/2X/ - (XX)

people on the drawing room have started drawing /2X/ as a woman so I guess we are ok now

>>4634
Hell yeah. I'm not against himbo /2X/ but I do think this is more fitting. She looks great

>>4190
>>4634
P-purty…

>>4634
>>4648
>>4666
I'm the one who drew longhaired female 2X - glad you like her! There is a cool shorthaired version too, drawn a couple of times here.

>>4667

seeing this made my morning

>>4547
>>4549
same. i die inside everytime i see a woman in drag makeup and that dumb wavy dead from spray hair.

>>4547
Drag is so unapelling it literally doesn't look good on anyone. I can't believe is one of the biggest aesthetics for zoomers.

>>4535
I believe men that cultivate androphilic feelings are more dangerous than their straight counterparts, cause women are much more irrelevant to their lives, and men are much more put on a pedestal

>>4554
more dangerous how? like violent?

>>4554
Can't be anymore dangerous than handmaidens with the eagerness to throw predators into womens spaces tbh

I truly believe that most people misunderstand Judith Butler and that nobody is actually listening to her.
>First of all the intended audience of her books are other pretentious philosophers who are far removed from reality and like to do constant thought experiments,
>second of all I think the key to reading her books is getting really high,
>thirdly you have to understand that she never meant to be the paragon of trannies but of intersex people.
Her theory of performativity is not much different from that of radfems. Her work explicitly states that gender identity is bullshit, but that identity is performatively constituted by the very expressions that are said to be its results. She never agreed with the TRA practice of "I identify as" or "my pronouns are xyz", she instead says that identity is assigned by others based on how you are viewed. Even when she says "sex isn't real" or some shit like that, you actually have to read the entire chapter and then you get that she's doing some thought experiment high af. Her idea is that there could be a parallel universe or planet where hypothetically people weren't mainly categorized between males and females, but between talls and shorts and that there's a talliarchy and that hypothetically in that universe patriarchy wouldn't exist. She doesn't mean that it's not a thing in our world. She considers sex to be part of gender, because the moment you sex someone, the male or female socialization starts even when parents try to do gender neutral parenting (this can be corroborated by Cordelia Fine's book Delusions of Gender). For intersex people this can also mean that doctors will perform medically unnecessary surgeries on babies, to have them fit in with their gender (like literally shortening clitorises, which is basically condoned fgm in the western world). That's why she considers sexing a baby or assigning gender to be violent, because most of her activism has been for intersex people and in their case it can be literally violent. TRA's "read" her books which were never meant for them at all and then ran with it, misconstrued it, misrepresented it. Which has caused people who never even read any of her shit to automatically hate her, due to how TRA's misrepresent it. She does interviews still nowadays where she says she thinks the pronoun stuff is bullshit and she doesn't understand why people make suPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>5300
The second verboten author I want to highlight is Jack/Judith Halberstam. She's often listed under queer theory or philosophy, which causes her to be immediately dismissed by everyone gender critical, even though she's more lesbian and butch friendly than any polilez author. Two of her books and why they matter
>Female masculinity, Through detailed textual readings as well as empirical research, Halberstam uncovers a hidden history of female masculinities while arguing for a more nuanced understanding of gender categories that would incorporate rather than pathologize them. She rereads Anne Lister’s diaries and Radclyffe Hall’s The Well of Loneliness as foundational assertions of female masculine identity. She considers the enigma of the stone butch and the politics surrounding butch/femme roles within lesbian communities. She also explores issues of transsexuality among “transgender dykes”—lesbians who pass as men—and female-to-male transsexuals who may find the label of “lesbian” a temporary refuge. Halberstam also tackles such topics as women and boxing, butches in Hollywood and independent cinema, and the phenomenon of male impersonators.
This book from the 90's was meant as a way to vindicate female masculinity and allow people to see it as something beautiful, not an insult. Also as a way to build bridges between butches and TiF's, she predicted what is happening now already back then. She actually took the time to fairly represent the radfem viewpoint too, but you wouldn't know that if you immediately canned her based on how she's categorized. She tries to get butches and TiFs to see that we don't have to be in competition, there's enough female masculinity to go around and we don't have to fight. TiFs don't have to be on the side of AGPs and butches don't have to align with polilez, we can form our own female masculinity coalition. Her relative silence on TiMs is deafening and do you really think TRA's will like a book which has the word "female" in it and is exclusive of TiMs?
>In a Queer Time and Place, examines the significance of the transgender body in a provocative collection of essays on queer time and space. She presents a series of case studies focused on the meanings of masculinity in its dominant and alternative forms’ especially female and trans-masculinities as they exist within subculPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>5301
Third author is more unknown but should be more controversial than the other two, Paul Beatriz Preciado. I was recommended this author by a TiF on Lex and while I was skeptical at first, I was pleasantly surprised. The reading of the book Testo Junkie is like an experience which I can only compare to taking shrooms and watching some surrealist films. It starts with some gross degenerate shit, which acts as a way to scare off those who aren't supposed to read further. I enjoy her theory of the pharamcopornographic regime, how gender nowadays relies on pharmaceutical technology and how nobody is natural anymore and how everything is being used to control us. She also compares and theorizes about whether you could get addicted to HRT as if it were hard drugs (her conclusion is no, but that it's nearly a religious practice). At the same time she examines how birth control pills are a societally accepted form of HRT and how they have been used to control women, how experiments were done on marginalized colonial communities and how women have been conditioned into taking a pill every day at the exact same time. How it has turned women's brains further into a prison, a panopticon and oddly enough the first bc pill containers were shaped like a panopticon (like how Atwood says you are your own voyeur). So it's not that just the school is a prison, the workplace is a prison, but even at home you're not safe. How the stopweek was invented, because the idea of a woman not having a period was seen as not feminine. Or how testosterone supplementation for post-menopausal women has been restricted, because of the attitude that it's a male hormone, even though women need it too for energy and sexual arousal. That researchers don't even consider it an option because some women in studies had a slight androgenized effect, that a single body hair here and there popped up at such a low dosage, even though it helped with depression, energy and libido. Meanwhile doctors don't hesitate to prescribe viagra to men and insurance companies have no problem covering it. Or how doctors constantly downplay and hide the potentially disastrous side effects of longterm bc pill use and even prescribe it to teenage girls without much thinking, for even things like acne, even though it can affect bone density.

