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It's always the fucking same kek
Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learnhttps://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/
Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix Yoon
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Honestly, I love the old art style of romance novels. I currently lack the skills to do something like this, but I love the rendering and poses.
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To the artists who do commissions for commercial use, how much extra should I charge?
I've read some people charge 500% of the final price, but I don't know if that would be excessive or not.
The style I draw is like picrel, is not my art, but is a similar style.
you typed sage in the wrong field anon, just a note.
You should consult your client for their budget & use of your art (use of assets). Ask for royalties for prints. Etc. You can google up existing freelance artist contracts so that your client doesn't screw you over patent in the future.
Many might've seen this already, but I found this art price video is pretty helpful, although does children book illustrations.
Thanks! I'm a digital artist though so I'd have to brush up on my skills before I embarrass myself in public haha.>>971002
Conventions sound like a really cool idea but I'm from nyc so I think most events are pretty large scale (either that or I'm just not hip enough to know about the small ones)>>971015
Ah I forgot bumble wasn't just for dating! Thanks for the idea on art school events, I think it'll be pretty handy once COVID dies down completely.
^ this post right here anon. You’re a hobbyist rn, so you don’t have to worry about the “perfect” price for your work. Just getting started/making a name for yourself is good enough.
But If you want, You can also look up examples online, or if you want to go the extra mile look for artstyles similar to yours and base your pricing on it. Remember anon, if someone really wants it, they’ll pay for it
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Cleanse our souls and our eyes Serenity Sam
I’m a professional illustrator and own an iPad, wacom intuos pro and wacom cintiq 16.
I only use the iPad for sketching since I find even the 12.9” too small to work on comfortably. The cintiq I mainly bought because of the wacom brand name. The pen is fantastic but the screen isn’t that good, it’s a little dark and non-laminated plastic film. Overall the drawing experience is good but the cheaper competitors are definitely catching up and they will often have better screens (color gamut, lamination, etched glass etc). If I got another tablet I’d check them out before wacom and probably go for a bigger screen than 16” too.
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still waiting to see if any of this stuff ever gets proven
I vaguely remembered that he admitted he had traced in the past, and now he's on a "redemption" for it by catching tracers.
As for the interviewing, yeah, it is pretty dodgy but pretty much same tactics as any sensational journalist. When the target of his topic point refused an interview, he still made a video about them anyways, and went as far as painting them being unapproachable (strange, how people don't trust you since your channel is known for roasting other content creators).
As a much older artist who was somewhat involved with the newgrounds/animation crowd in the past, I just think this kid just needs better influence & peers instead of being surrounded by only nsfw artists.
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God is dead
I'm also a professional illustrator and I use a Wacom small, I've used it for 13 years now and never had troubles with it.I don't plan on changing it unless it breakes.
I personally prefer non-screen tablets, I think they are cheaper too, if you are just starting you wouldn't want to spend too much money on something you may regret getting. Just my opinion
Not a professional illustrator, but a designer who does illustrations as a hobby, and I second this.
I use my tablet both for my job and my illustrations, and I have a medium-sized Wacom Intuos Pro that's wuite the oldie and still works perfectly. It's very sturdy as well, I lost the count of times I accidentally dropped something on it yet it still worked as if nothing had happened. Back when I went to buy it I had taken a look at some screen tablets of the same size but their price was infinitely higher compared to the ones without screens, but I suppose that kind comes from personal preference too. I know some coworkers of mine who just can't use screen-less tablets at all, while others are the opposite.
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webcomic artist having a meltdown over webtoonhttps://archive.vn/9hi8J
as a fellow comic auteur I agree with this dude lol, this platform isn't for people who are serious about graphic novel and sequential arts.
I do feel bad for the kids who started out with webtoon format, and having to unlearn all this "mobile optimized" bs when they get published on prints later.
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oh yeah, webcomic vs webtoon artist bitch fight is still on going on this person's twitter apparently. it is hilarious to how the arguments reduced into petty QRTs now
man I'm glad im retired from social media, just bad for my blood pressure ngl
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we're reaching stupid levels of salt here
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omg anon your file name.
okay im still reading up and ngl id be friend with this person lol, the salty boomer energy
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Damn, what a twist. This is not what I was expecting
They mean full page layout VS infinite scrolling. Their argument isn't really that comics made in webtoons sucks, it's the forced format that people are breaking their necks over. And they're right, the infinite scroll format sucks ass. It's so inefficient and not versatile. If you want to do literally anything else with it, or read it on anything other than a phone,you can't without it looking like dog shit. It's not a boomer opinion it's just facts. >>974253
Full offense but why is it always the greasy people weeding their way into what they think is a poly relationship? She's doomed to fail, and fall back into her hole once she gets rejected, or fucks up. She was so desperate to show off her relationship so badly. TD isn't even 5 yrs into her marriage I don't think. Sounds like a hasty afterthought.
IKR they made pretty sound arguments imo, I'm too much of a coward to agree with them in public considering a lot of my mutuals operate on webtoon now.
I read up on the people replied to their thread, and there was one linking OP's webcomic to "dunk" as saying OP's arts aren't that great to put down webtoon artists (which is a low, low blow damn).
It's sad to see OP is a minority in this but really a lot of industry comic artists don't bother to fuck with social media when it's infested with mostly zoomers now.
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imagine being an artist with 222k followers doxxing another artist with 1k because she asked info about the $300 commission she wanted 3 months for
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I just checked that person's twitter, and they posted screenshots of the full conversation.https://twitter.com/velurbie/status/1462517153710710784
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here is the super amazingly intricate $75 sketch
Kek. The person themself even doxxed their email and private contacts.
Ok, but Honestly seems like a shit thing either way. The set price for the sketch is $75, so I understand why the artist didn’t compromise, yet the artist didn’t complete the full sketch- they said themself with the lighter that they didn’t add in.
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>>974764>you’re going to pay the full price for all my hard work on that 4 min sketch >commission examples for the sketch
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I haven't used that particular gouache but the Koi watercolors are one of my favorite cheap sets. The colors are vibrant and they flow well.
The biggest thing for painting is to use decent paper. For ages I thought I hated watercolors but it was just because cheaper paper doesn't handle paint well, even if it's for watercolor. Fabriano has a student grade option that has a bit of cotton in it, and for practicing it's been ok. The more cotton, the better, but it gets pricey quickly lol
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Apparently, HotGlossed changed the TOS after this all popped off. The sketch >>974764
is clearly nothing like >>974779
so I think the commissioner kind of has a point. https://twitter.com/velurbie/status/1462518698019860486
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>>974781> I think the commissioner kind of has a point.
Yeah, at first I gave the benefit of the doubt to the artist because I didn’t know them, or know what their art looked like
This artist is a scammer kek. I checked the comissioners Twitter and apparently this was her first time buying a commission. This woman is never buying a comission ever again kek
She's getting dogpiled by his 200k followers now.
I don't know either of the artists. Here's my perspective as someone who has been taking commissions for nearly a decade.
When I looked into the details, unfortunately I will have to side with the 200K followers artist. The commissioner mentioned about it was them "acting unprofessional" when there's no specifics about it except pointing to the TOS revision (from no refund to refund at sketch stage is sketch price).
I see the style stage is still similar to the sketch style sample, and artist should be allowed to charge at that price for a refund. It's the client who didn't want to take it up and listened to bad advice from friends which ended up making a false claims (which is historically fucking both sides of the client and seller since Paypal is such a bitch like that).
The two of them could've worked out in a bit communication wise. Otherwise just take back your $75 and leave lmao.
I use gumroad and itchio. I've seen some veteran comic artists have been posting their full comic in twitter thread recently too.
You can make a thread to post a first few pages of your comic as hook, then the final tweet to the thread would be link to your ebook storepage. Good luck anon!
I don't agree with the fact that large follower artists will have to act like influencers, in which keeping everything in private. The PP dispute is more complicated than that, as I've seen artists gotten their balance being froze and taken hostage by PP because of incident like these.
I'd like to know what kind of client I get to avoid working with in the future too, a whispernet/blacklist should be good enough.
They also aren't siccing anyone after anyone either. They are publicly warning other artists to take this commissioner. They aren't doxxed either as this is a commission account, not their personal facebook or real name or anything either. This is important in the community to share this knowledge and going and DMing every artist instead is way too much hassle. This proves a point to other people thinking of acting this way. The artist was reasonable imo. Neither of them are showing how many revisions he asked for, but from the sounds of it, it's a lot of details the guy didn't even give the artist to begin with and basically sounds like he has to start over. I would have put that in the back of the pile too, especially if I had some work prepped, like this was, before moving forward after approval from the commissioners. I don't know how many anons here take commissions, but starting from scratch sometimes means you have to be scrabbled back in line. He's still willing to do a more solid sketch with all the revisions for the original cost of his sketches, but the guy instead said he'd do that and then opened a full refund case even though the artist agreed to a refund except $75.
The commissioner is trash.
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TIL people are willing to wait 3 months or more for a commission
terms of service says commissions can take anywhere from a few weeks to a couple months and after 3 months the sketch isnt even finis
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heartmush is auctioning an adoptable with the starting price at $200 and autobuy at $600 …not a single bid yet: https://www.deviantart.com/heartmush/art/adopt-auction-open-updated-APPLE-BLOSSOM-898592272
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The review reminded me of that one (prince?) character from Deltarune and thought that was cute until I saw the full piece.
The legs, fuck auction someone please call an ambulance now.
I know I'm 3 days late but I'd figure I could give one more bit of experience. I recently bought an xp pen xp pen artist 12 2nd gen as my first screen tablet and my hopes are high. I've only ever owned wacom or huion so I'm excited to try out the new player. Never had bad huion driver experiences (probably because I don't own a screen tablet yet) but I find their pens very easy to break. Never ever ever let them fall off your desk. Once or twice is fine, but then it just breaks. I find wacom far too pricey for me now but at least their pens never broke on me.>>975185
I get commissioned by friends all the time and it's okay. It has to be people you trust for real I think, and when it's the case I always feel bad for taking their money. Friends tend to be more patient, and I appreciate that. I guess don't fuck with people who are antsy or are not financially responsible. I kept politely refusing this one (now ex)friend who was a furry who later on became homeless, I simply won't take money from friends who make it known how bad they are with their money.
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i personally use talons plakkaatverf gouache which i swear by, and i feel its much better than jelly gouache. sure its more expensive, but its much easier to clean, and so smooth.
i started off with regular watercolors though, and that really was a better starting point than jumping straight into gouache imo since it’s more forgiving.
if you wanted to get the royal talens set, i’d get the 5 tube set. thats more than enough for beginner.
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adding to this gloss artist, I was digging through their page and… who in the right mind would pay $200 for something in this style?
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Imagine looking like this and calling someone else a pedo and attacking then irl mean girls style over an anime ship lmao, I can’t https://twitter.com/iamlunasol/status/1462648036715286535?s=21
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>This thread has already descended to 'this art piece isn't worth the price! what's supply and demand?'
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use screenshots not links
that said, even though iamlunasol can be a cow this is insanity. who tf goes that far and then calls someone else
the bully? How do you threaten someone else with physical harm and then try to give them "a gift" and act like they're a bully because they didn't want to open a box you probably had some sort of knife in or tampered with?
iamlunasol is definitely a cow but zoomers (and middle schoolers) wanting to hurt her and then chickening out is definitely funny. There are several raging literal
middle schoolers in her replies at all times, she even did a colossalcon texas recap thread and they were there too. I thought twitter users were all about deleting kneecaps what happened?
My boyfriend offers partial or full. A lot of people outright pay in full because they know how commissions work, but around holidays, partial and then the rest before sending full files with proper quality, is a good route too. Just make sure you don't send all the original files before getting the finished payment. Put a watermark over a preview of the final product, get the other half of the commission, and then send everything without watermarks. Also creating a full sheet with all the info you need is important. If you are worried about deadlines, you could let people know that you will take people and finish in the order you get them, but also be clear that the receipt time is a minimum X-amount of weeks. This way people can't pretend they don't see that as it's on your main promotion sheet. Also adding in "no refunds" is a good one. If you do all your sketches at once, I would still keep the line in which you got your slots, and finish the sketches into finals in that order instead of skipping around. This also eliminates you working on too many things at once and since you have approved sketches, you'll be ahead in the next commission once you finish the first slot commission. I hope that made sense.
They agreed on a concrete sketch after the initial requests to a rough sketch that the commissioner never even mentions those details to begin with. I have a feeling at this point your self posting because the logic you are throwing around is absurd and highly stupid. They agreed to refund $225. Instead, the commissioner decided to possibly lock up the artist's way of making money by opening a false claim, when they already agreed on the artist keeping $75 for a paid sketch. The fact that they did the false claim is absolutely a reason to change ToS. They were going to keep the original ToS for this guy until he fucked the artist over. Of course, he'd change it after that. That's exactly what anyone with ToS do when they have a customer who completely disregards everything for selfish, clout chasing, reasons. This is a case of one person ruining it for everyone else. Now no one gets the chance of any refund because this person wanted to be a selfish piece of shit.
There is nothing the artist did wrong in this. It's a pissy brat who thinks they can fuck with an artist and I'm so glad they got called out in the community. The fact that they were pussy enough to even do a paypal claim and put the artist's livelihood at jeopardy, is the most pathetic thing possible. There's an unspoken rule that you don't pull that shit in the community and this little bitch did just that. I hope they get blacklisted and people deny them commissions.
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Here's the reference they gave. I would've also interpreted the arrow for the turtleneck to mean they want the whole top to be a turtleneck and even in their description they don't mention the hoodie. They specified a turtleneck. Also they didn't give much more in reference to show that that hair is made of cement and actual forever placement. The pose straight up looks like it's supposed to be. The hair in the face forward has the look of movement because it looks like it has movement as well from the posed character model. That's when a character sheet comes in handy which the commissioner should've had for something as detailed as needing arbitrary "1-2 inches longer in the back". I'll share the changes they wanted. This hyper-detailed stuff they wanted changed is annoying, this is stuff she should've thought about when prepping their request. They even admitted it's their first time commissioning, so it's not the artist's job to coach them on how to go about properly ordering a commission. Details like that need to be stated and her arrow and written in wants aren't description enough.
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If you're going to dig in about needing hair to touch the clavicle, Jesus Christ, actually put that information in instead of waiting for a sketch when these minuscule character details that make the character of so unique, should be written down and a back/side/front would be nice for people having to recreate the look. Not just an action shot where it looks like it's not on purpose, but instead of being an in motion hairstyle.
Nitpicking a bit here but the wording on that commission sheet… "i will not do certain characters i don't like the designs of" can't you just say, i dunno, "i won't draw questionable ideas/designs" or something instead, lol>>975876
can relate kek, i had a couple uncomfortable experiences with people who seemed way too eager to talk about nsfw topics at the slightest opportunity. Must be all that coom in the brain.
it was still the very rough sketch stage and the artist agreed to do the revisions for free anyways, it's not on the commisioner if the artist agrees.
also the artist never had any deduction of the sketch fee from refunds term when the client commisioned them, they made that up halfway through. https://twitter.com/velurbie/status/1462518698019860486?s=20(this is an imageboard. post screencaps)
I thinks it's more of a community policing thing. It's more like a verbal agreement among the community that you just don't do that and if you do, expect some serious blowback from said community. Basically, if you decide to go against the rules of said friend group you'll be kicked out of the group. If you don't mind that then there's really nothing stopping someone from just copying someone else's adoptables or closed species.
