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This thread is to discuss your grievances with gender ideology.
>What is gender ideology? Foundational to transgenderism, gender ideology is the belief that one’s “internal gender” can contradict one’s biological sex.
Gender ideology operates much like a religious cult. There is no scientific evidence that supports the notion that we have an “internal gender,” and yet doctors now medicalize and sterilize children with “transgender identities” who have been groomed by the cult. Anyone who does not reaffirm these delusions is labelled as a “transphobe” in order to discredit any dissenting voices of the cult.
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No. 1941909
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>>1941746It’s actually hilarious how much TIMs hate theyfabs and TIFs in general, they’re always talking shit about them on /tttt/. You know it’s because, as self-hating as TIFs are, they’re still the one thing TIMs will never be [female]
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>>1941909Samefag. This 4chan tranny post reminds me of that Andrea Long Chu quote
No. 1941964
>>1941961nonna, are you a mindreader because i literally just wanted to ask this + share my story.
copy and paste of my typed up post: for me it was going to uni and meeting oder nonbinary women, kek. i identified as nonbinary before that and when i went to uni i met other young women like me who also identified as nonbinary. at first i was excited but then the ugly voice in my head was like "uh, but you look just like any other woman? why are you nonbinary, it makes no sense." and i'd judge them so hard because all of them were hyperfeminine and wore makeup every day and constantly talked about men like any other straight woman i knew. fast forward and i saw a group picture after an event and i was like "wait we all look like women. we're all just women." and it embarrassed me so much that i immediately dropped the nonbinary act, kek. it still took me 2 more years to fully peak, though.
No. 1941997
>>1941964I've had a similar situation when it came specifically to the shame that came with pretending to be another gender.
throuought highschool I identified as an ftm and it was a pretty big deal for me, I could write an entire memoir on what exactly went on with my life to make me believe I was actually a man but that would take a lot of time lol. I lived in a very progressive area were I knew that if I ever came out I would be accepted and all (after all I was an open lesbian) but I really didn't want to, because even then I knew that wouldn't make me an actual man and all accomodations made for me would just be a facade made for the mentaly ill girl. I knew that no matter how much I tried to fight for my identity that I would always be percieved as a dumb girl following a trend by the people that knew me, and that the changes I could make to my body would just be a poor, superficial, imitations of the opposite sex.
I eventually desisted but it also took me some years to peak, I now no longer experience dysphoria so really I think that for many teenagers it's just a temporary thing that should be adressed and not encouraged.
No. 1942025
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I don't understand troons like Debbie Hayton, Buck Angel, and Blair White. Why do they keep up the larp? Even if you couldn't clock them by looks, you could figure out they're troons with a minute of googling since they're all famous for being trannies against gender ideology. Why don't they detransition and drop the bullshit altogether? I could take them seriously if they did, but as it is I can't trust any of them and I can't stand when GC people and organizations simp for them.
No. 1942038
>What did you identify as?
nb/neutral/agender whatever the fuck that was
>Why? What pushed you into it?
I'm probably on the spectrum and didn't ever felt like "one of the girls", I didn't like "girl hobbies" and I found girls really hard to relate to.
>What peaked you?
Back on early 2010s tumblr, I saw a lot of people claiming the fancy gender and then claiming that gender has nothing to do with how you dress and how you don't need dysphoria so I said "why bother?"
Then I also saw how they claimed that TERFs were dictatorial, that were these obnoxious women who ran around with their hairy pits fueled by pure blind hate, I looked into it more and saw the projection and contradiction. It's cool to be a weird woman.
I also thank my supposed autism because it forced me to view things logically. I have a hard time with my feelings so I tend to ignore them and spend nights and nights studying everything I come across. I think it saved me kek.
>How do you feel about TIFs right now?
Younger tifs are victim of the grooming online, I can see how they grew up online because they have little to not-existent social cues and I see that they jump into trends due to trendyness and nlogism, like I was. I was a victim of both the sexualized society (like one time I got beaten up for being pretty and not giving an unknown moid some attention and couldn't come up with a logic reason, then radfems told me it was just moid behaviour while libfems were "omg why did you ignore him?? Men have a loneliness epidemic!!" like I was her little babysitter fuck off.) and both of the false beliefs online.
On the other hand, I do not respect older tifs, being 28 and up.
They have all the tools and can connect the dots on how is the society's fault and yet they choose to mutilate or fuck up themselves. I do not believe that these tifs one day realized in their adulthood that they didn't like to be a woman (because obv they can't say it's a fashion statement/phase) and thus started to dress up like a teenage yaoi boy, I really don't believe it so they're the ones that I truly despise, it's some kind of pickme behaviour were the target of that is not a man but the chronically online people.
No. 1942055
>>1942025Not sure about the first one, but for Buck and Blaire, being trans
is all their fame is based on, they actually need to emphatize it at every point. Like what good would it do for Blaire to pass (if he could) as conservative plastic woman #89, he's got famous for being a
consevative tranny No. 1942077
>>1942025They are essentially like high-functioning addicts, telling kids that they shouldn’t do drugs while lighting their own crack pipe >
https://www.michellealleva.ca/p/do-as-i-say-not-as-i-doAlso as other anons have pointed out, they thrive off of attention (huge Venn diagram overlap between attention seekers and well known troons), they thrive off of the praise they get from conservatives and GCs for being “one of the good ones”, Blaire and Debbie are probably narcissists who jack off to their own reflections in the mirror, and Buck maybe feels like she’s “too far gone” to detransition after making a living as “the man with a pussy” for so many years. Just my speculation.
No. 1942095
>>1942025Isn't buck early 60s and been tranning longer than alot of anons have been alive. At that age/stage I can get why someone wouldn't be arsed with going back
Blaire was saying alot of textbook shit that people tend to say right before detrooning. The whole 'omg it was muh trauma this whole time' bs but he won't do it. He'd lose his source of attention.
No. 1942106
>>1942025>I don't understand troons like Debbie Hayton, Buck Angel, and Blair White. Why do they keep up the larp?1. they’d lose their source of income (talking about being trans) 2. the sunk cost fallacy of medically transitioning (blaire has probably spend hundreds of thousands on plastic surgery to look more feminine) 3. they’d have to admit they were wrong, which is likely never going to happen since they’ve based their entire identities off of claiming to be more
valid than other trannies
No. 1942121
>>1941961>What did you identify as?A boy, though I wasn’t aware of transgenderism at the time so it’s less that I “identified as” a boy and more that I really wished I had been born one. I would sometimes fantasise about changing schools and starting over by pretending to be a boy, though.
>Why? What pushed you into it?Autism, not fitting in with other girls and some girls even telling me outright that I wasn’t really a girl and didn’t belong with them.
>What peaked you?I “desisted” (stopped fantasising about masquerading as a boy) because the whole Sweet Polly Oliver thing obviously wasn’t realistic or sustainable. I didn’t want to use the boys’ bathroom (gross) and certainly didn’t ever want to use their changing room, and I realised that the only people who’d ever truly mistaken me for a boy were frazzled substitute teachers. I’d be caught out sooner or later and that would be horrifically embarrassing. The thought of declaring myself an oppressed minority and pressuring other kids and teachers into playing along never even crossed my mind. I figured I just had to learn to accept myself as I was. Then a few years later I got to know a few TIFs and it struck me just how miserable and fake the whole thing was. People (including teachers) would use male pronouns and a male name to their face but the second they were out of earshot everyone reverted to their real name and female pronouns. People pitied them and saw them as fragile and kept them at arms’ length. It didn’t seem like something to strive for.
>How do you feel about TIFs right now?I empathise with them but also feel frustrated, especially with the older ones who really ought to know better. I also find myself keeping them at arms’ length as well because they’re not “just” emotionally unstable teenage girls anymore; they’re involved in a movement that ruins lives.
No. 1942575
>>1941961>What did you identify as? a guy, but didn't care much when people said she/her/hers since it wasn't worth an embarrassing fight.
>Why? What pushed you into it? family was semi religious so i thought becoming "straight" by being a "guy" that they wouldn't kick me out or hate me dating women. i was a pre-teen at the time before any of this got big and didnt care enough to be very feminine. everything was fake tan, extensions, fake eyelashes, tons of foundation at the time. all of that was too much work plus i would later have ana issues so it was body hate. mine was just short hair, mens clothes, and chest binding none of it ever escalated to hormones thank god.
>What peaked you? actually realizing only 2ish years in that no one would actually see me as a guy. i noticed on the internet men were seen as blank slates that barely got criticism. younger me thought that by dressing different i could escape being scrutinized as a woman. that was just never going to happen because no matter what i did i would be female regardless of the clothes. also, there were a few TIFs who explained the fake dick so i noped out.
>How do you feel about TIFs right now? mostly that they are sad and annoying women to deal with. i wish that they would wake up already to find that their internalized misogyny and hatred towards gc women wont solve their problems. it isnt a normal woman's fault you can't accept your body, how society sees you, the scrutiny, or the lesbophobia. theyre way out of line for calling into womens jobs because they dont believe in the ideology. if anything thats close to harassing and getting others fired just because you dont hold the same religious views.
No. 1942737
>>1942683I think it was data from the Tavistock gender clinic that revealed 1 in 6 kids who were referred to them had a parent who was a sex offender. So many trans identified kids are traumatised and trying to escape their body, but addressing sexual trauma as a potential cause of gender dysphoria in therapy is considered transphobic. I don’t know if she was even in therapy or not but in the reaction to her death you again see transgenderism completely obfuscating the reality of csa and its consequences on the
victims.
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moids are just admitting to be full agp on public social media now? idk, is this supposed to be a joke…it's just really weird
No. 1943004
>>1942047i don't believe this, but in general i think that there's a difference between someone calling themselves a transsexual (and admitting that they are a man who wants to be
perceived as a woman) and someone recanting the ~i was born in the wrong body~ schpiel. both are mentally ill, the latter moreso because they completely lack self awareness and cling onto their delusions.
>>1942737this is horrifying. the worst part is that these kids probably'll never get help for their actual trauma as they use transitioning as a coping mechanism and are spurred on by adults who are supposed to help and protect them.
No. 1943210
>>1943201Nope, but you must stupid if you can’t understand how much pregnancy physically and mentally deforms a woman. Your entire body, face, body chemistry changes, and pregnancy is extremely high-risk and taxing on the female body. Modern human birthing methods are even dangerous to women, yet we as women think it’s normal to rest on a hospital bed to have painful contractions when we should really be having children squatting or have a baby ripped out of our uterus through C-section due to inevitable complications because pregnancy is inherently dangerous and risky, and men have carved an entire culture which is heterosexual sex and intercourse to trap women into pregnancy to further their larger material, worldly goals and monopoly of control. But I thought you would already know that, I think you’re only interested in being anti-gender ideology because it’s safe to engage in until you actually have to think about how patriarchy impacts us and it’s mostly in our personal lives. That includes sex. Sex with men no matter how much they try to psyop you into putting the condom on or putting a painful IUD in your cooch will always bring the possibility and fear of pregnancy and forever attachment to the male, which is why they have successfully convinced you that the idea of sex that you have in your head right now is “healthy” and “pro-social”. There’s nothing pro-social about sex being heavily in the man’s favor, intercourse not even making most women satisfied and having an orgasm, unwanted pregnancies, STDs, rape, assault, etc. It’s way more grim than you think
(blackpill outside of containment) No. 1943214
>>1942025They do what they do because they are trying to push the "true trans" propaganda. It's a form of damage control, to trick people into thinking that there are reasonable trans people out there that aren't delusional, but this is highly contradictory as the essence of their identity is based on delusion. The only difference between them and the troons that they like to cast their friendly fire upon is that they are slightly less unsightly looking than them.
>>1942048Buck is just as bad, if not even worse than a lot of tims because she helped a child troon out and markets a lot of her content to children while still being the most grotesque sexual deviant possible. She was literally on the Howard Stern show riding on a dildo in front of them and she wants to educate children on being trans? No fucking way, idgaf how abused she claims to be. At best she is a druggie who refuses to seek treatment.
No. 1943222
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>>1943196You would enjoy The Gender Knot because you're right that moids made sex degrading, which they then reinforce with pornography. Picrel.
https://files.catbox.moe/a9516e.pdf No. 1943280
>>1943275NTA, but I just want to point out, before I head to bed, that your sperg out session started by you rushing in to agree with trannies on 4chan
>>1941912. And I don’t buy that these trannies spend their time reading about radical feminism. Food for thought,
nonny!
No. 1943382
>>1941961I never really went full TIF but I did think about it and felt like I was not like the other girls. Thankfully back then even though being trans was a thing it was heavily gatekept. I read that being trans is very rare and requires heavy feeling of dysphoria, people who are simply gnc were still considered a thing separate from trannies. Since for example I wasnt bothered by my genitals I figured Im not trans. I feel very bad for young girls these days, who get told they can be boys if they want.
>>1942025Blaire has admitted that after trooning out he got an eating disorder, Buck I think has been raped and used to be a porn star which has to be traumatizing. They are probably too mentally ill to go back, even if they seem self aware, and of course they make money being the conservative token troons.
>>1942762So are you a "nontypical" woman yourself? Maybe you can talk about your experiences and set a good example on how different women can be. Try not to enable her but also dont be like "just be a girl dumbass" because that will just alienate her.
No. 1943623
>>1941961>What did you identify as? I’m a woman
>Why? What pushed you into it? I struggled with being feminine growing up because I was a tomboy. Might be autistic who knows. The internet and college discourse was just starting to set the groundwork for TiM/TiF when I entered college in the early 00’s. This has been going on for 20 years now.
>What peaked you? College helped me explore feeling like a robot/ not a woman but after researching I realized these women who think they’re men are quite sad. They would never be men and were either sexually abused, autistic or lesbian. Seeing a woman go through T up close really peaked me.
>How do you feel about TIFs right now? I want them to stay away from the internet. Women used to be ana/mia or bi thanks to social contagion but now it’s mostly still that but with TiF issues. I want them to know if they’re not expressing a feminine cliche that they’re still women. No. 1943713
>>1943352our so-called "radical feminists" really get mad when you point out how degrading piv sex is and how that's the entire point of it lol. a man will literally say
>>1941912 "it's embarrassing to get fucked" and women will go "uhh actually no no no no it's super cool actually and there's nothing weird about it?!"
(bait/derailing) No. 1943718
>>1943713like i'm too lazy to find the tweets but men love to regularly say how gross and retarded women are for getting fucked by men, and instead of going "well maybe it's time to abstain from sex if that's how they view it" they insist that men are simply viewing it incorrect. like no, retard, they're making an accurate observation and you just don't want to accept it
>>1943563it's literally just a fact. only in recent years (and even then, barely) has it been a goal for a man to actually make a woman cum during sex lol
No. 1943722
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>>1941961>What did you identify as? nonbinary in my late teens not in the gendered term i used to think it was a identity trait i didnt know you could be gnc back then and then a he/him when i turned 20 i was a art student it was inevitable and covid didnt help being chronologically online did nuclear levels of retardation to my brain kek it was very brief and manic kek only a month
>Why? What pushed you into it? misogyny and internalized homophobia.grew up in a semi liberal muslim household and have a family member whos gay but hes in the west while im stuck in a sexist muslim country so i forced myself to conform so my life wont be at stake with my brothers outright saying they'll kill me if i was gay
wouldnt matter anyway women get killed here for lesser reasons my country has a femicide rate of 40% and thats not counting the unreported ones and religious dogma "i cant possibly a woman! only men like women! there must be something wrong with me!!.." that was my thinking it didnt help that my country is sympathetic to troons (not tifs) so i wasnt that opposed to troons and was a handmaiden to them,plus i was being groomed by a gross coomer moid who was turning me into his favorite femboy trope
he was a shotacon too despite having a little brother twitter didnt help too with stating that liking any thing out of the norm for a woman must mean you were trans i drank that koolaid up.i was into niche fandoms too filled with tifs so i felt i needed to conform like them to fit in
>What peaked you? Subcutaneous mastectomy, experience with a transbian and lolcow. when i was in my month of mania pretending to be a tif i looked up top surgery and saw the results they horrified me
plus i like my boobs kek i also had a transbian moid friend who sperged out on me when i denied his advances by saying i only date cis lesbians and that left a bitter taste in my mouth and soon later i discovered lolcow
animecore thread rip when i doubting the whole troon agenda and finally came to my senses and accepted that i was just a gnc lesbian who loved other women and that was fine and beautiful.im still in the closet but now i know which type of wood the closet is made of.
>How do you feel about TIFs right now? pity and sympathy and anger for them, i genuinely want to save these girls from themselves it breaks my heart and horrifies me whenever i see a top surgery celebration knowing how close i was to it. these women are led astray from a moid focused society but i dont blame them either in a world like ours where a rapist is celebrated and men pretending to be women are taking away rights women have fought and died for? who would want to be a woman anymore? it angers me that doctors are letting these women do self harm on a commercial scale and not helping them,psychiatrists cant help you anymore because theyre bound by law to affirm you knowing what will it mean later making you a life long patient but it doesnt mean i infantilize these women in the end its their decision if they only stopped to listen to the ebil terfs maybe they'll realize what a scam theyve been a part of.its still complicated for me
No. 1943752
>>1941961>What did you identify as?It changed over the years, somewhere between true and honest boy and genderless cloud woo. Well really, I just wanted to be an androgynous bishie shoujo love interest, if I'm being real.
>Why? What pushed you into it?My first gf in junior high proudly announced to me she was nonbinary because she liked masculine titles and then recruited me onto Tumblr circa 2012, where this discourse was germinating. By 2014, I had some pronouns too. But it was really a sort of escapist fantasy, almost like roleplay, that I participated in with my gf. I was vaguely aware of this at the time, but didn't see any reason to stop even after she and I broke up.
>What peaked you? I had a lot of cognitive dissonance about it over the years, but couldn't properly articulate why, and whenever I tried, I was immediately consoled by other TIFs who perceived my reservations as a cry for help. I followed a few TIMs on Tumblr because it occured to me that I had never interacted with them, and I quickly realized how different they were from what I thought they'd be like, and started to feel uneasy. Went out searching for Radblr posts and the cognitive dissonance became untenable.
>How do you feel about TIFs right now? It really depends. I have a lot of empathy for TIFs who I believe had a similar mentality to me, as in it's basically just digital cosplay to escape their shitty lives and they don't really bother anyone about it, but I do feel very frustrated with the hardcore TIFs who cape for TIMs and spend a lot of their time online sperging about evil TERFs.
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>What did you identify as?
demiboy, genderfluid, nonbinary
>Why? What pushed you into it?
used Tumblr throughout my highschool years (2011-2015) and was introduced to trans identity around 2014 via fandoms I was a part of (particularly Steven Universe). Didn't feel like I fit in with the other 17 year old girls in my school so to cope I identified as stupid bullshit so I wouldn't have to put in any work into myself.
>What peaked you?
When I was 19, I took a look at myself and realized that constantly feeling like if I had to keep changing my gender identity every week, then obviously that meant I didn't truly believe in what I was doing to myself and I stopped with the gender nonsense. (Also I left Tumblr a few year before this because the Zamii drama occurred and it opened my eyes to the extreme black/white mindset of the people there).
I also had an irl friend when I was 19 that said she was a boy (that wanted to use she/they pronouns). I told her that I can help her go shopping to find clothes to better represent herself as a boy and she sperged out at me with how clothes dont reflect your gender. I'm not friends with this clown anymore.
Also I guess my mother's realist genes started to take a hold of my brain because I couldn't continue believing in something that had no scientific basis to it, and what looked like a trend from the outside looking in.
>How do you feel about TIFs right now?
At this point I don't care. Just another easy red flag for me to spot for an annoying mentally ill person, and more sites they congregate on/people for my future children to ignore.
I just thank god i'm not in that position anymore where i'm susceptible to their grooming and I can feel comfortable calling myself a naturally born heterosexual woman without shame of being kicked out of a fandom group/losing my career.
Hope they get the help they need to fix whatever is going on in their heads, but i'm not the one that's gonna sit there like an idiot and affirm their delusions for them all day.
No. 1943916
>>1943851are you really comparing just having a female body to letting a man have sex with you…two separate things
>>1943761>taking mens word as gospel about the state of women and what they doif a man says "i feel disgusted with the woman i have sex with after we have sex because of how she let me degrade her" then that isn't me taking their word as gospel, that's me pointing out men think women are retarded for engaging in sex with them. you'd have to be completely retarded and in denial to not see how piv sex is inherently degrading anyway. yes, laying down and letting a guy rut inside of you is submissive and pathetic. yes, men mean for it to be that way. no, that isn't me sculpting my world view around what men think or whatever
i bet you're one of those retards who thinks cocksucking is empowering bc you have his dick in your mouth lol. get help
(derailing/bait) No. 1944172
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Imagine being so angry that people still enjoy Harry Potter.
No. 1944174
>>1941961>What did you identify as? ftm, or a transman, whatever (I had a transmedicalist viewpoint from the start)
>Why? What pushed you into it?A lot of things, but ongoing body dysmorphia and sexual harassment plus difficulty starting my career were big factors. Also, meeting transmen irl and realizing it was a thing made me realize I could transition too (up until the mid 2010's I thought only intersex people transitioned to male because of some documentary I saw, so I was ignorant). I went to a counselor and joined a support group for gender dysphoria and they ended up making my dysphoria worse. When I got a new health insurance plan which covered transition with very low copays, I decided to go to a gender clinic to see if it was the right path for me, not knowing that they funnel everyone into treatment. I took their diagnosis of gender dysphoria very seriously because they were supposed to be the experts.
>What peaked you? I peaked culturally on the more ridiculous nonbinary and gendersoul stuff before I even started transition. It took me a lot longer to peak on the transmedical view. What fucked me up the most was a combo of reading WPATH's SoC 8 and seeing pictures of the surgeries they were advocating in a thread on the other farms. Phalloplasty is horrific and nullification is just plain evil. I realized that the leading professionals in gender medicine don't give a shit about the actual lives of the people they're treating.
>How do you feel about TIFs right now?I'm worried for them, but I also feel intense secondhand embarrassment. I've shared my experiences a bit irl in the hopes that maybe it will have some influence in dissuading someone else from going down the medical transition pathway.
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>>1944172Just imagine being this dense to tell someone they're a bad guy for a stream of a game that wasn't that good after all. Then they're the
victims for… reasons?
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Wow! I sure wish MY insurance would cover whatever plastic surgery I want, I could use a boob job and some liposuction and I absolutely NEED IT to AFFIRM MY FEELINGS OF FEMININITY AS A WOMAN
No. 1944200
>>1944185It's so stupid. It's like those 'comics' people post on Twitter that are just
>Amorphous blob-shaped human 1 with the word "Terf" on its shirt sitting in trash can>Shapeless human 2: Person BAD!It doesn't SAY anything and it doesn't need to be a drawing, or a fucking embroidery, they could just say "I hate people who don't accept troons!" but that doesn't get enough asspats
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>>1944187I keep telling my bf that the day we go to any of the HP parks I'm going to wear a "I ♥ jkr" shirt. Maybe in Japan since there's not as many westerners there. He then says someone will want to punch me. I say I will also bring bright neon Crocs that spell out "JKR did nothing wrong" in jibbits.
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>>1944225Go to the one in Orlando. It has the biggest parks and most rides. It has both Hogsmeade and Diagon Alley, which no other park in the world does. It also has the Hagrid motorbike ride, and Escape from Gringotts bank, which is amazing. I'm a lesbian and I go every year with my wife. We've met tons of other gay people there (both men and women.) I am telling you, outside of twitter, people do not give a shit about the JKR hate or trannies.
No. 1944258
>>1944240yeah I always remember that twitter isnt real life whenever i go to the Harry Potter place in Universal (another floridian yay). There's so many families there and regular ass fans that just want to have fun and buy merch.
People on twitter have a warped sense of reality but i guess they'd have to go outside of their rooms to realize they're fighting nothing.
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It's funny because it's true
No. 1944310
>>1944225>He then says someone will want to punch me.Why would anyone in HP park want to punch you if they're in a park created by JKR book? Is like saying you hate Miyamoto but go to Super Mario park.
>>1944240>>1944258TBH I would go to any park but to say stupid phrases from a Sudaca parody.
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>how tifs think
No. 1944482
>>1944191The surgeons who perform these TIF mastectomies are butchers nonna. They mangle their patients and then ghost them, relying on cult brainwashing to stop the patients from suing them for malpractice. You don’t want these people to operate on you.
>>1944310Some of them are that hypocritical. I know several TIP and TRAs who still consoom HP because it’s their “comfort media” that they absolutely require for their mental health. They will hiss and spit at “cis” people who enjoy HP without being mentally ill about it and will verbally abuse JKR every chance they get, but will still watch the movies and go to these parks. They’re almost exclusively women and I don’t think any of them are unhinged enough to punch anon at a HP park but she can definitely expect some nasty looks.
>>1944443My city centre is full of trans flags, unfortunately.
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it's genuinely so odd to me that the poster children for tra slop tends to be a "poc" when the majority of tras are white or otherwise very, very pale (east asian). in reverse, the poster children for radical feminists are white women but in most cases, radical feminists are actually minorities (from my experience a LOT of radical feminists are hispanic, desi, from etc. cultures where femicide is unfortunately common and women's rights aren't quite as along as they are in the us) and most of the women tras select as "rad fem" are just regular tradthots.
bit ot but it's also sad that "intersectional feminism" was supposed to be about white and black women in america, and how their issues were similar in many ways, but got hijacked by white males in skirts.
No. 1944707
>>1944434And use the death of the young AGP and the girl that went 41% for their "literal genocide".
>>1944696I know someone who is full of "If you still read HP, unfollow me or block me", yet is always posting stuff like
>>1944172 If you really want to "boycott" something, The Simpsons did it first.
No. 1944811
>>1944694The majority in any group doubles down on a minority as a way to cover up for something lacking in activism, such as the focus of the activism not getting at the root of the issue. In the case of trans kids, they know deep down kids cannot consent, but they're using
POC as a deflection along with knowing most radfems come from
POC countries. It's all a well planned out tactic. They're smart, but they use this knowledge as manipulation.
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More like "lgb kids deserve to be healthy adults".
No. 1944885
>>1944345>>1944358Homestuck really was responsible for so many idiots trooning out.
>>1944401Not soon enough, sadly.
No. 1944922
>>1941961>What did you identify as?I disliked labelling myself really but used they/them and eventually he/they
>Why? What pushed you into it?I was on Tumblr from probably 2012 and watched the ideology develop in real time. I was a bit of a tomboy as a teenager (but a very feminine child mind you), was the more masc one in my teenage same sex relationship, was deeply repulsed by my own menstruation and women's underwear. I don't know. I remember my "coming out" post on tumblr in 2014, which was less of a coming out and more of a question of "am I allowed to consider myself non-binary if I just hate misogyny and femininity?" - I was obviously affirmed unquestioningly by everyone. Despite the fact that I had received no real answers, was still not sure and felt vaguely embarrassed by it, I eventually just accepted that this is "what you do" if you don't "feel like a woman". I lived with constant major cognitive dissonance for the following almost-decade that I continued to be a pronoun haver
>What peaked you?It didn’t feel like it made sense that trans women were considered the most vulnerable demographic in society while being so much more likely than me to be able to access and develop skills that women are typically excluded from. I was treated so badly by men doing a tech role in uni that I’ve not gone near the field since I graduated, yet my city is saturated with trans women in tech (music tech specifically).
