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>>2023381Rule of life:
If a man would get off to it, he would do it (with enough resources). So this theory is very probable.
No. 2023516
>>2023381Nothing schizo about it, men totally would, I agree with
>>2023412And completely believe it.
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Chester Bennington is the child of John Podesta and his brother Brian is the son of Tony Podesta.
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>>2023381While I don't doubt that this happens, the biggest source of children for the elites is the care system. I don't think they would bother investing in breeding programs when they can just take what they want from dysfunctional families and children's homes.
https://thehighcourt.co/missing-children-statistics/>In 2019, 421,394 children in the US were reported missing.>In the EU, the reported number of missing children every year is 250,000.>An estimated 112,835 children are reported missing in the United Kingdom every year.More statistics for the US
https://www.missingkids.org/ourwork/impact No. 2024427
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>>2024412SHUT THE FUCK UP DO YOU EVER SHUT THE FUCK UP
(infighting) No. 2024455
>>2024428I think it's all of these things. The pesticides in our food and plastic exposure is exacerbating the developmental stunting effects from technology. I figure that's why we still have some well-adjusted normies despite all of us getting
toxic exposure. But blaming it on iPads is a way of putting all responsibility on the consumer. They are to blame for their children's illness. But blaming
toxic exposure puts the blame back on industry where it belongs, and tptb don't like it when we blame them instead of each other.
No. 2024487
>>2024126People just put unrealistic standards on parents nowadays, which just creates a doomer mindset so a lot of parent just end up giving up and not giving a shit since you know you'll never do anything right so why even try?
Also not sure if this is happening in other areas but medical staff also patronizes parents for letting their kids be kids, you can barely bring your kid in for a scraped knee here without a CPS call, so it makes sense this just bred a generation of tablet babies and parents who are too afraid to let their kids play outside
No. 2024514
>>2024412No bc I have a theory the idea of blaming women for everything slowly funneled into worse and worse issues
First if anything went wrong it was all the moms fault, this allowed moids to essentially act however they want with zero social consequences
Now the same moids go around acting amuck and the finger is blamed at women, if they're porn addicts it's women's fault, if they're too lazy to work it's women's fault, if they're unhealthy it's women's fault, it's pretty rare to see moids get help accountable for their actions
No. 2024640
>>2024581This. Inb4
>well i've done questionable shit on the internet, why don't they reprimand me then hurr durr?Because they know you have no capacity to significantly harm others. The truth is that they have all this surveying technology and don't do shit about criminals (such as pedophiles) because they don't give a fuck
No. 2024713
>>2024581>We are way past 1984Yeah it's 2024? I don't get what you meant by this unless they've started altering the calendars and time so that we think it's 2024 and not another year. But the 80s were like 40 years ago.
>>2024659If you open up the tinfoil thread and type something snarky like "meds," before you hit post just reflect about which thread you're posting that snide remark in and ask yourself whether it's necessary to waste a valuable post (we only have 1200 in a thread) with your boring insult.
No. 2024808
>>2024791It's not just foods that cause earlier puberty, there are a bunch of environmental pollutants not only in food but in water, air, packaging, clothes, some vaccines and medications, etc. that can all cause developmental issues to the brain. It was suppressed after the Wakefield autism vaccines debacle but there were quite a few research studies finding autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders correlated with aluminum and other metal concentrations in the brain, other research has shown glyphosate (a common pesticide) seems to also correlate to developmental disorders, and stuff like that isn't causing earlier puberty it's causing actual brain/cognitive damage. Also you don't only get heavy metals and pesticides in your food. Autism keeps increasing by factors of ten each decade, if it continues to get more common a majority of male children will be autistic in the next couple decades which is even more concerning than kids hitting puberty early.
I agree that the cognitive damage from screens is just as bad but I think it is in a way a 'coverup' for physical issues happening in development too, if you can get developmentally normal kids hooked on screen time then they act almost as retarded as the kids with physical brain damage and people just blame it all on parenting. The pandemic zoom schooling was another way to developmentally stunt all children so they're all on an equally low level of cognition (with some exceptions of course) and standards for educational achievement and even just basic cognitive skills are dropping rapidly year over year. There's already been suicide spikes for pre-pubertal/pubertal children we don't even need to wait for them to grow up to see that.
Also SSRIs and other psych drugs are mostly a scam and giving them to neurologically undeveloped children is harming their brains permanently too.
No. 2024841
>>2024808Children are a mess right now. It's horrible to see. Screens and
abusive fathers are destroying their psychological development and everything being made out of plastic and other dangerous substances is destroying their physical health. Women having children with older men is not helping too. I really hate how questioning any of that is seen as extremist and mothers who try their best are called crazy when it has been proven again and again that screens are dangerous to young children and extremely harmful substances are found everywhere, female reproductive system and placenta included. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a way of making us dying younger. Cancers are also on the rise with younger people and they have absolutely no idea why this is happening.
No. 2024866
>>2024841I used to think homeschool parents were insane but now I understand parents who want to homeschool more and more, not the religious nutjobs who think it's dangerous for their kids to interact with normie children but specifically because of how little control you have when your child goes to daycare/school over what they're being exposed to. You have little control over what they eat, kids in schools are more and more violent and 'zero tolerance' policies mean the
victims also get punished, kids in schools are constantly on screens now too and sharing porn and shit with each other in class, teachers are exposing kids to gender bullshit from early ages or teaching them 'whole word recognition' that makes them illiterate, etc. I sympathize more and more with parents that just want to control their child's environment at least in elementary school/earlier ages. I'm not planning on having kids but if I had them I would feel so fucked up about this because I liked going to public school personally and wouldn't want to deny my child a normal socialization but the socialization kids are getting in schools now is far from normal and the things schools teach are actively stunting cognitive development.
No. 2024900
>>2024841What about
abusive mothers or is it not “feminist” enough to bring up that many mothers absolutely hate and abuse their own daughters are we just going to forget about this? Why do we try to ignore that women are also the propagators of misogyny on other women. Holy shit it’s like you /2X/fags forgot you have a board to go and put your bitter ass takes in. Every thread doesn’t have to have the same fucking discussion like we get it blahbalh fathers bad we know, but so are a lot of mothers out here
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>>2024900NTAYRT but I agree
abusive mothers are also a problem, I feel like people in certain cultures/communities see more absentee or
abusive/violent fatherhood than they see motherhood though so that's what they think of first.
No. 2025242
>>2025220Functional illiteracy is another big problem with US citizens and its not just confined to Gen Z. Various sources (this one is an example:
https://www.apmresearchlab.org/10x-adult-literacy ) estimate that 50-55% of Americans between ages 16 and 75 read below a sixth-grade level. A lot of richer politicians will abuse this fact through their policies and speeches.
>>2025235I think this can be contributed to anyone born after post-modernity as the prevalent theory for most disciplines took off in the mid-90s.
No. 2025366
>>2025242>>2025235>>2025264I think the issue is the way reading was taught in schools. Schools stopped teaching phonetically and started teaching a strange method called "three queuing" I read a good article about it recently, here it is:
https://www.apmreports.org/episode/2019/08/22/whats-wrong-how-schools-teach-readingI will admit I'm a zoomer, but my school never taught this method of reading, we always used phonics. Essentially with three-queuing, a child is taught to guess what the word is based on the first letter it starts with and then use 'contextual clues' to guess. They are also taught to guess based on pictures that are next to the text. Finally, the third method is literally to skip the unknown word. There isn't even a 'save for later' option for the skip, children are literally encouraged to skip words they don't know and just ignore them. Or to guess, and in the article the creator of the three-queuing method even says he doesn't care if the guess is incorrect so long as it's vaguely similar.
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>>2025366I'm one of the AYRT and that's what I already said in a post above, they stopped teaching phonics and taught some common core 'whole word recognition' shit which makes most children illiterate. I actually never learned phonics and English is my second language anyway but I learned it before I started school and could already read well mostly learned through silent reading, but kids like me are an exception. They need to stop fucking around with age-old literacy and arithmetic teaching methods because they're making kids illiterate and innumerate.
>>2025371>>2025382Nonas can you give examples I'm so curious what this is referring to
No. 2025450
>>2024492Are the Hillary and Podesta emails legit? Why does James Alefantis have a connection to NXIVM? Why was it discovered in previous threads that voodoo doughnuts and other shady hipster places were fronts for child sex trafficking? What the fuck is up with the creepy panda god video produced by Alefantis or one of his friends where a bunch of shady hipsters gather for some ritual in the middle of nowhere while wearing the eye of Horus on their jackets? What’s with the creepy instagram pics featuring children with gay innuendo captions? So many kids missing in DC?
There’s just too many coincidences for this to be not true, I’d love to hear from you, nonna.
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The cia definitely knows who I am and have probably been gangstalking me since birth. I am a regular citizen and don’t stick out but I had a very strange interaction with a politician on their IG live when I was younger and used to troll people online but there’s no way you would be able to know I was young because of the anonymity and I didn’t speak like a regular teenager. The politician specifically stated my comment out of the thousands of people in the IG live and knew I was a young kid and I always remembered that until this day. I am very convinced these politicans have truth-telling software or anonymity removal software not accessible to the public yet wher they are able to know your age, name, location, education, family, everything about you. They love to attach themselves to people with absolutely nothing going on for them just to stalk and harass them to wield their power as an agency, they do this with many people. The politician used to be in the military which tells me even more they are involved with those kind of high-tech psyops, he’s a typical neocon scrote that’s irrelevant but back then he was in the news for some time. I’ve been placed in this shitty place because they also know how to manipulate your reincarnation placement now. CERN is not just for controlling the weather and environment it’s making new discovery on opening astral portals and how you get here, they can control your birth and which class they place you into.
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>>2025712Boomers also think instagram is used mostly by kids. But I don't dismiss the possibility that they're watching you. I know they keep a close eye on certain people they find potentially
problematic.
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>>2025714No I just made fun of his ugly eyepatch because he got blown up by a middle easterner during his time in the military lol
>>2025717They know how to create monitoring spirits. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are monitoring all of us
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>>2025695Yay moon landing nonna!
Whenever I bring it up to normies, I seriously feel like my brain's about to pop. "Well people were harassing the parents and that's sad." Well sure, ok, they shouldn't have done that. I mean it's not like I can condone such nasty behavior. But did Alex Jones do it? No? Ok, so why ought he pay for it? Because he said what incited this? Except it didn't even originate with him? I remember sandy hook stuff way before he touched it.
Tbh AJ has always had the suspicions of being a plant so I haven't really bothered with him. I kinda wonder if the whole lawsuit is made up just to force him into a debt to control him or something.
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>>2024866I think that homeschooling should only be allowed for parents that have a degree and a diploma in teaching. Unfortunately most homeschool parents are like the one in picrel, it's like the blind leading the blind when the parent is so unprepared and undereducated themselves. I think the declining quality of schooling is somewhat a result of a conspiracy in itself. TPTB want an undereducated and easily malleable underclass for their own selfish goals.
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>>2026237you're an anglo, aren't you?
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>>2026237"At the level of a 5 or 6 year old" is a bit of an exaggeration
nonny kek
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>>2024808>Autism keeps increasing by factors of ten each decadeI think this is more due to inefficient psychiatrists and more lax rules re: diagnosis. Ever since the DSM-V dropped and ASP was re-evaluated and the diagnostic criteria changed, as well as being merged with Asperger's, it seems like the rate for Autism is jumping up. I think this could be explained by the fact that what was once two separate diagnoses before 90's and 00's is now just one diagnosis post 2013, so the numbers are inflated. Besides that, I think ASD has been over-diagnosed post 2015 due to the rise of millennial parents being addicted to social media that tells them everything and anything wrong with their child is ASD. Ill-trained psychiatrists and money-hungry counselors will jump on the parents' suspicion to milk them of their money in bogus therapeutic practices, or get them addicted to SSRIs. I think a much realer threat is the under-diagnosis of FASD, (fetal-alcohol syndrome). Experts claim it's one of the most under-diagnosed disorders even though they believe 1/20 school-children suffer from it. FASD has a lot of the same diagnostic criteria as other disorders like ASD, ODD, dyslexia, mild mental retardation, etc., but unlike those disorders FASD also carries a stigma attached to the mother in particular. Most people still believe that you need to be a drunk to have a baby with FASD, but newer research suggests that even just one glass of alcohol while pregnant is enough to
trigger FASD in the infant. I think a lot of medical professionals don't want to talk about FASD out of fear of offending the mother as well as because it would hurt alcohol company sales.
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>>2026795"Unschool" is just a term these homeschool nutjobs made up, it means basically letting the child decide what it wants to learn. It's supposed to be a more "learner-driven" approach to education, but what it ends up being is a lazy way for parents to make their kids retarded. If a child is only interested in TV, they will be taught nothing besides things to do with TV. If a child is never interested in books, they'll never be taught about books. At it's root, the unschool phenomenon is very anti-intellectual because it's main principle is that only subjects the learner is interested in are worth being taught to the learner, rather than all subjects being equal in importance.
>Doesn't USA have yearly checks on home school parents?Yes, but it's the parents that do those checks. So if a child can't read, the parent can just lie about that.
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>>2026792I wish it was for those reasons nona but it's not high-functioning autism only that's increasing by that much, it's also low-functioning autism and that isn't because of 'lax' rules of diagnosis. We are talking about nonverbal drooling retards who can't eat by themselves or wipe their own asses. All forms of autism both low, medium and high functioning are increasing at a similar rate so diagnostic criteria can't be the culprit. And the studies I saw included Asperger's diagnoses from before it was merged into ASD so that can't be the reason.
Also have you looked around yourself at different generations of people you know? You don't even need to look at official diagnoses to see that tons and tons of kids are autistic now, compared to 10,20,30, etc years ago there are more visibly autistic people each generation.
I think people only believe the 'more diagnoses because hovering millennial parents' thing because they think only of high functioning autism but if you work in the community home/care industry or something like that you see that the levels of truly mentally retarded children with autism are massively increasing too.
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>>2025946AYRT and I agree this type of parents should not be homeschooling, but in most other countries that aren't the US your average adult who graduated highschool knows enough to teach an elementary schooler basic math, reading, writing, etc. I went to school in one of the 'best' zones for education in the world and my parents were still smarter and better at teaching me things than my borderline-retarded elementary and middle school teachers; I only started getting better teachers once I reached high school and a couple in middle school. Because honestly education 'degrees' that qualify you to teach elementary here just teach you 'pedagogy' rather than basics of these topics which you're assumed to know already, and 'pedagogy' these days is all this anti-phonics shit, 'alternative' math, gender bullshit and whatever.
I think there should be more oversight over homeschool parents than there is in the US (and to my knowledge there is more here and in most other countries that aren't the US) and for example giving regular standardized tests to the kids might be one way to make sure they're not falling behind, but your average high school educated adult from a country that has adequate education should be able to teach reading, writing and math to a 4th grader after just reading a couple textbooks.
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>>2027206I'm not American but the number of times I've said something general on lolcow and someone jumps to 'Americans like you bla bla bla' is staggering. It always seems like Americans themselves who are upset their country sucks. Anyway, I'm not 'angsty' and I just gave a whole bunch of other potential reasons why powerful people might want to cover up the harm of environmental pollutants. The fact that there has been a rise in these environmental pollutants is not remotely controversial or conspiratorial, so the reason is why are they so on the rise?
And notably they're far less restricted in America, which seems to have more retards than a lot of other places. There's all kinds of reasons why powerful people might want a country to be 'on the hook for' its retards, for example they're anti-sovereignty, they're Malthusians, they want to create more jobs in the healthcare/pharma industries and funnel more money through those industries, etc. A lot of 'retarded' Autistic people actually make decent employees if they're high functioning enough so no one is really on the hook for them, and the low-functioning ones might just be considered an adequate price to pay for that. You don't have to fish one possible explanation out of the 5+ I offered and act offended that anyone would ever think of such a thing, but if you're gonna do that it would be more productive to give a plausible reason that isn't one of the ones I listed. We do know for sure that there is no great attempt being made by 'the elites' to reduce these pollutants.
No. 2027212
>>2027208Yeah the seed oil craze is definitely legit but doesn't even belong on the tinfoil thread, seed oils are definitely
toxic (especially when cooked) and not good to eat but there's no big conspiracy about why they're used so much, they're just really a lot cheaper.
No. 2027268
>>2025366>guess based on pictures>skip words they don't knowi'm a late millennial (1995) and i remember them starting this bullshit when i was a little girl. our teachers were all super young and fresh out of college so they didn't know any better. of course, a lot of the kids who weren't reading outside of class struggled with even very simple sentences because of this and they eventually had to stop because people were still reading and talking like they were four years old in 5th grade. i was a bookworm growing up so i read and wrote very well for my age. but
because i was the only minority in the class and i wasn't shooting hoops in the basketball court or running around the schoolyard in 10 seconds, it never counted and it was treated like a flaw instead of an asset. my teachers used to snatch my books from me and hide them and i was told constantly that i "read too much" lol.
>>2025523i still don't know how i feel about pizzagate. if we hadn't had pizzagate, there would be no q-anon. donald trump likely wouldn't have been elected president either. looking back it all seemed so very cleverly coordinated to shift american culture into a certain direction. suddenly every conspiracy got tied back to the exploitation of children when before there was more variety in the conspiracy endgame. i do think all the people involved in it were aware of what was going on and agreed to let it happen because they had a reason to do so. to me pizzagate, gamergate, q-anon are all various forms of social engineering by tptb to shift the consciousness of gullible people.
No. 2027278
>>2027221That's not a sign of autism, that's a sign of being social animals that also have reward pathways attuned to certain kinds of social signals the internet mobile machines will be good at. It's unsurprising that normal people would choose to go talk to other people on the internet when they're alone/bored rather than, idk, staring at a wall.
>>2027268Teachers snatching books from you because you were reading too much is insane nona, what country was this? I'm just a few years older than you but teachers tended to 'love' bookworms because they were usually less behaviourally
problematic.
I don't think pizzagate had much to do with Trump being elected, the vast overwhelming majority of people who elected him were not qanoners. The real reason he was elected was people were sick of their economic conditions and neoliberalism and he was a populist who paid lip service to working class people and flyover states. It's the same reason Bernie Sanders was hugely popular around the same time. Trump may well have lost if Sanders won the primary.
No. 2027524
>>2026795The US sometimes has yearly checks on homeschool students. Depends on the state you live in. There are situations where they do yearly checks at the beginning and then they never check again. Some places they don’t even check on the kids at all, you can decide to homeschool whenever you want and it’s legal and unregulated. Over a certain age they don’t check at all some places.
As an example of how lax it is: my father literally went to jail for child abuse and molestation and two years after he was released (my mom didn’t leave him so he came right back) my parents pulled us out of school and they were allowed to homeschool us after only one visit from the state and a requirement to send in a written curriculum for two years. After that they never checked on us in any way. My parents actually made my 13 year old sister write the curriculum because they were too lazy to even do that. America is a joke and being a child is like being a dog as far as your rights to education and safety.
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>>2027484AYRT and actually aside from the book thing and the race thing a lot of this sounds similar to my school experience, possibly because I was 'gifted' and an immigrant (not even noticeably ESL but my parents were) and also got bored easily. when my mom tried to get me tested for gifted school because my teachers were being so weird and treating me like a dumbass the school principal got involved and recommended her some special school for retarded kids instead and was like 'you don't understand, the gifted program is for SMART children.' They would claim I couldn't read or spell because I would zone out and get bored and shit when they tried to get me to spell 'mom' in class when I was already reading novels etc. so I actually relate to a lot of what you're saying, having a slightly 'weird' personality and being some kind of minority does get you treated really weirdly by teachers. This is actually why I said upthread that even in my 'good' school system I ended up thinking most elementary/middle school teachers were either retarded or narcs, they had absolutely no ability to actually educate any child that was abnormal in any way. Also why I somewhat 'get' people wanting to homeschool, because honestly for many years I learned more from my parents after school than I ever learned in school.
Ripping books out of your hands directly is just several levels more bizarre than that to me though like with how hard it is to get kids to read at all and with how many kids are straight up illiterate you'd think they would be thrilled one of their students is voluntarily reading books. Really shows that the education system is not and has not been about 'educating' children for quite a while.
No. 2027951
>>2027936Ukraine war was bubbling between Russia and Iran and Russia and Iran have been having tension with Israel for decades it's just all cumulative. I feel like shit has been the same since the cold war ended there's been constant tension and espionage then the Syrian conflict in 2011 snowballed into everything we currently see. Imo.
In regards to the terror attack on Israel I've yet to see any commentary on how they were able to break through the militarised border and rampage for hours before Israel sent anyone in. Are IDF soldiers not suppose to be on duty at the border or in the area like how do they have such an advanced military and let that happen. Everything points to it was allowed to unfold
No. 2027964
>>2027951Sorry samefagging and I forgot to respond to this but regarding the border thing I saw interviews with people who used to work with Israeli military intelligence who swear up and down their alarms would get
triggered by like a cat or something crossing the border, it's really hard for me to believe Israeli intelligence didn't know the border had been breached. That doesn't excuse the terrorism at all but a lot of this feels orchestrated.
No. 2027995
>>2027990One possible explanation is Chinese interference to destabilize the Western left. There was post in the last thread about it
>>2011246>>2027993No, Mossad/Israel is not a part of the Five Eyes, that’s only the Anglosphere
No. 2028007
>>2028002Ayrt, to be fair it’s
possible the US did know, but I just don’t see how that would benefit the current administration at all. Biden has lost a good chunk of his constituency for not taking a stronger stance against Israel, but he has (weakly) been pushing for a ceasefire this entire time. I just think it’s more likely only Bibi/his higher ups knew
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>>2028055That age bracket for the older ages my drug dealer falls into. Disillusioned 40 something year old man. He knew criminality and has family members in known gangs to my area. He could tell you who locally had a hit on them and gossip like that and i think that small time criminal connection made him think he was seasoned in global politics and an authority on the matter. He didn't believe in evolution and was staunchly racist and I would hate meeting him in public because he would loudly remark on any
POC that came into view. He's very online and has catfish accounts on fb cause he keeps getting banned for posting nazi rhetoric before I stopped needing to meet him he would should me how the Ukrainians are actually nazis and don't I think nazis are bad so the Ukrainians are bad yet he's a racist.
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Here's how mainstream US news was reporting it, making it seem like an 'accident' but it obviously wasn't the house speaker who invited him or even wrote the speech. A number of people pointed out that in video of the House Speaker's speech he obviously paused and raised an eyebrow at what he was reading, so it wasn't him that wrote the introduction.
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Regarding the deputy PM and her Nazi grandfather (1/3)
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Btw this article is from after her support for the Ukraine/Russia war but articles about this have been circulating for years beforehand as well as a bunch of photos of her at parades with WWII era flags, etc. I don't want to completely spam the thread because this is just the tip of the iceberg. Regarding the Nazi officer Hunka who got the standing ovation, him and his family also had major scholarships in their name at multiple Canadian universities and I think a monument of some sort, which Freeland and the House Speaker both knew about (the Speaker of the House was in Hunka's riding) but they never even got investigated until after this made it to alternative news. It only got posted in 'mainstream' news after alternative news picked it up and it made its way to US news sources, before that no one even apologized.
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>>2028096Bonus article from 1989 about her totally-not-spy activities in Russia when she was 20 years old (I used to have the actual photo of multiple newspaper articles about this but I can't find any of them right now):
https://coat.ncf.ca/research/Chomiak-Freeland/freeland_1989_articles.htm No. 2028109
>>2028080That sounds like a type of person I definitely know of but it's not really the people I'm talking about, I'm talking about mainstream academic/educated middle class normies who called themselves 'leftists' and 'antiracists' until about 1 year ago who are now sperging on facebook about how much they hate 'zionists' aka any person who thinks Israel should probably maybe exist. All of them were staunchly anti-antisemite prior to this, one of them even stopped talking to me and called me a Nazi (even though my relatives were literally holocaust
victims) because I used the term 'financial elites' once.
No. 2028135
>>2028119I don't think the establishment of the Israeli state was well-conceived but to begin with it was land that did not belong to Muslim Palestinians, it was occupied by Samaritan Christians, Palestinian Muslims and a whole bunch of Semitic (mostly Orthodox) Jews. Kicking the non-Jewish ethnic minorities off their land was fucked up but also it wasn't 'the Israeli government' or even arguably Ashkenazi Jews who did that, it was done by mostly what are currently Nato countries and Russia as some weird imperialist solution to WWII and post-WWII ethnic tensions in Europe. Now the state has existed for so long, think what you want about the Israeli government (I have a generally low opinion for various reasons, including that they targeted my ethnic group for no apparent reason) it still seems overly simplistic to look at a bunch of people who were born and raised on some piece of land and decide they should be exterminated because the land was 'originally' someone else's. Ironically most of these same people were Pro-Ukraine even though Ukraine was a similar 'new' country created by the same people in a postwar division and was never really a country before then either. Ukraine had also colonized, genocided and kicked out a bunch of people who were there for centuries before but I didn't see any of these same leftists expressing sentiments about how Ukraine is an 'illegitimate imperialist country' or even any sympathetic sentiment for the residents of the Donbas who were being ethnically suppressed, shelled and bombed for the last decade just because they were an ethnic minority that used to occupy that land freely. That's a tangent anyway but just to sum up my opinion the whole mainstream sentiment on this issue lacks consistency/coherence.
The specific reason I posted this in the tinfoil thread wasn't to sperg about who 'deserves' Israeli/Palestinian lands though, it was just to point out that a bunch of Western governments seemed to be fomenting specifically neo-nazi/antisemitic sentiment for years leading up to this specific war and both the most recent 'big wars' seem to have specifically served that cause. It might just be a coincidence but it's weird to me that first we made Nazis acceptable again and turned former 'commie' leftists against the USSR/Soviets/Russia with the Russo-Ukrainian conflict, then we made antisemitism/anti 'Zionist' sentiment acceptable again with the Israel/Palestine conflict. I know what you and other posters are saying about how there was always some latent antisemitism in people, but weirdly the staunch qanon /pol/ level antisemites I knew from before are agnostic on the Israel/Palestine conflict while people who were screeching about fascism and antisemitism 2 years ago (normie 'leftists') are now more staunchly antisemitic publicly than even the worst of my /pol/ level antisemitic relatives could dream of being. I just can't help but tinfoil that this was deliberate and serves some kind of bigger globohomo purpose because it feels so 'controlled' and it doesn't even seem to be convincing actual dyed-in-the-wool antisemites as much as it is convincing recent 'antifascists.'
No. 2028150
>>2025405I hope there is a Sold A Story equivalent for mathematics because I think something similar happened to the way math is taught in North America. When I was in elementary school in the 00's they started changing up the curriculum from tried and true methods like times table memorization to this bullshit where they would teach us ~5 long-winded strategies for solving a basic math problem, eg. create a visual representation of 5x5 by drawing 25 circles on the page and counting them. Then you would have to learn all of these and demonstrate them on the test to pass, instead of A.) letting students choose the 1 strategy that worked best for them or B.) Teaching the methods that were going to be expected in middle/high school.
This was Canada fyi. I think the crux of the issue is a luck of funding/the privatization of education. But an uneducated populace = one that is easier to sell products to, so I doubt anything will change. Thanks powers that be
No. 2028174
>>2028149I agree with this
>>2028157Nonna, you’re sperging out a bit here, ngl. I’m jewish (I’m assuming you are too?), and maybe things are different up in canada where antisemitism wasn’t really noticeable before, but it has always existed. It’s not new, though I agree /pol/ rhetoric is more mainstream now. I feel like this has been discussed to death, so I’ll try not to repeat points other anons have brought up, but there are various reasons why people are anti-zionist (which I would consider myself as well tbf), but also maybe kinda hate jews in general too. It could very well be a foreign psyops contributing to it, but I also just think people fall into extremism rather easily, and jews have always been the subject of conspiracy theories since the middle ages
>>2028158I’m not sure where you’re getting this from. The US has disproportionately zionist-sympathizing politicians, perhaps thanks to AIPAC, which just leads people to suspect normal jewish people more
>>2028164I wonder how many actual jewish people you know lol
No. 2028176
>>2028164While this is all true it's a major tenet of Islam as well so I don't see how it would skew people in one direction or another of the Israel/Palestine conflict. Islam also has the same ethnic supremacy mindset too where certain ethnicities of Muslim are considered less legit than others. Actually I would argue Christianity is the only Abrahamic derived religion that doesn't have any intrinsic 'ethnic superiority' aspect to it, despite the fact that everyone conflates 'white nationalism' with Christianity.
On the other hand in the Russo-Ukrainian war the Ukrainian Nazis were not actually targeting Russian Jews, just non-Ukrainians generally and anyone they consider to be soviet or communist aligned, but Westerners still supported this for some reason when they were tankies 0.5 seconds earlier, again for no clear and identifiable reason. There's not even an ethnic component to that conflict in the eyes of your average North American even if the people involved think of it as an ethnic conflict.
No. 2028184
>>2028174AYRT and no I am not Jewish. I said my relatives were holocaust survivors but from a different non-Jewish ethnicity. I also don't think antisemitism was 'not noticeable' before, I had a lot of antisemites in my extended family and I saw a lot of antisemitism online, I was just baffled by the specific subtype of people in my personal life who went full anti-Zionist suddenly in late 2022 since they were the exact last people I would expect to lean that way. They were the type of people who would needlessly white knight for anything even vaguely associated with Jewish people like 'bankers' as a group or 'elites' even when you were explicitly talking about white anglo-saxons. I don't think I'm getting my point across well here but my question is less about 'how could these people think this way' because I know people are irrational and prone to hivemind behaviour, and more concerned with what I see as politicians in NATO countries deliberately flipping their script even though they outwardly support Israel. I think this went down the wrong tangent that I didn't mean for it to go down, but I'm more interested in the motives of the political actors who are funding one side of a conflict while seemingly supporting ethnically charged sentiment from the exact opposite side of the conflict.
I think you misread my post because I said that the US (and Canadian) governments 'explicitly' support Zionist politicians, but I think they also 'implicitly' support the Ukrainian Nazi army factions as well as the pro-palestine protesters, and I just don't get why.
