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No. 2473199
This thread is to discuss your grievances with gender ideology.
>What is gender ideology? Foundational to transgenderism, gender ideology is the belief that one’s “internal gender” can contradict one’s biological sex.
Gender ideology operates much like a religious cult. There is no scientific evidence that supports the notion that we have an “internal gender,” and yet doctors now medicalize and sterilize children with “transgender identities” who have been groomed by the cult. Anyone who does not reaffirm these delusions is labelled as a “transphobe” in order to discredit any dissenting voices of the cult.
Previous threads:
>>>/ot/2444792>>>/ot/2373578>>>/ot/2351915>>>/ot/2290853>>>/ot/2252408>>>/ot/2191693>>>/ot/2121106>>>/ot/2097274>>>/ot/2037097>>>/ot/1991983>>>/ot/1941872>>>/ot/2405643Relevant threads:
MtF/Trans-Identified Male General
>>>/snow/2100731FtM / fakeboi / TIF general
>>>/snow/2100119Peak trans
https://lolcow.farm/2X/res/21342.htmlOvarit Archives
https://lolcow.farm/2X/res/38865.htmlResources:
Peak trans stories from banned Gender Critical subreddit:
https://www.saidit.net/s/GenderCritical/comments/54yt/gcs_peak_trans_archived/Peak trans stories from Ovarit:
https://pixeldrain.com/l/JTwRJCYR“Listen to trans people” series:
https://x.com/marycatedelvey/status/1897370783816790064“You told me you were different” TIM on TIF violence anthology:
https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=1E3552778745CA46FE01054D2886BB3D No. 2473241
>>2473091Yeah, I am the same nonna and I live in a pretty trans positive place. The only place I generally see TERFy-ness is on the inside of bathroom cubicles. I do occasionally misgender people but I am crypto enough to not start a shitstorm when I do, people wouldn’t think it’s deliberate and most often it’s not.
I keep my alliances with women over males always but I don’t have another TERFy irl friend (do not really consider myself a
TERF but at the very least I’m someone that believes sex-based realities shouldn’t be compromised for gender ideology) and almost every GNC woman I know has went down the TIF route. If you don’t live in a country where they have decided accommodating males is peak progressiveness then I need you to know it’s a very strange atmosphere… you can actually have fairly nuanced opinions about many political issues and how social justice is best enacted but literally any form of criticism towards gender ideology as a woman will get you put in the
TERF camp.
It often feels like the feminism was left incomplete before the transgender movement started building on top of it, crushing already weak pillars of female empowerment with regressive ideas about gender. They don’t care and they won’t bother picking up the pieces.
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>>2473008People dont realize that a good portion of the world (outside of the few blue states in the US) literally stone trannies and faggots to death. The “””””trans””””gender movement only seems like they have a foothold right now because they actively silence all critics. if the 14k trannies who liked these “twans rights” posts like pic rel on reddit tried to live in his fetish in somewhere like china, russia or pakistan, he would either be forced to take off his 10$ wig by the general population and kill himself or get killed by others. its about time we in america start treating these men like the predators they are.
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>>2473199OP here, I'm stupid so I accidentally posted the incomplete version of this pic as threadpic, kill me now
No. 2473394
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>>2473387>tims fighting handmaidensThis literally happens daily. When you dont give the crossdresser the female attention he so deeply craves he will call you a
TERF or a transphobe to his other TIM buddies on reddit. There is so much posts on r/MTF about the tranny crying because he didnt feel “included” and the 1# priority in female spaces
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>>2473394Also for anyone who is wondering, this is what the troon in question looks like. Theyre always so fucking fat, balding and ugly, but they demand attention like a supermodel. The mindset of the average troon is: “Well those troons that people laugh at dont pass at all, but at least
I pass just a little” But in reality they are all equally as clockable and fugly and look like men in wigs. (because they are)
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>>2473398
Yes, this is the most common reason, because most countries outside of america dont have money to burn on an AGP mans fetish, so he will always look like a man without his hormones and surgeries, and so he will always be called a man, leading to the inevitable fate of The Rope.
No. 2473491
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As per twitter trasbian (now hiding out in bsky) Anthony "Erin" Reed's report, German retards seem to have published a guideline shitting on Cass Review and recommending kowtowing to all tranny wishes.
