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No. 2473199
This thread is to discuss your grievances with gender ideology.
>What is gender ideology? Foundational to transgenderism, gender ideology is the belief that one’s “internal gender” can contradict one’s biological sex.
Gender ideology operates much like a religious cult. There is no scientific evidence that supports the notion that we have an “internal gender,” and yet doctors now medicalize and sterilize children with “transgender identities” who have been groomed by the cult. Anyone who does not reaffirm these delusions is labelled as a “transphobe” in order to discredit any dissenting voices of the cult.
Previous threads:
>>>/ot/2444792>>>/ot/2373578>>>/ot/2351915>>>/ot/2290853>>>/ot/2252408>>>/ot/2191693>>>/ot/2121106>>>/ot/2097274>>>/ot/2037097>>>/ot/1991983>>>/ot/1941872>>>/ot/2405643Relevant threads:
MtF/Trans-Identified Male General
>>>/snow/2100731FtM / fakeboi / TIF general
>>>/snow/2100119Peak trans
https://lolcow.farm/2X/res/21342.htmlOvarit Archives
https://lolcow.farm/2X/res/38865.htmlResources:
Peak trans stories from banned Gender Critical subreddit:
https://www.saidit.net/s/GenderCritical/comments/54yt/gcs_peak_trans_archived/Peak trans stories from Ovarit:
https://pixeldrain.com/l/JTwRJCYR“Listen to trans people” series:
https://x.com/marycatedelvey/status/1897370783816790064“You told me you were different” TIM on TIF violence anthology:
https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=1E3552778745CA46FE01054D2886BB3D No. 2473241
>>2473091Yeah, I am the same nonna and I live in a pretty trans positive place. The only place I generally see TERFy-ness is on the inside of bathroom cubicles. I do occasionally misgender people but I am crypto enough to not start a shitstorm when I do, people wouldn’t think it’s deliberate and most often it’s not.
I keep my alliances with women over males always but I don’t have another TERFy irl friend (do not really consider myself a
TERF but at the very least I’m someone that believes sex-based realities shouldn’t be compromised for gender ideology) and almost every GNC woman I know has went down the TIF route. If you don’t live in a country where they have decided accommodating males is peak progressiveness then I need you to know it’s a very strange atmosphere… you can actually have fairly nuanced opinions about many political issues and how social justice is best enacted but literally any form of criticism towards gender ideology as a woman will get you put in the
TERF camp.
It often feels like the feminism was left incomplete before the transgender movement started building on top of it, crushing already weak pillars of female empowerment with regressive ideas about gender. They don’t care and they won’t bother picking up the pieces.
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>>2473008People dont realize that a good portion of the world (outside of the few blue states in the US) literally stone trannies and faggots to death. The “””””trans””””gender movement only seems like they have a foothold right now because they actively silence all critics. if the 14k trannies who liked these “twans rights” posts like pic rel on reddit tried to live in his fetish in somewhere like china, russia or pakistan, he would either be forced to take off his 10$ wig by the general population and kill himself or get killed by others. its about time we in america start treating these men like the predators they are.
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>>2473199OP here, I'm stupid so I accidentally posted the incomplete version of this pic as threadpic, kill me now
No. 2473394
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>>2473387>tims fighting handmaidensThis literally happens daily. When you dont give the crossdresser the female attention he so deeply craves he will call you a
TERF or a transphobe to his other TIM buddies on reddit. There is so much posts on r/MTF about the tranny crying because he didnt feel “included” and the 1# priority in female spaces
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>>2473394Also for anyone who is wondering, this is what the troon in question looks like. Theyre always so fucking fat, balding and ugly, but they demand attention like a supermodel. The mindset of the average troon is: “Well those troons that people laugh at dont pass at all, but at least
I pass just a little” But in reality they are all equally as clockable and fugly and look like men in wigs. (because they are)
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>>2473398
Yes, this is the most common reason, because most countries outside of america dont have money to burn on an AGP mans fetish, so he will always look like a man without his hormones and surgeries, and so he will always be called a man, leading to the inevitable fate of The Rope.
No. 2473491
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As per twitter trasbian (now hiding out in bsky) Anthony "Erin" Reed's report, German retards seem to have published a guideline shitting on Cass Review and recommending kowtowing to all tranny wishes.
>From the outset, the guidelines explain the importance of gender affirming care, stating that there are “no proven effective treatment alternative without body-modifying medical measures for a [person with] permanently persistent gender incongruence.”https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/new-german-swiss-and-austria-guidelineshttps://bsky.app/profile/erininthemorning.com/post/3ljxggq6lpu2qWhat he fails to mention is that a previous version of this guideline was already torn apart for being bananas and not evidence-based (
https://segm.org/German-draft-guidelines-gender-dysphoria-children-adolescents-2024), and even the new version is very
sus and copied WPATH recommendations (
https://segm.org/German-guidelines-gender-dysphoria-youth-2025). Some good points from the segm analysis:
>The final Guidelines acknowledge that the vast majority of gender-distressed adolescents today merely have "gender non-contentedness" and should not medically transition.>Despite the more cautious narrative, the Guidelines’ recommendations remain largely unchanged, providing a pathway for any willing clinician to provide gender transition to any determined youth.>The Guidelines have evidence of significant unmanaged conflicts of interest, including a priori alignment with WPATH positions, leadership in gender clinics and organizations promoting gender transition treatment, and ties to pharmaceutical companies.>The Guidelines’ scathing analysis of the Cass Review is based heavily on the discredited “Yale” report and is rooted in a misunderstanding of the role and process of “independent reviews.”>Two German medical societies fully rejected the final Guidelines, and several more issued alternative recommendations. Switzerland has not yet accepted the Guidelines, initiating its own additional review. Gig kek'ing as I read through all this.
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>>2473486I was once cornered in a restroom by a 6 ft+ tim who “just wanted to say he loved my hair”. We were the only ones in the room and he was blocking the exit. I said some noncommittal response and that I liked his hair too (I didn’t). He then wanted to talk about what I was wearing and about that time someone else opened the door forcing him to move and allowing me to escape. I’m sure he said later on that he totally passed and I was none the wiser, I even complimented him after all like all girls do.
No. 2473546
>>2473506Not trying to be rude, but why did you play along with that shit? That genuinely makes me sick. Nobody with a gun to my head can force me to call a man a woman. Especially when he is right in my face and I can freely humiliate him. If i saw him in my bathroom i would
at least give him a nasty stare to remind him hes a freak and that he doesnt belong. You just gave him something to think about while he is jerking off.
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>>2473510This. Its not so different than drawing random cartoon characters holding a sign or a shirt that says “
Character says trans rights!” It literally changes nothing but affirms the trannies make-believe delusions and also the delusions by other trannies who see it and share it
No. 2473565
>>2473563>>2473564haha jinx
nonnie you owe me a soda
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>>2473565For you
nonny>>2473568Yeah that police call, court case and emotional trauma is worth a singular smug moment right?
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>>2473581He was a TIM in one episode. The storyline was about how he put a bow on his head and demanded to go into the womens restrooms because it was “cleaner” and “nicer” kek
No. 2473599
>>2473572There was actually an episode where he pretended to be a gendie so he could get his own personal bathroom kek
>>2473506I'm so sorry this happened to you
nonnie. He probably wanted to feel like he "passed", ew. Most women just don't wanna deal with their retarded tantrums. I'm never even worried about them being strong or tall, as with any other moid, I don't care I'm built and go everywhere with my girlfriend. Trannies are hypotonic as fuck anyways. It's really the psychological legal karen shit they pull that's so fucking agitating. You don't wanna validate them? Sued. Oh you won't allow them into your business' women's restroom? Harassed and spammed with negative reviews. Tell them to fuck off when you wanna be left alone? Police called on you. It's hell. Women do best in groups as we are very social, they 41% if a flock of normie women give them the stink eye. Because then they can't karen out about it.
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>>2473601I don’t think not starting fights with hulking males makes you a handmaiden and nor does just wanting to go about your daily business without an impending court case on your mind.
No. 2473615
>>2473607NTA, not denying that they aren't violent. But sex offenses can be violent and non violent. Like downloading CP makes you a sex offender. Also extorting CP from a child online. etc etc. Either way I wouldn't wanna get in a fight with a random mentally ill moid who has a 99% chance of being a sexual degenerate. Completely understand why the nona did what she did.
>>2473609Agreed, I don't care about moid's "muh upper body strength" (especially if they're on hormones that fuck with it). But trannies are just their own type of demon because they'll go out of their way to fuck with your life legally and socially if you make them seethe. I wouldn't consider myself "nice" to trannies unless they're obviously underaged or disabled. I don't pick fights, I'm just cold. I don't think anybody wants to pick fights with the mentally disturbed, especially if you just wanna mind your own business and get the fuck out.
>>2473612fair
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>>2473512>>2473599AYART, thank you nonnies. This happened over a decade ago, I was 16 at the time and just going to get coffee with my friend. I went to the bathroom while we waited for our drinks. When I was in the stall I heard him enter but not use any of the facilities, when I exited I saw him standing there. I knew I was in a bad situation at the time but I didn’t realize how dangerous it really was until much later.
I hope no one else experiences something similar, it was really terrifying and I think contributed to my anxiety. I don’t feel like I can talk about it in therapy either without risking them terminating care for being transphobic. I wish I could say I would do things differently if I found myself in the same position today but I fear for my safety too much. May you nonnies never have to make that decision.
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This is so true
No. 2473669
>>2473660This reminds me of that one post
>Men troon out because they dont feel valued enough in the patriarchy >Women troon out to escape from misogyny of the patriarchy or something like that
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No. 2473926
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>like something cool
>trannies get into it
>oust every normal person, devs pander to them and make it stupid
every single FUCKING time. recently, a game i like added a nonbeanary character. whatever, ignore him. now a youtuber who makes build videos referred to the heccin valid duderino as 'he' and got dogpiled by kweer redittors doin a big yikes because the youtuber said he doesn't gaf. it's a fucking fictional character with a male voice actor and male appearance. the youtuber was removed from the games' partnership simply for saying he doesn't care.
you have to bow down to these people and their delusions or you will receive public lashings. it is so over.
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>>2473892Sometimes crypto is needed, but many times i find myself just calling TIMs a man to their face, and then act really unapologetic, apathetic, and casual about it if they freak out. The maximum ive seen them do is avoid me afterwards, which is in my best interests because who wants to look at an eerie skinwalking fugly moid on a day to day basis.
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>>2473964Samefagging, example from a real conversation i had with a TIM, not verbatim
>Wow he probably doesnt even know you are a guy crossdressing>”Um… I use she/her pronouns and I told you I dont like being called “A guy” >Oh yeah I forgot, Its hard for my brain to see you as a woman because you look masculine >”But i identify as a woman”>Yeah i know its just easier for me to call you a guy though and the the next day he avoids me and gets embarrassed whenever he sees me. he knows he cant cry transphobia because i can just go “well i didnt know” and he will probably tell himself that too. Its literally so easy, im done with ass kissing moids.
No. 2474012
I’m in a Euro country that elected a pretty right wing government last year. Immediately afterwards my local university took down their DEI page, which was mostly focused on women, disability and immigrants, entirely. I’ve just noticed it’s back up but there’s no mention of disability or sex discrimination at all anymore. It’s all ‘gender identity’ and religion now, with every photo being either an obvious begendered person or a woman in hijab. Fuck those of us who aren’t in a cult, I guess?
I hope some TIM pisses off the wrong Muslim woman and the whole thing blows up. Unfortunately the hijabis who attend this university tend to be libfem handmaidens who combine their hijab with heavy makeup and high heels while chanting TWAW so even if a TIM demanded they take off their hijab in front of him and his ladyboner they’d probably comply. Bleak.
>>2473968I’m happy for you nonna but some of us would get fired for this. I have a lot of difficulty with wrong sex pronouns. My brain simply won’t do it. Where I work I could get seriously penalised for slipping up, so I try to avoid using pronouns for (or even talking about) these people at all, but I’ve been lowkey reprimanded for that as well. I’m lucky enough to have people in my personal life with whom I can be honest but if I
terf out at work, even mildly, I’ll probably lose my job. Taking refuge in ignorance only works once, if at all, and I know I wouldn’t be able to get away with it anymore since I’ve already been ‘educated’ too often.
No. 2474055
>>2473964That's nice to hear. I wish they'd avoid me tbh but hulkers could be scarily violent. I had a male friend from high school who trooned out and started talking about how he'd beat anyone who disagreed with him (not even related to his troonery, just altercations or fights in general). I ditched him but his gaggle of troonfriends were all the same. If they're a good sample then if I mention bring a
TERF around any potential troons I'm going to end up with a broken face unfortunately.
Hell, you can't even tell troons apart from normal moids anymore. So many troons wear full beards and mustaches, short hair and casual (male) clothing and expect you to know they're "female" as well.
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>>2474055This is going to sound tinfoily, but for someone like that, I would him ask him genuine sounding questions that sound vague and oblivious, with no hint of sarcasm or hatred, for example
>“If you were a woman, with the same body and all, who particularly would you beat? Could you beat them if you had the body of a woman?”>“Arent women less stronger than men though? Because they have different body mass?”Its going to sound like im stroking their ego, but when he realizes he cant answer those questions, it makes him question himself. The best time to nip troonism in the butt is when they are first starting out, since they aren’t fully ingrained in the troonism cult and cant repeat their loophole excuses so easily. You have to make them feel like they arent accepted. Because they truly arent. Or maybe less of a hassle is suddenly giving him weird looks like you’re uncomfortable and avoiding him a few days after he comes out to you about his troonism and never letting him know why when he asks. Makes them feel like bigfoot lmao. Im a veteran at this, psychological welfare with these freaks.
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ew, wtf
No. 2474276
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>>2474267Sure very few can look like women, they skinwalk thats the entire point but if he has a penis hes a man. Just a man who “looks” like a woman. Literally that simple. Also I looked this guy up and look at the height difference KEKKK. I wonder how he looks like under that full face of makeup.
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>>2474276Samefag, reminder of this image.
No. 2474301
>>2474289because they dont want to be sexualized.
Most TIFs troon out because they are traumatized from being seen as sexual objects as opposed to as human beings.
It's basically pickmeism in a different form (if I look male/ugly men will take me seriously)
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>>2474267>>2474276>>2474287i used to watch his videos a lot and when it came out he was trans i was surprised and confused. but that's likely because i didn't see any videos of him in the real world, he always just had his face/shoulders on camera and i thought he was a fat/wide woman with a lot of fillers (also i wasn't as good at clocking troons back when i watched his videos). after seeing pictures of him on eurovision and next to other people i was like "oh, yeah i definitely see it." not to mention how giant his head is. that man skull is huge.
he does seem slightly annoyed every time he brings up the trans thing on his videos (i assume PR forces him to constantly bring it up now that he's out and i tinfoil that he thinks he's better than other trannies and would have preferred to keep it a secret). but it's funny watching videos of him doing makeup on real women and he'll constantly say shit to them like "omg you're my twin!" to almost every single girl he does makeup for. like… cope fag, you look nothing like them at all. i do think he's good at makeup but he's an annoying fag and i kek looking back when he said that his husband didn't know he was trans when they met. dude's huge as fuck there's no way he didn't know, his husband seems like a total fag too
No. 2474433
>>2472705>terfs can never see a future without misogyny in it hmm that's a point more or less unique to blackpillers i think, but honestly it's not even wrong. there is no, and there hasn't really been, a culture based around matriarchy in all of human history. there's nowhere in the world that hasn't at one point posited women as (somehow) lesser and encoded that into its law systems/religion.
i do think if men didn't have physical strength over women + women weren't often shackled by spawn there could be a future where misogyny didn't exist (therefore it isn't really "inherent" to men, it's just male biology) but yeah, so long as this dynamic remains where the average male could concuss the average woman with a hard enough punch to the head we're always going to have sexism. that's just human nature to shit on the weak or perceived weak
No. 2474468
>>2474455Which leads us to pro tranny tip: if people perceive you as a plastic surgery and fashion
victim first, they might get too confused and afraid of being rude to question you.
No. 2474478
>>2472705>gender essentialismTrue and real, if you think it isn't you're delusional
>terfs hate being womenNot true at all lol
>Cis men are pretending to be women to go in our bathroomsTrue, some of them are, if you don't believe this is true you're delusional
>>2474433About what you said, kind of a controversial opinion but i'm not a blackpill tard and don't mix with them and i do believe in bioessentialism when it has to do with sex, men are inherently stronger than us and TEND to naturally be more violent, i don't think we will ever have a future free from misogyny or the patriarchy due to our biology, it doesn't have to do only with socialization.
No. 2474635
>>2474478>terfs hate being womenThis is a frustratingly common misconception among TRAs. I like being female, and I like the female aspects of my body. What I don't like is the seemingly endless ways society has been engineered to make women miserable, either by moids or by women who throw other women under the bus in an effort to please moids.
And in any case, even if someone "hates" being a woman, that doesn't make the male. It just means that they're struggling with self-acceptance in a culture that treats them like shit for what they innately are.
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>>2473892Seconding the anons who said both. I'm crypto, and I acknowledge that by engaging in preference falsification, I'm perpetuating the problem of women being afraid to push back on gender ideology. I do it because I love my job, which happens to be in one of the wokest possible sectors (charitable organization), and that's fundamentally a selfish (albeit justifiable) motivation. I'm certain being openly GC would harm my relationship with my brother who I'm close to, and one of my close childhood friends who recently TiF'd out. For me, the cost-benefit analysis just works out in favor of crypto.
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And the same woman's life will end at 41.
No. 2474689
One of the things that really skeeves me out about all this shit related to the workplace discussion and
>>2473926 is that you would never, or at the very most rarely, see anyone get the same amount of pushback against sexism or racism - the two things TRAs like to co-opt into their whole fucking charade despite doing absolutely nothing for those issues (except making them worse). Even the most fake woke idiots out there would basically just go "dang, that sucks mate" if you told them you felt you were in danger due to sexual harassment, but if a tranny whined about being "misgendered" the very same people would pick up the pitchforks before said tranny had finished his sentence.
I hate that you can spell this shit out to people and yet you can watch how their neurons are desperately fighting for their lives to make it all make sense, just for them to fall back into relying on good ol' cognitive dissonance out of convenience. I swear to god whatever is in the water is doing more than turning frogs gay.
No. 2475261
>>2473892It's both. Being crypto is a cowardly move, but it's also necessary in certain specific situations. I think whenever you are going to be cowardly about something you have to seriously weigh the pros and cons to see if it's worth it, since long term lying (to yourself and others) and cowardice harms you and breaks your spirit. For example, yes I think it's worth it to be crypto if you're 3 months from graduating law school but you have a pro-troon prof who will kick you out of school if you say something gender critical in his class. No, it's not worth it to start an entire 4-year degree that you know will largely revolve around validating troonshit and where you will have to do pro-gendie stuff in many of your classes and assignments on a daily basis. Yes it is worth it in the situation bathroom nonna was in where you are alone with a moid in an isolated place, but no it's not worth it to validate troons in public with other people around where your safety is ensured or to hang out in gendie friend groups pretending to agree with them. It's also surprisingly easy in most cases to not make it obvious you are a '
terf' without actually doing any troon pandering either; you can just refuse to respond to anything troon-related on social media for example, or just ignore them and leave in social situations most of the time without validating them or using preferred pronouns.
Yes it is always a bit cowardly and bad for your mental health to validate troons but it's still probably worth it in situations where your immediate safety is at risk or you only need to play along once or twice before getting out of the situation. Not worth it to put yourself in any long-term situation where you have to be crypto or have fake "friendships" reliant on lying about your views.
No. 2475319
>>2473892Online, or places where I won't get in trouble? I refuse to be crypto. I have no issue calling a TIM a porn addicted misogynist. I had a scrote voice chat with me once from some sort of art group thing, didn't know he was a TIM, he had a dudes voice. He freaked out when I called him a he. I proceeded to tell him how the fuck was I supposed to know he wanted to be called "she" when he sounded like a dude, then talked about how I loved Harry Potter until he blocked me.
Felt amazing. Would recommend.
But yeah, probably wouldn't talk about GC shit risking my job or some shit. I do remember at the post office some schizo methhead lady was screeching about troons. She scared me. But deep down I kind of love her. I bet if she was in that one nonas situation with the tim in the bathroom she would have ripped his face off.
No. 2475456
>>2475354NTA but she meant that the life of the man (who presumably turned into a woman) will end at 41. But the original tweet probably had nothing to do with trannies, since the account looks like a regular MRA propaganda account and trannies don't refer to themselves as men.
What's with certain posters making everything about trannies lately and posting irrelevant pics? Smells like autistic newfag.
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>>2473918>top 4 countries are all in Latin America Why is this? Genuinely asking. I would have thought Catholicism and local paganism would declare trooning a big no-no.
No. 2475500
>>2475498Troonism is literally the
result of rigid gender roles. Most of the people who troon out in LatAm countries are HSTSes, who believe that being GNC and gay means that they have a "woman's soul." It's the same reason why troons are more common in the U.S. south. Don't be decieved by the fact that troons grafted themselves onto the gay rights movement; the whole concept of "gender dysphoria" is predicated on conservative gender roles.
No. 2475517
>>2475498More conservative = more internalized homophobia = more HSTS moids.
Those countries are also incredibly pornsick, leading to a lot of AGPs.
No. 2475620
>>2475610How many women are that tall without a disorder? And I know that models are tall, but even they are usually not
that tall.
No. 2475628
>>2475615No woman, not even a tall one, looks like the creature in
>>2474276. The only people who would think "ah yes, this applies to tall women too" are autistic gendies and particularly schizo transvestigators. Not everything on this anonymous imageboard is a personal attack on you.
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>>2475537>>2475610>>2475615>>2475634Go back or lurk more, retard. Nobody said that tall = male, we're pointing out the fact that men are generally taller than women and that it's rare for a woman to reach 6ft or more. You're 5'8 which is taller than average for a woman, and Nikki is still half a foot taller than you. Even when a woman is tall she won't have all the male features that troons have, and she definitely won't have them if she's fat too. No tall woman in the world looks like picrel.
No. 2475955
>>2475900I know you're either baiting or a lost TRA tourist, but a part of me get where you're coming from and the frustration you feel as a tall woman so I'm going to try and meet you halfway, if not for you it's for other nonas that might have similar feelings. I'm a 5"10 woman with an even taller mother, none of us have ever gotten mistaken for men - mom even has a VERY domineering aura and zero curves, yet no one has ever second guessed her gender for even a second. Trannies, however, have mistaken me as one of them on more than one occasion because of my height (and poor posture, probably).
While I agree that some anons on lolcow sometimes have ridiculous standars when it comes to other women, it is very clear what nonnies mean when they talk about certain traits ITT. When they talk about troons with "mannish" traits it's in comparison to the average woman, not compared to us that happened to be born with one or two of these traits. Because no matter how much I bulk up, my body would never be close to looking like my male coworker of similar height, even if he decided to put on a wig and call himself Suzy tomorrow. I can become a complete anachan and even in my most starved state it would still be clear as day who's the woman if I stood right next to Dylan Mulvaney. I know that, and nonnies ITT know that. Because in the end it's not about neither you or me, even when the arguments are taken to the extreme.
No. 2475993
>>2475628Nikkie is from the Netherlands, a country where people are generally taller than average. I live there and imo 6’2 isn’t particularly tall for a man. I know many men who are 6’5 or 6’6. It’s tall for a woman, but not freakishly so.
That said, Nikkie being trans was an open secret or at least a persistent rumour here for YEARS before he came out. It’s not just that he’s tall “for a woman”, he has male body proportions and a male gait. These are things that are easy to hide on camera but impossible not to notice, even subconsciously, in real life. Humans are capable of subconsciously clocking someone’s sex based purely on how their joints move. Saying that he’s obviously a man because of his height is an oversimplification, but saying that he was impossible to clock is downright false.
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>>2475615Some women
can be tall, But on average men are taller than women. Thats why they are so obvious when they try to look like women. At the end of the day, the tall woman has a uterus and the tall man has a penis.
A square can be a rectangle, but a rectangle cannot be a square
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>>2475718This. Also its so easy to differentiate a TIM from a masculine looking woman, pic rel is proof. When was the last time you mistaken a hulking man in a dress for a buff woman?
No. 2476030
>>2476021You forgot genetic abnormalities Nonna. Intersex women are
valid.
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>>2476030Not if they have balls
No. 2476099
>>2474929Please spill the tea on how it went afterwards nona
>>2473892>is being crypto a cowardly move Not an attack on you nona, but I think it's unfair to call women cowards for being crypto. We're the one losing our rights to perverted violent men who overpower us. Staying silent is a survival tactic, it's not really "cowardly" to not get into fights you know you will lose. It's the men who are silent who are cowards, men who KNOW those perverted fellow men in dresses are not women in any way shape or form but still choose to pretend they are and let them keep hurting women.
No. 2476578
>>2476099Not standing up for what's right because you're (rightfully) afraid of consequences is pretty much the definition of cowardice. From wikipedia for e.g.
>Cowardice is a characteristic wherein excessive fear prevents an individual from taking a risk or facing danger. Yes it is cowardly to avoid danger as a 'survival tactic' knowing that the right thing to do would be to stand up against something. Men who are silent are even more cowardly than women who are silent but it doesn't mean it's not cowardice for women to play along. After all it is our rights that we are losing because of these moids, not men's rights, so realistically it is our battle to fight because moids rarely fight women's battles for us.
>>2476036TIFs don't have balls lmao.
>>2476550They're dying on this hill because trite culture wars bullshit is basically the only thing differentiating them from the other economically neoliberal party. It's been pointed out before but a lot of this idpol bullshit started right after Occupy and the 2008 recession.
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>>2476578Reminds me of this. I guess its kind of true. I wish there was a 3rd party that was just normal.
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Ghoulish, abysmal post algorithm tossed at me. As I’m sure it happens to other nerdy nonnies it reads me as a tranny because I like videogame/anime posts and shovels it onto me, despite me always hiding those posts and having every gender keyword blacklisted. Made me actually gasp in horror. Didn’t watch the whole thing because just this first two seconds made me so horrified. Can’t believe that someone with physical health this visibly compromised is allowed to take exogenous hormones and self mutilate. I think the intersection of hating your body because it hurts and you feel like shit and trannyism being a cure-all solution to any discomfort about your body isn’t talked about and it makes me tinfoil this is for eugenics and they target the “undesirables”.
I love to laugh at fragile tifs and seething hons but this made me upset, I fucking hate this timeline.
No. 2476784
>>2476578>Not standing up for what's right because you're (rightfully) afraid of consequences is pretty much the definition of cowardice.It's not always the "right" thing to do though. Sometimes the "right" thing is to choose to instead protect your kids and bringing them to safety rather than to knowingly provoke and enrage the troon in front of you who might harm them and you just to prove a point. And sometimes the "right" thing is to slowly and gently peak your friends over time rather than to alienate them by being aggressively terfy right away so they cut you off and never peak at all. It's just not that black or white because humans are more complex than that.
And by the definition you give of it I would say it's not "excessive fear" to fear the very real harsh consequences people get for opposing trans ideology. Just like it's not cowardice to not want to jump off a cliff, it's normal judgment of the consequences. The fear is typically reasonable, not excessive. There ARE situations when people are cowards in regards to troonism, but I don't think just choosing to be crypto is usually it. If anything it's the pre-peaked people/handmaidens who are cowards. Even when they have doubts they fear just hearing the other side out, even though it costs nothing, they never have to tell anyone they even did it, and they're still more than free to disagree with everything they hear. THAT is excessive fear, imo. I think that's true cowardice, and trans ideology knowingly grooms people into that mindset.
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>>2476636The economic exploitation of immigrants (which pretty much automatically happens to most people who emigrate to the U.S.) and identitarianism are in greater conflict with leftist political thought than people fully realize. In the U.S., race has been weaponized by union-busters for a very long time. Sowing division between working-class people of different races makes them less likely to unite against the wealthy. I've tinfoil on Jacobin about how union busters will try to encourage social justice types to join unions and SPA groups, because they know that the SJWs will push for things like reparations and divide people by race, ultimately undermining the goals of the institutions. It doesn't matter whether the emphasis on race is motivated by bigotry or by undoing historic injustice– it hurts unions and causes infighting among the working class.
Bernie Sanders has had a "conservative" stance on immigration for a long time, expressly because it puts downward pressure on wages and is exploitative of the people coming to the U.S. to flee poverty/violence. Even when the workers are being paid the same as their U.S.-born counterparts (such as in the case of H1B visa holders) they're still being exploited, because companies will knowingly use fear of deportation as a means of making higher demands like unpaid overtime. In a country where there are no legal consequences for corporations that take advantage of people in this manner, being pro-immigration is fundamentally a libertarian stance, not a leftist one.
Finally, you have gendershit. Gender ideology is not at all compatible with Marxism, contrary to what a lot of Breadtube retards will tell you. Engels understood that misogyny is fundamentally the product of land as a form of capital. When humans were nomadic, it was pretty much a toss-up whether a tribe would be matrilinial or patrilinial, with some anthropologists positing that the former may have actually been more common. Systemic misogyny as we know it came into being when agrarianism and land created a material incentive for males to want to control their progeny, which meant that a man had to ensure that his wife's children were his own. Confining a woman to the home and restricting her sex life is how you accomplish this. With all this in mind, you can see why Marx and Engels endorsed egalitarianism. They would certainly have opposed surrogacy on this basis. Transition allows the wealthy (and males) to recuse themselves of responsibility for their injustices against the working class (and women) by "converting" to a "marginalized group" while still maintaining all of their capital and even benefiting from capitalist exploitation in the form of cheap consumer goods that "validate" their identity. It is very much a bourgeoisie indulgence, the kind of self-obsessed, anti-collectivist solipsism that Marx and Engels reviled.
TL;DR there is nothing fundamentally "un-leftist" about opposing gender ideology, immigration, and identitarianism. Capital is the means by which the empowered maintain the status quo; class-first policy is how you dismantle injustices that affect women and racial minorities.
No. 2476830
>>2476030"
Valid" is a meaningless term. What the fuck does "
valid" mean in this context? The better thing to say would be that "intersex cases are unique and must be evaluated on a case-by-case basis." Imane Khalif is a good example: she was born with a vagina and was therefore wholly raised as a woman in a highly patriarchal culture, meaning that she is subject to most of the same injustices as a non-intersex woman. However, she has internal testes, and benefits from the
physiological privileges associated with maleness, meaning that it is unsafe to place her in women's-only sporting leagues. But again, situations like hers are rare, which is why they
can be examined on a more granular level like that. I think that's part of why the Olympics discourse broke a lot of anons' brains; we're so used to having to be absolutist in our positions, because when we give trannies an inch, they take a mile. But it's not intersex people's fault that their plight has been hijacked by troons (even if some of them are troon-enablers), so I think it's acceptable to make some concessions when it comes to people like Khalif, who presumably didn't know she was male until she was an adult, and who likely experienced a lot of misogyny as she grew up in a Muslim-majority country.
No. 2476866
>>2476784I see your point anon but
>the "right" thing is to choose to instead protect your kids and bringing them to safety rather than to knowingly provoke and enrage the troon in front of youdoes not require being a crypto
terf in your daily life it just requires having the self preservation instinct to exit a specific dangerous situation. I'm not saying people should be as aggressively open with their terven views as possible in every conceivable situation, I'm saying that yes it is 'cowardice' to be crypto even if there are situations in which it makes more sense/very little would be gained from always saying what you think. I'm not a crypto
terf in my real life but I would also try to get to safety in some random irl situation where a giant hon was accosting me in a locker room or something; that's the safer and reasonable thing to do but it doesn't mean you have to go through your whole life being secretive about your beliefs to everybody.
>to slowly and gently peak your friends over time rather than to alienate them by being aggressively terfy right awaySure but I don't think there's a binary spectrum between being 'crypto'/pretending to believe in gendie shit and being 'aggressively terfy right away.' In reality there's a huge range of options between those two things and your 'gently peaking your friends' example is somewhere in the middle - you can do that without pretending to agree with genderism in the first place.
>it's not "excessive fear" to fear the very real harsh consequences people get for opposing trans ideology.No, I agree with you, it's not. But at the same time no army of pure-hearted moid angels is going to descend from the sky to defend womankind from genderism so if we want to fight it we need to get over the fear and stand up for our own rights. It's not 'jumping off a cliff' to stand up for yourself; in fact I'd argue it's the opposite - living your life actively pretending to believe in gender ideology and going along with it in most situations is more like jumping off a cliff. Imagine subbing in some other 'scary' situation for genderism, like for example Nazi or Soviet rule, or Jim Crow, etc. and ask yourself if it was justified and non-cowardly for people to try to live 'normal' lives by going along with fascism, racism, or stalinism. At some point someone has to do something and we know moids won't, and the only way to make it safer for other women is to stop pretending to be a handmaiden around other women just because we're scared.
No. 2476875
>>2474639The Australian navy allows it for women if they claim psychological distress. When this story broke I remember it was framed as all about a woman who was bullied for being flat-chested and everyone thought she should just suck it up.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2007-09-16/navy-confirms-subsidised-breast-implants/670850Of course we now pay for our precious trannies claiming psychological distress too:
https://www.9news.com.au/national/taxpayers-funding-adf-breast-enhancements-and-gender-reassignment/a0ce1091-0831-4152-a265-0bf5fdd3b95c>>2475582I wonder how many of those people don't know that transgenderism is an umbrella term. So they read the question as "Do you know a post-op transsexual?" and not "Do you know a crossdresser or a woman with masculine/magic pronouns?". I don't know any transsexuals but I know three crossdressers, three Aidens and three enbies.
No. 2476883
>>2476877ntayrt but exactly this. Despite what some people (even here on lolcow) say, this is also why 'the left left me' narratives actually do convince me, because a lot of long-term leftists who actually still believe in and even fight for leftist economic policy etc. are now considered alt-right just by virtue of having been canceled in a purity politics spree by some idpol-based group. Half the time I don't even take it seriously anymore when someone says 'X person is a conservative' because people are called conservative for the most spurious possible reasons, and it's why I don't like the bipartisan political model of politics in general. I know plenty of people who are in every possible way more aligned with 'classic' leftist politics than average who are considered 'far right' by our peers just because they disagreed with one minor tenet of trendy identity politics on facebook once and got excommunicated by their entire friend group and/or professional circle.
The problem with 'why are the Democrats (or insert other 'liberal/leftist' political party from any other TRA-infested country) still pushing the troon shit?' questions is that actually the answer IS that simple, it really is just because idpol trumps everything else in common political discourse. That's literally it. Radfems have been fighting a losing battle for decades insisting that we're doing anti-idpol the right way, the leftist way, under the auspices of Marxist materialist thought. No one else in the 'leftist' political sphere sees dyed-in-the-wool radfems as anything other than conservative because 'biological sex is real' is considered one of the most fundamentally conservative political positions of our modern era.
No. 2476907
>>2476888What do you imagine to be a 'position of privilege' in this case and what in your opinion would be the 'non-privileged' position? Like concretely what do you think or what would you guess differentiates me from the other nonnas who might argue the opposite point? I'm just really curious what a position of privilege would even mean in this context - obviously women in the third world who can't even work are underpriveleged compared to Western women, but they're probably also not the ones having to pretend to believe in gendershit.
>Not wanting to get fired or socially ostracizedIs a reality for everyone. It was the same reality for people who opposed Nazis, Stalinists or Jim Crow. That's my point.
>I have to exist in societyWe all do but this is also a question of what kind of society we have to exist in.
>you should be able to acknowledge there are a spectrum of life circumstances that make it fundamentally unsafe to not be crypto for someI did acknowledge that, but that doesn't mean that being crypto isn't fundamentally related to cowardice. Of course specific situations will vary but the main reason women who have already been peaked stay crypto is cowardice - I'm saying this having been a coward in some situations myself. I can still acknowledge it is cowardice. Of course I don't think anyone should 'be a hero' in any situation where their immediate safety is at risk and where there is essentially no benefit to airing your opinions, but most of the time when we're talking about being crypto we're not talking about those specific situations.
>It's weird to morally grandstand about thisI'm not morally grandstanding, another anon asked our opinions about being crypto or not and I shared mine. Yes I believe in the long run it's doing more harm to participate in gender-handmaidenry as a sex class while also understanding the reason women tend to do that is because it's hard not to. Are you suggesting that it wasn't okay to go along with racial segregation but it is okay to go along with the oppression of women? I was just giving other examples where it was hard and dangerous to be open about your beliefs but where it was also the courageous thing to do so.
No. 2476935
>>2476917That's a cute assumption nonna but I actually have experienced both what it was like to (temporarily) lose my livelihood AND to (permanently) lose a social circle due to standing up for my beliefs. I also ended up regretting neither. I also never demanded 'ideological purity' from anyone, I just pointed out that playing along with moid handmaidenry when you know better is cowardice even if it's justifiable cowardice (justifiable cowardice does exist).
>What are you even gaining by calling everyone a coward?The original question I was responding to was
>>2473892 which asked the following:
>Curious about nonnie opinions: is being crypto a cowardly move or is it often unfortunately necessary? And if necessary, to what extent/why?My response is that it is a cowardly move but it is also sometimes necessary. The two can coexist. But I also don't think that 'picking your battles' is being a crypto-
TERF per se; my understanding of being 'crypto' is that you essentially completely hide your lack of belief in genderism socially except with maybe 1-2 friends or on anonymous internet accounts, and that you 'play along' in public the rest of the time. I wouldn't call someone who just mostly avoids conversations about the topic and isn't an activist 'crypto' so you may have a different definition than me. I personally have not regretted speaking out about my real views even once, but I have frequently regretted the times that I 'played along' and they still haunt me.
>It's a really gross false equivalency to bring up historical examples where people were rounded up to be killed in gas chambers or subjected to insane violenceI don't think so. You seem to be admitting that those people actually experienced MORE severe consequences than your average modern
TERF does for speaking up about their real views, so on the contrary if anything if the consequences those people experienced were more severe, then being crypto is less justifiable in comparison. I brought up those examples to point out that there were many situations in history where people experienced extremely severe consequences for standing up against the mainstream view, but modern people would still consider those who didn't stand up cowardly in comparison.
It's clear you can't actually come up with concrete examples of how you 'think' I'm coming from this from a position of privilege (other than just assuming I have never experienced consequences), but here I'll give a couple of scenarios explaining why I think this is important:
Scenario 1:
>95% of women are too afraid to speak up against genderism because they could lose a job or their social circle; instead they use preferred pronouns, pretend to agree with genderist laws and norms in public>Genderist laws continue to get passed with apparent 'mass' support of women, legally defining women out of existence and taking away 100+ years of women's legal rights in (country X), it is now socially acceptable for males to be open sexual predators in formerly female-exclusive spaces — you are here>With passing of genderist laws and apparent mass support, it becomes increasingly dangerous to speak up, even casually/privately about your discomfort with these laws >You will lose all your friends and every single job or educational opportunity if you even do something as mild as using someone's name instead of their preferred pronouns when talking about them at work or on social media, you can lose your job or social circle just for not reblogging a pro-trans meme on twitter>The mere idea of women's rights disappears both legally and socially, the ~5% of women who are courageous enough to speak out suffer immediate depersoning and possibly jailScenario 2:
>60% of women casually refuse to play along with or pretend they believe in genderist bullshit; they might say 'oh yea I love your hair too' to the hon cornering them in the bathroom but they don't use preferred pronouns in their job/classes/hobby group>They experience some social censure from this and lose some friends but other friends quietly tell them they agree, and they form their own splinter groups that don't include troons>More and more women are unwilling to publicly support genderist laws and social norms; they boycott spaces where troons are allowed in women's spaces and ask pointed questions in classes or at work>Government tries to pass laws eliminating the legal status of women and enough women have talked to each other that they loudly protest and post on social media saying they disagree with it, refuse to vote for politicians who prioritize it>Even most of the stragglers who aren't troons themselves realize this isn't a winning issue and drop it>Women's rights still have a legal basis and there are plenty of social and professional spaces where it's fine not to pretend that men are womenIt is much easier for a lot of people being lowkey not-crypto to create positive change than it is for a tiny percentage of extremely brave outliers being highkey not-crypto to create positive change. You can say 'I don't want to martyr myself, personally' and variants all you want but the more people act crypto in most situations (aka are handmaidens, but 'because they're scared,' but nonetheless) the less need there is for some women to actually martyr themselves. A lot of people quietly saying 'no I will not do it' in a lowkey way, the less power the opposition has over us. The more people pretending to agree, the more power the opposition has over us. It's really fundamentally simple. I think we should all pick our battles but there's a point at which no battles are happening and that's where I think it becomes increasingly dangerous for the few rather than increasingly safe for the many.
No. 2476951
>>2476883Before the trans shit became more popular, I considered myself a left aligned person. I believe in gay rights and abortion rights and equal pay for women, that will never change. Nowadays, anyone critical of the trans movement will be called conservative, no matter what their actual beliefs are. And that's why everyone has to either become an ally and echo everything trans people say or suck it up and become the boogeyman. There's no middle ground, everyone sees men in dresses as oppressed, so if you disagree with them you're a bully.
One day they will run out of people to call out. Everyone they have called out will join forces and say: enough is enough. It's already happening, and now they're all cancelling each other like crazy. I'm waiting for the day all people develop critical thinking skills and stop entertaining this bullshit, specially when it comes to science and women's health.
No. 2476989
>>2476946My reaction to the whole biosex is real thing being equated to conservatism is just not to worry about being called conservative. My mom calls me a Marxist commie and other people I know call me an evil alt-right fascist, these labels have no meaning to me anymore. Whenever you don't 100% agree with someone's ideology they will use some 'slur' that means the opposite of whatever they are. It really doesn't matter and we should stop thinking these meaningless terms have power over us. On the other hand, there are words with concrete meanings that are necessary to preserve for legal and scientific reasons, like 'woman' and 'female.' They shouldn't be used lightly. I'm not gonna budge on that but I'm also not gonna care when people are calling me alt-right and marxist-commie simultaneously within the same week.
>>2476951At this point what is even so bad about 'becoming the boogeyman'? Oh no, I'm the evil boogeyman who knows what the female sex is and cares about fellow women. It's not like most people actually see men in dresses as super oppressed, they just pretend to because everyone else is pretending to. I never would have known how many of my kweer leftist artiste friends are actually secret terves if I had acted crypto around them, but it turns out most of them have at least some of the same reservations I do. Literally NO ONE, and I mean zero (0) people, actually believe that males can be female or vice versa. Yes, that includes troons themselves.
>they will run out of people to call out. Exactly. As you said it is already happening. Purity spirals always end up in everyone participating being on the losing end because there is no solidarity in a purity spiral. People who exited the purity spiral have been out there building real supportive communities that get shit done, whereas people still clinging to the purity-spiraling communities are just one accidental wrong word away from having no community at all.
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>>2476829High quality post. I feel like 80% of 'leftists' these days have not read a single page of Marx and the rest are too high on Foucault to parse together a single intelligible sentence, thinking it makes them sound smart and cool. Meanwhile the neolibs are busy tearing down workers' rights everywhere, and the left is too stupid to even realise this because clearly if you're against Foodora being able to exploit immigrants for cheap labor it means you're a bad bad racist.
No. 2477010
>>2476935Oh wow, so glad that your loss of work was temporary and you feel that gives you the moral authority
to judge other people's level of action and now feel entitled to call anyone who is experiencing that in a very real and very long term way a coward. It's not constructive behavior. Do you think that the people who helped people escape Nazi Germany or American chattel slavery were cowards for hiding their convictions for the protection and safety of those whose lives they ended up saving? I'm not reading your whole wall of text because I'm so fucking tired of purity tests in every space I try to have a discussion about real life, not like what perfect behavior should be in a vacuum.
At the end of the day, you are sowing division that is not helpful for anything you want to accomplish, even if that isn't your intention. And the fact that you think that
temporarily losing work is akin to not working for years show again that you are extremely privileged and have never known the poverty that comes from long time job loss and social ostracization. Which is completely possible in progressive and left leaning cities (ask me how I know) because trannies are the most oppressed beings in the whooole universe even if there are 5 of them to every 500 battered women.
No. 2477016
>>2477010>so glad that your loss of work was temporaryMe too! I had to go through the loss and the whole rebuilding process to know if it would be. Do you have many examples of women who have permanently lost all their job prospects just for not being crypto enough in every area of their lives? The cool thing is that the more women stand up against this the fewer of us will have to lose our jobs over it in the future.
>you feel that gives you the moral authority It doesn't give me 'moral authority,' it's just a fact that standing up for what is right when it is unpopular is hard and scary, and requires courage, while not standing up for what is right when it is unpopular is cowardly, even if it's easier. I'm not speaking from a place of 'moral authority,' I'm making an argument based on facts and reality. You were the one who claimed I must never have suffered any personal or professional losses for standing up for my beliefs, I was just responding.
>anyone who is experiencing that in a very real and very long term way a cowardI was very clear that I myself have also acted in a cowardly manner about this at times, and sometimes it is reasonable to act cowardly. You seem to be getting very upset about the use of the word 'cowardly', but again, it's just reality. I can own up to the fact that I displayed cowardice at times too, but I also regret many of those instances. If you never display bravery, you're not going to know what the benefits of it are. There can always be a hypothetical worst case scenario you can imagine, but it usually won't come to pass when a lot of people actually agree with you.
>It's not constructive behavior. So what is constructive? Are you arguing that everyone who disagrees with TRA activism pretending to agree with it is, broadly, constructive?
>Do you think that the people who helped people escape Nazi Germany or American chattel slavery were cowards for hiding their convictions for the protection and safety of those whose lives they ended up saving?Uh no. But clearly they weren't 'crypto' all the time either, otherwise how would they have helped?
>I'm so fucking tired of purity testsHow and where did I 'purity test' you by simply talking about the reality that if women don't stand up for our rights then we will lose them? Do you know what a 'purity test' is? Did I say that crypto-gencrit women aren't gender critical? I don't think I said that.
>you are sowing divisionNo I'm not lmao. You're the one having a conniption fit about an anonymous imageboard user answering a question asked candidly by another anonymous imageboard user. You tried to accuse me of being 'privileged' and not understanding the stakes and now you're getting upset that I said I understand and experienced them.
>anything you want to accomplishAgain, serious question, how do you think gender critical women will 'accomplish' gender critical political goals by all being crypto? It seems like you are hoping that if 99% of gender critical women are crypto, the other 1% will martyr themselves for your cause. I'm advancing the idea that if most gender critical women were only moderately crypto and only in certain situations, it would accomplish a lot more than expecting a tiny minority to martyr themselves. Again, that's the opposite of 'purity politics.' I'm advancing an argument about class consciousness.
>temporarily losing work is akin to not working for yearsI temporarily lost work for years, to be clear. Around 2 years.
>and have never known the povertyI have lived in poverty for the vast majority of my life
>completely possible in progressive and left leaning citiesI live in probably one of the top three most progressive and left leaning cities in the world. It would be hard to imagine a city more troon-obsessed than the city I live in, honestly. And still when I stepped out on a limb and acted less crypto it turned out many of the 'left leaning' people around me actually agreed.
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>Have assignment for Japanese class where I work with two partners, one from the USA and one from Japan
>American partner is not only a weeb but a tranny with a really cringy name
>Ohgodnowhy
>Tranny has stringy hair and a horrible falsetto voice that he uses to go on insane tangents
>Tranny asks Japanese partner verbatim if he likes CGDCT anime and Vtubers
>Japanese partner is very normie and has no fucking idea what the tranny is talking about
>That certainly doesn't stop troon from explaining everything to him
>Tranny keeps interrupting me to sperg out and recommend really weird otaku anime to our normie partner who said he only watches anime sometimes
>Troon randomly pivots to how English music is inferior to Japanese music
>Starts talking out of his ass about how "Japanese Music Theory" is better than "American Music Theory" which doesn't make any sense but I've held my tongue this whole time.
>We're supposed to be speaking in English so our partner can practice
>I tell the tranny, a native English speaker born and raised in the USA, to get back on-topic and let our partner have an opportunity to practice English
>He says its more natural for him to speak in Japanese. It's apparently hard to switch to English because it's a broken language that can't convey how he really feels.
>At this point I'm contorting my fucking face trying not to laugh
>Normie partner is just nodding at the tranny like he's being held at gunpoint
Weebs in Japanese programs are annoying but tranny weebs are on a completely new level.
No. 2477201
>>2477181kek
>identifies as a woman>identifies with japanese culture more than american>can't relate to IRL women or japanese people absolute classic
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Do asexuals face any kind of discrimination? I keep hearing them cry about it but.. where is it? I never seen a “asexualphobe” go “LOOK, THE OBESE FURRY DOESN’T WANT TO HAVE SEX, GET THEM!”. I find it hard to imagine anyone including their parents gives a fuck they don’t have sex.
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This screenshot sums up all of the trans “community”
>I feel like my biological sex
>No you dont
No. 2477293
>>2477251I also would describe myself as asexual, I was shamed all my life, by guys (obviously) and women alike for not being interested in fucking. I think I am autistic, tho. I am an older millenial, so calling someone prude when I grew up was usus.
>>2477272I get what you mean,
nonnie. I am in the asexual sub on reddit, and this shite sub is overrun with people who do and enjoy sex on the regular, or are poly, trans, or whatever. You are not allowed to state your ambivalent feelings towards sex without being forced to basically excuse yourself towards people who enjoy sex. The "I, myself, enjoy sex with my partners, we do it every other day, but I would consider myself asexual" - "Yeah, say no more fam, welcome in this sub".
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>>2477267>>2476943i just checked his wiki to see if the medical evidence was mentioned and surprise surprise it has still been completely ignored (carefully worded as 'not published' whilst implying the evidence doesn't exist at all), and they are still claiming he is born a woman kek.
No. 2477300
>>2477272>And secondly who the fuck cares if youre asexual if not your partnerI think about this with bisluts. Caring about what does and does not attract you when you're in a relationship is just admitting you see this relationship as a fleeting thing that will end one day and you're just wasting everyone's time.
Les/Gay/Straight identify as their current partner so bis are just roping in this entire not-their-partner group as if they don't care how long they're going to be with their current partner.
It's fine for trying to cast a net and date but not once your in a relationship, it's nasty.
Although I can see why someone dating a normie that troons out suddenly calls themselves bi, it's still retarded just on both ends.
No. 2477313
>>2477301>>2477300This. If i was in a relationship with a guy and he suddenly came out as bi i would drop him right there. Not only does that show me that youre a faggot, But it also shows me that you “potentially” think about other men while you are with me which is gay and cringe as fuck.
I think bisexuality should only be talked about on dating pools and sites. If a guy tells me hes bisexual im going to think he is a manwhore and a wimp.
No. 2477318
>>2476943>>2477298>he clearly lives and has lived for a long time as a man in AlgeriaDo you have proof of this? I recall seeing childhood photos of Khalif dressed as a girl. If we have sources to substantiate the claim that he/she/they lived as a boy before allegedly finding out about the DSD at the Olympics, I'll amend what I said.
