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It's always the fucking same kek
Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learnhttps://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/
Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix Yoon
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Honestly, I love the old art style of romance novels. I currently lack the skills to do something like this, but I love the rendering and poses.
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To the artists who do commissions for commercial use, how much extra should I charge?
I've read some people charge 500% of the final price, but I don't know if that would be excessive or not.
The style I draw is like picrel, is not my art, but is a similar style.
you typed sage in the wrong field anon, just a note.
You should consult your client for their budget & use of your art (use of assets). Ask for royalties for prints. Etc. You can google up existing freelance artist contracts so that your client doesn't screw you over patent in the future.
Many might've seen this already, but I found this art price video is pretty helpful, although does children book illustrations.
Thanks! I'm a digital artist though so I'd have to brush up on my skills before I embarrass myself in public haha.>>971002
Conventions sound like a really cool idea but I'm from nyc so I think most events are pretty large scale (either that or I'm just not hip enough to know about the small ones)>>971015
Ah I forgot bumble wasn't just for dating! Thanks for the idea on art school events, I think it'll be pretty handy once COVID dies down completely.
^ this post right here anon. You’re a hobbyist rn, so you don’t have to worry about the “perfect” price for your work. Just getting started/making a name for yourself is good enough.
But If you want, You can also look up examples online, or if you want to go the extra mile look for artstyles similar to yours and base your pricing on it. Remember anon, if someone really wants it, they’ll pay for it
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Cleanse our souls and our eyes Serenity Sam
I’m a professional illustrator and own an iPad, wacom intuos pro and wacom cintiq 16.
I only use the iPad for sketching since I find even the 12.9” too small to work on comfortably. The cintiq I mainly bought because of the wacom brand name. The pen is fantastic but the screen isn’t that good, it’s a little dark and non-laminated plastic film. Overall the drawing experience is good but the cheaper competitors are definitely catching up and they will often have better screens (color gamut, lamination, etched glass etc). If I got another tablet I’d check them out before wacom and probably go for a bigger screen than 16” too.
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still waiting to see if any of this stuff ever gets proven
I vaguely remembered that he admitted he had traced in the past, and now he's on a "redemption" for it by catching tracers.
As for the interviewing, yeah, it is pretty dodgy but pretty much same tactics as any sensational journalist. When the target of his topic point refused an interview, he still made a video about them anyways, and went as far as painting them being unapproachable (strange, how people don't trust you since your channel is known for roasting other content creators).
As a much older artist who was somewhat involved with the newgrounds/animation crowd in the past, I just think this kid just needs better influence & peers instead of being surrounded by only nsfw artists.
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God is dead
I'm also a professional illustrator and I use a Wacom small, I've used it for 13 years now and never had troubles with it.I don't plan on changing it unless it breakes.
I personally prefer non-screen tablets, I think they are cheaper too, if you are just starting you wouldn't want to spend too much money on something you may regret getting. Just my opinion
Not a professional illustrator, but a designer who does illustrations as a hobby, and I second this.
I use my tablet both for my job and my illustrations, and I have a medium-sized Wacom Intuos Pro that's wuite the oldie and still works perfectly. It's very sturdy as well, I lost the count of times I accidentally dropped something on it yet it still worked as if nothing had happened. Back when I went to buy it I had taken a look at some screen tablets of the same size but their price was infinitely higher compared to the ones without screens, but I suppose that kind comes from personal preference too. I know some coworkers of mine who just can't use screen-less tablets at all, while others are the opposite.
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webcomic artist having a meltdown over webtoonhttps://archive.vn/9hi8J
as a fellow comic auteur I agree with this dude lol, this platform isn't for people who are serious about graphic novel and sequential arts.
I do feel bad for the kids who started out with webtoon format, and having to unlearn all this "mobile optimized" bs when they get published on prints later.
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oh yeah, webcomic vs webtoon artist bitch fight is still on going on this person's twitter apparently. it is hilarious to how the arguments reduced into petty QRTs now
man I'm glad im retired from social media, just bad for my blood pressure ngl
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we're reaching stupid levels of salt here
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omg anon your file name.
okay im still reading up and ngl id be friend with this person lol, the salty boomer energy
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Damn, what a twist. This is not what I was expecting
They mean full page layout VS infinite scrolling. Their argument isn't really that comics made in webtoons sucks, it's the forced format that people are breaking their necks over. And they're right, the infinite scroll format sucks ass. It's so inefficient and not versatile. If you want to do literally anything else with it, or read it on anything other than a phone,you can't without it looking like dog shit. It's not a boomer opinion it's just facts. >>974253
Full offense but why is it always the greasy people weeding their way into what they think is a poly relationship? She's doomed to fail, and fall back into her hole once she gets rejected, or fucks up. She was so desperate to show off her relationship so badly. TD isn't even 5 yrs into her marriage I don't think. Sounds like a hasty afterthought.
IKR they made pretty sound arguments imo, I'm too much of a coward to agree with them in public considering a lot of my mutuals operate on webtoon now.
I read up on the people replied to their thread, and there was one linking OP's webcomic to "dunk" as saying OP's arts aren't that great to put down webtoon artists (which is a low, low blow damn).
It's sad to see OP is a minority in this but really a lot of industry comic artists don't bother to fuck with social media when it's infested with mostly zoomers now.
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imagine being an artist with 222k followers doxxing another artist with 1k because she asked info about the $300 commission she wanted 3 months for
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I just checked that person's twitter, and they posted screenshots of the full conversation.https://twitter.com/velurbie/status/1462517153710710784
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here is the super amazingly intricate $75 sketch
Kek. The person themself even doxxed their email and private contacts.
Ok, but Honestly seems like a shit thing either way. The set price for the sketch is $75, so I understand why the artist didn’t compromise, yet the artist didn’t complete the full sketch- they said themself with the lighter that they didn’t add in.
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>>974764>you’re going to pay the full price for all my hard work on that 4 min sketch >commission examples for the sketch
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I haven't used that particular gouache but the Koi watercolors are one of my favorite cheap sets. The colors are vibrant and they flow well.
The biggest thing for painting is to use decent paper. For ages I thought I hated watercolors but it was just because cheaper paper doesn't handle paint well, even if it's for watercolor. Fabriano has a student grade option that has a bit of cotton in it, and for practicing it's been ok. The more cotton, the better, but it gets pricey quickly lol
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Apparently, HotGlossed changed the TOS after this all popped off. The sketch >>974764
is clearly nothing like >>974779
so I think the commissioner kind of has a point. https://twitter.com/velurbie/status/1462518698019860486
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>>974781> I think the commissioner kind of has a point.
Yeah, at first I gave the benefit of the doubt to the artist because I didn’t know them, or know what their art looked like
This artist is a scammer kek. I checked the comissioners Twitter and apparently this was her first time buying a commission. This woman is never buying a comission ever again kek
She's getting dogpiled by his 200k followers now.
I don't know either of the artists. Here's my perspective as someone who has been taking commissions for nearly a decade.
When I looked into the details, unfortunately I will have to side with the 200K followers artist. The commissioner mentioned about it was them "acting unprofessional" when there's no specifics about it except pointing to the TOS revision (from no refund to refund at sketch stage is sketch price).
I see the style stage is still similar to the sketch style sample, and artist should be allowed to charge at that price for a refund. It's the client who didn't want to take it up and listened to bad advice from friends which ended up making a false claims (which is historically fucking both sides of the client and seller since Paypal is such a bitch like that).
The two of them could've worked out in a bit communication wise. Otherwise just take back your $75 and leave lmao.
I use gumroad and itchio. I've seen some veteran comic artists have been posting their full comic in twitter thread recently too.
You can make a thread to post a first few pages of your comic as hook, then the final tweet to the thread would be link to your ebook storepage. Good luck anon!
I don't agree with the fact that large follower artists will have to act like influencers, in which keeping everything in private. The PP dispute is more complicated than that, as I've seen artists gotten their balance being froze and taken hostage by PP because of incident like these.
I'd like to know what kind of client I get to avoid working with in the future too, a whispernet/blacklist should be good enough.
