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No. 2444792
This thread is to discuss your grievances with gender ideology.
>What is gender ideology? Foundational to transgenderism, gender ideology is the belief that one’s “internal gender” can contradict one’s biological sex.
Gender ideology operates much like a religious cult. There is no scientific evidence that supports the notion that we have an “internal gender,” and yet doctors now medicalize and sterilize children with “transgender identities” who have been groomed by the cult. Anyone who does not reaffirm these delusions is labelled as a “transphobe” in order to discredit any dissenting voices of the cult.
Previous threads:
>>>/ot/2373578>>>/ot/2351915>>>/ot/2290853>>>/ot/2252408>>>/ot/2191693>>>/ot/2121106>>>/ot/2097274>>>/ot/2037097>>>/ot/1991983>>>/ot/1941872>>>/ot/2405643Relevant threads:
MtF/Trans-Identified Male General
>>>/snow/2080821FtM / fakeboi / TIF general
>>>/snow/2069705 No. 2444794
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>>2444792I prefer the CWC version.
No. 2444798
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I hate how troons try to steal the word “butch” from lesbians, like no peter you arent a masculine woman youre a man using glasses to hide your hunter eyes and you have a stubble and a defined jaw
No. 2444803
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>>2444794i had no idea that was the original image lmao, i was going for the “troon seeing himself like a cute anime loli but in reality is a smelly hairy moid” vibe, like pic rel
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>>2444803No, the original is a painting by Norman Rockwell. But the theme lends itself easy on the tranny fantasy.
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>>2444803If this was my son, I would bully him about never being a woman, disown him, kick him the fuck out into being homeless, and (if in young enough) just start over with a daughter.
(ai outside of containment) No. 2444927
Kek love the threadpic
>>2444798Same. Being butch for them is basically just putting no effort into trooning out
No. 2444933
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>>2444798>defined jawWait, so it's TYPICAL for women to have less defined jaws? Phew, I thought my face was just fat.
No. 2445233
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This story made me laugh.
San Francisco preacher fends of trans-identified male who pulls gun on him over gender commentshttps://thepostmillennial.com/san-francisco-preacher-fends-of-trans-identified-male-who-pulled-gun-on-him-over-gender-comments?utm_campaign=64470>While preaching on the streets of San Francisco on Wednesday, an apparent transgender woman pulled a gun on a preacher after he said, "God made men to be men.">According to the Daily Mail, the incident occurred near 4th and Market Streets, with 37-year-old Christ’s Forgiveness Ministries Pastor Kevin Kihara preaching to passersby about being less like "somebody you’re not.">"You need to try being less like somebody you are not and start to humble yourself and be somebody God made you to be," Kihara said. "He didn't make a man to be a woman, he made the man to be a man. He didn't make the woman to be man, he made the woman to be a woman and this is the truth." No. 2445466
>>2445233Zooming in on this image made me kek out loud
Look at the preachers frightened but laughing face, seeing how a such a simple phrase brought out immediate anger in the troon, its like he couldnt believe his eyes. he pulled out a gun because someone calling him a man (which he is) made him feel like he was in a life or death situation.
Also look at the indirect and poorly handled way the troon points the gun at the frightened preacher, showly how truly insecure he is, even at his most violent state.
Also look at the differences in clothing, the preacher looking like a normal passerby and the troon dressed up like a hot topic prositute in a white 30 dollar wig that is only being held up by that big ass hairclip
Its like poetry
(learn2integrate) No. 2445497
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No. 2445553
>>2445497I hate that respectful memes account so bad. like genuinely every cell in my body hates that account. he just has to pander to troons and gets 5 panzillion upboats and its not even a meme
Its like that one meme where lois is like “911. is bad.” and everyone cheers for it
(learn2integrate) No. 2445933
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They're peaking her hard i'm sure. An update on the womens only gym from last thread.
No. 2445951
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Im so tired of zoomer trannies. Im actually debating if I hate them more than 60 year old AGPS because they obviously have some mental health issues like early onset dementia or something like that.
>>2445772Learn to intergrate ban over one tab space lmao. Its so stupid. I know its a 4chan theory, but I wonder how much jannies are secretly trannies abusing vague rules
No. 2445983
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>>2445933This is so bleak. I see myself in her. I hope she doubles down doesnt buckle for the troons. I hate entitled troons so much. Isnt it funny how suddenly troons dont care about minorities once one comes for them? Its like they see all minorities as fellow wah wah im oppressed club members and get shocked when they call out their bullshit.
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>>2446008samefag but yeah nvm lol. very easy easy to see why people like this end up trooning out
No. 2446027
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>>2446017redditors trying not to say "god isnt real" when somebody mentions having faith
No. 2446029
>>2445983>How are they going to check?!So does anyone else ever wonder if they REALLY believe they pass? Or do they 100% know everyone on reddit is lying to them and they are the picture you see when googling gigahon? Kek also
>are they gonna look at my GENITALS?>WILL THESE WOMEN IN THIS WOMAN RUN GYM BE LOOKING AT MY PENIS??Okay we get it, log off before getting carried away with your fantasy rp. I'd remind you to wash your hands but that sentence means nothing to you.
No. 2446039
>>2445983I fucking can't stand how racist gendies are. Some of the most beautiful, feminine women I have ever seen have been women of color. The fact that they think the average black woman looks anything remotely like the average predatory troon makes me want to scream.
>hOw WiLl ThEy KnOwwhen they know EXACTLY how they will know. Even on the highly unlikely chance that there's somehow a tranny that isn't instantly clocked the fuck out on site and is able to predate on this women's exclusive gym eventually the little psycho will inevitably flap his paraphiliac gums about how he stealthed his way into a place filled with vulnerable women and the owner would have the legal protections in place to sue the shit out of Lilith and put him on a sex offenders registry where he belongs.
The more likely tragedy is the trannies are going to sick their biologically female flying monkeys on the gym and get it cancelled because the owner of the gym will help the handmaiden with her form and she will report back to her troon masters claiming she molested her or something.
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lol
No. 2446083
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This is about the youtuber The Authentic Observer, I ended up on this reddit post about her (I don't agree with her on everything, but I still like her content sometimes) whether or not you like her or agree with her on anything is irrelevant here though, the fact that this post says
>She has an archaic view of femininityAnd troons don't? LMAO.
https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthankrayt/comments/y77llv/anyone_here_who_used_to_watch_the_authentic/ No. 2446191
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>Yeah no bro youre good we cant tell
No. 2446196
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>>2446152He heavily edits his videos/photos anyways. But it’s kinda funny he was more feminine pre-HRT than his ex, who was a TIM who had been medically transitioned for several years kek.
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>my life if they stop putting billions into tranny research and billions into PCOS research
No. 2446205
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>>2445983>see troon talking about black women>oh boy>always the most racist posts i've ever seen outside of pol but it's okay because trans>without failI literally don't have to come up with reasons to dislike troons, even if I just disliked gender ideology on the basis of racism I'd have endless material. Why the fuck would I want to be with people who think like this kek
No. 2446215
>>2445983>societal acceptance of violence against themWhite trannies accept violence against anybody who isn't a white man like them literally look at
>>2445233 or the video of the obese tranny harassing the black woman in her car and calling her a trump voter (???), they're all horrifically racist
No. 2446219
>>2446205>When TiM does something racisttroons: noooo even if xhe is racist you cant misgender him i mean xim thats transphobia noooo!!
>When black person says something "homophobic"troons: How could he be so oppressive!? Theyre are literally a slave
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>Local troon comparing "twansphobia" to black racism for a talking peice
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tweaked an edit originally posted here
>>>/snow/2098948repost because i fucked up the link
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>playing a multiplayer video game
>new player joins the server
>their character looks like it was inspired by cavetown, clearly has some "silly gremlin bug boy" theme going on
>keeps making awkward unfunny puns and bringing up viral tiktok music
>check profile
>sex stated as male
>pfp is some yaoi bishie
repost because i'm retarded and keep making typos
No. 2446299
>>2445349And women with PCOS never have the same amount of hormones as literal men. These retards have no qualms about them or menopausal women or
poc women, specifically black women. It’s disgusting.
No. 2446303
>>2446196If you see his gait he moves like your average scrote kek. A tranny in real life almost never passes, there’s always something off even in the most passing one. Women and men have different skeletal structure, fat distribution, baricenter.
Try this nonnas: try to guess the sex of the person in front of you by just how they move kek. You’ll be correct in most cases.
No. 2446311
>>2445983I know that he wanted to write “those fugly black women are so manlier than transwomen, they should just shut up!!!” Kek. Fuck you and your
poc solidarity racist piece of shit.
Black women need to be more transphobic aka realistic.
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Posting this here because it's a more fitting thread than the reddit one but this was a comment about the Girl Spot gym.
No. 2446336
>>2446316checked the account and its a pornstar.
theres excessive editing so i cant tell if its just a really botched woman or a genuine tranny.
pick me'ing at its finest. funny her sensors know enough to defend the biological man first
No. 2446377
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>>2446361Contrapoints is the most well-known shorthand to describe this pipeline. They usually turn into a sassy female black demographic twitter bot or pretend to be a Lara Croft-type professor when comparing their plight to slavery or racism. If they aren't too walled for filters, they'll "ironically" post images like picrel. Sometimes the ability to get away with that and still receive praise/coom, is the only reason they bring it up in the first place. Why
wouldn't a coomer dress up as a tranny nazi hooker and compare himself to black women when all he receives is praise, money and positive attention?
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>>2446169>>2446137Turns out that in order to be able to point out that the emperor has no clothes, you have enough privilege to weather the outsized social fallout. Which is to say, you have to be male. Rowling's positions are milder than a lot of GCs, especially male ones, yet the amount of blacklash against her from TRAs has completely dwarfed the cancel campaigns of any other "transphobes." The comparison's been made, but the South Park guys are richer than JKR and their opinions of troons are way nastier, yet they get off nearly scot-free and still have many trans fans. The only moid I've seen TRAs target as hard as women is Jesse Singal, and that's because they feel particularly threatened by his well-researched, data-driven work.
No. 2446552
>>2446514Spot on. Why do you think that trannies hate female “terfs” more than they hate male "transphobes"?
They only want women to see them as female to appeal to their fetish
So when one woman calls them out troons go haywire because they are secretly jealous of her naturally producing estrogen body and natural femininity
Think about it
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>>2445983If anyone is upset about this post, just know that OP is going to ack soon because of his countries puberty block ban. god bless
No. 2446585
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>Trans witch
No. 2446621
>>2446585>identify a witch>Section I >Section I examines the concept of witchcraft theoretically, from the point of view of natural philosophy and theology.[63] Specifically it addresses the question of whether witchcraft is a real phenomenon or imaginary, perhaps "deluding phantasms of the devil, or simply the fantasies of overwrought human minds".[64] The conclusion drawn is that witchcraft must be real because the Devil is real. Witches entered into a pact with Satan to allow them the power to perform harmful magical acts, thus establishing an essential link between witches and the Devil.[64]
>Section II >Matters of practice and actual cases are discussed, and the powers of witches and their recruitment strategies.[65] It states that it is mostly witches, as opposed to the Devil, who do the recruiting, by making something go wrong in the life of a respectable matron that makes her consult the knowledge of a witch, or by introducing young maidens to tempting young devils.[65] It details how witches cast spells, and remedies that can be taken to prevent witchcraft, or help those who have been affected by it.[66]
>Section III >Section III is the legal part of the Malleus Maleficarum that describes how to prosecute a witch. The arguments are clearly laid for the lay magistrates prosecuting witches. The section offers a step-by-step guide to the conduct of a witch trial, from the method of initiating the process and assembling accusations, to the interrogation (including torture) of witnesses, and the formal charging of the accused.[67] Women who did not cry during their trial were automatically believed to be witches.[68]…
>The first argues that witches do in fact exist, sorcery is heresy, and not fearing witches’ power is itself an act of heresy. Part Two goes into graphic detail about witches’ sexual deviancy, with one chapter devoted to “the Way whereby Witches copulate with those Devils known as Incubi.” An incubus was a male demon believed to have sex with sleeping women.>It also describes witches’ ability to turn their victims into animals, and their violence against children. The third and final part gives guidelines on how to interrogate a witch, including through torture; get her to confess; and ultimately sentence her.So nothing about physical attributes or any kind of transvestigation, just copy/pasted demonology from the catholic church, from a clergy member of the catholic church but femicide, instead of regular genocide like always. Wait until this coping faggot hears about Isabella of Castile
>The Spanish Inquisition was founded in 1478 to combat heresy and maintain religious uniformity within the Spanish kingdoms, particularly targeting Jews and Muslims who had converted to Catholicism but were suspected of secretly practicing their old religions. No. 2446639
>>2445983Where is this
WOC solidarity that troons always spurt everytime a non-white woman doesn't want to play their stupid games? I don't here taking a stand against violence against
WOC EVER, infact, these are the same cunts who cry that feminists are a bunch of negative nancies all because they dared to mention stuff like fgm is a problem. I am sick of society making these stupid men feel so bold and comfortable enough to wag their gums about how we need to be giving them preferential treatment at all times. I want to see them make their own troon gym, there's enough troons with money to make it possible.
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>>2446621samefag I was reading more and this part sounds the most relatable, to a troon
>This is shown too in the woman who falsely accused Joseph, and caused him to be imprisoned because he would not consent to the crime of adultery with her (Genesis xxx). And truly the most powerful cause which contributes to the increase of witches is the woeful rivalry between married folk and unmarried women and men. This is so even among holy women, so what must it be among the others? For you see in Genesis xxi. how impatient and envious Sarah was of Hagar when she conceived: How jealous Rachel was of Leah because she had no children (Genesis xxx): and Hannah, who was barren, of the fruitful Peninnah (I. Kings i): and how Miriam (Numbers xii) murmured and spoke ill of Moses, and was therefore stricken with leprosy: and how Martha was jealous of Mary Magdalen, because she was busy and Mary was sitting down (S. Luke x). To this point is Ecclesiasticus xxxvii: Neither consult with a woman touching her of whom she is jealous. Meaning that it is useless to consult with her, since there is always jealousy, that is, envy, in a wicked woman. And if women behave thus to each other, how much more will they do so to men. No. 2446707
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>>2446654Trannies are often chronically online racist retards that dwell in the same places that chill literal white teenagers and underage Asian prostitutes as "peak femininity" because of "muh fair skin, small youth body, and tight vagina", so naturally trannies have this idea that any woman who doesn't fit their swayed perspective on what a woman should look like is basically "masculine" to them. This is how you get trannies who think women with "apple bodies" are super masculine and "just like them". God forbid a woman is taller than 5'6 too. Trannies will say she's "masculine presenting" too.
No. 2446721
>>2445983>her institution is a non-safe space for transwomenkek he's phrasing it like that instead of "a safe space for women" because otherwise it's too obvious that there's nothing wrong with it. other groups and minorities are allowed their own spaces so why not """cis""" women?
>strong, aggressive, competitive, loudthese traits are only disliked in
women. when women receive hate for it, it's precisely because they're women, not because they're mistaken for men. trannies' stupidity, misogyny and racism know no bounds
No. 2446868
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this was posted unironically
No. 2446871
>>2446654Black women in the antebellum era were literally exploited in virtue of their sex, not because they were manly or like men. They often experimented on these poor women, they were forced to birth children, they were raped constantly by slave owners and they had to be mammies for the white children.
Black women’s history is riddled with their exploitation, it’s deeply unfair to call it “transmisogyny”
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>>2446654Sarah Bartman was literally treated like an animal and spectal, she couldn’t even rest in her death.
Trans misogyny my ass.
No. 2446875
>>2446702>>2446644nta but the malleus maleficarum was actually rejected by the catholic church, even the catholic church found it to be the deranged ramblings of a friar, apparently he was scorned by a nun named helena scheuberin who didn't like his sermons, for that reason he accused her for heresy and the church sided with helena, when he first published his malleus maleficarum, he forged a bunch of signatures to give credibility to his writings, including the claim that it was approved by the university of cologne. (which it wasn't) in fact they condemned the book as heretical too. unfortunately the damage was done. although the inquisition didn't use it, secular courts (i.e. non-religious courts) adopted it as an official guide, especially in germany where it was written. when the Protestant Reformation took place, the protestants withheld the document out of spite against the catholics and began using it in their legal cases.
the malleus claimed that women who were not constantly controlled by men would naturally become witches, including mary, the mother of God (a statement which understandably made many catholics extremely angry, leading to them calling for him to be excommunicated and burned at the stake). The malleus also claimed that any man who disagreed with him was an "archwizard", worse than a witch
No. 2446905
>>2446889i don't think they're
invading anything, it's just autists who have been playing this game since early 2010s trooning out. i've seen like 3 people with the pride flag item recolored to look like trans flag already
No. 2446927
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My personal peaking story was a culmination of these kind of conversations.
TRAs were always keen on saying “but you shouldn’t ban transwomen in female spaces because they too need safe spaces away from men!” while completely ignoring that these very scrotes came straight from the group doing the raping. Third spaces always made more sense to me, but expressing that always got me the “transphobic” and “bigot” label kek, until I was very much fed up.
According to them the “trans” status completely erases any ounce of male experience, male physiology and inherent threat these scrotes pose.
When it’s 98% of your kind committing violence against the opposite sex then yes, it’s fair to generalize and be safe rather than sorry I’d never be able to sleep if I advocated for the potential danger of women.
No. 2446931
>>2446927I was never a staunch TRA anyway, transwomen have always been that for me, trans males. I thought of them as a different type of faggot in a way kek.
But then I woke up and realized that these men are all the same, faggot, tranny, straight, they all advocate for each other in a way, no male is ever an ally to women, they’re just ready to use our resources, exploit our kindness and discard us once we aren’t useful.
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This kind of fetish humor is so retarded
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>>2447462>>2447552True, I instantly clocked this tif artist before even looking at her bio
No. 2447571
>>2447462Eh, this has kinda a point?
Tif artstyles are immediately recognizable: edgy (literally edgy, sharp looking), neon colors, gross characters with dark circles/yellow teeth/missing teeth, blood splatters…it looks like a polished version of those drawing that 12 year olds kids did on deviantart. Of course, tifs don't draw women. There's also a subartstyle that's more on the menhera part but that's more from theyfabs or insecure tifs. This is not completely wrong.
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>>2447462Does this count?
No. 2447592
>>2447586it's amazing that they think it's "transphobic" to accuse gendietards and trannies of making their trend their personalities, yet here they go again,
making gender a personality.
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How long do you think this tranny has until he inevitablely kills himself? Im thinking in 6 months max. I like to browse r/mtf posts and make it a game of when I think they will finally grab the noose and jump, and this one i think is on the verge. No r/MTF poster are making it past their 30s~, but some are closer to acking than others.
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This account makes me wanna a-log so fucking bad. As if being a radfem and caring about womens liberation is a bad thing. I bet when this faggot gets doxxed it'll be revealed to be a troonbian. Holy shit LGBT are such degenerates besides the lesbians.
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>>2447721Samefag, if you've read any feminist theory you'd know that radical feminism is the opposite of conservatism. How quick they are to defend the dehumanization, degradation, and sexualization of women is really telling. Bet they're gonna be outed as a pedophile real quick
No. 2447895
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The kettle calling the pot black.
No. 2447912
>>2447727>>2447721>radfem is just like christian conservativesKEK. How retarded can you get? Conservative christians want women to be private property. Radical feminism is only somewhat politically orphaned in the modern day because the mainstream left chooses men in dresses over biological women. Get rid of the troons and radfems are as progressive as they come.
I actually wonder if the democrats bailed on trannies if Nancy Mace would switch to becoming a democrat.
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left on a video discussing how TiMs go ballistic every time women want their own spaces free of scrotes.
“Why do you only go after trans women?!?”
Because they are men. Mentally ill, perverse men, who will always pose a threat to women, regardless of what they do to themselves. Fucking tifs can’t cause harm to the overwhelming majority of people, and the type of mental illness TiFs experience generally doesn’t translate to physical and sexual violence against others. Also whining about the shit the right does doesn’t magically make troons and gendies less garbage
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>>2444868Pity azealia is a Troon sucking idiot
No. 2447936
>>2447926What a fucking asshole. Her husband was
abusive and when Rowling left him, he stalked her and her daughter.
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>>2447976>She's so nearly thereChecked her out a bit. I didn't watch any of her videos but rest assured, she's not there. Judging by what I saw, I've seen lots of women like her and she has more in common with the tranny handmaidens than she does with a radfem. She has half a million subscribers off her right wing shill grift. No way in hell is she going to hop off that train for the politically orphaned hellscape that is modern radical feminism. She would sooner side with religious fundamentalism than with radfems since radfems refuse to pander to men.
She will talk shit about Islam and shit (and rightfully so), but refuse to see the very real misogyny right under her nose. She's a lost cause.
No. 2448014
>>2448006yeah, I hate to be blackpilled (I'm not, seeing women on here and other similar sites gives me a lot of hope) but it is very difficult to go down the radfem/
TERF rabbit hole. Pink pilling is not something women want to be. Leftists hate radfems because libfems want to believe womenhood is an abstract concept as opposed to a biological reality, since it would mean that the biological reality of males being violent rapeanzees would also be true. The right hates troons, but not because they are misogynists, rather because they are outsiders. If they hated troons for their misogyny they would recognize the misogynistic non-troon moids and handmaidens in their life.