But it seems to me like Khalif was born in a developing country where the doctors/parents would have seen a vagina (a blind one, granted) and went, "Okay, this is a girl," and raised the kid that way, even though it made less sense as Khalif grew up without developing breasts or menstruating. People said that the ability to play soccer and boxing were exclusive to boys, but there are actual female boxers and soccer players from Algeria, so I'm not sure that makes sense. Additionally, while Khalif is male, x-rays and blood tests are what prove that, not his/her appearance. There are adrenal issues in non-DSD women than present similarly, with the person lacking a period, having a large clitoris, negligible breast tissue, etc. It's insane though that Khalif's parents (who were apparently cousins or something, go figure) didn't think to have testing done in light of these irregularities. People compared this to the David Reimer situation, but Reimer's parents knew he was male the moment he was born; there was no ambiguity there.
TL;DR I consider Khalif male, but whether he/she was raised female remains to be seen. With the level of complexity involved here, you can see why my stance on intersex conditions is to evaluate them individually independent of gender ideology or strict categorization.
No. 2477320
>>2477235Sorry for the long-format rambling following:
If you meet a dude and tell him upfront you don't enjoy sex and it is not important for you in a relationship, they just say "yes yes, I understand" and then try to force you the whole time into having sex with them. Like if they can fix you. Same goes for "friendships" with men. Women then tell you, the man is right (as in, they understand them).
I don't understand where it comes from (I can only hazard a guess) but yes, people are for some reason bothered when they hear that someone doesn't want sex in their life or doesn't make it to the most important thing.
I see sexual attraction and romantic feelings as something that can exists without each other. So, I could fuck some rando, if I wanted, too. But it is not worth the hassle for me. It's on my priorities list very low.
I can imagine, that married people, get raped, if they don't want to participate in sex. I have seen how dudes fly off the handle if they don't get what they want, after all the manipulation attempts. I can't speak for men that describe themselves as asexual, but as a woman ace, it is hard out there. I don't date, I have no nerves for this shit. I just want my peace. Would I like to share it with someone, yes, but dating moids is already a hassle if you are sexually active, imagine if you don't provide this to them. But makes it fast to weed out the shit, I guess. I had never a dude that reacted gracefully to the fact - and they went into a relationship with me, knowing full well I was not interested in sex.
tl;dr: Yes, people face discrimination, not in a sense of workplace or what, but in a social group/relationship setting, people react most time pretty crass for some reason.
If it wasn't obvious enough, I do not include fetishist in my view of asexualism. Furries should be discriminated to hell, they are creepy af.
No. 2477327
>>2477235No. Intentional, self-imposed celibacy is considered noble. No one is discriminated for it. People don't go around saying that the Pope should be arrested for
not having sex kek.
No. 2477341
>>2477327I should've applied for the position of Pope, then? I would go down in history a the first catholic cleric, who actually is celibate.
>>2477329It is so annoying when you can't show affection or experiment a bit without having them so extremly aroused that they fly off the handle if you don't suck their dick or fuck them.
(Damn the flood detection, I just wanted to quote the right post)
No. 2477345
>>2477339>>2477337I often thought, being a nun in a convent must be so calm. I guess it depends on the type of convent.
Like, caring for the herb garden, eating nice self-grown food. Reading the whole day (not the bible, though). I see sometimes the nuns here in my city. When they come shopping from Woolworth's or so, kek.
No. 2477508
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>>2477318NTA but considering he looks, acts, and sounds like a man, it's just a logical conclusion that he has been living as a man for a long time. Society stopped perceiving him as a little girl once he went through male puberty, so people who didn't know him probably assumed he's a man. If you look through his Instagram, you'll see that his style is generally masculine, and he's only been hamming up the "look at me, wearing dainty dresses and makeup like the lady I am" for obvious reasons in the past months. His latest post is him manspreading in a caftan, it's actually pretty funny to see how male his body language is, which is another hint to him only considering himself a woman when it comes to competing in sport. Even if he was completely oblivious and thought he was a normal woman (doubt it), in my opinion, if he wasn't perceived as one by most of society, then he was inadvertendly living as a man.
>People said that the ability to play soccer and boxing were exclusive to boysIIrc, he was specifically allowed to do these things while actual girls from his hometown weren't.
No. 2477566
>>2477300Dumb take, do lesbians and gay people and straight people all stop having a sexuality if they're single and not actively dating? Your entire life doesn't revolve around one partner, you don't change your sexuality every time you're dating a new person like putting on a new set of clothes. This is exactly what's wrong with idpol and genderism, the idea that you can just 'identify' as whatever at any given time and put on and take off said identities as you wish. There are only three options for sexuality, gay, straight, and bisexual, and you will always be the one you are.
People 'coming out' as bi when in straight relationships with great fanfare or going to pride with their straight partners or whatever is obnoxious, but knowing your sexuality isn't. It's extremely obnoxious on the other hand to define people by their current romantic partner as if their past doesn't exist and all their formative experiences don't matter. Similar to the idea of troonism actually where you just decide to put on a dress one day and wow, now you're a woman despite having always been male.
>>2477301People say they're 'proudly' bi for the same reason they say they're 'proudly' gay - they're not closeted. Having the ability to be attracted to both sexes is not automatically lack of devotion to your partner, and if you want to know what sexuality guarantees cheating and lack of devotion the most it's being a gay male anyway. Stop falling for the psyop that women are hypersexual cheaters just because they like women more than the average amount.
>>2477320People (especially romantic partners) being bothered that you don't make sex a priority isn't oppression/discrimination though. Pretty much every woman who has a male partner for long enough will experience the same shit anyway even if it's to a smaller degree since many moids' entire existence revolves around being a sex pest.
>but as a woman ace, it is hard out there. I don't dateYeah, why would you date if you don't want an intimate/sexual relationship? It's a good thing you're not dating. Platonic love is what friends are for. None of what you described sounds like discrimination, it just sounds like you were trying to get into sexual relationships when you don't like them, and it was causing problems. Moids will be rude to any woman who says no for any reason, whether she has trauma that caused her to avoid sex entirely or not.
No. 2477582
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>>2477318>my stance on intersex conditions is to evaluate them individuallyBut we know which individual intersex condition Khelif has, and it's a male intersex condition that caused him to develop as a normal male. There's no more need to 'see' anything else.
>People said that the ability to play soccer and boxing were exclusive to boys, but there are actual female boxers and soccer players from AlgeriaHe and his family said that in their (rural, conservative) town, no one let the girls play outside. That doesn't mean there are no female athletes from Algeria. His appearance is a male one (no women look male) so it is in fact one of the things that 'prove' he's male, although there's also chromosomal and hormonal proof.
>There are adrenal issues in non-DSD women than present similarlyNo, there aren't any adrenal issues in women that turn them into phenotypical males. Khelif's parents didn't have 'testing' done because they knew their son was male - if not at birth then at puberty for sure. What testing would they need to do? Did your parents ever take you for 'testing' to confirm that you're female?
>>2477331It's not a tinfoil, nonna. There's a whole cottage industry of recruiting males with DSDs for women's categories. That's why they had to ban them in certain running sports. They especially did it with African athletes but China also had these situations where multiple medalists or all the medalists in track and field events were males who knew they were males (but likely had some loophole like a minor DSD at birth that allowed them to compete). China was likely doing this because multiple African countries were winning every international competition so they wanted in on the medals (picrel), but shortly afterward the intersex athlete ban was imposed on mid distance running.
>>2477508Everyone forgets about Lin Yu-Ting, the other male who won gold in women's boxing at the last olympics, but Lin Yu-Ting is even more obvious (didn't do the fake 'I totally wear dresses I swear' retcon on his social media after the olympics, just continued presenting as 100% male, posting pictures of him training with the men's boxing team, etc). Imane Khelif just got more attention (I guess because of the 'people think African women are masculine and this is racism' angle plus the 'omg he's from a poor country and didn't know' angle which wouldn't apply to Taiwan) so he made some cursory effort to crossdress for a few photo-ops but Yu-Ting didn't even do that much lmao and everyone was fine with him beating up a woman and getting Olympic boxing gold.
No. 2477613
>>2477582There's no more need to 'see' anything else.
I'm not disputing that Khalif is male. What I'm trying to say is that it's a unique case where you could genuinely argue that he/she experienced some systemic misogyny, because all of the existing public evidence suggests that neither Khalif nor his/her family knew about the condition at birth, or for some time after. We should not apply the same standards to intersex people that we do to trannies, because all it does is malign people who never chose to be aligned with troons in the first place.
>No, there aren't any adrenal issues in women that turn them into phenotypical malesYou do not know what the word "phenotypical" means. Khalif is genotypically male, and posses
some male phenotypology. He/she was born with an incomplete vagina and internal testes. And in any case, I never said that adrenal tumors could "turn" a woman into a phenotypical male. I said that there exist conditions in females that would lead to symptoms
similar to those Khalif experienced. I brought this up in response to an anon who said that they should've known Khalif was male based on the flat chest and lack of periods. If he/she grew up in a developing country and had what appeared to be a vagina, I can absolutely see why people just shrugged their shoulders and assumed that Khalif was an unusually mannish female (even though that wasn't actually the case). I'd be less sympathetic to Khalif if he/she had been born in Canada or the UK, where something like internal testes or XY chromosomes in a baby with a vagina would be caught much earlier on because of greater access to the necessary resources.
Look, I get the desire to "hold the line" on the idea that males and females are so distinct from each other that it's physically impossible for one to ever superficially look like the other. In the case of trannies specifically, I wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment. But I genuinely believe that there are exceptions to that rule that occur exclusively among intersex individuals.
>He and his family said that in their (rural, conservative) town, no one let the girls play outsideI want a source for this. There are photos circulating of Khalif wearing girl's clothing as a child. These two things do not comport. In a conservative country with no gender ideology, how could these parents have dressed their male child up as a girl, only to later grant the kid male privileges? These things don't comport.
No. 2477621
>>2477610Unironically probably drag race moving from Logo to other non gay channels and winning Emmys. The most embarrassing TIF in my life was a painfully straight thembie obsessed with drag race who wanted to be in a polycule with her straight enby bf and her shiny new toy TIM bf.
I had a lot of gay male friends in high school, like a surprising amount for a time before legalized gay marriage, so I can kind of understand being young and confused enough to see your affection towards gay men as sexual attraction and then becoming a total handmaiden and going along with whatever bullshit they parrot.
No. 2477627
>>2477610When Tumblr's userbase started going to college. Before that, gender craziness was isolated to academia. But Tumblr users proliferated that stuff on social media, and more importantly, they injected it into fandom spaces, which allowed it to spread faster.
Then things really kicked into overdrive when SCOTUS legalized gay marriage. The LGBT charities didn't want to shut down, they wanted to keep making money, so they all glommed onto gender as the Next Big Thing.
No. 2477628
>>2477235If I've noticed one thing about many "asexuals," it's that they have a very immature view of romantic and sexual relationships. It's as if they genuinely believe that every human being is an animal that has sex at the first opportunity, and only they are capable of controlling their impulses and understanding feelings. If you think being called a "virgin" or your parents asking you "when will you have a partner or children" is discrimination, then it only proves that you're an immature adult who isn't capable of dealing with stupid comments.
I'm also sick of seeing every damn NSFW artist declare themselves asexual and then justify it with "there are different types of asexuality." It's obvious they just want the
victim label without much effort.
No. 2477672
>>2477610I think there are multiple events linked to the rise of TRA sentiment, Occupy was one and the legalization of gay marriage in the US (around the same time) was another, since gay rights organizations had to pivot to a new thing to justify their funding. I've heard a lot of people placing the start of the genderism boom between 2008-2012, but early 2010s sounds the most accurate to me personally. If you look at Google Trends you can see for yourself that if you input the keyword 'transgender' you see an upwards spike around 2012, whereas if you input 'newer' gendie words like 'genderfluid' they didn't exist at all in Google trends until (in the case of genderfluid specifically) 2013 or so. So I'd say 2012 is a good guess.
>>2477613I don't see what Khelif possibly experiencing misogyny in his first few years of life has to do with anything though. No one is saying that 5-ARD men or guevedoces don't experience misogyny in early childhood, people are saying that adult moids choosing to beat up women at the Olympics are disgusting. Having experienced some bad thing in early childhood doesn't make it okay for moids to abuse and take opportunities away from women. He decided to align himself with troons the second he took advantage of TRA-inspired Olympic self-ID regulations to punch women in the face on international TV.
>You do not know what the word "phenotypical" means.Uh actually I do, I'm a literal biologist. Khelif is phenotypically male, although he probably has a slight malformation of his genitals (micropenis and possibly undescended testes). The way scientists classify sex in DSDs is not chromosomal, it is phenotypical, which is why scientists consider women with Swyer syndrome female even though they have male chromosomes. Sex in DSD cases is classified according to phenotype, not genotype.
>I never said that adrenal tumors could "turn" a woman into a phenotypical male.But you're comparing women with slight physical abnormalities to males with a micropenis even though they have nothing in common except the fact they both have an illness/disorder. Having some adrenal dysfunction as a woman won't lead to 'similar symptoms' of having a smaller-than-average penis or undescended testes. Women don't have penises or testes at all. 5-ARD doesn't just cause a flat chest and lack of periods, it causes male phenotype, but I'm sure the lack of breasts and menstruation was one of the glaring signs. Khelif already was being treated as male by his family before he was 'scouted' by a women's boxing coach while playing soccer, so he knew before starting or taking an interest in boxing that he was male and so did his family. He then went and trained with the national boxing team - believe it or not, they get physicals, have doctors and hospitals even in Algeria. He wasn't living on a remote island with no healthcare.
>I'd be less sympathetic to Khalif if he/she had been born in Canada or the UKWhy are you sympathetic to a moid who already knew for years he was an adult male but chose to beat women up in women's sports anyway? You haven't explained why this is sympathetic just because he may not have known he was male in early childhood.
>desire to "hold the line" on the idea that males and females are so distinct from each other that it's physically impossible for one to ever superficially look like the other.Intersex activists aren't big fans of this whole 'you're not either sex, you're a hermaphrodite' talking point either. I'm 'holding the line' of reality where yes, it is pretty much impossible for females to really look like males and vice versa. In some limited scenarios (still images, heavily filtered brief Tiktok footage, etc) you can be briefly confused but humans have extremely noticeable sexual dimorphism and intersex individuals are not an exception to this even if they have slightly weird genitals or weird pubertal development. Intersex people themselves hate when people say what you are saying about them.
>I want a source for this. I told you, go to the Imane Khelif thread where it was posted, or peruse the earlier versions of this thread where it was discussed and ctrl+F. It's been posted several times already and it's just as easy for you to go find it if you're curious as it is for me to spoonfeed you.
>how could these parents have dressed their male child up as a girl, only to later grant the kid male privileges? Look up 4-ARD in the Dominican Republic and you will have your answer. They masculinize fully during puberty.
>>2477613 No. 2477687
>>2477613>What I'm trying to say is that it's a unique case where you could genuinely argue that he/she experienced some systemic misogynyNo, he didn't. He never experienced being discriminated against for being female because he's not female, it's that easy. He was possibly discriminated against for having a developmental disorder, that's not misogyny but instead a form of ableism. Did a misogynistic culture affect that treatment for the worse - likely yes. Same as a gay man being beaten up for being too effeminate or not being able to donate blood, but he also isn't a
victim of misogyny.
The fact remains that you choose to refer to this man as "he/SHE" as if it's even a question that he's a man. But there is no question, he is a man with a developmental disorder.
No. 2477715
>>2477566Can you read? I wrote that I told them I don't like sex and they said they were ok with it. And romantic love is not the same as platonic love. Your arguments show that you never had a real thought about it (which is ok) but you still loud and proud give your opinion as facts anyway.
Platonic vs romantic: I don't expect my friends to share their whole life with me. Friends also have the tendency to have partners of their own. You won't go out of your way to buy a house with your friends or plan for a family (I don't want children, but some want em). The connection is different.
Don't mistake the urge to get off as the same as romantic feelings for someone. Why is exclusivity only
valid when it's with shared genitals?
Anyway, I have now to pray with my fellow nons and working on becoming the next pope, bye.
No. 2477721
>>2477715You being naive enough to believe that 'I told them I don't like sex and they were okay with it' meant they were okay with never having sex is still not discrimination. Romantic love is sexual love, while platonic love is non-sexual love. If you don't want sex and physical intimacy beyond handholding or hugging or whatever, what you need is a good close friend. You're never going to convince any moid to be in a 'romantic' relationship with no sex, sex is the main purpose of romantic relationships to moids.
>you never had a real thought about it (which is ok) but you still loud and proud give your opinionUh rude, but no just because I disagree with your take that men wanting to fuck you isn't 'asexual discrimination and oppression' and is just the same normal thing that all other women experience doesn't mean I haven't ever given the topic a thought. If you want to buy a house with someone you're platonic with you probably still can, you would just need to find another celibate woman like yourself to do it with - some women actually do live this way, including someone in my family who missed the boat for romance and ended up moving in with and combining finances with a best friend.
>I don't want children, but some want emHow does having children without sex work? Sperm donor? You can be single for this.
No. 2477757
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The tranny gloating and credit stealing disguised as postmortem think-pieces has begun. They love pushing the radfem to trump pipeline and it is the most obvious tell you’re talking to a troon tourist on this website.
https://moonmetropolis.substack.com/p/the-fall-of-ovarit-a-classic-case No. 2477767
>>2477757Bizarre article because Ovarit wasn't even a pro-Trump circlejerk, I read some of the most recent political threads and a handful of people were praising Trump for his anti-TRA EOs or saying they're starting to lean more conservative but a majority were still bootlicking the Democratic party like they always do and insisting that 'us radfems have to work with the good liberal males' just like always. Also agreeing with 1-2 of Trump's EOs doesn't make you pro-Trump generally.
>>2477762There really isn't much of a radfem to tradthot pipeline and I have never seen tradthots concerning themselves much with cozying up to feminist women. Most tradcons don't even know what radical feminism is, I have tried to explain it to conservative women in my extended family and they don't even understand the distinction between liberal and radical feminism.
No. 2477785
>>2477757Another moid threatened by the existence of female only spaces emerging online.
Fuck off troon, I know you are lurking here. No one cares that you "don't take us seriously"
Feminism is happening. More and more people are either going from TRA to crypto GC or going from crypto GC to outspoken GC/
TERF.
That has been the momentum for a while.
Eventually ALL porn will be banned just like child porn is banned.
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>>2477757KEK it’s so obvious that this is just a butthurt moid who gets banned constantly for shitting up these places. He knows the yaoi wars but purposely doesn’t mention how the very edit he’s posting trying to own da ovarit terfs, is from the soyjak party raids on cc. He even does the usual comparison of “woman thinks shes strong but she’s just a fat sjw look at these photos to prove I’m right!” no different than playing with wojak dolls and acting like they’re chad for being mindless retards. He wrote a whole article to showcase his seethe at women that he will never meet, not wanting to touch his cock or be near him.
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>>2477757>madotsuki PFPI really wish trannies would put Yume Nikki down and leave Madotsuki alone, man.
why are they so obsessed with her? No. 2477863
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>>2477854Because, its easy for them to self insert as her because she has no (shown) personality, They see a little girl character wearing a dress in pigtails and of course their autopedophilia goes crazy over that.
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>>2477847Ive never seen a woman hate ovarit as much as TIM trannies and men do. they literally seethe over it, its like kryptonite for them. the Y chromosome really shows its fangs when you bring up real female issues. Men in wigs and men without them.
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>>2477757Lol after actually reading the article it's so much funnier than I even thought. He calls Ovarit a '
femcel den' (lmao) and then calls girl_undone, who was outed (or outed herself?) at some point as a rich housewife despite her female separatist larping, a
femcel NEET. The fact that most of the Ovarit userbase according to their own descriptions were middle aged moms did not deter the apparently 12-yr-old author of this 'article' from trying to paint them as sexless virgins for some reason.
I also find it really funny when people see a community of women who argue with each other and see it as a sign there is something wrong with the community instead of realizing that women are people too and can have a variety of opinions just like men. Then the author follows this with a long screed about how great and wonderful porn is and how not wanting women to be objectified and sex trafficked is 'just like Islam! And also MRA logic!'
>Calls Anna Slatz (a non-radfem) an example of evil radfem puritanism because she was horrified by some post of a guy in the hospital holding his amputated balls to 'celebrate his new pussy'Surprisingly it actually appears to be written by an adult moid, albeit a particularly retarded one. After spending most of the article raging out about how familiar he is with lolcow, cc and Ovarit and how much time he spends trolling all three websites, he then insists that they are totally not important and meaningless corners of the internet for celibate women. So why does he care so much and spend so much time raging out about them? Are the cat ladies hurting him in some way?
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Why are trannies convinced that everyone wants to fuck them? There was one on tiktok saying that all the men are bottoms that take it up the ass kek and that all the cis women’s boyfriends are in his DMs.
Attributing men’s hatred of women to gayness is stupid first of all, second of all is sex the only thing that come out of their mouths?
No. 2477883
>>2477854Same. I love the game and I hate that troons try to take over it. Shit like
>>2477863 makes me wanna barf.
No. 2477915
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>>2477757>>2477787>>2477847haven't seen it mentioned here yet but Moonmetropolis is the fake "radfem" blog by Joshua Goldberg
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-34292809 No. 2477927
>>2477915>one of the key puppet masters who was rallying the extremists to bully Ben Garrison seemed to be a 20-year-old man living in his parents' house in Florida. His name was Joshua Goldberg. >"I'd often look at the weather in Florida … and it's like fantastic weather in Florida and I'm sitting here in freezing cold Melbourne," McMahon says. "I said to him, 'Why don't you go outside? Like why don't you go to the beach?' And he'd tell me these sort of intimate things about himself like you the fact that he does suffer from depression and that he doesn't leave the house. I think it's really difficult to not empathise with someone who's in that situation." Of course the moid writing substack blogs about
femcel NEETs is an inceloid NEET himself. The moid MO is always to lash out and accuse others of what they themselves are guilty.
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Don't like this retard but he's right on this one. Funny seeing the seethe from troons in the replies and qrts
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>>2477936he was released last year according to his wiki page. Tanya Cohen and Caitlin Roper apparently were other fake feminist personas. it's all extremely unhinged
No. 2477950
>>2477946I'm still wondering why moids like this (who seem to get their kicks from inciting actual terrorist attacks, LARPing as nazis etc) are so overly fixated on random tiny women's feminist internet communities. The amount of undue attention a tiny forum like Ovarit gets is so disproportionate to its influence especially considering it is, as many have pointed out, basically full of bored and slightly angry middle aged women. It's insane to me that even moids like this who seem to focus a lot of their energy on extremely disruptive high-level trolling still find time to rage out about and troll Ovarit and lolcow.
>>2477948Wait is Asmongold a troon?
No. 2477953
>>2477847>>2477768>the very edit he’s posting trying to own da ovarit terfs, is from the soyjak party raids on ccthat he himself is probably responsible for. just searched and that username is active on soyjak gloating about raiding ovarit
>He would frequently use this persona to criticize the works of his other personas such as anti-free speech activist Tanya Cohen, arguing against points that he himself had made. his modus operandi seems to be setting up fake strawmen to argue against so this checks out. extremely pathetic jfc.
No. 2477960
>>2477935True and it made me realize how retarded so many people are kek. Or just brainwashed.
>>2477950No, he's just a regular scrote.
No. 2477963
>>2477672>Having experienced some bad thing in early childhood doesn't make it okay for moids to abuse and take opportunities away from womenI literally said that Khalif is male and doesn't belong in women's sports.
>Why are you sympathetic to a moid who already knew for years he was an adult male but chose to beat women up in women's sports anywayBecause there's no proof Khalif "already knew for years," aside from some tenuous offhanded comment about playing outside. And I specified why the country of origin matters: Khalif's rural Algerian (apparently inbred) family is less likely, either for financial or logistical reasons, to have access to the technology that would have revealed things like internal testes and XY chromosomes early on. Someone living in a first world country would have no such excuse. It's no mystery why so many of these intersex athletes represent countries in the developing world.
>you're not either sex, you're a hermaphroditeThis is a complete misrepresentation of what I said. Calling Khalif a male who happened to be raised female is not even remotely the same as saying there are "hermaphrodites" or that intersex people are "neither." Either you didn't read what I said, or you're deliberately misrepresenting my position.
>4-ARD in the Dominican RepublicThat has very little to do with a Muslim family arbitrarily deciding that their vagina-having kid who they’ve raised as a girl is now randomly a boy because the kid looks more masculine after puberty. This really doesn't solve the problem of the information conflicting in Imane's case specifically.
No. 2477970
>>2477235No. There's no "acephobia" ever.
You can't risk your job if you're asexual, you can adopt children if you're asexual, you can walk around if you're asexual.
And people who call themselves asexual, simply believe that being in relationship means having sex 24/7 or constantly finding people attractive around, women don't realize that they're not moids, have you ever met an asexual guy? That was not some flavour of autist?
We have naturally lower sex drives and we're more sensitive to stress influencing it, esp. im this day and age.
>"But the world is sexualized!"And? So asexual are made from peer pessure? What?
>"But my family asks me if I'm gonna have children!"That's what everyone goes through despite sexual orientation. Everyone
>"But I do not feel sexual attraction!"It's fine to not be attracted to anyone until you find "the one". It's the most common experience. Moids want to fuck because they're moids.
>"But I don't like sex!"You don't like sex or pleasure? Those are two different things. Of course sex with someone you don't like or only moves his hips into you like a drill sucks major ass but pleasure?
>"But I don't feel the need to have sex!"It's not even a need, like thirst or hunger, you can do fine without it
>"I can't experience an orgasm!"And that's a medical issue, the same ones that troon kids go through, it means that something didn't develop correctly.
tl;dr people who claim themselves as "asexual" view sex from the eyes of moids who rule the world with sexuality and are a bit disconnected from themselves, there's no real "asexual". They idealize sex as this shitty movie like cinematic experience or a porny experience full of "fuck me yes oh god please!! fuck my little hole!"
It's not it, ever but since they have no real connection to anyone (ever saw an asexual in a long term relationship?), they have no idea that sex is not like that.
No. 2477980
>>2477976I mean that there's no real "asexual" in the tumblr/twittard definition of the term and sure as hell you know like me that they won't ever call troon kids asexual because that would be admitting to an atrocious medical error, aka "castration".
There's no real, adult person that's asexual or "doesn't experience sexual attraction" because asexual retards simply say "I'm ace, I don't like nobody!" while it's normal to not like anyone on sight if you're not (generic) a fucking animal. They are trying to confuse aesthetic attraction with a medical issue, it's like going to a lesbian and saying "You like every woman huh? Every woman on sight, right? You like women so all women?". It's weird.
No. 2477984
>>2477963>I literally said that Khalif is male and doesn't belong in women's sports.Then what is the point of talking about how he might have experienced misogyny in childhood? I just don't get the relevance. People were mad at him because he was beating up women on TV knowing he was male, and whether or not he was treated as a girl for some part of his childhood has no bearing on that.
>there's no proof Khalif "already knew for years," Actually there is. The olympics were in 2024 and the 2nd of two disqualifying tests for the IBA was in 2023 so at the latest he knew over a year earlier and decided to go to the Olympics anyway. But it's also obvious that he knew prior to that, because he was on a national boxing team and they have physicals. He also trained internationally in first-world countries for years with top international trainers and athletes (according to other athletes at the training camps, he mostly did his sparring against men since he was too strong/dangerous to train with the other female boxers). Knowing he was a supposed 'woman' who never menstruated or grew breasts, who had a penis and clearly also grew a beard, both he and his trainers almost certainly would have looked into his situation instead of just going 'huh, that's weird, but whatever.' Athletes in international athletics have every single minor aspect of their physical state micromanaged by their team from the moment they seem like they have a chance in even regional/national athletics.
Going back further than that, he and his family almost certainly knew from puberty, judging by the fact that his parents openly admit they let him do multiple things girls in the village were banned from doing. Not only did he go outside and play sports with the boys unlike all the other girls in the village, but they also let him take daily round-trips to another city on a bus alone. Yes they said that some neighbors eventually asked them how they could let a 'girl' do that, but are you telling me his parents had never thought about it before the neighbor asked because they were just the most progressive feminist family in the village? Letting a teen girl take long-ass bus trips alone when the other girls in the village weren't allowed to go outside?
Then there's the scout/trainer who scouted Khelif while he was playing soccer. You think the scout just saw a random girl playing soccer with a bunch of teenage moids and was like 'this entirely normal girl will surely be a champion boxer one day despite having no prior experience nor interest in boxing'? No, this scout is one of many scouts (we know about them, they are a thing all over Africa) who goes to rural areas looking for DSD males with 'female' birth certificates to groom into athletics. This is a known phenomenon in poor countries (particularly Kenya and I believe Ghana iirc which at some point had their entire olympic middle-distance running teams made up of entirely males).
>Khalif's rural Algerian (apparently inbred) family is less likely, either for financial or logistical reasons, to have access to the technology that would have revealed things like internal testes and XY chromosomes early on. They had access to their eyes, surely they could see he had a micropenis, beard and didn't menstruate, and even if his family was so inbred and retarded that them letting Khelif do 'boy stuff' unlike all the other girls in the village was a total coincidence, he moved out at age 15 or 16 to a major city to train with the women's national team. IIRC they didn't even have much of a team before Khelif was recruited. He moved out in his teens, years before he competed in the Paris Olympics.
>Someone living in a first world country would have no such excuse.And yet the other male boxer who won Olympic gold in women's boxing last year lived in a first world country and the exact same excuses were made for him too.
>This is a complete misrepresentation of what I said. What you actually said was:
>Look, I get the desire to "hold the line" on the idea that males and females are so distinct from each other that it's physically impossible for one to ever superficially look like the other … I genuinely believe that there are exceptions to that rule that occur exclusively among intersex individuals.But this isn't true. Intersex individuals still look either phenotypically male or phenotypically female and most intersex activist groups constantly try to remind people of this fact (we actually look just like normal women/men, etc.)
>That has very little to do with a Muslim family arbitrarily deciding that their vagina-having kid who they’ve raised as a girl is now randomly a boy because the kid looks more masculine after puberty. It has everything to do with it, actually. You asked:
>In a conservative country with no gender ideology, how could these parents have dressed their male child up as a girl, only to later grant the kid male privileges? And I pointed out that in the Dominican Republic (a conservative country with no gender ideology), parents have dressed their male 5-ARD children up as girls until puberty and then later granted them male privileges once they masculinize at puberty for hundreds of years. They did this long before modern healthcare. The condition is also apparently common and known in Turkey which is not too far (geographically and culturally) from Algeria, so it's pretty obvious you don't need to be an ultrawealthy Western country to understand that when your 'girl' turns obviously male at puberty, it's actually a male.
No. 2478002
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>>2477757The irony is that this is exactly what happened to the sharty when the site that hated and mocked pedophiles became pedophile central.
No. 2478011
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>>2477984Samefag but picrel is the poor widdle conservative rural muslim girl 2 years before the Paris Olympics, in a casual (non-boxing) situation. Very conservative way to present him- sorry, herself.
Here's another post I found from the previous threads confirming that he had a male karyotyping done at least as early as 2022 so he had 2 years of knowing at the very minimum
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>>2478011Anyone who thinks this is a woman should be tested for mental retardation
No. 2478020
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>>2477757Insanely low IQ article. GCs on ovarit are older and more lukewarm. Older people are more likely to vote republican. It really is that simple, most women on Ovarit are married. This faggot should've seen the Kamalafags in the amerifag thread during 2024 kek Sorry if this offends some of you but most nonnies hate trump here. Elon has his own /snow/ thread and trump has a trump hate containment thread in /ot/. Alot of nonas here also disagree with each other on who we voted for, we are not an echochamber. This article sounds so fucking butthurt kek. The radfem to tradthot pipeline is pure copium, from both trannies and MRAs (same thing, different font). Anytime I see examples it's always an older lady who doesn't understand what radical feminism is and just thinks
TERF = woman who hates trannies or it's an 18 y/o BPDemon trying to cling on to the edgiest ideology she can. Look at phemoid for example, she called herself a radfem but was really just saying FDS shit. As soon as real radfems started calling her out on her fake shit she changed her entire ideology up and started pandering to conservascrotes. But alas, the moid is too easily fooled to tell. It's a sad sad tale.
No. 2478027
>>2477235Yes and No.
Yes, if someone who identifies as asexual, either openly or internally, mentions they have no interest in sex, those around them insist otherwise. That is the extent of it in my experience. It's annoying and an inconvenience at best.
No, in that they have the same rights as those around them. There are chances that they'd be coerced into sex, but I mean… everyone has that as a danger?
No. 2478039
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>>2478009It's going to be really hard for me to find because most of the resources I read about this were collected back on r/GC before it got banned from reddit in like 2020, but I remember there being several articles and accounts of this around the time they banned Semenya and the other 8 or so male runners from middle distance running. I think it might have been Semenya's scout himself who had scouted several other DSD males for running in rural areas around South Africa but I might be confusing Semenya's scout with someone else, don't quote me on that. A lot of the info that used to be out there seems to have been buried in the google algorithm, but I did find this interesting article about Kenya (one of the worst offenders) trying to bar intersex males from lowering their testosterone in athletics with the interesting tidbit in picrel (source:
https://www.washingtonblade.com/2024/05/29/kenya-seeks-to-ban-intersex-athletes-from-lowering-hormone-levels-to-compete-in-sports/)
In the 2008 Rio Olympics all 800-meter medalists were moids, and in a more recent Olympics the entire Kenyan mid-distance running team was disqualified at once when they changed the rules (all male). Here's another recent article about a Kenyan male who's trying to fight the regulations, in 2024:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/24/world/africa/olympic-intersex-maximila-imali.htmlWhen there have been like a dozen examples of Kenyan runners in this one event all being male in a span of 10-15 years, it's pretty hard to deny that they are deliberately scouting them. This is a very rare condition - do all these 'extremely rare' women just all happen to have an Olympic dream of running in the 400, 800 or 1400 meter race specifically? It seems like pretty much every 5-ARD male in Kenya somehow ends up on the national track team. Also see the photos of the Chinese relay racers earlier in the thread.
Anyway if I can track down the sources I'm thinking of I'll post them later but they might be buried at this point since the controversy was years ago.
No. 2478054
>>2477984>Then what is the point of talking about how he might have experienced misogyny in childhood? I just don't get the relevance.I only brought it up because I felt it was an example of how the GC approach to viewing intersex people should be more nuanced than the logic applied to trannies. Maybe Khalif wasn't the best example, but my point was that TRAs have misappropriated a lot of intersex issues, and that's not intersex peoples' fault. People choose to troon out either because of fetishes, internalized homophobia, or other mental problems they aren't properly addressing. Intersex people didn't choose to be born with a congenital mutation, and they didn't choose to be lumped in with crazies.
If what you're saying is true (which I mostly believe now) and Khalif knew about being XY before the Olympics, then that's fucked up and warrants public scorn. But I also place blame on all the people who allowed the problem to reach that level– the doctors, the coaches, the committees. A person with internal testes like Khalif or Semenya should not be able to make it to Olympic level women's sports without someone finding out and giving them the boot. It's absurd.
>What you actually said was: "Look, I get the desire to "hold the line" on the idea that males and females are so distinct from each other that it's physically impossible for one to ever superficially look like the other … I genuinely believe that there are exceptions to that rule that occur exclusively among intersex individuals.""Superficially," and "phenotypically" are not the same thing. I was saying that it's more understandable for someone, especially a layperson, to mistake an intersex person (generally, not Khalif specifically) for the phenotypical sex to which they do not technically belong, particularly when the person presents and was raised that way. For that reason, I think we should be slightly more permissive with intersex people than with troons. If a theoretical person (again, not Khalif, this is just a pretend person for the sake of a hypothetical) with a vagina and internal testes was raised as a woman and wants to live as a woman, I think that's okay so long as they don't join women's sports, or cause injury to women in some other way. That is a standard I reserve only for certain intersex people, never trannies.
>n the Dominican Republic (a conservative country with no gender ideology), parents have dressed their male 5-ARD children up as girls until puberty and then later granted them male privileges once they masculinize at puberty for hundreds of years. They did this long before modern healthcare.I acknowledge this; the condition is common enough in the DR that there's a word for it. But I'm not sure it's common enough in Algeria to have a culturally standardized approach the way it does in PNG and the DR. Additionally, intersex people in this situation may still be marginalized and seen as "lesser versions" of one sex or the other (in this case, male). You could probably categorize that as ableism, but ymmv.
At this point, I believe you when you say Khalif and the trainers knew about the DSD before any major competitions, and that they decided to exploit it rather than prioritize female boxers' safety. That much I can agree on.
>>2478011>poor widdle conservative rural muslim girlYou know, I was coming around to your arguments when you were being level-headed and relatively civil. There was literally
no need to mock and strawman me like this. I'm not even sure what you thought this would accomplish.
No. 2478060
>>2477980>>2477980>and sure as hell you know like me that they won't ever call troon kids asexual because that would be admitting to an atrocious medical error, aka "castration".Actually Jazz Jennings mom was on TV discussing that she thinks maybe Jazz is asexual. Because she had him trooned out and castrated because as a little toddler he was too "gay". So when adult Jazz who had been chemically castrated with puberty blockers, and then physically castrated with SSR dick inversion surgery expressed not being that interested in sex, not able to have an orgasm, not feeling a "spark" when dating etc etc she needed an excuse for why Jazz now didn't have a sexuality. Pretending like he was asexual all along frees her from the responsibility of having castrated and ruined him. It's quite infuriating. They harm the kids and then pretend the kid just was like that all along.
But yes you are right with the rest. Asexual as a natural tumblrina described sexuality isn't real. It's always a medical issue (if real), but more commonly just volcel or a normal low libido.
No. 2478063
>>2478020Yeah this is exactly it. The 'radfem to tradwife pipeline' is referenced here on lolcow a lot but I've never seen anyone who references it giving actual examples, and most of the people pushing the idea are coping moids who desperately want to believe that the only reason women would be woman-aligned or say negative things about males is because they're actually desperate coping virgins (since this is the main reason moids hate women). I don't know how this idea took root in actual women's communities but it's typical moid cope to insist that man-haters (or even just any woman who is aware of how males operate and talks about it with other women) are lonely hideous cat ladies desperate to fuck them, and will turn into barefoot kitchen slaves the second some roidpig tradie looks their way.
>>2478020>mentions they have no interest in sex, those around them insist otherwise.This isn't really a form of oppression or discrimination though, it's just a normal experience of finding it unpleasant when people judge you or seem condescending. In all honesty a lot of the reason why people around them insist otherwise is because most of us who are older than 20 have experienced the vast majority of the 'asexuals' around us turning out to have normal sexuality, or have seen how many self-described 'asexuals' talk about and fixate on sex more than any normal person. I think if this was a form of discrimination/oppression then 'sure you'll be an astronaut when you grow up, sweetie' or 'wait until you're a little older to decide if you want to have kids, lots of people change their mind' would also count as discrimination. People vaguely condescending to you and thinking they know better than you is just a regular thing everyone experiences.
No. 2478068
>>2478060That woman is a malignant narcissist, and I'm disgusted with how she was enabled by the entire media ecosystem. It's so blatant that she wanted a "straight" "daughter" instead of a gay son, so she groomed and eventually castrated the poor kid. And now she has the audacity to act all shocked that he's obese, depressed, and sex-repulsed?
As infuriating as gay moids (and specifically their misogyny) can be, a gay moid is better than a TIM any day. If I could wave a magic wand and make all the HSTS TIMs just be normie gay men instead, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
No. 2478080
>>2478054>I only brought it up because I felt it was an example of how the GC approach to viewing intersex people should be more nuanced than the logic applied to trannies. The GC approach to intersex people IS more nuanced than the logic applied to trannies. The only times I've seen GC women have a similar approach to moids with DSDs that they have to trannies is in this specific situation - when DSD moids enter women's sports using the same rules and loopholes trannies use to enter women's sports. I've never seen GC women just randomly attacking intersex women or men in any other situation, and ime GC women are usually more aware of the complexity of intersex issues and have more understanding of DSD biology than your average normie does. It seems like an irrelevant point to make using Khelif as an example because the rage at Khelif was specifically due to him being a male beating up women in Olympic boxing, not anger that his inbred parents dressed him as a girl when he was seven.
>If what you're saying is true (which I mostly believe now) and Khalif knew about being XY before the OlympicsIt is definitively and unambiguously true. He was notified of his karyotyping and testosterone test results in 2022 by the IBF and had two years to respond or argue to the sports litigation committee thing (forget what it's called), but he dropped it and went around campaigning for them not to release his results. Then after the Olympics he has attempted to sue several people (including JK Rowling I believe) for talking about him being male. The fact he was made aware of the results in 2022 (and chose to withhold them/hide them from the public) is a matter of public record, and not contested.
>But I also place blame on all the people who allowed the problem to reach that levelThis is where and how the issue intersects with troons in the first place. Due to the IBF banning male athletes from their boxing matches, the IOC dropped the IBF from overseeing boxing at the Olympics, and introduced a new set of rules for women's boxing that explicitly allowed TIMs to compete without even lowering their testosterone levels or transitioning. There have been a bunch of attempts to make it seem like it was about Russia or corruption, but the IBF released the correspondence and it's clear that the Olympic Committee deliberately dropped the IBF over their rules that didn't allow males in boxing. The IOC has been allowing trans males in the Olympics for years and is on a spree of trying to enable troons in as many women's events as possible, which is also how two known DSD males slipped into women's boxing. It's a deliberate attempt to allow males to medal in women's sports at the Olympics, and, see
>>2478039 as well, there are entire countries' governments like Kenya that are running a deliberate campaign to force more DSD males into women's sports, even creating government committees to scout them (and lower their taxes, for some reason).
>"Superficially," and "phenotypically" are not the same thing.Sure but the point is that the vast majority of individuals with DSDs don't look 'superficially' like the opposite sex in any way other than the way you don't usually see because it's hidden under clothes (malformed genitals). A woman with Swyer syndrome might look a bit 'weird' but mainly because she tends to be very tall, skinny, frail, with no body hair. These women don't look superficially male, they just look kind of gangly and adolescent. Most of the common male DSDs present as essentially outwardly normal male appearance (beard, musculature, skeletal and facial structure, etc) but with micropenises or some genital malformations. A person wouldn't mistake them for a woman at a glance, even if a doctor might find their genitals strange in a physical exam. Look at the photos of Khelif posted in this thread (or look at Lin Yu Ting) - no layperson would ever clock them as female because we can't outwardly see that they have a micropenis, and otherwise they look like completely normal males.
>If a theoretical person (again, not Khalif, this is just a pretend person for the sake of a hypothetical) with a vagina and internal testes was raised as a woman and wants to live as a woman, I think that's okay so long as they don't join women's sports, or cause injury to women in some other way. I see your point but imo it's a pretty moot point because it's almost unheard-of for people with DSDs to be raised as the opposite sex, especially in modernity (yes even in poor countries) but even prior to modernity. 5-ARD men are often raised as female until about age 12, but then traditionally have been subsequently raised as male once they hit puberty in the cultures where 5-ARD was common. If you look at the life histories of people like Khelif and Semenya who lived in backwater African villages, they were raised as, dressed and presented as male throughout their teens and adulthood. IIRC Semenya has fathered multiple biological children, and so did Wambui or Niyonsaba (I forget which). All of them lived as men in their normal lives at least since their teen years if not earlier. With female DSDs like Swyer and CAIS, they usually don't even realize there's something weird about their bodies until their teen years, and once they hit their teens typically continue to see themselves as girls/women (I've never heard of a CAIS or Swyer case where they wanted to transition to male suddenly, since they're raised female). I guess there might have been some hypothetical instance somewhere when an intersex person wanted to live as the opposite sex, but I've never heard of it outside of athletics.
>But I'm not sure it's common enough in Algeria to have a culturally standardized approachIt's very common in Turkey like I said, so likely it's known about in Algeria also.
>There was literally no need to mock and strawman me like this.I wasn't mocking and strawmanning you, I was mocking Khelif's incredibly embarrassing LARP as 'just a poor girl who had no idea she had male chromosomes' that he constantly shops around to the media and legal system. Don't take everything people say about moids so personally.
No. 2478091
>>2478060Jazz Jennings is textbook trauma-induced-asexuality. His psychotic homophobic mom exploited him on NATIONAL TV. He was raised as quite easily the worst kind of child star. A child star/circus freak where his genital mutilation was broadcast to the entire world to see and mock. There are child stars who fall apart as adults from half the trauma that Jazz has went through. Asexuality was pretty much a guarantee.
What the fuck was he gonna do? Become a reckless hypersexual with his botched, lupron-numbed rot pocket?
I am amazed he hasn't killed himself already. I figure maybe his mom doesn't give him the opportunity. Jazz is probably one of the few troons I feel no hatred for. I just feel immense pity for him. I fucking hate TLC for enabling that psycho narc mom. I hope Jazz sues her someday, maybe gets her arrested for gross child abuse so no other homophobic psycho parent ever thinks to repeat that shit to their poor kid.
Fuck TLC. Fuck the mainstream pedo media. Fucking modern day John Money ass network.
No. 2478100
>>2478060The Jazz Jennings thing is so horribly sad, and the worst thing about it is that it was all aired out on national television and troon supporters who watched the years of child abuse of Jazz went on to continue to agitate for this abuse to be inflicted upon more children. The people going 'rah rah we need more Jazz Jenningses in the world because I'm a very compassionate leftist' disgust me - you watched this boy screaming that his vagina fell out on TV, you watched him talking about his dreams that he was a repressed gay man in his previous life, you watched his mom talking about her teenaged son's 'asexuality' in front of millions of people and went 'yeah, this is the good way to treat GNC children.'
>It's always a medical issue (if real), but more commonly just volcel or a normal low libido.I had an 'asexual phase' (never identified as an asexual, but I had several years following a sexual trauma where I was sex-repulsed even if I liked and wanted to have sex with someone) and I believe that some people can be genuinely sex-repulsed and unable to make sexual contact due to trauma, but I also don't believe it's similar to an actual 'sexuality.' When I had that phase I was still attracted to people, I just couldn't actually go through with touching them or sexually engaging with them. Even people with low libido and volcels likely feel desire or attraction toward other people, but in the common definition of 'asexuality' that people cite they claim asexuals 'can have or like sex, but they don't feel attraction.' I really wonder if there are any physically normal adults who are incapable of feeling attraction to anybody.
>>2478087>"radfem to tradwide" were women who already held conservative beliefs and never cared about the actual feminism aspect and moreso the opportunity to bash tranniesBut then they weren't radfems in the first place right? Were they claiming to be/were they talking about and endorsing radfem ideology? Or are people just talking about women who interacted with radfems/GCs on twitter? Like I never know who they specifically mean when they say this. The only examples I've seen of women who actually identified as 'radfems' and then became more normie or conservative (although still in most cases not trad) is a small subset of detrans/desister girls who found radblr after desisting and then moved on from radblr after a year or two and became regular normies. But I wouldn't have really called them radfems in the first place, just young girls/women seeking a welcoming community after being ejected from TRA communities.
>>2478093I've followed Megan Murphy for years and I always remember her saying she doesn't identify as a radfem even though she agrees with some radfem tenets. She called herself a feminist but I never remember her calling herself a radfem. She also isn't a tradwife. Being a regular woman with various moderate/conservative/liberal opinions, a boyfriend and a full-time job isn't being a tradwife. She still runs a feminist journalism website.
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Sorry for the random out of context comment but I wanted to post this screenshot just to back up my earlier claim that Khelif apparently didn't even train with other women when he trained in first world countries. The idea that no one knew something was up is really laughable. Carini (the Italian boxer who forfeited the match with him and then got railroaded by everyone and mocked internationally, including by many lolcow anons) went to some of these training camps with him and already knew he was too dangerous to be paired up with women, which explains why she was so hesitant to even enter the ring with him and why she said that thing about how she 'had to go along with it' or whatever.
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this shit has been doing the rounds on twitter.
No. 2478173
>>2478171basically blue girl is a female enby. she doesn't want the pink mtf tranny living with her and her frens because he's a guy. he bawwws that she's not really trans and he, the real
victim, is bullied on twitter for it.
tl;dr man tries to force his way into female space, cries about it
No. 2478178
>>2478167imagine making up a fictional scenario to play the
victim in lmao
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>>2478167Kek i was about to post this here. Why do women even handmaiden for trannies if they're gonna portray them as le evil terves anyways? If you don't fully pander to them you're the same as someone who wants to go DEFCON 1 on trannies. It's useless. women need to wake up lol
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>>2478167He also made this one right after
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>>2478200and what sex was the person who spat at you?
No. 2478220
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This was about the woman’s gym incident in the uk not too long ago. Once we asked for our own space without these trannies they cry abuse and injustice, just work out in a normal gym and stop complaining.
No. 2478228
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>>2478220>cis women abuse trans women than the other way aroundOh really? Is that why trannies are more likely than both women and "normal" men to commit sex-based crimes? Is that why they're one of the statistically least targeted demographics in the fucking world for murder? I wanna know what "abuse" women do to trannies. I wanna know just how many women are rightfully beating the fuck out of them when they're caught in women's restrooms.
No. 2478242
>>2478226It can happen. Dimorphism is legit but as long as youre more trained and you atleast lift you could win against a tranny. Any masc lesbian who hits the gym would win against a hypotonic (autism, hormone abuse) tranny kek. Him being (hypothetically) 6'5 doesn't mean shit if she knows how to submit a moid. Trannies never hit the gym unless they're athletes. It's good to conceal carry no matter what though, brute forcing is retarded whether you're male or female. I just don't like it when moids are treated like terminator, especially if they're weak moids like most trannies.
>>2478228Kek nona what is the context of this video. amazing. Love how his cheap wig falls off.
No. 2478253
>>2478242Also samefag but my take on women strength training is that it's really just a longer process for women. Trannies are usually extremely weak though. They themselves use weapons most of the time. The only ones who arent ultra weak are the ones who troon out as soon as they have to go to prison so they don't become someone's bitch.
>Ashlee Evans-Smith vs Fallon FoxAlso thank you for reminding me about that gem kek
No. 2478285
>>2478215Loudly snorted when I read the troon's username. Good job
nonnie.
No. 2478292
>>2478242>Any masc lesbian who hits the gym would win against a hypotonic (autism, hormone abuse) tranny kek.This is really extremely not even a little bit true and delusional unfortunately. Yeah there will be the exceptional edge cases and enough martial arts/combat training can give you enough of an edge over some moids to safely run away but in the vast majority of cases even a weak, unfit moid can easily overpower a fit, muscular woman unless she has specific self defense and combat training and is unusually large (or he is unusually small). You might be able to judo throw someone or throw a really good punch or kick once with the element of surprise but then you better get out of there because in a regular bar brawl type situation you're absolutely fucked.
