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This thread is to discuss your grievances with gender ideology.
>What is gender ideology? Foundational to transgenderism, gender ideology is the belief that one’s “internal gender” can contradict one’s biological sex.
Gender ideology operates much like a religious cult. There is no scientific evidence that supports the notion that we have an “internal gender,” and yet doctors now medicalize and sterilize children with “transgender identities” who have been groomed by the cult. Anyone who does not reaffirm these delusions is labelled as a “transphobe” in order to discredit any dissenting voices of the cult.
Previous threads:
>>>/ot/2490064>>>/ot/2473199>>>/ot/2444792>>>/ot/2373578>>>/ot/2351915>>>/ot/2290853>>>/ot/2252408>>>/ot/2191693>>>/ot/2121106>>>/ot/2097274>>>/ot/2037097>>>/ot/1991983>>>/ot/1941872>>>/ot/2405643Relevant threads:
MtF/Trans-Identified Male General
>>>/snow/2110309FtM / fakeboi / TIF general
>>>/snow/2100119Peak trans
https://lolcow.farm/2X/res/21342.html#21342Ovarit Archives
https://lolcow.farm/2X/res/38865.html#38865Resources:
Peak trans stories from banned Gender Critical subreddit:
https://www.saidit.net/s/GenderCritical/comments/54yt/gcs_peak_trans_archived/ Peak trans stories from Ovarit:
https://pixeldrain.com/l/JTwRJCYR “Listen to trans people” series:
https://x.com/marycatedelvey/status/1897370783816790064 “You told me you were different” TIM on TIF violence anthology:
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>>2506783Awe man this image would have been better
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>>2506651Not sure if I agree it's biologically programmed into men to be this clueless about fashion, I know straight non-troon men who understand fashion terms like this perfectly fine and have a relatively good grasp of aesthetics. Troons always seem much worse than regular men at understanding fashion at all, and women's fashion specifically. I have at least a couple male friends or exes I would trust to pick an event outfit for me and not embarrass me if I told them 'I want it to be sort of gothy but still classy' or 'I'm going for a cottagecore vibe' or something but there are zero troons in the world I would ever trust to do that.
>>2506655These men would not even survive one day with endometriosis periods, they would kill themselves instantly. The only reason they say this is because they think women in pain are exaggerating and they're tougher than us (despite copious research suggesting female pain tolerance is significantly higher). Sorry for breaking the unspoken rule to start a new discussion but moids saying this makes me so mad.
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>>2506802i am too lazy to poke around there. i found an image comp on tumblr that was pretty good (
https://agathasajax.tumblr.com/post/189540010858/but-no-one-is-saying-lesbians-have-to-datehave) but i miss how in your face the google (?) one was
No. 2506834
>>2506824>deserves to die painfully????
what the fuck is wrong with these people. not a single person on this earth is entitled to sex.
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what the fuck kek
No. 2506869
>>2506824I know the entire gender ideology movement is built on homophobia, but it still somehow amazes me just
how hateful these rapey bastards are.
No. 2506873
>>2506835i like how they underline every line where she semi-agrees with tifs' youth problems growing up (which no intelligent
terf will deny) but not where they differ. talk about cherry-picking. is she a mouth-frothing
terf or is she a tif in denial?
No. 2506907
>>2506891I agree, women are socialized to “act” like feminine their entire lives, a man acts like his male peers his entire life, one day of him waking up and “
feeling” feminine because of his porn addiction will never amount to someone who has been a woman their entire life
No. 2506908
>>2506901Emotionality is another bad example, there's no evidence women are more emotional than men. The people that say this can't even define what 'being emotional' even means.
>>2506903Having better color vision can't really be extrapolated to 'attention to detail' generally though assuming that finding is true/replicable. It definitely isn't an explanation for why moids have no understanding at all of fashion since having a good style doesn't hinge on being able to differentiate between two near-identical shades of chartreuse, it hinges on understanding the social norms of dress, proportion relative to body type, what colors and styles generally go together and how to bend/break those 'rules' and still have it look intentional, etc. I don't think I've ever in my life looked an outfit and thought 'this is a bad outfit but it would have been good if her shirt was one shade warmer.'
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>>2506824This "99%" statistic is painfully inaccurate. Most lesbians have sex with their fingers and have sex orally. Strap is common but remember, there's always someone topping too. So statistically, the amount of lesbians who take strap is probably very small. Plus alot of lesbians use strap-ons aren't even phallic. So the amount of lesbians who bottom by taking phallic strap-ons is probably much smaller compared to everything else. Strap-ons can definitely be common, it can actually vary a lot depending on your culture. However, this downie is probably a porn addict so he wouldn't know. Vibrators are also more common than dildos! Even with studies that use "self-identified" gays (can be tricky if you don't have a way of measuring their homosexuality, can include people who switch sexualities every other week, etc etc.) Strap-ons aren't as common as oral sex or clitoral stimulation.
(Survey in photo also includes bisexual women.)
No. 2506951
I don't know what I hate the most: The story (A woman had to show her bare chest because she had double masectomy) or this TIM reading that.
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Bleak
No. 2507061
>>2507026They are repeating what TERFs have been saying about trannies for years word for word. Trannies always do this, there's not a single argument or narrative that they haven't stolen from another community.
>it was listening to them that opened my eyes>they actually hate themselves>internalized misogyny/sexism>they constantly contradict themselves>it's a cult, it's difficult to escape the cultCan't they pick something that makes a tiny bit of sense at least? Or are we going to pretend that the entire world besides North America and a few other Western countries are part of the "cult"?
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A mutual of mine posted this and I eyerolled so hard I could see my brain. The one nonna who said that men can enjoy their hobbies without people screaming HP BAD was hilariously right. Women can't have anything. Nothing. They won't say shit like 'women matter more than Neil Gaiman!' And shame you for watching Sandman Season 2. The double standards.
The comments are all 'red flag if you're gay and like HP' and that they avoid dating profiles with HP in it. So - advice for lesbians. Put your HP house in your bio clearly cuz it keeps the loonies away.
Also - anyone got some good TERF or suffergette stickers they like?
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>>2507071I'm so tried of seeing the Harry Potter bashing, the Hollywood is full of horrible people yet you don't see any campaign against watching films made by people with tons of allegations. And I was never even into Harry Potter, I might be petty and watch the new TV show once I comes out kek
After peaking it's so hard not to see that they just really badly want to be oppressed, center of the atenttion and special
No. 2507087
>>2506635>medically transition>cottagecore punkhow is this related? is he going to ask for a
cottagecore punk dick inversion? how old is this person? i can't imagine anyone past the age of 16 caring that much about made-up tiktok aesthetic labels
>the style i'm attracted tothis is so autistic. the more i think about it the more i'm convinced this was written by a child who hasn't felt any genuine romantic/sexual attraction yet and just goes along with whatever his tiktok feed suggests. blog but when i was a kid and old ladies kept asking me annoying questions like "what do you like in a guy" i would just blurt out something like "uuhhh nice long hair i guess" because i had absolutely no idea what i'm supposed to like about them
No. 2507212
>>2507026You cant unlearn the truth. Once you stop peddling to trannies and see them for who they really are, its like finally seeing color as a colorblind person. the reason why their jumble of text doesnt make sense is because trannies (men) dont know what misogynistic or sexism means, who is the
victim of misogyny here? themselves?
No. 2507214
>>2507026Obvious troon post, women don't un-peak or at least not like this. Also kek at the confession by projection of calling sex realism a cult and… yourself posting a 'they all knelt before you' image.
>>2507084They keep letting Woody Allen make movies despite him being an incestuous pedophile accused of consistently raping his own children over years, they keep watching Polanski movies and like the other anon said they'll keep supporting Neil Gaiman financially despite him being a child-abusing rapist. The people doing this don't actually care about the ethical consumption of media, they just don't want women they don't like to have fun or success. Everything everyone does has to be a pledge of allegiance to them specifically, or else they feel incredibly threatened and insecure.
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>>2507193Agreed.
On a brighter note, this comment from r/politicalcompassmemes about TIM mods is based and made my day
No. 2507216
>>250702619k notes for this obvious lie holy christ
>Trans-Identifying men enjoy “being” a woman but TERFs dontYou cant ”Hate” or “Enjoy” being a woman, youre either are a woman or youre not. sure you might hate misogyny , or you hate periods, but
being a woman isnt a changing label like being happy, mad, or sad. thats the entire point of TERFism. its something thats so fundamental and concrete that it never changes. its like saying you hate having two legs. trannies can merely enjoy the idea of being a woman in their heads.