No. 2028206
>>2028185There's narcissists of every descent but I think more importantly there are religious texts from various major religions that make a point of 'othering' other ethnicities/religions/lineages and some people take that very seriously while more moderate/secular descendants of that culture often don't take it too seriously at all. That's why you'll always have people who are like 'I have 20 friends of X religion and they're all the nicest most accepting people ever' while someone else is like 'I read X religious text from Y religion and they literally think everyone who isn't part of their religion should be lied to, taken advantage of and ultimately probably exterminated.'
Secular Western people from places like the US and Britain are so used to Christian morals and the Bible that they think the norm for religions is to be like 'everyone should be part of our big nice club and they just have to believe what I believe and it will be nice' and then they assume that shit like the Crusades or Spanish Inquisition or whatever was a result of some evil people taking advantage of/misreading the religious text (which it was in those cases). Unfortunately that is not always true of all world religions.
No. 2028241
>>2028184I see, sorry for assuming you were jewish. Regarding your main point as to why there has been a sudden shift, I don’t doubt the CCP has been trying to deepen western divisions (hardly even a tinfoil tbh), though this nonna’s point is also interesting
>>2028189. There are obviously elites who have various interests in israel, but I couldn’t tell you exactly what they are beyond the basic BRICS vs NATO
>>2028185I’m not familiar with the people you’ve mentioned, but there are retarded narcissists from all ethnic groups. The belief that jews think we’re “god’s chosen people” and above “goyim” is rhetoric I’ve seen espoused by antisemites and trolls online only that do not reflect the beliefs 95% of jewish people hold (I’m sure there are some jewish retards who have let it get to their heads that they’re speshial, hence the other 5% kek). I have never, ever heard anyone in my family, among jewish friends, or at the synagogue say anything even remotely along that vein irl
>sectarianI find it interesting that jews get stereotyped as tribalistic or “sectarian” still when I feel like the same could be said for any ethnic or religious minority. I wouldn’t say there’s no truth to the stereotype, but rather isn’t that just how social groups work?
>>2028219I’m not israeli so I couldn’t tell you too much about the israeli mindset, but I do think it’s a bit dumb to act like it’s a unique event in history as if it doesn’t resemble thousands of other wars for land. My impression as to why zionists have veered into ethnic cleansing though is because they care about their own survival first and foremost, and believe that their safety is not guaranteed unless hamas is eliminated. I don’t think this is anything uniquely jewish, however, beyond the religious justifications they might use to defend their claim to the “holy land” (I’m an atheist btw kek) and their generational trauma from the holocaust which has morphed into extremism
No. 2028255
>>2028241No no problem I see why you assumed that. FWIW I do have a lot of Jewish friends and like you say the vast overwhelming majority of them have never expressed any kind of 'we are above the goyim' sentiment (although I do know a couple like that). I think I relate to Ashkenazi Jews a lot because my family both was in kind of 'the same boat' as them during WWII and also one side of my family actually sheltered a Jewish family for several years throughout the war so I have heard a lot of stories about the atrocities done to Jewish people and know how 'real' it was which I think a lot of antisemites want to deny. I always try to stay out of ethnic conflicts on that level and think about the human beings in any given group because even if people have kin loyalties most people are just people with humanity at the end of the day, so I try not to 'pick sides' in shit like the current war because I know the vast overwhelming majority of people affected are just
victims trying to live their day to day lives, have food on the table and a family, don't deserve to be bombed or drone striked or vilified.
I actually initially thought the Ukrainian/Russian war versus the Israel/Palestine war back to back and where twitter leftists fell on both conflicts is interesting specifically because I think in these conflicts Israel/Ukraine are similar and Donbas/Gaza are similar. NTAYRT in your final point but I agree with you that there is nothing 'uniquely jewish' about the Israel side of the conflict and ironically almost everyone I know who supports Gaza now did NOT support Donbas in the Ukraine war even though there were a lot of close parallels with Gaza.
No. 2028275
>>2028263I might be picking up on what you're saying wrong but I don't think these wars are optics for social media or to bolster up some populist view or something i think they're unfortunate fallouts from tensions that have been bubbling.
I think all the tranny shit was an exercise in creating a new voting demographic and then you had seemingly antithesis type figures like Caitlyn Jenner bought by the other side and seemingly going against interests. None of it makes sense, it made sense when trannies were transvestites and not considered a viable demographic to garnish for votes.
Think there was a moment in the mid 2010s with BLM and such were more about social media clout than an actual movement, like that Free Kony shit.
No. 2028285
>>2028274Pathetic if there's an undercover female agency seek me out if the world's a game I got nothing to lose.
In regards to your uncles retiring early my step dad didn't and passed away on the same date as an unnamed soldier that was getting a lot of media attention here and I've been wondering if it's him. His dad killed himself young, he was from a very deprived area and considered a minority and was encouraged out of school early to join up with the ruc and went up the ranks quick
No. 2028305
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It's no coincidence that all of this shit (the meme is referring to Uber, AirBnB, Bitcoin, and AI images) is being pushed by the same handful of old money techbros who value "move fast and break things" above all else. This is the world moids have envisioned for everyone.
No. 2028306
>>2028285Are you cluster B nonna?
The thing about your dad is interesting. I think most of my family members were intelligent but they grew up under Communism where it was quite rare to get an opportunity to go to university, and policing was an 'obvious' career path for people who weren't super academically inclined (one of them got into university but didn't want to go, the other was a bit too much of a partier to make it in, but both would probably be in the upper quartile of modern uni students). There is some weird like honesty/conscientiousness gene running through that half of my family though, every single person on that side of my family like can't go against their morals or do bad things even if they wanted to, so I've heard a lot of really really weird stories.
No. 2028317
>>2028306Idk I have not seemed diagnosis I'm just high on a a cracked touch phone maybe.
I honestly love that for your family I feel like a black sheep in mine cause all I've witnessed is that lies and deceit make for a shit time lol
No. 2028325
>>2028312They like to do that. They used qanon to discredit ever
valid leak around pizzagate which incriminates Mrs Clinton and the podestas. The Podestas are even linked to a pedophile who was out of residence the night madeline mccann got abducted and eye witness accounts were made to a police sketch artist and it looks like one of the podestas who were in residence at the pedos mansion which is just down the road from the resort the mccanns were staying at.
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this hivemind shit where online activist zoomies have such conflicting political viewpoints that change quickly without much logic (super into lgbt slacktivism and quick to criticize christianity but rabidly oppose criticism of islam for example) is the product of a long running online propaganda campaign to create a generation of young people incapable of nuanced thought. I got introduced to politics as a tumblr kiddie back in like 2012 and have been trying to kick the mental habit of automatically labeling someone with a not-woke-approved political opinion as an OMG EVIL FACIST and immediately dismissing their ideas for a few years now. I think the gendie shit is what made me realize how inorganic and glowy the onset of the sjw movement was:
>pushed heavily by NGOs which are just glorified money laundering operations/propaganda farms that hide their actual intentions behind flowery HR language
>cia infiltrated the civil rights movement in the 60's because it threatened the burger status quo for an undeniably just cause. America realized it can't let that happen again because the status quo enables the rich to get richer w/o lifting a finger, so it began to infiltrate the gay rights movement in its infancy
>legalize gay marriage to create an illusion of left wing progress. The gays can marry now and we had a black prez, our precious government would never do anything as backward as overturn abortion rights or something…right?
>encourage the use of increasingly complicated terminology to describe race + gender in academia + activist circles. Encourage the shaming and shunning of those that dont use the new terminology properly as bigots, even if they are from the group they are trying to describe
>heavily push the "learned experience" meme aka value the political opinions of a member of a minority group based on where they fall on the oppression olympics scale, not their level of education on the subject or argument strength
>it becomes impossible to discuss politics online without someone being accused of an "ism" of some sort, especially male-female relations. Encourage young people to doxx each other over mild political disagreements
>american 20somethings become incapable of discussing politics beyond idpol slapfights and pointless slogans because they don't want to risk being shunned by their peers or blacklisted by employers
>start to slowly revert social progress (roe v. wade) while everyone is busy arguing >encourage the public to give out information on their gender, sexuality, mental health, racial background on job applications etc because to "encourage diversity"and "reduce stigma"
>actually use this data to discriminate harder and works towards creating a larger and more easily exploited serf class for the future technocrats to abuse
>???
>Profit
No. 2028364
>>2028158My tinfoil theory is that jews serve as convenient scapegoats when it all goes wrong. Due to the conspiracy theories surrounding jews it's easy for the elites to point to jews being behind everything and have people believe it. The elites aren't jews, they masquerade as other religions while being satanists. It's part of their population reduction plans to cause war between religions.
>>2028184>I'm more interested in the motives of the political actors who are funding one side of a conflict while seemingly supporting ethnically charged sentiment from the exact opposite side of the conflict.It's about increasing power and control over the world. The western elites don't care about ideology, they care about being able to use a group of people against their enemies. They will support Israel in the middle east because it serves as a base for western power to suppress Iran and they will use Ukrainian nazis to weaken Russia. They don't care as long as they aren't the ones dying and their objectives are being achieved.
>>2028356The muslim rape gangs and the elites are one and the same. It's all part of a blackmailing operation. It happened in Labour areas because it was used to collect blackmail on the police and Labour politicians. It's not needed in Tory areas because Tories all get fagged and buggered in public school.
No. 2028392
>>2028347Great post nonna and also see what I said above about the documentary Hypernormalization. It's kind of a slog it's like 3 hours long and mostly about old stale political conflicts but I think it suggests a pretty compelling hypothesis about why this type of ever-changing internally conflicting political viewpoint is useful in the general populace.
The one point on which I disagree is Roe V. Wade, even RBG was saying for decades that an old SCOTUS decision that was considered 'provisional' at the time was not gonna hold and real legislation should be made about abortion - actually my tinfoil about this is that Democrat politicians deliberately avoided legislating abortion rights federally because it was politically convenient for them to hold SCOTUS over people's heads whenever they considered voting Republican, and ultimately it backfired on them when they were blindsided by Trump winning. Full disclosure I absolutely believe abortion rights should be codified into law I just don't think a provisional SCOTUS decision was a robust way of doing it and I think it was politically convenient for both parties to keep it so tenuous. I know from hanging out in radfem communities before the last US primary/election that a huge number of women would have either primaried someone else or straight up voted Republican if it wasn't for the fears about Roe v. Wade, Democrats had women exactly where they wanted them, subservient and helpless trading one right for another knowing they were fucking themselves over either way.
Anyway I completely agree with the rest of your post and I also had to break out of that 2012-era tumblr right-think because I too had that mental habit of labeling people as Wrong And Bad for random uncouth opinions many of which I now realize were entirely correct,
TERF views just being one of these things but actually there were many others.
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>>2028359Yes, that would be COINTELPRO (which evidently never ended)
>>2028366picrel. reddit is known a hub for gubmint astroturfing and it has been for a long time. It is extremely obvious on subs like worldnews
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>>2028412So glad to see this brought up. Ukrainian Nazi allied troops were responsible for entire genocides during WWII (Look up Volhynia Massacre) on Poles and other ethnic groups. The most famous Ukrainian death squad was probably Schutzmannschaft Battalion 118, responsible for Khatyn (massacre of an entire Belorusian village). I remember when the Ukrainian war started and refugees started flooding Poland, and many older people were terrified because they still remembered hiding from Ukrainians as they marched through their villages. Look hard at picrel and you can find the slogan this nonna mentioned.
No. 2028442
>>2028392ayrt I'm glad my sperg was appreciated. I had a political awakening around the onset of the Ukraine war when it seemed nobody was talking (or allowed to publicly) about the right wing militias in the Ukrainian gov, its history as one of the most corrupt countries in the world, the Maidan coup etc like overnight. I'm a dumb zoomie but I grew up poor, no smartphone/social media till I was 16/17 and was autistically obsessed with reading newspapers most of my life which I think helped make me more politcally literate/resistant to brainrot than the average chud born after 1999. (sorry for blogging)
Not a burger or super educated on American politics, just familiar w/ most of it through cultural osmosis. Roe v. Wade was the first thing that came to mind when I was thinking of something to demonstrate the possible correlation btw the 2010s rise of gender ideology and antifeminist backlash. I think the dems & republicans are the same party (the pro 1% party). The dual party system is just political theatre imo
No. 2028456
>>2028442I'm not American either but I have enough burger friends and spent enough time on US-centric internet forums that I ended up deep diving into the whole SCOTUS issue and came away from it pretty convinced that the refusal of Dems to try to federally legislate abortion rights for literal decades (when even the shieldmaiden of Roe v Wade Ruth Bader Ginsberg was writing op-eds warning that the SCOTUS decision wasn't robust) was just another uniparty way to keep the electorate in their cages. It's not hard, basically every other Western country including those with somewhat 'federated states' already federally legislated abortion rights. At least if they had made an attempt and been stymied maybe it would have been more convincing but the whole 'you can nevereverever vote for anyone except for the DNC Chosen One or else Roe v Wade will be repealed!' shit just rubbed me the wrong way and seemed like fake political machinations.
Regarding the rest of your post I'm guessing you're a bit younger than me but I also knew about the Maidan coup from before due to being a news/politics sperg and having history/politics sperg family members so by the time the whole Donbas conflict popped off I was pretty sure the mainstream media characterization was missing something and extremely lacking in detail. It turns out that a lot of what was happening in the Donbas was not dissimilar to some of the shit happening in the Gaza strip - an ethnic minority backed into a tiny chunk of the country being ethnically and linguistically suppressed, regularly shelled and bombed, etc. just because they were asking for some basic rights like the ability for their children to go to school in Russian and basic shit like that. They didn't have the numbers or military power to be a real threat to Ukraine. I'm not saying the Russian invasion was out of the goodness of dear Putin's heart or whatever but the ethnic tensions were building for decades before shit popped off and the escalation on the NATO side was almost certainly deliberate.
No. 2028496
>>2028480not just that, a lot of people fall deep into the two party system and don't even know what they support anymore, they simply just vote for the label itself then can't name a single policy they actually support.
remove labels from trump vs biden, most republicans would scream and demand trump be hung while support biden
No. 2028514
>>2028480You're lucky to know slightly smarter people then I know a lot of burger immigrants to my country or burgers I met online who were extremely married to the idea of a 'left' party and a 'right' party even if the parties didn't even represent different poles of the left-right spectrum in any way. Even in middle school in my public school curriculum in my country we used the US political system as an example of overton window delusion lmao and that was like 15+ years ago.
I'm not sure that the 2-party system is especially worse than many multi-party systems either, I think some multiparty systems are worse in many ways, and at least the US has relative autonomy for federated states compared to many other countries that have semi-autonomous states or provinces. But I do think there's a particular aspect to the 'literally there's two teams' party system that fries people's brains a little bit regarding nuance on political topics. Like the electorate in places like Canada has actually less political power since a party can be elected into a stable government with 10% of the popular vote which is totally disgusting, but at least people are less married to their 'team' under that system.
No. 2028584
>>2028556TCDD and other dioxin like compounds are common environmental contaminants because they are produced as a result of the synthesis of organochlorides and phenoxy herbicides. Organochlorides are also used as pesticides and are used in the production of PVC which is one of the most common plastics.
Tonnes of these chemicals are produced and then sprayed on the corn belt which then contaminates the Mississippi and it's tributary rivers.
Yet another reason as to why veganism is bad for the environment as the main target crop for phenoxy herbicides is soy.
No. 2028594
>>2028442don't forget how when all the western countries sanctioned russia, the media just went off about how russians were going to starve to death and go back to standing in line for bread and milk like they did before the fall of the iron curtain. lo and behold all these big businesses like starbucks and mcdonalds and zara never left russia, they just rebranded or get imported through india and then shipped right back to russia. none of the grocery stores were empty, no one is standing in a breadline or roasting their kids over a firepit due to famine. but hunger and inflation has definitely increased in the united states.
now it's also coming out too that around $1-6 billion dollars of money that was sent to slava ookraine has mysteriously gone missing. of course there's no mention of this in the mainstream news, and if it is brought up it's an afterthought or dismissed as russian bots!!! then remember the new york times got outed for denying the clear and very visible nazi paraphernalia being worn by the azov battalion whom they gleefully paraded in our faces as sexy war heroes. of course anytime anyone with a working brain brought this up you got screamed at for being a russian bot! reeeeeee.
these are very interesting times we are living in. i grew up during the 9/11 fall out aka the freedom fries era. things were crazy back then but social media was not as sophisticated as it is today and the mainstream media was still largely old so information took a little bit longer to reach the general population. i've largely checked out of reading or engaging with anything on any of the wars besides the bare minimum as it's so hard to discern anymore what's real and what's fake and what's being used as a form of manipulation to exploit certain narratives. like a few months ago i saw a very obviously faked video of dummy body being shot at in "gaza", with very obvious cuts in the footage, but other people in the comments seemed oblivious to the fact the "woman" laying on the ground was clearly just a mannequin head and some pillows wrapped up in a black scarf. i care about the lives of innocent civilians and the obvious tragedies of war such as shani louk's death, but other than that i try to distance myself from the political side of war.
No. 2028622
>>2028584We are all being infected by pesticides and other environmental pollutants. I'm sure cancer rates and endocrine disorders have risen worldwide since the agricultural revolution during the 20th century which made pesticide usage widespread
>>2028587I've read other sources but I couldn't find them but here's some
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1665407/https://www.publichealth.va.gov/exposures/agentorange/basics.asphttps://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/84-104/default.html>>2028601It still doesn't explain the prevalence of ladyboys in that particular region
No. 2028651
>>2028594>now it's also coming out too that around $1-6 billion dollars of money that was sent to slava ookraine has mysteriously gone missing.Is there a source for this or is it in the video you posted? (sorry I didn't watch the vid I'm outside in public but if it's in the vid I'll watch later).
Ugh flood detection but I generally share your sentiment about being checked out of having 'war opinions.' Everything is propaganda now and the attitude of Westerners on these wars just seems like twitter fanwars at this point. I'm interested in the geopolitical origins of these wars as well as why people develop the opinions they do in the mainstream but I'm less interested in weighing in on the wars themselves, imo war is always a tragedy and not cheap entertainment the way people in war-free countries act like it is. Honestly most North Americans talk a big talk about how their ancestors were 'involved' in wars for 'our freedom' but it was usually conscription to foreign wars while their own citizens were (mostly) safe at home barring things like Pearl Harbor or whatever, I don't think that really breeds a deep cultural understanding of what actually being involved in war is like and I actually think that's behind a lot of the stupid political attitudes of North Americans unironically.
No. 2028661
>>2028609AYRT and my family has lived in North America for most of my life now and my parents still send money back because despite the modern conception of Poland as an economically blossoming country that was helped so much by the EU that's not the reality for most working and middle class Poles. It's still basically a shithole unless you're one of the people who profited from the EU modernization (which brought a lot of bad things with it,
toxic food, war on farming, war on culture). My family was especially badly affected because my grandparents stood up to the Soviet/communist regime in the 70s/80s and paid dearly for it, there was no coming back from that even after the iron curtain fell because even after the modernization/capitalist takeover of Poland it was all based on nepotism/connections just like it was under communism. I actually meet a lot of people here who I would never have immediately recognized were Polish except that we seem to recognize each other/have similar attitudes and then find out we're both from the same culture, it's quite interesting. And actually going back to my ancestral food helped heal a lot of my hormonal issues, speaking of food.
No. 2028676
>>2028622>>2028647It's possible both are true, obviously the sex tourism would encourage ladyboy culture but that doesn't necessarily explain why it cropped up in the first place and became so common.
Thanks for the links nonna, this is compelling but I still wonder why low T levels don't seem to generally correlate to high levels of male troons in other cultures. Maybe it is an HSTS vs AGP thing because from my perusals of the lit about Western troons my impression is that they often have average to high T levels, whereas if your theory is correct troonism would correlate with low T levels or maybe some hormonal disruption in the womb. Very interesting info at any rate.
No. 2028694
>>2028684Thanks nonna I appreciate it.
Actually it just occurred to me that this point possibly belongs in the tinfoil thread, it's something people in my circles openly speak about but I don't see it talked about a lot online. It's incredibly weird that Zelensky was 'groomed' for the presidency of Ukraine by being an actor who played the Ukrainian president on TV (a harmless funny version of a president) and then got elected on a negotiate-with-Russia platform, right after the Maidan protests and US diplomats saying they 'installed their own people' in Ukraine as a result of Maidan. It almost feels like the US was laughing in the faces of Ukrainian people about how they won't get what they really want and are easily manipulated. This is getting deeply tinfoily but it seems similar to me to the egregious way obvious dementia patient/pedophile Joe Biden won the primaries and became president in the US even though no one really seemed to like him very much and people had to go through this whole multi-year farce of pretending he 'just has a stutter' or pretending it wasn't weird that some of his campaign rallies/victory speeches were zoom calls to empty mall parking lots with Ford car fleets with no one inside. It was especially interesting to me that right when people started claiming 'the US election was stolen' a bunch of articles started cropping up about how 'no, actually, the US election wasn't stolen, but the Ukrainian one obviously was! The Ukraine has the most obviously corrupt electoral system of them all!' right before all this shit happened. Sometimes it really feels like TPTB are spitting in our faces and seeing how much we'll tolerate.
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Why the fuck does the government say the economy is doing well? I literally can't afford to buy groceries these days
No. 2029320
>>2028822When I was learning statistics, one of the most important lessons we learned was that the statistician is more more important than the statistics. As a statistician, one of your jobs is to play with the statistics enough that you're able to clearly express any idea you'd want to send. I.e., if you go to a small town in red-county USA and ask people if they were to vote republican, undecided, or democrat, most would say the former, then you could skew the statistics to say that "most Americans are planning to vote Republican," likewise since that same population would most likely be filled with a few more democrats than those undecided, you can skew it to be "more Americans are planning to vote blue as fewer remain undecided." So, both companies on either side of the political spectrum can use the same research that they give different implications to foster their side. Knowing this really makes me jaded about seeing graphs or stats figures, but I'm happy that I was educated in statistics so that I can view the raw data and interpret it myself. I think more people should share this knowledge.
All this to say, I think that any study that you see from any government isn't necessarily a production of raw material fact to begin with, and I don't think any study that is put out there by any government that is totally non-partisan or doesn't have an ulterior idea behind it. When a government is performing poorly, or poverty is becoming more apparent and normal in daily life, or the quality of life is slipping back, they won't actually release a study that confirms those things in any meaningful way; they'll distract with a deluded and over-interpreted headline followed up by a puffed-up graph prepared by people that are paid to trick you. I hope this makes sense.
No. 2029360
>>2029345https://ourworldindata.org/drivers-of-deforestation#is-our-appetite-for-soy-driving-deforestation-in-the-amazon>Over one-third (37%) of global soy is fed to chickens and other poultry, one-fifth to pigs, and 6% to aquaculture. Very little soy is used for beef and dairy production – only 2%.
>One-fifth of the world’s soy is used for direct (i.e. not from meat and dairy) human consumption. Most of this is first processed into soybean oil. Some countries use very little soy as animal feed such as the EU.
https://www.wwf.at/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/WWF-Report-European-Soy-Supply.pdf>According to the European Compound Feed Manufacturers' Federation (FEFAC), the volume ofindustrial compound feed produced in the EU27+UK reached 164.86 million tonnes in 2020.
This volume accounted for around 20% of the total feed consumed by farm animals in that year, while roughages accounted for 67% and on-farm feed materials for 13%.
Roughage is parts of crops that are not edible to humans.
No. 2031809
>>2029320Everything in this post is correct but with inflation specifically it is usually calculated through a 'basket of goods' calculation where some 'consumer goods analyst' goes to, say, a grocery store or a housing listing site and calculates how much it costs to buy 'the same' goods that year compared to a previous year. There are all sorts of really obvious ways to fudge this which have been pointed out by consumer watchdogs. For example, with groceries, in the past the 'basket of goods' might have contained some higher quality steaks, butter, a box with 30 cookies from a known brand, a pineapple, some raspberries, some bakery bread. Then 10 years later they will go in and select some low-quality ground beef, margarine, ,a shrinkflated box with 15 cookies from a no-name brand, some wilted apples and wonderbread and they will say 'look, the cost barely rose!' They do this with other stuff like housing and utilities as well, picking out smaller or older/dilapidated houses in worse areas and saying housing costs are remaining relatively static while the quality of that housing, square footage, etc. goes down. They might also go to a cheaper store like costco for their 'basket of goods' while in the past they would go to a more expensive/normal grocery store. The hardest things to lie about are gas prices for cars, but sometimes they can even say this is no big deal because more people are driving hybrids or electric. Same with utilities like heating, sometimes instead of directly talking about how much the same amount of electricity costs now versus 10 years ago they will say 'the price to heat a 2 person home is X' but they're assuming you're heating it to a lower temperature during the winter and just wear a sweater. All these tricks contribute to pretending inflation is way lower than it actually is.
This is the exact same thing they do with unemployment stats btw. More and more people either have stopped looking entirely/dropped out of the workforce to become SAHMs or live with their parents over the course of COVID so those people technically don't count as 'unemployed' but people with gig work, even if it's just 5h/week as an uber driver, don't 'count' as 'unemployed' either. So they can claim unemployment is at an all time low because people report some income from some kind of job even if it's multiple part time jobs, freelance/gig work, etc. even when people getting full time employment are lower than before.
No. 2031814
>>2030490You're lucky you have such non-hypocrite friends nona because that's basically the opposite of my experiences, people who formerly called themselves 'tankies' started slapping 'we stand with Ukraine' on everything and the exact same people freaking out about everything being antisemitic are posting antisemitic memes and suggesting all Israelis should be exterminated. I know a handful of people like the people you are describing but a much larger number who are always on the 'popular' side of any argument which in my local community was largely pro-communist, then pro-ukraine, then pro-palestine. It was not 'a single freak' it was dozens of people I know personally and have on social media and many more people I don't personally know but saw posting on twitter and other social media sites.
Why would it be weird to not be a fan of the Israeli government for lying about history and extorting poorer countries by lying about their involvement in WWII?
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Celebrities are getting facial implants. I am not basing this off anything but my mother-given ADHD-founded clairvoyance. It just makes a lot of sense, they can afford it and it's essentially a permanent version of filler, except it doesn't shift or dissolve. I could see them using custom shaped rib bone for small adjustments or polyethyelene implants for both small and large changes. This current procedure is not widely offered (at least not in Australia) or even well-known as an alternative to filler. There was some news going around about celebrities getting procedures that "nobody even knows about" or whatever so I'm wholly convinced it's custom facial implants - seriously, just scroll through this page
https://www.eppleycustomfacialimplants.com/total-face-implants/, you could build a new face from scratch.
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>>2032531Apparently she died a week after the car crush but in that very clip of the video she is quite literally thrashing for her life which someone who’s accelerating at a high speed in a car and crashes it into a solid building would not be able to move around like that, they would either be actually dead or in a severe condition that causes immobility. She was still alive for a few days but it seemed like whoever was after it unfortunately caught her and killed her in the hospital.
>>2032553No idea, just saw that she used to date Ellen back then and said she was never really a true lesbian which adds more to the mystery. Ellen’s DJ twitch later committed suicide right after this happened like literally 4 months after Anne died
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>>2032560She gave a very schizo interview in the Advocate where she talks about being molested by her father among other things. But it was in 2001, long before she died. Almost want to read her book now, this is a rabbit hole
No. 2032663
>>2025570I believe that every school shooting is manufactured by the government to push anti gun laws in order to disarm the populace. Agents will specifically find and groom isolated teenage boys into committing a mass shooting that targets young children. Young children are targeted for two reasons. One, children have neither money nor lobbyists, so killing them results in zero political blow back. Two, they're the perfect
victim to tug on society's heartstrings to make decisions that aren't in society's best interests. I base this on the facts gathered from mass shootings, mainly the police stopping anyone from interfering in the Uvalde murders until the children were all dead and that mass shooter who never happened because the police immediately killed him. There was a man with a gun and a manifesto who had been proven to be talking to a CIA agent for several months. The man planned out a school shooting and made his handler aware of the targets and the exact date. He was driving to the elementary school and being followed by the police several thousand feet back. However, he suddenly changed his mind, and made his handler aware that he was going to go shoot up the Governor and her neighborhood and so changed course in his car to drive towards her house. At which point police immediately accelerated, surrounded his car, performed a pit maneuver to get him stopped, and then shot him in the head while he was still buckled into his car. They had the power to stop him at any time, but didn't until it became clear that he was going to murder someone other than the target, specifically someone who was politically connected enough that their actions might come under scrutiny.
No. 2032669
>>2032663I don't agree with your tinfoil that every single school shooting is this (I think some people just are that schizo) but I definitely think some of them might be manufactured just because of how often it comes out that school shooters were already 'known to' FBI/CIA/whatever and on some watchlist beforehand. There were also a couple non-school mass shootings at festivals or events that seemed extremely suspicious and politically motivated where it was later proven the shooters were CIA/FBI assets.
Do you have sources for the story of the guy who was apprehended?
No. 2032733
>>2032706Yeah I agree it was frightening, and it happens whenever a current New Thing makes the news, and it's always the same lockstep opinions with the vast majority of people unlike what the other anon above said. Yeah there are always some people who don't fall into lockstep but most do.
I'm not a fan of Putin but you will never convince me Putin wanted this war, I think NATO wanted this war, we know the US stopped peace negotiation talks early on and likely bombed the pipelines to further ruin Russia's diplomatic relations with the EU, I think Putin is a narcissistic autocrat but he didn't really want to invade Ukraine unlike what everyone is saying and Ukraine was committing human rights abuses very similar to those Israel has been committing but no one seemed to care about that.
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>>2032728Normal people don't talk like this.
No. 2032777
>>2032775>>2032770You can read through all the emails at
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/. I never looked through 'em myself so if you find suspicious shit, screenshot it and post it here!
No. 2032814
>>2032811I think for the most part they tried to avoid commenting but I remember being on a trip where I was staying in some motels while the whole thing was going down and my mom who was very invested in the US election for some reason (we're not american) kept turning US TV channels on to follow the controversy and there definitely were some direct responses to the emails (possibly not by Clinton herself but people involved in her campaign) and other people involved in the emails who basically confirmed the pizza shit was real through lack of denial/mocking 'conspiracy theorists' who hear pizza or pasta and think it's about children when it's obviously just about party foods, etc. Back then I was way more checked out of this stuff and hadn't read the emails myself so I remember agreeing with them and thinking my mom was acting crazy until I actually read the emails.
