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No. 1991983

This thread is to discuss your grievances with gender ideology.

>What is gender ideology?

Foundational to transgenderism, gender ideology is the belief that one’s “internal gender” can contradict one’s biological sex.

Gender ideology operates much like a religious cult. There is no scientific evidence that supports the notion that we have an “internal gender,” and yet doctors now medicalize and sterilize children with “transgender identities” who have been groomed by the cult. Anyone who does not reaffirm these delusions is labelled as a “transphobe” in order to discredit any dissenting voices of the cult.

Previous thread:
>>>/ot/1941872

Relevant /snow/ threads:
>>>/snow/1987643 (MTF general)
>>>/snow/1984807 (FTM general)

No. 1992033

>>1991543
In gendieland, hetero/homosexuality is reversed. That's why straight tifs don't usually overlap with the leslarpers, their spicy straight needs are covered by their male attraction.

No. 1992067

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How long until they undo letting trannies in women sports? How many women need to get injured for them to stop enabling?

No. 1992125

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No. 1992152

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I really despise how they have to take the most mundane things and smother them with their gendie crap. As somebody who wore these shorts and never trooned out, i was quite triggered by this. If anything, these shorts have always reminded of Ryan from high school musical.

No. 1992162

>>1992125
KEKKKK nona i never saw that one.. Lawful enby is so accurate it's scary. Usually these types are atrocious 'male feminists' tranny chasers with AGP, but it's not strong enough to cause a troon out. They live through more 'brave' lawful AGPs and serve as their attack dogs. Many such cases. I don't even know what to add, it's too good

No. 1992235

>>1991414
In some cases this is true, and I have seen it before, but I think this was more common in the past than it is now. I'm sure there are still plenty of genuinely SSA TIFs, but there's also so many who subscribe to the idea that being attracted to women is politically cool, but would rather die than actually touch another woman's pussy. You can tell by the way they have no qualms about salivating over men with great specificity, but tack on commentary about women as an afterthought only ever using unoriginal meme slogans like the "excuse me mommy" and "step on me" thing. I do notice this is more common with enbies than more hardcore TIFs, and I suspect it's because they are more low effort and noncommittal about the trans thing, which means if they ever back out, they'll be kicked out of the cool kweer club unless they can claim bisexuality. It's like an insurance policy.

No. 1992240

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If Marsha wasn't trannywashed by the TQ+ community, his death wouldn't have been mentioned as "a crime against black queer and trans people". Murder or suicide, let that man rest like the drag queen he said he was, not a TIM that made something "revolutionary".

No. 1992248

>>1992125
KEK this is my first time seeing the TIM version. Also

>lawful hsts blaire white

>neutral hsts jazz jennings

What about Contra and PT though? Lawful AGPs?

No. 1992260

>>1992125
kekkk I love you nonna. The TIF one was peak but this one is also pretty brutal in just how accurate it is. I know a dead ringer for lawful enby who's on the verge of trooning out because he donates to hontra and allowed all his discord buddies to meme him into 'not being able to explain why he identifies as a man'

No. 1992267

>>1992125
I've been seeing way more of lawful enby on dating apps like Feeld and the political and fandom sides of Twitter. Kind of want to protect chaotic HSTS even though I know he's a raging misogynist

No. 1992273

>>1992125
The chaotic hsts is so accurate, place like Atlanta is crawling with them.

No. 1992275

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>>1992125
KEK nona you are the best ♥

No. 1992276

>>1992267
>Kind of want to protect chaotic HSTS
I get it, the one non-AGP troon i knew was some gay kid from HS who was trafficked as a minor and constantly hung out with dangerous men. He was chaotic HSTS through and through. Everyone around him (us) was extremely homophobic, it was obvious his 'transition' came along things like prostitution and being singled out for being effeminate. HSTS troons like this are among the few TiMs i actually feel like defending and being concerned about, you could argue they were child victims of gender ideology before it was even mainstream.

No. 1992279

>>1992248
Yeah. I couldn't get as granular as I would have liked with the AGPs, but I did my best. It's a bit tough since AGPs from all walks of life are prone to pseudo-intellectualism.

No. 1992286

>>1992125
next thread pic for sure.

No. 1992296

>>1992279
Is neutral HSTS based on anyone in particular?

No. 1992306

>>1992125
is there a TIF chart too? can you post it?

No. 1992326

>>1992125
I love this

No. 1992327

??????(lost newfag)

No. 1992390

>>1992296
NTA but Jazz Jennings to a T

No. 1992398

>>1992125
which one would Dylan Mulvaney be in? Neutral enby X chaotic AGP?

No. 1992438

>>1992152
It’s fucking stupid because these shorts were really trendy back then, almost like trooning out is now.

No. 1992445

>>1992438
they better not bring these fucking shorts back. I already saw a HS girl in the grocery store wearing a skirt with jeans under it with chunky sandals and it was so jarring. these shorts remind me of middle school and i do not look back fondly on those days kek

No. 1992604

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It's hilarious witnessing absolute consoomers(some of whom I know were once die-hard HP fans) make a complete U-turn and behave as if it's the most worst thing imaginable and that they've always known about it. `

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No. 1992621

>>1992604
I interacted with people who really think like this and it's funny how they are always fans of authors that are actually "problematic" like they describe but don't seem like they understand what they just read or make excuses for these (male) authors, a big example is Lovecraft. Poor guy, he is just a product of his time and he deeply regretted it all in the end, don't you know…

No. 1992630

>>1991543
I mean the behaviors like ogling and salivating makes them think they are male in the first place, such as thinking they are the very creepy men other women hate and want to avoid.

No. 1992643

>>1992125
>9 out of 9 in the tim chart is influenced by the internet or politics
>8 out of 9 in the tif chart is influenced by the internet or politics
Make 1 more row of "trutrans" harry benjamin tims to make the leveling field even.

No. 1992655

>>1992248
>blaire white
>lawful HSTS is a tranny hooker with a christian necklace

No. 1992667

>>1992621
Lovecraft: So racist he even called his cat "n-" and said they should stay away from white people.

Everybody: Oh it was product of his time.

JK Rowling: Women should stay safe of TIMs

Everybody: She's literal Hitler!

No. 1992687

>>1992621
Extra annoying when they act like this because the extent of Lovecraft's racism and xenophobia was not normal for his time period at all. Like his level of fixation is weird even for Jim Crow-era America.

No. 1992713

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>>1992125
The neutral HSTS is Jazz?

No. 1992725

>>1992713
Holy smokes he's a fucking unit now

No. 1992731

>>1992725
He's like three units kek.

No. 1992736

>>1992604
the way these people act you would think JKR is Literally Hitler and not a past DV victim advocating to keep men out of women's spaces. it's jarring to think about how this was a non-controversial opinion a mere 10-20 years ago. it's almost hilarious how these same idiots typically have nothing to say about other ~controversial~ media figures (Johnny Depp, Brad Pitt, etc.) so long as they beat their wives.

>Harry Potter books are full of racism, xenophobia

holy fuck, i'm not even an HP fan, but it's obvious she's calling attention to how bad these things are. i suppose you would need to have reading comprehension skills better than a four-year-old's to understand, so that explains why gendies can't process this.

>antisemitism

if you see a strange, mythical creature who operates a bank and immediately think "Jew!!" then maybe you're the antisemite

No. 1992737

>>1992125
>The giant hands with Laful HSTS
Kekkkk nonnie,ily this is great

No. 1992745

>>1992713
I genuinely feel terrible for this poor creature

No. 1992810

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Someone was pointing out the extremely high rates of sex offenders among TiMs in the replies to a JKR tweet. Troons swarmed to accuse the poster of lying and one of them posted these numbers. Do they not realize how their own propaganda contradicts them? A child could look at these numbers and immediately tell rates of sex offenses are much higher for TiMs (58.9% for TiMs vs 3% for women). In fact they even surpass men (16%). I'm sure the numbers would be much higher for men if we correctly prosecuted rapes and SA but it does say something that troons are abnormally prone to antisocial conduct when it comes to sex, even by moid standards. If i was a TiM i'd crawl back to my mancave and never ever bring up politics after seeing how i belong to one of the most rapey demographics ever.

No. 1992821

>>1992810
They think anything negative about troons is made up propaganda. Even the "best" retort I've seen against this stat is that those trans women aren't actually trans women but men claiming to be trans after they're convicted which makes no sense given their self-id worldview. You can find more news articles of TIMs being arrested for sexual crimes than about them being murdered/hate crimed but you won't see them saying there's a trans rapist epidemic. A single story of a troon getting murdered means there's a literal genocide happening though, so convenient.

No. 1992878

>>1992810
Why’re they pretending to have no idea about this? I understand some of them are ashamed of their rapeape compatriots and are seeking to distance themselves, because they’re not like other men, but they didn’t actually change reality by putting on a dress. Just because they claimed oppression doesn’t mean they escaped from the predators in their ranks. The predators are still there just using these morons as cover.
The only way for them to fix this is to start policing their own community but they won’t do that because they’re all sexual deviants sexually harassing people by wearing their fetish in public and they can’t draw attention to it because then they’d have to confront the fact they’re still men acting like men.

No. 1993406

>>1992125
>protect
The HSTS guys

>send to psych ward for treatment

Neutral enby, neutral AGP

>kill

The rest

No. 1993500

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Does anyone else hate this pipeline?

No. 1993503

I honestly need some help understanding the whole troon issue and hopefully this isn't too off topic for this thread since it is vent-y. I am legitimately autistic and can naturally fall into black and white thinking for other issues. I have spent a lot of time working on consciously trying to not go into those kinds of thought patterns when I encounter new ideas and I feel like I have gotten quite good at recognizing them everywhere. Obviously there are lots of issues with gender ideology but at this point in my life I just cannot bring myself to hate all troons or go full TERF. Even if a troon obviously isn't the exact same as a woman or there are a lot of annoying ones I can't tell them how to live their life and cannot hate them or wish them harm because of their choices. I don't like it when people tell me how to live my life so I feel like I can't do the same to others. I do feel isolated on various issues like this because generalizing feels like a cop out and I hate it when people do it to me. I know there are lots of desisters and detrans here so I understand why things are the way they are. I just feel like I'm too autistic to be autistic if that makes sense.

No. 1993507

>>1993500
Not really seeing what you mean by “pipeline”, she looks better

No. 1993509

>>1993500
what’s it, tomboy to trans to hyperfeminine pipeline? or something

No. 1993513

>>1993503
it’s men in womanface, for one. can you see the problem with blackface?

if they kept it to themselves, that would be one thing, but we’re forced to enable their weird fetish and let them into our spaces because of it.

No. 1993516

>>1993503
Gender critical isn't founded on hatred in the first place. There is no need to believe in a black and white good and evil to disagree with the ideology. Many of them are indeed well-meaning ordinary people trying to cope with body dysmorphia and internalised homophobia/misogyny. So? what Their core belief system is wrong. You don't have to agree with it to be understanding or sympathetic to them.
>>1993509
Yes, that's what I meant. The "self I was made to be" comment in which she now is wearing a form fitting low-cut dress is what mostly irked me.

No. 1993518

>>1993500
Was she just an enby or something? Did she think dressing in a more stereotypically way makes her more woman than how she was in the first picture? I don't really see a journey here, rather just a woman who decided to glow up and stop styling herself in an unflattering way that hides her body, which i support if she is genuinely happy like this.
>>1993503
This thread is made specifically for venting on this issue so you're good. I am autistic too, but the thing that peaked me is learning about how harmful hrt and srs was and learning about agps. I don't actually wish all troons death, i don't even think the most hardcore terfs really thing that either since many of them can still be reformed. The idea that gender critical people hate troons is a narrative that troons push to get more people to feel sorry for them and to demonise the opposition no matter how logical the said opposition is. After learning that there is a whole entire industry that seeks to squeeze money out of people who need serious mental help by encouraging them to mutilate themselves instead of helping them build coping mechanisms and learn to love themselves, i can't support such a thing in any capacity, along with the fact that so much of trans rights concerning mtf seek to override the safety and boundaries of females, whilst males seem to be left unscathed in the matter. All the hate that trans people get is largely because of the content of their character because a lot of them present with blatant narcissistic traits.

No. 1993520

>>1993500
i don't think the cut of her dress is complimenting her body type but she looks so much better without the gross enby look. I always hated the gum wall too

No. 1993544

>>1993520
>gross enby look
How the hell is that a "gross enby look"? She just looks relatively comfortable and vaguely GNC, wtf. We are never making it outta here

No. 1993545

>>1993513
I guess I feel like I cannot personally think of it as blackface since for a lot of troons it doesn't seem like a joke or intentional mockery and they are legitimately distressed. Yes there is usually harmful stereotypes involved but most don't seem to be doing that particular aspect of their transition maliciously from what I can tell.
>>1993516
This mostly makes sense, thank you. I still struggle confidently saying that all troons simply have internalized homophobia or normal BDD if some feel cured from transition. Who am I to say? Maybe none really do and its all a lie but how can one know for sure?
>>1993518
The AGP issue is the worst one for me I think. Seeing the 4chan /lgbt/ board and what is said there disgusts me. I think you're right that there is a system that preys on people but it feels wrong to say that I know what's best for everyone. I met an MTF troon IRL once who seemed normal enough and now I feel like I still associate gender stuff with them even when the communities I'm in get ruined from AGPs. It feels wrong for me to hold absolute opinions that would prevent someone like that from living their life in a way that works for them. Sometimes I feel like my problem is that I don't hold stronger convictions on topics that I don't consider important above all else.

Also thank you for the replies. I'm not trying to argue a side (I don't have one) this is just helping me think through this whole thing outside of affirmation bubbles. This topic is so toxic and hopefully I am not seeming that way. It feels like I'm considered an evil GC in some places and some kind of troon apologist in others. I think having a strong anti-troon culture on the farms is important regardless since it seems like the only way to keep the AGPs from taking over.

No. 1993558

>>1992033
>>1991543
Can confirm as an actual bisexual who has been historically more attracted to women than men. I got in so many weird situations when I was younger meeting women off online dating platforms or through the local 'queer' community who pretended to flirt with me only to later admit they found even the idea of kissing another woman viscerally disgusting, but they continued to performatively call themselves 'gay' on social media and in their social groups for more clout. I know there's a lot of bi hate in women's homosexual groups for good reasons but ironically most of the girls I knew that called themselves 'bi' actually were (as in dating, sleeping with women, obviously attracted to women) and most lesbians were actually lesbian, but women who called themselves 'queer,' 'pan' or 'gay' were usually just straight girls LARPing. Now there's a new breed of straight women dating TIMs who also call themselves lesbians though so not even the lesbian label is safe.

No. 1993559

>>1993545
>I still struggle confidently saying that all troons simply have internalized homophobia or normal BDD if some feel cured from transition.
I actively chose to say "dysmorphia" rather than "dysphoria" because I didn't feel like defending my use of their lingo if someone took it to mean I believe in gender-souls. But take body integrity dysphoria, for example- there are those who feel a disconnect with their bodies and like they have a limb that does not belong, they might indeed be satisfied and happier after an amputation. Does this mean that they were born with too many limbs?

No. 1993562

>>1992235
I basically know two types of women who do this, the first is the typical kweer/TIF/whatever variety that just thinks being straight is not cool and want the social clout of calling themselves queer, but the other kind is women with really bad trauma issues from dating men who start dabbling in the idea of being gay or 'a kinsey 5' because they've been so traumatized by dating men. I actually have a friend who went through this recently after another abusive moid dumped her and acted abusive toward her, where her therapist for some reason floated the idea of her being lesbian actually and she ran with it, even changing her whole wardrobe to try to be 'lesbian coded.' I suspected it was just a weird mental issue and indeed, a few months after insisting she's totally lesbian and wants to meet girls she still spergs with extreme specificity about her standards in men and how and why she finds specific males in the media hot and has said absolutely nothing of the kind about any woman, aside from occasionally remembering she's supposed to be lesbian now and saying something offhandedly about wanting to meet girls. She's not a TIF but I think some of these women if they were a little younger when the trans thing took off would probably become some sort of enby or non-transitioning TIF as well just because trauma around their heterosexual relationships.

I wish it was more common for women to talk to other women and younger girls about how traumatic not just female puberty and treatment of young women/beauty standards are but also about how dark it can be to date men because I think a lot of women end up confused and trying to take refuge in the 'queer' movement because they weren't prepared for how hating shitty men and heterosexual relationship dynamics is a normal thing for straight women to experience.

No. 1993565

>>1993500
Looks like she lost weight and decided she was now attractive enough to be female. I'll die on the hill that weight issues (and subsequent discomfort with/disassociation from the body) is a massive contributing factor to girls trooning out.

No. 1993568

>>1993558
Honest opinion: Some women who call themselves gay might do this for this reason, it's not always yaoi brainrot. These women tend to be tifs who are the "gay trans man" type, overlapping with the autohomoerotic ones.

No. 1993569

>>1992810
If you assume all those MTFs are in women's prisons that means that just by putting the 129 troons in a women's prison they increase the number of sex offenders in that prison by more than 50%… and those 76/201 male sex offenders now in a women's prison are much more likely to be able to rape adult women in prison than the 125 women are.

No. 1993571

>>1993516
To me this looks like a very young girl who probably had body image issues/didn't feel very attractive hitting age 19/20 and realizing that she actually can be conventionally attractive and embracing it. A lot of the enby/TIF type girls I knew when I was younger weren't even gay or GNC in any real way, but were just insecure about their looks and felt they couldn't 'match up' to expectations for attractive women. She might be one of those types. I went through this too even though I was not straight and had a fairly 'GNC' personality and interests - I leaned into dressing masculine and covering up my body mostly due to insecurity and feeling I couldn't be attractive, then went through a late teens/early 20s phase of dressing like the stereotypical hot girl when I got over my awkward phase.
>>1993565
Yeah I think either weight issues or hitting puberty earlier than other girls and getting made fun of for your big boobs/butt/curviness before you have grown into them facially is a lot of what causes early/mid teens girls to troon out or at least dress GNC and avoid stereotypical gender presentation and boys (even when they're straight). Just because she's dressing like that for presumably a college party or something now doesn't necessarily mean she's femininitymaxxing and thinks she needs to dress like a bimbo all the time, she might have just started liking her body.

No. 1993575

>>1993544
IKR, where is all this libfem bs coming from? Go back to slutwalk.

No. 1993577

>>1993544
Agree, she just needed to either lose the skirt or get a different length cut, otherwise she looked fairly cute and put together. Beanie + jacket + pants is not a "gross enbie" look.

No. 1993579

>>1993500
>"go back"
>wearing a skirt in the first picture
>detrans
lol. if anything she just did some tiktok looksmaxx-for-girls shit, lost a bunch of weight, and became hyperfeminine. people like this lack a sense of self and don't develop beyond what they think people want them to be, she just found a different ruleset to follow, the lack of self esteem is still present.

No. 1993581

>>1992125
I recognize No-Dong Jones, Jazz, and Blaire. Who are the others? Does anyone know?

No. 1993585

>>1993503
>>1993545
It's not off-topic for this thread and I used to be where you were at with this so I will take a crack at it. I don't think it is a requirement of being GC to 'hate all troons' although I think a lot of GC women naturally start hating all troons either because they have negative experiences with them all irl or because once they start expressing 'terfier' views online or in person they get attacked by even the seemingly benign, 'good' kinds of troons for their fairly straightforward feminist opinions. For me personally I used to be more amenable to some aspects of gender ideology and have a ton of trans-identified friends/acquaintances but as soon as I started expressing certain GC views I was relentlessly attacked and hounded by even the most benign seeming trans-identified acquaintances, and realized that no matter how many times you want to give an inch they will take a mile and still demand more. I'm the same anon who mentioned on the last thread I had a party where a bunch of TIF/enby girls were discussing a male enby rapist and the only male enby at the party started freaking out at these TIF/nb girls for calling the rapist 'he,' completely bulldozing the entire conversation about a serial rapist to make his feelings matter more than the feelings of his victims. The troons who seem benign will usually let the mask slip at some point and show that they really don't give a shit about women's and children's rights, safety or feelings and once you have been in that position enough times a lot of GC women give up on trying to befriend or give the benefit of the doubt to 'the good ones.'

But on a more theoretical level, you can't tell people how to live their lives, but those people will probably at some point tell you how you can live your life. Try to introduce laws to take protections and safeguarding away from women legally, or implement laws like C16 in Canada that made it legally punishable not to use someone's preferred pronouns. Which means that women who don't believe men are women are compelled by law to lie to themselves and others publicly that they think these men are women. If it wasn't a zero-sum game that would be one thing but most of these people when you agitate for their right to 'live the way they want' won't do the same for you.

Then there's the grooming aspect - especially of children but adults too - where the medical and pharma industries are lying that puberty blockers are safe and reversible or SRS surgeries give safe and usable results when they don't. This starts being promoted to children, mentally ill people, and just people too stupid to know that the medical industry is lying to them. The only long term studies in existence show that a couple years post-SRS most troons are actually more miserable and suicidal than they were before, because they realized how badly they fucked up their bodies and now they have nonfunctioning genitals, can never orgasm, and a ton of other health issues they can never come back from on top of never being perceived as the sex they want to be perceived as. Also many countries are making taxpayers pay for these surgeries. If someone had full informed consent to get SRS and paid for it out of pocket, it would only be as much of a problem as someone with BID getting a doctor to amputate a healthy limb (which is illegal in most countries btw), but it's so much worse than that because they are lied to about the outcomes and usually taking HRT and cutting out their reproductive organs causes even worse systemic body issues than just amputating a limb would. Early onset osteoporosis, hormonal issues, cognitive issues, etc.

Re: the blackface comparison, is blackface accepted when it's not 'intentional' mockery? Not in our current society. A man doesn't have to think he's mocking a woman to make a mockery of womanhood by being a misogynist and applying misogynistic stereotypes and trying to enact them with skirt go spinny and programmer socks, but it's insulting to actual women anyway. It's a man trying to coopt and appropriate women's experiences using only the most offensive and surface-level markers of femininity. Even if it's not malicious most people take issue with people non-maliciously pretending to be another race, like Rachel Dolezal, who ironically tried to do more for her local black community than 99.999% of troons ever try to do for actual women. Because if you're not black, you don't know what it's like to be black, and if you're not female, you don't know what it's like to be female. Even the fact that you think you can know is insulting and is making a mockery of the people you're LARPing as.

You can't know for sure that zero troons really feel cured from transition but it's interesting that on the rare occasions research has been done, they are worse off post-medical transition than they were before. Again ask yourself why we don't publicly fund skin darkening/lightening for people who think they 'would feel better' as another race, liposuction for anorexics, or amputations for people with BID.

If you met a nice HSTS or AGP once I don't think GC ideology tells you that you need to instantly hate them and think they're evil, many mentally disordered and delusional people might be nice people at the end of the day. But ask yourself if they can really become the opposite sex, and if not, how much should other people be legally and socially forced to treat them like they are the opposite sex? Did the 'nice' troon you know want people to treat them this way under force of legal violence or social censure? If a troon wants to present as 'the opposite sex' but is completely fine with everyone not treating them that way, then maybe they are less problematic than the rest, but I've found that no troon I've ever talked to is actually OK with just letting other people live as they want, being cordial with people who don't treat them as the sex they're 'presenting' as, don't want any additional legal rights, etc.

No. 1993592

>>1993585
Samefag and I already wrote a novel but if you genuinely think one of the troons you know is 'one of the good ones' then I would try expressing whatever terven views you have openly around them and see how they react. Try saying 'I know you're not doing it on purpose but the way you're presenting looks like an offensive caricature of femininity I don't identify with' or try saying 'males have no right to be in women's bathrooms/changing rooms/prisons because no matter how you all present males are statistically more likely to sexually predate upon women and are physically stronger and women's class rights to safe single sex spaces trump yours.' Or try telling him 'if women look at you and their brains think you're male it's normal and reasonable for them to not use your preferred pronouns and talk about you as a man.' Or ask him 'if gender and sex are separate things then what does it matter if you get surgeries or hormones to look more like the other sex' or whatever your 'terfy' view might be. If the troon reacts in good faith treating you just as well as he did before and doesn't think he has the right to override women in their own spaces, maybe you really found the magical good one. If you're too afraid to even try this around him I think you got your answer already.

No. 1993598

>>1993545
I fully get why you're uneasy with generalizations as an autistic person, but recognizing patterns is okay and important. It is not a generalization when GCs point out most troons are driven by fetish, it's just an observable fact, and it doesn't exclude other factors and personal trajectories.
>they are legitimately distressed
That's right, but being legitimately distressed doesn't negate the presence of a fetish based around consuming and objectifying womanhood. It makes perfect sense that men who let their fetish consume their life are distressed. Bear in mind that this distress is often not directly caused by their trans identity. Body dysmorphia, trauma, addictions, being an incel, feeling inadequate are all blamed on their trans struggle. It's a perverse way of shielding their poor choices from critique or a terrible coping mechanism, depending on how you look at it. I cannot stress enough how AGP is common, i've known so many soft guys who seemed alright and distressed by their 'gender' only to see them describe their disgusting fetish once they felt comfortable enough. Yes, even the ones who didn't do 'womanface' or acted lewd or were transbians. The starting point is always 'woman = slut, i want to be slut'. These 'okay TiMS' wouldn't ever bring up their fetish or attempt transition 30 years ago, because they're well-adjusted enough to not let it destroy everything (keep in mind that most AGPs keep it at home). Still, they are men who take advantage of the current context to live out a fantasy at the expense of women. The only ones who never showed such signs were blatantly gay moids, which aligns pretty well with the AGP/HSTS dichotomy. It sounds simplistic, but male sexuality can often be extremely stereotypical and predictable.

No. 1993602

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No. 1993616

>>1993598
You made a very good point that in most cases TIMs are driven by legitimate mental distress caused by their own degeneracy, but even if it wasn't degeneracy driving them 'legitimate distress' is such a bad excuse for trying to force other people to play along with your delusions. I am legitimately distressed that as a woman I am physically weaker and less able to defend myself from moids than moids are, but that distress has nothing to do with how people 'see' me and everything to do with the fact that I literally just don't have the punch strength, grip strength, speed etc. that moids do. No amount of begging for people to 'see me' as I would like to be seen will make me competitive with male sprinters or high jumpers or boxers. I am legitimately distressed that I was skinny and pretty for most of my life but got fat due to PCOS and hypothyroidism, but people would think I was legitimately cognitively delayed if I demanded that everyone treat me like a 'skinny person' whatever that means now that I gained weight, and made clothes that fit me that say they're size 00 or were attracted to me the way they are to 110lb women. No amount of feeling legitimately distressed about your physical reality changes your physical reality, and most other people with good reasons for legitimate distress know that and don't expect people to pretend they're, e.g., skinny, or NOT paraplegic/in a wheelchair, or NOT blind, or NOT as fast a runner as the next person, or whatever. Most "legitimate" social causes revolve around people who are honest about their physical and social reality asking for accommodations for that physical and social reality so they are not excluded from society more than they absolutely have to be, they're not asking to literally be included in things they can't possibly be included in. Every other social movement for people distressed about their reality revolves around somewhat improving their reality, not making everyone else play an elaborate childlike game of pretend with them. Paraplegics get to play basketball in their own competitions where they can play in a wheelchair if they're actually fit and strong enough to do that, not play pretend basketball games where people pretend they're running around on 2 legs. This is literally the only mainstream social movement I can think of where the cure for the 'legitimate distress' of a supposedly disenfranchised person is to pretend they are something they're not.

>>1993602
Average looking girl making an annoying facial expression becomes somewhat more attractive average looking girl by smiling. Wow!

No. 1993649

>>1993602
Is OP in the picture not making a joke about nb? Because it's almost like the Lois and they/them pills meme, can't believe she' not self aware

No. 1993654

>>1993649
I assumed they're not making fun just because I've seen so many gender people post shit like this unironically. Not the anon who intially posted this so idk for sure but I unironically know women in real life who act like this/post stuff like this.

No. 1993907

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I have half an idea how tumblr just became the perfect breeding ground for trans rights activism. At its peak, it's a fandom blogging site with most users being loser girls who care too much about fiction and lack of conforming with irl peers. In marketing, the word "tribe" means a group of people with the same beliefs, affinities and interests. Thanks to our centuries of lizard brain, people tend to personally connect and champion their "tribes". We feel attacked if our perceived tribe is attacked, and we feel rewarded if our perceived tribe get good things etc. Tumblr easily became a tribe for awkward/autistic girlies who just don't fit in, and inclusivity and understanding naturally follows. There's a culture for being terminally online/fandom addiction, self-deprecating humor, and NLOGism. And to fit in in this new tribe, you had to internalize that. And when the tribe culture is built on not fitting in, you'd have shit escalating like otherkin, transing as the other gender, neogenders/neopronouns etc. It doesn't matter that it uses unquantifiable experiences to tell they're real, everyone has to accept this group of people who don't fit in anywhere, and with the definition so vague, you can be trans, the cool new kid, too. Anyway this is partially my experienced, I ticked a few boxes here. I was bullied and ostracized in school and still working through my awkwardness/mild social anxieties in my adulthood. Tumblr felt like an addicting self-deprecating bucket. I was an NLOG, and at some point I even questioned my gender until I realized that I just like thinking about boys because I'm a straight woman kek. And then I peaked realizing that the tim who sent me genderbent porn to hint that he's a tim groomed me as 5 years his junior.

No. 1994021

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what a load of bs

No. 1994029

I know this is by far not the worst troon crime, but it really annoys me when TRA act like troonism allows people to "dress how they want". They literally cosplay as the opposite sex using clothes, saying they "look like a woman so therefor this man IS a woman". They're just reinforcing gender stereotypes harder than ever.

And it always raises an eyebrow when tims say they always just wanted to dress in cute clothes like girls do and that men's fashion is so boring in comparison… yet they at literally no point in their lives tried to seek out cute or fun men's fashion. It exists too, they never had to cosplay as a woman but for some reason they chose to. Neither did they ever try to make or advocate for cute men's clothes to be produced - for some reason the answer for them is always "take the female's stuff and pretend to be a female".

No. 1994107

>>1994021
The entire time I was reading gwenfrankenstein's post, I was nodding along and thinking, that is super fucked up that we do that to young child dancers, we should not be altering these children's bodies in ways that result in life long pain and disabilities just because they told their parents that they want to dance. They do not understand what they are asking and we need to control the sport so that no children are pressured into this lifelong commitment so young. So imagine my absolute shock when she finished that up with "And permanently altering children's bodies is done in dance, so it's totally okay to do with trans children." instead of coming to the normal person conclusion of dance needs to be controlled more strictly so that this doesn't happen just because a kid wanted to learn how to dance.

No. 1994125

>>1994029
Do they just wanted to be femboys or are they the ones who want a neovagina and bolted on tits?

No. 1994133

>>1992267
>>1992276
i agree fully. i also can't bring myself to hate lawful hsts, i kind of love them.

No. 1994150

>>1994133
faghag behaviour kek
but for real though, the troons that admit they are their real sex and basically just crossdress under the label of trans are a lot easier to accept and to have some compassion for. I can accept blaire white for example since he says tims are a type of men, it's still a bit icky to see men cosplay women caricatures but if a gay guy wants to play dress up then sure. But troons like him are hated by most of the trans community

No. 1994180

>>1993406
>>1992267
>>1992276
>>1993503
>>1994133
TRAs will scream about how VIOLENT!! and EVIL!! TERFs are, but when women are presented the opportunity to anonymously be as vitriolic as they want to their ideological enemies, they still offer empathy and compassion. meanwhile, TIMs will jump at the opportunity to post about how they will gladly rape and brutalize any woman that disagrees with their rhetoric.

No. 1994220

hsts are still men and can be just as mysogynistic as straight men but atleast they're not trying to rape lesbians with their girldicks like agps so there's that

No. 1994221

>>1994150
>troons like him are hated by most of the trans community
because they stand by their (correct) beliefs and aren't swayed by the whining of "their community". that's why i like them

No. 1994234

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>>1992125
does anyone have the chart like this one but with TIFs? I remember there being a blue-haired MHA fan, one that was just a woman who doesn't wear skirts, etc. here's another TIM one I had saved as payment

No. 1994239

>>1994234
>should have just bought a sports car
KEKKK all these are spot on but the hon is my favorite read

No. 1994241

>>1994234
>not like other guys
this phenomenon needs to be talked about more. this type of moid is so much more infuriating than NLOGs tbh

No. 1994248

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>>1994234
this one?

No. 1994250

>>1994234
> traumatised his kids when they caught him in a dress
> wife is currently divorcing him
KEK hon made me laugh so hard

No. 1994264

why the fuck is everyone cool with slang like 'c*nt' and 'fishy'? i get they started with drag culture, but those aren't males' slurs to take back, even if they dress as women. if white women/non-woc want around calling things 'n-word-y' and claimed it's fine because they're also oppressed, it would clearly NOT be fine - why do guys always get a free pass?(integrate, don't self censor)

No. 1994365

>>1994264
I've seen that too here in lc, they use btch and cnt like is a comma. At first I thought it was a bunch of fagots but it seems that an influx of tiktoktards and twittfags teenagers are coming to the "radfem IB" for some autistic reason. As someone from a shithole country is bizarre to say the least wanting to "take back" a slur, you don't see people of african descent wanting to take back the n-word, even faggots don't call themselves fagggots in the open so women deluding themselves into thinking they can "take back and own" misogynistic slurs is maximum retardation.(integrate, don't self censor)

No. 1994370

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No. 1994376

>>1994365
>At first I thought it was a bunch of fagots but it seems that an influx of tiktoktards and twittfags teenagers are coming to the "radfem IB"
>>censoring bitch and cunt
There's no way you seriously think it's the newfags who use words like bitch. I swear some of you have no idea what site you're on.

No. 1994378

>>1994376
There was a good chunk of time when users weren't using b*tch, not all of LC is pt/snow/w

No. 1994387

>>1994378
NTA but what happened to anons getting banned for self-censoring? I don’t like the word bitch either but being too much of a faggot to just type it out is embarrassing as hell

No. 1994392

>>1994387
I will not use misogynistic language I don't give a fuck how you feel

No. 1994395

>>1994392
Ok, good for you. But don’t larp as anything other than a newfag

No. 1994404

>>1994378
Lmao, ok sure anon.

No. 1994430

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>>1992125
>lawful agp
KEKKKKK you're a genius

No. 1994516

>>1994248
nona this one is good too
>>1994370
but this is the one I was looking for!! Thank you ♥

No. 1994519

>>1994378
anon the thought police aren't gonna show up at your door because you typed bitch on an anonymous website. all self-censoring does is out you as a retard

No. 1994541

>>1994392
bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch(infighting)

No. 1994559

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>>1994234
Hon looks exactly like this tiktok troon

No. 1994603

>>1994541
Jesus the bar for what's considered infighting is so low now

No. 1994613

>>1994603
All bans have their threshold lowered recently it feels like

No. 1994835

>>1994220
some hsts like laverne cox still support rapists too even if they're not committing the act themselves

No. 1994874

>>1992621
>>1992687
And you can’t even “separate the art from the artist” with Lovecraft because his writing is infused with his beliefs. He was obsessed with race-mixing and the ‘monsters’ that would result from it. The fish people from The Shadow over Innsmouth, with their bulging eyes, wide thick-lipped mouths and wide flat noses, are meant to invoke black people. Vile man.
Anyway, the house elves in Harry Potter are as much an allegory for battered housewives as slavery. JKR directly references SPEW (the Society for Promoting the Employment of Women), an early feminist organisation. In my opinion she did a pretty good job capturing the widespread societal apathy towards the oppression and exploitation of women, as well as the patriarchal brainwashing that keeps women complicit in it. It hasn’t escaped me that the people criticising JKR’s depiction of house elves are the same people chanting ‘sex work is work’ and perpetuating the happy hooker myth.

No. 1994878

>>1994021
>cut his hair, buy a new wardrobe
Jesus, do these people listen to themselves? "Hurr durr boy is when short hair and boy clothes," meanwhile there are thousands of little girls who also have short hair and wear "boy" clothes because they are tomboys and naturally gravitate towards that.

No. 1994998

I can understand that some men prefer to dress in a feminine way. Or they see themselves as so feminine that they're a true and honest woman. They choose a female name and wear female clothes so they can LARP. OK. Fine.

It becomes a problem for me when they bring their LARP into single sex spaces. Especially DV shelters - how entitled do you have to be to demand that traumatised women prioritise YOUR feelings above their very real problems? A woman who has been beaten and raped by a member of YOUR sex, in a phenomenon that all societies have recognised since the beginning of time, and that modern statistics show is an unfortunate reality? Sex is a reality that even transcends species; almost all life on earth has a clear distinction between male and female… and you want us to ignore that so you can roleplay as the woman of your dreams?

I don't want to "genocide" trans people, either. If you have a pathological need to LARP as the opposite sex full time then you need to accept that society will place you in a third category. Your biology is neither male nor female due to the modifications you have made to it. Create your own sports leagues, DV shelters, hospital wards, dating sites etc. No one wants to kill you. You're just butthurt we don't see you as a true and honest woman. Grow up and understand not everyone sees you in the positive light you see yourself. Sex discrimination is necessary to give men and women equal opportunities to succeed in society.

People finding your existence disgusting is something you have to get used to, BTW. Welcome to the experience of every POC or gay person in the world. Since I was old enough to be aware of racism, I have stepped outside with the knowledge that some people in my country wish I hadn't been born. I can't change the color of my skin or my sexuality. But you had to DECIDE to take hormones, get surgery, and live as a woman. You CHOSE to take on an identity that people discriminate against. Welcome to the consequences of your actions!

No. 1995211

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No. 1995246

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Really cool how "life saving care" makes people attempt suicide even more, wow such euphoria, dysphoria cured, another life saved!

I've said it before but if you genuinely hate trans people the absolute best thing you can do to cause them the most amount of harm is too cheer them on and give them what they (think they) want.

No. 1995294

I'm happy this thread exists in ot now but it makes me miss the terf shiba memes in the 2X threads

No. 1995372

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Dead by Daylight tranny that allegedly didn’t know who he was voicing died last week lol

No. 1995397

>>1995372
He knew it was a shapeshifting horror creature, he was just mad that it turned out to be ugly. Which monsters usually are.
Was the rare condition he had related to taking hormones?

No. 1995409

>>1995372
>>1995397
Kek what creature did he voice?

No. 1995412

>>1995294
Just post them here

No. 1995419

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>>1995409
It's called the unknown, a shape shifter that can mimic voices to lure in victims. The default appearance is basic zombie guy but it also has this skin that got some trannies mad

No. 1995432

>>1995419
Wait, this wasn't an edit for the mtf thread?

No. 1995435

>>1995432
Nope it's real.

No. 1995438

>>1995419
they claim to be women but no woman gave a shit about this because women know it's caricatural, they really tell on themselves kek
Also I wonder how hormones influenced his "brain swelling"!

No. 1995439

>>1995419
The developers can play dumb as much as they want, they 100% knew what they were doing kek

No. 1995442

>>1995419
It really looks like the average "sexy" troon posing with weapons and tweeting about killing terves on X.

No. 1995459

>>1995419
the pic is even funnier with the backstory kek please tell me the skin is unchanged

No. 1995461

>>1995372
Sorry for this joke but

maybe he's just planning on coming back as the zombie from the game

No. 1995463

>>1992125
>"black trans woman"
Isn't that the meme talking point for the "most oppressed" class personified?

No. 1995465

>>1995463
>chaotic hsts
I mean. But i can't help wondering about how black tims get actually treated in society.

No. 1996080

>>1995465
They're the ones the white AGP TIMs try to piggyback on and claim they're equally oppressed by. My city once did a newspaper column about trans-identified black people and they tend to be poor, GNC from a young age and gay, and have homophobic families. That said, their problems are a matter of racism and class than their genderfeels, which is what TRAs don't get. Ironically I've run into more black AGPs on social media compared to the HSTS in local communities, which is crazy because you'd think their families would be less accepting of that compared to white TIMs.

No. 1996299

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I go to a gaming bar every Tuesday to play vidya and hang out with friends, on Tuesday they do a Smash Bros tournament. 2 days ago I got to play against the resident TiM, he has unwashed hair with a badly done ponytail, a fat face with a noticeable belly, skinny shirts that make his body more apparent, small facial hair, he wears a pin that says "they/them" but the French version and a rainbow coloured bag. I can only give him credit for not wearing a skirt. To register to this tourney you gotta use a third party site, he has a fucking picrew pfp that is pic related (and yes with that filename), it's very funny.
I'm bad at vidya, I lost and he didn't play unfairly or anything but goddamn, sitting next to that beast was uncomfortable in general. He's always hanging out with a pretty woman that looks like she takes a lot of care of herself, it feels night and day when they're next to each other.

No. 1996354

>>1996080

Makes me wonder about the race & class demographics of troons. It's a common point in GC spaces that troons and enbies tend to come from middle class, white backgrounds. I myself haven't met a gendie who wasn't white. I would love to see statistics on who troons out.

No. 1996365

>>1995246
Are you sure that's not from their already-existing disposition to mental illness?

No. 1996397

>>1994264
>(integrate, don't self censor)
And yet Lolcow admin does exactly this by making /2X/ a hidden board. The irony.

No. 1996436

>>1995211
Does anyone know why there are so many TIFs in law these days? I'm in law school now and there are maybe 2 TIMs in my entire school, but I had a class last semester that had 3 TIFs in it alone. They're all the lesbian→enby→"I'm such a faggot uwu" type. One of my professors is also a TIF, same self-hating lesbian type. There's quite a few prominent legal talking heads who are TIFs as well, Cheese Stringio comes to mind.

No. 1996462

>>1996299
>"goal.png"
that's a low bar and he still can't hit it huh

No. 1996705

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Imagine grieving for imaginary situations.

No. 1996915

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why is the nazi-to-mtf pipeline so common?

No. 1996918

>>1996915
In the case of this news story it's probably just some kid going super far in what he perceives to be 'the opposite direction' to rebel against his shitty racist parents, but I think in most cases it's people who love to self-victimize/think 'modern society' is taking away their entitlements as white men and troonism is just another way to self-victimize and claim everything is women and minorities' fault.

No. 1996934

>>1996915
they’re npcs/sheep jumping from one group to the next. no internal thoughts that aren’t echoing external forces, just a lot of bleating

No. 1996985

>>1996915
And then they always accuse terfs of the same thing. Literal fantasy

No. 1997019

>>1996705
Better abort it imo

No. 1997062

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Ends with him implying his mom should transition

No. 1997065

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Imagine throwing temper tantrums over growing long hair but all of a sudden when it’s associated with men and masculinity it becomes a-ok
The more I come this specific emulation of masculinity the more I find gendered divide absurd (not in a gendie way that’s disgusting)
I also find it with some lesbians, the only reason they present themselves a certain way is because of its association with masculinity but in a world where it was flipped and dresses were considered masculine they would be running around in dresses. Maybe im thinking about it too much

No. 1997069

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>>1996915
Oh this one's interesting. Doesn't seem like your classic raging homosexual or hyper-manly, authority-obsessed AGP. This looks like he was in desperate need for a new set of values, something that worked better for him than the KKK ideology that isolated him and made him look insane. He had to reevaluate his entire value system as an adult (this usually happens earlier), which made him vulnerable to campus LGBTQIA+ woo. He probably got told 'just be yourself! You're okay as you are' and thought it was the most revolutionary and awesome thing ever.

No. 1997167

>>1997069
Isn't this the guy who had a longform article written about him before in the NYT or something? I think I recall this same guy having a whole article about how he befriended Jewish students on campus and stopped agreeing with his parents' KKK views. I agree that this is not the typical case of AGP but someone who's running away from his extremist upbringing.

No. 1997227

>>1997069
Yeah, this is so clearly about grasping for anything that will allow him to shed the stigma of his upbringing.

No. 1997262

From /snow/: TIF claims she called a woman with a "terf bag" a coward and suddenly "cis women" are more dangerous than men.

No. 1997308

>>1997262
I'm confused, do the women who say these women are "too pretty to transition" imply the women in question have much less reason to become tifs than they do?

No. 1997376

>>1997262
Way her boobs bounce around the more annoying and emotional she gets yet she's really owning that fat incel look. She's fucked her hairline

No. 1997377

>>1997308
It's pretty clear a lot of trans people are ugly as fuck and their transition is a reaction to the rejection they face in dating.

No. 1997383

>>1997262
This person really did just rile someone up and then expect to have 0 consequences?

No. 1997387

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>>1997262
These comments are so retarded

No. 1997389

>>1997377
Some of them literally call it transmaxxing

No. 1997390

>>1997065
>>1997062
Can you people please post the .mp4 or the link to the TikTok video at least so we can actually watch instead of getting baited into clicking on a .jpg?

No. 1997391

>>1997389
I call it being retarded

No. 1997392

>>1997387
Even in her made up scenarios the woman aren't being violent and in the pharmacy one it had to be removed because it hung around causing a scene. If a man didn't want you to leave you'd have to put a fucking struggle. I'm sure fatty here would body any woman if she wasn't attention seeking

No. 1997393

>>1997377
This is a pretty obvious trend with hsts troons, especially if they started off doing drag. They get a high from the attention they get dressing as a woman and believe that they are only attractive if they troon out.

No. 1997395

>>1997262
Why would a lesbian attempt to spike this incel looking freak the size of it too and then somehow carry it back to a hotel

No. 1997402

>>1997393
Yea someone posted a clip in an old thread I think it was an Australian talkshow looked 80s or 90s by the fashion and there was a troon and it was acting slutty and bimbolike and then an audience member called it out for being a mockery and it basically just rebuttled with I'm hotter than you. And it's like. Get some self respect. What are you going to do when you're old as fuck going through health complications and you still have to set aside time to dilate unless you've given up and live the rest of your days as a mutilated freak

No. 1997405

>>1997262
I don't believe this woman that she feels genuinely unsafe with 'cis' aka normal women more than she does with men. I don't believe the pharmacist groping her story and maybe I'm a bad person for that but is this really a thing pharmacists are allowed or trained to do? Her acting like women flirting with her over text or calling her 'honey' would make her really scared is retarded and it definitely, for sure, wouldn't make a real man scared.

No. 1997408

>>1997262
pooners are so ugly

No. 1997412

>>1997387
Totally unhinged. Women have like 60% less upper body strength and 40% less lower body strength or something with the same height and weight, and are usually dramatically shorter and lighter than men. Plus women are like 99% less violent than men. These troons really want us to believe they would rather encounter a random lone man in the forest than a woman? Can they try a little harder to make their talking points believable or is it just part of TRA ideology to spew the most unhinged and obvious lies asking for people to believe them?

No. 1997432

>>1997262
>Judge me based on my masculine appearance
>Doods totally think i'm masculine! Taken aback even!
What masculine appearance? She absolutely doesn't look male. She looks like a woman with really bad hirsutism. They would have never attempted a crotch grab if she was so 'masculine' kek, they did it because they knew they could get away with touching a doughy woman on steroids. Honestly i felt pretty bad for her after she listed the comments, because it's a display of the cruelty of women towards women they deem too ugly (not quite human). Men ignore her very existence (like they sometimes ignore lesbians and women they aren't trying to fuck), and she mistakes their neutrality or disregard for a positive attitude. It's genuinely pathetic

No. 1997433

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>>1997392
>>1997405
Besides you can bet $1 that shit would be over tq+ news or pinknews about "a poor trans man was abused by a pharmacist during the day" and many people would have asked to the pharmacist to be fired. I bet she's so ACAB so that's why she didn't report it.

>>1997383
"I'll take a photo of a woman against her will and make it about me and my feelings because the tote bag was a terf one". Of course the consequences are she explaining she's afraid of women for carrying tote bags?

No. 1997444

>>1997432
This is a good point too, no woman in her right mind would be crotch/chest grabbing an actual biological male for fear of having her skull bashed in. I feel bad for her if women are cruel to her but she seems to be displaying just as much cruelty toward other women to the point of lying to all of society that she's more 'genuinely afraid' of 'cis' women than 'cis' men which is 100 percent a lie. Men obviously don't care because most men just ignore women they see as unfuckable unless they're a mom grandma or sister or boss but that doesn't mean they're safer or less of a threat.

No. 1997459

Nonas can I vent I went to a party recently and (I assume based on appearance etc) a gay or bisexual woman who was dressed GNC and appeared to be wearing a very tight sports bra or binder must have spidey sensed I'm bi because she started flirting with me and asking me stuff about my sexual orientation. I was kinda tipsy so I really honestly told her 'no I don't identify as queer I'm a bisexual but I don't like the queer label' and went into a rant about it but she continued to be nice and flirt with me so I was like oh okay she's not TRA enough to be offended at least. Then she went to the host of the party (my friend's long term boyfriend I barely know and who barely speaks English) and started shouting at him about how 'he told her there weren't gonna be queer people at the party so she almost didn't come but he lied!' I had to do damage control and jump into the convo to be like 'this random man I barely know has no idea about my sexual orientation' because he was visibly confused but I don't understand why 'queer' identified people always act like it's super important how they identify and then completely ignore you when you say you hate the queer label. And it made me so uncomfortable how she acted like I 'saved the party' by literally being there while bisexual and the host should have told her in advance the sexual orientations of the people attending. Am I just being oversensitive or is this really weird?

No. 1997468

>>1997459
That's weird as fuck. Don't they also claim "not all queer people like to be called queer"? Then why would be 'problematic' that a bi woman don't like to be called 'queer'? You dodged a bullet, nonna.

No. 1997478

>>1997468
It sucks too because she was really cute and fun to talk to (I'm taken tho so not that I would want to date her) and I was gonna contact her afterwards and keep in touch, but the whole sperg to the party host about 'queer people' after I told her I don't ID as queer made me actually feel afraid of pursuing friendship with her. These people always put me on edge, I am fine with respecting what they call themselves (if they're not literal troons) but when they don't respect what you call yourself and act like everyone in a social group should know your sexual orientation it feels so weirdly objectifying.

No. 1997483

>>1997478
Samefag but I put this in the gender ideology thread even though I'm not sure if she's some kind of enby/TIF or not, she introduced herself with a gender neutral name and the binder but it could just be a GNC girl. I just hate how people who are part of the whole LGBTQIA2SAA+++ ideology never respect when you say 'yeah I don't identify with that' and then you feel like you have to walk on eggshells around them because you don't know if they are raging TRAs or not. I'm lucky that most of the women I dated in the past are now TERFs but I'm scared to even bond with anyone over being LGB because the TQ part seems to take over everything.

No. 1997502

>>1997459
>'saved the party' by literally being there while bisexual
Why do they act like this

No. 1997509

>>1997502
I don't know, they act like the only possible axis along which they can get along with someone is their sexuality or gender expression. Like you don't have any hobbies, interests, opinions or anything you can bond with strangers over except your gender or sexual orientation? The weird irony of this is that earlier in the party I proselytized to some random probably leftist moids I'd never seen before about how awful troonism is and how troons hate homosexuality and they just sat there patiently being like 'oh that is a very interesting perspective I haven't heard before' but then when you meet an actual GNC woman you have to be scared for your life you'll alienate her by not being the right 'kind' of queer even if you probably have a lot more experiences in common and she could probably understand what you're talking about on a more visceral level if she was honest with herself. But instead it becomes this weird anti-bonding experience where being any kind of LGB person becomes so fraught you wish people didn't know you were at all.

No. 1997515

>>1997468
I have a story about 'hate to be called queer' people, I have a friend who is a jazz musician who was hired for a gig at a very famous music school where they were 'celebrating' a black gay jazz musician who was famous in like 1950-1960. The gig consisted of the musicians playing his music and then this female professor talking about his 'history as a queer artist' and then a question session afterward. My friend who knows about and agrees with my terfy views asked during the question session why the professor kept referring to the dead gay musician as 'queer' when it was considered an insult/slur in his time and he probably wouldn't self identify in that way, and the professor straight up said 'yeah he probably would have found it extremely offensive in his time, but he's dead now and we have to look through the modern queer lens.' Never ceases to shock and amaze me how these people pretend self ID is everything until it comes to someone who doesn't ID the way they want to, suddenly then it's 'I don't care that they wouldn't identify them this way, because I do.'

No. 1997521

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>>1997478
>>1997509
If that's the case, then that girl wasn't for you. I wouldn't date someone whose only talk is about gender stuff and nothing else. Gimme your ideas about hobbies or interest or about general news or your fav tv show, at least. Besides if it makes you feel you had to walk under egg shells because "anything you say might sound like a terf would say"?

>>1997515
Not mention also they LOVE to make "trans people were from old times" in an era where everything was homophobic, misogynist, pedophile and much more. Why would you want to claim something was "queer" back then when women didn't even have voice to speak about something? They love to grasping at the straws.

No. 1997526

>>1997521
Yeah nona I wouldn't date her anyway because like I said I'm in a relationship but part of the reason I went to the party was to try to make more new friends after a spell of being kind of solitary. Except the only new people I met worth talking to were scrotes, the 2 women I met who I got into conversations with both seemed like insane genderists (the other one was worse, but also is straight). I just hate that I go to parties now and feel jumpier around women, especially gay women, because they all seem TRA-aligned. I don't need more moid friends, my 2 careers are STEM and music which are full of moids, but whenever I meet women I initially get along with they say something so genderist I am afraid to talk to them anymore.

Trans people from old times is just a retarded take, especially considering that most historical examples are either marginalized/prostituted gay men or women who hid their biosex because they wanted to do a job or hold a position they were passionate about. In one sense I wish we talked about 'old timey' queer people more so we could just highlight the difference between 'trans' males who were usually some form of prostituted child or degenerate like d'Eon versus 'trans' females who were usually just a normal woman who wanted to be a doctor, sailor, biologist, or in the military.

No. 1997530

>>1997515
>yeah he probably would have found it extremely offensive in his time, but he's dead now and we have to look through the modern queer lens
Your friend should have pointed out that this is presentism.

No. 1997532

>>1997408
"Pooner" is misogynistic moidspeak, just call them TiFs.

No. 1997533

>>1997530
Actually he said he tried to call this out but was stopped, academic type events usually have a really strict question-answer structure and he said he got cut off/shut up when he tried to respond. What makes me sadder is no one else there tried to bring it back up and everyone brushed past it. This is my experience of a lot of academia though. When I was doing my PhD I had people in my classes presenting on child gender transition for example using obviously extremely outdated statistics (like that mostly male children transition) and if I brought up that's not even remotely true, profs would say 'that is very interesting but none of us can check the facts right now so let's move on' like everyone in the class didn't have computers right the fuck there.

No. 1997535

>>1996705
They aren't intersex! I hate that they keep trying to hitch their wagons to intersex people. Being born with a DSD is not the same as being a 25-year-old man who decides to take estrogen pills after having a quarter-life crisis.

No. 1997536

>>1997535
Haven't intersex people been complaining for decades that troons should stop using them as a talking point? Why won't they stop.

The only legit context in which to bring up 'intersex' people is males in women's sports like the Rio olympics when 3 men won the 800-meter dash. That's a good example of why troon males shouldn't be in women's sports either, otherwise intersex people have like nothing to do with troons.

No. 1997557

>>1997536
Because some intersex people do believe in the TRA rhetoric, sadly.

No. 1997558

>>1997557
Sure some specific intersex people believe in TRA rhetoric like anyone else does, but most intersex organizations specifically ask not to be conflated with troons because being intersex is a completely different life and experience. They are definitely always trying to inflate this number by including women with PCOS/endo in the 'intersex' label but realistically most actual intersex orgs about actual intersex conditions ask not to be conflated with trans bullshit for a reason. Also probably 90% of the people you see on social media/twitter saying 'I'm intersex and also trans/pro-trans' are just trans, not intersex.

