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No. 18127
>>18123It literally is not, no one here is professionally trained enough to treat a mentally ill suicidal woman who believes shes a man. Go seek therapy from doctors and say you have body image issues and struggle with how society sees women instead.
Also stop making threads that already exist just because you feel entitled to special attention.
No. 36009
>>35983Same I'm quite unfortunate in life and most of my problems in life are cause I'm born a woman in a world full of males.
I have to live in fear, have to double check things, can't enjoy walking alone at midnight, bleed every month etc
This is why I don't care much about this pathetic existence, I'm trying to shorten it
No. 36078
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I'm disgusted by femininity and femaleness with everything. I shouldn't have born as female, I fucking hate my life, I hate everything, I want to rip off my vagina with a knife, I want to cut my whole body. Why the fuck I born as female? I'm mentally a male, psychologically male. I hate everything about this, this body is not mine. It's just one of the God's cruel jokes. My goal is to get a high paying job and save up money for bottom surgery. At least it will relieve my dysphoria. I don't know how I'll live like this, I hope someone kill me soon
No. 36080
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>>36078the idea of transition makes me more dysphoric, i must born as a biological male or not, not in between, i can’t mutilate myself more than it is..
(spoiler your shit) No. 36083
>>36078Bottom surgery will only give you meat-tube that will rot over time. You would be unable to even piss out of it.
Just try and get muscular instead and dress adrogynously.
No. 36144
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I don't even want to be male, I just want to be human, and yet I always contradict myself by craving love and to be coddled and seen as vulnerable without altering my appearance to be feminine and small. I wish human sexual dimorphism wasn't so painfully extreme.
No. 36155
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Relationship goals
No. 36156
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>>361552/2 healing process
No. 36683
I had dysphoria since puberty and most of it has died down or gone away over time. Some of the relief just happened from not being a teenager anymore, some of it came from me gaining more control over my life and image - which back then, the lack of control translated into intensified body image issues that fed into the dysphoria, and some of it came from getting more control over my body via healthier choices.
Not trying to sound like a "just do crunches and it'll go away" hippy, I'm sure some women have worse lifelong dysphoria, but getting more familiar with my physical capabilities (outside of the 24/7 media psyop of only sex and childbirth) and improving my mind-body connection through activity helped a lot in reframing how I see myself and the muscles that work to give me strength. Body neutrality, exercise, a good diet, a few good female friends/mentors/partner, etc.
I still avoid/restrict old triggers, like looking in the mirror too long and clothes shopping. Alleviating dysphoria made me only less sensitive to those. Inb4 "that's dysmorphia" I'm pretty sure dreading the existence of my sex characteristics and wanting them gone doesn't fit the definition.
No. 36723
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I fucking hate the state world goes right now. Shit, if getting surgery wasn't hard enough. I'm gonna kidnap the doctors if they won't let me get it, they can send me to jail for it idc
No. 36896
>>36894Then I imagine at least one of these would be true:
>you're not comfortable with being the submissive one in a heterosexual relationship >you're not comfortable with being in a heterosexual relationship at allThis isn't what only males have, so what you've described doesn't sound like gender/sex dysphoria.
No. 36900
>>36817is it true that getting hysterectomy is harder now? damn im fucked then i already have endometriosis and hate bleeding every month
i fucking hate this organ so much its retarded shit that bleeds and pains me
No. 36929
>>36925
I don't think men are more beautiful than women but women's bodies are weird in a bad way, like they have weird curves and fats hanging on their chests, hip dips, childbearing hips, bones are narrow and weak, holds more fat, fucking bleeds and vagina leaks disgusting shit, vagina is like a shithole lol it's prone to infection, which is gross, some women have that weird high pitch voice; I'm not even talking about pregnant bodies, I avoid looking at that type of women, it physically revolts me. Models have a more evenly distributed fat composition and more proportional, people see it as masculine tho so you may be right.
No. 36975
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>>36956>so my enemy is this shit earthThe basest villain origin story. Keep it up!
No. 36978
>>36963Pooning out is not 'cheating at life' - it's the opposite. The trans cause may be popular (as it's astroturfed - not a grassroot movement) for a short time and the TQ may enjoy privileges for the time being, but that popularity is waning fast as more people peak. It's a very short-sighted mindest, and one typical of the third world - get rich fast, no matter the consequences for the entire group, including you. More and more employers will avoid hiring trannies (because they cause drama all the time, will retaliate with lawsuits when fired and are mentally ill - this is compounded by the fact that doctors troon out everyone who claims 'gender dysphoria', without treating the root causes), more regular people will distance themselves from you, you will only be able to date chasers, you will be made a poster girl for 'moral degeneracy' and everything going wrong in the country.
>My body is already destroyed Just wait for it to be destroyed further then.
No. 36988
>>36963>We aren't getting the radfem GNC utopia in our life time, sorry.Nice strawman.
>The way we treat people based on sexThere's a high, high chance you won't pass even if you reach that TIF pornstar's level. Height, voice, fat distribution, muscle mass, bone structure itself wrt limb length, brow bones, etc. You might think you'll pass on a few attributes but the things add up to out you in the whole picture. You think being an ugly autistic tomboy woman is bad? Wait till people around you clock you in half a second and think you're childish, fragile, and delusional too. What little "kid glove" treatment you get from males will disappear if they're stupid/aloof enough to think you're male and you'll have to hear all the locker room talk. Other women will clock you as a gender traitor and you'll only be left with other TIFs who genuinely think they're men as company. Worse yet, like 80% of those women and girls have little to no dysphoria. You'll be left even more alone in a sea of LARPers who love to talk about their breeding and BDSM kinks, now that they think they successfully cheated the patriarchy, just like you hope to now. But they won't even have a fucking clue. And neither will you, to the outsider looking in.
No. 37037
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Why god created me woman if I'm a man? God is so foidbrained I hate her
No. 37056
>>36968You won't pass, people will just treat you delicately because they'll see you as a delusional mentally ill woman who they need to be nice to or else she'll kill herself/throw a huge tantrum over any perceived slight. They will be nice to you in the same way we are nice to literally retarded people.
Stop caring what the world thinks of unfeminine women - you can never change your biological sex, so just learn to accept it and live with it without damaging it with unnecessary drugs and cosmetic surgeries.
>>36956 has the right idea. The problem isn't you and your body, it is our fucked up sexist society. If you ruin your own body with drugs and surgery you are letting the fucked up sexist world win.