They also aren't siccing anyone after anyone either. They are publicly warning other artists to take this commissioner. They aren't doxxed either as this is a commission account, not their personal facebook or real name or anything either. This is important in the community to share this knowledge and going and DMing every artist instead is way too much hassle. This proves a point to other people thinking of acting this way. The artist was reasonable imo. Neither of them are showing how many revisions he asked for, but from the sounds of it, it's a lot of details the guy didn't even give the artist to begin with and basically sounds like he has to start over. I would have put that in the back of the pile too, especially if I had some work prepped, like this was, before moving forward after approval from the commissioners. I don't know how many anons here take commissions, but starting from scratch sometimes means you have to be scrabbled back in line. He's still willing to do a more solid sketch with all the revisions for the original cost of his sketches, but the guy instead said he'd do that and then opened a full refund case even though the artist agreed to a refund except $75.
The commissioner is trash.
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TIL people are willing to wait 3 months or more for a commission
terms of service says commissions can take anywhere from a few weeks to a couple months and after 3 months the sketch isnt even finis
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heartmush is auctioning an adoptable with the starting price at $200 and autobuy at $600 …not a single bid yet: https://www.deviantart.com/heartmush/art/adopt-auction-open-updated-APPLE-BLOSSOM-898592272
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The review reminded me of that one (prince?) character from Deltarune and thought that was cute until I saw the full piece.
The legs, fuck auction someone please call an ambulance now.
I know I'm 3 days late but I'd figure I could give one more bit of experience. I recently bought an xp pen xp pen artist 12 2nd gen as my first screen tablet and my hopes are high. I've only ever owned wacom or huion so I'm excited to try out the new player. Never had bad huion driver experiences (probably because I don't own a screen tablet yet) but I find their pens very easy to break. Never ever ever let them fall off your desk. Once or twice is fine, but then it just breaks. I find wacom far too pricey for me now but at least their pens never broke on me.>>975185
I get commissioned by friends all the time and it's okay. It has to be people you trust for real I think, and when it's the case I always feel bad for taking their money. Friends tend to be more patient, and I appreciate that. I guess don't fuck with people who are antsy or are not financially responsible. I kept politely refusing this one (now ex)friend who was a furry who later on became homeless, I simply won't take money from friends who make it known how bad they are with their money.
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i personally use talons plakkaatverf gouache which i swear by, and i feel its much better than jelly gouache. sure its more expensive, but its much easier to clean, and so smooth.
i started off with regular watercolors though, and that really was a better starting point than jumping straight into gouache imo since it’s more forgiving.
if you wanted to get the royal talens set, i’d get the 5 tube set. thats more than enough for beginner.
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adding to this gloss artist, I was digging through their page and… who in the right mind would pay $200 for something in this style?
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Imagine looking like this and calling someone else a pedo and attacking then irl mean girls style over an anime ship lmao, I can’t https://twitter.com/iamlunasol/status/1462648036715286535?s=21
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>This thread has already descended to 'this art piece isn't worth the price! what's supply and demand?'
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use screenshots not links
that said, even though iamlunasol can be a cow this is insanity. who tf goes that far and then calls someone else
the bully? How do you threaten someone else with physical harm and then try to give them "a gift" and act like they're a bully because they didn't want to open a box you probably had some sort of knife in or tampered with?
iamlunasol is definitely a cow but zoomers (and middle schoolers) wanting to hurt her and then chickening out is definitely funny. There are several raging literal
middle schoolers in her replies at all times, she even did a colossalcon texas recap thread and they were there too. I thought twitter users were all about deleting kneecaps what happened?
My boyfriend offers partial or full. A lot of people outright pay in full because they know how commissions work, but around holidays, partial and then the rest before sending full files with proper quality, is a good route too. Just make sure you don't send all the original files before getting the finished payment. Put a watermark over a preview of the final product, get the other half of the commission, and then send everything without watermarks. Also creating a full sheet with all the info you need is important. If you are worried about deadlines, you could let people know that you will take people and finish in the order you get them, but also be clear that the receipt time is a minimum X-amount of weeks. This way people can't pretend they don't see that as it's on your main promotion sheet. Also adding in "no refunds" is a good one. If you do all your sketches at once, I would still keep the line in which you got your slots, and finish the sketches into finals in that order instead of skipping around. This also eliminates you working on too many things at once and since you have approved sketches, you'll be ahead in the next commission once you finish the first slot commission. I hope that made sense.
They agreed on a concrete sketch after the initial requests to a rough sketch that the commissioner never even mentions those details to begin with. I have a feeling at this point your self posting because the logic you are throwing around is absurd and highly stupid. They agreed to refund $225. Instead, the commissioner decided to possibly lock up the artist's way of making money by opening a false claim, when they already agreed on the artist keeping $75 for a paid sketch. The fact that they did the false claim is absolutely a reason to change ToS. They were going to keep the original ToS for this guy until he fucked the artist over. Of course, he'd change it after that. That's exactly what anyone with ToS do when they have a customer who completely disregards everything for selfish, clout chasing, reasons. This is a case of one person ruining it for everyone else. Now no one gets the chance of any refund because this person wanted to be a selfish piece of shit.
There is nothing the artist did wrong in this. It's a pissy brat who thinks they can fuck with an artist and I'm so glad they got called out in the community. The fact that they were pussy enough to even do a paypal claim and put the artist's livelihood at jeopardy, is the most pathetic thing possible. There's an unspoken rule that you don't pull that shit in the community and this little bitch did just that. I hope they get blacklisted and people deny them commissions.
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Here's the reference they gave. I would've also interpreted the arrow for the turtleneck to mean they want the whole top to be a turtleneck and even in their description they don't mention the hoodie. They specified a turtleneck. Also they didn't give much more in reference to show that that hair is made of cement and actual forever placement. The pose straight up looks like it's supposed to be. The hair in the face forward has the look of movement because it looks like it has movement as well from the posed character model. That's when a character sheet comes in handy which the commissioner should've had for something as detailed as needing arbitrary "1-2 inches longer in the back". I'll share the changes they wanted. This hyper-detailed stuff they wanted changed is annoying, this is stuff she should've thought about when prepping their request. They even admitted it's their first time commissioning, so it's not the artist's job to coach them on how to go about properly ordering a commission. Details like that need to be stated and her arrow and written in wants aren't description enough.
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If you're going to dig in about needing hair to touch the clavicle, Jesus Christ, actually put that information in instead of waiting for a sketch when these minuscule character details that make the character of so unique, should be written down and a back/side/front would be nice for people having to recreate the look. Not just an action shot where it looks like it's not on purpose, but instead of being an in motion hairstyle.
Nitpicking a bit here but the wording on that commission sheet… "i will not do certain characters i don't like the designs of" can't you just say, i dunno, "i won't draw questionable ideas/designs" or something instead, lol>>975876
can relate kek, i had a couple uncomfortable experiences with people who seemed way too eager to talk about nsfw topics at the slightest opportunity. Must be all that coom in the brain.
it was still the very rough sketch stage and the artist agreed to do the revisions for free anyways, it's not on the commisioner if the artist agrees.
also the artist never had any deduction of the sketch fee from refunds term when the client commisioned them, they made that up halfway through. https://twitter.com/velurbie/status/1462518698019860486?s=20(this is an imageboard. post screencaps)
I thinks it's more of a community policing thing. It's more like a verbal agreement among the community that you just don't do that and if you do, expect some serious blowback from said community. Basically, if you decide to go against the rules of said friend group you'll be kicked out of the group. If you don't mind that then there's really nothing stopping someone from just copying someone else's adoptables or closed species.
The thing is if someone really wants to have an adoptable or closed species, chances are that they also want to be apart of that community so they try not to do anything that would piss off said community.
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in what works is the left sketch the same quality as the right? making them pay the same price is ridiculous
It's a community thing. No one can stop you from making a character from a closed species without paying, but you won't be able to roleplay or interact with anyone from the community. And if you sell the adoptables, you can expect to be blacklisted everywhere and you won't be able to sell shit.
Adoptables are just like any other form of art commission. You're paying someone to get a cool drawing and a character design, and if someone copies it or heavily references it, it's just like someone copying a random commission and calling it theirs. Nothing happens if someone steals a piece of digital art, they just get called out and blacklisted and that's it.
This person is a nit picker, if they’re that specific about the drawing then they can draw it themselves. This is just a “move it a liiiitle more to the right….now a little more to the left…. oh Nevermind, to the right again” person. The artist should have been clearer about revisions beforehand, most artists either outright refuse revisions or limit it to 1 or 2. If not, they’re subject to being their client’s slave until the commission is up.