The thing is if someone really wants to have an adoptable or closed species, chances are that they also want to be apart of that community so they try not to do anything that would piss off said community.
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in what works is the left sketch the same quality as the right? making them pay the same price is ridiculous
It's a community thing. No one can stop you from making a character from a closed species without paying, but you won't be able to roleplay or interact with anyone from the community. And if you sell the adoptables, you can expect to be blacklisted everywhere and you won't be able to sell shit.
Adoptables are just like any other form of art commission. You're paying someone to get a cool drawing and a character design, and if someone copies it or heavily references it, it's just like someone copying a random commission and calling it theirs. Nothing happens if someone steals a piece of digital art, they just get called out and blacklisted and that's it.
This person is a nit picker, if they’re that specific about the drawing then they can draw it themselves. This is just a “move it a liiiitle more to the right….now a little more to the left…. oh Nevermind, to the right again” person. The artist should have been clearer about revisions beforehand, most artists either outright refuse revisions or limit it to 1 or 2. If not, they’re subject to being their client’s slave until the commission is up.
There are a LOT of reasons to avoid revisions, other than it adding more work to the artist. It often wrecks the drawings composition and destroys the artists flow.
What's a closed species?>>976264
What's a premium design?
I really don’t see that great deal of a difference, it is nothing to note. Whatever an artist includes in their portfolio or their price sheet is their BEST work, commissioners need to keep that in mind.
The artist cut them off dramatically, but when you’re a professional you grow the ability to sus out problem customers. Everything about the way the commissioner was talking and acting is manipulative, and by having them put the artist on blast like that it totally proves the artist was 100% correct in their suspicions. If they would have continued to indulge the commissioner with their requests it would have never ended. This is only the sketch stage and they’ve already requested extensive minuscule changes, imagine how many changes they would ask for in the color stage? They would be likely to say something like “after seeing this in color I don’t think the pose is working”, it happens many times. Artists need to be assertive to survive.
Basically someone creates a "species" which fall into specific visual characteristics. It's a closed species when the artists asks that no one outside of the adopted community draw it (which I think is retarded). So say I draw a species of bear-like animals. They have antennae, their coats can have specific patterns, and specific colors etc. I made the design as the original creator, and someone adopt that's bear-like animal. No one is allowed to draw their own
bear-like animal, only me, until they adopt one from me. After they adopt, that design is theirs to do what the want with. Draw, role-play, etc. Most of the time you're "not allowed" to make changes to the design. A premium design would be a bear-like creature but with extra shit. So a bear-like with wings, which is "rare" in the bear-like species.
regardless if its nitpicky moving the hair is something that can be fixed with the lasso tool and the hoodie is a misunderstanding that can be fixed with 10 freaking strokes.>Whatever an artist includes in their portfolio or their price sheet is their BEST work, commissioners need to keep that in mind.
On a portfolio sure but not as samples?? right pic isn't even what they advertised, there's even more of a difference compared to >>974779
i think if they were nice enough to be ghosted by the artist for at least a month and not ask for updates and then only getting a very halfdone sketch, the commissioner has the rights to ask for a couple revisions and even ten, it is the artist who agreed to those revisions and didn't tell the commissioner that they would be pushed back on the priorities list until the commissioner themselves asked for an update aa month and a half later.>>976305
also if it was their portfolio then i'd agreed somewhat but those examples are from their commissions information site, i.e. where they're meant to show commissioners what theyre to be paying for.
the artist is absolutely the shady one here by randomly making up the no sketch refund rule months after accepting the commission, not telling the commissioner their work was gonna be pushed back, and then demanding $75 for a sketch that do not match the sketches that artists themselves value as $75
>>976340>could be fixed in 10 fucking strokes
You don't know that. >could fix the hair with the lasso tool
No, that's hilarious, you do not use the lasso tool in line drawings. You could not, it needs at least partially redrawn or it would look like shit.
>On a portfolio sure but not samples?
Samples are the same thing as a portfolio, it is just a representation of their work.
I am not at all seeing what you're seeing in the difference of quality. The only difference between their sample sketches and the given sketch is 1) the hand is unfinished. However, in the sample sketches there aren't many hands drawn at all, and 2) There is no hatching.
Personally, I think that the sketch the commissioner received is of BETTER quality than what their samples are. Those samples just aren't very nice, clearly the artist is a better painter. >>976344>i think if they were nice enough to be ghosted by the artist for at least a month and not ask for updates and then only getting a very halfdone sketch
I agree with this, but we don't know what kind of interactions the artist had with the commissioner beforehand. Maybe the commissioner was very pushy from the get-go .We simply don't know. However, based off of the artist's behavior, I would guess that the artist really did ghost them for three months, in which case, shame on them.
>>976344>even 10 revisions
Sorry double post- that's insane and ridiculous, don't post that kind of thing here because you're setting up an unreasonable precedent.
No commissioner is entitled to that many revisions unless they PAY for them, and even then, revisions wreck artwork.
The reason for pushing a commission down the list when they are asking for revisions is to make ends meet.
Freelance artists have rocky, uneven schedules. No freelancer ever gets up at 9 am and works till 5, Mon-Friday and has weekends off.
They work 0 hour days to 16 hour days and everything in between, completely at random.
If a commissioner is giving them trouble an stringing them along, they have to finish a different commission that will pay them faster in order for them to pay their OWN bills on time. When the artist is going through a dead week, then they can pick up work that is slower to complete.
Its not an absurd concept, it is how every freelancer works, whether its for art or something else. The way the artist said it was just rude.
it's not, a portfolio is to showcase your overall skills but samples, with a price attached no less, are there for the artist to tell people "this is what i myself value at $75, this is what you'll be getting for $75", they can't just give them a lesser quality piece of work and say "well my samples are my best work, sorry pal, that'll be $75"
also what are you talking about 2 of the samples has hands. and the big difference is how much cleaner that samples are, there is no inner build up lines and the lines are more refined.
i looked at his sketch process vids on twitter and i stand by my word that its not a hard fix for a "professional". it's not lineart either it's a sketch for a painting. you dont need to have perfect lines for that–and evidently glossed didnt care about that either, look at all the stray lines and guidelines left in that sketch>the only difference between their sample sketches and the given sketch is 1) the hand is unfinished. However, in the sample sketches there aren't many hands drawn at all, and 2) There is no hatching.
so you do admit there's a difference
Okay, so are you saying that the samples are NOT examples of their best work?
That's literally all I'm saying, and for some reason you're disagreeing with me. Why would an artist put up their sub-par sketches as samples?
>the other ones have hands
My bad, the first doesnt and it just looks like shit.
I may just have a difference in opinion, but I much prefer the sketch that the commissioner received that has the interior lines. I don't like their "cleaned up work", it looks bad.>>976398
I agree, unprofessional of them for sure. I can see why the commissioner was pissed.>>976407
I agree, but at this point literally who cares. Yeah there's a slight difference, both of them are being incredibly petty scrounging over the difference.
A photo upthread literally has the artist explaining they were willing do do their basic %75 sketch and refund the other $225. The commissioner agreed to that then opened a PayPal claim. Everything was laid out properly. The commissioner is just a fucking dumbass and I hope they get blacklisted to hell and back.
Also, the artist never doxxed the commissioner. Publicly calling out isn't the same as doxxing. What's possibly doxxing is that the commissioner posted their PayPal email address to the public instead of blacking it out in their image posts. Like, seriously.
This goes into labor. These pieces aren't done in 30 minutes and they are just upcharging you. Cheap people need not get commissions because this mentality is so shitty for contractors. >>976349
We don't even know where they were in line to begin with. The commissioner thinking that they are first in line, even after the initial agreement where the artist stated "This might take a while but I can find time for you", that was lenient as all hell. The commissioner knew going in to this they weren't priority, and then they decided to be nitpicking as hell after a WIP for approval. It's also not the artist's job to be the one checking in. The commissioner did the right thing checking on where their commission status was and the artist gave them an answer. They weren't at a new stage they'd have a reason to contact the commissioner. Then it would be even more weird on their side to be popping in and saying "Just to let you know, I haven't started it yet!" Like, why? That's not useful in any way to either parties. >>976379
They weren't even specific in their original request. Those are a lot of revisions for things they didn't make clear they wanted. The hoodie thing really throws me because all they did is specify they wanted a turtleneck for clothing and an arrow pointing to the torso. None of that shows they wanted the hoodie too. >>976398
Yes they did. >>976421
They do. There is a difference between their sketchwork and their WIP work and people in this thread are using sketch to mean the same thing in here when it doesn't.
where did the commissioner agree to this?>>976585
no? the commissioner wanted a refund and the artist just said they were only gonna refund $225 i don't think there was any screenshots were the artist said they were keep working on the art to make it a stylized sketch instead. what the commissioner wanted was to cancel the commission altogether but was willing to pay $45 for the wip sketch but the artist wanted the full stylized sketch price withotu ever saying they were gonna continue working on it.>>976590
where did the artist ever tell the commissioner they were gonna push back the commission? prior to the commissioner themselves asking for an update i mean
And they also said they'd take that refund for the sketch instead. >>976709
The issue is that it is very specific things that the commissioner didn't make clear. Arrows pointing to things isn't as clear as you think.
Just charge for revisions after the painting stage.>>976723>specific things that the commissioner didn't make clear. Arrows pointing to things isn't as clear as you think.
The reference was pretty clear, and if the arrows weren't clear enough there was nothing stopping the artist of asking the comissioner about it before starting the sketch.>>976736
Where? They only said they put the comissioner in the end of the priority list after 2 months of waiting on the revisions of the sketch.
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where in any of this do they say theyre not priority or theyre squeezing them in? if anything this basically says they finished the first batch of comms and is now finding more to take on
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posting here Jillian's drawing vs her "alter's"
This is the shit that happens when you fuck around for 3 months after someone pays you 300 dollars
I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often tbh
I wasn't given any revision sketches or anything like that btw so I don't have anything to show for it other than trust issues for comissioning artists,because I have not gotten a comission since then, first and last ime
but what I asked and paid for was a drawing of an OC I had, it was a headshot in a painterly style iirc. I don't remember how much I paid for it, but I do remember it was extra money I had so I didn't negotiate prices or anything and I paid in full.
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here, do tell me if you need me to circle the $45
I had the Sakura Koi set for years and it was fine enough, but I recently upgraded to Holbein's 18 set of watercolours and I much prefer it. There's no granulation, the colours are vibrant, even, and consistent, which was not always the case with the Sakura Koi colours. Most pans in the 48 set I had sucked tbh. I put some of the Holbein watercolour into a palette case and use it like the pans in the Koi set. Koi sets come in an unnecessary quantity too which I advise against. As a novice I did not know better that there's no need for that many colours. Mixing from a smaller number of higher quality paints is superior than getting many cheap colours.
Miya Jelly gouache is fine enough too, if that's all I had I would probably use it more. But I dislike how bulky the container is, it's really not portable and it's quite messy. It can also get moldy apparently which is disgusting. And it's gross once it dries and gets all crackly then you have to re-wet it. Just not a pleasant experience even though the paints are good quality for the price.
I also picked up the Holbein Acryla Gouache with the watercolours and I enjoy using those more for similar reasons, better consistency and more vibrant colours.(Acrylic gouache is different from regular gouache like the Jelly gouache. Acrylic gouache sets once dry, regular gouache is still moveable when re-wet. I know Holbein makes a regular gouache too but I've never tried it as I'm not interested in it.)
I've given away both paints for the Holbein stuff and am not looking back or elsewhere. I do paint professionally but honestly even as a student or novice I would recommend these paints because their quality and usability is that good. They are also not too expensive, just at about the higher mid range. If I had the chance to do it over again I'd just go straight for these paints to begin with and skip over the student/hobby grade stuff. It's worth it for making your life easier and not dealing with the noticeable downsides.
Talens gouache like other anon said. Best I've used so far. Good idea is to start with 10 color tube set and later get primaries or earth colors if used a lot in 50ml jars (black, white, yellows, reds, blues is the best option) and others in 20ml tubes/16ml jars.
Great coverage, velvety and smooth after drying. Extra fine label is true, pigments are properly ground and I rarely get big pieces of pigment in my paint.
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got screencaps? I saw similar similar situations a few weeks ago where japanese artists got fake emails from twitter support, in which clicking the link will cause their account to be hijacked
Yeah, even the dude in this cap >>977754
said that upon further inspection the design of the email was completely off and that he was too naive.
I guess they targeting non English speakers so can fall for it more easily due to language barriers
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More japanese artist accounts seem to be getting hacked and turned into platforms to promote NFTs…
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Art channel Art Senpai that has over 100k subs traces art apparently. And they even sell their traced art as commissions. Originally heard about it on this subreddit https://www.reddit.com/r/arttheft/comments/r1u9dw/artsenpai_an_artist_with_108k_subs_on_youtube/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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Sorry for double posting but this is the original art they traced
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Hopefully some twitterfag compiles a list of all the traced vs original art and art drama channels pick up on it. His tutorials look like absolute garbage.
Its because Japanese artists often have their contact email in their profile on twitter resulting in the scam emails they get looking a lot more legit because they will see an email with their actual twitter @ and name in it and especially due to not being native English speakers.
I've tried to bring attention to this but eh not much I can do besides explain it every time it happens so more people understand why its happening.>>978015>>978019
Mix of both, there are a lot of twitter bots atm who will spam replies with url links and stuff if you say words like NFT and HACKED together.
Kudos on the redditor to find the original art he traced from, unfortunately from my perspective the only way to confront this is to contact the artist he stole from, leave it to them to whether take action or not, and move on.
Art thefts and tracers are morally corrupt but unfortunately there's nothing we can do but point out their patterns and warn to others.
I've seen again and again artists with "tracing" part of their past didn't hinder career at all and still being hired to draw for big projects. It is unfortunate that most people don't care.
Ah, I understand, seeing people who's apparently 13 drawing decently can be disheartening for someone who's starting, but try the ignore them, also it wouldn't surprise me if some are lying about their age for attention.
Secondly, you should pinpoint wich style you'd like to archive and set up a folder of references, maybe a picture that you like the colors/shading technique of or a drawing that has a character doing a cool pose.
When I started drawing I proposed myself to draw AT LEAST one head/body per day, it doesn't matter if they end up looking like shit, the idea it's to have constance. You'll improve pretty fast if you don't let yourself get rusty and practice everyday.
Well, good luck! and don't compare your begging with someone's middle
It literally doesn't matter. As long as it's not a random string of numbers or letters that can't be pronounced like a word it'll be fine. But also don't pick something like AnonDraws or whatever, those are super lame. Just choose whatever you like>>979036
You have to remind yourself that everyone kind of sucks, even people that you think are great will have these thoughts. Like >>979066
said, think of what you want your art to look like and try to figure out the necessary steps to get there. Focus on what you think needs work, but don't forget to put that studying into practice! You can copy masters for hours, look at skeletons all you want, but if you can't put these things on paper on your own, without having to look anything up, it doesn't have much value imo. Well, it honestly depends on what you want to achieve in the end. I guess if your goals are photorealistic portraits for instagram you're better off just copying pictures
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no milk just salt. I have a misfortune of running into kaneblob's nsfw account because of twitter suggestion side bar.
