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No. 2550803
This thread is to discuss your grievances with gender ideology.
>What is gender ideology? Foundational to transgenderism, gender ideology is the belief that one’s “internal gender” can contradict one’s biological sex.
Gender ideology operates much like a religious cult. There is no scientific evidence that supports the notion that we have an “internal gender,” and yet doctors now medicalize and sterilize children with “transgender identities” who have been groomed by the cult. Anyone who does not reaffirm these delusions is labelled as a “transphobe” in order to discredit any dissenting voices of the cult.
Relevant threads:
MtF/Trans-Identified Male General
>>>/snow/2125031FtM / fakeboi / TIF general
>>>/snow/2121594Ovarit Archives
https://lolcow.farm/2X/res/38865.html#38865Resources:
Peak trans stories from banned Gender Critical subreddit:
https://www.saidit.net/s/GenderCritical/comments/54yt/gcs_peak_trans_archived/ Peak trans stories from Ovarit:
https://pixeldrain.com/l/JTwRJCYR “Listen to trans people” series:
https://x.com/marycatedelvey/status/1897370783816790064 “You told me you were different” TIM on TIF violence anthology:
https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=1E3552778745CA46FE01054D2886BB3DPrevious threads:
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I think this
https://suedonym.substack.com/p/inauthentic-selves-the-modern-lgbtqShould be included in the list of links, it’s genuinely informative on how the entire movement is backed by evil companies and billionaires and isn’t an organic people led civil rights movement - I think it would be hard for people to argue against when trying to peak someone because it goes beyond „trannies are misogynists and homophobic”
No. 2550953
>>2550855it was a rip off of one about gay kids suicide rates
all of their slogans are stolen
No. 2550969
>>2550803Slight language sperg but I hate so much how it's always "trans kids". It sounds so infantile and twee and creepy and burger-coded all at the same time. "Golly gee missus
terf I just want to be a trans kiddo and teat yeat!" Maybe it's because I spent a bunch of time in psychiatric care between about 10-16 (all pre-2015 though) but it feels so strange to bring things like suicide and self mutilation into the discussion while still fixating on this grossly inauthentic trans "joy". All their language is weird as fuck tbh like joy, euphoria, whatever
No. 2550974
>>2550969It's a blatantly calculating attempt to be palatable and sympathetic to normies. Kids are innocent and non sexual unlike a hulking 6'4 AGP named Lilith wearing mini skirts in the women's bathroom.
Also, troons are pedophiles trying to groom kids by becoming a """safe space""" for them to escape to from their evil transphobic parents.
No. 2551173
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Is it bad that I want to become religious just so people assume I’m anti-trans? I attract so many troon-crazy friends just by seeming progressive and laid back. I just had to hear a new potential friend go on a tangent about how TIMs who say they hate women have internalized misogyny.
I also think I’m less likely to be fired from my job if I’m religious rather than a regular TERF. I hear more vitriol from troons and their allies about terfs than religious or conservative people. I wish I could just be a public TERF.
No. 2551179
>>2550803I hate progressive circles so much, why is it that when someone talks about wanting to cut themselves they are given help and comfort but when they frame it through the lens of "muh gender" then they're
valid uwu poggers
No. 2551484
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i hate how trannies have colonized tomoko. she was really important to me as a highschooler because of how relatable and seen she made me feel. its just so retarded because no, you arent a cute young girl with social anxiety, youre a fugly male with wide shoulders, a horrible personality and everybody around you is scared of when youre gonna do a mass shooting. youve probably never touched an otome game or a bl doujinshi in your life and you have no desire to because youre a male! tomoko is for the girls (female) ONLY
>>2551199kek nothing is more peaking than being around a tranny personally, idk why they love homestuck so much now the fandom used to be like 90% women (mostly fujos) and now its like 70% trannies. i know a lot of the fujos probably became tifs but i have no idea where all these tims came from
No. 2551928
>>2551920I noticed that people have started yelling "
TERF!!" as a term for "woman I don't like"
No. 2551943
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>>2550887Kek was this troon seriously selfposting and trying to convince lolcow anons he's just a 'masculine woman'?
No. 2551949
>>2551499Yes, almost everyone except radfems and tradcath types is pro-surrogacy. Surrogacy is much more popular than trannyism is, even. Lots of LGB drop the T type gay moids also love surrogacy and think it's their 'right' to procure children via surrogacy.
>>2551920Why don't you try to befriend her or say something supportive of her before 'retreating'?
No. 2551951
>>2551943Damn how embarrassing to get caught, not just self-posting but lurking
terf boards as a troon too
No. 2551959
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>>2551953The lack of both an upper and a lower lip, in this case. Also never seen a woman grabbing her own boob like that for a mirror selfie but for some reason I see troons grabbing their own 'boobs' all the time
No. 2551994
>>2551943KEK these white tims always have the most insane uneared confidence, like you can tell he thinks he's the sexiest thing alive but he literally looks like he's missing a chromosome
>>2551959theyll never grab a real woman's boob so its how they cope lol
No. 2551998
>>2551173Being religious is also stupid af and extremely sexist. Just be a downlow
Terf like most women who are too scared to come out publicly.
No. 2552009
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>>2551484Relatable. I also have social anxiety and related to her as a younger girl, i'm tired of everyone i see with a Tomoko pfp being a tim, i'm tired of anything made with weird girls in mind being colonized by them. Same thing with other scrotes mischaracterizing her and making her into their weird coomer fantasies, she would never say what is written in this image.
God i hate scrotes so much it's unreal.
No. 2552030
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>>2552024nta but yes, but men love the idea of taming or otherwise reducing women into a housewife. also i always wondered how watamote could be so relatable for me as a woman, then i realized it's probably because the moid is being tempered by his female artist. she definitely co writes this shit with him.
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>>2552009I also love Tomoko and what a shitty person she is, especially in the beginning of the series. Having her be synonymous with troons in the present day is disappointing but expected. It goes beyond my usual disappointment of men taking things from women, it feels especially gross with her for some reason
No. 2552129
Thread pic is good but not for a thread pic. The only thing you can read when you scroll by is "protect trans kids" with the tranny flag kek.
>>2551998Obviously. What she's saying is that nowadays people give you less shit for being religious (and thus anti-tranny) than just a
TERF (average progressive woman who doesn't believe in gender woo). People respect opinions and arguments more if they're rooted in religious beliefs. Like people who fervently defend islam and then call women against porn or prostitution or puberty blockers fascist.
No. 2552161
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I truly hope trannies jump on Simone Biles for having the audacity to suggest there be a 'transgender category' rather than unquestioningly letting them into women's events. Does she seriously fucking think Riley Gaines would not be perfectly happy with troons having their own category? That is literally what all evil TERFs have been asking for this entire time.
No. 2552273
>>2552191It always comes back to racism with these people. They just can’t leave black women alone. If your movement can’t exist on its own without misappropriating misogynoir as your sword and shield for any and all
valid criticism, then it’s a racist fucking movement. That simple.
No. 2552423
>>2551943He probably wanted to screenshot nonnas telling him he looked female as a “see? You can’t tell” kek.
The philtrum area and general proportions of his face and box body give it away immediately.
No. 2552652
someone posted this guy in the other thread and i don't think he really 'passes', he's just the rare tranny that knows how to dress and do makeup
No. 2552806
>>2552161as a black woman, I fucking hate trannies. Sissy BBC porn watching freaks, I hope they all kill themselves! Hypocritical neo-nazi trannies, I don't know how the left worships them
most leftists are hypocritical trend hoppers Sick fucks always harassing black women and using our history to hide their bullshit behind! I hate them so fucking much
No. 2553444
>>2553260>>2552610Sexuality and race are definable, immutable, observable traits while "gender identity" is impossible to coherently define and exists only in the imagination. You can be same sex attracted or belong to a certain race, they are real states of being that actually exist, but you can't be born in the wrong body and you can't change sex.
Tbh I probably wouldn't bother making a genuine argument, gendies are impossible to reason with. The true answer is like "trans are perverted men or self hating women so transphobia is good and
valid hope that helps" but they won't like that kek
No. 2553506
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>>2553463Some pics for anyone who doesn't want to watch the video. I didn't screenshot a close up of it, but the fabric on his skirt is ridiculously thin, I think it (and probably the rest of his clothes) is from shien.
No. 2553693
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The New York Times has a new podcast out about trans youth healthcare called the Protocol. It is currently being reviewed bombed by TRAs and has a rating of 3.3 stars out of 5. I just started listening to the first episode but wanted to share with other nonas and open up a discussion for anyone who is also listening.
No. 2553741
>>2553693read through a part of the transcript for the first episode to figure out the tone. Reading through the first person who had puberty blockers makes my skin crawl, it's all so … generic. You want to play sports with other boys, you don't like skirts and you wear your hair short, and that's enough to make you believe that you are not a tomboy but are supposed to be male. And this belief at 12 (in supposedly the 80's netherlands) is enough to make you make a suicide note and … the parents put you on puberty blockers. I can empathize with the parents since you never want your child to be suicidal, but holy shit dude there is no mention of therapy anywhere in this process. By the time she does go through therapy session she'd been on blockers for years already, too little too late I'm sure.
>>2553703It doesn't seem to get into any surgeries and is mostly about the puberty blockers.
Something that jumped out to me is the following excerpt:
>To be eligible for medical intervention, the distress needed to be intensifying as puberty neared. But Annelou said that for most kids, their distress would dissipate around that time, and because of that, they should keep options open for as long as possible.and
>It’s not only the medical approach, but it’s the whole approach. So it’s psychological assessment, but also psychological counseling, if necessary, addressing really psychiatric problems, family difficulties, family challenges.So it seems to posit that the puberty blockers were not the miracle pill that it's not sold as (or miracle shot, whatever).
Honestly not surprised TRAs are not happy with this. I've found that a lot of the very vocal people that shit on JKR and the like are regurgitating quirky statements they heard one of their darlings say with no research whatsoever.
I can't imagine having a 12yo and not focusing on therapy before giving them medication that can affect their hormones permanently (it seems to be glossed over but even if you take them for a few years the podcast mentions worries related to bone density and such, which honestly sounds about right for how much they fuck with your hormones). If it wasn't for that honestly it seems pretty well done, not very biased all things considered.
