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My brother is currently in the process of becoming a TIM, and I feel very powerless. It's been brewing for a long time, thanks to discord and reddit communities, and now he's going to start taking actual steps. However, he won't talk to me or his mother about it. He's touchy in general and shuts down over any difficult conversation. Sperg, intelligent but unmotivated, internet addicted, socially isolated and neglected growing up. It's almost hopeless seeing how much of a "perfect storm" it is for him to troon out, I don't really know how to address it.

>>6865
he's too far gone nonnie

>>6865
That's really really difficult, sorry nona. You sound like a caring sister but I'm not sure what you would be able to do, especially as he is touchy about the subject. Hope you get some better advice and support here.

>>6865
Maybe try to sit down w him and ask him what makes him think he is a woman? Then gently debunk every single one of his beliefs. Also, I know in the MTF thread people said to show pics of rot pockets and I think that should be an option as well. It does sound like he may be too far gone though, I hate this stupid gender cult and the incels who propagate it

I have a friend back in uni who I reconnected with before I peaked. Our last time chatting she mentioned starting to wear binders and right now it hurts to think about her future, the repercussions of binding your chest, shortness of breath and all.

Same with an online friend who started puberty blockers as a minor, I can see myself in her because she's porn addicted as I was. I find it hard to talk to her knowing the health risks associated to puberty blockers then T.

I keep justifying it to myself like it's as if you have a conservative religious friend whose religion requires them to smoke cigarettes and eventually contract lung cancer or something.

It feels off just watching a slow burn train crash and not being able to do anything about it without being outted as a terf.

My son.

I can't even type it out.

My former childhood best friend. She’s autistic and has always liked yaoi but now she’s a full on TIF complete with retarded political takes. She’s 5’4, very fat and not conventionally attractive and she really thinks she’s gonna become some sort of tall anime bishie when she gets top surgery or T. She still lives with her parents at 27 and has no life outside of anime bullshit, it’s just sad. I think if she’d left our hometown at some point and experienced life outside of her online sphere she might’ve turned out different, but alas you just can’t help some people. She’s also a virgin and ‘loves’ BDSM and shit like that kek. I hate knowing that if she just listened to me she’d probably be better off but she’s always been infuriatingly obstinate despite her complete lack of any sort of real life experience. On one hand I kinda want her to face some real consequences but obvs I don’t want her to have the side effects of t etc.

My friend claimed a nonbinary identity last year, and now is binding full time, recently legally changed her name to a 'gender-neutral' one, uses neutral grammatical gender (and in my native language you have to inflect verbs by gender every time you address someone in the second person, so if you talk to her with feminine verbs she gets offended), all she talks about now is how victimized she feels by being 'misgendered'. She said that she tearfully came out to her mother during family dinner and her mom just said 'okay, do you want any more potatoes' in response kek

At the same time she says she's a lesbian and loves pussy. She's in her mid twenties, has never been in a relationship with anyone and is a virgin. Before the trooning she claimed various mental illness diagnoses, from severe intractable treatment-resistant depression that can only be cured by an experimental brain implant to schizoid personality disorder.
I could put up with the cringy self-diagnosing but the enby identity is getting on my nerves.

>>6873
I’m so sorry

A very good friend of mine from highschool is going back and forth on whether he is trans or not. He is just gender nonconforming, which has always made him an interesting person, but he moved to Portland and is surrounded by people who encourage transition. I'm struggling with accpeting it.

My little sister (seven years younger) claims to be dysphoric and is even seeing a therapist specialized in that kind of issues, a former (hsts) classmate saw the same therapist so I guess he/she is pro-transition.
My parents had a difficult divorce three years ago and she started to identify as non binary around six months in.
I am a CSA victim (that played a huge role in the divorce because my mother always tried to hide it from my dad) and developed an ED and dysphoria right after, among other coping mechanisms (my unhealthy love for that kind of military history), and I think my sister is trying to copy me, I don't think I am paranoid or something because she used to roleplay as me on children's games and later on more adult websites, she even took compromising pictures of me to share to the people she talked to, she was around 11-13 and she's now 18. I had to tell her online boyfriends (that were my age) the person they were talking to was in fact a middle schooler and that they should fuck off and never contact her again.

One of my friends wants to get a penis and troon out and the like and I want to tell her it's because of her trauma (she was severely sexually abused as a child to the point where she can't remember half of it due to dissociation shit) but I'll obviously lose her, she's been a great friend to me for years and it would really sting if she left. Sigh.

One of my close girl friends says she's "enby" for cutting her hair short, growing armpit hair and feeling good in loose clothes in contrast of over sexualized dresses
I am so sad.

Found out my tif acquaintance wasn't tif because she has internalized homophobia but that she's just another straight woman who consumed too much fucked up bl porn.

