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No. 1313354
>>1313350Because it's a hypercapitalist movement that benefits scrotes, and it successfully masquerades as being similar to previous civil rights movements. It also creates guilt-free consumption, misogyny, racism, and homophobia by presenting these things as being helpful to "another oppressed group", one which anyone can ID as. You never have to feel guilty for being white, straight, male, neurotypical, or able-bodied, if
you are the "most oppressed type of person", or even just "fighting for them" (saying ally mantras on Twitter).
No. 1313365
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cheers for the new thread anon!
found this while scrolling earlier, i'm so fed up of shit like this
No. 1313415
>>1313352>>1313354>>1313393>>1313387OP here. Thanks for the feedback nice been doing research but you really have to tread lightly nowadays. I didn’t know about detrans blogs/stories until a few days ago. I wish those were as
valid and pushed as the “anime porn help me wanna be dick like a girl and make skirt go spiny uwu”. But yeah I agree. A lot of it seems to be because (mainly white) men are at the forefront of the movement and I believe they’re in a place where they’re backed into a corner to be held responsible for actual oppressed groups so now they’re back peddling with “w-well..!!! You don’t know how
abusive it is to ME knowing you can get a period!!”
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Troon writer on a thread about sexual abuse in writing, to no ones surprise, admits to never write anything without a rape scene in it
No. 1313422
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>>1313365First two accounts are boring, first one is seriously terminally online, scrolled like 10 pages worth of media trying for a selfie, left once i saw it was 1.5 days worth of posts. Greasy femboy, go take a shower.
Second one is your standard alt troon, nothing special.
The third one is one creepy transbian, regularly cope posts about how T4T is so great. He really hates the Cis peepull. He looks like the type of troon that joins the HER app expecting to get showered with pussy.
No. 1313423
>>1313421>>1313420This is incredibly gross, but he has literally the same talking points of every man writer I’ve seen defending their decision to write gratuitous rape scenes.
Tbh the only SFF novel I’ve read where it hasn’t felt gratuitous were Robin Hobb’s Liveship Trader series but those books were about the limitations and damage women experience under a misogynistic society overall.
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I don’t know if anyone else watches pro-wrestling but it kills me a little how the big “woke” promotion barely gives their women roster any air time but made a man their first “women’s champion” and put him at the centre of this battle royale graphic picrel.
From a men in women’s sports perspective since wrestling is fake and they do inter gender matches, it’s not that I think he’s gonna break a woman’s face like Fallon Fox but it still makes me angry that he’s taking up the very limited opportunities that women have in the company. I guess it’s what I get for watching a scrote tv show.
No. 1313459
>>1313420>>1313421Sage for blogposting. The more I grow up the more I feel disgusted by rape more than anything else. Now I just can't see it insinuated in a film, in a book or in real life conversations. My bf read a book called ''Disgrace'' from J.M. Coetzee and when he explained to me that a woman is raped and she ''keeps the baby'' out of guilt because she's a white southafrican lesbian that owned a farm and the rapist was a black southafrican men I couldn't help to think: What's the point of portraying something this brutal? It seemed like an absurd cliché methaphor to use in order to portray revenge from colonized Africans against European descendents, it actually sounded fetishistic to me because from what I could gather, the woman is almost unaffected about it and feels like she has been rightfully punished for pursuing her peaceful life and gay feelings appart from larger communities and cares little about Apartheid. I couldn't help but see that as completely unrealistic and insulting to traumatized
victims. That's his most popular novel and he's got a fucking Literature Nobel.
No. 1313468
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Anyone have a source for the original Annie Cubozoa comics? The spinster links are to a private VK group.
No. 1313480
>>1313462>>1313469Exactly. And the worst part is that these scenes always center around the brutality of it and how the woman feels like shit after being hit, verbally insulted and abused like the ''vulnerable defenceless'' crature she should be. They're very explicit and visual, sometimes using the male gaze that uses the very same angles it uses when presenting other female body in a non-violent context. Or even worst, at some point she surrenders to it in a unexplicable turn of events she is now willing to do what the scrote wants.
>>1313469 Fuck, I remember that. Have a cousin loves that shit. I wonder what he thinks about troons. Glad we haven't talked in a couple of years.
No. 1313487
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Would all his problems be solved if he stopped watching porn?
No. 1313500
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>>1313346To all the handmaidens here who claim that men are more transphobic than women and they will support us against troons, you are really really underestimating how much men HATE us. I was just on /lgbt/ trying to talk to these mentally ill idiots and a fucking man comes over to defend the troons and tell me how bad men have it and how he prefers trannies 10 times over women. Men HATE us and no one here should forget it, we are alone in this fight. Just look at that shit.
No. 1313511
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Not sure if it’s been posted yet but a post blew up in the relationship advice Reddit sub about a person (not sure if man or woman?) getting engaged to their MfF girlfriend and the gf had to “come clean” about a secret before getting married.
The big secret? At 14 years old the trans gf raped an infant. The fiancé said it involved his penis so it was penetrative rape. Of a baby. The caused damage and trauma. The gf says they feel awful about it and that’s why he had to come clean. The fiancé asks advice because they don’t know what to do, because they love their trans gf so much but is conflicted ABOUT THE BABY RAPE.
OP deleted their post so here’s a cap of the copy from r/AmITheDevil
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>>1313511OP deleted their profile after it blew up but users found out in the past OP didn’t want kids but the fiancé did and insisted on it. Only after the gf/fiancé came clean did he agree not to have any, but before that he really wanted them. After he raped a fucking baby.
No. 1313521
>>1313500>I was just on /lgbt/ trying to talk to these mentally ill idiots lmfao, nona pls… why even try? Most moids who got into that place have a burning hatred for women and/or are about to troon out.
This is like going to sunni mosque and try convincing people there to become atheist. Fruitless endeavor.
>>1313511I want to believe this is a troll so I can sleep at night.
No. 1313528
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1/2 Trannie makes a post.
No. 1313529
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2/2 Empathic girl doesn't know how to read and tries to comfort him by telling him how a good guy he is because he's thinking about women's feelings, which is false because he has only whined abou how HE should be seen and what HE won't be able to do because other won't let HIM, not about women's feelings really.
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>>1313511A photo of the rapist from his shop.
https://www.queerjoyoutfitters.com/aboutPeople on Reddit found both their social media and are filing FBI reports since apparently the usernames photos and everything match up.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AmITheDevil/comments/pg03v0/cw_op_thinks_being_with_a_pedo_who_raped_a_baby/ No. 1313543
>>1313528Well he's honest about what he actually is, he can fix himself by just not watching porn and analyzing his own misogyny and fetishes
There's still some hope for him
No. 1313560
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>>1313541jidging from the glasses this is probably the same person
No. 1313572
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>>1313561>>1313560Nice Dahmer glasses, faggot.
>>1313568I was about to post this. Yeah, she's a TIF and looks retarded, just like her lovely pedo husband.
Btw, allegedly, this motherfucker is related to the mayor.
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>>1313569>>1313571He locked his twitter account too. Found some pics on google images when I looked up with his handle. Same glasses, same tattoo on the shoulder.
No. 1313582
>>1313572>>1313568To be honest, upon further thought, the TIF should be put in jail. TIM definitely deserves the death penalty, but TIF heard her tranny boyfriend say he raped a baby and was
just "uncomfortable"? And then she posted on reddit instead of calling the fucking police. Everyone validating this male pedophile's AGP should be ashamed of themselves. They're participating in a pedophile's fantasy, and muddling the truth that
males are the ones that do shit like this 99% of the time. He raped a baby, he penetrated a baby with his penis, there is
nothing to respect.
No. 1313585
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>>1313582She's a doormat (picrel, one of her posts in the sex poz sub before she nuked her account) and drank the gender cult's kool aid, they will just lay low and come back online with different handles as if nothing ever happened.
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No. 1313603
>>1313597They always do this when trannies commit crimes, it’s all about changing the topic of the conversation while the tranny puts everything under the carpet.
Then the headlines say
>wrongman raped an infant when he was 14 years old and he will go to the women’s jail for 2 years because everyone misgendered him and he didn’t deserve such disrespect for raping an infant when he was a teen. No. 1313604
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>>1313577The mom of the OP woman who is marrying the rapist has been told about her daughters rapist fiancé’s past and says they are reaching out to police about him
No. 1313605
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>>1313597Pronoun preferences, of course.
Welcome to Hellworld, enjoy your stay.
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Lmao
No. 1313634
>>1313585This post is nauseating on so many different levels I don't even know where to begin.
>>1313586>I am a nobinary womanThese people don't even know what they're saying. How can someone type this out, using their own fingers, and not realise? They deny the "gender binary" and in the same breath claim to be one particular gender, and DEFINTELY not the opposite gender. Revealing their tacit belief that there are… two genders. Idiots.
No. 1313654
>>1313644Because men are in the business of min-maxing their relationships and "build-a-bitch," not thinking about the happiness and comfort of the other party.
So obviously in his imagination he imagines a cis lesbian—no specified personality or other traits—who prob looks like a porn star and will totes validate him with sex.
No. 1313655
>>1313631He's completely right, which means he probably got gaslit by all the retard groomers in the comments. Lesbians
don't date MTFs– TIMs wouldn't be chimping this hard about it if they were actually getting what they wanted. If you see a woman with an MTF, she's bisexual or straight regardless of what she calls herself, and more likely than not was dating the guy before he trooned and is now trapped in a codependent relationship.
I honestly would have a lot fewer problems with trannies if they stuck to dating/sexually harassing each other and left women the fuck alone. It wouldn't solve the inherent problem of men in women's space or transgenderism reinforcing gender stereotypes, but it would be a start.
No. 1313656
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No. 1313659
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>>1313621
looks like the "terf" got banned and other women daring to call out this POS as male are being downvoted
picrel is Rowan Alexander Seaman, transwoman baby rapist
No. 1313660
>>1313631We’ll, he’s not wrong
>>1313656Bless u sweet kikomi
No. 1313666
>>1313665Kek whenever I bring up any criticism of transgenderism, I'm always attacked by other women the most about it. And they are really rabid about it, too.
If a man said sexist bullshit about women, other men would participate in it or not care. There's a male solidarity which is that shared feeling of superiority to women. Women on the other hand lack class consciousness and will throw each other under the bus to gain male approval. Look at how fast Meghan Murphy switched to defending moids who bought prostitutes when she became friends with Benjamin Boyce.
No. 1313669
>>1313656I'm so glad kikomi had an identity affirming experience. SO
VALID!
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Update from this
>>1313604 situation, Noah's mom saved the day (not my screencap, found on reddit).
>>1313653I don't think that potato can even feel regret, she sounded spineless. Both of them changed their twitter handles and if it wasn't for the TIF's mother dragging her out of the house, she would just continue saying
yes, mam to his every whim.
No. 1313671
>>1313665I’ve talked about troons committing heinous crimes to other women before but they say I’m “spreading
TERF rhetoric” and tell me it’s “not a gender issue” because “women can be bad people too”. Ok but women don’t rape with their penises, cum all over things, and forcibly impregnate other women. A few of them even called me “sexist” for saying men are more violent on average.
I wonder if some of them are completely lacking in empathy towards other women or think the sexes are already close to equal (pretty common among Western women). Though I don’t understand why the USA is so pro-troon while there is much more resistance in the UK.
No. 1313674
>>1313656Ily Kikomi, you're the only transgirl I would ever date. <3
>>1313671I'm not a bong but, as far as I know, UK has (economic) class consciousness and I think they notice the obvious pandering from the upper-classes. USA stay oblivious and pretend there isn't a huge lobbying machine behind the TRA cult.
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>>1313656We are blessed on this day.
No. 1313683
>>1313679Oh yeah agreed. I hate that my first consideration was "is he in a position to just murder a woman," but it's true he's just much stronger than they are and some of the old heads say he's not the safest worker.
Also, it's frustrating how much they won't do intergender matches at AEW even though it would get the women more airtime but also let this man perform with all the women like it's something different.
>>1313682Fyi, Noah is the fakeboi boyfriend, the rapist is Rowan Alexander Seaman/Rowan Alexandre.
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rowan doesn't seem too bothered by everything happening considering the facebook profile picture was just updated 3 hours ago
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Just leaving this here in case anyone wanna check if he's gonna unlock and cry twansphobia after a week or so.
No. 1313717
>>1313670Based mom calling the troon a
son of a bitch was my favorite part.
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>>1313716Sorry, I forgot to change the settings, that's in portuguese. 22 mil = 22 thousand.
But yeah, dude probably lived on twitter. He had an account for only 4 years while hers is 10 years old.
No. 1313721
>>1313665Simply put, we're too nice. We've been socialized to be conciliatory and empathetic, so it's very easy to manipulate women into defending assholes, so long as you convince them the assholes are ~suffering~. It doesn't matter that males being homophobic is the cause of most "anti-trans" hate crimes and legislation– women are easier to rally to their cause, so they focus on us. If they can't guilt trip some women into supporting troonacy, they use social ostracisation, another tactic made more effective against us by female socialization.
Women become handmaidens because 1) they've been successfully guilt-tripped 2) they fear ostracisation and 3) they want people to view them as ~noble allies standing up for the oppressed~. This is also why you almost never see TIMs or men caping for TIFs– they can't be guilt tripped as easily and they don't give a rat's ass about their reputations.
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reina sweet from riot games has to be a man.. right? i can't find any info on him.
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>>1313725>>1313747Kek, Reina is also the name of a character who's in a popular yuri ship. Might be a reach but we all know how much troons love yuri anime.
