/ot/ - off-topic

I can't stop thinking about how someone the other farms brought up how testosterone doesn't just affect children of TIFs but grandchildren. Especially since eggs are formed in utero for any female children. Testosterone is a carcinogen and a teratogen. I don't understand how we tolerate TIFs poisoning children. Or using T-gel which gets everywhere and exposes other unwilling people or animals to poison. Even small amounts of the gel contain high does of T to contaminate food or anything they touch.

>>2574763
>t poisoning the descendants of tifs
fucking WHAT. post screencaps nonna

>>2574763
yes, give the mentally distressed and deeply self conscious teenage girl drugs, no not the kind to regulate her emotions and has a chance of working, the kind that throws her development and hormone off balance that she'll still need copious amounts of "validation" and lying to convince is totes working.

>>2574763
there's nothing anyone can do about it.

>>2574763
We would have to start carrying about other substances mothers ingest that affect their children and that's a slippery slope

anyone have proof for or against the claim that uk feminists are joining hands with magatards/otherwise anti-woman groups? i've seen a lot of trannies say that

>>2574471 Nayrt, but personally I wouldn't want to "show off" around a tim. If he were to become angry enough to write a reddit post about it, then he'd probably fantasize about hateraping you to "conquer" the woman who made him feel inferior.

>>2573464
I'd suggest wearing swim-trunks and some kind of swim-shirt/a one-piece under it if you have to be around him. At the core of it, he's a man and he probably likes ogling women even if it also makes him angry because he can't have/be you.

>Hmm. Today I will look up fanart of my IDV mains sucking face.
>Find picrel
We already know what kind of mental illness causes people to become trans, but what in the goddamn is causing kids to see fictional characters like "autistic serial killer guy" and see "OMG POLYROMANTIC TRANSFEMININE ACHILLEAN SOFTBOY WHO'S QUEER PLATONIC WITH MY FICTIONKIN IDENTITY :3333"? Because we need to find the source and kill it fast.

>>2574957
The picrel has to be bait, right? But what else did you expected on tumblr of all places

>>2574960
To be fair, the worst of them left for Twitter when Tumblr banned NSFW images (because of course they're a bunch of gooners). But Christ alive I wish this was bait. Their blog has a bunch of trash like this when it isn't just blatant thirsting.

>>2574825
I don't have proof of anything, but since magatards are an American voter group, and uk feminists are on another continent, I'd think that would be a good enough reason to assume it's not happening. What are UK feminists going to do about a country with 10x the population across an ocean?

>>2574763
This is especially disturbing when I think about the fact I and several of my (now normal, healthy, and in most cases, straight) friends used to all talk about this and agree we wish we were born boys after puberty hit. None of us trooned out and I was probably the only one who was even notably GNC. I'd like to think if I was younger and 13 when all this was happening I still wouldn't troon out because I have never really followed youth fads like my peers did but I'm pretty sure at least one of my friends and many similar girls would have. Isn't it extremely common for girls to wish they were boys once puberty hits and they realize all the downsides to growing up female?

>>2574957
I've always wanted to try IDV because aesthetically it looks really cool, the playerbase like your picrel is what kept me away. This shit is a literal disease that destroys everything in it's path.

>>2574977
Normally I just stick to ignoring the global chat and looking for fanart on Pixiv, but Tumblr still has a lot of good fanartists who prefer the archival system the site offers. But there are either A) A bunch of retards who never got over their 2012 Tumblr phase or B) A bunch of children who heard Tumblr was cool who still post shit like this.

It's hard and nobody understands orz

Went on an outing into the city yesterday and the ugly ass “progress” troon flags painted over what used to just be a rainbow still pisses me off. I don’t feel safe using the restrooms out there anymore. But when I went to the game store the girl at the counter was talking to me about hogwarts legacy unprompted and how good it runs and that made me feel slightly better.

>>2574763
>A young girl goes through puberty and is immediately objectified by the patriarchy.
>She (reasonably) hates it. She internalizes that hate, so she wishes she could change rather than society changing and learning to humanize women and not treat them like objects for sexual gratification.
>Instead of teaching this young girl about feminism, self love and dismantling the patriarchy, troons tell her, "Yes, you were born in the wrong body! If you go on harmful drugs for the rest of your life, then you can 'fix' your deeply flawed (flawed being she is a woman that doesn't like being commodified) body!"
Disgusting. I fucking despise these 'people'.

>>2574825
the only example I'm aware of is Kellie Jay Kean, and she was only ever gender critical not a radfem.

I hate how every bookstore is full of troon propaganda now. I just saw a new bookstore opening near me and i'm upset because I know it's going to be full of troon propaganda like every other bookstore in this shitty town.

