messages he was sending to people and things like that. And I started doing that when I was catching him in lies, when he was involving me in lies and inviting strange guys to my house. Then I was checking to see if what he was telling me was the truth, and it never was.

I have watched over that boy like a hawk and that has been ever since he was about five years old and I had a friend whose…I used to go to her house from time to time, and she had a son who was Dorian's age. And her son was hit on the way to school by a drunk driver and he was killed. And I couldn't stop thinking, what if that was my son, what if that was my son? And, I mean, I held his hand crossing the street until he was 13 years old. And I got him a cell phone so that I would know where he was. I would sit at the windowsill and watch for him to come home from school, freaking out if it was too late and he hadn't made it back yet. I mean, I was always so worried about his well-being.

And the worst thing I did was I made a status back in 2012, around 2012, about him because of the fact that he just never acted like he cared about me or he cared about anybody else or even cared about himself. And I was like, after all my struggles to get pregnant and have a baby I was thinking to myself, is this the child that I'm gonna end up with? Is this is gonna be my legacy? Is this child that won't do anything to help himself, doesn't even care about his own mother and doesn't care about his grandparents. The only time he ever brought up that he was sad that his grandpa died was to get sympathy and attention from people. He didn't have any genuine feelings about anybody or anything. And I was like, you know, I said something along those lines, you know, meaning that basically I wish that if I had had a kid it would have been a kid that would have cared instead the one I ended up with. And I said it really harshly. I explained it right away. People said they understood. But that was all over the hate sites. And to this day, even though I apologized profusely to him for saying that, it's never…I've never been able to live it down. That's been held and lorded over my head ever since then. And the thing is is that he never knew I said that because I blocked him from that status, him and all his friends. The only way he knew was because people from the hate sites told him. So I had a lot of apologizing and making up to do.

And I did my best. I really did. I tried my best, and all I've ever wanted for him in life was for him to care, care about himself, care about somebody else, make an effort, go to work, go to school, get an education, do something so that when I wasn't around he could live, he could have a life, he could survive. And even though I haven't worked in a while, I had worked here and there. I worked a couple of times in New Zealand. Not often, but I worked a couple of times. And in America I was a single mother. I took care of him. I worked. I took care of us. His father dumped me when he found out I was pregnant. And my mom and dad took him in, you know. He was back and forth between us. If I was working or going through a divorce or whatnot I didn't want him around that kind of stuff. But the rest of the time I had him, and I was the only one, obviously, working. I, I worked and I took care of him and I took care of us. So he has been around his mother working until later on in life when things happened and I wasn't able to. But all I wanted was just for him to be safe and secure, and that's been thrown in my face in so many ways over the years, you know.

Anyway, moving on before this gets too too long. So I have a list here of stuff that I would like to clear up. For all the stuff that's out there about me. My parents in my old videos. Okay, I have a lot of videos on my channel. I have changed a lot over the years. I am not the same person that I was, and I've said this so many times in my life. I'm not the same person that I was when I first started making YouTube videos. Over the years I have had a lot of pent-up anger and hurt and resentment over the way that I was treated by my family. My real dad, my stepdad, and my mom. It came out really badly, I guess, in some of my videos where it seemed like I might have been shit talking or insulting. I didn't mean for any of my videos to seem like I hated my parents.

I mean, I have been dreaming about my mom actually almost every single night this week. I dream about her a lot. Before that I would dream about my stepdad a lot. My real dad's nothing to me. He's, he's, he is, he is dead to me. He abandoned me a long time ago. He doesn't care. I don't care about him. My mom has made a lot of mistakes in her life, and she always told me…I know she was orphaned when she was young. Her, her mom died when she was six and her dad died a couple months later. She was raised by her aunt and abused when she was younger. She doesn't also know what a a stable and good home life is. And she had told me many times when I was growing up that she doesn't know how to be a mom. She never really had a mom that she can remember. She doesn't even know passed down to me I didn't know. It's just one of those things.

And my problem with her was more that she didn't want to listen. She didn't want to be there for me in the way that I needed her to be. She didn't take me seriously when I had problems and I came to her. And neither did my stepdad. I mean, I had a lot of issues growing up. I have a lot of issues as an adult. And a lot of those will now never be cleared up because both of my parents are gone, my stepdad and my mom. And that's gonna be unresolved for the rest of my life. And that really, really sucks, but there's nothing I can do about it. I don't hate my mom and I don't hate my stepdad. I went through a lot growing up. And um, if those videos sound like there's a lot of anger and resentment, well, that's probably true. But, but I did not hate them. I just have a lot of, a lot of shit going on based on everything that I went through, and hopefully people can understand that.

I'm tickled.
>Claims not to read here ever!1 The library just keeps on sending her screenshots!!!1
Next breath:
>So then I went to read.

It's also kektacular that she mentioned the babies in jars comments.

anyone notice that crazy wonk eye? damn

>>675654
YES. Thought it was just me kek.
Is it old age catching up or something?

vid said she would be deleting everything on monday.. or wednesday at the latest. her youtube account is still up.. so is instagram.. think it will actually happen?

but i mean, from the screenshots posted above from her insta, it is obvious that she recorded her sad "goodbye, look at my youtube video for all the details" instagram video some time ago, at least at the beginning of june per the pic posted on june 6 with the same clothes/makeup/red filter. this is just another planned work on her part. she probably plots this shit out on a calendar

>>675623

Of course she mentioned the babies in jars comments. She didn’t have a choice. Her list told her she had to mention it

>>675500
'they' made a memorial page …

She made it. She admitted it. All of it. Repeatedly. This haggard bitch is scraping the bottom of the barrel for excuses now. It's like watching Vicky Shingles trying to retcon.

[transcript part 2]

Also, along with the whole "I'm a different person now" is me hating girls, hating nudity. I've said this so many times, but it's like people just want to believe otherwise. When I was at my heaviest weight I was a really negative person. I liked to shit on myself and say I was really, really bad. I was so horrible. I wasn't any worse than what a lot of people online nowadays are. I led myself to believe I was over-the-top bad because that's the only way I could explain why I attracted so much attention from hate sites because I must have been over-the-top bad if they've been on me for, you know, since, what, 2011-ish. I must have been a pretty bad person. But thinking back on the stuff I did and said and the stuff that I see online, I wasn't as bad as a lot of other people. I'm more open and I've got less of a filter but…and I don't lie about stuff. Um, that's about it. I mean, I don't know what it is that attracted so much attention to me. Maybe because I get affected by it, I get hurt by it, and I always try to explain myself. But there's something there that keeps bringing them back to me no matter what I've done. And…I don't know.

But I do know that I have changed. I have changed a lot. A lot of my anger and hatred for others came from my anger and hatred for myself. And back then I was always like, I don't like nudity, I don't like girls, fuck girls, fuck this, fuck that. But now I'm not like that. I will admit I don't like nudity and sex scenes in movies, and that is just because I believe that there's a time and a place for everything. And sex scenes are incredibly awkward. I personally don't like them. If I want to see nudity and sex scenes I would watch porn.

When I'm in a relationship it's no porn allowed. And if somebody gets with me that's one of the first things I tell them. I don't approve of porn, checking out other girls. To me it's disrespectful. Not for everybody; some people like it in their relationship. Some people have no opinion on it. Some people watch it together. I personally don't like it. And I do make it known because it would not be fair if I ended up with somebody and they love porn or they're used to it or they see no issue with it and then they get with me and I'm like, no. And then we have a big fight about it. If it's something that's that important to me, I do make it known. And they say they're fine with it. Then they usually go behind my back and hurt me by deceiving me and doing it anyway. When I've been single, now, I've watched porn. I'm sure most people have. I don't have anything against it. I just don't believe that there's any place for it in my relationships. When I'm in a relationship it should be me and the person I'm with, and that's it. That's it. I don't cheat, regardless of what people think. And I don't appreciate getting cheated on. I give the person I'm with all my attention and affection, and I expect the same in return. That goes for porn and checking out other people. It's just the way that I am. And if you're not in the relationship with me, then it's nothing for you to worry about.

Another thing that I still get accused of is my ex-husband Ryan. Um, that I fuck around with him, I have fucked around with him, and he continues to buy me stuff. Now, when he and I were married we were in a really bad relationship. I used to talk about him all the time. I did not want to be with him. I was miserable. I was just so depressed. I hated him. After we divorced he grew up a little. He changed. And now he's one of my closest friends, if not probably my best friend.