No. 2553785
>>2553741First ayart, I’ve listened to 5/6 episodes. It’s a very high level overview of trans youth healthcare with a focus on puberty blockers and HRT. They skirt around most mentions of surgery to the point it is easy to assume no surgery is happening at all in this group. The negatives they mention are brief and mainly focus on fertility, or are attributed as a one off. It’s worth noting that the treatment protocol they outline in the first episode is specific to the Dutch and could not be adopted in the United States in the same way. The podcast does a pretty good overview of how it became the standard of care in the US and was modified, highlighting some basic issues that have arisen from that.
The second half of the podcast seems to focus on how politically charged and emotionally distraught the discussion now is. And that it is because of this landscape that it could be impacting the US recommendations for standard of care. There is some discussion of how the population being referred to seek care now is vastly different from the population the majority of the research was done on. And that we can’t totally discount the role that modern culture has played in these children seeking out care or impacting their view of gender.
It’s fairly matter-of-fact in its reporting but I got the sense that the reporters leaned more pro-trans than neutral. If someone didn’t know anything about the topic I could see them walking away from the podcast wanting more oversight and research but not being against transitioning children as a whole… The pushback and questioning anyone pro-trans receives is fairly light, especially compared to the questioning of some of the critics. Incredibly the people they interviewed still took issue with their words being misrepresented because the piece isn’t a total endorsement of the affirmation model. Overall, if you know absolutely nothing about the topic give it a listen, or want to potentially sow the seeds of doubt in friends and family members I would recommend they give it a listen too. I’ll report back with any additional thoughts sometime today when I finish the final episode.
No. 2553789
>>2553463>>2553506kek the way he thought just hiding his face behind hair would make people not know his male body is male because he's (
checks note) ah yes wearing pink and a skirt
No. 2553797
>>2553741> (I can't imagine having a 12yo and not focusing on therapy before giving them medication that can affect their hormones permanently (it seems to be glossed over but even if you take them for a few years the podcast mentions worries related to bone density and such, which honestly sounds about right for how much they fuck with your hormones).I haven't listened to the podcast but the article in
>>2550923 also mentioned bone issues as a common side effect of puberty blockers when used in patients experiencing precocious puberty (their original intended purpose) so it's not even something that's unknown and untested. It's a pretty commonly reported side effect and has been since before transness ever went mainstream. Doctors have always been well aware of this risk yet still prescribe it to any young girl who wants a short haircut. They are intentionally raising healthy kids to become lifelong patients. I can only imagine in the next 5-20 years there will be a lot of lawsuits happening if they haven't already started. I'm already starting to hear anecdotal stories of TiFs my age (mid twenties) with osteoporosis and heart problems. It's devastating knowing they probably would've grown up to be healthy, happy butch lesbians without all of this interference.
No. 2553898
>>2553785Ah, thank you! I agree with you that it definitely leans pro-trans, but true neutrality would be see as hate speech by TRAs kek.
> Incredibly the people they interviewed still took issue with their words being misrepresented because the piece isn’t a total endorsement of the affirmation model. God, I wish I could say I'm surprised but what a load of horseshit. Honestly I hope that people will see that logic does NOT work with these people, you give them an inch and they will take a mile and spit in your face. Looking forward to your thoughts about the miniseries, thank you nona!
No. 2553935
>>2553917That's what you get for picking a moid therapist because you projected a few bad experiences you had onto all female therapists ever.
>DBTchecks out lol, I think I know why your group is full of troons.
No. 2553969
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Seeing Simone Biles defend trannies makes me so sad, like you think she of all people would sympathize with women and how women are attacked and raped in private areas by men with ill intentions. She's so male centered and considering our time period I shouldn't be surprised.
No. 2554043
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I'm not even a native speaker of English but it really annoys me how troon ideology messes up the English language. Listening to a podcast and they describe people not by "a guy/man or girl/woman" but "a fem/masc person". It's so fucking retarded, they're literally reducing people to stereotypes of feminine and masculine like what the actual fuck how can they not hear how retarded and backwards that is?! Next they'll be saying things like "a person looking like they belong in the kitchen" to mean "a female".
And of course none of them see the irony in crying "there are infinite genders, not just two you bigots" and still defining everyone based one the two sexes stereotypes. Instead of letting people just exist they now have to judge every single person's physical appearance and how well it fits into current rigid sex stereotypes and fashion trends. Butch woman??? "She's masc- uhh HE's masc- no THEY're masc!!! Shit better ask so I don't get it wrong" instead of just accepting women can dress however they like.
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>>2554269
Go wash your beard.
No. 2554354
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>>2554103>He looks like an ffxiv elezen.KEK you're so right
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The trans agenda is in Japan's pride weekend. Sad
No. 2555158
>>2554074Definitely but it's not exclusive to gendies, I think it's related to the concept of inclusivity. Many people refuse to improve or face any slightly uncomfortable situation nowadays because they are "neuro divergent" or whatever is the latest trendy microidentity. You can't expect people to cope with certain situations by themselves anymore, you have to be inclusive and adapt to everyone, sounds good in theory but just not possible in practice because we aren't even talking about people with actual disabilities, just the average shy or messy kid who thinks nobody else gets him and everyone is expecting too much.
>>2554774Ask them if disabled people are born in the wrong body? Racial minorities with internalised racism? Conventionally unattractive people? Is that person claiming that we have a soul distinct from our body or is the argument less stupid that than? A ton of people hate their own appearance due to internalised beauty standards or mental disorders.
No. 2555362
>>2551943Out of curiosity, why do we think he was self-posting? Because the pic was hard to find?
When this image first popped up I read the caption and thought, “Let’s not engage in troonvestigating, we don’t need to tear down other women who might just look moid-ish.” But then I enlarged the image and it was unambiguously a man so it seemed pointless to say anything against it.
No. 2555754
>>2555694Nta but wanting people to look like they're children and have never gone through puberty is the actual pedophilic fetish, stop with the mental gymnastics. Obviously it's sad when
any woman transitions, no need for a meltdown every time an anon call a TIF her age beautiful
No. 2555800
>>2555694>nooo how am i gonna get an eye candy by looking at those perky juvenile tits and feel them when i touch them nooooNo one said this but you. If you read "all breasts are beautiful" and your brain translates that to "I want to touch perky juvenile tits,"
you're a pedophile.
No. 2556001
>>2555982Headcanoning it as a seething troon kek
Anyway I keep seeing tifs crying about how poor they are for not receiving free funding for their tit chops, or how hard recovery is. It's literally a (dangerous) elected plastic surgery purely for delusional vanity reasons, why the fuck should we feel sorry for you?
No. 2556073
>>2554774There are only two ways one could be "born in the wrong body" - either the brain somehow develops separately from the body (which it physically cannot), or we have immaterial souls that are gendered before we are born (this is silly).
No other type of discontent with one's body is taken as evidence of being born in the wrong body, and there is no logical reason to distinguish sex from any other trait someone might wish to change about themselves - height, race, ethnicity, number of limbs, etc. If you're having a conversation with someone, I would ask them this question:
>How is sex different from race such that someone can be born in the wrong sex but not the wrong race? They can't answer truthfully because there is no logical distinction. This was actually the question that forced me to concede that there are no "true trans," I think it's very useful.
No. 2556085
>>2553797The original intended purpose of Lupron was not precocious puberty but chemotherapy for prostate cancer, and it was also then used for chemical castration of sex offenders. The use in precocious puberty came later.
>>2555362Because it was posted with no context asking 'is this a troon or a woman?' even though it was part of a tumblr photoset where the rest of the photos make it extremely obvious it's a moid at first glance and the profile is open about being a troon. Why would any nonna just randomly post this image of a literal who asking if he's female or a troon? Seems pretty obvious it was a troon attempt at a gotcha or baiting for attention.
No. 2556124
>>2556011Yes I am, half of the pride people are foreigners. Go figure.
I know zero tranny Japanese but have seen horrid crossdressers, who knows if they ID as trans…see tons of tranny tourists. It’s really only a matter of time.
No. 2556311
>>2553917My absolute worst experiences with therapists have been scrotes. You have to shop a lot in general for a halfway decent therapist.
The whole field is absolutely fucked. In part probably due to troons
No. 2556366
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Saw a moid commenting about his receding hairline on women’s hair subreddits so I clicked on his account and saw him posting nudes from public bathroom stalls on porn subs. Made me curious how prevalent this is and it’s unfortunately very common. This is only a small sample. How the fuck are we supposed to be ok with this
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>>2556313>no mentally healthy male is dressing up in heels, miniskirts and thigh socksI think a distinction needs be made between men who dress in a more feminine way like picrel vs. moids who don items with strong fetishistic connotations like the ones you listed, as well as shit like fishnets, chokers, tube tops, etc. Men dressing GNC as part of a cohesive aesthetic is fine, moids wearing tacky crap based off of pornified stereotypes of womanhood is not. A lot of male models would fall into the former category, while troons and drag queens fall into the latter.
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>>2556406russell brand and jared leto paid stylists to put together their outfits and were considered style icons at one point, you can't use that to tell the difference
the genuine fashion moids are probably the stylists who know he's a creep but want to keep getting paid for their hobby so let them creep
No. 2556487
>>2556470This is so real and it’s doubly so for troons. I write and play music but I feel too embarrassed to share my my recordings most of the time. Meanwhile there’s a tranny on my friends list who I used to be friends with before they trooned out, and literally every mediocre “poem” or song that he shares is gassed up with “YESSSSS GIRL HOW YOU ARE SO PERFECT AND TALENTED MY MIND IS BLOWN HOLY SHIT”
Like fuck, I’d feel confident and amazing too if I had half of the fake hype these men get, it’s insane
No. 2556548
>>2556487I feel the same way nonna, I now have released several albums and played in public dozens of times but for the first few years after I started making music I was incredibly embarrassed to post recordings or perform publicly, especially post recordings online if they weren't professional level. Meanwhile I knew moids who were 1/10th as talented at me, absolutely sucked and had no originality or even skill at singing or playing instruments or writing music, who would post their shitty phone recorded videos or songs recorded on what sounded like their laptop mic all over social media and troll for attention, and they would always get a ton of praise and attention for it. Half the time it's just that women have shame and don't want to post subpar 'art' publicly while moids think they're amazing if they're above toddler level at something. And people just play into it and praise them.