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>>5302
The fourth author you all know and meme about, but nobody seems to read past "the male is a failed abortion" and completely ignores her call to action and other interesting points. First of all, SCUM manifesto is both satirical and serious, which makes it a masterpiece. It takes what Freud wrote and reverses the roles, but she writes much better. She also references Thomas Paine's rights of man and George Orwell. I want to highlight the parts which are often overlooked, because many women reading it want to keep the neoliberal economic system and don't understand how it's just an extension of patriarchy.
>There is no human reason for money or for anyone to work more than two or three hours a week at the very most. All non-creative jobs (practically all jobs now being done) could have been automated long ago, and in a moneyless society everyone can have as much of the best of everything as she wants. But there are non-human, male reasons for wanting to maintain the money system:
>1. Pussy. Despising his highly inadequate self, overcome with intense anxiety and a deep, profound loneliness when by his empty self, desperate to attach himself to any female in dim hopes of completing himself, in the mystical belief that by touching gold he'll turn to gold, the male craves the continuous companionship of women. The company of the lowest female is preferable to his own or that of other men, who serve only to remind him of his repulsiveness. But females, unless very young or very sick, must be coerced or bribed into male company.
>2. Supply the non-relating male with the delusion of usefulness, and enable him to try to justify his existence by digging holes and then filling them up. Leisure time horrifies the male, who will have nothing to do but contemplate his grotesque self. Unable to relate or to love, the male must work. Females crave absorbing, emotionally satisfying, meaningful activity […] What will liberate women, therefore, from male control is the total elimination of the money-work system, not the attainment of economic equality with men within it.
I think reading "bullshit jobs" by David Graeber is a good idea to elaborate on how many jobs there are which are the equivalent of digging holes just to fill them up, but Solanas said it first!
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>>5303
The fifth author is Emma Goldman. She is like a secret of the first wave and more based than most second wave feminists. She already said that the vote wouldn't be enough or wouldn't help at all, but the suffragettes wouldn't listen to her. The most dangerous woman in America wrote this in 1911:
>WE BOAST of the age of advancement, of science, and progress. Is it not strange, then, that we still believe in fetich worship? True, our fetiches have different form and substance, yet in their power over the human mind they are still as disastrous as were those of old. Our modern fetich is universal suffrage. Those who have not yet achieved that goal fight bloody revolutions to obtain it, and those who have enjoyed its reign bring heavy sacrifice to the altar of this omnipotent diety. Woe to the heretic who dare question that divinity!
>Nietzsche’s memorable maxim, “When you go to woman, take the whip along,” is considered very brutal, yet Nietzsche expressed in one sentence the attitude of woman towards her gods. Religion, especially the Christian religion, has condemned woman to the life of an inferior, a slave. It has thwarted her nature and fettered her soul, yet the Christian religion has no greater supporter, none more devout, than woman. Indeed, it is safe to say that religion would have long ceased to be a factor in the lives of the people, if it were not for the support it receives from woman. The most ardent churchworkers, the most tireless missionaries the world over, are women, always sacrificing on the altar of the gods that have chained her spirit and enslaved her body.
>Then there is the home. What a terrible fetich it is! How it saps the very life-energy of woman, – this modern prison with golden bars. Its shining aspect blinds woman to the price she would have to pay as wife, mother, and housekeeper. Yet woman clings tenaciously to the home, to the power that holds her in bondage.
>It may be said that because woman recognizes the awful toll she is made to pay to the Church, State, and the home, she wants suffrage to set herself free. That may be true of the few; the majority of suffragists repudiate utterly such blasphemy. On the contrary, they insist always that it is woman suffrage which will make her a better Christian and home kPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>4393
Wanted to add, I ended up watching a bunch of this man's videos. He is extremely insightful and gave me a lot to think about in my own life. It's nice to know there are decently healed, kind men like this out in the world. It's sad though that so many of the more empathetic ones have arrived at this place because they themselves have been victimized as well.