>>2478253>The only ones who arent ultra weak are the ones who troon out as soon as they have to go to prisonIt's literally a meme that one of the main TIM demographics is literal military moids. Many of them are also violent antifa types that regularly get in brawls. They're not all weak little feminine autists.
No. 2478320
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>>2473189I know this was posted like 3 days ago but it was right at the end of the last thread and nobody responded. I had it opened in a tab and finally got around to reading it and holy shit this story is disturbing and deserves more attention.
>Bullough (a founding member of WPATH) repeatedly personally and legally defended a multiple-times-convicted pedophile >He was on the editorial board of Paidika: The Journal of Paedophilia>He co-chaired WPATH meetings with John Money>He spent his whole career defending pedophilia and pedophilia researchers>Despite repeatedly arguing that his interest in the topic of pedophilia, or “intergenerational sex,” as he referred to it, was purely academic, Bullough revealed during the Paidika interview that he believed there was a “hysteria” surrounding the topic of child sexual abuse, and blamed “feminists” for the widespread opposition to pedophilia. “The feminist influence also most certainly is a factor in the hysteria,” Bullough said. “Some radical feminists, though thankfully a minority, have gone so far as to claim that every female child was probably sexually abused in some way by a male member of their family, and can even define sexual abuse as show-and-tell and other childhood activities.” Bullough did not provide a reference for his claims in regards to his argument.>In July 1987, Stanley wrote to Bullough imploring him to read and consider his article “The Hysteria over Child Pornography and Pedophilia,” which was soon published in Paidika and Playboy. In an introductory letter, Stanley told Bullough: “With respect to sizeable collections of child pornography, it is my impression that the Kinsey Institute’s is larger than the Institute for Advanced Study of Human Sexuality.”>Bullough replied in a letter dated January 1988, congratulating Stanley on the publication of his article. “As far as collections of movies of child porn, the San Francisco Institute is much larger, simply because the major distributors of porn films in the United States, particularly child porn, got rid of incriminating evidence by donating it to the Institute in San Francisco.”This moid is literally the founder of WPATH which has spent years setting the agenda for trans 'healthcare' (especially for children) and no one ever looked into the fact that he's obsessed with pedophilia and his main academic interest seems to have been normalizing pedophilia and shitting on feminists for ruining 'sex research' for pedophiles and everyone just ignored that? This was supposed to be the wonderful and compassionate child-protection organization that saved gendie children from evil society? There is absolutely no child safeguarding whatsoever in medical and psychological circles apparently.
No. 2478409
>>2478015You know what the worst part was? That lesbians were saying that "she" was masc and that made "her" hot.
That's a man. Some posters in that thread went full circle, it made me go insane that some women would fall so hard for a failmale.
No. 2478443
>>2477628A lot of 'asexuals' are really young too, it's probably just a way for them to shield themselves from porn/general scrotal attention on socials. It's somehow part of the queer community for some mysterious reason so it's an added shield for anyone who's afraid of the purity police harassing them for wrongthink.
I've seen a bunch of asexuals who had issues with relationships growing up, like their parents going through messy divorces, cheating, their friends or siblings having a string of insane partners and the toll it took on them, or being the relationship therapist for their parents while they were kids and being totally fucked up from it. In this enlightened age nobody can say shit without some seething sped screaming about muh privilege so instead of venting to their friends they call themselves aroace. Again, most of these are super young, and a lot of them will grow out of it.
It's hilarious to see adult, married, child-having 'asexuals' who do OF and call themselves kweer for it. Yeah, everyone with a low libido constantly hornyposts and spams nudes of themselves. That's totes
valid and anyone who says otherwise is a bigot who doesn't believe in the tragic struggles of the multifaceted 2deep4u asexual experience.
No. 2478445
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Please, just shut the fuck up, please.
Woman is when dainty! Woman no tall or low voice!
That's how apeish they sound.
If anyone is interested in this shitfest:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIAdbPrNJh5/ No. 2478457
>>2478445>I know Tolkien didn't write this character as a troon but as a tall, majestic warrior elf who is female>But it's so easy to shit all over his intent to write an interesting and powerful female character and pretend it's a male character anyway!>I would totally have cast a male as this important female character in TV show! Hire me!Why are handmaidens like this seriously
>>2478451It can't all have been /tttt/ raids because even when the topic was brought back up several months later when more proof came out, there was a bunch more of same, and it also came up in this thread several times since then always with some nonnas going to great lengths to insist 'no one could have known he was male' 'actually women look like this all the time too' 'even if he turned out to be male, the people saying he was male were just evil transvestigators' etc.
Also even if it was a raid a containment thread was made specifically because so many anons in this thread were getting mad about the 'tinfoiling' happening here and farmhands were banning talk about it in this thread as well as the Olympics thread. Then when the containment thread was made at many points it was like 60-70% full of posts caping for the moid. Even if it was a /tttt/ raid normally you'd expect more nonnas to stand up and call the raiding troons retarded, but it was a minority of us saying that and farmhands weren't deleting the posts supposedly by 'raiding' troons - they were specifically penalizing 'Khelif is male' posts itt if memory serves.
No. 2478462
>>2477235I get that actual asexuals, people who dont have desire for sex at all, will have troubles of they still want to date. So makes sense to label themselves and find a community so they could partner with someone similar. But I dont think they will face discrimination. Also lot of people using the label these days still have sex, even engage in kink shit, erotic art etc. How is that asexuality? Just feels like a way to feel speshul, often you see straight women who indentify as nonbinary also be asexuals.
>>2478447Could be also the influence of spending time in hypersexual spaces. They think just because they dont drool after every man/woman or need to coom seven times a day they are somehow not normal.
No. 2478476
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"I don't feel like this other group of people do."
"How do they feel?"
"Asking that question is a violent hateful attack actually."
No. 2478480
>>2478457Samefag but I went back and reread the old threads where this was being discussed and easily 70-90% of the posts were defending Khelif and attacking the few nonnas who were saying she's male, and most of the posters did not seem like /tttt/ troons plus it went on for multiple weeks. It was pretty much like every other post in the thread for 2 threads straight until the containment thread got made. I won't post the dozens and dozens of posts but here are some that very obviously were not 'troon baiters' and they were attacking sane women for knowing this is a moid:
>>2121137>>2121142>>2121150>>2123335>>2123390 (this one is extra special, attacking the female
victim who was denied a medal opportunity and accusing her of crybullying against the moid)
>>2123813 (further shaming of Carini for forfeiting the match after her chin strap was knocked off her face by a single punch)
>>2123827 (another one claiming Carini was 'faking it')
>>2123935 "it's an outright smear campaign"
>>2123957 it's just discrimination against ugly women
>>2124014 "imane's forehead shape as a child is feminine therefore female unlike child TIM"
>>2124020 "you have no empathy and are a psycho for saying this is a man hitting women"
>>2117070 "this is all an attack on GNC women"
>>2117094 "Khelif is targeted because he's not hot, unlike that crying bitch Carini who posted a bathing suit photo from the beach on insta" (paraphrased)
>>2117179 "she's really pretty and people only think she isn't because she isn't bambi filtered to hell"
>>2117184 "you're all transvestigating and it's disgusting"
>>2117191>>2117218 (freaking out because someone mentioned Lin Yu-Ting, defends Lin Yu-Ting as totally female also) also "some of you want Imane to be a man so bad, it's weird"
>>2117326 "if you want Imane to be banned for being male then you should want Michael Phelps to be banned too" (this one also might be a baiting troon, common troon argument but then goes on to say that this a result of GNC women suffering due to trannies)
>>2121130 "this whole situation feels so racial"
That's like maybe 10% of the Khelif defending posts but there were far fewer posts pointing out Khelif is male and quite a lot more of them were redtexted, I'm not even going to go into the containment threads and Olympic threads which were even worse than this thread. Sorry for the lengthy sperg I just hate that whenever GC women act like total fucking retards and Nigelfags for their pet moids and attack other women viciously like Carini, one of the
victims in the situation (as well as other lolcow nonnas, xitter radfems for being ugly middle aged women, etc) there's always some convenient excuse of 'it was the baiting troons I swear.'
No. 2478486
>>2478465Yeah this specific claim is incredibly off-color and offensive.
>>2478476God this is cringe and she claims to be an actual woman too. This is the type of cringe I usually only expect of 'lesbian' AGP TIMs.
>I want people to think I'm a woman because I'm a lesbian, not because of what I was assigned at birthI really want someone to ask this gendie moron what a lesbian is.
No. 2478497
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>>2478445Retarded takes aside, this woman's eyes are so fucking scary, holy shit dude…
No. 2478514
This is definitely bloggy as fuck, but I was hanging out with 4 of my friends, 2 of which were troons, and it made me realize how much I resent the death of all-female nerdy friend groups. They're still women but of course you can't call them that, I don't know if this makes any sense but I just wish I could have an unapologetically nerdy weird female friend group where none of them drank the gendie koolaid. The troons in question were fat and got raped as a kid so I wonder if that has anything to do with it.
One of them in particular tries so fucking hard to act like a male, or rather what a TIFs idea of a male is and it's fucking embarrassing because her interests are so overtly female. Dolls, Sanrio, MLP, yaoi etc. and here she is calling a woman she's talking to a "foid" and trying to act nonchalant when it's so obvious it's just an act. It's funny because she has the stereotypical TIF way of thinking and personality, she even has the token tranny backstory of going to a moid restroom, getting yelled at, crying, and never going back in one again. I hope they come to their senses from the bottom of my heart, it's so fucking sad.
No. 2478560
>>2478220If adult human females are so
abusive and dangerous to tim's, then why do they want to get into our spaces?
No. 2478565
>>2478253Isn't Fallon Fox the TIM who broke another womans skull and bragged about it after?
I'm glad Ashlee won, but I don't think its fair to put women in a David and Goliath situation every time they want to compete.
No. 2478582
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>>2478480It is a fact that trannies were raiding the threads Imane was brought up in. The Olympics thread was posted on 4chan, which is when all the infighting really kicked off. There were actual farmers caping for Imane, and probably also some tourists (there was a lot of Xitter lingo being used in his thread), but trannies were definitely having the time of their lives trolling in those threads.
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>>2478582moids are so pathetic, kek. i know it's beating a dead horse, yada-yada, but it's a bit entertaining to watch them screech that "f-femoids can't live w-without us", yet while we avoid engaging with them, they race to anywhere we are to seethe with only their left hand free.
No. 2478601
>>2478527I know some troons were raiding the threads talking about Khelif (there's a lot of 'what now, terves?') but a lot of the most weird, offensive or naive-seeming posts are using radfem/GC arguments common to lolcow that most troons aren't that familiar with so they were very likely regular nonnas, like
>>2117645 "hold your horses, what if we get embarrassed when it turns out she's female later"
>>2117667 (seems like a very female-typical 'give her a break, women don't always look like pretty princesses' argument)
>>2117856 many of this type of lowselfesteem post which is common on this thread outside of Khelif sperging too 'omg why can't we just be a bit GNC this makes me insecure'
>>2118541 post with a video of Khelif touching Carini's boobs got posted (and redtexted, probably for 'racebait') and somehow the weird boob-touching video engendered this bizarre response:
>>2118547 >>2118619 post extremely similar to the one upthread from yesterday
>>2119273 'if Imane was a tranny he would have gigachad neanderthal features' (implying he doesn't?)
>>2119306 this nonna earnestly responding to a troon baiting about 'GNC women, you're next, rad-to-trad pipeline, snake eating tail etc' by agreeing with the troon baiter
>>2119479 this extremely earnest post 'I have never seen this level of bandwagon hate against a woman'
>>2119485 'finally homophobic british radfems have an excuse to hate on masculine women' (I hear radfem anons saying shit like this all the time in non-Khelif contexts too)
>>2119620 nonna literally tinfoils that the people calling Khelif a man are just one or two twitter tourists
>>2119707 another earnest response to an obvious baiting tourist
>>2119727 "based as fuck" for khelif to scream 'I am a woman' after receiving apology from
victim, a bunch of people agree
>>2119826 a nona calls other anons naive and mentions the Semenya situation and another nona responds by scrotefoiling and calling her an 'incel' because Khelif is totally different than Semenya and beautiful and feminine while Semenya is a gross moid
>>2119845 another anon scrotefoils the same nona from above (and isn't redtexted)
etc…
I think a lot of the infighting was genuine because 1. this was all over the news, twitter, etc., families and friends were talking about irl so it was a genuine hot topic and 2. a lot of women, even radfem lolcow anons, are socialized to constantly feel guilt and empathy toward 'pathetic' males (which they think intersex men are) and also be easily guilt tripped by claims like 'you are actually insulting brown/black/ugly/broad shouldered women by noticing males are male' or kept in line with 'if the other leftists see you making a mistake on the internet, radical feminism will lose respect forever!!' so they will convince themselves it makes more sense to be 'nice' than call it like they see it.
Add to that the fact that nonnas are honestly chronically incapable of not falling for typical news media propaganda as long as it aligns with conventional leftist/Democrat values and the news media propaganda about this story was 'a Russian man was one of the people involved in drafting the new 'no men in women's boxing' IBF rules that got Khelif and Yu-Ting thrown out of the IBF, and Russia bad, so story fake' and 75% of the anons on the thread automatically jumped to 'Russia bad and the good, wonderful, tranny-pandering IOC would never lie' because at the end of the day most 'real and true and not like those conservative British women' radfems will always pick neoliberal moid partisan politicking over women's interests to avoid being associated with conservatives or 'bad countries'.
Ironically the IOC never lied, they were clear that men including TIMs were allowed in women's boxing and they also gave a press statement that confirmed both Khelif and Yu-Ting were DSD cases, but 'Russia bad' overtook most leftists' critical faculties on top of the performative pity for the mythical 'really masculine looking GNC brown butch lesbian that looks 100% like a man that conservatards are trying to trick us into attacking.' You already see tons of anons in this and other threads saying that sex-based bathrooms are bad because they'll just be a pretext to arrest butch lesbians, falling for the TRA/libleft propaganda about why we can't stand up for our rights, every time. Oh and also 'I'm nicer than other women because I tread lightly and don't make assumptions because I care about everyone's feelings unless it's the girl who got punched in the face so hard she forfeited her chance at an olympic medal while kneeling in tears who subsequently got hate mail from half the world and was forced to issue a public apology to the moid who beat her up and touched her boobs.'
>>2478582Yeah nonna I already said I know there were /tttt/ baiters in the thread(s), but my point is that they can't possibly have accounted for the overwhelming 80/20 split in Khelif support spanning months straight over multiple threads, especially since every other time I've seen baiting troons raid a thread nonnas push back or report them. Almost all the 'baiting tranny' posts weren't even redtexted while many of the 'Imane is male' posts were. I think this topic frustrates me because it's such a perfect example of the feminist purity politics that always plagues 'radfem' spaces, down to performatively calling a hulking ogre moid 'so pretty and feminine and sexy' over and over while saying 'I look just as masculine as him actually!'
No. 2478611
>>2478607samefag but i feel a bit sorry for him kek…i know it's just the femsoc talking but is existing in his body not painful? those big obviously fake breasts, the lip surgery, the ffs, the bbl he apparently had to get and remove. you look like a big blow up bimbo doll and i really question how the fuck is he going to age with all that plastic inside of him
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>>2478642'We' keep doing it because 'we' have actually done co-ed sports. Or read any of the academic literature out there comparing male and female strength.
No. 2478673
>>2478667You misunderstood me anon. I'm saying that people who have done co-ed sports know that a fit woman can't easily (or at all, in many cases) overpower an unfit moid, especially in combat situations. The only people naive enough to think that women could win in street fights with men are people who haven't actually done sports training with men. Yes there will always be extremely exceptional edge cases but it's delusional to say 'oh if you work out a bit at the gym you can totally overpower your average unfit moid.' Forget about a half-foot height difference and even larger wingspan difference on average between men and women, it's not even a reasonable assumption when the woman is taller and heavier.
>I'm saying strong women can defend themselves from weak scrotes. I don't understand what the purpose of this pie in the sky reality denial is. Like who does it help?
No. 2478681
>>2478673It's not denying reality to say women can defend themselves though. Most moids use weapons to attack women anyways unless it's IPV. Nobody is saying moids aren't stronger, nobody is saying a woman who does 3 bicep curls is going to beat a 6'4 200lb moid in a fight. But literally nobody is denying reality by saying "
yes there are cases where a woman can properly defend herself from a male attacking her with his fists". Women are predators too, can we stop pretending we're not? It's important to acknowledge dimorphism and it's important to prevent violence against women period. It's also important to recognize every
societal issue that contributes to the gap. Women aren't raised to be strong and little girls aren't trained like little boys. Women have much more potential, why is it denying reality to acknowledge that? Why do we deny strength from women, even if it's very different than mens? I'll never get it. Can we recognize the importance of acknowledging sex differences
while acknowledging women's potential? It's so weird.
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>>2478681There's is always some woman who absolutely hates being told defending themselves is possible and you don't have to be an uwu helpless rape bait sitting duck at all moments. they all get extremely butthurt and emotional about this. It's no use arguing with them.
No. 2478689
>>2478681As previously stated, with sufficient combat training and the element of surprise, women can sometimes hurt a moid badly enough to subsequently run away. A woman will not win in a street fight or brawl with a moid, but if a would-be mugger approaches you and you give him a good hard kick in the balls or manage to start gouging his eyes out before he grabs/punches you then you may buy yourself enough time to effectively run away. Having a gun or weapon can also work. Trying to get in a fist fight with a moid or throw a moid off who has cornered you and is trying to pin you down is near-impossible though, even for a fit woman with martial arts training. It just isn't a thing that realistically happens, almost ever.
Women (and men) are pack predators specialized for large game hunting in groups. We're not lions or tigers. It also isn't 1940; women absolutely are raised to be strong in most Western countries, it's not some untapped potential preventing women from being as strong as men, it's sexual dimorphism. I just showed you a screenshot from a scientific study where women and men of roughly equal athleticism had their punch strength compared and moid punch strength was 2.6 TIMES as high as female punch strength.
>Can we recognize the importance of acknowledging sex differences while acknowledging women's potential?Women have the potential to do a great many things, but winning brawls with moids isn't one of them. Sorry to burst your bubble.
No. 2478694
>>2478689>women absolutely are raised to be strong in most Western countriesThey absolutely aren't lol what are you talking about. Anorexia is still extremely prevalent among teenage girls, fat girls are still bullied to death. That isn't "being strong" most women are scared to start lifting because they'll be "too bulky".
>>2478688Yeah no I agree lol. I'm just gonna nope out since it's not even about troons anymore. I don't get why some women are so avoidant towards it but whatever
No. 2478696
>>2478688I did multiple martial arts for many years and spent more than a decade rock climbing, among various other competitive and non-competitive sports. I can lift more than many weak men at the gym. I'm not 'butthurt and emotional' when I say that very strong women can't overpower average unfit moids, I say this because I am a very strong women (I'm also above average moid height) and I've actually had years and years of daily practice trying to overpower moids. It's laughable to see posts about how 'a lesbian who goes to the gym and lifts a bit can overpower a 6'5 troon because he's hypotonic.'
Whenever I see women saying this 'omg unlock your hidden potential to beat moids up in street fights' shit I assume their only exposure to street fights with men is video games and choreographed fight scenes in movies. I've never met an actual female athlete who has this delusion.
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>women are at such a disadvantage
>straight up kills a man without meaning to
No. 2478707
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I hate John Oliver. He is an enemy to women. I still rement when I stopped watching him after he swore up and down rapefugees were all wonderful people who would never commit crimes. He's a sicko and Britain needs to take him back.
No. 2478737
>>2478167>>2478200can we start compiling examples of TIMs openly shitting on TIFs as the real
victims within the troon community while TIFs and handmaidens always pay lip service to them
No. 2478743
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>>2478704>>2478725this is the "fact checker" that reached out to WoLF for the segment kek. i bet his "research" team is full of other retarded troons, and theyve obviously hijacked the show for their own purposes
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>>2478703Lol obviously with a lethal weapon a woman can defend herself, we were talking about 'fist fights' or 'overpowering a moid.'
>>2478708My attitude helps because I have a realistic grasp on what I can do in a situation where I'm in danger. I know that to realistically get out of a dangerous situation with a moid I need to think fast, fight 'dirty' (going for eyes, kick to shins/knees, groin) and get out of there fast. Women who think they can get into fisticuffs with moids are more likely to risk their lives doing so. No one said to not try to fight back when a moid is attacking you and just sit there, but knowing the limits of your strength can help you stay safer. There's nothing 'spineless' about being realistic about sexual dimorphism no matter how mad it makes you that men are dramatically stronger (and on average larger) than women, have more fast-twitch muscle fiber, better grip strength, larger wingspan (more likely to land punches), more skeletal strength/bone density, etc. The male skull is stronger and thicker than the female skull, so on top of that 2.6x weaker average punch strength you are also at a disadvantage when it comes to the strength of the skull itself.
>>2478716You don't have to believe me and I'm likewise not going to believe that people who think 'a somewhat fit woman can overpower your average unfit man' have ever actually tried fighting men, sorry. Yes, cleverness and reaction time is your best bet because your chance of physically 'overpowering' a moid after a bit of strength training at the gym is incredibly low.
>you're either a man or a fat tradthot who wants to pretend her holy walking cocks are just all powerful and don't need to do anything to triumph over us weak girliesLmao imagine being this shitmad that a person with actual athletic experience is shattering your delusions about muh hypotonic men.
>>2478717It's not defeatist to accept reality nonna. Accepting reality is the first step to making smart decisions. Literally no one in the thread said women shouldn't defend themselves against men, you're just creating a ridiculous strawman because you can't defend the OP's original assertion that a lesbian who lifts some weights can easily overpower a 6'5 troon. The opposite of 'delusional' isn't 'defeatist.'
No. 2478748
>>2478689I got bullied for “looking like a bodybuilder dude” when I did martial arts and was stronk in middle school… so no girls are not encouraged to be strong. Look at all the female athletes and
abusive sports like ballet and gymnastics, those women are literally terrified of puberty because developing breasts means the end of their sports careers. No man has to worry about puberty making them unable to compete in their favorite sport and no scrote is made fun of for being strong and fit.
No. 2478749
>>2478747here's some reality for you: i am alive today because of me. i am alive today because of myself. i am alive today, because i got a fucking grip and fought. for a moment i thought, this is it, this is how my life is going to end, this man is going to kill me and there is nothing i can do about it, and that self-betrayal could have cost my damn life. i could be dead if i had kept that thought. but i didn't. i decided to at least try to fight. and i won. i am alive today because of that.
your attitude gets women killed. people like you who insert the exact idea i had in that moment leads to women dying, because they give up, thinking like you, and do not even try to fight. fuck off.
No. 2478752
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Picrel should be taught in American health classes so retards like John Oliver can't keep gaslighting people. Estrogen doesn't shrink a man's heart or bones, many of the advantages they have are from genetics and testosterone exposure throughout their whole lives (yes, even before puberty.)
No. 2478758
>>2478633Kek good eye nonna
>>2478607>watch me get called a slur waaahhh>while obviously walking around being filmed in the city’s clubbing district Oh no! A super drunk girl was shocked at your uncanny valley ass walking around and exclaimed drunkenly “is that a tranny?” Sorry scrote, when people are drunk and they see a freak of nature they are gonna make loud comments, this is America and we’re Americans. Something tells me he would have liked to have been called a whore or a slut by a scrote cause it would have been ~validating~ to be seen as a woman by a man. Also feel like he wouldn’t have posted a video of a man calling him a tranny for some reason even though that’s innately more of a threat than a random drunk girl seeing this monstrosity and gasping “is that a tranny???” Trannies on SM are turbo pickmes.
No. 2478764
>>2478694Anorexia is still prevalent among a small number of teenaged girls but women being encouraged to do sports, or go to the gym (and actually lift, as opposed to slaving away on the elliptical for 2 hours) is extremely prevalent compared to even 15 years ago. Fat girls are in general not strong (not saying bullying of fat women is okay, but to be ideally strong and fit a girl should probably be normal weight and muscular, which is currently a fairly trendy body type compared to when I was growing up). A large number of the women I know lift and I haven't heard any woman complaining it will make her 'bulky' in the better part of a decade.
It's a very good thing women are being pushed into sports and fitness more than in the past, even if a few girls are still anorexic, but the overall difference in male and female strength (and power, which is a bigger differential than strength) isn't just a difference in training.
>>2478732I completely agree nonna. Even males should avoid fighting as much as they can in self defense situations, but this is doubly true for women. Anyone who has ever taken a respectable self defense course knows this - if you don't have a weapon, run if you can. If you can't run, try to do something unexpected and shocking to give yourself time to run. Worst case scenario, try to protect your neck and head, get onto the ground, tuck your knees etc. as women have a better chance with men in a grappling situation than a punching situation and try to get at his eyes, ears, etc with your teeth or elbow at the first opportunity.
>>2478749That's really great for you anon, you should be proud of yourself, sincerely, but none of that changes the fact that women typically can't win fights with moids. Encouraging the delusional belief that you can 'easily overpower a moid in a street fight' is literally encouraging women to get themselves into dangerous situations unnecessarily. There is absolutely no point in encouraging women to endanger themselves due to delusional thinking.
>your attitude gets women killed. No, it doesn't. It gets women to be realistic and protect themselves. Again, stop strawmanning me and other anons. No one, I repeat, no one, in the thread has said 'women should give up and not try to fight their way to safety.'
No. 2478780
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We all know this subreddit is fucked but this post was especially male.
OP is obviously a trans lesbian, has adhd and autism and is poly as well. Suck my dick or you're a bigot.
No. 2478807
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I hate male TRAs so fucking much. This trash husband cares more about the feelings of his fellow moids than sex-based violence against women. He goes the the fucking tranny subreddit to complain about his thirdie wife being le ebil TERF, even though she doesn’t even know what that means kek. His wife is based and I hope she kills him.
No. 2478820
>>2478749Yeah women underestimate themselves way too much. There’s no secret to unlocking cracked physical strength as a woman but dropping the self doubt will undeniably help many women. Being realistic doesn’t mean being cynical. Women are pressured to starve, stay in the house all day, and hate themselves, all from a young age. Many young girls are malnourished. Women definitely aren’t promoted to be strong. No physical advantages women have are pointed out unless it has to do with child rearing or being pretty. Single sex spaces done right are important because they not only “protect” women physically, but they protect women from a sex that will literally do biowarfare by jizzing on toilets and in public pools. No amount of being cracked can protect women from that other than legality. I’m glad defending yourself got you out of that situation nona.
When highlighting dimorphism we should acknowledge female advantages too honestly, outside of trannyshit. But inside of trannyshit there’s a reason you don’t see many troons trying to be gymnasts against women kek
No. 2478835
these people are admitting that they don’t see gender nonconforming women as women.
No. 2478845
>>2478794Libfems have psyop-ed women into believing that we’re basically just biological men-lite and that we should behave exactly like men in the name of feminism. Ironically, this is how medieval physicians also thought about women too, minus the acting like men part. The reality is that we are biologically different from men, and that’s a very hard pill for ex-libfems and ex-TRAs to swallow. Your value as a human being is not diminished by being physically weaker than the average man. That’s a MALE way of thinking. Women have so much value outside of what men value, like brute strength.
This is an issue that I’ve personally have had to grapple with as an ex-questioning/gendie who competed in male sports (wresting) at the varsity level. It was brutally hard, but I learned a lot about myself and my womanhood because when you actually physically compete against men in sports you can’t deny the biological difference anymore. Thankfully, I’ve come out of that experience as a much more confident person because I can see my own value without anti-scientific coping about how I could be as strong as my male teammates if I just pushed myself harder. Instead, I learned to work with what I have (stronger hips, etc) and recognize the amount of effort I was putting in just to compete. There was no female wrestling team at my school, so that was not an option.
No. 2478849
>>2478725One of his arguments was basically just
>Reeee why are Republicans spending so much money on ads about troon sports when there are so many other crises going onAnd my response to that is that TRAs
made this a problem in the first place. It went from something normies could reasonably put up with like calling people by new names, to absurd shit like chemically castrating middle schoolers, placing male rapists in women's prisons, and putting female athletes' safety at risk by putting males in women's contact sports. You can't really blame Republicans for recognizing that as the weak link in the Democrats' platform and exploiting it. This would not have become a wedge issue if Democrats weren't so eager to kow-tow to TRAs' most absurd demands.
And the left was wasting millions of dollars on pro-troon shit long before the right was doing the same thing against it. A lot of the same crises were going on during the first Trump presidency, but that didn't stop lefties from disproportionately wasting resources on a small subset of insane people who they randomly decided were the "most oppressed minority in America." TRAs keep whipping out the "there are so few troons in sports anyway, why does it matter," argument, moving us from the "it didn't happen" part of the narcissist's prayer to the "it's not that bad, it's not a big deal" part. It's a sign that they know they're on the back foot; they
know that saying there's no male athletic advantage after HRT is a vulnerable position, a bailey, so they're moving to their motte, which is to downplay the prevalence of the problem. Thing is, it only takes
one cheater to ruin a game, and when a man could easily kill a woman in a contact sport, allowing even
one is an indefensible gamble. A gamble they're willing to make here, and that they're also willing to make with all their "pro sex work" crap, even though they know that put female lives at risk, too. The hypocrisy of saying that Republicans are lying when they say they care about women when Democrats do the exact same thing. Neither party gives a rat's ass about women or their safety, they just want our votes.
No. 2478854
>>2478835this
triggered ginger should be a soyjak
No. 2478856
>>2478814>For starters, women live longer and aren't as likely to kill people.Women also do better at most school subjects, are more agreeable, better at reading social signals and working together, more likely to stay calm in difficult situations and not rage out like a tard, more peaceful, imo more creative and innovative, and less degenerate. Also, women just look cuter by default which a vain bitch like me thinks is a win kek
There is literally nothing I want to do or be in life that requires me to be bigger or stronger than men, so I don't see as bad to be the smaller variety of human. I just do not strive for violence and in most cases I can still do anything a man can, like climbing a mountain may be easier for a man but I can still do it no problem. "But men can carry heavier stuff or punch harder" so what, I'm just gonna use a pallet truck and get a gun kek work smarter nor harder!
No. 2478879
>>2478846Lord it took me watching this like 3 times to understand what she even meant by 'that's ironic.'
>>2478849You took the words right out of my mouth. Whenever retarded idpol-loving sjw democrat mouthpieces and journoscum who died on this hill for the last decade pull out the 'why do Republicans care about this minor issue anyway?' I just want to scream. Are they retarded? Republicans care because Democrats are willingly dying on the hill of what they themselves admit is an 'insignificant' issue. If it's so silly and insignificant why can't they drop it?
>It's a sign that they know they're on the back footThis is the only positive of the whole situation, it feels like they're finally realizing they overplayed their hand. I keep hearing a specific number bandied about by Democrat media personalities (Cenk Uygur was one I remember distinctly) claiming there are 'only 120 trans people in America so your chance of encountering one in sports is disappearingly small! Most of them probably don't even like sports anyway!' and I love that they're making this argument because it exposes how blatantly ridiculous the whole ploy is.
No. 2478887
>>2477235im asexual, ive never been sexually attracted to anyone my entire life im 30 now, even people i was in relationships with. men women and trans regrettably. frankly im pretty, not autistic, and ive never had issues finding people who were attracted to me, but ive always prefered my platonic relationships over trying to make regular relationships work bc sex just feels so forced. to put it into normie terms, it feels like how imagine a lesbian would feel like having sex with a man, even if hes a nice guy or theyre friends, its not the same. its just not enjoyable when your not attracted to the person.
i woudln't say we get descriminated against but people dont believe it, saying "well if you jerk off you must not be ace" (tmi but i still get urges or w/e but i never even considered seeking out another person to fufill them) or "you just need to get your hormones checked" (i have they're fine) or "everyones sexual you just need to find your kink" or "you just need to get a good dick" or the worst is that "all women hate sex, you just need to get over yourself."
people just dont get it and honestly, i dont really care if they do or dont. im not some whining gendie who cries about people not getting it, if you don't force me to do anything i dont want to do, it's w/e.
No. 2478896
>>2478814>>2478856Thanks, nonas. I guess it's easy to forget what women are good at and I get a little insecure over that kek. The chart annoys me because it's "Fast facts about sports", so I expected a healthy balance between the two genders, not for all of it to be about male advantages in sports. Like surely women have something? But
>>2478856 is right, we are great in so many other fields that I would prefer over sports.
No. 2478927
>>2478896There is no 'healthy balance between the genders' in sports. There's a tiny handful of conventional sports where women about break even or have a slight advantage (women and men are about equally good at air rifle shooting, for example, sometimes break even in extremely long distance running/swimming, and female gymnasts are better at/have certain specific events that men don't have due to better balance - beam in particular - while male gymnasts excel at strength-based shit like pommel horse which female gymnasts don't do) but that's pretty much it for conventional Olympic-type competition sports. If you want a chart that's equal between men and women you need to look outside of conventional athletic competitions. Like another anon said, conventional athletics was invented by moids for moids to showcase their own physical advantages, so it's as unreasonable to expect women to be just as good at by-men for-men athletic competitions as it is for men to be at, idk, breastfeeding.
When you look at 'athletic activities' that women largely invented or pioneered you start to see more female advantages - for example ballet en pointe, most moids have inferior balance and would find it quite difficult so they are usually the less 'flashy' ballet role. Contortionism etc. favors women due to better flexibility. Sports with thrown aerials (like the female half of a figure skating pair or flyers on a cheerleading team) the woman gets to do more of the aerial jumps and spins, etc. Anything that requires balance, lightness and flexibility is likely to favor women in a lot of regards but that tends to be more 'artistic' sports rather than 'objectively measured' ones like running or swimming.
No. 2478961
>>2478935Right I forgot about equestrian sports but that's a well known example. As I mentioned earlier rock climbing can be a relatively even playing field depending on the type of climb, but there's a stereotype that women are better 'technical' climbers and pick up technique more naturally which somewhat compensates for male strength advantages. There's also certain types of climbs that favor lower center of gravity, smaller extremities etc (and obviously all climbs favor lightness). In competitive dance there's typically no obvious advantage of being male, etc.
In general even in sports where males have obvious physical advantages I've noticed women often excel more at good technique, remaining calm etc. Not in an athletic context, but I can swim for hours continuously without any athletic training due to higher bf content, when I go leisure swimming with men they get tired and have to go back to shore much earlier, sometimes they will go back to shore several times before I even get out of the water and I can routinely swim a few miles in a leisurely way despite not having any actual swimming 'training' or even good technique. For the vast majority of us who aren't aiming to become competitive/professional athletes stuff like this is more meaningful anyway. I used to dance a lot and women often picked up choreography a lot quicker than men and were naturally much more graceful. As soon as you get your mind off the moidbrained standard of 'who do ugga ugga brute strength thing better like ancient hunter' the idea of natural male strength/speed advantage becomes far less depressing. The one thing I would really like to see a troon compete in (the women's division of) but will likely never see in my lifetime is women's gymastics.
No. 2478962
>>2478865Were you replying to my post nonna
>>2478845? I reposted to edit so hopefully I’m not assuming wrongly here kek. I’ve also done rock-climbing and co-ed martial arts! Funny that we’ve both done those sports. I agree that it can be very rewarding to compete against men in more casual settings, especially as an adult, due to the reasons you listed. Sparring women vs sparring men is a very different because of how much more aggressive and offensive men are. Women tend to be more defensive and wait for you to strike.
I understand why some nonnies in this thread find this chart disheartening
>>2478752, but it’s simply the truth. If you’ve ever been a serious athlete, you
know it’s true. I realized it was true when I worked twice as hard as my male teammates during weightlifting to get 30% of the gains. During that time, I cut my hair off and wore a binder, but every one still treated me as a girl too kek. I’m glad I realized it, because now I can compete with men without destroying my self-esteem when I don’t win.
No. 2478977
>>2478962Yeah I replied to the first version of your post but then you edited.
>If you’ve ever been a serious athlete, you know it’s true. That's what I was trying to say earlier but then was accused of either being a moid or, ahem, 'fat tradthot who wants to pretend her holy walking cocks are just all powerful.' It's really unfortunate that the two options in many women's minds are reality denial or tardwife resigned to being an eternal
victim, and you get accused of misogyny for just pointing out natural differences between the sexes. In a gender critical thread of all places I think it's worth pointing out that we are not all blank slates. In fact that's important because once you actually understand this it also helps explain why moids managed to implement patriarchy all over the world in the vast majority of historical societies.
Moids will tell you (and themselves) it's due to their inherent intelligence, rationality, innovativeness, etc. and women often fall for this (even if subconsciously). But the real reason is just that moids have used their physical strength and willingness to be violent to control women, especially effective when women are trying to protect children and are often partially incapacitated by pregnancy/postpartum health effects at the same time (although there are theories that earlier in human history childbirth was not as traumatic to the body). It's actually liberating to realize that the whole system of sex-based oppression is based almost entirely on the moid tendency to chimp out and try to physically and reproductively control women. Sports is one of the very few areas where theres an inherent, non-social reason for women's lower performance, but innovativeness, intellect, creativity, prosociality, rationality, etc. don't inherently disfavor women and are not the reasons we didn't write as many books or paint as many paintings or engineer as many cathedrals.
No. 2479014
>>2478990It's not a new concept for blackpill anons but it is a liberating concept for the vast majority of women who actually buy into 'male brain female brain' gendershit. Girls and women are inundated from birth with the messaging that we never had a prominent place in society because men are the 'natural born leaders,' because they were superior at everything throughout history, and that feminist attempts to claw our way toward equality of opportunity is actually a perverse form of affirmative action worsening society by prioritizing irrational, uncreative, low-IQ fem brained shit which will lead to the collapse of society. For women who have been affected by that mentality their whole lives it's actually unironically liberating to realize that none of that is true and moids just controlled everything because they're a lot bigger and stronger and willing to be violent.
>nothing we can do about moids upper body strength and they will continue to abuse women with itYeah but most women were already aware of that deep down too, so this isn't anything new. Women who don't realize and acknowledge that are just more likely to put themselves in risky situations. There's never really been a world without violence but there have been centuries, millennia even, of worlds without female parity in the arts, science, literature, politics, education, etc.
No. 2479046
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as much as i hate tims/tifs the nonbinaries are the absolute worst. gassing themselves up for doing basically nothing
No. 2479051
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>>2479046actually the comments are interesting.
https://www.tumblr.com/quietwingsinthesky/778902540279529472/the-thing-about-being-nonbinary-is-that-you-really a few women admit to almost becoming terfs but don't extrapolate on what kept them from peaking completely.
No. 2479055
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>It takes mere hours for a troon to get indoctrinated back into the cult
This troon is my personal lolcow, His account really shows the mindset of the troon before trooning out
No. 2479079
>>2478704I clicked through it. His arguments were:
>Not all troons can beat women so it's not an issue.>Not all sports are full contact ie combat. Really danced around the ones that were.>Donald Trump said he could out swim a former national swimmer and he's obviously wrong so it's wrong everywhere.>A woman got mad when she tied with a troon swimmer they gave him the above medal and took his photos for the medal photoshoot. She was (probably) right wing so it doesn't matter.The only thing I could kind of agree with is pre puberty age sports should be mixed. The last ten minutes are just ranting that this is all a smokescreen but this isn't what the video is about John. I wish England would take this asshole back.
No. 2479093
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>>2479080Ive been saying LGB instead of LGB(TQIA+) now, because
>transtrenders have a separate mental disorder > “queer” isnt based off anything substantial, only attention seekers call themselves this>intersex is a physical genetic disorder that doesnt affect personality and can live a completely normal life>asexualism is not having a sexuality and the term shouldnt be used and revoked on a whimits insane how they want to push anything other than LGB on us, and they even try to add more made up words because the last 4 they added werent bullshitty enough, like what the fuck is trigender
No. 2479111
>>2479089Insanely clown world shit where able-bodied white guys living in first world countries have found a way to be "oppressed". Ive actually seen gay and bisexual men do a similar thing where they pretend their life is horrible and their parents are terrible to them, when they literally have supportive parents and grew up upper-middle class. Wtf is wrong with men and their fetish for being a
victim?
No. 2479147
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Has anyone else noticed that for embedding links on places like discord and elsewhere troons have been using "girlcockx" instead of adding fx, fixup, etc for links to embed (discord won't embed them unless you add stuff beforehand). They can't help but try to push their degeneracy even on something as small as a url embed. Pic related, grabbed it off twitter randomly just to illustrate what I mean.
No. 2479157
>>2478779Listen. Its not anti feminist to understand the average scrote athlete is going to perform better physically than the average female athlete. We don't go around saying humans are weak because we can't win hand-to-hand combat against a bull elephant.
Its hard to know how to survive in a situation with a feral scrote. Of course women should all be encouraged to be as strong as possible, but when troons enter our athletic arenas it throws a wrench in that.
No. 2479161
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>>2479145Saw this earlier, seems relevant
No. 2479176
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>>2479051Picrel is my fav, drops
TERF truth bomb about how all normal people feel but
>then I realized I was agenderSo close but so far.
No. 2479185
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>When they're done with trans people, they will come for you.
Someone give to this TIF a history book about the rampant homophobia that gay people had to endure before being trans started to get trendy.
No. 2479191
>>2479084You don't need an 'excuse' to be ugly retard. 'Women need to be pretty' is pretty much the definition of gender ideology.
>>2479093I've started using 'LGB' in like every single social situation even around total gendies and zero people have tried to start a fight with me so far, knock on wood. In my retarded country the official acronym is supposed to be like 2SLQBGIAQQ+ or something because of the fake made up native third gender term that was actually invented by white people, here's a clip of former PM Troondeau trying to say one of these acronyms and failing repeatedly.
No. 2479201
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>>2479108>>2479085Black and Latino people in the United States actually have a higher incidence of troons than white people do. You're just exposed to white troons because those are the ones that spend the most time online. I'm willing to bet that non-white troons are also more likely to be HSTSes, while whites are more likely to be AGPs. Conservative attitudes towards gay people in the U.S. South and among blacks/Latinos might be
causing more HSTSes to troon out. Suburban whites troon out for different reasons than blacks and Latinos. These white kids are bored, porn addicted, and want to feel special despite being straight, so they become AGP troons. On the other hand, black and Latino kids are expected to adhere more rigidly to gender stereotypes, so when they're gay, they might choose to be a "straight transgirl" instead. Very generally speaking (obviously there are exceptions) non-white people transition in an attempt to escape oppression, while white people transition to LARP being oppressed. Hope that makes sense.
No. 2479212
>>2479186Lol nonna jinx.
>>2479098The 'sex positivity' plague of the late 2000s/early 2010s was a scourge upon society. So glad zoomer girls seem to have nipped it in the bud somewhat. The label 'asexual' for so many people just felt like the one excuse that was being offered to young women who were creeped out by hypersexualization (of themselves and others) and pro-kink everything. I was a contrarian asshole though so while other people were adopting the 'ace' label I told everyone I was either 'sex negative' or a 'prude.' So many gendie libfems tried to explain to me 'no, you're not sex negative, that's a bad thing! I think you mean asexual' and I would insist 'no, I'm sex negative.' It was equally effective at getting people to shut up.
>she previously identified as nonbinary because that was the natural thing to do when you weren't a "typical girl" even though it didn't feel quite right, she had never learned the term tomboyYou used to not have to 'identify as' anything. Other people would call you a tomboy, it wasn't something you called yourself. You didn't order people around telling them what they're supposed to think of you. I think that's why the identity issue is so confusing for so many zoomers, too young to remember when telling other people what to label you as would just get you called a poser.
No. 2479218
>>2477582This is actually fucking crazy. I'm ashamed to admit back during the Olympics I bought into the "they're just masculine women" retardation because some women
do have more naturally masculine faces/bodies and I didn't wanna come off as racist (especially after all the gendie accusations of "terfs" being white supremacist nazis). But seeing them again now is blowing my fucking mind, how could I have ever gotten psyoped into thinking these were masc women? They don't look even slightly feminine no matter how you cut it. Even the butchiest butches and the most roided up, passing TIFs retain certain feminine features once you're looking for it, but there's absolutely nothing female about these asian moids.
Fuck, I cannot believe I actually bought into the lie that they wouldn't let trannies compete in the Olympics just because they got rid of that gigahon "lia" thomas. I was really naive to think desperate shithole countries wouldn't shove some anachan scrotes into female categories just to secure gold.
No. 2479220
>>2479212I was literally just about to bring up the concept of being a "poser", haha. In the late 2000s/early 2010s even, if you wanted to fit in with a community you would NEVER give yourself a label, you just act like that's always been your lifestyle and that it comes naturally to you. If you call
yourself a punk, goth, hipster, whatever label, the more inauthentic it seems and it's a huge faux pas. I have no idea when everything changed but it's surprising that it's just accepted to call yourself whatever you want and everyone is expected to go along with it, like playing make-believe with a child who tells you that they're actually a dragon or a dog.
No. 2479221
>>2479201when they use shit like "identify" how do we know these are real
POC and not people further larping for attention points? im sure a venn diagram of white ppl who identify as transgender and white ppl who claims native american ancestry is slowly becoming a circle
No. 2479222
>>2478846This reminds of what Katie Herzog (a futchy lesbian with short hair) does when people ask her what he pronouns are. She says her response is to say, "what do
you think?"
No. 2479223
>>2479199Canada is and has been for a very long time way more liberal, woke, and idpol-obsessed than the US. Our fundamental culture is far less based on individual rights and freedoms (we don't really have a functioning constitution, we don't have 'inalienable' rights under Canadian law, etc) and a lot of Canadian culture is just shitting on the US for being too right wing. Since I was in elementary school, every single Canadian bragged that our most far right party is way further left than the US Democratic party. But it's the same globalist neoliberal corpocuck version of 'leftism' as anywhere else and the single most important thing to our government - other than siphoning all our wealth away and turning Canada into a third world economy propped up on a real estate bubble as fast as possible - is to be as performatively obsessed with every single minority and 'progressive' cause as is humanly possible. That's why we have child euthanasia, forced euthanasia, euthanasia for mental illness, insane speech laws like being legally forced to go along with neopronouns in public (Bill C-16), it's illegal not to use your child's preferred pronouns and you'll be put in prison for it, etc. Anything that's more progressive than any other country's bullshit is the first thing the Canadian government will race to do, and Canadians will re-elect the same government every election because 'we couldn't elect someone less progressive! our government isn't progressive enough!'
No. 2479233
>>2479201>identify as hispanic>indentify as blackwhats next, we can indentify as cats and dogs now? we can indentify as famous celebrities?
this whole identity movement is based on protecting the fees fees of people who become suicidal when they cant be something they physically cannot be
No. 2479236
>>2479223It's honestly crazy how much neoliberalism has brainwashed people into voting for obviously insane and self destructive stuff.
I'm glad some countries are finally turning around but I'm legitimately worried about places like Canada and Britain. If they keep importing replacements while euthanizing the current population they are just going to turn into India/ Pakistan 2.0.
No. 2479246
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>>2479168Sometimes when men DO outperform other men they're ostracized for it. Black moids outperform white moids ALOT, yet white moids (the same ones who specifically think women are inferior because of our physical abilities) tend to think dewesthasfallen because of it rather than thinking black moids are superior. It's all bullshit. You can't win because they'll always twist the rules to benefit their specific group. I do think it's also retarded to act like moids can beat up women to a pulp effortlessly and ignoring the fact that women being forced to stay in the house all day and starve themselves for centuries has significantly contributed to our strength nowadays is bullshit. Even if the message at the end is something feminist, ignoring dimorphism and exaggerating it has the same effect. I'm going to go on a tangent but it'll make sense. It's like kicking women out of the military and not letting women be cops under the control of the sentiment that women are to be protected from men, by men, even if it harms them, which ALSO furthers the sentiment for discrimination in other careers. I know none of you are saying this but I legit have seen women thinking it's feminist to believe those things because women shouldn't be in danger. Which ignores the fact that being able to defend your country is the ability to defend yourself by proxy. It's why alot of women in wartorn countries would rather join whatever female force there is than stay home and be comfy (which isn't real during times of war, even in countries back in the day where women wouldn't be in the military, they'd be working the mines without being paid lol[because female strength and labor isn't seen as valuable compared to male labor]). THAT's the issue with exaggerating dimorphism, it's a major aspect of the "nationalistic moids must protect their pure trad wives, because it takes women longer to build the muscle and strength to lift 200lb than men" (not that they're not able to, that it takes different training!) I'm not going after any specific nona saying this either, because I think we all know moids thinking that is dumb. But the libfem psyop of "dimorphism isn't real" and the """Realist""" idea of "dimorphism is actually so apparent that women will snap in half if a 14 year old male looks at them" are both extremely harmful, just in different ways. Yes women can fight and female strength is valuable and should be valued and we should push younger women to their full potential, yes males have a much greater advantage when it comes to fighting specifically due to male intrasexual competition. The male strength currency is also very fake because it ignores the advantages
females have, like our ability to run/swim for much longer than males, which was probably extremely compatible with the ways in which prehistoric humans would hunt. Humans hunted with tools and in groups, males ability to punch didn't really mean shit, other than being able to punch males they're competing with. I think we should want our daughters and our nieces to be stronger than us and their daughters and nieces to be stronger than them. Strength should be promoted in women more, trannies shitting up women's sports makes the problem worse because it's not even just about the competition it's about the community. Because when there ARE exceptions and there ARE fringe cases of women beating trannies, it's not like it happens all the time. But you're not denying dimorphism by pointing it out, that women beating trannies (and moids that weren't pumped with hormones sometimes like vidrel) is rare but isn't the rarest thing ever. Trannies are quick to deny the advantage, they're quick to homogenize all sex differences at the expense of women. It's important to be truly realistic about dimorphism, to weigh women's advantages and disadvantages. It's important to recognize women's strength value and to see where it is being belittled. and it is ESPECIALLY important to deny the male strength currency myth, the myth that your value is dependent on your strength, and point out where males are weaponizing it to keep women down.
