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No. 18143

A thread for collecting data and sources that debunk common misogynistic, MRA and manosphere claims.

No. 18144

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The myth of elevated lesbian domestic violence

No. 18145

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The 2018 "incel crisis" graph. The data is from the General Social Survey. The sample size of this data is too small to make sweeping conclusions. For example, in 2018, the sample size for "frequency of sex in past year" for men under 30 was 265, with 86 being non-answers.

No. 18165

>>18145
If they want regular sex they should get married. Men act like being able to have casual sex is a good thing - it's not. It spreads diseases and causes pregnancies women either have to abort or raise on their own.
Also a lot of zoomer normie men and women are against casual sex and they're the reason why these stats are low, not the incels. They don't want to engage in degeneracy because they've seen what happened in the last generations(ex. hiv epidemic, hpv epidemic, etc.)

No. 18436

Bumping thread as some incel has been posting falsely done pedophilia researches on hwre lately and I feel like this thread is useful.
A lot of kinseys research is both unethical and not trustworthy at all, he specifically picks his sample to be degens so the results will end up shockingly high.

No. 18658

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Feminism is causing an epidemic of singleness and childlessness? Examples of rates of singleness in Western Europe in the 17th, 18th, 19th centuries. Hardly a feminist paradise in that time and place.

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In based trad 1950 USA, 34% (1 in 3) of women were still in the labor force. Definitely low, but I think most people are led to believe it was much lower, like around 5%.

No. 18662

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These graphs have recently been shared around the internet to make claims that zoomer males are becoming heckin BASED and (all) women are emotional and succumb to woke leftist manipulation propaganda. Even though the change in conservative identification is less than 5% for boys. And the change in liberal identification is ~10% for girls. The rate of conservative identification remained more stable, which suggests the increase in liberals could be a change in moderate or apolitical girls. 70% of girls still don't identify as liberal. A basic failure to read the Y axis and general statistical education in so many people. And of course there's no source provided for these graphs.

No. 18664

>>18662
I’d hope more girls are liberal considering they know the other side wants them to suffer and die through unwanted childbirth. Politics for men are pointless because their well-being is never at risk or debated so they just choose whatever is cool in their corner of the internet.

No. 18665

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>>18661
In the 1940s and 50s, a hatred of mothers and "momism" became mainstream. Mothers were blamed as the source for many problems in society. Thus claims that retvrning to the 1950s will fix society are false.

No. 18667

>>18436
I'm not familiar with it, but the Wikipedia page has a huge section on other researchers who criticized the methodology

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Many far right men want to scapegoat women for legislation they hate, most often the US Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Immigration Act of 1965. A quick look on Wikipedia shows that men and women voted for democrats who introduced those policies at similar rates. The far right must blame both men and women.

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>>18669
In the 2022 US midterm election, there was a 6% gap between men and women voting republican. This table from Pew Research shows the % of women voting republican increasing in each election since 2018. The claim from right-wingers that women are destroying society by being emotionally manipulated into voting democrat is false.

No. 19138

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>>18674
Are women responsible for voting in Justin Trudeau because of his good looks? Yes I know this claim is absolutely retarded but it’s common. There are no exit polls in Canada but these are the “A+” accuracy polls conducted a few days before the election

Liberal (Justin Trudeau) vote intention

>Nanos Research

Male 38.6%
Female 37.8%

>Forum Research

Male 42%
Female 39%

>Mainstreet Research

Male 37%
Female 34%

>EKOS

Male 38.4%
Female 33.6%

>Ipsos & Leger

Gender breakdown not available

By the way I’m not saying it’s good or bad to vote democrat/liberal. Just tired of these right wing lies about women.

No. 19500

>>18165
What about people who want to have sex with no strings attached? I'm not into relationships or marriage and I don't want to have to build one to 'deserve' sex in return. Plus making the point of marriage and relationships to be entitlement to sex is
an unhealthy mindset. Not trying to argue btw, just trying to understand your point of view and provide mine.

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Break down of the statistics behind "women are more likely to abuse children" meme.

The misconception started because of the child maltreatment 2022 report from the HHS (https://acf.gov/cb/report/child-maltreatment-2022). This report looks at reports of child abuse and neglect. In it they found that 52% of victims had a female perpetrator and 47% had a male perpetrator. At first glance it's easy to deduce that women are more likely to abuse children than men, but when you look down at the breakdown of the abuse statistics this is what you get :

>Women were the perpetrator in 58.5% of neglect cases (vs 41% for men)

>Women were the perpetrator in 70.5% of medical neglect cases (vs 29% for men)

>Men were the perpetrator in 49.5% of physical abuse cases (vs 49% for women)

>Men were the perpetrator in 89% of sexual abuse cases (vs 8% for women)
>Men were the perpetrator in 59% of emotional abuse cases (vs 41% for women)

So the result here is that women were mostly responsible for cases of neglect (both general and medical), whereas men were responsible for the most severe cases of child abuse which is exactly what people tend to think about when imagining child abuse situations.

