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>>19752
>>19753

Double post, but you mention she's "male-identified." One way to neatly bring up that male violence is an issue that predates culture is pointing out how common male violence is not just across the world, but across primates. Evolutionary biologists Richard Wrangham and some other dude wrote "Demonic Males" about how male Great apes are violent not only against other male apes, but against female apes too. Richard Wrangham seems to be against violence against women but he's not a feminist. There's also "The Bonobo Sisterhood," about the importance of female solidarity in the face of male violence.

You should think of a particular issue you want to talk to her about. "Gender identity isn't real and is making it harder for us to talk about sex" is going to be a hard sell for most people because we've had years, of propaganda telling us that trans people are the gender they say they are and that it is equivalent to a hate crime to bring up their sex in any meaningful way outside of their transition needs. Women are especially likely to relate to people they're told are vulnerable victims of male violence, and the "trans women are the most vulnerable population on the planet" meme has been extremely effective in convincing women that they need to go mama bear on anyone who MTFs feel bad.

The pillars of the critique of institutionalizing "self-reported gender identity" are as follows. You should focus on getting her to internalize these pillars before moving to a more direct criticism:

1. It is not just culture that affects sexed beings, but our bodies. There is an unequal burden of reproduction such that one half of the population can walk away and another is tied down for at least several years. Recommended reading: "Ejaculate Responsibly." Short, no-nonsense book on why treating women as responsible for reproduction is unfair and impractical. For other aspects on how female embodiment affects women, try "Period. End of Sentence.: A New Chapter in the Fight for Menstrual Justice", another short book on how period shame causes millions of girls to miss out on education, work, and power. Finally, there is the difference in physical strength between men and women. I can't think of any books that addrePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Apologies for asking to be spoonfed here, but does anyone have proof academia in general is pushing for trannies/sexual revolution in general or have done so in the past in the West? I'm merely asking for an argument I'm having, thanks. I have a friend who tried telling me it wasn't academics at fault for spreading it, but I highly digress.

I'm unsure if this is the right thread to put this, but does anyone know where I can find the documentary Not a Love Story: A Film about Pornography? I have been searching for it for free with no luck. I'm okay with buying it but I figured maybe one of you ladies would know where to find it. Is there some sort of website with feminist documentaries I can use? Thank you in advance!

The Radical Feminist Library (g drive)

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/18h4u7pCQlqHOjEXNKSkrxODDmN-w76wi?usp=share_link

It's not me who compiled this treasure chest, I just came across it some time ago. All the books you mentioned in this thread and more are available here as pdfs.

>>19753
>Firestone's major work was 'The Dialectic of Sex', which tries applying socialist theory to women's issues. I'd tell her to ignore the Freudianism in it (it's from the 60s after all). Firestone is an engaging writer and she brings up issues of hetero-coupling quite accurately for a non-separatist het woman.

The thing is shulamith firestone is transhumanist, and I have a hard time understanding how radical feminists can embrace transhumanism without also accepting transgenderism.

>>22392
Cheaters deserve a violent and prolonged death. They are subhuman and should be dealt with accordingly. I will never stand for a cheater, regardless of their sex.(alogging)

>>22361
Nice thread. I had to vote representatives for my uni's student council and I only chose female candidates. I want to read more literature by female authors. I only buy second hand books but if I come across a recent author I like I wouldn't mind buying her book brand new, most second hand sellers in my country are men but the most important book shop in my city is run by women. I buy my tea in an independent teashop run by a woman as well. My family is quite big but I try to bond with my aunts and female cousins, male relatives are pieces of shit anyway. I'm straight but after I ended up my first relatioship 1 year ago I'm happy to remain celibate and I don't see that changing in the future.

>>22361
I do most of the things above, consume media made by women. Vote for women (men always show favorism for other men, good or bad) etc,
At my job when a guy interrupts me or tries to argue I keep talking until he stops making noise. Because when I’m in the right, my colleagues or boss agree with me, the way I handle the situation. (I do the same with rude women, but men complain the most and are entitled.)

I’m giving men no-to barely any opportunity to mess with me or other women, because I can play the same game as them too.
And I’ve also thought about helping at women’s shelters.

