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No. 2097274
This thread is to discuss your grievances with gender ideology.
>What is gender ideology? Foundational to transgenderism, gender ideology is the belief that one’s “internal gender” can contradict one’s biological sex.
Gender ideology operates much like a religious cult. There is no scientific evidence that supports the notion that we have an “internal gender,” and yet doctors now medicalize and sterilize children with “transgender identities” who have been groomed by the cult. Anyone who does not reaffirm these delusions is labelled as a “transphobe” in order to discredit any dissenting voices of the cult.
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>>>/ot/2037097>>>/ot/1894283>>>/ot/1941872>>>/ot/1991983Relevant /snow/ threads:
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No. 2097610
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Years ago I watched an interview with this tranny in my own language, the show mostly revolves around the LGBT community and their journey. He confessed that he had a wife and a kid, and before they had a child he admitted he had cheated on her multiple times with men. After they had a child, the wife really wants to get back together with him but he denies her and his children. The most selfish and devastating thing is when the interviewer mentioned his wife and kid he always tried to dismiss them and acted like they didn't exist to him anymore. He sees them as a mistake and I know for a fact he hates them because they don't play into that sick fantasy of his, that's for sure. There's nothing I hate more than trannies that troons out when they have a family and make them adhere to their troonism but acts all bitter because they have a hard time accepting it while they run off and live with their fetish.
No. 2097792
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Here's a little bit of typical anglocentric gender ideology nonsense, but paired with a refreshingly sensible response (from a TiF unfortunately, but a broken clock is right twice a day.) Translation:
>I really think we should ignore the little gringos who think they have the right to tell us what to do or not to do with our language because they didn't grow up understanding how it works or anything. We have to side not with the opinions of our communities but of the parties that share our language, because they seriously do not make an effort to even process how a fart works
No. 2097845
>>2097793I agree that their institutional power is limited. But there are some cultural changes going on that are definitely being driven by people under 30. The social customs of shit like pronouns in bios, refusing to say "woman" in discussions on periods and pregnancy, attempts to "call out" or de-person those who dissent: those are all things that were born out of Tumblr, which was predominantly female.
I believe that if we peak enough of these women, it would really help turn the tide. Once the pharma companies and male-lead activist organizations can't draft women into pushing their culture-war nonsense, it'll be a lot easier to expose their machinations. When it was revealed that Levine was pressuring WPATH into changing their SOC, and that WPATH was basically telling Johns Hopkins what results to publish, most people outside of the GC sphere weren't even aware. If we want these things to reach more people, we have to disassemble the culture of silence and shame created on social media by Mean-Girls-esque bullshit from TRAs, many of whom are female (unfortunately.) Let me be clear: men are the source of these problems, but they've successfully manipulated these women into basically covering for them.
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>Hey guys, let's not forget that the first books the Nazis burned were medical texts about sexuality and gender.
No. 2097856
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Found a handmaiden being proud of this image. You're not the "target", is the TIMs.
No. 2097925
>>2097902>Aphrodite-chanNoooo fuck why do such tims pedophilize symbols of fertility wtf what do they see women as anyway???
I have enough i just can't, sorry nonas take my vent
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There, I badly fixed the thread pic
No. 2098051
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he immediately became worse
No. 2098059
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Blogpost, but a white pill and related to trannyism
I’m in a local artist alley group (not in the anglosphere). Naturally, even outside of the angloid world, trannies have fandom communities infested, because a lot of fandom people still know English and congregate on websites where they’re recruited into the cult. There is a disgusting tranny who loves to go to every convention in cheap Aliexpress cosplay with cheap polyester wigs, you know, the type of outfit that would have nonnys on /w/ calling him a retarded e-thot if he actually was a woman. All of his “cosplays” are sexual.
Anyway, at a smaller, local con away from the capital city, a scandal happened. A cosplayer wore inappropriate sexual cosplay to a children and family event at a mall, and a parent complained because on top of that there was undressing in front of an 8 year old. As soon as that was posted to chat, I immediately thought “it’s gonna be the tranny.” It was the tranny.
I shot at the void and told the chat as much, since they all found it egregious, and got a couple responses like, ugh, I suspected it was gonna be him too. There was some slight handmaiden coping but even they had to admit undressing in front of a kid is an uncrossable line, and there’s a couple of moms, so that retardation didn’t fly. The chat then proceeded to laugh and cringe at his “cosplay performances” where he twerks his Hank Hill ass onstage terrifying everyone in the vicinity.
Sometimes it takes one based person for people to be honest, I’ve realized. If you’re safe enough be honest to your social circle and free them from the tranny brain virus. It’s doable because male trannies are perverts and female trannies are annoying enablers, and everyone knows.
No. 2098080
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I enjoy mogging the shit out of both FtMs (personality wise) and MtFs (appearance wise) by being obviously female despite only wearing jeans and hoodies and not paying attention to dumb social rules.
No. 2098085
>>2098080Quick one
There's nothing to gain for yourself mogging a Tif/FTM tranny. It just makes them more insecure.
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No. 2098306
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>"She" rapped her sister!!
>The very first comment: He.
Every time.
And of course people are defending the rapist's "right" to being called a woman because "misgendering one trans person is misgendering everyone!!". I'm sick of these people already.
No. 2098337
>>2098141I didn’t realise how long it was until i minimised the pic holy fuck
I bet you that for most the words are just abstract concepts, they clearly look like they’re set up to fail if they’re commenting gender shit on Pinterest out of all places
No. 2098501
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>>2098142I still remember when some Tumblrtards told to minors that parents using a parental control is "
abusive". Is a bit sad that now parents cannot use it without being called "
abusive" when it's meant to be used to avoid shit like that.
No. 2098572
>>2098501The term
abusive has gotten so fucking watered down because people want to either apply it to every situation they don't like, or to point fingers at someone else. I was talking to someone a few years ago about how my sister got to be without a bedroom door for a few days because she wouldn't stop slamming it shut despite several stern talking to's, of course the person went apeshit about how it's
abusive behavior. No, it's called a temporary consequence. This is why they are yelling trans genocide whenever they don't get what they want.
No. 2098627
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>Transgender people are less accepted in Japan than in the USWonder why
>>2098572And is ironic because Tumblr was full of porn, of course you would try to block Tumblr in the parental control to avoid to your kid to see a surprise pic, not to avoid them to speak with their friends (unless said friends were way older).
No. 2098928
>>2098080I feel you
nonnie. I have both a TIM coworker and a TIF coworker and I hope I make them both feel bad about themselves when I show up to the office with no makeup, short hair, wearing pants, no pronouns in my email signature, and being apologetically, unmistakably a woman.
No. 2099099
>>2097790>women and theyfabs really are the main drivers of gender nonsense. TiMs spearhead and finance the movement, sure, but the well-meaning handmaids and TiFs are the foot soldiers.Absolutely. Yet both can be true at the same time. Being trans was most (I'd even argue ALL) trans identified females "get out of female oppression"-card. And that's something pretty much all females want in some shape or form. And for the handmaiden women they really think they are fighting for women, against men. For equality, against bigotry. The vast majority has never stopped to think about it, they think these men really have "brains more like females" that they're sweet, "gay", innocent and that these men fight for female rights. They never stop to see that these men stop at "trans rights" because actual female rights go directly against them as men.
I've told my mom about troons, she kinda gets it and thinks it sounds bad. She still calls the crossdressing male at her job "she/her" because she thinks that's "being nice". She doesn't really get it, even after years of me talking about troons and them having a fetish and children being castrated. Her natural reaction is "oh well I don't want to offend him and he's One Of The Nice Ones".
Bad men KNOW how to exploit women like my mom. All it takes is a few men profiting at the top pulling the strings. All it takes is one perverse male doctor lying about puberty blockers being the only way to stop the child from committing suicide for him to be able to medically castrate hundreds of kids with their own mom cheering them on. All it takes is one hubris-filled male executive seeing a loop-hole for him to permanently fund millions into castrating autistic children so he can eradicate autism from humanity and play god.
Women have been the ones pushing the enby stuff and they've been doing most of the "social" parts of the movement - while a few men at the top profit the most. And the men know having women fight for them protects them from criticism, gives them a "feminist" scapegoat and that women just look better as "the face" of the movement - because women are more likely to trust other women when they say "transwomen are women like us" than a man saying it. There are countless of peaking stories where a female was fully a TRA handmaiden - until they had one single bad experience with a male troon and that shattered all illusions. Usually it started with their female friends trying to escape female oppression by becoming tifs, which they naturally fully got behind. It's like there are 2 parallel trans worlds posing as one. They support the female trans world, unknowing that it also supports the male trans world.
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No. 2100439
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>>2098349>>2098387Re-read my post:
>TiMs spearhead and finance the movement>the talking heads have taken advantage of womens' tendency to pity othersSaying that women are being manipulated into supporting this stuff on the ground is not saying that it's women's fault or that women caused it. My point is that TiMs and pharmaceutical companies are banking on grassroots support on social media, and they can uphold that false image because women generally pity troons more than men do. The data bears this out: look at the difference between men and women in picrel.
I'm not pointing this out as a pretext to foist blame onto women. I'm trying to point out that the key to killing gender ideology is to peak as many women (including TiFs) as possible, because the pro-troon moids in power are relying on women to uphold the movement. If women peak, the movement crumbles.
No. 2100961
>>2099099>Women have been the ones pushing the enby stuffnobody really cares about enby shit kek the most normie ignorant trans supporters still stumble over they/them pronouns constantly
>and they've been doing most of the "social" parts of the movementwhile male trannies have been applying pressure directly to institutions. There's a reason why every mainstream tranny topic is about the males regardless of whatever number of tifs exist and it's because males command more attention and power and females are tuned the fuck out especially when their biggest presence is on websites like tiktok lmfao
regardless this ranking shit of who's the biggest baddie put forward by people who just gesture around about the reasons why without pointing to any concrete metrics is retarded especially when it's coming from people who offer zero insight or solutions or any reason to believe what they're claiming is useful at all. but anyway I 100% agree with you that women propagate the tranny shit because they've been mentally buck broken into complete doormats and it's rage inducing to witness. I'm happy about every new peaking story I hear kek
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>indigenous enby
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I’ve met some MTFs who shared interests in common with nerdy women and exclusively hung out with women but I’ve never met an FTM who truly managed to assimilate into moid culture. I think it’s because actual male socialization beats any ounce of femininity out of you, hence why you meet plenty of women with masculine interests but you rarely meet men with feminine interests. FTMs were raised as girls, so they don’t get the true male experience even if they pass.
No. 2101946
>>2100887I wholeheartedly agree. Way back in 2018 I was saying that backlash to troon nonsense would cause an uptick in homophobia, and that's exactly what we're seeing both with anons here and in wider political discourse. Despite the fact that plenty of gays disliked troons from the get-go, and despite the fact that homosexuals (especially women) are one of the groups harmed most by gender ideology, gay people are now being blamed for troonshit and branded as groomers. Remember that lesbians are being sexually harassed and de-personed for not liking dick, and that GNC children who typically grow up to be gay are being brainwashed, drugged and sterilized. Gay people aren't the perpetrators of this ideology, they're the
victims.
No. 2102059
>>2101980I understand why, just think it's disingenuous because it's not true to pretend it's mainly women who support it and shilling it as if true is just going to lead to the same thing happening again. We need to acknowledge the cause and supporters to prevent it and address the problem, and since a great deal if not half are men, it means brushing their support under the rug and essentially letting them get away with it and risk something similar happening again. A great deal of handmaidens are male whether for selfish reasons or not, and it's funded and pushed by male headed lobbies. And I'd argue that most of the women don't sincerely believe troons are real women the same way as the men, they just support them for less self centered reasons. They just see them as sad gay men, or men who have empathy for women to the point of identifying as one (they don't but this is how they're perceived by handmaidens). Plus antifa is very energetic in their support to the point of violence (not to mention mtfs themselves being 'energetic' in their support via vandalism, harassment, threats, nailing dead rats to doors, etc). Not to mention male mods on many sites will ban you for being anti tranny. Hard disagree that women are more pro-active, again, it seems pretty equal. Women at best post online or hold up a sign and chant in protest. Men do the same (mtf or not) and actually enforce it even in male majority spaces via bans and threats.
No. 2102129
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God, men are so porn-sick and stupid that they think they "love women in a gay way" and their gender is "lesbian." It's all so retarded, nonas. I'm tired of these troons.
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Ran into this just now and it makes me want to puke. This is putrid…
No. 2102240
>>2102129The "I love women in a gay way" shit pisses me off so much. What the fuck does that mean? The most common explanation I've seen is that these are moids who aren't desperately horny all the time or who want an emotional relationship before a sexual one, but this VERY CLEARLY doesn't apply to 90% of the troons who claim this.
I know there's a whole thing about how "lesbian love is better and more pure" that I see in both feminist and fetishist circles, but (in feminist circles, at least) I thought it was obviously a joke borne of how great female solidarity and understanding can be, especially when compared to being around men? I've been with other lesbians who were just as selfish/sex-obsessed/fuck-and-go as moids seem to be, they're just less common and less obvious about it. And the "pure" shit is fetishism of course, usually connected to sexism and weird yuri manga.
I feel like genuinely saying "I love [X] like a lesbian" makes both women & lesbians seem like a different species, instead of varied people. Especially when it's coming from an idiot moid.
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>>2102313These guys are just out to piss people off and be contrarian. Pay them no attention.
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>>2102197Well hopefully this is just an ironicgender identity and this person is not, in fact, constantly thinking about cocsa. I refuse to be transharmed by their post.
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>>2102344>>2102197This is something people are 100% serious about, this is called transid and its basically dumb teens, munchies or people with fetishes who want to be disabled or ill or traumatised and want access to resources for those things to affirm their identity, and they don't even have to bother with the typical munchie routes because they're "supposed" to be like that.
>>2102342It's a 50/50 split of minors and pedophiles, that one toonimals website is a horrifying example
No. 2102844
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>>2102679>HR and LGBT orgs staff who pretty much use trans ideology to advance their career and/or get funding for other causes>This is probably one of the worst kind of TRA because they are on the ground, fighting to accomodate fetishists and transing childrenReminded me of this TRA social worker who posts resources to “help” parents with their “trans kids” (and supposedly has a “trans kid” herself). Everything she writes is so idiotic and contradictory, and I can’t look through her page without it getting on my nerves.
https://www.instagram.com/gender.specialist No. 2102846
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>>2102844Inb4 they post a tearful story like picrel kek
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i go to a liberal arts womens college as a dyke which i am now realizing was a mistake. i got roomed with a tr00n this semester and the campus troons have unionized to create a zine about how much they hate women. going back in a month i might just need to fucking kill myself
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>>2103197mfw i got rejected from everywhere i tried to transfer last semester… campus here is absolutely overrun with annoying tims and the most annoying and misogynistic tims. actually hell on earth. graduating and touching grass at job adap
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>idc if my appearance scares women who have been traumatized by men, my sense of validation matters more
they are such men lmao
No. 2103403
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>>2103333AYART. I read picrel and it was a shit experience. Only near the end does the author mention a story about guiding a group of college students to sing "Let it Go" and the emotional catharsis of the experience not only for her but all the students in the room, ending with everyone crying.
She was a counselor at Smith. Singing Disney's Let it Go as an exercise in self-acceptance is the most brain dead libfem take I have ever heard. Since then I can only imagine that school as being my personification of hell on earth.
No. 2103421
>>2103403I listened to Amelia Nagoski guest on a podcast and immediately clocked her flavour of Tumblr autism.
Her sister wrote Come As You Are, which had some ideas that were useful to me, but it had overly earnest interludes about TiF clients of hers using their gay fanfiction writing to exorcise their own sexual demons. So, I'm entirely not shocked at the Disney psychotherapy.
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TiFs in a nutshell. This is basically their equivalent to when TiMs say they want to be uwu soft lesbians and get headpats. Neither of these groups have any idea of what the opposite sex actually acts like.
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I found this on a personal cow's tumblr and I'm fucking crying laughing. The whole thing is so retarded and entitled that I can't take it seriously, it's like a toddler getting mad that his parents have to pay bills instead of taking him to Disneyland.
The retard fucking lives in the UK. The insane prices and shitty standards of living affect him too. It's incredible how the internet rots their brains. They're so used to being surrounded by other broke delusional failures that the idea of a PM who wants to focus on getting the country up and running instead of waffling about troons is an insult.
No. 2105073
>>2105004I'm genuinely sorry this happened to you
nonnie. Your friend was ridiculously obnoxious. If you went through her room you would likely find "
problematic" media too. She's also just being unfair because there's plenty of trannies and tranny allies that are against troonsphobia and JK Rowling but still consume HP shit. It sounds like she really just wanted to fight.
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>>2105004So she wanted you to break up with your boyfriend because of a couple of books he owns? Normally I'm a proponent of choosing your friends over your Nigel, but your friend is being ridiculous and psychotic. Did you point out to her how absurd it is to demand that your friend dump a guy solely because he owns childrens' books by a
problematic author? What was her response? I could understand demanding that your friend dump a guy if there's physical, financial, or emotional abuse going on, but otherwise it is not her place to do that. What would the alternative even be to dumping him? Forbidding a grown-ass man from reading certain childrens' books?
Just out of curiosity, has your friend ever
been in a serious relationship? Because this strikes me as an incredibly juvenile way to view relationships. I hope she eventually comes to her senses. If I were you, I wouldn't burn bridges with her, just give her some space and time.
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Looking through the classifieds for free shit and came across this. Fucking disturbing that there's TIMs running around my tiny rural area, and this one is probably in his 40s because no one but middle aged and elderly people read this paper. Eww
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i always roll my eyes at troons complaining about being "misgendered" on-stream, and encouraging chat members to obsessively police one another for something this minuscule is even worse. if you can't handle being misgendered for your obviously sexed voice, perhaps you should consider…avoiding a medium that puts all the focus on said voice? pic obviously related, and her art is so unquestionably female too kek.
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Rip to all the lesbians who get told they’re enbies. God’s strongest soldiers
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>>2105336>>2105354yeah that's her. ugüu pink kawiwi personality and art style, looks like a run of the mill pastel instathot but "call me he/they or else"
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>>2106260I hate that gender ideology upholds the very same roles it claims to be against.
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>>2103972most trannies are narcs so this makes so much sense. their entire little culture war is about them getting attention, it makes sense as to why they're so degenerate bc its what gets them attention. i block them, ignoring them is the cure.
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>>2106958noahfence nona but I'm really over the HSTS are the trutrans with genuine dysphoria line of thinking. I can feel sad that they're effeminate gay men with internalized homophobia, but no that doesn't make them "genuinely dysphoric" compared to AGPs. what qualifies as actual dysphoria to begin with? what makes it that the guys who troon out because of sissyhypno or trap/femboy porn don't somehow develop it as a result of that? It doesn't seem all that easy trying to segregate TiMs as dysphoric vs non dysphoric
No. 2107170
>>2107033thank you nona so true. the hsts i have met were all very misogynistic and into bimbofying themselves and becoming traps basically in order to trans max. they also have such a
victim complex kek
No. 2107201
>>2106953I think it is that hsts validation comes from being desired by other men, and moids are brutal if they dont find you fuckable. They have no problem calling trannies men to their face. Even chasers that suck up to them usually dont manage to hide they dont see them as real women. Compared to agps who have other transbians and handmaidens constantly telling them how beautiful and brave they are, screaming
terf/right wing nazi to those who disagree. Straight wives will start identifying as lesbians after the husband troons out. Actual lesbians will get thrown out of their spaces for not wanting the girldick. And even if everyone else found the agp repulsive and called him a man, he would still be validated by his own desire for himself as a woman. I feel like agps are also more likely to be autistic, and combining autism to the coomerism creates the cases of absolutely zero self awareness that even other troons cringe at.