>>2556534NTA but I think the issue is that there's a very narrow range of what qualifies as men 'dressing feminine' to most people without it becoming actual crossdressing and thus fetishistic. Like I would never have thought the way that fashion moid above dressed was 'feminine' since when people talk about men dressing feminine they usually mean actual women's clothing, skirts, heels, makeup, etc. and other types of clothing that are specifically regarded as 'for women' and usually signify women's oppression in a lot of people's minds (whether they're aware of it or not), or, at the very least, are designed for female bodies and thus look weird on moids. When moids dress fashionable I think it usually doesn't come across as feminine or GNC so much as flamboyant/artistic.
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I'm in an art group online, despite being libfem-y as all online art spaces tend to be it's relatively drama and tranny free minus one TIM who up until now has rarely posted in it so it really wasn't that much of an issue. For some godforsaken reason this morning he's decided to go on a full fucking sperg about having to shave so he can "post on a certain adult account" because he got fired and needs money for Deltarune. People are ignoring him which made him sperg out even more. God I fucking hate TIMs. I hope he gets sepsis.
No. 2556691
>>2556659I’m not saying it’s the whole reason - hence why I said ‘one of the reasons’, but if you look at it in the context of the other aspects - part of the agp or agamp fetish is being aroused by the humiliation and taboo of wearing feminine attire, which to them is equivalent to being a woman. Same with hsts in a way, a lot of them grew up envious of their female peers, not only because they wanted Kevin and couldn't have him, because they knew that femininity was praised in Jessica and Charlotte but scorned and mocked in them. Believe it or not, upbringing and school experience add to one’s view of oneself, and combine that with verbal or even physical abuse into adulthood for their fagginess, and yea, it does contribute. You can’t separate troonery from gender roles, thats why they transition into such stereotypes of what they think the opposite sex is like. It’s certainly one reason among many, but people who don’t conform to that shit should not all be mocked if they aren’t troons. This also just gives more troons fuel to be like “muh terfs hate any woman/man who doesn’t fit their mold and they kick butches out of female bathrooms”. You are literally going by the same rhetoric they do just flipping it on its head. Weird conservative take
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>>2556644Deltarune is 25 bucks on steam. If he does art he can sell like one art commission and get the game. He doesn't even have to be good at drawing.
No. 2556762
>>2556757>>2556731He's a Pole, I'm not sure what regulations they have for blood donation but I have a suspicion its more lenient.
>>2556754Exactly my thoughts, which makes me think he's either genuinely retarded or trying ruin everyone's day and get pity bucks and affirm his fetish while he's at it.
No. 2556776
>>2556707You are deliberately misunderstanding what I’m saying. I’m not saying we should be fine with fetishistic scrotes performing their fetish in public, I’m saying that part of (part of!!) the reason they do that shit is because of regressive stereotypes. You made a sweeping statement claiming all moids who enjoy dressing feminine have a fetish, and I responded by saying that the is the sort of thing that gives them fuel to transition. There is a clear difference between flamboyant fashionable men who are into women’s fashion, and men who jack off to their own reflections and if we outlawed troonery the second type would be forced into hiding like they used to be and not be as shameless as to display themselves in public. Furthermore, since anything deemed adjacent to women and womanhood is seen as lesser and underlyingly humiliating (including sex stereotypes and shit forced upon us by virtue of the male designated role of ‘the woman’), when a moid is more feminine he is mocked and hated for it, for throwing away his ‘innate masculine power’ and lowering himself by being like the lesser female sex. This is one of the reasons why tomboys are accepted but the opposite is not, why women dressing masculine is somewhat more accepted than the inverse. Of course, women also face a ton of backlash for not conforming to the male gaze and decorating and plastering our bodies with paint just to be beheld, but it’s more for this idea of us being silly women wanting to be some superior thing that we are not, rather than doing all that we can to be desirable, instead of any sort of notion of lowering ourselves from our female status. But generally female masculinity is more accepted societally than male femininity, and it is because of the man and the phallic figure being this sort of ‘god’ and central power and default that is the ultimate thing, so men who don’t fit into that mold or are feminine or flamboyant or whatever are throwing away that ‘awesomeness’ of maleness and that status and lowering and humiliating themselves like women. I also honestly think homophobia stems from this (people can’t conceive a samesex relationship without a male and female role, and if a male is playing a female role he is disgusting and debasing and lowering himself) and if we were in some alternate universe where homosexual men were seen as the pinnacle of masculinity, they would not be oppressed in the slightest. But if we keep on giving all this power to masculine and feminine being innate to us as humans and not just products of patriarchal conditioning and socialisation, we uphold the structures that allow troons to even develop those fetishes in the first place. The pornified aesthetics and body enhancements to them are part of the charm as well as imagining themselves as women, as they are part of the picture of femaleness that is projected in the media they view. If gender was abolished gender ideology would be too, and it wouldn’t matter what clothes you wore or how you presented yourself as they wouldn’t be tied to sex stereotypes. But plastering all men who dress feminine as being identical to these freaks is disingenuous and works backwards - I’d much rather a million Georges who know they’re men and dress from the women’s section than one Lilith who buys fetish gear online and thinks his euphoria boner about it makes him a woman who deserves to invade our spaces and force lesbians to enjoy his mouldy dick. The point is making the fetishisers ashamed, not shaming every single male who deviates from the norm and upholding those standards and stereotypes in the process.
No. 2556778
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>>2556759It's really context dependent so it's hard to explain - for example a gym bro with huge muscles might show them off - it's more about whether they're trying to take up space and force people to look at / interact with them or not.
This is an example of mori fashion in japan for what's feminine by our standards but doesn't come across as aggressive or compensating, but it's still around volume, pattern colours. They're men obviously. Japan has much more scope for men to explore with fashion but it's got very fucked gender roles anyway.
No. 2556806
>>2556776No, I'm really not deliberately misunderstanding what you're saying - believe it or not sometimes people just actually misunderstand what you're saying, or disagree with you. And you started with the rude tone accusing me of making conservative arguments when I was not. Anyway, now that's out of the way, I didn't make a sweeping statement claiming 'all moids who enjoy dressing feminine have a fetish,' in my comment you responded to I said I don't believe that any moids troon out because they were bullied for dressing feminine or wanting to dress feminine, except for child transitioners, so therefore I don't think that making it more socially acceptable for moids to crossdress will prevent adult moids from transitioning. I actually think it's the opposite - as men dressing explicitly 'feminine' became more socially accepted, troonism became much more common. It's hard to have this conversation without knowing exactly what you mean by moids 'dressing feminine' but as other anons said above, stuff like wearing kilts isn't even seen as dressing feminine so presumably we're talking about actual crossdressing.
>I’m saying that part of (part of!!) the reason they do that shit is because of regressive stereotypes. Yes, and I agreed with you about that. Except that in my opinion, troons all ENJOY the regressive stereotypes, and that is a major factor in why they choose to transition. I don't think men troon out because they hate regressive stereotypes and feel judged and bullied for just bucking stereotypes. What troons all seem to have in common is actual enjoyment into leaning into regressive, oppressive stereotypes about women.
>There is a clear difference between flamboyant fashionable men who are into women’s fashionWhat are flamboyant fashionable men who are into women's fashion - like do you have examples? I've never seen a troon who is fashionable, and I've never seen a non-troon male who is into women's fashion. Flamboyant fashion is not the same thing as women's fashion.
>if we outlawed troonery the second type would be forced into hiding like they used to be and not be as shameless as to display themselves in publicI don't understand what you mean. I am not aware of any actual laws existing any time in my or even my parents' lifetimes that outlawed moids wearing women's clothing. Going back to the early 1900s there were crossdressing men who crossdressed in public. They were socially shamed, but transgressing taboos was part of their fetish, and they were always technically allowed to publicly wear women's clothing.
>This is one of the reasons why tomboys are accepted but the opposite is not, why women dressing masculine is somewhat more accepted than the inverse.Exactly, like I said in my post. Which is exactly why socially shaming crossdressing moids does not contribute somehow to women being thrown out of bathrooms for dressing 'butch' - most people understand that women dress or act masculine because markers of 'femininity' are limiting or oppressive in some way, and therefore do not assume these women are sex pests or predators. Since sex stereotypes against women and specifically female-coded clothing largely exist to oppress women, moids skinwalking these markers of femaleness is seen as creepy and predatory. It doesn't actually go both ways.
>But if we keep on giving all this power to masculine and feminine being innate to us as humans They're not innate and that's the whole point. No one would 'innately' want to do something humiliating or wear something that hobbles or excessively sexualizes them, which is why males choose to impose the more humilitating and submissive roles and sex markers on women. This is why there is no moid who innocently, non-fetishistically crossdresses or skinwalks women either - they are men getting a kick out of playacting the 'humiliating' things they have imposed on women. We won't somehow get rid of men's propensity to do this by saying 'this is good actually, and it shouldn't be taboo.' If we want men to stop fetishizing these 'feminine' things we need to get rid of them entirely and stop making them normal for women to do, although moids will find ways to try to skinwalk women anyway, but it certainly won't help to make it socially acceptable for moids to do minstrelry of women.
>the structures that allow troons to even develop those fetishes in the first place.Moids develop fetishes about literally anything and everything, we will never be able to stop moids from developing fetishes. We can only socially shame moids for their fetishes to such a degree that they stop being seen as acceptable to flaunt.
>If gender was abolished"Gender" will never be abolished and cannot be abolished, because "gender" is just "anything that is associated with each sex." People will always find some way to stereotype the sexes, impose things on the sex they consider to be lesser, etc. The best way to fight this is to stop making the bad aspects of gender normal or acceptable for either sex, not to encourage moids to playact them as a lark. Troons don't just wear women's clothing or enact female stereotypes, they also try to skinwalk female sexed bodies themselves, by forcing lactation and breastfeeding babies, sticking ketchup-covered tampons up their assholes, pretending their IBS is period cramps, etc. You will never manage to abolish moids fetishizing the female body and anything that is associated with femaleness.