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No. 2507223
>>2506282Same, nearly all the ‘content creators’ (god I hate that term) I follow for nerdy stuff like HP and DnD are male and I feel bad about it, but every time I branch out to a woman covering the same subjects she ruins it by being non-binary or wailing about TWAW or calling JKR an evil fascist in a way that’s not even related to the subject. It’s even snuck into my non-nerdy interests like gardening. At first it was pretty easy to avoid the one TIF garden influencer but lately I keep seeing more and more people waffle on about how we all need to think about LGBTQWERTY inclusivity in gardening and I just wonder why? When have same sex attracted people ever been excluded from gardening? If anything, lesbians are overrepresented in my local gardening communities (good for them) and if TIP aren’t gardening it’s because they never leave their bedroom, not because anyone’s excluding them. As long as I only listen to old white British moids I don’t have to deal with that shit but as soon as I branch out to listen to other people it’s like stepping into a minefield.
It’s gotten to a point where if I hear about any woman content creator speaking positively about HP or JKR or Hogwarts Legacy (thank you TRAs and your “xyz is a
TERF” alerts) I follow her immediately, even if her content isn’t entirely aligned to my interests. We need to support women who don’t cave to the bullshit. Even if they aren’t terfy and only took a HL sponsorship for the money I’ll support them, because that takes ovaries in this milieu.
>>2506625I need to get myself a bag or a badge or something because my scarf can only shield me when it’s cold out.
Also barely any of these people have read the books and know Ravenclaw’s colours are really blue x bronze not blue x silver>>2506613What baffles me most is when they try to force team LGBTQ+ and the Muslim community when Muslim moids are responsible for the vast vast VAST majority of actual homophobic hate crimes where I live. Non-Muslim people might give them the side eye or commit an accidental misgendering but whenever you hear about a gay couple or a TIP actually being attacked it’s practically guaranteed to be a group of Muslim moids. A few years ago we had a special Pride edition of the local newspaper highlighting local kweer folx and while the non-binary transfemme faeselves all appeared with their photo and full name to whine about grandma not understanding what demisexuality is, the gay Muslim man had to have his interview fully anonymised because the last time his family suspected him of being gay, his own brothers and cousins put him in the hospital. They must be completely delusional (and extremely sheltered) to think these people are their natural allies.
No. 2507228
>>2507219Someone make one of these the next threadpic.
>>2507215It's true and makes sense but still extremely annoying that the moderation system on reddit caused a site with some theoretical potential (as a news aggregator, info repository etc) to instead turn into… whatever it is. I wonder how many hundreds of trannies are modding reddit at this point.
No. 2507263
>>2507242>the people who hate them also hate black people, poor people, women, dogs, jews, muslims, and that people hate them because they are inherently hateful and evil for no reasonBut the thing is that these moids fit that bill perfectly. In addition to beating up gay, gnc and trans-identified people they also hate and want to subjugate all women, are very racist towards black people, are absolutely nazi-level antisemitic and even look down on other Muslims who are a different flavour of Muslim than they are. (I don’t know how they as a community feel about dogs.) They hate everyone except themselves and a handful of influential misogynistic white men who they think are based.
There is zero benefit to trying to ally with these men, but they still try because they think everyone who’s ever been given an Oppressed Minority label is in the same boat. I think they’re importing the North American idea that White Cishet Christians are the evil colonist oppressors and everyone else is their
victim, when that doesn’t really work here. It doesn’t help that most of these kweer folkxs come from sheltered upper middle class upbringings and have learnt everything they know about other demographics from cartoons and social media and not real life.
It’s just painful to see lesbians and gay men and silly non-binary girls try to cozy up to men who hate them because they think they owe them some kind of allyship, when they’d be so much safer with the middle aged straight white women they think are the root of all evil. Like stop reading Pink News for five minutes and pay attention to local news reports instead. Who’s hurting people like you? It’s not Karen, that’s for sure.
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>>2507263Also fun fact, you are more likely to be assaulted by a man and a “transwoman” then you are being assaulted from a woman and a “transman” wonder why…
No. 2507274
>>2507263Kek Muslim countries are famously dog-hating nonna.
Anyway NTA but of course you're right, the issue is that troons don't actually pay attention to other people enough to notice any of this or care. Everyone is instrumental to them and everything they do that isn't related to pleasing themselves is tokenistic. They pretend to ally with muslims in a vague, surface-level way, in order to try to garnish more support from OTHER people who also ally with muslims in a vague, surface-level way. They don't actually support (or know, or even know about) the type of muslim moids who want to behead someone for being gay or drawing a cartoon, they know a lot of cute libfem girls who go to pro-palestine protests and put watermelon emojis in bio and they think those libfem girls will also care more about troon issues if they temporarily ally themselves with those causes.
>It doesn’t help that most of these kweer folkxs come from sheltered upper middle class upbringings and have learnt everything they know about other demographics from cartoons and social mediaIt does help them because they can keep up their LARP basically indefinitely around other people like themselves. Troons are not the only people who come from sheltered upper middle class upbringings - most other libfem/SJW activists do as well, and none of them know any more about anything outside their bubbles than troons do. Troons aren't trying to win over the toothless man in the trailer park, they're trying to win over their fellow college students or the girls they lust over on Tumblr. The same libfem girls troons want support from will cozy up to troons rather than white middle aged "Karens" for the simple reason that being a middle aged woman isn't seen as cool or edgy.
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>>2507026>but trannies hate themselves too!So do incels. I am not going to have any sympathy for someone who feels entitled to access someone elses body.
>TERFs hate being womenWhat? Huh??? We hate how scrotes treat women like second class citizens and call it out. To me this is like someone saying a civil rights activist hated being a
PoC because they called out racial oppression. What the fuck????
No. 2507290
>>2507274I can't imagine a woman in college like this anymore. Isn't it only the social outcast
/overweight college girls doing this now? The type of young woman they're after is probably a
terf now or even an anon
No. 2507297
>>2507290Kek sorry my hand slipped. I don't know what being overweight would have to do with anything but the surveys and statistics I see suggest that high school and college aged girls/women are the demographic most likely to have some sort of gender identity/queer identity themselves (to the tune of like 30-50% of them at this point) so no, I don't think it's true only true social outcasts support troonism unless you consider a third or a half of young people to be social outcasts. If anything I think young people are much likelier to be troon supporters because they were actively indoctrinated with gender ideology in primary school, secondary school and college - that's what I see irl anyway. You can see many other anons in the thread saying every single other girl they have in their hobby communities or college classes is a gendie. You're lucky if you're college aged and most of the young women in your classes are open terfs, that is a rare and precious situation to be in.
>>2507292That doesn't matter nonna, these are coddled middle class kids we're talking about. The thing that scares them the absolute most is being an old washed up hag like their middle aged moms, and they haven't had enough experiences of hardship to know what is or isn't actually 'edgy.' Anything that signals rebellion against social norms is seen as edgy by sheltered youth and this has always been the case.
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>>2507300Maybe, maybe not. Lots of liberals from every generation still support troons to some degree, but the older you are the less likely you are to support them (especially enthusiastically). People older than their late 20s grew up actually learning that biological sex is real, grew up with media that made fun of skinwalker males like Buffalo Bill, and probably have more important things to think about for the most part than socially signalling coolness. Gen X were never known for being into 'superficial social causes' like Zoomers are - they were the generation known for being apathetic, more concerned with financial realities and avoiding attention. I think you're thinking of Boomers because nothing you said about Gen X is accurate at all.
>It's become edgy and rebellious to not be a handmaiden in most academic settingsI just got out of school last year and spent more than a decade prior to that in academic settings and this is not my impression at all. I mean, sure, if we're talking about what is REALLY rebellious then being a
terf is truly rebellious - so rebellious in fact that it will usually get you disciplined or even thrown out of university and spat on by everyone you know. If you mean that being a
terf has social cachet, I think you're entirely wrong. I was treated like a social pariah by other students whenever I said something even mildly terfy in my classes and the academic environment was really stifling and chilling.
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>>2507322I think zoomers are the first generation to be terrorized by social henpecking that makes typical rebellion unappealing or impossible so they're kind of useless overall. I'm sad that it will probably take until gen alpha but I'm more familiar with this generation and only the social outcasts heavily support troons/therriens. I think this will blow up first in leafland, the same way it went off the rails here. The orgs. responsible for the propaganda behind this social shift will probably stop showing data soon bc it will start becoming apparent there was a "peak" to this and the numbers aren't going to continue rapidly increasing anymore. You could probably graph interest in the macarena over time and it would look just like this
No. 2507353
>>2507344If a male corpse “gets hard” as you claim then clearly there’s some nerve endings still twitching or a build up of gasses in the corpse. As for women being brain dead and menstruating - first off I love that you specified brain dead and not a corpse like the male because brain dead people aren’t dead and can still have minimal brain activity / organ function, but also comatose patients are case by case and not all due to being “brain dead”.
Male and female brains are clearly different if you wanna cry about it can I direct you to the living with dysphoria thread on the xx board?