But feminists are, at their core, hated political orphans. The right only larps as radfems to indoctrinate impressionable fresh peakers into their midst. Someone once mentioned the existence of a
TERF to tardwife pipeline, and I strongly believe it exists.
It is hard, especially if you're a content creator grifter like the women you showed, to not pander to a specific audience.
True radfems do not get a lot of subscribers, when they create content they do it for women and not for the notoriety. I would love for that to change someday. I hear more leftists are leaving gendie shit, so I hope moid-critical content becomes more popular.
No. 2448068
>>2448014I feel like personally i've been in denial at the radfem to tradwife pipeline. It's so distressing how the tranny issue is being viewed as a right vs left problem in the first place and that in itself is part of the reason why this pipeline is alive and thriving. I think it's more of a personal thing that i don't want to believe that i could be sucked into becoming a tradthot. Perhaps the only thing keeping women off this pipeline is either being a lesbian or a straight woman who has low sex drive/strong indifference to romance and trauma. It just seems like the yearning many women possess to have husbands and have children is what's also fueling the pipeline, because they oftenly they feel like they do not have a voice in feminism. I think the issue with radical feminism is that it makes women have a level of accountability in any unfair expectation of a sex. Most women would rather complain about beauty standards, but still participate in them because they are scared everyone will make fun of them and they will not get a husband. A lot of times women would rather make up all kinds of excuses not to put the work into making any changes or engage in risk assessment. Imo, i think the core of the pipeline is more so women not wanting to be told that their yearning to get married and have kids could be dangerous and they would rather deal with right wing moids telling them they will be miserable without a man rather than being told that some men can be dangerous.
To address the issue of the trans issue being reduced to right vs left, this issue will never be solved until enough leftists are willing to be properly educated and for a way to get this information to them in a way that they won't reject. The right monopolising this position is a detriment to killing this issue, especially since they don't have the superior education of radfems and because of their nasty track record of misogyny, racism and homophobia that works in favour of troons, despite troons possessing the same defects. I also feel like too many right wingers have a very borderline indifference to troons and believe feminism is at fault for emboldening troons, which makes this plight even harder.
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Looks like she's not going to be changing her mind and caving to the harrasment by the troons and their handmaidens. She also posted a video showing of some of the pink equipment in her gym.
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No. 2448645
>>2448424I figured she wouldn't cave. She caped for them in 2021. She didn't come to where she is now because troons are innocent
victims who just want to pee in peace. I promise she knew this was going to happen and she doesn't care. She stands for women.
I wish her all the best, but I'm sure the trannies are gonna send their TRA goons who will try to cancel her with their shitty reviews or something.
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>>2447929>>2447939>>2447950>>2447952her sister is a tif, that's it really
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>>2447727Shinigami Eyes was made by a rapist, Laurelai Bailey.
https://x.com/WomenReadWomen/status/1412846728361897985Even outside of that, FtMs and intersex people have been marked as "TERFs". Just more proof MtFs = MRAs.
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>>2447721>>2447727Oh hey I recognize this retard. He/she constantly defends and quotes Gayle Rubin, a NAMBLA supporter. Just look up Rubin's name on their account kek. Anyways even if being a radfem was vile and evil, it'd still be a genetic fallacy to assume any argument that comes from them (or any political group for that matter) is inherently wrong.
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I try to ignore most gender ideology but nothing really ratchets up my blood pressure like seeing a "woman in gaming" who ends up being a man who thinks he's a woman. Picrel is "Jun Chikuma" the composer for Bomberman Hero, always referred to as a woman. I was looking for more information on this person when I found out that he's actually a man "Atsushi Chikuma" who went stealth. He attempted to get information on a pre-transition album he made taken down from Discogs. Thankfully they didn't do it because of their autistic fixation on cataloguing everything. But I would hate to put a man on a list of woman game composers because he wanted to lie about his past. I now research basically every woman I find who does anything related to gaming because it's 50/50 whether it's actually a woman or a man pretending to be a woman. In niche areas like speedrunning it's basically 99% troons.
No. 2449120
>>2449060I had a brief true crime phase where I watched a lot of documentaries about serial killers, most of which featured a segment about their childhoods and how their father figures were either absent or shitty and that’s why the poor things grew up to murder people. I think I was on John Wayne Gacy when I realised that his childhood was almost identical to (if not better than) that of my mother and her sisters, all of whom grew up to be perfectly normal functional people who’ve never hurt anyone. Only their brother grew up to be an
abusive dick, and he was their father’s golden boy. If women and girls reacted to trauma the way men and boys do society would implode.
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>>2446377God I fucking hate contrapoints. I was watching a response video to him by Holly Lawford-Smith (a terfy philosophy professor) and picrel seemed funny to me. You've got contra on the left in his pro YouTube studio, dressed up but not passing, surrounded by his stupid props, and Holly in her office on the right, dressed casually, looking obviously female without trying, and surrounded by books. It just says it all.
Wikipedia says he dropped out of his philosophy PhD program because "The idea of being an academic for the rest of my life became boring to the point of existential despair", which sounds like such a cope. Getting a PhD doesn't guarantee you'll work as an academic. Only the best go on to become professors and researchers, especially in a niche field like philosophy. He dropped out because he couldn't hack it.
No. 2449424
Have any other nonas had experiences with TIMs (and occasionally TIFs) using female-dominated spaces for validation? I have a few hobbies that I won’t go into great detail about, but when I peer into my more male-dominated or somewhat 50/50 m/f hobbies transness isn’t mentioned that often. Even where I know trans people definitely are, like in gaming fandoms with large male playerbases, it isn’t brought up too often. Sure, the occasional TIM trying to stealth whilst remaining insanely clocky, but nothing too obnoxious.
But female dominated spaces? It’s constant bootlicking and amplifying shit to validate them. The most obvious AGPs with euphoria boners begging women to tell them TWAW. TIFs shrieking about being misgendered online and in person. I think it’s marginally better in person but it still isn’t great to have creepy, poorly socialized TIMs that are somehow unable to talk to women despite cis men in the hobby managing fine (they will no doubt go home and feel it’s because Everyone Is Transphobic, not because they didn’t talk to anyone), and TIFs with pronoun pins that feel like the adult equivalent of when your birthday card came with a badge so everyone would know it’s your birthday. Many of the trans people in these spaces seem to have massive persecution complexes where everyone is a TERF unless they bootlick enough to prove otherwise.
I’m a zoomer, so sometimes I feel I missed out on real life meetups without this Big Brother type of atmosphere, or early internet forums where I didn’t have trans shit shoved in my face every time I logged on. I like to go down rabbitholes for new hobbies/games and collect people to talk to, and it’s just a trend I see quite often where I can blatantly see the gender split of a fanbase from the amount of trans shit.
What are your hobbies, nonas? Can you relate to this? And older nonas, was it really any better back in the day?
No. 2449513
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Probably a troll but if not, she's lucky she didn't encounter an AGP in the wild.
No. 2449592
>>2449424Absolutely. Male troons want to commit social rape and invade female spaces specifically. One thing that protects women from sexual predatory men like troons is when other men who actually care about those women are with them and can go "get the fuck out creep or we'll beat you up". Creepy men don't care when women tell them to get out, but a fellow man is an actual threat to them.
They also do not want their fetish illusion ruined. It's a very thin illusion, so it doesn't take much to break it which causes them to rage ("it's MA'AM!"). They can't date bi women or gay men - it HAS to be a lesbian/straight man who is only into women. You can't just use pronouns out of courtesy - you HAVE TO fully see them as women. You can't say you see them as women, but they are still biologically male - you HAVE TO agree they are really women and biological females.
Being around men and relating to them breaks that illusion. If a man goes "morning good when morning wood ayyy amirite bros??" it angers them that they also have a dick and relate to it. They want to be around women going "oh no, periods" so they can pretend they relate to it without being "called out" by posts targeted at their own maleness. You can see this fragile ego in tifs too, just go "us girls just love chocolate" and they can't help but feel attacked and go "b-but I'm a trans MAN and I like chocolate too! So it's not just girls but boys too! Like me, I'm a boy!!!" because they instantly got their ego bruised just over relating to something a female said.
No. 2449669
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>>2449424What you're encountering is a great example of how males weaponize female socialization against women as a means of dividing us and achieving their own ends. Women are raised from birth to value social harmony above all else, and to empathize with even the lowliest reprobates. Women often form social hierarchies based on virtue-signalling; in conservative spaces, this is based around having zero self-respect and being as much of a slave to your husband, children, and church as possible. In liberal spaces, it's based around having zero self-respect and being as much of a slave to purportedly marginalized identity groups as possible. In these pecking orders, the Best woman is the most ideologically pure, the most self-sacrificing, the most virtuous. So, when presented with the narrative that troons are the Most Oppressed People in America, left-wing women are expected to take pity on them and cater to their every whim. This is easy to do, because female socialization makes us feel pity very easily, an emotion manipulators thrive on exploiting.
In this case, women clamber over each other to validate the "poor" troon, not only because they're concerned he'll literally die if they don't, but also as a public display of how enlightened and benevolent they are. To compliment a plainly hideous troon is to partake in a social ritual, a kind of kabuki that raises your status on the virtue totem pole. You see similar disingenuous compliments being given to people who are profoundly deformed or disfigured. I've stopped doing this in all cases as a matter of principle. You will never, ever hear me give a compliment I don't sincerely mean, and I try to be aware of when someone is trying to use pity to manipulate me.
No. 2449689
>>2449282>tries to offend>no offenseAt least have the courage to admit when you want to try to offend someone.
>>2449592>Male troons want to commit social rapeGood way to put it.
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>>2447926Crossposting from the celebricows thread to add JK Rowling’s response
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For added context, numerous tras have been attempting to transvestigate an obvious biological woman (eartheater, she's pregnant right now) for years because they are desperate to have proof the gender affirming argumentations are a waste of time and actually, we can tell if somebody is a troon. I post this because it's them admitting that trans don't actually pass and that even surgery is a waste of time. I've also been seeing them accuse women of being highly artist and creative of being troons because no biological woman could ever be capable of possess any creative abilities as men do. also, don't they get pissy when conservitards tranvestigate random women? Yet here they are doing the exact same thing they said only transphobes do. They also love waving around the argument that women being transvestigated makes them instantly obligated to lick their boots, i can't take their misogynistic hypocrisy anymore. Sad part is that she probably would think nothing of it herself.
No. 2449768
>>2449724JK Rowling never hated troons. She was by almost all definitions a libfem borderline handmaiden until the late 2010s when she made the horrendous mistake of saying "sex is real".
Like with many women who peak, they start by assuming trans people are just regular people who want to live their life in peace. That is, until you start asking questions.
Either way I still don't think Rowling hates troons. She just has no tolerance for predatory, moids and their enablers.
No. 2449774
>>2449724in the future jk rowling will be remembered as the author of the most famous youth fiction of all time, and azealia will be remembered as a loser grifter who made, like, 3 good songs and then massively fell off and had to constantly get in pointless slapfights online to stay relevant
>>2449759tbh i want to blame trannies for this but i remember this sort of thing happening ~15 years ago with michelle obama and lady gaga. except people were saying they were men/transsexual in a "i dont like them so im gonna say theyre men" way and not a "theyre so amazing so they must have a penis" way. strange how it got even more misogynist…
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>>2449724She is desperate for likes and jk attention kek
No. 2449801
>>2449780>you're picking fights with ME, THE azalea banksand you're a has-been whose name now is only synonymous with social media shitposts and retarded slapfights, picking fights with THE JK rowling, someone who wrote some of the most successful books of all time and whose legacy will last generations
the ego i swear
No. 2449835
>>2449724Unfortunately troons are just saying she deserved to be beaten.
>>2449780I can't name anyone I know who's heard of Azealia kek. Not even the oldest zoomers know or care so she's just another irrelevant trying to stay up
No. 2449838
>>2449836Is this you, too?
>>2447929 Just scroll down a bit, anon, someone answered this here
>>2448727 No. 2449864
>>2447895Some of the guys who testified in Michael Jackson's defense later retracted their statements and revealed that they were also groomed and molested by him. Being a witness in a criminal trial involves tons of paperwork and years of correspondence, not to mention legal consequence for lying, but they still layer regretted doing it. Would these TRAs apply the same logic there?
>My brother in Christ, you signed the paperwork and agreed to testify under oathOf course not. Because anyone with a lick of common sense can tell you how social pressure and shame can affect a person's decision making.
No. 2449869
>>2449864They have the same logic as groomers.
Victim-blaming.
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>>2447895>you scheduled the appointmentThen you bring up the people who get top surgery as minors
>that never happensThen you ask TRA's why they always advocate minors transitioning.
>YOU ARE A NAZI! STOP GENOCIDING US No. 2450018
>>2448037>>2448068I don't really believe there's a 'radfem to tradwife pipeline' per se, or at least it's very very rare. I think that what people mean when they say this is usually one of two things: 1. women who never identified as 'radfem' to begin with (e.g., Meghan Murphy) but who had a lot of radfem-aligned takes and opinions, who reveal themselves to be more conservative than expected by their radfem followers, and 2. recently peaked women and detransitioners who briefly find themselves in the warm embrace of radblr or other similarly unhinged and conformist 'radfem' communities after they peak, but quickly realize that they are way too normie for those communities and look for something different after a 'detoxing from genderism' phase (e.g., Helena from Pique Resilience). Notably neither of these groups usually end up being actual literal tradwives with any frequency; being somewhat conservative or centrist doesn't make you a tradwife and neither does being a heterosexual normie 20-30-something. I think the 'tradwife' label is abused these days whenever a woman is just kind of normie, believes in gender roles to a small degree, and wants a heterosexual relationship/kids. But most women who are genuinely drawn to radical feminism for any length of time are never going to become actual 'trad wives' because the two ideologies/lifestyles are basically polar opposites.
The reality is a lot of the peaked young women who briefly flirt with 'radfem' spaces (which themselves are often very performative and not actually radical feminist, like radblr) were never really drawn to radical feminism so much as non-genderism and maybe certain common-sense tenets of radical feminism, but many of them are young straight women trying to find themselves and resistant to being 'blackpilled,' separatist, etc. as radical feminism often seems to require. Or they just don't like reading a lot of theory and thinking about things in terms of class/oppression in general. I know this is lolcow we're talking about here but I also think people are mischaracterized as 'trad' here a lot for basically just wanting to be normal and conformist to some modest degree. There's also a very modern idea that women can't have any feminist principles at the same time as having certain conservative principles, but this certainly wasn't true of 'feminism' in the past (like the first wave etc) in which moderate conservatism and feminism were not seen as at odds. I wouldn't consider someone a tradwife just because they're 'conservative,' my family is conservative christian but the women in my family are the furthest thing from 'tradwives' in practice (usually dominant over their husbands in most respects, very opinionated, GNC, etc). A lot of women also eventually align themselves with conservative parties or politicians because they agree with certain policies they deem important, but this doesn't mean they've completely abandoned or forgotten about their pro-woman views, they just don't view 'leftism' as the pro-woman stance (Andrea Dworkin would even largely agree with them on this). I agree with
>>2448068 that this being viewed as a right/left problem in the first place is part of why these distinctions are being made and women's communities are constantly fracturing. Moids don't do this, they band together if they agree on even one thing they all want, but women's communities frequently purity-test themselves all the way to full balkanization.
If the only way you can be a 'real' radfem is 4B, refusing to participate in any form of feminine subjugation (including makeup etc. which is often required for corporate jobs and financial power), etc. a lot of women are going to stop wanting to be 'real' radfems as their life progresses and I think that's overall fine as long as they've internalized the key tenets of feminist ideology and thought. People are never going to stop wanting (heterosexual, in most cases) romance and children/families. People are also never going to stop 'compromising' politically in an attempt to strategically get laws about their pet issues passed. I think if modern radfeminism wasn't as prone to purity politics this would actually be less of an issue but feminist movements (especially those based in Marxism) have always been heavily purity-politics based and self-policing and this alienates a lot of people.
In one of the earlier threads someone posted an essay from 1965 from some 'ex' radfem talking about how the radfem community of her time splintered because women were attacking other women for being 'too masculine,' too 'male aligned' etc. constantly until they all hated each other and I feel like that is kind of happening in modern iterations of zoomer/millennial radfeminism too. Personally even though I read a lot of the lit I never called myself a 'radfem' because I don't strongly subscribe to every single radical feminist belief but I also think it's better to have a more pro-woman view (including imperfect women who don't always align with every feminist cause) than a strictly intellectualized 'feminist' one if we want to get to female liberation. It's a trap to call every woman who wants marriage and kids a tradwife when that used to mean something really specific and is always used as a pejorative, our society isn't going to stop having marriages anytime soon but we can at least try to empower other women to have more beneficial and less 'trad' marriages. Meaning ones in which women don't fulfil the 'feminine gender role' and don't feel bound by 'gender ideology' too much one way or the other, whether it's the libshit TRA understanding or the conservatard understanding of 'gender roles' (which end up being the same thing basically anyway). It's also just undeniable reality right now that a lot of women concerned for their safety have been told by leftist/liberal politicians they can't have that (no controls on single male immigrants with criminal records from misogynistic cultures, men in prisons/change rooms/bathrooms/etc.) and they pick basic self preservation instincts over lofty ideology after being told 'no we don't care' by (mostly male) leftist politicians one too many times. Women don't usually have male allies on the left or right so they just choose what seems more urgent to them at the moment. At the moment it feels to a lot of women like 'my mom's generation (conservative, i.e. pre-progress) had it better' therefore they want to go back to that, it's that simple.
No. 2450033
>>2450024AYRT and no that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is the 'rad to trad pipeline' is a false dichotomy/fear that some radfem women have that by rejecting obvious TRA genderism they (or their idols) are about to do some rapid slide into barefoot in the kitchen bible thumper with 8 children. If you pay attention the 'rad to trad' pipeline is usually just women who were never really radfems in the first place continuing not to be radfems, and in most cases not really being tradwives either. The only reason this is discussed is because the simple common sense notion that gender isn't real and biological sex class oppression is is so normal, common, and default among sane women is vilified culturally right now. I know all sorts of sane women, many of them leftist, some conservative, and most having some opinions spanning both 'sides' of the current political divide (which is set and decided by men, always) and most of them have the same knee-jerk distaste for gender roles whether it's the leftist or rightoid version. But you are playing right into the meme by implying that anyone not completely aligned with partisan leftist politics to the point of hating and alienating 'normie' women must think 'conservative women are better.'
When you think about the root word of 'conservatism' and what it has traditionally meant it's just 'conserving the status quo' and the situation of women in the 90s/2000s was in a lot of ways obviously better and less precarious than the situation for women now in many Western countries. When women are labelled 'conservative' for just wanting the things they or their moms took for granted 'back' people are missing the forest (actual lived realities) for the trees (political slogans).
No. 2450063
>>2449424Yes I have noticed female-dominated spaces are the main validation vampirism source for TIMs, but actually most of my hobbies/interests are male-dominated and I also see a weird opposite effect. Like in female-dominated spaces, there will often be that one TIM that is using it for emotional vampirism from women (my best friend's mom runs a knitting circle for mostly 50+yr old women and a 20-something TIM there apparently just siphons up all the energy and attention for participating despite never learning how to knit properly, and despite there being at least one other moid there who has never bothered anyone or been attention seeking) and obviously TIMs love using explicitly female-exclusive spaces like women's sports and women's locker rooms at gyms to validate themselves.
But I'm in a lot of male-dominated communities as a woman like my local jazz music community and it's so weird to see the large handful of TIMs who went to school, developed their professional image, etc. as men suddenly wanting validations as 'women' in this male-dominated space. There are of course plenty of women in the local jazz community that actually suffer from being iced out and taken less seriously, sexually harassed etc. but it's always the TIMs who made a name for themselves initially as straight moids who siphon all the attention and accolades or do cringe things like creating 'all female' bands to get a ton of grant money when half the band members are male. They will also play worse and practice less than the other non-trans people in the community and then explicitly excuse their shitty playing/lack of practice with 'I'm so alienated and oppressed in this male-dominated community,' it's actually disgusting considering how good and hardworking many of the actual women are who overcame actual hurdles to gain recognition, were sexually predated upon by professors, etc.
>And older nonas, was it really any better back in the day?Yes, mostly. As an early-30s person who was very online from age 10 onwards, there was pretty much no 'genderist' politics/atmosphere on the internet until my late teens and there were very few attention seeking troons in my internet or irl spaces until I hit my 20s (the ones I did encounter were female TIFs or theybies). However, there were a lot of what I'd consider proto-troons or pre-troons in my internet spaces, like people who didn't consider themselves trans but LARPed as the other sex to get attention in internet spaces. You had a lot of moids pretending to be female in male-dominated internet spaces for attention, and vice versa, but I guess the main difference is they were on the back foot when found out, and they wouldn't shame other people for feeling 'tricked' or not continuing to play along with their LARP once found out. We used to be a lot less precious and gentle with other people on online hobby spaces. I never really saw troons in most of my IRL hobby spaces until my mid-20s but now it feels like they are literally everywhere just a few years later.