There are a LOT of reasons to avoid revisions, other than it adding more work to the artist. It often wrecks the drawings composition and destroys the artists flow.
What's a closed species?>>976264
What's a premium design?
I really don’t see that great deal of a difference, it is nothing to note. Whatever an artist includes in their portfolio or their price sheet is their BEST work, commissioners need to keep that in mind.
The artist cut them off dramatically, but when you’re a professional you grow the ability to sus out problem customers. Everything about the way the commissioner was talking and acting is manipulative, and by having them put the artist on blast like that it totally proves the artist was 100% correct in their suspicions. If they would have continued to indulge the commissioner with their requests it would have never ended. This is only the sketch stage and they’ve already requested extensive minuscule changes, imagine how many changes they would ask for in the color stage? They would be likely to say something like “after seeing this in color I don’t think the pose is working”, it happens many times. Artists need to be assertive to survive.
Basically someone creates a "species" which fall into specific visual characteristics. It's a closed species when the artists asks that no one outside of the adopted community draw it (which I think is retarded). So say I draw a species of bear-like animals. They have antennae, their coats can have specific patterns, and specific colors etc. I made the design as the original creator, and someone adopt that's bear-like animal. No one is allowed to draw their own
bear-like animal, only me, until they adopt one from me. After they adopt, that design is theirs to do what the want with. Draw, role-play, etc. Most of the time you're "not allowed" to make changes to the design. A premium design would be a bear-like creature but with extra shit. So a bear-like with wings, which is "rare" in the bear-like species.
regardless if its nitpicky moving the hair is something that can be fixed with the lasso tool and the hoodie is a misunderstanding that can be fixed with 10 freaking strokes.>Whatever an artist includes in their portfolio or their price sheet is their BEST work, commissioners need to keep that in mind.
On a portfolio sure but not as samples?? right pic isn't even what they advertised, there's even more of a difference compared to >>974779
i think if they were nice enough to be ghosted by the artist for at least a month and not ask for updates and then only getting a very halfdone sketch, the commissioner has the rights to ask for a couple revisions and even ten, it is the artist who agreed to those revisions and didn't tell the commissioner that they would be pushed back on the priorities list until the commissioner themselves asked for an update aa month and a half later.>>976305
also if it was their portfolio then i'd agreed somewhat but those examples are from their commissions information site, i.e. where they're meant to show commissioners what theyre to be paying for.
the artist is absolutely the shady one here by randomly making up the no sketch refund rule months after accepting the commission, not telling the commissioner their work was gonna be pushed back, and then demanding $75 for a sketch that do not match the sketches that artists themselves value as $75
>>976340>could be fixed in 10 fucking strokes
You don't know that. >could fix the hair with the lasso tool
No, that's hilarious, you do not use the lasso tool in line drawings. You could not, it needs at least partially redrawn or it would look like shit.
>On a portfolio sure but not samples?
Samples are the same thing as a portfolio, it is just a representation of their work.
I am not at all seeing what you're seeing in the difference of quality. The only difference between their sample sketches and the given sketch is 1) the hand is unfinished. However, in the sample sketches there aren't many hands drawn at all, and 2) There is no hatching.
Personally, I think that the sketch the commissioner received is of BETTER quality than what their samples are. Those samples just aren't very nice, clearly the artist is a better painter. >>976344>i think if they were nice enough to be ghosted by the artist for at least a month and not ask for updates and then only getting a very halfdone sketch
I agree with this, but we don't know what kind of interactions the artist had with the commissioner beforehand. Maybe the commissioner was very pushy from the get-go .We simply don't know. However, based off of the artist's behavior, I would guess that the artist really did ghost them for three months, in which case, shame on them.
>>976344>even 10 revisions
Sorry double post- that's insane and ridiculous, don't post that kind of thing here because you're setting up an unreasonable precedent.
No commissioner is entitled to that many revisions unless they PAY for them, and even then, revisions wreck artwork.
The reason for pushing a commission down the list when they are asking for revisions is to make ends meet.
Freelance artists have rocky, uneven schedules. No freelancer ever gets up at 9 am and works till 5, Mon-Friday and has weekends off.
They work 0 hour days to 16 hour days and everything in between, completely at random.
If a commissioner is giving them trouble an stringing them along, they have to finish a different commission that will pay them faster in order for them to pay their OWN bills on time. When the artist is going through a dead week, then they can pick up work that is slower to complete.
Its not an absurd concept, it is how every freelancer works, whether its for art or something else. The way the artist said it was just rude.
it's not, a portfolio is to showcase your overall skills but samples, with a price attached no less, are there for the artist to tell people "this is what i myself value at $75, this is what you'll be getting for $75", they can't just give them a lesser quality piece of work and say "well my samples are my best work, sorry pal, that'll be $75"
also what are you talking about 2 of the samples has hands. and the big difference is how much cleaner that samples are, there is no inner build up lines and the lines are more refined.
i looked at his sketch process vids on twitter and i stand by my word that its not a hard fix for a "professional". it's not lineart either it's a sketch for a painting. you dont need to have perfect lines for that–and evidently glossed didnt care about that either, look at all the stray lines and guidelines left in that sketch>the only difference between their sample sketches and the given sketch is 1) the hand is unfinished. However, in the sample sketches there aren't many hands drawn at all, and 2) There is no hatching.
so you do admit there's a difference
Okay, so are you saying that the samples are NOT examples of their best work?
That's literally all I'm saying, and for some reason you're disagreeing with me. Why would an artist put up their sub-par sketches as samples?
>the other ones have hands
My bad, the first doesnt and it just looks like shit.
I may just have a difference in opinion, but I much prefer the sketch that the commissioner received that has the interior lines. I don't like their "cleaned up work", it looks bad.>>976398
I agree, unprofessional of them for sure. I can see why the commissioner was pissed.>>976407
I agree, but at this point literally who cares. Yeah there's a slight difference, both of them are being incredibly petty scrounging over the difference.
A photo upthread literally has the artist explaining they were willing do do their basic %75 sketch and refund the other $225. The commissioner agreed to that then opened a PayPal claim. Everything was laid out properly. The commissioner is just a fucking dumbass and I hope they get blacklisted to hell and back.
Also, the artist never doxxed the commissioner. Publicly calling out isn't the same as doxxing. What's possibly doxxing is that the commissioner posted their PayPal email address to the public instead of blacking it out in their image posts. Like, seriously.
This goes into labor. These pieces aren't done in 30 minutes and they are just upcharging you. Cheap people need not get commissions because this mentality is so shitty for contractors. >>976349
We don't even know where they were in line to begin with. The commissioner thinking that they are first in line, even after the initial agreement where the artist stated "This might take a while but I can find time for you", that was lenient as all hell. The commissioner knew going in to this they weren't priority, and then they decided to be nitpicking as hell after a WIP for approval. It's also not the artist's job to be the one checking in. The commissioner did the right thing checking on where their commission status was and the artist gave them an answer. They weren't at a new stage they'd have a reason to contact the commissioner. Then it would be even more weird on their side to be popping in and saying "Just to let you know, I haven't started it yet!" Like, why? That's not useful in any way to either parties. >>976379
They weren't even specific in their original request. Those are a lot of revisions for things they didn't make clear they wanted. The hoodie thing really throws me because all they did is specify they wanted a turtleneck for clothing and an arrow pointing to the torso. None of that shows they wanted the hoodie too. >>976398
Yes they did. >>976421
They do. There is a difference between their sketchwork and their WIP work and people in this thread are using sketch to mean the same thing in here when it doesn't.
where did the commissioner agree to this?>>976585
no? the commissioner wanted a refund and the artist just said they were only gonna refund $225 i don't think there was any screenshots were the artist said they were keep working on the art to make it a stylized sketch instead. what the commissioner wanted was to cancel the commission altogether but was willing to pay $45 for the wip sketch but the artist wanted the full stylized sketch price withotu ever saying they were gonna continue working on it.>>976590
where did the artist ever tell the commissioner they were gonna push back the commission? prior to the commissioner themselves asking for an update i mean
And they also said they'd take that refund for the sketch instead. >>976709
The issue is that it is very specific things that the commissioner didn't make clear. Arrows pointing to things isn't as clear as you think.