No. 1313755
>>1313721>>1313727>>1313732Reason 7: It ain't all socialization, it's all about avoiding conflict. We all know we can't go toe-to-toe with male brute force, so some women choose to align with moids and their destructive ways… even though it's gonna bite them in the ass in the end. It's a twisted sense of self-preservation and lack of foresight, really. After a while, it becomes normal for them (e.g. mothers mutilating their daughters genitals, defending their
abusive fathers, husbands, sons, etc).
No. 1313758
>>1313755Andrea Dworkin actually talks about that very thing in her book Right Wing Women.
>>1313757The UK does seem to have noisier gender critical and radical feminists, but I also agree with you. It's absolutely fucked beyond the US and even Canada. But then again, maybe the reason they're noisier is because its so fucked.
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>>1313755Plenty of women who are socialized still rightfully call out Trannies, most of these women are from the working and middle class as well as from minority communities
>>1313758she, her lover and her closest colleague supported Troons
No. 1313769
>>1313758I’m thinking about this quote:
“ They know that they are valued for their sex— their sex organs and their reproductive capacity—and so they try to up their value: through cooperation, manipulation, conformity; through displays of affection or attempts at friendship; through submission and obedience; and especially through the use of euphemism—“femininity, ” “total woman, ” “good, ” “maternal instinct, ” “motherly love. ” Their desperation is quiet; they hide their bruises of body and heart; they dress carefully and have good manners; they suffer, they love God, they follow the rules. They see that intelligence displayed in a woman is a flaw, that intelligence realized in a woman is a crime. They see the world they live in and they are not wrong. They use sex and babies to stay valuable because they need a home, food, clothing. They use the traditional intelligence of the female—animal, not human: they do what they have to to survive.”
Obviously “sex and babies” should in this case be replaced by “placating the feelings of male trannies and making them feel
valid” because that’s what they value most in women, but it’s also interesting that the trannies are trying to take away exactly the only thing women can use to bargain with against misogynists (the ability to bear children), ie they are trying to make it so that men can bear children instead. They won’t succeed but it says a lot about what their ultimate aims are.
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>>1313655This comment though. Terfs I know are all lesbians and hate TIMs with a passion lol.
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>>1313774
Okay, found their engagement photos. Looks like a TIF and TIM couple to me.
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>>1313427>>1313679Poor Cody and Brandi, this is their audience now
No. 1313798
>>1313795Nta.
So long billionaires continue funding "trans healthcare", the Republican Party and Silicon Valley (which values trannies since they are cheaper than women and help maintaining appearances about "women in tech"), no.
JKR is a blessing for the bongs, she has Fuck You money but she's a lone wolf.
No. 1313803
>>1313767Dworkin is clearly talking about HSTS prostitutes here and Dworkin was an ex-prostitute so she could relate to their experiences. Like Raymond, she also believed that a world free of gender would mean transsexuality would cease to exist.
In Woman Hating (1974) she said:
>Community built on androgynous identity will mean the end of transsexuality as we know it. Either the transsexual will be able to expand his/her sexuality into a fluid androgyny, or, as roles disappear, the phenomenon of transsexuality will disappear and that energy will be transformed into new modes of sexual identity and behavior.The trans rights movement was nowhere near as insane as it is today and pretty much all trannies at the time were gay men who got murdered all the time. 'Autogynephilia' was only named in the 1980s and 'homosexual transsexual' only named a year before 'Woman Hating' was published in 1973.
The fact that Janice Raymond called this out all the way back in 1979, including the straight TiMs for their autogynephilia (before it even got its name) is why she is based. I am definitely going to get her new book coming out this November.
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>>1313779I don't understand, I'm white and I'm having a hard time differenciating these people apart and others on these threads too. It's like they have the same face and pasty chubby bodies. Pic related. Is this a genotype?
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>>1313803When I was younger I was brainwashed by patriarchal propaganda into hating radical feminists for dumb reasons like "they are all ugly man-hating lesbians" but now I see a lot what they said was right. Some of it is just prophetic like picrel.
No. 1313815
>>1313772>>1313772>>1313813No she wasn't, the entire problem with these "academics" is that their fundemtally morons and pseudo-intellectuals who over analyze films or random mundane acts to the point of redundancy, pointless debating and regurgitating their own theories like Hedgehogs
that's what ruined feminism, Germaine Greer was the only that made sense cause she stayed with her working class
(sage) No. 1313819
>>1313806The american mix (english, celtic, german) or western euro mix (idk, there are plenty lol) + autism.
It's creepy how they always end up with the same face. I know estrogen makes them bloat, but it's like AGP warps their appearance. Pudgy face, lifeless eyes.
No. 1313820
>>1313665see witch burnings, nazi germany, lobotomies. most people are selfish cowardly idiots who will cheer on whatever horrible thing is popular at the moment for their own benefit (asspats/getting praise from the crowd for also liking popular thing). libfems aren't feminists, it's just a label they use to feel good about themselves. they don't ever imagine they're the ones who'll be assaulted by a mtf, so they don't care when it happens to other women.
this behavior isn't unique to women or the west. in the past thread someone talked about how producing and selling child porn of six year olds is legal in japan, you wonder why normal japanese people don't just riot and set fire to places that produce and sell that shit, but as long as it's not their kid they likely don't think it's their problem or that it could ever affect them.
No. 1313823
>>1313673I think it's partially because the UK is so small in comparison and living in closer quarters always brings out annoyances, especially when you could be living on the breadline just over the street from the uber rich. The class system is a big issue and tranny stuff is always for the middle class or wealthy, so they don't garner any sympathy. It's a perspective thing - very much "my kid's school can't afford pens and my elderly grandmother can't afford care so a guy not being allowed in the bathroom isn't a priority."
Plus the NHS having to pay for trans treatments means A) pharmaceuticals won't lobby as much and B) the people who are against trans people have to be vocal about it to protect NHS funds. I've noticed more resistance since the pandemic too, when people realised the NHS might have to shell out for gender clinics while nurses on the frontline remain underpaid, hospital staff were dying from lack of PPE, cancer treatment waiting lists were growing and an aging population would need more long term support.
No. 1313829
>>1313673if you aren't offended by listening to men talk about women's issues king critical made videos addressing this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SOCnm9MnTghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFwxIrdDqtstoo long since I saw it for me to summarize it, something about Thatcher tarnishing the image of identity politics, idk
No. 1313839
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OP's history has multiple "my mom is saying I'm not trans, what a bitch" posts, because he had zero feminine traits all of his life and wants to live out some femboy fantasy.
>women are not real feminists, they question what makes you a "woman" if you aren't one biologically or even traditionally/socially
No. 1313843
>>1313823I think people forget that handmaidening and being an ally can go beyond "a thing you can do to earn quick woke points", for a lot of people. The blending of what is a "privilege" and what is a "right", and the distance provided by allowing people to "signal boost" and "perform allyship" create a comforting disassociation from real suffering and oppression. That's why upper-middle class and wealthy TRA types are fervent and unrepentant in their support, but lower middle class or lower class ally-types have a level of guilt when confronted with the reality of what they're supporting, but don't ultimately back down. None of them want to be reminded of actual oppression or class struggles. In the case of the wealthy, it's because they perpetuate it, and in the case of the less fortunate, it's because they struggle to carry the burden of daily life
and the struggle of genuine awareness, so they drop the one they can afford to.
>>1313836I'm sure if you looked it up, you'd find something. Considering the whole thing with Mermaids/Tavistock, and the "if you use the wrong pronouns online the police will come to your house" situation. Canada also had that story of that man getting put in jail for not "affirming his child's gender identity". Primarily English speaking countries are fucked, as a whole.
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>>1313839Just scrolled down other posts from him and he has been on HRT only for 2 months. And he's a grown up man. Imagine the delusion. And he calls himself a girl, not a wo(man), nope, a girl. AGP like a castle. I wish I could laugh at his moobs right now.
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>>1313813It's both hilarious and depressing reading radfem lit about transgenderism that was published decades ago. It's hilarious because radfems could see the troons for what they truly were but depressing because things have only gotten worse over these past decades.
Sheila Jeffreys wrote this short essay (only about 20 pages) about transbians in the 1990s. It's a bit dated (because she had no idea how bad things were going to get) but very interesting.
http://sheila-jeffreys.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Transgender-Activism.pdf No. 1313886
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The comments are even worse.
No. 1313887
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>>1313886 They think being hygienic makes them women.
No. 1313890
>>1313665I tried telling my friend but her "friends with a tranny" boyfriend swooped in and started feeding her bullshit like "men are
victims too" and linking her contra vids on why twanswomen are
victims. she bought it because she's illegal and illegal Mexicans are stereotyped as crazy rapists so when I started linking her to transwomen who are actual rapists she said I was stereotyping them too. she used to be a based feminist but now she's a pickme because she's afraid of dying alone. that was the most disappointing thing to happen this year
so basically projection, insecurity, socialized to be overly emlatheticy?
No. 1313909
>>1313887This honestly reads like a shitposter trying to make other troons feel bad, nothing is going to change a grown man's hulking linebacker shoulders or feet. The cuddling meme is so fucking bizarre too, "uwu cwuddles fweel better because of my dainty girly skin and my piss doesn't stink either!"
>>1313891Yes absolutely, another reason why self prescribing horse piss is an issue but I'm sure it's the terves fault when trannies start dying of strokes.
No. 1313922
>>1313887he either lost a lot of weight since taking HRT or he's lying, since hormones don't shrink your bones.
I'm on live long estrogen and my pee and sweat still stinks and I get anrgy, how unfair
No. 1313933
>>1313888Hygiene is a real multi-front issue.
For some reason, men and women in this era (2000~ Current)are EXTREMELY unhygienic. So a troon skinwalking an unhygienic woman will increase their filthy tendencies exponentially. Nobody glamorizes ironing your clothes or making your bed. Nobody glamorizes being clean anymore.
>Charlize Theron used to be my crush>Found out she doesn't even bathe or shower>Start researching alot of my favorite celebs.>They're all filthy and smelly to the point people don't like to be around them, but they're forced to be around them because they're Rich and Famous.But society does glamorize being "too busy" to take a shower. So here's a antiperspirant that lasts FOREVER or here's some quick wipes for when you need to feel fresh on the go!
>>1313887This freak doesn't even know how his own body works. Where the fuck did we go wrong as a society? I feel like it was yesterday that we were close to understanding each other, closer than we've been in 200 years and then boom. People turn against science, except for when it's approving what they want. People becoming exceptionally stupid over night. People I used to respect just buying into the tranny bullshit.
No. 1313967
>>1313887'i got hips!'
no you don't. hormones don't miraculously turn you into the opposite gender, retard. they really have no idea how the human body works, do they?
No. 1313980
>>1313839Okay but if womanhood isn't defined by biological sex, behaviour, appearance, mannerisms or even a vague love of feminine things, what is it defined by? These people are trying to convince us biology means nothing but then can't actually decide what DOES mean something. What's the point having categories for people at all when there are no criteria for them? And if gender means nothing, why is the trans movement a thing? Why can't we go back to defining using men and women as labels for physical sex?
>>1313887Unless this dude scared his own skeleton out of his body and found a new one, I don't see how he lost shoulders and gained hips.
>>1313888Explains why it looks the way it does.
No. 1313981
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Im tired
No. 1314004
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What does this have to do with women? Men have been wearing speedos since forever.
No. 1314022
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Wi Spa flasher is a registered sex offender. The police had a fucking flyer up about him in 2018 using his trans status to enter women's changing rooms to flash his dick and balls.
https://nypost.com/2021/09/02/charges-filed-against-sex-offender-in-wi-spa-casecharges-filed-against-sex-offender-in-notorious-wi-spa-incident/ No. 1314029
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>>1314022Looks about right
No. 1314031
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>>1314022And everyone claiming it was a
terf psyop going to retract… right?
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>>1314022Wait, same guy? Weird the post didn’t mention this also.
No. 1314047
>>1314022how long until people claim this is a set up and
she is being targeted?
No. 1314049
>>1314029I thought it was all a lie? Now they are going to claim he's not really trans when I thought-
>>Everyone who says they are trans IS transand
>>Who would pretend to be trans? The most hate people on this planet?I guess they'll just not talk about it or start making excuses.
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>>1314031I guess we are at step two now
No. 1314072
>>1314004Honestly seems like a crypto
terf psyop because of how fucking hideous they are
No. 1314164
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>i'm a 20 year old trans girl who wants to be a prof esports player
>i live at home with my evil bitch mom who supports me financially and wants me to get a job
>she doesn't bring me tendies when i ask and unplugged my computer in the middle of a match
>told me to get a job but it's too hard and gets in the way of my esports dream
>i screamed at her that i hate her but reddit am i the asshole here?
>despite her calling me by my preferred pronouns and allowing her trans child to stay under her roof, she hates me because i'm trans somehow
>everyone disagreeing with me in the comments are transphobes
No. 1314189
>>1314164>mercy_main_98Looks like he's actually 23 which would mean he's been sitting on his ass doing nothing since before the lockdown came into play.
I also don't see any mention of a dad which is par for the course I suppose.
No. 1314193
>>1314022He hits every single talking point in the article. Probably they’re going to (like every time) jump behind the shield of “lesbians are attracted to women in changing rooms” or whatever the fuck even though we’re not like these creeps.
Honestly it’s been very blackpilling to me how many of the “lesbian predator” stories I’ve heard in passing over the last ten years have actually just been men and that’s just going to keep on increasing.
No. 1314198
>>1313755NTA (and not really a
TERF, have at me all you want) but avoiding conflict is part of female socialization, anon — women ARE socialized to accommodate others to avoid confrontation and conflict (although this could turn into a nature vs nurture argument, I would still confidently say that socialization reinforces the aversion to conflict).