Josh talks to him. Josh…he and Josh have added each other. They've got no issue with each other. Logan didn't have an issue with him, but then Logan didn't really care about me. At all. Not like I thought he did, anyway. But Josh does love me.

But, I mean, Ryan has helped me out over the years. I won't deny that. I'm sure he does love me. He's always loved me or been obsessed with me, whichever way you want to see it. But the fact of the matter is, through everybody that's come and gone, he's been there. If I wanted to get back with him I would have just gotten back with him, but I don't. We are so much better as friends than we were as a married couple. I don't know if we met each other now and I was single if things would have been different, but that's not the way it worked out. And the way it is now he's a…he's really, really close to me, but he's a friend. I never cheated on Logan or Josh with Ryan. Never fucked around with him, never sucked him off or gave him hand jobs for him to buy me stuff.

When I was in New Zealand life was really hard and things were really expensive. He didn't have rent to pay cuz he lived in his parents house. He had his own bills, but he had more money than I did so he would buy me groceries when I was there. From time to time he might have bought me, like, a birthday present or a Christmas present or take me to the Clothing Warehouse where clothes were two dollars and then three dollars and then bought me some two or three dollar clothes. No big deal. But it definitely was nothing more than that. I didn't give him anything for it. I never promised him anything or led him on. He did everything of his own free will.

To this day he is a good guy, and we keep in contact. But that's it. Me, him, and Josh. And it's mostly because I know I could trust him because, as I spoke about earlier, almost everybody that I've ever met has gone to the hate sites against me. But I know that he never will. He never has, and he never will. He's just not that kind of person. And I've got at least one person that I know will always have my back no matter what, aside from Josh, you know. And people do nothing but twist that and turn that into something dirty, like they can't conceive of the fact that two people can be friends without there being something nasty in between them. But you know what, it does happen, it can happen, and that's just a way it is.

[transcript part 3]

Another thing, back to the baby stuff. A thing that I keep seeing, and I have seen all over the hate site when I went and checked on this person's story, was that I kept my dead babies in jars. And the ridiculous thing about this accusation is that right under it was a screenshot of my explanation which explained exactly how it was which was nothing like that. But they continued on picturing me squatting over a jar and scraping out my insides. So let me explain it again.

When I was in New Zealand and I had my ectopic pregnancy and I had my, uh…when I was pregnant with the twins I had a D&C because my body didn't get rid of the babies. They were in me for a month. I started getting feverish. They had no choice. They had to scrape them out. They were already dead. There was no heartbeat. But the bodies were still inside me.

Both of those times, as they do over there, the doctors know and they realize that this was part of your body. They were babies. They were alive. You might just want to keep them. They might mean something to you. You might not want to see them incinerated or thrown in the garbage. So they offer you, would you like your returned tissue so you can dispose of it properly, bury it, say a prayer over it or whatever. I said yes. What they do is, with the ectopic they gave me what was left of my fallopian tube and whatever chunks of the baby were in it. I couldn't really make out what was what. And with the twins it was my insides. I mean, after they do their testing and stuff…I don't remember what they test for, but they do their testing and then they give you what's left. They encase it in wax and they put it…it's medical wax, it's sterilized, and they put in a brown paper bag. It's about that big. [pic related] It's really small. And the tissue is freeze-dried. The tube was in wax.

And I had those in a freezer, tiny little bags smaller than a sandwich bag. And I had it in a freezer because Logan and I didn't own our own house. We had nowhere special to us that was safe that we felt was a good place to bury our babies that maybe might not be dug up later or whatever. So we didn't know what to do with them. They were tucked away way in the back of the freezer, sterilized, encased in wax, until we knew what to do with it. And until the day I left they were still there. At this point Logan, having moved out and changing the way he has, he has probably just thrown our babies in the trash. But I, I didn't know where to put them, you know. I knew that every place we lived in was temporary. So that's what that was. No babies in jars. Nothing bloody, nothing disgusting, and nothing wrong with it. I mean, I thought that was very cool that they gave you the option to take your returned tissue home and and get rid of it properly. So, yeah.

[transcript part 4]

Let's see here. Now we're getting into relationship stuff before I wrap this up. Two more, two or three more subjects.

People have accused me of cheating on Logan. I never cheated on Logan. I've said this in other videos before. My views on Logan have changed a lot over time. I'm gonna wrap up everything that I have in this little paragraph here and try to put it into one thing. But uh, rewatching some of my older videos from when me and Logan first split up I was very positive about him. I was very adamant that we loved each other and it was real. Then later on after I moved here I changed my tune and I was very negative and very angry towards him. And I was accused of, oh as soon as I end up with somebody new I turn my back on my ex and suddenly I lie and everything is really, really bad and I'm such a victim. That's not the case at all. I know and I understand that it sounds like it, but that's not what actually happens.

When I was with Logan, you know, we were under fire so much for the age. So, so much. I mean, I can see why people thought it was weird and disgusting because there was 19 years between us. But trust me when I say at the time that I was in the relationship I didn't see any of that. I didn't feel it, I didn't see it, and it seemed like the most natural thing in the world. Looking back on it now, now it doesn't. But when I was in it, it did. And I, I really did think that he loved me. I honestly I believed. I'm so naive and trusting. I am a really naive and trusting person. But I believed everything that he told me. I believed that he was not interested in porn. I believed that he loved me with all his heart, he was happy with me, he wanted to stay with me forever. And, you know, at the time I felt the same way, or I thought I did, you know. I had no reason to think otherwise. I mean, I thought he was gorgeous. I thought he was smart and mature, and he seemed to be everything I've ever wanted so, you know, I was happy.

But it turned out, from the first year we were together, behind my back, up until the end of the relationship, which was almost six years later, he was watching porn behind my back the whole time. And not only was that such a huge violation of our marriage, but it also came at a time that hurt me more because he had, he had trouble snoring, and he would snore so loud. And I'm, I'm a really light sleeper. I wake up for anything. I wake up if the sheets moved or untucked, you know. I mean, Josh…it drives Josh crazy but I walk around the bed and I tuck the bed in and I have to have everything perfect. I hear any noise, any movement… When Dorian was younger he would come into the room and just stand there and watch me sleep and I would sense him there and I'd wake up. I mean, I am a really light sleeper. So for Logan, Logan to snore the way he did it always wokened me up. And he would choke in his sleep. He'd stop breathing and he'd start choking and gasping for breath and I would get worried about him and I'd shake him and wake him up and stuff. And he wouldn't go to the doctor, take time to get it looked at. And it got to be where I was so tired I just couldn't sleep, and so we had to sleep in separate rooms. And I started getting really, really sad because I was married, I was married to someone that, at the time, I loved very much, and I couldn't even sleep in the same room as him. And he didn't make any effort to fix things or to try so that we could be together. I'd lay in the big old bed alone at night knowing that I have somebody in the other room, and I'm in there all by myself, you know. And he didn't seem to care.

He was really neglectful towards the end. I had gained a lot of weight while we were together, as you guys know. And then, you know, I got surgery and I lost a lot of weight. And I completely changed not only my outlook and my attitude but the way I reacted to things, the way I did my makeup, the way I dressed. I mean, I became a whole different person. And even that wasn't enough to get him interested. And towards the end he had stopped talking to me. Just, hmm. How was your day? Hmm. You want to watch this? Hmm. Like, we had nothing in common. We, we had…everything that had brought us together was no longer there. And I didn't even have him to talk to, to touch, just simply to be with.

And when I found out about the porn it was like the nail in the coffin for our relationship because it was like, I've been going through all this loneliness and you've been doing this behind my back? And for what, you know? What are you getting out of this? You told me the whole time that you didn't care about porn, you weren't interested in it. And now I know why you were in no rush to come back to our bed. You, you had fun looking at this shit every night. And it broke my heart and I knew that there would be no getting over it. And he knew that, too. I mean, we tried. We faked it and we put a lot of effort in the first few weeks. And soon after that we just realized that it wasn't really going anywhere. We kind of resolved ourselves to the fact that we were in different rooms, we were living different lives, we were essentially just roommates and we really weren't together anymore. And uh, we had a talk and that's when he told me, you know, I should look for somebody else because, you know, we both knew our relationship was over.