TL;DR (or just my general message so no one misinterprets it and gets aggro):
>Men's strength currency is made up and used to degrade women, but it means nothing because men don't like stronger men who are of groups they don't like. It's purely weaponized against women.>Women should not be blocked off from careers that involve combat or physical strength under the guise of "protecting women">Sexual dimorphism can be both denied and exaggerated, both having negative effects on women. >Women have untapped potential, even in contemporary western society their potential isn't as explored as males. Women are often capped as little girls and are told to be smaller for the male. Women have also been weakened through generations of oppression Women should promote physical strength in other women over beauty.>Women deserve their own spaces. Even if women were stronger than men (and somehow still oppressed), we would deserve our own spaces. We deserve solidarity.>Trannies are ugly and socially ostracize and torment women, even online where they can't physically harm us. No. 2479250
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>>2479218>and I didn't wanna come off as racist (especially after all the gendie accusations of "terfs" being white supremacist nazis)Lol yep I suspect this is the only reason most people accepted the Imane Khelif is female lie. On lolcow itself it was constant wall-to-wall infighting about whether people are just being racist against MENA women or 'gender essentialist' and not accepting GNC women. This is why I don't let TRAs use this shit to guilt trip me anymore. I know I'm not so racist that I think women look like men just because they're from a slightly different ethnicity than me. I know I don't have 'gender essentialist' beliefs or think that women all need to look feminine. It's basically just purity politics and peer pressure masquerading as 'feminism.' There are occasionally some actually female high-level athletes who look almost androgynously masculine to me in certain photos where they'd make me pause and think twice but they never look as unambiguously male as these boxers and the two boxer moids came with karyotyping and testosterone tests as proof - both Yu-Ting (picrel, he wasn't posted itt recently) and Khelif did. They aren't trannies per se but the rule allowing them to compete would also have allowed male troons to compete if any had wanted to.
There also were other male troons in the Olympics recently, idk about Paris but at the last ones there was Laurel Hubbard in weight lifting for example (worth looking him up if you don't know about him). The different events at the Olympics have different international regulating bodies so just because swimming banned males doesn't mean running, weight lifting, boxing, judo, etc. will also ban them.
No. 2479258
>>2479220>like playing make-believe with a child who tells you that they're actually a dragon or a dog.That is basically what it is. It comes from an incredibly childish mindset and that's why older normies find libsoftiktok type videos so unbearably cringe. Not just because the people are weird but because the whole attitude is that of an overgrown child. Then the zoomers making the tiktoks call these confused older millennials/gen x/boomers 'evil bigots' for being confused by the concept of self-ID but the concept of self-ID really only started with younger millennials.
I can't pinpoint when it was exactly either but I feel like it was sometime in the early or mid-2010s that it became really popular to just call yourself 'queer' as a vague 'I'm cool' marker and then increasingly people started adding microlabels to 'queer' and suddenly there were 72 genders, every normal outfit is some random 'aesthetic' like 'dark academia' or 'tomato girl' when it's just like pants and a tweed blazer or a white blouse and red lipstick, self-dx with mental illness also became socially acceptable around that time so we started getting all the DID spergs and autism/adhd fakers, self-dx'd cluserbees, etc.
No. 2479299
>>2479231I don't want to give away my exact location but I live downtown in one of the major Canadian cities (they're all extremely woke-kweer honestly anyway it's probably similar for all the big three) and I don't think it would be an exaggeration to say that I see a dozen or more pretty much every time I briefly pop outside for a quick errand. Lots of very obvious AGP TIMs and enby moids in particular, I don't see as many transitioned TIFs in this neighborhood (although I had two living right next to me in my apartment building but one of them might have moved out) but there's a ton of essentially unclockable TIFs who look like normal alt women who I'd never know are in possession of pronouns unless they told me. That's just random public situations though, I'm in a (not very progressive) music scene and I know at least like 5-6 TIMs who are prominent in the scene plus I'd say like a third of all the women are some form of enby.
After I graduated from college for about three years in the early-mid 2010s (I 'peaked' around 2016 although I never really believed in libfem TRA stuff fully or fully went along with it) I was part of an extended friend group/social scene where I'd say at least 60% of all the people I knew were some form of TIF or TIM (including enbies). It wasn't even like I deliberately sought those people out, I was in a hard STEM degree in university that was mostly asian international student moids and a few high-achieving preppy women but the friends I made casually around my neighborhood or at parties/in interest groups all started trooning out en masse around 2012-2014 so at some point any party I went to I was one of the only non-gendie people there. I was mostly a semi-libfem semi-crypto-doubter back then (even though back then people weren't as aggressive about it and you could get away with asking pointed questions or 'forgetting' pronouns occasionally) so I managed to survive in that social circle for a while but it was becoming so oppressively horrible a social environment I was starting to feel upset all the time, getting drunk and ranting to my roommate any time I came back from hanging out with friends, just feeling more and more uneasy. I got the opportunity to move apartments a couple years after college and I moved into an immigrant-heavy neighborhood which gave me an excuse to slow-fade that friend group and pretty much cut them all out because they were too lazy to come hang out in my part of town and eventually started forgetting to invite me to parties. Best decision I ever made honestly, even though my current neighborhood is full of other types of problems I don't regret getting out of the trooniest part of town. My current part of town is full of troons too but not anyone I know/recognize for the most part so it's okay, I openly laugh at them or give them the up-and-down when I pass them on the street and I haven't gotten punched yet but I avoid interacting with them. Getting through grad school was the hardest part because the university had strict rules but, again, STEM program so there weren't gendies in my classes or anything and most of the profs were too out of the loop to enforce the rules. I don't think your average person is getting arrested for not using pronouns in public or whatever but the law is there and they do enforce it occasionally, especially in the 'Human Rights Court' kangaroo courts that we have in Canada (separate from the legal court system).
I think how many trannies you encounter here is very neighborhood-dependent, we had like 5 million Punjabis immigrate to Canada in the last 3-4 years so there are entire parts of cities where no one even speaks English or knows what a troon is and then there's city centers like where I live where they're literally everywhere. I'm not crypto anymore and I pretty much get away with it most of the time considering I curated a friend group of people more similar to me ideologically but there have definitely been times when I got in trouble before, not legal trouble but severe social shaming and some professional situations too. I think it's the worst for parents because of ROGD and what they're doing in the schools. And probably non-STEM or undergraduate college students.
No. 2479301
>>2479206In my case it was because an infamous TIM was under the radar for his
abusive tendencies and identity thief, but people would scream at you for saying he than "respecting her identity". He would steal from these people and they would accept it gladly.
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>>2479246Great post and I agree with the general thrust of your argument even though I'm one of the anons it's probably directed at. I think some minor points are inaccurate though:
>I legit have seen women thinking it's feminist to believe those things because women shouldn't be in danger.I think there's actually three main reasons many feminists are against women joining the military en masse, and they're a little more nuanced than this. 1. Women can get pregnant (including from rape while in the army/on active duty) and are the primary caretakers of children (good reasons for this, we're more responsible and less likely to molest and abuse kids) so seeing moids as more fundamentally disposable in war and trying to protect women is actually broadly speaking a result of trying to protect the species, nationality or kin group. When men are treated as cannon fodder in wars women can still easily preserve the population, and if a huge number of men die in war it doesn't significantly affect overall fertility rate while losing a similar number of women in war definitely will, plus it will make the women who survive more vulnerable to male violence as we see whenever the sex balance in a country is skewed heavily toward males (as in India, China).
2. Moids are typically more violent and are the ones who want to start conflicts all the time anyway so many women just don't want to be a part of it and don't really think it's any of their business. It might be different in an active war zone type of situation but in peacetime or in countries that wage pointless wars on foreign soil like the US/many NATO countries, a lot of women just don't feel motivated to get caught up in male chimpout behaviors unnecessarily.
3. Depending on the type of position, women actually are a tactical liability, especially for infantry/'ground army' type situations. Women menstruate, are slower and can't carry as much healthily/easily (yes, even if women are able to eventually meet the quotas for how much they have to carry, it is harder and more taxing on our bodies and in non-ideal situations will slow us down compared to moids), smaller women are often physically incapable of carrying moids to safety on the battlefield regardless of the amount of training they get due to basic physical limitations, women need special sleeping arrangements and rules to avoid male predation in warzones (males are far more likely to rape in these situations), etc. Armies that actively recruit women, like the US army, have been forced to lower physical standards for female recruits over time because it actually wasn't possible to recruit enough women who were able to meet male fitness benchmarks and they realized this after the fact. That doesn't mean women can't be in other military roles or police roles (actually I think women should do more policing since we tend to be calmer and better at de-escalating), navigation, etc. but even roles like flying fighter jets where women have some natural advantages in focus etc. are also too physically taxing for some smaller/less muscular women due to the amount of physical manhandling (sorry) that smaller fighter planes require. So overall between those three points imo it's a lot more complicated than just 'women are trad and don't want to be in danger, need moid to protect.'
>being forced to stay in the house all day and starve themselves for centuries has significantly contributed to our strength nowadays is bullshitThat's not exactly how epigenetics works. Yes, malnourished women would carry less healthy babies overall which would lead to an overall decrease in offspring fitness but this should apply roughly equally to male and female offspring (if anything, male offspring are more resource-intensive in the womb and more taxing on a pregnant mother so they would be harder-hit by maternal malnutrition if anything). Women historically being malnourished or weak wouldn't genetically or evolutionarily lead to increased sexual dimorphism per se. You see this in countries with very good nutrition - average height and skeletal size/density is shooting up for both males and females of the younger generations. Human beings already have relatively less sexual dimorphism than our Great Ape relatives so if anything sexual dimorphism seems to be evolutionarily converging. The best thing that female emancipation does for female children is social - healthy and athletic mothers are more likely to raise and encourage daughters to be healthy and athletic, but there's still a strength/speed/power/size ceiling for women that is relatively much lower than men's no matter how strong we get compared to our mothers. Our brothers would also theoretically get proportionately even stronger if raised in the same way.
>male strength currency is also very fake because it ignores the advantages females have, like our ability to run/swim for much longer than malesI think reports of this have been highly exaggerated. Last I checked the world record for ultra-distance swimming was held by a male and males still have a slight edge in ultramarathons as well (although not by much, I think the split of winners is something like 60/40 favoring males). Your general point that women generally have endurance advantages over males is true, and males have earlier senescence and become decrepit earlier in life while women remain healthier/fitter for longer, but these aren't huge advantages in fighting or self defense per se. Female defense and survival strategies are just generally different and I think history has proven that a more reliable strategy for safety/self-preservation is a mostly social/cooperative one rather than an increased emphasis on physical training (although this doesn't hurt, either). Women also have hormonal cycles that can make consistent athletic training more taxing and harmful to the female body depending on the time of month/time of life/etc. so we generally need to approach nutrition, fitness, and athletic training differently from moids. Unironically women would improve their health outcomes more by learning about their hormonal and reproductive systems and how to maximize fitness and nutritional gains than by trying to 'keep up with moids' which is one of my issues with dimorphism-minimization.
>ESPECIALLY important to deny the male strength currency mythI fully agree with this point but there's various ways to approach this. One is to just de-emphasize brute strength and its relevance to modern social needs generally, and lean harder into compensatory mechanisms like tools/weapons. Another is to consistently point out and resist male protection rackets, which would mainly require a social/cultural shift. An important element of resisting male protection rackets is to also aggressively hone our instincts about which males are relatively more and less trustworthy and increase the protections in place to allow us to avoid untrustworthy males. This is the area where I really think genderism/TRA logic is leading us off a cliff; we're actually LOSING long-held protections to female spaces, female self-determination, etc. and we're actively training entire generations of young women to ignore our instincts and huff the fumes of unicorns-and-fairies fantasy logic instead, which might be the single most dangerous thing for women in the 'safer' segment of modern societies (less relevant in extremely unsafe, chaotic or war-torn countries). Teaching women to get stronger and protect ourselves in physical altercations can only go so far when women are being pushed to voluntarily place themselves in vulnerable situations regardless of their physical strength, and women have always had more strength in numbers rather than relying on ourselves individually OR on protector males.
Just to beat the Imane Khelif dead horse a little longer, the fact that so many 'blackpilled' radfem posters who are anonymously posting on an obscure imageboard, won't face real world social repercussions, etc. still caved in to the pressure of 'don't trust your instincts, stupid female, this man is actually a woman and you should not believe thine lying eyes' is a great example of how we are systematically convinced to ignore our own basic survival instincts.
No. 2479394
>>2479301Lol there was a known rapist moid in one of my communities who became a 'they/them' when outed and the immediate reaction of every male was to start browbeating every woman in the community about how misgendering a rapist is actually WORSE than him raping a dozen women and how dare you LITERALLY kill him like this. I think I watched 2-3 gendie women peak in real time that day.
>>2479377The closer they get the more effort they put into 'correcting their thinking' though and getting back on the gendie path though, that's the problem.
>>2479382See:
>>2478480 and
>>2478601 and also yesterday's conversation here:
>>2477318TL;DR: If you backread the old threads it's obvious that the Khelif defenders were the overwhelming majority of posters and that they were less likely to get redtexted than the few nonnas explaining that Khelif was a man; this lasted months so it couldn't have been a single brief brigading effort and posters still routinely post on the thread to this day thinking Khelif is a woman and the moid rumors were 'debunked' or 'unconfirmed.' It's not just brigading troons.
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>>2479384>but these aren't huge advantages in fighting or self defense per seI did not claim they were advantages in fighting or self defense. I was claiming they were an advantage in general, that was probably more useful than pure brute force in relation to the way humans hunt.
>Teaching women to get stronger and protect ourselves in physical altercations can only go so far when women are being pushed to voluntarily place themselves in vulnerable situations regardless of their physical strength, and women have always had more strength in numbers rather than relying on ourselves individually OR on protector males. I agree on this 100%! Humans are very social, I truly believe it's our strongest trait rather than pure rationality. It's why so many moids don't want us to have solidarity so they break up our single sex spaces and police what we say. Trannies do a good job at silencing women this way.
>lean harder into compensatory mechanisms like tools/weapons.Again, this is a big factor as to what made humans so successful. So many key human traits are belittled to make moids feel better kek
>I think there's actually three main reasons many feminists are against women joining the military en masse, and they're a little more nuanced than this(responding to your entire point on the military here). I'm talking about banning women from the military, which is actually the opinion of Pete Hegeseth, the Secretary of Defense. He's not very pro-woman. it's banning it that opens the door for further devaluation of female labor and discrimination in the workforce, especially jobs requiring physical labor. Sort of similar to the bans on LGB people in the military, although there are their reasons (whether you agree with them or not, personally I think it's dumb) the banning of them from the military did lead to further legal discrimination. What you're saying is true, that women shouldn't be put at risk because of male tantrum wars. There should be nothing stopping women from voluntarily joining though, a lot of women don't want to be firefighters but there are also a decent amount who do, and pass the necessary tests needed to be a firefighter (which is also a job that requires a lot of cooperation) and banning them from that because men perform physical tasks better on average is undeniably discrimination. Many female firefighters utilize drags more than carries because drags utilizes more lower body strength than carries. (picrel, ladder supports the weight of the
victim. Honestly pretty hard to carry 200<(
victims weight) pounds whether you're male or female). They're not less efficient either. Anyways, when it comes to the military, keep the bar the same for men and women and allow women to join. I'm actually against a female draft because women are more at risk due to misogyny (All of the reasons you stated, like pregnancy and forms of sex based violence that you wouldn't see done towards male soldiers.). However, if a woman is willing to join the military despite the risks and passes the necessary tests, I see absolutely no issue with it.
>like the US army, have been forced to lower physical standards for female recruits over time because it actually wasn't possible to recruit enough women who were able to meet male fitness benchmarks and they realized this after the fact. It's gay how they did that. Women are absolutely cracked in the air force, which requires intelligence rather than just pure brute strength. Just lifting bans is fine for all branches of the military. No legal sex discrimination while keeping the bar equal for both sexes is the best route. However banning women in the military, which is extremely harmful for women from a legal standpoint or drafting them into branches they may be disadvantaged in are both terrible ways of going about it.
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dear lord
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>>2479434> Remembers her dream of becoming a firefighter and how she felt discouraged after hearing people say that women shouldn't be firefighters. Sigh.
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>>2478999>They haven’t even been able to do it with male mice without it looking like human centipedeholy shit you weren't actually exaggerating, this is fucking horrifying spoilered for animal body horror
No. 2479477
>>2479445>not even a party city wigtsk tsk…
>>2479472This shit is disgusting. I heard the horsepiss thing is real too, where they torture pregnant mares to get their tranny injections. But yeah, we shouldn't torment innocent animals just so troons can larp as their fetish. For as oppressed as trannies claim to be it's crazy how much time and resources the medical world has put into trying to validate them.
We could be putting this funding into curing cancer, but noooooooooo, lilith wants to be the first moid to get an abortion!
No. 2479486
>>2479413Don't 'try to perceive your tif friends as men,' that's so silly and counterproductive. Forcing yourself to utter lies (in your head and externally) has no long term benefit for you, them, or your relationship. You can support them as people without literally trying to gaslight yourself in your own mind.
>>2479453I definitely wouldn't recommend doing it when trapped alone in a bathroom with a hon or something but the thing that unites most gendies in my experience is when they're 'out in the world' in public spaces they mentally perceive themselves as extremely fragile and vulnerable and are generally pretty chickenshit. Plus I think they like to delude themselves so they second-guess themselves if someone seems rude to them hoping they're imagining it. As long as you don't go up to them and should YWNBAW in their face they usually won't do anything if you glare at them or even openly laugh at them. I walk a lot of places with my bf these days because my neighborhood has become increasingly unsafe and when I'm with him we'll see a TIM passing us on the sidewalk or something, look at each other and burst out laughing and cover our mouths while looking at him and the troons always get these befuddled, confused angry looks on their faces but they can't know for sure we weren't laughing at some joke we just told each other or w/e so they just skulk off. Or when I'm just passing the moid I'll just loudly say 'wow.'
With TIFs even if they're actively confronting you with their gender ideology shit you can usually just act aggressively normie and they don't know what to do and back off. A (cute and nice, sadly) gendie girl wearing a binder started flirting with me at a party last year and I didn't want to be mean because she was really nice and friendly but she clocked me as bi or something I guess and started saying stuff like 'you have queer vibes, are you queer?' and I kept just being like 'What does that mean? What's a queer vibe? I don't like that word, it doesn't mean anything and it's a slur' and she backed off and acted confused but continued to be completely friendly because I don't think they're used to being asked things so directly. Then I later heard her talking to the party host (some like 40yo immigrant man who barely knows me anyway) and saying 'you didn't tell me there were queer people at the party!' and being an ESL immigrant who actually doesn't know what 'queer' means he literally was just like 'wtf is that? I don't understand what you're talking about. Strange people at the party?' I hope that if these enby/TIF girls encounter enough situations like this it will eventually make them second-guess themselves or give up on their dumb gendie language and trying to force it on everybody. The last time a TIM was invited to a party I attended he was so insufferable (calling himself an 'auntie' barf) everyone just left the room he was in one by one until he went home, and then the party hostess (my good friend who was previously pro-troon) breathlessly declared 'I'm a
TERF anon!' to me the next time we hung out. The second people stop humoring these people they don't even know how to react and the people around them realize they're just babbling obnoxious nonsense. No one wants to have a social pariah in their circle ultimately and we need to use TRA tactics against them by making them feel like the social pariahs until they shut up and stop making everything about their weird identities.
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>>2479434>banning women from the military, which is actually the opinion of Pete HegesethHe didn't quite go that far (picrel), he mainly doesn't want women in special ops and infantry (ground combat) roles which I actually think makes some sense especially for a country like the US that isn't fighting any domestic wars and has a very large military anyway. I don't have an extremely fleshed out opinion on this but honestly I don't think the US should be sending practically anyone on any combat missions at all, realistically, so I wouldn't view it as too big a loss to stop sending women to fight weird proxy and oil wars in dangerous middle eastern war-torn areas at the moment. Another important reason why women in battle roles can be dangerous is that women being taken hostage is much worse than men being taken hostage and can compromise an army (and severely harm the women). I think there's an argument to be had about military recruitment of women but I don't think keeping women out of infantry combat roles in foreign proxy wars is 'devaluing female labor' in any meaningful way, especially in the US context. US military members and veterans are some of the most practically devalued members of society point blank, even if a big fanfare is made about how they're 'heroes' those are just words.
In my country (not the US) I know quite a few women who are reservists, they have to do training at regular intervals and they can be called upon if needed but they weren't the women being sent to Afghanistan or whatever and I'm personally very glad they will likely never see combat of that type. The logistics of sending women into combat zones are pretty complex, so I understand why it's a contentious issue.
>a lot of women don't want to be firefighters but there are also a decent amount who doI'm not aware of anywhere that has banned female firefighters. They just represent a very small percentage of the workforce because the physical demands are very high.
>Women are absolutely cracked in the air forceAnd AFAIK Hegseth is not suggesting banning them, he was referring to ground-based combat roles. I agree that keeping the physical standards identical for all recruits would be one potential solution, but it might actually result in fewer women joining the army even if women of lower physical fitness could do fine in certain roles.
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>>2479221>>2479233>>2479269Here's a different chart (which collated data from the American Community Survey and the CDC) showing the same thing. Jfc, I only used the UCLA one because it was the most visually comprehensive graphic, but they're certainly not the only ones who have observed higher instances of trans-identification among black and Latino Americans. I get that it goes against anons' priors, but it's just true. Like I said before, it just
feels like white people are more likely to be troons, because the kind of troons who have the free time to be terminally online are more likely to be suburban white AGPs.
No. 2479526
>>2479525NTA but I'd be really curious to see how this is regionally distributed and how it's distributed by age. Like in particular I wonder if conservative areas are more likely to have more
POC (and probably HSTS) TIMs or vice versa. Do you know if there's any child data?
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>>2479526I couldn't find reliable data on kids, but there's geographic distribution data.
No. 2479538
>>2479535Thanks anon! Basically what I expected. Is this factoring in the total population share in these regions that are black/white/hispanic or is it just totals? The maps seem to largely track with the overall population share of the different racial groups.
Too bad there's no age data because it would be so interesting to know if there's age-related trends in this, like another nonna mentioned a lot of HSTS TIMs seem to be black or hispanic in the Americas versus a much higher proportion of white AGPs and I would guess that the share of HSTS TIMs is generally declining relative to AGPs over time, although I know in old 20th century studies there was always a majority of AGPs. And that's just males who I believe are the overwhelming share of the adult troon population but now with ROGD children coming up there's likely to be a shift towards more TIFs.
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Hegseth is very disingenuous and believes that there is a secret "woke" quota trying to keep males effeminate. He's also wrong about the whole female quota thing which I'll explain it later + evidence in picrel.
He also argued that he doesn't care about women in combat roles and believes that as long as they meet the physical standards, it's fine (They do). "if we have the right standard and women meet that standard, roger. Let’s go.". Very contradictory to his stance against women in combat roles. He also stated women shouldn't be Navy SEALs… and there aren't any female Navy SEALs. He's a fox news host turned Secretary of Defense and they're the type of uneducated anti-women men I'm talking about when referring to military bans for women. Since you're not American I do recommend you look into him (and other members of the cabinet) and their stances. He also said this about banning women from combat roles again, this isn't pro woman at all. It
is going that far.
>"Women are life givers, regardless of what the abortion industry might want us to think. This role was embedded in human beings and was one of the clear reasons why the only, even mythologically articulated, successful women in combat narratives involve separatist societies of nonchildbearing women who live apart from men. To create a society of warrior women you must separate them first from men, and then from the natural purposes of their core instincts."Many male, anti female military sentiment comes from the idea that women are meant to be protected, trapped in the home, and bred. It may be different for feminists but like I said, in the context of US legality banning women from the military will have extremely adverse effects for women.
>And AFAIK Hegseth is not suggesting banning them, he was referring to ground-based combat roles. I agree that keeping the physical standards identical for all recruits would be one potential solution, but it might actually result in fewer women joining the army even if women of lower physical fitness could do fine in certain roles.The thing is, the standards
are already gender neutral. According to the The National Defense Authorization Act of 1994, every military occupation must have standards. Those standards also must be gender-neutral.
>>2479525I'd assume these are HSTS. i wish there was some sort of chart showing how many are HSTs vs AGP, but they'd never do anything like that in 2025.
>>2479535Oh this is great nona
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>>2479542I'm not denying that Hegseth is a religious conservative or saying anything about his personal views, just pointing out that he hasn't given any indication so far that his goal is to ban all women from military roles. Usually politicians will say a variety of different things to test how well they go over with the public or other politicians first, but my point was that I don't see a total ban on female military members in the cards based on his current political signposting.
>The thing is, the standards are already gender neutral.Not according to this NYT article from exactly one week ago (picrel).
>The order directs military leadership to implement the new fitness standards by the end of October.>the Army eased the grading standards for women and older service members in 2022. A study by the RAND research corporation published that year found that women and older troops were failing the new test at significantly higher rates than men and younger troops.>Other branches of the military have also had different fitness test standards for men and women. For example, the Marines have a strength test for all recruits: Men must complete three pull-ups or 34 push-ups in under two minutes. Women must complete one pull-up or 15 push-ups in the same time frame.>Those gender-specific standards will remain for some military jobs, Mr. Hegseth said in a statement accompanying the order. But he argued that women should not be allowed in combat units if they could not meet the same fitness standards as men.>In an early, limited rollout of the Army’s new fitness test, 65 percent of a small set of women failed, while 10 percent of men did. The later independent review by RAND produced similar results: Nearly half of enlisted women in the Army failed the test, while less than 10 percent of their male counterparts did. https://archive.is/7HCkH No. 2479576
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>>2479245they would defend NAMBLA because society viewed gay people as sexual degenerates, which is also how they viewed pedophiles, therefore we shouldn't ostracize pedophiles because we will be lumped in with them! some of them genuinely think pedophile/groomer are transphobic and homophobic dog-whistles.
No. 2479578
>>2479576See this post from upthread:
>>2478320If they want to use these retarded arguments maybe they should stop putting pedophiles and pedophilia lobbyists in all their most vaunted positions of TRA power.
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>>2479535They don’t control for racial makeup of each state so this chart’s basically meaningless.
No. 2479581
>>2479580Yeah that's what it looked like to me at first glance. I'm not even American and I was like 'yup, looks like a breakdown of total racial makeup of the US by state'. I was hoping for one that controlled for racial demographics in each state but so much science and especially 'data visualization' these days is practically completely useless.
>>2479579This has happened hundreds, probably thousands of times to prominent troons at this point so I don't know why they keep acting shocked and appalled. They should have come up with a counterargument/distraction tactic/something at this point but it seems like their only counterargument boils down to 'it is bad to call people pedos (even if they are but we're hoping you'll ignore that part)!' Anyway what can you expect? It's not incidental and honestly I don't even think it's just because pedos are 'taking refuge in the troon movement.' Troonism and pedophilia are inherently related and inextricably linked, both historically, ideologically, and practically due to autopedophilia and high overlap in the fetish content (to put it lightly) the moids consume.
No. 2479604
Nona the article you’re referring to doesn’t reference entry testing, it’s about regular testing. To enter any branch you will be tested sex neutrally. ACFT being made sex neutral is fair though. Most women in combat roles don’t actually mind it. Most women taking the ACFT have already taken some insane ass physical tests. OPAT (which is the test that affects accessions) is already sex neutral. The military isn’t even woke or anything, the US just has an obsession with collecting as many recruits as possible. Weak men shouldn’t be machine gunners. Old men should be held to the same standard as young men. Whether you think female quotas are an libfem psyop or not, the US military is just the US military. It wants as many soldiers as possible. Anyways, ACFT is moreso sustaining those members rather than gaining them though, so there still really was never a female quota. As there was never a 40+ quota. Again Hegseth’s biggest rank before being Secretary of Defense was being a fox news host, he’s mainly implementing stuff that was already implemented. His personal positions also matter, personal positions definitely affect policy. I don’t believe somebody who believes women’s natural role is caregiving is being genuine about women dragging the military down. Banning women from any military role is retarded, women are allowed to be Navy SEALs, they just don’t pass the tests. They don’t get in. That’s fair. At least he retracted most of his statements because even he knew it wouldn’t hold up kek.
>>2479576They’d definitely defend NAMBLA knowing how hard they try to tie kink to being gay. They want being gay to be “subversive” so they feel special. They shame any gay person who wants to be normal “respectability politics”. It’s all chasing after the goal of making homosexuality nebulous so they can all fit inside of the label and feel special. Did you guys know NAMBLAfags were getting pissy over lesbians trying to shut them down back in the day?
No. 2479625
>>2479601
I didn't say anything about woke or female quotas at all anon, I was just referencing that the fitness testing standards were different (imo it doesn't really matter if it's the entrance ones or the regular ones since a similar level will theoretically be expected of all military members in similar combat roles. I'm aware the US Military was desperate to recruit more people in the last few years, but I think part of the problem is their treatment of vets, female recruits, etc. sucks and it isn't an appealing job prospect anymore. Young people are just in general getting more sickly and less fit, and the perks vs. demands of the military are less and less appealing to young people. A lot of leftists would honestly argue that with the world's strongest military the US probably doesn't need as many military members. Anyway all of this is kind of derailing from the gender topic, my point being that I don't realistically see Hegseth fully banning women from the army based on the things he's saying and implementing now (and I don't really think it would have been politically popular to do so at all). In terms of libfem types being anti-women in the army I think most of them are anti-military in general.
>His personal positions also matter
If I tried to care about every politician's personal beliefs there would not be enough time in the day for me to get mad about all of it. Literally no politician is a good person past a certain rank, not even one of them. I will say though that the quote you gave doesn't quite read to me as it reads to you - he directly admitted that there are hypothetical mythological successful female militias but that they can't include children or pregnant women and work best when separated from moids entirely (I agree with this due to the abuse women sustain from moids in military contexts). Saying a woman's natural purpose is the mother's role is the most run-of-the-mill Abrahamic religion natural law shit ever and you'll find that the vast, overwhelming majority of people in the world (yes including women) believe in it to some extent. The 'core instinct' of motherhood is something even many radfems believe in. I know he's a misogynistic military moid but void of context the quote isn't some far out beyond the pale 'women have no natural strength or abilities' shit, it's basically just acknowledging the reproductive role of the female sex and how it intersects with military environments. You'll find a lot of 2nd wave radfems with literally the exact same view (minus the anti-abortion part). This is getting super nitpicky and in the weeds though especially since it's only vaguely and tangentially relevant to what we were discussing anyway.
>I don’t believe somebody who believes women’s natural role is caregiving is being genuine about women dragging the military down.
I do, it's just a bioessentialist argument differentiating the sexes by both strength and reproductive role. His opinion on the matter isn't even important because it's true that the women currently in the military aren't able to pass the fitness requirements as of now. I can't really arbitrate whether the fitness requirements should be lowered, raised, or kept the same, but I think holding them equal for men and women in the same combat roles is reasonable, for the good of the women as well as the institution.
>Banning women from any military role is retarded
Again, I'm not sure I entirely agree with this (see reasons I gave earlier in the thread), but thankfully that isn't happening and isn't slated to happen. Mainly I'm just not convinced by your reasoning for considering military infantry roles 'good' for women - you said it was about respect for female labor but the infantry being a notoriously low-respect job, it doesn't strike me as a very compelling argument. Since you were originally addressing the left-wing/libfem arguments against women in the military, not conservative ones, I think it's worth noting that most left-wingers would likely find that premise unconvincing.
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>>2479625>Mainly I'm just not convinced by your reasoning for considering military infantry roles 'good' for womenI didn't say that I said women shouldn't be banned from them. That was part of my original post. I didn't say they were good for women, at all. They're not good for anyone.
>>2479603Could you link or post what he had to say about this? This seems really interesting. Also I'd just assume there's less AGP black males due to the standard of "straight" being much higher. Same with latinos, machismo and shit. Reminds me of this clip from the Boondocks kek
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Look at these ghouls.
Women’s final between two biological men shatters defence for transgender athletes
>Harriet Haynes and Lucy Smith are transgender pool players who contested the final of Ultimate Pool Women’s Pro Series Event 2 in Wigan on Sunday https://www.telegraph.co.uk/snooker/2025/04/07/womens-pool-final-between-two-biological-men-transgender/ No. 2479673
>>2479638I'm referring to this part of your earlier post:
>it's banning it that opens the door for further devaluation of female labor.To me the meaning of this and how I paraphrased it is essentially the same meaning - I don't see any particular OVERALL value to the female labor force to being allowed in/recruited for infantry combat military roles. I understand that certain specific women might want those jobs or roles and that's a different discussion but I don't see how it would devalue female labor to bar women from combat roles. There are only a small handful of countries in the world that allow women in military combat roles and many of the countries that don't have at least an equal (or in some cases) better female labor situation to countries like the US and Canada that do allow it. I don't think women holding these jobs raises the esteem of women's labor socially, I don't think it has widespread economic advantages, etc. Giving women low-paid, high-risk, lowly esteemed jobs where they are likely to come out of the job disabled/with PTSD/etc. and unable to work after a few years probably doesn't add much financial or reputational value to the female labor force so I guess I'm just not sure what you're getting at. I see military infantrymen as pretty much a rung or two above prostitutes and camgirls - it's highly exploitative labor which may very well destroy your life with minimal payoff. It's the job that you get because you didn't pass, or barely passed, high school and feel like you have no other options. It's just about as low as you can go.
>>2479657Another day, another 'It Never Happens' situation happening.
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“How can I make this about me?” Trannies are always so fucking narcissistic. A womb transplant wouldn’t work on a fucking male retard, your immune system will attack it because it doesn’t even know what a uterus is kek, you’d have to take super high immuno suppressants and you would die from a flu to not have a reaction.
No. 2480187
>>2479738I mostly agree with you, but there's only like a couple high-income countries where people have easy access to weapons like guns, and in many others even pepperspray/mace and small knives are illegal to carry for self defense. There's only one Canadian party that has legalizing mace for self defense in its party platform, and it's the party that all the leftists claim is a 'literal nazi party' (I'm guessing most lolcow users included) that only like 7-8% of the population votes for. So the reason a lot of women are freaked out by men's strength is because it seems relevant. I've been attacked a couple times and both times I didn't have a weapon and the moid didn't pull a weapon either (although one of the moids claimed he had one and threatened to use it). A majority of most rapes and attacks on women are done by people they know too and often in familiar surroundings, so the likelihood a woman would have brought a weapon/have a weapon on hand in these situations is lower.
When it comes to warfare or most jobs it's true male strength is far less relevant than in the past due to tools, but when it comes to women being afraid of predation by men they're still worried about it.
No. 2480202
>>2478476All of this shit is literally the biggest psyop in history.
>You either feel like x or you don't!>What does feeling like x feel like?>Oh i can't tell you that, but everybody else knows what it feels like and you're weird if you don'tThis is the kind of thing children invent to bully each other
No. 2480216
>>2480047Sorry but even for cis women I hate this. This is dark. If you're born without a uterus, you ain't meant to have kids. Why are medical researchers obsessed with finding new disturbing and horrifying ways to play God? This feels incredibly wrong and unnatural.
There are many children already born who need homes but you'd rather have an entire organ transplant and a high risk pregnancy instead? Let's call this what it is, it's mental illness.
Why is science doing this unnecessary shit but we can't bring back dead people, I hate it here. Who even asked for this?
No. 2480236
>>2478807I understand why bi/straight Nonnies try so hard to avoid scrotes who are bis now. Moids are always gonna shut down women for other moids, even if they have paraphilia or are a direct threat to women. We’ve seen it happen a lot with the “trans inclusive misogyny” shit too, misogyny, which doesn’t harm TIMs, being used to make them feel like women. This is just sad and pathetic, putting your wife on blast like that is so fucking gay.
>>2480195You’re kind of misinterpreting and nitpicking what’s being said. All parties seem to keep repeating points, no more derail
No. 2480257
>>2480216I agree it is dark frankenstein monster shit that should not be done. Same with normal surrogacy but this is even weirder and more grotesque. I always think that the only reason these dark transhumanist technologies are even researched is because moids want so badly to be able to harness female reproductive power so they can feel like they've made women obsolete.
>>2480236Yes, bi moids actually are that bad. I know we're all supposed to be very progressive and pretend that there's no difference between a gay moid and a gay woman or a bi moid and a bi woman but bi moids constantly lie to women, cheat on them, give them diseases, etc. and just in general are incredibly male-identified. Gay men are too but at least they don't use straight women as sex toys most of the time or think they can have a female bangmaid mommy while keeping a male harem on the side. Straight moids are homosocial and woman-hating enough but moids who are sexually attracted to other moids are always even more enthusiastic about denigrating women.
>You’re kind of misinterpreting and nitpicking what’s being saidMisinterpreting, no. Nitpicking, maybe but it's extremely irritating to call this a derail. There's more to gender ideology than 'troon bad! troon bad!' A discussion about attitudes toward women in stereotypically male jobs is absolutely not a derail in a thread for discussing gender ideology especially since it started from a discussion about sexual dimorphism anyway which is at the core of all GC thought.
No. 2480260
>>2480236I've written about my experiences with three separate bi scrotes on this site before, but basically, they
are that bad even by scrote standards. They're all massive whores and/or troons in waiting.
No. 2480265
>>2480260Can you share what they were nonna?
There is one bi scrote I know who's pretty okay (although he's bipolar) but he heavily prefers women/the only real sign of bisexual behavior I've seen in him is that he apparently tried to 'experiment' with another moid once and admits to finding men attractive sometimes, but not 'as attractive' as women. He's always dated women and never men. Every other bi moid I've known has been a serial sex pest, almost certainly cluster B, and an actual manwhore (like imagine the fake stereotype of bi women, but real). A lot of them have done a lot of their sexual harassment toward women while pretending to be gay, which I always found so incredibly predatory - making women feel like you're 'safe' and the sexual behavior is 'just a joke' to let their guard down. The other type of bi moid is the type that presents straight, doesn't admit to being bi, and is on the DL, and they're total whores too but give their female partners STDs secretly. They're the most likely to be GAMPs too.
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>>2479657Honestly kind of funny how males are using this to brag about muh spatial reasoning. the studies they spam overrepresent females. like picrel, and like that one iq graph they always spam. Literally look at the sample size for each sex, there's less men than women. Of course there's going to be more variance. Males love to cheer trannies on because they know they fuck up female communities
>>2480257You are though, if somebody is talking about minorities who are
already doing a certain job and then they get banned, that's not them being barred from entering that's them losing that role despite doing fine. If you look back you also did that with the acft opat thing. the original message is deleted but you most definitely misinterpreted it
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>>2480276samefag. they use this photo too, it's A and C lol. The spatial reasoning shit is gay because it really depends on where you live, which is pretty interesting in itself. they did this kind of studying showing the differences in spatial reasoning between men and women in matrilineal vs patrilineal societies and there was like no difference in the matrilineal society vs the patrilineal one which did show a heavy male bias. Trannies just love to poop in female spaces, literally and figuratively. even if trannies end up in like 7th place or whatever they're still gonna make sure they're involved in everything women do. it's not really the advantages when it comes to shit like pool, it's just making sure women aren't comfortable. I think we need to emphasize the fact that males are not as social as women and end up fucking up female only groups with their coom. Didn’t they do that shit with CGL too? just constantly asking for validation in frilly dresses because it gives them boners.
No. 2480305
>>2480288>even if trannies end up in like 7th place or whatever they're still gonna make sure they're involved in everything women do. it's not really the advantages when it comes to shit like pool, it's just making sure women aren't comfortable.It doesn't even matter how good or bad men are, if women want spaces free of men we should be allowed to have them simply because we fucking want it. No reason given needed.
But if people insist on reasons, in cases like the pool match they could have come dead last but the troons are still using the female bathrooms, the female dressing rooms, taking spots away from actual females who wanted to play, and all the while they are dressed up in woman-face which makes a mockery of women. Nothing about it is kind. Saying I need to undress in front of a man but it's ok because I'm better than him at a sport is retarded and makes no sense.
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Just thought on how funny it is that troons act like theyre such an oppressed class when we literally cant have a VPN ban in this thread because in some countries you can go to jail for "hate speech" if you talk about how you dont agree with them. Meanwhile radfem subreddits constantly get banned and theres hundreds of websites dedicated to men discussing how much they want to rape, abuse, and torture women, and its totally legal. It kinda proves to me that this whole shit is just a psyop to get dumb people addicted to expensive surgeries and hormones. If governments really cared about the people then SRS and giving cross-hormones to children would never be legal, but it makes a lot of money, so they dont give a shit how many people get hurt
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>>2479046i hope this isn't cowtipping, but i asked her what she meant and got a very weak and limp response. they really do crumble hard and say nothing when pressed
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worst genre of TIMs imo
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The tranny who made that retarded "AFAB housing" comic made another retarded comic. What are these strawmans kek.
https://x.com/CDIGODDESS/status/1909708215727853946 No. 2480642
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>>2480640This is him by the way (samefag)
No. 2480646
>>24806451/3rd of all women are not like the exceptional spergs in the luigi thread. In fact half the posters there have been theorized to be gay men by the thread's other three posters.
I'm guessing the orange 'strawman' is actually how the troon making the comment thinks about women, otherwise where did he pull this from?
No. 2480663
>>2480659No such thing as being too critical of a low-effort troon who just looks like a skater boy but rages out at women for not letting him live with them in 'AFAB only' housing, then tries to assuage the guilt of his own misogyny by making comics trying to convince others that most women are actually way more woman-hating than troons are. I'm nta who posted the comic but I agree with her, it's a strawman that is actually more of a projection because it's exactly the way troons talk about women in social media comments.
Specifically the 'if I were her I'd be the perfect housewife, what business does she have wasting her time making little shitty videos when she has a boyfriend to dote on' is an extremely typical male sentiment. 1/3 of women are not angry that other women have jobs, unless he lives in Iraq or something.
No. 2480689
>>2480680shoe, shay, fanny, dana, jill, lori, addy, holly, momokun, book cows thread, vtuber thread, poly thread, spicy straight thread, and older cows like micky moon, chel have all been shat on repeatedly for being pickmes/pedopandering/promoting pedophilia/hating women in some capacity (some more applicable to certain ones than others). i don't keep up with any of the politic cow threads so i don't know anything. maybe more but i haven't read many others in detail. i dunno why you think that doesn't happen. anyways not everything is about men or wanting a man. again, you can make this point on a thread that isn't about how horrible, violent, and cruel trannies are towards women? women fight each other because they fight each other not to get a moid. you can even see how people talk about them in the what's your real opinion on cows thread, a majority of farmers do not follow them because of men it's because of some other stupid nitpicky shit or they want to save the cow or they were ex fans or whatever. also farmers love shitting on male cows for their appearance as well. making fun of looks is not a misogyny thing
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>>2480276>>2479657My theory is that the disparate outcomes in pool/snooker are caused by the same thing that causes women to underpeform against males in chess, a phenomenon called the "stereotype threat effect."
>When players were unaware of the sex of opponent (control condition), females played approximately as well as males. When the gender stereotype was activated (experimental condition), women showed a drastic performance drop, but only when they were aware that they were playing against a male opponent. When they (falsely) believed to be playing against a woman, they performed as well as their male opponents.This is why
most competitions, not just physical sports, should be sex-segregated.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/227674544_Checkmate_The_role_of_gender_stereotypes_in_the_ultimate_intellectual_sport No. 2480699
>>2480640I want to adopt his characters as my own.
>blue cryptoTERF themie>light green libfem one more TIM interaction from peaking>and even orange beckyBlue is still his most based.
No. 2480702
>>2479580I literally already said that:
>I imagine regular maps just indicating "precentage of population who are [white, black, Latino, etc]" would look similar, maybe nearly identical.I only provided the maps because anon asked, not because it was necessarily relevant to the issue of the incidence of trans identification between racial groups.
No. 2480705
>>2480699The other dumb thing about the comic is that I don't think any
TERF would dispute that there exist women with internalized misogyny, but males (that includes TiMs) being misogynistic is the much bigger problem, because they have the capital and power to integrate it into public policy, which they've done for thousands of years. A woman being misogynistic is just irritating and counterproductive, whereas a man being misogynistic is reinforcing a very harmful status quo.
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>>2480640this dude fucking sucks
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>>2480901This is so painfully unfunny that I'd dream to shit a big Burger King diarrhea in the author’s throat and then stitch his mouth and nostrils shut and watch him die of suffocation.
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I wasn’t sure whether to post this here or in the MtF thread but I think his philosophizing is more fitting for here. I’ve been wondering why certain AGPs latch onto radfem ideologies and larp as their vision of “man hating radical feminist lesbians” and I think he’s a perfect case study as to why that happens. It’s actually quite similar to why some straight men like to participate in bdsm as subs. It’s just the epitome of male masochism. He is frustrated with his own inability dominate women so he becomes the woman subjected to male dominance. Males who can’t dominate are “failures” while women who are subjected to male dominance are “victims.” Better to be a victim than a failure. Better yet to be a victim rebelling against their oppression. Hence the radfem obsession.
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>>24810062/2
Tldr the incel to troon pipeline is real
No. 2481045
>>2481007I hate these overly analytical retards. They keep thinking they can speak for what all women or even what most women like as if we are some sort of monolith. Then they lament about how women have standards in who they emotionally and physically invest in. It's not about just physical attractiveness. There are conventionally attractive incels because they are severely cockblocked by their unhinged misogyny.
Men are so fucking stupid it's unreal. Same with the women who cape for these subhumans
No. 2481286
>>2481049I don't really think this is true. Yes some moids do (naturally, everyone should like this) but it's been demonstrated scientifically that moids like supranormal stimuli and you can easily observe in reality that beauty standards for women, now and in the past, have often been extremely tied up in the extent to which women are willing to demonstrate servility, as the troon said (because he'd clearly read a few pages of Mackinnon). Foot binding in China, heels in modern day America/Europe; boob jobs, bbls and facial fillers/plastic surgery which mainly men think look good - they are all the same shit.
>they are copig or porn-addictsMost men are porn addicts so, yes. But also, the fact they are porn addicts is a reflection of typical male sexuality - the average moid has always gotten off on the idea of female servility and of him hurting women (or women hurting themselves for him). The troon is unspeakably annoying for writing this shit as a man, and probably gets off on the idea himself, but what he's saying actually is true.
Think about it this way - if men didn't get off on female 'beauty rituals' then why would AGPs do them? AGPs are never/rarely getting off on being easy/breezy and looking like their natural selves, they're getting off on the trappings of femininity. This particular moid probably has a psychosexual fixation on one or more radfems and that's why he's doing this, but nonetheless.
No. 2481333
>>2481324I'm more worried about public perception. how can we rebuke gender ideology without homosexuality going down with it (and Im very sure trannies will fight tooth and nail to drag us down with them) I wish I could encapsulate my thoughts into word but thinking about it makes me incredibly doomer.
a tangent, but as great as homosexuality has become destigmatized, it has also come with people feeling as that identifying as straight makes them less special and they have to brute force their way into making 1000 microidentities to larp oppression.
I think about that one tif artist who identified as asexual and dated a woman for 10+ years only to transition, identify as a "gay male", and regain her sexuality after divorcing her wife. Imagine roping a woman in a loveless marriage for a fucking decade because you can't admit you are not sexually attracted to a woman and you want to have diversity points for being totes qweerio
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Why is this TIF posting in a butch lesbians sub? I swear to God I don't understand how they can be obsessed with labels while ignoring what those labels mean. I was checking that sub and saw random art of tif x tim, how are they lesbian or butch? They are just a straight couple, before and after transition.
No. 2481443
>>2481306AYRT and it doesn't currently interfere with my job because I currently work an online wfh job that's based in the US, and am in the process of job hunting for a proper salaried job after grad school. It did sometimes interfere when I was in grad school though especially since I taught college classes and had to be really careful with students who appeared to be gendie because they could have easily reported me. Thankfully I didn't have a lot of gendie students and the classes I taught didn't make reference to gendershit much in the first place, so the biggest issues were in classes and lab work (we did human research and had a lot of gendies come in as test subjects). The general consensus of other grad students was to let gendies put whatever gender they wanted on their demographic forms and then go in and write their sex on the form later once they left. I am worried for when I get a real job at a Canadian company because my friends currently in employment are constantly talking about the weird shit they're subjected to, especially DEI trainings. My one friend got a job at Amazon as a programmer and within his first six months apparently had to sit through 3 multi-hour workshops about gender identity and kink, a lot of workplaces now have slack add-ons that 'correct their language' on slack chats and offer helpful hints about how to be politically correct, etc. I did previously get kicked out of my lab in grad school and need to find a new lab after my supervisor got another student to spy on my private facebook, but I don't think he fired me just for my views on gender because I posted stuff that disagreed with some of his other views as well that aren't relevant to this thread.
Re: restrooms though troons are in female restrooms in a lot of public places I frequent (university restrooms, bars, etc.) but most of them are heavily populated enough that I only remember one instance where I was alone in a bathroom with a troon (and it was an HSTS I knew well so I wasn't scared). This city has a lot of retarded 'unisex' bathrooms anyway even before troon shit got big, like I remember this one music venue I used to go to a lot that had a single unisex multi-stall bathroom where you had to walk past urinals to get to the stalls. One of the worst experiences I personally had with troons in public was that I regularly took a bus route at night with a boomer AGP hon who would wear miniskirts with thongs and manspread on the bus showing his dick and balls to everyone and constantly shifting/clearing his throat while trying to make eye contact with women, but since I usually took the bus route with a friend we would just say 'disgusting' and ignore him as much as we could.
No. 2481464
>>2481421It's gotten popular in gendie spaces for it to be "totes
valid!11!!" for butches to take testosterone without necessarily "identifying as a man". Top surgery, too. Maybe she's one of those?
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>>2481004This guy has a soyjak.blog account
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>>2480901Here's a palate cleanser
>>2480698Woah, nice to have an intuition confirmed. Insecurity is deeply baked into female socialization (that's a whole other can of worms) so i suspected something like this could exist. Still think women competing with men in things like chess is good and should be supported. There's this female chess grandmaster who was raised to become a beast by her father who thought girls could be just as good as boys. As an adult she refused to play in sex segregated competitions to make a point about women's capability and won a lot of tournaments against men, truly inspirational
No. 2481484
>>2481333nayrt, but same. not to be overdramatic but its my biggest fear that one day i'll be unable to keep my marriage or have kids because of some gross shit troons did.
right now, most LGB people are still pro gender ideology and that's why we're associated with it. but the other anon is right, more and more LGB are starting to lose interest in aggressively promoting trans stuff if not disliking it entirely. if that becomes a majority, the association of LGB with T will fade from the minds of straight moderates and conservatives.
with other LGB people i try to nudge them a little by making fun of dumb woke stuff that anyone would think is over the top (eg the dishes trauma meme,) and being as negative about individual trans people as possible without setting off their
terf alarms. i think as they start to put together that trans people are generally disturbed individuals it's easier to get to the point of realizing that the whole ideology is bullshit.
No. 2481485
>>2481457I think it actually has to do with what some anons were talking about upthread, which is the fact that microidentities have become very important to younger people in the social media age and rather than letting other people 'label' you, zoomers and younger millennials often feel like they have to 'label' themselves based on the things they like, wear, minor behavioral tics, etc. It's the same phenom as zoomers self-diagnosing with various mental disorders because they saw an autistic TV character and had something in common with them so they decide they have autism too. People aren't able to live with uncertainty or as a whole 'authentic' person anymore without trying to take a million quizzes to break down every aspect of their personalities and fashion sense and behavior (the obsession with MBTI/personality quizzes is a good example of this) and once they 'identify' with something they are control freaks who need to tell other people how to see them. MBTI is a good example because Myers-Briggs developed it on the basis of observable archetypes in patients, and it used to be something that was more about observing the personalities of patients, but now people will take an online quiz where they can answer as truthfully or untruthfully as they want and then plaster their 'type' all over the internet telling other people 'I am this!! Please believe me!!' for no apparent reason, but it's just a reflection of whatever they wanted to project about themselves in the first place.