No. 37100
>>37088Dumb fucking sluts like you is the reason why our world is fucked up. You have a boyfriend get fucked, dress feminine, you don't belong any feminist nor trans space. You're an attention whore and you know it. You aren't genderless you are just a stupid woman who wants to change the meaning of the words because of your fefe. Shut the fuck up and go get fucked by your boyfriend. I can tell you haven't gone through any remotely bad thing in life. Dumb fucker. You would be a tradwife 50 years ago fucker, you expect from women here who are already unheard, alone and in pain to coddle you like you retard "nonnies" do? No, you are the type of women we hate the most. I'll take a 4B separatist
terf any day over whores like you who don't know what the consequences of their actions means. Women like you just proves what a stupid, useless, submissive gender it is. Just fuck off already, don't reply to this post we don't gaf what you think or do. Go tell these to your bf while he rapes you. Then cry about men but go back to sucking cock. Go dress feminine but say you aren't comfortable getting called she, what are you bpd? You can't be more comfortable in your gender more than it is, the only reason why you feel "unhcomfohble" getting called "she" is because it reminds you how much you like cocks, how feminine you are. You'll never be dysphoric bethany. You have no idea what you're talking about. Gender will never get abolished, you could delete all the gendered concepts from people's mind and it wouldn't change shit. Go talk about your guilty pleasure pronoun fetish somewhere else. Now take this shit out of my face
(infighting ) No. 37160
You guys make me work harder to reduce/ignore my dysphoria so I no longer have to be associated with anyone like you in the future. So many of you are just doompilled in the troon flavor. Deeply embarrassing and pathetic, still chasing the dragon, you just think your self-awareness makes it better when you don't do anything about the problem.
>>37088>It's not about any of the dumb "not wanting to be perceived as female" shitIt sounds like it though. You just shifted the 'female is bad' reaction onto 'the word woman (which means female) is bad'. Same shit, barely different words. Stop giving gender so much power, stop obsessing over it, stop associating so much with people who use 'woman' to mean 'submissive/worthless/abusable'. I feel like you're scared that people call you a woman and she because you associate those words with being named an acceptable target.
You have the lightest problem so far in this thread, I think you can resolve it. I mean this well.
No. 37455
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Man, dae is confused by their internal gender? Like I know I'm not female brained but I'm not sure if that's automatically makes me male brained. I acknowledge there's only two gender but I can't help I feel like I'm non binary. I don't relate to trans people. I relate more to some intersex people where they feel like they can't fit into neither gender because of their condition. I feel to male brained to be a woman but I don't think it's makes me necessary "male brained", because I feel like I can just be something in between tho maybe I'm just in denial. I want to know my inner gender, I'm sick of being confused, I don't know if I'm a man or whatever. I just want to die
No. 37495
>>37455Brains are not sexed. There's no male brain or female brain, just like there's no male kidney or female liver. It's true that every cell in your body has DNA that determines what sex you are.
Sex is a biological reality and gender is the associated cultural roles and meanings ascribed to sex - put simply, sex stereotypes. There is no "inner gender," that's not a thing. Gender is just a set of sex stereotypes that society pretends are rules that you HAVE to follow o-o-or else it's going to get mad!!1!1!1
Free yourself, genuinely. All this emphasis on gender is basically a new pseudo-religion that relies on bullshit explanations like "idk I just feel it deep within muh soul"-type emotional appeals.
No. 37509
>>37503Why even bother coming here if you're so content on chasing your delusions and disordered thinking? What magical catch-all answer are you hoping to get from an imageboard that your astrologer and TRA friends and whatever else source of woo-woo couldn't give you? Are you still genuinely trying to get better, or just making a show of it to feel better about yourself?
>>37500Feelings are not reality. It's good to acknowledge them and either act on them or let them pass. There's no internal "man feeling" or "woman feeling".
What are you trying in your life to reduce the amount of time you dwell on your dysphoria? Are you helping yourself?
No. 37532
>>37509>Feelings are not realityYes, I don't conform to womanhood therefore I'm not a woman, just a female. If I get rid of my genitals I no longer be a female.
>There's no internal "man feeling" or "woman feelingNo but there's conformity to one's nature and then rejection, when it's the latter dysphoria manifests as a defense mechanism. Which also may lead person to feel they're the opposite gender.
>What are you trying in your life to reduce the amount of time you dwell on your dysphoriaI'm saving up money for surgery but it's useless. It's not gonna happen in this shitshow. I could never have a normal life anyway, whether I had dysphoria or not, so I'm thinking to end this freakshow soon
No. 37586
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Considering to inject unknown substitutes I'll buy from deep web to my vagina so it can rot or get cancerous, that way I can get the surgery
No. 37606
I don't want to do makeup, I don't want to have a skincare ruitine, I don't want to take care of my skin, I don't want to dress feminine, I don't want to pluck hair; I don't want to take care of my looks, I don't want to be a woman I hate women so fucking much to the point I want to kill myself. They can't stop spreading their diseases to the world, they want everyone else to join their disgusting useless masochistic rituals, they want everyone to obey to them. I don't anymore feel bad about living in a patriarchal society, if world run by women it would turn into eugenic camp. You would forced to be feminine even harder, everyone would be forced to do these things, sounds like a inescapable hell. It's not patriarchy that forces you these things, it's other women. And god fucking cursed me for some reason so I born in this body. This shit ass gender. Women are devils and I understand men so much better now
No. 37607
>>37606there is no way this wasn't written by a male. that's just such a low iq take. if women were the dominant sex then obviously they wouldn't be bothered with these beauty rituals and it would be males being forced to perform for us. None of this is natural did you forget that women stopped doing their makeup/shaving etc during covid because no one would see them? did you forget that in all male made media unfeminine are portrayed as unlovable hags? of course many women want to go along with what males want since they rule the world because at the end they want to play it safe and survive.
Males are perpetually stuck in a juvenile mindset, are devoid of critical thinking and incapable of thinking about societal issues beyond a surface level. I'm not surprised humanity is going extinct under male leadership. Malesness is synonymous with failure.
No. 37608
>>37607>if women were the dominant sex then obviously they wouldn't be bothered with these beauty rituals and it would be males being forced to perform for usWhy do I see so many women say things like "Oh I would even dress sluttier if men didn't exist" then? Also your assumption is false because most women dress and do makeup for other women, so they can be accepted by them. So yeah this proves my point that beauty standards would be more radical.
>None of this is natural did you forget that women stopped doing their makeup/shaving etc during covid because no one would see them?It doesn't have to be natural to be true. Did I forget about women who even did their makeup even when no one was around? Did I forget about women who said they were doing their makeup for themselves? Did I forget that makeup and fashion trends blasted during covid? No I didn't.
>did you forget that in all male made media unfeminine are portrayed as unlovable hags? Women despise unfeminine women as much as men do if not more
>of course many women want to go along with what males want since they rule the world because at the end they want to play it safe and surviveWhy women want to have these things in a female ruled world too then? Why lesbians do those things? If women only did these things to survive we all would know it and I wouldn't typed that post.
>humanity is going extinct under male leadershipBased patriarchy
No. 37609
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>>37608Stupid takes all around
No. 37618
>>37606>I don't want to do makeup,based
>I don't want to have a skincare ruitine,cringe
>I don't want to take care of my skin,cringe
>I don't want to dress feminine,based
>I don't want to pluck hair;based (if you still shave)
>I don't want to take care of my looks,cringe
>I don't want to be a womancringe
>I hate womenmega cringe
No. 37633
>>37624I think hairy women are hot. Male body hair on the other hand is so unhygienic to the point you get a skin infection if you kiss a bearded male. Males are really the defective inferior sex.