My oldest friend said to me in a FaceTime months ago that “once she sorts out her mental health” she’s going to transition. She knows my TERF status so was definitely expecting a reaction from me, but I said nothing. I definitely couldn’t fake it and say “go for it”, or “I support you”. I didn’t want her to completely cut me off and get angry if I said that she shouldn’t do it. The only thing that felt right was to say nothing. We hardly speak now. She was my rock when I was 12 and terminally online with no friends. I always looked up to her in a big sister way and growing up together, seeing her mental health decline, has been really difficult. She’s had a lot of trauma with men, lots of family drama and she told me she got into bad crowds and started doing hard drugs. She was on drugs the night she told me she wanted to transition, I could tell. I think she was on molly, which she used to be addicted to. She also told me that she’s going to get her breasts cut off and her insurance will pay for it. I just hate how this cult devours people already struggling with mental health issues and addictions. All I can do is hope she doesn’t go through with it. I’m scared to tell her how I really feel because sometimes it makes the person entrapped in the cult double down in stubbornness, and if I get cut off from them I’ll be powerless to do anything anyway.

>>6986
If you care, try to save her by telling her it's a bad idea. She might get mad and never talk to you again, but if you don't you lose her to the trans cult anyway.

>>6900
Ask her why not following sexist stereotypes makes her less female, or even not female at all. And why she thinks being less/not a female is better.

I lost my best weeb friend almost a decade ago to transitioning. Even after she transitioned, we still hung out, but soon everything we used to do together was too "feminine" for her. Even though ironically enough I was more masc than her. Actually ruined being a weeb for me. I know it's retarded to still be upset about this almost a decade later, but I've never come across someone irl again who was the same level of nerdy and weeb. Her family also always made me feel really welcome.
Now my ex gf has started transitioning too, even legally changed her name and didn't even tell me (we were still friends), because she knows I have terfy opinions.
I still have some cool acquaintances (they're not friend-level close to me imo) and one great friend, but she lives really far away and it sucks to just have nobody else left near me.

>>6986
Maybe you could try relating to her concerns, usually TIFs have issues with internalized sexism. If she suggests that maybe you are trans too, you could the use that as an opportunity to explain that those discomforts are a universal female experience, not a male one.

>>6865
No father?

'Lost' a previous radfem friend I had because her niece decided to start HRT. In the early days of the news she mentioned that it was going to be tough but in the interest of being a supportive auntie and family member she'd keep her objections to herself and just be there for the girl.
A year on the kid is more of a shit than ever, my friend is on the trans ideology train and I don't know what spurred her on or what it would take to get her off again. It's frustrating as she was the only openly loud and proud radfem I had ever known but I guess in the interest of her own sanity she had to succumb to the hivemind brain? To top it all off she's a tenured science educator who previously used her knowledge to back her own points up but these days doesn't want to hear a bar of anything that would threaten her current worldview and it fucking sucks

I lost my bestie about two years ago to trans ideology. We were both terf-y, myself detrans. I could type paragraphs but I'll spare the ramble. It has been rough to grieve, even today. I feel mad, hurt, betrayed, worried, sad, concerned, lonely. I feel ill as I watch those around us support her, I tried so hard to help her and ended up discarded in the most hateful way. I lost my entire friend group as she waited months to tell me her new name/pronouns after everyone else already knew- effectively making me out to be misgendering her the entire time. I was told my history meant I was stupid and didn't know my own gender. I had kept my phone on my side 24/7 for her, I fed her, I gave her good chunks of my income to support her, drove her, cleaned for her, helped her with her hobbies and was told I was never there for her. I know she was manipulating me now but it still hurts, I tried so hard to help her. She has gotten worse & struggled more since, I fear for her. Even with all the hurt she caused I hate to see her heading down what is such a doomed future at the pace she is. I've spent many days, therapy sessions, grieving her and our friendship but I don't think I'll ever get over it. I can never speak to her again but man do I have a lot I would say. I haven't seen her in person since but I know one day it'll happen. I don't think I'm ready to see what she's done to herself. We were so close and friends for years… I wonder what she thinks of all this.

>>7233
Are you a moid? Only males think the father is the most important figure in a child's life and can determine its whole future.
The majority of fathers are completely uninvolved in the child's life they don't even know basic info about them like who is their doctor or what their grade is. If anything fathers ruin children because they often molest them and beat them. Males are completely worthless parasitic beings and everyone is better off without them in their lives.

my baby sister. but she's coming back around slowly I think. I will never forgive my parents for comparing us growing up. I'm much older than her (9 years), and they would use me as a model for her to mimic which was just inhumane. I wasn't aware of the extent since I went to college already when she was only 9 years old. She also dealt with body image issues, and was a little chubby in her middle school years. She started dying her hair in high school and I noticed "they/them" in her instagram bio last year.

I took her out on a girl's vaca/trip not too long ago to just talk these things out without attacking her or anything, but after really thinking about what my parents did to her, I can see why she fell into the troon movement because she essentially was made to think she "failed" at being a girl. She rationalized that she can't beI know a lot of people are going to get mad at me for saying this, since it does funnel back into male centered beauty standards, but I did take her out to get her hair/makeup done just to make her feel a bit better. It doesn't get to the root of the problem, but sometimes interim solutions are helpful. She was beaming, she felt so cute. I've been checking her instagram and I noticed the pronouns are gone so I'm going to say it's a step in the right direction. But she also wasn't very responsive when I asked questions like "how do you not feel like a girl? what does feeling like a girl feel like?"