And after that is when [cut] I found somebody who really fucked me over, fucked me around for a couple weeks. And then I was like, uh uh I'm not doing this anymore. And um, Josh just came out of left field right after that…not right after, but it was, it was soonish after that guy. I've never really talked about the guy before because there was really no point. It was so short and he really did a number on me. But um, Josh came and he, he healed everything and he, he fixed everything. He, he just swooped in and gave me everything, you know.

And it's not that I ever lied directly about how I felt about Logan. I definitely didn't cheat on him. It's more, when we were together I had to pretend that everything was perfect. Anything that he ever did wrong I had to take the blame for or just pretend it never happened, you know. When we would argue or whatever. The only thing I ever really bitched about was that he was really messy. I would clean the house and he would come and he would destroy it, and I just got so tired of feeling like a maid and picking up after him. It wasn't just a couple things here and there like, hey I'm just cleaning the house. I mean, he would…it was like a hurricane. He just…it was like he would walk through and just come in with a paint tray and drop paint all over the brand-new carpet, you know, do shit like that, things that could really get us into trouble. And I just I was so frustrated with that.

But anything else about our relationship, where he was neglectful or whatever, I kept it to myself. I just pretended, both for my sake and for his sake, that he was, like, the perfect husband and he, he wasn't. And um, for a while I wasn't the perfect wife. I tried to be but, you know, I guess nobody's perfect in every way. And I must not have been what he was looking for. And he never told me that or showed me that until I caught him.

When we split up he did a couple of things that really pissed me off. For one, I realized I no longer had to keep lying about him so I didn't. Whatever had upset me I was open about. It wasn't that I suddenly decided to start slagging him or talking shit about him. It was just that my need for lying and covering up whatever faults he had when we were together, it was no longer valid, no longer there, so I didn't.

He had made a promise to me, like, he swore to me when we split up that he would not talk to Dorian again because Dorian had gone to the hate sites and he had talked about both of us. And just the, the way he had betrayed us and the stuff that he had said, we had both agreed that we weren't gonna talk to him anymore. And not only did Logan talk to him, he became friends with him again. He moved in with him and he started sleeping with Dorian's wife.

So on top of that I had people that were following Logan tell me that he had just started randomly adding or following all the people who had ever hurt me or hurt us in our whole relationship. And that was, like, another blow. Like, do you not have any loyalty at all, you know? These people that came in and hurt not only me but tried to hurt me and you or pretended you did nothing wrong and then just attacked me for everything, and now you're being friends with them. Why? There's so many other people out there. Couldn't you have slept with somebody else or been friends with other people? But to directly go after the people that hurt me the most, that just seemed like a personal attack to me. And that, that really sucked because I thought, I always thought he was better than that. And that's when my last bit of any kind of affection or good thoughts about him ended.

Now, I don't care what he does in his life as far as who he's with or what not, but I really do think that his choice in this matter is extremely fucked up and it's wrong. And I, I know what he looks like now. I know that he is also dressing as a woman, thinking that he's trans or whatever. And that's thrown me for a loop because, you know, I was with him for almost six years of his life. And when we first got together we joked around and dressed him up like a girl. I mean, that wasn't anything serious. It was just it was supposed to be really funny. And we only did that once. Aside from that, that's it. He's never shown any signs of wanting to be a female at all. And dressing up like a girl or wearing makeup…I couldn't even get him to look goth or alternative and wear the eyeliner he used to wear when we got together. He wanted to grow his hair long. He didn't want to shave. I mean, there was no signs that he wanted to be female, and now suddenly he's going by Lydia and he wants to be a female. And I, I don't understand that at all.

And I think that it's the slut that he's with that is, uh…has gotten in his head and has manipulated him into thinking that because she thinks that she's a boy even though she still looks like a girl and wears dresses and dresses…she presents herself as a female but she says she's a boy. And I, I just have nothing but hatred for her. And it's not because I'm jealous of her or I want to be her or she has my ex-husband so uh… No. It's because she tore apart my family. She lied her ass off. She went to the hate sites. She had a personal vendetta against me from the start.

And I've been called out for calling her a slut because she was 16 or whatever. But I stand by what I say. She was bragging about being a cam girl and sexting with strangers and having cum all over every part of her body but her face at 16 years old, before she was even 16. And having sex, losing her virginity to two guys in the same day. You can only lose your virginity once, but she said she lost it twice. She doesn't even know what that means. Having unprotected sex and deciding to stop birth control and then saying, oh well, abortions a girl's best friend. Like, abortion as birth control because she wanted to stop birth control. And then telling my son that she would leave him if he doesn't approve of her sleeping at other guys houses and cuddling with them and kissing them on the lips and things like that. And she strong-armed him into agreeing to all that because he didn't want to lose her.

And now she is sleeping with his ex-stepdad or friend, however you want to look at it. They weren't really friends because they only knew each other for two weeks before he and I got together. But however you look at it, it's a fucked up situation. Now, I'm not there. I don't know what's going on. I have a feeling that Dorian is miserable, though, because from what I remember of him…I mean, he could have changed by now for all I know. But what I remember of him was he was very one-on-one. Like, he had a wandering eye himself. He wanted to cheat, he loved his porn and shit like that, you know. But he always had this desire to be loved and be made to feel special. And even though he blamed me for everything, he came to me and he did tell me he did not like that she wanted to do these with these other guys and, you know, her, her loose side. He didn't approve of that at all. He didn't like it. And I had told him that communication is key to any relationship. If he didn't like it he really needed to talk to her about it. And he did. But he said that, what my mom says bla bla bla bla bla, and kind of helped egg along her hatred for me. And that's not what I said. I told him he needs to talk to her.

And now he is in this relationship. His close friends have told me that he won't write to them anymore, he won't reply to anybody, talk to anybody. He doesn't post, and any post they see is all her and Logan. On his anniversaries not even a post of them together. On his birthday there was, like, a little cupcake, but she was out with Logan. Logan Logan Logan. That's, like, her whole world now, him and her, and my son is just an afterthought.

And I know when I first got back to America and I came out with my videos and I had just found out everything I was really full of anger about the whole situation and I was pretty nasty in those videos because I was hurt. I'm still hurt, you know. But uh, I've calmed down now. Maybe it's the fact that I know I have a second chance. I can try again to do everything right. And I want to be a more positive role model this time. And just whatever mistakes I made I, I want to fix it. So I'm a lot calmer. I'm just trying to be…I just want to be my best person. I want to be the best mom I can possibly be.

And I, I feel really bad for Dorian if that is the situation that he is in and he doesn't want to be in it. Because I think that she has, from what I've been told, I feel like she has a lot of control over his profiles, who he talks to, and what he does. Meanwhile she's going out screwing around in front of him, and he can't do anything about it. He's withdrawn from everything that he once loved, and he looks like a shell of himself from what I've seen and what I've been told. These people have been trying to talk to him and trying to get close to him and reach out to him but they can't because he doesn't answer anything. And they think that it's actually her on his accounts. And uh, who knows. I mean, I've been accused of being on Josh's accounts and I'm not. I was accused of being on Logan's accounts and I was with his permission.

So I don't know what's really going on. It's just these are just thoughts. I probably shouldn't even upload this, but I just want to give my, my actual…I don't want people to assume what I'm saying or what I'm thinking. I want people to know what I'm saying and what I'm thinking. What I'm saying and thinking is, I hope Logan's happy with his choice in life. I'm really disappointed in how he seems to have had a personal vendetta against me to go and add all my enemies for whatever reason. I'm really disappointed in his choice of partner. He could have gone with anybody else. Anybody else. But he should have left my son alone to have a marriage that he, he threw his own mother away for, you know. He threw me away for this girl. And I know he would have wanted a one-on-one relationship with her. And it just really sucks, the whole situation.

Even though I hate her with a flaming burning passion, I remember when they first got together I supported them and I just wanted her to like me. And a lot of things she was doing that I was like, hey tell her this, tell her not to do that, Dorian was encouraging her to do and he wasn't taking the blame for it, so I was here like, god she's rude, she just walked right into the house without knocking. He was telling her to do that and didn't tell me that he told her to do that. And I was like, can you tell her not to just walk into my house, you know, knock first or something, I don't even know she's coming over? You know, little things like that. He kind of pit us against each other so we were doomed to fail at the beginning. Maybe he didn't want us to be friends or he didn't want us to be close or whatever. I don't know what his reasons are. I'll probably never know.