No. 1997566

>>1994835
Exactly. Hsts and gay moids in general will happily sleep with a man that raped a woman and think nothing of it. Faghaggery should be under the realm of pickmeism.

No. 1997567

>>1997566
I used to hang out with gay moids thinking they were safer or better than straight moids and it was absolutely a mistake. I got groped/felt up/sexually touched by gay moids more than I ever did by straight moids and some of those moids later admitted to being bi not gay, they just thought they could get away with it because they're not 'attracted' to women and it worked. I also had gay male 'friends' who tried to steal my boyfriends in the past in weird and fucked up ways, or to convince me that my boyfriends were actually into them and gay and wear down my self esteem. TBF I have a couple gay male friends who are fine normal people but I'm so tired of women pretending gay men in general are our allies or 'safer.' Sometimes they are even more disinhibited because they think not being attracted to women gives them a free pass to mistreat women.

No. 1997578

>>1997532
Or how about we let women speak badly of women with the words they choose instead of trying to censor them

No. 1997596

>>1997578
NTA but why is it so important to you? Every time you as a woman use misogynistic language to "speak badly" of other women, you are, in effect, also talking about yourself. The word "pooner" refers to TIFs' female genitalia, it's the same as calling a woman a cunt. You may speak badly of "pooners", but in the eyes of the men using the word on 4chan, you are indistinguishable from them. You are the pooner.

No. 1997597

This is a bit of a (positive) vent, but I used to be upset over how long detrans legal cases take. I want people who got harmed to get some justice and for the medical practitioners to get sued to hell and hopefully go to jail as soon as possible. Today I realized the fact that all the legal stuff has taken 2-3 years is a good thing because the world has been peaking more and more during that time, so the more time that passes the more likely it is that they'll actually win. There are peaked terfs today who were still deep into TRA just 2 years ago. It's suddenly given me more hope for them all.

No. 1997598

>>1997596
So are you then, since you also now used the word pooner to describe a woman. Check mate fellow cunt!

No. 1997615

>>1997262
Flirting with me to upset me?
Calling me dear to upset me?
Sending kisses to upset me?

I couldn't imagine living such a life of professional victimisation that someone drops a X on the end of a sentence and you freak out like that

No. 1997631

How do you feel about women who mog TIFs?

No. 1997634

>>1997596
A pooner used to be a female 4chan user. There was one sperg who came to the boards and said all women are poons (so are "your mom/sis/wife/daughter"), as much as i remember, followed by another moid replying they dont care if their relatives trooned. Brutal.
But for insults such as tranny or troon is rarely thrown around among normies though. Misogyny is brutal nonas.

No. 1997635

>>1997596
Because nonas been cheating by mogging tifs without trooning out to be a more true and honest man for some reason kek

No. 1997636

>>1997631
TiFs cheated so they should be mogged to be fair

No. 1997639


No. 1997643

>>1997639
nta but I think she means women who without any sort of Testosterone or binding are still more masculine then TIFs.

No. 1997649

>>1997631
Last week a young girl accused me of being a "boy in the girl's bathroom" while I was out waiting to meet a tif I'm friends with. I want to be smug about it but then again children believe that women is when pink and long hair.

No. 1997657

>>1997649
You feel smug a child dragged you and said you like like a man?

No. 1997692

>>1997631
It's hilarious. Women being tall or looking naturally masculine are often shielded from total female socialization, they can't afford to be uguu smol princess and this is reflected in their behavior (though some try to retain femininity with a taller bf or something). I think this is why there are so many tiny and very girly TiFs, they try to 'restore' the balance by adopting superficially masculine traits. They approach it in a very feminine way too, agonizing over identity and aesthetics, when a girl who was barred from feminine competition might just shrug and not try. They mog TiFs physically and mentally kek

No. 1997704

>>1997657
average lolcow troon thread browser

No. 1997810

>>1997692
>often shielded from total female socialization
How so? It might make sense considering I'm the older sister with my TIF sister,and it's hilarious she kept repeating why am I treated "more like a guy" than she was. But it's not that often really

No. 1997814

>>1997692
>Women being tall or looking naturally masculine are often shielded from total female socialization, they can't afford to be uguu smol princess and this is reflected in their behavior
Neither could tifs, but what kind of behavioral differences can ypu observe in tifs vs this category of women?

No. 1997915

>>1997810
>>1997814
nta but, as a tall woman (6' kek), I do think you can end up living a different 'female experience' to short women. An easy example is that most people can't physically look down on me, and my stature (now that I've gotten over myself and am not insecure about it) can kinda back up my confidence, if that makes sense? I'm either only a couple inches shorter than or eye-level with a few men, and taller than most, so I don't find them particularly intimidating by default. The dumb animal part of people's brains seems to view height as a respectable/authoritative trait, so there's that as well– it's like people see me as more of an 'adult' than my shorter female peers sometimes. It's a bunch of subtle stuff that filters through every interaction, though there's some negatives too, such as being accused of being male (even if your features are otherwise very feminine), people assuming you're being more threatening/intimidating than you are because you're looming, and people do stare (especially if you go from sitting to standing, or travel to Asia or something lol). You also can't get away with 'cutesy' behaviour and mannerisms, it weirds everyone out kek

I got almost no shit (hell, I got encouragement) growing up for being a turbo tomboy in comparison to my short tomboy friends, as if people just didn't expect me to try to look and behave more femininely because that ship had already sailed by being born a giraffe. You also get locked out of a lot of more feminine clothing options, as something advertised as knee-length, for example, can be mid-thigh or higher (depending on brands and styles). Even if you can get everything to work, it's easy to feel like a gigantic clown because you're just literally bigger than most other women and so something that looks cute on a 5'3'' woman looks tacky and desperate on you (or worse, TIM-ish). I'm not saying a tall woman can't be feminine either, just that it can be a bit harder to be forced into the mould when you're too long for it, so they have to be feminine on their own terms rather than trying to match aesthetics geared towards average or petite women.

Sorry for the big anecdotal ramble, but height and its relation to gendie shit interests me because I would have thought more girls like I was growing up would go for it, as ime it's pretty common for tall women to likened to men anyway and with the current rhetoric I could see someone giving up and going troon, but instead it's almost always short women and I just don't get it.

No. 1998043

>>1997915
>You also get locked out of a lot of more feminine clothing options
Tall women have their struggles too but I'm sure they're some custom made clothes out there just for them. It's not like they should give up and become ftm just because feminine clothes are not sold their size and built.

>they have to be feminine on their own terms

>it's easy to feel like a gigantic clown because you're just literally bigger than most other women
It feels like finding scraps for not just tall women but women with large shoulders, large "mannish" bodies too. I'd say this applies more to women with more particularly broad shoulders and wider frames than taller women because they were made to feel masculine, and it's only lucky they could be comfortable if they are tomboys to begin with.

>with the current rhetoric I could see someone giving up and going troon, but instead it's almost always short women and I just don't get it

We neither, and people are actually struggling to see how troonism even works. Tall or big women who were made to feel unfeminine or a "tomboy by default" their whole lives they went the troon route thinking it's easier might make more sense.

>>1997810
>I'm the older sister with my TIF sister,and it's hilarious she kept repeating why am I treated "more like a guy"
Being the oldest sister in an all-girl sibship might have this effect therefore a lot of TiFs tends to be oldest daughters (but loosely compared, as i refer to older sisters of younger brothers) for the opposite reason.
Most of the time older sisters were raised as boys in extreme cases, even persisting after a newborn brother's birth if getting the male privilege is important to some families.
Going troon for women if they have only little brothers are as earlier anon said, a way to restore balance by identifying as trans, going troon for women if they have only younger sisters are like the tall women analogy if you can compare.

No. 1998072

>>1997062
1/2 asian still looks male, is asian soyface/prettyboy face a myth at this point

No. 1998074

>>1997657
It's definitely a flex to pass as male when compared to a tif who is actively pretending to be one.

No. 1998097

not directly related to gender ideology but that butch thread is the saddest thing I've seen on this website in a while. It's just going to get filled up with a bunch of "I have a womanly feminine body but I am a masculine mascy butch!!!! and I buy men's clothing because that's all there is to being butch!"
I had high hopes for it

No. 1998098


No. 1998101

>>1998097
>I have a womanly feminine body
I hate the attitudes of nonas here because one moment they say what makes them women and the next they have an unusual amount of fun mogging tifs. I literally feel bad for all tifs around the world at this point.

No. 1998104

>>1998097
Do you mean you're disappointed it's more about fashion than lesbianism?

No. 1998109

>>1998104
Butch women can be bi or straight too; nta but "butch lesbians" are the lesbian ones

No. 1998111

>>1998104
No, they're just baiting

No. 1998112

>>1998109
Then were you disappointed they had feminine bodies? Or disappointed that they make it about only appearances and not also attitude>

No. 1998116

>>1998043
>Tall women have their struggles too but I'm sure they're some custom made clothes out there just for them
>not like they should give up and become ftm just because feminine clothes are not sold their size and built
This is true, sorry I didn't mean to imply that, more so that a lot of stereotypically feminine clothing styles or common brands won't have options that fit well (cheap brands also often run short in length because it's cheaper and can be gotten away with for the average customer, and sizing usually assumes and increase in circumference rather than height, so I could for example get something long enough but it's too baggy or expects a larger bust). I dress femininely as well as masculinely, I wasn't trying to imply that women should just give up if they're not catered to, I was more trying to comment on how height can potentially cause you to miss out on some female socialisation because of how others perceive you.

I agree about women who have broader shoulders etc as also having it tough when it comes to clothing and other's judgement of their femininity, especially if they're not interested in tomboyish looks or being butch. A lot of the fashion advice I've seen for those body types/features almost seems intentionally frumpy too, it's unfortunate.

>>1998048

I've gotten this from a couple tifs while at uni and they were such little creeps about it kek

No. 1998120

>>1997526
I feel exactly the same way. I’m straight but most of my female friends used to be lesbian or bi and/or autistic, and every single one of them turned into a gender proselytiser who thinks you should call a 4-year-old girl ‘they/them’ if she likes cars and dinosaurs. It’s extremely difficult to try and make new female friends when you’re constantly waiting for them to drop the gender bomb on you. I’ve never met another gc woman in real life. They’re all either clueless on the issue (but lean towards ‘being kind’) or they’re hardcore TRAs. It’s very isolating.

>>1997558
I think >90% of men who claim to be ‘intersex’ online are lying. Actual men with Klinefelter’s or CAIS or any other DSD aren’t going to be advertising the fact unless they’re raising awareness and educating, in which case they’ll probably specify which condition they have since there are so many and they present in so many different ways. A man simply calling himself ‘intersex’ is probably fetishising being part-female and likely doesn’t have any DSD at all.

No. 1998123

>>1998116
>height can potentially cause you to miss out on some female socialisation
NTA but Well said! TiFs ar prone to envy these kinds of women for some reason.

No. 1998130

>>1998078
>>1998101
What are you feeling sorry about?

No. 1998133

>>1998130
You know, if you have the misfortune of a tif dm'ing you in X/discord/irl and spewing envious hate for getting less of the female socialization then they do because they see themselves as not supposed to be subjected to it, magnify the numbers by 1000

No. 1998140

>>1998133
I'm not so sure that tall women are less female socialized, (the way tims say that they received less male socialization because people considered them unmanly) but if it's true, any short woman should envy it.

No. 1998147

>>1998140
>people considered them unmanly
Being considered unmanly is getting socialized as a male. Less male socialization only applies to guys living alone on an island.

No. 1998148

>>1998140
The reason a tif would envy it seems to on the basis she is 'internally a boy'…

No. 1998149

>>1998097
Why not post high quality content yourself then instead of whining here? Also I thought we already had this conversation.

No. 1998150

>>1998147
That's my point, and being considered unwomanly tall is being socialised female.

No. 1998153

>>1998150
It's when the woman is tall and feminine her height becomes an ugly point in contrast.

No. 1998156

Why is it so funny to feel proud of mogging a TiF?

No. 1998159

>>1998156
Because anons here are feminine socialised themselves and think masculine women are ugly.

No. 1998160

>>1998153
I don't really see it. Is Taylor Swift ugly, for example?

No. 1998176

>>1998159
I mean why do they feel proud making a tif look feminine in comparison to their goddamn selves kek

No. 1998190


No. 1998199

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>>1998156
A lot of anons presume that most tifs troon out to become hot twinks and want to dunk on them when they get male pattern baldness and acne. But it's not the case with a lot of tifs, especially the ones who have history with sexual abuse. I recall a lot of detransitioners stating that the thought that they were ugly as women caused them to troon out in the first place. I also believe people who lement how tifs are wasting their attractiveness by trooning out are not helpful either, maybe they don't like the attention. Either way, i totally agree that basing so much of a woman's worth on how attractive she is a key issue that causes many women to develop dysphoria that may develop into them wanting to become a man. You're not really hurting their feelings by calling them ugly any more than as if a troon was to call a gender critical person a terf. What's even the point? Tifs have bigger fish to fry in regards to the damage testosterone does to their bodies outside their physical appearance and how prescribing testosterone for women with body dysmorphia is barely different from prescribing crack cocaine to someone with depression considering it's literally an addictive substance.

No. 1998203

>>1998199
I also wanted to add that i've heard a lot of rhetoric from males who say that all ugly women should seek to transition to males, another example of how the sex appeal is seen as a key defining feature of women as a whole. We should seek to fight the misconception rather than reinforcing it in anyway, it's probably why there is such an explosion in tifs in recent years, they can probably all relate to this idea having a negative effect on their lives in some way.

No. 1998204

>>1998176
Not everyone wants to be feminine.

No. 1998207

>>1998203
But this is predatory groomer behavior from the moids. In any other timeline ugly women would have a different fate.

No. 1998210

>>1998204
But that gives even less reason to be proud of being more masculine than a tif.

No. 1998212

>>1998210
? Explain

No. 1998215

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eatin a tuna sandw ich, feels good anons

No. 1998220

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I still don't understand why trannies are so obsessed with jerma

No. 1998222

>>1998220
jerma is the most non political micro celebrity that troony toons people can interject their politics into. it’s almost like “this person is seen as good by everyone therefore they must hold beliefs that are deemed as correct and acceptable”, kind of like hatsune miku. it would make it even more funny if he was exposed making fun of his tranny fans off camera

No. 1998223

>>1998109
>Butch women can be bi or straight too
technically they can't by definition and going by the history of the term, unless you mean strictly by appearance

No. 1998224

>>1998212
You nonas are smug at "emasculating" tifs

No. 1998226

>>1998224
Because they're rarely masculine at all. Next.

No. 1998227

>>1998226
So less reason for these girls to troon in the first place.

No. 1998228

>>1998120
From my casual observation, the men who claim to be intersex within the context of MTF threads are usually claiming to be “intersex” because they believe they have a “female brain”, or they trooned out because they were a beardless manlet with bitch tits before trooning, so they believed their lack of a traditionally manly physique meant that they’d be better off as a woman, or they were “actually a woman inside”. So it’s delusion and cope.

No. 1998231

>>1998228
Most mtfs are troons ecause they believe in muh laydeebrain, nothing deeper.

No. 1998238

>>1998104
I’m disappointed by the obsession to look like a man and cry over having boobs and hips which makes them look more womanly and unable to wear men’s clothing.
I hate seeing it in women’s spaces it breeds such unnecessary insecurity, why is that the ideal butch fashion what happened to “butch is an attitude not just fashion “

No. 1998242

>>1998227
Do you think girls troon out because they’re not feminine? Half the time it’s because they’re sick of the sexual attention they get. But yes, it is funny that “cos” women who don’t try are often more naturally masculine than FTMs who are supposedly transitioning. There’s always going to be someone smaller and prettier than you so it’s not a self-own to admit that you’re more masculine than a 5’2 baby face tiffany.

No. 1998269

Is it bad that I make near daily checks on a local troons social media becuase he recently had srs and I wanna see how badly it goes for him? Kind of expecting him to drop dead sooner or later. He's a transbian autist with a lesbian fetish so not some poor selfhating hsts

No. 1998282

>>1998238
Many women have difficulty disassociating a "feminine" figure, aka the completely neutral physical traits of a female, with all the other bullshit attached to the gender role of femininity. It doesn't help that femininity the gender role intentionally exaggerates female sexual dimorphism to further associate the two.

No. 1998291

So I'm a merch artist and I feel like I'm the only ""cis"". I swear, every week I have to check the pronouns of my colleagues so I don't accidentally misgender someone and cause a ruckus in the middle of the convention. I'm really tired, it feels like right now it's a requirement and no one can't convince me it's not social contagion. One after another, like bowling pins, in particular my "neighbour" artist started to go by they/them after her bff (also merch artist and fandom artist) started to go by they/them. I cannot risk my source of income right now so I'm a crypto but I wish they could tell me how it makes sense, they're very feminine and often go in alt/lolita coords at cons but they claim to be tifs because being feminine as a tif is somehow breaking the gender norms but the norms are outside, not inside your brain. You break the gender norms when people can see that you do break them. If people call you "she" and you have to correct them, then this empowering move is not working…why? Why can't I enjoy my little autistic fandom corners anymore? Why everything has to go political? Why are every nerd hobbies filled with the most destructive nlog fade? I'm actually sad. To avoid them, 10 years ago, I just had to walk past smelly and sweaty pride parades, now they're infecting everything, because this shit spreads like a disease. I dread for the day that they'll ask my pronouns or kick out my space because yes, if you see this whole phenomenon, both fandom and gender shit became big after 2020. I've been here since the mid to late 2000s and this shit is depressing. Sage for rant but really, this has to stop somewhere. I think it eventually become so boring that everyone will move one and cringe at their past selves but the fact that his fade is entirely political and has laws changing, women's rights being blurred and to be silenced only for asking questions is tiring as shit.

No. 1998297

>>1998222
the irony being that a truly good person would never support troons in the first place
>>1998203
that rethoric is so retarded, a woman is a woman regardless of the way she looks and i do agree its definitely part of why so many troon out. being a woman shouldnt be so associated with beauty in general when moids get to exist as their ugly selves and are the ones who should be impressing women with their looks
>>1998282
no i would do the same
>>1998291
so relateable, being in fandoms sucks now because of this shit. it'll definitely disappear at some point and they'll move on to something else eventually but it's taking so long and i hate to think my teenage years and 20s i've had to deal with this shit like why can't it end faster. i'd like to actually be able to enjoy things without this bullshit before i'm like 80 but it just keeps going

No. 1998298

>>1998297
oops meant to quote >>1998269 not >>1998282

No. 1998300

>>1998291
I know so many he/they lolitas, it makes no sense to me

No. 1998308

>>1998300
I want them to explaim nonbinarism to me. I'm 100% serious and willing to listen to them but of course their reply is "I don't feel like I belong to a gender or the other!"
So is gender a feeling?
>No gender is a form of expression
So it's like fashion?
>How fucking dare you, no, it's real!
But you can break gender roles as a girl or boy and to break them you have to follow and acknowledge roles to begin with
>Yes but by not identifying as a girl I'm already breaking the gender roles by being feminine
But if no one can see your identity, then what this is all for?
>Because I'm okay with being seen as feminine but I know I'm not a woman and that makes me feel good.
How come you're not a woman?
>Because I don't feel like one.
Back to square one, so what makes a woman a woman?
>Feeling like one
How does a woman feel? Since you don't feel like a woman you must know how a woman feels by saying that you don't feel like them
>Hmm nonna idk, I'm not a woman, I don't know how they feel :/

I seriously thank my autistic brain that despite what this gendies say, forced me to see things from the logical point of view and saved me from this madness otherwise I would be cooked too, but I don't think I'm the only smart one, you feel me? Like I think you have to actually be stupid to buy this shit and yet so many do, I don't think there are so many retarded people or am I being too optimistic?

No. 1998366

>>1997814
>Neither could tifs
You're right, not all TiFs are equal for that matter, ie. autistic/butch/masculine women who troon out come off differently. It comes down to trying hard to be cute and non-threatening, being overly non-confrontational (breaking down on tumblr because you got misgendered instead of 'correcting' the boomer like a TiM would), neurotic preoccupation with aesthetics, treating the self as an object etc. An example would be the long comics where TiFs list all the girly things they like and agonize over what it means for their 'gender'. It's not because they like pink or kawiwi things. It's because treating their 'pretty girly tboy emo' brand like it's extremely meaningful and indicative of who they are (not just their interest) is ironically very feminine. This is especially true for adult TiFs.
They're more susceptible to this if they're short since people take short women less seriously, infantilizing them, and trooning out looks like a way out but it's not a meaningful break from their former position.
>>1997915
You explained it so well. Even tall women who look feminine are treated somewhat differently in all-female groups and by guys, feel alienated by the feminine competition, so they don't bother. This is why tall/athletic girls get along well with 'weird' girls, they have this in common.

No. 1998386

>>1997915
I'm tall but not as tall as you (between 5'10 and 5'11) and while some of this rings true, I don't really think I felt like I was socialized any less 'female' than my peers. Having a hard time finding skirts that aren't too short doesn't really mean you're not socialized female and the way tall women are treated is just a different aspect of female socialization. I agree that it does feel a bit different to be at eye level with or taller than many men though based on what I've heard shorter women say about men all being taller than them and therefore more intimidating. I actually think the phenomenon of TIFs being hyperfeminine, small and cutesy most of the time specifically stems from the fact that they struggle with being infantilized or being treated as excessively feminine and childlike and think that IDing as male or male hormones will change something, which it usually doesn't. I also think genuinely GNC women have usually had to embrace their GNC qualities at some point and learn how to live with them, but most TIFs were never GNC in the first place. They just feel alienated because they're usually women with low self esteem or who don't quite meet appearance standards so they think it would be easier not being a woman at all, but they're conformists so their way of dealing with it is just to conform to a different social movement/set of social norms which is currently popular.

No. 1998390

>>1998120
AYRT and I was lucky enough to terfpill/peak most of my closer female friends. Once your female friends are willing to say GC stuff around other people I've noticed most normie men will happily go along with it because they mostly only virtue signal about troons for social acceptability points from women, unless they're some variety of shitlib/male feminist or have AGP themselves. I did have a couple good friends I basically lost to the queer/TRA lobbying back in the day unfortunately but a lot of my remaining friends are bisexual and not gendies, plus most of the straight girls I know are sick of troons too. I guess I expected it would be easier to make new female friends in those social circles but what was I thinking?

100% agree that almost all men who claim to be intersex online are lying, and that most people with an actual DSD will engage in charity for/talk about that specific DSD not just bring up 'oh I'm intersex too' at random when they're defending their AGP on twitter.

No. 1998392

>>1998199
Most of the women who troon out because they're unattractive as women think they will be attractive as men, nona. Knowing a lot of them personally they do want to be attractive twinks and most are very upset that they became ugly and bald once it really hits them. I even talked a friend out of starting testosterone (she had already seen the therapists for the letter and everything) because I just asked her 'do you really want to lose your natural voice, do you really want body hair, do you really want to start balding' and she was like 'oh I never considered those things before, no that would be horrible.' She later admitted she was specifically transitioning to be more attractive 'as a man' to straight/bi women.

While yes some women do intentionally make themselves look ugly because of trauma, most don't want to look ugly and don't like looking ugly, they just want to look male (which in their eyes is not the same thing as ugly). Testosterone does much worse things to the body than making women ugly but in my experience no one cares or thinks about chronic illness for real until it's personally affected them, while the thought of becoming (even more?) ugly really does terrify most women, even GNC and traumatized women .

No. 1998395

>>1998269
The one I knew who got SRS immediately ruined his whole life and gave up on everything a few months afterwards, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened with your local troon too.

No. 1998449

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Maintenance Phase is a podcast I listen to often but their recent episode is on "rapid onset gender dysphoria" and it's…..so bad. I don't know why TRAs who are so intelligent and well researched in other areas let it fall apart the second it comes to troons. I'm about half way through and they've mentioned a lot of their info for this episode comes from Julia "getting fucked is what female is" Serrano, yikes.

No. 1998454

>>1998449
What is the podcast usually about?

No. 1998481

>>1998392
>do you really want to lose your natural voice
Only Cat Cattinson detransed due to this. The rest of tiffanies carried on.

No. 1998489

>>1998156
Because troons are whiny hypocritical losers and it’s fun to dunk on them

No. 1998495

>>1998215
Off-topic, but that is a delicious looking sandwich.

No. 1998509

>>1998481
AYRT and the friend in question sings so that's probably why she cared.

No. 1998511

>>1998454
It normally debunks junk science surrounding health and wellness. They've done episodes on Dr Oz, celery juice, carnivore diets and jordan peterson, things like that.

No. 1998516

>>1998511
I never take 'junk science debunkers' seriously precisely because of stuff like this. It's likely not the only thing they've been wrong about, since people who do 'junk science debunkings' usually don't ever want to look beyond what's socially acceptable and socially sanctioned. The trans issue is one of the most obvious issues where scientists are being forced to lie, halt research, mess with their research if they're allowed to do it at all, etc. and most of these debunker types (like PZ Myers being another obvious one) are completely on board with it. They don't have the actual tools or skills to investigate claims truthfully themselves, or if they do they're too cowardly to go against the norm. I don't believe anyone is doing a good job of debunking anything or is trustworthy when something as obvious as 'men are not women' or 'girls are obviously succumbing to social contagion when there's a 4000% increase of them thinking they're boys' is difficult for them to grasp and be honest about.

No. 1998551

>>1998242
But it's not something to brag about if you're more masculine than a tif. The bar is low anyway. Do you want a medal?

No. 1998555

>>1998551
To be fair almost everyone is more masculine than a TIF. They're usually the most hyperfeminine girls imaginable.

No. 1998557

>>1998551
The bar is low but it's sill satisfying to beat them at their own game without even believing in it.

No. 1998577

>>1998557
Why are you all so smug for nothing? Women don't usually feel this way during normal circumstances lmao

No. 1998578

>>1998551
It’s still funny to beat them at their own game without even trying. Kind of like how guys in suits annd cigars with very fake tryhard andrew rare style masculinity get mogged by construction workers.

No. 1998580

>>1998577
People can feel smug over anything, you’re just being obtuse, probably because you think women all need to be feminine and being masculine is not something to brag about

No. 1998581

>>1998580
I am only saying this because butch lesbians never feel emasculated the way a moid does.

No. 1998582

>>1998516
AYRT and part of the reason I enjoyed them to begin with is because they went against the grain on a lot of issues like weight, vegetarianism, and seem pretty measured about issues in general. I understand your point though and agree, it's made me look at them differently.

No. 1998583

>>1998580
>>1998578
Plus you are gunna get nothing out of beating them in their own game and they suffer a sense of loss. It's never a win-win in any circumstance.

No. 1998584

>>1998583
>>1998581
Well, yeah, butch lesbians don’t have fried ideas about gender so they’re not obsessively trying to come off masculine. It’s just a funny observation, no you don’t “get anything” out of observing that people are all different, doesn’t mean we can’t compare them.

No. 1998586

>>1998580
Masculinity in women is ugly and yeah, you shouldn't be proud of it.

No. 1998587

>>1998582
Certain subjects have a more-popular and less-popular opinion that are both fairly acceptable, but that's always going to be better than anything that's really socially unacceptable or that the government/science community/media wants hidden or covered up for whatever reason. Actually I think so many different takes on weight are socially acceptable (it's just the issue everyone feels like they get to have an opinion about no matter their lack of relevant knowledge/experiences) that I couldn't even guess what the 'socially unacceptable' or 'against the grain' opinion is supposed to be. On the other hand it's really obvious with troonism that there is one Wrong Opinion and that's the kind of topic where you won't even have enough easily accessible science for your average 'debunker' to prove anything since they usually go to only easily available, socially sanctioned sources for info.

No. 1998588

>>1998586
speak for yourself, I love butch women

No. 1998589

>>1998586
Stfu troll, youre not the anon

No. 1998593

>>1998586
This argument is retarded and you need to stop.

No. 1998605

>>1998586
You're posting on a 4chan offshoot, check yourself for not falling into the female socialization stereotype completely.

No. 1998610

>>1998605
Gossiping is very womanly.(baiting)

No. 1998619

>>1998610
Well you’re arguing and being disagreeable so I have to give you the rating of gross masculine troll, sorry.

No. 1998622

It must be a shocker to some that not all women feel the need to be pretty. I've crawled out of that trap and it feels good to be finally free, would recommend.

No. 1998636

>>1998610
So kf is the most feminine site known to man? Give me a break nonnie, men gossip just as much

No. 1998639

>>1998610
All the biggest gossipers are always men kek, it's yet another case of men projecting their faults onto women

No. 1998641

>>1998586
Don't complain about TIFs existing if you unironically believe this.

No. 1998722

>>1997262
Xe has the mannerism of a faggot and the looks of a reddit moderator that jerks off to lolicon.
Xillion must die.

No. 1998763

>>1998639
When men gossip they call it "networking" and justify it with some broscience babble about their primal need for brotherhood as if Grogg and Ugg were gossiping about the rival tribe over the fire each night kek. At least women admit that yes we're gossiping and yes we enjoy it.

No. 1998773

>>1998763
>as if Grogg and Ugg were gossiping about the rival tribe over the fire each night
made me kek, thanks nona

No. 1998858

>>1998763
A highly technological vehicle one day came in the form of our next eclipse and killed Grogg and Urgg before any of them could form an alliance, so that no more moids could build the world. Relax, it's a fantasy.

No. 1998859

>>1998722
Can't see lolicons are some faggots' type of guy

No. 1999058

>>1998859
Who would fuck a lolicon? Troons?

No. 1999102

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>>1998639
kek that retarded anon doesn't know that even LC was made by a man. Kf was also made by a man and is fucking FULL of them.

No. 1999144

>picked up message of women talking about their girls bodies growing, breast development, disappointed the girls dont look porny enough
>picked up messages of teens having sexual curiosity while hearing that the peak of sexual lust is around their 20s
>be SSA, gave up and gone troon at age 11 while thinking it doesn't fully apply to me

Ask me anything.

No. 1999432

>>1999144
What made you stop trooning nona and did you ever actually get any kind of medical intervention or was it just social ID stuff? Did you troon because of stuff your peers were doing or did you get it from the internet? If you knew other girls or boys irl who trooned when you were younger, did they have doubts about gender ideology too and talk about it?

No. 1999440

>>1999144
do you know about the detransition thread in /g/?

No. 1999661

>>1999440
I think it's an interesting topic for this thread even if there's a detrans thread, I want to hear her experiences.

No. 1999707

>>1999144
What do you mean "their girls" are they talking about themselves or their daughters or?

No. 1999759

>>1999432
No one in my immediate area was a troon. It's an Asian country tbh.

>>1999707
Their daughters. E.g. having aunts discussing about what to prepare their 12-15 y/o daughters for puberty where I got to witness the actual change of female bodies maturing contrary to the expectations of porny depictions of women on the internet.
I am same-sex attracted, bordering to SSOA so it did a number on my psyche.

No. 1999778

>>1999759
Wait nona so if you're living in an Asian country is it socially acceptable to actually come out publicly as a troon/enby or was this something you kept to yourself/only posted on the internet? How did that work? I am guessing that in most Asian countries it's not easy to be openly SSA either but I would assume IDing as the opposite sex or nonbinary would be even less socially acceptable?

No. 1999781

>>1999778
Neither are socially acceptable. Only my parents, grandparents and frequent uncles/aunts know I'm a troon. I tried to hide it from my school/institution that I want to troon out and am a lesbian/possibly bi. The classic HSTS (slightly older) "trans kid" tif case, but I'm 20 now and my first "coming out" as troon was at 11.

No. 1999784

>>1999759
that is because it IS perverted moms/aunts, I'm a mom and ended up leaving reddit because all parenting stuff was taken over by complete perverts who would never stop talking about their kids boobs or privates. Before I left I remember seeing someone talk about how their daughter in 3rd grade has uneven nipples/budding breasts and asking if it was normal, it was unbelievable multiple people had to chime in and actually tell the "mom" she shouldn't be looking at or touching her daughters breasts at all. I know it will never happen but I wish reddit tracked down the insane amount of people admitting to actual child molestation on reddit

No. 1999786

>>1999781
So if I'm understanding correctly you are still identifying as a troon? Even now that you know it is because you are same sex attracted? Why?

>>1999784
Even relatively good parents and relatives will make these weird comments about their children, my mom was supportive of my gender nonconformity as a child but she used to make comments when I was like literally 7-9 years old about how I had a 'curvy womanly figure' and would grow up looking better than other girls because I was 'curvy,' my mom herself was this extremely shy and tomboyish woman who never dated other than my dad and I can only assume it was some weird thing of living vicariously through me but it traumatized me and made me extremely self-conscious about hitting puberty and developing. I don't think my mom is a pedo at all and I never felt creeped out in that way but when I was older/in my teens she would try to 'peek' at my boobs when I was changing and when I said it made me uncomfortable she said she just 'wanted to see because she never had big ones herself' and then started calling my boobs saggy. She's the type of person who's horrified by the grooming in schools and whatever and would never support pedoshit getting into schools but she still felt the need to project all this weird sexual stuff on me at an extremely young age, she also constantly 'accused' (idk what word to use here) me of having been predated upon by older men when I was a child, like she had a theory I was raped by a camp counsellor or that one of my middle school teachers was a pedo groomer and something 'happened' between us. I don't even think women from conservative cultures realize they're creepy when they do this and I don't think they see it as sexualizing their daughters.

No. 1999788

>>1999786
>when I was older/in my teens she would try to 'peek' at my boobs when I was changing and when I said it made me uncomfortable she said she just 'wanted to see because she never had big ones herself' and then started calling my boobs saggy.
I hate to break it to you but that isn't normal behavior, no normal person tries to look at a child boobs for any reason

No. 1999789

>>1999788
I know it's not normal but I don't think my mom is a pedo is what I'm saying. Also the boobs thing happened in my late teens like when I was 18-19. I think a lot of women who are not pedos just 'project' sexual hangups and body hangups on their daughters not because they're sexually attracted to children but because they try to live vicariously through them.

No. 1999791

>>1999789
samefag but since I'm blogging about this already, my mom admitted later when I was an adult that she regretted talking to me about/exposing me to sexual topics when I was younger and that she should have 'preserved my innocence' but that she didn't realize it was inappropriate because she was messed up and traumatized herself. But when she says this she mostly means letting me watch sexualized media or telling me about stuff relating to sex at a young age and she still seems not to realize that all the comments on my body or how I 'probably got raped by a camp counselor' were totally inappropriate. My mom is from a really conservative culture/family btw. I think sometimes women in these cultures are abused and treated like sexual objects so much they don't even realize they're traumatizing their children.

No. 1999793

>>1999789
she may not be a pedo but perverted/predatory for sure. Creepyness is creepyness even if the intent is "bad"

No. 1999794

>>1999791
Not really, it's in a way being coincidentially same-sex attracted though it can influence the direction of trooning out. Yes, I identify as a TiF. Discovered this thread from google, in case my opinions are not welcome. There seems to be a no-male rule just by scrolling from the top of the thread alone so I'm in quite a grey area here.

>>1999784
>>1999789
>>1999788
>>1999786
>>1999791
What mattered was some parents unfortunately fail to understand how receptive and malleable children's minds are to sensitive topics such as sexual wellbeing and adapting to pubertal changes, including extreme discomfort like when moms keep checking on their daughters growth it makes the daughters feel both vulnerable and infantilized, as if she's being creeped on in some level.

Being told about sexual exploration as teens (as a SSA/SSOA) feels so goddamn infantilizing, like it's a whole different level of being predated on. As if lesbians are predatory ffs. Kinda want a different opinion on this from bi women and lesbians, as well as straight women here.

No. 1999798

>>1999794
Yeah you're not male so you're probably welcome but this imageboard is pretty hostile to people who believe in gender ideology, personally I don't mind but if you decided to troon out based on the reasons you outlined it seems like you are pretty clear-headed about knowing you're female, I guess I don't understand why you still choose to identify as a TIF instead of just accepting that you are same-sex attracted and hate misogynistic norms for women? Are you planning on getting hormones and surgeries or is it just a self-ID thing? What do you get out of identifying as male when you know you're female and can't escape female socialization?

Can you specify what you mean with the second half of your post, I'm unclear on what you're asking for an opinion on. Like are you asking how being told about sex for adults affects SSA/straight women in general or what adults say about gay and straight women?

>>1999793
I can't disagree with the perverted part but I wouldn't call it predatory because I don't know what she really personally got out of acting like this. I think my mom acted 'perverted' because she was actually extremely innocent and shy around sex and her body but was predated upon by other people, and tried to live through me vicariously and confide in me in a weird way about her own hangups. Ironically she would probably consider herself really prudish and clean-minded but I think she has extreme fixations and hangups on sex, sexuality and looks because she herself was a victim.

No. 1999808

>>1999798
E.g. parent's view of sexual expression in teens hits differently for someone like me, like it's so creepy as well in a comparable way to be told by your respective moms about breast development, it's nothing like glamorizing leslarpers or spicy straight kweer girls in mainstream media. It's more on we're near the bottom of the totem pole and getting reminded that our attraction to women and sexual behaviors/predispositions makes us a valid excuse to be shit on mainly because we don't look like a queer on tv and am not hypersexual enough, supposedly. What I (personally got) end up feeling is being infantilized and being crepeed on like how pushy moms would their daughter. It makes me go nlog on top of going troon when i found out many girls are in a similar position.

>seems like you are pretty clear-headed about knowing you're female

There's some kind of knee-jerk allergy that causes me to be disturbed by being referred to as a female irl, it's that I HAVE to be this clear-headed every time to suppress this response. Yes, I would go the buck angel route with a bottom surgery.

No. 1999813

>>1999794
This is really quite interesting, is this the first thread you've seen? In any case, I think you're welcome to lurk and comment as you please as long as you read the room properly, although as the other anon said you might be met with hostility in a lot of cases especially you announce you're a TIF (do not announce it in the /snow/ threads at all, you'll get a ban). I'd recommend you give the rules a good read just in case you miss anything, although so far you seem like a reasonable newfag and troon which is refreshing to see for once.
Also, out of curiosity what are your general thoughts and feelings about the general TIPs and TRAs online? Or do you not interact with them at all?

No. 1999821

>>1999806
Hmm well I can only speak to this as a woman who is bisexual and lives in a pretty 'LGBT+++QIASSEER+++' accepting environment but my family is from a very conservative culture. So when my parents first started to suspect I was SSA in my early teens/preteen years they basically attacked me and made it really obvious that I would be fucked if I was into girls, so I ended up just lying to them my whole life and my family still doesn't know. I think my mom has an idea that 'lesbians are super hypersexual' that she got from mostly watching stuff about gay moids but she doesn't really know anything about lesbians and I never really took it seriously, but I felt like most of society did not imply lesbians were hypersexual (I thought I was lesbian at first when I was younger), and they did think bisexual women were but I only realized I was bisexual later so I don't think that really affected me. But mainly the effect from my family was just to know I had to hide it from them and I didn't really learn much about lesbian or bisexual women from my family at all. When I was growing up there basically weren't lesbians on TV either and if there were occasionally women they usually were kind of hypersexual bpd hoes but I don't think I took that super seriously. Since I didn't admit I was bi though my family didn't really project much on me, they suspected I was SSA but then were relieved when it seemed like I wasn't and I just never told them about any of the girls I liked or dated.

I'm still a bit confused by your position on being a TIF though. You would actually want to cut giant chunks of flesh off your arm/thigh to have a non-functioning phallic flesh tube stapled to the front of your pelvis? If you're SSA would you still be having normal lesbian sex with your normal genitals or?

No. 1999822

>>1999813
First thread.
I've never came across another TiP irl. Online tho, I usually interact on case by case basis.

For TRAs it's about discerning their reasoning and where it comes from, I won't directly argue with a TRA except in the scenario I am forced into a debate session. If there's any concern, it's about how children and teens are vulnerable to being groomed to becoming troon.

Though, what can't be found on the internet is actually HOW these kids could transform their beliefs overnight that they suddenly believe they're no longer the sex they are born with and deserve troon surgery.

No. 1999823

>>1997405
I;m from the UK and you can literally pick up prescriptions on someone's behalf as long as you have their address, name and DOB. No pharmacist on earth would grope her to make sure she matches the gender on the script. Story is fake.

No. 1999826

>>1999823
Yeah where I live too you can pick up prescriptions on someone else's behalf. And if they think the person is trying to scam them they call your phone number to make sure you approve of them picking it up, they don't grope whoever is picking it up. Everything about this story is extremely fake sounding and as with many troon fictions sounds like the invention of someone who has not left their own bedroom in 6+ months.

>>1999822
So do you believe you were groomed as a child since you started identifying as a TIF at 11 or do you think you were not subject to any online grooming? What are the points on which you agree/disagree with TRA ideology?

No. 1999832

>>1999794
You're welcome to stay if you're a female, but do know that it will make you peak eventually. I wish you the best of luck and health the day you decide to detranstion, nonas here can be really supportive of you then! Check out the mtf threads over on /snow too while you're here

No. 1999833

>>1997262
What about when a "cis woman" says she doesnt feel safe around a troon?

No. 1999834

>>1999826
Before trans ideology was big. I wasn't groomed as a child afaik, my parents were super against it.

I went on estrogen blockers first then T. I don't believe trooning out is for anyone, as there are already some stories of men being convinced by gatekeeping doctors they should not troon because they are AGP;plus their physical appearance and psyche (psyche is a big factor actually. they have to be mutationally delusional enough to be flawless troon in my opinion idk if its the right word kek) gave them no chance of passing.
The one video on tiktok with "top surgery is for everyone" pissed me off, as it's not even about trans ideology amymore. It negates my lived experience in a way (kek), with me jealously guarding myself from being mogged and outdone by my sister and female cousins. It makes me feel like my life is on cheating conmode.

No. 1999836

Original vid is nowhere to be found but it's this one

No. 1999843

>>1999834
By groomed as a child I mean by gender ideology/trans people on the internet. I understand your parents didn't groom you into trooning out although you did just describe how they made you afraid of being a SSA female and hitting female puberty, and implied that heavily contributed. If it's not for anyone/everyone what makes you or the people you think it's 'for' different? Who do you think it's 'for'?When you say mogged by your sister and female cousins do you mean you avoided them being compared to you as prettier or more feminine?

No. 1999846

Never saw any troons until I moved to a big city - now they're everywhere (same with so many very openly gay moid couples.) But I somehow never see the opposite.
That's honestly so freaky, people on the countryside might think it's not a big deal because they can't see any but if you witness suddenly so many moids turning into wannabe-women it's easy to get why especially older people are pushed to vote for more trad/rightwing parties, it can really feel like there is some kind of "virus" spreading and poisoning everybody.

No. 1999847

>>1999846
It feels like that because there is some kind of "virus" spreading and poisoning every"body" (aka every moid) and it's coomerism.

No. 1999850

>>1999843
>you avoided them being compared to you as prettier or more feminine?
Good point. Before I trooned out I might not care about these, and it's that there is a layer of misogyny as although I haven't been in direct contact with trans people, my dad is surrounded by TiMs (read:the average r/asktransgender mtf based on how he describes them) every now and then due to business trips in USA. He explains how I'm not like them at all therefore I'll regret my decision. It's heavily linked to why I don't want to be feminine or else it's "proof I have no reason to go troon".

I actually would want my female relatives to be more feminine than me, it's like a feeling I don't doubt myself.

No. 1999851

>>1999848
Sorry nonna but you're not gonna make loads of friends here constantly justifying your tranny choice, I hope you can get past the shame of being a lesbian, trooning out will not make you a straight couple

No. 1999853

>>1999851
I have fully accepted that a lesbian tif is not a straight man. Thank you for your advice.

No. 1999871

What happened to telling attention seeking trannies to fuck off, nonas? There's nothing to be discussed here that hasn't been covered ad nauseam elsewhere on the site. TIFchan, if you're reading this what you're doing is known as "avatarfagging", posting in a way that identifies yourself. I'm not gonna report you for it 'cause you're new here, but it's against the rules. If you wanna integrate and post anonymously, then fair enough, but save the AMAs for reddit. I don't like having trannies here personally. As a butch lesbian who's came close to trooning out in moments of weakness, quite frankly I view your kind as crabs in a bucket that should be kept far away from GNC women. But I can't hate you completely because, reluctantly, I do get it. I wish you well, I hope you knock it off with the justifications and come to accept yourself as a woman.

No. 1999874

A few days ago I stumbled upon the social media of some uni instructor (don’t know this person IRL) and saw that he was posting in groups for feral/MLP NSFW and plushophilia (ewwww). I made a bet that he was a TIM and had that suspicion confirmed a few minutes later.

I was about to send a report to the university about it, but am considering telling the news instead to show the public that yet another TIM in a position of power is a pervert. However, I’d probably have to choose a right-leaning news outlet since the left would likely not care or acknowledge that this is a man.

What should I do nonnas

No. 1999877

>>1999874
Don't report it to your uni, you'll probably get pushback for transphobia. No matter how carefully you word your complaint, you're a woman and he's a TIM and he will leverage his power against you. TIMs love to talk about how fetishes helped them discover their true selves, so I'd bet that he goes straight to that excuse. Go to a news outlet. Yes, it will have to right=leaning, it's unfortunately the only option we have when it comes to whistleblowing this kind of stuff. I still think it's better than nothing. Either way, you can't let him get away with this shit.

No. 1999884

>>1999877
Thanks. Also, I go to a completely different uni and was going to report it to his uni through the anonymous complaint form, but IDK if people even look at those forms.

I’ve never submitted anything to the news. Would you send it to an outlet or a specific reporter or what? Would I have more luck choosing a reporter who has written about trans pervert teachers before?

No. 1999886

>>1999871
I initially responded to her AMA because I thought she was a detrans woman but I wanted to gently question her because it seems like she is close to peaking on a lot of TRA ideology and seems to come from a very conservative culture. But then I just became very confused.

>>1999874
My first thought was to report it too but the university won't do anything. I agree with your idea and the other anon that you should report it to some news outlet, preferably not a very leftist one but one that has reported on trans/feminist issues before. There are some outlets like Reduxx that are not right-wing but also don't get much attention, so you could try both one of those and some more mainstream local right-wing ones. But report it anonymously using protonmail or something.

No. 1999887

>>1999884
Also, I’ve already made a screenshot compilation of his comments and plan to archive the post history so he can’t delete the account and hide the evidence

No. 1999888

>>1999794
Good thing you are not a male then. It’s OK to be a GNC bisexual or lesbian woman nonna. There’s nothing wrong with being butch or attracted to the same sex. I know that society can be pretty intolerant sometimes, but you are who you are and that’s OK. You just shouldn’t be living under the delusion that being SSA or GNC makes you a male, or that it’s ever possible for a woman to become a male. There are infinite ways of being a woman, so anything you do is automatically something a woman does.

No. 1999890

>>1999886
Thanks. Was considering using Protonmail but am worried that will send it to their junk folder

No. 1999891

>>1999890
If you're worried about that can you just make an anonymous gmail or something using a VPN? The chance you will be targeted for going to the media is low anyway but just for my safety I would personally refrain from using my usual email account.

No. 1999893

>>1999891
I’ll consider that too

No. 1999894

>>1999884
I honestly have no idea how to choose an outlet. I would just look for publications and reporters that have done similar articles about pervert troons in the past. I agree with >>1999886 not to send it to a leftist one, that'll be like pissing in the wind. Maybe try asking over on /2X/ if anyone has recommendations on where to report it? They usually have good sources for anything that's came up in the news recently, so you might get pointed in the right direction by them.

No. 1999895

>>1999894
I would try one or multiple of: Reduxx (tends to pick up stories about specific predatory troons), depending on your country something more right-wing like the post millennial or daily wire that sometimes report 'gossip' type stories about specific predatory troons, and/or a normal local news outlet like your local fox news (if you're in america) or other local centrist/right-leaning publication. Most local news isn't super ideological though and might pick it up. You can check the history of outlets to see if they've recently posted any special interest stories about e.g. creepy school/university instructors, men in sports etc. because outlets likely to report on that would also be more likely to pick up your story.

No. 1999897

>>1999887
You could also try sending the screenshots specifically to reporters on twitter who post trans/drag/pedo in university or high school teaching positions type stories, probably not actually the best person but I'm thinking people like Andy Ngo.

No. 1999902

>>1999871
Nona, don't. Stay away from the crabs in a bucket. We feel for you.
Trooning out in moments of weakness is what the TRAs and TiPs take advantage of.

No. 1999921

>>1998220
Social rejects foster parasocial relationships and he is popular with a female audience, so female troons love him, simple.

No. 2000097

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A perfect gendie winner for the most political event I see, not surprised.
I hate how genderism is so superficial, fuck europe (rightfully so) for not kicking out israel but kicking out russia but suddenly europe good for lettng a gendie win, their morals are so shallow and performative it disgusts me. I'm far for screaming "#FreePalestine" because I do not fucking care what those two shitholes do, and yes, killing children is bad and that's basic common sense, but I still get amazed that their morals get thrown under the bus when it's time to feed their ideology, it stands higher than everything. It stands higher over life, family, health, values. Sick.

No. 2000103

>>2000097
nonny, I think you're getting mad at two seperate, unrelated groups. the people tweeting #free palestine aren't the same people praising eurovision for letting a gendie win. I've seen pro-Israel people say stuff like gay people shouldn't promote Palestine because Palestinians are probably homophobic or whatever ignoring the fact that bombing childrens hospitals isn't exactly helping establish feminism and gay rights in the region

No. 2000105

>>2000097
The irony is that gendie shit isn't even european ideology. The they/them shit doesn't even translate into a lot of european countries.

No. 2000113

>>2000105
Italian nonny here, we don't have the third neutral gender in our language and all our pronouns are gendered even in plurals so there are basically no vowels left, the press is using male pronouns because despite the gendies trying to push the butchering of our language (with shit like Lui (him), Lei (her), L*i (??? the fuck is this how do you pronounce this), they are forced to use professional speaking and ofc gendie lingo is not professional. The only way around could be using the plural (which is also gendered) but that won't reflect the reality because he isn't two people so kek. The jobless gendies are still asleep but I can't wait to see some seething and coping here and there.
Just imagine, for your own fetish or nlopism, fucking up an entire language and yet it doesn't work so why bother

No. 2000132

>>2000105
i fucking hate the USA

No. 2000136

>>2000105
Swedish forced in a new gender neutral pronoun years ago and to this day I've not seen a single troon use it. Not ONE. You know why? Because we don't do pronouns outside of English. All the troons her still put "he/they/she/ze" in English and don't ever expect it at all in real life when speaking their own native language. It's like it's just a fantasy they live out online. The only people I've heard use gender neutral pronouns are media people trying really hard not to misgender a troon on TV.

No. 2000158

>>2000105
Most entertaining is still seeing Finns use English pronouns because that's the only way to spew gender. Since all the pronouns are already neutral (hän and se) it's pretty obvious that it's only about parroting the agenda to be cool.

No. 2000169

>>2000136
>The only people I've heard use gender neutral pronouns are media people trying really hard not to misgender a troon on TV.
As well as people who genuinely don't know the sex of the person they are referring to. Fair enough. (Assuming it's 'they/them')

No. 2000196

>>2000158
kek I was once asked by email (in a professional setting where everybody spoke Finnish) what pronouns I use. I just ignored the question and they never brought it up again.

No. 2000274

I hope this fits but I expect every edgy bro that respects pronouns and gets butthurt when you shit talk troons, but make edgy/sexist/racist jokes about everyone else to Troon out.
I was watching a streamer and they were talking about keffals, the chat was like, "guise you can be funny without being transphobic!!" And some retarded person was crying about, "I hope you never have a trans child!!!!".
Meanwhile the streamer in question is always going on these rants about how it's just words and literally laughs at legit retarded moids all day.
Not to mention his chat members act like normal looking women are weird looking. But they were unironicqlly thristing after keffals
It's interesting how these people who teeter the line of being super edgy almost always has a decently sized chaser/Troon audience. Almost as if troons love to be racist /sexist
Also I notice in moid spaces some will unironically agrue about using pronouns or some moids will use pronouns if their dick gets hard, but with women spaces s lot of us don't do that shit.
Men are not allies in this, even in the most transphobic part of the internet you'll see scrotes calling Keffals/Blaire she.
They think calling a man a man is a punishment or only something certain troons deserve, when the point is they are men.
Tw are men and tm are women. We aren't calling them that to hurt their feelings or because they don't pass, no because it's facts.

No. 2000349

>>2000097
You're getting mad over two different issues.

No. 2000350

>>2000274
Male TRAs integrate in moid hierarchy quite well.

No. 2000353

>>2000274
Yeah Twitch is filled with pornsick moids, I expect pretty much everyone on there to troon out in some capacity or be a TRA.

No. 2000366

>>2000274
My old workplace was full of edgelord scrotes who were openly racist, misogynistic, antisemitic, ableist etc. but would defend (male) troons to the death. Holocaust, lynching and rape jokes were all in good fun but calling a man in striped socks a man? That’s not on! You’ll hurt his feelings!! Male TRAs are just MRAs in rainbow t-shirts.
>They think calling a man a man is a punishment or only something certain troons deserve
I disagree. I think they think that calling a man a woman is a punishment for being insufficiently manly, and that calling someone like Keffals or Blaire men devalues manhood. They still value them over actual women because they recognise that they’re males, but they don’t want to have to share a category with them either.

No. 2000376

>>2000274
Even in places like KF they call the trannies "she" if they "deserve it" (aka make their dicks hard). I think it's because they're terrified of having gay thoughts and they're attracted to a tranny

No. 2000482

sorry for vent but I need a big factual documentary that exposes troonism and all of it's flaws. I need them to say it out loud how being attracted to a single sex is being twisted into being seen as queer - and I'm sure it would be easy to get it straight out of their own mouths.
A man says he's bisexual (or pan) = that he is into men AND women. By which he means women and men with vaginas. He explains he used to think he was straight because he's only into people with vaginas, until he realized ANY person could have a vagina! So that makes him bi/pan because he'd totally be gay for a man with a vaginas and tits! I just need normal people to finally see and hear the insane shit these people say on the daily, that this IS what's "normal" to the troons.

No. 2000663

>>1999846
When a male fetus developes it has to go through two processes- defeminization & masculinization. Because of this there are more oppertunities for things to go wrong. This may be part of the reason why homosexuality & paraphilias present in twice the rates in males than in females

No. 2000677

>>2000663
I have to theory but I'm afraid to pass as some kind of schizo that flamboyant faggots have a biological component. I always thought that they were the result of first world more inclusive societies but every culture has its faggots so I guess that the male fetus, being a failed female embryo, has some kind of mutation in faggots but I don't see butches acting like men (unless they're ultra one-of-the-boys pickmes). They way faggots act it's very stereotypical and also their voices are higher so unless all of them commonly agreed to sound higher, it's a natural trait that they have. Higher/softer voice, weird mannerism and promiscuity. All of men with weird high voices are faggots or some kind of homo leaning bisexuals while women that are more "masculine" are not butches.
Sage for derailing but ofc in faggots I include hsts so I can see why they try to pull the biology bullshit and while it's not totally wrong, it doesn't make them women because women don't act like faggots. Not one of them. Even the most vain bimbo I know doesn't act as obnoxiously as a faggot so they're the own "gender" if we're talking in that way but that puts them in their own category of failed men or men trapped in men's body, not an egg or a woman at all.