No. 2107281
>>2106953HSTS are pragmatic. They often have specific aims in mind (more sexual success, leaving the gay community for a long term relationship with a closeted man etc.) on top of whatever is driving them to transition (homophobia). They even self-select, you tend to see less gigagon HSTS because they're aware it's a pointless pursuit (though they exist). Gay men are often plagued by dysmorphia, low self-esteem, self-doubt, because they do not have the intra-male solidarity (against women) that straight men enjoy. Gay men do
not compliment other gays easily, so they are painfully aware of their shortcomings. AGPs are incredibly coddled in comparison to this. AGPs transition for themselves and others aren't a priority because they are autosexual. Some AGPs are self-aware and manage to dress like a normie woman as an attempt to distance themselves from their brothers in fetish but it's still an egoistical pursuit. AGPs who are really concerned with others' perception (so-called reppers) detransition or do not transition at all, because these men do not have a model of a pro-social 'transition'.
No. 2107361
>>2106953I think homophobia plays a role. hsts often have a hard time dealing with their homosexual attraction and think heterosexual attraction is more acceptable to have, so turning themselves into a "straight" woman means they get to shed the homo part. meanwhile agps have never faced disapproval for being men attracted to women so they're secure in their orientation.
like
>>2107281 said there's also a lot of competition between gay men (and a shallow culture obsessed with appearance) so hsts will probably pay more attention to their looks meanwhile agp have all the entirlement unearned and confidence of your average ugly ungroomed straight moid.
hsts and agos are both misgynistic shitbags tho, and ultimately it's all in pursuit of coom
No. 2107792
>>2106896They'll peak. Probably not openly, but they'll peak. Be friendly with them, not everyone has had the joy of interacting with troons IRL.
>>2107361You hit the nail on the head. I knew a gay scrote who spiraled into severe alcoholism when twink death loomed on his horizon. He was a piece of shit but he was terrified of being attacked by men, he'd had bad experiences with homophobic scrotes and knew that his beanpole ass couldn't fight back, but he had no problem being misogynistic as fuck to every woman he saw. The only difference between him and a HSTS tranny is the outfit.
Gay scrotes are so painfully aware of their looks that even being near a woman will make them spiral into a panic attack over how obviously male they are. They know damn well they can't ever pass, they'll never attract straight men who pretend their rot pocket is a vagina, they know the only other scrotes who hang out with them are gay, troons, chasers, there for teh lulz, or serial killers looking for a
victim. They end up self destructing in some way because moids can never be fucking rational about anything. Sometimes the self destruction IS trooning out, sometimes it's becoming a hooker, sometimes it's drugs and a mental breakdown. HSTS troons are imo more mentally unstable than the smooth brained AGP hons whose only purpose in life is gooning.
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this is a psyop, it literally cannot be anything else. the way they enter their degeneracy into politics is a way of them justifying it. gross.
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>>2102129Personally as a lesbian I love women like a straight man
No. 2108672
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you are not a lesbian, you are in a heterosexual relationship with a man who has long hair and also likely a feeder fetish
No. 2108749
>>2108672of course they sell these dumbass crochet plushies kek
what does her shirt say? something about gays?
No. 2110023
>>2107792i'm the first ARYT, all i can do is hope so. i'm pretty open about my opinions with them but was disappointed overhearing a conversation they had where i could tell they were pro-trans. i was glad i wasn't there in the convo because i will never pretend to be pro tranny.
as an aside to your other reply, i had a gay moid friend just like that but without any trooning, he hated trannies. but it was so creepy whenever i would get male attention from straight men instead of him because he would get so angry.
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These girls are so retarded, any guy "validating" their identity is just playing along because its easy pussy. Do they really think there is a single guy out there viewing them as not-a-girl™️?
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>>2110126>"but he knew I was non binary"Come on now, they really need to start teaching critial thinking
No. 2112463
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Twitter artist getting attacked by trannies for being "le evil terve". She's getting called misogynistic slurs, getting rape and death threats, etc. I know it's cringe to have a call to action but you guys should support this artist, i'm so tired of women getting bullied out of having opinions.(not your personal army)
No. 2112476
>>2110126Even worse, most of these women
aren't that stupid. They know men see them as women and don't give a fuck until they break up and can use it as oppression LARP points.
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>>2112463nta, god why couldn’t she just dump that post here kekkk she knows how infested twitter is with these mutants who literally think a material, historical reality of half the world population can be boiled down to a simple feeling like a fart in the wind. trannies need to stop coping and start roping
No. 2112689
>>2112596queen shit
>trannies need to stop coping and start ropingi kek'd
No. 2113771
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This is not the grand statement they think it is.
No. 2113897
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The delulu is strong in this one.
No. 2114228
>>2113829It's wild seeing trannies troonfoil 80s rockstars because omg he has long hair and makeup!!! He's a she, guise!!!
I think I'm showing my age here but I really think this is because everything is a surface level aesthetic these days. You get kids asking if they can listen to Taylor Swift if they're goth. Nobody goes out and does shit with other people without a screen in front of their faces 24/7 to reassure them that they're existing correctly and to sell them gadgets if they're doing it wrong. To them, trans IS a lifestyle, in the same way that cottagecore is a lifestyle for tradwives and dark academia is a lifestyle for booktokers. If you buy the uniform, you get the job. Of course we know it's much more sinister than that but as far as kids are concerned, and tbh as far as a lot of older people are concerned, troons are simply hardcore LARPers at the gender ren faire, and it's rude to call them their obvious gender when they put all this effort into their cosplay.
>>2113897Close! So close! It's actually the other way round.
No. 2114575
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I hate the false narrative troons push about children and under 18s transitioning. I can't tell if they truly believe noone under 18 is getting surgery or if it's just a sneaky thing they love to say to hide the fact it's happening.
It truly makes me seethe.
"Oh that's not happening.. but if it is happening it's not happening alot.. but if it is happening alot it's because they need it… but if they don't need it it's because they wanted it… but if they wanted it it's not because they're mentally ill and have other shit going on it's because they really needed it…"
No. 2114846
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this is funny in hindsight
No. 2115176
The immediate acceptance of "gender is different from sex" was so retarded. It kind of makes the ideology meaningless considering they classify "gender" as "clothes, attitude, mannerisms, behavior". In this case, to say gender is entirely separate from sex is so dishonest it's not even funny. Where do these gender stereotypes come from?…. a sexist society that needs to differentiate between the sexes at the expense of females. The "gender ≠ sex" is a sexist-ass ideology. If people were really smart they'd see that the gender stereotypes that trannies think they can stack like power ups are just sexist viewings of the sexes in general, and maybe we should do away with "gender" as retarded sexologists and tranny supporters have defined it as and just acknowledge the reality of the body but put no mind to the "clothes, attitude, mannerisms, and behaviors" that they might employ, because at the end of the day penis = male and vagina = female.
Tl;Dr my schizo babble but they're basically pointing out the puppeteers who puppet the Muppets in the Muppets universe and instead of the Muppets being like "oh, so we're just people piloting a toy" they're like "oh, so if we're piloting a KERMIT we are male and if we pilot a MS PIGGY we are female! It's that simple!"
No. 2115248
>>2114575They get all the normies with this one, including Charlie and most people I know who are tranny defenders despite being ignorant on the topic. Even back when I didn't know as much about trans stuff as I do now and didn't know any trans people personally it still never sat right with me, though. I just thought to myself "Huh…But wouldn't even just giving them these hormones be bad for their development? What if they're just a gnc child like I was? Wouldn't they just be better off not needing any of this and treating their misplaced feelings on inadequacy without resorting to drugs? Why is this necessary at all, isn't it better to just accept your body as is and be yourself regardless?"…Such questions came to mind for me immediately and intuitively even without knowing much on the topic which prompted TRAs to act like my completely reasonable questions were "bigoted" which I found odd since I wasn't trying to be, so even back then I could never really support it without even knowing what I know now. Yet with most normies it's like this doesn't even go through their mind, and they just instantly accept it and fold, since if the medical establishment and the mainstream says so and calls you a bigot if you have any other feelings on it, then it must be true, while I personally felt offended at being called a bigot when I saw no reason why I'd be one for asking reasonable questions. Normies probably fall for it easier also because they could never relate to being a gnc child, associate it with gayness (another thing they accept without understanding, although that one is fine) and aren't truly progressive in the sense of rejecting gender roles, since troonism relies on thinking it's better to troon out than be gnc, while a truly progressive person instinctively
knows you don't need any of that. In Charlie's case it's most likely due to how he doesn't want to lose his platform as well and while I never expected otherwise from him, it's still disappointing seeing someone defend this shit and even debating sneako in the first place was retarded too, there was absolutely no need to give some guy debating about age of consent any time of day. This whole thing with supporting trannies just tarnishes his image of youtube guy who dislikes creeps who harass and make women uncomfortable when that's like, most trannies. But he probably doesn't even know that most people who are made uncomfortable by this are women since he believes the tranny narrative of them being the
victims and only conservatives like sneako wanting them dead or whatever. I don't really agree with people saying he's a pedophile since it just feels like he's just another useful idiot who doesn't understand the full implications of transitioning children, but this is still so retarded. I'm tired of men like him in general where they'll be ok in other ways but then you'll realize they're still so fucking stupid and a male when you're confronted with their takes on the tranny question. It applies to most men I know and only a couple are truly against troonism without also being conservatives
No. 2115269
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>>2114575And then you have the other side of the coin
No. 2115426
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>>2115331You made me think in that activist against FGM dealing with a moid saying "What about US?" and she answer him back with "If I have called myself as a man, I wonder if I wouldn't have dealt with that".
No. 2115632
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>>2115616DING DING DING!! LET THE OLYMPIC BOXING LEVEL TRANNY INFIGHT CONTINUE! ON THE BLUE SIDE, THE LOST TWITTER REFUGEE, A BRAVE CULT SURVIVOR WHO VALIANTLY CARVED HER WAY OUT TO BE HERE TODAY, AND ON THE RED, THE RESIDENT RADFEM NONNA SPONSORED BY RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT AND FOX NEWS!
(learn2integrate) No. 2115715
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"I'm sorry for pointing out that she's a biological woman, not a cis woman". Seriously?
No. 2115792
>>2115621 I would change absolutely nothing from what I am currently doing. Just would use the ideology for my own benefit and once I reach where I want to be I’ll detransition, which again means I’ll change nothing.
Just hard for me in general to take advantage of stupid current cultural trends for my own benefit, especially if I have to pretend to be a self hating misogynist.
No. 2115858
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>adult and human are social constructs and female is a circular definition
this is the mind on troonism
No. 2115883
>>2115865Why not be some cool epic tough woman who gets all the hotties? I have this extensive daydream about being a lone wolf gun woman out on some sci-fi desert who kills outlaw rapists and is known as the “Mother of Dust” since so many men bite the dust when they encounter her.
Ofcourse the brooding bad assery is just a mega attractor to women who want to tame her. But she can’t ever settle down, not when she has a good mare and can ride out into the sunset once more.
No. 2115932
>>2115861I just got off work so I'm still looking into it, but the International Boxing Association (IBA), which did the chromosome test on Khelif, is Russian-led and has a Russian president. It was suspended from screening people for the Olympic back in 2019 (or 2023?) "due to the ongoing seriousness of the issues in the areas of finance, governance, ethics and refereeing and judging." so I guess that literally nothing they've done is
valid anymore, even if it's related to scientific testing instead of ethics.
No. 2116275
>>2116176Yeah
nonny, sorry if that wasn’t immediately understandable, but I meant that there is a difference between a male with CAIS where there is no effect from testosterone at all despite internal testes and a men like Semenya, and that I think Imane is a case like the latter
No. 2116748
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>>2116695yeah it's a male with DSD, but looks like he was raised as a girl (there are childhood photos where Imane is dressed as a girl). must suck to have that condition, but if you fail the gender test and have a proven unfair advantage, then it should be as simple as that. it puts women in danger.
No. 2116771
>>2115883I love this fantasy of yours
nonnie, I now want to write a book about this type character or play her in a table-top rpg
No. 2116957
>>2116681I'm just tryin to be inclusive here.
>>2116741No problem nonner
No. 2117014
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nonnies when it's time to suck russian media's dick (it said something they wish was true)
>>2116635sharty is ze ozer way xister
No. 2117026
>>2114575>you need to be 18no they do not, they literally aired jazz jennings getting bottom surgery at 17 on national television.
>you need to be transitioning for at least 1-2 yearsalso false. WPATH leaks and trans tiktokers indicate otherwise pretty often
>otherwise your body will not be able to respond properly to surgeryi have not seen a single instance of anyone's body responding properly to bottom surgery. you can't mimic the inside of a vagina with tissue from a colon or penis. you cannot mimic penile tissue or any function of a penis with any tissue from a vagina. take an anatomy and phys course and pay close attention to the reproduction chapter.
>gender affirming care for under 18s never happens so it's impossible to bani would love this banned, if it ever actually starts to happen they will be flipping shit over it, thus proving it happens and they think it's acceptable. they don't want to state outright it happens because they know it's wrong!
No. 2117035
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Nonas, I'd like to know your opinion, or rather rant about some truly stupid shit I just found out about because anyone who's not retarded doesn't need anybody's opinion to realize this person is a woman. And I realize she's not the only
victim of this kind of sexism among female athletes but her story has enraged me so much because I rooted for her. Fuck I'm going insane.
Prisca Guadalupe Awiti Alcaraz is a British-Kenyan-Mexican female judoka who just won a silver medal representing Mexico. When I first saw her, I never once questioned her biological sex, though she did seem unusually androgynous (but still obviously female to me). To my surprise, an alarming amount of people in the comments of videos or pictures about her achievement seem to be convinced that she is a man, calling for DNA testing or banning her from women's competitions as if she were the same as actual trannies invading women's sports, and an equally disgusting amount are making degrading, sarcastic, sexist comments about her appearance while knowing full well she's female. Actually, I didn't know about the former until I made a google search about her, and it turns out there was also a braindead controversy in Poland over her victory against a Polish opponent (who defended her from the accusations, but apparently didn't explicitly say she's a biological woman so it makes it all more confusing for these people):
https://notesfrompoland.com/2024/08/01/polish-olympian-defends-mexican-rival-after-politicians-suggest-she-is-male/But still, despite this controversy being talked about, there are mentions of "transphobia" but no one clearly states that she is not trans (possibly to avoid offending troons with mentions of biological sex), which unfortunately made me doubt my own impression of her being female for a moment.
So, I googled to see if anybody was even asking if she's trans and this is one of the few results I found where she's mentioned in relation to anything "trans":
https://notesfrompoland.com/2024/08/01/polish-olympian-defends-mexican-rival-after-politicians-suggest-she-is-male/This article makes no effort to clear anything up, in fact the wording might be so confusing and walks on eggshells so much that you could end up believing she is a tranny after reading it. I thought this article sounded AI-generated as fuck, so I dismissed it.
Nowhere on any of her bios that I could find have I found anything about her transitioning or originally having a masculine name or having had a "special" childhood or adolescence. If she were a male, she'd have to have been put on puberty blockers from an incredibly young age to look anywhere like this, and considering she was born in 1996 (she's nearing her 30s, for fuck's sake!) it's extremely unlikely. You could say that at most, she looks like a teenage boy, not a man, but imagine a male teenager successfully lying about his age for so long to compete in international women's judo tournaments, kek. She has talked about her childhood, how her brother practiced both judo and gymnastics before dedicating himself fully to the latter (iirc), and how she used to practice gymnastics before switching to judo because she was too tall, and has also mentioned that she initially began to practice judo in Mexico because she felt exhausted in the highly competitive world of
girl's judo in the UK. Also just the fact that she was born in the 90s makes it more likely that she wouldn't even believe in or be influenced by troon ideology.
Some sexist pieces of shit trying to make her out to be a tranny have used photos of her as "evidence" that she's a man. Those were probably all specific photos of her face where she looks the most masculine because when you look at her during judo matches it's obvious to anyone that she's roughly as tall as her obviously female opponents, etc.. If she were a male of African descent, (s)he would naturally be bigger. When you listen to her in interviews, her voice is naturally feminine, although deep but you can still tell the difference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CexKGaYgdo8Some scrotes are trying to claim she's on testosterone, but if she were a MtF tranny, (s)he'd do everything to appear as his idea of a woman, including growing his hair long, wearing makeup and hyperfeminine/sexualized clothing, and speaking in a terrible falsetto, plus he'd also be obnoxious as fuck about his tranny identity and most importantly, he'd be taking estrogen, not testosterone. And she doesn't seem to identify as any kind of transman or enby, so her taking testosterone as a "cis" person would definitely not be tolerated. Besides, she has a boyfriend:
https://ovaciones.com/quien-es-el-novio-de-prisca-awiti-medallista-de-plata-en-paris-2024/Hard to imagine a gay moid identifying as a woman enough to get into the Olympics as one, and then making no effort whatsoever to look like "a woman", for so long. And if she were FtM she'd be competing in men's sports like that one Aiden.
Furthermore, anybody can see that this:
https://www.instagram.com/p/C3qbn5HLHhW/is an actual, 100% female woman. Though I don't doubt for a second that conservative dumbfucks would still believe this is a man with implants, those fuckers have an extremely narrow view of what men and women are or look like.
And if this situation wasn't stupid enough already, some of her defenders from the shitty sexist remarks are calling them "tRaNsPhObIc" remarks
while acknowledging that she's an actual female. Like yeah sure, moids calling a woman male just because she's androgynous and not the epitome of feminine stereotypes, and because they only value women based on their sexual attractiveness, is somehow all about the poor oppressed male trannies who's identity is entirely based on those very same, harmful, misogynistic stereotypes.
https://nitter.poast.org/PaveloRockstar/status/1818331580949315750 (also check out the absolutely insane logic going on in that xeet and the replies. So terves are the ones calling this woman a man and not the scrotes who are upset she's not fuckable enough for them? Oh right, I forgot
TERF is the modern equivalent of Nazi now and has lost all meaning. And also having been born as a woman with very androgynous features and cutting your hair super short not giving a fuck about stereotypes is exactly the same as having been born with male genitals kek I want to die. These clowns are fucking more offended over the sexist comments being insulting to MALE TRANNIES even though they're directed at a WOMAN. All while every single video about her, old or new, is being infested with disgustingly degrading comments about her androgynous appearance, both from Poles and Mexicans who should be celebrating her victories. fuck this woman-hating tranny world.)