Just charge for revisions after the painting stage.>>976723>specific things that the commissioner didn't make clear. Arrows pointing to things isn't as clear as you think.
The reference was pretty clear, and if the arrows weren't clear enough there was nothing stopping the artist of asking the comissioner about it before starting the sketch.>>976736
Where? They only said they put the comissioner in the end of the priority list after 2 months of waiting on the revisions of the sketch.
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where in any of this do they say theyre not priority or theyre squeezing them in? if anything this basically says they finished the first batch of comms and is now finding more to take on
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posting here Jillian's drawing vs her "alter's"
This is the shit that happens when you fuck around for 3 months after someone pays you 300 dollars
I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often tbh
I wasn't given any revision sketches or anything like that btw so I don't have anything to show for it other than trust issues for comissioning artists,because I have not gotten a comission since then, first and last ime
but what I asked and paid for was a drawing of an OC I had, it was a headshot in a painterly style iirc. I don't remember how much I paid for it, but I do remember it was extra money I had so I didn't negotiate prices or anything and I paid in full.
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here, do tell me if you need me to circle the $45
I had the Sakura Koi set for years and it was fine enough, but I recently upgraded to Holbein's 18 set of watercolours and I much prefer it. There's no granulation, the colours are vibrant, even, and consistent, which was not always the case with the Sakura Koi colours. Most pans in the 48 set I had sucked tbh. I put some of the Holbein watercolour into a palette case and use it like the pans in the Koi set. Koi sets come in an unnecessary quantity too which I advise against. As a novice I did not know better that there's no need for that many colours. Mixing from a smaller number of higher quality paints is superior than getting many cheap colours.
Miya Jelly gouache is fine enough too, if that's all I had I would probably use it more. But I dislike how bulky the container is, it's really not portable and it's quite messy. It can also get moldy apparently which is disgusting. And it's gross once it dries and gets all crackly then you have to re-wet it. Just not a pleasant experience even though the paints are good quality for the price.
I also picked up the Holbein Acryla Gouache with the watercolours and I enjoy using those more for similar reasons, better consistency and more vibrant colours.(Acrylic gouache is different from regular gouache like the Jelly gouache. Acrylic gouache sets once dry, regular gouache is still moveable when re-wet. I know Holbein makes a regular gouache too but I've never tried it as I'm not interested in it.)
I've given away both paints for the Holbein stuff and am not looking back or elsewhere. I do paint professionally but honestly even as a student or novice I would recommend these paints because their quality and usability is that good. They are also not too expensive, just at about the higher mid range. If I had the chance to do it over again I'd just go straight for these paints to begin with and skip over the student/hobby grade stuff. It's worth it for making your life easier and not dealing with the noticeable downsides.
Talens gouache like other anon said. Best I've used so far. Good idea is to start with 10 color tube set and later get primaries or earth colors if used a lot in 50ml jars (black, white, yellows, reds, blues is the best option) and others in 20ml tubes/16ml jars.
Great coverage, velvety and smooth after drying. Extra fine label is true, pigments are properly ground and I rarely get big pieces of pigment in my paint.
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got screencaps? I saw similar similar situations a few weeks ago where japanese artists got fake emails from twitter support, in which clicking the link will cause their account to be hijacked
Yeah, even the dude in this cap >>977754
said that upon further inspection the design of the email was completely off and that he was too naive.
I guess they targeting non English speakers so can fall for it more easily due to language barriers
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More japanese artist accounts seem to be getting hacked and turned into platforms to promote NFTs…
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Art channel Art Senpai that has over 100k subs traces art apparently. And they even sell their traced art as commissions. Originally heard about it on this subreddit https://www.reddit.com/r/arttheft/comments/r1u9dw/artsenpai_an_artist_with_108k_subs_on_youtube/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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Sorry for double posting but this is the original art they traced
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Hopefully some twitterfag compiles a list of all the traced vs original art and art drama channels pick up on it. His tutorials look like absolute garbage.
Its because Japanese artists often have their contact email in their profile on twitter resulting in the scam emails they get looking a lot more legit because they will see an email with their actual twitter @ and name in it and especially due to not being native English speakers.
I've tried to bring attention to this but eh not much I can do besides explain it every time it happens so more people understand why its happening.>>978015>>978019
Mix of both, there are a lot of twitter bots atm who will spam replies with url links and stuff if you say words like NFT and HACKED together.
Kudos on the redditor to find the original art he traced from, unfortunately from my perspective the only way to confront this is to contact the artist he stole from, leave it to them to whether take action or not, and move on.
Art thefts and tracers are morally corrupt but unfortunately there's nothing we can do but point out their patterns and warn to others.
I've seen again and again artists with "tracing" part of their past didn't hinder career at all and still being hired to draw for big projects. It is unfortunate that most people don't care.
Ah, I understand, seeing people who's apparently 13 drawing decently can be disheartening for someone who's starting, but try the ignore them, also it wouldn't surprise me if some are lying about their age for attention.
Secondly, you should pinpoint wich style you'd like to archive and set up a folder of references, maybe a picture that you like the colors/shading technique of or a drawing that has a character doing a cool pose.
When I started drawing I proposed myself to draw AT LEAST one head/body per day, it doesn't matter if they end up looking like shit, the idea it's to have constance. You'll improve pretty fast if you don't let yourself get rusty and practice everyday.
Well, good luck! and don't compare your begging with someone's middle
It literally doesn't matter. As long as it's not a random string of numbers or letters that can't be pronounced like a word it'll be fine. But also don't pick something like AnonDraws or whatever, those are super lame. Just choose whatever you like>>979036
You have to remind yourself that everyone kind of sucks, even people that you think are great will have these thoughts. Like >>979066
said, think of what you want your art to look like and try to figure out the necessary steps to get there. Focus on what you think needs work, but don't forget to put that studying into practice! You can copy masters for hours, look at skeletons all you want, but if you can't put these things on paper on your own, without having to look anything up, it doesn't have much value imo. Well, it honestly depends on what you want to achieve in the end. I guess if your goals are photorealistic portraits for instagram you're better off just copying pictures
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no milk just salt. I have a misfortune of running into kaneblob's nsfw account because of twitter suggestion side bar.
How do I delete this information from my brain, the porn isn't even gross or anything, it's just bad, her art is just bad, please go back learning the fundamentals before drawing anything else please holyshit. That's all my rant.
just go to @kaneboob
and yes it's basically just badly drawn genshin girls, maybe I was actually spared because I don't know any of these characters and have zero emotional attachment to them to have any further disgust.
cant wait to see her fully brainwashed by coomers and have her arts deteriorate even more
Oh so it's the one pic I saw. I just noticed the leg behind the fingerjob giver… what the fuck.
I would hate that artist for her extremely 00s nickname already, ~hehe I am a smol blob(fish)~. Why are female weeb artists like this
Tons of marketing. Free to play MMO, for most weebs it's their first MMO. Available on multiple platforms and in multiple languages. Watered down similarities with breath of the wild. Gacha and mechanics designed to draw you in and spend, sunk cost fallacy, fear of missing out.
I tried getting into it several times, but I just find other series more romantic/tragic or just sexier with the designs.
I've seen a lot of people praise its story but honestly at this point i'm 99% convinced it's them in denial and are just becoming slaves to the gatcha and the characters alone. I tried playing genshin after literally all of my friends jumped on it and almost all of the artists I followed for inspiration started to draw exclusively genshin fanart, I wanted to see what the jam was about.
It was like any other open world japanese fantasy RPG except done of the designs were interesting. Overdesigned to hell and all characters have the same face and body. Like, I found two memorable at best. The world itself is boring too. But like many other anons said it's most of gen z's first gacha and it's free.
I'm really getting tired of the oversaturation though. I've blacklisted all genshin words I could to keep it fromappearing on my TL but some still appear regardless.
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It's a good sign that you are aware of the flaws in your work. The next step is to work to resolve them by studying both life and how more skilled artists tackle them. This image gets brought up a lot but it's true. Art really is a cycle of your eye being ahead of your abilities, your abilities catching up but then your eye becoming better. It never ends but through this process you will become more and more skilled. The only way to "deal with sucking" is to work on improving.
for everyone, outside of the context of this thread. I don't want to spread the idea that you need outside validation to enjoy and make art. My point isn't about individuals and whether or not you like what they've created. Art is for everyone and it doesn't matter if you like it that way or not.