>From the outset, the guidelines explain the importance of gender affirming care, stating that there are “no proven effective treatment alternative without body-modifying medical measures for a [person with] permanently persistent gender incongruence.”https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/new-german-swiss-and-austria-guidelineshttps://bsky.app/profile/erininthemorning.com/post/3ljxggq6lpu2qWhat he fails to mention is that a previous version of this guideline was already torn apart for being bananas and not evidence-based (
https://segm.org/German-draft-guidelines-gender-dysphoria-children-adolescents-2024), and even the new version is very
sus and copied WPATH recommendations (
https://segm.org/German-guidelines-gender-dysphoria-youth-2025). Some good points from the segm analysis:
>The final Guidelines acknowledge that the vast majority of gender-distressed adolescents today merely have "gender non-contentedness" and should not medically transition.>Despite the more cautious narrative, the Guidelines’ recommendations remain largely unchanged, providing a pathway for any willing clinician to provide gender transition to any determined youth.>The Guidelines have evidence of significant unmanaged conflicts of interest, including a priori alignment with WPATH positions, leadership in gender clinics and organizations promoting gender transition treatment, and ties to pharmaceutical companies.>The Guidelines’ scathing analysis of the Cass Review is based heavily on the discredited “Yale” report and is rooted in a misunderstanding of the role and process of “independent reviews.”>Two German medical societies fully rejected the final Guidelines, and several more issued alternative recommendations. Switzerland has not yet accepted the Guidelines, initiating its own additional review. Gig kek'ing as I read through all this.
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>>2473486I was once cornered in a restroom by a 6 ft+ tim who “just wanted to say he loved my hair”. We were the only ones in the room and he was blocking the exit. I said some noncommittal response and that I liked his hair too (I didn’t). He then wanted to talk about what I was wearing and about that time someone else opened the door forcing him to move and allowing me to escape. I’m sure he said later on that he totally passed and I was none the wiser, I even complimented him after all like all girls do.
No. 2473546
>>2473506Not trying to be rude, but why did you play along with that shit? That genuinely makes me sick. Nobody with a gun to my head can force me to call a man a woman. Especially when he is right in my face and I can freely humiliate him. If i saw him in my bathroom i would
at least give him a nasty stare to remind him hes a freak and that he doesnt belong. You just gave him something to think about while he is jerking off.
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>>2473510This. Its not so different than drawing random cartoon characters holding a sign or a shirt that says “
Character says trans rights!” It literally changes nothing but affirms the trannies make-believe delusions and also the delusions by other trannies who see it and share it
No. 2473565
>>2473563>>2473564haha jinx
nonnie you owe me a soda
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>>2473565For you
nonny>>2473568Yeah that police call, court case and emotional trauma is worth a singular smug moment right?
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>>2473581He was a TIM in one episode. The storyline was about how he put a bow on his head and demanded to go into the womens restrooms because it was “cleaner” and “nicer” kek
No. 2473599
>>2473572There was actually an episode where he pretended to be a gendie so he could get his own personal bathroom kek
>>2473506I'm so sorry this happened to you
nonnie. He probably wanted to feel like he "passed", ew. Most women just don't wanna deal with their retarded tantrums. I'm never even worried about them being strong or tall, as with any other moid, I don't care I'm built and go everywhere with my girlfriend. Trannies are hypotonic as fuck anyways. It's really the psychological legal karen shit they pull that's so fucking agitating. You don't wanna validate them? Sued. Oh you won't allow them into your business' women's restroom? Harassed and spammed with negative reviews. Tell them to fuck off when you wanna be left alone? Police called on you. It's hell. Women do best in groups as we are very social, they 41% if a flock of normie women give them the stink eye. Because then they can't karen out about it.
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>>2473601I don’t think not starting fights with hulking males makes you a handmaiden and nor does just wanting to go about your daily business without an impending court case on your mind.
No. 2473615
>>2473607NTA, not denying that they aren't violent. But sex offenses can be violent and non violent. Like downloading CP makes you a sex offender. Also extorting CP from a child online. etc etc. Either way I wouldn't wanna get in a fight with a random mentally ill moid who has a 99% chance of being a sexual degenerate. Completely understand why the nona did what she did.
>>2473609Agreed, I don't care about moid's "muh upper body strength" (especially if they're on hormones that fuck with it). But trannies are just their own type of demon because they'll go out of their way to fuck with your life legally and socially if you make them seethe. I wouldn't consider myself "nice" to trannies unless they're obviously underaged or disabled. I don't pick fights, I'm just cold. I don't think anybody wants to pick fights with the mentally disturbed, especially if you just wanna mind your own business and get the fuck out.
>>2473612fair
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>>2473512>>2473599AYART, thank you nonnies. This happened over a decade ago, I was 16 at the time and just going to get coffee with my friend. I went to the bathroom while we waited for our drinks. When I was in the stall I heard him enter but not use any of the facilities, when I exited I saw him standing there. I knew I was in a bad situation at the time but I didn’t realize how dangerous it really was until much later.