This aversion to conflict comes at a heavy price: submitting to peer pressure, and heavily relying on other’s approval. It never occurs to your average woman that she can rely on her own approval, that she can be disliked and happy. So here’s what goes through her mind: by this standard, am I kind enough? Empathetic enough (retarded meme)? Will people view me as an evil unlikable bitch if I say what I really think? Is that person being pushy? If I tell him to leave me alone, will I contribute to his anger and hatred of women? Have I had a hand in his hatred and anger and isolation? Are men sad because of women? If so, what can women do to help with that? I need a constant source of social approval, so I will continue to submit to peer pressure, not realizing this will fuck me up when I’m not longer young.
(Side rant: if you want to notice something fun, look at libfem’s language regarding the manosphere’s, and then vice versa. The former adopts an accommodating tone, assuming responsibility for retarded and lonely men: we can help, we can make women help, we are responsible for your feelings, here’s some Kind and Empathetic bullshit to make you see that I feel for you. I really do. Meanwhile, the latter doesn’t give a shit. It doesn’t assume responsibility for anything. Instead, it attempts to sneer and make fun, “See? You were hedonistic in your youth and you didn’t want me? Now you’re lonely and nobody wants you, but everybody wants me!” It’s a bitter revenge fantasy, a karmic reaction, a “tomorrow you’ll see, bitch.”)
See how women are instantly ostracized for defying their sweet, sweet nature? They’re not only ostracised, but isolated. And do you know what happens to isolated women, ones without support networks, ones without networks of solidarity that offer material interdependence?
They are zeroed in on. This is where the fact that we are physically weaker comes to kick in. (I like guns, but scimitars and daggers even more so).
Meanwhile, women who can 100% handle the consequences of their refusal to submit to peer pressure are almost always rich. JK Rowling doesn’t give a shit about being canceled, because she already has the best support network: her money and her other resources (connections etc.) She can’t be kicked out of her job, her house, or whatever. Sure, an event or a contract can be called off, but that’s nothing to her. You gain freedom by having the money for bearing the consequences of exercising said freedom.
(Not to say that ordinary women can’t do this, but it’s never a good idea to do so. Don’t let grand ideas get into your head: if you do something retarded you might be kicked out of your job or seriously targeted by other people. You don’t want to isolate people who you might need later on, even if you think they’re retarded. I don’t care how awful this sounds; your livelihood almost always depends on it. It’s a fine line to walk, but until you’re socially & economically comfortable, you have to walk it.)
>so some women choose to align with moids and their destructive ways… even though it's gonna bite them in the ass in the end. It's a twisted sense of self-preservation and lack of foresight, really. Yes, this is a defence strategy for them. They realise that the power lies in the Male hand, and try to wiggle some out of themselves by proxy by performing for that Male hand. They gain protection and climb up the ladder, wrestling out some resources for themselves — after all, if men monopolise resources to limit women’s social (and reproductive) mobility, it’ll only make sense that some women will play by the Male rules to gain some ounce of freedom. They’ll inevitably throw some women under the bus. This never ends well like you said, for obvious reasons.
The important thing to remember is to be immune against peer pressure. Always, always try to be as an independent-minded as you can be. Develop mental resistance to cultural messaging, your surroundings, and your environment. Be less absorbent. Don’t fall for memes. Always be suspicious of people trying to sell you ideas, lifestyles, and ideologies, for they have not paid the price of them in personal suffering — something that you very much will do if you don’t develop mental independence.
>After a while, it becomes normal for them (e.g. mothers mutilating their daughters genitals, defending their abusive fathers, husbands, sons, etc).This is right. Mothers encourage FGM more than fathers do. These things are considered to be “woman’s matters”, conducted between and encouraged by women. And since women can easily fall prey to peer pressure:
>For many mothers and healthcare providers, adherence to community customs and traditions was the most important motive to practice FGM/C. Also, the social construction of girls’ well-being and bodily beauty makes FGM/C a perceived necessity which lays the ground for stigmatization against uncut girls. Finally, the language around FGM/C is being reframed by many healthcare providers as a cosmetic surgery. There are many other studies on how women encourage FGM and facilitate it, but I can’t find them right now. They make for an interesting read, though. Check them out some time.
No. 1314220
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>>1314204all of them are ugly as fuck but this one takes the cake.
No. 1314223
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>>1313366Yes. Link is unironically cute as fuck, but i hate seeing these trannies shoe-horning those “headcanons” info him! Leave the boy alone!!
No. 1314245
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delusional
No. 1314254
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>>1314245Seeing just what terrible taste men have destroyed my need for male validation. Some women live their entire lives to please men who have absolutely no ability to differentiate quality from actual dogshit.
No. 1314264
>>1314022Remember when media outlets were calling it a hoax? Kek, they always say “believe the
victims” until the perpetrators are trannies.
No. 1314276
>>1314267That troon is monitoring the page constantly, even if he updated it to be correct, he would add in some bullshit and use certain words to make it sound like it was the
TERF’s fault.
No. 1314311
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You probably wonder how I, a male, deal with not being the center of attention for a day
No. 1314335
>>1314198Ayrt.
I'm not a radfem either, but my point was that women's general stance on male violence hinges on both - nature and nurture (survival instincts and socialization, respectively), instead of just nurture. We're still part of the animal kingdom and its rules still apply to us, so this pesky survival "rule" could explain some of women's compliance to male degeneracy and the horrors that females may inflict on their own kin; socialization could be considered a catalyst for this behavior.
Anyways, that was an interesting read, thx. I agree with your points but won't add anything more because it would be a blogpost. lol
>>1314311This tweet feels like it came from a sissy hypno script.
No. 1314344
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>>1314313I feel sorry for all the women who truly tried to raise decent sons, and got stuck with troons. They probably thought the weak, wussy behavior, and obsession with little girl cartoons was a GOOD thing.
No. 1314351
>>1314341It must drive them crazy any time there's a major societal event that revolves around women's rights, beyond girlboss "everyone is equal all the time" stuff. They already go into hysterics if you imply "maybe men are bad to women sometimes, in some ways", even if you use their approved wording, so it likely makes them seethe when a distinctly female issue really comes up. They can't "relate", and the average person would get (rightfully) annoyed with them if they tried "correcting" them with their "some women have penises uwu" shit in such a serious context. They're furious that identifying and having a tight grip on society
still doesn't make them women. I don't feel bad for them at all.
No. 1314355
>>1314344There's been so much content here of moms treating their sons really well, trying to take care of them while also regularly pushing them to make progress, move out, get a job, whatever. They usually have other kids who turned out okay, too. But you find out about them through the troons ranting and raving about how awful they are, how they're transphobic bitches, how they
hate them and think the've never done anything ro support them. Seeing all this, I sometimes wonder if there should be laws to remove adult failsons from peoples homes and aid them (forcefully) into the workforce.
No. 1314362
>>1314268They don't really have anything to gain not respecting their pronouns, then there would be a thousand twitter idiots at their throat because of it ignoring anything else that was said.
>>1314245>>1314311I know that is not the case, but why does everything they say sound like a troll/
terf trying to make trannies look bad?
No. 1314392
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>>1314355In all seriousness, there really should be a failson shelter to evict them to. The parents can't even crack down on an adult. Moids could leave the house every weekday for "job interviews", and really just be parked behind Burger King, wanking to a phone screen. You would have to treat them like addicts, give them a bare room with a bed, an overhead light, and nothing else. Not even an electric outlet or landline phone.
>>1314370It really is insane how much you will see this IRL, and nobody talks about it. Even liberal mothers will turn a daughter into the family scapegoat, or parentify her and expect her to make sacrifices for the younger male siblings(s). People brag about how sweet their little bitty boys are, as if that means anything. Male puberty is like one game at a slot machine, a slot machine with no small prizes, only the one jackpot. It's all fail if you don't pull jackpot, jackpot, jackpot. And I'm not even convinced the jackpot is any good.
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If trannies want shelters, they should establish their own. Use all those GFM handouts to build a shelter and leave vulnerable women the fuck alone. Women have shelters because we look out for each other. It shouldn't be our job pick up the pieces after males fail to do it for themselves.
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Mishima was literally a gay fascist who hated western men. Tranny fetishism of Japanese culture borders on racist.
No. 1314467
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tranny with and without photoshop
No. 1314468
>>1314438They don't relate to children, children don't share the same concerns or interests with them because children aren't sexual and don't have the same concepts of power or property as adults. They're pedophiles because teenagers, preteens, and children defer to and rely on adults, and troons get off on the unearned power trip that gives them. Adults ask questions and make demands that younger people don't even think of, or don't feel they have the "right". The younger the child, the more power. They're weak, sociopathic retards who are desperate to feel in control, particularly over a female.
>>1314467Photo editing software is a blight on humanity, it should be nuked out of existence.
No. 1314470
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>>1314467The way this guy was a literal who before coming out, now there’s pap pics of him every week and he’s on the cover of multiple magazines.
Is Lucas Hedges next? (this one would sting ngl)
No. 1314486
>>1314479All the stories I here about kids who start shit or throw tantrums in school from teachers are about boys. The vast majority of screaming, crying children I've seen in stores or heard stories of were boys. I've heard endless stories of boys being bullies, but girl bullies seem rarer, and less extreme– The boy bullies are always in groups, the girl bullies are always "that one girl". Every boy I have ever known was known to cause immense trouble for their families, breaking things, setting fires, leaving messes, getting in fights, disrespecting others. Most of the girls I've known have more or less followed rules set by their parents, at least in regards to housecare and respect. The concept of "boys being more well behaved" is a crock of shit, and it's not even a tradeoff for anything. All of the most talented or kind people I've met have been women. The only thing you can potentially gain from having a son is another source of care and income, in the incredibly rare chance he doesn't turn out selfish.
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Stop digging lmao
No. 1314500
>>1314486>"boys being more well behaved" Males commit 95% of violent crime and even young boys terrorize older girls. This socialization into male supremacy begins when they are young. Even when we have overwhelming evidence of how terrible men and boys are, people still want to act like women and girls are worse somehow or the two sexes are "equally bad".
>The only thing you can potentially gain from having a son is another source of care and incomeWomen are more likely to care for their parents and redistribute their own income to their families while men prefer to abandon their parents and keep money for themselves. Men definitely earn more than women do on average so I guess if you're from a super sexist country then having a boy would guarantee you more financial security in old age.
No. 1314506
>>1314502and yet there still good men in this world
>>1314504>>1314505I'm not blaming the mothers, rather general culture which babies male children, male children and discipline and structure in their lives to function, kinda like dogs
No. 1314512
>>1314506So, when you said
>These women didn't teach their sons to respect women though, they give them whatever they wanted and probably never said NoYou
didn't mean it? Okay.
No. 1314515
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Ah r/ChapoTrapHouse, remember when they used to raid r/GenderCritical almost every other month
No. 1314528
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>>1314294Same with The Guardian (US version). It keeps mentioning rightwingers, how hard trannies have it, and also talks about how the preciouschild troon was victimized by transphobes even though he purposely baited people into thinking he was the troon at the spa. There is no sympathy whatsoever for women.
No. 1314533
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>>1314267It was edited to include a tranny sex offender was charged but it wasn't edited by gwennie-nyan. I don't know how Wikipedia community works but I thought the picrel edit was strange. Do they really not include the names of non-notable criminals or is this just about protecting trannies again?
No. 1314537
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I am so tired of Westerners trying to spread this harmful ideology into non-Western countries like pic related. It is only going to hurt non-Western women even more.
For a while, the language barrier mostly kept this bullshit in English-speaking countries but the trans rights activists are doing their damn hardest to get tranny materials published in internationally.
One of the worst hit countries by the TRA bullshit is India because many Indians speak English. Young Indians are regularly exposed to this nonsense.
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She (Evan is a TiF) is the one who published the "Wi Spa is a hoax" article and has locked her account.
No. 1314541
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>>1314538>Evan UrquhartSame woman who wrote this.
No. 1314545
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>>1314506>and yet there still good men in this worldyou are truly delusional topkek
No. 1314552
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>>1314488Every girl I knew had the moody loner phase, even the cute wealthy ones. Which is what makes the adult male fixation on teen girls even more repugnant. You have just barely started to live life again, and adult men are trying to snatch you up and ruin your life AGAIN. And then they're all jealous and spiteful about how "easy" your life has been, and they do nasty things to you to get revenge. Even your boyfriend will secretly be trying to hurt you. Men just need to fucking stop, troons and untroons alike.
I wish there were more visual medium fiction works about what real life is like for girls, but I know that still wouldn't get through to them. All they got out of everything made by humanity so far is just "hot girls boobs lol sluts".
No. 1314560
>>1314477Same here. People (including his own mother) straight up extended their condolences to my husband when we told them our second would be another girl. Meanwhile he has admitted to me that he’s actually a bit relieved. He’s a statistician on a project about juvenile delinquency. Make of that what you will.
>>1314488>>1314493Girls internalise, boys externalise. Girls who commit violence on the same level as boys are practically always
victims of prolonged csa, whereas plenty of violent boys are from regular healthy families but will cite things like “mom turns off my game console when it’s time for dinner” as parental abuse.
>>1314538Imagine being a journalist and having to report facts,
ugh, so annoying.
>>1314554All handmaidens I know are upper middle class well educated white women, mostly straight or “queer” (spicy straight). None of them seem to realise that they’re only a few years or missteps removed from being labelled the “white feminist” Karens they hate so much.
No. 1314562
>>1314541>In our culture, the impulse to distance oneself from negatives associated with women and femininity is endemic. When we insult men, we do it by comparing them to women. When we compare women to men, we’re generally praising them. In fact, I’ve probably known more straight, cis-gendered women who’ve bragged about how they’re “one of the guys” than I’ve known lesbians. Ironically, one of the things I share with many women is my eagerness to point out all the ways in which I’m not like other women.