No. 2000694

>>2000097
>on the largest european tv show
>still wearing a polyster skater skirt that looks like it's straight from amazon
moid behavior

i don't understand why the jury was bending over backwards to applaud this superrrr speshullll gendie when we've had a participant like Conchita Wurst who is arguably much more gender non-conforming and doesn't delude others into calling him a woman or ~nonbinary~

No. 2000718

>>2000694
it's not moid behaviour, nona, it's cosplay.
troons wear cosplay, they don't wear "clothes." if you carefully look at the majority of them they have the same amazon skirt and socks, same aliexpress chokers and so on, like cosplayers who buy their costumes on those chinese sites. They don't shop for clothes, they look at the typical troon attire and wear that. No woman dresses like them.

No. 2000723

>>2000663
Males also lack over a thousand genes compared to women, it's why they're so much more likely to have a lot of hereditary disorders, such as being color blind. They come in pairs (one from each parent) so 1 broken and 1 healthy results in the healthy one taking over, but since men only get 1 if it's broken it's broken and there's no spare to fix it. I'm sure there are weird genetic disorders we aren't fully aware of that can get broken in males this way.

No. 2000860

>>2000482
i hate moids who parrot trans rights, it harms tifs too

No. 2000863

>>2000723
It doesn't work that way. Chimerism exists and X inactivation works similarly to chimserism in the aspect which retina cells are affected. it's only the general case where a good enough mix of affected and unaffected retina cells would render a person a carrier, and anything past this ratio of affected:unaffected cells makes a woman colorblind too.

No. 2000871

Went to the park with a new coworker and met with some people, a group of about 6 others that she kind of knew. We were sitting there eating and someone said we should go around in a circle and introduce ourselves. First to go was a moid who said "My name is Mark, he/him." Second one, my coworker, "My name is Sarah, she/her." I was next. Said my name, but the pronouns felt so unnatural that there was this extremely uncomfortable, way too long pause. Finally I just said, "My pronouns are she and her, I guess, because of being a woman and all that, if we're really doing the pronoun thing right now …"

I really wanted to leave and probably should have? Everyone was late 20s - early 30s btw. I just couldn't believe regular people would ever opt to do that outside of a classroom or a supervised corporate team-building activity.

No. 2000977

>>2000677
>women don't act like faggot
That wasn't the excuse. Faggots know they are male, including the cultures that would never let them troon out. You can't compare womankind to male homosexual effeminacy.

No. 2000995

>>2000863
NAYRT but females at least have the option of X inactivation/chimerism to cover for a faulty allele and men don’t. If their single X-linked allele is fucked, it’s fucked. That’s why X-linked disorders like certain types of colourblindness, hemophilia and X-SCID (bubble boy disease) are practically exclusive to males.

No. 2001048

>>2000995
Moids have one less opportunity to be immune to X-linked disorders like colorblindness, they kinda need other factors such as chimerism or retinal transplant (kek, but the sympathy is on those with vision loss and need this surgery).

No. 2001099

>>1999836
She speaks like she's narrating a babypowder commercial or something.. such a weird video. She really deicded to speak like this.. Like i get it's supposed to be hopeful motivational soulhugging shit but it just sounds so fake like a commercial because nobody speaks like this irl but i guess it perfectly works on trannies because they see the manipulative result that gives their starving hearts a motherly caress, and not see of the intetion behind the video of the person who's juts really sitting there in fornt of a mic thinking "how can i make this the most softest stickiest narration as i possibly could" just ew. Trannies really miss a bigger perspecite gear in their brains.

No. 2001145

>>2000977
I'm not? What I said that faggots are seen as some kind of "feminine" men but no feminine woman acts like that because women don't act like that. They're their own, failed, sex. It's an anomaly.

No. 2001230

ot but i feel like i have to ask, what the fuck has happened to this thread within the past few days? from the 4chan moidspeak and random baiters to troons and people who clearly haven't been on lc for more than 5 minutes. am i going insane? i've noticed this going on in the ftm and mtf threads too, to a far lesser degree though.

No. 2001231

>>2001230
The ugly man psyop thread got posted on /r9k/ recently. It might be that.

No. 2001578

Just wondering if anyone knows why trannys love fallout new Vegas so much? As a really big fan of the series I don't get it? I can't see it through their lense

No. 2001595

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Kek

No. 2001598

>>2000103
Feminism and gay rights are never going to be promoted by Islam period regardless how wealthy and peaceful the country is, and I think it's embarrassing in general for genderists to try to associate with conservative patriarchal religions. The troons visiting the Vatican recently was almost equally cringe although the Pope does seem to be caving to gender ideology, I don't think most actual 'traditional' or devoted Catholics ever will.

>>2000105
It's always been really amusing to think about how pronouns and gender language would translate to my native language because almost everything you say, including in the first person or second person, is gendered, and there's also a third neutral gender that's mostly for inanimate objects. So if people wanted to use the pre-existing third gender pronouns they would basically be referring to themselves/others as inanimate objects (There isn't a first/second person version of the neuter version of language though) and if they are trans they would have to change the way they talk about themselves or ask people to refer to them directly as the wrong sex, which would probably expose all those types of troons who post on reddit saying they secretly misgender themselves in their heads all the time. After spending your whole life using male language for yourself it would probably be really tough to make the switch. You'd also sound like a child because a lot of small children in my native language will get it mixed up and accidentally refer to themselves or others as the wrong gender when using verbs for example (e.g. in my language there are two different versions of 'I went' or 'you ate' for male and female speakers).

No. 2001627

>>2000677
I'm not sure where I stand on the nature/nurture component of homosexuality and there's no really strong or conclusive evidence for either but it is not unlikely at all that gay men in many cultures just 'agreed' to sound higher. A lot of the time both troons and regular gay men who talk in that high pitched effeminate way will drop their voice down to a normal threatening low male voice when, for example, they get really angry or are threatening a woman. Just because they didn't all sign a contract to behave this way doesn't mean they don't subconsciously or consciously do it on purpose as a social cue or form of social conformity with other effeminate men. Same with stuff people sometimes cite as signs of 'natural' femininity in men like doing more hand-talking and body language things - I think it is a choice, but a choice that is mostly made because they are (badly) aping common traits in women. They never actually look or sound like actual women when doing these things, so I think it is their version of signaling to each other that they are 'feminine.' Women can't drop their voices that low unless they have naturally low voices but every man can go into a falsetto so they do it when they're trying to ape women. Not sure if it is conscious or not in all of them but it doesn't have to be biological or due to any kind of epigenetics. None of this proves that the 'biology bullshit' isn't wrong.

>>2000871
Don't let yourself get pressured into doing the pronoun shit nonna, especially if no one was explicitly asking you to. There might have been other women (or men) there who felt pressured like you did but because of you caving they might have felt more pressured/alone there too. There is always a cost both to yourself and others of going along with TRA bullshit.

>>2001230
The troon who dropped into the thread said she found it on google but it seems like lolcow got posted or mentioned a few times on tiktok and elsewhere recently.

No. 2001630

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>>2000274
They keep calling picrel a real woman when those huge joosie male clavicles are extremely clockable. They don’t know what a real woman is because almost none of them have normal relationships with a woman to begin with

No. 2001643

>>2001627
Plus even if there is something biological that happens to make men gay/effeminate, it's still not a good excuse for HSTS troons because most effeminate (gay and straight) men don't troon out, so what excuse do the HSTS have when their mannerisms and voices are usually just like those of non-troon gay effeminate men?

No. 2001690

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>>1998449
man, i love this show but hate when they talk about trans shit. michael and aubrey are unfortunately tranny dicksuckers and the most annoying thing besides looking at data we really can't make any conclusions about yet, the way they talk about detrans people always feels shitty. it's very "yes detransitioners exist BUT they are such a minority they basically don't count". trans people are already a fucking minority too, do they not count????? i wish they'd stick solely to health and wellness because this is not their wheelhouse. if you want a left-leaning podcast that's also gender critical try picrel.

No. 2001698

>>2001690
Yeah TRAs used to talk about how they're a super special extra oppressed minority because they are such a tiny minority (the stats I see posted are usually like 0.3% of the population or something) even though that's not true anymore and there are probably at least as many troons as gays at this point if not more, though they always treat 'cis' gay people as some huge hegemonic majority compared to them. But as soon as someone mentions detransitioners they don't count because they are 'just a tiny minority' and suddenly the minority status makes them unimportant. Anyway that's a cope too because there are more and more detransitioners and I believe soon the majority of people who transition (at least socially) will end up detransitioning within the next 5-10 years. Already at this age (early thirties) most of the people I knew who identified as nonbinary don't anymore and are back to their normie genders, most of them actively memoryhole that they ever identified that way. Quite a few of the women I know who 'socially transitioned' also desisted, although I don't know any detransitioners who went far with a medical transition personally but it's probably only a matter of time.

No. 2001739

>>1998511
Plenty of brilliant people get roped into cults, and gender ideology is the greatest cult of our time.

It's the same as religion, but I won't go into that here. Basically there are 100 reasons why someone might be convinced to join a cult, and once they're in, it's VERY hard to convince them the cult is wrong. Especially when every online forum, and method of communicating with them, is moderated by the same cultists that you're warning them against.

No. 2001742

>>2001630
women can have broad shoulders you know, I checked just to be sure and she has explicit contect where you can see shes a woman

No. 2001750

>>2001739
"Brilliant" or high IQ people are more prone to motivated cognition in general, which means that a lot of otherwise intelligent people (especially those that like debating and philosophy and playing devil's advocate like many debunkers) are more prone to genuinely convincing themselves of false or unlikely things if they have some bias or propensity toward believing that thing. Intelligent people are also harder to argue out of their crazy/wrong positions once they are set on having them because they are better at rationalizing. Gendershit is especially bad because it's common in 'intellectual' communities and environments more so than normie/working class environments so it's easy for educated/higher intelligence people to convince themselves they're morally and intellectually superior for believing in gendershit since it's extra common for their own peers to be troons.

No. 2001762

Some other decent GC podcasts are Wandering Womb and Women Talking About Their Lives (recently did a good interview with The Buttress and has a good interview with some detransitioners). Maybe Stone Butch Disco if you're starved for lesbian specific content (host comes across as mildly queer and extremely academia poisoned, but occasionally has GC guests. I think she's interesting to listen to because she talks in a way that won't automatically scare off TIFs/libfems the way openly GC content does.).

>>2001690
Is Blocked and Reported fully gender critical now? I listened to them a bit when they first started but I found they kind of handled trans stuff with kid's gloves and tried to seem more elevated than the big meanie TERFs. I think I remember ragequitting because in one episode Herzog was like "weh MTFs shitting up the lesbian community aren't even a problem so who cares.". It's been so long since I listened though that maybe I'm mixing them up with another podcast. Sorry Katie Herzog if I'm accidentally accusing you of being pro-AGP.

No. 2001879

Please don't transvestigate, it's what they want us to do, they want us distrusting other women and to separate us. It gives them the perfect excuse to write us off as dumb too when we are accusing random people

No. 2002074

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No. 2002089

>>2002074
I wonder how the results would be if it would have been done in the current year, especially for the UK.

No. 2002126

>>2002074
When/what poll is this from?

No. 2002241

Has anyone found out yet what human rights trans people are missing?

No. 2002243

>>2002074
I asked in the ESC thread what the source of this was. It doesn't seem correct.

No. 2002251

>>2002074
Putting two questions in one is such bad polling.

No. 2002258

>>2002241
Getting their cock out in front of women, it's their god given right dammit!

No. 2002261

>>2002074
said this in other thread but copying it to here:
Swede here and that's not accurate. If you ask someone "do you support LGBT rights?" they'd very likely say yes, but if you asked something basic woke as "do you think non-binary is real?" they don't agree unless they're a basement dweller woke terminally online autist, and most people likely still haven't even heard of it. My mom still legit thinks troons are just drag queens and calls them he/him without anyone batting an eye, and she thinks they're glam and fun to watch on tv so she "supports" them. I've still not seen a single local troon who uses our gender neutral pronoun in Sweden. In fact gendies here exclusively go by they/she/he online in English speaking social media, never in Swedish, and I go to fucking anime weeb conventions so I've seen a ton of them kek

And adding here that I fully think it has the same flaw as in English, where people think "transwomen" means "women who identify as trans men"

No. 2002265

>>2002241
troons want the right to cut up kids and teens, and the legal right to also fuck said kids and teens

No. 2002267

>>2002261
Also most people and politicians were against the new self-id law, it only got approved because of retarded ideas of party unity.

No. 2002271

>>2002243
I believe it if it's from a place like reddit, general population fuck no

No. 2002405

>>2002261
>calls them he/him without anyone batting an eye, and she thinks they're glam and fun to watch on tv so she "supports" them
KEKKKK your mom is based

No. 2002467

>>2001762
In the most recent episode she's critical of AGP (with the exception of "it's ok in the privacy of your own home" or whatever) but I wouldn't say the podcast is fully gender critical now. They still seem to believe in some version of true trans.

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No. 2002796

>>2002795
That's just sad

No. 2002802

>>2002795
We already knew girls think like this but it's funny to see them admit it. They literally think "I'm too ugly to be a girl, but compared to (real) boys I'd be a pretty, feminine and cute little twink boy…" and so it begins.

No. 2002806

>>2002795
So they trooned out just because they didn't want to deal with unrealistic standards placed on women?

No. 2002816

>>2002806
Instead of changing the system they change themselves. Weak.

No. 2002835

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The leftists are so conservative, they literally cannot fathom clothes=/=sex. Literally dresses are for girls, pants are for boys. Oh so progressive. Horse shoe theory is real.

No. 2002841

>>2002795
literall trollface

No. 2002854

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Saw this in a manga I read once. Made me kek when I thought that some tif or tim might genuinely get triggered over this.

No. 2002860

>>2002074
Don't TIMs have more rights than the average woman? They get state funded butchery while women in a lot of places can't get abortions or even C sections. Also what a awful fucking question, what if someone were to think transwomen aren't women but believe that everyone should have equal rights or vice versa?

No. 2002861

>>2002854
BJ Alex? Based. But also, one of my family members majored in CIS and always wears shirts that say "CIS ROCKS" and stuff and it always makes me wonder if there are gendies who see it and think she's trying to bully them kek

No. 2002866

This is probably old news (new to me) but has anyone kept up with the "non-binary" outrage over Stawdew Valley? Every time the game creator posts about a patch or an update on twitter, a million she/theys run to the comments to scold him for causing "transphobia" and doxxing in the SDV community.

For those who aren't aware, Stardew Valley is a really cute and relaxing farming simulator which recently got a huge update. In the game, you choose to play either as a male or female. You can marry any of the "eligible" single NPCs in the game regardless of gender. About 8 months ago, a change.org petition was launched to petition the creator to add an option for players to be non-binary. The game creator, ConcernedApe, has yet to respond or fold to these demands. According to the continued complaints, creators who speak out about this "needed" addition are harassed endlessly and doxxed (cannot find any proof of this).

I'm just so incredibly annoyed that even something as wholesome and anodyne as a fucking FARMING SIMULATOR needs to meet these bullshit fake gender standards in order for the public to be satiated. It's just so wildly entitled.

No. 2002888

>>2002261
>pronouns in English only
Yeah that’s almost always the case. Idk if Swedish has neutral pronouns but it’s always funny to see then try to do this act with languages that are heavily gendered like French Italian or Arabic

No. 2002890

>>2002835
They’re so braindead they don’t even get their own ideology or why people are dumbfounded by the current iteration of their movement.

“How can you be against it when you dress up as a woman??” Isn’t a contradiction if anything given their ideology it’s the most rational response

No. 2002891

>>2002866
sounds ridiculous, stardew valley is a game where gender is pretty irrelevant anyway. i actually made a male character by an accident once and played pretty far into the game before even realising it

No. 2002893

>>2002866
He will definitely fold it’ll just take some time

No. 2002903

>>2002893
A former dev who worked on the game has all but come out saying it's a purposeful exclusion by ConcernedApe. He claimed it would be an easy addition, even though other devs and modders have claimed otherwise. He has also made a few other politically-charged comments about ConcernedApe.

CA is also supposedly a 4chan native, so I think there's a decent possibility he won't address it. There is already a widely-available mod that turns the game gender neutral, so I'm not sure why people absolutely insist upon it being a part of the vanilla game.

No. 2002915

>>2002903
>There is already a widely-available mod that turns the game gender neutral
This is what irritates me the most about it. Practically everyone runs a modded SD at this point, and it's a hugely popular mod. So what's the problem? It's just TIFs pissed off that CA isn't caping for them because trannies have pathological control problems.

No. 2002918

>>2002903
do you happen to have the former dev's name/handle, or names/caps of other milky users related to this? id love to read up some more

No. 2002925

>>2002903
>former dev
>stardew valley
gonna need to see some receipts

No. 2002965

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>>2002918
Yes! His handle on Twitter is @MrPodunkian. Go to his replies and scroll back to the end of March. This is when he mostly started to air all his dirty laundry, including some inconclusive screenshots, accusations that ConcernedApe attempted to "troll" him from a burner account, and a few accusations relating to CA's politics. Worth mentioning - he's currently working on a game that many are criticizing as being a Stardew Valley clone. The game is slated to be released soon, so it's hard not to feel like this is him attempting to shill his game. I've included a screencap of him more recently discussing the "pronouns" situation. He made a comment replying to someone as recently as yesterday claiming the linguistic localization are not the reason CA refuses to include gender neutral options.

>>2002925
He definitely was a dev, but the amount of work he put into the game is up for debate. He's credited as Arthur Lee or Mr. Podunkian depending on the version of the game (which apparently was a source of anger for him and his justification for wanting to go public with his distaste for CA, as his "Mr. Podunkian" nickname was excluded in the 1.6 credits update and Arthur Lee was used instead.)

No. 2003000

>>2002965
This is so depressing to read, stardew was meant to be an improvement of harvest moon and having gay marriage made me feel so happy as a teen playing when it first came out. Gotta love troons ruining literally everything. This game was meant to be more progressive yet it’s still not enough.

No. 2003007

>>2002866
Why can’t those players just use their imagination and pretend their character is also a she/they? I hope he continues to ignore them and releases the chocolate factory game.

No. 2003022

>>2003000
It's a huge bummer and I feel so horribly for the creator. Every time he tweets about a game he put his whole heart and soul into he gets lambasted with a ton of "uuh are you going to comment on the fact you are causing TRANS PEOPLE BEING HARASSED!?" comments. Searching "ConcernedApe pronouns" on twitter also returns a ton of really aggressive, demanding tweets.

>>2003007
This is how I feel too. Not to mention - I've played plenty of games where I play as a man, and I've never once felt like I NEED to play as my gender. So why do these people HAVE to play as a non-binary person? It just puts such a bad taste in my mouth how much some people feel everything should be tailored to comfort their specific sensibilities.

No. 2003030

>>2002802
This was 90% of the straight TIFs I knew in middle school and high school. Literally just girls who were not considered pretty in school but thought they were cuter than men and would get more social capital from pretending to be boys with female features. Most of them ended up miserable of course and I was an ugly/awkward tomboy too but instead of trying to look or pretend I was male I just accepted it until I grew into my features and got over my hangups, I just feel sorry for these girls honestly.

No. 2003032

>>2002835
How do they not get that wearing GNC clothing and hair is not the same thing as claiming you're the opposite sex? 80s rockstars are 'transphobic' precisely because they were accepted and idolized despite dressing GNC and knowing what their actual sex was. They know nothing has to stop you from GNC presentation. Genderists act like they're so brave and radical for the most mentally weak of positions, acting like they're not even entitled to wear the clothes or makeup they want because of their sex. Imagine being that cucked by gender norms.

No. 2003049

>>2002866
what's the fucking point if you can be a male/female character and marry anyone of the same or opposite gender? I literally hate how insane americans are about sexual identity.

No. 2003062

>>2003049
Well your hate has blinded you, because it's not about sexual identity it's about non-binary people (most of whom are straight) wanting to be 'represented' and 'seen' in the game.

No. 2003081

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>>2002965
I've included an additional screenshot of the disgruntled former dev making some unsubstantiated claims about the various politics of ConcernedApe and his (CA's) girlfriend. In another tweet, he also claimed CA was "sympathetic" towards Scott Cawthon (creator of FNAF) when information about his political leanings was publicly exposed.

>>2003049
Not even just that - the game allows you to change your name and gender at-will once your raise your friendship to a certain level with the Wizard for 500 in-game gold (which is an incredibly small amount once you've put any amount of time into the game). If you truly feel so ~fluid,~ simply change your gender! But that's a lot less fun than blaming all your problems on some guy who made a game.

No. 2003103

>>2001690
thanks for the rec! Yeah they both cape so hard but this episode was ESPECIALLY bad. I think at one point Michael literally said the word detransitioners, hadn't even gotten into what they were talking about yet, and Aubrey let out a big frustrated sigh. It's just all so gauche, they surface-level act as if they want to be a neutral, logical stance but that goes out the window the second a troon is mentioned. Incredibly transparent.

No. 2003301

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I also love when they do this, because I find it fucking hilarious. It's so damn unsubtle. Imagine being so unconvincing even when your whole life is a performance.

No. 2003302

>>2002861
Kek I want a cis rocks shirt just to see their reaction. Like why would celebrating your own identity, that the tranny folk themselves forced upon us, be bullying the trans? They said we're "cis", so why couldn't we embrace it then.

No. 2003308

>>2003301
I think this is either an autoandrophile talking about herself and getting turned on, or it's someone who wishes to make more tifs ridicule themselves by acting like fools

No. 2003314

>>2003022
>It's a huge bummer and I feel so horribly for the creator.
I feel bad for him but it makes me hopeful he's not a handmaiden, and if he didn't care before this sure should sour him on troons and their "getting genocided" issues clearly being a sham from entitled pricks

No. 2003317

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>>2003308
It's from an "ftm hypno" blog so yes.
As for these lame "forcemasc" images, you can just tell they're trying to replicate the skin-crawling nature of sissy shit but it's in this retarded wattpad writing style. It's trying to scare the terbs or whatever but it just makes me roll my eyes.

No. 2003350

>>2003317
Wow this is the cringiest shit I've ever seen

No. 2003453

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i hate how all gendie activists act like they’ve gone to literal war over TWanZ rIgHTS like the same bitches that can’t order what they want at wing stop and have a breakdown over pronouns think they’re “on the frontlines” like how delusional can you be to think you’re “freedom fighters” and life is SO HARD for the non bineys!!!! and WHY for the love of christ do these freaks always cape so hard for islam?? literal clown world. i hate all of them but this bitch is particularly narcissistic and cringe and legit makes me want to alog. annoyingly i actually liked her song but she as a person and her ugly loser moid are unbelievably objectionable

No. 2003484

>>2003453
She just had to wear a tranny flag top, otherwise no one would realize she's not really a woman! I wonder who had a bigger hate mob following them in sweden, the israeli singer or this lady.

No. 2003510

>>2002965
Wow, sorry for off-topic but I remember this guy Mr. Podunkian from SomethingAwful like twenty years ago. If anyone else here is old like me and remembers failed game project & meme The Zybourne Clock, this is the guy who originally signed up to help program it. IIRC he ended up being the only guy on the team with actual experience, got kicked from the project for criticizing it, and wrote a callout post about what a disaster it was that led to the whole thing collapsing and being mocked. (There are a few easter eggs in Fallout NV referencing it but that's about all that's left of it).

No. 2003749

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>>2001595
she's so based

No. 2003764

>>1998449
I've noticed this with people in general, they might seem nice and smart at first about several topics but you get to the troon topic and it's like their brain just shuts off entirely. even when I didn't know as much about trannies as I do now (before I peaked etc) I still didn't make my brain turn off at the mere mention of it so it's always bizarre to me. It feels similar to how you can meet smart people but they also believe in religion / go full retard the second it's questioned
>>2000105
They're actively trying to make up new words so it can fit gendie ideology and it always just sounds retarded. I hate how Europe gets shit from the US late so it's like, where I live this shit is starting to pick up now whereas in the US I see more people peaking online. It makes me feel like I'm living in two different timelines
>>2002866
Never heard of this but it sounds like a nightmare to be a popular gamedev and have these retards bother you with their bullshit and actively try to pressure you to make your own game worse

No. 2003801

>>2003764
>TRAs might seem nice and smart at first about several topics but you get to the troon topic and it's like their brain just shuts off entirely
>It feels similar to how you can meet smart people but they also believe in religion / go full retard the second it's questioned
This is how you know it’s a religious cult. Intelligent people aren’t less likely to become indoctrinated into an illogical ideology, despite common presumptions about what it means to be “intelligent,” because intelligent people’s brains just come up with convoluted ways to justify their illogical beliefs. Basically, intelligence =/= ability to deduce reality. Instead, social intelligence operates as a function of intra-group pro-social bonding (believing in the same things as your peers and virtue signaling those beliefs so others know you’re part of that particular “tribe”). The cognitive dissonance is crazy

No. 2003802

>>2003453
Her moid looks like he frequents gay bars.

No. 2003883

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>>2003801
nta but you said it nicely. That's how i always knew right away these "intelligent" people were actually retards - virtue signalling at any opportunity they can get while at the same time being terrible in their real lives. Nobody normal and good hearted needs to virtue signall. Actually smart person knows some social points don't matter.
For example my cousin's pedo boyfriend and eventually my cousin as well. On any topic he must lecture you how you're evil and he is correct, how you're manipulated by nazis or something, how we all should be nice to eachother, polite and respect everyone.. he doesn't forget to mention he studies on several universities and does a very complicated bigbrain job… while he's manipulating little girls to troon themselves because "i love you but i can't imagine myself spending the rest of my life with a girl" or grooming 14 yearold boys into a fat fetish and funny things like that. God i hate TRAs.. Motherfucker even corrected people to use the pronouns of the famous troon Stephonknee because "we mut respect her gender".

No. 2003972

>>1998449
I feep the same way about commentary youtubers like Alice Cappelle. They're relatively reasonable until the second they talk about trans "issues", then all their logic goes out of the window.

No. 2003985

>>2003749
>terfs have the most rigid, misogynistic view of what it means to be a woman
i don't get it, it's incredibly easy to look up what the opposing views are (in this case, how "terfs" view womanhood). why would you NOT want to know what the people you hate so much are actually saying? i really can't relate, what peaked me originally was researching gc talking points (partly because i wanted to be a better trans ally kek) and finding out that i really didn't disagree with them at all. of course there are conservatives with rigid views of gender roles etc who also happen to hate troons, but that isn't how jkr or most actual radfems think. if they wanted to make truly effective arguments they would already know this. this shit only leads to people feeling like they've been lied to once they do learn what those eeevil terfs do and don't think, and reasonably so.

No. 2004001

>>2003985
>>2003749
My guess is they mean by thinking women are defined by their genitals, terfs akschually say all women are good for is their sex. Or some other retarded mental gymnastics trannys love to spout.

No. 2004008

>>2003985

I can't believe he people who want little girls to troon out if they like sports and not makeup or that PCOS makes women intersex because they're ugly want to impose the idea it's actually terfs who have narrow views of women kek. In fact it's usually evil terfs reminding women they're still valid as women regardless of hobbies, features, etc.

No. 2004067

>>2003510
Holy shit nona you just uncovered a core memory, lmao. I knew that handle sounded familiar. Four balls on the edge of a cliff…

No. 2004304

>>2002965
kek this game literally lets you:
1) marry any of the romance options regardless of gender (iirc there's even some dialogue specific to same-sex relationships, for example (spoilers) alex's grandpa is kind of homophobic and several romance options nervously admit they didn't expect to be attracted to someone of the same sex so homosexuality isn't just an option, it's also acknowledged;
2) befriend a wizard in the woods and magically change your sex for pocket change without anyone noticing.
how the fuck do they find things to be mad about in a cozy farming simulator? there's already a mod for pronouns, just install it and fuck off (unless they're playing on ios or switch which is just… why)
if CA really doesn't add gendie shit to the game on purpose that's very based of him

No. 2004390

>>2003883
Having the socially sanctioned "moral upper hand" belief just gives you the reward of being able to label yourself as a nice person without actually having to be nice to people. They can take the "it's called empathy!" While also being huge dicks to everyone in their real life.

No. 2004431

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Something I've noticed is that in my class there's one aiden that gets along nicely with everyone, but sometimes I see her friends say stuff like "he's the man!", "you're a very strong man", "he really is victorious!" (cuz her troon name is Victor so they do a pun like that). I didn't think much of it at first but now I think this is just them trying to convince themselves that this girl with short hair is actually a man. She doesn't seem to mind the comments, she chuckles about them. They just feel so forced to me.

No. 2004456

>>2004431
if they saw her as an actual guy they wouldn't force in gendered language into their compliments. it's like how tras try to insert as many she/her's and woman/girl/etc. as possible in their sentences when complimenting dylan mulvaney. they do it to convince themselves but also to virtue signal how much they support trannies and to give them affirmation because they know troons have a fragile sense of self

No. 2004615

>>2003802
i imagine they both do cause they’re so totally KWEERRRR kek

No. 2004692

>>2003317
If this is meant to emulate sissy hypno, aka fetish content, why the fuck are they posting this shit over images of kids??

No. 2004877

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The amount of TIMs who used to be in the military is kinda terrifying. They probably raped children and women overseas before trooning out.

No. 2004881

>>2004877
They probably even rape other soldiers. How do I know? Lots of my family members joined the army and boy does some nasty, degernate shit happen in there.

No. 2004889

>>2004692
Because tiffany is a teenager herself, probably.

No. 2004891

>>2004881
A lot of women (and even some moids) have reported being sexually harassed in the military. Troons' rationale for being militarybros is that they were "suppressing" their "transness," but I honestly think that AGP as a fetish is rooted in chauvinism and misogyny. Think about it: they have sissy fetishes because they view anything stereotypically feminine as inherently humiliating and degrading. These attitudes are born out of their socialization and reinforced by the boys' club career paths they choose, like computer science and the military. AGPs are the most chauvinist, most dangerous type of men to allow into female spaces.

No. 2004937

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No. 2004994

>>2004937
Based peru

No. 2005023

>>2004881
>>2004891
my brother-in-law was in the army and told me porn addiction was pretty common with modern soldiers, like they were in barracks all day and masturbated contentiously, I wonder if that plays a part.

No. 2005048

>>2004937
you better not call this based when they are obviously doing it because they hate gnc people and not because trannies are harmful to women and kids

No. 2005106

>>2004891
Crossdressing for (misogynistic) entertainment is an age-old tradition in militaries and other male-only environments like boarding schools. The only thing that’s changed is that these men are now taking the crossdressing out into the real world full time and expecting everyone to play along.

No. 2005119

>>2004881
Women soldiers in the US Army are infinitely more likely to get raped by their "comrades" than killed or wounded by enemy forces. The push to "draft women" by misogynists will cause a massive rape epidemic and that's why they're so rabid about it. Military males are the lowest of the low, they sell their bodies to other men for little money. Theyre meat prostitutes. No sane straight woman would couple up with one. Porn addicted, violent rape apes all of them.

No. 2005212

Idk if this is the right thread, but my nigel's male friend is dating an mtf and honestly the TIM before transition looks EXACTLY like him. I've made a silent bet with myself that the friend will Troon out too by the end of the year so they can be a true ~lesbian~ couple…. the TIM dresses like a teenage egirl too, so he's probably skinwalking some poor girl somewhere,despite being nearly 40(!).
Brainstorming subtle ways I can show this fucker up when I meet him without getting cancelled by a group at large…

No. 2005218

>>2004881
>>2005119
rape is a massive issue among military moids. they are incapable of restraining their disgusting violent urges so when there are no women around they prey on weaker men just like they do in prison environments. officials either cover it up or the victims don't report it all because they are ashamed or fear retaliation. i've also heard horror stories of men bringing civilian women and girls onto bases and setting them up to be raped. many mothers who have served in the military would never encourage their daughters to join because they know exactly how she would be treated.

No. 2005272

>>2004891
>AGP as a fetish is rooted in chauvinism
Exactly. I know tons of military moids; they're either traumatized by mistreatment and end up acting like wounded dogs, aloof and unpredictably aggressive (which could accelerate the troonout) or they're straight up pedos with a tinge of psychopathy and impulsive behavior. Only a minority are well-adjusted and balance out the violence with their aspirations. AGPs aren't 'repressing' anything by enlisting in the army, they find an outlet for agression and masculine pride before the consequences make them troon out (because if you fail at a male pursuit, you might as well be a 'woman'). That or they were like fishes in a pond and that disregard for the other carries on to their public expression of their fetish. Either way these are very manly men doing very manly things: having a sexuality that revolves around humiliation and male worship. Even non-AGP moids of that caliber revel in the weird humiliation rituals they endure at the hands of stronger men (the alt-right is basically this)

No. 2005293

>>2004692
>emulate
>wouldn't the emulation be pre-2020 fakebois and tifs who atleast pretend to be actual moids feminizing themselves?
>with your logic a tif who emulates women is not being transphobic to herself (as in less earnestly wanting to pass) in troonlandia standards.

No. 2005331

I don’t want it to seem like I’m race baiting but as a Black woman I can’t help but notice the differences between Black and White TIMs. I’ve noticed that there are more white troons transitioning in their middle aged years. You don’t really see this with Black TIMs. Next the most obvious one is probably sexuality. White TIMs 50 percent of the time are “transbians.” Black troons on the other hand seem to be mostly attracted to men. While both force themselves into women’s spaces and delude themselves into believing they are real women, Black troons have a sort of pick me-ism about them. They spend a lot more time trying to compete sexually with women (black women in particular), often bragging about fucking women’s cheating partners without them knowing or trying to convince men they are a better sexual option than biological women. While doing this they will speak down on women and our biological processes, trying to frame them in a negative light. White troons on the other hand try and appropriate these female attributes for themselves, like claiming they get periods.

No. 2005389

>>2005331
White moids don't have the same experiences with homophobia and down low isn't as much of a thing with them, so there's fewer white gay moids assuming they'd have an easier time as a "straight woman" instead of a gay man. That leaves more of them to be straight predators who think that they'll get to live out their porny lesbian fantasies if they transition.

No. 2005527

>>2004877
it has been known for a long time that many men come out of the military with sissy fetishes since they confuse the emasculation they experienced with sexual desire because moids are too retarded to comprehend feelings and rudimentary psychology

No. 2005533

>>2005218
I wish women would wisen up and refuse to join the military so they could all sodomise eacother to death. Although I don't believe it to be "rape" as most probably just regret acting out on their gay urges. Male on male rape is a meme fueled by false accusations and homophobia.

No. 2006315

i really hope this is the right thread for this because i need help. my brother is a mentally ill retard who fell into tra shit so hard that he decided he was mtf and came out to our family over the fucking phone.
no one but my sister (who has stopped speaking to me entirely) is okay with any of this shit.
a little less than a year ago, he came by my house to visit, and i found out that he was spending his rent money on hrt from folx or whatever. he had been asking my mom to supplement rent. he’s morbidly obese, mentally ill, delusional, has a tbi, and is at an increased risk of dvt due to a hereditary vein malformation. they still prescribed him estrogen and finasteride after a single online visit, because that’s apparently legal and ethical.
upon finding his shit, i told my mom, who sat him down and explained that this was a complete and utter violation of her trust. my mom has cried every single fucking day since he decided to “come out” as a goddamn transbian of all things. she told him he was not allowed to buy hrt anymore, and needed to take his psychiatric meds and get into therapy instead. he refuses. he can’t go back to the psychiatrist my family has been with for 10 years because she refuses to take patients on cross-sex hormone therapy due to lack of research on how it can interact with psychiatric meds.
i found his reddit today, and a few months ago, he was celebrating 1.5 years on hrt. he has not stopped. he’s still asking my mom for rent money; bleeding us dry. he’s on academic probation and is not allowed to attend his uni right now. he can’t come home to live with my mom and me so that we can monitor him due to a recent lease he signed. that might be a good thing considering some things i’ve personally tried to bury in the recesses of my mind, like catching him staring at my breasts while i tired to talk to him at the breakfast table; knowing that he stole my mom’s bra when he was a teenager.
i hate this shit so fucking much. i’ve tried to hold on hope. i peaked very recently and i don’t know what i believe anymore. i’m hesitant to call my little brother a pervert. i don’t think he’s bad at heart, but i think he’s a man with some sort of agp that has no respect for the only women in his life who care about his health. my father lost his first son, and he told my mom that he can’t lose my brother because he’s the only son he has left. apparently it’s best to harm your entire fucking family so you can “live your truth” or whatever the fuck. he was such a normal child. i don’t understand what the fuck happened. i don’t know how to tell my mom that i looked him up on reddit of all places and found out he’s still on cross-sex hrt instead of his fucking antipsychotics. i can’t keep watching her cry. why is that shit so fucking easy to access? what the hell do i do, and how do i continue to live my life? how the fuck did my brother become a raging misogynist? there are very few people i can talk to about this. i’m so lost.

tdlr: my little brother is a mentally ill agp who is lying to my family about taking hrt and taking money from my mother in the process, because apparently it’s better to indulge yourself in a delusion than to actually get help for your psychiatric issues, and god forbid anyone speak out against it. fucking kill me.

No. 2006316

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While I think most trans supporters are just well-meaning liberals, I believe the overly enthusiastic "anti-TERFs" are undoubtedly sex pests and perverts

No. 2006329

>>1992125
Chaotic hsts is the average cleveland tranny

No. 2006333

>>2006315
I’m so sorry your family is going through this. He’s a selfish narcissist who gets off on causing the women around him pain. Please convince your mom to cut him off financially, at least, if not all together. He doesn’t deserve any of her support. Does she know much about these men? Would showing her some peaking material help get her angry so that she cuts him off? I’d definitely show her the Reddit account, too. Wishing you all the best, nonnie, and keeping you and your mom in my thoughts.

No. 2006337

>>2006316
I know one gay man who's a terf hater, he cannot just stfu and always has to pitch in when trannies are talked about like he's got a notification for the word "trans" or something…. like anybody cares about his opinion and I can confirm that he's a pedo who orders childsized fuckdolls from abroad.
They defend trannies so much because they know very well that trannies are also in most cases pedo or zoofiles too, it's like they can sence the dark vibe and want to protect member of their dark species.

No. 2006345

>>2006315
ugh, that really sucks, i'm sorry. unfortunately i don't think there is much you can do to change his mind or behavior. in the end he is the only one responsible for his actions. you don't have to tolerate any of it, but try not to be rage fuel for him either as that could push him down further (unless you're in a situation where you have to, obviously). don't coddle him either, be firm in your stance on this. i would probably incorporate something similar to "grey rocking" in a situation like this. you can try making him know that you and your family will always be there for him in case he has doubts or thoughts of detransition. telling your mom about the money might be a good idea. in any case, don't be too harsh on yourself. try not to dwell on your brother's failures, and put yourself first instead.

No. 2006349

>>2006315
jesus fucking christ nonnie, i am so sorry your brother is putting you through all of this shit. i agree with >>2006333, if he wants to fuck himself up, let him do it with his own money. he may be severely mentally ill, but that isn't an excuse for misogyny or the perverted shit he did to you and your mom. these types of men (overweight, brain damaged, mentally ill) are at a higher risk for trooning out, likely due to not fitting in with other men and wanting a community (that doesn't include women as anything but sex objects because, of course, women are subhuman). on one hand, it's easy to feel pity for him due to his mental state, but on the other there is likely not much you could have done to help him or much you can do now except distance yourself from him so he doesn't drag you down into despair. ceasing contact with a family member is fucking hard and painful, but staying in contact with them while they ruin themselves and you as well is even worse.
put yourself and your mother first nonnie, you deserve it.

No. 2006385

>>2006316
I think these men are just misogynists who are happy to have a group of women who it’s socially acceptable to hate.

No. 2006406

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No. 2006413

>>2002074
I wish Finland was 41% that would've been hilarious. 40% is quite low, I could swear it is much higher in Helsinki.

No. 2006491

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>>2006316
This post on Ovarit nailed it i think. It's funny because it applies to both gay moids and weak tranny chasers

No. 2006712

As the days go by lately my hate for gendies and troons have just kept growing, I can't handle the insanity anymore nonnies. I've simply just had enough.

No. 2006899

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massive kek at calling serano a biologist

No. 2006909

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>>2006899
samefag, the same specimen i found this post from also reblogged a post making fun of a woman who's paranoid about her safety while home alone, picrel are some of the comments

https://www.tumblr.com/plushiedoggy/750737537679638528

No. 2006992

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>>2006316
another one

No. 2006994

>>2006992
Genuinely disgusts me to see a moid wearing a labrys necklace. I’d be tempted to yank that shit right off him if I saw him irl

No. 2006995

>>2006909
>people in the comments making paranoia a white woman thing
The video is overkill but I'm black and I'm a paranoid fuck who'd sleep with a gun and multiple locks on her doors if it weren't so expensive.

No. 2007047

>>2006385
i think you're right. the most loudest terf hater i knew was a pornsick misogynist who suddenly became loud twitter-leftist TRA overnight in 2015

No. 2007339

>>2006406
Is that leftypol? It's so weird to see "woke" chanspeak like that.

No. 2007415

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Oh my god. This happened a month or so ago but in case this wasn't already talked about, get this: Dead by Daylight created a new killer called The Unknown, which seems to be a shape-shifting creature that mimics human voices and appearances to lure in victims. Now, this character was played by a tranny, specifically a TIM. But Dead by Daylight released a skin where the Unknown is dressed up like a woman, and is basically like a monster in a skirt. Twitter saw this, formed the connection, and went on a rampage that it's transphobic because of the supposed allegory that the Unknown is a caricature of "transwomen". The tranny voice actor saw this drama, and wrote a crybaby article about how offended he was at the Dead by Daylight staff. You wanna know what's ironic about this? I wouldn't have even connected the dots of the Unknown being a huge joke on trannies had it not been for TRAs loudly making that connection in the first place. Next is the tranny voice actor seeing the parallels so well that he took offense. Then there's the irony of this unintentionally "transphobic" move on Dead by Daylight's part despite shoehorning that ugly ass LGBTQ+ flag all over their trial maps. The fact that the Unknown can be seen as an allegory for trannies only makes it even more repulsive, and would give me another reason to sprint at break neck speed in the game. And finally. Finally. The tranny voice actor? Zoey Alexandria? Yeah, he fucking DIED. Not even a month ago. HOLY SHIT.

No. 2007450

>>2006413
Do you have many trannies in finland? It seems like a country that wouldn't have much of that.

No. 2007451

>>2007415
Yeah this has already been discussed both in this thread and the TIM thread. He died of some autoimmune thing.

No. 2007455

>>2006491
100% true. These men look down on TIMs (which is why it doesn’t phase them when you show them evidence of TIMs being predatory degenerates) but not as much as they look down on women, and they’re overjoyed to have a subset of males who are lower on the masculinity totem pole than they are.

No. 2007460

>>2006333
>>2006345
>>2006349
thank you, nonnies. i truly appreciate the advice and the concern. i’ll try to gather the strength to tell my mom as soon as a i can. i’m thinking about doing it in the morning. she needs to know.
he was on r/mtf posting about how he was seeing changes on hrt after only 4 days of use or something if you want to know just how delusional he is. he doesn’t take care of himself at all, and it’s terrible to watch. he was a premie and an extremely sickly child. watching my mom essentially lose him to his delusions after he survived so much as a child is terrifying. she’s scared he’s going to kill himself.
i don’t think i can bring myself to cut him off entirely. not yet at least. that being said, he is definitely willing to cut me off. he removed me from all of his social media because he knew i was telling our mom about his bullshit. he’s blocked my phone number and called me a bitch and whore in a fucking cluster b rage before. he’s horrifically unstable and he’s just been allowed to poison his body because that’s apparently the best thing we can do for mentally ill men that want to be lesbians.
i may update after i tell my mom. thank you guys for caring about her. she truly is a wonderful mother. and, yes, she’s painfully aware of agps now thanks to him.

No. 2007474

>>2007460
Maybe it would be helpful for you and your mom to look into support groups/resources for family members of addicts? Addicts can also be extremely manipulative and destructive to their families and it’s often difficult for the family to help them without enabling them to spiral further into the addiction. There are a lot of similarities between drug addicts and pornsick men who’ve let AGP take over their life, so I think some of those resources could be relevant to your situation.

No. 2007479

>>2007474
i just told my mom. she got home late and i realized i should just rip the bandage off. she called him. she’s on the phone with him now trying to figure out what the fuck he’s thinking and doing.
resources would be greatly appreciated. i think his biggest issue is his mental illness rather than porn addiction, but i think porn fed into the illness. he’s trying so hard to convince her he’s stable and feels great about himself. she doesn’t believe him, obviously. i guess we’ll see what happens. it’s all so much.

No. 2007517

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Oh wow youre so counter culture. You’re so rebellious

No. 2007518

>>2007415
Why are there so many trans VAs wtf. How do companies keep finding them

No. 2007609

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No. 2007621

>>2007518
They do tend to be media over-consumers. Makes sense they’d choose such a career path.

No. 2007676

>>2007479
I'm very sorry to hear how much damage your bother is doing nonna, it's good that you told your mom so hopefully you both can figure out a way to deal with this. The best of luck to you and your family.

No. 2007819

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>>2006899
Serano's argument against gametes being binary is that different species have different gametes from humans. This is such a ridiculous point to bring up when talking about human biology specifically. What's next, some animals have wings so human-to-bird transspecies is valid?

No. 2007883

>>2007518
They’re not even good, FFXIV has a TIM for a new female character in the upcoming expansion and the voice acting is really terrible. But of course nobody is allowed to have that opinion!

No. 2007929

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lol

No. 2007930

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No. 2007951

>>2007609
based
>>2006712
same. this moid i know is trooning out and keeps sperging out everyday about how he's getting "girl drugs" and is "gonna dress like a huge slut" and i just hope he gets sick and dies at this point from injecting this shit into himself. i used to have sympathy and feel bad for him since he's autistic but i can't take it anymore

No. 2007954

>>2007929
>>2007930
Wtf did I just read

No. 2007965

>>2004390
kek this is so true. I'm so sick of interacting with people who label themselves as nice and act like they're sooo much kinder than me simply because they say anything and everyone is valid including troon shit and never criticize anything. they'll call me a bad person simply because I don't do the same and have committed thought crimes or whatever in their eyes. they'll ghost people, act like massive pieces of shit, throw a tantrum if you have any differing views from theirs, be emotionally unintelligent and unavailable, and somehow think they're still a nicer person than me just because they validate mentally ill people's delusions. i wish i knew actually nice people instead of these larpers

No. 2007968

>>2007930
Wait is this a shitpost? This can't be a real article, even the moronic point that the most important thing we do every day is choose to display our gender (just the mightiest of wtfs to that) conflicts with the subsequent idea that we do this for reproductive purposes, since clearly trans women can't reproduce in the way their advertised gender can (the writer is basically saying they have dibs on falsely advertising themselves as women, over gender nonconforming men) and therefore the idea they are fighting for - men wearing dresses - is clearly not for reproductive purposes and disproves that theory instantly. Also conflating cis men wearing women's clothes as competing or virtually identical to trans women goes against the tranny playbook where we are supposed to emporer's new clothes it and not see any difference. The premise of this article is that trans women look like men in dresses and a cis man in a dress confuses the issue. either a child wrote this or it's a cryptoterf.

No. 2007970

>>2007930
>when you get out of bed in the morning the most important thing you have to do all day is tell the world what your gender is
i legit wish my life was this easy

>office supervisor (..) police (…) are all human constructs

isn't everything a human construct?

>deep down your real job is to reproduce

ah, so that's why trannies advertise themselves as the opposite gender, in order to attract people with the same genitals as them, which we all know it's the way mammals reproduce
also, kinda homophobic

No. 2007987

>>2007929
>>2007930
Most naval-gazing shit I’ve ever read

No. 2008001

>>2007929
>>2007930
Wow. This isn’t satire of some sort? It’s incredibly self-contradictory.

No. 2008008

>>2008001
I literally do not believe this is meant seriously, it's too perfect. Crypto writer having a lol?

No. 2008016

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>>2007929
>>2007930
Decided to look it up to check if people were dunking on it in the comments. This article was initially posted in 2016, and the single comment there is a based woman who commented on 2022.

Fuck me, 2016 and trannies were spouting the exact same retardation as now.

No. 2008021

>>2007930
Do these people ever meet women irl kek

No. 2008109

>>2008016
You made me look it up too and the author is a TIM. Makes more sense now. He was just butthurt a non-tranny man was wearing a skirt and that might someday threaten people playing along with his fantasy correctly.

No. 2008137

>>1994370
i'm the neutral fakeboi but with she/her pronouns

No. 2008494

>>2008137
Ma'am, what are you even doing here?

No. 2008509

>>2008494
NTA but tomboys exist?

No. 2008675

Vice made a very manipulative video about detransitioners that infuriates me. The crux of the argument being made is that it's somehow bad that the right co-opts the experiences of detransitioners who willing choose to work with the right and radical feminists to push gender affirming care being wrong. The one thing i agree with is that it's being used as a way to get votes, only because left wingers, many of which clearly do not agree with transition, are too afraid of alienating voters or would rather ignore the issue all together. This issue shouldn't even be a political one, it's one about human rights and medical system choosing feelings over reality. This video is extremely biased and pretends not to be and is downright disgusting. It also have more dislikes that likes 2k:3K but we have no idea what that really tells us because the comments section is locked. There are numerous other things wrong with this video, the typical bullshit we hear all the time about freedom to ruin their bodies or trans healthcare saving lives. I swear, everytime i see shit like this blatantly lying to people just to cover their own asses, whatever little sympathy is have for these people continues to dive into the negatives. reminds me why i never like vice, i hope they vanish away within the next few months.

No. 2008682

>>1994370
it's so nuts how typical gendies are because i swear i know at least one of almost everything on this list. barring lawful trutrans and chaotic trutrans – the neutral trutrans i know overdosed on greek slashfic and pinterest images of twinks

No. 2008684

>>2008675
>trans Healthcare saving lives
I can dismantle the entire tranny myth that gender reassignment surgery stops suicide attempts with one single detail: it doesn't. IIRC, suicides and attempts actually increase AFTER 'gender reassignment' surgeries. This argues that trannies are NOT, in fact, happy after they get what they want. So when they swear that 'trans healthcare' is productive and will "save lives" they are lying.

No. 2008695

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>>2007930
>>2007929
>Trannies when they discover what a butch lesbian is

No. 2008706

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This is gonna get me banned for “attempted infighting across boards” yeah lol ok but god this copium is so pathetic. Men. Do. Not. Care. About. Women. They see lesbians as a porn category and not as actual humans beyond a sexualized pov. It’s autogynephilia simple as, straight men are able to turn into AGPs, the very thought of pretending to embody the traits of women is what turns them on. Trannies are just mentally ill sex pests and straight men certainly do not give a fuck about suffering women all around the world, they are more concerned about what gets them off.

No. 2008713

>>2008684
They will rebuttal that the suicides are caused by transphobia even though society at large were always neutral towards trans people. The issue is that no matter what we do for troons as a society, it will never be enough. They don't seek to be treated as normal human beings, they seek to be worshipped as gods. The sooner we as a global society can criminalize troonery, the quicker we can go back to ignoring them.
>>2008706
The perceived purity of lesbian relationships is literally part of the fetish many agps have for lesbians. That anon is engaging in serious wishful thinking. The same troon talking about lesbians being so pure will also have a scat fetish on the side.

No. 2008716

>>2008706
Troonism can be thought of as the rational culmination of a male realizing how vile he is.

No. 2008720

>>2008706
I don't see why your post would be considered infighting. In fact, I absolutely agree with you. When I saw that post, I thought that nona was viewing them from too much of a sympathetic lens and attributing too much empathy in troons. When, on the contrary, troons tend to end up lacking empathy. For example, many of them readily admit and say "I don't care about making women uncomfortable, I'm going to use the bathroom, you stupid TERF cunts." They're absolutely narcissists, and there's already a high comorbidity with NPD or other personality disorders. That aside, as you mentioned, men don't care about women's issues or the violence they as a group impose on women. Those men view lesbians as a porn category, and they've gone so deep in their porn addiction that they want to become a woman and be a "lesbian." That's the short and simple answer. There's no need to embellish it with men having a guilt complex and seeing the reality of violence against women. If that was the case, those very men would take the time to make the world a better place for women by standing up for them or offering them help. Instead, those men troon out and impose their will on women and harass them into compliance. It all perpetuates the same old patriarchal cycle. It's all so tiresome, isn't it?

No. 2008727

>>2008716
Troons are the ultimate “not like other men” men. Societies expectation of men, and womens expectations of men especially, are of a stupid violent exploitative rape ape and so troons seek to not be like other men by presenting themselves as harmless laydees who just want to be bffs and soft uwu princesses instead of the rapists we suspect them to be (and that they often are). Whether societies expectations of the sexes are valid or not isn’t really the point but nlogs and nloms seem to suffer the same delusion that if they could just prove societies expectations wrong they’ll be treated like they’re worthy (obviously that means something different for each sex).

No. 2008732

>>2007518
they went out of their way to hire a trans va, something about "they can do a male and female voice" since the monster doesn't have a gender and just imitates men and women or something like that

No. 2008743

>>2008716
There’s plenty of men who realize how shitty they are and guess what? They don’t care, are apathetic to that fact and don’t manage to troon out. MtFs are less than 1% of the population and are barely common, the problem is their dogmatic agenda being blasted to the mainstream to be used as a psychological weapon. Men are perfectly capable of staying regular males and realizing how useless and destructive their entire existence is, that’s what drug and drinking is for. Men don’t operate like TIFs where their gender identity confusion is caused by massive internal problems about their womanhood being flawed or feeling like being a woman is true failure because they don’t face the same societal struggles. It is a fetish, plain and simple.

No. 2008879

>>1994370
>mfw someone i have a crush on is late stage lawful fakeboi (microdosed t for a hot 5 minutes, tit chopped, is now a they/them in her mid 30s indistinguishable from the average nerdy bihet woman)

Life is suffering, huh

No. 2009118

Apparently the only women who feel 'emasculated' are tifs. Just wanna know if a woman who isn't one is capable of it too.

No. 2009124

>>2009118
In what way? i lift and i hate i will never be as beefy as men, but thats it. It sucks but you sadly gotta learn to accept your body's limits.

No. 2009126

>>2009124
In a way a woman can outdo a tif, I've never heard of butch women disputing with other women the butch role

No. 2009129

>>2009126
tifs are on testosterone though so they can get fucking roided if they want to, but they are fat

No. 2009135

>>2008706

I would not be as absolute as men do not care about women, but people are self interested, it's possible that some, already emotionally stunted men, do transition as a form of virtue signaling, or simply not wanting to be perceived as "the enemy" just like white women try to hard to not be associated with being a colonizer.

No. 2009142

>>2008706
>no icky yucky male
That they don't want to risk auto-selfinserting kek

No. 2009145

>>2005533
Homophobia? Isn't gay rape homophobic in itself? Stop shitting on straight people

No. 2009146

>>2008706
I genuinely think the obsession they have over lesbians is just because they think lesbian porn is hot. Growing up in the 00s, men watching lesbian porn was constantly brought up to the point I saw men joking saying "hey I'm a lesbian too!". Then in the 10s women had enough of a voice to say, hey this is fucking weird and objectifying. Now in current time, men saw the backlash against straight men being into lesbian porn, so they decided they will become a lesbian so that it's "politically correct". I don't think there's any deeper meaning than it gets their dicks hard.