>>2449669> In liberal spaces, it's based around having zero self-respect and being as much of a slave to purportedly marginalized identity groups as possible.I've noticed this among men in male-dominated liberal spaces like the jazz music community as well. Even though the men in these communities are moids, they are often 'socialized' similarly to feel guilty for essentially 'stealing' IP from more marginalized communities (where I live a lot of the jazz musicians are white/asian, there are not that many black people living here) so the moids will do the same song and dance most liberal women do, and deliberately coo over the 'most marginalized' person which is always the white TIM. The women in these groups will do the same for obvious reasons (the ones you described).
No. 2450076
>>2449424Because the whole point of the tranny shit is for mentally ill men to seek female validation in a more intimate, controlling way where you have to bend over backwards to tell them blue is red and participate in their lifestyle fetish play. The alternative is gay men who also have NPD-tier personality traits anyway, and will resent you for being able to sleep with straight men.
And then you get mentally ill women (TiFs) wanting to do the same thing, but men don't give a fuck about women's feelings in their own spaces, so they just go back to women's spaces and settle for that as a consolation prize.
No. 2450083
>>2450076>The alternative is gay men who also have NPD-tier personality traits anyway, and will resent you for being able to sleep with straight men. I wish people were open about this when I first found GC/radfem spaces, but back then everyone insisted the HSTS moids were just
victims. This is so true in my hobby spaces, the HSTS TIMs will be the most deranged, competitive narcs when you're a woman that gets attention from straight moids in the community. I'm jazz anon and I play a 'weird' instrument that isn't super typical in jazz, this HSTS TIM in the community noticed me getting positive attention for playing my unique instrument at jams and made sure to start bringing the same instrument (which was not his primary instrument, and which he absolutely sucked at) to the same jam I went to every time, went up on stage with me whenever I participated, and tried to do this 'gal pals' thing of 'we're both playing the same instrument now as the two girlies, isn't that cute!!' while actually just cutting into my solos and trying to play louder, it was unhinged. At the time sadly I didn't even know enough to realize this was troon behavior, and encouraged him thinking it was just an unfortunate and pathetic self esteem issue. I let him essentially interrupt/cut my solos at jams in half so we could do the 'cute girl power we play the same instrument huhu' thing together because I thought he was just insecure, until it became blatantly obvious he was fighting for moid attention with me realizing I had been noticed for playing a non-standard instrument at a high level at jams.
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troon on troon violence
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>>2450113It makes them grow breast buds bigger than an AA cup 25% of the time (I swear I read an actual science study on this, can't find it now); the rest of the time they get some mild gynecomastia but not approaching the size of most women's breast tissue. I think it makes their skin a little thinner. It seems to affect their mood (positively at first but then negatively over time). It also gives them insulin resistance (picrel) so they can all actually experience a higher propensity for diabetes like the women with PCOS they are apparently so damn jealous of.
No. 2450139
>>2450129They are literally so delusional that even though most of them don't take progesterone and some of them don't even take spiro (testosterone suppressant), and almost none of them 'cycle' anything they are constantly gloating about how they get 'female hormonal cycles' because 'their hormones know they are female now and they give them menstrual cycles' lmao. This is apparently the basis for a lot of them arguing they have periods, that after taking some BCP or injecting some horse piss their bodies 'know' they have a delicately balanced female hormonal cycle leading to menstruation, except they can neither define what menstruation is nor identify the hormones involved in the female hormonal cycle.
As a PCOS sufferer (although sorry, troons, I don't have facial hair, I'm certainly not balding, and I have an exaggeratedly feminine hourglass body type that looks almost cartoonish due to my PCOS weight gain) I always find it hilarious that they will argue 'women with PCOS have an intersex condition because of their high testosterone' despite the high T being caused by high E/low progesterone, and, at root, a lot of scientists think PCOS is due to rapid LH cycling in the brain (which no amount of exogenous hormones can change or fix). I literally treat my PCOS (sorry, 'intersex disorder' according to troons) by trying to keep my estrogen levels lower and taking exogenous progesterone on a cyclical basis, something most troons would never dream of doing because they're so retarded they just think 'estrogen = feminizing' and stop at that. It's like a 5 year old thinking they will become a LITERAL samurai warrior if they get gifted a wooden katana.
No. 2450148
>>2450139They love to bring up women with PCOS and
WOC into their "you can't tell!" arguments. Women with PCOS can have full grown beards and moustaches and be as hairy as a gorilla moid hybrid and still look blatantly female. And the
WOC shit is just obvious racism or they've clearly never seen a
WOC in their life kek. I for sure don't look like a hideous white moid.
Also, unrelated stupid question, why don't troons take progesterone instead of estrogen, since it has stronger, more feminising effects?
No. 2450157
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>>2450148I think it's literally as simple in their minds as 'estrogen is girl hormone, testosterone is boy hormone,' not realizing that testosterone is frequently aromatized to estrogen (causing some of the issues in PCOS directly) and that there are many other hormones involved in both female and male sex hormone systems. Keep in mind that most troons weren't paying attention in high school sex ed/biology classes, otherwise they wouldn't think they could change sex so easily, so they are the lowest of the low retards with no understanding of human biology. Most of them haven't considered taking progesterone, and I don't think progesterone produces breast tissue/gynecomastia (which is the real reason a lot of them take E, regardless of what else they may say about it). I also don't think progesterone has any obvious feminizing effects in men - moids also produce progesterone, but it seems to help in sperm production and other typically 'male' body functions, since, well, they have male bodies (picrel) and actually counteracts estrogen dominance in the body. TIMs don't want to counteract estrogen dominance in their bodies since, as I said above, they think estrogen = girly and testosterone = manly.
Yeah women with PCOS can have full grown beards but that's not even common anyway, something like 11-12% of millennial and younger women are estimated to have PCOS and far fewer than 11-12% of those women have noticeable hirsutism. They literally will just read about something online, go 'I fucking love science!' without understanding it and then use it to further their delusional arguments about how actually so many women are more male than them, or whatever.
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>>2450113to my understanding, looks-wise, it mainly changes the places where fat on the body locates. there's not that much fat on a person's face to begin with so usually there's very little change there, though they do end up getting wider hips sometimes.
the troons that come the closest to "passing" without surgery usually didn't look very masculine to begin with.
No. 2450198
>>2450113>>2450169Estrogen helps make skin more elastic and smooth so usually tims get better skin which to tims looks more "feminine", while tifs get rougher skin from losing estrogen which they in turn thinks looks more "masculine".
It's hard to tell what effects are estrogen and what is lack of testosterone when they mix it all. Lack of testosterone makes tims lose muscles, which makes them smaller and weaker which they read as more "feminine". But that's not even from estrogen! Most of it is just coping and delusions. They see fellow troons who paid a shitload of money for surgery, then learning makeup, angles, and editing photos and somehow buy that that's just from estrogen.
No. 2450223
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>>2449768She may not have hated troons before, but after the death threats, sending her endless amounts of grotesque pornography, and bomb squad visits, I think even the stiffest British upper lip would begin to sneer at troonery.
>>2450018Incredibly true and unfathomably based. Excellent insight
nonnie, thank you for the effortpost.
Thread tax:
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>>2450223Of course Germany, the most pedo-supporting EU country, would produce this 'report.' They're changing their age of consent from 14yo when?
I am the 2nd AYRT and I'm glad you got something from it, I feel like the rare times I bother effortposting about these issues people assume I'm a tradthot or something myself because I'm not just one-sidedly lashing out at 'conservative' women but I genuinely know so many women irl who would describe their politics in various ways but mostly agree on women's issues. I think if women could have even half the rabid class consciousness of males we could get somewhere with arguing for women's issues but I constantly see male ideas of political partisanship splitting women with similar views down the middle and causing them to infight with each other. I think a good mental exercise is to imagine if men were not in politics at all (for a week, say), and only women had political views, what would women agree/disagree on? It's probably not the same as the current left/right political split and I think that's important to keep in mind.
No. 2450268
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being a libfem has to be a form of mental illness
No. 2450272
>>2450268what are they even on about? women aren't impacted by a
terf gym because they are women
No. 2450293
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>>2450268>muscular women>dark womenSo you're saying that the founder of the gym in picrel will be accused of being a man because she's an athletic black woman? Interesting. I've never once looked at a brown or black woman, or muscular or tall woman, or woman with PCOS and thought "you must be a man". How do these retards not realize how insanely racist this stuff is? And I'm sorry but why is it mostly other black women who are trying to say that black and brown women look more masculine? How can you hate yourselves, your mothers and your sisters that much to try and lump them in with a category of perverted moids?
No. 2450313
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TIL that the new 'de facto' Canadian Prime Minister, Mark Carney's daughter, is a theyby/TIF who was allowed by her parents (the acting PM of Canada) to attend the Tavistock gender clinic for years while she lived in the UK. Picrel. She's apparently also some kind of 'journalist activist' who writes lots of articles about how evil Mumsnet is and how she never 'felt trans enough' for Tavistock or whatever.
This is all highly concerning because the replacement of Troondeau by Carney is obviously an attempt to seem like the Liberal Party of Canada is pivoting away from the 'woke' troon agenda but now we have an acting PM who actually encouraged his daughter to troon out and retards will probably vote for him thinking he's less pro-troon than Trudeau was. Leaf nonnas we're fucked aren't we
No. 2450314
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>>2450268this is why anyone on the right can win, you will see otherwise intelligent people awkwardly stumble to explain how troonism makes any sort of sense and come across as complete idiots
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>>2450302I think it was the right wing retards who said stuff like that about Michelle and also Serena Williams. Basically any black woman who's in good shape with natural hair must equal male to them. I've no doubt that trannies and libfems think the same as they've proven above. If the conservatives didn't get there first I'd absolutely believe that they'd look at pictures of Michelle and start the "she's a trans woman!" headcanon because of the fact she's black and works out.
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>>2450167i hate when troons try and deliberately hide the broad shoulders and defined jaw, and also angle themselves to hide the adams apple to make other troons believe that “omg the horse piss pills really worked!” if you saw them irl, without caked on makeup, the height, proportions will be a dead giveaway.
also, HRT doesnt even last forever, the "effects" soon diminish and you start seeing the obvious stubble and male pattern baldness return. at that point, they just look like ogres in wigs again.
No. 2450330
>>2450314I fucking hate these debates. But yeah, I agree with you nona. You can get some women who are starting with a good argument (I think the first woman was going to talk about how pregnant women are regularly murdered by their partners) but then since she's a tranny handmaiden she has to use terminology she shouldn't be using around a conservative pickme.
It's just handmaiden-on-handmaiden violence in this video.
No. 2450336
>>2450293> And I'm sorry but why is it mostly other black women who are trying to say that black and brown women look more masculine? It’s insecure black women who are either insecure about their black features or who are frankly ugly an comping who want to pander to non black people and act like
victims. I’m black and I’ve never been told I look like a man kek and if someone says I do it’s due to racism, not because I look like one.
No. 2450348
>>2450336im black too nona and literally nobody in my life has told me i looked like a man. the effeminate skinwalkers are only saying that so they can hide behind “well, some women look masculine too so it doesnt matter if i dont pass!” and its so fucking embarrassing kek. the most "masculine" looking
poc woman will never compare to the hideousness of The Tranny.
No. 2450360
>>2449120I think if I was male I would have become a shooter or some other type of criminal by now and that thanks to being female and less retarded and more empathetic by default it massively lowered those chances. Men are just too weak mentally despite constantly projecting that onto women and will chimp out and kill people over minor things due to their poor impulse control and aggression. Even ones I know who had ok childhoods ended up becoming bad people or trooning out just because they weren't coddled enough and spent a little too much time online. Most recently one who became porn addicted and trooned out just because he was unemployed and more online for a few months despite having a decent childhood and family.
>>2450102Kek
No. 2450363
>>2450293>And I'm sorry but why is it mostly other black women who are trying to say that black and brown women look more masculine?It's never attractive women who say this, it's insecure black women. They think that just because they were bullied in school as kids by racist kids and/or teachers that means the insults are actually true. Instead of thinking "these people are wrong, I don't look like a man and they're just racist" they believe "maybe they're right, I do look like a guy but so what?" and they make it everyone else's problem. The same thing happened with the HAES movement but not just with black women: a lot of
WOC were repeating that if you find skinny women attractive and don't want to be obese then you suffer from internalized racism because you're too exposed to eurocentric beauty standards. They kept using the word curvy as opposed to obese to seem credible. It's the same thought process.
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>>2450347>he could have been a cute guy if he didnt troon outare you sure about that
he is obviously using the sunglasses and hat to mask his male pattern baldness
this is him without it. can you imagine being this scrotes parents and having to look at this freakish skinwalking abomination each day LMAOO.
hes so ugly i almost want to a-log
No. 2450380
>>2450348Feels awkward to say this as a non-black women but growing up until I was an adult I never ever heard any kind of stereotype that black women were or looked masculine. I literally first head this 'stereotype' from troons and was shocked that it was even a stereotype because it never occurred to me that women of other races would be seen as 'manly' and I never saw anyone irl having that attitude (I'm not American so I can't speak to American stereotypes but I did have a lot of online friends from the US and never heard that from them either).
>>2450362OK I believe you nonna but the first retard could have easily shamed the second retard into oblivion if she just grew a spine. I'm honestly so tired of this, I live in a left/lib hellhole and I'm in a left/lib social milieu and as soon as I discovered GC ideas in like… 2015 I grew a spine and stopped pandering to this shit and 90% of the women in my life just acted relieved when I stopped troon-pandering. I'm so sick of women acting like they 'can't' be reasonable when they have their own online platforms and don't even have a strict job that prevents them from speaking out. It's so pathetic.
No. 2450618
>>2450293they're the ones with a very narrow perception and image of women. Any women who exists outside their porn fantasy doesn't count as a "real" woman. It's projection on their part
>>2450315If a black woman doesn't look like a fat mammy archetype, she's shoved into the whore or man category.
No. 2450992
>>2450950Next to accepting moids who treat womanhood as an identity and not a biological reality, the biggest psyop used against women is race shit. The left wants you to believe only white moids are sexist and the right wants you to believe only non white moids are sexist.
But no, all moids are violent, misogynistic degenerates regardless of secondary characteristics.
No. 2451034
>>2450313Keir Starmer is theorized to have a TIF daughter too.
>>2450897>WW2They started promoting tranny shit during the Weimar Republic. Nazism was a blip in Germany's long history of sexual degeneracy. Under Hitler AGPs still had gender recognition certificates to validate them. Being pro-troon and pro-pedo is Germany's default setting, not a reaction.
No. 2451045
>>2450897Germany has been a weird cesspit of sexual depravity basically forever, idk why but it seems to be part of their culture. In the 70s they spearheaded a lot of attempts to basically normalize pedophilia and pedophilically groom children in schools, they have kept a very low age of consent for decades as other EU countries have raised it, etc. Even a lot of Weimar and Nazi-era science was weirdly concerned with sexual depravity, troons, etc. I don't know what it is in German culture that causes this but it seems like they are outwardly very strait-laced and repressed and this somehow seems to implode and cause a bunch of paraphilias and degeneracy to be accepted on the DL in German culture. They are also one of the cultures that broke most strongly with orthodox/catholic and pagan religions, maybe it comes from searching for some alternate spirituality (I'm not religious or spiritual but sometimes I think strong cultural bonds to some kind of spirituality keep societies more sane for whatever reason). Germany has been uniquely obsessed with technological progress, transhumanism, eugenics etc. in a weirdly dispassionate way for a long time and it seems like experimenting on people is almost a cultural tradition at this point.
Germany also has an extremely individualistic/non-communal culture and I think that can also lead to people becoming disconnected from prosocial morality generally. I think the more communal a culture tends to be the more they tend to have a protective instinct toward their young/vulnerable members and Germany has a history of doing essentially the opposite.
No. 2451057
>>2449120I honestly think it's just an excuse. Maybe a moid is more likely to chimp out with a poor upbringing, but even with perfect parents there's no guarantees they won't be a social predator.
It's like when pedoscrotes are like "I molested kids because
I was molested as a kid!"
Meanwhile little girls are more likely to be diddled than little boys and yet somehow there are less female pedos than male pedos. The math just doesn't add up.
No. 2451066
>>2451057I have never been able to comprehend why men who were abused 9 times out of 10 turn into just as bad, if not worse, abusers themselves. I was sexually abused as a child by 3 different men. My childhood was also fucked up beyond that. It messed me up emotionally and left me with trauma, but I could never entertain the thought of inflicting that upon another. Especially not a child. How the fuck anyone ever thinks that “he was abused as a kid” is a
valid excuse or explanation for moids committing heinous crimes, I’ll never know.
No. 2451155
>>2450018Nonna I adore you, your input is very sensible and in touch with reality. I also highly agree with the whole 'it's more crucial to be pro-women above other labels (radfem, libfem, etc)' thing.
Also the first reply to your post was probably bait so don't even pay attention to it. If it wasn't, then you're not at fault for others having no gray matter left
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i made this after someone posted the comic in the mtf thread. any other candidates?
No. 2451606
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>>>/snow/2098809comparing this woman managing to dunk on troons so well that even the handmaiden in the audience can't help but to chuckle versus the strained and tense smiles towards the clown-faced tranny is so satisfying
No. 2451735
>>2450950> their moids are as disgusting and perverse as ever and they (relatively speaking considering they are not some middle eastern German moids are the saudis of europe, in more ways than one
>>2450018Perfect response nona, you said it better than i ever could.
>and look for something different after a 'detoxing from genderism' phase (e.g., Helena from Pique Resilience)She's a great example. She used to talk a lot about tumblr's noxious inter-troon drama and identitarian angst so i get why she was put off
>If the only way you can be a 'real' radfem is 4B, refusing to participate in any form of feminine subjugation (including makeupWe hate the beauty industry and all but this obsession with makeup and what's the correct look for a feminist is a kind of typical intrasexual policing. It is a problem that some online radfems' idea of activism is negging other women (not that it's bad in itself, but they
only do that) and patting themselves on the back for being 4B. It's a lot of pride for very little achievement in comparison to the evil GC "tradwives". If you listen to anti-GC grievances by a certain kind of online radfem and tirfs, it boils down to "they're not nice and pure enough". How strange it is that they're put off by most women when they claim to fight for all women. Older GCs say a lot of retarded things but they're relatively free from the constant infighting (exarcebated by feminine socialization) and inability to bond over a shared goal, which is maybe
the one quality you want to possess as a movement.
>>2448727Azealia's first claim to online fame was harrassing other female artists for a cheering audience. She still does this whenever she wants an ego boost
No. 2451736
>>2451700tbh I think the world always was mostly crypto except for the most delusional handmaidens.
I think Trump winning the election was a big wakeup call to leftists that coddling pornsick moids and enabling them to exploit and appropriate women and lesbians isn't helping their cause.
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>>2451784Or as alternative, the good ol, since they are foaming at the mouth for a transgenocide since forever.
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>>2451358seconding haus of decline. he looks like stereotypical tranny caricature
No. 2452040
>>2450325nona, i was literally wanting to post about this. i loved it. i was like NO WAYYYYY this is on mainstream media. alas, i think it's going to go over a lot of people's heads. i genuinely believe the only people who could understand he was saying/referring to are 1. trannies and 2. terfs. i don't think handmaidens or the general population know anything about trans (AGPs) other than #TWAW and that they are poor
victims, not that they have a freak addiction
No. 2452115
>>2452044>>2450325>>2452040spoiler for video if you haven't watched the latest white lotus episode - but posting here for nonas who don't watch that show.
this character starts out sounding like andre in my dinner with andre, like he is about to share a spiritual revelation he has discovered but instead it's just a rant about his batshit insane autogynephila.
i've been dying to discuss this. i don't think most people watching this would necessarily connect it to MtFs straight away, they probably think this is just a weird obscure fetish from a crazy man and not the logical conclusion of misogyny, sex/ porn addiction and narcissism. i checked the white lotus subreddit and there are some desperates trying to relate it to buddhist philosophy and how "gender envy" is a REAL thing that needs to be talked about more (as if him objectifying asian women, who he cannot begin to imagine what their lives are actually like beyond being a sex slave, is gender envy).
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>>2452115It's bc the writer is a porn-addicted scrote. He's following the same path as Levinson and Sean Baker, where he was rewarded for writing what he sees in porn so now he's going deeper into his own psyche bc he thinks his degeneracy is spiritual, and not bc of porn addiction, like every other middle aged to senior citizen (him) scrote. This is the writer and producer, just a reminder to anons
No. 2452239
after having (or atleast attempting) a conversation with a TIM tranny i realized that they truly do, at the bottom of their heart believe that they are 1:1 a woman, and that people who disagree are biased or inherently hateful in some way. its truly interesting how they never really sit and think about it, they will never truly combat your points, but instead try to cover their ears, and ignore whatever you said, no matter what approach or tone you take. its like they live in their own bubble. for example:
>You look nothing like a woman. How do you see yourself as one?