I realised that accusations of transmisogyny will arise from any grievance that one could dare to even pussyfoot around and realised I was becoming resentful. Eventually I dated a man who became trans-identified midway through our relationship; he was very
abusive towards me but I was constantly frightened that if I admitted this I’d be considered "transmisogynistic". I also witnessed some of my closest friends be sexually abused by trans women, yet everyone is horrified at the suggestion that trans women address the issues endemic in their own community. The is hierarchy of vulnerability that is adhered to so strictly is insane. It destroys any analysis of the axes by which women are actually oppressed and disadvantaged in the world.
I have always checked lcf now and then out of curiosity but I started frequenting /ot/ and /XX/ after finally breaking up with the
abusive TiM. For the past year or two I have been reading a lot of feminist literature and paying attention to the conversations in radfem spaces.
>How do you feel about TIFs right now? I just wish I could make them understand. I wish I could peak them. Many of the more retarded ones are too far gone but I do notice that in our late 20s some of them are chilling out a bit. One of my best friends is still a TRA but has detransitioned, for example. It just feels like an uphill battle as women are usually the ones upholding and enforcing systems of social justice.
One of my dearest friends and ex has recently "become non-binary" and it's made me feel so unbelievably hopeless. This is an extremely feminine woman, you understand, who dresses in pink and white j-fashion, and even previously expressed to me in our late teens that she doesn't understand trans stuff and has never felt dysphoria in her life. It's purely social and ideological. It's a woman-hating, regressive ideology totally antithetical to our liberation and these women are wholly captured by it. It's fucking bleak.
No. 1945027
>>1944841Trans-identified kids deserve to become
healthy adults without osteoporosis in their fucking 20’s.
>>1944942Autistic and badly traumatised girls (like Dagny), too. It feels like eugenics.
No. 1945392
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Rowling Derangement Syndrome is a sight to behold.
No. 1945557
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Someone on boston lex posted a hookup ad that said "cis femmes only please" and the original version of the ad had half a dozen angry replies saying it was transmisogynist to want to have sex with a cis femme. The same people who get angry enough over the transmisogyny of someone wanting to have sex with a vagina to actively complain about the post not just in the comments but on the main timeline for lex were lamenting how there's no lesbian grindr, though. I get it: when you only care about yourself, you want a space to post about 'leaking in your cage after getting throatfucked' but you don't think other people deserve spaces for hateful evil desires like 'eating pussy.' I just don't understand why it's so heinous to picture a small handful of people on the same 'shady hookup app' as you wanting something you don't, though. Certainly, most tinder users aren't offended at the idea that there are some men or women on the app who want something different from what they want? It's just ridiculous that it's not enough for them to be desired, they have to snuff out anyone desiring anyone else besides them.
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>>1945392>implying people care about scottish cultureIf she's not a
terf, then she's a colonizer or an antisemitism (which no one seems to use it now because watermelon emojis). What's next? Is she against abolitionist movement because as soon as Dobby was free, Dobby started to be a pos?
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Except it wasn't a respectful joke? The joke was that Barney wanted to Homer to model the bikini he bought, he wasn't an ally.
No. 1945678
Apparently it's trans visibility day.
https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/1bsnak6/to_be_trans_is_to_change_for_the_better/I hate seeing TIMs act like they could be killed at any moment. Everybody already knows you're male. Even if you cut off your dick.
No. 1945709
>>1945392No one has a
victim complex quite like the scottish, despite that fact that they were right there alongside the english colonising Ireland.
No. 1945912
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JKR being based as fuck as usual. Would post all the pics but phonefagging.
https://nitter.poast.org/jk_rowling/status/1774747068944265615 No. 1945916
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>>1945912Himdia accusing her of obsessing over him and that everyone else she posted was a bunch of sexual offenders was so funny, he has some explaining to do to his fellow troons.
No. 1945922
>>1945594Imagine trying to make barney woke. This is pathetic
>>1945912A queen never stops posting. Love her
No. 1946108
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>>1945916He’s illiterate (he wasn’t the only man that wasn’t a criminal) and refuses to address her actual post, which was 100 percent on point. JK remains queen. I love her
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>>1946108>last, but leastKek
No. 1946632
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My mom had an appointment today and sent me this. Leafland btw, I wonder when the whistleblowing and reports about these suicides will start to come out
No idea how it came up but my little sis has autism and had dysphoria as a kid (that disappeared the moment she was put in an autism class and she met other autistic girls) so it might have come up from that.
I feel bad for the doc, I don't think she can legally stop her patients from transitioning their kids and it could be seen as "conversion therapy" to suggest alternative treatments. She could lose her job if people find out what she's noticed. Meanwhile I know for a fact there are still underground actual gay conversion therapy camps for kids in this country. Or at least "straight suggesting" camps for kids.
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As you know, Dylan Mulvaney released a song about being a girl, that's about overspending, being a whore, taking meds and being shallow as shit, women replied by using the audio of "Labour" by Paris Paloma, a song about how women are forced to serve men and the horrors of birthing a girl only to see her fall in the same serving fate, Paris decided to side with Dylan, I guess for Good Inclusive Girl points and said that "this song is also about trans women!!" (how lol) and changed her pronouns to She/They. My guess is only for clout, like you can't really write a song about Labour which talks about the fate of being born a girl and then siding with the ill logic that men can choose to be "girls", but goddamn if this feels so cultish. Shame on her for being weak but musicians right, how are they not attention seeking?
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No. 1947419
>>1941961>What did you identify as?flip-flopped between nb, ftm and "cis" girl for about 7 years, finally settled on ftm for some 3 years, then went bigender right before peaking
>Why? What pushed you into it?it's the usual: tomboy, same-sex attracted, mentally ill/kind of autistic so i never bonded with girls my age, raised strictly catholic, early unrestricted internet access, abused and neglected as a child,
groomed online and irl, developed autoandrophilia (as a result of the grooming i guess? i don't know)
>What peaked you?i was deeply insecure in my ftm identity because deep down i knew i would never be male no matter how much i tried to delude myself, so i turned all my pent up rage onto "terfs". i felt that if i somehow debunked any and all anti-gender ideology arguments i would
finally be able to "be me" (aka. larp as male successfully). i lurked radfem tumblr blogs for months so that i could write a full guide on recognizing "
terf ideology" and so i could debunk every radfem anti-trans argument. i ended up slowly peaking myself instead kek
>How do you feel about TIFs right now? incredibly frustrated, but sad for some of them. i have little to no empathy for the ones that side with nasty ass tims, i feel horrible for the ones who are clearly closeted bi/lesbian women or who are gnc and are just trying to live their lives without realizing how much damage they're doing to themselves. i have hope that at least half of the women who identify as tifs today can and likely will peak in the near future.
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>>1945930Turns out they didn't dare to. She stopped the law in it's tracks. She really is the fucking queen.
No. 1947730
>>1947658>>1947664I'm just in awe of how great she is. One of the few times when your hero turns out to be everything you hoped and more. Not only does she have the sheer guts to speak her mind and never back down or apologise or soften her message, she's so intelligent and eloquent and funny. Couldn't wish for a better spokeswoman.
I should go buy physical copies of the Strike series, go read em if you haven't yet anons!
No. 1947788
>>1947658>>1947664I’m so grateful for this woman. Imagine if we didn’t have her and everyone who publicly called this shit out was small enough for the Scottish Police to target and silence. They wouldn’t even have to convict anyone, just take away all their devices and ruin their life through the “investigation”. Even though they still couldn’t possibly enforce the law equally, the inequality would be a lot less visible, so if they specifically targeted gc women (which they would) they’d likely get away with it. But JKR forced them to take a stand in the most public way possible; either they arrest her for saying transwomen are men and call down worldwide scrutiny on this insane new law or they let her comments slide and set a precedent that protects the gc position.
Every time she speaks out like this I remember that she could have stayed quiet, could have back-pedalled her initial “middle aged moment” and apologised and simply sat back and enjoyed the rest of her life in peace. Instead, she chose to fight and risk her neck for women’s rights. I’m so happy we have her.
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No. 1947967
>>1947835Definitely the latter. Nothing worse than following an artist for years and suddenly they are drinking the tranny gender politics kool-aid. They've gone too far. Think their older art is '
problematic' and want to put watermelons in their profile now. It makes me unfollow them, but be very sad about it, because they are often too far gone. Even if they stop drinking the kool-aid, they left their mark in their current art.
No. 1948253
>>1947835Definitely the second one. Like
>>1948144 said, it's inescapable and troon shit is currently overwhelming fandom spaces. Every other post has some sort of troonery in it and it makes fandom just plain not fun. I've started blocking as many gendie and troon artists as I can but I think my accounts are flagged because I'm doing it so damn much. I knew it was the end times when I started seeing gender neutral and TIF reader insert fanfics.
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>>1941961I wasn't, but I came dangerously close. There was a period of time in eighth grade where I wore oversized boyish clothes, a sports bra, and short hair. When strangers mistook me for a boy, I wouldn't correct them. Thankfully, I never trooned despite being the exact right demographic for it (autistic zillenial girl on Tumblr.) I think it's because I'm a contrarian and I've always been super averse to trends and fads, so I never got peer-pressured into it. Also, I have good relationships with both of my parents, so there's that.
No. 1948368
>>1941961>What did you identify as? nonbinary
>Why? What pushed you into it?autistic social outcast + gender dysphoria + body image issues
>What peaked you? one of my friends actually, and I'm thankful to her for that. It's the reason I don't have botched top surgery now, if I would've went through with it I absolutely would've kermited by now.
>How do you feel about TIFs right now?I'm fine with ones who fully transition but the "I'm literally a gay trans man" shit and every single slightly gnc (or even fully gc hyperfeminine) female becoming a he/they/it is so depressing. get me out of here dawggggg. so many of these girls are gonna regret making permanent life decisions at such a young age. If the world is cruel to gnc women, no need to abandon it entirely but instead prove them wrong by existing instead of erasing yourself.
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>>1944345>>1944358>>1945759Yeup, It's legit. She actually paid to legally change her name to "Dirk Halexander Broseph Strider." She even posted her license to prove it. No idea how this person was somehow deemed mentally stable enough for major cosmetic surgery.
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>>1948374Here's how she looks after the chop. Still clearly has boobs, just no nipples. And a beer gut.
No. 1948548
>>1947835I can find someone else to be attracted to so I'd say the second one. I like to engange in my fandoms as a way to relax after a long day and they're the worst places if you're not a gendie. If someone says that [character] is trans then they're trans period, he has a pussy, she has a dick and if you try to ask for non trans content, you're getting canceled and kicked out that space. A male is cute and pathetic? Pussy. A girl is quirky? Dick. Meanwhile, they all scream about breaking gender roles and they also shit on canon (I'm not overly strict about canon but I think that if you need to change a character so much, just make ocs).
Worst offender: Trigun fandom. The protag even impregnates others but since he has big eyes and cries, it's "totes Golden retriever coded" and by consequence, he has a pussy. Goddamn.
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I hate how these TRAs have given conservatives the golden ticket against every sort of progressive or leftist. They just ask them a question that everyone deep down knows should be obvious, and they can't ever give a proper answer either out of delusion or fear of getting cancelled.
No. 1949140
>>1949051Nta but i want to add that while we can't open their mind to stop being delusional, giving any sort of legal recognition to them is a mistake because it's based on nonsense. it would be like to legaly recognize anas as deathfats and giving them treatments intended for fatties and special privilegies.
Trannies are a quite sad case where the mental ilnesss interferes with politics, and that makes them even worse for everyone.
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>Wishing bad to a woman while "misgender" her
>Ask for Ceasefire in Palestine
ironic
No. 1949318
>>1949130thats actually something i notice a lot about TIM/TIF's online is that they use boy/girl but never more mature terms for themselves. they also watch a lot of childrens shows too. Guess like
>>1949301 said, most are developmentally stunted.
No. 1949339
>>1949153well isn't that part of the problem? dysphoria
does exist in those ways but most of them are treated as disorders. they don't treat trannies the same because they keep conflating being a tranny with how gay/lesbianism manifests biologically(even though gay/lesbian behaviors and sexuality is found in nature). plus trans surgery is a huge grift and much more lucrative than therapy, along with it being a thinly veiled form of eugenics/gay conversion therapy.
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>>1949157you're onto something here
No. 1949777
>>1949599I'm detrans tif myself and used to be active in lots of tranny discord shitholes as a teen, which is why I feel I understand that specific genre of terminally online TIM pretty well.
But even beyond that they're kind of everywhere? They're present in all my hobbies, college classes and friend groups. I see them at the grocery store or the bar. They're at my friends' parties and they follow me on social media. I feel like depending on your interests/location you can feel like they're 75% of the population or rarely see them.
No. 1949852
>>1949275Ugh, the fact that this has 40k likes is pathetic. JKR really does live rent free in these people's heads
>palestine flagAlways
No. 1949899
>>1942047How do you decide that, anon? Are they only "legit" to you because they're GC? Because it seems to me like they talk the talk but don't walk the walk. If they truly didn't believe in this crap, they wouldn't participate in it. Granted, Buck and Blair have probably fucked up their bodies too much to detrans, but they could at least
say that's why they don't detrans. At the end of the day, they only consider other troons "fake" for the simple fact that they dislike being lumped in with sex pests and political extremists.
No. 1949915
>>1949899>Buck and Blair have probably fucked up their bodies too much to detrans, but they could at least say that's why they don't detrans. Detransing is not about undoing surgeries, or even about looks at all, it's the mental process of admitting you are not another "gender" and you are your real sex. Plenty of detrans people can't afford the expensive surgeries to undo what they've done, and even if they could we all know adding a frankendick or breast implants isn't in any way the same as a real deal. Not to mention once people realize those doctors and surgeons treated them like guinea pigs and ended up with awful complications they're stuck with medical fear and trauma, they rightfully do not trust those ideologically captured medical people anymore.
I don't think it's a good idea to sell that these people can't detrans because they're "too far gone". Everyone can detransition. They can admit they just like being a feminine man who looks like a woman, or a women who looks like a man.
No. 1949938
>>1941961I'm really glad you posited this question nona. something that I love about this estonian basket weaving forum is connecting with other women that are awkward and considered "girlfailures" because it's one of few spaces where I feel seen, and reading other stories echoes that. I hope reading my story gives solace to other desisted/detransed nonnies, the stories desisters and detransitioners tell really resonate with me and help me manage lingering dysphoria (delusional thought doesn't always go away immediately because you understand it to be nonsense, unfortunately).
>What did you identify as? I actually pushed for true&honest man kek. I went at it from hard internalised misogyny and NLOGism as a third worlder tomboy who had femininity pushe on me HARD by family and peers, and I realised how many "non binaries" were just the girls I perceived as dangerous as a gnc nerd shut in with a primarily male nerd friend circle, so I did a lot of "not like other trannies" cope and insisted I was a REAL MAN
>Why? What pushed you into it? I'm an autist on the line of just functional enough that people don't register my offputting behaviour as autism and retarded enough that people notice something is "wrong" even if they don't have a name for it. I never grasped female social dynamics, I was that weird pet project for girl groups or a complete reject, didn't have shared interests and clicked better with passing friendships over shared activities with moids. Like many tomboys who have scrote friends can attest I had to learn to wrangle their sexual retardation to earn respect, and cut off any scrote that continued to be a creep after. I still fell into understanding I had been female socialised enough to see myself as a "gay man" though– but it was because of mannerisms, I'm bisexual and knew it far before the trans shit. Like the nona who spoke of her autistic literal brain said I could only delude myself so much before logic kicked in and made cognitive dissonance flare.
I went from my thirdie country to London to visit family and met gendies irl instead of on tumblr for the first time. They goaded me into it which is why I see trannyism as a cult that recruits, even if those tifs seemed to truly believe what they were saying. I noticed a lot of them were more typically feminine in presentation but I really wanted to be a man so family would stop fucking with me because I was a tomboy and their words were enticing. I sorta hinted at it to my relatives, being a doormat like most insecure TiFs who take the man persona to be stronger but are total wallflowers in practice, and planned to queue up for the Tavistock and Portman if I got a residence. Then the residence got canned and I had to move back to my shithole, and that's when the illusion shattered.
>What peaked you? First? Realising poignantly than my tranning did nothing to solve the sexism I was trying to escape from because no one actually sees tifs and tims as what they claim to be. I then realised inside the tranny community everyone knows who the men and the women actually are, so I wouldn't even achieve my goal of being taken seriously and going under the radar as a dude among other trannies. That made me realise it was all worthless and seek other points of view. I learned about radical feminism and agree with several tenets, but I found a lot of the radfems shitting on other women for just befriending moids disingenuous. It felt like a lot of them just swapped the tranny clique for another one. Radical feminism still taught me a lot of things that helped me give up on this though, on that front I am very grateful for it. It helped me be confident and feel cool as a strange woman, rather than like a failure, be neutral about my body, and solidarise with other women who would often feel like aliens to me. I'm still too retarded to get along with normies, but it cured me of the worst of my NLOGism.
>How do you feel about TIFs right now? A lot of them feel lost and aimless to me. If I'm brutally honest the very feminine neopronoun xenogender ones who put themselves on the way to get stomped by tims make my internalised misogyny flare, because I don't want to be associated with a group that's so willing to be curbstomped by loser, coomer men, but I understand that's bias I have yet to undo. Then some of them seem as porn rotten as the tims, and I don't know what to make of that. Mostly, seeing them hurts. Too much like looking in a mirror. so I avoid socialising with trannies of either sex. Like leaving a cult it's too easy to get roped back in or fall into the programming if you hang out with active cultists. I would advise any detranny who came to it from a lot of pain like me and who was a doormat once to stay the fuck away and try not to look back. They prey on your empathy and weaknesses like most cults.
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>>1949503It's somewhere between 1-5% of men nona
In a city of a million there are at least 10,000 pedoscrotes
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28526106Also ngl, I think the scrote who did the studying may be a pedoshit himself or at least ok with some degree of pedophilia seeing as he seems to consider <14 to be proper pedophilia, or at least the one to be concerned about
>>1949893the fact that they're gender essentialists who cannot imagine a world where they could just be whatever and still remain their birth sex. Also because they're a group spearheaded by male fetishists who are the most single-minded demographic on the planet and on a mission for coom.
>>1949915Shapeshifter is a good example of someone detransitioning but staying very effeminate. The only thing he misses is his amputated penis
his inner stump is horrific and I feel so bad for the guy honestly>>1949942yeah but they still push the lie that transitioning is a solution for dysphoria unlike detransitioners who realize it doesn't do shit for dick(less)
No. 1950027
>>1949999Important fact to remember is that the vast majority of men who commit pedophilic crimes and abuse children sexually are NOT actual pedophiles, they just abused the closest and easiest
victim they had access to. Anyone who works with abused kids learn this day 1 but the general public is still usually unaware. All the more reason to keep troons out of female bathrooms, they're male opportunistic predators trying to find easy
victims.
No. 1950040
>>1949942It's like saying "I smoke and I look cool doing it and it saved my life, I'd be dead without it, but YOU shouldn't smoke kids!! Just because it's right to a few who are the coolest, most specialest, true smokers like me doesn't mean it's right for others who are less cool" while smoking in the whole video. To a lot of people they just affirm that they too are the most special true trans.
But I still think these people are a much needed bridge to peaking indoctrinated people. Handmaidens wouldn't ever listen to a non-trans person saying the same things, but they're still faghag-y enough that they worship Blaire even when he says the wrong things.
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I'm so fucking sick of handmaidens defending Dyldo Mulvaney. "you can criticize a bad song without being transphobic!!!11" OH MY GODDD shut the fuck up you stupid bitch PLEASE I can't take it anymore. so he can build his entire identity on blatant misogyny and profit off of it but we are supposed to respect it??? we are supposed to care about his feelings and call him "she"? absolute fucking retards. I can't stand them. I'm so tired of this shit.
I think it should be mandatory for everyone who wants to argue about trans rights to spend 8 hours scrolling through most popular tranny subreddits so they can Listen To Trans Voices and know what they support when they defend trannies. make them watch an hour long slideshow of rotdogs and rotpockets for better effect. force them to read through leaked WPATH files. I'm sick of hearing opinions from people who have no idea what they're talking about.
No. 1950109
>>1950020yeah which is under the pedo umbrella so I still think it's weird for a researcher to state <14 as his pedo line even for an article. 16 is pushing it, but two years even younger? I'd argue 15 is equally childlike to 14 with 16 barely farther.
>>1950027yes this is very important. Like how pedos who target pre-pubescent kids' victimize kids who don't necessarily line up with their sexuality. At least now people are more aware that keeping their sons away from gays won't save them, and likewise letting your gay friend take care of your daughter isn't a guaranteed safe situation either.
Though it feels like people are forgetting in the age of troons and drag queens reading to young children and teaching them sex-ed lessons or giving them shows without prior set approval. It's like people took the fact that gay doesn't equal pedo after they stopped believing the church claim it's a gay problem and then forgot all men could still be one.
>>1950036I seriously think it's people's guilty conscious after they'd been so homophobic then realized gay is natural beyond a shadow of a doubt through science and exposure. People are just scared of being on the wrong side of history (again). I find the most tolerant old people to troons were people who had to learn "live and let live/who cares if they're not hurting you" after being virulent racists and/or homophobes. Also I think because people are seeing kids abandon their parents much easier and often now and they don't want to lose their kids/be alone in a retirement home when older.
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>>1950036>Okay but how and why did troonacy become acceptable worldwide? >>1949893>Why is it that "gender dysphoria" is the only body-dysmorphic-type condition we treat by enabling it as opposed to discouraging it?Because it is profitable. Every person, dysphoric or not, who is chasing surgeries and hormones was proven to be worth £2M per head. They are walking talking ATMs. If brain sex was real doctors would give a brain scan and say "Yup you are a man/woman/nonbinary inside. I will book you for your £25k surgery tomorrow (not counting revisions) to rectify this immediately." but instead they are giving 1 hour assessments/appointments and crippling people for profit but they don't care because they see them as degenerate faggots/dykes that need fixing anyway, hence why so many MTFs are like "Hello fellow lesbians, I was
also pushed to be attracted to men, which is why I belong here, with you. Let's fuck now!" like no you massive scrote the doctor wanted to make sure he wasn't mutilating a heterosexual male kek. Also misery loves company, other trans people love shilling trans shit as a magic pill when they know that they still hate themselves. They will be like "I'm so much happier now!" but if you asked them "what's changed?" there's no concrete answer, they just want to believe something has changed, so they keep promoting it. Everyone else is encouraging it too, workshops, courses, pins and merchandise, buy buy buy.
What makes it funnier is that transitioning was started by the right wing as a way to convert homosexuals, but is now being marketed as a left wing concept because of its relationship to homosexuals without any critical thought behind its origins. All because it is profitable. And by relating it to homosexuality it is then put above criticism, despite the fact for the last decade
especially it has been a heterosexual-male-feelings and fetish movement reinforced by the porn industry (who love creating and selling paraphilias). The kicker is I remember reading about a geriatric male with dementia, who had transitioned in his 30s, and now believed doctors had experimented on him. He cut his hair and went by his old name and refused to allow anyone to touch him and would scream if anyone tried to. Freaked me out. I remember reading another case of a male dementia patient in an old people's home not being trans anymore, and the nurse looking after him said she believed he must have suffered transphobia because he would dress in male clothing, but then said he seemed comfortable and that he fit in with the other men there, which was somehow twisted as proof that the transphobia must have been so bad he reverted back to being male, despite no evidence of transphobia occurring, so she then suggested the wife and kids were to blame. Everyone just seems to be wilfully dumb. The first man I mentioned who forgot he transitioned also had a wife btw. No one is allowed to acknowledge this is just a male coom movement.
No. 1950241
>>1941961I was a TIF when i had a severe eating disorder and felt 100% alienated from my own body. I recovered and felt like I was going to be demolished if I admitted the NB identity was a side effect of wanting to be as detached from my body as possible.
The biggest thing that peaked me though is that suddenly I started seeing TIMs deny that male socialization is a real thing "because it didn't work on them so they can't have been male socialized". They started "not all males"-ing something that is by definition NOT within your control and has nothing to do with how you personally think of yourself. I don't care if you want to pretend you knew you were "really" a girl at 2 years old, that has no bearing on how people treated you as a male and taught you how to interact with and regard females. It doesn't matter if you want to say "lol socialization failed I am a woman". It affects even subconscious ways you interact with other people and the world. Once I realized they were trying to deny it, it started amplifying all the ways I saw TIMs act towards females and all the ways I saw TIFs capitulating towards males. Dire
No. 1950273
>>1950241The denial of male socialization really did a good job peaking many of us, I started peaking for the same reason, plus I had a bad feeling about male troons and it was the same feeling when I'm around certain males, that gut feeling you're in danger y'know. I also saw firsthand male trannies downplaying their peers crimes and forbidding us from talking about it because it would make them look bad. It was truly "not all men" all over again and now I can see
terf for what it is, the old "feminazi" they'd pull to any woman or girl who said enough. Tra is just mra and it's bizarre how people cannot see it but then I couldn't see it for a long time too. Good thing they are their worst enemies, I don't know anyone who peaked thanks to the ebil terves, only thanks to trannies themselves.
No. 1950332
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I got bored and started lurking r/mtf a few minutes ago and saw this. What a bunch of drama kings kek, hopefully it’s total tranny death.
No. 1950526
>>1949301I've noticed this too, even the 'successful' ones with actual jobs obsess over toddler cartoons. They live in hovels with mold on the walls and beg for money to buy pizza because their roommate Sock (he/ze/it) is deathly allergic to doing the dishes. They have monthly mental breakdowns when the rent is due because they thought that was their mental health spending money and the landlord doesn't accept secondhand PS5s as payment. All of their problems are things like 'I am homeless because my mother told me to put away my shoes and I cannot deal with this transphobia any longer'. They're terrified of being held accountable for their bullshit and right now trooning out absolves you of all crimes. If it wasn't being a gendie, they'd find something else to identify as, probably AuDHD, that could grant them diplomatic immunity in their retarded Steven Universe and My Little Pony ship wars.
>>1950276As long as they peak and stop memeing themselves into ruining their lives for likes, that's all that matters.
No. 1950628
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The fate of every nerdy guy these days.
No. 1950632
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>>1950628kek
nonny i suffer alongside you. Scott the woz is the last remaining specimen of true shy cute nerd
No. 1950682
>>1950628Two different exes of mine from years ago were both thin, pretty, liked nerdy stuff and anime, were talented musicians and had a great sense of humor…and they BOTH fucking trooned out in the last 5 years.
I feel ashamed and kind of disgusted with myself somehow. Like - do I just have horrible shitty taste in men, who are autogynephiliac freaks? I seriously never would have seen that coming from either of them! Or, are they just the retarded ones for falling for this cultural bullshit? Why can’t men just be pretty nerds anymore?
No. 1950687
>>1950682this kind of stuff is why i'm careful when dating guys with any kind of social media accounts that arent strictly related to hobbies.
Nerdy guys I knew years ago with twitters/tumblrs/high presence on social media (and big emphasis on them always getting themselves involved in drama that doesnt involve them) trooned out eventually.
No. 1950862
>>1950831hold the fuck up, so the woman donating to domestic violence shelters (and was a
victim of dv herself), who speaks out against creepy males wanting access to spaces for women and girls is now a suspected trafficker and pedophile because she called several mtfs male? and she's somehow worse than the man who
actually trafficked, raped and abused dozens of women? i don't think i've ever seen this level of retardation before and i've been terminally online for over a decade
No. 1950986
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>>1950036I know it might
feel that way because Western woke types have mass media by the balls, but it really isn't. I was doing research on onsens for an upcoming Japan trip, and a lot of the resources online say outright that troons (especially preop ones) are not welcome. They even say it on Reddit, land of the tranny power mods. Only the youngest, most Westaboo retards in non-anglophone cultures cape for troons. Everyone else is either ambivalent or hostile.