Apparently women aren't allowed to be tall, or have broad shoulders, or have "unfeminine" faces, or have short hair, or dress in baggy clothes, or have (relatively) deep voices, much less all of these at the same time. Fuck troonshit for making things even harder for women who don't fit into stereotypes and fuck retarded conservatives.
Oh well, at least she seems to be happy with her family, friends and boyfriend.
No. 2117042
>>2117035>sexismCan't be sexist against intersex people lol.
Your bait is stale. Here, let me spell it out for you loud and clear:
To reiterate, both Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting post testing, did not meet the required eligibility criteria to compete within the female category of our respective events.>https://www.iba.sport/news/iba-reaffirms-the-position-and-removal-of-boxers-from-all-events/*The proposal to ratify the decision taken by the IBA Secretary General and CEO on
behalf of IBA to disqualify Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting from the IBA Women’s World
Boxing Championships was approved by the majority vote with 1 abstention by Mr.
Abdeljaouad Belhaj and 1 vote against by Mr. Jose Laureano.
*>https://www.iba.sport/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/BoD-meeting-minutes_New-Delhi_FV-approved.pdf No. 2117053
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Case closed. It knows that it isn't a female, yet still decides to cheat at the Olympics. Vile.
>https://unherd.com/2024/08/the-olympics-are-not-safe-for-women/ No. 2117063
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>>2117042>>2117053iba is a corrupt russian organization
No. 2117067
>>2116520If he actually is a woman, fair enough, but the testosterone indicates she has some sort of condition that puts her at a crazy level of T.
FWIW, I don't think the boxer deserves to be treated badly even if it's a guy with an intersex condition who was raised female. He's not the same as a tranny, his family and society probably just didn't know how to approach or deal with his condition. I don't think he should be in women's sports, but his story is sad, and the same applies to all the other athletes this has turned out to be the case for.
I don't really understand all these anons bashing him and pretending he just hates women and wants to beat them. I've been given no reason to believe he's just this bad person who deliberately snuck into women's sports. He probably genuinely thinks/thought of himself as a brawny, very tall woman.
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>>2117035You lie with dogs and you get fleas.
This is what trans hysteria and being obssesed with troons does to you, extremes always end up hurting women and now a woman with hyperandrogenism (Imane Khalif) is being accused of being a man or being trans. And if you think they will stop at women with abnormalities they won't because they will start attacking gnc women too soon (some already have).
People have now also started attacking other female athletes at the 2024 olympics and accusing them of being male. Katie Ledecky is now also being accused of being a man. Katie is 100% a woman with xx chromos and doesnt even have the abnormality that Imane had but people don't care because both of them are masculine women. The radfems are either silent on this or are joining in on the bullying of these women showing what they really think about gnc women.
No. 2117075
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>read this post
>’my attraction to him is very queer’
Do words even mean anything anymore? This just sounds like bisexuality to me. What is queer about attraction to a very obviously masculine man with they/them pronouns (that OP doesn’t even pretend to use). This and a post I saw about how being ‘queer is better than gay’ is making me feel so alienated with the modern lgbt community.
No. 2117086
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Another athlete that has competed againts Imane in the past defends her.
Imane also has lost to many women in the boxing ring and she is not this "powerful advantage super race" person people are trying to label her as
No. 2117094
>>2117089They don't care about women's safety they are just transvestigating women for fun.
Now some are doing the same to Katie Ledecky and using ugly pictures of her on purpose (katie is 100% a woman and has xx chromos).
Like im sorry that not all fenale athletes are fap material or do coomer content for moids. (The one who lost and cried like a coward posts thirst traps for moids kek)
No. 2117096
https://x.com/boborock55/status/1819290810870886583Amy Broadhurst vs Imane Khelif
How come Broadhurst isn't crying and kneeling in grief?
(this is an imageboard) No. 2117117
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Daily reminder that Angela Carini has a history of lying and playing the victim she did a similiar thing in 2021 and 2022. In 2022 she also tried faking a injury while in a boxing match.
If this is who you want to nake your hero against the "evil moid trannys" then be my guest but just know that you are supporting a fraud and also attacking a biological woman.
No. 2117139
>>2117129Anon i think its very retarded to try and gaslight someone as if we are blind and can't see all the posts who have gone viral about this situation and are painting Angela as some kind of hero with thousands of likes some reaching close to 500k.
>>2117132I was waiting for someone to start scrotefoiling/troonfoiling and you didn't leave me disappointed. Do you know that you have more in common with scientology than you think? Reminds me how those weirdos call everyone who disagrees with them a supressive person kek.
No. 2117144
>>2117117I agree,
nonny. I mistook her for a featherweight at first because of her absolute lack of muscle mass. If you look at any other welterweight female boxer, they have may more visible lean muscle. I think she was just incompetent and is trying to turn the world against a rival by painting her as trans. There are literally pics of Imane as a little girl
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>>2117144Forgot to attach pic
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>>2117144nta but here's one of the childhood pics
No. 2117162
>>2117151Exactly. Intersex athletes should not be able to compete in the women’s category. I feel bad for Khelif personally, not like she had any say in how she was raised and this whole thing has to be pretty humiliating. But if she really is XY, she’s male and it’s not right for her to compete. Same with Castor Semenya. She never should’ve been allowed to compete either. It’s sucks for them, but most people have things that prevent them from being Olympic athletes. Life isn’t fair.
I mean cmon…just look at her. SOMETHING is up, beyond PCOS or whatever people are trying to falsely compare this to. Bring back the swab tests. There’s no good reason not to.
No. 2117163
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I joined a cute facebook fashion group and this creature is always posting and every fucking other girl there cheers him on.
I dont even know if this is relevant to this thread since its obviously a fucking fetish. Its sick.
I hope its just heavily policed and those who voice how fucking gross this is just gets booted because I cant be the only one in there that thinks this abomination is pure filth.
No. 2117164
>>2117152This looks like a male child in a dress to me tbh. Doesn't matter much now, if you have a chromosome, you should not be allowed to compete in a boxing competition with XX chromosome owners. End of.
>>2117117Her being a jackass doesn't nullify the point that she should have never been placed in a ring with a person who has a Y chromosome. It's fine for them to identify as female on a birth certificate and wear a dress, but they should not be allowed to fight biological women. Its an unfair advantage, intersex people should either compete with other intersex people or just not professionally compete at all.
No. 2117171
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Here is the biggest proof showing that Imane is a woman.
https://www.liberation.fr/sports/jeux-olympiques/jo-de-paris-2024-le-cio-soutient-deux-boxeuses-exclues-des-mondiaux-pour-hyperandrogenie-20240730_HPUPXB2C5VFAXHJWDQW2HIERCE/The IBA test was not recognized by the IOC and her IOC tests show that she is a biological woman but suffers from testestorne excess. She is not even intersex like how some of you claimed, she is literally a biological woman with hyperandrogenism.
This article also confirms that the test that Imane took in IBA was for testosterone and the person who said she had a XY chromosome basically lied. She never showed a xy chromosome and it was another athlete that failed the biochemichal test.
Will radfems, GCers or right-wingers apologise for trying to ruin this woman's life? Of course you won't. I am expecting more people to double down in the replies and i am expecting the usual replies calling me a tranny and telling me to shut up.
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>>2117035I think she’s really pretty. I find it weird that I keep seeing people saying how tall Imane is and “omg! He’s taller than the referee” when imane is maybe an inch or two taller than the other girl and they’re
both taller than the Latino looking manlet referee kek
>>21170702024 brain rot, people aren’t used to seeing women not done up or Bambi filtered to hell
No. 2117184
>>2117178>still doubling down and not knowing the difference between hyperandrogenism and intersex.The XY chromosome thing was proved as fake so at this point you are basically transvestigating a biological woman like a right-wing boomer.
At this point anyone who saw this
>>2117171 and is still calling her a man is basically transvestigating and should not be taken seriously.
Also to the scumbag who tried transvestigating even her photos as a child….you are disgusting.
No. 2117208
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>>2117117Victim blaming again? I don't care for Carini and she never even said anything offensive. People other than XX individuals should simply never be allowed in women's sports.
>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-13702419/Second-failed-gender-test-boxer-Olympics.html>>2117151>she has XY chromosomesMy brain hurts.
>>2117165>She has a vaginaSOURCE???
>hormonally indistinguishable from a TIF put on hormones since 13SOURCE???
No. 2117213
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>>2117179This is uncanny.
>>2117201No. There is no proof of that anywhere.
No. 2117218
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>>2117208>Lin Yu TingHELPPPPP your retarded ass got called out for lying about Imane being a man that now you are posting another athlete to go on with your self victimisation story.
>>2117207there is no language barrier the article can be understood nicely. It just seems like you are trying to dismiss anything that doesn't fit your agenda. Imane only failed the testosterone test meanwhile Lin-Yu seemed to have failed more than just the testesrone test but I don't see what that has to do with Imane. Some of you want Imane to be a man so bad, it's weird.
Also daily reminder that A MAN WHO RAPED A 12 YEAR OLD GIRL WAS ALLOWED TO COMPETE IN THE OLYMPIC BUT THE GENERAL PUBLIC CARES MORE ABOUT TRANSVESTIGATING BIOLOGICAL WOMAN THAN TALKING ABOUT THAT.
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As if he was the only one. Have you seen this? He's from Zambia playing soccer, Barbara Banda
No. 2117226
>>2117225as in….
he's barbara?
No. 2117234
>>2117171>biological hyperandrogenismIf the reports of her hormonal tests are correct, there's no way Khelif isn't intersex, unless she/he/whatever is juicing or extremely sick (doubtful). It's well in the male range, natural T levels in men and women don't overlap like that. There have been issues with inaccurate tests in the past so there's a chance she's indeed female and a
victim of unclear guidelines.
>they lied about XYThere's no mention of this in the article. Why lie? The article cites the claim of having found proof of XY, then reminds the reader that this org has issues with legitimacy (who knows if it's genuine or a case of Russia Bad). But it doesn't provide proof that the XY claim is a 'lie'.
>>2117165>she has a vaginaYou don't know that. Having a micropenis and no external testes is sufficient to be considered 'female' at birth.
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OK meanwhile that retard is now posting other random athletes because they don't know what to say about Imane anymore let's talk about this :
A convicted child rapist was allowed to compete in the Olympics. Him being allowed in the Olympics barely caused any outrage and is only 1/100 of the outrage Imane (who is a woman whether you want to admit it or not) got. Why is that? (this is not a question that should be actually answered because we all know the real reason why, the so called defenders of women don't actually care about women)
>>2117232radfems are mostly a white-woman club so don't be surprised, do you see how excited they get whenever they see a brown/black radfem and go "see SEE WE HAVE
POC TOO" lol
>>2117237They are confusing her with Lin. I swear radfems are becoming just as retarded as TRAs.
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>>2117230This is so fucking embarrassing kek
No. 2117246
>>2117241I saw tons of GCers (not even counting radfems because of course they brought this up) discussing this. Of course retarded 'transphobic' moids aren't interested in discussing male violence, yawn.
The only person i've seen defend this pedophile is a TiM, to no one's surprise. It was the usual anti-authoritarian rhetoric and appeal to other minorities to make it seem like it's a deep injustice to the vulnerable. Barf.
>>2117242Why are you even here? Yes, it's depressing to see heaps of people fully displaying their disdain for women's sports and women's achievements to dunk on terves.
No. 2117251
>>2117238This reminds me of a boomer Facebook post that goes "the earth is flat, prove me wrong" as you can see its always the retards who make up shit and believe lies always asking for other people to send them a continuous stream of proof that they are wrong but even when that happens ajd the proof is send they just glance over that proof and nitpick it and then generate more lies.
Her having XY chromosome was literally debunked as a lie but they will still keep on making more lies to try and confuse people and then even ask people to prove their lies wrong.
>>2117243OK retard let me explain, her IBA testing which you all used against her to say she was a man or had XY chromosomes only showed that she had elevated testosterone and it had nothing to with her chromosomes or her being a man. Her not appealing was about the testosterone test and it had nothing to do with XY. She didn't appeal the testosterone test, not whatever chromosome test you all ran with. Stop spreading lies.
No. 2117269
>>2117251>Her having XY chromosome was literally debunked as a lieIT WASN'T AND YOU FAILED TO PROVIDE THE SOURCE AGAIN.
I hope your masters pay you well at least, you pathetic excuse of a human being.
No. 2117272
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>>2117257holy shit kek you're like those seagulls from nemo, ntayrt
No. 2117282
>>2117277numerous anons have replied to you with proof that she didn't get tested for XY in the first place but you ignore that and keep posting the same shit over and over again.
Go back to your america containment thread, magafag.
No. 2117289
>>2117269I already provided you with that source about Imanes (and Lins testing) how many sources am I suppose to send you at this point when you keep on either nit-picking it or flat out ignoring it.
>i hope your masters pay you wellhmm and now what do you mean by that. Don't be shy, tell us what you actually mean by that.
(learn2integrate) No. 2117315
>>2117304>In an interview with BBC sports editor Dan Roan on Thursday, IBA chief executive Chris Roberts said XY chromosomes were found in "both cases".Nothing new here. Just by looking at him you can tell it's a guy.
That IOC damage control is hilarious though.
No. 2117341
I see a lot of talk about the Algerian troon but not much about the Taiwanese one. In my opinion, Yu-Ting's situation is strange. While the Algerian troon looks like a man, at least he kind of put in a half-assed effort to look sort of like a woman, whereas the Yu-Ting does absolutely nothing to look like a woman. He looks 100% male in every single way. His Instagram, for those curious:
https://www.instagram.com/boxing_ting/Another thing that I find interesting is that when both of these men were tested and found to have XY, the Algerian man attempted to appeal the genetic test results at first, while Yu-Ting did not. To me this would indicate Yu-Ting already knew he would get those results and so didn't bother to contest the results.
Now I'm wondering, is Yu-Ting a regular man just pretending to be an "intersex" woman, or is he actually an intersex male and has known this for a while? I find it hard to believe either of these men didn't know their results shortly after puberty, especially Yu-Ting.
Either way, both Yu-Ting and Imane knew long before the Olympics that they are male and should not be in the female division, so fuck them both.
No. 2117353
>>2117171The news on this is terrible and the takes on twitter are even worse. with situations like this people need to be cautious when reviewing the data. a simple cheek swab could prove Imane's DNA, but many see this as intrusive. in reality, i think if we swabbed the cheeks of competitors, we'd see a LOT of xy "women" in the competitions, because thats how things are. there's expectations of privacy with these medical things as well, so a person "failing" a test means that the public can only speculate.
that being said, IF imane's testosterone level exceeded the markers, this would either indicate doping or a condition that severely increases testosterone (intersex male, cancer sufferer). a healthy woman, even when suffering from things like PCOS, would not exceed the rules given. a test result showing these numbers needs to have adequate follow up and transparency. i do feel bad for imane. i feel bad for all intersex people, especially those in developing countries. many are only caught in adolescence when puberty either causes a person to a) not get a period or b) develop characteristics of opposite gender (like internal testes kicking off hormone production and making a registered female at birth start going through male puberty). imane could be suffering from a number of dsds but we dont know because no one is being transparent. intersex qualifications in any sport should be case by case. imane's external genatalia may very well look like a vulva, but it also could mean they could have internal testes that WORK and can literally produce babies with eggs. we just dont know because no one is actually being truthful in this situation.
i'm more than willing to be proven wrong if imane can provide information why those two tests were failed, whether it was chromosomal or hormonal.
No. 2117368
>>2117315why don't you green-text this too you cherry-picker.
>Roberts said there were "different strands involved in that" and therefore the body could not commit to referring to Khelif as "biologically male".
>The IOC has raised doubts over the accuracy of the tests.Either way the BBC article seems incomplete and they themselves said there is alot of things they don't know so I hope more information comes out.
(learn2integrate) No. 2117401
>>2117392It's impossible to make any sort of informed comment without confirmation about what type of DSD she has. If she has 5ARD (Caster Semenya's condition) then she's a male, no other way around it, even if she was raised as a girl. But if she has something like Swyer's, then she's a sterile female with no real competitive advantage.
I know that they don't mention how they test for sex because they don't want to invade the privacy of DSD athletes, but it really does more harm than good when all these sex verification methods are so opaque and vague. "High testosterone levels," "XY chromosomes," it's meaningless without knowing the actual condition. DSD conditions need to be evaluated on a case by case basis because some female-assigned people with DSD are actually female and some are actually male. Unfortunately the general public is extremely ignorant about DSDs, your average person doesn't know what the difference between Klinefelter, Turner or Swyer syndrome. This is why the category "intersex woman" doesn't actually make sense, some intersex women are almost indistinguishable from non-intersex women apart from being sterile (CAIS, Swyer, Turner) and others are males (5ARD, PAIS).
No. 2117408
>>2117042Why tf did you reply to my post? It has nothing to do with Imane. I just posted that rant because I was actually pissed about all the hate she (Prisca) is getting from retards on YouTube (and she's even being harassed directly on her Instagram with retarded Polish moids wishing her death for not looking feminine enough for their dicks), not because of the autistic shitflinging that's happening here about a completely unrelated athlete with a completely different issue. I actually agree that Imane and intersex people with higher levels of testosterone than the average woman shouldn't be competing in women's sports but that's not what my post was about
>>2117070>The radfemsI wouldn't call them radfems, just gender critical people which by itself doesn't make them feminist in any way. Unfortunately a lot of self-described GCs are ignorant fucks and right-wing conservatards.
No. 2117422
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>>2117401samefag, picrel shows that even when you take DSD conditions into account, male and female ranges don't overlap. The only one that kinda does is the very bottom range of PAIS. A woman with PCOS wouldn't have male T levels but a male with 5ARD would be on a completely different level.
The reason we have to do all this gatekeeping is because if we didn't, female sports would just reward whoever is the most male-like in their physiology. Nobody cares about intersex conditions for men because the women's category is basically a sort of special needs category for people who would not be able to win in a general competition. To determine which (if any) DSD conditions should be allowed in women's sports, you have to ask the question, "what is the point of women's sports." If you want to know what is the best female physiology can accomplish, you cannot allow male physiology in, because male physiology is categorically unfair in the same way steroids are unfair (you won't win every time but you'll still have a big leg up). If you want to know who is the best person who was raised as a woman, then you wouldn't care about physiology as much. I'm more interested in the former than the latter but I'm sure others will disagree.
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i feel like the proselytism aspect if trans stuff isn't ralked about enough.
you see discussion of its cultish aspects and that's interesting but it's particulary alarming that they aggressively, constantly push hormones and surgery to everyone as an answer to everything. like they don't even make it about gender anymore, it's just telling people to do that shit for fun.
this is just a random post but you see so much of this "just take hrt for fun! for whatever reason! it's bit a big deal" rhetoric.
No. 2117444
>>2117232>>2117241NTA but I hope you guys understand how pathetic and racist you look when you see
>>2117225 and say things like "That's just the average black woman, you are racist for saying that's a man", and then it turns out the "racist" people who say these manly-looking individuals are intersex males were right all along.
This was one of the things that peaked me on the trans issue, how you guys think of non-white (specifically black) women, throw us under the bus and happily compare or equate us to males all to defend men in dresses. I don't think Imane deserves harassment no matter what they have going on, but does it ever fucking end with you? Lmao
No. 2117496
>>2117401I will say they seem more ambiguous than Semenya (who I don't even believe identifies as female and is grifting).