How do I delete this information from my brain, the porn isn't even gross or anything, it's just bad, her art is just bad, please go back learning the fundamentals before drawing anything else please holyshit. That's all my rant.
just go to @kaneboob
and yes it's basically just badly drawn genshin girls, maybe I was actually spared because I don't know any of these characters and have zero emotional attachment to them to have any further disgust.
cant wait to see her fully brainwashed by coomers and have her arts deteriorate even more
Oh so it's the one pic I saw. I just noticed the leg behind the fingerjob giver… what the fuck.
I would hate that artist for her extremely 00s nickname already, ~hehe I am a smol blob(fish)~. Why are female weeb artists like this
Tons of marketing. Free to play MMO, for most weebs it's their first MMO. Available on multiple platforms and in multiple languages. Watered down similarities with breath of the wild. Gacha and mechanics designed to draw you in and spend, sunk cost fallacy, fear of missing out.
I tried getting into it several times, but I just find other series more romantic/tragic or just sexier with the designs.
I've seen a lot of people praise its story but honestly at this point i'm 99% convinced it's them in denial and are just becoming slaves to the gatcha and the characters alone. I tried playing genshin after literally all of my friends jumped on it and almost all of the artists I followed for inspiration started to draw exclusively genshin fanart, I wanted to see what the jam was about.
It was like any other open world japanese fantasy RPG except done of the designs were interesting. Overdesigned to hell and all characters have the same face and body. Like, I found two memorable at best. The world itself is boring too. But like many other anons said it's most of gen z's first gacha and it's free.
I'm really getting tired of the oversaturation though. I've blacklisted all genshin words I could to keep it fromappearing on my TL but some still appear regardless.
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It's a good sign that you are aware of the flaws in your work. The next step is to work to resolve them by studying both life and how more skilled artists tackle them. This image gets brought up a lot but it's true. Art really is a cycle of your eye being ahead of your abilities, your abilities catching up but then your eye becoming better. It never ends but through this process you will become more and more skilled. The only way to "deal with sucking" is to work on improving.
for everyone, outside of the context of this thread. I don't want to spread the idea that you need outside validation to enjoy and make art. My point isn't about individuals and whether or not you like what they've created. Art is for everyone and it doesn't matter if you like it that way or not.
Artist who used to draw softcore and risque stuff only but started to draw porn because of higher pay here.
After I started drawing NSFW commissions, it pretty much took over my regular commissions. At some point for each normal, SFW commission I'd do I'd have 3 NSFW ones waiting in the oven. I got some nice money from it, but just like in your case I felt like it made my art stagnate a little. Mostly because I'd get commissioned to draw very similar scenarios, always. Naked boob girl posing, naked boob girl lying down, occasional naked bara man just standing there with his dick out. I'd rarely ever get insteresting poses or scenarios and due to the sheer number of commissions I'd have to do (okay, that's on me for taking too many commissions at a time, but I was a little desperate and admittedly a bit greedy back then) I'd rarely have time to draw art for myself and actually try new things.
It also disensitized me to porn a lot as well which…feels bad. Drawn porn barely turns me on nowadays, it's just all the same to me and it makes me feel a bit upset and frustrated because looking at porn illustrations just earns no reaction from me compared to the days I exposed myself less to that type of art.
Adding to everything, it also earned me a bunch of coomer followers. Do they pay well? Yup. But at the same time, eugh. I've had a commissioner keep asking me to draw this one character with bigger breasts and ass and thighs more and more and the end result barely looked human, I felt like I was creating a Sakimichan-tier abomination. I feel like drawing this type of anatomy (which was highly requested in my case, I almost never got commissioners asking for more "natural" anatomy on character) gave me some nasty vices regarding my anatomy skills that I'm trying to fix now.
Sorry for the obscenely long sperg but that's my story. I went back to taking just softcore commissions as well as SFW now. I get less money than in my full NSFW commission days but it feels…better? I dunno how to explain, but I feel happier nowand my art is slowly improving again. Still no arousal from looking at drawn porn though :c permanent damage…
>>979639>basing what one should do with their life based on what other people think.
Have you ever done anything in your life for personal fulfillment? Do you know what self actualization and fulfillment even feels like? It's pathetic to drop something because of what other people think. It's pathetic to drop something because it isn't "useful", but art has utility and that is why millions of people still get paid to create it nonetheless. Anyway, I know you are being disingenuous because every person on the planet has encountered pieces of art that has spoken to them and that they understand and cherish deeply.
Hint, the point of art is to not achieving a "final phase of mastery". Grow up and stop being a crab in a bucket.
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how could you not like this
I do, but honestly, it hasn't really affected the way I view art.
I curate my feed to really only keep art on it that I enjoy (which is pretty niche anyways) even if it isn't as "exciting" as the first time I saw it. It's just all stuff I enjoy and as long as I enjoy it, I keep it on my feed.
NSFW tends to be soul-sucking if you only do it for the money. The nsfw i do doesn't arouse me cause it's generally not my kink, something I find personally appealing,etc. I found myself stagnating whether I did NSFW or SFW because regardless of the clients, you tend to get asked to do very similar things so you have to find time to actually work on your skills and/or things that you personally like. >>979706>>979717
Those things are not really permanent. Sexuality like everything else has moods and fluctuations. There are times where the stuff I'm into arouses me, other times it doesn't. Usually, it just means that I'm not in the mood to personally see/experience it, not that you are "damaged" and need to seek something more extreme. It just means you need to seek something different.
Commission artist here who does SFW and NSFW commissions.
I agree with anon above^ for doing any kind of commission will make your art stagnant, not just NSFW ones.
My suggestion is to take break from doing commissions here and then and focus on what you
really want to draw. What has inspired you lately and is there any art style you want to achieve, that sort of thing.
I am someone who changes style a lot because… drawing the same thing all year round is Soul Sucking no matter what.
If you already have a supply of clients, hand pick which one you enjoy working with instead of having to work for the same person whose demands aren't to your likings.
As for the topic of "not having arousal when doing nsfw commission", I hate to break this to you but you're not supposed to be always
aroused when drawing for someone else. I'm speaking from an experience of someone who does erotic graphic novel too. In the end of the day it's still a combination of skills and observations from other erotic media you studied from, it's an art.
Doing things like art is worthwhile even if you’re not amazing at it. Activities are meaningful as long as they bring you personal fulfillment, and many people’s feelings of fun and fulfillment are not dependent on being good or bad at it.
Only pursuing activities that you excel at (instead of what you’re passionate about) is a really miserable way to go about life. Are you 17? You sould really angsty and immature, I hope you get a better worldview soon.
I think that's different because it's out of your own interest and no one is forcing them to draw it, so I guess the effect it ends up having on a person's mind depends on their own personality>>979900
Same, it's kind of amazing to me how they can keep thinking of new concepts and compositions or even comics to draw with the same few characters.
anon above you
i've seen sfw artists stagnate because they get asked to do the same portrait comps over and over again and still get burnt out. Not sure why people think it is nsfw specific or something exclusive to that. You also have to consider a lot of clients really are kinda generic in their tastes, most people don't commission artists to "give them a challenge", they commission artists because they want the artist to draw for them. If you want a challenge, draw for yourself, don't expect your clients to set it up for you. most "challenging" clients end up being a pain in the ass to work with judging from what people in previous threads have said about difficult clients and part of my own experience.
and i agree, you're drawing something for someone else. It's work. Even when I am drawing for myself I don't feel aroused all the time. I just draw stuff I find personally arousing or erotic even if when I'm drawing
it I don't feel that way.
It is also difficult to feel horny while also trying to focus on drawing just like it can be difficult to be excited and wanting to jump around but trying to focus on doing art. Hell, I can't even do vent art when I am sad without it just looking terrible and like I put no effort into it.
I've done a few NSFW commissions and found I improved a lot with character interactions because I drew couples having sex, instead of just pin-ups. I can see how pin-ups could get boring real fast, but drawing actual sex was fun for me. Women were commissioning me for a specific m/m ship so I didn't have to deal with disgusting male coomers either.
If you want to take on NSFW commissions only draw subjects that interest you, reject anything that makes you uncomfortable.
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This is a personal cow of mine that's constantly trying to "get big" on Twitter, constantly boosting her work in a passive-aggressive manner, and constantly complaining when it flops. She seems to blame most of her lack of success on the twitter algorithm and the fact that she's "disabled". Of course, all of this disregarding the fact that she traces shit constantly.
Also, from what I've heard she seems to have scammed multiple people out of $200+ commissions. All around just a terrible person.
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I'm guessing people just don't recognize the art—I'm not the one who originally found it, so I had to do some searching, but it looks like the original artist is Meabhd on tumblr.
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NTA I checked her page and the art still up.>>980381
This woman is 31 and honestly she reminds me of a lot of other ~*artist*~ that are 30+ and obviously ex-tumblr with all their passive aggressive language.
TeePublic auto DMCA strike posts that are tagged with Marvel or any other Disney affiliated shit if merch page itself is tagged with the name of the franchise. Not because of your "uh muh my popular art theyre robbing me".
I recently started doing it nonnie
, mostly softcore stuff though since my client base aren't complete degenerates (yet). They mostly want to see their yaoi OCs cuddling each other or something. I do enjoy drawing softcore not because it turns me on but it's a fun way for me to practice anatomy, posing, fabrics etc since i'm less inclined to post it publicly so i associate it with free time lol.
Commissions of any kind is to some degree of "soul sucking" to me, like the other anons already said, it's all about your capacity. And there is only so many ways you can potray sexual activities, lol. Why do you think weird ass porn like perverse family exists.
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Essentially draw only men and average to very buff men. I would say lanky but you'll find the coomers who want "trap/femboy" bullshit that will slide into troon stuff. Pic is what I'm thinking.
(Idk who it is)
Oops I meant to respond to >>980624
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SFW with NSFW on the side here, I mostly get women clients for my commissions. I get a good share of m/m ship commissions for my generic otp fan art of the month from a popular game/manga.
Be careful of attracting zoomers, and ones with "transmen in yaoi" agenda in their page. You can't filter them all out, though there's no harm in doing a routine mass blocking of unfavorable people. This is healthy for the relationship with your fujo audience and your content curation wise.
And don't forget to have fun anon!
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I'm afraid of attracting zoomer aidens who will get offended over something random
If you want to avoid zoomers, then dont draw any genshin impact. It's such a cop-out.
Speaking of cop-out, unrelated, but has anyone noticed how many artists have been trying to be vtubers or streamers lately? The vtuber trend used to be worse months ago, but it feels like every time an artist starts streaming regularly, it's always 1 hour of art and like 5 hours of gaming.
They can do whatever they want it's just annoying that it's all they talk about for months on end. I'm not personally interested in streaming but I do understand it to be a good way to cultivate an audience if you're big enough. It just feels like everyone unrealistically wants people to watch them game for hrs on end and hope for handouts.
You can't avoid aidens if you draw bl, draw otome stuff if you want less of an aiden audience.
But whatever you draw, ignore their whining.
Why do you want that? And yeah he would
be bad wouldn't he?
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anon are you a hetalia fujo
I used to do nsfw comms for a living before my depression got too bad to draw. It's miserable, and at least for me, being constantly exposed to men's sexual fantasies, some of which horrifying (I had people ask me to draw children, or snuff or zoophilia, like didn't even ask if I drew that, just fired off explicit descriptions, sometimes with references) was really harmful. Plus it's not actually that much good money, If you want to make a living from it, you have to draw pretty much constantly. It's kind of like onlyfans, in that they tell you it's good money, but it's actually only the 1% getting paid good money, the rest is fighting over each other for scraps.
Yeah, a couple of my artist friends tried to get into the vtuber scene mainly after Inanis appeared. I think only one or two continued, the rest just stopped after the trend calmed down.
It was so annoying tho. Suddently everyone and their grandma had vtuber avatars and tries so so hard to be the next vtuber sensation with shitty character designs and personalities.
I've thought about commissioning/learning to make a simple cartoony (not anime) rig. not to be a vtuber - it wouldn't be a character z
- but to make art streams more interesting without showing my face. would that be worth it? ps I am very ignorant and have no idea how to make a rig or how much they would cost
honestly idk the prices for rigs, most i've seen were pretty expensive but again they were fullbody vtuber rigs. maybe go in prepared for a salty price just in case. i reccomend paying someone to make you a rig rather than learning yourself, that shit seems tricky af.
it's totally fine if you wanna use an avatar just because you don't want to show your face, but only if you occasionally converse with your audience from time to time otherwise it'll be just your avatar sitting there in silence. other than that it's a nice idea.
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Anons, I have a question. How do all indie otome games have the same style of background like the picrel? Sometimes the game will have sloppy character art but this specific kind of background. Do they just buy assets?
Indie otome devs either buy packs (basically everyone uses Minickle's backgrounds specifically; all of these are 3D backgrounds), make bad 2D backgrounds themselves or commission a specialised 3D artist (only if they have plenty of money/got crowdfunded, as good custom backgrounds are very expensive).
Even some professional otome (as in, Otomate, Voltage and the like) buy some packs, too.>>981095
there's no "easy" way, and there aren't actually a lot of artists that are good at this since it requires having a large library of assets, being good at a 3D software and being good at lighting. But it's a really valuable skill to learn if you're interested.
I take pictures everywhere I go, specially when I’m traveling, because I know that if I ever want to make a visual novel, I will have background pictures that I took and that nobody should get mad at me for using them.
I like mixing real life backgrounds with obvious drawn characters, so I like the contrast a lot.
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Everything about this is comical
>NFT shill who bragged about making hundreds of thousands of dollars is ebegging
>donation goal: $150,000
>openly talking about the details of the lawsuit
>source for the guy being a pedo and sexually assaulting people is just a link to a tweet of hers from 2019
>Jisu getting clowned on in the replies for ebegging instead of making more NFTs or taking commissions
I assume you never saw the ice cube skype conversation, nonny
I've doing illustrations with a style similar to league of legends splash art. I fucking hate that game and it's fanbase but I love the art. Damn it
The version of photoshop I currently use is pirated as fuck kek.This is why I'd like to switch to a software with a license.
>>982761>is being a twitter artist as fun as it looks?
not really lol. You have a lot of artists latching onto you trying to use your 'fame' with asinine public interactions because that's what they're taught networking is. When you see big accounts interact, don't think they're buddy buddy on the daily. Also, some randos can grow a parasocial obsession with you, even if you don't post about your life at all, and if you have some unclean internet history, it will be brought against you.
It is the best site so far to get commissions/work with indie devs, but it's not life changing; if I could go back, I would have given all this time to make a youtube channel instead>how long did it take to build your following
3 years, but I don't do animations or nsfw, which are what really skyrocket your numbers>Whats the secret (besides pandering)
you don't have to join trends, in fact it's best to start by drawing niche things with dedicated fans, but you have to post consistently. When I started I posted a drawing every single day for 2 whole years, mostly 1hr doodles. It helps to keep a clean account, new followers love to look through your art
Large-ish by how much exactly?