>But plastering all men who dress feminine as being identical to these freaksAgain, maybe this conversation would be more productive if you defined what 'dressing feminine' means.
>I’d much rather a million Georges who know they’re men and dress from the women’s section than one Lilith who buys fetish gear online and thinks his euphoria boner about it makes him a woman They all know they're men, nonna. The thrill is in pretending they don't know that. Men wearing women's clothes was never illegal in the first place, but you can't stop women from recognizing that's predatory and being repulsed by it.
No. 2556849
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I'm so sick of hearing this argument. Men will go out of their way to do things for sexual pleasure. Larry Nasar volunteered his "services" and chose to be an athletic coach to sexually abuse little girls. It's not like he waltzed in and easily molested hundreds of children. Just because a non-troon is a sex criminal doesn't mean that other men wouldn't take advantage of the social currency provided by being a tranny. I actually think TRAs are retarded at this point.
No. 2556860
>>2556849Moids will get good grades for years, volunteer at hospitals and soup kitchens, learn piano and violin to a very high level, just to get a chance to go to med school, be in med school for 10 years, go through clinic rotations and residency barely having a chance to eat and pee, just to become a gynecologist or pediatrician or anaesthiologist so they can touch vulnerable naked women or children. I have no idea why moids keep acting like we are all stupid and were all born yesterday with this 'why would moids go to trouble to get
victims?' schtick. Moids literally will risk getting put in prison for life or in some cases executed because they want to rape women or children. Them dressing up in a skirt and wig and and pretending their name is Alice is far from the most difficult thing a moid has done to get his rocks off.
No. 2556935
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post is more artist salt but I felt its more suited here.
sometimes I can just tell that an artist has an incredibly sheltered perception of troons, especially when they shoehorn TIM ocs often. It sucks when they could be genuinely good artist if it werent for the gender cult nonsense.
Some days I sincerely pray they come face to face (even digitally will immediately peak anyone kek) with a true and honest TIM and witness the depths of their degeneracy, completely unlike the tragic uwu image they have in their head.
I mourn the quirky eccentric female artists we couldve had that thrown their life away for superficial affirmation and asspats, most of the time they act exactly the same way as they were before transitioning only with fancy labels slapped on top and an insufferable personality
No. 2556939
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>>2556849its crazy how believing in this argument means going on circles, trying to pass women as rapists defenders, and including men who call themselves women, as women,
Also the bad faith and incorrect belief that if you condemn rapist trannies while recognizing their sex it means feminists are somehow okay with men being rapists as long as they dont identify as women
Retards
No. 2556976
>>2556849It's extremely obvious there's so much money in trans idealogy. It's shilled so much by anyone adjacent to influencers and celebrity. I don't even know why. I had one experience with a trans in the public bathroom at uni and he was just being a freak loitering by the sinks. Blue greasy scraggly hair in an unstyled/ungroomed ponytail in an awkward board shorts tshirt combo of primary colours (blue and green) honestly dressed like a male toddler. I stared him out until he left because I didn't expect him to fucking leave or have a woman's intuition to at least blast the hand dryer to give me a semblance of privacy.
Then I had to work with a 6ft2 man pretending to be a woman and it was just such a joke. We had changing rooms and no one felt comfortable when he came in and he didn't seem to understand either. Not to mention his outfits.
2 whole idiots trans I've met in the wild and yet they as a demographic have such a fucking monopoly on politics. It is mental
No. 2557081
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How do you nonnas tolerate TRA friends? Everyone around me is just preaching to the choir at this point about protecting trans rights and anytime anything JKR-related pops up they tear into her like rabid animals. I hate being forced to put up with handmaiden friends who I’ve only stuck with because of childhood sentiment. Do you guys have any specific tips on how to manage your anger every time your handmaiden friends dog on JKR or TERFism? Or maybe I should just do what I should have a long time ago and cut these stupid fucks off? Do you think a friendship is worth keeping even if your politics don’t align?
No. 2557090
>>2557081i cut them off. i cut off my TIF nb ex. i was scared to even deal with my friend who was handmaiden-y in some way (she brought up her nonbinary friend a lot…). i won’t talk to this moid friend who suddenly identifies as nb… i just can’t deal with them. they’re all insane in some way, and i can’t deal with that insanity. maybe some people have a high tolerance for it, but for me, that level of delusion is too much for my own sanity and i will not be expected to enable it anymore. it goes beyond politics… it’s like.. their lifestyle. it’s unhealthy. i don’t even want to think about gendie shit anymore, i hated having cognitive dissonance and doubting myself, feeling like i was a bad person when i was slowly peaking and i had my TRA friends.
i am constantly reminded of gendies through my hobbies, so nah… fuck having friends who remind me gendie retardation as well.
No. 2557116
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handmaidens gotta stop
No. 2557121
>>2557081I don't really tolerate TRA friends. I have casual friends who probably support troons in a casual normie way but it's literally never come up in conversation, but my good/close friends I have in depth political discussions with are not gendies or TRAs otherwise they wouldn't tolerate me. I don't pretend to support troons and am very rude about them honestly so my friends either agree or have to deal. I used to do what you do (sticking with people out of childhood sentiment/nostalgia) but then learned those people would brutally drop me over the most minor shit anyway, so I don't play that game anymore. I don't see why I should have to hide my views and put up with people saying all sorts of hyperoffensive shit in my presence because we go back so far when the same person would never in a million years do the same for me. My actual good/close friends from childhood or college accept me having my own opinions even if they don't agree with me and that's how I know they're actual good friends.
>Do you think a friendship is worth keeping even if your politics don’t align?Yes, if both you and the friends can accept the political differences and still view each other as good people. No, if that's not the case. There are certain friendships that survive political differences because you mutually have a lot of respect, love and trust for the other person, and because the political differences between you aren't deeply moral differences that make you morally abhorrent to each other, and those friendships are fine. If someone actually would believe you're a truly evil person if you told them your views, I don't think the friendship is worth it since you know deep down they consider people like you evil and morally abhorrent anyway and that affects every single interaction you have with them on a subconscious level.
No. 2557122
>>2557081I vent here, to online GC friends, and to my boomer mom. It's getting really old, though. My best friend trooned out last year and I've been devastated about it. I won't cut off my old friends because I think it's childish and unhealthy to do that, but I should probably make some new GC friends. The only issue is that I have no idea where I'd find some in person, since GC women are so often crypto due to violent threats.
I'm so worn out by all the gender stuff, I wish the fad would just die off already. Being angry at troons and ridiculing them used to be sort of invigorating, but these days they just exhaust me. It's like having a lolcow as a family member; entertaining at first, but incredibly draining long-term. They're fucking everywhere. There are two TiMs and four TiFs among my coworkers, with several others getting hired and quitting over the last few years. Two of my male friends from high school trooned out, and basically every girl I befriended through cosplay is a TiF now. Two girls from the block I grew up on are TiFs. Three of my brother's friends have trooned out. This is fucking insane, people can't honestly argue that this is anything like left-handedness when the gender cult forms such obvious social and generational clusters like this. It's incredibly isolating to be a nerdy, college-educated liberal under 40 who doesn't buy into gender ideology. Imagine if half the people you grew up with converted to Scientology, and you knew they'd cut you off and brand you with a scarlet letter if you breathed a slightly negative word about it. Then imagine your choices in political candidates are ardent supporters of Scientology or literal rapists who paraphrase Hitler. It's like a kind of slow psychological torture, watching everyone around you slowly go insane.
No. 2557127
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For nonnies who miss lurking ovarit, vexxed.org will become public tomorrow! ♥
No. 2557153
>>2556992>the evil has been defeated .jpgYou and I are holding hands in a field of sunshine, nona.
>>2557081I peaked my best friend, my other closest friend hopes for mass successful tif detransing in the future, and my parents solemnly shake their heads at delusional male antics with me. I don't know what it's like to be in your situation, but I can say it is really nice not being surrounded by misogynists at every moment.
Rather than suddenly cutting them off, find things to fill your time with, and then begin prioritizing these new relationships and hobbies over your gendie/TRA friends. This will create a natural distance that won't leave a big lonely hole in your relationship network. And then eventually you can stop texting them altogether.
>>2557127What is vexxed? Never heard of it until now.
No. 2557177
>>2557173It's the "sports" argument thing again. Their logic is that since TERFs don't believe men should be allowed in the women's divisions, we're saying women are inferior beings who are lesser than men.
My own opinions on sex segregated competitions aside, it's an insane extrapolation kek. It's like saying that someone thinks children are inherently inferior because grown men aren't allowed in little league.
Moreover, it exposes their very cynical and reductive worldview of "anything physically stronger or fit is inherently superior". I guess we should abolish all those disability laws and reintroduce eugenics into the mainstream opinion!
No. 2557221
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>>2557153The website where most ovarit members migrated to after ovarit's closure. It runs on the same software as ovarit and looks more or less identical. Without logging in you only see the announcement post like picrel rn, but once it goes public you will be able to see everything
No. 2557249
>>2557122It's insane how many people just troon out now. They will never have a
valid reason either. I feel like this will die down eventually, but we are still in the storm, and it's incredibly frustrating as someone very much into logic and science. I hate men, and I hate what the tranny cult has done to the world.
No. 2557254
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what i don't get is when tifs try to adopt the gay male gaze and get really into shit like picrel or read those ugly ass bara yaoi djs with beefy/fat men with tans, bald heads and hairy asses. like they don't really think this is hot, right? they're kidding, right?
No. 2557264
>>2557254Ironic how being your "true self" means having to mimic what you
think things liked the group your LARPing as. Barashit is definitely liked genuinely by gay men, but
not all of them do.
A penis-having gay dude who doesn't like bara is 100% more gay than a TIFanny pretending she does.
No. 2557286
>>2557276>>You can't experience such a thing as 'brain-body incongruence' kek. Your only experience of your body is through your brain. I think you are talking about children having fantasies or delusions, which is actually extremely common for children.This.
