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No. 970526

Containment thread for all the art salt you could imagine. And sometimes, people ask for help. Stop getting pissy about that.

Discuss the shitty art and even shittier attitude of artists

-Talk about Art Youtubers
-Ask about art supplies
-Discuss trashy art trends
-Instagram bullshit
-Art theft!
-General Art Bullshit
-Fandom and Shipping Discourse!

SCREENCAP EVERYTHING!
WRITE SAGE IN THE E-MAIL FIELD OF YOUR COMMENTS!

Recent Art Milk:
It's always the fucking same kek

Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:
https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learn
https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/

Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix Yoon

MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND.

Previous Thread: >>>/ot/933479

No. 970793

What is the best way to go about making artist friends irl? I want to have friends that are on similar skill level that I can do croquis with (+ healthy level of rivalry). However I'm in a community college and my major is unrelated to art. Prior to a relationship I used Tinder to socialize but that's out of the picture now.

No. 970799

>>970793
I usually find those people by drawing out in the open, like in museums, and just by going to places i know artists tend to go to to draw. Managed to get to know some nice people and even befriended one by just going to the museum to sketch and casually picking up convos at the right moments or attending public live model sessions.

No. 971002

>>970793
Big conventions still aren't happening around me (thank god) but we've been getting a lot of really small events that have been awesome for meeting fellow artists, even when you're not tabling. It's so much easier to start a conversation and make friends when there aren't 50 people behind you trying to buy a keychain from the same artist you're talking to.

No. 971015

>>970793
Use bumble, facebook groups, or hang out near art colleges- they sometimes have events where the alumni and external people all can participate!

No. 971016

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Honestly, I love the old art style of romance novels. I currently lack the skills to do something like this, but I love the rendering and poses.

No. 971026

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To the artists who do commissions for commercial use, how much extra should I charge?
I've read some people charge 500% of the final price, but I don't know if that would be excessive or not.
The style I draw is like picrel, is not my art, but is a similar style.

No. 971033

>>971026
you typed sage in the wrong field anon, just a note.

You should consult your client for their budget & use of your art (use of assets). Ask for royalties for prints. Etc. You can google up existing freelance artist contracts so that your client doesn't screw you over patent in the future.

Many might've seen this already, but I found this art price video is pretty helpful, although does children book illustrations.

No. 971038

>>970799
Thanks! I'm a digital artist though so I'd have to brush up on my skills before I embarrass myself in public haha.

>>971002
Conventions sound like a really cool idea but I'm from nyc so I think most events are pretty large scale (either that or I'm just not hip enough to know about the small ones)

>>971015
Ah I forgot bumble wasn't just for dating! Thanks for the idea on art school events, I think it'll be pretty handy once COVID dies down completely.

No. 971052

>>971016
Based. I too love the style and am trying to recreate it digitally, since I think all the old ones were painted with acrylic. Sadly some style is lost and I'm not a great painter.

No. 971078

>>971016
it's very skilled paintings, do people hate on them?

No. 971291

>>971078
I think it's cuz they're heavily associated with old timey raunchy adult romance novels? I always found them amazing. Imagine the amount of work put into one novel cover.

No. 971350

>>971026
In my experience, I've asked them how much they're willing to pay. SOMETIMES you get lucky and they'll pay more than you were expecting. But have a set price in mind, and if they offer less, state your offer. IF they really want your art, they'll be willing to negotiate at this point. You should break down your cost with reasons (i.e. "this style takes a lot of time to get the details just right", "if you want revisions, it'll cost extra"). In business negotiations, the first one to name a number loses; art is no different.

No. 971397

>>971291
more like
>cuz they're heavily associated with old timey raunchy romance novels for women

No. 971430

Anons how good do you have to be to reasonably be able to take comissions? I'm a hobbyist and I've got a good grasp of anatomy and making things mildly pretty with flat colors. Is that enough? How do I start? Pls help.

No. 971435

>>971430
Anon I've seen people make money off of adoptables and when their skill level is really low, you just have to know your worth. Think about the time it takes you to produce something, think about your skill set, compare the prices you're thinking about with other artists of a similar skill set. I think you could offer commissions at almost any skill level, it's not really about how well you draw, but how much your audience responds to your drawings. Her adoptables are cute and quirky, and people like the idea of having a special character only they can use or whatever, so that person has a relatively easy time selling them.

No. 971438

>>971430
tbh getting commissions usually depends more on having a fanbase/followers that like your art than your actual art skill.i've been people with pretty crap mediocre art getting their commissions slots filled in no time. there's no such thing as 'how good do you have to be to take commissions', but rather if you have people interested in your art regardless of skill.

No. 971512

>>971078
Mostly because critque think of it as tacky entertainment art, while modern consumer think of it as conservative sexist art. When in reality the meaning behind it is no different than any modern fanarts except they are painted by professional of that time.

No. 971684

>>971430
Anon from previous thread had mentioned that even at hobbyist level you can still charge $100 for a full body. You can deduce from there for half body and bust options.

No. 972039

>>971430

>>971684
^ this post right here anon. You’re a hobbyist rn, so you don’t have to worry about the “perfect” price for your work. Just getting started/making a name for yourself is good enough.
But If you want, You can also look up examples online, or if you want to go the extra mile look for artstyles similar to yours and base your pricing on it. Remember anon, if someone really wants it, they’ll pay for it

No. 972096

I think from now on I'm going to buy zines discounted, prices have risen so much in the past years (especially with custom taxes) and b-grades quality is decent enough.

No. 972268

Realized I posted in the old thread, here I go again:

Since all the black friday sales are coming up, I thought that this would be a good opportunity to get my hands on a drawing tablet with screen (already have one without screen). Do you have any recommondations for a good tablet? Not sure if I want a normal screen tablet or something like an iPad or Android Tablet, so I can draw wherever I am.

No. 972274

>>972096
zine production and prices have been getting more and more ridiculous. at this point it's less of a fun fan project and more of a fan collab fancy merch item.

No. 972293

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Cleanse our souls and our eyes Serenity Sam

No. 972387

>>972268
I have a huion kamvas 16 and it's pretty great. I had an ipad pro before and I honestly couldn't get comfortable with it, it's a great tablet but I didn't love the pen and I prefer to use my regular computer programs anwyay. I was skeptical about huion since their stuff seems to be hit or miss but so far I've had no issues at all.

No. 972407

>>972387
Same on the huion thing. I've heard many people saying it was great, but also heard an equal amount saying that huions often come with driver problems and compatibility problems with some art programs (a friend of mine had a huion that refused to work with paint tool SAI for example).

No. 972416

>>972407
Nta but I also have a Kamvas 16 and before that I had the WH1409 and didn't have issues with either. I use a lot of programs too, FireAlpaca, Krita, SAI, Sketchbook, Illustrator and PS

No. 972418

>>972268
I’m a professional illustrator and own an iPad, wacom intuos pro and wacom cintiq 16.
I only use the iPad for sketching since I find even the 12.9” too small to work on comfortably. The cintiq I mainly bought because of the wacom brand name. The pen is fantastic but the screen isn’t that good, it’s a little dark and non-laminated plastic film. Overall the drawing experience is good but the cheaper competitors are definitely catching up and they will often have better screens (color gamut, lamination, etched glass etc). If I got another tablet I’d check them out before wacom and probably go for a bigger screen than 16” too.

No. 972544

>>972407
I own a huion too and I discovered that the main issue tend to be anti-cheating programs, like the ones multiplayer vidya have or even just videogame store launches like steam

No. 972767

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still waiting to see if any of this stuff ever gets proven

No. 973021

>>972767
I vaguely remembered that he admitted he had traced in the past, and now he's on a "redemption" for it by catching tracers.

As for the interviewing, yeah, it is pretty dodgy but pretty much same tactics as any sensational journalist. When the target of his topic point refused an interview, he still made a video about them anyways, and went as far as painting them being unapproachable (strange, how people don't trust you since your channel is known for roasting other content creators).

As a much older artist who was somewhat involved with the newgrounds/animation crowd in the past, I just think this kid just needs better influence & peers instead of being surrounded by only nsfw artists.

No. 973358

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God is dead

No. 973694

>>972268
I'm also a professional illustrator and I use a Wacom small, I've used it for 13 years now and never had troubles with it.I don't plan on changing it unless it breakes.
I personally prefer non-screen tablets, I think they are cheaper too, if you are just starting you wouldn't want to spend too much money on something you may regret getting. Just my opinion

No. 973835

>>973694
Not a professional illustrator, but a designer who does illustrations as a hobby, and I second this.

I use my tablet both for my job and my illustrations, and I have a medium-sized Wacom Intuos Pro that's wuite the oldie and still works perfectly. It's very sturdy as well, I lost the count of times I accidentally dropped something on it yet it still worked as if nothing had happened. Back when I went to buy it I had taken a look at some screen tablets of the same size but their price was infinitely higher compared to the ones without screens, but I suppose that kind comes from personal preference too. I know some coworkers of mine who just can't use screen-less tablets at all, while others are the opposite.

No. 973890

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webcomic artist having a meltdown over webtoon
https://archive.vn/9hi8J

No. 973897

>>973358
and men killed her

No. 973901

>>973890
They're kinda right tho. But webtoon is for kids anyway so who cares

No. 973914

>>973890
as a fellow comic auteur I agree with this dude lol, this platform isn't for people who are serious about graphic novel and sequential arts.
I do feel bad for the kids who started out with webtoon format, and having to unlearn all this "mobile optimized" bs when they get published on prints later.

No. 973945

>>973914
oh yeah they're completely right, it's just the way they're still complaining about this shit almost 24hrs after they first posted it is funny.

No. 973949

>>973890
He's complaining about the site giving tips to help its users optimize their work to function properly on the site, what's the problem here? boomer behavior. vertical comics look best on mobile, and more and more people only have a phone or tablet as opposed to a desktop computer. if you have an online comic you should take advantage of a comic site that works vertically

No. 973954

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>>973945
AYRT
oh yeah, webcomic vs webtoon artist bitch fight is still on going on this person's twitter apparently. it is hilarious to how the arguments reduced into petty QRTs now

man I'm glad im retired from social media, just bad for my blood pressure ngl

No. 973964

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>>973954
we're reaching stupid levels of salt here

No. 973971

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>>973964
omg anon your file name.

okay im still reading up and ngl id be friend with this person lol, the salty boomer energy

No. 974014

>>973971
they're right though

No. 974056

>>973971
They've been pissing their pants about this for way too long now though kek, they're so mad about webtoons. Imagine having them rant at you for hours about shit you don't care about, like chill out and go draw your boomer comics then.

No. 974180

>>973949
>here? boomer behavior. vertical comics look best on mobile
Aren't most comics these days already vertical? A typical manga or graphic novel page looks totally fine on a phone.

No. 974197

Holly Brown just announced in her commissions livestream (her channel is renamed RazorLaser) that she's now in a poly throuple with TwistedDisaster and her husband

No. 974214

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>>974197
Damn, what a twist. This is not what I was expecting

No. 974248

>>974197
That’s really sad. I feel like she’s latching onto any relationship she can get because she’s all alone

No. 974252

>>974248
Yeah, like you have to know that you’re the third wheel to a married couple smh

No. 974253

>>974248
Yeah. She said twice early in the stream "when I'm traveling to see my gf and bf" clearly wanting people to ask about it. And she made a point of saying she isn't going to share so much with youtube now because she respects herself. Then as soon as someone asked, she said while they were at the ren faire that TD asked her to be her girlfriend and Holly was like "you're married" and TD said you can also date Cody too, he wants to and Holly agreed to it. So there was no romantic buildup to this whatsoever. And Holly was talking about how she's getting on birth control. She's too old to be so naive.

No. 974264

>>974253
This smells of desperation, like she’s spent basically the entire pandemic alone and has no irl friends around her so she’s jumping into this relationship so she has an excuse to meet up with people and have some semblance of a romantic relationship. Also isn’t she lesbian, or did she switch back to being bi?

No. 974277

>>974180

They mean full page layout VS infinite scrolling. Their argument isn't really that comics made in webtoons sucks, it's the forced format that people are breaking their necks over. And they're right, the infinite scroll format sucks ass. It's so inefficient and not versatile. If you want to do literally anything else with it, or read it on anything other than a phone,you can't without it looking like dog shit. It's not a boomer opinion it's just facts.

>>974253
Full offense but why is it always the greasy people weeding their way into what they think is a poly relationship? She's doomed to fail, and fall back into her hole once she gets rejected, or fucks up. She was so desperate to show off her relationship so badly. TD isn't even 5 yrs into her marriage I don't think. Sounds like a hasty afterthought.

No. 974279

>>974277
The fact that she was desperate to show off her new relationship on stream means she’s either searching for validation because she knows she fucked up or she’s deluded and thinks this is a great idea. Greasy people tend to be the only ones desperate enough to accept third wheel status. How long do you think this thing will last?

No. 974281

>>973890
I hate the immature twitter overreaction but this person is right.

No. 974296

>>974277
>>974281
IKR they made pretty sound arguments imo, I'm too much of a coward to agree with them in public considering a lot of my mutuals operate on webtoon now.
I read up on the people replied to their thread, and there was one linking OP's webcomic to "dunk" as saying OP's arts aren't that great to put down webtoon artists (which is a low, low blow damn).

It's sad to see OP is a minority in this but really a lot of industry comic artists don't bother to fuck with social media when it's infested with mostly zoomers now.

No. 974558

>>974197
I’ll have to watch the livestream and timestamp it, And if it isn’t a joke, that’s hilarious, especially after TD’s whole video dedicated to dunking on poly- saying how those relationships are never meant to work out

No. 974682

Traditional art nonnies, I have a question.

My little sister's big into gouache watercolor rn, is the Sakura Koi and jelly gouache sets okay for beginners? I've seen that they're both shit or amazing or are there better alternatives?

No. 974746

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https://twitter.com/hotGlossed/status/1462493436456706051?t=EzcSzSUMg6oep_HY5vFOGw&s=19 imagine being an artist with 222k followers doxxing another artist with 1k because she asked info about the $300 commission she wanted 3 months for

No. 974762

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>>974746
I just checked that person's twitter, and they posted screenshots of the full conversation.
https://twitter.com/velurbie/status/1462517153710710784

No. 974764

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>>974746

here is the super amazingly intricate $75 sketch

No. 974765

>>974764
It looks terrible. Did the artist spend only 10 minutes on this? Holy shit.

No. 974773

>>974762
Kek. The person themself even doxxed their email and private contacts.

Ok, but Honestly seems like a shit thing either way. The set price for the sketch is $75, so I understand why the artist didn’t compromise, yet the artist didn’t complete the full sketch- they said themself with the lighter that they didn’t add in.

No. 974779

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>>974764
>you’re going to pay the full price for all my hard work on that 4 min sketch
>commission examples for the sketch
Kek

No. 974780

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>>974682
I haven't used that particular gouache but the Koi watercolors are one of my favorite cheap sets. The colors are vibrant and they flow well.

The biggest thing for painting is to use decent paper. For ages I thought I hated watercolors but it was just because cheaper paper doesn't handle paint well, even if it's for watercolor. Fabriano has a student grade option that has a bit of cotton in it, and for practicing it's been ok. The more cotton, the better, but it gets pricey quickly lol

No. 974781

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>>974773

Apparently, HotGlossed changed the TOS after this all popped off. The sketch >>974764 is clearly nothing like >>974779 so I think the commissioner kind of has a point.

https://twitter.com/velurbie/status/1462518698019860486

No. 974788

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>>974781
> I think the commissioner kind of has a point.
Yeah, at first I gave the benefit of the doubt to the artist because I didn’t know them, or know what their art looked like

No. 974792

>>974764
This artist is a scammer kek. I checked the comissioners Twitter and apparently this was her first time buying a commission. This woman is never buying a comission ever again kek She's getting dogpiled by his 200k followers now.

No. 974798

>>974792
> her first time buying a commission

Well that explains why she couldn’t see all the red flags when the artist made it apparent that he had a lot of other commissions to do yet still took her offer, then takes months to show progress.

No. 974838

>>973971
What would be a good place to host comics? I'm interested in posting my comics and since webtoon has the most popularity i thought it would provide the most opportunities to get myself out there.

No. 974852

>>974746
I don't know either of the artists. Here's my perspective as someone who has been taking commissions for nearly a decade.

When I looked into the details, unfortunately I will have to side with the 200K followers artist. The commissioner mentioned about it was them "acting unprofessional" when there's no specifics about it except pointing to the TOS revision (from no refund to refund at sketch stage is sketch price).

I see the style stage is still similar to the sketch style sample, and artist should be allowed to charge at that price for a refund. It's the client who didn't want to take it up and listened to bad advice from friends which ended up making a false claims (which is historically fucking both sides of the client and seller since Paypal is such a bitch like that).

The two of them could've worked out in a bit communication wise. Otherwise just take back your $75 and leave lmao.

No. 974853

>>974852
same anon, what I meant is taking back what had subtracted to $75 (idk the artist's original price)

No. 974855

>>974852

you can't say the sketch they gave the commissioner looked anything like their sketch samples though

No. 974856

>>974838
I use gumroad and itchio. I've seen some veteran comic artists have been posting their full comic in twitter thread recently too.
You can make a thread to post a first few pages of your comic as hook, then the final tweet to the thread would be link to your ebook storepage. Good luck anon!

No. 974857

Honestly, this is just a break down in communication and unprofessional on both sides, I wouldn't want to deal with either of them. While I hate when commissioners try to give me a ton of revisions, I also hate when artists with large followings absolutely steamroll, threaten and sic their followers on smaller artists. It could have gone down a lot better than this hot mess.

No. 974858

>>974855
doesn't hurt to clean up a bit or subtract a few dollars on it, I just see OP's sketches (including sample) are much cleaner than mine.

No. 974860

>>974857
I don't agree with the fact that large follower artists will have to act like influencers, in which keeping everything in private. The PP dispute is more complicated than that, as I've seen artists gotten their balance being froze and taken hostage by PP because of incident like these.
I'd like to know what kind of client I get to avoid working with in the future too, a whispernet/blacklist should be good enough.

No. 974922

>>974764
This isn't one of those sketches for $75. That's his rough sketch, not finalized sketch order for $75.

No. 974929

>>974860
They also aren't siccing anyone after anyone either. They are publicly warning other artists to take this commissioner. They aren't doxxed either as this is a commission account, not their personal facebook or real name or anything either. This is important in the community to share this knowledge and going and DMing every artist instead is way too much hassle. This proves a point to other people thinking of acting this way. The artist was reasonable imo. Neither of them are showing how many revisions he asked for, but from the sounds of it, it's a lot of details the guy didn't even give the artist to begin with and basically sounds like he has to start over. I would have put that in the back of the pile too, especially if I had some work prepped, like this was, before moving forward after approval from the commissioners. I don't know how many anons here take commissions, but starting from scratch sometimes means you have to be scrabbled back in line. He's still willing to do a more solid sketch with all the revisions for the original cost of his sketches, but the guy instead said he'd do that and then opened a full refund case even though the artist agreed to a refund except $75.

The commissioner is trash.

No. 974932

>>974852
It's basically something in the community to blacklist people who do this through PayPal because it can lock up artists' accounts. This is why you should do it independently. It gets a mark from the company and you get enough of those, you get your account banned and you've stolen someone's way of income at that point.

No. 974964

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TIL people are willing to wait 3 months or more for a commission

No. 974967

>>974964 terms of service says commissions can take anywhere from a few weeks to a couple months and after 3 months the sketch isnt even finis
hed

No. 974968

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heartmush is auctioning an adoptable with the starting price at $200 and autobuy at $600 …not a single bid yet: https://www.deviantart.com/heartmush/art/adopt-auction-open-updated-APPLE-BLOSSOM-898592272

No. 974973

>>974968
No wonder, the design and art are fucking atrocious. She could have bothered to polish up the artwork at least, but even then the colors are weird.

No. 974995

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>>974968
The review reminded me of that one (prince?) character from Deltarune and thought that was cute until I saw the full piece.

The legs, fuck auction someone please call an ambulance now.

No. 975009

It's so confusing too. Why add that saturated orange shadow? Adoptables should have clear colors with soft shadows so you can see what the design's like. It looks rushed too, though that may be her or the other designer's fault.

No. 975024

>>974968
I get why adoptables are popular to do, but even as someone who loves designing characters, I couldn’t get into the hype because I can’t imagine putting work into designing an original character and drawing an illustration for a slim chance that someone /might/ pay 100 or 200 bucks tops to own it. At least with commissions I could get paid the same amount for a half-body of some existing character and not worry about wasted effort.

No. 975064

How do I make reels for instagram? Do people record it on tiktok and then upload to insta

No. 975157

>>975024
If you like designing characters you really should try adoptables out anon. If you put effort into your designs and spend some time among other adoptable artists then it's almost guaranteed that you'll get someone to buy them. I see people successfully selling bad doodles.

No. 975177

>>974964
I waited 2 years and a half for my first commission, and didn't even get it. She gave me a refund after 2 and a half years.

No. 975180

>>975177
Jfc, and I feel bad having to ask for an extra day or two.

No. 975182

>>974995

Adoptables almost always have trashy, cluttered designs. The people who buy them generally aren't artists, so they're distracted by all the colors and details crammed into one design. This is so stupid. It's not even an interesting concept, it just looks like someone puked up orange soda.

No. 975183

>>975177
Jesus christ, anon you have the patience of a saint. I'm an artist myself and because of that I know that most others need a month or so to finish their craft, so when I'm commissioning someone I tend to even give them two or three months even of leeway. But anything more than that and I'll start asking questions, let alone a year- by that point I'll have asked for a refund already.

No. 975185

Speaking of commissions, anons how do you feel being commissioned by someone who you consider to be your friend?

I've had both good and bad experiences with these situations. Most of them good, but I also went through enough times featuring "friends" (people who I actually bonded with for over a year or more, that I genuinely thought were a friend) actually not paying or not wanting to pay and just ghosting me or making up excuses "because we are friends!".

No. 975187

>>975185
When I take a commission from anyone, I ask for 30% upfront, I give them a date of completion, I tell them I can offer WIPs, and they finish the payment at completion. I've yet to have someone skip out on me.

No. 975203

>>972268
I know I'm 3 days late but I'd figure I could give one more bit of experience. I recently bought an xp pen xp pen artist 12 2nd gen as my first screen tablet and my hopes are high. I've only ever owned wacom or huion so I'm excited to try out the new player. Never had bad huion driver experiences (probably because I don't own a screen tablet yet) but I find their pens very easy to break. Never ever ever let them fall off your desk. Once or twice is fine, but then it just breaks. I find wacom far too pricey for me now but at least their pens never broke on me.
>>975185
I get commissioned by friends all the time and it's okay. It has to be people you trust for real I think, and when it's the case I always feel bad for taking their money. Friends tend to be more patient, and I appreciate that. I guess don't fuck with people who are antsy or are not financially responsible. I kept politely refusing this one (now ex)friend who was a furry who later on became homeless, I simply won't take money from friends who make it known how bad they are with their money.

No. 975204

>>974968
Dude got a starting bid. Why

No. 975205

>>975204
it was probably by someone who's not an artist and just wants another """""pretty""""" oc to submit to their toyhou.se page and then never touch it again.

No. 975246

>>975183
It's because I'm weak-willed and a coward and I remember the exact times I asked for an update throughout the years, and it was 3 times in total. Plus the fact that they changed accounts too during those 2 years I was waiting. It was also my first comission ever, needless to say I never got one again. When I used to do comissions, after that experiene I made it my life-line to finish them in 1 week or 2 max

No. 975291

Another question about commissions; How do you anons handle taking multiple at once, particularly the payment? Like if you take payment upfront but have five slots open, do you take payment for all of them at once and then work on everything at the same time or one after another and leave some people waiting for a few weeks after they have paid? Or would it make more sense to contact customers only when you're free to work on theirs, in a way promising them the spot, but only asking for payment once everything else has been cleared?
I'm asking because I've only taken a few once and felt unsure with the time I left people waiting. The sketches were all done quickly after they paid, but then I had issues finishing everything during the estimate I gave out and some people waited two days for lines while others waited four etc. It went okay in the end, but working on multiple things at once and keeping others waiting was very stressful for me, so I'm wondering if there is some proper way to manage it?

No. 975296

>>975291
I usually do one commission at a time rather than doing all of them at the same time. I tell my commissioners that "you're 3rd on the list, your spot is secured though so just wait a little bit please!" or something like that and when their turn comes i take their payment upfront.

No. 975399

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>>974682
i personally use talons plakkaatverf gouache which i swear by, and i feel its much better than jelly gouache. sure its more expensive, but its much easier to clean, and so smooth.
i started off with regular watercolors though, and that really was a better starting point than jumping straight into gouache imo since it’s more forgiving.
if you wanted to get the royal talens set, i’d get the 5 tube set. thats more than enough for beginner.

No. 975565

>>975291
Since I open few slots at a time, I take all the payments at once so the whole process is more streamlined for me. Tbh communication is the part that slows me down the most and I find it tedious to have to contact the next person to get their payment every time I'm done with a commission, I just prefer to get that out of the way first. I know how you feel about stressing out over making people wait since I used to feel that way too, but from the client's perspective it doesn't really make much of a difference being charged one week sooner or later. As long as you're clear about your max turnaround time there's no issue imo. I also find it helpful to have a public trello so people can check my progress and see which commission(s) I'm currently working on whenever they want. It's up to you and how you work best honestly. Good luck anon!

No. 975606

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>>974746
adding to this gloss artist, I was digging through their page and… who in the right mind would pay $200 for something in this style?

No. 975610

>>975606
I aim to reach a point where I can just refuse commissions with characters I don't like

No. 975618

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Imagine looking like this and calling someone else a pedo and attacking then irl mean girls style over an anime ship lmao, I can’t

https://twitter.com/iamlunasol/status/1462648036715286535?s=21

No. 975622

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>This thread has already descended to 'this art piece isn't worth the price! what's supply and demand?'

No. 975631

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>>975618
use screenshots not links

that said, even though iamlunasol can be a cow this is insanity. who tf goes that far and then calls someone else the bully? How do you threaten someone else with physical harm and then try to give them "a gift" and act like they're a bully because they didn't want to open a box you probably had some sort of knife in or tampered with?

No. 975640

>>975631
she looks way too nerdy not to know how to use apostrophes

No. 975733

>>975631
iamlunasol is definitely a cow but zoomers (and middle schoolers) wanting to hurt her and then chickening out is definitely funny. There are several raging literal middle schoolers in her replies at all times, she even did a colossalcon texas recap thread and they were there too. I thought twitter users were all about deleting kneecaps what happened?

No. 975752

>>975606
the price isn’t an issue if people pay for it tbh, have commissioned other artists for 5x the price (and no, not for porn). he was reasonable up until he changed his terms on the commissioner imo and asked them to pay for the sketch though and i would never commission him. im sure many other people will though

No. 975849

>>974764
>claims to be professional
>almost 2 months pass
>barely has a sketch done and still wants $75 for it

the commissioner was wrong to open a claim when the artist was offering a refund, but this artist is shit too. imagine sitting on another person's $300 and not working on the drawing for weeks. if you can't deliver in a timely manner you're no professional.

No. 975851

>>975291
My boyfriend offers partial or full. A lot of people outright pay in full because they know how commissions work, but around holidays, partial and then the rest before sending full files with proper quality, is a good route too. Just make sure you don't send all the original files before getting the finished payment. Put a watermark over a preview of the final product, get the other half of the commission, and then send everything without watermarks. Also creating a full sheet with all the info you need is important. If you are worried about deadlines, you could let people know that you will take people and finish in the order you get them, but also be clear that the receipt time is a minimum X-amount of weeks. This way people can't pretend they don't see that as it's on your main promotion sheet. Also adding in "no refunds" is a good one. If you do all your sketches at once, I would still keep the line in which you got your slots, and finish the sketches into finals in that order instead of skipping around. This also eliminates you working on too many things at once and since you have approved sketches, you'll be ahead in the next commission once you finish the first slot commission. I hope that made sense.

No. 975859

>>975752
They agreed on a concrete sketch after the initial requests to a rough sketch that the commissioner never even mentions those details to begin with. I have a feeling at this point your self posting because the logic you are throwing around is absurd and highly stupid. They agreed to refund $225. Instead, the commissioner decided to possibly lock up the artist's way of making money by opening a false claim, when they already agreed on the artist keeping $75 for a paid sketch. The fact that they did the false claim is absolutely a reason to change ToS. They were going to keep the original ToS for this guy until he fucked the artist over. Of course, he'd change it after that. That's exactly what anyone with ToS do when they have a customer who completely disregards everything for selfish, clout chasing, reasons. This is a case of one person ruining it for everyone else. Now no one gets the chance of any refund because this person wanted to be a selfish piece of shit.

There is nothing the artist did wrong in this. It's a pissy brat who thinks they can fuck with an artist and I'm so glad they got called out in the community. The fact that they were pussy enough to even do a paypal claim and put the artist's livelihood at jeopardy, is the most pathetic thing possible. There's an unspoken rule that you don't pull that shit in the community and this little bitch did just that. I hope they get blacklisted and people deny them commissions.

No. 975871

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>>975859
Here's the reference they gave. I would've also interpreted the arrow for the turtleneck to mean they want the whole top to be a turtleneck and even in their description they don't mention the hoodie. They specified a turtleneck. Also they didn't give much more in reference to show that that hair is made of cement and actual forever placement. The pose straight up looks like it's supposed to be. The hair in the face forward has the look of movement because it looks like it has movement as well from the posed character model. That's when a character sheet comes in handy which the commissioner should've had for something as detailed as needing arbitrary "1-2 inches longer in the back". I'll share the changes they wanted. This hyper-detailed stuff they wanted changed is annoying, this is stuff she should've thought about when prepping their request. They even admitted it's their first time commissioning, so it's not the artist's job to coach them on how to go about properly ordering a commission. Details like that need to be stated and her arrow and written in wants aren't description enough.

No. 975873

this incident makes me think whether male commissioners are such anal to work with.
every "commission artist nightmare" stories I have is always with male client: pestering on showing WIPs almost DAILY, overtly explicit in nsfw description without prompt, "babe im a popular twitch streamer i'm sure your art as banner will be a huge boost to you" aka For Exposure.

My TOS is thick as fuck and I made it's impossible for clients to place an order without reading & agreeing to it, ever since then all my clients are just nice & patient women who wants to have their het ships drawn lol. Lesson for all: be strict on your TOS and revise annually.

No. 975874

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>>975871
If you're going to dig in about needing hair to touch the clavicle, Jesus Christ, actually put that information in instead of waiting for a sketch when these minuscule character details that make the character of so unique, should be written down and a back/side/front would be nice for people having to recreate the look. Not just an action shot where it looks like it's not on purpose, but instead of being an in motion hairstyle.