I'm not 100% sure that all the images going around were confirmed real but even mainstream journalists claimed they had confirmed with US government people themselves that the images they were posting were real plus people on the campaign were mocking people making a big deal out of some posts about party food or spirit cooking so idk. Normally if these emails were actually not real they'd just say 'they aren't real,' they even do that with verified shit like the hunter biden laptop scandal and everyone believes them.
No. 2032856
>>2032845Oh please post caps when you find them. I think it's not only the food companies because it's not only food companies that are introducing these pollutants into the environment. I think cosmetics companies, fuel companies, plastics/packaging companies, crop/agribusiness companies like Monsanto, drug companies, etc. are all involved as well as government bodies. But I would believe food companies are heavily involved.
Another thing was the diabolical attacks on the (now TIF lmao) doctor who invented HAES and the corruption of what HAES was supposed to mean. Originally it was just an obesity doctor noticing that obesity treatments and diets basically never work, and trying to promote treatments that focused on relieving health issues/symptoms related to metabolic issues in people of every size rather than focusing on weight itself (IIRC the interventions actually helped fat people lose a little more weight than most other interventions do). But the media corrupted this into 'everyone is healthy at every size! fat people aren't unhealthy!' and then a bunch of pundits ran with it and started attacking this woman who originally was just pointing out that obesity reseach has never effectively been solving obesity and that even normal weight people have some of the same obesity-related hormonal problems.
No. 2032878
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>>2032856Damn I can't find it. It might have been something like a marketing exec for Toll House was later doing "body positivity" fat activism stuff on twitter but I don't remember if she was still employed at Toll House or at least invested in it so I wanted to check. I can't remember her name or the account. but it was literally a toll house employee of some type who was not fat posting on twitter about how being fat was totally healthy. I think I saw it through 0ddette on twitter.
pic not really related
No. 2032903
>>2026801unschooling is just lending to the child the capacity of themselves developing the critical thinking skills to learn by themselves and to be people with independent thought by knowing how teaching methodologies, something that any person with independence needs, in general there are parents which abuse kids with this but these parents didn't practice unschooling but simply put their kids onto vaults and never gave them stimulation by having experiences, which is a part of unschooling (giving books, teaching tools, generally learning by example and self work and more), that isn't the issue of unschooling but in general the act of child neglect which is in general a way to hurt kids, the solution of this isn't to remove critical thought but to simply remove abusers by the community eliminating these bad people rather than forcing kids onto propaganda places like schools which inherently are by their model being made for making people which cannot have any self critical thought by the prussian model, in general removing the method people used to learn stuff in the past which has been shown to work just because of people who forbide these aspects just because of some insane people is retarded and the reflection of lack of critical thinking being something which in general is forced upon people to not attain self sufficiency.
in general they should be more community development to see and catch these abusers, not to put the kids of those places on another treadmill which will abuse them exactly as their fathers by the schooling system encouraging not remembering things by being made to be dropped rather than critically used and applied.
No. 2032905
>>2032891Cereal was originally invented to curb young males' sexual appetites and urges by literally making them weaker and lower energy, it was invented to basically sap people's life force for the sake of puritanism. And yet it was still considered a 'health food' growing up which is just insane. They knew what they were doing back then and then they successfully convinced entire civilizations that up is down regarding nutrition.
I still think it goes deeper than food companies and it's not really about overeating (although getting people to overeat junk is profitable). It's also about hiding genuine hormonal disorders behind the label of 'overeating' when many fat people increasingly are not overeating, and even non-fat people increasingly have these hormonal and metabolic issues but assume they're healthy because they're not fat (yet?) The focus is kept on women even though men are just as fat because everyone loves arguing about whether women are sufficiently beautiful and keeping all the emphasis on individual choices 'to be fat' or 'to be thin' keeps people's energies and attention diverted from what's really happening. No one is trying to actually glorify obesity and make women want to be fat as many rightoids say, they're just trying to divide and conquer with stupid arguments about individual choice and aesthetics instead of population-level health.
I also think the rhetoric surrounding the Ozempic craze took a similar path - the studies on Ozempic actually showed some really interesting things scientifically suggesting that something else is going on with metabolic issues/weight gain than just overeating but the media chose to hyperfocus on celebrities using it to starve and 'taking meds away from diabetics' instead of asking why diabetic meds work so well on non-diabetics and why this drug works when appetite suppressants don't.
No. 2032910
>>2032903Giving books only works if the child is literate though, you need to teach them how to read and write in order for them to actually discover their interests by reading and googling and whatever. If you leave it up to the child to 'discover their interests' while illiterate they won't discover much of anything unless their interest is riding a bike or climbing a tree. I knew some people in a semi-unschooling based high school when I was younger, that had pretty 'free' schedules and kids were allowed to come up with their own projects and pitch them to teachers and stuff, but that's not the same as literally leaving your child in the basement while they continue to be illiterate and innumerate.
I understand and agree with a lot of your concerns about the conventional prussian schooling model as stated but I went to some public schools that actually were quite good at teaching/encouraging critical thinking (not in primary school but in secondary) and the socialization/self-discipline aspects of school were beneficial and important to me. There are ways to actually improve schools but still give parents the benefit of free childcare and give kids the benefit of socialization and more financial resources/infrastructure (gyms, pools, libraries they can access every day, wood shops, car mechanic garages, dance classes, music classes/free instruments and performance opportunities, theater and a whole bunch of other shit homeschooling usually doesn't have the resources to provide. I think it's easier to reform the schooling model (in theory, I know governments don't want that) than develop a widely-applicable method of homeschooling/unschooling.
No. 2034438
These keep appearing on my fyp, any thoughts/info on 'plasma entities'? Common theory seems to be that they're fourth dimensional, hence the changing shape
“Plasmas” up to a kilometer in size and behaving similarly to multicellular organisms have been filmed on 10 separate NASA space shuttle missions, over 200 miles above Earth within the thermosphere. These self-illuminated “plasmas” are attracted to and may “feed on” electromagnetic radiation. They have different morphologies: 1) cone, 2) cloud, 3) donut, 4) spherical-cylindrical; and have been filmed flying towards and descending from the thermosphere into thunderstorms; congregating by the hundreds and interacting with satellites generating electromagnetic activity; approaching the Space Shuttles….They’ve been filmed accelerating, slowing down, stopping, congregating, engaging in
“hunter-predatory” behavior and intersecting plasmas leaving a plasma dust trail in their wake"
"Before NASA’s mission control changes the subject, the STS 115 Commander states: “The best way I can describe it as some kind of reflective cloth— some type of metallic looking type of cloth — a structure which is definitely not rigid — it’s not a solid metal structure”
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/377077692_Extraterrestrial_Life_in_Space_Plasmas_in_the_Thermosphere_UAP_Pre-Life_Fourth_State_of_Matter No. 2034941
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>>2032834>>2032905I recently read through this series of posts speculating about about the very thing you're talking about.
https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/07/a-chemical-hunger-part-i-mysteries/I think some of the arguments are shaky, but I found the overall idea very interesting. In short, the series of posts claims that there's a suspiciously strong correlation between altitude and obesity, and that this is because the drinking water in low-altitude areas has traveled a much greater distance and has had much more time to pick up endocrine-disrupting contaminants like PFASs.
No. 2035008
There was some discussion in the covid thread about obesity and psych drugs that I'm bringing here.
>>2034500>>2034504Bringing this back to covid, I wasn't actually skeptical of the vaccine and medicine in general until after I lost my patience trying to get mental health "treatment," and I realized that most psychiatry and therapy is on similarly shaky grounds as gender-affirming care, and that the rest of medicine is completely complicit. Most doctors are not putting in the legwork and reading studies and investigating whether or not something actually works. Instead, they use motivated reasoning to support whatever conclusion is easier for them to accept, only slowly changing their minds if they have dozens of patients
insist that they are wrong. I realized that this is very, very true of antidepressants and the like, and that the exact same blind-faith approach was being used with the vaccines.
>>2034962NTA but I would love to have more discussions about psych stuff. I think the tinfoil thread is OK for it, but I think it's a pretty big topic that's very relevant to a lot of what we discuss on this website. Namely, cows, troons, and autism. Maybe a psychiatry-critical thread? There's some less-conspiratorial aspects of psychiatry that I would like to see discussed as well.
For example, I think that drugs like adderall and bupropion, even if they're bad for your health in the long term, are extremely effective at boosting the average person's productivity in the short term. So long as you have the money and the will, getting a prescription for these is very easy, but you still have to traverse this archaic system and jump through a bunch of hoops and pretend like it's "medicine" and not performance-enhancing drugs that are required to function in a world where most available jobs are less meaningful and more intellectually demanding than ever.
I'm really curious to see if we'll begin treating these drugs more casually and more like OTC or even street drugs, or if we'll continue down our current path of expanding definitions of mental health diagnoses and pathologizing normal behavior. I think both options have some scary implications, but I don't think we're going to do the correct thing and fix the societal problems that lead us to feel like we need to take these drugs to keep up.
No. 2035030
>>2035021Seconding this.
>>2035008You're right anon that most doctors are not putting in any legwork or reading studies about medical science. In fact the thread you linked back to even has examples of doctors and researchers admitting that this is true, and doctors making excuses for why they don't feel like reading medical research anymore (because it's "not reliable" ironically, considering that we are all supposed to Believe Science TM now). Motivated reasoning is a huge factor in why many people, including (especially, actually) highly educated people believe things that they just shouldn't logically believe. The more educated you are or the 'higher IQ' you are the more likely you are to be able to rationalize an irrational belief just because you want to, and twist yourself into a pretzel to avoid admitting you are wrong.
I definitely agree with you regarding adderall. Blog but I use ephedrine myself from the workout supplement store sometimes, which is like a milder version of speed/an amphetamine than adderall. I initially used it to maximize the efficacy of workouts but then I realized it worked great as a study drug too. I never used it long term because I know amphetamines (even mild ones) are harmful to the body but I never suspected that I had ADHD either, and it worked just as well for me as it works for people with ADHD, meaning that speed or substances similar to speed make everyone more focused, alert, and awake. If you've been diagnosed with ADHD (whether you have it or not, whatever it is) it's easy to confirm your belief that you 'have ADHD' by taking an amphetamine and finding that you are more focused and alert. But everyone regardless of mental illness status is more alert and focused on amphetamines, so it proves nothing.
My personal belief is that we will continue down our current path of expanding definitions of mental health diagnoses, at least for a while, and pathologizing normal behaviour. The reason I believe this is because the alternative is to pathologize a society that incentivizes drug use and abnormality in its citizens just for the sake of 'productivity' and I don't think the powers that be are ready to admit that this is exactly what they are doing. But it is what they are doing and I think eventually people will realize that, unfortunately probably when they are all suffering from a myriad of endocrine issues, cardiac issues and mental issues and god knows what from going down this path of taking drugs to increase their 'productivity' and believing that being 'productive' in a modern neoliberal capitalist society is what 'being normal' actually means.
No. 2035121
>>2035120Why do you think it would?
Also no one said to make a 'medical hoax' thread they said a psychiatry critical thread and then someone else suggested a thread critical of medicine in general. I think there are other threads where that could be discussed but it does seem funny to put it in tinfoil when it has nothing to do with tinfoil and most farmers probably don't visit the tinfoil thread because they're not tinfoilers (I appreciate you tho tinfoilers)
No. 2035873
>>2035769There's a difference between bad medical experiences and "medical hoax", the latter of which is framed in a manner that would inherently only attract schizos and the sperglords who want to invest their time arguing with them.
> you seem obsessed with anti vaxers and medical hoaxesI'm not the one who wants a thread about it; nice grade school insult tho
No. 2035943
>>2035848Are all discussions where two people disagree 'infights' now? I agree with you that the tinfoil thread should be for actual tinfoils and not about people describing how healthcare or psychiatry sucks which is why I like the other nonna's suggestion of a separate thread, because it's not tinfoil to talk about the psychiatry or medical industry.
No one suggested making a 'medical hoax' thread someone suggested making a 'psychiatry-critical' thread and someone else said to make it a 'medical system critical' thread then some third person said 'omg we don't need a medical hoax thread' which no one said we needed. Anons try reading like 5 posts up at least if you're gonna respond to something.
Regarding COVID hoaxes being boring I don't think it's boring, it's the biggest hoax perpetrated on humanity and is linked to many other tinfoil topics, but since there's a thread for it already I think it belongs there not here. I do think a lot of the tinfoils brought up in here are kind of boring though like the aliens tinfoil which is just really played out and has been for decades yet it keeps coming up.
No. 2036176
On the topic of child abuse ,I believe society will try to normalize pedophilia by making it seem like children can consent and enjoy sexual abuse. They will make pedophiles be seen as oppressed
victims so the general population will be tricked into supporting them. I have a horrible feeling about the word MAP like it seems it was created to make pedophiles look less scary and dangerous.
>>2023381 No. 2036182
>>2036176This isn't even tinfoil this already happened before and is happening now. Most of our modern philosophy and humanities that are taught in universities and spread on social media are based on a bunch of philosophers who all supported pedophilia (Foucault and basically all his contemporaries from the same school of philosophy). You can also just straight up read pedo manifestos posted online in the early 2000s where they would talk about how they were going to 'normalize' pedoshit and most of what was in the 'manifestos' already happened (using the term MAP, love is love, normalizing furries and other forms of light bestiality, coming in on the coattails of LGBT normalization and stealing their strategies for activism, etc). I unfortunately can't find it now but I read this manifesto being passed around years ago on pedo forums, some feminist websites would post about it periodically.
And speaking of the word MAP the even sneakier one is 'NOMAP' which pedos know means you are a pedophile but normies assume means you are 'anti-MAP' or 'not a MAP.'
No. 2036203
>>2036192It’s not even subtle if you have pedo experience… fuck I’m just realizing a lot of well adjusted people have no idea what the fuck is going on lmao because they’re not pedo
victims hahahaha shit like it’s such a dark topic you either have to have been molested or be a god damn pedo! Haha
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>>2036192Uhh I don't know where to find it now because the way I originally found them was through some obscure feminist websites and blogs run by CSA
victims but they would link to a bunch of oldschool proboards type forums for pedos (I don't know if these are active anymore, they might have moved to discord and twitter now) and there was one manifesto in particular that got posted around a lot because it contained a 'game plan' to normalize pedophilia basically and they wanted other pedos to 'get with the program' so to speak in order to usher in the normalization of pedophilia faster. I think the manifesto was written around 2004-2006. If I ever find it again I'll post it here. It specifically made reference to trying to copy the gay civil rights movement and LGBT activism, specifically by using 'cutesy' phrases (MAP/NOMAP) for pedos, pushing ideas of 'child rights' and 'child autonomy' onto the public consciousness, pushing the idea that 'parents don't own their children' (have you noticed even mainstream politicians like Kamala Harris say this now?), pushing for 'soft acceptance' of stuff like bestiality to further normalize previously taboo sexual kinks (they suggested doing this through stuff like furries, puppy play, 'cute' costumes that would appeal to children and could be claimed to be non-sexual). There was also a lot of emphasis on the 'love is love' and 'born this way' phrases that were hallmarks of the gay rights movement, since associating pedophilia with the successes of the gay rights movement should make it more easily accepted. Famous psychology professors like James Cantor were involved in rewriting Twitter's pedo policies to make MAP posts kosher on Twitter, and he also advocates that pedophilia is a 'real sexual orientation' and they were 'born that way' (imgrel). I'm saying all this from memory and it's just a few of the points but it was like 50-100 pages long, I wish I could find it.
No. 2036242
>>2036203Yeah most people can’t tell at all. The only reason I can tell something is off is because I almost had a pedo experience(luck and gut instinct saved me). So many things in mainstream media seems like it has pedo undertones I bet there is so much many I can’t see because I never experienced CSA.
>>2036216I KNEW THEY WERE TRYING TO COPY LGBT ACTIVISM OMG. The furry one is so creepy because I remember my 6th grade friends being furries. We need to warn the normies about this.
No. 2037640
>>2037270Yeah the child rights/child autonomy catchphrases are insidious because they can be useful in contexts like getting kids who are CSA'd help, letting 16yos with
abusive parents file for emancipation or argue against school teachers beating children. Increasingly though it's used to argue (like you said) that children should be able to decide their gender therapy treatment when they're 4yo or school teachers not informing parents that their child socially transitioned in school. It's a way to separate children from their parents and primary caregivers (who are still legally and financially responsible for them if anything goes wrong) and convince them they have the right to do things their caregivers don't approve of. This doesn't always lead to the kids being pedo
victims but it can easily lead to kids being groomed by pedos if most of the trusted adults they're raised around tell them they actually have autonomy and authority over their own decisions and their parents don't even have a right to know what they're up to. Then pedos can claim the child they groomed/raped consented akshually and really loves them.
NOMAP just means non offending pedophile and most NOMAPs actually are offending, they just put that on their twitter profile so no one will look into their browsing history and so they can make themselves look like
victims. If you're so interested in non-offending why is your twitter account 90% pedoshit? Why are you letting it take up so much space in your brain and dominate all your conversations?
No. 2037662
>>2037380Blood curling. Very reminiscent of Dutroux but this coverup was done expertly (no harrassment of officials, no surviving
victims hinting at a larger network like Louf).
>>2036176>>2036192The most common pedo dogwhistles are talk of 'child liberation', concern trolling about family abuse (to then favor grooming/SA outside of the family unit), equating 'pedophobia' with homophobia, an insistence on vilifying mothers (since they stand between predatory adults and their child). I probably forgot some but these come up often. Some of these points anchor very easily into broader lefty politics, like the hatred for karens and general 'prude' accusations. There are more subtle cues that might fly under the radar of the people who parrot them, like discussions around 'family abolition'. This concept first appeared when Engels (i think?) described what a post-capitalist world would look like, but it has since been repurposed as some vague project where children aren't under parental supervision anymore. Pedophiles
love this concept, since it allows them to gently introduce the rest of their views (Prostasia members have used this tactic on social media). It also helps with defending bizarre/predatory sex education, because if you object to furry/trans/softcore porn being pushed onto your kid, you can be painted as a horrible regressive controlling parent, perhaps even an
abusive one.
None of this is super niche, but an underappreciated aspect is how it ties into 'mainstream' sexology. Dr. Kinsey (of the Kinsey scale) is one example. The pedophile in this context isn't an offender but a sick person, someone who requires treatment (nevermind that even castration doesn't help with repeat offenders, because it isn't just an individual disease). It's still worthwhile and provides insight into pedophilia but this neutral, pseudo-empathetic stance has trickled down to discussions of CSA. Online pedophiles also love these studies, and treat it like troons treat bogus studies about brain sex. I believe this heavily inspired MAP terminology.
Pedophilia advocacy is embedded in the history of queer activism (aswell as gay liberation and anarchism). Gayle Rubin is a perfect example of this tendency. Progressive/lefty movements are especially vulnerable to infiltration, as they prioritize male sexuality over everything else (leftist activists would go and guard PIE meetings because they were threatened by conservative orgs). Nowadays they manage to get the average center-left person to look away from child transition (which essentially creates sexually underdevolped adults and facilitates contact between confused kids and adult fetishists, with the consent and enthusiasm of parents, teachers, doctors, etc.). Back in the 20th century the hip progressive thing was pseudo-revolutionary schooling like
>>2036280 mentioned, where you'd see a breakdown of sexual boundaries and a special interest in infantile sexuality in the name of curbing fascism.
No. 2037680
>>2037662I'm the original anon who posted about pedo manifestos but I forgot to talk about 'family abolition,' that's actually an important dog whistle and it was actually on the main BLM site for a while too, it's very commonly inserted into any kind of leftist politics. People will pretend they're just arguing for more 'community help' for mothers raising kids but they actually want to separate the child from the mother like they said, hence 'parents don't own their children' 'these are everyone's children' and attacks on the nuclear family structure (which is imperfect but still in general gives kids some protection from outsiders).
Regarding your points about sexology the most mainstream recent example of this I can think of is the 'good giving and game' phrase coined by that gay sex advice columnist, it's not directly related to pedophilia but it summarizes the whole attitude that healthy sexuality is 'game' for anything and 'giving' meaning willing to try out or at least understand the kinks of your partner. This usually translates to women being shamed as prudes and told their instinctive boundaries are 'bad' and 'selfish' even when they are just trying to protect vulnerable people.
No. 2037711
>>2025264I'm on the early end of genz where the line between millennial and genz gets blurry and this reminded me of how many students in school growing up could not read at their proper grade level. I've moved around to a ton of different schools and in high-school I was shocked to see students who were incapable of pronouncing even two syllable words. I also remember how much comprehension was just no longer important and it was only practiced for English assignments, required reading goals didn't have you give reports on the book you read to show you both read and understood it. You would just check out a book and pretty much get the credit for reading it even if you didn't.
I'd also add to this that testing in the us is so different and has changed how students learn. I remember in elementary and middle school when taking end of year testing I was able to sail through bc it was just a recap of all the stuff I had learned throughout the school year. I took the act in high-school and absolutely bombed it, I understood next to nothing on it yet had a 4.0 GPA in school. I think that practical learning is slowly getting replaced in favor of learning to boost test scores. By the time I reached highschool the importance was on ap classes which I didn't take. Ap classes are designed for shit like the act and sat while common high-school classes are not. I couldnt understand how I'd failed so bad when I'd been good at taking tests before only to realize later on it was because my "basic" high-school classes had me grades behind ap students. The school board throws all the "worthless" kids to the wolves this way.
No. 2037723
>>2037711I'm a younger millennial so probably just a little older than you but in my English Lit AP class our teacher told us that many of her students the previous year admitted that they'd never read a whole novel the whole way through, ever. I think she said this to us as a way of being like 'ha ha current students, you would never be cringe right?' But then like a week later she assigned us a novel reading and essay assignment for over the christmas break, it was a classic novel but not a long/hard one. I read the book in 2 days and wrote an essay, handed it in and when we got back to school in January she told us the assignment was canceled because only one student read the book and the rest said it was too challenging. I repeat it was not a challenging type of classic lit, it wasn't Dostoevsky or Dickens or something, it was like a 200-page easy read. Back then I thought things couldn't get worse.
Then after university I ended up privately tutoring English and teaching writing classes and holy shit things got worse in the like 5-6 years since I'd been in high school. I had students who were outraged at me for telling them their writing was bad because 'I got a 99% in 12th grade English' who didn't even use periods at the end of sentences lmao? I went to the course coordinator for the course I was teaching to talk about how the students kept complaining to the dean about how their grades are bad 'even though their assignments are perfect' and she straight up told me 'no Anon you're not crazy, in the last 5 years we've been admitting people with higher and higher grades from high school, our current admissions average is almost 99%, but they are illiterate because the standards in high school keep dropping.' I ended up feeling genuinely bad for my students because they were told they were exceptional, 99% students while they didn't know how to use periods or capitalize and were mixing up common middle school words. Then the worst part of this is that the course coordinator asked me if I could hold a free extra class about how to write lmfao, because 'they most likely won't have any other classes in university where they get graded on their writing.'
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>>2037723>>2037753I'm
>>2037711And I agree that this is all preparing our youth to be faceless workers with poor paying jobs. But it just seems shocking to realize how long/far it's been going on. Like I said I moved around a lot and I remember as a child living in a literal drug town where only poor white druggies and equally poor illegal Hispanics lived and the education was so abysmal our fucking teacher had us COPY words for a "spelling test" we had no textbooks and I remember I forgot to return my reading textbook (something like picrel)from my previous school, and had it in my backpack. I showed it to my teacher who I kid you not seemed actually astonished by it and spent like an hour leafing through it. They don't want the masses to be intelligent, they want us poor and stupid like the druggies in that backward ass town. Bleak as hell.
No. 2037841
>>2037723I was reading at a "high school level" in 3rd grade, turns out it wasn't much of a compliment. This literacy issue isn't too new; I was tutoring university level English in 2015 and the students were just as dismissive and unable to conceptualize abstract ideas and put them to paper even then.
Listening to my grandmother, there has always been a portion of the population who is just retarded at this, but it seems that used to be reserved for hillbillies or obvious tropes of "uneducated" people. Now it's across the board, poor or rich, and you are an exception if you can read a paragraph and truly reflect on it.
I can imagine it will only get worse as generative AI makes actual writing disappear; many authors are using it even if they claim not to. It will also make analysis a thing you prompt for, not "do".
Do I think this is all intentional? Yes, the tech/ social media executives and developers deploy everything at their disposal to make their apps addictive, and block their own kids from using them. What the brain does not train, it discards. A population dependent on some sort of algorithm to do analysis will never have an original thought again (not to mention the fried dopamine receptors), all very useful for populace submission and revision of history.
No. 2037857
>>2037825I think there are way more 'intellectual' jobs now relative to how much 'intellectualism' is actually required to keep society running and this is a big part of why schools have stopped preparing children to be intellectuals.
>>2037841Lol same anon I got IQ tested to get into a special school program and they told me I was at a 'college' reading level (this was in third grade), even at the time I was like shit that's dark, not good at all and extremely disturbing. Like if a 3rd grader can read at a college level that doesn't say anything good about college students.
Similar experience to you (I'm AYRT), I started teaching the writing class in 2016 iirc. I was completely shocked at how low their reading comprehension was as well as their ability to put their ideas to paper, and I noticed something I had never noticed before which was that non-ESL students who were articulate and fluent in person actually wrote like they were ESL. It's clearly not even an issue of raw intelligence but the fact that young people are groomed to be illiterate, they sound intelligent when they talk but when they write you think they're someone who learned English on duolingo starting 2 months ago, extremely bizarre. As you say this included well-off students who went to elite private high schools. The only students I got who read and wrote at a high level were ironically ESL students who were doing student exchanges from wealthy EU countries like Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden who all wrote at a very high level in English even if they struggled to speak fluently.
I also share your concerns about AI 'analysis,' and unfortunately even relatively smart people are making excuses for why using AI to do their work is legit. I've (multiple times) heard the excuse that 'it still takes skill to use chatGPT to do homework because you still have to come up with a good prompt and decide which parts of the output are relevant', okay but you are still training yourself not to write at all and if you don't practice you lose the neuronal connections to be good at writing or analyzing things. Not to mention that chatGPT is straight up wrong a lot of the time.
Lastly I agree it's pretty
sus that Bill Gates type people ban their kids from even having social media for their entire childhoods; even if they helped develop the technology they know it's harmful for their kids but everyone else just falls for the idea it's an 'educational tool.' I remember the guy who made the 'Hammer and Dance' article about COVID suppression in 2020 that mainstream media kept shilling was actually not a scientist, he was an entrepreneur with an e-learning platform. Then in like 2021 I heard that he had 'joined hands' with Andrew Cuomo to make NY schools online around the time Cuomo made that 'brick and mortar schools may soon be obsolete' speech about NY state. There's obviously people who have been invested in getting rid of real feedback for learning for many years who are chomping at the bit to further dysregulate students' linguistic skills by plopping them behind a computer. When I took second language (third, in my case) classes in middle/high school we were only allowed to speak the second language in class and the teacher taught in the second language because it was assumed that exposure would make us pick up the language faster; now we have classes where kids don't have to irl talk and engage even in their first language and we expect them to develop proficiency just as quickly?
No. 2037920
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>>2037270I have seen child rights used to argue against pedo rights like they conflict. Like children have a right to be protected from pedos and a society that protects pedos but then I saw pedos using child rights concept to further their agenda and don’t want to use any words or concepts they use, even though they literally coopt everything, even the term safeguarding. They also claim to have their own way of safeguarding children but it’s really just protecting pedos and saying opposing pedos is what harms kids instead of pedos raping kids causing the harm.
The pedos have been winning. That is why there are elite pedo rings. Those have never not been the case. Pedos have always had the power to protect themselves.
No. 2037939
>>2037920The screenshot is fucked because even if you take Milo Yiannopoulos (a known liar and troll) at his word he was CSA'd at age 13 when most boys have hit puberty, which is still not okay but also imo a completely different experience than being molested pre-pubertally. I think being molested in early puberty might lead to a messed up mental state and messed up sexual drives but at least that's an age where you actually have a sex drive (especially boys), molestation at an age where you don't have any sex drive at all I think is a very different experience and I wish gay moids who dated older men in their teens wouldn't speak for every CSA
victim. It also wasn't his family member iirc and that's who molests a lot of CSA
victims, making them develop extreme trust problems. That makes me sound like I'm saying pedos who target teens are okay, I don't think so but I also don't think people who say they had a good sexual experience in their early teen years should speak for people who were molested at younger ages.
Anyway regarding the content of your post I think the reason that the 'child rights' mantra is so popular among pedos is because it can go either way. Like a lot of normies would see the phrase 'child rights' and associate it with rights for children not to be molested, not to be sex trafficked, not to be abused. Pedos use this natural bias people have to equate 'child rights' to 'child protection' in order to push for 'child autonomy' or 'child liberation' aka removing children from the protection of their parents and the law. It's a way of sneaking in ideas that children should be 'free' from their parents and adult guardians under the guise that parents/guardians might be
abusive. It paints parents/guardians who want to safeguard children as abusers limiting the choices of the children they are supposed to protect. Pedos are trying to flip the idea of child safeguarding from 'protecting children from predators' to 'protecting children from being told no, someone is predating on you.'
No. 2037951
>>2037939>I wish gay moids who dated older men in their teens wouldn't speak for every CSA victim.I get it, but i sometimes see them telling that they were molested at 4 and ended up "just fine". I always thought it's some kind of elaborate cope of a
victim, like they can't truly accept what happened to
them, so they end up propagating this. Plus, they're men, they might be wanting molesting children themselves now.
>>2037925Even if we ignore that "very little damage" is a lie, how can you just say that pedophilia is justifiable because of "very little" damage? Is "very little" damage to a child okay because pedophilic moid's sexual satisfaction is more important? What the actual fuck.
No. 2037955
>>2037948AYRT and blog but my first sexual experience was at age 12 with a female peer. A lot of people will say that's way too young to have a sexual experience and that it will scar you for life and honestly it was fine, I didn't end up scarred by it, I didn't end up hypersexual, even though I would never encourage any 12-year old I know to start having sexual experiences that young. I'm not a moid but I know that some moids are extremely pornsick by age 10-11 so I'm not going to deny that some of them might 'feel fine' with a sexual experience at that age, even if I think it's not good for kids at that age to be doing sexual shit.