I would explain it like the way feral kids grow to show "animal" characteristics, sometimes from being abandoned and mostly for being abused and treated literally like animals, so they don't learn to speak and so on.
That's the same with telling a kid they are whatever you want, they don't have the ability to discern fantasy from reality yet. That's why forcing a child into believing a delusion is, and should be considered no matter what, as a serious form of abuse.
No. 2557292
>>2557279
>Again it's stupid to believe all children will get affected by the socialization. How does gncfags exist then?
Of course all children get affected by socialization, otherwise they wouldn't learn language, be able to walk, etc. Everyone is gnc to some degree or other, which is a normal part of human experience. Resisting aspects of your socialization which try to force you into an unnatural personality or behaviors that you don't enjoy is a normal part of development that 100% of all children experience to some degree.
>Lol what kind of sexed expectation makes them want to have a penis and beard?
Again it's called a fantasy/delusion and it's extremely common among children. All children have wanted to be something they're not, whether it's the opposite sex, a pirate, an animal, a unicorn, an elf, an orc, a robot, or whatever. That doesn't mean they are those things.
>There seems to be link between prenatal hormone exposure and brain sex.
Yes, because XX chromosomes typically make you female and give you a female brain and hormonal profile, while XY chromosomes typically make you male and give you a male brain and hormonal profile. So if you're female all your cells and body parts will be female, including your brain. If you are biologically female, your brain is also - surprise! - female.
>Which what seems to cause biology induced dysphoria
Why would a female having a female brain cause dysphoria? A female can't have a male brain, a female can only have a female brain.
>I said extremely gnc, hypermasculine/feminine.
What do those words mean?
>This isn't an argument.
Yes, it is. Saying you can 'experience brain body incongruence' is like saying something can be blue and orange at the same time or that you're walking on the sky. It's such a fundamentally moronic (and oxymoronic) concept that no one intelligent could entertain the idea for more than a few seconds.
>If they feel stressed by their natal gendered body parts and acting up pathological how it does not exist?
Feeling stressed is not an 'incongruence' between your body and brain. Your body and brain are, by definition, congruent. Feeling stressed is an emotion that you can feel for various reasons.
>No they know what body they have they feel it doesn't match with their identity. Feels "wrong".
So like I said, a fantasy or delusion. You don't have an identity outside of your body, your body is you and your body defines your identity. I mean unless you believe in immortal souls or whatever but still, for the time being, your soul exists in your body and can't experience shit without it.
No. 2557300
>>2557296
>I'm not a gendie kek.
>Immediately followed by saying a genderist thing
Sure, anon, sure.
>There are such a thing as male and female interests
Yes, sex stereotypes exist in every culture, you are correct.
>Why same people couldn't keep their bottom parts if it was about that?
What does amputating your body parts have to do with being 'gender non conforming' anyway? Amputating body parts has to do with having BID or schizophrenia, it doesn't make you more 'feminine' or 'masculine' kek it makes you insane.
>do the things that belongs to that gender.
So… the social roles? For example, the 'male and female interests' you just described above?
>Women enjoy their femininity which goes beyond things like makeup and glamour.
Women throughout time have been fighting sex stereotypes imposed on them en masse so it doesn't seem so, no. Yes, social roles imposed upon women are oppressive, that's the entire idea behind feminism.
>Females with high prenatal androgen exposure shows to have male pattern behaviour and brain patterns.
False, there is no such thing as 'male brain patterns.' Can you define 'male pattern behaviour' in this context?
>I'm not a TRA.
You clearly are, every single thing you have said is a TRA/genderist talking point.
No. 2557339
>>2557313
>Children aren't stupid or selfless as you think.
Children are stupid, and they definitely are socialized/can't escape socialization. Also the idea that 2 year olds (who don't even have a grasp on the two sexes yet) can somehow know they are the opposite sex is hilarious. Make-believe play and delusions/fantasies are a normal part of childhood development, to the point we don't even call them delusions in children.
>Which isn't a phase or delusion it seems.
By definition, thinking you're somehow the opposite sex is a delusion.
>There are women with hyperandrogenism which gives them mostly more male typical traits.
Kek no. I have hyperandrogenism and I am not 'male typical' in any way. PCOS is a disorder that affects only females, it is a female specific disorder.
>How do you define a female body though?
>They don't deny their natal sex though, they want to live as the opposite sex.
This has got to be bait/trolling kek. Gendie logic in a nutshell. 'What's a female sexed body? Also they don't deny their female sexed body!'
>It's not true that everyone is gnc to some degree or other
>Obviously no one is %100 feminine or masculine.
Another self-contradictory gendie take. Why is gendie logic always (two opposing statements presented as simultaneously true)?
>That's actually not how the chromosomes works. But I'm talking about atypical cases anyway.
Yes it is how chromosomes work, and there are no 'atypical' cases where a female brain is housed in a male body or vice versa. Your body sex is always the same as your brain sex, no exceptions. Your brain is part of your body and contains the same genetic material/cells as the rest of your body.
>Because there's a correalation between having more male like brained and dysphoria in females.
What is a 'more male like brain' kek? You keep being asked but you can't actually give an answer. How can a female brain be 'male like'?
>I didn't say feeling stress is incongruence, they show pathological behaviours and mental conditions due to not accepting their sexed body which leads to dysphoria.
Not accepting reality is a delusion, it doesn't make your brain incongruent with your body. Your brain is, by definition, congruent with your body.
>Which bothers them
Lots of things bother people, that's just how it is. I'm bothered by the fact I don't have wings and can't levitate, but oh well.
No. 2557349
>>2557326
>Then what does getting bbl, breast augmentation, mastectomy, ffs are?
Cosmetic plastic surgery. I don't understand the relevance of this question.
>Having a vagina is feminine having a penis is masculine.
Sure. Only females have vaginas and only males have penises. Wanting to have a penis when you're female doesn't make you male-like, it makes you a person who wants something they don't and can't have.
>They want to do them in the gender they transition to.
What are they transitioning to? You can't 'transition to' another gender. You also think you're being sneaky by defining gender as 'interests and roles that are masculine and feminine' and when someone calls those out as social stereotypes/social roles you say 'noo that's not what I'm referring to' even though it literally is.
>Femininity can't be imposed to women, they embody it.
In that case there cannot be masculine women or feminine men. You've just destroyed your own argument, congrats! If 'femininity' is just anything associated with being born into a female body, then all females are feminine and sex dysphoria in females is just another facet of femininity.
>Experessing your attraction to the prefered gender more aggressively, playing with male toys, peeing while standing, being more rebellious and taking more risky actions, being interested into more technical stuff could be name as some.
Kek so just really dumb regressive and false sex stereotypes, which you just admitted don't matter?
No. 2557373
>>2557365
The higher than average estrogen in PCOS typically comes from higher-than-average testosterone levels, since excess testosterone is aromatized into estrogens in the female body. This high estrogen level then often causes downstream issues like low progesterone, obesity, etc. PCOS is actually defined pretty clearly in modern medicine. Anyway, yes you are talking about PCOS, since you kept mentioning female hyperandrogenism, which is PCOS. There are some women with MRKH who also have hyperandrogenism but this is a very rare DSD that is also specific to the female body, I assume you're not talking about it since it's so rare.
>I don't have a typical female body: small breasts, flat hips, broad shoulders and pretty much every other features are male typical.
So what you're saying is you have a typical female body, but just not one that's aesthetically porny enough for your liking? Or you're a male troon calling yourself a female? I don't get it.
>No one conforms to gender stereotypes 100%
>No that's not true! No one conforms to gender stereotypes 100%
>Yeah, exactly
>No, what you're saying is so counterintuitive!
Kek.
No. 2557461
>>2557394
>Estrogen induced features are what is feminine features are. Males have the broadness, angularity, hairiness, harshness due to high muscle mass and low fat, lower body weight etc.
Okay but having "feminine" physiological qualities doesn't make a male person female and vice versa. A male with moobs is still a male, and a hairy woman is still a woman. "Female" is an individual of the sex associated with the production of large gametes. You cannot "transition" from producing small gametes to large gametes, you can only sterilize yourself. Marx himself pointed out that systemic misogyny is the means by which men control the "means of production," i.e., women, the sex who get pregnant. Because the oppression is motivated by reproductive physiology, reparative measures must specifically address sex.
I have no idea how using medication and surgery to enable someone's delusions comports with the Hippocratic Oath. There is literally no other form of body dysmorphia we do this with. We don't give amputations to people with body integrity dysphoria. We don't give liposuction to anorexics. We don't give "affirming" surgeries to therians. Gender is seemingly the only delusion we enable instead of treating the underlying psychiatric problems causing the delusion, because I guess scientists in the gender movement have some kind of weird hubris thinking they can change a person's sex. You can't. No human being in recorded medical history has ever produced both eggs and sperms. It's a fool's errand and just as much a waste of resources as producedures attempting to change a person's race or species.
No. 2557481
>>2557470The
>which includes feminine rituals which are caused by womens own behavioursIs what really did it for me. Femininity includes feminine rituals caused by women's own behaviors. That's a circular definition.
No. 2557482
>>2557466Femininity can be anything associated with females, because it is cultural and sociological. In a world where being born with a vagina means being treated like a sexual object at best and property at worst, yes, suffering is part of the female experience. However, it's not the only part, and the objective of feminism is to make suffering not part of the female experience. But in order to solve that problem, you have to acknowledge it, my dear Tiffany.
I'm not sure why TiFs come to this explicitly women-only site if you supposedly consider yourselves heckin'
valid manly men. Or is imitating men who disrespect women's spaces part of your boyLARP? It doesn't really work as well when you're female, you know.
No. 2557531
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since a previous nonna asked how we feel about having TRA friends, what do you think about people who date gendies/troons?
case in point: one of my male acquaintances suddenly came out as bisexual about a year ago and has gone on about having a 'boyfriend' for a while. we aren't super close, but i looked at his account at random and it turns out this 'boyfriend' is just a tiny asian tif with a short haircut. i personally don't believe most of these men who date tifs actually fully believe in gender ideology, they just want an easy fuck and tifs will go along with anyone who plays along with their delusions. same with tim chasers.
as a lesbian i despise when people who date gendies call themselves gay or bi, it's literally a straight relationship. it's taken all my composure to not tell him to stop calling himself and his tif a 'gay' couple.