Artist who used to draw softcore and risque stuff only but started to draw porn because of higher pay here.
After I started drawing NSFW commissions, it pretty much took over my regular commissions. At some point for each normal, SFW commission I'd do I'd have 3 NSFW ones waiting in the oven. I got some nice money from it, but just like in your case I felt like it made my art stagnate a little. Mostly because I'd get commissioned to draw very similar scenarios, always. Naked boob girl posing, naked boob girl lying down, occasional naked bara man just standing there with his dick out. I'd rarely ever get insteresting poses or scenarios and due to the sheer number of commissions I'd have to do (okay, that's on me for taking too many commissions at a time, but I was a little desperate and admittedly a bit greedy back then) I'd rarely have time to draw art for myself and actually try new things.
It also disensitized me to porn a lot as well which…feels bad. Drawn porn barely turns me on nowadays, it's just all the same to me and it makes me feel a bit upset and frustrated because looking at porn illustrations just earns no reaction from me compared to the days I exposed myself less to that type of art.
Adding to everything, it also earned me a bunch of coomer followers. Do they pay well? Yup. But at the same time, eugh. I've had a commissioner keep asking me to draw this one character with bigger breasts and ass and thighs more and more and the end result barely looked human, I felt like I was creating a Sakimichan-tier abomination. I feel like drawing this type of anatomy (which was highly requested in my case, I almost never got commissioners asking for more "natural" anatomy on character) gave me some nasty vices regarding my anatomy skills that I'm trying to fix now.
Sorry for the obscenely long sperg but that's my story. I went back to taking just softcore commissions as well as SFW now. I get less money than in my full NSFW commission days but it feels…better? I dunno how to explain, but I feel happier nowand my art is slowly improving again. Still no arousal from looking at drawn porn though :c permanent damage…
>>979639>basing what one should do with their life based on what other people think.
Have you ever done anything in your life for personal fulfillment? Do you know what self actualization and fulfillment even feels like? It's pathetic to drop something because of what other people think. It's pathetic to drop something because it isn't "useful", but art has utility and that is why millions of people still get paid to create it nonetheless. Anyway, I know you are being disingenuous because every person on the planet has encountered pieces of art that has spoken to them and that they understand and cherish deeply.
Hint, the point of art is to not achieving a "final phase of mastery". Grow up and stop being a crab in a bucket.
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how could you not like this
I do, but honestly, it hasn't really affected the way I view art.
I curate my feed to really only keep art on it that I enjoy (which is pretty niche anyways) even if it isn't as "exciting" as the first time I saw it. It's just all stuff I enjoy and as long as I enjoy it, I keep it on my feed.
NSFW tends to be soul-sucking if you only do it for the money. The nsfw i do doesn't arouse me cause it's generally not my kink, something I find personally appealing,etc. I found myself stagnating whether I did NSFW or SFW because regardless of the clients, you tend to get asked to do very similar things so you have to find time to actually work on your skills and/or things that you personally like. >>979706>>979717
Those things are not really permanent. Sexuality like everything else has moods and fluctuations. There are times where the stuff I'm into arouses me, other times it doesn't. Usually, it just means that I'm not in the mood to personally see/experience it, not that you are "damaged" and need to seek something more extreme. It just means you need to seek something different.
Commission artist here who does SFW and NSFW commissions.
I agree with anon above^ for doing any kind of commission will make your art stagnant, not just NSFW ones.
My suggestion is to take break from doing commissions here and then and focus on what you
really want to draw. What has inspired you lately and is there any art style you want to achieve, that sort of thing.
I am someone who changes style a lot because… drawing the same thing all year round is Soul Sucking no matter what.
If you already have a supply of clients, hand pick which one you enjoy working with instead of having to work for the same person whose demands aren't to your likings.
As for the topic of "not having arousal when doing nsfw commission", I hate to break this to you but you're not supposed to be always
aroused when drawing for someone else. I'm speaking from an experience of someone who does erotic graphic novel too. In the end of the day it's still a combination of skills and observations from other erotic media you studied from, it's an art.
Doing things like art is worthwhile even if you’re not amazing at it. Activities are meaningful as long as they bring you personal fulfillment, and many people’s feelings of fun and fulfillment are not dependent on being good or bad at it.
Only pursuing activities that you excel at (instead of what you’re passionate about) is a really miserable way to go about life. Are you 17? You sould really angsty and immature, I hope you get a better worldview soon.
I think that's different because it's out of your own interest and no one is forcing them to draw it, so I guess the effect it ends up having on a person's mind depends on their own personality>>979900
Same, it's kind of amazing to me how they can keep thinking of new concepts and compositions or even comics to draw with the same few characters.
anon above you
i've seen sfw artists stagnate because they get asked to do the same portrait comps over and over again and still get burnt out. Not sure why people think it is nsfw specific or something exclusive to that. You also have to consider a lot of clients really are kinda generic in their tastes, most people don't commission artists to "give them a challenge", they commission artists because they want the artist to draw for them. If you want a challenge, draw for yourself, don't expect your clients to set it up for you. most "challenging" clients end up being a pain in the ass to work with judging from what people in previous threads have said about difficult clients and part of my own experience.
and i agree, you're drawing something for someone else. It's work. Even when I am drawing for myself I don't feel aroused all the time. I just draw stuff I find personally arousing or erotic even if when I'm drawing
it I don't feel that way.
It is also difficult to feel horny while also trying to focus on drawing just like it can be difficult to be excited and wanting to jump around but trying to focus on doing art. Hell, I can't even do vent art when I am sad without it just looking terrible and like I put no effort into it.
I've done a few NSFW commissions and found I improved a lot with character interactions because I drew couples having sex, instead of just pin-ups. I can see how pin-ups could get boring real fast, but drawing actual sex was fun for me. Women were commissioning me for a specific m/m ship so I didn't have to deal with disgusting male coomers either.
If you want to take on NSFW commissions only draw subjects that interest you, reject anything that makes you uncomfortable.
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This is a personal cow of mine that's constantly trying to "get big" on Twitter, constantly boosting her work in a passive-aggressive manner, and constantly complaining when it flops. She seems to blame most of her lack of success on the twitter algorithm and the fact that she's "disabled". Of course, all of this disregarding the fact that she traces shit constantly.
Also, from what I've heard she seems to have scammed multiple people out of $200+ commissions. All around just a terrible person.
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I'm guessing people just don't recognize the art—I'm not the one who originally found it, so I had to do some searching, but it looks like the original artist is Meabhd on tumblr.
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NTA I checked her page and the art still up.>>980381
This woman is 31 and honestly she reminds me of a lot of other ~*artist*~ that are 30+ and obviously ex-tumblr with all their passive aggressive language.
TeePublic auto DMCA strike posts that are tagged with Marvel or any other Disney affiliated shit if merch page itself is tagged with the name of the franchise. Not because of your "uh muh my popular art theyre robbing me".
I recently started doing it nonnie
, mostly softcore stuff though since my client base aren't complete degenerates (yet). They mostly want to see their yaoi OCs cuddling each other or something. I do enjoy drawing softcore not because it turns me on but it's a fun way for me to practice anatomy, posing, fabrics etc since i'm less inclined to post it publicly so i associate it with free time lol.
Commissions of any kind is to some degree of "soul sucking" to me, like the other anons already said, it's all about your capacity. And there is only so many ways you can potray sexual activities, lol. Why do you think weird ass porn like perverse family exists.
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Essentially draw only men and average to very buff men. I would say lanky but you'll find the coomers who want "trap/femboy" bullshit that will slide into troon stuff. Pic is what I'm thinking.
(Idk who it is)
Oops I meant to respond to >>980624
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SFW with NSFW on the side here, I mostly get women clients for my commissions. I get a good share of m/m ship commissions for my generic otp fan art of the month from a popular game/manga.
Be careful of attracting zoomers, and ones with "transmen in yaoi" agenda in their page. You can't filter them all out, though there's no harm in doing a routine mass blocking of unfavorable people. This is healthy for the relationship with your fujo audience and your content curation wise.
And don't forget to have fun anon!
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I'm afraid of attracting zoomer aidens who will get offended over something random
If you want to avoid zoomers, then dont draw any genshin impact. It's such a cop-out.