The other thing a lot of self-dx'd people and gendies have in common is they usually don't like and feel uncomfortable with what other people think/observe about them. You're embarrassed about being a flaky loser that never follows through on plans and wastes away bedrotting so other people think you're a lazy unmotivated neet? Suddenly you read a couple psychologytoday articles and you 'have AuDHD' and try to force your friends and parents to reframe your behavior as a result of neurological issues outside your control. You're a dumpy, unattractive girl with juvenile interests that are offputting to your peers/crushes? No actually you are a 'little guy' who should never have been perceived as female in the first place and the reason you don't seem cool to others is because they didn't realize you're a boy. People like this are unusually likely to grasp at straws and look for characters in media they feel 'represent' them, as a way of validating their own inadequacies. If you like a popular character and convince yourself that you're actually just like that character, you seem cooler to yourself and you can get validation by proxy from other people liking that character too. When that isn't enough they try to be EXACTLY like that character because they think people would like them if they were more like the character they identify with.
No. 2481491
>>2481421Lots of lesbians are dysphoric (even before the tranny craze, this goes way back. things like misogyny and homophobia have existed for ages, also just general disdain for their own reproductive abilities.) and don't have anywhere to find support because of how much little resources are put into the (L) part of the LGBT community. So now, especially in 2025, they just troon out because it gets to be too much and they don't have anywhere to vent or find support. Lesbians who troon out hang around butch communities because they themselves, and everyone else, sees them as women. But they'd rather cross the street being seen as a man with their girlfriend rather than a "dyke bitch" (and every accompanying negative stereotype that comes with that phrase) with their girlfriend. It gives them mental relief, even if it fucks them over long term. And at the end of the day they still know they're lesbian women. It's all retarded but these women really do need more resources. I'm saying this as a dysphoric lesbian myself, I'm glad I found radical feminism and women who feel the same way as me.
T4T (tim and tif) fags are different though they're all straight lol
If you wanna see the difference between lesbian TIFs and straight/bi TIFs just look at TIFs in gym communities vs TIFs in art communities kekkkk
>>2481442God that fucking book. So annoying whenever some smug TIF acts like it's the bible
No. 2481496
>>2481006He's right but he's just regurgitating conventional psych wisdom.
>It’s just the epitome of male masochism>Males who can’t dominate are “failures”Yes, it's masochism through and through. But imo troons who LARP as radfems aren't even concerned with succeeding as dominant men, they're always happy to feed on women (misandrist rfs, a negging wife, whatever) like parasites. They
like being scorned hence why they go after the most overtly misandrist or brash women. It's about being hated while still being allowed, which gives them a special kick because they've still won, in their mind. They've gotten the most radical (or most radical-seeming, this is why they orbit mentally ill ostentatious feminists online) woman to lower herself to their level by letting them in. Being the pet troon, the simpering male is both a winning and losing position for them.
No. 2481607
>>2481443Samefag but to add to this I said I 'needed to be careful' teaching classes but I always edited our teaching materials that talked about 'gender' and would use 'sex' or 'male/female' instead when I lectured or made slides, would correct students who raised their hand to ask questions about 'gender' by restating the question using the word 'sex' and actually I never had any students get openly mad at this even if they would use the word 'gender' themselves. A lot of my students ended up writing 'sex' on their assignments too so I think even really subtle things like that can help make the environment of really gendie schools/workplaces slightly better. In my own classes when people talked about LGBTQ I would say 'LGB' or 'homosexual' every time another student or the teacher said 'LGBTQ' and asked pointed questions in our class discussions about troon/gender shit and I did get some weird looks/aggressive responses from other students but it also sometimes resulted in the profs saying things like 'hmm I need to look into that more' or asking me if I had any sources (like about ROGD when I brought it up in a class). I know I wouldn't have gotten away with that in most humanities/social science classes but I think you can get the normies around you to snap out of the constant onslaught of TRA language just by ignoring it and consistently using correct sex-based terminology. I got kinda spooked every time something like that came up in my classes because some other students and younger profs could get weird and jump down your throat a little but I also had a couple people thank me for bringing up information they didn't know about so it was a mixed bag; ironically I think the fact we don't have any political pushback to troon shit in Canada makes normies a little less sensitive to '
TERF dogwhistles' than the US where the sex/gender stuff is constantly in the news. Probably the only tiny upside of us having the most cucked troon-supporting government in the world.
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Found out from a tumblr post announcing her publishing deal that we've lost another ~fandom girlie~ to T today. Obviously she's been on it for a while (picrel) but my god. How do these women not see what's happening to their hair and realize they're poisoning themselves? I don't think she would ever detrans now even if she wanted to. Bleak.
https://www.thebookseller.com/rights/storm-publishing-makes-three-book-deal-with-fan-fiction-writer-dylan-morrison>Taussig said that: “Dylan’s writing has such emotional resonance and authenticity. This enemies-to-lovers romance captures all the sweetness that fans of stories like Heartstopper will love […] ">like HeartstopperCan someone reset the simulacrum to around 2012 or so? Here's a link to her post I mentioned, in case anyone is interested. If someone could crosspost to the tumblr thread, I would be so grateful.
https://gyzym.tumblr.com/post/780365409822130176/hello-tumblr-i-am-enormously-excited-to-sayVPN ban is killing me. I can't even let nonas know that "sea monkeys" are actually called brine shrimp. No. 2481738
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Behold nonnies, one of the most insane substack posts I've ever seen.
Its a lot of schizo babble, but here's some highlights:
>saying black women are trans for not conforming to stereotypes of patriarchy>saying a butch woman is more trans than a stealth trans person>defining cis as essentially confining to gender stereotypes and anything outside of the norm is trans https://open.substack.com/pub/thaliawilliamson/p/no-cis-person-will-read-this-essay?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=3an77p No. 2481804
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>>2480640i will not alog i will not alog i will not alog i will not alog
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>>2480640Oh boy, how do I explain this to a tranny. Women calling each other bitches is like the female version of when black people call each other "niggas". When women call each other bitches, it's more understood between each other because of that "inside familiarity". But when scrotes, including fags and trannies do it? We just wanna tell you to fuck off, y'know? It's the gender version of those white people who get mad or jealous that they can't say "nigga" and call each other "niggas". A group being mad or jealous about another group's inside form of communication and finding ways to tantrum that it's "unfair".
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>>2481421Haven't you heard? Everyone is a lesbian now. Bisexuals, males, straight women who "identify" as males, gay women who identify as men, etc.
No. 2481826
>>2481006Wow, it's been a long time since I heard someone unironically say "nice guys finish last," but I doesn't surprise me that a troon is bringing it back from the dead. Also
>perform a sexuated relation adequatelymight be the most autistic sentence I've ever read.
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>>2480640I had to fix the meme to make it cope-free
No. 2481909
>>2481840Genius, anon
>>2481844I don't think anyone is really attracted to (medicalized) trans people except male GAMPs but lesbians do date TIFs. If anything I've never seen a bisexual try to date a TIF or TIM because bisexuals have more options in dating, they don't have to put up with bottom of the barrel mentally ill people. Lesbian dating pools are extremely small which is why I think many of them settle for mentally ill weirdos. Most of the lesbians I knew who dated TIFs were TIFs themselves and most of them were not medically transitioning though.
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>>2481992I really would like to know why they dress so bad and have the ugliest hairstyles.
No. 2482211
>>2482204They have no eye for aesthetics, so they just clumsily imitate some woman they’re attracted to- often a high school crush or other formative experience with attraction. That’s why they all have that ugly ass 2013 style because they’re using the girl they were obsessed with in high school as a reference point. You also have to remember that we have this shit shoved down our throats from day 1 and they don’t. I remember not even hitting puberty yet and flipping through my sister’s magazines wondering if I was a pear or an apple or a banana. I knew I looked good in jewel tones and bad in pastels by 12. We all remember the tabloids circling every little imperfection on female celebrities and ruthlessly mocking them for it. Boys never got that. They didn’t internalize any of it, no matter how much they like to claim otherwise. That’s the case for AGPs at least. HSTS were feminine as children and better at keeping up with trends, though they tend to gravitate to trends more popular with gay men than women for obvious reasons. One of many ways to quickly tell them apart.
They do this shit with names too. They’ll pick a fictional character, mythological/historical name that no one currently has, or choose the name of the target of their obsession. You’d think if they were concerned with passing, they’d just look up the most common girls names of their birth year and pick one of those. Or the feminine version of their male name to make it easier for people to remember. Nope, that wouldn’t be very Lilith of them.
No. 2482276
>>2482204Because they get their inspo from anime and not from real women.
Women know that to dress like this either you go full alt girl so it doesn't look weird or it's only acceptable in cosplay. You don't see troons wearing boring muted colors, shapeless but comfy clothes, elegant cuts etc, it's either all porny or anime girls. Bonus points, they wear goth stuff but since goth fashion is usually very dramatic or shape-y (corsets/skinny pants) it looks horrible on them and they do it to skin walk other girls.
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>>2482262Are you talking about the March 31st report? She was motivated by the girls she used to do basketball with in middle school, she stalked them and her final messages on instagram were for them. She also had weird racial fetishes (her middle school was majority black) and she was a lesbian. She wanted to go after the middle school at first but then changed her mind because she didn’t want accusations of racism to overshadow the attention she wanted from those girls (funny because her being a tranny overshadowed it). Her trannydom was kind of a motive, she was very political but her dysphoria also gave her major brain rot and she thought she was a “major blow to girls”. Her whole thing was kind of retarded but it wasn’t actually that politically motivated, she’d been planning shit since 2017 because she was angry that those same girls she liked in middle school were getting with men and getting careers and stuff instead of paying any attention to her. She was extremely mentally stunted and if you guys stumble onto more reports about her you’ll know what I mean. Picrel is from the tif thread
Report:
https://www.nashville.gov/sites/default/files/2025-04/Covenant_Final_Summary.pdf?ct=1743609642 No. 2482323
>>2482211Yep. Also wanted to add that not only do agp males not internalize the immense body and fashion scrutiny that all women face since childhood, they can't even handle the slightest criticism. Hearing critique about our appearance is just second nature to the point where offense hardly even registers in most women when we see ourselves or others get picked apart like a piece of meat.
TIMs hear any sort of critique and they take it as the same as being hate crimed. It really illustrates that absolute fragility of the male ego. I wonder if being a TIM makes them even more fragile than the average scrote?
No. 2482368
>>2482211Adding on, Its narcissisism. They see women as effortlessly beautiful and pure beings, and they want other people to think that they are that idea of women they have in their head. They want to
be thing that they drool and fantasize over. Not live along side it, they want to take its place. But all they have is a vague blueprint in their mind of what they
think women dress like, how they act, but can never naturally have the minds of the women who the dress is on. They imitate based off looks without knowing the true meaning or soul behind it. Women decide fashion choices so effortlessly, but all trannies do is leech and copy off an existing thing. If all women went bald, trannies would want to go bald too. They will never be anything but a try-hard sloppy replica.
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>depicts an animal that does exist your ~heckin deep~ cope art about how there were TiFs in the middle ages
A world without delusion has never existed and never will
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>>2482338Maybe, but if anything would've saved her it's getting a girlfriend or having some friends that would've saved her. If you read her journals (or read stuff about them online) you can kind of put together she thought no women would ever love her because she herself was a woman. She stalked those girls because they were the only women that gave her any attention. Mind you, these were girls she went to middle school with in
2008, one time she went to one of their birthday parties uninvited while pretending to be drunk. If anything radical feminism would've made her shoot up some moids kek. Her trooning out was really just a byproduct of all of the mental illness, if she hadn't had trooned out she probably would've been the same. I don't think she took T either. She just crossdressed.
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>>2482394also the female "trannies" they always pull up were just women who crossdressed to avoid being treated like second class citizens. If they found out Hatshepsut crossdressed they'd call her a tranny. Same with Anne Lister. They love calling GNC women trannies
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>>2482383Yeah the hearts on the edge randomly having a thicker line weight than anything else is
triggering my autism. Also what the FUCK is this thing???
No. 2482421
>>2482414…I
think it's supposed to be a seal?
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>>2482414it's because the troon didn't draw them. it's tracing over existing medieval marginalia.
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Something of a vent post. A troon got killed in my Latin American country. It was as much a textbook hate crime as it gets. Males broke his arms and legs and threw him into a creek where he drowned. Clearly scrotes killing another scrote because they consider him inferior because he’s gnc (the retarded reason to hate trannies).
Anyway, for days on end I have had to watch women my age handmaiden about this. The fucking president came out and said he’s gonna reward ludicrous amounts of money to whoever rats the murderers out. There are about ten femicides a day in each LatAm country- it’s so obvious they only put that much focus on this guys death because he’s a tranny. If they actually saw him as a woman he would be one more number in the list of femicides. His murder isn’t even that particularly brutal in contrast to your average femicide, they didn’t rape him.
The fact this nonsense is now present here, where women have never enjoyed any real prosperity, makes me want to a-log. And yes of course it’s only women posting about this in my feed, with the exception of two moids, a faggot very into drag and an “art therapist”. Women’s willingness to jump right into the meat grinder is impressively irritating. I know I shouldn’t blame them because I was once like them but I can’t help but be annoyed.
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One of the dumbest things about gender ideology is how your opinion on being your "gender" either confirms or denies it. I've wanted to ask someone who drinks gender koolaid if someone's "true gender" can be something they really dislike being for a while now. There's so much emphasis on "IF you want to be a gay man / lesbian, you can!!" but that contradicts the whole "I didn't choose to be trans" or "wrong body" narrative. Your current subjective feelings on being a man or a women determine what you actually are instead of biology reality?
Can someone be mistaken about being trans? How can we tell if someone is mistaken about their gender soul from those who are truly trans? Is gender innate? If gender is linked to cultural stereotypes, does gender change across cultures and time periods? I could keep going but it's really one of the most retarded things to believe
No. 2483777
>>2483526I wish
TERF feminism would become stronger in Latin America before it's too late.
No. 2483781
>>2483696>A bit of a retarded nitpick but why do we say they're sterilizing gay people when gay people can't have kids anyways.They can..? Lesbians have always found ways to have kids.
>>2483214>Idk this has been bothering me for a while kekMe too nona, their cynicism is chilling.
Gendies are actually very conventional in their inability to self-reflect about CSA. They are only interested in the kinds of abuse they can pin on their opponents, this is exactly how religious nuts manage to feel better about the state of their pedophilia problem. The fact that parents of "transitioned" children are at the very least unwell and at worst molesters is obvious to most people
but them, so gendies are actually innovators when it comes to abusing children and disregarding obvious mistreatment. At least normies acknowledge there is such a thing as a weird uncle you don't let hang around kids or creepy authority figures, gendies and TRAs won't even admit the possibility of wrongdoing. It's depressing
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these people would actually lose their minds if they were actually being genocided
No. 2483847
>>2483696Sterilizing gay people is bad because it's eugenics even if many gay people weren't going to naturally have children, they theoretically could. Also, 'sterilizing children' is usually a catchall term for ruining their reproductive systems, which as you pointed out has severe health effects and sexual performance effects in addition to making them infertile. The way they sterilize/castrate these children many of them will be unable to orgasm, have hormonal issues, vaginal and uterine atrophy/prolapse, etc. It's not just about the ability to have biological children but our reproductive systems are incredibly important to the health of the rest our bodies.
This is kind of a pet peeve argument for me because I have PCOS and have been working really hard to treat it by restoring my natural, regular cycle for years, which has dramatically improved my health. But whenever I talk to a doctor and reject the fucked up hormonal solutions they suggest to me they just say 'but you don't want kids right now anyway!' like not immediately wanting to get pregnant is a good reason to completely fuck up my entire endocrine system. So many little kids and early-20s young adults are getting trooned out who are too young to know if they will want biological children anyway. And even for lesbians who want kids later it's a lot harder to adopt than have your own with a sperm donor, adoption isn't easy or cheap.
>>2483781>At least normies acknowledge there is such a thing as a weird uncle you don't let hang around kids or creepy authority figuresYeah this is the worst part. Whenever I see a tiktok of some teacher's classroom that is absolutely full of gendie flags and posters my spidey senses immediately tell me they are, at best, grooming children for other abusers to take advantage of later by normalizing talk by adults about sex to a weird and invasive degree. We already are at the point where kids interacting with and learning about 'kink' related shit has been normalized via gendie shit and pride parades/drag queen story hour, but the whole TRA movement is sweeping this under the rug as completely normal. Sure conservatard religious people abuse children too but at least we can talk about that and call it out if we're outside of their insular religious communities; kids targeted by primary school gendie teachers really have nowhere to turn.
No. 2483863
>>2483847Yes it fucks up your health bad, your uterus isn't just an organ. I'm tired of trannies acting like it's just there, your uterus is extremely vital to your health and the regulation of your hormones. I agree with everything but the eugenics argument. There really isn't a set gay gene, they theoretically
could have children but they literally can't reproduce consensually unless they go out of their way to pay for it. Most dysphoric lesbians aren't going to be pregnant, they don't want to be pregnant. It's important to recognize this and I really don't think we should put emphasis on "if they troon out they won't have kids" when it comes to gays. I know dysphoric lesbians who don't track their hormonal cycles because they can't find any trackers that don't put emphasis on having kids, I know dysphoric lesbians who avoid going to check-ups because they don't wanna be given a trillion questions about if they've had sex with "amabs" only for their doctors to shake their heads and laugh at the thought of a woman not fucking males, lesbians are already ignored by the medical system. I'm saying we have to stop putting so much emphasis on fertility when it comes to lesbian's health. I always see the eugenics argument in GC spaces too but it's just really flimsy because it's incredibly ignorant to the reasons
why gays troon out. There's truth in saying that damaging someone's sexual organs is terrible for their health but when you say it's eugenics you completely miss the mark.
No. 2483870
>>2483847>Whenever I see a tiktok of some teacher's classroom that is absolutely full of gendie flags and posters my spidey sensesIf it's a woman i assume she's
an empathycuck but she might introduce her pupils to people you don't want around children. Men who are into this cutesy, sanitized, "let me hold your hand and slowly explain sex and trans people" approach are guaranteed creeps. They're the ones getting arrested for CP possession and contact with children, one such activist was recently sent to jail for this in my country, the cops who reviewed the evidence said they'd never seen someone at his level of depravity. If you think about it, there's
no normal reason for an adult, non-homosexual man to be attracted to gendie and LGBT activism in its current form. It's like the worst mix of infantilism, sanitization and actually adult, sensitive subjects.
>>2483814>Pregnancy dysphoria definitely is a thing for lesbiansWhy do you think lesbians specifically? Genuinely curious
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(Discrimination also seems to be a big reason as to why both lesbians and bisexual women delay going to the doctor. I do know both lesbian and bisexual women who get scoffed at by doctors when they bring up their sexuality when asked about their sexual health)
>>2483863Samefag but I'm also not saying it's okay for these womens' reproductive system to get fucked up because they don't want kids. It's absolutely not and I'm not saying that at all. I just think we need a different approach when it comes to gays. I'm acknowledging that it's useless to ignore how dysphoric lesbians view their own reproductive systems. These women ignore their own health because of how destructive their mentality about their own body is. There's so much emphasis on having kids when in discussions about women's health that I think it really does leave out lesbians and by effect, lesbians end up with less knowledge about their own bodies. I know a lot of lesbians who just don't take care of themselves because of this. You can't convince doctors that this is eugenics either, because they too know these women absolutely do not want to get pregnant. Start telling these women that their uterus isn't just for reproduction and it's for their entire body, that they can't just fuck it up and expect to be healthy.
>>2483870>Why do you think lesbians specifically? Genuinely curiousWell for one, I am a lesbian and I have struggled with dysphoria at a very very intense level. I also know other lesbians who felt the same. That's why I feel like it's important to discuss this. Lesbians have been trooning out for longer than the tranny craze as we know it in 2025 has existed, unfortunately, they just don't have much support and the medical system refuses to actually understand them. But the reason that I think this is, is because outside of things like IVF, pregnancy is usually a result of heterosexual sex. Of course, many lesbians are disgusted by heterosexual intercourse or are just neutral about it. But if you're dysphoric, you likely have other mental illness stacked up on you. So if you're a lesbian who is disgusted by heterosexual intercourse, and as a result, pregnancy, it's going to be much more irrational and vehement. Like freaking out if you see anything het or feeling extremely uncomfortable if you're seen as straight. The logic is "I'm gay -> I don't want heterosexual sex -> I don't want to get pregnant -> so my problem is that I don't want my uterus anymore and that I want to be a male" It should obviously just end at "I don't want heterosexual sex and I don't want to get pregnant", because that's normal. But if you live in a world that forces the mother role on you or forces heterosexuality on you while not wanting any of that, it's going to cause a lot of distress.
Of course some straight/bi women will have strong negative feelings about pregnancy sometimes, but I'm talking about gays specifically.
No. 2483916
>>2483819>"everyday i stray further from being a woman… to becoming a human"Sadly the idea that women aren't full humans is so baked into our social norms and teachings that I almost can't blame them. Well, I can, because it's weak-willed and pathetic, but especially with young girls who transition as minors I have some sympathy for them believing this and once they troon out or identify as 'not a woman' they have to hold onto this idea to justify their gender identity. It's a vicious cycle where being told women aren't full humans > deciding you're not a woman > having to constantly flex on other women you're more human than them > rejecting any actual feminism that tells you you're stupid.
>>2483863There doesn't have to be a set gay gene for it to be eugenics though. You just need people to believe that gay people are genetically inferior to try to eugenically cull them; non-heritable traits have been the subject of eugenics in the past just because of a general belief it was improving the gene pool (like groups who performed worse on IQ tests due to lower education). Just saying that "most" lesbians aren't going to want children doesn't mean that you should try to sterilize all of them as a society; they can just opt not to have kids later but the point is that's their choice. It shouldn't be something forced on them in childhood or early adulthood.
>I'm saying we have to stop putting so much emphasis on fertility when it comes to lesbian's health.Fertility is important for every woman's health regardless of whether she wants children or not though. An ovulation/cycle tracker that doesn't talk about children or sex with males would still be a fertility tracker at the end of the day. I'm all for de-emphasizing children and pregnancy in women's health things for women that aren't trying to have children, but that doesn't mean our reproductive cycles should be ignored and swept under the rug regardless.
>>2483870I agree the women are mostly empathycucks but a woman grooming children on a moid's behalf is still grooming them at the end of the day. The disgusting moids in TRA spaces prey on women's empathy in order to make their grooming appear innocent and socially acceptable but in the end they're the main beneficiaries, while women who are creeped out by this are shut down constantly by their handmaidens.
No. 2483938
>>2483916You aren't taking into account what I'm saying at all.
>Just saying that "most" lesbians aren't going to want children doesn't mean that you should try to sterilize all of them as a societyI'm not saying they should be sterilized. I am against sterilizing them actually. What did you misinterpret in my message that made you think that we should damage lesbians' reproductive organs because I made it very clear that I'm against that.
>they can just opt not to have kids later but the point is that's their choice.I said that too.
>Fertility is important for every woman's health regardless of whether she wants children or not though.Fertility is an aspect of reproductive health, it is a byproduct of it. It does not encompass reproductive health. It is the ability to have children. You can focus on other aspects of reproductive health when having discussions with dysphoric lesbians. Lesbians are notoriously left out of puberty/sex ed.
>An ovulation/cycle tracker that doesn't talk about children or sex with males would still be a fertility tracker at the end of the dayYou're not only tracking fertility by tracking your cycle though. Knowing when your period is coming up can be important especially if you experience elevated symptoms during/before your period. I don't see what your point is. You don't track your cycle purely to know how fertile you are.
>but that doesn't mean our reproductive cycles should be ignored and swept under the rug regardless.I'm not implying that at all, I'm literally not. I am specifically referring to pregnancy.
We are specifically talking about trannies, and with trannydom comes dysphoria. I'm specifically talking about dysphoric ones, the ones who would rather
kill themselves than keep their uterus because they only associate it with pregnancy. I'm not even referring to lesbians in general.
No. 2483941
Re: the religious pedophiles versus TRA pedophiles argument there's another really important distinction I think liberals often don't want to talk about because of their hatred of religious conservatives. Gendies will deflect from their pedopandering by bringing up the catholic church but the reason catholic priests abused so many children is the same reason any moids in positions of power who have access to children are prolific pedophiles - you see this with cops, politicians, gym teachers, etc. as well. It's not like the ideology of catholicism is pro-pedophilia, men just realized they could access children easily in those positions. The reason the church covered it up was most likely because it's a huge optics problem for them if their "flock" realized the priests were enabling pedophiles, so they swept it under the rug (some tinfoil hatters like my mom think the catholic church leadership is all like jesuit satanist pedo gays but if you're a regular person you probably don't believe this).
The thing TRAs don't seem to realize is that they are AT BEST covering up pedophilia in their communities for the same reason the catholic church did - because it's bad optics for them to acknowledge it. But they'll talk about how the catholic church covering for pedo priests enabled more abuse, so why can't they see that covering for pedo TRAs also enables more abuse? They obviously see it, they just don't care. And that's the best case scenario.
Realistically it's even more sinister than that because unlike catholicism (which doesn't support pedophilia in its official dogma), the genderist movement was basically started by pedos and has pro-pedophilia arguments among its central tenets. Even if they try to mask it by saying it's about something else like 'empowering' children to be their true selves or whatever, they're actually arguing that small children are 'adult' enough to make adult-like decisions about sex and sexuality, and that non-kin adults should be facilitating this. It's one step away from the MAP argument that children should be able to have sexual relationships with adults because they have the right to make their own sexual decisions. TRAs are constantly gushingly quoting from texts written by actual known, prolific pedos and rapists and see no issue with this whatsoever - they believe normies shouldn't see an issue with it either. Normie catholic women wouldn't go 'oh yeah, actually' if their priest started proselytizing about how kids can be 'kinky' and need to be sexually empowered but TRA handmaidens actually do. So at best TRAs are just as bad as conservative religious nuts covering for the predators in their community and at worst they're actually far worse because many of them know pedophilia is baked into the ideology and they support it anyway.
No. 2483963
>>2483938Anon I think we're actually mostly in agreement but just disagreeing on the connotations of specific words. I wasn't accusing you of saying lesbians should be sterilized at all, I'm just defending the radfems who say this is like eugenics against gays. I think the reason they say that is that a lot of the essentially conservative-minded people who try to troon out gay/GNC young people are subconsciously viewing it as a sort of 'cleansing.' Even if strictly speaking being gay isn't heritable, the average conservative with a gay son that troons him out like Jazz Jennings' mom probably isn't thinking about it that scientifically, they just don't want the gay son to exist, period.
>It does not encompass reproductive health. It is the ability to have children. Yeah I think this is a semantic disagreement. I think of my 'ability to have children' as important even though I don't want children, because of the health effects on my body. I developed severe PCOS as a result of going on birth control pills, so I've seen that the effect of 'deliberately' making yourself infertile can be wide-ranging health problems. Having the physical ability to have children should be divorced in medicine, imo, from the desire to have children. I've been victimized by doctors acting like the only reason I would want to be 'fertile' and have regular cycles is if I'd want a baby, and I think many lesbians could likewise receive worse medical care because doctors (and they themselves) think their 'fertility' doesn't matter since they don't want babies. It seems like you agree with me but just take issue with the word 'fertility' as opposed to 'reproductive health' but imo fertility is the most obvious word to use for having a healthy cycle that would enable you to healthily get pregnant, even if you don't want to frame it as related to pregnancy. 'Reproductive health' to me actually encompasses other stuff like pregnancy and postnatal care, abortion, etc. that aren't really related to just maintaining healthy reproductive organs. It seems like you're using the word 'fertility tracker' to mean 'an app you use to wonder if you can get pregnant' whereas to me it just means 'something that's tracking your ovulatory cycles.'
Also if anything I think the word 'reproductive health' has more direct baby-making connotations than the word 'fertility.' Reproductive health implies it's related directly to reproducing (having offspring) whereas to me the connotations of 'fertility' are more just about normal sexual maturity as an adult, not specifically referring to actively reproducing. I'd be willing to call these things something else for the sake of dysphoric lesbians getting less
triggered but I'm not sure if that would even work since people are going to associate these things with pregnancy anyway; I guess maybe just calling it something like 'female hormonal health' might be better to avoid
triggering women with pregnancy dysphoria but then it might
trigger the ones with sex dysphoria because of the word 'female' being used. Also, final point, this is neither here nor there but my experience with PCOS is that I saw an endocrinologist and he basically told me that 'female' reproductive health issues were not his wheelhouse and I should see a gynecologist. So to treat my endocrine problems I was forced to go sit in a gyno office where 95% of the other patients were pregnant women anyway because a 'regular' endocrinologist will mainly be treating diabetes, Cushing, etc. and female-specific endocrinology goes back to the obgyn anyway.
No. 2483977
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he literally did the "skirt go spinny" shit kek.
>>2483854black people in the us get shot by the cops or otherwise harassed racists all the time and don't whine nearly as hard as trannies do. same with hispanics. i'm saying if these white men/pale eastern people were actually at risk of violence or otherwise being murdered en masse by the government the 41% stat wouldn't be mere myth
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>>2483963>the average conservative with a gay son that troons him out like Jazz Jennings' mom probably isn't thinking about it that scientifically, they just don't want the gay son to exist, period.This is true, this is what they do to gays in Iran and often the surgeries/treatment are really shitty and lead the gay person in question to their demise. It's basically telling gays that they're more "useful" as an infertile person with a shit ton of health complications of the opposite sex than a gay person of the sex that they actually are. I remember seeing trannies on xitter act like it was heggin epic because "OMG FREE HRT!!!" too. Seeing trannies egg this on makes you know how easily they're willing to throw minorities and women under the bus as long as it benefits them. It's funny knowing how they love to claim they're being thrown under the bus all the time
>>2483963By definition "reproductive health" refers to the condition of you reproductive system. You don't have to make children with your reproductive systems. It's not really the connotation or how it sounds, that's the actual context it's used in. Fertility
is your ability to have children. I agree that a lot of our debate is semantic but I am going by definition. So when I say "emphasis on fertility" I am referring to "emphasis on one's ability to have children".
>I'd be willing to call these things something else for the sake of dysphoric lesbians getting less triggered but I'm not sure if that would even work since people are going to associate these things with pregnancy anywayEh,
you don't really have to change your wording or anything. It's moreso how one speaks to their own doctor that matters or how these topics are discussed in an educational setting. You're not gonna
trigger somebody with dysphoria by not being meticulous with your wording 24/7, it's just if these people are in an educational setting somewhere where there aren't much resources for gay students and are taught, for example, that they should track their periods
only because they should know when they can get pregnant, they're gonna avoid tracking their cycle despite it having many benefits outside of that. ykwim? Lesbians avoid going to the doctor, not because the doctor can't be perfect with how they word things or whatever, but because doctors will often treat them negatively or suspiciously when asking about their sexual history. I've even see lib doctors try to force "amabs" on lesbians because they think lesbians fuck trannies for whatever reason.. it's crazy
I think generally we agree and you're right about a lot of this being semantic. I'm not saying you as an individual need to change your language I'm just talking about institutions. I think radfems also need to acknowledge the differences in how lesbian, bisexual, and straight TIFs act. I'd argue that the healthcare system is trying to shorten the lifespans and leech money off of gays rather than eugenicizing them, there's countries already doing this actually and it's really bad. I could see how the tranny shit is eugenicizing autists though.
No. 2484032
>>2483977>How do I know I'm a woman? Probably because my girlfriend's a lesbian.I love how their reasoning is always 1. entirely circular and 2. defined by other people instead of anything about themselves. Also fuck his they/them "lesbian" friend for LARPing as a lesbian and making another moid feel entitled to sex and relationships from lesbian women. Fuck this type of handmaiden especially.
>skirt go spinny is further evidenceCan't these moids see they're literal caricatures? Wow, loose fabric billows when you spin in a circle, now I really believe you're female. The physics of how fabric behaves are gender-dependent, maybe we should make it into a formal test at birth instead of meanly 'assigning' genders based on genitals!
No. 2484069
>>2483985Also on the eugenics point I wanted to bring up one more thing which I forgot to mention: a lot of people call it 'eugenics' because they associate eugenics with the Holocaust, and gay people (not trans people, interestingly) were holocausted. So that is probably another reason radfems (and a lot of normies) associate gay conversion/sterilization with eugenics.
>By definition "reproductive health" refers to the condition of you reproductive system. I'd argue the same for the word 'fertility' in common parlance. I see it used all the time to refer to the general condition of the reproductive system and not just childbearing whereas I see 'reproductive health' referring more to abortions, prenatal/postnatal care, etc. than having a healthy ovulatory cycle. Maybe because of the US political connotations, but when I hear 'reproductive health' my mind jumps to topics like accessibility of birth control and abortion, maternal deaths, etc. and I think in those discussions the intrinsic hormonal health of your body rarely comes up. Anyway I think any of a number of words are fine to describe what we're talking about depending on what's regionally normalized, but my main point is just that there's a conflation in the healthcare system and in normal women's minds between their overall hormonal health and the idea of imminently wanting a baby which shouldn't be there. Many severe and debilitating hormonal disorders in young women are missed or ignored because they're not trying to conceive so their periods and sex hormone levels aren't viewed as important, and the TRA push to mess with women's natural bodies is only exacerbating this already severe problem.
>It's moreso how one speaks to their own doctor that matters or how these topics are discussed in an educational setting. I agree with this. I'm not even lesbian (am bisexual) but have experienced doctors treating me with suspicion when I said I don't need to worry about birth control because I'm dating a woman. Sadly, mostly female doctors.
>I'd argue that the healthcare system is trying to shorten the lifespans and leech money off of gays rather than eugenicizing themI think it's a combination of various things. Parents of GNC children wanting to make their seemingly-gay children 'straight' or 'normal,' the medical system wanting lifelong patients to leech money from, liberal/leftist parents wanting to feel like their children are 'special' or like they're such good parents for being accepting, pedophiles trying to groom children/autopedophiles trying to essentially vicariously live through them, an increasing discomfort with GNC behavior/presentation and a society-wide pushback against 90s-era 'girls and boys aren't that different' thinking by both religious conservatives/trads AND leftists/liberals, weird transhumanist attitudes that we can basically edit the human body to our liking, normalization of plastic surgery, and many other factors are converging to make this happen. One of the biggest ones I would argue is behind this is actually just men being uncomfortable with how far women have come as soon as we got basic legal equality - moids mad that women are doing better in schooling and (sometimes) work, don't feel like marrying moids is our only option for a good life, don't want children as young or at all or as many children, etc. and this is their attempt to push back or punish women for rejecting 'trad' gender roles. Another one is the libfem normalization of male depravity generally. If they can get women to accept males brazenly skinwalking us in a pornified manner out in our daily lives, our ability to fight against sexual predation is seriously curtailed. For the moids that do this, TIFs are basically just pawns/collateral damage - they are a convenient group to point to and say 'see! it's not just gross fetishistic men, it's shy asexual women too!'
No. 2484213
>>2483854nta but the point is they keep saying they are literally being genocided when they live cushy lives in a rich first world country. they would implode if they experience systemic discrimination. if they were actually being killed en masse. instead they act like genocide is when the government says they are a man because they have a penis, and the law will see them as such. that is not genocide. OP obviously wasn't saying we should genocide all troons or that most people would react calmly to people like them being killed. don't be retarded.
also somewhat related but i think this is why transbians are the most loud and annoying. they have lived most of their lives as straight men and now all of a sudden society is treating them like a femme gay man. they have never experienced any sort of discrimination their entire lives prior to trooning out.
>>2483774i've noticed this sort of thinking has bled into the larger lgb community too. i so often now see people say they 'feel' like a certain sexuality. they can't be straight because they don't 'feel' straight. i have never in my life felt like a lesbian, i am just only attracted to women, therefore i am a lesbian. they want to be a certain identity to fit a certain image i.e. they're now enby or bi because being a straight girl is boring in some circles.
No. 2484231
>>2484154>>2484213>Some women need to accept they’re bisexual>i so often now see people say they 'feel' like a certain sexualityI agree with both of these but unfortunately western society is in a horrible doom spiral regarding sexuality and self-ID that makes it seem extremely disadvantageous to women to actually identify as bisexual. When peak libfem/LGBTQQQIA++ happened in the 2010s it made straight people feel 'uncool' for being straight so a lot of straight women (and even men to a smaller degree) took the most convenient option of identifying as bi because no proof or sexual history is required to claim you're bi. This resulted in out bisexuals being massively outnumbered by actual straight women and, as the straight women got louder in 'queer' movements, resulted in everyone, especially gay women, hating bi women even more because all the bi-larping straight women gave bis a bad reputation as unicorn-hunting handmaidens, LARPers, TIM-lovers, etc. This resulted in actual bisexual women hiding their sexuality and either identifying as lesbians (if they're vaguely febfem) or straight (if they're not) or just not talking about their sexuality at all to avoid being lumped in with the predatory LARPers. The whole thing made it 'uncool' to ID as bisexual and as time went on labels like 'lesbian' became more trendy in youth kweer circles making even straight women want to id as lesbian instead of bisexual to get cool points in the culture.
I know at least three women irl who I am 99% sure (based on their behavior and relationship history) are bisexual but who call themselves lesbian (they're all febfems essentially). I almost find it hard to blame them considering how I think they'd be treated in their own social circles if they openly stated they were bi while only dating women/seeking women to date. Lesbians accept them as lesbians and this leads to women who identify as bisexual being viewed as more predatory by the lesbian/febfem community as the only openly bi women left are the ones who usually date men. Then add troons to the mix and social propriety in 'queer' circles dictates that you would be socially ostracized as a lesbian-identifying woman for calling yourself bi the second you're attracted to a gendie moid, so out of pure "niceness" (handmaidenry) a lot of women will keep up the lesbian LARP just to avoid stepping on their pet TIM's precious feelings. AGP moids can get violent when their STRAIGHT wives refuse to call themselves lesbians when they troon out after 10 years of marriage. I think we just have a social situation where bi women and even straight women feel like it's socially 'safer' to id as lesbian and are willing to throw lesbian women under the bus in the process, which is terrible of them but is also partially a result of negative attitudes toward female bisexuality. It's never gonna stop until we stop validating the idea of self ID generally whether it comes to 'gender' or sexuality. The second you convince people they are whatever they say they are and people have to treat them according to what they label themselves as, most people are going to opt to label themselves whatever feels most currently convenient.
No. 2484242
>>2483807>dysphoric = not comfortable in your body, so their "true gender" would be something they feel at ease with.Nta but isn't that ""truscum"" and a big no-no nowadays? Plenty of troons don't get SRS and write essays about how they don't owe people femininity/masculinity i.e. they want the troon label despite being totally fine with their body and appearance.
>>2483825"omg genocide!!!" and it's just about how you can't lie to the government or employer about your sex
No. 2484285
>>2484263I always find the 'pedo church!' argument annoying because it's always pulled out by the same type of liberals who support more overtly pedophilic religions like Islam that has its prophet marrying a 6/9 year old in their sacred text, gush about sexology researchers like Kinsey or advocate exposing children to gonzo porn. At the time when the catholic pedophilia scandal was the worst, it was the biggest, and wealthiest, religion in the world. Whenever you see any institution run by wealthy men who have secretive meetings and committees women and normal people aren't privy to, you also see pedophilia rings because moids are like that and pedomoids seek access to children via careers that give them access to children. But I don't think the catholic church functionally harbored any more pedos proportionately than most other similar male-run groups did, they just got outed more effectively and it engendered more public outrage because most practising catholics live in countries where sexual abuse and assault of children is considered culturally and morally wrong. (This may also be a controversial hot take but I think catholic church sexual abuse was taken more seriously because most of the known
victims were boys, and people take boy
victims more seriously than girl
victims).
Also with the exception of altarboy/seminary type situations, the catholic church doesn't generally advocate for alienating or separating children from families. The modern pomo genderism movement does even though families (especially mothers) are usually the main people who are emotionally invested in safeguarding children. Whenever any culture or movement supports separating children (female children particularly) from their parents and treating parental concern as
abusive/suspicious, it makes me think there is an ulterior motive there to groom children. The modern 'queer' movement is dead-set on removing parental safeguards and turning children against their families when the family doesn't immediately 'affirm' them and this is basically grooming 101. The fact they actively seek government backing in order to go behind parents' backs or even separate children from their parents makes it even more sinister. As much as people will bring up that many children are abused by their own family members, biofathers are far less likely to sexually abuse their sons/daughters than any other men, and mothers are the main protectors of their children.
No. 2484309
>>2484299>It's crazy to me that nowadays a shit ton of people have their sexual orientation, medical history and race in their bio. Not just that but watermelon or sunflower emojis or whatever to signal which 'side' of a war they're on like a brutal war killing thousands of people is some kind of fandom spat, fucking nametags or zoom names/email signatures requiring pronouns at various corporate and educational functions, etc. It used to be considered weird and immoral to try to force people into outing themselves as gay and I've now sat through multiple classes/meetings with a professor/supervisor in university where they asked us to tell them our sexuality, gender, etc. I had a prof who wasn't even into gendie shit sit me and a few other students down and say that the university administration requires him to write a proposal describing the 'sexuality and gender diversity' of his lab members and essentially asking us to out ourselves as gay/bi/whatever (as well as members of minority ethnic groups, like white jewish) to maintain his grant funding because it would 'affect his eligibility for grant money.' I pushed back against this and said it's completely inappropriate to ask gay students to out themselves or ask white jewish students to discuss their non-obvious ethnic/religious heritage and he agreed with me but the reason we're in this position is that actually we consider this socially normal and appropriate now.
My approach to this as a bi woman is that I tell people I know and trust if it's relevant to the discussion, and some people know I'm bi because they've known me long enough to remember me having girlfriends, but otherwise I avoid mentioning it to strangers or otherwise advertising this fact about myself, partially because I come from an extremely homophobic culture/family and partly because I don't see any benefit to leading with my microidentity markers and would rather people just get to know me naturally. I can't really blame young zoomies and gen alphas for getting caught up in this shit either but I think there's no point bringing it up unless it's relevant to the discussion, and people need to start realizing it isn't all that relevant to most discussions. There aren't really that many characteristically gay hobbies or personality traits all bisexual women share or whatever, these are just more stereotypes. I don't lead with/disclose the fact I have a chronic illness unless it's immediately relevant either, I just live my life. It might be relevant to an employer or close friends but unless it's a disability like blindness or something like a severe peanut allergy where you'd need to wear a medical alert bracelet, people don't care anyway.
No. 2484362
>>2484285Once again, this is spot on. Whining about islamophobia is another big contradiction in their discourse. They also (pretend to) denounce fascism and authoritarianism all the time while pushing for censorship harder than any other political movement. This leads me to believe that they don't really have any principles or beliefs. It's all about the oppression hierarchy and identity politics rather than recognizing misogyny and pedophilia and calling it out no matter who is behind it. Depressing.
>The modern 'queer' movement is dead-set on removing parental safeguards and turning children against their families when the family doesn't immediately 'affirm' them and this is basically grooming 101.Very true. How are even women blind to this? Is the fear of being called a bigot stronger than the instinct to protect yourself and your children?
No. 2484374
Interesting Butler definition of mutilation here. Maybe I'm just not academic enough to understand it?
No. 2484394
>>2484362>(pretend to) denounce fascism and authoritarianism all the time while pushing for censorship harder than any other political movementIt's actually mindboggling how normalized this has become. I've seen many examples since, but the first time I really noticed how effective and absolute internet censorship was was the Jonathan Yaniv situation back in the late 2010s. I stg you couldn't find a single page or article discussing it on google search and even using duckduckgo you had to go like 5 pages back to find anything. Even the almost-successful attempts to take down the other farms have mostly been done by troons and mostly for the purpose of shoving their sex crimes against women/children under the rug. I seriously can't believe that growing up 'free speech' was seen as a basic liberal value and now this loose coalition of people (TRAs and a handful of other aligned groups) have basically made Freeze Peach into a joke and convinced leftists it's a conservative rightwing value to hold. Some younger zoomers may not even know/remember this but those of us older than like 28 probably remember when leftists/liberals thought censorship was bad. The most depraved and disgusting aspect of this is that they'll still cape for free speech and 'open information access' and 'you can't keep your kids innocent' when it comes to porn and degeneracy, but when it comes to some middle aged British feminism prof tweeting a wrong pronoun they're happy to send 4 armored cops to her house to arrest her for wrongthink.
>This leads me to believe that they don't really have any principles or beliefs.Honestly, yes, this is the leg up postmodernists/critical theorists (so all TRAs, basically) have on everyone else. Their actual ideology espouses that there is no objective truth or objective moral right/wrong, and that beliefs/principles can shift based on oppression/power dynamics. So all they have to do under that framework to convince themselves they're in the right is to declare themselves more oppressed than other people and then basically any 'power struggle' that they get into with normies ('the hegemonic oppressors') is justified on the basis they're more oppressed and any tactic they use in that power struggle is also justified for the same reason. This is why radfems have consistently lost by giving them an inch, because they will always take a mile and they won't feel bad. We're playing completely different games with different rules. Radfems typically adhere to materialism which holds that there is some kind of objective truth/material reality (even if the marxist underpinnings of radical feminism also use the oppressor/oppressed power struggle dynamic to explain things) whereas their TRA opponents don't give a shit about material reality, principles, truth, or whatever. There's no point logically trying to argue with gendies because they don't care if you're right - they don't even think being right exists as a concept. They think they're more oppressed than you, so they get to stomp on you, period.
>Is the fear of being called a bigot stronger than the instinct to protect yourself and your children?Most of the women who are recruited into genderism aren't old enough to have their own children and that's the whole point of them trying to recruit/'get to' people as young as possible. They're preying on the most weak/vulnerable people in society before they've had enough life experience to hone strong instincts about social danger. They pit younger 'cool' libfem women against lame, boring, ugly, fat, non-makeup-wearing middle aged women (Karens) who are 'shrill' while trying to stand up for their rights and their children, because they know young women fear nothing more than being like the 'lame, ugly, old' women. That's one reason.
The other reason is related to the first, which is that our society indoctrinates women and girls to constantly pander to males in a perverse protection racket where if we're good enough at being women in the right way, the males will protect and maybe even respect us. People talk a lot about this in conservative communities but liberal men are the same - they ask liberal women to perform like circus clowns for them in order to show that we 'deserve' their protection and allyship, and they pretend they'll throw us a bone of 'women's rights laws' if we cape for every minority identity they put in front of us and ask us to approve of. The whole libfem grift basically depends on moids claiming that they are only so violent, rapey and evil toward women because women don't coddle them enough, and men would 'act right' if we 'raised them right' with enough gentleness and sensitivity to their feelings. A lot of women truly believe this nurture over nature view and will do anything in their power to continuously gaslight themselves that males will behave correctly if we're just gentle enough with them, so when males crybully, fake-limp and play
victim women try to coddle them hoping they'll be 'on our side' against other men. Troon males are the ultimate expression of this grift and handmaidens eat up the idea that some men are so female-identified, so empathetic toward our plight, that they literally ARE women (or at least they want to be women so bad we should pretend they are). Then they'll finally be on our side, and help us fight the bad males!
When women have children of their own, and their maternal instincts about their actual children (instead of fake-limping adult males) kick in, that's when they tend to stop putting up with this shit and that's when they get hit with accusations of radfem-to-tradwife pipeline or 'Karen' or no-fun prude bitch. Not only males but also younger women will turn on mothers and insist they're shrill, hysterical, overprotective shrews who just want society to be no fun because they're ugly and walled with their post-pregnancy bodies. When men get older and have children society affords them more respect but society does not afford mothers any respect, and this is even true of young radfems. There are sometimes good reasons for this (boymoms etc) but at the end of the day we all just don't really have much love for mothers and we all don't take them very seriously.
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this one gendie girl complimented me but took it back when she heard me call a troon "trans so-called woman"
i thought all terfs were supposed to be ugly old hags. huh
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>>2484374Fuck this evil gendie for everything she has wrought on our entire society. She's handmaiden #1. Yes her definition of 'mutilation' being uhh… letting kids have the bodies they were born with is extremely weird and yes you probably need to be extremely academic and deep to understand it.
>>2484397Honestly anon was she ever based? I hear people say she was based but whenever I've read her early seminal super-important articles (or any other person's analysis of them) they seemed completely retarded and I think she truly paved the way for modern genderism more than any other female academic in history. Of all the "feminist" thinkers in the last century only Camille Paglia, off the top of my head, comes close to doing as much damage as Judith Butler did. Picrel from this incredible essay every gendie and every radfem should read:
https://newrepublic.com/article/150687/professor-parody
>I agree to an extent cultural and social influences are not that strong compared to reality. Butler and similar gendies are in the "reality doesn't exist" camp, see this quote from the aforementioned article:
>Butler’s main idea, first introduced in Gender Trouble in 1989 and repeated throughout her books, is that gender is a social artifice. Our ideas of what women and men are reflect nothing that exists eternally in nature. Instead they derive from customs that embed social relations of power.>So what does Butler’s work add to this copious body of writing? Gender Trouble and Bodies that Matter contain no detailed argument against biological claims of “natural” difference, no account of mechanisms of gender replication, and no account of the legal shaping of the family; nor do they contain any detailed focus on possibilities for legal change. What, then, does Butler offer that we might not find more fully done in earlier feminist writings? One relatively original claim is that when we recognize the artificiality of gender distinctions, and refrain from thinking of them as expressing an independent natural reality, we will also understand that there is no compelling reason why the gender types should have been two (correlated with the two biological sexes), rather than three or five or indefinitely many. “When the constructed status of gender is theorized as radically independent of sex, gender itself becomes a free-floating artifice,” she writes.>Thus the one place for agency in a world constrained by hierarchy is in the small opportunities we have to oppose gender roles every time they take shape. When I find myself doing femaleness, I can turn it around, poke fun at it, do it a little bit differently. Such reactive and parodic performances, in Butler’s view, never destabilize the larger system. She doesn’t envisage mass movements of resistance or campaigns for political reform; only personal acts carried out by a small number of knowing actors. >Butler’s second strong claim is that the body itself, and especially the distinction between the two sexes, is also a social construction. She means not only that the body is shaped in many ways by social norms of how men and women should be; she means also that the fact that a binary division of sexes is taken as fundamental, as a key to arranging society, is itself a social idea that is not given in bodily reality. What exactly does this claim mean, and how plausible is it?Part of the reason Butler was given any airtime at all at the time she was considered "cool" was because we had a time in recent history where normal people didn't have access to a lot of scientific information and certain fields of biology were still in their infancy or hadn't been successfully communicated to the public yet so the idea of a human hermaphrodite (which she brings up in the video) was still considered plausible by normal people that just heard about an 'intersex person' through a natgeo article one time. Now we have all the info available even as scientifically uneducated normies to realize that there is no human hermaphroditism and that even people with DSDs are clearly one of the two sexes, but this retarded handmaiden is still trying to exploit the generally low scientific literacy of the public to pretend that's not the case and there are scientifically 'third sex' human beings.