No. 975876

>>975873
I think its just the whole "few spoil the bunch" but never had issues except a few that took interacting as a way to put a move on or my S/O had an issue where one dude deep-dived because my S/O cut him off for trying to tell him their life story and talk about kinks and just got unprofessional instead of a "Give me money and I'll draw for you" and the guy found his Facebook and found his real name because at the time he used a different PayPal email and it just got worse. I don't see a lot of women having that crazy attachment issue. He thinks it might be because guys who are degenerates just go crazy when they commission sometimes because they want to think everyone who draws NSFW is also into their gross kinks and that's so highly untrue and they get comfortable and want lockerroom talk. Luckily my S/O isn't like that and winds up blocking those people. He made the mistake once of adding someone on Discord and became friends until the friend had this idea in his head that my S/O and him had something going on and sent him a dick pic. Like wtf. Guys are just deranged in general, but I know a lot of girls who act the same way with IRL artists like musicians/singers and actors.

No. 975905

>>974995
Awwww, this is actually fairly cute tbh.

No. 975912

>>975874
lol this sort of bullshit is what I always worried commissions would be like - private customers are a fucking nightmare if you don't reign them in

No. 975939

>>975874

this kind of shit is the worst. seriously, if you're going to be this fucking picky just learn to draw yourself. no artist is going to want to tolerate you being this anal about every little detail. this is literally intolerable.

No. 975941

>>975606
Nitpicking a bit here but the wording on that commission sheet… "i will not do certain characters i don't like the designs of" can't you just say, i dunno, "i won't draw questionable ideas/designs" or something instead, lol

>>975876
can relate kek, i had a couple uncomfortable experiences with people who seemed way too eager to talk about nsfw topics at the slightest opportunity. Must be all that coom in the brain.

No. 975958

>>975871

it was still the very rough sketch stage and the artist agreed to do the revisions for free anyways, it's not on the commisioner if the artist agrees.

also the artist never had any deduction of the sketch fee from refunds term when the client commisioned them, they made that up halfway through.

https://twitter.com/velurbie/status/1462518698019860486?s=20(this is an imageboard. post screencaps)

No. 976006

>>975177
>>975246

nonie thats crazy!! please share what was the comission was im so curioussssss! theres obviously no excuse for what they did but i just find it odd that they just kept running from what you asked lol.

No. 976144

>>975941
NTA the wording on commission sheet TOS can be simplified to "I have the rights to refuse commission without explanation" or something in that regard, I've seen a few artist used this too.

No. 976164

I don't get adoptables. What legal action could actually be taken if someone started drawing the adoptable or at least one heavily inspired by it? As long as someone isn't profiting off it, surely that isn't illegal, correct?

No. 976165

>>976164
who would wanna take action? the former is free fanart and the latter is just petty plagiarism, which every big artist deals with anyway so nbd

No. 976166

>>976164
I thinks it's more of a community policing thing. It's more like a verbal agreement among the community that you just don't do that and if you do, expect some serious blowback from said community. Basically, if you decide to go against the rules of said friend group you'll be kicked out of the group. If you don't mind that then there's really nothing stopping someone from just copying someone else's adoptables or closed species.

The thing is if someone really wants to have an adoptable or closed species, chances are that they also want to be apart of that community so they try not to do anything that would piss off said community.

No. 976170

>>976164
kek i told a friend before she should just make her own character the adoptable specie she wanted. its like people really dont get you could just draw it yourself because its already widely spread on the internet. if the creator wanted such set in stone characters and species they should have made original material for them like comics/animation/games. in that sense those would be the canon ones while everything outside them is fanmade.

No. 976193

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>>975859
in what works is the left sketch the same quality as the right? making them pay the same price is ridiculous

No. 976257

>>976164
It's a community thing. No one can stop you from making a character from a closed species without paying, but you won't be able to roleplay or interact with anyone from the community. And if you sell the adoptables, you can expect to be blacklisted everywhere and you won't be able to sell shit.
Adoptables are just like any other form of art commission. You're paying someone to get a cool drawing and a character design, and if someone copies it or heavily references it, it's just like someone copying a random commission and calling it theirs. Nothing happens if someone steals a piece of digital art, they just get called out and blacklisted and that's it.

No. 976264

This whole adoptables thing reminds me of a popular closed species all the way from DA days that became notorious for the high prices you had to pay to buy a "premium" design. Protogens, I think? I wasn't part of the adoptable community but a friend of mine was and she'd tell me how if you wanted a special protogen, called a "Primogen" or smth, you had to pay up a lot.

I find adoptables and even closed species an interesting concept and have been slowly dipping my toes in the community, but sometimes I do keep thinking about these closed species with "premium" designs that are so incredibly expensive. Like just…why? Why charge $1000 on a design just because it has wings as its differential?

No. 976271

>>975874
This person is a nit picker, if they’re that specific about the drawing then they can draw it themselves. This is just a “move it a liiiitle more to the right….now a little more to the left…. oh Nevermind, to the right again” person. The artist should have been clearer about revisions beforehand, most artists either outright refuse revisions or limit it to 1 or 2. If not, they’re subject to being their client’s slave until the commission is up.
There are a LOT of reasons to avoid revisions, other than it adding more work to the artist. It often wrecks the drawings composition and destroys the artists flow.

No. 976272

>>976271
Pls look at this and compare with what they got
>>976193
>>974779

No. 976281

>>976166
What's a closed species?
>>976264
What's a premium design?

No. 976305

>>976272
I really don’t see that great deal of a difference, it is nothing to note. Whatever an artist includes in their portfolio or their price sheet is their BEST work, commissioners need to keep that in mind.

The artist cut them off dramatically, but when you’re a professional you grow the ability to sus out problem customers. Everything about the way the commissioner was talking and acting is manipulative, and by having them put the artist on blast like that it totally proves the artist was 100% correct in their suspicions. If they would have continued to indulge the commissioner with their requests it would have never ended. This is only the sketch stage and they’ve already requested extensive minuscule changes, imagine how many changes they would ask for in the color stage? They would be likely to say something like “after seeing this in color I don’t think the pose is working”, it happens many times. Artists need to be assertive to survive.

No. 976306

>>976281
Basically someone creates a "species" which fall into specific visual characteristics. It's a closed species when the artists asks that no one outside of the adopted community draw it (which I think is retarded). So say I draw a species of bear-like animals. They have antennae, their coats can have specific patterns, and specific colors etc. I made the design as the original creator, and someone adopt that's bear-like animal. No one is allowed to draw their own bear-like animal, only me, until they adopt one from me. After they adopt, that design is theirs to do what the want with. Draw, role-play, etc. Most of the time you're "not allowed" to make changes to the design. A premium design would be a bear-like creature but with extra shit. So a bear-like with wings, which is "rare" in the bear-like species.

No. 976313

>>976305
I want to partially redact what I said because it looks like it was the ARTIST that put the customer on blast. That’s highly unprofessional. I agree with the artist not wanting to work with the commissioner, but the artist needs better professional skills, like taking a deposit and communicating more. As a professional, you do not want to cry over 75 dollars. It’s nothing. If you want to live off of your art than you better start working in a way that you only put up this kind of a hulla balloo when it actually matters, 75 dollars is a drop in the bucket to real living expenses.

No. 976340

>>976305
regardless if its nitpicky moving the hair is something that can be fixed with the lasso tool and the hoodie is a misunderstanding that can be fixed with 10 freaking strokes.
>Whatever an artist includes in their portfolio or their price sheet is their BEST work, commissioners need to keep that in mind.
On a portfolio sure but not as samples?? right pic isn't even what they advertised, there's even more of a difference compared to >>974779.

No. 976344

>>976313

i think if they were nice enough to be ghosted by the artist for at least a month and not ask for updates and then only getting a very halfdone sketch, the commissioner has the rights to ask for a couple revisions and even ten, it is the artist who agreed to those revisions and didn't tell the commissioner that they would be pushed back on the priorities list until the commissioner themselves asked for an update aa month and a half later.

>>976305

also if it was their portfolio then i'd agreed somewhat but those examples are from their commissions information site, i.e. where they're meant to show commissioners what theyre to be paying for.

the artist is absolutely the shady one here by randomly making up the no sketch refund rule months after accepting the commission, not telling the commissioner their work was gonna be pushed back, and then demanding $75 for a sketch that do not match the sketches that artists themselves value as $75

No. 976345

>>976344

* that the artist themselves, like the one demanding the money, value as $75

No. 976349

>>976344
I found it soo weird that the artist pushed the commission down the list when the revisions were asked for? I agree that it would have been nice to be more specific in the beginning, but the artist also could have asked a few questions themselves before hand. But yeah, pushing it down the list is weird. The fact that they were taking new commissions and finishing them that whole time that person was waiting makes zero sense. You wouldn't move them to the bottom of the list because they asked for a couple of changes, you'd keep working on it as planned, you'd keep it in its original time slots and maybe ask for a couple extra days… There is no logic to it. It's like the artist was pissed and wanted to punish the commissioner by pushing her down the list and forcing her to wait. They are both in the wrong in different ways, but I think the heaviest blame falls on the artist.

No. 976354

>>976349
Samefag but then having your massive audience dunk on this person is just way over the line. Making the dispute wasn't a smart move on the commissioners part but they admitted this was their first time and they obviously did not want to be ripped off and took advice from equally ignorant friends. It's a lot of money for this commission and I wouldn't have been so patient.

No. 976366

>>976349

and the fact that they never bothered telling the commissioner they were pushign it down like the commissioner was waiting for like another month thinking their art was being worked on and when they asked after another month of no updates, theyre basically told "oh no i wasnt working on it at all lmaoooo i pushed it down on priorities"

No. 976372

>>976340
>could be fixed in 10 fucking strokes
You don't know that.
>could fix the hair with the lasso tool
No, that's hilarious, you do not use the lasso tool in line drawings. You could not, it needs at least partially redrawn or it would look like shit.

>On a portfolio sure but not samples?

Samples are the same thing as a portfolio, it is just a representation of their work.

I am not at all seeing what you're seeing in the difference of quality. The only difference between their sample sketches and the given sketch is 1) the hand is unfinished. However, in the sample sketches there aren't many hands drawn at all, and 2) There is no hatching.
Personally, I think that the sketch the commissioner received is of BETTER quality than what their samples are. Those samples just aren't very nice, clearly the artist is a better painter.

>>976344
>i think if they were nice enough to be ghosted by the artist for at least a month and not ask for updates and then only getting a very halfdone sketch
I agree with this, but we don't know what kind of interactions the artist had with the commissioner beforehand. Maybe the commissioner was very pushy from the get-go .We simply don't know. However, based off of the artist's behavior, I would guess that the artist really did ghost them for three months, in which case, shame on them.

No. 976379

>>976344
>even 10 revisions

Sorry double post- that's insane and ridiculous, don't post that kind of thing here because you're setting up an unreasonable precedent.
No commissioner is entitled to that many revisions unless they PAY for them, and even then, revisions wreck artwork.

No. 976388

>>976349
The reason for pushing a commission down the list when they are asking for revisions is to make ends meet.
Freelance artists have rocky, uneven schedules. No freelancer ever gets up at 9 am and works till 5, Mon-Friday and has weekends off.
They work 0 hour days to 16 hour days and everything in between, completely at random.
If a commissioner is giving them trouble an stringing them along, they have to finish a different commission that will pay them faster in order for them to pay their OWN bills on time. When the artist is going through a dead week, then they can pick up work that is slower to complete.
Its not an absurd concept, it is how every freelancer works, whether its for art or something else. The way the artist said it was just rude.

No. 976394

>>976349

it's not, a portfolio is to showcase your overall skills but samples, with a price attached no less, are there for the artist to tell people "this is what i myself value at $75, this is what you'll be getting for $75", they can't just give them a lesser quality piece of work and say "well my samples are my best work, sorry pal, that'll be $75"

also what are you talking about 2 of the samples has hands. and the big difference is how much cleaner that samples are, there is no inner build up lines and the lines are more refined.

No. 976398

>>976388

yeah but you have to realzie that the artist didn't tell the commsioner any of this, no "sorry it's gonna take me a while longer" or "im gonna have to push it back sorry" until the commissioner themselves asked for an update a month later so they has the commissioner believe they were working on it the entire time

No. 976402

>>976164
Oh man, don't get me started on Aywas.

No. 976407

>>976372
i looked at his sketch process vids on twitter and i stand by my word that its not a hard fix for a "professional". it's not lineart either it's a sketch for a painting. you dont need to have perfect lines for that–and evidently glossed didnt care about that either, look at all the stray lines and guidelines left in that sketch
>the only difference between their sample sketches and the given sketch is 1) the hand is unfinished. However, in the sample sketches there aren't many hands drawn at all, and 2) There is no hatching.
so you do admit there's a difference

No. 976415

>>976394
Okay, so are you saying that the samples are NOT examples of their best work?
That's literally all I'm saying, and for some reason you're disagreeing with me. Why would an artist put up their sub-par sketches as samples?

>the other ones have hands

My bad, the first doesnt and it just looks like shit.
I may just have a difference in opinion, but I much prefer the sketch that the commissioner received that has the interior lines. I don't like their "cleaned up work", it looks bad.

>>976398
I agree, unprofessional of them for sure. I can see why the commissioner was pissed.

>>976407
I agree, but at this point literally who cares. Yeah there's a slight difference, both of them are being incredibly petty scrounging over the difference.

No. 976421

>>976415

no what I'm saying is they should be delivering what they say they will be on their "pay me this much money for this level of art" page

No. 976563

sage your shit dumbass

No. 976567

>>976563
Nta, but this is /ot/.

No. 976582

>>975958
A photo upthread literally has the artist explaining they were willing do do their basic %75 sketch and refund the other $225. The commissioner agreed to that then opened a PayPal claim. Everything was laid out properly. The commissioner is just a fucking dumbass and I hope they get blacklisted to hell and back.

Also, the artist never doxxed the commissioner. Publicly calling out isn't the same as doxxing. What's possibly doxxing is that the commissioner posted their PayPal email address to the public instead of blacking it out in their image posts. Like, seriously.

No. 976585

>>976193
That was never meant to be a sellable sketch. That's a WIP into a final piece. They were agreeing to change the painted $300 commission to a stylized sketch. Sketch has two meanings here and you are trying to make them mean the same thing. Learn how commissions work before saying something.

No. 976590

>>976313
This goes into labor. These pieces aren't done in 30 minutes and they are just upcharging you. Cheap people need not get commissions because this mentality is so shitty for contractors.

>>976349
We don't even know where they were in line to begin with. The commissioner thinking that they are first in line, even after the initial agreement where the artist stated "This might take a while but I can find time for you", that was lenient as all hell. The commissioner knew going in to this they weren't priority, and then they decided to be nitpicking as hell after a WIP for approval. It's also not the artist's job to be the one checking in. The commissioner did the right thing checking on where their commission status was and the artist gave them an answer. They weren't at a new stage they'd have a reason to contact the commissioner. Then it would be even more weird on their side to be popping in and saying "Just to let you know, I haven't started it yet!" Like, why? That's not useful in any way to either parties.

>>976379
They weren't even specific in their original request. Those are a lot of revisions for things they didn't make clear they wanted. The hoodie thing really throws me because all they did is specify they wanted a turtleneck for clothing and an arrow pointing to the torso. None of that shows they wanted the hoodie too.

>>976398
Yes they did.

>>976421
They do. There is a difference between their sketchwork and their WIP work and people in this thread are using sketch to mean the same thing in here when it doesn't.

No. 976599

>>976582

where did the commissioner agree to this?

>>976585

no? the commissioner wanted a refund and the artist just said they were only gonna refund $225 i don't think there was any screenshots were the artist said they were keep working on the art to make it a stylized sketch instead. what the commissioner wanted was to cancel the commission altogether but was willing to pay $45 for the wip sketch but the artist wanted the full stylized sketch price withotu ever saying they were gonna continue working on it.

>>976590

where did the artist ever tell the commissioner they were gonna push back the commission? prior to the commissioner themselves asking for an update i mean

No. 976638

>>976599
They literally say and agree to only the sketch fee.
>>974762

No. 976672

>>976638

they said the fee was too high for them right there

No. 976676

I dont hate adoptables but closed species are so stupid. The fandoms for them usually are super toxic with a bunch of fake positivity

No. 976683

It feels like anons that complained over the minor changes the comissioner asked for must have never worked a real job. Any agency or studio demands way more sketches and revisions than that and in a much tighter deadline. If you don't like people asking for stuff, maybe don't take comissions, stick with selling your original art.

No. 976704

>>976683
Minor changes are fine but it sounds like you've never had a nitpicky commissioner before. The problem is that a commission is a single, one time payment and sometimes a client will take advantage of this and ask for multiple changes when the artwork is already finished and not always something that takes 5 minutes to do either. If a client wants changes to their commission, the best time to ask is during the sketch stage.

No. 976707

>>976683
Also don't make people wait 3 months for a barely done sketch lmao. Some anons itt are trying to defend atrocious work ethic

No. 976709

>>976704
Nta, but the commissioner did ask for the revisions during the sketch stage. The artist was nowhere near close to being done with the drawing

No. 976716

>>976707
Exactly, when you look at the reference material too, the commission looks nothing like it minus the pose- so I would say the client had the right to ask for minor changes(such as the eyes)

No. 976723

>>976672
And they also said they'd take that refund for the sketch instead.

>>976709
The issue is that it is very specific things that the commissioner didn't make clear. Arrows pointing to things isn't as clear as you think.

No. 976726

>>976704

sure but a) it took them more then a month to get that very simple and rough sketch to the commissioner and b) it was stilll the very rough sketch stage, that is absolutely the right time for the commissioner to ask for revisions and c) the commissioner had all the revisions they wanted very detailed and forward instead of vaque things like "hmm the hair doesnt look right" or "the eyes look weird". all in all, i dont see where this commissioner was being rude in any way, hell the fact that they waited for morethen a month, twice, without asking for updates, says a lot about how patience they were being

No. 976736

>>976726
The artist also told them, straight up in the beginning, that they are squeezing them in. They knew they weren't priority.

No. 976742

>>976704
Just charge for revisions after the painting stage.
>>976723
>specific things that the commissioner didn't make clear. Arrows pointing to things isn't as clear as you think.
The reference was pretty clear, and if the arrows weren't clear enough there was nothing stopping the artist of asking the comissioner about it before starting the sketch.
>>976736
Where? They only said they put the comissioner in the end of the priority list after 2 months of waiting on the revisions of the sketch.

No. 976743

my fucking god why are you guys still hulking over this commission bullshit, either none of you know how commissions work or just want to armchair and reply to obvious selfposting in this thread.

None of this couldve happened if the client didn't fucking make a false claim on paypal, WHICH, AGAIN, WILL FREEZE SOMEONE'S BALANCE and what they could've done is be fucking assertive in asking for price deduction instead of robbing someone's means of business.

Listen you stupid twats haven't had the experience of having your bank account frozen for six months because shits like this happen, even with calls back and forth to Paypal customer service (from both Seller and Customer side) this isn't something they can resolve in Day One, and will definitely drag for Months because Paypal doesn't fucking care whether your sketch is half drawn or not or whether uwu artist is mean client is mean.

btw stop, just, stop, replying to those unsaged self post. what the fuck.

No. 976744

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>>976736

where in any of this do they say theyre not priority or theyre squeezing them in? if anything this basically says they finished the first batch of comms and is now finding more to take on

No. 976746

>>976744

or like, at least finished enough of it to feel like they can take more on. either way, they dont say anything like "i have a lot to work on but i can squeeze you in"

No. 976758

>>976743
>why are you guys still hulking over this commission bullshit
>proceeds to hulk over commission bullshit

No. 976770

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posting here Jillian's drawing vs her "alter's"

No. 976777

>>976743
This is the shit that happens when you fuck around for 3 months after someone pays you 300 dollars
I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often tbh

No. 976780

>>976770
>he/him

No. 976782

>>976006
I wasn't given any revision sketches or anything like that btw so I don't have anything to show for it other than trust issues for comissioning artists,because I have not gotten a comission since then, first and last ime but what I asked and paid for was a drawing of an OC I had, it was a headshot in a painterly style iirc. I don't remember how much I paid for it, but I do remember it was extra money I had so I didn't negotiate prices or anything and I paid in full.

No. 976786

>>976782
Same anon, adding to the fact that in the total of 3 times I asked for an update she said she was working on it and I had no guts to ask for a picture. This was because during that time there was a lot of posts circulating around saying you shouldn't pressure artists whenever they do comissions.

No. 976819

>>976707
Right, as a freelancer and commission artist I’m all for asking for fair wages and treatment. But when you’re justifying your rates with PrOfEsSiOnALiSm you should ACT like a professional. Not take on more commissions than you can handle within a reasonable timeframe, drop communication with the client, then take breaks whenever you feel like it at the slightest inconvenience like these twitter artists do. I stg they see that professionals can make 1k with a single commission but will only copy the price and not the work ethic and professionalism

No. 976975

>>976744
"I wanted to get well into the first batch of commissions" meaning they already have a line-up still. They didn't say they finished all their commissions and have open spots. They are basically explaining they can squeeze them into their commission line-up.

No. 976976

>>976777
The artist didn't give them a deadline. You don't do that just because you've been waiting. if that was the case, just ask for a full refund and not just still agree to a $75 sketch.

No. 976983

>>976976

they never agreed to a $75 refund, the only agrred with a refund but wanted to negotiate the price down to $75 because by that point the artist only got a halfway done sketch as opposed to the stylized sketch he put as $75 on his samples sheet

No. 976985

>>976983

*down to $45

No. 976990

>>976985
>>976983
And they were told no. The commissioner was under the impression that the sketch showed to them was the one that was finished and was going to be $75. That is why she was complaining about the steep price. The flat rate the artist is talking about is the cleaned up, flat rate, stylized sketches, not a WIP.

No. 977000

>>976976
>you don't do that just because you've been waiting
Found the anon willing to wait literal years to get their commission done. The artist is fortunate people like you exist kek

No. 977001

enough about glossed's commissions, does anybody know the drama between him and lemyawm? i know she was sadposting about being fucked over and not having a place to stay, did they break up?

No. 977002

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>>976988

here, do tell me if you need me to circle the $45

No. 977014

>>977000
Some people do have patience.

No. 977028

>>977014
Give me 800 dollars and I'll doodle you something by 2025 I promise

No. 977486

>>974682
I had the Sakura Koi set for years and it was fine enough, but I recently upgraded to Holbein's 18 set of watercolours and I much prefer it. There's no granulation, the colours are vibrant, even, and consistent, which was not always the case with the Sakura Koi colours. Most pans in the 48 set I had sucked tbh. I put some of the Holbein watercolour into a palette case and use it like the pans in the Koi set. Koi sets come in an unnecessary quantity too which I advise against. As a novice I did not know better that there's no need for that many colours. Mixing from a smaller number of higher quality paints is superior than getting many cheap colours.

Miya Jelly gouache is fine enough too, if that's all I had I would probably use it more. But I dislike how bulky the container is, it's really not portable and it's quite messy. It can also get moldy apparently which is disgusting. And it's gross once it dries and gets all crackly then you have to re-wet it. Just not a pleasant experience even though the paints are good quality for the price.

I also picked up the Holbein Acryla Gouache with the watercolours and I enjoy using those more for similar reasons, better consistency and more vibrant colours.(Acrylic gouache is different from regular gouache like the Jelly gouache. Acrylic gouache sets once dry, regular gouache is still moveable when re-wet. I know Holbein makes a regular gouache too but I've never tried it as I'm not interested in it.)

I've given away both paints for the Holbein stuff and am not looking back or elsewhere. I do paint professionally but honestly even as a student or novice I would recommend these paints because their quality and usability is that good. They are also not too expensive, just at about the higher mid range. If I had the chance to do it over again I'd just go straight for these paints to begin with and skip over the student/hobby grade stuff. It's worth it for making your life easier and not dealing with the noticeable downsides.

No. 977513

>>977014
I hope you wait 10 years for a commission kek

No. 977705

>>974682
Talens gouache like other anon said. Best I've used so far. Good idea is to start with 10 color tube set and later get primaries or earth colors if used a lot in 50ml jars (black, white, yellows, reds, blues is the best option) and others in 20ml tubes/16ml jars.
Great coverage, velvety and smooth after drying. Extra fine label is true, pigments are properly ground and I rarely get big pieces of pigment in my paint.

No. 977731

Just saw a tweet thread on twitter about some popular japanese artist getting hacked and used as an account selling nfts.. That's scary, I wonder how it happened.. I hope the artist gets their account back..(imageboard)

No. 977754

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>>977731
got screencaps? I saw similar similar situations a few weeks ago where japanese artists got fake emails from twitter support, in which clicking the link will cause their account to be hijacked

No. 977767

>>977731
JPArtist that i follow ended up getting her account hacked too, but instead it turned it into 'PS5 giveaway shop'

No. 977768

>>977731
I've been targetted too because many people think I'm japanese, but they're so obviously fake. I don't know why they don't check the email it's coming from before clicking on it.

No. 977883

>>977768
Yeah, even the dude in this cap >>977754 said that upon further inspection the design of the email was completely off and that he was too naive.
I guess they targeting non English speakers so can fall for it more easily due to language barriers

No. 977888

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More japanese artist accounts seem to be getting hacked and turned into platforms to promote NFTs…

No. 978015

>>977888
>N/F/Ts
Legit question, why do they type stuff like this? Is is some kind of shadowban on the word, or to avoid being targeted?

No. 978019

>>978015
most likely so that their tweets don't show up if you search for the word "NFT" on the search bar which means less chance of cryptobros harrassing them.

No. 978258

>>977888
I wonder why they decided to specifically go after japanese artists.

No. 978262

>>978258
I've seen in some tweets explaining that these hackers do it through fake twitter emails saying that something is wrong with the account and that the user has to log in again and that's how they get the user's info. My guess is that these hackers try to take advantage of japanese artists who can't comprehend english well and blindly trust these types of emails thinking it's something legit from twitter.

No. 978779

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Art channel Art Senpai that has over 100k subs traces art apparently. And they even sell their traced art as commissions. Originally heard about it on this subreddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/arttheft/comments/r1u9dw/artsenpai_an_artist_with_108k_subs_on_youtube/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

No. 978781

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>>978779
Sorry for double posting but this is the original art they traced

No. 978806

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>>978779
Hopefully some twitterfag compiles a list of all the traced vs original art and art drama channels pick up on it. His tutorials look like absolute garbage.

No. 978819

>>977888
>>978258
Its because Japanese artists often have their contact email in their profile on twitter resulting in the scam emails they get looking a lot more legit because they will see an email with their actual twitter @ and name in it and especially due to not being native English speakers.
I've tried to bring attention to this but eh not much I can do besides explain it every time it happens so more people understand why its happening.

>>978015
>>978019
Mix of both, there are a lot of twitter bots atm who will spam replies with url links and stuff if you say words like NFT and HACKED together.

No. 978947

>>978781
Kudos on the redditor to find the original art he traced from, unfortunately from my perspective the only way to confront this is to contact the artist he stole from, leave it to them to whether take action or not, and move on.
Art thefts and tracers are morally corrupt but unfortunately there's nothing we can do but point out their patterns and warn to others.
I've seen again and again artists with "tracing" part of their past didn't hinder career at all and still being hired to draw for big projects. It is unfortunate that most people don't care.

No. 979036

Anons, how do you deal with sucking? I started art a bit late and I'm still in the beginnings of my art journey and seeing all these artists (especially the younger ones) so much better than me can be really disheartening at times and seeing all the flaws that I don't know how to fix yet and knowing there isn't much I can do but to keep hoping I'll be passable one day really sucks. Any practices that can help me improve faster? Should I just narrow my focus to one issue at a time? Advice?

No. 979042

Which do you think is the best for artist handles?
>short name
>multiple words but kinda memorable (like SpicyPenguin or something)
>something else

No. 979066

>>979036
Ah, I understand, seeing people who's apparently 13 drawing decently can be disheartening for someone who's starting, but try the ignore them, also it wouldn't surprise me if some are lying about their age for attention.
Secondly, you should pinpoint wich style you'd like to archive and set up a folder of references, maybe a picture that you like the colors/shading technique of or a drawing that has a character doing a cool pose.
When I started drawing I proposed myself to draw AT LEAST one head/body per day, it doesn't matter if they end up looking like shit, the idea it's to have constance. You'll improve pretty fast if you don't let yourself get rusty and practice everyday.
Well, good luck! and don't compare your begging with someone's middle

No. 979076

>>979042
It's funny, I've tried a few handles but the one that stuck was just an osbcure videogame term. A little annoying that I have to explain it every time someone asks. But you can't really control what sticks with people. Just go with it.

No. 979077

>>979042
It literally doesn't matter. As long as it's not a random string of numbers or letters that can't be pronounced like a word it'll be fine. But also don't pick something like AnonDraws or whatever, those are super lame. Just choose whatever you like

>>979036
You have to remind yourself that everyone kind of sucks, even people that you think are great will have these thoughts. Like >>979066 said, think of what you want your art to look like and try to figure out the necessary steps to get there. Focus on what you think needs work, but don't forget to put that studying into practice! You can copy masters for hours, look at skeletons all you want, but if you can't put these things on paper on your own, without having to look anything up, it doesn't have much value imo. Well, it honestly depends on what you want to achieve in the end. I guess if your goals are photorealistic portraits for instagram you're better off just copying pictures

No. 979085

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no milk just salt. I have a misfortune of running into kaneblob's nsfw account because of twitter suggestion side bar.
How do I delete this information from my brain, the porn isn't even gross or anything, it's just bad, her art is just bad, please go back learning the fundamentals before drawing anything else please holyshit. That's all my rant.

No. 979096

>>979085
I want to see. I was only able to find one nsfw art with some Genshin chicks and it didn't look that bad though there was something off with the pussy and one of the girls had a retarded expression

No. 979135

>Follow artist for a while, sometimes even years
>They draw more obscure series fanart
>Start posting Genshin fanart
>Gradually post exclusively Genshin art
>Posing becomes more generic
>Expression variety becomes non-existant
Fuck, Genshin Impact has infected so many artists and I hate it

No. 979153

>>979096
just go to @kaneboob and yes it's basically just badly drawn genshin girls, maybe I was actually spared because I don't know any of these characters and have zero emotional attachment to them to have any further disgust.
cant wait to see her fully brainwashed by coomers and have her arts deteriorate even more

No. 979157

>>979135
Just went to check out one of my favorite yuri artists and yup, no more Precure to be seen. Genshin Porn is truly a virus

No. 979185

>>979153
nta but I had a look and oh god what is happening with that anatomy. Surprised kane couldn't find something to trace this time.