>As girls grow up, they are bombarded by rules and restrictions governing the ways that they can be. I know I was—otherwise I wouldn’t have been a fully grown adult before I started wearing clothes that I found comfortable. These gendered rules confine girls’ choices and constrain their self-expression. Perhaps one day the gender binary will be dismantled totally, and we’ll all stop limiting our children by bringing them up as either males or females. But, in the meantime, gender continues to be one of the first things children learn to recognize about themselves and others, and for that reason I think it’s important to keep the boundaries of what can and can’t potentially be male or female propped open as wide as possible. It’s wonderful that people who feel uncomfortable with the gender they were assigned at birth are gaining strength and visibility. But, it’s just as important that young people, girls and boys and genderqueers alike, can have as many examples as possible of men and women who don’t conform to gender stereotypes. I like to think I’m doing my part for that by living as an aggressive, competitive, logical, and strong butch woman.She wrote all this and ended up trooning out anyway. That's depressing.
No. 1314580
>>1314545lol who are these women committing arson, that seems like a low percentage! I bet the ones who do it do with their boyfriends. I've never heard of a woman setting fires.
I just assume all horrific crimes are done by men and women who commit them either commit them with their lover or are forced to do it by trauma (like killing their abuser). There are exceptions (child abuse is one), but this assumption is still pretty accurate for most of what goes on in the world.
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>>1314583>>1314537One of the worst aspects of the caste system is that you can achieve a lower caste by performing certain actions and afterwards you can never move upwards in caste again, you have to wait for the next life
for e.g If I was Brahmin who preformed manual labor or worked with leather I'd be reduced a Shudra(the 2nd lowest caste) and could never be a Brahmin again, in the past if you ever left your home city or province you were automatically reduced in Caste to that of a Shudra, and so Hijras regardless of what ever they were previously are reduced to Dalits, outcasts or untouchable's, the lowest of the low
The Dalits are considered so spiritually impure that even being around them pollutes your very soul, if your touched by one then you need to perform a holy ritual purification
No. 1314611
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i'm no kikomi-sama but i can at least try to point out fallacies in their logic
No. 1314634
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I genuinely can't fucking tell which is the before and after.
No. 1314644
>>1314602this just seems like a way to maintain a population of people / slaves to haul literal shit and do what other people don't want to do. I definitely need to read more about this system and how it became implemented. I know "impure" people were a thing in other cultures but eventually the views seem to mellow out over time and even in the Old Testament there's a way back in this life for some of the people cast out as undesirable. Undesirables also were not universally used for shit labor: I'm thinking of lepers, they were shut out entirely from most places, so you couldn't tell them to haul shit. Or maybe you could but it would not be wise. The caste system seems much more damning. Thanks,
nonny, I'm going to read more about this now.
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>>1314634What results is he talking about
No. 1314655
>>1314649This is true. Even if there was somehow a male who did not have biological advantages, he still shouldn’t be in women’s sports because women need their own spaces.
I think some film award is taking out the “best actress” category because they want to promote gender equality but this will never be gender equal when will still live under a patriarchal structure. All it does is take awards away from women. The males do not have some biological advantage in acting but including men with women immediately makes things unfair because people would rather vote for male actors than female ones.
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>>1314644The caste system truly is awful and Hinduism in general is a religion almost as bad as Islam, its obsession with purity, phallic imagery, horrid rituals and hierarchy an
look up B. R. Ambedkar a Dalit who was one of the founding fathers of India, he had a lot to say regarding his experiences(even educated Indians in British Universities refused to even sit next to him) and roasted both Islam and Hinduism
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do you guys see it too lol
No. 1314733
>>1314722This is OT as hell, I understand your frustration with maleness but can you not do this, certain religion and cultures are far worse then others alright, to say "but we all suffer under the patirachy" is dismissive of the absolute horrors Muslim and Hindu women go though
Like I'm sure the west sucks, but I'd rather live in Sweden then Egypt or India or Iran
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How can us cissies even hope to compete with such perfect females, our fragile womanhood simply fades away all cause the Tranny likes Anal
No. 1314765
>>1314731I'm sure they'd prefer to pretend nothing happened, but they may not be able to get away with that this time. I certainly hope so. Last time it took them a while to settle on a tactic, going from "she has every right to be there and actually it's rude to stare at a woman's penis" to claiming nothing happened and it was all a hoax. I wonder what they'll try now.
>A) He's not really trans, the trans community are the real victims here! Anyone who uses this situation to call self-ID into question is a literal nazi.>B) She's a valid transwoman and not a sexual predator at all! Everyone who's accused her of sexual misconduct is just an overreacting transphobe and her criminal record is evidence of systemic transphobia, not of any wrongdoing on her part.>C) Okay she's a predator but also a valid transwoman. The real issue here is that people keep misgendering her! Anyway cis women can be predators too and there's literally no difference. Let's find a cis woman to demonise instead.In my experience with perverted TIMs, handmaidens tend to go for A because they still think most TIMs are effeminate gay men. AGPs don't like it because it's gatekeeping, and also makes too many people aware of self-ID and its problems.
With the recent Chris Chan situation Twitter TRAs went for C, probably because they realised they couldn't justify his crime to normies. With Yaniv they tried B but moved on to C when it became impossible to hold him up as anything more than a creepy racist pedo. This time I think it's a toss-up between B and C. Will they be able to convince normies that his indecent exposure convictions were unfair because he, as a true and honest laydee, has every right to be in female spaces? Or will this offender prove so unpalatable to normies that TRAs will deflect and try to redirect their attention somewhere else? If another celebrity suddenly comes out as trans, we'll know why.
No. 1314777
>>1314746All TIFs are like this. You can't even enjoy female dominated fandoms without risking cancellation by TIF. TIFs are so quick to cancel and shit on other women just to look woke, and to hide their seething mental illness.
>>1314765Thank god these poor women actually stood up for themselves and their rights. Reddit is currently banning and deleting any mention of this in r/news. How many diaper wearing baby fuckers are going to have to be outed before that site is burned to the ground?
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>>1314538So I went to KiwiFarms to check if they happened to have any archives on reddit doing this
>>1314777 and what I find instead is even dumber takes by Evan
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Anybody disgusted by the new lil nas x photoshoot? Ik he's gay man, but I wont be surprised if he transes out later with his hatred of women and womb envy. Men always say we have penis envy but everything they say is projection, they're the ones obsessed with controlling us and our wombs.
It's why we have this epidemic of TiMs and scientists taking the delusional idea of fucking uterus transplants (which will come from impoverished and poor women, like always) seriously. Being a trans woman is just the next level of misogyny. I'm so scared of what will happen next.
No. 1314843
>>1314825>>1314826>>1314829Did T smooth her brain or what?
>>1314827I would have appreciated that this pic was spoilered. Yuck.
No. 1314853
>>1314825Then “trans women” should have no problem going to the bathroom of their “assigned sex”, since crimes from strangers towards women are so rare and blown out of proportion, right? Most violence to TIMs comes from intimate partners and family.
>>1314827He’s a big misogynist, yes. But I don’t get the sense that he would. The biggest predictor for me these days is the degree an effeminate gay man is obsessed with straight men. The higher the obsession, the higher odds of trooning out. That’s why I think James Charles is on the HSTS pipeline.
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>>1314393the creator of doom simps for this furshit autogynephilic creep btw
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>>1314858We really are doomed
No. 1314868
>>1314827Nah, he's trolling. I can't be bothered by an IRL shitposter, tbh.
Also, he won't troon out since he's VERY into being a gay
man. Dude probably saw 1st hand how miserable black HSTS are, he won't ruin his life like that.
No. 1314870
>>1314826>Tiger attacks are extremely rare!Yeah, in areas with very few to no tigers. Also, in the areas with tigers, people are made aware of them and (presumably) taught safety measures, just like how Western campgrounds give you information on how to handle things like bear attacks on signs and pamphlets. As far as I know, these preventative measures are put into place because encountering predatory animals at all presents a lethal amount of danger. Having areas without predatory creatures, and informing when they're present and how to protect yourself…where does that sound familiar? Oh, right– Female-only spaces. It almost seems like protective rules and laws exist for reasons, and having spaces devoid of statistically dangerous creatures is a good thing! Unless you want to integrate tigers into your day to day life, Miss Urquhart? Perhaps into your bathrooms and urgent care facilities? Now, don't be bigoted, just because one tiger mauled you, it doesn't mean
this tiger will!
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>>1314858>>1314862sage for OT but Romero wasn't the sole creator of Doom, it was a team effort, the bulk of programming was done by John Carmack, level structure by the genius American McGee(fun fact his mother vhim and his sister for her TIM lover so she could pay for his sex change operation) all Romero contributed was some artwork and the "story" of Doom 1993
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>>1314515their seething was hilarious when the women moved to ovarit and chapos discovered they couldn't raid them anymore
https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/2067/porn-obsessed-male-leftists-at-chapo-have-testerical-meltdown-that-ovarit-exists>chapocels think spamming 'chud' at catladies on the internet is guerilla warfare No. 1314952
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>>1314951mao would've had these narcissistic privileged coomers executed by firing squads
No. 1314968
>>1314932It's generally accepted here that the answer is autism, which I partially agree with. Some other potential answers include
>Body image issues. Anthropomorphic animal characters are close enough to human to relate to, but not similar enough to truly compare yourself to, as a human being. You won't ever worry about "not looking like them", because…of course you don't, you're not half animal. You can also make them look however you want, because the concept of an anthro animal is already bizarre, and no one in the furry community will openly judge you for your anatomical choices, since the concept is already reliant on fantasy, and many people there are fetishists who also don't want criticism.>Social and sexual deviancy. Many (if not all) furries have personality disorders, and, as much as they push the "it's not a fetish" thing, you will generally not meet any furries who aren't sexually deviant. Being a complete retard and/or pervert isn't questioned or shamed in the community, and is often encouraged; it creates an autism and coom friendly echo chamber, and there's nothing that the kind of brainlets who get into furry shit hate more than being criticized, so they thrive on it.>Malformed attachment to childhood. You'll notice pretty quickly that part of being a furry is attaching yourself to media whose target audience is children. This isn't accidental, many of them cling to both nostalgia for their own childhood and media that coddles them and doesn't challenge them, precusely because they're emotionally stunted and don't want any adult responsibility. This includes the responsibilities of engaging on a mature level with media, and not invading the spaces meant for children.All three of these points are also accurate to troons of both sexes. HSTS are more rarely furries than AGP and AAP because they don't apply to the second or third point as much, though there are some exceptions.
No. 1314984
>>1314979It's a "leftist" podcast
nonny. It's meme'd on a lot because of its obnoxious listeners.
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Another WiSpa hit piece written by a troon. I scrolled "Emily's" twitter and he tweets the usual good faith tranny propaganda but sometimes the mask slips and we see glimpses of sissy fetish and /tttt misogyny. Claims to be HSTS (isn't Blanchard typology transphobic though?) and has a feminization by Islam fetish (we've taled about that like 3 threads back, but if you didnt know, there's a whole troon sissy fetish involving Islam). His bio says "I block insects" meaning TERFs, meaning women. Says he has a bf, but there's no pictures of him on his instagram. He has no friends as the only pics on insta is of himself, and gets absolutely no likes or comments on instagram. Dude has made his whole life about "fighting transphobia" only engages with online TRAs.
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No. 1315000
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why do they lie like this….
No. 1315005
>>1314979Its a long stupid history, once there was a podcast hosted by 3 annoying brocialists(they don't really matter) and they named it ChapoTrapHouse out of pure randomness(the first episode was literally them deciding a name and they choose ChapoTrapHoouse after the topic of El Chapo came up) the podcast had a sizeable fanbase and so r/ChapoTrapHouse was created, originally it was filled with fans of the podcast but it became something far different in a due time
it eventually became a hub for a new type of online leftist, before they had a sizeable presence on twitter The Degenerate Tranny/Furry Communists that we see often posted on the MTF threads frequently started on r/ChapoTrapHouse, it got to the point where 80% of the Subscribers of that sub weren't ever even fans of the podcast
Most of the posts were Twitter screenshots. The general mood was edgy, anti-cop, pro-trans and quite conspiracy-theory friendly, they frequently devolved to bizarre degenerate ramblings, some stuff I witnessed was "sissyfying Barron Trump so that he becomes a commie femboy" "Harvesting the wombs of TERFs" "degenerate and vile fantasies about murdering various business owners that read like torture porn"
They eventually got banned due to frequent raiding of other subreddits, however that didn't stop them completely and so they created ChapoChat later renamed Hexbear, a somehow ever worse version of Reddit and its just a bunch of pathetic trannies who raid other sites and twitter threads, happy to live in their degenerate bubble
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Typical how white loser males seethe that the trans movement is a karmic punishment for women because a feminist annoyed them once, but think their own group doesn't deserve a karmic punishment for millennia of rape and slavery.
Also funny how easily they reveal that they're incels whose entire families despise them, because if they weren't they'd be concerned about their girlfriend or mother/female relatives being hurt by deranged autogynephiles and trans activists.
Just a matter of time until men like this chop off their dick and transition themselves.
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>>1315005>Hexbear, a somehow ever worse version of RedditI checked it out and they literally have pokemon porn on the front page alongside posts idolizing China and Xi Jinping.
Personally I don't think China is that bad compared to the U.S. but it's funny that these coomers are fawning over and praising the politics of a country that bans porn.
>Giant companies like Baidu and Tencent which provide Cloud storage and download services will change porn videos to "8 seconds educational videos" to educate users that the government is conducting a campaign to combat pornographyImagine 'lefty' redditors wanting to have a wank at their favorite furry sissy hypno trans porn and instead getting a message that big brother is watching and orders them to stop being a degenerate kek.