Compare Semenya's "women are soft and boring" interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvg50P4FwTkTo Khelif's post-fight interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy61xiaK94I>>2117469Mods forced the topic here so everyone's getting funneled from various threads.
No. 2117508
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>>2117442How do the people saying it's racist to say Imane looks like a man reconcile with the fact that he/she resembles Angela? Why is it like, canon for all these super "woke" people to insist brown or black women just look like men naturally, but they never, ever say it about Italian women, or any other white women, even in cases when the two look similar? Hmmm (it's because all the people calling things "transphobic" are unironically racist, think being white automatically makes a woman feminine, no matter what, and love to use brown and black women as human shields for their agenda)
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>>2117508for real, no one, absolutely no one would claim that the girl on the right looks extremely manly or masculine. and yet, women on the left, with same exact damn features supposedly look "manly".
No. 2117641
>>2117444It’s not about thinking that black women look like men, it’s recognizing that black women who look a little androgynous or don’t perform hyper-femininity get called men constantly. Saying that Barbara is a man just because she has a masculine hair cut, is fit, and isn’t performing femininity to “make up” for it is misogynoir
>>2117520How are you people 100% getting it yet still missing the point.
No. 2117671
>>2117667My point is, she looks just as “masculine” as
>>2117070 and
>>2117179 and the Asian athletes in the other thread whose gender was also debated. It’s no different and treating it as such is odd.
No. 2117680
>>2117670Samefag, in case you didn't see it:
>>2117270Barbra isn't a black woman. No one who looked at them and thought "man" was ever wrong or racist. Rather, your bid to "not be racist" has you equating black women to literal men lmao. I know racists don't see a problem with this because it was their opinion to begin with, but the gaslighting is tiring.
You're not helping black women (or anyone at all) when you put race at the forefront and call people who call obviously masculine-looking people men "anti-black", especially since you don't lecture us about the naturally masculine European features of female athletes like
>>2117070 and how it's "euromisogyny" to call them men. Funny how we never talk about naturally masculine white features. You're just bashing us and pretending it's righteous, enough kek.
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Anyone else who was in a fandom/multifandom back when they were tifs? And if so, what was the fandom(s)? And what fandom(s) are you currently in?
I hope this is the right thread to ask this because I’m just curious in what fandom(s) were nonnas when they were tifs and what fandom(s) are nonnas in now, as ex-tifs.
I hope I worded everything right, I’m an eslchan kek
No. 2117688
>>2117670Where did you find that she is intersex? I can’t find anything at all other than that she has higher testosterone than average. And no she does not have Adam’s apple do you even know what that is?
>>2117680But she literally is female. And never talking about naturally masculine white features is part of my point. White women have a lot more leeway with having masculine features before getting called a male
No. 2117696
>>2117688https://en.as.com/soccer/the-barbra-banda-story-the-broader-problem-of-gender-verification-in-sports-n/Where do you think the high testosterone comes from? There is a higher likelihood than not that they, like Caster Semenya (a genetic male) has 5-ARD. Men with intersex disorders are not women, deal with it.
>no she does not have adam's appleI don't know what to tell you other than to look at that photo
>>2117225. That's not what any black woman looks like, you are just racist.
>never talking about naturally masculine white features is part of my pointYou don't do it either. Instead, you insist black women look like men and try to guilt people on that false premise.
No. 2117703
>>2117687When I was in my tif phase I wasn't super involved in fandom outside of reading fanfic, but I remember being into the largely-female dominated fandoms like Supernatural, Haikyuu, Miraculous Ladybug, and Free. I did watch very moid-like shows too
any moidslop anime from 2017-2020, but never got as invested as I did with the aforementioned shows.
No. 2117717
>>2117706>>2117711If that were the case, it would've been disclosed to quash the suspicion.
Keep equating black women to men and telling on yourselves, watch how fast your whole faux-progressive movement falls apart as more and more black women see how two-faced, (actually) bigoted and weird you are.
No. 2117718
>>2117687I never went full TiF, I just got close to “transmasc” NB, and just wanted to say that at least back when I was deep into fandoms the male worship really got to me. It was to the point me and everyone else I knew only acted like male characters existed, not even in a husbando way just as characters, whether it was old men or children. Whereas the female characters were called “bitches” for the smallest things
just like real life kek, either character traits or “interfering” with ships. I feel like this paired with the mass autism is why everyone I knew “felt more like a guy”, which is why I think gender ideology especially for TiFs is internalised misogyny. I feel like it’s due to society only seeing men as “people”, and since they know they’re people inside they must be men then, or not women. That paired with the impossible expectations of what being a “woman” is.
No. 2117728
>>2117717Why would they disclose an athletes medical shit just to make three retards on the internet who don’t know that women don’t all look like anime toddlers happy
>>2117721It’s not dumb nonna, moid characters are definitely perceived as deep and cool by default, not even just in internet fandom. Often there will be a female character who is basically the same as a man but she will be shit on and labeled a bitch or Mary sue, look at Janeway kek
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>>2117728>th-three retardsYou mean literally everyone with eyes who isn't trying their hardest to cape for trannies? You really don't see why disclosing that would be integral for a woman's career? As the other anon said, it doesn't even seem like you understand what constitutes "high testosterone" in this context.
You're bringing up anime toddlers because like Ethel Cain, that's your own conception of women and you project hard. In TRA delusions, everyone is an anime toddler or some kind of man creature.
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>>2117696>Banda didn’t meet Caf’s gender DSD rules (differences in sex development) set by the Confederation of African Football (Caf) due to elevated testosterone levels. Omitted from the squad for refusing hormone suppression treatment, she could only be an official at the tournament.>Banda was identified as female at birth, so the criteria used to sideline her, which hasn’t been clarified, is the key.>CAF sets the eligibility rules for the African Cup, but they largely follow FIFA’s, even using some of the same wording.>FIFA, and as a result CAF, don’t have rules setting any limits for testosterone levels for female players, as other sports do>They don’t broach the subject of sex variations in female athletes, which other sports have>Neither soccer bodies give a clear guide on how players should have their sex “verified” but they both put the onus on teams to do it.idgi and i genuinely cant find anything saying shes intersex, it sounds like they didnt have well set regulations and shit happened. If her sex was a concern wouldn't they have done a chromosome test instead of a testosterone one? would she even have high testosterone if she was afab? dont intersex afabs with xy taken estrogen at a young age to start a proper transition due to not having a uterus and such? this entire infight is confusing me kek
also wikipedia says she "takes medication to reduce her levels of testosterone" but doesnt say its just estrogen, could be some type of blockers
someone with more knowledge pls clear my doubts
No. 2117755
Being anti-troon should be a politically neutral stance and I hate that it's been co-opted by terminally online retards so that anti-troon is seen a as a rightoid stance and pro-troon as the leftoid stance. It's so obnoxious. It's so obvious that troonerism is supported by both sides of the coin, because both sides of the political spectrum are dominated by scrotes and their retarded sensibilities.
>>2117741Since troonery has distorted so many peoples' minds, it's like they don't even realize that the elevated testosterone is an alarm-bell for anabolic steroid use, not gender-reassignment. I think Olympics (and sports in general) needs to re-evaluate their position on steroids, and especially re-evaluate it in the context of women with high-testosterone. For example, if a woman with unspecified hyperandrogenism went to the Olympics, would she also have to take drugs to limit her body's natural functioning, or would she be disqualified? What about a woman with PCOS? It's a really blurry line and I think if sporting regulators better defined hormonal irregularities, it'd be better for everyone. I don't have any stakes in the Imane drama, but if she was beaten by other women countless times before, how is it unfair that she won one game against someone unprepared?
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I don't even get this. I know one must be the asexual flag but what's the other
No. 2117805
>>2117795If an American news outlet just reported that "yeah this athlete is actually a man the olympics is just overtaken by trannies these days! wokeism will end us all!" based on a sourceless message on Telegram that went viral on social media that would be just as atrocious, if not even more so since they actually had the option to fact check, and there most likely would be consequences for false reporting.
>Russian media is deeply flawed and you always have to be cautious anyways, but it's not any more corrupt than american/european media.Russia is literally ranked 164 out of 180 countries in the Press Freedom Index and United States is the 48th, that's a pretty big difference even if the US isn't exactly topping the chart, and most European countries are at the
top of the list with the top 10 being Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Finland, Estonia, Portugal, Ireland, Switzerland and Germany. Just accept that the entire GC movement made a massive mistake and they need to be much more careful in the future about taking things at face value. Caping for Russia just to save face is embarrassing.
No. 2117879
>>2117795>not every anon is americanno shit nona i'm not american either. genuinely what does that have to do with anything? it's not even about russia being corrupt atp. believing a random telegram post is just plain retarded no matter what country it originates from. i purposefully stayed away from this entire discourse because i'm not forming an opinion until i see actual test results, documents, papers, SOMETHING other than some putin's cocksucker rambling and i was right
are you a belarussian? why are you caping for russia so hard
No. 2117899
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>>2117893then what actually happened?
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"Asked if XY athletes should be allowed to compete against women, Bacyadan said: 'In sparring it's OK, but if they have XY chromosomes in competition, they should abide by the rules.'
Bacyadan added on social media: 'I am trans at heart, but I did not take any hormones or steroids to look like a man. If I compete in the women's division, I don't think there's an issue.'"
No. 2118008
>>2117999The olympics should also stop letting trans-identifying women compete in the women's divisions
>If I compete in the women's division, I don't think there's an issue.'"1. You don't identify as female
2. Better get all that sponsorship monies since you would never be strong enough to qualify for the men's division
No. 2118062
>>2117872i agree with you on this, but its not really possible to "suddenly" find out you are xy in late adulthood. you'd find out during puberty as you'd be missing a menstrual cycle or developing male traits. finding out you are intersex as a teen girl must be a special type of hell though, i feel for them. i have nothing but sympathy for intersex people. it's something you literally can't help and are born with and often fucks up your health in so many ways.
>>2117935if you just found out last week you had swyers, you'd not have a period at all, like ever? its my understanding that swyers requires HRT to get menstruation, and even then its not assured, and unless you've been on hrt before finding out, i do not see how you could get periods? only research ive seen of non hrt swyer periods is when a person has hormone secreting cancers lmao. sorry to nitpick but i do be skeptical
No. 2118270
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>>2117872Your IQ is 50 then. Both of these cheaters knew very well than there was something up with their bodies (even ignoring the looks, things like not getting a period once adulthood approaches etc.), but kept it a secret, because the competition money is just too sweet. Moids NEVER deserve their feelings getting coddled. You put yourself in the spotlight out of your own volition, knowing full well that people are going to put 2 and 2 together (your appearance and the failed IBA sex tests) and you expect to be handled like fine glass instead of being ridiculed and shat upon? Moids can be so manipulative.
No. 2118274
>>2117872They won't attack trannies publicly because they know it will end poorly for them, but they
will attack women freely because misogyny is normalized and accepted, especially online. They scream and whine about troons but they'll never actually scream and whine
at them, because they're scared of the backlash, so instead they'll save all their pent-up anger and frustration and unleash it on some poor woman who doesn't really deserve it. Happens time and time again. Misogyny is so circular, and the blind refuse to see that.
No. 2118285
>>2117932>Laughing in PCOS sadness.are you from fucking reddit
look it's not our fault that you are insecure and identify with moids but xy person is still a biological male. god i knew it had to be something like this, some insecure body dysmorphia suffering retards getting apeshit over this because they think they personally are being attacked
No. 2118291
>>2118280if you honestly, seriously think this
>>2118270 and how angela carini looks are the same you seem autisticly face blind. they have some similar features but saying angela is as masculine as him is retarded.
No. 2118295
>>2118290sorry about your pcos but women with that do not actually look like men. it's just your own personal body dysmorphia issue, it's just your personal issue that you think that saying "biological males are males" or pointing out that this
>>2118270 right here looks like a man, and think that means every single woman has to be dainty blonde hyper-d cup feminine princess women. it doesn't.
what i am saying that saying people with xy chromosomes are biological males is not calling YOU personally a man. you are just taking it as an attack unnecessarily.
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>>2118290Because you're a retarded newfag troll who came straight straight from 4chan, that's why. That information is confidential UNLESS the person involved publishes it itself.
Try to refute any point in my pic, mouthbreathing troglodyte.
No. 2118327
>>2118322>That isn't the point of my postNo, I think the point of your post was to attack the person you thought I was and to demean them kek. It didn't work though because you responded to the wrong anon, so really you just kinda look like a jackass.
>>2118320>You're a retarded newfag troll straight from 4chan.I'm writing this one in my diary. This one actually did make me laugh out loud.
No. 2118337
>>2118333You didn't make a point to begin with you just rambled about something in a personal attack.
>>2118334I could make a Twitter account right now and tweet out that you're a troon. That doesn't make it reality. You're posting a tweet and trying to pass it off as irrefutable proof. A
tweet. Let that sink in for a moment, and then you might soon realize why it is stupid to post this and act like it's proof. I haven't deigned to refute it because to do so would be beneath me, as someone with an IQ over 90.
No. 2118346
>>2118342Kek you got me.
>>2118340Do you mean me specifically, or anyone that disagrees with you, since everyone that disagrees with you just becomes the same person in your mind anyway?
No. 2118354
>>2118349Yes, my name is Susan Whitewoman I'm from Americatown, USA, and my age is somewhere between 40 and 60. People often call me "Sly Susan" or "Coy Susan" because I'm very sly and coy.
>>2118352Maybe it's a sign we both log off for the night?
No. 2118355
>>2118337I didn't post the tweet you silly goose, do you know what NTA means? Also the tweet comes from one of the people who broke the initial news, if a news article was tweeted would you immediately go "nah that's not real it's stupid twitter stuff". Your >90 IQ doesn't seem to be doing much if I, a literal sped can read better than you.
>inb4 ad homNah, I'm just sick of the days long infight and honestly one the fence about the whole situation.
No. 2118357
>>2118320Whole post is good but
>10. "L & K were only singled out because they don't look feminine!"
>This idea that Lin and Khelif were singled out for not meeting some "western feminine beauty standard" is atrocious and quite easily refutable when you look at literally any of their competitors, most of whom do not meet that arbitrary standard themselves because boxing is a physically demanding sport for robust people, male or female.Exactly, the trannies are heavily telling on themselves and their view of "non-western women" with that one lmao. Are we supposed to believe most of the "western" female athletes look hyperfeminine and delicate to begin with just because they're white? I guess that's a sensible worldview for a delusional racist.
No. 2118361
>>2118353I hope you're merely acting retarded and not genuinely retarded.
TASS decided to publish that story. It's using the reach it has to promote the narrative about the boxer's gender and cause confusion and chaos in the Western part of the internet.
No. 2118366
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>>2118360You are so funny and big brained, I hope you're trolling
No. 2118371
>>2118364I'm starting to think they don't have the test results or something?
>>2118366My brain is normal-sized and I'm NOT a troll just because I don't align myself with troon ideology. I thought LC was full of NTA people but I guess I was wrong…
No. 2118394
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>>2118390oh no so there is two of you with the exact same retarded posting style it's like an army of this kid
No. 2118403
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>>2118401you really think you are smart huh
No. 2118406
>>2118394>>2118397Actually, you are right. I'm something called the Demiurge, and I actually created this whole website, nay, this whole reality to fuck with you specifically by arguing with you online. Every post on LC, actually no everything on this Earth that you dislike, is actually just another form of me, the Demiruge. Unfortunately, you fall for my traps over and over. It's okay though. Tomorrow, I'll post more stuff that you don't like just to piss you off specifically and to make you angry, because again everything you don't like is me. Also, whenever a bird shits on your head, that's also me too.
No. 2118407
>>2118404did you know this is an imageboard. could you imagine what that would suggest.
btw any chance you are from northern european region i have a gut feeling
No. 2118411
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>>2118406oh no you seriously thought you ate with that one kek
No. 2118414
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i hate it when scrotes get uppity
No. 2118541
File: 1722670233567.mp4 (937.25 KB, 1280x720, gross.mp4)
Gross Arab Y-chromosome-havers can't stop themselves from bad-touching women in public.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
No. 2118553
>>2118547Still trying to deflect?
Argue against this:
>>>/ot/2118320You're a legit schizo and you can't even read.
No. 2118556
>>2118553You're linking me to a tweet. Swear to God if the Iraq War happened today Bush would have said those WMDs were seen in a tweet. Also, argue against this:
>>2117736You're a legit schizo and you can't even read.
Also, try to avoid using periods to finish your sentences, since this anon
>>2118394 and others like her think if you use punctuation you're actually just me in disguise. Just wanted to let you know so you don't get those samefag accusations.
No. 2118575
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>>2118561Are you talking about this picture of her as a little girl wearing a pink sweatshirt, hair berets, and hoop earrings? Or a different picture?
No. 2118580
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>>2118575Samefag for another photo of her as a child, this time beside her sister.
No. 2118591
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>>2118583Nevermind I found it. I just don't get why the boxer's not wearing one unless there's some loophole rules for hijabs, I'm not from there so again I dunno
No. 2118593
>>21179041. There's no proof of Imane having XY chromosomes. No test results have been ever presented. She has passed the sex tests for the Olympics two times now.
2. Nobody even
said it was Imane who was kicked out of the world championships for having XY chromosomes. This "proof" is based on one sentence from the IBA chairman who said that some competitors had to be disqualified from the world championships for having XY chromosomes. This image
>>2117899 here is completely falsified news.
3. Imane was disqualified from the world championships because the Russian-owned IBA is an organization SO corrupt they got kicked out of IOC (which is an accomplishment in itself), she got the boot AFTER winning against a Russian opponent. It is not specified why she was suddenly disqualified.
4. Imane has lost to 9 women. She lost to an Irish woman in the last olympics and didn't even go home with a medal. She clearly doesn't have some kind of super advantage with her body.
5. Russia has been attacking the Olympics relentlessly after IBA got kicked out and that along with their regular media psyops they have been milking the narrative of the Olympics being western morally corrupt debauchery with all them gays and trannies, so accusing them of allowing a man to compete in female sports fits that perfectly.
No. 2118604
man thsi thread has gfone to shit.
>>2118561>>2118591the hijab isn't mandatory for women in algeria. many wear it but it's not the law. not every muslim country is run like iran.
No. 2118618
>>2118593Is this the best you can do, paid shill? Try harder.
> She has passed the sex tests for the Olympics two times now.WRONG.
No tests are required by IOC - they only look at your passport/ID card and check the F/M mark, they've admitted it themselves.
You should be banned for spreading misinformation anyway.
>This "proof" is based on one sentence from the IBA chairman It was THEIR OFFICIAL DECISION THEY DISPLAY ON THEIR WEBSITE, you snake. Here, retard, read this
>>>/ot/2117042
>Imane was disqualified from the world championships because the Russian-owned IBA is an organization SO corrupt they got kicked out of IOCAddressed in
>>>/ot/2118320, you lying piece of shit. Get better script.
>Imane has lost to 9 womenDoesn't matter. He still took a spot from a biological woman who could compete in his place. The troon weightlifter also lost to women in the Tokyo Olympics
>https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/58054891- doesn't make him any less of a male.