I don't have large following but have a dedicated small enough number that carried from other social media to my twitter.> is it fun?
nope, I'm constantly bored but I also don't want to draw.> how long is it?
probably nearly a decade with long hiatus on and off.> what's the secret?
do what you want and don't get swept up with the attention people give you at the moment.
i don't have a 100k account but i have a large fanart account for my current fandom
pros: making money selling to your audience
cons: insincere interactions, people only interact with you because you have a large following not necessarily bc they like you (or even your art), weirdo followers who hate you and are waiting for you to fuck up and drag you, harder to interact normally with your actual friends and mutuals because thousands of people are watching, you end up second guessing all your tweets
if I could make money with a smaller following I would trade that in a second
>>982761>is being a twitter artist as fun as it looks?
Nope, especially for a fandom artist it's not. I'm no professional artist, I just draw fanart for fun. But even then it's impossible to make friends with other artists who enjoy the same thing as you. There's cliques, and if you're not on the same level as the others, you're ostracized lmao
>how long did it take to build your following
To no one's surprise, my follower count sky rocketed the moment I drew nsfw of a popular gay ship in this one fandom that I'm in. And by that I mean I can easily get nearly 200+ new followers for each nsfw.
>Whats the secret (besides pandering)
In my case? It's definitely drawing nsfw. Like it doesn't even have to be fully rendered. Even a SKETCH will have these coomers pay more attention to your account than when you draw tasteful sfw stuff. 0/10 regret this, wish I can undo it all.
>>982761>is being a twitter artist as fun as it looks?
At first, yeah. When you don't have too much eyes on you. Just keep your ego in check and try to avoid dropping the quality of your work in favour of likes or instant gratification via tweeting.>Also how long did it take to build your following?
Popular fandoms = quick followers. People will consume anything that relates to their current fixation regardless of quality.
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Are really people that stupid? This guy is offering 'digital paintings'
when it's clearly a 3d model painted over.
It's funny because looking at other of their drawings it looks like the only things that looks pretty and well rendered is the face and the rest looks like it was done without a ref or it was rushed.
>>983742> sorry if this is a stupid question but it is for doing comms only on Kofi or donations as well?
i don't understand your question anon, can you elaborate more?
and no you can't stay anonymous via kofi donation either. I often send donations to scanlation groups and the receiver's real name still shows up in my notification email anyways. You should consider other options instead.
Yes I have separate accounts for different fandoms, and one for my professional art I put my name on. I would suggest doing this if you draw a lot of fanart for one fandom, it's easier to build an audience with a separate dedicated account. If you draw fanart for multiple different things or rarely at all I wouldn't bother making separate accounts
It's easy to handle multiple twitter accounts on mobile. Just log into your main account and add your side accounts, like having sideblogs on tumblr. Not sure if you can do this on desktop
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An artist named oni_core that was posted here before like a year ago got a thread made about them of all art she traced which includes payed commissions https://twitter.com/art_thef/status/1433802616274837505?s=20
most of the discourse relating to the algorithm is that when you post your art the tweet essentially has a 24h lifespan because its chances of getting attention after that timeframe are usually very low. it's less of a 'my tweets aren't reaching my followers' problem and more of a 'my tweets aren't getting enough general traction' thing.
granted, there are many whiny ass artists who love to blame the algorithm for everythig.
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I understand "I just want to do art and enjoy the process of doing art" but this reeks of picrel kek.
I just had wanted to know if I would be able to draw and receive money "anonymously". I would only be drawing my OCs and I do not draw enough to try and open a PP business account adding on to the fact that I will not be taking commissions but it seems either way with Kofi "being the middle man" despite choosing donations or comms they'll be able to see my full name etc.
Plus there's a whole other ball game with opening a PP business and I might have to do another set of taxes (didn't look it up much) that I wouldn't want to do if I may not be doing this long term. I can't remember if someone mentions that pateron doesn't show your credentials since they take a cut but I may have to look at that again and someone some threads ago mentioned pixiv so I'll give that a look
Might be a dumb decision but I’m planning to make a New Years resolution to grow my Twitter account that I made in September and neglected, so maybe I’ll report my results in a year. I’ve thought about doing a YouTube channel instead but I’m not 100% into the idea yet, maybe in the future.>>984444
I’m also wondering about this, I’d like to be able to take commissions in the future but I don’t want my real name getting out, but I’m also not sure if I’ll get in trouble for using a business account. I haven’t been able to find solid information about it.
I just did a quick review reading regarding paying taxes with Paypal. Apparently it doesnt matter if your account is personal or business, once you exceed 200 transactions and $20,000, Paypal will ask you to confirm your US taxpayer status.
I'm non-US and pay taxes on my own country so it's no problem, if anons are US residents you should look more into it.
please for the love of god do not lie about your age. For you whether the artists find out you'd get permaban but for the artists they're getting a higher risk of exposing adult contents to minors, and this isn't something they can hide from internet providers, depending on their countries it can go from fines to literally imprisonments.
Do Not Do This Shit.
i don't put my age in my bio since i don't like strangers knowing any of my personal info. i also don't really like talking to people and would rather just post art and look at art that inspires me.
lying about your age probably isn't a good idea considering how people who do that always get caught and can get into massive trouble. the experiment is certainly interesting anon but idk if it would be wise to actually put it to practice.
Never planned to use the “young” age account as a main. I wanted to set up 2 accounts that are throwaways, both different ages(not connected to me), one older and the other younger, not interact with the audience and just post similar subjects with a similar style (outside of my norm) >>984723
Thankfully I don’t plan to post “adult” content on either one or to try to connect to any of the audience- minor or older.
I don’t know if I want to stick with fan art or a mix between fan art and originals, but either way I want the content/art to not exclude or favor one.
I just don’t know what artstyle I want the accounts to take
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Does someone here have brutfuner pencils? interested to buy because they have massive color range and are cheap, but I tried another cheap chinese brand before called Marco Renoir, and while I liked the colors themselves, the lead was brittle af. Only dropping the pencil on my table was enough to completely fuck up the entire lead from top to bottom. If Brutfuner is anything like it, I wouldn't risk it, no matter how cheap.
I'm in the 25k-35k range so I wouldn't say I'm a huge account, but I definitely get a lot of interaction when I post something polished>is being a twitter artist as fun as it looks?
Yes, if you love your own art. I once posted an illustration I wasn't happy with but had sunk a lot of time into and it did really well. Had about 10k likes in the first few hours but I didn't feel a single crumb of dopamine because I hated it (and eventually deleted it, lol). But when I post something I love and even just a small amount of people like it or leave nice replies it feels very nice. I think it is only fun if you don't go checking your likes and new follows every moment and just enjoy getting pleasant feedback and commission requests. Also I'm flexing but getting followed by your favorite artists is a high that lasts a while.>how long did it take to build your following
A little over a year.>what's the secret?
I got lucky because my art fills a niche but isn't fandom stuff so it's future-proofed a bit.
I think the main reason I wanted to gain some popularity on twitter was to be recognized and sort of join in on some art friend circles that I admired. What's funny is a LOT of the people I couldn't ever imagine noticing me currently follow and interact with me now, but I had the realization that just interacting and giving replies doesn't make you friends, lol. All this time I thought they were this tight-knit group of skilled professional artists but really it's just a bunch of neets who follow each other and have never talked to each other in DMs. I'm just talking about this once specific group of artists, I don't know how it is in other circles.
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Considering you exploded in only one year and still having fun with it that means you're still green child. Watch that optimism fades away over the years when you witness "the artists I admired" either get called out left and right, or go completely offline due to online drama bullshit. Enjoy the high while you're still can.>>985786
when I check my analytics (Best follower of the month) I keep seeing 100k-200k accounts follow me, which I assume it's a normal amount on twitter these days.
I honestly think you're better off opening commission slots and in general just pricing your work accurately. In NFTs your profit isn't guaranteed and depends almost solely on networking, plus you do need to pay to mint your work in the first place. The NFT market loves to prey on people in your condition: desperate for money regardless of reason.
Price your work accurately, value what you do and open regular commissions or your adoptables.
It's all relative. To broke people like me, someone with $1,000,000 in the bank is well-off, but to that person, well-off means $10,000,000 in the bank, and so on. Just because $1m is a lot to you doesn't mean $10m isn't a whole lot more. If you have 25k followers but a lot of the artists you interact with have 100-200k followers, you are aware you are big account but not a huge
account. Especially when 500k accounts start following you, that's 25 time more followers.
NTA but I think what these anons are pointing to is how >>985843
stated that those follower numbers are normal for Twitter as a whole which one way or another is flat out disconnected from reality. These numbers are very relative yes, but you also need to be aware that you're in a situation that's already an exception to the norm and talking as if getting 100K followers was a "normal" thing to do kind of makes you seem no better than those rich people who go "oh but it's just a $1M car, no biggie". Numbers are relative, but if you want to be taken seriously you need to acknowledge when you're in an exceptional situation and that your experiences aren't the norm as well.
All of this to say, saying that it's common to be followed by 20oK artists is one hell of a subtle flex kek.
I was looking at some of PP's forums and it's more or less the same there where people say that want to be able to receive money anonymously but want to hide their real name and don't mind too much that their address is showing or wish to show part of their name and hide their address and mods on PP keep telling and linking people to make a business account which someone brings up while they do art they are not a business and therefore do not want to open a business account and then I think taxes will get in there somehow and perhaps she would need an LLC or something too.
I agree with some of the comments where PP should protect their users more and keep them safe with being able to hide their real name and use their display name handle for the other party's billing because their are some unhinged people on the internet. I really don't draw crazy like that to have it anything other than a hobby and making make some donations off it because I don't plan on making making any real profit from drawing.
The difference is simple: opening comissions has no upfront charges, while doing NFT does.
If your comission post flops the only thing you lose is the time it took for you to set up the post/charts. On the other hand, if you don’t sell your NFT you lose the gas and minting fees you paid to get it set up, possibly setting you back hundreds of dollars with nothing to show for it (other than the risk to your reputation.)
Besides, nft isn’t any more reliable than comissions, it depends even more on connections and sucking up to the right people, with the additional pain of having to draw the stuff that appeals to bitbro sensibilities.
You’ll likely get more freedom by opening comissions by google forms, and picking the requests that dont look annoying to draw. Which is to say, why not try the old school method that won’t cost you hundreds in upfront cash first?
Honestly, if you're worried about ruining your reputation, make a anonymous side account for making NFTs. Quite a few artist are doing this also. Just change around your style a little bit maybe, and do it. Good thing, is that if you're work is very good, you'll have no problem making it in this space. Every artist I know who crossed over into NFTs, is currently selling pieces left and right, regardless of their number of followers. Also because the NFT space is really desperate for higher quality art. Also, if your work is good enough, you have a chance at making higher profits, and attracting the attention of major collectors, because of how early you are in this space. Less competition. My suggestion, is start out at opensea first, as you only have to pay once to mint a collection. Collections tend to catch more eyes, and sale more, over 1 on 1's, but thats changing. There's other nft sites, and blockchains you can mint on, like Solana,with RmRk, but ETH(ethereum) are more popular. Hope this helps.
I started out drawing niche, sometimes violent, nsfw because I was an edgy teenager that didn't care about what I was drawing as long as it got me attention and comms. Everything >>980856
said affected me too so I tried to set stricter rules but at that point I realised that instead of competing with thousands of artists online that charge pennies I could make better money with less effort a minimum wage job irl. I haven't touched nsfw art since.>>986650
Nta but this was an interesting post thank you
You sound incredibly stupid.>>986650>Every artist I know who crossed over into NFTs, is currently selling pieces left and right
Not really. Artists have to shill their NFTs constantly to stay afloat and hardly anyone buys it. They only ones making money are bitbros who bid on each other's pieces and suck each other's dicks. They don't even make art, they make retarded moid "collectibles" like those monkey avatars or bad 3d renders.
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Still can’t get over the fact the girl posting this is 12.
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Guys I’m trying to fucking understand
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Kids and autistic people should not legally not be allowed in certain online spaces, there should be more measures put in place
Cry louder. >>986811
That's no different than regular artist shilling to promote sales for merch of their work, patreons, or the constant e-begging for gofundmes/kofis. I'm speaking from experience, and what I've seen personally from other artist in NFTs. The only ones who really have trouble moving pieces are photographers, since a lot are cookie cutter, and artist who don't know how to market, of promote themselves, and likely don't have any experience in online art communities. If your work is good, or exceptional, you won't likely have any trouble moving pieces. And since there's a huge demand for quality artist, and especially for niche fandoms/art, like furry, if you are either of those things, you'll likely attract collectors very quickly. You don't have to have hundreds of thousands of followers either.
Either you're extremely stupid or purposefully trying to grasp at anything to justify your liking for NFTs (which is also incredibly stupid).
There's no demand for high quality art in NFTs because the bitbros who buy NFTs only want stupid collectibles, they literally don't give two shits about art quality, they take anything hence why it's so easy to just release some ugly ass AI-produced collectible series and sell it on NFT platforms. For normal artists to get a bidder on an NFT they pretty much have to turn into a shilling bot which is the case I've seen in pretty much all artists I follow that have decided to try NFTs: all they post now is "LOOK GUYS NEW ART DROPPED ON FUCKSEAS.ETH" over and over and over to the point it's not even worth it to follow them anymore. It's one thing to sometimes promote your store/patreon/ko-fi while posting doodles and art and other stuff in your acc, but it's a completely different level of bullshit when your account turns into nothing but a wall of "CHECK OUT MY NFT!" and nothing else. If anything these NFT artists sound as desperate as these E-beggers who go "guys im autistic black yellow blue megatronsexual minor with prosthetic legs and overweight living in uganda and i need money to buy a switch".
I've NEVER seen regular artists who do commissions beg and shill as much as NFT artists do.
awww, still salty? >>986909
There's literally no difference between e-beggers, and folks shilling NFTs. None. Both can be equally annoying. But at least one has the potential to earn some good money, by marketing themselves directly to a clientele, who actually has the income, and means to pay for their work. Whether its commissions or nfts,both are risky, and can cost an artist time, and money. Pick your poison.
This is all nothing more than conjecture, and your own biases. All you've delivered, is an emotional filled rant. NFT artist are no more annoying, than financially irresponsible individuals, constantly e-beggging, for constantly coming up short on the rent. There actually is a demand for higher quality artworks in the nft space, and especially that of furry artist. Why do you think NFT bros have been dming bug artist, as well as making hundreds of post discussing how to get more actual artist in the space? Now I may not agree with their methods, but it shows ghat there is a demand for such things. Theres teo sides of NFTs, you have of course the investor side, who only cares about pump and dumps, and the more seriois side of collectors, who actually want to purchase art collections, and collectables. As the economic conditions become more unstable within the next few years, more artist are going to cross over into NFTs. Theyre not going anywhere. Instead of being ignorant, and speaking on what you have no concept of, try actually learning about NFTs, and actuallu talking to artist who are as actually doing them.
PLEASE. It's almost always the same bullshit. NFTnon tries to churn out pro-NFT garbage, anons reply with the same old reasons as to why it's bad, NFTnon proves to be delusional and keeps repeating their garbage, and it loops on infinite.
Even milk related to NFTs end up being the same shit always.
Pretty much what >>987557
said. NFT collectors only buy NFTs for the sake of claiming something "unique" and recognizeable that they can then sell for millions in the future. It's much easier to create a ton of ugly as sin monkeys through AI generation that are guaranteed sales if they come from a well known clique or company than to put effort in art that's actually good while being completely nameless in the NFT market. I remember an anon (in this thread or the other) that said that NFT buyers have no standards for art, and that's true. They don't care about art, they care about clout, flexing and money, and that's it.
nah i find it weird as fuck too. i'm on my early 20s and pretty much grew up on the funky early internet and i remember how it was pretty much tabboo to post pics of yourself irl online even more if you were a kid.
there's also the fact that a bunch of these people use super filtered selfies where they purposefully look aesthetic or very attractive as a way to gather more engagement.