I want her to be in my life for a long time, but i can't bare to imagine if she transitions.

>>6882
I have been noticing that so many of the girls that got into this movement are youngest children or at least the youngest daughter. Something to really think about. Talk to her, as it awkward as it is, it's never too late. I wish you luck.

>>6864
I lost two middle school BFFs who became TIFs (FTM and NB). The FTM one is way deeper into transition, she began using male name and I don’t know if she changed it legally but last time I looked her up, she even uses a different male name than when I knew her.
The second one probably doesn’t post much about being a TIF anymore and she got some normie boyfriend but became very irritating anyway. Even though they were both important to me, I finally realized parting with them was better for me.

There’s some distant family member, a girl whom I never met. She’s a teenager and I knew her family lived in Ireland, can’t remember if they’re still are there. I heard from someone else she’s becoming a TIF and wants mastectomy.

>>6900
Let her know that most women do this and it doesnt make them any less of a woman…

>>6873
Please talk to him. The most you can do as a mother is try your best, but do not blame yourself. Outside influences are really bad, but i believe in you. Your words and understanding will mean a lot. Listen to him and try to determine where the source is coming from. He's most likely gay but scared to come out.

>>7398
Thanks anon but he won't speak to me anymore. Him being gay was never a secret or even a problem. I asked him to explain so I could understand, but he was so patronising and aggressive, talking down to me like I didn't know anything about being a woman. His personality changed for the worst so suddenly. After that his hostility got worse and worse and he left one day simply because of a trivial argument about unrelated things. His school counsellor got him a social worker and a place to live with other teenagers and said that privacy laws mean I have no right to know where he is. I can't even tell anyone for the shame of it so every time they ask after him I make something up.

I can only hope that he doesn't go any further. I probably should just stop reading about this stuff because there's not anything I can do anymore and imagining the worst isn't helpful. I knew I was mediocre as a parent but I never imagined I'd fail this badly. I was too young and everything was left up to me and I choked.

someone i knew from high school.
He was a miserable, ugly, smelly and just an outright awful and mentally unwell individual before he trooned out, and to the surprise of nobody all of those traits have magnified tenfold, except now he's become a sexual predator and he's tried to assault me more than once.

it'd gotten to the point where i couldn't see my high school friends until i came out about it. I genuinely didn't feel safe being in the same space as him.

I have a few troons in my main friend group now, they're mostly harmless but my GOD they have absolutely no sense as to when to shut the fuck up. The constant barrage of oversharing and """deep""" conversations in the group chat is annoying. They're vulgar and really over-political and just hard to talk to.

I am so fucking sick of hearing them reducing their view of "womanhood" to high heels, makeup and degenerate fetishes. I am so sick of going to parties and seeing ugly men in shit makeup prance around and act like anime girls. I am so, so fucking sick of it.

I am sick of being around pornsick people who make their personality what they jerk off to. I'm sick of the LARPing, all of it. it's stomach churning.

>>6873
A lot of men troon out due to a lack of masculine father figures or hating women (heard both these points from experience of knowing these sorts of people) do your best to be present, please spend time with him and help him have more childhood memories, go hiking, fishing, go to the arcade, play games together etc etc

>>6873
Its coming from a source online (games, discord, online chats etc) or at school. Ban him from the internet for a while or change schools. Sounds drastic but if you want to save your son then that is all you can do.

>>7640
Stop being around these people. Simple solution.
There are women out there who are normal and have normal friendship groups, stop pushing yourself to do this because of nostalgia.

>>6873
Such is the life of a boymom. What will you do when the inevitable rape accusation comes up?

My childhood friend and first girlfriend, and I feel responsible because I introduced her to the LGBT sphere when we were 11, both "in love" with each other but haven't yet realised. It was just a childish crush. I was the first one who fully outed myself as a lesbian and she soon followed, then she asked me out and we were girlfriends for a few years. Then puberty hit and she got really into all the gender bullshit. She broke up with me because she started really considering transition as she told me years later, but it was probably also because I never truly treated her like a girlfriend, more like a friend because I was too shy to show affection. I reached out to her recently, asked how she's doing now. And suprise suprise, she's fully trans. I shouldn't feel guilty, but I believe that if I hadn't exposed her to the gay gender cult when we were kids she might've never even considered transitioning.
My second girlfriend turned tranny was my highschool best friend for two years, and my reason for peaking. So I guess I should thank her, in a way. She mentally deteriorated because of her poor family situation. A really crazy bpd type, twitterfag with self diagnosed adhd and autism. She is trans/nonbinary now. On twitter asks people to refer to her in angel/angelself pronouns and talks about autismgender(?). Me and my friend cut all contact with her. She's a druggie art student now.