>>4394
I wanna say that's not true but its hard to argue against with my own experiences, my own Nigel was physically abused by his own father and witnessed his mother being beaten and treated like crap, thankfully he grew up strong enough to kick his father's ass and threw him out of his own home but the trauma is still part of him
I know for a fact that no matter the situation he'd never hit or even yell at a woman, he knows what its like to be beaten and abused by someone stronger then them, so he has a desire to never let that happen to others

>>4395
It's strange how people end up handling things so differently. One ex had an abusive father but ended up emulating him as a means of attempting to be untouchable so no one could victimize him again, and in doing so he victimized others. He remained that scared young boy even as an adult. Yet I can think of several male public figures and also people I know personally who are kind and respectful towards women, and I would say 90% of them also came from backgrounds where they were abused especially by men in their lives, and like your partner decided they wanted to be better. I think most of them were fortunate enough to have found other positive role models while my ex did not. (I'm not excusing his actions, just ruminating on why certain people heal and others don't.) I wish the cycle of trauma did not perpetuate itself so easily as it tends to mostly produce more problems, but in some cases it creates people who rise above it. I'm glad you found a man who is kind and respectful, as so many more should be.

>>4396
good male models is a huge factor, my husband didn't want anything to do with his own father, his male role models were action heroes and martial artists in the shows and films he watched, he started working out cause of these idols and when he was strong enough he didn't have to take his father's shit anymore and he could protect his mother, you could call it childish but without those idols he wouldn't have the drive to become strong enough

Men who buy their partners a gifts that are clearly for himself are not stupid or naive, they needed an excuse for buying X and getting upset when you didn't buy it for them. The "just be grateful" mentality is harmful and keeps standards low.
Men who think you're naive will treat you nice, not because they are but because they think they have a chance to bang.

Peter have you ever noticed that 96% of violent crimes are committed by men, funny huh, as If males are pre-disposed to violence and subjugation, not you pete, you and your uncle ben were one of the good one's, when the demise of the patriarchy happens you'll be kept alive and kept as an essential service males for womankind

>>4336
The reason they built the whole glass cage for him, was cause the prison was "deeply concerned" that he might kill other prisoners, he probably could have been let into a more free form of solitary confinement if he had lied, see throughout his 40 years in confinement he's claimed that he has never regretted killing those men, which apparently makes him a threat to other inmates

Why did we have to discuss men in here. This could have been on any other board

Lundy Bancroft

>>4327
>perhaps cringe
Yeah

>>4327
Your precious dad most likely watches teen porn, glares even at a ten year olds budding breasts and would stomp your mothers skull flat for the chance of cooming into a supermodels snatch.

>>3821
My dad gave me pepper spray recently, is there anything I need to know? Beyond "point it away from your own face"

>>4124

BJJ is a fantastic choice. Go for it! I share your sentiments about some MA feeling like a meme. But grappling is a lot more practical to know than striking in a real situation so I think it’s great for self defense. Plus you can combine grappling skills with the insanity strategy! please do go try out BJJ if you’re on the fence. Get strong and learn how to efficiently choke men. It’s a fun sport and people are chill in it in my experience.

>>4171
Is it gel or air?