No. 1950992
>>1950682>I feel ashamed and kind of disgusted with myself somehow.You should only feel this way if you stayed with them after trooning out, which you didn't. Also, GNC moids are targeted super hard by gendies. There's a Tiktoker called Dejatwo who has had to make a couple of videos about how he's constantly harassed by troons and told that he's an egg just because he's a straight man with long hair. Any guy in that situation who isn't 100% mentally healthy and stable is going to fall
victim to the cult.
No. 1951100
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Nonnas, how do braindead lefties manage to shoehorn in concern for tranny rights on a two page paper about fucking DAOISM?? I'm grading my students' work and… This is (despairingly) not the stupidest thing I have read but we just can't go a day without pandering to some nebulous glass skin tranny, now can we? The gender mafia in academia is truly abysmal.
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>>1951100>shoehorn in concern for tranny rights on a two page paper about fucking DAOISMThat's fucking hilarious oh my god. Next I want someone to insert troon rights into a paper about Archduke Franz Ferdinand.
No. 1951494
>>1951044Most tims troon because they are sexual predators.
Most tifs troon because they're traumatized and
victims of men's sexual violence. We have compassion for the
victims, and plenty of us know they will peak and become terfs/gc.
No. 1951636
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Copium levels out the ass here
No. 1951668
>>1951652> Transphobes will claim that I really only transitioned in order to escape sexism, and to that I will say, yeah, so? It worked! Are you jealous? Do you want to join me?Women are oppressed because they enjoy it. Oppression is a choice. If not, why don’t you just transition? No? So you don’t want to escape sexualization then. You don’t want to join the “liberated”. Woman means oppressed and you still chose to be a woman.
>>1951659> my body felt like it was more my own, rather than an object for men to use—Disgusting misogynists. All of them
No. 1951684
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>>1951677And to think all of this could have been avoided if she stopped caring about what people think. Many such cases.
No. 1951745
>>1951494But the women they hate are also
victims of sexual violence, autistic, cluster b and still didn’t fuck over other women the way they did
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No. 1951809
>>1951677>I want to get railed like a fleshlight and then tucked into bed All this gender back and forth woohoo and this bitch still couldn't address her own internalised misogyny. Disgusting.
Other highlights from this biography include:
>feeling smug when infiltrating gay jack off bars>wanting to be a yaoi gay elfin boy like a fucking Les Mis cosplayer TIF>calling Hannibal and etc "queer men's stories">wanting to be called a faggot by her tiffie friends>being sexually preyed upon by a (probably transbian) TIM holy kek>putting herself down at every corner when imagining what the haters would say>criticising people for calling trannies a cult and then describing how one cannot disagree with the cult or be ostracized>being ostracized by said cult Absolutely zero backbone. I feel sad for her deep down but this one is for the statistics if I dare say so myself.
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looks like the 4chan troons have turned on hunter kek. I don’t like hunter after he posted his agp rape fantasy manifesto to ig, but it’s clear he makes other troons seethe because they’re jealous of his career successes and twink-ish appearance
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>>1951712She is so close to getting it.
No. 1952368
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I don't get why these people would call themselves "safer and more rationale than terfs" when they play the Olympic Victim games like this.
No. 1952432
>>1952123Another thing that shocked me, was that stuff like intermittent fasting isn't good for women either. All the studies were done on men so it's good for them but not for us. Fucks up our hormones and shit. It's crazy.
Even crazier, is how tifs really think they're real fucking men now and are magically spared from the side effects kekkkkk It really is a mental illness, jeez.
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i hate it here
No. 1952653
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>"As someone who lives on the internet for a living"
Really? Do you? Have you skulked through the swamps where the TIMs talk about biohons, girl orgasms, breastfeeding for their own ego, being blatant pedophiles, etc?
I just don't understand what spell Gender Ideology and Troons have these women under, where identifying as a woman suddenly alleviates any and all influence from being male. I'm seriously starting to feel like I'm mad kek
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>>1952627More like "this is my daughter ashley"
No. 1952721
>>1951666'i didn't want to be a socially illegible freak sitting alone at the end of the world'
damn how the self-hatred shines through all this word salad
>>1951898inb4 he suddenly stops getting parts because if he's not getting typecast as 'the passable troon' he has to now compete against authentic female 10/10s who have far more acting experience and are also prettier than him. boy could not just be satisfied with his 15 minutes of fame and asspats.
No. 1952740
>>1952653>is there a problem with meds, casual sex, or consumerism?when it is all that a woman's existence is reduced down to, YES.
the whole rant about sabrina carpenter is ??? irrelevant because she's making the completely unfounded equivalency of 'the same people shitting on DM are the same people praising Sabrina Carpenter, HYPOCRITES MUCH???' no? the same people who are sucking dylan's dick are most likely the same ones who are gagging about how great Sabrina's show is.
she's so bothered and hateful just because too many people peaked due to Dylan's bullshit. the smugness of this bitch idiot, i cannot. god bless all nonas with the mental strength to withstand tiktok handmaidens.
No. 1952868
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>>1952863you’re either baiting, genuinely retarded, or a trolling moid/tranny. enough
No. 1952903
>>1952874I sympathise with TIFs but you are so sensitive. We're not the ones attacking them you idiot, that's the XYs. Anon was simply saying something along the lines of "I wish they had some sense knocked into them."
>>1952868Ily nona. May Chadification reign supreme amongst /m/
No. 1952932
>>1952922>You never bitch slapped another girl in your life? You’ve never thought about slapping or punching or even FIGHTING another girl in your entire life No but topkek. Have you ever done the same to a male? You are vile and schizophrenic. What the fuck is coquette shit and why would you randomly bring that up here? Please go back to your TIF shit slinging misognistic thread. I've been using this site since 2013 and don't call to violence against other women. Internet riddled, brain damage.
>>1952924Is everyone here casual misognists? Kek. A single schizoid woman is not reflective of all women ever menstruating.
No. 1952985
>>1952123I went on twitter recently for the first time in a while and saw some woman venting about periods and hormonal cycle and how men are lucky to not have to deal with all that. Someone replied with "hey, stop generalizing, we men don't have it easy either XD". I immediately clocked her but checked the profile just to be sure and yes, it's a TIF. Then her TIM friend (a personal cow of mine) replied with something like "but.. you're not a
penis owner, right??..". The TIF went "what are you implying??? I am, my penis on HRT is the same as a cis man's penis". After some back-and-forth they both apologized for misunderstanding and called eachother
valid. I haven't laughed like that in a while. Apparently you can just identify out of your physical reality. She's been on HRT for a year and the only visible effect so far is horrible acne. She does not have a fucking penis (an enlarged clitoris at best), her body is still female and always will be. They both know the truth but still choose to entertain a lie.
No. 1953259
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Straight couple protesting the Let women speak event in Edinburgh hapening right now. Good job sexually harassing lesbians and feminists talking about their rights.
No. 1953499
>>1952985I get the impression many TIMs enjoy riling up TIFs and reminding them they’re not really men. They’re still male supremacists even if they pretend to be women (“we (males) are better at being women than cis women are”) and think it’s laughable that a mere ‘femoid’ would aspire to manhood. They’re also upset at TIFs who were attractive girls and “threw that away” as opposed to, idk, making their bodies available for TIMs to inhabit or something.
>>1953259I bet the woman isn’t wearing a mask, even though her boyfriend is, because she thinks she’s more privileged/less at risk than him. It reminds me of the protests at Evergreen College where the activists kept demanding that white allies function as human shields. She leaves herself recognisable so that she will bear the brunt of the backlash and draw attention away from the poor oppressed transbian who is so much more vulnerable than she is uwuwuwu. Meanwhile if shit hits the fan he can simply dye his hair back to brown, take off that choker and go back to being a normal heterosexual man nobody will look twice at.
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Does anyone find it weird how 4chan's /lgbt/ board is like 99% trannies? Like I'm pretty sure in the past lgbt spaces were more about LGB people and not T. Like what the fuck happened.
No. 1954668
I saw this clip from the 2000s Charlie's Angels recently and it just reaffirms what that CIA lady said about how much easier it is to dress a woman up like a man compared to vice versa. At uni I was in a computer lab with a troon and it was so funny to see this hulking guy dressed in a pink girly dress literally stomping around with no self awareness, total opposite of women always trying to be as quiet and presentable as possible. It's too bad so many women are okay with screwing their bodies up with testosterone when they'll always be better than men at cross dressing and androgyny
>>1954358I would assume most gay men hide out in /y/ or /hm/, and gay women who know better would avoid 4chan entirely
No. 1955051
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>>1953519Yes, the post you're responding to is a very good example of this type of person. I always wish I'd taken more screencaps of the insanity but I saw a lot of this on tumblr during the covid era (I'm sure it's still out there I just don't have tumblr anymore). Usually bisexual women but I did see a few that exclusively dated TIMs so I'm forced to conclude they were straight. Most of them were very feminine, gender-conforming women and all of them were the faux historian, queer academic type. It was actually kind of eerie because you'd see them wearing vintage protest pins or carrying a labrys flag at pride, or they'd be sharing black and white photos of gay rights demonstrations, pdfs from defunct lesbian zines, stuff like that. They'd go to such lengths to look legitimate but still have a boyfriend and simp for men at the end of the day. Most identified as femme and used they or they/she pronouns, wore alternative fashion, had a heavy social media presence and used it as a form of activism to share donation posts and manifestos from troids about the evils of transmisogyny-exempt females and the subtle racism of being a homosexual. I have no idea how large this demographic is or if I just happened to stumble upon a particularly obnoxious pocket of people, but they're out there. They're probably still infesting the lesbian feminist tags to this day (and god help you if they notice one of your posts).
No. 1955508
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Yesterday and today I had my first irl encounters with local TiFs. It was shocking because the two TiFs I met were similar enough as to be interchangeable- I confused the two of them at one point- and because this was a nerdy event in Latin America, which attests how quickly anglo phenomena trickle down here where they're imitated, especially considering how misogynistic every country here is.
Anyway, I'm not the tallest woman ever and latinos are shorter than murcians and euros as-is, but this absolute womanlet was wearing Converse shoes with integrated platforms, and she was still shorter than me. These shoes were the only difference between both TiFs. Both were shorter than me, light skinned, and fat. Both were wearing autism paraphernalia (the sunflower lanyard, and a handful stimming toys hanging from it). I could see the binder lines beneath their button-up shirts, and converse-chan's binder fabric was actually visible through her shirt, it had some sort of cutesy print, though I never got close enough to see what. Converse-chan also hit me with testosterone frog voice. I don't know if LatAm has finally imported the broken scam that is transgender medicine, or if these TiFs are anglicised and ergo rich like most latin american SJWs are, since most queer theory is luxury beliefs and I was in a rather affluent area, so they just get USA bathtub hormones. Both of them had short, incredibly greasy looking hair. I don't know why, they didn't smell, but trannies of both sexes always look unwashed. They were in a group. Converse-chan also had a cane that I noticed she was using improperly so it was probably not giving her any support at all, and TiF B was wearing tranny and nb flag pins in her autism lanyard. It was seriously like a bingo of stereotypes, which is why I'm screaming about it on lolcor- I thought these were made up or an invention of tiktok, seeing one IRL speaking in spanish has me tripped the fuck out.
I also saw more than one theyfab; girly girls with trans and non binary pins. Always in groups of two or three and always wearing feminine alt clothing. One had a shaved head and everyone referred to her as "egg" (in spanish), so she had the stereotypical object-name convention.
Again, I can't believe I am seeing these specimens IRL in my local gatherings. It blackpills me like nothing.
What are your experiences of gendies in unusual places, or your first wild TiP encounter?
No. 1955701
>>1955508I had a troon encounter in rural LatAm. I was wearing the most boring clothes imaginable after a long day of being out in the sun so I was caked in dust and looked like a lobster. Tranny moid behind the till at the shop I went to for ice cream had acrylic claws, terrible makeup, disgusting TIM clothes that didn't fit his hulking moid frame. He glared daggers at me the entire time and kept making passive aggressive comments, the sort of bitchy shit men think women talk about. I was very normal and nice to him back. The other moid behind the till clearly thought this was hilarious and kept making little jabs at 'her' every time I spoke. It was extremely surreal.
I had lots of tranny encounters in London and most of them were LatAm trannies. Every single one was absolutely disgusting. Greasy hair, shitty see through clothes that reeked, pit stains, speshul lanyards, denim vests with 500 pins, shitty rainby hair, old man faces on the TIFs and TIMs alike. Not a single one of them came close to passing. One TIF kept staring at everyone with this huge grin on her face and had bandages under her shirt, she was obviously looking for asspats on her tit chop. Staring at total strangers on the street like a lunatic is a great way to make them want to talk to you, apparently.
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>>1955508I
heard TIFs at a comic convention in September. I heard this couple of absolutely pathetic frog voices but I didn't turn around to stare. My friend actually saw them and confirmed they were "gay trans men" with shitty HRT beards and that could barely pass.
Last month I also saw one as a waitress and one as a cashier. The waitress almost fooled me because she nailed the alt nerd boy look around these parts, until I heard her speak (girly ass voice) and also she wasn't binding her chest.
The cashier looked like a stereotypical lesbian but I still got straight girl LARPing as gay man vibes from her, since that seems to be the most common type of TIF around my parts (my friend also met a TIF and she was a western slash fujo).
Both of them had visible tattoos so I imagine they were both LARPing as gay mem.
10+ years ago I saw a well kept 2 meters tall TIM who dressed like an expensive barbie and even had a chihuahua inside his pink purse. Genuinely though I still don't know if it was a gay TIM or just a weird gay male crossdresser. But aside from that, I only saw a hipster man in a dress this summer.
Tbh the fact that I saw far more TIFs in the span of 7~8 months than TIMs in my lifetime feels like proof that this is a social contagion and that weird, nerdy, alt women are its main
victims.
No. 1955886
>>1955051Oh nona. This type of queer historian was already a problem on bi/lesbian tumblr 10 years ago. If it weren't for normie lesbian celeb blogs and terfy 'lesbian art' accounts, they would have completely ruined that side of the site. I've come to realize it's an especially weird iteration of polilezzies. They've just decided to butcher butchfemme culture instead and are way more navel-gazing and prone to queer word vomit. (To this day the words 'butch/femme' make me cringe a little, i still associate them with 30yo tumblrinas in cheap BDSM gear). They don't even have to LARP as gay or go near a vagina like their predecessors, as dating a 'transbian' allows them to have a boyfriend
and hollowed-out lesbian aesthetics. It was so frustrating being around these types. They'd repeat 2nd wave
terf points (never directly mentioning them) but twist those same points to defend TiMs. I kept up with that sphere simply because the mental gymnastics were too fun to watch. And they'd go on and on about the sacred wombyn-only commune, only to be surrounded by run-of-the-mill creepy TiMs. I've avoided them for years so i had no idea what they've become, thank you for the nostalgia kek
No. 1955984
>>1955508My first encounter with troons was in highschool it was three of them, a tif and tim that were younger than me and a tif that was older than me. Both tifs weirdly went by the same name, finley (or some variation of it), despite not meeting each other until that year and this was 2018 in rural bumfuck nowhere so if any nonna has some insight on that. Anyway, they were all bullied in some way, shape, or form for being troons. The older tif was isolated by her peers and wouldn't change in the girls' locker room for PE
I don't think she changed with the boys though so a lot of rumors about her spread and the guys made fun of her. I'm 80% sure she was autistic in some way. I'm not entirely sure what bullying the younger tif went through and I only vaguely remember actually talking to her for a school thing, but I do remember a few guys that made fun of her while eavesdropping in the lunch room. As for the tim, he's the one I had the least amount of contact with and I know this guy was bullied because his tra friends mentioned it. And it all boiled down to the fact that he was a troon, had greasy yet fried hair, and literally had chin pubes that he refused to shave.
No. 1955990
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Imagine trying to lecture people on how medical misogyny is actually woke, while calling yourself “yaoiboypussy”
No. 1956026
>>1955990>>1956006>person who can give birth>person with birthing potentialimagine getting called that shit as an infertile woman holy fuck.
and then they will turn around and say le ebil terfs reduce women to their reproductive organs and view them as babymaking machines. tranny logic
No. 1956053
>>1956029This is why they insist on blocking and reporting anything remotely terfy and constantly remind each other to never ever ever interact with any terves lest something we say makes too much sense and might rub off on them. I love those screenshots where TRAs admit that
terf arguments are well-reasoned, logical and articulate but then follow that up with “but that’s their trick to lure you in so don’t fall for it!”. Damn those feminists and their
logic!
Meanwhile the gc side actively encourages people to go read what TRAs are saying, especially amongst themselves. Nobody worries about sane people being converted into TRAs by reading r/MtF or Andrea Long Chu’s writings. Being exposed to the trans community is what peaked me in the first place.
No. 1956079
>>1955508They're fucking everywhere in my city. Mostly I see tifs but I also see tims and they are nearly always massive agp "lesbians" who are either way too friendly or super aggressive and cold.
>>1955886Ayrt, you're welcome and I'm sorry lol because I hate thinking about that time. I wanted to participate in lesbian spaces/discussions but it was impossible without running into these people and they just wouldn't let you fucking talk unless you kissed troon ass while you did it. It was hard to separate the real from the fake. Generally it seemed safe to follow gnc women or women who were already in relationships with other women but every day there was new drama and call out posts. The butch/femme thing, oh my god. Completely ruined those words for me. And you're right it is just a new form of political lesbianism on steroids. It's never been more easy to call yourself something you're not.
No. 1956136
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Just date other gay men.
No. 1956242
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This shit is public. This fucker is not a hidden identity on some obscure blog. His book is published. His book is accessible. His words can be read anywhere.
When I think about handmaidens, I think about this quote of Andrea Long Chu and then ask myself why would they defend this shit.
No. 1956243
>>1956136"I'm tired of being seen as a fetish"
My brother in christ, you view yourself as a fetish
No. 1956256
>>1953519The women that go after TIMs are usually enbies/TIFs themselves, or were dating him before transition.
However, I've seen a few cases of pickmes that want to look so woke and "holier than thou" that they claim they're pansexual and will date a TIM. It's a status thing in dumbass circles. It's like their version of charity. Very rare but I've seen it happen. Yet even those pickmes aren't going after the TIMs that have rotting holes, they stick with the ones that still have a penis in tact, even if pathetically flaccid.
No. 1956263
>>1956252DA. I agree most handmaidens might not be familiar with his actual writings, but Andrea Long Chu is a hugely cited troon who has been invited to speak before TRAs many times. I think TRAs engage with this kind of troon all the time, they just don’t realize the depths of their degeneracy. Unfortunately, once you enter academic spaces, it’s all out in the open. Queer theory, thanks to the likes of Judith Butler, has destroyed western universities such that debauchery is applauded as “revolutionary.”
>Inb4 the tradthot accusationsI’m bisexual and obviously in favor of investigating prejudices against SSA, but queer theory, which is centered on “queering” normative boundaries, lumps all kinds of sexual deviancy, such as transvestism and even pedophilia, together in a way I find frankly disgusting, homophobic, and regressive
No. 1956293
>>1956259>tucute>dysphoria>women is when shaved legs and long hairsounds like you're a trutrans tif trying to larp as a
terf kek
No. 1956320
>>1956263i agree with what
>>1956293 said, but you do kind of have a point - the xenogender yaoi mlm femboy tifs are usually closer to peaking than the "true trans" tifs are. i've noticed a lot of the former types tend to bring up ideas and arguments that are very close to gender abolition and radical feminist ideology, but instead of making the connection, they instead use those arguments to justify their own gender retardation. the trutranny ones (in my experience), despite sometimes acknowledging their actual sex, play heavily into gender roles and are usually far more dead set on the whole ideology seeing as they're willing to become a lifelong medical patient just to become "a true male".
No. 1956364
>>1956293Sorry, buzzwords are habit cause I’m a former gendie, I haven’t stopped drinking the kool aid long enough to know what they’re really supposed to be called. I feel like the a “totally real boy cause I’m not like the other gendies” and “I’m a kawaii space prince and I love my boy pussy” are very different breeds of Aiden.
But the “girl is when shaved legs and long hair” was supposed to be how
they think, not what
I think. They believe that being a boy is short hair, baggy clothes and leg hair. “Detransitioning” from that phase is easy, because all of those things will heal or can be reversed. If Tif wants to “go back to girl” or her idea of girl, she can. A “true and real” Aiden who’s been on testosterone for 5 years can’t undo the effects. Guess it’s kinda hard to convey tone over text
No. 1956398
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men who are too openly supportive of TIMs and TIFs are either gay/bi and or pedophiles.
No. 1956479
>>1955508The first tif i ever met was my next door neighbour. She was a
victim of the butch lesbian genocide and it's painful to see how she went from a good looking charismatic gnc woman to a shy frail failed attempt of a man. I hope she changed her mind. The most recent one was in hot topic and she scared the shit out of me. She was wearing a transparent top with her top scars on full display, it was grim and terrifying. She was fully clockable, the stereotypical fake boi you find in the tif thread. Tifs are definitely less in numbers, but they benefit from mostly passing, so maybe i have seen some more and haven't noticed. The two most recent tims i saw were textbook autogynophiles that you see on the mtf subreddit. One was in my chemistry class, made zero attempts to pass aside from wearing pink here and there, men's clothes, kek. He was HUGE too, he could have knocked me the fuck out in one punch if he wanted to. The other was a random on the streets wearing a short tennis skirt and was very skinny and gross looking, clearly larping as an anime school girl. There was one i always used to see in planet fitness. Ngl, but where i live is a hotspot for troons in general, but i still got shocked when i see them, but i feel like hsts even if they don't pass very well don't shock me too much. It's probably because there's a high influx of faggy men where i live and i automatically put them in the gay catergory and move on with my day.
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No. 1956585
>>1955508my first encounter would've been in high school, stereotypical tumblr activist TIF with the deeply unpleasant and condescending personality to match. to give you an idea: she laughed at me for nothing less than a full minute when i referred to her as a woman, even though i had absolutely no way of knowing about her precious nonbinary identity. definitely the type of troon to get off on the social control aspect, and on making even well-intentioned people feel like retards.
my most recent is also a TIF who sometimes sits next to me in class. she actually passes as some sort of redditbro at first glance, but her voice gives her away completely. hell, it's more feminine than my voice. uncanny valley. i do see TIMs around too, but i try to avoid acknowledging them for my own sanity.
No. 1956658
>>1955817I live in the major city up north and the amount of trannies here is somewhat astonishing, I see them all the time at my retail job. There’s also a fair amount of pandering like events and social groups for women and girls being for ‘Girls/Women and non-binary people’ lol. Although I have also seen a fair amount of ladies wearing ‘Woman = Adult Human Female’ t-shirts and even one wearing a tank top with ‘
TERF’ emblazoned across it, so it’s not all bad.
No. 1956900
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Oh hey what a shock
No. 1957160
>>1957088I also think so, the girls that will detrans will have to deal with so much shit, as if they surely didn't have to deal with any annoying shit as trannies.
Like, let's be real, they're still being treated like women, even the extremely photoshoped ones, so I can't even begin to imagine the guilt they will feel once they stop being trannies, which means they will surely go for whatever self harm methods they can find.
I wonder though, what will be the next big fad?
No. 1957354
>>1957077Well when TiFs detrans I really hope they have found a feminist support system, they can either learn radical self acceptance, or they’ll probably end up plastic surgery addicts and drug abusers.
>>1957199I can relate. Even though I was aware of sex-based discrimination, even though I hated HATED my body, I had a bunch of puberty related phobias, I never had an issue with my femaleness despite GNC presenting most of my life, it wasn’t even a thing I ever thought about. But then again I didn’t have a bunch of adults in my ears convincing me I’m an unhatched troon, convincing me that transitioning will save me.
There is surely a certain degree of mental suggestibility, you can say intelligence, and total disregard/disconnection to one’s physical body that work in tandem to make some people fall for cults and religions.
No. 1957454
>>1957354yes being a child and constantly told you should troon out and being peer pressured is probably much worse, since kids are more susceptible to believing whatever adults tell them and more impressionable. i was first exposed to this in my late teens which maybe helped in comparison with having it shoved down your throat as soon as you leave the womb. but then i see adults or people way older than that still fall for this now and i start questioning this line of thinking all over again. i also try to think back to things i was peer pressured about when i was a kid, how people around me pressured me into doing the "cool thing" (partying, drinking, having sex with random guys, drugs), but i still never gave in. considering trans is the current "cool thing" and requires you to have more of a group mentality and fumble more under that type of pressure, it kind of makes sense i wouldnt fall for it if i also didnt fall for the other things and just accepted my status as an outcast. enjoying seeing the different perspectives on this
>>1957388i learned it from tumblr too, i dont think you were dumb honestly its a pretty stupid concept
>>1957426very true and i do believe thats also a factor, having more of an instinct of self preservation and knowing if you cut your genitals off, take hormones, etc it would just fuck you up no matter how safe people say it is. and when you think about it its kind of messed up that so many people seem to lack this basic survival instinct and ability to make decisions to preserve you and your life over whatever trendy potentially harmful bullshit is pushed onto you
No. 1957456
>>1957077>Actual question: in 10 years, do you think that tifs are gonna regret their choices?The vast majority, yes. And that's if they survive, the medical consequences of trooning out are big and as they age they'll keep getting worse. Do most of them even know they HAVE TO get a hysterectomy after a few years on T or they might literally fucking die? They can't just go "teehee im an enby non-woman with a beard who takes t shots but can still be a sea-horse enby parent one day uwu" like they imagine they can.
Once they realize "not ever wanting to be a mom" at 22 usually doesn't feel the same at 32, once they realize signing up to being a life long medical patient after having been fully healthy is NOT desirable, once they realize men still treat them like women and they never fooled anyone, once they see how the only fellow tifs left who haven't detransed yet are batshit crazy and delusional…
No. 1957469
>>1957426Imho IQ isn't part of it. There are low IQ people who troon, and there are high IQ who troon. It's easy to say "they're not smart since they trooned out to begin with" but I don't think that's it, a lot of them are high IQ bordering on autistic. It's pretty equally likely to find a basement dweller troon as a successful programmer troon it seems.
However I think a mentality of not questioning things is part of it. Often troons come from religious families, even if they reject the religion itself they grew up being taught that "God said so: therefor it is so. Stop asking about it.". So when trans people say they are real men/women, it's natural for them to just agree - it becomes their new religion, but they of course can't see it themselves. Compare it to how people who escape a cult often end up in another cult. People are accidentally drawn to the one thing they know, even when they know the first cult was bad and hurt them they miss all the obvious signs of the next one!
Another part is the strong sense of wanting to be in-group, which also promotes "do not question the group or you get kicked out". The only people who peak are the curious ones who decided to question it all - that questioning in itself was the only difference (and that questioning is framed as harmful and transphobic in of itself to keep people trapped).
No. 1957729
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>>1956242You made me remember that review of "Manhood" written by a tranny.
Spoiler: Is exactly like a book written by a moid's penis would be.
No. 1957746
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I never recognized it often until I started doing a little more research outside of my social bubble, but seeing it for what it is now its almost infuriating seeing the amount of grooming that goes on in western communities with troons trying to convert people.
I hate that the trans rights movement was something I grew up with online throughout my teen and early adult years so i'll always have these weird thoughts that im nonbinary or some dumb shit like that given these fuckers are everywhere in the hobbies I care about shoving their ideology down everyone's throat.
sometimes i wish i was still that stupid tumblr girl that accepted everything without questioning it and tried on/off a bunch of stupid labels like they had no significance to real suffering people.
No. 1957748
Something I just thought about while playing a silly game is that it's really tiresome how even if you don't really want to, you end up learning about randos that are literal who's.