women in my nerdy internet hobby aren't exactly trooning out but they are guzzling the gendie kool-aid; the avalanche slide from she/her to she/they to "any pronouns! uwu!" or like… she/he is something is frustrating to watch. i know that doesn't mean they're trans and i'm fairly certain it's to be trendy and fit in with their friends but god it pisses me off so bad. especially when they're called a woman & they go "ummm i'm not a woman though tehe? i'm she/he look at my pronoun roles"

A girl I went to college with trooned out about 7 years ago. She was always out as a lesbian, and I might've been guilty to gaybaiting her sometimes when I drank too much, but I don't know, I guess I got flirty with anyone who would allow me. This was ten years ago and I was younger. Anyway, she was always so sweet and shy and could take a good joke and be silly when needed. I didn't know her super well, I can only recall as many times on one hand hanging out together, but I guess she felt close enough to me to tell me she was molested when she was younger. I had never had anyone admit anything like that to me so I just felt so bad for her. She ended up moving away across the country, I still had her as a Facebook friend and then I saw her start heading down the pipeline. About three years later she came back to town for an anime convention and she visited me at my booth. She seemed like a completely different person, so loud and annoying. I'd never seen her like that before. She seemed like she couldn't even keep up with a normal conversation, she was just blasting words into the air. It was really strange, because she used to be so much more reserved. I initially wrote it off as maybe she gained some confidence, but now, years later I think she's just going full speed ahead in her own delusions. It's been around 7 years since she started transitioning, she cut off her boobs, her hair is gone and she has the worst pubey sliver of manbeard I've ever seen. I haven't really spoken to her deeply in years but she just used to be so cute and kind and I'm just so sad seeing what she's become.

I used to have a close guy friend growing up that was always a bit insecure because he was short and skinny, but despite that always seemed pretty secure in his identity. A pretty much standard, typical dude. Once he entered university he started to get increasingly pretentious, writing long texts on facebook about how we as society should be more accepting towards each other etc, light mode virtue signaling. Shit you knew he didn't 100% believe in when you talked to him irl. When we were around 25 he started cosplaying and soon after he started hanging out with a group of gender specials which got his pretentious ass in overdrive and each of his outbursts online were more performative woke than the other with comments full of genderspecials agreeing with him to so even questioning his weird rhetorics would end up getting you dog piled by his retarded fans. One day he suddenly drops he's a "demi girl" and a year later he troons out. All of us that knew him for years were in complete disbelief because it was so out of character for him despite his woke online persona. I finally deleted him off all my friend lists when he made a post on international women's day about how it is a privilege for us to have periods.

Sage because so far she's not actually trooning out (thank god), it's more so that I'm losing her to the tra social contagion.

My best friend came out recently, which I don't have an issue with at all, even though I think she chose a label that sounds a little extra kweer. The problem is she's in a situationship with an enby and is drinking all the TQ+ kool-aid. You can clearly see that this girl she's hanging around is influencing her views. It's getting in the way of spending time with her because now she's always bringing up pronouns. When we have conversations, she'll stop to correct herself when saying "women" and clunkily replace it with crappy jargon like "feminine-presenting" or "identifies as female". I can't help but wonder if the themby she's sleeping with chastised her for not using inclusive enough language before because you almost get the sense she's walking on eggshells around the topic of gender. She's also done a few things that are really out of character for her. Naturally, I have worries she's going through a self-destructive, rebellious phase and losing her sense of self or something. My worst fear is she'll try to change her gender identity and ultimately seek medical transition.

I don't think I'll ever tell her I'm a terf unless she eventually peaks on her own. I don't even want to chance risking our friendship, it's just not worth it. Sadly, I can already feel us drifting apart all the same. She's changed so much I hardly recognize her. I can't even imagine how everyone else on this thread feels. Any tips? I'm open to suggestions.

>>9532
Try telling her she doesn't have to censor herself around you (or normal people) and that the word "woman" isn't a bad word to be avoided.

>>9619
Thanks for reading and responding. That's a good suggestion. I'm hoping it will get the ball moving in the right direction because I don't have the patience to listen to convos consisting of "I think that person identifies as nonbinary now actually".

>>6887
That's sad to hear. I think I've read something like ~80% of TiFs are SA survivors and a large portion of that is CSA survivors. I wish there was a way to get these women the proper therapy to help them.

My brother in law. He dropped out of college and lives with his parents. My husband is 6 years older than him and never really had a close relationship. When we got married he was estranged from his family and I urged him to reconnect. When he did we found out his brother was in the midst of transitioning. His brother just seems really autistic. He is mute by choice and just stays in his room. His mother fell for the woowoo and constantly talks to us about it as if trying to convince herself it's ok he is like this. I recently found out he had a traumatic brain injury as a baby, so that might be why.

I miss my ex boyfriend who trooned out. It’s entirely nostalgia but there was a period where we were so happy and I miss that. It hurts knowing that I’ll never be able to just talk to him normally again and hang out and have laughs because he’s so deep in the troon cult

A friend recently came out as enby in the most condescending way possible - dropping into our friend group chat, where everyone else is a woman and not in denial about it, and saying that cis women were boring vapid normies and she’s too interesting to be one. We’re all in our 30s and I can’t believe she didn’t grow out of the NLOG phase a couple decades ago.