TIM: It doesnt matter. Youre just a bigot. I dont have to listen to your opinion.
>How can you inject yourself with artificial chemicals made to imitate hormones, and then use the same bathrooms/spaces of someone who was born with naturally producing hormones their entire life?
TIM: It doesnt matter. Youre just a bigot. I dont have to listen to your opinion.
>So then, how are you a woman and not a man, if none of these things matter? How do you sleep at night knowing you are distorting the truth?
TIM: It doesnt matter. Youre just a bigot. I dont have to listen to your opinion.
>If someone paints their skin grey and calls themselves an elephant and wants you to call them an elephant, because they “feel” like an elephant inside, although they bare no resemblance to one at all, how is that different from what you are doing?
TIM: It doesnt matter. Youre just a bigot. I dont have to listen to your opinion.
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>>2452228ayrt and yeah i think some of the responses (like picrel) are crazy, in thinking that the writing was GC representation. i think it was meant to be shocking. and mike white loves his deviancy and homoeroticism. so how else would he portray a character going through an identity crisis leading to an interest in buddhism (which is a theme of this season).
>he thinks his degeneracy is spiritual, and not bc of porn addictionexactly. and the comments on this scene on reddit, youtube etc. have confirmed this is how a lot of men view not only their own degeneracy but other men's. even their philosophising is a mental jerking off at the thought of their own ramblings sound like anything other than a cope.
No. 2452364
>>2452281I haven't really been paying attention this season, do you know how this "utterly shook up the timeline"?
>even their philosophising is a mental jerking offYes exactly. Radfems have been saying for years that moids begin to identify with women in porn after consuming it constantly, since that is who they are seeing react and "star" in the films the most. It's really not that fucking complicated or interesting but it's probably all we will hear about for years, since every scrote loser in hollywood (and the world) is on the same boring ass "journey" to nowhere
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>>2451700>>2451606love jordan. she is definitely GC in some way, but i think she has a lot of TIF friends + her best friend is a tranny-loving bisexual man, so she ended up taking that video down for a while. vidrel is another time she got a bit TERFy.
No. 2452550
>>2452239I wish I could remember which thread it was, but one of the MTF or gender critical threads ages ago had a screenshot of a TIM saying that the worst part of WFH was going on Zoom meetings with fellow TIM coworkers and seeing and hearing each other without angles or filters or lighting, and how it made them all super depressed and suicidal.
It's really interesting how the way they view themselves is so dependent on outside affirmation and filters. That's probably why you got these responses from the TIM you spoke to, you don't provide validation and therefore your opinion isn't useful.
>>2452485I think a lot of the guilt you feel is because of how these circles work. It's not just TRA circles, it's fandom, it's social media commenting rules and the resulting self censorship, it's the constant policing of speech and conflating thoughts to actions across all online spaces that's leaking into IRL interactions.
You're made to feel like a bad person for watching the wrong anime or liking the wrong character or god forbid shipping the wrong ship or having the wrong headcanon. You can't say the wrong words, like kill, without softening them, by saying
unalive, because you might offend some oppressed minority, and then you'd have to hang yourself on camera to atone. You can't question anyone without being shunned. You aren't allowed to voice an opinion on anything without the threat of being doxed and harassed for it. You can't eat without thanking the Twitter overlords for your privilege, you can't shit without thanking Tumblr for reminding you to donate to a constipated trans woman of color, you can't cry to your closest friends about your problems without filling in a questionnaire to see if you're too privileged to be allowed to feel these emotions.
It's exhausting, and it seeps into every single little aspect of your life.
That's how cults work. It's not you, you're not a bad person, and honestly a lot of your friends aren't bad people either. Again, that is how cults work.
You might want to read about the experiences of people, particularly women, who've left Christian cults behind. These cults are normally accepted by the general public as being a bit weird but otherwise harmless, they're heavily reliant on guilt tripping, and they are rife with rules for thee but not for me. It's quite similar to what you've probably gone through, but with a greater focus on IRL activities instead of online friendships. There are resources out there for ex-cultists that might help you process your feelings and come to terms with your new reality.
Best of luck to you nonna, and remember, it's verboten to speak out of line in the echo chamber, you don't know how many of your friends are in the same boat as you.
No. 2452573
>>2452485sometimes i imagine what my friends might THINK if they knew i was a
terf but they would only be projecting a TRA's idea of what an ebil
terf is, and not what i actually think or feel, so no i don't feel guilty. i feel good about my position because it's based on caring about reality, women, and not letting children be medically abused and groomed. i want less harm not more.
female socialisation makes us feel guilty about all kinds of stupid shit, like just saying no to people, considering our own needs or having any boundaries at all. i think you're just seeing something guilt-worthy through their eyes, and not based on your actual views or feelings.
No. 2452584
>>2452485no guilt at all. I dont even see TIMs as human. just soulless uncanny abominations, just like all of the other predatory hideonistic porn-addicted scrotes. but i hate TIMs more for even thinking they can become suddenly women despite jerking off to dehumanizing porn of them for years because of their newfound fetish. and if you dont comply? well, they will threaten you and call you a hatefueled bigot. they are just like other men, except instead of being a predatory hideonistic porn addicted scrote, except now they are a
delusional predatory
skinwalking porn addicted scrote.
however i dont feel the same towards TIFs, i actually feel bad for them because i feel like they have been brainwashed in fear of FOMO, most tifs dont even take artifical hormones and they most they will do is put he/they in their twitter bio.
No. 2452612
>>2452550the last reply is extremely on point. If a tranny threatens to kill himself because i told him the sky is blue and the grass is green and not the other way around, why should i care? why do i have to be villainized if i dont coddle to sensitive mentally ill online?
Its all anti-hate unless youre “politically correct” then, you deserve every bad thing that happens to you.
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the fucking audacity
No. 2453113
>>2452980might be a blogpost but I am baffled as a person who's not in the states and has basically no black people in our country to hear all about how in the US people are so much better because they are 'very self aware' and basically are touted as way more open minded than a village babushka who's never seen anyone darker than a tanned gypsy and at the first opportunity people in the US (cuz let's be real it's mostly people in the states that bitch and moan about her gym) equate darker women being seen as men??? It would be shitty but understandable if she was framed as de ebil
terf or get the jk rowling treatment but having her race be the main thing people are upset about is disgusting. I think the more politically correct you are externally (or how vocal you are about it) is inversely correlated to how pc you actually are, these people screeching about idpol are the same ones who have wet dreams at the thought of calling black women men. A less PC person or a normie might hurt your feefees unintentionally but they are not this pathologically obsessed with race.
No. 2453196
>>2452485No. I know that good doesn't mean "be nice and accepting of everyone" and bad doesn't mean "having a bad opinion about someone". Men can't become women and vice versa, that's a fact. MtFs are dangerous to women.
I don't understand most liberals (not you, but in general), they love all sorts of scummy people just so they don't feel like they're "mean".
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I really hope it keeps getting “worse”, I don’t want to wear cute clothes around some moid who jerks off to dressing this way
No. 2453301
>>2451155>>2451735AYRT and thanks for reading/understanding what I was saying, I really think the intrasexual competition in radfem online spaces is a big part of what makes radical feminism (or radfem communities) seem unapproachable to most women, even if they agree with 95% of GC thought and aren't conservatives.
>She's a great example. She used to talk a lot about tumblr's noxious inter-troon drama and identitarian angst so i get why she was put offI get why she was put off too. When I first 'peaked' the first online space I found was r/GC back when it still existed and was actually a pretty small subreddit full of mostly middle aged and older women. It had its own problems of course (a lot of middle aged women complaining about their terrible Nigels while not doing anything about their situations, a lot of pandering to the 'good' troons like HSTS and truscum) but it definitely felt a lot less infight-y and more accessible. When I first found r/GC I hadn't been familiar with radfem thinkers but a lot of the posters there were very willing to recommend reading lists or explain 2nd wave thoughts, post quotes, etc. I found radblr later and was pretty immediately put off by how high-school-mean-girl it seemed as a community (and I'm not even talking about the 'rudefems' here who imo weren't even the worst offenders); like you said it was full of a lot of 'negging' and petty infights over practically nothing. It was also constant bisexual v lesbian drama which I just find so exhausting and I think a lot of straight women would find so unrelatable they wouldn't even want to participate in a community that spends half its time arguing about gold stars and bihets.
>We hate the beauty industry and all but this obsession with makeup and what's the correct look for a feminist is a kind of typical intrasexual policingYeah I am vocally (including irl) against the beauty industry too and I think it's important to discuss what's wrong with it and why certain fashion and beauty things are oppressive even if they don't immediately appear to be, but I also think it should be extremely low on the list of feminist priorities to nitpick random women for wearing skirts or lipstick sometimes. The all-or-nothing approach to a 'feminist lifestyle' ends up in radfems eating their own in a similar way to many 'liberal' idpol based movements and can end up working against class consciousness especially when some women are choosing between a good job/promotions and 'looking right for a radfem.' It was even more exhausting reading some of the personal posts of women nitpicking other women for wearing acne coverup or something who then would openly admit to being too scared to even hint at their radfem views irl with their friends, doing absolutely zero real activism, chickening out on following their actual passions because they were 'stereotypically male career paths,' etc. It ended up coming across as people talking a big talk on the internet because they were too afraid to do anything irl, which is understandable considering the social climate around 'terfism' but it just felt like lashing out at 'allies' out of impotence.
Speaking of which, the hate people like Meghan Murphy get also strikes me as funny considering how much bravery she had to actually do things in real life. Maybe non-Canadian radfems or younger women who discovered radfeminism recently don't understand this about her but she was one of the if not the most effective Canadian public figure when it came to doing irl GC and anti-porn/prostitution activism. People act like she's some antifeminist coward who moved to Mexico just because she's mentally weak but she literally had a TIM politician stalking her irl for over a year, had violent protests around her irl gender critical events that led to rioting, etc. I never 'liked' Meghan Murphy that much either (especially after seeing her weird flirty podcasts with Benjamin Boyce where she let him misrepresent radical feminism too many times during the discussions) but I think it's pointless to go after figures in your 'own' community this hard when they are among the only people doing irl activism. She was one of the main people to bring attention to Yaniv too who was actually harming countless real women. She was willing to put her real name and face behind hundreds of articles about the sex trafficking industry too, she wasn't 'just' a troon-hating conservative GC. That's just one among many examples I can think of where women actually doing effective activism got dogpiled by anonymous zoomer girls online playing tumblr purity politics. It's fine to criticize these people for what they get wrong (I did my fair share of criticizing her too) but when it gets to the point of actually trying to run effective activists out of the community entirely it just seems extremely counterproductive and I can't blame said activists for distancing themselves from a community that doesn't seem to want them around.
I think older GCs still remember the times when you had to do real life consciousness raising so for all their cringe opinions and antics they do tend to prioritize being more 'welcoming' to newcomers. Also young people always think that they will do it better than other generations, they will be more perfect, pure, never compromise, etc. but the cynicism that comes with being older is usually a result of experience and realizing that all your radical peers at 20 were no longer so radical at 35. Most older people realize that fighting gender roles in society is much harder than it initially appears, because like it or not there is a very strong attachment to gender roles in most societies and growing up inundated with gendered thinking/sex stereotypes makes it extremely difficult for your average person to completely unlearn them. Some gender roles are much more harmful than others and attacking the relatively more harmful ones and weakening them should be our first priority. Like I'd see the same radfems attacking women as 'antifeminist' for wearing long loose skirts but praising drag story hour because 'it's great that men are happily taking on feminine gender roles!' This is the shit that pushes some GC women toward conservatism, because their spidey senses tell them there's something inherently threatening about moids sexualizing womanface but they're called trad for it, so they go 'oh well fuck it I guess I am?' It's human nature for people (esp women who tend to be more empathetic/prosocial) to gravitate toward communities where they feel wanted/appreciated, so if the barrier to entry to radfem spaces is high and the social punishment for not conforming is brutal, it will lead to many women abandoning radfem communities for more 'accepting' ones, or just finding friends and a boyfriend and leaving political spaces altogether. But the vast majority aren't going to find some evangelical moid and 'submit' to him and quit their jobs permanently to raise 15 children just because they stopped posting on radblr.
>>2452485>>2452550No I never feel guilt for peaking but I did quite a lot for the first year or so, and I also used to feel guilty for 'clocking' TIMs/TIFs and second guess myself a lot even though I was basically always correct. As the 2nd anon I'm responding to said, it's the way these social circles work that maintains the guilt, so my solution was to just stop hanging out in these circles as much as I could and focus on my friends who weren't constantly socially pressuring and silencing me instead. When you surround yourself with emotionally mature people they won't make you feel guilty for just existing and having opinions and thoughts of your own.
No. 2453311
>>2453271>have mana-sama on your blogSo they already make exceptions for men who seem to do it for fashion reasons, just hate the obvious sissyfags. Blogpost about someone I know irl:
>small, skinny moid>wears more feminine clothing, something that reminds of gay moids, sometimes make up and knee lenght skirts>honestly cute, no problem with it>he troons out>suddenly wears only bra as top, skirts so short you can see half of his ass, fucking cat ears>"im a lesbian tee hee silly boys dont hit on me">cant go five minutes without mentioning he is trans>feel visceral disgust, can see other people around him acting uncomfortableIt is not just being gnc but how you wear it and how you act that gives women the creep vibes. Dont know much about lolita but I bet trannies who wear it add sissy/ddlg elements and act like attention whores on purpose. Then blame the women for being meanies.
No. 2453332
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>>2453313>I can dislike her cringe personality/antics and still appreciate that she put her reputation and safety on the line for women's issues multiple times over the last decade.This is how I feel and tbh think it has a lot to do with academia and canadian bro-club bar culture. I think Meghan started writing or was in uni at the time of the vice/gonzo resurgence and the only way to be included as a woman was to be gone girl "cool girl". Moids like BB are also extremely manipulative and really know how to play women like MM. I've met many women over the years who sort of embodied the "cool girl" role, maybe coincidental but they all have the same flat affect unless a moid is entertaining them (lots of fake laughs and hair twirling) but outside of those encounters, these women act almost "butch" or gnc. It's really confusing and I guess we do hold her to a higher standard when it comes to stuff like that, since she is so willing to acknowledge this behaviour in other areas, like how writing in feminism/academia is easy if you "know the language". It reminds me of when my mom gave me a copy of "the rules" during a weird menopausal moment. I wondered if alcohol had something to do with MM's bizarre interviews or the stress of everything going on (fleeing from canada, whatever moid she was living with and probably partying a bit), or at least that culture since it's still so prevalent in college/uni bars in any city. Also her friend was kind of a pick-me too, the whole thing was very bizarre but it was a weird time
>>2453320>it's only women who are usually in denial about thisA lot of women like the whole "caveman who can throw me around" thing and are totally fine with being the submissive one kek I would say irl most say stuff like that
No. 2453339
>>2453332>Moids like BB are also extremely manipulative and really know how to play women like MM. I think this is true but idk how women fall for it, the first couple videos I saw with him I thought he seemed essentially like a harmless normie (like the ones interviewing ex-TIMs I think) but watching him with MM it was extremely obvious he was using flattery to try to lower her guard and get MRA talking points past her. Like he would say some flirty/complimentary thing, she would giggle and he would immediately use the opportunity to say 'so I think feminists believe that men X and women Y but actually they're wrong because blah blah' (something really actually insulting to the intelligence of women/feminists) and she would still be on the high of him saying something flirtatious and essentially go 'mm-hmm!' She definitely is the 'cool girl' type and tbh I suspect she was used to men being rude to her because she comes across as confrontational/aggressive in other situations so this type of flattery from men probably doesn't happen to her very often. I did later watch part of a clip of him moderating a debate between her and Aella and she seemed a lot more normal in that one, being quite a lot more aggressively 'feminist' and taking both Aella and BB to task for painting 'sex work' as harmless, which made me think his flirting only worked on her one-on-one. There were also some hints in those first interviews that they had already been talking offscreen for a while before the podcast interview and he was probably buttering her up a lot beforehand, but it was still hard to watch.
>women like the whole "caveman who can throw me around" thing and are totally fine with being the submissive one True but a lot of 'feminists' especially libfems have fallen for the 'makeup and feminine clothing is empowering/it's my war paint/armor/etc!' rhetoric and those women are usually actively in denial about how these things are often used to signal submissiveness to men or at least trick women out of their money for men's benefit. I think the demographic of 'I love being a tiny pretty princess throw me around daddy' is a somewhat different demographic though.
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It only took one year to regret. It's awful what they're doing to these kids.
No. 2453561
>>2453320>'femininity' is largely imposed by moids so that women will signal subservience >They know what it signals, it's only women who are usually in denial about thisYou're telling us if men didn't exist women would all be walking around screaming and growling, violently threaten each other, dirt on our faces and dressed in rags with matted hair, spitting on the ground while dry humping the nearest sexual target clawing at them with dirty nails until they give in for sex?
It feels like a similar argument to when religious people say they know not to murder or rape because god and the bible tells them not to.
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Why are pooner trannies the grossest and ugliest of TIFs? A punchable uncanny freak of nature, it’s begging to be punched and kicked. I swear I’m not a moid who’s obsessed with wojaks just a retarded woman with anger issues kek but seriously??? it’s such a sight to behold
No. 2453644
>>2452485>do you ever feel guilt for having peaked?imo, peaking for me was actually a wash of relief. It was kind of the final frontier for me shedding my final layer of handmaidenry and seeing myself as a human being first and a woman second instead of the other way around.
I felt way more guilt when I tried to empathize with troons because I was trying (and failing) to see them as women trapped in the wrong body instead of men who use real human beings as a form of sexualized, fetishistic escapism from their own lived reality and would exploit biological women into playing along for their pleasure.
Troonism is just another manifestation of moidery. He expects you to blindly coddle him and encourage him in every aspect of his life, even if it is so obviously offensive and destructive. He doesn't care what your relationship to him is, he believes you are put on this Earth to serve him. There is nothing more liberating than refusing to play along with a moids power games. Every day I thank my foremothers for fighting endlessly for our rights, I inherit their feminism and I will built upon it with the rest of my spiritually liberated kin to free ourselves from the shackles of scrotes.
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this argument is so annoying
No. 2453661
>>2453656what the fuck is a xeno gender?
actually dont answer, Im sure someone has told me once and I just glaze over and forget just like all the other meaningless faggy labels these zoomies love to smear all over themselves
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>>2453661Basically xenogenders are just interests? This is so retarded
No. 2453746
>>2452550>>2452573>>2452584>>2453196>>2453301>>2453644thank you for all the eloquent replies, nonnies.
>you can't cry to your closest friends about your problems without filling in a questionnaire to see if you're too privileged to be allowed to feel these emotions.this reply was really, really fantastic.
maaan, if i could blogpost, i'd have some pretty insane (hilarious now) stories that follow this exact line of thinking. it is absolutely a cult!!
moving back to my hick hometown was like being on a new planet because my friends here would simply let me be sad or angry or glad with no explanation. in fact, they would all lament about how PC i used to be and how annoying it was kek. it's just so relieving to not walk on eggshells with the people i share my heart with.
now that i think about it, i carry less guilt now than i did when i was stuck in these circles. every day was like a popularity contest except it was who was more righteous and deserving of pity. i don't want to be pitied! i want to be loved and understood! i've always been crude and edgy and repressing that made me feel like i was a bad, bad person. why, because i don't have a dick between my legs or my tits chopped off?
>i feel good about my position because it's based on caring about reality, women, and not letting children be medically abused and groomed. i want less harm not more.you're so right about this, nona. it is sad that this CULT is so busy huffing their farts that they can't (and refuse) to see the damage they are doing. i feel that feminism was really relevant in the past decade and now it's been blown to pieces and eradicated by the trans movement. and we are just supposed to take that?
>liberals love all sorts of scummy people just so they don't feel like they're "mean".this was very true living in the city. if you slap a they/them label in your bio, you kind of became untouchable, which is insane! i hung around TIFs mostly and they were very cruel people and were so ready to cancel your ass and leave you for dead, so unless you wanted to be alone, you had to be nice (compliant).
>TIMs don't care what your relationship to him is, he believes you are put on this Earth to serve him.i think about this a lot. if a husband who already did no domestic labor decided to troon out years into marriage, would he start playing housewife too? absolutely not. he would still be expectant of the wife to do all the house chores, all the shopping, all the cooking, all the shit he already refused to do. except now, he can get away with being a lazy sack of shit because to defy him is violence and he will bash you on Reddit. obviously, this extends beyond the home, but i find this to be a relatable example to a lot of women
anyway.. thanks again. ♥
sorry if i totally blogposted No. 2453844
>>2453667did people forget the definition of personality?
also never in my life have i heard a woman say “omg, seeing the color pink gives me ultra spiritual connection to my identity, womanhood and feminine energy!!” its just a fucking color. this was 100% written by a tranny freak scrote.
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>>2453271yes, hrt-scrotes look sooooo good in lolita.