Like this whole gender stuff is also some sort of way to force people to interact you and know you, because like it or not, the brains of normal and even other gendercultists will have to go like this
>this is some enby retard
>either male or female
>picks retarded name and pronouns based on whatever obvious hobbies
>surely mentally ill because of some reason
Which is funny because when you see a woman or a man on the internet, irl or whatever you just think
>male or female
>safe or not safe
That's it, it's only if you really, really, really want to know that person that you actually detail them, otherwise you don't waste more than a second acknowledging their presence.
Which leads me to think about all of the seconds you would need to waste during an emergency, like on some dumbass video I saw a while ago. It's a police officer helping someone who needs help during an emergency, but the victim begins to describe the pronouns, the aspect while not trying to be ~fatphobic~, racist or ~twansphobique~ and those are precious seconds wasted on learning about some piece of shit criminal that could be doing something heinous.
And yeah, you can describe someone without insulting that person, but you don't need to coddle every single being in the world.
I also thought about how do you even work during an emergency while searching for some lost person during a catastrophic event, like an earthquake or a tsunami, or how do you take care of someone as a medic during an emergency or knowing that an emergency can just suddenly appear.
I think lots of people don't seem to understand that sometimes every second counts, and this may sound like some schizo copy-pasta I guess, but I think it's honestly concerning how the ideal world for those into gender woowoo shit, is a place where you must always use the preferred terms for each person even if that person isn't in an earshot to know that you're talking about them.
I can't help but wonder, how do you even search for an enby literal child
>oh yeah, their name is bookshelf, they wear gender neutral clothes, their hair is short and brunette, their eyes are blue and they have a light complexion, they're a minor presenting person btw!
I guess? Would that even work at all? Could a police officer or firefighter be able to find someone that's been described that way?
No. 1957915
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>>1957199>>1957388Can relate. I was always GNC and during puberty I had quite bad body dysmorphia and mental health issues, but I never trooned out even if the concept was there when I was a teenager. I even wished I could get a mastectomy (Why though? I have always been flat like a board.) I think what might've happened was that I went a full circle and NLOGged my way out of troonism. I always knew TIFs were actually girls and I saw them as that, so by being just a masculine woman I could be "not like the other girls" who trooned out, lmao. I even remember sitting at class next to a tif at high school and feeling so smug when she would meekly ask the teacher to use her preferred name, and when my (regular female) name was called out and I answered, the teacher was confused at first because he had mistaken me for a boy. Childish in hindsight but at least I didn't troon out.
No. 1958014
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I always found it very interesting how TRAs will use animals (typically non-mammalian) to justify the existance of TIPs as being natural- like clown fish being able to change sex (they ommit that they can't change back) or animals with severe hormonal issues- all while calling their neutered dog or cat a male. They can acknowledge the physical differences between a male and female animal even if both were desexed at the exact same time, even though by their logic both should be some flavour of non-binary. Anyways, the "muh animal biology" argument they stole from gay rights activists is just another example of contradictory gotchas.
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>>1958014Speaking of, are female animals ever even referred to as "uterus havers"? Technically all animals are "agender" since they lack the human concept of gender anyway.
No. 1958060
>>1956567note how the only titles that she rejects are "woman" and "wife"— perfectly playing into the dehumanization of adult women and ostracizing them as society always has.
stupid NLOG: "i'm not a woman or a wife!!! i have complex thoughts and feelings and sometimes get my pants dirty!! could a woman do THAT!? don't think so!!!!"
No. 1958152
>>1958133Ayrt, I see where you’re coming from, but I also think as long as the social construct of gender is firmly fixed in our culture, terms like gnc are relevant and helpful to navigate the ways in which gnc individuals
are still ostracized for not conforming. When I was a teen on tumblr, I seriously questioned if I was an “enby” myself since I was a ssa tomboy, but thankfully I never trooned out and learning that it’s ok to just be a gnc woman really helped with that
No. 1958156
There's this tif I know that went in this cycle.
>Break up with boyfriend
>Claims to be a lesbian because men bad, not because she loves pussy
>I hate sexism so I'm nb now, masc leaning
>Omg but if I'm masc and I like women does this mean that..I'm…straight???
>Call herself queer
>Lusting over fictional men and ugly moids, if questioned about her supposed attraction to women she replies "Well, I'm a masc now so if I like dudes I'm still gay you moron!"
>Of course not on t, of course never touched a pussy, of course is into alt fashion, of course doesn't pass at all, of course more feminine than regular girls, one step away from being a bimbo but with a binder because muh dysphoria! I have dysphoria! This means I'm totally a dude!
>The dysphoria goes away if a pretty dress has a cute bustier detail/she needs to be slutty at "queer" parties.
What I hate about this ideology is that it's rooted in oppression and they have to check all the oppression boxes for maximum Good Tranny Points.
How can I be oppressed if I don't like regular men and I have a weird type of men? Straight is ebil and bad, so let's call myself an enby,
How can I be oppressed if I don't look like a man, I don't want to look like a man and I still want to express my femininity and I don't wanna fall in the boring gender stereotype? I'll call myself a dude.
Why do they even do it? For online attention? They're always screaming "NORMALIZE!!" but they fail to realize that if this shit gets actually normalized, it would get boring and no one will give them attention because it will be normal, thus not impressive, thus no one will go gasp if you claim to be a man in a lolita dress.
They deep down want to say "CELEBRATE US!" but they know that they will look shallow and hypocrite, even if they are and normal people know. What I hate is that they formed themselves a bubble into a bubble, meaning that they perform homosexuality, they aren't homosexual. They like to shout QUEER RIGHTS! but they don't know what "our" rights are (I don't like to call me queer but I'm bi).
And I also hate that for being agaisnt binarisms, they sure made a new binary with "binary and nonbinary people" and "straight and queer people", making black and white spaces. They dream of being a little queer family without knowing that they can't married here, they can't adopt here and such and we bi and lesbian women are being seen as gatekeeping when we actually focus on actual problems. When we go down in the streets, we want actual rights, like wedding and adopting, when they go to pride parades they just want an excuses to be nasty in public and rave and I hate that we went back 20 years because of them, just when we were starting to get a little decent treatment in our country, this fake activism came, gobbled us with them and then painted us as shallow, promiscuous and annoying people. Sigh.
No. 1958172
>>1955051I live in a conservative state and most "queer/lesbian" women are like this. It makes me bitter how lesbian communities being destroyed in the 2010s is solely blamed on TIMs infesting them, but in my experience it was mostly-OSA bi women who brought them in. Even among my "genderqueer"/tranny friends at the time in the late-2000s/early 2010s I was allowed to talk about not liking penis or call out fake lesbians/LUGs, but then I shortly had to deal with "sapphic/wlw" bi women interjecting with "equating lesbian with vagina is cissexist, transgirls are girls too! Don't be exclusionary! I can still have PIV and be in a lesbian relationship, you
TERF!" My gendie sister is bisexual with a boyfriend (not a troon, thankfully, he's a normie centrist) and also vocally supports TIMs. I miss when bi women just became normies married to men after they left their "lesbian phase in college", now they marry men in lipstick and claim to be butch-femme historians.
No. 1958453
>>1957199you werent far gone yet and probably had women outside of the internet to observe and learn from.
Gotta admit I was in the same position as you with a bunch of TRA friends and growing up on tumblr/twitter fandom discourse, but because I had a family that's full of realists, and I grew up mainly around women (outside of my grandfather, uncle, and dad everyone in my family that I can see on a daily basis are women) I never fully trooned out aside from changing my pronouns for a month or so online.
It helps that I was able to see different ways that women can live and that theres not one true way to be one.
If you had continued isolating yourself with these "friends" or even consumed media that glorified this gender nonsense you probably wouldve trooned out eventually. You do become the company that you decide to keep around you.
No. 1958552
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>>1957748>you must always use the preferred terms for each person even if that person isn't in an earshot to know that you're talking about them.They want us to police our own thoughts, it's creepy. Picrel is from me arguing with google gemini about gender ideology. I know it's not really intelligent but it was trained on gender ideology and it gives responses similar to a TRA. Try it, it's fun, kek
No. 1959172
>>1959144This is so based and should be a poster.
It makes me sick how one gay guy in my department is the biggest shill of trannies. Why can't he see that following tranny logic he'd be forced to change into a woman because he's effeminate and thus "feels like a girl"???
No. 1959210
>>1959178>>1959182Typo, I'm retarded.
I was writing "Lgb people say that conversion therapy is bad, t says it's harmless and see above what includes"
No. 1959218
>>1959144as far as im concerned its already cut off from LGB and its just a loud minority of troony toons screaming that we have to keep them in the group so they can have a constant source of validation. theyre just a bunch of narcissists that the sooner they start dropping the better.
I feel bad for genuine trans people that just want to keep to themselves that are having these AGP trendhoppers join in and ruin their image just for cheap adoration.
No. 1959226
>>1959216We don't need many words to separate the T.
LGB is about attraction, love, sex, family and rights for people who love the same people. It's about love and attraction.
T is none of that, they only jumped on the lgb leg like a tick to get a crumb of oppression so they can be justified for being total piece of shit. What is T about? Hormones so medicines? Free medicines? Free surgery? Free putting on makeup? Free mutilation? Their focus is themselves, where LGB the focus is the respect for all people. Go to a pride parade and see the difference in the protests, LGB are well spoken (most of them, we know that faggots like to scream but oh well as long they don't touch children and themselves in public they're fine) meanwhile T go around shirtless, scream, call each other name, are also kinksters (read: fetishists) and only want attention
>>1959218>genuine trans peopleThere's no such thing because being trans is not a genuine thing. Troonism is either self harm, fetish or body dysmorphia. Peak nona, you can.
No. 1959230
>>1959213Only one of the brothers was "raised as a girl" after a botched circumcision, IIRC he couldn't even go to the bathroom properly, and both brothers were horrifically sexually abused. I've seen truscum troons citing this case as an argument
against gender criticism and "proof that gender identity is innate" since "David killed himself because he was raised as a girl despite having a male brain" and therefore treating trannies as their birth sex as opposed to their "gender identities" is the same thing.
>>1959216They do not but the reason why the T was added in the first place was the self-hating gay people who insisted on LARPing as straight people of the opposite sex and others validating their self-hating delusion because they were feeling bad for them. The other LGB people should have put their foot down and given them an ultimatum from the start: either accept that you're just a gay/bi person like the rest of us or go and live as a "straight" person, but do not expect the rest of us to care anymore since you're "straight".
No. 1959239
>>1959230>self-hating gay peopleit's always the faggots, goddamn.
that's why drag should be considered troonism. People that love drag, usually say "Drag is art! Is fashion!"
Where is art? The "art" of skinwalking women? The art of making a caricature of them? The art of acting like a pornified version of them? Where is the
art?
"Fashion, self expression!"
I get that most stylists and fashion designers are faggots because women aren't seen enough in the fashion industry, but where is the fashion? Dressing up as a woman? So women are skimpy clothes and heavy makeup?
Most of the women aren't like that. I never saw a woman (that wasn't a pickme ofc) that acted and dressed the way draggies do. It's a fantasy and they project it on the others. You know who said that women needed to be always pretty, with makeup on? MEN. It's all about them. It comes full circle, faggots and tims are cosplaying a male fantasy and the male in them fucking shows that. Horrid.
I know that this takes a bit to get to, but I hope that current handmaiden wakeup and the new generation starts to wake up a little. Men came to women, told them what femininity is, got mad when women don't fall for it, cosplay it themselves so at least they are their object of desires. Losers of the losers.
The take on TIFs is different but ultimately leads to this: tifs are thinking that if they don't like pink and skirt go spinny, then they're men and I know this stands on mento illness but this is a problem they create themselves and I kek everytime a tim regrets their hole. serves them right.
No. 1959246
>>1959243"Gender parody!"
Why would you that lol you creep. It's like saying race parody, how come people are (rightfully) against blackface but womanface is totally fine?
No. 1959248
>>1959239I feel like 'campy' drag is partly a defense against hostile conforming men ('i'm womanly…as a joke!', also see how straight men are ok with crossdressing for 'humor'). But even with this charitable view, you can't brush away the irony of fem gay men despising women while building an entire career on impersonating them. I don't buy the 'subversion' of it. I hate when they try to make it sound like a philosophical/activist thing when it's just a culturally accepted bubble for feminine gay men. Well, they're losing approval with the troon shilling and occasional pedos in drag.
Overall, it boggles me how women uncritically eat this shit up. No amount of fun drag shows and nice looks can cover up the deep-seated jealousy and bitterness some of these gay men have for us. It's so funny when it comes out because they'll just burst with repressed bitter rage, as if they had a chance with straight men to begin with kek
No. 1959251
>>1959218>as far as im concerned its already cut off from LGB and its just a loud minority of troony toons screaming that we have to keep them in the group so they can have a constant source of validation.That's not even true, where I live the news is constantly talking about "LGBTQ", "gay
and transgender" and "transkids" like it's something inborn like being gay. Even the rainbow flag with the trans triangle is plastered over merchandise. My parents are normie liberals and they're starting to buy into this because they think it's associated with me and their gay friends they knew growing up. If I try to find a local group for bisexual/lesbian women, it explicitly includes "queer/trans" and is crawling with them.
>I feel bad for genuine trans people that just want to keep to themselves that are having these AGP trendhoppers join in and ruin their image just for cheap adoration.I don't believe in "genuine trans people" because I haven't seen real proof of brain sex or someone can be born in the wrong body (I used to be a hardcore transmedicalist before I found out about detransitioners, FYI), but not gonna lie I'm starting to resent the "sane trannies that don't believe in TRA ideology" or the ones who transitioned for non-fetish reasons (autism, homosexuality, trauma) and didn't detrans because how many of them end up laying low and avoiding it when it suits them. When I was a radfem that was mostly trans-neutral I rolled my eyes at the claim that "most transpeople want to live as the other gender peacefully and don't agree with this" - okay, where are they? Besides the obvious conservative grifters like Blaire White and Buck Angel?
No. 1959265
>>1959218>as far as im concerned its already cut off from LGB and its just a loud minority of troony toons screaming Troons are making laws to force themselves into women only spaces. Lockers, sports, gyms, etc. There is no loud minority. They are loud and clear about wanting to make life harder for women. Look at Canada, france, sweden, germany, all troon loving places. The women there have is bad because of troons.
Despite the fact that JKR's Harry potter world and Hogwarts legacy is still immensely popular, there was still loud about boycotting her game and parks, sending death threats etc. I wish you were right and it was a loud minority, but even the politicians are bending their knee, making women's restrooms into unisex bathrooms. We all know what that means. I hate seeing 'all gender bathroom' signs in certain places. I went to a gaming convention a few months ago and there were no gendered bathrooms, so a man could walk in at anytime in the women's bathroom. It was disgusting and uncomfortable.
No. 1959504
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I've never seen someone this close to peaking in this wild before. Like this person was practically mid-peak as she wrote this and you can feel it
No. 1959729
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this is from the front page of the plos one website, the incongruity of the last sentence with the name of the image is cracking me up
No. 1959848
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Trannies have a "JKR is trans" headcanon now
No. 1959854
>>1959848lmfao
what the hell is their reasoning for this, a woman speaks her mind and is dedicated to a cause so she must be a man?
No. 1959862
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>>1959848Trannies are so unoriginal. Faggots already made the hilarious copium of claiming/thinking that raging homophobes must be gay themselves. Now trannies are copying that by trying to claim that "transphobes" are somehow trannies themselves? They can never have JK Rowling, but boy do they fuckin'
wish.
No. 1959941
>>1959848Does anyone else's skin crawl that they insist that everyone against them must be a covert troon? Not only does it make a mockery of the lgb community, who actually can make a small case about homophobes being covert homosexuals, granted this is probably 1% of homophobes, but it also mocks why someone would be so stuck in the closet in the first place. I don't think a closeted troon can exist. Everyone has thought about what it would be like as the opposite sex at least once in their lives, who is to say that having such thoughts wouldn't count as having repressed gender by their logic? The barrier for being a troon is higher than for being gay, being that the only way that you can be validated as trans is if everyone around you plays along with your delusion. When it comes to being homosexual, everyone can deny it as much as they want or express distaste for it, you can be alone in the forest with nobody to validate you, it won't change your orientation. The concept of someone repressing a delusional thought being a bad thing is insane. I some sense, they are cursing you when they hope that you eventually "break your egg" and travel down the path of endless delusion, physical torture and deceit. Being trans and a trans supporter is more like being a religion at this point.
Terf and infidel hardly have separate meanings in their ideology.
No. 1959953
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>>1959848Rowling: using a male pseudonym because her editor told her that a book written by a woman wouldn't sell well.
These people: She's a TIF since always but she doesn't recognize that yet.
No. 1959965
>>1959960But when there's an
abusive TIM/TIF in the news that groomed kids: "They do not represent us at all! do not compare us to them!"
But all terfs are women that hate tims because they're more women-like than them, right?
No. 1960128
>>1959848I honestly think they're doing it as a "trap", because they want Rowling to go
>"omg I'm not a trans man, stop saying it, it's hurting my feelings to be denied my womanhood" so they can all go
>"ha! don't like having your gender assumed do you? that's what you do to us trans people you hypocrite!!!"These girls don't realize gender isn't real and normal people outside the cult aren't hyper focused on sex stereotypes every second of their day, and they certainly do not pretend those stereotypes are part of their gender-souls. These girls really think gender IS real, so Rowling simply MUST one day realize she has a gender-soul like everyone else, the question is just WHEN she will find gender-jesus and admit to being an evil cis bully.
No. 1960395
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Based
No. 1960469
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Bringing this over here because it’s OT for the MTF thread:
>>>/snow/1984574The whole effeminate crossdressing little boy prostitute is a popular trope with TIF coomers for some reason. It was at the core of Kuroshitsuji/Black Butler (hugely popular with female weebs who later became TIFs) and Fahrlight (pic related, TIF cow on /pt/) also created a graphic novel about this subject called Losing Neverland ostensibly to educate the masses that child sex trafficking is bad, mmkay. She won a prize for it.
I’m surprised this subject doesn’t come up more often because it was a big thing in my days as a teenage weeaboo and nearly everyone I’m aware of who was into this particular fetish trooned out, at even higher rates than regular fujos. You couldn’t swing a yaoi paddle (
I’m kidding don’t come at me) without hitting an au fanfic or doujinshi about Sasuke or Naruto being a crossdressing rent boy who gets saved from that life by the other half of the pairing. When I first came across that JT LeRoy ‘autobiography’ I instantly clocked it as another one of these fanfics, and IIRC the authenticity of the author was still very controversial back then. Has she been claimed as a true and honest trans-girl-boy yet?
No. 1960574
>>1957637i think this is actually a pretty important point and i felt it myself, that it would be entirely pointless to even try to be the other gender or whatever since im not particularly androgynous and would just look like shit and people would just be humoring me at best. i think having this level of self awareness about your looks and how others perceive you probably prevents trooning out
>>1958453i did have women i knew outside of the internet, but at the same time it also fostered this feeling that i was "weird", since a lot of the time it felt like they were judging me for being a weird autist and i struggled to fit in. i wondered what it would be like to be a pretty normal girl and filled the void with things like anime, which kinda reminds me of TIMs and made me feel like i was less of a girl or whatever for liking things aimed at moids like
>>1958312 mentioned. however, since i was still female, i knew things like anime aren't real and being a woman doesn't automatically mean you're living in a happy girly fantasy land. i think going through this experience actually may have made me more resistant to TIM bullshit about how being a girl is
insert girly stereotypes like having sleepovers or whatever other crap and resent them since i knew i never had any of that despite being a woman. they constantly kept claiming i had some sort of "cis" privilege over them and that they were the only ones who missed out on those experiences, that if only they were a woman, they would've had the perfect girly childhood, or whatever. but i
am a woman and i never had any of that shit they fantasize about, so it never made sense to me and i instantly clocked it as retarded.
and since i mentioned anime, it seems like a lot of TIFs troon out partially because of liking yaoi, which i was never particularly fond of either, so that's another factor. something i always found deeply ironic about the yaoi TIFs is that not being into it
is partially what made me feel less like other women around me, as in, i could never relate to their love for it even as a fellow anime autist, and this made me feel bad in a way precisely because i knew it was a female aimed thing. meanwhile, they view
liking it as a sign they're somehow a scrote.
>>1960242maybe, most people i know who trooned out were american
No. 1960589
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>>1960583I used to be into cute crossdressing anime boys as a teen but they were simply called traps/shotas and their fanbases were filled with girls/women and big surprise men used to make fun of us for our interests. even now I think theyre still cute but I refuse to intreract with those fandoms now because theyre filled with nothing but closeted narcissistic moids that cant just admit they like guys in dresses, they have to call them girls etc and come up with weird schizo copes about how theyre not gay. insecure males sure know how to suck the fun out of everything.
No. 1960615
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>>1960595NTA, super feminine/crossdressing characters aren't that uncommon in shojo manga. It's true that the core audience for traps was always hypocritical moids but that word was used for any fem male character, regardless of the media it was in or the way they were written
No. 1960624
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>>1960618women like looking at cute anime boys wearing feminine clothes (for me it was for aesthetic purposes. nothing sexual about it). afaik there was no propoganda, its just a common trope found in anime. cuntboy seems to be a modern day thing tho which you can argue might be from western influences.
>>1960620yeah Astolfo is definitely a character made in mind for moids. There's nothing appealing about him at all to a woman.
No. 1960635
>>1960620Well… yes, i know. Early weeb terminology was weird, i'd see weird edge cases of so-called 'traps' having mostly female fans
>>1960624Astolfo is honestly one of the worst chara designs in anime history kek. He looks deformed
No. 1960778
>>1960469I know this might make some fujos mad (and please, I don't mean offense), but I think the real reason is something everyone has always known. The feminized uke/little boy is just a stand-in for women. Maybe some fujos did meme themselves into becoming pedophiles like
>>1960594 but I think most, like the vast majority of fujos are just using a male figure as a stand-in/
No. 1960845
>>1960817why do you want to "weak underage boys" in sexual scenarios in the first place
>>1960840true, it's getting really difficult to discuss troonism with how butthurt certain fujos seem to get, I don't know if it's a dedicated troll or a super fragile fujo whose just deeply insecure.
No. 1960898
>>1960845Why do I want to what? See weak underage boys? I personally don't like to see them so idk kek
Also to clarify I wasn't mad, I just thought the way you worded your post was funny. You don't need to put "no offense" if you're going to call people pedophiles right after kek
>>1960877Anon is free to think however she wants but one thing I don't agree with is calling little boys women
No. 1960987
>>1960957Why do u like reading Manga that depicts underage boys in sexually suggestive ways? What exactly is the difference between a woman who likes shota and a man who likes loli?
Are they both not pedophiles?
Ur brain is mush
No. 1961108
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can we please go back to the original discussion, there seems to be common paraphilia with certain FTMs and many many MTFs for "feminized young boys" I recall seeing quote by that degen Andrea Long Chu from his book "females" where he takes about this specific fantasy, he's also a big proponent of children getting access to "trans healthcare" to be their real selves.
No. 1961176
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Oh come on. How are people not peaking en masse? I'm tired of being crypto. I wanna shout out my hatred of trannies from the rooftops
No. 1961181
>>1961176I hate that the surgery is gonna keep his dick intact. Should've just gotten the dick stapled or a rotpocket.
>>1961179Julia Vickerman
No. 1961196
>>1961108FTM interest in male crossdressers is imo not sexual, at least not always.
You might have noticed that a lot of FTMs are not particularly masculine or gender non conforming, they're actually quite feminine. Sometimes they will be tomboys and then post transition suddenly develop an interest in lolita fashion.
In trooning out what they're seeking is male status, not the ability to be masculine. I don't think they even really want a male body in a lot of cases like this. They just don't want to be thought of as girls. But their interests are girly and and they don't want to surpress them.
Their obsession with crossdressing boys is basically a way of justifying this. Some boys like girly things so I'm still a boy even if I like them too.
No. 1961359
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>Dykes against transphobia
>checks bio
>trans, cis, and non-binary lesbians who want to have sex with dicklets
It be “straight men and handmaidens against transphobia” They’re saying fuck shit like “lesbians are the most accepting of trans” yeah because you convinced straight/bi girls that they’re lesbians for fucking a man in a dress. Trying so hard not to a-log
No. 1961459
>>1961176Holy shit this story is wild. I can't believe the Canadian government is going to pay for this guy to fly to
Texas to get his penis-preserving vaginoplasty. And he has a reddit post history indicating that he's made himself incontinent and has ibs. And somehow it's ethical to let this guy get a neo-vagina (presumably the colon tissue method) done in another country, then travel back while caring for the wound that's almost certain to get infected? Literally how the fuck have we gotten to this point? It's like medical institutions and governments have just kept saying "yes" to the demands of the most fucked up unhinged people just because gender identity was attached to it, and somehow it lead up to this insane ruling. If stuff like this was more widely reported a lot more people would be shocked by it and peak.
No. 1961753
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I wonder how do intersex people feel about being roped in with LGBTQABCD+ and being used by trannies as an argument to push their ideology. Thoughts?
No. 1961846
>>1961108When it comes to FtMs, i'm not satisfied with partial explanations like 'TiFs project as the fem uke!!' (assumes that women naturally pick the 'submissive' role, and it simplifies the fujoshi 'gaze'). I think TiFs start out like many normal fujos, with an appreciation for the mythical androgynous straight guy that doesn't really exist (as persistent crossdressers are either gay or AGPs). They become fixated on it, because otakus of all stripes are attracted to the artificial/moe. Up until this point, it's pretty typical but then it gets complicated when they adhere to troon ideology. The anime fem guy becomes an 'example' for the young TiF. He's drawn, so it's easier to project onto him, since real feminine gay men are a bitter reminder of objective physical differences (though that doesn't stop TiFs who aren't weebs). The more the TiF adheres to the trans delusion that she may become a boy, the more she relies on 'transing' anime boys. She can still enjoy yaoi in typical ways (identifying with either semes/ukes, or just enjoying the spectacle) but she needs for fiction to support her hopes, as she can't find any actual clue of her supposed male soul in real life. Some TiFs and fujos will indeed fetishize the 'young feminine boy', but it's not the main draw for most of them. I do think that some TiFs
need a young self-insert because they're fascinated with youth and staying neotenous forever (this is also a TiM thing). This is pretty different from autopedophilia as seen in TiMs, or their persistent fantasy of transing younger boys to live vicariously through them. Their erotic materials might seem superficially similar but the way they anchor to reality are quite different. I might be wrong, but i've been immersed in fujo (and TiF) spheres for so long i feel somewhat confident in my conclusions
>>1961753You can tell the intersex are really uncomfortable with this, even the ones who adhere to TRA ideology will pushback against troons using them as shields. I recall one intersex activist complaining about the sheer number of old crossdressers coming to intersex orgs to speak about their 'condition', and how he (?) had to weed them out over and over. They probably don't quite see intersex people as fully human and separate from their wish to become/have sex with a hermaphrodite futa or whatever
No. 1962539
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>Hopefully her children will be better
Hopefully her children will understand to do not hear TRAs or TIMs about women rights.
No. 1963193
>>1963184Pretty sure they only call it "
TERF island" because of JKR and mumsnet.
No. 1963909
>>1963893Some of them brought up statistics about hate crimes from 3rd world countries (mostly HSTS sex workers who lived in poverty in South America or Asia).
Rich USA trannies think these statistics apply to them.