When people (men, basically) who were CSA'd in their teen years minimize CSA trauma because 'I was fine' I just think they were fucked in the head to such a degree that they lost a big chunk of their empathy. How do they not understand how mentally damaging and humiliating it is for girls to be diddled by male relatives for example, even if they're 16-17yo? How do they not understand how damaging it is to be sexually molested when you're too young to know what sex is? I have a couple close friends who are CSA
victims and none of them ever cape for their abusers even a little bit, so I have to assume shills like Milo are either lying or so messed up by their experience that they reframed it as positive to cope. That's still not an excuse to cape for abusers.
No. 2037958
>>2037939Anybody who claims to have good sexual experiences as a minor raped by an adult shouldn’t talk for others and try to legitimize child rape and predation on youth for whatever fucked up reasons they claim not to have a problem with their experience. There’s a pedo in the documentary chickenhawk who says he was raped by an adult at 10 and thought it was empowering. Bullets for them all.
One of pedos propaganda is that children are sexual from birth. This is something that I’ve seen tied to kinseys research where he used some pedos recounting of rape of infants to argue children can enjoy sex. I saw that these researchers looked the other way while this research subject raped hundreds of kids without ever reporting him.
John money said in a pro pedo journal paidika that he never reports child rapists who are his subjects and today James cantor and other ray Blanchard associates want to make it illegal to report patients they know are raping children.
The study Peterson is defending and trying to legitimize was coauthored by a pedo activist/academic who had a history of writing for paidika too, which didn’t stop the APA from publishing his pedophilia propaganda as “science.” Not that any pedo legitimizing conclusions could ever be supported by “science,” but that particular paper has also been debunked as bad science too.
No. 2037971
>>2037958I agree with you but I also think most pedos who go on record saying they were CSA'd were lying, there's some documentation to back up the idea that a lot of pedos actually start making up stories to justify their pedophilia and it's common for them to make up fake CSA stories. It seems pretty obvious when you realize that women are more likely to experience CSA than men and yet they're only like 1% of CSA perpetrators if that - if being molested as a child predisposed you to child molestation you'd expect most child molesters to be women.
You're dead on with the Kinsey shit, John Money and others said the same shit. Freud said the same shit too. Lots of ideas that are still taught in modern psyc classes originated from moids who claimed children are sexual from birth and it's incredibly disturbing. I think Kinsey not only asked pedos but also tried to manually 'masturbate' male infants as well and claimed they attained orgasm even though we know that's basically physically impossible for infants, and this was considered 'mainstream science' for decades and at your local college a 20yo is probably learning about how great and smart Kinsey is right now as we speak.
I'm TA who mentioned Cantor in the first place, I will also mention that one of Cantor's 'star students' I forget his name now fled Mexico after 14 years of accusations about sexually harassing teenage students lmao. All these people are in a network and hide behind a 'respectable' academic guise. Some of the stories reported about James Cantor's student (another highly respected professor who was interviewed all over the news about pedoshit and porn, he was a huge porn and kink advocate) was that he made 17-20 year old female undergraduate students attend 'meetings' with him about their classes or homework while he played porn audio on his speakers the whole time.
I'm not sure which study Peterson was defending, do you know who wrote it? I'm aware of the Milo Yiannopoulous shilling of pedoshit but idk about the study.
No. 2037973
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I keep having Arab dating show up on my algorithm with accounts like arabtiktok. I typically like Arab posts but there's been a weird spam of women glorifying emotional abuse tactics from Arab men, like "when he tells everyone you're cheating and blocks you because you didn't reply at 3 am" and it's women (with suspicious accounts) calling it cute, ideal, etc like ??? And it's not even loving or clingy. These dudes will ditch you on your deathbed over what they think is cheating (which is basically you existing)
I know women fetishizes semi controlling moids (like twilight and 50 shades) why would you want a man to villianize you, run your name through the dirt and be distant with you? It feels like some weird psych op to get women to accept blatant abuse in a relationship
No. 2037975
>>2037973Not sure this belongs on the tinfoil thread since as you've pointed out it's out in the open but I think it's just simply that highly patriarchal religions are cults based off of abusing women, I don't think there's much more to it than that.
If any actual woman is idealizing this behaviour she's probably incredibly mindfucked by cultish religious beliefs herself or is too young to have ever been in a relationship with a moid, that's the only reason I can think any woman would find this behaviour cute or ideal.
No. 2037979
>>2037976I'm not sure if this is a genuine racial fetishist with a thing for
abusive arabian men, or if this is a sarcastic account that's meant to shit on arabian scrote qualities.
No. 2037982
>>2037975That's the suspicious part, it's a lot of women, not even Muslim women either idealizing this behavior. There's even a trend of "dating an Arab man" and then it's like an
abusive text like "die you cheating whore" and then a picture of dinner. Like did I miss something? What's the point of being in a relationship with an ultra controlling moid if he just pretends to hate you the entire time? At least twilight era moids give some sort of emotional validation instead of pretending like they're being betrayed and abused on the reg
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>>2037979It's not just this account though, it's a weird creepy trend that reads like a psych op
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>>2038004
Thanks anon your image isn't working but I found the study. Just reading the abstract briefly without knowing the background of any of these people it seems pretty clearly biased - the abstract says that when 'controlling for family environment' CSA victims aren't more disturbed than non-CSA victims. Wow shocking so the family environment of CSA victims is fucked up and damaging, and non-CSA victims sometimes also have fucked up and damaging family environments? Who knew? All this does is it suggests that pedo parents/family members are also otherwise incredibly abusive parents, which is not surprising at all.
I didn't know that Cantor was against mandatory reporting but that doesn't surprise me at all considering he was the key figure in making pedophilia allowable on twitter (picrel). I used to be able to google a bunch of mainstream articles about how exactly he convinced twitter to allow MAPs on the platform but now I can barely find anything except my picrel, I'm wondering if leftist news sources took their articles down.
No. 2038017
>>2037857>'brick and mortar schools may soon be obsolete' >people who have been invested in getting rid of real feedback for learning for many years who are chomping at the bit to further dysregulate students' linguistic skills by plopping them behind a computer. Its all an utter failure; the school computer used to be a beacon of a tech-literate, educated child sitting and being productive, it is usually not the case now but parents and schools still see it that way and put them behind screens when possible. I worked in the digital education sector for a couple years, building multimedia for educating students and it was only somewhat successful for a few kids who are naturally very bright, diligent, and don't need much feedback. The others that struggle had a hard time without the attention they needed and others didn't care, just cheated. The thing is that the parents and educators presiding over the courses did not care if they cheat as they just want a passing score.
The big problem is building education around quantitative results such as scores, and disregarding the qualitative benefits of a truly enriching school; even something as simple as a game of kickball or a school flower garden teaches kids cooperation more than a video and multiple choice quiz about the topic, and gives a bit more meaning to life. I could rant about this but I'm no fan of the current state of physical schools either.
As far as ESLs having a better grasp of English, in my case as an ESL I feel that I was less embarrassed to "speak good" than my classmates, having an accent sort of gives you a pass to talk differently, but if my non-ESL friend used the word "perceive" out loud for example, she'd lightly get made fun of by others. English is also a secondary skill for us so we view it as something in our arsenal to keep sharp, whereas domestics kinda see it as something invisible that doesn't need enhancement or maintenance as long as their lingo is on trend.
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>>2037971James Cantor does a lot of suspicious things. He said pedos should be in the lgbt and he said pedos are driven by love like adult orientations. He does things which have an impact on law enforcement like advocating for ending mandatory reporting and I really want to know if he has failed to report patients or research subjects he knew were raping kids even though he would be breaking the law he doesn’t agree with and campaigns against. Other forensic psychs pushing his same pedos can’t help it and can be non offending line have done that in the past (picrel and there’s more cases). Those were psychs with ties to Catholic Church csa cover ups, false memory syndrome foundation, and serial killers like Jeffrey Dahmer. I don’t know if Cantor’s an upward failure or deliberately putting out a ruse to deflect from some other purpose his crews antics conceal.
The study is the rind report which the apa had to backtrack and retract after publishing it like they always have to do when they try to legitimize the pedo agenda line and get “conservative backlash.” Then people like Peterson denounce the apa for caving in to the backlash and criticize them for putting moral concerns above “science.”
It is by Rind, Tromovitch, and Bauserman and called “A Meta-Analytic Examination of Assumed Properties of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples.”Bauserman had also written articles for Paidika, The Journal of Pedophilia.
Like this is
extremely well known and has been a huge scandal and rehashed a million times by the time Jordan Peterson dragged it back up in 2019!! and tried to legitimize it as one of his many “unspeakable truths” like his claims that women having any political power is the cause of all of societies problems.
About Freud, he actually started out discovering that his patients were being abused by their family members, and then got somehow pressured to change it to all kids have messed up sexual ideations about their parents or whatever it is. I haven’t researched this but it’s recounted in a book called the assault on truth which I have always intended to read. I think in the development of sex science cantor and Kinsey type stuff departed from Freud too.
No. 2038025
>>2038017I went to a reasonably wealthy elementary school and we had typing and tech-literacy classes for about an hour a day 2-3 days a week (I still type weird so it didn't really work but I type really fast at least lol). Other than typing we learned how to browse the internet and save files, use basic image editing programs and word processors. I don't think giving kids that age any more computer education will really help them, honestly the 2-3 hours a week I got in the 90s-early 2000s was enough to become a fast typist and learn basic computer literacy skills. I have college students in my classes now who don't know how to save a file or use even the most basic functions on excel so obviously giving kids tablets all day every day in class didn't increase their tech literacy.
Even to the extent I became a very fast typist, it was usually from hanging out on chatrooms and forums as a kid, not from our typing classes. Now your average late-elementary child is learning to type on a phone with autocomplete, again replacing basic useful skills with AI algos. It's the same with phys-ed; like you're saying, teaching kids cooperation and coordination via some sport or physical game they like is more useful than hundreds of hours of swiping a tablet or trying to guess the correct response to a quiz. I unironically hate all those 'cognitive' quiz games that became popular recently, they're not actually especially useful.
Regarding the ESL thing technically speaking I'm ESL too although I learned English early enough it's my dominant language. I'm not saying that my ESL college students were better at speaking English (they weren't), I'm saying their EU education taught them to write much better in English than EFL students I had who spoke articulately and fluently. I have never before experienced a situation where someone speaks in an intelligent, articulate way, but then when you ask them to write it down it reads like a mentally retarded person wrote it down. Theoretically speaking if you can say something out loud eloquently and rationally with perfect grammar, and you are literate, you should be able to write down exactly what you just said and it should sound equally intelligent. But my college classes had a problem where they would talk like intelligent people, and would write like 6 year olds. I don't even know how to explain or describe this phenomenon. What made it weirder is when I would correct them or give them bad grades, they got very upset and told me that their assignments were perfect.
No. 2038026
>>2036653As far as I’ve seen this is like the article on this but I’m sure there’s more. Apparently the masses of Belgium held a general strike when they felt that elite pedos were being protected and almost overthrew the government so I would assume it’s pretty widely held belief.
My memory of it isn’t very good but it’s generally like that.
It’s funny this guy has other articles on his site complaining about how Alex Jones used to publish his articles but wouldn’t publish this one and this guy couldn’t even pay Jones to publish it. He thinks it’s because it talks about a right wing or conservative elite pedo ring.
No. 2038033
>>2038025>What made it weirder is when I would correct them or give them bad grades, they got very upset and told me that their assignments were perfect.that's got to be some sort of fallacy some people get. I've even seen this at work, people write one sentence in an email and then act like they wrote a paragraph and explained everything clearly already, when they certainly didn't. I think they assume the knowledge in their head is transposed because they wrote a bit down and it's all connected in their head, and don't have the presence of mind to view their work from another's POV.
>But my college classes had a problem where they would talk like intelligent people, and would write like 6 year olds. Comments and text messages are some people's only experience in writing, it shows.
>we learned how to browse the internet and save files, use basic image editing programs and word processorsI had to help my younger zoomer cousin with an essay and she didn't know how to navigate a desktop computer or use paint or word. I told her how to create a summary paragraph and she just copy+pasted the introductory paragraph. We've regressed. I fully believe like half the tax money we pour into education is embezzled in one way or another.
No. 2038035
>>2038018I'm the same anon who responded to you before but just to address the thing you added about Freud: yeah I actually knew this too and it's always bothered me a lot that basically no one gets taught this in psyc classes. I don't know if Freud 'got got' by someone or just was a pedoshit himself but it's interesting how at first he would actually argue his female patients were trauma
victims and then eventually retconned all his research to say that they just wanted to fuck their dads. Dark, either way.
No. 2038046
>>2038033>don't have the presence of mind to view their work from another's POV.It definitely could be this at least in part but honestly in my experience it's even worse than that, the only way I can explain it is that these people are partially illiterate. Yeah the fact they think they can sum up a paragraph of speech in one garbled sentence of text is part of the problem but a bigger problem is that they could not spell simple words, did not understand grammar or punctuation, would write entire paragraphs of nonsense run-on sentences with thesaurus words sprinkled in (that didn't mean what they think they mean) but wouldn't even put one period or comma in for half a page. Like a lot of them wrote what I can only describe as 'AI generated' writing, but I know it was not generated by chatGPT because it actually generates decent writing. It was like a robot prototype from 2004 tried to write a paper. I literally can't even explain it properly because it doesn't make sense in my head how someone can speak eloquently but write so badly.
Regarding kids not being able to navigate desktop computers I fully believe it's because most schools started using tablets as educational tools instead of actual computers. The quality of other education is bad but also kids are so used to using apps on touch screens they feel like a PC is dinosaur technology now.
No. 2038047
>>2038037I think (and hope) she was saying the scrotes were
abusive? Most of the texts involve the scrotes saying disgusting things about their partners and trying to make up for it with money
No. 2038065
>>2038035I guess that’s a tinfoil of mine but other people say this too. I don’t think any of these psychs are driven solely by being pedos and if they are, they’re selected to their positions of influence for that reason. Maybe some other forces contribute feedback. Either way, they’re not merely pedos. They’re knowingly or unknowingly connected to elite pedo networks and the protection of them which includes normalization of pedophilia in the culture to whatever extent. Even if it will never be successful they can get away with protecting pedos wherever they can, under the radar often times.
I think Freud was got by his overlords. People say his patients were children of wealthy families.
No. 2038069
>>2038065I think a lot of prominent academics around that era were actual pedos or pedo supporters (Sartre, Foucault, many of their contemporaries and then people who came slightly later like Judith Butler), so I would not be extremely surprised if early sexologists like Freud and Kinsey were too, but it is interesting that Freud didn't start out pedo-pandering and only started doing it later, like he got shut up or convinced by someone. I don't really have a working theory of who initially introduced these ideas but it's obvious that around the time of most of the Frankfurt School philosophers pedo pandering became mainstream in that school of philosophy, also bled into psychiatry and other fields, and now these are considered the main originators of modern philosophical and psychiatric thought.
You're probably right that people sending their kids to see Freud were rich pedo scrotes, it's not the first time I've heard this theory.
No. 2038086
>>2038079Yeah I was TAing for around 6 years throughout graduate school and it literally got worse every single year. But the problem was that they couldn't make the acceptance standards any more stringent because we were already only accepting the top students from high school and had a very low acceptance rate. It felt hopeless to realize these were the very best, cream of the crop students from their high schools.
As you mentioned I'm just trying to outrun the devaluation of my degrees at this point because there is no way people with an education will be taken seriously at this point. We also weren't allowed to fail more than around 5% of students, so if 50% of them couldn't meet basic standards we would be forced to pass them anyway even if they literally got under 50% on their assignments. Everything ended up getting curved.
No. 2038192
>>2038069>>2038035No one teaches this because it isn't quite true. Freud was constantly editing, correcting his own theories which often leads people to assume he has totally retconned something or that he contradicts himself. I used to be very receptive to feminist critiques of Freud before realizing some of them actually didn't read or really bother to learn the terminology. Feminists had (still have) a hate boner for psychonalaysis (very understandably, it was used to pathologize women who weren't happy about submission in the 50s, etc.) but this spills onto Freud even if the historical context isn't exactly the same. The thing is, he wasn't reactionary relative to his time. If you read his works and correspondence he seems very aware of how pervasive SA was among the people he treated, and it was central to some of his most famous theories (like 'hysteria' as a result of trauma and repression)
>>2037939Gay moids lie all the time when it comes to stuff like this. I've seen several gay men admit to hating how frequent rape and assault is in their scenes, only to completely flip in public/on SNS. Gay men have a vested interest in not bringing attention to grooming because they fear any discussion of this will foster homophobia. Of course some of them are still honest about how creepy it was to date 40 yos as teenagers, but i'm really not surprised Milo spins it as something sexy.
I used to think it was entierely cope but this gay denial of abuse is related to pedo apology. Foucault hung out with early french gay liberation intellectuals who were obsessed with defending pederasty as an essential part of gay culture. One of them (Hocquenghem) said something similar to Yiannopoulos, detailing how he has always loved old moids so it must mean that man-boy relationships are okay.
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>>2038192I don’t know psychoanalysis and I haven’t read the assault on truth but I am more familiar with the psychs of today and the sexual revolution who rationalize sexual abuse of children and of women, alternately claiming science and “listening” to activists. Somehow their “science” always proves feminists wrong. Then they are constantly exposed as having been pressured by abuse activists. They admit to fitting their theories to demands of gay activists or pedos and are constantly found to have connections to larger more relevant sources of pedo power like the elites and deep state. They are exposed time and time again for influencing and interfering in law enforcement. Even before Freud this was a characterization of the relationship between psychs pedo activists and elite pedos. So I wouldn’t doubt Freud followed the same dynamics as those that came after him.
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Genuinely afraid women's rights are going to crater over the next few decades in america, canada and western europe as these countries mass import people from sexist cultures to make up for the citizens not having enough babies
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Paul Bonacci came forward claiming to have been involved in this kidnapping. The parents say he knew details about the case and the
victim that were not released to the media so they believe him. He has connections to the Franklin credit union pedophile ring and to Michael Aquino, mentioned in this article:
https://isgp-studies.com/belgian-x-dossiers-of-the-dutroux-affair#USconnectionPsychs sometimes tell the public they are just listening to nambla or nambla connected groups like b4u act when they get pressured about their insane pro pedo actions and “science.” It gets portrayed as wokie woke leftism being the cause of whatever is going on with all this.
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>>2038373This reminds me of a tactic many pedophiles use which is to claim
victims have "false memory syndrome" which is a term coined by an foundation formed by pedos and feds. It closed down in 2019 but the term is still being used today to silence
victims of abuse.
>As is well-known, the FMSF was created by Pamela and Peter Freyd, after the husband of their adult daughter, Professor Jennifer Freyd, privately accused Peter Freyd of sexually abusing her when she was a child. Peter and Pamela Freyd, along with Ralf Underwager, a psychologist and Lutheran minister, and his wife Hollida Wakefield, joined with accused parents and then spent considerable energy assembling a broader academic and intellectual group to add credibility to their claims that clients in therapy were ‘making up’ stories of abuse.https://news.isst-d.org/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-false-memory-syndrome-foundation/ No. 2038903
>>2038839I really can't understand what's going on in Canada rn, maybe it makes their economic numbers look better in the short-term but long term, they're just going to create a massive underclass of both citizens and foreigners. It's not like the people they're importing are going to bring high value entrepreneurship and innovation that Canada needs right now.
And all this hand wringing over population seems dumb when really, AI and climate change are going to bring changes that mean a smaller population is better anyway… Really feels like countries will import a billion foreigners and pressure women to have 3+ children, then turn around and be like "Oh actually there's not enough water and ubi for all these people, lets just let a bunch of them die"
No. 2038911
>>2038899I heard Canadians can get a fast tracked citizenship to the US or something? You should get out before Canada really goes to shit and USA changes that. I'm almost positive that once the canadian citizenships start rolling in for a certain immigrant group, they're going to immediately jump to USA with that advantage and it'll ruin it for everyone
Also sometimes I wonder if this Canadian mass immigration is really just a test run by certain powers for massive immigration to the USA to destabilize it further
No. 2038998
>>2037256kate up and disappearing was not in my 2024 bingo cards at all. i follow royal gossip for fun and i really do not know what to make of this situation. i do remember lots of very odd stories coming out towards the end of last year about her and william fighting and claims that he was hitting her or something similar or that they were both whacking each other upside the head. it was really odd. i think what's even more bizarre is that his alleged mistress rose hanbury has now been trotting her ass around in public at events related to the royal family and everyone is just tee heeing along like there's absolutely nothing strange about this???? she was pictured recently with camilla and charlotte tillbury and everyone just seemed perfectly happy and with not a care in the world.
idk, to me this whole situation actually unsettles me a lot. if you know kate's entire backstory, she and her mother did everything in their power to get into buckingham palace and into that damn family. her mother did everything she could to make sure her daughter married william and that she would get that cursed sapphire ring on her hand. then the idea that she can just "disappear" so conveniently and now the royal press is soft launching her replacement when we were told, quite aggressively, that rose and william were just simply neighbors, makes me ill because of the absolutely callousness of it all. i don't particularly care for kate given her mumbling persona, her unabashed laziness and some of the things her and her trashy family said and did to meghan markle, but this is still weird as fuck and i feel like it's bordering on a psyops at this point.
but of course anytime you point out how bizarre it is that a grown woman in her 40's with three children can just magically vanish into thin air, that there's been apparently no confirmed physical sightings of her since fall 2023 without so much of a fart from her so-called loving husband and family, you get told you're being too nosy and that she'll come back when she's ready. these are the same people who go into histrionic meltdowns whenever meghan isn't seen outside in over a month and are constantly finding new and various ways to stereotype her as the evil black lady when she's just minding her business. if the situation was reversed, i do not think that people would be as sympathetic nor would there be so much effort to downplay a woman disappearing when the woman who vanished is already the focus of the press's hateful fixation and prejudices.
i'm just fully waiting for will and rose to get married or at least start openly going out together. it sounds nuts but i really wouldn't be all that surprised if mi5 was behind some of the weirdness going on. there's a clear interest in phasing kate out of the royal family and i fully expect them to act like she and will were never married to begin with. i don't really get the vibe that she's dead but i also don't want her to be dead because it's just too crazy, even for me.
No. 2039042
>>2038998I agree with you, something very weird is going on with Kate. It's weird that the royal family is going to such lengths to pretend that she is fine. The photoshopped family picture, the body double out for a stroll. I think she's either dead, or in a coma, and that's why she's not being seen. If she's dead, how and why? I had heard rumors that she had ovarian cancer, but unless they really dropped the ball, the family's press should have been able to soft ball her decline and death to the public. Which leaves dying suddenly of something else. I kinda doubt the prince killed her because there was no ramp up to the violence, and even if you're fighting everyday, it's a jump to murdering your wife. But if he didn't kill her, why is her death being hidden?
No. 2039082
>>2039042>But if he didn't kill her, why is her death being hidden?that's what bothers me a lot about this situation. why are they always so secretive about things???? then these are the same people who scoff at you for believing in conspiracies when they act conspiratorial themselves. they did the same thing with queen elizabeth when she died; apparently her death time may not be accurate and it's rumored that she died perhaps a week, even a month, before it was officially announced. it's just fucking bizarre. the only likely explanation you could for is she may have offed herself. i just really don't know.
>>2039073the crown is on its last legs and they're holding on for dear life because they know it's about to be over for them all. ever since elizabeth died it's just been one stupid numpty thing after the other. no one likes camilla, charles is probably going to die within the next year or so, and none of the younger crew are really fit to be doing anything in public. william is clearly a piece of shit and it's getting harder and harder to pretend otherwise. for some dumb fucking reason they feel like they can't just say the man wants to divorce his wife and get with rose because they don't want to have another princess diana situation and lose whatever remaining popularity they have, which is none. they want to keep william in the spotlight and make sure he looks like a doting father and loving husband when in reality he's an unpleasant, out of touch balding brat. the funny thing is though the firm that runs the family is so delusional, they're basically causing their own undoing. there is no positive way to spin back the where is kate scandal unless she reappears again in public, no ai or body doubles, which is apparently not going to happen as now they're claiming that she's unlikely to make anymore public appearances for the foreseeable future…which is just a nice way of saying she's never coming back, ever. this is despite telling the public she was definitely going to be at the trooping the color in june…
No. 2039460
>>2037723>'they most likely won't have any other classes in university where they get graded on their writing.'unfortunately so so so true. not from burgerland but a burger satellite state and its the same here. im going back for a second degree in sci after having previously completed a degree in a very niche philosophical discipline (my course was also very small, class sizes were never more than 20) and im actually shocked at the level of literacy of the younger undergrads im around. in my previous degree, our writing was held to an extremely strict standard. i recently had to do a group project which by the submission date i was convinced my group would fail because i (stupidly) allowed one of the teenagers to edit once we had all contributed our parts and only looked over the finished work morning of submission. i had to scramble madly to make anything outside of my contribution even logically coherent. they werent even consistent with tenses within their own contribution sections, let alone consistent with voice or citation style across the assignment. that project was the worst piece of crap ive ever had to submit, i was humiliated by the low quality… but we got a fucking B+.
the degree i am doing is largely considered premed too, so these retards will probably be fucking up our prescriptions one day lol
>>2037753i agree that they are deliberately maintaining an uneducated working underclass however as per my little story above many of these people are already in the pipeline for qualifications that will grant them more prestigious careers. i have a family member who is a professor of medicine and works on a few medical journals and she wants to quit her educational and editorial roles because quality not just of her med students but also of actual submitted medical studies has declined so much in the past decade that its making her despondent
No. 2039612
>>2038192i appreciate you setting the pervasive psychoanalysis mythology straight anon…
i really cant be bothered with getting into why the way everyone talks about oedipal theory is ignorant and reductive but it irks me so much lol.
>>2038373>Even before Freud this was a characterization of the relationship between psychs pedo activists and elite pedos.which pre-freud psychologist/s are you referring to exactly? im not sure i really follow what you mean here.
>>2038899rewrite the schizo post anon i want to read it, the lack of nation thing is particularly interesting to me as an australian
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>>2039612https://web.archive.org/web/20210622001838/https://joanofmark.blogspot.com/2009/11/regarding-infamous-letter-that-engels.html?m=11869 before Freuds work before the first sexological work psychopathia sexualis where pedophilia the term was coined only in or after 1888 or something, Marx and Engels knew what it was about and about pedo activism and research and “pedos can be non offending”. But psychs hadn’t gotten around to being the mediator yet. Obviously that was a later development, but the content of what they’d come in to legitimize shortly after are there. These were the most advanced social scientists of their time and still are today. Well maybe some Marxists have surpassed them.
No. 2039694
>>2038589The problem is importing immigrants from countries with a male-surplus, like China and India. Canada right now has a quarter of a million more men than women between the ages of 18 to 29, that disparity is only going to get worse. Mass immigration to Canada from the subcontinent, via “chain migration”, has been at an all time high and it’s going to get even higher. A quick Google Search will tell you India has between 37,000,000 to 40,000,000 extra men… due to selective sex abortions of women. Even after the practice was outlawed it’s still going on today. Since 2007 around ~100,000 female fetuses per year get aborted in India due to son preference. Similar to China during the one child policy era: female fetuses would be aborted or set for international adoption. That gender imbalance and all the downstream issues that come along with it? Canada is importing just that. Male surplus is one of the worst things to happen to a society. The ideal gender ratio is about 70-77 men per 100 women. We used to be able to lower the amount of men through mass incarceration, dueling, dangerous jobs, wars, colonization/exploration, adventurism, etc. Now we can change the gender birth rates through supplements, diet, liver metabolites—The world has too many sons when what it needs are surplus daughters. Everybody wins if we just lower the ratio of men to women. Less male-patterned violence, more love and creation.
No. 2039786
>>2036182>>2036176The whole push to erode children's safety nets, the whole "kids can consent to transition" debate, easy access to porn by children and some bizarre phenomenons like Elsagate, and just exceedingly sexual media is make me believe that it is true tbh.
Wasn't a few weeks again that Germany approved more lax laws on hold CSAM?
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>>2038821Yes abuse
victims are lying, sexualizing/blaming kids instead of acknowledging grooming and abuse by adults is an old story and tactic championed by feds, loser rapists and redditors. I am sure it takes many forms.
Idk psychoanalysis, but this author says he trained for 8 years and this is the standard take on abuse recollection in psychoanalysis? I have no desire to learn it to argue yet again to more psychs that they are not just too complex and nuanced and I just don’t understand. They are easily shown to be full of shit , biased abuser sympathizers or manipulated by abusers at best. I feel I can confidently do that against someone like cantor who immediately blocked me.
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>>2039869why would children fantasize about being raped? it makes no sense but it’s typical pedo gas lighting and criminal insanity to claim children are innately sexual so pedos need to rape them and also “educate them” or “guide them” via rape.
No. 2040037
>>2039869>>2039902Can you link to the source for this anon?
I'm NTA who originally brought up Freud's changing beliefs but I've read enough Freud/Jung (and read enough about the history of how Freud's beliefs changed) to be unconvinced by takes like 'oh feminists who think his pedo clientele made him change his mind just aren't deep and educated enough.' There might be some nuggets of truth in some of his writings about the oedipal complex and not everything he wrote about was straight pedo-pandering but I think people give way too much credit to Freudian theories in general. After over 100 years of modern psychiatry the therapy/psychiatry fields are still full of barely-evidenced bullshit and their methods don't work for most people, plus as another anon mentioned other highly motivated subfields of psychology keep cropping up like the 'false memory syndromes' theories which were initially pushed by people accused of CSA against their daughter. The leading expert in 'false memory syndromes' was one of Weinstein's expert witnesses in his trial by the way, and argued that Weinstein's
victims had false memories of his abuse implanted. I do think it's possible for therapists to sometimes gaslight patients into developing false memories but it's pretty suspicious that whenever these psyc theories crop up and make someone really famous they largely serve to discredit and minimize the accounts of
victims. No matter how many actual pedo rings are discovered (some of which do use forms of ritualistic abuse) people will continue to believe that
victims of powerful perpetrators are just misremembering or fantasizing or had a memory implanted by a therapist. I think even the 'satanic ritual abuse' craze probably had some truth behind it, in the sense that while idk if these kids were part of satanic rituals, they might be remembering real abuse and embellishing it as a way to try to work through and make sense of their experiences.