>>37629The male butthole is also receptive. Only males have an organ that solely exists to cause pleasure when analy penetrated. If I was male I would be ashamed that my body is designed to make me enjoy being a anal painslut.
So sad to see this thread taken over by trolling males under the guise of dysphoria and blackpill "feminism". I've never seen actual dysphoric women say such things.
Just go ride your dildo and leave us alone faggots.
No. 37723
>>37500I don't know, focus on the salvation of your soul. Your body is just a vessel.
>>37606It seems you should stop hanging around bimbos - it's bad for your mental health.
>>37646>anal orgasm is better than penile orgasm for themSource?
No. 37743
>>37723>I don't know, focus on the salvation of your soul. Your body is just a vesselI'm not spiritualist. Your mind is product of your body. I am what my body is.
>It seems you should stop hanging around bimbos - it's bad for your mental healthIt's not bimbos, that's every other woman. I can't keep going like that. Yesterday I had a enlightenment, I don't think I can ever go back. I'm likely a man in a females body. I just feel shit about it so much. I hate to be exist. I don't have an identity. It all feels wrong. I can't function like that, wish I could just transition but not only am I poor but also I don't feel like a man. I'm probably in denial but I really don't feel like a man even tho I'm disgusted and repulsed by femininity. I feel being nullgender is the closest thing I am but I rather to not born at all
No. 37759
>>37758>it's not going to make you feel any betterYeah that's for sure cause I thought about it and I'll never be a biological male. Transitioning is a tough process both mentally and psychically but it's not about feeling better, it's about feeling like myself.
>you can never "escape" being a womanI disagree with this personally, if people see me as a man and treat me as one, how I can't escape from womanhood? I don't see this as an escape from womanhood, more like part of my evolution, who I am. I simply come to realization that I wasn't made out to be a woman.
No. 37776
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I feel like I already pas as underweight boy if you ignore the tits(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
No. 37820
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90% of my dysphoria is related to misogyny and it's almost fully disappeared now that i've started healing from past traumas and have gotten involved in feminism, but i think at some point in my childhood/early puberty i managed to give myself some weird form of autoandrophilia that i can't get rid of. i don't even want to be a bio male or a third sex or anything i just have a debilitating need to outperform men in every way possible and impossible. and also i want to "be a man" in the sense that i want to have a heterosexual dynamic with other women, mostly because of my homophobic environment but even then there are things moids will be able to do with women that i never will, ie. have fully bio children. i'm also bisexual which makes it weird, i'm likely never going to be in a relationship with a moid thank god but anytime i find one attractive or try to fantasize about a relationship i get angry about it and feel the need to assert that i'm "the man" in that situation. the fact that i'll never be as strong as most men also pisses me off and has made me think about roiding multiple times, i need to be able to beat a man with my bare hands if it comes to it. what do nonas
No. 37832
>>37820Are you me. I also always imagined myself as a boy and inserted as male characters in fiction when I was a kid, I was replacing the male character with my made up male alter-ego and imagining myself dating the female character. I was jealous when other girls at school were spending time with boys instead of spending it with me. As a 12 year old I pretended to be a boy online (for like 3 years overall) in order to "date" a girl from my internet community that I had a crush on (when she found out I'm actually a girl she was furious and broke up with me ofc and I couldn't cope with it). I wanted to compete with boys and until certain age I was actually stronger than literally 99% of the boys in my class - I was able to defeat every boy in my class in arm wrestling, except for one boy who was much bigger than the rest. But that was still like over 10 boys, and each of them wanted to fight me and they couldn't defeat me and I was so proud because of that. I felt mad satisfaction from being physically stronger than them. But when puberty started, I noticed changes and that I could no longer keep up with them, and it filled me with anger and jealousy, and I felt powerless and I hated that. The reality of being a female hit me. Having a weaker body was just as terrible as the reality of being perceived as a female (sexualized by adult males, feeling prayed upon etc., another thing boys didn't have to experience). I'm an autist and I do believe autism combined with dysphoria make women like us basically male-brained. I thought I was a lesbian up until I was like 13, like feeling the need to be with a girl and outperform boys felt natural to me, then I noticed I also found some men attractive, but still hated the idea of being with one. And over a decade later I still hate it. I could never physically surrender to a man, I have no problem with being a virgin (in a hetero sense, because I had sex with two girls overall), but the fact that I can still find certain men attractive drives me insane. When I fantasize about relationships with men it never involves actual sex, just living together, kissing and cuddling. The only sexual experiences in my life were with other girls when I was a teenager (and I imagined myself as a man while we were having sex, and I was getting off to it). I feel trapped because as an adult woman I can't imagine myself being with another woman because I don't want to experience sex in a female body. But I can't be sexual with a man either, that would not only mean experiencing sex in a submissive and weak body that I hate, but also surrendering to a man whose body symbolizes everything I cannot be. I would hate him for it, and I would detest myself too. So celibacy is the only way for me…
No. 37847
>>37832NTAYRT, but now it's my turn to say "Are you me?"
You basically laid out my entire story, as well, including being autistic and feeling male-brained, the frustration of recognizing attractiveness of some men, while identifying as a lesbian for years, etc.
Tbh, I'm kind of at peace with my celibacy atp, but I sublimate a lot of my sexual frustrations through art. I found that creative outlets helped me transmute sexual energy into something higher and ethereal (as woo-woo as it sounds).
I hope one day you find peace, nonna. You have my best wishes.
No. 37881
I'm not dysphoric anymore I'm something else i dont want to live anymore i dont want to be human this world is nothing but shit hell. everyone is pedophile and rapists women aren't exempt from it which makes things shittier bc born as weak inferior gender. life isnt hard its impossible my flesh burning and rotting again and again and again. i dont trust anyone everyone is a piece of shit, its just performative and masking when they arent because they benefit from it for whatever reason. i suffered a lot because people saw me as someone im lesser than them so i saw true face of people from younger age and i cant anymore bc being a anti social, femcel, sensitive, dysphoric, aggressive, non sexual woman is so hard. i dont feel like human anymore because when i look at other humans i feel like im looking at a mirror, if thats what theyre capable of doing so am i. its so fucked up if you think about it, there's no normal; everyone have fucked up things they dont even hide from each other. maybe its better to know than be naive? idk but i just cant take being a human, its so scary to be exist, i dont know how can i just keep going i have to fool myself into playing this game, im simply an animal like every other human being so i have to be with them in order to function; live in society. but i dont even want to look at anyones faces, and i start reach to level 3 disassociation where i dont associate my body and self anymore because of this basic fundamental fact that im a human. i interact with world as human and i am what everyone else is because its what language is. i embody the humanity and everything we as humans did and did not. i simply cant do this, i try to cope with it through transhumanism but it's useless. i just dont know anymore…
No. 37931
>>37900I swear I'm recognizing your posts all over the site because of how consistent and laser-focused you are about the supposed innate sexual weaknesses of women on this board, /ot/, and even /g/.