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>>2507336If your point is that the most rabid transactivist/SJW types are uncool social outcasts then of course that's true and has always been the case. No one socially adept, popular and interesting has ever felt the need to troon out or become a 'therian' or wear a fursuit because they have better things to do with their time than making their whole lives revolve around cringey tumblr politics.
But I'm still not sure how you're justifying the idea that it's the 'cool' thing to do in Canadian universities to openly be a
TERF. If I'm understanding correctly, you're saying that you're a Canadian university student and the popular cliques in your university are open terves? And other people like them and look up to them and don't give them shit for it?
Because like I said that was not my experience in university or academic settings at all, any hint of terfism usually got you labelled as a conservative and young people in college settings are still overwhelmingly liberal and leftist. I may be missing some trend that's going on because I'm a younger millennial so most of the people I know are in the older zoomer to older millennial demographic, and the pattern I see is that the older zoomers are by far the most pro-TRA, while the older millennials don't usually engage in or care about TRA activism at all. People my age sometimes support troons and freak out at terves but you can still find plenty of younger millennials who are terfy openly and still have plenty of friends, but the younger the person the less likely they are to accept any gender critical speech or ideas. You can also look at who the cool celebrities are that young people look up to, because that's usually a sign of what's considered cool and rebellious for any given generation, and you'll see that young women tend to really like celebrities like Chappell Roan who are fully invested in gendie shit. I can't name a single celebrity popular with zoomer women who's openly a
terf.
>I think this will blow up first in leafland, the same way it went off the rails here.It's already blown up in the US and UK but Canada is still going strong with total troon support so I think that ship has already sailed.
>>2507344>brains are not sexed in any wayEvery cell in your body (including your brain) is a sexed cell, I don't think this is the right thread for biology denialism.
No. 2507380
>>2507353you (?) claimed that a male body would be unable to get hard if a female brain were placed within it. i used a corpse to show that a male body CAN get hard without a brain, period: if that's possible, it can get hard with a female brain too. same with women – if their brain activity totally stops their bodies continue to work. if they get a "male" brain, their bodies will continue to work.
you claiming brains are sexed also ignores that opposite-sexed organ transplants happen all the time, it's just plain false.
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>>2507380Science is moving away from organ transplantation into opposite-sex donors (which is mostly done out of necessity anyway) because it can increase rejection rate and requires more immunosuppression (see picrel).
>Data on transplant rejection rates have been correlated with specific patterns of donor and recipient sex in several types of transplanted organs, including kidneys and hearts. In kidney transplantation, female donor sex has been associated with an increased rate of transplant rejection, especially among male recipients. In cardiac transplantation, organs from female donors have also had lower rates of success than organs from male donors; however, in contrast to kidney transplantation, these differences are only consistently present in male recipients, and are absent in female recipients. The authors also note the importance of age — among women 45 and older, they observed a positive effect among female recipients, especially when they received a transplant from a female donor.>Tullius and his colleagues describe two important categories of molecular sex differences that may influence immune response and help account for the different rates: genetics and hormones. Approximately 50 genes on the X chromosome have immunological functions, and may be more variably expressed in females. The Y chromosome, on the other hand, harbors genetic loci for male-specific antigens. Different hormonal environments in males and females may influence multiple immune cell types that express hormone receptors.As you can see from this every cell in the body has chromosomal differences based on sex, and this includes brain immune cells. Women are much more prone to getting certain diseases than men are and vice versa, for this reason. Just because you can suppress the natural immune system enough with harsh and damaging drugs to get a dying person's body to accept a transplant doesn't mean there aren't sex differences between human organs.
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>>2507271Whatever could they have in common? It is a mystery
>>2507274That makes a lot of sense. It really is just virtue signalling all the way down.
>>2507292Being a weirdo in a dress isn’t cool or edgy but being enlightened and progressive enough to deign to be kind to the weirdo in the dress (as opposed to being creeped out and on their guard around him like older women with actual life experience) is cool and edgy. I’ve seen this a lot with handmaidens. None of them will ever voluntarily spend time with the creepy TIM one on one or consider him a real friend but they’ll make sure they’re seen tolerating him so that everyone sees what Good People(tm) they are.
>>2507358I’m in Europe but it’s pretty much the same here. The cool people don’t spend any significant amount of time thinking about gender ideology or feminism on either ‘side’. Most of them still think of TIMs as ultra-gay drag queens and superficially support them on that principle. Being tolerant is cool, bullying is uncool, and terfs are seen as uncool conservative middle aged women bullying these harmless ultra-gay men for no reason. These people will laugh at the idea that TIMs are biologically female (“but nobody is saying that, though!”) and bristle at being called egg-havers, but will also roll their eyes at radfems saying that transwomen are men because they think it’s unnecessarily mean (“it may be true, but like, you don’t have to say it like
that”).
The only exception is when it suddenly affects them personally, like when a TIM joins their sport and starts taking their medals away and swinging his dick in the locker room. Then they’re absolutely flabbergasted that 1) this gay (right??) man who’s supposed to hate his penis has the audacity to flash them with it, surely he’s not actually trans? and 2) they’re being told it’s transphobic to object to any of this. Most women in this situation will keep their head down because being openly “transphobic” is social suicide, but some of them will speak out. Unfortunately, speaking out against transgenderism automatically makes them uncool. Being cool and caring very strongly about this issue (or any issue, honestly) just aren’t compatible. The only people who can get away with openly criticising transgenderism while remaining cool are men, but only because it doesn’t affect men as much so they can then continue to not really care about it. If a previously cool man goes the Glinner route, he becomes uncool too.
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>>2507410>Being cool and caring very strongly about this issue (or any issue, honestly) just aren’t compatible.AYRT and this is a good point. In North America the typical leftist college student thing to do to signal coolness was to say 'go educate yourself, I don't have time to educate you' whenever someone would bring up any point about the harms caused by transideology. There isn't much social cachet in being an incorrigible sperg posting about HRT all day but there is social cachet in being so progressive and unbothered that you know it's 'correct' to be nice to troons and use their preferred pronouns, you're willing to hang out with them in social spaces and you're not 'scared' of spooky social progress like those boring stodgy conservatives. Using the -phobia suffix for disapproval of transideology means they're constantly associating gender criticism with fear, and it's uncool to be fearful or passionate about protecting children (most of these young people are still not old enough to realize why adults want to protect children).
The other thing is that queer aesthetics have stolen a lot of the aesthetic signals from previous counterculture movements like punks/emos/etc. so the weird haircuts, tattoos, revealing clothing styles and mastectomy scars are all lumped in with counterculture alt fashion.
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>>2507358I think by brains not being sexed, nona was arguing against the conservative talking points about male and female brains, women being bad at logic, math and whatnot
>>2507395Let's all promote operation let them speak kek
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>>2507451I'm a STEM nonna and I don't have the studies themselves at the ready (I can try to track them down later) but we can't actually determine if a brain is male or female from a brain scan with decent accuracy. So there's a flaw in most sex-differences studies about brains which is that they take some set of women (who they know are women) and some set of men (who they know are men) and then they try to map which are the most consistent differences between the two sets (a post-hoc analysis basically). In at least one study like this they found that TIM brains and gay male brains are closer (than the average straight male) to female brains in one specific way, but for all we know this could just reflect some attraction or socialization difference. Similar activation in a certain area on fMRI in two brains doesn't even indicate that the 'brain patterns' are the same, it just indicates that there is some larger-than-average amount of brain activity in a specific area. Lots of different things could be happening in, say, the amygdala and just seeing higher activation there doesn't really indicate much other than there's probably some kind of emotional processing or fear/disgust processing happening. Studies like this don't and can't prove that TIMs have 'woman brains' because we can't even tell if a brain is male or female from one of these scans in the first place.
>>2507465>nona was arguing against the conservative talking points about male and female brainsShe literally said
>brains are not sexed in any wayAnd that's what I'm arguing against. Brains are sexed in a very basic way. If she means 'conservative stereotypes about women being less logical aren't true' she could just say that and no one in the thread would have an issue with it.
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>>2507471(1/2) So here's the abstract of one of the studies I think troons are usually talking about and it shows that on some 'probabilistic' mapping of a couple dozen women, men, and TIMs (where the "likelihood" of the brain being male or female is the outcome, since they can't actually tell for sure so it's not a binary classification), the TIMs had brains closer to 'cis men' than 'cis women' but still in between/different from both. This was a structural mapping study so it wasn't about brain function at all, just grey matter/white matter/etc.
>The classifier performed at 90.2% accuracy (AUC = 0.97) when assessed in the training sample and at 88.3% accuracy (AUC = 0.97) when assessed in our 48 cisgender brains. These measures indicate a suitable classification performance and a reliable distinction between the sexes based on brain anatomy. So basically it was pretty good at determining whether it was a male or female based on brain anatomy alone (much better than chance but under 90% accuracy).