No. 979194

>>979135
It seems like the only reason it's so widespread is because genshin is free to play and huge with younger audiences. A lot of the 25 and up artists I follow don't care for Genshin. Also I don't want to be an edgy contrarian, I genuinely tried to like it but it isn't my kind of story.

No. 979199

>>979194
>A lot of the 25 and up artists I follow don't care for Genshin.
NTA but I wish all my 25+ years old friends to stop fucking posting genshin caps I'm so tired of these same face bitches. I agree with the anons above when artists started to shill for genshin their arts get stagnant, I don't understand the appeal of these characters and they make 3 expressions at most.
I used to be outsourced by chinese and tawainese studios for their gatcha games too so the designs already ran through my brain like conveyor sushi at this point.

No. 979224

>>979153
>>979185
Oh so it's the one pic I saw. I just noticed the leg behind the fingerjob giver… what the fuck.
I would hate that artist for her extremely 00s nickname already, ~hehe I am a smol blob(fish)~. Why are female weeb artists like this

No. 979229

>>979157
seeing niche artists start drawing genshin, or anything popular, truly hurts. finding other artists that draw the specific obscure bullshit you're into and draw it as good or better than you is like finding a diamond. no wonder furry artists get so good, if they don't draw it no one will

No. 979252

>>979135
I don't understand why people find genshin impact so entertaining. I tried it out the other day a I thought it was just another generic animu rpg.

No. 979275

>>979252
Tons of marketing. Free to play MMO, for most weebs it's their first MMO. Available on multiple platforms and in multiple languages. Watered down similarities with breath of the wild. Gacha and mechanics designed to draw you in and spend, sunk cost fallacy, fear of missing out.

I tried getting into it several times, but I just find other series more romantic/tragic or just sexier with the designs.

No. 979323

>>979229
I pray they don't get the Hyouka guy too

No. 979349

>>979085
i dont think it's that terrible but there is absolutely NO sensuality in those drawings. its so obvious shes straight

No. 979406

>>979252
I've seen a lot of people praise its story but honestly at this point i'm 99% convinced it's them in denial and are just becoming slaves to the gatcha and the characters alone. I tried playing genshin after literally all of my friends jumped on it and almost all of the artists I followed for inspiration started to draw exclusively genshin fanart, I wanted to see what the jam was about.

It was like any other open world japanese fantasy RPG except done of the designs were interesting. Overdesigned to hell and all characters have the same face and body. Like, I found two memorable at best. The world itself is boring too. But like many other anons said it's most of gen z's first gacha and it's free.

I'm really getting tired of the oversaturation though. I've blacklisted all genshin words I could to keep it fromappearing on my TL but some still appear regardless.

No. 979602

>>979252
Probably not what you want to hear but I draw it because it's popular and I've gotten commissions off the engagement. My niche stuff barely gets attention and I have to eat. I swear to lay off Genshin once I can afford to do niche stuff again.

No. 979623

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>>979036
It's a good sign that you are aware of the flaws in your work. The next step is to work to resolve them by studying both life and how more skilled artists tackle them. This image gets brought up a lot but it's true. Art really is a cycle of your eye being ahead of your abilities, your abilities catching up but then your eye becoming better. It never ends but through this process you will become more and more skilled. The only way to "deal with sucking" is to work on improving.

No. 979639

>>979036
Quit, I’m being deadass serious and I’m not trying to be a debby downer. Art is virtually useless and the people who consume your creations are not going to ever understand whatever “deep intricate” techniques and methods that you put into it, no one give a total fuck about the process, meaning or passion put into it it’s the end product or activating the monkey brain of the person at the end of the day. Liking art is one of the biggest and gayest psyops of our modern time and you might just scoff and think I’m being a pessimist but if you truly think you suck, just give up. Only very few are able to master art and it’s going to feel like a repetitive vicious cycle of trying to “improve” and people constantly picking it apart over and over again making it feel like you’ll never achieve the last phase of being some fucking art master. Just give up, it’s a prison, release yourself from it

No. 979645

>>979639
Art is useless like growing food or providing shelter for humans who will die in 50 years is useless. It's all useless busy work we do for no reason other than we exist and we need to fill our time until we die, so I say keep making art, because none of this matters anyway

No. 979668

>>979085
It's so amateurish but what else can you expect from some weeb moe artist. Porn just doesn't work with that skill level.

No. 979669

>>979645
>>979639
Your takes are boring and dumb. You make your own meaning in life. Just because you're sad and feel worthless doesn't mean you should spread your disease of mediocrity to everyone else. If you can't find reason to live, passion, substance in life, that's not ones fault but your own. It shouldn't have to matter to anyone but yourself, it's your life and your experience, you make art for yourself.

No. 979683

>>979323
mery is a girl lol but I'm surprised she's been drawing it for so long. I admire the dedication

No. 979687

>>979669
>you must make meaning in your life blah blah

okay that’s good for you but not for me

No. 979690

>>979687
then go sulk in a corner and bask in your own negativity instead of trying to push it onto others? jesus.

No. 979692

Out of curiosity, does anybody here draw NSFW commissions? And if so, has it affected your art/the way you view art?
I started doing NSFW since a few months ago and I feel my art has stagnated a lot, and I've become desensitized to drawn porn so I prefer cheesecake and romantic content now.
I really thought drawing NSFW being soul-sucking was just a meme, but now I believe it to some capacity, considering I don't find motivation to make full art pieces for myself.
Still, due to the dollar conversion in my country, the money comes in really handy, so I can't complain much.

No. 979696

>>979690
no bitch, she needs to learn that art is not for everyone and that she’s just gonna go in circles trying to create perfect art that isn’t gonna fucking exist. people don’t exist in an atomized bubble, people do other things for other people, you’re absolutely fucking lying if you don’t want SOME kind of recognition for what you do. that whole “do stuff for you” BS is getting tired out fast, you’re pretty much wanting attention if you post your art gtfo

No. 979700

>>979696
Art is for everyone, outside of the context of this thread. I don't want to spread the idea that you need outside validation to enjoy and make art. My point isn't about individuals and whether or not you like what they've created. Art is for everyone and it doesn't matter if you like it that way or not.

No. 979702

>>979700
art clearly isn’t for everyone trust me, stop spreading that shit not everyone is gonna be good at something

No. 979706

>>979692
Artist who used to draw softcore and risque stuff only but started to draw porn because of higher pay here.

After I started drawing NSFW commissions, it pretty much took over my regular commissions. At some point for each normal, SFW commission I'd do I'd have 3 NSFW ones waiting in the oven. I got some nice money from it, but just like in your case I felt like it made my art stagnate a little. Mostly because I'd get commissioned to draw very similar scenarios, always. Naked boob girl posing, naked boob girl lying down, occasional naked bara man just standing there with his dick out. I'd rarely ever get insteresting poses or scenarios and due to the sheer number of commissions I'd have to do (okay, that's on me for taking too many commissions at a time, but I was a little desperate and admittedly a bit greedy back then) I'd rarely have time to draw art for myself and actually try new things.

It also disensitized me to porn a lot as well which…feels bad. Drawn porn barely turns me on nowadays, it's just all the same to me and it makes me feel a bit upset and frustrated because looking at porn illustrations just earns no reaction from me compared to the days I exposed myself less to that type of art.

Adding to everything, it also earned me a bunch of coomer followers. Do they pay well? Yup. But at the same time, eugh. I've had a commissioner keep asking me to draw this one character with bigger breasts and ass and thighs more and more and the end result barely looked human, I felt like I was creating a Sakimichan-tier abomination. I feel like drawing this type of anatomy (which was highly requested in my case, I almost never got commissioners asking for more "natural" anatomy on character) gave me some nasty vices regarding my anatomy skills that I'm trying to fix now.

Sorry for the obscenely long sperg but that's my story. I went back to taking just softcore commissions as well as SFW now. I get less money than in my full NSFW commission days but it feels…better? I dunno how to explain, but I feel happier nowand my art is slowly improving again. Still no arousal from looking at drawn porn though :c permanent damage…

No. 979707

>>979702
Post your work.

No. 979708

>>979702
Now I'm wondering what made you so bitter about art, anon

No. 979710

>>979708

anon probably got bested in follower count and validation by a 12 year old tiktok artist with mediocre procreate art and is salty about it lol.

No. 979717

>>979706
>Still no arousal from looking at drawn porn though
I'm worried this will happen to me in the long run. Sure there's more ways to feel arousal like written stories and your own imagination, but it feels bad to not be able to get those kind of feelings from a medium such as illustration. Plus I'm afraid of developing permanent coomer brain

No. 979731

>>979639
>basing what one should do with their life based on what other people think.
Have you ever done anything in your life for personal fulfillment? Do you know what self actualization and fulfillment even feels like? It's pathetic to drop something because of what other people think. It's pathetic to drop something because it isn't "useful", but art has utility and that is why millions of people still get paid to create it nonetheless. Anyway, I know you are being disingenuous because every person on the planet has encountered pieces of art that has spoken to them and that they understand and cherish deeply.

Hint, the point of art is to not achieving a "final phase of mastery". Grow up and stop being a crab in a bucket.

No. 979734

>>979731
Thiiiiiiis

No. 979751

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>>979707
how could you not like this

No. 979810

>>979692
I do, but honestly, it hasn't really affected the way I view art.

I curate my feed to really only keep art on it that I enjoy (which is pretty niche anyways) even if it isn't as "exciting" as the first time I saw it. It's just all stuff I enjoy and as long as I enjoy it, I keep it on my feed.

NSFW tends to be soul-sucking if you only do it for the money. The nsfw i do doesn't arouse me cause it's generally not my kink, something I find personally appealing,etc. I found myself stagnating whether I did NSFW or SFW because regardless of the clients, you tend to get asked to do very similar things so you have to find time to actually work on your skills and/or things that you personally like.

>>979706
>>979717
Those things are not really permanent. Sexuality like everything else has moods and fluctuations. There are times where the stuff I'm into arouses me, other times it doesn't. Usually, it just means that I'm not in the mood to personally see/experience it, not that you are "damaged" and need to seek something more extreme. It just means you need to seek something different.

No. 979844

>>979692
Commission artist here who does SFW and NSFW commissions.

I agree with anon above^ for doing any kind of commission will make your art stagnant, not just NSFW ones.
My suggestion is to take break from doing commissions here and then and focus on what you really want to draw. What has inspired you lately and is there any art style you want to achieve, that sort of thing.
I am someone who changes style a lot because… drawing the same thing all year round is Soul Sucking no matter what.
If you already have a supply of clients, hand pick which one you enjoy working with instead of having to work for the same person whose demands aren't to your likings.
As for the topic of "not having arousal when doing nsfw commission", I hate to break this to you but you're not supposed to be always aroused when drawing for someone else. I'm speaking from an experience of someone who does erotic graphic novel too. In the end of the day it's still a combination of skills and observations from other erotic media you studied from, it's an art.

No. 979848

>>979692
For me, NSFW tends to be extremely boring for one. I don’t know if you noticed but there’s a very common set of sex acts and positions and there’s a common set of angles and compositions that you’ll be asked to do. And it starts to become very grating once you start drawing what are essentially the same pictures for the hundredth time. Nothing interesting. Nothing challenging.

No. 979859

I can totally see how NSFW comissions can desentisize you, but what about those coomer fujo artists that only draw their favourite couple for themselves? I wonder if it's the same.

No. 979863

>>979702
Doing things like art is worthwhile even if you’re not amazing at it. Activities are meaningful as long as they bring you personal fulfillment, and many people’s feelings of fun and fulfillment are not dependent on being good or bad at it.

Only pursuing activities that you excel at (instead of what you’re passionate about) is a really miserable way to go about life. Are you 17? You sould really angsty and immature, I hope you get a better worldview soon.

No. 979900

>>979859
Honestly the japanese/korean ones that draw the same couple over and over again tend to be pretty damn good. I've actually considered having one of those extremely character-centered accounts bc it might be helpful in improving (design stays the same so you can focus more on technical aspect).

No. 979931

>>979859
I think that's different because it's out of your own interest and no one is forcing them to draw it, so I guess the effect it ends up having on a person's mind depends on their own personality

>>979900
Same, it's kind of amazing to me how they can keep thinking of new concepts and compositions or even comics to draw with the same few characters.

No. 979990

>>979639
Go back to /ic/ retard

No. 980144

>>979848
This. To me NSFW art seemed like a very freeing thing at first since it opened a whole new set of scenarios, poses and angles for me to draw. But now it's a little stale. I know that if you're creative enough you can think of even crazier ideas, but commissioners usually ask for generic stuff.

No. 980228

>>979844
anon above you
i've seen sfw artists stagnate because they get asked to do the same portrait comps over and over again and still get burnt out. Not sure why people think it is nsfw specific or something exclusive to that. You also have to consider a lot of clients really are kinda generic in their tastes, most people don't commission artists to "give them a challenge", they commission artists because they want the artist to draw for them. If you want a challenge, draw for yourself, don't expect your clients to set it up for you. most "challenging" clients end up being a pain in the ass to work with judging from what people in previous threads have said about difficult clients and part of my own experience.

and i agree, you're drawing something for someone else. It's work. Even when I am drawing for myself I don't feel aroused all the time. I just draw stuff I find personally arousing or erotic even if when I'm drawing it I don't feel that way.

It is also difficult to feel horny while also trying to focus on drawing just like it can be difficult to be excited and wanting to jump around but trying to focus on doing art. Hell, I can't even do vent art when I am sad without it just looking terrible and like I put no effort into it.

No. 980314

>>979692
I've done a few NSFW commissions and found I improved a lot with character interactions because I drew couples having sex, instead of just pin-ups. I can see how pin-ups could get boring real fast, but drawing actual sex was fun for me. Women were commissioning me for a specific m/m ship so I didn't have to deal with disgusting male coomers either.

If you want to take on NSFW commissions only draw subjects that interest you, reject anything that makes you uncomfortable.

No. 980381

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This is a personal cow of mine that's constantly trying to "get big" on Twitter, constantly boosting her work in a passive-aggressive manner, and constantly complaining when it flops. She seems to blame most of her lack of success on the twitter algorithm and the fact that she's "disabled". Of course, all of this disregarding the fact that she traces shit constantly.

Also, from what I've heard she seems to have scammed multiple people out of $200+ commissions. All around just a terrible person.

No. 980386

>>980228
Tbh I’m the opposite, I get more horny when drawing nsfw than looking at someone else’s drawing. Maybe because I can cater my own work to appeal more to myself and I have to spend more time thinking about the subject matter while drawing it. If I come across someone’s else’s nsfw, unless it’s extremely eye catching and well drawn I’m just like “ok” and keep scrolling

No. 980391

>>980381
How come no one called them out on that traced art? Who made the original?

No. 980400

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>>980391
I'm guessing people just don't recognize the art—I'm not the one who originally found it, so I had to do some searching, but it looks like the original artist is Meabhd on tumblr.

No. 980438

>>980381
I think she deleted this. Either someone cowtipped or she's lurking.

No. 980469

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>>980438
NTA I checked her page and the art still up.

>>980381
This woman is 31 and honestly she reminds me of a lot of other ~*artist*~ that are 30+ and obviously ex-tumblr with all their passive aggressive language.
TeePublic auto DMCA strike posts that are tagged with Marvel or any other Disney affiliated shit if merch page itself is tagged with the name of the franchise. Not because of your "uh muh my popular art theyre robbing me".

No. 980485

I bought a wacom one art tablet during black friday sales but had to return it since the driver couldn't recognize it being plugged in. At least I got my $499 back

No. 980522

saged cuz no milk but some dude I went to same hs with now has 50K followers on Twitter drawing mediocre memey coomer art… paetron seems to be doing well too. Now I understand how other nonnies felt when they complained about how discouraging it feels to see moid coomer artist get all the attention online.

No. 980538

>>979692
I recently started doing it nonnie, mostly softcore stuff though since my client base aren't complete degenerates (yet). They mostly want to see their yaoi OCs cuddling each other or something. I do enjoy drawing softcore not because it turns me on but it's a fun way for me to practice anatomy, posing, fabrics etc since i'm less inclined to post it publicly so i associate it with free time lol.

Commissions of any kind is to some degree of "soul sucking" to me, like the other anons already said, it's all about your capacity. And there is only so many ways you can potray sexual activities, lol. Why do you think weird ass porn like perverse family exists.

No. 980596

>>980469
Lmao it's well known the one company you should stay away from for monetizing fanartish things is Disney.

No. 980624

>>980538
As a NSFW artist, how do you cultivate an audience of ship dedicated fujos and not deplorable coomer males ?

No. 980628

>>980624
The obvious answer is to draw what fujos like? If you have no idea what they like, interact with them and observe.

No. 980651

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>>980624
Essentially draw only men and average to very buff men. I would say lanky but you'll find the coomers who want "trap/femboy" bullshit that will slide into troon stuff. Pic is what I'm thinking.
(Idk who it is)

No. 980652

>>980651
>(Idk who it is)
Way to ruin your weeb creds there anon.

No. 980653

>>980652
Ah shit

No. 980656

>>980628
Most fujos and fudanshis love pretty masc men and fanwork exploring ship headcanons. My advice here is that, if you're gonna draw NSFW try to stay more focused on ship dynamics than blatant explicitness. Coomers tend to gravitate towards more explicit in-your-face r18 stuff.

No. 980657

>>980656
Oops I meant to respond to >>980624 sorry.

No. 980665

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>>980624
SFW with NSFW on the side here, I mostly get women clients for my commissions. I get a good share of m/m ship commissions for my generic otp fan art of the month from a popular game/manga.
Be careful of attracting zoomers, and ones with "transmen in yaoi" agenda in their page. You can't filter them all out, though there's no harm in doing a routine mass blocking of unfavorable people. This is healthy for the relationship with your fujo audience and your content curation wise.
And don't forget to have fun anon!

No. 980680

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>>980665
I'm afraid of attracting zoomer aidens who will get offended over something random

No. 980721

>>980680

If you want to avoid zoomers, then dont draw any genshin impact. It's such a cop-out.

Speaking of cop-out, unrelated, but has anyone noticed how many artists have been trying to be vtubers or streamers lately? The vtuber trend used to be worse months ago, but it feels like every time an artist starts streaming regularly, it's always 1 hour of art and like 5 hours of gaming.
They can do whatever they want it's just annoying that it's all they talk about for months on end. I'm not personally interested in streaming but I do understand it to be a good way to cultivate an audience if you're big enough. It just feels like everyone unrealistically wants people to watch them game for hrs on end and hope for handouts.

No. 980727

>>980651
Now that we are talking about fujos, I would like to start drawing this soft/ecchi yaoi but I also would like to stay professional with my other drawings. Do you think that drawing yaoi is unprofessional and give less chance to, for example, work as a serious artist? Sorry is my English is bad.

No. 980732

>>980727
I follow plenty of professionals that draw anything ranging from pin-ups to full on fucking and have no trouble in the industry.

No. 980752

>>980680
You can't avoid aidens if you draw bl, draw otome stuff if you want less of an aiden audience.
But whatever you draw, ignore their whining.

No. 980758

I want to draw a mildly historical comic with a non main character practicing pederasty but i know i'll be canceled on all fronts cause he wouldn't be portrayed as a bad guy

No. 980760

>>980758
Why do you want that? And yeah he would be bad wouldn't he?

No. 980779

>>980760
There's plenty of historical cultures where pederasty was basically part of the education of new elites and wouldn't have raised any eyebrows. The modern concept of homosexuality wouldn't necessarily apply to those dudes either. So if you read such a comic you can obviously still find it gross but the character wouldn't be a villain like a contemporary pederasty.

No. 980783

>>980779
Nta, why would you want to draw that?

No. 980796

>>980758
why do you want to make a character like that? Let me see your hard drive

No. 980807


No. 980830

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>>980779
anon are you a hetalia fujo

No. 980855

>>980779
Okay? Does this advance the plot? Is it important at all? Or are you just strange?

No. 980856

>>979692
I used to do nsfw comms for a living before my depression got too bad to draw. It's miserable, and at least for me, being constantly exposed to men's sexual fantasies, some of which horrifying (I had people ask me to draw children, or snuff or zoophilia, like didn't even ask if I drew that, just fired off explicit descriptions, sometimes with references) was really harmful. Plus it's not actually that much good money, If you want to make a living from it, you have to draw pretty much constantly. It's kind of like onlyfans, in that they tell you it's good money, but it's actually only the 1% getting paid good money, the rest is fighting over each other for scraps.

No. 980879

>>980783
I'm not drawing that comic but I like historical fiction - idk what the comic is about but you can include this sort of stuff for accuracy without creating fap fodder for pedos.

No. 980898

>>980830
Nta but maybe I never found rape stuff in Hetalia because I was focused on reading about Italy and Germany being cute together. I always thought that the whole “he took my vital regions” was more like what was back then the lol grope funny meme.

No. 980913

>>979859
As someone who has recently become someone that mostly just draws my otps over and over, I actually have a lot of fun in challenging myself to keep doing new compositions and practice different poses and rendering styles. Drawing something I actually care about in new scenarios has actually improved my art drastically and I have a follower base with the same interests as me. I've always been a fujo but I sucked at drawing men for a long time so I used to mostly draw girls, putting in the effort to actually get better at drawing boys to draw my otps was the best decision for me.

No. 980927

>>980721
Yeah, a couple of my artist friends tried to get into the vtuber scene mainly after Inanis appeared. I think only one or two continued, the rest just stopped after the trend calmed down.

It was so annoying tho. Suddently everyone and their grandma had vtuber avatars and tries so so hard to be the next vtuber sensation with shitty character designs and personalities.

No. 980958

>>980927
I've thought about commissioning/learning to make a simple cartoony (not anime) rig. not to be a vtuber - it wouldn't be a character z
- but to make art streams more interesting without showing my face. would that be worth it? ps I am very ignorant and have no idea how to make a rig or how much they would cost

No. 980965

>>980958
nta

honestly idk the prices for rigs, most i've seen were pretty expensive but again they were fullbody vtuber rigs. maybe go in prepared for a salty price just in case. i reccomend paying someone to make you a rig rather than learning yourself, that shit seems tricky af.

it's totally fine if you wanna use an avatar just because you don't want to show your face, but only if you occasionally converse with your audience from time to time otherwise it'll be just your avatar sitting there in silence. other than that it's a nice idea.

No. 981094

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Anons, I have a question. How do all indie otome games have the same style of background like the picrel? Sometimes the game will have sloppy character art but this specific kind of background. Do they just buy assets?

No. 981095

>>981094
Samefag but also I wanted to ask if there is an easy way to do backgrounds like this since everyone makes them

No. 981096

>>981094
Sometimes you'll find free background assets for visual novels, sometimes they just buy from the same person.

No. 981114

>>981094
Indie otome devs either buy packs (basically everyone uses Minickle's backgrounds specifically; all of these are 3D backgrounds), make bad 2D backgrounds themselves or commission a specialised 3D artist (only if they have plenty of money/got crowdfunded, as good custom backgrounds are very expensive).
Even some professional otome (as in, Otomate, Voltage and the like) buy some packs, too.
>>981095 there's no "easy" way, and there aren't actually a lot of artists that are good at this since it requires having a large library of assets, being good at a 3D software and being good at lighting. But it's a really valuable skill to learn if you're interested.

No. 981158

>>981095
I take pictures everywhere I go, specially when I’m traveling, because I know that if I ever want to make a visual novel, I will have background pictures that I took and that nobody should get mad at me for using them.
I like mixing real life backgrounds with obvious drawn characters, so I like the contrast a lot.

No. 981222

>>980651
if you're interested in drawing feminine boys learn how to draw actual male anatomy and muscles and body hair so you're not just drawing boobless girls and that should keep the zoomers away

No. 981295

>>981095

Painting over simple 3D models. It's not as easy as it looks but if you have a solid understanding of color and light, you can do it.

No. 982621

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Everything about this is comical
>NFT shill who bragged about making hundreds of thousands of dollars is ebegging
>donation goal: $150,000
>openly talking about the details of the lawsuit
>source for the guy being a pedo and sexually assaulting people is just a link to a tweet of hers from 2019
>Jisu getting clowned on in the replies for ebegging instead of making more NFTs or taking commissions

No. 982665

>>982621
I assume you never saw the ice cube skype conversation, nonny

No. 982680

What do nonas think of clip studio paint? I thinking of switching from Photoshop to csp. But I need a second opinion

No. 982686

>>982680
primary csp user here. I suggest to play around during trial and see how you feel with the tools before switching out from photoshop. I make comics so it's convenient for me, though for illustration and painting I'd prefer photoshop. The brush customization in csp isn't as flexible as photoshop (and I sell csp brush packs lol, the pre-existing brushes are shite unless you spend more time experimenting to your own liking)

No. 982688

>>982680
What kind of art do you do? Illustrator is good for sketching and inking + flat colors/cell shading but I've never gotten used to using csp to painting, just feels off. just fucking pirate photoshop fuck adobe

No. 982691

>>982688
I've doing illustrations with a style similar to league of legends splash art. I fucking hate that game and it's fanbase but I love the art. Damn it
The version of photoshop I currently use is pirated as fuck kek.This is why I'd like to switch to a software with a license.

No. 982697

>>981094
They are usually paint overs of photographs done by a really skilled background artist. They are so lovely and i could look at them all day…

No. 982698

>>982691
if your photoshop is pirated to begin with you lose nothing by paying for csp/trying out the trial. Personally I'm a retard and jump between paint tool sai, csp and photoshop depending on my needs. I have different things I love about all 3 programs and sometimes I'll start a painting in sai and finish it in photoshop. Nothing to lose by trying everything out imo

No. 982761

For those of you who have largeish twitter followings: is being a twitter artist as fun as it looks? Also how long did it take to build your following? I see a lot of artists with super meh art and 100k followers but amazing artists with maaaaybe 3k. Whats the secret (besides pandering)

No. 982813

>>982680
I use it for almost everything. They are adding a liquify brush in the next update so there's almost no need for me to use photoshop anymore besides some specific features. Canvas recording like procreate and you can import .abr. Lifetime updates with one purchase of $25 (sales are frequent)

No. 982846

>>982761
>is being a twitter artist as fun as it looks?
not really lol. You have a lot of artists latching onto you trying to use your 'fame' with asinine public interactions because that's what they're taught networking is. When you see big accounts interact, don't think they're buddy buddy on the daily. Also, some randos can grow a parasocial obsession with you, even if you don't post about your life at all, and if you have some unclean internet history, it will be brought against you.
It is the best site so far to get commissions/work with indie devs, but it's not life changing; if I could go back, I would have given all this time to make a youtube channel instead
>how long did it take to build your following
3 years, but I don't do animations or nsfw, which are what really skyrocket your numbers
>Whats the secret (besides pandering)
you don't have to join trends, in fact it's best to start by drawing niche things with dedicated fans, but you have to post consistently. When I started I posted a drawing every single day for 2 whole years, mostly 1hr doodles. It helps to keep a clean account, new followers love to look through your art

No. 983027

>>982761
Large-ish by how much exactly?
I don't have large following but have a dedicated small enough number that carried from other social media to my twitter.
> is it fun?
nope, I'm constantly bored but I also don't want to draw.
> how long is it?
probably nearly a decade with long hiatus on and off.
> what's the secret?
do what you want and don't get swept up with the attention people give you at the moment.

No. 983123

>>982761
i don't have a 100k account but i have a large fanart account for my current fandom

pros: making money selling to your audience

cons: insincere interactions, people only interact with you because you have a large following not necessarily bc they like you (or even your art), weirdo followers who hate you and are waiting for you to fuck up and drag you, harder to interact normally with your actual friends and mutuals because thousands of people are watching, you end up second guessing all your tweets

if I could make money with a smaller following I would trade that in a second

No. 983244

>>983123
NTA but do you have two accounts? I was wondering if I should isolate certain fanart to one account and use the other for miscellaneous but mostly original art. I've seen some people do it but it seems like a hassle.

No. 983383

>>978779
I follow this guy for a while now and I can confirm he openly sightsize copy other anime style artwork. It is not surprise he copy other artist work so hard then past it as his own in these instances.

No. 983392

>>982761
>is being a twitter artist as fun as it looks?
Nope, especially for a fandom artist it's not. I'm no professional artist, I just draw fanart for fun. But even then it's impossible to make friends with other artists who enjoy the same thing as you. There's cliques, and if you're not on the same level as the others, you're ostracized lmao

>how long did it take to build your following

To no one's surprise, my follower count sky rocketed the moment I drew nsfw of a popular gay ship in this one fandom that I'm in. And by that I mean I can easily get nearly 200+ new followers for each nsfw.

>Whats the secret (besides pandering)

In my case? It's definitely drawing nsfw. Like it doesn't even have to be fully rendered. Even a SKETCH will have these coomers pay more attention to your account than when you draw tasteful sfw stuff. 0/10 regret this, wish I can undo it all.

No. 983417

>>982761
>is being a twitter artist as fun as it looks?
At first, yeah. When you don't have too much eyes on you. Just keep your ego in check and try to avoid dropping the quality of your work in favour of likes or instant gratification via tweeting.
>Also how long did it take to build your following?
Popular fandoms = quick followers. People will consume anything that relates to their current fixation regardless of quality.

No. 983495

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Are really people that stupid? This guy is offering 'digital paintings'
when it's clearly a 3d model painted over.
It's funny because looking at other of their drawings it looks like the only things that looks pretty and well rendered is the face and the rest looks like it was done without a ref or it was rushed.

No. 983512

>>983495
girl she has every shades of shadow on her except for her fake buttons smh

No. 983518

>>983495
Is that Ino having an allergic reaction?

No. 983685

>>983495
Man if you're going to draw on top of 3D models for that shit then at least don't copy all of the shadows….this looks like a crappy 3D model from the 00's with global illumination and nothing else.

No. 983692

>>983495
if that sells, good for him, but I doubt it does
idk what compelled me to look into his tagged photos on instagram and damn he looks creepy

No. 983742

I was looking at a few threads ago and some anons brought up a concern about doing comms but anonymously and someone suggested Kofi but another anon said your name still shows up to the buyer even on there, sorry if this is a stupid question but it is for doing comms only on Kofi or donations as well? I wanted to try having donations up since I don't plan on doing any comms anytime soon to avoid a business PP since I just do this now more as a hobby. But either way doing donations or comms on Kofi show your real info correct?

No. 983812

>>983742
Yeah people will see your name on their Paypal statements anyway. Anything that uses Paypal shows your info (unless you have a business account).

No. 983943

>>983742
> sorry if this is a stupid question but it is for doing comms only on Kofi or donations as well?
i don't understand your question anon, can you elaborate more?
and no you can't stay anonymous via kofi donation either. I often send donations to scanlation groups and the receiver's real name still shows up in my notification email anyways. You should consider other options instead.