>Russia has been attacking the Olympics relentlessly after IBA got kicked outSo what? IOC deserves the hate for all the bullshit they've been pulling for DECADES, the troon shenanigans being the most recent cherry on the dogshit top. Just because the criticism is coming from Russia, doesn't make it any less
valid, even a broken clock etc.
No. 2118619
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>>2118608I just find it disingenuous to pretend like these athletes from Africa and the Middle East are actually secretly men because they have some sort of genetic condition as if that divorces them from the pains of being a woman in the developing world. They'll always ever just be
victims of misogyny anyway, in ways worse than the Western mind could even imagine. If you're born with a vagina, you're a woman to the eyes of the majority. Semenya was born with a developed vagina For that reason I think it's gross to call Semenya a man, she was born with a vagina, lived her whole life as a woman, and now because of a genetic test she has a million people calling her a tranny. I genuinely feel bad for people with intersex conditions because it seems like the gender-critical movement can't decide its position on their existence.
>>2118618Picrel
No. 2118635
>>2118624>the specific condition he has (over half identify as males as adults)From the research I've read, this is the statistic from if they've been given androgenic therapy in their adolescent years. I.e., even when giving virilizing therapy as a teenager, half of them with the disorder will still identify as the sex assigned at birth. I'm unaware if Semenya underwent this therapy as a teenager. I don't have a good answer for the male uniform at school thing, but I do recall when I was a junior in high school, I also switched to wearing the boy's uniform (pants instead of skirt) because I didn't like how men on the public bus would look at my legs when I wore a skirt. I just think if Semenya was a man, why wouldn't she just be one? Patriarchy is much stronger in South Africa, and troons aren't exactly welcomed, so it would be more beneficial for Semenya to just take the therapy and become a man if that were the case. But she hasn't. That leads me to believe that she sees herself as a woman, and since she was born with a vagina and identified by her doctors as a woman, and everyone around her sees her as a woman, I'm inclined to believe that line of thinking. For what it's worth, Semenya also lost her most recent competition in 2022.
>>2118629I just think of that poor Polish lady Ewa. What she went through because of the incorrect test results ruined her entire career and the public backlash about the error changed the way the IOC conducts these tests.
No. 2118642
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>>2118629They can just test any participant with the testosterone levels of a man for their chromosomes. I don't think some of you realize that 5-ARD males produce 20x the amount of testosterone as PCOS sufferers, it's an insanely high difference to any actual female
No. 2118643
>>2118634its a lot cheaper and faster to test for doping compared to genetics and doping tests don't involve legal consent to store your genetic material, that's my point.
The equipment needed to do this is also extremely expensive and many hospitals don't even have the technology that can do this testing it is that specialised, you would need genetic counsellors involved, lawyers etc. basically it would require billions of dollars probably on the scale of the Olympics.
No. 2118783
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>A Hungarian sports official has come out and stated that Algerian boxer Imane Khelif is not female. István Kovács, the European Vice President of the World Boxing Organization and former Secretary General of the International Boxing Association, told Hungarian press that he had warned the International Olympic Committee about males participating in women’s boxing as early as 2022, but that nothing was done.>In a shocking statement made to Magyar Nemzet yesterday, Kovács confirmed the speculation surrounding the Algerian boxer, adding that it had been known as early as 2022 that Khelif was biologically male.>“The problem was not with the level of Khelif’s testosterone, because that can be adjusted nowadays, but with the result of the gender test, which clearly revealed that the Algerian boxer is biologically male,” Kovács said in an interview with Magyar Nemzet, adding that a total of five boxers had been examined including Khelif by the International Boxing Association, and all of them “were indeed men.”>Kovács asserted that he personally reported shocking result immediately to the International Olympics Committee, “but as unbelievable as it is, they have not responded to this to this day.” The retired world champion boxer also commented that he recently spoke with former women’s world champion Mária Kovács, who bitterly remarked that in modern women’s boxing, “there is a 20 percent chance that one of the athletes will suffer a testicular injury.”https://reduxx.info/international-olympic-committee-was-warned-about-male-boxers-world-boxing-organization-vice-president-says/ No. 2118799
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BTW, the Wikipedia revision history for the Taiwanese is something else:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lin_Yu-ting&action=history>>2118786To make you seethe. Do your own research.
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>>2118593Ok, so I’m Russian, and I looked into it.
There are nothing about the specifics of the tests in the official statement. However, the
>>2117899 seems to be true because this is exactly what Umar Kremlev (the chairman) said in his Telegram channel.
However, I think we should take it with a grain of salt, as you said,
nonnie. Given the fact that that the organization has ties to Russia, and disqualifying the athletes would be beneficial: in Welterweight, excluding Imane helped Azalia Amineva, Russian athlete, and Uzbekistany athlete, Navbakhor (she even got the bronze medal). Excluding the other athlete, Lin Yu-Ting helped a Bulgarian athlete, Svetlana. I dunno, looks a bit suspicious to me.
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>>2118783>in modern women’s boxing, “there is a 20 percent chance that one of the athletes will suffer a testicular injury.”it's all so tiring
No. 2118818
>>2118797>I don't think having muscles makes a woman look manly.Me either, but unfortunately it seems like we're in the minority. In almost every exercise class I've taken part in, there is always a moment of conversation dedicated to "muscles might make you look manly, so we want to be
toned not muscular." You could also read some memoirs by women weightlifters or bodybuilders, usually they're very blunt about the misogyny they faced not only from their male counterparts, but from other women in their lives, all because of their pursuits.
>>2118790100% agree. Ilona Maher made a really great video about this recently, she was basically saying that she gets shit on everyday by people that don't know what they're talking about all because she has broad shoulders and a sharp jaw. It's crazy that people can look at some of the best athletes on the planet, and then go "yikes but she has biceps she's a monster EW!"
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>>2117691you're right about the crabs in a bucket mentality but i feel some of them are beyond that and it's a custish/religious mindset. like instead of preaching salvation through accepting jesus or allah or whoever, they're rying to preach enlightenment through hormones.
in general there's a big religious element to some gendie beliefs imo
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>>2118811I looked into it a bit more, and he’s definitely lying in his post when he says that they had a meeting “with a full bench”. Of course, it doesn’t prove anything about Imane and Lin. But at the same time, he’s not impartial, and this is his platform where he can basically say whatever he wants. It’s not an official statement and really shouldn’t be treated as such.
No. 2118835
>>2118825>In general there's a big religious element to some gendie beliefs imoI agree, but twofold. Firstly, usually people that come from restrictive and very religious households have weird gender issues to begin with, like very strict gender role adherence, latent misogyny, etc., that can act as the precipice to troonery. (I.e., "I grew up believing only girls could wear dresses, so if I wear a dress then I'm a girl!" instead of "I grew up believing only girls could wear dresses, but now I see the illusion of clothing being gendered and realize it's stupidity.) Secondly, once they breech the troon line and they start trying to recruit others, it becomes much more cult-like instead of religious. I.e., it's not about faith, it's about facts, and their "facts" are just dressed up fibs. Troonism is a cult definitely, and I've noticed the ones that have a very religious background are usually the ones with the most power and influence in the cult.
No. 2118837
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>>2118790Muscular women don't look like males whatsoever, I don't think normies would usually feel the need to transvestigate them for that alone. Look at picrel, they're gymnasts who have buff as fuck upper bodies and narrow hips. They all still 100% look like women, and it isn't because they're wearing makeup. If anything, being muscular often enhances the natural curves of women because it gives them a more narrow waist and larger glutes. People think athletes like Imane are XY because they look male (even while being done up and wearing makeup) and sound male.
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>>2118837>>2117070Samefagging to add that this picture of Ledecky is a complete travesty, she's actually cute as fuck
No. 2118844
>>2118825God I love that meme so much. Gendershit is basically a religion, and has basically supplanted the role religion would occupy in the lives of its adherents. Think about it: they have a community, a shared sense of identity, a set of values it is evil to oppose, a personal sense of enlightenment, and a "born again" experience. The whole concept of "the gender of the soul" overriding observable reality is very religious in nature. These people claim to be atheists, agnostics, Wicca, Universalists, or even Reform Jews, but their true religion is the Church of Gender.
Not everybody needs religion in their lives, but some people genuinely benefit from it as a social lubricant and a sense of meaning. The kinds of people who get suckered into gender nonsense are adrift; they want to be special, but they also want to "fit in," somewhere, which causes them to bounce between different (typically online) communities and phases. People like this probably would have been religious converts of some kind if they had been born 50 years earlier. I dislike the way religions are exploited by political entities and how their doctrines justify wrongdoing, but I think religion is a positive thing for people with certain personality types. Some people just function better when they're part of a community and someone is giving them all the answers they need.
No. 2118855
>>2118837nonnie, they're still wearing make-up and are in feminine athletic wear. guarantee that if you put a lot of female athletes in more androgynous clothing and cut their hair shorter, you'd see a lot more claims of them being male. these women do have feminine facial features so it'd still be pretty easy but many have more androgynous faces. plus most of these claims come from seniles and conservatives who are faceblind retards and the people who transvestigate them never post them alongside actual males and only post pictures where they aren't dolled up or are taken from angles that accentuate certain features that make them look more masculine (ie. strong jaw or large nose).
>>2118838also hard agree with this, she is really pretty.
No. 2118972
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I legit don’t understand how they come to this conclusion. Do they even know anything about what she believes?
No. 2118985
>>2118972Jesus what's with these retards and le ebil Yt women? This is pathological at this point. I'm not white btw, but this shit is literally even ruining politics.
Like, in my country people are suffering but Americans and bri*ish people are like
>um, over there there's only le white people and being white = evilWho the fuck cares if there's white people? I really, really hate how only white people can be evil while anyone with any other skin color is a sweet little baby, it's just obnoxious, I just wish everyone could shut the fuck up about skin tones being required to be a certain amount of evil, to justify their hatred towards the opposite sex.
Why can't they all just admit they hate Rowling AND women alike and that's it? At this point it's not a fucking secret, everyone knows that to them, the problem is women who dare say that moids shouldn't be invading and taking away women's spots.
No. 2118995
>>2118972It's like they haven't read anything she has said.
"I believe a woman is a human being who belongs to the sex class that produces large gametes. It’s irrelevant whether or not her gametes have ever been fertilised, whether or not she’s carried a baby to term, irrelevant if she was born with a rare difference of sexual development that makes neither of the above possible, or if she’s aged beyond being able to produce viable eggs. She is a woman and just as much a woman as the others. I don’t believe a woman is more or less of a woman for having sex with men, women, both or not wanting sex at all. I don’t think a woman is more or less of a woman for having a buzz cut and liking suits and ties, or wearing stilettos and mini dresses, for being black, white or brown, for being six feet tall or a little person, for being kind or cruel, angry or sad, loud or retiring. She isn't more of a woman for featuring in Playboy or being a surrendered wife, nor less of a woman for designing space rockets or taking up boxing. What makes her a woman is the fact of being born in a body that, assuming nothing has gone wrong in her physical development (which, as stated above, still doesn't stop her being a woman), is geared towards producing eggs as opposed to sperm, towards bearing as opposed to begetting children, and irrespective of whether she's done either of those things, or ever wants to."
Dis is racism..
No. 2118996
>>2118972If you go out and interact with these people they act like fucking children, straight up. You will say "only a woman possesses a vagina" and they will literally reply back with "why are you reducing women to genitals?" As if you said "all femoids are vapid CUNTS" and not literally the fucking medical sex assignment procedure literally everywhere in the fucking world.
Also, notice their use of race when they understand that attention and care for their retarded religious psyop is floundering. I think these losers who are past the age of like, 20, understand that being called a "transphobe" will never be as heavy hitting as being called "racist" or "fascist" or a nazi. When they're at the end of their special snowflake
victim olympics rope, they clumsily and not as all subtlely accuse the gender critical crowd of bigotry that actually
has caused suffering for centuries. Calling a woman a transphobe is basically just hypersensitive retard speak for a woman who's either entirely too online or a woman who's really normie. And that's not a bigotry that has seen hundreds/thousands/millions of people die at the hands of hateful people kek. They're literally just overgrown adolescents trying to stomp and flap their way into getting what they want. It's so pathetic.
No. 2119011
>>2119007Pretty much this. Any time anyone relents to their demands they end up moving the goalpost. It's not about getting what they want, it's about forever being a
victim. Their movement depends on there always being
victims and them being on the verge of suicide if they don't get what they want.
The moment troons aren't considered a big part of the
victim olympics anymore they'll lose followers to another quirky identity type.
No. 2119017
>>2119011Yep, they're narcissistic to their cores and I genuinely believe if troons were forced into a therapy bootcamp designed to fix narcissists for 3 months, they'd come back and they wouldn't be troons anymore.
>The moment troons aren't considered a big part of the victim olympics anymore they'll lose followers to another quirky identity type.And in that glorious moment that 41% is gonna shoot up to 91% and I'm gonna be giddy.
As I read your post, I kept wondering how you changed the line spacing, but then I realized No. 2119131
>>2118320Fucking KEK you unironically use a twitter screencap as your earth shattering source, the absolute state of lolcow
>>2118340You’re a retard who came from tiktok last year and thinks that makes you some kind of oldfag, I just know it. I hate to break it to you anon, but not everyone on lolcow is a dumbass who trusts any random bullshit a twitter literalwho spews
(infighting) No. 2119188
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>calling the co-owner of reduxx a literal who
the state of trolling these days is pathetic
No. 2119292
>>2119245You're posting in a troon-critical lolcow thread. We all know what Reduxx is.
>>2119278Intersex/DSD has been completely subsumed into gender ideology, many people who don't know the difference between a man with a psychological disorder and a man with a genuine genetic disorder.
No. 2119321
>>2119294I know she is a woman because I have seen her uterus and ovaries myself (I have special radfem eyes that can detect chromosomes and also female organs or lack thereof), and yes I would also recommend all other radfems to be cautious, believing that males and females have major hormonal differences is an extremely slippery slope to believing that women belong in the kitchen, or, in a best case scenario, getting the shit beat out of them by testosterone-laden male women in contact sports.
To any fellow gnc women reading this, BEWARE! Cutting your hair short and wearing mens clothes will cause your uterus to disintegrate, your pussy to seal shut and transform into a penis, and all of your female-based oppression to disappear.
No. 2119371
>>2119321My post was normal meanwhile your's is just unhinged seething and mocking. You are not beating the allegations that the current radfem movement is filled with mentally ill uneducated tradtards.
Also im not even going to even get into how untrue and false your statement "major hormonal difference" on how a woman having higher testestorone automatically makes her a man considering 1 in 10 women have pcos and 1 in 1.500 women are intersex. Keep on descriminating though. I guess shitting on troons got too boring for you and also fuck off with your strawmanning crap you know damn well acussing gnc women of being trans puts those women in even more danger.
No. 2119376
>>2118972Rowling is the most famous GC person, therefore they think she "leads" the TERFs, even though the current wave of gender critical feminism was going on long before Rowling peaked. In their minds, debating whether people with DSDs have an unfair advantage in women's sports equals hating GNC women. They think that GNC women and troons are functionally the same, and that being black inherently makes a woman GNC. By that logic, to consider troons male is to consider non-white and GNC women male.
Kek at the shot they took at second wave feminism. Your "boomer mother's feminism" was actually about women. Third wave "feminists" care more about caping for troons and making excuses for Islam than they do about women. JK Rowling didn't set feminism back– third wave feminism did. Third wave feminists have failed to protect Roe v. Wade and they support policy that undermines Title IX, among many other things. What actual, woman-specific policies have third wave feminists successfully campaigned for?
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ANOTHER smalltime gaming youtuber with somewhat interesting content is trooning out, for fucks sake… what is it with the fucking community that causes moids to troon out? You don't become a woman, you just become an even worse fail male than what you originally was.
No. 2119394
>>2119357ayrt, i wasn't on reddit at the time r/gc was up, but holy shit that makes so much sense, thank you for the info
nonnie.
also something i forgot to add, a lot of these radfem-to-rw grifters are pretty similar to the nazi-to-commie troons, in the sense that it's not about actual beliefs they hold, but rather about being an edgy contrarian and going against the status quo, and then changing sides because they either were criticised by people who actually hold those beliefs and threw a tantrum over it or because they got bored and wanted a cool new edgy identity to latch onto.
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No. 2119466
>>2119461I meant all of us people with brains here on LC. I don't use those other sites they're too filled with retarded people.
>>2119465It's /ot/ dumbass she doesn't need to sage anything.
No. 2119479
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I don't know why but this made me feel sad. I have never seen this huge and big level of bandwagon hate and transvestigation against a woman.
She did look emotional, im guessing the hate did get to her.
>>2119463Not even that anon but why would it be fake, are you one of those retards who thinks women from the middle East or africa don't use the internet or don't know about imageboards.
Also social media is filled with people from Algeria defending Imane and even people from middle Eastern countries have wrote representative statements defending Khalif and saying she is a woman.
This situation has shocked me because this is the first time middle easterners have been more rational or progressive than westerners. I have to give them a W for this.
>>2119475Thats because they are lying, their ego is too big to admit that they bullied a biological woman so they will just continue doubling down on their lies. Nowhere in the video did Bach imply she was intersex.
>>2119476if only your intelligence was as big as your gaslighting
No. 2119485
>>2119479>I don't know why but this made me feel sad. I have never seen this huge and big level of bandwagon hate and transvestigation against a woman. It's literally a Russian psyop, as meme-ific as it sounds. IBA is mad as fuck at being kicked out of the olympics and thus began their attack against IOC. I was browsing the discussion on twitter earlier and I saw plenty of obvious Russian accounts making inflammatory posts about her and all the homophobic British "radfems" like
>>2119454 said are continuing it because they finally have a chance to openly hate on a masculine women.
No. 2119487
>>2119476I'm talking about the tweet anon posted?
>This is not a DSD case>This is not a transgender caseI don't understand what I'm missing here. It's a Tweet, not a rorschach test.
No. 2119500
>>2119484Only Western women can be lesbians. In the developing world, no lesbians exist at all. Especially if you're Arab. Arabs can only be Muslim as well as Straight (Except in Algeria where everyone is transsexual). It's easier for me to be racist than to grapple with the idea that women in the global south could ever be similar to me in any way. I am
very smart.
No. 2119518
>>2119501This feels racist and I rarely use that word. I have seen Algerians on every social media platform defending Imane so why would there not be one here? This site isn't as obscure as you think and english isn't this obscure language either you dumb ass murican.
We had multiple anons on different threads saying they are from Africa or the middle East so I don't know why you are surprised?
No. 2119521
>>2119518No, it's not racist!! I just know all Algerians live in mud huts and snort hormones all day!!!! And also all the Algerian women are actually just men. In Algeria, only t4t transbian wedding is legal. I know it's true because I believe it in my heart. And a heart
can't be racist.
No. 2119533
>>2119525I'm trying to
imply that I hate Arabs but I can't come across and say it directly so I'm gonna bundle it up in all this excessive bullshit (and try to make it
seem GC even though it's really just tradthot shit) so that I can get away with my racial prejudices and feel good about being retarded. Why won't you agree with me!!!!!! It'sprobably because your all TROONS!!!! Just like all those Allah damned Algerians. It's all because the Arabs did 9/11 and 10 months after that my grandpa died it's all there fault I HATE THEM!!!!