>transmisogonyi hate when trannies bring up this imaginary word to explain why they get made fun of. people call you ugly because you look like a man in a wig. nobody is objectifying you for your body, because youre fucking hideous.
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>>2453569Literal butch lesbians "pass" better as men and they don't inject themselves with million of hormones.
And I'm not saying this as an insulting "lol, butches are fugly men", it's just really telling which group is a painstaking performance (probably copied from BL or their other amigas) while the other group is just chill, comfy, and not caring about feminine expectations of what a woman "should" look like.
No. 2453898
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this is the gayest male thing I've seen, literally no single "gay tif" could ever produce something this authentically gay male
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>>2453939okay seriously though wtf is this? its impossible for any TIM to pass irl
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>>2453898he has caked on make up and his HRT is loosing its effect. even his forced smile is uncanny
anyone who even pretends hes passing without the airbrush and photoshop is straight up lying. every vouge magazine he is in uses photo editing and he is only there so companies can get wokebuxx
and as soon as he hits his 30s and 40s hes going to be a plastic surgery junkie and will either die from health complications or suicide in a few years. wouldnt be surprised
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Kek
No. 2454007
>>2453995>>2453997>I personally don’t think I would ever feel comfortable with men who dress or act “feminine”. This is just repackaged gender ideology. It's the same as saying "I don't feel comfortable with women who dress or act 'masculine.'" Gender roles and gender socialization is stupid, the whole reason the troon cult began is because of gender roles and gender ideology being taken to an extreme. There are no inherently "masculine" or "feminine" behaviors because those are social definitions that change between cultures and times. The only solution is the complete eradication of gender as a concept and a return to sex-based theory. Troons and troon ideology is the distilled form of gender ideology, the thing that has kept women in shackles since time immemorial, which is why TRAs pose such a threat to feminism and women's rights activists.
The reason why cross-dressing is so fetishized among perverted males is because of the rigidity of gender roles, the transgression of those roles is taboo and therefore it becomes alluring and arousing to the degenerate mind. It's why cross-dressers only get aroused while wearing skirts, but never while wearing kilts, even though both are functionally the same piece of clothing. The fetishism of AGPs and cross-dressers is directly linked to sexualized misogyny which is heightened and promoted by gender ideology.
You ever notice that every clothing item marketed as "gender neutral" or "unisex" is in actuality clothing that's been associated with men? Why are we always pushed into the periphery while moids are always considered the default or center?
No. 2454033
>>2454007>I don't feel comfortable with women who dress or act 'masculine.'"except its not, because when a woman describes herself as masculine or as a tomboy they mean they are stronger, braver etc. its almost always casual and is more of a personality type of thing. but if a man describes himself as feminine, or “girly” it ALWAYS roots from some kind of inferiority complex or self-victimization.
thats why you are so used to seeing women in suits rather than you are seeing men in dresses.
No. 2454040
>>2453678The pooner ones are fucking hideous and look like 50 year old dad with a 1970s serial killer obsession and the regular TIFs look at least salvageable to the normie/lesbo eyes. You can usually tell they are because the /g/ dykes are always thirsting after the “attractive” ones kek
>>2453864Boohoo, two deranged groups making fun of eachother and highly doubt it was made solely by troonies, troons steal from women so they probably stole from regular 4chan posters. It’s still a funny meme
No. 2454047
>>2454007Jfc, step back. Ayrt, and there’s a reason I put quotes around “feminine”. I generally agree with most of your statement. However, we do not exist in a vacuum, and I said what I said accounting for the way life presently operates. The point I was making is that the way things are now, I could never be comfortable with a moid who presents himself with “feminine” clothing or behavior (again, I don’t think there is such a thing, but I am referring to the traditional image of feminine attributes here.) because they are just creepy misogynistic fucks underneath it all. Comparing it to idiots who dislike women who dress “masculine” is quite frankly stupid, because those people are uncomfortable with it because it shatters their image of how they think a woman should behave, not because there is a legitimate reason to be concerned. (Which there absolutely is with pretty much all men, but as I stated, in my opinion, these men in particular). My (and others) being uncomfortable with men who outwardly show visible signs of their misogynistic depravity does not actively contribute to the problem you are complaining about. You can argue that it emboldens those degenerates who do it to get off to people’s discomfort, but some creep could by the same logic make the argument to de stigmatize public sex because the disgust can be a turn on to those with that fetish. It is not the fault of women made uncomfortable by “gnc” men that gender roles presently exist in society.
No. 2454050
>>2454033>when a woman describes herself as masculine or as a tomboy they mean they are stronger, braver etc.But WHY is being strong and brave considered masculine? Why can't women be strong and brave without being labelled as masculine? By saying that bravery and strength are masculine traits, you're implying that cowardice and weakness are feminine traits. It's furthering the structure of gender ideology.
>thats why you are so used to seeing women in suits rather than you are seeing men in dresses.The reason we see so many women in suits is because suits were designed for men. Many women feel the need to don the dress of the dominant class in society so that they can function as a part of it rather than being confined to the periphery of it. There's this idea that dresses aren't designed for serious business, but that's not because of the dress itself: the implicit idea behind it is that women ourselves don't belong in serious business.
It's also why drag queens are considered so humorous and drag kings aren't. There's a flash of ironic humor in seeing a member of the dominant class don the dress of the exploited class. When men dress in women's clothes, it makes the unawakened laugh, similarly to how seeing a white man in blackface was so hilarious to people in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
No. 2454054
>>2453898Christ he is such a faggot. He is what helped me peak my closest friend, but I forgot how absolutely wretched he looks.
I also hate how he throws himself back on the couch to flash his ill-fitting and disgusting underwear. So woman-like kek
No. 2454074
>>2453561Uh no I'm saying if men didn't exist/we didn't live in a patriarchal consumerist society where rich moids own most women's beauty and fashion brands women wouldn't feel the need to spend thousands on reconstructing their faces/bodies with aesthetic surgeries to fit sexualized ideals, spend thousands completely covering their face with paint, walk around in 3+ inch stiletto heels on a regular basis or wear scratchy polyester lingerie that provides no support/gives them yeast infections + ridiculously uncomfortable mini/pencil skirts they can't walk/run in to their day jobs. Women and young girls certainly wouldn't be afraid of losing their jobs for not performing these rituals or dropping half their paycheque (like in some East Asian countries) on surgeries for their resume photo for fear of not getting hired in the first place if they keep their natural jaws/eyelids. People would still try to be attractive and look ornamental for some events but the main yardstick for attractiveness wouldn't be doing and wearing incredibly impractical, in some cases harmful things even for normal daily activities. Women wouldn't own $800 pairs of Christian Louboutin torture heels 'just for walking from the bedroom door to the bed' without patriarchy and 17 year old girls wouldn't be making tiktoks about how many anti-aging products they use because they're scared of being 'walled' by age 25.
Note that when men control the fashion and beauty industries there are still fashion and beautification products for men but they tend to be much more practical, comfortable and cost-effective ones. At my nearest pharmacy there's a whole third of an aisle devoted to douching products and feminine hygiene wipes that 'will make you smell like flowers' which aren't even safe to use while the average moid hasn't figured out how to wipe his ass with toilet paper. Even just look at the difference between men's razors (which often cost less) and women's razors (which cost more but are of drastically worse quality). Moid capitalists figured out that a woman and her money are easily parted if girls can be shamed from the youngest possible age into thinking that everything about their natural bodies is a disgusting flaw and then offered expensive solutions by the same moids who told them that in the first place. And yes the most extreme examples of this 'visual femininity' are the things that genderist moids (drag queens and TIMs alike) immediately shell out for when they decide to 'perform femininity' or 'look like women.' Thigh high lacy stockings and lacy underwear/push up bras, heavy makeup, nails, plastic chokers, stiletto heels, micro-mini skirts or pencil skirts etc. unless they're autopedophiles who immediately go for diapers and rompers with pigtails. You notably don't see a lot of 'I just like women's clothing' moids going for fancy loose silk PJ sets, avant garde but non-revealing dresses/robes that play with structure and volume, flatforms or chunky heels or trendy sneakers, barrel leg jeans, minimalist gold jewelry, linen oversized shirts or oversized cashmere trench coats, complex/muted color schemes/prints, or any of the things actual female fashionistas wear, it's always the clothing moids impose upon women for 'signaling femininity' in the first place. Paired with fake shrill voices and 'cutesy' mannerisms women only do when they're around moids if they do them at all.
No. 2454122
>>2452485Yes, and it comes down to 2 things:
1. Me wanting to be accepting of everyone. Like when I interacted with an mtf in the wild and he seemed really nice (although he was an older one) I immediately felt kind of bad. But when you think about it, someone could be pretending to be another race or something stupid and still be nice, it wouldn't validate their delusions.
2. Pressure from society. The amount of pro troon shit around me makes me feel like people think I'm the equivalent of a white supremacist or something for not signing onto the trans shit. They haven't looked into at all and just assume that if you don't support the trans movement it's because you're a hateful bigot and not because there could be legit reasons.
No. 2454138
>>2453644I felt really relieved too because the weight of cognitive dissonance, doublethink/speak, ignoring your safety instincts and basic biology to gaslight yourself is extremely heavy. It actually cognitively impairs human beings to have to 'force' cognitive dissonance in the form of doublethink/speak and keep track of/attend to repetitive lies like inaccurate pronouns. I did initially have a huge sense of relief, freedom and lightness from peaking.
But I also initially felt guilt for feeling that way, ironically, because the weight being lifted off my shoulders felt indulgent and 'unfair' combined with the years of mental guilt tripping about how poor and hard-done-by gendies are, so initially it felt like a guilty pleasure to feel so free in my thoughts knowing that many people I interacted with/liked were walking around thinking I believed their lies and knowing that they would be hurt by my real thoughts. This didn't last long though as the solution was to cut out/slow fade those people and my life felt so much better not being around people I felt like I had to lie to all the time (and who clearly were lying to me and themselves too). I think the guilt I felt was mainly toward the gendie women I knew (I knew more gendie women than men at that time) and I felt bad for abandoning those friendships because I knew many of them were mentally ill and I was always kind of the 'caring friend'/shoulder to cry on, but at the end of the day I realized it would just be disrespectful and patronizing to keep up friendships which didn't feel at all mutually beneficial or honest. No one actually wants to have friends who only hang out with them out of pity. I knew those friends would be better off with people who didn't actually suffer being around them. So the sense of guilt only lasted as long as I kept delusional people around in my friend circles.
>>2453746>you can't cry to your closest friends about your problems without filling in a questionnaire to see if you're too privileged to be allowed to feel these emotions.I'm nta who originally posted that but true story I once had a wealthy, extremely attractive, non-immigrant (with non-immigrant parents), highly educated mixed-race gendie friend who actually posted the 'invisible backpack' questionnaire on her socials and demanded all her friends filled it out and posted their scores before 'engaging with' her lmao, so her friends would realize how ill-equipped they are to truly understand the depth of her suffering I guess and bow down to her extremely high number of oppression points. So some people literally do, in fact, make you fill out a questionnaire. That was the last time I ever interacted with that girl. Ironically she didn't even score particularly high on the oppression points quiz since she was incredibly privileged despite being biracial, but I guess it didn't occur to her that many of the friends she was trying to guilt trip with the questionnaire were a lot less privileged than her in almost every way. The people who unironically care about oppression pyramid points usually do so because they severely lack empathy and theory of mind.
>if a husband who already did no domestic labor decided to troon out years into marriage, would he start playing housewife too?Not only do they not play housewife too, they actually drastically add to their wife's emotional and domestic labor load by demanding their wives 'teach' them makeup/haircare, take them shopping for women's clothing and coo over them (or straight up give them their own clothing), pander to their weird made-up 'menstrual cycles' and food cravings, and pave the way for him to 'come out' to all their friends/relatives too (they often literally make their wives do the work of coming out to their own parents/siblings on their behalf). They also usually completely wreck the family finances for their own hobbies too and leave their families destitute. So no, they do the exact opposite of picking up 'womanly' domestic and emotional labor.
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>>2454026the typo makes it funnier. who cars
the original image said "your english is bad" so it's written this way on purpose
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>>2453995>>2454007>>2454047I think it depends on whether they're doing it purely for aesthetic purposes, as a sort of outrageous costume. For example, the hair metal and glam bands of the 80s technically had a feminine aesthetic, but that was part of the overall look, there's a big difference between that aesthetic and outright cross-dressing. cause the latter often involves wanting to dress as an ‘idea’ of a woman, which usually stems from fetish reasons.
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>>2452485No. I do not look at my own beliefs, motivated my disgust at the mass sterilization of gay, gnc, and autistic kids, and think, "Am I a bad person?" Especially when TRAs
never stop and think that about themselves, even though they've put male rapists in women's prisons and have kneecapped the pro-choice movement by forbidding that people characterize abortion bans as misogynistic.
No. 2454224
>>2454007>This is just repackaged gender ideology.This is the exact guilt trip that frequently leads even GC women to 'accept' and 'support' drag culture, 'good' HSTS/truscum troons, etc. It seems to make sense on the surface but it makes no sense if you actually think about what gender roles are.
>It's the same as saying "I don't feel comfortable with women who dress or act 'masculine.'"No, it isn't. Almost no one feels genuinely uncomfortable around women who dress or act 'masculine.' With few exceptions (sex stereotypes/roles that are closely linked to actual biological sexually dimorphic traits), 'masculine' gendered things are everything that is considered default, good, and admirable. Since moids are the main arbiters of gender roles they mostly take the things they like, are comfortable/convenient/beneficial, or the things that are 'just positive human qualities' for themselves, and what remains is 'feminine,' i.e. things that signal social subservience and submissiveness to the 'real' humans (males), qualities they see as bad, or roles which are inconvenient/unpleasant. Therefore most people naturally understand and aren't uncomfortable or creeped out by women behaving or dressing in a 'masculine' manner since they're just doing normal, beneficial, convenient things typical of all self-respecting people, and most people are naturally creeped out by men performing 'femininity' because it encompasses the leftover bad, submissive, subservient things. In a society that had fewer culturally constructed 'gender roles' everyone, men and women alike, would mostly be performing what is currently the 'masculine' gender role if they had an option to do so. The exceptions again would be things that are actually linked to natural sexual dimorphism, so, for example, violence and rapeyness would still be associated more strongly with males, as would large musculature, low body fat, balding and tall height.
Masculinity and femininity in patriarchal societies are inherently not equal but opposite things randomly assigned to each sex, they are 'good' things for men and 'bad' things for women (that benefit men and sometimes children but not the women themselves). Just as one example, in societies where being seen as spiritual/emotional/sensitive was viewed as positive/superior these traits were associated with men, while in societies where being seen as rational/detached/stoic was viewed as positive/superior these traits were also associated with men. Lower paid or unpaid careers are always 'inherently the female role' in every patriarchal society regardless of what skills the career actually requires. Men tolerate and like extremely uncomfortable/ornamental clothing in societies where social status is mostly signaled by ornamental fabrics and jewelry (like ancient societies in which certain textiles/dyes/metals/stones were very rare and expensive), but not in societies (like current western society) where wealth is commonly signaled by other sorts of possessions like cars, tech, watches, etc.
>the transgression of those roles is taboo and therefore it becomes alluring and arousing to the degenerate mind.Notice how this is almost never the reason women act or dress 'masculine'?
>The only solution is the complete eradication of gender as a concept and a return to sex-based theory.This is never going to happen because 'gender' is just stereotypes associated with or pushed on people of each sex. It doesn't exist outside of that and is not actually arbitrary. Moids will literally never stop trying to assert power and reproductive ownership over the female sex class, so they will always try to impose 'gender roles' on women. The closest we'll get to deconstructing 'gender' is women not complying (i.e., in many cases, 'acting masculine'). Of course there are also 'gender stereotypes' that are biologically linked, like height, greater devotion to children, and propensity toward violence, and these are unlikely to change even if they can be socially mitigated. Also for clothing to be comfortable it's always going to be a bit different for men and women, since women need larger hip and chest allowance, higher waists, and have different Q-angles. Even for clothing that can theoretically be cut like a big rectangle (like yukata) it will look different on the female/male form, and fetishy AGP moids will always try to 'ape' the female version of the clothing by padding their chests, belting higher on the waist to mimic a female shape, etc.
>You ever notice that every clothing item marketed as "gender neutral" or "unisex" is in actuality clothing that's been associated with men?You're so close to getting it.
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>>2454207I was watching music videos of those bands a while back and thinking about how a lot of those guys passed better as women than literal troons
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>>2452485No. When I was introduced to the concept of trannies for the first time, I always knew trans "women" were literally just men and vice versa. I always knew this since I was like sixteen. Redditors (back when I frequented that shithole) and other faggots would always dogpile the FUCK out of me about being a "transphobic piece of shit", and would drag my posts across multiple subreddits so they can have raging hateboners over a sixteen-year-old girl knowing that a man calling himself a woman doesn't mean he is one. You wanna know my honest to God reaction? My knowing that men are men and will stay men did not change. AP Bio and Anatomy/Physiology weren't hard. What that experience taught me were two things. Not only are trannies and the people that go hard for them some clinically sick retards, but a sizable amount of both trannies and their fanatics are genuinely terrible people. I openly smile at women who are "transphobic" out in the open. I go out of my way to be extra polite to them.
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>>2454235whenever i see a tranny sperg about the ebil terfs i think about this image.
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>>2452485Yes, mostly because I'm an ex-TIF and from my point of view everyone seemed fine with it, so sometimes I wonder if I've gone insane somewhere along the way. Like, maybe my perspective is skewed and I've got everything wrong about how these unregulated drugs and surgeries generate massive income for the medical industry, or that maybe I really am a puritan because I don't consent to men parading their sissy (and zoo/incest/bdsm/etc) fetishes out in the open. But then I poke through a detrans testimony or some crime stats or a court case (like in picrel where WPATH admits to something fucking insane) or even just read something written by a trans journalist, and realise that this is all just unforgivable.
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>>2454237I know, I never said it was crossdressing. I just think it's funny that some of those men could almost be more convincing as women when they weren't even going for that.
>>2454227KEK, I didn't know that song was about Vince Neil. Steven Tyler probably shouldn't be throwing stones though, he looks like if you FaceApp mixed Julia Roberts with Caitlyn Jenner
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>>2454257all tirfs end up hard peaking anyway from my experience. trannies really hate it when you bring up the reality of sex and that's a core tenet of radical feminism: sexism is on the basis of SEX, not pronouns. anyway i really despise feminist trannies. bloomfilters just parrots radfem rhetoric but word salads troonism into it all the time and his retarded fangirls celebrate it
No. 2454320
>>2454235Same here nonna (always knowing trans women were men and vice versa) so my 'peaking' didn't consist of realizing men can't be women etc. When I 'peaked' it was because I had bought into the claim that troons genuinely have deep intractable delusions that they are 'meant to be' the opposite sex, naturally 'identify' with the opposite sex, are extremely distressed by their bodies and will kill themselves or something if people don't play along with their delusions. My 'peaking' consisted of realizing that they don't genuinely think this and aren't even trying to act like the opposite sex and have never genuinely 'identified' with the opposite sex. So I felt 'bad' about peaking at first because it felt like I was mentally accusing a large number of people I knew of being deceptive shameless liars, which I guess I pretty much was. It took a while to stop feeling bad about this but troons sure made it easy to stop feeling bad about it with the way they attacked and threatened violence and deplatforming whenever someone pointed out their lies.
>>2454271Amazing screencap anon, I started reading the WPATH files but there was just so much of it and it was all so insane I probably only made it through 1/20th of the documents. I should go back and read more of them because holy shit that's bleak. And this is always what 'trust the science (TM)' morons point to as 'scientific consensus!'
No. 2454393
>>2454359>I’m not necessarily opposed to adults medically transitioning with informed consent.Are you in favor of elective limb amputations for BID patients as well? Prescribing Ozempic or adderall or performing bariatric surgeries on adult anorexics? Euthanasia for depressed college students?
>It’s one thing to be a hsts, it’s another to be a rape obsessed agp constantly invading lesbian/bisexual spaces.Functionally what's the difference between a homosexual and heterosexual rape ape constantly invading women's spaces? HSTS troons may be less likely to physically violate women but it's still violative for gay men to be in female spaces.
>>2454388Modern troons wear makeup too, often more of it, and usually grow their hair out too. Neither of those things make men look especially more like women; if anything the glam rock moid 'passes' better at a glance because he's wearing far less makeup than your average modern TIM.
No. 2454470
>>2454296What he's saying is completely meaningless. Even if you understand each word and its marxist implications, it means nothing when put together. It's the lefty version of speaking in tongues
>>2454007>The reason why cross-dressing is so fetishized among perverted males is because of the rigidity of gender rolesNah. Men have relatively more range to express themselves. Men can cry, be weak etc. It's often repulsive to other men but then there will almost always be a cohort of women to support them, even fawn over feminine men, making sure these men get to express their feefees and cry on their shoulder. The only difference is, this support is completely invisible, only men's acceptance matters to men so that's why they mainly discuss male rejection. But the support these men get (if not from women and handmaidens, from mothers) has an impact. AGPs are often un-masculine, they don't necessarily suffer from a masculine role prison the way women are bound by femininity. We've already debated this in a previous thread, you're projecting a female-specific experience of gender roles onto men. Even if your hypothesis was true, tackling fetish isn't as simple as being nice and accepting to weak men.