No. 1315063
>>1314988I do think there’s are quite a few AGP who pretend to be HSTS because people view HSTS as “more trans” and less creepy.
The fact that he looks like that and works in tech is already proof enough that he’s an AGP.
No. 1315100
>>1314988>>1314994>>1315063You're forgetting AGPs go into a "straight" phase (chasing men aka
pseudo-bisexuality) to validate their newfound "womanhood"… then they go transbian. ContraPoints went through the same journey, but nobody batted an eye because he's a professional sophist who hides his AGP behind layers of sarcasm.
You can't believe none of these recently trooned males out there who claim to be "straight" (HSTS), specially when they're from an Anglophone country. Higher chances of being another creepy motherfucker than a self-hating homo.
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>tfw when the dumbfuck coomer gamers were accidentally right about her being a grifter
kek
No. 1315155
>>1315121Sorry to hear there's an AGP infestation in your country, nonita.
>I guess because non-white men tend to be more religious/conservative about gender roles while white men are more open about sex/fetishes and liberal with “gender experimentation”?That's exactly it, but it's also about their economic class. Non-white men can't really engage in petty, destructive desires of white middle-upper classes if those desires risk the roof over their heads and/or their own lives.
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this feels very incel-turned transbian i literally can't imagine a real lesbian thinking this is not fetishizing the fuck out of them
No. 1315184
>>1315165>"My dream woman is a 10/10 Victoria's Secret model who makes out and has sex with women and claims to be a lesbian, but makes an exception for ME, the manliest man. We would talk about cool things like cars and guns, and nothing stupid like praxis or her hobbies. We'd live in a modern penthouse that SHE cleans."VS
>"My dream girl is very cute and pretty, and super nice and girly. She's a lesbian and loves me as a lesbian and pegs me and touches my girlcock and I teach her about feminism and women's oppression! We live in a cute cottage together as Sapphic witches uwu (btw what's upkeep? Also I don't have a job)"Choose
one to kill, you can't pick both.
No. 1315186
>>1315184Kill scenario nº 2, Dream Woman is defenseless and isolated.
Dream Woman nº 1 could kill the scrote with her gun(s) or run him over with her car and make it look like an accident.
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No. 1315194
>>1315184First one is less annoying since he doesn't claim to be a woke feminist.
This is like asking an ant if myrmarachne is worse than a normal spider.
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>>1315204I'm on a film taste thread on /tttt/ and their tastes are so stereotypically straight male.
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They always claim women have bad taste in cinema. Must be because women don't care for rape and misogyny.
No. 1315228
>>1315224>muh women with bad tastelol tranny pls
Most films on that list were memed for years on /tv/ and the rest are basic "cult" films that any normalfag (from either sex) watched at least once. Dude formed his tastes on 4chan and doesn't look for anything beyond that.
Pathetic.
No. 1315229
>>1315224This dude's list is just a stereotypical list of films a white man who calls himself a writer or an intellectual would enjoy, but with movies he
thinks women would like and films about the constraint of femininity (which I'm sure he thinks he understands, but definitely doesn't) thrown in. Hard no pass.
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>>1314891some tranny porn star that's usually trotted out as being perfectly passing and based by 4chan dudes. he looks like this now lmao!
No. 1315242
>>1315192Remember when MOGAI trannies created the term 'bi lesbians' and the libkweer LGBTs were saying the term was lesbophobic/biphobic but instead of blaming the trannies, they made up the bs that it was created by TERFs? And then you had both sides claiming their enemies were TERFs.
The MOGAIs were saying "denying the existence of bi lesbians is
TERF rhetoric" while the other side was saying "bi lesbians are not
valid and if you believe in it then you are a
TERF".
No. 1315266
>>1315241The movie was creepy and I can't ever see it as romantic because the relationship was completely unequal - even more so than your normal straight relationship because while the man was human, the woman was
literally an object. The female character in the relationship is only there to please the male and give him character development, and the consent is dubious. I hate both Blade Runner and Blade Runner 2049 for this too. In both Her and Blade Runner 2049, they even bring in a an actual woman who will give up her body to have sex with the male character. Troons love these movies because they treat women as an object, costume, and male fantasy.
No. 1315276
>>1315237The torture the teenage sex slaves endure from the fascists is supposed to be a metaphor for the people's suffering of being under a totalitarian society. Also the shit-eating scene is supposed to be a metaphor for the fast food industry.
I've never watched it and don't plan to. People either love the movie as a complex metaphor or hate it for its disgusting scenes. I know Martin Scorsese, Michael Haneke, and Roger Ebert all loved it. Maybe they are all just degenerates.
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Oh boy.
No. 1315285
>>1315274rdrama.net (a place to make fun of redditors), there's lots of angry incels there who would claim their sexism is only irony, but it's obvious guys like that user are unironically seething and seriousposting.
Not to say it's only inhabited by men, there's likely some female users too, but you don't see (non-trans) men getting shit on even half as much as they shit on women.
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No. 1315290
>>1315266Yeah, thinking a relationship between a man and a robot who is designed to please him is romantic is like thinking your toilet cares about you because it cleans up your poop. It's just built that way, any imagined relationship is one sided.
You could make film named Mirror that's just about a guy who cooms to his own reflection and men would call it deep.
>>1315276I see, thanks. Well, Scorsese is a Polanski defender… so yes he's a degenerate.
No. 1315320
>>1315319Are you serious? Feminists have always criticised marriage.
You can read the Wikipedia page for some common arguments:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_marriage No. 1315322
>>1314335I think the argument to be made is that these are survival instincts that exist in a specific context, so still largely nurture rather than inevitable nature. If women didn't have to rely on men or had the means to best them in confrontation through solidarity (female solidarity is how bonobos maintain power even though the male ones are still stronger on average) then these survival instincts wouldn't apply.
Nature implies a sort of inevitability, which I don't think is the driving force here.
No. 1315326
>>1315324Bonobos are very based and I hope human females can achieve that sort of solidarity some day. Minus some of the incest sex, preferably.
Patriarchal structures isolate women so they can never form any kind of class consciousness and realize their commonalities through the misogyny men subject them to. It's my pet theory that it's why moids of color hate when women of color realize that despite white women's ability to be racist, white women and women of color ultimately have more in common with each other than either of them do to their respective male counterparts. Hence how intersectionality has been weaponized to destroy any form of female solidarity and pretend that white women and women of color have nothing in common and is now all a "but what about the oppressed MEN" fest.
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He guy makes sissy captions with pictures of himself. Not going to post them because they are disgusting.
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No. 1315333
>>1315327>Less wrinklesYou look like a botox nightmare, and you're claiming to be superior to a woman because she has wrinkles? It's called aging, it's a sign of life, health, and normalcy. Looking like someone took a floor buffer to your face isn't the gotcha you think it is. Jean/Vonny is really pretty, I'm not going to lie. Looks don't
really matter, but she looks like a very healthy older woman, and that's respectable imo.
No. 1315335
>>1313980I think they are wising up to people asking this question, which is why you see troons these days pushing the idea that sex differences are bullshit as well.
Usually in the form of smugly declaring "sex differences are a bit more complicated than you learned in high school biology" which works on most people because it's
partially true. There are XY people who have a completely female phenotype externally, there are sex chromosome errors, there is mosaicism, etc.
But of course, none of this changes the fact that humans only have two sets of gametes, and that 99%+ of humans fall into the normally expressed XX or XY category.
And more importantly: the whole discipline of biology falls apart if you try to impose this ridiculous standard on it. "Humans have two legs" - well, some of them don't, some are born without legs, some are born with a well-developed fetus in fetu and therefore technically have FOUR legs. "The human body exhibits bilateral symmetry" - um no it doesn't sweaty, some people only have one eye, some babies are born with a club foot, many people have an extra nipple on one side! The whole field of health care would fall apart if we erased any and all general statements based on the existence of some rare disorders. But apparently we are now supposed to do this when it comes to sex differences, and accept that the idea of there being two sexes was just transphobic all along lmao
(Trannies also love to pretend to be "intersex" these days even though intersex is not a medical category. I have also seen trannies pushing the idea that intersex means having both sets of genitalia, which is physically impossible and does not happen in humans, and that such conditions are
common. All bullshit, but most people with enough knowledge to shut them down don't want to risk their own careers)
No. 1315343
>>1315334Can you give confirmation of him being truly HSTS and former femboy? I'm
>>1314994 and I'd like confirmation, just to see how sharp my senses are. Someone refuted me (it started that thread), so I could be wrong. There's just something about him that screams 4chan skinnyfat twink to me, more than AGP.
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>>1315100I think this video says it all. Contra (agp) and the other troon (hsts) basically both have agp imo. The typology isn’t clear cut. They both fetishize female body parts and functions. These men are frustrated they don’t have female X part because they want sexual gratification. Just like the incels who dissect their jawline length and who say it’s responsible for the rejection they get. These men have a fetish and wear woman face, there is no “true trans”.
No. 1315358
>>1315322>>1315324Okay don't wanna start this debate but that's just very inaccurate, human beings and other hominoids were hunter gatherers for most of our history and a lot of our mental problems come from the fact that we are still very much the same hunter gatherers, using Chimpanzees and Bonobos, before Homo-Sapiens even existed Chimps and our ancestors had split over 6 million years ago
no offense but a lot of radfems were/are very sheltered and had no idea about Anthropology and most importantly survivalism and the skills you need to actually live in the woods in their dumb fantasies
>>1315326The whole reason intersectionality came to be was cause the entire movement was led by upper middle college educated white women, there was no representation or space for working class women, black women, mentally ill women
Its pretty east to say why there was such a backlash against the whole thing
No. 1315361
>>1315333Freak troon wants to take out his issues on a pretty mommy and bring her down a peg or two, I'm sure. Never, ever underestimate the desire of the workaday male to punish "mommy" for her years and years of perceived slights. Or to punish Stacy for not fucking him. The only female they ever seem to not have decades of resentment built up towards is little girls. They want to become them. Men are so creepy. Particularly, of course, troons.
>>1315335Exactly anon. I hate the intersex arguments and "WELLACKSHULLY" shit about how some incredibly rare situations can happen that result in a person being neither entirely male or female. It all goes back I think to that "
valid" shit, where anything that doesn't account for even the most obscure of human experience is "invalidating".
No. 1315362
>>1315344Actually, we have a relatively high amount of male paternal care as compared to other mammalian species. When fathers are exposed to their babies, their testosterone levels drop & there's also shifts in oxytocin and other neurochemicals if I recall correctly. We also have a very short window where mothers become pregnant again, 2/3 years, which is much shorter than our primate relatives like gorillas (6ish years) which rely on almost exclusively maternal care, indicating that fathers did play a significant role, especially after the babies are weaned and the burden of breastfeeding is no longer put on the woman. Human babies are both very biologically costly and take a fuckton of parental care to raise, so it's very unfeasible that by the same we evolved into anatomically modern humans, the burden was put entirely on the mother. Which is why the current day nuclear family where the baby is highly reliant on the mother and only the mother doesn't work out very great.
It's also an evolutionary mating strategy for female primates to sleep with an array of men, to muddle up who paternity actually belongs to and thus ensure support in caretaking from more than one man. You can see this reflected in some cultural myths of hunter-gatherers where they thought that each person a woman has sex with contributed to the baby.
Not to evofag but this is one of my interests. Sarah Blaffer Hrdy is a primatologist + anthropologist who's written a lot about this if you're curious. We're pretty variable when it comes to care strategies, and it typically depends on the environment. We can have very high levels of paternal care or little (see post agricultural revolution hierarchal societies where the average amount of paternal care dropped).
No. 1315366
>>1315362None of that is proof that male humans were playing a significant in the care of offspring. Male tigers are less aggressive towards their offspring but they don't raise them. Even in hunter-gatherer societies, grandmothers, sisters, and brothers can play a larger role in childcare than fathers do (which probably explains why menopause exists in older women).
Ntayrt and sage for OT (not going to continue this discussion because its derailing this thread).
No. 1315369
>>1315358There's nothing inaccurate about what I said, and I wasn't implying we were bonobos lol, just providing an example of how higher levels of male strength don't necessarily lead to a particular response. I don't think you understand what I said at all or that you have any particular understanding of anthropology, because it's very common to look at our closest relatives as behavioral comparisons.
I know plenty about anthropology though. Hunter-gatherer societies were relatively more egalitarian than the societies that came after them, for the record. Still not perfect though, which is why we shouldn't look to the past for a blueprint of the future.
And intersectionality was invented by a black woman with the intent of describing the effects of racialized misogyny and sexualized racism. It's white men who have mostly hijacked the whole thing.
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>>1314885>His only interaction with his biological father was on his 13th birthday, a meeting which turned violent as McGee's father drunkenly assaulted him that night.>McGee had a number of stepfathers when growing up until his mother finally settled into a relationship with a transgender woman. When McGee was sixteen, he came home from school and found his house empty and abandoned; the only things left were his bed, his books, his clothes and his Commodore 64 computer. His mother had sold the house to pay for two plane tickets and the fee for her girlfriend's sex reassignment surgery, leaving him on his own. He packed up his computer, dropped out of high school and took a variety of odd jobs, finally settling on a Volkswagen repair shop.some troon really convinced a mother to abandon her children(mcgee also had a younger sister) and sell her house to pay for a crotch axe wound
No. 1315372
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Interesting.
No. 1315373
>>1315366Just read Sarah Blaffer Hrdy before we derail this whole thread then. Male primates definitely provide more paternal care than male tigers, dumbass, they weren't just generally less aggressive.
They can play a larger role depending on environment, which is why I said we're very variable on our care strategies. That is the whole point.
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>>1315372had to look at his post history, he thinks HRT didn't help because his mental map of his height is way more UwU than his reality, which is ugga-ugga. Seriously delusional scrote imagines himself an entire foot smaller, unsurprisingly a height more befitting of a teenage girl or an anime girl.