Just a personal vent, but I'm genuinely stressed about how my close friend doesn't seem to like… pick up art criticism or know how to improve.
We've both been drawing for a long time, and I don't mean to humblebrag or put them down, but my art has been a lot more successful and well recieved both online and irl and I know it bothers them. We've both started selling our art recently and when I was doing better they ended up in tears and started taking their frustration out on me. I just brushed it off at the time but there was literally nothing I could do, anything I could say to comfort them would have just been patronizing and snapping at them to pull it together would have just made the situation way worse, knowing their personality.
I do genuinely want them to improve but they seem so stuck in their ways that even just offerring small pieces of advice feels like pulling teeth. "Do some anatomy studies!" "I used to do them back in college, I already know anatomy…" "You should try using this brush now and then to change things up." "No, I know it wont look good if I try it, I want to use the one I always use." It'd be one thing if they just drew for fun but like I said, we're both starting businesses and also, oftentimes I wonder if they even have fun drawing because they barely do it without incentive and complain about it a lot. I want to keep moving forward and improving my art and keep the momentum of my business growing, but it hurts knowing my closest friend isn't happy for me yet refuses to listen when I try to help. We have almost the same amount of years of drawing experience but it's like they learned all their techniques in year one and never learned any new ones and it really shows.
>inb4 you're not really friends/stop being friends/etc
We've been close for over a decade, we easily support each other emotionally, mentally, and financially in tons of situations. Part of why it's so hard to talk about this with them is because this is the only thing that has ever been a downside in our friendship and I have no idea how to talk about it.
Anon, are you me? I had the exact same thing happen to me a couple of years ago.
It wasn't a super close friend of mine, but still someone I chatted with pretty regularly.
Not flexing in any way,but that friend really admired my art and would go on and on about how they wanted to draw like I did and begged for me to teach them how to do it. And I'd genuinely try to help, but they'd quickly deflect any piece of advice or criticism I'd give their art. "That's not the style I want to have!" "I don't draw realism though" "I already do studies!". There was no business involved, if anything this friend (now ex-friend) only wanted internet clout (I'm far from famous, but I get some nice engagement from my followers). In the end we drifted apart because I was sick of them constantly asking me to teach them, refusing to listen, then being passive aggressive or crying that "my art sucks!"
Since ending this friendship isn't an option…honestly? If I were you I'd call them out on this behaviour. Not in a mean or angry way, but make your side of the struggle known to them as well.
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I know iamlunasol has a lot of lolcow behaviour but isn't this too much ? Like stalking and recording without permission in con isn't that illegal? Zoomers Fandom is just plain insanity. I hate that most of nowdays fandoms are infested with these type of people.https://twitter.com/sanr10cr4zy/status/1468136919330856960?t=F1UX7fDJtLSd46cM28HfFQ&s=19
Sorry to hear about that experience, but it is comforting to hear other artists have gone through something like this. It's really hard to talk about because it can just seem like backhanded bragging, but I put a lot of work to get to where I am and I want my friend to be able to do so too, but it's hard when they just don't or won't listen and just feel sorry for themselves instead.
>If I were you I'd call them out on this behaviour. Not in a mean or angry way, but make your side of the struggle known to them as well.
Yeah, I think I will have to eventually. I'm just worried I will go about it wrong and somehow end up as the bad guy. From a just friend perspective, I want them to just have fun and be happy and to support whatever they make, but from another artist's perspective, I want them to realize that "getting good" takes real actual work and part of that is knowing how and when to take criticism and finding new techniques to keep improving.>>988389
I mean, I would love for our friendship to keep going for as long as possible, but it's definitely an elephant in the room sometimes and I just don't want it to destroy anything. She struggles with chronic depression and is particularly self hating and comes from a family that put her down a lot, so I understand why she was as upset as she was if she's putting her self worth into her art (she is), but it still hurts when I'm trying to be proud of my years of hard work and she can't fully celebrate with me despite being my closest friend.
It totally sucks for her but, it's a con. It's unrealistic to attend these expecting maturity and no retarded tiktok-addicted teenagers with smartphones. It's just the environment. Not to be an insufferable downer or a victim
-blamer but this is why you don't beef with stupid people on the internet when you got an online presence to care about.
This is going to sound manipulative and you don't have to follow through this advice;
You can trick your friend into thinking they're better than you.
Since theyre the one always coming for you for art advice, right, how about you doing that instead. Since you're the only one paying attention to your friend's art, it's probably easier for you to see what stands out about their arts, what their followers have been commenting on their arts, etc.
Does your friend suck at anatomy? Ask "I don't know how to draw dynamic bodies like you do!"
Your friend sucks at fundamentals? "I think it's really cool that you don't have to rely on references to draw!"
Oh, also are you the anon posted about the friend refused to use any other brush other than the binary tool. I guess you can say something like "I'm not good at using these tools like you do, you seem like a master of binary tool! I can't imagine myself using anything else other than these soft brush etc".
Fool your friend into false self-esteem and eventually your friend doesn't find reason to shit at you for being better anymore, rather maybe they will develop a god complex instead! At least they will leave you alone and turn to enjoy art & flexing their mediocre skills. There!
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Looks like NFT art thieves are starting to steal from Qinni. As if we needed yet another reason to hate them.
They've been doing this for months, it's fucking terrible. >>>/ot/786502
Qinni doesn't deserve this.
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Just now twitter suggested me this tweet. Cryptoturds are disgusting pieces of shit, period.
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Any thoughts on Quinn? Technically they’re not an artist but they're still a big participant in the art community.
I'm so tired of this question
Why can't anyone ctrl+f?
Let's put this kind of thing in the sticky next time then ban it
What should we add in next thread's bullet points?> How do I get traction online?
- Draw genshin impact
and> NFT shills fuck off.
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looks like Jasmin is in trouble again>>989253
both market are hit or miss, you rather pick the one that you know you'll affiliate with the most. The only way to crop a patreon following, is to actually participate with your fandom, which need to show some enthusiasm for such subject.
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Dug around a bit and it seems that she was defending a lolicon artist last year and got some backlash for it. Picrel is her deleted tweet.
Here's her "apology" tweet in which it's kinda, eh, to me, I'm surprised at the amount of hugbox-y in the replies.https://twitter.com/JasminDarnell/status/1276122243416780800?s=20
TLDR for the linked thread> it's just a drawing and cancel culture is toxic> oh okay I didn't know the information beforehand before making tweets whoops> autism
I cannot paint hair. I can paint and render skin very nicely (in my opinion), I have a pretty good grasp of anatomy, color theory, even backgrounds are decent if I put the effort on them. But hair MAKES ME INSANE, I've watched and read tutorials, I've tried doing studies, I even tried with different mediums (digital, acrylics, watercolor, pencil colors, regular pencils, even ballpoint pens) and while the structure is fine, once I need to add color to it I fuck it up royally. I HATE HAIR.
Ask yourself this: why did you follow them in the first place? do you enjoy their art? If them not retweeting you anymore upsets you so much then just break the mutual and move on. No one is owed anyone's attention just for being twitter mutuals, anon.
And i don't really see the point of following artists on twitter if you don't enjoy what they post, just expecting things from them in return.
This just sounds like both of you were using each other for social media clout but one ended up getting dropped after they no longer became useful for obtaining said clout. Welcome to the world of social media fame.
After being on this board for so long you probably should have seen something like this coming.
The thing is they still talk to me for a few hours everyday, it's not like we're just
mutuals, we've been friends for a few years at this point. I legitimately liked her art and I thought she liked mine. I didn't think we were using each other at all.
Honestly this sucks so fucking much. I don't know your circumstances, but I used to do this for friends or close acquaintances only to have this happen and feel like my good will and our friendship was one-sided.
I support friends and similar because we are friends, but people can be so fucking mercenary about it. I don't bother following friends socials anymore unless I enjoy their content. It feels cold but people are selfish.
Did she ask you to boost her before she was big?
If yes, ask her to boost you
If no, don't be mad that she isn't retweeting you now
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Hey guys I thought this was a good deal that some of you might want to get. slickdeals.net is a great site for seeing things that are on sale and I've had no issues buying from B&H.
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I scanned the previous thread and didnt see this so I'm rewriting this to sound less bitchy.
A month back jazza did a callout vid on zhc. It goes into zach's manipulative tactics and how he used other artists for clout to get where he is.
And I just wanna say, so what? It was so blatantly obvious he was like that, in the end you agreed to do the collab with him.
I think it's also the fact that many artists know ZHC is clickbait, but for the audiences, they probably don't.
Of course, it isn't any illegal or shady expose but I think bringing attention to the manipulative tactics such as playing up his carpal tunnel, how many artists would do collabs with him only to not get their shoutouts, etc. or really even just flexing how much money he has. If you notice, a lot of artists (even mediocre ones like Chloe Rose) don't really watch or interact much with his content. Even the cows don't bother bringing him up, it shows just how far from art his content is.
It's nothing anyone really asked about. But given that Jazza was going down the same route of just being a clickbait algorithm artist it is interesting to hear his perspective given that he "pulled himself back" from that. Plus his videos on it focus on ZHC as a brand, not Zach as a person so there isn't much to really talk about in that regard.
Though, I will say the 1.5 was pretty eye-opening in that custom things likely do not last very long before beginning to look ugly.
tldr: Nothing anyone asked for but an interesting perspective nonetheless
I watched this video and quite like it, I'm looking forward to part 2 of this. IMO it's rare to see fellow creator criticize other creator in a civil manner, I like how he approached that youtube has incentivized dishonesty to generate effectiveness (clickbait) than genuine educational content, and that every creator has some level of dishonesty, or lack of transparency towards their audience.
It got me think back on my freelance work, despite not being an art youtuber.
I agree with this sentiment. When I add mutuals on discord, the conversations would never pan out because we had nothing but art in common. This weird para social expectation that we are besties with mutuals is so common, yet deranged.
Nowadays, If a mutual comes and talks to me, I treat them more like a coworker or acquaintance. Interestingly enough, most of my best friends have only a few followers versus my 10k following "moots"
I feel like visible follower count and "online clout" does ostracize a normal artist relationship. I admit I did have a better time and more friends to talk to when I was less a popular artist.
Now everywhere I go everyone recognized me as "x series fanartist" and some even claimed that I had shaped the fandom at its earlier stage (what???), when in fact it was just me drawing a few funky headcanons I was musing with my friends at the time. I hate internet.
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I don't know how to express this, if a people follow me because of my art style is usually draw by certain "group" and they believe i'm part of "group" when the fact I'm actually not . Major red flag there.
Lmao it's the kinoko situation all over again
Not sure if OP of that post (wild_forms) is milky enough but they sure are terminally online to make a fuss on every single fucking shit everyday. How are this people not exhausted?
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This exact situation >>993850
happened only a few months ago with a French artist named Kinokorp >>794453
White artist draws Ero Guro artwork and gets labeled a racist for it. French artTwt came to her defense tho.
Stuff like this is why I hate the online art community nowadays. Not just on Twitter (although in there the case is way worse), on every social media. These people go on about "creativity", how "nothing is cringe anymore draw whatever you want!", yet when someone draws something that doesn't allign with what they like they instantly go "OMG ARE YOU RACIST YOU DREW GORE OF A JAPENESE GIRL!!! DIGUSTING WHITE TRASH!", "THEY DRAW BEATEN UP WOMEN THEY MUST BE SO SEXIST AND A WOMAN HATER!"
I'm a candy gore artist and I just wanna do my shit and be left alone, I barely care about the race of the character I'm drawing unless I want to bring some cultural element in the composition or whatever. These people act as if japanese and most other POC
are braindead, innocent little babies who can't defend themselves and are aaaaaalways being attacked and needing to be protected because a BIG EVIL CISHET WHITIE posted a jpeg.
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why do i see this person on my timeline drama whoring at least once a week. has no one told them to stfu yet
i looked into the original tweet and kek people are accusing these two of pretending to be asian just because they have japanese quotes on their bios and """"have an art style that's distinctly asian""""
apparently art styles are gatekeeped per country now gals! you can only draw in art styles from the place you're born in otherwise you're RACIST! globalization is an illusion.
Dump this into sjw twitter thread in /snow/ next time >>>/snow/1387114
These species must be contained.
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She's in the thread title summary?? girl what are you talking about. We're sick of seeing her mentioned here.>>994024
Big agree. Though tbh I've seen enough of dramas and "this artist is a pedo for drawing porn this highschool character!!", but it was pretty rare and not being Constant and spiraling in the way twitter and other SNS play into right now.
I miss twitter when it was a space to shitpost and talk shit with friends and mutuals before the worst parts of tumblr migrated to it after the porn ban.
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There's a Tumblr post calling out the artist on the right (sakanazakana) and kinoko. This is such a weird reach. I scrolled through sakana's gallery and the claim that the majority of her art is of Asian subjects is simply not even true. It's also funny how they're accusing her of Asian fishing when she has drawn herself multiple times before, clearly featuring her curly hair and light eyes.
man I really wish I could just reply these posts with "I'm asian, I don't find this is offensive and what you're perpetuating is harming creativity itself".
Honestly, it's too much trouble, too smooth brained to engage. Culture Gatekeeping will kill the cultures themselves. Globalization and encouraging certain ethnics to be spread is encouraging tourism in that country/community. I'm speaking from my experience working at tourism and it was such a delight to see foreigners took interested in our niche culture.
Cultural Appropriation is a neutral term and these fucking smooth brained bitches should just stop accusing anyone "pretending to be this race" when it's just speaking in our non-native language. What the fuck.
While I understand there has to be some skepticism when it comes to globalization, I don't think any of these people have a basic grasp of what it means and what kind of nuance discussion to have, instead of jumping into conclusions on their own all the time. Not defending any of these artists here, I'm sick of dumb kids white knighting when no one asked for it.
>>994120>man I really wish I could just reply these posts with "I'm asian, I don't find this is offensive and what you're perpetuating is harming creativity itself".
If these threads have taught us anything, is that whenever someone from a minority group speaks out and says it's not a big deal, then they're shitty for "speaking on behalf of others". In other words, you never win with these people, they will always twist the narrative because the only opinions that are right are theirs.
It's even more embarrassing when such callouters aren't even from the supposedly affected minority group.
Ikr? The biggest ‘call outs’ were on edgy characters and ship wars. Nowadays a 12 year old will call you a pedo for shipping two fictional minor characters, and whole documents will be made to “expose” you.
And ppl think the only Karen’s out there are the bob cuts when there’s a new Breed of online twits who have never touched grass
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Nonnas talk me out of it, I have a perfectly working, barely touched wacom pen&touch but I looked at the new version and it's make me think "mmmh". It's just prettier and I can upgrade to size M. The green is also cute.
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That's actually a really good point. I think it might be because anime inspired styles are considered pretty generic(?) at this point because anime is so popular everywhere now so everyone's trying to copy it. Anime nowadays also feature a lot more races so it's not an issue to them. These styles aren't generic but I think they still take some inspiration from Japanese artists like Yoshitomo Nara, Makiko Kudo, or Takano Aya(picrel) and people associate these styles to the Japanese artists so much that it seems weird to them that people who aren't are drawing them.