Trans Academic "Andrea" Long Chu wrote a book which is literally his sissy force-fem fetish

>Femaleness is a universal existential category defined by the assumption of a desire which is not one’s own. It’s not just that other people are forcing you to do things; it’s that your desire comes from without you, it does not originate within you, but it is assumed as your own. That being the case, the theory of gender that I put forward in the book is that gender is the opposite of a sexuality: your sexual identity is the expression of “your own sexuality”; your gender identity is the expression of someone else’s sexuality. It has to do with what is assumed in the production of desire in the first place. So, being a “woman” – and this is the most traditional second-wave [Catharine] MacKinnon line – is defined as being what a man wants. Now I find that very appealing; it can then be diversified significantly. We don’t have to be talking about women, we can be talking about men, or more specific kinds of gender, like a certain type of trans-femininity. I also describe gender in the book as a coping mechanism, as how you cope with femaleness. Because femaleness in its most pure, unmediated form, is self-abolishing – that is abolishing of the self, not abolishing of femaleness. It’s destructive, self-abnegating. So gender is also an attempt at degrees of defeminisation, “un-femalisation” – so as to make being female survivable. Because otherwise you would just be completely flattened out by the force of the desire of the other. In that sense those quote-unquote men and quote-unquote women, are attempts to reconcile with and to repress femaleness.
>On a granular level, it’s a riposte to Freud, actually. In Three Essays on the Theory of Sexuality, he’s thinking about the libido. Running through those essays, there’s a lot about the “active” and “passive” and how he is uncomfortable with those terms. He sounds like a gender-studies student. Eventually he says, “Well, I guess you could call the libido masculine, but only if you understood masculine as not really to do with men, but to do with the active position.” He’s already aware that there’s something weird about using a gendered term for this thing that he wants to define psychodynamically – in terms of interpersonal relation. The move of my book was to say, no actually that was wrong, or it was half-right. Freud was right that the libido has only one sex, he was just wrong about which sex it was. Which is to say that – to use another Freudian term – I too would assert the universality of the castration complex, but I have the opposite interpretation of it. Which is that it’s not that the little boy is afraid that he is going to be castrated, but he is afraid that he is going to like it.
>It’s long been accepted that there is a difference between the phallus and the penis. The phallus is an ideal category to which the penis strives. The penis itself, in not being a phallus, is a sign of castration. The fact that you have a penis and not a phallus is already a first step towards castration. Even if your penis hasn’t been chopped off yet. I am taking advantage of that discrepancy, as any Lacanian would, but pushing it in the opposite direction.
>Inevitable, the question is not whether or not you will have it, the question is, what it will mean that you don’t have it. The trick of patriarchy – and this is very much a Solanasian idea – is to convince everyone that not having the phallus is a bad thing, when in fact it is the thing that everyone desires the most: the relief of no longer having to hold yourself to phallic idealisation
>One would be a different relation to TERFs. I’m willing to get cosy with them, in a way that I like to imagine is uncomfortable to them, but it is also uncomfortable for other trans people. I am willing to say – what actually leads Sheila Jeffreys or Janice Raymond to say the things they say? Rather than ignoring that stuff because I find it offensive or transphobic, which I do, I try and engage with that tradition, though it’s sad to call it a tradition. This is because I believe that the best way to develop a strong defence against those ideas is to deflate and dismantle their arguments, and that means getting very close to them. You know, I occasionally get called a TERF on Twitter or see myself referred to as kind of TERF-y. And I understand why people say that. I get the discomfort with my approach. But that feature would certainly be one component. Second is a shift to desire. This is arguably a return to desire – in the sense that in early sexology, those first medical conceptions of “transsexuality” or “transvestitism” under people like Magnus Hirschfeld and the Institute for Sexual Science, transness was understood as a sexual phenomenon. Transsexuality is a sexuality. That was an old sexological idea. And that necessarily fell away in the course of trans people trying to define themselves outside of a medicalised system, and trans people seeking legal protections. For this, it was necessary to cut sexuality out of the equation. In that sense, bringing sexuality back would be a characteristic of a second wave of trans studies. And I acknowledge that there is a sort of dialectical nature to it. Indeed, one could not have started where I started. You need the first wave in order to have a second wave. But the reintroduction of sexuality into transness is really essential. It’s what the ignorant Christian people that I grew up around would have thought – that I was a form of sexual perversion, not gender perversion, specifically sexual perversion. So I take some pleasure in at last agreeing with them. 

https://magazine.tank.tv/issue-81/talks/andrea-long-chu

>>2575343
Moids have 0 theory of mind. If being a woman is “being wanted”, what does that say about men? Are men men because they are wanted by women? No, because women according to his definition, women do not have an internally motivated sense of attraction.
Therefore men are only men if they want women, if they become an usurper of a female’s sexuality, which she has no option but to acquiesce to (because she’s a woman, and this is his definition of woman). Ironically, this is exactly what troons do and what makes them so obviously male. Not only in their sexual targets, but how they view their own sexualities.
It’s such a heterosexual male interpretation of reality projected onto the whole of society. In which females are always “desired”, in which males who want to be desired become women, lesser, objects with no will, and exist only to be acted upon.
A heterosexual couple that mutually desire one another must become female and male simultaneously - what you would logically conclude if you weren’t a mentally stunted moid who was incapable of decoupling femaleness/“femininity” with “object of desire”.

This philosophy makes no sense when you account for hetero women (and homosexual men) having separate targets of desire (males). Or even lesbians, who cannot participate in this dynamic since there is no male perspective involved and the whole system fails to launch.