No. 39090

>>39085
You're leaving out the fact that men make less than twenty percent of primary caregivers, yet they still commit half of child abuse cases.
Men are the niggers of gender (no offense to black nonners)(racebait)

No. 39094

>>39090
There should be high fines for child abuse, paid to the child's bank account (they can use once they turn 18), in addition to prison time.

No. 39108

>>39090

That fact aside, because per capita isn't a perfect metric, it's good to have a breakdown of the statistics behind this meme and where the rates of abuse for women mostly come from vs where the rates for men mostly come from.

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I'm pretty sure you're all have been aware of the study (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19085605/) that is usually circulating to spread the "women want to be raped deep down" meme. The study itself has been conducted by Jenny Bivona and Joseph Critelli, the questionnaire (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201508/why-do-women-have-rape-fantasies) was more or less centered about asking the female participants about :

>Being forced by a man to surrender sexually against my will.

>Being forced by a woman to surrender sexually against my will.
>Being forced into sex against my will because I was incapacitated by drugs, alcohol, or being unconscious.
>Being forced by a man to give him oral sex.
>Being forced by a woman to give her oral sex.
>Being forced to have anal sex.
>Being raped by a man.
>Being raped by a woman.

The findings were 62 percent of participants admitting to fantasizing at least one of the eight scenarios:

>Forced by a man: 52 percent

>Raped by a man: 32 percent
>Forced oral by a man: 28 percent
>Forced while incapacitated: 24 percent
>Forced by a woman: 17 percent
>Forced anal: 16 percent
>Raped by a woman: 9 percent
>Forced oral by a woman: 9 percent

But..an important detail here is that 15 percent of study participants reported being survivors of sexual assault and although the conclusion doesn't take into account the impact of prior sexual abuse experiences in the formation of these fantasies it's still unwise to rule that out completely. Moreover I have also never seen the distribution of the scenarios of erotic-aversive spectrum (meaning which ones trigger the most aversions and which ones the most eroticism) and the paper doesn't really offer any specificities regarding the dynamics imagined by the participants, alternative explanation scenarios for the the first answer (the most dominant one among the female participants)

>Less about wanting to be dominated and brutlized and more about wanting to avoid sexual shame and blame e.g : Constructing a fantasy like this that 'absolves' them of their own sexual desires, many women are still very conditioned to think that their enjoyment of sex makes them "sluts."


>The fantasies aren't really about “rape” fantasy in terms of pain, violation, a horrible aggressive stranger. It long predates (modern video) porn, it goes back to the earliest literature and poetry.


>It’s more of a “ravishment”’ fantasy (at least for most women) that - particularly in previous generations - allowed women to abnegate feelings of guilt and shame around sex, “their body betrays them/they had no choice” - combined with the fantasy of being so attractive that an otherwise civilised man is reduced to sheer animal lust around you.


>The fantasies aren't about being brutally violated and ending up with a torn vagina, ruptured cervix, torn asshole or pregnancy. (unlike what is commercialised by mainstream porn and fantasised about by men)


>They are fantasies for women who feel too guilty to initiate sex from religious and societal shaming so they fantasize about being overcome by a man. (unlike men whom those fantasies would be about enacting violence and control over a woman and experiencing absolute power over her)


>it's a woman who is 'ravished' by a very handsome man who then gives her orgasms…that's more of a fantasy of being seduced.


>It's also about coping with the reality that rape exists by trying to "take control" over and define the parameters of the whole act, by turning an act of terror into an act of pleasure.


>The fantasies in question aren't about They're either super romanticized, like "the hot guy from my dream crawled through my bedroom window"

No. 39143

>>39138
>15 percent of study participants reported being survivors of sexual assault
Why were they included in the study at all? This is no longer research done on the general female population.

No. 39146

>>39138
We also have to take in account how sex works in heterosexual couples: the woman is penetrated, that is, she's the receptor, while the man is the one that penetrates, he's the giver. Because of this, a fantasy like this:
>like "the hot guy from my dream crawled through my bedroom window"
becomes "rape". If it were something like:
>the woman crawls through the bedroom window and rides a hot guy
it doesn't look like the woman wants to be raped. But inherently, the feeling is the same, having a sexual encounter with a hot guy, in a made-up setting in her mind. It's a world where a woman doesn't get pregnant, she controls the man, she is loved and she is the protagonist. However, translated into real life, because of the nature of real heterosexual intercourse and the context of rape culture, those fantasies give the message that women "want to be raped".

No. 39147

>>39143
I have the same question too.



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