(racebait) No. 2119563
>>2119545Imagine being a woman born in a small village in Algeria where you have to sell scrap metal to get by and you are discouraged from sports but you still do it because that is your dream and you finally realise your dream by getting in the Olympics all for a bunch of mentally ill western right-wingers to accuse you of being a man/tranny because they suffer from tranny obssesed hysteria.
I feel sorry for her and after this I'm going to side eye british and western radfems even more.
No. 2119566
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>It's unlikely that anon is actually who they claim to be given of the demographics of the site's user base. I am a genius at computer programming so I've hacked into the Lolcow mainframe and bypassed the Pixyteri firewall protections so now I have compiled a list of all your IPS and I can clearly see that only American Wifi lets you use LC. So CLEARLY all you FAKE foreigners are LYING! I am incredibly very smart.
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>>2119558You genuinely, seriously believe that I think Algeria is full of mud huts with no internet because I accused a person on an anonymous image board of lying in a context where it would be convenient to?
No. 2119575
>>2119569Yeah it was used by another retarded tradthot so I thought I'd repurpose it and upload it as a .jpeg because I'm smart enough to save things as .jpegs and not .webp files.
>>2119572You keep posting these gay little tweets and I don't know how to break it to you but for grown ups, that's like showing me some squiggly lines in crayon drawn by a toddler and telling me it's a contract.
>>2119573Promise I'm not the twittard nerd. I'm making fun of them kek.
No. 2119594
>>2119580>>2119584You are obviously not very intelligent considering you were confusing Algerians with other nationalities and acted shocked that a algerian women would dare be on this site and then tried to beckpedal and say that's not what you meant even though we all have eyes and can see your posts.
Either way I encourage all other MENA anons in this thread to please stop replying to this moron, just stop replying to them PLEASE
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I personally as a GNC woman do not feel alienated by radfems or GC because I have a self-esteem and don't care if the occasional tradthot seethes at a woman being unfeminine. The constant whining about "waah evel radfems hating GNC women" is probably half a tranny psyop anyway.
No. 2119603
>>2119597Look at this post.
>>2119571What did you mean by this? Because I took it as you were dumb enough to think Arabs didn't live in Algeria.
No. 2119611
>>2119454>I'm an algerian lesbian pro-woman and i have PCOS, i have facial hair, hairy arms and legs and belly, have some masculine face traits I'm just like you (minus Algerian and lesbian, still Amazigh though) and i, women with PCOS, still don't naturally produce T that's in the male range, still don't look as male as Imane, still don't have XY chromosomes (allegedly). I think someone said it earlier here but PCOS makes you hairy, gives you acne, maybe obese, it doesn't make you look like Semenya. This is ridiculous. Look, i get supporting Khelif out of patriotism or even feeling kinship because s(he) was raised as a NA girl and faced the hell that is female socialization in that context, but other athletes still deserve fair conditions.
>they just want white women with traditional gender roles winning White women in sports
do not look traditionally feminine for the most part. As long as coaches and orgs feel comfortable letting males in, female athletes of all backgrounds will get transvestigated because it creates a climate of suspicion, on top of retarded assumptions about how dainty a woman should be.
>>2119593I agree. I'd even say that her case is slightly different from Semenya's, because her socialization actually stuck and she seems really attached to the idea that she's wholly female. Meanwhile Semenya got a woman pregnant and seemed more male-aligned in childhood aswell as in his(?) adult life.
Slight OT but american characterizations of that Italian boxer as a drama queen 'muh white woman tears' are funny because North Africans are the same. It's a mediterranean thing.
No. 2119617
>>2119609It could really affect her performance, I'm hoping the Algerian government creates more political stink about this because it could cost her some medals.
>>2119612Yeah yeah go figure out the stalker ex situation then come back and post.
No. 2119623
>>2119594>you were confusing Algerians with other nationalitiesOkay, you must be confusing me with another anon at this point, because I never did this. I never even mentioned any countries besides Algeria.
>>2119594I stand by the literal first fucking thing I said, and everything else after. I think the anon claiming to be algerian is lying. Not because I think that Algerians are verboten from using the site or whatever retarded nonsense you're projecting on me, but because it's
statistically unlikely. That has zero to do with what countries have what infrastructure, and everything to do with the site itself being very anglophone-centric in terms of the cows and topics it covers. Obviously there are people here from non-English speaking countries who are still drawn to that discussion, but people are just more likely to post here if they're from the same cultures as the cows. We don't have any Algerian cows, so fewer Algerians interested in internet drama are going to post here. Not NONE, just way fewer than countries with cows featured on the site. Anon might not be lying, but it's very likely that they are, especially given how full of bait and infighting this thread is. I think they're lying. Scream at me all you like, you're not changing my mind.
No. 2119632
>>2119598how is being critical of right wing "radfem" larpers a tranny psyop kekk
anyways, rerailing the thread: were any of you nonnies a-okay with tifs (or were even a tif yourself) but the second you came into contact with tims you peaked? i was a tif for nearly a decade and i somehow managed to not interact with tims at all
funny looking back, even in my most staunch pro-trans phase i was still uncomfortable around tims and male tra's, but the second the tme/tma discourse broke out i went from trutrans ftm to
terf within a year lmao.
No. 2119638
>>2119623Yeah and it's statistically unlikely that someone can be born with a skull as dense and thick as yours with nothing inside it, but yet it's happened. It's almost like statistically improbable things happen every day… Stop digging yourself into a deeper hole you just keep coming off more and more stupid. We don't really wanna change your mind, we don't think you have a mind, we just wanna laugh at you for being retarded the same way I laugh at the cows.
>>2119633No, this is a fake post crafted by the troll. I could tell right away when she mentioned Amazigh, it's her subtle way of trying to dig herself out of the hole she dug when she said Arabs don't live in Algeria. She probably googled Algeria and saw Amazigh come up and just used that without thinking. Then of course she tried to write an entire post rebuking everything the other Algerian said. It was weird and I could tell it was fake.
>>2119634You're angry because I called you out for using schitzo and finding your old posts so now you're projecting kek
No. 2119642
>>2119598I hate that kind of solipsism, it's too common in debates around gender ideology. 'Sexually ambiguous person is bullied because they don't conform to their assigned sex, i'm a GNC whole woman and was bullied for it so it must mean they are totally FEMALE and it's MISOGYNISTIC to claim otherwise!! Me! Me! Me!' It's slightly less infuriating than hyperfeminine libfems who make up entire stories about being transvestigated, but it stems from the same solipsism issue.
>>2119623There are tons of people of Algerian descent in Europe and Canada, including 1st-gen students who are abroad for their degree. Exposure to american culture is extremely common regardless.
>>2119633Yes. I know tons of women with PCOS (I'm sure you know it's more common in MENA/asian/african women) and none of them look so ambiguous that they are
genuinely (not mockingly) suspected to be intersex. Deep voices and being gay aren't intersex traits.
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>>2119644……. You're gonna sit here and tell me Algerians aren't Arabs….. Like for real you're gonna do that….
(derailing) No. 2119649
>>2119603The very, very vast majority of Algerians are Amazigh, not Arabs not matter how some of them are in denial. Stop embarrassing yourself.
I was going to say "some of us" but I know I'm not an Arab so I had to correct myself. And this also applies to the rest of Maghreb.
(derailing) No. 2119657
>>2119638I am not the person who said stuff about Arabs in Algeria. I never mentioned Arabs until right now in this specific reply. I know for a fact now that you are confusing me with someone else. Ask the fucking farmhands if you want, the only posts from me are the ones accusing the "Algerian lesbian" of lying. I don't even think the boxers are male! I think that they're women with DSDs and I disagree with the people calling them male.
You aren't laughing, you're clearly furious at me. Idk why, all I did was call a random anon a liar. The most I've done is call you a retard, meanwhile you're cooking up elaborate, tryhard insults. Not the behavior of an unbothered person, anon.
(derailing) No. 2119670
>>2119632Kek
nonnie I was trans for nine years, the tme/tma discourse got me combined with the transandro discourse. I remember getting so upset about it but not being able to talk to anyone (afraid I'd get called a dirty transmisogynist and lose my friends), so I started writing out whoooole essays in my notes app that was basically me saying "I think trans women might be treating trans men like how men treat women, maybe, possibly, for some reason that I don't want to admit."
No. 2119684
>>2119657>You aren't laughing, you're clearly furious at me.Yeah I'm shooting darts at a board with your face on it as we speak. Naturally you're anonymous so it's just a blank piece of paper. I'm so enraged arghh my blood pressure!
>meanwhile you're cooking up elaborate, tryhard insults.I don't know if you're genuinely dumb or not but I don't think anything I've said has been quite elaborate. Maybe I used some big words with more than three syllables. I'm sorry for that.
(infighting) No. 2119689
>>2119688I get what you mean. I think people for some reason think that gender dysphoria is real and not just a mental illness like anorexia or depression. To treat it, you don't enable it. You have to try and find the root problem. I never got close to trooning out myself, but when I was a young girl I had a lot of gender issues because everyone around me couldn't comprehend that I was a girl and that I liked "boy" things so I always felt like such a black sheep. I felt like I was a girl but that I was a "bad" girl or that I was somehow "wrong" in some fashion. When I got to my tween years, I kind of realize that the idea of "gender" is stupid, not because of troons or anything, but because it's just kind of silly if you think about it for a while I guess. Like why were all the 45 year olds so mad at me when I was 9 because I liked picking up frogs and playing manhunt in the woods with the other kids in the neighbourhood? Why shouldn't a girl be able to do all that? Why are only boys allowed? Why can't I wear shorts or pants?
By the time I was 14 was when I really started becoming interested in feminism, and as I did more research and reading and I realized it was normal for GNC women like me to feel a certain alienation. I learned it wasn't because there was something wrong with me like I was born in the wrong body, there's something wrong with the society that tries to push all that shit down my throat.
No. 2119692
>>2119670relate heavily to the notes app venting kek. honestly kinda miss those days, mostly because transmasc spaces are the few female-only spaces left online and in general lgbtqxyz+ places. also calling yourself a t4t gay trans man was a get out of jail free card for being a lesbian/febfem without getting called transphobic. the pissed off tims were right in one aspect though - i remember them saying how the "transadrophobia" thing was radfem rhetoric and how it's a pipeline to becoming a
terf. broken clock, twice a day etc.
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the italian boxer/notorious quitter/crybaby just made a public apology to imane khelif, and said she regrets not shaking her hand and if she had a chance in the future she would choose to 'embrace' her.
imane khelif screamed "i am a woman" as she won against the boxer that publicly called her a "monster" a few hours before their fight.
the IOC says imane khelif "was born female, was registered female, lived her life as a female, boxed as a female, has a female passport".
it is absolutely ludacris that figures like jk rowling, elon musk, and logan paul are spewing hateful rhetoric against this woman and calling her a tranny when AT WORST she has a genetic defect that still makes her a woman.
pic related is the kind of stuff you will read on both lolcow and twitter and are expected to believe these people are "for women" (just not ugly women with genetic disabilities rofl)
No. 2119732
>>2119721Source:
István Kovács, the European Vice President of the World Boxing Organization and former Secretary General of the International Boxing Association, told Hungarian press that he had warned the International Olympic Committee about males participating in women’s boxing as early as 2022, but that nothing was done.
In a shocking statement made to Magyar Nemzet yesterday, Kovács confirmed the speculation surrounding the Algerian boxer, adding that it had been known as early as 2022 that Khelif was biologically male.
“The problem was not with the level of Khelif’s testosterone, because that can be adjusted nowadays, but with the result of the gender test, which clearly revealed that the Algerian boxer is biologically male,” Kovács said in an interview with Magyar Nemzet, adding that a total of five boxers had been examined including Khelif by the International Boxing Association, and all of them “were indeed men.”
https://reduxx.info/international-olympic-committee-was-warned-about-male-boxers-world-boxing-organization-vice-president-says/>>2119721 No. 2119734
>>2119723>Cause the IOC would never lie… like the IBA would never lie? the one that accused her of not being female after their precious golden girl russian boxer lost a fight against imane?
the “failed tests” were thrown out by the IOC because
1.) imane had all passing tests before beating the russian fighter, at which point the russian commission said she actually failed
2.) the russian commission was removed due to corruption charges and has not been a recognised organisation since 2021
3.) she has passed all tests from other agencies
there's nothing really to talk about. i bet you're ten times uglier than imane, tsk.
No. 2119735
>>2119730Okay but my question is, if it's a naturally occurring phenomenon in her, and if it's an unfair advantage, why is Phelps great wing span or weird lactic acid stuff considered totally not an unfair advantage? ATP the Olympics just need to start testing every single athlete that participates in rigid testing that makes sure there are no biological advantages for any player. But, instead it's only the women that get shat on. Phelps and the other men get celebrated as stars. Is that not kinda unfair?
>>2119734No the IBA is the organization I support so they're always telling truth always and forever.
No. 2119742
>>2119730>If they were assigned female at birth and lived their entire lives as female, they should be considered female. Disagree
>But still has an advantage against other women and it's unfair. Agree
>I still think this person is different from a honest and true tranny, and it pisses me off that people think they are the same.What's a 'true and honest' tranny. I don't see any difference between Imane and any of the other men documented here:
https://www.shewon.org/males since Imane would have know since teenage age that he was male and kept competing in women's sports anyway.
No. 2119749
>>2119742You disagree with someone being assigned female at birth being considered a female? That's paradoxical to being GC. The other option would be be that that they were assigned female at birth, and would be considered a male at a later time, which is just extra words to say a TIF.
>>2119747It's literally 1 troll trying to get the thread locked kek.
No. 2119753
>>2119735It's unfair because women's sports are segregated because of testosterone. More testosterone is ALWAYS an advantage for every sport (including gymnastics). Not so with other genetic differences (i.e. height).
>>2119746No one's "forgotten" about it, it's just two weeks old at this point.
No. 2119763
>>2119746Did people talk about this on here? I remember hearing about it and I checked a few threads, but I couldn't find any posts about it.
>>2119762Girl c'mon. KEK.
No. 2119767
>>2119735kek
>>2119738the IBA throwing a fit when a new international org was formed to get away from their country:
https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1135907/iba-slams-world-boxing-formationIBA has its recognition stripped:
https://www.reuters.com/sports/international-boxing-association-is-stripped-its-recognition-ioc-2023-06-22/IBA president accuses imane of XY chromosome after beating his fighter:
https://www.reuters.com/sports/olympics/boxing-two-boxers-who-failed-gender-tests-world-championships-cleared-games-2024-07-29/
>The IBA did not disclose documentation at the time or reveal what tests were conducted. Questions were also raised because the organization, which was led by Russian official Umar Kremlev, did not disqualify Khelif until after she had already beaten a Russian boxer. No. 2119789
>>2119734>like the IBA would never lie? the one that accused her of not being female after their precious golden girl russian boxer lost a fight against imaneWhich russian fighter and where? Reduxx says Imane didn't compete against a Russian fighter in the 2023 championships and Russia wasn't in the Arab Games, Mediterranean Games, or African Boxing Championships for obvious reasons. Was this some other event?
https://x.com/Slatzism/status/18194275377405588489. "The IBA only disqualified L & K because they beat Russian boxers at the 2023 championships!"
No they did not. I started seeing this weird, completely false claim circulating over the last 24 hours.
Khelif beat Thailand's Janjaem Suwannapheng and was set to compete against China's Yang Liu for gold in the Welterweight category.
Lin beat Bulgaria's Svetlana Kamenova Staneva for bronze in the Featherweight category.
They were scheduled to fight no Russian boxers in either one of their categories, and only one Russian boxer won a gold medal in the entire championship (Anastasiia Demurchian, Light Middleweight).
India won the most gold medals (4) at the 2023 Women's Championship. China won the most medals overall (7). Kazakhstan won the second most medals overall (6). Russia only won 3 medals at the championship.
Also worth noting that another Taiwanese boxer, Huang Hsiao-wen, won gold in the Bantamweight category. So for all the Taiwanese mouthpieces claiming Lin's disqualification was just "discrimination against Taiwan"… lol no.
No. 2119790
>>2119778The year is 2034. Tradthots have conquered the continental United States. Now, for a baby to be diagnosed as either male or female you must pay the queen tradthot, Blaire White, for an expensive and grueling test of their chromosomes. Doctors can no longer believe their eyes, because having an education is now illegal. Every day I wake up at 6AM to sing my first praise songs to Blaire and submit more cells to be tested for chromosome irregularities. Without the daily tests, I'd never be able to walk outdoors… Then, nobody would ever be able to tell if I was a troon or not… They could just use their eyes, but how can eyes ever really be sure!? The tests takes about a week to process, but since I have to take them everyday, I can't leave my house. Sometimes I wonder about the before times, the long long ago, when we trusted our eyeballs and we weren't the punching bag for the troons that assumed power after the tradthot coup d'etat. Sometimes I dream of escaping and seeing other w-a-man…? It's been so long I forgot the word for us…. Someday I dream of a bright future where doctors are trusted enough to say if someone is a male female or intersex based on their eyesight and professional opinion as educated healthcare professionals. But alas, Blaire is calling for my next hourly Troon-Spangled Banner recital, so I must leave now.
>>2119768Ohh that make sense, I was looking on /ot/ Youtuber thread and I thought I checked /snow/ but I guess I didn't look well enough or maybe I clicked the wrong thread. Thanks for spoonfeeding. Now I have evening reading to look forward to, kek.>>2119781No, obviously women can't ever beat a man. So all her opponents must have been men too. Duh. This whole sport is just for men and troons.
No. 2119791
>>2119778NTA but you're being daft. "assigned gender"= the gender that the doctor says you have (quote on quote, "assigns you") when you are born and is then
put into all your documents.
No. 2119798
>>2119773so should they go to the Paralympics? would that potentially solve this issue kek
>>2119781Testosterone levels alone doesn't really give you the full picture, you don't know how strong their bones and muscles are from going through a more typically male puberty (some XX women are born unable to convert testosterone to estrogen and so they can develop male secondary sexual characteristics in puberty, but they could then take estrogen supplements as an adult before the olympics and have low t, this is considered a DSD too.)
No. 2119800
>>2119776the second even one trans critical person fucks up, large platform or not, radfem/gc or conservative, it all gets blamed on us anyways. i think this one might be especially bad if she turns out to be female, seeing as some high profile people who are considered "terfs" by troons (jk rowling for example) were backing the whole imane is a male theory. it's not like the troons are helping though, seeing as the controversy of men in female sports took off this much due to their bullshit. it might cement the "
terf=conservative and backwards" narrative in the minds of a lot of more normie people though. i don't know how exactly it would affect the trans rights movement though.
No. 2119809
>>2119800My friends and I are already talking about how Rowling is gonna come back for this one. We're thinking she's gonna just gonna shift to full tradang LARP territory and run for political office. I know some of you don't have GC friends outside LC (get some if you can!) but most of us are seeing this as what it is: Russian propaganda. They want to make us seem like bumpkins like
>>2119800 says, so that we aren't taken seriously, and so that the troon ideology can continued to be pushed to weaken the USA for eventual Orthodox cultural victory.