I can’t believe leftists/liberals just let a bunch of moids essentially blather on about their chimp-like sexualities and accept it as progressive because they use college-educated words to explain it. Actually I can, most men are like this and enough are on the left.

>>2575343
Troons cannot explain women who actively desire moids. 1 fucking fujoshi is enough to throw a wrench into this entire operation.
How does this troon explain a female being lustful of her own volition? How does this troon explain how her object of desire is unmistakably and deliberately male?
This whole fixation on power dynamics and hierarchies is so inextricably male. It’s so ironic that these are the moids who claim to be women. They are the most manly male brained men who ever maled at maletown.

>>2575370
I've even seen a few tims claim that any attraction to any kind of non "queer" man is a result of the patriarchy. they don't "hate" men for the reasons women hate men, they hate men because they're jealous of them, jealous that women are attracted to them or that those men could beat them up and so their "misandry" is just incel jealousy. take for example these losers, a riotgrrl tranny punk band who made an entire song about hating boy bands, which is peak incel male feminist.

>>2575343
nta but the fact that andrea long chu still somehow gets shilled and allowed to write pieces for major corporations is proof that gender ideology is just a men's rights movement. when's the last time a tif 'academic' reached anywhere near the same level of fame as andrea? how many famous tif writers and public figures can you name? how about any tifs in public office like sarah mcbride? it's all about men at the end of the day.

>>2575665
nonnie you should post this in the punk cringe thread too kekkk

>>2575694
trans men always get famous as sea horse dads, it's so transparent

>>2575343
I've posted similar quotes from this moid's interviews before and I don't get why he is paraded around as a trans activist when every single thing he says proves GC women correct about troons. And yet somehow no one seems to notice that the academic spokespeople for troon ideology are just misogynistic moids with raging unhinged fetishes who can't even imagine that women are people. This guy has been getting media attention for 10+ years and no matter how many unhinged interviews he gives, no matter how many unhinged book quotes get spread around, people still act like this is deep and insightful academic work and not pornbrained sexist drivel.

fuck it i need to get this out of my system. thought i should make more trans-inclusive art what do you guys think

>>2575758
Love it nonna, I know both these women and you really did their beauty justice.

>>2575758
kek its fine art

Its always the most sexually dimorphic people trying to insist theyre actually the opposite sex. Why do i never see 5'5 guys trooning out? Or lanky girls becoming tifs? Ive (thank god) only encountered a few tims IRL but they were all around 6 foot tall. Id really like to know the psychological reasoning behind this

>>2575816
Because gender dysphoric people who are less dimorphic don't suffer as much. Like a woman who naturally is more butch can simply lean into that with a haircut instead of mutilating herself and vice versa.

>>2575816
Purely anecdotal but my TIM brother is about 6’4 and thinks he passes. I remember reading theories about tall, lanky phenotypes being over represented in autistic populations so that probably has something to do with it as well.
I filled out picrel for my brother I hope some nonny enjoys it

>>2575665
All troonism is just a very honest portrayal of chimp moid sexuality.
Women are objects to be had, other moids are your competition/enemies. That’s the gist of it. Then you mix it all up with a bunch of flowery language and start falsely applying this framework to everyone else- now it’s “queer theory”.

>>2575816
idk i've seen both types of people you described troon out

>>2575838
>bro is a tranny and a furry
I’m so sorry nona I hope your parents don’t coddle him.

>>2575816
Kek, come to think of it the two TIMs I've met irl were both VERY masculine-looking in different ways. One was like 6"3 and naturally built like a linebacker, and the other was a manlet but looked like a chunky cube with a Chad jaw.

>>2575843
Theres a really low amount of trans people where I live (red state) so its just my experience. I think i see maybe 5 or so a year lol

>>2575816
All of the TIFs I've met irl have been under 5'4. There was one I played Animal Crossing with who was around 5'1 with giant hips and on T. I kept wondering what the point was since she would never pass.

>>2575007
That flag really does represent the troon movement perfectly, just not in the way they intended.

>>2575905
>playing Animal Crossing
So troons change their gender because they don't "feel" like the sex they biologically are, but they make no effort to follow their own logic and integrate with the gender they actually want. If only men in dresses actually acted like women by not committing so much sex-related crimes and routine harassment of women via death threats. If only Aidens actually acted like moids by going outside and playing dumbass football instead of sitting on Ao3 and fucking up the yaoi tags with cuntboy fuckery.

>>2575952
if you point this out then they will suddenly play the GNC card even though they are the antithesis of GNC

>>2575816
Holy shit why is this so true. All the troons I met were over 6ft for TIMs and under 5'3 for TIFs

I’m in a discord server for a stereotypically feminine interest and there’s this one TIM who keeps trying wayy too hard to relate to the women in it. But like a third of the women are TIFs so every time he posts something along the lines of “oh em gee just girly things amirite fellow gurlz??” all the TIFs come down hard on him saying that “boys like X interest too!” and he slinks off. It’s hilarious.