But it shouldn't have been this way. I should have had my son and a daughter-in-law. I saw pictures of their wedding and they looked very nice. He looked really handsome. And I didn't even get told by him that they got married or anything, and it's like I've been completely cut out of his life. And I'm not gonna force him to talk to me. If he doesn't want anything to do with me, then fine. He can live his life. He's almost 25 years old. He's made his choices. If uh, if he's happy with what he's done, then fine. But one day I'm not gonna be here. I learned that the hard way. My mom's not here. My, my dad's not here. And um, people leave. People die. You never know. And once, once that person's gone, you never have a chance to make amends. And that's what he really needs to think about, what he wants out of his life and if he's happy with his life. But again, that's not on me and I'm just here. Just that's just my say. And I just wish things hadn't turned out the way that it but they did. I don't even know what happened, honestly. I, I remember bits and pieces. But as time passes now, putting it all together and trying to figure out how exactly we came to this point, I just, I just don't know. I just don't know. And it really sucks. But… [shakes her head]

What memorial pzge?

Tuesday post, still on fb it seems

[transcript part 5]

Lastly… This video is way too long. I'm actually gonna stop it because I don't want it to cut out on me at an hour. So I'm gonna stop this and I'm gonna start it again, and then I'll combine them later on.

[cut]

Okay, so. Lastly…um, I have a video that is pinned on my channel that talks in greater depth about this so you guys can go check that out if you want the full information about everything. But I always get accused of abusing, neglecting, killing, and abandoning animals. None of that is true. I have hidden Lucipurr's page and tried to get rid of everything animal related…well, on my Facebooks or whatever because I'm so sick of hearing about this.

Every animal that we have had we have had taken care of. We have loved them. We have cherished them. We have gotten them spayed or neutered, gotten their shots. Some animals have been fostered. Some animals have been here and we were never sure if we were gonna keep them or not so we, we took them in and we always said, you know, we always act like they're gonna be here forever so we're like, these are our new pets, these are our new pets. And a lot of them actually were fosters, but there's no point in saying they're fosters if we weren't sure if we were gonna actually keep them or not. Some of them…most of them we've ended up passing along to their permanent homes. Um, every animal we've had we have helped in some way. Some of the animals that we've gotten have been shelter bound and have stopped them from going to a shelter. Any home, even a temporary home, is better than no home. And these animals are all alive because we helped them. We, we have done so much more than we have ever talked about or gotten credit for, and it's been twisted and twisted and turned around because of something that I said once in a video from about 2008, maybe 2009, about a situation that happened when I was 13. This is something that I have completely avoided talking about. I don't want to talk about it but, again, if this is the last video I make I will talk about it here.

I made a video in about, like I said, 2008, 2009-ish where I was reading out the story of my life. I was working on a book about everything I've ever been through. So many people over the course of my life have told me that my life sounds like a book and I should, I should write it, so I finally decided to do that and then I decided to read it because I thought it could help somebody. And there were people that have told me that knowing that somebody has had a hard life or have been through what I've been through and I'm still here has helped them get through it, stopped them wanting to commit suicide or whatever. I just wanted to help people. So I read it out.

I mentioned on there that when I was 13 years old I used to kill animals. And to clarify, this was never cats and dogs and things like that. When I was younger I was abused really badly by my parents. My stepdad, he was an alcoholic. He used to hit me all the time. My mom was always…she always had a horrible temper. I grew up going through a lot of shit. I had so much, so much on me when I was younger. I was confused. I was alone. I was angry. I mean, for example…I don't want to make this into a my life story video. It's already long enough, but I have to give you some examples so you guys can understand the mindset that I was in back then. Not only had I just been abandoned by my real dad…he sent me away without another word. I never saw him again.

My mom, you know, she, she was never one to really show love or affection. She didn't even stand up for me a lot of times when my stepdad would decide to hit me. And she would hit me a lot of the time, so. I've had bowls broken over my head because they were dirty. She's whipped me. She's hit me with knives before. She wasn't as bad as my stepmom, though. But she, she did her own stuff to me.

My stepdad, back before, you know, we grew up…or I grew up and we mostly got over everything. When I first went to them it was really bad. And I remember one time…I'm left-handed so I cut my food differently. We were sitting at dinner. Me and my mom and my dad. And he didn't like the way I was cutting my steak. And uh, he got out of his chair, wrapped his arm around my throat, dragged me out of my chair, and started beating on me. And I started hitting him back. As we were rolling around on the floor and I was getting hit by him, getting screamed at, called names, the chair knocked over, and my mom just sat there at the head of the table like, okay you guys, eat your dinner, or something like that. She didn't even protect me or try to stop anything, you know.

He used to kick me in my ass and tell me that I was his dog. He would bring me plastic dog bones and dog treats. He got a "Beware of the dog" sign. We didn't even have a dog. You know, shit like that. I was, like, not necessarily their whipping boy, but he really didn't want me there when I first got there. And he told me that in no uncertain terms, you know. I remember one time we had gotten into a fight and we were in the hallway and um, he had just…he was dragging me down the hallway by my wrists, actually. And I said, you…that he didn't even care about me and I was only there as a gift because the only reason I was there was because he had sent for me to be a gift for my mom.

There's conflicting stories about why I was there. My, my real dad said that my stepdad threatened him with court or some shit and he had send me there. And my stepdad said that my real dad contacted him and said that he didn't want me anymore, and if they didn't take me I was going to a foster home. And I was the youngest so my mom always missed me, and so my stepdad paid for me to go. That's what I meant when I said I was a gift, gift for my mom. And he was like, you're not a gift, you're a curse.

You know, it was just stuff like that, just constant constant constant getting hit, getting hit. Getting told, get the fuck out of my house. And I was fat even though I wasn't fat. Or I looked weird. And just my, my youth growing up was really, really traumatic and really bad. And I had so much pent-up anger and rage I didn't know what to do. I didn't…I could not process it.

And a lot of that had carried over from when I was with my stepmom and my real dad. And she was way worse to me than these two were. And, I mean, I've been bloodied by her and all kinds of shit. I don't want to go into everything again. There's no need for it.

But the point is is that I was, I was in a rough spot and I had so much rage in me. I was cutting myself. I tried to kill myself. I ended up in ICU for four days. I almost gave myself a heart attack. I had to have my stomach pumped. I ended up in psych wards left and right.

And back then I would get, like, mice, frogs that were outside, little hamsters, and I would kill them. And I would, you know, dissect them and stuff them up and things like that, you know, real twisted stuff that I'm not proud of. And I'm pretty sure I said that in that video. I'm not proud of it. That is not who I am anymore. And I was only like that at the time because I was such a troubled child, you know. I was probably about 13 years old when I did all that stuff. And it was all found out when I tried to overdose when I tried to kill myself because my parents went through my room. And that's part of the reason that I was put away in the psych ward the first time because they found my, my room of death or whatever. And um, that was the end of it, you know. I didn't just have pet cats and pet dogs and then just slit their throats or something like that. It was nothing like that.

And I know what I did was bad enough, but for fuck's sake I was 13 years old. And like I said, I was an abused child who was going through a lot of shit. And um, that was the only way that I guess I was able to process it. I took it out on the little creatures. I took it out on myself. I used to try to do spells and chants and stuff to wish that my dad would die of a heart attack, you know what I mean? Like, I was just angry. I just wanted everybody around me to die. I was so miserable. You guys just don't know what it was like being me back then. And being alone most of your life. And then not knowing who you are and what's going on because you're told that one set of parents hates you and just used you and the other set of parents didn't want you anyway. And all the kids at school thought you were strange because you don't fucking know anything.

This transcript is longer than the mueller report.

>>676280
Don't ruin Billie for me ya hag.

>>676328
I can't believe she starts to explain the animal abuse by going off on a tangent about being abused herself for like 20 mins.
I'm sure a lot of people were abused as kids, it doesn't make it acceptable to abuse animals.
It's like pedos that defend themselves by saying they were abused themselves. It's still not a good enough reason to repeat the behaviour.
Take some goddamned responsibility.

>>676280
Trust Raven to be obsessed with a song a million years after it's released.
She's so stunted.

New video posted two hrs ago "spilling the beans".. on mobile and can't get it to link.