>always give the woman the benefit of the doubt
>never give the man the benefit of the doubt
It took me a lot of time to see I was doing the exact opposite because of my own internalized misogyny. I tried to act "neutral" about this soon to realise not giving the benefit of doubt to men saved me from unpleasant situations with strangers. I could also give better advice to other women about men. Also, being more empathetic towards women helped me being kinder to myself and notice mistakes most women commit in extremely similar patterns when they're too young, mistakes of trusting other men of course.

not a book but her blog https://trustyourperceptions.wordpress.com/ is worth reading

>>24777
>>21447
According to Robin Morgan, Solanes stopped identifying as a feminist as well cause feminists "refused to give her credit", In reality most second wavers were her offering her book deals or some position in women's rights group, but she wanted ridiculous salaries and authority and they clearly couldn't give that and so she blamed them, after a while she identified as a "punk biker" and voluntarily returned to prostitution

>>24801
This is not true. You can look up several statements by second wavers who say they found her distasteful, scary, and very hard to get along with. Also to imply that a schizophrenic woman in the 70s is in any position at all to "voluntarily" go into prostitution as if she had any say in the matter after being rejected and kicked out of the only social circle she had is an insane thing to say. You can stan Valerie without making shit up and pretending that second wavers (who even at the time already had a shitload of infighting and could barely stand each other) all unanimously and supported loved Valerie. When the truth is that barely any of them wanted anything to do with her as they saw her as a liability to be associated with her

>>24937
I'm basing this off Robin Morgan's biography and It really doesn't contradict what you said either, 2nd wavers wanted to work with her, but her mental illness and immaturity ended those chances

>>15455
Is the link down? It leads to nowhere to me

watching a documentary called Prostitution: Behind The Veil. It's about two women who are navigating life as prostitutes in Iran. So far I've seen
>an old moid pay a 17 year old run away to be his temporary wife because she has nowhere else to go
>the chief of Islamic enforcement police has been raping teenage girls
>a moid sleep with one of the women, her child asleep in the back, and her explaining that when she was leaving the car he intentionally moved the car to smash both of them into concrete
>a moid sell one of the prostitutes actual 3 month old baby, another woman explaining that the same moid would beat the baby with a rod and the ribs were constantly broken so the moid would drug the baby to make it look like she was sleeping soundly. Nobody is freaked out for some reason
>a moid cut open one of their arms. She reveals this moid has paid her for a temporary marriage, and then shows the marks from her beatings. He is also beating her baby
>a moid tell one of the prostitutes that she's too expensive so he turns to her toddler son and says "tell mummy $5"
>In the end one of the prostitutes enters a temporary marriage with an old moid who calls her a hundred times a day
And I have to wonder how we can draw up kind of goal in the rf community to set up female only spaces in places like Iran, jesus christ. Out of anywhere in the world that needs to seperate women from scrotes it's Iran. Every single moid no matter how small their appearance in the documentary is an utter nightmare to women. Just dozens of pedophiles, abusers, borderline murderers, etc, and neither of the women are even remotely fazed by any of it.

>>7871
Considering Marx was a raging misogynistic pig I'm inclined to call you a retard.

>>7880
There's not really a need or demand for it like in this video >>7881. Because in western countries the state already supports women, there are many options, and women are more financially independent than ever. So the people attracted to it will make it horrible and/or make it fail. No women who are well-rounded, competent and sincere/generous will join. It won't be a good, well-run place and won't serve a clear purpose. It's better to improve the things already in place rather than larp in a commune. That video is an entirely different context, mostly women with children whose husbands (providers) have died and they don't have many or any options in that society and situation. There's no one in that situation in western countries as the whole system and living standards is different.

Bringing up something from a post in a different thread >>24848
> I saw some women on Tumblr mention an urban commune with a shared garden, and I think that's where the future of lesbian separatism lies. A lot of land owners are soon not going to be able to work on their lands because of their old age, and young lesbians are failing to step up and take over for the reasons you mentioned. Female (or lesbian) only apartment complexes would be much more compatible with our contemporary digital lifestyles. It also suits the lesbians who don't want to be removed from society completely or prefer city jobs.
How difficult could be to achieve an all female small building (3-5 floors with 2/3 apartmens per floor)? What are some of the obstacles that can come up while trying to build a community like this? I am young, I don't think I'll be buying an apartmente until 5-6 years from now and I really want to consider doing something like this with a group of women. Some questions to start the discusion:
>Would you live with women that are much younger/older than you?
>Would you live with mothers that have babies/children/teenagers? Are you okay with kids of both sexes or not?
>Are female urban communities something men would target where you live or would you feel safe with regular protection devices such as alarms and security doors?