>Sitting in an office all day writing and reading within an echo chamber with no actual practice of going outside and possibly thinking critically against your own beliefs makes me feel like she's a failed academic.She should be but sadly being like this is what currently characterizes most successful academics, especially in the humanities. Walling yourself off from decades of scientific research that completely dismantle your whole philosophical edifice is the only way people like this stay in business and they have no desire to be booted out of the halls of intellectual fame so they just pretend the critique isn't happening and the counterexamples haven't been presented. They sit there arguing in circles with other "social scientists" who also refuse to engage in observing empirical reality and kick up a big fuss about their "philosophical" disagreements. Remember when science used to be called "natural philosophy" because the idea was that humanities and sciences were part of the same system? For people whose entire career and reputation depends on ignoring empirical reality, gone are those days.
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>>2484427I do think in her earlier academic years there was a large debate regarding post simone de beauvoir feminist theory, especially regarding the concepts of sex and gender. I do agree with some of Butler's ideas of gender being a social construct and the importance of making it distinct from sex (which has been undeniable in framing radfem ideas of the abolishment of gender roles) hence why I called her earlier ideas based, but I did forget how instead of being on the side of abolishing gender roles entirely, Butler only seems to have created a new set of gender roles in her own world that is completely isolated from everything else. Butler has also not been afraid in pointing out and being clearly critical against feminist scholars that try to philosophize their homophobia through pseudo anthropological theories on human behavior, which was really daring at the time. I also think that she over emphasizes gender and mixes it up with human identity, which… is definitely something to say the least. She does seem to have come from a very isolated yet privileged background if daring to question biological realities is something that she even wants to entertain in her writing.
Somewhat related she recently released a book last year about the roots of anti-trans shit and how it ties to pro-authoritarianism, with a key reason for doing so because of a talk she did in Brazil where one of the people yelled at her saying "take your ideology to hell". Insanely based for that person to say that and it does expose how little experience with the outside world she has now.
No. 2484448
>>2484436ayrt and as the article I linked pointed out, this idea of separating sex and gender wasn't new or introduced by Butler - Dworkin, Mackinnon, even John Stuart Mill in the 19th century (!) had already advanced these ideas. All Butler really did was put those ideas in a pomo word blender and present them as more fanciful and divorced from empirical reality than the previous discussions of that idea were, which is the opposite of based or helpful imo.
>I do agree with some of Butler's ideas of gender being a social construct and the importance of making it distinct from sexI disagree but I understand this makes me 'not a radical feminist.' For me the more useful term rather than 'gender' is 'sex stereotypes' and besides being more direct it is also more accurate. Some of what people call 'gender' is correct, accurate stereotypes or probabilistic observations about differences between the sexes that are based in reality, while others are incorrect, inaccurate stereotypes which are promoted in order to subjugate women. I don't see any real utility in the concept of 'gender' as separate from 'sex' (and honestly prior to this distinction being created by humanities academics in the late 20th century people were doing absolutely fine discussing feminism without the concept).
>Butler has also not been afraid in pointing out and being clearly critical against feminist scholars that try to philosophize their homophobia through pseudo anthropological theories on human behaviorI'm less familiar with what she supposedly did in this regard but despite this, here she is talking to Owen Jones talking about "gays, lesbians, nonbinaries and bisexuals." She contributed to creating the monster of 'sexuality and gender identity are completely separate concepts!' but she can't even tell the difference between a retarded NLOG enby straight tif and a lesbian or bisexual. She sees it as the same thing, in 2025.
>isolated yet privileged background if daring to question biological realities is something that she even wants to entertainPrivileged or not you have to be mentally retarded to question biological reality. I doubt Butler is genuinely low-IQ so it is a retardation and brain-scrambling of her own making and as you can see from picrel above she scrambled her brain willingly trying to sound 'smart' to get a foothold in academia. No respect for these women, they drag all of us down and make a laughingstock of feminism and the humanities in general. Lol that she's so mentally fragile she wrote an entire book about a 2nd world heckler.
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>>2484448I agree with a majority of your points (currently reading the article you linked right now) however I do want a deeper explanation to your perspective on gender. As I see it as a cultural reflection on societal beliefs taught to men and women, with traits that differ among cultures around the world.
>accurate stereotypes or probabilistic observations about differences between the sexes that are based in realityWhat do you mean by this? It could really be an interpretation I'm not familiar with. With my definition of gender, it means specific traits that define what femininity and masculinity is within a specific culture, not necessarily being stereotypes that subjugate women. It's hard for me to follow when the correct definition lacks examples. However I do see utility in gender and sex being separate as one is more of a cultural matter and another being shared among everyone regardless of society. Asian feminists from India have different focuses on how women are oppressed in their society compared to western feminists from America. Sex is the reason why their oppressed, the unique oppression they face is from the societal application of gender onto their sex.
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>>2483977>shouldn't you just go along with it because it's the nice, polite thing to do?No.
No. 2484491
>>2484457Sure I'll explain, this is the main reason I break with radical feminism on certain topics and don't call myself a radfem. I think like you say, there is an idea that was heavily promoted in second wave feminism that there is sex, and women are the oppressed sex class because of our reproductive role (this I agree with), and then there is gender, which like you say is some sort of "cultural reflection on societal beliefs taught to men and women, with traits that differ among cultures" but which, if we got rid of it entirely, would somehow stop the sex-based oppression of women. If society and everyone in it could just be taught that 'gender' is a false social construction with no basis in reality, we would liberate women from the shackles of 'gender' and we would have a sex-egalitarian society. I understand this is a gross oversimplification of the ideology but I think it's a pretty good approximation of what most modern radfem/GC women believe.
For me the idea of 'gender' has no real social utility and it just makes people tie themselves in knots intellectually and confuse themselves and each other. Regardless of differences across culture, geography, and time, pretty much everything that can be described as 'gender' (the very new, modern understanding of gender everyone uses now) is just sex stereotypes. They could differ across cultures but it's whatever stereotypes are associated with each sex in that culture, at that time, in that place. There's no nebulous 'other thing' that is associated-but-not with sex, there's just stereotypes associated with the sexes. For that reason I don't think we can ever 'get rid of' gender as a lot of radfems claim we should, because gender (sex stereotypes) existing is just a function of the sexes existing, and us as conscious beings knowing the sexes exist, and antagonistic mechanisms between the biological sexes that exist to further their reproductive and survival goals.
So for the ones that I think are mostly cross-cultural, you have examples like: women are physically weaker and men are physically stronger (true, cross-culturally, even though it's not 100% true in every case; it's a generally-true stereotype). Women are short and men are tall. Women are 'nurturing' (of babies in particular) while men are 'stoic' (aka, brood parasites less concerned with the well-being of their children than they are with their own). Women are sexually selective while men are sexually indiscriminate. Women are cooperative while men are violent. Women have curvy and soft bodies while men have rectangular and leaner bodies. All these things have biological underpinnings and these stereotypes don't vary from culture to culture because they're based in biological reality even if they're expressed with slightly different words depending on culture.
Then there's the culturally bound sex stereotypes and these are the ones I (and many radfems I think) would argue serve the purpose of subjugating the female sex to advance the purposes of the male sex. These things can be entirely arbitrary at times (like women like pink, men like blue) but the arbitrary ones basically just serve the general purpose of constraining and demarcating the two sexes so they stay in their respective lanes and are more recognizable as separate groups. The vast majority of culturally-bound sex stereotypes are not arbitrary though and consist of assigning things to women that weaken, humiliate or constrain them, like 'women shave their whole bodies and men don't' or 'women spend hundreds/thousands of dollars per year painting their faces and nails with makeup and skincare and cosmetic products while men just exist in their natural form.' Regardless of specific culture you can find things like high heels for women in most sophisticated agrarian cultures, i.e., presentation standards that physically constrain and hobble women for men's enjoyment. In ancient China you had footbinding, in modern fundamentalist Islam you have burqa/niqab, in Victorian Europe/America you had corsetry and bustles/hoop skirts, etc. Sometimes there will be slightly constraining male equivalents too but these mostly function to signal class, like those funny rectangular metal belts and weird hats imperial court members wore in ancient China. Even if upper class men had a gendered standard that was inconvenient and constraining, upper class women would have one that was worse. None of this shit is rational or 'intrinsic' to being male or female, but what it all has in common is that it signifies and re-entrenches male dominance over the females of the society, in effect physically hobbling women and making them more exhausted and physically limited than males as well as making women spend a huge portion of their finances on 'beautification' compared to males.
Then when it comes to behavioral stereotypes like hobbies/interests, it's the same thing. In societies where most women are doctors, being a doctor is relatively low-paid and considered of low social status. There are some careers in free societies which naturally attract more women due to women's natural biological differences (like childcare) but for the most part women are funnelled into low-status careers because males know it puts women at a social and economic disadvantage, and whenever a typically 'female' career becomes in-demand and lucrative, it is fashioned into a 'male' career, like programming. Hobbies that would give women the ability to physically defend themselves from males, like swordfighting or shooting guns, are naturally 'male coded' and cannot be allowed to become 'female coded' or feminine. Neutral things like being 'sensitive and emotional' will be viewed as feminine or masculine depending on whether they are highly valued by the specific society at the specific time - in societies where sensitivity and creativity were valued, they were considered 'naturally male traits' while in societies where 'rationality and stoicism' are valued, they are considered 'naturally male traits.' The specific stereotypes can and will change depending on what is considered more advantageous at any given time - whatever it is, it will become stereotypically male. You can even see this right now with biology and medicine - as the biosciences and medicine are increasingly taken over by women, there's an increased push to view them as the 'lesser' of the sciences compared to Physics, Math, Chemistry which for the most part are still done overwhelmingly by males. Programmers now often make more than doctors, and the doctors in typically male specializations like plastic surgery make more than the ones in typically female specializations like obgyn or general practice.
>specific traits that define what femininity and masculinity is within a specific cultureis a circular and tautological definition which is why everyone who makes use of this definition (like Judith Butler) ends up talking in circles and making no sense. They're basically saying 'gender (which is kinda like sex but not exactly) is just the thing that is related to sex distinctions, but not exactly.' You point out males can't menstruate and they say 'because this male feels so much like a woman, she is actually female, and technically can menstruate, even if no ovulation or uterus or bleeding is involved!' Then when you ask, 'so surely you know what female is, it's the sex that actually menstruates for real?' they say 'no, female is the person that feels like the gender of female, and by virtue of feeling like the gender of female, their diarrhea is menstruation, actually.'
Radfems always get caught up in these stupid arguments about the differences between 'femaleness' and 'femininity' or whether women would really be oppressed if we took away all the oppressive gender roles because many of them, despite knowing better, still refuse to acknowledge that females are oppressed due to being female, and femininity will always exist as a social construct in order to oppress females. Radfems frequently argue breathlessly, 'if we let males dress up in feminine clothes devised to subjugate us, but they actually know they're male and they're just dressing feminine, then eventually we'll have a society free from the idea of femininity!' not realizing that the entire reason degenerate low-status males dress up in 'feminine clothes' is because they consider them feminine. They're still respected more than women because they're male. If we managed to convince all males to dress in the way we currently consider 'feminine,' they'd just impose even more restrictive clothing standards upon females to compensate.
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i'm in a groupchat full of nerds and the topic of trannyism got brought up. i sent a couple of funny-looking trannies and made some light-hearted jokes about dangerous hrt side effects (osteoporosis, thrombosis) and one of them asked me if i was a terf, told me to shut up, said i should help trannies instead of criticizing them and left.
none of the edgy rape/pedo/nazi jokes others made before got him like my friendly banter. why are men like this
No. 2484664
>>2484608in my experience even some chasers laugh at tranny jokes (especially when directed at greasy agps instead of surgerymaxxed hsts) because they know trannies are men and want to fuck them
because they are men
No. 2484687
>>2483941This is a really good point and I agree 100%. Catholics never tried to reframe pedophilia as A Good Thing, Actually. They enabled it by covering it up and moving the perpetrators around but I’ve never heard of a member of the clergy publicly declaring that altar boys are kinky or that they wish they had themselves been molested as a child. Meanwhile high profile TIMs say shit like this openly and are celebrated for it, win prizes, are invited to the Oscars. Like you said, breaking down children’s boundaries and exposing them to sexual content are practically tenets of genderism. Grooming children and alienating them from their families is the genderist equivalent of saving their souls. Everyone knew that what predatory priests were doing was bad (or at least bad optics), which is why it was covered up, but for genderists “assisting a child in their gender/sexual awakening” is a virtue and something to strive for.
>>2484596I’ve known so many men like this. Haha rape, haha racism, haha pedophilia, haha the holocaust but make fun of a pervert in a Miku wig and it’s EXCUSE YOU that’s offensive and you should have some empathy! They know there’s no significant difference between the perv in the wig and themselves so they feel personally attacked when you make fun of him, whereas all those other demographics they mock and celebrate violence against don’t really count as people to them.
No. 2484704
>>2484669yeah I haven't been there for months now because I was traumatized by the CP. It's crazy to me how pissing off troons is immediately hit with them being like "oh yeah!? You think trannies are porn addicted, degenerate pedos?" and then literally proving it.
Men really need to be banned from the internet.
No. 2484724
>>2484491It seems like your definitions of sex stereotypes and behavioral stereotypes seem to align with my definition of what gender is. And I do think that abolishing sex stereotypes and behavioral stereotypes which are not rooted in any real patterns found among the sexes is important in order to focus on the key idea of sex based oppression. Gender having no real social utility and only confuses people is a key component as to why it should be abolished, or at least lose its over-importance. Gender is ultimately a tool which a lot of gendies use to justify entering womens bathrooms and its acceptance by the public only distracts from real sex-based oppression. I don't think gender is the final tool of oppression against women, but I do find it as a tool of oppression, that is harmful due to it's distracting nature.
>Radfems always get caught up in these stupid arguments about the differences between 'femaleness' and 'femininity' or whether women would really be oppressed if we took away all the oppressive gender roles because many of them, despite knowing better, still refuse to acknowledge that females are oppressed due to being female, and femininity will always exist as a social construct in order to oppress females. However I feel like there is a misunderstanding as radfems (in my experience) want to dismantle gender as it is a distraction from real sex-based oppression. By realizing that they are cultural, and not based in objective reality (like the stereotype of women being “emotional” because of their sex) there is a higher incentive to dismantle these stereotypes in order to focus on the real issues. Recognizing the patterns and stereotypes pushed onto women will hopefully prevent future stereotypes from happening in the future, as gender (or these stereotypes) is constantly transforming in order to oppress women due to their sex.
>Radfems frequently argue breathlessly, 'if we let males dress up in feminine clothes devised to subjugate us, but they actually know they're male and they're just dressing feminine, then eventually we'll have a society free from the idea of femininity!' I have never seen this argument in the radfem spaces I was in, sorry.
>programmers now often make more than doctorsGod I wish that were true.
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A tranny got killed by a scrote in Latin America yet the retards are busy harassing “TERFs”. I’ll never take them seriously. And by the way femicide is a rampant problem in Latin America, but a single tranny gets killed and it’s the biggest tragedy in the world kek.
No. 2484735
>>2484608This is literally the
only scenario of why a man would defend trannies. Porn addiction.
>Thinks of trans OF models and thinks all trannies naturally look like that, & Views trannies as “women but they cant get pregnant = instant scrote boner”or
>Also has repressed autogynephilia, And also thinks that if one day he injects himself with the “magical” estrogen needles is going to instantly make him a bimbo and save him from his curse of being ugly, just like other trannies. Except for right now, He isnt acting on it. No. 2484737
>>2484733troons are full of shit everywhere "oh no! a moid died!" so what? troons in my thirdie country also cry about femicide
this was after a woman was beheaded for saying no to a marriage having a law and statistics but not "troonicide" (because you faggots kill eachother yourself kek)
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No. 2484764
>>2484743>not yet available to the general publicImplying it’s available to anyone at all.
>inducing an ectopic pregnancyAh yes, that condition known for resulting in totally healthy babies that definitely doesn’t have the capability to kill the women afflicted by it. They managed to come up with something even less feasible than uterus transplants in males.
Mpreg is a fetish. Can we please go back to publicly shaming people who inflict their fetish on nonconsenting audiences?
No. 2484775
>>2484738That's obviously the tranny that got killed.
>>2484596In the thumbnail it looks like she's admiring her gainz kek
But the "femcel" shit is tryhard and reeks of being made by a scrote or terminally online girl who calls herself "femcel" and just recently started to quit being a pickme. Sorry. No. 2484896
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>>2484733JKR is solely responsible for the transgenocide nonnas. I bet you, men could go on a rampage and kill 20.000 trannies and they would still blame JKR.
No. 2484933
>>2484896if JKR was solely responsible for a "trans genocide" she would have exterminated them with
TERF girlboss laser eyes. unfortunately she is thoughtful and kind.
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I kind of feel bad for reddit trannies because its the only place in the world where other delusional people make them feel “accepted” for a few minutes. Imagine if this scrote posted this on twitter, he would instantly 41% at the replies. I just wish theyd stay on reddit and not go outside so nobody would have to be cursed with their hideous, fiendish hon appearance.
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New article with detailed info about some of the suspects of the TIF Sam Nordquist murder case, mainly about Precious Arzuaga. Idk how accurate this news website is but it's a good read.
https://archive.ph/jLuVP No. 2485092
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I've never seen a radfem insinuate TIFs are dangerous? Has anyone ever said that?
No. 2485113
>>2485092Who is the paul atreides for troons? Trannies seem to think JK rowling invented and revolutionized TERFism, but i cant pin point one poster-child tranny who has enough relevance, talent or self confidence to do what JK rowling does.
Maybe dylan mulvany? But then again, hes not really a public figure who does anything other than make tiktoks for other AGPs. JK rowling is a household name, but he isnt.
No. 2485126
>>2484724I don't think our views really align based on this nonna, because the point of sex stereotypes is they can't be "abolished." Stereotypes are as baked-in to human behavior and survival as breathing. The best women can do is try not to participate and cave in to the ones that moids try to enforce on us (like beauty rituals, etc) but you'll never get all women to do that and you also can't get rid of the biologically-linked sex stereotypes no matter how hard you try. You won't force men to stop defining stereotypical 'masculinity' in opposition to female-typical behavior. It just simply isn't something that can be abolished. Also just because something is cultural doesn't mean it's not 'rooted in real patterns found in the sexes.' It's rooted in the ubiquitous pattern of males trying to reproductively and socially control women, which they will not stop doing.
>Gender having no real social utility and only confuses people is a key component as to why it should be abolishedNo, I mean the CONCEPT of gender, the word "gender," has no real social utility. Sex stereotypes is a better word because it's more accurate, and it thoroughly links 'gendered' traits to sex like we all should. 'Gender' is about sex, plain and simple, and we'd be better off if everyone admitted it. Gendies couldn't use the tool of 'gender' to justify entering women's bathrooms if we didn't invent this word and pretend it means something unrelated to the two sexes.
>By realizing that they are cultural, and not based in objective reality (like the stereotype of women being “emotional” because of their sex) there is a higher incentive to dismantle these stereotypes in order to focus on the real issues. The real issue is that moids oppress females, and making up stereotypes like "women are more emotional" is one of the main ways they do that. It's not a distraction at all. It also can't be dismantled. Women don't control male behavior, we can't 'dismantle' male actions.
>I have never seen this argument in the radfem spaces I was in, sorry. It was in the sidebar/FAQ of r/GC, the biggest radfem space that ever existed on the internet. Before they delete the website you can go on Ovarit and see how many women say it there. You can read any second wave radfem literature and see that people like Dworkin etc. basically openly promoted this view. You can even see it further up on this thread or on other threads on lolcow, even though lolcow anons aren't really radfem for the most part.
>God I wish that were true.It is. Every single male programmer I know makes more than my two high school bffs who are both doctors. Not residents, one owns a private practice and the other is an attending at a major hospital. My best friend's boyfriend earns over 500k USD as a programmer with a bachelor's degree.
No. 2485160
>>2485092No one on this green Earth has ever been afraid of TiFs kek. Most TiFs can barely stand to pick up the phone and make their own dentist appointments. Either she literally just made up a fictional person to be mad on, or the person who said this to her was some kind of weird trans-inclusive "misandrist" libfem and not actually a
TERF.
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>>2484596>>2484687>Haha rape, haha racism, haha pedophilia, haha the holocaust but make fun of a pervert in a Miku wig and it’s EXCUSE YOU that’s offensive and you should have some empathy!Genuinely I cannot find any explanation for this besides straight white men getting mad the second you criticize other straight white men. They don't even defend fags, trannies are literally their only sacred cow. You'd think the answer would be "men protect their own," but they
don't. The only time men give a fuck about each other is when it gives them an excuse to attack women. Otherwise, it's every man for himself (literally). They watch each other die deaths of despair and do fuckall, but they flip the fuck out the second a woman online says that males commit 98% of sex crimes and shouldn't be allowed in women's prisons.
No. 2485175
>>2484725Jesus christ anon that's horrifying. I assumed bluesky would be dumb because everyone just moved to it because they were so mad people like Megan Murphy and Jordan Peterson or whatever weren't being censored to hell and back on xitter anymore for not using preferred pronouns, but putting tranny porn on the discover page is worse than I thought.
>>2484735Yep exactly. If any of you nonnas ever have a boyfriend or male friend who defends troons, run for your life. Normie males are the easiest people in the world to be openly terfy around because 100% of them that aren't 'eggs' or GAMPs naturally despise TIMs and will be relieved you agree. They only pretend to be 'sensitive' to troons for their jobs or to impress women so they'll drop the act around you instantly unless they're personally invested in AGPs somehow.
>>2484742Yeah they do but normal moids see them as contemptible, embarrassing men who give them secondhand embarrassment. It's like how no one likes the schizo homeless man who runs around covered in piss shouting about the apocalypse and throwing trash at passers-by, even if they have male solidarity.
>>2484948It's actually pushed even harder in some other countries, like Canada, the UK, etc. The US actually still has some pushback and protections for women (although they're barely hanging on), some other countries are definitely worse.
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IDK if any of you were following the story of the female fencer who took the knee and was thrown out of a national competition because they matched her up against a male troon, but I found this reduxx article about the troon in question and the amazing thing was that for multiple years, he was on men's and women's sports teams simultaneously (picrel). He was winning female shotput and disqus competitions in high school while fencing on the men's team and he continued fencing on the men's team in college lmao. How does anyone take these wastes of space seriously?
Source:
https://reduxx.info/exclusive-wagner-college-allows-male-to-transfer-to-female-fencing-team-win-gold-at-womens-junior-olympic-qualifiers/ No. 2485180
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>>2485167This one is really simple actually. They
need women to support troons bc they jerk off to troons or have sex with them and don't want it to be seen as automatically gay and degenerate, like it used to be. If women support troons and the idea that they're women, the males who have sex with them can proceed with life as if they are straight
No. 2485227
>>2485113Dylan simply does not have the money nor the staying power Rowling has.
Rowling has been a household name for almost 30 years. She will be a household name in another 30. Normies will still love Harry Potter long after she dies, like how people love Beatrix Potter and Peter Rabbit.
Dylan was a literal who 3 years ago. He's already fading into obscurity and in another 3 we will be like "Oh yeah that guy" before forgetting about him again.
In 10 most of us won't even remember who he is.
Trooning at a time where it is in vouge to do so in conjunction his parents money/Hollywood connections was the only card he has and no of gives a fuck about it.
By the time he acks, we won't care enough to find it milky unless he does it before 2030.
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>>2485312Apparently one of the things he said to her while she was kneeling was that he has someone 'on his side' (a higher up of the organization) which is true, there's a 66 year old moid competing with women in the upper age division of fencing who is also on the committee that decides referees and the committee that decides the rules overall I think so he's heavily involved in running all the tournaments nationally. This fucker who was on women's and men's sports teams at once was bragging to Turner (woman who took the knee) that she wasn't gong to accomplish shit because troons were higher-ups in the organization and would side with males over women. Disgusting. Picrel is the 66yo troon that decides the referees and regulations and also fences against women in tournaments.
No. 2485324
>>2485301I guess there's the guys who made the matrix. Even though only the first matrix was good and that was before they trooned out and they haven't made anything even 1/10th as good since.
Also they are disgusting coomers.
No. 2485363
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>>2485337>>2485344>>2485345Guess I forget that men are subhuman and dont have proper senses of morality and empathy like we do. Wow, thats disturbing…
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>>2485362Lol so you probably missed all the orgy scenes that were shoehorned in for no reason. The fact they could sense each other at long distances was used as a pretext to have constant 'imagined' 8-person orgies basically and the troon was always treated like the hottest and most desirable woman in the entire show lmfao. I still remember when they introduced the troon 'lesbian' character it was with some dildo/strap-on graphically thrown on the floor by his 'lesbian' gf (because he totally doesn't use his girl penis guys! he's submissive!) and the next scene with them is them telling off some evil TERFs minding their own business at a pride parade or something.
>>2485363Troons are much worse than normal moids so whatever lack of morality and empathy you experience from regular men, it's probably 10x worse in troons.
No. 2485431
>>2485180Imo it’s a bit more nuanced than that. Even if they personally aren’t into trans porn, men get VERY upset at the idea of women limiting male sexuality in any way. The edgy Reddit bros I know who were openly homophobic and joked about the Pulse gay club shooting absolutely flipped their shit when a woman we know suggested that, if monkey pox disproportionally affects gay men and is spread through sexual contact, maybe it would be smart to close the gay bathhouses until the outbreak was under control. Like how dare this Karen suggest that men stop having unprotected group sex with strangers for a couple of months? These were guys who supported the gay panic defence for gay bashings that result in death, so I don’t think they were secretly on the dl. They didn’t want gay man dick anywhere near them. But a WOMAN suggesting that men, any men, maybe shouldn’t stick their dick wherever they want whenever they want to? That’s anathema to all men. Transgenderism is, at its core, a male sexual rights movement.
I don’t think most men really care very much for other men as individuals, so if their own beliefs or actions harm other individual men then well, whatever, sucks to be him. But I do think they have a strong sense of (sex) class consciousness and care about keeping the door open for themselves. If women gain the social and political power to put restrictions on male sexuality in any capacity that might personally affect all men down the line, even if they have no interest in strutting around in a miniskirt themselves. Troons are useful to other men because they dismantle women’s and children’s boundaries and safeguards. One concrete example is that with self ID, non-troon men can now walk into any women’s changing room or bathroom and install hidden cameras. When called out on it they’d have to pretend to have a gender identity but that doesn’t have to be true. All perverts benefit from the dismantling of safeguarding wrought by gender ideology, so of course they’ll support it.
No. 2485437
>>2485431This is not my experience. In my experience average men hate TIMs a lot more than average women do (probably no one hates TIMs more than women who have had personal experience with how degen they are, but I'm not talking about 'peaked' women here just normies). The type of men who get upset about women limiting male sexuality are extreme coomers themselves, but most men feel put off and uncomfortable by extreme fetishism, especially in public, like what TIMs do. I think your mistake is using 'edgy reddit bros' as a yardstick when edgy reddit bros have an almost 100% percent likelihood of consuming some kind of troon porn or at least having troon friends.
>I do think they have a strong sense of (sex) class consciousness and care about keeping the door open for themselves.I agree with this but most moids see troons as hurting their cause and humiliating/degrading other males by proxy. Moids enforce 'femininity' on women because they see it as degrading, so they see it as ultra-degrading for other moids to try to perform femininity. In the real world everyone can observe that normie and/or conservative males are largely responsible for anti-troon politicking and anti-troon sentiment in general, much more so than women. Get outside the edgy internet-addict bubble and active peeping tom types, moids do not take kindly to other moids embarrassing them like this.
No. 2485721
>>2483383God yes, I hate when they pull out this bullshit excuse kek. I didn't experience whatever they claim is the average female childhood and I don't go around dressing like a little girl in public and bothering other people to "relive my lost childhood" because I'm not a pornsick autopedophilic moid. They basically get that idea of female childhoods from media and their porn and believe every little girl had sleepovers and pillow fights with her group of close girlfriends and that we're all super girly and cutesy and every girl's childhood was just sunshine and rainbows so that they've been robbed of that by being born male.
When in reality like you said lots of women don't even experience that at all, it's just a gender stereotype. They don't see women as full humans and don't know what life is actually like for a woman or a female child so all they have to go off of are these stereotypes to validate their LARP, which makes it all the more empty. And similarly, they'll only care about the experiences of a woman who doesn't fit into that mold if they find it validating by comparing themselves to you. "You didn't experience the generic girly childhood? Then you're just like me, a troon male who also didn't have one and went through a male childhood", when that's just not really how that works kek, because even women who didn't get any of those generic things associated with girls as children still went through life as a woman, not a man.
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>>2485167The only guy I know who does this is a chaser. Most other guys will be more open about disliking trannies than me… Somewhat unrelated but I think chasers might be partially faceblind, or they've consumed enough porn where the signifiers of womanhood (red lips, long hair, dress, or in niche cases goth) become pavlovian conditioned into =sexy which sexy=woman. The one im in a discord with posted this thinking it was real, didn't recognize they are obviously two different people (their noses aren't even the same length) and when I pointed that out he didn't believe me and said maybe surgery made their nose longer (you cant add fucking cartiledge to a nose to make it longer. Its a nose job not a miracle). It's like some men literally just see hair color or something .
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>>2485802Plastic surgeons have started using rib cartilage to rebuild bad nose jobs on women in LA but otherwise that's kind of depressing and alienating to experience, on top of being annoying. It's sort of like a shitty version of black mirror, where the characters are too dumb to be relatable or believable and all the episodes are variations of the virtual reality bros-who-bang episode
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>>2485802Moids are supposed to be the "logical" sex, yet they turn into picrel the moment they see shit like that
No. 2486065
>>2485802A few months ago I posted a few of these blatant troon timeline fakes of uggo men and actual women. Stealing their photos to do this fantasy transition shit. It's disturbing AF.
Some nonna posted that it was a psy op from 4chan that were flooding troon spaces with fake before and after to make troons ruin themselves and rope but I'm not sure. I think it might be that and some weird LARP Fetish shit. Because the amount of fetish photo caps men do is enormous on reddit.
No. 2486087
>>2485951If she is a woman, I hope she gets better soon before she causes herself permanent harm.
If "she" is a moid, I hope you never encounter the depths of depravity which led him to this choice.
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https://archive.is/DRrPBWatch as TIMs and their handmaidens find a way to call this shit "trans genocide"
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>>2486065I think it’s both. There’s an old screencap from 4chan of someone claiming to post pics of real women on trans subs. But there was also that Alabama mayor from a year ago who posted a bunch of fetish content with images of people he knew irl, including stuff about forcing kids to transition.
No. 2486211
>>2486194Yeah they always pull this shit and then go do their crybully act to the media about how they're scared for their lives and the most oppressed ever when they weren't allowed to stab at a
terf in a sports competition or when a spa had a single 'female only nudity' night per month. Entire DEI departments at universities and corporate jobs are there basically solely to attack anyone who doesn't protect their delusions hard enough but then they whine about 'workplace discrimination' and how they're all literally getting murdered when they try to rape some moid by deception and get beat up.
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I was curious about where the term
TERF came from (because anyone who's read a bit of radfem text would know the term is redundant and useless and makes no sense) and surprise, surprise, it was a random handmaiden with a blog in 2008
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/29/im-credited-with-having-coined-the-acronym-terf-heres-how-it-happened
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>>2484743why are zoomers so obsessed with men getting pregnant? it's almost always TRA types too kek. like i'd assume it's because men can't get pregnant and the visual is absurd (or they are women with an mpreg fetish) but if you said only women get pregnant they would seethe.
also side note i've seen a lot of troons in fandom spaces get mad at mpreg fetishists because it's always cis men and not them, picrel.
>it's legitimately so fucking annoying seeing normies talk about mpreg like its impossible because it is impossible
No. 2486248
>>2486213Yeah of course it was some stupid handmaiden. Lol that she's proud of herself for coming up with a slur that's now used to promise violence against women all over the world though, very good of her to do that for us.
>>2486234Zoomers are probably obsessed with it because of mpreg fetishism or a naive obsession with sci-fi technocratic solutions to problems and this naive middle schooler idea that humans can be changed with CRISPR or babies can be grown in vats or the AI are going to replace all thinking jobs or whatever, basically biology denialism is very trendy among young people because 'tech cool!'
But for moids specifically I think it's basically just womb envy and anger that there is a thing only women can do that men can never, ever come close to doing. It ruins their fantasy that they are just like women in every way but better. Men hate being told 'no' by women and that even extends to being told 'no, factually speaking, you can't have a baby.'
No. 2486327
>>2485126(1/2)
Just as you have taken the time to thoroughly dissect my words and respond through long-winded explanations, I will do the same for you. I’m very grateful you took the time out of your day to give my response that much thinking as I realized our conversation is frankly one sided. Sorry for responding a bit late, I was busy working.
>I don't think our views really align based on this nonna, because the point of sex stereotypes is they can't be "abolished." Stereotypes are as baked-in to human behavior and survival as breathing.Our views don’t need to align, our views are similar, not aligned. Similar in a sense that we understand the reality of sex-based oppression and the harm of societal expectations and stereotypes, however unaligned due to the fundamental disagreement on our belief of humanity’s ability to change.
> The best women can do is try not to participate and cave in to the ones that moids try to enforce on us (like beauty rituals, etc) but you'll never get all women to do that and you also can't get rid of the biologically-linked sex stereotypes no matter how hard you try. The biologically-linked sex stereotypes you have mentioned, such as women being less strong than men are true, and there is no point in denying your stance as it is something I agree with. However, I believe capacity for change can occur, albeit slowly. While there are older stereotypes that have prevailed, other stereotypes against women have fallen more into obscurity, such as female sexuality being seen as much more esoteric and linked to mental illness than it is today.
>You won't force men to stop defining stereotypical 'masculinity' in opposition to female-typical behavior. It just simply isn't something that can be abolished. Also just because something is cultural doesn't mean it's not 'rooted in real patterns found in the sexes.' It's rooted in the ubiquitous pattern of males trying to reproductively and socially control women, which they will not stop doing.Which is a compelling point! As one stereotype falls in obscurity, more stereotypes are created to take its place. However, being aware of this pattern does shine light on how it is used to oppress women, and does take away a large amount of its personal power when fully acknowledged and revealed. In a sense that it does not dismantle the specific stereotype within the culture, but can be taught of its falsehood to future generations who now understand its fundamental falsehood and can be stronger in responding to the idea of stereotypes. Sex stereotypes that especially pertain to “masculinity” being an opposition to the culturally identified female-typical behavior are usually popular among the youth or the immature. Through either maturity, experience, or education, it’s incredibly easy to understand that these stereotypes are nothing more than false patterns that can be dismantled through exposure. Highlighting this concept early, through cultural change or understanding would do a lot for consciousness of sex-based oppression and how it manifests. You can disagree with me on this, however throughout the conversation similarly to Butler, you have provided no real substantial change or action that can be followed in your stance. Only a sense of cynical personal acknowledgement that does nothing to the greater system. Even if one does sees my stance as naive or unrealistic, more change has been done with even worse ideas.
>No, I mean the CONCEPT of gender, the word "gender," has no real social utility. Sex stereotypes is a better word because it's more accurate, and it thoroughly links 'gendered' traits to sex like we all should. 'Gender' is about sex, plain and simple, and we'd be better off if everyone admitted it. Gendies couldn't use the tool of 'gender' to justify entering women's bathrooms if we didn't invent this word and pretend it means something unrelated to the two sexes.The word gender having no real social utility despite having real social influence is another disagreement in which we are unaligned. Sex stereotypes is a better word, despite it being synonymous with many colloquial ideas of the word gender. Even if we all should use it, there is use in utilizing the more common understanding that is more easily assumed by using gender than re-explaining a concept that is more precise albeit unfamiliar. You could try to incite change, or you could also follow your own personal philosophy akin to Butler of being aware of this truth and having a cynical personal acknowledgement without any substantial action to take. Even if gender is about sex, there is no denying that many do not see it that way, many people who have adopted the cultural idea of gender being separated from sex founded by Butler’s writings and her inspirations do acknowledge its difference– its connection but not its relation. Gendies would not be able to use the word if it didn’t exist, which gives it more of a reason to dismantle it. The sex stereotypes that tims use to justify biological males entering a women’s restroom, as the female sex is no longer just the female sex, as the person (in the gendie view) can transform themselves into acting as sex based stereotypes of how men should act in their society. But god, these stereotypes ultimately can’t be dismantled. So there is no point in pointing this out anyways. Mfw there’s no hope for women!
>The real issue is that moids oppress females, and making up stereotypes like "women are more emotional" is one of the main ways they do that. It's not a distraction at all. It also can't be dismantled. Women don't control male behavior, we can't 'dismantle' male actionsI don’t deny that, in fact in my previous response I hope you could have inferred that these stereotypes are one of the ways that men oppress women. Which is actually a common radfem talking point that I’m sure you’re aware of. I define gender as a distraction because when women accept tims as genuine women due to their ability to adopt sex-based expectations and following sex-based stereotypes, it distracts from the real issues of women having oppression based on their biology, breaking down female class consciousness as the idea of a woman is no longer tied to biology. The real issue is that men oppress women, like you have said. Making stereotypes is one of the ways men oppress women, like you have said. However, I do find gender as a distraction due to my aforementioned statement. Women don’t control male behavior, there has been no mention where I have said that, and I’m sure you know, similarly to how you know that dismantling male actions is something that I have also not said. However, understanding among women that gender (sex stereotypes) is not real, it creates class consciousness among women as it focuses on this very issue, women are oppressed by men by being born as women. Gender is a distraction because it breaks down class consciousness, it makes biological women feel like trans women are real women, that their oppression is rooted in how they present themselves. However, this is not true, and trans women will continue reaping the benefits of being born biologically male, another point I’m sure we have similar ideas on.
> It was in the sidebar/FAQ of r/GC, the biggest radfem space that ever existed on the internet. Before they delete the website you can go on Ovarit and see how many women say it there. You can read any second wave radfem literature and see that people like Dworkin etc. basically openly promoted this view. Most of the arguments presented in this thread are featuring anons dunking on troons or troon news, most of the reasons why I go onto the lolcow gender crit thread is to dunk on troons, not read academic level arguments. I read Dworkin for her arguments against the sex trade and misogyny found between conservative and liberal men. I have never visited r/GC because I am not a redditor. I do not go on Ovarit because similarly, like lolcow, my experiences of the site simply post news articles of either pro or anti troon news or legislation in the west from when I was active there, due to a loss of interest, I stopped frequenting. One could argue why I still advocate for radfem talking points despite not being active in the online space, and I could mention a myriad of reasons why the initial online movement has become flanderized into the beast that is today; despite still holding close a lot of the initial ideas and concepts it has argued for. Posts that feature the mentioned ideas I have either forgotten or read over. Hopefully you read between the lines of my post and could pick up that it has been a while since I have been active on radfem spaces online. I wish you could provide examples, but that is okay if you don’t. I will take your word seriously, just as you have for mine.
No. 2486328
>>2486327>>2485126(2/2)
>Radfems frequently argue breathlessly, 'if we let males dress up in feminine clothes devised to subjugate us, but they actually know they're male and they're just dressing feminine, then eventually we'll have a society free from the idea of femininity!'I assume the argument you mention (by trying to strip it down to an actual argument and not a straw man fallacy) is a common radical feminist talking point of gender non conformity’s opportunity to highlight differences in sex, and to put greater focus on sex oppression rather than oppression based on cultural ideas of what women and men should present themselves as. To clarify my previous statement, the common radical feminist talking point I am assuming you have mentioned would be how a world without gender or without societal expectations of what men and women should act would put more focus on sex-based oppression. Due to the current ideas of people being oppressed due to their “gender” (TIMs claim oppression because they are not accepted as a biological female even though they put on a parody of a societal expectation, the gender that real women are expected to perform.)
>not realizing that the entire reason degenerate low-status males dress up in 'feminine clothes' is because they consider them feminine. They're still respected more than women because they're male. If we managed to convince all males to dress in the way we currently consider 'feminine,' they'd just impose even more restrictive clothing standards upon females to compensate.This is not what they (radfems) are advocating for (at least from my perspective and what I have seen in early radfem spaces), they are advocating for women to reject clothing that objectifies them, to reject makeup that is harmful, to reject plastic surgery, to reject the idea and accept the practice of not following beauty rituals that radfems believe take away women’s focus on their oppression and distract women with beauty standards created by male pedophiles. However, your argument is compelling. Acknowledging the large number of men practicing gender non conformity is rooted in misogynistic ideas, that ultimately does not change their social power. You also acknowledge that if a cultural push to make men wear more “feminine” clothing, women would be given a new set of beauty standards that still does not change their oppression by men. However, this is not what I have advocated for, or many radfems I have met have not advocated for. I have reiterated that by acknowledging this phenomena of gender (sex stereotypes) being a distraction that is used to oppress women, it gives class awareness of women’s sex-based oppression. There has been no advocacy for men to dress femininely. Being aware of stereotypes does not change the existence of them, but does give awareness and take away a large amount of its power. To give this awareness to a large group of women, that gender (sex stereotypes) is not real, it would give a substantial amount of power back to women who are now aware of their biological reality and the root of their oppression.
>It is. Every single male programmer I know makes more than my two high school bffs who are both doctors. Not residents, one owns a private practice and the other is an attending at a major hospital. My best friend's boyfriend earns over 500k USD as a programmer with a bachelor's degree.What job do they do? Are they seniors? Is it Ai? Is it in the government? Is it a high position in a corporation? I say this as every single programmer I know makes less, because I am a software developer and I work in programming. I wish the job is as nice as your 500k awesome best friend’s boyfriend who works as a programmer. Not saying I don’t believe you, just saying I wish you could list the niche so I can act accordingly. My coworkers make 70k a year, my seniors make 200k, and yes they just have bachelor's degrees. We do get paid less than the national average but that is because we work in a smaller company, knowing this pay is less compared to other companies in which the average worker (who has not been let go from the mass layoffs) does get paid a few thousand more. I assume your male programmer colleagues are working in a smaller niche within a major city, like senior cloud engineers, or a senior in AI. However, the average pay of all three, assuming that seniors get paid twice as much, would pale in comparison to the average senior cardiologist, surgeon, or radiologist. My sister, who is a doctor, makes 200k after 4 years of practice as a general pediatrician, note this is one of the lesser paying jobs within the doctor niche. Even though you have asserted an anecdotal perspective that does paint the job as lesser compared to computing, my anecdotal evidence is slightly more complicated. Either way, knowing that both are anecdotal it’s completely useless to powersperg this much over an apathetic joke I have made loosely referencing my own experiences. Reputable statistics websites that go over the average mean or median of job pay within these professions can back my experiences, not so much on your unique situation.
No. 2486355
>>2486327Idk if you were being sarcastic but I appreciate you taking the time to write this too anon, since I really did want to have a genuine conversation.
>fundamental disagreement on our belief of humanity’s ability to change.I'm not exactly arguing that humanity can't change, I think my major disagreement is more about the extent to which certain things are changeable and what the best method is to achieve that change. Not necessarily even disagreement with you, but disagreement with a lot of the radical feminists I've spent the last decade hanging out with and engaging with. I used to agree with typical radfem thought more than I do now so I'm not saying this lightly, it's as a result of careful thought and engagement with the ideology. Re: humanity changing, I think there are two big mistakes that radfems and libfems alike tend to make - the first is the belief that people are basically born as blank slates and most male behavior is caused by 'nurture' or can be corrected purely with good upbringing/culture. I think the existence of Western cultures with fairly egalitarian sex laws shows that culture does play a huge part, but the fact that many moids in those cultures still stick up for each other being evil rape apes also shows the limitations of trying to 'raise men right' through social/cultural norms or good mothering. I think evolutionary strategies (like refusing to mate with subpar males) would actually be more effective than just 'raising males correctly' or society sending them the 'right' messages.
The second is the extent to which women can or should work with male-dominated political groups to enact the changes we want to see in society. I know some radfems are actually separatist (which I think doesn't really work) but a lot of the modern radfems I've interacted with focus on aligning with men on one side of the political aisle (usually leftist moids) to try to achieve gains for women. This sometimes works (like with changing laws to make them more meritocratic and egalitarian, which usually helps women), but it also causes splits and infights within disparate groups of women along political lines. I think focusing on convincing other women to be 'casually' female-aligned the same way moids tend to be 'casually' male-aligned, rather than trying to work with the 'correct' men, will led to more female emancipation. The later point about 'what if we let men be as feminine as they wanted' is one of the worst instances of this because moids rarely if ever do 'feminine' shit out of a lack of obsession with gender; it's actually because of how much moids love enforcing sex stereotypes that they also sometimes love 'playing' with them.
>Highlighting this concept early, through cultural change or understanding would do a lot for consciousness of sex-based oppression and how it manifests.I completely agree with this, and I think it's part of why some countries do better on women's rights than others (because when allowed to 'buck' stereotypes women prove they're false). The substantial change or action I offered on this point is that rather than lionizing the concept of 'gender' (as some sort of similar but unrelated parallel structure to sex that can exist on its own merits) we should mock the idea that 'gender' exists and start referring to it as 'sex stereotypes' instead to better highlight what it actually is and how it's used to oppress us. You will have noticed that ever since this Butlerian idea of 'gender as distinct from sex' entered the common parlance, moids have been using it to walk back women's rights and muddy the waters in discussions about female oppression. I don't think pushing back against the word gender or concept of gender is 'a cynical personal acknowledgement' - I actually think that in practise it really helps peak women and it's necessary for laws protecting women to even functionally exist. As soon as 'gender/gender identity/SOGI' started to replace 'sex' in legislation, it gave moids the ability to enter women's spaces and hurt us and take away our opportunities. This isn't just some cynical moot point about semantics.
Take this extremely simplistic example: say I'm a teacher and my student says to me that interest/skill in math is 'gendered' and STEM is 'masculine.' A radfem saying 'that's true, math is male gendered, but abolish gender because gender isn't real!' is going to be a lot less convincing than simply saying 'it's a stereotype that being good at math is somehow male. It might be true that currently more men work in math fields, but you don't have to live your life conforming to stereotypes.' Abolish gender is an airy-fairy down-the-line slogan that alludes to a future most people can't imagine, while 'stop letting stereotypes about your sex limit you' is a concrete thing you can do today.
>there is use in utilizing the more common understanding that is more easily assumed by using gender than re-explaining a concept that is more precise albeit unfamiliarThe reason I disagree with this is that piggybacking off the common understanding of gender means we're playing on the TRA's playing field and we're letting them confuse the discussion. Anyone older than about 35 will remember when these things were called sex stereotypes already, and anyone younger will have been indoctrinated by the TRA idea of gender so talking to them about things on TRAs' doublespeak terms will just further confuse them and place the discussion firmly in the TRA corner. We'd have to try to fully redefine a concept they've already learned to make them think about it differently. There used to be a debate sub for GC and QT ideologues on reddit called 'the gray jumpsuit dystopia' because when people who believe that aesthetics, hobbies, talents, etc. are all part of 'gender' then they assume radfems asking for 'gender abolishment' are asking for a dystopia where everyone dresses the same, acts the same, and has the same hobbies. It's hard to win a semantic argument about a word that's already been fully captured to mean something specific and argue that it actually means something else than the way 90% of people use it.
>I do find gender as a distraction And to reiterate, in my opinion it's not really a distraction from feminist topics since using sex stereotypes to enact oppression is one of the main ways patriarchy is propagated. If we refuse to clearly name the problem then that's not, imo, avoiding distractions, it's actually just ignoring what we're up against.
>you know that dismantling male actions is something that I have also not saidNot explicitly, but when someone says 'abolish gender' what I hear is 'create a situation in which men stop stereotyping women (and themselves) in order to oppress us.' We can't abolish gender norms without men playing along, but men won't play along with women as they're the main beneficiaries of gender norms (and of the whole concept of gender generally). Sex stereotypes are real, they do concretely matter, even if they're arbitrary and should be resisted. I don't think ignoring their existence or imagining a utopia where they don't exist is as helpful as understanding reproductive antagonism between the sexes and teaching women why men do this and how to best work around it or resist it. At the end of the day moids do this shit to give themselves a leg up over women, two very obvious and distinct biological/social categories, so imo saying 'imagine a world without sex stereotypes/gender' doesn't really do anything to help move women's rights forward other than making women more likely to be complacent and play along with the lies of 'dysphoric' or 'feminine' males, because 'if we want to abolish gender we should let men do feminine things like traipse around in womanface and programmer socks.' I'm not just pulling this out of my ass either, it was a common talking point of many radfems including older ones I've personally talked to and many of them will actually die on this hill as long as the moid doesn't call himself female.
>most of the reasons why I go onto the lolcow gender crit thread is to dunk on troonsThat's fine but there's two /snow/ threads explicitly for that, while this thread is for general discussion, per the OP. Not that I think we should all be writing longposts like this back and forth but I think they are relevant.
>I have never visited r/GC because I am not a redditor.Neither am I but back when it existed (it was removed in 2020 by reddit admins) it was by far the biggest radfem forum on the internet, and I think most of the members didn't participate in other reddit subs and just found their way there by googling (that's how I ended up there). My point about r/GC is that you're claiming radfems never say 'we should let men be/dress feminine because that will help us and if you're against that you're working against us' but that was in fact the mainstream view on the biggest radfem forum on the internet, so much so that it ended up in the FAQ. You can't claim 'no radfem thinks this' when so many do. You can even read this lolcow thread to see that some women will argue we should clap for males in 'feminine' clothing because they're helping our cause.
No. 2486376
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>>2486328I'm not going to spend too much time (sorry) looking for evidence that many radical feminists believe we should support men dressing 'GNC' (aka feminine) because you can read this and previous iterations of this thread to see that some do, and google currently barely pulls up anything about radical feminism that isn't just anti-radfem screeds so it would take a long time, but here you can see an Ovarit thread for instance where OP says:
>We should change that- a GNC fashion sense should be the end goal.https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/93063/rebuilding-aesthetic-for-masculine-women-and-feminine-menThis and many other instances clearly exist of radical feminists claiming both men and women should aim to 'dress GNC' while ignoring that feminine fashions are a subjugation ploy by men of women for the most part, and there's no reason to believe that the natural result of people not feeling pressured would be some 'middle' where men dress in more sparkles and ruffles and heels to meet GNC women wearing pants and short hair in the middle. Not all radfems will argue this, obviously; some argue that however men dress is the 'default norm' we should all aspire to, which I tend to agree with somewhat more although still not completely, but there is a lot of pushback against this in radfem spaces too by people think that femininity and masculinity stereotypes are just 'oppressing everyone,' males and females equally.