I may be in the minority here, but it's weird that I've seen a couple people get on to Ethan Becker about only drawing black people being weird but defend artists like kinocorp who only draw Japanese school girls. Is it because of how the situations were handled or am I missing something here?
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From what I see going on here, I also just rme heavily when I see constant sperging about "appropriation" and "fetishizing" going on by sheltered dumbasses on twitter, but one person I wish would be called out for his blatant fetishsizing is Fin Dac. He's an Irish street artist but all of his subjects or most of them are just E.Asia/Euroasian women with the same exact same splotch of paint on their face like literally that's just his all pieces I've seen but people constantly asskiss calling it amazing and groudbreaking everyime he shits a new one out. It's creepy af. Picrel is of artist and his typical subject
So you have to primarily draw art that looks like your own race/cultural background now? Jealous people stop reaching challenge lol
Also, the OP says she's Korean, but isn't she "culturally appropriating" AAVE with "y'alls"? Lol cancel her
You should just sell your old tablet, and more importantly use the money to buy one of the older intuoses instead of one of the new ones, the old ones are built solidly and will potentially last you a decade or more (mine is a decade old), the new ones I've heard eat nibs like crazy for no reason other than to sell you more nibs. The only thing that kind of sucks about the old ones is the 2048 pressure levels but unless you have a super light hand I doubt it's something noticeable.
But if you just want a cute tablet? Sure, why not. Get a big tablet to avoid carpel tunnel.
here's my thought process>woman draws only Japanese school girl
hmm probably a harmless weeb>(annoying) man draws nothing but black people
hmm probably a gross fetish thing
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Do you really think someone who draws this shit doesn't have a fetish
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Well from my personal observation , the only known woman artist that handled these situation best is Sakimichan. Don't respond keep posting. Act unapologetic all the time.
In my opinion the people who make this type of callout are mostly people pleaser, like you can't please anyone in reality.>>994515
the sad fact is that the new normal era is fueling a unhealthy relationship with internet in general and act think the net is their real world.
I think people nowdays just need to know the line and different between critique , dislike and hating .
don't do it, get a cintiq
hah, you thought i was trying to save you money
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OT but his art looks like knock off nurzhan bekkaliyev.
I was just going to point this out because it was honestly the first thing I thought of when seeing how he draws female bodies.
I feel like I’m in the minority here, but I kinda like how females are drawn in these styles. They’re drawn in a bit of a bimbo fashion, but there’s order, if that makes sense. Like unlike most coomer art, you can easily break down the shapes organically in an easy to read way.
>>994446> I may be in the minority here, but it's weird that I've seen a couple people get on to Ethan Becker about only drawing black people being weird but defend artists like kinocorp who only draw Japanese school girls. Is it because of how the situations were handled or am I missing something here?
Are you the one keeps bringing Ethan Becker in the thread and keeps tinfoiling about anons trying to divert conversation from him when there's nothing milky about it?
The anons above didn't defend the weeb French artists, they're annoyed about dumb woke kids flexing in artist space.
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weaboo russian is actually getting gigs in the industry now for drawing same faced persona fan arts. what else can we do.
oooh so it's this picture an anon on /m/ traced and tried to pass as their own Asuka fanart. >>>/m/160029
Funny how artfags were immediately able to spot that due to chicken scratch lines lol
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Not another retarded Ila Kuvshinov take, I'm not a fan but dude has the skill to be getting all of these contracts in the industry, which is clear if you do literally one scroll on his instagram. Sure, same face girls get the most clicks, and good for him to be able to get engagement so easily, but there's no denying he can and does more than just that.
same anon as >>995267
, when i mentioned weaboo russians i was specifically talking about Sakana.
AYRT Yeah what I meant was >>995557
I hate that dude and whenever I scrolled Deviantart top page or my spotify playlist with his art blasting on my face it annoys the fuck out of me. I don't care if he's "more skilled than the same portrait same face same angle" thing, the fact that his type of art has soiled the standards of the new generation of artists, and the fact that I have to see his same face shit everywhere I go just fucking pisses me off. While I see artists who are more talented and put more time & efforts in their arts are getting snuffed out due to not being relevant, or when fame Finally gets to them so does internet drama.>>995741
Didn't know Sakana was russian. I guess I still stand my point of weeb russian artists making (social capital) for drawing anime pinups
This is going to sound morbid, I don't draw what I enjoy anymore. The moment I was "joyful" in making arts has become fleeting, this is the result of being an online artist for so long, and I've lost the identity which defined "what I like" and more of "what others prefer to see more".
But yeah I don't mind showing people my works (offline and online) because the artworks look "cool" and "deep meaning", for me it was just an emotional exhilaration moment until I decided to put my brush down.
Even this… style of typing I do is ridiculously pretentious due to high art influence. I hate it. I don't know. Nona I hope you find joy in your arts even if it's shameful for you to show right now.>>995939
I only use twitter. I've heard that insta got more traction but mostly from zoomers, so I avoid it entirely.
The majority of zoomers are on twitter as well, though my clients keep in check with my updates there more frequent than my other websites. I've gotten industry gig offers from my Deviantart portfolio too, so branch out your contents as much as you want.
>>996022> everyone else my age online with similar interest are people with art careers trying to make money rather than be in a community
You're fine anon. It's just you came to a time when making fan arts become more acceptable and more popularized. People have to put their fan arts behind paywalls to prevent art thefts, NFTbros and even dumb zoomers being invasive and annoying.
I really miss it when drawing fan arts were just for shits and giggles instead of fandom street cred bullshit. We can only blame the climate.>>996029
AYRT, yeah this is only temporary fix for OP and her friend relationship. If my friend suffers low self esteem and refuses to take constructive feedbacks from friends, then they should just find professional help instead.
I enjoy drawing floating heads even though I can do more and I'm ashamed of it because it shows my lack of skills with poses and composition, but that's not what you're asking, kek.>>996220
If the fees are reasonable and you're interested, you should do it, but don't expect to earn big in your first few cons, aim to breakeven when you've just started out. I've made a lot of friends doing cons who helped to push my following without me really doing much (I didn't ask them to either, it's just a thing that happens when you make friends I guess), so if you care about that stuff it could be a plus for you too. But of course, YMMV, and my personal advice is for you to do it for fun instead of for money. You'll enjoy it way more that way.>>996301
This question is way too vague and location dependent, anon.>are there ever times where you end up shelling out more on your booths than you earn?
Yes, my first con, where I didn't know what I was doing at all. That was years ago when I was a teen and no one did artist alley as a living though, with the climate these days it'd probably only happen if your art is really THAT subpar or you overestimate yourself and overstock.
Holy shit I also frequent /ic and this is spot on. I usually go because I'm a masochist like >>997031
said, but also because its hilarious. I specifically love those draw a box fags reeing because they can't draw a box in a certain perspective or shit.
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I’ve been fucking wheezing over this im shaking ehile typing right now
Makes me wonder what can be considered "quality question", when I already saw a few got ignored and they weren't bait asks.
It got me question… how old are the nonnies here?
I assume everyone is 25+ in this thread and more used to late 2000s art era. Doesn't respond to milk posts because the anons don't recognize the artists mentioned Nor care.
I'm under the impression most serious questions asked in this thread gets answered. 'Quality' questions are simple:>Not bait>The answer is not easily googled>Not a FAQ that gets asked every fucking thread (hey guys any tips for twitter/what's the best platform for art/is furry or porn worth getting into for money)
We have a wider age range here than your assumptions, I'm quite sure, if the questions about further education are anything to go by. Nothing wrong with that.
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A mother of two who trooned out in her late twenties got viral by making Zhongli Genshin Impact themed condoms. Also ended up tweeting her kids were happy accidents and got a lot of flack for that
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TD: “Guys I know I took a over $100 flight to and from to go to a reinassance fair, but I’m poor now, could you pay for my tap water filter?”
Ok, correct me if I’m wrong, but that seems like a landlord issue, right? Or do they charge the person for the filter then buy themself the plumber?
That's kind of the issue. A lot people bitch about artist getting on the NFT Ponzi scheme but also complain about artist's paltry commission rates being too high. The best alternative to try and make a living with art and not get jumped on by hoards of twitter nuts would be to either go industry pro or try becoming an ARTuber; both of which are volatile.>>998099
She probably thinks slapping a Brita filter on her faucet will do the job.
That’s pretty much what I settled on doing from now on, is just sad she’s become so obsessed with wanting validation through her oc that’s she’s stunting her art process>>997898
She’s in many different fandom related servers(mainly anime) but the recent incident was her getting kicked from a genshin impact server when they found out she was self-inserting. Hence why now she’s trying to change the name of her oc to something other than her own.
Honestly looking at it now is kinda lulzy kek
because vtubers were a "break" from the traditional streaming format and the fact that many of them (at least professional ones) manage to avoid getting into petty twitter slap fights and arguments because they have an image to uphold, scamming fans (at least not yet), shady brand deals, among other things that seem to plague traditional streamers.
as far as them overreacting and screaming, it's no different than normal streamers..
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Man, I am so tired of this narc
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Robaato is actually getting into some trouble because he was being pissy about someone wanting an update on their commission they waited two years for. I don't get why some artists don't put a cap on how many commissions they take. I get you have to pay bills but potentially losing customers in the process sounds worse in the long run. I don't get as many as this dude by a long shot, but I still make a point to keep commissioners updated.
Here's the full chat : https://imgur.com/a/hUujay5
and the original tweet: https://twitter.com/antsstyle/status/1454509524346417152
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Hey nonas, I really love this kind of rendering/colouring style (picrel) but it's been hard to grasp how to execute it. Sometimes I can pull it off but usually it looks too messy. Do I have to keep doing certain colour studies? Or are there palettes I need to take note of?
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Ngl i think it's 100% abt colors, everything in the image is a shade of blue or grey (except the light on his skin at the bottom). One thing i think would help is to keep a shade of blue in the little palette thingy (picrel if you have csp, but some swatches in paint tool sai have the same function). Btw do you have the name of the artist? It looks like quruiqing (if not them, you should check them out still)
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Ok now that the nona up asked, I dare to ask something too. kek.
Does someone know what technique Chengwei Pan used to archive this texture on the skin? At first I thought it was noise with little opacity, but after trying I didn't get the same results
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Forgive me if I can't explain what I'm looking for correctly but does anyone have any techniques or ideas for how to obtain a look similar to a manga scanalation completely digitally? Even just getting a believable subtle print look to a digital piece would be appreciated but I'm really interested in coloring like pic rel. Or like the original pokemon artwork.
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I think >>999399
is right in that it's a textured noise brush based on what I can see, but I think that's in conjunction with a low opacity noise layer as well>>999382
Easiest way would be to slap a watercolor paper texture as an overlay layer at low opacity on top of the drawing.
For techniques try to use the white of the canvas to make the highlights more distinguished.
Other than that I'd study watercolor artists and how they create. Even if you're doing it digitally you can apply what you learn from irl watercolor painting.
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I for some reason stumble over alot of racebending lately and also over alot of racebending hate … in both directions.
I saw people claiming it’s blackface if you make a character black.
I saw people claiming that it’s racist to make a character white. …
And I am just sitting here wondering where the issue is and why there so many people being hypocrites.
I never was a big fan of either race or gender bending but I don’t really give a shit if people do it. I mean yeah it can be fun to redesign a character.
But I think you either go full way or no way.
Either all directions are okay or none are.
People are allowed to make white characters black, asian or alien or plants or whatever they want. They also are allowed to make black or asian (or alien or plants XD) characters white. It’s not racist and it is not a political message. If you do it because of politics and “my diversity” you are an idiot. Diversity isn’t just skin color or “race” and a character who already is established like .. for example … Rapunzel (the disney version) still stays Rapunzel. If you make changes on her look, you also have to make changes on her surroundings as well (if you don’t do it just for the fun that is but if you want to hammer diversity). (If you take normal rapunzel you can do whatever because duh it’s a fairy tale it can be set anywhere in the world)
What I mean by that is that it simply doesn’t make sense to make a character that is originally planted in surroundings that are black or white or asian or whatever (especially if it plays in the past) a different race. It’s different if the story or character is from America (where you have everything) and so yeah sure make peter parker black I don’t care. Could very much be. Whatever.
But making Thor black makes as much sense as making moana white.
If you do it then do it right and change everything. (Again that just goes if you try be pandering and political so … basically you make an AU for the original. There is no issues with that.) Just don’t change a character and scream “Now she looks better” “my diversity” “representation”. It just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.
And for the art.
Learn color theory and don’t hate on people because they didn’t shade the character how you wanted.
Oh no … you made her white … even though actually didn’t but I want to be an asshole for no reason. What is shading and light? Never heard of that … freedom in art? NAH that is not a thing! Do it as I say because that is the only way and if you don’t you are a racist!
Seriously I am intrigued to make a blog where I just race bend all the characters and see what kind of backlash I get. Because that probably is fucking hilarious.
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Racebending used to be fun, how much of the character can you change while still making the character recognisable. People used to explore many different races and cultures not just making them Black plus it wasn’t politicised at all. I really miss the early 2010s of racebending
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Couldn’t find a picture that incorporated Tiana in the mix but I remember the salt that was spilt over it, everyone was praising the light skinned -> dark skinned changes obviously
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the vibe is not the same when it's about "muh diversity"
racebending was ruined by woke culture just like genderbends (now wonderfully renamed as "trans headcanons" which is stupid because they're not the same but i guess people have phobia of words now). it used to be really fun to change a character's race to see how the setting would change as well. same for changing a character's gender, it was interesting to see how their life and adventure would be affected by that. but now it's just so mega politicised i wouldn't touch either concept with a 10 ft pole.
plus when people do racebends or genderbends nowadays they feel this stupid need to make the characters look as stereotypically ugly as possible.
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>>1000249>Didn't he have a kickstarter game? Did he run off with the money or is it still in development?
He says it's still in development but considering how he tends to give his commission clients the run around, he most likely has no real plans of ever finishing it. He said he was going to refund people in March but according to the game's (Cryamore) subreddit and Kickstarter updates, no one has gotten a refund yet.
>I was confused bc I thought it even got official backing from a company at one point.
Yes, from Atlus
The question is do people ever get to have fun drawing anymore, I miss genderbend. A lot of times the characters who are well written are all Dudes, and sometimes we just want them to be female characters with depth, experimenting what they'd do with the world when they're a girl instead.
This exercise has always fun for me to explore in creative writing until I discovered the western side of the internet and now I hate everything.
A bit of unhinged rant. I've gotten an Aiden called me a third world country cunt for drawing exclusive for my mutuals who don't speak primarily in english. I'm sick of this shit. Every time I see another non-english speaking person getting harassed by these bitches I'm just infuriated.
I know everyone says "block and ignore!", but they never stop cropping up. Where is the button that I can blind a bitch instead.
my biggest issue with racebending now is that it is almost always done for "my diversity" and the fact that people throw bitch fits if anyone bends the character's race to something other than black and the fact that they always claim it is "diversity of other dark skinned people" even though it is very clear they edited/redrew the character with very african american culture or features and its almost always some dumbass shit like "There are enough white people in anime"
same goes for redesigns where they have to "desexualize" characters that are barely sexual to start with or upset people in the fandom find them attractive. It's stupid, obnoxious, and ruined what used to be enjoyable and widely accepted.