No. 1963965
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TRAs pushing bogus “scientific studies” to fulfill their political agenda is so infuriating to me. Not only is it shit science, TRAs must believe that regularly people are idiots if they can’t see what’s right in front of them. We are a sexually dimorphic species. Anyone can tell. This is not a groundbreaking discovery. Truly cult thinking
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No. 1963970
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>>1963965Even the Telegraph published this follow-up article because the first one (tweet in part 1) was genuinely an embarrassment to journalism and science kek. A “new low” indeed
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No. 1963976
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>>1963970The IOC has been completely bought out by the trans lobby, never mind the discrimination and inequality actual female athletes have to endure. TRAs = MRAs
>The paper said the framework's instruction that federations make "no presumption of advantage" due to an athletes' transgender status ignores the permanent advantage held by anyone who has been through male puberty.(3/4)
No. 1963985
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>>1963976People have fucking eyes. I honestly hope the gender cult continues to make this the hill they die on. They may have successfully brainwashed liberal media and TRAs into believing that “sex” and “gender” are totally complicated, undefinable characteristics, using academic jargon borrowed from queer theory that the average person might not be able to see through. However, this kind of fail science is simply too obvious from the trans lobby
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No. 1964319
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No. 1966073
>>1965416>>1965434>>1965438>>1965560the server is small enough that sharing caps would definitely blow my cover lmao. similarly, a brand new burner account joining would provoke suspicion that it was someone who was already a member.
but also I don't want to give him a single excuse to cry about 'bullying' to other people and victimize himself more. we all know what these types are like - anybody who criticizes them is 'transphobic' even if all that is being said is 'yikes, stop sexualizing minors'…and 'sexualizing' is putting it so mildly considering it's straight-up porn, for fuck's sake.
i have plans for a confrontation but i can't initiate it or else he'll go crybully mode; i have to wait for him to say something egregious (again) first before i jump down his throat, so it's fresh in the collective memory/relevant to the conversation.
it helps that i'm collecting evidence of a pattern of behavior rn, though, so if anyone questions it in the future I can refer back to his previous posts about adolescents.
No. 1966203
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>JK Rowling trending on twitter
>Is it because of her books?
>No, troons posting about how she is a "holocaust denier"
>All she wrote was that gays were targeted by the Nazis, not crossdressers
>Pedo troon draws this comic and gets 22 000 likes
God I fucking hate troons.
No. 1966204
>>1966203Oh my god. Trannies are of actual low intelligence. They are so mentally unsound and unable to properly grasp any lick of how the world works and what's going on, that it's amazing how they're
not officially classified as mentally retarded.
No. 1966210
>>1966204The ones clicking like might be retarded, but the troons who post the tweets know what they're doing. They don't care if it's lies, they are desperate to make the public turn against JKR. Normal people either don't care or support her for being a based terve so they had to make up something else that people could hate her for.
The comic is by Assigned male who has drawn "baby fur" pinup art referenced with photos of actual babies. No wonder he wants to spread negative messages about women who wants to protect women and children.
No. 1966218
>>1966210>The troons who post the tweets know what they're doing. They don't care if it's lies, they are desperate to make the public turn against JKRThis basically sums up the trans cult. We’re literally witnessing mass propaganda that only works under the assumption that the GP will just accept the propaganda as fact without looking into the truth themselves. This propaganda is so effective in the age of twitter and tiktok because so most people get their news from unreliable social media posts that are curated to be as ragebaity as possible. Then their propaganda discredits any dissenting voices as “literal nazis!!1!” so that normies
won’t investigate the truth because they don’t want to be labeled as nazis too
No. 1966235
>>1966203Literal parasites. If they're so confident that the trannies were uniquely genocided by the Nazis, why did they add gay men into that comic? Why not use the numbers of for only the TIMs? Is it because the number would be extremely small, and that people would be able to point out several examples of TIMs obtaining transvestite passes and living normally in Nazi Germany?
Has anyone else noticed that wikipedia page has drastically altered the "transvestite pass" page and now references an article written ten days ago in order to pretend that trannies were the main target of the Nazis.
No. 1966270
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>>1966264So 4 out of… 17 million? Won’t anyone think of the trannies?!?
No. 1966413
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They're getting madder and madder that our downvotes can't be banned and silenced like everything else. Also, his name is deadlypants, how much more self aware can one get?
No. 1966421
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>>1966413Same guy. Why are all of them jokes? They're all the same guy and post the same weird shit.
No. 1966423
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>>1966421They always take it personally when somebody "misgenders" them. If I had a kid and they called a tranny by their obviously true gender, I would take them out for ice cream.
No. 1967019
>>1966627I’m glad that it helped you
nonnie. I have to tell myself this same thing all the time because I work in higher education and I’m surrounded by gender cult members all day long. I’m sure this is what it must feel like to be an atheist in a small town where everyone else is a Christian (or any other religion) and they’re always all going to church together. I also tell myself that throughout every century, there have always been some people who didn’t subscribe to the popular belief of the time (atheists, Russian people who didn’t agree with communism during the Russian revolution or Chinese people during the cultural revolution, Americans who supported communism during the 1950s Red Scare, etc.) and currently the popular belief among woke liberals is the gender religion. Take comfort knowing that no ideology remains dominant forever. Christians used to be thrown to the lions by the pagan Romans, and then Christianity became the dominant religion in Europe (Galileo got thrown in jail by the Catholic church for saying the earth revolves around the sun), but today European governments are secular. It was illegal to teach evolution in schools in Tennessee from 1927-1965, but eventually that law got repealed.
Reality is on our side because humans literally can’t change sex. I peaked from listening to trannies speak and it made me realize that they are all mentally ill narcissists and perverts. The more normies are exposed to the dark side of this ideology, the less they will support it. Just like creationism or flat earth beliefs, it will never go away entirely, but it will stop being the state-sponsored religion eventually.
No. 1968048
>>1967521"NLOTs" that don't detransition inevitably drop GC/anti-TRA politics when it suits them. They'll willingly join
terf communities and agree with us, but then turn around and claimed they were brainwashed. I prefer the diplomatic approach and I do that IRL because it helps build a bridge with disaffected liberals/questioning libfems to be more receptive to GC arguments but it's so telling how TRAs are so authoritarian that tolerating their existence isn't enough, they want total submission and to police your thoughts.
No. 1968352
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Browsing ovarit and a woman drew this comic someone else came up with the idea for.
No. 1968494
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I’m so embarrassed when a Japanese band comes to America and sees our shit
No. 1968611
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The LGB wouldn't bite the T throat.
No. 1968961
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>do a 3 day intensive course for my uni
>goes great, the teacher is super nice
>we have until Monday to give the finished project
>okay all far so good, I pretty much finished everything, I just need some last minute things-
>teacher sends an email saying "oh I forgot to ask for everyone's pronouns, I need them for the final notes, please reply with them"
I've never been asked my pronouns but this feels dehumanising, I'm very clearly a woman but because of the 3 gender people in my class we have to do shit like this. The teacher is probably asking because the TIFs and the enbie on my group look very very feminine and don't try looking masculine/ambiguous at all besides baggy clothing that hides their feminine figure, but they still present themselves with masculine and ambiguous names.
No. 1969063
>>1969044The
terf in me would have said "I'm a woman, is not rocket science".
No. 1971084
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I’m so glad to see lesbians openly speaking out against this shit on tiktok, which is zoomer gender cult central
No. 1971100
>>1971084Being a GC lesbian on tiktok is gigastacy behavior.
>>1971097Kek my first thought.
No. 1971160
>>1968961>I've never been asked my pronouns but this feels dehumanisingIt really does. If I'm in a woke space and I can't rock the boat too much I make sure to reply in a slightly off way by saying "just normal female ones" and not by saying "she/her". Anything to break their standard script.
If I'm feeling brave I say "whatever you think fits me best when you look at me" since that is how it usually works in the normal world, and unlike them I don't throw a tantrum if someone mistake me for a he or a "they". Even better when someone later asks something like "heard you go by they/them..?are you like nonbinary?" and I get to be like "no I don't and I'm not, that guy just decided I look like a stereotypical they/them and that's why he calls me that" and suddenly he's the bad guy for assuming my gender kek
No. 1971274
>>1971084Omg, Alison is so cute, I would absolutely date this beautiful savage
TERF queen.
No. 1971483
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Imagine being in your 60s where getting employed is impossible, having a family to feed, working at a company for multiple years and losing everything just because you had some opinions you expressed at social media that goes against the status quo. He didn't even express it at work. I'm so fucking mad.
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No. 1971785
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the pokemon thread on lc just coined the term "slurpers" as a slur for troon allies (so what a faghag is to gay people), it's short for "genderfluid slurpers" because they slurp up the gender fluids - cum and pussy juice - from troons (and is of course a pun on genderfluid enby troons as well)
I think it's perfect because it is so fucking disgusting, but the word "slurper" doesn't sound too disgusting on its own so if someone overheard you saying you hate slurpers they wouldn't think it was that weird
No. 1971893
File: 1713570367568.mp4 (1.42 MB, 360x360, gumping it.mp4)
>>1971521Reminds me vid related.
No. 1972595
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No comment.
No. 1972665
>>1971904Pickmes will be pickmes. I'm sorry you have to deal with that shit. If it helps you feel better, maybe see if you can use their caping to convince the retarded moids in your country to castrate themselves for asspats?
>>1972595He's going to get dogpiled by TRAs for satirizing the suffering of TIMs kek, trannies are a whole new level of delusional.
No. 1972696
The gender debate is starting to seriously pick up in my country, i think it'll be interesting because the UK/US have been through it before, which could give us lessons about how to avoid the absolute mess gendies made.
I thought about my own reactions to the GC movement, now that it's becoming increasingly real-er for women around me. I'll admit i once had issues with it due to bigotry (typically, regarding masculine women as failures). I still kind of do, but i've come to realize a lot of the 'i'm a based anti-troon feminist but GC are too mean' sentiment is terribly lame. If you take away critiques like 'it can be homophobic', which many GC people already have (it's not a monolith), it boils down to 'okay i don't like troons but i'm still a nice girl!'. Aside from the false equivalence between troon tactics and GC tactics, it really is all about feminine values: being nice and diplomatic, pretending to care, never being too agressive or confrontational. It's really bizarre to see it coming from self-described radfems or 'based ' women, like you're supposedly want to smash male supremacy but you can't handle a mean joke about TiMs? Because it's 'misdirected misogyny'? Come on.
The other side of this cowardice is the more institutional anti-trans movement. They'll bring up AGP but insist it's not wrong and the men who display their fetish are really little sensitive/autistic nerdy men who were misled by ebil tumblr. They won't touch the social and sexual implications of living out a humiliation fetish in relation to the female sex. It's all very clinical, very 'never be mean to your patient'. There's no overt political discourse, even though they participate in GC stuff.
All of these people still have my support but they've ironically made me appreciate poorfag/religious moms who don't mince words when it comes to troons (flaws and all).
No. 1973653
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Trooning out has NOTHING to do with misogyny, FYI.
No. 1973948
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Men discussing how they obtain bathroom creep shots reveal that they don the bare minimum trans signifiers like long hair, face mask, and a purse and just waltz in. Archived link is nsfw:
https://archive.ph/iVpNj No. 1974370
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Why do these people need to insert their gender into everything? Can't have a discussion about any fucking thing without someone going "im trans btw" shut uuuuuuup
No. 1974438
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Not racebait but why are 99% of trannies white?lots of libfems claim to be against privileged white men yet defend one when one transitions.so fucking hypocritical and ironic at the same time.picrel some ugly disgusting white tranny.
No. 1974455
>>19744381. they don't want women to see them as the bad oppressor guy so they troon out to make a complete 180 and instantly turn into the most opwessed gwoup ewer!! as feminists we all must protecc twans wommyn fwom discwimination!!!! uwu twaw twans wights are human wights. suck the girldick you bigot
2. upper middle class fuckers who have enough free time to sit in their inherited estate and jerk off to porn
3. idk im out of points i just hate all troons equally no matter what race. i don't discriminate
No. 1974561
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schizophrenia
No. 1974645
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>>1974561I always felt like a glowing orb controling a flesh robot and I bet most people who think about what they are inside don't come to the conclusion that they are just their body since most people have some deep internal thinking and internal life. Trannies think they are so special not feeling like their body but nobody does. We're just okay with it and we live with the miracle robot we got. Bodies are a tool for experience and your mind is a shapeless controller.
All they do is waste their time on vain shit about their body when in reality it doesn't matter at all what your body looks like. It's sad that they can't find anything else to do with their life but this. Such a waste.
No. 1974648
>>1974561>>1974645They really are the most sollipistic and blinded group of people. Since forever I've always like my body is completely disconnected from my mind and sometimes that can be distressing to think about, and I doubt most people don't feel that way at least once or twice. Also don't actually choronically ill people suffer this on a extreme level while their body deteriorates?
Plus, I love how they think they're so smart and profound for coming up with stuff like this, when it's very basic philsophy that's been done to death. It's like when that one type of person does weed for the first time and then thinks they're incredibly enlightened afterwards.
No. 1974678
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Today I went to a vegan restaurant. 9/10 times my waitress is this wook woman, but today it was a troon who must have just started. He looked like he was skinwalking the wook, minus the dreads because that's not woke.
He was nice enough, but then out of nowhere he started be an an asshole and was stuttering
> What do y-you want to dr-drink… I mean eat!
I realized the beanie I was wearing has a button on it that says "radfems against the right". He was seething so hard he split my kombucha and a cook bright me my food, probably because he told his co-workers he didn't feel safe. Before I left I went to the bathroom and slapped up a sticker that said "keep women's spaces single sex" over the "trans women are women" graffiti.
Sorry for the blog, but I wanted to share this with someone lol
No. 1974729
>>1974690AYRT, kek some have actually tried to pressure me into saying I was trans for expressing that sentiment, they didn't like it much when I kept repeating that I'm just mildly mentally ill at most. I think it's a lack of empathy and projection thing, like while some TIFs can be nice TIPs are so far up their own arses that they can't fathom that someone could have similar feelings, ideas and hobbies etc. and not be exactly like them, you can't feel or think those things you must be trans or they're not.
>>1974673I do agree with what you're saying and I feel I sort of mispoke- it's not so much I'm born into the wrong body, it just feels like mind and body are two defined yet linked entities, at least in my case. It definitely gets twisted into trans ideology and used to validate their delusions and view their own body as opposition that must be fixed, which is then rendered useless when people can still see their innate sex and treat them as such (even the rare 100% passing TIPs can be clocked by mannerism and idiosyncransies, especially TIMs) which is where all the enforcement of doublethink comes into play. They're chopping down trees to get at the branches, incredibly harmful and wasteful to everyone around.
>>1974678You are my hero nona, keep it up!
No. 1975467
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Nonnies, is it weird I wish the TIFs I know would peak? I barely know them, we've talked a few times at best and the times I've done it they seem nice but I've avoided getting to know them because I don't think getting close to any kind of tranny is a good idea. Even then one is very friendly and the other is super shy so they don't seem like bad people, I just wish they stopped with the trans stuff and learned that is fine to be a woman.
I wish they'd read the threads here that talk about how harmful the trans movement, I wish I could share to them why giving up womanhood is bad, I wish they'd detransition because there's still hope seeing as it seems they haven't started taking T and it seems they haven't gotten their breasts removed. But alas, it would be a weird thing for an acquaintance to do, and even if it wasn't they would probably call me a TERF and I'd get ostracised from where I know them.
No. 1975986
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their hatred of JK Rowling on a personal level amuses is fascinating to witness.
No. 1976376
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from Reddit about a man divorcing his wife since she wanted to become in a TIF. There's a reason why some women are called "trans widows".
No. 1976399
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Why’re they all like this.
No. 1976405
>>1976376The singular 'they' is only used when a person's sex is not known. When an obvious woman stands in front of you and asks to be called 'they', it's unnatural and messes with people's heads, even if they don't realize why. Our brains know she is a woman. We call women 'she'. But apparently we should look at her and know her magical gender identity and be unable to tell her sex, even though she's most likely dressed in ultra feminine fashion.
Going by they/them is such a female thing now that it's funny. When I see someone online with they/them in their bio, I know it's a woman (and I'm right 99% of the time.)
No. 1976428
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I’m 60% sure this is a TIF, not even lying. Where the fuck is their dick? It’s a TIF. What do you guys think, TIM or TIF?
No. 1976525
>>1976405>The singular 'they' is only used when a person's sex is not known.Correct, singular they has always been used as "he or she" (literally) and is gramatically not the same as a third genderneutral version of he and she. Never before in history has anyone gone for example "where is grandma?" "they're over there", as that has always been considered to be gramatically incorrect - just as saying "he is over there" is also incorrect.
And using "singular" they about people working has also often been used to mean "the people working at the company as a collective group" rather than "that one person". For example "Did they mail come yet?" "yes they were here earlier" doesn't mean "yes the one single mailman was here" but rather "yes some people working at the mail company were here, they as a collective workforce sent soemone to us".
I know this is basic stuff that people actually already know, but it helps reading it out in words and makes it easier to explain to others why "singular they" has never been used the way troons claims it's always been used.
No. 1976603
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>>1976450nope got it off this instagram account kek
No. 1977731
>>1977617You should ask them if you can identify as a transwoman. If they say no because you're female, which is the most likely answer, then
>>1977627if they say yes, then say that you are more oppressed than regular TIMs because throughout history "AMABs" have oppressed "AFABs"
No. 1977749
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>convinced an enby friend to realize she's a woman, she's a crypto with me and complains about trans people to me now
>helped another friend realize the insanity of gendies by relating with her complaining about that one troon who's sponsored by that period pad company
>ex-gf peaked a deeply insane gendie, now she's crypto
>got more of my normie friends openly more misandrist
We're all zoomers too. I hope you all realize that there is hope, there's always going to be hope, we just need to keep on going.
No. 1977818
>>1977774If there was a war against gendies I'm bullet proof
>>1977783I don't think I'm too charismatic, but It's easier to peak someone you're already close with rather than a stranger.
>>1977785I recommend having one on one time with some of your friends as it helps your friend be more comfortable and private. Always make yourself be the person where they can open up bottled feelings that they think is too controversial, and never try to judge them harshly if they say something you personally disagree with (They're your friend after all). There's always going to be a part of the conversation that will lead to current events, and when trans stuff are brought up don't hesitate to be assertive yet respectful with your opinion. Be sympathetic to the gendie situation and try to see both sides while staying firmly in your opinion.
An example would be "I understand where some people are coming from, but for me, I'm more critical of it coming from my own experiences"
Don't try to critique people unless the other person you're talking to does it first, trying to critique it from a systemic and meta perspective is much more effective than acting similar to their annoying facebook aunt.
It's important to let some of the conversations flow naturally without immediately trying to go back to the gendie topic, sometimes you need to figure out when it should leave or when it's too good to let the opportunity pass. Key points I mention most of the time are the connections with gendies and buying their identity instead of being secure in who they are, the bandaid societal fix of regressive gender stereotypes, gender plastic surgeons profiting off of insecure young people, the many medical lies that are sold to them, and the outright denial of many downsides and biological effects that comes with it. Don't immediately talk about the pervert tims, because many people don't consider them trans in the first place.
A big key into peaking others is to be openly in love being a woman, and never hesitate speaking out in a world of men and how unfair society is towards us. Doing research and mentioning facts about female biological advantages helps and Loving yourself can be really inspiring to a lot of gendies with internalized misogyny and normies that are afraid of being seen as an icky man hating feminist.
For the more deep gendies it will take longer, but taking it slow is important, as rushing into things will only make them feel betrayed. Sometimes it's slow, but trying to find the connection and helping female solidarity is always worth it to me. Godspeed nonas and I hope this helps!
No. 1977916
>>1977749Great work nona!
I would like to encourage everyone to peak people who you think don't "need" to be peaked because they're too normie to know about troon stuff. They're either going to hear it from you now and be warned about it so they can spot the lies right away, or one day their sister will inform them a niece is now a nephew and indoctrinate them and suddenly they're cheering on child mutilation without really knowing it. It's easy if you just bring it up here and there like "look at what crazy people online are saying and doing".
The topic of trans came up at my normie work and my boss ended up asking (from a mildly critical stand point) "do you feel like a woman?" and I said "No" which made him confused "I don't FEEL like one, wtf does that mean anyway, I just AM a woman and it has nothing to do with feelings" and it looked like something clicked in his head. Even as critical people we sometimes accidentally accept troon-terms and forget they were never true to begin with. For example it's easy to give in and call yourself "AFAB", to think "i guess my gender aligns with my sex since i've never thought about it" (rather than wtf is "gender", i sure don't have it), or to think gender dysphoria is real (and not just a misdiagnosis of a ton of other stuff), and in my boss case that "feeling like" something you're physically not and have never been is even truly possible.
My boss has become very openly critical of troons since then kek it's been wonderful to see
No. 1977935
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>>1977749>We're all zoomers tooI'm proud of you young nona. I've been terfing for over a decade and I'm glad the younger generations see through the troon bs too.
No. 1978046
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https://www.iene.mediaset.it/video/bloccanti-della-puberta-parlano-le-famiglie_1330781.shtmlItalian
nonny here, basically our tv is trying to push the shitty lie that puberty blockers are totes reversible. The children are two autistic boys and two gay kids, it's funny because some years ago they filmed an episode about conversion therapy and how that's harmful, now we're fighting for synthetic hormones in little kids to deal with minor distress. In particular, one of them says "I knew I was a girl because I liked girl clothes more."
I can't wait for them to be Jenning'd not because I hate them but because they
have to wake up.
No. 1978266
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this could've been so cute if it wasn't tranny shit
No. 1978280
>>1978266those are such cute colors and it's a shame that they're used for trannyism. We should reclaim that, a nonna was doing
terf stickers with the trans color scheme and honestly that's a great idea. Their new flag should be brown, yellow and red, the colors of their rotpockets.
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why
No. 1978548
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>>1978524im convinced its literally just the fad of the decade.
No. 1978594
>>1978280>a nonna was doing terf stickers with the trans color scheme and honestly that's a great idea.I've seen an increasing number of anti-trans content and memes using trans colors and I think it's so great! I really think it's time we took back the colors.
>Their new flag should be brown, yellow and red, the colors of their rotpockets.KEK maybe add some speckles of white, to represent the pus leaking out of their wounds
No. 1978676
>>1977617Point out how in extremely misogynistic patriarchal societies (the Taliban, Christian fundamentalist cults, etc.), TIMs can simply cut their hair and put some pants on and immediately rise right back to the top of the patriarchal hierarchy. Sure they’d have to suppress their
fetish “true self” but is that worse than being raped, enslaved, having all their human rights stripped away? If they bring up TIMs who’ve had surgery point out that they
chose to do that to themselves but no girl or woman has ever chosen to be born female. Many prominent TIMs like Bruce Jenner and Richard Levine have happily and successfully “lived as men” until they were well into middle age. When being trans or “being a woman” isn’t worth it anymore, there’s no reason that men like them can’t go back to living like regular men. Breast implants can be removed and it’s not like you can tell a clothed man has mangled genitalia just by looking at him. And if they argue that our society isn’t nearly as bad as the Taliban, point out that women having equal rights under the law is a very recent development that is by no means set in stone. Most women’s rights we now take for granted were only achieved within my mother’s lifetime. The fact that TIMs could opt out of “womanhood” whenever they want is male privilege.
Also point out that TIFs can’t opt into male privilege, not even in the West. Where are all the TIFs in positions of power in business or politics? Why are the famous TIFs all actresses and porn stars? If the people you’re talking to acknowledge that TIFs experience misogyny because on some level they’re perceived as female, they have to admit that TIMs experience male privilege because on some level they’re perceived as male.
No. 1978777
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So how do your response to liberals who say shit like "Why don't you care about this real pressing issue rather than "harassing" poor trans women" Interestingly, these same people are often deeply invested in fandom and consumerism
No. 1978786
>>1978777I just say “Why do you care so much about me caring? How does me caring about this issue impact you?”
And if people say “But trans people are just being theirselves, they’re not hurting anyone!” I reply with “Having a doctor cut off your breasts or genitals is hurting someone - it’s hurting yourself. Should doctors prescribe liposuction so anorexics can feel more comfortable in their bodies?” because I don’t have enough faith to assume that the person I’m arguing with would give a shit about women’s safety.
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>>1978777I'd argue that this is a pretty big issue that affects women's rights. But regardless, are you only allowed to care about the #1 biggest issue that exists? It'd be absurd if someone heard about a child struggling with asthma and complained that there are other kids who are starving and dying so who cares shut up. And also most people don't have the knowledge and skills to tackle deep economic issues, so it's not like they can really help anyway, that doesn't mean they can't advocate in areas that they are familiar with. It'd be like complaining that the geologist isn't curing cancer.
No. 1978788
>>1978777Anyone who responds like that is pretty braindead and definitely not interested in actually having a conversation or debate about any of that stuff. That's the kind of response you get when someone doesn't know how to defend their point.
The presence (in conversation) of one issue doesn't imply the absence of another. Your fridge being broken isn't as big of an issue as poor children starving to death worldwide, but you're still allowed to be bummed your fridge is broken and talk about fixing it. Issues exist on different scales simultaneously, and if each person out there was only allowed to think and talk about one problem at a time, it would take a long time to get everything working.
No. 1978811
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Has anyone else found themselves moving away "LGBT" support and feeling conflicted about it? I know it's a part of a broader trend in attitude changes (>pic rel
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/11/us-public-support-lgbtq-protection-falls) which sucks to admit and see. I'm in my early thirties, so I remember when gay marriage was a fashionable cause. Now, I find it hard to align myself with the vast majority of movements that advocate for rights for gay, lesbian, and bisexual people because they're also usually poisoned with a lot of troon support as well. To be clear, I still support LGB rights, but the movements and organizations that are ideologically in-line with this are few and far between.
I find myself increasingly alienated by gay men. Drag moved away from being some sort of subversive and underground critique on gender roles to what it is now, a corporatized cash cow for men to mock women and legitimize tranny logic. Even many of the lesbians I know in real life embrace TQ rhetoric. I no longer bother with "pride" lest it be misconstrued as TQ support, and I've mostly given up on dating. I'm forced to deal with an AGP on a day-to-day basis who has inserted himself into "LGBT" spaces, and this is totally exemplary of what the movement has turned into.
Ultimately, it's really disheartening to feel like Western troons have poisoned the well beyond repair. Gay rights were and are still a fringe cause in many places (like my home country) and now support is rolling back because LGBs aren't centered in their own movement. I can only imagine how vindicated people with prejudices and biases against homosexuals and bisexuals must now feel because of what troons have done in the past 10-15 years.
No. 1978890
>>1978811I still feel unconditionally supportive of gay rights. If anything I feel more supportive because it's 2024 and somehow a new version of gay conversion therapy has been invented and it's now socially acceptable to pressure them into fucking the opposite sex. It's fucking horrendous to see the damage this shit is doing.
But yeah I can't tolerate anything to do with LGBT, (neo)pride flags are red flags, I can no longer dismiss drag as something harmless for gay men, anything generally 'woke' is repulsive to me and that applies to other groups too. It's unfortunate, it's nothing to do with the individuals in certain groups, but every time I see some wokie tumblr drawing of a fat disabled black transwoman with vitiligo or whatever I want to burn the entire left down. I simply don't have the patience or the stomach for the way oppression is now treated in the media and fandom.
No. 1979039
>>1977749My tif enby friend is not far away from peaking, she already confessed finding TIMs creepy and misogynistic.
Also I'm a zoomer as well and a couple of my uni friends are cryptos, our generation isn't as doomed as some people here make it out to be
No. 1979063
>>1978890It’s not new, that’s the sad thing. Transing gays is the origin of most third genders, they just don’t care because they aren’t gay. It’s almost like unscrupulous people who hate gays will take any chance to correct the perceived aberrant behavior regardless of how harmful it is!