No. 983966

>>983244
Yes I have separate accounts for different fandoms, and one for my professional art I put my name on. I would suggest doing this if you draw a lot of fanart for one fandom, it's easier to build an audience with a separate dedicated account. If you draw fanart for multiple different things or rarely at all I wouldn't bother making separate accounts

It's easy to handle multiple twitter accounts on mobile. Just log into your main account and add your side accounts, like having sideblogs on tumblr. Not sure if you can do this on desktop

No. 984315

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An artist named oni_core that was posted here before like a year ago got a thread made about them of all art she traced which includes payed commissions

https://twitter.com/art_thef/status/1433802616274837505?s=20

No. 984319

>>984315
Looked into the twitter and info and just seems like genz genshin fans infighting for me, eh, good for them that they're weeding out their own bad apples I suppose.

also why the fuck is there giveaway genshin crystal on a tracer callout thread, I feel like I'm living still living on another plane of internet

No. 984322

>>984319
genz genshin twitter is best at self combusting yet unfortunately it never runs out of fuel so it keeps going endlessly. reminds me of the unholy meltdown genz genshin people had at an artist who posted a drawing of genshin ships they liked and all ships were straight. the artist even got threatened with doxxing as well as numerous death threats, all because of some straight ships featuring shitty fictional characters from a shitty game lol.

No. 984381

lol I am not an artist, but I saw this video from Graysonsprojects about why she decides to not accept criticism of her art work. I thought this was so funny, and then I saw the painting she talked about and I laughed even harder

No. 984394

Not an art question but it's art related, I don't get the discourse about algorithm on Twitter because there's apparently none when I'm using it? I strictly get content from people I'm following (whether it's original or retweets) and it's shown in chronological order, so I really don't get it, I'm not on the app though.

No. 984397

>>984394
most of the discourse relating to the algorithm is that when you post your art the tweet essentially has a 24h lifespan because its chances of getting attention after that timeframe are usually very low. it's less of a 'my tweets aren't reaching my followers' problem and more of a 'my tweets aren't getting enough general traction' thing.

granted, there are many whiny ass artists who love to blame the algorithm for everythig.

No. 984400

>>984381
KEK why is she doing this to herself

No. 984408

>>984381
Her painting is shit, her channel is shit, and her reasoning is shit.

No. 984411

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>>984381
I understand "I just want to do art and enjoy the process of doing art" but this reeks of picrel kek.

No. 984444

>>983943
I just had wanted to know if I would be able to draw and receive money "anonymously". I would only be drawing my OCs and I do not draw enough to try and open a PP business account adding on to the fact that I will not be taking commissions but it seems either way with Kofi "being the middle man" despite choosing donations or comms they'll be able to see my full name etc.

Plus there's a whole other ball game with opening a PP business and I might have to do another set of taxes (didn't look it up much) that I wouldn't want to do if I may not be doing this long term. I can't remember if someone mentions that pateron doesn't show your credentials since they take a cut but I may have to look at that again and someone some threads ago mentioned pixiv so I'll give that a look

No. 984610

>>982761
Might be a dumb decision but I’m planning to make a New Years resolution to grow my Twitter account that I made in September and neglected, so maybe I’ll report my results in a year. I’ve thought about doing a YouTube channel instead but I’m not 100% into the idea yet, maybe in the future.

>>984444
I’m also wondering about this, I’d like to be able to take commissions in the future but I don’t want my real name getting out, but I’m also not sure if I’ll get in trouble for using a business account. I haven’t been able to find solid information about it.

No. 984677

>>984444
>>984610
I just did a quick review reading regarding paying taxes with Paypal. Apparently it doesnt matter if your account is personal or business, once you exceed 200 transactions and $20,000, Paypal will ask you to confirm your US taxpayer status.

I'm non-US and pay taxes on my own country so it's no problem, if anons are US residents you should look more into it.

No. 984698

>>984677
Received an email last month to confirm my US taxpayer status from paypal so I guess I exceeded 200 transactions because I definitely have not earned 20k yet. I've been using paypal to accept payments since 2013 and this is the first email regarding taxes I've received from them. Not sure if it changes anything irt taxes for next year I guess I'll see.

No. 984716

Quick question, how many of us actually put our age in our bio, and how many of you guys lie about it?
I’m asking because I’m so tempted to do it, to see if it does affect the follower number, but I’m also scared of doing it and being called out for it.

No. 984723

>>984716
please for the love of god do not lie about your age. For you whether the artists find out you'd get permaban but for the artists they're getting a higher risk of exposing adult contents to minors, and this isn't something they can hide from internet providers, depending on their countries it can go from fines to literally imprisonments.
Do Not Do This Shit.

No. 984792

>>984716
i don't put my age in my bio since i don't like strangers knowing any of my personal info. i also don't really like talking to people and would rather just post art and look at art that inspires me.

lying about your age probably isn't a good idea considering how people who do that always get caught and can get into massive trouble. the experiment is certainly interesting anon but idk if it would be wise to actually put it to practice.

No. 984819

>>984716
Either put in your real age or don't mention your age at all, just don't lie about it. Lying about your age can get you into some annoying shit at best and lots of trouble at worst.

No. 984852

>>984716
Willingly deceiving people for follows is stupid and scummy. Do not lie about your age. There's so many other ways to get followers anyway.

No. 984858

>>984852
Never planned to use the “young” age account as a main. I wanted to set up 2 accounts that are throwaways, both different ages(not connected to me), one older and the other younger, not interact with the audience and just post similar subjects with a similar style (outside of my norm)

>>984723
Thankfully I don’t plan to post “adult” content on either one or to try to connect to any of the audience- minor or older.
I don’t know if I want to stick with fan art or a mix between fan art and originals, but either way I want the content/art to not exclude or favor one.
I just don’t know what artstyle I want the accounts to take

No. 985124

>>984858
I'm an old hag and I do more than fine numbers-wise. What you will attract with a younger age is pedo creeps

No. 985227

>>984858

Sounds like a lot of more effort than it's worth for something as fake as follows. You're better off not posting your age. People do fine without that detail. And no one (except retards and Fandom zoomers) really cares if you don't.

No. 985400

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Does someone here have brutfuner pencils? interested to buy because they have massive color range and are cheap, but I tried another cheap chinese brand before called Marco Renoir, and while I liked the colors themselves, the lead was brittle af. Only dropping the pencil on my table was enough to completely fuck up the entire lead from top to bottom. If Brutfuner is anything like it, I wouldn't risk it, no matter how cheap.

No. 985615

>>984858
The only people who will care about age are disgusting pedos and possibly some minors. Way too much effort just to prove literally nothing.

No. 985758

>>982761
I'm in the 25k-35k range so I wouldn't say I'm a huge account, but I definitely get a lot of interaction when I post something polished
>is being a twitter artist as fun as it looks?
Yes, if you love your own art. I once posted an illustration I wasn't happy with but had sunk a lot of time into and it did really well. Had about 10k likes in the first few hours but I didn't feel a single crumb of dopamine because I hated it (and eventually deleted it, lol). But when I post something I love and even just a small amount of people like it or leave nice replies it feels very nice. I think it is only fun if you don't go checking your likes and new follows every moment and just enjoy getting pleasant feedback and commission requests. Also I'm flexing but getting followed by your favorite artists is a high that lasts a while.
>how long did it take to build your following
A little over a year.
>what's the secret?
I got lucky because my art fills a niche but isn't fandom stuff so it's future-proofed a bit.

I think the main reason I wanted to gain some popularity on twitter was to be recognized and sort of join in on some art friend circles that I admired. What's funny is a LOT of the people I couldn't ever imagine noticing me currently follow and interact with me now, but I had the realization that just interacting and giving replies doesn't make you friends, lol. All this time I thought they were this tight-knit group of skilled professional artists but really it's just a bunch of neets who follow each other and have never talked to each other in DMs. I'm just talking about this once specific group of artists, I don't know how it is in other circles.

No. 985786

>>985758

>I'm in the 25k-35k range


>not a huge account


oh to have over 20k followers and think that's a small number

No. 985806

>>985400
Oh these are pretty! And idk, I preffer more oily type of color pencils than fragile hard ones. Have you looked up any reviews?

No. 985807

>>980469
>crippled latina person
Cringe, why do they always excuse themselves like this?

No. 985843

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>>985758
Considering you exploded in only one year and still having fun with it that means you're still green child. Watch that optimism fades away over the years when you witness "the artists I admired" either get called out left and right, or go completely offline due to online drama bullshit. Enjoy the high while you're still can.

>>985786
when I check my analytics (Best follower of the month) I keep seeing 100k-200k accounts follow me, which I assume it's a normal amount on twitter these days.

No. 985932

>>985843
>having 100k+ followers is normal

no anon its really not

No. 986031

Any anons here have any experience with NFTs? I know that question is going to raise a lot of art nonnies hackles but I'm just looking for enough money to get out of the abusive living situation im in. I only seriously got into selling my art a year ago and between adopts and regular commissions I make a decent amount of money (I'm sure I can make more if I priced accurately but it was a shock to me that people were willing to pay so much at first!). Between that and my regular job I make enough to survive, pay rent and have a few nice things here and there but no where near enough to live off of. I'm trying to save for an escape plan but no matter how hard I work it seems like pennies in comparison to what I need. I'm not looking to do NFTs long term or ruin my reputation but the thought of getting just enough money so I can escape this nightmare is so tempting. Do any anons have any advice?

And before anyone says DV shelter that's not possible if I want to continue doing either of my jobs which require internet access and my computer (I work from home for tech support).

No. 986037

>>986031
I haven't followed this trend too closely but the entire NFT community really seems to feed off of who you know. Getting a recommendation and having your work shared by others in the space are the most important part. So try to suck up to other NFT artist and get into one of their discords I guess.

No. 986051

>>986031
I would look into other options to raise your income, I think NFT is too dependent on chance and connections.

No. 986090

>>986031
You’re better off with Bitcoin than NTFs. But then again, bitcoin can be so unpredictable, so you need to be cautious, especially if you’re getting help.

No. 986167

>>986090
It's all going to be taxed and tracked soon, so good luck

No. 986189

>>986031
I honestly think you're better off opening commission slots and in general just pricing your work accurately. In NFTs your profit isn't guaranteed and depends almost solely on networking, plus you do need to pay to mint your work in the first place. The NFT market loves to prey on people in your condition: desperate for money regardless of reason.

Price your work accurately, value what you do and open regular commissions or your adoptables.

No. 986192

>>985843

>I keep seeing 100k-200k accounts follow me, which I assume it's a normal amount on twitter these days.


anon i think you're just completely detached from the average twitter artist experience. having more than 20k followers on twitter isn't normal nor easy.

No. 986227

>>985843
>>985932
>>986192
It's all relative. To broke people like me, someone with $1,000,000 in the bank is well-off, but to that person, well-off means $10,000,000 in the bank, and so on. Just because $1m is a lot to you doesn't mean $10m isn't a whole lot more. If you have 25k followers but a lot of the artists you interact with have 100-200k followers, you are aware you are big account but not a huge account. Especially when 500k accounts start following you, that's 25 time more followers.

No. 986234

>>986227
NTA but I think what these anons are pointing to is how >>985843 stated that those follower numbers are normal for Twitter as a whole which one way or another is flat out disconnected from reality. These numbers are very relative yes, but you also need to be aware that you're in a situation that's already an exception to the norm and talking as if getting 100K followers was a "normal" thing to do kind of makes you seem no better than those rich people who go "oh but it's just a $1M car, no biggie". Numbers are relative, but if you want to be taken seriously you need to acknowledge when you're in an exceptional situation and that your experiences aren't the norm as well.

All of this to say, saying that it's common to be followed by 20oK artists is one hell of a subtle flex kek.

No. 986235

>>986227
Are you dumb? Sage your shit

No. 986247

>>986227
How many of those followers are bots? Someone complained once that they had about 10k+ followers but only about 300ish engagement

No. 986255

>>984610
I was looking at some of PP's forums and it's more or less the same there where people say that want to be able to receive money anonymously but want to hide their real name and don't mind too much that their address is showing or wish to show part of their name and hide their address and mods on PP keep telling and linking people to make a business account which someone brings up while they do art they are not a business and therefore do not want to open a business account and then I think taxes will get in there somehow and perhaps she would need an LLC or something too.

I agree with some of the comments where PP should protect their users more and keep them safe with being able to hide their real name and use their display name handle for the other party's billing because their are some unhinged people on the internet. I really don't draw crazy like that to have it anything other than a hobby and making make some donations off it because I don't plan on making making any real profit from drawing.

No. 986641

Then whats the difference between doing commissions, rather than NFTs? Opening commissions is not a guarantee either. Especially considering all the extra bullshit haggle, and back and forth with clients. The whole argument against NFTs is falling apart by the minute, as well as grows increasingly more ridiculous. Unless you're in the top 10% of artist, and have some type of history behind you( industry vet, popular creator) the chances of you making consistent income from commissions,is very slim to none. Theres even artist with 30k+ followers, who are struggling to just barely make the months rent, let alone food. Id take my chances woth NFTs. If need be, just make a separate account for them.

No. 986644

>>986641
The difference is simple: opening comissions has no upfront charges, while doing NFT does.

If your comission post flops the only thing you lose is the time it took for you to set up the post/charts. On the other hand, if you don’t sell your NFT you lose the gas and minting fees you paid to get it set up, possibly setting you back hundreds of dollars with nothing to show for it (other than the risk to your reputation.)

Besides, nft isn’t any more reliable than comissions, it depends even more on connections and sucking up to the right people, with the additional pain of having to draw the stuff that appeals to bitbro sensibilities.

You’ll likely get more freedom by opening comissions by google forms, and picking the requests that dont look annoying to draw. Which is to say, why not try the old school method that won’t cost you hundreds in upfront cash first?

No. 986650

>>986031 Honestly, if you're worried about ruining your reputation, make a anonymous side account for making NFTs. Quite a few artist are doing this also. Just change around your style a little bit maybe, and do it. Good thing, is that if you're work is very good, you'll have no problem making it in this space. Every artist I know who crossed over into NFTs, is currently selling pieces left and right, regardless of their number of followers. Also because the NFT space is really desperate for higher quality art. Also, if your work is good enough, you have a chance at making higher profits, and attracting the attention of major collectors, because of how early you are in this space. Less competition. My suggestion, is start out at opensea first, as you only have to pay once to mint a collection. Collections tend to catch more eyes, and sale more, over 1 on 1's, but thats changing. There's other nft sites, and blockchains you can mint on, like Solana,with RmRk, but ETH(ethereum) are more popular. Hope this helps.

No. 986703

>>986641
I hope your garbage doesn't sell and you lose your money. Salt.

No. 986713

>uwu doing commissions is no different from NFTs
NFTcopiums can go eat shit

No. 986730

>>979692
I started out drawing niche, sometimes violent, nsfw because I was an edgy teenager that didn't care about what I was drawing as long as it got me attention and comms. Everything >>980856 said affected me too so I tried to set stricter rules but at that point I realised that instead of competing with thousands of artists online that charge pennies I could make better money with less effort a minimum wage job irl. I haven't touched nsfw art since.

>>986650
Nta but this was an interesting post thank you

No. 986811

>>986641
You sound incredibly stupid.

>>986650
>Every artist I know who crossed over into NFTs, is currently selling pieces left and right
Not really. Artists have to shill their NFTs constantly to stay afloat and hardly anyone buys it. They only ones making money are bitbros who bid on each other's pieces and suck each other's dicks. They don't even make art, they make retarded moid "collectibles" like those monkey avatars or bad 3d renders.

No. 986833

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Still can’t get over the fact the girl posting this is 12.

No. 986835

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>>986833
Guys I’m trying to fucking understand

No. 986836

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>>986833
Kids and autistic people should not legally not be allowed in certain online spaces, there should be more measures put in place

No. 986838

>>986833
The internet was a mistake.

No. 986843

>>986703 Cry louder. >>986811
That's no different than regular artist shilling to promote sales for merch of their work, patreons, or the constant e-begging for gofundmes/kofis. I'm speaking from experience, and what I've seen personally from other artist in NFTs. The only ones who really have trouble moving pieces are photographers, since a lot are cookie cutter, and artist who don't know how to market, of promote themselves, and likely don't have any experience in online art communities. If your work is good, or exceptional, you won't likely have any trouble moving pieces. And since there's a huge demand for quality artist, and especially for niche fandoms/art, like furry, if you are either of those things, you'll likely attract collectors very quickly. You don't have to have hundreds of thousands of followers either.

No. 986909

>>986843
I hope your trash never sells and you lose everything.

No. 987064

>>986843
You're delusional. Usually people shilling their patreons also post other things as well, while NFT artists become like fucking bots. Artists e-begging ARE annoying as fuck, but it's still better than some mediocre fucker trying to lure people into some shitty moid-made pyramid scheme.

No. 987210

>>986843
Either you're extremely stupid or purposefully trying to grasp at anything to justify your liking for NFTs (which is also incredibly stupid).

There's no demand for high quality art in NFTs because the bitbros who buy NFTs only want stupid collectibles, they literally don't give two shits about art quality, they take anything hence why it's so easy to just release some ugly ass AI-produced collectible series and sell it on NFT platforms. For normal artists to get a bidder on an NFT they pretty much have to turn into a shilling bot which is the case I've seen in pretty much all artists I follow that have decided to try NFTs: all they post now is "LOOK GUYS NEW ART DROPPED ON FUCKSEAS.ETH" over and over and over to the point it's not even worth it to follow them anymore. It's one thing to sometimes promote your store/patreon/ko-fi while posting doodles and art and other stuff in your acc, but it's a completely different level of bullshit when your account turns into nothing but a wall of "CHECK OUT MY NFT!" and nothing else. If anything these NFT artists sound as desperate as these E-beggers who go "guys im autistic black yellow blue megatronsexual minor with prosthetic legs and overweight living in uganda and i need money to buy a switch".

I've NEVER seen regular artists who do commissions beg and shill as much as NFT artists do.

No. 987223

Not sure if anyone in the thread can answer this, I want to make free assets and looking up patents that I can use, such as Creative Commons. I'm thinking of hosting my commercial-free assets either on my website or gumroad.

I looked up Creative Common and their use but I'm still puzzled whether it applies outside of US. I just like to make stuffs for free and I'm also tired of having having to monetize every aspect of my creative brain juice.

No. 987506

>>987064 awww, still salty?
>>986909 There's literally no difference between e-beggers, and folks shilling NFTs. None. Both can be equally annoying. But at least one has the potential to earn some good money, by marketing themselves directly to a clientele, who actually has the income, and means to pay for their work. Whether its commissions or nfts,both are risky, and can cost an artist time, and money. Pick your poison.

No. 987513

>>987210
This is all nothing more than conjecture, and your own biases. All you've delivered, is an emotional filled rant. NFT artist are no more annoying, than financially irresponsible individuals, constantly e-beggging, for constantly coming up short on the rent. There actually is a demand for higher quality artworks in the nft space, and especially that of furry artist. Why do you think NFT bros have been dming bug artist, as well as making hundreds of post discussing how to get more actual artist in the space? Now I may not agree with their methods, but it shows ghat there is a demand for such things. Theres teo sides of NFTs, you have of course the investor side, who only cares about pump and dumps, and the more seriois side of collectors, who actually want to purchase art collections, and collectables. As the economic conditions become more unstable within the next few years, more artist are going to cross over into NFTs. Theyre not going anywhere. Instead of being ignorant, and speaking on what you have no concept of, try actually learning about NFTs, and actuallu talking to artist who are as actually doing them.

No. 987521

I am begging the next thread to ban NFT discussion. I'm sick of hearing about them and whoever keeps shilling them in this thread.

No. 987522

>>987521
PLEASE. It's almost always the same bullshit. NFTnon tries to churn out pro-NFT garbage, anons reply with the same old reasons as to why it's bad, NFTnon proves to be delusional and keeps repeating their garbage, and it loops on infinite.

Even milk related to NFTs end up being the same shit always.

No. 987548

>>987506
Kek you're running out of shit to say, literally how are commissions a risk? You do the work, you get paid. Shitty clients are rare despite what you read on twitter, and they can be avoided with a few policies and blacklists. With NFTs you pay (a lot) to put up your work on the site and you don't know if anyone will buy it. If you're a new unknown artist the chances are really low actually, even more so if your art style isn't shitty, repetitive and "soulless" garbage. So objectively NFTs are more risky, but I can see why they could be appealing when they're marketed as a "get rich quick" scheme.

No. 987552

>>987210
> bitbros who buy NFTs only want stupid collectibles

NTA but why? Why those ugly disgusting monkeys? Not going to deny it: I saw some really interesting things, like AR NFT jewelry that’s amazing. But it just not as popular as the ugly monkeys. And they all look the same. They don’t even change outfits.

No. 987557

>>987552
NFTs aren’t really about art appreciation, they’re about social clout and flexing. A few months ago all the biggest NFTs were artworks from big media franchises or famous sports plays, because people want to claim they own something well known and recognizable. The NFT collections like apes and crypto punks come with communities for you to flex your cool new PNG at. You wouldn’t have as many people who would be interested in admiring your NFT if you bought a legitimately nice piece from a no name artist.

No. 987884

>>987552

Pretty much what >>987557 said. NFT collectors only buy NFTs for the sake of claiming something "unique" and recognizeable that they can then sell for millions in the future. It's much easier to create a ton of ugly as sin monkeys through AI generation that are guaranteed sales if they come from a well known clique or company than to put effort in art that's actually good while being completely nameless in the NFT market. I remember an anon (in this thread or the other) that said that NFT buyers have no standards for art, and that's true. They don't care about art, they care about clout, flexing and money, and that's it.

No. 988017

I get that sometimes people want to reflect on their past as they age but something I've always disliked with Michie is how she tries to count her age as a legitimate number of conscious years to share her "life experience". Like bitch no, you're 20 but that isn't akin to 29 years of life experience. How would it? You can't count your infant years as "life experience", at least in the way she's spinning it.

I dunno, saged for irrelevant to art itself and just general annoyance with an artist themselves.

No. 988020

>>988017
>you're 29
typo

No. 988128

(nothing to comment on the actual content of the video)
you know, this girl doesnt really render badly at all but boy does the traced 3d model look blatant. she's mentioned in other videos that taking shortcuts isn't bad at all (and i generally agree) but shouldn't she at least make it look… decent? i mean look at the hands. it honestly brings down the whole illustration imo.

No. 988143

>>988128
I've grown to kinda hate this artstyle imo. Over rendered eyes and lips and fuck the rest, it makes the character look like they took a bee bite to the mouth and cried for 2 hours after taking a week's worth of all-nighters.

No. 988208

>>988143
I've always thought about those pieces where they clearly over-rendered one part of the illustration at the expense of the rest of it the equivalent of someone thinking a fedora will pull together their cargo shorts/socks and sandals outfit.

No. 988221

>>988143
>>988208
Yeah, it's a common ocurrence in amateur art. Mediocre-to-dogshit anatomy thrives easily on social media because as long as it has pretty eyes then it's fine. No body gesture or anything just crap with a pretty face.

No. 988223

>>988221
The worst part is that these people don't even render the entire face well, only the eyes, the lips and maybe the nose. The rest of the face tends to get minimal shading and it ranges from lazy and flat to "literally looks pasted in"

No. 988358

am i just being an out-of-touch internet old-timer or are people incredibly cavalier about showing their actual face with this artvsartist hashtag

No. 988364

>>988358
nah i find it weird as fuck too. i'm on my early 20s and pretty much grew up on the funky early internet and i remember how it was pretty much tabboo to post pics of yourself irl online even more if you were a kid.

there's also the fact that a bunch of these people use super filtered selfies where they purposefully look aesthetic or very attractive as a way to gather more engagement.

No. 988369

>>988358
Showing your face online has been super normalized for like a decade, I don't see how this is different from people taking selfies for Instagram of Facebook in 2012. I get the sentiment of sharing your face online to be a little unsafe but showing your face online isn't a new trend at all.

No. 988370

Just a personal vent, but I'm genuinely stressed about how my close friend doesn't seem to like… pick up art criticism or know how to improve.

We've both been drawing for a long time, and I don't mean to humblebrag or put them down, but my art has been a lot more successful and well recieved both online and irl and I know it bothers them. We've both started selling our art recently and when I was doing better they ended up in tears and started taking their frustration out on me. I just brushed it off at the time but there was literally nothing I could do, anything I could say to comfort them would have just been patronizing and snapping at them to pull it together would have just made the situation way worse, knowing their personality.

I do genuinely want them to improve but they seem so stuck in their ways that even just offerring small pieces of advice feels like pulling teeth. "Do some anatomy studies!" "I used to do them back in college, I already know anatomy…" "You should try using this brush now and then to change things up." "No, I know it wont look good if I try it, I want to use the one I always use." It'd be one thing if they just drew for fun but like I said, we're both starting businesses and also, oftentimes I wonder if they even have fun drawing because they barely do it without incentive and complain about it a lot. I want to keep moving forward and improving my art and keep the momentum of my business growing, but it hurts knowing my closest friend isn't happy for me yet refuses to listen when I try to help. We have almost the same amount of years of drawing experience but it's like they learned all their techniques in year one and never learned any new ones and it really shows.

>inb4 you're not really friends/stop being friends/etc

We've been close for over a decade, we easily support each other emotionally, mentally, and financially in tons of situations. Part of why it's so hard to talk about this with them is because this is the only thing that has ever been a downside in our friendship and I have no idea how to talk about it.

No. 988377

>>988370
Anon, are you me? I had the exact same thing happen to me a couple of years ago.

It wasn't a super close friend of mine, but still someone I chatted with pretty regularly.

Not flexing in any way,but that friend really admired my art and would go on and on about how they wanted to draw like I did and begged for me to teach them how to do it. And I'd genuinely try to help, but they'd quickly deflect any piece of advice or criticism I'd give their art. "That's not the style I want to have!" "I don't draw realism though" "I already do studies!". There was no business involved, if anything this friend (now ex-friend) only wanted internet clout (I'm far from famous, but I get some nice engagement from my followers). In the end we drifted apart because I was sick of them constantly asking me to teach them, refusing to listen, then being passive aggressive or crying that "my art sucks!"

Since ending this friendship isn't an option…honestly? If I were you I'd call them out on this behaviour. Not in a mean or angry way, but make your side of the struggle known to them as well.

No. 988386

>>987884
So NFTs are just adoptables/picrews for bitbros kek

No. 988389

>>988370
>I was doing better they ended up in tears and started taking their frustration out on me.
Prediction, this friendship won't be a long lasting one due to obvious jealousy, she should be happy for your success not in tears wtf

No. 988391

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I know iamlunasol has a lot of lolcow behaviour but isn't this too much ? Like stalking and recording without permission in con isn't that illegal? Zoomers Fandom is just plain insanity. I hate that most of nowdays fandoms are infested with these type of people.
https://twitter.com/sanr10cr4zy/status/1468136919330856960?t=F1UX7fDJtLSd46cM28HfFQ&s=19

No. 988396

>>988370
you should probably throw some tough love at her before she ghosts you. i think its inevitable.

No. 988397

>>988377
Sorry to hear about that experience, but it is comforting to hear other artists have gone through something like this. It's really hard to talk about because it can just seem like backhanded bragging, but I put a lot of work to get to where I am and I want my friend to be able to do so too, but it's hard when they just don't or won't listen and just feel sorry for themselves instead.

>If I were you I'd call them out on this behaviour. Not in a mean or angry way, but make your side of the struggle known to them as well.

Yeah, I think I will have to eventually. I'm just worried I will go about it wrong and somehow end up as the bad guy. From a just friend perspective, I want them to just have fun and be happy and to support whatever they make, but from another artist's perspective, I want them to realize that "getting good" takes real actual work and part of that is knowing how and when to take criticism and finding new techniques to keep improving.

>>988389
I mean, I would love for our friendship to keep going for as long as possible, but it's definitely an elephant in the room sometimes and I just don't want it to destroy anything. She struggles with chronic depression and is particularly self hating and comes from a family that put her down a lot, so I understand why she was as upset as she was if she's putting her self worth into her art (she is), but it still hurts when I'm trying to be proud of my years of hard work and she can't fully celebrate with me despite being my closest friend.

No. 988413

>>988391
It totally sucks for her but, it's a con. It's unrealistic to attend these expecting maturity and no retarded tiktok-addicted teenagers with smartphones. It's just the environment. Not to be an insufferable downer or a victim-blamer but this is why you don't beef with stupid people on the internet when you got an online presence to care about.

No. 988445

>>988391
Reminds me of thumbcramps lol. Why get in arguments online in the art space on such a large scale if you don't expect the thumbcramps treatment. Sucks I guess but like, if you make your entire career off of getting in drama you get this

No. 988502

>>988369
Sharing it to your friends and family or whatever isn't the same as sharing it with thousands of strangers who followed you for art.

No. 988898

>>988370
This is going to sound manipulative and you don't have to follow through this advice;

You can trick your friend into thinking they're better than you.

Since theyre the one always coming for you for art advice, right, how about you doing that instead. Since you're the only one paying attention to your friend's art, it's probably easier for you to see what stands out about their arts, what their followers have been commenting on their arts, etc.

Does your friend suck at anatomy? Ask "I don't know how to draw dynamic bodies like you do!"
Your friend sucks at fundamentals? "I think it's really cool that you don't have to rely on references to draw!"
Oh, also are you the anon posted about the friend refused to use any other brush other than the binary tool. I guess you can say something like "I'm not good at using these tools like you do, you seem like a master of binary tool! I can't imagine myself using anything else other than these soft brush etc".

Fool your friend into false self-esteem and eventually your friend doesn't find reason to shit at you for being better anymore, rather maybe they will develop a god complex instead! At least they will leave you alone and turn to enjoy art & flexing their mediocre skills. There!

No. 988948

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Looks like NFT art thieves are starting to steal from Qinni. As if we needed yet another reason to hate them.

No. 988956

>>988948
This makes me legitimately cry. It makes me sick that people would sell her art. That's evil. When I just got out of high school I emailed Qinni telling her how much I admired her and how I felt like I couldn't improve and how I lacked confidence and she sent me back the most thoughtful and supportive response. She was such a sweet person. Fuck those degenerate NFT scumbags.

No. 988962

>>988948
They've been doing this for months, it's fucking terrible. >>>/ot/786502 Qinni doesn't deserve this.

No. 989058

>>988948
Shit like this is why I've grown to hate NFTs and people who support NFTs down to a visceral level. It was never about art, it was never about """""the future""""" it was always about money and clout and always will be. I don't care anymore, people who support NFTs when shit like this keeps happening are some of the most disgusting people to ever exist. If NFTs are "so good" and these are "just some bad apples" then grab your fake ass monopoly money and your networking of basement hunbots and do something about these thieves.

No. 989109

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>>988948
Just now twitter suggested me this tweet. Cryptoturds are disgusting pieces of shit, period.