>>11999
most straight men who troon out do so because of porn addictions. its really telling that you would be more okay if youre ex kept his degeneracy hidden instead of showing it. He was still the same person before trooning out.

>Girl I knew in high school wanted to be an animator; her art kind of sucked but she drew lots and seeked out critique/advice
>Starts hanging out in furry communities for commissions in her early 20s
>Suddenly becomes a 'he/they nonbinary pansexual.'
>Her already subpar art stagnates even further as she turns into a thin-skinned narc who stops accepting critique of any kind
>Abandons whatever career/life plans she had to draw furry porn while constantly bitching about having to work shitty minimum wage jobs
>Marries another fatass fakeboi to pretend live out their yaoi gayboi fantasies
>Said wife(also a furry) is a twitter edgelord with equally shitty art
>Constantly e-begs online 'PAY OUR RENT' 'BUY US PIZZA' etc.
>Never finish commissions on time because 'muh mental health' then wonder why nobody wants to commission her.
>In her 30s now with no signs of growing up or improving her life

It's amazing how she fucked up her life buying into this furry fakeboi shit. Sad because she used to be a nice, cool person before. It really is a social contagion.

>>12003
Yikes. Usually they just imply it, instead of outright saying it

>>12025
She outright said it and told us we were lame for not having interesting genders, kek, and then she got mad and said she was kidding and she needed our support when nobody responded and another friend politely changed the subject. We've been through a lot together and I don't think I'll ever stop being her friend, but she's always been pretty volatile and struggled a lot with mental health.

>>11999
this happened to me too. i feel for you. i'll never forget the first time it came up. we were literally having phone sex and he usually liked being a bit on the submissive side. suddenly stopped and asked "anon… am i trans?". my stomach genuinely dropped

>>12033
I would have given her a piece of my mind about her backwards dumbass sexist internalized misogyny.You can't start shit and expect to be coddled lmao
Or I would troll her by having literally everyone else in the group copy her and come out as an obnoxious enby at the same time, copying her words and mannerisms to the best of your abilities kek it would be so funny

>>6864
My best friend from high school got a trans girlfriend and then trooned out himself. Would NOT have seen it coming. When I talked to him he sounded severely severely depressed. He never used to be even close to that depressed. Now instead of just smoking pot he takes fentanyl. Any day now he'll overdose. There's no way we could talk about it though. He's in a different world from mine now. We drifted apart a long time ago. It's just really saddening because I really don't want him to overdose but I know he wouldn't listen to me.

I think my ex-best friend’s boyfriend is going to troon out. Our friendship fizzled out because I was in love with her and she was kind of open to it, but it had to include the moid. I tried, but I was just sort of repulsed by him and my attraction to her didn’t supersede that. She did me a little dirty and we’re not in each other’s lives anymore, but we still have each other on social media and I still care about her.

I think he’s going to troon because:

1) he already goes by they/them, and wants his parents to seriously respect his ~non-binary identity~ even though he’s almost 30

2) thinks he’s not unmistakably male despite being 6’5” and 250+ pounds

3) he’s really sensitive and he doesn’t get along with other men easily, which is the biggest reason I think he’s going to troon. He’s autistic, and there’s just some sort of disconnect with him and other males and he prefers to hang out with women. When we’ve been drunk together he used to talk about that he’s been jealous of female friendships and his girlfriend is definitely a girl’s girl.

Ironically, he used to bully a socially awkward girl, who didn’t have her own close female friendships, he was roommates with lmao.

4) he just quit his job that was a 100% male staff (where he hired a troon and thought that was diversity) because the guys wouldn’t respect his authority. It was a really good job in a niche creative field and now he’s unemployed.

5) he’s susceptible to social contagion and now he’s posting artwork he’s drawn of men in high heels

Will report back if he actually troons out. On one hand I’ll feel bad for ex-best friend, but on the other hand, I hope it gives her the kick in the ass to get out of this co-dependent relationship that’s holding her back

Years ago I went out with a guy who recently came out as trans on social media. He's a hairy 6' tall dude and chose a name very obviously shared with an important female historical figure. He was also an alcoholic comedy bro who got let go for sexually harassing a woman at work. Now he has gynecomastia and an anime pfp. I peak every time I remember my own dating history and sometimes I wish I could go back in time and cuff myself.

I go on a hiatus for like a year and an old friend of mine I met through tumblr just suddenly trooned out. He was a GNC bi male. I honestly should have seen it coming due to his obsession with yuri/lesbian shipping. Now this mf has just decided he is a woman. I have been trying to pinpoint when he decided to troon out, but something tells me another troon groomed him in a separate discord server. Now he calls himself a thot and some other dumb shit.