It’s the same with pedos trying to co-op the lgb, it’s a known facet of the MAP movement that any chance they get they’ll take it to prey on children. But now we’ve got “oh don’t worry about Barbietits Childfucker, she’s going through her second puberty, teehee, and she totally needs to be able to play with your 12yo to affirm her transition” and “but men in dresses need newborns to suckle their nipples because euphoria!”
Can’t fathom how society got so fucking stupid that safeguarding is nonexistent again. I remember my dad complaining about being singled out as a man and disallowed to accompany the children to the bathroom alone and it’s like, no fuckface, they send two of you now because predators got wise about teacher aids having private access to children and were moving in. Same with the Catholic Church, everyone had a grand old time using that to beat Catholics in the face for their clueless trusting nature but we’re here again! Same problems. Sorry this all hurts my mind because I’ve already done this, I’ve already existed in this lesson and I have to live it again because some people are too selfish and stupid to think straight.
No. 1979124
>>1978811Have many issues with pre-2010s gay rights movement and New Left sexual politics (surrogacy, networks and intellectuals supporting pedophilia, troons aren't very original in that regard), but it's sickening to see what's being done to homosexuals nonetheless. Actually gay people don't have that much clout in comparison to the hordes of spicy straights, handmaidens, cowards and perverted men (the powerhouses of this movement, in a way they bear even more responsibility than troons), so their discontent gets drowned out. So-called ''lesbians'' supporting AGP troons and artificially inflating trans acceptance are a good example.
I really wish pro-trans gays/lesbians would get what they deserve, too. They seem to think they'll be spared if they yap loudly enough about trans rights, but hate to have their own discourse applied to them. Vicious gay moids who bark at women and 'pickme gays' over trans deserve to undergo a compulsory pussy-eating session to prove they're legit.
>>1979063> unscrupulous people who hate gays will take any chance to correct the perceived aberrant behaviorYeah. They love to rant about 'nature' and how heterosexuality is simply the 'natural' order, but know very well how to repress GNC children, as they understand it's a predictor of homosexuality. I'm still somewhat optimistic, because while most people don't care about homophobia, they care about their children, at least enough to push back against mutilation.
It's also amazing how easily people switch from total rejection to excusing and allowing pedophilia if it's in the home, in the party, in the movement etc. When the troon movement dies out, there will be a new charade to justify moids' sexual access to kids
No. 1979359
>>1978811Part of what makes troons so annoying and dangerous is how homophobic they are so it's made me MORE supportive of actual LGB rights - but it's made me less supportive "on paper" because if it's "LGBT" then hell no. Just like when I say "women" I do not ever want to include troons, I also can't support LGB if the T is there. We all know when troons say "women" they center it around troons and harm real women - when troons say "LGBT" they still center it around troons and harm real LGB people.
If women or LGB people are supportive of troons I of course disagree with them, but it doesn't affect my overall support of women or LGB.
No. 1979385
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Sad. (1/3)
No. 1979828
>>1978811I understand where you're coming from, anon. Just remember that trannies and corporations are responsible for most of these problems, and not to hold it against normie gays and lesbians. The vast majority of people who consoom drag shit are straight or spicy straight women. They're also the ones taking their kids to these events. It's because they've been targeted so successfully by media companies. These days drag is just a vehicle to sell makeup and merchandise.
There is an issue with misogyny among gay men, but remember that's it's not because they're gay, it's because they're men. And at the very least, the more acceptable it is to be gay, the fewer women there are getting trapped in lavender marriages with closet cases. In general, it's a boon when moids fuck each other instead of bothering women. And that's before you get into the fact that the government shouldn't be in the business of policing sex between fully consenting adults in the first place.
No. 1979847
>>1979309>the profits from HRT and surgeriesThis is the main reason, in addition to mission creep. While there are absolutely conservatives who benefit from weaponizing troons against gay people, a lot of charities and other organizations weren't just going to lay off their staff when the 2015 gay marriage decision came down. They wanted to keep raising money, so they moved on to troons, which were the next big thing. But there's a reason the trans stuff was put on the backburner in favor of gay rights (aside from the fact that gay people, not troons, started the movement) and it's because trans shit is a much harder sell. With gay people, it's just allowing them to live without legal persecution. Trans "rights" on the other hand consist of free cosmetic surgery, normalizing the sterilization of children, and forcing others to validate their identity. That's a big jump, but the charities were willing to make it, and the pharmaceutical companies were happy to bankroll it. So, so many of the studies with pro-trans conclusions come from ideologue doctors with stated ties to Pfizer.
No. 1979952
>>1978777Something I've noticed lately is two things. Any negative news item regarding gender medicine or tims in sports gets 'we should care about the housing crisis instead!!'. If a news item includes a man abusing a child there will inevitably be comments about how see it's not drag queens. Except of course that those news items somehow magically never get mentioned, and if they do 'well it's just one bad guy'.
On the other hand, I've also noticed that instead of calling everyone a nazi the term du jour instead is now calling everyone a fascist.
>>1979309The answer is almost never that complex. Like
>>1979847 said, the reason is basically money from the pharmaceutical side, and mission creep from the org side.
I think there's also a lot to be said about how academia sees the world in a way that's straight up not reality, the replication crisis, and the issue of those working in academia needing to constantly show results no matter what.
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I loved how based she's becoming.
No. 1980146
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>>1979309i'm also a big time tinfoiler re: the surge in TQ shit. i would not be surprised if this movement has been peddled from the shadows by political forces that would like to see the youth maimed beyond repair both psychologically and physically. tumblr was ground zero for this shit and we know that it was full of Russian bots, yet no one seems to talk about how the two could be related. you have to wonder: who does it benefit if an entire generation is totally fixated on make-believe nonsense and their digital ass pats rather than the tangible happenings of the real world? who does it benefit if a significant portion of the youth voluntarily decides to sterilize themselves and turn into easily manipulated forever patients? i've considered the possibility that TQ rhetoric is being pushed as some sort of population control, perhaps related to impending dramatic climate change or by competing political entities to keep viable military enrollment low. alternatively, maybe if the concepts of biological sex and sex-based differences/protections are destroyed, then it will pave the way to force women into conscription. i know it's all very schizo (inb4 take your meds), but i find it hard to believe that multiple governments would ideologically align themselves with a movement that more or less grew out of 4chan's anime board and that also fervently supports the harming of healthy young people's bodies and science denial without an ulterior motive.
people make ironic jokes about trans shit being to nerds what crack was to the black community in the US in the '80's, but there is now a general consensus that the CIA played a critical role in cocaine trafficking to/from LatAm and the genesis of the crack cocaine epidemic. i won't be surprised if in forty years we hear something analogous in relation to the massive push for TQ medicalization and legislation.
No. 1980162
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>>1980146I think picrel is the best explanation.
No. 1980171
>>1979952I'm
>>1979847 and I'm kicking myself now for not mentioning the replication crisis (which itself may be in part a result of ideologues backed by big pharm). Sometimes garbage studies get published, but the sheer volume of bad science happening goes beyond what can be explained simply by human error. I think these authors have incentives to publish these studies, be it from outside entities or their own agendas.
No. 1980237
>>1978811I couldn't put my fingers on why lately I found myself conflicted for gb(men)+tq and then something came to my mind: men. The problem is men. Everything for which men stands for has to do with fetish (and attention) and/or sex, no actual love or family discourse.
They love to scream about being a family too only to abuse kids or use babies as a thing to get praise.
They love to talk about love only to bring dirty dildos to parades and running around in speedos.
They love to talk about rights and that could be broke down to "do not judge me for liking piss in my mouth or dressing up as a dog."
Growing up I was fully supportive because same sex (read attraction and relationship goals) are not a fetish and shouldn't be treated as something that people do out of kink, I was very verbal about not using terms like "bisex" to describe bi people because that's a porn category only to see gay men screaming in parades stuff like omg whoo cares and treating the pride parade as a open day-night club, not fighting for any rights, not caring about women in the same space while women were fighting for them, saying that women were icky and everybody laughing meanwhile if a woman said that men were icky, these little shit cried at frame zero and accused us to be…homophobes?
I can see why conservative people view being gay or bi as a sexual deviancy, it's because the most vocal group treat it like that.
I have yet to see idk, lesbian and bi women running around with fake vaginas and being nasty, spicy straight excluded of course.
The T itself was born due to self hating gays who somehow still wanted to fit in and wanted a space to be degenerate without anyone judging their shitty wigs and makeup.
It's always them.
No. 1980647
>>1980185Agreed. Trannies are like teen girls for this purpose. They spend millions every year on the shit. Billions at this point. Clothes, makeup, chems, surgery, etc. Only their income pool is larger. Trannies either private pay, credit card, go fund me, or it's covered by medicaid.
Delusional men are the never-ending honeypot for corporations.
No. 1980739
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Ok guys, time for some good news! And it's by the Guardian, no less.
No. 1981097
>>1980773I have an idea of why. Muslim/arab (can't say for asian muslims as they're different) misogyny just has a honesty to it. It's very hard to live in delulu land and lie to yourself because their gendered rules are laid out in a very clear way. Many muslim women are the archetypal right-wing woman who's weirdly masculine in certain ways. Immigrant/women in really poor countries are not afforded the 'damsel in distress' fantasy, so like working class white women and black women, they often lack the extreme agreeability and niceness (fakery) of middle class gendie women. This carries on to feminist exmuslim girls, even if they are in opposition to the religion of their mother. This is why there are so few muslim pro-trans girls, they're almost all openly GC or cryptoterf because they immediately clock the implicit sex dynamics in troons (weak, self-hating TiFs, angry TiMs). They aren't interested in being 'morally' correct. Often religion is the main vector for submissiveness in med/arab women (think italian mom), like you'll see them be loud, assertive and antagonize men but they're still attached to the 'submissive to god and husband' thing. Once you reject that, there isn't much patience left for sacrifice, agreeableness and all the submissive behaviors displayed by lefty TRA girls. And, like
>>1980843 said, plenty of non-western societies have their own way of dealing with feminine men and masculine men, which is reminiscent of troon ideology.
No. 1981241
i’ve noticed a growing trend with the hyperfeminine nonbinary women i meet (not nearly as prevalent with actual GNC nbs) where they assume that i am also nonbinary, presumably because i look alternative + hang out in spaces rife with they/thems, and when i correct them they become increasingly resistant to the point of hostility over time. they will ask my pronouns and i will respond, “oh, i am but a woman,” and they bristle immediately and start telling me about their gender identity and usually never speak to me again after that which is fine with me, but both of my best friends tends to have a lot of extremely feminine nb women in their friend groups and, with alarming consistency, they overwhelmingly treat me with increasing contempt that seems directly tied to my unwillingness to identify as anything other than proudly female. i am never rude to these girls either, like i find their entire thought process infuriating and braindead but i also understand that they are ultimately victims of misogyny, i play along with their pronouns if they’re the type to insist (although most of them still let people use she/her until the need to not be a woman arises), but they feel seemingly zero need to return that favor.
my bestie had been hanging out with a quintessential NLOG nb for a while who, even after knowing me for months, would not stop referring to me as they/them despite being corrected, to the point where my friend had to tell her to stop and point out how hypocritical it was for her to constantly complain about misgendering while actively doing it to me kek. her excuse was “oh i just refer to everyone as they/them by default it’s a habit” meanwhile this bitch was calling chris-chan a woman lmaoooo!!! it was, to me, very clear that she had decided i was wrong for “choosing” to identify as a woman and not play pretend with her that women are somehow lesser beings who can only really be people if they shed their female identity, and my complete unwillingness to engage with gender identity beyond being polite in mixed social settings was unacceptable to the point i think that she eventually tried sabotaging my relationship with my friend until she got ousted from the friend group.
most of the GNC theyfabs i meet are pleasant enough and clearly just deeply uncomfortable with the consequences of being perceived as feminine and, i mean, fair enough i guess. at worst they assume that i’m just 100% comfortable in my skin and have never had a day in my life where i wished i wasn’t a woman, but i can at least sympathize with them more, especially the unfortunate normal tomboys who got sucked into gender ideology. but the super feminine nbs have always been astonishingly hostile towards me, perhaps because i also present very femininely in my aesthetic choices but have no issue openly identifying with womanhood and talking about feminism. it really speaks to just how deeply they believe that women are fundamentally inferior and they’re just smart enough to have figured out how to game the system and escape misogyny while still getting to dress cute (because they’re soooo much smarter than other girls).
No. 1981305
>>1949301as someone who has had to deal with TIMs infesting the fandoms I'm in, this is accurate. I knew several males who transitioned because they were virgins, neets etc. And it's not so much these things specifically since you could still be a neet or a virgin or whatever and not troon out or even be a bad person at all, it's that they are too unintelligent to properly handle being a "failure" (in society's eyes) or unconventional in any way, and see transition as a magical way out or as you mentioned, a way they can glorify it and no longer feel embarrassed about it.
The way I see it there's really only two ways you can deal with being "behind" on those so called arbitrary life milestones: either accept yourself as you are and make peace with the fact that you're not really the same as normies and just exist as you are and that you're fine with it or don't care/wasn't for you anyway etc, or try to change yourself to adjust to society's standards more if you truly feel like you're missing out or think you
can do that.
But instead what these people choose is the third non existent "solution" where they just troon out and ruin their lives even more, because they have absolutely no capability for introspection and just want whatever seems like the easiest way out. The thing with being a girlfailure or whatever the fuck for males is definitely real too, like they basically want to run away from the responsibilities of being an adult man by pretending they're a cute anime girl and it's disgusting. It's misogynistic in the sense that they think being a woman is life on easy mode or will somehow absolve them of all adult responsibilities when that isn't even true lol.
>>1981241I've noticed this too, I haven't actually interacted with many nb women (mostly just TIMs) but anytime I browsed tags for alt fashion stuff I noticed there's a lot of women who are hyperfeminine identifying as something else, and it's always retarded to witness. The fact that they're hostile towards you is definitely just a sign of their internalized misogyny
No. 1981416
>>1980902To me it's the opposite, I don't hide my weird as hell interests specifically because I'm relatively stable and unlike most people I met in fandoms, I value self-development and real self-care. It's rare, and I'm glad I may be painting a positive picture of someone who has "strange" hobbies. It makes people feel a bit better about their own interests that they find unappealing to the masses and I noticed everyone tends to either open up around me and stress less about larping as a "normal functional adult", even if, at the first glance, they come off as ones to me. Which is really deceiving and depressing when you think about it, because nobody is "normal", some are just better at suppressing themselves than others. It's a miserable existence, built on relatively false connections. Also, a tiny fraction of those who are still openly judgmental of said interests and make shitty comments about what I like, are in fact just insecure as fuck about themselves and it's just them expressing their jealousy and need to be around someone who won't judge THEM. Their opinions about me is just them talking to a mirror.
Besides, I strongly believe that NOT doing something because it's attached to stereotypes, trends, or anything else of that sorts, is just a flip side of blindly following any trend and agreeing with everything you're told you must be like. True freedom lies in being yourself and owning it. So what if you don't fit the general stereotype of who is a fan of a thing? All groups of people are full of retards that conform to the group's stereotypes, it's not exclusive to hobbies (although I do understand frustration with hobbies being infested with troons, I truly do). Just be yourself, nona, it's not hobbies that scare people away, it's putrid personalities. Kind of like there's no real way to define what a lolcow is like; if you look deeper, it's never about interests or eccentricity, it's about patterns of obnoxious behaviors.
No. 1981509
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Fuck. Nonnies, have you seen this article by the New York Times? Sorry for the shitty screenshot, I will never subscribe to them, but one of my coworkers mentioned it and how the article boils down that between all athletes tested, the only biological difference they found is "grip strength". What a load of horseshit, but I can't say anything about the content 'cause it's behind their paywall.
No. 1981518
>>1981509This NYT article is citing the same bullshit “scientific study” funded by the trans lobby discussed in this reply chain
>>1963965. Don’t worry nonna, some tranny editor is getting desperate because males in women’s sports are gradually losing support even from normie lefties now
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>>1981522No problem, nonna. It’s still concerning, because like you said, too many normies trust any mainstream media now, but the NYT, like the Telegraph (for the britbongs) has been meagerly publishing articles on “both” sides of the debate, which, at least, is still a step forward compared to their relentless tranny dickriding from the past
>Trans “science” from the IOC study For anons that haven’t read the IOC study cited by the NYT or its criticisms,
the study compared 23 overweight TIMs to 21 sportswomen. Yeah…
No. 1981538
>>1981509you can jump the paywall with archive,
nonny.
https://archive.is/B3Vf4lol @ the last line:
>“This is no longer a science matter. Unfortunately, it’s become a political matter.” No. 1981592
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They always try to shame detransitioners or pull them back in. Either you're a grifter who was never trans or you're too dumb to realize that you'll always be trans. And apparently not taking hrt is self-harm if you have dysphoria. It really is crabs in a bucket.
No. 1981702
>>1981191I think that encouraging straight students to queer out, cut off their families, and turn into hateful nutjob cultists was always part of the plan. Or lie and pretend to be a 1/64 afrolatina proud
PoC, or fake being Muslim or Jewish, or fake a disability. Even when it was a lie, it still grew their cause like a cancer. They turned fake identities into an aspirational thing for a generation of social climbing idiots.
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>>1980707A lot of mtfs were or are apart of the alt-right ironically
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Was venting about a friend trooning out to my mom and she pulled the retarded left-handed meme on me. No doubt she heard it on John Oliver. Demoralizing as fuck.
Basically I was talking to her about how it's weird that only .2% of boomers (her generation) are trans, whereas 10% of zoomers are. She argued that it's because society is more accepting, and I came back with "wouldn't that mean people of all ages feel more comfortable with coming out, not just people my age?" After that, she just said "maybe," and moved to a different point. So aggravating, especially because she agreed with me about JK Rowling and the trans sports stuff.
I wish I had someone IRL to talk to about this without getting a bunch of pushback and "uhm ackchually." It's all shit I've heard before, and most of it is zombie statistics and misinformation.
No. 1983092
>>1982781>After that, she just said "maybe," and moved to a different point. I think you did well nona. She changed topic because she knew you had a point there, if she had been steadfast in her belief she would have kept arguing it. So giving her a bit of time to think about it and then coming back with more proof is gonna help peak her. It takes more than one conversation, and you're already making progress.
Some more ammo for you to bring up: the people who come out as trans aren't happy - they're "dysphoric" and that's why they feel the need to transition. Teen mental illness in general is on the rise, young men actually commit more suicides than the previously largest group (which was middle aged 40-50 men). So kids are becoming mentally ill at very drastic levels, AND more kids are trans. And that'supposedly not related at all..?
But according to trans logic, the previous "in the closet" trans kids (that those 10% would have been) should now be happier since they're out as trans, get affirmed, and get surgery and hormones etc. So there should actually be a massive drop in suicides among young people (from "life saving care"). So why are their suicides instead up?
Those 10% of kids should in ALL previous generations have committed suicide from a lack of "trans healthcare". Yet all evidence points to teens feeling MORE dysphoric the further they go into transition. More kids die at their own hands. More kids are mentally ill. And there weren't ever a mass epidemic of "trans" kids killing themselves in her generation. If 10% of kids in a generation had comitted suicide, people would have fucking noticed.
No. 1983254
>>1983249im fucking retarded
>this site and lolcow*this site and 4chan
No. 1983581
>>1983448>>1983418It might feel like a psy-op but it's mostly caused by the weakening of left orgs, who have become so desperate to stay relevant and 'hip' they let anyone be the faces of their movement. I witnessed this in real time in my country (we were late in comparison to the US). Orgs that previously shat on 'autistic furry fat blue-haired poseurs' started letting maladjusted moids with AGP hold positions, allowing them to control things like public image and 'propaganda' efforts. It's like they became blind to what they hated in the first place. And like
>>1983505 said, these TiMs aren't that out of place in either RW or leftie orgs. Many local/regional orgs effectively are boys clubs, they accomodate antisocial men even if the moid in question is a catgirl transbian, to the expense of normies and women.
Right-wing men and left-wing trannies both have a fascination with hierarchy, which manifests in their sexual life. Cuckholding/femdom/AGP is strangely very popular with RW moids, they don't simply don't articulate it like leftwing trannies do. This is why masculine, domineering and power-hungry leftist moids troon out or support troons at such alarming rates, it's perfectly in line with their prior mental and political structures
No. 1983691
>>1983671To be fair she was the typical proto-TIF who is extremely gender conforming in basically every way except for being lesbian and not wearing makeup. Extremely feminine interests, mannerisms, voice, tiny and dainty, etc. And yeah I understand many lesbians hate conservatives, but the stuff we were talking about 5-6 years ago was obviously not coming from a conservative place, I was exposing her to leftist radfem views and talking about how TRAs are homophobic etc (which she actually brought up first, but I gave her more examples and we talked about it a lot). So I don't understand why she would suddenly see these views as conservative.
>>1983674Yeah I guess so but usually if you feel mean and guilty you don't go the whole distance to fundraising for TRA events and spamming your social media with pro-trans memes, you just stay quiet and use people's preferred pronouns and try not to be 'mean' like I did before I fully peaked. She literally had a TIM harassing her sexually that she met on a dating app and refusing to leave her house and insisting they live together after like one date, she lived with TIF roommates who she always referred to as 'she' when she talked about them and joked about how they're typical lesbians, etc. She can't possibly think TIMs just want to pee because she was harassed by at least one predatory one herself.
I would get it if she was just quiet about her TERFy views on social media, she was always one of those people who didn't want to offend anyone publicly, but she is full on with posting trans propaganda on social media etc. It's really weird because she was so opposed to oppression pyramid stuff that she even refused to tick the 'LGB' boxes on grant applications as an artist, which in our country makes you 500% more likely to get grants etc. because she said it was offensive to be judged on that. I just don't get it, it feels like the going back and reading queer articles actually worked or something for her to be this vocal about it, but how?
No. 1983753
>>1983741You're right it probably is this simple. I guess I just can't wrap my head around it because every other woman I know who peaked became so repulsed by TRA ideology once she saw it for what it was and was also logically incapable of gaslighting herself anymore. But I guess being very suggestible and socialized to be agreeable/socially pleasing leads to completely snuffing out your own logical capabilities and feelings to make others happy.
On a related note your response made me think this is part of why so many TIFs are so hyperfeminine in character/mannerisms/interests if not in looks. I think the type of woman most likely to be dragged into gender ideology is the type who is very people pleasing, suggestible, etc. aka extremely affected by female socialization. Women who are more GNC in behaviour/interests are less likely to troon out because they're less likely to be excessively agreeable and suggestible/people-pleasing and more likely to tell people to go fuck themselves if it's suggested that they're less of a woman just for dressing a certain way or liking 'boy things.'
No. 1983898
>>1983808AYRT and I get this in general but in my friend's case she actually was pretty lonely/had no friend circle already because she HATED the queer scene and I was basically her best friend but she ended our friendship (of like over a decade) over a fairly trite reason so I assumed she wouldn't be mentally weak enough to try to 'fit in' with a crowd she wasn't even friends with to begin with. Like she wasn't running in those circles in general last I was talking to her a lot a couple years ago because she found it a very uncomfortable social environment. But I guess loneliness could lead you to try to fit in so hard that you adopt those views to make new friends. Back when we were BFF and she knew I was an evil
TERF she invited me to hang out with her gendie roommates and we got along so I'm sure she knows I'm not an evil conservative out to hurt her gendie friends, plus she called them women behind their backs, idk.
It's easy for me to understand how you can be a gendie to fit in before you are peaked, but after it's so hard to wrap my head around how you could just promote things you know are logically impossible and harmful to your own group (women, LGB people) without a shred of apparent cognitive dissonance. Usually people don't un-peak because you can't really un-know obvious facts like that men aren't women. But maybe I'm just underrating the effect of loneliness and social agreeableness in some people's mindsets.
No. 1984149
>>1984106Idk how old your daughter is, but I think there's things you can do to your routers settings to prevent your daughter from going on certain websites where trans ideology is prevalent (basically dont allow her to have a social media account at all, and use youtube extensions like unhook so she wont get weird recommendations by the algo that'll send her down a rabbit hole.) I'm 99% sure most modern day TIF's were groomed by the internet and how agressive the algo tends to be on these topics, so keep encouraging offline activities in your daughter so hopping on the internet doesn't become a hobby for her.
Other than that try not to push her into becoming more girly, either wait for her to naturally want that for herself or let her be who she is. The root cause for TIF's trooning out seem to be overly controlling parents that try to dominate the way they present themselves.
No. 1984206
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Useful diagram I found showing the differentials between male and female athletes. It's absurd thar anyone thinks a single year of chemical castration can negate this.
No. 1984837
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>>1984433the okama from one piece maybe?
No. 1985672
>>1985560When there are no available urinals, men will treat the toilets in stalls like urinals. They don’t close the door behind them and they’ll piss all over it. I remember men and boys talking about this long before gender neutral toilets were even a thing. My husband prefers sitting down to pee but never does so in public men’s toilets because they’re always covered in piss.
I feel so bad both for women forced to share public toilets with men and for the people who have to clean that mess. You know men are going to piss in the sanitary bins just because they can.
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https://twitter.com/BeeweeCrover/status/1784805247564525790?t=O0o52Rl0wcD1YZEzwM8KwA&s=19Posted in the tif thread, this makes me think
Why do women see "she/her" as a dirty word? I know gender ideology is just gender stereotypes repackaged but why all of this hatred? Extreme feminine clothing, extreme feminine mannerism but noo, I'm a guy! Totes a guy! And they don't
want to be guys, they just go ewww girl! Like a preschoolar kid. I hate this kid of gender thing. Somehow I can see the mental illness of actually transitioning, I can somehow
excuse the trauma and the autism of fragile women that try to escape misogyny but this? No problems with presenting feminine but having a breakdown if being called "she"? This doesn't make sense at all even if I try to understand their logic. The comics makes it clear that it's not about strangers that misgender her because she understands but at that point who cares? Isn't the whole trans thing about assuming the gender of the other, making the most so you pass? Why don't "actual" trans people, you know the ones who get surgery and spend a fuckton of money on essentially vanity treatments, get mad at people who claim their spaces just because they say so? Non dysphoric theyfabs should be their biggest enemies, and yet…
No. 1985824
>>1985751you see, "actual trans people" that just want to live regular lives are few and far in between and the ones that have spoken out about these transtrenders, Blair White is a big example, are labeled as a right wing bigot that isn't worth listening to and you know how black/white society is.
Idk if most of the trans people that were around 20 years ago are even alive anymore. Like imagine making up 1% of the population and then suddenly millions of people with extremist values start claiming to be you and fucking up everything. It's not impossible but its incredibly difficult to save your community once a majority of people start adopting a self destructive mentality and you cant do much except leave and create your own community. (its why problems shouldve been nipped at the bud when they first came up before it grew into this whole issue)
No. 1985851
>>1985751Extreme NLOGism. They're so different to other girls that they're bois and thembies. All of this is caused by misogyny, since liking pink and makeup as a woman means you're a vapid retard who deserves to get raped, but liking it as a boyo means you're heckin' brave and bendin' those gender binaries alongside other queer folx who have boipussies and wear dresses. It's retarded from start to finish.
>>1985824You made an interesting point about the trannies that were around 20 years ago. Troons are held up as snapshots of victory against TERFs or used as examples of the trans genocide and then forgotten about once their time in the spotlight is over. The accounts of troons in nursing homes who use their real names and birth genders, the amount of trannies who detransition quietly decades after living 'happily' as the opposite gender and talk about weights being lifted off their shoulders, the fact that troon suicides happen more frequently after gender-affirming procedures, and the sheer amount of gays and lesbians who troon out as a form of conversion therapy, all show that the delusion can only carry them so far. If there are any troons around from 20 years ago, I'm not sure today's TRAs would want their opinions.