>It's the same as saying "I don't feel comfortable with women who dress or act 'masculine.'" It's not. Women and men do not have identical sexual developments and a masculine woman (whatever her sexuality may be) is different from a man with a fetish. Often the feminine man in question is only superficially feminine anyways. No woman feels threatened or put off by a genuinely soft and empathetic man.
No. 2454517
>>2454483The place you can go and talk that has a middle ground for these topics is irl. That's why the main solution to gender bullshit of any variety (tradcon or leftist) is just to go outside.
>>2454470NTAYRT and I actually strongly disagreed with her post too but I assumed she meant 'the rigidity of gender roles' for male fashion, i.e. that it is 'taboo' for men to dress in feminine fashion while it is not taboo for women to dress in masculine fashion. But it seems like she's missing the actual reason for that which is that the whole point of 'feminine' fashion is to force women to hobble themselves, display themselves as sex objects and signal a submissive sex role. So of course when men dress in 'feminine' fashion it's taboo - to women it seems creepy that a moid would have a fixation on taking on the hobbling they force onto women since women know men would only do this for fetishistic reasons, while for men it's offputting because they don't understand why another man would humiliate himself like that. It's uncomfortable schadenfreude for most men to see a moid doing this, like watching someone step in a steaming pile of dog shit barefoot.
>Men can cry, be weak etc. It's often repulsive to other menI don't even believe it's repulsive to other men. Men are constantly coddling each other as they act weak, hysterical and pathetic about the tiniest things. They only find men crying or being weak repulsive when the man is crying out of actual genuine human emotions like empathy (for a woman), genuine love (for a woman) or something like that, because again they view it as similar to stepping in shit. But if a man cries and chimps out over his favorite soccer team losing a match, or whines for hours on a daily basis about how women are all disgusting whores who 'divorce rape' them or whatever, other men usually view it as normal and sympathize. Men acting emotional and chimping out isn't seen as feminine, men acting emotional over something noble or beautiful is though.
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>>2454296Yeah it’s the new thing for TIMs to say that misogyny is based on gender ROLES, so anyone who “opts in” to being a women is subject to it, because being a women is such a vague and abstract concept apparently otherwise. And since being a women ‘is a choice’ females choose to do, their oppression is ‘transmisogyny’ because gender is elective, and misogyny is just a catch all for discriminating against GNC people. This is also how you get bullshit like the UN saying the oppression of Afghani women being as a result of them ‘identifying’ as women.
No. 2454535
>>2454517Yeah I’m aware, most people in my circle are reasonable about it, but it still sucks that the legislatures we are electing refuse to reflect the common people (see: the Democratic Party refusing to budge an INCH on this issue even for reasonable shit like minors transitioning/males participating in female sports, even when polls show most of their voters are against it). So I think some mainstream soc presence would be important in trying to get that party to realize how unpopular these issues are, especially since they refuse to listen to
victims complain about it right in front of them. I also think it’s important because new generations of kids are spending more time on the internet and a mainstream GC movement would prevent most from falling in the rabbit hole.
No. 2454619
>>2454535Politicians rarely reflect the common people on almost anything tbf, it's just that usually they can get away with being a little sneakier about it. It's become difficult to be sneaky about their support for the trans issue since it's getting so much attention, but at first like
>>2454522 said all kinds of troon laws were passing unbeknownst to almost any normie because most normies weren't aware of them existing. The Democratic party has hinged so much of their image/campaigns for years now on culture wars issues precisely because they so blatantly refuse to do anything economically beneficial for the general public that they tried to retain votes through culture wars divide and conquer, and it actually worked for a very long time but seems to have stopped working as well since 2020 or so.
It's what their entire strategy was based on though so it's going to be very hard for them to walk it back now because they had very little else to offer that actually passed any basic level of scrutiny. Making 'little' or 'insignificant' promises that seem highly culturally significant (like we're going to rewrite some laws to stop being bigots against troons!!) is much easier than trying to push through something like single payer healthcare, major tax reform, etc. I know there are probably some other reasons why a lot of major left/lib/centrist governments in the West keep pushing the troon issue (big pharma, some major funders/billionaires being transhumanist or pedos) but I think the biggest one is simply that these culture wars issues are easy to legislate or force through with EOs and serve as a smokescreen for the lack of action on more complex political issues that affect everyone. Where they misfired with the troon issue is they truly thought (and continue to argue, desperately) that changing some laws around gender would 'barely affect anyone' because it's 'such a small group of people' so they thought it would be easily accepted, not realizing how desperate troon scrotes are to railroad women in every possible way. They bargained for an issue that seems sympathetic but 'only affects like 0.3% of the population' and got an issue that actually affects at least 51% of the population instead, and they don't know how to backtrack. But they're so accustomed to doing nothing for women and getting the female vote anyway because 'women are empathetic about minorities right' and because they occasionally pay lip service to female issues while conservatives historically are more vocally misogynist that I think it genuinely never occurred to them they could lose women's support like this. Women always fall for the 'pity poor minorities' card right?
>>2454549AYRT but I also wanted to add that women actually often do the same thing too, especially boymoms, female teachers, etc. Women don't coddle all male emotions as moidlets are growing up or as they become young adults, they specifically coddle moids who cry and act hysterical when they feel slighted, injured, offended, or embarrassed and emotionally lash out. But a lot of these women actually will tell moidlets to calm down/have a stiff upper lip if the moidlet shows some kind of self-directed or self-aware emotion like shame, remorse, or empathy/sympathy for people 'weaker' or lower on the social ladder than himself. Boymoms will encourage their moidlets to cry and pity themselves when rejected or hurt by girls (often talking up their feelings by calling the girls evil little whores), but they will go cold toward their sons if the son is remorseful for hurting or bullying a girl, cries out of genuine shame, or wants to make it up to someone for hurting them. So it's not that either men or women discourage moids from showing emotion, they just encourage emotions that are a reflection of an entitled or competitive attitude rather than emotions that are prosocial or self-reflective in nature.
No. 2454712
>>2454586It's extremely unfortunate imo because I really believe most women who are even vaguely feminist-aligned or drawn to feminism are, on a basic level, well-meaning toward each other (and women as a whole) on a theoretical and abstract level, and understand that women need to work together and have class consciousness to improve our lot in life. But through some combination of female socialization and probably also to a smaller degree psyops/infiltration by bad actors, feminist communities almost always end up imploding and fracturing whenever they pick up any kind of momentum. Women consistently rebuild feminist communities over the years and make some more gains here and there, but if you compare feminist movements to male-dominated social movements you can see a lot of male-dominated social movements progress in a linear or even exponential fashion, picking up speed as more moids with shared interests get on board.
Moids are extremely homosocial and view other moids as by default more human than women, so many moids will set their differences aside if it means working for their sex class interests (or other interests of subsets of men). They will tolerate a lot of heterogeneity in male social groups and easily fall into hierarchical structures where they are fairly loyal to male 'leaders' (one rare thing I think Jordan Peterson is pretty much right about, just look at how moids operate in the military for an example) as long as they have another group they're punching down on. I think radical feminist thinkers in the 2nd wave were correct that one of the problems with women's movements is women actually love their oppressors (men) while our oppressors don't tend to love us, so women will always try to make exceptions for the 'good men' which is more rare in men (even if men protect 'their own' women it's more often because they see them as property/an extension of themselves than because of genuine love and respect). And because men often see women as property they will put up with other moids wanting bad things for women as a whole because they assume they can always protect 'their own' women from other moids if push comes to shove.
But loving/empathizing with men obviously isn't the only issue because this can even happen in female separatist movements or those that are predominantly lesbian - you can hop over to radblr and see that many lesbians cape for gay moids while hating bisexual women and will prioritize homosexual men over bisexual or straight women while calling themselves 'radfems.' Meanwhile throughout the history of the gay rights movement gay moids often didn't care or do much for lesbians but would openly cape for the pedo movement, troons, etc. while throwing women and children under the bus. I think another issue is just that women tend to be both more conformist/prosocial (with each other) and more conscientious than moids are, and this can lead to issues like: 1. not wanting to show 'tough love' to other women because it could be hurtful/alienating, and therefore not wanting to be too harsh on the moids connected to those women 2. difficulty forming strict hierarchies, 3. a desire to talk out/iron out any disagreements before moving on, which can end up leading to huge infights and divisions in the group since no large heterogenous group can fully agree on everything, 4. suspicion of women who 'stick out' or act 'stereotypically masculine' in some way, even if those women are natural leaders who are offering viable solutions or pointing out weaknesses in the movement, 5. expecting nurturing behavior from other members of the movement and using activist spaces as social support spaces (which is fine in some contexts but destructive in others).
Due to these factors as well as the tendency for sympathy for men, women's movements often get overly idealistic/utopian in their goals and strategies since they will often prioritize 'preventing harm' and 'hearing everyone out' over accomplishing some intermediate/short-term goal which invariably includes preventing harm to the pet males of other women in the movement too. Many women also struggle to understand that male-run political and civic groups will 100% throw them under the bus whenever necessary and don't have their best interests at heart, so they focus on 'permanently' allying with certain groups of males and maintaining loyalty to them over temporarily and strategically allying with whoever will help them out in the short term.
It's a tough balance to try to have solidarity with all women in a general sense (i.e., prioritizing What Will Be Better For Most Women Objectively In The Long Term) while also not mollycoddling every single group of women in the short term. This is why you get so many people infighting about, e.g., 'sex work' - it's good to consider the long term interests of 'sex workers' by making prostitution safer and trying to abolish it altogether but a lot of women's movements have gotten stuck in the weeds arguing with prostitutes about whether prosecuting sex traffickers and johns will reduce their current income stream and make them poor. You can also see in this thread how many 'peaked' women who know TRAs are retarded still feel guilt about knowing TRAs are retarded, are scared to tell their TIF friends they are retarded (even in the gentlest terms) or be open about their views on genderism. I'm not blaming anyone for this specifically and have been there myself but this is why you end up with conservatives seemingly making more 'progress' on anti-TRA politicking when 70% of their talking points are stolen wholesale from the feminists they claim to hate. Conservative groups run/supported by moids don't care about making TIFs feel bad so they just bulldoze through all the noise about how 'they're nice actually and they have good reasons for feeling this way and maybe if we didn't have gender roles girls wouldn't want to cut their breasts off' and go to the media saying 'troons are creepy and retarded groomers mutilating children and being sex pests, this must end' while a lot of GC feminists are still stuck trying to gently talk individual TIFs into desisting while protesting that 'I don't hate you, really! You are a
victim!' and worrying that if they approach it the wrong way they might inadvertently seem like they support gender roles. Of course there is merit to being careful with language and intent but in the meantime more children are being mutilated and eventually moids will still say 'feminists supported this and did nothing' and will think they're right.
Sorry for the autistic longpost but I've been 'GC' for 10 years now and 'feminist' for longer and it's so endlessly frustrating to see retarded conservatives lap feminists on actually passing legislation to protect women from legally being defined out of existence while feminists keep arguing with each other about how much makeup makes you a bad person or whether Posie Parker is a real or fake Nazi and whether we should support banning males from female restrooms or oppose it if Nancy Mace sponsored the legislation. Yeah guys idk maybe try to let them back in until a more palatable woman sponsors the bill.
No. 2454941
>>2452485Sometimes if I put it into relation with the people I know in real life. Isolated on my own, no, I don’t feel guilty. I don’t know now if the people I have around me are talking badly about me because of my views, maybe probably labeling me as “
problematic.” Even when I don’t tend to like to rock the boat letting all out is a relief. I felt more alive when I admitted to being against it, because I’m so tired of the pandering/coddling and pretending
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>>2455003their only imagination of how it FEELS to be a woman is to be fucked by a man cos… porn. to them presumably women just walk around like NPCs waiting for a man to have sex with them, then they come alive. he gives it away when he says "asian girl" because that is his specific fetish, which he wants to become. the fact he had to pay or coerce/rape these women into having sex with him is irrelevant, how they feel is not important it is all about his fantasy and what he projects onto them.
>>2450325picrel is some of the deluded comments on the rockwell scene from the white lotus subreddit.
>men philosophising over how this scene AcKtUaLly shows us how the asian women were the ones in power and he just wanted some of that power! gender envy is reaaaaaallll guys
>philosophising and trying to relate his fetish to buddhism somehow>based asian woman brings up the obvious fact that this scene is about a man objectifying women like herself>TIM says he felt uncomfortable too even though he is doing the exact same thing. No. 2455052
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>>2454712>still feel guilt about knowing TRAs are retarded, are scared to tell their TIF friends they are retarded (even in the gentlest terms) or be open about their views on genderismBlame their parents. They taught them to be 'nice' and 'kind', not to be compassionate.
No. 2455085
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Retard handmaiden choking on tranny cock and calling TIMs better women than real women.
No. 2455251
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>>2455085>The best women are misogynistic, porn addicted men, they are sooooo brave to come out and invade women's spaces and threaten lesbians with rape.TRA's and MRA's really are nothing more than a letter away.
No. 2455355
>>2455085I once believed too that these men loved and admired women so much that they were willingly forfeiting their manhood , but that lasted little kek. These scrotes watch so much porn to the point that they desire to be the “woman” aka the object being used in their eyes.
You never hear a TIM saying that he became a woman because he loved and admired his mother /sister or any other female figure so much, no it’s always how girly clothes made him euphoric aka horny and how hot he felt when he was stealing his sister’s panties or imagining himself being fucked by another men and having a girlgasm (many of them in fact say that “being fucked” is the most womanly think ever). They also retain the same male entitlement, male aggressiveness and crime rate too, they are just misogynists in a dress and makeup with estrogenized tubular tits.
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>>2454939Feeling 'more alive' is a good way to put it, forcing yourself to lie and experience cognitive dissonance really dampens your life force in some way and makes you feel less mentally sharp, which I think is deliberate.
>>2454951It is gaslighting. It's one of the best examples of gaslighting on a society-wide level I can think of. They literally make women put up with constant, daily abuses to our rights, to our intellectual integrity and instincts (using preferred pronouns, pretending men can be female/get periods/are similar in athletic ability to women, aren't creeps, etc), etc. and then claim 'it's not happening' or better yet 'it can't be happening because there's not enough troons for this to be happening' or 'troons can't be like (they are) because they're women and women aren't like this.' Never let them gaslight you into thinking this isn't gaslighting kek.
>>2455016>their only imagination of how it FEELS to be a woman is to be fucked by a man, cos… porn.Notable 'trans scholars' like Andrea Long Chu admit this openly in their 'intellectual' writings on gender, so not only is this observable but it's directly confirmed by troon 'experts' themselves. Honter's diary said the same thing, so did other writers like Julia whatshisface the ex-biologist.
>>2455052It's not just their parents, the way society socializes women from birth encourages girls/women to be like this even if their parents try to teach them to stand up for themselves/act GNC. It's really hard to break such strong social conditioning (we should try anyway, but it's an uphill battle). There may also be a biological component to this; since women are physically weaker and more reproductively vulnerable than men, 'fawning' and appeasement of predators/cooperative behavior with other women in the group are more likely to be used by women as self-preservation strategies while moids are more likely to resort to violence/chimp out due to their brute strength and their defective chromosome that gives them a strong death drive. Altruistic/prosocial behavior has many advantages, it's just not very effective politically when you're up against groups of men because they're unlikely to reciprocate that social strategy.
I've been pretty open about my
TERF views for the last decade but even I felt like I needed to be crypto in certain situations in college or in professional situations because there can be severe social and professional consequences for standing up to TRAs. I think if more women were open about their gender critical views en masse there wouldn't be the same risk but it's a hard ask to tell individual women to speak out and publicly identify themselves as 'bigots' when it might lead to the police knocking on your door (like in the UK, germany), getting kicked out of school (Lindsay Shepherd), or losing your entire social support system. There's an element of women wanting to be 'nice' but it's also mixed with an element of fear for personal safety.
No. 2455552
>>2455085This might literally be one of the top 5 most pathetic and cucked things I've ever seen. Every word that exits her mouth is more wrong than the last.
>I will always always always stand up for the dolls… 'til my dying breathI hope they're paying you because they will never stand up for you.
>I truly believe that trans girls are the best of us>girlsGood for you, the moids also think they are 'better at being women' than women themselves, and they'll tell you openly they think that because the essence of being a woman is being a fuckable hole and pandering to male sexual depravity. That's something to aspire to I guess, reducing your humanity to being a better 'hole' for moids to abuse. An actual woman would never because actual women have this inconvenient little notion that we are people.
>They are actually one of the purest forms of womanhoodOne of? I wonder what the other ones are.
>highlight some of the most beautiful parts of womanhoodWhat, that men see us as sex objects?
>throw away all the privilege that you have as … a manI really wonder what handmaidens mean when they say this. What male privileges do troons throw away?
>and choose girlhood>girlhoodSo they were men but now they're 'girls'?
>You have a life expectancy of 40lmao do handmaidens actually believe this? Half the troons I see transitioned after age 40.
>instantly become the most at-risk womanfor AIDS, maybe
>I would choose my girlhood at knife pointyou look like an adult woman to me but okay. How exactly would you go about not 'choosing' your girlhood? Can someone make you male at knifepoint?
>men risking their safety to say I am a woman is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen!yeah so beautiful that they would 'risk their safety' just to have an erection around little girls in a swimming pool change room.
>they're not stupid, they see how y'all are treating the other trans girlsYes, they see that they instantly get attention, asspats and opportunities that would otherwise have gone to women the second they claim they feel like one and they realize it's a shortcut to getting all the things they were too pathetic to achieve as males (winning sports medals when they weren't athletic and didn't want to train, coercing women into pity sex, winning grants and scholarships meant for women, being told they're 'beautiful' and sexually desirable when they're incel ogres).
>>2455355>You never hear a TIM saying that he became a woman because he loved and admired his mother /sisterThis is actually so telling because it would be such an easy thing to say if they wanted to seem legitimate or actually convince women they identify/empathize with us, yet they won't even do that because it never occurs to them to actually try to make women trust them. Violating the boundaries of women who are scared of them and don't want them around is the part they get off on, that's why they don't even bother pretending to empathize with or like us. Telling us 'I'm a gaping open hole for fucking, just like you' is part of the humiliation fetish - they get off on being humiliated themselves but still asserting that being a woman is even more humiliating and dehumanizing. They have to assert their superiority by insisting they're just playacting dehumanization for fun, while women are the actual non-humans. Why do you think they all admit to masturbating into their mom's/sister's underwear? They're incestuously asserting dominance over their own female family members and trying to humiliate and traumatize them publicly.
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>>2455552> for AIDS, maybeKEK nonna, the way you are actually right.
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A drawing of a lion calling himself a "she/her" while his handmaids do all the work to defend a lazy ass lion who won't do shit for them until he's called "sir".
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It still makes me chuckle when trannies tried to compare womanhood and our real problems on par with them. You put on a wig and delude yourself as a woman, we are not the same, you’re still a man first and foremost.
No. 2456014
>>2456007Pretty much.
>indulgence and deliveranceWhen what he means is that this woman just said she was saved from sex trafficking by feminists. I guess the being sex trafficked part was the 'indulgence' and the escaping trafficking part was the 'deliverance' that she needs to think of in a 'deeper binary' (whatever that means)?
>pouring over trans women's selfiespouring what?
>we can talk about the deeper issues involved with sex work … without acting like it is an inherent sin to be absolved ofProjection. Note how he is the one invoking the madonna whore complex saying she wants to be 'absolved of the sin' of being sex trafficked when she described literally being saved from harm. Of course moids can't empathize with women wanting to escape prostitution because they are the ones being harmed, so instead they read women's self-preservation instincts as guilt for 'sins' because they think being a prostituted woman is a sexy and taboo thing the woman feels scandalized about, not a traumatizing experience where she was the
victim.
No. 2456024
Will the retards on this site ever realise that "she could have been so beautiful if she never destroyed her youthful feminine looks with T" is the most counterproductive shit possible? Tifs want nothing more than to be rough, hard, powerful, qualities they utterly lack and which they attribute to maleness (blaming their sex instead of the fact that they're timid little tumblrinas). Ugliness, baldness, tifs don't give a shit about that, that makes them feel ultra masculine. If you want to frame womanhood in a way that actually has any emotional resonance to them, you'd be better off going at an angle that emphasizes in women the characteristics they project onto men. Perhaps frame it as "choose between being a constantly self-monitoring, pale imitation of a male, or being a tough [etc, insert adjectives relating to strength and dominance here] unapologetic female"
And even so, most tifs you will never be able to convince out of wishing to be male. Often the most you can do to dissuade them is to show that passing is a near impossible task and that even their most trutrans passing idols (eg buck angel) still speak with a woman's voice.