>>2575956
Everyone I know who was actually gnc as a child either never identified as trans or only very briefly dipped their toes in and quickly desisted. At the same time, the TIFs I knew as children all claim they knew they were boys on the inside from age 2, but were in fact very gender conforming girls who wanted to be Disney princesses and only liked cute pink Pokémon. Reading their historical revisionism of their own childhood is wild. “I never played with other girls, I only ever roughhoused with the boys!” Ma’am you had a Disney princess birthday party every year for five years in a row and tried to disinvite me after the first one because my party dress wasn’t sufficiently frilly enough. “I’ve never been girly” my ass.

I think being actually gnc requires a resilience and sense of personal identity that TIFs lack. Instead they just go along with what their friends are doing and do whatever they think will improve their standing in the group and get them positive attention. When they were 6 this meant having the frilliest princess party dress, and now that they’re in their late 20’s and early 30’s with all-gendie friend groups it means being the mascest brodudeking with the most heckin’ pubebeard and the gnarliest mastectomy scars.

>>2574812
cough birth control pills cough

>>2576159
they would be off those by the time they were pregnant? how long do you think those stay in the system

>>2576175
nta but they can affect the system for a long time even if they don't literally 'stay in your system' since they change your entire hormonal balance. It can take years to get your periods back after stopping a course of bc, and in some cases they will never go back to normal. If you recognize that TIMs taking birth control hormones permanently change their bodies, not sure why you think it would not potentially cause permanent or long-term changes for women.

>>2576088
>I think being actually gnc requires a resilience and sense of personal identity that TIFs lack.
I agree and most of the TIFs I knew since childhood were always stereotypically feminine girls too, but more than that, were wallflowers with a pack mentality who did everything their friends did. Not one of the girls I know from my youth who trooned out was any kind of individualist.

>>2576242
are you seriously comparing a man taking estrogen to a woman taking it? of course it fucks up men's bodies, they're not supposed to have that much, in women it just mimics one point of the fertility cycle.

What I don't get about troons - especially tifs - is how they want to be a TROO AND HONEST woman/man and talk about how it's totally impossible to know if someone is a tranny or not, but they will plaster the tranny flag everywhere to announce they're trans. They have a giant flag in their home, they have it on pins, patches, shirts and earrings. They shamelessly give themselves away all the time.
I know we all know they actually don't want to be the opposite gender and their movement is based on the ever growing pile of contradictions, but it annoys me that they claim that all they want is to be the opposite gender and try to convince everyone that they are indistinguishable from the gender they choose to identify as while they at the same time shout from the rooftops that they're trans. It's all about the trans identity itself, to access spaces they don't belong to, not their claimed end goal.

>>2576276
Most of the hormones in bc (the progestins specifically) are synthetic and typically derived from androgens. The pill is not 'estrogen only' and yes it does mess with the woman's body and natural cycle. Does it mess with women as much as it probably messes with men? No, but the idea that it wouldn't have long-lasting effects to put synthetic hormones in your body as a woman because they 'flush out' or something is silly because you can see that moids do have long term effects from taking synthetic hormones. Of course women do too.

>>2576314
Yeah I've only known one troon who tried to be stealth and it was an HSTS moid. I've never seen a group of people so invested in wearing literal tags on the clothing telling people their identity kek.

>>2575956
>>2576088
Facts, I have never met a TIF into guns or hunting or sports. Or computing, modding, speed-running, etc the way TIMs are. All of the TIFs I knew were really into fandom and fanfiction or Steven Universe Hazbin Hotel shit.
>resilience and sense of personal identity that TIFs lack
I actually think they are more feminine on average compared to normal women because of this. Beyond hobbies TIFs are very thin-skinned, sensitive to social discourse, focus internally on feelings, etc. Compare how TIMs scream about "girldick" and constant gross fetish shit, barge into female-dominated spaces, and try to manipulate lesbians into sex (without seemingly caring about how the woman feels) vs how TIFs whine about not feeling desired and cry over gay men being rude to them.

>>2575853
Thanks nonna, it helps I can complain about him on here. At least it makes the bar for being the preferred child abysmally low

>>2575343
>>2575370
there is actually a whole subreddit shared by incel and incel transbians who also claim that women can't possibly be attracted to men, these moids spend their entire lives as ugly degenerates and think it's part of the human condition

>>2576525
If at first you don't succeed… >>2575464

>>2574812
>>2576159
The "women shouldn't eat/drink/use medicine/breathe because it hurts da babies" posting is gonna make me become the type of pregnant mom who drinks vodka.

>moid wants to date lesbians
>comments are tims hinting at trooning out
And handmaidens will still pressure lesbians to treat them as genuine women

>>2576553
Butch mtfs don't exist afaik. The obvious larping is part of how others realize "this is a male to female transgender and they want me to treat them and act is they are a woman". Without this, they would just be perceived as gnc males and we can't have that!

>>2576567
I have been told by tras that 'butch' TIMs exist. And I'm just like "what even is the point? Why do I have to pretend a gender conforming man is a GNC woman."

I'm the anon who couldn't turn down swimming with a bald troon, good news!!! The weather forecast is predicting absolute shit weather so they're gonna cancel the beach trip! Mother earth is on my side after all

>>2576567
Oh I WISH butch transbians didn't exist… there is one I keep running into and he's so freaky.