Speaking of cop-out, unrelated, but has anyone noticed how many artists have been trying to be vtubers or streamers lately? The vtuber trend used to be worse months ago, but it feels like every time an artist starts streaming regularly, it's always 1 hour of art and like 5 hours of gaming.
They can do whatever they want it's just annoying that it's all they talk about for months on end. I'm not personally interested in streaming but I do understand it to be a good way to cultivate an audience if you're big enough. It just feels like everyone unrealistically wants people to watch them game for hrs on end and hope for handouts.
You can't avoid aidens if you draw bl, draw otome stuff if you want less of an aiden audience.
But whatever you draw, ignore their whining.
Why do you want that? And yeah he would
be bad wouldn't he?
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anon are you a hetalia fujo
I used to do nsfw comms for a living before my depression got too bad to draw. It's miserable, and at least for me, being constantly exposed to men's sexual fantasies, some of which horrifying (I had people ask me to draw children, or snuff or zoophilia, like didn't even ask if I drew that, just fired off explicit descriptions, sometimes with references) was really harmful. Plus it's not actually that much good money, If you want to make a living from it, you have to draw pretty much constantly. It's kind of like onlyfans, in that they tell you it's good money, but it's actually only the 1% getting paid good money, the rest is fighting over each other for scraps.
Yeah, a couple of my artist friends tried to get into the vtuber scene mainly after Inanis appeared. I think only one or two continued, the rest just stopped after the trend calmed down.
It was so annoying tho. Suddently everyone and their grandma had vtuber avatars and tries so so hard to be the next vtuber sensation with shitty character designs and personalities.
I've thought about commissioning/learning to make a simple cartoony (not anime) rig. not to be a vtuber - it wouldn't be a character z
- but to make art streams more interesting without showing my face. would that be worth it? ps I am very ignorant and have no idea how to make a rig or how much they would cost
honestly idk the prices for rigs, most i've seen were pretty expensive but again they were fullbody vtuber rigs. maybe go in prepared for a salty price just in case. i reccomend paying someone to make you a rig rather than learning yourself, that shit seems tricky af.
it's totally fine if you wanna use an avatar just because you don't want to show your face, but only if you occasionally converse with your audience from time to time otherwise it'll be just your avatar sitting there in silence. other than that it's a nice idea.
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Anons, I have a question. How do all indie otome games have the same style of background like the picrel? Sometimes the game will have sloppy character art but this specific kind of background. Do they just buy assets?
Indie otome devs either buy packs (basically everyone uses Minickle's backgrounds specifically; all of these are 3D backgrounds), make bad 2D backgrounds themselves or commission a specialised 3D artist (only if they have plenty of money/got crowdfunded, as good custom backgrounds are very expensive).
Even some professional otome (as in, Otomate, Voltage and the like) buy some packs, too.>>981095
there's no "easy" way, and there aren't actually a lot of artists that are good at this since it requires having a large library of assets, being good at a 3D software and being good at lighting. But it's a really valuable skill to learn if you're interested.
I take pictures everywhere I go, specially when I’m traveling, because I know that if I ever want to make a visual novel, I will have background pictures that I took and that nobody should get mad at me for using them.
I like mixing real life backgrounds with obvious drawn characters, so I like the contrast a lot.
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Everything about this is comical
>NFT shill who bragged about making hundreds of thousands of dollars is ebegging
>donation goal: $150,000
>openly talking about the details of the lawsuit
>source for the guy being a pedo and sexually assaulting people is just a link to a tweet of hers from 2019
>Jisu getting clowned on in the replies for ebegging instead of making more NFTs or taking commissions
I assume you never saw the ice cube skype conversation, nonny
I've doing illustrations with a style similar to league of legends splash art. I fucking hate that game and it's fanbase but I love the art. Damn it
The version of photoshop I currently use is pirated as fuck kek.This is why I'd like to switch to a software with a license.
>>982761>is being a twitter artist as fun as it looks?
not really lol. You have a lot of artists latching onto you trying to use your 'fame' with asinine public interactions because that's what they're taught networking is. When you see big accounts interact, don't think they're buddy buddy on the daily. Also, some randos can grow a parasocial obsession with you, even if you don't post about your life at all, and if you have some unclean internet history, it will be brought against you.
It is the best site so far to get commissions/work with indie devs, but it's not life changing; if I could go back, I would have given all this time to make a youtube channel instead>how long did it take to build your following
3 years, but I don't do animations or nsfw, which are what really skyrocket your numbers>Whats the secret (besides pandering)
you don't have to join trends, in fact it's best to start by drawing niche things with dedicated fans, but you have to post consistently. When I started I posted a drawing every single day for 2 whole years, mostly 1hr doodles. It helps to keep a clean account, new followers love to look through your art
Large-ish by how much exactly?
I don't have large following but have a dedicated small enough number that carried from other social media to my twitter.> is it fun?
nope, I'm constantly bored but I also don't want to draw.> how long is it?
probably nearly a decade with long hiatus on and off.> what's the secret?
do what you want and don't get swept up with the attention people give you at the moment.
i don't have a 100k account but i have a large fanart account for my current fandom
pros: making money selling to your audience
cons: insincere interactions, people only interact with you because you have a large following not necessarily bc they like you (or even your art), weirdo followers who hate you and are waiting for you to fuck up and drag you, harder to interact normally with your actual friends and mutuals because thousands of people are watching, you end up second guessing all your tweets
if I could make money with a smaller following I would trade that in a second
>>982761>is being a twitter artist as fun as it looks?
Nope, especially for a fandom artist it's not. I'm no professional artist, I just draw fanart for fun. But even then it's impossible to make friends with other artists who enjoy the same thing as you. There's cliques, and if you're not on the same level as the others, you're ostracized lmao
>how long did it take to build your following
To no one's surprise, my follower count sky rocketed the moment I drew nsfw of a popular gay ship in this one fandom that I'm in. And by that I mean I can easily get nearly 200+ new followers for each nsfw.
>Whats the secret (besides pandering)
In my case? It's definitely drawing nsfw. Like it doesn't even have to be fully rendered. Even a SKETCH will have these coomers pay more attention to your account than when you draw tasteful sfw stuff. 0/10 regret this, wish I can undo it all.
>>982761>is being a twitter artist as fun as it looks?
At first, yeah. When you don't have too much eyes on you. Just keep your ego in check and try to avoid dropping the quality of your work in favour of likes or instant gratification via tweeting.>Also how long did it take to build your following?
Popular fandoms = quick followers. People will consume anything that relates to their current fixation regardless of quality.
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Are really people that stupid? This guy is offering 'digital paintings'
when it's clearly a 3d model painted over.
It's funny because looking at other of their drawings it looks like the only things that looks pretty and well rendered is the face and the rest looks like it was done without a ref or it was rushed.
>>983742> sorry if this is a stupid question but it is for doing comms only on Kofi or donations as well?
i don't understand your question anon, can you elaborate more?
and no you can't stay anonymous via kofi donation either. I often send donations to scanlation groups and the receiver's real name still shows up in my notification email anyways. You should consider other options instead.
Yes I have separate accounts for different fandoms, and one for my professional art I put my name on. I would suggest doing this if you draw a lot of fanart for one fandom, it's easier to build an audience with a separate dedicated account. If you draw fanart for multiple different things or rarely at all I wouldn't bother making separate accounts
It's easy to handle multiple twitter accounts on mobile. Just log into your main account and add your side accounts, like having sideblogs on tumblr. Not sure if you can do this on desktop
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An artist named oni_core that was posted here before like a year ago got a thread made about them of all art she traced which includes payed commissions https://twitter.com/art_thef/status/1433802616274837505?s=20
most of the discourse relating to the algorithm is that when you post your art the tweet essentially has a 24h lifespan because its chances of getting attention after that timeframe are usually very low. it's less of a 'my tweets aren't reaching my followers' problem and more of a 'my tweets aren't getting enough general traction' thing.
granted, there are many whiny ass artists who love to blame the algorithm for everythig.
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I understand "I just want to do art and enjoy the process of doing art" but this reeks of picrel kek.
I just had wanted to know if I would be able to draw and receive money "anonymously". I would only be drawing my OCs and I do not draw enough to try and open a PP business account adding on to the fact that I will not be taking commissions but it seems either way with Kofi "being the middle man" despite choosing donations or comms they'll be able to see my full name etc.