I hope no one else experiences something similar, it was really terrifying and I think contributed to my anxiety. I don’t feel like I can talk about it in therapy either without risking them terminating care for being transphobic. I wish I could say I would do things differently if I found myself in the same position today but I fear for my safety too much. May you nonnies never have to make that decision.
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This is so true
No. 2473669
>>2473660This reminds me of that one post
>Men troon out because they dont feel valued enough in the patriarchy >Women troon out to escape from misogyny of the patriarchy or something like that
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No. 2473926
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>like something cool
>trannies get into it
>oust every normal person, devs pander to them and make it stupid
every single FUCKING time. recently, a game i like added a nonbeanary character. whatever, ignore him. now a youtuber who makes build videos referred to the heccin valid duderino as 'he' and got dogpiled by kweer redittors doin a big yikes because the youtuber said he doesn't gaf. it's a fucking fictional character with a male voice actor and male appearance. the youtuber was removed from the games' partnership simply for saying he doesn't care.
you have to bow down to these people and their delusions or you will receive public lashings. it is so over.
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>>2473892Sometimes crypto is needed, but many times i find myself just calling TIMs a man to their face, and then act really unapologetic, apathetic, and casual about it if they freak out. The maximum ive seen them do is avoid me afterwards, which is in my best interests because who wants to look at an eerie skinwalking fugly moid on a day to day basis.
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>>2473964Samefagging, example from a real conversation i had with a TIM, not verbatim
>Wow he probably doesnt even know you are a guy crossdressing>”Um… I use she/her pronouns and I told you I dont like being called “A guy” >Oh yeah I forgot, Its hard for my brain to see you as a woman because you look masculine >”But i identify as a woman”>Yeah i know its just easier for me to call you a guy though and the the next day he avoids me and gets embarrassed whenever he sees me. he knows he cant cry transphobia because i can just go “well i didnt know” and he will probably tell himself that too. Its literally so easy, im done with ass kissing moids.
No. 2474012
I’m in a Euro country that elected a pretty right wing government last year. Immediately afterwards my local university took down their DEI page, which was mostly focused on women, disability and immigrants, entirely. I’ve just noticed it’s back up but there’s no mention of disability or sex discrimination at all anymore. It’s all ‘gender identity’ and religion now, with every photo being either an obvious begendered person or a woman in hijab. Fuck those of us who aren’t in a cult, I guess?
I hope some TIM pisses off the wrong Muslim woman and the whole thing blows up. Unfortunately the hijabis who attend this university tend to be libfem handmaidens who combine their hijab with heavy makeup and high heels while chanting TWAW so even if a TIM demanded they take off their hijab in front of him and his ladyboner they’d probably comply. Bleak.
>>2473968I’m happy for you nonna but some of us would get fired for this. I have a lot of difficulty with wrong sex pronouns. My brain simply won’t do it. Where I work I could get seriously penalised for slipping up, so I try to avoid using pronouns for (or even talking about) these people at all, but I’ve been lowkey reprimanded for that as well. I’m lucky enough to have people in my personal life with whom I can be honest but if I
terf out at work, even mildly, I’ll probably lose my job. Taking refuge in ignorance only works once, if at all, and I know I wouldn’t be able to get away with it anymore since I’ve already been ‘educated’ too often.
No. 2474055
>>2473964That's nice to hear. I wish they'd avoid me tbh but hulkers could be scarily violent. I had a male friend from high school who trooned out and started talking about how he'd beat anyone who disagreed with him (not even related to his troonery, just altercations or fights in general). I ditched him but his gaggle of troonfriends were all the same. If they're a good sample then if I mention bring a
TERF around any potential troons I'm going to end up with a broken face unfortunately.
Hell, you can't even tell troons apart from normal moids anymore. So many troons wear full beards and mustaches, short hair and casual (male) clothing and expect you to know they're "female" as well.
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>>2474055This is going to sound tinfoily, but for someone like that, I would him ask him genuine sounding questions that sound vague and oblivious, with no hint of sarcasm or hatred, for example
>“If you were a woman, with the same body and all, who particularly would you beat? Could you beat them if you had the body of a woman?”>“Arent women less stronger than men though? Because they have different body mass?”Its going to sound like im stroking their ego, but when he realizes he cant answer those questions, it makes him question himself. The best time to nip troonism in the butt is when they are first starting out, since they aren’t fully ingrained in the troonism cult and cant repeat their loophole excuses so easily. You have to make them feel like they arent accepted. Because they truly arent. Or maybe less of a hassle is suddenly giving him weird looks like you’re uncomfortable and avoiding him a few days after he comes out to you about his troonism and never letting him know why when he asks. Makes them feel like bigfoot lmao. Im a veteran at this, psychological welfare with these freaks.