Does it not help to avoid the things that
triggers these thought spirals? Or to practice cutting these thought spirals short? I'm only half-annoyed at this point and half-concerned you're giving yourself some kind of sexual OCD, if you haven't gotten it already.
No. 37990
>>37985Why do
you come to a "
TERF" site with your retarded troon ideology? Fuck off back to Reddit if you want your retardation to be tolerated.
No. 37996
>>37990I mean okay, fine, but you're only stressing yourself by getting mad over something that doesn't even effecting your life.
>>37994We're not fembrained enough to seek validation from others, so no thank you.
No. 38041
>>38027But I don't. Not a troon.
>>38036You're an idiot, a moron, kill yourself already, etc etc.
No. 38049
>>38043Fuck off retarded
terf. Go jump off a bridge if it's bothers you so much, inbred fucker
(infighting) No. 38058
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>>38053
>because our pleasure is attained through serving especially serving dick if you're hetero
>I wish I could remove my clitoris btw
Please stop consuming and writing fetish content. You'll feel a lot better.
No. 38059
>>38057You done defending the troon? This is a
terf site. We don't want you fuckers here.
No. 38119
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I want to diy bottom surgery NOW
No. 38125
>>38124Can't wait to cleanse your worthless bloodline.
>>38121Nice samefagging, retard.
No. 38263
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This thread is fucking great, I'm glad we kept it. It's like watching monkeys throw shit at each other. Retard slapstick. Do it again! Call her a troon!!
No. 38307
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I still cant believe im a woman, what a tragedy
No. 38461
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Having read texts from all manner of feminist authors, listened to detransitioners talk about how their ways of thought led them astray, lost weight, embraced some expressions of femininity (mostly wearing actual women's clothes as opposed to the oversized men's I wore throughout my teens), tried to conceptualize the desire to be male as springing from a well of gynophobia, I'm still sinking, perhaps deeper than I have in many years.
It's been ten years since I posed the possibility of transition, at first as blurry and distant, then as imminent, and I find myself unable to live in my body, to listen to my name being said out loud without cringing, respond to my female friends in the way they expect me to, be in relationships, get drunk with others (out of fear of saying something that would "give it away"), or picture a future for myself. I won't say I'm perceived as anything other than female, but I'm seen as a failed woman, stuck in childhood in many ways—never had sex, never had a meaningful IRL relationship, never had a kiss beyond a quick peck on the lips, unwilling and closed off about anything that relates to the body, prone to shutting off and disengaging for months for reasons unexplained.
Starting T would, somehow, both ruin my life and yet not change anything that makes me unhappy. It wouldn't bring the body I dream of from the back of my mind into reality. I've tried to think of my hesitation to medically transition as being aware of this being a fetish, or something closer to that than a deeper, innermost truth. I'm aware of this but find myself unable to let go of the fantasy of what could've been, unable to accept that there's no deeper, enhanced life waiting for me behind a different name.
A few months ago my sister mentioned, in passing, an art school gayden she knows, and was making fun of his voice. I joined in, but felt like shit afterwards. At least he did it, at least he knows what it can be. I've only known what's behind repression, that is, an empty life.
No. 38466
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>>38461I like the way you write. Hopefully this doesn’t come off the wrong way, but it reminds me of Kafka’s diary entries and his novel “In the Penal Colony”. Anyways, I understand everything you’re saying. I cant image what it’s like to live without some level of dysphoria, I’ve had it my whole life. One of my first concrete memories was crying when my parents bought me a dress to wear. Oftentimes I feel like being a female with dysphoria precludes me from properly inhabiting my body and engaging with the world around me. I wonder what makes us like this? I’m not convinced that it’s entirely societal. Nice de Kooning painting, too. Whose Name Was Writ in Water makes me feel like I’m being washed away by a flood.
No. 38486
>>38420leave her alone
unlike you she is actually dysphoric and not a feminine male lover foid
No. 38520
>>38511You are an
enby? Those are even worse than regular trannies.
No. 38528
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>>38483Please girl this isn't the you cringe you lose thread. Have mercy my sides can't take it
No. 38535
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>>38466It doesn't come off the wrong way at all, thanks a lot :)
Dysphoria informs some of my earliest memories as well. I remember crying when my parents bought me a perfume and not understanding where that almost primal feeling of rejection came from, and a sustained, persistent anger at my name. However, after years of rumination, I believe that I might have "re-interpreted" a lot of my past experiences related to my body and overall position in society as stemming from dysphoria and, while being aware of this process of possibly assigning meanings to different experiences is not useful, I can't help it. You see this a lot in people who undergo medical and/or social transition–it's a way of narrativizing your life. In my case it's led to my past, and even some actions I do in the present, feel unchained, unclear, lacking in direction.
I've often wondered about the origin of my dysphoria and realized that, even if I where to find a concrete, undeniable root/explanation, it wouldn't save me from either the desire to be male or the discomfort of being female. Very rarely does reason conquer desire, specially in the matters of the body.
Maybe your experience with dysphoria is more all-encompassing (as in something you experience everyday I guess), but mine usually comes in waves of acute awareness of my body, whereas usually I'm mostly "away", floating, especially if I'm not being too social or spending too much time outside. I've heard other women experience this feeling of being outside of one's body, mostly during puberty. The fact that I've gotten stuck in this phase doesn't help, either. Non-transitioning, at least for me, doesn't mean settling into a female body, it's being nowhere and digging some sort of existence out of abjection. I do wish for a non-dysphoric, fully "embodied" (in a positive sense) existence, but it feels out of my reach.
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I fucking hate women and being a woman with every cell in my body. I feel happy when something bad happens to women. But i just dont want to transition either because its unfair that my problems and pain is never heard. Meanwhile your average woman is doing fine because she is feminine. Women always fucking complain and its for nothing, society already values femininity. Its us that suffer. But i guess dgaf about those who truly suffers. I want to nuke every cell in my body. I wouldve stabbed a couple of women by now if i knew it wouldnt only make them more valuable in everyone eyes, i know they would like to be victim. I dont want to give them that. I suffered so much because of stupid foids. Im hoping to leave society or at least move to a place away from them. Stay strong
No. 38557
>>38544She wants to have a dick so somebody can give her a blowjob. Relatable honestly (hence why I'm on this thread).
BJ-chan is highkey very based. I agree with everything she says but I also feel bad for her because she seems extremely dysphoriac and I hope she gets the help she needs
No. 38577
>>38557People like you either end up suicide "
victims" or dead in a fucking ditch somewhere. Either way I have no sympathy for you.
No. 38587
>>38583I despise pooners. They're lower than christoids and muslims.
>>38584How about I fuck you with a vibrator while chanting the pooner suicide rate? Can't fucking wait until the day you kill yourself, BJ Chan.