>>25307
With the current property rates it would be very expensive, but it's technically doable

there are just some things you just should not fuck with. Unfortunately, I think society no longer has reverence left for the miracle of life. I don't even mean that in a religious sense. Motherhood is less respected than ever, women are being used as surrogates, trans "men" pumped with hormones are having babies and doctors encourage them to see what happens. When anyone so much as mentions trans women getting uterus transplants I realize we are past redemption as a species. No one truly cares about the health of the baby or its mother. Feels like we are in a cult of science where everyone is seen as a potential experiment with as little ethics as possible. I forgot to mention the talk around organ donors and the ways that all has gone wrong.

>Slightly OT, but how many of you lead lesbian-focused or lesbian-separatist lives?
Love the idea of it. I think I prefer general female separatism because lesbian separatism draws political lesbians and I honestly prefer straight women to that. If I could live on an island populated entirely by homosexual women I'd give up everything for that, but in reality I think lesbian separatism will always be a bit disappointing because it lesbian spaces attract polilez women at the same rate they attract AGPs.
>And what do you all think of womyn's lands?
I love the idea in theory but honestly it gives me a bad vibe. I know an older lesbian who has her own land and lives off the grid and I hate to say it because she's so interesting but she's also pretty nuts and abrasive. I think it takes a certain personality type to say "fuck the world" and go build your own land, and that personality type isn't always great with cooperation. Also communal living seems to primarily attract people who are terrible at communal living.

If they were more common in my country I think I'd love to try visiting because I'm definitely open to having my mind changed, but all the active ones I've heard of are in the states.

>>24667
I personally think it's nature. I myself have been a gay misandrist outcast since I was 10 (as well as having a random fixation on drawing naked women at that same age) and I doubt that gave my sexuality enough time to be moulded by other factors. I don't want to pretend that there's no nuance when it comes to sexuality, but I really think the inclusion of nurture comes from our extremely misogynistic, hetero-oriented society. Not to blog but I had my first girlfriend when I was very young, and unquestioningly called myself lesbian but it was only as I continued to grow up and be exposed to more of the world's straight propaganda that I started calling my sexuality into question and second guessing myself. "Just wait until you find the right man", "I won't be surprised if you get a boyfriend next year", and generally treating being gay as a phase can really make you think that you WERE "turned gay" because you had negative experiences with males in your life, or that you can't know for certain because you never tried dick. I always contrast this mentality of nature and nurture irt lesbianism to that of gay guys, who seemingly never questioned themselves from a nurture perspective at all. Nurture, imo, is entirely a socialization thing, because the category we belong to as women exists in its proximity to men, which makes us question ourselves more and think we'd been "taught" to deviate from our role, if that makes any sense.
Either way, I don't think it really matters much to lesbian feminism. I don't care how you grew into being a lesbian, if you're an exclusively same sex attracted female, then you're in my corner and I care for you. And even if we did know what "caused" it, what would we do with that? Try to turn more women gay? Probably not. Reposted because I responded to the wrong anon, gomen.

>>24673
I relate to this so hard. But I’m also a sort of paranoid and anxious person and the paranoia along with schizophrenia in my family doesn’t help. I remember my first crush was a girl in prek and I vividly remember her name and thinking she was so beautiful which made me want to give my marker to her. I also would obsessively draw female stick figures with boobs. This was all before the internet. To be honest the internet and how politicized being lesbian is created anxiety around my sexuality. Fast forward I discover lolcow where certain commenters love to push the idea that if a man abused you, you’re an angry bisexual who’s delusional about being lesbian but in a way that’s somehow not homophobia?? My mother was still my primary abuser but i digress. I push back on that because years of experience on the internet has taught me how easy it is to regress to the beliefs we were taught by the power structure we live under. Like
> Heterosexuality is natural
> Women’s sexuality is more fluid except when it comes to being attracted to men
> Bisexual men don’t exist, only gay and straight men
I could easily live without men. I honestly never felt a way about them until I started scrolling on lolcow. They’re not really present in my life.

These views are all from the eyes of straight men.