No. 2009147

>>2005119
>Military males are the lowest of the low, they sell their bodies to other men for little money.
Hurrdurr rape apologist(infighting)

No. 2009160

>>2009147
>says this but protects those same males that rape women and children in foreign countries during times of war or deployment.
>They even rape their own comrades, have them killed, and desecrate their corpses to avoid getting caught
>Its gotten to the point where women in the army are more likely to be sexually assaulted by a fellow soldier than an enemy on the frontlines
Hurrdurr rape apologist

No. 2009161

>>2005331
I’ve seen black AGPs, mostly Twitter porn addicts. I fear they will become more common in the years to come. Liberals already worship black trannies, why would a loser black male jump into this opportunity?

No. 2009168

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>>2008684
The only data that suggests people are ‘happier’ (not the same as being less suicidal) after taking steps to transition comes from people who are polled immediately after first taking those steps, so people who’ve just started hormones or just had surgery. What we’re seeing is the result of pain medication, the short-term antidepressant effect of testosterone, one hell of a placebo effect and the high that addicts experience when chasing the dragon. There’s a reason gender clinics don’t follow up on their patients or collect long term data because that would clearly show this is all very short term and that their mental wellbeing only goes downhill afterwards when the high wears off and the consequences of their self-inflicted health issues become more apparent. It’s easy to ascribe any subsequent suicides to ‘transphobia’ if you purposefully neglect to follow their mental health trajectory after chopping them up. Transgenderism is medical malpractice on every possible level. I suspect we’ll be seeing more instances like that surgeon’s online review that was essentially an accusatory suicide note from an ex-TIM.

>>2008713
>They don't seek to be treated as normal human beings, they seek to be worshipped as gods.
Pic related. They’re literally a self-appointed priest class.

No. 2009206

>>2005331
White tims hide behind black tims, the memeified theme of oppression

No. 2009304

>>2008016
>Fuck me, 2016 and trannies were spouting the exact same retardation as now.
Girl, they've been this stupid since 2010 in my experience. People just decided to smile and nod to it now.

No. 2009361

>>2008706
Her observations on yurifags are correct but it's just part of the disgust they have for their male features, which is itself related to AGP and whatever collection of fetishes they have. Funnily enough some male detransers and 4chan dwellers will attempt to blame feminism for making them this way, it's a deflection from why they really loathe their masculinity (because it gets in the way of their fetish).
TiMs might get really into feminist theory and go on and on about being 'sex traitors' but it's still in service to their 'one of the girls' feelings, and they never lose sight of their male interests in the process.

No. 2009471

>>2006315
i have no advice, nona, but i want to commiserate. i also have a brother who came out as a troon, even though he was never GNC in his life but he has, of course, been addicted to video games and anime. he is taking HRT despite having multiple serious health conditions that are being adversely impacted by this. we used to agree on GC talking points, but he totally fell down some reddit cracked egg meme rabbit hole. frankly, i have given up on him and fear that he will end up dying over this self-imposed stupid shit. it really sucks but he has made his own bed.

No. 2009627

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I hate how we went backwards in terms of progress, the T is the cancer of the community.

No. 2010069

>>2006315
>>2009471
Yes I also want to commiserate with you nonnas. I have a cousin who's a MTF AGP (although he dates other MTFs, so I feel like he straddles the line between HSTS and AGP) and idk how to deal with it. I tell my mom that I think he's mentally ill (and my clueless out of touch boomer mom basically tell me to "be kind!") and I've told other relatives that I think he's a mentally ill autist who got sucked into a cult, but I have no idea how to talk to him and his mother (my cousin) about it. I basically just treat my cousin like the autistic, maybe gay or bisexual furry Pokemon-loving nerd male hat he is, but whenever he calls himself a lesbian, or his mom mentions "her daughter", I'm just like "uh huh, yeah, okay sure".

No. 2010278

It makes me really sad that women with (female) children interested in STEM are now acting like they are 'male brained' with male interests, even in the west, and bragging about how GNC their female children are for being interested in basic science. First of all because certain STEM fields (like biology) have become female-dominated in the last 10-20 years and also just because I think it was generally established that women and girls are gatekept out of STEM and don't show less interest in it. It feels like we as a society are literally regressing. I did my undergrad STEM degree more than 10 years ago and at the time the gender balance in my degree was about 60/40 women, with more male profs but more female students. Now I constantly see posts implying that girls interested in ecology or evolution or whatever at a young age are mentally boys. Back when I was doing undergrad in STEM the main argument was whether it was more 'inspiring' for girls to see feminine presenting women as STEMlords or whether masculine presenting women should be seen as role models as well, now it feels like we're back to square one acting like girls aren't interested in any scientific field at all. It's truly bizarre and hard to grasp when women are in general doing better in university and more likely than men to graduate university that genderists are still promoting this 'STEM is a male interest' crap after all these years.

No. 2010405

>>2010069
>HSTS dating another troon
Are they gonna fight who plays the "woman" because both are troons and HSTS wants the woman role in a fantasy?

No. 2010414

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It makes me so freaking mad that every time I go to look up a female health issue, all the "legitimate" medical sites (Medical News Today, Cleveland Clinic, etc.) say "people with cervixes" and similar BS. Why should I trust anything these people say about medicine when they don't even know what a woman is? People say to stop being obsessed with the gender issue, but it's impossible to do that when it gets shoved in your face just for reading stuff about female health.

No. 2010436

>>2009118
I'm a GNC bi woman and I sometimes unconsciously see very masculine women as competition (while also being attracted to them). It's retarded but I can't help it.

No. 2010572

There’s an agp at my all girls school that keeps asking people to meet up/hook up on our school’s social media. It’s so creepy, the actual women don’t act like that.

No. 2010629

>>2010414
i feel the exact same way. it disgusts me that women's health issues can't be discussed without placating autogynephilics and NLOGs who hate other women so much that they refuse to accept that they are one.

No. 2010630

>>2009627

Statement such as "being trans is not a medical condition" "but medical treatemends are demanded ASAP"

"Born in the wrong body" "The true authentic-self" -> I'm born in the wrong body i was supposed to be rich and skinny.

No. 2010655

>>2010414
this troon appeasing language does the most harm to vulnerable women (low education, low income, ESL, etc.) who may not know that they have a cervix because they are woman, which is a summation of the entire TRA movement

No. 2010660

>>2010436
In a moid way or just someone to casually compare stats with

No. 2010663

>>2010436
Same, and only for other women. Especially tifs, actually, not because they are actually masculine but because hey, since I'm not pretending to a man, I must have some innate feminine essence they've ascended.
That's how I thought when I was a young gendie at least.

No. 2010666

>>2010663
My goal is to become more masculine than the TIFs and make them all insecure.

No. 2010783

>>2004877
Men with potential and decent life prospects don't join the military as a career. Of course it attracts the worst of the worst.

No. 2011384

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>>2004877
The first "non-binary" person in the U.S. was a male veteran who is now gender-critical: https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/03/10/i-was-americas-first-non-binary-person-it-was-all-a-sham/

No. 2011657

>>2009627
I really wish more bi women were part of wanting to separate the LGB from the TQ. It seems to be mostly febfems and they're great but I wish more women would wake up and stop catering to TIMs

No. 2011681

>>2011657
Seeing the amount of handmaiden bi women who willingly date TIMs is fucking depressing. Even worse when they're a coomer and think they're dating a "real life futa" (blegh)

No. 2011699

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>>2011384
Nope, completely flip flopped again and went back to saying he's a woman according to wikipedia. he wrote about it on a now deleted wordpress blog. https://web.archive.org/web/20221229055132/https://elisashupe.wordpress.com/2022/03/03/elisa-shupe-setting-the-record-straight-about-james-shupe/ not sure what he's up to now, maybe he flip flopped again.

No. 2011736

>>2011699
Oh, that's unfortunate. Thanks for the update.

>I continued to suffer from debilitating gender dysphoria

Hope he gets therapy for his dysphoria and realizes it does not make him a woman.

No. 2011739

>>2011736
His life honestly sounds like a struggle. I would love to know what it has been like for his wife too.

No. 2011743

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>>2011739
Agreed. After reading about the abuse and PTSD he endured I feel really bad for him.

Unfortunately, it looks like he's a ChatGPT activist now too: https://www.techpolicy.press/dont-let-the-copyright-fight-take-away-my-ability-to-create/

No. 2011749

>>2011743
>Despite the stigma, she openly employs artificial intelligence to bridge gaps — in her case, from disabilities and a lack of traditional education in writing.
kek! oh my god that's funny

No. 2011751

>>2011749
Like, I'm sorry that your disabilities have hindered your writing ability. But that does not mean you should claim ChatGPT's writing as your own

No. 2011778

Seeing AI "art" gives me a similar anger to seeing TIMs, and I think it's because both are lying about what they actually are. AI prompters often try to imitate how artists act the same way TIMs try to imitate how women act, saying ~inspirational~ stuff like how they want to use AI to "realize their vision"

No. 2011997

>>2010660
What would the moid way be? When it happens I do get this retarded urge to act more masculinely around the person causing me to feel this way, and in my understanding that's what retarded moids may do as well.
>>2010663
When it comes to TIFs I feel a strange kind of schadenfreude for being able to be masculine and a woman, while TIFs are too weak to do that and thus have trooned out.

No. 2012092

>>2011749
That blurb was 100perc written by chatgpt.

No. 2012319

>>2011743
"democratizing force in the creative arts"
That's certainly one way to describe plagiarism.
>>2011778
The stupid thing is that it's not a vision any more than just reuploading some random shit they found on Google images is.

No. 2012502

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I think that this troon shit will not go away on its own, I think it will take at least another 10 years, enough time to study the long term effect of horse piss on humans, like when cigarettes used to be advertised on magazine and now they don't even have colorful packaging but they keep selling it so smoke junkies don't jump off a bridge, I'll believe it will be the same with hormones. Idk, weird feeling.

No. 2012717

>>2012502
I'm just wondering what will gradually make it stop. There will still be transpeople after it stops being trendy (to use your cigarette comparison, my parents were around when smoking was advertised to kids and are still smokers). I honestly think it'll be the detransitioners and if the current "transkids" on puberty blockers grow up.

>>2011736
>Hope he gets therapy for his dysphoria and realizes it does not make him a woman.
His Substack and interviews were taken offline but I explicitly remember him mentioning in a blog post that therapists refused to help him to the point he sought out Christian conversion therapy. He had an interview on Benjamin Boyce where he said even medical professionals wouldn't help him unless he re-identified as trans. I don't have that much sympathy for him because he also detailed how he coerced his wife to pretend to be a man during sex and rope her into his fetishes, but for people like him I have no idea how someone can "get help" when therapists and medical professionals buy into gender identity.

No. 2012729

>>2012717
IIRC, the vast majority of children and teenagers that identify as 'transgender' will grow out of it once they reach adulthood. So it actually is a phase. Whatever 20-something gendietard you see on tiktok is an outlier.

No. 2012889

>>2011657
The most openly TERFy women I know are all bi or straight, it's the lesbians in my social circle who always cave to TQ shit I assume because they can't have any spaces at all unless they cater to them. All my female exes are bisexual and they're all terves. I think sometimes it's easier for bi women to resist AGP scrotes because they don't have to argue about 'genital preferences' or whatever they can just be like sorry I don't like you specifically.

No. 2012895

When I was in college in 2022 my intro to human reproduction class had a mid 30s non-binary woman guest speaker tell us that being non-binary means some days she rather wear pants than a dress. In a room full of women wearing pants. I’m pretty sure none of my classmates were obvious gendies but when we were assigned to come up with a list of class rules the first one everyone agreed on was respecting pronouns. I’m so glad I don’t go there anymore

>>2012502
Why is it always about dating and being sexually attractive? Why does that have to be the second line of even this

No. 2012916

>>2012895
Lmao nonna how far education has fallen in the 10 years since I took human biology classes. I can't believe it all happened so fast, when I was in college the only mention of 'gender' in a biological context was just some psychology prof saying 'biological sex is binary including intersex people who are all binary sexed, but gender is a social construction and some people feel their gender feelings don't match their bio sex' and that was the PC thing to say at the time.

No. 2012928

it's so bizarre seeing stuff i've seen people on here point out or read about play out in real time. like, this moid I know trooned out and instantly the first thing he wants to do is dress exactly like his middle school crush and skin walk her and also emulate anime girl aesthetics. it almost feels too cliche but it just reinforces to me that i'm not wrong on this issue when they're all so by the book and act the same

No. 2012954

>>2012928
I experienced this way back in like 2006 or something, my autistic bullied male friend trooned out in high school after we stopped being friends and started skinwalking the way I looked before (I had changed styles by then) so this shit never surprised me.

No. 2012961

>>2012928
>>2012954
I know a troon that will skinwalk whatever his women peers are doing, for example one of his friends got into jfashion recently and he started searching and talking about it too.

No. 2013240

>>2012889
>I think sometimes it's easier for bi women to resist AGP scrotes because they don't have to argue about 'genital preferences' or whatever they can just be like sorry I don't like you specifically.
I used to have a bi friend who went to a gendie libfem college and got away with sharing radfem 101 talking points and arguing against "genital preference" because she was out as bisexual and therefore less suspicious. I've stumbled upon TERFy straight women too who will mask-off talk shit about how MTFs aren't really women, but they're "cishets" and no one cares as much. Meanwhile when I was a libfem/TRA supporter I had to argue against "transphobic" accusations from gendie women because I've been openly a lesbian since I was 20. I've known more bi women who are completely supportive of the transwoman thing, but the ones who don't manage to get off easier on being "cryptoTERFs" in the public sphere.

No. 2013255

>>2013240
AYRT and I agree. Most of the lesbians I know have been openly lesbian for years and so if they refuse to date AGP scrotes they are immediately dogpiled and interrogated about their 'genital preferences,' they have men coming into lesbian events and gatherings trying to infiltrate because AGPs are obsessed with the validation they get from thinking they're dating/interacting with real lesbians, etc. As a bi woman I have gotten away with being way more of an open TERF socially because I can stick to mixed-sex normie dating environments and if some gross AGP hits on me or sexually harasses me he can't start acting like I'm rejecting him because he's male lmao. I'm glad the bi women I've met have been on the TERFy side but I think part of it might actually be because dating both men and women you kind of get used to the differences in male and female dating dynamics and behaviour, some of them used to be more gendie/trans supportive but then couldn't keep up the farce because they knew what it was like to date both men and women. This sounds condescending and I'm sorry but some of the lesbian women I know seem kind of naive about male behaviour if they've spent a lot of time in all-female spaces and will be way less world-weary when some man infiltrates because they're not as used to men trying to hit on them in 'lesbian' spaces. Like one of my best friends over the last decade is a lesbian and she was always making these weird bemused excuses for AGPs who tried to infiltrate lesbian spaces and dating apps because she used to mostly keep all-female social groups and seemed to like really 'want' to think of the men infiltrating those environments as women, idk if I'm explaining coherently.

No. 2013465

>>2012895
>some days she rather wear pants than a dress
Saw a "genderfluid" woman online say something similar not long after she said it bothers her when sexists say women don't play video games. How does she not see the contradiction? She was in her late 30s…

No. 2013486

>>2012717
Any tips for locating gender-critical therapists? Troon nonsense is a big part of why my mental health sucks, and I don't want a therapist who will just say I need to "learn to accept people more"

No. 2013487

>>2013240
Unfortunately my friend who is the biggest handmaiden I know is “bi.” She’s dating a classic AGP troon and is such a doormat to his learned helplessness and other bs. Bi is in quotes because she’s never actually dated anyone without a dick and balls, kek

No. 2013500

>>2012889
isn't there a good chance many of the women calling themselves "bi" in gendie spaces are actually lesbians, but call themselves "bi" to escape scrutiny and follow the wacky idea that since they'd date a TIF they're not a lesbian?

No. 2013512

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>>2013486
openly discuss your views and see how they react, also go for older therapists. my therapist is a woman in her 50s and she has trans-identifying clients but doesn't fully get or agree with gender identity crap. she's not full on GC but it's fine with me, she doesn't censor me.

Pic rel and link is for a directory of trans-critical therapists. I can't verify or vouch to how current it is though.
https://beyondtrans.org/therapists/

No. 2013536

>>2013512
Thank you so much!

No. 2013606

>>2013255
>This sounds condescending and I'm sorry but some of the lesbian women I know seem kind of naive about male behaviour if they've spent a lot of time in all-female spaces and will be way less world-weary when some man infiltrates because they're not as used to men trying to hit on them in 'lesbian' spaces.
AYRT, I disagree and I do think that is condescending because lesbians do deal with men in our daily lives despite not being romantically involved. The only lesbians I know like that are middle-aged, settled down and don't deal with how the dating scene is, and the only MTFs they've known were HSTS gay men and not trying to fuck them. I've grown up sexually harassed by men and despite never dating them I've peaked from seeing how similar MTFs act to (or are) pornsick men I knew as a teenager. Men liking lesbian porn and saying "I'm a lesbian too, I like girls the same way, and now people take it seriously instead of seeing it as a joke. I don't engage in IRL spaces but I tried being in a normie queer space and I swear any actual lesbians are under gag order to not say anything that isn't kissing their asses. I only became mask-off GC 5 years ago but that was because I was called a TERF for saying that there's nothing wrong with being "same gender and same sex attracted" despite claiming transgender is uwu valid. Outside of the febfem/TERFy bi women they were ones grilling me about accepting transwomen.

No. 2013613

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The absolute delusion.

No. 2013862

>>2013465
These people are just legitimately retarded there is no other explanation. Imagine in 2024 thinking that women wearing pants is GNC. Wearing skirts or dresses is much rarer.

>>2013486
You're probably SOL nonna unless you know someone personally who can recommend one, in most countries now being a 'gender critical' therapist is illegal and will get your license taken away.

No. 2013867

>>2013487
NTAYRT but actual actively bisexual women are different than "bi" women. Obviously fake-bi women and fake-lesbian women are the worst offenders of gendershit but actual bisexuals in my experience usually hate troons and are more open about it than any other demographic.

>>2013500
It's possible but in my experience the type of woman you're talking about usually uses the word 'queer' or 'pansexual' not bi. Calling yourself bi is usually a sign that you think there's 2 sexes and don't love gender nonsense at least where I live, most people into TRA rhetoric will identify as 'queer.'

No. 2013880

>>2013606
Yeah I'm sorry I know the way I phrased it sounded condescending and probably doesn't apply to every lesbian anyway, but at least most of the lesbians I know usually hang out in mostly female-dominant spaces and never dated men before so they're not familiar with men's dating habits. Not saying they were never sexually harassed by men but I think being unwantedly sexually harassed is still a kind of different experience than actively and willingly dating men and being attracted to them and when you're used to that I think it's harder to fool yourself that AGP troons resemble women in any way. I really didn't mean to be condescending I'm just speaking I guess about most of the lesbians I'm friends with irl who tend to be like semi-female separatist in this way where they will mostly stick to female-only social events and female-dominant communities and then when men enter pretending to be women I think they're scared of losing those spaces and will be polite about it because they know they'd be crucified for calling it out, most bi women I know didn't really seek out all-female social and dating environments so they kind of care less about preserving female-only environments.

No. 2013884

>>2013880
Samefag but I've also noticed that many of the lesbian friends I've had don't realize that men are actually flirting with them/hitting on them at parties since they don't think about men that way, and then will show me gross troons hitting on them in messages online and not realize that the guy is hitting on them or implying something sexual. I'm not saying they're too stupid to recognize overt sexual harassment but some of the 'milder' ways that men signal sexual interest they just won't notice or be responsive to, which I think makes AGPs absolutely seethe because they feel called out on not being treated like women.

No. 2013887

>>2013862
I think she said "men's clothes" rather than pants specifically, but if she thinks video games shouldn't belong to one sex, then why should pieces of fabric

No. 2013890

>>2013887
Lol I'm a woman who dresses in a way most people perceive as feminine and fashionable but like more than half the tops I own are from the men's section lmao because I like the fit/cut better. Men's clothes usually don't even look GNC on women.

No. 2013999

>>2013613
"Mike" must have been obese for losing F cups to be not dramatically noticeable.

No. 2014019

>>2013613
I had to reread this like 6 times to even figure out that 'Mike' is supposed to be a TIF, I kept thinking it was about a TIM who got silicone implants.

No. 2014078

>>2012502
I think it's going to linger but it definitely won't be mainstream. It's currently a trend among kids, like being a vampire witch was a trend among kids in the Livejournal days. Plus, the aesthetic really does appeal to kids. Bright hair, weird haircuts your parents would never let you get, sticker book tattoos, outfits that came straight out of clown Tiktok- it's like a honey trap for 13 year olds.
The hormone thing is probably going to take a lot longer than 10 years to study. Until troons stop being a political hot topic nobody will want to fund actual studies on them in case they come out with results that offend the brave and speshuls. We all know troons are chronic liars who will do anything to play into their own delusions, any studies that require self reporting will be unusable. Moids already think they have a feminine figure after taking DIY horse piss when they just got fat, any results they reported would be Reddit fanfiction about their desirability to lesbians.

No. 2014265

>>2013255
>some of the lesbian women I know seem kind of naive about male behaviour
I’ve noticed this too, particularly socially awkward lesbians in female-dominated environments (hobbies, work) who aren’t very conventionally attractive and so tend to get ignored by men. They seem to have an idealised fantasy image of males in their heads that’s informed by media like tv shows and books rather than real life. They’re especially sympathetic towards men they deem to be marginalised in some way and will handwave their misogyny as an excusable trauma response. Of all the women I’ve known who’ve defended incels and other male sex pests as “just misunderstood” and tried to shame other women into “giving them a chance”, the majority were lesbians. I think they overempathise with these men and project their own good intentions and issues with marginalisation and sexuality onto them and so take it personally when other women think the men are creepy.
This is especially noticeable with TIMs but not exclusive to them. One friend of mine keeps trying to befriend shitty Muslim moids and being surprised and disappointed when they turn out to be homophobic as well as misogynistic. For some reason she can’t accept that other women avoid these men because the men are shit and not because the women are all mean shallow Karens unlike her enlightened and accepting self.

>>2013884
This too, except not just flirting but sexually inappropriate behaviour in general. Like they’re far more likely to give men the benefit of the doubt and excuse blatant sexual harassment as “awkwardness” because their only insight into male sexuality comes from sanitised works of fiction and they can’t imagine anyone being a scumbag on purpose. And if a man turns the harassment on them they ascribe their revulsion to their lesbianism and assume that straight and bi women would (or should, if they were kind) be cool with it. I’m curious to see this play out with a TIM, but TIMs tend to leave these women alone in my experience. Lucky them.

Of course not all lesbians are this naive and many (most, probably) are well aware of male depravity but it’s definitely a pattern I’ve noticed with the hardcore TWAW ones in my life. I guess you’d have to be naive and blind to real life social dynamics to spend any time around TIMs and not peak.

No. 2014298

>>2014265
There are a lot of lesbians who are gnc to some level and empathize with men as they see themselve as "playing the male-ish role" as a butcher woman. Of course they don't actually have to deal with men (who mostly leave them alone because they're too butch) so like you said they have an idealised fantasy image of them.

No. 2014612

>>2014298
>empathize with men as they see themselve as "playing the male-ish role" as a butcher woman
TiFs claim empathy and sympathy for moids because of being more of a "man" (literally male-ish but "actually male") compared to literally all women in the world, with the bonus of pushing down against another woman who try to claim sympathy for men because they're jealous lol. These types have delusions of passing too.

No. 2014632

>>2010663
>>2010666
>>2011997
Sorry ladies you are still not a TIF. Does that make you happy, sadists? Immature retards.(infighting)

No. 2014658

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Logical transphobia by one of their own

No. 2014942

>>2012954
>>2012961
that's so creepy. the closest thing I experienced to troons trying to skinwalk me was them asking me for tips or something and asking me how to be "feminine like me" and even then that was already gross enough. also it's like, I'm not necessarily surprised it's more so just how they all act exactly like how I see people here talk about them. it really makes their whole argument that like, you're just generalizing, hating or being a bigot or that the theories around agp and whatnot are fake just seem even more like a retarded cope. like if they're really so different and unique and it's not a mental illness, there would be more of a variance in behaviors and not always the same "symptoms"

No. 2014955

>>2014942
samefag I can literally predict their entire behavior and see these things coming and it's just bizarre because I'll get called a bigot for being able to detect obvious patterns and having intelligence essentially, so I can't really say anything about it. I saw this guy trooning out coming a mile away and now he's acting the exact same as I expected and it feels so strange even if it's the expected outcome

No. 2014973

>>2014658
Autistic subject matter aside, but who’s the artist? It looks cute

No. 2014978

>>2014942
>>2014955
The way they all behave exactly the same way is so culty. If they were truly women in male bodies they’d be as diverse as real women are but instead the only variance is in the specific porn subcategory they try to personify, and that’s only on the surface. The underlying mentality, and their reaction when a woman opposes them, is always the same.

No. 2014983

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just found this venn diagram I had saved that a nona posted in one of the old gc threads and thought it deserves to be reposted

No. 2014998

>>2012928
I’ve met troons who appear to act differently and then within a year they’re wearing an egirl goth bdsm outfit and skinwalking whatever woman they’ve latched onto that month. Part of it is that MTF online communities are swamped with “uwu cute relatable comics” of troon anime girls getting goth makeovers or becoming emo for “lesbian reasons” IE directly copying a girl they find attractive.

No. 2015076

>>2014983
edit and put troon in all columns

No. 2015098

>>2013613
What kind of top surgery scarring is a F cup removal? The other thread few days ago posted a batwing tit surgery where the scar is ugliest (across the nipps)

No. 2015177

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the most pathetic TRA libfem

No. 2015185

>>2015177
Her amab friend was never given a bear awwww. Meanwhile her afab friends were getting molested or brainwashed into thinking the only way they’d matter as people on earth is if they covered their faces with chemicals, colorants, and glue on their eyelashes.

No. 2015461

I used to have much more compassions for tifs, but realising how most of them are no better than a lot of tradthots and are some of the most horrific pickmes imaginable. It's not talked about enough about how deplorable it is that the health establishment are giving controlled substance, testosterone to treat mental illness. Testosterone is already damaging to men at certain amounts and yet they are giving women and young 5 times the amount of testosterone a man normally has. There's a reason why a lot of tifs will get cold feet about trooning, but continue to medicate and it's because hrt is addictive in the same way as any kind of illicit drugs are. It gives them a high, changes their brain chemistry to the point where they develop an dependence. Much of the times, drugs like fentanyl also change the brain chemistry of people who abuse the drug, simply abstaining will not work for a lot of people who want to quit. All this is a long way of explaining how harmful it is that transitioning is shoved as a cure without there being a proper plan to help the patients who change their minds in the future and creating an environment where there is no shame created by the sunk cost fallacy, not that i believe transition should even be legal in the first place for anyone.

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No. 2015475

>>2015467
People like you ke- ACK!

No. 2015476

>>2015467
this is such bullshit because you can say suicide in youtube comments and not get shadow banned. Also what video is this?

No. 2015484

>>2015467
It's not fembrained to suck at killing yourself, the reason why women attempt more but die less is because they try to have the least traumatising death that effects the least amount of people or its a genuine last attempt for a cry of help because mental help for women is a joke. Trannies lack empathy so we know it's not the first reason and killing yourself over a fetish is the most moid brained thing you could do.

No. 2015576

>>2014955
i had a friend send me a single screenshot of a tweet and was able to guess that it was a TIF that liked specific shows and dressed a specific way and i was right with everything. they really are so fucking similar to each other kek

No. 2015577

>>2014265
AYRT and I do admit that the lesbian women I've been closest with in my life are the kind of women who are a bit shy and almost always only hang out with women. I have one close friend who even had a TIM try to suggest living together with her after one 'date' (which didnt go well because she 'just wasnt attracted' lmao I wonder why) and when I was like god, wtf, creepy!! she started making excuses for him like you're saying (oh I'm sure it's because 'she' is marginalized, she said 'she' is having roommate trouble, etc) and got upset at me for my reaction. Some of these women I know do know TIMs though, another lesbian woman I was flirting with for a while was BFFs with a TIM (why I never ended up trying to date her because I was like oh hell no, she tried to make me come to the TIM's apartment at like 4am after a party and he had been acting disgusting toward me all night but she didn't seem to notice, even though the other men in the group did and tried to 'protect' me). So even when they know TIMs some women just seem to view them positively and see their actions in a 'purer' light.

No. 2015874

>>2015484
Considering other people's trauma even in death is pretty fembrained though.

No. 2015904

>>2015467
As we all know by now "life saving trans care" is statistically making troons MORE likely to kill themselves afterwards

No. 2016028

>>2015177
>Hi the way people raise boy and girl children differently is DISGUSTING, I just learned that my autopedophile friend has never been bought a stuffed animal ONCE in his entire life???? this diaperfag has NEVER had a teddy bear in his bed? Long story short it is 9pm and I am furiously driving to fucking Target bc the first store didnt have any that were infantile enough i am SO MAD RN

Being raised without plushies isn't even that rare for girls, depending on your socioeconomic status or country of origin. Besides, adults who collect plushies for normal reasons (because it's cute or theyre autistic or whatever) just buy them themselves to match their taste. Needing/suggesting someone buys them for you reeks of autopedophilia, if it's indeed true and she's just not faking/exaggerating it for good girl points kek

No. 2016057

my friend kept insisting i come over because her and a friend were hanging out. i come, and immediately clocked the tranny voice. i said nothing about it and continued being friendly. i’m fairly sure he’s HSTS and i kind of feel bad for him, he’s only 18. after he and my friend told me he was trans, as if i couldn’t even tell my friend mentioned that hes already had bottom surgery. kind of uncomfortable and it makes me wonder how my country let this happen, honestly his voice doesn’t even sound like hes on hrt.
repost for typo + right now he’s freaking out and insisting on going home.

No. 2016063

>>2016057
Good, send him home. Hope the door doesn't hit his gaping wound on the way out.

No. 2016112

>>2016057
samefag, you literally cannot make this shit up.
he got super drunk, settled down i guess after my friend ‘supported’ him, and i practically ended up babysitting them both. he came inside and lied down after sperging in typical ‘autistic moid drinks alcohol for the first time’ style.
after a while, considering my friend was also fairly drunk, i believe he took advantage of a moment within their drunk ramblings. he said some retarded shit along the lines of ‘to be comfy, i need to like be squished. one on this side, one on the other’ gesturing to either side of where he was lying down. my friend was too drunk to understand what was happening so he just said ‘no, nevermind’ once she asked him to repeat it. it’s pathetic because the only support he gets from her is because she’s a faghag, yet he seems to still be enacting his fetish on a girl who so clearly just views him as a gay dude. honestly, i’m feeling really affirmed rn lol, people always say ‘oh the weird ones are only online, thats a small minority!’ yet one of the first times i go out in a while, i encounter some fucking perverted freak.

No. 2016132

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>>2016112
>he said some retarded shit along the lines of ‘to be comfy, i need to like be squished. one on this side, one on the other’ gesturing to either side of where he was lying down.
my face when reading that

No. 2016137

>>2016112
This sounds like the same thing a moid in my high school did. He pretended to be gay so he could feel up naive unsuspecting female students and pass it off as “don’t worry I’m gay so it’s not sexual”. This isn’t a hsts (they don’t exist) it’s just a typical scrote seeking to exploit the women around him for his own jollies.

No. 2016140

>>2016137
Same anon, just to clarify I don’t think hsts exists outside of typical male behavior; what they’re doing is still super misogynistic, exploitative and scrote like. Being gay doesn’t give them a pass on the creepy murderer who wants to wear a woman’s skin scale, it just makes them less likely to be full blown rapists of women (that doesn’t mean they won’t still try perverted boundary crossing shit).

No. 2016143

>>2016137
>>2016140
yeah, i’m stupid for even thinking of giving him the benefit of doubt. i guess since i hadn’t encountered it in a while, it really peaked me lol

No. 2016147

Gay men don't exist, gender dysphoria doesn't exist. All symptoms identified as such are merely degrees of mental illness caused by no sex with real women.

No. 2016150

>>2016147
Lmao go back

No. 2016162

>>2016147
gay men are the only men that exist nona. their default is homosexual

No. 2016166

>>2015467
kek that comment section is full of milk
>>2015476
no you can't i had my comment auto-deleted several times because it said suicide
>what video is this
cybergirls sillypoo
>>2016028
i think you're reaching, nothing in these posts suggests the TIM asked OP to buy him a bear.
>>2016147
retard

No. 2016208

>>2016147
agreed, male homosexuality is mental illness that all men possess. unfortunately, unlike gender dysphoria, it is incurable.

No. 2016225

>>2016057
>honestly his voice doesn’t even sound like hes on hrt.
NTA but I think HRT only changes the voice in TIFs; you can't un-deepen a voice that has already been deepened by testosterone. TIMs can only try to make their voices sound higher with voice training.
(Could someone please confirm whether this is true?)

No. 2016280

>>2016143
You’re not stupid, it just sounds like you were unaware. It’s part of growing up and working out who you are. Eventually you learn what types of people/behavior to look out for, and you realize that having boundaries is about you and no one else (regardless of how sad it makes them or how comfortable someone else is with the situation/behavior).

No. 2017230

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i feel like i've noticed a trend in people starting to coddle and excuse HSTS on Ovarit and i find it really frustrating that they don't see that they're just as misogynistic and creepy as AGPs, they just aren't as aggressively autistic and follow social norms better

No. 2017238

>>2015874
Yeah but TIMs don't do that, that's the point I'm making

No. 2017453

>>2017230
I agree. I had an exceptionally well passing HSTS friend who was so well passing I didnt even notice for like a year (we were casual acquaintances) but I always noticed that there was something 'off' with him. This is back before I had 'peaked' and wasn't as good at clocking troons, but he was like 5'2 skinny etc so seemed plausibly female on first glance. Once I realized he was a troon it was very validating because there were so many situations where I felt he had acted 'predatory' toward me and other women but when I told my friends it felt predatory they were just like 'well some people are weird.' He was less creepy than you average AGP but there was still so much that he did that was just deeply creepy and after the fact I felt so vindicated realizing I wasn't just oversensitive about a 'weird' woman, there was actually something wrong.

No. 2017504

>>2017230
I've stopped browsing Ovarit because it seems to be filled with middle-aged women who are self-righteous about being nice, and as a zoomer with anger issues I can't relate. I like this site because it doesn't make me feel like the meanest person in the room.

Also,
>Trans legal status should apply exclusively to HSTSs
>we shouldn't be allowing biological females to transition at all
Why the double standard? Seems pretty sexist.

No. 2017517

>>2017504
Yeah the "culture" on Ovarit is pretty cringe (for me it's all of the lame millennial style Harry Potter analogies, like comparing TRAs to Voldemort or Professor Umbridge) but they do a good job with aggregating news articles and covering active lawsuits/legislation regarding trans shit which keeps me coming back. That comment was the first time I've seen someone who is ok with men transitioning but not women and it stood out to me as particularly retarded, no idea what the logic behind that would be. I feel like there might be a wave of newly peaked women on there because you can tell a lot of them haven't fully escaped TRA magical thinking.

No. 2017597

>>2017517
It seems like Ovarit attracted the most intense no-life posters from r/GC (and a few others but most of them left or were banned) because of the invite code thing and now it does seem like almost everyone there is some kind of middle aged hippie although I browse it sometimes too to see the news stories. But r/GC also had a big problem of coddling HSTS moids back in the day and it carried over to Ovarit, I posted there briefly and women were defending puberty blockers as safe and whenever you tried to post in the science threads or any other thread that wasn't scrote/troon related they flipped out at you for having any other opinion than the socially acceptable one so I just assume it's full of socially conformist soccer moms. I agree the post above is particularly retarded even for Ovarit though, why would you support male but not female troons? Female troons are harming themselves but male troons harm everyone else.

No. 2017601

>>2017597
samefag but the biggest blackpill for me is the main admin of Ovarit girlundone who LARPed as a lesbian separatist is actually a married housewife with kids who was whining about her shitty scrote after years of pretending to be some WGTOW girlboss so I assume a lot of the posters there are like that

No. 2017729

>>2017504
>middle-aged women
Yeah i think that's it. I find Ovarit to be fine, honestly, but middle-aged (and older) women aren't dealing with the same shit as Gen Z. This is how you get older lesbians thinking the younger ones are rude for not 'letting' the TiMs 'live'. People get mellow with age, they're out of touch with the zeitgeist. Older generations are also more concerned with institutional acceptance, so they tend to make exceptions ('HSTS are fine, they have real gender dysphoria') to seem reasonable. ROGD for boys is another example of this, they needed to feel 'fair' and find an explanation that softened the (disgusting) reality of AGP in young men/teenagers.
There's still a significant group of older women who get it but they get chastized by others for rudeness, 'homophobia', etc.
>>2017504
I wouldn't say it's entierely sexist, she probably thinks chemical castration for HSTS is fair game, but never okay for women (fine, whatever). HSTS-only trans status is hardly feasible though. AGP troons made up the majority of HRT patients, even back in the 70s when it was supposedly 'only gays'. Maybe she hopes that medical institutions will have women's best interests at heart and nicely weed out the perverts, but male fetishists were historically the main target of 'trans care', down to the first attempts at SRS.

No. 2017794

My tif floormate keeps leaving the toilet seat up.

No. 2018080

>>2017794
i cannot stop laughing at this im sorry anon

No. 2018374

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It’s so fucking over. Also the post was satirical compilation of Taylor Swift photos with SCUM quotes put on them and libfems couldn’t handle it. The any kind of misandry = TERFery rhetoric was the most effective psyop.

No. 2018385

>>2018374
>n-no, a woman who hated males doesn't hate males in the wrong way! Because a male who LARPs as a misogynistic, porn-sick idea of a woman said so!
I'm genuinely losing all my sympathy for these retard specimens of the female race. I just cannot take their stupidity.

No. 2018411

>>2017230
i feel like out of all places ovarit (with its constant news stream of shit TIMs do) shouldn't still be falling for the tragic HSTS story. I know most of the users there skew older but it's bizarre

No. 2018426

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>>2018385
>implication that we are misogynists
Hmm. I wonder.

No. 2018510

>>2017794
truly malebrained

No. 2018759

Not sure where the best place is to ask this so pls direct me elsewhere if needed.
I had this idea that I want to create a radfem zine, and to look for other writers I'm going to post flyers around my city with a contact email/number. I don't want to make it outright terfy or it'll be discarded/libfems won't give it a chance, but I want to find other writers who share similar/views and goals to me.
Question is though, how can I subtly ask them if they're bio women when they contact me, without scaring off the women I intend to recruit. If I ask them to fill out a form and put their "gender", I'm worried more terfy/radfem women might get the wrong idea about the sort of zine I want to write and it'll scare them off. But I also don't want to outright be like "NO TROONS" because I live in a very progressive city and word gets around kek. Any ideas nonnies?

No. 2018762

>>2018759
I think if you just asked for sex and only had male and female as options it would filter out the most annoying people.

No. 2018763

>>2018762
samefag but obviously just discard anyone who chooses male on the form kek

No. 2018765

>>2018762
wouldn't that signal the terfery of it all though? When I say I live in a progressive city, I mean we're in the top 10 in the world, people here are sensitive to this stuff.

No. 2018766

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Why is there so much backhanded racism like this in the TRA community?

No. 2018808

>>2018766
Troons are so delusional, it’s obvious at first sight. The woman on the left reminds me of Aretha Franklin and the male on the right is a flavor of Rachel McKinnon, most TIMs are similar.

No. 2018815

>>2018766
Unironically, libfem moids are just as racist as their right-wing counterparts.

No. 2018849

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>>2018759
You could try discussing it with these people: https://www.radfemcoalition.org/p/local-radfem-meetups.html

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>>2017230
I still look at ovarit very frequently and coddling HSTS to this level is a rather fringe opinion, you can see the commenter say it herself that she thinks her opinion is controversial (picrel is one of the replies to her comments). majority of the women there direct most of their hate at AGPs but also acknowledge that HSTS are also harmful in a different way.
The other nona said it correctly, ovarit userbase on average are older and just less prone to shittalking than your local lolcow anon, and also bound by the site rules of no slurs (sometimes I do see posters mention being zoomers though, but it's not common). I can see why the site wouldn't appeal to imageboard users in general but it's not a tradwife hangout like I've seen some nonas in past threads claim.

No. 2019934

>>2018766
I honestly think racism plays a big part in why MTFs troon out, they think racist shit like "if black women who are barely even human can pass as women then so can I as a superior white man".

No. 2019936

>>2018426
Female doesn't even equal woman, it's just 1 part of the definition: adult human female. Troons are male so not women.

No. 2020160

>>2015467
>>2015475
the ack thing is so retarded we literally sound like 12 year old incel wojakposters when we repeat it

No. 2020275

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Gee I wonder why

No. 2020575

>>2020275
The thing that always gets me with troons is their coy denial of reality. It's been repeated to death but there's something really strange about their relation to rules and how they relate to the world around them. I get that creepy feeling even from seemingly 'asexual' (low libido) TiFs, like they can't somehow comprehend that being a woman with a short haircut and baggy clothes doesn't fool anyone. 'Gee! Can you imagine! I got she/her'd at the grocery shop!' well we can imagine because we have eyes and are slightly less mentally unwell than you. And they expect you to play along with their perverse little game of denial, constantly testing your beliefs ('oh, you said women only, but you know i'm a woman… riiight?' , smugly stating they have they/them pronouns or whatever). It's like stepping into a dysfunctional home and pretending everything is alright for the sake of whoever invited you, nervously laughing at whatever you are witnessing. TiFs/TiMs make this dysfunctional mindset their constant reality, enforcing it everywhere, offline, online, to unsuspecting people etc. It's a little different from autistic/furry retards who just seem to completely ignore rules, and a little different from AGPs who have a precise target in mind (themselves) and totally disregard others (though it often overlaps). The 'chaotic queer TiF drag queen' type especially seems to thrive by acknowledging she's actually a feminine woman beneath the fake provocative denial and subversive identity. This is why so many of them larp as femboys, these otherwise feminine TiFs will go on subreddits for masochist troons and write essays about how they want to be abused and 'found out' as female. They desperately want their lie to be uncovered to make it worthwhile, unlike more autistic TiMs/TiFs who just skip over 'normal' sex (as in, mutual sexual relationships involving genitals) and use each other as fantasy fuel. The most autistic ones invoke pity or revulsion because they're barred from enjoying normal sex to begin with (unless they really try) or are very antisocial. Self-aware kinky redditor spicy straights are, weirdly enough, far more irritating because of all the reasons detailed above. The absolute lack of boundaries is another issue with them, they love to tell on themselves, talking about their ebic 'gay' hardcore sex, their oh-so-queer hookups etc. If these women weren't troons, they would most likely still be a flavor of mentally ill queeriospecial, dwelling in 'alt' communities like goth or emo, wearing their psychosexual issues like a badge of honor. I have a lot of compassion for the younger ones (obviously) but by the time you're 25 you should have wrapped up the embarrassing adolescent angsty navel gazing shit

No. 2020707

Does anyone else remember the exact thing that peaked you? It was like 4+ years ago when the MTF threads first appeared and r/itsafetish was still kicking. I used to be a massive handmaiden before finding lc but seeing reddit screenshots of MTFs talking about stealing underwear from their mothers and sisters and other trannies validating it as relatable and harmless made me feel so disgusted that it made me transphobic in like a week, and that no, these ugly balding men do not have repressed womanly souls.
>>2020275
She just looks like a masc woman
>what about this is giving she/her (nails emoji)
So women can't be women unless they're hyperfeminine? I feel bad for normal gnc women who get mistaken as gendies because of this

No. 2020708

>>2020275
Gender is just clothes!

I refuse to use tiktok, but sometimes i wanna make an account just to troll/confront gendies.

No. 2020710

>>2020275
She’s dressed like a post-menopause lesbian.

No. 2020714

>>2020707
I went to a city for a concert where some troons i knew online lived so i agreed to hang out with them and then all they did for about an hour or two was talk about their gender woes and examples of times they'd been misgendered, never really asking me anything about myself. I wasn't ever a handmaiden or anything but that experience showed me how it was all just an insane exercise in overwhelming narcissism and self-involvement.

No. 2020717

>>2020708
i did this to tell a tif she wasn't actually 'male' because she used he/they and i got a ton of WOAAAAAAAAAAAH!! :skull emoji: and my account was locked for a week. wouldn't recommend it

No. 2020718

>>2020708
For me it was a series of things that ultimately 'peaked' me totally but I can remember some of the specific things. One of them was some article on a popular news/editorial site where an AGP troon was talking about how 'he received female socialization while male.' He tied himself in knots trying to explain this like when girls got subtly treated differently than boys he 'internalized' this. I remember trying really hard to be a good 'ally' and explain this to my boyfriend at the time and he kept being like 'huh?' and I was like yeah that doesn't actually make sense now I explain it in plain language. Trying to be a TRA made me actively find it more nonsensical because when I tried to summarize the points myself I realized they made no sense.

Two of the other really big moments I remember slowly peaking me were 1. being on tumblr and all those 'TERF blogs to avoid' and someone listed Ophelia Benson's blog, who's an evolutionary biologist. I used to be an evolutionary biologist as well before I switched fields and had followed her blog in the past so I checked it out to see what the 'TERF' thing she was saying was and it was just a really basic post about sexual dimorphism. Then shortly after that someone reposted something on facebook about Chiminanda Ngozi Adichie being a 'TERF' because of saying 'women and trans women's experiences are different' and even after she apologized she kept being berated. I read the facebook comments and they were absolutely chock full of easily clockable hideous male troons gloating about how they're 'better women than cis women' in a very degrading way and claiming 'cis' women are just jealous, I think that's when I snapped and went to one of my saved tumblr posts about 'TERF blocklists' and read every blog on the list.

No. 2020719

>using the term gender in a non-mocking way at all
I hope you gals don't do this.
It's sex. Gender isn't real. John Money is a pedophile scrote.

No. 2020721

>>2020707
I defended then 10 years ago on the basis of "live and let live" and "who are they even harming by dressing in unusual clothes", I thought they were like the LGBs who were campaigning for gay marriage at the time. I thought the tumblr neopronouns were obvious bullshit but tried to be respectful of people who wanted to be called by existing pronouns of a different gender.
Then they started asking for access to women only spaces like bathroom. It seemed blindingly obvious that unscrupulous men would seize that as an opportunity to prey on women and girls and yet nobody seemed willing to admit that it was a risk. Then I saw posts from the gender critical subreddits including itsafetish documenting what these people were actually saying and doing including, as expected, assaulting women and girls in bathrooms. Instantly peaked and lost all sympathy.

No. 2020748

>>2020707
I had an ex on the verge of trooning around the time I found this place, so it ended up being a combination of the two. Seeing how he considered himself a woman, but had all these aspects of male socialisation and privilege he failed to recognise made me start to connect some dots. He also just hated being male. I don't think he actually understood what being a woman was, or meant. I was never a full blown handmaiden but in that relationship I began with sympathy and ended it in utter disgust.
It wasn't even a sexual thing for him, he was asexual (had mentioned a brutal sexual assault he endured by other men but I digress), but one time he said he wishes he didn't have a dick or vagina down there, just nothing. When hearing that combined with everything else he told me and knowing he wanted to transition I kinda wondered if he saw women as full, sexual beings with healthy desire.

Either way, he was heavily autistic, and since him every troon I've met and interacted with has shared at least some traits with him.
Tl;dr the best way to peak is actually closely interacting with troons.

No. 2020768

>>2020719
Yeah I try to treat the 'gender' word either as a linguistics concept now or as a concept of like time-delimited culturally-delimited gender Roles imposed on people, otherwise I have switched to using 'sex' whenever I'm talking about sex differences or biology. I didn't used to be this anal retentive about it but I just don't want to be misunderstood in this climate.

No. 2020773

>>2020160
>12 year old
>incel
Twelve-year-olds should be involuntarily celibate because 12 is below the age of consent.

No. 2020774

>>2020707
The thing that peaked me was the amount of lesbophobia that was spewed in tranny communities. Seeing troons with rape fetishes towards us get away with it because "they're women too". It peaked me so fast. Another thing that peaked me was trannies constantly saying being gay isn't something you're born as and that you must "unlearn" your genital preferences. That's exactly how I knew these people weren't in community with me, they have no respect for gays at all. So many lesbians need to stick up for themselves like gay males do whenever we're told that kind of bullshit.

No. 2020775

>>2020748
I'm the anon who said I peaked from biology blogs and whatever but I also agree with this to a large extent, if it's possible to double-peak that's what happened when I started meeting more troons irl. I think you have to be in a really extreme place of self-delusion to meet troons regularly irl and not peak. After I already had my other 'intellectual' peaking experiences I ended up meeting a lot of troons in social settings and I'm sure if the other things hadn't peaked me that would have. Troons always act practically like a caricature of their biosex and use insulting stereotypes on other people, it's the quickest way to peak for sure.

No. 2020779

>>2020774
As a female-leaning bisexual I'm of two minds about this, I don't actually know how I feel about the 'born this way' narrative and I don't think there's conclusive evidence showing all gay or bisexual people are born that way, but imo it shouldn't even matter at the end of the day. You're attracted to whoever you're attracted to and not attracted to who you're not attracted to and people violating those boundaries are always rapey no matter how they frame it. Consent in sexual settings should always be absolutely non-negotiable and the way these people take advantage of bisexual/"fluid" sexuality is in and of itself incredibly predatory. I've gone through phases where I'm not attracted to men at all and others where I am and if I was in a phase of not wanting to even kiss any male and he brought up I had a boyfriend before as 'proof' I should be ok with kissing him I would just think he's a predator.

No. 2020791

>>2020779
I mean, I feel like a lot of the time when people try to debunk the "born this way" idea, they just bring up examples of bisexuality. As a lesbian i have never ever felt attracted to males. I either feel neutral or negative towards them. I literally have felt stuff I can describe as attraction towards other females and that I have never felt towards males. a lot of bisexuals project their own experiences on gay people. studies have shown (sorry if i word this wrong im tired lol) that lesbians have much more exclusive and "male typical" (similar to heterosexual male) attraction towards women. Compared to both heterosexual women and bisexual women. There has also been studies with straight and lesbian twins showing point to ring length difference. Theres much much much more examples i could bring up. I dont think there's a single gay gene, that's dumb. however gays are such a small minority, like out of billions of people, is it REALLY a surprise to some people that some people can be sexually exclusive and purely 100% homosexual/homoromantic?

No. 2020800

>>2020791
Oh yeah I know what you're saying and that's why I'm like 'as a bisexual I have no idea what to think about this.' I wasn't even saying you 'can't' be born LGB, just that I'm not 100% sure all cases of being LGB are 'born this way' cases. I am a scientist and after reading lit about it it seems like there are multiple factors that can lead to someone having a 'non standard' sexuality, some seem to be pre-birth and others seem not to be. I'm not projecting anything on gay people because I'm not gay so I don't think I can even imagine what it's like to be gay but I have looked at science studies showing that certain people with certain hormonal irregularities in the womb predict homosexuality, but then that other homosexual people have 'unpredictable' presentations. I also know gay people who said they were 'attracted' to the opposite sex until their mid-teens and then suddenly stopped, and I don't want to invalidate their experiences either.

I will say that my personal experience was that when I was around 5-12 I thought I was 'attracted' to males only, then after some traumatic experiences I 100% stopped being attracted to males and thought I was lesbian (and other people thought I was lesbian, I was horrifically bullied for being lesbian, my parents abused me thinking I was lesbian etc) for several years, then due to the bullying I tried to 'act straight' for a while and discovered I was selectively genuinely attracted to males sometimes, but I remain primarily female-attracted. I went through so many mindfuck moments in my life due to my sexuality seemingly 'changing' though and I think some of it could have been due to social inluences/'nurture.' I have quite a few gay and lesbian friends and it's kind of mixed between what they've said to me, some of them saying 'everyone knew' they were gonna grow up gay when they were like 5 and others saying that they felt 'genuinely' attracted to the opposite sex until later. I think until there's a clear answer I won't have a clear cut opinion either way but my main point is it shouldn't even matter. Even if someone wasn't 'born' that way but developed same sex attraction in puberty it's still rapey and disgusting to try to 'turn' them. It just is.

This is a minor thing but I have the 'male pattern' ring finger length lmao. I always wondered if that 'predicted' my bisexuality.

No. 2020805

>>2020800
Samefag but hell even if a straight girl lies that she's lesbian to get a moid off her back that should still be respected by the moid because no means no, instead scrotes see it as a challenge. The whole 'genital preferences' discussion is just a way to challenge people on whether they want to sleep with you or not and their entire life history and prenatal hormones shouldn't matter, if someone says something indicating they're absolutely not attracted to you that should be viewed as absolutely non-negotiable and not something to argue about.

No. 2020811

>>2020800
Oh my bad, i misinterpreted your response a bit sorry im tired and get defensive over that stuff quite easily. now that I understand more i agree with you alot actually, imo homosexuality is a very case by case thing. I think trannies are very similar to moids in the way that they try to peer pressure lesbians (or even women simply not interested in them) into "unlearning" their sexuality. So yeah I agree, i think in all cases of same sex attraction, one's sexuality should be respected no matter the case. I do wonder though, do bisexual women have trannies on their backs as much as lesbians do?

>This is a minor thing but I have the 'male pattern' ring finger length lmao. I always wondered if that 'predicted' my bisexuality.


interesting, i know a female bisexual relative who has it too.

No. 2020822

>>2020811
nta but one big example of how they pressure bisexuals is by saying that they are the best candidates to date trannies because they get "the best of both worlds," I've seen a lot of them even say that it's a moral imperative for bisexuals to date more troons. I don't think it's nearly as harmful as how they prey on lesbians but it's still very creepy.

No. 2020827

>>2020811
Yeah I know what you're saying and I get why you would feel defensive but I have the somewhat unpopular opinion that while 'born this way' is a convenient way to just get people to leave you alone, it shouldn't be necessary to respect someone's sexuality. In 2024 it should be known by any person in a western society that consent is important and interrogating 'when' someone knew they were gay shouldn't be necessary or important. If a woman doesn't want to sleep with women she doesn't, period. Even as a bisexual I have had multi-year phases where I was never attracted to men at all and would cringe thinking about getting close to men physically and just because I've had boyfriends in the past people would question me and gaslight me like crazy about saying I'm not interested in men at this moment.

I posted earlier in this thread but I actually don't think bisexual women have AGP moids on our backs as much as lesbians do. I think for one thing AGP moids are obsessed with the validation they get from thinking they're dating a female-exclusive homosexual and specifically seek out actually lesbian women (or women who claim they are) to validate this delusion. For another thing I think that as a bisexual woman you can just say 'I'm not attracted to you because I'm not' and they are more likely to just accept that because they would feel like weird rapists if they pushed you on that knowing you're okay with 'both' sets of genitalia, but when it comes to lesbian women they will think 'oh this woman doesn't see me as a real woman' and try to convince the lesbian to sleep with them. As a bisexual if I tell some troon 'sorry I'm not into you' they can't argue it's because I have a bigoted genital preference.

I have had tons of troons be really predatory toward me specifically because I'm bi and they assume I'm therefore okay with 'the queer community' but I haven't had the kind of cotton ceiling pushback my lesbian friends have, I also don't think male troons are as interested in me once they learn I'm bisexual.

No. 2020835

>>2020822
The 'best of both worlds' thing is so stupid lmao. No you're the worst of both worlds. I like women when they are beautiful and have women's bodies and act like women, I like men when they are beautiful in a male way and have masculine bodies that are hot, troons are the worst of everything. Bad style, stinky, stupid interests, trying to develop mannerisms and secondary sex characteristics of the opposite sex, mentally ill, gross hobbies, and a lack of confidence in who they are. Everything about them is offputting and entitled.