>>38585Ridding your pathetic self from the world is a better option. Pooners are worthless and should be sprayed with pesticide.
(a-logging) No. 38592
>>38589Useless fucking pooner. Couldn't fight a fucking chihuahua.
>>38590Muslims aren't a race, retard.
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So can I write here about how well I've been doing wrt to my dysphoria or is this thread only for weirdos malding out at each other and self-pitying rant posts?
No. 38610
>>38587what I gather is that you have nothing of value whatsoever to say about the topic at hand kek
>>38605you can still write about how well you're doing
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Although I've engaged with radical feminism it has literally never soothed my gender dysphoria. Never. If anything it made me more conscious of it. I'm a lesbian and I've come to the conclusion that it stems from a deep uncomfortable feeling with what my body is capable of as a female. The classes about puberty we had to take in middle school made me irrationally uncomfortable to the point where I'd just walk out. I'd say I have more of a discomfort with being female and would only want to be perceived as male and would want my sexuality to be perceived as male. I hate the fact that being female means that males can be attracted to you or that your assigned goal as a female is to breed with a scrote. I hate that males are constantly chasing after all women. It's so uncomfortable. I hate it and I hate venting about it but sometimes I feel like I need to. Straight males get leeway when they beat up fags who wanna eat their asses. I wish I was male because I want to be left alone. I'm so lucky to be tall because I go out of my way to "pass" as male. I don't get looks from scrotes and it's so relieving. I hate going online and seeing what scrotes think about women or how women even bow down to scrotes sometimes. Watching it makes me think that humans are just innately like that and that i’m such an outlier that it gives me this grueling prison esque feeling in my own body. I feel so disconnected from my sex and humans in general. I hate seeing radical feminists discuss these dynamics, not because I think they're wrong. I just think about what it would be like to be a male and not have to think about any of it. i don’t actually have any trauma or any bad experiences with scrotes either, so I can only boil down my GD to homophobia
>>38605just ignore them. this board is practically dead so all that remains is a bunch of tards who think that everyone here knows each other
>>38535The thing about dysphoria as a female is that the discomfort you have with your body isn't really your fault and is rarely a manifestation of your own insecurities. It tends to be how the world treats you and your sex. Like the ayrt said, it fucks with her ability to engage with the world around her.
No. 38615
>>38610What I gather is that your worthless life will be extinguished as soon as possible.
>>38612Nona it'll get better. I promise.
>>38593If suicide won't kill you, the anorexia will.
No. 38646
>>38624Your mother won't care if you kill yourself tomorrow.
>>38628You and BJ-Chan should fuck each other. It's clearly what you want.
>>38643>feeble mindedAs if TIFs aren't the most pathetic, feeble-minded creatures to have ever existed.
No. 38649
>>38647Nope not in the way you describe, and I've never degraded myself for a moid either kek. If you're comfortable with degrading yourself at any point in your life as a woman how can you claim you have "dysphoria?". I would never think to do that because I did genuinely have discomfort of my body, but not in the sterile way you describe as discomfort over your chest. How does that even make sense to have such strong discomfort and dysphoria and therefore show everyone your insecurity with nudes, that makes no sense. It just sounds like you have sour grapes that you humiliated yourself for male attention in the past. Degrading yourself is supposed to feel horrible, it means the rational part of your brain is working. No one is "coerced" into taking nude pictures unless they're held at gunpoint. Teenagers are young women who have control over their behavior, certainly enough to not whore themselves out for male attention. I was irresponsible online as a child, and had online adult moid "friends" and did streaming with friends who made fun of how pathetic the old men were even at a young age, including when we were drinking, and yet none of us were ever lulled into camwhoring behavior. No one sent nudes to a male. I recall when the Amanda Todd shit happening who was more than half a decade older than us and being baffled by such a cluster fuck of spiralling behavior leading to a horrible death, no less a older young woman who should have known better. I was shocked how old she was considering how retarded the behavior was as a child. My friend walked out of class when discussing it in class because she argued it was idiotic behavior that doesn't reflect on all girls. The teacher grilled her, because thats what women do. You don't fit into the victimhood box you're classed as disrespectful. You don't send nudes you're not a perfect
victim and you can't speak on the behalf of those who do, who apparently reflect all women. As an adult I'm inclined to agree with my friend, I was on the fence as a child but I've only hardened on this as I've grown older and seen even more retarded internet behavior from other women infantalizing the actions of young women and now women in their twenties. It shocks me the people who use this site to discuss camwhores, and low impulse control pickmes often were or are them. I genuinely believe some people just have low inhibitions and impulse control. Males usually die, and murder suicide their wife and kids when this happens or are incarcerated. Women usually end up spiralling, have bpd or other horrific mental illnesses, are
victims of the low impulse control moid and/or either live in shame forever trying to hide their past or continue living with shame for the degrading shit they did in their past for male approval and this haunts them, or they outright kill themselves. It's baffling looking at it from the outside as an onlooker. Males are a y chromosome failure enigma but pickme women start young as children. You either break from this male centering behavior or it ruins you.
I think those women who feel discomfort with their bodies have it innately or for other good reasons, because of the misogynistic, male worshipping, pedo society we live in, how it sexualizes and degrades our bodies. Because we read about cases of FGM and serial murderers cutting womens breasts off, disemboweling them and raping them, not from shame one time because their nudes got leaked one time they wanted attention from a moidlet. One is a fair reason to be wary of men always and to be awake to the hatred of women, the other is just regret over partipating in the Madonna whore porn culture that moids and their pickme ilk uphold, or in other words pickmes never prosper.
No. 38673
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I am meant to be in this female body made to be penetrated. I am meant to cohabit with a man and be penetrated every week. I already don't have any friends and if I do she's going to leave and join a man and then I will have to join a man too. People only talk about relationships and sex humans don't talk about any fucking thing. Everything is about sex and sex is where I get penetrated. Sex is where I moan and make weird noises as I get penetrated. I am physically weaker than men so I can't do construction work and labour. I have ADHD and every single tard psychiatrist I've met diagnoses me with "much depression and anxiety" so I can't get a career. My one main trajectory in life is to get into a relationship so I can cohabit and get penetrated. And when women lament about this ugly reality of life they get mocked and dismissed by other women. I hate my hips and I'm glad I'm mid-looking for men to like but because I'm mid-looking the man I'm going to end up with is going to also be mid-looking. I hate this fucking existence so fucking much. When I look at another woman who's prettier than me I almost never care because I know that her beauty is to enhance her reproductive fitness ie increase her likelihood of being penetrated. I hate this. I hate this. I hate this.
No. 38675
>>38650Odd that you freak out at an opinion/wall of text on the internet. Its text on a screen, stop being so insecure about your degrading past. Whats hypocritical about my post? Please go on. I've never done anything degrading in my life and i'll stand by that. Ironically the discomfort of expected gender roles and hyper-sexual degradation of women in media scared me away from ever doing this. It doesn't seem it did the same for you.