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ew, wtf
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>>2474267Sure very few can look like women, they skinwalk thats the entire point but if he has a penis hes a man. Just a man who “looks” like a woman. Literally that simple. Also I looked this guy up and look at the height difference KEKKK. I wonder how he looks like under that full face of makeup.
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>>2474276Samefag, reminder of this image.
No. 2474301
>>2474289because they dont want to be sexualized.
Most TIFs troon out because they are traumatized from being seen as sexual objects as opposed to as human beings.
It's basically pickmeism in a different form (if I look male/ugly men will take me seriously)
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>>2474267>>2474276>>2474287i used to watch his videos a lot and when it came out he was trans i was surprised and confused. but that's likely because i didn't see any videos of him in the real world, he always just had his face/shoulders on camera and i thought he was a fat/wide woman with a lot of fillers (also i wasn't as good at clocking troons back when i watched his videos). after seeing pictures of him on eurovision and next to other people i was like "oh, yeah i definitely see it." not to mention how giant his head is. that man skull is huge.
he does seem slightly annoyed every time he brings up the trans thing on his videos (i assume PR forces him to constantly bring it up now that he's out and i tinfoil that he thinks he's better than other trannies and would have preferred to keep it a secret). but it's funny watching videos of him doing makeup on real women and he'll constantly say shit to them like "omg you're my twin!" to almost every single girl he does makeup for. like… cope fag, you look nothing like them at all. i do think he's good at makeup but he's an annoying fag and i kek looking back when he said that his husband didn't know he was trans when they met. dude's huge as fuck there's no way he didn't know, his husband seems like a total fag too
No. 2474433
>>2472705>terfs can never see a future without misogyny in it hmm that's a point more or less unique to blackpillers i think, but honestly it's not even wrong. there is no, and there hasn't really been, a culture based around matriarchy in all of human history. there's nowhere in the world that hasn't at one point posited women as (somehow) lesser and encoded that into its law systems/religion.
i do think if men didn't have physical strength over women + women weren't often shackled by spawn there could be a future where misogyny didn't exist (therefore it isn't really "inherent" to men, it's just male biology) but yeah, so long as this dynamic remains where the average male could concuss the average woman with a hard enough punch to the head we're always going to have sexism. that's just human nature to shit on the weak or perceived weak
No. 2474468
>>2474455Which leads us to pro tranny tip: if people perceive you as a plastic surgery and fashion
victim first, they might get too confused and afraid of being rude to question you.
No. 2474478
>>2472705>gender essentialismTrue and real, if you think it isn't you're delusional
>terfs hate being womenNot true at all lol
>Cis men are pretending to be women to go in our bathroomsTrue, some of them are, if you don't believe this is true you're delusional
>>2474433About what you said, kind of a controversial opinion but i'm not a blackpill tard and don't mix with them and i do believe in bioessentialism when it has to do with sex, men are inherently stronger than us and TEND to naturally be more violent, i don't think we will ever have a future free from misogyny or the patriarchy due to our biology, it doesn't have to do only with socialization.
No. 2474635
>>2474478>terfs hate being womenThis is a frustratingly common misconception among TRAs. I like being female, and I like the female aspects of my body. What I don't like is the seemingly endless ways society has been engineered to make women miserable, either by moids or by women who throw other women under the bus in an effort to please moids.
And in any case, even if someone "hates" being a woman, that doesn't make the male. It just means that they're struggling with self-acceptance in a culture that treats them like shit for what they innately are.
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>>2473892Seconding the anons who said both. I'm crypto, and I acknowledge that by engaging in preference falsification, I'm perpetuating the problem of women being afraid to push back on gender ideology. I do it because I love my job, which happens to be in one of the wokest possible sectors (charitable organization), and that's fundamentally a selfish (albeit justifiable) motivation. I'm certain being openly GC would harm my relationship with my brother who I'm close to, and one of my close childhood friends who recently TiF'd out. For me, the cost-benefit analysis just works out in favor of crypto.
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And the same woman's life will end at 41.
No. 2474689
One of the things that really skeeves me out about all this shit related to the workplace discussion and
>>2473926 is that you would never, or at the very most rarely, see anyone get the same amount of pushback against sexism or racism - the two things TRAs like to co-opt into their whole fucking charade despite doing absolutely nothing for those issues (except making them worse). Even the most fake woke idiots out there would basically just go "dang, that sucks mate" if you told them you felt you were in danger due to sexual harassment, but if a tranny whined about being "misgendered" the very same people would pick up the pitchforks before said tranny had finished his sentence.
I hate that you can spell this shit out to people and yet you can watch how their neurons are desperately fighting for their lives to make it all make sense, just for them to fall back into relying on good ol' cognitive dissonance out of convenience. I swear to god whatever is in the water is doing more than turning frogs gay.