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>>2507482Oh, that's the study that picrel came from. I still don't agree with them that TIM brains are really "inbetween", because if you look at the diagram, a majority are much closer to the grey male box.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8955456/>Six transgender women reported to be androphile (attracted to men) and 18 transgender women stated to be gynephile (attracted to women)Kek maybe those few lower TIMs are the gay ones, I don't think they list any sexualities for the "cis" participants.
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>>2507482Here's a graph showing that the overlap between the predicted sex index of male and male troon brains is almost total, with the bulk of the troon brain confidence interval aligning pretty much with the bulk of the 'cis male' brains. The bulk of the female brains fell far below the troon male/cis male average.
>The gray center of each violin contains the values between the 25th and 75th percentilesYou can see that the gray centre cores of the violins between the males and TIMs are almost exactly aligned and completely non-overlapping with the female brain structure. That means that the 'middle' 75% of TIMs had scores aligning with the 'middle' 75% of 'cis' men but there were also many cis male, cis female, and trans brains that were in the middle and overlapped with each other (upper 25th percentile of females and lower 25th percentiles of both male groups).
The scientists go on to report that male troon brains are thus 'shifted toward the female brain' but it's a cope as you can see from the graph itself. They mention some earlier studies that corroborated their finding but they had tiny sample sizes:
>Two other studies reported similar findings in transgender women but effects seemed to be driven by [36] or became significant only after [35] hormone therapy. Nevertheless, the sample sizes in those studies were extremely small (n = 8 and n = 11, respectively) and analyses were conducted using binary (rather than continuous) classifiers simply categorizing brains either as “male” or as “female”.
>seem to support the notion of a “shift” away from the biological sex towards the gender identity in transgender people. This shift has also been observed previously in some traditional region-of-interest studies focusing on single brain features and brain areas, such as the uncinate nucleus (INAH-3) [60], the insula and pars triangularis [14], the area around the central sulcus, posterior cingulate, and occipital regions [23] as well as the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis [22,28], just to name a few.>uncinate nucleusIs typically considered one of the most structurally sexually dimorphic brain structures across species.
>The INAH-3 is significantly larger in males than in females regardless of age[1] and larger in heterosexual males than in homosexual males and heterosexual females.[2] (from Wiki)It's in the hypothalamus (homeostatic control center for a lot of endocrine function) and the uncinate nucleus specifically is associated with sexual behavior. It's been thought to be related to sexual orientation specifically. If you read the paper I just screenshotted, 6 of the 24 participants were gay troons that would obviously shift the average downwards if the uncinate nucleus differences are mostly indicators of sexual orientation.
>insulaNot very well understood but is often hypothesized to have some control over self and body awareness. I could go on if anyone cares but it's kind of obvious that this isn't some massive difference in overall brain structure but a very minor difference in the areas of certain brain areas, mostly associated with sexual attraction and self-perception.
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>>2507514Oops nonna jinx but I forgot to attach the graph anyway, so I'll just leave my post up. The "graph" I was referring to in
>>2507518 was the one the other nonna posted above.
>I don't think they list any sexualities for the "cis" participants.No, they don't. They were matched on handedness and age to 'cis' participants from an earlier data bank, not on sexuality.
>>2507501You can't put a male brain into a female body or vice versa of course, we can't do brain transplants. But just because fMRI can't accurately differentiate male and female brains doesn't mean there's no such thing as sexed brains. Every single cell in your brain is sexed. If a doctor took a biopsy of a piece of your brain tissue they'd be able to very quickly find out what sex you are with near-100% accuracy (there's probably some 0.000000001% chance of error due to mosaicism/chimerism). It's the idea that brains aren't intrinsically sexed that is more dangerous, because troons rely on the idea that they can 'change' the sex of their brain just by taking some hormones or thinking about it real hard. They can't, they were born with a sexed brain and will die with that same sexed brain even if the brain goes through structural and functional changes.
No. 2507556
>>2507540>studying the skull shape of black and indigenous peopleThis isn't even a good comparison because the more it was researched, the more it was shown that two people could have wildly different forehead widths and still be equally competent
>>2507553This is like saying that we can't acknowledge that there are differences between male and female lung capacity because it will be used to oppress women
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>>2507514if the grey boxes represent the average doesn't this just prove YWNBAW?
'cause it feels like if you look at those the overlap between TiMs and regular dudes is significant. meanwhile the grey boxes for TiMs and women don't even touch.
No. 2507569
>>2507528They dont:
>Look like a woman (body structure)>Act like a woman (generally angrier and think with their dicks)>Sound like a woman (voices are deeper, when force their voice to sound higher they sound like mickey mouse)when you ask a tranny
how are they are a woman, or ask them to define
what exactly a woman is, their brains short circuit and then they resort to echoing wordsalads and pseudo-psychological allegories that dont compute to anything at all
No. 2507579
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>>2507529Regarding fMRI most attempts to find 'neural correlates' that identify sex in the brain have failed (e.g. see this study:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053811922008539) so troons are really tripping balls when they think there are some massively significant mental processing differences that make them more like women. We can't even reliably identify sex from functional brain imaging in the first place.
Picrel describes a more recent very large fMRI study with 5,000 kids (
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adn4202) that did find sex differences in the brain, but they didn't correlate with 'gender' shit kek. The main processing differences they found between male and female children were motor and sensory processing differences (which could likely differentiate as a result of socialization). It's funny that even when troons try to validate their delusions with studies like this the studies just further indicate they're full of shit.
It's also worth noting that the models couldn't predict gender self-report at all (kek) and the explained variance by sex, while larger, was still just barely above 50%. The prediction accuracy for sex was under 80% so you definitely can't accurately predict 'brain sex' from fMRI kek, you'd be better off doing structural mapping. Lulzy that the prediction accuracy is EVEN WORSE for self-reported gender though.
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>>2507553Can you explain how any biological or medical science, at all, or for that matter any language or social structure, could ever have functioned without the knowledge of the biological sex binary? Rather than asking 'what is useful about acknowledging men and women are biologically different' you should be asking what ISN'T useful about acknowledging it. Is there even a single thing you can think of that would be made by schizophrenically and delusionally denying basic reality in this way? Has the 20th century understanding of genetics made our society worse?
>>2507557Yes, correct. The scientists hem and haw about their interesting finding showing the troon males were 'shifted' toward female but the graph shows that they were basically typical males. The shift is probably accounted for almost entirely by the presence of gay males in the troon sample because, e.g., gay males have much lower cell density in the uncinate nucleus.
No. 2507610
>>2507587Even with those differences being there, those can all vary on things like sexuality, genetics, disability, etc etc. Obviously the sex differences still stick if they're varied, but for trannies to state that because their mental illness makes their brain a bit different than the average male, they have a "fembrain" and it's is so fucking retarded lol. No Lilith, you don't have trouble fitting in because you ackshually have a female brain, you have trouble fitting in because you're an autistic sociopath.
I think it's important to highlight that in the grand scheme of things there's sex differences while also highlighting that everyone's different and not everyone is going to think the same, I always see some right wing tards claiming (sometimes troons claiming the same kek) lesbians have "male souls" because of certain differences when compared to straight women and similarities when compared to straight males. I always found it to be insanely stupid, no we're just females who like females. Of course our brains will reflect that.
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>>2507594Glad to be of service although I should probably stop distracting myself from work by trawling pubmed for troon papers.
Also I want to point out that while the 77% sex prediction accuracy rate for that study
>>2507579 might seem high, random chance is 50% accuracy. So 75% isn't actually that good as it's only halfway between coin flip and getting it right all the time. People also tend to assume 'functional brain differences' mean you were born like that but they can be a result of upbringing too, and since troons always claim that as children they identified with and acted more like the opposite sex, this should make their brains more like opposite-sex kids. However based on studies like this it actually doesn't do that, and there isn't even any reliable functional commonality between all the kids who identify as 'feminine gendered' or 'masculine gendered.'
>>2507595And what is it that causes men to have a larger body plan? Magic?
>>2507610NTA but I've never seen any study that suggested average brain size, white matter density or number of folds varied based on sexuality. There are certain specific brain structures that vary on sexuality in both men and women but the whole brain is not much different AFAIK. Male brains are bigger but have fewer folds coming out of the womb and female brains are smaller (because of smaller overall body size) but have more folds which compensates for the smaller size and leads both sexes to have a similar number of neuronal connections overall. Reduced amygdala size (within-sex) is usually associated with personality disorders like psychopathy iirc and is largely heritable. Most major structural differences in male and female brain are just inborn slight differences in body plan development and not reflected in functional studies at all. Just pointing out that two brains look slightly structurally different doesn't mean that the two different brains would 'behave' much differently which is why it's always important to differentiate between structural and functional imaging. Troons tend to studiously ignore structural imaging studies because they are more easily identifiable as male on those and instead they spout some woo about 'male mindedness' or 'female mindedness' which is not very well corroborated by science, and even to the extent that it is, still shows that troons are more identifiable as their birth sex.