No. 989115

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Any thoughts on Quinn? Technically they’re not an artist but they're still a big participant in the art community.

No. 989121

>>989115
nonny she only has one video related to art, her insta has no drawings and her twitter has some retweets about art and thats it, what's there to have thoughts on?

No. 989146

How do I get a good following on Twitter as a fanartist if I don't draw gay stuff or porn?

No. 989152

>>989146
Draw for popular series or series with sizeable fandoms. Stuff like gacha games or whatever anime is trending.

No. 989153

>>989146
If your art isn't good enough on a technical level to get you a following regardless of the content, you can try drawing meme-y, easily shareable stuff? With fanart you can also get a following quickly if you draw headcanons etc. that others find interesting enough to wanna talk/think about. It doesn't have to be gay or porn, it just has to be either beautiful and nice to look at or interesting/engaging in some other way. You obviously won't get anywhere drawing mediocre portraits facing left. It's a plus if you can engage with other artists in the fandom, but again, not absolutely necessary if your skills are good enough (and you find some niche to fill content-wise). In the end it also depends on luck I guess, so just try to have fun

No. 989181

>>989146
I'm so tired of this question
Why can't anyone ctrl+f?

Let's put this kind of thing in the sticky next time then ban it

No. 989220

>>989181
What should we add in next thread's bullet points?
> How do I get traction online?
- Draw genshin impact
and
> NFT shills fuck off.

No. 989253

art anons, which group has the higher commission rate? coomer scrotes or fujoshis?

No. 989380

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looks like Jasmin is in trouble again
>>989253
both market are hit or miss, you rather pick the one that you know you'll affiliate with the most. The only way to crop a patreon following, is to actually participate with your fandom, which need to show some enthusiasm for such subject.

No. 989396

>>989380
Should just find alternatives from Paypal. Have anyone used Wise and Payoneer? They're the only ones available in my country right now though I don't know anyone else using them yet.

No. 989421

>>989253
Furries

No. 989496

>>989253
Furries and coomers and furry coomers. Those memes about suspiciously wealthy australian furries exist for a reason.

No. 989564

>>989496
Its not a meme. There was that Korean surgeon that religiously commissions macro Starfox porn. They literally spend thousands each month on it.

No. 989612

>>989380
Has Jasmin been in drama before? She seems like a pretty chill artist. What brought this on?

No. 989735

>have an art friend, we like the same comics and sometimes do trades
>she does a giveaway
>bitches on private that only 50 people applied so no one wants her art for free
>she had a huge DNI carrd in the giveaway post anyway
>she decided to do 30 requests and drop them on xmas
>I tell her to just take it easy and try to enjoy the practice
>for days she's been complaining about mento illness and how hard it is to do giveaways, and how she's not interested at all
This is fucking cow behavior, her private only has 10 followers so I'd reveal myself if I posted caps, sorry.

No. 989740

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>>989612

Dug around a bit and it seems that she was defending a lolicon artist last year and got some backlash for it. Picrel is her deleted tweet.

Here's her "apology" tweet in which it's kinda, eh, to me, I'm surprised at the amount of hugbox-y in the replies.

https://twitter.com/JasminDarnell/status/1276122243416780800?s=20

TLDR for the linked thread
> it's just a drawing and cancel culture is toxic
> oh okay I didn't know the information beforehand before making tweets whoops
> autism

No. 989750

>>989735
aren't you already revealing yourself by saying you are on her private?

No. 989762

>>989750
Eh, it was too vague and she doesn't browse lolcow. I just wanted to air out my salt a bit.

No. 989999

I cannot paint hair. I can paint and render skin very nicely (in my opinion), I have a pretty good grasp of anatomy, color theory, even backgrounds are decent if I put the effort on them. But hair MAKES ME INSANE, I've watched and read tutorials, I've tried doing studies, I even tried with different mediums (digital, acrylics, watercolor, pencil colors, regular pencils, even ballpoint pens) and while the structure is fine, once I need to add color to it I fuck it up royally. I HATE HAIR.

No. 990002

>>989999
Hair used to be a major challenge for me and for the longest time I pretty much spent all of my energy and effort mastering how to render hair. But tbh? After some time I just stopped giving a shit, and somehow I managed to find a way to render hair I'm more comfortable with by simply not caring enough.

No. 990096

>>989735
Being annoying and kinda weird isn't cow behavior by itself, anon.

No. 990187

Does anyone else have the experience of mutually supporting your art friends on social media with RTs and the like, only for them to blow up in popularity, and start ignoring your posts? I don't want to be one of those people who gets upset over Twitter statistics but it really hits a nerve when a person goes from interacting with everything I post, to interacting with nothing after gaining a few thousand followers.

No. 990212

>>990187
Ask yourself this: why did you follow them in the first place? do you enjoy their art? If them not retweeting you anymore upsets you so much then just break the mutual and move on. No one is owed anyone's attention just for being twitter mutuals, anon.
And i don't really see the point of following artists on twitter if you don't enjoy what they post, just expecting things from them in return.

No. 990233

>>990187
This just sounds like both of you were using each other for social media clout but one ended up getting dropped after they no longer became useful for obtaining said clout. Welcome to the world of social media fame.

After being on this board for so long you probably should have seen something like this coming.

No. 990259

>>990212
>>990233
The thing is they still talk to me for a few hours everyday, it's not like we're just mutuals, we've been friends for a few years at this point. I legitimately liked her art and I thought she liked mine. I didn't think we were using each other at all.

No. 990260

>>990187
Honestly this sucks so fucking much. I don't know your circumstances, but I used to do this for friends or close acquaintances only to have this happen and feel like my good will and our friendship was one-sided.

I support friends and similar because we are friends, but people can be so fucking mercenary about it. I don't bother following friends socials anymore unless I enjoy their content. It feels cold but people are selfish.

No. 990264

>>990259
I don't know why you feel like they should like and retweet just because you're friends. Please consider that boosting content to thousands of people isn't something they might feel comfortable with. Some big artists don't even like, retweet or even follow other artists, even if they follow them. Not everyone feels comfortable with being public like that.

No. 990307

>>990260
Nta but fucking 'muh goodwill' KEK this is why I fucking hate Twitter, I'm not going to go out of my way to RT and like your shit unless it's actually good, and I don't expect any of my mutuals or friends to do that even if we talk daily, unless it's explicitly communicated at some point, having this kind of expectations is just weird and asking to be disappointed in the future. This weird rat race to get social media clout is sick, I hate it. Anyway nothing against the anon I'm replying to, it's just that your 'goodwill' comment came off so conceited I couldn't help but reply , did they ask you to do it? Or did you just assume you're doing them a favour of your own accord? Kek

No. 990314

>>990259
Sounds like she's just oblivious. idk maybe try being upfront about it then, but obviously without being demanding or bitchy. Tell her you feel like your numbers are stagnating lately and you could use the boosting or something. Don't antagonize them for not retweeting you often or simply for getting more traction than you, that's crab behavior.

No. 990319

>>990307
>This weird rat race to get social media clout is sick, I hate it.
Same

No. 990683

>>990187
Did she ask you to boost her before she was big?
If yes, ask her to boost you
If no, don't be mad that she isn't retweeting you now

No. 991010

Does anyone know about paypal alternatives? I first wanted to use paypal + use kofi as a middle man but apparently people can still get your real name and infos, and seeing the climate in the art community, even if i'm far from posting controversial takes or problematic content i still don't want to put my name out there at all.
Also i can get in legal troubles if i use a business account without having a registered company, and i really don't want to go through the fucking process just to get 200€ per month if I'm lucky

No. 991269

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Hey guys I thought this was a good deal that some of you might want to get. slickdeals.net is a great site for seeing things that are on sale and I've had no issues buying from B&H.

No. 991612

>>991010
Maybe you could do it with Revolut? thought you'd be less protected than with paypal afaik

No. 991921

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I scanned the previous thread and didnt see this so I'm rewriting this to sound less bitchy.
A month back jazza did a callout vid on zhc. It goes into zach's manipulative tactics and how he used other artists for clout to get where he is.
And I just wanna say, so what? It was so blatantly obvious he was like that, in the end you agreed to do the collab with him.

No. 991987

>>991921
I mean, I know that there’s a lot of artists out there who do collabs only for clout, but for some, they prob expect to still be “friends” or to stay in touch outside of a collab video.

No. 992009

>>991269
Very cool! Thanks for the rec, anon. That is a good deal afaik.

No. 992327

>>991921
I think it's also the fact that many artists know ZHC is clickbait, but for the audiences, they probably don't.

Of course, it isn't any illegal or shady expose but I think bringing attention to the manipulative tactics such as playing up his carpal tunnel, how many artists would do collabs with him only to not get their shoutouts, etc. or really even just flexing how much money he has. If you notice, a lot of artists (even mediocre ones like Chloe Rose) don't really watch or interact much with his content. Even the cows don't bother bringing him up, it shows just how far from art his content is.

It's nothing anyone really asked about. But given that Jazza was going down the same route of just being a clickbait algorithm artist it is interesting to hear his perspective given that he "pulled himself back" from that. Plus his videos on it focus on ZHC as a brand, not Zach as a person so there isn't much to really talk about in that regard.

Though, I will say the 1.5 was pretty eye-opening in that custom things likely do not last very long before beginning to look ugly.

tldr: Nothing anyone asked for but an interesting perspective nonetheless

No. 992915

>>991921
I watched this video and quite like it, I'm looking forward to part 2 of this. IMO it's rare to see fellow creator criticize other creator in a civil manner, I like how he approached that youtube has incentivized dishonesty to generate effectiveness (clickbait) than genuine educational content, and that every creator has some level of dishonesty, or lack of transparency towards their audience.

It got me think back on my freelance work, despite not being an art youtuber.

No. 993209

I feel so mentally ill, when a mutual unfollows me and I finally notice it I feel so stupid. I'd rather they just soft blocked me so I'm not left thinking we are buddy kinda until I go to look at their profile and see they no longer follow me

No. 993352

>>993239
Die.

No. 993359

>>993209
Someone I'm art mutuals with for years unfollowed me and a bunch of others. I can only speculate that vtubing fame got in their head and we were reduced to a follower statistic.

No. 993375

>>993209
>>993359
I think the problem is everyone assuming everlasting friendship from just being mutuals. I agree on softblocking as it is more or less social media courtesy, but if you never talk to each other or aren't that close what makes u think they can't unfollow you ever?

No. 993684

>>993375
I agree with this sentiment. When I add mutuals on discord, the conversations would never pan out because we had nothing but art in common. This weird para social expectation that we are besties with mutuals is so common, yet deranged.

Nowadays, If a mutual comes and talks to me, I treat them more like a coworker or acquaintance. Interestingly enough, most of my best friends have only a few followers versus my 10k following "moots"

No. 993815

>>993684
I feel like visible follower count and "online clout" does ostracize a normal artist relationship. I admit I did have a better time and more friends to talk to when I was less a popular artist.
Now everywhere I go everyone recognized me as "x series fanartist" and some even claimed that I had shaped the fandom at its earlier stage (what???), when in fact it was just me drawing a few funky headcanons I was musing with my friends at the time. I hate internet.

No. 993850

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I don't know how to express this, if a people follow me because of my art style is usually draw by certain "group" and they believe i'm part of "group" when the fact I'm actually not . Major red flag there.

No. 993853

>>993850
wtf does 'cosplay as japanese' even mean? judging from the tweets alone alli can see is their selfies and the fact that they use emoticons. is it now illegal to use emoticons because it's a japanese-only thing??

No. 993855

Social media would improve tenfold if the numbers next to likes, retweets, followers, etc. were just removed.

No. 993857

>>993850
Lmao it's the kinoko situation all over again

Not sure if OP of that post (wild_forms) is milky enough but they sure are terminally online to make a fuss on every single fucking shit everyday. How are this people not exhausted?

No. 993863

You all suck.
I really doubt there are some hidden gems among you.
It's all superficial.

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No. 993875

>>993815
Separate yourself from your main account. Post less there. Draw other shit in other places/accounts under a different name and limit your following to your friends or something to make it more refreshing. Start to put some distance from that specific online persona you -intentionally or unintentionally- created.

No. 993908

>>993857
what's the kinoko situation?

No. 993922

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>>993908
This exact situation >>993850 happened only a few months ago with a French artist named Kinokorp >>794453

White artist draws Ero Guro artwork and gets labeled a racist for it. French artTwt came to her defense tho.

No. 993928

>>993922
why do americans and other stupid terminally online woke-sters love to woobify asians to the point that if you dare to draw an asian character in a situation other than 'cute' or 'badass' you instantly get labeled racist?

No. 993984

>>993922
Stuff like this is why I hate the online art community nowadays. Not just on Twitter (although in there the case is way worse), on every social media. These people go on about "creativity", how "nothing is cringe anymore draw whatever you want!", yet when someone draws something that doesn't allign with what they like they instantly go "OMG ARE YOU RACIST YOU DREW GORE OF A JAPENESE GIRL!!! DIGUSTING WHITE TRASH!", "THEY DRAW BEATEN UP WOMEN THEY MUST BE SO SEXIST AND A WOMAN HATER!"

I'm a candy gore artist and I just wanna do my shit and be left alone, I barely care about the race of the character I'm drawing unless I want to bring some cultural element in the composition or whatever. These people act as if japanese and most other POC are braindead, innocent little babies who can't defend themselves and are aaaaaalways being attacked and needing to be protected because a BIG EVIL CISHET WHITIE posted a jpeg.

No. 993994

>>993850
>>993922
It's always one specific sector of art twit that shit themselves over these things and it's always jobless people from the US who tweet all fucking day every fucking hour. Jay is gone thankfully.

No. 994006

>>989121
I guess I was just curious as to what people think about her. I know she helps daft with his vids despite criticizing him before. Her first video was really good though.

No. 994011

>>993922
The ones calling her out were actual mentally ill lunatics doodling chicken scratches that got them nowhere, one of them pretended to be an ethnic MTF tranny for woke points despite being a white girl, and people really let scum like that dictate their opinion. Jay might be gone but there's always someone to take her place, when the fuck will this end?

No. 994024

>>993922
Can online art communities just return back to the way they were in the 2000s, already? between having to see the same rehashed content and woketards like this harassing artists it's insufferable to create content in this atmosphere

No. 994030

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why do i see this person on my timeline drama whoring at least once a week. has no one told them to stfu yet

No. 994034

>>994030
pretty sure they must be using the drama to up their engagement at this point.

No. 994039

>>994024
Honestly the headache-inducing Twitter crab-bucket makes the DeviantArt drama of yore look so quaint. Like remember when all the biggest drama was over people copying each other's styles/OCs, and the main thing people worried about was their art being recolored in MS paint by a twelve year old? What an innocent time.

No. 994040

>>994034
i've never seen an artist who regularly gets 10k on a post be so starved of attention

No. 994042

>>993850

i looked into the original tweet and kek people are accusing these two of pretending to be asian just because they have japanese quotes on their bios and """"have an art style that's distinctly asian""""

apparently art styles are gatekeeped per country now gals! you can only draw in art styles from the place you're born in otherwise you're RACIST! globalization is an illusion.

No. 994051

>>994030
Dump this into sjw twitter thread in /snow/ next time >>>/snow/1387114
These species must be contained.

No. 994052

>>994051
im only putting it here because idolo isn't in that specific group of people, if anything im pretty sure they hate idolo. also they're not very milky

No. 994061

>>993922
As if the Japanese dont draw their own much more graphic versions of school girls and sell them off on patreon subs or something

No. 994066

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>>994052
She's in the thread title summary?? girl what are you talking about. We're sick of seeing her mentioned here.

>>994024
Big agree. Though tbh I've seen enough of dramas and "this artist is a pedo for drawing porn this highschool character!!", but it was pretty rare and not being Constant and spiraling in the way twitter and other SNS play into right now.
I miss twitter when it was a space to shitpost and talk shit with friends and mutuals before the worst parts of tumblr migrated to it after the porn ban.

No. 994070

>>994042
Oh shit then they must really hate hidetaka miyazaki for being so obsessed with western fantasy, daaaamn racist ppl eeverywhereee guys

No. 994071

>>994066
kek, i see, i haven't been in that thread in a while

No. 994080

>>994070
If that's the case then they must hate soooooo many japanese writers and illustrators in the industry because the japanese love to throw around german names and use militaristic german aesthetic for weapons and uniform (particularly from WW2) in countless anime, manga and games.

No. 994112

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>>993850
https://junkroom.tumblr.com/post/670410908843016192/whats-up-with-yalls-lack-of-critical-thinking
There's a Tumblr post calling out the artist on the right (sakanazakana) and kinoko. This is such a weird reach. I scrolled through sakana's gallery and the claim that the majority of her art is of Asian subjects is simply not even true. It's also funny how they're accusing her of Asian fishing when she has drawn herself multiple times before, clearly featuring her curly hair and light eyes.

No. 994120

>>994112
man I really wish I could just reply these posts with "I'm asian, I don't find this is offensive and what you're perpetuating is harming creativity itself".

Honestly, it's too much trouble, too smooth brained to engage. Culture Gatekeeping will kill the cultures themselves. Globalization and encouraging certain ethnics to be spread is encouraging tourism in that country/community. I'm speaking from my experience working at tourism and it was such a delight to see foreigners took interested in our niche culture.

Cultural Appropriation is a neutral term and these fucking smooth brained bitches should just stop accusing anyone "pretending to be this race" when it's just speaking in our non-native language. What the fuck.

While I understand there has to be some skepticism when it comes to globalization, I don't think any of these people have a basic grasp of what it means and what kind of nuance discussion to have, instead of jumping into conclusions on their own all the time. Not defending any of these artists here, I'm sick of dumb kids white knighting when no one asked for it.

No. 994124

What I find interestingly disturbing is how nowadays if you don't draw exactly what "you're supposed to" AKA what lines up with your race, gender, sexuality, what's politically correct and so on, then you're "___ baiting" or being "___phobic" or "fetishizing" something. If you dare to draw in a style that's from another culture (even more if it's from a culture considered to be a minority group) then you MUST be doing it because you're some nasty pasty white american who wants to pretend to be from another race- and not because you just happened to like the style or aesthetic and want to create something similar.

I wonder what these people would think of early 2010's art community, where almost everyone had japanese usernames and japanese quotes on their bio from their favourite anime and everyone tried to act like an anime character and learn japanese and go to Japan and "be japanese" because Japan was the coolest thing ever. It was almost never about appropriation or fetishization (not saying that there weren't cases like that, of course there were AND are, but the majority? Nah) it was just finding something cool and wanting to create content with the same aesthetic for the sake of it looking cool and making you happy. I'm from a culture considered "minority" and it makes my day when I see people not from my country trying to use aesthetics from my culture for their art.

No. 994127

>>994120
>man I really wish I could just reply these posts with "I'm asian, I don't find this is offensive and what you're perpetuating is harming creativity itself".
If these threads have taught us anything, is that whenever someone from a minority group speaks out and says it's not a big deal, then they're shitty for "speaking on behalf of others". In other words, you never win with these people, they will always twist the narrative because the only opinions that are right are theirs.

It's even more embarrassing when such callouters aren't even from the supposedly affected minority group.

No. 994158

>>994039
Ikr? The biggest ‘call outs’ were on edgy characters and ship wars. Nowadays a 12 year old will call you a pedo for shipping two fictional minor characters, and whole documents will be made to “expose” you.

And ppl think the only Karen’s out there are the bob cuts when there’s a new Breed of online twits who have never touched grass

No. 994239

>>994112
I don't understand why these specific kind of art styles are not okay, but anime is? All the freaks whining about these artists draw anime-inspired crap

No. 994382

>>994024
You would have to convince people to return back to DA. Tbh, I would be ok with it. For all its faults, at least you could make friends, do art trades with people of vastly different skill levels, and just have cringey/fun discussions of fandoms

No. 994418

>>994127
>listen to (insert minority/racial group here) voices!!
>person from that group with an opposing opinion
>OKAY BUT NOT THAT ONE, that's one of the bad ones

No. 994438

>>994239
Even drawing anime could get you accused of cultural appropriation. maybe not nearly as often, but I have seen this take before and it's equally as stupid.

No. 994444

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Nonnas talk me out of it, I have a perfectly working, barely touched wacom pen&touch but I looked at the new version and it's make me think "mmmh". It's just prettier and I can upgrade to size M. The green is also cute.

No. 994446

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>>994239
That's actually a really good point. I think it might be because anime inspired styles are considered pretty generic(?) at this point because anime is so popular everywhere now so everyone's trying to copy it. Anime nowadays also feature a lot more races so it's not an issue to them. These styles aren't generic but I think they still take some inspiration from Japanese artists like Yoshitomo Nara, Makiko Kudo, or Takano Aya(picrel) and people associate these styles to the Japanese artists so much that it seems weird to them that people who aren't are drawing them.

I may be in the minority here, but it's weird that I've seen a couple people get on to Ethan Becker about only drawing black people being weird but defend artists like kinocorp who only draw Japanese school girls. Is it because of how the situations were handled or am I missing something here?

No. 994451

>>994444
You should do it, sell your old one online! I recently upgraded to a bigger size myself and love it, and I sold my old one for a really good price!

No. 994459

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From what I see going on here, I also just rme heavily when I see constant sperging about "appropriation" and "fetishizing" going on by sheltered dumbasses on twitter, but one person I wish would be called out for his blatant fetishsizing is Fin Dac. He's an Irish street artist but all of his subjects or most of them are just E.Asia/Euroasian women with the same exact same splotch of paint on their face like literally that's just his all pieces I've seen but people constantly asskiss calling it amazing and groudbreaking everyime he shits a new one out. It's creepy af. Picrel is of artist and his typical subject

No. 994461

>>994112
So you have to primarily draw art that looks like your own race/cultural background now? Jealous people stop reaching challenge lol
Also, the OP says she's Korean, but isn't she "culturally appropriating" AAVE with "y'alls"? Lol cancel her

No. 994465

>>994461
most of these people crying "cultural appropriation" tend to either not be from the race they claim artists to be appropriating or they are massive hypocrites. maybe both.

No. 994476

>>994120
Ever since I read that tinfoil that the whole "cultural appropriation" debate acted in bad faith (accusing kimono-wearing foreigners of racism and all that) is a psyop driven by western corporations to remove all competing cultural elements and force everyone to consume only Hollywood-born western influenced media because that's their only allowed cultural production I haven't been able to stop thinking about it.

No. 994484

>>994459
Notice that men never get "called out" for shit. He could draw 1000 Japanese schoolgirls being eviscerated and heavily sexualized at the same time, and internet tards would pretend they didn't see shit. It's always women they want to cancel

No. 994490

>>994444
You should just sell your old tablet, and more importantly use the money to buy one of the older intuoses instead of one of the new ones, the old ones are built solidly and will potentially last you a decade or more (mine is a decade old), the new ones I've heard eat nibs like crazy for no reason other than to sell you more nibs. The only thing that kind of sucks about the old ones is the 2048 pressure levels but unless you have a super light hand I doubt it's something noticeable.

But if you just want a cute tablet? Sure, why not. Get a big tablet to avoid carpel tunnel.

No. 994491

>>994484
Well, most of the people I've seen engaging in these race related callout hatemobs and conducting them are also women. I could be wrong, but it feels more like women fighting other women for stupid reasons hen "big bad men hating women".

No. 994492


No. 994496

>>994491
>>994492
No, that's what I mean. It's pissy women cancelling other women because they're jealous/petty and know it's easier than taking aim at men who actually do gross/weird shit

No. 994497

>>994446
here's my thought process
>woman draws only Japanese school girl
hmm probably a harmless weeb
>(annoying) man draws nothing but black people
hmm probably a gross fetish thing

No. 994508

>>994497
yeah because women can’t have fetishes anon that’s totally impossible we’re all just sexless prudes. get real, bitch probably wants to be a japanese girl

No. 994515

>>994510
You're right, Sakimichan did it best by just flat out ignoring anything that went her way and just continuing with her coomer stuff and letting her own whiteknights to their thing automatically. She knows she can get away with it without moving a muscle, and well…she did.

People who do these callouts are people who are not only people pleasers but they want to be morally perfect superior, which is of course impossible and pretty stupid. As a result most of these people end up as delusional, terminally online or flat out hypocrites.

No. 994516

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>>994508
Do you really think someone who draws this shit doesn't have a fetish

No. 994522

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>>994491
Well from my personal observation , the only known woman artist that handled these situation best is Sakimichan. Don't respond keep posting. Act unapologetic all the time.

In my opinion the people who make this type of callout are mostly people pleaser, like you can't please anyone in reality.

>>994515
the sad fact is that the new normal era is fueling a unhealthy relationship with internet in general and act think the net is their real world.

I think people nowdays just need to know the line and different between critique , dislike and hating .

No. 994523

>>994516
they both have a fetish. heterosexual male lust is more accepted in society and that’s why he is not afraid to show his disgusting fetishes to his retarded underaged viewers and followers who don’t suspect a thing

No. 994525

>>994484
For real! It also helps that hes not on that SJW twitter art world but more commercial and shit so they don't do that dumb mob jump ons, because they're all adults. But if an artist deserved it, it really would be him and his misogynistic ass. I just feel like is anyone not weirded out when they read his quotes like this "My decision to focus mainly on the depiction of Asian women was more to do with…a serious lack of positive representation, and…the work I did could counteract or counterbalance overly objectified depictions…” But then you see his "art," I don't know I've just had to deal with so many scrotes praising other ugly ass moids in my work and what's the art they're gagging over? Yet another half naked woman/child, literally becoming more and more misandrist by the day sorry for the sperging

No. 994537

>>994508
never said women can't have fetishes, anon, don't get your panties in a bunch, it's just much, much more repulsive when it's a scrote doing it

No. 994575

>>994523
I think it has more to do with how "most" males handle twitter drama and how most women do, men like Ethan Becker don't give a shit about what some zoomers on twitter are saying and so you can't cancel them, the more you care the more power they have

No. 994602

>>994537
nta but i find both repulsive imo. men draw 57397 variations of the same stupid bland ass hourglass body girl with huge tits and ass but women, mainly the woke ones, draw some of the ugliest ''''''diverse'''''' porn imaginable

No. 994738

>>994491
it's a cycle of women bullying other women to push the old narrative that women have to be "morally pure".

No. 994844

>>994476
That’d be hilarious, I almost want to believe it. Honestly though I don’t blame Americans for taking inspiration from other cultures because the US feels so cultureless in comparison. There technically IS a culture, but it’s just not all that alluring. The only “fun” art styles I feel are associated with the US would be Disney, Marvel/DC comics, or Cartoon Network/Nickelodeon styles. That’s… Well, they’re not bad styles if in the right hands, but it’s a limiting selection. Plus I feel like some people seek out “new” or exciting aesthetics no matter what their own culture is just because they’re so used to their own stuff. There’s definitely a line between appreciation and fetishization, but I don’t think most people genuinely cross it. I think some artists’ obsessions with other cultures could just be regular appreciation + autistic fixation.

No. 994985

>>994444
don't do it, get a cintiq

hah, you thought i was trying to save you money

No. 995033

>>994516
after watching like two videos of ethan becker my friends forced me to watch I actually never saw what his arts actually looked like. He looks like a soyboy with a beard and honestly it's like most male art youtubers, ross tran also grosses me out too. How do people watch these vids and basically worship them smh

No. 995084

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>>994516
OT but his art looks like knock off nurzhan bekkaliyev.

No. 995085

>>995084
what the FUCK is going on with the right girl's hip area

No. 995102

>>995084
I was just going to point this out because it was honestly the first thing I thought of when seeing how he draws female bodies.

I feel like I’m in the minority here, but I kinda like how females are drawn in these styles. They’re drawn in a bit of a bimbo fashion, but there’s order, if that makes sense. Like unlike most coomer art, you can easily break down the shapes organically in an easy to read way.

No. 995112

>>995102 I see where you're coming from… The girl in the middle is kinda cute but the the other two are so ugly looking.

No. 995148

>>994446
> I may be in the minority here, but it's weird that I've seen a couple people get on to Ethan Becker about only drawing black people being weird but defend artists like kinocorp who only draw Japanese school girls. Is it because of how the situations were handled or am I missing something here?

Are you the one keeps bringing Ethan Becker in the thread and keeps tinfoiling about anons trying to divert conversation from him when there's nothing milky about it?
The anons above didn't defend the weeb French artists, they're annoyed about dumb woke kids flexing in artist space.

No. 995267

>>994446
Anons here are shitting on authoritarian twitterbrained people twisting their panties over everything because they're annoying and because no one outside of the woke pits of twitter and tumblr cares about some weaboo russian getting inspired by yoshitomo nara.

No. 995302

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>>995267
weaboo russian is actually getting gigs in the industry now for drawing same faced persona fan arts. what else can we do.

No. 995397

>>995302
What's their name again? I think I followed them on DA way back when

No. 995452

>>995397
Ilya Kuvshinov. He even managed to become a character designer on the new CGI Ghost in the Shell series and visual designer for the film "The Wonderland"

No. 995464

>>995302
oooh so it's this picture an anon on /m/ traced and tried to pass as their own Asuka fanart.
>>>/m/160029
Funny how artfags were immediately able to spot that due to chicken scratch lines lol

No. 995517

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>>995302
Not another retarded Ila Kuvshinov take, I'm not a fan but dude has the skill to be getting all of these contracts in the industry, which is clear if you do literally one scroll on his instagram. Sure, same face girls get the most clicks, and good for him to be able to get engagement so easily, but there's no denying he can and does more than just that.

No. 995557

>>995517
NTA but that's the point retard, he can do more than that but the only reason he's getting gigs in the industry is for his goddamn same face anime girl, it's obvious if you look at the two things he worked on in the industry (>>995452) that his only meaningful contribution and input was to inject his sameface shit and suck out any semblance of personality in the characters. Sure he can do more than that, but pretending that's the reason he gets industry gigs for anything other than his 1. same face girls and 2. his popularity is just disingenuous.

No. 995561

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>>984381
>i will not take criticism

No. 995577

>>995557
Not his fault that the industry ignores his talent and hires him to draw sameface anime girls. Good for Kuvshinov for making serious cash without exhausting himself at all

No. 995646

>>995577
You really enjoy licking his ass, don't you? Kek

No. 995650

>>995646
Nah, that was my first comment ITT. I just don't see the problem. Hate the game, not the player

No. 995741

>>995302
same anon as >>995267, when i mentioned weaboo russians i was specifically talking about Sakana.

No. 995784

>>995517
AYRT Yeah what I meant was >>995557
I hate that dude and whenever I scrolled Deviantart top page or my spotify playlist with his art blasting on my face it annoys the fuck out of me. I don't care if he's "more skilled than the same portrait same face same angle" thing, the fact that his type of art has soiled the standards of the new generation of artists, and the fact that I have to see his same face shit everywhere I go just fucking pisses me off. While I see artists who are more talented and put more time & efforts in their arts are getting snuffed out due to not being relevant, or when fame Finally gets to them so does internet drama.