No. 2557541
>>2557531It depends on the situation. You brought up moids dating TIFs and claiming they're men - I think these moids are not chasers but men who are taking advantage of a woman's mental fragility. Incels even talk about finding TIFs on grindr because they're 'easy' compared to normal women and will have anal with men who pretend to be gay while normal straight women are much less likely to do that to themselves. So when moids date TIFs I assume it's predatory, and they're looking for someone vulnerable to control and take advantage of.
When women date TIMs, I'm confused. I understand trans widows didn't know their husband was a TIM when they first got married, but I know a handful of women, including a supposedly GC woman, who dated and even married TIMs knowing they were TIMs from the beginning. I can't for the life of me figure out why they do that, it seems like some sort of savior complex or something. Like this type of woman wants to date the most unwanted deranged type of moid as charity or something. I also agree that both these types are extremely offensive when they claim to be gay or lesbian, and I think at least part of why many of them do it is because they feel like their actual (straight) sexuality is not 'special' enough. The type of people who do this often want to seem different and more special than everyone else and get special treatment/oppression points. That's another reason why some women in particular may date TIMs and claim to be lesbian even when they are normal straight women.
When it comes to moids dating TIMs I think it's fairly self explanatory - they're GAMPs/chasers, usually AGP themselves or deeply closeted, repressed gay men. When lesbians date TIFs they usually end up trooning out too, but I often just assume it's because so few lesbians aren't gendies these days that they have to date somebody.
No. 2557615
>>2553693There is a podcast called Informed Dissent and they have two episodes where Jaime Reed, a trans clinic whistleblower who was interviewed for 'The Protocol' talks about the "The Protocol"
Episode 27 reviews the first two episodes. Episode 28 reviews the entire podcast.
Episode 27: Dissecting "The Protocol"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SVJ9_HWUyEEpisode 28: Jamie Reed Responds to the New York Times's Podcast, "The Protocol"
No. 2557671
>>2556898Nah I've seen some shit artists sell their stuff for more than 25 bucks. He's on an art community he can draw like some random anime character holding a tranny flag for 25 easy.
Or just draw porn. Idk he just wants to show his nasty butthole.
No. 2557821
>>2557808Just look at that crazy bitch in the OP image for the MtF thread in /snow/. Every woman I've known who went out of her way to date TiMs is a Luna-tier nightmare bippie who would happily debase herself for a scrap of woke validation. People like that don't think rationally, you basically have to be
as mentally ill as a TiM to be willing to date one.
No. 2557841
>>2557822This is not the most fair comparison. A lot of men are with obese women because they got fat after pregnancy and illness and shit, and they are at least somewhat attached to their wives/gfs. And there are just as many fat men as fat women anyway, a lot of couples are just two fat people. OP was asking why people date mentally ill people who claim to be the opposite sex knowing they're crazy beforehand, not why they date unfortunate ugly people. If you're talking about moids with feeder fetishes then I agree it's kinda similar, although still not exactly because many TIFs are actually fairly conventionally attractive.
>>2557821I know a woman who is like openly GC, like posted publicly about being GC on her social media and frequented r/GenderCritical back when it existed, who married a useless jobless TIM. I've known her since we were teenagers and she never struck me as a nightmare bippie, she has her life together (the troon male doesn't), graduate degree, good education, interesting job. She also seemed to have a thriving social life outside of her relationship and they were not all ultra-leftists that she was friends with. Those are the people where it really makes no sense to me, like you got fully married to a moid just to be woke when many of your friends aren't woke and you're publicly 'GC' and say
TERF shit on your facebook? I just don't get it.
No. 2557861
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I was just chatting with an old friend in uni a few days back and found out her middle school friend was a lesbian turned tif. Don't worry, she doesn't like troons just like me, and we made fun of honter together.
My friend told me how delusional her tif friend was, at first the tif was a lesbian for years and one day she decided to be a tranny with plans to titchop and cut her uterus but her plans fell thru because of insufficient funds. The cherry on top was the tif telling my friend (a medfag herself) that she wants to have children with her long-term partner. My medfag friend asked her if she was using a sperm donor but she said no, the tif was going to have a baby with her gf naturally?! She said women can have children together with a success rate of 30%.
When my friend asked her where she got this info from and which country did this applied to, the tif went silent.
I told you nonnas, these troons are so far from reality and drunk on gender nonsense. I will report back to you nonnas, if i heard more milky news about the tif when my friend got back.
No. 2557929
>>2557903I live in an ultraliberal city with tons of troons (probably as bad as Cali tbh) and somehow I have a lot of
TERF friends, but I was the one who had to kind of 'come out' as gender critical first. It only works with people who you believe to be somewhat reasonable to begin with but a lot of people are possible to convince, I even peaked some friends who were super gendie before. If that's too risky you could either try to find people on the internet somehow or just send out very vague feelers with people you know, like saying slightly gender critical but 'innocent' sounding things in private and seeing how people react.
No. 2557930
>>2557541Some of the women who date TIMs are the same who would date ugly/fat/spergy men – women who have bad self-esteem or who like feeling like they're out of their partner's league or who want to date guys who are desperate out of a vain hope that loser men will be more grateful and loyal (never happens).
More funny, though rarer, are the types who date TIMs because they're gendies themselves. These women are rarer, but I've seen a number of them who have "gender envy" where they want to be some kind of male they find sexy, but instead of wanting to be an anime boy or soft boy or hot metalhead or redneck trucker, these girls want to be clocky drag queens. They have a kink for crossdressing men and want to be/date a drag queen, so they end up dating TIMs. Some of these women (the most mentally ill) are basically just Kikomis where the type of man they want to be is a TIM (though they're not allowed to say that they view TIMs as men, it's obvious – this is the kind of "cis woman chaser" some AGP TIMs whine about, because the women are attracted to them BECAUSE they're clocky crossdressers, not because they actually see their TIM boyfriends as dainty anime waifs, it hurts their egos).
No. 2557935
>>2557929NTA but that's awesome. I think sometimes you just have to find a way to post about being a
terf and gnc, because if you dont straight up saw it, no one comes to you. I wear Harry potter merch almost on the daily and it feels like a calling card, so not as many tras approach me.
No. 2557950
>>2557903I dont live in the states but I live in a country that's a little conservative and im so glad that most of us are aware and can openly criticize trannies without any reapercussion. The term
terf here is a relatively new concept, and not many people align with those values exactly, but its a relief that we havent gone too woke and drink the gendie koolaid
No. 2557953
>>2557935I didn't really post anything much, I mostly did this irl by having in-person private conversations. I also posted a few pseudo-terfy things on social media but kind of to plausible deniability level, honestly I pretty much never use social media so it wasn't a great strategy for me. I think in person you're less likely to get cancelled for it at your job or whatever and people are more likely to be honest. When I first peaked I started out by telling my bf I peaked, he was like 'oh yeah you're totally right,' then I told my best friend and she ended up agreeing with me, then I started talking to my closer circle of friends, and once most of my inner circle of friends all agreed with me then we just all started openly talking about it at bigger parties and whatever so no one feels comfortable ganging up on us if there are several of us all talking about troons being creepy moids and not falling for TRA bullshit. The toughest was peaking my second-best friend who was a gendie herself, but she was also lesbian and when I very gently started asking questions about moid entitlement to lesbian spaces and sexuality she opened up and started peaking herself without me even bringing it up.
To add to that, the way the 'talking about troons being creepy at larger parties' thing works is that most TIFs and normies who support troons actually tend to be very timid people irl who will just go rah rah trans rights on social media because they think it's the right thing to do but if you start talking about creepy troon moid shit irl most of them are genuinely too scared to say anything but they will hear what you're saying and start thinking about it. The way TRAs always seem to 'win' in social situations is by ganging up on the lone person who seems like an apostate, so if there are multiple of you they are at a loss for what to do. Try at your own risk around violent-seeming TIMs though, I don't have any of those in my friend circle anyway so I was fine.
And to specify what I meant by posting 'plausibly deniable' stuff on social media, I would post about specific TIMs who were creepy and doing criminal things (like at the time Jonathan Yaniv) which would cause people to look up these sex pest moids, or like when they banned r/GenderCritical and other subs from reddit I posted about how reddit continues to have a million woman-hating porn subs but shut down all the female-only subreddits. Some people on social media got mad at me for this but I just acted 'innocent' and stuck to the topic, kept asking 'why is it transphobic to call out a pedophilic sex predator?' or 'why is it transphobic to have subreddits about female-only health conditions or for same-sex attracted women?' and all the TRAs could do was seethe and call me a
TERF and I would just say 'what's a
TERF? I don't understand' until they gave up kek.
No. 2558021
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Vexxed is up for lurking!
https://vexxed.org/ No. 2558079
>>2557952>The people who drink the troon kool-aid just get dumber and dumber.This is true of every gendie I've personally known or been aware of. There is such an obvious mental and moral decay in every TiM and TiF as they go further and further down the path and it's so weird to me that it's just there where everyone can see it but TRAs just kind of ignore it.
My little brother is still pretty pro-troon and has tried to give me a hard time for reading the Strike novels but I know for a fact there a number of toobers he lost all interest in after they trooned out. He tells me it's because their content became too 'niche' but I know the little fucker is just as physically repulsed by them as I am.
I'm willing to be proven wrong but I'm rather confident there isn't a single public facing tranny that hasn't noticeably declined after the trooning began.
The truth is, I'm just pissed off that Terry and his thread stopped being fun because of this shite.
No. 2558198
>>2558079I'm starting to think that as well. Like they start out dumb, mentally disturbed, creepy or whatever, but after they troon out it gets progressively worse. It has been likened to a drug addiction that requires increasingly big 'hits' to feel the same reward and I think that explains a lot of the mechanics of the 'mental and moral decay' you mentioned after trooning out, plus the fact that the insane levels of cognitive dissonance it takes to actually try to believe so many self-contradictory things and obvious lies really takes a toll on the psyche. A lot of women who were just casual handmaidens/libfems to be nice describe the feeling of 'lightness' that they experience after peaking - now imagine being an actual troon who's going through all the medicalization and imagine how heavy that feels on your psyche (as well as physical body). You're literally destroying yourself in real-time while trying to convince yourself you're feeling better every day. This would mentally and emotionally break most people.