She has got the same hair/makeup/outfit as the red filtered instagram video from a few days ago, and pic from a month ago.

Comments disabled on this new video, though it is mostly just the same things she said in the previous video. It is interesting though that it is obvious that this second video was made well before the first. What is she playing at?

Spilling the beans

15,188 subscribers
Published on Jul 5, 2019

Onward to the next chapter in our lives!

Note: I play some games that are unfortunately linked to my Facebook, and don't work if it's deactivated, so unless I am able to transfer that data (which is doubtful) I think I'm actually going to have to leave my Facebook up. I'll be working on locking it down if possible, hiding everything, and will not be using it or checking it.

>>676782

This is most likely the previous version of her final video that she was about to upload when she had her final falling out with Julieann and Stephanie's videos appeared.

>And this is actually the third time that I've made the video. I had made it and I edited it, got it ready to be uploaded, and before I released it things happened and I found out some other stuff, things changed, and that video wasn't really complete anymore.

Think posting this earlier version of her declaration to leave the interwebs (three days after her previously stated deadline for being completely offline, Wednesday) forevah is a fuckup, or intentional?

>>676803

There are a few things in this video that are not in "Swan song".

>>676786
This one's a fucking doozy. She literally states "I have Josh and I don't want anyone else, not even friends - I don't want to even talk to anyone else because Josh is all I need"… she says that's why she's left the internet, because she has Josh. Imagine putting that on someone, imagine having to be someone's EVERYTHING. How does she not realize how incredibly unhealthy and disrespectful that is? That isn't love, you wouldn't put that on anyone you love or have any respect for lmfao. She has no job (doing surveys online doesn't count Gravy), no friends, no actual hobbies… just Josh

I can't with this bitch. I know not to get mad at cows but her complete lack of self-awareness and refusal to accept any responsibility for her endless fuck-ups… her attitude is the literal worst

>>676939
Not only that, but she says 'even after he finishes work and he's like the walking dead, he STILL gives me attention'
Like yeah that's nice and all, but how about giving the poor guy a break. Not everything is about entertaining you. I bet she just plays facebook games and eats slim jims all day while Josh is working to pay for her dollies and knick knacks.

I just imagine finishing a longass shift and having to change the litter trays and clean up, having to listen about the haaaters and then after all that, having to sit down and watch Riverdale or some shit while I rub thge bunions on her stumpy little feet.
Being married to Raven would be like marrying a spoilt awful child.

Also she justifies everything when it comes to Dorian. Apparently she never did anything THAT bad EVER and blames it on how she was abused just like she did with her animals.
I can't with this bitch.

>>676786
When we she learn that leaving is leaving? My god, she says twice in there somewhere that she might come back.

Either do it or don't. There's no need to constantly announce it.

>>676939

I know she made vids years ago about having bpd and listed off the traits of it so surely she knows this is like the number one mistake borderlines make in relationships. This obsessive 'you are my everything' attitude isn't romantic, it's co-dependant, it's unhealthy and it slowly kills the relationship and fucks up the partner

Already been delayed by a week,per what she stated in the 'swan song' video. What comes next?

>>677274
She really keeps tooting her horn about this. Best wishes for the birth of your fake baby, Raven!

Instagram appears to be gone.

"If I ever come back, it will be to this account" I thought she said she was definitely never going to have an online presence ever again?
Classic Gravy.

>>676947
The 'he still gives me attention' bit is filtered through her worldview. Remember all the times she posts photos / video of them 'having a great time' and he looks bored and shitty, and keeps correcting her? Or when she hid under a table and jumped out at him liuke ~so random~ and he was pissed off? She demands attention and leaves him no choice, because he knows failure to comply will mean getting her bitchy side endlessly. The dude is almost a fucking hostage at this point.
Bet momma's couch never looked so good.

And she still goes on about Logan and porn. It went from a singular incident, to several to the entire time they were together (a teenage boy watching porn? what a shock!) "such a betrayal", unlike fucking your ex / sugar daddy while your husband goes to work to earn 95% of your income, that's totes OK.

>>677274
She always think she's so important she has to announce the second she leaves the internet. She always forces Josh to leave too.

Nobody cares Graven, you'll be back soon, like the past 3673 times you ~~left the internet forever~~ cause your fat ass isn't able to not share every single about your filthy trailer life.

I already can see her next three hour video, in which she explaines her miscarriage that was more than a miscarriage.

>>677527

There will be a point where his attention won't be enough and she'll turn from obsessively loving him to feeling rage and throwing around accusations of neglect.

Does anyone know how long she lasted with Logan before reaching that point? I think she mentioned the last year or so actually being a non-relationship with them sleeping separately and essentially 'being roommates' (except he still paid for everything she wanted lol)

"Spilling the beans" vid has been removed from her YouTube.

Maybe its posting was a fuckup on her part, since it was obviously one of the trial runs for the "Swan Song" vid.

What a basket case she is.

>>678637

https://www.bitchute.com/video/MUVBH3KtUOI/

https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/y2mate-com-spilling_the_beans_muvbh3ktuoi_360p-mp4.828922/

I will finish up the transcripts this week. I took a break in part to see if she would up the attention-seeking ante.

It is extra bizarre that at this stage in the game raven still seems to think that deleting things from her accounts does anything to remove them from the internet.

Don't you know by now, ravey? Once it's posted, it's forever.

>>678637

It's back with a new title and description:

Farewell!

15,220 subscribers
Published on Jul 5, 2019

Onward to the next chapter in our lives!
I had two videos made, saying goodbye. The other was almost an hour and a half long in which I explained everything ever said about me and tried to clear things up for the last time. This one was released by accident, but in the end I decided to leave this shorter video up and take away the longer one.

Note: I play some games that are unfortunately linked to my Facebook, and don't work if it's deactivated, so unless I am able to transfer that data (which is doubtful) I think I'm actually going to have to leave my Facebook up. I'll be working on locking it down if possible, hiding everything, and will not be using it or checking it.
Note 2: The "friend" who was sending me screenshots and all the info was actually part of the site and doing it to hurt me and see my reactions real-time. She was the last straw for us in our decision to get offline.

For people asking, I cannot share my baby registry because it has my address on it. This is all I can leave you:
★Paypal: Starblood@live.com (oh's, not zeroes)

Life is all about evolution. What looks like a mistake to others has been a milestone in my life. Even if people have betrayed me, even if my heart was broken, even if people misunderstood or judged me, I have learned from these incidents. We are human and we make mistakes, but learning from them is what makes the difference.

>>679990

Can't deactivate her facebook cos facebook games..

Can't share a baby registry so just send cash to her paypal instead..

Can't share baby pics cuz.. there's not really any baby.

>>679990
Does she never tire of the repetition? Because it sure gets boring on this end.

well, if your primary gig in life is attention-whoring, you're gonna keep repeating the patterns that you have found work for drawing the attention you so crave..

>>667776
She was a rolled roast way before she met Logan

>>689050
sage next time

>>689050
Hi David Burrows. You're outing yourself

What is her current record for “time away from the internet”? Feels like she’s re appeared in past times by now.

>>690045
She has a fake pregnancy and fucking Josh over with that to cover up. Could take a while I guess.

I just now watched the Miss Anthropy videos - great that someone's making Youtube content about this topic to counter Raven's one-sided "propaganda". But, girl, you really need to lay off the weed - your content could be so much better if you recorded your videos sober. You keep losing your train of thought and repeating yourself. Still, you do much better job than I would've on weed, that's for sure (if I recorded something after smoking/ingesting weed, it would be totally incoherent).(off-topic)

Is anyone else hoping hurricane Dorian hits SC but concentrates all of its damage on her little shed trailer? The poetic justice.

>>697334
I live in hope that one day admin will finally mark her posts, even though it would be merely symbolic now.

>>697378
She will be back! Actually she probably is still here. But her social media ~comeback will definitely be after a very detailed, gruesome, woe is me stillbirth.

>>697387
She'll definitely be back if she miscarries because she needs the attention and validation.
She may or may not if she has a child. She will want to post shit because she wants to make Dorian jealous and to brag about her goth baby outfits online, but she also may not post anything if Josh is man enough to tell her that this is also his child and he does not want anything put online about the baby.
Josh is doormat as hell, but I could see him being protective of his first and only child especially seeing as she's already managed to isolate him from his family.