>>13903
Ugh it’s impossible to avoid on that platform. I lost my favorite tumblr mutual bc I think he’s trooning out too and somehow discovered I’m crypto. Another who never posted about being trans in the past suddenly started to so I have to be careful how I post. Ik i shouldn’t care but I kind of consider them my friends and it’s a little sad to lose them.

my major friend group had a troon out happened last month and now invited one of their “friends” into our discord and is clearly trying to hook them up with another person in my friend group and it obvious that he’s not interested but they’re being so desperate it’s not even funny. I don’t know how long before drama about someone being transphobic arises and kills this group. It’s a shame since I’ve been with them for years and this is how it’ll die

Old classmate of mine. I went to a pretty nutty Christian high school growing up. He was the bible class darling. He went to a christian university, majored in greek and theology, got married and had a kid while in uni, was a youth pastor - basically lived a typical southern white christian life. But then on social media.. you could tell he was slowly physically changing, i knew it was coming. Then he announced his divorce and that he's trans and been trooning out since.
Crazy part is that I used debate/argue this moid in high school on woman's rights, abortion, feminism, etc and I was labeled the evil securalist. Now he's a "proud mom" and typical edgy atheist feminist tranny now trying to live out all the feminime things he "missed out" on as a teen. No idea why he trooned out, lived THE most normie life, unless the extreme religious shit messed with his head.

Haven't been in touch with a friend from high school for probably 7 years since he moved to another school. He's a tall skinny average nerd-looking guy with glasses and short wavy hair. We were both shy introverts but we got along fine and became friends after sharing similar interests like drawing, video games, cartoons, memes, etc. Grew a crush on him over a year and slipped a confession note into his bag but later rejects me during our game in a Pokemon battle. We were still friends after that though it was pretty akward thinking about it. The first signs I've seen him with this troon ideology was when he made an approval of "Mettaton being trans" and saw his Mii with bedroom eyes and eyelashes on the 3DS friends list. Can't say for sure, but he might've trooned himself out since I followed his Tumblr blog ever since I shared mines back in high school and saw "she/them" pronouns on his description and reblogs trans/gendie bs. I was surprised that he also reblogs anime stuff and Guilty Gear knowing that he has no interest in them from what I remebered and he's not even a coomer either. Looking back, I think that my confession might've pushed him further into this troon ideology.

>>14187
why would a confession of attraction toward him make him leap into being trans?

>>14193
Don't know but it could be a possibility since he shows no romantic interest and might be uncomfortable with it. I know he was already on the troon ideology but he never spoke up about it. Forgot to mention that the school we went to is an art focus high school so there's already people who are lesbian/gay/bi and maybe other gender specials.

A (now ex) friend of mine trooned out a few months after I confessed to being a GC (precisely because he seemed normie enough to not "cancel" me) and now he blocked me from all social media.
So sad that he doesn't know that I'm rooting for him, I hope so much that he castrate himself, get the rotten troongina and the blood clots he deserves.

>>13969
nonas here make the mistake of thinking that agp is something you develop from watching too much porn, which is why you end up confused as to why normies who have it all transition. The truth is agp can happen to any type of male, and they usually have it from a very young age. Basically if a male thinks the idea of having a vagina and breasts is intensely sexually arousing, even if they only develop this fetish later, they are very likely to develop dysphoria and want to get the chop. Your classmate likely fantasized about being sissy feminized behind closed doors for years.

A normal looking guy I followed on Tumblr suddenly came out as trans and had a vtuber avatar with enormous boobs. He used to use a female name for some of his works so I wasn't too surprised. But it's always a shock to find out some guy you thought was normal had intense sexual fantasies of becoming a woman and having giant tits.

If you want to learn more about agp and spot the warning signs, I really recommend 'Men trapped in men's bodies' by Anne Lawrence, self-confessed agp. It's the master tome on agp and transbians. Thanks to it I've got a prediction pool going on on when one of my friends will go the way of the catears. picrel

>>14322
The part that confuses me about AGP is why they want their fetish to be public and be their whole identity

Like, regardless of how they got the fetish for becoming a woman with giant boobs, why do they decide that the world needs to know about it? What compels them to roleplay their fetish at their boring office job?

>>14323
Ntayrt, but it feels addictively good. Many are also unable to have sex or orgasm without AGP fantasies, so they develop gender dysphoria along with the fetish. Men do all kinds of disgustingly obsessed shit for their fetishes, like pedophiles becoming teachers or pastors to easily abuse children. This is along the same lines.

AGP men also are unconscious of, deny, and/or delude themselves into thinking it's not sexual and that they're really a woman inside (this is mentioned in The Man Who Would Be Queen). The current state of the trans movement calling AGP and Blanchard's work bigoted enables the latter. Michael Bailey faced so much shit from TRAs for his work.

>>14323
the validation from people is part of the fetish itself i think. it makes the "experience" more realistic. also real women are women 24/7 and not only when they dress up in their bedroom so they want to be a woman 24/7, too. it's like method acting

I think it's a good thing that moids are ruining their own lives by trooning out. It's a shame that all these poor girls are so susceptible to the dogma, though.

I was uninvited to my (ex) best friends birthday party because I expressed feeling uncomfortable having an all girlfriends sleepover and she invited her TIM friend. She went off on me saying that I’m a shitty person for being a transphobe and that she doesn’t understand why I feel uncomfortable when they haven’t done anything to me. She says I’m have bias against troons for no reason, then she blocked my number. She’s telling a bunch of mutual friends that I’m hateful & that she “would think twice about being friends with a transphobe” it’s been about two months since she got close to him and being an ally is now her entire personality. Her social media posts are now mostly virtue signaling and photos of them together.