>>4181
I would also add that if she has time for it, martial arts with striking aren't entirely useless. Men will almost always have more raw physical strength, but regularly sparring so you aren't scared of taking a hit really does wonders. I've known too many women who have literally gasped in shock and said "oh I could never do that" when they hear I spar and get hit/bruised/knocked around on a regular basis (not to the point of lasting injury, but still). Not trying to humblebrag, of course there are psychos that will come after you no matter what, but interviews and studies on rapists have shown they look for easy targets. You don't want to be the woman who turns into a meek sobbing mess after one smack. They typically go after those who seem like they won't put up a fight, and knowing you can get loud, take a punch and keep standing will give you more confidence. I personally recommend muay thai. Elbows and knees give you four extra weapons and they're hard and bony, so even with moderate use of force they tend to cause good amounts of pain.

>>4171
My dad did too, but I wanted a gun. Picrel is what I want.

>>3933
What name of the book?

>>4249
Do you know anyone who has explored this question?

>>4249
the pro-sexwork movement is the definition of femcap.

>>4250
Liberating Life woman's revolution, I know a scrote wrote it but it actually addresses the issues and disconnects of western and non-western women, urban and rural women in middle eastern countries, as well as cooperation between women from different ethnicities
Its something western radfems simply have no accesses too or might not even think about, the perspective of someone who grew up in a tribal society and witnessed differences and similarities between tribal and urban patriarchies

he also views that Western feminists can't truly liberate non-western women, because they can't relate to a militant guerilla women's movement(and when he says militant, he means actual guerilla warfare, not egging a Victoria's secret) and can't break the limitations of democracy set by the west.
this isn't him bashing western feminism btw, he acknowledges that western feminism has been the most serious movement to have addressed the issue of women's freedom. rather what is needed, is a different method for tribal societies: what the Kurdish call Jineologi. It must have analytical, ethical, aesthetic and economic aspects to it. he argues for the creation of alternative academic feminist units which prioritize economy, technology, ecology, agriculture, democratic politics, statists factors
I ended up agreeing with him on that end(not everything in the book) but yeah imo he's right, western feminists really do ignore the complexities of just existence in any society and instead focus on dumb made up takes by gender studies professors

>>4249
Liberal feminism could be considered "femcap". After all, liberalism is a type of capitalism.

>>3974
man this is so fucking sad, RIP

>>3974
And people keep telling me that Saudi is one of the progressive and "women friendly" countries when I see picrelated? Also heard they gave women the rights to drive a car only two years ago. I am terrified.

>>3974
omg she's so beautiful, I hate the middle east sm. does anyone have any solid updates on the situation in afghanistan since the taliban takeover?

>>4156
They gave women the right to drive then started arresting them as soon as they try. Saudi Arabia want that western $$$ so they'll larp at being "the middle east but PROGRESSIVE" but they aren't in the slightest. The country regularly uses slave labor to build Dubai etc, women are considered bottom of the barrel. Women like Huda are allowed to get away with more because they are in the western public eye.

>>4273
Might not be what you're looking for anon but here. Very depressing but interesting watch. The man claiming that there is no violence against women had me speechless.

What extent of discussion on race is allowed? I would be really interested to explore misogyny throughout various cultures and how it differs per race. This is just my opinion, but coming from my own experience, I personally believe non-white men are more violent and depraved than white men. I believe white men are capable of being extremely awful, but it seems as though the worst crimes (gruesome rape and murder, rituals, sacrifices, violent cultural practices) are simply _more common_ among non-white men. I am sorry for sounding racist, this is simply something I find interesting and would like to explore in more detail. The opinions of others would be valuable in exploring this. I just am not sure if it is allowed or appropriate due to its focus on race. I am in no way trying to wk white men or be their handmaiden.

>>3913
Yeah, no. I think this will devolve in race-sperging pretty easily, just this post is already racebait.

>>3913
My view isn't that white western men are better, rather other cultures are far worse
patriarchal oppression does exist in the west but to say that Sweden is on par with Sindh, where young hindu girls get raped by Muslim men as a form of righteous Jihad and acid attacks are an almost weekly occurrence, its just bullshit and its testy cause a lot of radfems get offended by that fact, that other cultures are a lot worse
they always reply "all men are shit and we all suffer under patriarchy, so stop complaining" and then bring isolated cases and not a civilization problem that most women under third world suffer

I'd say women in the middle ages had more rights and freedoms then the vast majority of the third world today

>>3913
It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with not living under theocracies and people being comparatively less superstitious

Can someone make a pickme thread