I don't agree with you that it's a straw man fallacy and I don't really agree that the point of gender nonconformity in radical feminism is to 'highlight' sex differences; actually it's the opposite, see picrel from an article by a famous radical feminist:
https://fairerdisputations.org/feminism-transgenderism-lawford-smith/ On the contrary as I said many radfems argue that beyond physiology there is basically nothing different about men and women at all and that the end goal of radical feminist gender abolitionism would be to not even have separate spaces for men and women, because if we stopped the enculturation of men and women with 'gender norms' moids would not be any more dangerous to women than women are. This isn't a strawman, it's a well-established argument many radfems make and which I vehemently disagree with.
>What job do they do? Are they seniors? Is it Ai?They're pretty young people (all under 35) who at some point worked for MS/Amazon/Google/Meta, yes mostly in AI. The best friend's boyfriend I mentioned now works for a slightly smaller company but used to work for one of the big three, but he didn't have any particular amazing education or anything. Anyway my original claim was that many programmers make more than doctors, not that all of them do, so idk why you're acting like that's false just because some programmers make less than doctors. My point all along was that programming used to be a far less lucrative job, but as men took over in programming spaces and women started to outnumber men in med school, the dynamic is starting to shift to favor men, even men with far less education relatively.
No. 2486461
gotta tell you guys something. about two years ago i used to go to this small downtown gym, and there was this really crusty e girl wanna be troon there. he would always pick the machines next to me and talk to me, usually about my tattoos. and he would show me his tattoos (they were all anime tattoos or comic book style naked women pinups, including a heart that looked like a womens ass and vulva from the back, it was on his upper arm and he jokes that he could lick it). he was really creepy ofc and he would talk to me every time and i was just silently polite until he would leave. i would literally be like "oh ok.. cool" and would never take my head phones off. eventually i changed the time i would go to avoid him but he ran into me in the changing room on his way out and i kid you not he came up and talked to me fully naked, dick out at my eye level and wanted to show me a tattoo on his acne filled ass and theigh. i was in the end my LGBT activism days then, but that was enough to throw me overboard. having men talk/flirt to me at the gym is one thing but having them enter your space and expose themselves to you is another.
so it got worse. i was upset, shaking and got my street clothes back on and went to the front of the gym and told the staff there is a man in the womens change room. and the two women there look at each other and then at me, kind of almost glaring at me and said something along the lines of "we allow all women of all gender expressions in the change you, if you're uncomfortable with nudity we have a changing stall in the back of the womens lockeroom." i was shocked and just left and cancled my membership
anways, pass 2 years to a couple weeks ago. i told my friend (who is waking up slowly to all of this, but we still have TIFs in our friend group and TIMs in the wider group) about this since we were talking about that gym and she asked why i dont go anymore becaused i loved that gym. i told her the story and well she just said "i dont like seeing regular naked women, thats what happens in a gym tho." i just flat lined, did she really over look the fact that this man hit on me aggressivly and waited for the first time i was in the change room with him to expose himself to me? it reminds me of those horror stories were a women gets assualted by a troon and some fucking TRA is like HER PENIS, SHE ASSULTED U WITH HER PENIS. i couldnt even imagine the women who have to deal with that, it must be so fucking demoralizing. i know that i had/have friends who i wouldnt even bother telling because they would lecture me for it. imagine calling yourself progressive and then trying to tell me i need to use different language or be more accepting of someone who sexually harassed me. im waiting patiently for true womens only gym, i get constant anxiety even now when im in the change room of gyms
No. 2486464
>>2486461Equating old women to fucking males is so stupid. I also don’t get how they don’t see the cognitive dissonance, it’s scary.
A woman could be raped by a TIM but god forbid you don’t use she/her, disgusting people , all of them.
No. 2486481
>>2486455I think the '
terf bangs' was always a projection though, when they used to call them '
terf bangs' I still only saw gendies with them kek. Then the gendies started to grow out the bangs because they heard they were
terf-y but I never met a
terf with baby bangs in that era.
>>2486457To be fair I never heard a handmaiden philosophizing about how AFAB-only housing was bad, only male troons. Every libfem handmaiden I know likewise agrees that male socialization exists, they just think that if they coddled men enough men would stop raping and assaulting women.
>>2486461>talked to me fully naked, dick out at my eye level holy shit anon I probably legitimately would have screamed and run away.
>i told her the story and well she just said "i dont like seeing regular naked women, thats what happens in a gym tho."tbh if I were you I would stop talking to this handmaiden, that's a level of callousness I don't think you should ever accept from a 'friend.' I'm so sorry that even years later your female friends are gaslighting you about what happened to you, it was definitely sexual assault. If we weren't in the crazy society we're in a man exposing himself to you would be considered a flasher and you could call the cops and get him arrested/jailed for doing what he did to you, even from further away not literally sticking his dick in your face. The moid that did this to you 100% should have gotten arrested on the spot and fuck your "friend" for trying to gaslight you about it, what a handmaiden.
No. 2486499
>>2486486Nonna ntayrt and I'd probably chimp out if this happened to me too (even though in my country I'd be more likely to get arrested for it than the moid) but you can't underrate the extent to which slowly acclimating women to troonshit makes them actively terrified of speaking out. You're completely correct that " she probably has all her self-preservation senses disabled by handmaidenry" but even if you're not a handmaiden living in a society that validates troons like this makes women get used to freeze/fawn responding to these moids no matter how internally terfy and against it they are.
I can think of several situations in my personal life where I was already kinda peaked on troons and hated them where I was surprised by a troon in a close-proximity social situation and reacted in a stunned/freeze/awkward kind of way instead of lashing out, that I don't think I'd do anymore because I've deliberately trained myself not to but it took time. One time I was at a party with a bunch of libfem queerio friends and was casually chatting to some (entirely) male-presenting moid who introduced himself with a typical female name (think like Jane or Kat) that I didn't think much of but then I referred to him as 'he' to someone nearby and he freaked out and corrected me that his pronouns were 'she' and he's a woman. I was sitting on a couch next to him with like 20 other people in the room all staring at me so I ended up just being like 'oh sorry of course, I should have known, with a name like Jane…' or whatever and it took several hours after I left for the shock to wear off and to realize how fucked up it was. When this shit is pushed on you constantly and you know every other person in the room is likely to attack you it's easy to just go into a dissociated fugue state where you go 'yeah of course!!' instead of pushing back.
No. 2486506
>>2486495Tbf I think a lot of the people concerned about population contraction are more worried that wealthy high-tech societies with higher equality are producing way-below-replacement rate levels of children while third world countries with extremely woman-hating cultures and who are highly dependent on foreign aid are still ballooning in population, which is somewhat concerning especially from a feminist perspective. Especially since the two biggest countries in the world with by far the largest populations have a huge femicide problem and population imbalance. The anon you're responding to specifically just seems like a baiting troll but I get why some people are concerned about fertility rates and I think it could be legitimately concerning especially as the high level of care required by aging populations falls on people with lower social mobility and QoL than ever before, who will somehow be responsible for all those aging dying people as well as for propagating egalitarian liberal values as a perpetually shrinking demographic.
I don't think that has anything to do with the mpreg obsession though I think that's just fujos and scifi thinking. If people were actually concerned about women being less willing to get pregnant they'd want incubator babies not male pregnancy.
No. 2486580
>>2486506Worrying about that is kind of retarded though. Global fertility rates have been falling, even in woman-hating cultures. We're already seeing generations with an average of 2 children in Africa and muslim countries. It's great that even women in those countries aren't wrecking their health with 7+ babies. Honestly this kind of point just reads as "oh no the poors are having too many babies", middle-upper class people have been subjecting us to this rhetoric for centuries now and it's tired. End of derail
>>2486443Yup. It's disappointing because 9/10 it hides a deep belief that amounts to "you are rude for being selfish and this is unacceptable because you're a woman". There is no novel idea, it's the same old sexism
>>2486234MPREG is one of those rare areas where TiF and TiM sexuality converges. Everyone knows about MPREG TiFs but it's also a thing for AGPs
No. 2486815
>>2486653There was this one article on Wikipedia about this guy who raped and murdered his entire family before burning his house down, and because he trooned out 10 years after getting arrested the Wikipedia article changed it to "she raped and murdered her whole family."
The absolute fucking audacity
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No. 2487086
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>>2487041>I hate men so bad, I stopped being oneBad news..
No. 2487094
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Absolutely delusional
No. 2487102
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The comments and qrts on this make my head hurt. It's just trannies and their handmaidens being butthurt and acting like the parents were in the wrong for…Not wanting a teacher to call their child a troon name without their knowledge? Like what did they expect kek. Plus trying to equate this with a teacher using a fun nickname or something for a kid which just feels completely disingenous, a nickname based on your actual name and a "preferred" troon name aren't really the same thing.
No. 2487109
>>2487102I'm a teacher with a trans student and what the fuck else am I supposed to do when every other teacher and student also calls her by her gendie name? We can't win no matter what, damned if we do and if we don't.
If I play along, I'm encouraging it and if I don't I'm a bigot. Shame on you for condemning this woman for just doing what she thought would keep a good relationship with her student and keep her job. Have you ever even worked a job, anon?
No. 2487114
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>>2487108>>2487109I have a relative that does the same and I do feel bad for the teachers in this scenario if they're just doing it because they were told and not actually groomers. But the reaction to this just feels so retarded and that's why I posted it, they're acting like the parents are evil and that this shows "children are an oppressed class" solely because they shouldn't be trooning out kek. I don't think the solution was to fire the teacher but simultaneously it's fucked up that schools are doing this shit without parental consent.
No. 2487118
>>2487102Also, it's an impossible line to toe. Unless the teacher had been asked by the school more than once before not to call the gendie their snowflake name there was absolutely no reason for her to be fired esp when teachers are so hard to recruit.
I accidentally she/her'd an unambiguously female student once and it really upset her, most schools will ask teachers as a matter of policy to respect their students gender identity.
You're deplorable for coming on here to cheer on a teacher being fired for being comforting and warm towards her student, which is what a good teacher does.
No. 2487121
>>2487118I wasn't really cheering on the teacher being fired if you actually read my posts
>>2487114 , I just think the way troons are reacting to the parents's actions makes no sense, they act as if parents being concerned that their child is trooning out without their knowledge is somehow evil.
No. 2487134
>>2487123I wouldn't go as far as having to ask the parents every time what name they want their kid to be called or something, just make sure it's not a troon thing basically. Usually using these "preferred names" with troon shit comes along with the expectation of also treating them as the opposite sex or whatever other thing so it shouldn't be that hard to tell the difference.
>>2487127I agree for a nickname it's definitely extreme, but I think they're way different things so one shouldn't justify the other. Being concerned your kid is being called a troon name and a nickname should be seen as two totally different scenarios because the former can actually lead to harm while the latter is just a nickname.
>>2487129Yeah, it's pretty unfortunate.
No. 2487165
>>2487153I think it'd still be a problem especially if they're using pronouns (which usually come along with using their troon name) and doing all of that without the parents knowing about it. I already think it's bad when the parents know about it because I don't think troon names and pronouns should be taken seriously or used at all, so it feels even worse when they don't. I don't have kids but if I did I would definitely be concerned if I knew teachers were letting them call themselves a troon and enabling their delusions at school, even if it was only verbally. At the same time, I wouldn't really blame the teachers like I said in my other posts if they were just trying to be "kind" because of all the TRA brainwashing and fear of being fired due to transphobia (only to be fired anyways if they comply, ironic) because it's a lose-lose scenario like the other anon said. But it still makes sense to me that parents would be upset and complain about this happening.
Kinda reminds me also of this one story I saw at a school a while back where a child wanted to be called an it or some other shit like that and the qrts were flooded with troons insulting anyone who thought that's retarded and acting like it's opression if you don't enable the kid's retardation, just like they do when you don't want to treat them by their imaginary gender as adults. That said, you're right that it's still worse when they let them participate in sports and go to the dressing rooms that aren't of their sex because in that case it's also potentially harming other kids besides just the troon child.
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I used to watch the show and always wondered why they didn’t continue. This might be one of the reasons kek. Remember when being an AGP meant that you were predatory and dangerous? But now you get a pat on your head and get called a woman, how times have changed.
No. 2487209
>>2487181I agree they won't stop just because of that and that most of them just double down, but at least for the other things kids do to be "cool" and rebel against their parents I feel like on a societal level there's still this understanding that it's unhealthy, kids shouldn't be doing that, it's just a phase etc, and so on by the adults, even if they can't fully stop them from doing it or engaging in stupid behaviors. While with troonshit it feels more insidious because even the adults and medical establishments have been treating it like it's healthy, good , they won't change their mind, and have continued to enable it on a large scale.
So while I don't think you could get kids to necessarily stop being stupid by just telling them not to be it'd still be preferable that adults could have the same reaction to a child trooning out as they do to them doing some other similarly retarded and dangerous behavior instead of having to affirm their delusions. When a kid is smoking an adult will usually tell them to stop and they might not and just double down and do it even more when the adult isn't looking, but at least you're still allowed to point out that kids smoking is unhealthy in public and tell them not do that at school. The equivalent with troonshit would be to see a kid smoking and then tell them it's great that they're doing that, that you fully support them and light their cigarette for them. Especially when so much of troonshit revolves around the validation/affirmation they get from other people too, it literally can't function unless the people around them validate their delusions and call them what they want to be called.
No. 2487348
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Posting this here b/c I hate this fat fuck and I think it fits. I can’t believe that this isn’t a tif, no straight man would behave the way he does in all his videos. In another video, he says that he’s attracted to women the way “women are attracted to women”. If he’s a real man, he’s a spineless, disgusting beta bitch.
No. 2487360
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nitpick but i wish anti-troon content wasn't so…..exaggerated, i guess. most women myself included have never met an agp hulking lilith, agp hulking liliths are not the forefront of the troon movement for obvious reasons. commonly troons are just
>hsts gay guy who was already charismatic
>guy who's making an effort to (and nearly does) pass
genuinely just "normal" men but with that edge of believing they're a woman. i wish anti-troon content picked apart these types more by pinpointing their misogynistic or otherwise biologically inconsistent narratives versus attacking strawmen that don't commonly exist. does this make a bit of sense?
No. 2487363
>>2487347I got a better idea. Deport all the moids in all the countries to Antarctica and cut off supplies.
We can leave hot men with no known history or report of woman disrespect, but they will be designated to coal mines and breeding farms. Maybe in time we can have moids sold as companion animals. But the women who adopt them will need to take a lot of classes and be willing to surrender them for euthanasia the moment they act out of line.
Then again why the fuck would you need a wurstie as a companion animal?
No. 2487372
>>2487360You really think this? You must live in a paradise because I absolutely have met hundreds of hulking troon lilith types but I've never met
>hsts gay guy who was already charismatic And I've only met
>guy who's making an effort to (and nearly does) pass once. So no your post does not make a lot of sense to me since in my experience the overwhelming majority of TIMs are of the AGP type, and even the rare HSTS isn't usually 'charismatic' and doesn't usually pass. AGPs are objectively far more common than HSTS men and also there is no troon on the planet who is genuinely just a normal man.
No. 2487377
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>>2487363The problem with this theory is that all the essential jobs are done by men, women are all doing pic related all day
>inb4 seethe>inb4 ban(ai outside of containment) No. 2487383
>>2487376samefag but you're not going to grab their attention or get them to give radical feminism/gender criticism a chance if you present it with caricatures like
>>2487360. nothing against leasebound by the way
No. 2487391
>>2487376They're not "normal" but with some tiny caveat of thinking you can trans your gender, they are legitimately some of the most insane and mentally ill men you could possibly find. No moid who is even halfway normal troons out, troonism is typically the end stage of extreme, abnormal levels of fetishism and woman hatred. A lot of them are "former" neo-nazis, all of them are extreme misogynists, with the very rare exception of the one in 100 million 'child transitioner' GNC kid who was trooned by their parents in early childhood.
>the women who support troons and know troons aren't hanging with agphons. That's absolutely not true, they almost all are. There are very few HSTS and most HSTS don't hang out with women anyway. I don't know where you got this idea but it's just false. People don't question troons because they aren't allowed to, not because they seem so harmless and everyone loves them and only know cute sassy gay ones.
>samefag but you're not going to grab their attention or get them to give radical feminism/gender criticism a chance if you present it with caricatures like >>2487360.Sure you will because that describes most women's actual experiences with troons. Most women peak precisely because they see stuff like this and think 'oh yeah, that is true, and now that I think about it, it's not right.' Are you baiting right now?
No. 2487393
>>2487348I look at the horrors in the world today, and think of the horrors yet to come, and I just have no patience for this shit any more.
Who the fuck even cares atp? I'm just completely cynical about the motives of anyone still talking about trans or race or any of that identity shit any more. I think you're just talking about this to deflect from real issues, or grift off of it in some way.
No. 2487409
>>2487360Wtf… literally the only troons I've met have been all been that kind. I've never met a hst or a troon who was close to passing.
>>2487376 this is also insane, the troons I met were all through really handmaideny female friends I had. You're so far off from reality I'm tinfoiling if you're psy-opping
No. 2487422
>>2487409I gave those posts the benefit of the doubt but I think it might be baiters or a raid of some kind especially coinciding with obvious bait posts like these:
>>2487377>>2487393>>2487416Yeah I only knew one HSTS who semi-passed and I met him through a community/hobby that's like 80-90% male and he always acted jealous and resentful whenever me or other women were there, tried to hit on guys we were dating, etc. I've otherwise never even seen an HSTS voluntarily interact with women. They're like the extreme far end of gay men where they're not happy dating other gay men anymore, they want to compete with actual women for the straight moids so they tend to avoid women because they look obviously male in comparison and it ruins their chances.
No. 2487428
>>2487409I think it's a psyop too.
The internet is full of agps and these agps exist in real life, among people. They're on the news too.
No. 2487436
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I see a lot of comments from lurking troon subs about misandry towards men and tifs, but the way ayydens talk about women is so over the top in its dehumanization. I’ve rarely ever see posts from tims that are like this towards being male
No. 2487455
>>2487436You weren't kidding nonna, this is so insanely offensive and just sad. Their brains are completely fried. I wonder what has to happen to a girl to make her this misogynistic. But also these posts read like these girls are mentally challenged in some other way, like the idea that people don't think you're "really male" because you're literally female shouldn't be a hard one to grasp, even for troons.
>I've developed incorrectlyLmao what does she even mean? She knows she was female at conception right?
>Is there a man test to prove you are a man?How old are these girls? Are they joking?
No. 2487467
>>2487436At least she's taking the "I'm not a rape
victim!! I'm a human!!" route and not going the "pretty-doll doe-eyes edtwt coquette an-abuse-
victim-is-all-i'll-ever-be!!" route. Too bad she's going about it in a looney troon way though and not the martial arts way. The T is just gonna make her bones turn into dust. Trauma induced OCD actually makes people hyper focus and flashback daily at unexpected and inconvenient times so I understand why she's talking and acting like that but she needs help from a therapist who can actually ground her.
No. 2487474
>>2487461ntayrt, I kind of feel where you're coming from but I don't think leasebound is exactly what you would call conservative pandering. It's a comic about lesbians.
I know these days conservatard news stations are giving platforms to disgruntled women who have been fucked over because troons entered their sports arenas, which I agree is frustrating. I'd love for them to get an actual
TERF to call them out and remind fox news that they are just trying to mislead baby radfems and groom them into being private property tardwives and that real radical feminism is politically orphaned and atheistic by nature due to both major political parties in America and all major religions being inherently woman hating.
But before I go on a tangent, the comic isn't that. Conservatives hate lesbians and leasebound is a lesbian comic.
I think this comic is more of a commentary of what we see online when TIMs fish for compliments from their gendie handmaidens.
No. 2487475
>>2487360I actually agree but
>guy who's making an effort to (and nearly does) pass This is genuinely like the worst one out of all of them. Always a white guy who would be even more fervently right wing if he wasn't a literal effeminate faggot, pardon my french. I think these comics would be more interesting if they focused on interpersonal relationships and how troons privately abuse and manipulate women in person or in online spaces. Like yeah I've met the huge hulking autistic retard hons, but it's the guys who think their misogyny is inherently cured or morally correct that are the most dangerous.
>hsts gay guy who was already charismatic In my experience HSTS tend to be more violent. Obviously they're gay guys who are not into women but like regular gay men they usually have a gaggle of faghags to defend their right to be physically violent and openly violently misogynistic (often with fantasies with replacing "biocunts" or whatever). This is also of another case of
>he can't be misogynistic against biocunts! he's a twans wimmin!>trannies get killed a million times more than women!! who cares if she threatened you? No. 2487476
>>2487461Leasebound definitely isn't conservatard fear mongering, isn't it written by a lesbian artist? Anyway, most of what you'll see in public that's anti-troon is conservative because it's completely unacceptable to be anti-troon if you're on the left. Even if you're a leftist or centrist who has not liking troons as your one and only so-called conservative position, you will get called conservative/far right. So that's why almost everything you see against troons is conservative, it's pretty simple really. Try being a leftist and putting your face or name to something anti-troon you make. You might get the occasional anonymously-authored radfem art but there aren't that many radfems and most of them are (rightly) scared to put their shit out on the internet because they might lose their jobs, reputations, etc. if they were ever found out.
>Trump is all about "protecting women" at the moment using white women as a shield to back his own tradcon values.The trump EOs about troons had nothing to do with race and clearly were written by female staffers/aides since they used pretty explicitly radical feminist/GC feminist language. Just because you hate Trump doesn't mean you have to pretend the EO's weren't completely reasonable in their wording. There's nothing insidious about a couple EOs restoring female rights just because you don't like the politician who signed them along with like 100 other random things someone in his team put in front of him. Have the Democrats been 'protecting women' when they were in power the last 3 or so times? What's even the point in looking a gift horse in the mouth in a situation where the other 'side' completely refused to do anything for women at all despite repeated campaigning and begging? I'll say whoever wrote the EO that actually protects women cares a lot more about protecting women than all the people on Biden's team and Obama's team before that who were totally happy to write 'fuck women' EOs for them.
No. 2487479
>>2487467Frankly anon I would prefer edtwt coquette an-abuse-
victim-is-all-I'll-ever be rhetoric to this level of misogyny, at the end of the day it's just self pity and many young women (most of them I'd say) grow out of that brand of self pity after a few years. But leaning into this kind of hatred against yourself and other women is really scary and damaging long term not just to yourself but also to others, and I think women with this level of woman-hatred rarely grow out of it, they just turn into the worst type of male-pandering handmaidens (trad or libfem, doesn't really matter). These are the types of women who end up grooming children on behalf of males in their lives because they identify with the moids more than the girls/women. I'm hoping it's just a larp and she doesn't mean it but I'd be genuinely concerned if I was someone in this girl's personal life that she's calling other women rapemeat.
>>2487472Most people don't know honter and dylan irl, and also honter is an AGP. I thought you were talking about the troons people actually KNOW, not some random celebs people saw in a TV show once. Obviously the troons who get onto TV shows are most likely to be the one in a million semi-passing pitiable child transitioner variety but we all saw honter's diary scribblings anyway.
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I can't take the women are not having babies because of minimum jobs ragebait seriously. There is no good reason you can give men to convince them that you have agency or skills to remain employed. That's when men start sperging about a greater purpose and how a child is a trillion times more valuable than your expertise, please just fall for the psyop already. It only sounds """""plausible""""" when they say it to the woman getting exploited in a shitty retail job, but they'd say the same thing to a woman who's a cornerstone industry expert, so I don't care. I will continue being in love with my hobby and my work and deducting one or more children from being born every passing year and I will take up that cushy high skill job from the hypothetical tradhusband saving civilization
No. 2487481
>>2487436how would you even "prove" or have evidence of your gender according to their retarded ideology?
>breeder rapemeat bodyi'm done with feeling bad for TIFs like this. ironically her typing style, writing style, and thought patterns are very feminine.
No. 2487485
>>2487475I don't think it's likely the lesbian comic artist who writes leasebound has a lot of experience with deep personal relationships with AGP troons, nonna. If the type of women who do want to make comics they can but it's weird to criticize one of the only known female artists who is openly critical of troons for not making her comic enough to your taste. She's probably just mad they keep trying to invade lesbian spaces.
>>2487478I don't really get this argument. So the actual laws that are saving millions of women and girls a huge amount of grief are bad because they're 'marketed' badly and it would be better not to have the laws at all because … you don't like the marketing? I don't even know what you mean by the way they're marketed being an issue, most of what I've seen (admittedly not very much, I don't spend my daily life obsessively following everything Trump does but I've seen a fair few clips) is just him platforming women who have been affected by troons in their spaces like Peyton McNabb, Riley Gaines, Paula Scanlon, etc. I think that platforming and forefronting the voices of affected women is a pretty good way to market the EOs actually. Maybe you can be more specific though.
>>2487481You wouldn't nonna, these are like literally 75IQ retards who don't get how sex works I'm pretty sure. They literally mention 'brain scans' to prove they're male lmfao.
No. 2487494
>>2487485ntayrt but conservatives are fucking shit up for women. Lest I remind you about the overturning of roe v wade, the desire to get rid of no fault divorce, they are also seeking fucked up shit like getting rid of married womens ability to vote and they want to make women who get illegal abortions be punished with the death penalty.
Conservatives are NOT the friends of women. The left isn't better, there was a time the left offered a promise of womens lib but because of troon pandering they have also shown their true colors.
Radical feminism and womens liberation is politically orphaned. And can you really blame politics? They were made by men for men.
No. 2487501
>>2487494conservative
>wants to own women and strip women of their rights>wants free pussy>secretly approving of pederasty and pedophilialeftist
>wants the same thing as the conservative but wants to replace women too>also wants free pussy>openly approving of pederasty and pedophiliaThis shit is so fucking funny. And I'm supposed to believe troons either hsts or agp are supposed to be my allies when time and time again they never risk their necks for us "breeding persons". Male troons in particular need to shut up more considering they're in an uniquely advantageous situation of both being able to opt out of oppression and being able to opt into oppression. Hell, if women lost rights tomorrow I doubt they would even give a fuck. Nothing's changed for them, at most they'd need to give up the she/her and the hormones.
No. 2487521
>>2487494Moids fuck shit up for women all the time (conservative ones and liberal ones) but the one time some RW president actually does something good for a change and signs some feminist EO's does not seem like the time to start complaining about the laws being somehow secretly bad because of 'marketing'? You can't even explain what's bad about the marketing of the EOs, you're just accusing people of stuff they haven't done yet that has nothing to do with the EOs in question. Think about all the millions of women sitting around in countries where they could get arrested for using a wrong troon pronoun, could get their child taken away because they won't put the child on T, can get assaulted/groped in a bathroom or change room and can do literally nothing about it, can't even complain about moids taking their sports medals away or raping them in prisons or women's rape shelters and how you complaining about Trump's terfy EOs sounds to all those women. You can whine all you like about all the other stupid moidshit conservative moid politicians do but that is not one of the bad things they've done, it's one of the good things. And it's almost certainly a woman who made it happen. So stupid and ungrateful to whoever probably worked on drafting those EOs for a long time and whatever genius on Trump's team got him on board with at least this one major aspect of women's rights.
>Roe v WadeWasn't an executive decision and happened during Biden's presidency. The Democrats have been free to try to pass an abortion rights law like every other first world country has for decades now, considering they were in power many times in the past several decades. I'm sure they'll get on it any second now. Anyway it's literally not at all relevant to EOs about the meaning of the word 'woman/girl/female' that another branch of of government left an unrelated law about abortion up to the states during a different presidency.
No. 2487532
>>2487521>You can't even explain what's bad about the marketing of the EOsFirst, I wasn't the anon you were responding to. You are obsessed with using EO instead of executive order but you don't even know what ntayrt means?
Anyways, I will not defend conservatives just because leftists also suck. Conservatives were the ones blatantly mocking feminism just 10 years ago, and they haven't changed. Never forget that feminism is politically orphaned. It always has been and always will be. Just because the conservatives are giving some radfem talking points a platform doesn't mean they care about radfem causes. The reasons conservatives hate troons is not the same as why feminists hate troons.
The widespread peaking has nothing to do with conservatives, mind you. That shit has been happening among women slowly over the last handful of years. The empathy fatigue kicked in around 2022 when troon voices and demands started being heard.
Keep in mind, if the mainstream left peaks and realizes defending toonery just isn't worth it, then the right has absolutely nothing going for it when it comes to giving a shit about women. Never forget that. Without the tranny shit, the right has nothing appealing to women. They see us as nothing more than DEI filler.
No. 2487535
>>2487532Sorry I misread the ntayrt as ayrt because I was reading a high volume of posts quickly, my bad nonna.
You don't need to 'defend conservatives' to recognize that the EOs trump passed are a very good thing for women. Both parties are run by men so the whole 'omg moid politicians are never good for women so we should be mad about any law that gets passed by politicians (even when the laws are obviously written by women)' thing gets really old and really tiresome. It actually feels like the people who say this would prefer for women's rights to be in the pit even more than they currently are just to make it easier to dunk on politician moids. I would rather not wait for the matriarchal utopia in order to be allowed to avoid sex predator males so complaining about actual good laws that actually protect women because 'I won't defend politicians, politicians bad' just seems like such a weird hill to die on for me and probably for the vast majority of women who don't get to complain about that due to actually not having such laws and actually being forced to be raped by males in their prisons and rape shelters and call them 'she' in court afterward.
>Never forget that feminism is politically orphaned. It always has been and always will be. Okay? I guess better to enact the most anti-woman laws possible then just to make sure no one forgets everyone in every political party really hates feminists.
>Just because the conservatives are giving some radfem talking points a platform doesn't mean they care about radfem causesWho cares? You want some politician moid to validate your ideology before you let women stop being raped by moids in their prisons and rape shelters? I don't give a shit about some moid politician's opinions or what he cares about deep down in his tiny little drug-addled lizard heart. I care about women being protected by laws.
>Keep in mind, if the mainstream left peaks and realizes defending toonery just isn't worth it, then the right has absolutely nothing going for it when it comes to giving a shit about women. The left doesn't have anything going for it when it comes to giving a shit about women either, so I don't see your point. 'Once the left stops being at -1 then both parties will be at zero!' Okay, I'll wait with bated breath for that to happen and then continue not giving a shit about partisan politics.
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Someone just linked this article in another thread and I thought it would be relevant here since we were discussing her recently itt, not-really-radfem-gencrit Megan Murphy apparently just had her Canadian bank account frozen by the government for running as a candidate in a minor party (only Canadian party that is against troon laws). She was camping out in Mexico after fairly significant political persecution and I guess she's stuck there now because she can't use money in Canada anymore.
>I had a flight booked back to Canada today, which I cancelled, because if my bank account is frozen I can’t operate in the country and because I am very concerned about what awaits me upon arrival. I decided it wasn’t worth the risk of persecution or attempted prosecution so will not be returning to Canada, despite my original intention to come back to campaign. I am completely appalled that this is how the Canadian government treats its citizens, accountability-free. It is unacceptable and reprehensible to freeze the bank accounts of Canadians, leaving them potentially starving, homeless, and unable to survive—EVER, never mind without contacting them, communicating with them, or providing them with any information.>It also worth noting that the freezing of my bank account at this precise moment constitutes election interference, as I am now prevented from returning to Canada to campaign in my riding.Article:
https://www.meghanmurphy.ca/p/just-when-i-thought-the-canadian No. 2487585
>>2487535Again nona, the right doesn't care about women. They might pass a couple anti troon laws that are nice, but they are also making it so employers can discriminate based on sex (women are DEIs) erasing women's history, getting rid of women's reproductive freedoms (you talk about how roe v wade got overturned in the Biden administration, but it was overthrown by conservative trump appointed representatives who are all batshit insane Christian fundies.
Nona i hate troons too. But know this, the conservatives give even less of a shit about women's rights than the leftists, and you see how bad the leftists are. Believe me, when it comes to making women second class citizens no one can be as oppressive as the conservatives. They hate lesbians and feminists as much as they hate trannies. They we're openly mocking feminists not even 10 years ago and they will shit on us again as soon as the tranny shit falls out of vogue.
Don't cape for them.
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>>2487546>The PPC is truly committed to fighting for women's rightsHmmmm, you sure about that, Meghan?
No. 2487638
>>2487546She's a professional ($$$) agitator now so you can't really trust her positions imo. I also think there's a mid-life crisis going on or some kind of latent trauma from the yaniv years and she wants to party in mexico with her bf. She's smart, a good debater (when sincerely trying) and her logic will be that it's better to have banned abortion than
unprecedented male immigration from developing countries and she's fucking got me there
keep forgetting not a eurofag No. 2487658
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>>2487595You brought up how it was overturned during the biden era to counter now you’re saying you know it was Trumps intention to have it overturned with his appointments by saying the dems “handed it to him” okay lol.
Even with Obama’s supermajority in 2009 he had it for like 7 months, of the (exactly) 60 democratic senators too there were still conservative democrats in the bunch who wouldn’t pass further codification. Politics are trickier than “but he president right now!”. That’d be like me saying all of the construction projects happening under Biden chronologically actually happened under Trump because that’s when they were finished. Misogyny did not start with trannies. If you saw some pedophile stinky homeless male screeching “FAT TRANNY BITCH GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK HO” at some faggot std ridden tranny prostitute on the street you wouldn’t go like “yesss GC win!” you’d walk away because they both fucking stink.
>>2487532Not to mention, trump is totally fine with trannies if they suck Peter Thiel’s dick or if they’re Bruce Jenner (his top) kek. Conservative moids have the same Y chromosomes that Leftist scrotes have. Conservatives specifically want brokies to breed and fatcats to be able to sodomize little boys on private jets.
No. 2487664
>>2487595At first I was convinced you're just retarded but the flip flopping is indicating you're likely just a troll.
Anyway semi related, there's a troon i follow on instagram who I know posts cringey shit on reddit but all i have is a picture of his avatar, would that be enough to find his account? I'm pretty sure he's posted GRS pics and I want to know how bad the rot pocket is.
No. 2487666
>>2487585I don't know how you can 1. write an entire post yourself about how neither party has women's best interests at heart, 2. read my entire post saying I literally don't care what moids think, I care about women, and then go on to just do this condescending "the right don't caaare about me" speech as though there's something I'm missing. I don't care if male politicians care about me. I care about whether women have rights and are protected. I'm not interested in a partisan political discussion about which moid party you personally like more, I'm just interested in as many laws being passed that advance female interests as possible. I find it aggravating when people complain that women are given rights and protections they aren't given in most of the global West because 'male politician who doesn't personally care about me deep down' signed the piece of paper. What about this is hard to understand?
I disagree about DEI but I think that's off-topic for this thread, women had workplace protections enshrined in law long before Biden's DEI EOs were passed but if you want to argue about American political debates unrelated to gender identity ideology maybe this isn't the thread to do it in.
>but it was overthrown by conservative trump appointed representatives who are all batshit insane Christian fundiesRBG was saying for decades that Roe v Wade was a weak and deliberately temporary stopgap decision (I've read it and it explicitly says it's temporary) that needs to be replaced by actual legislation. Democrats have been in power many times since then but somehow they never seriously pursued federal abortion legislation so to this day the US is the only first world country that never passed federal abortion legislation. What did you expect Trump to do, NOT appoint justices when the seats vacated? An inevitable thing even the most famous feminist SCOTUS justice was warning for decades was inevitable because your 'super cares about women a lot' moid party didn't bother to try to enshrine abortion rights in law. Also,
>>2487595 wasn't me and it seems like you're confusing her for me.
>But know this, the conservatives give even less of a shit about women's rights than the leftists1. Not if you look at what they actually do rather than just believing what they say, and 2. I literally don't care how much moid politicians 'care' about women deep in their hearts. I care about their actions and I can applaud a good action that benefits women whoever does the action. I don't care about the contents of their hearts and their deepest feelings, I care about the actual women in the world that are suffering.
>They we're openly mocking feminists not even 10 years ago They still are now, and so are democrat moid politicians. I don't know what makes you think psychopath moids will wake up one day adoring feminists. Feminism is in opposition to male interests.
>Don't cape for them.You're the only person in this thread constantly caping for one of two moid patriarchy parties and derailing the thread from the topic of gender ideology. I don't even know why 'which american political party is my personal fav' became the topic in this thread but this perfectly answers the question of why radfems don't make as many anti-TRA comics and art pieces, because so many of them choose to align themselves with 'the good moids' over other women at the end of the day.
No. 2487671
>>2487628To be fair to her there are a lot of pro-woman policies the PPC has that no other party has, and abortion is never going to be repealed in Canada in our generation (Canada has the laxest abortion laws in the OECD by far) nor is the PPC going to win anything, but I'm 1000% sure this particular platform point is not why Canada's most famous GC feminist was debanked trying to enter the country she's running for office in.
>>2487638Trust her positions or not (I've never really liked her especially after the Boyce interviews although I can respect everything she's done for radical feminism in Canada, as basically the only notable GC ally in Canada), did you miss the part about the debanking? I can't believe I'm in the gender ideology thread reading posts just going 'oh darn yeah Canada's most well known feminist activist just got illegally debanked seemingly by the federal government but more importantly she doesn't have all the best political positions.' If the bank employee wasn't lying to her this is seriously terrifying, like her or not.
No. 2487672
>>2487209I agree. I grew up in the aggressive anti smoking and DARE programmes as a kid and most millennials my age don't smoke at all. And don't vape. There were maybe one or two of my graduating class who smoked but most didn't.
You loose nothing by dismantling a system and discouraging this gender shit in school. The ones who will rebel and lean hard into it, would have done it regardless of hearing it's bad for them. But the others hearing authority denounce gender stuff will definitely have an effect on them and perhaps make them rethink certain things. Because no, it doesn't make any sense that a boy just goes 'im a girl' and makes it true. That logic doesn't logic. Really. And they know it doesn't. But they're being coddled and groomed by a bunch of magical thinking stupidity. Getting rid of that isn't a bad thing.
No. 2487677
>>2487658You tagged another anon but then made reference to my posts, we're not the same person btw.
>there were still conservative democrats in the bunch who wouldn’t pass further codification.Yeah seems like a moid politician problem. Surprise surprise moid politicians won't work in the best interests of women if they can hang a 'you will always vote for me or else' carrot and stick over women's heads while simultaneously chipping away at women's rights.
>you wouldn’t go like “yesss GC win!” you’d walk away because they both fucking stink.Yes but I'll go 'yesss win for women!' when a law is passed that is a win for women because I am able to prioritize my love and care for other women over how much I dislike moids when push comes to shove.
>Not to mention, trump is totally fine with tranniesAgain, who cares? 1 year ago US law legally didn't recognize the existence of a female sex class and now it does, albeit temporarily. Good luck agitating for any female legal rights at all when 'female' isn't encoded in your legal system, see: Britain; see: Canada; see: a whole bunch of Western Europe, etc. Why is trump's friend group more specifically interesting to you than the dozens to hundreds of women currently getting raped by moids in female prisons and rape shelters?
No. 2487681
>>2487670Can you give examples of the "passing" troons
nonny?
>>2487672I agree with you (and that other anon) that pushing back against gendie shit is imperative in schools and kids should not have their pronouns respected by teachers (although imo teachers can't stop their peers from respecting them anyway). But I also think that having hyperspecific rules about not being even allowed to use a student's nickname is going to backfire, especially since you couldn't really make a rule that only kids with gender feelings can't go by nicknames but kids that call themselves 'cis' can or whatever. It just practically wouldn't work. I tbh want to know more about the story of this girl because if the teacher calling her by a nickname was the worst thing she did according to the parents, I'd assume the teacher was not using the student's preferred pronouns, letting the kid in the opposite sex bathroom, etc. otherwise I feel like the parents would have been more bothered by that than the name. There's probably some ideal middle ground where it's school policy for teachers to push back against gender ideology (I know it's the opposite in most schools currently), not allow children to use opposite sex facilities, not use 'preferred pronouns' and use the child's legal name on all homework and official documentation, but still be fine with using their nickname verbally in class contexts. I had teachers in my schools who made up jokey and borderline offensive nicknames for me and called me those nicknames all year but they still knew my name and used it on my homework and documentation, they probably would have stopped with the teasing nicknames if I'd asked, and I don't think anyone is really harmed. Actually the nickname I used back in school was technically an 'opposite sex' name but I wasn't a gendie/didn't present masculine or anything; many girls now are even given traditional male names by their parents. I think putting too much emphasis on a name alone just reads as kind of weird and controlling. I think there is probably more to the story anyway because if the child identifies as the opposite sex the name would personally be the least of my worries as a parent.
No. 2487688
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>>2487677> ‘you will always vote for me or else' carrot and stick over women's headsThat’s not what conservative democrats in conservative districts are doing though. They’re running on immigration and how moderate they are compared to their republican rival. In 2009 it was probably the economy and how moderate they are again. They’re not running on abortion, there’s gonna be shitty conservative abortion opinions in the democratic party because the tent has to be big to appeal to the wide variation of opinions across counties and across districts, vice versa for conservatives with shitty pro tranny opinions (see: Trump in 2016). So no, conservative democrats are not running on abortion lol. Unfortunately there are areas in the united states that are not as pro woman as the others but voting in the greater evil isn’t gonna do shit to help.
>Again, who cares? Because these retards believe that the poor should be 24/7 breeding machines (why they’re limiting reproductive health protections for women) while the rich should be able to enjoy their trannyfucking. Okay great, EO protecting women’s sports but if they aim to go farther in the wrong direction I’m not going to cheer it on.
>Good luck agitating for any female legal rights at all when 'female' isn't encoded in your legal systemIn the united states it’s not that female isn’t defined, It’s anti-discrimination laws pertaining to gender identity that are the issue. Kicking a tranny out from a women’s bathroom in a blue state is gonna get you fucked for being “discriminatory”, not because that tranny is “legally a female”. That’s the whole prison debate too. It’s why MRAs pull up to female only clubs and classes and get them sued/shut down for discrimination. Best thing to do is protect women and girls as a class legally
No. 2487707
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>>2487688I think I should just disengage from this conversation because I think we're at an impasse here based on the fact my opinion is "laws that benefit women are good regardless of what politicians believe about women" and I'm entirely uninterested in plumbing the depths of the average male politician's mind and wonder about what he thinks about women. I will always support laws and legal actions that benefit women regardless where they originate because I care more about women than the beliefs and opinions of (the worst kind of) moid. This is probably like the 5th time I've said this, I don't think you seem to be getting it, and honestly both of us are likely to get redtexted if we continue politisperging about unrelated topics in a thread about gender ideology. Maybe the hidden board is better for this? idk.
But as to the one on-topic point you made, the EOs were not just about protecting women's sports. There was an EO re-enshrining the correct definition of sex which Biden and the Democrats previously steamrolled, effectively making most women's sex-based protections moot across the board. In my opinion there is literally no law more fundamental to the protection of women's rights than whichever one actually defines women as existing; if all laws define women out of existence then women's rights are essentially at an impasse until that is corrected. Note frequently-cited laws like Title IX and how they completely failed to be implemented with regards to sex; i.e., under the Biden presidency sex class protections de facto did not exist. I note that I have repeatedly brought up women getting raped and assaulted in female-only spaces but you only keep mentioning sports, schizos on the street slapfighting with gay trannies, and who Trump is friends with instead of addressing the points I keep repeatedly making about women's safety. I don't want to scrotefoil but this level of deliberate denialism of the serious danger women are in if men are allowed into all of our spaces is starting to feel like bait in the context of this thread.
Source of picrel (worth a full readthrough if you really believe this is just about sports).
https://www.hklaw.com/en/insights/publications/2025/03/the-gender-agenda-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity No. 2487721
>>2487707>>2487707>Note frequently-cited laws like Title IX and how they completely failed to be implemented with regards to sexTitle IX falls under something I mentioned in the message you are replying too, it’s the anti-discrimination measures for gender identity. Not how sex is being defined. When you have anti-discrimination laws towards gender identity and sex blindly, that’s where the issue comes into play. Trannies (male) aren’t females. Even lib lawmakers know this stuff. But you can’t discriminate against them on the basis of their gender identity (transgender “woman”). That’s the exact issue Title IX had.
>I note that I have repeatedly brought up women getting raped and assaulted in female-only spaces but you only keep mentioning >sports, Female only space
>schizos on the street slapfighting with gay trannies, That was me comparing cheering on Trump (who is not “your average male politician”) to cheering on a fat stinky pedophile man yelling at a fat tranny. I was not describing a real scenario and I was not discussing policy relation to that scenario
>and who Trump is friends with instead of addressing who trump has in his administration making decisions because he’s a bumbling retard
I also mentioned prisons and moids purposefully shutting down female only spaces using anti discriminatory measures.
>I don't want to scrotefoil but this level of deliberate denialism of the serious danger women are in if men are allowed into all of our spaces is starting to feel like bait in the context of this thread.You keep telling us our issues with conservative moids and what they say and do against women behind closed doors has no effect on the effort that goes into law making and that is so wrong. What moids say and believes directly affects what policies they’re going to put into place, for example (for example, so it’s a hypothetical) if a politician moid keeps joking about “repeal the 19th” do you think his mind is in no proximity of actually trying to do things to restrict women’s voting rights?Also I never said it’s just about sports, why do you keep implying that i’m saying it’s just about sports? Trump and his administration has simply been advertising the EO that does define sex as the women’s sports EO. They literally had a bunch of young female athletes at the white house because of it.
Nobody here is a moid because they think the things moids do to women in their daily lives and in their attempts at changing policy effect the actual law making process. It does, ultra sexist moids do ultra sexist shit. Thats why everyone here would rather acknowledge all of the shitty things conservatives have been doing towards females than praise Trump for that EO. Its pros and cons.
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>>2487727(picrel) this isn't just legalese saying 'bio sex exists', it's directly echoing feminist arguments about how gender identity laws have specifically harmed women. There's more similar language throughout the whole EO but here's the main introductory part of the text. I don't think the EO is 'feminist' per se but I highly doubt a woman wasn't involved in writing this, the same way that radical feminists were involved in the proposed rewrites of the Equality Act (even though that attempt basically failed). When WOlF were involved in that they were working with conservatives to prevent gender ideology trumping biological sex in law, but I don't remember anyone at the time arguing that Cathy Brennan was a secret misogynist. It's obviously not some MRA moid writing this in isolation, feminist women worked to make this happen.
>Also when did the AYRT bring up race?It's right in the greentext in the post you're responding to, hard to miss.
>the entire thing going on with the birth ratesI'm a millennial and moids have been talking about this in every country and on every side of the political spectrum as long as I've had enough of a grasp of language to parse the news. The majority of tech bros aren't even right wing and the left wing ones act the same on this (and many other) topic(s). Anyway to reiterate for probably the 15th time, I dgaf about the personal opinions of the person in power when a positive law is passed. In order to illustrate this apparently difficult-to-grasp point, let me present you with a thought exercise:
>party A: passes 10 pro-woman lawsthis is good. all 10 pro-woman laws are good.
>party B: passes 1 pro-woman lawthis is good. all 1 pro-woman laws are good.
No I will not say that a pro-woman law is bad just because I don't like the specific person who signed it, or because another person previously passed more of them, or because I woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. I hope this helps clarify my apparently very confusing stance on whether pro-woman laws are good or bad.
No. 2487745
>>2487721So how do anti-discrimination measures for gender identity work to get men into women's spaces? Let me ELI5 this for you as this in fact is very relevant to the thread.
>in a universe very far back in the mists of time (say, 1995), woman/girl meant female and man/boy meant male. >in this faraway universe, a man tries to get into a women's prison>prison service: "no, you can't do that, you're a man.">man: "this is discrimination!">government: "no, there's nothing discriminatory about not letting a man into a women's prison, since the prison is for women. go away please.">the end!
>some time passes… a law is passed enshrining 'gender identity' as equal to 'sex' in anti-discrimination laws, and multiple other laws and executive orders make it possible for people to change their sex markers on official documentation, as well as to 'self identify' as either gender/sex at a moment's notice. The laws and EOs make it clear that in actual fact, gender identity trumps sex when it comes to anti-discrimination law, and that denying a person is the gender/sex they say they are is de facto discriminatory.>in this not-so-faraway universe, a man tries to get into a women's prison>prison service: "no, you can't do that, you're a man." >man: "this is discrimination!">government: "you're so right actually, as a woman who is in fact part of the extra oppressed and hate-crimed subset of women called 'trans women,' it would be extremely discriminatory not to let you into a women's prison where you are allowed to bunk with and rape women. In fact, let's start providing condoms and birth control at the women's prison so you don't experience consequences for raping them."See how the 'anti-discrimination measures' de facto define women out of existence? When a 'woman' is whatever you decide it is, and it's 'discriminatory' to disagree with anyone calling themselves a woman, you no longer have protections for the biological sex class of actual women.
>That was me comparing cheering on Trump (who is not “your average male politician”) to cheering on a fat stinky pedophile man yelling at a fat tranny.Except in your extremely bad analogy, neither of these people were doing anything positive for actual women. In the context of this discussion, which started because of a
nonnie saying she doesn't support pro-woman laws if Trump signed them, this analogy is irrelevant because the law does, in fact, benefit women. No woman has benefited in your male-on-male slapfight violence scenario, but in my 'women get a protection in law' scenario, hundreds of millions of women benefit.
>What moids say and believes directly affects what policies they’re going to put into placeWhich has absolutely zero effect on whether the policies they've already put in place are positive for women. I'm telling you that (see above) women need to be legally defined in order to benefit from legal sex protections and this does not change based on the hypothetical future policies and opinions of some moid or other, the same way the sky being blue doesn't change depending whether Trump says it's blue or whether Andrea Dworkin says it's blue. It's still blue.
>why do you keep implying that i’m saying it’s just about sports?Maybe because you post sentences like:
>Okay great, EO protecting women’s sportsWhen we were talking about an EO protecting women's right to be legally defined as a sex class. This snide comment minimizes the importance of how gender ideology harms women, in the gender ideology hate thread. I think there are multiple other threads, like the Trump Hate Thread, the Amerifags thread, most of the hidden board, and many others where you can discuss your specific hatred of Trump or fears about future policies he may enact that are unrelated to gender identity ideology.
>Trump and his administration has simply been advertising the EO that does define sex as the women’s sports EO. False. You are referring to EO 14201,titled "Keeping Men Out of Women's Sports." I was referring to EO 14168, titled "Defending Women from Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government." Hope that helps.
Like I said, I'm not accusing you of being a moid, but right after a bunch of bait posts appeared this discussion defending gender identity ideology started with some users (not only you, granted) going to great lengths to minimize the importance of defining women as a sex class legally. This is not the thread for talking about how much you hate Trump, this is a thread for discussing gender identity ideology. The 'gender identity ideology hate thread' is not the thread to argue that laws enshrining gender identity ideology are good.