>>995741
Didn't know Sakana was russian. I guess I still stand my point of weeb russian artists making (social capital) for drawing anime pinups

No. 995837

Anyone else enjoys drawing stuff they are also ashamed of?
Do you still draw what you enjoy?
When I tell people I like to draw and they ask me if I can show them some of my work, I just try to find an excuse because I don't want them to think I'm weird…

No. 995895

>>995837
Very recently, like in the last few years or so, I finally admitted to myself that I really like drawing naked / barely clothed bodies lol. Not unique at all but also not something you can just show people irl. Drawing clothes is boring to me most of the time, but that also means I don’t have enough practice with it, so I’ve been trying to develop more of an appreciation for fashion so that I can come up with outfits and draw different types of clothes. I do occasionally try to draw stuff that I can show to family because they like to ask about my art sometimes.

No. 995902

>>995837
I like to draw pics with morbid themes or imagery/symbolism/mood considered "creepy" or somber (not gore or stuff like non-con and violence though. think of "character posed like satan but in slight pastel grunge", rather), but my family is pretty religious and…needless to say last time one of my parents found one of my more somber pieces my mother had a talk with me about how it looked evil and "devilish". I found it so silly, I just find those themes cool, but now I keep it all on separate sketchbooks and folders. I don't know how other people would react to it outside of the internet so I don't even bother showing them.

No. 995939

Question for artists here, which gets you more commissions/valuable customers being a popular artist on twitter or a popular artist on instagram? I want to know what social media to primarily put more effort in.

No. 995967

>>995837
This is going to sound morbid, I don't draw what I enjoy anymore. The moment I was "joyful" in making arts has become fleeting, this is the result of being an online artist for so long, and I've lost the identity which defined "what I like" and more of "what others prefer to see more".

But yeah I don't mind showing people my works (offline and online) because the artworks look "cool" and "deep meaning", for me it was just an emotional exhilaration moment until I decided to put my brush down.
Even this… style of typing I do is ridiculously pretentious due to high art influence. I hate it. I don't know. Nona I hope you find joy in your arts even if it's shameful for you to show right now.

>>995939
I only use twitter. I've heard that insta got more traction but mostly from zoomers, so I avoid it entirely.

The majority of zoomers are on twitter as well, though my clients keep in check with my updates there more frequent than my other websites. I've gotten industry gig offers from my Deviantart portfolio too, so branch out your contents as much as you want.

No. 996022

Am I just that bad at socializing or is it extremely hard to make adult art friends online, esp in "fandom" spheres. I'm a hobbyist with around 200 followers and I'm more than happy that way. I'm not amazing but I like making stories and drawing fan art and things but it seems like everyone else my age online with similar interest are people with art careers trying to make money rather than be in a community, which isn't bad it just leaves me thinking that my only option is to befriend teens (because most of them still draw for fun at that age) and I'm not interested in that. Anons is it just my social autism?

No. 996029

>>988898
This is really funny in concept but doesn't quite work when they very clearly are not gaining followers or making money lol. Honestly if my friend was completely successful with their art at the skill level it's at and never tried to improve, I'd be happy for them, but no amount of complimenting from a friend is going to suddenly make strangers buy their art if they don't see the value in it.

No. 996050

>>996022
> everyone else my age online with similar interest are people with art careers trying to make money rather than be in a community

You're fine anon. It's just you came to a time when making fan arts become more acceptable and more popularized. People have to put their fan arts behind paywalls to prevent art thefts, NFTbros and even dumb zoomers being invasive and annoying.
I really miss it when drawing fan arts were just for shits and giggles instead of fandom street cred bullshit. We can only blame the climate.

>>996029
AYRT, yeah this is only temporary fix for OP and her friend relationship. If my friend suffers low self esteem and refuses to take constructive feedbacks from friends, then they should just find professional help instead.

No. 996220

Wise convention anons,

Is it worth getting a booth if you don't have a big following but art that appeals to a current popular fandom or would it be a waste of money?

I'm debating getting a booth at a local con but I don't have a big following so I don't know if it's worth it or not

No. 996256

>>996220
I’ve been doing cons for years now and I don’t have a large following (about 2k on my social media) but that really doesn’t affect sales tbh, I do pretty decently. If you have popular fandom goods for sale, you will most likely get sales (as it’s hard to push original content sometimes). It also depends on what type of con you’re applying to since crowds at anime and comic conventions are a bit different. So if you have more video game/anime fandom stuff, anime cons will probably be the place to go.

No. 996301

>>996256
not involved in this but out of curiosity, how much is the average booth and how much do you end up raking in at cons? are there ever times where you end up shelling out more on your booths than you earn?

No. 996324

>>995837
I enjoy drawing floating heads even though I can do more and I'm ashamed of it because it shows my lack of skills with poses and composition, but that's not what you're asking, kek.

>>996220
If the fees are reasonable and you're interested, you should do it, but don't expect to earn big in your first few cons, aim to breakeven when you've just started out. I've made a lot of friends doing cons who helped to push my following without me really doing much (I didn't ask them to either, it's just a thing that happens when you make friends I guess), so if you care about that stuff it could be a plus for you too. But of course, YMMV, and my personal advice is for you to do it for fun instead of for money. You'll enjoy it way more that way.

>>996301
This question is way too vague and location dependent, anon.
>are there ever times where you end up shelling out more on your booths than you earn?
Yes, my first con, where I didn't know what I was doing at all. That was years ago when I was a teen and no one did artist alley as a living though, with the climate these days it'd probably only happen if your art is really THAT subpar or you overestimate yourself and overstock.

No. 996368

>>996022
It depends heavily on the availability of other people obviously, but it's totally possible to have adult friends in fandom without being much of an artist. I consider myself a hobbyist since I don't do art for a living, I don't even have a big online presence and I got a few freelancer friends which I hang out with on discord and whatever from time to time. It only takes a mutual interest in something in particular for you to bond with someone who is willing to have you as their friend. On the other hand making friends with teens sounds like a fucking hassle and something i would avoid completely. It was easier in the old internet where community forums were a common sight and social media wasn't a thing, maybe you could try joining some adult oriented servers or something?

No. 996382

>>996324
>subpar art merch
Genuinely curious how some people with subpar art still get to churn out a lot of charms and pins every month (not preorders). Who is buying them? Are they constantly operating at a loss?

No. 996669

>>996382
To be frank, the normie <insert fandom lover here> has no real sense of art skill and quality and will buy anything if it appeals to them, kind of like how Twlight got popular or those bargain bucket Instagram uwu artists have a million followers. As long as your art has color and looks like the character, and if they’re doing something cool and or cute (this also just means either some kind of chibi or flashing colors, like cool literally just means high contrast colors) you’ll get sales. Peoples sense of art skill and quality lowers even further at cons because they’re high off excitement so they’ll buy literally anything.

No. 996937

This isn't news to anyone but /ic/ is so fucking stupid. Every thread:

>How many boxes do I have to draw before I can get a 8/10 art gf?

>Is it ok if I poop before I draw? Is it okay if my hand is a little warm when I draw? Is it ok if I draw before school? Is it possible to get good at drawing if youve never seen a woman naked irl? Will drawing more often make me better? Should I draw right now or after dinner, mom is making spaghetti.
>How do you draw a girl without getting extremely horny and needing to cum (this is a common one, unreal)
>"How do I draw like this?" insert the most fuckugly drawing youve ever seen in your life
>Is using reference bad?
>Single idiot making an entire thread to ask one retarded question that is already answered several times over in the sticky
>Is my pencil too sharp, is my brush too big, is my screen too small, should I learn japanese so I can read japanese tutorials?
>NGMI: no asian drawing genetics
>Can I learn how to draw from just watching tutorials and not drawing?
>Fap thread disguised as a "reference thread" full of nothing but photoshopped onlyfans girls wearing low quality aliexpress cosplays and comical levels of jpeg compression

Moids are so retarded, they'll get sidetracked talking about coom, calling each other faggots, and arguing about how to hold a pencil and end up never actually drawing, then complain and blame everything but their work ethic on why they're shit at it.

No. 997026

>>996937
Stop going there. Seriously. It’s bad for your brain.

No. 997031

>>996937
why would you go to /ic/ enough times to know all this, are you a masochist

No. 997043

>>996937
Holy shit I also frequent /ic and this is spot on. I usually go because I'm a masochist like >>997031 said, but also because its hilarious. I specifically love those draw a box fags reeing because they can't draw a box in a certain perspective or shit.

No. 997053

>>996937
Sometimes I go there to crab on coomfags and call them soulless

No. 997058

>>996937
Reading this made me audibly laugh, it's so true. I only read /ic/ like I read /snow/. My favorite current meme that they take 1000% serious is the "I can't draw because I'm in my 20s and too old, muh neuroplasticity".

No. 997094

I am so tired of people bitching about, or promoting, NFTs everywhere. I also hate that you can’t just have a neutral opinion or not care about these kinds of things anymore. It’s like you HAVE to have a stake in things.

No. 997106

On the topic of /ic/, are there any forms/boards y'all recommend that are similar in concept, but less moid brainrot? Sage because I feel like a similar question was asked on a previous board.

No. 997110

>>994444
an old intous will last you years. i also have the new intous and it's fine! i loved it and the pressure is buttery smooth. though the pen been giving me hell recently

No. 997112

>>996937
Post this there and make them REE

No. 997114

>>997106
It used to be here, but the threads have decreased in quality dramatically (you could say the same for /ic/) because newfags from twitter can't ignore bait, don't read past threads, don't bother integrating, bring over their retarded twitter faggotery and now every thread is the same few:
>Retarded arguments about NFT
>Retarded arguments about commissions (omg gaiz this person's prices are so expensive lolz)
>Repeating questions about how to get social media clout
>Shitty milk that's not milky at all
>Retarded back and forth about puritan shit (Anon wants to draw problematic shit → "oh? why would you want to draw that, anon?" retarded twitter snark→ retarded derailment of thread)

No. 997121

>>997114
>Retarded arguments about NFT
>Retarded arguments about commissions (omg gaiz this person's prices are so expensive lolz)
This bothers me. So many legitimate artists wouldn't have gotten involved with NFTs if commissions/merch were more lucrative.

No. 997170

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I’ve been fucking wheezing over this im shaking ehile typing right now

No. 997171

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>>997170
KEEEEEEEKKKKKK

No. 997269

>>997114
Makes me wonder what can be considered "quality question", when I already saw a few got ignored and they weren't bait asks.

It got me question… how old are the nonnies here?

I assume everyone is 25+ in this thread and more used to late 2000s art era. Doesn't respond to milk posts because the anons don't recognize the artists mentioned Nor care.

No. 997279

>>997269
I'm under the impression most serious questions asked in this thread gets answered. 'Quality' questions are simple:
>Not bait
>The answer is not easily googled
>Not a FAQ that gets asked every fucking thread (hey guys any tips for twitter/what's the best platform for art/is furry or porn worth getting into for money)

We have a wider age range here than your assumptions, I'm quite sure, if the questions about further education are anything to go by. Nothing wrong with that.

No. 997396

>>995837
cute girls. I'm trying to vary my artistic output but I always fall back to cute girls almost always. But these days, I feel weird doing it.

No. 997494

Personal venting as I’m kinda getting frustrated,but I have this friend who has this one and ONLY one oc that is very obviously a self insert (has her exact rl appearance, dresses in the same clothes, behaves like she does) and she’s been complaining to me lately how she keeps being ignored or kicked out of discord servers for her oc and how no one wants to rp with her because people prefer m/m shipping ( I mean no shit, these fandoms she’s in usually tend to be full of fujos. That and something tells me that’s just an excuse she’s being given bcuz no one wants to rp with a self insert)

And to top it all off she’s being flamed in other servers for constantly tracing art despite my warnings that she shouldn’t be posting them publically/ have advised her again and again that she needs to stop relying heavily on tracing or else she won’t improve. She refuses because she’s very sure that tracing is the only way she can improve and victimizes herself over every little criticism.

Now she wants to bypass getting blocked/kicked by changing her oc’s name to something else other than her own (yes her oc also had her rl name). Idk if I should continue trying to advise or just watch her fumble around.

No. 997661

>>997494
If I were you I'd just watch her crash and burn. You said that you gave them many warnings and they didn't care, so you're just wasting your energy trying to help someone who doesn't want to be helped.

No. 997892

Anyone know why heartmush deleted their instagram?

No. 997898

>>997494
what fandom?

No. 997907

>>996022
Definitely not just you anon, part of the reason why I'm almost exclusively a fanart artist is so I can make friends and it doesn't always go well. I manage to make mutuals but then from there it's hard to actually go beyond being friendly moots or there's alreadya strong cliche that's awkward to break through. I just want friends I can sperg with but eventually you'll meet someone on your wavelength, just keep going. Good luck anon!

No. 997937

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A mother of two who trooned out in her late twenties got viral by making Zhongli Genshin Impact themed condoms. Also ended up tweeting her kids were happy accidents and got a lot of flack for that

No. 997948

>>997121
Then this just further supports the argument of being pro NFTs, and knocks down the entire arguement of "well why cant artist just do commisshionzz or open merch storez?" Very few artist are able to make an actual living, being fully supported by their merch, or commissions alone.

No. 997989

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TD: “Guys I know I took a over $100 flight to and from to go to a reinassance fair, but I’m poor now, could you pay for my tap water filter?”
Ok, correct me if I’m wrong, but that seems like a landlord issue, right? Or do they charge the person for the filter then buy themself the plumber?

No. 998065

I'm just being wishful, but I really want to have a platform to make fan arts for fans and fans only, not getting involved in rat race or oppressive olympics.

It used to work for me in the past when I just made burner accounts and made fast friends in fandom, but now it's hard to mask my art style, and my bad experience with fandom recently has caused me to lose faiths in making friends in my shared weeb interest.

No. 998082

>>997948
Or just pay artists better commission rates and buy their shit.

No. 998090

>>997937
KEK. twitter is a social experiment istg how is this real

No. 998095

>>998065
>I really want to have a platform to make fan arts for fans and fans only, not getting involved in rat race or oppressive olympics.
I feel you anon, that's why social media as an art platform fucking sucks chimp dick, nothing frustrates me more than twitterbrained people weirdly guilt tripping others to be activists every second or else they're BAAAAAAAD and also racist or some shit. And it's always teen/young adults. I'm a hag exhausted from work, i just want to fucking relax.

No. 998099

>>997989
I'm like 99% sure hard water is perfectly fine to drink/ use, except that it can make your skin and hair drier? And on top of that, conventional water filters that you put on your faucet or pour water through don't make hard water soft at all, they just filter it. I remember wanting to soften my hard tap water for hair reasons but after doing research, to get a proper water softening system would be around $1,500 and a whole lot of maintenance and installation. So in short, I have no idea what this person is talking about in regards to this being an emergency at all, let alone something $100 could fix.

No. 998102

>>998082
That's kind of the issue. A lot people bitch about artist getting on the NFT Ponzi scheme but also complain about artist's paltry commission rates being too high. The best alternative to try and make a living with art and not get jumped on by hoards of twitter nuts would be to either go industry pro or try becoming an ARTuber; both of which are volatile.

>>998099
She probably thinks slapping a Brita filter on her faucet will do the job.

No. 998128

>>997661
That’s pretty much what I settled on doing from now on, is just sad she’s become so obsessed with wanting validation through her oc that’s she’s stunting her art process

>>997898
She’s in many different fandom related servers(mainly anime) but the recent incident was her getting kicked from a genshin impact server when they found out she was self-inserting. Hence why now she’s trying to change the name of her oc to something other than her own.

Honestly looking at it now is kinda lulzy kek

No. 998284

Genshin was a mistake istg

No. 998298

>inspired by that dumbfuck who "painted" Ino from Naruto over a 3D model
seriously though, why don't more people take high quality 3d models and paint over them just enough that it's not too obvious that they used a 3d model? seems like a pretty good way to make a lot of pretty art quickly if you have some 3d skills (and a lot of recurring characters like in fanart)
or maybe it's everywhere and I'm just too blind?

No. 998546

seriously, how did vtubers even get popular? i decided to watch a couple for the first time just to see if it's truly that amazing, and the models move like absolute dogshit. they barely move their mouth or blink correctly, that if they just don't spazz as if they stuck a finger in the plug. there was one that even had a 3d model but she still moved like an old person having a stroke and the comments were giving her model endless praise for "being so expressive!" when the thing barely opened her mouth to speak. it wasn't even fun to watch the gameplays because the vtubers constantly overreacted and started screaming like rats and their reactions in general felt so obviously fake. and i'm talking about industry vtubers, such as the ones from hololive, and not fan ones. most of the vtuber designs also look like shit, overdesigned to hell and back and trying too hard to look unique and fit within a gimmick.

i can understand why genshin got popular, the game at least LOOKS good, but vtubing? no.

No. 998718

>>998546
because vtubers were a "break" from the traditional streaming format and the fact that many of them (at least professional ones) manage to avoid getting into petty twitter slap fights and arguments because they have an image to uphold, scamming fans (at least not yet), shady brand deals, among other things that seem to plague traditional streamers.

as far as them overreacting and screaming, it's no different than normal streamers..

No. 998865

Does anyone here use Procreate? It’s my main art program, but I feel like it’s been horribly buggy since the latest update. Anyone else had this experience?

No. 998959

>>998865

Yes, glad it’s not just me! Mine improved a little by updating iPadOS, but I’m still having freezes when i use the move tool.

No. 998970

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Man, I am so tired of this narc

No. 999010

File: 1639890897895.png (2.16 MB, 1664x3776, robaato.png)

>>998970

Robaato is actually getting into some trouble because he was being pissy about someone wanting an update on their commission they waited two years for. I don't get why some artists don't put a cap on how many commissions they take. I get you have to pay bills but potentially losing customers in the process sounds worse in the long run. I don't get as many as this dude by a long shot, but I still make a point to keep commissioners updated.

Here's the full chat : https://imgur.com/a/hUujay5

and the original tweet: https://twitter.com/antsstyle/status/1454509524346417152

No. 999017

>>999010
>>998970
oh my god this guy is truly unbearable.

No. 999018

>>997031
to be fair, the artbook thread and some others /ic/ are a goldmine of tutorials and artbooks that you don't have to pay for. If I bought all the books I managed to save from /ic/ I probably would've spent more than I get in 4 paychecks. You can even find some on nhentai of all places, that's how I found rinotuna's art tutorial books. Now that I think about it, what's with places like that being the ultimate resources for free shit? 4chan I understand but a site like nhentai?

No. 999093

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Hey nonas, I really love this kind of rendering/colouring style (picrel) but it's been hard to grasp how to execute it. Sometimes I can pull it off but usually it looks too messy. Do I have to keep doing certain colour studies? Or are there palettes I need to take note of?

No. 999160

Bump bc cp

No. 999179

>>998970
Faggots think they're kangz for making shitty video game porn art

No. 999181

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>>999093
Ngl i think it's 100% abt colors, everything in the image is a shade of blue or grey (except the light on his skin at the bottom). One thing i think would help is to keep a shade of blue in the little palette thingy (picrel if you have csp, but some swatches in paint tool sai have the same function). Btw do you have the name of the artist? It looks like quruiqing (if not them, you should check them out still)

No. 999197

>>999181
Yes! It's by quruiqing! Thank you for answering, when I look at the work, there's just precision in the placement of colours that I can't seem to get it yet. When I look at this piece, you can see the original colour of the object/person even when it is dyed in blue or the reflection of colour bouncing off the object, I just never know what colours to exactly place to get this effect. More studies probably…

No. 999202

I know everyone hates the annoying NFT infighting but I find it extremely fun. Been learning a lot of nonatellas.

No. 999215

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Ok now that the nona up asked, I dare to ask something too. kek.
Does someone know what technique Chengwei Pan used to archive this texture on the skin? At first I thought it was noise with little opacity, but after trying I didn't get the same results

No. 999219

>>998298
Basicallly because it's hard to pull off well if you aren't good enough to do a handsome painting without the model anyway.

No. 999382

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Forgive me if I can't explain what I'm looking for correctly but does anyone have any techniques or ideas for how to obtain a look similar to a manga scanalation completely digitally? Even just getting a believable subtle print look to a digital piece would be appreciated but I'm really interested in coloring like pic rel. Or like the original pokemon artwork.

No. 999399

>>999215
I may be wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if this skin effect comes from a textured brush of sorts. Maybe a watercolor brush with a slight noise texture?

No. 999440

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>>999215
I think >>999399 is right in that it's a textured noise brush based on what I can see, but I think that's in conjunction with a low opacity noise layer as well

>>999382
Easiest way would be to slap a watercolor paper texture as an overlay layer at low opacity on top of the drawing.
For techniques try to use the white of the canvas to make the highlights more distinguished.
Other than that I'd study watercolor artists and how they create. Even if you're doing it digitally you can apply what you learn from irl watercolor painting.

No. 999632

>>999093
Have you tried shading in all grey values and then messing with gradient maps to get a good starting point for your colors? You can set up the palette ahead of time and the gradient map will take half of the work over for you. Adjust on top as needed.

No. 999697

Viibean seems to have returned to twitter after getting chased off social media by college and her fallout with omocat/punimelt’s weeb artist friend group

No. 999701

>>999697
She just graduated from Art Center so I guess she's going industry pro. Good for her, success is the best revenge.

No. 999883

>>999697
she seems to deleted all her old tweets as well, I'm going to miss her old arts but honestly good for her for starting fresh again.

No. 999941

I hate to sound like an idiot but can someone explain to me why people use drapes for practice in art? Is it simply to learn how cloth works or is it a values thing?

No. 999951

>>999179
I'm confused are these 2 gay men or fakebois

No. 1000092

>>999941
It's both. Cloth in particular is a really good way to study edges (hard, soft, lost edges) and learn how to depict forms accurately once you hit an intermediate level. However, I doubt it will do much but frustrate a beginner if you try to study it right off the bat, and you'll miss the point of doing studies of it anyway (blindly copying instead of understanding), so just go at your own pace and tackle it when you're ready.

No. 1000093

>>999632
I've never thought of doing it this way, I think I'll try it out, it sounds like it might work thank you!

No. 1000133

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I for some reason stumble over alot of racebending lately and also over alot of racebending hate … in both directions.

I saw people claiming it’s blackface if you make a character black.

I saw people claiming that it’s racist to make a character white. …

And I am just sitting here wondering where the issue is and why there so many people being hypocrites.

I never was a big fan of either race or gender bending but I don’t really give a shit if people do it. I mean yeah it can be fun to redesign a character.

But I think you either go full way or no way.

Either all directions are okay or none are.

People are allowed to make white characters black, asian or alien or plants or whatever they want. They also are allowed to make black or asian (or alien or plants XD) characters white. It’s not racist and it is not a political message. If you do it because of politics and “my diversity” you are an idiot. Diversity isn’t just skin color or “race” and a character who already is established like .. for example … Rapunzel (the disney version) still stays Rapunzel. If you make changes on her look, you also have to make changes on her surroundings as well (if you don’t do it just for the fun that is but if you want to hammer diversity). (If you take normal rapunzel you can do whatever because duh it’s a fairy tale it can be set anywhere in the world)

What I mean by that is that it simply doesn’t make sense to make a character that is originally planted in surroundings that are black or white or asian or whatever (especially if it plays in the past) a different race. It’s different if the story or character is from America (where you have everything) and so yeah sure make peter parker black I don’t care. Could very much be. Whatever.

But making Thor black makes as much sense as making moana white.

If you do it then do it right and change everything. (Again that just goes if you try be pandering and political so … basically you make an AU for the original. There is no issues with that.) Just don’t change a character and scream “Now she looks better” “my diversity” “representation”. It just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.

And for the art.

Learn color theory and don’t hate on people because they didn’t shade the character how you wanted.

Oh no … you made her white … even though actually didn’t but I want to be an asshole for no reason. What is shading and light? Never heard of that … freedom in art? NAH that is not a thing! Do it as I say because that is the only way and if you don’t you are a racist!

Seriously I am intrigued to make a blog where I just race bend all the characters and see what kind of backlash I get. Because that probably is fucking hilarious.

Rant over

No. 1000138

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>>1000133
Racebending used to be fun, how much of the character can you change while still making the character recognisable. People used to explore many different races and cultures not just making them Black plus it wasn’t politicised at all. I really miss the early 2010s of racebending

No. 1000140

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>>1000138
Couldn’t find a picture that incorporated Tiana in the mix but I remember the salt that was spilt over it, everyone was praising the light skinned -> dark skinned changes obviously

No. 1000149

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>>1000138
>>1000140

the vibe is not the same when it's about "muh diversity"

No. 1000184

>>999219
sage for stupidity but is it really? with minimal sculpting/modelling skills make a model, throw it into blender, add a light source and paint over it. Sure you can't make something super detailed, but it'll look good for simple pinups, right?

No. 1000205

>>1000138
racebending was ruined by woke culture just like genderbends (now wonderfully renamed as "trans headcanons" which is stupid because they're not the same but i guess people have phobia of words now). it used to be really fun to change a character's race to see how the setting would change as well. same for changing a character's gender, it was interesting to see how their life and adventure would be affected by that. but now it's just so mega politicised i wouldn't touch either concept with a 10 ft pole.

plus when people do racebends or genderbends nowadays they feel this stupid need to make the characters look as stereotypically ugly as possible.

No. 1000247

>>1000138
>>1000140
>>1000149
I have the same attitude about shipping, it should just be a fun what-if. But of course assholes have to attach some agenda to it ("fixed it" or "heh sjw btfo") and ruins everything. I wish fandom stayed just ways to explore ideas instead of condemning it as if it holds any weight like canon.

No. 1000249

>>998970
>>999010
Oh, I have some questions about this guy. Didn't he have a kickstarter game? Did he run off with the money or is it still in development? I was confused bc I thought it even got official backing from a company at one point. Didn't he have some weird meltdown bc of a divorce too?

No. 1000273

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>>1000249
>Didn't he have a kickstarter game? Did he run off with the money or is it still in development?

He says it's still in development but considering how he tends to give his commission clients the run around, he most likely has no real plans of ever finishing it. He said he was going to refund people in March but according to the game's (Cryamore) subreddit and Kickstarter updates, no one has gotten a refund yet.

>I was confused bc I thought it even got official backing from a company at one point.


Yes, from Atlus

No. 1000299

>>1000247
The question is do people ever get to have fun drawing anymore, I miss genderbend. A lot of times the characters who are well written are all Dudes, and sometimes we just want them to be female characters with depth, experimenting what they'd do with the world when they're a girl instead.

This exercise has always fun for me to explore in creative writing until I discovered the western side of the internet and now I hate everything.

A bit of unhinged rant. I've gotten an Aiden called me a third world country cunt for drawing exclusive for my mutuals who don't speak primarily in english. I'm sick of this shit. Every time I see another non-english speaking person getting harassed by these bitches I'm just infuriated.

I know everyone says "block and ignore!", but they never stop cropping up. Where is the button that I can blind a bitch instead.

No. 1000321

>>1000092
Thanks Anonette! I kept checking back to see if someone would tell me. I really appreciate it.

No. 1000352

>>999697
What's the run down of Viibean?

No. 1000424

>>1000138
my biggest issue with racebending now is that it is almost always done for "my diversity" and the fact that people throw bitch fits if anyone bends the character's race to something other than black and the fact that they always claim it is "diversity of other dark skinned people" even though it is very clear they edited/redrew the character with very african american culture or features and its almost always some dumbass shit like "There are enough white people in anime"

same goes for redesigns where they have to "desexualize" characters that are barely sexual to start with or upset people in the fandom find them attractive. It's stupid, obnoxious, and ruined what used to be enjoyable and widely accepted.

No. 1000429

>>1000424
THIS! Almost always when people racebend "for diversity", they just turn everyone into variations of african american. The few times they racebend a character into a latino, they turn them into a hispanic stereotype instead. It's not diversity if you just grab a cast of characters and just change them from "being all pale" to "being all brown",I fucking hate when people do this and call it "diverse" and I'm POC.

No. 1000473

>>999093
I've been trying to learn this style too! There's so much going on that it's hard to tell where to start. The colors are a lot and they make most of the picture, but I also wonder about how the artists makes the lines. Are they painted on afterwards? Or does the artist start out with a black lineart and colors it later with a mask layer?

No. 1000522

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>>1000424
Sorry for going on but about this topic but it’s such a shame to see how gutted it got. People are also very lazy with it nowadays because they just change the skin tone and that’s that, they never stop to consider how they could change the in-world cultural influences as well but I guess that’s a bit difficult.

No. 1000527

>>1000522
that's cute

No. 1000542

>>1000352
The weeb artist thread discusses the topic at length, just namesearch “vii” to find the relevant parts

No. 1000696

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>>1000299
I honestly prefer FtM genderbends bc MtF is almost always pure coomer-bait and barely resembles the character in anyway. Usually its like Sexy Halloween costume tier designs.

No. 1000733

>>1000696
Genders still rock. I remember someone did Dante and Virgil from DMC and it was a lot of fun. People gotta be mad about everything now. The female to male genderbends are always so hot

No. 1000741

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>>1000696
Oh definitely. I think with male to female genderbend I get to play a lot more with clothings and hairstyle!! Male fashion is limited to an extend to me, and I understand the majority of rule 63 are filled with coomerbaits, it's still refreshing to see popular characters rocking it as a girl.

The girlboss title has become derogatory term as of late too, so ig the internet just hates women lol.

Picrel of rule 63 fan art of Dream Daddy characters which was the bane of genderbend drama in art community, is it just me but that drama was just over escalated?

No. 1000748

Can we go one thread without racebending bitching

No. 1000758

>>1000741
Yeah, this mess of a drama is when "gender bending for fun" officially came to an end.

>>1000352
Short story, Puccanoodles (Marie Lum) accused her of hooking up with her boyfriend which turned out to be false. Omocat's clique jumped on her and kicked her out her friend group. Vii left social media and concentrated on school. Looks like she's doing better after having left them. >>735261

No. 1000767

>>1000758
NTA. anon whats with the komaeda I'm confused

Here's link to the thread detailing omocat and her cliche 3 years ago. Rereading this really refresh my memory and Vii definitely dodged a bullet (saving her sanity) for not getting further involved with them >>>/ot/15930
Or this >>8400

No. 1000769

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>>1000767
Holy crap, sorry folks. I was trying to link directly to the comment regarding Viibean in the Weeb Artist thread.

I messed up.

No. 1000776

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>>1000769
NP I was about to delete and repost my post too, seems like I couldn't link directly to the reply of the thread.
>>>/w/45883

picrel is a conclusion to vii's story at the time, and this also led to another anon (or two) confirmed about the secret toxic groupchat that vii was invited in, and left, and thus the homewrecking rumor started.