Reposting to add picrel which shows there are some differences in brain structure for homosexual vs heterosexual participants but these are sex-specific, i.e., a homosexual woman and homosexual man aren't just on some 'continuum' in brain structure between heterosexual males and heterosexual females.
No. 2507646
>>25076353rd ayrt and yes I agree fully on your point comparing functional and structural differences. Also it's important to note that trannies love to use outdated pseudoscience, a lot of the time they're not even going off of actual functional differences between the sexes. For example, tranny starts taking E and eats ice cream and cries and claims that's actually him becoming a female or whatever. It's super dumb, and then when you question them on it and call it weird because women don't act like that, suddenly they know everything about neuroscience (they don't).
>here are some differences in brain structure for homosexual vs heterosexual participants but these are sex-specific, i.e., a homosexual woman and homosexual man aren't just on some 'continuum' in brain structure between heterosexual males and heterosexual females.yeah that's what I was saying, a lot of people see the variance between men and women and assume it's some evidence of "male brained" women existing or "female brained" men existing. Like people saying lesbians have male souls because of structural differences.
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>>2507646>For example, tranny starts taking E and eats ice cream and cries and claims that's actually him becoming a female or whatever. Yeah you can see this with the troon obsession with, like, pickles and drinking pickle juice? Which is not a thing any normal women do, and is something I have just heard of in a small number of cases of pregnant women or maybe people with a sodium deficiency. If troons all genuinely crave pickle juice after starting HRT and aren't just playacting, that would suggest their HRT is causing some nutritional imbalance, not that they're literally pregnant. Another example is how troons all pretend not to be able to open jars once they're on E, despite the fact that it's easier for men to open jars mainly because their hands are larger (larger turn radius) and have higher grip strength/more fast twitch muscle fibers. There's no conceivable way taking estrogen could significantly decrease hand size or fast twitch muscle fiber ratio and it at best causes minor decreases in grip strength so you know they're literally just LARPing. It also shows that they actually believe women pretend not to be able to open jars because women are prissy and weak-minded or some shit, when it's actually just a basic difference in physiology.
>suddenly they know everything about neuroscience (they don't).There's that one troon Julia something that actually has a biology PhD and uses his knowledge of biology to twist facts about clownfish and try to trick people, but other than him I can't think of any other examples of troons with actual biomedical knowledge. They're more than an average amount likely to be an uneducated NEET or have a degree in something unrelated like coding, yet they always act like they are actually science experts when they read the first 3 lines of the abstract of some study that doesn't show what they think it shows kek.
>assume it's some evidence of "male brained" women existing or "female brained" men existing.When it comes to the homosexual structural brain differences it's funny because, looking at the study above for instance, if I'm reading correctly,
>Heterosexual women had increased precentral gyrus GMV than lesbians>Heterosexual men had more GMV in the thalamus than homosexual men>More GMV in putamen for homosexual men AND womenThat doesn't indicate that het women are like gay men or gay women are like het men, so it doesn't even corroborate the conservative POV.
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>>2507704But why are women's bodies and organs smaller on average? Because of the same genetic differences that make every cell in a woman's body biologically different than a man's. Every cell in your brain is also different from every cell in a man's brain. It's silly to argue that 'there is no such thing as a female or male brain at all' when female brains have exclusively female cells in them and male brains have exclusively male cells in them. This can lead to differences in expression of DNA in every single cell in your body, and it's why (see above) organ transplants are also not as successful when opposite-sex organs are used. the Y chromosome cells have different antigens on them, so on and so forth. The brains are fundamentally different because they are male and female brains. Yes all other organs in the body are also sexed and are also different because they belong to people of different sexes.
I think some anons in the thread are getting upset about this because they associate the idea of male and female brains with dumb patriarchal sex stereotypes like 'women are naturally silly' or 'men are the only sex capable of rationality' but that's not what 'brains are sexed' means. We don't even know what operations or structures of the brain specifically cause rationality or silliness. When people say that it's a pseudo-religious belief and has nothing to do with the acknowledgement that brains are different based on sex.
Picrel is a study on liver differences between male and female livers. Recognizing that men and women have organs that are different from one another is very important for medical science and one of the reasons why female health outcomes are often worse is that traditionally scientists only studied male organs and assumed male and female organs function the same way, which is not true.
No. 2507771
>>2507751Yes, that was already explained by multiple anons upthread hours ago. One anon (who I think was redtexted for baiting and seems to not be responding anymore) claimed that brains are not sexed in any way whatsoever and that doing research on brain sex differences is bad and dangerous because it somehow gives 'wiggle room' to troons.
In fact it is the opposite. Whenever sex differences between men and women are found, troon brains fall in line with their "AGAB" i.e. natal sex. Troons rely on the idea that there is no such thing as binary biological sex for most of their arguments, and when it comes to 'brain sex differences' they argue that their brains are 'like women's brains' in some metaphysical, non-scientifically-measurable way. What they're actually describing here is feelings and self-perception (which can't be scientifically measured atp) and not actual 'brain sex differences.' Troons argue that if they feel like women, their bodies are female bodies.
No. 2507780
>>2507733This is also why it’s always unfair for athletes with male DSDs to compete against female athletes. Even if they were raised as girls, if they genuinely believed they were female their whole lives, and if they have a pseudovaginal pouch and no penis. Their whole skeleton, every organ, every cell in their bodies is male. They have a male pelvis structure, male metabolism, male hematocrit, male lung capacity and male skeletal muscle fiber composition. It’s not just our genitalia and reproductive systems that differ, it’s every part of our body.
And that’s also why TIMs will never be able to get pregnant even with uterus transplants, because pregnancy involves every organ in the body. They’d likely suffer organ failure before the embryo is even viable.
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>>2507768I agree that the argument is retarded but it was started because of an anon arguing against biological sex differences existing which is basically a TRA viewpoint. Obviously people are going to argue against that in an anti-gender-ideology thread.
I don't think homosexual brain theory has been vindicated by the majority of the research either but the fact remains that even when studies purport to find differences these differences don't amount to 'homosexual men are like heterosexual women and vice versa' anyway. There's no evidence that a male brain can become just like a female brain through socialization or HRT or sexuality. It's just a fantasy troons wax poetic about because they want people to think they're '
valid.'
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i was going to download Her because i was just curious the amount of trannies on there and
it’s genuinely upsetting.
No. 2507864
>>2507855Yeah she got really lucky, she was gendie enough that she didn't even mention it was a troon at first so at first when she was like 'oh Valerie slept over but nothing happened' I was just like 'yeah I guess that's normal.' Then she showed me a picture and it was some hulking hon like 10 years older than her and his messages were so sexual and creepy I thought it was a wonder she came out unscathed.
>>2507857That's what I think too, he even tried to entice her by mentioning 'u-haul lesbians' kek. Sadly the friend in question still supports gender shit even though she came pretty close to peaking at some points, but I'm guessing it's because we live in an extremely pro-troon city and basically every lesbian in this city has to (metaphorically) suck TIM dick in order not to be socially outcasted. Ironically she did end up moving in with some troons not long after that situation but it was two lesbian married TIFs kek.
No. 2508206
>>2507864>married lesbian TIFsthat has got to be the weirdest shit ever.
Like you are a misogynistic woman with internalized homophobia about being a lesbian, so you larp with your wife as two married gay men
Like make it make sense
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I cant find the original video of this idiot singing that awful "song" but when that happened all trans people should have had their rights evoked because of just how cringy and male entitled this was.
No. 2508306
>>2508296I wish I still had them but I used to have a bunch of screenshots TIFs posted to reddit from their grindr escapades. Lots of gay men instantly and brutally rejecting them resulting in the TIFs running to reddit to complain about the mean cis moids. If only lesbians and bisexual women using female dating apps decided to be as brutal as those gay moids, but the problem is you know you could be targeted when they know your name, city of residence and have your photos.
>>2508301I agree. I'm not friends with her anymore, although I tried to peak her and almost succeeded. It's just not worth it with people who want to keep fucking themselves over for a moid movement.
No. 2508340
>>2507864TRA in the streets,
TERF in the sheets kek. That’s why you have seething trannies complaining about people not being open minded to sleeping with trans people and bigoted and transphobic it is. They even have vitriol against allies kek, “true allies stand with us and see us as women!”.
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>>2508280Its a cringy song about transphobia that ends with threatening lesbians. I tried searching tiktok, couldnt find it only a screengrab on google, if anyone else remembers and can post it I would be greatful.
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>It should be met with celebration.