Plus there's a whole other ball game with opening a PP business and I might have to do another set of taxes (didn't look it up much) that I wouldn't want to do if I may not be doing this long term. I can't remember if someone mentions that pateron doesn't show your credentials since they take a cut but I may have to look at that again and someone some threads ago mentioned pixiv so I'll give that a look
Might be a dumb decision but I’m planning to make a New Years resolution to grow my Twitter account that I made in September and neglected, so maybe I’ll report my results in a year. I’ve thought about doing a YouTube channel instead but I’m not 100% into the idea yet, maybe in the future.>>984444
I’m also wondering about this, I’d like to be able to take commissions in the future but I don’t want my real name getting out, but I’m also not sure if I’ll get in trouble for using a business account. I haven’t been able to find solid information about it.
I just did a quick review reading regarding paying taxes with Paypal. Apparently it doesnt matter if your account is personal or business, once you exceed 200 transactions and $20,000, Paypal will ask you to confirm your US taxpayer status.
I'm non-US and pay taxes on my own country so it's no problem, if anons are US residents you should look more into it.
please for the love of god do not lie about your age. For you whether the artists find out you'd get permaban but for the artists they're getting a higher risk of exposing adult contents to minors, and this isn't something they can hide from internet providers, depending on their countries it can go from fines to literally imprisonments.
Do Not Do This Shit.
i don't put my age in my bio since i don't like strangers knowing any of my personal info. i also don't really like talking to people and would rather just post art and look at art that inspires me.
lying about your age probably isn't a good idea considering how people who do that always get caught and can get into massive trouble. the experiment is certainly interesting anon but idk if it would be wise to actually put it to practice.
Never planned to use the “young” age account as a main. I wanted to set up 2 accounts that are throwaways, both different ages(not connected to me), one older and the other younger, not interact with the audience and just post similar subjects with a similar style (outside of my norm) >>984723
Thankfully I don’t plan to post “adult” content on either one or to try to connect to any of the audience- minor or older.
I don’t know if I want to stick with fan art or a mix between fan art and originals, but either way I want the content/art to not exclude or favor one.
I just don’t know what artstyle I want the accounts to take
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Does someone here have brutfuner pencils? interested to buy because they have massive color range and are cheap, but I tried another cheap chinese brand before called Marco Renoir, and while I liked the colors themselves, the lead was brittle af. Only dropping the pencil on my table was enough to completely fuck up the entire lead from top to bottom. If Brutfuner is anything like it, I wouldn't risk it, no matter how cheap.
I'm in the 25k-35k range so I wouldn't say I'm a huge account, but I definitely get a lot of interaction when I post something polished>is being a twitter artist as fun as it looks?
Yes, if you love your own art. I once posted an illustration I wasn't happy with but had sunk a lot of time into and it did really well. Had about 10k likes in the first few hours but I didn't feel a single crumb of dopamine because I hated it (and eventually deleted it, lol). But when I post something I love and even just a small amount of people like it or leave nice replies it feels very nice. I think it is only fun if you don't go checking your likes and new follows every moment and just enjoy getting pleasant feedback and commission requests. Also I'm flexing but getting followed by your favorite artists is a high that lasts a while.>how long did it take to build your following
A little over a year.>what's the secret?
I got lucky because my art fills a niche but isn't fandom stuff so it's future-proofed a bit.
I think the main reason I wanted to gain some popularity on twitter was to be recognized and sort of join in on some art friend circles that I admired. What's funny is a LOT of the people I couldn't ever imagine noticing me currently follow and interact with me now, but I had the realization that just interacting and giving replies doesn't make you friends, lol. All this time I thought they were this tight-knit group of skilled professional artists but really it's just a bunch of neets who follow each other and have never talked to each other in DMs. I'm just talking about this once specific group of artists, I don't know how it is in other circles.
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Considering you exploded in only one year and still having fun with it that means you're still green child. Watch that optimism fades away over the years when you witness "the artists I admired" either get called out left and right, or go completely offline due to online drama bullshit. Enjoy the high while you're still can.>>985786
when I check my analytics (Best follower of the month) I keep seeing 100k-200k accounts follow me, which I assume it's a normal amount on twitter these days.
I honestly think you're better off opening commission slots and in general just pricing your work accurately. In NFTs your profit isn't guaranteed and depends almost solely on networking, plus you do need to pay to mint your work in the first place. The NFT market loves to prey on people in your condition: desperate for money regardless of reason.
Price your work accurately, value what you do and open regular commissions or your adoptables.
It's all relative. To broke people like me, someone with $1,000,000 in the bank is well-off, but to that person, well-off means $10,000,000 in the bank, and so on. Just because $1m is a lot to you doesn't mean $10m isn't a whole lot more. If you have 25k followers but a lot of the artists you interact with have 100-200k followers, you are aware you are big account but not a huge
account. Especially when 500k accounts start following you, that's 25 time more followers.
NTA but I think what these anons are pointing to is how >>985843
stated that those follower numbers are normal for Twitter as a whole which one way or another is flat out disconnected from reality. These numbers are very relative yes, but you also need to be aware that you're in a situation that's already an exception to the norm and talking as if getting 100K followers was a "normal" thing to do kind of makes you seem no better than those rich people who go "oh but it's just a $1M car, no biggie". Numbers are relative, but if you want to be taken seriously you need to acknowledge when you're in an exceptional situation and that your experiences aren't the norm as well.
All of this to say, saying that it's common to be followed by 20oK artists is one hell of a subtle flex kek.
I was looking at some of PP's forums and it's more or less the same there where people say that want to be able to receive money anonymously but want to hide their real name and don't mind too much that their address is showing or wish to show part of their name and hide their address and mods on PP keep telling and linking people to make a business account which someone brings up while they do art they are not a business and therefore do not want to open a business account and then I think taxes will get in there somehow and perhaps she would need an LLC or something too.
I agree with some of the comments where PP should protect their users more and keep them safe with being able to hide their real name and use their display name handle for the other party's billing because their are some unhinged people on the internet. I really don't draw crazy like that to have it anything other than a hobby and making make some donations off it because I don't plan on making making any real profit from drawing.
The difference is simple: opening comissions has no upfront charges, while doing NFT does.
If your comission post flops the only thing you lose is the time it took for you to set up the post/charts. On the other hand, if you don’t sell your NFT you lose the gas and minting fees you paid to get it set up, possibly setting you back hundreds of dollars with nothing to show for it (other than the risk to your reputation.)
Besides, nft isn’t any more reliable than comissions, it depends even more on connections and sucking up to the right people, with the additional pain of having to draw the stuff that appeals to bitbro sensibilities.
You’ll likely get more freedom by opening comissions by google forms, and picking the requests that dont look annoying to draw. Which is to say, why not try the old school method that won’t cost you hundreds in upfront cash first?
Honestly, if you're worried about ruining your reputation, make a anonymous side account for making NFTs. Quite a few artist are doing this also. Just change around your style a little bit maybe, and do it. Good thing, is that if you're work is very good, you'll have no problem making it in this space. Every artist I know who crossed over into NFTs, is currently selling pieces left and right, regardless of their number of followers. Also because the NFT space is really desperate for higher quality art. Also, if your work is good enough, you have a chance at making higher profits, and attracting the attention of major collectors, because of how early you are in this space. Less competition. My suggestion, is start out at opensea first, as you only have to pay once to mint a collection. Collections tend to catch more eyes, and sale more, over 1 on 1's, but thats changing. There's other nft sites, and blockchains you can mint on, like Solana,with RmRk, but ETH(ethereum) are more popular. Hope this helps.
I started out drawing niche, sometimes violent, nsfw because I was an edgy teenager that didn't care about what I was drawing as long as it got me attention and comms. Everything >>980856
said affected me too so I tried to set stricter rules but at that point I realised that instead of competing with thousands of artists online that charge pennies I could make better money with less effort a minimum wage job irl. I haven't touched nsfw art since.>>986650
Nta but this was an interesting post thank you
You sound incredibly stupid.>>986650>Every artist I know who crossed over into NFTs, is currently selling pieces left and right
Not really. Artists have to shill their NFTs constantly to stay afloat and hardly anyone buys it. They only ones making money are bitbros who bid on each other's pieces and suck each other's dicks. They don't even make art, they make retarded moid "collectibles" like those monkey avatars or bad 3d renders.