I know some bisexual women say they're into extremely feminine women and extremely masculine men, I'm not, I actually tend to like more 'androgynous' people of both sexes but I'm still drawn to their sexual characteristics. I tend to like beautiful women who are more GNC and beautiful/pretty men who are a bit more GNC as well (not in the troon way). I'm never going to be attracted to a mentally ill freak abusing their body with cross-sex hormones and ill-fitting clothing, ever.

No. 2020836

>>2020811
>do bisexual women have trannies on their backs as much as lesbians do?
they put such a big emphasis on being/dating "lesbians" because a bisexual, especially one who primarily likes men, may not see them as a true and honest woman. I know a self-described lesbian who solely dates MTFs and she is incredibly popular with them. I'm bi and dated an MTF in high school, he was a pretty goth twink with pronouns ok who would call me a lesbian, which really pissed me off. He loved bragging about his "cis les gf" to his tranny friends and honestly, it was one of the moments that peaked me. Like rather than liking me he was only attracted to the idea of being a lesbian, and I was a prop for his vanity. The way he was so fetishistic about being "irl yuri" made me so uncomfortable.

No. 2020839

>>2020836
Yeah this is it exactly. AGPs are not happy with dating an openly bisexual women, hell AGPs who have been married for 10 years to a straight women will demand she suddenly ID as lesbian (not bi or pan) when he transitions even if every single person she dated before him was male. Since I am socially super open about being bi and have never pretended to be lesbian it seems like AGPs dont target me for dating, although they do creepily target me as a 'social ally' a lot and get really mad when I don't play ball.

No. 2020842

>>2020839
Samefag idk why I kept typing 'an women' I'm not ESL I swear (I am but not to that extent)

No. 2020852

>>2020839
Samefag again but this is one of the ways you can definitely tell the TRA movement is really predatory even on closely aligned modern 'queer' movements. You'll have women going to pride parades IDing as bisexual or 'pan' when they've never dated or kissed a single other woman in their lives and claiming that just their inner secret attraction to Natalie Portman in that one movie once makes them totally part of the LGBTQIASS2AAA+++ movement but if some 55 year old married troon with 2 kids troons out suddenly his wife has to identify as lesbian or she's a horrible bigot. They never play by the same rules as other people even within the 'LGBT' movement.

No. 2021119

>>2020707
The vandalism of the vancouver rape shelter and the reactions TRAs had to that bullshit.

No. 2021121

>>2021119
That happened long after I had peaked but if anything should peak someone that should. It was absolutely insane as well as the Yaniv situation nearby not long after.

No. 2021172

>>2020791
Yeah people often use the 'born this way' debate to basically deny lesbianism for their ideological purposes (trans ideology, sexual orientation self-ID) even if it's irrelevant. The 'born this way' concept deserves to be criticized like any other theory but you have to be stupid or in denial to act like sexual orientation is not fixed after a certain age (probably very early on, since people report getting homo/hetero crushes in childhood). Bisexuals who think they're so enlightened for bringing up fluidity are really embarrassing, it's like they lack a theory of mind and can't imagine others having a different sexuality.

>>2020707
>Does anyone else remember the exact thing that peaked you?
There was a pre-peaking when i looked up 'gender theory' (before it was big online) and found the then-TRAs to be weirdly forgiving of the John Money experiment. They talked about it like it was a fun little scientific project that validated them and not a horrible case of child abuse. I was instantly peaked by how agressive TRAs were in very early tumblr transactivism days (the 'die cis scum' shit). Went from 'i wonder who these transsexuals are, no one talks about this' to 'nope'. Soon after i picked up fetishist vibes from activist TiMs, it was too obvious for me to ignore. I had no idea of what AGP was then but i sensed something was deeply wrong. Last nail in the coffin was seeing my entire friend group of nerdy girls troon out in record time.

No. 2021468

My coworker told me his daughter has identified as a tif since 11 years old. He says it is because bad relationship with her mother, but of course as a typical moid he loves to blame the ex wife for everything. The daughter just sounded like she is a bit nerdy and gotten neglected in the divorce, reminded me of myself at that age. It is just that now we have social media to groom children and even schools teach about gender shit. I feel so bad for little girls.

>>2021172
How do people think that sick experiment by a pedophile proves anything. A boy is horribly mutilated (even a frankenvag needs penis tissue, he would have had literally no genitals), drugged with hormones and molested. He doesnt just happily think he is a girl. This means gender?

No. 2021540

>>2021468
>How do people think that sick experiment by a pedophile proves anything
I would assume they twist it to like "see the boy still knew he was a boy even though he was forced to live in a fully 100% biological female body (because that's what srs surgery does to a male body), it means gender is real and forcing us troons to live in the wrong body too is evil!!!"

No. 2022125

This one time my then girlfriend who came out as a tif broke up with me because I had broader shoulders than her and it was making her 'really dysphoric' and everyone somehow only felt sorry for her and it made me peak hard as fuck lol

No. 2022323

>>2020707
I distinctly remember being in the mtf thread and realizing that there could never be any such thing as a "real" trans. I'm not sure what sparked the thought but I realized I was being inconsistent with my logic and basically either they're all fake or none of them are. It was easy to apply the same logic to TIFs, especially as I'd been close to quite a few and it was very obvious what kind of mental issue were motivating their choices.
Up until that point I'd been treating them with a "wait and see" mentality and I was facing intense pressure to toe the line being newly out and only having gendie friends + my gf was a handmaiden at the time. It felt incredibly dangerous to realize that I was willingly rubbing shoulders with a bunch of predatory men. It was also disheartening to realize that I was enabling women who were dealing with deeply internalized misogyny (not to mention figuring out why so many straight, homophobic transmascs were so hostile towards me).
This is what they fail to realize. Very few female allies truly believe in the cause. Compliance seems mostly motivated by social pressure and fear. And they're right to be suspicious of feminists, because I noticed that the women in my friend group who peaked first were the ones who cared a lot about politics and actually bothered to learn the rhetoric and construct good arguments. Yet another sad case of what happens if you listen to trans people.
>>2022125
Kekkk I'm so sorry nona. Pathetic of her, why didn't she just go work out?

No. 2022371

>>2022125
If you still know those people call them out on it now years later because that's fucked up kek
"remember when i was broken up with because my shoulders are too wide and you felt bad for HER" I'd leverage that any time this person went against me or mentioned any kind of body shaming in any way kek

No. 2022378

>>2020707
>Does anyone else remember the exact thing that peaked you?
It wasn't one single event but one absolute key thing was my friend showing me Blaire White (i know, cringe kek). That was the first time I saw anyone who (in my then tumblrina groomed mind) wasn't an evil right wing nazi complaining realisitically and making fun of nonbinary gendersplats. When a "real" trans person points these things out it suddenly had merit and I was finally allowed to listen. It finally clicked that it really was bullshit that mentally ill girls are calling themselves "he/fae/faeself" and dress up in pants and call themselves "real men", switch to a skirt tand they're suddenly "fae" the next day…
As much as lc hates Blaire he really is useful when it comes to peaking people, he's a good first step.

No. 2022570

>>2020707
It wasn't just one thing but some small things that happened over time. I used to support that shit for 10 years but in 2020 when gendie crap on tiktok blew up and people started using neopronouns and those retarded made-up genders, it was downright ridiculous to me and gave me intense second-hand embarassment. And the behaviour of my gendie peers was always off-putting to me but I could never put into words why that was. I guess it was because of how extreme a lot of them were. And like another anon said, out of curiosity I started watching Blaire White videos and other similar videos by other YouTubers. Then one day I found lc while looking up Cryaotic kek and wondered what this site was. Lurked for a few days, and instantly peaked for good.

No. 2022600

>>2020707
It was when my first real bf trooned out on me after 5 years of us being together nearly a decade ago now, I was "accepting" of tranny people (thought they were just different) but experiencing it first hand and what they're actually like absolutely peaked me, though I didn't know that term at the time and didn't know there were other women who felt the same until finding LC. It was pure social contagion, if we hadn't had a friend group of other trannies at the time and our shared interests weren't full of them he wouldn't have trooned, he makes no effort to be a woman at all even to this day and obviously wants the special status. And he's now dating another troon as expected so at least I know he isn't being a sex pest to women.

No. 2022645

>>2020707
I was a handmaiden for a long time because I grew up on tumblr and thought not believing the “trans women are women” mantra made me an evil bigot or whatever. Still when I saw people I followed online I immediately disengaged from them because it just found it difficult to believe they truly were the gender they said they were, it was easier for me to accept trans people who I already knew as trans. I also found it incredibly unattractive how these people were at a war with their own body. I thought this was some internal prejudice I had lights I should unlearn, but I didn’t try very hard to lol.

When I reached my twenties I started to question gender ideology and not feel guilt for it. I saw a tumblr post that said “kids should be allowed to medically transition because kids deserve bodily autonomy” and thought that that was dumb. By that logic you could allow kids to do hard drugs, get tattoos and extreme bodily modifications, which most people would consider abusive and neglectful.

I then began deconstructing other ideas. I began to read more stuff critical of TRA’s. I actually used to read radfem tumblr blogs before I peaked and agreed with a lot of what they said but repressed it. Idk why. I guess because I was being told these people were evil and irredeemable. I also looked at more normie people critical of TRA’s like Jesse Singal. I realized that in a lot of cases gender dysphoria was no different to regular body dysmorphia, so it didn’t make sense to treat a mental illness with surgery and by pandering to delusion. I also realized how misogynistic the movement was and came to really dislike TIMs.

Peaking was actually a very good feeling, I no longer had to feel guilty for having eyes and knowing what a woman is. Also when I saw Lolcow mentioned on a gossip discord I started lurking and this site helped with that too. The trans movement really is extremely religious and realizing that it’s all bullshit is such a great feeling. If I ever have kids I’m going to be careful with their access to the internet and make sure they learn critical thinking, because I don’t want them to be indoctrinated by internet weirdos like I was.

No. 2022657

>>2020707
Unironically, being tomboy-ish and having a tim bf made me peak.
I had a faggy male leaning bf and I hated myself that even his crumble of attention was fine until I saw him using my bras to do shit in chatroulette and I was like "hmm okay it's fun tricking moids" and after the bras, the makeup came. He destroyed all my makeup like a kid would do with expensive gouaches, I was heartbroken and his excuse was "Well, I'm experimenting!"
Then the first dresses came and that's when I peaked: he was calling himself a woman, saying that those things made him a woman. I never wore a dress in my life nor heels and I remember thinking "Then what I am if women are heels and dresses?"
I always struggled to being seen as a girl because I liked being a girl! I wanted to be one! And I actively fought these stereotypes (maybe being a bit of a nlog in my teen years saved me from this madness), when I saw them coming full circle, that's when I peaked and then realized that troons were cosplaying women in the most narc way. Hated that. I love how actually listening to troons makes people peak.

No. 2022674

>>2020707
The EXACT thing that peaked me was going through a terrible ritalin experience, burning out, crashing, having to go to an outpatient therapy group, then while I was doing my usual scrolling of lolcow I finally unhid the MTF and FTM threads and took the plunge. I was slightly scared, but I kept reading them both and I finally peaked completely. What also helped was that I had one very stereotypical "big boy uwu" FTM and a very stereotypical "quiet autist" AGP who wore a shitty wig. They were very stereotypical representations of trans people.

For background, I have been on tumblr for over 10 years or so, assimilated into their little tranny loving cult, only interacted with FTMs because I only had FTMs in my school but every single interaction with a MTF made me so uncomfortable for a reason I couldn't explain, plus I felt annoyed when people would go on about "the first female [whatever]" but it was actually a hulking male troon but felt bad about it.

The MTF and FTM threads helped me come to terms with my feelings about trans people and then trans ideology as a whole. It took like 7 years of scrolling and lurking lolcow before I finally looked at the troon threads because at first they annoyed be on the basis of troonphobia, then they started to catch my interest but I felt really bad for it. Then the ritalin thing happened KEK and I read every single troon thread from the beginning and I still keep up and contribute somewhat.

No. 2022676

Why are so many of you ex-tifs holy shit

No. 2022677

>>2022674
*What also helped was that I had one very stereotypical "big boy uwu" FTM and a very stereotypical "quiet autist" AGP who wore a shitty wig in my outpatient group.

No. 2022691

>>2022676
huh, who are you even talking about? you know handmaidens aren't trans right?

No. 2022698

>>2022676
Not an ex TIF myself, but it’s not surprising that autistic/tomboy/lesbian women have fallen into the troon pipeline in the past. I’m just glad they pulled themselves out. Proud of you nonnas!

No. 2022700

>>2020707
Mainly being exposed to TIMs online and reading what they were saying about lesbians. I was pretty live and let live about it when I thought TIMs were primarily feminine gay men but AGPs always kind of gave me a bad feeling. Didn't ever make sense to me that they could be homosexual females, at first I was kind of okay with them being in lesbian groups because I assumed they were hoping to date the bi women

This is cringe but the final nail in the coffin for me was fandom drama lol. The 100 was airing and I was seeing posts circulating like "Attention cis lesbians: There is nothing interesting about two white cis women pairing up. You have a moral duty to pressure creators for more trans women in lesbian couples! Also if you must engage with this horrible stupid oppressive pairing make sure you give one of them a penis, if you disagree with the G!P Lexa headcanon you're an evil bigot and forcing trans women to kill themselves.". Yeah we have an entire internet filled with disgusting futa/female porn but I'm the bad guy for wanting to write fic with normal lesbian sex. It made me so cranky that I started researching it more and lurking trans subreddits and reading Autostraddle, initially I was trying to convince myself that Tumblr trans were a minority and of course "real" trans lesbians would be more reasonable, but everything AGPs say about lesbianism and womanhood was so gross and wrong it peaked me completely.

No. 2022717

>>2020707
Volunteered in an lgbt centre a long time ago when troon numbers were low. We had a new monthly support meeting for them and I found myself reluctantly stuck sitting in on one. There was a single youngish TIF whose whole personality was telling people how sexy they feel as a 'guy' now. All the women they get. Was barely 5 foot tall and it almost seemed like a satirical play on how actual men brag and exaggerate about their insane appeal with the ladies. Think heavily inspired by johnny bravo. Wasn't so much there for support. Seemed deliriously happy about how great life is as a ladies man. Was the lil odd one out amongst the otherwise all TIM bunch. Sat with her legs spread as far apart as possible because.. man

The TIMs summed up; middle aged men who had either semi abandoned or already abandoned their families for the sweet allure of garish dresses. The biggest issue discussed was their bastard kids not auto calling them mommy 5 mins into hearing the news. Which of course means you never speak to your kids ever again, that's a no brainer. I sat there and thought.. this is who we're supporting? We're providing a free space, free staff (mix of volunteers and paid) and free refreshments to these well off old clowns

Middle aged men fucking off and leaving their families so they can instead go spend tons of time and money on something new.. that used to be men having affairs. Struck me that they're essentially just being their own mistresses in some sick way. Obsessed with becoming a sexy woman rather than chasing one. Spending a fortune on trying to look the part but making sure to avail of free services for 'support' at this hard time. Men who could just up and leave and rent a second home to go and play dress up in.. aww the poor things. Such victims despite them doing whatever they please. It won't be good enough till their kids cheer em on.

And the TIMS who were so sensitive about pronouns n being mommies.. kept calling the one TIF there a she throughout it.

No. 2022825

>>2020575
It's the cult mentality. It's kinda similar to when you go to a deeply religious but pretty isolated community where the waitstaff pray at you for not saying grace before your meal and the shopkeepers go on unprompted monologues about Jesus and the Rapture. Except they only see the fruits of their lunacy after death, and troons have to live with reality. Does the woman in that video look like a man? No, and a man in her outfit wouldn't look like a woman. But they need to convince themselves that they can warp reality. They put mascara on their lip hairs to pretend they look manly, cut their hair, learn angles to pretend their bloated red acne-riddled faces aren't feminine, end up looking at themselves exclusively through filters, get surgeries that don't do anything to make them look more like their chosen gender or make them look less like their actual gender. Every second of a troon's life is a performance. At some point they look in a mirror or see an unshooped pic and something inside them crumbles, so they double down on the crazy. If they venture outside their echo chambers they're faced with reality. So yeah, they do always enforce their gender shit everywhere they go. If the waiter misgenders them it shatters the illusion that they're totally the opposite gender and nobody can tell. There's also the sunken cost fallacy to consider. When you burn bridges and physically alter your body into a bootleg drag performer you need the rest of the world to play along, or you'll be forced to admit that you did all that for nothing, and there's no going back.
>>2022676
I assume that most of the ex-TIF posters were women who hate read the troon threads and eventually peaked. As long as they're out of the cult that's what matters. It's also a place they can speak to other women without having to tiptoe around male feelings, which I imagine is important to them since peaking/desisting/detransing will instantly kill a TIF's entire social life and estrange her from her friends.

No. 2023094

>>2020707
I very recently peaked, about 2 months ago. Before peaking, I was an extreme TRA for years, but parroted whatever tumblr and TRAs told me. My peaking started when I was trying to find pro trans arguments to be a better ally. Every argument I read just made me more unable to defend my beliefs because it all contradicted each other. No one could agree on anything. I was more confused.

For some reason this thought of, "if my brother started identifying as a woman, would you honor that?" popped in my head. I said, no way, he would just lie to get with women, he wouldn't be serious. But that went against my "if they say theyre a woman, thats all that counts" argument I had.

It all went downhill from there. I tried to find comfort in womens forums or blogs online since I didn't have anyone IRL to turn to. I was so fucking annoyed how every safe space for women spent more time saying how twans women are women than actually advocating for women. It felt so disgusting that no one could talk about female issues without saying not all women have a vaginas! some have penises! don't forget that!

Found refuge in the radfem side of the internet. Before peaking I made genide, tif/tim friends, now I don't know what to do. It can feel lonely at times, but it's also freeing that I'm no longer lying to myself. I no longer feel guilty for not wanting to date a TIF, that I won't have to pretend to be attracted to their frakenpenis in order to look progressive, for daring to say something like pregnant woman instead of people with a uterus, birthing bodies, etc.

I dream I can find radfem friends IRL one day. Its true that the more you listen to tims/tifs, the more it peaks you.

No. 2023168

>>2022825
>they double down on the crazy

I've seen this happen in real time and know exactly what you're talking about. A TIM I'm forced to be around in real life got the chop last year, then a revision surgery, and I can only assume he's in pain and is unhappy because now he walks with a limp and he's introverted and never willing to make small talk with me (although maybe that's just due to his autism, or maybe he can smell the TERF on me because I don't yasslight him like the rest of the women in our social circle do). Obviously he can't grow his dick back if he detransitions, but a few months after the surgery he got "SHE/HER" tattooed on his chest, right below his neck, to double down on the crazy. I keep waiting for the day when he inevitably either 41%s or commits a mass shooting.

No. 2023398

>>2023168
I assume the revision didn't revise his dick into a vagina then. Shame, I'm sure his next revision will do the trick. Does he stink of shit all the time or has that not happened to him yet? If any of his handmaidens are looking for a gift to make him feel better about his mistake, suggest getting him the biggest pronoun pin you can find. Or a ton of normal sized pronoun pins. It's a supportive and inclusive gesture that he won't ever mistake for a dig at his obviously male gender.

No. 2023404

>>2021172
I'm that original anon and I'm certainly not denying sexual orientation seems fixed after a certain age, I just think that it can be counterproductive to insist (when there isn't hard evidence) that people are always 'born' with their sexual orientation and use that as the reason that gay people deserve rights. Then people like troons can claim to be 'born this way' too and demand special treatment for the same reason. I don't think being born a certain way or not is what makes people deserve rights. The reality is that gay people are asking for relatively basic human rights whereas troons are asking for insane privileges over other people. I also never brought up 'fluidity' lmao stop projecting things on other anons that they didn't say. I said it took me a genuinely long time to realize I wasn't lesbian and that I think my sexuality was likely affected by trauma in childhood, nothing about 'fluidity.' I also know exclusive homosexuals who say the same thing I do and never 'knew' their sexuality when they were like 5, lucky you if you did. But having to grasp at this idea in order to deny troon demands is silly, imo. Whether you were born a specific way or not does not entitle you to encroach on the rights of others, which LGB people were never doing in the first place.

No. 2023434

>>2022600
Nona if you're willing to share how did it happen? Like besides being in a social group with lots of TRAs what was the process of him coming out to you and how did he justify it? Most of the troons I know were already out before I met them but it's always shocking to me they will just tank long term relationships just like that.

No. 2023443

>>2020707
it was the yaniv discussion on this website. it's insane he's pretty much been memoryholed when it was a clear case of a racist white man targetting immigrant women.

No. 2023446

>>2023168
I also know a TIM who became incredibly introverted and had problems (limp and was bedridden for like half a year) post-SRS, it really changed his whole personality though he went from happy-go-lucky outgoing and friendly to withdrawn, stopped being friends with everyone, acted jumpy if you ran into him outside.

>>2023443
Man I'm sad I missed the Yaniv discussion on this site, I had to follow the other farms for news on him back then because I hadn't found lolcow yet and every other website was censoring all Yaniv discussion.

No. 2023471

>>2023404
Ah, nona, i was making a general statement, not replying specifically to you, my bad. I didn't get that from your post either, i mean afaik it's pretty common for bisexuals to only 'develop' a side of their sexuality later in life (not just in a 'i was straight but then i realized i was a little gay' way). I was commenting on self-ID as it relates to trans. Anyways, yeah i agree that the 'born this way' thing shouldn't even be brought up when discussing 'dating preferences'. People are entitled to their refusal of a person or a group regardless the reason. Another thing that'd piss me off is the trauma argument. So many TRAs (often women or enbies) would try to rein in the more creepy AGPs by bringing up penis-related trauma as an excuse to reject troons. I hate it because it's so weak, they couldn't assert 'well women sleep with whoever they want, their vagina isn't a nice gift they ought to offer to strange men'. They had to bring out the ultimate uno reverse card, and even then it wasn't enough for TiMs because they'd spin it as some traumatic insult and cry about how their flaccid dicks aren't weapons.

No. 2023478

>>2020707
I never had a handmaiden phase, but i did used to think that most mtfs were gay men who felt more comfortable presenting as women for whatever reason. But strike one for me was the fact that hsts never acted like ordinary women, even if they passed really well, they would always act like catty gay men. Strike two was seeing a post on tumblr about it being transphobic to reject trans people whether it be because they tell you or they lie to you about their identity. The final straw was coming on this site and reading the mtf threads, learning about the surgeries and rapid onset gender dysphoria. I can never go back now.

No. 2023494

>>2023471
Okay sorry for my aggressively worded response then, I am just used to people arguing 'but you're bi so you don't respect gay people' whenever I bring up some relatively unpopular opinion like this, which has more to do with the fact I can't find any research or even anecdotal evidence clearly showing orientation is set/can be known at birth than my own personal experiences. I think it's shooting ourselves in the foot to lean too hard on 'born this way' arguments as justification to give LGB people legal protections because then it's easily co-opted by troons, pedos, fetishists etc. claiming they deserve special considerations because of being 'born that way' too when the point is they are harming people and asking for special privileges and gay/bi people are not.

I agree with you about the 'penis trauma' thing being a bad idea, you should never have to explain to any man why you don't want to sleep with him whether you're lesbian or straight. 'I don't want to' is a sufficient reason and a man who doesn't leave you alone after that is a creep/potential rapist.

No. 2023498

>>2023478
Yeah I only had one HSTS pass to me for a while (I figured it out eventually though) and back when I thought he was female I always thought he acted off. I remember talking to female friends being like 'hey does this person not act like any other woman you've ever met and seem really misogynistic to you?' He would do shit like praise creepy guys at bars who were hitting on him/other women in the group and say 'omg aren't you excited they're soo hot' when any other woman would be avoiding them and scared they were acting creepy. He would grab and bounce his 'boobs' around in public. And he always acted like other women were his competition in this very specific way. This was before I was aware of troon stuff at all so I didn't clock him immediately but it didn't take long to start feeling he wasn't a 'normal' woman because they just can't for the life of them act like actual women. I also met him when he was 19/20 but he started looking more and more obviously male over time.

No. 2023503

>>2023398
There was a hot day last summer when I could smell his frankenvag from like 10 feet away, but these days he wears a lot of scented body spray, he's probably self conscious about how his crotch wound smells.

>>2023446
Is that TIM still alive? Does he live independently, does he have a job?

No. 2023525

>>2023503
I think Yaniv is still alive, but he never lived independently or had a job. He's currently suing some doctor for refusing him some operation, but I don't really closely follow his drama anymore.

No. 2023587

>>2023525
I was asking you about the TIM you know personally who had the surgery.

No. 2023601

>>2023587
Oh sorry I'm dumb, apparently he is still alive, someone saw him recently but he quit his job, school, and torched all social connections he had before/deleted social media so I don't know anything else about how he's doing now.

Sad because he seemed pretty well-adjusted and happy by TIM standards before the SRS.

No. 2024066

This TIM I know who recently trooned out is such an annoying faggot. Keeps shitting up a server I'm in and saying things like hrt is making me a weak little girl uwu. Even the liberal bros mostly just ignore him when he talks about it since he's just that obnoxious. He looks horrible too, his face is genuinely a jumpscare but somehow he thinks he looks good. I'm sick of people trooning out everywhere I go in general and it's so hard to not just call him the disgusting misogynist he is since I'll get banned and called a bigot if I do. Ugh

No. 2024275

>>2023094
>My peaking started when I was trying to find pro trans arguments to be a better ally. Every argument I read just made me more unable to defend my beliefs because it all contradicted each other. No one could agree on anything. I was more confused.
Same, it hits a point where they contradict each other directly. Like for example they'll loudly and proudly say
>"denying trans people life-saving surgery that they literally need to not die is transphobic"
And you go, yeah that makes sense, of course trans people need their life-saving surgery! But then the then the next guy says
>"thinking trans people need surgery is transphobic, you're just disgusted by the transness and want them to perform oppressive cis-ness"
and you sit there like wait- I guess that also makes sense…? So do they need life-saving surgery or not..? And you desperately try to find an explaination that makes the double-think true somehow, but instead you just find more and more contradictions until you snap out of it and peak.

No. 2024325

>>2007450
Nta but Finland is pretty open-minded and there is quite a lot of trans people, especially zoomers. (I've seen a lots of young tifs on social media, not as many tims but we definitely have those as well.) Not a crazy or unusual amount, but I would say on par with other "first world" countries.

No. 2024352

>>2024275
I definitely peaked because I attended a transgender student club and several trans-focused events with my trans-identified friends back in college. At one trans club meeting, we were talking about stuff like getting the university to add gender-neutral bathrooms, and let trans students choose roommates of the same gender (opposite sex), which seemed reasonable to me at the time, but then the club president (a TIM) abruptly changed the topic to “Do you think it’s transphobic for someone to refuse to sleep with a trans person because of their genitals?” This made me go “Hmmm…” I remember saying something like “If the person is already willing to hang out with you as a friend (and not commit a violent transphobic hate crime against you) why do they also have to be willing to sleep with you in order to not be transphobic? Why is just being platonic friends not good enough?” and I didn’t receive a satisfactory answer.

Also, at our university’s transgender day of remembrance event, I remember this badly-passing AGP man talking about how it was transphobic that he was constantly groped and sexually assaulted, but also he shouldn’t have to pass and perform perfect femininity to be respected as a woman. This also made me go “Hmm…” I now realize that him talking about being groped and assaulted was probably just him sharing his AGP fantasies - he probably got a massive euphoria boner from standing on a stage with a microphone, sharing his sexual fantasies with a room full of people.

Also, realizing that my 3 closest trans-identified friends in college were all deeply mentally unwell people - in particular I’d known my best friend since high school and I could see how her transgenderism was tied in with her (likely) autism, sexual trauma issues, issues with her bi/homosexuality, self-harming impulses, and her general feelings of alienation for being a weird nerd girl. We haven’t spoken in years, but she’s still a TIF, she’s dating another TIF who posts BDSM porn of her, and she uses it/itself pronouns. So sad. I wish she’d wake up and leave the cult but it’s been more than 10 years.

It is true that listening to trans people will eventually make anyone peak.

No. 2024411

>>2020707
i never really believed in any of this shit deep down but i used to be the type to say oh just let them live or whatever and believe in trutrans to some extent. then my bf said he wanted to troon out and at first i was trying to be a handmaiden and in denial that this was going to destroy our relationship until i realized how sad it made me and how alone and isolated i felt because i felt like i couldn't tell anyone how i felt out of fear of being called a bigot. then i found radfem spaces and other "trans widows" and it helped me fully peak and decide i didn't want to put up with that shit anymore and made me understand how retarded it all was fully. i always thought it was odd people couldn't just be gnc and had to call themselves trans or whatever to begin with but that was what fully made me go anti trans rethoric. and i have to say ever since i've felt more isolated than ever and it's been rough since despite knowing a couple of people who don't believe in tranny shit a large majority of my friends still believe in that shit and loads of them troon out…and it's just like, i can't really say anything or just watch it all unfold. it made me realize people are incredibly stupid too since they'll have shit happen to them and still remain retarded or delusional. knew a girl in the same position as me with the bf turned tranny thing but she stayed with him for example and still capes for trannies and it's just sad
>>2024275
it's weird to me how people don't peak even after this, i've known a lot of people who even when you present those contradictions they don't change their mind at all.

No. 2024418

How would you respond to "its the same present, different package" in response to trans people? I heard that and I hated it

No. 2024493

>>2024418
Just laugh in their face, there's no convincing a cult member when you attempt to argue using logic.

No. 2024585

>>2024418
We are our bodies and there is no “package” unless they mean clothes, in which case yeah a man in a skirt is still a man.

No. 2024694

>>2024418
The fuck is that even supposed to mean?..

No. 2024734

>>2024352
I already posted my peaking story earlier in the thread but what you mentioned about knowing troons personally was part of what made me initially start doubting gender ideology before I fully peaked. A bunch of my female friends from highschool (both online friends and irl friends) all trooned out around the same time and it was all the same 2 types of people - either shy 'asexual' autistic nerd girls who couldn't find boyfriends and assumed they would be 'cuter' as a man or girls with severe trauma issues who were doing shit like receiving anal sex in public and bragging about it because they were so fucked up by trauma. No 'normal' functional girl I knew back then ever tried to troon out, so it was pretty obvious it was a sign of being either autistic or mentally disturbed.

The only male troons I knew when I was younger were also autists.

No. 2024736

>>2024411
The weirdest situation I know of is a girl who is basically a 'TERF,' used to go on r/GenderCritical and was pissed off that reddit deleted the TERF subs, but for some reason this whole time has been dating and now is about to marry a mentally ill autistic troon who doesn't work and freeloads off of her. It's so weird like she will say all this outright TERF shit to my face but is going through with marrying this useless troon who doesn't even have a job. Why are women like this

No. 2024753

sage for blog but I just encountered the weirdest situation when I went for a blood test, the nurse taking my blood was some kind of SEAsian ladyboy wearing a blonde wig and a homeless junkie came in and started complimenting his hair, asking if the hair color is natural and shit and flirting with him while he was trying to take my blood, this is the first time I've seen a moid actively flirt with a male troon and it was so bizarre but also convinced me males are truly face and hair blind.

No. 2024756

>>2024694
“I’m exactly the same person I always was, I just look different now! (Except now I’m going to autistically nitpick every part of my unchanging biology, and demand the people around me do everything in their power to avoid ever subjecting me to an unsatisfactory social interaction.)”

No. 2025135

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>acting like disgusting TIMs are even remotely on the same level as butch women
if anything we'd be owed a thousand unapologetic butches to compensate for even one of these shameless parasites.

No. 2025139

>>2025135
Theyre so proudly and unapologetically stupid everytime they compare cis women to tims. They will never be the same thing, ever.

No. 2025150

>>2025135
you can tell a male wrote this because not all tomboys are butch
and also because it's gay and lame

No. 2025231

>>2025150
considering their user is "yaoiboypussy" theyre 100% female, anon

No. 2025274

>>2022600
I'm >>2020748 and I relate to you nonny in that I'd pretty much always been chill with trans people (didn't care, knew some but not in any intimate capacity) until my ex trooned. I felt pretty isolated because everyone around me was just so open and accepting but I was starting to have some serious doubt. Not sure about you but I went through the phase of "he's not reaaaally trans" before stumbling upon here.

No. 2025319

How much do you all bet that this video will be filled with lies and attempts to skirt around the truth?

No. 2025391

>>2022676
A good amount of radfems are ex tifs, why are you so surprised?

No. 2025404

Small vent:
I'm feeling so insecure nowadays as a masc woman with BDD. I've begun going braless for the sake of comfort and for the first time in my life I'm insecure at how small my breasts are. I'm an A cup with a wide rib cage and shoulders and I feel like I'm just asking to be clocked as a troon. Usually at worst I'll get they/them'd or assumed to be genderqueer but I feel like one of these days I'm gonna get assumed a TIM somehow since they're fucking everywhere. I once saw one wearing the same outfit as me and I wanted to die. Granted he was letting his disgusting unshaven beer belly hang out and I wasn't but still

No. 2025433

>>2025404
Don't worry nona there's like a 0% chance you will be clocked as a troon if you're female with natural A cups. They might think you're some form of enby/TIF not on hormones if you're masc but most people can clock biological sex easily in milliseconds and will not genuinely think you're not female. Also I'm intensely jealous of your A cups, the grass is always greener etc. but I would kill to have naturally small boobs.

No. 2025494

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>meet they/them enby whose circle overlaps with mine
>actually seems kinda cool, hope she's another butch lesbian
>she's a literal aiden who calls herself gay as hell and only loves dudes
>tries way too hard to seem tough and fit in with the guys, even the ones who are jerks while ignoring how uncomfortable the girls around them are
>we're generally polite with each other but sometimes she laughs at my silly jokes
>today she misunderstood my joke, then continuously berated and made fun of me in front of everyone else
Damn, why do nlogs have to be this mean…

No. 2025499

>>2023498
>He would do shit like praise creepy guys at bars who were hitting on him/other women in the group
>he always acted like other women were his competition
Hsts don't understand this exact behaviour outs them every single time, their whole idea of being a woman is literally just being able to be hit on by men who weren't available to them whilst they were normal gay men. I can't think of a single hsts that doesn't behave in this way, it's like clock work. It's eye opening when you truly understand that they are that willing to ruin their lives over sex with men who would have had sex with them whilst they were still twinks in the first place.

No. 2025532

>>2025494
Anon, you do not have to take bullshit from a gendie. This bitch can’t stand the idea of herself so much, she pretends to be a dude just so that she’s not a boring straight girl. Why should her words matter to you at all?

No. 2025618

>>2025494
I'd tell her she doesn't pass and is straight. These people aren't worth being nice to.

No. 2025627

>>2025499
AYRT and yeah when I still thought he was female it just seemed utterly bizarre and incomprehensible to me, then as soon as I realized he was a troon it all made sense as typical gay moid behaviour and it was such a mental relief to realize what I was witnessing. He would even openly hit on my (extremely uninterested) boyfriend in front of me and then wink wink nudge nudge me claiming my boyfriend was into him, I didn't feel threatened but it was so extremely weird because women basically never do this, but it made sense realizing he's gay and a lot of gay men are more OK with sleeping around even in relationships. There was this really bizarre combination of overwrought 'girl power' 'omg girlies' type behaviour that seemed very middle-school to me and nasty competitive male-pandering behaviour where he didn't seem able to relate to women at all that made no sense to me on a subconscious level before I realized he was a troon. Also lmao despite what troons will say about feeling 'even more unsafe' than real women he would act confused when me and my friends offered to walk him home late at night which again just seemed extremely bizarre to me. What 5'2 woman would say 'no haha why would I be scared' to a group of friends walking her home at 3am in a seedy part of downtown?

The other big tell was that he was super flirty with and into like literally 60+yo scrotes as a 19-20 year old, I never saw a woman unironically thirst over some geriatric moid like this guy did.

No. 2025642

>>2025627
Samefag but the other thing that should have been a tell is I remember him saying he had to go to the (public, multi-stall) bathroom once when we were at a bar we both played at and I was like 'oh yeah actually I'll go with you' and he made what I can only describe as a 'fearful' face and said 'oh I'll wait and go after you then,' it seemed weird to me at the time but I didn't think much of it. Looking back I think he had some weird porn idea that women go to the bathroom together to make out or something because otherwise I can't imagine why he would be so freaked out to go to some 4-stall cubicle bathroom at the same time.

No. 2025646

>>2020707
What peaked me was TIMs. Even when I was a trans ally I was always skeptical of transwomen, I figured the HSTS men on TV were fine but I was never comfortable with the concept that someone can live their formative years as a man with male privilege being a woman all along and understanding what that's like. There was also a thing on TV about a transkid and I thought it was weird and creepy, even a classmate who skewed conservative thought that it'd be no big deal if this was a 20 year old, but this was an actual kid being "turned into a girl" just for liking dresses. I read some old school gender theory from the 2000s and thought some of it was regressive, but I thought that this was just a small minority of people and it's not like they would turn the tide of things. Then when I came out as a lesbian at 19 I saw the whole genital preference/"lesbian sex can include PIV"/"you're a hypocrite if you're willing to be friends with transwomen but not go on birth control to date them" shit and it horrified me as a rape victim who spent my teen years going through homophobic abuse. I thought the mantra was that we were born this way and that conversion therapy is abuse, but now "gay" communities support it? I figured that was just a minority of trans and they would just seethe on Tumblr, but once again I was wrong.

No. 2025661

>>2025646
Yeah nona idk how anyone can regularly interact with TIMs and not come out of it thinking they're predators, especially AGP TIMs. Even when I was more supportive of gendershit (I was never TRA/fully libfem but like you I thought oh it's a tiny minority with dysphoria, I'm sure they're harmless) whenever I met a TIM irl it was always the creepiest, most low-effort scrote and I kept trying to tell myself 'I'm sure most of them aren't like this' until I couldn't anymore. I genuinely think most women who unironically support TRA/troon shit just haven't interacted with many TIMs irl because they would peak anyone.

Like you said it also makes no intuitive sense that a man can be raised and socialized male his entire childhood and adolescence and even early adulthood and somehow 'relate to' or 'understand' what it's like to be raised female. How would that even work? The shit you deal with being raised female is shit 99% of males don't even notice at all, they are too accustomed to thinking of themselves as the human norm to even consider what girls are raised like. Talk to basically any normie moid that hasn't read a bunch of feminist lit and you'll see they never even noticed 90% of the shit girls were subjected to growing up and probably won't even believe you if you tell them. So how can these specific moids claim to be so extremely sensitive to the female child experience that they not only noticed it all but 'internalized' it even though it wasn't directed at them?

No. 2025841

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something i have noticed as a very tall woman is that TIMs consistently treat me with absolute contempt once they realize i am an actual woman and it’s honestly so funny to me at this point, like it’s obvious enough that even my friends can pick out when a tranny is staring at me like they want to wear my skin.

i frequent a number of spaces that have a disproportionate number of troons in the community and they are typically all ogreish and obviously male, like i have never met a single TIM that comes anywhere close to passing, and it’s kind of a known thing in some of these spaces that if you see someone over 5’10 in a dress it’s almost definitely a man. they often bemoan their height and insist that if they were just shorter and smaller they’d totally pass and that the only thing that outs them as male is being “too tall” for a woman. and then they come face to face with a real live natal woman who is the same height as them and yet so unmistakably female in comparison that it’s often impossible for them to hide how hard they are seething lmao

No. 2025845

>>2025841
Based, keep fighting the good fight nona.

No. 2025853

>>2025841
>when they realize i am an actual woman
So…you get mistaken for a tranny first? Your post is cringe nona. Nobody cares that you're 5'10".

No. 2026012

>>1991983
>>2025841
Kek I have the misfortune of being in circles and workplace “””friends””” with male troons and have a similar deal. I can tell by the way I’m looked at and treated by them that they’re uncomfortable by me being gnc and not a gendie, so earth shattering. Also by me being the same height (tall) yet my build is significantly smaller bc sexual dimorphism, typing this sounds weird but I don’t know how to express that I can feel their gaze on me and it’s very violently envious or angry. Probably both. The vibe I always get from them is that weird mix of sexualized anger that’s so, so intrinsic to scrotes is almost laughable how fucked up it is

No. 2026033

>>2025841
They seethe after the most basic shit it's so funny. I knew short TIMs and the thing they seethed at me about was my hands.

No. 2026050

>>2020707
a man confessed to a confession page of stealing clothes from his deceased mother and the comments were defending him and dog piling me for calling him a creep. That's what fully peaked me

No. 2026069

>>2020707
I was into Jfashion and there were always sissy fetishists trying to ingratiate themselves with my local community to use us as fetish fodder. Before gender ideology really took off everyone acknowledged that these men were sexual predators who should be banned on sight. Then around ~2013 there was this shift towards a more sympathetic (that is, naive) attitude because “some of these people might actually be transwomen, who are the most oppressed people evar and the only reason anyone might feel uncomfortable around them is ignorance and bigotry!”
All of a sudden we were supposed to welcome these men with open arms and give them the benefit of the doubt no matter how inappropriately they acted towards us. Being told to suppress my intuition regarding predatory men (who we all agreed were perverts only like a year ago) already set off plenty of alarm bells, but then I found out that the most deranged, pornsick, serial-killer-in-training horrorcow I knew had been allowed to fully legally and medically transition. He showed us the fraudulent sex marker on his passport and threatened to show us his designer rotpocket, too. That shattered the concept of “true trans” for me. If a fully trained team of psychiatrists and surgeons could look at this guy, who had a raging cluster B personality disorder and couldn’t go five minutes without saying something misogynistic or oversexed, whose entire social media presence consisted of degradation porn, and say sure, this is a legit transwoman, then clearly there was something very wrong. Either transwomen could be dangerous sexual predators in a way not meaningfully distinguishable from men or the process that determines who is genuinely transgender is a farce. It’s both! It then clicked that the better behaved ones weren’t women either. No men are women, no matter how they behave or who they’re attracted to or how they dress. I had peaked and there was no going back.

No. 2026096

>>2026069
Reminds me of those reddit posts where it's some 50 year old sissy fetishist posting his weird shit in a female fashion subreddit and the comments are filled with a bunch of "omg so beautiful girlie!!" Handmaidens. Totally ridiculous

No. 2026189

>>2026069
This is one of the things that makes me seethe so much when it comes to my friends in jfashion, we've had a foot in one way or another in the community since 2010 (hell, some of them even longer) and thus are very aware of sissies and how dangerous and disgusting they are, but at the same time they are raging TRAs. The cognitive dissonance drives me absolutely insane.

No. 2026268

What do nonas think of the kind of tranny who would simply want rights to call himself a woman/claim to be one even without forcing others to play along with his delusion?

No. 2026276

>>2026268
He should seek help for his mental illness that causes delusions and discomfort in his own body

No. 2026277

>>2025841
How do troons forgot what body proprtion is? Males have broader shoulders and wider frames, generally broader and wider than even slightly taller women. It's not just the height, a normal person can capture all at once (overall frame of a person) and conclude a tranny is a male.

No. 2026367

>>2025853
Way to miss the entire point of her post

No. 2026388

>>2026268
>want rights to call himself a woman/claim to be one
Is that a "right," though? I'm confused as to what the implications of calling it such would be.

No. 2026393

>>2026268
it's never just that. they want access to everything we have.

No. 2026417

>>2026268
the right to call himself a woman without forcing anyone else to do so is included under free speech, so unless they live in a 24/7 terf surveillance state aka. what they think the UK is kek there's no reason to "want the right" in the first place as it's something they already have.

No. 2026427

>>2026268
I have zero problem with a man in a dress who knows that he’s a man in a dress. But is this hypothetical tranny gonna use the men’s bathroom? Or insist that since he’s a woman, he should get to use the women’s bathroom? This is what really and truly peaked me - I realized that there is no gray area - men are men and women are women - a man can never “become” a woman, and if he passes as a woman that just makes him a man in a well-crafted disguise. And since they are men, their male entitlement compels them to demand access to women’s spaces - they are not satisfied when you try and tell them “sure, you can call yourself a woman, I accept you as a woman, just please use the men’s restroom” because they’ll turn around and say “well if you think I’m a woman then you need to let me into women’s spaces, otherwise you don’t really support me and you’re a transphobic bigot who should be cancelled for your literal violence against me.” I fully peaked when I realized that since men are men, they do not belong in women’s spaces - the poorly-passing AGP is just as much of a man as the HSTS who started puberty blockers at age 9. Even the “nice” and “reasonable” male trannies will push back when you tell them “no” because ultimately being transgender is about denying reality and forcing everyone around you to play along - or else.

No. 2026487

>>2026268
If he wants to dress however he wants and hack of his dick, thats fine, but he can't force others to call him a woman

No. 2026686

>>2024418
I had a similar concept, forget the exact words, handed to me when my old friend tifs out and I replied no she killed my friend and trashed her fucking name.
It was to my boyfriend at the time, husband now who was peaked separately by one of his old friend group becoming a cam"girl" and my tif revealing her true shithead powerlevel

No. 2026787

>>2026268
I would question what the root causes are that drive him to desire to refer to himself as a woman because it is 100% always rooted in misogyny. I do not associate with any man that believes he understands what it's like to be a woman because it is an inherently misogynistic delusion that can only exist if he has little to no understanding of what women actually experience. In my terf utopia he would still be sent to a labor camp.

No. 2026799

>>2025494
>today she misunderstood my joke, then continuously berated and made fun of me in front of everyone else
Let me guess, she found it "offensive" in some way? What a bitch, you should find some kind of covert way to get revenge on her.

No. 2026804

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>>2014983
Awww, anon! I made this forever ago. Here's the accompanying TiF version from back then.

No. 2026812

>>2026804
accurate

No. 2026814

>>2026268
I don't care about those, even if wanting to call himself a woman is factually incorrect, it's technically his free speech to be wrong. Same with how flat earthers and Covid truthers are wrong but aren't doing anything illegal, they're fringe groups. As long as we're equally allowed to disagree I don't care about this minority of transgender. I'd have less of an issue with TRAs if they didn't force people to agree with them and indoctrinate other people.

No. 2026818

>>2025319
troons on twitter are mad about it so it might not be all bad

No. 2026936

I hate and extra hate when troons use the "would you rather a dead son/friend or a happy trans daughter/friend?" because not only they feel absolutely miserable after transitioning because they live in a constant awkward stage of their life, they are dead. I recently lost a friend to the trans movement and it's like they're dead because after transitioning her personality switched to a chronically online twittard one and it's like speaking to a scripted bot. They are dead. I know it's bleak and dark but sometimes I wish she was actually dead because seeing a husk of who she was walking around, speaking with her ruined voice and acting weird, knowing that she is still there but not anymore feels like a death or some demonic possession and I'm not religious in the slightest, it's horrid.
So yeah. I would like to remember my friend in a happy way, not in a sad one while her body still walks around.

No. 2026961

>>2026268
I’ve found the most self aware trannies are the HSTS. They still say some viciously misogynistic shit because they’re gay men but they’re less insecure and at least bond with the faghags, so for me it’s less a division between what’s requested and more a division between AGP and HSTS. I automatically do not trust AGPs no matter how innocuous they claim to be, where HSTS I can give the benefit of the doubt.

Also like other nonas have said, that’s technically protected under free speech/spiritual belief. I’ve grown to not believe in trutrans and see it as a spiritual belief like religion and from then on it’s how well the person can integrate despite their belief. HSTS broadly integrate with women better and I respect them on that regard. AGPs are universally degenerates and should stick to their own cliques like flat earther and qanon retards stay in their own circles

No. 2027093

>>2026961
Misogyny aside, the harm HSTS do is mostly done to themselves or other men, and I honestly don't give a fuck about the latter. A gay person trying to become a straight person of the opposite sex doesn't have the same harm as the other way around. If a HSTS tries to rape a straight man by deception, 9 times out of 10 he'll be overpowered anyway. Ironically, the minority of TIMs I've known who admit that they're not women have been HSTS.

No. 2027161

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>>2026936
>would you rather a dead son/friend or a happy trans daughter/friend
Yeah, and it also assumes that troons are guaranteed to kill themselves if they don't medically transition, which just isn't true. The Cass report found that the suicide rate for trans-identified people is about the same as it is for other mental illnesses, like schizophrenia, autism, and BPD (all of which troons typically have). What this means is that there are confounding variables; it's difficult to be certain if the suicidality is caused specifically by the gender identity issue. The same report also indicated that there isn't a strong base of support for the idea of transitioning actually reduces likelihood of suicide attempts. There are some studies that indicate a reduction in depression symptoms, but that could just as likely be because GIDS required patients to receive ongoing talk-therapy.

>I recently lost a friend to the trans movement and it's like they're dead because after transitioning her personality switched to a chronically online twittard one and it's like speaking to a scripted bot

Yes, something very similar happened to my best friend after she began dating a TiF. Luckily, her personality has yet to be completely eclipsed by the ideology, probably because she's maintained connections with me and a few other non-crazies. I'm still so fucking angry at her TiF girlfriend, though. Trying to turn your girlfriend into a clone of you isn't love, it's abuse.

But to your point, it is basically like your friend or relative died and their body is being puppeteered by a cultish ideologue that acts and speaks identically to thousands of others just like them online. You just kind of hope that some day they'll snap out of it, and luckily, they occasionally do (though not as often as would be ideal, which is always.)

No. 2027217

>>2026804
Thank you for your contributions to lolcow society, nonna

No. 2027239

First tranny I met was actually an AGP in the late 00s. Since I was young and stupid I just accepted him as being a tall, kind of ugly looking woman. I met him through an anime convention forum that lets you find roommates. Was dating a woman, didn't realize that she was straight and dated him since pre-transition. Quickly learned how abusive he was to her after spending more time with them. Classic tranny narcissism, just throwing male rage fits and screaming at his gf in public. And having no self awareness. I remember he was fishing for compliments trying to ask if he could pull of a Bayonetta cosplay, then insisted that he could kek. Also, since I'm tomboyish and kind of frumpy he had the audacity to try to "fix" me too, since he's clearly an expert on it!
Whats funny is their friend secretly hated him and would misgender him behind his back. Sadly now she's a massive TRA and they're still friends. I looked back on his Facebook and he's still done nothing to fix his fucked up non passing face, just keeps getting breast implants every few years. I don't know what it is with AGP trannies where they neglect face surgery in favor of breast augmentation. His body, like many others, have that male fat distribution problem where having large boobs just makes him look top heavy and hunched over, whilst his lower half is all compressed.
It's funny to look back on now. I only peaked in the last 3 years or so but that should have been a sign.

No. 2027269

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Funny, you would say the same thing about TRAs.

No. 2027280

>>2027161
>it is basically like your friend or relative died and their body is being puppeteered by a cultish ideologue
This is true even of people who are non-trans but hang out too much around trans people, I fell out with one of my two best friends this way. She actually tried to troon out, desisted but then fell further into trans cult/'queer'/SJW community thinking afterwards as some kind of penance for her wrongthink and went from being one of the most interesting heterdox thinkers I know who didn't have partisan-aligned opinions on everything and could hold deep conversations to this weird clone of other people in the 'queer' community who would shut down/stop talking whenever an 'uncomfy' topic or opinion came up. I would have honestly been less sad if she had just parroted their talking points but it seemed like she shut down like a malfunctioning robot whenever anything remotely controversial came up, like she knew deep down there was some truth to what other people were saying but couldn't handle hearing it. When I finally snapped and confronted her about it she said she couldn't 'support the mental self harm' I was inflicting on myself by being concerned about social issues.

No. 2027281

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Everybody point and laugh

No. 2027298

>>2027281
>You have a baby
Fucking always. Retard just wants the attention that the baby has been receiving, just like all the rest of them.

No. 2027304

>>2027298
Not just the attention the baby has been receiving but I think they become jealous of the attention their wife receives while pregnant and her objective importance in the creation of new life. They seem to get some combo of womb envy and envy directed at their own child. Extremely dysgenic.

No. 2027305

>>2023443
Oh shit nonnie, that is the same exact thing that peaked me. It was kind of a fateful day seeing that discussion on the front page back then, because I never would have even heard about it if it wasn't for this place

No. 2027309

>>2026388
As opposed to openly admitting they are male.

No. 2027312

>>2027281
i think the only thing you can do if it happens is dump him or turn off his access to internet. including on his phone

No. 2027313

>>2027269
TRAs only fight for the rights of "women" depending on if they have a dick, pre or after surgery. If you at no point have had a dick you're the enemy.

No. 2027316

>>2026417
This, they already have the right to call themselves untruths. And we have the right to disagree.
If you mean legally, then no, they shouldn't be allowed to lie on legal documents.

No. 2027319

>>2026427
>Even the “nice” and “reasonable” male trannies will push back when you tell them “no” because ultimately being transgender is about denying reality and forcing everyone around you to play along - or else.
Well put nona. Most of us really don't care if men crossdress at all. But they stop crossdressing the second you don't pretend they're a woman, because it was never about the clothes for them.

No. 2027325

>>2027319
I care if men crossdress because it outs them as creeps but they should legally be allowed to do it as long as I am legally allowed to avoid them and not have them in women's spaces. In fact I'm all for creeps outing themselves. There is no special troon 'right' that they can possibly ask for that they don't already have in basically every western country though, it's always been legal for people to lie and dress weird.

No. 2027327

We don’t really need this thread. There’s a peak trans thread in 2x. /ot/ is too clogged up.
>nobody can find 2x!!!
Yes actually they can. If you can’t, then you’re a newfag and should fuck off.

No. 2027330

>>2027327
The thread was made because so many people complained that 2x was completely taken over by tradthots and right wing rhetoric and had become its own thing, and also people were constantly trying to go on tangents on the /snow/ threads. How is this one singular thread 'clogging up' /ot/?

No. 2027340

>>2026804
This is absolute perfection, I kiss your hand nona

No. 2027349

>>2026268
I dont really care for trannies who just want to live their lives and if their friends want to larp along whatever. But if they start demanding others to see them as women, access to womens spaces, sports etc, inserting themselves to discussion of womens rights and biology and policing how we speak (not all women have uteruses! etc), grooming confused teenagers into thinking they are trans too, then I have a problem. And because of the recent tra shit most trannies seem to demand everyone to play along with their delusions, to different degrees, like some might oppose troons in womens sports but chimp out if you call him a sir.

No. 2027360

>>2027281
Based wife, she needs to just divorce his dumb ass now

No. 2027381

>>2027327
>calling others newfag when you're too retarded to hide a thread

No. 2027405

>>2026393
>>2026427
>>2026787
Agree with all of these. TIMs are inherently misogynistic, deceitful and predatory. There is no such thing as a harmless TIM. Even kids like Jazz Jennings who are victims of transhausen by proxy are contributing to the erosion of women’s rights and boundaries. If you agree that one kind of male can be considered a woman then why not other kinds of male? It’s not in the nature of TIMs to ever be satisfied. If you give them a finger they will keep pulling and pulling until they’ve ripped your whole arm off.

Men can call themselves women in the same way that anyone can claim to be a reincarnated Napoleon Bonaparte. Being mentally unstable and delusional shouldn’t be a crime. But those delusions shouldn’t be given any kind of legal weight and nobody should be expected to play along with it. It shouldn’t even be considered kind to play along, because then it will automatically be expected of women to do so. It needs to become common knowledge that men who want to be called women are coming from a place of fetishism and misogyny and that women are fully justified in avoiding them. We need to treat transgenderism like we treat transracialism. Not illegal, but definitely embarrassing and offensive.