It should be met with concern about body dysphoria.
No. 2508378
>>2508370She unironically looks/seems less frightening and miserable than a lot of the troons I know IRL. I know some people who disappeared from public life entirely after their SRS (male) and also some women who started working as prostitutes and tatting their faces and brandishing obvious self-harm scars after trooning. IDK what happened to Ellen Page but I think she was the
victim of severe sexual abuse long before she trooned out, while some of the people I know were basically normal before transition and now seem do be doing just as badly as her or worse.
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Don’t they understand that talking like this just makes them look more deranged?
No. 2508399
>>2508395All this accomplishes is I don't give a shit if someone calls me conservative, nazi, fascist, alt-right, MAGA-tard, x-phobic or whatever anymore. I used to be insulted by those terms but now I know people will call me that just for politely asking moids not to flash their dicks in the swimming pool change room I feel like the words essentially have no social meaning anymore. I used to be all 'Godwin's Law!' and 'don't cheapen the meaning of fascism lest we forget how bad it really was!' and some of my extended family were holocaust
victims/survivors but now I legitimately don't give a shit. Yes I'm a literal nazi, sure, whatever, troon. Don't these moids realize all they're doing is making people not care?
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No. 2508494
>>2508490Yeah, when my great grandparents had their town invaded by the Nazi army they had to hide the local family of jews behind the oven so the Nazi soldiers WOULDN'T know about them. These modern holocaust
victims really hit different, they just openly declare on public platforms that they're potential holocaust
victims because they are so stunningly brave.
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New tumblr cope going around "I met this one tim and nothing happened to ME, so it's fine! You evil terfs are paranoid bigots"
No. 2508524
>>2507358I don't think being an activist is ever that cool, except in certain odd eras and briefly
>cool' thing to do in Canadian universities to openly be a TERFI think it will become normal to openly be a
terf, quietly. To use a dumb example, if someone imagines "the cool girl" defending a
victim from an evil bully, right now that (still, apparently) could mean a troon being excluded by a woman, for legitimate and obvious reasons. She may not be a full-blown gender activist but the fact that she would likely stand up for him if that was happening (against the woman) and people will applaud it right now, will change. Many anons find out peaking their acquaintances is delightfully easy more often and the social climate is changing. I think in 10 years, the idea of "the cool girl" defending a troon will seem funny and ridiculous. Ru paul's drag race is great example, it's pretty easy to imagine that getting old eventually to normies, at some point
No. 2508529
>>2508527You know the answer to that is yes. Anyone who had a good experience is completely telling the truth, and anyone who is a
victim of a TIM is lying or "it wasn't a real trans woman"
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>>2508522So did she flush with the toilet handle that the tranny used to fuck his own asshole?
No. 2508532
>>2508522Fuck this type of handmaiden. I, too, have had nothing happen to me some of the times I've interacted with male troons! I guess that invalidates all the times male troons acted creepy and violative toward me. Some people have interacted with serial rapists dozens of times and not been raped by them either, maybe it's because they're much better handmaidens.
>>2508524>I don't think being an activist is ever that coolGenerally not, although it can be considered cool in certain social milieus and many people care more about what (social group) thinks than what (general society at large) thinks about them.
>I think it will become normal to openly be a terf, quietly.I agree that it eventually will in zoomer social groups but I don't think it has happened yet. I have already seen this occur in my own (millennial) social group, as the first
terf in my social milieu. Now almost everyone I'm friends with has peaked but it took years. For younger people I think it will take longer because they are more brainwashed and browbeaten than our generation was.
No. 2508533
>>2508521its even worse if you tell them you are descendants of holocaust survivors. They double down, accuse you of lying, or worse. They don't give a fuck about actual genocide. They will virtue signal about Palestine but lets be real, they don't give a flying fuck about what is going on in Gaza, other than to claim they understand because "They are totally being genocided too!"
No, "Lilith", you not being legally same as 100000% the exact same as a woman even though you really really really totally feel like one and get euphoria boners when you wear your sisters panties isn't the same as being bombed and starved to death.
No. 2508569
>>2508533Yeah I've noticed this too, they do get really mad if you mention you are the descendant of actual holocaust survivors. It's just some theoretical political talking point to them, not an actual thing that happened to actual people. That's the problem with troon moids in general, they have negative empathy and can only conceptualize tragedies and horrors as talking points to advance their own goals, not real things that affected millions of real people.
>>2508566I bet a troon would still get mad at her post because
>b-but how did you know it was a trans woman?>did you make her pull her pants and panties down and inspect her genitals?>if not, how do you know it wasn't just a tomboy?>fucking TERF No. 2508675
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>>2508671Yeah I remember something like that. Compare to the Tickle v. Giggle case where some Australian (?) lady decided to start a dating app for actual females and was sued by some troon with the last name 'Tickle' (picrel) for discrimination kek. Guess who won the case?
If you guessed 'the troon' you would be correct:
>In 2022, Tickle brought the case against Giggle, and in August 2024, the court found that Tickle had been indirectly discriminated against under Australia's Sex Discrimination Act, and ordered Giggle to pay costs of the case and damages. The case remains subject to an appeal by Giggle's CEO, Sall Grover, as of April 2025. No. 2508695
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>>2508675Yeah found the tweets my friend sent me, the CEO went on some sort of tranny-loving meltdown almost exactly 2 years ago. I think I remember someone once mentioning the CEO being a bisexual married to a man? Don't take my word for it, I could be remembering very wrong about the last part or fallen for some rumors going around, but I definitely remember her being confirmed bisexual.
Sorry if my collage is messy.
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>>2508695Some of the pushback she got from one of her tweets
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Don't forget the lobotomy incident!
No. 2508902
>>2508794>>2508696>>2508695What a nasty, hateful, rotten cow. It's funny how much TRAs hate women, I've never seen a actual
TERF write such awful shit on this level about a troon.
No. 2508967
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>>2508254>>2508344Here you go, nona. I knew he'd been posted again recently and found him in tranny thread #141.
No. 2508970
>>2508967"Check your prejudice" holy shit—other than the obvious homophobia, these white men are literally just appropriating what's it like to be discriminated. As white men they never had to experience shit like minorities had to go through like minority stress and the low-self esteem for being an "other" (whether it's because of sexuality or race).
Trouncing out is a way for them to cosplay oppression and not the "oppressor" (i.e. a straight white man).
No. 2508986
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No. 2508995
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Nonnies please use some neutral terf meme for the next threadpic, the current one makes me barf every time
No. 2509015
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>>2508758They were probably already unstable (normal moids don’t have autogynephilia, there are many fags not compelled to troon out to attract hetero males) but estrogen does in fact erode the brain over years and make any pre existing issues worse. A father of a tranny son researched the literature on how estrogen fucks with moids and has an entire section on the brain featuring even studies done on male rats. You can read it here
https://mungeribabu.substack.com/p/estrogen-is-really-bad-for-men No. 2509035
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…so estrogen turns men into their worst selves but the problem with society is Jk Rowling's twitter account. It feels like we are living in a South Park episode.
No. 2509055
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>>2509035I'm really disgusted that reading about the dolls/Pedro Pascal shit led me to finding out that Pascal's dad is a fertility clinic doctor that did malpractice with women's eggs
No. 2509072
>>2509015So this would be another reason why troons are more likely to 41% after they've actually medically transitioned than before, because it literally makes them depressed and gives them cognitive decline. But whenever you tell troons to avoid doing this to themselves they act like you're trying to literally murder them even when you're giving them advice for their own good.
It's kind of disgusting that research money keeps getting wasted on studies like 'feminizing rats' to see what the effects on male troons are, we already have so little money (relatively) spent on women's hormonal and reproductive disorders that we actually get through no fault of our own but they can't stop dumping money into researching the effects of males deliberately fucking up their bodies. It's good to have this research and know what happens but limited research funds will still go to researching troon moid issues that they induce in themselves instead of women's issues. If they just banned troons from taking HRT in the first place no one would have to do all these studies but no, they need their 'affirming care.'
>>2509046NTA but the article she posted is mostly research on males. Estrogen acts a little differently in women, however, some of these effects can also occur if a woman takes too much estrogen. Having excess estrogen as a woman can lead to low progesterone which can cause irregularities in cortisol (and thus insomnia/low energy levels/inflammation issues), autoimmune issues, weight gain/low metabolism, high testosterone levels, PCOS, even endometriosis has been associated with higher-than-normal estrogen levels although I don't think endometriosis is induced by the bc pill alone. The synthetic progestins in the combined pill also are derived from androgens and don't act in the body the way actual natural progesterone does. Women do need certain estrogen levels to maintain energy, metabolize fat properly and to maintain memory/cognitive functioning among a whole host of other reasons but artificially messing with your hormones can induce imbalances that cause serious problems. It's just going to be even more obvious in males since their bodies aren't meant to handle such high levels of estrogen at all.