No. 1985915
>>1985911That's why I'm saying these people sound like incels. Dating apps suck and finding a partner to spend your life with is extremely hard unless you have absolutely no standards and even then chances are that if you're a straight woman your moid will cheat on you or get a limp dick from all the porn he's watching.
But I guess once you come to the "realisation" that you have it so much worse than anyone else for your super special snowflake identity, it's easy to completely disregard reality.
No. 1986008
>>1985851yeah if the trans suicide rate is high and the new talking point is "trans people can grow old", I can imagine the few trans people still around that are 50+ that have transitioned 20+ years ago are few and far in between.
this shit is gonna hit a big wall once these trenders that have actually gone under the knife cant avoid the effects of aging anymore. literally the living definition of short term pleasure for long term pain.
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https://web.archive.org/web/20240430201050/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/30/nhs-sex-biological-landmark-shift-against-gender-ideology/It appears the Cass Report has made UK institutions realise this clownery is unsustainable. Kek
>The NHS is to declare that sex is a matter of biology in a landmark shift against gender ideology.
>Changes to the health service’s written constitution proposed by ministers will for the first time ban trans women from women-only wards, and give women the right to request a female doctor for intimate care.
>The NHS constitution, a document that aims to set out the principles and values of the health service and legal rights for patients and staff, was last updated in 2015. It has to be updated at least every 10 years by the Secretary of State.
>Campaigners for women’s rights welcomed the significant shift, which comes after years of wrangling and follows accusations that the health service had been captured by “gender ideology”.
>In 2021, NHS guidance said trans patients could be placed in single-sex wards based on the gender with which they identified.
>The new constitution will state: “We are defining sex as biological sex.” No. 1986554
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>>1968523Nonna you live in Japan? I am so happy to know that there are other peaked nonnas living here. I am desperate for someone to talk to about this stuff, especially since in the last two years I’ve seen more (Japanese) troons (pic related, just 2 of a handful I’ve seen now. I know these are creepshots but they are troons so idc). There was one on my train home the other day and he kept staring at me. Even with a mask covering his face it was so obvious. A few months ago I clocked one in the women’s only carriage and gave him the dirtiest look. He was so fidgety and gross, probably got off on invading a female only space. Anyway godspeed nonna, I wish I could be your friend.
No. 1986800
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This is the moid who calls you a "chud" because you think TIMs are men.
No. 1986852
>>1986816I am in general very in favor of 'my body my choice' in medical contexts and in some cases I think safeguarding has actually gone too far (like with opioids, controversial take I know, but I think there should be more patient choice about whether they are willing to take the risk when they have severe pain issues). They're an adult let them do what they want was always my take before including with stuff like euthanasia.
But I actually think there's a crucial difference between these things and something like trans surgeries, several crucial differences actually. First of all someone needs to actually do the butchering, and it doesn't serve any real medical purpose, so doctors are essentially being roped into participating in the harm and mutilation of a patient that has no demonstrated clinical benefits. With my opioid example, there is a risk of addiction, but there is also a long-standing, proven clinical benefit of opioids as analgesics and a doctor could rightly say they feel they are helping or reducing harm to a patient by allowing them to treat their pain. In the case of 'GRS' butchery or puberty blockers, there is no real science demonstrating any benefit, it is completely irreversible, and what's more it's being pushed increasingly for children, so doctors are being asked to harm patients for no known benefit and break their Hippocratic oath. For another, these surgeries are increasingly covered by public or private insurance, basically taking money from people paying in for real medical emergencies. IMO if someone is able to pay up front the 40k or whatever they need for SRS or FFS or whatever, that's one thing, but no one ELSE should pay for that. I also have a controversial view on smoking (haven't seen convincing science that tobacco is anywhere near as harmful as it's said to be) but at least smokers pay for their own care and more through extremely high tobacco tax at the source in most countries. Troons aren't paying extra 'troon tax' they just steal completely from other taxpayers or other people on the same private insurance plan. So it's a double whammy of forcing doctors to be complicit in unambiguous physical harm with no proven clinical benefit, and forcing everyone else who pays for medical insurance to be complicit as well.
It's overplayed but if 'my body my choice' was true for everything in the medical system why not do amputations for people with BID, free lipo for anorexics, etc.? Because our medical system operates with a mandate of avoiding harm first and foremost. There is nothing ambiguous about the fact that these procedures are harmful to the body, and there is no convincing evidence they are helpful to the mind.
No. 1986869
>>1986554Were you at? I have never met another foreign woman who wasn’t an obvious handmaiden or libfem at best but also I’m in Nagoya which doesn’t have a lot of foreigners to begin with. I have only seen two Japanese troons in 5 years and they were both egregious, both older fat guys and with laughable “outfits” (cheap spaghetti strap dress and flip flops, and leather jacket/pink miniskirt/heels you know perfect spring matsuri drip). I have seen several troon tourists though of course. And always the endless Reddit threads of trannies asking how far the country/english schools will bend over for them ugh
I’m very worried a 5 yr old boy in one of my classes is being trooned out by his mom. My older Japanese coworker was like “it’s ok now but what’s (he) gonna do when he gets a bit older” when taking the class to the bathroom. I make it clear I think it’s insane without stepping on any toes lol. I decided though if we have to officially change him from male to female on our charts or something I’m gonna fight.
No. 1986927
>>1986852Other people's "wants" just do not override the law, a man begging to be stabbed doesn't mean I'm legally allowed to do it to him. Neither is it ethical on any level of me to stab him, even if he is literally telling me to do it to him and that it's ok.
There's ALWAYS going to be people who want bad things, but it's just not ethical to give it to them. Plenty of mentally ill people are so in a way that makes them "appear" sane and normal, except that no mentally sane person would for example want their dick to be cut off. The want for those bad things ARE the mental illness in that case.
No. 1986932
>>1986927AYRT, yeah I completely agree. I'm just explaining my thought process from when I was younger and more taken in by TRA logic, I had this simplistic thought of 'your body your choice' but asking that other people (professionals who swore an oath to do no harm) be roped into your insane self-harm mentality is irrational and
abusive.
I think for things that have a proven benefit/trade-off compared to risks it should really be up to the person but gender surgeries are just self-harm, straight up. It's not like giving someone pain meds for suffering that can't be stopped any other way or abortion or whatever. I don't think doctors who don't want to do abortions should be forced to either, but there is literally no reason to rope other people into cutting off some creepy autist's dick because he wants it, if he wants to cut off his dick so bad he can do it himself.
No. 1986935
>>1986322>"It's because we're on the right side of history!"Ironically I do feel very confident as a
terf because I fully believe I am on the "right side of history" with my views kek
Kids/teens ARE having their healthy body parts cut off in an attempt to fix their mental health problems. That's a neutral fact of what is happening, all you have to do is decide if you're on the side that think that's a good thing, or a bad thing. I believe that it's bad. It's really as simple as that.
I would like every person who is pro child/teen-transition to confidently say the phrase "I believe cutting off the healthy body parts of mentally ill kids/teens is the right thing to do to help them.". I'm fully able to say the opposite position out loud because I truly from the bottom of my heart believe in it - so I want to hear them all to say it too. If they truly believe in it, it shouldn't be hard to say it and they should proudly shout it out.
No. 1986939
>>1986935saged for blog but my mom has been mad at my dad for like 8 years because when canada had the bill C16 thing (basically forcing people to use preferred pronouns) and she pointed out the problems with this he was like 'oh if problems come up we can deal with them then!' and this is what I've heard a lot of TRA-adjacent people say when they defend pro-tranny 'rights' laws and regulations.
You know you're absolutely not on 'the right side of history' if you can already identify that a law has the potential to be horribly abused to harm women, children, etc. but you think that if problems come up they can be dealt with later. You already know the new law or social standard is a potential problem. I think all these people saying they're on the right side of history are just pushing their luck, knowing troon shit will likely ruin society but hoping they get asspats for being one of the radical people who supports it anyway for the time being pretending it won't fuck over women and kids. And then when it does, you get to be all outraged and pretend like oh no! You had no idea this could happen.
I think most gender ideology supporters know they're sitting on a ticking time bomb but they want to seem better than others by pretending they can't see the problems that will inevitably appear. Even if you call them out later once 90% of teen transitioning girls have detransed and are trying to sue their doctors they will say the same shit, 'oh I supported it because it seemed compassionate at the time, but now this is going too far and I'm sorry for those poor girls' never taking responsibility for the monstrosity they enable.
No. 1986940
>>1986932Yes I was agreeing with you nona!
>I think for things that have a proven benefit/trade-off compared to risks it should really be up to the person but gender surgeries are just self-harm, straight up.This is literally all it comes down to. Cutting someone up to remove cancer growths comes at a big risk - but the benefits of removing it are better so we still do it. It's why "informed consent" is SO important.
It's also one thing to for example want breast implants. No woman (hopefully) who wants or gets them thinks that is going to "affirm her identity", give her "euphoria" or
literally stop her from comitting suicide and fix her poor mental health.
It's another thing to be a man who thinks all those things WILL happen and that's why you want the surgery. It's not "informed consent" if you have delusional expectations of the surgery.
No. 1986942
>>1986869I’m in Tokyo which explains the influx of troons, it was absolutely not a thing when I first came here about 5-6 years ago, but recently the increase has definitely been noticeable, nothing compared to how it is back home (I’m British) but still, it’s depressing to see it happen here… It creeps me out seeing them irl and not just in these threads lmao. They look gross and dress so fucking bad, I don’t even like to stand near them, makes my skin itch. It’s clearly agp/a fetish with the ones I’ve seen too.
Luckily I have yet to see it affect any of my students. Respect to you, I don’t know what I’d do in your position, I like to think I’d stand up to it too but it’s easier said than done. Hopefully it doesn’t escalate and the boy just grows out of it…
Anyway I’m happy to know you exist nonna, I wish you well ! My few (gaijin) friends here are also cringe libs and handmaidens so I just try to avoid politics/certain topics altogether. It’s tough at times though.
No. 1986944
>>1986940Yup but I'd go further and say there isn't and can't be informed consent for these procedures because not only is there very little precedent for them, there's basically no standard procedure. Every surgeon who does these surgeries does them differently and that's why we get monstrosities like in the MTF thread that series of photos of dicks just pinned down and sliced through the middle, or phalloplasties using skin grafts from random pieces of the body, etc. I'm not a big fan of standard plastic surgeries either but usually they follow some standard procedure, these surgeries don't and there's basically no data on long term use of cross-sex hormones, puberty blockers etc. What's even more disturbing is the people who get these surgeries often actively avoid learning about the downsides or what the outcomes are like before they get them - if you lurk MTF or FTM subs enough you see that a lot of these people had literally no idea what they were in for and had only looked at a handful of results photos, didn't know about the dilation process or whatever beforehand. Even for relatively minor shit I'm on that I need to be on my doctors have gone through a laundry list of potential side effects before even prescribing but these people are undergoing cosmetic surgeries with random doctors not knowing what aftercare it will entail, how likely it is they'll need revisions, or what it may or may not look like after. IDK if there's even an ethical way to study these surgeries (imo no) but since so many are being done you'd think there would be rigorous studies? But nope, you can barely find any data about long term health outcomes, QOL outcomes, satisfaction, number of revisions etc. It's a literal black box and these people account for hundreds of thousands to millions lifetime health spending each, yet I need to pay for their butchery with my taxes.
No. 1986945
>>1986935>I would like every person who is pro child/teen-transition to confidently say the phrase "I believe cutting off the healthy body parts of mentally ill kids/teens is the right thing to do to help them."This should really be the new "say TWAW" but for gc people to use against pro-troon people. And if they refuse to say it - which I would fully accept because I would refuse to say it myself since I don't believe it's the right thing to do - all I want to hear is their explaination for WHY they can't say it. That IS what their side is advocating for, and it's a neutral sentence. You could change it to "surgery to remove healthy body parts" instead of "cutting off" to make it even more clean sounding.
Basically if they CAN'T say it, they're a transphobe. But if they say it in clear language they can't hide behind "didn't know it was happening, we never said it was for kids". So they'd be forced to examine what their true values are.
No. 1986996
>>1986969most people just say whatever is the nice thing to say without really thinking any deeper. ever saw a video with a guy asking random people on the street if they support womens sports? when those people went on their whole virtue signaling spiel he asked them to name a wnba team/member and none of them could do it.
People will say whatever will keep them out of the way of conflict, its one of the reasons atrocities have been able to occur throughout history.
No. 1987104
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>>1986441There's this, too
No. 1987125
>>1987115That's what the new laws are trying to stop. Previously, trans women, aka men, would be in female wards, and if they were staff, they would be seen as female staff. Any woman who dared complain that a moid was assaulting her would be shit on for misgendering a brave and stunning lady and nothing would be done.
The new constitution plans to ban words like 'chestfeeding' and put troons in their very own special safe spaces, which are located in the wards that match the troon's actual gender.
As far as I know all of this is on the back of the Cass report. Fucking finally, if my tinfoil is right it just goes to show that everyone loathes troons and the second the NHS got hold of it they did everything possible to put these fuckers back where they belong- in their own gender's spaces.
No. 1987141
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Supporting degenerate porn addicted men apparently uplifts lesbians
No. 1987207
>>1986996Did he ask them whether they support women’s sports or whether they’re fans of women’s sports? Because I support the rights of women to play sex-segregated sports but I’m not interested in watching them any more than I’m interested in watching men play sports, unless someone I personally know is playing.
>>1987023>now he’s applying for medical school to become a stem cell researcher “for personal reasons”That sounds like a villain origin story.
>>1987125I’ll never forget that woman who was raped by a TIM in a hospital ward and then told by the hospital staff that she couldn’t have been raped because there were no men on the ward, even though there was cctv footage that proved he did it. That’s just evil.
No. 1987247
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>>1987141Back in my ol' days, the video of Steven the Lesbian was taken as a joke… Now people would accept Steven being lesbian if he identifies as one.
No. 1987573
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>>1986800I think most of troon supporters are just well-meaning liberals, but the enthusiastic TRAs reveal so much about themselves, because you have obvious degenerates like that moid, but you can see the liberal identify brain-rot like the people in vidrel.
No. 1987589
>>1987573It's fascinating to me how Rowling is such a political target. Growing up in certain conservative households in the 2000's could mean that her books were unsuitable for children because of the witchcraft element, fundies doing mental gymnastics such as "exposing children to such a depiction of witchcraft was ~dangerous~" because muh satanism, etc.
Now it's the neoliberal woke crowd that has beef with her. Really funny how the dynamic changed.
No. 1987640
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For the first time I saw a tranny poster near where I live - it was sailor moon (reeeee leave my childhood icon alone) with the slogan 'arm transwomen, disarm cops'. First of all, this is Australia, almost nobody has guns here except cops and farmers. These men have never been remotely in danger, what the fuck do they need guns for?? The fucking LAST people who need them are dangerous moids in dresses who seem utterly desperate for the chance to shoot someone. But it's making me seethe extra hard because literally just weeks ago there was a mass stabbing incident nearby, targeted at women, and the guy was stopped by a female cop shooting him!! Not to mention there has been a notable increase in DV related femicide recently, or at least coverage of it. Imagine being so self centred, so entitled, so utterly fucking delusional and actively manipulative about your place in the social hierarchy, that you think YOU need guns rather than the people who are actually at risk of violence, and the people who are supposed to protect us (not that they necessarily do but I'd trust any fucking cop over a TIM at this point).
I hate them so much bros…
No. 1987644
>>1987640This probably belongs in the unpopular opinions thread not here but unironically most of the leftist/TRA hatred toward cops and specifically cops being armed feels like it's targeted against women and children to me. I don't know about third world countries but in wealthier countries cops rarely shoot and kill unarmed women and children, and the egregious hatred toward police just feels like an excuse to make women and children more vulnerable. I live in a TRA-infested liberal city and most of the 'restorative justice don't call the police' shilling I experienced in my local community was about troon rapists, hands down the most common kind of 'don't call cops' crime and after that it was non-troon liberal artiste men sexually assaulting women. Any of these people would hire private security in a heartbeat if they had the money to do so an felt genuinely under threat but they want to take away all safety and protections from women who are always the
victims, almost never the perpetrators, of their crimes.
No. 1987663
>>1987644>>1987647Yeah I agree. I mean originally cop hatred comes from reasonable places (eg racial profiling, abuses of power etc which absolutely do NOT target troons specifically) but leftist moids latched onto it because they love the idea of anarchy, safe in the knowledge that they could overpower any woman. What could appeal to a tranny more than being able to take justice into his own hands when a woman rejects or misgenders him? And of course men take comfort in the thought of women being unwilling to call the police when she feels threatened or in danger because of a man.
A lot of it is coattail riding too imo. TRAs inherently have to latch onto other causes to give themselves any credibility. ACAB is a popular movement and people take it seriously, if they link hatred of cops with the elevation of troons then they can disguise it as taking a moral high ground.
No. 1987668
>>1987640Oh my god, Austroons are the fucking worst they're so rotted by American TRA internet that they don't realise they're not in the USA. They're the people who vote for the Greens because Labor is too right wing for them but ignore the fact that the Green party is partially sockpuppeted by the coal industry and also fucking hates poor women and families and aboriginal people.
Women can't even defend themselves with pepper spray or even a newspaper here but sure the hulking unwashed moid can have a gun because the scary police who ignore domestic violence and random kidnappings and don't monitor dangerous schizos are definitely going to come after him.
No. 1987682
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Something that freaks me out when skimming old literature about sexual pathology is how similar modern age troons are across centuries. TiMs in particular are extremely predictable, down to small details like preferring blue and pink (seriously, almost all of their testimonies in Hirschfeld's studies mention these colors and what would come to constitute sissy/femboy style). Talk of having periods and becoming literally female is near-identical to current Reddit HRT posting, which tells you something about the degree of delusion they operate on and how underwhelming TiM's physical transition actually is. Even suicide and success in passing were already understood to wildly vary depending on the sex of the transvestite. I feel like the only major addition we see these days is Aidens, but it's not too shocking since women crossdress for pretty varied reasons, unlike TiMs.
The comments these doctors make on their 'cases' are strangely depressing. There is an acknowledgement of the self-deception and delusions of troons, remarks like 'every cell is sexed' but you can already sense the seeds of TRA ideology. They describe male masochists as sexual intermediaries and women who like 'shy eunuchs with beardless faces' as manly (kek). They still accept that everyone presents a mixture of masculine and feminine traits though, unlike current gendies.
It's a good reminder of how much western societies have regressed in our analysis of sex and gender. Not only honest discussion about the actual appearance and motives of TiPs has been suppressed, but the 'defective weak man = woman' logic has been pushed to its extreme logical conclusions. As bizarre and unsavory troons are to the general public, the underlying logic isn't foreign to classic misogyny and the way most people understand gender norms. Most sensible people react strongly to shit like men in womens' bathrooms, but the extreme loathing for womanhood required to accept that mutilated men are women is extremely common. There is a massive reservoir of weak-willed women who feel honored by moids' interest in femininity, which is just as responsible for troon acceptance as factors like peer pressure or witch-hunting.
Now that governements are trying to rectify their mistakes, it's very likely that troons will shift their discourse ('AGP acceptance', freedom of dress) to dodge the backlash and present themselves as honest and reasonable, even though we know perverts are never quite honest. They might even cheer on the death of self-ID because the more insane pro-troon measures are what jeopardized their movement in the first place.
All the moids who pretended to be feminist in 2010 and pretended to care about 'trans kids' in 2020 will shake their heads and move on to the next acceptable lefty cause, never ever questioning their disregard for the woman's question. A lot of people will pretend to have never held pro-trans views now that it's not so advantageous and i really hope it comes back to bite them in the ass
>>1987644Very true. Cops and more largely, state authority represents a weak but tangible threat to male violence and the sanctity of privacy. TRAs think exactly like fundies who want to abuse children in peace, it's all about designing a space that's 'above' law and state intervention. The women caught in these circles/religions/areas are fair game, expendable. Restorative justice is simply your typical denial of (C)SA but with a progressive bow slapped on it. It's ironically terribly un-radical and liberal to believe in restorative justice, since its explicit aims are conflict avoidance and flattening real social issues.
No. 1987693
>>1987682Where/when are these screenshots from nona? Truly fascinating, especially the pseudo-periods and 'feeling their dick is a clit' ones. I wish more people were aware of this so some normies could see through how fake the 'HRT periods' and 'HRT girldick/clit' nonsense actually is. I'd love to read these full papers though.
Regarding restorative justice I have literally never seen it suggested for any male on male violent crime or even theft, when men are stolen from they want their things/money back and compensated, not an apology. Which was what 'restorative justice' was originally for - it was shit like poor homeless kids shoplifting and then being told to work at the shop to make up for the goods they stole. Every single restorative justice struggle session/apology circle in my community I heard about was forcing a rape or SA
victim to come face to face with her abuser with a bunch of mediators, use his preferred pronouns and gently talk to him about how bad the rape made her feel, then publicly forgive him and promise not to let him experience any consequences. Whenever any
victim experienced discomfort with this idea she was socially ostracized as an 'oppressor' of marginalized men. I know cops can be really shitty and violent (I've personally witnessed it several times) but at least the threat of calling cops imposes a threat of consequences on these predators and that's what they hate the most about armed police existing, not the fact that they beat their wives more often than other men or tend to take out their moid rage on unsuspecting
victims at protests or whatever.
No. 1987729
>>1987693Hirschfeld's 'The Transvestites: The Erotic Urge To Crossdress' and Von Krafft-Ebing's 'Psychopathia Sexualis'. They're both on Anna's archive/Z-Lib.
>was forcing a rape or SA victim to come face to face with her abuser with a bunch of mediatorsIt's
always this. Always. I hate how slimy their arguments are, too. They will pretend to care about the despair women feel at the state of justice for rape, only to suggest it's pointless to fight and try their ''''solution''''.
No. 1987795
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Daniel Radcliffe is SUCH a coward, he wouldn't be a gryffindor at all. And acting/implying JKR doesn't support LGB rights is so gross of him, one of the reasons she's against troonism is because they're fucking homophobic! He's already rich and he's still trying to save his own ass only.
I wanted to believe he's at least giving her a chance and listening to her side in private, but I doubt it now. I think he put his fingers in his ears and went "lalala can't hear". Children are literally being mutilated, castrated and damaged FOR LIFE. Women are being called bleeders, menstruators, womb-havers… while men get to be called "women" and get let into our spaces to prey on us. And Daniel Radcliffe can't even acknowledge there's any kind of issue at all because he's a fucking coward.
No. 1987802
>>1987729Thanks nona I will read them! Yeah I can't really imagine anything more cruel than using mass social pressure to make a woman face and publicly forgive her rapist and threaten her that it would be betraying the community/she'll be excommunicated if she pursues legal action for her abuser, while also letting the rapist keep his prominent position in that same community. A lot of people end up leaving my city after a few years in the part of the city that houses most of the 'queer artist' community after every bridge has been burned and they feel like half the people there are predators, I don't blame them at all. I remember a party once with some people from that social milieu who brought their gay genderqueer guy friend and we were discussing a male serial rapist who raped another girl's best friend and then changed his pronouns to 'they' once multiple women outed him. My (at the time themby, she peaked now thank god) friend dared to call the rapist 'he' and the one guy in the group started screeching about how just because THEY are a rapist it's not an excuse to do literal violence to THEM by misgendering them. Misgendering literally kills people! I will never forget the look on most of those girls' faces and most of them moved to rural areas a year or two after.
>>1987795It makes me feel better to think/hope that in a few years once it's exposed how grotesque this all is everyone will have receipts for every one of these slimy celebs talking about how completely and fully they support child mutilation and blatant misogyny. I hope these people eventually get cancelled for their support of this shit the way they tried to cancel Rowling and other terves for actually caring about gay kids and women.
No. 1987838
>>1987831I feel the same way too even with all of the news about the Cass Review and countries going back on gender affirming care plans. Even if a lot of normies peak I just can't see the left ever going a step back on the troon stuff especially when you have conservatives and people like Matt Walsh/Libs of TikTok at the forefront so anything critical is seen as nazism. Supporting them is basically ingrained in the movement. People were making fun of neopronouns and he/him lesbians in 2016 and now it's accepted as the LGBT zeitgeist, there's just no line that can be drawn with sexuality/gender for leftists.
There might be pushback now but it's mainly in Europe, pretty much no one in NA is talking about the Cass Review stuff. And honestly as transitioning becomes better from scientific advancements, people will be more accepting of trannies. The vast majority of people don't really care about the "what is a woman" debate, defining sex, and what have you. They just see weird ugly men in dresses and think it's wrong. I really hope it isn't the case but I'm keeping my expectations low honestly.
No. 1987840
>>1987802>It makes me feel better to think/hope that in a few years once it's exposed how grotesque this all is everyone will have receipts for every one of these slimy celebs talking about how completely and fully they support child mutilation and blatant misogynyThe gossiper in me is honestly so smug and excited about it kek, I can't wait to watch them all finally get called out. To have them try to silently remove themselves but get cancelled a few years later anyway when receipts resurface. People like him will try to speak out about a future issue and commenters just going "this you supporting child mutilation???" with his own words thrown back at him.
Troons are wrong that living as a woman is "easy mode", what IS living on easy mode is simply having morals and knowing that your position of NOT supporting child mutilation and castration is the right side to be on. There is nothing they can say that would make me think mutilating the 100% healthy body of a child is the right thing to do, and believe me I am absolutely listening and examining every. single. argument. they give for it. We all are, we want to understand how they all came to such a horrid conclusion.
I think out of him and Emma Watson, Emma would be the one to peak since she's a woman who will actually have to face the negative consequences of predatory troons in her spaces. But she's currently so woke and has been so vocal I think if she ever comes crawling back it will be once the public has already tipped over and turned against troons.
No. 1987848
>>1987831>Not to sound like a doomer but do you guys really think the tide will change on this one? I'm not so hopeful. I think the GC crowd will unfortunately continue to be on the "wrong" side of history with this one.Honestly all it takes is for kids to turn gc and anti-trans. That's how it started and that's how it can end. It's gonna be easy for kids to clown on the future young adults for having been stupid enough buy into it the trans cult, just like how it's easy for millenials to go "boomer this boomer that". They'll be like "shut up zoomer Zoe, you thought playing with a toy car made you a boy so go eat some birdseeds and jump off a cliff to fly away". And because it IS mostly a fashion fad for kids it WILL fade away, they all do - especially one like this that is objectively ugly (pube-stached, wrinkly-faced young girls with frog voices just isn't something I see keeping popularity for too long).
Look at it like this: There are 3 kinds of people.
>Normie, trans-supporter, and peaked A normie can become a trans-supporter OR peak. A trans-supporter can't go back to being a normie, they can only peak. A peaked person can't ever become a normie or trans-supporter again. Peaked is the only fixed state of the 3, and it's the only final destination that is reachable from all starting positions.
No. 1987922
>>1987644I never trust any moids who are against cops and things like the death penalty precisely because of this, it really just feels like they're just using the police violence, abuse of power etc as a cover for their own crimes or being against it to protect their fellow moids. The amount of retarded moids I've seen who act like it's totes unreasonable for a woman to want a mass shooter incel to be put to death or a rapist to be imprisoned for life under the guise of being oh so empathetic is staggering. It comes off like they might be a potential criminal themselves. Meanwhile, they want jkr and other women in jail for thought crimes and consider "terfs" irredeemable lol. Their empathy only ever extends to fellow moids including trannies
>>1987831I think the tides are changing but it's so painfully slow that it's normal to lose hope and just feel exhausted by this shit after so many years. Really wish the average person wasn't so retarded
No. 1987932
>>1987848>Look at it like this: There are 3 kinds of people. >Normie, trans-supporter, and peaked >A normie can become a trans-supporter OR peak. A trans-supporter can't go back to being a normie, they can only peak. A peaked person can't ever become a normie or trans-supporter again. Peaked is the only fixed state of the 3, and it's the only final destination that is reachable from all starting positions.Great way to put it, I like your explanation
My only question is how do you justify people who peak and then go back to supporting trans views? Or people on the center who don't necessarily support trans ideology, might even be against it, but are more of a "live and let live" type of person?