No. 2456025
>>2456017As you can see from this post
>>2455991 above, moids can only fathom female psychology and priorities via projection, i.e., they see women through their own madonna whore complex so they assume we see ourselves that way. When men see women resisting being treated like a 'whore' (having men peek at us in intimate spaces like bathrooms and locker rooms, having men LARP as us for sexual gratification and mock the trappings of femininity we're pressured into/turn them into kink fodder), they think we must be thinking of ourselves as 'madonnas' instead (christian trads obsessed with purity and motherhood). It never even occurs to most moids, but ultra-misogynist moids like TRAs especially, that we experience the world as complex human beings just like them and have a range of feelings, beliefs and opinions.
This is the same reason why ultra-misogynistic neo-trad men (actual men in the historical traditional societies they fetishize were often not even this retarded) can only envision women having value when they're under 23, still 'innocent' and virgins with ideally no education or work experience. They assume that any woman who isn't an innocent virginal youth must be a cynical, promiscuous coomer like them. They basically imagine any woman who isn't married by 23 is a whore because they can't imagine reining in their coomer impulses for that long and continuing to have a soul or morals.
No. 2456050
>>2456024What are you even referring to anon? I haven't seen any recent posts on the thread saying anything similar to this.
>Tifs want nothing more than to be rough, hard, powerful, qualities they utterly lackI don't know if that's really true, but if it is then the TIFs I've personally known haven't seemed to put much effort into the thing they supposedly want so badly, even years after medically transitioning. Many of them deliberately describe and present themselves as 'soft, cute, smol,' and act extremely stereotypically feminine.
>Ugliness, baldness, tifs don't give a shit about thatThis is demonstrably not true of many of the TIFs I've known irl. I've known women who desisted just because they realized they would become ugly and bald, lose their natural speaking voices or because they were freaked out by developing too much facial and body hair or gaining weight. A lot of TIFs want to be 'cute gay twinks' (especially the straight variety of TIF) because they idolize cute and pretty moids and think they could be like them if they transitioned, while even lesbian TIFs often like many of their female features but just want to escape gender stereotyping/homophobia.
To be fair I also think it's true that for many TIFs it's better to emphasize that they can be strong, tough, dominant, etc. while accepting they are women, but that's usually what I see people doing and saying on lolcow anyway. Most of us have encountered plenty of TIFs that are not naturally strong, tough or dominant though and don't really want to be. A lot of women transition for other reasons. One of my best friends who desisted admitted to me that she was pursuing the transition pathway just because the
abusive bisexual bippie she was dating 'physically preferred men.' So she thought she could keep her crush interested in her by retaining her feminine personality but taking on more masculine physical traits. Thankfully she snapped out of it and dumped the BPDemon instead, but it took a lot of convincing.
No. 2456071
>>2456064Nonna, see
>>2455513They explain it, most women are just too horrified to listen.
No. 2456099
>>2456080I haven't read the /snow/ TIF thread in a while but my impression of that thread in the past was that it was heavily focused on fujo tifs and the tiktok 'softboi' variety so maybe that's why you see a lot of that rhetoric there? FWIW in my irl circles the 'I'm a smol soft boi' variety seems more common to me than the Buck Angel or autistic GNC type of TIF as well, and I think their motivations tend to be pretty different from each other in a lot of key ways. I know there are many TIFs who are essentially jealous of what men seem to have in society (power, the ability to be assertive and brash, etc) and you're probably right that those women wouldn't care much about threats that they'll get ugly or bald, but I think the type of TIF who does care is getting increasingly common especially with ROGD and early transitioners who are often just shy, socially ostracized girls who spend too much time online. Those girls really don't know what they're getting into physically with hormonal/surgical transition and will probably grow out of wanting to mutilate their bodies, unlike some of the old school/older butch lesbian TIFs who used to really lean into looking like normal middle aged men. Those old school TIFs often used to act pretty stereotypically masculine even before their transitions but a lot of the younger girls who hop on the transition fad don't, and probably don't even want to/know how, they are typically just freaked out by body changes or certain expectations of women/femininity.
Many of them genuinely are too young to think seriously about a time even 3-5 years in the future and how it would affect them to develop physical problems (both health problems and rapid visual aging), and not be able to 'go back' to their natural bodies.
Also I think some of the anons saying that on the TIF thread are lesbian or bisexual women who are just upset their potential dating pool might be 'ruined' by the large number of young women transitioning, and they're probably saying 'she destroyed her youthful feminine looks' out of frustration because they would have wanted to date these women otherwise. Which is counterproductive but I don't think they're actually trying to be productive.
>>2456088Maybe that anon is australian. But most TIMS aren't fags they're straight creeps.
No. 2456136
>>2456117The weirdest thing to me is that even some GC women seem to be okay with their Nigels trooning out. I was friends with a girl who went on radfem forums and talked openly on social media about her GC views (putting her face and name to it and everything) but then like a year ago she married her boyfriend who trooned out before they even got engaged… she was even the one who proposed. I truly don't understand why women are like this. She was such a generally cool and self-sufficient person too, she didn't need the moid for anything and they even lived apart for a long time while they were dating.
>>2456120A lot of moids seem to struggle from a deficiency in theory of mind. This is worsened by porn and coomerism to the point where their porn and fetishes are more real to them (mentally) than reality and they see women through the lens of cooming only. They probably knew girls were people too back when they were in elementary or middle school but after discovering porn they start to replace their idea of human women who are their peers with their idea of women as an instrumental object/porn category. Half the porn troon moids watch doesn't even have named women, sissy hypno barely has images at all I think and is mostly audio. Their obsession is with auto-eroticizing themselves and imagining themselves as 'women' aka as porn stereotypes. It's not like men who see women as human don't exist at all, but they seem to be a minority, a lot of moids are somewhere in the middle (seeing women as people but a sort of stunted subspecies of people that doesn't think or feel as deeply as them) and the worse the social/cultural obsession with porn and pornified stereotypes gets, the less likely moids are to view women as actual people at all. Troons are on the extreme end of this spectrum; for them 'woman' is an abstract concept that they respond to like addicts respond to drugs and real human women are just props to them, like NPCs in a video game. a lot of moidsexuality turns them increasingly less human over time but they project that on women instead and believe it's women who lack humanity.
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I dont care if reddit bans my account, im still going to make fun of trannies in their direct messages. When I report a tranny for misogyny and threatening “terfs” with violence, he doesnt get banned? fuck that.
No. 2456235
>>2456193good idea kek, but if i posted that on any tranny subreddit id get automatically banned
subreddit moderators fucking faggy hypocrites, and all of the r/mtf moderators are dilating troons themselves
and they probably deal with 10 posts like that each day
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>>2444792Honestly at least for me, classic NB is the furthest things go and so are ftm or mtf. The rest of the pronouns and identities and all these flags that sound the same is too much.
Like, I could be at uni and some mf call themselves he/him but still dress fem or tomboy-ish. Which one is it? Cause aesthetically and manieristically you look like you're cosplaying.
I get that people are trying to find themselves but it feels like it's more of a consumerist trend to follow. Most of it doesn't feel geniuen, and the ones that are serious just want to feel special and loved in that Maverique Genderflux Pomosexual Polyromantic metal illness.
No. 2456275
>>2456024>>2456050The TIFs I've run into IRL have been mainly of the 'I don't want to be a dumpy nerdy girl' type. They're nerdy, shy, unpopular, and usually fat or at least bigger than the popular girls. To them, being a moid larper is better than being a fat woman, and they're not entirely wrong.
In my small country, fat or average chicks the media wouldn't give the time of day got a lot of audience and popularity a few years ago by trooning out, and the people calling them fatties, ugly, etc. to their faces or on social media were forced to stay anon and hide because the troon and handmaiden community would absolutely shield them, at least way more than they'd do to your average plus-sized nerdy girl. Trooning out also opened doors to events, job opportunities, and whatnot that would not be given to the same people if they didn't troon out.
However, many of those girls are now quietly desisting. Their looks have been ravaged by T, they're no longer the new cool kids on the block as they're getting 30+ to middle aged and the troon phenomenon is old hat, and they're frankly no longer 'sellable' as in their faces no longer sell anything to the wider audience. Even someone who used to be kind of like the face of the local tif community has admitted to having stopped taking T. And that chick only trooned out because she couldn't fulfill the gender expectations of being a thin, well put together socialite that her background expected her to be. It's all really heartbreaking and I'm so thankful I never jumped on that train back then, even when I was one of those unattractive fat nerdy girls.
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They’re setting up girls to be raped by fucking scrotes, this is disgusting and inhumane.
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Game dev nonas, or who knows someone in the industry - I'm SO curious what game dev companies say about the new standard of having an obviously male and female character option but calling it like "appearance 1 & 2" to not upset people about gender. I wanna know if behind the scenes they go "lol we all know it's male and female but that's just how you sell games to crazy nerds these days" or if they're super woke and think they're saving the poor trooners from committing suicide by doing this, or if they do think it's stupid but Athena the hulking troon who works in the programming section insisted on it and they don't want to upset him because the game is on a crunch already.
I know it's not the biggest issue in thew world but I see it even in games targeted towards men who frankly do not give a shit. I can't imagine they'd actually sell fewer games if they just wrote male and female.
No. 2456612
>>2456515They are super fucking woke, most of them. I only know one single un-woke gamer dude, and funnily enough, he makes bank while the rest struggle and try to get their games funded.
They overuse singular 'they' even when you pick the female body type. It's very discouraging and feels a bit icky, like, you're not even allowed to be female. The 'female' bit is just a hot body for men to coom to.
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>>2456515I was thinking about this just the other day. Sims Freeplay changed from male/female options to a more ambiguous "body type", picrel, despite the actual bodies still looking the same and being the same obvious normal sexual dimorphism. Apparently it's not enough to be able to cross dress as you like, there has to be a pronoun option that will never ever come up in game.
I just imagine them having a meeting with their PR dept cynically telling them they have to do some half-arsed workaround to avoid bad press and them begrudgingly doing it because it's less annoying than the alternative.
No. 2456814
I know that this has been said and said again but there's always this phrase that's over repeated in troon spaces and it's "What if you discover after that people are troons?"
Let me blogpost a little: When I was a teen, I fell "in love" with a deviantart then turned tumblr user who said to be a guy over and over, poor girl was clearly traumatized, she talked about how her dad was abusive and she was reaching almost poverty because her dad was a gambling addict fuck and I remember partecipating in a fundraiser to get her a 3DS to at least get some fun here and there. I never met her in person but I saw her countless times in pictures and well, I was a teen so you can easily picture how teens looked in the early 2010s: clean, emoish, delicate. She styled herself as a boy.
Then one day, after she said that everything was going well, she said that in reality she was trans and the new peace she found gave her the courage to come out. I unfollowed her immediately. I felt lied to.
I believe that irl you have to have shit pattern recognizing skills to not see a troon but even if it happens online, I hate how people view it as a gotcha or expect everyone to be okay. I've been lied to for years, that was enough for me to walk away and never look back . People at the time used to fight with me because I was unsupportive, but I didn't peak yet and that it was my fault for idealizing someone because that was my view.
MY view? Girl told for years that she was male, that her dad was abusive then once she moved out, she said that she was a girl all along then it was my view? Was I at fault for believing? Yes, it did change for me that news and not because she was a girl, but because she carefully crafted lies to appeal more charming to other people, she carefully crafted an identity that wasn't real, she painted herself as something she wasn't. It has nothing to do with attraction and I hate how troonology is all based on attraction and how fuckable they are, I could have the hottest person in front of me right now, if they're a liar, they're a liar. There's no point in lying in stuff like this, hell, if she said that she was a girl all along, I could've helped her even more because I know how a girl can suffer when she lives alone with a gambling waste of meat dad. It's not about love, it's being lied to and troons need some reality checks about that.
No. 2457119
>>2456515>Theyden throws a hissy fit over PokemonDo none of these people ever have actual adult problems to worry about instead of this meaningless crap
>>2456614That phrase has been around for years now, but it's underused. Which is a shame because it's hilarious.
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Ovarit is closing down, I'm pretty sad over it. I know some anons here are convinced it's a boring den of conservative karens, but I had a lot of great conversations there and it was a good source for GC content.
No. 2457210
>>2457201Ovarit was my safe heaven before fake TERFS came and before I found lolcow.
It’s such a shame, I loved the antikink, name the problem and the gender critical threads, those were my favorites and I admit I had my share of laughs in the Translogic section.
Can’t we just make a site that is similar to that? It was clearly being used and the donations were coming too, we need a space like that.
No. 2457330
>>2457201This makes me kinda sad too because they were a really good repository of TRA news and GC resources if nothing else. I had beef with the website (was one of the first users invited but then got banned for an incredibly stupid reason, also girl_undone being a larping rich housewife who pretended to be female separatist coming out made me feel like there was a reason the modding was shit in the way it was) but I still browsed it occasionally when I needed to find out about trans-related current events quickly because they were really good at sharing any new developments. The worst thing about this is that it is just a huge win for moids once again; moids easily finance and find volunteers to run their stupid forums about literally whatever, but it's so hard to keep just one dedicatedly feminist online forum up and running.
>>2457222She's a control freak and already ran the site like her personal blog so there is no way she would do that. She knows she can probably safely sell/transfer the site but is making excuses.
>>2457226More than archiving I hope the users find a new place to go. When r/GC got shut down they had 60k+ users in the sub and Ovarit only got up to maybe 2-3 of the most dedicated ones so I hope they find somewhere else to go.
No. 2457375
>>2453271This is so infuriating when the reason lolitas of all people are so guarded about fetishists in their community is because of the plethora of online and real-life incidents with males being creepy predators.
You can choose to focus on the fact that a good amount of lolitas are secretly somewhat gender critical (many of them being older lolitas that have had the “privilege” of witnessing such incidents) and ignore the intense pandering to the trans community that happens visibly as it tends to be social suicide to voice this, but lolitas have reasons for this exclusion. Lolitas can smell AGPs from a mile away and not just because they don’t shower. Years and years of being treated like a fetish by men will do that to the overall consciousness of a community. It’s not a problem, it’s a response. It’s a survival mechanism. No amount of whining about how you only feel coddled 99% of the time instead of 100% will change this. There are private meets you will never be invited to. There are groupchats you will never be added to. There is a wordless acknowledgment between at least a few of your female comm members that you are a man with a fetish. This is only because you decided at some point you were too good for fetish communities and you really belong with the women you wish to emulate and receive sexual gratification from. If you had bothered with any research on the subculture before you decided to creep on these women, you would probably be aware of how easy it is to tell if someone even gives a shit about the fashion by how well they coordinate. But you did not. And because you are entitled and in denial, everything addressing the fetishists in lolita (for example, yourself) makes you feel as if you are in an environment where you are constantly offended, and you must beg for people around you to deny reality. Wear brand, go to meets, hide your boner under a petticoat meant for square dancing, the reason why you’re really here will never be forgotten in the collective minds of your comm.
God, save yourself the hassle. Just admit you’re an autogynephile and go to fetlife or some shit.
No. 2457376
>>2457367I can't imagine that Scottish people are any more on board with it than people from the rest of the UK but I'm not from there so I can't say for sure. I'm guessing you're right and it's the government rather than the electorate though, Scotland's government tends to pull this type of holier-than-thou shit with the UK government pretty frequently to try to set themselves apart.
>>2457368Insane that they let a moid lecture a class on feminist theory at all, but I also don't get how this Andrea Long Chu shit ends up in a feminist theory class at all. There is limited time in a semester and such a rich history of feminist writings, why is your troon prof focusing on this shit? Do you think you could talk to other women in the class and complain? Did you know about the syllabus in advance?
No. 2457379
>>2457367Would it be rude to ask in their thread? Maybe there's some political or charity campaigns we aren't aware of.
My other guess is the country prides itself in being anti-UK or extreme left. No concrete ideas though.
No. 2457394
>>2457367Scotland likes appearing more progressive in general. Honestly, it’s not all bad, the free period product scheme is amazing and there are legislations for LGB and women’s rights that have happened earlier than the rest of the UK because of this.
Scottish women have vocal pushback against the gender ideology movement, such as women won’t wheesht and For Women Scotland. Being a zoomer here, though, it is social suicide to express a bit of transphobia but the trans people I have met, in all honesty, have mostly been fairly hinged about it.
It’s true that it does feel like the government is trying to one-up the rest of the UK or be like “hey, we’re progressive!” and it also leads to a lot of annoying shit from GC leftists aligning themselves with rightwingers to escape it, but I think that’s a global issue.
TLDR Scottish nona here AMA
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I’m currently talking down my stupid TIF mutual from her “Le Ebil Terfism” rant with facts and logic… wish me luck nonas, let’s see if I can get her to peak
No. 2457419
>>2457371I wanted to keep an open mind
>>2457376I could have dropped it once I saw the week dedicated to trans feminism (watever the hell that is) on the syllabus. I guess.
We’re not reading Long chu, just a lady who’s sucking him off. I’ll voice my opinions the next time we meet as a class. I have some friends in the class but I’ve been too timid to go full mask-off against gender ideology beyond telling them I’m an abolitionist
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I was watching a documentary iceberg and on the second tier there was a 2001 documentary called “southern comfort” about a pooner who got ovarian cancer and died from it because doctors refused to treat her due to fear of what treating a troon would do to their reputation, which while negligent, considering how testosterone famously is terrible for the uterus and ovaries makes me wonder if that was the direct cause of her death.
But this bitch had an adult child who appears in the documentary saying he will always see her as “mom”, yet miss pooner lives with an ugly agp who called himself “Lola Cola” and they go to “the prom they never had” and to a tranny centric conference called the southern comfort and have a found family made of other trannies. Literally all the cowish traits of modern trannies but in 2001. being negligent parents and existing in little culty microcosms and rejecting their own family. She even dresses like stereotypical tumblr gay cowboy tif art. It feels like a smack to the face when you realize gender ideologues have always been Like That.
Picrel is poon, troon and a screencap from the Wikipedia summary. Of course the documentary was directed by a woman. I hope the summary is wrong and she was a loving mother but it’s a fucking tif so the likelihood of that is small. Maybe it would be a good moovie night hatewatch suggestion kek.
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This is making me sad. I feel like there'll be no spaces for TERFs soon. I don't think the admin will renege on this. Could we maybe archive as much of the site as possible while it's still up? That way, the content remains readable for radfems of the future, and it'll be easier for someone else to pick up where Ovarit left off.
https://archive.is/https://ghostarchive.org/The Wayback Machine deletes things if they receive complaints, so I don't recommend it, but here:
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>>2457410This picrel is so cute kek.
Good luck nonna , playing dumb is the perfect tactic.
No. 2457474
>>2457462It causes a the uterus to fuse into other organs and they usually have to remove it bc it becomes poison tumor (functionally)
>Picrel is poon, troon and a screencapKEK. Thanks for the rec nona
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>>2457501I bet that's exactly what happened
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There is nothing you can do to make these people happy because giving them what they want is bad somehow. All the rants about 'hating cis men but not trans men' are now forgotten because everyone knows that trans men are now hated alongside 'cis' men for being just as misogynistic and entitled and bitter as actual moids. They spend their whole lives crying about being genocided when fanart of their blorbo doesn't have enough mastectomy scars, of course nobody can fucking stand these people.
I'm convinced that a lot of the peaking that's happening in younger generations comes from being around terminally online permavictims who shit all over everyone's kind words and actions. It used to be TIMs that did all the peaking but the endless policing by other TIFs must be incredibly grating to young women who want to escape the endless scrutiny of society.
>>2457501Kek she's definitely doing this. Peaking nonna needs to trawl through the TIF's socials and keep an eye on all her flying monkeys.
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>>2456814I’ve posted about this TIF before, but I was close friends with a ‘twink’ from 11-14 (she’s the TIF). She would date ACTUAL twinks and I remember the guys starting to troonfoil her but we were too young to press the subject.
Looking back, I experimented sexually with her.
She was very intent one night on ‘eating us out’, myself and another female friend who is VERY straight.
We were young, drinking for the first time, and we were really under the impression this was our effeminate gay male friend who would never see us sexually.
Upon realising she was a TIF when I was older, I felt violated but didn’t know how to explain it. I’m bi, she’s now a gorgeous and well adjusted woman after desisting, but the idea that she KNEW she was lying to us, and especially my really straight friend just makes me feel ill.
Another thing that has been nagging at me is how so many of these TIFS who fell for early waves of the gendie shit that I was friends with have how detransed and are highly feminine, perhaps some of the most ‘femininely’ beautiful women I know. The TIF I mentioned above is now a personal trainer, she’s super thick, long beautiful curls, great at makeup and dresses hyper fem. Another one I know is literally a model, and she does quite well for herself too. (picrel)
No. 2457617
>>2457595I think that might just be survivorship bias anon. Recalling all the tifs I've known/know in my life I knew one who was very pretty, like a model, and another one who was somewhat pretty. The others were average but fat, ugly and fat, average and thin, ranging from most to least common. Of course the beautiful ones will stick out in your mind because they're so beautiful, it's a defining point. Especially because they were not only trans which is relatively uncommon all things considered, they also detransed which is even more uncommon, and they're pretty. Even if they didn't get involved with gendie stuff you might have remembered them more than someone who didn't have any remarkable traits. An uglier person you might have remembered for another trait like something weird they did, for being notably good at something, etc rather than beauty
No. 2457629
>>2457609Yeah a lot of the gendies I knew were online far too young and got it all out of their system before it became such a clusterfuck. The woman in my picrel was one of the most popular tifs in their gendie circle but denounced it all and erased that part of her life completely. It’s refreshing to see she was actually able to go on and be a normal person, same with the others I know.