No. 2509082
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>>2508995I personally like this one because it's not coom or having to look at a nasty irl AGP wearing children's clothes as a fetish just cold hard facts.
No. 2509353
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enby on enby violence
No. 2509582
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>>2508395They're deranged anyway, see picrel.
No. 2509594
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>>2508522Under that premise, if a Neo Nazi complimented my purse, it means I never had a negative interaction with Neo Nazis.
Them, by other hand, if a TIM attacked me, it was something I deserved because I made them feel unsafe and there are no proof that they were an abuser (spoiler: There are always proof that TIMs tend to be abusers).
Fuck their analogy.
No. 2509642
>>2509353>light-skinned, pale or just straight up whitewhat? does she count pale blue-skinned characters as white then?
>>2509594>picrelyou just know this person would immediately cancel anyone with a transphobia or racism accusation, no fact-checking needed. but god forbid someone is wary of a manipulative furry pedotroon "without evidence" of them committing a sexual crime
>Under that premise, if a Neo Nazi complimented my purse, it means I never had a negative interaction with Neo Nazis.Kekk it is really their "logic"
No. 2509652
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>>2509642You know the phrase "If there are nine Nazis and one person is neutral, there are ten Nazis?". They know people can use that premise like "If there are ten TIMS and nine are abusers and one is neutral, then there are ten abusers".
No. 2509744
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why is it so obvious even from an angled selfie that it's a psychotic ftm troon
No. 2509853
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sorry I didn't read through all of this, it made me so mad so quickly. What the absolute fuck
No. 2509977
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Why do so many GC/radfems turn to tradshit? Why does this pattern exist?
No. 2510000
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Trannies always post this fake ass shit
No. 2510067
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>>2509875NTAYRT but I looked up this user’s account. For some reason the profile doesn’t pull up for me (doesn’t seem to be a deleted account though) but I was able to see some of their posts and comments in the search. I was leaning toward this being rage bait but now I’m not sure. Most of their comments I see are from 2 years ago, but they seem pretty general and mild TRA takes. Dumb, but not dumb enough to be trolling. I did find this deranged post about being “hate crimed” in a bakery by an elderly
TERF and a dad that gave me some laughs along the way. But I can see the previous post about girls in Afghanistan being an example of someone trying to be so open minded their brain falls out.
No. 2510123
>>2510106This plus their mental illness (specifically male mental illness) always shows on the face. You can just see it in their eyes, how they try to mimic female socialised expressions(?) but fail miserably. And not in awkward autist smiles but there's this psychotic derangement. Wide sclera showing, or too many teeth? Predator activated to our lizard brain.
Even normie men who do a genderbend dress up for shits and giggles with a wig alone look better than TIMs who spend thousands of dollars on FFS and chops, because at least the former aren't mentally ill on that level.
No. 2510246
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Im curious what you guys think about this post. Its from /snow
No. 2510329
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>>2504702>>2504684this was the troon reaction to the short
No. 2510370
>>2509589Everyone who’s ever crossdressed or wondered what it would be like to be the opposite sex is 100% trans, up until the moment they attract too much negative attention from the wider public. Then they’ve been cis the whole time.
>>2509744The TIFs eyes are so soft and twinkly even though she’s trying to look tough. Meanwhile the TIM is trying to look cute but his eyes look soulless and crazed. Idk what it is that makes eyes sexually dimorphic but it’s definitely a thing.
>>2509853I don’t think this is necessarily ragebait because I’ve seen this sentiment several times before. Didn’t UN Women or some similar organisation tweet about ‘people who identify as female’ being oppressed in Afghanistan? They edited it after getting a lot of angry responses.
I’ve also seen tumblr and even lolcow posts years ago lamenting the fate of transgender people in Afghanistan because they have it so much worse than ‘cis’ women… somehow. Those posts were actually worse than this one, though; this one acknowledges that it’s being biologically female that makes girls and women targets of oppression and doesn’t centre TIMs. The other posts I’ve seen implied or outright stated that it’s ’female gender identity’ that makes people targets and that women could escape this by becoming TIFs, and TIMs were the biggest
victims due to being trans as well as ‘women’ and it’s impossible for them to detransition back to men because ??reasons??
No. 2510499
>>2510427kek i thought trannies called the uk "
terf island"? why would he move there? what a retard
No. 2510508
>>2510088Equity prof?
>>2510123Yeah I think it's this, TIMs almost always have something really off with their eyes. The eyes are also the reason you can usually recognize an FTM from a photo, women have different eye expressions usually. TIFs are mentally ill too but they don't have that predatory serial killer look, their eyes usually just look sad or scared like bunnies or soft and friendly despite the obvious mental illness that drove them to transition. TIMs have sanpaku eyes like 100% of the time.
>>2510329When I first read the youtube comments after it came out there were thousands of troons saying it describes their experience perfectly, it's so empathetic, Colin must be a TIM too because he understands so well, etc. Now that they've noticed the normie response to this is horror they're all backing away from it slowly. Typical troon behavior, fully embracing something until they realize it seems absolutely unhinged to everyone else and then saying 'this has nothing to do with us, we never liked that, it's offensive!'
No. 2510578
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I watched A Twisted Female's video on transgender surgeries and was wondering if anyone knows the name of the TIM in picrel? She did not include it in the description.
No. 2510598
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I can't do this anymore
No. 2510742
>>2509398>>2509807Gender: A Wider Lens ended earlier this year, the archives are still up. They have both moved on to separate podcasts. Stella's is Beyond Gender. Sasha's is The Metaphor or Gender but she hasn't started it yet. A Wider Lens and Beyond Gender both do video interviews that they release on yt. The audio is the podcast. You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist is another gc podcast by a therapist, its also on yt.
Women's Declaration International (WDI) has a yt channel where the discuss various radfem issues including transgender stuff, but that's not the focus.
No. 2510875
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normally i would laugh at tif-on-tim violence but this is just sad. they are SO close to getting it.
yeah tiffany, i'm sooo sure that there's a huge gap in creative women and men that you watch that totally doesn't have to do with the fact that tims get praised to high heaven just for existing and being mediocre, while tifs (women) are pushed down and denied these opportunities no matter how talented they are. if this post was rephrased with "men" and "women" instead, everyone would know why.
No. 2510968
>>2510875Because troons are completely creatively bankrupt and feeble minded. Every fucking TIF thing I've seen is "
blank but trans!". They are incapable of thinking of anything interesting.
No. 2510972
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>>2510875At first I felt sorry for her
mostly because "are "amabs" just inherently better?" was something I also started wondering right before I detransed but then she had to go and ruin it
No. 2510977
>>2510976Eh, to be a tif you have to basically be already a doormat to men, so it comes to no surprised. Tims could shit on them and they could go "thank you, sorry that I'm only worth of being your toilet, at least I'm not a cis right dolls?"
They are just sad. I feel a lil bit of pity for heavily autistic tifs, but every other flavour deserves all the shit they go through, they put themselves in this situation
No. 2511000
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what did tra's mean by this?
No. 2511048
One thing that I fucking hate about this ideology is how trendy makes unnecessary surgery look. They're trendy, harmless, something that anyone can get, when they want! Doesn't matter the complications, the revisions, the potential allergy to anesthesia, the blood loss, the cortisol rising, not being able to shower for days, having screws in your body, pulling skin, horrid scars (the hype goes away once they become "normal"), the hormonal imbalances, the eternal curse of being a fake hormone junkie.
The ideology can come and go, but the physical harm stays. Vidrel is a random tifs that youtube suggested me for some reason, seeing the words "revision" and "top surgery" in the same sentence makes my blood boil because imagine giving yourself life long damage and hormone imbalances just for what? For fucking what, really? To circle jerk in a community? To give in into woman hatred? You would go for an unnecessary, very painful and ugly surgery (this tif mentions dog earing, google that shit up and tell me it doesn't fucking look disgusting)to be the cool kid? This doesn't make absolutely sense to me and I hate how harming oneself is normalized.
No. 2511160
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>>2511048“Don’t mind the risk of osteoporosis or stroke. Taking exogenous hormones for aesthetic is toats safe and fun!!”
No. 2511175
>>2509993This take is disingenuous and I see it far too often on here. It reminds me of when you see vegans starting to eat meat again and other vegans will point at them and shriek "They NEVER cared about the animals!!!"
It goes back to the same sort of moral puritanism, that if you really believed in the cause your ideas won't change and shift over time.
It also operates under the premise that because radical feminism is "correct" that you couldn't possibly change your views to be anything else, because this is it. The same with veganism. I say this as as ex-vegan and current radfem btw.
This
>>2509997 anon is more correct imo, and they made a good point about grifters. There are a lot of people out there who seek extreme, contrarian ideology because it'll give them a personality (or something material to hold onto) until the next obsession comes along.