Wait some of you guys think think there's actually a baby? L M A O

If there was a real pregnancy Raven would have shown a bump or an ultrasound. She is notorious for proving she isn’t a lying sack of shit. Going as far as showing kitten jaw bones to prove the dog killed the kitten. She doesn’t shy away from proof when she has it no matter how gruesome or embarrassing. She will post screen shots of convos, hospital paperwork anything she has. We have not seen one ounce of proof this time. If the extremely unlikely pregnancy is true then I agree with pp Josh finally manned up and told Raven to get offline for the sake of his kid and shockingly she listened.

>>697671
I'll be living if she tries to pull a stunt using Lorelei

>>697681
Not here to wk but she mentioned in both her recent videos that she wasn't going to show or talk about anything to protect her baby from us. All we can do is wait. Hopefully she trusts someone else who will come here and spill.

>>697961
>to protect her lies form us
if she had a real baby it would be the best thing she had going for her, she'd show it off

If she is really pregnant please die in childbirth(a-logging)

>>698244
She isn't. She only goes into hiding when she's about to get caught in her lies. Like last time when she scammed people to get to get moms funeral, which she didn't attend.
In a few months we're getting another "I'm back, but not 100% only library friend will hear from me. Josh also isn't allowed to be online. My baby? I don't want to talk about that yet." and of course a "we lost all of our dogs but got five new ones. I gave Lucipurr away because he sat on Josh once and not on me" video

I'm sure she's going to pull another graphic miscarriage story out of her ass for sympathy and to do a scam. "Oh it was a late miscarriage am so damaged and caveman has to take care of poor me, pls send monies."


I dont think she can get pregnant based on the info in one of the previous threads about her one ovary or broken fallopian tubes or whatever it was.

>>698330
yeah but is her fallopian tube story real or is it something she's said for sympathy?

>>698357

Before we rehash this question yet again, read thread #12. Her reproductive history and the contradictions in her tellings and retellings were discussed at length.

>>>/pt/507801

In her video about her ectopic pregnancy with Logan she said that the doctors told her that she has "scarring on her uterine wall which is what has been giving me my miscarriages" and that her remaining left tube "is really, really bad and most likely not functional…With one tube not functional and scarring on my uterus I can't have IVF, in vitro, I can't try for a baby. Pretty much, I'm done. Sixteen years of trying, and all I wanted was to be a mom again. And now that dream is gone."

But in her old blog she twice mentioned having had an earlier ectopic pregnancy and several miscarriages.

http://web.archive.org/web/20110414180831/http://raven-official.webs.com:80/apps/blog

See the entries for December 17, 2008 and October 22, 2010.

>>698454
Thanks, that thread was helpful.

>>698454
Cheers anon, thanks for digging that up.

I think it could be true, but we know Gravey has a penchant for bug ass lies and tall tales. Her age alone and diet of slim jims/junk food would probably not help her chances of carrying a child at all. We'll see, she will want sweet, sweet attention eventually.

was it ever determined what little podunk town they were most lately living in? i feel like in one of her last videos i remember her alluding to their having moved again? though as always there's a fair change that was just bs.

>>699818

From the OP

>Just as the thread was reaching its post limit Raven "accidentally" publicly posted her Amazon Baby Registry on her new profile. Her registry lists her due date as October 10th and her location as Jamesville, North Carolina.

The wish list is private but still says Jamesville in the URL. We haven't seen evidence confirming or denying the move. Her last activity interacting outside of SM was adopting out (some of?) the kittens on CL in SC.

>>700311
A huge part of me really really hopes goffgranny is actually up the duff as she'll be 51 when babygoff starts school and the online spergouts about being mistaken as the actual grandma would be epic.

Sadly I'm guessing the only 'birth' in October will be that of a brand new gfm to cover the imaginary cost's of whatever tragedy she decides to go with, just in time for another trashy xmas.

>>700322

She ALWAYS comes back to show off the Christmas horde. Its just a waiting game now.

So does anyone know how to save fb videos?

>>706090
You can use a screen recorder app or do it directly, (this was 1st result on Google, on mobile atm so can't be more help sry!)


>How to Download Facebook Videos

>On your Facebook feed or timeline 'Right Click' on any video then >'Copy Video URL at current time'. >Go to FBDOWN.net. Then paste the URL and Click 'Download'
>Click on "Download normal quality video" or "Download HD video" (if available) to start downloading the video.

>>706090
Can you record it with another device? Or just post a summary of what she is saying?

>>706102
and once you download it, use a free online "webm" converter then upload the resulting webm file here, just like an image

Is this a new video she posted on fb/incoming milk?

>>706815
I think raven screenshotted and posted this herself, why else would anon take so fucking long to figure out and post something so simple

>>706818
Sorry, I had to work. Some of us have lives. The video doesn't say much. She said that they still don't know if or when they will be back but she wanted to thank everyone for saying happy birthday to her

so.. post it?

>>707028
There are more people than just me on her friends list, someone else can do it. There's not enough in the video for me to go to all the trouble

lol okay ravey

Every time gravy’s thread is dormant or about to be locked she either bumps it or creates some fleeting drama. She craves attention, even when she has gone offline for the 9537th time. Please pay no mind and starve the cow unless she gives us milk. I still would love to see those raven posts admin has connected though.

>>707165
You talk about not wanting to give her attention, but that's what all these threads do, regardless. Milk is milk so who cares? Truthfully if any of us really cared about not giving her any attention she wouldn't have a single thread. All these and the people who keep reviving the threads feed into her victim mentality. You should care more about the milk and not whining about giving her attention. She'll either be back to show off her Halloween better-than-everyone-else costume or like another anon said, her Christmas haul. I think unless someone has real milk, we should stop posting and feeding her ego.

New video..there's a baby fussing in it…interesting

Raven just released a new video. No milk other than you can hear a baby cooing at the 1:00 mark. She could have easily edited this out. Betting it’s fake.

is there a fussing baby or did she put youtube baby sounds on? she could have easily edited the baby sound out. she also shouts for josh at the end, he could have watched the kid while she filmed if there really is one

>>719442
Sounds like a doll, tbh. Weird cooing noise. If she was pregnant when she announced the 'leaving the internet forever' shit, wouldn't she only be 6-7 months along now?

>>719446
I wouldn't put it past this dumb bitch to use someone else's baby in the video to prove to the "haters" she was right. Looks like no one would let her take care of their kid.

I never watch her videos, but she's pretty stale. I wonder why she even bothers?

Okay, so… How old would this baby be now? 2 months or so? Gonna make laughing cooing sounds and then be completely silent and in need of no attention for the entire next 10 minutes?

If you turn your volume way up and listen closely there are other baby sounds in the background at the end right before she calls for Josh.

She mentions making another video.. maybe there's more incoming.

>>719442
wait…i thought she would still be pregnant. idk the raven sparks timeline well

>>719463
Far as I can tell going back, there was a joke someone made about a baby at 50 here, and then A DAY LATER there was a baby registery up that starting the sperg'ing. Seems sort of fishy now that I go through and read it all at once.
That said, if that was the case, registery went up 5/22. That means she would have had to have been 5 or 6 months pregnant by then for the baby to be old enough to be making noise (2 month range).

So yeah, a lot of nonsense. I doubt she could have kept the baby THAT close to her sweaty, badly tattooed, sagging chest for 6 WHOLE months before she said anything that got back to here.

>>719446
>>719463
She announced her pregnancy on March 22nd and said she took the test a couple of weeks before that. >>647907

>>719467
My bad. I only checked this thread and I don't think it went back to March. Still, does the math work out here? 10 months from then would be late November, unless she was already a few weeks along .. must have been, cause she would not be able to keep her trap shut about a preemie and milking it being in the NICU and shit.

That math pretty much tears it, don't you think? With the March 22 announcement date and her saying she had the positive test 2 weeks prior, there's no way she could currently have a baby old enough to be making those kind of noises, ya?

>>719468
We just had a baby in our family and she definitely didnt start cooing until around 2 months in, and google says babies dont start making those noises usually until 2 months… that and, if she announced it in March wouldn't the due date be sometime between November-December? Also, how old is granny Gravy now?

I have had four children and I had 4 siblings. I can promise you babies no matter the age don’t just coo and laugh and the most opportune times. They can’t breathe out their nose so a baby close enough to hear sounds you would hear breathing too. You would also hear sounds in between, toys clicking together, bouncing their arms around. They don’t just lay there and make Hollywood sound effect baby noises then stop while mom sprays glitter all over their face. This was something to get the hate groups to go nuts for so she could sit and watch. This is so cringe and fake.