No. 2119812
>>2119800>the second even one trans critical person fucks up, large platform or not, radfem/gc or conservative, it all gets blamed on us anyways.Yes that's fair, I agree. It seems like that's the case for both sides IMO. I think there's a pattern to the troons but I think it's ridiculous to say that every troon is a rapist like you see on Twitter. That sort of thinking made me delete my account long ago since it's all so tiring.
>>2119805I'm not trying to spin anything. I'm not very invested in this situation to be honest but I see a lot of the people who are extremely online and invested in the troon issue 24/7 seemingly losing their mind about this right now. I agree with a lot of the points but the repeated chants of "men taking things away from women", "single sex spaces", etc that do make sense overall are being applied to this issue without nuance. I personally don't see the troon topic ever going away in our lifetime. It's going to always be a background topic that most people (me included) are going to get tired of and tangentially related events like this are only going to accelerate common sense talking points being watered down. Sorry if I came off as trying to spin anything. I'm definitely open to being wrong about this.
No. 2119813
>>2119809Has she been vocal about intersex/DSD athletes?
I'm not sure I actually know her opinion on intersex people in sports, care to enlighten us?
No. 2119816
>>2119800> seeing as the controversy of men in female sports took off this much due to their bullshit. it might cement the "terf=conservative and backwards" narrative in the minds of a lot of more normie people though.it could be worse, it could lead to the narrative that
terf = transvestigator.
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Has everyone forgotten about Caster Semenya?! For a decade we were told the South African runner was just a woman with unusually high testosterone. Any accusations that Caster was a man were also met with "you just think she's a man because she's a WOC". Finally in 2019 authorities admitted Caster is indeed male with the DSD condition 5αR2D, in which a male has internal testes with a underdeveloped penis.
Like Caster Imane is from a developing country. Doctors in these nations don't catch on to these DSD conditions right away. Like Caster Imane is probably a XY DSD individual that is unaware of their condition. I'm thinking Swyer's Syndrome.
No. 2119823
>>2119789samefag
More research shows the Russian Fighter Imane beat is Azalia Amineva in the round of 16, which is suspect as fuck, for Reduxx to say it didn't happen.
And for the IBA ban. Amineva would have only had one loss and that is to Imane:
https://boxrec.com/en/box-am/1083362 No. 2119838
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>>2119826There are men who have boobs and no Adam’s apple. They’re still men.
No. 2119842
>>2119822Semenya has lost the majority of races she's taken place in the past few years. The whole "intersex women are really men and so they will always beat us real women" is so gay because half the time they don't win anyway and then you realize that it was just a moid distraction technique used to disguise the real issue of AGPs in sports by targeting a smaller less vocal minority group. Happens time and time again.
>>2119823But Imane's match history demonstrates that she often loses to her competitors. So if someone beat Imane, they could probably beat Amineva. If Imane is a man and only men can win against other men, then are all of Imane's competitors troons as well?
>>2119840Nooo stop using logic noooo
No. 2119845
>>2119823it is suspect that the moid spamming about how imane is tooootallyy like caster (see:
>>2119838) won't acknowledge that the main source behind all this tinfoiling is the baseless claims of an uncredited russian org that had their best fighter lose to imane. so much corruption that they quite literally stripped her of her title after the fact. i'm convinced the moid itt is russian, too.
No. 2119850
>>2119832They probably didn't have the cytogenetic testing results when he was younger, it's a relatively new and expensive technology and hard to access even in the UK where I am.
Not to try and diminish the issue but I have clinical genetics experience and sometimes it takes a very long time to officially confirm these rare types of DSD in the lab with their chromosomes and genetics.
No. 2119851
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/08/04/banned-governing-body-fuelling-boxing-outcry-has-troubled-history/In a nutshell:
>During the 2023 Women's boxing championships organized by IBA, Russia's darling boxer Azalia Amineva lost against Imane Khelif making it her first loss ever>Three days after the match Khelif was suddenly disqualified for "failing a gender test", nobody has ever specified what kind of a test this was>Khelif had competed for years in tournaments organized by IBA with no issues>The disqualification made Amineva's official record spotless again>IBA was caught fixing matches during the 2016 Rio Olympics and was ran by Gafur Rakhimov, a literal crime syndicate boss involved in organized crime and heroin trafficking>Over 30 nations left the IBA as a protest against the corruption and formed World Boxing to govern international boxing and to keep it as an Olympic sport>After IOC severed ties with the IBA in 2019, Rakhimov resigned and Putin's close associate Umar Kremlev was appointed in his place>Kremlev moved the majority of IBA's operation to Russia and has scrapped elections to prevent anyone from challenging his leadership >Kremlev first tried lick the asses of IOC by trying to bribe them with monetary support to worm his way back to the Olympics and when it didn't work, he went on a spree calling the Olympics every name in the book: "This week, he released a series of English-subtitled videos on social media packed with insults, saying the Olympics “burns from pure devilry” and calling Bach “evil” and urging him to “resign urgently.” Kremlev has ended some of them by saying he’s sending Bach diapers so he doesn’t soil himself, then punching the camera." [sic]>Now he very suspiciously paid the Italian girl who "lost" to Imane a large sum of money, making it very obvious she was paid to throw the fightSo congrats every transvestigator, you fell for Russian info war tactics.
No. 2119858
>>2119844>Being an intersex female is still injecting yourself with foreign masculinizing hormones designed to improve muscle mass.What are you even talking about??
>>2119845>I have clinical genetics experience.If you had a baby, would you be able to tell it's sex right away as soon as you birthed it? And if so, how would you feel if later on that child ended up having a rare intersex disorder that you weren't aware of? This isn't an attack against you I'm just trying to make sense of what this person
>>2119742said.
>>2119852Can the farmhands permaban this scrote already
(scrotefoiling) No. 2119860
>>2119767welp, reuters didn't imply the actual reason for imane's disqualification was the russian boxer defeat so idk where you got that greentext from but ok
the 3rd claim remains unsourced
i can get why russia would like to sabotage the olympics with troon-mongering but what still bothers me is that IOC slip-up with the DSD + the lack of information if imane took any legal action after the 2023 IBA championships (cause it's kinda outrageous if they're a woman)
at least now i see there's no point in making any conclusions yet so thanks
nonnie No. 2119866
>>2119862That's when I knew we lost the plot. When the actually anti-troon country of Algeria and the greater Islamic world all called bullshit on the IBA and confirmed tht she was a woman, that should have been the end of it.
>>2119864Hulk is imaginary. He's not real. Imane is real and the other women that all beat her are also real. They aren't like the Hulk. He's from comic books.
No. 2119867
>>2119851An obvious man who looks, sound and acts like a man getting away with punching women for years for sports is in no way proof that he's really a woman just because he eventually got caught.
I hope the olympics ends soon so the scrotes and handmaidens leave.
No. 2119874
>>2119868Yeah. That's what I figured. I'm not sure why we're all pretending that every human alive needs a gonad test to be confirmed as a man or a woman.
>>2119871>The world is nuancedYou're talking to people who haven't stepped into the world for months anon.
>>2119873Your metaphor was sloppy and stupid.
No. 2119898
>>2119875I understand that, but how is it any different than incel men saying all women are x? Why contribute to the atomization of western society where everyone doesnt care about anyone else because of their own rigid viewpoints of the world? We probably agree more than not but I just feel like social media is calcifying every interaction and discussion in our society into rigid structures to the point that it will eventually become brittle and break apart. I just can't participate in it to be honest. It's causing me to sperg anonymously as you can see
>>2119876It's not a neutral term in womens spaces at all. How can it be?
>he always lived as a boy and then a manHow can you know that? We literally don't know Imane's situation
nonny. Why can't we all just admit that we don't know anything for sure??
>>2119887I know it's not in good faith but I see this pattern everywhere. All over the news, all over society. Maybe it's always been there but it's suffocating. Even in places where we are supposed to be comfortable and think outside the norm we are forced to be ideological worker bees unknowingly building our little honeycombs of ideas in the hive without even realizing that we aren't being unique
No. 2119906
>>2119898>We literally don't know Imane's situation nonnyPictures of Imane from her childhood dressed as a typical girl her age have already been posted itt.
>>2119900Tell that to David Reimer.
No. 2119907
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>be an "ugly" woman
>not even truly ugly, like disfigured, just lacking the typical characteristics of an attractive woman ie small nose, small jaw
>be kinda dyke-adjacent on top of it, wear masculine clothing
>be a boxer
>lose and win your fair share of matches
>win against a russian boxer whom is on the payroll of an organisation that is run by a russian oligarch
>they throw a bitch fit and accuse you of being a man even after you passed several of THEIR gender confirming tests
>they strip you of your win and give it to their russian fighter even though their organisation has been discredited for corruption
>compete in the olympics
>the italian fighter you're up against that doesn't have a shred of muscle on her or boxing knowledge dips out after 46 seconds
>she is known to leave matches and cause controversy
>the whole world cries for her because she is a conventionally attractive white woman that fits the look of what people want a female boxer to look like
>the whole world debates about your genetics, chromosomes, and genitals
>calls you all sorts of nasty shit
>the next person you fight against in the olympics calls you a demonic monster
>you still win and it riles everyone up even more
>at this point even if you win gold, it'll still feel like losing
all because of russians and italians not being able to take a loss
No. 2119910
>>2119907You forgot
>be brownThat's a really big source of the ire.
No. 2119911
how did anons here devolve to the point they think a woman with female sex characteristics can be considered a man? i can see the argument for not competing in sports due to the genetic advantage but wanting her to identify as a man now makes no sense, how would that even look?
>>2119903these anons are going off of the idea that she has DSD, they just dont care and still consider that a man. we already have childhood photos and interviews from her father alongside the fact she was assigned female at birth in algeria where being trans is illegal.
No. 2119923
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>>2119907She doesn't even look that "mannish" to me. Here she's next to the female Thai boxer Janjaem Suwannapheng who she's going against next, they look to be on the same level to me.
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>>2119923Hmm it's almost like girls can have big jaws and be tall and have muscles… But that doesn't make sense? Only men are those things? Hmmmm this is confusing.
As a side note, pretty sure this retard is just going and picking any woman that has "masculine" features and just going ham but for some reason the Imane topic really just stuck. This was posted in the tinfoil thread a while ago.
>>2119933Here we go again!
No. 2119951
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>>2119937Well, here's a white female boxer for them to transvestigate.
No. 2119957
>>2119939OK with this reply you are just proving that you are targeting those women because of their race because you know damn well there are alot of white female atheletes with big manly jaws and masculine bodies.
>>2119951I don't know who this is, just goes to show that people (westerners) are being unfair and blindsided in this situation and taking out their trans hysteria on other countries where trans people don't even exist kek.
No. 2119960
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>>2119951Well I see biceps on this person, and also they have a square jaw. They also don't have curly blonde hair or lash extensions… Hmmm… 100% moid. According to this article, she's actually a man with a penis and balls and his REAL name is Vladimir and he fought other moids before transgendering into a "woman." Disgusting. I don't know how these sick and twisted scrotes live with themselves.
https://www.odditycentral.com/news/female-boxer-hid-her-gender-in-order-to-compete-against-men.html No. 2119972
>>2119967What? I am saying she would have appeared like a female child, the secondary sex characteristics don't present until puberty so she would have looked like a girl and be raised as such
I'm not talking about taking exogenous hormones wtf.
No. 2119978
>>2119970This past hour its just been trolls calling her a man/tranny and calling other anons names yet you reply to my summary telling me to shup up? Biased much.
>>2119970You want her to be a man so bad omg radfems/GC's are cooked.
No. 2119986
>>2119978 idc about her either way. go strike your hateboner for radfems somewhere else.
>>2119969ime it was more a question of baseline personality. the least annoying detrans tif i know are people who were pretty chill even as tifs. menawhile the attention whores stayed annoying regardless of slef identification.
No. 2119987
>>2119909huh that's interesting, i'm reading about it on reduxx right now
thanks for the reply
No. 2119994
>>2119985You have lost all sense of empathy due to being in the gc cult that now you are ready to throw other women under the bus for your agenda. Are you sure i am the handmaiden? You might want to take a look in the mirror.
Many signs point to Imane being a woman but you can keep on repeating "theyre a man/tranny" like a braindead parrot if that helps you feel better since that's all you and the other parrots in this thread have been doing.
No. 2119998
>>2119871AYRT, i agree with the other anon who replied to you that "man" fundamentally should be a neutral term, referring only to one's biological sex regardless of other factors. that is a core tenet of gender critical thought.
it's impossible to make blanket statements about DSDs because there are so many variations. in the case of 5-ARD individuals, who are male and go through normal male pubertal development, i look at them and see men. that is the least online take imaginable imo. it's just reality. to say that their upbringing makes them women would be akin to saying david reimer could have been considered a woman.
other DSDs might result in phenotypic females, though, and i would have no problem calling them women. i wouldn't call eden atwood a man, for example - not because she was "raised female" but because she did not go through male pubertal development and has a normal female phenotype.
i don't know what condition the boxer may or may not have, so no comment there.
No. 2120008
>>2120003Anon….what kind of
victim-blaming reply is this. You think biological or gnc women should pe punished because of troons?
Why does this remind me of domestic violence apologia so much.
No. 2120019
>>2119998Thanks for replying anon. You aren't going to like my reply because at this point after looking on Twitter, this site, and other places where people are talking about it I have realized that I just don't care anymore. I am having a bad day (as you can see from my meltdown
>>2119968 >>2119898
>>2119998) and this of course is going to get me banned from LC probably but I think I've realized that I just don't give a shit about what is a woman and what is a man. Honestly I dont care if a male lives as a woman and don't care how "OMG MUCH MISOGYNY". If the vibes are good and the person isn't hideous who cares. They can be a woman or man or whatever the fuck. It's been my secret opinion forever and I've been trying to convince myself to fit into the mold of being different than the mainstream for so long on places like this site. I'm not trying to convince anyone anymore and I think I should just leave the internet for a while. I'm tired of hearing about troons and the complaints and anger while womens reproductive rights get taken away in the US. I just don't care about the gender shit, it's not my problem and you know what? I want people to live how they want to live. If a troon wants to cut off her tits I don't care, do what makes you happy above 18. I'm so tired of this debate eating away into my brain and it's ruined radical feminism for me. I am done with the internet, the mods can do with my IP what they must. I don't even know why I came here other than the fact that a site for women is literally centering troons by nonnies making every little thing about them all the time
No. 2120033
>>2120028I'm
>>2120021 not a radfem and have never claimed to be more than just a regular feminist due to my views on my sex in general (abortion rights and free menstrual products and all that jazz). I haven't even transvestigated her. Maybe take a step back and realize radfems are not the epitome of truth and they, like all human beings, are vulnerable to retardation. You letting it affect your view on trannies in general is a sign of a weak and malleable mind anyway, so… bye kek.
No. 2120035
>>2120033It's more like what
>>2119357 said.
No. 2120038
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>>2119907She looks like an italian guy but apparently she's brown while Carini's "white". Really gets my nogging jogging.
No. 2120041
>>2120033Where did i say that its affecting my opinion on trannies or even changing it, do you people love to lie or something.
Saying radfems doing transvestigation on biological women is bad does not equal someone's opinions changing on trannies.
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I hate trannies
It's that shrimple
No. 2120086
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It's interesting that IOC felt the need to correct that. That's an indirect admission that this is a DSD issue.
I'm still waiting for more info before making up my mind, but I'm going to ignore the "she's a regular woman who's just a victim of Russia comspiracy" theories from now on.
No. 2120093
>>2120086Its not a admission its a subtitling and mistranslation issue. In the video he said its a transgender issue and the person of this account quoting him did not quote him correctly and then fixed it.
She is not a man. Transvetigate-chan
No. 2120095
Multiple anons have hinted at Swyer's, it's
not Swyer's, because that syndrome makes it impossible for the person to produce testosterone, puberty never occurs naturally. Give it a rest.
Imane might be CAIS, who knows, but she sure does look really masculinized for someone who should be totally insensitive to testosterone. Yes, females can also look masculinized and it's even expected for an athlete, but Imane looks like the average north african guy, not just a woman with linebacker shoulders.
Khelif tested for high T, on top of an allged XY result. Ironically, this is even more damning that XY. Because even if we completely ignore the XY claim, the high T level alone tells you that their condition falls in the 'unfair advantage' category,
if it's not an intentional intake of T.
There's this idea that DSD is a kind of disadvantage in itself, but many DSDs allow for a pretty normal male puberty (in terms of hormones and changes in morphology) since testes are present, and their ambiguous genitalia can even change to become more typical during that time.
One of the effects of male puberty is a drastic difference in strength, like you can't even picture it properly because it's much more drastic than other average sex differences like height. It doesn't matter that Khelif sells metal scraps, lost three fights, was raised as a woman or that you feel bad for her. All of that is okay and we can accept that people like Khelif are the rare males who might be called 'women'. But it has nothing to do with fairness in sports. Anyhow, here's a resource that clarifies DSDs:
https://www.theparadoxinstitute.com/read/sex-development-charts>>2120086Exactly. I really think that the IOC would be quick to provide proof of Imane's femaleness if it existed. But they don't, they're dancing around the issue
No. 2120115
>>2120093Unlike you I actually watched the video. He did say dsd at 1:13 here.
https://x.com/treesey/status/1819686733383946257?t=2mM4W0QVCAA8JPfuydGUVQ&s=19Also Transvestigate isn't a magic word to make your opinions better than everyone else's, kek
No. 2120120
Imane is a evil troon.
Here is the proof:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QzcvRDWgRIE No. 2120207
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Some male responses to the imane situation
No. 2120238
>>2120235Your try hard typing style remind me of those tradthot anachans who think they are radfems on twitter.
>like your faveWhy are you talking like a faggot? Did the celebricow thread fry your remainig braincells or were you dropped on your head.
No. 2120240
>>2120236I don’t believe that you think Imane Khelif looks like a phenotypically average female person. There’s a reason this controversy took off. She clearly looks male…it’s so beyond racist to claim this is just about her being
POC. She very obviously has some sort of intersex condition. Why else would she refuse to refute the IBA findings? You know why. It’s because she knows she wouldnt qualify. I can acknowledge that an intersex person can be technically male while presenting phenotypically female - y’all seem to be the only ones that struggle with this concept…
No. 2120245
>>2120239lol hilarious you think I’m a transbian when you seem to interpret any kind of modern slang as gay slang. Calling someone you like “your fave” or someone’s fave is not a gay thing. Ask the receptionist at your home, she’ll tell you all about it.
You’re literally just stupid. Anyway…pretending DSD do not exist does not actually make it so. Everyone around you know the truth
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>>2120240Exactly. Her arms are triple the size of other Olympic female boxers. It makes zero sense for her to look THAT different from everyone else. Its not like they're amateurs. For the anons saying she's been beaten before, where's the proof that those athletes aren't also like her? I don't think she's a man but intersex in a way that she shouldn't compete against normal women.
No. 2120248
>>2120240Lol you know nothing about intersex and the variations.
We are not the ones who are struggling with this topic.