>>38655If you're comfortable in sexually degrading roles enough to be manipulated by moids than how is that dysphoric? My point still stands unanswered. Its clear you're insecure though as much as you try to deny. Whats really weird is there's nothing really angry in my opinion, its something i've held about dysphoria for a while now, I just thought i'd share as it was a very poignant moment for me in realizing a discomfort in the world. I'm confused how it
triggered a brigade of blaming your own actions on moids somehow though. You're the reason women have dysphoria in the first place, degrading yourself as a woman is the status quo its not unusual and you aren't dysphoric if you're willing to do it at any point of life. Not all women do this and it
triggers repulsion in some women. I think that contributes to much of what dysphoria is.
No. 38677
>>38650I'll add that the whole "woe is me" women not owning up to their own choices and decisions gives me much discomfort too. Women are already infantalized in society and expected to be pumped and dumped with children and have no intellectual curiosity and worth beyond the fragile image of self esteem and a tard noble image of not fucking men as much as possible paradoxically in order to not be disgusting when they finally fuck men. How can so many women fall for this shit? its upsetting. Many women infantalize themselves and others like them and its incredibly disquieting. If you are disillusioned by this infantalization, calling actions their own choice someone like you immediately becomes obsessed with one upping the other woman and pointing out my own possible hypocrisies, like tu quoque. But that just won't work, its not an counter argument but even if it was, I don't have hypocrisy in my behavior since i've never sexually degraded myself for anyone period, man or woman.
Its all just about competition. You can't just say your uncomfortable by xyz and it is idiotic behavior that should be criticized because that's a call to compete with another woman somehow and besmirching their good name. We should be able to say when degrading behavior is disgusting and most importantly our own regardless of age. That was my point, thats why I shared my own memories from being that age, or we'll always end up chasing ghosts. Blaming your own behavior on a man or society, or another woman when it is your own. Its incredibly clownish.
I'm sick of this projection and I haven't seen much other women speak up about this but I know there are others like me. Its either you believe every idiotic thing a infantalized woman says and every action isn't her own; its some moid extortion or its retarded trad larpers and redpill incel moids who deny all violence and serious crime ever exists against women. There's never any nuance. Women won't own up to their own actions and motivations thereof and men will continually blame all women because we are all lumped together unfairly. Even on this site; a site for bullying mentally ill women (by other women no less) a anon like you suddenly gets hurt fee fees from not owning up to degrading themselves and their "nobility" being questioned and insults me by calling me a tranny. I just feel unease at some of the gendered behavior of women and this seems like the best place to discuss it. I don't have dysphoria, but even if i did what does that say about you? Becoming vulnerable about your own traumatic self-caused behavior and then trying to find trauma in another womans to attack? Clown shit, sociopathic. You deserve no sympathy. You presumably laugh at women on this website degrading themselves on a daily basis, why are you suddenly the exception?
No. 38692
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I think when i think about it, my personality would percieved as part of me rather than a flaw or an error if i was a man. I wouldnt get labeled as pick me, nlog, traitor etc. People would think im a cool or funny guy. Its cliche but it really feels like i born in the wrong body and its not even in a depressing way, more like its a logical consensus. Im already treated like a troon by people and dont fit into anywhere. I always wanted men to see me as a man because i had more common with them than women so i just wanted to feel belong to somewhere for once, but my body always felt like a barrier. Women have this serious gatekeepy socialization about them even though they do and say the vilest shit to each other most of the time. I feel empty, i feel like im just destined to be my shell. Wish i born in the body i belong. I really cant see myself as woman. It feels weird, something ive never been or even seen as one. I dont even look like one. But for some reason for having two fat sacks on my chest and a wound between my legs, i have to play this game or im a nazi. I dont really understand, seriously. It feels hypocritical. I wouldnt want to be an enby but i guess thats just what ill be rest of my life so i should just accept it. I think every pain in life comes from the sharp constrast between your desire to be your true self vs. malleability of your reality.
No. 38697
>>38683Not sure what you mean by this but resilience means you have a healthy mindset. Thoughts of trooning out means you have a lot to work on. You can create your own definition of womanhood that isn't dictated by men. Trying to emulate moids is
never going to work.
No. 38702
>>38697Im just dying to physically feel the sense of penetrating and dominating someone. I dont know or care about womanhood or gender beyond that.
Strength is a bonus.
A good jawline and a beard is a bonus.
Fuck. I just want to be a man. I bet my dick would be big too. It would also excuse my loneliness. Women arent supposed to be lonely and friendless.
No. 38704
>>38692I hate how women socialize.
Women socialize in pairs. Men socialize in groups. I cant socialize in a pair. The eye-contact is too uncomfortable. The facial expressions and body-language to perform are too extensive. I have to manipulate my voice. When men socialize they dont even look at eachother; they form a band and do retarded shit and try to one-up eachother. Women dont do that. I want to form a band and do retarded shit too.
No. 38712
>>38707Inserting my dick in them.
Things like BDSM and femdom just feel like platitudes to me.
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Im sick of being a masculine woman. I dont fit into anywhere and it makes me overwhelmongly suicidal. Im just a man stuck in a womans body. Im so sick of it. Men never see me as one of them because i have pussy. I grew up in a trad middle eastern family so i just tried my best to be a girl. But i cant anymore and it damages my soul. Im sick of everyone lying about the obvious to my face. How am i even go through life like this? Whats even point of keeping yourself alive when youll live in isolation for the rest of your life, cant talk to anybody because youre a masculine woman whos functionally isnt even one. Im tired, im tired of being a walking dead flesh. I just want to crawl into a hole and die in there
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>>38644<3
>>38612I relate to a lot of your experiences about being uncomfortable with the fact of being female and learning about it. I've dealt with amenorrhea for years and, in spite of its health complications, it makes me happy to think that I've "outsmarted" my own body. I do agree that these feelings are heavily influenced by our social contexts/the way we're perceived by others but so are, I believe, all insecurities or discomforts.
>>38647I'm really sorry about your experience nona.
My chest dysphoria is terrible as well and as been present since puberty. I also had a distinctive experience which, although definitely not as traumatic as yours, had a great impact on me. When I was around 8 or 9 years old two girls shoved me in a bathroom stall and forced me to take my shirt off and show them my chest, which they touched. I have trouble thinking of this experience as sexual assault because we were all so young and, for the most part, got along with each other. We never spoke about it, either. At the time I had some "dysphoric" feelings already but nothing extreme. I often look back and wonder what could've been if that hadn't happened. This was the first and last time anyone ever saw me even somewhat naked outside of medical contexts. The dread and dysphoria is too overwhelming to bear. I do rely on oversized clothing, weight loss and poor posture in order to hide muy chest in both private and public.
>>38692I think a lot of dysphoric people fall into this trap of believing their entire personality and character would be perfectly accepted by society had they been born as the opposite sex and, white understandable, I think it's a flawed and counterproductive outlook. I used to think like this until I heard Waffling Willow mention it on one of her detransition videos. She said that, upon reflection, if she had been born male she would've been deemed "inadequately" masculine, like she had been deemed insufficiently feminine in her childhood. It's easy to see maleness as an idyllic state because, for us, it's never there. It's a utopia.