The weirdest thing about tifs on T is that they all sound exactly the same. People who had unique voices before T now sound like every other tif. Like the tone and pitch of their frog voice is all the same there’s no distinguishing features. It’s so strange

>>2576618
I think it's like how smokers all sound the same too, the damage is the same so the result is similar

>>2576615
What the fuck even is that? Like a troon trying to skinwalk Ellen DeGeneres or what?

>>2576567
>>2576611
Oh, they exist… there were quite a few posted in the mtf threads on /snow/. They're hideous and somehow lower effort than the fag sissification fetish troons who pretend all women dress like whores.
>>2576644
It's a man who basically keeps dressing mannish and "masc" but will accessorize with long hair and "femme" things like jewelry or collars (yuck). They want to look like "butch lesbians" in an attempt to draw in "femmes".
>>2576540
I support you and your little FAS darling. Bottoms up!
Actually, if you drink enough vodka, would it end up killing the baby or only deform it? I'm really interested in future studies comparing the effects of hrt on fetuses vs the effects of alcohol. The theory that it affects the future child's egg/sperm rather than the child itself is really interesting to me.

>>2576753
Too much drinking causes fetal alcohol disease and makes your baby a braindead retard. I would not be in the slightest bit surprised if taking cross sex hormones while pregnant fucks up the fetus.

>>2576540
I think those anons were saying that it's not good to overly restrict what pregnant mothers are allowed to do, because it becomes a slippery slope. At least that's how I interpreted it. I do think it's a travesty that TIFs taking testosterone are getting pregnant because they're probably fucking up their children's and grandchildren's lives, but I also wouldn't want to introduce laws or more social shaming to control pregnant women's behavior more. That can eventually be used to prosecute women legally for just breathing wrong while pregnant so I think it's better to go to the source and try to get medical transition banned rather than ban pregnant women taking certain hormones or substances or eating certain things. If doctors weren't handing out T like candy to vulnerable women and girls, this wouldn't be an issue in the first place.

>>2576553
This is all just cope because lesbians will never date or be attracted to TIMs either. It's just going to be the same 'lame' bi girls the moid was capable of dating before, except worse because bi women are far more likely to date a normal man than a TIM, and lesbian-larping straight women.

>>2576618
Kek I once talked a friend (who is a singer) out of trooning out by asking her if she would be fine losing her voice. She was like 'oh wait I never thought of that, that would really bother me.' She would have sounded really stupid too because she had an extremely high-pitched soft cute squeaky voice, which would have sounded hilarious as a frog voice, like a teenage moid who inhaled helium.

>>2576753
>The theory that it affects the future child's egg/sperm rather than the child itself is really interesting to me.
It would almost certainly do both. Having high testosterone levels while pregnant probably causes developmental issues for the child itself, but is also likely to affect their eggs.

>>2576753
>The theory that it affects the future child's egg/sperm rather than the child itself is really interesting to me.
This, or rather the fact that it affects both the fetus and the fetus’ germline, is true for anything that seriously affects the developing fetus, especially something like smoking. If your grandmother (and especially your maternal grandmother) smoked or inhaled a lot of secondhand smoke during her pregnancy with your parent, that’s now part of your DNA.

>>2576822
>That can eventually be used to prosecute women legally for just breathing wrong while pregnant so I think it's better to go to the source and try to get medical transition banned
Agreed. Woman-hating pronatalist nutters are already throwing women in jail for “endangering their baby” even when it turns out the woman’s not even pregnant, and this is not something feminist should encourage. What we can do is advocate for the banning of universally harmful shit like cross-sex hormones and especially pharmacy-aided testosterone-poisoning of women and girls, smoking, microplastics etc. These things fuck up men and their germlines too, so it makes no sense to only police women.

>>2577051
>throwing women in jail for “endangering their baby” even when it turns out the woman’s not even pregnant
Wait what, OT I know but do you have a link? Not that this would especially surprise me but I never heard of that.

I'm generally libertarian when it comes to what people can decide to do to their bodies (smoking, drinking, risky behavior like extreme sports, choosing not to wear seatbelts in cars etc) but I think there's a strong precedent for stopping things at the source when it comes to prescription drugs/medications being prescribed that don't even treat a real medical issue, same with unnecessary surgeries. There is no reason why doctors who swore the Hippocratic oath and are paid - in many cases, public money or insurance money that other people pay into - to help treat/prevent illnesses should be pressured (or, honestly, even allowed, but especially pressured which is what current medical association "best practices" do) to prescribe people dangerous/controlled medications just for shits and giggles, which is really what prescribing cross-sex hormones is. If people want to go through back channels to procure roids, T, whatever, that's their risk to take, but a woman waltzing into a doctor's office and saying 'I want to look like a man so give me testosterone' and then getting it because she might feel sad if she doesn't get it is horrible medical practice and I hope all these medical associations, WPATH etc. get sued for billions for it soon.