No. 2040060
>>2038903Canada is already paving the way for euthanasia for anyone who's too expensive for the medical or social services system so I have a hard time believing the same government pushing MAID for depressed people or veterans in wheelchairs who need a stair lift is also really concerned with maintaining the population. They want to import cheap low-wage workers maybe, but a lot of the immigrants they're importing aren't even willing to do low wage physical labor and are a huge drain on taxes so I don't believe that's the full reason. There's many countries including Canada that used the covid pandemic to push through a bunch of DNR orders or use euthanasia drugs like midalozam on their elderly, which seems like an attempt to get rid of people who are a drain on taxes, but then they give 10s of thousands of tax dollars per person to the illegal immigrants they import who claim they can't work or go outside in the winter because it's too cold. Something isn't adding up but I'm not sure what exactly the goal is.
Regarding the idea of getting rid of nations I think it's pretty straightforwardly true, there's been an increasing push for a 'global economy' and global laws, even this new WHO treaty is trying to sneak in a way for unaccountable world government bureaucrat/NGO types to tell national governments what to do even if the citizens disagree. Ideas of nation (national sovereignty, culture, currency) lead to protectionism and anti-interventionism which is bad for the international war machine, and also lead to the idea that elected governments are supposed to listen to their own electorate rather than other elites in other countries, which none of these people in elite positions like because they want to take what power is left away from citizens. Just look at how sovereignty was a dirty word for years in countries like Canada and the UK (the deranged hatred for Brexit even though it was popular even with UK leftists) only to be dredged back up as a slogan for the Ukrainian (NATO proxy) war. The whole EU is another example of how they don't want nation states and national sovereignty.
No. 2040077
>>2039460AYRT and I have a very similar experience to you although I didn't do a humanities degree, but I did take humanities classes 10+ years ago and the standards for the writing were pretty exacting, to the point that if you exceeded a word limit by one word you would lose points and you would lose points for any grammar errors. When I started grading writing in these classes a few years later we weren't even officially allowed to enforce word limits unless students were hundreds of words over or under, we were told not to let punctuation or spelling/grammar affect the grades, and I was actually told not to give students zero even if I caught them plagiarising - we were supposed to give multiple warnings for plagiarism first and not to report students who were plagiarizing. Many of my students were also in premed type fields, although I had students from a bunch of different degrees since I was teaching a basic class about experimental methods and academic writing that a lot of different people signed up for.
Submitted medical studies have declined in quality for a bunch of different reasons though and I'd argue the main one isn't retards who can't write right. I actually think the main reason is that there's such a heavy emphasis on getting a high H score via publications and there's such an emphasis on publishing stat sig findings that people are just incentivized to publish any research with a positive finding, no matter how shitty and even if they have to fraud their way through the stats to get a significant finding they will do so. The peer review process just simply doesn't give reviewers the time or, in most cases, the resources to check people's math or go into depth about their methods, so the peer review process doesn't protect much against fraud either. The quality of writing has gone down so much though that it's changing how the editorial structure at medical journals works - I have a close friend who worked as an editor for a medical journal (she has a biochemistry degree) but more than half the editors hired while she worked there were English Lit and Journalism graduates because they had such a heavy need for copyeditors. These people were in similar roles functionally as my friend though, they had the ability to flag papers for approval despite having no medical background so they had no way of knowing whether the methods or stats were legitimate or the topic of the paper was even interesting. Scientific journals are kind of a racket at this point anyway, they get paid by submitters, they get paid by libraries and universities for access, and they get paid by the government as well. There's no incentive for them to reduce the number of publications which is why journals like the Lancet or JAMA now have 15 different sub-journals on every possible topic, they make more money the more they publish. My friend who worked for a medical journal said that when they'd get truly shitty unpublishable papers they were supposed to suggest the authors resubmit to one of the journals lower-impact offshoots instead, rather than just rejecting them outright.
No. 2040143
>>2040098>The actual big protest in the capital.Kek I lived in one of the downtown neighbourhoods during this protest. Living through that and witnessing it in person That protest actually disillusioned me completely and it made me realize that there can be no real sustainable social change or social revolution in the age of the internet and mass media. Every single piece of media, whether a TV show, a Tweet, a documentary, etc., completely lied about everything. They exaggerated everything. Left wing mass media and right wing mass media both portrayed something that was completely unlike what really happened & totally removed from the reality of the situation. There was no "big protest," there were 6 or so streets downtown that were blocked off by large trucks and people from the mostly Quebec and Alberta that came into the city for the protest. All they did was sit around in their cars, or in the beginning congregate in the downtown core. The BLM protest that happened the year prior actually had more people attend and more people were congregating downtown that the trucker convoy, it's just it was much shorter and there was no traffic blockages. The protestors consisted of mostly white middle-aged men, sometimes accompanied by their wives and children. I remember that this was the most difficult thing for me to witness, was that it seemed only the men were really dedicated to their cause, the sight of unhappy wives, and children taken out of school and forced to live in their car for 2+ weeks because daddy saw a Facebook post that made him so angry he uprooted not only his life but the people he's supposed to love. I saw so many cold scared children locked in cars that should have been in school or at home in a warm bed. Most men would spend the day getting drunk (beer cans were littered everywhere) or getting high (all dispensaries downtown were completely flooded during these weeks with these 'protestors' buying copious amounts of weed) and then conclude the night by honking their horns for hours or partying on the street. It was so pathetic. All I could think about is how small these men's lives were, that they could just simply get up off their couches drive half way across the country and drag their poor families along with them for weeks at a time. I thought how many people lost their jobs from being away for so long, if they even had jobs to begin with, and how much time the children will have to make up for missing that much school. Most city-dwellers were just mildly annoyed by the protest. I remember nobody I knew caring about it, most were moving on as usually but just annoyed that there was such honking. It was completely misinterpreted in the media, so much so that whenever I've talked to someone about it who wasn't in Ottawa at the time, I'm amazed by all the fake news that came out of that event. The right wing media portrayed this event like it was a grassroots peaceful protest against government tyranny by working-class heroes motivated by the cause of freedom, before being violently repressed by the evil government: the left wing media portrays it as though it was a riot of never before seen proportions sparked by white nationalism and fascist rhetoric when rightists invaded the capital to overthrow the government and clashed with police while they ransacked the city. What really happened is a bunch of no-life losers got tricked by Facebook posts and started malding so hard they drove half way across the country to get drunk, stoned, and party with other like-minded people and scream "Fuck Trudeau!" It was an embarrassing event because there was no real plan, no real meaning, no real purpose, it was just a bunch of middle-aged men coming together to commiserate about how their lives didn't play out how they had wanted.
>what actually made the government panic was people blockading border transitThis is true but not through the way you think. The reason the government took the border thing more seriously than the Ottawa protests was not because they were afraid it would damage the Canadian economy, but because they were afraid it would damage the American economy. The Canadian government is in the hands of the American monopolists. Most Canadian senators and MPs have extensive holdings not in Canadian stock, but in American stock. They don't care about damaging the Canadian economy because the only thing the senators, MPs, and ministers really need control over is the housing market. They have the biggest investments in housing, and they know a housing crisis improves their profits so they aren't actually interested in improving the situation. The Canadian government was afraid of the American business owners and government's reaction to the border blockages, not the reaction of Canadian business owners or citizens. Only when the protests threatened to hurt the American economy, that's what spurred the government to move hastily to end the protests.
No. 2040155
>>2040143I already responded to the first version of this post but I kind of disagree with the part that you added. The people in trucks at least were literally people who had (key, necessary) jobs which were about to be taken away by a new government mandate so I don't agree with the characterization of 'they just got brainwashed by some facebook post.' They realized they were about to lose their jobs so they thought protesting had a chance of letting them keep their jobs, which ultimately they were right about because the government did drop the new mandates. The protest worked for some of its main aims even if a lot of its aims got pretty silly and non-specific.
Regarding the protest being portrayed as a riot of never-before-seen proportions it reminds me of Jan 6th in the US though and how the media managed to convince like half of americans and most people in other countries that there was an unprecedented violent insurrection when it was like maybe not even 1000 naive middle aged people (and a handful of feds) milling around doing nothing of particularly great importance. We've gotten to the point where the media can convince anyone that any protest is as big, small, violent or non-violent as they say it is, which goes back to your original point that protest is no longer a real option to cause social change in most cases. A protest could be big or small, effective or ineffective but as long as there's a media chokehold on information that gets out to the general public it basically doesn't matter what the protest is about, how many people show up or what their aims are, it will get a spin that the government wants it to get and will be defanged. The only protest movements I can really see working now are movements where 5-10% of the entire population all protest at the same time in their respective cities and all spread word-of-mouth info about it, otherwise they will just end up meaningless.
No. 2040163
>>2040155Yeah sorry I deleted it because I wanted to add that and I didn't realize someone had already responded kek.
>The people in trucks This is the thing though, there weren't that many truckers. The majority (I'd say 90%) of the people that came to the protests were either Albertans or Quebecers that were just angry at the federal government. I remember being so weirded out by the insistence that it was a trucker thing because even though it was the maybe 2 dozen truckers that started the whole thing, the vast majority of people were just normies that read about it on Facebook. The other thing is that by that point in time, over 90% of truckers had already received 2-3 doses of the vaccine. It really was just another case of pandemic mass hysteria in my opinion. I'd go as far as to say the toilet paper rampages in 2020 were more significant .
>Regarding the protest being portrayed…no longer a real option to cause social change in most cases.I agree with your point there. I just remember being so disillusioned because it really hammered home that the media is not reliable for any information, only your own eyes are. You mention 5-10% of the population, but I remember coming across this fact in books that only 3-4% of a country's population has to be active and staunch in a revolution for the revolution to succeed. I think the problem with any protest past 2001 is that there are no strong ideological leaders, no platform that they can agree on, and barely anybody has the brain power to read and understand and critique ideology anymore. Post-modernism and consumerism took over as the main ideologies of our era. It seems like protesting is more of a social party in our days.
No. 2040194
>>2040163Every source I can find both on the left and right says there were around 150-250 long haul trucks there so definitely more than two dozen. That's obviously a tiny minority of all the long-haul trucks in canada but I think characterizing it as 'people who choose to lose their jobs just to attend a protest' is a little strange considering the main reason these people protested was fear of losing their jobs. Even if 90% of other long-haul truckers already got vaccinated, my impression is the ones protesting were the people who didn't, and they thought that protesting to keep their jobs would work (which ultimately it did, although like I said it's more likely due to the border blockaders than the people protesting in Ottawa). On the other hand speaking to the point of actual protest-protests not working, there were other professions that were threatened with 'you'll be fired if you're not vaccinated' mandates like health care workers, and in places like Quebec or the UK they ended up not getting fired because 30-40% of them refused vaccines, which led to the whole mandate being dropped without requiring any actual standing in front of government building protests. This leads me to believe that general forms of peaceful noncompliance are actually just as effective as active protesting. The trucker protests worked to some degree imo, but also backfired to some degree because of the large amount of media spin that was put on them, whereas 30% of Quebec nurses just quietly refusing to get vaccines worked faster and with less effort. I also disagree that the trucker protest was a case of pandemic mass hysteria, it was blowback to pandemic mass hysteria, and it did lead to mandates being dropped for the whole country despite the bad press.
You might be right that 3-4% is enough for a revolution, but since we already have that number of people who basically non-participate in society, I think probably more people than that are required to actually change something in the modern era. NEETs changed the whole landscape and there are more NEETs than we think. The issue is that people with 'similar' basic political platforms get divide-and-conquered and fragmented by media propaganda such that even if you have 5% of a population that agrees on something, they will think they disagree just because slightly different verbiage is being used. Protesting definitely is more of a social event these days and a lot of people will dip out of protests as soon as they experience real consequences, the same is true of many general strikes.
No. 2040254
>>2040077holy shit, WARNINGS for plagiarism? afaik at my university you get an expulsion hearing if your shit looks sketchy, and if you cant defend yourself you are out. i have known people to be expelled like this.
agree with you on the quality decline in medical studies thing, this is obviously way more of a systemic problem.
>The quality of writing has gone down so much though that it's changing how the editorial structure at medical journals worksmy family member has also brought up this issue and the thing about the terrible unpublishable papers lol, one of the reasons why she doesnt want to be a part of it anymore.
in my own experience, even navigating databases is fucking impossible because of how much pointless slop is clogging up the pool of research.
No. 2040267
>>2040254Yeah basically if only one part of a multi-page assignment was plagiarized (even if it was word-for-word copypasted from the internet for like 3 paragraphs) we would deduct a couple points but no more than that, and it was a three strikes you're out system where the first 2 times they plagiarized they would neither get a zero nor get reported, and the third time they would get a zero and reported (not to the ethics committee but to a prof higher in the hierarchy who would get to decide whether to report them to ethics). I had one assignment where 65% of the assignments had obvious word-for-word plagiarism, and when I asked my boss what to do she said not to remove points because it would lower the grade point average but to give them a 'stern talk' instead. This was about 5 years ago; 11-12 years ago when I was doing my undergrad one of my classmates plagiarized one paragraph of a 20-page paper and was forced to re-do a whole year of school.
Navigating databases is hell now and so many of the studies you find are just small sample size studies that barely manage to find a 3% effect size to the point of barely reaching statistical significance, yet they'll also be included in meta-analyses and reported by the media too. I was asked by my boss about a lit search I was supposed to do a couple years back and I said 'oh yeah there's tons of new papers but mostly from Saudi Arabia and Egypt, you know…' and she just burst out laughing. Everyone who works in any med-adjacent field knows that there's hundreds of papers coming out of (specifically but not only) the Middle East that are completely worthless but clogging up all the search results on pubmed/google scholar, most of which are just straight-up fraudulent.
No. 2040295
>>2040290Indian and Chinese is bad but not as bad as Egypt/Saudi research, I think there was a BMJ article that tested the percent of fraudulent medical research and found it was like 75-90% in Egypt, 50-60% in China/India, and slightly below 50% in the US or EU. So there's a high percentage of research fraud everywhere but it's the absolute worst in the Middle East.
China has some decent universities but they have so many people that they also have a lot of low-tier universities pumping out garbage.
No. 2040320
>>2040312NTA but I have a working theory on why they would do this. In general it is harder to actually refute 'conspiracy theories' as more and more common conspiracy theories are just provably true, so the risk/reward benefit of directly refuting wrong conspiracy theories gets lower. If they work hard to provide proof Alex Jones was wrong about Sandy Hook the best possible outcome is a few people think he's mean, most of his followers will just think 'oh okay maybe he was wrong about this but he was on the right track.' If what they do instead is get everyone to think it is evil, and, like, literally heartless! to have this conspiracy theory then lots of normies who never listened to him in the first place will develop a bad impression of conspiracy theories and be less likely to listen to them next time.
The whole point of punishing, refuting, and shittily fact checking conspiratard shit is to get the general public to think conspiracists are evil and harming society and always wrong (no matter if that's true or not) so there's no real benefit to specifically refuting conspiracy theories thoroughly. The point is to make society think that any conspiratorial thinking is dangerous, wrong, hateful and evil. Once you get that emotional reaction to anything deemed 'conspiratorial' all you have to do is slap a conspiracy label on something to get most normies in society to angrily reject it, even if it's provably true. We saw this go into hyperdrive during COVID, where you could have people making very sane and well-evidenced points and even if they were proven almost incontrovertibly true afterwards the 'bad person who thinks bad wrong things and is a danger to society' label would follow them afterward.
No. 2040507
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>>2037256I'm going full shizo on this lmao.
It's so weird that there's been reported sightings of Kate but there's no photos except that video a few months back with the fake Kate and the ai photo for mothers day. Even Thomas is a mystery and some people are claiming that his wikipedia page is gone (did it even exist in the first place?)
No. 2040715
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Sex is evil (straight, gay, doesn't matter). It destroys your innocence and the lack of innocence destroys your connection to god.
No. 2040779
>>2040090I think that's true, but if she's died of cancer I still don't understand why they didn't announce it.
>>2040267>Saudi Arabia and EgyptI mentioned this on reddit the other day and got banned for it, lol. Everyone wants to screech "Trust the science!™" but no one wants to admit that Indians and Chinese papers are worse than useless, that those made up papers then go on to corrupt any other paper that cites them.
No. 2040857
>>2040800Gnosticism says otherwise. We won't break out from here if we continue the cycle
>>2040784Nobody cares about you copulating with a rape-ape who would fuck a 14 year old if it was legal and who will jerk off to teen porn when you hit 40
(bait) No. 2040969
>>2040715It’s not evil because God created sex however, humanity has tainted it since the beginning of our existence.
>>2040910Except procreation will happen and more lives will continue to exist until the end of time whether you like it or not. Have you considered celibacy?
No. 2040982
>>2040784I’m happy for you
nonny, it should always be positive. Accepting those negative manifestations as the be-all-end-all dismisses any priority to improve women’s experiences. It also co-signs many falsehoods that traumatise women and girls.
>>2040789Sexual conflict is a type of conflict, not the definition of sex, which itself is not antithetical to moral innocence.
No. 2040983
>>2040857Anon didn’t describe her partner and op specifically included homosexual sex etc, so what is your point? Yes, your example man is very bad, and yet sex is not inherently evil, nor should it distance women and girls from ‘god’ or moral innocence. Hopefully you don’t know what you’re arguing on behalf of.
>>2040910nta but the question didn’t imply procreation was objectively good, just that it was the design of the same character who supposedly rejects it.
No. 2041028
>>2040969I'm not OP and literally don't care whether procreation happens or not, you're creating arguments out of nowhere.
>>2040983"Why is x evil if y comes out of it?" "How can x be evil when y comes out of it?" Is this not implying y is good?
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>>2040800>the point of life is sex and babiesYou can't fool me with your life of indulgence and prolonged suffering
No. 2041689
>>2041682>Do you believe in aliens? Why or why not?Yes. I think it's crazy to think we are the only beings in the entire galaxy. I mean come on, if we are here, there has to be others out there
somewhere>Do you think aliens have visited Earth before, and if so: what are their intentions?Yes. I think they were taking a lil peek, seeing what we are doing here.
>Have the governments been conspiring to cover up evidence of aliens, if so: what is the point of the cover up, and what would the government do with this alien information?The US government has, didn't they admit it? For what reason though, I'm not sure. I guess maybe to keep people stupid and in the dark.
No. 2042052
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I am too tired to be writing this rn and its long because i think some things are worth addressing in light of people trying to deny this freud stuff… this is the first exposure to freud stuff so what I would actually think about it after processing it for years, while I probably wouldn’t fundamentally change what I say below because i know what i know even if this one example is new, would probably be better than my initial reaction after reading 2 chapters of a book and forcing myself through the paper in question.
however, i notice these things right way so i figure i would point it out. freud is discussing abuse which happens in early childhood, before the age of 8 and even 4? he says the abuse won’t cause the same hysterical etiology if it happens after 8. this is like the theory of DID or speculations about mk ultra type activities where its believed that children must be abused before the age of like 6 for split personalities to form and for amnesia of the abuse to be induced. picrel.
he says either that this phenomenon hes talking about isn’t prevalent in the working classes or isn’t as prevalent as would be expected, so i can see why people say he was discovering that chlldren of wealthy famllies were being abused. elites/deep state whatever prefer to keep their activities within their families so i can see how this all supports certain conspiracy theories. picrel.
this discovery during trauma therapy that patients were sadistically and ritually sexually abused as children by their family, like freud first reported was his experience as a psychoanalyst, being suppressed as false memories etc is a trend which is ongoing.
https://news.isst-d.org/ritual-abuse-mind-control-and-organized-abuse-examining-our-history-and-looking-forward/
>This data affirms to a significant degree the pattern of abuse that has been consistently disclosed by survivors of ritual abuse and mind control. It is becoming apparent that demand for child abuse material is being met by organized perpetrator groups involving parents who use a range of techniques to traumatise their children from infancy into compliance with sexual exploitation. From the vantage point offered by contemporary research, it would seem that the emerging professional field of trauma and dissociation in the 1970s and 1980s provided a space in which a subterranean criminal phenomenon - the extreme abuse of children for mass consumption - could surface and be recognized for the first time. maybe some freud disinfo agents want to dispute the existence of ritual abuse and its ongoing cover up?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Freud/comments/t6dihh/what_do_you_guys_think_of_this_was_this_the/commenters in this reddit post lie that the only issue is whether freud abandoned the theory that csa is the sole cause of mental illness. no the issue is whether he first stated he uncovered that his patients had been sexually abused and then decided he didn’t believe the memories were of abuse and were just fantasies of abuse instead. (freud’s paper makes it seem like he’s discussing a certain form of mental illness, which he calls neurosis or hysteria, in which patients are
triggered to the point of being unable to function, see points about DID above.)
the comments also claim that the theory was about patients who never disclosed memories of abuse, which is not what the paper states. the paper states that these are patients whose memories of abuse are not conscious, and his task as an analyst is to follow a chain of clues and conscious memoires to uncover the memory of abuse that is the source of the hysteric response and bring it to the conscious level. it seems like he said his patients eventually revealed memories of abuse to him.
in the part of the book I have read so far, freud is quoted that he no longer believes the stories of abuse his patients uncovered in treatment were of csa events which really occured, and he came up with an alternate explanation for the abuse stories that they were fantasies of and desire for abuse by their fathers.
I havent finsihed the book to see if there are more quotes confirming that patients eventually uncovered memories of abuse scenes. in fact, uncovering the memory of csa is what the paper I read (aetiology of hysteria) asserted should be the aim of psychoanalytic treatment of hysteria. he claimed in the cases he treated, uncovering the memory and the subsequent relief of the symptoms proves csa was the cause of his patients illness.
>The early traumas his patients had had the courage to face and report to him he was to later dismiss as the fantasies of hysterical women who invented stories and told lies. He was to view his own courage in reporting these findings as rash:
>“I believed these stories, and consequently supposed that I had discovered the roots of the subsequent neurosis in these experiences of sexual seduction in childhood. …If the reader feels inclined to shake his head at my credulity, I cannot altogether blame him.[9]”
>Freud was to retract his views on the etiology of hysteria, the belief that external, real sexual traumas lay at the very heart of neurosis. His patients, he now felt, had been lying to themselves and to him:
>”…I was at last obliged to recognize that these scenes of seduction had never taken place, and that they were only fantasies which my patients had made up.[10]”
>These patients, primarily women, were laboring under a common fantasy, one that, moreover, dominated their entire lives:
>”Since childhood masturbation is such a general occurrence and is at the same time so poorly remembered, it must have an equivalent in psychic life. And, in fact, it is found in the fantasy encountered in most female patients—namely, that the father seduced her in childhood. This is the later reworking which is designed to cover up the recollection of infantile sexual activity and represents an excuse and an extenuation thereof. The grain of truth contained in this fantasy lies in the fact that the father, by way of his innocent caresses in earliest childhood, has actually awakened the little girl’s sexuality (the same thing applies to the little boy and his mother). “It is these same affectionate fathers that are the ones who then endeavor to break the child of the habit of masturbation, of which they themselves had by that time become the unwitting cause. And thus the motifs mingle in the most successful fashion to form this fantasy, which often dominates a woman’s entire life (seduction fantasy): one part truth, one part gratification of love, and one part revenge.[11]”Excerpt From
The Assault on Truth
Jeffrey Moussaieff Masson
No. 2042072
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>>2040201>>2040208Maybe it's just naivety, prior to the recession it was entirely possible (at least in the west) to live independently in an apartment and afford basic necessities with a job like working at a grocery store. but in the 2010's it soon became something exclusive to the upper-middle class and now it's even beyond their reach nearly everyone I know from school still lives with their parents.
No. 2042078
>>2040715Finally someone smart.
Those who don't agree didn't think about on the topic. If there was no sex or no false concpet of pleasure that people associated with it, there would be no sexual crimes. Any degenerate who thinks otherwise wants to live in a world that allows assaults and exploitation.
No. 2042195
I'm fully wearing a tinfoil hat right now but I was watching youtube, everything working fine. I click a gc detrans video that immediately buffered, internet connection still fine, still buffering after reloading the page too. I click another video and it loads fine. Anti-troon detrans video still won't load and keeps buffering…
sus.
>>2040715>Sex is evil>destroys your connection to godIf that was true I wish I hadn't waited so long with having sex, I want 0 connection to the disgusting false god you worship.
No. 2042552
Internal cancer isn’t a real disease, obviously ‘skin cancer’ (intense sunburning) is a real thing but it’s also not cancer, it’s just a bad burn. Internal cancers like what they call ‘lymphoma’ or leukaemia, it’s just the visible presence of stress inside the body. Most people don’t even know that they ‘have cancer’ until some doctor tells them that they’re “sick”, and usually they point to a tumor or a swollen lymph node which is more then likely not cancerous, just swollen or a fatty deposit which are completely normal. Instead of providing therapy and other options to help these people, they just decide to say Oh you have a disease and now you need to pay us 700,000 to stay alive! when there are so many ‘cancer patients’ who chose against chemo/radiation and turned out to be perfectly fine because nothing was actually wrong with them at all. Their body was just distressed and exhausted, which is easily fixable without invasive and unnecessary medical procedures, because they’re not even sick. Just overworked. And now these treatments will only make them sick and completely miserable. But of course nobody ever agrees with me on this because the doctor knows best, in the US!
No. 2042699
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>>2042552 >Most people don’t even know that they ‘have cancer’ until some doctor tells them that they’re “sick”Pic of untreated breast cancer. Not quite as extreme as pic but I lost someone who ignored very much external signs of breast cancer, dimpling at first, nipple became really inverted, no biggie.. then her breast burst open, turned black and started weeping putrid liquid. I saw up it up close. Looked like her body was eating away at itself. Docs were floored at how late she left it. I think the whole 'oh it's just a lump that you see on a scan' mentality comes from how lucky we are that we don't see this shit often. We don't see it because.. so many people take that lil lump and the docs words seriously. We tend to think of breast cancer as a lump and not an exploding rot breast eating itself.
No. 2042776
>>2040801Agree with this take and also no one from before 100 years ago or less was vegan. Veganism was a corporate overlords thing from the beginning and people don't want to admit this now because some people very genuinely are well-meaning and do it for ethical reasons. Tons of 'vegan' food isn't fully vegan anyway and plant food agriculture also harms animals, in many cases more than just eating them does although all large scale agriculture is unethical and harmful to the environment.
The worst thing is that now the same people who basically 'invented' and marketed veganism to the masses as being about not wanting to eat previously living things are pushing insects as food to vegans, and vegans are getting really confused why they're the main targets for the insect protein shit. It's because they think vegans are suckers who will fall for anything and they never sympathized with ethical reasons for veganism in the first place while pushing it on people.
Lots of non-vegan foods at this point are also either scraps or just vaguely reconstituted hyperprocessed chemical substances that aren't food made to resemble food so none of us are safe but the push to get rid of the most nutritious foods (meat, offal, dairy, eggs) or lie that healthy fats (olive oil, butter, lard) are worse than the most unhealthy fats (canola lol?) was all part of the same plan whether it's targeting vegans or omnivores.
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>>2042552You're so right starshine. "Cancer" is just the physical manifestation of how had of a person you are. If you were a good person, the toxicity wouldn't manifest inside of you. If you get "cancer" you are asking for it. Align your chakras and you'd never become ill. The covid vaccine contains nanoparticles that travel through your bloodstream and calcify your pineal gland into a tiny stone that activates into a parasite that controls your body.
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academia (especially in the humanities) is a scam, it's all about making shit up and using pretentious fancy language
No. 2042891
>>2042785I know you’re being obtuse but I don’t mean “the presence of stress” as in some kind of metaphysical presence, retard. I mean the physical side effects and health issues you have from
being stressed. Distress, dehydration, exhaustion, you’re way more likely to have swollen lymph nodes or disrupted fluid/blood movement. That’s why I said
the physical presence of stress in your body, because stress, neuroticism, anxiety, these are all things that impair your immune system and physical health. You’re a genuine sped if you aren’t capable of understanding that.
No. 2042899
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Sorry I'm gonna samefag for a few posts to get all the images in but related to the topic of fraudulent Middle Eastern research and academia being fraud in general this article was published recently on WSJ, to summarize a bunch of big science publishers recently bought up a bunch of smaller academic publishing houses and figured out that tons of the research was literally almost 100% fraudulent, in many cases AI generated without any real studies being conducted (a step up from 'regular' scientific fraud where people really conduct studies but exclude certain data points or do statistical trickery to make it seem like there's an important finding when there isn't).
https://archive.vn/3ABkT No. 2042901
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2/3
>The main fraudulent research publisher was from Egypt, of course
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3/3
>to avoid plagiarism detection the AI generated writing had keywords swapped like breast cancer = bosom peril, fluid dynamics = gooey stream (lol), artificial intelligence = counterfeit consciousness
No. 2042919
>>2042903I don't read enough humanities research to know if this is true anon but I believe it, it's much easier to write some 'research paper' that is entirely derivative of your fav media product than it is to actually think enough to come up with a new, original theory (these are rare at the best of times and now we have thousands of times more people all fighting for a spot in academia that has fewer original ideas available) or even an interesting expansion upon a pre-existing original idea. The humanities are interesting and necessary in their best form but in their best form they require a ton of reading, archival research, cross-field confirmation of whether established historical 'facts' are even true. Most people who choose to fuck around in a humanities Master or PhD degree are just lazy people who don't know what they want to do with their lives next or what kind of job they can get after they're done with school so these lazy types of people would not be interested in doing a bunch of archival and historical research or isolating themselves in the desert to think deeply about original ideas for years. Instead they pick whatever they are most familiar with like a movie they're a big fan of that doesn't require much thought or reading and just come up with some half-baked theory on how it fits in with some humanities subject.