I don't know… most supermodels are 6 foot plus, are you sure you're not just an ugly male ogre and that's why HRT didn't work?
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This one passes as a Regency era prince who was breastfed into his twenties.
No. 1315382
>>1315375Plenty of women over six foot are self-conscious about their height as well. I’m sure the majority of overweight people have a “mental map” of themselves as much slimmer too.
But only these people get to cry and threaten suicide and demand that those around them comfort them and cater to their feelings constantly and demand free medical procedures and exemptions and accommodations (because they are aggressive straight white men lol). The rest of us just deal with it like adults.
No. 1315384
>>1315380I mean the lady had horrible taste in men, seeing as the father of her child was a violent drink, but leaving your children for a Troon just boggles the mind
why would any human being do that
No. 1315385
>>1315361Men feel plenty of resentment towards little girls. Without mentioning how boys treat girls, men regularly assert misogyny around little girls to "put them in their place", molest little girls, jack off to CP or porn that featuring "childlike" women, murder little girls, etc. We"ve repeatedly seen troons talk about how much they hate little girls and want to kill them, because they "can't be them", but that could be an excuse. What sounds better, "I'm mad at the little girl because I'm envious of her", or "I'm mad at the little girl because she's a girl"?
>>1315375>5'1"Jesus Christ, 5'4" is short for women, where I live. I know full grown women can be shorter, but it's insane to me that these moids think it's anything other than immensely creepy to want to be that small. Any time a guy deliberately comments on my height as a positive, I assume he's either very insecure, a pervert, or both. These dudes actually want to skinwalk the idea of a petite anime girl, don't they? Disgusting, get them detixed from the internet and porn.
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>>1315321I don't know but picrel is funny to me.
No. 1315398
>>1315377lmao you're right, many of them are obsessed with that.
they pretend they love eva because they think it makes them look smart, since it references psychological theories and rips off arthur clarke, but the real reason they love it is because they jack off to the sexualized underage cartoon girls.
a person that is actually smart would just read childhood's end and other books for many of the same philosophical speculations that eva has instead of watching a cheaply made cartoon that wastes screen time on creepshots of little girls.
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>>1315238Why are moids so fucking retarded. I always knew he was a man. Even when I was in high school on /b/. He looks like a scene boy.
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>>1315405He has a pudgy body so the fat helps disguise his maleness but his face is a dead giveaway
>>1315406he's still working on it, it might take a couple years but with the income he gets from his mobile games it might be finished with in 3-4 years
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I don't get why they idolise puberty blockers, so far from what I've seen they don't help with body shape at all. Once those guys get 25+ they just look like males with long hair anyway.
>>1315241I tried to watch it and it was so boring, actors were so bad and it was so wannabe deep I turned it off midways. Talked to my mom about it afterwards and found out she went through the exact same journey with this movie.
It's the tale as old as time, what scrotes like is 'good' and what women like is 'bad'. Women have bad music taste, women have bad movie taste, teenage girls are lame, women have bad taste in books, female hobbies are lame. All of those are taken as a fact irl and on the Internet.
BTW the Wispa mansplainer guy really reminds me of the main guy from Her kek
>>1315409I'm really hyped for the next game but I'm kinda worried it's never gonna get made. It's been so many years. Second game is what got me into gaming.
No. 1315416
from Whipping girl by Julia Serano(A degenerate TIM TRA)
>We must also stop pretending that there are essential differences between women and men. This begins with the acknowledgment that there are exceptions to every gender rule and stereotype, and this simply stated fact disproves all gender theories that purport that female and male are mutually exclusive categories. We must move away from pretending that women and men are “opposite” sexes, because when we buy into that myth it establishes a dangerous precedent. For if men are big, then women must be small; and if men are strong then women must be weak. And if being butch is to make yourself rock-solid, then being femme becomes allowing yourself to be malleable; and if being a man means taking control of your own situation, then being a woman becomes living up to other people’s expectations. When we buy into the idea that female and male are “opposites,” it becomes impossible for us to empower women without either ridiculing men or pulling the rug out from under ourselves. It is only when we move away from the idea that there are “opposite” sexes
Some might consider this passage progressive and might even agree with this, but its fundemtally backwards as well as blind to reality, Men are men and women are women and while there are bullshit gender roles that we should erase pretending that massive biological differences that we developed over the course of millions of years in our evolutionary history is dumb, men are bigger then women and are stronger then women, but women have higher pain tolerance, better perception of color, longer life expectancy and better ability to survive famines and a million other things
No. 1315418
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>>1315414hang on I think he might onto something, there are a minority of actual women who willingly get into relationships with TIMs e.g Nats getty and as discussed American mcgee's mother, there attraction could be based on the attraction certain heterosexual women have for femme gay men
It could be a desire for a ultra feminine gay best friend that will also fuck them
No. 1315423
>>1315044>Trannie tankies simping for a fascist government committing genocide, encouraging racism and xenophobia, banning depictions of homosexuality, censoring not only the internet but all of distributed media becoming one of the lowest ranking countries on the Press Freedom Index, offering atrocious health care and thorough corruption through the systemYeah it checks out
>>1315100True. I know a hardcore AGP who's clearly only into women but fantasizes about being assfucked just to "feel more like a woman" because to him peak femininity is being used as a fuckhole. AGP is a hell of a drug and pornsick sexual behavior isn't an indicator of sexuality.
No. 1315424
>>1315416Look at the way the author casually jumps from gender roles to sex, and hopes nobody will notice. They think if they just spout this drivel at enough people, and scream at or threaten anyone who disagrees, they can actually stop people recognizing sexual differences and then they'll finally be women. Nature doesn't work that way.
Not to mention that all of the stereotypes Serano is supposedly decrying are the ones being pushed by AGPs, who start taking hormones and immediately brag about how they're helpless and tiny and can't open jars. Plus the whole idea that being a woman consists ONLY of putting on a wig and a dress and makeup and mincing around like a drag queen.
No. 1315429
>>1315422women who wanna get fucked by drag queens, that's weird to think about
>>1315420we can still see color better though and are adapt at surviving famines
No. 1315438
>>1315431Women (specifically the conquest of women) is at the center of heterosexual male sexuality. Sex is a lifelong obsession for most men, and a high that they keep chasing. It only makes sense that the object of their obsession seems all-powerful to them, and they want to become that which they hold as the ultimate goal.
Alternatively, I've always thought it has a lot to do with most heterosexual men never feeling "wanted" sexually. There is a top 5% of men that straight women genuinely want to fuck, and the rest are men that we might love for reasons outside of sex (and just tolerate sex with them, not actively "crave" it)…anyway, men desire women to the point of delirium, and they want to hold a modicum of that power and sway.
I think AGP is increasing these days as average men are becoming less and less 'desirable' for average women. We can survive on our own, we don't have as much obligation to find a male early, or settle. Women expect more now and so men have destabilized and are grasping to become 'wanted' again. That's why we have lots of embittered incels, neo-primitive, trad conservatards who want to LARP as 'normal' men, and of course AGPs. It's all the last gasps of a sex that is realizing that only a small percentage of them are truly "wanted" or needed in the modern world.
No. 1315444
>>1315438Women in the past weren't even allowed to pick their husbands in most cultures. A boy would grow up and his parents would ensure him a wife through an arranged marriage. Moids are mad that they aren't gifted brides upon adulthood and can't treat women as legal property.
They are trooning out to cope.
No. 1315449
>>1315444Depends on the region of the world, while women in the western world were always forced into marriage with a moid women still did have a choice, sure the desired male partner had to approved by the parents but at least had any semblance of a choice, in East Asia, South Asian and West Asia marriage was like a business dead between 2 families and the concept of love outside sex between them was non-existent
see for example the marriage between Tamar of Georgia and her husband Alan, after divorcing her
abusive drunk-ex she married one of her personal Military Commanders, something like that would been implausible in any other region in the world
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>>1315412I’ve known dudes who took puberty blockers, they all masculinise with age.
You can also look up candids of people like Teddy Quinlivan, who despite taking blockers, being an ana-chan, and getting implants end up looking like picrel in the face.
Honestly I do actually feel bad for the people who get put on blockers as child ten, they cause long term health issues (especially in women) and everyone lies about how they create men who pass. It’s medical malpractice.
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>>1315459Jazz Jennings is another good example. Puberty blocked but still ages like, in his case, an ugly fat guy with long hair. I find the whole idealization of "passing" being wrapped up with delaying puberty creepy too. I get it logically, puberty is where sexual dimorphism becomes impossible to deny, but there is a creepy element of "little boys look WAY more like girls" to it. Then of course there is the entire tranny obsession with 'passing', specifically as a woman they would fuck.
It isn't enough the entire world calls you ma'am now, and you get to invade our spaces and everyone validates you are a woman. You need to also eyefuck yourself and 'pass'. Aren't we all just what people tell us we are? If everyone says you are a woman, no question, why does it even matter what you look like at that point?
No. 1315469
>>1315333It’s funny seeing their pics side by side. The woman has the camera at a neutral angle, minimal makeup, normal hair, smiling to the camera. She looks like a woman her age, friendly face and eyes, the wrinkles and face are all natural signs of a mature woman.
On the right you have an obvious male, same age, angling the camera down on himself, with a juvenile hand pose and a filter on top, he is attempting to “smize” but has a face any person would read as unreliable and a sociopath. You can see the moid rage behind his eyes.
No. 1315485
>>1315412Puberty blockers won’t help MTFs, male bone structure is encoded in the DNA, it will grow no matter what. Also, estrogen isn’t a hormone that makes things grow, this is a misconception that troons have in their heads. Just take estrogen and you will get female bone structure. Estrogens main role is to regulate the menstural cycle and it’s at its peak when women are of fertile age because we need strong bones to survive a pregnancy. Women also produce testosterone and it increases significantly during female puberty, that’s why we have a growth spurt . Sorry if you don’t have female DNA you will be a linebacker man no matter what. Also, starving yourself isn’t helping these troons pass better, the most passing MTFs are all fat.
Puberty blockers + testosterone on FTMs makes them pass way better because testosterone makes shit grow. Unironically, women are better men than men, as opposed to the other way around. These troons will always look like men no matter what they do because of dat undeniable moid bone structure (and behavior).
>no hips because you can’t get pregnant and your moid brain will always read you like male>bu.. but infertile women exist That’s a condition only women expedite
Honestly it’s almost like DNA and chromosomes are important, kek. These moids want a female body but our bodies are designed to give birth. Ain’t going to happen.
No. 1315521
>>1315424What pisses me off about men who want to become women is that they never advocate for having a period. Yes, I know, not all biological women have periods and they are still women. I think trans women should be required to install a uterus and go through actual female puberty (I know this isn't how science works). They "feel" like a woman? Okay, then take PMS, cramps, bloating, throwing up from the pain, getting TSS from leaving your tampon in too long, etc., like a woman. Cuz you're right, putting on a wig, dress, and makeup doesn't make a person anything other than having a wig, dress, and makeup on.
And since they seem to be so concerned with inappropriate gender roles, why are they putting female gendered clothing and accessories on in the first place? Just be a really effeminate man who likes to wear women's clothing and use women's personal care products. No one gives a shit.
No. 1315528
>>1315523Do they? I hadn't come across that info yet so I guess I assumed they didn't talk about it much. I'm trying to figure out what gender dysmorphia really is. It seems to me to be like a branch off of body dysmorphia. Body dysmorphia is categorized as a mental health disorder so why isn't gender dysmorphia?
If they want to go through the pain of menstruation more power to them, I guess? Me having to take pain meds every month doesn't make me more 'woman' than my neighbor who had a hysterectomy. It's wigging me out that society wants us to start saying that (trans) men can have babies, too, but we have to acknowledge that they are 100% men. Because giving birth is just a gendered construct?
No. 1315529
>>1315459>>1315468Jazz put on weight like a man, or a woman with severe PCOS. Can't conquer those male genes. And on top of that boys who go on blockers often end up with these weird childlike heads on top of adult bodies. It's awful.
But still, we are obliged to hand out meds to save the lives of all these 'trans kids', even though it's a concept that barely existed 10 years ago.
No. 1315537
>>1315528Don't try to apply much logic to it.
I do think gender dysphoria (not dysmorphia) can be real, although whether it should be treated with transition is another question. However I don't think most trannies today actually experience dysphoria in the way it has traditionally been described. For the most part trannies today consist of:
- autistic boys who are groomed online into thinking that their social problems are due to them really being female (note, plenty of MtF trannies literally have an 'egg cracking' fetish that consists of convincing other men, usually younger, that they are trans)
- Male cross-dressers for whom being female is a sexual fantasy and so want to live as one. When they talk about 'gender euphoria' they usually mean getting a boner. When they talk about 'gender dysphoria' they mean anything that makes their boner go away.
- Men who call themselves transwomen online (often they don't even take hormones) so that they have an excuse to scream at women and call them cunts all the time, access online female spaces, claim victimhood, etc
- Pedos who want easier access to children
- A shrinking proportion of homosexual transexuals (ie, trannies interested only in men) who are now a minority but who are what most normies still think of when they hear 'transwoman'.
This last group are also often sex workers. Whenever you hear about a high murder rate of trans women, what that really means is that these gay prostitutes dressed as women (who are often people of color) are often murdered by other men in the course of their work. However, the other types of transwomen will dishonestly present the statistics as if
they are in danger of being killed. In reality they are in absolutely zero danger and are usually comfortable, whiny white men.
No. 1315566
>>1315484I was convinced that a husband would love and look out for me. It took years of adulthood for me to realize that at least 99% of men can't love anyone outside their birth family.
