>>338519Oh no I'm sorry, I didn't mean to come off like I was arguing with you, I was sperging about the irony of shiny new feminisisism DW. Yeah I have major issues with Moffat, although the small window of Eleven's run with Amy, Rory, and River tended towards the most thematically successful version of DW that I liked. Honestly I'm not even sure if I could be called a DW fan anymore because I only really liked Nine through Eleven, and dropped off with Twelve though circled back to him later, and could barely watch the smouldering corpse of Thirteen's run.
>I just want Doctor Who to be fun again!Yeah and this is why I'm of two minds about it. One is that DW adapts to change the best, the other that it really should be silly fun, and if any show can get away with Ten coming back it is DW, but on the other hand, the idea of the Doctor changing means the show should always be fresh. I'm very torn over it lol.
Regarding Rose, I didn't love her but I did like her with Nine when I was a kid, and so there are definitely childish impressions which contribute to it; I liked her least of all with Ten, partly because of the romance which was really insufferable (Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, Doctor - it's a lot of telling and a lot of worshipfulness I don't find interesting) and because, well, everything is about Rose, who is Extremely Special and Important and four seasons of the show are dedicated to it (Nine and Ten's entire tenures). I've always had an aversion to characters like that and I enjoy rooting for the underdog, so I guess that's why I liked Martha and Donna, and later didn't like Clara. Clara had the Rose Problem. (Donna had the 'most special woman in the universe' thing going on, which seems to be a RTD problem, or maybe a DW problem in general, because they can't explain why some nobody is travelling with a Time Lord, or at least they try to overexplain it). Also I found Billy Piper's acting and speech annoying, which is petty and beside the narrative point. I also think I have something broken inside me because the scene in Doomsday where they have their hands against the wall across universes makes me laugh at the melodrama.
I was a big Whovian back in the day so I get complicated feelings about the show, but I'm not exactly a bookkeeper sperg about it, so if people are enjoying DW again that does make me happy. I
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