THIS! Almost always when people racebend "for diversity", they just turn everyone into variations of african american. The few times they racebend a character into a latino, they turn them into a hispanic stereotype instead. It's not diversity if you just grab a cast of characters and just change them from "being all pale" to "being all brown",I fucking hate when people do this and call it "diverse" and I'm POC
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Sorry for going on but about this topic but it’s such a shame to see how gutted it got. People are also very lazy with it nowadays because they just change the skin tone and that’s that, they never stop to consider how they could change the in-world cultural influences as well but I guess that’s a bit difficult.
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I honestly prefer FtM genderbends bc MtF is almost always pure coomer-bait and barely resembles the character in anyway. Usually its like Sexy Halloween costume tier designs.
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Oh definitely. I think with male to female genderbend I get to play a lot more with clothings and hairstyle!! Male fashion is limited to an extend to me, and I understand the majority of rule 63 are filled with coomerbaits, it's still refreshing to see popular characters rocking it as a girl.
The girlboss title has become derogatory term as of late too, so ig the internet just hates women lol.
Picrel of rule 63 fan art of Dream Daddy characters which was the bane of genderbend drama in art community, is it just me but that drama was just over escalated?
Yeah, this mess of a drama is when "gender bending for fun" officially came to an end.>>1000352
Short story, Puccanoodles (Marie Lum) accused her of hooking up with her boyfriend which turned out to be false. Omocat's clique jumped on her and kicked her out her friend group. Vii left social media and concentrated on school. Looks like she's doing better after having left them. >>735261
NTA. anon whats with the komaeda I'm confused
Here's link to the thread detailing omocat and her cliche 3 years ago. Rereading this really refresh my memory and Vii definitely dodged a bullet (saving her sanity) for not getting further involved with them >>>/ot/15930
Or this >>8400
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Holy crap, sorry folks. I was trying to link directly to the comment regarding Viibean in the Weeb Artist thread.
I messed up.
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NP I was about to delete and repost my post too, seems like I couldn't link directly to the reply of the thread. >>>/w/45883
picrel is a conclusion to vii's story at the time, and this also led to another anon (or two) confirmed about the secret toxic
groupchat that vii was invited in, and left, and thus the homewrecking rumor started.
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Just going to recite from my poor memory so feel free to correct me nonitas
ohnips was the artist who drew this fan art, I remembered the backlash comments was about one of the character was trans, so genderbending a canon trans character is Problematic
Other nitpicks was about the character on the far right was originally a fat dude in his male version, and people complained that the artist only makes her boobs big instead of drawing actually fat woman (eh.)
It was escalated so badly where gamegrumps started to voice in and counter the "bullies". The artist mentioned receiving death threats when there wasn't any caps. She ranted on stream about how she's allowed to say the n word because of her black boyfriend. etc etc. The artist herself is unhinged and it was the milestone of "rule 63 is not fun anymore" on twitter dot cum
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The mindfuck is that the shadows are more saturated than the main tones, which makes them seem brighter, even thought they're actually tonally dark
I drew a pic to demonstrate the basic idea.
1. Start with normal lines and fill.
2. Begin shading with normal dark shadow colour.
3. Shade using a bright saturated colour that is the same tone as the dark shadow but is more saturated. If you find this hard to do by eye, swap to the HSB colour mode instead of RGB in your colour picker. Continue shading using a colour that is even more saturated, but has the tonal value of the mid-tone shadow.
4. add in highlights and reflected light using a really bright colour that has a similar tonal value to the original fill shade
5. Colour in lines as your final touch. You can even erase some lines if you feel like it.
6. pic to demonstrate actual tonal values
I don't think that was the case tbh>>1000790
Wouldn't the FtM character just be MtF in the genderbend? Classic logic lol
FtM genderbends are hot, but I also like some MtF genderbends for a similar reason, in that it results in a character design of a certain gender that most people wouldn’t have come up with if they were designing a character who was originally that gender. So in genderbend art we can get sexy men and butch-lite/tomboy women, which a lot of artists don’t do in original designs and I wish I could see more of.>>1000824
And they did that by putting literally one line in the game that references him being trans, so you could accidentally skip over it or pretend it never happened lol.
Good to know. I'd assume a lot of people are willing to teach if I am willing to pay already.>>1001249
That's definitely a good piece of information, I suppose I just need to develop thicker skin and be open to talking to my friends.
Just went and looked at my CGpeers account and it got closed for inactivity, and their IRC isn't available so I can't talk to the admins or anything. Guess I'm fucked then because all accounts are one a lifetime? My account's like 3 years old at best. Is there no way in hell to contact the mods or what?
Class101 isn’t worth your time and especially not your money considering that classes are $200+. The “teachers” are just Instagram artists, not people who are actually trained to teach/have experience teaching, so the feedback you get is like “looks good, I guess.” Not to mention that a lot of the artists teaching class101 classes are ESL or don’t speak English at all, so how are you supposed to get valuable feedback from them? (Spoiler: you can’t. Their English isn’t good enough for in-depth feedback.)
If you want to see these artists’ progress or raw files, just buy them from the artist on Gumroad or sub to their Patreon for 1 month, download all of their files, and bounce.
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is it a stupid move to change your social media handles as a somewhat established artist? established for me meaning I have gone to cons and done work in the industry that's linked on twitter to this handle. is it essentially equivalent to starting over??
The handle I have atm has nothing to do with my name, it was a subtle fandom related username that I didn't think to change before trying to establish myself as a professional artist. luckily i was able to snag the same instagram and twitter handle, but I still want to change
Should I change my handle? Any anons have any experience with this, what are the pros/cons
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Her entire personality and being is just being lackluster and boring. She’s got decent technical skills but her compositions are boring and her character design skills are awful. Pic rel is her new “spicy” design for her vtuber and it looks trashy at best.
I think one anon said she created her vtuber group to try to compete with Ina from hololive. Her art's on the same level but that was never gonna happen. I watch Ina and can admit that she's low energy and a little boring at times but yueko is somehow more boring with no personality added on top.>>1003452
Going into NFTs isn't really made with poor people in mind. If you think this is a viable get rich quick system, you're dead wrong. You're better off drawing porn of genshin characters or furries.
I think I'm the deleted post anon, I wrote an even longer/more descriptive anti NFT rant and then deleted it but I'm glad you saw the first one anyway!
Being a vtuber unironically seems like a better use of your time.
this looks like an offbrand kpop idol>>1003452
anon if you're poor like third world poor, minting an nft will cost you your month's salary
That is hilariously bad for someone who holds themselves on such a high pedestal. On twitter she said she rigged it herself and it looks worse in motion. She just looks like every other 'uwu oppai' vtuber with a different coat of paint. >>1003494
Funnily enough, I just got into Ina's streams myself because
shes a little boring but she seems more comfortable and not like shes trying to not wake someone up. I guess Yueko feels like she doesn't have to try anymore because she has her crypto to fall back on and braindead simps who also own crypto.
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How do you guys feel about art rivals? Especially ones that tend to be one sided? Do you think it's good for motivation and remaining dedicated to getting better or do you think it's a bad idea to make that a driving force in improvement?
I'm pretty competitive and I've been guilty of going "I have to get better at art before this person passes me". I don't always do it and I genuinely enjoy drawing and try to focus on the fun of it, but I think that competitiveness helps me actually start on a new piece or study more.
I think you'd be better off trying to find another reason to be your main driving force for improving instead of being reliant on external reasons like that, much less another person. It'd also be weird if you end up being friends, or even just in general. The fact that some random follower/mutual is using you as an art rival in their mind to push themselves to do better just so they can outdo you? It implies there's a winner and a loser, and they picked you because your skills seem low enough that they think they can surpass you. What even is the metric? Don't tell me it's something retarded like followers count.
>B-but of course I'm not autistic enough to tell them about it!
Still, it's a weird and icky thing to do. I'd distance myself from a friend if I found out they did shit like that. The art scene is competitive enough without this weird art rival thing. It's not Pokemon.
I’m the anon who brought up that AtoLive was created to “rival” Hololive. Yue is a clout chaser who’s deluded herself into thinking she’s more important than she really is. She also had a period a few years ago when she was really trying to get in with efamous cosers like Yashafluff and Aru.Rinh. Ofc they ignored her because she’s not a coser so now she shits on cosers whenever she talks about using liquify or warp on her art. kek. >>1003668
I like Ina because she’s boring but comfy. You can tell that she loves art, so I can still appreciate her streams even though her voice is monotone and she doesn’t have any personality. Yue has been leaning way too hard into being an uwu irl anime waifu for nftbros, especially after she started fucking CL from egirl capital.
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That's why she's all in on shilling crypto and NFTs, she's getting dick along with it. I knew they were fucking because she keeps obnoxiously mentioning a "yellow cat" and it wasn't hard to figure out.
I think this is them. He looks like a manlet kek (and I think thats Yueko in that persons arm)
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I literally get one of these every year from someone. I can't even fake the excitement anymore. I'm an adult for Christ's sake. Do people really think established artists need MORE supplies? I can't trust average peoples' opinions on art if they think these things possess any quality.
art rivalry is a waste of time because the artist you're competing with has flaws of their own you're probably blind to. it's better to study your own art and recognize what you need to improve on to make better drawings and work on that.
being better than another artist is relative, how do you get better than them? what is better, having more likes or followers? you can only ever improve your own skills, the audience will have the final say in who they like more.
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I think is more like having a two edged sword for having an art rival.
Sure comparing yourself to another artist can drive you to imporvement but I think it will the lead to a mentality that you see yourself as an artist not as a person.
Like if you're comparing yourself to your art rival but you start not enjoying your progress is pointless.
Is not really bad thing(more like grey area), it is like having a sugar ingredients in your diet.
Then again the choices is yours anon.
Pic kinda related?
Its annoying. I enjoy what I'm doing less. I don't want to fucking think about art that way, because it isn't from a conducive place. You may think it helps to motivate you, but if you've felt obsession, then you know the feeling of competition just routinely steals your attention from what you love. It actually just waters down what you're working on. It becomes contaminated.
Most of all though, you could just as easily be friends because you have the same interests. Everytime I run into this, this is exactly what I think. Why are we doing this.. Its actually just taking away from our focus? We should be friends, and sperg about things we love, since we're caught up in art anyway
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Munchie wants attention and then is shocked when people give it to her
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just checked her twitter and she mentioned getting a disabled-friendly trainer? How would she able to grip her dumbbell with those monstrous pointy nails. I’d be worried about getting injuries because of those nails.
I actually do have some art rivals and I see it as a huge motivator for me at times. Though my rivals aren't people I hate or dislike at all, they're genuinely people who I admire and see as my peers, either very close ahead of me or very close behind me. They're rivals more in the anime sense, they motivate and inspire me and I don't want to be left behind. They're people who I wouldn't call close friends, I kinda keep them at arms length because I admire them, but they're all nice people who are kinda around the same groups I'm in.
Though there was one rival that ended up breaking out and started getting hired by huge companies and became friends with some big youtubers and stuff, and that was both heartbreaking and extremely motivating at the same time. I was sad that they jumped so far ahead of me so fast, but at the same time it seems like something that's even more possible for me now. I'll catch up some day.
I used to have "art rivals" when I was younger because I've always been highly competitive. While it did kick me into gear into developing my skills it ultimately was a pretty toxic
situation and made me obsessed. Every time they posted something new that looked good, my day would be absolutely ruined. I would spend too much time contemplating on how to one-up them and nitpicking their work for flaws to comfort myself instead of just creating art for myself. In the end it burned me out and I had to drop art for years before I could pick it up again without feeling self conscious about not being the Best. I still get twinges of jealousy but it gets easier and easier to muffle it out and focus on myself instead. >>1004368
is absolutely right, it's better to focus on what you need to improve yourself.
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anyone here feels like they're tokenized as an artist friend? I have people who absolutely give zero efforts in getting to know me or be my actual friend, instead just keep me around and throw in the "we are worried about you" card when I decided to burn bridges with them.
I find it's much easier to make friends when they don't know I draw for a living, though it has become difficult that I'm a full-time artist now, my hobbies still trace back creative-related.
I don't know, it is so frustrating and I just feel so lonely. Like the attitude of people changed when they found out about my online handle and such. I got to the point where I constantly wished death upon myself
This is just venting. My art isn't Godly good or anything, by my own standards it's mediocre at best. I have very few occasions where I were able to make artist friends, but they don't stick around and/or having opposite politics & philosophy.
My long term friend told me that she "valued" me because I am so "rare" and it'd be a waste to let me go (she was serious).
It was the final nail in the coffin for me.
I don't trust therapy but seriously this is harming so bad, I would never imagine a skill & career I've worked so hard to build would cause me to feel this way. Is the only way to save myself is to quit drawing entirely?
(Not sure if I wanted advice in this, I really wanted to let out my messy thoughts)
art in picrel by rosioire
I can't completely relate but man am I tired of everyone getting me a sketch book and graphite pencils for Xmas/birthdays, so I told people to not get me anything art related anymore. also left a relationship where he was pretty much gearing up to pimp out my art ~skillz~ by drawing nothing but brain rot stoner art
I don't really tell people about my hobby unless they specifically ask about hobbies and depending on the energy they give off I'll tell them I draw.
don't have any advice for you, i
just feel similar, it's difficult to make genuine friends the better you get at art/further into your career. non-artist friends can't relate to the job you do and artist friends can be a mixed bag with the rivalry and jealousy and dishonest ass-kissing
sometimes it's best to just focus on yourself. getting a pet definitely helps loneliness, it's better to have no friends than a dozen friends who aren't genuine and don't actually care about you as a person
Rivalry can promote healthy competition and growth, but you need to balance it out. You'd be better off following an artist you like whose style and such you want to emulate and study them from a distance. Don't focus too much on surpassing them because, after a point, that will become subjective; focus more technical confidence and your own end goal with art.
It's okay to have friends that you're mutual rivals with, but watch out for toxicity and obsessiveness. Art friends as rivals can turn out to be a supportive network where everyone wants to see everyone else win. This is an ideal setting, but not always possible. That's especially true with people who tend to reach out to other artists online, only to find themselves immersed in a toxic
I apologize in advance if my post misses the point. I hope it helps, all the same!
That has nil to do with being straight or not. You tend to have an easier time drawing your own gender because you can look at yourself for reference.
If you're looking for ideas for images make up stories about the character you indent to draw?
I want to give a slightly different opinion than most that art rivalries can be great. I think it does push you to produce more and in turn possibly practice more but like other anons have said it can be very unhealthy and your art isn't perfect either. I say do it as long as it stays lighthearted. Never put yourself down for your progress too as we all start somewhere.
On the same note I guess, this girl from highschool who found some strange need to be oddly competitive with me would always trash talk my art and claim hers was better than mine. After highschool she became a shitty scratcher tattoo artist and some friends and I found her pinterest. Turns out she copied every single piece for her clients, so in return since we had each other on socials I would go to her tattoo board and reimagine all the pieces she had saved to trace and copy. I would post them on anything I had her on. She never posted any of those and deleted them off her board kek. In the long run I genuinely found an improvement in my art because it pushed me to do things I wouldnt have attempted before.
I don’t get this, everyone in real life that I talk to could care less that I’m an artist and do it for a living. They only ask me about it on occasion to humor me. Furthermore, they’ve also acted “concerned” about me, but mostly because they all thought art was a fruitless starvation career.