>>24667
From a scientific perspective there's little empirical evidence to suggest that sexuality can be "taught".
>>24664
I think >>24671 makes a very good point with regard to womyn's lands. You truly need a certain mindset and fortitude to be able to fully divest yourself in the manner of living-off-the-land self-subsistence. Young women these days, especially WOC, have less disposable income than the women of the mid-to-late 20th century, not to mention our increased reliance on technology.
and a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square. Soz, the geometry mistake was killing me kek

>>24803
>the geometry mistake
Actually killing myself. That's what I meant, I'm retarded. Thanks for correcting me.
>You truly need a certain mindset and fortitude to be able to fully divest yourself in the manner of living-off-the-land self-subsistence.
True. It's definitely not for everyone. I saw some women on Tumblr mention an urban commune with a shared garden, and I think that's where the future of lesbian separatism lies. A lot of land owners are soon not going to be able to work on their lands because of their old age, and young lesbians are failing to step up and take over for the reasons you mentioned. Female (or lesbian) only apartment complexes would be much more compatible with our contemporary digital lifestyles. It also suits the lesbians who don't want to be removed from society completely or prefer city jobs.

>>21965
It's known that a lot of female celebs worked with epstein and helped him gain access to other women but it never gets talked about

Maybe not completely lost, but this is upsetting.

>>24600
Who is she? I don't recognise her.

>>25823
PJ Harvey

>>24600
Latereply but me too, also the clips of her being offended by being associated with the feminist movement make her seem like a huge pick me. I still love her first two albums but it put a sour taste in my mouth.

>>24443
There is no biological basis for female pedophilia. Moids are naturally pedophiles.

>>24448
How do u know ?

Wow such a cool story of forcing yourself into sex

Since I expand my bioessentialism to women, sex and inequality of hetero sex. People are dismissive of facts so they are shitting themselves over it but it's literally accurate and it all is also reflected in female pattern behaviors and psychology. Their sexual anatomy is their female psychology only difference is sexual orientation. In piv and hetsex a woman is in inherently feminine role due to her biology and sexually only experiences feminine emotions in the whole body since sex is about the while body not just genitals therefore clit orgasms are even more useless than penetration especially did alone not other human using your body. It literally fucks up with your nervous system cause the energy release is incomplete and it women it can't be all centered in one point like in men cause women experience arousal in their vagina and cervix too. I would also say that "vagina girl" is also a "mouth girl" cause the body opens on both sides and the vaginal stimulation is about full body opening and submission. Women's heterosexuality is about male pleasure cause if their biology and so it all seems more psychological than solely physical. When you try to research women's idea of porn for women you find things like "I crave his cum more than life!!" "Sucking his dick and he's moaning" shit and it really doesn't need a comment lol. Male validation is I think also the main point of female heterosexuality. They have sex for male validation and nothing makes het sex equal or makes up for women having to do violent inherently humiliating acts like dick sucking which I thought is a psychop but atp sex having is a psychop cause dick sucking is literally just reflected in female psychology that is a reflection of their biology. I got so many insults and arguments about these specific acts while constantly giving proof of how sex looks like even brining up women's confessions that they suffocate during it and all is get is being treated like I'm Hitler. Just cause I hate the idea of me having a degrading sexual role cause of my biology and humans logic and morals seem to be based on the biological gender roles cause why they see one violence as bad but other they can't even comprehend that it's violent. And female subjugation is just natural so when someone tries to express why they don't enjoy womanhood then get told the reasons aren't proven to be even true then that's gaslighting, I won't even mention the sexual harassment after hating on Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>Two pregnancies were terminated for various reasons
this can mean that either there were birth complications(which are common with surrogate pregnancies) or they were sex selective abortions, cause this man specifically wanted a little girl.

>>23734
>went through the surrogacy process by himself and lived to tell about it
yeah, cause he wasn't the surrogate. funny how this post neglects to mention the mother in all of this.
>his journey includes two pregnancies that were terminated
he didn't go through any abortions, all he went through was the impatience of waiting

repost from the MTF thread, Here is a TIM using a woman as a surrogate to have his children, and then pretending to that he's the "real mother"

>>23678
What the fuck, the true evil in this world and specifically dirty predators like him is making me tear up. I hope that dirty piece of shit will suffer every day.
I really wonder what is going through the surrogate's head? Insane

I came across this really sketchy chinese surrogacy page on twitter. I also noticed that it exclusively uses European-appearing models in their cover shoots.

>>14229
I love Dorothy Parker!

nonnies do you have any recs for female (preferably all-female) gothic bands/artists?
would love recs for any alternative genre tbh - metal, rock, punk, noise etc.
double points if they're (rad) feminists, sing about misogyny or women (in a lesbian way or not)

>>23389
Check out the punk/ska band Bad Cop Bad Cop. No idea if they pander to troons but they sing about misogyny.

>>23389
7 Year Bitch - Dead Men Don't Rape