>>1315416That TRA passage really sums up the fallacy that has been fucking over women raised in the past 40+ years. Just because women ignore what women are, it doesn't mean men will stop being how men are. Look at how many boomer parents left their teen girls alone with boy "friends" who just ruined their self esteem, respect, and confidence, and turned them into "cool girls" who think they understand men and that men like them. I wish MechaRandom got a thread, she got completely BTFOed by her own YT in-group for admitting that the guy running the Star Wars fan shitstream, that brought her on just to show how much he wasn't sexist, was actually harassing and screaming at women behind the scenes. She spent years being the "we really love women" face for YouTube moids, and the most she got out of it was being called a fat whale by the battle frog comics guy. In fact, probably all her "sjw harassment" over the years was came from her own side, and she never suspected that they all fucking hate her.
No. 1315603
>>1315437>china bad because they send islamic terrorists to re-education campsamericans project as hard as transgenders, everyone else knows they're the ones who genocided arabs in the iraq war
>>1315439how will discord pedos be able to groom little kids into being trans with the use of porn if porn is censored on the internet, such a tragedy
No. 1315693
>>1315528>do they?Google Yaniv.
>>1315459>>1315468Cause the body is still producing adrenal androgens. Hence the masculinization over time. See also: Janet Mock.
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>>1314951From leftypol(which is basically the same thing as chapochat) they seethe so much at all mentions of their biological sex
No. 1315852
>>1315680Classic skinny
poc transvestite prostitute. First picture seems like he's picking his nose, I can smell the rest.
No. 1315886
>>1315859since when do the nazis on pol support the chinese communist party
>>1315876>people seriously think xi jinping is running psyops on fucking lolcow.farmlmao the amount of red scare
No. 1315887
>>1315885>Every troon that likes Evangelion is a particularly nasty one.Same from my experience. Evangelion is also responsible for the most
toxic waifu war in history. The franchise and fandom is pure concentrated autism.
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>>1315885anno himself has described nge as a feminist work and the overt sexualization and misogyny in it as critical tbh. Isn’t he married to a Japanese radfem
No. 1315892
>>1315889>anno himself has described nge as a feminist work and the overt sexualization and misogyny in it as critical tbhThis is retarded reasoning.
>Isn’t he married to a Japanese radfemNo he isn’t. Radfems barely even exist in Japan.
No. 1315898
>>1315889Anno is a hack, but I appreciate that his newest Evangelion movie ended by telling Eva fans to go the fuck outside for once and stop living in a fantasy world. The screeching was insane, not sure if his wife is a radfem but she's definitely a good influence.
>>1315891On 4chan it's still customary for women and girls to pretend they're male(calling each other "bros", etc), even on boards like /cm/ which are dedicated to cute fanart of male characters made by and for women. The board as a whole is probably <10% gay and bi men.
Of course, the only anons who openly say they're "girls" are the troons on /lgbt/ and the like.
No. 1315950
>>1315358You're not entirely wrong, Kimberle Crenshaw developed intersectionality to explain the experience of multiply marginalized women, but you are 100% wrong that the "entire movement was led by upper middle class college educated white women." The suffrage movement was intertwined with the temperance movement, which RAN on the experiences of poor women. The leadership of working class immigrant Jewish women in the textile industry was paramount. The second wave got what it got done BECAUSE it wasn't a homogenous group–Susan Faludi's Backlash has a bunch of great info on blue collar women's attempts to break into the trades. Black and Chicana women of the '70s built entire MOVEMENTS that produced thousands of pages of work, much of it specifically criticizing the male supremacy of the Black and Chicano groups, which somehow never gets remembered as well as every time they criticized (rightfully!) feminism. Flo Kennedy co-ran the famous Miss America protest, founded the Feminist Party, and toured with Gloria Steinem! I'm not saying there were never any issues of power, absolutely there always have been, but 1. men have worked tirelessly to portray feminism as a frivolous white girl's hobby by pushing this line (and NEVER criticizing men in social movements in the same way, like they haven't frequently been a bunch of rich boy rapists) and 2. at some point, all this does is erase the women who worked their asses off throughout history to make space for themselves. And it makes feminism completely US-centric, when it has ALWAYS Been global. He Zhen, Begum Rokeya, Clara Leimlich, Cherrie Moraga, Ida B. Wells, and a thousand other women are part of our history. And in fact, Kimberle Crenshaw herself has criticized this tendency – google her "Close Encounters of Three Kinds" piece.
I don't mean to jump down your throat, anon, so apologies on that front. But this is such a common line, and I just can't stand it anymore.
No. 1315969
>>1315954Yeah, they seem to believe there’s misogyny all over the world
except the West and treat misogyny as something only non-white/non-Western men can perpetuate. They claim Western women have more rights than men, have “female privilege”, or have it easier than men. You can see endless hordes of Western men flooding Thailand and the Philippines to find a poor and “submissive” Southeast Asian bride to marry, because these men have “given up on Western women”.
No. 1315972
>>1315969White men developing AGP and wife shopping in Southeast Asia are all incel cope behaviors because Western women have more freedoms to not marry trash like them. There was even that one white TiM who identified as a Filipina.
It's not just the "become your own gf" meme, but also the "become your own ASIAN gf".
No. 1315978
>>1315418>It could be a desire for a ultra feminine gay best friend that will also fuck themJesus Christ just date a bisexual guy at that point. Or– here's a thought– have your best friend and the person who fucks you be two different people.
>>1315422Drag represents all the things biological women are ridiculed for– lots of makeup, swearing, promiscuity, wearing wigs, being loud, being opinionated, etc. Now, those aren't necessarily positive behaviors, but they're things more women would be if there wasn't so much shame around them. The fact that men doing those things is just considered "fun" and "quirky" while for women it would make them a whore tells you everything you need to know.
Basic women like drag queens 1) because they think being a gag hag is a personality trait and 2) because they live vicariously through the queens. Once again it's men doing things women can't and acting like it's subversive.
No. 1316000
>>1315984>>1315985>>1315986Kind of a shame, because the bisexual men (actual bi men, not straight men calling themselves bi for woke clout) I've met IRL have been pretty solid guys.
Bisexuality isn't really "trendy" anymore, so they Myspace-era posers aren't very common these days. Bisexual men also don't seem as likely to troon out, probably because they're not as fixated on the differences between the sexes to begin with. Usually when troons are bisexual, it's a result of AGP or desperation.
Also I'm not sure where all the paranoia about bisexual men passing on STIs comes from, maybe it's a relic of the 80s or 90s. In my experience bi men have a hard time getting laid because gays prefer other gays and straights prefer other straights. Meanwhile bisexual women are afraid to describe themselves as such because being a genderspecial or a ""lesbian"" is more hip.
No. 1316001
>>1315995I think there are far more well written male characters than there are female characters. Male characters are often written with a level of depth that most female writers don't even come close to. The professional writing world is male-dominated and most men really struggle with writing women. It's only fanfiction that is female-dominated but since fanfiction is predominantly about shipping and most fanfic writers are straight women, they prefer to write m/m and m/f rather than f/f.
I think many female characters tend to be written better in fanfiction (unless she gets in the way of a ship). Many of these female characters are actually pretty shallow in their canon source material but their lives get expanded upon in fanfiction.
No. 1316009
>>1315995It's all those reasons imo
>most female characters are not written as well as male characters so women have trouble relating to female characters and come to prefer male characters>women have internalized misogyny so they gravitate towards male characters anyway>most female fans are heterosexual so they want to write about two men in love, two women in a relationship is not appealing to them>>1316000>Bisexuality isn't really "trendy" anymore, so they Myspace-era posers aren't very common these days. On the contrary I see it more than ever. Everybody on social media is some flavor of queer even though they are clearly straight. They absolutely do not want to be thought of as a "cishet".
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No. 1316026
>>1316024Can’t remember which one
nonny. I just made some comment about straight women not dating bi men because a lot of them are messy and feel entitled to straight women’s affections.
>>1316025True.
No. 1316028
>>1316000>>1316020Most of the guys I've met who say they're bi are full of shit,
abusive, or both. One was genuinely bipolar (diagnosed), one was a confirmed cheater, one was a narcissist who gaslit everyone around him and withheld information, the list goes on. I generally don't think they have the guts to fuck other men, they all seemed or outright claimed to be afraid of being on the recieving end of homophobia, to a paranoid degree. Maybe I'm an outlier, but maybe "false-woke bastard bisexual man" should be a stereotype. At least most of them don't troon out (the bipolar guy did, surprising no one) or become chasers, but they virtue signal about troons online like crazy.
No. 1316036
>>1316033*videos from the previous thread
Sorry forgot to add this info in.
No. 1316056
>>1316020The risk with bi men is that so many get married to straight women and have kids with them but then they’re cheating on their wives with other men. Since so many bisexuals in heterosexual relationships have internalized homophobia, they think homosexual relationships are lesser so the same-sex cheating “doesn’t count”.
All the bisexual men I know are super pro-trans, maybe because they are the demographic most sexually attracted to trannies since they are a “best of both worlds” thing to them. I know a lot of HSTS say they want to date straight men and not bi men but they always end up with a bisexual boyfriend anyway. I remember one HSTS said that they hated dating bi men because they are always bottoms who expect the HSTS to pound them in the ass, kek.
No. 1316079
>>1316056>I remember one HSTS said that they hated dating bi men because they are always bottoms who expect the HSTS to pound them in the ass, kek.I read something similar to this. The HSTS gets a bisexual boyfriend but they are both bottoms which
triggers the HSTS's dysphoria because he thinks he is playing the "male role" when having sex. It's really common for bisexual men to be submissive when having sex with gay men and dominant when having sex with straight women.
No. 1316115
>>1315969While they are wrong, I have seen certain libfems/radfems claim just as delusionally that the west is actually worse for women then for women in the Middle East or Asia of Africa
both sides are wrong but its undeniable that the only place with any semblance of women's rights is the west
No. 1316134
>>1316118Moids use comparative morality to claim innocence for everything. If they did something wrong, they'll always say something like "at least I didn't do this
worse thing", and if the culture they participate in is shitty, they'll say "but it's so much worse in this
other place". They don't care about what's actually right or fair for anyone but themselves, everything else is just a show for social credit. Even when they troon out, they always use the same "other people are more evil than me, so I'm not evil at all" tactic.
No. 1316162
>>1316017>>1316018Female TRAs are like a roommate who allows a burglar into your house. Like you can take all the necessary measures to keep burglars out, but it's no use if your roommate is a retard who leaves the door wide open.
Women who willingly give up their own rights to please men don't deserve to live in first-world countries. They haven't suffered a day in their lives so they have no concept of how much they take their freedoms for granted. Meanwhile feminists in Afghanistan are literally trying to get out of there before the government fucking murders them for daring to say women deserve to go to school.
No. 1316166
>>1316115>the west is actually worse for women then for women in the Middle East or Asia of AfricaI've never seen radfems claim this on any platform ever, the fuck?
We all know radfems can get into dumb nitpicking arguments but saying they have it worse than i.e. women in Afghanistan is bullshit
No. 1316167
>>1316164Sage for OT but yeah, the US funded and created almost every Islamist group we have today just to counter the Communists and look what we have today
Islamist groups before the US were crushed with in days by authoritarians secular governments
The US taught them warfare, hooked them up with other Islamists groups(which created the current Global Islamists we have today) and well ruined the lives of hundreds of millions of Muslim women
No. 1316171
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These guys will waste a fortune on clothes that don't fit.
No. 1316179
>>1316169I mean its still better then what the men in my country are like and I don't blame the "western world" rather the Anglo-American Alliance, Their the reason were in such shit in the Muslim world when the Idea of Islamism was dying
just cause of their irrational fear of Communism
No. 1316185
>>1316180Anon Islam is fundamentally awful religion that needs to be erased, its the rules and theories of an Arab Shaikh and the interpretations of generations of lazy and good-for-nothing Molvis, this theology of an immoral Arab which always back to 7th century Arabia for an Ideal state
it needs to suppressed and lose all meaning, so it is necessary for all states to suppress the religion of the Arab pedophile
No. 1316187
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Hope this hasn't been posted yet.
TIM hysterically shouting 'witch' at some women while other AGPs in ridiculous outfits stand behind him.
Not sure if funny or sad, good watch anyway.
Video is in link:
https://mobile.twitter.com/PianoDentist86/status/1434275486499315716 No. 1316197
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>>1316183Between the AGP transvestites, egirls, cosplay sluts, alt whores like Zoe Quinn, trigglypuffs, dangerhair libfems, and rockabilly infinifats, I feel like alternative fashion is just dead. I want Walmart to bring back the Ellen Degeneres line, just ship me a whole wardrobe of ultra normie core.
No. 1316216
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First step, look at any picture of any woman and don't be autistically faceblind. Second step take your little sister's barrette out of your hair and give up, chomo.
No. 1316226
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>>1316209I worry that smaller brands will start fucking up their sizing and styles to accommodate no-waist ana troons and potbellied Dennis Nedry Juniors.
No. 1316229
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>>1316227Dunno. Just some horrifying jpeg I found on tumblr without any context.
No. 1316230
>>1316183>>1316209Moids ruin almost everything they touch but that shouldn't stop you from enjoying your favorite aesthetics, nonita. I know it's hard ignoring them, but remember: the majority of these coomers can't dress to save their lives, will always look like the worst caricatures of women and they know it. The validation they receive from handmaidens and other TIMs always wears off, so they will jump onto something else.
>>1316197Men will jack off to our fashion taste even if we only wore potato sacks and slippers made of straw. It isn't about articles of clothing, it's about pursuing a fantasy of being
us.
Ever read Conservative Men in Conservative Dresses? It's a long article published in the Atlantic Monthly, now purged from its archives; it discussed the mentality of those sickos way before queer theory infected the minds of normal people in Anglophone countries.