Are you just referring to online people who only want to be your friend cause you draw?
I’m sorry anon, maybe this is something you’re struggling with but to me it sounds like a weird cope. I just find it so rare that anyone care that much about your pretty pictures (unless they are artists themselves trying to make a career out of it) Sure, it’s impressive and can even be useful at times but at the end of the day a pretty drawing is a drop in the bucket of media that exists and doesn’t do a great deal to affect society.
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Is it just me or is this unimpressive
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I like fore-edge painting more. The arrangement of these books confuses me though - if you display them page-side out they’re in reverse order. If you display them spine out they’re in regular order but you can’t see the pages, and because of the way they painted it the art only looks good when they're on the shelf. Idk feels poorly thought out.
Is this painted on the paper side of the Harry Potter books? Those book thicknesses seem familiar, and the painting seems like it could be intended to be a Scottish castle.
Probably wrecked the books though. The art is very Bob Ross but the idea is good, if it's a selfpost you should consider rebinding a set of books with your own artwork since you're halfway there with this.
Women are just generally more fun to draw I think. They have more curves and you can draw a wide variety of different body shapes and proportions without it looking off, whereas men are more straight up and down and don't tend to vary as much body-wise. To me men are also just not as aesthetically pleasing as women. When I draw men I find that I often prefer to give them very worn down, wrinkled faces, just because it's less boring to draw I guess.
Whenever I doodle just for fun without any specific idea in mind or without intending to make a finished drawing, my first impulse is always to draw a woman. Sure, it's also because that's what I'm used to/best at, but also because it's just the most enjoyable to me.
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HoloLive EN or Genshin but you'll soon realize that you'd rather have your ~4 drawings a month schedule and never rising than having IXY's schedule.
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yeah hololive is pretty easy to get followers in. this guy has 14k followers and their art looks like this.
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what does the nonas think of Devianart's fanart contests?
I remember there was a small shitstorm at one because only familiar faces won. But I don't know about the others
Nayrt he mainly got popular because he keeps making reddit-tier comics for…reddit>>1008153
Of all the suggestions I recommend Genshin or any currently popular gacha game, Blue Archive, etc whatevers popular. But Genshin is still the best pick because everyone plays it and spends their entire life on twitter. They'll eat any kind of art
Nayrt, and I get why people constantly suggest this but it just bothers me how this advice is the go-to for gaining followers. It feels like such a waste of time and energy if you don't actually like drawing the thing that's popular. And then people are only going to follow an artist for that. Unless your art is remarkably good, the audience you built up is going to drop you like a hot piece of shit the moment you draw anything different. Then you're back at square one anyway. I've seen too many artists draw shit like MLP and Genshin or whatever is popular when they don't even like or engage with the source material and it shows.
Then again if all you want is for your numbers to be bolstered, do whatever it takes to get you there.
If you're tired of the work you're producing and/or the things people associate you with, then by all means go for it. People have a hard time distancing artists from the things they've drawn in the past anyways, it's tiresome. So it's better and reasonable to want to start fresh because we don't always stay with the same interests and ambitions.
Changing your work can be difficult but it depends on how determined you are. Don't make it short lived.
The next OP should include a bit on stating if you're a casual hobbyist/doing it for fun or if you're a serious hobbyist/aiming for pro whenever you ask a question because depending on your relationship with art the answer to your question can be wildly different. >>1010938
NTA but I think she just meant if you don't draw for yourself to some degree (even when clout chasing) you're going to burn out and ruin the enjoyment of making art for yourself anyway. Common advice, actually, how'd you see it as pretentious gatekeeping? Kek
How does this sound like gatekeeping?>>1009918
Well if you plan on making your art strictly business then make sure you have some kind of hobby on the side. Turning your only skill into a job can be soul draining.
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Meh, looks like a budget DeviantArt.
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This shit makes me want not watch any of those movies hyped for being culturally diverse/full of POC
(that I haven't been already super interested in myself). It's like those retarded "if you do not reblog this you are a Nazi racist!!!" comments on Tumblr posts. I would watch that movie like any other, but when Twitterfags reduce it to muh representation and harass others for drawing the characters "wrong", it's repulsive.
I make like 10 bucks a month, not enough to qualify for minimum payout for some monthly snack money. Granted, I'm selling Genshin stickers which is saturated like hell with stolen art so people probably hesitate. Out of all the Genshin designs I've put out, a dumb doodle I did in 5 minutes has been my bestseller ever since.
If you know how to draw normie mundane designs and churn a ton of them it might work. I did a bunch of succulents for shits and giggles in the sea of weeb animu shit and was surprised it's getting decent sales.
As for downloads, I've done some niche R18 artwork of male characters and gotten a few sales but that's it.
agreed, a bit of millennial poc
I didn't watch the movie nor give a shit about adult disney being unhinged on twitter. All these dramas revolving fan arts (and fucking fandom) is incredibly discouraging for anyone wanting to create fanworks ever, especially if someone is poc
is too used with the majority of media they grew up are euro-centric as fuck. It's just isolating as fuck whenever I (east-asian) want to draw something based on my own culture for self-appreciation, before some ~*native & white passing*~ in bio bitches come in and lecture about skin color or clothing patterns. Hell, I'm an artist. I can't imagine kids these days wanting to get into art, still at amateur level & having to abide these shitty ass rule about skin colors without learning proper lighting/shading first. I feel sorry for this generation of "progressive", the weird oppressive olympics they're playing is killing creativity itself.
People bitch about artists only drawing attractive, inoffensive white people and nothing else but if they draw PoC
people they get cancelled by Americans for either drawing them "too white" or "too stereotypical" or for accidentally adding something that could vaguely remind one of slavery and endorsing it. Constantly being afraid of the possible consequences of trying something different kills all creativity and willingness to experiment.
super late, but pre-recorded classes on sites like Udemy and Class101 are only worth it if you have good self-direction. I think CG Spectrum and Schoolism are overall the best choices as far as specific schools go.
If you're interested and can pay for it, I'd advise to research the course you want and then research the instructor, their work, any podcasts or videos they have, and so on. Most of the instructors have free resources and free advice on the school sites too.
And if you're more introverted and/or don't have the chance or ability to actually be in good company with the right connections on your own, doing a mentorship is a great way to find and meet these people, and have direct feedback from them.
It's been the best choice I made for my own art and career, but it might not be for everyone.
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This stupid bitch hasn't acknowledged her hypocrisy and it's so fucking infuriating how these attention whores just stir up shit and run. Good for the people laughing at them in the comments/qrts. And the amusing part is that it's mostly latinos doing it. I feel like more people are becoming aware of how much of a fucking joke these types are.
My thoughts exactly. That's why i only stick around fandoms with mainly white/pale skinned characters lmao, nobody, as of right now, has canceled me for not drawing enough peeohsee, even tho i wouldn't be surprised if this happens :(
There's actually quite a few characters that are dark skinned that i'd like to make fanart of, but i've seen too many artists get cancelled for not drawing them the way twiterrinas wanted, so i'm not risking that(:()
Nowadays, every movie with poc
characters is just going to be used by wokesters to harass and cancel people, such a sad thing that my people and ethnicity are being used for woke witchhunts and blatant, souless cashgrabs
I use the 2020 iPad Pro and Procreate exclusively and have been pretty happy with it. I know some pros use Clip Studio but for some oddball reason it's a subscription model on the iPad rather than the one-and-done on PC and I can't afford that shit.
Also you might want to double check the compatibility, I don't think the first gen pencils work on the those iPad Pros.
I've been in Ethan's before, last I checked it's still full of meme teens and a bunch of circle jerkers whenever he holds an event. Like you said, ymmv, so it was a little off putting to me.
I'm in some smaller discord groups that have a pretty tight knit base with some artists I know. It's just my speed and I can confirm, it has helped me care less about arbitrary metrics like faves and likes.
I've been in a few that larger artists have made and you'd be surprised at how dead a lot of those servers can be.
Got a great reason why because I get pissed off by it.
My boyfriend and I both have art accou ts. His is almost at 10k. Im at 300 people. I just started mine so I dont care about the low followers, makes sense.
When he QRTs anything I do instead of normally retweetibg it, I dont get those likes, HE does. Yes my post is boxed into his tweet, but those likes and replies are under HIS post. I don't get the attention and likes. I had one post where his QRT got 32 likes, my OP got 5 because of my following. Its feels like shit when its your work, but people want to like a more well known artists rtwts.
Basically if you think about it, QRTs work in a similar way as reposting–except people are able to get to the right image easier.
Either way, the person who QRTs gets all the engagement whereas the original tweeter only gets the same IF and only IF people click on the original image and like it.
May I redirect you to >>>/snow/
You don’t have aphantasia you just can’t draw.
She probably decided to start LARPing as a he/him transman now since women drawing yaoi stuff is "problematic
" unless the woman is pretending to be a gay man kek
This is the absolute gayest most pathetic cope I see artists use these days. Twisted disaster also tried to claim that she was imagination blind or whatever it’s called.
It’s just “wow look at what an amazing runner I am, despite my legs being made out of spaghetti, arnt I absolutely remarkable, overcoming these -nonexistent- challenges?”
There isn’t any difference between 32 and 5 likes on Instagram my poor little Nonnie
, they are both an absolute nothing in the abyss of the social media algorithm. Why are you sweating over this?
If your bf only gets 32 likes on an image and bad 10k followers, something is surely wrong. That is terrible engagement, makes me wonder if he bought followers or did folllow-for-follow. I mean that is an incredibley shit ratio
aphantasia is a real thing, but these mediocre artists use it as an excuse to why they suck at drawing without reference because all they know how to do is copy photos.
Sycra on youtube has aphantasia and he's talked about what he's done to overcome it to be able to draw from his imagination.
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Secretnarcissist seems fine but there's something deeply unappealing about her art to me and I can't figure out what it is
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idk why she draws herself like this it seems like anime is all she knows
>>1021376>They seem fine but there's something unappealing about her art to me
Could it just be you don't like their art? Like you're allowed to just not find someone's art appealing… you don't have to list out every reason why you don't like it or try to dig for something wrong with it.
There are anatomy and coloring issues but nothing that is super terrible and scrolling through their twitter they actually seem like… normal?
It's defenitelly not the worst art out there, and I can see why people would like it, but imo in a lot of her drawings she draws the face and head in a way that makes the forehead ridiculous small.
Also that bump in the middle of her torso is weird, I think in this case less would had been more.
because nonnies hate weeb pandering and think 100% realistic proportions is the height of being able to draw.
even though anatomy matters for the sake of it still looking correctly or having some sense of consistency even in a cartoon/anime space, for what the artwork is the anatomy isn't bad. Not the best but not the worst either, probably a 6/10. It's one of those things that come down to personal taste. nothing wrong with it and no need to dig for reasons why this person either has to be awful or their art has to be awful.
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because it’s bad and they’re stylizing before they know anatomy. literally no appeal and the only reason she’s popular is because she’s a youtuber apparently
speaking of, why the fuck are popular YouTube coom pandering artists always so…. bad? another good example is squizxy, picrelated it’s repulsive to look at. at least popular coom artists who got their following through Twitter or other social media tend to be good at drawing even if you don’t like the subject matter
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holyshit, I must be away from coomer artists for so long this is completely new to me. I don't use this word lightly but those male basically grooming their female audiences into sending them free nudes, how tf are these men getting away with it??>>1022126
Completely agree with you anon, the bad art thread in /m/ sums up pretty well about western artists attempting to make hybrid of "cartoon but anime!!" by giving characters ugly exaggerated expressions with "anime" features like big eyes. Or those very try-hard attempts to emulate the Panty and Stocking style but failed horribly.
i did this a few months ago and i'm a lot happier on my new account. unfortunately not a lot of people stick through you with style changes anyways so it's kind of refreshing to start new even if your engagement is lower at the beginning.>>1008297
might just be a coincidence but why do you want validation from her? she doesn't sound like the kind of person to waste your time worrying about. also, she kind of seems like a cow, post art examples lol>>1013766
redbubble honestly isn't worth it because of the small cut you get. it takes longer than you'd think to upload and resize designs, and even if you're one of the top selling designs for a fandom it isn't that much per month. it's honestly better to just make the merch yourself and sell a smaller amount.
>>1021427>There’s so much artwork like this that looks kind of good because it’s digital and really clean but the base drawing is pretty lackluster.
holy shit, this might've been obvious but i never considered this. when i see art that's super clean, my eyes just automatically love it if it has decent coloring, it's harder to see the bad anatomy at a glance like in >>1021376
with how fast people consume art nowadays (literal seconds) i can see why super clean, bright and saturated art is more popular. it's faster to read as "good", whereas something duller with textures can be drawn very well, but it won't catch your eye as fast as something bright and super digital
Completely random rant here.
There's this artist I casually follow on instagram. Their art is fine for instagram standards and nice on the eyes. Recently they announced they had sent their portfolio for a professional job at a company, but had been rejected with a somewhat rude email that they claimed called their art immature and unprofessional (no clue if it actually did, they didn't show it, but it's not impossible). They ranted a while about how they knew they always used the same palete and drew a lot of fandom stuff, but it didn't mean their art was any less than other people that applied, yadah yadah.
Meanwhile, all I could think was, ''It's… it probably wasn't that…''. Like I said, the art is perfectly decent. But if you look at the whole thing overall it's just some women doing poses, some stuff from cartoons (no men in sight), not a lot of different perspectives, no characters interacting, all backgrounds are just patterns and there are a few objects and foods made for keychains and stickers. There isn't anything else. I'm sure everyone here gets the idea. It's not terrible but it's not amazing either.
And they kept ranting about it, until they abruptly deleted all the insta stories (no clue what was that about. Maybe they realized how someone important from the company might see it but it's just a conspiracy theory), and I just fell a weird mix of pity and annoyance.
>>1023413> shiny shit don’t fly in the industry
Except that it kinda does, or at least in western media. I mean, most shows today are the cartoon shit that everyone here complains about >>1023475
Counter question: why take down the post because of a lack of engagement?
Personally, I post my art on whether or not I like it, not for the engagement. Is there a reason to get rid of a post that doesn’t receive as much attention?
If keeping the post and seeing crickets engagement stresses you out, then go for it. I delete my old works frequently usually because I've lost interest in it & mostly don't want people to bring up my old fan arts to have a conversation with me.
As for anon encouraging keeping it for portfolio purpose, eh, just have a separate portfolio. Social media ain't shit. Audiences are sad because artists deleted their works? Should've saved the picture instead of just blindly retweeting it. Heh.
>>1023662>maybe that drawing you want to delete was someone's favorite without knowing
What a weird guiltrip. Personally, I draw for MY own personal satisfaction and growth. If i improve my skills and I'm no longer feeling a piece, or if i start to hate something because it's trash i made in one sitting overnight, why the fuck should I keep it up? If they like shit so much they can save it on their computers. I don't have to force myself to associate with past garbage just to avoid hurting randos feelings.
Same way around. If I take pride on something i enjoyed doing and it gets crickets, who cares. I like it? It reflects my self and my current skills well? It stays up.
>>1023475>Is there any point in keeping it up?
Yeah, it subliminally tells popular people that you are a down on your luck soul who needs one good thing to happen in life.
Find some semi-popular people to (regrettably) engage with and hope they feel like checking out your profile.
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