No. 2027411

One of the saddest thing about TiFs is witnessing their rapid disillusionment as they settle into their 'transition'. In my experience there's always a moment when you can tell 'oh she's pretty aware she's still a woman and will never be taken seriously'. Recently a TiF i know reacted strongly to 'misogynistic men are spiritually gay' talk but her reaction was really different from your typical woke response (saying it's homophobia, missing the point). She ranted about how 'us gay men' aren't a garbage bin for shitty men who can't respect women. She very clearly spoke as a female, because there's no way an actual gay man would be this badly hurt by witnessing misogyny. She went on and on about how much it sucked to have a dating pool comprised of such men, and you could sense her slow realization that the so-called 'gay men' she dated were really bisexual or straight perverts at most. Every time i hang out with her she (briefly) complains about extremely female-typical experiences, like never being taken seriously or being prevented from solving/fixing stuff, things like that. I don't know how these TiFs can stand this life, being extremely aware of female socialization but never escaping it. She's tiny and has a frog voice, too. I'm starting to think this kind of non-passing TiF only sticks with this farce because they undergo drastic things like mastectomy really early on, as a way to fully commit before they can second-guess themselves. They most likely have terribly low self-esteem and can't imagine going back to honest womanhood with a partially masculinized body.


>>2027239
>I don't know what it is with AGP trannies where they neglect face surgery in favor of breast augmentation
Fetishism. This word has been watered down to the point where it barely means anything now, but fetishism has always been about reducing the other (most often a woman) to an object. AGPs will always have a body part or costume or behavior they're obsessed with, breasts (very commonly), tights, shoes, a mask etc. AAP doesn't quite fit this fetishism definition, which is why fujo fakebois are noticeably different despite a common obsession for anime/homosexuality/etc. Women in general aren't prone to fetishism. A lot of AGP behavior makes sense when you realize they've given up on things like actual relations with mutual pleasure, because most of their sexual/fantasy life revolves around dehumanizing the self or the other by turning it into a thing. This is why men who are deep enough into their fetish feedback loop will ruin their marriages/jobs/families, they've already substituted normal affect for a fetishistic one and only stay in marriage because it's convenient, or to have someone to enact their sexual scenarios and help them realize their fetish in day-to-day life.

No. 2027414

>>2027411
Good analysis of the AGP fetishism thing nona. Yeah I think a lot of 'normies' won't understand what male AGP troonism (and honestly a lot of HSTS troonism) is really about until they understand this. They might understand if they spend a few hours reading trans subreddits and see that many of these men admit they will take the chance of cutting their genitals off and never experiencing pleasure again for what they openly admit is a fetish. Normal people can't even imagine this level of sexual depravity and mental degradation so they think it doesn't/can't exist.

Regarding TIFs it's not only the moment where you can tell they know they are being treated like women and always will be, there's also usually that moment where you can see them going from 'excited' about physical changes to realizing they will be unhealthy and ugly forever, more and more and can't go back. Thankfully a lot of younger TIFs desist/detransition before this point but you can always see the attitude change in TIFs who were excited they were turning into 'cute boys' for the first year or two and then how they start acting when they become obese, balding, have a scruffy neckbeard and their voice stops 'dropping' and just sounds like they sucked on a helium balloon. I imagine a lot of these women are also undergoing really painful and depressing physical changes that aren't externally obvious, too. The clit enlargement is something a lot of them don't even know about beforehand and that I bet is dysturbing, many start to experience vaginal pain, some have prolapses…

No. 2027415

>>2027414
Lol I changed 'dysphoria causing' to 'disturbing' and got dysturbing, but honestly both.

No. 2027418

>>2027327
The thread is almost a month old, why do you feel the need to throw in your two cents like anyone asked? Just minimize the thread.

No. 2027423

>>2027327
Learn to hide threads and use the catalog, newfag

No. 2027448

>>2027411
>I'm starting to think this kind of non-passing TiF only sticks with this farce because they undergo drastic things like mastectomy really early on, as a way to fully commit before they can second-guess themselves.
This is a big difference between TIFs and TIMs that is important to emphasise, I think. TIF mastectomies are considered one of the very first steps to transition and are often performed on girls who are still in their teens and haven’t even finished developing. TIFs are encouraged to get one as quickly as possible after coming out as trans. TIMs and especially AGPs, on the other hand, don’t tend to have surgeries until they’re much older, if at all. The main exceptions are those who have a transhausen by proxy parent driving the whole thing. Many TIMs never go further than HRT and appear to be content with the gynecomastia it gives them, or they use breast prosthetics. Even if we set aside the grossly unequal effects that cross sex hormones have on males and females, the average TIF transition process is much more drastic and permanent than the average TIM process. TIFs are marked for life early on but many TIMs can walk away with minimal damage.

No. 2027481

>>2027448
I hadn't thought about this explicitly before but it is really true. On the other hand phalloplasty seems even rarer than the dick chop and when it is done it does seem to be done much later in transition, but it's true the double mastectomy seems to happen right away, sometimes to people only in their early or mid teens.

No. 2027492

there's this one beautiful and insanely talented girl but she's a xe/she/they/him asexual dating a polyamorous nonbinary bpd transbian who is very much into bdsm. i love her art but that man is FUGLY. why are talented artists like this

No. 2027512

>>2025433
I'm like nonnie and my old therapist thought I was a TiM when I was having my TiF phase, thank God I never took HRT ("In what way are you transitioning?") same happened online, where I'd be mistaken as a femboy even if showing my face. I also remember this TiM telling me that I'm a cute "boymoder" (he thought I was like him, how deluded some people are is crazy)

No. 2027513

>>2027512
Okay but both your gender therapist and a TIM don't count because they are in the throes of delusion and on the internet/in still photos it is genuinely harder to tell. Basically no normal person in reality fails to recognize someone's bio sex when actually meeting them though especially women. There's a high chance your therapist was just trying to be polite too and asking questions so you could explain yourself, some people get really offended if someone 'knows' what their biosex is.

No. 2027663

>>2027513
There was the picture, and me going on video chat once (it's a shitty logitech webcam). The man was so weird. He was really insisting if I had a penis, and told me that I should stop trying to fool in men, I said that I had a cock and XY chromosomes, because I knew that if I didn't say that lie, he would've acted even more inappropriate with me. Men online, when they are "transmisogynistic" to TiMs, still hold more respect than when they're just misogynistic. In any way, he acted more homophobic towards me than misogynistic.
I wonder if I should go back to my therapist, because most of my suffering was around my gender nevrosis and she couldn't know how to help me.
In real life too, I get "sir"'d but it's until I talk, after that, the other person (usually a woman) meekly apologizes for her mistake.
It is hard to just not feel like a failed woman in those moments - even if there's no right or wrong way to be a woman.

But thank you for your insight. It's true that IRL, people can indeed, tell.

No. 2027668

>>2027663
Honestly he was probably trying to upset/"neg" you more likely than really believing you were a TIM. Why don't women ever do this I wonder. Even in your stories about women mistaking you for a man irl it seems like a case of not paying attention and just seeing your clothes out of the corner of their eye or something, this used to happen to my boyfriend all the time who had long hair and a more slight figure but it was obvious as soon as people looked at him for more than a half second they were always like 'oooops!!' I think the phenomenon of someone just not paying attention and mistaking your sex is different than some guy on video chat insisting you're not female when you say you are, men do shit like that on purpose to upset women.

No. 2027684

>>2027668
Oh no no no it was the opposite with the guy - I was just pretending to be a guy to be left alone (harassment by incels on women online is horrid), and he insisted I was a femboy/TiM who should take more estrogen to grow my boobs and to quit fooling men - and I said I was just a man with hormonal issues, not a TiM - Because I knew that if I told him I'm a woman he would've gone nuclear.
But you're right that a lack of attention can result to this. I go to a woman only gym sometimes, so sometimes I really see those very gorgeous and masculine women and I know they are not gendies lol

No. 2027697

>>2027684
Do you have a really deep voice. I don’t get how they wouldn’t tell from hearing.

No. 2027698

>>2027684
Ohh okay that makes more sense then sorry. I just usually assume with 'casual' irl misgendering it's just someone who didn't look at you carefully because whenever I've seen it happen the person either walks away continuing not to care or apologizes 2 seconds later.

No. 2027700

>>2027697
NTAYRT but maybe that's why he thought she was a TIM/femboy? Sometimes they do really high squeaky falsetto voices that could sound similar enough to women at first listen.

No. 2027771

>>2027697
https://voca.ro/1ejzlTInrgQk
I think the only way is to do a vocaroo.. but people around me tell me that at worst I'm sounding like a TiF who didn't medically transition yet but my voice isn't that deep? I just talk on my comfortable range , not the customer service Voice(personalityfagging)

No. 2027795

>>2027771
Ayrt. Holy shit you actually sent your voice. Your voice isn’t masculine. It’s normal. What accent is that? Are you Asian? I can’t tell.

No. 2027799

>>2027771
Samefag
>TIF that didn’t transition
So like a woman’s voice then? Don’t worry about it.

No. 2027802

>>2027795
Haha I do sound like my Asian friend, but no I'm around Europe
>>2027799
Yeah but many TiFs try to force themselves into sounding deeper. This voice is my comfortable range

No. 2027806

>>2027771
Your voice is nice and you have a cute accent

No. 2027809

>>2027771
Something tells me the guy bothering you knew you were actually female and was trying to neg/pester you into sending intimate photos as "proof" that you didn't have a dick or something because you don't even sound slightly male.

No. 2027829

>>2027771
I think he's using reverse psychology

No. 2027839

>>2027806
You're very sweet, thank you, I always hated my voice but I think that's everyone? I'm sure you sound lovely too
>>2027809
>>2027829
Oh that makes so much more sense now. I am on the spectrum so it totally went over my head.

No. 2027866

>>2027771
You sound like a guy and you’re also an attention whore. Kekk

No. 2027902

>>2027771
Did you delete this just now or is the site tweaking? Anyway don't worry because everyone I meet tells me I'm the deepest voice they ever heard on a woman so far and I'm still recognizably female, even if someone inattentive might register only the pitch at first and assume male

No. 2027912

>>2027902
One of my female friends has a male-level low voice lower than a lot of men and her voice is still recognizably female, female vocal cords just sound different or something. No one has ever mistaken her for a man.

I think the only time that voices are confusing is around puberty/teenagerhood, TIF T voices can sometimes be mistaken for voices of boys going through puberty and male/female preteens often have similar voices, but after that it's usually pretty obvious.

No. 2027996

>>2027411
>>2027414
This has been discussed here before, but it's still worth pointing out how most TIMs spend a lot of effort/money on the same few specific things: breast augmentation through hormones/surgery, body hair removal, growing their hair out (regardless of how good it looks), and aping a "feminine" voice. Everything else about their presentation is hilariously slapdash and malebrained, from the way they dress to the way they move. It's like they think that as long as they have what a man would consider feminine, i.e. long hair, shaved legs, pink/female clothes, no facial hair and so on, then they pass, and that allows them to focus on the aspects of transition that sexually excite them.

No. 2028008

>>2027996
>Body hair removal
Oh nonnie that's generous, kek. In my experience, most of the ones I've met don't even go that far. Most think that growing out your hair, getting boobs, and buying a skirt and thigh highs combo off aliexpress will be enough

No. 2028009

In a quiet wave of censorship, a bunch of accounts are getting on banned on terfstagram and users are barred from remaking new ones. Anyone know more info and if the accounts are banned by ip address or phone number?

No. 2028304

>>2027996
It's true and that's part of what makes it so funny. Seeing a 6"7 ape with bolt ons and greasy strings of hair battling past the male pattern baldness mince about in a pair of stripper heels and call himself a laydee completely unironically has peaked many TRAs. They make it so obvious that it's a fetish and nothing more. Those same moids seethe over women who like Chinese BL men with pretty faces, long hair and flowing dress-like robes, which only makes it funnier.
>>2028008
They fixate on body hair removal if it's part of their fetish. If the fetish stops at putting on thigh highs and giggling in the mirror, there's no incentive to put in any more effort.
>>2028009
Can you post proof or elaborate on this? Is it like Tumblr censoring trans women's blogs because they're filled with bare moobs and bulge shots, or is Instagram just deleting troon accounts randomly?

No. 2028404

>>2027996
Have you ever seen the trannies on Flickr? They spend more money on the fucking camera they take their photos with.

No. 2028874

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13461901/Transgender-men-postmenopausal-bladder-bowel-problems.html
It seems like we can expect an influx of studies telling us how much testotorone fucks up the female body. Not surprised, but i've always been curious as to how tras react to such studies. I've never seen them respond to them, they always act like it they don't exist.

No. 2028881

>>2028874
95%. Transmen are all literally pissing themselves, their "true selves" is being covered in piss.

I've only ever seen troons combat medical lies about them when it comes from a fellow troon or makes them look "better". For example scishow recently lied about hrt not effecting the bones of adults (only teens) and a troon chimed in that "actually poor adult transwoemen suffer from poor bones due to hrt too, it makes us more like cis females with weak bones" so even then it's not honest because they don't care about the science. They're going to dismiss every study as transphobia for as long as they can, while secretly pissing themselves of course.

No. 2028912

>>2028874
It will be the same shit about how they prefer to piss themselves than mass kill themselves etc.

No. 2028918

>>2028881
>their "true selves" is being covered in piss.
this makes the derogatory term "gendersplat" even more fitting

No. 2028936

>>2028874
This one hits. I have PCOS and I've tried telling my female (former) friends who have trooned out that testosterone is poison and incredibly dangerous and all I get told is that I'm transphobic and it's fine to take if you're FTM because it's "aliging with your true self". Enjoy your incontinence panties, morons. Hope they do ones with race cars on or w/e so you don't get dysphoric about it.

No. 2029280

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>bored
>join discord server
>its full of a bunch of edgy racist gaydens
>immediately greeted by a nazi one calling people nigger left and right
>pronouns in bio
>one of them is a columbine fujo
>despite their attempt at mimicking male socialization they’re still aggressively female
Do trannoids really?

No. 2029284

>>2029280
Kek please post caps if you can, they sound like such cows

No. 2029285

>>2029280
The fact they want to be as horrible as males tells me TIFs troon out because it’s either be the predator or the prey and when you’re a traumatized woman you go into predator mode to prevent you from being hurt gain

No. 2029292

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>>2029284
Here is one of many

No. 2029295

>>2029292
Underage zoomers should not have access to the internet, CMV

No. 2029296

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>>2029292
Samefag

No. 2029338

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>>2029296
Shit like this is why I feel like teenagers getting "cyberbullied" is a part of the internet's circle of life. Think of how many tranny kids would quit this gender shit if more people, even normies, bullied them for being autistic, coomerish attention-whores.

No. 2029353

>>2029285
I'm tired of people giving these losers the benefit of the doubt. We all deal with shit situations, but that doesn't excuse becoming an "ironic racist" or start grooming minors

No. 2029368

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>>1992125
Sorry to reply to an old post but is chaotic enby supposed to be that Himmler looking mf from the femboy thread (can't remember his name)

No. 2029369

>>2029292
I would assume this is a 32 year old woman to be honest. would love to know if I'm right. do you think they're actually 15?

No. 2029388

>>2029368
is he in somewhat related to that ftm who thought she was a reincarnation of hitelr

No. 2029407

>>2029368
spoiler this shit wtf

No. 2029419

>>2029296
this is incomprehensible

No. 2029427

>>2029388
No lol I just called him Himmler because he looks like him and other anons made the same joke

No. 2029448

>>2029338
>Shit like this is why I feel like teenagers getting "cyberbullied" is a part of the internet's circle of life
it's vital for teenagers to learn social boundaries and consequences, affirming them in everything they do is unhealthy and creates fucked up adults

No. 2029462

>>2029448
Fucking exactly, nonna. Affirming teenagers for every dumb fantasy in their head is how you end up with young women who cut their tits off and try to go as 'Aiden' because they never got the proper talk they needed about their insecurity during their teen years. More people need to tell teenagers to shut the fuck up about trooning out, and to embrace simply not being their gender's stereotype.

No. 2029470

>>2029462
tumblr for sure made young childless women (some men too) think they had the authority to be "the mom friend" and to raise/groom kids online because they totally know better than the actual parents of the kid. "oh your parents don't accept you? i'm your new mommy now, i'll send you a binder and i'll always love and support you to be your true trans self… don't tell your parents, only tell me"

No. 2029473

>>2029448
>>2029462
This plus the way that online dumbshittery is now so easily linked to kids’ true identities and “true self”. Back In My Day we got up to all sorts of cringy shit online but it couldn’t be linked back to us because we were taught never to post photos of ourselves or share any other kind of identifying information. Walking away from your most recent embarrassing phase was as easy as never logging into that account again. Now these teens have their “not a phase, mom!” linked to their true identity and memorialised on the internet for eternity, so it must feel like they’re locked in.

No. 2029516

>>2029473
Kids also seem like they can't separate real life from online, I've seen people talk about getting social anxiety from roblox.

No. 2029752

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>>2028304
No it’s a huge mass banning of terf and gc accounts under these new guidelines. MRAs unaffected, so the new rules are being applied unevenly.

No. 2029920

>>2029280
I dare you to call one of these Aidens a woman and see what happens. See if they find "she/her" even more offensive than "nigger".

No. 2030004

Ugh I just went to some gathering mostly of scientists and for some reason one of them was an enby with fairly insane aesthetics, like full beard, boobs, flowery skirt, little girl barrettes with otherwise masc clothing and a name similar to something like 'porsche,' I don't understand how people who literally study biosciences for a living can do this and not feel weird about it. It feels like it's just done intentionally to confuse people and catch them off guard at some point, like "bet you can't guess what I'm trying to LARP as, ha ha!" when everyone can tell your sex easily so it just comes off as immature and obnoxious. I don't know why anyone would want other people walking on eggshells around them in general though.

No. 2030073

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Banned GC subreddits being mentioned on the mtf thread made me go on a hunt for archives, and saved the ones I found on saidit on a pastebin.
https://pastebin.com/qUA5XYgd
Picrel is one of the posts from the first ever peak trans thread in r/gc, I can't believe things were already so cursed back then.

No. 2030119

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>>2029296
Kekerino. Literally the TIF MRA in the TIF chart. (S)he's a vewwy scawwy man.

No. 2030145

10 years ago or so I was part of a school theatre play set with a TIF, there's one male role given to me (presumably it's because the guys gotten theirs already) where the TIF knew and started seething. The production crew simply told her I was better fit then she was screaming how the f*ck and all. Till this day I still remember every time a theatre related post shows up.

No. 2030154

>>1993500
i find it interesting how every single time a tif detransitions she always starts looking extremely feminine, wearing skirts, makeup etc. its obvious shes just shifting from one extreme to another and is dealing with mental illness but this time its a bit more covert

No. 2030157

>>1994021
how about "youre a boy if you have a penis and a girl if you have a vagina, but dress how you want"? that seems much better to me

No. 2030161

>>2030157
Dont give the stinkditch havers ideas

No. 2030172

>>2002854
haha this reminded me of an interaction between a tra and a lesbian chemist im friends with. being trans is not very common here and the chemist is kind of clueless about most things except cunnilingus, cars and breaking bad. she didn't even know what breaking bad was until recently but everyone kept asking her "oh so you watched breaking bad?" and she ended up watching it as some point and now she loves it. anyways we were all at some kind of event and i was with the chemist and this one friend who hates going outside and she showed me this website but i dragged her with me. and some tim starts flirting with the chemist and she says "i like my dates how i like my brownies, without nuts" and the tim is like "ah cis are assholes as always". the chemist asks "and what does that have to do with isomerism?" i loved that interaction bless her heart

No. 2030202

>>2030172
>chemistry, cars and breaking bad
I'm so jealous of you that you know this woman oml

No. 2030255

>>2030157
no anon, that's bigotry

No. 2030371

>>2027281
Did the wife watch Farewell my concubine or Tokyo Godfathers ? Either way great taste.

No. 2030457

>>2020707
I think it was ironically Breadtube. The Contrapoints videos 'Tiffany Tumbles,' 'Autogynophile' & 'The Aesthetic' were all very troubling and frankly insulting. Like why is this man telling me what it means to be a woman? & the way Nik boils down everything to being about superficial traits seems counter productive and not 'feminist'. Then everyone started trooning out- Philosophy tube (fucking skinwalker), quote un quote "Sophie from Mars", Jim Sterling. They've all got the same mind virus!

No. 2030477

>>2029285
But if TIFs wanted to be predators they would just act like women.

No. 2030484

>>2030457
It just cracks me up how Contra must seethe over Toob trooning out. Skinwalk women, get skinwalked yourself. And the way he does it is so blatantly coomerish, like he just thinks it is hot to be a gurl, exposing also the troons who try to hide their fetish behind "m-muh dysphoria."

No. 2030493

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I love how the gendies do everything they can to break free of gender stereotypes and expectations and always cycle back round to 'listen to men, defer to men' every single time.
>>2029368
He's deformed, has he shooped his face so much it looks like it's melting off his skull or does he actually look like that?
>>2030145
Based, please bring that up in casual conversation whenever there's a troon around.

No. 2030502

>>2029296
Why aren't you reporting his ass for racism and getting him banned from Discord

No. 2030503

>>2030502
*her, my bad, lol

No. 2030511

>>2029752
You'd think this would mean all tranny shit would be flagged. Or at least, now a lot of older tranny posts calling for the murder of women will be subject to this. And I bet those clowns don't even know it, heh.

No. 2030531

>>2030493
With trans panels and the like it always seems to be TIM central though? Granted, I don't really pay close attention to these things, but it's almost always a sausagefest; Aiden's (well, the ones brave enough to bring this up) quite frequently talk about how they're left out of things. So on top of being sidelined, they gotta pretend they're totally dominating with their male privilege and it's the TIMs who are voiceless? Female socialisation in action.

No. 2031668

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Idk if this is the right thread to ask but I love hearing stories about how TIMs absolutely seething over irl women esp when nonnas share some features that society deemed as “unfeminine” yet they still look like beautiful women by a landslide compared to these orgeish troons. Can any nonnas share more stories like this please? Id bring me so much joy.

No. 2031947

>>2030531
Yeah, general trans events practically always revolve around TIMs, and if there aren’t any TIMs there it’s because the subject matter doesn’t attract them or doesn’t apply to them. Nobody is excluding them except nature (for medical stuff) or themselves (for the hobbies they dgaf about).

No. 2031977

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Saw a cnn article about "how to react when you kid comes out as trans" and read it for a giggle cause I thought it would be like, 16 year old highschoolers or something. No, the kids it covers are 4 years old and 6, and this person asked their 4 year old "does it upset you you were born a girl" WHAT. And also the 4 year old DID NOT say that shit I don't believe it. Even worse it goes on "evan never liked typical girl clothes and activities, so it all clicked together". What "girl activities" is a fucking 4 year old supposed to like?! No comment section otherwise I'd be blowing a gasket

No. 2032042

>>2031977
>religion nut
>obsession with gender stereotypes
checks out, these freaks really cant stand the idea of their kids being gnc or gay. if they can manage to see trans shit as gender conformity with extra steps (as your picrel did), then its fast track on the progressive conversion therapy train.

No. 2032072

>>2031668
I've noticed that both tifs and troons get their days ruined whenever they hear a woman with a very vast vocal range sing or even just speak. Like, yes my voice will forever be higher than a troons yet easily lower and more stable than any tifs t. choir fag

No. 2032082

>>2031977
When I was age 4-6 I was upset that I had not been born a mermaid like Ariel. Thank god my mom didn't validate my delusions and sign me up to get my legs surgically sewn together to make a tail.

No. 2032085

>>2031977
>being a girl is wearing skirts and playing with dolls
There's no crowd more conservative than the gendertards

No. 2032136

>>2031977
No 4 year old talks like this

No. 2032205

>>2031977
so basically an article about how to abuse your child

No. 2032219

>>2031977
CNN is losing a fuckton of money and viewers right now, they're desperately trying to "how do you do fellow kids" and, thus, think this kind of shit is normal.

No. 2032324

>>2031668
this may not be precisely what you're looking for but i met one of the least self-aware troons i've ever encountered recently via anime convention. and that says a lot.
keep in mind: anime conventions, extremely pro LGBTQ+ crowd, I could not have been rude to this guy without receiving backlash or getting straght-up kicked out of the venue.
changing some details just in case mutuals lurk:
>be me, at the bar of this weeb mecca waiting for evening events to start
>i'm the only one there for a while so the bartender and i make conversation, i get the impression he's flirting with me a bit
>suddenly i hear what i think is someone doing a cruella de vil impression to my left
>'anita daaahhhhling' intonation, very breathy and forced-sounding
>i glance over to see a guy wearing a renfair tunic/skater dress, greasy-looking ponytail, tragically misapplied eyeliner, bad skin, overgrown brows, etc.
>ok, nona, let's not rush to conclusions, this guy could just be into LARPing a goth scottish highwayman or -
>'whahr cahn ah girhl faind somethang to drahnk ahround hyeah?'
>nope, nevermind.
>also the dental hygiene is terrible, like he has the worst breath i've ever encountered in my life and my sense of smell isn't great to begin with.
>the troon proceeds to tell his captive audience (myself waiting for an event to start, the bartender because he works there) that he's never had anything to drink before in his life, this is his first drink ever
>takes one sip of a jack and coke, starts acting like he's drunk enough to slur his words in a 'teehee aren't i helpless and cute' way while eyeing up the bartender.
>bartender clearly doesn't know what to make of it, starts avoiding this end of the counter
>don'tleavemeherealone.jpg
>as soon as the troon realizes the flirting didn't work he starts drinking much more rapidly and starts complaining that the booze is what's messing up his 'vocal training'.
>'that must be what drives people off'
>meanwhile, i'm a smoker
>my voice is gravelly/deep naturally to begin with
>i'm sitting here matching him faked-pitch-for-real-pitch like 'yes, do go on. tell me how hard it is to be a woman with a deep voice and how unsexy your potential mates find it.'
>

there was more to this interaction (he actually did get drunk and started following me and a friend to panels afterwards) but the voices thing really irked me because it felt like so transparently passing off his failing to be attractive to a straight man as 'well it's just because he doesn't like girls with deep voices'…bruh, clearly he does.

No. 2032511

>>2032324
>i'm sitting here matching him faked-pitch-for-real-pitch
Boy I felt this. Worked at a game company and had to listen to the resident troon talk in a falsetto voice with the upward inflection? Like he wants us to validate what he's saying? every morning. Meanwhile the ACTUAL women on the team sounded nothing like him.

No. 2032566

>>2031668
I have a few!

>Be tired, covered in dust and dirt, wearing shitty old clothes, been walking around in the middle of nowhere for hours and really look it

>Walk into a store for water when I find civilization, see surprise troon behind the counter, wearing a skimpy little number that really emphasizes his masculine body, and a crapton of badly applied makeup
>Extreme malding from troon for the few minutes I spent looking for and paying for a bottle of water and a couple snacks
>Everything from snide remarks about no man wanting a woman who doesn't put effort into her looks to passive aggressive bitching about how much time it took him to do his attempt at eyeliner to asking me if I was a lesbian because of my clothes
>Be normal until I'm out of hearing range then burst out laughing because that was so fucking surreal, this huge moid was wearing a clubbing outfit to work behind a till in bumfuck nowhere and thought he passed, trannies are so fucking retarded

>Overhear troon store assistant being a shithead to a pregnant coworker

>'Aww, you're so gorgeous now with the pregnancy glow! Is it going to last after the birth? Haha, of course it is! You're so pretty. I'm sure your husband will stick around! How old are you again? Isn't that a bit, you know, for a pregnancy? And it's your first, what if you want more? Oh… I guess you could always adopt…'
>Woman takes it remarkably well, troon probably does this all the fucking time
>While in line to pay, overhear pregnant lady talking to another coworker about how he's been at it again and her coworker offers to ask the troon when he's planning to get pregnant

>Be in city during Pride month

>Two moids in extremely obvious wigs, coated in glitter, wearing evening gowns, walking down the street fuming, can hear their conversation from a mile away because moids have no concept of volume control
>Think they're drag queens getting mad about some drag drama, turns out they were troons who dressed up for Pride, getting mad that other people thought they were drag queens
>They then get mad at the TIF who was part of their group, because everyone assumed she was a lost lesbian instead of a drag king, despite wearing man's suit with a bowtie and putting mascara on her mustache

Troons are seriously bizarre creatures. Every troon I've come across in the wild acts like a sim with a fetish, it's like they've dedicated their lives to becoming the embodiment of a handful of negative stereotypes and think that delusionmaxxing their way through life will make them real women/men.

No. 2032570

>>2032566
>While in line to pay, overhear pregnant lady talking to another coworker about how he's been at it again and her coworker offers to ask the troon when he's planning to get pregnant
Lmao incredibly based I hope she did this.

No. 2032730

An mtf in my program was fishing for sympathy because whenever he tried to hook up with lesbians they turned him down. It’s the fact that he mentioned lesbians specifically that gets me

No. 2032783

Forgive me if this isn't the right place, but I'm in my third trimester and just after some info.
I'm sure I've read before that if a ftm is using testosterone, it can transfer to me if she touches me/the baby.

Trying to find info is like pulling teeth. Do any of you know such links I can send my husband to have this conversation with his sister? She's coming over tomorrow and although he has said he would do his own research about it he has now said he doesn't know if he wants to ask her what form of testosterone she is using because of her reaction.
I've told him he needs to sort this out because I'm not risking my babies health, but I'm not sure if I've just been memed into thinking it's dangerous because tims and tifs are replusive.

No. 2032799

>>2032783
from what i've heard you wanna be on the lookout for "t-gel" specifically (basically testosterone applied onto the skin instead of injected via syringe). direct injections (or "shots") shouldn't pose any risks because you can't accidentally come into contact with it like the gel. i also don't believe most TIFs would take offense to being asked how theyre taking hormones, in fact it seems to be kind of a conversation topic for them, so your nigel should be able to ask this freely. i'm sorry you've gotta stress out over this though.

No. 2032800

>>2032783
it would be weird if he just asked her what meds she was on, yeah, but you or him could make some comment about how it must be tough to inject yourself/scared of needles blah blah blah and see if she corrects you that no, she's taking gel

No. 2032807

>>2032783
There have been studies that say that it can transfer even whilst dry, but only in reference to an adult woman, it's not enough to have side effects. Of course, for a baby, the dose could have different implications, but there is no real research on this. Better safe than sorry though. In regards to the research linked, this is talking about gels used for men which only contains 25mg vs 50-75mg found in hrt medications which is significantly higher. It's really difficult to find research that isn't busy praising testosterone for being life saving without ever getting into the details about the health implications it has on females or people in general, this this is the best we could do.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12030915/

No. 2032825

File: 1717380189724.png (92.95 KB, 1777x359, conformity.PNG)

I'm replying on this board for visibility because this is a very interesting phenomenon that I rarely see discussed as pertains to tifs. Blogpost warning, but I've been that type of self-consciously, superficially GNC but
feminine-minded girl described in picrel. I think tifs are like this inherently. One example is the predominance of anorexia among them, a feminine pathology even in the pursuit of a miniature facsimile of boyhood.

Has anyone else known someone like her, or been one?

No. 2032867

>>2032825
Is curating your aesthetic a gender conforming thing necessarily though? I have thoughts about that but I don't exactly know what.

No. 2032870

>>2032825
I have talked a lot to my irl friends about this phenomenon because I was the 'first type' of GNC girl/tomboy growing up. I never wanted or got short hair except for some brief phase after seeing a girl with a pixie cut I liked but then I realized it would grow out in my face so I didn't want it anymore, I just didn't really care that much about clothes or the 'gender' of my clothes but I wanted them to be comfortable because I did a lot of sports and tree climbing and shit, and other people always labeled me a tomboy or said I was 'like a boy' or masculine, I got bullied because people assumed I was a lesbian in middle school etc. I never wanted to troon out even remotely but when I was a young adult other people pushed me to troon out so my 'outsides would match my personality' which I found jarring and super weird.

On the other hand I actually knew few girls like myself (and the few I knew grew up to be vaguely gender conforming in their look once they realized it benefited them at school/work), but tons of the second type and all of them trooned out at least for a while. Like every single one of them turned out to be some kind of enby or TIF. They were the types of girls in my middle school who self-identified as 'nerds' and were into yaoi anime, didn't do any sports or athletic/physical activities, were obsessed with drawing, crafting, video games, anime, magic the gathering etc. A mix of very feminine interests and 'nerd boy' interests for the most part. They were super obsessive about their clothes in a way I wasn't (if my mom bought me a pink dress that was comfy I would wear it and not complain, these girls would say shit about how they would nevereverever wear pink or a dress), meticulously style their hair/makeup to be aesthetic (I didn't wear makeup), etc.

I wouldn't say curating an aesthetic is necessarily only a feminine thing but it is definitely a more female-stereotyped thing to do and something young boys especially are rarely socialized into doing, so it is interesting. Also many of those girls were anachans.

No. 2032873

File: 1717382689695.jpeg (110.19 KB, 1080x1189, IMG_6681.jpeg)

>>1991983
>>2031668
Oh Nona, I also love these reading these types of stories on here kek… I have a lot from working in entertainment since a lot of troons run here but this one is near and dear to my heart

>be me, one of two non gendie girls at my junior prom wearing a suit

>everyone is filing into the venue, im seated with my friends and just watching everyone walk in
>see greasy 4chan phenotype troon walk in, the most Neanderthal male looking face I’ve ever seen
>he’s wearing a dress that looks like it was bought off Amazon that had two slits on each side going all the way to the pelvis
>le barf
>greasy, ratted mousy hair left down with the most awful smeared makeup I’ve ever seen in my life, the black lipstick was smeared all down his chin like he was slobbering
>kek notice he’s a mouth breather
>anyways I go about my prom with my friends
>notice troon is DEATHGLARING ME across the dance floor
>im dancing the entire time with friends, troon and other female gendies are the ONLY PEOPLE SEATED while everyone else has fun
>they all look miserable
>troon literally cannot look away from me while I’m dancing, start to get creeped out
>get lost in the dance pit area, find aforementioned other non gendie girl in pants and a button up blouse
>never saw her before but we immediately sense eachothers vibe and dance together
>dumb hormonal 16 year olds so we made out a few times
>haven’t talked to her since but I will never forget my vaguely Slavic sounding, long haired prom waifu
>back to story
>I feel the troons eyes on me for like an hour at this point
>le me getting touchy with prom waifu
>average retarded 16 year old moment
>looks back at the 41% table
>the troon is looking back and forth to me and the female gendies, gesturing at us
>blubbering and sobbing
>kek out loud at the sight of a hulking future pedophile phenotype loli porn on hard drive ass troon sobbing at the mere sight of his lesbian classmates getting touchy
>spend the night being a based Stacy lesbians with my prom waifu
>I cannot emphasize how hard and focused this troon was at staring at us the entire time
>also cannot emphasize how literally everyone was socializing and dancing and having fun, while the table of trons stayed glued there the whole time looking retarded and sad while talking amongst themselves
>troon deathglares us while we are packing up and going home
>in line to get food scraps before we leave, tell my non gendie friends and prom waifu about troon and we are all laughing like crazy while eating Mac and cheese and sprite
>le troon walks by with plate
>can hardly contain laughter
>troon walks away and I can only presume he cried himself to sleep that night

No. 2032887

>>2032873
Sorry for same fag but I’m ESL and didn’t write the crying part clearly enough, the troon was crying to the female gendies at his table of what I presume are friends and then pointing at us, obviously upset at seeing women dance together kek

No. 2032894

>>2032873
This is a crazy story but simultaneously not surprising at all, both the troons not participating in dancing or fun and the crying meltdown at actual lesbians having fun parts.

No. 2033130

>>2032873
Two gigastacies vs mouthbreather troon

No. 2033185

>>2032870
Hearing about other fembrained tomboy wannabes embarrasses me, tbh I still present myself the way I did as a 12 year old trying to skinwalk the boys in my class I envied. Radfems don't acknowledge it but masculinity is often a performance also, to men mainly (who are striving for a level of manliness that doesn't come naturally). Sure, some idiots will call any neutral woman "mannish" but I would actually argue that none of the women described are truly masculine as defined for men. Like, body hair and not wearing makeup are neutral features, not masculine traits.
The second kind of tomboy is trying to overcome her own femininity (socialised or innate) but is working with a feminine tool kit. The same is seen in reverse as feminine men attempt to overcome their masculinity and can only do so through a male lens.

No. 2033256

>>2033185
>overcome her femininity
But do you think of why? Is it simply because its their most comfortable aesthetic or something else?

No. 2033350

>>2033160
There are different ways to define 'tomboy' though I think is what the anon above was saying. Like in Oxford dictionary "tomboy" is defined as "a girl who enjoys rough, noisy activities traditionally associated with boys." I don't think girls who like mainly female-coded activities or even male-associated nerd interests but wear masculine clothing actually fit into the 'traditional' definition of tomboys. When I was growing up no one called those girls tomboys either they were just called 'nerd girls.'

No. 2033353

>>2032870
I hated dresses with a passion but didn't give a crap about my clothes or hair in general. I don't think it's that black and white.

No. 2033358

>>2033353
Hating dresses doesn't make you masculine though it just means you hate dresses. Maybe the working definition has changed but when I was growing up a tomboy was a girl that was 'masculine' in behaviour, like a girl that liked roughhousing, extreme sports, and other male-coded activities. Not just any girl who didn't wear dresses, which was normal anyway. Most girls didn't wear dresses to school in the 1990s/early 2000s we wore jeans and t-shirts.

No. 2033361

>>2033358
Well, yes, I also liked roughhousing and sports and played with 'boy' toys, I was just addressing the point that anon was making about "curating" a tomboy aesthetic and how that's supposedly feminine (even though you rarely see boys who would be indifferent about wearing dresses if their mother happened to buy one for them).

No. 2033362

>>2033358
Samefag but I actually think the whole dresses/pink = girl, no dress/blue = boy thing is a result of the recent TRA/new-conservatism craze for very superficial markers of 'gender roles' because growing up I don't remember clothes being considered nearly as important as 'signals' of your 'gender identity' or whatever. I had conservative catholic family in my eastern european shithole who would let me wear full outfits of boys clothes everywhere except to Mass and they didn't see anything strange about it. I think troonism actually led to the resurgence of these really superficial aspects of clothing/makeup being considered a signal or marker of your 'gender.'

On the other hand I think being extremely concerned with appearance and presentation has been a 'feminine' gender role for quite a while, but not to the extent of some specific garment or color being the deciding factor.

No. 2033363

>>2033361
Yeah because boys wearing dresses is and has been considered extremely verboten and 'GNC' but girls having short hair or wearing pants is not and has not since at least the 60s or 70s.

No. 2033365

I think these things are never so cut-and-dry because girls and boys are considered GNC for a number of reasons but the screenshot brought up a pretty good point imo that a lot of the girls who later became TIFs had behaviours that were reasonably in line with what are typically considered 'feminine' gender roles, meaning obsessive attention to appearance/style, more female-typical or gender-neutral interests, and susceptibility to female-typical forms of mental illness like ED whereas a lot of girls who were more overtly displaying signs of what are typically considered 'masculine' attitudes and behaviours often were not the ones to troon out (i.e. the type of tomboy less interested in appearance standards, more likely to engage in male-typical interests, and although it wasn't mentioned in the screenshot I would add also male-stereotyped behaviour or personality traits). Like for example you see way fewer TIFs in STEM fields or trades while you see a huge number of them in mostly-female career fields like humanities/arts. I know they exist but I have never met a TIF who was ever into sports while I met many who were into extremely female-dominant hobby communities like knitting and dollmaking.

No. 2033373

File: 1717402459255.png (137.1 KB, 959x636, 1673003680819.png)

Relevantly:
("thinspo" for tifs)

No. 2033585

>>2032873
KEK love that story of you two gigastacies, nonna!

No. 2033607

File: 1717417701001.jpeg (240.31 KB, 736x736, IMG_1322.jpeg)

I have two trannies in my workplace and many more that frequent, they all grow their hair long and think long hair is the epitome of womanhood. I kind of want to get a short cut like pic rel so I can send them into a dysphoric spiral. My hair is pretty bleach damaged anyway so it’s pretty tempting to chop it all off

No. 2033610

>>2033607
Do it! If you need a haircut get one that makes them seethe.

No. 2033611

>>2033607
That's still a "woman's haircut" though.

No. 2033614

>>2033611
You're missing the point here. Any trannoid trying this would look like a scrote that never got rid of his teen boy haircut, that's why they keep it long since thats uwu so undoubtedly feminine and they won't get misgendered. Meanwhile any nonna could go bald and still look like what she is, a woman lmao.Same thing with troons wearing short skirts etc and a woman in massive men's dresspants still look feminine.

No. 2033620

>>2032867
>Is curating your aesthetic a gender conforming thing necessarily though?
Is the multibillion dollar industry of fashion and makeup mostly aimed at men or women anon? There are about 50 emo girls for every emo boy. They exist, but males are far less likely to make their fashion into an identity they center their lives around the way girls do.
I've to this day never seen a single boy who wears "tomboy fashion" the way "aesthetic tomboys" do. But the "behavioural tomboys" often wear the same boy fashion as the actual boys around them, because it's what available.

You can argue emo, punk or whatever other style is GNC by default for not fitting into some kind of frilly dress stereotype, but the behaviour is exactly the same and way more conforming than girls who have little interest in fashion at all and just wear basic clothes. They just target a small sub-fashion group community instead of society at large, but they're filling the exact same role.

No. 2033622

>>2033607
I work with a TIM and I got my hair cut even shorter than that picture, and I love mogging him by showing up to work with short hair, slacks, and no makeup and still being obviously female. Meanwhile he has to spend an hour every morning putting on a full face of makeup (after he already spends an hour dilating his neovag kek) and people in his ghetto neighborhood still harass him on the way to work for being a shemale.

No. 2033628

File: 1717420024337.jpeg (152.42 KB, 736x903, IMG_1105.jpeg)

>>2033611
you don’t need a buzzcut, they’ll still freak out over any short cut because they know they’d still never pass.

No. 2033636

5'10"ish tifs are uncanny for some reason

No. 2033645

>>2033636
Ngl I’ve never seen or met a tif that was over 5’5”. Do the taller ones “pass” better?

No. 2033665

>>2033645
I know one IRL that's like 5'9". She does not.

No. 2033668

File: 1717422170814.png (121.03 KB, 722x691, lol.png)

https://medium.com/@jencoates/i-am-a-transwoman-i-am-in-the-closet-i-am-not-coming-out-4c2dd1907e42
Came across this today and wanted to share it because it's such a good example of what goes on the minds of creepy/entitled gendie men who are way too into 'feminism'. I read it when it first circulated but i'd forgotten how whiny it is.
There are things i agree with, like hating shallow misandry, disagreeing with 'femininity good masculinity bad' (this drives so much of gendie logic) etc.
What's mind-boggling is the extreme hypocrisy dripping from every line. This is clearly a man who's comfortable enough in his manhood to keep his fetish compartmentalized, content to indulge in AGP on certain occasions, yet he is crying about how women are basically awful for treating him like a man when he is one, looks like one, presents as one etc.
My favorite part is him highlighting how tragic and unjust it is when people assume he can't speak on femininity, when the examples he brings up are: wishing he was a girl (AGP), stealing his sister's costume and getting a high from it (AGP) and liking girl cartoons (hardly feminine, every man into anime recalls something similar). It becomes even more absurd when you contrast it with self reports from HSTS TiMs or feminine gay men reflecting on their childhood. He has no idea what it's like to grow up as a girl or even as a 'feminine boy'. He wants all the advantages of classic manhood, to defend his sex (the whole 'boys c-can be good actually' thing) without the transparency that comes with it. A healthier man would distance himself from campus libfems and even come to hate feminism, but that entails a certain level of honesty about who you are and what your kind does. Honesty is hard for AGP moids because they have to constantly lie to themselves about the reality of their fetish, so they don't realize how retarded they sound when complaining about misandry while claiming womanhood. This is why they're never thankful for handmaidens groveling for them, any hint of understanding of 'men' as a group/caste is already too much for their fragile self-conception.

>>2032825
>>2032870
This is spot on. I was a mix of both types (uncaring with some girly hobbies). I never reached TiF-levels of obsession with my appearance but being around so many TiFs was anxiety-inducing, since anxiety is contagious. I didn't care about my clothes or 'identity' but seeing them agonize over it so much was irritating, it was a constant reminder of things i'd overcome like dysmorphia. It's weird but i was way less neurotic about style before the trans craze, i think we all brushed off appearance policing as retarded/un-feminist/bothersome, something that annoying older women imposed on us. But having a bunch of girls who are similar to yourself be psychotically obsessed with looks and how it relates to their core in a novel way was strange. Before that, sporting a boyish look was a fun thing, something that was both pleasing and comfortable, a nice way to signal interest for girls. As troon mania progressed, GNC style was 'poisoned' with the same logic i rejected in my early teens. I still dressed comfy and rather boyish but it wasn't the total retreat from 'how you look' (in favor of 'what you do/think') it once was. I was very aware of the 'poisoning' as it progressed and was very bothered by it, but everywhere i looked i was surrounded by weirdly girly neurotic TiFs. Sorry for the blogpost, no1currs but i'm sure many of you relate. I even think girly TiFs relate, it's pretty obvious to me they would have been much less feminine in their concerns and selfhood had they not come across trans identity, ironically. I've seen this weird paradox happen to TiFs and enbies over and over again

No. 2033682

>>2020800
I am of the belief that sexuality of any kind is something that is influenced by both nature and nurture. I agree with the gay uncle hypothesis (people who do not have children may still increase the prevalence of their family's genes in future generations by providing resources to the children of their closest relatives), while also believing that it is possible to Pavlov someone into finding certain parts such as breasts, vaginas, penises etc attractive and get turned on upon viewing or thinking about them. The second one would be significantly harder to do but it is not impossible. It’s important to remember that genetic change in a species doesn’t have to be positively adaptive to end up being wide-spread, so homosexuality could end up being widespread without necessarily being beneficial in recreation. By the way I am not saying that homosexuality is morally wrong or inferior.
Though, a useful hypothesis regarding human sexuality will have to account for all human sexualities. So far, Jenny Graves' theory does this fairly well. Graves argues for re-framing the discussion around sexual attraction and genes in terms of which sex you prefer rather than same- or other-sex attraction. Her argument comes out of balanced polymorphism (expressed alleles can be advantageous enough in one circumstance to be selected for even if they are a disadvantage in other circumstances) and the specific balanced polymorphism category known as sexually antagonistic genes (genes that help one sex but not the other). In simpler terms, Graves’ model suggests that the male Kinsey-0 person and the female Kinsey-6 person are both alike in that their bodies have expressed female alleles to a huge degree compared to the extent they’ve expressed male alleles. Now what qualifies as male and female here doesn't solely have to do with reproductive organs but also secondary sexual characteristics, so someone attracted to a woman who has secondary sexual characteristics that are more commonly found in men, doesn't only expresses female alleles but a combination of both male and female. While a person who is attracted to women with many female secondary sexual characteristics expresses mostly female alleles.

No. 2033738

File: 1717425078188.jpg (181.44 KB, 1080x1362, Screenshot_20240603_162554_Ins…)

Why are they like this…
An ad for woxers popped up (womens boxer shorts/underwear basically) and of course some of the comments were shit like this.

No. 2033748

>>2033682
The Jenny Graves theory makes sense. Straight women have more in common with gay males than they do with straight males. Lesbians and fags are both homo but are opposites. Lesbians try their best to support fags but faghags are mostly dumb straight women. Bonding over chasing scrotes is obviously more important to fags. I'm straight but never intested in men outside of wanking to them and my only friend is a lesbian (?) I suspect she's a Kinsey 6 or maybe 5. I try not to bother her with my weird horny stuff and we get along well. Who you date has more influence on your social life than what you are. You will never fit in with other straight women without a Nigel or an interest in hearing about their Nigels. They'd ditch you for a rupaul type in a blink.

No. 2033768

File: 1717427044642.png (702.32 KB, 960x882, guys who wanna fuck 2b.png)

>favourite hot tumblr tomboy lesbian is now injecting T
fuck this tranny earth she is just another cog in the insurance machine now and worse she's gonna be balding and toothless by 35. Literally the ugly male pysop equivalent for lesbisexual women. PAIN.

No. 2033790

>>2033768
Who is it, nona?

No. 2033797

>>2033738
Comment on the video and say something like "man it's so nice that these exist, these are great for preventing creepy men from looking up my skirt".

No. 2033864

File: 1717431931538.jpg (93.28 KB, 666x1000, 71YTcfqjEuL._AC_UF1000,1000_QL…)

>Find artist/gamedev creating colorful cats/wolves/dragons/dinosaurs
>"This is 100% a TIF"
>Click profile
>Top surgery update!
Every time. Why did all the cool nerd girls into art and animals troon out

No. 2033891

>>2033768
so many popular tumblr lesbians of yore ended up becoming troons, and it's very transparent that it's a result of being chronically online and being addicted to social media asspats. when the likes begin to dwindle too much for their tastes, the need for acceptance and validation drives them towards the coddling tranny cult.

No. 2034035

>>2033682
>while also believing that it is possible to Pavlov someone into finding certain parts such as breasts, vaginas, penises etc attractive and get turned on upon viewing or thinking about them. The second one would be significantly harder to do but it is not impossible.

The act of “conditioning” a homosexual’s sexuality to be heterosexual has been done for literal ages and has never worked, it has been only shown to change their identity. That’s why every gay man post conversion therapy looks like a sad husk of his former self. It’s TRA thinking. Nobody can condition one to like a certain kind of genitalia, it quite literally only depends on the person themselves and what they like at the time. However, I agree with everything else you’re saying.

No. 2034052

>>2033363
This is because male is seen as the default while female is seen as a modified version of the default. It's why Disney will show male animal characters looking like regular cartoon animals and the female version is pink with bows and boob-coded chest fluff. It's why a woman can dress as a man but a man can't dress as a woman, "femanine" is an artifical modifier women are encouraged to adopt.

>>2034035
A lot of autistic women are tomboys cause women's clothes aren't usually sensory friendly, it's usually fitted tighter, + I think socially conditioning "you are girl therefore you like pink and make up" doesn't work as well on autistic women. It just sucks not subscribing to female conditioning used to make you a subgenre of women "tomboy" but now selling shit like aesthetics and make up and skincare to women has gone so far to make womanhood into a thing you have to buy/perform that if you have no interest in it you should question if you're really even a woman

No. 2034177

>>2034035
I don't think changing sexuality is possible but it may be possible to make a person respond to certain stimuli with arousal. I think it's easier for somebody to begin liking something rather than stop liking something. And that can be proven with addictions and fetishes alike. Addictions are more straightforward in how they function. If a person starts smoking, it becomes easier to start again even after stopping for a long period of time because connections have already been made. If you start doing something it's easier to repeat it again as the brain strives on habit. Some people are more prone to being addicted than others. Everyone can be but it depends on genetics too. Fetishes develop in a different way. Just like memories, the connections aren't always clear. You don't see A and your brain associates it with A. You see A and your brain associates it with C D O P D C. It wouldn't be possible to turn gay people straight or straight people gay but maybe they could be turned bisexual.
Also I'm just saying stuff here. It's not like I want this to happen. And it's not like I am correct. I might be wrong like all people are sometimes. There's no way that my first hypothesis (that it's nurture as well) will ever be tested morally and even if it is, it could be later used to harm homosexual people so it's much more preferable to see homosexuality as something you're born with. People above science always.
>>2034052
Wrong reply?

No. 2034212

>>2033668
Gosh I wonder why women would 'like and trust' TIMs less if they just came right out with their MRA/inceloid views about how much they actually identify with and support other men and can't empathize or sympathize with women. TIMs know they have to fake solidarity with actual women for women to trust them at all (and still the only women that trust them are usually the naive and innocent ones). Yeah of course if you admitted that you just 'coveted' dresses/your mom's underwear but actually think women are 'mean' for outing okc creeps and identify with the creeps more, women will 'trust' you less. That should be blindingly obvious. And it is, that's why these men LARP as woman-aligned when they're always 100% male-aligned.

Regarding the second part of your post yeah I relate a lot to what you're saying about the gender shit actually making me more self conscious and insecure about my appearance. I dressed in largely boyish/unisex clothes throughout childhood and tween age, then in my teens I switched to dressing hyperfeminine for social reasons and by the time I hit late high school I had stopped caring and was back to just a personal mix of style that was more about comfort and what I aesthetically liked than trying to project a specific 'gendered' image. I'm a younger millennial and the queer/gendie shit really hit around college in society and I just remember so many situations where friends felt the need to literally sit me down and 'call me out' on how I presented, telling me that I have a masculine personality, career path and interests so therefore it's 'confusing' and 'confused' for me to like skirts, dresses, printed clothing, or have long natural hair. This was all news to me because I always had super long hair my entire childhood and people would still call me masculine/boyish/a tomboy no problem, but suddenly around 20yo it was such a big problem people needed to 'sit down and have a talk' with me. I started not liking my 'curvy' (not fat, just boobs/hips) body because other people were critical of how my body looked too 'feminine' for my 'personality' and people suggested binding to me when I just said these are the clothes that fit my body type and look good on me. Like having expressed no genderfeels at all. It was incredibly jarring and made me incredibly self-conscious even though I had already worked through all my issues about 'gender typical clothing' years earlier because people couldn't stop pointing out how they felt my appearance was incongruous somehow. It was all so entirely unnecessary. Sorry for blog also.

No. 2034226

>>2033682
I've never heard of Jenny Graves' theory and I would have to read more about it to understand what it is since I don't quite get your explanation. Regarding the nature/nurture thing though I do think there is some extent you can be 'pavlov'd' (that's too simplistic but basically) both into and out of attraction for a certain sex because I think or feel that's what I experienced myself. I also have an aunt who is in a lesbian marriage with her former best friend, although she believed she was straight her whole life. She ended up bonding really strongly with a woman she lived and worked with and she was of an age where she wasn't really looking for boyfriends anymore and I know that she started sleeping with the woman she married (they initially married for green card reasons) and they seemed like a 'lovey dovey' couple to me, but she still expresses that she thinks she's really straight and although she enjoyed sex with her wife it also makes her kind of uncomfortable because she doesn't think she's 'really' lesbian. She may say this to us to some degree because a lot of my family is very homophobic (their marriage is a secret to most of the family but even the people like my mom who know are pretty rabid homophobes just not as rabid as the rest of the family), but I also know she told her wife the same things and they had conflicts over it because her wife (who also identified as straight most of her life) doesn't feel the same way. You could say this is just some weird form of bisexuality but I'm not sure, she spent her life until age 40-something 100% sure she was straight, and still thinks she's straight even though she felt somewhat 'attracted' to her wife after living together a long time.

No. 2034233

>>2033707
You can't really blame butches for having mental illness when being a butch who accepts/is happy with her true sex is so incredibly stigmatized in modern Western society. I think actual butch lesbians who aren't some form of TIF are probably the most hated and stigmatized sexual minority on the planet right now. I would develop mental issues from that too - everywhere you go you're misgendered, everywhere you go people question if your sexuality is even 'real,' you're considered 'ugly' by mainstream society, asked why you don't just transition if you want to look masculine, etc. Also some of the sexual partners or dating partners who are potentially attracted to you encourage you to troon out (this happened to a close friend who is a butch lesbian) because they're bi girls who 'prefer' men/masculinity or so they claim. Also lots of butches end up in relationships with other lesbians who troon out, and then trooning out together becomes like a bonding experience or something.

No. 2034234

>>2033738
Isn't a 'women's boxer' already as 'gender' neutral as it gets? It's just a boxer short style cut for the female body no?