No. 38760
>>38757Are you done with your stupid long post? Its not about how others perceive you, its about material reality.
>of believing their entire personality and character would be perfectly accepted by society had they been born as the opposite sex and, white understandable, I think it's a flawed and counterproductive outlookIm not some kind of confused feeble girl with tit trauma. Im masculine, i literally have a hormonal imbalance that made me look like i have acromegaly though not as extreme.
>She said that, upon reflection, if she had been born male she would've been deemed "inadequately" masculine, like she had been deemed insufficiently feminine in her childhoodKek no suprise shes a grifter. Feminine men are loved by women unlike masculine women whos no one gives a shit.
No. 38761
>>38734Did you cut yourself enough today?>>38735
You literally just proved my point but ok.
(infighting) No. 38763
>>38676Excellent counter to everything I said.
me: Don't whore yourself out, take accountability for your own actions.
you: you're a narcissist for not whoring yourself out and treating women as individuals who make their own decisions.
If you consider it vain to not whore out than I guess I'd rather be a narcissist under your logic for having dignity and self worth than whatever you're advocating for. I consider it narcissistic and self absorbed to claim you have body dysphoria when you're perfectly comfortable flashing your tits for male attention, even more so as a young woman because that mentality baked into you earlier than the average pickme.
No. 38775
New study just dropped, namely:
>Examining gender-specific mental health risks after gender-affirming surgery: a national database study>Results: From 107 583 patients, matched cohorts demonstrated that those undergoing surgery were at significantly higher risk for depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, and substance use disorders than those without surgery. Males with surgery showed a higher prevalence of depression (25.4% vs. 11.5%, RR 2.203, P < 0.0001) and anxiety (12.8% vs. 2.6%, RR 4.882, P < 0.0001). Females exhibited similar trends, with elevated depression (22.9% vs. 14.6%, RR 1.563, P < 0.0001) and anxiety (10.5% vs. 7 .1%, RR 1.478, P < 0.0001). Feminizing individuals demonstrated particularly high risk for depression (RR 1.783, P = 0.0298) and substance use disorders (RR 1.284, P < 0.0001).Tl;dr trooning out is even worse than repping.
Since Elbakyan (PBUH) hasn't posted it yet, I link the study for those interested.
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>>38760I'm not done with my stupid posts and clearly neither are you since you still keep coming back and posting.
>material realitythere's no "material reality" of the body beyond the social relations we establish around them. We're social animals. I also have a "hormonal imbalance" but that doesn't change much about my life because we engage with others based on socially established modes rather than "material reality," whatever that means. Your fake aggression doesn't make you any more masculine nor does it ground your suffering on more tangible, """"material"""" grounds.
No. 38806
>>38775>Feminizing individuals demonstrated particularly high risk for depression (RR 1.783, P = 0.0298) and substance use disorders (RR 1.284, P < 0.0001)Like clockwork.
Whos gonna give up a penis for a vagina unless youre
significantly retarded
Theres a reason most TIMs keep their dicks
No. 38812
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If it was us that say shit like this they would go on full twitter mode and call us "misogynystic, male worshipper gender traitor!!1!!" Feminine women privilige is a thing honestly, they can get away with shit by just playing "but but im a woman" card
No. 38821
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This woman has serious problems, like really.
No. 38825
>>38766>>38766Cringe
>>38808What is it with you TIF degenerates and flashing your fetishes everywhere.
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>>38843>>38846NTA, but you really need to seek help.
You hatred toward women is clearly pathological, I think you realize that too. It really worsens your life, nona.
The scientific literature is scarse on the topic, but it is still present.
The Transsexual Empire by Janice Raymond, p. 43.
https://doi.org/10.1007/s10964-022-01571-yhttps://doi.org/10.1080/0092623X.2023.2276149I'll repeat myself, seek help. If you fix your internalized misogyny you will be able to fix your self-esteem, the relationship with your mother and maybe even find the love of your life. I think you realise that changing your body won't fix your loneliness, and I'm not even sure it will change the fact that (I guess you are the same anon as
>>38692) the fact that men will always see you as a woman.
No. 38852
>>38851>Internalized misogny is bullshitSo you don't hate women and you don't hate the fact that you are a woman? C'mon. I bet you hate the idea of internalized misogyny because you consider it a feminist concept
>You feministsI'm not a feminist.
>Why its ok to be misandrist because men do vile shit but not misogynistic? It's not ok to be misadrist.
>I will be alone rest of my life either way. You don't need to.
>When i tell people im a woman they think im trans or ridicule me. NOBODY will ever see me as anything other than a third gender freak regardless, not just men. So yeah, trans rights will effect me even if i was cis. Means that i will never have a coherent identity and my suffering is life long.And this makes you suffer, obviously. So why not seek help? Coping by hating women doesn't help, you can see it clearly yourself. And I am not your psychologist, so I cannot help you approach what you are feeling right now in the right way.
>Also i post these in here to vent if anyone relates, sick of these "just seek help bro, read some feminist books" responses.I didn't mean to tell you to read feminist literature as a way to seek help. By "seek help" I meant to go and find a psychologist that will help you deal with gender discrimination and your hatred toward women.
You venting out here doesn't help. You come here every day. Needing to vent every single day is not okay.
You need a professional that will make you love yourself, not care about what other people think about you, not hate women, enjoy life more.
Isolating yourself and going on a gossip website to vent out every day doesn't work. Just accept that. You need someone to fix you.
You don't need to feel like shit every day.
Also, you don't need to justify to me why you feel so bad about women and yourself and the world around you. You need to go to an expert who will fix your worldview. You need it for yourself, nona.
Instead of venting, try posting a diary of what you did to find help. I bet this will help nonas more than what you did for the last 4 months, because this will give them a way to escape what they feel right now.
No. 38854
This is an interesting thread. I wouldn't describe my feelings as exactly 'dysphoric' but I noticed I get severe second-hand emabarassment from watching how the majority of women behave. The sweetened voices, deep participation in social life (or excessive extroversion), tone policing, quick adoption of trends, beauty rituals, constant assumption of inferior roles, mother worship, male coddling all seem very humiliating to me. Like an admission that you're too incompetent to make it on your own so you have to fall back on a group-oriented lifestyle.
I might label most of this under socialization but at this point I'm not sure. Even if it was socialization, it's not possible to be undone due to the role that women take up in reproduction, which is not optional. You cannot take on several taxing roles at the same time, so if women want to remain competitive with the other half of the population, we'd go extinct as that would imply they're not taking on motherhood. I see why so many women come across as retarded, it's part of the lifestyle that they chose. But I still wish that when people looked at me they didn't see a quintessential "woman", because the reputation this group has is the exact opposite of what I admire and respect.
No. 38859
>>38857>I dont come here everydayObviously, it was hyperbolic, nona.