>>14847
I'm sorry that happened to you… To be honest, if she lashed out at you in such way when you were supposed to be best friends and she is also going around shittalking you to other friends, you may have avoided a bullet right there. Even if she doesn't support radfem/gender critical views, a true friend that appreciates you would have tried to understand you or reach a common ground.
Again, I'm sorry that happened to you. Hope her shittalking doesn't affect your social life too much and your other friends have half a brain to understand that not everyone must have the same ideologies/views in order to hang out and be friends.

>>14851
I’ve received some nasty messages from the TIM & people I thought were my friends. I started a local feminist alliance in my town and now people are turning against me because I won’t support the troonism. At least I have a few real women on my side but it seems like things will just get worse.

>>14854
Hang in there! Nurture the relationships you have with those women, those are the ones that matter! Eventually, I hope things die down and everyone forgets about happened. Or better, they realize TIMs are gross and predatory and reach trans peak, kek. Sending you good vibes, sister…

>>14847
Ew that's so gross of her. Hope you were able to tell your mutual friends that you were simply uncomfortable so she isn't spreading lies about what you actually said like the typically do.

Do you know the troons social media accounts? You could check for degeneracy content in accounts they follow or posts they've liked as "proof" to why you were uncomfortable in the first place. It's likely he has secret accounts for it, but he may have slipped up and follow degenerate troon friends who aren't so careful and you can find more from there. Kind of like how we know Lia Thomas has a wall full of degenerate sex toys and saved his cut off balls in a jar because his also TIM boyfriend posted pics of it.

>>14854
Even though it's retarded people are scared of the word "feminist" so you might do better if you use other words or have a more specific goal (helping victims of domestic violence, victims of the gender cult, sexism).

Ok so I feel I just lost one of my friends, almost literally.
Let me explain: we are a group of friends, who all live in the countryside in small nation in europe (this will come back in a minute), we all came together because we used to go in the same highschool and we were all weird, videogames, anime and such. We've been all friends since the first year of highschool, so since we were around 14-15. We grew up together, we did a lot of things together and we shared a lot of ideas and hobbies. This friend in particular, let's call him Kyle, never and believe me, never showed dysphoria nor he was even interested in this shit. He wasn't the most masculine looking guy but our group is almost all made of gnc men (we range from men wearing classic goth and makeup to more catwalk fashionista ones) and gnc girls, as well other "normal" people. This thing to us was never a problem and was never a matter of gender brainrot and Kyle wasn't even the most gnc, he barely had grew his hair past the shoulders.
Covid came and I sniffed somethig but Kyle was the type to have "phases" so I let him go. He had his dj phase, his digital artist phase, his cosplayer phase…whatever. He started getting interested in makeup, sure no problem, as I said we have men who wear makeup because they like it or to hide some skin discoloration, it's fine. The pandemic kept us away for 3-4 months, locking us in our home. Kyle was the only neet among us, so he didn't have anything to do, but he started getting more nervous in the group chat…okay? We let him go, we were all nervous and unsure about what to do. By the time we finish our education, we got a job and I went out of the country for some months and my other friends were either busy with work, moving out, high education grade and such, Kyle stayed home.
I came back, Kyle starts telling me he doesn't feel right. What do you mean, I ask. I don't like my body, he replies. Keep in mind, he never expressed such discomfort and he's 25 by now. I was born in the wrong body, blablabla. Whatever Kyle, get urself a psychologist, since in our country gender shit didn't arrive (yet) we thought that was something in the same pool as eating disorders, because our country doesn't have the gendie education nor gender is important here, it was always something like "be yourself, never hurt anyone, mind your business". Nope, it's gender. He wants to wear makeup and womens clothing and don't feel weird about having a male body. Ok? I mean, weird? Why are you doing this? Next to you we have our friend Nate who gets mistaken as a girl regularly because he has soft features and wears goth attire and he doesn't care about that, he's still male.
"Nono, I want to change, I want to be a woman because I always felt weird as a man."
Sounds sudden but ok. We believed this was another phase. Until this phase was getting longer and longer. He started to control our speech and mannerism and he wanted us to consider his "triggers". I feel like I'm writing some super stereotypical novel but I'm not shitting you and this has become a surprise for a lot of us. I started getting informed online, about all of this gender shit and my heart sank but what can I do? Talk to the others who already expressed support and potentially cut them off of my life because they will call me a bigot just because I feel that getting a life changing treatment is dangerous? And that condoning circlejerk mentality is bad? In all of these years, we had our fights, our cries, our help needs, we always supported each other but also called out each other if things were wrong (I remember calling out one of my friends who started to do drugs due to the loss of his mother, we helped him getting back on his feet) but everyone started to almost ass kissing Kyle…weird?
I go back to do another period working outside the country, I fly and I fly back, Kyle gets a remote job for a banking company, I think that would distract him from this shit, nope. On my last fly back, we all decide to go out for dinner and…who's this guy…?
Kyle grew out his hair (he stopped posting selfie in the group chat) and started wearing skirts and heavy make up. His expression changed, his eyes look tired and dead. Okay ahah what do I do now?
He goes by she/her now.
The night goes smoothly, until one of us says "retard" and Kyle goes "don't say that, it's offensive."
"Kyle, what's wrong with you? You know there's a difference in between me calling myself a retard and me going around kicking actual retards(for examples downies)?"
"I don't like that word."
"You've been saying this since the last month."
"I know but then I realized it was bad."
At almost 30 you realize that that's a bad word?? No shit?
I remember Kyle throwing a hissy fit last night, telling us we don't support him (not true) that we don't respect him and his triggers (apparently somebody called him a retard in middle school), and we give him bad looks just because he dresses like a woman but we don't look at Nate at the same way despite Nate wearing women clothes. I think he's a retard because he doesn't realize that Nate has always been gnc but most importantly we don't walk on eggshells around him, Nate doesn't fucking care if we call him a retard or a "he". Nate and Kyle got into a fight, were Kyle calls Nate a larper faggot (despite him being in a relationship with a woman for years by now) and the group "breaks" because no one can't stand anymore Kyle's fits.
Kyle now has new friends, all in the lgb+t spectrum and I believe he 's smearing us online (we've seen receipts).
And I'm devastated. The friend I knew since the first year of highschool died. I look at old pictures and my brain knows he's the same person but I can't recognize him. I can't link the person in the pictures with the current one. I can't link his old voice with his new one. I can't look at our group pictures because I can name all of us except Kyle. "Kyle" is dead. One of us died in the second-to-last year of highschool so I know that feeling and that is weirdly similar. When we talk about Kyle, we refer to the old Kyle, the new one despite being all the past memories, his face and mannerism, is not…he's not Kyle but he is! It's eating my brain! This is not a phase you can't just grow out of, because you can't rever the hrt effects, you can't go back and fix the feelings of the people you've hurt with a snap of your fingers…this shit stays.
Don't tell me to ignore him, cut him off, block him, he already did that shit all by himself. I'm angry at him, sure am, because he's still smearing us one year later and telling everyone we're transphobes but a part of me is terribly sad…I lost a friend who I used to laugh a lot with and I lost him because he made his whole personality an american cult…I feel like those people who lose a family member to religious cult…He died…A friend I used to love so much died but his body still walks as if he's being possessed, it's weird and deeply unsettling. Sorry for the long post nonas, sometimes I hurt really bad but I can't express this anywhere…