I have some friends who were semi-peaked before but who decided to go back to being handmaidens because 'the community' (whichever one) was too important to them and every single one of them has turned into more of a mess over time just from regularly interacting with troons and trying to believe their weird bullshit, to the point some of the friends are almost unrecognizable. They go from a person who could have a conversation even if you disagreed, to getting hysterical, anxious and emotional over even the most minor differences in opinion. It's just too much cognitive load for most people to live under that level of delusion and still be mentally healthy, which is probably why you also see a lot of trutrans/"dysphoric" TIFs turning into such misogynistic spergs after a while. They need to viscerally hate and revile all other women to maintain their delusion that they're different somehow and the arguments they hear against them don't actually apply to them.
No. 2558255
>>2557531Lol, I experienced the same. Dude tells me he has a boyfriend… boyfriend is a woman.
I felt duped. I have to say, I felt the whole time confused that he would date a guy, something seemed off, but then, seeing her, it made suddenly sense why it felt off.
No. 2558271
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Found out something new today bc of a Clinical Trail art account.
It's a lable…for not having a lable
No. 2558275
>>2558271Those people have too much time on their hands.
On one side the flags are all annoying (except the rainbow one) but on the other side they are practical to weed out the shit since people like to use them in their profiles.
No. 2558293
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Not to be an asshole about someone’s death, but I just saw a news article about a hair stylist/“beloved daughter” whose body was just found in Denver after being reported missing for 2 months.
This is the “daughter” in question:
No. 2558492
>>2558292Even shit like Alien Limb Syndrome isn't a true mismatch or disconnect between the body and the brain, it's just a brain issue where the brain is for some reason creating distress and neurological issues about the body it is, in actual fact, connected to and in control of. So it makes the troon argument that somehow the brain is 'mismatched' with the body no more compelling, because these troons never admit their brain is just malfunctioning and therefore causing distress about normal body parts, they always act like their brain is 'correct' in somehow perceiving the body as alien. Like they can 'not match' somehow. They do match, your brain maps onto your body, if you had a 'male' brain in the womb you also wouldn't have developed a female body plan since the two are inextricably related. I just don't know why they are so dead set on insisting that the brain can be separated from the body somehow or the two can be 'not matched,' or if you feel mental distress about something normally functioning in your body it means your malfunctioning cognition is actually in the right and the normally functioning rest of the body is wrong.
>>2558283Mulan according to the story didn't even want to cross dress and didn't remain male after the war was over, she went back to presenting as female and married and had kids. I like how they will even headcanon people who were forced to cross dress against their will as troons.
No. 2558531
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what does this even mean?
No. 2558539
>>2558492>I just don't know why they are so dead set on insisting that the brain can be separated from the bodyThis is actually a holdover from earlier internet/tumblr era mentalities, you would see a lot of disconnect in younger women blogging about their "stupid bodies" or feeling as though their "meat bags" couldn't keep up with the superior intellectual organ that is their brains.
I wouldn't be surprised if this sort of thought process only added fuel to the trans ideology fire.
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I hate when my nail polish is chipped and I forget to wear my tight crop top out on the trail. I can’t hike ten feet without a man inviting me to his bbq as a fellow man. Really takes the wind out of your sails nonnies.
No. 2558785
>>2558281that is interesting because I always thought a lot of TIFs were rape
victims or people who had trouble upholding boundaries, and would get into pronouns as a really obvious way to set a boundary and see if people respected it. But I guess they still pick overbearing disrespectful men to date in the end.
No. 2558812
>>2558492>I just don't know why they are so dead set on insisting that the brain can be separated from the body somehow or the two can be 'not matchedIt's a cultural remnant of Christianity and Catholicism in the West. They were the first to posit that the soul (the true essence of a person) is something separate from the body and the only thing that matters. It's easy then to convince people to throw away their lives in holy wars if their bodies are nothing but a vessel for their "immortal souls".
Enlightenment just replaced soul with brain. It's now entrenched in western culture to think that the brain, the true essence of a person, is separate from the body and that the body is nothing more than a vessel you can do whatever you want with. But instead of throwing it away to fight in wars, the inferior body is something you can "customize", hence troonism.
No. 2558815
>>2558807If you've been in the tif threads on /snow/ (or seen some of the crossposting here), you may have seen posts from tifs who get placed in men's shelters. Long story short, they are keenly aware of the violence males can inflict on them as women (despite being true men-) and freak the fuck out.
Tifs do NOT want to be in male spaces, and even the most hardcore larpers don't seem to venture beyond fujo/fandom and into true fagmale spaces for pornography or socializing. They occasionally post into gay male subreddits for ~validation~ and get promptly bullied out, so it seems they only willingly enter male spaces when it's can be done with as little effort as possible.
No. 2558843
>>2558840Not really, modern science does not 'separate' the body from the brain at all. It's generally considered the seat of the 'mind,' yes, but also of the entire body, even at the most basic 101 level. That's considered a funny and archaic way of thinking about things since it's now pretty much taken for granted that the brain is inextricably linked to every single process in the body and is in a constant feedback loop with the rest of the body. Even the idea of 'androgens in the womb making my brain biologically masculine' depends on physical processes outside of the 'mind' supposedly having a direct influence on your brain.
I mean I don't disagree that's to some extent probably how troons are treating it, but it's not how the brain is thought of by mainstream society or by scientists. It's another woowoo belief they are imposing on something that isn't generally thought of in a woowoo way and then acting like the woowoo belief is normal. Modern understandings of science posit that the brain and body are not separate, and when the brain is dead the body is also essentially dead. We even kill people who are still breathing and have a heartbeat for organs because they are 'brain dead' and therefore considered for all intents and purposes really dead. So if the brain controls the entire body this seems like an extremely UNUSUAL belief for troons to have that the body is actually 'misaligned' by the brain and a wrong brain was inserted into their body by mom's womb. Also a belief that directly contradicts the mainstream scientific understanding, while claiming it is 'true proven science.'
No. 2558847
>>2558831>>2558836Yep, all my personal tif cows are heavy into the kink/poly scene. One of them bragged on their blog about having group sex with strangers at a festival, it seemed so bleak.
After the past few threads in /snow/, I really am convinced there is self harm present in every tif's life. For a lot of tifs that won't go beyond top surgery, they seem to utilize their sex lives as a way of continuing self harm.
No. 2558880
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pedophile
No. 2558931
>>2558880>"when a toddler describes reality no one questions it, UNLESS the toddler is wrong about reality"Yeah no shit??
>"nobody feels like a girl or boy"So close to getting it. There is no fucking "feeling like" your sex. I don't "feel" like a brunette or "feel" like a medium tan skinned person, what the fuck does that "feel" like? That's just physical reality described.
No. 2558975
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Why is it so hard to condemn individual men for compromising women's sports for their own gratification? Just passing the buck and saying it's all in the hands of the governing bodies doesn't really hold much water if a large part of why the governing authorities have the bad rules in the first place is because of pressures and threats leveled against them by these men and their supporters.
I can muster some sympathy for retarded groomed moidlings with narcissistic parents and predatory teachers but acting like no teenager is responsible for his actions sounds like a perfect recipe to raise a generation of morally empty psychopaths.
No. 2559012
>>2558975>I was not advocating against women’s sportKek she can’t even stand on what she said.
I hate black women like her. Trannies always throw us under the bus at any chance they get, in fact their favorite ploy to support males in female’s sport is “if black women can play then trans women should too” and they love bringing up Serena Williams at any chance. Fuck them trannies , they can all die.’
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Trannies will literally kill women. Medical misogyny is a very real thing and saying that we shouldn’t have “women’s healthcare” is exactly that.
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Wanted to warn nonas the BP thread was locked about an hour ago (which I support), so be ready for a massive seethe and sperg in this thread. and probably /ot/ in general
No. 2559478
>>2558975Kek they are calling her a
terf on bluesky
No. 2559486
>>2558975I think it's kind of a good sign that she's backtracking, shows that the tide is shifting if she felt the need to do this. She's still an idiot though and fuck her for the things she said to/about Riley Gaines, who has 100x more spine than her.
>>2558880Apparently when I was 2-3 years old I vehemently and consistently insisted that I was Wendy from Peter Pan, to the point my parents said it was embarrassing because I kept correcting people who called me by my actual name kek. Should they have affirmed that I can fly to Neverland too?
>>2559194AYRT and she didn't un-peak afaik, she became GC when she was already dating him (and he was already trooned out) and she was open about him being mentally unwell. You're right there's probably more to it than I understand, since it's not like I knew everything about her life, but everything she did say made her seem mentally normal and well-adjusted and confident in her views. She was even the first person who publicly stood up for me against troons on social media. I know she used to have very low self esteem and think that she was fat and ugly, but she seemed to have gotten over that and was very attractive too. Very strange. She has not talked to me since shortly before the wedding though, so I hope she's okay.
>>2559404This is exactly my experience too. They never seem to hang out with moids but since their other TIF friends are 'guys' they feel like they know men and have a mixed-sex friend group kek.
No. 2559502
>>2558880Adults don't "accept" a 2yo as a boy because the child declares it. They recognize the boy's sex. How do you feel like a boy or girl or neither, especially if it's intuitive, innate, and self-driven like the troon says? Is it just based if you want to be a boy or a girl or neither? Can you have an innate gender identity you don't want? Is it possible to mistake a gender feeling for another? How can you tell?
>>2559412Uterus owners sounds clunky. Hmm if only there were a word for the type of human with a body made to have a uterus and produce eggs?