I can't just walk into a doctor's office and ask for codeine (even if I really am experiencing actual severe pain!) and just get it handed to me, because it has a risk of addiction which doctors have deemed generally more risky than crippling pain. If I had severe painful cystic acne and wanted to get Accutane I'd have to do multiple pregnancy tests in a lab first to prove that I'm not pregnant, go on two forms of birth control and sign waivers explaining that I know if I get pregnant the baby will likely have birth defects and a doctor would encourage me to get an abortion if I somehow got pregnant on Accutane. But I can walk into a doctor's office one time and get a prescription for testosterone a week later because 'I don't like how I look and my body is distressing me' or 'I like blue and cars and I don't like skirts' and they wouldn't even warn me about risks to potential babies, let alone make me go through a bunch of tests to prove I'm not pregnant and put me on multiple forms of birth control. And it's not even treating any health issues or preventing them. What makes things worse like an anon said above is that Tgel transfers to other people via touch, so women who take it aren't just endangering themselves and their offspring and their offspring's offspring, they are also endangering random people in public who touch the same door knob as them or sit on the same bus seat or brush against them in the street, and especially people they see and touch regularly. They could be giving random women around them PCOS or other hormonal conditions without that person ever knowing or suspecting anything. The fact that doctors are allowed to be insanely irresponsible with this one class of drugs and surgeries that aren't even a treatment for anything and with the people who take them rarely being informed of the true risks, and will go so far as to guilt trip or even legally override parents who want to block their children from getting them, is truly insanity.

I know it's common for GC women and radfems to say 'I wouldn't want to make transition illegal' or 'do what you want once you're an adult' but even that makes no sense to me. Sure if some troon gets bathtub estrogen or T through some dubiously legal websites they shouldn't be punished or prosecuted for taking the drugs, but in no way should the medical industry be complicit in harming people like this, especially when it can affect other unsuspecting people who haven't consented. There has been a slow creep over the last half-century of pharma companies and medical associations pushing more and more 'medicine' that isn't for the purpose of treating or preventing any actual illnesses and I think we should all as a society stop taking this for granted and considering it normal. Yes I also believe this about non-corrective cosmetic plastic surgery but I know that might be a hot take on lolcow. At least with PS they're only hurting themselves and they usually (unless they're troons) have to pay out-of-pocket for it though.

they were interviewing a tif in a paper i read (about some imaginary victim shit) and they showed her bedroon.
it's alost scary how identical they all are. how the fuck are they all so similar? are they fucking pod people?

>>2577193
Lol the thumbnail was too small to see clearly but after reading your post I was like 'is there a wall full of stuffed animals/pokemon plushies' and then enlarged the photo and yes there was.

>>2577193
Are those penis shaped string lights

>>2577193
What the hell is this, imagine having the need to decorate your room with ugly shit just to make a statement to who the fuck knows about your perceived sexuality. Imagine being so unstable and unsure of yourself that you have the need to be surrounded by literal garbage just to be constantly reminded of your fake ass identity

>>2577209
It's because troon identity is inherently fragile. They do the same with their clothes, plastering trans and pronoun pins all over everything or wearing programmer socks or having gender hair or other obvious identity tells. They're too insecure in their own tenuous fake identity to just exist like a normal person wearing things and decorating their room with things they aesthetically like or find practical, their entire sense of self relies on constant reassurance and validation, and they even have to remind themselves. Back in the day I used to see tons of posts on r/MtF from moids having panic attacks because they were still men in their dreams or 'accidentally misgendered themselves' in their inner monologue kek. They would post about how they had to do affirmations in the mirror or whatever to recover from their own invalidating thought crimes.

>>2577214
>they had to do affirmations in the mirror or whatever to recover from their own invalidating thought crimes.
Lmaooo what

>>2577220
Like you know when self-help books tell you to look in the mirror and say 'you're beautiful' to yourself 10x in a row but instead it was them telling themselves 'you are a woman' or something like that. To try to brainwash themselves to stop mentally misgendering themselves kek. I had a collection of screenshots of these posts on my old hard drive but sadly it crashed and couldn't be recovered, but I used to screenshot those posts to peak my friends about how troons don't even see themselves as the sex they claim to be.

>>2577193
>>2577223
>>2577224
is there a thread specifically for shitting on trans attempts at decorating or consumerism bc I would love it

Removing an explicit book from the children's section of the library is not the same as banning a book from publication. Teaching children that they have a internal gender soul is religion being taught in schools.

The "read banned books" crowd only endorses reading cutesy books about gender or being gay. Reading banned books isn't cool when it's Irreversible Damage or Mein Kampf or The Turner Diaries or anything actually socially controversial. Most progressives who go on about banned books have the exact opposite core viewpoint and want to ban and censor anything they dislike.