I’m not sure if either were ever on HRT as they were in their early teens and it was before everything became so normalised, so that would probably be a contributing factor to why they were able to continue living as women and never mention detrans or ever being TIFs at all.
I really wonder how it affects women like this, considering their teen years were spent so confused that they rid themself of anything that deemed them as a female, but now have to live on almost suppressing that they had that part of their adolescence essentially stripped from them.
>>2457617I can see this, definitely. Plenty of the tifs from that general group are very stereotypical, not that attractive, fully on hormones, overly hairy and balding etc. I think it stands out to me moreso because I’m from a pretty trooned out city. Basically every girl was falling for this stuff, so the amount of detrans I see now feels disproportionate.
I’d like to add for anynonna reading that the blonde woman in my picrel was not the one who tried to eat me out kek, I don’t think I made it clear enough. I was never close with her but knew her through mutual circles.
No. 2457633
>>2457595>Another thing that has been nagging at me is how so many of these TIFS who fell for early waves of the gendie shit that I was friends with have how detransed and are highly feminine, perhaps some of the most ‘femininely’ beautiful women I know. I think there's a niche of ex-gendie women who were really nothing more just weird, awkward girls falling into a social trend to skirt around developing as a woman in a "sexually demeaning" way I guess. Perhaps a sort of way to avoid feeling "lesser than" in romantic and sexual relationships, but then after having sexual experiences on
their terms (which involves those feelings of needing to be seen as equal or not lesser than). Once they've developed they become more comfortable being a woman and in their case they were always going to be women who were more feminine and preoccupied with appearances and aesthetics (I've seen this pipeline play out and these women are almost always very aesthetically particular about their presentation even when they're in troon mode). I think these women end up a bit more mentally sound, or seemingly mentally sound, because for one they don't have the femininity = trauma association that can result during puberty since they were focused on presenting as not feminine. So then they get older and feel comfortable presenting as how they really always would have if they weren't made clear as to how female puberty goes and how traumatic attention from boys as "women" can really be.
No. 2457637
>>2457633AYRT and I found myself nodding along with this kek. This is what it is, no doubt.
>So then they get older and feel comfortable presenting as how they really always would have if they weren't made clear as to how female puberty goes and how traumatic attention from boys as "women" can really be.I wonder the shock or feelings they’d have when they start to get this attention, I imagine some would even view it as ‘affirming’.
Although they were definitely still subjected to it even while TIFs but at the hands of TIMs and fags and pedophiles, along with the people in their lives who knew they were women.
No. 2457667
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>>2457648… why would you want a gay male giving you oral sex? alcohol truly is a drug
No. 2457674
>>2457667See this is a
valid criticism, 14 year old me drinking vodka for the first time was a retard.
No. 2457688
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this (@emmatsgirl) is an actual woman pretending to be trans, isn't it? her body is too curvy and the supposed bulge always looks fake
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>>2457688>filtered face like >>2457701 said like they’re jiafei living in china >disgusting troon fishlips >ugly ass hon stare >rat’s tail extensions >weird wide diaphragm and torso >wide face There’s something so inexplicably male here that it’s so easy to clock. I’m not an expert at physiognomy or physiology but fuck, it’s so obvious. Also my autismo blinkers are noticing some editing and lighting distortions to give the illusion of wide female hips
No. 2457713
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>>2457708It’s a man. Look at the face, the smug hontrapoints/mulvaney HRT structure is undeniable
No. 2457742
>>2457709Especially if you look at the back view in the mirror this just looks like a fat male fridge body to me, the q-angle on the hips and posture does not look female, the long arms and huge hands etc. all look male too. Also I looked him(?) up and he has an OF where he presumably gets naked so I'm assuming he does in fact have the dick. My spideysense first impression of those person was 'male' even before I saw that he admits to being trans so I'm not sure why anyone would assume this is a female.
Your average Thai ladyboy has a more convincingly 'feminine' body.
No. 2457805
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The one misogynist thing here is to believe they're women in first place.
No. 2457861
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>>2457367It's complicated, so I'll start from the beginning:
Scotland has been led by the Scottish National Party (SNP) for nearly 2 decades. Until now, the official aim of the SNP has been independence for Scotland. After the independence referendum 10 years ago narrowly failed, they needed to emphasize as many conflicts with Westminster (UK government) as possible to force Indy Ref 2. For instance, Scotland is forcefully the harbour of British nuclear-armed submarines. This was extremely unpopular… until Russian submarines were detected. Secondly, Scotland voted Remain in the Brexit referendum and Scots felt their voice was ignored. They want back in the EU, but countries like France and Spain can't afford to validate separatist movements so it's never going to happen. Thirdly, Scotland's waters are exploited by oil companies and the spills damage the marine ecosystem and the coast. The Scots are proud of their wildlife, and eat their sealife. Meanwhile, England reaps the economic benefits. Westminster laughs at this argument. What are you, communists?
The SNP until recently had over 100,000 members. They are mostly Presbyterian and just want independence. Younger members are a progressive minority. But the party now relies on the Scottish Greens to vote in line. The Greens are overrun with trannies and handmaidens and therefore only represent tranny interests. The SNP found a conflict to create: as UK law stands, legally transitioning requires a Gender Recognition Certificate. This involves a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria, 2 years "living as the opposite gender" (?), a panel decision (piss easy), and completion of the spousal veto. In the UK, a woman can temporarily halt her husband's GRC application process while she seeks a divorce or annulment, because otherwise she's forced into a fictional same-sex marriage (likewise a lesbian whose wife poons out would be in an involuntary heterosexual marriage). Trannies fucking hate every part of this process. "Transgender identity" is not a protected characteristic in UK equality law, but gender reassignment is. This requires the coveted GRC that will magically turn a man into a woman. So, here's the perfect way both the SNP and Scottish Greens can get what they want: Self-ID. If trannies can legally change their sex by simply registering their new identity, they would be a different person on either side of the border. An outrageous violation of their human rights, according to politicians. So Holyrood (Scottish Parliament) began the "debate". They ignored the testimony of feminist groups who warned them that this would destroy women's rights and enable sex offenders more access to
victims. Hell, English sex offenders could just move to Scotland and get completely new identities. Women were told "this never happens". Except it did, during the debate. Tranny rapist Isla Bryson (picrel) was photographed leaving court with his bulge showing through his leggings. Woman is when blonde wig teehee. This one picture destroyed First Minister Nicola Sturgeon, who is a handmaiden who identifies as a feminist. She couldn't answer whether Isla Bryson was a man or a woman. The SNP was bleeding members, and 60% of their remaining members were explicitly against this legislation. But it passed. Westminster promptly intervened. This conflict of Woman in Scotland, Man in England would actually make Self-ID impossible. No Indy Ref 2, on the very grounds that the SNP was trying to force it.
With Nicola Sturgeon out (and only now cleared of fraud, long story involving a caravan), her successor Humza Yousaf out (for paying ransom money to Hamas), and Most Boring Man Alive John Swinney in, why hasn't sanity returned? Why are rapists in the Greens? Why do politicians stand in front of signs saying Decapitate TERFs and still think there's nothing wrong with trannies? Why does the new hate crime law cover gender identity instead of gender reassignment? If Self-ID was blocked, why does everyone pretend it wasn't?
One reason is that the SNP is deeply tied to LGBT Youth Scotland, a TRA charity/lobbying group once described as Scotland's largest paedophile network. LGBTYS is in every school, including primary schools which is an age-group beyond their remit. The SNP is literally using tax payer money to fund paedophiles in primary schools. 1 in 20 Scottish schools have already officially removed single sex toilets and if the SNP gets their way they may no longer be legally required. Most Scots do not know any of this. If they simply heard the words "the SNP funds LGBTYS", they would assume it was a charity for young gay men who need support. Until the SNP is out of power, the insidious cycle of tranny influence that they are funding will continue. Women's rights groups chip away at backdoor self-ID bit by bit with employment tribunals against trans-inclusive rape shelters and pervert doctors, but it's slow. The SNP have now admitted Indy Ref 2 is never happening under their watch. All they've got is self-destruction, and they're taking the country with them.
That's the most cursory explanation of Scotland's situation. It's also full of rapists. If you would like to read more about the shitshow, I recommend wingsoverscotland.com for up-to-date coverage and investigative journalism. They even know about furries.
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what dolls is she talking about?
No. 2457878
>>2457805Lol I went and read the comments and so many comments were like 'nothing wrong with trans women but these are both normal cis girls, obviously!' how are people this faceblind it always shocks me.
>>2457861Thanks for the explanation nonna.
>But the party now relies on the Scottish Greens to vote in line.Many such cases, unfortunately.
>She couldn't answer whether Isla Bryson was a man or a woman. Many such cases, unfortunately.
>All they've got is self-destruction, and they're taking the country with them. Surprisingly similar to the US democratic party, although arguably troons isn't the only issue they care about. But it seems to be extremely common in modern politics for political parties to hitch their cart to the TRA horse thinking it will accomplish something and then when it doesn't they still ride the cart all the way to hell.
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>>2457688She's not an actual tranny, she and a few other women started a shitstorm in tranny circles a while ago because they were real women capitalizing on the tranny porn genre by simply putting dildos in their pants. She has more videos on her tiktok and she's obviously not male OR social justice-y enough to be a troon, she's 100% focused on getting that bag. Her "dick" also looks way different in each video kek.
>>2457713>>2457742>hontra/mulvaney face structure>fridge body>long arms>huge handsBait, or just stupid? I'm not gonna post the icon I found on her porn account, but it's obviously a shooped imprint, especially if you compare it at all with what's on her tiktok.
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>>2457463Losing spaces one after the other… It's so over.
No. 2458110
>>2457463Why not give the reigns to one of the helpers? This seems suspicious.
>Could we maybe archive as much of the site as possible while it's still up?On it
No. 2458848
>>2458617doesn't work because then they just say cis muslim women should check their privilege and twaw so that shouldn't be an issue for them unless they're
terf muslims who should all die
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I made an Ovarit Archives thread for all archive posting:
https://lolcow.farm/2X/res/38865.html No. 2459128
>>2458617Anon
>>2458848 is right. If TWAW then Muslim women should have no problem taking off their hijab around TIMs and if they do have a problem, they’re terves and no1curr about their rights. I know of multiple different public pools who had a women’s hour mostly so Muslim women could come and swim, but no Muslim women ever showed up once it became clear these hours were trans-(aka male-)inclusive. Of course people noticed but everyone just shrugged and figured it was their loss for self-excluding. Muslim moids may be able to throw their weight around in lefty spaces but Muslim women are still women. It would have been interesting to see what would happen if the Muslim men had kicked up a fuss about this issue but they generally don’t care if their female relatives can’t go swimming or to the gym. They probably prefer it that way.
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We need to study the mind of the handmaiden. Why would you go out of your way to lie to someone you dont even know to ultimately gain nothing? I really wonder if these people sit and think to themselves: “Wow, I sound like an enabling retard”
No. 2459144
>>2459129They probably just think that's nice thing to do and fall
victim to peer pressure
No. 2459267
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Imagine being coward enough to not write "fuck bigots" because you like to punch women instead.
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are troons aware that they sound exactly like transphobes when they tell each other they will never be "amab"
No. 2459316
>>2459267idk who these rapehons are but yeah, we know troons want to fuck terfs. It's creepy that moids will be like "Its okay for us to rape women who disagree with us! They deserve it"
Moids cannot identify their way out of being violent rapist scrotes.
No. 2459326
>>2459165>I wouldn't have nearly as much of a problem with troons if they just admitted it was a mental disorder and that they can't truly chage their sex Nona that's literally 99% of gender critical people. Remember that tweet that made JKR
terf queen and trans enemy no.1? It said "Dress however you please. Call yourself whatever you like." because we don't care if Tommy wears a tutu and calls himself a magical elephant or the tooth fairy as long as WE (and the law) don't have to play along and pretend that he is those things.
No. 2459348
>>2459165Yeah most people except conservitards who demand gender conformity don't give a shit if someone wants to put the effort in to socially pass as the opposite sex. As long as it DOESN'T HARM OR OPPRESS OTHERS it's not a problem. But that's the problem. Trannies inherently are putting women in harms way by demanding that men can just identify their way into their private spaces. A man can just go into a womans restroom and instead of women being able to call the police and get him instantly arrested and put on a sex offenders registry for exposing himself to women and little girls in the bathroom, now the sexpest can claim he "doesn't identify as a man" and the whole thing becomes a mess where the women being victimized by a pervert are now put at legal risk for committing a hate crime.
There's other examples but yeah, the troons don't care because the know they are sick rapist perverts. If they weren't and they just wanted to be socially seen as a woman they would shut the fuck up and put the effort into their feminizing their rapehon features instead of demanding normie society seeing their hulking features as female.
No. 2459353
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Watching Jenny Nicolson for the first time with the Star Wars hotel video. I would otherwise vibe with her and her sense of humor but the troon "sister" is so distracting. My nigel and I thought he was a gay best friend at first from the voice.
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>>2459353he looks so cartoonishly male next to her that its hilarious
No. 2459418
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>>2459393I kek every time I see this picture. It could be put in a textbook as an example of sexual dimorphism
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>>2457463Saw this in the comments of the post about Ovarit shutting down, I never really used the site so idk the history, but it's crazy if Sall Grover really sent threats to them. It's also really funny that girl_undone who I assume is the admin is acting like she's too honorable to air out the dirty laundry but then still vaguely airing it out
No. 2459471
>>2459326And how she dare to tell to a news tweet about there's already a word for humans who can menstruate and give birth: woman.
>>2459316She's a tif so making her characters being violent ones is quite concerning. I know fiction doesn't equal reality, but how delulu do you have to be to think about how tim would even care about you if you're under a "
terf attack".
No. 2459728
>>2459128Oh I don't think the Muslim women defense would actually work, but I do think it would cause a bit of an amusing stir. Especially if she posted about it on tiktok, there's quite a few overtly conservative female Muslim "influencers" I could see getting involved. I like watching libs self-contradict over trans+ gay stuff and the belief that Islam is ultra progressive oppressed religion.
The gym owner kind of fucked herself over with this one though, from what I remember she initially said it would be "trans-inclusive"/solicited donations from TiMs, which she never should have done.
No. 2459772
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This is just sad. I have no other words.
The look is so so so so stereotypical and the mullet is now the troon hairstyle, troonism to me will always look "dirty", from scruffy looks to exaggerated, smeared makeup, it always clocks them paradoxically and I know, she's a child, but she's gonna grow up so bad with this, looking like a millennial guy that doesn't want to grow up.
No. 2459804
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https://x.com/hausofdecline/status/1903237006714425835reupload from TIM threads
one of my biggest fears doing verification is having a TIM with convincing voice training get through the screening process then keeping low after they access the women's only space before going mask off after everyone has gotten comfortable. It doesn't help that I'm pretty voice blind and try to give grace to androgynous voices since Im acquainted to women who have lower voices but I really don't want to do face verification since most people wouldn't want to do it. I wish men would leave us the fuck alone
No. 2459809
>>2459804Have you guys ever seen a horror media where it features a monster that copies its
victims voices to lure in people? Thats what this video reminds me of. Having "the unknown" from DBD voiced by a tranny was very fitting kek
No. 2460626
>>2459701>AGP skinwalking is a kind of sexual violation by proxy.It absolutely IS a sexual violation, sexual harassment at the very least. It needs to become common knowledge.
>>2459728>from what I remember she initially said it would be "trans-inclusive"To be fair, she is trans-inclusive! Trans identified women are allowed in female only spaces as they are women.
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No. 2460921
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No wonder TRA arguments never make sense because they can’t even tell the difference between being gnc and troonism
No. 2460949
>>2459772genuinely, what is going on with every other celebrity having some flavour of troon/gendie child? jamie lee curtis, sade, angelina jolie, sting, cher, and now jennifer lopez too? those are just the ones i named off the top of my head. is there some component of being in the limelight since your birth that causes this?
i feel nothing for jamie lee's creepy AGP son but i genuinely feel sad for the tif/gendie ones like picrel. it's clear that most of them are either lesbians or gnc and are trying to escape constant sexualisation, especially since their mothers more often than not are famous specifically for their sex appeal like lopez is.
No. 2460980
>>2460949Troonism is a luxury belief (this is becoming less and less true as time goes on). By negating what everyone knows you're standing out from masses
>Angelina JolieShe didn't troon out her kid iirc. Her daughter was a tomboy
>>2456136It's pretty common for women to be assertive and secure in every sphere of their life except for the romantic one
>>2453301Agreed.
>Like I'd see the same radfems attacking women as 'antifeminist' for wearing long loose skirts but praising drag story hour because 'it's great that men are happily taking on feminine gender roles!This is the kind of online radfem/"matfem"/tirf i was thinking about. They're nearly identical to libfems (hyper-agreeable, defer to male authority etc) except for the fact that they read Dworkin and didn't hate it. It makes me think that radfem is anything but a subjective label, at this point i don't care what people say they believe when prompted, only how they articulate their true beliefs and what they
do No. 2460994
>>2460949>it's clear that most of them are either lesbians or gnc and are trying to escape constant sexualisation, especially since their mothers more often than not are famous specifically for their sex appeal like lopez is.I think this is a the main factor for the TIFs with famous sex icon mothers like Cher and Lopez. They grew up seeing their mothers reduced to their sex appeal while also being constantly compared to them, probably unfavourably. Chastity/Chaz Bono was ruthlessly mocked for her appearance. It doesn’t surprise me that when presented with an option to opt out of the ‘female celebrity rat race’, they’d take it.
With the others I think comparison to their parents and high expectations are part of it as well. It’s natural for people to look at the child of two famously successful people and expect more of the same, which puts these kids under a lot of pressure. Many go the nepo baby route but others may choose to opt out all together, especially if they’re creatively bankrupt useless lumps like JLC’s son. It’s not his fault he spends all his time in his bedroom wanking to furry porn instead of doing something productive, he’s trans! It’s amazing he’s even alive! We should all celebrate him for existing!
I know a number of kids of successful overachievers in my personal life who’ve gone the munchie route to explain why they’re not as successful as their parent(s). IMO trans is a subcategory of this, but unlike most actual medical conditions it’s unfalsifiable and therefore more easily faked even for people who’ve been in the public eye since infancy.
No. 2461122
>>2460994This nonna is right on the money.
I don't normally care for celebrities nor their children but these reasons are why I worry for kids like Blue Ivy and North West. Being the oldest daughters of two women famously (in Kim K's case, infamously) known for their sex appeal and plastic surgery must do something to one's psychology. Reading about how Chastity/Chaz was mocked for her appearance gave me flashbacks to how Blue was mocked for looking more like her 'uggo' dad than Beyonce. Women and girls have it rough.
No. 2461184
>>2460971Idk I think reddit (like all of the mainstream internet) is just a misogynist site. If you're a woman a tranny is allowed to film you using an aldi toilet but if you're a man a tranny is not supposed to predate on you.
Notice how none of these people have gotten permabanned for shitting on the rapehon
No. 2461305
>>2460921>trumps daughters drum teacherwhat the fuck is with trannies and trying to stalk every minature detail of people they dont like?
>trump is such a HYPOCRITE because his grandmas sisters left sock that she wore once in 2019 was sown by someone who wore a dress once in highschool in 1976!!like, nobody gives a fuck. also you will forever be a man and people will forever refer to you as such
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I volunteer at a maid cafe for conventions sometimes and I’m getting so grossed out by the amount of old AGP fags who apply.
Sissy freaks, I hate them, I can’t even hang around other weeb girls but they’re transwimen so we can’t say shit.
>inb4 how maid cafe’s are inherently cringe/sexist and attract greasy moids
That’s a separate conversation
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>>2461353Of course he wants to be a subservient moe imouto
No. 2461368
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Been reading a lot of lesbian smut on tumblr and had this gross shit pop up on my feed.
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>>2461368I know an even better place to put it!
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>>2461411No? Unless you consider being a regular waitress in the US (where you are expected to kiss the customer's ass and have small talk with them for spare change tips) a form of prostitution too.
I do. No. 2461643
>>2461582remember, always give an ugly glare and casually remind him of his he/him pronouns. (gendies call it “muh misgendering” or whatever) doing this will send the tranny closer to roping. every little thing helps.
are u sure it was a troon and not a faggot?
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Tl;DR
No. 2462061
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1. i am always amazed at how little tras actually know of radical feminists
2. men are always desperate to fuck women, even if in theory
No. 2462204
>>2462061I don't get this
When you think radfem you think tumblr using arts major woman who is probably in a few social circles, maybe plays MMOs or something.
As someone else said what they mean is e-girl (and e-girls socialize, mtfs don't unless they're being sex-pests). But it doesn't matter because twitter is full of these tranny faggots all gassing eachother up in a false reality