Why don't you stick to things that you do know such as calling anons here ugly and telling us to kill ourselves or talking like you are a gay faggot.
No. 2120250
>>2120246>For the anons saying she's been beaten before, where's the proof that those athletes aren't also like her ?HOLY MOTHER OF TRANSEVSTIGATION.
Now you are going to accuse even more women of being trans too?
No. 2120256
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Apparently us brownies are just intersexed abominations by default!
No. 2120265
>>2120256Stop roleplaying as a brown person. I am so sick of you bitches always roleplaying as a black or a brown person so you can win whatever trans hysteric or racebait post you came up with.
People in Algeria literally support Imane and see her a woman. A couple of middle eastern countries have also wrote support letters for Imane and in general Algerians, Morrocans + middle easterners have been showing love and support to Imane.
The only ones losing their mind and claiming she looks like a man or must be a man are right-wing westerners who have lost their mind from trans hysterics and think just because their countries have a trans problem then that must mean that the whole world has it too and Imane is being unfairly punished for western trannies sins.
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Here's a screenshot of a briefing by the IBA during (or briefly after) the 2023 World Cup. It may be a shitty russian organization but two different, independent labs giving the same results is too much of a coincidence.
No. 2120288
>>2120285That anon is laughing at you, she is not agreeing with you.
You are the retard who thinks someone defending Imane means that they think all brown women look like her….which is such a weird statement to make because im defending Imane but i dont think i look like her nor do i think most do.
Im guessing your brain is running on some tradthot processor or something.
Ps:Your ugly as fuck.
No. 2120292
>>2120233you're a radfem yourself hahaha
>>2120265>The only ones losing their mind and claiming she looks like a man or must be a man are right-wing westernersnot the gendie black and white thinking of "if you disagree ur right-wing!!!1!1"
if you look at imane and see a woman ok cool but to me and to many others a male radar ticked off and all thanks to ruskies bringing attention to it
it may be an attempt of sabotage by russians just as it's likely we've got another caster semenya situation, whatever it is people deserve a clear proof, i don't understand why you're so upset about it
>>2120288she didn't even post her face, thanks for outing your dishonesty
No. 2120299
>>2120296yes i have, the face was cropped
i'm more and more convinced this thread is being raided so i'm off and swearing at mods for letting this shitfest run for so long
No. 2120310
>>2120308im a radfem too ahahaha
cya
No. 2120317
>Imane is a MAN>No, YOU are a MAN! >No, YOU are a MAN!>No, YOU are a MAN! And not only are you a man, you are a RUSSIAN man!!!!!Oh my fucking god do you retards even hear yourselves? Why is your first instinct always to accuse each other of being scrotes? Women can have vastly different opinions from each other, you know that, right? I just wrote a longer post but at this point I'm so over boxergate that I deleted it all, what a stupid infight.
>>2120309>>2120311My page didn't refresh yet and I can still see the picture. All you can see is the very edge of her face.
You look like you have cute squishable cheeks, anon No. 2120325
>>2120269People can look like anything. Mediterraneans tend to have big heads and big noses. Imane's voice isn't even deep. Her muscles look cut and dehydrated because she probably cut a ton of weight to be welterweight.
Have you ever heard of the concept of harm reduction? What is the net harm of Imane competing at these Olympics? She's a Mid East/N Africa hero now. Imane and her family are moderate secular Muslims. She's an example of some of the wildest hopes and dreams that people in that region have for their societies. She's an example of women's success, religious faith, secular society, nationalism, and individuality coexisting.
What's the net harm of JK Rowling chimping out about this? Well clearly there's a lot of net harm not just to Imane but to the rest of us too. Even if Rowling's right and it turns out that Imane is male, where does that leave us? Will people remember that gender critical figureheads were right all along? Or will they only remember that GCs were cruel to an extremely sympathetic figure and Mid East/N Africa cultural hero.
No. 2120348
>>2120325You know what? You’ve actually given me a lot to think about. I’m not entirely sure how to answer your questions and I’m genuinely gonna think on them some more. Clearly we don’t fully agree, but you’re well spoken and bring up some good questions.
All in all, I do hope Imane is okay mentally. Regardless of sex/gender/whatever, it can’t be easy having so many critical eyes on you.
Genuine question… do you think Imane is a fully cis woman with no hormonal or chromosomal abnormalities? Really? I just can’t square that way. She looks fully male to me…
No. 2120357
>>2120348>Really? I just can’t square that way. She looks fully male to me…Ntayrt but I'm gonna share an embarrassing personal story. Once I was talking to a client at work I assumed she was a TIF because she had a short haircut, dressed masculine, she was quite tall, she didn't have breasts, she just gave me that vibe. I was cordial to her, obviously, but in my head I was kind of going through the "ugh I have to talk to a troon" thought process. Come to find out from a co-worker that dealt with her more often than I: she was a breast cancer survivor. The guilt I felt after that was extraordinary. I felt sick with myself because of the assumption that I made and how I judged her in my mind over something I had imagined up myself. It was a realization moment for me about how judgemental I had become. After that experience, I really try not to guess if someone is a troon or not until they explicitly state it, because now whenever I think "oh this person must be a troon," I stop and think "but I don't know for sure until they say." It could just be a scrote that likes to wear his hair long and dressing feminine, or it could just be a woman that doesn't have breasts and keeps her hair short. Now, I only save my troon-judgement for people I know for a fact to be a troon.
No. 2120376
>>2119907It is genuinely so sad, especially after hearing her story of growing up. It’s really disgusting me with the radfem community that they continue to shit on her, and it’s like damn, when women do exactly what we say they should — don’t perform femininity, don’t care about your appearance, be strong and take charge of protecting yourself and other women — it’s like lol jk, you didn’t wear a dress in your interview so we are going to ruin your life! I can’t imagine the mental state she’s in.
>>2119923Right, cover up her jaw and nose and she looks like a really cute girl. She has pretty eyes and a nice brow line. She literally just has a rectangular head and big nose while doing the sin of being a tomboy instead of trying to feminize herself.
>>2120348NTA but It’s silly to me that some people need to have this thought process laid out to them. The second that I saw that Imane has a normal win/loss ratio I realized just how retarded this witch-hunt really is. Like at that point does it actually matter? No. But still people continue to dig their heels in to the benefit of no one.
No. 2120525
>>2119313Anon are you dumb? The sources are linked all over the article. Stop talking out of your ass because you're afraid to be wrong. It's really stupid that
>>2118783 is being ignored for the same reason, because anons are more likely to double down than reevaluate. It's childish.
No. 2120575
>>2120376>It’s really disgusting me with the radfem community that they continue to shit on herSame. It really is unhinged behaviour at this point. It all started from a rumour! That's it, that's all everyone has to go from, a rumour! No evidence, no tests, nothing tangible but what a shady guy at IBA said and a vaguely masculine looking woman. Even JK Rowling jumped on the bandwagon apparently, which is deeply disappointing. Ovarit are going rabid, piling on slender and insults. It's off the charts that level of harassment and obsession.
I thought she might be a man at first (going from the questionable report from Reddux) and then realised all the outlets serving that agenda used the most unflattering pics of her. Looking at other pictures, she doesn't look that masculine, her jaw isn't even particularly big. She has her dad's nose. She does not particularly look masculine. Yeah she's tall and muscular…like a lot of athletes are.
>>2120357Good point. I honestly regret telling my brother I thought Imane was a male. I don't know that for a fact. You'd think some nonas here are walking with a cheek swab and her dna test results in their pocket. It's honestly unhinged.
No. 2120619
>>2120325What honestly bums me the fuck out about this entire debacle is J.K. Rowling's part. I have always whiteknighted her and admired her outspokenness against the tranny ideology, but did side eye her when she was liking tweets saying psycho shit like "at least ISIS knows what a woman is" referring to honor killings but this just crossed the line. As a butch lesbian who gets called a man a lot it really became personal when she accused Imane not even of being intersex, but of being
a man. She's a hero to a lot of girls in the entire Middle east and North Africa region, she could be a key to improving female rights by showing that a GNC woman can be a celebrated figure they can be proud of. An extremely privileged rich white British woman calling her a man because her opponent threw the fight is so fucked, I'm completely disillusioned and disappointed beyond belief because trannies keep saying that gendercrits and radfems are filled with homophobic racists and it gets harder and harder to prove them otherwise.
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>>2120619Rowling in straight so she really will never get it right. I don't trust a single one straight woman who's gender critical because they will always be obsessed with moids and their concept of woman also comes from whatever moids tell them to be attractive. Rowling can't get over the fact her husband was
abusive so essentially her life still revolves around a moid. I think Imane is the true shit test for all gender criticals because personally I find her cute (no one looks their best in sports gear obviously).
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>>2120630Someone on reddit posted brock lesnar and his daughter side by side and I was like wow, the schizos would be calling her a man.
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love how this picture along with the caption "first male winner" is what is circulating around the news here in greece. i hate men and their ability to come to conclusions based on what their dicks prefer to look at??
No. 2120643
>>2120630Honestly both me and my girlfriend thought she looks really hot. Compared to actual male trannies in female sports she looks and sounds 100% like a woman, I was actually really shocked to see people accusing her of being a man because I've seen much, much more masculine-looking female gymrats. If her nose was smaller she would look like any regular woman.
>I don't trust a single one straight woman who's gender critical because they will always be obsessed with moids and their concept of woman also comes from whatever moids tell them to be attractive.You're right, though. A straight gendercrit, especially a homophobic one, will usually view the concept of a "woman" through men's eyes.
No. 2120667
>>2120660I felt extra bad reading she broke down in tears telling people "I'm a woman". None of that tranny shit exist in Algeria. It must be traumatic for her to be slandered in this way because she's kind of gnc.
>>2120643>Honestly both me and my girlfriend thought she looks really hotShe actually does, not that that would matter either way, but you see how some media used very unflattering pics of her to fit their unhinged narrative.
No. 2120681
>>2120660>>2120667Imane Khelif, ensnared in Olympic boxing controversy, had to hide soccer training
Kim Hjelmgaard
USA TODAY
PARIS − It was her ability to dodge punches from boys that led her to take up boxing.
That's what 24-year-old Algerian boxer Imane Khelif, ensnared in an Olympics controversy surrounding gender eligibility, said earlier this year in an interview with UNICEF. The United Nations' agency had just named Khelif one of its national ambassadors, advocates-at-large for the rights of children.
Khelif said that as a teenager she "excelled" at soccer, though boys in the rural village of Tiaret in western Algeria where she grew up teased and threatened her about it.
Soccer was not a sport for girls, they said.
To her father, a welder who worked away from home in the Sahara Desert, neither was boxing. She didn't tell him when she took the bus each week about six miles away to practice. She did tell her mother, who helped her raise money for the bus fare by selling recycled metal scraps and couscous, the traditional North African dish.
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At the time, Khelif was 16.
Three years later, she placed 17th at the 2018 world championships in India. Then she represented Algeria at the 2019 world championships in Russia, where she placed 33rd.
>https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2024/08/02/imane-khelif-olympic-boxer/74645785007/ No. 2120704
>>2120683Absolutely. Also pretty strange all these reactions about Imane, talking about safeguarding women when Imane hasn't disproportionately hurt anyone so far.
The issue of males in women's sports deserved better. Watch people use that against the credibility of anyone who ever fought (rightly so) to expel trannies out of XX sports.
>>2120702Yeah, I'd love to see as much energy directed at excluding the literal pedophile here.
No. 2120709
>>2120690>JK Rowling>low IQ>ageKEK
Anyway, JKR is the queen. Can't wait for this thread to turn normal.
No. 2120719
>>2120711it's cuz he's literally male who has been tested 2ish years ago and
was banned, the french olmypics organization unbanned him for no real reason.
No. 2120725
>>2120701It's not even Caster Semenya level where she would be intersex with 5-ARD, it's just a tall biological woman with slightly elevated testosterone levels and everyone decided she's a biological male because a.) a rumor from a corrupt Russian association said so b.) she doesn't fit the archetype of a pretty, feminine woman.
>>2120702Everyone out there admiring Michael Phelps for having a condition that makes his physiology closer to a dolphin than a human and his body generate less lactic acid and Usain Bolt for having long legs that make his stride much longer than average but when a woman has a strong jaw fitting for boxing and a bit more testosterone than average she's a freak of nature who should be banned.
No. 2120729
>>2120702We can be upset at two things at the same time, it's not an OR situation. Read the title of this thread visitor. Why isn't that discussed here? maybe because it has nothing to do with the topic.
>>2120701I trust my eyes and there hasn't been any tests that state XX nor has the OIC stated it wasn't XY DSD - at this point we don't even know what OIC considers as a woman.
For people shaming people for asking questions, this situation has happened because IOC has been so unclear about their testing and regulations with a combination of other factors. I hope there is enough pressure that there are clear answers because at this point anyone can just say anything and people shouldn't question because it's offensive. The erosion of rights is offensive, that particular XY DSD condition does have male puberty and should not be competing in a contact sport. The be kind approach is retarded.
No. 2120738
>>2120718I read that the organizations won't release the test results to respect her privacy, allegedly.
Regardless this controversy is excellent distraction for internet politics away from the escalation around Israel, deterioration of circumstances in Ukraine, etc.
No. 2120749
>>2120748you're the only one who uses it so clumsily
you have no self awareness
No. 2120750
>>2120749I'm not that poster kek.
>>2120742Correct, the newfaggotry is off the charts too. And the other day someone spammed CP while this thread was active. Hmmm.
No. 2120778
>>2120774?
i'm not even american
this discussion is attracting a lot of stupid people
No. 2120824
>>2120822there is no "putin spiked the test". it's some retarded eastern yuropoor that can't articulate herself, see
>>2120806. you see it's everybody else that's too autistic to understand her high IQ drivel and not her being a dumb ESL unable to explain why she can't stop caping for some corrupt russian organization.
No. 2120844
>>2120273I haven't caught up with all this, but I changed my mind somewhat after reading this. (Previously, I did think it might have been a combination of doping and Russians being secretive.) It looks like they let things slide in 2022 since the event was over (and possibly for other reasons: political situation, sanctions, pandemic). Maybe it wasn't worth retesting and causing a stir over possible false positives. When the results came back in 2023 from two different countries' testing facilities, then they took action.
I'm in general cautious about trusting this organization but at the same time, it reads like the test isn't being specified in order to protect the two individuals and their safety & privacy. It is vague for a reason, and I find it strange that there's this open outcry because they didn't reveal the exact test used. Outing someone as having a specific medical condition is serious. It may or may not be legal, depending on what law applies; that's why this language about eligibility is used. It's not the same as saying someone failed a doping test. Furthermore, the organization doesn't want to be responsible for any violence towards these athletes or suicides. It's happened before.
idk have I been successfully brainwashed, or do others read the report similarly?
No. 2120851
>>2120840it has been provided by the IBA but you discard it with your conspiracy theories. leftist organisations could run test to prove it but you know they won't because they're ideologically opposed to restricting intersex and transwomen from competing.
same argument as people who don't like the news articles about trannies committing crimes: "uhh, excuse me, that's a right wing fake news source. got any actual news sources?" knowing full well leftist sources won't report on it.
Of course, reading court documents prove that the "right wing fake news source" was right, and then they shift the goal posts ("they only reported it because they're bigoted/they used inflammatory language/reporting it harms a vulnerable minority")
always an excuse. never a principle
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>>2120846well I agree with that. The IOC is in a bind since they refuse to take responsibility for a unifying policy. That's why we're getting the BS about passports, as if those matter.
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>>2120845It was actually Taliban, not ISIS, but the gist is still the same.
No. 2120872
>>2120836Nta but what makes you guys think butch women can't have feminine aspects about themselves. Masculine women are still women.
>girliest posting stylesYou didn't feel crazy typing this?
No. 2120876
>>2120325Yeah i wonder what's the net harm of letting a suspected male in
combat sports, when we know males have around 160% more punch power. What could go wrong really! This isn't just about Imane by the way, that other Taiwanese intersex male and every other intersex in combat sports is a liability. Imane might not be very dangerous themselves, but if we just let males on the basis that doctors wrongly assigned them and that they're not that strong, we're opening the door to potential severe injuries. See what happens when males compete in sports like american football or UFC.
>N African heroThe only people i see caping hard for them are Algerians, which makes sense. But you're inflating Imane's importance.
>>2120575> No evidence, no tests, nothing tangible but what a shady guy at IBA said and a vaguely masculine looking woman.Stop lying. Why can't you make your point without lying? There were two tests conduced by two different independent labs. The IBA itself did not conduct these tests, they commissioned the labs. Whether they are corrupt or not doesn't change the lab's ethos because they are a separate entity with its own reputation.
>>2120838>a lot of pro tranny nerds in this threadImane's case plays on sensitive libfem chords (sad story, non-white, easy to victimize yourself if you identify with Imane) and that's enough to make them ignore the fact that they're male and most likely aware of it by now, but
still competing against women. It's a great opportunity to trade sob stories about being hated for being GNC or bullied by white women, with zero consideration for the actual subject (no intersex in combat sports)
No. 2120880
>>2120874Did anyone claim otherwise? It's still an extraordinarily tasteless "joke" and her liking it says enough.
>>2120876Won't some of you please answer why she passed gender tests in IBA's competition for years before failing for the first time when she won against the Russia's pet boxer whose record had to stay spotless? Did she transition from XX to XY in the meantime?
No. 2120881
>>2120859Apart from calling out troons, I don't think Rowling is this based, radfem champion of women's rights that some newfags make her out to be. She also has a history of supporting scrotes like Depp and Marilyn Manson.
Really makes you think.
No. 2120884
>>2120876That's a lot of words to sperge about the same talking points
again.
> No evidence, no tests, nothing tangible but what a shady guy at IBA said and a vaguely masculine looking woman.>Stop lying. Why can't you make your point without lying? There were two tests conduced by two different independent labs. The IBA itself did not conduct these tests, they commissioned the labs. Whether they are corrupt or not doesn't change the lab's ethos because they are a separate entity with its own reputation.No I'm not lying. What I meant was no one has seen these tests, and even the nature of these tests are unknown. OK let's dig a bit: can you tell me what these tests were? The exact results? What labs were used? Do you have anymore details? No. So I was correct, there is absolutely nothing tangible so far on any of this either way, yet you all keep sperging about the case.
No. 2120904
>>2120838They will screech about muh corrupt untrustworthy Russia because they’re retarded Ameriboos who think the West has a monopoly on truth.
>>2120876This whole situation has been a case study in female socialization. The overempathizating, the doormat behavior, the pity farming. Bleak.
No. 2120911
>>2120888Omg Rowling bad because Harry Potter
This entire thread is like a bingo card for twitter TRA talking points.
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this is getting so out of hand. i can't help but not sympathize with the fighters that are accusing these two women of being men simply for losing. the IOC has now doubled down and called any previous claims from the russians as downright lies due to the nature of the tests being 'illegitimate' (PR talk for the tests being nonexistent?)
No. 2120935
>>2120929no, my point was that for people who think they will get treated like men, they are not very manly at all. the entire reason i mentioned imane was because they get apset that imane is being called manly, because they think that will happen to them too while bwing girliest girls you have met. retard.
>>2120932another retard