No. 1000780

>>1000741
What were the main problems brought up with this art?

No. 1000782

>>1000138
These are really cool, I love African Jasmine and Polynesian Pocahontas. Jeez I miss quality 2D western animation…

No. 1000790

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>>1000780
Just going to recite from my poor memory so feel free to correct me nonitas

ohnips was the artist who drew this fan art, I remembered the backlash comments was about one of the character was trans, so genderbending a canon trans character is Problematic.

Other nitpicks was about the character on the far right was originally a fat dude in his male version, and people complained that the artist only makes her boobs big instead of drawing actually fat woman (eh.)

It was escalated so badly where gamegrumps started to voice in and counter the "bullies". The artist mentioned receiving death threats when there wasn't any caps. She ranted on stream about how she's allowed to say the n word because of her black boyfriend. etc etc. The artist herself is unhinged and it was the milestone of "rule 63 is not fun anymore" on twitter dot cum

No. 1000798

File: 1640054651891.jpg (329.11 KB, 1412x1298, sketch.jpg)

>>999093
The mindfuck is that the shadows are more saturated than the main tones, which makes them seem brighter, even thought they're actually tonally dark

I drew a pic to demonstrate the basic idea.
1. Start with normal lines and fill.
2. Begin shading with normal dark shadow colour.
3. Shade using a bright saturated colour that is the same tone as the dark shadow but is more saturated. If you find this hard to do by eye, swap to the HSB colour mode instead of RGB in your colour picker. Continue shading using a colour that is even more saturated, but has the tonal value of the mid-tone shadow.
4. add in highlights and reflected light using a really bright colour that has a similar tonal value to the original fill shade
5. Colour in lines as your final touch. You can even erase some lines if you feel like it.
6. pic to demonstrate actual tonal values

No. 1000824

>>1000790
Naryt the tranny daddy was never a tranny in a first place, but the community kept headcanoning him as one (and pressuring the Devs before the game came out) to a point where Devs kneeled and turned him into a trans

No. 1000839

OT but is there some sort of platform or meeting place to find mentors or 1-on-1 teachers? I know cgpeers has an absolute fuckload of material and I have had an account there for years, but I'd love a motivator. I don't really want to nag my more talented friends over and over whenever I need advice or incentive.

No. 1000977

>>1000184
Nah pin-ups would be especially hard to pull off well with this technique because we detect wrongness in humans easier and you need good sculpting skills to pull off a natural looking body in a good pose in 3D. Basic 3D models are very bad at emulating the shifting of bones, muscle and fat so if you just pose a base model it will look like shit – but it would help with basic foreshortening and proportions with you needing to fill in a lot of info and people who use it that way usually don't overpaint, they just reference the basic pose. 3D is a better shortcut for buildings, rooms or hard surface/geometric stuff.

No. 1000979

>>1000696
This 100%, I rarely get enjoyment out of MTF genderbends for this reason alone. FTM genderbents are much more exciting because it gives me flashes of a world where men are just as sexualized and/or objectified as women.

No. 1001192

>>1000824
I don't think that was the case tbh
>>1000790
Wouldn't the FtM character just be MtF in the genderbend? Classic logic lol

No. 1001232

>>1000839
not really a good platform to recommend but find an artist you'd like or whose art/career you admire and see if they offer 1-on-1 coaching or mentoring services. one that comes to mind is lucidpixul or creativehive, but there are plenty especially nowadays who would offer if someone was interested

No. 1001249

>>1000839
Paid mentorships are a scam and should just be called consulting. True "mentors" are just friends in whatever field you're interested in. If you want structure, just pay for a class. Sorry for the rant but I hate this mentorship fad.

No. 1001350

>>1000696
>>1000979
FtM genderbends are hot, but I also like some MtF genderbends for a similar reason, in that it results in a character design of a certain gender that most people wouldn’t have come up with if they were designing a character who was originally that gender. So in genderbend art we can get sexy men and butch-lite/tomboy women, which a lot of artists don’t do in original designs and I wish I could see more of.

>>1000824
And they did that by putting literally one line in the game that references him being trans, so you could accidentally skip over it or pretend it never happened lol.

No. 1001599

>>1001232
Good to know. I'd assume a lot of people are willing to teach if I am willing to pay already.
>>1001249
That's definitely a good piece of information, I suppose I just need to develop thicker skin and be open to talking to my friends.

Just went and looked at my CGpeers account and it got closed for inactivity, and their IRC isn't available so I can't talk to the admins or anything. Guess I'm fucked then because all accounts are one a lifetime? My account's like 3 years old at best. Is there no way in hell to contact the mods or what?

No. 1001987

>>1001249
>>1001232
You could also try checking out class101? Recently they have been getting a lot of instagram artists involved, but there are some really talented people teaching on there. I think the classes go for a few weeks usually and some even have feedback options, so maybe not exactly what you're searching for but similar

No. 1002317

>>1001987
Class101 isn’t worth your time and especially not your money considering that classes are $200+. The “teachers” are just Instagram artists, not people who are actually trained to teach/have experience teaching, so the feedback you get is like “looks good, I guess.” Not to mention that a lot of the artists teaching class101 classes are ESL or don’t speak English at all, so how are you supposed to get valuable feedback from them? (Spoiler: you can’t. Their English isn’t good enough for in-depth feedback.)
If you want to see these artists’ progress or raw files, just buy them from the artist on Gumroad or sub to their Patreon for 1 month, download all of their files, and bounce.

No. 1002453

>>1002317
This. Just because an artist is skilled and you like their art doesn't mean they can teach you. Teaching is a very specific skill in itself. Which is why skillshare is also a waste of money when you can find the same tutorials from untrained (and trained) people for free. If you choose to spend money on your education you should invest in real teachers, books, or classes/tutorials from industry veterans.

No. 1002961

how does one become involved in the nft community in the first place? for an antisocial dumbass like myself, how does that go? is there a discord group? do I gotta kiss ass until someone notices me?
>inb4 some anon tells me why nfts suck
hush, I've made my mind up.

No. 1003035

>>1002961
By following a bunch of NFT shills, bitbros, reddit and most importantly by bidding on their pieces and expecting them to bid back eventually. Better step up your ass-kissing and get your wallet anon. You have to get into some friendship circles to succeed with NFTs.

No. 1003073

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is it a stupid move to change your social media handles as a somewhat established artist? established for me meaning I have gone to cons and done work in the industry that's linked on twitter to this handle. is it essentially equivalent to starting over??

The handle I have atm has nothing to do with my name, it was a subtle fandom related username that I didn't think to change before trying to establish myself as a professional artist. luckily i was able to snag the same instagram and twitter handle, but I still want to change

Should I change my handle? Any anons have any experience with this, what are the pros/cons

No. 1003079

>>1003073
You can change your account name and create a new one with you old (current) one that will redirect to the new one in the bio. Better to avoid someone pretending to be you or something. Also old fans will find you easier.

No. 1003087

>>1003079
>>1003073
A doll artist I know of changed her username without doing what you said, someone took her old name on Instagram (which is more memorable than the new one) and there's just some creepy satanic picture of a girl with blood all over her face on the account. Definitely grab your old username on each platform before you change, there's a two week holding period on Instagram so time it out carefully.

No. 1003214

she tries to make jokes but her voice is so boring and makes it awkward, not even in the funny way. shes def not struggling like she tried to make it sound on twitter.

No. 1003250

>>1003214
It sounds like she's trying to do that sexy breathy voice but it comes off as anything but

No. 1003265

>>1002961
Brown-nose and open your wallet up.

No. 1003384

>>1003214
>the birds remind me of when it’s time to sleep
>my entire setup is actually resting on a wooden board laying on two drawers, so Everyday I hope it’s not the day that it breaks in half
Kek I can’t with the dialogue and Pronunciation

No. 1003402

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>>1003214
Her entire personality and being is just being lackluster and boring. She’s got decent technical skills but her compositions are boring and her character design skills are awful. Pic rel is her new “spicy” design for her vtuber and it looks trashy at best.

No. 1003452

>>1003035
>>1003265
I'm too poor for that. Can't I just flirt and kiss ass and hope my uwu anime art is good enough for some incel to come bid?

No. 1003494

>>1003402
I think one anon said she created her vtuber group to try to compete with Ina from hololive. Her art's on the same level but that was never gonna happen. I watch Ina and can admit that she's low energy and a little boring at times but yueko is somehow more boring with no personality added on top.

>>1003452
Going into NFTs isn't really made with poor people in mind. If you think this is a viable get rich quick system, you're dead wrong. You're better off drawing porn of genshin characters or furries.

No. 1003518

>>1003505
>>1003494

That sucks to hear. I'm pretty sure I'm not the first person to think of this but I was thinking of building an uwu anime girl persona around it and hope I can attract enough simps. But at that point I might as well become a vtuber and hope it'll stick.

No. 1003553

>>1003518
I think I'm the deleted post anon, I wrote an even longer/more descriptive anti NFT rant and then deleted it but I'm glad you saw the first one anyway!
Being a vtuber unironically seems like a better use of your time.

No. 1003564

>>1003402
this looks like an offbrand kpop idol
>>1003452
anon if you're poor like third world poor, minting an nft will cost you your month's salary

No. 1003575

>>1003518
Then yeah, nfts aren't a good idea for you. There are thousands of uwu anime girl personas around and simps are for onlyfans. Being a vtuber may be a lot better.

No. 1003668

>>1003402
That is hilariously bad for someone who holds themselves on such a high pedestal. On twitter she said she rigged it herself and it looks worse in motion. She just looks like every other 'uwu oppai' vtuber with a different coat of paint.

>>1003494
Funnily enough, I just got into Ina's streams myself because shes a little boring but she seems more comfortable and not like shes trying to not wake someone up. I guess Yueko feels like she doesn't have to try anymore because she has her crypto to fall back on and braindead simps who also own crypto.

No. 1003915

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How do you guys feel about art rivals? Especially ones that tend to be one sided? Do you think it's good for motivation and remaining dedicated to getting better or do you think it's a bad idea to make that a driving force in improvement?

I'm pretty competitive and I've been guilty of going "I have to get better at art before this person passes me". I don't always do it and I genuinely enjoy drawing and try to focus on the fun of it, but I think that competitiveness helps me actually start on a new piece or study more.

No. 1004005

>>1003915
It’s honestly tiresome, I had a friend who had a hateboner for some girl in her class, she would constantly compare her art to hers and find a way to start beef or shit talk her. It’s not worth the hassle, just focus on yourself.

No. 1004056

>>1003915
I think you'd be better off trying to find another reason to be your main driving force for improving instead of being reliant on external reasons like that, much less another person. It'd also be weird if you end up being friends, or even just in general. The fact that some random follower/mutual is using you as an art rival in their mind to push themselves to do better just so they can outdo you? It implies there's a winner and a loser, and they picked you because your skills seem low enough that they think they can surpass you. What even is the metric? Don't tell me it's something retarded like followers count.

>B-but of course I'm not autistic enough to tell them about it!

Still, it's a weird and icky thing to do. I'd distance myself from a friend if I found out they did shit like that. The art scene is competitive enough without this weird art rival thing. It's not Pokemon.

No. 1004090

>>1003494
I’m the anon who brought up that AtoLive was created to “rival” Hololive. Yue is a clout chaser who’s deluded herself into thinking she’s more important than she really is. She also had a period a few years ago when she was really trying to get in with efamous cosers like Yashafluff and Aru.Rinh. Ofc they ignored her because she’s not a coser so now she shits on cosers whenever she talks about using liquify or warp on her art. kek.

>>1003668
I like Ina because she’s boring but comfy. You can tell that she loves art, so I can still appreciate her streams even though her voice is monotone and she doesn’t have any personality. Yue has been leaning way too hard into being an uwu irl anime waifu for nftbros, especially after she started fucking CL from egirl capital.

No. 1004210

>>1003915
It’s moid shit tbh. Focus on yourself and just being better than you were last year.

No. 1004288

>>1003915
times when i don't have someone picked as my "art rival" are times when i'm the most stagnant in my development. not to mention it's fun to pick much better artists as rivals and to try to surpass them in certain fields. there is nothing more exhilarating than seeing your old idol's art and being surprised that this is something you once looked up to. sometimes i drop them tho before that can happen because i become uninterested in the field we "competed" on. i don't tell (or interact) with people i pick as my art rivals because they don't need to know (or because they are already dead)

No. 1004305

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>>1004090
That's why she's all in on shilling crypto and NFTs, she's getting dick along with it. I knew they were fucking because she keeps obnoxiously mentioning a "yellow cat" and it wasn't hard to figure out.

I think this is them. He looks like a manlet kek (and I think thats Yueko in that persons arm)

No. 1004307

>>1000798
nayrt but thank you so much, this is so helpful! I'm going to try this method out right away!

No. 1004361

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I literally get one of these every year from someone. I can't even fake the excitement anymore. I'm an adult for Christ's sake. Do people really think established artists need MORE supplies? I can't trust average peoples' opinions on art if they think these things possess any quality.

No. 1004364

>>1004361
I literally got this gift when i was 11 or 12. I just had a flashback

No. 1004367

>>1004361
Is it that bad?

No. 1004368

>>1003915
art rivalry is a waste of time because the artist you're competing with has flaws of their own you're probably blind to. it's better to study your own art and recognize what you need to improve on to make better drawings and work on that.

being better than another artist is relative, how do you get better than them? what is better, having more likes or followers? you can only ever improve your own skills, the audience will have the final say in who they like more.

No. 1004387

>>1004361
Those markers shouldn't be allowed to exist, you use them once and they're dried up. I've gotten sets that are dried up before I've even opened it.

No. 1004390

>>1004367
Nta but these are so bad sometimes the pigment is unresponsive to water for the watercolors or they're barely pigmented, the markers would be dried out or just half dried shit, the crayons were…crayons, the pastels were basically chalk, and the brushes were super stiff plastic hairs. It would be better to get anyone over the age of 10 a somewhat good quality set of watercolors, colored pencils, or markers in small quantity than buy a large waste of money kids set. I wouldn't buy a 10-14 year old top of line supplies either because they might not appreciate it, but something in the middle ground would be a lot better. Derwent coloursoft would be fine instead of Caran d'Ach until the kid can appreciate such a big gift or are serious about art kind of thing.

No. 1004423

>>1003402
>the feet

No. 1004424

>>1003915
The only art rival you should have is yourself. It's so very pointless to compare yourself to another. Having supportive art friends or mentors are not worthless however. But motivation to get better should be intrinsic and you should strive to best your past self and meet your own standards, no one else.

No. 1004468

I have nothing to add but thank you to art anons who gave solid advice on commission price and such. I had consulted my art friends regarding the price but they way the construed it like "it depends" and hesitate to tell me which price range is common these days and would divert convo to "your art should be priced higher!!!", which is, annoying.
idk I hate it when friendship gets in the way of actually getting the answer I need.

No. 1004492

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>>1003915
I think is more like having a two edged sword for having an art rival.
Sure comparing yourself to another artist can drive you to imporvement but I think it will the lead to a mentality that you see yourself as an artist not as a person.
Like if you're comparing yourself to your art rival but you start not enjoying your progress is pointless.
Is not really bad thing(more like grey area), it is like having a sugar ingredients in your diet.
Then again the choices is yours anon.
Pic kinda related?

No. 1004500

>>1003915
Its annoying. I enjoy what I'm doing less. I don't want to fucking think about art that way, because it isn't from a conducive place. You may think it helps to motivate you, but if you've felt obsession, then you know the feeling of competition just routinely steals your attention from what you love. It actually just waters down what you're working on. It becomes contaminated.

Most of all though, you could just as easily be friends because you have the same interests. Everytime I run into this, this is exactly what I think. Why are we doing this.. Its actually just taking away from our focus? We should be friends, and sperg about things we love, since we're caught up in art anyway

No. 1004964

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Munchie wants attention and then is shocked when people give it to her

No. 1005009

>>1004964
Why the fuck would you say anything about it in the first place then, jesus

No. 1005101

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>>1004964
just checked her twitter and she mentioned getting a disabled-friendly trainer? How would she able to grip her dumbbell with those monstrous pointy nails. I’d be worried about getting injuries because of those nails.

No. 1005108

>>1004964
I hate this weird self conscious obsession of private qrt

No. 1005131

>>1003915
I actually do have some art rivals and I see it as a huge motivator for me at times. Though my rivals aren't people I hate or dislike at all, they're genuinely people who I admire and see as my peers, either very close ahead of me or very close behind me. They're rivals more in the anime sense, they motivate and inspire me and I don't want to be left behind. They're people who I wouldn't call close friends, I kinda keep them at arms length because I admire them, but they're all nice people who are kinda around the same groups I'm in.

Though there was one rival that ended up breaking out and started getting hired by huge companies and became friends with some big youtubers and stuff, and that was both heartbreaking and extremely motivating at the same time. I was sad that they jumped so far ahead of me so fast, but at the same time it seems like something that's even more possible for me now. I'll catch up some day.

No. 1005150


No. 1005289

>>1003915
I used to have "art rivals" when I was younger because I've always been highly competitive. While it did kick me into gear into developing my skills it ultimately was a pretty toxic situation and made me obsessed. Every time they posted something new that looked good, my day would be absolutely ruined. I would spend too much time contemplating on how to one-up them and nitpicking their work for flaws to comfort myself instead of just creating art for myself. In the end it burned me out and I had to drop art for years before I could pick it up again without feeling self conscious about not being the Best. I still get twinges of jealousy but it gets easier and easier to muffle it out and focus on myself instead. >>1004368 is absolutely right, it's better to focus on what you need to improve yourself.

No. 1005304

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anyone here feels like they're tokenized as an artist friend? I have people who absolutely give zero efforts in getting to know me or be my actual friend, instead just keep me around and throw in the "we are worried about you" card when I decided to burn bridges with them.

I find it's much easier to make friends when they don't know I draw for a living, though it has become difficult that I'm a full-time artist now, my hobbies still trace back creative-related.

I don't know, it is so frustrating and I just feel so lonely. Like the attitude of people changed when they found out about my online handle and such. I got to the point where I constantly wished death upon myself

This is just venting. My art isn't Godly good or anything, by my own standards it's mediocre at best. I have very few occasions where I were able to make artist friends, but they don't stick around and/or having opposite politics & philosophy.

My long term friend told me that she "valued" me because I am so "rare" and it'd be a waste to let me go (she was serious).
It was the final nail in the coffin for me.

I don't trust therapy but seriously this is harming so bad, I would never imagine a skill & career I've worked so hard to build would cause me to feel this way. Is the only way to save myself is to quit drawing entirely?

(Not sure if I wanted advice in this, I really wanted to let out my messy thoughts)
art in picrel by rosioire

No. 1005447

Does anyone know how I can speed up my drawing speed? I'm super slow (especially when it comes to line art) so if anyone can give me tips I'll be forever grateful!

No. 1005669

>>1005447
Practice and it will become muscle memory and you will draw faster with time. But also, give yourself time. Drawing isn't a race and there isn't a standard speed that you need to aim for. Be patient with yourself. Most artists spend hours and hours on a piece.

No. 1005803

>>1005304

I can't completely relate but man am I tired of everyone getting me a sketch book and graphite pencils for Xmas/birthdays, so I told people to not get me anything art related anymore. also left a relationship where he was pretty much gearing up to pimp out my art ~skillz~ by drawing nothing but brain rot stoner art.

I don't really tell people about my hobby unless they specifically ask about hobbies and depending on the energy they give off I'll tell them I draw.

No. 1005985

>>1005304
don't have any advice for you, i
just feel similar, it's difficult to make genuine friends the better you get at art/further into your career. non-artist friends can't relate to the job you do and artist friends can be a mixed bag with the rivalry and jealousy and dishonest ass-kissing

sometimes it's best to just focus on yourself. getting a pet definitely helps loneliness, it's better to have no friends than a dozen friends who aren't genuine and don't actually care about you as a person

No. 1006551

>>1005669
This. All artists are different, so there isn’t really a “standard” time to do things, but if you want to get faster at drawing you need practice. Becoming more confident in your work helps, but I’ve also found a website called Lineofaction to help not only to speed up the drawing process, but also help my anatomy, landscape, ect.

No. 1006665

how do you work up the inspiration to draw? im trying to draw more men, but my mind goes blank and i cant think of poses or compositions. they are so limited in all areas to me, fashion, nsfw poses, etc. im straight, but girls are so much more easier/fun to draw.

No. 1006786

>>1003915
Rivalry can promote healthy competition and growth, but you need to balance it out. You'd be better off following an artist you like whose style and such you want to emulate and study them from a distance. Don't focus too much on surpassing them because, after a point, that will become subjective; focus more technical confidence and your own end goal with art.

It's okay to have friends that you're mutual rivals with, but watch out for toxicity and obsessiveness. Art friends as rivals can turn out to be a supportive network where everyone wants to see everyone else win. This is an ideal setting, but not always possible. That's especially true with people who tend to reach out to other artists online, only to find themselves immersed in a toxic hugbox.

I apologize in advance if my post misses the point. I hope it helps, all the same!

No. 1006811

>>1006665
That has nil to do with being straight or not. You tend to have an easier time drawing your own gender because you can look at yourself for reference.
If you're looking for ideas for images make up stories about the character you indent to draw?

No. 1006858

any anons would like to use one of those "draw with friends" site? i'm pretty sure you can stay anon while drawing

No. 1007174

>>1003494
>I watch Ina and can admit that she's low energy and a little boring at times but yueko is somehow more boring with no personality added on top.
I mean, 11/13 of Yueko's "group" are artists so they blur together into TV static. Meanwhile all of Ina's EN friends are weird in a sense so her normalness works.

No. 1007251

>>1003915

I want to give a slightly different opinion than most that art rivalries can be great. I think it does push you to produce more and in turn possibly practice more but like other anons have said it can be very unhealthy and your art isn't perfect either. I say do it as long as it stays lighthearted. Never put yourself down for your progress too as we all start somewhere.

On the same note I guess, this girl from highschool who found some strange need to be oddly competitive with me would always trash talk my art and claim hers was better than mine. After highschool she became a shitty scratcher tattoo artist and some friends and I found her pinterest. Turns out she copied every single piece for her clients, so in return since we had each other on socials I would go to her tattoo board and reimagine all the pieces she had saved to trace and copy. I would post them on anything I had her on. She never posted any of those and deleted them off her board kek. In the long run I genuinely found an improvement in my art because it pushed me to do things I wouldnt have attempted before.

No. 1007326

>>997094
>I also hate that you can’t just have a neutral opinion or not care
speak for yourself

No. 1007441

>>1005304
I don’t get this, everyone in real life that I talk to could care less that I’m an artist and do it for a living. They only ask me about it on occasion to humor me. Furthermore, they’ve also acted “concerned” about me, but mostly because they all thought art was a fruitless starvation career.
Are you just referring to online people who only want to be your friend cause you draw?
I’m sorry anon, maybe this is something you’re struggling with but to me it sounds like a weird cope. I just find it so rare that anyone care that much about your pretty pictures (unless they are artists themselves trying to make a career out of it) Sure, it’s impressive and can even be useful at times but at the end of the day a pretty drawing is a drop in the bucket of media that exists and doesn’t do a great deal to affect society.

No. 1007469

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Is it just me or is this unimpressive

No. 1007478

>>1007469
I like it a lot and i hate you if u posted it so you could fish for compliments

No. 1007491

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>>1007469
I like fore-edge painting more. The arrangement of these books confuses me though - if you display them page-side out they’re in reverse order. If you display them spine out they’re in regular order but you can’t see the pages, and because of the way they painted it the art only looks good when they're on the shelf. Idk feels poorly thought out.

No. 1007494

>>1007469
Is this painted on the paper side of the Harry Potter books? Those book thicknesses seem familiar, and the painting seems like it could be intended to be a Scottish castle.
Probably wrecked the books though. The art is very Bob Ross but the idea is good, if it's a selfpost you should consider rebinding a set of books with your own artwork since you're halfway there with this.

No. 1007510

>>1007469
Yeah it's not horrible but it looks kinda shitty imo. The colors are muddy and there's very little contrast in the landscape in front so all the trees just sort of blend into eachother. It's a cool idea and the artist definitely has some talent but the execution is meh.

No. 1007511

>>1006665
I’m running into the same issue lol, I finally decided to learn how to draw men but while I do like the end result, the actual process doesn’t feel as fun. I think it might be a cultural thing, we’re used to seeing more women in creative poses and outfits than men, so that’s what our minds default to. That’s just my theory though.

No. 1007546

>>1007511
Women are just generally more fun to draw I think. They have more curves and you can draw a wide variety of different body shapes and proportions without it looking off, whereas men are more straight up and down and don't tend to vary as much body-wise. To me men are also just not as aesthetically pleasing as women. When I draw men I find that I often prefer to give them very worn down, wrinkled faces, just because it's less boring to draw I guess.
Whenever I doodle just for fun without any specific idea in mind or without intending to make a finished drawing, my first impulse is always to draw a woman. Sure, it's also because that's what I'm used to/best at, but also because it's just the most enjoyable to me.

No. 1007566

How should I save my drawings so that twitter does not compress them? I have no idea, pls help

No. 1007592

>>1007494
It’s from a vid i saw scroolling on fb, a tiktok famous artist called maisie who paints on books

No. 1007692

>>1007566
i don't think there is a way possible to not have twitter/facebook compress your images when uploading,since they're automatically compressed when posting to make the app and loading the images faster. only way i could think of to get around that is to do what some artists do and link instead to a website that contains just the image file so the high res image shows as a thumbnail in the tweet.

No. 1007894

>>1007566
I ran into this problem when I first started posting my art on twitter and I was so pissed when I uploaded all my .png art and it gets compressed to hell into a shitty artifacted .jpg. Only way around it is to export your art into a .jpg yourself, upload that, then upload a higher-quality version off-site (e.g. pixiv) and link that as your reply.

No. 1007916

>>1007566
If you pre-compress them in Photoshop or whatever you're using, twitter compression won't hit as hard, I always save a full res and a 1500px Low res file for social media posting. It's a good habit anyway to prevent people from right clicking and saving your art and printing it on their own, since on twitter it'll be at the original resolution you uploaded (just compressed quality and shittier looking). You can try different resolutions and see what looks the best if you have a private account to post with.

No. 1008027

>>1007916
gotta try this! Thank you and other anons. I actually saw some csp method on JP art twitter some months ago but of course I forgot to bookmark it

No. 1008037

Kinda random but have any of you nonnies ever decided to abandon your art style completely and start a new art account under a new name? It sounds very alluring to me and I want to know if other people have done it and if they stuck with it or if it was short lived. I don't think I'll delete my other account until I know this one is what I want. I'm not deleting for any reason other than in tired of my art style, not because I'm being harrassed and need a name change because of that.

No. 1008149

>>1005304
>>1007441

Personally even my weeb friends would just humor me when I mention my art - I said once on our Discord that a few of my pieces did really well on Twitter (+20k likes) and all of them just did a low-effort react on my message with no one even asking to see what it was that I drew. I've come to terms that they're far more interested in brainlessly posting their 1000th pet photo or gacha waifu than any sort of creative endeavor and now I mostly try to improve for my own self-satisfaction, fuck everyone else.

No. 1008153

What are some art niches to get easily into? Drawing for 2 Followers is kinda boring and demotivates me to the point where I don't enjoy my art anymore, also I just want to try out something new.

No. 1008172

>>1007566
PNGs under 901x901px don't get compressed

No. 1008253

>>1008153
If you're drawing to up your follower count, I guess an easier way would be to draw 'cute, sexy or casual' style fanart of whatever is popular at the moment.

No. 1008275

>>1008172
samefag, I just read that JPEGs also don't get compressed even exported with 100% quality if they're under 5MB and under 4096x4096px. I did some tests and can confirm it's true, as long as you're posting from your computer of course.

No. 1008297

>Small art discord of weebs from uni I recently graduated from
>really chill and encouraging
>Except one chick that attention whores by posting selfies and keeps bringing up 4chan (also weird support of loli art?)
>Art is honestly mediocre outside of alright rendering (I feel like the faces look gesugao/ahegao-ish all the time)
>I occasionally like her (non creepy) art or ask questions about it
>She will always enthusiastically comment when others post art and add emote
>Consistently ignores mine
Am I imagining the passive-aggressiveness?

No. 1008300

>>1008153
I'm confused, you want niche suggestions or what will get more followers? Obviously band wagonning popular fandoms like Genshin impact would be an easy way to do the latter.

No. 1008448

asked this in the stupid questions thread already so bear with me, but anons who have experience selling doujins or digital art on a marketplace, did you need to get a business license or seller's permit?

No. 1008465

>>1008037
I did this exactly. A few years ago I had an art page where I only drew traditionally with graphite pencils. Everything was black and white. Got bored, scrapped it and now I post my art on Twitter and it's colorful af, done completely digitally. I don't plan on ever linking my new art to my old art but I didn't have a lot of followers anyway so I'm sure no one is wondering where I went

No. 1008843

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>>1008153
HoloLive EN or Genshin but you'll soon realize that you'd rather have your ~4 drawings a month schedule and never rising than having IXY's schedule.

No. 1008926

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>>1008153
>>1008843

yeah hololive is pretty easy to get followers in. this guy has 14k followers and their art looks like this.

No. 1009036

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what does the nonas think of Devianart's fanart contests?
I remember there was a small shitstorm at one because only familiar faces won. But I don't know about the others

No. 1009039

>>1008926
Nayrt he mainly got popular because he keeps making reddit-tier comics for…reddit
>>1008153
Of all the suggestions I recommend Genshin or any currently popular gacha game, Blue Archive, etc whatevers popular. But Genshin is still the best pick because everyone plays it and spends their entire life on twitter. They'll eat any kind of art

No. 1009643

>>1008037
I’ve definitely thought about doing this but I don’t really know why. I’m not being harassed or anything either, but sometimes I just feel like shedding the old identity and starting again where no one who knows me can find me.

No. 1009759

>>1008300
Nayrt, and I get why people constantly suggest this but it just bothers me how this advice is the go-to for gaining followers. It feels like such a waste of time and energy if you don't actually like drawing the thing that's popular. And then people are only going to follow an artist for that. Unless your art is remarkably good, the audience you built up is going to drop you like a hot piece of shit the moment you draw anything different. Then you're back at square one anyway. I've seen too many artists draw shit like MLP and Genshin or whatever is popular when they don't even like or engage with the source material and it shows.

Then again if all you want is for your numbers to be bolstered, do whatever it takes to get you there.

No. 1009918

I'm the anon who asked for a niche/something to get an easy following. Thank you all for your suggestions.

Since some years I just can't draw for myself, it's just no fun for me anymore. The only thing that motivates me to draw is social media, that's why I asked for suggestions.