No. 1987939
>>1987932NTA, but not supporting everything troons say immediately places you in a
TERF category and makes you a public enemy, there’s nothing surprising about people turning back or staying quiet regardless of what they really think.
No. 1987945
>>1987942The only problem is, most of these events only ever peak women. Men who are goodie two shoes don't listen to us (my moid hates listening to my
terf takes, he's the lamest pacifist centrist ever). And more and more men want to justify fucking trannies because "they're actually women". These men profit from and love strip clubs.
Men will never listen. The only men against this shit are conservative retards and I hate them as well. They lump all the LGB with the T, are anti abortion, want tradwives, etc you know the gist. And I'm sure they still fuck trannies behind everyone's back.
No. 1987948
>>1987932I had a supposed "
terf" friend and she ended fucking a tranny and using she/her for that guy immediately after. I don't like how some people can go back to being unpeaked because of societal pressures.
No. 1987982
>>1987934it does feel like there need to be some massive scandals that they can't just wave off as le right wing conspiracy or whatever. those leaked medical documents a while back felt like they fit that category but they once again just wave it off as not being a big deal somehow.
>>1987945nonna I relate, it's so frustrating how men act like they're so empathetic and pacifist or whatever but stay silent about this and act like you're a bigot for complaining. like, if they're a goody two shoes you'd think they would want to protect us, but nope. they're only ever interested in being nice and righteous when it's about other moids or their perceived judgement of what's right or wrong as was fed to them by society, they simply want to LOOK like the good guys, but they lack any actual morality of their own, hence why they don't see any of this tranny shit as wrong. it's so frustrating being an actually good person in society because you just end up surrounded by retards who think they're "doing the right thing" while lacking any actual values, then turn around and say you're actually the bad one with no self awareness at all. it's definitely rare to find any moids who actually agree with being against trannies for the right reasons, I only know like 2-3 men who aren't right wing retards but also dislike gender ideology. The only correlation I can find between them is that they're definitely straight and would never fuck a tranny, so maybe that's why.
>>1987932honestly, the loneliness and general isolation you feel after you've peaked is something most people can't really handle, so it doesn't surprise me if some of them would walk back into being a TRA. I'm secure in my values and would never support gender shit but it does get very lonely
No. 1987993
>>1987932>how do you justify people who peak and then go back to supporting trans views? ayrt the ONLY such cases I've seen have been mentally ill "clout chasers", for a lack of a better term. Typically autists or just straight up deranged people, they never truly peaked, but actually just got upset with the trans community (they probably told them off for acting too weird even for them) and left essentially just to spite them. Once they realize the GC/
terf community isn't going to pander to them either they once again become mad and go back to the trans side, using this new "inside information of terfs" to gain favor with the trans community. It's likely they do this back and forth a few times, until they find a new unrelated group to suck up to.
So they never actually peaked, they never realized the harms the trans community does: they simply just got mad at the trans community for personal reasons.
>Or people on the center who don't necessarily support trans ideology, might even be against it, but are more of a "live and let live" type of person?I'd call them a form of normie, or a "light" trans-supporter. So they still fall into the initial 3 groups.
No. 1988008
>>1987945>The only problem is, most of these events only ever peak women.The men at my office (all 40+, all into some form of sport) got peaked from a male competing in sports with women. I could tell they were a tiny bit apprehensive about it at first but when they asked me (the only female around at the time) and I was like "yeah fuck those MEN it's obvious what they're doing and you know they don't even do any surgeries right?" it clicked for them too. I've been to work meetings with my boss and he later pointed out and made fun of troons that even I missed at first kek
So some of them are definitely peaking from all those things.
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>>1986800Reminds me of this.
No. 1988044
>>1987831Absolutely. Trannies have worked long and hard to make themselves despised by everyone. Now laws are being passed to protect women and children, the harm that troon and cis moids cause women is being more openly discussed, and the harm from surgeries and gender treatments is beginning to be acknowledged. A lot of normies have been peaked or on the way to peaking for quite some time, and the massive support for these common-sense laws shows just how sick everyone is of troons and their bullshit.
>>1987945I know a lot of guys who are viscerally disgusted by troons of all varieties and most of them peaked after coming across AGP shit randomly on Twitter. Most of them are parents or have young nieces and nephews so it hit them hard. Now that it's marginally safer for detransitioners to talk about their experience I've even seen parents of trans kids, who were previously diehard TRAs, begin to openly doubt whether encouraging their kids to troon out instead of seeing a therapist was the best idea. I've also found that anyone who avoids a topic entirely, like your moid seems to do, is afraid that acknowledging those topics or ideas will make them change their minds. He's potentially close to peaking, be subtle about your ebil terven rhetoric and he'll get there faster.
>>1987948BPD?
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>>1987644100% is. I follow this one instagram account just as an lolcow for their wacky takes and they recently made an "abolish all prisons" posts and the FIRST slide after was "what about the rapists?" Which was met with handwaving "they usually know each other" and then saying prison wouldn't solve the problem, but also offered no solution. So don't imprison the rapists? Coddle them until they don't rape? I didn't get the ACAB stuff, I thought it was a weird concept in general and police reform might be better, but it all makes sense once you realize that it's not
victims perpetuating this stuff but the actual criminals/rapists/thieves themselves
No. 1988255
>>1987644I’m from a European country with significantly less police violence than the US but I know many terminally online people who parrot the US rhetoric around cops wholesale. And yes, it hasn’t escaped me that the marginalised moids we (good lefties uwu) are supposed to protect by never ever calling the police no matter what they do are practically always perpetrators of VAWG, often domestic violence. I had an upstairs neighbour who screamed and threw things at the woman he lived with on a daily basis and at one point we called the police because he was yelling about killing her and throwing her body off the balcony. When we recounted this story later people actually got mad at us because what if the police had hurt the poor moid?? He’s marginalised!! Zero consideration for his female
victim, even though she was marginalised in the exact same way he was. To these people, women are just sponges made to absorb male violence. Our lives don’t matter, only the feelings of men.
>>1987682>how similar modern age troons are across centuriesThis struck me too when I was reading about TIMs from the past. Another thing many if not most have in common is that they’ll claim to be intersex or “biologically part woman” even though there is no evidence for any kind of DSD. Chevalier d’Éon at one point claimed to be partially female but his autopsy revealed him to be a completely normal (fat) male. His contemporary portrait also shows him to have looked like a regular man wearing women’s clothing. IIRC ‘Lili’ Elbe also falsely claimed to be some kind of intersex.
>the extreme loathing for womanhood required to accept that mutilated men are women is extremely commonI think that even when gender ideology loses popularity it will be difficult to get men, including normie non-TRA men, to accept surgically modified TIMs as fellow men. Men trying to eject other men from manhood for not being manly enough is such a consistent trend throughout most of human history that I’m sure we won’t be rid of it so easily, especially when the ejected subcategory of men have had their chest and genitalia carved up to (poorly) resemble those of women. I expect there will be a shift towards categorising TIMs as not-quite-women (because men don’t want to fuck them) but also not-really-men (because men don’t want to share a category with them). Never underestimate how
embarrassing troons are to men as a class.
>>1987942But the radium girls didn’t peak wider society on radium, the death of well known socialite and sportsman Eben Byers did. If a famous rich man hadn’t died from drinking radium elixirs I doubt those female factory workers would’ve publicly seen any semblance of justice at all. Likewise I’m sure we’re going to have to have one or more well known male detransitioners before public opinion truly turns.
No. 1988309
>>1987831AYRT and late but yes I think so. As other people mentioned, the Cass review, WPATH files an other documents being released has helped, and a lot of EU countries and the UK are backtracking on trans healthcare as are a lot of sports organizations. I know it is still bad in North America, but at the end of the day this is a culture thing not just a legal thing, and culturally I think the tides are already shifting. Most of my millennial friends in NA who use to be pro-trans are either openly peaked now or just getting annoyed and suspicious about the whole thing, very few people have openly promoted TRA stuff in my (formerly completely lib/leftist) circles since about 2020-2021.
I think one of the biggest factors is going to be detransitioners and desisters. Once the number of young people experiencing serious side effects and health problems from HRT/puberty blockers/etc. becomes overwhelming, I think people are going to start to talk about this a lot more and see it as generally grotesque, even on the left. You already see that most of the right and most normies are aware of how bad things are getting in, e.g., schools, with trans propaganda and ROGD, so just give it a few more years for that wave of kids who were put on hormones and lupron to grow up a little and start waking up to what was done to them.
No. 1988325
>>1987831It’s all economic. Women got an initial leg up from WWII when they were needed economically and men had to hire them because factory jobs needed to be filled and there was no one else, it wasn’t feasible to import foreign men en masse. Fast forward to today, labor is over supplied from open border policies and men don’t want to take an economic L on their one life having to compete with both unlimited cheap labor and women, since complaints about unfettered immigration will label you a racist and a nazi and threaten your livelihood, men don’t mobilize against immigration, in fact more men with conservative views on women bolsters their power as a voting block against women and can be utilized to help force women out of the workforce into being whores and bangmaids. men who can’t compete with other men in the workforce seethe that a tiny minority of women who are whores make too much money, so they don the programmer socks and wigs to try and force them out to compete for what they view as much easier money that satisfies their ego and has no social penalties, because sex work is work, of course. Life in the west for women is becoming sharia without the veil, increasingly sex-segregated, with fewer options for autonomy and self-actualization. The west has determined that the concept of a society is racist, upholding western values is imperialism, and a nation is not a project worth sustaining, so to maximize profits they will keep labor oversupplied until there are no more third worlders willing to work for less. Countries attempt to be the outsourced labor and factory for the shortest time possible to not be on the bottom of this new emergent hierarchy, this lower wages musical chairs that is happening so broadly. Nations decaying won’t matter because the wealthy elite can disrupt and displace any small country they feel will please their tastes and live anywhere. Smaller western countries becoming self-sufficient and isolated from the big three powers is a way out of this global neo-feudalism and the only hope for women.
No. 1988355
>>1987945If it makes you feel any better I know tons of moids in my personal life who will listen to and agree with women's
terf takes and none of them are conservatives. They're out there but a lot of them just aren't as public/aggressive about their views as conservative alt-right type men. I think it will mostly be up to women to stop this because there's more at stake for women but tons of men are tired of playing pretend too, they're just not as personally invested.
No. 1988587
>>1988134Bisexual pervert, but yeah, it's widely known that he's a sex addict in rehab.
>>1988201The bar is very low, but regular men don't pass it, let alone men who so openly love fucking trannies.
No. 1988601
>>1988281Thanks for catching that, i actually forgot about the historical meaning of blue. But yes, it's amazing how the reference to childhood remains through the ages, it's hard to ignore how creepy their imagery is once you make the connection
>>1988309>most normies are aware of how bad things areYeah, zoomers/gen alpha or whatever are already much more cynical about gender ideology. Even the ones with pronouns treat like a game and don't commit to HRT as much because they're not starved for approval like millenials and older gen Z. In 2014 you'd see much more trutrans dysphoria talk, now it's been replaced with 4tran humor. Give it ten more years and trans will be the most embarrassing thing ever in the eyes of young people
>>1988325Nice analysis. The horror 'neolibs' display at any kind of collective organization and state-building (beyond supporting some industries) lies at the heart of all this. It's more profitable to bury women in neo-feudal isolation than to provide them with state support for child rearing, more profitable to extract resources and labor from the third world than to control borders etc. This is why anglo countries fell so hard for the trans meme. Gender ideology is the liberal promise of absolute 'freedom' and individualism. Without overarching authorities to push back against perversions of care, you can easily provide costly unethical treatment in black box hospitals and clinics. Other countries do slightly better because elements of their culture/economic structure neuters the profit incentive of troon ideology (something like french/swedish healthcare coverage, japanese protectionism, chinese centralization etc).
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https://www.thecut.com/article/going-through-it-advice-dei-trainer-kink.htmlHilarious article exemplifying all the failings of queer theory and gender bullshit: Themlet attempts to thought correct coworkers on pronoun woowoo, has a diversity training imposed on (what I believe to be) her office, trainer begins to force fetish shit onto everything. Hilarity ensues.
I have no proof the trainer is a scrote, but also very little doubt.
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>>1988666Picrel was hilarious too
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>>1988708>>1988713This might be too subtle but here you go. I also added the nonbinary flag in honor of the they/thems and an obligatory progress flag.
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potential next threadpic maybe
No. 1989583
>>1989096The hormonal disorders thing is insane, both PCOS and endometriosis (which are the usual disorders they call 'intersex' and much more common than real intersex conditions) are caused by extremely high estrogen levels in young women. The best and most effective treatments for PCOS actually involve lowering estrogen (sometimes testosterone as well, but oftentimes testosterone will go down on its own once the extra estrogen is lowered) and most of the actual effects of PCOS are very female-specific ones like changes in fat distribution, potential infertility, very heavy/long or infrequent or irregular periods, changes to hair growth etc. from normal female patterns. The worst PCOS symptom I personally got was 1 year of uterine haemorrhage basically nonstop, I can tell you it's the manliest most masculine thing ever to be bleeding out of your vagina 100% of the time and constantly be going for cervical cancer screenings. Very common manly male thing to experience.
These guys won't even educate themselves enough on PCOS (or endo, which basically just causes really ultra hyper painful heavy periods) to realize that they're disorders caused by too much female hormone, not too little. They are the actual opposite of intersex conditions, even if some women (a minority) with PCOS grow a bit of a beard. Nothing makes you more constantly aware of your femaleness than having a female reproductive disorder.
No. 1989694
>>1989583It’s 100% the facial hair that makes them equate PCOS to maleness. They don’t care about all the icky female reproductive stuff. That doesn’t matter to them. Female is when long hair and boobies. Menstruation is when crying and chocolate.
One time a TRA came at me with the old “Well how about people who’ve had a hysterectomy? Are they women?” and I replied that only women can have hysterectomies. It completely shut him up and he just left without saying anything else. I just thought, how did you not see that one coming? How many males do you know who’ve had to have their uterus removed? The female reproductive system is something completely abstract to them. Just words they throw at le terves as a gotcha, but not something they’ve ever had to seriously consider for even a second.
No. 1989740
>>1989694It must be the facial hair/occasionally head-hair loss combo but that's actually not super common in PCOS women. Like yes most women with PCOS will have some level of hirsutism but knowing several women with PCOS, none of them have to shave or anything, they just pluck like stray wirier hairs on their chin or upper lip that they have a few of, or their 'peach fuzz' grows a little longer but stays basically invisible. PCOS women with full beards are maybe like 5-10% of women with PCOS at most, from my experience? I didn't develop hirsutism and I have a full super thick head of hair and a very feminine body type even after I gained weight, PCOS made me look way less androgynous if anything because I used to have a skinny up and down model body type before. But somehow I am subjected to all these crazy men's takes about how I'm basically intersex and practically male now that I have worse periods and way bigger boobs than I had before from a disease that exclusively affects actual women. Even the infertility thing is extremely overblown, my doctor told me most of her patients with PCOS have gotten pregnant naturally.
The endometriosis thing is even more strange to pitch as an 'intersex' condition because it doesn't cause any of the hirsutism, hair loss, weight gain or anything else, it literally just causes extra endometrial tissue and heavier period bleeding. Like how is that in any way something men can relate to?
Of course you're 100% correct that these men don't think about female reproductive functions on even the most surface level when they say these things but that's what makes it so extra offensive. They're offending intersex people, and women, just because they can't be bothered to spend 10 min googling 'what is a period' or 'what is PCOS caused by.'
No. 1989943
>>1989788Honestly I have no idea. I would assume that someone would have to provide assistance dilating if it's considered medically necessary and not harmful to the patient (although it's hard to imagine that it
wouldn't be. Skin loses elasticity with age). With dementia you're supposed to go with their perceived reality and not distress them with contradictions or hard truths, but how can you do that if their reality is that their dick is missing? I'm curious about your relatives
>>1989789 and how common of an encounter this is because I haven't seen this yet myself but I'm sure there are at least a handful of TIPs who are in care.
No. 1989948
>>1989943I'm the anon with the 2 relatives in geriatric care and they don't do dilation anymore on patients that old, anyway those patients with dementia are horrified by their SRS neo-genitals and lament their lack of dick constantly. No one is worried to keep a crotch wound open in a geriatric person. But they do have to provide wound and infection care if it happens in the genital area which is very uncomfortable for both patient and provider.
This might actually change because my relatives work for the NHS and the NHS is now backtracking on 'gender' based treatments so they may actually go back to being allowed to treat these people as their natal sex, but until now they were forced to tell distressed old men who didn't remember transitioning that they're women and call them by a female name, it was truly horrific.
From what they told me they have had at least 3 long-term patients like this that they personally cared for and a few more short-term patients and except for a couple of the short-term patients who did not have dementia and were still kind of play-acting being laydeez (not very faithfully though, like mixing up their own pronouns and stuff a lot despite the lack of dementia), the ones with actual dementia were all extremely distressed, confused, and hysterical. I don't think it's extremely common because they care for hundreds of patients but it's common enough that they've said they usually have at least 1 patient on the floor who has this issue.
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>>1990137jesus fucking christ. i wanted to hatewatch too but that scrote's voice is so repulsive that im considering just watching it muted with subs on. how does anyone endure this? tiktok text-to-speech wouldve been less grating
No. 1990167
>>1990137>complains about normal medium quality webcomic things (changing art style, tropes etc.) but because the artist is "bigoted" it's fine to dunk on>"she literally believes that beliving trans women are women is a cult-like mentality that you need to keep brainswashig yourself into believing">several tangents about how lesbians must know everything about TIPs and how they think because they're "queer">brushes over the fact that Blair is supposed to be representative of the sneakier manipulative parts of the TRA community because "muh strawman">concerned about the fact the artist is dunking on the Boyfriends creator because she's a TIF but not because she's a proshipper>yaoi tangent for no reason>thinks that transphobes are getting their input from 4chan and not from the horse's mouths and real life experinces>doesn't think that TIPs are constantly trying to trans other people or are misogynists>"transition tee hee">downplays the abusive husband/step-father backstory even though femicide is a pretty bad issue in Australia (not that he would know)Jesus christ this was hard to sit through.
Also looking through the comments people seem to not realise that Jaden and the other dark skinned people are Australian Aboriginal (obviously most are American), who have different struggles and sterotypes to African Americans so their critiques can't apply lmao.
No. 1990222
>>1987795I disagree, Peter Pettigrew was a Gryffindor and he sold his friends out in the blink of an eye. Daniel is clamming up about the tranny shit because he knows the tide is turning, but it hasn't turned enough for him to actually apologize. What a massive coward indeed.
>>1989948Good lord. That's literal elder abuse, except if they don't do it they lose their jobs. Actual nightmare shit. Thank god the NHS is finally putting common sense laws in place.
No. 1990229
>>1989789>they literally do have to explain daily to these men that 'you are a woman actually' and 'yes your dick is missing because you cut it off because your name is Sally now' and yes it is extremely traumatizing for the patient.Now that's just karma. I don't ususally wish harm on people, but when women have been telling you to stop larping as us, that it is actively hurting us and our rights, to stop denying basic science and they still go "no I AM a woman you bigot
terf, shut up and raped by a girldick, just be kind" you had it coming for you.
I really do wish they'd do big documentaries on it, showing people this is often the end result. So even if they don't care about women they get to see the "poor twanswomyn" they're "helping" are in daily traumatic psychological pain because of their actions. And also seeing them now desperately asserting they're men, despite their dicks being turned inside out - because gender identity wasn't their "true self that only they can know" after all.
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sure but it’s like a parent that likes calling their ugly child beautiful so they don’t hurt their own child’s feelings. they know what you are and you’re a man
No. 1990434
>>1990395Artemis is a
terf.
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>>1990434Aterfmis meeting a "trans woman"
No. 1990464
>>1990395I mean, wouldn't a man dressing like a woman be something like a huge insult to her? Specially knowing that the average tranny is also into larping as a little girl.
I honestly think Artemis wouldn't even act like a mom that knows that her children are fugly, she would either disregard the moids or she would even actively kill them.
No. 1990587
>>1990555My mother is a liberal who had gay friends in the 80s and is a similar boat, she's confused about the trans thing (she thinks people should be allowed to choose what lifestyle they want but doesn't think they're "really" men/women) but zoomer coworkers keep telling her she shouldn't question it. I guess for the normie older people they don't want to rock the boat. I know damn well older people who were LGB in the 70s-90s wouldn't be buying into the trans conversion therapy shit, but they seem to live in their own bubble or lay low since Fred Sargent (gay man who was at Stonewall and told how it really happened) waa beaten up by young TRAs for daring to say gays don't owe our rights to "black transwomen." But I also struggle to understand why even straight older women would buy into the transmisogyny thing when the past was even more hostile to bio women for being
female, not their "identity."
>or they weren't LGB allies and currently support the T out of a guilty conscience because they missed the first time around.Makes sense, the T movement is insanely homophobic too so becoming a TRA lets them be on the right side of history and be hostile to LGB.
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>>1990395One of Artemis' defining traits is her mistrust of moids. She wouldn't care about your "identity." She's also the goddess of chastity, so she wouldn't take kindly to trannies' porn addiction and polycules. Plus she has a role in the protection of children, which doesn't bode well if your movement specializes in giving drugs to kids that damage their bones and lower their IQ. Trannies naming themselves after her is like a vampire naming himself Helios.
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Why do these people think trannies can be differentiable from women just because they became in eunuchs?
No. 1990669
>>1990184AYRT and I'm not sure (I never specifically asked) but I suspect not. Some of the older AGP type troons didn't even take hormones back in the day, they just got surgeries and cross dressed. In palliative/geriatric care I think mostly they're just trying to keep people alive but that's just my guess since I didn't ask.
I don't think it's detrimental to the health of men not to take exogenous estrogen though. Rather the opposite.
No. 1990679
>>1990464Artemis was the goddess of chastity among other things, she would never accept coomers in her circles.
>>1990531I think a lot of boomers and gen x are just trying to be 'cool' and 'accepting' of progressive causes because they were always pro-progressivism in some form. Many of them when they were younger got roped into some form of proto-SJWism through workplace training, and were told basically to mind their own business and be sensitive to 'differences' like someone of another culture, religion, a gay person, or even a troon (they existed back then, just in smaller numbers) being in their workplace or one of their clients. They also haven't met nearly as many troons so they're more likely not to understand how degenerate they are, just to see them as some poor pitiable type of person they should empathize with from afar. I actually think it's easier for younger people to peak since we interact with these people regularly, but to older people who generally want to be nice and polite they're just a theoretical.
Back when they were younger it was less socially acceptable to literally talk about your kinks and radical political views in the workplace or social settings so they probably don't know what troons actually believe or what their motivations are either unlike those of us who have seen what they say in real life, on twitter and reddit.
>>1990587Most boomer/genx women were never that invested in feminist theory or reading Judith Butler, but they are more agreeable and prosocial so it makes sense to me that they just try to be nice to whoever they perceive as a weirdo/minority/outsider. It's just female socialization combined with cluelessness.
No. 1990759
>>1990555>a lot of liberal feminists include tranny males in their intersectional theory and are more focused on how woman = oppressed by social roles instead of woman = oppressed by biology.Preaching to the choir, I know, but part of what kills me about this is the fact that women are oppressed by the social roles that are ascribed to us on the basis of our biology. There's nothing inherently faulty about our biology, but societies all over the world have weaponized our sex and used it against us to create societies that benefit and center men. Material analysis of misogyny breaks down when you can no longer define womanhood. TIFs often struggle to articulate why they still experience misogyny even after they start taking testosterone, especially because TIMs throw a fit if they dare call it misogyny (because if TIFs experience misogyny, then they must experience male privilege, and since everything is about them, this cannot be permitted). This is why TIFs come up with stuff like "transandrophobia," they know they are still clearly suffering at the hands of a society that hates them for being born female, but they have decided not to use any of the language that describes it. And now you even hear these liberal feminists hesitating to describe misogyny on the basis of sex–they stutter over discussing period stigma, FGM, reproductive care, and any number of important feminist issues because we must be inclusive, even if it robs us of our ability to actually analyze what happens to us. I hate how this ideology has utterly decimated female class consciousness. And I also hate how intersectional feminism was so co-opted and distorted. Kimberle Crenshaw originally wanted to highlight how black women have unique experiences with oppression on the basis of their intersecting marginalized identities, and created this framework as a lens to empathize with and better understand women's varied experiences. It makes me seethe that it's become the bludgeon people use to insist we must involve males in feminism.
>>1990748Sort of? I feel like the type of TIF who wants to come across as a straight man are vanishingly rare nowadays, but I definitely see a lot of them performatively salivating over women a la the "girls pretty" meme despite not actually being interested in them. But they're usually larping as bisexual, and they will seldom actually date other women. And if they do, they will quickly come out as asexual or come up with some other excuse as to why they can't be physically intimate with her. Worst case, they "find themselves" as gay men and then dump her when they realize they aren't actually attracted to women.
No. 1991125
>>1990620I recommend the book "Desperate Remedies: Psychiatry's Turbulent Quest to Cure Mental Illness" by Andrew Scull to learn more about the history of psychiatry. For a good chunk of the field's 150 year existence, the so-called "experts" doing cutting edge science were basically psychopaths cutting people open to remove their organs and poke their brains like throwing spaghetti at a wall to see what sticks. And it makes sense in a way, throughout human history there will always be some people whose brains are just wired differently so they're plagued by hallucinations or nonsensical thoughts, or they've suffered such terrible childhood traumas that they hate themselves and their bodies, so we've turned to all sort of 'experts' (priests and witch doctors to perform exorcisms, and now psychiatrists to give us pills promoted to them by drug companies) to try and fix us.
Also I've been watching lots of documentaries about cults lately. The people who are currently Moonies, Scientologists, Orthodox Jews, Jehovas Witnesses, hardcore Q-Anon believers or Trump supporters might not realize that they're in a cult even if it's clear to those around them. Once you see how transgenderism is a cult, you can't un-see it. Eventually more people will realize it's a cult once they've witnessed it firsthand (once they've dealt with as many troon friends, relatives, classmates, coworkers, etc. as I have, for instance) or once they detrans themselves and realize that they've been sucked into a cult.
No. 1991209
>>1990180Iirc there is at most 1-2 characters who engage in fighting? And it wasn't an one-sided moid whipping every time, the flashback chapters about fleeing an
abusive husband specifically addressed this issue. A character (when she was barely a teen) who had spent a lot of time trying to become physically stronger than the adult man abusing her mom realizes that she should've played dirty and gone for the balls (in the end she did do so and it was a success, albeit with some assistance from her mom). I got the feeling that the message was that women, on average, are not as physically strong as an average man and are prevented from fighting back effectively by getting trapped by the concept of "fair play". Having less physical strength doesn't make one inferior, otherwise humans would be lesser than many animals they actually hunt. Similarly, it's perfectly fine for women to target the vulnerable body parts of shitty men trying to attack them
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That’s ok sweetie, i’m glad you you cleared up the reason. It has nothing to do with an innate gender or how you identify it’s literally so your clothes can fit a certain way! What a totally valid reason
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>>1991296Their ideology is literally about clothes and nothing else
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>>1991298Wish there were non-cringe terfy accounts on insta. How come being un-pc is acceptable but gender is where people draw the lined