No. 2559543
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any anons like fixing up bathroom graffiti? came across a sharpie covered up “trans women are men” and decided to help restore it to the original message
No. 2559587
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>>2559543can progressive morons stop using this whole be kind bullshit? enabling misogynists isn't kind. supporting an ideology that tells people that there's something wrong with their body and to self-harm isn't kind. letting kids be groomed and permanently injured isn't kind. imagine being a kid and actually being told directly and indirectly by everyone that your body is WRONG and you must take hormones and try to change yourself to fit in and distance yourself from what sex you actually are.
this whole be kind shit is behind the prison abolitionist movement and letting violent criminals get away with hurting people. your ideology is shit if it's just based around being kind. it actually feels like a psyop at this point.
>>2559513troons see bodies as possessions and plug-and-play meat robots to customize. very sad mentality.
No. 2559704
>>2558604>>2558534>>2558550I thought those were oc's bc of the blank character wtf.
Shame on me for not thinking bout tumblr hate thread.
Thank you nonas
No. 2559724
>>2558880It is scary to think that people with medical training are using their platforms to say retarded shit like this. Children are sponges for cultural messaging and gendered socialization begins from the moment they are born. They are born into a world where everything from their nursery wall color to their onesies are informed by the expectations of their sex. This idea that children are magical blank slates that just discover themselves by toddlerhood is so absurd it is shameful a doctor would peddle it. But this is the same doctor who was lambasted for putting a 12 year old girl on testosterone, so it is not very surprising she is retroactively justifying the decision that jeopardized her career.
>>2559587I have been fed up with this Disney adult "be kind" shit for years. It feels like everyone just randomly decided to stop thinking and ceded all their decisions and opinions to whatever the cultural zeitgeist has determined is The Good Person Position. It is such a vapid, nothing slogan. Be kind to whom? And why? What does "being kind" even mean? In my mind, it is not kind to encourage your loved ones to compromise their health to chase a fantasy, so what are we even talking about here? I really think this sentiment is what has driven a lot of normies to vaguely accept trannies despite clearly knowing nothing about gender ideology. I just don't get why they were so quick to turn off their brains.
No. 2559728
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>>2559724She actually was suspended last year for misconduct (lack of informed consent to several adolescent patients) but she's been un-suspended on appeal. Diabolical.
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is it that serious
No. 2559784
>>2559412>'Women' was invented to put down the owners of uterusesSo woman means owner of uterus, so we can call it women's healthcare, glad she cleared that up. Are they really trying to act like 'uterus owner' is less dehumanising than 'woman'?
>>2559728Wtf. This should be spammed in her replies. These people are seriously mentally ill, they don't care to help children they just want to troon them out as much as possible
No. 2559797
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kek
No. 2559828
>>2559796All good I do that sometimes too (respond before reading all the new posts) kek. But in this case I don't think she was asking in good faith, although I know some people do ask about trutrans in good faith.
Regarding the south and east asian transsexuals, it's interesting that most of them don't actually consider themselves women anyway. Like Thai ladyboys usually don't get the dick chop and will admit they're not women, although they don't exactly call themselves men either. It's much different than western transsexualism and seems more like an (exploitative) social role for people who otherwise would just be considered flamboyant gay men in any other context.
No. 2559835
>>2559550>>2559541Honestly, I've seen TiFs that fit both descriptions. In my experience, the lesbian ones tended to have some kind of past trauma, while the straight ones were some type of alt or nerd. A lot of ana-chans (straight or gay) end up becoming TiFs, too. It seems like any girl with trauma or who wasn't a normie WASP queen bee type is liable to get sucked into the cult. Here's an overview of TiFs I know:
>Nerdy, tomboyish, alt girl raised by liberal, non-religious parents. Straight, oldest of two. Her first serious relationship was extremely unhealthy. Transitioned at 25.>Latina raised by conservative Catholic parents. Straight, only child. Overweight, shy, and nerdy. Transitioned at 17.>Nerdy but highly feminine shy girl raised by wealthy, conservative Catholic parents. Straight, oldest of four girls. Transitioned right after moving to college.>Socially maladjusted homeschool kid raised by evangelical parents. Straight, anorexic, no IRL friends, no hobbies outside of social media. Transitioned at 18.>Promiscuous but nerdy girl raised by wealthy, liberal, hippie parents who went through a nasty divorce. Bisexual, oldest of two. Transitioned at 17.And those are just the ones whose back stories I know. There are several more who I only know superficially through work, college, etc.
No. 2559846
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>>2559587you're not wrong abut it being a psyop. in my experience it's always usd to shut down criticism, especially on women where if you say anything vaguely negative you get labelled a mean bitch.
victoria smith (uk gc feminist) has just published a book about how the "be kind" bullshit is used to shut women up, i haven't read it yet but it seems to be on point (picrel)
No. 2559850
>>2559835I know too many dozens of TIFs to list out like that but that sounds similar to a lot of the ones I know. Most were not raised in religious backgrounds, but I don't know all that many people who were or at least they're a minority of the people I know. Many I know transitioned in their twenties but that might be because I'm a bit older and transition wasn't common when I was a teen. I think there is a huge overlap with EDs, autism, trauma, but also just being socially retarded or extremely shy.
>>2559846It is on point and I've been saying this to anyone who will listen since I was a teenager. The emphasis on being 'kind' always just hurts the people who are kindest or want to fit in most by forcing them to 'do all the work' of making everyone else feel bad, while the least kind and most aggressive people always get whatever they want. Women are socialized to be kinder so women bear the brunt of this no matter what the specific thing you're asked to be kind about is.
No. 2559923
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you know what's really fucked up is that I always thought feminine men were really hot. then I spent my teenage years hanging out in social circles with troons. now I get repulsed most of the time I see overly feminine men because of the experiences I've had, the way so many of these guys act overentitled and socially domineering towards women, beyond even the limits normie masculine men would typically go. I never want to have to put up with that shit. They cannot take "no" for an answer. You can't even retreat to women's spaces to escape them. Good luck ever trying to tell them if they're acting misogynist. because even if you do it nicely they'll blow up at you for indirectly invalidating their gender. (Women can be misogynist too, but even saying that is not good enough for them. Their guilty consciences betray themselves.)
Plus they have all these disgusting fetish fixations derived from porn about women. They do not act feminine. they act like disgusting misogynist wankers wearing costumes. they're akin to the "submissive" kinky men who objectify dominatrixes (there is a massive overlap here). This experience has made me hate men so much more, because I realize that the superficial aesthetics mean nothing. Misogynist men will act entitled to women's subservience, whether these men are wearing a suit or a skirt. The moidness still shines through.
In the first place, I fantasized about fem guys because I thought they'd be nicer to women since they aren't confining themselves to the harsh male gender roles. But what really matters is what's inside. It's not something that can be bought at a store, worn on a shirt, or taken as a pill. They pick and choose which aspects of gender roles they want to follow. Their outward attire doesn't mean they reject all the detrimental aspects of their male socialization. Being a straight woman in this gayass world is really annoying. Scrotes are such homosocial weirdos that even when they try to identify as the opposite sex, they're still only referencing male-created myths about women.
picrel is part of a tweet from JKR
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>>2559923I really like sensitive feminine guys too. The tranny cult is the bane if my existence.
No. 2559996
>>2559728>south Wales ValleysUnshocked. Despite South Wales being pretty rural and full of old people and the remnants of a dying coal mining industry with very little prospects for young people - the amount of troons I see around here is really very high. At least one every time when I go to town which is pretty high imo. And it's 100 percent hons no HSTS. The one who works at my local theatre is a curved spine brickhon who wears the worse red lipstick and has the classic unwashed hair. They all do. It's like a uniform.
And this isn't Cardiff or anything which does have a lot of ugly troons as well but that's expected. It's a big city. But this is like small town village where I live so I find it even more odd that there's so many troons.
It only enforced my thoughts that troonism is an epidemic born out of too much online and being bored/dissatisfied with nothing else going on. Because there's not much to do around here for a young guy if you aren't kind of a classic lad who likes sports/drinking.
No. 2560019
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>>2559923Big same. When I was a teenager I was super into hair rock guys. Now whenever I see a man wearing lipstick and high heeled shoes, I gag because I'm reminded of all the AGPs plastered all over the internet. I still really enjoy men with long hair, but I'm wary of dating them now because I worry that any man growing his hair out is a closeted or future troon. Makes me so angry, I wish I could time travel back to when it was common for men to have long hair and they weren't all brainrotted from overexposure to internet porn.
No. 2560048
>>2559923>>2560019There's a contingent of troons who will never pass as women but glow up pretty good for trying and I every time I see one I think what a fucking waste it is.
I wish GNC men were real.
No. 2560064
>>2560048>glow upIn my experience they look either worse or the same. Whatever gains one of them occasionally makes from doing things like shaving, applying lotion, and improved hygiene are outweighed by the perversion and narcissism that radiates off of them. Plus even the HSTS ones tend to have horrible fashion sense and botched faces.
Moids keep wondering what they can do to attract women, and instead of asking actual goddamn women, they consult faggots on /fit/ or PUA Reddit. They think every woman wants a 6'5" bodybuilder millionaire, when in reality we just want a guy who takes care of himself! Y'know, in decent shape, not a porn addict, employed, good hygiene, nice hair, healthy skin, and not mentally ill. Moids think that their options are to either be Chad Thundercock or be a worthless slob, it's so annoying. It's no wonder they think trooning out is the only third option (it isn't, they're just retarded).
No. 2560197
>>2560129I'm sure there are TIFs out there who are the youngest, but I think the parentification of oldest daughters has a tendency to make teenage girls particularly frustrated with gender roles. I know of a few oldest daughters who left Mormonism in part because of that. I know one middle-child TiF, and I came dangerously close to trooning out even though I'm the youngest in my family, so it's not a hard rule.
The more striking pattern to me is that all of the women listed are nerdy or shy in some capacity. What do nerdy kids do? They spend all day online, while normie kids are out playing sports or socializing. Premature exposure to social media seems to play a role in kids transitioning, probably because they get exposed to adult troons through fandom bullshit on Tumblr, TikTok, Reddit, etc. How often do Chads and Stacies troon out, genuinely? Have any of you nonas seen a queen bee at your school get a tit chop? Something tells me the answer is no.
No. 2560241
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No. 2560331
>>2560243Both of the comments in the screenshots are right.
They want to be her, but better. They want all the attention.