>>719475
>>719471
>>719480
You'd think that she would know how to lie about a pregnancy after having an actual child before.

>>719484
It’s been what, two decades since her first and last successful pregnancy? The old hag is getting rusty.

>>719442
what a joke. raven, you so silly. are we supposed to infer that she's looking down at a baby monitor? or is her hellspawn right next to her in a bassinet straight out of rosemary's baby? those were the most pre-recorded recording of a baby gurgling evar!

I think that we are supposed to buy that her implausibility well behaved and understanding baby is hanging out down there.

>>719442
oh I can't wait to see this all unravel. Does she really think she can fool everyone with fake baby sounds? I wonder if Josh knows she's doing this

Raven is a narc attention whore above all else (I am 100% convinced she has social media no one has found just to scratch that particular itch of hers). If she had an actual baby she'd be showing it to the world just to shove her self-righteousness down the HaYduR'S throats.

>>719524
Not only that we would have gotten endless gross shots of her pregnant belly. After all the super cringey couples photos of her and Josh, Raven would have insisted on 100 different gross photos of Josh cradling her belly to put online.

The fact not one single one ever appeared is proof enough she was faking yet another pregnancy. She really is one trick pony

Damn. How excessively bizarre is all of this?!

>>719442
fake baby sounds, ratty wig, a 3rd chin and she's gained alot of weight.


there was no baby but homegirl has been hitting the slim jims HARD

>>719467
Do you think there could have been a chance she faked the TL of being pregnant to throw lolcow off? I doubt she’s pregnant but who the hell knows lmao

>>719601
Lol. NO.

Raven used to take photos of her fat gunt claiming she was 8 weeks pregnant, before the inevitable “miscarriage.” There’s a better chance of her being on the cover of Vogue than there is of her not plastering SM with tacky pregnancy photos if she actually got knocked up again.

This is so freaking weird. So I watched it with noise canceling headphones and was able to pick up on an air conditioner or something running for the first half. Second half it turned off and you could hear what sounded like dogs walking all over either above her or perhaps trailers are echoey. Not one breath from a baby or sounds other than the 2-3 spots where it coos. However. I did hear one tiny spot where she was trying to smear it on her arm that was either a cat or a baby that sounded almost like a newborn (you know the grunts and stuff they make). But I think more likely a cat. Since I can hear everything in that dump she is hiding behind red curtain I should be able to hear the baby through the entire video. My unprofessional analysis lol is this is really weird even for Gravy. Why fake a video but not ultrasounds or a pee test? I bet she just wants us to watch video a million times trying to figure it out so she can get some extra cash for more slim Jim’s. Since Josh is probably unemployed again he is going along with it for the cash to feed Jaba the Slut.

>>719629
She did fake a pee stick. It was the beginning of the 7th, 8th? fake pregnancy saga. Other than that we got a photo with strategically placed prenatal vitamins from CVS and “accidentally” posting a baby registry.

She’s been really lazy with this fake pregnancy. I mean at least the first one with Josh we got the tragic “miscarriage” via the TGIFs car accident.

Dubbing in vague baby noises in a video is lame. I want her to borrow a methhead’s baby and force Josh to take “family” photos of it with Gravy.

Put some effort in your fake pregnancy bullshit Raven. Drag Josh into this bullshit! If he loves you he will pretend to have a baby with you for the Internet.

Lol, the comments on the video! What a bunch of maroons.

interesting that there's currently 40 comments on this video, and many of them mention the baby sounds.. it does not appear that she has replied to any of these comments.

I dunno, maybe my phone speaker is just shit but it seems kinda beyond her fakery skills… Wouldn't be surprised if she's babysitting for someone and decided it's a great time to make a vid.

Anyone who would let her look after their baby is crazier than she is.

It's not a real baby, real babies don't just make cute coos and gurgles, they make all kinds of noises all the time. Also, if by some chance there was a baby next to her, she should stopped the fucking useless, unnecessary video she was making and PICKED IT UP. All of this is irrelevant since there wasn't one there.

Why is she so into this weird shit about pregnancy, anyhow? She even went so far as to get a reborn, back in the day. Is it just the initial hormone rush?

Not that there is any chance that she was pregnant, but if she was, it looks like she got a couple of new piercings since she said "goodbye forever again". The angel bites and the second set of snake bites, and they certainly dont look brand spanking new. Anyone who has had serial miscarriages would do anything to avoid any chance of having another, and piercings are strongly discouraged due to the chance of infection.

Hopefully she named the baby Wellness Check, it's got such a ring to it. j/k!

Seriously though, how was any of that supposed to be taking place in her current, miniature hovel? She's got the Party City sequined muumuu stretched out behind her, and the baby is…what? Placed just out of camera range? Or she's interacting like that with the baby monitor? Either way her acting skills are subpar and she needs to step up her game. It's one of her most nakedly obvious attention grabs, I'll give her that.

>>719442
She turned off the comments. Kek

gee whiz, why turn off the comments rather than thanking her avid fans for the well-wishes upon her sweet bundle of joy?!

Anyone notice that someone brought her up on the altcow thread and then she just pops up out of the blue?

>>719732

Of course she did, I mean that's every proud geriatric mom's response to well wishers! Deny deny deny!! We've all been there, where we've accidentally recorded and uploaded to youtube our days old baybeee's contented coo-ing and cutesy babbles instead of accidentally recording/uploading their plaintive sheep bleatings that penetrate our very sleep deprived and utterly shellshocked souls whilst wearing a full face of the very best goff makeups and donning a wig that has no trace of baby vomit in/on it.

If this bitchcunthellion decides to go the sids route for the redneckxmas jollies I will personally hunt her down and feed her her own fucking ovaries.

If there is an actual irl baby then it's as fucked as the poor bastard animals who fallen foul of gravies 'love'.

The only thing I'll give her credit for is putting in effort with the new wig and the attempt to hide her plastic garbage in the background with a sequin blanket. Don't believe for a second the bitch has spawn.

The face paint she's sporting in this video all by itself is enough to tell the world that she's not the mother if a newborn.

Self promotion lul

Her with full war paint make-up, glitter on the face and robot acne everywhere makes her pretending to have a new baby extra absurd.

Even basic lipstick and foundation is out of the question when caring for a newborn. Nevermind having the time to do any entire video about glitter makeup.

It’s more than obvious she has one of these.

>>720977
probably. why the fuck do they even make these creepy things?

I'm sure that Stay Golden cosmetics is incredibly grateful for her review, given that there are a multitude of far better produced and detailed review vids for this particular product on YT.

>>720982
I get it to a certain extent. Losing a child in womb is difficult on the psyche for most, add an already mentally ill person to the mix and it triples.
It’s a healing tool (should be) but to actually try to convince people it’s real is pretty insane.

>>720977
Yeah she has one of these, its named Loreli or something like that. She got it after one of the 'miscarriages' she had when she was with Logan. I don't think the one she has from before makes noise, but it might, who TF knows

>>721009
I don’t think these dolls have much to do with women who had miscarriages. It’s pretty weird and creepy to get a realistic doll to play with after a miscarriage anyway. Mostly just strange older women who like to play with dolls buy the things - so I guess Raven qualifies for that demographic

Jesus, what a full-on fucking loony bird this dame is! To fake a fucking pregnancy AND persist with playacting like she's actually got a baby, to try to get one over with a bunch of online randos?!

This is like the very definition of a person who dearly needs to get a real life.

>>719442
Let's say by the off chance we're in a parallel universe where her little charade was real, and let's say that she is a freak of nature and only has a four month gestation period making the "baby" a whole lot older than it is. Since she didn't lean over far at all to tend to this "baby", wouldn't the cooing be much louder? In the video it sounds like it's coming from another room, and it's not like babies are aware of volume control when it comes to their voices.

I think ravens had her baby her recent YouTube video I'm sure I could hear a baby crying in the background at the end(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

>>721830
That's very compelling evidence for a real baby. Thankyou, Sammie.