>The world of cross-dressers is for the most part a world of traditional men, traditional marriages, and truths turned inside out.>A central tenet of Tri-Ess is that cross-dressing is a gift–that wearing women's clothes is both relaxing and expressive of a feminine self that is nurturing and gentle–and that it can enhance any marriage if the wife is wise enough to appreciate it and strong enough to corral what can be, as Jane Ellen admits, a narcissistic, self-indulgent habit.https://catholicintelligenceblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/consmenconsdresses.pdf No. 1316237
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>>1316226He should hang out with other bearded troons on HER app.
No. 1316256
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>>1316187Kek, this reply.
Anyway I just know that man's foul breath was hot. Poor lady.
No. 1316264
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>>1316256>>1316235Here he is pretending to be full-on immobile and disabled.
Look at the crotch of the tights on the guy next to him. And the face of the person in that car. Comedy gold.
And this is what TRAs try to push as totally not different in any way from us.
No. 1316265
>>1313346Salo is based on the book 120 Days of Sodom by the Marquis de Sade. It doesn't have a meaning, De Sade was a pedophile degenerate who wrote many books rambling on about the abuse, torture, and murder of women at the hands of men. He was a "philosopher" who spoke about how only the strong survive but this was just a weak justification for why his extremely degenerate books should be allowed to circulate during France in the mid to late 1700s. The shit eating is present in 120 Days of Sodom as well as all his other books because he had a fetish for shit eating. That's all his entire career was- an outlet for his fetishes
Moids and troons like Salo because it's about the rape and torture of teens while pretending that there is meaning behind it. It really is just a shock film.
No. 1316269
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>>1316265OT but this comment about Salo makes me mad. It seems like modern porn is worse than shit like Salo.
No. 1316282
>>1316274CAM ON ENGERLAND
Literally this cunts physiognomy would not be out of place down the pub 2 missed goals away from storming home and beating the shit out of his wife
No. 1316304
>>1316280They already know that het moids will swipe right on every woman who isn't Amberlynn fat, while women into men will barely select any men. So it would be easy to tell after just 50 swipes, and only show other troons to troons.
>>1316264I don't think I've ever seen a woman wearing an ID card or keys on a lanyard outside of an office. It's extra dumb next to the little Victoria's Secret (of course) mini purse. That thing has a card window on the other side, and you clip your keys to the chain. And he's wearing an actual man's button down under that Kim Jong Il jacket. And his pants are in tatters.
No. 1316314
>>1316269Back in the 60s and 70s, Italian media would produce "mondo movies" (most notable, "mondo cane", a series of shockumentaries featuring death and sex as an interpretation of human nature). In truth, very little of it was of any intellectual or philosophical substance, it was just for the sake of showcasing vulgarity. Salo is just a movie put out as part of this. Why they decided to set it in early 1900s Italy instead of 1800s France is likely because it was easier. Nothing to do with fascism, no symbolism, nothing.
At MOST the original book 120 Days of Sodom could be interpreted as a jab at aristocracy and men in positions of authority within the church by calling them gluttonous pedophile murderers who abuse the lower classes, and even then you'd be making a huge fucking reach
Ling story short- moids, even in dresses, just like sexualised torture
No. 1316325
>>1316304The sunflower lanyard stands for hidden disability.
>>1316314>moids, even in dresses, just like sexualised tortureThe troon ones are even more likely to be into sick shit because paraphilias come in clusters. Like for example how many of them are pedos.
No. 1316371
>>1316237>Hey TERFS, I hate how flat my chest is tooWhat? What
TERF would give a shit? You’re a man so it makes sense. Also he looks like Ferris Bueller and Cameron Frye combined. He could play both roles at once.
>>1316264Lmao the crotch is killing me. So ladylike!
No. 1316383
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>>1316371I think the men who become transbians really think that lesbians can’t tell that they were and are ugly men, so he thinks the only problem is that he doesn’t have huge tits.
No. 1316386
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>>1316187>this is honestly the funniest picture ive ever seen on the internet his vaguely threatening gesture and stance, the woman meekly clasping her hands together in fear, the difference in size between his massive skull and hers, his caveman-tier slouch making him look like a hunchback versus her standing up straight, the remnants of what appear to be sideburns on the side of his face versus the woman's clear cheeks, the intense expression on his face versus the bewildered expression on hers, the sheer difference in size between their torsos his is probably double the size of hers, his masculine profile with his chin jutting out and his longer face versus her wider face. i could go on, but you get the idea all of this contrasted with the constant assertion that these people are identical to women and there is no meaningful difference between them makes for the most exquisite form of irony when their differences are juxtaposed so vividly. the contrast is almost divine on the right is man's hubris, his desire to capture the beauty of nature and make it his own, his cerebral and conscious understanding of what it means to be what he thinks he is, his intentional "becoming", while on the left is nature, effortless being, no doctors appointments or hormones or surgery, just an "is" that needs nothing added to it in order to be complete. he tries so hard and yet, the harder he tries to "become", the further he takes himself away from the effortless "is" that is the thing he wants to be. it's comedy on a cosmic scale, a joke only god himself could come up with No. 1316407
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>>1316264the innocent onlookers are always my favorite part of these kind of photos. who are these people? where do they come from, where are they going? will they spend their whole lives not knowing that one time, they were the main character.
No. 1316527
>>1315385I read that in hentai, the average height for the an adult woman is 158-160cm. Shorter than that it's considered Loli.
5'1 = 154 cm
No. 1316535
>>1316249Absolutely not. TIMs raid all the time, but it gets deleted because they post targetted gore and CP. The TIFs just get banned without mass deletion because they post less, and are more harmless. I would rather deal with an insecure fujoshi whining about how I'm a "roastie" and ugly because I'm a lesbian who won't troon out and become her "trans prince", than deal with a TIM who keeps calling me subhuman and posting images of brutally murdered women and sexualized children. A gnat may be annoying, but I'd take a gnat over a wasp, any day.
>>1316386I didn't know they were making a live action film based on Donkey Kong (1981).
No. 1316536
>>1316209Wear them anyway
nonnie. You'll win the "who wore it best" award and they can go cope, seethe, and dilate with their loss.
No. 1316540
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>>1316264This guy is an actual retard autist sped and he, surprise, used to love you know what kek
No. 1316701
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>>1313346this one is killing me bc he looks exactly like a ftm
No. 1316744
>>1316290For straight women escaping from the ever-present sexualization of the female body through a setting devoid of sexual female characters, along with the anxieties and shames that come from sex for women (pregnancy, submission to men) is a selling point of BL…as for lesbian I haven't a clue. Maybe they are also afraid of seeing sexualized women despite being sexually attracted to women.
>>1316605I know a lot of bi guys talk about BL to relate better to and seem more attractive to straight girls lmao. Basically, they are attracted to men, can relate to the "heterosexual dynamics" of BL, and also want female attention. Gay men are much more divided on the subject of BL with some enjoying it but others see it as just cringe fap material for straight women.
No. 1316750
>>1315889stop propagating this idiotic BASED RADICAL FEMINIST ANNO bullshit. he literally keeps dvd's of pedophile shows like strike witches on his desk and sells lolicon figures of the eva girls, also stripping instrumentality project was a licensed erotic game starring the underage kids.
https://forum.evageeks.org/post/507708/Un-Monde-Manga-documentary/#507708https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/astro-toy/2009-01-25/with-rob-bricken/evangelion-aerocat-exanno is a hack and eva is mediocre.
No. 1316759
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Joe Lavery is posting about his Kiwifarms thread and incredibly every thing he says in defence makes it all seem more unhinged. I guess the thread was getting slightly dead minus a few schitzo essayists and he wanted to revive it?
Picrel post:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CTckkaDr4GD/KF:
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/grace-lavery-daniel-m-lavery-joseph-lavery-mallory-ortberg.77242/page-97 No. 1316760
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No. 1316768
>>1316764Well, men can actually lactate (it happens to some bodybuilders and hormonally unbalanced men) but it doesn't happen naturally after a woman gives birth. It gives me a
Deep sense of unease to think about AGPs breastfeeding while their cocks throb with excitement like they usually do while skinwalking women.
No. 1316769
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>>1316183>without having to worry about men jacking it to my tastesnot worth worrying about because men will always jack off to your tastes regardless of what it is. they even fetishize and jack off to radical feminism.
No. 1316779
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So chronically online starved for touch losers who will fuck anything with a pulse? What is endearing about this?
No. 1316786
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>>1316780Found it.
I really do think these types of things should be classified as child porn or abuse. Imagine being that baby and in your first moments of life, tens of thousands of men around the world are masturbating to you and that video will remain on the internet forever for millions of other people to see.
https://www.dailydot.com/irl/carla-bellucci-onlyfans-mom-live-stream-birth/(derail) No. 1316841
>>1316759He sounds bored. Mallory is a miserable hirsute princess and That Blonde (can't remember her name) probably isn't providing enough entertainment for his narc ass.
Twitter critics can't really provide the attention he needs (everyone gets timed out or banned lol) so he's diving head first into the source of "hate" instead. Could be entertaining, if kiwis weren't so autistic.
No. 1316911
>>1316899"his pronouns were hanging between his legs"
kek
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No. 1316944
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>>1316941being an actual autist who thinks women are innately feminine is very based
No. 1316994
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It’s totally not a fetish though. Transitioning to “gaze upon women with artistic lust” kek. I guess he realized that when men do that to women, we just call it leering and creepy, so now he’s a lesbian guys!!!
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>>1316994Samefag. This makes me wanna hurl. They don’t even try to hide it.
No. 1317003
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>>1316995They both sound autis–
>actually autistic>fae/faerlol
No. 1317019
>>1316995The flaws in their logic are incredible. They claim lesbians are the biggest terfs in the world, demand to be seen as lesbian women, refuse to date other transbians because they clearly don't value them as much as cis lesbians, and then constantly gush over the concept of being a lesbian like it's the greatest thing in the world. Take comfort in the fact these people can't reproduce
>>1316650Considering the book is set in a completely different time in a completely different place, it's not hard to imagine that they switched the details to a more recent time and in an Italian setting because it's easier to do that than to go through the effort of making everything look like France 200 years ago.
No. 1317067
>>1317028NTA but I think hating men in a exercise in futility, cause you can't actually ever do any sort of meaningful violence or revolution
you are wasting your own time, which is the worst you can do
No. 1317097
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please help me turn off my Socialized Female Empathy, it's hard not to feel pity for the actual retarded ones
No. 1317104
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Totally not a fetish though
No. 1317146
>>1316990is there any evidence for this or are you just butthurt that she doesn't like blm? the movement that includes transgenders who think pussy hats are hateful? lmao
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elle_Hearnsanyway, she's pissed off pol incels by refusing to agree with their racist shit.
No. 1317169
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they're so smart and intellectual
No. 1317189
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They can't miss a single opportunity to show off their degeneracy. Amazon reviews are full of these freaks.
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>>1317189They're plastic leggings Liam. I agree you'll be hot, but not in the way you're hoping.
No. 1317201
>>1317192>too hot to handleLMA0
Lord give me the confidence of a mediocre middle-aged man.
No. 1317202
>>1316994I hope he's talking about his fellow troonbians like
>>1317003but we all know they would never date eachother. Ugly ass creeps. There's a poster on KF (tranny thread) and she regularly dumps cope and seethe dating app posts by these troons. Once they realize women don't want them they go t4t.
No. 1317211
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lol this troon "transgirltherapist" an his mentally handicapped TiF girlfriend made a video on the wispa situation. he still thinks its a hoax and that Darren isnt a real person because he's not on the sex offender registery kek. Started the video where he rages at on Sasha Ayaad, an actual licensed therapist who is GC. Would anyone send their kid to this creep?
https://youtu.be/7FMzwyWnb5I?t=1345 No. 1317221
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when I tell you the biggest coom fantasy these AGPs have is transing young boys thinking the boy to anime girl transformation fetish image they saw that one time will actually happen.
No. 1317233
>>1313500You're fucking retarded. Why do you think scrotes will ever fold to
valid logic if it is presented by the one group of people they detest with all their lives other then themselves. He probably took 5 minutes out of his day to spew his retardation whilst you are taking likely hours from his life to prove "not all women". Just let him go back to his games whilst he tries to hold back his tears from that feel when no gf and whatever minor problems they have.
No. 1317237
>>1317228despite all the gender pink girl, blue boy bs, you can tell who's male and female. He talks over her repeatedly, when she speaks she is really careful not to upset him, and he comes across as really aggressive and
abusive.
No. 1317245
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Jesus Christ
No. 1317270
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>>1317245To my surprise his non anonymous donors aren't all actually fellow femmes. I guess he needs two different GoFundMes because one is for his diet and the other one if for HRT and purple items.
No. 1317282
>>1315152I wonder why it
is so common? Like last year, I remember being shocked bc so many so-called GC women were donating to some HSTS troon's FFS surgery GoFundMe, in the middle of a pandemic. He got called out, and a shitton of women ran to his defense, unironically calling other terves transphobic, and telling them to "Be kind!", it was so fucking bizarre.
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No. 1317405
>>1317328No I'm saying that the lifeboats were prioritized for women and children, so all the mtfs would be using their fem card to get aboard.
And yeah all the trans, genderqueer losers are well off people who would've been in first/second class
No. 1317445
>>1317426That's how they got widespread support from the public, by ensuring everyone thinks they're just effeminate gay men trying to live their lives. That makes them seem oppressed on the same level as gay people and unthreatening towards women.
In reality, the movement is spearheaded by straight male porn addicts. FTMs are probably the majority in terms of numbers but it's the straight AGPs who have the money and influence to secure their "rights" in 1% of the time it took the women's/gay/civil rights movements.