>>2577193
It's a cute bedroom from the layout I see, but the decor is wild. How many pride flags do you need? And the tranny flag is always the largest (and always unironed)
They have no personality outside of twt and tiktok

>>2577266
Back when i was building my pc I would go through the new completed builds on PCpartpicker and be able to clock the trannies from their PCs even kek

I’ve become acquainted with a young TiF recently and it’s threatening to drive me mad. I know part of the problem is that she reminds me very much of myself at her age, she’s just unfortunate enough to have grown up ten years later than me in the midst of the worst of TRA rhetoric. If we didn’t live in clown world I’m certain she’d just be a happy butch lesbian but because we live in hell she got groomed by another TiF and started taking testosterone at fucking 18 (!!!!) and now her life is on the most difficult possible trajectory. Her family is horrible (genuinely, not just “they don’t use my pronouns” horrible), most of her friends are other trannies, and she seems so invested in having any sort of supportive community that I don’t think there’s anything I can do. I just try to exist around her as a woman who doesn’t necessarily fit the mold of what it is to be a woman according to cultural stereotypes but truthfully I think I’m a little too gender-conforming in appearance and straight enough that it won’t matter. kek tbh I’ve made an effort to start dressing a little more masc around her in some pathetic attempt to show her you can be a woman and still dress however you want. Part of me hopes that the more common interests she realizes we both share she’ll start to understand that there’s no such thing as “boy movies” or “girl books” but I don’t think that will be enough, truthfully. I don’t think we are close enough to have a serious talk about this shit, she’s just my friend’s roommate who I see occasionally and I am certain she would write me off entirely if I ever came across in any way gender critical or TERFy.

idk nonnas, I know I can’t save her from the gender grinder but it’s so demoralizing seeing it happen to such a bright, talented, interesting young woman. I’m just sad. Fuck this gay earth and what it’s doing to women.

>>2577517
You wouldn't care about her if she wasn't feminine and white. Poor thing is surrended by a narc bitch wirh saviour complex, it probably only feels justified in it's transition

I realized something today: the parents of "trans kids" are engaging in a real-life version of the Milgram Experiment. If you're unfamiliar, the Milgram Experiment is meant to test subservience to authority. Basically, the test subject is ordered by a seemingly authoritative figure to deliver increasingly high electric shocks to someone they don't realize is an actor who isn't actually being shocked. The experiment found that the majority of participants would listen to orders even as the voltage increased to lethal amounts and the actors screamed in (what appeared to be) pain. What it basically demonstrated is that the average normie is shockingly willing to listen to authority figures (in this case, scientists) even if it can be plainly observed that the orders are harmful or unethical.

I see a similar level of deference to "scientific authority" with non-MBP parents of "trans kids." They give their gay and/or autistic kids drugs that damage their bones and lower their IQs because ill-informed or ideologically captured doctors tell them to, persisting with the treatment even when it does not produce an appreciable improvement in mental health for their child. Scientist Man told them, you see, so it must be Moral and Safe. They don't account for the possibility of activist influence, publication bias, or how profitable lifelong captive customers are for pharma companies. Look, I generally trust medical science, but it's not perfect, especially when it comes to psychiatric medicine. There used to be "scientific consensus" that lobotomy was safe and ethical, too. If you're a parent who constantly gets fed emotional blackmail by medical professionals who should know better, you're probably convinced that whatever harm you're doing to your kid is "okay" so long as it "prevents" suicide (even though there's no evidence it actually does).

My advice to anons is to trust your own judgement and not to blindly follow those presented as "authorities," although I doubt anyone here needs to be told that. You don't become GC or a radfem if you're the type of person who blindly obeys.

>>2577879
nta, what an odd projection for you to make

Sage for a 7 year old post, but do they really think women have no culture? I wish I could say I highly doubt any real woman told him women have no culture, but there’s plenty of handmaidens that have no knowledge about women’s history.

It just goes to show how shallow troon’s understandings of womanhood are.

>>2577346
>Reading banned books isn't cool when it's Irreversible Damage or Mein Kampf
I've only heard it in passing and I literally thought it was people saying they read mein kampf and similar lmao
But yeah if reading banned books is cool and you recognize books get unfairly banned based on false notions; then also read the books your trans friends burn and ban.

>>2577266
>thread specifically for shitting on trans attempts at decorating or consumerism
Omg please make one, it would be so fun! I personally think it's very symbolic how troons use their flag to mark their territory on everything possible, yet they treat the actual flag with so little care they don't even iron it. They're insisting it's perfect, refusing to admit or work on the flaws even when they're obvious and the fix is easy. It's so on the nose!

>>2577902
They are inching closer and closer to a delusional alternate reality where the phrase "women don't even exist" will be taken for fact.

>>2577266
I don't think so but you should try to make one, nonna. There's so much good material out there since they have such a specific and conformist way of consooming and decorating. TIMs always seem to have dirty hoarder goon caves full of plastic anime crap while TIFs always have the wall of plushies, cutesy cactus/bug/dinosaur related art and tons of flags/affirmation posters. Both TIFs and TIMs seem to lack proper furniture and spend their money on figurines and plushies and comic books instead.

>>2577346
Yeah it's extremely ironic that they actually try to get speech banned or introduce compelled speech laws, attempt to attack/boycott popular appropriate books and games like Harry Potter, but then whine about books being banned when it's just taking pornographic grooming materials out of elementary and middle school libraries. Those books can still be bought and read, and if they want to indoctrinate their own children into gender theory they're still allowed, but they want to forcibly expose everyone else's children too, on the taxpayer's dime no less.