It's funny to me because I remember I used to save time on assignments in literal middle school doing something similar, I liked writing weird short prose and poetry and drawing so whenever we had some assignment for a humanities class that was like 'write or create a piece of media related to building railroads in 1700' or whatever I would just pick a random poem I had written and write a couple paragraphs talking about how it's totally a metaphor for railroad building, I did this because I didn't want to waste time on homework as a 12yo but most modern humanities academia is literally the same thing, just that if they succeed they get a 200k+ salary then teaching it to zoomers at college.
>The animalistic penis and the meek white penis in The English Patient and Fun Homesorry I can't read past the title anon lmfao, and he got a degree off of this?
No. 2043191
>>2042564trying not to bite because this is quality tinfoil even if i think its retarded but this
>even though it’s not bothering you or making you feel shitty about yourselfmade me lol so much, that's how you know disease is serious, it ruins your self esteem
No. 2043412
>>2042792It really was. I feel bad for people of your generation,
nonnie.
No. 2043453
>>2042963I think there is inherent value to the humanities which is why I think it's especially and particularly tragic what has become of most modern humanities academia. If people weren't getting huge grants and stipends to 'study' the most inane shit then we might go back to a society where people are actually fairly compensated for intelligently discussing interesting/useful ideas, instead we have the Meek White Penis.
>>2043337It's sad because as I said above for the humanities there is a lot of inherent value in STEM research, the system is just so fundamentally broken that it's hard to imagine how much of value can be accomplished anymore. Trust The Science (TM) morons apparently ban people from Reddit just for mentioning how much research is fraudulent and will keyword search whatever bullshit and skim an abstract that may have been AI generated to make whatever false, retarded 'science' argument/point they're trying to make seem legitimate, and other normies eat it up like it's super deep and academic. Unironically there were a lot of benefits to the era where both science and humanities ("natural philosophy") were done by bored nobility who didn't need jobs anyway because they needed a fun pastime, I'm not saying they're inherently the greatest thinkers but at least there was less direct motivation for shameless grifting and they didn't steal wagie construction worker tax dollars to write papers about the hegemonic heteropatriarchal orientalist lessons to be learned from Clifford The Big Red dog.
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>>2042808>>2042052I want to also point out that I don’t understand what Freud was doing and how he got patients to recount unconscious memories of abuse and don’t want to contribute to misinfo like picrel says is the purpose of activism like the false memory syndrome foundation and similar groups/people and that false memory recovery isn’t actually a therapeutic technique?
https://theconversation.com/3-trauma-takes-the-media-gets-wrong-157403Someone posted this article earlier and it is good and worth reading.
https://news.isst-d.org/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-false-memory-syndrome-foundation/I am less familiar with what is trauma therapy, DID, etc than the fact that pedo activists and sexuality activists influence psych line on paraphilias, psych “science” is constantly exposed for this, and even psychs admit they make their decisions based on lobbying from various “sexual diversity” activists who turn out to be nambla or other groups with an aim of decriminalizing csa. And it’s presented as a scandal which it is but seems to me it can miss the fact that deep state has always been involved in the psych field and obviously elites have reasons to manipulate psych field re abuse to their advantage. I just vaguely know about DID, that it would be covered up, false memory syndrome is illegitimate etc and used for nefarious purposes but i need more exposure and processing of it to comment on trauma therapy or Freuds process detailed in etiology of hysteria.
obviously extreme csa happens there is evidence of ritual abuse of the type that would cause DID in csam, but all csam is horrific abuse obviously. I don’t agree with providing degrees of violence of pedophilia. I agree with the age of consent at minimum that all pedophilia is violent abuse.
The second chapter of the assault on truth book discusses that Freud attended lectures at the morgue and saw and read about violent sexual crimes and murder of children so this type of abuse is not a question it’s how is it protected. just to clarify my comment on if it is in dispute.
No. 2043690
>>2036203i experienced long term csa. i was raped by a pedo both inside and outside and the pedos claim that if they "only" masturbate a
victim, then the
victim likes it. so by their twisted, sick reasoning, their
victims can enjoy it. obviously they DO NOT enjoy it, it is only a bodily reaction. the raping inside causes tears and trauma in the brain too which makes DID, that forces the
victim to comply. think, all of a DID system's personalities are either "littles" aka fawning, or "protectors" aka parroting what adults have said, or the devil ones, the "prosecutors" copying things their abusers said. so the pedos use this to reason that their
victims are kinky roleplayers who enjoy the rapes.
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>>2043638I agree nona, the dead internet theory videos really cemented that belief for me. I've noticed sometimes with infights here there's someone arguing that doesn't seem to read anything someone else is saying and just repeat incendiary sentences, and while I know there are people irl who also argue stupidly like that it's still very suspicious. We can't really know how advanced the ai that the public doesn't know about is but I bet it's way harder to detect than we can imagine.
And I feel you about the paranoia, I've seen so many people complain that now they can't enjoy seeing art because their first instinct is to examine it closely and check if it's real
No. 2043761
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>>2042903>>2043453This worst case of this is probably in the field of post-colonialism, now both the men and women involved in it are very disconnected from their own culture and heritages, the vast majority of the time they can't even read the language of the country they are speaking about, the big difference is the women usually buy into it, with the men it's a different story. Post-colonialism was founded by basically Incels. Frantz Fanon's work mainly focused on how much he hated the fact that native caribbean women in his home Island slept with and married French soldiers and how he resented the fact that European women didn't sleep with him or other african soldiers when he was part of the French Free Forces (he also later married a white woman), the other co-founder Edward Said was even worse. he was the son of arab christians but lived his entire life in America and worked as a professor of English literature, his book orientalism comes across like it could from an Incel forum, whining about white people while also considering them inferior and how actually they afraid of strong brown arabs (and this is what he looked like). This continues to this day, where a group of awkward and unattractive moc vent their frustrations and fetishes and deep down, they are aware it's bs
No. 2043819
>>2043637india and china have been overtly fucking with australian politics too. just recently an indian spy network was uncovered in australia, and it was handled bizarrely with no prosecution or any real publicity, they were basically just told to get out please lol.
also universities here are all actively infested with chinese nationalist groups.
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>>2043623not even just old people. this woman was in her thirties when she received her false diagnosis. she looks like she's aged about twenty years from all the chemo. how many people have died from treatments for conditions they never actually had in the first place? it reminds me of that poor little girl from the poltergeist movie who was misdiagnosed with crohn's disease and treated for it when in reality she had a congenital bowel issue that no one caught until her body was examined after it made her go septic and killed her.
>What followed, Monk explained, was an “aggressive” chemotherapy regimen.>She was referred to a cancer hospital and had her first round of chemo in March 2023.>After losing all of her hair, Monk explained that she underwent a second round of therapy that left her vomiting and with “silvery skin.”>“It was a very dark time. I was writing goodbye letters and letters to the grandchildren I would never meet and the weddings I would never attend.”>But at a routine appointment in April, the following month, Monk received even more shocking news: She never had cancer in the first place.>The pathology report, her doctor explained, was wrong. https://nypost.com/2024/04/09/lifestyle/mom-given-months-to-live-endures-aggressive-chemo-but-never-had-cancer-at-all/ No. 2043942
>>2043900olivia hussey in her biography wrote about how she had a breast tumor and it was insanely hard to find a doctor who would just remove it and not just immediately put her on chemo. she found a naturopath leaning surgeon who agreed and she recovered just fine, no cancer for decades after.
just imagine the difference in revenue for the hospital, months of chemo vs one surgery.
No. 2043959
>>2043666Regarding DID I don't think it really 'exists' in the sense of people having different separate personalities that 'front,' this is basically a myth invented by one psychiatrist decades ago that got put in the DSM just in case but similar to 'recovered memory' shit it was never something that actually was widely observed. Dissociation does happen but not in the way DID is understood in pop culture.
Regarding trauma therapy my understanding of most modern trauma therapies like EMDR, talk therapies for PTSD, ket and MDMA therapies that are newer and all the other ones like CBT mostly work on a structure where the patient will recount memories organically to the therapist (sometimes with some prodding but I doubt it usually reaches the level of memory implantation) and then they are guided by the therapist to recount and talk about those memories while on a brain-restructuring drug like MDMA, or while doing the EMDR, or they will get CBT that it supposed to help them 'reprocess' those memories in a healthier way. I'm not aware of any therapeutic techniques that exist anywhere in mainstream psychology where people are actually encouraged to make up memories they don't have, although some hypnosis does attempt to 'uncover' details of memories in the hypnotic state. Sometimes when children are asked to talk about CSA experiences in the course of a criminal investigation they are asked leading/metaphorical questions to describe what happened to them since many children won't or can't talk about it directly, but this is usually when a case of CSA is already known about or reported. I am not sure exactly what Freud was doing either and I know extreme forms of mental manipulation were practiced in MKultra type experiments, but I still don't think 'recovered memory therapy' is a common or widespread thing and I think the claims it is were just attempts at coverups of real abuse.
No. 2043965
>>2043761You're right that most of the modern conceptions of 'post-colonialism' and the history of colonialism itself are severely oversimplified by people who don't have a connection to the actual cultures involved. I see absolutely retarded takes all the time like that Sweden or Slavic countries which barely had any colonies at all 'deserve' to take in North African migrants because of what 'they' did to North Africa when Nordic countries for the most part didn't do any invading of North Africa and Slavs were actually the
victims of the North African slave trade, not the perpetrators. People just look at this as a race thing or a 'Europe vs Africa/Asia' thing without even understanding that people back then didn't have the same conception of ethnic groups or race and that the same cultures weren't hegemonic throughout history. Like you said it's usually an excuse for academics with some specific chip on their shoulder to look smart or deep while ignoring the actual history of the time periods and cultures they're talking about. But I wouldn't even say this is the very worst case of academia being shit, there's so many shit academic fields to choose from I can't pick just one. If anyone remembers the James Lindsay/Heather Pluckrose/Boghossian 'hoax' papers that they published like the dog park rape culture or feminist mein kampf papers they were in a variety of humanities journals from various subfields and they got many published regardless of specific topic.
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>>2043761picrel is what the average male postcolonial academic is like btw
No. 2044008
>>2044004This is why dumbass men should not be encouraged to go into academic fields where they get to just whine about their feelings for 100 pages and then be called 'Doctor' for it. Not that most female humanities academics are much better but part of why humanities is so shit is that for hundreds of years it was run by men developing increasingly personal motivated reasoning theories on why they specifically are the biggest
victims in society cloaked in some thesaurus language and why they actually deserve everything they want.
Useful humanities topics are shit like anthropology, history, actually thoughtful analysis of literature and arts put in their proper historical context and talked about dispassionately, not all these fields which increasingly just encourage you to talk about your personal pet issue. The whole post-structuralist deconstruction pomo shit just led to the idea that the more closely and personally invested you are in some issue, the more 'legitimate' your opinion about it is which is often (not always) the opposite of the truth. There are situations where the voices of affected people were completely ignored which led to false historical accounts and bad analysis of issues, but usually the best way to counter that is to actually talk to a lot of different people in that group and synthesize their stories, impressions and accounts, not come up with your own pet theory on your couch and say it's great academic work because you are part of some group you're supposedly studying. I actually think empiricism needs to be brought back to the humanities.
No. 2044074
Dunno if this counts as a tinfoil, but does anyone else think that the rise of automation and technology is part of a long acting plan to promote learned helplessness, disconnect with our surroundings, and reduce survival capabilities? Like, take driving and self-driving cars as an example. Driving a car is a learned skill and some people are better at it than others, but a proliferation of self-driving cars means that the actual skill part of driving becomes less necessary not to mention all of the cameras required to navigate the road are a surveillance issue but that's another topic. Not only that, but it encourages people to further disconnect with their environment because they don't have to pay as much attention to the road or other drivers. Given enough time, I wonder if the average driver will be able to drive a regular car the way we can today, or if they will be reliant on self-driving cars the way many modern burgers are reliant on automatic gear shift. All of these technological advancements seem to be eroding away basic skills (GPS reduces the need to know how to navigate, etc.) and the crunchy part of me wonders if it's part of a plan to purposely reduce humankind's ability to survive without the technological assistance so graciously provided by our overpaid overlords. Maybe this is just a natural consequence of advancement, but I feel like more people would be bothered if this was just natural consequences, it really feels like people are being incentivized/shilled to want more technology and like maybe they wouldn't choose these things if it wasn't being pushed so hard. It feels like an agenda instead of just natural consequences.
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>>2044074I agree with you nonna. It's really obvious with kids growing up with this tech that they have learned helplessness but it's actually weirdly obvious with older people as well. Like with your GPS example, I have multiple gen X/boomer male relatives who used to be really into maps and navigating but as soon as GPS tech became available they were obsessed with it like the male autist spergs they are and a few years later they are not only incapable of reading maps or navigating, they also became really bad drivers who struggle to even read road signs. It's literally like a form of late-blooming retardation they actually developed on purpose. I don't drive (too poor for a car and live in a city where it's not necessary though I had my learners and drove in the past) but despite being a non-driver I will get in cars with my dad or uncles and have to shout at them about road signs they're ignoring or tell them common sense things like 'if we just came from the right side of the highway, now we have to go to the left side to continue driving' like they are literal babies. I don't think I would do great in a true survivalist setting either but tech has also reduced people's natural curiosity about the world so much that a lot of people have nothing, not even the most basic concepts, memorized nor are they able to reason their way through anything without consulting 'the internet' about it first. It's really pathetic.
Technology could be used for great social good and could be used to make people's lives actually easier (not saying it never is) while also preserving their basic skills but a lot of tech at this point is just meant to actually replace the need for basic skills to the point where people are weak, helpless, and completely 100% controlled by their technocrat overlords. Now people will be too scared to ever rebel against anything because they completely lack any form of independence.
Some examples: ChatGPT. Not just zoomers I know but also older people who went back to school are now making excuses that they use chatGPT for their writing because 'writing is hard' and 'I'm still the one doing the work because I need to come up with a good prompt for it.' Lowering not just literacy but ability to think and express your ideas independently. Also the use of ChatGPT to 'answer questions' for you that you could just look up on google or using a book, which would force you to have to look around and synthesize multiple sources. Half the time the answers it gives you are wrong but you're giving up on the thinking part of researching something.
Any tech that can't be opened up and repaired by the user/have warranties voided unless you take it back to the manufacturer. Makes people unwilling to try to learn how to repair mechanical devices on their own (cars, computers, phones, radios, etc)
Various tech for digital art: I actually think these are cool and useful and there's nothing wrong with them but as an artist it is still useful to be able to physically make art and know physical art techniques before you move to a digital platform or style. Many people are skipping this step, not only with drawing and animation but with e.g. music as well. Lots of people now are 'musicians' who can't play a single instrument, read music or perform live/play with other people in any context because the only musical skills they have are reliant on digital beat making programs.
"Smart tech"/IOT and basic shit like your water/utilities being controlled by an AI/internet enabled metering device. This is less related to skill building but it means you lose all independent control over your use of water, electricity and gas and give it up to be controlled by external agents. Also makes most of your house useless if there's an internet or electric outage.
EV (including but not limited to self driving cars): reduces your mobility and autonomy by making your transport entirely reliant on where and when you can get electricity. I think this is ultimately going to lead to the government totally controlling transport for most people.
Increasing reliance on calculators: we had calculators for many years but it's becoming increasingly acceptable to use them for all kinds of math in both real life settings where basic arithmetic is needed and academic settings. Soon most people won't be able to do simple calculations in their head about something as basic as grocery prices.
Media/google algorithms: It's pretty much no longer possible for most people to get information from the source/firsthand especially as older books are phased out in many school and public libraries and people become more reliant on e-readers. Again I like e-reader tech but I'm concerned about what's happening to archives and libraries as well as google algos. You're basically told what information you should be accessing and banned from accessing information the big search engine/book sales companies don't want you to access, streamlining everyone's opinions and streamlining where and how people can access knowledge.
There are probably tons of other examples but all of these things ultimately lead to the same outcome which is learned helplessness and lack of autonomy.
No. 2045015
>>2044074>Dunno if this counts as a tinfoil, but does anyone else think that the rise of automation and technology is part of a long acting plan to promote learned helplessness, disconnect with our surroundings, and reduce survival capabilities?Capitalism promotes this; no top-down plan or intervention necessary. Most people are motivated to make their lives as convenient as possible, and technological breakthroughs that do so are going to be adopted without thought to abstract things like the extent to which it'll impact their ability to handle complexity. The typical American will drive their diabetic ass to a further-out Starbucks with a drive-thru rather than walk into the closer one. Companies exploit this tendency towards laziness to make money and market it as progress.
My tech job essentially amounts to figuring out how to make [platform] more addictive and dumbing down processes so that they're as quick and easy to complete as possible. There's nothing justifying my existence as a worker beyond the promise of more $$$ for [company] because people will choose the easier-to-use and/or more addictive platform over alternatives. There's nothing else behind it; money drives ''''progress''''''''''''.
No. 2045028
>>2044984ayrt. These groups are hotbeds of silly nerdiness, but living history/historical reenactment hobby spaces are full of people who like, know, practice, and teach limited tech skills. The Society for Creative Anachronism is the biggest one I'm aware of.
I learned how to drop spindle wool in one of their arts classes years back. Good times. If you wanted to compile a community, they're good places to meet people with similar interests.
No. 2045588
Social media aggressively promotes minimalism, subtly normalizing a state of deprivation as if it were a virtuous choice. For decades, Boomers have indulged in rampant overconsumption without facing societal reproach for their material excess. Meanwhile, younger generations find themselves grappling with economic challenges, facing a reality where they are often economically disadvantaged compared to their predecessors.
Yet now, extreme minimalism emerges, paradoxically encouraging further consumption under the guise of responsibility. This ideology compels us to discard our belongings, only to replace them with new ones, for it is in our nature to possess.
YouTube is full of videos about decluttering and extreme minimalism, constantly telling us to get rid of things. This pervasive trend is everywhere online and is changing how we think about and manage our possessions, especially for those who may have fewer resources to begin with. They want to keep us poor and powerless.
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Any other Canadian anons that have heard about the Century Initiative? What's your tinfoil about this lobby group and its aims?
Here's a link to the Wikipedia article:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_InitiativeSorry if this is the wrong thread, I just wanted to discuss it in a tinfoily way and thought this was more appropriate than the canadafag thread No. 2045632
>>2045015But when you say 'capitalism promotes this' you're not talking about actual free market capitalism, you are talking about cronyism which is controlled by a small group of people. A lot of the examples given above or other examples I can think of weren't actually implemented because of market forces/genuine demand and profit, they were basically forced on the population by 'planners' which is more akin to fascism or communism but let's just call it crony capitalism since that's what it basically is. Some of the breakthroughs are easy to get people adopt (like ChatGPT) because in the short term they make people's lives more convenient so once available people will use them willingly, but someone still had to put work into planning what sorts of things they will invest in and pour money into in order to later push them on the population (and to my knowledge ChatGPT itself is not especially profitable although some things it's used for might be).
But there are other examples of this dumbed-down shit that promotes learned helplessness or lack of autonomy that obviously aren't driven by real market demand at all and people don't want to adopt. EVs are a good example. There is a huge resistance by consumers to buying and using EVs but companies and governments keep investing in subsidies (on the supply side) and incentives (on the demand side) to try to push through 'only electric vehicles can be produced by the year 20XX' which is obviously not very profitable otherwise it wouldn't need to be subsidized. Consumers want gas vehicles but more and more EVs are being pushed on them while gas vehicle prices are artificially inflated relative to EVs so that people won't be able to drive where they want freely anymore or repair their cars themselves.
Another example from one of the posts above is smart meter tech - it's actually required in a lot of jurisdictions and people are forced to switch over to smart metering even if they don't want to. All it does is make their home utilities more expensive and it's enabled to automatically shut off people's electricity or heating if they use 'too much' (as determined by planners).
Then there's slightly stranger examples like the rise in Spotify, Ubereats, airbnb and other 'service based' apps that actually harm consumers and producers by jacking up prices, decreasing available housing, skimming compensation from producers to give it to a middle man. None of these companies are or have ever been actually profitable, they function entirely off of investment. Who has the money to invest huge amounts of money into keeping these unprofitable companies afloat? Usually subsidiaries or offshoots of the same 2-3 companies (Blackrock, Vanguard) which also are in charge of government pension investing in most countries. The way this often operates is that the controllers of most of the world's money (a few investment companies) are given billions of dollars of people's pension/retirement investments, and since this is not their or private investors' money but random taxpaying normies' money, it is viewed as 'low risk' by these companies to invest pensions in projects that aren't likely to bring profit. When huge pension plan investments are made into unprofitable countries they're then seen as 'safe' by private investors and get tons of funding to do whatever they want even though they don't follow market forces at all. If the company bankrupts then the controllers don't lose anything because all they were doing was investing some poor old people's money and they can say 'oops it was a mistake that we lost your pension.' It's basically a pyramid scheme. The ultimate fallout of this is that it's not almost impossible for, say, a musician, to control the prices they charge for their own music or to control how it is distributed, a middleman who never produced anything takes almost all the profits, and consumers begin to feel entitled to what musicians have produced for free. It's then extremely difficult to 'renormalize' these market forces as consumers get used to products being 'free' and have more money to spend elsewhere on things they want you to actually pay for and inflate the prices of. Companies like Ubereats used to have delivery services that were very cheap compared to independent restaurants delivering, now they have jacked up their prices and most of that profit goes to Ubereats, the company, not the drivers or the restaurants (which actually lose profit by using Ubereats). Small family owned or independent food businesses are forced to close and consumers get used to not even having to go get their food themselves, acting increasingly helpless and getting used to higher food costs.
Yeah not every one of these technological advancements fits this bill, some are truly driven by consumer demand but it's too simplistic to say it's 'just capitalism' so it therefore can't be a conspiracy. Most of modern capitalism involves people conspiring to rip off either producers or consumers, often both, or to interfere in real supply/demand driven market forces.
No. 2045692
>>2045588You perfectly summarized why the minimalist aesthetic movement is so troubling. It encourages people to throw things out that they could have passed on to their younger relatives or kept for a long time, increasing waste, under a veneer of 'oh having fewer things is more sustainable.' It also encourages people to have a hyper-curated hyper-corporate aesthetic rather than developing their own more eclectic one which doesn't require constant trend-following and revamping.
This is extreme tinfoil maybe but I feel like it's mentally priming society for CBDC and forms of money that 'expire' or the idea of sharing/renting belongings and homes rather than owning possessions. There's nothing inherently wrong with renting something you only need to use for a short time but there's a big push to make this our main model of consumption and it's troubling because as anyone who lived under a communist regime will tell you, people inherently care more for things that they own/are theirs and refuse to care for/maintain things that they don't own long term. Moving to a model where we have very few things and most of them aren't even ours, just temporary possessions and rentals, is also moving to a model where people are less likely to want to build and sustain things. If they move us to a currency system where money 'expires' if it's not immediately used, it will completely destroy social mobility and people's ability to save up or build things to get into a better situation.
No. 2045693
>>2045603It seems weird to me because most current lobby groups want to decrease, not increase, population. I don't like the 'megaregions' idea at all though.
What is your tinfoil about this nonna?
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>>2046721Samefag but this is Redford on that Sydney Pollack movie, the resemblance is uncanny
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Turns out all the rape accusations were false and just projection, according to the UN.
No. 2048450
>>2045862Building wealth via property is a ponzi scheme that implicitly requires fucking over the generations beneath you because you benefit at their expense. You want housing to be cheap for you to acquire but expensive for everyone that comes after. This belief in property as an investment vehicle will always lead back to feudalism. I think trying to find ways to make housing be affordable to acquire and own would be better long term, even if housing stops being a way of building wealth it can still be a source of stability.
>>2045588Minimalism as a trend is on it's way out. I think it was just people coping because they couldn't afford to be the maximalists they really wanted to be.
No. 2048457
>>2048299The things I've heard reported the most involve covering the windows, flashing lights, and spinning around, though I think mostly comes from a list that's been circulating that includes some idiotic moid shit like dating israeli girls:
https://forum.agoraroad.com/index.php?threads/g-a-t-e-mkultra-is-alive-and-kicking.3519/For me, the weird stuff mostly had to do with a 6th grade teacher who seemed to encourage suicidal/self harming by showing me a video a previous student made adapting Lady Lazarus with graphic depictions of wrist slitting (I had visible cuts), and gifting me a copy of a Sylvia Plath book when I was in the hospital after I had a pretty bad health scare. There were also a lot of kids on psychiatric meds from a young age (to curb violent male impulses). I also wrote a disturbingly violent short story around that age about a woman who gets abducted by aliens and tortured with extreme cold and heat (classic CIA). I also remember times where I was taken out of class for 1-on-1 testing. I think part of the appeal of this conspiracy theory, along with project monarch, is that you don't actually remember anything except a weird feeling, so your imagination can go wild. I think a lot of people don't remember most of their childhood and only remember the weird stuff, but the concept of GATE seems like the perfect front for child experimentation.
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>>2047203If you actually read the commission it says that it couldn’t find evidence of Hamas members being ordered to commit sexual violence against Israeli women, not that no sexual violence took place. In the same commission they confirm that Israeli women were subjected to sexual violence by Hamas members.
Your screenshot is saying that they were unable to verify claims of ‘…sexualised torture and genital mutilation.’ not that they couldn’t verify any claims of sexual violence.
Here’s a link to the full commission if anyone want to read it:
https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session56/a-hrc-56-26-auv.docx No. 2048646
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>>2048637Did you not see that isrealis are commiting rape and sexual torture? they are literally a haven for pedophiles? I said all men rape it’s not a reason to use this fact as propaganda to support the current genocide.
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>>2048627why are you jumping in to defend an settler occupier nation that would gladly take away your sex offender registry.
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>>2048646This article is about Israels’ law of return being abused by pedophiles to try to escape justice in their home countries and is about the high rates of sexual abuse amongst ultra-orthodox jews. Nothing in it says anything about specific policies enacted by the Israeli government that are sympathetic towards pedophiles. It even says in the same article that ‘…several other cases of pedophiles and alleged pedophiles from [several countries] who had fled to Israel either after being charged or to avoid being charged. Some have already been extradited back to their home countries where they are serving jail sentences.’ In order for someone to be extradited the country that they are currently in has to agree to send to the other country, if Israel is a safe haven for pedophiles why would they send any of them back? Link to article:
https://archive.is/wOVXU No. 2048661
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>>2048655Israel follows the literal pedo agenda policy of not having a public sex offender registry so pedos can avoid detection. that’s what pedos want everywhere and Israel is leading the world in that policy.
https://forward.com/life/320565/what-happens-to-sex-offenders-who-run-to-israel/?amp=1 No. 2048667
>>2048661>Israel follows the literal pedo agenda policy of not having a public sex offender registryAgain, that’s not a policy unique to Israel and the only country that has a public sex offenders registry is the United States. Is every country apart from America (including Palestine) furthering the pedophile agenda?
>>2048664>My governments policies are completely set by isreal so it’s more realistic than ur fantasies that Hamas will rape and honor kill meI’ve never said anything like that. The only thing that I’ve been doing is reading and posting links to the articles that you are cherry-picking information from.
No. 2048672
>>2048669>>2048669I answered your question of how Israel is a haven for pedophiles multiple times.
Not to mention scandals like Jeffrey Epstein etc.
Why should you defend such a country and the women who support it? Are you as upset about the women and children who are majority of those being killed and starved in Palestine by Israel’s assault as you are about a woman who was in the line of fire and was driven on the back of a truck?
No. 2048675
>>2048672>I answered your question of how Israel is a haven for pedophiles multiple times.You didn’t, you just mentioned that it doesn’t have a public sex offender registry, which is not unique to Israel. And that the law of return is abused by pedophiles who use it to try to escape justice in their own countries, although it’s also mentioned in the same articles that they are typically extricated to their home countries, which would require Israel to agree to send them back.
>Why should you defend such a countryI’m not defending them, but I am pointing out that your claims are wrong and the arguments that you use to defend them are weak.
>Are you as upset about the women and children who are majority of those being killed and starved in Palestine by IsraelYes, attacking civilians is always wrong.
No. 2048691
>>2048682Those pedophiles enter Israel under the law of return, which is only available for those with jewish ancestry. It’s not a viable option for pedophiles without jewish ancestry. How is jewish pedophiles abusing a law saying that they are allowed entry to Israel for being jewish, the same as Israel having a policy of accepting all pedophiles with open arms? Especially since it’s noted in the examples that you’ve posted that those same pedophiles are extradited to their home countries for sentencing?
>>2048688So? I don’t support Israel.
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>>2048457Found this while reading the 4chan threads within that link.
No. 2048707
>>2048646I did, but I wasn't talking about Israel. Believe it or not I can admit the wrongdoings of a population without sanctifying the other, unlike you. It's funny that you say Israel is a pedophile haven while Hamas is a muslim terrorist group, and muslim men think pedophilia and marital rape are their god-given right. Men convert to Islam so they can freely abuse women, they don't even recognise pedophilia and rape as crimes. The mental gymnastics you're doing to justify the actions of people who literally believe in a pedophile god is ridiculous.
>>2048688And Hamas' people believe every non-muslim baby needs to be killed or converted. Actually they think all the Palestinian civilians caught up in the conflict were a necessary sacrifice. Why are you defending these "people" who would want you raped and dead? It's also funny that people like you conveniently forget the fact that religious and racial minorities got regularly attacked by muslims before this conflict.
No. 2048722
>>2048706>Who said they accept all pedophiles with open arms?You did. You claim that Israel is a haven for pedophiles and that it has a policy of welcoming pedopiles, but when I point out that the only reason that those men were able to get into Israel is because they are jewish and that non-jewish pedophiles wouldn’t be allowed to enter, you claim that you only meant that it was a haven for jewish pedophiles all along, and not a haven for pedophiles in general like you were implying? Why can’t you come up with a coherent argument and say what you actually mean, instead of expecting others to parse your meaning for you? Why can’t you actually defend your point without resorting to insults? Why can’t you use articles that don’t contradict what you are saying?
I am not arguing with you because I support Israel, (I don’t) I’m arguing with you because your points are weak and are built on shoddy or non-existent evidence and when I don’t immediately give in you insult me because you don’t have any real arguments. Like it or not but you are representing the Palestinian cause and when you make poor and childish arguments like this it reflects badly on the rest of us and makes people less likely to support us. I don’t want to be associated with idiots like you that are hurting the very cause that they claim to champion. You want to help Palestinian people? Shut up.