I knew she couldn't keep away from social media lol her narcissistic self won't allow it
She's faked miscarriages before I wouldn't put it past her faking the birth of a kid
Anyway if it is really I really hope CPS catch up with them because they're unfit parents

>>721834
Sammie, leave the name field blank and type “sage” in the email field. https://lolcow.farm/info

Anyway, did anyone here manage to stay on her Facebook friends list?

She just posted two more new vids.

https://youtu.be/50uxlWnRXaI

No baby seat in the back? She went with her one and only TRUE FRIEND so who babysat? Do most new mothers go to metal shows?

who the fuck asks their partners PERMISSION to get a tatto? u a grown ass woman

Never even mind mythical baby for whom they don't even have a car seat for.. who in the hell looks after their houseful of pets if they're gone for two days and a night? Cats would be fine on their own for that long, but dogs need to go outside..

Watch entire video. Miracle neighbor to the rescue, cared for baby and pets.

Lol!
Caveman: "did you say babysat?"
Gravy: "yeah I said babysat, teehee."
I don't think that Caveman has a clue as to her recent babyscam tales.

Pics incoming from her fb

>>722171
My mouth is literally always open

>>722158
embedded

>We traveled quite far to catch their show in Greenville, Sc (because we no longer live in the area)
doubt.jpg

>>722174
She also got a new tattoo

She's got random band guy autographs tattooed on her.. Josh's name tattooed on her.. does she have a Dorian tattoo anywhere? Or a brand new miracle love baby tattoo?

>>722170
Does anybody know what band this is? I can’t seem to find them anywhere. Tia

>>722182

Psyclon Nine. A creative play of words and apparent homage to Zyklon B, the gas the Nazis used to murder millions of people.

Pretty gross.

Tinfoil- Imagine if one of the band members is like an ex friend or a friend of a friend or some shit and she's banging him hence the awful tattoo and making a big deal about it. She talks to randoms online all the time and has 'online friends'
They don't sound super famous at all and Gravey is basically a catfish with heavy goth makeup, plus alternative weirdo scenes always fuck in each other's social circles.

Josh looks like the biggest normie in his halloween themed wish hoodie that Gravey bought him. He really looks out of place, whereas she probably fits in with all the chunky hideous goth chicks there.
The black wig with the clip on pigtails is an improvement for her, but it's still ratty as fuck.
It looks better than her other wish wigs because it's black and the pigtails make it poofier, and distract from her moon face.
If she loses some weight and sticks to black wigs, she'll look a billion times better, all she needs to fix is the bulldog jowls and she can bag herself husband number 4.

>>722170
She legit whoops herself into a different person.
Like she doesn't fuck with the body as much as Vicky Shingles does, because you can still see flab, but her face looks way different in the face. Like from that old video where she looks like an elderly chinese grandma and then into this dollar store Amy Lee. I suspect she doesn't edit the body as much because she doesn't know how to, but damn her photos be looking like one of those over photoshopped kid's pageant pictures.

I also think the fact she did wings improved her look as well because she typically has that panda eye smudge shit and this lifted her droopy eyes up.

As a mother of a rainbow baby after huge losses (multiple miscarriages and a stillborn) I can assure you, REAL loss moms are soooo over protective of their newborns. It's really really hard to be a new mom after multiple losses. So much mental health to work through. Some worse than others but I know for a fact none that I have ever been around would have been totally fine with leaving their new baby with a "neighbor" for 2 days to go to a concert. No way. When you finally have a baby in your arms you never want to let it go. The fact that she was leaving her baby for the first time for multiple days (or who knows maybe its not the first and she does this a lot) it would be a focus for her and it would be on her mind. But a fake baby is way easier to leave behind than a real one which is what we are seeing here. Disclaimer I haven't actually watched the new videos yet other than a few clips. I'm going off of the information posted here.

>>721832
Who is Sammie?

>>722179
Her body is basically a clusterfuck of awful tattoos. She's a walking billboard of trash at this point, what's another name to add to the hoard of random squiggles and logos on her skin?

>>722201
I don't think she actually has a baby either but even if she was, this wouldn't be her rainbow baby anyway, because she already had Dorian. She has a son already.
She gets salty because she didn't get to 'raise' him because her mother took over or whatever, but she's really just complaining that she didn't get to do the 'fun stuff' like picking out baby clothes and have people fuss over you at a baby shower. She cares so much that she didn't get attention from having Dorian as she did about herself.
You can tell from the way she talks about it. In reality, she was probably lazy as fuck and went out hooking up so her mother probably had to raise Dorian anyway.

>>722175
This whole video is a hoot.
Even though she supposedly had a great time, she still has a way of making everything negative or awkward.

She mentions that she got the Nero guy's tattoo but humblebrags the whole time about how she asked Josh first because it's another man's name on her body. She says how it's just so cool how Josh isn't jealous. Josh seems to be content with this at first, but then she continues rabbiting on about it like it's a big deal and he looks visibly annoyed, almost like he's thinking she's cucking him or something and that she really needs to shut the fuck up.

She also says that she doesn't care what haters think like constantly but in this video she has to put a caption edited in there over the footage of Josh to explain why he looks miserable.

Also in between acting stoked about the band, she manages to put in several digs about her 'friend who betrayed her' like anyone cares or even knows who she's referring to.
She compares her neighbour who is dog sitting to this supposed backstabber as if she's trying to make this person jealous or something, but it just comes off as jarring and petty.

Just when you think all the bitching is over because she happily talking about the venue, she proceeds to act like a completely entitled hipster and goes on about how she saw reaaaally alternative people there and how she felt at home because they weren't posers like she normally sees. You see she's so different and there's totally no goth chicks around for miles and she's soo alternative.
This whole segment about the alternative scene made me kek because this Cyclops nine or whatever the fuck they are called are probably the most goffick music she's listened to. This is the same bitch that had Shania Twain's 'still the one' in her Logan marriage video. She's admitted in the past she doesn't really dig rock or metal and likes oldies shit, yet here she is acting like she's queen of the goffs.

At first I was also going to point out that of course Josh is miserable because he has to be the designated driver everywhere while Craven sits in the passenger seat and films with her fat little goblin hands like a spoilt kid and gets to drink while he babysits her, but she reveals later that they stayed at a motel because they were tired and drank too much. Either way, it's obvious that he has to be the designated driver for everything.
It's clear too that he does gets tired of it because in the carowinds video he looks annoyed and mutters a reply back when she mentions him doing a lot of driving, and in this video she says she doesn't feel comfortable making him drive back.
I also recall her making him drive when they went to that shitty Halloween event where she sperged over not winning the competition and being able to enter.

Josh is a dumbass cuck.
Oh yeah and while she's going on about the alternative cringe stuff, she almost mocks Josh for looking out of place and bitches that he barely had his hair down. She tries to make it come off playful, but she seems to really annoy him about how she prefers him to wear his hair down. He's rolled his eyes about it in previous videos as well because she mentions it. If he didn't have long hair, I'm starting to wonder what else she likes about him, except the fact he's a doormat.

Gag

>>722356

"Yeh guys totes not back online but here's a shitload of pics and 4 new vids. But yeh totes not back online."

>>722174

'Sup, Frodo?
Could this guy be any more of a dork?

>>722175
>mOsT aLtErNaTiVe PeRsOn ThErE
Imagine caring about this shit at 40+

>>722426
Yeah she supposedly has the perfect husband and a baby and all these animals and sooo much going on in her life with no time to go online, but she heads out to one show and the highlight was that she was the 'most alternative one there'.
What a loser.

Also what happened to her agreeing with that guy that people give her weird stares wherever she goes?
The amount of times that this hag used to complain about New Zealand being too conservative and how America is sooo much better and everywhere she goes, everyone takes photos with her because she looks sooo cool in America.
Which is it Raven? Are you celebrated for being a hawt milf goth, or are you shunned by society for looking different?
Funny how the story changes when it comes to her being able to get a job.

Also did anyone notice how she went on about Josh getting more tattoos and how he's more goth inside than she is? And the dumb hick guffaws and nods his head agreeing.
She's trying to make him into the perfect goff boyfriend bit by bit.
First she buys him all these hideous horror themed t-shirts and wish hoodies, then she rabbits on about his hair being down and now she's egging him on to get more tattoos to fulfill her fantasy.
She can never just be happy with a guy, every thing has to do with how they look.
She went off Logan quicksmart when he started to dress less alternative. Waiting for future videos where her pet hick is covered in eyeliner and terribly drawn skulls up his arm.