No. 2034240

>>2033748
Oh I'm the anon from above who said I didn't understand the Jenny Graves theory but if this is what she's saying it socially makes sense. I am still unclear on the evidence behind 'male' and 'female' alleles though. Women don't have any 'male' alleles since they have only X chromosomes. Does she just mean alleles associated with more male-typical or female-typical attractions or behavior? To my knowledge those haven't really been identified, but I can see how it might be a viable working theory although calling an allele on the X chromosome a 'male' allele seems silly to me.

From a social perspective though I agree, and always find it funny when lesbians and gay men are supposed to have some great level of 'solidarity' with each other when they have basically opposite behavioural traits especially when it comes to attraction and relationships. Like what are women who have no interest in men supposed to bond with men who have no interest in women about? Only the stigma around same-sex attraction itself but that's more of a political thing. Even as a primarily female-attracted bisexual I dropped a lot of female friendships out of sheer frustration at the amount of 'nigel bonding' I was expected to do.

No. 2034244

>>2034035
I think forcibly conditioning sexuality on adults doesn't work, but I think conditioning that happens naturally over the course of adolescence actually may work and sometimes does work. This isn't like someone telling you to like dicks kind of conditioning, but I think sometimes people are able to condition themselves to like something or are conditioned by trauma not to like something they previously liked. I think most people's sexuality is pretty settled by late adolescence but prior to that I definitely think it's possible, not externally/by force though but if it happens in your own mind.

>>2034052
AYRT (first one) and I know that's why, but it doesn't change the fact that being appearance-obsessed is an extremely female-socialized thing that is typical of girls who had girlhoods, and not typical of boyhood at all. Being obsessed with your aesthetic and hyperspecific about your looks and fashion as a tween or teen is a very female-typical behaviour or mental trait even if what you like is short hair and expertly styled 'tomboy' fashion. The fact that boys are more stigmatized for wearing skirts/dresses doesn't detract from this and imo it's a separate issue.

NTAYRT (second post) but I actually think that women with typically 'feminine' bodies usually find male clothes more uncomfortable. The pants don't fit right, the shirts don't fit right and they tend to be made of stiffer fabrics that are movement-unfriendly if you have bigger hips or boobs. I went from rarely wearing skirts/dresses as a preteen to literally never wearing pants (except sweats/PJ pants) in adulthood because they are just too physically restrictive and uncomfortable on my body type.

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TRAs genuinely don’t know what the fuck they’re talking abt kek
Their British and Brazilian strawman are based tho. The American one is bullshit because while I have met shotacon terfs they’re far and few inbetween and terfs are some of the most fiercely anti-pedophilia people I’ve met. I have also never seen a Holocaust denier terf ever

No. 2034463

>>2034437
None of these retards remember what the RF in terf stand for

No. 2034488

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>>2034437
Shotacon lesbians?

No. 2034505

>>2034488
>female lesbian minors with a shota kink
okay….

No. 2034508

>>2034437
>>2034488
where are these people finding shotafag terfs? it feels like they aer projecting their loli fantasies onto women

No. 2034511

>>2034508
More importantly where are they finding shotafag lesbians lmfao

No. 2034522

>>2034437
>>2034488
what the fuck is this faggot talking about

No. 2034534

What do you nonnas do if you've ever had a gender issue? Like, I remember one time when I was a teen I almost went down the ftm hell hole and went by he/him for a bit, until I realized I fucking hated it. Whenever I can make a character in a video game too, I'm always a girl. However, sometimes I think I'm just too masculine compared to other women and sometimes it makes me kinda sad and feel inferior. Like, in terms of mannerisms and surface level I'm very feminine but I have such masculine interests and sometimes my way of talking seeps into it too. How do you nonnas deal with being that weird in between when you're not a troon, happy being a woman but also not feminine enough or whatever?

No. 2034536

I just went to the ren faire yesterday and the sheer amount of huge, tall men with huge hands wearing those ren faire dresses with brightly dyed hair and sparkling makeup and fairy wings was staggering

No. 2034548

>>2034534
Just look in the mirror and say “it is what it is”. Self acceptance is hard but it’s ultimately the most healthy thing to do in the long run, and it’s cheaper than hormones and cosmetic surgery. I wish that I had been born in Japan - I feel more aligned with Japanese culture because I like anime, and lolita clothes, and I wish I could eat Japanese food every day (like I wish I had a Japanese 7/11 on my block). But I’m not Japanese and I will never be, so I just need to accept myself as a weeb and appreciate the things about the country I was born in. If you were born with XX chromosomes then by default anything you do is something a woman does, anything you think is something a woman thinks, any way you act is the way a woman acts. So if you want to have short hair and wear pants and play sports and video games and fix cars then do it. If anyone tells you you’re bad for being unfeminine, the problem is with them and not you.

No. 2034551

>>2034534
Never have, never will. Anything and everything that a woman does inherently feminine because a woman's doing it. "gendered" interest and speech are all arbitrary nonsense. Cooking is often considered highly feminine but do you think Gordon Ramsey's a girl?

No. 2034563

>>2034534
you are part of the problem

No. 2034565

>>2032825
Nonny I love this post/discussion. It put into words a lot of thoughts I had occasionally. It also made me reflect on myself (former tif). I was somewhere between the two types; I didn't care, and as I have grown up, the lack of caring has led to me being increasingly GNC in apparel too, because a lot of my more feminine apparel was gifts and purchases from family that I wore because I "had to". The tangled hair made me smile cause my hair was a rat's nest until I cut it-because short hair is very low maintenance so i can care even less-, and I had never seen this type of tomboy described so eloquently. I crossdress nearly full time now, but it's because men's clothes are simply more comfortable, easier to match, made of better materials, and have pockets. they don't always fit well, and you have to make sure they fit. I have seen some women say their body type does not permit it at all, like pants waistlines not fitting whatsoever, I suppose I'm lucky in that regard.

But I had a "fembrained tomboy" childhood pal. We both had nerdy interests but she was the fujo of both of us. Something that really stood out to me was how often she would verbally brag when an article of clothing she was wearing was from the men's section because not only was this less frequent from, but I never brought attention to it. It just kinda came naturally. She's far more feminine now, but also a themlet. We don't talk anymore.

I see more women like her troon out than me. I credit traditionalist third world upbringing for making me want to trans. My not caring made peers and authority figures see me as a failed woman, and the rest was a dysfunctional coping mechanism. As I have tried to wear "feminine" clothing I realize I truly do not like it because it's a sensory nightmare.

I ended up blogging but thank you for sharing this screencap nonita. the lolcor gender threads are a great tool to reflect. I've loved reading the other replies to your post too.

No. 2034567

>>2034534
outside of self acceptance like the other nonas said, I've found it very helpful to seek friend groups with women who don't push you toward femininity or alienate you for your mannerisms. It's easier said than done, obviously, but not impossible. Seeing other people like you makes the loneliness less crushing or pervasive.

You can't fail at being a woman, that's how you were born. All you do is done as a woman and by that metric it's enough. And don't be afraid to push back and question when you get pressured, that scares people and they stop doing it kek

No. 2034570

>>2034534
There is no such thing as 'too masculine compared to other girls.' You are part of the beautiful and wonderful diversity of girls/women who are all individuals and are not prone to be disgusting rape apes so you are blessed. I relate to you because I 'look' feminine but I have masculine interests and personality traits (and outside of lolcow everyone assumes I am male on the internet due to my typing style) and I just embrace it because I'm myself, an individual. There is nothing wrong with being a woman who has individuality. Femininity is mostly a construct, mostly devised to suppress and oppress and subjugate women, but to the extent that there is 'natural' femininity all women are naturally feminine. We all move in a way that is feminine, we all have feminine bodies, we are all feminine in natural ways because we are female. Decouple your thinking from socially imposed ideas of 'femininity' which are just ways moids have devised to subjugate women, like 'femininity is being demure and subservient' or 'femininity is being extremely self-conscious about appearance and social conduct.' Fuck that.

No. 2034578

>>2034565
I'm glad u appreciated this post too nonna (NTAYRT) because it also really crystallized a lot of my discomfort with modern discussions of 'tomboys' and being 'GNC.' I was always trying to get at this point in discussions with friends but couldn't quite put my finger on what was bothering me exactly and this is it. I don't even relate to looking/dressing masculine but at least 50% or more of the tops I own are from the men's section because they're just comfier and higher quality, even though I am super curvy men's loose sweaters and shirts, tees etc. fit me fine. The funny thing is when I point out to people that I haven't worn pants out in 10+ years they're like 'really?' because no one associates my style with hyperfemininity even though I always wear skirts, it's literally just some arbitrary shit people don't even pick up on unless you're actively trying to signal something.

No. 2034579

>>2034567
Very good point anon I think the 'failed woman' rhetoric really needs to retire and I think moids introduced this vocabulary into the discussion in the first place. You can't 'fail' at being female if you are female, you just are. You can fail to achieve your personal goals, you can fail a course in school, you can fail to win a sports tournament, but you can't 'fail' to exist as a woman if you are a woman.

No. 2034669

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It's not just aesthetics that are constructed, either. Personalities and interests are too, but it's harder to fake. There are certain male social categories that are easier for the feminine socialised girl to recreate, actively effeminate gayish types, and androgynous geek types. As a fEmBrAiNeD tomboy trying to larp as a nerdy boy I gravitated to non-competitive video games and to fandoms, rather than military history and sorting algorithms as the boys I skinwalked were. IMO this is because we start out with some unknown level of innate sex differences- videospatial/movement/competitive/system-oriented masculine phenotype and language/empathetic/social-oriented feminine phenotype. Then we undergo socialisation that exaggerates that sexual dimorphism and throws in a number of totally cultural associations as well. So I hadn't been socially primed and possibly not neurologically inclined towards such interests.

Also here is a totally anecdotal possibly bullshit theory- much like men like to complain that the lack of a manly father figure is emasculating western boys, do you think it does the same to girls? I say that because my own father is a sensitive type who talks about his feelings at length, obsessed with other's approval, an ideological conformist, at the bottom end of the male social hierarchy, and so on.

No. 2034683

>>2034669
my fellow female history military autists exist, but we all just larp as men online because no one wants to deal with military moid autists who just want a wifu into their hobbies

No. 2034688

>>2034683
>my fellow female history military autists exist
Kek marry me, nonna. I have such stereotypically “male” hobbies, but I’m not even that masc presenting. I think I feel the need to conform appearance-wise because my interests make me feel like an outsider among women sometimes

No. 2034697

>>2034688
i genuinely have no idea what masc presenting means. I have long hair but wear pants and dont shave so i guess i must be masc presenting uguu.

No. 2034703

>>2034683
im so tired of everyone acting like military history is a moid thing. ive been into it since i could read.

No. 2034706

>>2034703
This. I talked about aircrafts with my friend's grandmother the other day. It's more common than it seems, its just that most women into it hide it or arent chris chan levels of autistic about it.

No. 2034710

>>2034683
>>2034688
>>2034703
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying it's for men, I'm mostly talking about my own experience as a former girly girl failing to be masculine.

No. 2034729

>>2032825
Me as a kid/teen vs. me now

No. 2034732

>>2034729
Me also.

No. 2034778

>>2034669
Idk anon but I always had what other people perceived as a hypermasculine personality and interests. I know I received female socialization and I relate to a lot of common 'memes' about female socialization but I still think a lot of it didn't really 'take.' And my personal experience is I had a very involved mother and an emotionally disengaged autistic father who can't emotionally connect with me, but was willing to always spend time with me sperging about physics or geology or some shit, but I feel less close to him than most of my friends. I never deliberately skinwalked any boy and hated boys for most of my childhood/adolescence, I didn't even grow up around boys, but I still 'naturally' developed mostly 'masculine' interests, 'masculine' career goals, 'masculine' affect and a 'masculine' personality. I think sometimes it just is that you are who you are and your personality is what it is. Some people have stronger personalities than others and will resist common 'socialization' more, others are more sensitive to social cues and will therefore be able to resist it less. I know visual/spatial differences are supposed to be the one Confirmed difference between male brain and female brain but my physics AP teacher made us do the dental aptitude test once, told us up front 'girls are like way way way way worse than this than boys are so girls don't worry that you suck,' I wasn't even in the top half of students in that class and I got the top dental aptitude test score he ever got in any of his classes. I don't think that has shit to do with socialization and I don't think it makes me 'male brained.' I don't have a 'male' phenotype. I just think people are diverse and some people are more 'convinced' by stereotype threat and subliminal or overt social cues than others. Sorry for blog.

No. 2034787

>>2034683
Whenever I am in male-dominant spaces on the internet I don't mention being female and no one asks, win/win. Don't have to actively larp as a moid, no moid will ever ask.

No. 2034867

>>2034778
I'm not talking about all women or about women like you, I'm talking about emotionally weak women like myself who were born with a feminine brain and susceptibility to socialisation. This is in the context of >>2032825

No. 2034947

>>2034867
I think it's kind of self-defeating to characterize 'feminine brain' as 'emotionally weak.' Everyone just has to try to find strength within themselves to own their own personality and character. Everyone is susceptible to socialization to some degree but you are also born with the cognitive resources to avoid being ruled by that socialization and live your own life.

No. 2034954

A TIM might coop this discussion, nonas…

No. 2034959

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>>2034954
>coop

what

No. 2034960

>>2032873
Incredibly based.

>>2033362
Yeah, there are TIFs who say that their conservative parents won’t let them have short hair or be masculine. Maybe I just have a chill family, but when I cut my hair short a few years ago, my Christian Republican relatives complimented it, and they don’t seem to have any problem with me being less feminine. As other anons have said before, a lot of rural conservative women are extremely tomboyish themselves.

>the whole dresses/pink = girl, no dress/blue = boy thing is a result of the recent TRA/new-conservatism craze

I think a big part of it is capitalism taking advantage of the trans trend. Someone in a YouTube comment section pointed out that while so many gendies claim to be socialist/Marxist, their entire identities are based around consumerism: gendered clothes, haircuts, etc. The whole movement is capitalism taken to the extreme.

>>2033365
>never met a TIF who was ever into sports
Audrey Hale

>>2034669
>sorting algorithms
KEK that’s such a random example, but it reminds me of a TIM I met who was into sorting algorithms.

No. 2034963

>>2034959
Co-opt is my guess.

No. 2034978

>>2034960
Nonna I agree, I'm from a conservative religious culture and shit like short hair or 'tomboyish' clothes/interests was super normal in my culture. Both my parents and my extended family didn't think it was weird to have tomboyish clothing or behaviour. Actually I got shit talked by my conservative tradcath farming family for climbing a tree to show up my male cousins once, because I climbed the tree in a dress and they were like 'oh no you'll rip your dress, why don't you put on some coveralls or something!' Not because they thought the tree climbing to show up my male relatives was weird, but because they don't wear dresses on the farm.

I agree with you also about capitalism taking advantage of the trans trend. It used to be that even opposite sex siblings could wear each other's hand-me-downs when they were just t-shirts or simple sweaters or jackets, even jeans could be unisex for children that hadn't developed hips yet. But now if you have a son and then a daughter two years later you need to buy a whole new wardrobe for the daughter because god forbid boys and girls both wear the same colored t-shirt or something. I've had family friends with younger kids literally say they can't get their daughter to wear anything that is NOT pink or doesn't have Elsa from frozen on it. It's a total corpocap psyop at this point.

No. 2035018

>>2034867
"feminine brain" ok tranny

No. 2035023

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>>2034954
>>2034959
I know what it feels like. I once saw a tranny cashier at my local Co-op.

No. 2035024

>>2035018
To be more charitable to that anon I would assume she just means that she found female socialization extremely strong and effective, but still idk. For centuries women who have been 'female socialized' just like any other girl grow up to be women who resist or don't meet gender stereotypes, even if they're trying. And by the same token you have many men with their 'strong' (I guess?) male brains who completely fall for their male socialization even when it is harmful to them.

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The "gender spectrum"

No. 2035069

>>2034960
>>2034978
My conservative family is against it, so much that they shittalk about women they personally know with short hair. They think it's exclusively a lesbian thing and also because of some quote in the bible about how valuable a woman's hair is or something, idk what it was. When I tried cutting mine once (not even short, it was still long just not waist level and styled exactly the same as I usually wore it) my parents went berserk, like yelling about it and threatening to hide all the scissors in the house kek. My family isn't rural and never lived on a farm so maybe that's why they're different about it.

No. 2035071

>>2035069
Huh I never even heard about that bible quote but I guess most of the women in my family aren't as tradcath as they think they are because it's a normal thing back home for them to have short hair, especially all the farmers. My grand-uncle's wife who was a 'famed beauty' in their farming village when they were young has had boy-short hair her whole life, so have several other female members of my family. It might just depend on the area you're from or the religious sect you're part of though.

No. 2035084

>>2035071
Mine were the type of Christians that speak in tongues (I forgot the exact name of this type) but also grew up in the north. Idgi either.

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No. 2035087

>>2035084
Oh Pentecostal? Lol yeah that's a very different sect than my family, who are like the hardcore type of traditional catholics from a probably 500-year uninterrupted genealogical line of devout catholics. I find it interesting that 'modern' schisms in Christianity (mostly ones concentrated in the US but regardless the sort of newer sects) are so much more likely to have these gendie trad beliefs than old ass versions of Christianity like traditional latin mass catholic communities or the greek/russian orthodox church. It might have something to do with newfangled American Christian sects wanting to 'set themselves apart' from old traditions and unironically falling further into weird conservative puritanism. Don't want to derail but I always think it's interesting how different the ideas of 'traditional femininity' are between different 'traditional' groups even of the same religion or general cultural background. That's how you can tell it's all bullshit though and there is nothing 'inherent' about most of these gender roles.

No. 2035089

>>2035085
>Hetero aro and ace people.
I want off this ride. I want to ask how these people can say (or type) these things with a straight face but I'm pretty sure they are serious which is just tragic.

Interesting how the framing of this really highlights how ridiculous it is though.
>Lesbians who became straight men
>Gay men who became straight women
This is so far into the realm of reality denial it almost feels like satire. Like imagine knowing someone in real life who super seriously tells you 'I belong at pride because I used to be a gay man but now I'm a straight woman' lmao. People used to do that shit because their family/government would try to kill or excommunicate them if they didn't 'turn straight,' now it's the new super woke and progressive cause.

No. 2035093

>>2035069
AYRT, sorry you have to deal with that. How do they feel about so many old ladies having short hair (is that not common in your area)? Do they go the other way and say that depictions of Jesus with long hair are too gay?

No. 2035123

>>2035087
>are so much more likely to have these gendie trad beliefs than old ass versions of Christianity like traditional latin mass catholic communities or the greek/russian orthodox church
The heretics are compensating and trying to be 'holier than the Pope' (whom they don't even recongise).

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>>2035085
honk honk

No. 2035175

>>2035069
My weirdo religious family wouldn’t allow cutting of any hair but they applied the rule to the boys too at least. It was just pure superstition not misogyny kek. Something about Samson. No shaving allowed either which was so funny because all us girls “rebelled” by secretly shaving our legs at some point (and then hiding it under socks and clothes anyway). In spite of my dad being a huge homophobe who said he would disown any gay child he had no problem with his sons being called fags for their long hair (that was the general backwards attitude where we were)

No. 2035201

>>2033362
>>2033363
i feel like i'm in the minority who did grow up in an environment where any non-(hyper)feminine appearance was judged. i'm also from a catholic conservative europoor shithole and growing up i remember getting singled out for wearing "boy colours" and having a bob cut. kids (and some adults) around me were very strict on gender roles for the first 14 or so years of my life. i can confirm it fucks you up and makes you troon out because your brain just can't comprehend not wearing skirts and still being a woman.

No. 2035205

>>2035201
Not to be weird but are you a zoomer or millennial or what? I feel like this extreme appearance standard came about more recently, but I guess I don't know every culture. I didn't even know 'boy colors' and 'girl colors' existed in my europoor shithole until I started going to school in a Western country and got Western friends. I mean I guess pink was mostly associated with girls, probably but there weren't 'boy colors' I don't think.

No. 2035216

>>2035205
zoomer, i remember this gender roles shit going back to kindergarten kek. i guess it was kind of worsened by the fact that up until high school gender segregation between students was the norm, if you were seen hanging out with a boy it was automatically assumed you were dating because male-female friendships just don't exist i guess?
as for the appearance standard, it feels kind of opposite for me, it's only recently that i've started seeing more women with shorter hair and boyish appearances. i do notice that yeah, gender roles have gotten stricter but in ways that are way different than what i grew up with.

No. 2035258

>>2034437
Kek this one is a personal lolcow of mine. There are a couple edgy shota pseudo-'lesbians' (fujo lesbians) on xitter but he inflates their numbers to deflect from the blatant pedo/autopedo problem in troons. You can criticize twitter TERFs but they're not a fetish interest group, unlike troons where you have a 1/3 chance of stumbling on a diaperfag/lolicon. It always comes down to denying obvious sex differences

>>2034669
True, i dislike fembrained/malebrained stuff because ultimately most people are a mix of both. There are trends like objects vs. people but even then, you can easily find women with typically 'people' interests (psychology, fashion as self-expression) who are very into sports or competitive gaming etc. It's a very infantile understanding of subtle sex differences. Often what distinguishes men from women is how they approach certain things and situations, not solely what they are interested in.
>do you think it does the same to girls?
Not sure, but i'm conviced that poor mother-daughter relations are at the heart of TiF identification. A seemingly 'weak' or distant father (the latter being extremely common) might accentuate this. Overall, overbearing/BPD/abusive mothers make it very hard to have a healthy female role model, on top of the very common tendency to demonize and never forgive one's mother.

>>2035201
Same, i still get shit for not having hair so long it touches my waist. Also europoor, parents freaked out when i was allowed to pick my clothes and started dressing like a skater boy. They even thought i was going to troon out (i was interested in feminist/gender theory) and tried to throw away my wardrobe before i explained i wasn't going to do it. Still makes me kek to this day because i was actually a TERF.
To comment on what >>2033362 said, i think things became rapidly hyper-gendered after the early 2000s. If you look at pictures of students in the 2010s, there are so many gender markers like heavy makeup, tight sexualized clothing, boys who look like mini-men, a general 'reality tv' aesthetic. This wasn't a thing in the 80s or 90s, most teens wore baggy comfy stuff with ugly non-haircuts. I'm 90% certain this has something to do with the explosion of troondom in young millenials/early zoomers. Now that the trend is starting to die down, we are seeing a revival of baggy styles and girls are going back to neutral-looking comfy clothes.

No. 2035365

>>2033362
Related I had a male friend in the past when I was a handmaiden that ended up trooning, so I jumped to try to help him. I tried to give some clothes and accessories, some of which were powder, baby blue, aqua, and he refused them because "blue is a masculine color". Regardless of shade. Just proved how black and white their autistic thinking is when it comes to gender roles, not to mention male inability to distinguish color

No. 2035455

>>2032825
When people say GNC they're referring to a plethora of things including behavior and appearance, mostly appearance. Overall it's not a checklist but rather a "what more of this quality you have than the other" so although the second girl was not GNC in caring about her appearance excessively, she was GNC in other ways. Both are gender non conforming, and in fact the second one is more GNC (if we are talking about an average set of behaviors), but the motivations differ.
First one is the type of person who cares more about practicality and does things because she wants to or because she likes to, second one relies on external feedback and does things not because she enjoys them (necessarily) but because she wants to be seen as doing that thing. Second one is disordered. There is always a cause for this, no matter how insignificant.
I guess the point shouldn't be that "TIFs are feminine in behavior" but "TIFs have problems".

No. 2035474

There's this desire, overall, to outmasculinize (for a lack of a better world) each other I noticed. Most replies are filled with personal anecdotes and experiences which, makes sense, it's the gender ideology vent- sorry, hate- thread. And it's a personal topic many can relate to, as they've been in these people's shoes or they have strong feelings about it for one reason or another. Rather than viewing this as masculine and feminine behavior, I choose to look at it as conforming vs non-conforming. Some people are proudly “outsiders” who value their own unusual perspectives and interests. There's many reasons for this too, which I won't get into, but it's what causes this desire to label these TIFs as feminine-brained whatever that is. And that's stupid in my opinion because we're all women so we're all feminine, but there's some behaviors who are more common than others.
There's nothing significant that separates people who become TIFs and those who don't. There are different reasons everytime but it can be summed up to this: There's a problem. This presents itself as a solution to a problem. Some people have chosen other solutions for theirs, some haven chosen this one. And because it looks like a solution it doesn't mean it always is.

No. 2035491

>>2032873
Nonna you're amazing

No. 2035507

>>2034688
>>2034787
i've always gravitated towards anonymous or psuedoanonymous online spaces precisely because i don't have to worry about my sex or appearance/styling being accounted for in conversations where it's totally irrelevant. i infinitely prefer being in female-dominated versus male-dominated anonymous spaces because of the difference in board/discussion culture, but those are few and far between. i spent too much of my youth on 4chan for its anonymity, and its gross moid culture colored my young psyche negatively for some time

>>2034683
>my fellow female history military autists exist
would really love a military action & history thread in /ot/

No. 2035521

>>2031668
Yes. I love being effortlessly feminine in hoodies and jeans and also being more masculine than most tifs because I’m too blunt and tistic to mine words. Feels good.

No. 2035535

>>2033668
I remember when Tumblr trannies posted this everywhere and called it "required reading" for "compassionate gender politics" and spent a good couple weeks handwringing over evil man hating lesbians I mean TMEs. And then a bunch of TIMs pushed back and said this guy had "internalized transmisogyny" for thinking he'd experienced a boyhood and told all the TIFs to stop posting it. All this discourse over a man whining about ~misandry~ kek

No. 2035597

>>2031668
A local cosplay troon came into the room I was in at a convention, even in the very woke weeb space everyone still assumed he was just a crossdressing man. The only tell was his she/her pin that everyone accidentally ignored because it turns out no one fucking reads those. He sub-tweeted angrily about being misgendered at the con afterwards kek

No. 2035812

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I just learned someone I interacted with very briefly in middle school is now a troon. They were super fucking weird about me and would harass our mutual friend who introduced us constantly about what I had been up to/ when I would hang out with them again/ etc.

Anyways I looked up photos and now he appears to be skinwalking me from middle school so… That's something I guess.

No. 2035817

>>2035455
I think it's more gender nonconforming to not care about your appearance than to have a 'tomboy aesthetic' personally, because I don't think gender conformity or nonconformity is mainly about looks at all, I think it is mainly about everything else. It's also been common for half a century now at least for women and girls to curate what this poster is calling a 'tomboy aesthetic' and was never really associated with masculinity until recently. Honestly obsession with appearance is one of the single most female stereotyped/gender conforming things you can possibly do and that's the whole point of 'feminine performance.' It's not to specifically get women to look one certain way (trends change) but to get women and girls distracted and obsessed by making them fixate on their appearance. The masculine norm isn't just wearing 'boy clothes' but not caring about clothes, this is how boys are freed up to enjoy themselves and focus on their lives while girls are raised constantly distracted by and made self conscious about beauty and fashion norms.

I think this is also a large part of why AGP men always look so badly styled, they don't internalize any messages directed at women about beauty, fashion, or standards of appearance. They just want the shallow trappings of femininity for the fetishistic aspects.

>>2035474
I agree that overall it's more about conformity in general than feminine or masculine traits. Personally I think whatever women do is feminine by default and whatever men do is masculine by default but I know that's not how most people use these words.

No. 2035984

>>2034534
I really wouldnt worry about it. Your interests dont make you feminine. You're a woman & thats enough.
I also have a lot of male hobbys (tabletop wargames, warcraft, deep esoteric football knowledge) but thats just the gay shit I like. It doesnt even make me 'me of the guys'

No. 2036141

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saw this in a coffee shop the other day. i wouldn’t say i’m surprised that they managed to make this about them, but i am almost surprised that they’re so bold to publicly declare that this is akshually about twans rights

No. 2036196

>>2036141
isn't it so deeply reflective of trans ideology that they think they can simply apply their "X is Y and if you don't agree you're a bigot" logic to everything else even when there is absolutely no basis for it

No. 2036260

>>2035474
About TIFs and seething when they get outmasculinized by another woman, there's also something worth noticing. Basically they would have a warped view of who 'deserves' to be masculine, i.e. it's the TIFs thenselves because 'only [they] want to be men'.

No. 2036337

>>2033362
>I actually think the whole dresses/pink = girl, no dress/blue = boy thing is a result of the recent TRA/new-conservatism craze
It is. I'm not surprised that troons have no clue about history, considering that they can't even get basic biology right. The Romans themselves used to make fun of Germanic tribes and Celts for wearing pants. They called them "brachatai" (braccae = "pants" in Latin), which was a derogatory term. They thought they were barbaric and even outlawed them. And according to Wikipedia (lol), "For the Romans, to encircle the legs and thighs with fasciae, or bands, was understood, in the time of Pompey and Horace, to be a proof of ill health and effeminacy."

No. 2036343

>>2036337
>effeminancy
I mean, I kind of get it? When you have your period you kind of need something to keep the blood from soaking everything, so it kind of makes sense that women should wear pants.

No. 2036356

>>2036343
AYRT, I think it was more like Roman soldiers calling the tribes they were fighting a bunch of gay fags.

No. 2036401

>>2036141
Did the coffee shop put this up themselves, or did some random person just tape it to the wall?

Also why couldn't they come up with something better than that ugly corporate art style

No. 2036403

>>2036141
Imagine being a palestinian muslim and seeing this shit kek

No. 2036438

The image tif with older sisters give is somewhat different but i cant pinpoint it

No. 2036449

>>2035817
>Personally I think whatever women do is feminine by default and whatever men do is masculine by default but I know that's not how most people use these words.
To me, feminine and masculine are just words that refer to the stereotypes associated with women and men, respectively. It makes no sense to me to think of women as 'inherently feminine' in everything they do, since otherwise the words make no sense as descriptors of sex stereotypes. You might as well use the words 'female' and 'male', respectively. As in, "women are female in everything they do." But that sounds stupid because of course women are female. If 'feminine' is to describe something else than just the property of being a member of the female sex, you can't define feminine as "everything and anything women do."

No. 2036458

>>2036449
what is feminine changes literally every year and depends on the culture. Its a retarded term that people are too obssesed with when it genuinely doesnt matter.

No. 2036460

>>2036438
Can you elaborate? I know a TIF with an older sister and want to see how accurate your observations are

No. 2036477

>>2036460
In the same way I know two tifs who are the older sister, to compare.

No. 2036484

>>2036449
You can either use the words feminine and masculine to describe 'sex stereotypes' or you can use them to describe things associated with the female and male sexes, respectively. Most modern discourse uses them to mean the former but I think it can be useful for women who have hangups about not being feminine enough to try to think about it as the latter. What you do is (of or related to the female sex) because you are female. All the rest is stereotypes, which conveniently change based on time period and location, sometimes extremely rapidly. There are lots of things that are naturally feminine that are not stereotypes, but we still call them feminine. For example, a feminine way of walking, or a feminine body. These do not refer to some patriarchal gender stereotype but to actual observable patterns and qualities related to how women look and move. In reality we sometimes conflate the two meanings and act like it's all the same thing, which is exactly what troons do (no, I have the female GENDER, because I FEEL like a woman, and it has nothing to do with a female body… which is why I need to get silicone implants right now and start taking female sex hormones!)

No. 2036493

>>2036484
I don't disagree, but to women who are insecure in their femininity, it's the sex stereotypes they are referring to, because as you say under the definition of femininity as femaleness, they already fit that description and it's not what their insecurity is with.

No. 2036496

>>2036460
I mean in some families, only the oldest daughter (if she is firstborn) are allowed to be GNC to a certain extent, if its the little sister it would be a taboo.

No. 2036497


No. 2036500

>>2036493
I know but that's why I'm saying it's useful to reframe your thinking, especially if you already are posting in threads like these saying you know your insecurity is harmful or pointless. You benefit not at all from fixating on ever-changing sex stereotypes invented by people you've never met that vary by culture and even social class, so why not reframe your thought processes and think, okay, I am already feminine because my body is feminine, my voice is feminine, my brain is feminine, my movements are feminine, and therefore I am feminine enough and there is nothing wrong with me just because my personality or fashion sense doesn't fully conform to modern trends. Which is all they are really, fleeting trends.

No. 2036505

Apparently some tif got banned on tumblr again and now the gendies are up in arms. I don't understand why they don't just all leave in droves if the staff is "siding with the terfs." Give me back my girlfail microblogging platform damn.

No. 2036510

>>2036484
>feminine way of walking, feminine body
Okay but this is the problem: there is no one feminine (female) body or inherently female way of walking. Some women walk very similarly to men, some women have relatively narrow hips and wide shoulders. They are female, yes, but they are often seen by others around them as 'unfeminine', either because of stereotypes or because they objectively resemble the average male in this specific respect. The stereotype of feminine is inaccurate, it doesn't even capture the average woman. Many of the qualities we think of as "feminine" are actually not more common for women, like for example the belief that women talk more. When measured in total minutes, it is men who talk more in group settings (supposedly because they feel more confident in taking space and expressing their opinions). I am not female because of the way I walk, because there is no one 'biologically female' way of walking. I am female because the anatomy of my reproductive organs is that which produces large gametes. Equating femininity with femaleness in the literal sense just leads to unnecessary fallacies. That is why I think it should be reserved as a descriptor of sex stereotypes.

No. 2036515

>>2036497
because little sisters are infantilized while especially in a family with no sons, the oldest sister is typically raised as the masculine woman. Imagine if a TIF is the little sister it ruins everything

No. 2036517

>>2036497
Why? It's similar to the older siblings getting married first thing

No. 2036518

>>2036510
There are objectively feminine (female) bodies which represent half of the world's population and are clearly distinct from objectively masculine bodies which represent the other half. No women walk similarly to men because women have a different pelvic tilt/angle and different walking mechanics. You can go look at a race Caster Semenya and Margaret Wambui were in and see how the males run relative to the females, even though they are all trained to run in a very similar way the males have a completely different runs than their female competitors. All females, no exceptions, have feminine walks and bodies naturally. Everyone except possibly a few faceblind autists can tell they are female on sight, usually within a few milliseconds and often even out of their peripheral vision. Female voices can be soft or loud low or high but they all have a feminine timbre and are basically all distinct from male voices.

I was talking about actual, natural femininity and you are saying that it isn't real by… giving examples of stereotypes that have no basis in reality like 'the stereotype that women talk more'? You are proving my point. These stereotypes are false and make no sense so why would women feel insecure that they don't fit them?

The word 'feminine' literally means 'of or relating to the female sex/gender' as well as 'displaying stereotypes associated with the female sex' so both definitions are equally real and true ones, the problem is the 'stereotypes' definition is pointless to compare yourself to because it is fleeting and meaningless.

No. 2036519

>>2036484
>There are lots of things that are naturally feminine that are not stereotypes, but we still call them feminine. For example, a feminine way of walking, or a feminine body.
NTA but what would be this "feminine way of walking" that is not determined by sex stereotypes? And the same for a "feminine" body - if these adjectives are not based on sex stereotypes, how can you say that a) a woman has an "unfeminine" way of walking or b) a woman has an "unfeminine" body? "Femininity" is 100% based on sex stereotypes. There is only one adjective here and that if female - of the female sex. Women have female bodies and female "ways of walking" determined by their female bodies. Women cannot possess an unfemale body, contrary to an "unfeminine" one (as determined by sex stereotypes).

No. 2036522

>>2036519
It's not a 'stereotype' that females walk differently than males in 100% of cases, it's just an objective fact determined by female physiology. A stereotype is a widely held oversimplification or generalization about a group that is not always true. It is always true that women walk in a specifically feminine way, i.e., in a way that is distinct from males and exclusive to females.

No. 2036523

>>2036518
But this is what I am literally trying to tell you; 'feminine' refers to the stereotype, 'female' refers to the sex. The first one is not inherent, the second one is. I don't get what you are trying to gain from claiming that feminine could in some contexts refer to an inherent quality (as in referring to a way of walking) and in other contexts not (as in a social setting).

No. 2036524

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>>2036519
I think this is a case of sexual dimorphism being exaggerated through socialisation. Women will walk differently due to their biology, and since heterosexual males find that attractive, it incentivises women to play it up which is how you get picrel.

No. 2036527

>>2036522
Indeed it is a fact, and thus that does not make it a "feminine" characteristic. It makes it a "female" one. Despite the dictionary definition of "feminine" also being a synonym for "female" (of or relating to the female sex) 99% of the time when it is used, it means the sex stereotypes associated with the female sex. Otherwise it wouldn't be possible (and common) to call women and their behaviour "unfeminine".

No. 2036535

>>2036523
If you choose to ignore that one of the (commonly used) dictionary definitions of 'feminine' is 'of or relating to the female sex' and insist that it isn't used by people (even though it is) then I guess you're right. If we ignore the meaning of 'feminine' that is about natural female characteristics and if we ignore the fact that people use the word 'feminine' to refer to natural female qualities all the time as in 'a feminine body' then we can indeed claim that the only other definition of 'feminine' is the one pertaining to false stereotypes.

I don't need to gain anything but I was saying that it is useful and beneficial to women who don't feel 'feminine' enough and therefore they feel like 'failed women' to remind themselves that they are perfectly fine women, who are naturally 'feminine' in the ways that actually pertain to being female in any real way. The way in which they 'aren't feminine' is just that they don't live up to temporary stereotypes that actually have nothing to do with being a woman except that someone somewhere decided they temporarily should be associated with women. What have you failed at exactly?

No. 2036536

>>2036519
A lot of behaviors are derived from our bodies physiology. A feminine way of walking is probably because women have a different center of gravity than men. Or feminine mannerisms being because women are more predisposed to act a certain way due to our biology. I do think a lot of this is also socialized but trannies will say that this completely bullshit and wrong to justify their shit

No. 2036537

>>2036515
Samefag
In a way this kind of TIF tend not to pass

No. 2036538

>>2036536
Females don't just walk differently because they have a different center of gravity, but also because they have a different pelvic angle so it is literally impossible for women to walk like a man. Physically, we can't, no matter how hard we try.

No. 2036539

>>2036517
In the same way being single hits everyone differently. Older siblings whom their younger sibs get married first will feel the first bang of injustice, followed by getting annoying comments by relatives who'd immediately assume they have a wife/husband and ask them how's their marriage life with the wife/husband.

No. 2036540

>>2036531
Alright, I see equating feminine with female (even if it's a dictionary definition) as just another fallacy, because they are different things. Maybe this is also because in my language the meanings are mapped differently, and the translation of feminine just means "resembling a woman" i.e., not inherently female.

Moreover, I disagree with your idea that women who have hang ups with their perceived unfemininity should start to think of their (culturally masculine) qualities as "actually feminine" because others are not going to agree. If my singing voice is literally in the tenor range, I'm not going to succeed at making others believe it is a feminine voice, however it is a female voice (I've never taken hormones, btw). A better solution for 'unfeminine' women would be to just accept the fact that they have qualities which are stereotyped as masculine and move on.

No. 2036542

>>2036527
I would say that at least 40-50% of the time I hear someone use the word 'feminine' in common parlance they mean the 'relating to female sex' definition. People talk about someone 'having a feminine form' 'a feminine body' 'a feminine voice' and stuff like that very often, not much less often than people talk about 'feminine clothing' or 'feminine hobbies.' Actually listen to when the word is used, even by troons, and you will notice that men often complain that something, like pregnancy or a period, is 'effortlessly feminine.' Women will say 'my feminine pain tolerance' when joking about getting less whiny about injuries. Even on this thread you can probably scroll up and see other anons making fun of the 'feminine giant skull/hands' of some TIM or the 'feminine 5'0 height' of some TIF (around 0% of males are five foot zero).

No. 2036543

>>2036535
>it is useful and beneficial to women who don't feel 'feminine' enough and therefore they feel like 'failed women' to remind themselves that they are perfectly fine women, who are naturally 'feminine' in the ways that actually pertain to being female in any real way.
NTA but instead of still thinking in ways which mix up sex stereotypes and biological realities by focusing on your own "femininity" wouldn't it be more helpful to realize that this "femininity" that you are insecure about is a transient, culturally-defined bullshit concept based on sex stereotypes (which differ in every country!) and free yourself from thinking in these shit terms? Instead of being comforted in your "inner femininity", be comforted by the fact that you are biologically female, and no one can take that away from you when they compare you to a man because you have short hair/wear pants/are bulky/whatever your society deems "unfeminine"?

No. 2036544

>>2035474
While I broadly agree with your point and notice this competition in tif spaces, I also think globalisation and several cultures have agreed on “feminine behaviours”, and the term is useful cause though the goal is to abolish gender entirely, we don’t exist outside of it yet. Across many cultures it is considered feminine to carefully monitor your appearance, because women are seen as decorative objects across many cultures. The normies won’t hesitate to slap labels on women who refuse to adhere to these beauty rituals and label us non-feminine. Conversely the nonitas here can accurately point out that curating a “tomboy” look by obsessing over your clothes and appearance is in fact complying with the expectations imposed on females, aka “feminine” gender roles.

These terms are bullshit in the same way the existence of money is bullshit if you think about it. Regardless it ends up being real in the sense that it does influence how you interact in social contexts.

Considering how many tomboys, especially of the type who really don’t care about their appearance, have several male friends, are very physical etc are rejected by parents, peers, religion, media etc I see nothing wrong with women who refuse to bend to these useless rituals to take it with pride. We’re constantly fighting the entirety of society and often get called pickmes for the crime of simply wanting to be comfortable. This type gets pushed to tif-ism because they feel othered by women, and it’s pretty disingenuous to pretend this doesn’t happen as female-on-female violence. How many mothers don’t impose these things on their daughters? Especially in very conservative societies like Eastern Europe, east Asia, Latin America, and so on. You are alienated by other women because even normies have gender super internalised. There’s often hefty homophobia interlaced in there too.

I wish gender did not exist at all and sex was the metric by which everything was measured but we don’t live in that society yet.

I actually think a lot of tifs are the carefully curated image type of person, which is why they compete to outdo each other, they’re overcompensating cause they’re fighting nature itself in their female body and the fact that a lot of them were fairly gender conforming women per the feminine standards of their society. But I can’t help but hold some spite toward them for being the type of woman that would have othered someone like me, and then trying to pass as “manly” in very low effort ways. And yes I think your average butch should be proud of how easily she mogs these wallflowers kek

No. 2036545

>>2036540
I never said women should think of their culturally masculine qualities as actually feminine, I said they should think of themselves as actually feminine, and not a 'failed woman,' because the only thing they 'failed' at is meeting some arbitrary stereotypes that will probably change in a few months time anyway. Also lots of women sing in the tenor range and our voices are still feminine. Maybe you're thinking baritone?

No. 2036547

>>2036543
Uh yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. Sex stereotypes are transient culturally defined bullshit. You are 'feminine' in the ways that actually relate to femaleness, as a female. You don't have to be 'feminine' in a way that relates to arbitrary stereotypes that are in many cases completely false.

No. 2036548

Just remembered how in 2017 for my internship doing PR for the city’s arts district I couldn’t use “feminine” “girl’s day out” “girly” in an article describing a new very feminine very girly woman-owned clothes boutique

No. 2036550

>>2036543
Ime this is the way to go. When you’re tossed under the bus by society as a young girl because you don’t comply with accepted manners of dress, speech, interests and behaviour one of the reactions you can develop is repulsion for the feminine. This is how NLOGism starts in tomboy girls. And the only way to uproot it is to separate that which you have grown to hate from femaleness entirely. You will have the struggles of all women when it pertains to reproductive rights, misogyny, medical issues… regardless of how you dress or what you like. And it helps with self acceptance to not push women to have to comply with something they have grown wary of because it feels like a cage- which it often is anyway

No. 2036551

>>2036542
>People talk about someone 'having a feminine form' 'a feminine body' 'a feminine voice' and stuff like that very often, not much less often than people talk about 'feminine clothing' or 'feminine hobbies.'
All of these are based on cultural sex stereotypes. Try to describe them in your mind and you'll immediately notice it.

>Actually listen to when the word is used, even by troons, and you will notice that men often complain that something, like pregnancy or a period, is 'effortlessly feminine.'

That one is because they fetishize the shit out of our biological realities. If stuffing ketchup-soaked balls of cotton up their axe wound gives them gender euphoria, to them it is "feminine". Troons are mentally ill and don't have a clear view of reality.

No. 2036553

>>2036543
>Instead of being comforted in your "inner femininity", be comforted by the fact that you are biologically female
Everyone here is more or less arguing for the exact same thing, just in different words lol

No. 2036555

>>2036544
I agree with all of this, it would be 'nice' if gender as it's currently understood didn't exist at all but I don't know if that's realistic. As long as we are a sexually dimorphic species people will always slap stereotypes on the two different main types of humans just like no amount of 'awareness' has ever stopped people from inventing racial stereotypes, ethnic stereotypes, stereotypes about the villagers on the west side of the river you live on the east side of, or whatever. On the other hand I think women who don't like current gender norms just should try to act as though they are less important and resist them, even if it won't accomplish abolishing them.

No. 2036556

this whole conversation is confusing because I've always been told I walk like and have the mannerisms of a man kek

No. 2036557

>>2036547
I appreciate that we seem to mostly agree but the only difference is that you're still hung up on describing things as "feminine", which is what I'm against. My position is that there's no such thing as "femininity" that is not based on sex stereotypes, which you disagree. We can leave it at that.

No. 2036558

>>2036539
How does this relate to being a tif?

No. 2036560

>>2036551
No, they're literally not based on cultural sex stereotypes. They are based on physical reality because we are a dimorphic species.

No. 2036562

>>2036556
You probably walk 'more like' a man than other women but most people can clock sex accurately in under a second from hundreds of feet away just by someone's walk and this is accurate no matter how 'stereotypically feminine' a woman tries to walk because we have completely different walking kinetics than men.

No. 2036563

>>2036545
>they should think of themselves as actually feminine
But this is the problem, if you are constantly stereotyped as masculine by your surroundings, why try to think of yourself as actually feminine, when you could just accept the way you are without connecting it to terms used to describe stereotypes or secondary sex characteristics?
>lots of women sing in the tenor range and our voices are still feminine
I was talking classical bel canto, where soprano is actually the most common female voice type

No. 2036566

>>2036560
I'd like to live in your country where a 2 meter tall woman with broad-shoulders, PCOS moustache, short hair, no makeup and stereotypically masculine way of dressing can be deemed by society as having "a feminine body". Scandi? Must be nice.

No. 2036568

>>2036560
Ntayrt but when I see people say someone has a "feminine body" or a "feminine form" they usually mean exaggerated hourglass bodies. They never call women with less curvy bodies feminine even though they're still female.

No. 2036570

>>2036557
Yeah and I feel like you keep just ignoring the parts of my posts where I explain why I'm using the word that way. First of all, because that's the way the word is actually used in reality. I'm not a linguistic prescriptivist but a descriptivist, and since around half the time at least I hear the word 'feminine' used it is in the sense of 'biologically female trait' I don't think there is any point in pretending the word doesn't mean that. The word means what it means, i.e. what people use it to mean out in the real world.

Second, I was responding to a discussion started by an anon saying she feels inadequate because she doesn't feel feminine and feels like a 'failed' woman. Naturally you haven't 'failed' as a woman just by not fitting in with some false stereotypes, but realistically people's brains conflate the two different common 'meanings' of femininity (sex stereotypes and actual sex traits) so when people tell them 'you don't act like a stereotypical woman' they start to think 'people out in public probably mistake me for male, oh god, am I as ugly as a troon, am I missing some key part of womanhood other women have?' and the answer to that is always no. That's why I said women having these doubts should focus on the half of the meaning of 'femininity' that has to do with actual sex traits and try to ignore the 'sex stereotypes' half. No one thinks you're any less female because you don't fit a stereotype. They know you're female. You haven't failed some secret ritual of womanhood, you just don't fit a stereotype that is likely to be false.

No. 2036572

>>2036566
I'm not in a Scandi country but I am almost 6 feet tall, have PCOS, don't usually wear makeup and frequently wear men's clothes and yeah lots of people have described me as 'feminine' and no one ever mistakes me for a moid.

No. 2036574

>>2036566
I can tell you're probably east asian, east asians have brainrot that being feminine means being the most stereotypical demure feminine flowers and bows type of shit and not literally just being female.

No. 2036576

>>2036572
Now I see where you're arguing from. This is euro hours so is it at least in Europe? Your society is exceptionally quite progressive in this matter anona.

No. 2036578

>>2036572
imagine thinking scandi pov of even 2 meter women with PCOS beard being feminine because they're female is a bad thing kek

No. 2036579

>>2036574
I'm not east asian but that's literally my point, every society has its own definition of femininity and most of them (except above anona's utopian society) don't simply stop at "female thus feminine". Therefore still thinking in terms of femininity and basing your self-worth around it instead of abandoning the entire idea for the biological reality of being female is the way to go.

No. 2036580

>>2036572
Well good for you, I'm average height and have long hair but I've been mistaken for a moid specifically due to my mannerisms, the way I speak and talk. It is a weird mythology that "nobody will mistake you as a moid ever" because sometimes some people do, even if for just a short while. What I do is I correct them if needed (usually not because these are strangers) and move on.

No. 2036583

I think this discussion would be easier by looking at it through the angle of cultural vs biological masculinity. Flat angular bodies are mixed up under culturally masculine traits, which are most of the good traits as men took concepts like "logic" and "active" for themselves. What is a more powerful (cultural) symbol than the phallus, of dominance? This is related to the female desire to masculinise (biological) one's body.

No. 2036584

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>>2036566
>2 meter tall woman with broad-shoulders, PCOS moustache, short hair, no makeup and stereotypically masculine way of dressing can be deemed by society as having "a feminine body".
nta but that describes a lot of female bodybuilders (sans the height usually, since not even 99% of men reach that height) who take T to gain muscles and naturally get the other effects too, they are in fact still considered feminine in their body building scene. I've even met some with froggy voices.

Femininity is based on sex and sex stereotypes. Sex stereotypes are rooted in the biology of sex. Gender doesn't exist.

No. 2036587

>>2036584
unrelated to the conversation but she needs to drink some water

No. 2036588

>>2036584
That you for the example, I hadn't heard of this before. It goes to show that even inside one society what is deemed feminine or not will change based on demographics. Bodybuilders may consider them feminine, but non-bodybuilders probably don't. However, everyone agrees that they are female.

No. 2036592

>>2036580
Yeah that's why I said almost no one will mistake you for a moid, some people who are faceblind/have perceptual issues or are not paying attention might briefly but that's not going to really affect you much overall.

Let me give another example of why I'm supporting the attitude I'm supporting. You hear often from TIFs that they were told they're 'masculine' throughout their lives so they thought their lives would be 'easier' if they just 'become' or LARP as men, since they think they'll fit in better with men since they're called 'masculine.' But what they actually experience when they pretend to be men is they don't fit in better at all and they basically always get clocked and even the people who don't instantly clock them always see them as 'hyperfeminine' men - not necessarily because of stereotypes like dress and feminine interests but literally just because of their body type, movements, voice, and so on. The thing these women missed when they decided trooning out will make them 'fit in' because they're masculine is that whenever people were calling them masculine, 'for a woman' was implied. They are perceived as masculine compared to the standard of the average women, not compared to the standard of all people. As soon as women like this realize that they're still (perceived as) 'feminine' in many ways just for having a female body and female experiences, the sooner they will stop deluding themselves they would have an easier life if they 'switched genders.'

No. 2036596

>>2036584
I'd argue that not all sex stereotypes are rooted in the biology of sex, since some sex stereotypes are just rooted in society's desire to 'demarcate' females and males by culturally 'assigning' them traits, uniforms (types of outfits), etc. that they're supposed to performatively develop or wear in order to fill their social sex role. So this always comes back to sex but I wouldn't say every stereotype is 'rooted in' the biology of sex. As another anon noted, the stereotype that women talk more actually isn't true, but is something that media has said about women so people think it's true and 'see it as' feminine in theory (in reality women who talk a lot are usually perceived as masculine and aggressive by their peers).

No. 2036601

>>2036592
>society tells me that I'm masculine
>I must be a man
>actually, society does perceive me as feminine, they just don't tell me
>I must be a woman
Yeah this isn't gonna save TIFs

No. 2036602

>>2036601
It will safe TIFs if they actually realize that sex is based on biology and you can't change your sex…

No. 2036605

>>2036602
And what are they gonna do if society starts perceiving them as a cat?

No. 2036608

>>2036605
That's not possible and the sooner people accept reality the better. If you read articles by or watch videos by detrans TIFs a major commonality between them is many of them say 'I wish someone had actually been honest with me before I transitioned and told me that I can't become male, I can't be perceived (and therefore treated) as a male no matter how hard I try to fit into stereotypes, I won't be accepted 'as a man' any more than I was accepted 'as a woman' and actually I was fine as I was all along.

The motivation of a large number of TIFs when they transition is to try to ultimately 'fit in with' and 'be perceived as' men because they think having some socially stereotyped 'masculine' qualities means they aren't proper women or aren't women at all. They don't understand that people calling a woman masculine is usually some form of social punishment for not conforming or stepping out of line of how society wants women to look or act, and that they aren't going to be punished any less if they try even harder not to conform, they're just going to be viewed as (and feel like) even more abnormal women. Actually a lot of women when they realize this detransition or desist and say they wish they'd realized it earlier.

No. 2036611

>>2036484
I agree with almost everything you said though I'd like to mention that
>For example, a feminine way of walking, or a feminine body. These do not refer to some patriarchal gender stereotype but to actual observable patterns and qualities related to how women look and move.

Given how deeply different boys are treated vs girls (we have data to show that pregnant women behave differently depending on the sex of the child while still in the womb if they know the birth sex) I think it's really hard to say with conviction that women/girls walk, speak and overall have different behaviours by virtue of being born a woman.
That is to say as well, these actions/behaviours aren't universal, and can be considered stereotypical given troons seem to love imitating their own version of them.

No. 2036619

>>2036611
I think you can say that because like I said above the actual kinetics of how women walk (due to their pelvic angle, center of gravity, percent fast-twitch muscle fibers) is actually different. Same with vocal timbre, even women with low voices usually have identifiably female voices because of the size of their voicebox and thickness of vocal cords and so on, this is why most TIFs who take T get those froggy voices that sound at best like an adolescent boy when his voice starts cracking, because no amount of socialization or male hormone can give her male lung capacity/size even if the vocal cords change. You can also almost always get people to accurately blind test people's height based on their voice too again regardless of how deep or high it is. Female bodies always have different proportions than male bodies even if most women don't have that 'archetypal' hourglass figure that is usually called feminine, that archetype is kind of an extreme on the estrogenic development scale but due to BF percentage, bone structure and so on there are basically no instances where a woman's body or face can really be mistaken for a man's except by people with some sort of cognitive impairment like prospagnosia (in still photos it often happens, but it's not common in motion). Archaeologists can usually tell the sex of a skull just visually without having to do any DNA testing.

In terms of behaviours I think you're quite right, even sex stereotypes about behaviour that are accurate (meaning they do mostly apply to women or men) could be almost 100% nurture for all we know. It's really hard to tell things like that apart. But even feral children who grew up without parents in the forest will have identifiably male/female bodies, ways of walking and voices.