>>14995
I'm sorry, nona. Your post made me emotional, I can feel how hurt you are and I'm sorry that happened to you, really. Situations like that make you feel helpless…

>>14847
On the bright side, the trash took itself out

Decided to check up on a long time internet friend since my leaving of social media, he's right in the starting stages of trooning out. Some anime/gaming con just happened and he decided to adapt some persona of a schoolgirl named after hormone treatment. All the captions of him in this persona are so obscenely sexist and focused on vanity and sex. It's so clear women are just sex objects in his porn addicted mind and he's using this persona to reflect on his subconscious views and using it as a way for him to get his own sexual frustrations out. I'm really angry and disappointed it's come to this. I really want to message him and just tell him how I feel of this whole ordeal. Just a few hours ago he said he's so glad he realized he's trans and "it doesn't feel wrong" which tbh sounds like such a cope. No normal person makes remarks about feeling "wrong" when something they do comes naturally. We've bonded over liking similar things and he's sent me a few gifts over the years. Seeing this really hits me harder than knowing I have friends being confused about gender, calling themselves they/them, and just dressing up a little more than usual. Him saying he's about to get HRT, and seeing the starting stages of it, it infuriates me.

>>15000
Nona that’s a whole ass moid you’re replying to

>>15260
why kek, i'm retarded, did i miss something

>>15285
> our group is almost all made of gnc men (we range from men wearing classic goth and makeup to more catwalk fashionista ones)
That and some general expressions that I’ve seen moids use, though I suppose it could be cause anon is esl and has moid friends

>>15306
I interpreted that as "the majority of the people in the group were male", not that the anon was one of them. "We" as in "we, as a group, have different types of men". I don't know if I make sense.
For me, the wording and expressions used didn't scream male, tbh, but I'm ESL as well, so I could be wrong, kek.

>>15260
Why do you think I'm a moid, just because I grew up in a european country with a focus on fashion to the point people naturally adopt it, no matter if it's masculine or feminine leaning? Do you realize that the world doesn't revolve around Americanized views? In Europe this shit is not that strict.
I just have moid friends, I highlighted them because the situation happened to them. We also have masculine girls, what is your point? If we had TIF friends, the convo would be about TIFs, don't you think? What I meant is that, in our group, the men are all almost gnc, not that they're all men. We're made of equally men and women. Sorry if that wasn't clear, as I said english is not my first language so I tend to construct phrases like my native one. Do I really need to specify this, it was in the second sentence….