No. 2048979
>>2048647>Hamas and the people of Palestine haven’t and won’t do anythingThats where you're wrong, Hamas is part of the muslim intention to turn everyone muslim and kill those who won't. Just look at europe if you think muslims are gonna be nice to you when they come
>>2048653Settler occupied nation? Thats the history of the world kek. Dont jews claim they were there first 2000 years ago?
No. 2049021
>>2048996>build wealth through owning property relies on a low housing supply market and high demand.No. That's what's allowing boomers to build extraordinary wealth, but that's not the only way to build wealth with a house.
Say you rent. You pay $1000 rent each month. Rent will continue to go up throughout the years. At no point will you ever own anything and you will pay that rent until you die.
Now say you buy the same house that was for rent. Your mortgage will be cheaper than rent, but how much depends on your area, but in my small city it's about $300 cheaper to buy (this includes mortgage, taxes, and insurance) than to rent. You're going to have house repair expenses, which are normally 1-3% of the house cost. So set aside another $85 to $250 per month, making your total to own $785 to $950 per month. So right away, you're immediately gaining $50 to $215 per month over renting. And then, after thirty years, you own that house, so there's no mortgage and you only pay insurance and taxes, which reduces your payment to $200 per month. Meanwhile, if renting you're still paying that $1000 per month, except it's increased every single year. So even if you're never able to sell and the house and land are completely worthless when you die, you've still gained more money by owning than by renting.
No. 2049111
>>2048996Did you just not read my post? Home ownership doesn't have to be a way to build investment property. It can just help you build wealth by freeing up income so you don't spend it all on housing. There is also no inherent reason why supply shouldn't meet demand.
>>2049021Thank you anon. That's the point I was trying to make. Add to this that, for example, if you own a car or you have something you need stored, renting in many cases requires also that you pay exorbitant costs for parking spaces or for offsite rental, whereas most to-own homes (even apartments) come with free parking space and/or storage space.
No. 2049134
>>2048551Being made into a billionaire’s bimbofied concubine seems to be possibly on the books for me which checks out in terms of monarch programming. Of course they’d want to mind control and program a pretty but smart girl from a poor family into a mindless sex pet, it’s like a more shady version of how celebrities are also basically all sex workers for the rich and famous behind closed doors. But this GATE feeds the elite with a different type of girl/woman, intelligent and gifted but not well off typically, often a little crazy. When we aren’t useful to them in the primary ways (successful government positions or producing children) the best programming of being a sexual being comes forth and is the only way to quell the suicidality. They either want to use our minds for complex shit like government stuff, or they want us to breed before age 30 to provide fresh stock with similar genetics, barring those uses we’re targeted to be sex kittens essentially. I truly believe this. I mean there’s literally moid written erotica from early internet days stating CIA mind control being used in young girls for these scenarios and I know that’s just one thing but like. It’s all to make us seem crazy.
Are there any formerly gifted program woman who aren’t successfully contributing to society in some way, have a child, are a trophy wife type thing, or are you just consistently suicidal if you’re not any of the other things? That’s all by design.
No. 2049169
>>2049021>>2049111Saving money on housing by owning property, because it's cheaper than renting, isn't intrinsic to owning property itself. It depends on where you live. For places like Germany where there's strong tenant rights and a good pension plan, it's cheaper in the long run to rent than to own housing (because closing costs of acquiring the house and maintenance) and they aren't as culturally pressured to own housing. Yes in North American societies, owning will always be cheaper than renting.
>There is also no inherent reason why supply shouldn't meet demand.That would be nice if that was the case, but this is never the reality in any part of the world, ever. There is vested interest by property owners and banks to keep housing supplies down to keep prices high. Hence anon's original point that the current model of home ownership is a Ponzi scheme requiring everyone else to be fucked over.
No. 2049172
>>2049169Vested interest by property owners and banks to keep housing supply down isn't an 'inherent' reason it's market monopolization. I think the original anons talking about this had that in mind when they were talking about how making home ownership difficult is a conspiracy, because as you admitted it literally is.
Anyway it's true that in some other countries renting might be cheaper than home ownership, and in general those countries have a much higher proportion of renters. It's notable that in countries where home ownership is cheaper it's being blocked/discouraged though, hard not to notice that it's a way to keep people completely beholden to ever-rising rent costs in order to stop them from building wealth of any kind.
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>>2049259You were being tested but probably didn’t haven’t a psychic ability they were looking for. It was under the guise of an IQ test and in many ways it was similar but we were also shown and told to guess Zener cards (look em up, hell maybe you remember). I know all my friends who remember their gifted testing at the very least vividly remember the Zener cards picrel. I’ve been accused of thinking I’m smart or special for having been chosen for the GATE program and for having considered I was extensively singled out throughout my life since then due to being one of the special selections amongst those already in GATE. I don’t think what we did was a legit IQ test like they our parents, I don’t think I have a 154 IQ like they told my parents, I think and know I have or at least had more psychic abilities than the general person and constantly had prophetic dreams and fucked with electricity and said weird creepy shit that always came true.
Does anyone else remember the minty drink we were given on one of the days of our gifted testing that we were never told what it was just demanded to drink it down? I feel and wonder if that was sexual in nature and used to test our willingness to consume a gross thick white viscous liquid that didn’t taste great, and to gauge how our parents would react if and when we told them about that. My parents were just like “huh. Okay.” And I never questioned it for nearly 20 years.
>>2049427Parents did not choose their children to be selected for GATE testing, the schools and teachers did, parents could allow or not allow the testing to happen and could also allow or not allow their kid to be put into GATE after the testing. It was strongly encouraged if the kids passed though and parents were told their kids were geniuses who needed the special education opportunities.
No. 2049435
>>2049432That's not how the GATE program worked where I live. Parents requested that kids be tested for GATE, the school and teachers had absolutely no say in it whatsoever (my teacher and school principal actively did not want me to be tested for GATE but it was up to the parents so I was).
The resource someone else shared also sounded completely unlike my experience; it was not a once a week thing, it was a full time program; no one ever disappeared, windows were not covered, and we had a normal curriculum plus advanced curriculum as well which was extremely normal academic shit. I feel like some of the people in these threads did something that was 'called' GATE but wasn't? I have a bunch of friends who went to other GATE programs in other neighborhoods or cities and all of them were like mine.
No. 2049681
>>2049676This is true. Ghost listings are a real problem. I was on the other end of this once before, effectively hired ahead of time but they were unable to actually hire me directly. They needed to put out a job listing for me to apply for. I already had the job I just needed to go through the process. Of course this didn't stop hundreds, potentially thousands of people, from applying for a position that was already taken. Waste of their time.
I also encourage any job seeking nonas to consider a Taxpayer Identification Number. Lots of jobs will request an SSN on their application when they don't need to. I believe fake job apps are one source thieves use to collect what they need for identity theft and I definitely encountered some sketchy applications. I used a TIN for my job hunt and provided SSN later.
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>>2049681Very few jobs I applied for asked me for my SSN out the gate. At my current job they only asked me for it after I'd been onboarded and offered the position. It sucks so much that people's time is being consumed by either phantom listings or listings possibly created by scammers. It's getting harder and harder to distinguish what's real and what's fake.
Deeper tinfoil that some of these or a lot of these are intentionally put out to make the job market look promising when companies are downsizing. That's why the unemployment rate keeps rising. Places seem more and more understaffed. There's something about it that screams intentional. It infuriates me. A.i. is still nowhere near fully equipped to outperform humans, and won't be for years unless the government is hiding a Super A.I. in the White House basement or some shit
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>>2049852I’m not interested in your thoughts but I want to bring attention to an argument I did offer in response to the genocide propaganda you never addressed since it was lost in ur meltdown
Several people itt are defending genocide on the basis of the propaganda that Palestinians deserve genocidal occupation bc they’re all Hamas terrorists and the women support me being raped and honor killed by Hamas all the way in America. Israel materially supported and empowered Hamas bc they don’t want moderate leadership they want to criminalize all Palestinians as Islamic terrorists to rationalize occupation and ethnic cleansing instead of engagement in peace process. (Isreal did 911) Hamas barely was elected and there aren’t many other choices. This is all explained in vidrel. They assassinated a Hamas leader when he wanted to engage in peace process causing a riot in Fallujah where the bodies of blackwater guards were paraded on the backs of trucks. I never saw any evidence that Shani louk was a spoil to be raped.
https://youtu.be/LbgVWe4vQV0?si=VNouluyzlOqslziEI provided this push back to women rationalizing genocide itt based on there exact lies addressed in vidrel while also mocking them and their pedophile infested state. The only “strong” argument anon thought worth making is “well actually every country in the world except US doesn’t have a public sex offender registry” is picrel her? Has she been waiting for opportunities to rationalize pedos fleeing justice and the absence of sex offender registry like a common nambla member as a tactic to bring about ceasefire or does she regularly do this? If not she should, shed be a strong asset to Palestinians with such iron clad arguments and priorities. She is so self satisfied about it too. Just lol. That’s the last thing I have to say to or about her.
No. 2050319
>>2050193There are real 'forms' of mind control like the media, MKultra managed to mindbreak some (susceptible) people to some degree, etc. but no mind control technologies like what you see in scifi are not real. What you see on social media is basically the most efficient form of mind control they've invented so far and most of it was done for the sole capitalistic purpose of making marketing/advertising more efficient.
Fun story about this I had a friend doing his PhD in neuroscience who couldn't get national funding (like NIH type funding) for his stupid study but he did get a massive US DOD grant that was like 5x more money than any NIH grant he could have gotten, to do his study. This guy was a semi famous magician before he went into a neuroscience PhD.
Anyway the study (which he still hasn't openly published AFAIK but I know he completed it) was about how to convince people that you are reading their mind or implanting ideas in their mind, even though you actually aren't. So when you think about these tinfoil theories floating around about how 'they' are able to control our minds ask yourself why they would be shelling out 100k or more to some magician to study how to convince people you can read their minds without actually reading them.
No. 2050962
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With the rise of Ai taking over most creative jobs, humans will be left with nothing else to do than to work manual labor. A small aristocraty will handle training ai and establishing trends. It will be just like Rococo era France where artistic pursues are the hobbies of the wealthy and where the poor are too busy with work to engage in such activities. No time will be left for the conmon man to think of how the system needs to change. There will be no revolution to stop them.
In the end, there will be a cult made-to-religious born from ai. It will take over and be so ingrained in our lives that its influence will be impossible to avoid. Humanity will become a title afforded to very few. Given 200 years' time,the definition of humanity will change. At that point, the elite will have little issue grounding out those deemed undesirable. Each major populous will be wilted down to be enough to take care of the elite of the region. That's about a couple hundred thousand per continent. War will be no more than a large-scale gladitorial game.
No. 2059809
>>2059798This and the economy. They purposely allow a lot of sexist things to stay up like medical neglect for women, wage gap, bullying being more targeted to women, refusing to take away girls from homes where they're clearly being abused, etc, give good paying labor jobs to men easier while generally making more exceptions for them, promoting "mens mental health" where as women can't even say if something upsets them without being laughed at into oblivion, basically turning women into emotionless slaves
Now we have numb women, in a generation where getting a job is insanely difficult, wage to price of living ratio is historically worse, women are more likely to be abused by their parents and partners, and men get better mental health care and pay, what does that create?
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The whole we need extremely higher birth rates otherwise our counties will collpase is an actual psy-up. When the world (specifically regions of Asia and Africa) needs fewer people, the environment is tearing apart because of the damage corporations caused and those same corporate fucks want more people now, gradual lower-birth rates are just going to decrease the expectation growth of major corporations. That's it, they won't even lose money or stop growing, just decrease and so they bagger on about this "birth rate crisis" and they want us to be afraid, but it's simply not true. Even at the complete worst, if all of humanity gets reduced to 10% of its size, it will simply grow again for the next few hundred years
No. 2061402
>>2061396We're not talking about efficiency of office jobs here though but medical and care work mostly. We need a huge number of people to care for older populations (and that's just not a job that can have its efficiency increased much at all) and people working on infrastructure, etc. If it was only about office jobs that would be fine.
I do agree though that the main/biggest issue is flooding countries with low birthrates with illegal (male) immigrants from other countries that will completely overhaul the culture of those civilizations and make them less safe. Countries like Japan that barely allow migration do have some issues from the inverted population pyramid but they have a lot fewer of certain types of issues due to keeping their culture relatively stable and insulated. Unfortunately the cultures that have the most 'free laborers' willing to move around are also usually the ones with the least respect for women overall.
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>>2061396There's a problem with inverted population pyramids though
Women tend to date/marry within 0-5 years older, and men 0-5 years younger
When you have a normal population pyramid, this isn't an issue because each successive generation is larger than the previous one, but when you have an inverted population pyramid, this results in more men in the older bracket relative to women and the gender ratio gets worse the further down the population pyramid you go, if we assume that men will try to date/marry within their age range first before going for women in a younger age bracket
I created picrel by taking the bar for the male population in each cohort and subtracting the female population from it, then adding the excess men left over to the female bar beneath it, to represent additional men 5 years older than than the next cohort who would be dipping into the 5 years younger pool because there were no women available their own age
As you can see with Ethiopia as a control case, that proportion always remains small because of how much larger each cohort is from the cohort right above it, but that inverts for countries with old populations
This can explain a significant part of the relationship gap between gen Z men and women, 63% of gen Z men are single compared to 30% of gen Z women
This has the potential for creating a lot of instability as those single men will start chimping out, notice with Korea how quickly the ratio flips in the 15-19 bracket, I made these charts in 2020 and now there's a full blown gender war there after that 15-19 cohort reached adulthood in 2024
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>>2059809>where as women can't even say if something upsets them without being laughed at into oblivionthe weird turn from the anti-bullying movement to hateful and miserable forms of communication being the norm is insane and we're expected to do nothing about it. the world has become so accustomed to revolving around assholes you almost never see the little spergy asshat being told to "be the bigger person" it's always the person who shuts them down. People can literally make it their life mission to hate on a complete random group of people for no good reason and if you dare call it out or say it's weird suddenly you're the bad guy, just look at the single mom song guy who makes it his life effort to taunt single moms
No. 2062576
>>2049432The gate program was probably a recruitment center to try to find people who could work for the elite . I think the weird liquid you guys had to drink was there to test how willing you are to obey authority. If a kid were to reject the drink it shows the kid is not scared of authority and would be rejected.
Hmmm this got me wondering is there any other ways the elite try to recruit from the 99.99%?
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I believe Chuck E. Cheese’s was a psyop to transsexualize Generation Z. The furry-to-transsexual pipeline is well-documented. Ever wonder what Charles’ middle initial stood for? Estrogen.
No. 2063209
>>2061886>63% of gen Z men are single compared to 30% of gen Z womenLolwut. Sounds like gen z women are just dating each other.
>>2061229Might be an AI feature. Tech companies seem to love shoving this shit down our throats.
No. 2063516
>>2063499
Yeah I think big pharma drug shilling is one of the big reasons, but I still suspect there are other reasons as well. I think in particular the way hormonal BC pushed women to behave differently sexually with men (be less cautious, more likely to be OK with hookups, 'sexual revolution' etc.) and also that accepting some unnecessary drug pushed on you at an early age is kind of like a compliance test (similar to the recent COVID vaccine which didn't even do anything in most cases although that's a whole other tinfoil sperg I don't wanna get into in this context). Like someone said about the GATE 'minty drink' above (although I went to GATE and was never given a drink) also being a compliance test or something to force women to start not taking control of their own reproduction, not understand their own reproduction, just take randomly given lifelong drugs and accept daily drug use at a very young age.
I had the same experience as you x20 probably with every doctor I saw from age 11 (I got my period at 10) to now in my early thirties. Every health problem I had would be solved by BC. Even if I didn't have health problems, some future acne problem would be solved by BC. Always something. By the time I was in my last year of middle school about half the girls I already knew were on the pill and zero of them were sexually active. They were all just told it would 'help' with something vague, like irregular periods, acne, give them bigger boobs or shinier hair or whatever, or 'if you have sex by accident you won't have to worry!' and none of them were aware of the side effect profile.
No. 2064819
>>2064814I don't know if it's true or not because I was never psyopped into taking it long-term. Under three months and the 50lbs I gained in those three months, constant ovary pain and the several years of no periods afterwards (when they were like clockwork before) was quite enough for me actually.
But I think there is probably some truth to it. A woman's natural cycle would (should) affect her sex drive cyclically and if it is frozen with synthetic hormones I am pretty sure it will cause some cognitive effects. Anecdotally some women I know who went off HBC in an attempt to conceive broke off their marriages/long term relationships because they suddenly weren't attracted to their boyfriends/husbands, which honestly seemed pretty traumatic for them (although personally I didn't really approve of the boyfriends so I guess possibly it was for the best from my subjective perspective?) I don't really buy the claim that women off HBC are into gigachads while women on HBC are into beta soyboys or whatever but it seems to affect attraction in some way, one girl I know said it was a smell thing I think potential effects on attraction are potentially damaging but effects on women's overall sexual behaviors are worse, in the sense that many women I knew had dramatically lowered actual sex drive (admitted it themselves) on birth control but since they were on it they felt pressured to have more NSA/ONS and condomless sex. Several women I know got STIs due to thinking they were 'safe' on HBC (some of these STIs they possibly could have gotten anyway). I think being on bc exerts pressure on women to participate more in 'hookup culture' since the fear of pregnancy is lower, but I don't think that's a good thing. I also don't think moidpandering with 'oh he feels so baaad without condoms' is a good thing either.
No. 2064907
>>2064819Interesting post nonna. I wonder if the hormonal changes from BC have an effect similar to SSRIs/SNRIs on emotion, I've never been on BC but I was on an SNRI and it made me lose most of my emotions, I didn't realize how insidious the effect was until I was forced to go off them for other reasons and my emotions came back
>I think being on bc exerts pressure on women to participate more in 'hookup culture' since the fear of pregnancy is lower, but I don't think that's a good thing.Anything that gives moids excuses to be chimps will get pushed by them either consciously or subconsciously. My tinfoil on liberal feminism is that it was promoted to destroy radical feminism on behalf of the industries that were growing up and profiting off the sexual revolution (especially pornography), psyopping women into identifying with our degradation, objectification and often rape as "empowerment"
A lot of nonnas aren't aware of how bad the rate of SA was from the 1960s up until the 1990s, the only reason the numbers aren't as bad now as they were then is because the boomer moids who were committing them either were killed off or aged out
>>2064849Evangelical and Catholic lunatics on the right made abortion such a hyper politicized issue that we have some states where everything is banned and other states where its legal up to the 9th month
Meanwhile you look at Europe and it has very reasonable limits on abortion without banning it altogether
The original message about abortion was that it should be "legal and safe but rare" and I think it should have stayed that way
No. 2065637
>>2064907Again, anecdotally, I have heard some women who were on both SSRI/SNRI/antipsychotic meds and BC at different times say they do have some similar effects (both on weight and on mood/cognition) but I also have some friends who said they noticed no difference. I was friends with a guy who did research on cognitive and mood changes from BC and estrogen/progesterone supplementation (like in menopause) and his findings were pretty interesting, he said that basically every birth control was slightly different but they all had pretty major cognitive effects, most of them being negative (but he said there were a few positive ones on certain hormone regimens, especially for the postmenopausal women). And this wasn't just mood stuff but also cognition, like working memory, episodic memory, sense of direction interestingly enough, making different decisions (like higher or lower risk decisions) on decision tasks. He also did some rat studies and said that the rats on birth control often got depressed (which is tested by stuff like making them basically swim in a tube with no exits and seeing how long it takes for them to give up and let themselves start to drown) as well as having difficulty with sense of direction/memory in mazes or changing their cognitive strategies for maze tasks. I bet he has published by now, idk his findings with any specifics but when we talked about it he basically admitted to me that although there were some occasional positives he would not personally want his girlfriend or family members taking hormonal BC because of his research. Personally my brief and terrible stint with BC made me feel very emotionally numb and anxious all the time, and I stopped after three months but at that point I was feeling really really bad. It was also crazy how quickly I recovered normal mood afterwards, I felt so much better after only like 2 weeks off it and it had made me extremely inflamed, bloated, etc. so I looked like total shit and gained a bunch of weight in a very short time. Just a hellish medication imo although every one will be a little different for everyone. But I literally just came back from the gyno and she was shilling it again, 'omg you haven't tried other birth controls, maybe the other ones will be better!' Yeah it took me 5 years to recover from that shit fully, no thanks. Doctors really think women's bodies are just a fun little science experiment.
I agree with your tinfoil on libfeminism tbh. It's interesting that it started to crop up more and more at the moment that second wave feminism really started to make actual political gains, like as soon as a bunch of anti marital rape laws, no fault divorce, women being able to have their own credit cards, etc. then camille paglia popped up shilling porn and talking about how great moids are and how she's a feminist who's 'basically like a man.' I don't think it was incidental that as soon as the family unit/marriage and singlehood both became a bit safer for women they started pushing all the sex work, porn, hookup culture and genderist nonsense. First women didn't have choices and as soon as we did 'choice feminism' was born where the 'good' choices are whatever serves men and feminists can't shame other women for those male-aligned choices.
Also I agree about the abortion thing. I think a lot of Americans (and Canadians because Canada has like some of the most lax abortion laws in the world too like the US did until recently) don't understand that there are actual restrictions on abortion in most of those 'leftist democratic' countries people always look up to. I think most EU countries have limits around 16 weeks. My tinfoil about the US abortion thing is that pushing abortions later and later was something US Dems did on purpose to get Republicans to react and try to walk abortion rights back. I think they did this to try to keep women voting Democrat, but I had noticed the abortion sperging from the right wing got a lot more desperate as soon as the 'until birth abortion' shit started getting shilled, which is stupid because there were already exceptions for dangerous pregnancies (there are even exceptions for dangerous pregnancies in places like Poland where abortion is basically banned right now) and basically no one gets abortions that late for any other reason. Literally just trying to incite a crackdown on abortion by Republicans, no one has ever given another plausible reason for these protests and attempted reforms.
No. 2065783
>>2065772Yes this is so important. I am fully convinced that hormonal birth control was created as a way to keep women sick, unhealthy, miserable, overweight, infertile, and dependent on the medical system. They made so much money off of our suffering after jamming birth control down our throats for decades for every single health issue; you have PCOS or heavy periods? Here's bc. Migraines? Bc. Cramps? Bc. Mood issues? Bc. And they start us so young- I was 13 when I went on it and was on it for an embarassingly long time, until I did my research and figured out it was probably the reason I felt so miserable. I've been off it for 18 months and I feel better than ever, literally all my health, mood, low sex drive, memory issues went away within 6 months. Our women's healthcare is sinister.
No. 2065789
>>2065772Yeah my PCOS was basically
triggered fully by birth control. I already had symptoms before then but I was not that fat yet (had gained weight rapidly but I was able to control it somewhat with diet/exercise and I started out very skinny so the weight gain didn't make me look that bad) and I had normal (painful but regular) periods, no hormonal acne, no high testosterone yet. Three months of birth control and I never got a normal period again (until recently, which took many medications and restrictive diets), started uncontrollably getting very obese with diet/exercise completely failing to stop the weight loss for years, developed high testosterone, thyroid issues, extreme joint pain and edema, immune issues like crazy (years of really bad ear infections, kidney infections, devastating flus, etc), like literally every bad and horrifying thing that could happen to my body immediately after just three months of being put on BC to 'control' my PCOS and endo. Oh yeah and my periods got exponentially more painful as well as being irregular and so heavy I would have to change tampons every 15 minutes literally for months on end. I had such heavy nonstop bleeding I had to fucking give up on sports and the gym because I liteally couldn't do anything for more than 15-20 min at a time before I was hemorrhaging blood through my clothes. Also made my pre-existing PTSD symptoms worse, cortisol levels through the roof, panic attacks etc. It was a literal horrific nightmare and ever since I started to improve doctors are back to shilling the birth control saying 'omg just try a different one, maybe that one will be better! Do you really want to get periods every month?' Yes asshole I want to get periods every month if it means never having to take a chance on going through that again. You can tell your doctor you lost a decade of your life to the effects of hormonal BC and they'll just be like 'why don't you try again sweetie?' Now I'm on like 5 different permanent medications (when I wasn't taking any before) and have no idea if I can ever stop taking them and stay normal. I hate the birth control shilling so much, even if it helps some women it should be an active choice with informed consent about all the side effects, not just pushed on every possible woman for every possible reason. Sorry for blogpost but I think women with good birth control experiences don't understand how bad it can get especially if you have PCOS/endo to begin with, it's not a 'treatment' but a bandaid if anything that often exacerbates the issue. Thank god I never developed diabetes or prediabetes but it's probably just because I was eating a very low carb diet to begin with, I probably would be diabetic by now if I'd been eating a 'normal' diet and wasn't a gym rat when this happened.
No. 2065799
>>2065783Oh yeah I forgot about it (paradoxically) killing women's sex drive, yet they are expected to go on it in order to have more sex. Lol. I can't believe they see it as completely fine to fuck with women's memory and cognitive abilities from late childhood (I was 11 when it was first shilled to me by a doctor and many of my friends were around the same age), interfering with schooling and grades and the potential to develop passions and hobbies. Imagine if there was a drug shilled to every young boy that made him worse at exams, mentally rotating objects, math or writing or whatever, and navigation. Do you really think parents would be letting their moidlets take it? This is why I hate how HBC has been associated with feminism.
I also knew a girl who had such bad side effects on BC (mood issues mostly) that she was given the depo provera shot because it 'doesn't do that' and ended up developing psychosis for 6 months to the point she had to drop out of 2 semesters of school. Like full blown schizo psychosis, hallucinations, paranoia, etc.
No. 2065824
>>2065822Yeah considering that almost no one takes the pill 'perfectly' meaning at the exact same time every day, always avoiding the foods that make it work less well (grapefruit etc), it's actually less effective than condom use by quite a bit. Not sure why they act like it's the most effective form of birth control, it's not, and it doesn't prevent STIs either so it's inferior in that regard.
I suspect many doctors do get paid or get favors from pharma reps like being taken out for nice dinners, swag bags or whatever. But I also think they probably get taught in school or by the medical association that they 'should' get most girls on birth control, to prevent teenage pregnancy or whatever. The absurd things doctors told me as a teen to get me on it lmao, I remember this old male doctor telling me 'even if you don't have sex, sometimes you might be fooling around and then there will suddenly be sperm flying everywhere and it can fall into your vagina' lmao. What? Another older (female) doctor told me that just because I'm celibate doesn't mean I won't get pregnant because 'you can't stop when you're in the mood.'
No. 2065876
>>2065824I actually have a family member that worked in the pharma industry and yeah, she had travels to other countries for fancy "meetings" all the time, designer clothing and she genuinely believed everything she was taught, even when certain medications were found out to be very harmful, she tried to get me on SSRIS when I was feeling bad my bf broke up with me and tons of other shit, even if she doesn't work there anymore she's still a true believer, I don't doubt many doctors are the same.
>>2065836I think the concept is very interesting! I certainly believed it at some point and felt it at various places with a certain "atmosphere", however I believe it is our own mind/doing not the place in itself. I'll have to look more into it though, I never heard of it before.
No. 2065939
>>2065912>77 million views for a video with kids doing yogaAmong them are men who are your fathers, brothers, uncles, boyfriends, cousins, teachers and "friends"
Also that video got me a little emotional when his voice started to break, apparently he was molested as a kid so this case makes him evn more angry. I was almost abused by an adult man when I was a kid but I was lucky to got away in time. And even despite that, I still feel traumatized from that encounter. It really makes my blood boil
No. 2065945
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>>2065930Tinfoilers will never become mainstream and even get people to talk to them if they spout weird anti semitism eveywhere. It’s impossible for men to criticise pedophilia itself so they will just blame Da Joos for it. What a cowardly way out.
No. 2065988
>>2065637Ironically, Camille was more or less cancelled about a decade ago because the nascent TRA movement was furious that she said this:
"And I found in my study that history is cyclic, and everywhere in the world you find this pattern in ancient times: that as a culture begins to decline, you have an efflorescence of transgender phenomena. That is a symptom of cultural collapse."
No. 2066077
>>2065871Many years ago, in the mid-2000s I was going down the rabbit hole of depleted uranium use in Iraq and Afghanistan. At the time there was many theories that depleted uranium was causing horrific birth defects and increased rates of cancer. There were several interviews of scientists that seemed to confirm this, one article proposed orgone as a way to repair the DNA damage done by depleted uranium exposure.
Interestingly nearly all of the conspiracies surrounding depleted uranium have been scrubbed from the internet.
No. 2066206
>>2065637very interesting anectode nonna. i found the combined estrogen/progesterone pill extremely helpful for mood stabilisation as i have had a tendency for severe premenstrual dysphoria since menarchy. i definitely got that emotional numbness but it was preferable to the alternative at that time. now that im an adult and am more resilient emotionally/have had a lot of therapy to help with my destructive urges i am off bc and dont intend to go back on it ever.
also the progesterone only pill completely fucked my skin and mood when i switched to that because of concerns about my migraine history and being on exogenous estrogen.
No. 2066329
>>2066206Hmm. I now know the estrogen in the pill was the main reason it fucked me up so bad (in my case having PCOS/endo, it worsened both) but progestins also have mood effects and risks like you said. I'm on bioidentical progesterone now (much less risky) and it is a godsend, it helped a lot with insomnia and panic attacks, so I'm not saying that no one should ever try to rebalance their hormones, the problem is that BC is often treated as 'rebalancing' your hormones but basically never/rarely is. Yes it contains hormone analogues to your natural hormones (they're not exactly the same substance though) but it makes you take those hormones in a pattern that is unnatural. I bet you could have accomplished something like a resolution of your PMDD with a hormonal treatment that didn't require 'tricking your body into pregnancy' too, if the BC helped.
Anyway I'm glad it helped but I'm glad you also can handle it better now, I never had PMS mood issues before until my reproductive issues got really bad and then I started experiencing really severe mood effects before my periods, so I wonder if PMDD isn't just actually an unbalanced/abnormal reproductive hormone issue in itself. I don't think it 'should' be natural for women to get debilitatingly moody or emotionally distressed/anxious every month. That being said for me personally the numb/anxious feeling 24/7 was a lot worse than having 2-3 days of emotional dystregulation, as long as you have a support system, recognize what is happening and are able to identify 'oh this is PMDD, these are not my real/normal thoughts' I think it can become manageable. Mine have become better just by treating my PCOS though thank god.