No. 2511178
>>2510936Out of curiosity nonna where is this happening to you? Like on the internet, irl, etc? I never experienced someone calling me an egg for body image issues, I'm assuming you're probably younger than me but I can't imagine my irl female friends ever saying something like that to me even when I was younger.
>>2511048This is not the first time certain forms of self harm have been 'cool' among youths, even in my lifetime. Cutting, eating disorders, etc… girls and young women have gotten into social contagion communities/subcultures where it's cool to harm yourself as long as I remember. It is sad though because around the time I was in high school/college it seemed like there was a very real push by society to solve this issue, figure out why it was happening and work on discouraging self-harm among girls but now it's been actually institutionally supported and validated to the point we're not even allowed to act like it's concerning anymore. That's the part that worries me the most.
No. 2511257
>>2511207Kek they didn't just describe it as their home, they described it as their rental apartment. That's even worse than 'home.'
>Troonism is basically Cartesian dualismExcept funny enough most trad Christians believe in Cartesian dualism (ish) but they still think troonism goes too far.
>>2511241NTAYRT but there is more than one core principle to most ideologies, including radical feminism. Sometimes people fully buy in to one or two of the core principles but not the third. Sometimes people fully buy into the core principles temporarily, but then the more they think about it the more exceptions to the principle they find and the more they start to question that the principle is totally correct. Sometimes people agree with the end goal of an ideology but start to believe after observing human behaviour that the way to achieve that goal is different than what they've been told by the rest of the group. Sometimes they in principle agree with a group but they hate the way that group treats them and get driven away. Some of the people who are labeled 'radfems' are labeled by people around them and never used the label themselves (Megan Murphy is a good example, Posie Parker is also sometimes accused of calling herself a radfem but I've never heard her say she is a feminist at all). 'Feminism' has also meant different things at different times so sometimes someone who used to call themselves that wants to stop calling themselves that because of what it's become associated with.
I think one of the main reasons why some people seem to be radfems and then stop is because a lot of free thinking types are initially attracted to radical feminism (both because of the actual ideology and the brashness and counterculture nature of the ideology and the history of radfem thinkers). Those free thinkers may initially feel at home in the community but then feel like it's too limiting or like the community censors them for certain thoughts they have, so they end up moving on and trying to broaden their horizons or find other groups of people who are more willing to hear them out for all their opinions. Radfem groups going back to the 1960s have always had issues with splintering and excommunicating people from the community, tall grass gets cut style. It's never been a non-infighty community since its inception and people will eventually try to go where they feel comfortable, even if that means leaving all ideological labels behind and just settling down with a small family.
Off topic but someone who spent a significant amount of time being a vegan is an ex vegan regardless of what their initial reasons for veganism were and regardless of how 'good' their diet was while they were vegan. Many ex-vegans are people who became vegan because of their love for animals or the environment who then later started to think that sustainable local regenerative animal farming is better for both animals and the environment than veganism. That doesn't mean their original reasons for becoming vegan stopped being important to them. So it is for radfems.
No. 2511258
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can someone decipher this
No. 2511263
>>2511258He's saying TIFs can't call themselves femboys or trannies because terms those were invented to refer to TIMs and can only be reclaimed by them.
Unrelatedly, he's also incapable of keeping his furry porn addiction on the downlow and has to make sure every random person who sees his username and avatar knows that he wants to fuck dogs.
No. 2511270
>>2511160in this analogy they're trying to completely alter the floor plan of their 'home' with zero concern for the house's structural stability, and then crying about it and blaming society when the plan to DIY renovate their trailer into a two-story house doesn't work out.
then they look at the people who are just doing normal maintenance like 'painting' or 'adding a patio' and self-soothe by insisting their neighbors just don't have their massive, enviable creative vision.
No. 2511290
>>2511257>Those free thinkers may initially feel at home in the community but then feel like it's too limiting or like the community censors them for certain thoughts they have, so they end up moving on and trying to broaden their horizons or find other groups of people who are more willing to hear them out for all their opinions. I understand this completely and I was not saying that being an ex radfem is impossible. The initial post is about radfems turned tradwives which doesn't really make sense. It's not a matter of having the same end goals but attaining them differently, or only adhering to some of the principles. It's going to the extreme opposite. There may be some genuine cases but it is obvious imo that most of them don't really believe in anything.
>someone who spent a significant amount of time being a vegan is an ex vegan regardless of what their initial reasons for veganismThat's just not true. People who don't eat animal products for religious or medical reasons aren't vegan. Same for weight loss or purely environmental concerns. Vegan, plant-based and caring about the environment are different things. Again I'm not saying it's impossible to be an ex-vegan. One of the most common reasons for going back to an omni or vegetarian diet is because it is "inconvenient" to be vegan at first. Food is a central part of people's lives. So a lot of people pick convenience and food over the animals, in the same way that, in every day life, people very often choose convenience and normalcy over their beliefs and principles.
No. 2511291
>>2511258>women (specifically those who identify as men) are too used to throwing around slurs made for GNC/fetishist males pretending "it's for the whole (trans) community!" like you morons (TIFs) are trying to "reclaim" femboy (effeminate male) and tranny, get a gripNote that he's also failing to call out MtF trannies who try to "reclaim" misogynistic and lesbophobic slurs. So basically, this troon is mad that women, who he's fully acknowledging as women but behind fake woke language, are using slurs that were invented for GNC or mentally ill perverted males to describe themselves in their man LARP. But he says nothing about himself and other LARPing males like him using "slut", "whore", "bitch", "dyke", etc. for themselves, when those slurs were created specifically to demean females. "Rules for thee, but not for me".
Also note how it's
women specifically who annoy him the most, even more than "cis" people using terms like "femboy". In other words, he's more mad at fakebois calling themselves femboys than he is at actual femboys who aren't trannies, because he just hates women. Even though, in theory, he should be supporting those fakebois since they're trannies too and he's probably ok with MtF troons using misogynistic slurs on themselves.
No. 2511331
>>2511263I just want you to know this post made me spit my drink.
>>2511285This is why I don't even support drag queens. Moids feel so entitled to 'reclaiming' slurs against women that women feel uncomfortable with and then saying we're not allowed to complain because they're gay, trans, queer, crossdressers, etc. Fuck off moids.
>>2511290>The initial post is about radfems turned tradwives which doesn't really make sense.It doesn't make sense because it doesn't really happen. It's just a thing that people say to discount and minimize both radical feminism and the women who are not radfem but are or were somewhat aligned with radical feminism. No one actually give examples of these women that were avowed radfems and then went to the extreme opposite, because essentially they don't exist (maybe there are like 2 schizos somewhere that did this but they're probably bippies with no internal personality and I've never heard of or met one). It's just another scare word/phrase that troons use to scare GC women which somehow has worked and taken off in GC communities and led GC women to turn against other GC women for an apparent lack of ideological purity.
>That's just not true. People who don't eat animal products for religious or medical reasons aren't vegan.I strongly disagree with this, the dictionary definition of vegan is someone who doesn't eat/consume animal products, but getting too much into this would be a derail. Even in the case you're suggesting, where 'vegan' denotes some ideology, there are plenty of ideological vegans who stop practicing veganism but it's because they had their mind changed about how to best live out their principles and not simply because they were lazy or wanted to lose a few pounds.
No. 2511335
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>>2511180Picrel is a reply to this tweet. Xitter troons are convinced that she is on testosterone just because she’s starting to exhibit gendie retardation
No. 2511356
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>>2511338I used to be on spiro for acne and I don’t get how xittards tinfoil this into anything other than to treat her acne
No. 2511359
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I don’t know if anyone else has this experience, but at least a decade ago, before I peaked, I came across a lot of “misandrist” accounts run by tims. they interacted with libfemi spaces and every other comment was about how they “hated men” and heterosexuality. Then it hit me, these tims hated men because they were just jealous of them. This wasn’t misandry, it was pure incel jealousy of the fact that well-adjusted, attractive men could attract women and they couldn’t.
No. 2511436
>>2511431Yeah that's another reason, a lot of the genres that attract TIMs and gendies the most are just genres that most normies don't listen to as much. Not only do the bands that forefront their politics tend to do so because they're in weird genres that normally don't attract a large audience/much money, but also they're frequently in gendie-infested genres. My band is not in a genre that attracts a lot of especially 'alt' people so I don't really worry about this and it's fine for me to be apolitical as a band leader because the limited audience I do have doesn't give a shit about idpol shit in music anyway, they just want to listen to nice music.
Kek at cavetown being rejected from Sesame Street for being too childish and lame. I listened to it once to know what all the hype was about among some of my TIF-leaning friends at the time and was like … oh. Interesting. TIFs really do have a tendency to self-infantilize.