Obviously, you are not the nona who keeps posting how women are muh submissive and then get her posts deleted after an hour or so.
It should have signaled you that even posting more than once is already bad, because you can fix the issues that cause your venting and you refuse to do it.
>therapist dick riderNona, first of all, if I tell you something, you listen to what I tell you instead of putting words in my mouth. I did not say I was a feminist, I did not say to go to a therapist. I told you to go to a psychologist. Not a fucking psychotherapist. We both know that a psychotherapist will just tell you to do what you are doing right now on lc, but for 100 bucks a month.
Anyway, if you want the easy route, then go get a clinical psychologist. If you want the hard route, which will give you better results (since your case is pretty rare), go see a research psychologist: you find them at your local uni; I bet a PhD student will be glad to do research on you. I hope your lazy ass has enough information to go and
fix your issues.
Secondly, bitch please, if I post scientific articles (one of which I uploaded since scihub hasn't uploaded it yet) it is impossible for me to be a therapist dick rider. I'm the dick you'll ride and will love to ride, 'cause it'll fix that retarded brain of yours.
Third, get a grip of yourself: don't act like those flat earthers that think they know better than people who studied your kind. No, I assure you that you are not that special and there are at least a dozen people like you on here and 4chan. Since you have zero fucking knowledge on what plagues you because you focus too much on crying yourself to sleep at night, 15 test subjects are enough to draw scientific conclusions.
>Your post was uselessYeah, it was useless to you, my dear attention-seeking nona. People who actually want to stop suffering look for a cure, instead of a girlfriend to trauma dump about your life-altering deep voice and strong bone structure.
I will stop taking the bait now unless there will be a good reason for me to help people with this condition.
I don't want there to be just doomposting on a thread for people with a higher risk for suicidality.
No. 38903
When i think about it. Women made to serve. Economics of sex is simple: men are the customers, women are the seller. Prostution is a thing to be proud for women. And think about all the things relates to it. If you are anti social, non serving, submissive, agressive, hysterical, if you think men should go through the same things they collectively did to women, youre simply non conforming. Because to be a woman is to be mediator. You will get lashed out by other women for being masculine and you will eventually end up alone and go insane. No woman will want to be around you because you hate prostutuion and you didnt want to have a vagina and you hate womanhood. You will always seen as male supremacist prude. Its just i dont know what counter argument retards like this anon
>>38859 has to this. They either gaslight us and say its internalized misogyny when they have the internalized misogyny (according to their ideology (female supremacy)), or just straight up shame us for being literally not wanting to obey to masochistic, serving, submissive diciplines of this gender. I cant cannot hate womanhood. Im caged by it. Its raping me. Even if i could eliminate my feminine parts i will still have no coherent sense of self, damage has already been made. Is it just my fate? Because i was a little girl who didnt wanted to show my tits to the world and get fucked by my hole? Well then ill be male supremacist because i think i rather to die than obey.
Im not bj chan so also No. 38904
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Samefag i cant digest it really.
No. 38943
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This thread is interesting.
No. 39036
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Wordsalad of a bunch of shit that has been floating in my brain lately:
I came to a point where most of the time I feel ok but at times the 'dysphoria' creeps up on me. I no longer have the desire to be a full on man, somehow I outgrew that and now males incite disgust in me, but I wish I was androgynous and masculine the way a 2D boy is. I sometimes catch myself fantasizing as being reffered to as "he", or having a girlfriend that jokingly calls me her husband.
Also the bulk of what was my dysphoria when I fully indentified as male consisted of a deep rooted and very subconcious internalized misogyny, which I worked out through the years, but man. Why did I have to be born of the weaker sex? It was a 50/50 split, yet I was thrown into the sex that is forced to fit into the female gender which I hate.
I hate gender so much, I hate how it's everywhere and straight people just fucking love it and shove it everythwere. Despite reading entire books about the topic and KNOWING it's not a thing I also have this subconscious belief that I'm male brained, mainly because of my very masculine 2D:4D ratio (yes, fucking stupid) and the fact that I have nothing in common with 99% of women, like in the way of thinking and processing things.
I love women so much, I love being around them, but I feel no type of connection with them, no community. I just don't feel or identify as a woman, which I know it's because I don't fit into society's idea of a woman should be but this type of disconnect can suck. I view myself as just a person of masculine presentation (and great sense of style).
I also want to microdose T for a while, my gym gainz will be insane and I'd like my voice to be alot huskier. I made peace with being female but I'd like making myself a little more masculine, for myself mostly.
No. 39082
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Whenever I get the chance I'm probably going to off myself. My gd is actually ruining my life. It's gonna be slowburn though, I'm still attached to conscience. Being female is torture if you have the wrong combination of hormones and genes. Especially traits that make you disgusted by certain aspects of the female role. Traits like lesbianism and autism. I don't want to be a male so trooning out wouldn't help. I crossdress and I'm tall, I don't care if someone mistakes me for a he because I still have a uterus. it makes me feel nothing. I just don't want to be conscience as a female in this world. I don't know what's wrong with me. I don't want to abandon my girlfriend but it's to the point where everything outside her company makes me viscerally distressed due to some dysphoria related reason. I hate it i hate it.
No. 39100
>>39098Why are
you here? Go get a dick shoved up you if you like it so much, thats what evolution made you for anyway
(infighting) No. 39116
I can't help but sometimes feel like being a woman is so humiliating. I hate female bodies, I hate my period, I hate the curves my body have, I hate my breasts. Some people like to say our bodies are wonderful because we can create life and we are like god. How's that supposed to make me feel better? I hate the way society has made being woman even worse by creating stupid standards or ideas. No, I don't want to look pretty for stupid people to enjoy it. I hate that people assume I'm not as good as men in my job. I hate that because I'm straight is expected from me to enjoy this stupid idea of being desired. It's so disgusting to know people have normalized the idea of seeing women as an object of desire. Even worse, when women embrace that stupid idea, it just makes me feel more alienated and even sometimes end up hating said women. I just want a body that's not uncomfortable, that's mine, not for a man to desire and jerk off, not for strangers to approve, not to be reduced to the role of an incubator. I want my body to exist for me to be able to do what I want, to exist as I am.
No. 39156
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>>39155Meant this picture I saw on Instagram. Womanhood is so fucking sick??
No. 39175
>>39066>Women dont have a sexuality. They are prudish by nature. Women only have sex to exchange things Wrong, the fact we can get pregnant from sex makes us act more cautiously
>They are passive by nature and i think thats the reason why men were the ones who made great discoveries, because they take risks. Women dont. Biology fucks us by making us weaker and capable of producing babies but patriarchy has restricted us from doing things. Many adventurous and intelligent women have been erased from history or forced to be brood mares. Not even given the opportunity. Especially when you get sold off at 14 to be impregnated. How much control over your situation do you have? It's such a disservice to all the women who never had a chance.
>Men usually kill each other for petty shit but not because theyre evil. Go to 4chan and tell how non evil scrotes are. Retardation.