I wanted to specify though that I'm mainly talking about TIFs specifically when I say we can prevent them trooning out by reminding them they are 'real women' and perceived as such and not failures, i.e., they 'are feminine' to some degree just because they are female and a lot of what people consider 'femininity' is actually just 'biologically female sex traits.' I don't think this will work to stop TIMs transitioning because I think TIMs usually don't actually transition due to feeling like they're feminine/failed men, I think most TIMs transition for the coom and because they enjoy violating female spaces. This is obviously not the case with the vast majority of TIFs, they clearly become uncomfortable and disturbed by the fact they can't successfully infiltrate male spaces and be treated like some of the guys; many TIFs don't even try to hang out with men and continue to hang out in female spaces because they never even wanted to socialize with men, they just got convinced that they are male by virtue of fitting some masculine stereotypes.

No. 2036625

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No. 2036628

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>>2036625
I like the simpler, edgier one

No. 2036630

>>2036628
Anon, read the image.

No. 2036632

>>2036630
I know, the first picture says both sexes have femenine and masculine energies in them while the Pythagoras quote is simply "benis gud, women ebil"

No. 2036633

>>2036625
Literally what I picture when I see people arguing about 'feminine qualities' kek

No. 2036635

>>2036633
Well that's just silly though. Naturally feminine qualities are just things that female sexed people have, socially determined feminine qualities are the things that society tells female sexed people they should do. People can delude themselves all they want that they have some 'masculine' or male 'essence' just because they like dogs more than cats, prefer pants to skirts or talk louder than average but they're not really fooling anyone except themselves.

No. 2036636

>>2036632
The point is I swapped the "passivity, surrender, weakness" etc over to the masculine side. Shouldn't have used an image with such small text tbh

No. 2036637

>>2036636
Lol I didn't even notice they were swapped, that's how arbitrary these things are.

No. 2036642

Even in my naive handmaiden teen days this annoyed me
>"trans people are 2% of the population, there are many of us and we are all valid and should be catered to"
>"detransitioners are only like 2%, that's literally nothing and they shouldn't ever be catered to or taken into account for anything"

No. 2036643

>>2036642
Yeah according to the oppression pyramid logic of 'smaller more ignored minority is more oppressed' shouldn't detransitioners be the most oppressed of all?

No. 2036644

>>2036642
Those numbers are far too high anyway, but aren't detransitioners measured against the number of transitioners? That makes the number even lower.

No. 2036647

>>2036636
To be fair I didn't even see the joke cause I would 100% believe a chart like this saying that being controlling and abusive is inherently feminine.

No. 2036650

>>2036647
I saw the male side had 'Manipulation, neediness, co-dependency, over-sensitivity, over-emotional' and 'feeling misunderstood' and was like yep sounds like moids lmao

No. 2036657

>>2036644
Detransitioners aren't measured against anything because it's suicide to leave the cult. I've noticed a shift towards 'they' pronouns especially with TIFs who previously identified only as 'he', same with 'any pronouns but she/they preferred!'. They can't detransition and abandon their entire social circle after destroying every good relationship they previously had through their gendie retardation. There's little to no chance they'd ever come forwards about detransitioning to any respected organisation carrying out surveys on gender brainrot.

No. 2036662

>>2036657
This reminds me of a really funny story with one of my friends who detransitioned/desisted (she got a scrip for hormones but I don't think she started taking them or if she did she stopped quickly).

She told me she identifies as male but she came to my show once where a bunch of people I knew from work and stuff showed up, so I was trying to introduce her to them. Her name was let's say Amanda but she said she 'couldn't decide' whether she wanted to be called 'A' or 'Zed' or continue to go by 'Amanda.' I started to introduce her and was like 'this is my friend ….' and looked at her to say which name she wanted to go by, she choked up and didn't answer and started giggling sheepishly. Everyone looked at her like she was a freak. She also told them she has 'he/him pronouns but you can use they if it makes you more comfortable.'

Literally the next day she told me she isn't going to go by a new name anymore and changed back to her normal name on facebook and was a theyby for a few months before going back to IDing as female, I think the social pressure got to her and she realized she couldn't actually be assertive about her new identity to strangers so she just slowly backed out of it.

Also around the same time I was working somewhere where we would test a bunch of people for something and before administering the test we had them do paperwork that asked for their gender and names. All like 6-7 TIFs we tested would sheepishly come over in the middle of doing their paperwork and ask me 'what should I put as my gender and name, X is my real name but I go by Y, also I'm trans' and I would just say 'just put down whatever you think you should put down.' Every single one of them put down their real name and 'F' usually with (NB) or (Nickname) next to it. They literally cave under the tiniest social pressure and most of them wouldn't even have successfully transitioned in the first place if they hadn't been hanging out entirely in hugboxes of other genderqueers.

No. 2036663

>>2036662
>I started to introduce her and was like 'this is my friend ….' and looked at her to say which name she wanted to go by, she choked up and didn't answer and started giggling sheepishly. Everyone looked at her like she was a freak.

It's not even the gendie part yet and strangers are already responding in this manner… which state/country do you live in?

No. 2036665

>>2036663
Liberal city near the east coast. Well yeah I would think someone was acting super strange if they were asked to give their name and they paused for like a minute, started stuttering, and then just started giggling uncontrollably and never actually said the name. I ended up finally just saying all three names on her behalf after like a minute of this and she was like 'yeah any one of those is fine! You can call me whatever you want!' while at the same time she was texting me angry screeds after her therapy appointments about how her parents were abusive because they should have known she was a man when she was a toddler, it was obvious, there's nothing feminine about her, and they just pretended not to know she was a male toddler because they were conservative. It's funny too because her parents supported her transition and kept being like 'yeah you are a man' so the only thing she could be mad about was that they hadn't 'magically known' by how 'masculine' she was.

No. 2036687

>>2036601
>Yeah this isn't gonna save TIFs
do you really think the "gender ideology hate" thread is meant to save tifs nona? they're part of the very problem we hate. the tif you describe is stupid as all fuck anyway, tell her she has a long face and she'll transition onto a pony

No. 2036689

>>2036687
Someone needs to save TIFs or GNC lesbians are going to go extinct. TIMs can chop off their dicks and die from sepsis though, the more the merrier. Unironically I support free gubmint funded SRS for TIMs so they can all castrate themselves faster.

No. 2036690

>>2036644
The point is it's still "2% of a population". It's exactly the same, just on a smaller scale. If there's 2 trans people in a village of 100 people they'd still argue those trans people deserve to be catered to.
But also like if detransitioners are too small of a group to listen to, then the demi-boy autismgender transfem enby who is 0.5% of all trans people should have even less credence and authority but they still treat those as valid voices.

Of course the 2% numbers aren't true at all. We already know up to 90% of "gender dysphoric" kids grow out of it with puberty, which would be a form of "detransition" to them.

No. 2036693

>>2036560
A stereotype is a generalized belief about a particular category of people. So what you're saying is still a stereotype. And most of the things we say without really thinking about are generalizations. What you say that this is based on reality is true. But stereotypes hold some truth because they are the most common behavior that is observed among a group. There's going to be stereotypes because of humans' instinctive need to categorize and recognize patterns.

Now this isn't a reply to you, but a general opinion I'll voice:
The issue with stereotypes is that it creates an expectation and predicts behavior. A person, based on previous information they have about a particular group or person, will adjust their behavior. It's something as simple as seeing something the bus come by on specific hours every day, with some slight differences in time and predicting when it will arrive next. This process is useful. The way to break a stereotype is to show the person who holds that belief something more than the standard deviation. If the bus starts coming later for a few days, the person will at the beginning go early and be confused why the bus isn't at the stop yet, but will eventually adjust to the bus' new time.
The reason people get angry at stereotypes being proven untrue is the reason anyone would get frustrated at a bus that arrives and leaves at random times and follows no pattern. You can't predict when it will come next.

No. 2036694

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No. 2036695

>>2036665
>I ended up finally just saying all three names on her behalf
that's a power move on your part. Say her cringe shit out loud to others, it's easier to hear how stupid it sounds when someone else says it

No. 2036696

>>2036690
Exactly, if someone said "2% of prison inmates were wrongly convicted and later turned out not to be criminals" no one would say "who cares, that's just a minority of inmates who are already a small percentage of the population" they would say oh damn, how do we ensure fewer people get falsely convicted? When it's detransitioners it's just "haha suck it up losers."

>>2036689
I think lots of TIFs are dumb but I still think we should help girls/women who are susceptible to becoming TIFs, both because a lot of them are vulnerable and most are minors or teenagers, and also because getting rid of stupid gender ideology thinking in women is inherently good for all women and will make us stronger as a group. Some of these girls/women have the potential to fight against harmful gender stereotypes if they can be made to realize that having stereotypically masculine traits isn't bad or wrong and shouldn't make them male-identified. It's a shame that girls who rebel against constrictive female sex stereotypes and norms end up identifying with men rather than using their experiences to realize those stereotypes are unhealthy for all other women too.

No. 2036699

>>2036693
Most dictionaries define "stereotype" as an "oversimplied" belief about something, an "unfair and untrue" belief about a group or category, or something that is assumed to apply to every member of a category even though it doesn't apply to all of them. Feminine body/gait/etc. applies to 100% of females, no exceptions. That isn't a stereotype or generalization. Things that are stereotypes about women: women have long hair. Women like pink and dresses. Women are not assertive. Women are more interested in people than things. Things that are not stereotypes about women: Women have female gait. Women have female body proportions. Women do not have penises. As long as women feel they are 'inadequate' as women because they don't fit all generalizations about women, they are still missing the point.

I agree with you about why people get angry stereotypes don't come true but I think it's even more insidious than this on a mass societal level. Many (not all) stereotypes about women are basically things that women have been coerced to do because patriarchal society has deemed it useful for society (especially men) deems it useful for them to do so. Many women don't naturally do these things or want to do them and then when other people get angry that they don't do these things, these women start to feel like they have done something wrong because they don't fit into the expectations placed on them. Many of these expectations are not to their benefit and they actually would have better lives if they didn't do them or fit into the expectations, except due to feeling like it's 'wrong' not to fit these expectations they actually think they need to change or fix themselves and don't get to enjoy the benefits of standing up to those expectations. That's why TIF shit is so sad, these girls are miserable because they've been convinced they're wrong for enjoying some freedom from total conformity to standards that were devised specifically to keep them subservient.

No. 2036700

>>2036695
Lol yeah I suspect that's why she folded the next day, I think it was a wake up call to have to play this silly identity game with a bunch of strangers who weren't in her usual hugbox. I didn't even mean to do it to make her look bad though, this was before I was aggressively terfy and I was just trying to end the awkward situation by cueing her to pick an option.

No. 2036710

>>2036699
>Feminine body/gait/etc. applies to 100% of females, no exceptions.
NTA but if so, what about those women who constantly get told our body/gait/mannerisms aren't feminine? Are we just ackchually secretly feminine, or could there be a stereotype about the way women are supposed to walk even if there were some anatomic differences as well? Also you come off as autistic when you get fixated on dictionary definitions.

No. 2036715

>>2036710
I said this earlier but when you're told your body/gait isn't feminine people mean 'compared to other women.' As other anons said many women have exaggeratedly swaying walks either because they have wider hips than average, because they notice men are attracted to it or because they just saw other women in their family doing that as kids, who knows. But no woman has a gait that is naturally masculine in the way a man's is, it's just on the 'less than hyperfeminine' side of the spectrum of female walks.

This entire conversation is full of people fixated on how to define words because that's what half of gender arguments boil down to. It's people trying to mess with language and definitions in order to manipulate people and manipulate how society sees issues relating to gender. We got to this point because men want to be able to say 'prostate non-havers' and 'uterus havers' to erase the category of women. I don't think it's useful to fall for those manipulations and start ceding ground to troons who claim that akshully women don't have vaginas, their super feminine girl dick is actually so soft and feminine. Trying to 'gender-neutralize' biologically dimorphic traits while 'hyper-gendering' random stereotyped bs like arbitrary colors just plays into their agenda.

No. 2036722

>>2036699
>>2036710
This nonna is right. You're pigeonholing yourself by insisting on this "feminine" descriptor which by your own admission is inherently ambiguous since when used, it can mean one of two things. Women get told that their way of walking and their bodies are unfeminine all the time, so by extension you must be arguing that ackshually they're all secretly feminine since "feminine body" and "feminine gait" do not refer to sex stereotypes, so in conclusion everyone who calls women's gait or body unfeminine is simply wrong.

No. 2036727

>>2036722
Samefag, but just to be clear, there is a difference between thinking
>I am female, therefore my being female is feminine
and
>I am simply female, and femininity is a made up bullshit concept

No. 2036734

>>2036722
Insisting on a 'masculine' descriptor is equally ambiguous since when used, it can also mean multiple things. But what is calling yourself or other women 'masculine' actually accomplishing? What is 'secretly' feminine about women? The word 'feminine' was invented literally to refer to anything associated with women. Women are not 'secretly' feminine. During particularly conservative and reactionary periods in history (like 1950s America, when men were pissed that women took over a bunch of 'male' jobs while they were off at war) male patriarchal media and propaganda started shilling ideas of 'femininity' hard, replacing Rosie the Riveter type imagery (depicting strong handy women positively) with imagery and language about how women can be more 'feminine' aka demure, staying out of 'male' job fields, relegating themselves to domestic servitude, putting their 'new look' nu-Victorian corseted sexy dresses back on and their increasingly high heels. Men thus co-opted a word that really just meant 'anything related to women' and put a restrictive, stereotyped spin on it. However I'm just old enough to remember that in my early-ish childhood, we didn't talk about 'gender' much outside of grammar classes. We talked about 'sex stereotypes.' Now sex stereotypes and sex traits have been conflated under the umbrella of 'femininity' and 'masculinity' and people freely say a penis can be feminine, a color can be inherently feminine, whatever. We gave up more and more precise language to ideologically subversive males who hate women.

When a woman is emotionally attached to the idea of calling her personality, skillset, interests, body, walk, hair, and clothes 'masculine' why is she so attached to that 'masculine' label? I'll hazard a guess it's because most of us know that most of what we call 'masculine' are the good things. Comfort, freedom, respect, intellectually rigorous and higher paying career fields all come with the 'masculine' label and a lot of women want to be seen as 'masculine' for this reason. TIFs like to think they are 'masculine' because they hate 'femininity' and associate it with subjugation. But as soon as we start labeling our normal, non-sexed or female-sexed traits, bodies, careers, skills and behaviours 'masculine' unironically and feel insulted to be called feminine we are basically ceding ground to males by accepting that our positive traits are male-like.

There has always been a concept of femininity and a concept of gender, there have always been sex stereotypes and those things will never go away. You can say 'I am female and it's insulting to call my female body feminine' but feminine was originally just a word to describe 'female' and 'female associated' things, which you have now handed over to troons and scrotes and allowed them to define. Now we have tons of women fighting over who can be more 'masculine' i.e. interesting, comfortable, free, worthy and that sucks for little girls growing up. Being told 'sweetie that female scientist is masculine, it's unfeminine to be a scientist' isn't helping girls growing up because they know enough words to know that means she's 'man-like.'

No. 2036736

Anyway, there’s nothing more disgusting than bisexual males who are only into weak and small males who dress like prostitutes. It’s so obvious that they see us as failed men and I’d much rather find out my partner was gay than bi. Bisexual males perpetuate the vast majority of harmful gender ideology because it makes their dicks hard. They’re the number 1 offenders

No. 2036737

>>2036715
>This entire conversation is full of people fixated on how to define words because that's what half of gender arguments boil down to.
AMEN.
Women are adult human females. Stereotypes do not matter.

No. 2036761

>>2036734
>Insisting on a 'masculine' descriptor is equally ambiguous
Absolutely. By your own admission, language evolves, and what used to mean only "of the female sex" now doesn't mean only that anymore. My entire point is that we need to free ourselves from thinking inside the feminine and masculine dichotomy altogether, because no matter their linguistic origin, both of these terms refer overwhelmingly to sex stereotypes today. If we could go back to the time where "feminine" simply meant "female (adjective)", I wouldn't hold this view. But it doesn't mean that anymore.

No. 2036769

>>2036544
Great reply but i disagree that the 'weak and anxious' type of TiF can be reduced to feminine socialization. At least when it comes to the autistic ones. A lot of these girls try to be forgiven for their inability to be integrated into feminine socialization by adopting some superficial markers or carefully curating a persona. The 'trans boy' delusion is just a change of script. Autistic girls are often not masculine the way butches are, but they are still pretty 'un-feminine'. Un-feminine, un-masculine, with certain traits that are decidedly atypical like 'directness' and 'being oblivious to feminine micromanagement' etc. I think we can all see why they'd want to become 'something' for once. I don't see why a butch would be proud of mogging such girls because frankly, most people mog them when it comes to navigating gendered social scripts. There's nothing remarkable about that. Even in the pretty narrow autistic demographic, you'll find women who seem closer to the archetypal ex-tomboy/butch, despite their neurosis and identitarian fixation on being 'super duper masculine'. Idk i just don't think compliance to beauty standards is all that important when assessing gender conformity. It does symbolize something, but depending on what group you look at (lower classes vs. middle/upper class), feminine style doesn't automatically translate to feminine traits. It almost becomes magical thinking, and you end up with women who adopt a 'GNC trve feminist' uniform of sorts, are careful to not be ornamental or sensual, yet display a mastery of feminine social scripts (passive-agressive policing, etc.). Any feminist strand (outside of libfems) is riddled with such women.

No. 2036800

>>2036769
AYRT, you’re correct actually. When I meant “fairly gender conforming by the feminine standards of their society” that encompasses the neuroticism, general submission and lack of taking up space, people pleasing… all the general ‘lower class person’ behaviours that are expected of women. You’re right that presentation doesn’t equal gnc (which was part of my point but I didn’t make it come across in my rant lol) because mtf troons have “feminine presentation” but are gender conforming when it comes to male standards, being fixated with sex and dominant through aggression. I actually think the type of feminist you describe that projects an outward image of gnc butch but is still neurotic and controlling is gender conforming in the way tifs are.

Regardless what you bring up about autistic tifs being neither here nor there- that also gets you othered by other women. The bar for women is so high that even if you miss out on one or two of the ridiculous high strung traits people already have things to say, and women monitor each other for noncompliance, it’s rather dystopian how we are taught to do this when you stop to think about it kek.

The reason why I place a special emphasis on butches/tomboys mogging these insecure women is because a lot of the tifs end up trying to project a very superficially masculine image by being extra aggressive, pushing really hard to wear “men’s clothes”, being misogynistic, and retroactively trying to frame themselves as always having been gnc to be more true trans. In a way, they’re appropriating the nature of the very women they would have excluded; some of these women despite being rejected themselves still feel threatened by other, less compliant women and reject them, in turn, trying to compensate for their own failings in an effort to belong. You’re correct that most everyone is more socially competent than this type of TiF though lol.

I hope what I’ve said about female group dynamics makes some sense. I think these female group dynamics are our equivalent to how male friend groups seem to operate in hierarchies where you’re constantly having to prove you’re not at the bottom. A lot of the, let’s call it Type 1 tomboy who never cared, also doesn’t really click with the in-group obsessive monitoring, and usually gets treated as either a strange pet project or a non-person you pity and reject by female social groups. It’s bizarre and dehumanising tbh

No. 2036803

>>2036800
Samefag, adding that you can get a lot of personal accounts from nonas in the “finding it hard to relate to other women” thread (I forgot what board it’s in though, I believe it’s in /g/) speaking about being treated like a pet to care for and civilise, or a predator. That’s the type of rejection I mean. And a lot of them seem “type 1 tomboys”. Honestly considering current idpol giving you a supposed way out I am not surprised they end up drawn to tifism, it just sucks.

No. 2036824

>>2036769
>you end up with women who adopt a 'GNC trve feminist' uniform of sorts, are careful to not be ornamental or sensual
This is because MEN butted in and got involved in the female experience, male interactions change drastically no matter how superficial a woman sees the degree of being sensual/attractive to men etc. it does get vastly different treatment from the moids they interact with.

No. 2036858

>>2036800
>The reason why I place a special emphasis on butches/tomboys mogging these insecure women (…)
So true, it's almost comical when you contrast them with butches or tall/imposing women, who are often very soft and gentle 'beneath' their exterior. Insecure TiFs focus on interpersonal 'masculinity' over any other kind, and imo this is strongly related to their psychosexual issues (self-loathing, identification with the agressor, masochism or 'AAP'). They are also incredibly loyal to men, men's views of women and male culture, in a way that isn't dissimilar to masochistic (broadly, not just sexually) feminine women.
The bit about their rejection of less compliant women is also terribly true, simply because so many GC/gender-skeptical girls and women are also autistic. They have lots in common with the insecure TiF type, but do not engage in the pantomine of gender either because it'd demand too much effort or because they are non-conforming enough that even this seems silly. This fits a broader trend of awkward/autistic/unpopular kids ragging on kids who are even more odd than them, as a way to prop themselves up in the masculine/feminine hierarchy, as you described.
To me the quintessential Type 2 tomboy is overtly anxious, devoured by her inability to even relax and fit in in broader mixed-sex settings, unlike the Type 1 who copes with anxiety by simply ignoring her stress and not caring about feminine scripts (this is why they often have male friends). The Type 2 thrives in congregations of similarly anxious girls so she is the most susceptible to ROGD, and more generally an 'us vs. them' mentality. Of course there's a lot of overlap, i've seen super careless TiFs but most of these girls skew one way or the other.
>a lot of the, let’s call it Type 1 tomboy who never cared, also doesn’t really click with the in-group obsessive monitoring, and usually gets treated as either a strange pet project or a non-person (…)
Yes, this is exactly the kind of dynamic i observed in tumblr fandom TiF days, where the 'leads' of the groups would be rather shy and awkward but still enforced rules over more careless 'pet' horse girl types.
I think the 'Type 1 tomboy' was bound to be theorized on here since so many LC users seem to fit this, given the accounts on /g/ and fandom discussions.
Also it's interesting that you associated feminine submission to 'lower class' women. I definitely see what you mean (especially in trad/religious groups), but i also observe the reverse, poor women covered in tons of makeup and garish feminine clothing acting extremely 'masculine'. Assessing femininity in these cases is hard because part of it is automatic scripting and a complete internalization of feminine norms, and part of it is very affected, a kind of sexual strategy women deploy in specific contexts.

>>2036824
Oh yes, i don't think it's silly or entierely pointless, after all dressing sexy will get you the 'stupid vapid bimbo' treatment a lot of the time. I just disagree that this alone can extract a woman from deeply ingrained socialization.

No. 2036901

>>2036592
>because they're masculine is that whenever people were calling them masculine, 'for a woman' was implied
Spot on! But how did you not get shot down for being 'misogynistic' for acknowledging this?

No. 2036924

>>2034035
But men can be conditioned early with all sorts of sexual stimulus, that’s why pornsickness is a thing.

No. 2036972

>>2036924
Why is it that you can condition a straight man to be gay but not a gay one to be straight? Geniuine question.

No. 2036986

>>2036924
is this why so many men who have slept with women for decades suddenly come out as gay?

No. 2037005

>>2036972
i don't know if this is a popular theory or not, but i've debated this stuff before and me and several others agreed that many heterosexuals are actually bi, while those who self identify as homosexual usually are actually gay (with exceptions ofc, we all know about polilezzes and bi men claiming to be gay etc.)
the reasons for them still identifying as straight vary, but with regards to men, many seem to have a black and white view of sexuality - they're either straight or gay, regardless of their actual attraction. plus, homophobia by men against gay men likely dissuades some bisexual males from identifying as gay and pursuing men even if they're attracted to them. if they do end up in a same-sex relationship, they'll rarely call themselves bisexual and will instead just call themselves gay, because they, as closeted bisexuals, don't understand that homosexuals/heterosexuals don't have a "fluid" sexuality and that they truly do experience attraction to only one sex.
this also explains the phenomenon of "straight" males dating mtfs, and the rare few "gay" males dating ftms. they just don't understand how bisexuality works.

tl;dr: most moids are at least partially fags and also mentally handicapped retards who don't know what the word "bisexual" means

No. 2037030

>>2036858
AYRT again.

Yes, the tumblr groups tend to operate not too differently from your average clique at a school when analysing it from the perspective of a teenager, which is very funny since a lot of them are NLOGs. I don’t think NLOGism is uncommon as a response to feeling othered by fellow women, I just think it fades with age and maturity in a healthy woman. A lot of Type 2s/in between autistic girls act not too different from your average popular girl when in a position of social power with other awkward reject girls. Before it was fanfiction archives and deviantart role play groups, now it’s clusters of tifs on discord kek

I also think the Type 1 is drawn to imageboards because a lot of our gnc comes from direct communication so we for better or for worse manage to mesh in places like 4chan, where male styles of communication dominate. This is obviously not good for the developing female psyche because a lot of male dominated spaces are misogynistic. But personally being surrounded by Type 1s is what I like about LC. It’s good for the mind to see other women like you.

Also this was an ESL slip but what I meant by lower class person was like, second class, less than human etc. Which is often the motivation to teach women to make themselves small, keep to their own, prioritise others above themselves, a lot of that comes from those days. But your observation on economic class is spot on!! Poverty means striving to survive and that means being unafraid to defend yourself and be aggressive which accidentally comes across as “masculine”

No. 2037058

>>2037005
More moids date ftms than mtfs

No. 2037064

I was at the bar yesterday with friends, I was here to have a good time and to celebrate that one of them came back from the US after so long. I see three trannies that night and they were all mega stereotypical: one with thigh highs and mini skirt with messy greasy hair, another that looked like a 30 year old man with cheap makeup and clothes only a 15 year old girl would wear, and the other one that had a five o'clock shadow with a wig that had the fashion of a 60 year old woman.
I still had a fun night but nevertheless I couldn't help but stare in disbelief whenever one of them passed by.

No. 2037074

>>2036632
Clearly he never watched Zardoz.

No. 2037081

>>2037058
yeah, because most tifs who date moids are severely insecure and gullible and the moids who date them are heterosexuals who call themselves shit like "pan" or "queer" (and are usually massive creeps). this wasn't about that though.

No. 2037102

New thread:
>>>/ot/2037097

No. 2037103

>>2037102
You're fucking early faggot

No. 2037105

>>2037102
can you people wait until it reaches post limit? jesus fucking christ

No. 2037219

>>2036761
Unfortunately it doesn't only mean that anymore, but it still frequently means that. Just read lolcow threads talking about troons and you'll see that even here on lolcow, 'terfs' frequently describe physical sexed features as feminine or masculine or say 'a penis can never be feminine.'

No. 2037228

>>2036769
This is a great post and I think it's part of why the bragging about mogging makes me a bit uncomfortable. Although I do think that there's almost nothing in this world more feminine-coded than a child being neurotic and fixated on their appearance, even the 'I don't care how I look' element of this often becomes performative in feminist communities when things are described along this binary. That's why I agree with whatever poster originally said that 'GNC' is ultimately about non-conformity, of whatever kind, more than it is about 'gender.' You don't have to move toward the 'male' stereotype side of a continuum to be seen as GNC, you just need to rebel against (butches) or fail to understand (autists) the expectations placed on you and you're automatically gender nonconforming, which doesn't necessarily mean 'classically masculine.'

No. 2037235

>>2036803
This is really interesting because despite always having been a 'type 1 tomboy' I actually was mostly popular enough and had many female friends. I did have phases (changed schools a lot) where I hung out mostly with the boys because I just really loved playing kick the can at lunch and only the boys did that or something, but even during those phases I occasionally bailed on my male friends to go hang out with girls. I did have some people treating me like a predator or treating me completely non-relatable but it was never a majority. On the other hand most of the 'type 2 tomboy' girls I knew were usually social outcasts and excluded, most likely because of their high neuroticism and obsession with 'not being like the other girls' which was very prevalent even back then. I found that these were the girls usually drawn to nerd, queer, goth, emo subgroups because they had difficulty relating to both boys and girls who didn't share their same neurotic interests, and actually were proud of not hanging out with them.

No. 2037267

>>2036858
Oh I just responded to AYRT saying almost the exact same thing you said and then read your post. I think this is especially accurate:
>quintessential Type 2 tomboy is overtly anxious, devoured by her inability to even relax and fit in in broader mixed-sex settings, unlike the Type 1 who copes with anxiety by simply ignoring her stress and not caring about feminine scripts.
The us vs. them mentality part is also very true, and I think this is why most Type 1 tomboys grow up without gender trouble, because they are not nearly as obsessed with categorizing and classifying themselves in relation to other people. Even if someone bullies them for being masculine they're less likely to care because they haven't internalized these neuroses to the same degree and don't feel the need to set themselves apart more and more from other people, which is really at the root of a lot of ROGD. It's actually a form of hyper-conformity to expectations and roles, where girls who don't fit nearly into the prescribed role search around for a role they think they can fit perfectly; this is where micro-identities come from.

No. 2037271

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"Afab privileged people" Jesus Christ.

Imagine seeing a post about Palestinian women not having access to pregnancy care, reproductive care, menstrual products, etc, due to living in a literal war zone, and THIS being your response. Troons are genuinely the most self-absorbed people I've ever seen, and the fact women are bowing down to them and apologizing instead of going "what the fuck is afab privilege, shut up" is so worrying tbh. We're cooked, man.

No. 2037274

>>2037271
>death threat by a nasty tranny or a TRA
>"oh sorry, sorry!"
This is what holds women back. Women seriously need to learn to be unapologetic about their feelings and opinions. This passive attitude to the world is how trannies got so far as they did, because normie women keep wiping their asses.

No. 2037278

>>2037271
>bioessentialist bullshit
biology isn't essential?

No. 2037280

>>2037267
>It's actually a form of hyper-conformity to expectations and roles, where girls who don't fit nearly into the prescribed role search around for a role they think they can fit perfectly; this is where micro-identities come from.
I like the way you put this. We've all seen how tifs are pretty much identical to each other, in different sub categories. Modern "queerness" is all about neatly fitting into a specific square label, fluidity isn't allowed unless it is strictly labeled as such. You can't just be, you have to be something specific and think about it at all times to make sure you fit into that something. I've never seen anyone advocate more for restrictive gender roles than trans people, and I've never seen more openly racist people than "woke" people.

No. 2037283

>>2037274
This is basically the only type of woman left on tumblr lmao.

No. 2037296

>>2037280
Yes that's what initially struck me about the 'queer community' when it started focusing so much on gender identities, it was so hyper-conformist and restrictive.

Maybe the solution to the feminine/masculine question is actually to just go back to describing non-stereotypical qualities as 'GNC' - that makes it pretty clear it doesn't talk about your body type or PCOS but about roles you're not conforming to, and the nonconformity doesn't mean you are masculine it just means you're not conforming to a role.

Slightly off topic but the same types of nerd girls who now adopt microidentities on Tiktok are the same types of girls who I noticed always had a lot of mental angst and anguish about not having a 'perfectly curated' aesthetic in their wardrobe, bedroom, etc. or would call themselves 'asexual' just because they didn't get immediately turned on by a hot guy they saw passing on the street, it's this extremely literal and rigid idea of having to have your outside and labels match your insides perfectly.

No. 2037310

>>2037296
>this extremely literal and rigid idea of having to have your outside and labels match your insides perfectly.
Female autism

No. 2037312

>>2037283
Sadly true. I left tumblr when the whole tme/tma thing started. Tumblr used to be a site for women, why did we let tims win?

No. 2037314

>>2034669
How many times do we have to explain that the brain isn't a sexed organ? The only difference is its size, which correlates with skull size and has nothing to do with intelligence. Playing competitive games isn't inherently male; it's just less popular with girls and women because men will insult them for "invading" their precious male safe space, proof of their supposed superiority, because "only men have the much cerebral capacities to play competitively". Enjoying stereotypically male hobbies doesn't mean someone has a "male brain." Similarly, gay men are more likely to enjoy stereotypically female hobbies because they find acceptance there, not because they have a "female brain."

The insane theories that trans women are women trapped in male bodies or that gay men have female brains are based on the same bullshit and have been debunked repeatedly by science. It's 2024, wake the fuck up nonna. As a woman with stereotypically male hobbies, it's incredibly insulting and misogynistic. These ideas are harmful and should not be tolerated. Don't project your insecurities about YOUR hobbies on others. A girl or woman enjoying stereotypically hobbies isn't secretly male.

No. 2037325

>>2037296
You are spot on. I lived with someone and watched the progression from uwu I might experiment with pronouns to oh wow it was actually transphobic when you called me she. She full presented as a woman, but she had small boobs and like wearing cargo pants and dating bi men. So obviously taking birth control to stop periods (ngl I do this whenever my hormones will let me, no shame in that) means she was some kind of transcending sex, smarter than everyone based tranny!!! Yes que— I mean monarch!!! and moved out to join a polycule with her partner who has another partner who he groomed since they were children.

No. 2037374

>>2036522
anons that pull out shit like this are so ridiculous to me they remind me of racepsergs. even worse when they get the diagrams out. my pelvis is narrower than both the majority of people, men and women. I do not run “female”. since sex characteristics are a result of hormonal development, a variable characteristic, so obviously there is crossover. that’s the whole reason trannies are wrong in the first place - the only reliable indicator is your chromosomes. And no one uses “feminine” to mean female either, femininity is almost entirely cultural. You can’t tell me women wearing less clothes, tighter clothes, makeup, etc is a stereotype that stems from biology. kek. don’t be ridiculous.

No. 2037375

>>2037325
Lol also why are so many of them into polyamory?

No. 2037377

>>2037374
This is troon logic. "No trust me guys I'm really like more biologically male than males, the width of my hips means I was born with a male pelvic shape and angle, I could totally beat men at sprinting because I don't run in a female way!" This is exactly what delusional troons say and you're falling for their psyop.

Sex characteristics are partly a result of hormonal development but even people who are legitimately intersex (a tiny proportion of the total population) still are either biologically male or female and it's not hard to determine which. There's no crossover at all between male and female pelvic angle and shape. Chromosomes aren't even the sole determinant of being male or female since some intersex conditions cause people to develop biologically 'female' phenotype even though you will be sterile.

People use feminine to mean 'female related' all the time. Best example is 'feminine hygiene products,' no one is saying tampons are frilly and sing in a soprano voice they're saying they're hygiene products for a 'feminine' (related to womanhood) biological reality.

No. 2037858

>>2037312
Tumblr was never good. It was an echo chamber for people who put in minimal effort in anything and got rewarded with asspats

No. 2037866

>>2037858
I think in the first couple years it was a fun microblogging platform like a weird combo of blogspot facebook and insta. It went downhill so fast as soon as it got political though since they picked up the anti-TERF shit faster than any other social media platform. I think I deleted my tumblr in the early 2010s and at that point I had already been dealing with 2+ years of TERF blocklist posts. On the bright side tumblr is also what peaked me, the TERF blocklist posts included the most absolutely innocuous blogs.

No. 2037994

>>2037377
NTA but the 'feminine hygiene products' is a shitty example because calling them 'feminine' is just an euphemism meant to avoid using the word 'menstruation' or 'period,' which would be more accurate. Also there literally are qualities in which males and females differ on average but with significant overlap, such as height. Men are taller on the average, but there are many women who are taller than some individual men, so your reasoning is still faulty. Walking style literally does not matter, only reproductive organs and chromosomes do.

No. 2037995

>>2037271
Grow a spine holy christ

No. 2037997

>>2037994
How is my reasoning faulty all I am saying is that both the etymological origin (and use for hundreds of years) and the current use of the words 'feminine' and 'masculine' are frequently consistent with the meaning 'of woman' and 'of man.'

If you think physiological kinetics don't matter I'm sure you don't mind male sprinters in women's olympic sprinting events? Yes the only time we should point out the differences between males/females is when women have baby.

No. 2038012

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>>2037374
>my pelvis is narrower than both the majority of people, men and women. I do not run “female”. since sex characteristics are a result of hormonal development, a variable characteristic, so obviously there is crossover.
You thinking being petite and having a smaller pelvis (when women are literally the smaller sex) makes you "more male" and "less female" is just tragic. I think you're a bit brainwashed by the troon ideology too, the first puberty happens in the womb before we are born. Troons have succeeded in spreading lies like "everyone starts out as female in the womb" and "kids are basically the same until puberty" which was never true to begin with.

Males muscles aren't attached the same way as females, the shape, size and angle of their bones are different. It doesn't scale proportionally; a super tiny change in how the ligaments are attached makes men not just a tiny bit stronger, but several times stronger than women (similarly to the lever effect). And that's all true before puberty has even hit. Males are designed for upper body strength, women have other functions that males don't.

No. 2038061

>>2038012
Thanks nonna I feel like I'm going crazy reading posts in this thread implying that women can basically have male phenotypes and the only difference between us is detectable in our chromosomes. The idea that acknowledging phenotypic sex differences is bioessentialism similar to race-sperging suggests that troon ideology has poisoned basic science education and awareness more than I even realized.

Even the 'men are taller on average, but many women are taller than men' thing, while true, is losing sight of the fact that relatively common heights for females (like 5'0-ish) are basically unheard of for men and vice versa, even though that is a dimension where men and women do have significant overlap. Chromosomes aren't even the most legitimate way to determine sex since for example you can have phenotypic females with XY and inactivated SRY who develop phenotypically much closer to a typical female, so arguably it's not the chromosomes that are the be-all end-all of sex determinism.

No. 2038085

>>2038061
Nta but I feel like the amount of times women who get posted here (cows and celebrities) get compared to men/trannies has also messed with everyone's head.

No. 2038089

>>2038085
Yeah and this is unfortunate because it's just people being rude to cows but some people internalize this and take it seriously. I occasionally see nonnas in the MTF thread get upset by comments like 'look at his giant male shoulders' or whatever and believe that people see them as male too. I think in reality the likelihood any woman is perceived as male for more than a few seconds in passing is near-zero (even for TIFs the number who pass for more than a few minutes or if they speak is very low) but some women really seem to internalize messaging about masculine traits.

No. 2038091

>>2038085
yeah the standards here for what constitutes "troon like" is anyone over 5'0 with noticeable shoulders. like people were calling megan thee stallion a troon.

No. 2038093

>>2038091
Nta but hell, even having any unconventional facial traits or structures gets you called a troon by some anons.

No. 2038127

>>2036628
Ancient Greeks were homos, more news at 11.

>>2036556
It just means you're autistic.

>>2037858
Tumblr is still great for art and niche translation projects.

No. 2038162

Funny how a company known for supporting the murder of LGBT individuals during WW2 is now platforming some random TIF. Of course it's delisted because they know people in non-woke countries would tear this shit apart.

No. 2038169

>>2038012
>>2038085
I am tall, broad shoulders, big jaw and brow. People will mistake me for a man, some will even think I am troon if I tell them I am woman. Yes of course if you look closely you can see female pelvis shape, less muscle mass on upper body etc but if I am in loose clothing the overall shape of my body seems male to some people. This doesnt make me any less female, and there is probably zero physical advandage over smaller women unlike moids have. But I dont like anons pretending like there arent people with traits that make their sex harder to determine to others.

No. 2038170

What are good resources about trans ideology? Or gender stuff in general. It goes without saying, but no conservative sources that rely on religion to make their point.

Fuck even a person who can talk me through this.

I’m just at the start of a horrifying realization that I’ve been supporting some fucked up shit for years. I’ve always felt like I was such a good person for supporting liberal/progressive ideas and that I was relatively intelligent enough to see through bullshit. I can’t believe I’m here at this point now, but I can’t go back. I can’t unsee it.

No. 2038205

>>2038162
wtf are those potato hips

No. 2038207

>>2038169
I hear as broad shoulders, big jaw and brow for a woman. Some people who pay less attention would see a man from a periphery/quick glance unless they take a closer look/be in a prolonged period with you

No. 2038211

>>2038170
Watch any interview on youtube by Helen Joyce and pick up her book Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality. Also, see the links here: https://www.transgendertrend.com/useful-links/

What are you actual questions about it? Im at work though so it may be while before I can comment again.

No. 2038218

>>2038170
https://shrimpfeelings.substack.com/p/how-a-social-justice-echo-chamber
https://newthoughtcrime.com/
https://haveyouheardabout.peakerscorner.org/cms/
https://theupheaval.substack.com/p/are-we-in-a-500-year-religious-revolution (This isn’t an essay about how transgenderism is bad because Jesus said so, it’s an essay about how woke ideology has become a substitute for having traditional religious beliefs among liberals)

It sucks to realize that you’ve been duped by a cult but I bet a lot of us in this thread were once in your shoes. I peaked 2 years ago and lost a lot of friends because I couldn’t keep my mouth shut about how bullshit trans ideology is once I realized it, but I’m OK now. I focused on some new hobbies and made new friends, and now my life is better overall (I still come here to vent because I’m at a very woke workplace with tranny coworkers and trans cult member coworkers who still drink the Kool-Aid).

No. 2038224

>>2038127
This fat chunky tard likes to believe that they and the Romans weren’t KEK

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No. 2038237

>>2037377
>>2038012
wow, some anons itt are being a little schizo. when did i say i was anything like a male? i am feminine, but no matter how much you try to pull out diagrams of skeletons it’s not going to change the fact i have a very small pelvis in terms of size as well as compared to the rest of my body. people can vary. the reason why dimorphism begins before puberty is because hormonal development begins from the very start, at conception. yes, what you’re saying is troon logic, because there IS crossover, and using narrow autist-level definitions is what makes retards feel as though they don’t “fit in their gender” in the first place. stop trying to gaslight people into believing everyone akshually always look like textbook for their gender. i am female because I am XX, that is all.

that being said, whether or not you disagree doesn’t matter to me much - what bothers me is the implication some anons have that cultural femininity stems from biology. those are completely different things.

No. 2038241

>>2038224
They hated women so much that they became gay. Sad!

No. 2038246

>>2038170
Also please read JK Rowling’s original essay about gender issues that she got canceled for, she’s been getting death threats and called a neo Nazi holocaust denier as a result of it.
https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

No. 2038267

>>2038170
It's very simple. You trusted men. If it isn't hated by men, it isn't feminism. And anything that isn't feminist isn't progressive.

No. 2038272

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Am I retarded or not getting something if I do agree that woman = somebody who identifies as a woman? Isn't it just basic gender study that woman and man are gender roles, and female and male are biological realities, thus a male can identify as a woman and technically 'be one' because gender is constructed from stereotypes and vice versa. That doesn't mean I support trans-identified men because it is disgusting that they take harmful sex-based stereotypes that is basis in the oppression of females and play dress up with them. I just think gender as a concept is retarded, especially how troonism enforces extremely conservative gender roles while trying to come off as progressive. I don't 'identify' as a gender because it's something non-innate that's imposed upon sexes, I just know I'm female. The enmeshing of gender = synonymous with sex that tranny ideology is trying to push is the most harmful and annoying part, because it's called transGENDER. Aiden is not a homosexual man if he likes males because he was born female, and sexuality is the attraction of SEX, not gender. Female that identifies as a man who is attracted to males is obvious heterosexuality and it actually drives me crazy when people are confused. It's honestly disheartening how fucking retarded people have gotten in terms of gender/sex, like FEMALE bathrooms accomodating males who identify as women, while sex and gender is a completely different concept. Sorry for the incoherence and if I restated obvious points, I'm just trying to figure it all out for myself.

No. 2038281

>>2036438
i think i get what you mean. new parents are more focused (or should be…) on rearing up their child and don’t have enough time or can’t bring themselves to care about like, making them a mini-me. no time for “fun” things. then they get into the swing of it and want to enforce cutesy standards on the new child that they couldn’t enforce on the last

No. 2038285

>>2038272
>Am I retarded or not getting something if I do agree that woman = somebody who identifies as a woman?
yes. female and woman are synonyms. woman = adult human female. you can’t identify as a woman because you can’t identify as female, you either are or you aren’t.

No. 2038290

>>2038170
>>2038211
Thank you!

>>2038211
>Why shouldn't I be kind to someone who is in pain and wants to be genuinely themselves?

>There are horrible people in every group, nation, organization, etc. This site is critical of trans people so it's not surprising that people cherry-pick the worst

offenders to support their stance. How is this much different than, let's say, some dumb racist or homophobic hate groups?

To be honest my biggest question is why I was so blind to the most egregious shit like the self-id laws and the horrendous consequences for women in prisons and sports? Why did I think that was fine? This isn't some whackadoo twitter nuts but INSTITUTIONS supported by the government and general public opinion! I was doing all the right things that everyone was telling me to do and I ended up supporting some dystopian nightmare shit. My deep desire to do the right thing led to that.

What the fuck.

No. 2038302

>>2038290
that would be the combo of female socialization (putting down your own rights and safety for a group that claims to be oppressed) and slowly being desensitized to how insane shit has gotten. the pipeline of "it's okay to call this feminine man a she because he's mentally ill and it helps him!" to "actually there is no biological difference between males and females and sex isn't real you fucking terf" comes for you pretty quickly, i don't care if it's an overused comparison but it's basically cult indoctrination to a T kek

No. 2038304

>>2038272
You will never be a woman, scrote(scrotefoiling)

No. 2038307

>>2038272
>>2038285
Woman = adult human female
Just like how you can't call a lioness a woman, because that's a female lion not a human. Can't call a hen a woman because that's a female chicken not a human.
Gender is retarded but so are you (OP)

No. 2038315

>>2038272
as other nonnies pointed out, "woman" is another word for "female", used to specify that you're talking about an adult human female. the fact that there are specific stereotypes and roles associated with that word doesn't change its original meaning. i really don't know what you're trying to ask or how to answer you other than like i'm talking down to a tard

No. 2038319

Reminder to stupid people: those on the fence or those willing to hear another side's arguments are the ones who you gain the most ideologically from being measured and calm with.

No. 2038325

just learned that the guy who made this song trooned out. bleak

No. 2038329

>>2038307
nta but there is no “lionnesshood” as an enforced concept like there is “womanhood”. I’d love if “femaleness” and “womanness” were ACTUALLY considered identical by society like they’re meant to be but throughout history women have been considered more or less of a woman regardless of the fact we’re all the same sex… Let’s be real. The reality is imo to abolish troonism we need to abolish the prevalence of gender stereotypes in the first place - make “woman” just mean “female” again, instead of a whole lot of other things on top of that - THAT is the cause of people “identifying as” or “feeling like” a gender, even down to the physical transition. TiFs don’t transition to be a male (that is impossible) they transition to be perceived as a man is in society. That much is obvious.

No. 2038334

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>>2038302
Female socialization? Fuck, I just thought that was being a decent human. I'm assuming that some of the sources provided by others will go into it more.

Thanks everybody for responding. This shit is horrible right now. No wonder lots of people who get confronted with this start to double down with the trans line. Having to really look into this is awful and I feel like it's all my fault.

Prob female socialization to blame myself too, huh.

No. 2038340

>>2038334
Peaking is something else, huh? I fell for all the gender id nonsense back when I used to use Tumblr back in the 2010s. I used to be sympathetic when I thought it was real but after looking at the many different trans subs on reddit and seeing how both tims and tifs talk about women (stereotypes, threats of rape, dehumanizing us, etc.) it was eye opening. Sometimes the best way to remind yourself that the gender stuff isn't real is to look in their spaces and see the things they say and write.

No. 2038341

>>2038290
>Why shouldn't I be kind to someone who is in pain and wants to be genuinely themselves?
It’s a question of how you define “being kind”. Of course you shouldn’t deny a man in a dress housing or food stamps or open heart surgery just because he wears a dress. But when trans ideology supporters say “be kind and let trans women into women’s locker rooms” or “be kind and let trans women compete in women’s MMA boxing” then they’re not asking you to be kind, they’re asking to invade women’s spaces and telling you to shut up and not complain about it - or else. Also, if you’ve ever had a friend or relative who’s addicted to drugs or alcohol, there’s a point when “being kind” becomes about cutting them off from their addictive substances, and they’ll hate you for it, claiming that they need the drugs or alcohol to function and make them feel better. For a lot of trans people, crossdressing, denying reality, and getting high off of validation and praise from supporters is like an addiction, and if you don’t feed into their addiction they will hate you for it (even if their addiction is hurting them). Heck, for TIFs, testosterone is literally a performance-enhancing drug (that causes bad long term health problems in women), so is it really “being kind” to encourage or enable them to continue putting it into their bodies?

>There are horrible people in every group, nation, organization, etc. This site is critical of trans people so it's not surprising that people cherry-pick the worst offenders to support their stance. How is this much different than, let's say, some dumb racist or homophobic hate groups?

That is true, but at the end of the day men are not women, and men can never become women, and it’s not hatred to speak this basic truth. Yet how many places exist on the internet or IRL where you’re allowed to admit this basic truth without immediately being called a hateful evil bigot genocide-supporter transphobic Nazi?

No. 2038351

>>2038304
Pretty sure this is just a woman trying to unlearn the cult programming. Please don't drive her away.

No. 2038354

>>2038334
yeah it's pretty shit, especially if you were really into it, even to the point of being a tif. but at least you're out, and, even though gendies shun people who have peaked, you now know that you can start thinking more freely and seeing what's actually going on instead of the lies they feed everyone, including eachother.

No. 2038360

>>2038334
You should read the book “Why People Believe Weird Things” by Michael Shermer, specifically the last chapter “Why smart people believe weird things”. You’re not the first person to fall for a cult or a scam and you won’t be the last. Michael Shermer also has a podcast called The Michael Shermer Show where he does some episodes about identity politics.

No. 2038362

>>2038272
>>2038351

I wouldn't be surprised if it was trash alien anon from the tif thread.

No. 2038371

>>2038341
>there’s a point when “being kind” becomes about cutting them off from their addictive substances, and they’ll hate you for it
Another good analogy: Gender doctors trying to treat gender dysphoria (which could be the result of a lot of different things depending on the person: internalized homophobia/misogyny, autism/OCD, body image issues, fetishes, etc.) with hormones and surgery is a lot like giving diet pills to someone with anorexia.

No. 2038378

>>2038290
Aw I'm glad to have you here anon, welcome

No. 2038381

>>2038371
Also, denying these treatments is different from gay conversion therapy because gay people don't require hormones and surgery to be gay; they just exist and date the same sex. In a way, transitioning is a sort of conversion therapy itself since so many trans people are lesbians/gay men who don't accept themselves. There are homophobic countries that only allow homosexuality if one member of the couple "transitions" to make it look like a straight couple (if someone could give sources or clarify which countries this is, that would be great)

No. 2038396

>>2038341
This all is so embarrassingly obvious reading it now.

Especially the second point, crucified for just stating a biological reality.

I'm going to have to look at all the information that I've gotten from trans friends and compare it to what anons have suggested here. I think one big fuck up for me was to just follow the "good" crowd instead of taking the time to fucking think for myself.

Even now I'm thinking of a friend who just doesn't "feel" like a woman. What does that even mean? I didn't challenge them on it because I thought it was some super special trans thing. But I don't feel like a woman ever. It's not a feeling, I just am. Just like the color of my skin or eyes or any other immutable quality. The only "feeling" I get around being a woman is how people treat me. So if people are treating me like shit because I am a woman, they need to change their behavior. This is hard since there are so many ingrained sexist expectations just day to day, maybe my friend took the easier route to escape. Instantly became so much more popular and supported. But at what cost?

No. 2038406

>>2038272
>Isn't it just basic gender study that woman and man are gender roles, and female and male are biological realities, thus a male can identify as a woman and technically 'be one' because gender is constructed from stereotypes and vice versa.

Even if "woman" the gender and "female" the sex are different, how could a male have the woman gender or a female have the man gender? If gender is a socially constructed set of stereotypes, it still isn't really an internal identity that you can pick and choose. Gender is the set of rules society imposes on you based on your sex. I can identify as a man if I want to, but I'm visibly female so I will never actually BE a man because nobody is going to truly treat me as a man, they'll treat me as a woman with pronouns. As a child I received female socialization and no amount of identifying as not a woman will erase that from my psyche. Even if I pass as male I'm still not having the experience of being a "real man", because men don't need to put in tons of work and effort to pass as male, they just naturally receive the "man" gender role because they are male.

Look at the way TIMs talk over TIFs and dominate every single trans space, and look at the way TIFs meekly allow it and apologize for their AFAB privilege. It's the same traditional man/woman social dynamic even if the dress code is reversed.

No. 2038420

>>2038272
The key issue is seeing “gender” as a meaningful concept at all. Yes, notions of gender are based entirely on stereotypes and social expectations: that’s why it’s bullshit.
A woman is a woman regardless if she presents herself masculinely or femininely. If gender is equal to the performance of stereotypes, then what is the difference between a woman who cuts her hair short and wears pants and a transman? The answer is the only difference is that one calls herself a woman, and the other calls herself a man. This distinction is purely superficial, because we can see these two women are otherwise identical. Similarly, even though a transman and a cis man both call themselves men, we understand the actual biological and social differences between these two.
Understanding that transgenderism is bullshit is about understanding that all gender roles are bullshit. We are socially shaped by the way we are raised in relation to our sex, and this does not change even if you change your pronouns.

No. 2038431

A YouTube singer with a huge trans fanbase made a song about how being GNC doesn't make him less of a man. I doubt he's fully gender-critical, but it's still a banger.

From the description:
>I was honestly torn between this idea and a different one (leaning toward the other) but before I could lock it in, I got into what can only be described as "A Long And Arduous Conversation With An Immediate Relative About How, Yes, A Man Can Wear Women's Clothing And Makeup And Still Be A Man."
>SO I just had no choice at that point.
>It's also made to address a similar sentiment I sometimes see amongst the fans, uncommon as it is…
I suspect a lot of his fans were assuming he was an "egg" or something. Note the gendies in the comments missing the point and still thinking their ideology is against gender norms.

My favorite lyric
>DYSPHORIA? I HARDLY KNOW 'ER!

No. 2038488

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>>2038431
Just found this in a Q&A he did. Song is still based though.

No. 2038492

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How do you clock troons? What characteristics/mannerisms set off your alarm bells? I'm an autist and I have a really hard time distinguishing facial features/dimorphic(?) features, but I want to know what to look out for. Even after lurking in the FTM and MTF threads for around a year now, I still have trouble, unless its the AGP's that put absolutely no effort into passing (e.g. balding old man with visible stubble wearing tight dresses). I struggle even when seeing them in real life and not just a perfectly posed/filtered selfie, because I just assume they are kinda ugly masculine woman/kinda ugly short effeminate men. For example, the troon in this video >>2038162 looks so much like a male and I have no idea what gives off that she's a TiF apart from the fact that the video was about her transition. The only time I could tell that someone was a troon was when I felt an overall "uncanny" vibe when I was around them but I couldn't exactly place what it was that felt incongruent about them, and I only figured it out a day later when they casually mentioned someone "misgendering" them in a conversation. I know the voice is also a telltale sign, but I also struggle with identifying the signature "tranny vocal fry" or if it's just a regular person that has a weird voice. Thank you in advance nonas

No. 2038493

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No. 2038503

>>2038488
I hate how creators always get asked this and they need to make a whole song and dance about it. I make games and I'm dreading the day this happens to me

No. 2038519

>>2038492
I also struggle with this nona. I usually look at shoulders/waist/facial structure and general online mannerisms when I'm transvestigating, it's a bit easier if I can hear their voice too. I feel bad about it though because I don't want to start mistaking women for troons just because to me they seem like one.

No. 2038522

>>2038503
Good luck with the games nona!

No. 2038537

>>2038522
Thank you sweet nona

No. 2038677

>>2038381
Iran is one example.

No. 2038712

This tranny I know is seriously claiming he's becoming healthier because of estrogen when he's killing himself slowly by doing that shit to himself. Fucking kek. Every time other people are having a normal conversation he just interjects with his mentally retarded bullshit and it's so painfully cringe
>>2033373
kek this is so retarded. treating taking cock and getting pregnant like it's inevitable in modern day just because you're female when you can literally just opt out unless you live in a shit hole country
>>2033864
I haven't nonnie



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