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Still can’t get over the fact the girl posting this is 12.
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Guys I’m trying to fucking understand
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Kids and autistic people should not legally not be allowed in certain online spaces, there should be more measures put in place
Cry louder. >>986811
That's no different than regular artist shilling to promote sales for merch of their work, patreons, or the constant e-begging for gofundmes/kofis. I'm speaking from experience, and what I've seen personally from other artist in NFTs. The only ones who really have trouble moving pieces are photographers, since a lot are cookie cutter, and artist who don't know how to market, of promote themselves, and likely don't have any experience in online art communities. If your work is good, or exceptional, you won't likely have any trouble moving pieces. And since there's a huge demand for quality artist, and especially for niche fandoms/art, like furry, if you are either of those things, you'll likely attract collectors very quickly. You don't have to have hundreds of thousands of followers either.
Either you're extremely stupid or purposefully trying to grasp at anything to justify your liking for NFTs (which is also incredibly stupid).
There's no demand for high quality art in NFTs because the bitbros who buy NFTs only want stupid collectibles, they literally don't give two shits about art quality, they take anything hence why it's so easy to just release some ugly ass AI-produced collectible series and sell it on NFT platforms. For normal artists to get a bidder on an NFT they pretty much have to turn into a shilling bot which is the case I've seen in pretty much all artists I follow that have decided to try NFTs: all they post now is "LOOK GUYS NEW ART DROPPED ON FUCKSEAS.ETH" over and over and over to the point it's not even worth it to follow them anymore. It's one thing to sometimes promote your store/patreon/ko-fi while posting doodles and art and other stuff in your acc, but it's a completely different level of bullshit when your account turns into nothing but a wall of "CHECK OUT MY NFT!" and nothing else. If anything these NFT artists sound as desperate as these E-beggers who go "guys im autistic black yellow blue megatronsexual minor with prosthetic legs and overweight living in uganda and i need money to buy a switch".
I've NEVER seen regular artists who do commissions beg and shill as much as NFT artists do.
awww, still salty? >>986909
There's literally no difference between e-beggers, and folks shilling NFTs. None. Both can be equally annoying. But at least one has the potential to earn some good money, by marketing themselves directly to a clientele, who actually has the income, and means to pay for their work. Whether its commissions or nfts,both are risky, and can cost an artist time, and money. Pick your poison.
This is all nothing more than conjecture, and your own biases. All you've delivered, is an emotional filled rant. NFT artist are no more annoying, than financially irresponsible individuals, constantly e-beggging, for constantly coming up short on the rent. There actually is a demand for higher quality artworks in the nft space, and especially that of furry artist. Why do you think NFT bros have been dming bug artist, as well as making hundreds of post discussing how to get more actual artist in the space? Now I may not agree with their methods, but it shows ghat there is a demand for such things. Theres teo sides of NFTs, you have of course the investor side, who only cares about pump and dumps, and the more seriois side of collectors, who actually want to purchase art collections, and collectables. As the economic conditions become more unstable within the next few years, more artist are going to cross over into NFTs. Theyre not going anywhere. Instead of being ignorant, and speaking on what you have no concept of, try actually learning about NFTs, and actuallu talking to artist who are as actually doing them.
PLEASE. It's almost always the same bullshit. NFTnon tries to churn out pro-NFT garbage, anons reply with the same old reasons as to why it's bad, NFTnon proves to be delusional and keeps repeating their garbage, and it loops on infinite.
Even milk related to NFTs end up being the same shit always.
Pretty much what >>987557
said. NFT collectors only buy NFTs for the sake of claiming something "unique" and recognizeable that they can then sell for millions in the future. It's much easier to create a ton of ugly as sin monkeys through AI generation that are guaranteed sales if they come from a well known clique or company than to put effort in art that's actually good while being completely nameless in the NFT market. I remember an anon (in this thread or the other) that said that NFT buyers have no standards for art, and that's true. They don't care about art, they care about clout, flexing and money, and that's it.
nah i find it weird as fuck too. i'm on my early 20s and pretty much grew up on the funky early internet and i remember how it was pretty much tabboo to post pics of yourself irl online even more if you were a kid.
there's also the fact that a bunch of these people use super filtered selfies where they purposefully look aesthetic or very attractive as a way to gather more engagement.
Just a personal vent, but I'm genuinely stressed about how my close friend doesn't seem to like… pick up art criticism or know how to improve.
We've both been drawing for a long time, and I don't mean to humblebrag or put them down, but my art has been a lot more successful and well recieved both online and irl and I know it bothers them. We've both started selling our art recently and when I was doing better they ended up in tears and started taking their frustration out on me. I just brushed it off at the time but there was literally nothing I could do, anything I could say to comfort them would have just been patronizing and snapping at them to pull it together would have just made the situation way worse, knowing their personality.
I do genuinely want them to improve but they seem so stuck in their ways that even just offerring small pieces of advice feels like pulling teeth. "Do some anatomy studies!" "I used to do them back in college, I already know anatomy…" "You should try using this brush now and then to change things up." "No, I know it wont look good if I try it, I want to use the one I always use." It'd be one thing if they just drew for fun but like I said, we're both starting businesses and also, oftentimes I wonder if they even have fun drawing because they barely do it without incentive and complain about it a lot. I want to keep moving forward and improving my art and keep the momentum of my business growing, but it hurts knowing my closest friend isn't happy for me yet refuses to listen when I try to help. We have almost the same amount of years of drawing experience but it's like they learned all their techniques in year one and never learned any new ones and it really shows.
>inb4 you're not really friends/stop being friends/etc
We've been close for over a decade, we easily support each other emotionally, mentally, and financially in tons of situations. Part of why it's so hard to talk about this with them is because this is the only thing that has ever been a downside in our friendship and I have no idea how to talk about it.
Anon, are you me? I had the exact same thing happen to me a couple of years ago.
It wasn't a super close friend of mine, but still someone I chatted with pretty regularly.
Not flexing in any way,but that friend really admired my art and would go on and on about how they wanted to draw like I did and begged for me to teach them how to do it. And I'd genuinely try to help, but they'd quickly deflect any piece of advice or criticism I'd give their art. "That's not the style I want to have!" "I don't draw realism though" "I already do studies!". There was no business involved, if anything this friend (now ex-friend) only wanted internet clout (I'm far from famous, but I get some nice engagement from my followers). In the end we drifted apart because I was sick of them constantly asking me to teach them, refusing to listen, then being passive aggressive or crying that "my art sucks!"
Since ending this friendship isn't an option…honestly? If I were you I'd call them out on this behaviour. Not in a mean or angry way, but make your side of the struggle known to them as well.
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I know iamlunasol has a lot of lolcow behaviour but isn't this too much ? Like stalking and recording without permission in con isn't that illegal? Zoomers Fandom is just plain insanity. I hate that most of nowdays fandoms are infested with these type of people.https://twitter.com/sanr10cr4zy/status/1468136919330856960?t=F1UX7fDJtLSd46cM28HfFQ&s=19
Sorry to hear about that experience, but it is comforting to hear other artists have gone through something like this. It's really hard to talk about because it can just seem like backhanded bragging, but I put a lot of work to get to where I am and I want my friend to be able to do so too, but it's hard when they just don't or won't listen and just feel sorry for themselves instead.
>If I were you I'd call them out on this behaviour. Not in a mean or angry way, but make your side of the struggle known to them as well.
Yeah, I think I will have to eventually. I'm just worried I will go about it wrong and somehow end up as the bad guy. From a just friend perspective, I want them to just have fun and be happy and to support whatever they make, but from another artist's perspective, I want them to realize that "getting good" takes real actual work and part of that is knowing how and when to take criticism and finding new techniques to keep improving.>>988389
I mean, I would love for our friendship to keep going for as long as possible, but it's definitely an elephant in the room sometimes and I just don't want it to destroy anything. She struggles with chronic depression and is particularly self hating and comes from a family that put her down a lot, so I understand why she was as upset as she was if she's putting her self worth into her art (she is), but it still hurts when I'm trying to be proud of my years of hard work and she can't fully celebrate with me despite being my closest friend.