No. 2487750
>>2487738To be fair, technically you're right. That anon was in fact saying that the leftist lesbian
TERF who writes and illustrates Leasebound "makes her think of how of how Trump is… using white women as a shield" but she then went on to mention that she "refuses to engage with any of (what has made other women happy," presumably referring to the pro-woman EOs he has passed, so I mentioned that they have nothing to do with race at all. It isn't just white women who are happy with these EOs, and considering how "white feminism" is always used as a cudgel against radical/GC feminists to accuse us of acting in only white interests when we reject gender ideology, I thought this was an objectionable thing to say. It was especially an objectionable thing to say about a comic written by a leftist lesbian. After seeing the 'race' card played by both troons and libfem handmaidens time after time about any woman asserting her right to sex based rights and protections, in order to shut us up, I thought it was a weird thing to say the leftist lesbian's comic reminded her of. Keep in mind that the original critique of the leftist lesbian's comic that this "white women are used as a shield" poster was agreeing with coincided with these obvious antifeminist/pro-troon posts:
>>2487377>>2487393Anyway the AYRT was not discussing Trump as a person, since Trump in his personal life doesn't have a "protect woman" schtick; it was clearly alluding to trump's EO entitled "Defending Women from Gender Ideology Extremism… bla bla bla" and the fact that many women are happy with it.
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No. 2487877
>>2487102How many people have been "cancelled" or lost their job for disagreeing with gender ideology and not using troons' preferred pronouns? We can't keep count and nobody cares. I don't think this woman should have been fired but I hate the sheer hypocrisy of all these retards.
>>2486922No, I know. I said that because it is often pointed out that X post might be fake/a troll like it's some sort of defense but it's really not, considering that the posts are upvoted all the same.
No. 2487957
>>2487745>>2487750Nona. I know the name of the EOs, Trump has been going around the white house doing retarded stunts about this kind of stuff. THAT’S what the original anon was referring to not “In the context of this discussion, which started because of a
nonnie saying she doesn't support pro-woman laws if Trump signed them, this analogy is irrelevant because the law does, in fact,” She absolutely did not say that, maybe some other anons you were talking to were but she was saying that but you definitely misinterpreted what she was saying. Trump will do retarded stunts about trannies and then put a shit ton of anti-woman legislature into shit, first term; second term. So no, it’s not about the EO’s when the phrase “protecting women” is brought up. This is why nobody is acknowledging your point about you not caring about who signs pro-woman laws, because you replied to that nona who wasn’t talking about that with a message about how Trump signing pro woman EOs is good (which is true) but you can’t just go into a discussion about how he will do retarded anti tranny culture war stunts and then turn around and then go on and push legislation that harms women, interpret it as it being about the few good EOs actually being bad because Trump, and then act like everyone replying to you is somehow missing your point when you missed the point of the original AYRT. Thats why the “marketing” of it was brought up too, to everyone it sounded like you were making a counter point to Trump having tradcon values (or his orbiters in the WH do lol) wanting to increase the amount of legislature that harms women and then you also compared his EOs to what the democrats were doing saying they were making “fuck you” laws towards women. That’s why everybody replied to you with something on the lines of saying “Trump is a shitty person who has no good intentions for women” because you replied to a post about his morality and about his plans for the country with a completely different point. No the “protecting women” stuff isn’t something that’s just policy, he’s been doing it since before his EOs.
>Anyway the AYRT was not discussing Trump as a person, since Trump in his personal life doesn't have a "protect woman" schtick; it was clearly alluding to trump's EO entitled "Defending Women from Gender Ideology Extremism… bla bla bla" and the fact that many women are happy with it.I think this is where you’re misinterpreting it. No it’s not about the EO’s, “protecting/defending women” is just a common phrase. She was mentioning him saying anti-trans stuff, doing anti-tranny stuff, and then turning around and also harming women. Thats clearly what it’s referring to
No. 2488017
>>2487348>Do you really think that they're gonna go through all that effort just to sneak into your bathroom?I never understood why people even try bothering with this argument anyway. Troons are actively trying to make it easier for men to get into women's bathrooms anyway since nowadays it requires hardly any effort to identify as a "transwoman", and apparently you don't even need to try to pass anymore in order for your identity to be totes
valid. You can be a hulking hairy hambeast with a 5 o'clock shadow and boner in your skirt, but so long as you slap on some lipstick and a wig and insist that you're a woman, more often then not handmaidens will screech for your honor and right to be allowed in.
It's not hard to do, and yes there are likely some men that would just intrude into a woman's restroom anyway without bothering with any of the tranny shit, but men know that being trans gives you a shield of protection against the law and public opinion that just being a regular man assaulting women would not grant.
No. 2488034
>>2487786Tbf I've been hearing gendies argue that sports are stupid anyway for as long as the TIMs in sports discussion has been going on, especially from TIFs for some reason, most of whom I guess have never been very sporty. Anyway put like that it does seem like the beginning of the narcissist's prayer.
>>2487992I didn't get it at first because I thought the picture was supposed to be a vintage photo of troons and was staring at it like … hmm TIMs used to pass back then? But guess not. Anyway these moids love finding any older, less beautiful, etc. woman and arguing that she looks like a TIM for some reason even though if someone told them they're clocky they would lose their minds.
>>2487957Having such poor reading comprehension must be really hard. Dare to defend a lesbian comic book artist and point out that AGP hons really do look/act like that and somehow you get pages of lectures back about how troon-promotion laws are good, but then when you call that out, suddenly 'I can't read and I had no idea what you were talking about!' Very sneaky. What are the retarded stunts about trannies, may I ask? Let me guess, once conservatives stop making fun of TIMs the public TIM hate from the true leftists can and will finally begin? Or will we just have more "actually it hurts women to point out that TIMs do/say/look like this" panic?
It's irritating that we can look back and point out that hundreds of posts on this thread were defending Imane Khelif as a really real woman (and farmhands were banning half the anons who said he's a man while leaving all the people talking about how it's sooo harmful to point out he's male) and everyone just says 'oh it was a raid! it was baiters!' but when you observe a huge influx of anti-feminist and pro-troon posting in real time you're supposed to pretend you're not seeing a thing.
No. 2488133
>>2488034>Dare to defend a lesbian comic book artist and point out that AGP hons really do look/act I agree that they act like that, it was the stuff you took out of context about Trump that made people bring up the fact that conservatives are really shitty towards women too even weighing in their anti-tranny laws.
>lectures back about how troon-promotion laws are good You were misreading what that anon was saying, believing Trump is saying he's protecting women only when it comes to trannies and will harm women in every other way possible isn't a pro-tranny stance. Pro-troon laws aren't good, even the Democrats are starting to realize how fucking stupid they were for shilling them, even California Dems are starting to realize this. Pretty late though kek. Stop acting like people disagreeing with you about Trump is us being pro-tranny.
>What are the retarded stunts about trannies, may I ask?Okay
>Having a bunch of young female athletes visit the White House/Trump. (Which is why I brought up sports, and to note, I think giving attention to young female athletes is good but I believe, and the original anon likely believes, that trump is trojan horsing. that's the point)>Lying about the Biden administration putting millions into research of "transgender" mice (it said transgenic)>Limiting terms like "female", "feminism", and "women" in government memo and school curriculum under the guise of eliminating "wokeness" You can look into the entire anti-"wokeness" crusade they've been doing too, especially shitlon's faction, DOGE. You'll see how they'll sneak anti-woman policies into said anti-woke policy.
Are there good things this administration has done about the tranny bullshit purely policy-wise? Yes of course, putting money into research about transgender regret, removing the platform trannies use to legally defend themselves when they are invading women's spaces, basically legally recognizing that trannies are ultra debatelords by defining the sexes so they can't loophole (as you mentioned), and making it harder for parents to troon their kids out. I actually hope democrats see this kind of stuff (and look at their own base who also don't like trannies in women's spaces statistically speaking) and do the smart thing and make being GC bipartisan but they're very pansy so lol. But that doesn't mean recognizing that Trump also only has the interest of him and his fellow moids in mind and will gladly tear women down even if he says what he's doing if good for women is pro-tranny. Which is what that anon was saying. Do I disagree with what she was saying about the comic artist? Yes. But I also disagree with how you interpreted her message about Trump and how you played women's concerns with conservative moids' in power off because the Democrats didn't do good enough at protecting Roe V. Wade or that you only care about policy despite that not being the original point at all. and to be fair towards you, I wouldn't be surprised if more moids were here because of 4chinz being down but me disagreeing with you isn't a pro-tranny psyop
No. 2488313
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>>2488133>no one said redefining troons as women and getting rid of the biological definition of women wasn't a problem!meanwhile, same poster
>In the united states it’s not that female isn’t defined, It’s anti-discrimination laws pertaining to gender identity that are the issue. Kicking a tranny out from a women’s bathroom in a blue state is gonna get you fucked for being “discriminatory”, not because that tranny is “legally a female”.So in your opinion, let me get this clear, the following are "retarded stunts about trannies":
>Having young women who were harmed (paralyzed, sexually harassed while naked in locker rooms, denied medals, and censored for speaking out) by men in their spaces visit the White House/speak in Congress/Senate>Correctly claiming that hundreds of thousands of dollars were spent on transgender animal experiments (no, it was not "transgenic")>Temporarily pausing grants related to gender ideology for review and making government websites use the correct terminology (female, woman) instead of referencing gender identityWe're just going to have to agree to disagree that these are retarded. Sorry it hurts your feelings that the government you're shilling for did indeed put huge amounts of research money from taxpayers into transgender animal studies. Sorry you're so callously unconcerned with the experiences of a young woman who was paralyzed by a male on a female sports team that you think her getting a chance to speak is "retarded", it was definitely better when those young women were being censored and deplatformed!
The rest of your post is again just a reading comprehension issue, maybe you should go and backread the thread and see what was actually said. But the things you are saying now about how retarded it is to platform
victims of troon violence and sexual harassment speak for themselves, I think.
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>>2488313Samefag here's another relevant screenshot for us all to consider when we ask ourselves whether it's "retarded" for these women to be platformed. Anyone could have platformed Gaines, Scanlan, or McNabb or any of these other girls at any time but this is what they were actually doing.
Meanwhile as of March 4th 2025,
>The political battle over transgender athletes in women's sports intensified on Capitol Hill as Senate Democrats blocked a Republican-led bill aimed at banning transgender athletes from competing in women's and girls' sports at federally funded schools. Every Democrat in the Senate voted against the bill on Monday.https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/transgender-athletes-bill-blocked-by-senate-democrats-amid-ongoing-debate-women-girls-sports-filibuster-john-thune-tammy-baldwin-executive-order-trumpI'll continue to wait with bated breath for all the trve leftist men who are "starting to realize how fucking stupid they were" to actually start giving a shit about these women.
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gross
No. 2488397
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>>2488313>>2488320>your picrelAll six grants that were labeled pro tranny despite being focused on hormone treatments and how they affected things like asthma, HIV, fertility treatments, breast cancer, etc. That’s not useless research, with some of the studies even showing the hormones having shitty effects on certain symptoms. The largest grant going to research in gonadal hormones as mediators of sex and gender influences in asthma. Your picrel is looking into the effects of hormone therapy on one’s gut microbiome. Ironically enough one of the studies with it’s grant taken away looked into the effect T had on TIFs for the long term risk of breast cancer, which is undeniably important research as injecting foreign hormones into somebody can fuck up their health. Researching the effects of hormone treatment in and outside of the bounds of gender ideology is undeniably important research. Even the white house uses quotes from the studies to prove their point. So yes, it’s an insanely stupid stunt because even they use this research themselves kek
>Temporarily pausing grants related to gender ideology for review and making government websites use the correct terminology (female, woman) instead of referencing gender identitynope that’s absolutely not what happened, those words were not referenced as the “correct terminology” in what i’m referencing. A photo of a World war II B-29 Aircraft Enola Gay was taken down from the DoD database because it had the word “gay” in it. What was also taken down though were countless photos of female war heros because those words were in fact banned. So a shit ton of resources about women on online databases are being taken down because they include the words female and woman. That’s definitely not correcting gender ideology or whatever. I don’t see why you’re doing mental gymnastics to defend the Trump administration honestly. I’m not even shilling the Biden administration like you’re saying I am, I straight up said democrats will be too pansy to drop the tranny dick sucking.
>it's "retarded" for these women to be platformed. Anyone could have platformed Gaines, Scanlan, or McNabb or any of these other girls at any time >Sorry you're so callously unconcerned with the experiences of a young woman who was paralyzed by a male on a female sports team that you think her getting a chance to speak is "retarded"See how you cherry pick what I say and then use it against me like I’m calling these women retarded? I stated that I’m not and that it’s a good thing that these women were getting a platform but on Trump’s part what he’s doing is absolutely a stunt to gain support from women who he ultimately betrays through laws negatively impacting our health. You say I can’t read but then that’s how you read my message? Do you read the parentheses?
>(Which is why I brought up sports, and to note, I think giving attention to young female athletes is good but I believe, and the original anon likely believes, that trump is trojan horsing. that's the point) And i’m the one with comprehension issues? You were calling the women in this thread who were saying they think conservatives are as misogynistic as leftist moids condescending because they were worried about conservative moids using anti-troon sentiment created by feminists to trojan horse anti-female policies into law. to you that’s “caring about moids personal opinions more than their policy” because you were focused on some executive orders that the original nona didn’t even mention in her point about Trump trojan horsing.
You’re definitely caping for the Trump administration at this point the way you’re willing to defend everything they do and twist our words to make us sound anti woman. I’m sorry to say this but it’s genuinely better to make being GC a bipartisan issue because the base of both democrats and republicans (the voters) both agree that women should have single sex spaces. It’s stupid to have one party shilling them but it’s also stupid that one party gets to use it as a vehicle to get more female votes, only to betray female interests heavily in other areas. You can call out the malicious intentions of the Trump administration against women without it being a pro-tranny anti-feminist psyop. If you wanna hurl insults at me I’m not going to just “agree to disagree” with you kek, especially if you’re making me out to be some big troon supporter because I believe that the pro of anti tranny laws don’t outweigh the con of anti woman laws. You can have pro woman laws while having anti tranny laws, it doesn’t have to be one or the other.
>The political battle over transgender athletes in women's sports intensified on Capitol Hill as Senate Democrats blocked a Republican-led bill aimed at banning transgender athletes from competing in women's and girls' sports at federally funded schools. Every Democrat in the Senate voted against the bill on Monday I said that democrats are too pro troon for their own good in my last post silly. They’re even losing their own base because they just won’t drop trannies.
Women aren’t smug or condescending for saying they’re weary about conservative moids’ stances on women even if they’re anti tranny stances are positive. Vice versa with being weary about dems.
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>>2488397I didn't say research on transgender people is useless, I said it's a lie that the research wasn't about trans people but transgenic mice. Stop shifting the goalposts. I actually think it's a good thing to research the health effects of trans surgeries and HRT, but I don't trust current academia to do it properly as any indication of these things being bad has been buried in the recent past, even leading to tenured profs getting kicked out of their departments because their research on transgender medicine turned up "anti trans" results.
For instance, the $1.2 mil grant that comes up first in your picrel is part of a grant initiative where money was earmarked specifically to research 'sexual and gender minorities':
>This R01 proposal responds to “Notice of Special Interest in Research on the Health of Sexual and Gender Minority (SGM) Populations” (NOT-MD-19-001) which calls for research describing “clinical, behavioral, and social processes affecting the health of SGM individuals and their families."The thrust of the study itself is interesting, but it's disturbing that there is special money earmarked by the government for health research on trans people when there is so little money going into female health research, for instance. The asthma study is fine imo and has a clear purpose, but the language in the grant is disturbing and anti-scientific:
>We expect that our studies would serve to develop potential sex- and gender-specific treatments and recommendations for dosage of therapeutic agents to treat and prevent asthma in cis and transgender women.Here's another one of the grants (picrel) and this one's clearly directed at furthering 'transmasculine medical care' which should be ideally halted. Again one of the biggest issues with this grant is the language and the fact that research like this is being greenlit specifically because it's SOGI related while research on women's health issues that are not voluntarily
triggered by retards choosing to transition are severely underfunded. There's a conversation to be had about whether you support transing mice to learn more about trans healthcare or not, but lying like this is not it:
>Lying about the Biden administration putting millions into research of "transgender" mice (it said transgenic)
>those words were not referenced as the “correct terminology” in what i’m referencing. Okay go ahead and actually source what you're referencing then, if it has anything to do with gender ideology.
>I don’t see why you’re doing mental gymnastics to defend the Trump administration honestly.I don't see why you're doing mental gymnastics to defend the Biden administration honestly. I never defended the Trump admin, I asked you what "retarded stunts about trannies" you were referring to and you gave me examples like platforming victimized women.
>I’m calling these women retarded? You didn't call the women retarded, you said having them speak publicly at government events was a "retarded stunt." I guess they should have stayed in the kitchen, because prior to them getting platformed in a "retarded stunt" they were actively being silenced, deplatformed and insulted by everyone else. Democratic Senators last month unanimously voted to take away their sports rights again.
I have to applaud you for your very sophisticated bait as you lie, twist every argument and pull TRA propaganda straight from the antifeminist news spigot only to pretend you don't know what I'm talking about when I directly quote your previous post.
>I straight up said democrats will be too pansy to drop the tranny dick sucking. Meanwhile, one post back:
>Pro-troon laws aren't good, even the Democrats are starting to realize how fucking stupid they were for shilling them, even California Dems are starting to realize this. Are you ever going to address my points about why we need women = female legally codified or nah? I don't have to twist your words to make you sound anti-woman when you're calling giving victimized women a political voice a "retarded stunt." Like I said, go ahead and make being GC a "bipartisan issue," I'm eagerly awaiting your detailed plan to make leftist moids and handmaidens advocate for the GC cause! I'm sure you can come up with less retarded ideas than listening to and platforming women who have been harmed by TRA laws.
>I believe that the pro of anti tranny laws don’t outweigh the con of anti woman laws. There you go again, calling pro woman laws that legally codify our rights to sex based protections and spaces 'anti tranny laws' and setting them in direct opposition to 'pro woman laws.' You're not slick.
No. 2488512
>>2488451
>There you go again, calling pro woman laws that legally codify our rights to sex based protections and spaces 'anti tranny laws' and setting them in direct opposition to 'pro woman laws.' You're not slick.Not slick about what at this point. You can have a party pro abortion laws and anti woman laws at the same time. I’m not gonna call any woman a trad thiel funded psyop agent if she thinks that democrats are sneaking in pro tranny legislation and policies by calling it pro woman (That’s basically what happened with Title IX). “Anti woman” laws go over a lot of shit and so do “pro woman” laws. Woah you caught me red handed! everything is a TRA psyop!!!
> I said it's a lie that the research wasn't about trans people but transgenic mice. The retarded part is that they were saying the “mice were being made transgender” which is extremely reactionary. You can look up quotes from Trump himself, Elon Musk, and people working in the administration and you’ll see that they were saying that the Biden administration were “making the mice transgender”. That is most definitely a retarded stunt to try to freak people out about where their money is going. I disagree with a lot of grant initiatives of the Biden administration but researching the effects of hormone therapy (that Trump’s White House used after removing the grants) is not “turning mice transgender”. That’s a retarded stunt
> Okay go ahead and actually source what you're referencing then, if it has anything to do with gender ideology.https://apnews.com/article/dei-purge-images-pentagon-diversity-women-black-8efcfaec909954f4a24bad0d49c78074https://archive.ph/pZe7thttps://19thnews.org/2025/03/women-lgbtq-health-research-trump-funding/
>inb4 “liberal propaganda” nitpickLook into the sources yourself and see what they link and what sources they themselves use. Research if what I say is true or not and if I use a source you don’t like don’t derail about it rather use your own sources that are more trustworthy, thank you.
I actually see a major issue with putting words like “female” and “woman” on the same level of “woke” as “trans” and “pregnant people”.
So yes, the Trump administration has been removing things they deem “woke(specifically pro-troon)” from databases while removing important things about females too. You don’t have to pick one, actually being anti troon is being pro woman. But you can definitely be anti troon and anti woman at the same time.
>Are you ever going to address my points about why we need women = female legally codified or nah?I mean there’s nothing wrong with codifying it, in one of my past messages I actually said it’s pretty good for blocking off the Tranny debatelords who try to find every single legal loophole possible. My point was that most trannies abuse specific anti-discrimination laws that you’d see statewide, as do MRAs. Often suing female only spaces. That was kind of the whole issue with the prison debacle, even in red states where female, girl, woman, aren’t really defined if they don’t have laws protecting trannies in the first place there’s nothing trannies can really do. Same thing with blue states as to where they don’t have these things defined but they also have a lot of anti discrimination laws for trannies that they can abuse one the basis of them being transgender. Now it’s a different story when it’s things like passports or ID; legal stuff like that and I’m glad those all got changed to their original sex
> I don't have to twist your words to make you sound anti-woman when you're calling giving victimized women a political voice a "retarded stunt."You do though and you just did, again, I said platforming these women and girls are good. I’m saying this again for the trillionth time.
It’s a retarded stunt on Trump’s end to make himself look friendlier towards women I actually think I reiterated that multiple times. I simply said that it supports the original anons idea that Trump likes to paint himself as a protector of women when others shove executive orders to sign infant of his face but he’ll appoint judges who want husbands to have much more control over women’s health, make it harder to divorce, have miscarriages be considered abortions therefore “murder”, etc etc. Like I agree with certain aspects of the grants being taken away however it’s harmful to label research of that nature as “making the mice transgender”. Platforming women is good but him inviting these women and girls to the white house is not a policy decision and this does not have any lingering legal effect and is clearly him trying to insinuate that he’s a protector of women. Therefore it is a stunt, and Trump is a retard for it.
> Like I said, go ahead and make being GC a "bipartisan issue," I'm eagerly awaiting your detailed plan to make leftist moids and handmaidens advocate for the GC causeYou’re not going to make staunch progressives change their mind, that’s where you’re wrong. It’s the base (so moderate democrats) who want GC politics to be more prominent in the democratic party. This is like saying you’re going to make trad grifters on xitter change their mind about abortion or gay marriage and that’s how you can make the republican party more progressive or whatever, and reading that obviously it sounds dumb. No you appeal to the suburbanites who are moderate. Push for GC politics within both the democratic and republican party, you do this by recruiting people no matter their party. You don’t have to get the crazy leftists, it’s more of a shift of the overton window.
On this segment that I found a bit funny
>I straight up said democrats will be too pansy to drop the tranny dick sucking. Meanwhile, one post back:
>Pro-troon laws aren't good, even the Democrats are starting to realize how fucking stupid they were for shilling them, even California Dems are starting to realize this.Well yeah, look at what the Gavin Newsom has been saying on podcasts about single sex spaces. He’s still getting shit from other democrats who are too scared to lose the frivolously small amount of trannies in the base who are disproportionately loud. There’s definitely been a good amount of democrats trying to have talks of revising policy to make it less troon friendly howeverrrr your example of them voting unanimously against protecting women’s sports is them being pansies. You can find stuff from insiders yourself talking about this within the democratic party.
Also
> I guess they should have stayed in the kitchenKek what the fuck. If you remove the “everything is a troon psyop” glasses you will see that I am simply not impressed with what the Trump administration has been doing/saying against trannies because although it benefits women, every other one of their policies do not. Also I don’t want feminists being put on the same level as troons as the administration has been doing.
No. 2488545
>>2488512>Not slick about what at this point. Insisting upon calling women's rights laws 'anti tranny laws' and sticking to this disingenuous reframing every time the topic comes up. See
>>2487733 picrel, actually read the full text, and realize that this is not an attempt to target trans people, but to restore women's legal rights on the most basic level. This has been my point all along. Also,
>platforming women like Peyton McNabb is very good, but it's also retarded>it's a retarded stunt to say there are transgender mice studies, there aren't any!>actually there are plenty of transgender mice studies, but actually, that's a good thing!narcissist prayer and oxymoronic arguments make it awfully convenient for you to bait and switch and goalpost-shift whenever you're called out. I gave you an opportunity to name the terrible and retarded examples and these are the ones you chose. If they're 'actually a good thing' maybe you should have chosen different examples.
I said from the beginning, probably 20+ times at this point, that I'm not interested in defending either US political party, don't like Trump or Biden, and that in my opinion that doesn't change whether a specific pro-woman law is good. There were also good things that Hitler did (e.g., improving the German economy) that most people acknowledge, even if we all think Hitler was a bad guy who mostly did bad things. If you can't grasp this simple concept I can't help you. Anyway, I have to head out and will respond to your news links later but regarding all your 'anti-discrimination versus legally defining women as female' nonsense, I already addressed it here:
>>2487745Instead of continuing to reiterate your confused, circular reasoning maybe you could actually read the post I already made addressing it and respond to that instead of wasting everyone's time. This is literally Gender Criticism 101 that you should try to understand before you try to participate in GC spaces and discussions.
No. 2488565
>>2488545>Insisting upon calling women’s rights laws ‘anti tranny laws’Because they are anti tranny laws. I’m simply specifying the fact that they are anti tranny laws. If i’m talking about women’s rights in general but also in the sphere of trannyism i’m going to say “women’s rights” not “women’s rights and anti tranny laws”. I’m simply saying “Anti tranny laws” because they need to be specified as such.
>platforming women like Peyton McNabb is very good, but it's also retardedI’m not going to go over this again because I’ve already explained what I meant by “it’s a retarded stunt”. It’s a retarded stunt on TRUMP’s end. And if proves the original anons point about him saying he wants to protect women while doing terrible things to women behind closed doors. I’m not explaining this to you again
>it's a retarded stunt to say there are transgender mice studies, there aren't any!>actually there are plenty of transgender mice studies, but actually, that's a good thing!Okay so let’s go back to what I said
>Lying about the Biden administration putting millions into research of "transgender" mice (it said transgenic)I specified the fact that they were lying about the mice being transgender, Again, you can look up quotes from Trump and Elon Musk from when this actually happened. They were incorrectly claiming that they were “making mice transgender”. That’s incredibly stunty Nona
> There were also good things that Hitler did (e.g., improving the German economy) that most people acknowledge, even if we all think Hitler was a bad guy who mostly did bad things.Fair. However you responded to the original nona bringing up Trump’s EOs and I feel like it keeps needing to be explained to you that, that’s not what she meant by trump’s “protecting women shtick”. I brought up stunts because that’s what he’s doing to say he’s a big protector of women, and that’s likely what the nona was referring to too.
>If you can't grasp this simple concept I can't help you.I can but can you grasp what I’m saying about the original nonas point and how you heavily misinterpreted it into her somehow being condescending about caring about moids personal opinions over laws that help women?
> Instead of continuing to reiterate your confused, circular reasoning maybe you could actually read the post I already made addressing it and respond to that instead of wasting everyone's time. You’re only wasting your own time by engaging in something you deem unnecessary. You keep saying I did certain things, I keep claiming I didn’t do that, you keep hurling insults. You keep trying to paint me as some TRA psyoping this thread by picking out what kind of language I use and saying that I think women should be silenced lol? Please put your energy into something else if this is pissing you off so much
>This is literally Gender Criticism 101 that you should try to understand before you try to participate in GC spaces and discussions.I’m going to be nice and assume we both know enough about gender critical beliefs and that we both participate in GC spaces. You just disagree with me to the point where you’d rather assume I’m some TRA or newfag. It’s very condescending
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Goddam i am so tired of trannies forcing their fetishes on the few cute nerds left. Scott the woz being apolitical in this climate is so based and i am glad he never makes a statement in favour of trannies. Its already bad enough that manchild lardass quinton reviews forced tranny shit on his movie and made it political by setting up a tranny flag for no fucking reason just to make a statement in a project thats not even his.
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>>2488583samefag, that faggot quinton forcing tranny shit on ''borderline forever''. Imagine being an apolitical content creator and asking another youtuber to collab with you on your big 2 hour long project that probably took months, if not years to make, and him, instead of respecting your boundaries, makes it all about him and his love for groomers in programmer socks. God i hate this lardass so fucking much, insufferable scrote who sex pests and skinwalks younger female youtubers and makes a living off watching shows featuring teen girls. Creepy faggot.
No. 2488639
>>2487980KEK
I didn't want to start a retarded infight guys!! I just wanted to point out how often women are used as a prop in political policy!!
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Helped out my local bookstore this week by reorganising their shelves.
No. 2488899
>>2488639Women are always a prop for male politicians but that's exactly why we should be rallying behind every pro-woman policy that some probably faceless, nameless feminist has worked behind the scenes for years to make happen. When you see a pro-woman initiative succeeding in politics you can be almost 100% sure it wasn't politician moids behind it. Wins for women don't come lightly or easily in a patriarchal political climate where every party is basically controlled by moids, and some women will still work tirelessly to make gains in our legal footing only to be purity tested to hell and back by other women. There was an argument about being crypto a couple weeks back where a bunch of anons admitted to being too afraid to agitate for women's rights publicly and also mostly agreed they usually don't blame other women for doing the same in order to make their own lives easier because moids and TRAs/handmaidens will try to ruin your life over being feminist so easily, which means it always has to be 'someone else' that is the face of feminism (it's convenient when it's someone as rich as JK Rowling but that's rare).
The Megan Murphy thing is a good example, she's stuck her neck out for women for decades but people will dogpile her because she decided to stick her neck out again and campaign for the only political party in Canada with mostly pro-woman policies, but they have one anti-woman platform position that no one takes seriously anyway. You'd never see a moid politician campaigning for a mainstream party criticized this heavily for campaigning with a party he doesn't fully agree with, take Bernie Sanders for example. Even though he frequently disagreed with mainstream Democrats people were still happy he ran as one and tried to inject a more socialist and worker-oriented voice into a party that had many objectionably neoliberal policies because it's better to have good people in political positions where they can effect change than not have any at all. The second an openly GC woman with a public feminist track record campaigns for the 'lesser of several evils' party people act like she should either not get involved at all or what, start a GC women's party that will get like 5 votes and have 2 candidates?
Anyway I don't think the infight was started by someone (you?) pointing out how often women are used as a prop in political policy, it was started because of a raid and a handful of people disingenuously coming into the thread to argue that depicting AGPs as they are is the wrong tone for feminist content and we need to tone it down and show more charismatic HSTS and "normal man who just happens to be an AGP" representation which led to someone asking why there aren't more public left wing troon-hating creators. Realistically it's because GC left wingers are either crypto for their own safety, or if they're not they become Megan Murphy and get pushed out. Anyone who publicly outs themselves as GC will be called conservative, like JKR for example, and everything they do or create will be seen through that lens even if they scream I'm a Marxist! every day and 5 times on Sunday.
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>>2488712>What happens when you find someone on the street attractive but you don’t know their identity?Maybe gendies can all read auras and it's all us inferior cissies who aren't psychic like that. Or maybe they need to go up to someone and ask their pronouns first before they can feel attraction to them, like an asexual-until-pronouns type of situation? But then gender can change at any moment so do they lose attraction to their partner the second their partner's gender changes, before they've even been informed, or does that just change their sexuality the way AGPs expect their wife of 25 years to suddenly identify as lesbian (even though she was probably also attracted to other men before)? I knew a guy who identified as gender fluid who sperged day in day out about how he sometimes feels like a woman for a day or part of a day and then he's a man again and that every time people talk to him they need to ask his pronouns at that moment first, I wonder how he expected long term acquaintances to talk about him to other people. He said sometimes he had to go back home in the middle of the day to change into 'girl clothes' because his gender suddenly switched in the middle of a work shift and he would suddenly get dysphoric.
>>2488744Based but imo it might be better to just let people read Butler, once they actually try to read her 'work' they'll probably get like 5 paragraphs in and never want to think about gender again.
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genuinely this is one of the most offensive and misogynistic things I've seen. context this is a one issue wonder-woman comic, where there's a little boy whose favourite superhero is wonder-woman. He gets made fun of for it but he ends up helping wonder-woman and the basic message is about being yourself and being authentic. Of course troons are insisting the little boy is actually trans, like they are all misogynistic pedophiles
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sage for semi-blogposting but one thing that really shows me that all this stuff tifs/tims (especially tims) say about TRULY feeling like a gay man or lesbian inside is purely fetishising is just seeing the images they repost/retweet/etc online of lesbian/gay couples.
you'll rarely ever see a tim re-share a picture of a lesbian couple like picrel, they'll only ever re-share art of anime girls or staged photos of two skinny women who look like high fashion models making out. similarly, tifs will only ever re-share anime bishies or famous male actors. as a lesbian it's fucking laughable seeing the types of photos tims re-share, it's like looking at what a robot who's only ever been fed magazines and trashy anime thinks lesbians look like.
No. 2488931
>>2488922Holy shit you weren't kidding anon, I read your post first and thought how bad can it be? but then got hit with that first response
>this is just casual transmisogyny lol I can't tell if they're stupid or a terfAnd then they wonder why people call them groomers. Why can't they leave children (or fictional comic-book depictions of children) alone?
>>2488924That's because they basically are robots who have only been fed magazines and trashy anime. Most troons are autistic or clusterbee especially the males and therefore struggle to relate to real human beings. Also TIMs are ultramisogynists who hate real women and hate seeing real women genuinely happy, they want us to be walking porn stereotypes for their gratification. AGPs basically see women as NPCs in a video game.
No. 2488959
>>2488922What are they even trying to imply here? WW hates men because the little boy in question is a troon so really it's a 'girl' and WW still hates men? Like. Wtf is this. This is also retarded grooming and really does make it regressive 'boy wear dress so boy is girl' shit. Gendie retards always go CLOTHES HAVE NO GENDER until clothes mean you're trans clearly.
Also clearly WW doesn't hate men. Diana just wants men to be and do better and protects women. But men constantly fail her expectations. Just like all the troons in these replies.
On another note, I thought all these troon fucks had gone to bluesky. Why are they still on nazi musk twitter?
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Next OP pic MUST come from
>>>/m/483342 No. 2488981
>>2488973I think anyone seriously arguing that most TIMs are normal men or HSTS with soo much charisma either lives under a rock/in a country with no troons to speak of and has therefore just seen them on TV (especially the 'the troons everyone knows about are honter and dylan mulvaney!' post pointed to this being the case) or are probably a gendie sympathizer/not fully peaked libfem themselves.
Also in general I find it frustrating as someone who lives in a country where being publicly GC is de facto illegal to see Americans dominating discussions about TRAs with 'the way gender critical views are presented in my country isn't perfect and most to my liking!' or 'I hate that the feminist was on the wrong-party-associated mainstream news station instead of the right-party-associated mainstream news station, what a betrayer!' Try living in a country where no news station will platform a single radical feminist and where no political party thinks women are adult human females. Idk I'm not a leasebound fan but I think Rusty is brave for making a terfy comic about lesbians and I wish people would make their own instead of nitpicking one of like the three people in Australia probably who openly calls out TIMs.
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bong supreme court finally says a piece of paper can't make you a woman and only biological sex matters for legal protection
No. 2489028
>>2487670How does it hurt women? This is usually a troon argument so, genuinely curious to hear your take on it. Troons who pass should have 0 issue entering female spaces and ""living their lives as women"" as they like to say. If they're asking for so many accommodations, it is precisely because 99% of troons do not pass. These accommodations are erasing sex-based rights so I'm wondering how the generalization that troons do not pass could be worse than that.
>>2487476Preach
No. 2489049
>>2489028admittedly this issue is probably way less common than I think it is, but, the specific thing I take issue with is calling out masculine traits in those under 1% of troons that might pass, in a way that to me feels performative and not genuine. Like, I don't want to start an infight about this, but to me, Hunter Schafer mostly passes for a woman, I probably wouldn't look twice at him on the street. So to see some nonnas performatively point out specific things about him in that
>oh this totally looks like a male kekway, makes me feel like there's way more young women who see that and feel insecure about having those same features than there are TIMs who experience the same.
No. 2489052
>>2489049Frankly speaking the trannies who “pass”are the ones who
- on puberty blockers and who didn’t undergo puberty
- who have surgeries, and this is the main thing that makes them pass kek. Even the puberty blockers ones look like twinks until they shave their bone jaw, shave their forehead jaw, get breast implants, bbls etc.
The fact is that they still look uncanny. Sure I can tell you that Hunter Schafer , post euphoria (aka post fillers and surgeries) wouldn’t make me question him if I saw him casually, but these trannies have an “uncanny” look to them, something that makes you feel uncomfortable when you spend more time with them.
And also saying this and pointing it out isn’t saying that women who have “masculine” features as you called them look like trannies, in fact this is a psyop that TRAs use, along with the disgusting statements that black women look like males.
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One of the major left-wing parties in my country is aligning itself with a prison abolitionist group that believes that pedophiles should be put in the same room with their
victims and have a chance to kumbaya it out instead of putting them in prison. It turns out that shockingly, in a true fork-found-in-kitchen moment, this organisation began as an advocacy group for troons in prison.
https://papa.org.nz/>In the case of child sexual abuse, for example, the collective is called upon to consult with the perpetrator and victim, or a close family member to act as advocate if the victim is considered too young.The collective proposes that the parties come together for mediation, using this initial contact with perpetrator and
victim to gauge the circumstances under which both parties would be comfortable doing so.
What follows is a process resembling restorative justice, in which perpetrator and
victim are brought together by the collective. Similar to restorative justice, this stage of the process involves a conversation in which the
victim or their advocate explains to the perpetrator how their actions have affected them, and what the perpetrator needs to do to make amends.
The Greens are some of the most deeply embarrassing politicians in our parliament but they have one of the most active and engaged voter bases in the country. If they start pushing this as party policy we are fucked. Sorry for shitting up the thread with local politics but I don’t have a single peaked friend irl I can vent about this to.
No. 2489064
>>2489056ayrt, and exactly, this is part of my point. 'passing' troons are no better than the outwardly gross ones, so to me, there's no practical benefit to categorically point out that they don't pass, that does not make them better or worse.
>>2489059yeah thanks nonna, you put it better than I could, agree with everything you said. and in general, all of this is just a minor nitpick for me, just something that peeves me as a thing i've seen people do and that doesn't seem beneficial to the overall cause.
No. 2489068
>>2489056This. I am so tired of hearing this mythical 'passing' status (which is reserved for maybe 0.001 percent of troons) as an excuse of why men belong in women's changing rooms. It doesnt matter if they're attractive. That isn't that point. They still have or had a penis. And you allow one, you allow them all. So no. Attractiveness is not a barometer of being a woman for actual women so why is it the barometer for men saying they are?
And this 'some women are clocky as troons' shit is just ridiculous troon cope.
No. 2489070
>>2489060They always have mercy for rapists, while throwing
victims are thrown under the bus. The only way a
victim should be in the same room with her perpetrator is if she wants it and if she is allowed to kill him.
Fuck them and I hope they all die.
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Tras stop using Black people suffering mission impossible.
No. 2489081
>>2489072
>legal case to keep biological women as the sole definition of women and qualify them as a protected class 'This is discrimination against troons!!!1'
Do these people hear themselves? And as far as anyone's concerned troons have had a voice in these proceedings by simply being themselves and peaking the world to their BS. The fact we are at the point of having to enshrine the definition of woman into law and not man tells you everything you have to know about the situation. How ridiculous this is and who is pushing to redefine an unmutable sexual status and having our spaces, our sex colonised by men. Whose the discriminated ones here? Certainly not cry bully troons.
No. 2489118
>>2489025>>2488993I'm really happy about this and hope it serves as an example for governments worldwide to follow. Hopefully, my country will follow suit, but we're always late to first-world trends by a few years so I doubt it'll happen anytime soon.
However, I'm a bit worried that now TRAs will use J.K. Rowling's involvement in this as "proof" that she, as well as TERFs in general, are actively genociding trannies.
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>>2489052The kids who get mutilated by lupron still look uncanny. Pre pubescent boys, for the most part, still have a male look to them, even if you grew their hair out and put a dress on them.
Boys are literally born with a boost of testosterone, it even happens in utero. Then it dies out and boosts again during puberty. But that initial boost still shows.
I think "trans kids" are gay/gnc kids who are raised in a homophobic/gender conformist society. "I can't be a boy! I like dresses and have female role models!" In their underdeveloped child brain, that equates to: That means I must be a girl!
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>>2489135True , this is the tranny pre-surgeries kek
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TIFs are so misogynistic it's disgusting. Imagine this being your first reaction. As if disabled toilets don't exist or that men would keep you out of their changing rooms.
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based bongs. i can hear the seething from across the channel
No. 2489201
>>2489197I don't like that she's a zionist but she's so based and I hope she continues to be based, we need more
TERF celebrities
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well, yes? a penis can rape, impregnate, and ruin a woman's life terribly
No. 2489224
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>>2489208X Doubt. Warning: her porn
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>>2489154Even if you are shit at clocking trannies, I promise he wouldn't fool you if you saw him irl
No. 2489277
>>2489060i can imagine exactly how that conversation would go if i was forced to have a conversation with him
>"how can i make amends for raping you? can't we just be fwiends uwu?">"kys rn and i'll think about it"these people proving again and again that their delusions are harmful to others and extend far beyond gender.
No. 2489293
>>2489224Kek that testosterone acne. The tough guy pooner larp is real.
>>2489215What an awful person. Acting like women don't have a reason they're afraid of men historically. Handmaidens can go to the wall too at this point. They're only enabling men.
No. 2489307
>>2489028>How does it hurt women? This is usually a troon argument so, genuinely curious to hear your take on it.nta but i feel the key is to tighten up arguments as much as you can. like:
>every man is a rape ape troll who despises womenyou can't say this and have it be true. the women you need to reach probably know and love men. they know good men. personally, i have good stories to tell about guys, so not even my blackpilled ass can agree with that statement. however, stuff like:
>the worst crimes are committed by men (not all men, but always a man)>misogyny is a gradient and all men participate even if slightly>porn has detrimental effects on the mindare better because nobody can deny them and you can readily provide examples if needed.
returning to trannies, i mean, some of them do pass. some of them really do perfectly fit that stereotype of a regular person just trying to live their lives……but that doesn't matter. the argument shouldn't be "no tranny passes" it should be "passing doesn't matter because you can't actually change your sex". i type while hypocritically pushing the idea that no troons pass
No. 2489350
>>2489178Anyone who hates Jazz is retarded. I feel awful for him. It's one thing to get your body mutilated without your full consent, but it's another to do it on TV as an "influencer".
Imo I think Jazz would love nothing more than to detransition but he probably had so many fucking shitty TRA families talk about what an inspiration he was for them to mutilate their own gay son/daughter that confronting that what he went through harmed others just as much as he was harmed would result in instant self alog.
His mom should be forced to pay him immense reparations. She is the real monster when it comes to Jazz's story.
No. 2489374
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>>2489154Hontrapoints? Seriously? If you said the troon from euphoria that would've been more believable since he was transed as a child and kinda passed as an ugly, very masculine woman, but HONTRA?… Dude looks like your average dragqueen even in his carefully curated youtube videos with perfect lightning and angles. Not to mention his voice.
>>2489262This picture always kills me KEKKKK especially the uncropped version with Jenny Nicholson. He really looks like such a massive hulking neanderthal next to women.
No. 2489410
>>2488924These ladies are very sweet looking
>>2489049I agree completely anon, there are so many compelling arguments to be made in regards to troonism that do not resort to nitpicking normal human features in either sex - transitioning so often stems from deep body dysmorphia, attributing such importance to physical appearance is exactly what gender ideology does a la:
>because you look like this you can NEVER be feminine! you MUST chop off your cock and shave the bones in your face in order to enjoy insert traditionally feminine hobby No. 2489449
>>2489425Well, you can't say that TIFs like
>>2489224 don't look clearly female. Even if some small minority of troons pass, the only reason people with common sense say they obviously look like their sex is because we're sick of being gaslit into accepting misogynistic larpers delusions. You can be a feminine male or a masculine woman, but don't claim you're "LICHERALLY AN ADULT HUMAN MALE/FEMALE" if youre
literally the opposite sex.
No. 2489485
>>2489449That’s what I was saying though, trannies don’t pass. I’m not the one that thinks Hunter Schafer looks anything like a woman. I just occasionally dislike the language used by some anons and anti-trans places outside of here when it strays into using the same kinds of speech misogynist do.
>>2489433 explained it well though, I’m a bit autistic and can’t pick up on things like exaggeration for effect tbh. But that makes sense to me.
No. 2489521
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How many women are killed violently by scrotes? Raped and chopped? What about the thousands of women killed every year in Latin America? No words for them?
A male getting killed by another male isn’t of concern for women when we are being killed everyday by scrotes.
No. 2489536
>>2489521>>2489530Came to comment the exact same thing, I distinctly remember an anon venting about how everyone in her country, even the fucking president, acted like one single tranny getting murdered was the worlds worst hate crime when dozens of women get raped, tortured
AND murdered daily in that same country and no one gives a shit. Boohoo, one single faggot was
victim of a homophobic hate crime, and he got to die with the decency of an intact asshole, which most femicide
victims don't get. Trannies are so fucking disgusting.
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This is the reason why these retards even lost kek.
No. 2489551
>>2489539I agree. Its like a fat person wanting people to call them skinny because “thats not how they feel in the mirror”
Its a mental illness and “transitioning” (aka injecting yourself with foreign chemicals , or simply putting on a wig and a dress) is not the cure. the cure is getting deeper psychological help. playing pretend with them is also making their delusions worse.
No. 2489555
>>2489545If you asked this person to explain why theyre called "trans women" and not just "women" their head would explode
>>2489551Exactly! and have you seen the screencaps from people on that 4tran subreddit? or the lgbt board? they literally act like classic OCD sufferers constantly ruminating on their gender identity, its genuinely disturbing
No. 2489563
>>2489539Gender dysphoria should be it's own thing even if it overlaps with a lot of other compulsive mental disorders but it shouldn't be treated with trooning out. There's a reason so many troons off themselves well into "treatment". I know gay tifs who've gotten even worse as they've trooned out because they still hate the way they were born, they see themselves as female no matter what, and still believe every negative thing about their sex and themselves. I think that GD is kind of complex because you can be dysphoric for various reasons and trooning patients out just seems like a lazy, money grabbing, "one size fits all" solution. If you're a sexual minority and your problem is with that then being told that you actually do need to be the opposite sex to love the people that you love is going to make that problem worse.
Trooning out literally is not a solution to GD, there's a reason troons (specifically the moids too) have so many legal demands. They realize they still see themselves, and everyone else sees them as their true sex so they just demand everyone sees them as the opposite sex. If that makes sense.
>>2489545Fucking finally kek,
terf island win
No. 2489583
>>2489560
> there's a reason troons (specifically the moids too) have so many legal demands. They realize they still see themselves, and everyone else sees them as their true sex so they just demand everyone sees them as the opposite sex. If that makes sense.
Great point nona, but the truth is, even when people are forced to believe it, nobody actually “sees” them as women. deep down, everybody knows that only men have penises, so when they learn that “transwomen” have penises also, their mind clicks and automatically knows theyre men. Its as automatic as knowing that the earth is round. Their brains know their men, but their mouths say theyre “women” due to social pressure. Its almost like doublethink. As soon as you stop playing this game of pretend, this ideology comes crashing down because its literally contrary to provable, basic facts.
No. 2489605
>>2489555>they literally act like classic OCD sufferers constantly ruminating on their gender identityNTA but I agree, /lgbt/ was swarmed with so many threads about how anons problems stemmed from not transitioning, but also all the problems that stemmed from beginning transition, but also all the problems deep into transitioning, but also all the problems from detransitioning if they didn't write a suicide note thread already
Weird… it's almost as if working on your porn addiction and not just smoking weed in a dark room filled with dirty dishes might be good alternatives to blowing money on hormones
Hopefully 4chan going down helps some of these people by pulling them away from their anonymous pity party
No. 2489619
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>>2489521In Colombia a tim died probably by bigots and everybody were crying against transphobia, but ignore that in 2024, 888 women were murdered in Colombia because of their gender. LatAm is a shit hole to live in if you're a woman. And is all YOUR fault if you get abused, raped or killed.
No. 2489632
>>2489601I just call them men who chopped off their dicks, calling it “neovagina” implies that they have done anything other than castrate themselves.
Also adding on, trannies are stupid enough to think that when people call them “she/her” they think they actually see them as women, but in reality all they are just forcing the other person to add an “s” at the end of he. They dont take a minute to look around and notice that the women that they skinwalk see them as a catagory “other” than them, even if they play the pronoun make believe game. What im saying is that its all just lip service.
No. 2489711
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for a community with so much advertising, you’d think they’d catch on to the fact that they’re actually not being suppressed in any meaningful way
No. 2489731
>>2489619>jk rowling will go down in history as…She has been dunking on trannies for at least 6 years now and she still keeps making a fuckload on royalties for her book. She will go down in history has an outspoken and wildly successful female author. No one fucking likes gendies. Normies don't like them (they tolerate them at best).
Meanwhile that misogynist scrote Bong oliver is already halfway irrelevant just like that troon Dylan.
No. 2489828
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>>2489711I looked up what those two weird flags were and I still have no idea wtf these terms are supposed to mean, I've never heard them in my life. They also have a few other obscure "sexualities" and a flag for people who are unlabeled?
No. 2489845
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>>2489828how in the world is this meaningfully different from 'pansexual' or even just bi? the autism is off the charts
No. 2489856
>>2489731The trannies still play the hogwarts legacy game, do marathons of her series , read her books and wrote fanfiction over it kekk. They’ll never erase her legacy.
I do not agree with some of her stances but her works as a writer cannot be erased, children literally started reading more books thanks to her, let that sink in.
No. 2489864
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>>2489845>>2489857For years I've been thinking they've been reselling redundancy since the pansexuality is just bisexuality rebranded
No. 2489879
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>>2489864Maybe not what you meant, but the mention of reselling reminded me of that theory that the constant updating of the gay pride flag is being pushed by corpos so they can sell more shit. New design, new flag/pin/sticker/shirt/skirt/socks you have to buy, especially if you're a business who puts up decorations for pride month.
No. 2489903
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>>2489845i never even understood why there exists so many names for such niche and specific sexualities and gender expressions. someone posted picrel earlier in this thread and i had to look up most of this shit because i have no fucking clue what an 'aporagender' or 'pomosexual' is. like what even is the difference between being genderfluid, trigender, pangender, polygender, genderqueer, genderflux, pivotgender, alexigender, or demifluid? don't they all basically just mean someone who thinks they can just switch their gender to something else whenever they feel like it?
like i understand some people are desperate to find something unique about themselves, but what's even the point when no one understands what the hell you're talking about when you say you're a greysexual genderfae nominfae who will only date other fellow demiromantic reciprosexuals? i feel like i'm going insane saying all these made up terms kek
No. 2489990
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>>2489903literally elon musk
No. 2490042
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>>2489025SMOKING DAT TRANNY PACK