It is a shame that the 'use birth control for everything, it's so great!' attitude of the medical industry has actually led to there being almost no other research conducted on female reproductive illnesses and conditions though. Like I think there must be potential for things like PMDD to be treated without birth control, but since they always just go with the 'push BC for any reproductive related issue in female patients' option they likely haven't even tried to come up with any other ideas. It's the same with PCOS, there is very little research done testing out actual treatments (let alone determining etiology), it's bizarre considering how common this disease is becoming.
No. 2066543
>>2064849Medications are generally never tested on female mice. All medications being administered to female patients are effectively a science experiment. This pertains to systems the average person wouldn't suspect to be extremely sexually dimorphic (anything affecting neurotransmitters, for example).
>>2065897This isn't tinfoil, this is known to be correct for most newly approved drugs. No, doctors don't care. SSRI and anti-amyloid drug research fraud is most notable.
>>2065822Yes, they literally get paid. No, it doesn't matter if the medication is "generic".
>>2065789Acquired PCOS in healthy women is likely
triggered by birth control due to homeostatic compensation. The way hormone-altering drugs work is that they're by definition not fully predictable. Introducing large quantities of an exogenous hormone might do anything from shutting off your natural production to making it skyrocket, or forcing your body to make more of the other hormones. Cessation or an imperfect regimen can also cause a variety of paradoxical effects. There's a reason why going on TRT turns a man into a eunuch eventually, and this is just one very primitive example.
>>2064849Probably due to being memed. There's an entire country where surgical abortion was routinely used as birth control and no one agonized over it. I'm gonna let nonnas guess which one.
No. 2066575
>>2066543Yeah for sure re: all medications on females essentially being a science experiment somewhere down the line, but with most other drugs there aren't 239394834 versions that doctors will blithely switch between whenever you don't like one of them, you are informed of side effects beforehand, and it's probably not shilled to perfectly healthy people starting at age 10 incessantly for most of their lives at every single medical appointment. Like my doctor won't just offer me, idk, a statin for no reason every time I come in to the office even though I have no heart health markers (I know statins don't work but at least they're not being shilled to me).
The SSRI research isn't just fraudulent, the research that's actually published all shows they basically don't work anyway. I really, really don't understand why the general public continues to take SSRIs and believe they work when all therapists and the psychiatric community know they don't work at all.
Regarding PCOS
triggered by birth control in cases where someone already has mild PCOS symptoms or endo it is likely due to the estrogen content since the likeliest root reason for PCOS is overly high estrogen (and low progesterone). In someone who already has high estrogen, supplementing additional estrogen can push their system over the edge. There might be other mechanisms at play too but this is the simplest and most likely. If you were really fully healthy beforehand, I think you're right that there could be a number of unpredictable reasons for it to be
triggered, but I think most women who have PCOS '
triggered' already had overly high estrogen levels/low progesterone levels due to chronic stress and environmental pollutants.
No. 2066608
>>2066575The reasons why they're still prescribed are complex. The monoamine hypothesis of mental illness emerged because psychiatry is not falsifiable, and psychoanalysts needed to become "real doctors" to maintain the credibility of their field. That required the invention of something that would present subjective emotional experiences as a real physical disease, similar to diabetes. Current practitioners are somewhat unable to avoid the reality that SSRIs are at best ineffective, but continue prescribing because they think the patient will benefit from the placebo effect and the aura of stigma-alleviating scientism surrounding depression.
As for BC, it's fairly common for it to cause high T symptoms upon cessation (acne, emotionality, etc), which can plausibly
trigger a cascade of metabolic changes that result in PCOS. If it doesn't do that, you'll get the opposite - permanently elevated levels of SHBG, making you into a low energy depressed hypogonadic blob without some form of hormone replacement.
Overall it's useful to know that if you are outwardly healthy, you don't have an "imbalanced" anything. That's a crapshoot assumption made by prescribers. Let me guess, they don't test anything before proclaiming that X hormone/neurotransmitter needs "balancing"? Yeah, that means the meds will actually be putting you in a state of imbalance. And chances are, after getting on BC you'll be handed an SSRI or an antipsychotic, thus concluding your transition into an overmedicated Hers subscriber.
No. 2066663
>>2066608>The monoamine hypothesis of mental illness emerged because psychiatry is not falsifiable, and psychoanalysts needed to become "real doctors" to maintain the credibility of their field. That required the invention of something that would present subjective emotional experiences as a real physical disease, similar to diabetes.Yes I know, and I'm fully aware that amongst themselves they all say 'well at least the placebo effect!!' or 'but we won't get research funding if we admit the DSM is a crock of shit!' but I don't get why patients keep using them and why psychiatrists are happy to look like such retards in front of patients. I would just be too embarrassed to keep prescribing something to hundreds of people that I know doesn't work, they know doesn't work, and has severe withdrawal symptoms. The credibility of the medical sciences, but especially psychology/psychiatry, are in the tank right now yet they're happy to make it worse.
The high T and SHBG itself is likely due to the raised estrogen in the first place as high T is usually downstream of unnaturally elevated estrogen levels.
Of course people don't have 'neurotransmitter balance' problems, we haven't even figured out how cognition and mood work in the brain yet we're gonna pretend we know how to 'balance' the 'chemicals'? Now you've made me wonder if there's stats on the correlation between BC and SSRI use, I noticed a lot of people seem to 'need' SSRIs for the depression BC causes but I've never actually looked into whether there's a correlation.
No. 2066675
>>2065637>. Personally my brief and terrible stint with BC made me feel very emotionally numb and anxious all the time, and I stopped after three months but at that point I was feeling really really bad.I'm ever more grateful that my mom is a granola munching hippie that hates big pharma. Sorry to hear it was so hard on you nonna
>First women didn't have choices and as soon as we did 'choice feminism' was born where the 'good' choices are whatever serves men and feminists can't shame other women for those male-aligned choices.Agreed, the biggest problem feminism has had over the past 60 years is separating personal freedoms that were arbitrarily suppressed by patriarchy from personal freedoms that were suppressed for societal/ethical reasons
It seems as if feminism went from liberating us from arbitrary oppression to seeing any moral arguments for limiting freedoms as oppression in and of itself.
If anything, we should have been pushing for
more limitations on moid sexuality rather than abolishing all the social and legal norms that curbed the worst of their behaviour towards women.
If you start from the position that normalizing all sexual behaviour, deviant or otherwise, is empowerment for women, you lose the argument for banning pornography right off the bat, and feminists outside of the libfem bubble have been punching bags for the right and the left since the 1980s.
No. 2066677
>>2066675I didn't want to take the BC either, I was more or less forced by my doctor (blackmailed that she wouldn't give me other health care unless I 'tried it' first).
I would argue it's not per se good to 'limit freedoms' for women, but you don't have to limit other women's freedoms to criticize and shame them when you really don't agree with what they're doing. I wouldn't want to be in a position to 'force' other women to be feminist, but it is very bothersome that 'pretending to agree with/agreeing with everything other women do' is the new standard here. Sexual behavior by moids (which is often actually violent) does often need to be suppressed by force but again, with stuff like porn, I think shame and social censure actually would have gone a really long way before it was completely normalized, and Paglia was a huge influence on it becoming completely normalized during this period.
No. 2066691
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>>2066677I'm not so concerned about limiting womens' freedoms so much as limiting moid freedoms in the context of the 1960s-1970s sexual revolution.
>with stuff like porn, I think shame and social censure actually would have gone a really long way before it was completely normalizedThat's the thing, its criminalized in many parts of the world but scrotes in those countries still seek it out because they're like dogs smelling a bitch in heat
Moid sexuality is by its very nature violent and obsessive and we need to have hard controls on what they have access to and can do.
Women can handle sexual freedom because for most of us, it just means not tolerating
abusive or unfulfilling relationships, for moids giving them any leeway results in sex addiction and eventually killing themselves from disease or extreme sex acts, and of course sexual violence against women.
Just compare lesbians to gay moids and you see what I mean. Gays are what happens when moids aren't sexually constrained by women, iirc there was as much as a 20 year life expectancy gap between gay and straight moids during the AIDS epidemic.
No. 2066705
>>2066691Yeah the fact that 'anti-pornography laws' don't work at all is exactly the reason I say our best chance in the past was deep social censure and shame of any moid who so much as thought of or talked about porn. Before they were all mindfucked from watching it compulsively at age 9. After that it's too late, and cultures like SK that ban porn normalize it and consider it acceptable too, even if they're not 'supposed' to watch it.
Is the syphilis due to bi men? WTF.
No. 2066725
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>>2066705>Yeah the fact that 'anti-pornography laws' don't work at all is exactly the reason I say our best chance in the past was deep social censure and shame of any moid who so much as thought of or talked about porn.The reason they didn't work is because all the porn is hosted in our countries, so they just used proxies to get to it. For example, Indian scrotes grew up watching porn from America on their smartphones and now see all white women as sex objects they're entitled to, which is why they are so creepy and perverted towards us. If we had nipped pornography in the bud instead of letting it take root (the pivotal moment was the Hollywood movie The Pawnbroker breaking the pre-1964 Production Code that kept pornography out of Hollywood) we would be in a completely different situation
I do agree that the cat's out of the bag and I'm not sure what we can even to do about it. We went from moids smuggling Playboys in the woods in the 90s-2000s to hardcore pornography on kids tablets now. Even if we were to wipe out pornography tomorrow, we have entire generations of moids that are damaged beyond repair.
>Is the syphilis due to bi men? WTF.Mostly gay moids on the down low. They catch it from each other in their undercover orgies and then spread it to their wives and girlfriends. Lesbians and gay moids are not comparable whatsoever, whoever decided that L and G should be under the same umbrella was evil
No. 2066730
>>2066675BC was required as palliative care for heterosexual women. It had its (transitional) role while women were still chattel, but now is the time to move away from it. No woman should be required to destroy her endocrine system just so she can be nutted into.
>>2066691You can thank prep for this btw. In a sense it's birth control for moids.
>>2066663>>2063906There is most certainly a pharma trajectory for women at play, which usually goes kinda like this:
>meme women with gender-nonspecific lamentations about the health effects of "loneliness">funnel them into relationships >unprotected sex is mandatory >eternally and forever: prescription for endocrine nuke for pregnancy >every 6 months: genotoxic chemo-antibiotics like Flagyl because dick=forever bacterial vaginosis>cue depression, acne, PCOS, metabolic issues and a million mystery autoimmune diseases from the combination of dick and above mentioned polypharmacy >time for SSRIs, antipsychotics, accutane, spironolactone, retinol, ozempic, low dose naltrexone, God knows what else for chronic pain, steroids, etc etc etc>cue more disease>rinse and repeat til grave No. 2067228
A rather bleak tinfoil, but I think we are kinda never making it out of the patriarchy. Moids will always desire power and control over women. If not financial and physical like back in the days, then sexual like now. Anything else will make them REEE to the point they make things bad for everyone, and the government knows it, so it has to sort of balance things out. I know a lot of yall blame porn addiction for a lot of problems in society but if it wasn't for that, moids would go full insane. And they will never agree on full and actual equality because at some point they are physically uncapable of that, it's how they were designed by nature. There always has to be a trade-off with moids. My tinfoil is that since women in the west will not want to give up their rights and porn isn't doing enough anymore, moids will import women from third world countries to do free service for them. I don't like this idea but it feels like it's impossible to not sacrifice a group of women for "the greater good".
Also, liberal feminist promote prostitution for that very reason, the women at the top know how things are, they know they will have to throw other women under the bus to keep things running.
I really like a theory a nona here had that government doesn't do anything to stop porn consumption because it knows moids will look for illegal stuff and it will be able to have a thing to hold over their heads just in case.
No. 2067283
>>2067228The men who use more porn are more insane than the men who don't, so no. Moids didn't have porn for the vast majority of human history and they were not worse than now.
I agree that moids won't just be convinced to stop trying to control women though, of course, but women do have a level of power now that we've returned to women starting to control sexual selection more. Which is exactly why moids are so insistent on human trafficking and 'passport bros' shit.
No. 2068104
>>2067327Eh, there's an insane amount of women who report getting pregnant on BC lately. Not to mention a lot of the methods are horrible, not just the side effects but the way it's taken
>Birth control pillSame time every single day, can't miss a day at all. If you have a chaotic schedule it's unrealistic
>IUDNo numbing, no pain relief, get extremely painful??
>ShotsSeems fine but doctors offices suck at scheduling in a timely manner
>PatchesDo I really need to explain?
>Implant Holy shit don't get me started, so many complications, almost never effective, also no pain relief
I swear to God people are convinced misogyny doesn't exist anymore yet only women would be expected to deal with so much pain and side effects so a scrote can feel slightly better during sex
No. 2068312
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>>2067228>My tinfoil is that since women in the west will not want to give up their rights and porn isn't doing enough anymore, moids will import women from third world countries to do free service for them.I'd prefer that over what's actually happening, we are mass importing third world scrotes at such high levels that its affecting the gender ratio in Canada
They abort their girls at such a high rate that there are several villages in India that haven't had female births for multiple years, and we also see this gender ratio at birth problem even here in Canada where they've settled in large numbers
>>2067306On the one hand I want to shut down immigration from these third world countries due to their scrotes but on the other hand I read posts from women living in their countries and how they desperately want to escape
If we could just shut down moid immigration (or maybe restrict it to approved countries based on their status of women) but allow the women escaping those hellholes in (at reasonable numbers) I would vote for it and I think many other people would as well
No. 2068853
>>2068312i think there would be a lot of support for female-only border entry. the problem is many of these women are going to have sons with them. a little boy without
toxic male influence has a good chance of positively adjusting to a new environment but if a scroteling has already hit puberty he has had plenty of time to develop the same misogynistic views and behaviors as the moids in his home country.
No. 2069577
>>2069566I've seen nonnas in threads thinking 1984 referred to the year lmao. High school education is in the pits.
Anyway I think Orwell was, but to my knowledge he was not literally in these very wealthy families like Huxley was. The reason a lot of those authors seemed to have a 'crystal ball' is they literally did, via the aims and goals of the people they hung out with.
No. 2070359
>>2070299Last night my normie (and manipulative…and emotionally unstable…) sister got pissed at my mom for thinking Joe Biden is mentally not all there and that it’s been purposefully hidden “huff puff you believe that conspiracy theory, you’re smarter than that”
Goddam if she only knew the “conspiracy theories” I believe.
No. 2070463
>>2070393I think the people controlling Biden are afraid of a resurgence of the far right under a Trump presidency, so they deliberately downplayed Biden's dementia in the media from 2020 to now to keep him in office. Kamala would become president of Biden gets 25th'd, and she is even less popular than Biden, she dropped out of the 2020 Democratic primary with less than 1000 votes.
Now it's becoming obvious that Biden in his condition will lose to Trump, so they staged this debate before the 2024 Democratic nomination in order to give the media an out for dumping Biden and pushing a new candidate, maybe Newsom or Michelle Obama. This is the first time ever that a debate was held before the official nomination, and we are seeing the media turning on Biden almost on a dime.
No. 2070779
>>2068312I've been saying this for so long. Almost all of the problems with immigration would be solved if they only allowed women migrants. Unironically it would be good for 1st world incel types too since a slightly higher women to man ratio would result in a lot of unhappy men finally being picked.
>>2068853This is the issue. I know it's cold but the women should be childless or have daughters. No bringing the sons with them.
No. 2071078
>>2070955Look at the fucker, isn’t it obvious?
>>2071059Where do you even fucking acquire these drugs? I’m jealous of anons and even normie women who get their hands on these things. Anyways I’m sure it’s some woowoo bullshit but
I can’t let gang know I fuck with this video and the thumbnail even though I’m sure it’s bizarre thanks anon No. 2071081
>>2071059I watched some of the video and it’s so stupid, that woman isn’t a man she’s just ugly but the video creator is pretty funny kekkk, love female schizos
>>2071080thanks
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I know the porn industry is already godawful, but I'm actually starting to believe that the same people running it are directly connected to the production of cp and torture porn
No. 2073011
>>2072691I generally assume whenever anything happens in politics it's part of the elites' long term plans because I feel like in modern 'democracies' people really have no say and even 'dark horse'/antiestablishment candidates wouldn't get there if they were truly dark horses. There might be a few exceptions to this where the element of surprise genuinely allows some antiestablishment 'third party' candidate to run away with a surprise victory but idk…
That being said I think the support for weird formerly minor parties on the part of voters is largely organic, I just don't think those parties themselves are truly 'outside' of the establishment.
No. 2073147
>>2073033Are you brazillian
nonnie?
No. 2073640
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This is definitely a tranny, can’t convince me otherwise. Pickle is Florence and the Machine. This might be one of the only transvestigation that makes sense. It’s also not far out of left field that there are many covert trannies in the entertainment industry, one example is NikkieTutorials who didn’t tell anyone about him being trans. Don’t even lie that you could tell, nobody could through all of that makeup but now I see that he looks like a fattened male on estrogen.(transvestigating)
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>>2073640Samefag, more pics of Florence’s body
No. 2073652
>>2073641I didn't know nikkitutorials was trans but I remember seeing their content once and their face was super weird to me, I couldn't put my finger on it but once I heard it clicked. But Florence is definitely a woman she's just kinda haggard, take a look at the hands, it's a dead tell.
>>2073073This woman's voice is like the female version of the burger King food lettuce guy
No. 2073656
>>2073648There’s a difference between an ugly man and an ugly woman though
nonny>>2073652You can’t tell because your hands can look small from afar. If you saw their hands in real life it would tell a different story, also their hands look pretty mannish.
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>>2073640anon all you had to do is to take a look at her next to a moid
No. 2073691
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>>2073687Have you never seen a shorter moid before anon you don’t have any brothers or uncles or a dad who’s short? Their cranial structure look nearly identical. Post-op feminization surgery troons who can afford high-end surgery and top dollar healthcare can manage to “pass” close enough to a real woman, the same with successful and expensive female to male transitions which look surprisingly close to the real deal.
No. 2073692
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>>2073689Lia Thomas build
No. 2073702
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>>2073695Hands don’t matter, men can have smaller hands than other males. Just because another man is beefier in stature doesn’t mean that they aren’t a male
>>2073699There is nothing GNC about their body kek, that is a man. Even the most masculine appearing woman does not look like that at all
(transvestigating) No. 2073710
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>>2073702She has the uterus pooch that cisgendered women have. Just admit that she doesn't conform to your ridiculous beauty standards.
No. 2073714
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>>2073702This is her face when she was younger. She was anorexic and an alcoholic, that unfortunately is very hard on the body. At least she accepts herself and hasn't altered her appearance.
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>>2073710Men can have whatever you’re talking about without having a uterus. Their adonis belt is hidden through all of that estrogen pill fat.
>>2073714Intense face shooping, also how do we really know that was her or not kek. Also many rich trannies transition in their youth and these trans female celebrities have parents who are connected to the CIA and many government agencies. It’s not a coincidence that Jamie Lee Spears son has trooned out, it’s not a coincidence that Lebron James’ son is going to look nearly identical to a biological woman. You people take medical advancements for granted, it’s not for us they make these advancements for them to be able to blend into society.
(transvestigating) No. 2073727
>>2073725That is not even comparable to a uterus pouch like what the other
nonny was talking about kekkkk
No. 2073730
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>>2073706Plenty of women don’t have this body type, if you’ve gone to the beach or went to a community pool you would know that. You’re trying desperately to call me an ED-haver or a schizo for something that’s definitely in the realms of possibility and projecting your own insecurities about your fridge built body on to something that is objective. Women are not built like that and I don’t care what rare examples you pull, we are not talking about you with shitty genetics and a hormonal imbalance or other individuals of an ambiguous sex, we are talking about averages here. Look at this diverse range of bodies and they still have something in common, Hanoi’s fat distributed to their waists, stomach region, thighs, breasts. Florence doesn’t have any of that and don’t even bring anorexic women or skinny women up because again this isn’t about unique examples. The most bad-bodied women have these markers, Florence does not.
(transvestigating) No. 2073734
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More examples of what Florence is able to have due to hormones and surgery at a young age
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>>2073734Last photo. You would be surprised how much baby pics don’t matter, a young boy child and a girl child don’t look different because of their physical prepubescent immaturity.
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>>2073730and yet, there still exists women like this for example
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>>2073750>Of course you ugly ass bitches had to go and ban transvestigations because you were born mutated, I hate y’all so much.uhuh
No. 2073790
>>2073748> The degeneracy that happens at gay pride and 99% of it is done by males (though I've never seen lesbians behave degenerately), is pretty abhorrent and there has to be a bigger reasoning behind it. The degeneracy of gay moids is just peak moid sexuality when it's not gate kept by women, who tend to have lower lobidos and less degenerate sexuality. But I agree and am personally finding myself increasingly grossed out by gay men, although I realize not all of them are like that.
The gay male subreddits like askgaybros are a real peek behind the curtain if you want to be grossed out even more
No. 2073808
>>2073641Looks like a woman to me. Look at the hips.
>>2073692Not at all, he has far, far wider shoulders than her, she's closer to a rectangle.
No. 2073819
>>2073725Kek, Jamie Lee Spears? You mean Jamie Lynn Spears? She's broke as fuck now. She has zero social power, she can't even make money off of her own name now. The Spears family is white trash, Lynn and Jamie Spears are all doing terribly without Britney's money and Jamie Lynn is only afloat because of her husband.
>>2073734This looks like typical bio male weight gain pattern to me, that isn't a uterus pooch. The fat is all around and not centered just beneath the belly button where the uterus is located (because there is none).
>>2073746100%. It's disgusting. Women exist who have rectangle bodies and inverted triangle bodies where the shoulders are wider than the hips. People sound so pornified in the head when they make claims that women all have the same weight gain pattern, all must have huge hips, and it feels like repackaged bioessentialism. I have bigger fish to fry than transgenderism on a daily basis.
No. 2074085
>>2035008>I don't think we're going to do the correct thing and fix the societal problems that lead us to feel like we need to take these drugs to keep up.This post is so well-worded, eloquent-chan. I recently hiked for 6 weeks on a well-preserved trail that goes through wilderness like I’ve never seen with my fiancee. We saw about 10-20 other people throughout an entire day, usually just a few at a time. We exercised (walked) from the time we woke up to the time we got to camp at night, with a break during the heat of the day to eat lunch and nap. Since getting back, I weep for modern society and what we’ve created, I wish those in power would reconsider advancing technology at a break-neck pace. It didn’t have to be this way: paved, dead, stressed, loud, crowded, depressed, lonely, wasteful and SEDENTARY. I genuinely believe so many of our problems would be solved if our population was about a half or a quarter of what it is today and we were more nomadic. Every day my physical exhaustion matched my mental exhaustion, whereas in society I am usually just mentally exhausted and have trouble sleeping. On trail there is little planning, usually just where is the next water source? Also how much food you need when you go into town. It’s so quiet - no cars, no construction, no talking, no music, no TV, just an occasional airplane. Riding in the car is loud to me now, it’s like the sound of the wind in the trees has been stolen from me. Basic peace and quiet is purchased and destroyed by advertisers so I can no longer hear myself think. I can’t believe how many YouTube videos I used to watch in a day, just because I wasn’t used to quiet. Back on topic, I agree adderall is a PED but I resent any expectation that workers will use it to “keep up.” The big, powerful moves we make when we are going so fast are polluting our planet and causing psychic damage to our population. Those who propel technological advances need to reconsider what their end goal is. Medical technology continues to prop up populations that would pass away without intervention. Transportation and industrial technology pollutes on an incredible scale. Phone technology has conditioned us to expect a new model each year, which also creates tremendous waste. Everyday people need to carefully consider their behavior as well. We are overpopulated and everyone “hates people lolol” but keeps having kids. Single-use is the norm as we don’t want to leave the house with things we might need like utensils, cups, bags. We are very prone to consumerism where I live as it’s considered normal to own many, many things and buy things just because they’re cute. Like a magpie. I can’t totally blame people individually because the tranquility and simple happiness of life has been put behind walls and hoops and we naturally seek out comfort. There is way too much to think about and too many systems to navigate in everyday life, so why choose to live in a society that is so unpleasant and unfulfilling? Why continue to uphold the pillars that make it so? Do we have a choice? Praying for Mad Max soon.
No. 2074528
>>2074085im with you anon but
>Praying for Mad Max soon.wym… mad max shows how a decaying society which only retains physical might (ie no moral values, religious values, etc) as an axis of social power inevitably permits scrotes to live their violent tyrannical death drive fantasies and keep women as livestock. literal nightmare scenario
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>>2073011>>2073646maybe it's planned, maybe not. All I know is that basically everyone I knew in school still lives with their parents, something that was rare in my country just a few decades ago, the housing market is unbelievably screwed-up right-now
No. 2075028
>>2075023I understand
nonnie but
>I daydream about being one of those spoiled wives Wont happen. Sure life is shit but you will only make it worse by allowing a moid full control over your life.
No. 2075075
>>2075067Good for you
nonnie.
No. 2075090
>>2075023you talk about hating modern life but are you retarde enough to believe majority of women used to be jobless stay at home mothers and not just the richest part of american women. like have you ever heard about maids. where did this idea come from that women never worked before last 50 years?
too bad i can't find a great post about how the people and so called trads will never have the life they want to because they never know the rules of the actual, real upper class religious conservatives who were born into it.
No. 2075109
>>2074994Sage for rambling but I think it’s great. It’s only a ‘psyop’ if you pick a man who doesn’t have same/similar core values but that’s true of any relationship. If you’re able to stay at home and raise your kids it’s worth it. Daycare is not - to pay someone else to raise your kids while you give them two weeks/mo earnings. No. There are different stressors but you gain a lot more skills - cooking, cleaning, save on gas, buy used clothes, find sales etc.
I’d argue the ones doing it for the camera are probably fake and not putting in the work for their families, maybe that’s the ‘psyop’ lol.
No. 2075124
>>2075119Not at all in my experience and daycare staff are often
abusive. Daycare also doesn't provide the education and richness of experience having a good parent or parent(s) taking care of you can provide. A lot of early indoctrination of children can happen at these ages too. I think it is better for kids to be with (loving) parents and have friends in their neighborhood but the main problem is for the women getting back into the workforce.
No. 2075160
>>2075109>>2075142of course it's a psyop, have you frgotten sexism exists or what
>>2075141part time jobs will do jack shit for your future career or retirement pensions.
ask yourselves: if staying at home is so great why don't more moids do it?
No. 2075164
>>2075124That's why you do research and send kids to regular government-owned daycares and not auntie Gertrude's family meth lab that doubles as a kindergarten.
>Daycare also doesn't provide the education and richness of experience having a good parent or parent(s) taking care of you can provideAs someone who works with iPad kids on a daily basis I'm not so convinced. Being born to good parents who aren't
abusive trash is already a gamble but relying on parents to be objective and educate their children better than a professional with years of pedagogical training is an even bigger one. I personally had a great time at daycare and learned English really well even though neither of my parents spoke it, which would not have been the case had they taken care of me instead of working and I'd have been bullied in school for being a FOB instead. Plus the majority of parents who fearmonger about daycares are some flavor of religious or otherwise delusional and end up passing on their degeneracy onto their kids, particularly girls.
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>>2075164My brief stint in daycare was a government-run one, actually supposedly the best in the city that was associated with the university. It was still a cold dark room you had to stay in for most of the day, you were 'forced' to nap at a specific time and yelled at if you fidgeted/opened your eyes, spent most of the day playing with shitty plastic toys or on a tiny dinky plastic playground as opposed to my out-of-daycare experience which was freeform play all day with friends, mostly outdoors, sports and imaginative games, riding my bike, skateboard, skating, tobogganing, outings and day trips to nature parks and events with parents, no forced napping, no playing with shitty plastic toys, and reading at my actual grade level and actual personalized education from my parents.
Most of the 'smart' or high achieving adults I know and have talked to about their early childhood experiences did not go to daycare, and those that did often were pulled out quickly because they were rotting there. There are plenty of stories about staff at these 'good' government run daycares being
abusive, or indoctrinating kids with shit like drag queen story hours etc. My parents didn't speak English when I was that age either but I learned from the neighborhood kids I played with while the parents took turns 'lightly' supervising. I became depressed and listless within days of being put in daycare, I can't imagine how depressing it would be to live a life like that for literal years.
No. 2075312
>>2074994Whether or not it's a good idea depends on the moid, the woman and what they both want out of life. I'm a SAHM and I've been a housewife since I was married nearly ten years ago. It works for us. However I've always been fully aware that becoming totally dependent on a scrote was a bad idea and should our relationship ever go wrong, I have my own assets and savings, as well as whatever I would get after splitting our joint assets during a divorce. Financially I would be better off after a divorce than I would be if I had stayed single and kept working. I'm still qualified to do my original job and could return to it if I needed to.
I wasn't even aware of "tradwife" bullshit until it was posted on LC and I would agree that the thinking behind it is retarded. A long term secure relationship isn't going to happen if it's built on some pornified submission fetish. A successful relationship is made of equal partners both getting what they want out of it.
No. 2075562
>>2074994I thought about it a lot and I'd honestly rather be the breadwinner if I'm going to make a family with a (highly vetted and psychologically stable) moid. At least then you can set the norms for how the kids will be raised and what is to be expected from the moid. And we are wired for empathy and compassion unlike moids so we would make better leaders in the relationship than they would.
Moids just want to be tyrants which is why they'd rather have a woman as a domestic servant than one who earns a lot of money and doesn't have to tolerate their shitty behavior
No. 2075568
>>2074994I’m tired of working. If I am able to find a mood that’s not porn-addicted or porn-starved, good looking, not crazy as fuck, tall and handsome and has money I would gladly be a housewife. I don’t care about feminism anymore that shit gets you nothing but low pay and more economic competitiveness, it materially does nothing for you and all it has done is shackle you to domestic labor
and work labor.
No. 2075610
>>2075601>You’ve never had a boyfriend or had sex.Thankfully
>>2075602>pinkpilledWomen will always be inherently submissive in heterosexual relationships. Cope.