In Canada recently there was a controversy because most pre-2008 books were taken out of school libraries in one of the provinces, including a lot of classic lit and old children's favorites to modernize and update the collection, and liberals were all for that, mocking the parents who were against removing classic lit from school libraries. They were also all for firing tenured profs and censoring their research into gender medicine if it didn't toe the party line. But the second it's some graphic illustrated sex guide it's literal book burning nazi censorship! If TRAs didn't have double standards they wouldn't have any standards at all.

>>2577346
Take what I am about to say with a grain of salt, but I once heard many banned books aren’t even “banned” but just had a challenge made against them. I could go to my local school board tomorrow and challenge the appropriateness of the Very Hungry Caterpillar which would then count as a banned book. Also a fun fact is that Sarah Maas’s A Court of Mist and Fury is one of the most banned books by this metric in recent years kek. This crowd thinks they’re so edgy when it couldn’t be further from the truth.

could hrt at puberty for a woman make her grow above 5'3"? what the fuck are they talking about, surely not, right

>>2578015
Ok so… they are against puberty blockers now?

also here's some more detrans whinging. i see so much talk of 'detransitioners' now that it makes me think the trans movement is starting to collapse internally. which is based

>>2578015
"The correct puberty" is the one they go through without any medical intervention. Also, exogenous testosterone and estrogen do not affect a person's height regardless of when they take them. Nikkitutorials trooned out as a kid and he still ended up a gigantic ogre.

Sometimes you can clock a troon by name alone, and it's really funny to see them mald about it. They never pick age appropriate names, nothing that parents would actually give their daughter in the year 19XX or whenever they were born. It's always shit like Artemis, Luna, or Yuki.

just discovered whipping girl. does anyone know more about the author?

>>2578015
HRT, like artificial testosterone for a woman will not make them grow. Human growth hormone has been known to make children taller. But honestly, if your child is perfectly healthy, I would highly advise against HGH from the adverse side effects alone. Better to be a healthy shortie than some cancerous, diabetic, heart disease ridden beanpole.
The best way for a child to grow taller without adverse side effects is adequate exercise, good, high protein diet, and proper sleep.
As someone who used to have a special interest in bodybuilding and studied all these performance enhancing drugs before the troon shit, I think it's fucking insane that doctors are giving women this shit.
They know it's bad, that's why they aren't giving it to scrawny incel moids.

>>2577193
I can't help but kek at the penis lights above what's probably her booktok erotica shrine

>>2578053
who even cares this much about this person and is telling him all this? it reads like arguments he's having in his head with nobody kekk. i like how they admit that theyre literally opting into "misogyny" (its not misogyny, people think youre gross and weird going out dressed like a sissy crossdressing fetishist which has never happened to a female ever)

>>2577193
Can someone explain to me the lore between TIFs and Arcane? I hardly know what Arcane is. Is that like, a League of Legends show or some shit?

>>2578053
>saying big boobs hurt is offensive
kek only tims could come up with this, how dare you trample on their dreams of being a bimbo sex doll

>>2578091
from my experience, tifs love to see vi (hot butch lesbian/bisexual woman) as a tif. this runs the gamut from using he/him to full-on drawing her as the traditional male body with zippertit tattoos.

>>2577193
>how the fuck are they all so similar? are they fucking pod people?
they all come from the same places and have the same influences. once you've seen enough tifs you will form the useless, magical power of predicting their pronouns and egg crack event or whatever based purely on their pfp.

>>2578091
I don't watch it but iirc it has some canon gay stuff in it, which always draws troons like flies to shit. The same thing happened with Steven Universe and Homestuck.

>>2578091
Jayce and Viktor is a very popular gay ship from that series and TIFs are absolutely obsessed with making Viktor a TIF because he's shorter and lanky and disabled.

>>2578053
Whipping "Girl" is basically just a cook where Serano outlines how much of a stereotypical AGP he is. If you can stomach it, just pirate it and skim through. It reads exactly like all of the other solipsistic tripe troons post online.

>>2577965
>In Canada recently there was a controversy because most pre-2008 books were taken out of school libraries in one of the provinces
Kek what??? Who on that schoolboard decided that literary history began with the Great Recession? What the hell is going on in Canada lmao

>>2575838
Christ I'm glad my brother is just an alcoholic

>>2575816
AGPs and AAPs are hyper-heterosexual, thats why they love lesbian and gay porn respectively. They're disgusted by members of their own sex, therefore they think they need to troon out to feel good about themselves. It tracks that the sexual dimorphism between these hyper-heterosexuals would be even more dramatic than the general population, with the males being over 6' with premature balding, and the females being plump, moonfaced, and under 5'5". I also think that these are straight people who have such narrow ideas of their own sex that they think even the smallest deviation makes them "not good enough," which is how you end up with so many former military men and oldest sisters trooning out. If they can't be Chad Thundercock or a Stepford Wife, they might as well give up and try larping as the opposite sex.

>>2576242
>It can take years to get your periods back after stopping a course of bc, and in some cases they will never go back to normal
This depends on the type of birth control