No. 1009993

>>1008037
If you're tired of the work you're producing and/or the things people associate you with, then by all means go for it. People have a hard time distancing artists from the things they've drawn in the past anyways, it's tiresome. So it's better and reasonable to want to start fresh because we don't always stay with the same interests and ambitions.

Changing your work can be difficult but it depends on how determined you are. Don't make it short lived.

No. 1010019

>>1009759

I actually use to do this all the time on twitter but once it was clear the exact same people were only faving my OC content, I decided to quit. It was clear people only follow you for only a select few things and not just the art in general.

No. 1010609

>>1009918
If you want to do this only for social media clout, better to abandon drawing entirely. You draw for yourself first and foremost

No. 1010680

>>1010609
Nta but I enjoy rendering, it's a calming activity for me, but I never have any ideas and don't care about art per se. I have considered making a twitter for posting just whatever flavour of the week fanart because it would give me an excuse to draw without stressing myself out over subject matter, at this point I only draw for friends for their birthdays and such but I'd love to draw more. I guess what I'm trying to say is not everyone is deeply passionate about art and just enjoy the process?

No. 1010938

>>1010609
nothing wrong with creating just for clout, what you say sounds like pretentious gatekeeping

No. 1011022

The next OP should include a bit on stating if you're a casual hobbyist/doing it for fun or if you're a serious hobbyist/aiming for pro whenever you ask a question because depending on your relationship with art the answer to your question can be wildly different.

>>1010938
NTA but I think she just meant if you don't draw for yourself to some degree (even when clout chasing) you're going to burn out and ruin the enjoyment of making art for yourself anyway. Common advice, actually, how'd you see it as pretentious gatekeeping? Kek

No. 1011038

Have any of you started an art tiktok? What was it like? How long did it take to grow? Have you gotten any extra sales?
I'm really thinking of making one but I'm not sure.

No. 1011040

>>1011038
oh!! my best friend got like 6k followers on her art account in one weekend posting her aot husbando fan art to popular tiktok audios. i’m not into the fandom side of arttok myself but i’m really impressed with the love she gets on her stuff. my boyfriend posts original animations there too and gets good traction depending on when he posts and has similar numbers to her now

No. 1011058

>>1010938
How does this sound like gatekeeping?

>>1009918
Well if you plan on making your art strictly business then make sure you have some kind of hobby on the side. Turning your only skill into a job can be soul draining.

No. 1011068

>>1010938
So quick to be defensive. Have you been called out for being a clout chaser before or something?

No. 1011734

>>1009918
>The only thing that motivates me to draw is social media
Not sure if you know this or not but clipping culture is free real estate for NUMBERS. If anything, being an artist locks you into having a dignified media tab for those people who have the bell turned on for you.

No. 1012333

I recently discovered buzzly and I'm interested to see if any anons here use it? It seems like it's a gallery space for hobbyists, like deviantart is, just without all the jankiness.

No. 1012395

>>1012333
>"oh that sounds neat"
>check it out
>it's all furries
The overall quality of the art is actually pretty good (for now) but the fact that 90% of its userbase is furries doesn't bode well. Thanks but no thanks anon.

No. 1012404

>>1012333
it looks good for hobbyists. right off the bat I'm turned off by the "featured artwork" tab, already putting in needless competition into an art website. One positive about insta and twitter is that there aren't featured artists. Yes there's an algorithm that plays favorites based on other factors, but there isn't this competitive vibe on the site based on art. I don't like how art websites feel the need to feature artists

No. 1012411

>>1012404
What would you consider the explore page? It's curated for you based on the posts you like/who you follow and shows you the most popular posts. So if you're an art page, you would always be being shown the most popular aka the featured art on your explore page.

No. 1012477

>>1012395
ayrt and yeah, I was hoping that it was mostly just because it was still small. Honestly I really feel you anon I can't get away from them either even on social medias, and I kinda hate it.

No. 1012528

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>>1012333
Meh, looks like a budget DeviantArt.

No. 1012725

>>1012528
furries ruin everything

No. 1012974

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LMAO

No. 1012985

>>1012974
This is the definition of complaining about stupid shit. Who cares about someone using their own style to draw a smaller nose. rofl People are insane

No. 1013014

>>1012974
This shit makes me want not watch any of those movies hyped for being culturally diverse/full of POC (that I haven't been already super interested in myself). It's like those retarded "if you do not reblog this you are a Nazi racist!!!" comments on Tumblr posts. I would watch that movie like any other, but when Twitterfags reduce it to muh representation and harass others for drawing the characters "wrong", it's repulsive.

No. 1013077

>>1012985
Nonnie, i'm pretty sure the QRT said that only because the original artist publicly dissed people who make smaller noses.

No. 1013118

>>1012985
>>1013077
I'm OP, sorry for not making it clearer but yeah the art in the reply is by the person complaining about shrunk noses, hence why the "are you dissing yourself?"

No. 1013216

>>1012974
I’m glad someone mentioned this, because I have seen MULTIPLE tweets against my will about how if you don’t draw the Encanto characters perfectly on model with the right colors/proportions then you are rascist. I know this kind of thing isn’t new, but it feels more personal because I related to the movie a lot, and all this policing about drawing things a certain way will probably make some artists avoid drawing fanart or watching the movie altogether. Fanart is supposed to be fun, why does it have to be scrutinized and meet an arbitrary standard so that it can exist? Jfc

No. 1013271

>>1012974
unrelated but am I the only one who finds disney characters creepy and uncanny? they look like miraculous ladybug characters now kek

No. 1013301

>>1013271
Yeah it looks bad

No. 1013346

>>1013271
all the female characters look like rapunzel/moana now

No. 1013408

>>1012974
are woketwittards suddenly forgetting that they're literally simping for a megacorporation's cashgrab or are they just that performative

No. 1013536

>>1013408
It's a good design. No one cares it's Disney.

No. 1013590

>>1013271
I personally really like how the characters in Encanto look. I don’t see the creepiness in the Disney style but I get why people poke fun at it

No. 1013666

>>1013536
>good design
she looks like Moana with an updo. Elsa with a perm. playdough skin lookin ass

No. 1013766

Does passive income like digital downloads or redbubble stores actually work? I can’t imagine people buying this stuff yet some artists say they make as much as hundreds from passive income.

No. 1013904

>>1013766
I make like 10 bucks a month, not enough to qualify for minimum payout for some monthly snack money. Granted, I'm selling Genshin stickers which is saturated like hell with stolen art so people probably hesitate. Out of all the Genshin designs I've put out, a dumb doodle I did in 5 minutes has been my bestseller ever since.

If you know how to draw normie mundane designs and churn a ton of them it might work. I did a bunch of succulents for shits and giggles in the sea of weeb animu shit and was surprised it's getting decent sales.

As for downloads, I've done some niche R18 artwork of male characters and gotten a few sales but that's it.

No. 1013949

>>1013216
agreed, a bit of millennial poc rant here.

I didn't watch the movie nor give a shit about adult disney being unhinged on twitter. All these dramas revolving fan arts (and fucking fandom) is incredibly discouraging for anyone wanting to create fanworks ever, especially if someone is poc is too used with the majority of media they grew up are euro-centric as fuck. It's just isolating as fuck whenever I (east-asian) want to draw something based on my own culture for self-appreciation, before some ~*native & white passing*~ in bio bitches come in and lecture about skin color or clothing patterns. Hell, I'm an artist. I can't imagine kids these days wanting to get into art, still at amateur level & having to abide these shitty ass rule about skin colors without learning proper lighting/shading first. I feel sorry for this generation of "progressive", the weird oppressive olympics they're playing is killing creativity itself.

No. 1013957

>>1013949
People bitch about artists only drawing attractive, inoffensive white people and nothing else but if they draw PoC people they get cancelled by Americans for either drawing them "too white" or "too stereotypical" or for accidentally adding something that could vaguely remind one of slavery and endorsing it. Constantly being afraid of the possible consequences of trying something different kills all creativity and willingness to experiment.

No. 1014094

>>1001599
super late, but pre-recorded classes on sites like Udemy and Class101 are only worth it if you have good self-direction. I think CG Spectrum and Schoolism are overall the best choices as far as specific schools go.
If you're interested and can pay for it, I'd advise to research the course you want and then research the instructor, their work, any podcasts or videos they have, and so on. Most of the instructors have free resources and free advice on the school sites too.
And if you're more introverted and/or don't have the chance or ability to actually be in good company with the right connections on your own, doing a mentorship is a great way to find and meet these people, and have direct feedback from them.

It's been the best choice I made for my own art and career, but it might not be for everyone.

No. 1014096

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>>1012974
This stupid bitch hasn't acknowledged her hypocrisy and it's so fucking infuriating how these attention whores just stir up shit and run. Good for the people laughing at them in the comments/qrts. And the amusing part is that it's mostly latinos doing it. I feel like more people are becoming aware of how much of a fucking joke these types are.

No. 1014102

I wish holly brown would make another video already




I also wish you guys would start talking about something interesting for once

The art talk is so positive but I came here for YouTube commentary.

No. 1014124

>>1013957
My thoughts exactly. That's why i only stick around fandoms with mainly white/pale skinned characters lmao, nobody, as of right now, has canceled me for not drawing enough peeohsee, even tho i wouldn't be surprised if this happens :(
There's actually quite a few characters that are dark skinned that i'd like to make fanart of, but i've seen too many artists get cancelled for not drawing them the way twiterrinas wanted, so i'm not risking that(:()

No. 1014178

>>1014094
I'm planning to use Schoolism this year, do you have any specific recommendations, anon?

No. 1014279

I'm considering buying a refurbished ipad pro 2018 along a 1st gen aple pencil. Any nonna drawing with these? Worth it or not?

No. 1014321

>>1012974
>>1014096
Nowadays, every movie with poc characters is just going to be used by wokesters to harass and cancel people, such a sad thing that my people and ethnicity are being used for woke witchhunts and blatant, souless cashgrabs

No. 1014325

>>1014279
i have this model and pen and i love them! highly recommend investing in a case with a kickstand or some kind of stand to place it in when you draw even if its a bit of an extra cost..worth it for the sake of your back and neck

No. 1014381

>>1014178
Really depends on what you specifically are into or looking to get into, but Nathan Fowkes has great fundamental courses.

No. 1014400

>>1014124
>That's why i only stick around fandoms with mainly white/pale skinned characters lmao
So… most of them?

No. 1014456

>>1014279

I use the 2020 iPad Pro and Procreate exclusively and have been pretty happy with it. I know some pros use Clip Studio but for some oddball reason it's a subscription model on the iPad rather than the one-and-done on PC and I can't afford that shit.

Also you might want to double check the compatibility, I don't think the first gen pencils work on the those iPad Pros.

No. 1014781

>>1013949
IMHO young artists and even grown artists need to get off twitter. There is no benefit to hanging around that hellhole unless you plan on making money from your art, and even then it's going to drain your soul. Just find a Discord group or something and share your art there, likes mean nothing and getting actual feedback on your art feels way better. Plus if you choose the right group you can avoid any and all 13 year olds with picrew icons ree-ing about stupid shit, which massively improves your mental health.

No. 1014951

>>1014781
(repost for typo) This. Once I started getting involved in artist discords, I stopped caring about likes and retweets and stopped pandering(was a desperate idiot teen LOL). I also improved and became more motivated as I started receiving feedback from honest and tangible people. Now social media is just where I throw art onto in case someone might enjoy it, not interacting with anything unless it is about art or fandoms I enjoy. Really, join an art Discord (but only the 18+ ones)

No. 1014988

>>1014951
How do you find good art discords? I've seen a few associated with some art youtubers and (except for one about 3D) they all were very circle-jerky around said artist + and no real feedback, just people ignoring newcomers and praising each other

No. 1015008

>>1014988
NTA but The Ethan Becker discord server is probably the best one I’ve been on so far. Currently people are ripping apart someone because they’re making every excuse under the sun to not make a comic he keeps daydreaming about. It doesn’t feel very circle jerky for me YMMV

https://discord.com/invite/ethanbecker

No. 1015064

>>1015008
I've been in Ethan's before, last I checked it's still full of meme teens and a bunch of circle jerkers whenever he holds an event. Like you said, ymmv, so it was a little off putting to me.
I'm in some smaller discord groups that have a pretty tight knit base with some artists I know. It's just my speed and I can confirm, it has helped me care less about arbitrary metrics like faves and likes.

I've been in a few that larger artists have made and you'd be surprised at how dead a lot of those servers can be.

No. 1015436

Is taking poses from other art to use as a reference stealing? I know this sounds like a stupid question but I keep seeing stupid takes.

No. 1015439

>>1015436
No, unless you're tracing the pose exactly. Even then its only "stealing" if you don't acknowledge that you traced the pose or are profiting off of it. It's not more stealing that photobashing would be, it's art and you can use any means to create what your heart wants. It's when you try and be shady about it that it becomes an issue.

No. 1015443

>>1015439
That’s what I figured. I was having issues finding a good reference for what I wanted (real people), so I was going to take 3d models and mimic the pose over the art so I can get what I want. It’s just for a friend for free so I figure it’d be fine but I had to ask.

No. 1015726

>>1013766
i make around 50-100 dollars a month from passive redbubble income. sales are really good around the holidays and i was able to buy my fam gifts with only redbubble money. theres nothing to lose by trying anon

No. 1015795

Translation: I’m not a real artist

No. 1015840

what's with artists saying to not QRT their art? i get not taking someones art and then reposting it on your own account because that takes away engagement from the artist's account but i don't get why a QRT would hurt when you can just click on the quoted tweet if you're so inclined?

No. 1015846

>>1015795
It blows my mind that there are proper who can't visualize stuff. You're just pulling from your own real world experience how can you not visualize anything? The quiz she linked was kind of bs also, I don't see how it could give accurate results. I feel like that sort of thing would be only more accurately be measured by a third party who asks you questions about the specificity of what you're visualizing.

No. 1015848

>>1015846
Samefag, I meant people**

No. 1015853

>>1015840
Got a great reason why because I get pissed off by it.

My boyfriend and I both have art accou ts. His is almost at 10k. Im at 300 people. I just started mine so I dont care about the low followers, makes sense.

When he QRTs anything I do instead of normally retweetibg it, I dont get those likes, HE does. Yes my post is boxed into his tweet, but those likes and replies are under HIS post. I don't get the attention and likes. I had one post where his QRT got 32 likes, my OP got 5 because of my following. Its feels like shit when its your work, but people want to like a more well known artists rtwts.

No. 1015856

>>1015846
I'm an artist and I can't visualise anything, I think creating art must tap into something else other than visual memory. However I think aphantasia isn't the whole picture; everyone dreams and that is your mind visualising and creating. I think aphantasia people (like myself) are just less connected to that visual dream state while awake, the other extreme is those who can visualise objects in front of them with eyes open and sober, it's just different ways of processing.

No. 1015863

>>1015856
That makes sense!

No. 1016033

>>1015840
Basically if you think about it, QRTs work in a similar way as reposting–except people are able to get to the right image easier.

Either way, the person who QRTs gets all the engagement whereas the original tweeter only gets the same IF and only IF people click on the original image and like it.

No. 1016102

>>1015856
May I redirect you to >>>/snow/
You don’t have aphantasia you just can’t draw.

No. 1016472

Humans have spent their entire existence deciphering the exact formula for what pleases people from an aesthetic standpoint and some dude named Joel is gonna break that mold to avoid working at costco.

No. 1016589

>>1016102
NTA but you sound retarded, how is her post snow worthy and why lack of visual imagination would mean inability to draw?

No. 1016660

Is HamletMachine a troon?

No. 1016686

>>1016660
Why this question ?

No. 1016947

>>1015795
>Every drawing of a human is a mugshot
>Why am I boxed in and unable to come up with something?
>>1015856
If you or Temi see yourself as uninspired then you really ought to mindlessly devour reference material until you can truly fake being inspired.

No. 1017325

>>1016686
Because I went back to their profile after forgetting about them for years and it just says "queer". I remember they used to LARP as a guy back in the day too.

No. 1017354

>>1017325
She probably decided to start LARPing as a he/him transman now since women drawing yaoi stuff is "problematic" unless the woman is pretending to be a gay man kek

No. 1017662

>>1017325
queer = spicy straight. she's been married/dating the same man for years. i feel like real bisexuals would just say they were bi, not queer. i don't recall her ever larping as a dude online though. she's probably calling herself queer because straight women aren't allowed to draw yaoi anymore

No. 1018411

>>1016660
idk for sure but I think she's just being vague about her sex to be more fashionable for new followers and the whole queer artist~ crowd without lying but not committed to trooning out because she's already too established and can't be bothered. but being a fujo is just not cool atm.

No. 1018904

>>1013536
>good design
Kek she looks like one of those shitty “pretty girl” pencil drawings in 2012 but as a 3d model

No. 1019471

>>1004305
I'm struggling to understand this post, who is cat? Why does he have 50k followers? Who is he?

No. 1019758

>>1019471
Cat aka CL207 is believed to be Yueko's boyfriend. He's also a hardcore NFT-bro. Anon is stating that her boyfriend may be responsible for getting Yueko into NFTs.

No. 1019893

>>1019471
CL is the face of egirl capital, a group of nft collectors/“crypto investors” and cryptobros latched onto him as a role model. Ironically, egirl capital as a whole group only has 2 Yueko nfts in their collection of ~70 nfts. They own more nyan cats than Yueko drawings kek.

No. 1020576

>>1019893
>knowing all that
sounds like you’re an nft artist too and that you’re malding because you aren’t as successful

No. 1020828

>>1020576
NTA but I also cyberstalk NFT collectors/investors to laugh at their cringe and just enjoy watching them burning money to the ground

No. 1020914

>>1015795
This is the absolute gayest most pathetic cope I see artists use these days. Twisted disaster also tried to claim that she was imagination blind or whatever it’s called.
It’s just “wow look at what an amazing runner I am, despite my legs being made out of spaghetti, arnt I absolutely remarkable, overcoming these -nonexistent- challenges?”

No. 1020917

>>1015853
There isn’t any difference between 32 and 5 likes on Instagram my poor little Nonnie, they are both an absolute nothing in the abyss of the social media algorithm. Why are you sweating over this?
If your bf only gets 32 likes on an image and bad 10k followers, something is surely wrong. That is terrible engagement, makes me wonder if he bought followers or did folllow-for-follow. I mean that is an incredibley shit ratio

No. 1020993

>>1020914
aphantasia is a real thing, but these mediocre artists use it as an excuse to why they suck at drawing without reference because all they know how to do is copy photos.

Sycra on youtube has aphantasia and he's talked about what he's done to overcome it to be able to draw from his imagination.

No. 1021364

>>1020917
anon, she’s talking about Twitter, where on Instagram can you quote retweet lmfao. and 32 likes on a quote retweet of a drawing is a decent amount. 32 likes on a normal tweet of a drawing is pretty bad (no offense op)

No. 1021376

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Secretnarcissist seems fine but there's something deeply unappealing about her art to me and I can't figure out what it is

No. 1021394

>>1021376
the slutty virgin trope is so boring and always smells like a massive cope. disgusting.

No. 1021416

>>1021376
Disgusting porny language and clothes?

No. 1021427

>>1021376
I hate that cartoony look. There’s so much artwork like this that looks kind of good because it’s digital and really clean but the base drawing is pretty lackluster. I hate the eyes and hair conjunction.

No. 1021517

>>1021376
It's probably the
>generic porny ""character design""
>nonsensical anatomy like the broken wrist, face not aligned with head, elongated torso and squashed pelvis.
>boring use of colors
>odd shading without a defined light source
>cringe asf subject matter overall

No. 1021537

>>1021517
yeah this looks like someone who learned to draw only from copying anime and has no idea how bodies actually physically work. trash.

No. 1021563

>>1021376
the hair barely makes sense and the eyes look like theyre drawn in italics

No. 1021610

>>1021364
This also involves the fact I dont do NSFW but he does, so Im not shocked his NSFW account followers didnt really like my SFW art. That's why even though is still small numbers, kind of hurts. He did this a few other times and I eventually had to tell him to stop QRT because it's not helping me even though he's trying to be helpful. His posts get 100s of likes and dizens of RTs usually, its just I don't make his content so his audience, except like 3 who followed me, don't care about anything that isn't slutty.

No. 1021633

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idk why she draws herself like this it seems like anime is all she knows

No. 1021639

>>1021376
>They seem fine but there's something unappealing about her art to me

Could it just be you don't like their art? Like you're allowed to just not find someone's art appealing… you don't have to list out every reason why you don't like it or try to dig for something wrong with it.

There are anatomy and coloring issues but nothing that is super terrible and scrolling through their twitter they actually seem like… normal?

No. 1021644

>>1021639
Was just thinking I like both examples. Hasbin Hotel has the same sort of anatomy, stretched torso, eyes.. Its just not anons cup of tea. I honestly don't see why anatomy matters in cartoon space imo. The squash and stetch in something that isnt realistic, is key.

No. 1021771

>>1021376
It's defenitelly not the worst art out there, and I can see why people would like it, but imo in a lot of her drawings she draws the face and head in a way that makes the forehead ridiculous small.
Also that bump in the middle of her torso is weird, I think in this case less would had been more.

No. 1021792

>>1021376
>smug anime face
>broken waist
>tattoo on the womb
It smells like catering to weebs to me, all her designs scream "uwu I'm smol and likes sex"

No. 1021836

>>1021644
because nonnies hate weeb pandering and think 100% realistic proportions is the height of being able to draw.

even though anatomy matters for the sake of it still looking correctly or having some sense of consistency even in a cartoon/anime space, for what the artwork is the anatomy isn't bad. Not the best but not the worst either, probably a 6/10. It's one of those things that come down to personal taste. nothing wrong with it and no need to dig for reasons why this person either has to be awful or their art has to be awful.

No. 1021913

Ive come across three artists ( all men) who asks for nude submissions and then they draw/study them. I find it a bit weird and most of the nudes they draw are from women.

No. 1021938

>>1014102
man when was the last time you came to these threads? 2018? holly has been irrelevant for a long time

No. 1021962

>>1021938
that anon just reminded me of when people here would jump on lavendertowne videos the second they were posted lmao

No. 1022108

>>1021913
what do you mean by nude submissions? from whom? I mean with nude models I'm sure they have their own ToS on using their photos (yes, even onlyFans), but otherwise I'm just confused what by you meant.

No. 1022114

>>1022108
Random people send faceless or non faceless nudes of themselves to these artists for them to draw

No. 1022126

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>>1021376
because it’s bad and they’re stylizing before they know anatomy. literally no appeal and the only reason she’s popular is because she’s a youtuber apparently

speaking of, why the fuck are popular YouTube coom pandering artists always so…. bad? another good example is squizxy, picrelated it’s repulsive to look at. at least popular coom artists who got their following through Twitter or other social media tend to be good at drawing even if you don’t like the subject matter

No. 1022146

>>1020576
nta you must be one of her simps or genuinely retarded because you can find that info with a few seconds of google or looking at the egirl site.

No. 1022236

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>>1022114
holyshit, I must be away from coomer artists for so long this is completely new to me. I don't use this word lightly but those male basically grooming their female audiences into sending them free nudes, how tf are these men getting away with it??

>>1022126
Completely agree with you anon, the bad art thread in /m/ sums up pretty well about western artists attempting to make hybrid of "cartoon but anime!!" by giving characters ugly exaggerated expressions with "anime" features like big eyes. Or those very try-hard attempts to emulate the Panty and Stocking style but failed horribly.

No. 1022261

>>1022236
Iirc manyakisart rotoscopes some submissions from female followers. The other two artists i remember just draws/studies them. Lmao i cant remember one of the artists but they had a post about it saying that they prefer it over nude models or whatever because its more meaningful/ beautiful and other random poetic words or something. Weird as shit in my opinion

No. 1022280

>>1021639
amen. I don't like that drawing and art style neither, and people are free to express whatever they wish here, but lately on social media there seem to be a sentiment of 'I don't like it, it should not exist'. You see it openly said whenever an artist is cancelled or something. "Oh I didn't like their art anyway, I'm glad they're gone". People just can't use a mute/block button.

No. 1022494

>>1022126
those lips are the ugliest thing i've seen in a while

No. 1022616

>>1022494
Ikr? I keep going back to it, and the whole face is godawful. It reminds me of those wannabe Steven universe artstyles that end up looking like a racist caricature

No. 1022776

>>1008037
i did this a few months ago and i'm a lot happier on my new account. unfortunately not a lot of people stick through you with style changes anyways so it's kind of refreshing to start new even if your engagement is lower at the beginning.
>>1008297
might just be a coincidence but why do you want validation from her? she doesn't sound like the kind of person to waste your time worrying about. also, she kind of seems like a cow, post art examples lol
>>1013766
redbubble honestly isn't worth it because of the small cut you get. it takes longer than you'd think to upload and resize designs, and even if you're one of the top selling designs for a fandom it isn't that much per month. it's honestly better to just make the merch yourself and sell a smaller amount.

No. 1022994

>>1021427
>There’s so much artwork like this that looks kind of good because it’s digital and really clean but the base drawing is pretty lackluster.

holy shit, this might've been obvious but i never considered this. when i see art that's super clean, my eyes just automatically love it if it has decent coloring, it's harder to see the bad anatomy at a glance like in >>1021376

with how fast people consume art nowadays (literal seconds) i can see why super clean, bright and saturated art is more popular. it's faster to read as "good", whereas something duller with textures can be drawn very well, but it won't catch your eye as fast as something bright and super digital

No. 1023269

Completely random rant here.

There's this artist I casually follow on instagram. Their art is fine for instagram standards and nice on the eyes. Recently they announced they had sent their portfolio for a professional job at a company, but had been rejected with a somewhat rude email that they claimed called their art immature and unprofessional (no clue if it actually did, they didn't show it, but it's not impossible). They ranted a while about how they knew they always used the same palete and drew a lot of fandom stuff, but it didn't mean their art was any less than other people that applied, yadah yadah.

Meanwhile, all I could think was, ''It's… it probably wasn't that…''. Like I said, the art is perfectly decent. But if you look at the whole thing overall it's just some women doing poses, some stuff from cartoons (no men in sight), not a lot of different perspectives, no characters interacting, all backgrounds are just patterns and there are a few objects and foods made for keychains and stickers. There isn't anything else. I'm sure everyone here gets the idea. It's not terrible but it's not amazing either.

And they kept ranting about it, until they abruptly deleted all the insta stories (no clue what was that about. Maybe they realized how someone important from the company might see it but it's just a conspiracy theory), and I just fell a weird mix of pity and annoyance.

No. 1023413

>>1023269
It’s because people are equating likes on social media to talent. This needs to fucking stop and not the uwu small artists can be good artists too shit, I mean like literally assuming that randos understand and can see real technical skill and you having 284858559 followers means shit about you as an artist. If it’s shiny shit normies will like it. Unfortunately shiny shit don’t fly in the industry, and people keep forgetting just because you can draw 3/4 faces of and “cool color palettes” with 1000+ likes doesn’t mean you are actually competent in art. These people have started and will probably end their art careers online - I think the trend of twitch streamers commissioning artists a lot for emotes or commissions for normies have gotten people mixed up with drawing for money = working for a professional studio that has a resume process and judges you on technical talent and artistry. Most of these Instagram and Twitter artists can’t even draw anything that looks like it lives in a 3D space or have never done real anatomy practices so their delusional ego is really funny. I think what pisses me off the most is these artists are so shit at art that they can’t even see how low their artistic and technical ability is, yet being spoonfed complimented by their stupid teenage followers has made them feel entitled to no criticism ever and they get butthurt by professional rejection.

No. 1023475

Do you delete your work after you post it and it gets 0 engagement? Usually if my post doesn't get engagement in a couple days I'll just delete it. Is there any point in keeping it up?

No. 1023477

>>1023269
No worthwile employer would give feedback like this so if the story is true she should be glad she dodged a bullet

No. 1023538

>>1023475
>Is there any point in keeping it up?
Many artists post their work for archiving purposes, portfolio or just to put their work out there because they're proud of it. If that doesn't apply to you and you just post for engagement then no there's no point, it's not going to improve your numbers or whatever.

No. 1023561

>>1023413
> shiny shit don’t fly in the industry
Except that it kinda does, or at least in western media. I mean, most shows today are the cartoon shit that everyone here complains about

>>1023475
Counter question: why take down the post because of a lack of engagement?
Personally, I post my art on whether or not I like it, not for the engagement. Is there a reason to get rid of a post that doesn’t receive as much attention?

No. 1023662

>>1023475
i never take them down bc i always feel sad whenever an artist deletes a piece i liked that got little attention. maybe that drawing you want to delete was someone's favorite without knowing

No. 1023673

>>1023475
i think deleting work that doesn't get the engagement you want is a bad habit. also the algorithm is fucked no matter which site you use so don't be discouraged when it doesn't get the attention you were expecting

No. 1023716

>>1023475
If keeping the post and seeing crickets engagement stresses you out, then go for it. I delete my old works frequently usually because I've lost interest in it & mostly don't want people to bring up my old fan arts to have a conversation with me.
As for anon encouraging keeping it for portfolio purpose, eh, just have a separate portfolio. Social media ain't shit. Audiences are sad because artists deleted their works? Should've saved the picture instead of just blindly retweeting it. Heh.

No. 1023848

>>1023662
>maybe that drawing you want to delete was someone's favorite without knowing
What a weird guiltrip. Personally, I draw for MY own personal satisfaction and growth. If i improve my skills and I'm no longer feeling a piece, or if i start to hate something because it's trash i made in one sitting overnight, why the fuck should I keep it up? If they like shit so much they can save it on their computers. I don't have to force myself to associate with past garbage just to avoid hurting randos feelings.

Same way around. If I take pride on something i enjoyed doing and it gets crickets, who cares. I like it? It reflects my self and my current skills well? It stays up.

No. 1023874

>>1023662
I do the same thing. If I'm going to delete a lot of old work I usually just give people some warning (so they can save whatever) and then do it. I've had too many people I like to follow for insp delete their entire galleries and vanish randomly, which is their prerogative and whatever, I just neurotically save their work now so I can personally look at it later.

No. 1023892

>>1023475
>Is there any point in keeping it up?
Yeah, it subliminally tells popular people that you are a down on your luck soul who needs one good thing to happen in life.
Find some semi-popular people to (regrettably) engage with and hope they feel like checking out your profile.

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>>1023892
> grifter behavior

No. 1023961

>>1023561
> Is there a reason to get rid of a post that doesn’t receive as much attention?
Anon here I didn't really know that people didn't post for that reason? In my head I figure if people don't like it, then there must be something about it that drives people away. And keeping it up might harm my ability to build my social media…?

No. 1024029

>>1023848
You sound like a bpdfag

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